**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 28 02:59:58 2013 Mar 28 06:42:18 * Snark is pondering... N7 or chromebook? Mar 28 08:25:59 two questions on the chromebook : is there somewhere documentation on how to get ubuntu *on* the device (not on a usb key)? Is it possible to let an SD card in it the whole time (like I do with the AC100)? Mar 28 08:26:43 I have never seen documented how to put ubuntu on the mmc, and I have read (can't remember where) that the SD card was really sticking out when put in, so can't really be left there Mar 28 10:24:52 Snark: ac100 uses sdcard or usb stick for _intallation_ afterwards ubuntu is installed on to normal partitions..... Mar 28 10:25:23 some devices do limit one which places it can boot from, so a panda can only do usb on the go boot or boot from sd card. Mar 28 10:27:10 xnox: you can also install to external on the ac100 Mar 28 10:27:24 from usb to sd or vice versa Mar 28 10:35:05 no, there is a bug :) Mar 28 10:35:21 you can install to usb from SD, but not the other way round Mar 28 10:36:14 Snark, look for the chrubuntu scripts, i have ubuntu on the internal MMC on my chromebook ... they resized the system partition to make room for it so i have a parallel install Mar 28 10:37:11 (i think hrw did the same initially on his) Mar 28 10:37:40 yes Mar 28 10:38:08 i'm pondering to get http://eu.apacer.com/products/AH152 for a re-install though Mar 28 10:38:28 doesnt stick out to much and should be faster than the MMC Mar 28 10:38:40 (or any SD card) Mar 28 10:39:01 ogra_: price? Mar 28 10:39:26 dunno, i still havent found a european shop that sells it ... should be below $30 Mar 28 10:40:16 its not as fast as it could be, but stilll gets you around 60MB/s for reading and around 80 for writing Mar 28 10:40:59 err, other way rouond Mar 28 10:41:10 80 for readfing, 60 for writing Mar 28 10:41:48 (write speed doesnt concern me to much with 2G of ram though ... i just want fast reads) Mar 28 10:52:03 I use external hdd on usb3 port Mar 28 10:53:27 i dont like to have something hanging off the device .... and long USB sticks are to dangerous ... they easily turn into levers that open your case Mar 28 10:54:01 ogra_: I use that hdd only at home Mar 28 10:54:20 ogra_: chromebook -> usb3 hub -> {usb3 hdd, usb2 eth} Mar 28 10:54:22 yeah, not really a good idea if you want to put the OS on it :) Mar 28 10:54:40 and still take the laptop with you Mar 28 10:55:23 10.5GB on internal is enough Mar 28 10:56:18 yeah, its not the size, its the speed :) Mar 28 10:57:02 i'm fine with carrying data on SD ... but i want the OS to be snappy Mar 28 10:57:21 ogra_: wasn't emmc 50-60MB/s? Mar 28 10:57:24 or snappier ... Mar 28 10:59:37 ogra_, I need more room -- I have about 10G which I need to have quite accessible (slow isn't a problem) Mar 28 11:00:00 hrw, 34MB/s according to hdparm Mar 28 11:00:12 (and according to dd tests) Mar 28 11:00:18 add to that the system and the sage installation on a reasonably fast "disk" (mmc) Mar 28 11:00:22 ogra_: enough for me Mar 28 11:00:58 Snark, well, add a 32G SD card then Mar 28 11:01:14 ogra_, it must not stick out too much Mar 28 11:01:18 or get such a tiny USB key ... 2.0 ones are easy to get Mar 28 11:01:39 if you dont care about speed, 2.0 ones are all around Mar 28 11:02:40 http://the-gadgeteer.com/2010/08/12/worlds-smallest-micro-sdhc-usb-card-reader/ Mar 28 11:02:42 get one of these :) Mar 28 11:03:04 ogra_: usb2.0 card readers are fine with today's 'fast' sd cards Mar 28 11:03:17 my 32GB samsung microsd does just 19MB/s Mar 28 11:03:28 yeah Mar 28 11:03:32 nevermind sd slot or usb2 port Mar 28 11:03:41 I don't need very fast on that part of the data Mar 28 11:03:49 if you dont care about speed thats definitelty fine Mar 28 11:05:11 ogra_, ok, that leaves the question on kicking chromeos out of the device and have only ubuntu Mar 28 11:05:36 (and a solution where hitting space at the wrong moment won't destroy the system) Mar 28 11:05:48 hitting space ? Mar 28 11:05:57 ogra_: instead of ctrl-d Mar 28 11:06:01 ah Mar 28 11:06:09 i doubt thats easily fixable Mar 28 11:06:10 ogra_: press space and devmode will be off Mar 28 11:06:19 yeah, i remember Mar 28 11:06:23 never happened to me Mar 28 11:06:25 Snark: are you brave enough and have 249$ spare? Mar 28 11:07:00 u-boot can be reflashed Mar 28 11:07:11 that bright white bootscreen is so heavily in your face, i doubt you will hit