**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 23 02:59:57 2009 Jun 23 02:59:57 gaffo, rather Jun 23 03:00:21 gaffo, we can have a new thread per USB connection Jun 23 03:00:31 gaffo, which would make sense .. and not block per pre Jun 23 03:01:02 * nebula wonders if overclocking will help NES emulation :) Jun 23 03:01:14 lawlz Jun 23 03:01:24 nebula, did you compile mame for it yet ? Jun 23 03:01:45 bpadalino, then we'd need a new queue per pre Jun 23 03:01:50 mame is so amazing Jun 23 03:01:56 bpadalino, so it's the same issue Jun 23 03:01:57 bpadalino: hrm, maybe i should do that tonight Jun 23 03:02:03 gaffo, a new queue per pre ? Jun 23 03:02:30 gaffo, lets take this to msg Jun 23 03:02:40 bpadalino, fire away Jun 23 03:02:46 bpadalino: you gonna be online for a while? Jun 23 03:02:55 yeah, couple more hours Jun 23 03:03:00 k Jun 23 03:03:08 might bounce a few ideas off you Jun 23 03:04:21 neat Jun 23 03:05:08 cphelps: and mdklein: were having some success earlier working on enabling downloads. Jun 23 03:05:26 I may have missed a few hours while I was afk. Did they either report any success? Jun 23 03:06:04 enable root access question: All scripts seem to run fine, but I cannot tell net to the handset. I assume this might be a local router/network issue? Jun 23 03:06:28 what ip address does the handset say it is at? (wifi preferences) Jun 23 03:06:35 192.168.0.101 Jun 23 03:06:54 and you have opened your firewall to telnet on the windows machine? Jun 23 03:07:04 i turned the windows firewall off Jun 23 03:07:08 ok Jun 23 03:07:20 and you bring up a command prompt (start / run / cmd Jun 23 03:07:24 pregame Jun 23 03:07:32 yep, telnet x.x.x.x (ip) Jun 23 03:07:33 and you type telnet 192.168.0.101 and what happens Jun 23 03:07:34 and it just says connecting Jun 23 03:07:42 then connect failed Jun 23 03:07:42 bpadalino: source is xmame_0.106.orig.tar.gz, i'll give it a go again... i seem to recall some issues Jun 23 03:07:44 try pinging it Jun 23 03:07:44 I just posted a message you might find interesting Jun 23 03:07:47 k Jun 23 03:08:10 nebula, ah Jun 23 03:08:12 timeed out Jun 23 03:08:23 what kind of wireless router do you have? Jun 23 03:08:35 whatever came with my Fios setup Jun 23 03:08:49 uhhhh Jun 23 03:08:56 what's it say on the front of it? Jun 23 03:09:00 one sec. never had to mess with it Jun 23 03:09:18 simplyflipflops, link to your post ? Jun 23 03:09:33 actiontec Jun 23 03:09:36 some off brand I guess Jun 23 03:09:39 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1703204&posted=1#post1703204 Jun 23 03:09:41 ok Jun 23 03:10:03 the pre can download web pages? It is actually CONNECTED? and you have the pre plugged into the USB and selected Charge Only... right? Jun 23 03:10:07 thanks Jun 23 03:10:25 good find, simplyflipflops. Jun 23 03:10:56 yea, it seems to be. It says connected, I can surf- and the scripts ran fine Jun 23 03:11:06 ok Jun 23 03:11:18 on your windows machine, in a command window, type ipconfig/all Jun 23 03:11:31 what does the default gateway say? Jun 23 03:11:47 I wanted to add my vote to "#8 Allow other messaging protocols using libpurple plugins (Facebook, Jabber, etc.)" on page http://predev.wikidot.com/tweak-ideas Jun 23 03:12:28 192.168.1.3 Jun 23 03:12:34 shit that is my IP Jun 23 03:12:37 gateway is 1.1 Jun 23 03:12:52 uh yeah, but the palm is on 192.168.0.xxx Jun 23 03:12:59 ayep Jun 23 03:12:59 and your subnet mask isn't letting you see it. Jun 23 03:13:03 gotcha Jun 23 03:13:13 what's your subnet mask set at. Jun 23 03:13:22 255.255.255.0 Jun 23 03:13:26 bingo Jun 23 03:13:33 change it to 255.255.0.0 Jun 23 03:13:38 on the router? Jun 23 03:13:44 no on your pc Jun 23 03:14:00 Oh. How do i do that? Jun 23 03:14:10 xp? Jun 23 03:14:16 I'd love to have another option in the IM app for custom XMPP servers with custom CAs or self-signed certs. See Gajim for a good implementation (http://www.gajim.org) and XMPP (http://xmpp.org/) Jun 23 03:14:43 yes Jun 23 03:15:09 Oh, btw, the 1.0.3 update turned my noisy DTMF tones back on. Jun 23 03:15:16 let's go to private message, everyone doesn't need to hear this Jun 23 03:16:39 aw shaya left Jun 23 03:17:28 hrm Jun 23 03:17:42 anyone know why i can wifi ssh/sftp into my pre, and not evdo? Jun 23 03:18:02 iptable rules Jun 23 03:18:06 ? Jun 23 03:18:16 because when you opened the iptable rules in the instructions you did the wifi part but not the evdo part Jun 23 03:19:58 ok first off Jun 23 03:20:07 someone is totally jacking the ipkg page on the wiki Jun 23 03:20:19 FuMan: how so? Jun 23 03:20:26 [[tabview]] Jun 23 03:20:26 [[tab Dropbear]] Jun 23 03:20:26 15a. Look at the script for dropbear Jun 23 03:20:26 cat optware-dropbear Jun 23 03:20:26 [[/tab]] Jun 23 03:20:26 [[tab OpenSSH]] Jun 23 03:20:44 the first use of tab looks to work, the rest are all jacked Jun 23 03:20:58 someone is probably editing it right now Jun 23 03:21:03 and yep, step 15, you guys are right :) Jun 23 03:21:15 * mickdouglas shakes his fist at whoever borked up teh media wiki tags :-) Jun 23 03:21:16 i didn't remember doing that the last couple times i rooted... procedure must have changed a bit Jun 23 03:21:25 thanks for the info <3 Jun 23 03:21:34 * nebula can't believe it's taken this long to make star wars ringtones Jun 23 03:22:02 nebula: you could just make em off any old mp3... they've just not shared is all. ;-) Jun 23 03:22:34 yeah, it's the idea i haven't thought of basic tasks like ringtones that i'm more ashamed of Jun 23 03:23:14 uh, changed all my ringtones, alarms, etc to customs. Hard to find customs with sufficient treble and lack of bass to sound good, but I did. Jun 23 03:23:17 nebula: nah... i'm much more interested in the guts of this... yeah I want different sounds (system sound... i mean reallly?) but I want fun toys for this thing first Jun 23 03:23:29 yeah, been busy with hacks Jun 23 03:23:44 im bummed the scaling wasn't working out Jun 23 03:23:45 for instance -- wtf were they thinking: Jun 23 03:23:48 no poker app Jun 23 03:23:54 no crossword Jun 23 03:23:55 write on Jun 23 03:23:57 one Jun 23 03:24:05 Rick: did you figure out how to play different sounds for email/sms/charging? Jun 23 03:24:14 mickdouglas: ya, but you get NASCAR!! Jun 23 03:24:16 does webos have a CLI? Jun 23 03:24:27 tech... no Jun 23 03:24:33 * mickdouglas cringes in a corner twitching violently Jun 23 03:24:36 webos is a task which runs on top of linux Jun 23 03:24:46 oh.. really? Jun 23 03:24:56 Bouquet: first thing I did when I rooted was to keeeel the nascar dead Jun 23 03:25:01 orly? Jun 23 03:25:04 i thought it was more like a distro.. Jun 23 03:25:06 not only do I hate me some nascar but the app sucks Jun 23 03:25:09 many people are working to get a terminal running native in webos. Jun 23 03:25:23 mickdouglas: I'm curious to see their market research that suggested making that such a primary app. Jun 23 03:25:25 Rick_ : there already sorta is one Jun 23 03:25:33 no, the basic linux is a debian variation. Webos specifically is controlled by a linux app called "LunaSysMgr" Jun 23 03:25:46 which sorta one mick? Jun 23 03:25:53 Bouquet: Sprint is THE sponsor for nascar, so it probably was an order from marketing Jun 23 03:26:17 rick, does it have a package manager like deb? Jun 23 03:26:32 Technobabble: ipk Jun 23 03:26:42 mickdouglas: ah, didn't know that. NASCAR doesn't exist in my neck of the woods as far as I've ever seen. Jun 23 03:26:51 I just want an XMPP client! Jun 23 03:26:52 i rooted this thing earlier today, was gonna read up a bit more before i start playing around though Jun 23 03:26:55 Bouquet: you should be glad Jun 23 03:27:00 uh, tech, instead of asking us a bazillion questions about this, why don't you go visit the wiki which has the detailed walk through of how to get to a root login via terminal and how to install a package manager and use it. Jun 23 03:27:17 although, the big races are ok Jun 23 03:27:43 if you rooted, then install the optware to get ssh, and you'll have optware's 1700 or so applications available using their package manager Jun 23 03:28:09 rick, that's this one, right? http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository Jun 23 03:28:28 good evening people Jun 23 03:28:29 John Williams is a musical genius Jun 23 03:28:35 Rick_; here's what I used http://predev.wikidot.com/shell Jun 23 03:28:43 * sugardave agrees with nebula. Jun 23 03:28:55 Rick_: it's not great tho. I'm going to try the other method they suggest now at the top of that article Jun 23 03:29:18 2 quick root question..1. after running talk.py wat am i suppoese 2 do Jun 23 03:29:40 mick, if your going to do that, do THIS instead http://predev.wikidot.com/ajaxphpterm Jun 23 03:30:09 telnet into your IP address via wifi or evdo Jun 23 03:30:15 Rick_: was plaining on it. Need to webdr the pre tho. Hope it's not damaged from the *ahem* gravity check it took over the weekend Jun 23 03:30:27 if i run nova proxy it says listening on port 8023...now what?? Jun 23 03:30:43 read the comments in novaproxy Jun 23 03:30:45 jbann step 11 on http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting Jun 23 03:30:46 I have never run novaproxy Jun 23 03:31:03 did the Pre conform to the laws of gravity? Jun 23 03:31:04 jbann71982: are you in dev mode? are you connected via USB? have you RTFM? Jun 23 03:31:14 Anyone looking at XDirectFB? Jun 23 03:31:16 sugardave, complete the joke Jun 23 03:31:22 sugardave: with a vengeance I'm afraid Jun 23 03:31:28 jbann, if you're doing novaproxy, follow the steps here: http://predev.wikidot.com/using-novaproxy Jun 23 03:31:31 hello. I wanted to report another successful rooting, but I'd like to suggest a couple of edits to make it easier (if you don't mind) Jun 23 03:31:35 i have my ip address just dont know how to telnet Jun 23 03:31:38 I was talking to someone earlier today about seperate sounds for messaging. is that person on now? Jun 23 03:31:40 finally picked up a Touchstone Jun 23 03:31:46 now I need more of them :P Jun 23 03:31:47 sugardave: I may need to file an insurance claim. crack all along the top. :-( Jun 23 03:31:48 zonyl: I was checking it out earlier. Looks cool, but I'd like to see how much resources it consumes. Jun 23 03:31:56 all teh sexay is leaking out Jun 23 03:32:14 jbann, bring up a command window (start run cmd) and type telnet xxx.yyy.zzz.aaa and hit enter Jun 23 03:32:18 sorry i just cant keep it in Jun 23 03:32:26 yea in dev mode through usb Jun 23 03:32:45 Bouquet: Still trying to figure out a way to get mouse with directfb though. Jun 23 03:32:52 mickdouglas, one time i had all the Blue Smoke leak out of one of my old phones Jun 23 03:33:11 oh noes. blue smoke is what makes electronics run Jun 23 03:33:18 i know! Jun 23 03:33:27 mickdouglas: What I want to do is get the ajaxphpterm running as a MOJO task instead of in a browser. Jun 23 03:33:29 and once it escapes, there's no way to put it back in Jun 23 03:33:31 had that happen to my wrt54g after i spilled poweraid on it Jun 23 03:33:44 Which _ought_ to be straightforward if I had a few more hours in the day. Jun 23 03:33:50 Rick_: now that would be cool! have you seen the mojo howtos? Jun 23 03:33:51 lol. blue smoke lubricates the electrons.. With no lubricant, the electrons get hot and bad things happen. :P Jun 23 03:34:19 i get port 23 cant connect Jun 23 03:34:19 zonyl: i believe the only way is to write a driver to interface with /dev/touchscreen, while hidd is stopped. Jun 23 03:34:24 mick, I have the howto's, I have the oreilly book, (through chapter 9 anyway) and I have written several apps... none of which do exactly what I want. Jun 23 03:34:40 Rick_: I was planning on making some apps but i'm more interested in getting metasploit running on the pre. so much hacking to do... so little time Jun 23 03:34:40 Rick, what's the name of that book? Jun 23 03:35:08 today cphelps and I got downloads working in the browser, cleaning it up and making it pretty now... shouldn't be too much longer Jun 23 03:35:14 Palm webOS, 1st Edition Jun 23 03:35:16 By: Mitch Allen Jun 23 03:35:18 Last Updated on Safari: 2009/06/20 Jun 23 03:35:23 Rick_: I'n reversing the apps it looks like you have to be uber javascripter at present... I hope that changes Jun 23 03:35:46 cool, thanks. :) Added to my "must get" list. Jun 23 03:35:47 it isn't going to change. Javascript is THE programming language of webOS.... Jun 23 03:35:47 