**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 07 02:59:58 2013 Oct 07 10:46:13 how do i install ubuntu on my nexus 7? the files the installer depends on are no longer where the wiki says they are Oct 07 10:48:30 joe18: Ubuntu touch for the n7 or the full desktop? Oct 07 10:48:56 full desktop Oct 07 10:51:35 joe18: it's not worked on now as far as I know ogra_ might be able to help you more Oct 07 10:52:42 wasnt unity supposed to be the one interface for all the devices? what happened to that? why are there 2 interfaces for only one android tablet Oct 07 10:55:29 joe18: unity8 is the converged code which is the same code doing the same thing with different perspectives based on screen size. Unity8 is Ubuntu Touch Oct 07 10:56:02 ooohhhhh Oct 07 10:57:13 joe18: in which case the install you want is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install Oct 07 10:58:02 can i make ubuntu touch not so phone friendly? Oct 07 10:59:05 like ubnutu-(notsomuch)-touch? Oct 07 11:00:20 Other than the lack of GSM radios, there's not much difference between a tablet and phone, really... Oct 07 11:00:35 Have iOS and Android not proven this quite well already? Oct 07 11:01:47 joe18: How do you mean. There is no real need to have something more like the desktop version as it just takes up space on the screen that you need. Is there something specific you need it to do that it can't? Oct 07 11:03:12 i want ubuntu desktop on my nexus 7. call me crazy. i dont really like the ubuntu touch interface Oct 07 11:07:02 is ubuntu touch still based on cm10? Oct 07 11:07:15 define "based on" Oct 07 11:09:20 chroot, kernel, no x11 ? Oct 07 11:09:28 it uses the cm10 kernel, and an ~40M big lxc container where we run a few android daemons to initialize the HW (like the proprietary modem driver and daemon etc)... the reas is a plain straight ubuntu Oct 07 11:09:41 *rest Oct 07 11:10:11 and indeed, since the new unity is designed for Mir, no X Oct 07 11:11:23 how much of a plain straight ubuntu? if i wanted too could i apt-get install kubuntu? Oct 07 11:12:01 it wouldnt run, but indeed you can apt-get install it (after making the OS writable) Oct 07 11:12:28 (no X ...) Oct 07 11:14:07 can i install X? Oct 07 11:14:25 why isnt OS writable? Oct 07 11:15:29 because you dont need that on a phone ... apps dont get installed in the OS but in a user specific space (using click packages injstead of debs) Oct 07 11:17:00 does not mobile unity work? Oct 07 11:17:09 additionally ubuntu touch uses image based updates, that requires that certain parts of the fs do not change Oct 07 11:17:59 (else you wouldnbt be able to provide image diffs OTA and people would have to download a full image every time) Oct 07 11:21:10 so no kubuntu also means no X11 apps? Oct 07 11:21:18 does? Oct 07 11:21:22 * Oct 07 11:22:39 right Oct 07 11:48:24 I've been toying in my mind with the idea of using the ubuntu-nexus7 kernel with e.g. standard debian userland to provide a fully-free code base - it seems that it could be feasible (if you don't need gps or 3d acceleration, which require closed-source binaries, and ignore the non-freeness of the boot loader) Oct 07 11:48:37 but I haven't had any time to try it out... (especially since I heard that there were difficulties bootstrapping a new filesystem etc. using the bootloader, and there might be complex userland changes that the ubuntu desktop had which I don't know about) Oct 07 11:49:29 not many ... Oct 07 11:50:15 ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 should have all modifications Oct 07 11:53:51 I remember from my testing that the fbdev X11 display driver seemed to work ok (if 3D acceleration isn't needed - I think it was quite a bit faster than the openmoko gta02, for example), and I later heard about someone starting to write a driver called "opentegra", which could be even better (I don't know if anything came of it, haven't looked) Oct 07 11:54:27 it should be sufficient if you dont need any GLES stuff Oct 07 11:54:45 opentegra might need newer kernel Oct 07 11:55:01 you might lose the most of one CPU core to it worst case Oct 07 11:55:21 fbdev should work on all kernels that have a framebuffer device Oct 07 11:56:41 the only issue is that if you want *any* kind of usable video playback you will need the binary driver and the codecs Oct 07 11:56:57 if you can live without that fbdev is just fine Oct 07 11:58:52 ok, so it doesn't sound too difficult after all... (I was actually surprised that so many of the sensors etc. in the nexus7 worked without closed-source software; I think GPS and of course 3d acceleration were the primary exceptions) Oct 07 12:03:34 maybe the easiest way to install it would be to make a filesystem image (sans kernel) using qemu-arm, configuring it to use fbdev etc. (and to manage without a keyboard), and then try to use the adb stuff from the bootloader to get the kernel and this filesystem image or its contents onto the nexus7 (that's what I think I'd try first, if I had the time...) Oct 07 12:04:13 why manage without a keyboard ? Oct 07 12:04:40 if you use the right kernel config you will have a console and should be ablet to attach a keyboard via OTG cable Oct 07 12:06:48 hmm yes, good idea, that would probably be much easier than trying to do everything with just the touchscreen Oct 07 12:10:25 Rjs: as said, it shouldn't be a problem to get X.Org running with open source only. But it would be slow and crippled. So why would you like to do it? :) Oct 07 12:29:38 kulve: simply because I don't like to use non-free software :) (and I'm used to using an openmoko gta02, which is much slower but still ok for me - the main problem I have with it is the physically small display) Oct 07 12:31:22 (and from a more pragmatic point of view, I'm not sure if the stuck-button bug was ever fixed in the non-free world - I didn't really follow it closely, but I think I read that the proprietary driver provided by nvidia required an X.org that was too old to have the bugfix, so at least some backporting would be required) Oct 07 12:32:05 luckily on tegra nvidia provides drivers for multiple X.Org versions, up to 14 Oct 07 12:32:16 which I think is used in Saucy Oct 07 12:32:33 I meant the video ABI versions.. Oct 07 12:41:17 ok, good to know (I haven't really followed the proprietary drivers at all) Oct 07 12:43:21 I've been playing with them a bit nexus 7 and Ouya Oct 07 15:44:17 hi.. this is embarassing but: I need to install hamachi in my NATTY (11.04) armel box and I just found out that mirrors are gone..is there any backup mirror somewhere? Oct 07 15:44:32 (I need it for damn lsb deps) Oct 07 15:48:06 wow, maybe found it (!) http://160.26.2.181/ Oct 07 15:50:01 c10ud: http://askubuntu.com/a/91821/7808 Oct 07 15:51:13 rbasak, thanks but that doesn't seem to include the "ports" pool Oct 07 15:51:41 no wait it does Oct 07 15:51:57 thanks then! :D Oct 07 15:51:58 Good point I didn't think of that. Oct 07 15:52:06 If it does then you're in luck :) Oct 07 15:52:50 I tried searching for specific armel packages and google didn't bring this up, now I'll try it but I see a Contents-armel file so I think it should work! Oct 07 15:52:53 * c10ud trying Oct 07 15:53:38 http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-armel/Release exists Oct 07 15:54:01 So the line "deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty" should just work I guess. No ubuntu-ports any more then. Oct 07 16:00:54 this imx53 is slow, probably the SDcard is quite fucked up.. (and it's running armel instead of armhf anyway..) but it definitely seems to be working :) Oct 07 16:01:04 thanks again rbasak **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 08 02:59:59 2013