space accidentially **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 28 11:23:01 2013 Mar 28 11:23:27 you know... I feel that I should finally update chromebook packages in ubuntu... Mar 28 11:23:27 but laziness wins Mar 28 11:24:33 hrw, well, i feel like i finally should make flas-kernel work ... but laziness wins too here Mar 28 11:24:49 (though the oopses on boot wi5th the std kernel actually annoy me) Mar 28 11:24:55 ogra_: flash-kernel for chromebook? Mar 28 11:25:00 indeed Mar 28 11:25:16 to just install a packaged kernel without hassle Mar 28 11:25:23 ogra_: I think we need first to switch to chainloaded uboot Mar 28 11:25:32 why ? Mar 28 11:25:32 so no signing of kernels etc Mar 28 11:25:46 you packaged the signing tools, didnt you ? Mar 28 11:25:56 ogra_: now you need /etc/default/chromebook-cmdline file Mar 28 11:26:07 thats fine Mar 28 11:26:07 ogra_: and they are stuck in Debian NEW for >month Mar 28 11:26:12 f-k can ship a default Mar 28 11:26:23 ogra_: there is no such thing as default Mar 28 11:26:40 well, nothing blocks us of going ahead and pulling them into ubuntu first Mar 28 11:26:50 default is p2 on sd? p2 on usb? p7 on emmc/sd/usb? Mar 28 11:27:02 there is a default in /proc/cmdline, no ? Mar 28 11:27:06 no Mar 28 11:27:16 ach, that way Mar 28 11:27:25 check how you booted and reuse? Mar 28 11:27:28 ogra@chromebook:~$ cat /proc/cmdline Mar 28 11:27:28 cros_secure console= console=tty1 debug verbose root=/dev/mmcblk0p7 rootwait rw Mar 28 11:28:11 just adjust if needed ... else just dump it into the default **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 28 11:31:15 2013 Mar 28 11:36:27 * ogra_ wonders why these global notices never go into the channel i'm current;y in Mar 28 12:28:22 hrw, 249$ translates to 299€, don't you know? But yes, I'm brave enough: if I buy remote, I have seven days to change my mind ;-) Mar 28 12:28:49 Snark: or to 229GBP Mar 28 12:29:04 Snark: you can flash own u-boot. but no instructions from me. Mar 28 12:31:01 eh, if I have no instructions from anyone, I can't do that Mar 28 12:41:38 hrw, is there some documentation somewhere of a similar... uh... hack on another type of computer Mar 28 12:41:41 ? Mar 28 12:47:54 eh... the space bar problem is not on each suspend+resume but only on bootup, right? Mar 28 12:52:32 right Mar 28 13:13:42 ogra_: does your omap3 ubuntu-server 12.04 image for beagleboard-xm include firewall/firewall setting? Mar 28 13:13:48 how can I check it? Mar 28 13:13:54 if it has or not Mar 28 13:16:39 * Snark really wonders what he should buy Mar 28 13:16:45 :-/ Mar 28 13:17:32 angs, ubuntu doesn not use any firewalls by default Mar 28 13:17:53 ogra_, thank you Mar 28 13:18:17 angs, but ufw is available (and iptables (which is the backenmd for ufw) shoudl eb enabled in the kernel) in case you are paranoid ... Mar 28 13:18:59 usually you dont need any firefalling since there are no ports open by default, they only get opened once you install the respective package (i.e. a webserver to open port 80) Mar 28 13:19:03 no I am having a network problem, I was wondering if there is any firewall setting or so that causes problem. Mar 28 13:19:09 nope Mar 28 13:19:56 thank you Mar 28 13:24:17 hmm Mar 28 13:24:20 http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451&tab_idx=1 Mar 28 13:25:54 infinity, ^^^ landa replacements ? Mar 28 13:25:57 *panda Mar 28 15:16:26 ogra_: No. We're getting real server kit. Mar 28 15:16:41 ah, good Mar 28 15:16:46 in 2020 ? Mar 28 15:17:07 Soon, if all goes well. :/ Mar 28 15:17:17 heh ... soon ... Mar 28 15:43:06 is the ath9k_htc driver on ubuntu-server released by Atheros or developed by open source committee? Mar 28 15:51:02 angs: It's in the upstream kernel source. Mar 28 15:52:17 infinity, I don't know much about kernels, do you know if the source is developed by Atheros? Mar 28 15:52:25 source of ath9k_htc Mar 28 15:54:19 angs: Atheros participates, but you asked if it was "by open source committee", and it being upstream means "yes". Mar 28 15:54:45 angs: Atheros donated the original source, and continues to contribute, but they're not the only contributors. Mar 28 15:55:07 infinity, I got it now, thank you Mar 28 15:56:05 I have a usb dongle that has atheros chipset, is the driver version as same as kernel version? Mar 28 16:09:57 s/committee/community/ makes more sense =) Mar 28 16:35:32 communitee Mar 28 17:25:39 have a nice