Rick_: I'd like C or C++ Jun 23 03:35:57 mdklein_: CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! Jun 23 03:36:00 * mickdouglas sighs Jun 23 03:36:23 mick.... _I_ had to learn f-ing java to program the blackberry. Ick SPIT hack COUGH spit. Jun 23 03:36:27 you can learn javascript. Jun 23 03:36:37 * mickdouglas taps foot as he waits for WebDR to hurry up. Jun 23 03:36:49 webDr is slow slow slow Jun 23 03:36:49 oh I know Java... it's not that bad really Jun 23 03:36:53 yes it is. Jun 23 03:36:57 it's worse than that. Jun 23 03:37:05 well it is when you compare it to .net Jun 23 03:37:15 it's a statement of design philosophy masquerading as a language. Jun 23 03:37:25 .net or java? Jun 23 03:37:28 java Jun 23 03:37:30 wat does "could not open connection to the host on port 23 mean?? Jun 23 03:37:33 so, I assume the O'Reilly book is worth it? Jun 23 03:37:43 I'd rather do javascript than java all day Jun 23 03:37:47 sugar.,.. if you had the sdk, I don't think it would be. Jun 23 03:37:48 I do java for a living...it blows Jun 23 03:37:58 jbann: telnet couldn't connect Jun 23 03:37:59 thank you hemna. I could not agree more. Jun 23 03:38:14 jbann: what have you done so far Jun 23 03:38:21 hemna Rick_ guess I'm just a strange sicko or something Jun 23 03:38:32 at least you admit it :P Jun 23 03:38:40 but my first programming gig was for lotus notes, so NOTHING is worse than that steaming pile Jun 23 03:38:47 Rick__: Thanks for mentioning ajaxphpterm! That's far superior to the webshell solution Jun 23 03:38:54 everything installed fine...dev mode..ran talk.py..tried 2 telnet Jun 23 03:39:47 did you get a bunch of crap when you ran talk.py or did you get an error? ( the difference is that an error will return only ~10 lines of text versus a successful rin which makes a lot, lot more) Jun 23 03:39:52 mick.... a few things off the top of my head. Why are strings immutable? Why does == not work on strings? Why is there no case statement that operates on anything besides integers? why is parameter passing so borked? Jun 23 03:40:13 I --like-- javascript. It has most of the features I like about Ruby. Jun 23 03:40:14 everything expected Jun 23 03:40:32 jbann, we've discovered a new variation on a problem... Jun 23 03:40:44 what is your desktop ip address, and what is the pre's ip address? Jun 23 03:40:47 what might that be? Jun 23 03:41:01 Hmm.. what version of webos do you have? Jun 23 03:41:03 i'm not sure if this is a stupid question or not, but does the iPhone have the ability to root and ssh and all this? Jun 23 03:41:12 tech, no Jun 23 03:41:12 pre>>72.59.201.29 Jun 23 03:41:15 Rick_: i really can't say why. so many things of java are freaking arbitrary. and i hate that about it... but it's fairly upfront about how jacked up it is. sure it makes for a harsh learning curve... but it's fairly consistant with them Jun 23 03:41:16 this phone is like the coolest thing ever. Jun 23 03:41:36 jbann, is that your wifi ip? Jun 23 03:41:45 Technobabble: checkout things like nmap and tshark. that should blow your hair back Jun 23 03:41:45 jbann, that is NOT your wifi ip Jun 23 03:41:49 that's your evdo ip Jun 23 03:41:55 java actually has less reserved keywords than most languages Jun 23 03:41:57 you can't do rooting via telnet using evdo Jun 23 03:41:57 i have nmap Jun 23 03:42:01 surprisingly enough Jun 23 03:42:09 is tshark like wireshark? Jun 23 03:42:19 Technobabble: tshark is commandline wireshark Jun 23 03:42:24 jbann, your wifi ip should be like 192.168.0, 192.168.1 or something like that. Jun 23 03:42:25 Technobabble: i use tcpdump within webos Jun 23 03:42:27 then yeah, got that too Jun 23 03:42:36 Technobabble: running them on the pre is awesomesauce Jun 23 03:42:53 ohhh... how do i get that under wifi pref. it isnt there Jun 23 03:42:55 well, once i get the sshd, i'll give it a shot Jun 23 03:42:57 jbann, or 10.0.0.x if you're on a netcomm router... Jun 23 03:43:03 mick, is tshark in the repo? Jun 23 03:43:09 if you get ruby too, you can install the metasploit framework! o.O Jun 23 03:43:20 Technobabble: yep tshark is in the repo Jun 23 03:43:24 when you go to wifi preferences does it show that you're connected to an AP? Jun 23 03:43:24 yes it is. if you're connected to the wifi, you go to wifi pref's and tap on the router you're connected to and it lists the ip Jun 23 03:43:40 <== loves ruby Jun 23 03:43:52 Technobabble: but it's pretty much the same things as tcpdump from a getting things done standpoint Jun 23 03:43:57 actually im using my touch diamond tetherd 2 laptop for internet access Jun 23 03:44:01 Rick_: knew I'd get you there Jun 23 03:44:10 that isn't going to work jbann Jun 23 03:44:25 jbann, you'll never EVER get that to work. Jun 23 03:44:26 you need to establish a wifi connection, this is how you get to telnet. Jun 23 03:44:26 Rick_: ruby's nice, but gem needs to have a LOT more work done with it. I miss my CPAN repos Jun 23 03:44:35 so i need a dedicated wifi connection Jun 23 03:44:45 or use the novacomm via usb version Jun 23 03:45:02 rizzlesnats Jun 23 03:45:11 jbann71982: connect to your pre to your wifi then connect to the pre via wifi Jun 23 03:45:20 http://predev.wikidot.com/using-novaproxy Jun 23 03:45:49 through novacomm it says "listening on localhost port 8023...now what Jun 23 03:46:03 you have to download putty Jun 23 03:46:06 not a dedicated wifi "connection" but a wifi access point.. If you are lucky and I haven't tried but see no reason why it WOULDN'T work, you can establish an adhoc connection on your laptop, statically assign your laptop with 192.168.0.1 and then have the pre join the adhoc and assign it 192.168.0.2 Jun 23 03:46:08 and then use putty to connect Jun 23 03:46:42 ok gimme a sec Jun 23 03:46:49 pick up at step 12 on that page jbann Jun 23 03:47:54 lol.. and my friends thought I was nuts when I told them that my next phone was going to have to have DOOM available on it.. :P Jun 23 03:48:31 firestorm: lol. I'm more enjoying the NES roms. ;-) Jun 23 03:48:59 webdr question Jun 23 03:49:08 I'm plugging the phone in Jun 23 03:49:11 mick: I have had this less than 8 hours, I'm catching up. :) Jun 23 03:49:16 but it doesn't seem to recognize Jun 23 03:49:17 u guys f*ckin rock im in lol now what Jun 23 03:49:32 jbann71982: the phone is your oyster. do what you will Jun 23 03:49:40 continue with the howto. Think Rick said you were on step 12? Jun 23 03:50:11 i strongly recommend that you follow the howto and setup a repository and setup a personal account. Unless you're really comfortable with linux root is a dangerous place to live Jun 23 03:50:16 should i do the block updates now? will the update screw up anything on my phone if I let it push? Jun 23 03:50:24 heck it's dangerous and I know linux! ;-) Jun 23 03:50:35 james: not 1.0.3 Jun 23 03:50:42 JamesBaud: the updates haven't cause problems so far Jun 23 03:50:49 who wrote the howto? I'd like to recommend an edit for the talk.py error that might make it easier on some new folks. Jun 23 03:50:56 ok, good =) ty Jun 23 03:51:01 spill firestorm Jun 23 03:51:14 if it says root@castle do i still have to log in Jun 23 03:51:14 about 10 people wrote the howto. it's a wiki Jun 23 03:51:20 so anyone who has used webdr. what's the mode you need your phone to be in to be seen by it? Jun 23 03:51:20 no Jun 23 03:51:37 now you pick up here: http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository Jun 23 03:51:49 and follow the instructions EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY Jun 23 03:51:50 thanks Jun 23 03:52:08 jbann71982: Rick_'s right Jun 23 03:52:13 and did I mention exactly..... ? Jun 23 03:52:23 will do Jun 23 03:52:24 jbann71982: you're in as root. there's not many do-overs when you're root Jun 23 03:52:39 On the page, it says that if you get an error, about some kind of int() call, I want to add "Windows XP will freak out and install drivers. You must let this complete before running talk.py Jun 23 03:52:42 this is where you can brick your phone Jun 23 03:52:43 whatever, they're kind of more like guidelines than rules, just type something similar and you'll be fine Jun 23 03:52:52 If you don't, you will get the error everytime. Jun 23 03:53:07 ok any special instructions before i start guys?? Jun 23 03:53:15 do what is says. Jun 23 03:53:18 It also helps to have your USB cable attached directly off of the computer's USB ports rather than through a USB hub.. Jun 23 03:53:18 it Jun 23 03:53:33 use novaproxy Jun 23 03:53:33 mogren: i'm guessing you're fairly *nix savvy tho... lots aren't and those aren't really options. If you don't know what's being done. Follow them to the T. Jun 23 03:53:54 He was engaging in "irony" Jun 23 03:54:02 ok about to go in wish me luck Jun 23 03:54:04 I seccond the follow the rules EXACTLY... Jun 23 03:54:08 thanks rick Jun 23 03:54:10 firestorm: i've had good luck w/ a powered usb hub Jun 23 03:54:11 they do that in some places... but no where actually civilized. Jun 23 03:54:34 Rick_: ah. too tired to catch subtle stuffs Jun 23 03:54:50 * mickdouglas needs slapped w/ a fish to see humor as tired as he is Jun 23 03:54:54 All my hubs are powered, but (PC)---[powered hub]---[powered hub] did not work, (PC) worked for me.. :P Jun 23 03:55:25 webdr question -- what mode do you put your Pre in when you reflash the ROM? Jun 23 03:55:28 it's like my customers who call and say "I got an error what do I do now?" "What does the error say?" "I don't know, it's gone now... something about files?" -- press big red KILL CUSTOMER button next to phone. Jun 23 03:55:39 * sugardave slaps mickdouglas with a trout. Jun 23 03:55:48 Rick_: yep that's a PEBKAC Jun 23 03:56:47 ok just started is it normal that "/bin/sh: not found pops up after making root writable Jun 23 03:57:07 mick, you have to be at the big triangle exclamation point. Jun 23 03:57:36 Rick_ ah... ok. well crud. so maybe webdr isn't what's needed then. Jun 23 03:58:04 anyone have this problem: I went to upgrade the Where app and it gave a message "free up more free space and try again" Jun 23 03:58:21 delete some porn Jun 23 03:58:22 i took it to sprint store and they said to do a full reset Jun 23 03:58:26 haha Jun 23 03:58:33 lol @ webizard Jun 23 03:58:42 Webizard: lol, but I have to keep the important stuffs ;-P Jun 23 03:58:56 easy method for keeping the Pre awake: Listen to Pandora. Jun 23 03:58:56 hey no problem, mines up to the brim ;) Jun 23 03:58:57 so i deleted some apps and showed that i had 4.3 gb free Jun 23 03:59:17 but no app installs or upgrades work now Jun 23 03:59:23 anyone hear of that? Jun 23 03:59:30 have I done something wrong? Jun 23 03:59:32 also Jun 23 03:59:35 yes. Jun 23 03:59:35 full disclosure Jun 23 03:59:43 but you can run webdr and fix it Jun 23 03:59:44 Rick_: oh? what? Jun 23 03:59:52 who knows? Jun 23 03:59:56 you broke it. :-) Jun 23 04:00:15 Rick_: OK but I thought you just said I needed the exclamation point... Jun 23 04:00:51 Hey Jun 23 04:01:20 firestorm: what edits did you have to make the rooting procedure easier? Jun 23 04:01:20 so anyway I dropped the pre... could that have caused the problem? Jun 23 04:01:21 Is anyone on now who could add me to the project on Gitorious? Jun 23 04:02:11 I'd like to link up my project: http://github.com/bsiegel/novacom_win7 Jun 23 04:02:12 mick http://forums.precentral.net/hardware-use-trouble-shooting/187641-case-you-cant-get-webos-doctor-work.html Jun 23 04:02:19 Anyone else implemented the DTMF mute have it reversed after 1.0.3 install? Jun 23 04:02:34 rwhitby No edits, just procedural things that aren't mentioned (that freaked me out but weren't documented) Jun 23 04:02:49 Rick_: many thanks! Jun 23 04:02:57 * mickdouglas raises a beer in Rick_'s honor Jun 23 04:03:00 After you install the .msi driver from the jar archive, plug the Pre into USB on the windows machine. Jun 23 04:03:12 You have to do this once so Windows can find and install the drivers. Jun 23 04:03:30 firestorm: sent you the wiki pw - please make the edits (I just noticed you'd already said them up a bit earlier) Jun 23 04:03:34 I've said it before and the offer still stands. Anyone who's going to be at BlackHat or DEFCON, look me up! I'd love to chat w/ ya Jun 23 04:04:02 mickdouglas: when you gonna have one of those in .au ? ;-) Jun 23 04:04:37 bsiegel: let's chat Jun 23 04:04:45 rwhitby: Someday (fingers crossed) I'll get to go to the SANS events