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Apr 10 10:05:08 <jP_wanN> hello
Apr 10 10:05:25 <jP_wanN> is this the right place to ask something about the ubuntu-android project?
Apr 10 10:05:49 <ogra_`> well, ask and we'll see
Apr 10 10:07:27 <jP_wanN> it's about the OUYA. That's a new android-based console. I wanted to know whether Ubuntu android could run on there
Apr 10 10:07:28 <jP_wanN> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouya
Apr 10 10:08:42 <jP_wanN> a friend of mine got positive feedback from the OUYA CEO about a partnership with canonical.
Apr 10 10:08:54 <jP_wanN> http://forums.ouya.tv/discussion/646/ubuntu-for-ouya
Apr 10 10:09:13 <jP_wanN> but we didn't get any response when writing to canonical via mail
Apr 10 10:18:16 <kulve> why ubuntu-android? Why not plain android?
Apr 10 10:18:20 <kulve> argh
Apr 10 10:18:24 <kulve> why ubuntu-android? Why not plain ubuntu?
Apr 10 10:21:27 <ogra_`> jP_wanN, well, would you want to have "ubuntu for android" which essentially acts like an app ... or would you want to actually run ubuntu (whouch would be Ubuntu Touch, which also is android based but a full OS)
Apr 10 10:22:25 <ogra_`> while there is the opportunity to run a plain ubuntu as well, with the switch to Mir you really want ubuntu touch on such a device (unless you want to run it as a plain server)
Apr 10 10:22:55 <kulve> why not X.Org?
Apr 10 10:23:04 <jP_wanN> well, I'll definitely try to install normal ubuntu on it as soon as I have a console to play with
Apr 10 10:23:30 <jP_wanN> but the question was about running ubuntu as an app within the preinstalled system
Apr 10 10:24:07 <ogra_`> right, thats ubuntu for android ... which is actually depending on the manufacturer talking to canonical directly
Apr 10 10:25:11 <jP_wanN> okay, thanks for the information
Apr 10 10:25:50 <jP_wanN> but is there a way to install ubuntu for android on an existing system?
Apr 10 10:26:10 <ogra_`> there are no public images for it
Apr 10 10:26:13 <jP_wanN> I know it is officially only possible to have it preinstalled
Apr 10 10:26:26 <ogra_`> so no ... there isnt
Apr 10 10:27:08 <ogra_`> it needs pretty close system integration, so canonical requires collaboration from the manufacturer for this
Apr 10 10:27:33 <ogra_`> i guess ubuntu touch is your best bet
Apr 10 10:27:53 <ogra_`> and i'm sure as soon as the first ouyas show up in the wild at developer desks someone will port it
Apr 10 10:28:03 <jP_wanN> well, the OUYA team supports hacking the device (not that sure what's about the guarantee)
Apr 10 10:28:06 <ogra_`> porting UTouch is pretty trivial
Apr 10 10:28:17 <jP_wanN> well, not the downloading part :D
Apr 10 10:28:17 <ogra_`> took me a weekend to port it to my galays S2
Apr 10 10:28:25 <jP_wanN> cool thing
Apr 10 10:28:29 <jP_wanN> I'll ask you again
Apr 10 10:28:32 <jP_wanN> about something else
Apr 10 10:28:39 <jP_wanN> but first, about the ouya
Apr 10 10:29:15 <ogra_`> kulve, xorg drivers suck ... Mir can make use of the existing android GL drivers
Apr 10 10:29:53 <jP_wanN> if there were official images, it would be possible to replace the existing system with an android build with ubuntu android, right?
Apr 10 10:31:13 <ogra_`> right
Apr 10 10:31:18 <jP_wanN> okay
Apr 10 10:32:18 <jP_wanN> well than the main thing to get ubuntu android on the current version of OUYA is probably to wait for images
Apr 10 10:32:35 <jP_wanN> but now about porting ubuntu touch
Apr 10 10:32:46 <ogra_`> the ouya should be pretty close to the nexus7 HW wise ...
