**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 18 03:00:00 2013 Sep 18 14:39:10 Do you have any estimates on how many (relatively) of the software packages of Ubuntu 12.04 AMD64 are available also for the ARM version? For example, are JDK and Scala available for Ubunut on ARM? Sep 18 14:39:42 TempUser: almost everything is available on ARM. Sep 18 14:40:27 rbasak: Thanks. What is your impression of what is _not_ available? Sep 18 14:40:34 * ogra would say between 80-95% Sep 18 14:40:53 TempUser: mostly obscure packages that few people use. When I look at them, I generally don't recognise any of them. Sep 18 14:40:58 things that are hard to port ... like freepascal ... and packages depending on it for example Sep 18 14:41:19 they are usually the rare cornercase ones Sep 18 14:47:13 Do you know where I can get a list of what packages are available? Sep 18 14:48:04 TempUser: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/binary-armhf/Packages.gz Sep 18 14:48:08 Also s/main/universe/ Sep 18 14:49:41 TempUser: packages.ubuntu.com Sep 18 14:50:16 k1l: unfortunately packages.u.c doesn't include arm for some reason Sep 18 14:50:40 k1l, doesnt have ports arches Sep 18 14:50:56 rbasak: you are right. i didnt look in which channel that question was raised. Sep 18 14:51:11 TempUser: don't forget universe, otherwise you'll miss many packages Sep 18 14:51:50 but overall: what % do you think is available for arm from the x86 packages? Sep 18 14:52:12 * ogra would say between 80-95% Sep 18 14:52:46 with a tendency to the higher value :) Sep 18 14:53:21 does that include nonfree? Sep 18 14:53:24 I don't think a % is a fair representation anyway. It's the long tail. There are extremely few packages not covered that the majority care about. Sep 18 14:53:24 ok, i would have guessed 75%+ Sep 18 14:54:04 yeah, as i said before most of them are corner cases Sep 18 14:54:12 I don't use much nonfree. Flash is noticeably absent. Sep 18 14:54:13 stuff nobody regulary uses anyway Sep 18 14:54:35 right, binary stuff is indeed rare Sep 18 14:54:48 Generally with nonfree ARM support is an exception. That's why free is awesome. Generally recompile and you're done. Sep 18 14:55:14 ++ Sep 18 15:02:17 (Thanks for answers) Sep 18 21:57:27 does ubuntu-arm has native/permanent samba support? Sep 18 21:58:32 day: Yes. "ubuntu-arm" is just Ubuntu, it has all the same software, with the exception of a few x86-specific things. Sep 18 21:59:06 infinity: 'of a few x86...' thats why i wasnt sure :p Sep 18 21:59:35 im kinda tired of this android u cant do that you cant do this bullshit... Sep 18 21:59:37 day: When I say x86-specific, I mean it. Like binary drivers and such. Sep 18 21:59:55 day: 99% of the Ubuntu archive is built for all the architectures we have. Sep 18 21:59:58 infinity: y i got it. I just thought that maybe they werent ported etc.. Sep 18 22:00:04 infinity: sweet Sep 18 22:02:22 what exactly is the difference between ubuntu-arm and touch. the ui aside Sep 18 22:03:26 day: Well, the UI, and all the bits the UI depends on (Mir, Unity8, Qt5, etc). Sep 18 22:04:01 day: Ubuntu Touch can also be seen as a tech preview for where Ubuntu Desktop will be heading, as we plan to converge on Mir and Unity8 on all platforms $later... Just not yet. Sep 18 22:06:26 infinity: anyone word on finding someone to take my money? Sep 18 22:06:39 infinity: thanks for helping me out Sep 18 22:06:50 gn8 Sep 18 22:18:50 prpplague: Say, are you still in New Orleans? Sep 18 22:19:04 yea, leaving in the morning Sep 18 22:19:12 prpplague: Coming to the thing tonight? Sep 18 22:19:18 yea, planning to Sep 18 22:19:26 prpplague: Anyhow, we could meet downstairs and have this conversation in person. :P Sep 18 22:19:54 ahh didin't realize you were here Sep 18 22:20:02 I am. Sep 18 22:20:30 Meet me by the LF registration desk in 5? That's a pretty empty area. Sep 18 22:20:53 yep will do Sep 18 22:21:00 you mean 6? Sep 18 22:21:05 hehe Sep 18 22:21:24 heading down now Sep 18 22:29:18 infinity at the lf booth on the 3rd floor **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 19 02:59:59 2013