in Sydney. Jun 23 04:05:26 rwhitby: Ozzy! Ozzy! Ozzy!!! Jun 23 04:05:59 bsiegel: where's the source for the novacom_win7 programs? Jun 23 04:06:19 there are windows 7 novacom programs ? Jun 23 04:06:49 rwhitby: It's the same binaries as provided from Palm, I've just written installers for them that install them properly under Win7 x86/x64 Jun 23 04:07:09 bsiegel: I'm afraid we can't redistribute Palm binaries on the gitorious site Jun 23 04:07:33 (without their explicit permission) Jun 23 04:08:03 its that whole legal issue Jun 23 04:08:10 crazy i now =p Jun 23 04:08:11 rwhitby: Ah, fair enough. Well the WiX scripts are still good, and perhaps I can work on an installer method that reuses the existing ones. Jun 23 04:08:13 know& Jun 23 04:08:25 bsiegel: absolutely Jun 23 04:08:52 The good news is that as long as the Palm binaries are deployed properly, there is nothing stopping them from working under Win7 Jun 23 04:09:05 that IS good news. Jun 23 04:09:53 quick question, i'm on step 3 where it talks about wgetting the ipk file Jun 23 04:09:56 bsiegel: an installer which downloaded the webOS Doctor file from Palm directly, then unpacked it and installed the drivers properly, would be perfect. Jun 23 04:09:57 rwhitby: Did you notice earlier (before you were back ak) that mdklein and cphelps have cooperatively gotten downloads enabled in the browser? and are working up a post with a walkthrough? Jun 23 04:10:00 do i need the wifi connected to get that? Jun 23 04:10:08 well g'night all Jun 23 04:10:14 no tech, you can get it through evdo Jun 23 04:10:22 Rick_: didn't see that - how long ago? Jun 23 04:11:22 within the last hour Jun 23 04:11:24 mdklein_> today cphelps and I got downloads working in the browser, cleaning it up and making it pretty now... shouldn't be too much longer Jun 23 04:12:05 22:35 Jun 23 04:12:25 how do you enable usb drive mode, i put in the usb cable, and it just says charging, not giving me the choice to switch to usb drive mode Jun 23 04:12:33 rick, can you point me to the evdo thing? Jun 23 04:12:43 JamesBaud, are you on the phone? Jun 23 04:12:51 nope Jun 23 04:12:58 it does that to me when i'm on thep hone Jun 23 04:13:00 Rick_: relative timestamp please, I'm in GMT+9:30 Jun 23 04:13:07 tech, if you can use the pre to get a web page, if you're connected to the internet, then you can wget. Jun 23 04:13:14 i even tried unplugging, then replugging in the usb cable Jun 23 04:13:19 uh./... I'm at 23:13 now. Jun 23 04:13:22 so being on the phone would kill that, probably Jun 23 04:13:44 not on the phone, just trying to trasnfer pics to it Jun 23 04:14:10 james... have yo been mod'ing anything? Jun 23 04:14:18 yea Jun 23 04:14:18 ... Jun 23 04:14:27 god this thing is cool, all the things that don't work are all my fault Jun 23 04:14:28 been modding bar-assitant.js? Jun 23 04:14:30 ill try reboot Jun 23 04:14:34 Rick_: got it, thanks. Jun 23 04:14:36 nope Jun 23 04:14:42 ok Jun 23 04:14:44 mdklein_: ping Jun 23 04:14:44 good. Jun 23 04:14:48 then I have no idea Jun 23 04:14:51 ? Jun 23 04:15:08 mdklein_: details on browser downloads? Jun 23 04:15:11 heh Jun 23 04:15:11 soon Jun 23 04:15:20 sorry, something broke at work, been taking over my time Jun 23 04:15:31 no excuser Jun 23 04:15:37 -r Jun 23 04:15:39 no probs, just please tell me you're doing instructions before the youtube video ;-) Jun 23 04:15:44 we hook into the download-controller, it's actually fairly simple Jun 23 04:15:50 yeah Jun 23 04:16:26 you're still mod'ing the prototype downloads library to use the download-controller? Jun 23 04:17:29 maybe? I'm not sure what you mean by prototypes library... but probably heh Jun 23 04:17:37 it's in page-assistant Jun 23 04:17:48 shyt, still not working Jun 23 04:17:57 also some views mod Jun 23 04:19:21 maybee my pc, ill reboot that Jun 23 04:20:43 so what's better, dropbear or just regular old sshd? Jun 23 04:24:03 one has more features, the other is smaller. both with do what 99% of people need. Jun 23 04:24:09 s/with/will/ Jun 23 04:24:50 If rboatright is here, thx for the wiki edits. Jun 23 04:25:39 rwhitby, like what % smaller? Jun 23 04:25:50 if it's only like 10% smaller, might as well go with the whole sshd Jun 23 04:26:01 Technobabble: I'm still waiting for someone to give hard data for that on a Pre. Jun 23 04:26:09 Technobabble, dropbear doesn't have scp access. :( Jun 23 04:26:12 i'm under the impression that they're both pretty small Jun 23 04:26:18 firestorm: dropbear does have scp access Jun 23 04:26:40 the only feature than openssh has that dropbear does not is authentication agent outbound client forwarding. Jun 23 04:26:49 I stand corrected... I need to enable sftp access. My apologies. Guess it's not enabled by default Jun 23 04:26:54 Rick__: fyi, i reboot my p.o.s. pc and it works fine now Jun 23 04:27:18 firestorm: dropbear does scp protocol by default, and can do sftp protocol if you install openssh-sftp-server Jun 23 04:27:21 firestorm, i don't think sftp access is enabled by default on openssh either Jun 23 04:27:39 lol.. just saw that. I R A moron, lol. Jun 23 04:27:44 nope, both do scp by default, and both need openssh-sftp-server installed for sftp Jun 23 04:27:48 I'm rboatright Jun 23 04:28:07 Rick_: sweet, thx. Jun 23 04:28:38 Rick__ here at home.. Rick_ at work. Jun 23 04:28:41 but always rboatright Jun 23 04:29:28 and you're welcome for the edits. After a couple of thousand wikipedia edits, and writing a few thousand pages of end-user documentation, cleaning up things here is almost relaxing Jun 23 04:29:38 the fedora version of openssh is 722k Jun 23 04:29:38 not sure if the pre version has been stripped down or anything though Jun 23 04:29:59 optware strips both dropbear and openssh pretty thoroughly. Jun 23 04:30:19 Rick__: looking for a permanent role ? ;-) Jun 23 04:30:47 with yourself and ultraBlack we might even have a reasonable wiki management team Jun 23 04:31:47 not sure. Already oversubscribed. Non-fiction editor of 1632.org, grantvillegazette.com, patrol the Baha'i pages on wikipedia pretty hard, patrol the Brown V Board of education pages ditto... and I'm a full time software developer. Jun 23 04:32:04 oh, and I have a life too..... :-) Jun 23 04:32:11 Rick__: we'll take what we can get ;-) Jun 23 04:32:17 (and be glad for it) Jun 23 04:32:41 But I'm going to be doing some page reorganization over the next few days.... splitting, linking, etc. Things are sorta chaotic just now. Jun 23 04:32:52 Excellent! Jun 23 04:33:15 if you are looking for some help, I'd be glad to assist. Jun 23 04:33:38 does wikidot.com support internal page anchor links? Jun 23 04:34:00 'cause some ToC's at the top of some of the longer pages would be "nice" I miss mediawiki's automagic ToC's. Jun 23 04:34:08 Rick__: no idea, I didn't choose the wiki platform, and have never used wikidot before. Jun 23 04:34:22 emkman is the guy who started it Jun 23 04:35:11 I personally would be happer with a more standard wiki, especially one that can send email notifications of changes which included context diffs of the wiki source text. Jun 23 04:35:57 rwhitby: i agree. Jun 23 04:36:37 I don't want to incite a revolt or anything, that's just my personal feelings. I'm not running the wiki, so it's really not my call. Jun 23 04:37:06 yeah. earlier i offered to at least pay to upgrade it so we can have a longer revision history. Jun 23 04:37:15 we could work with him to move over to a more suitable wiki Jun 23 04:37:22 though i never see emkman anymore Jun 23 04:38:53 Rick__: does mediawiki do email notifications of page changes that include wiki source text context diffs? Jun 23 04:39:13 EvanDotPro: saurik also offered to pay that. Jun 23 04:39:22 yes. Jun 23 04:39:34 Mediawiki is what wikipedia runs. Jun 23 04:39:50 but I can still clean this up. Jun 23 04:39:54 i would host one, ad free / branding free / etc, too.. which i'm sure other people in here would do the same. Jun 23 04:40:03 you have to EXPLICITLY call out ToC's, etc. but we can. Jun 23 04:40:33 Evan, the issue is, from my perspective, that it needs to be permanant. What if you get hit by a bus? Jun 23 04:40:53 Rick_: i understand, i'd give select few people in here access to the hosting accont. Jun 23 04:41:09 Who's getting hit by a bus? Jun 23 04:41:17 anyone, anytime. Jun 23 04:41:29 Right, but why do we care? Jun 23 04:41:31 that's why there's so many ops-capable people in this channel Jun 23 04:41:35 Apparent from our compassion for human life. Jun 23 04:41:37 *Apart Jun 23 04:41:46 Rick_: hopefully i would not be hit by a bus... my boss said if i die, he'll kill me... hmm. Jun 23 04:41:57 i have a dedi that sits idle most of the time Jun 23 04:42:18 jblebrun: much easier to change ownership of a wiki than to move all the content Jun 23 04:42:31 Oh Jun 23 04:42:45 If someone died, the status of wiki content would really be the least of my concerns :-) Jun 23 04:42:56 would you be interested in a backup script for modifying js files? Jun 23 04:43:01 I have been told that if I die, that they will call on a voodoo priestess to raise my zombie just so that they can torture me before imprisoning with a group of televangelists. Jun 23 04:43:07 i have a bunch of servers, but i would even throw up a new VPS for the wiki so that we could have multiple people with access, for the reason Rick_ pointed out. Jun 23 04:43:14 LOL @ Rick Jun 23 04:43:45 huh firestore. I didn't laugh. You didn't see their faces. Jun 23 04:44:32 From my point of view (having managed the project which manages the hardware on which nslu2-linux.org, nas-central.org, openwiz.org, and openembedded.org all run) any community wiki solution must be in some open source friendly hosting site (e.g. like OSUOSL) with multiple core devs here having co-root access. Jun 23 04:44:55 plus, if i die... google adsense is hooked to the account my hosting renews from... so it would perpetually keep itself going for quite a while, anyways :). Jun 23 04:45:51 another thing which has been mentioned is a mailing list - if that and the wiki (and perhaps a bug tracker) could be combined, ... Jun 23 04:46:43 Is someone dying soon? Jun 23 04:46:47 well, i will gladly help set up / host / financially back hosting, etc... Jun 23 04:46:53 nodnod exactly (what _IS_ your first name.. rwhitby gets tiresom to talk to.) something like osuosl or equivalent. Jun 23 04:46:54 jblebrun: every day ... Jun 23 04:47:15 rwhitby: yes, thanks :-| Jun 23 04:47:18 Rick__: actually, I prefer rwhitby, since then it highlights my chat window Jun 23 04:48:05 jblbrun: in any community effort, it's CRITICAL to have multiple co-ops with root access. 