Apr 10 10:33:06 <ogra_`> you couold use the nexus7 desktop image on it with slight modifications i guess
Apr 10 10:33:27 <jP_wanN> ubuntu touch on OUYA is something I'll face somewhen else
Apr 10 10:33:36 <jP_wanN> but I've got an Sony Xperia Sola on which I want to install ubuntu touch
Apr 10 10:34:26 <jP_wanN> actually I only bought it to try ubuntu touch on it
Apr 10 10:35:11 <jP_wanN> it's the only smartphone with good enough HW for ubuntu touch, a microSD slot and less than 4" display width
Apr 10 10:35:17 <ogra_`> well, if it isnt on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices yet ... you will have to port it yourself
Apr 10 10:35:25 <jP_wanN> yes, I know
Apr 10 10:35:37 <ogra_`> (there is also the #ubuntu-touch channel btw)
Apr 10 10:35:47 <jP_wanN> but my internet connection is so slow, I'll let a friend download those 15GB sources :D
Apr 10 10:35:54 <ogra_`> :)
Apr 10 10:35:56 <jP_wanN> okay
Apr 10 10:36:00 <ogra_`> yeah, its a bit painful
Apr 10 10:36:23 <ogra_`> i left it suckling over a weekend here ... that worked fine
Apr 10 10:36:35 <jP_wanN> I read that Ubuntu Touch uses some parts of cyanogenmod
Apr 10 10:36:40 <ogra_`> yup
Apr 10 10:36:55 <ogra_`> kernel, drivers and the hardware abstraction layer
Apr 10 10:37:04 <jP_wanN> could I get into trouble because the Xperia Sola is not supported by cyanogenmod?
Apr 10 10:37:09 <ogra_`> on top of that you have a normal ubuntu rootfs
Apr 10 10:37:36 <ogra_`> you would have to port it to CM first ... or find an unofficial CM 10.1 port, yes
Apr 10 10:37:51 <jP_wanN> sounds a lot of fun ^^°
Apr 10 10:38:07 <ogra_`> heh
Apr 10 10:38:13 <jP_wanN> but probably I don't have to do that
Apr 10 10:38:21 <jP_wanN> there is an unofficial port
Apr 10 10:38:23 <jP_wanN> http://freexperiaproject.com/
Apr 10 10:38:41 <jP_wanN> but I don't know for which CM version
Apr 10 10:38:54 <jP_wanN> oh found it
Apr 10 10:38:57 <jP_wanN> only v 9
Apr 10 10:39:14 <jP_wanN> well that'll take some time I think
Apr 10 10:39:16 <jP_wanN> but thanks :)
Apr 10 10:39:56 <ogra_`> good luck :)
Apr 10 12:43:18 <marvin24> janimo`: I failed to upload a kernel package to launchpad due to version name problems
Apr 10 12:43:26 <marvin24> I put an archive of the source package to http://tinyurl.com/c9hwg3u
Apr 10 12:43:47 <marvin24> there's nothing more I can do I guess :-(
Apr 10 13:40:59 <ogra_> marvin24, did you try to delete the old upload first ?
Apr 10 13:41:10 <ogra_> that should theretically work
Apr 10 14:00:03 <marvin24> ogra_: I couldn't
Apr 10 14:00:12 <marvin24> it is not shown on the delete page
Apr 10 14:00:23 <ogra_> you own the PPA, you should be able to
Apr 10 14:00:30 <marvin24> also launchpad forbits pushing the same version twice
Apr 10 14:00:56 <marvin24> ogra_: yes, this could work though
Apr 10 14:01:05 <marvin24> will try later again
Apr 10 14:01:10 <ogra_> ++
Apr 10 14:01:14 <ogra_> tell me if it doesnt
Apr 10 14:01:25 <ogra_> i think i used that way in the past and it used to work
Apr 10 14:55:07 <marvin24> ok, uploading ...
Apr 10 14:55:31 <marvin24> I guess that's why there is a "UNRELEASED" tag in the changes files instead of the disto name
Apr 10 14:57:13 <ogra_> well, thats to prevent you from accidentially uploading something unfinished
Apr 10 15:14:29 <marvin24> ah, so I cannot upload such a package - I thought that it will just not be published
Apr 10 15:14:45 <ogra_> it will reject it (or should at least)
Apr 10 15:17:57 <marvin24> so how to check if a package actually builds on launchpad without wasting a precious version number?
Apr 10 15:18:05 <marvin24> ok, personal ppa
Apr 10 15:19:42 <marvin24> arr, need to enable armhf on personal ppa
Apr 10 15:20:06 <ogra_> well, one mail
Apr 10 15:20:34 <marvin24> to czajkowski ?
Apr 10 15:20:47 <ogra_> yeah, i think so
Apr 10 15:21:21 <marvin24> ah, last time I did it via questions interface
Apr 10 15:22:25 <ogra_> yeah, that should work too
Apr 10 15:22:34 <ogra_> but might help to ping here as well
Apr 10 15:22:37 <ogra_> *her
Apr 10 19:30:37 <rookie2030> hi everybody
Apr 10 19:32:06 <rookie2030> its possible to connect in one eth port the router cable with DHCP and the other eth port the cable to PC and have the same IP
Apr 10 19:35:37 <rookie2030> i have a dreamplug
Apr 10 19:35:43 <rookie2030> with 2 ports ethernet
Apr 10 19:45:46 <rookie2030> I have a sheeva plug with 2 ethernet port and i need to connect one port to internet and the other port to my computer its possible to do in linux
Apr 10 19:46:47 <rookie2030> uses as physical link but i need to use the sheeva plug
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