Easter/weekend guys Mar 28 17:26:24 hrw, you too ... and i wish you big eggs and all ... Mar 28 17:26:29 (or so ... ) Mar 28 17:26:48 ogra_: I go to Saarbrucken, DE for demoscene party Mar 28 17:26:59 oh, with your daughter ? Mar 28 17:27:06 alone Mar 28 17:27:12 poor girl ... Mar 28 17:27:14 we stays with Ania Mar 28 17:27:36 by Mar 28 17:27:37 e Mar 28 17:27:39 ciao Mar 28 17:27:44 and enjoy :) Mar 28 17:40:30 hi. I would like to run an Ubuntu ARM server inside qemu on my amd64 laptop. I wonder if there was any way to get the ubuntu-installer from http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/raring/main/installer-armhf/current/images/ started in a similar way to the installer on i386 Mar 28 17:40:32 in my experiments, I always ended up with a black screen. is there some documentation what kernel parameters I need to pass, so that I get something on the serial console? Mar 28 18:50:33 was having issues with bug #1159890. but now ubuiquity freezes solid at "Installing libdvdnav4". no mouse no keyboard. pandaboard ES todays image. Mar 28 18:50:34 Launchpad bug 1159890 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "omapdss SPI error: could not enable display: no manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1159890 Mar 28 18:51:41 now the question would be why do we install libdvdnav4 at all :) Mar 28 18:52:14 sounds a bit like a kernel issue with USB though Mar 28 18:53:41 ok i will try again tomorrow i guess, crosses fingers. thanks ogra_ Mar 28 18:54:19 well, we dont touch these images for raring (in fact we were about to drop that flavour completely ...) i'll do a test myself after easter ... Mar 28 18:54:48 theroetically the kernel and setup is identical to quantal Mar 28 18:55:06 just with updated package versions ... Mar 28 18:55:17 (for the desktop) Mar 28 18:55:18 do you mean omap4-armhf will be dropped? sad panda is sad. Mar 28 18:55:32 panda has been killed by TI Mar 28 18:55:40 oh i see Mar 28 18:55:49 like ... they fired ~500 ppl Mar 28 18:55:57 yikes! Mar 28 18:55:59 everyone working on panda and mobile OMAP Mar 28 18:56:07 We'll probably drop the desktop images, we won't drop Panda kernel support (the new -generic kernel supports Panda as well) Mar 28 18:56:18 infinity, nope, we wont Mar 28 18:56:19 But without PVR GLES drivers, we can't support the desktop. Mar 28 18:56:32 ogra_: We won't what? Mar 28 18:56:40 after much back and forth we will keep desktop with quantal kernel as unsupported images Mar 28 18:56:56 ogra_: I meant "in the future", not this release. Mar 28 18:57:03 ah, yeah Mar 28 18:57:04 ogra_: I know what the plan is for this release. Mar 28 18:57:11 they will go away first thing in S Mar 28 18:57:17 ok, i wasnt sure Mar 28 18:57:29 because the plan changed every hour for the last weeks Mar 28 18:57:32 But even in S, Panda will still have kernel support, just no desktop support, due to the pvr-omap mess. Mar 28 18:57:47 right, it should be -generic and server images Mar 28 18:58:12 Also, the rumours of the death of OMAP are greatly exaggerated, according to every TI person I talked to at Connect. Mar 28 18:58:23 So, try not to spread too much misinformation. Mar 28 18:58:25 heh, OMAP in mobile is dead Mar 28 18:58:33 They switched OMAP focus away from mobile, yes. Mar 28 18:58:37 and all mobile engineers are gone Mar 28 18:58:45 But it's still very much alive. Just not for phones, tablets, etc. Mar 28 18:58:50 right Mar 28 18:59:06 well, i'm just echoing theoir press releases Mar 28 18:59:21 so should i keep panda and run android or just retire it? Mar 28 18:59:26 if their marketing makes a mess dont make me responsible :) Mar 28 18:59:38 jimerickson: Android will have the same issues. Mar 28 18:59:43 right Mar 28 18:59:45 oh ok Mar 28 18:59:51 jimerickson, you can still test server Mar 28 19:00:03 and use it if you ever plan to build arm packages Mar 28 19:00:09 alright Mar 28 19:00:18 They're fine little headless machines still. But 3D acceleration on desktop Linux and Android will be harder to come by. Mar 28 19:01:00 indeed they are. still sad though. Mar 28 19:04:43 alright i suppose i will switch to a raspberrypi and run raspian. thats a topic for a different channel though ;) Mar 28 19:05:05 well, you coudl use ubuntu touch on some old phone :) Mar 28 19:05:49 (or on a nexus7) Mar 28 19:06:17 ubuntu-touch is becoming the new ubuntu-arm-desktop Mar 28 19:07:40 does ubuntu on n7 use the gpu/ opengl Mar 28 19:07:47 yes Mar 28 19:07:48 ubuntu-arm desktop that is Mar 28 19:08:04 it uses the binary tegra3 Xorg driver Mar 28 19:08:20 has anyone here had dual-boot working? Mar 28 19:08:38 (android/ubuntu) Mar 28 19:08:41 some people do, we dont encourage it though Mar 28 19:09:02 since we dont really test with it and might just wipe your android accidentially Mar 28 19:09:10 * tassadar_ raises his hand Mar 28 19:09:28 right, talk to tassadar_, he'S the dual boot guru :) Mar 28 19:09:58 i'm using my n7 as an android development target, however one reason i bought an n7 was seeing the ubuntu support Mar 28 19:10:23 well, long term the ubuntu-desktop image for it will turn into ubuntu-touch .... Mar 28 19:10:36 which means it will run an android/ubuntu hybrid core Mar 28 19:10:55 will you still be able to enable the desktop on a touch device (like in win8) Mar 28 19:11:08 i know it wont be optimal Mar 28 19:11:22 we will definitely have the convergence stuff some point after 13.10 Mar 28 19:11:37 so that it runs the desktop once you dock it Mar 28 19:11:44 it's soo unfortunate that n7 does not have hdmi :/ Mar 28 19:11:57 but i doubt that you will be able to for example dual boot ... Mar 28 19:12:10 since the partitioning will be changed etc etc Mar 28 19:12:18 i guess when everything is inplace you'll less want to Mar 28 19:12:24 yeah :) Mar 28 19:12:35 but i would definitely want to be able to bring up the desktop even without docking Mar 28 19:12:51 I still wonder how do you plan to repartition n7 Oo Mar 28 19:12:56 that might work once the desktop was moved to QML Mar 28 19:13:36 one thing i'm after is a Synergy client on tablet devices - to extend 'workspace' from my laptop.. Mar 28 19:13:44 the next big change on touch will be the switch to Mir ... with that you will have to have Mir compatible toolkits Mar 28 19:14:40 (and will lose Xorg support until XMir exists ... which is a target for the desktop but not for touch atm ... so it wont be there immediately) Mar 28 19:15:00 is there a website / wiki describing all this Mar 28 19:15:04 some roadmap plans.. Mar 28 19:15:13 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec?action=show&redirect=MirSpec#Mir_Today Mar 28 19:17:12 mir is like wayland? Mar 28 19:17:29 kind of ... but totally different :) Mar 28 19:18:45 they will be able to use the same drivers in the end ... and have a similar but slightly different protocol ... but for example the input layer will be a totally different thing in Mir ... Mar 28 19:19:24 and Mir is currently using android drivers, Wayland completely dropped android support plans Mar 28 19:19:45 for more details ask in #ubuntu-mir :) Mar 28 19:19:45 mir is for androiid AND x86 pcs? Mar 28 19:19:49 yes Mar 28 19:20:26 is this somethiing that has partial implementations now that you can experiment with Mar 28 19:20:34 well it is for ubuntu touch and PCs :) Mar 28 19:20:43 ubuntu touch just happens to use android drivers Mar 28 19:21:05 ask in #ubuntu-mir ... i think they are working on N7 support right now Mar 28 19:21:31 since N7 and N4 will be the first devices using it Mar 28 23:40:39 it can show pretty 3D cats now =) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjb8a8ISKWY Mar 28 23:46:17 is there an older.dist that will work on arm v6? Mar 28 23:48:15 ´ Mar 28 23:49:12 Limited support for earlier instruction sets (ARMv5t, ARMv6) was available in early releases of the ARM port (jaunty, karmic). Mar 28 23:49:20 from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM Mar 28 23:58:07 I have configurations on /etc/network/interfaces, on each boot I get this outputs Waiting for network configuration... Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration... that causes 2 min delay on each boot. how can I skip this message on the boot without deleting /etc/network/interface settings? Mar 29 00:05:36 angs: Don't set interfaces to "auto" that can't be configured on boot? Mar 29 00:13:26 infinity, I removed all auto interfaces, but it still stucks on the boot for the network configurations Mar 29 00:19:18 what file do I need to edit on /boot to be able set buddy=spidev on the kernel command-line. here is my /boot directory http://pastebin.com/UkB4UFVT Mar 29 02:08:39 I get such connection error http://pastebin.com/fxRQzthg while I am trying to apt-get install or update, how can I fix it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 29 02:59:59 2013