'cause people die, people gafiate, people are fafiated, and people give up. Jun 23 04:48:31 it has to be self-continuing. Like a self-appointing community board of directors is. Jun 23 04:48:34 the most common thing is people simply loosing interest. Jun 23 04:48:37 Rick__: Yes, I got that. I didn't realize there were resources in this community where that wasn't the case. Jun 23 04:49:15 jblebrun, there are not such resources now. rwhitby: and I are arguing that this should continue rather than accepting hosting for a wiki from an individual. Jun 23 04:49:37 Ok Jun 23 04:49:40 +1 then Jun 23 04:49:41 getting away from it all. Yep. Jun 23 04:49:41 Rick__: I'm not discounting EvanDotPro's offer yet ... Jun 23 04:50:16 no, I understand that, I'm stating a philosophical position I have. Jun 23 04:50:24 understood. Jun 23 04:50:54 but then, I'm trying to find someone to turn over the webmaster position for my local 12 step organization's intergroup to. :-) now that I have it on a CMS. Jun 23 04:51:10 Well, sorry for coming in late, but is there actually a valid counter-argument? Jun 23 04:51:11 putting critical path stuff in one person's hands is not good. Jun 23 04:51:35 anyone want to be webmaster for an Overeaters Anonymous intergroup? Jun 23 04:52:03 jblebrun: I don't think anyone is arguing against it ... EvanDotPro has kindly offered a new VPS with co-root access ... Jun 23 04:52:11 ShinAli: you here? Jun 23 04:52:21 whats up Jun 23 04:54:06 Well it sounds like I don't have anything valuable to add to that discussion :-) Jun 23 04:54:35 Rick__: I'm not offering to put it on one of my existing 6 dedicated boxed that only I have root to or anything like that... I'm just saying I'll financially back a VPS and give co-root, etc if the community wants it. Jun 23 04:54:45 boxes* Jun 23 04:54:52 shaya: whats... up? Jun 23 04:55:11 (just clarifying.. even though that's been established. :)) Jun 23 04:55:30 have you looked at the pgsurface file Jun 23 04:56:13 not yet Jun 23 04:56:53 looks like rendering for image files Jun 23 04:57:42 it would seem that is why the plugins only links against libpng or libjpeg Jun 23 04:59:45 rwhitby: is something up with gitorious.org? i finally went to commit the hello world app, but it seems gitorious.org isn't working. Jun 23 05:01:23 shaya: the MAPartsAdapter doesn't, i think? Jun 23 05:01:27 EvanDotPro: what's the error? Jun 23 05:02:02 rwhitby: it just came back up... seems like they rebooted their server or something Jun 23 05:03:22 turns out update-alternatives already using the full path of /opt/bin/update-alternatives Jun 23 05:03:26 so not a problem Jun 23 05:04:22 I have a quick and dirty backup script for modifying the builtin apps if you all want it. Jun 23 05:04:59 eno: sweet Jun 23 05:07:09 exit Jun 23 05:09:04 shaya: i can't really find where Classic does all its drawing really Jun 23 05:09:28 Shin: Its a webkit plugin I think. Jun 23 05:09:41 obviously but how does it draw? Jun 23 05:09:52 does it use libPiranha or some other crap Jun 23 05:09:57 ShinAli: could be statically linked Jun 23 05:10:23 ShinAli: do you have classic installed? Jun 23 05:10:28 yeh Jun 23 05:10:32 what did the ipkg that installed it add Jun 23 05:10:44 just the webOS app Jun 23 05:10:58 the native files for Classic was already on the pre Jun 23 05:11:08 actually they're on every pre Jun 23 05:11:18 gwhiyes Jun 23 05:11:24 which corresponds to what MA has in their blog Jun 23 05:11:39 can you link me to their blog? Jun 23 05:11:45 as the webos upgrade updated their core Jun 23 05:11:51 right Jun 23 05:11:51 and needed an updated mojo to work with updated core Jun 23 05:12:06 yeah Jun 23 05:12:12 is it setpwd to change a user's password? Jun 23 05:12:20 the new update did some of the Classic libs over Jun 23 05:12:20 passwd Jun 23 05:12:25 passwd Jun 23 05:12:36 rwhitby: Substantial edits to the rooting page. please review.... Jun 23 05:12:59 so any updates on the webOS app doesn't do anything on the native files themselves Jun 23 05:13:23 this special treatment isn't really cool of palm Jun 23 05:13:48 Classic should have just been a part of the os. Jun 23 05:14:16 i don't care about that Jun 23 05:14:37 its just that giving one set of devs these special tools to make a program like that really iffs me Jun 23 05:14:57 I agree with you there. Jun 23 05:18:55 will someone do me a favor and look over the rooting page, and see if I borked anything? Jun 23 05:19:46 like Jun 23 05:19:49 linux nerd borked Jun 23 05:19:51 or looks right borked Jun 23 05:20:05 Looking... Jun 23 05:21:08 Looks good to me overall. what changes were there? Jun 23 05:21:18 shaya: the interesting thng i see is that PGIpcSurface Jun 23 05:21:41 a graphics context over the ipc bus? Jun 23 05:21:45 big explanation at top. Tagging out seperate versions for windows and mac, lots of increased explanations. Lots of noob instruction expansion Jun 23 05:21:57 ShinAli: thats what i mentioned earlier Jun 23 05:22:03 I have no idea Jun 23 05:22:22 its weird Jun 23 05:22:34 i figured it'd be kind of slow drawing over IPC? Jun 23 05:22:41 Oops.. i see an error that I missed on my last edit. Can you fix it? Jun 23 05:22:53 what? Jun 23 05:23:30 Item 10, bullet 3, line 4. Should read "the talk.py script. Make sure..." (Needs a period between script and Make) Jun 23 05:24:31 rwhitby: helloworld is on gitorious now.. i'm going to be updating the wiki page with a bunch more stuff sometime this week, and will update it with the gitorious info and such, too. Jun 23 05:24:40 I put in bullet 3 regarding my experiences with the talk.py script. Didn't know if I needed to put an "added by me" line at the bottom or what the process was. Jun 23 05:24:46 EvanDotPro: MIT licensed? Jun 23 05:24:51 ShinAli: the NpPalmWindow is the impt part Jun 23 05:25:02 done Jun 23 05:25:09 shaya: where is that at? Jun 23 05:25:12 or not Jun 23 05:25:13 hmm Jun 23 05:25:23 firestorm: in general, the wiki history captures attribution, so no need for crediting inline in the text Jun 23 05:25:41 excellent.. Thank you. Jun 23 05:25:49 ok, pumpkin. Off to bed. 00:25 and I'm getting too old for this. Jun 23 05:25:51 rwhitby: yes, as it states on the wiki page.. i should commit a license file too, probably. Jun 23 05:25:57 (although some people like to see their name there, so a credits section at the end is fine if people want to do that) Jun 23 05:26:05 I wasn't sure. I'm not fishing for credit, but didn't know what the protocol is. Jun 23 05:26:16 firestorm: good to ask, yes. Jun 23 05:26:28 this is also my first time in IRC land too, so I'm doing alright... ;) Jun 23 05:26:51 Thank you, Rick. :) Jun 23 05:26:55 Have a good night Jun 23 05:26:56 gnight all. Jun 23 05:28:11 ShinAli: what I was going on was this Jun 23 05:28:11 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/NPWindow Jun 23 05:28:37 i thought the void * window there is what used by plugin for whats drawn into Jun 23 05:28:49 rwhitby: i'll try to think of a not-for-profit app to make / use for the more complex mojo walk-through i plan on adding.. i'll also commit that to gitorious as MIT, as well. Jun 23 05:28:54 ShinAli: found it as NpPalmWindow npPalmWin Jun 23 05:29:07 but NpPalmWindow seems to be just 3 elements that I can't see doing anything Jun 23 05:29:36 EvanDotPro: nice Jun 23 05:30:21 rwhitby: (or just pick from the ideas list on the wiki, if there's any mojo-type ideas) Jun 23 05:31:00 do others know if there is a way to mount the PalmPre as a drive to access the root filesystem? Jun 23 05:31:26 wait, which one is rule 30? Jun 23 05:31:34 i'm totally familiar with rule 34... Jun 23 05:31:34 quick question, and I apologize if I could have found the answer elsewhere: is there currently any way to run shell scripts from luna apps, or is sshing in still the only easy way to do so? Jun 23 05:33:52 rulethirty, if you're rooted, you can do rootfs_open -w Jun 23 05:33:56 shaya: are you thinking PalmPluginView? Jun 23 05:34:12 I am looking at it Jun 23 05:35:19 rwhitby: made another edit regarding the Screen Lock application: The path to securityconfig-assistant.js has changed for 1.0.3 Jun 23 05:38:55 Technobabble; but how does that help me mount the pre from my machine? Jun 23 05:39:32 oh you wanna mount it like an NFS mount? Jun 23 05:39:44 well not over wifi Jun 23 05:40:07 every 8th packet or so i get a huge spike >~1.5s lag Jun 23 05:41:42 i'll take a better look tomorrow, i got to get up in the morn Jun 23 05:42:29 emkman: ping Jun 23 05:42:39 hey Jun 23 05:42:44 was hoping ud be here Jun 23 05:42:53 can i get commit access on gitorious? Jun 23 05:42:57 emkman: see /msg please Jun 23 05:43:02 emkman: sure Jun 23 05:43:20 emkman: what you gonna commit? Jun 23 05:43:42 usbnet driver for windows Jun 23 05:43:46 and maybe one for mac Jun 23 05:44:14 cool - willing to MIT license it? Jun 23 05:44:51 yeh, well the windows one is just the gumstix driver slighyl modified Jun 23 05:44:56 and they dont specify a license Jun 23 05:45:07 but its open source for sure Jun 23 05:45:19 so i was just gonna leave it licenseless Jun 23 05:47:13 emkman: is it just a modification of the linux.inf from gumstix, with the normal Windows XP rndis driver? Jun 23 05:47:38 ok, so I didn't go to bed. I finished cleaning up the rooting page (s) -- split it into a base page, and three procedure pages (wifi, novacomm, mac) Jun 23 05:47:50 lol... Jun 23 05:47:54 much cleaner now. NOW I'm going to bed. Jun 23 05:48:59 it was SUCH a mess, I couldn't stand it. Back references, forward references, conditionals that were not defined. arrrghhh... Jun 23 05:49:05 But I'm feeling MUCH better now. Jun 23 05:49:29 Rick: Can I add my quick and dirty backup script to the "Modifying Stock Apps" page? Jun 23 05:49:56 whynot? It's a WIKI.... first rule: Edit bravely! Jun 23 05:50:10 don't ask. Just do. Jun 23 05:50:12 LOL.. well, it's not >my< wiki, so I always ask first. Jun 23 05:50:16 yes rwhiteby Jun 23 05:50:18 just try to make it make sense. Jun 23 05:50:24 Of course. :) Jun 23 05:50:29 It's not MY wiki. Jun 23 05:50:32 so is it possible to communicate with the root of the filesystem for the Pre over USB? Jun 23 05:50:37 Thank ghu and all his minions Jun 23 05:51:15 i dont know if future improvements are possible, which is why i figured might as well put in in scm Jun 23 05:51:33 but i just modified linux.inf with the correct ids for the pre Jun 23 05:51:39 rulethirty: No one has posted any procedures for mounting the root as a remote filesystem via usb. I have used the novacomm drivers and created an FTP access over / -- but that's a different thing. Jun 23 05:51:54 emkman: added to gitorious - let me know what repo you need Jun 23 05:52:00 * cdm is back from quiz night Jun 23 05:52:03 Rick__; that would be a step forward Jun 23 05:52:25 just install an ftp server from ipkg-opt Jun 23 05:52:28 * rwhitby bbl Jun 23 05:52:43 ok, really ACTUALLY gone now. Jun 23 05:52:54 here are the results from my ping of the pre: http://pastie.org/521207 Jun 23 05:52:57 hi all. Jun 23 05:53:21 this is the reason im tryng to avoid ssh/sftp/scp Jun 23 05:53:27 rwhitby, i was thinking usbnet or usbnet-pre Jun 23 05:53:37 what reason is that rulethirty Jun 23 05:53:46 im using the novacom for a terminal but want to run an ide for directly modifying the files Jun 23 05:53:57 ooh nice Jun 23 05:54:04 that would be perfect Jun 23 05:54:17 yeah ive got sftpdrive going Jun 23 05:54:24 but its so slow i want to claw my eyes out Jun 23 05:54:29 what is slow? Jun 23 05:54:33 sftp Jun 23 05:54:34 Do you really need SSL? Jun 23 05:54:41 please see Jun 23 05:54:42 http://pastie.org/521207 Jun 23 05:54:44 is it passive mode error? Jun 23 05:54:57 Sorry, i am trapped inside this putty/novaproxy Jun 23 05:55:09 running weechat-ncurses Jun 23 05:55:24 :/ Jun 23 05:55:32 may be i can fork this proc and lynx your pastebin Jun 23 05:55:39 hrm Jun 23 05:56:12 brb Jun 23 05:56:13 heh Jun 23 05:57:15 so is your Pre connected via USB i assume, while the pings drop? Jun 23 05:57:25 hrm Jun 23 05:57:27 yes Jun 23 05:57:40 "Just Charge" Jun 23 05:57:42 yea Jun 23 05:58:00 wifi? Jun 23 05:58:05 yep Jun 23 05:58:09 simple wep Jun 23 05:58:10 hey guys is there a way I can make numbers using Pain.net? Jun 23 05:58:19 so the wifi is basically going into sleep more Jun 23 05:59:08 there was a hack for the interface to stay powered Jun 23 05:59:23 do others not experience this? Jun 23 05:59:33 of corse. Jun 23 05:59:59 i guess just most folks are using novaterm + vi Jun 23 06:00:13 there is a fix/hack to prevent the wifi powering off when idle Jun 23 06:00:24 but im really going for app development and getting an IDE plugged up for that would be best Jun 23 06:00:40 i mean its not powering off Jun 23 06:00:44 it does. Jun 23 06:00:56 if you keep a tail -f /var/log/messages running Jun 23 06:01:02 its just hiccuping at regular intervals Jun 23 06:01:07 right. Jun 23 06:01:08 k Jun 23 06:01:20 i can almost guarentee its switching metrics Jun 23 06:01:27 or power cycling Jun 23 06:01:43 indeed youre right Jun 23 06:02:00 its no biggie Jun 23 06:02:04 can someone help me with paint please? im trying to make the dial numbers blue but they keep having white on the edges i cant manage to do a professional job Jun 23 06:02:12 this thing eats battery like a fat man eats pizza Jun 23 06:02:25 StrengthFreak: try using someone elses Jun 23 06:02:30 where? Jun 23 06:02:40 probably could use some more tuning along these lines anyhow (while it may put me at a disadvantage) Jun 23 06:02:41 there are some examples/downloads on the predev.wikidot.com website Jun 23 06:03:09 aight ill check it out Jun 23 06:03:12 thx Jun 23 06:03:18 StrengthFreak: not sure if we are all photoshop/paint pro's, may be trying an application called Gimp. and checking for help in #gimp Jun 23 06:03:28 thats a real professional photoshop alternative. Jun 23 06:03:34 uhm eats battery in what way? Jun 23 06:03:38 it's no worse than an iphone ;) Jun 23 06:03:59 pfft this aint no iphone Jun 23 06:04:12 im watching live tv, and irc'ing via linux. Jun 23 06:04:59 may be you can do that with an iphone but ah.. not with this style :P Jun 23 06:05:02 psykoz; end of day, just checking a few SMS, and talking < 15 mins, i have half battery contrasted with my old iphone which wouldnt probably even indicate any battery loss Jun 23 06:05:16 at same usage pattern Jun 23 06:05:20 rulethirty, compared to an iphone, this fucker is a joke Jun 23 06:05:32 but, 1.0.3 helped Jun 23 06:05:36 and logging out of AIM does wonders Jun 23 06:05:42 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Jun 23 06:05:44 turn off gps too Jun 23 06:05:46 thats one constant Jun 23 06:05:49 unless you really need it Jun 23 06:05:53 i dont Jun 23 06:06:04 i can make it through a day Jun 23 06:06:07 I idle my phone for a full day and it has 70% of battery life left Jun 23 06:06:09 about 8am to midnight Jun 23 06:06:11 with about 30 or so left now Jun 23 06:06:23 which really, i charge every night Jun 23 06:06:23 sucks yea Jun 23 06:06:24 so that works Jun 23 06:06:29 not to mention, charging is pretty fast Jun 23 06:06:35 an hour on the touchstone and its 3/4 charged Jun 23 06:06:55 you can blast the batter just youtubing for an hour Jun 23 06:07:21 how do i check if sshd is running? Jun 23 06:08:22 Technobabble: ps -aux will show you running procs , you can use the | to use a second command during the prior, use grep , so it would be ps -aux | grep ssh .. or | grep dropbear Jun 23 06:08:37 I ran through this, everything checked out fine, even when i tested sshing in on step 18 http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository Jun 23 06:08:38 there we go Jun 23 06:08:42 turned off GPS and AIM Jun 23 06:08:50 consistent < .1s pings Jun 23 06:08:57 howd do fix it? Jun 23 06:08:58 Someone want to check this real quick? http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods Jun 23 06:08:58 <.15s Jun 23 06:09:16 turned off AIM / GPS / BlutTooth* Jun 23 06:09:29 and that stopped the pings? yikes... Jun 23 06:09:40 no, pings improved Jun 23 06:09:43 yea Jun 23 06:09:45 was getting > 1.5s Jun 23 06:09:52 hrm, sshd doesn't seem to be running afte rthe reboot Jun 23 06:09:53 now < .15s Jun 23 06:10:18 Technobabble: what about dropbear? have you tryed to ssh -p 222 localhost Jun 23 06:10:29 * oc80z- wonders why we use port 222 Jun 23 06:11:03 i used a diff port Jun 23 06:11:31 in general i'd recommend a port >1023 Jun 23 06:11:34 i install openssh Jun 23 06:11:36 not dropbear Jun 23 06:11:43 Technobabble: ps -aux | grep ssh Jun 23 06:13:44 did you make the /etc/event* startup script? Jun 23 06:13:49 or netstat -an | grep 22 Jun 23 06:14:19 Technobabble: I had this problem too. Did you add the var remount to /etc/fstab? Jun 23 06:14:24 yeah, heh, why isnt 22 used? Jun 23 06:14:46 Dunno, that's how it's configured? I'm sure it's an easy edit to fix Jun 23 06:15:23 may be when people take off -i eth0.. less banner scans, and powerd events Jun 23 06:15:58 that is quite possible.. I don't need someone SYN flooding my pre.. Jun 23 06:16:09 .oO( Why is my pocket on fire all of a sudden?) Jun 23 06:16:42 yea Jun 23 06:17:18 heh, may be the banner scans, eg, port 22 sweeps for vulnerable SSH daemons Jun 23 06:17:33 dropbear has been known to be haxable Jun 23 06:17:36 how do i install bitchx on my palm pre? Jun 23 06:17:39 lol, right? Jun 23 06:17:44 acksez: i am using weechat Jun 23 06:17:52 =[ Jun 23 06:17:54 acksez: we need a BitchX ARM binary Jun 23 06:17:55 banners can be changed Jun 23 06:17:56 bx plz Jun 23 06:18:03 heh Jun 23 06:18:06 =P Jun 23 06:18:08 so are there scripts or something on a software level that control the devices entrance into USB mode? Jun 23 06:18:17 let me try it out Jun 23 06:18:24 whered you download it from? Jun 23 06:18:37 what? Jun 23 06:18:39 google. Jun 23 06:18:52 has anyone compiled the LED test Jun 23 06:18:55 is the filesystem jailed when you mount as USB ? Jun 23 06:19:03 anyonw know who might know a lot of details on that? Jun 23 06:19:05 oc80z: looks nice Jun 23 06:19:21 u compiled that eh, whatd u ipkg-opt install Jun 23 06:19:25 g++ c++ Jun 23 06:19:27 ?? Jun 23 06:20:10 you should try and compile bitchx :P Jun 23 06:20:21 then scp me the binary Jun 23 06:20:31 I just tailed my /var/log/messages when I disconnected/reconnected my Pre.. I don't see that it made any changes regarding the USB status Jun 23 06:20:47 firestorm: for mounting? Jun 23 06:20:59 well, any changes that didn't have to do with battery charging state Jun 23 06:21:18 oh, sorry, thought you meant on the pre itself. Jun 23 06:21:26 I dont' see anything from the Pre's standpoint. Jun 23 06:21:42 i wish i could fork this into the background,,, weechat Jun 23 06:21:53 does anyone else have an issue to where when you novaproxy in it works, but when you type nothing shows on the screen, but hitting enter shows what you typed and executes it? Jun 23 06:21:57 acksez: plz get bitchx and scp it to me heh Jun 23 06:22:00 static binary Jun 23 06:22:28 Technobabble: Listening on localhost port 8023. Launch PuTTY and connect to this port in RAW mode with 'Terminal -> Line dis Jun 23 06:22:30 cipline' options all set to 'Force off'. Jun 23 06:22:44 did that, it connects Jun 23 06:22:52 i see the root prompt and everything Jun 23 06:22:57 local echo auto Jun 23 06:22:59 but when i type, i don't see anything, but when i hit enter it's there Jun 23 06:23:05 cmon thats just a putty question Jun 23 06:23:16 *sigh* Jun 23 06:23:26 acksez: !! Jun 23 06:23:28 any other suggestions on what to install on my pre? Jun 23 06:23:37 now you got me curious. Anyone know off the top of their head how I can create a package from a compiled source package that is downloadable via ipkg-opt? Jun 23 06:23:45 oh yeah, there it is Jun 23 06:23:55 why would they tell me to force that off? Jun 23 06:23:56 acksez: openvpn Jun 23 06:24:12 acksez: then mount /media/internet/network to your openvpn smb server Jun 23 06:24:15 :P Jun 23 06:24:17 acksez - if the wifi supports it, look at kismet.. :) Jun 23 06:24:28 then play mp4/mp3 off openvpn :P Jun 23 06:24:41 aw shyyyyat Jun 23 06:24:46 genius Jun 23 06:24:48 I guess that'd be war-celling? Can you hear me now? No, but I can snipe your wifi.. :P Jun 23 06:24:49 i was going to post that tonight Jun 23 06:24:54 to wikidev Jun 23 06:25:00 but i friggin got no innernet here Jun 23 06:25:20 unconfirmed Jun 23 06:25:20 any sites to d\l openvpn? Jun 23 06:25:25 what can/cant we mount? Jun 23 06:25:27 wait tho.. Jun 23 06:25:35 acksez: ipkg-opt install openvpn Jun 23 06:25:49 it creates an openvpn connection through ssh using putty? Jun 23 06:25:57 er. Jun 23 06:26:13 yah- nm Jun 23 06:26:20 openvpn creates an SSL connection to your home computers openvpn server. Jun 23 06:26:58 someone did hamachi Jun 23 06:27:05 which is a bit better Jun 23 06:27:07 so you just use a client to connect onto your home serber? Jun 23 06:27:10 bleh- server Jun 23 06:27:11 hamachi> Jun 23 06:27:20 acksez: yea Jun 23 06:27:21 do you use no-ip.com if your on a dynamic? Jun 23 06:27:24 Is there a way to modify an app to log something? I'm trying to debug a db call, and it's getting frustrating :( Jun 23 06:28:13 JackieRipper: i know the appstore will pipe its palm:// pulls into /var/log/messages Jun 23 06:28:26 *shrug* i guess thats a start? Jun 23 06:28:35 * Robi- out Jun 23 06:28:41 later robix Jun 23 06:28:57 lets face it- most people are on dynamic Jun 23 06:29:28 :( i need to get with it mang Jun 23 06:29:51 on dynamic what Jun 23 06:29:59 i seriously want to start messing with the whole interface Jun 23 06:30:07 i just dont know where to start Jun 23 06:30:10 dynamic IPs Jun 23 06:30:14 is everything pretty much open source? Jun 23 06:30:25 DHCP client IPs or PPP (EvDO) Jun 23 06:30:26 yea acksez.. Jun 23 06:30:29 dynamic ip Jun 23 06:30:58 what program is used to modify the apps preinstalled the os? Jun 23 06:31:00 i published that inadyn script to get the metric IP/DNS'd Jun 23 06:31:01 or if you're on a cablemodem, your IP stays the same for freaking ever until you lose power.. :P It's a quasi-static IP Jun 23 06:31:51 firestorm: ever try cloning your palmpre EVDO/Wifi mac address into your home router Jun 23 06:32:09 damn Jun 23 06:32:11 mac address Jun 23 06:32:19 Thought about it, but my IP hasn't changed in almost a year. :P Jun 23 06:32:36 It'd be a shame to lose that address now and have to reconfigure three domains Jun 23 06:32:46 acksez: get me bitchx compiled :D Jun 23 06:33:07 firestorm: its all about dd-wrt man Jun 23 06:33:20 that's what I have on my edge. :) Jun 23 06:33:30 no u dont :P Jun 23 06:33:31 http://www.bitchx.com/download/BitchX-1.1-final-linux.tar.gz Jun 23 06:34:02 acksez: yeaaaa a Jun 23 06:34:05 oc80z: optware has a bitchx armel binary which runs on the Pre Jun 23 06:34:06 =P Jun 23 06:34:13 dd-wrt? Yes.. edge = edge router. Jun 23 06:34:26 oh werd? how come we have added native && kernel in the sources? Jun 23 06:34:45 yah- i heard someone was running it already Jun 23 06:34:49 cause we have natively compiled apps (ones which don't cross-compile for some reason) and kernel modules Jun 23 06:34:52 but that does remind me... I gotta set my Pre's mac into the server so it gets the same IP. Jun 23 06:35:00 oh for fd? Jun 23 06:35:09 or somthin else Jun 23 06:35:14 what's fd? Jun 23 06:35:19 ok imah look for bx's thing Jun 23 06:36:57 how is it that one ice cube can make 20oz of Dr.Pepper taste like crap? Jun 23 06:37:07 !! sorry, wrong window. Jun 23 06:37:08 is anyone working with Mojo SDK? Jun 23 06:37:28 no, but I am about to start. :P Jun 23 06:37:52 ftp it Jun 23 06:38:03 so i can get back into it Jun 23 06:38:12 BitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - Linux 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 Jun 23 06:38:14 woot. Jun 23 06:38:16 thanks boss! Jun 23 06:38:27 ;) Jun 23 06:38:31 (the ipkg-opt list grep irc was really grep IRC[case]) Jun 23 06:38:39 nice colors.... Jun 23 06:38:43 * oc80z- outside cigg Jun 23 06:38:54 dcc send plz? Jun 23 06:39:37 anyone tried/managed to boot the rootfs in qemu? Jun 23 06:39:44 acksez: please don't request redistribution of SDK's under NDA in this channel Jun 23 06:39:50 w00t Jun 23 06:39:54 :) Jun 23 06:40:05 havent typed that in ages Jun 23 06:40:56 =P my bad Jun 23 06:41:05 soooo..how can i get ssh-keygen? Jun 23 06:41:51 pazookie: it's in optware Jun 23 06:42:35 thats what i assumed..any idea why i cant run it? Jun 23 06:42:42 do i need to use the full path? Jun 23 06:44:24 heh Jun 23 06:44:41 yeah its /opt/bin/ssh-keygen Jun 23 06:44:55 i guess its a great thing that people are getting well aquainted with linux Jun 23 06:45:35 tshark - 1.2.0-1 - Terminal based wireshark to dump and analyze network traffic Jun 23 06:46:04 well im missing that Jun 23 06:46:19 im checking the feed directories and cant find anything Jun 23 06:46:48 pazookie did you install openssh or ah.. dropbear Jun 23 06:47:05 dropbear..tjats why right Jun 23 06:47:10 its part of openssh Jun 23 06:47:11 possibly Jun 23 06:47:14 yea i guess so Jun 23 06:47:16 :\ Jun 23 06:47:24 ill try that when i get back Jun 23 06:47:32 how much space extra is openssh Jun 23 06:47:32 I can't get sftp working with dropbear. Thinking about going to openssh... Jun 23 06:47:33 ssh-keygen -t rsa -o castlekey Jun 23 06:47:44 pazookie: dropbear has it's own keygen program Jun 23 06:47:51 yeah right? Jun 23 06:47:52 do ipkg files dropbear to see it Jun 23 06:48:30 /opt/sbin/dropbearkey Jun 23 06:48:57 Usage: ./dropbearkey -t -f [-s bits] Jun 23 06:48:57 Options are: Jun 23 06:48:57 -t type Type of key to generate. One of: Jun 23 06:48:57 rsa Jun 23 06:48:57 dss Jun 23 06:48:58 -f filename Use filename for the secret key Jun 23 06:49:00 -s bits Key size in bits, should be a multiple of 8 (optional) Jun 23 06:49:02 (DSS has a fixed size of 1024 bits) Jun 23 06:49:04 -y Just print the publickey and fingerprint for the Jun 23 06:49:06 private key in . Jun 23 06:49:08 crap, sorry about that. Jun 23 06:49:15 not a big deal Jun 23 06:49:56 a;right will try when i get back..going to get milk. thanx Jun 23 06:50:51 0xdecafbad <-- lol Jun 23 06:50:56 yo palm is crazy Jun 23 06:51:00 LOL.. Jun 23 06:51:21 what is that from? Jun 23 06:51:24 nothing Jun 23 06:51:40 novaproxy.py mentions that :P Jun 23 06:52:08 i also just found a console.log("wtf"); in the photos app Jun 23 06:52:36 yo 1.0.3 does autocorrect now right? Jun 23 06:52:48 i think it corrected 'tomorrow' Jun 23 06:53:52 tommorrow|tomorrow Jun 23 06:54:24 I know it used to for things like im->I'm Jun 23 06:54:36 at least in the messsages app Jun 23 06:55:01 yea, and email i think. Jun 23 06:55:05 *shrug* works for me. Jun 23 06:55:13 yeah heh Jun 23 06:57:58 hrmm Jun 23 07:01:05 need to fork datapipe over usb ;/ Jun 23 07:02:18 oc80z- usb networking instructions coming asap Jun 23 07:02:36 ok all, I think I'm going to head to bed. :) I'll see y'all later. Jun 23 07:02:39 via a novadata.py eh? Jun 23 07:02:59 NO Jun 23 07:03:02 usbnet Jun 23 07:03:16 oh ;] Jun 23 07:03:21 once you set it up, just ssh/sftp whatever over usb ip Jun 23 07:03:32 unless that doesnt meet your needs Jun 23 07:04:28 yeh that would work out. Jun 23 07:04:39 ...like right now Jun 23 07:05:01 ok Jun 23 07:05:08 *shrug* Jun 23 07:05:15 im waiting to check it in to git, but i can tell you how to do it until then Jun 23 07:05:27 you have windows? Jun 23 07:05:32 yea im on windows right now Jun 23 07:05:32 i dont have it working on os x yet Jun 23 07:05:35 ok Jun 23 07:05:43 on the pre "usbnet enable" Jun 23 07:05:46 and reboot it Jun 23 07:06:14 brb. Jun 23 07:06:15 emkman: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/usbnet-pre Jun 23 07:07:04 you should be able to push now Jun 23 07:07:46 sweet Jun 23 07:07:47 thanks Jun 23 07:08:07 very new to git, we'll see how this goes Jun 23 07:08:09 HEy all, does anyone know if the novacomd installer works on windows xp x64? Jun 23 07:08:44 emkman: I think EvanDotPro is our git expert ... Jun 23 07:09:24 ok, i want to give it a shot ... Jun 23 07:09:53 EvanDotPro: thx for using the correct id naming convention on the hello world sample app. Jun 23 07:10:21 rwhitby: no problem. Jun 23 07:11:01 emkman: let me know if you need any help with git. i've trained more people than i care to count on it, since it's all i let my employees use at work. ;-) Jun 23 07:11:14 awesome Jun 23 07:11:26 we use svn, we werent sure which way to go when we started Jun 23 07:11:34 probably wish i was on git Jun 23 07:11:38 now is a good chance to learn tho Jun 23 07:11:38 aye Jun 23 07:11:49 you will regret svn once you start using git, heh. Jun 23 07:12:07 ii'm a long time svn user, turned git. Jun 23 07:12:09 i need to pick up that driver heh Jun 23 07:13:04 hrm Jun 23 07:13:07 brb Jun 23 07:13:08 :( I can't get novaproxy working on windows Jun 23 07:13:46 oc80 Jun 23 07:13:47 ah Jun 23 07:13:56 windows ?? Jun 23 07:14:12 yeah xp 64 bit Jun 23 07:14:13 alright EvanDotPro, i give up Jun 23 07:14:17 hah Jun 23 07:14:28 you can PM me, or we can do it in here for the logs. Jun 23 07:14:29 git remote add origin git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/usbnet-pre.git didnt work Jun 23 07:14:47 here is fine if its not too cluttered Jun 23 07:14:47 here is good, for future reference. Jun 23 07:14:55 have you cloned a local copy yet? Jun 23 07:15:02 EvanDotPro: new repo Jun 23 07:15:03 *sigh* whats up Jun 23 07:15:05 initial commit Jun 23 07:15:13 Nerdhacker1: can you be more specific? Jun 23 07:15:23 nope, nope Jun 23 07:15:27 ill do that now Jun 23 07:15:35 sure, I did the kinami code and ran the installer which flashed a status bar then disappeared Jun 23 07:15:48 when I run novaproxy.py it says it cant find novacomd Jun 23 07:15:59 did you follow the steps Jun 23 07:16:05 and install teh driver Jun 23 07:16:08 did you dl the correct novacom drivers? Jun 23 07:16:08 :/ Jun 23 07:16:11 EvanDotPro: emkman needs to do the initial commit from a git init at his end - the repo is empty. Jun 23 07:16:15 yes, I'm not a total n00b Jun 23 07:16:16 yo emk thanks Jun 23 07:16:38 I see a "Palm Novacom" service in the service manager Jun 23 07:16:44 but when I try to start it it says file not found Jun 23 07:16:47 i have the local repo now Jun 23 07:17:10 emkman: have you set up an ssh key with gitorious? Jun 23 07:17:15 should I have used the _64 installer (I tried that too) Jun 23 07:17:15 yep Jun 23 07:17:16 in there Jun 23 07:17:20 great. Jun 23 07:17:28 okay, add whatever to your local repo. Jun 23 07:17:34 (initial files) Jun 23 07:17:34 yes, unistall 32bit Jun 23 07:17:36 first Jun 23 07:17:48 right, except it doesn't show up in the installed programs list Jun 23 07:18:10 emkman u got a url for the usb ethernet gadget driver Jun 23 07:18:14 grr. Jun 23 07:18:17 lynx'n it right now Jun 23 07:18:37 lol Jun 23 07:18:42 its in pastebin for ua Jun 23 07:18:43 one sec Jun 23 07:18:47 about to be in git too Jun 23 07:18:48 go to the device manager Jun 23 07:18:54 erright Jun 23 07:18:56 Webizard eh? Jun 23 07:18:58 and tell it to uninstall the drivers Jun 23 07:19:04 oh NErdHacker1 Jun 23 07:19:12 http://webos.pastebin.com/m17be9f7a Jun 23 07:19:14 t/y Jun 23 07:19:16 there you go Jun 23 07:19:23 save as usbnetpre.inf Jun 23 07:19:31 emkman: once you add the files you're trying to commit: git add . Jun 23 07:19:33 oc:thats my name don't wear it out! Jun 23 07:19:39 goto have disk in the add hardware wizard and navigate to that Jun 23 07:19:51 EvanDotPro, i want to push one folder with 1 file in it Jun 23 07:19:57 thats all, git add .? Jun 23 07:20:03 no add origion master etc? lol Jun 23 07:20:11 well, we're getting there. Jun 23 07:20:22 now you need to commit back to your local repo. Jun 23 07:20:31 emkman: git commit -a -m "initial commit" Jun 23 07:20:36 Jun 23 07:20:40 (you can change the comment to whatever) Jun 23 07:20:46 ok Jun 23 07:20:52 how can i see local status, just curious Jun 23 07:20:57 equiv of svn status Jun 23 07:20:59 ? Jun 23 07:21:18 git status Jun 23 07:21:19 go figure Jun 23 07:21:34 yea Jun 23 07:21:36 but ah.. Jun 23 07:21:40 yep, git status Jun 23 07:21:41 im stuck in lynx Jun 23 07:21:42 shit Jun 23 07:21:43 fg Jun 23 07:21:49 also git diff file/name.ext Jun 23 07:21:55 to see changes since last commit. Jun 23 07:22:05 cool Jun 23 07:22:20 so now that your've commited, git status should say no changes to commit. Jun 23 07:22:31 got it Jun 23 07:22:32 :D Jun 23 07:22:38 forgot highlight/ D Jun 23 07:22:40 !#$!#$ Jun 23 07:22:54 gunna usb/copy bbias Jun 23 07:23:55 ok i commited it Jun 23 07:24:23 emkman: alright, now to push Jun 23 07:24:28 ah Jun 23 07:24:32 so its just local now Jun 23 07:24:35 yep Jun 23 07:24:41 knew that Jun 23 07:24:41 col Jun 23 07:24:44 cool* Jun 23 07:25:07 now you'll add the remote origin Jun 23 07:25:18 ah Jun 23 07:25:19 ok Jun 23 07:25:25 git remote add origin git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/usbnet-pre.git Jun 23 07:26:00 has anyone tried the homebrew tip calc yet? Jun 23 07:26:11 then, git push origin master Jun 23 07:26:13 Bales: did they release the source to thatA? Jun 23 07:26:19 http://jwz.livejournal.com/1056137.html Jun 23 07:26:34 failed :( Jun 23 07:26:36 emkman: or if you're in master, you should just be able to do "git push" from then on. Jun 23 07:27:15 emkman: try just doing "git push git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/usbnet-pre.git master" Jun 23 07:27:23 git remote add origin git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/usbnet-pre.git atal: remote origin already exists. Jun 23 07:27:35 git remote add origin git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/usbnet-pre.git atal: remote origin already exists. Jun 23 07:27:40 oops Jun 23 07:27:43 oh, you alreary added it, heh. Jun 23 07:27:49 $ git push origin master fatal: protocol error: expected sha/ref, got '☻ ---------------------------------------------- The git:// url is read-only. Please see http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/usb net-pre for the push url, if you're a committer. ----------------------------------------------' Jun 23 07:28:06 Bales: oh, cool - that's Jamie Zawinski. Jun 23 07:28:11 something with my key is mess up Jun 23 07:28:18 or the push url Jun 23 07:28:19 he will definitely have source available :-) Jun 23 07:28:30 emkman: did you configure your name / email? Jun 23 07:28:36 yes Jun 23 07:28:44 it matches on the email address Jun 23 07:28:45 bah Jun 23 07:28:51 i'm a noob...should i know that name? Jun 23 07:28:59 emkman: if your email matches, double check your public key. Jun 23 07:29:03 Bales: only if you used Emacs 15 years ago Jun 23 07:29:09 XEmacs for that matter Jun 23 07:29:11 lol then no :P Jun 23 07:29:12 key is in their system Jun 23 07:29:24 email should match, but how do I know my local git sent the ket? Jun 23 07:29:26 key Jun 23 07:30:08 i guess i don't NEED a tip calc...but what the hell Jun 23 07:30:32 Hey the tip calc works pretty good. Jun 23 07:30:48 emkman: are you on windows / linux? Jun 23 07:30:55 installs in a unbelievably discreet manner though... scary Jun 23 07:31:07 lol yeah Jun 23 07:31:20 windows Jun 23 07:31:35 is there a config option to point git to my keys? Jun 23 07:32:51 well, i just normally use ssh-keygen and it throws it in my .ssh, and works... let me check the git config though. Jun 23 07:33:05 i dont see any paths in git config -l Jun 23 07:33:32 yeah, i don't think it works like that. Jun 23 07:33:58 i'm pretty sure git just uses the key(s) that's available... which is why it "just works" Jun 23 07:34:12 yeh Jun 23 07:34:17 it seems like the url is wrong Jun 23 07:34:17 but Jun 23 07:34:18 Webizard: indeed - imagine if it was a phishing link which you just clicked on ... Jun 23 07:34:23 i think its fine Jun 23 07:34:47 ugk, doing havedisk.. need to mod the inf to a ultimate 64bit driver, no? Jun 23 07:35:17 emkman: did you try "git push git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/usbnet-pre.git master" Jun 23 07:36:04 trying now Jun 23 07:36:09 i think i was missing the git@ somehow Jun 23 07:36:24 nice job anyways :D Jun 23 07:36:31 rwhitby: I know! but i wiki'd jamie and he real legit Jun 23 07:36:43 ah well im gonna go get some sleep, i'll come back tomorrow and ask when everyone isn't trying to fix git (which everyone keeps trying to rave to me about) Jun 23 07:36:44 \that worked Jun 23 07:36:46 thanks Jun 23 07:37:04 no problem. Jun 23 07:37:07 Webizard: oh, jamie is legit, no question about that. Jun 23 07:37:19 Webizard: I'm saying imagine it was some other black hat ... Jun 23 07:38:21 Yea... it really is quite scary and simple. I'm sure someone is working on something sinister as we speak. Jun 23 07:40:52 Webizard: I'm sure that Palm is plugging that hole as we speak. Jun 23 07:41:08 yeah i hope so Jun 23 07:41:14 They better be. Jun 23 07:41:15 but only as a prompt Jun 23 07:41:24 or worst case have to be in dev mode Jun 23 07:41:28 No i don't think only as a prompt Jun 23 07:41:36 yea dev mode Jun 23 07:42:19 it work out? Jun 23 07:42:51 My humble suggestion to Palm is to allow package installation in dev mode, but completely plug downloads of ipkgs from browser and email. Jun 23 07:43:03 Absolutley. Jun 23 07:43:47 how come Jun 23 07:44:00 agreed Jun 23 07:44:07 Stupid people mostly Jun 23 07:44:29 hmm Jun 23 07:44:31 ok... ignorant people Jun 23 07:44:41 wait....you don't want anyone to be able to download ipkgs at all? Jun 23 07:45:01 more harm that good Jun 23 07:45:14 no? Jun 23 07:45:33 installing gtk+ dependences Jun 23 07:45:41 EvanDotPro, i tried another push and I am not sure if i did something wrong Jun 23 07:45:48 tried to get fancy and do add and commit at once Jun 23 07:45:50 i have mixed feelings on that... palm os allowed prc files to be installed... i don't recall too much harm coming from that.. although, i do see the potential for abuse / problems. Jun 23 07:45:54 haha Jun 23 07:46:17 i always do them individually. Jun 23 07:46:19 git add . Jun 23 07:46:25 git commit -a -m "comment" Jun 23 07:46:32 did commit -a -m and it said that after there was nothing to update Jun 23 07:46:34 I dunno... we'll see how it turns out i guess Jun 23 07:46:42 so the commit revision shows up, and i can see a diff Jun 23 07:46:51 but im not sure if it shows up in the master Jun 23 07:47:20 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/usbnet-pre/commits/master Jun 23 07:47:34 i see it on the master. Jun 23 07:47:41 2 version tho? Jun 23 07:47:42 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/usbnet-pre/blobs/aabb68a5eeea25bd11248ba6663ca8a2207e4fbc/windows/usbnet-pre.inf Jun 23 07:47:44 is the latest Jun 23 07:48:15 okl Jun 23 07:48:22 gitorious is just slow to update the master Jun 23 07:48:25 must have been cached Jun 23 07:48:28 in the webview Jun 23 07:48:31 heh Jun 23 07:48:38 freakin me out Jun 23 07:48:47 yeah, it all looks good on my end. Jun 23 07:48:50 after i run though the adding the ipkg walkthough here http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository. i reboot but SSH doesn't come back up Jun 23 07:48:57 so you add normally as you go, and dont neccesarily commit? Jun 23 07:48:57 but before i rebooted, everything worked Jun 23 07:49:02 has anyone ever heared of that? Jun 23 07:49:50 i commit a ton while using git. Jun 23 07:50:10 hrm Jun 23 07:50:38 emkman: you only have to do git add . when you've added new files to the repo. Jun 23 07:50:45 Technobabble do /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install openssh Jun 23 07:50:55 or dropbear Jun 23 07:50:56 (the dot adds all new files... you can also target individual files to add) Jun 23 07:51:14 Technobabble put the configs listed in the wiki, in /etc/event.d Jun 23 07:51:45 you dont -have- to reboot you can cd /etc/event* ; initctl start webos-sshenabler Jun 23 07:51:58 oc, i did each step without skipping anything, i tested it like it says to in step 18 and i got connected, but after the reboot it doesn't work Jun 23 07:51:59 watch out for meh typos Jun 23 07:52:15 k, hold on Jun 23 07:52:23 then any time you make a significant change, you can commit it... if it's good, you can push.. etc. if you're playing with a feature or something new, you can checkout a branch, and then it leaves your master clean, while you play... all similar to svn, just less painful. Jun 23 07:52:29 yea? whats ls /etc/event.d/webos* show Jun 23 07:52:33 oc80z: we now call those scripts optware-dropbear and optware-openssh instead of webos-sshenabler Jun 23 07:52:48 ok Jun 23 07:53:03 disclaimer, watch for my typos :P Jun 23 07:53:14 yeah its been updating all day :D Jun 23 07:53:24 Technobabble its port 222 not 23 Jun 23 07:53:31 Technobabble how can you confirm that it is not running? Jun 23 07:54:37 * rwhitby bbl Jun 23 07:54:59 lata rwhitby Jun 23 07:55:23 hrm Jun 23 07:55:34 ls: /etc/event.d/webos*: No such file or directory Jun 23 07:55:36 * EvanDotPro sleep time. work in 5 hours. Jun 23 07:55:50 arg Jun 23 07:55:56 did you read waht rwhitby wrote Jun 23 07:56:10 its optware-openssh or optware-dropbear Jun 23 07:56:29 i don't see that in this page here Jun 23 07:56:37 ls -a Jun 23 07:56:44 ls /etc/event.d/opt* Jun 23 07:56:49 are we maybe talking about two different walkthroughs? Jun 23 07:57:11 /etc/event.d/optware-openssh Jun 23 07:57:35 i went the openssh route (obviously) Jun 23 07:57:49 ok Jun 23 07:57:55 so cd /etc/event.d Jun 23 07:58:07 its running man Jun 23 07:58:09 it has to be Jun 23 07:58:33 *shrug* Jun 23 07:58:57 what make you think its not? Jun 23 07:58:59 would ps aux | grep ssh show it? Jun 23 07:59:12 yea Jun 23 07:59:28 ps aux | grep ssh Jun 23 07:59:28 root 3221 0.0 0.2 2692 536 pts/0 S<+ 00:59 0:00 grep ssh Jun 23 07:59:33 all i show is that Jun 23 07:59:53 so, whats inside the optware-ssh script in event.d/ Jun 23 08:00:01 more Jun 23 08:00:04 Jun 23 08:00:42 if you are in /etc/event.d Jun 23 08:00:53 try initctl start optware-openssh Jun 23 08:01:31 *sigh* EvanDotPro , u still around Jun 23 08:01:38 I tryed to edit the dropbear script and after a reboot it did the samething... Jun 23 08:01:52 i don't know why Jun 23 08:01:53 oc, it shows the 6 lines of it starting up Jun 23 08:02:01 yeah... i need to turn off pings when i go lay down though... Jun 23 08:02:01 i can pastebin them if you want Jun 23 08:02:01 so is it runnign now? Jun 23 08:02:12 but if i ps aux it again, nothing Jun 23 08:02:36 paste it here Jun 23 08:02:44 EvanDotPro hrm Jun 23 08:02:48 didi you check what was in the script? Jun 23 08:02:48 EvanDotPro where evt go Jun 23 08:02:59 it's 8 lines, are you sure? Jun 23 08:03:08 re usbnet , lookn to install on 64bit ;/ Jun 23 08:03:23 yea just paste it brah Jun 23 08:03:56 http://pastebin.ca/1470838 Jun 23 08:03:59 already pastebin'd it Jun 23 08:04:06 oc80z_: honestly i don't know about usbnet. i was just helping him get git working. Jun 23 08:04:16 he pingd off.. :/ Jun 23 08:04:24 yeah, i saw that. Jun 23 08:04:34 it's late... wait until tomorrow, heh. Jun 23 08:04:58 *shrug* 3rd shift Jun 23 08:05:00 tech: paste the ssh script Jun 23 08:05:08 whats up with technos script eh? Jun 23 08:05:11 yea plz do Jun 23 08:05:13 3rd +1 lol Jun 23 08:05:23 Webizard, what would i do to show that? Jun 23 08:05:35 more Jun 23 08:05:36 cat optware-ssh Jun 23 08:05:36 Jun 23 08:05:38 * EvanDotPro lays back down. Jun 23 08:05:43 or yea Jun 23 08:05:45 that Jun 23 08:05:46 EvanDotPro w000000000000000000000000p Jun 23 08:06:10 * EvanDotPro is reminded to turn off speakers Jun 23 08:06:13 http://pastebin.ca/1470839 Jun 23 08:06:16 there ya go ^ Jun 23 08:07:40 heh. EvanDotPro :P Jun 23 08:08:14 looks ok... did you edit anything before? Jun 23 08:08:28 i promise guys, i followed every step and didn't skip anything Jun 23 08:08:40 nope, just got the phone yesterday Jun 23 08:08:51 should i try running the wipe on it and restore it to default and try again? Jun 23 08:08:59 no wipe lol Jun 23 08:09:01 for what? Jun 23 08:09:11 the problem is ssh right? Jun 23 08:09:19 that's the thing, i'm not sure Jun 23 08:09:25 i can ping the wifi no problem Jun 23 08:09:43 ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.202 port 222: Connection refused Jun 23 08:09:51 but ssh is refused, and it doesn't appear to be running Jun 23 08:10:09 even though, as you can see from my pastebin, it looks like it starts Jun 23 08:11:05 I need a little help. when i use wget http:// and so on it always comes back with server returned error: HTTP/1.1 404 not found for the Optware Jun 23 08:11:06 what tut are you doing? Jun 23 08:11:28 prenoob: check for typos Jun 23 08:11:38 web: http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository Jun 23 08:11:41 I have been through it many times Jun 23 08:11:55 you rooting? Jun 23 08:11:57 preNoob what wget url? Jun 23 08:12:13 technobabble what os? Jun 23 08:12:32 just curious Jun 23 08:12:48 i used windows, but i have fedora as my usual os Jun 23 08:12:51 xp Jun 23 08:12:57 k Jun 23 08:13:16 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1arme1/cross/stable/ipkg.-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk Jun 23 08:13:22 ok. Jun 23 08:13:34 period after opt? Jun 23 08:13:41 right? Jun 23 08:13:45 get that typo out of here Jun 23 08:13:48 lol Jun 23 08:13:53 learn and live by copy and paste Jun 23 08:14:07 fa sho Jun 23 08:14:22 so the above url is right? Jun 23 08:14:32 no. there is a period after ipkg Jun 23 08:14:32 :| Jun 23 08:14:48 the second ipkg Jun 23 08:14:58 there isn't suppose to be Jun 23 08:15:15 ya there isn't one on putty though Jun 23 08:15:55 ? Jun 23 08:16:01 putty? Jun 23 08:16:04 guy, you have a typo Jun 23 08:16:08 what are you doing? Jun 23 08:16:22 just copy and paste from the wikipage into putty Jun 23 08:16:30 how Jun 23 08:16:47 :| Jun 23 08:17:00 lol nvm i know Jun 23 08:17:15 are you an iphone troll? Jun 23 08:17:18 heh Jun 23 08:17:20 lol Jun 23 08:17:21 sorry duh Jun 23 08:17:22 no Jun 23 08:17:22 * Technobabble ducks Jun 23 08:17:24 no Jun 23 08:17:31 copy and paste? what's that? Jun 23 08:17:33 cause you just asked how do you cut and paste Jun 23 08:17:33 :) Jun 23 08:17:36 HEH Jun 23 08:17:42 ya sorry about that Jun 23 08:17:45 hey tech why don't you try dropbear Jun 23 08:17:47 yeah, that was pretty bad Jun 23 08:17:57 or try to unisntall ssh and reinstall Jun 23 08:18:05 Webizard, okay, would have to uninstall openssh? Jun 23 08:18:23 well, i guess we could try to uninstall openssh and reinstall it again Jun 23 08:18:28 well... not if you stop the service Jun 23 08:18:40 or use a diff port Jun 23 08:18:45 well, the problem is, i'm not sure if it's running in the first place Jun 23 08:19:01 try a reinstall then Jun 23 08:19:08 http://pastebin.ca/1470839 if you look here, it looks like it starts, but then when i ps aux it, it's not there Jun 23 08:19:40 try running the sshd command w/o the script Jun 23 08:19:41 see if it runs prior to boot and and cross reference ps aux Jun 23 08:19:45 try reading a log Jun 23 08:20:27 initctl start optware-openssh <-- this one? Jun 23 08:21:01 that is to start the service Jun 23 08:21:04 no. Jun 23 08:21:05 sshd Jun 23 08:21:08 inside Jun 23 08:21:12 the script u posted Jun 23 08:22:36 how you doing prenoob? Jun 23 08:22:43 exec /opt/sbin/sshd -D -p 222 -o "PermitRootLogin without-password" this one? Jun 23 08:23:02 yea whats that -D switch do Jun 23 08:23:34 not sure, i didn't edit it, it's the way it came Jun 23 08:23:45 something with domain Jun 23 08:23:59 Woo! that crashed putty Jun 23 08:24:32 may be change that and edit in -f config file Jun 23 08:24:35 uncomment #SyslogFacility AUTH Jun 23 08:24:35 #LogLevel INFO Jun 23 08:24:51 http://predev.wikidot.com/usbnet-setup Jun 23 08:25:01 if anyone wants to try it out, get DNS resolving Jun 23 08:25:13 emkman !! :D Jun 23 08:25:15 wb! Jun 23 08:25:20 thanks Jun 23 08:25:21 yeayeayea Jun 23 08:25:27 how about support for 64?? Jun 23 08:25:31 i think that crashed novaproxy Jun 23 08:25:35 ah Jun 23 08:25:38 you want it already Jun 23 08:25:59 i think its easy Jun 23 08:26:31 for what 64bit support?> Jun 23 08:26:40 just replae xp with like vista in the inf no? Jun 23 08:27:08 http://docwiki.gumstix.org/index.php/Windows_XP_usbnet Jun 23 08:27:11 go to step 7 Jun 23 08:27:18 it has instructions for values to change Jun 23 08:27:23 let me know if it works Jun 23 08:27:27 ok emkman Jun 23 08:27:28 we can add it to the repo as well Jun 23 08:27:38 i will do it, han gloose Jun 23 08:27:40 oc, that line crashes putty/nova Jun 23 08:27:46 exec /opt/sbin/sshd -D -p 222 -o "PermitRootLogin without-password" Jun 23 08:28:05 u dont need exec Jun 23 08:28:05 not sure which one caused it, but putty closes and the nova script ends Jun 23 08:28:05 looks like just 2 little changes Jun 23 08:28:11 but, dont change USB\VID_ Jun 23 08:28:13 ok emk wasent shure Jun 23 08:28:38 Just NT.5.1 to NTamd64 Jun 23 08:29:23 god, this is so weird. check this out Jun 23 08:29:36 root@castle:/# /opt/sbin/sshd -D -p 222 -o "PermitRootLogin without-password" /opt/sbin/sshd -D -p 222 -o "PermitRootLogin without-password" Jun 23 08:29:50 /bin/sh: /opt/sbin/sshd: not found Jun 23 08:30:01 but when i run the script, it runs. Jun 23 08:32:25 hey eck what about 7 for the usbnet Jun 23 08:32:30 win7* Jun 23 08:32:41 no go? Jun 23 08:33:57 Webizard, is there a walkthrough for uninstalling openssh? Jun 23 08:34:07 yea i'll right you one Jun 23 08:34:25 well, you might be able to just use the other one as a base Jun 23 08:34:26 go over to event.d Jun 23 08:34:39 unistall optware-openssh Jun 23 08:34:43 i know i would have to make the root os rw again Jun 23 08:35:44 if you've rebooted since last you commanded it then yea Jun 23 08:36:45 installed. Jun 23 08:36:47 :D Jun 23 08:36:54 step 21 says to reboot, so i did Jun 23 08:37:11 hey oc are you on xp? Jun 23 08:38:12 ok so make it writable cd to event.d and unistall optware-opssh Jun 23 08:38:24 excuse the spelling. Jun 23 08:39:12 ipkg-opt uninstall openssh right? Jun 23 08:40:55 yea sorry that should work too Jun 23 08:41:11 root@castle:/etc/event.d# ipkg-opt uninstall openssh Jun 23 08:41:11 ipkg-opt uninstall openssh Jun 23 08:41:17 wduup Jun 23 08:41:23 /bin/sh: ipkg-opt: not found Jun 23 08:41:24 actually its remove lol Jun 23 08:41:44 when i entered password i accidentally re-entered it differently anyway to fix this Jun 23 08:41:54 yea Jun 23 08:41:57 that happen to me too Jun 23 08:42:02 me too Jun 23 08:42:08 lol ok Jun 23 08:42:09 maybe it doesn't set it right Jun 23 08:42:14 so what do i do then Jun 23 08:42:26 passwd Jun 23 08:42:30 wait Jun 23 08:42:34 this is for the username? Jun 23 08:42:46 just make a new name Jun 23 08:42:55 did you create the user already? Jun 23 08:43:03 no i set my name but added 2 different pwd's Jun 23 08:43:10 ya Jun 23 08:43:13 passwd will work Jun 23 08:44:48 Webizard, what would be a good way to just start this over and make sure i didn't skip something? Jun 23 08:45:05 there's nothing in the phone i would lose by wiping it Jun 23 08:45:09 techno when i uninstalled dropbear i cd over to event.d and remove optware-dropbear and then re-installed and it worked great Jun 23 08:45:31 /bin/sh: ipkg-opt: not found Jun 23 08:45:33 i get that Jun 23 08:45:36 then wipe if you'd like but i don't know if it has an image of its own rom to change the rom back Jun 23 08:45:54 don't ipkg-opt Jun 23 08:45:56 sorry i disseapered oc80z_ Jun 23 08:46:00 looks like it worked? Jun 23 08:46:10 just remove optware-openssh Jun 23 08:46:12 thanks Jun 23 08:46:29 in event.d Jun 23 08:46:49 /etc/event.d? Jun 23 08:46:54 yup Jun 23 08:47:05 root@castle:/etc/event.d# remove optware-openssh Jun 23 08:47:12 /bin/sh: remove: not found Jun 23 08:47:47 lololol Jun 23 08:47:51 when i try to get in with ssh -p i get permission denied do i need to use su- Jun 23 08:47:51 lol Jun 23 08:47:53 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/186873-help-installed-both-ssh-programs-how-do-i-remove-openssh.html Jun 23 08:47:55 restart from scratch Technobabble Jun 23 08:48:03 heh Jun 23 08:48:09 oc, that's what i was thinkin Jun 23 08:48:16 web, i'll have a stab at that, thanks Jun 23 08:48:18 have you installed ipkg-opt? Jun 23 08:48:19 and update? Jun 23 08:48:24 etc..? Jun 23 08:48:35 yup, i couldn't have install openssh without it Jun 23 08:48:39 i don't think anyway Jun 23 08:48:48 i didn't skip any steps, i promise Jun 23 08:49:53 ... /opt/bin/ipkg-opt remove openssh says what again? Jun 23 08:50:05 wait.. Jun 23 08:50:12 Do I need to enable SUDO to get access into SSH Jun 23 08:50:14 maybe my mount failed? Jun 23 08:50:24 prenoob: do it Jun 23 08:50:24 check this out Jun 23 08:50:37 /opt/bin/ipkg-opt remove openssh Jun 23 08:50:48 /bin/sh: /opt/bin/ipkg-opt: not found Jun 23 08:50:55 lol Jun 23 08:51:27 wtf Jun 23 08:51:36 maybe you didn't install optware? Jun 23 08:51:36 maybe step 2a failed? Jun 23 08:51:52 2a. Create your new opt directory in /var, and arrange for it to be mounted at boot: Jun 23 08:52:00 mkdir /var/opt Jun 23 08:52:00 mkdir /opt Jun 23 08:52:00 mount -o bind /var/opt /opt Jun 23 08:52:00 echo '/var/opt /opt bind defaults,bind 0 0' >>/etc/fstab Jun 23 08:52:07 thats a very important step Jun 23 08:52:31 thats so you don't modify webos internals directly Jun 23 08:52:53 you want to leave the palm packages alone Jun 23 08:53:14 i didn't skip it, lets see Jun 23 08:53:17 i suggest you dl webosdoctor and start again Jun 23 08:53:33 already have it, let me try it Jun 23 08:53:39 what do you show in /opt? Jun 23 08:53:45 my /opt is empty Jun 23 08:53:56 ls /var/opt Jun 23 08:53:56 bin etc lib sbin var Jun 23 08:53:56 doc include libexec share Jun 23 08:54:16 cat /etc/fstab Jun 23 08:54:19 still saying permission denied Jun 23 08:54:20 er Jun 23 08:54:28 preNoob, what is? Jun 23 08:55:09 when i use ssh -p 222 Jun 23 08:55:51 drop bear or openssh? Jun 23 08:56:04 openssh Jun 23 08:56:09 connection refused or permission denied? Jun 23 08:56:17 permission denied Jun 23 08:56:18 yea it should be connection refused Jun 23 08:56:30 web, it might have been line 4 on 2a. rebooting now Jun 23 08:56:53 let me know Jun 23 08:57:19 prenoob: you finished the optware feed tut? skip anything? Jun 23 08:57:44 ya i finished Jun 23 08:57:46 web, what's the last line of your fstab? Jun 23 08:58:11 is it from line 4 of 2a? Jun 23 08:58:17 hmm what happens if i take the images i edited out of the usb folder will it reset to default?? Jun 23 08:58:21 got to the end but when i try to use ssh -p it gives my permission denied when i add my password Jun 23 08:58:31 i'll check but i gotta but up xp Jun 23 08:58:37 no wireless at work to work with Jun 23 08:58:44 web, no worries, i'll check in a minute Jun 23 08:58:54 preNoob, tried root@ipaddr? Jun 23 08:59:15 ssh -p 222 root@192.168.x.xish Jun 23 08:59:30 did you change your pw when you typed to diff ones while in root? Jun 23 08:59:45 web, that fixed it. Jun 23 08:59:55 hurray! Jun 23 08:59:56 it's up and running now Jun 23 09:00:00 no did ssh -p 222 PRE-my name here@192.168.x.x Jun 23 09:00:08 that was very interesting Jun 23 09:00:14 ya i changed my passwd Jun 23 09:00:16 t'was Jun 23 09:00:25 thanks for your help Jun 23 09:00:34 didn't do much but your welcome Jun 23 09:00:37 along with OC, thank you Jun 23 09:00:43 web, that's the best kind Jun 23 09:00:55 lol true. Jun 23 09:01:08 preNoob, okay you're rooted in with nova, right? Jun 23 09:01:23 umm...yes Jun 23 09:01:25 pre: you are connecting to you pre and just can't authenticate? Jun 23 09:02:13 connected to pre but permission denied when using ssh -p 222 Jun 23 09:02:36 as root do a passwd Jun 23 09:03:10 set the new pass, and try to ssh -p 222 thatUsername@192.168.x.x Jun 23 09:03:13 ok asking for new pass again Jun 23 09:03:14 so username + passwd = permission denied Jun 23 09:03:42 ok make it one you can remember;) Jun 23 09:03:52 ;) Jun 23 09:04:04 ahh got it Jun 23 09:04:07 dengue@192.168.2.202's password: Jun 23 09:04:07 Permission denied, please try again. Jun 23 09:04:07 thanks Jun 23 09:04:12 you got that, right ^ Jun 23 09:04:19 did not no more Jun 23 09:04:28 so your good? Jun 23 09:04:51 good i was adding ssh -p 222 PRE-then my user name@ Jun 23 09:04:54 ha Jun 23 09:05:17 pre. both of us got our passes wrong on our first setup, not sure if we all messed up the same or if it's messed up on it's own Jun 23 09:05:18 the damn PRE Jun 23 09:05:31 what made you put that in there?lol Jun 23 09:05:50 damn reboots take for ever Jun 23 09:06:03 lol the tut Jun 23 09:06:03 its cause of that "bad: weak password" Jun 23 09:06:08 that too Jun 23 09:06:15 but my password was fine Jun 23 09:06:32 i added some !!!!'s to mine, then it was okay Jun 23 09:06:46 on the tut it says ssh -p 222 PRE-USERNAME@ Jun 23 09:06:59 so i figured my username goes after PRE- Jun 23 09:07:05 oh lol Jun 23 09:07:08 yeah Jun 23 09:07:09 yeah, that's logical, but wrong Jun 23 09:07:15 lol thanks Jun 23 09:07:28 it's funny when people type the brackets when we tell them passwd Jun 23 09:07:35 Jun 23 09:07:36 lol Jun 23 09:07:41 i was just gonna say that Jun 23 09:08:02 it was that damn uppercased PRE Jun 23 09:08:43 yea its tricky but still. unless you make your username "pre-****" the os isn't gonna change it Jun 23 09:09:07 i'm not sure if i'll ever get over my windows "just format and start over" mentality Jun 23 09:09:07 thnaks for the helps Jun 23 09:09:19 yup Jun 23 09:09:25 np, noob Jun 23 09:09:25 did all this mainly for that damn dialer screen Jun 23 09:09:28 i format and start over every couple months lol Jun 23 09:09:28 lol Jun 23 09:09:31 glad a noob like me could actually help Jun 23 09:09:38 yea im a noob too Jun 23 09:09:59 atleast compared to the monster geeks on here ;) Jun 23 09:10:28 it's funny, i'm like the best computer person anyone around here knows, and i'm such a newb compared to most of you guys Jun 23 09:11:34 same here. i work in a computer enviroment where no one knows how to use anything beyond start>>solitaire Jun 23 09:12:19 lol Jun 23 09:13:00 so after we're done with this, we should turn off dev mode, right? Jun 23 09:13:02 So what are you going to do to your pre now that you have it ready? Jun 23 09:13:10 so it says to turn off DEV mode when done Jun 23 09:13:20 oh u just asked that Jun 23 09:13:26 * Technobabble pushes preNoob aside Jun 23 09:13:31 me first! Jun 23 09:13:46 yea def Jun 23 09:13:48 do i enter openssh the same way then Jun 23 09:13:48 i'm actually gonna nmap it and see what it does Jun 23 09:13:58 lol awesome Jun 23 09:14:21 nmap before you turn off dev Jun 23 09:14:21 heh, nmap says it's down Jun 23 09:14:25 but it returns a ping Jun 23 09:14:38 even with dev on? Jun 23 09:15:01 is it -p0 or P0? Jun 23 09:15:19 P0 Jun 23 09:15:33 -P0 Jun 23 09:16:04 is there an ftp server on this? Jun 23 09:16:16 21/tcp open ftp Jun 23 09:16:16 113/tcp closed auth Jun 23 09:16:16 222/tcp open rsh-spx Jun 23 09:16:24 you can set up an sftp... should be a tut on the wiki Jun 23 09:16:30 wdup Jun 23 09:16:55 oc did you do that usbnet? Jun 23 09:18:45 oc, thanks for your help before Jun 23 09:18:55 turns out it was a missing mount from /var/opt Jun 23 09:19:05 line 4 of step 2a Jun 23 09:19:27 i think he just drops in to say hi lol Jun 23 09:19:52 uh oh... it's not booting back up after i turned dev off Jun 23 09:21:20 mine did but i can't get into ssh using PuTTY Jun 23 09:21:28 do a battery pull Jun 23 09:21:35 did one... Jun 23 09:21:41 nothing? Jun 23 09:22:03 there it goes Jun 23 09:22:08 few... Jun 23 09:22:12 * Technobabble shakes his fist as his phone Jun 23 09:22:15 don't scare me like that! Jun 23 09:22:21 lol Jun 23 09:22:25 preNoob, what's the error Jun 23 09:22:59 connection refused? Jun 23 09:23:26 no error just not familiar with SSH and PuTTY Jun 23 09:23:31 Technobabble it work yet? Jun 23 09:23:42 Technobabble heh Jun 23 09:23:49 u started from scratch? Jun 23 09:23:53 oc, yeah turns out i missed line 4 of step 2a where it sets up the mount in fstab Jun 23 09:24:20 so it couldn't access any of the stuff we had installed Jun 23 09:24:27 preNoob, wait how did you get in before? Jun 23 09:24:55 thru telnet then during root i added ssh -p Jun 23 09:25:03 now that i have dev off Jun 23 09:25:05 oops Jun 23 09:25:20 ok i ssh into phone using PuTTY Jun 23 09:25:37 you forgot to change to ssh or change the port number right? Jun 23 09:25:59 LOL no worst i'm tired, in ip field i added my name Jun 23 09:26:07 LOL Jun 23 09:26:17 preNoob, how late is it where you live? Jun 23 09:26:35 Is it 5:38am like here? Jun 23 09:26:54 almost 2:30 here Jun 23 09:27:09 yea i ment 5:28 Jun 23 09:27:15 222 shows as closed on nmap, but ssh is still works. Jun 23 09:27:27 so... ftp is still there Jun 23 09:28:04 hmmm Jun 23 09:29:27 not sure if it works though, root and my user won't log in Jun 23 09:29:56 can u use Winscp too Jun 23 09:30:34 yeah Jun 23 09:30:37 if you want Jun 23 09:30:47 do you guys know if 21 is actually FTP or something else? Jun 23 09:31:15 you mean normally? Jun 23 09:31:43 on the pre, i nmaped it and got 21/tcp open ftp Jun 23 09:31:43 113/tcp closed auth Jun 23 09:31:53 but it just times out Jun 23 09:38:11 weird, I can't find port 21 in my netstat, but it is accepting connections (but not doing anything with them) Jun 23 09:38:26 is my passwd for sudo the same as my login passwd Jun 23 09:38:47 sudo's pass is the pass for that user, not for root Jun 23 09:39:20 aubilenon, does it show up in your nmap -P0 192.168.x.x ? Jun 23 09:39:29 port 21 open, i mean Jun 23 09:39:30 so how do i go about finding that Jun 23 09:39:52 preNoob, it's the one we had you set about TWO minutes ago with passwd Jun 23 09:40:14 technobabble: well if it accepts connections nmap will find it Jun 23 09:40:43 I don't have nmap handy on my windows host, but finding the fact that a port is open is exactly what it's for Jun 23 09:40:45 aubilenon, my question was more along the lines of is it actually FTP accepting connections on 21? or some other program using 21 for some odd reason Jun 23 09:41:00 I can't find any program that's using port 21 Jun 23 09:41:03 but clearly something is Jun 23 09:41:11 'cause ftp just times out Jun 23 09:41:14 for me Jun 23 09:41:22 i tried that passwd but nothing Jun 23 09:42:02 pre, i'm no expert on sudo. i don't realy like it actually Jun 23 09:42:15 maybe check the manual on it, i think it's the user's pass, not root's Jun 23 09:42:29 yeah its the user's pass Jun 23 09:42:44 you can edit the sudoers file to disable password for the user if you want Jun 23 09:42:53 but its there for security reasons Jun 23 09:43:53 how Jun 23 09:43:54 okay, with that i'm off to bed before 3am rolls around again Jun 23 09:44:11 cause i can't change or do much i get permission denied Jun 23 09:44:14 pre, are you sure you're typing the pass right? Jun 23 09:44:24 fucking bullshit. Sprint charged me $18 "activation fee" Jun 23 09:44:47 it says my username is not in the sudoers file Jun 23 09:44:47 they better not have charge me one of those, i bought mine on ebay Jun 23 09:46:48 anyone know why IDENT port 113 would be even responding on a Pre? (it shows CLOSED according to nmap, but still I'm curious) Jun 23 09:47:25 same here, actually Jun 23 09:47:40 do netstat -an and look at port 8083. Jun 23 09:47:54 the java server's opened the port. Jun 23 09:49:44 or better yet, netstat -an | grep 8083 will give you PID, then fuser -n TCP {PID} will return another PID (can't recall it's real name), then ps auwx | grep {PID from fuser's output} Jun 23 09:49:53 http://java.sun.com/javase/technologies/core/basic/rmi/index.jsp Jun 23 09:50:00 thats what some googling says its used for Jun 23 09:50:04 anf you have the java server's commandline. Jun 23 09:50:34 oooOOOooo.. bet this is the remote hook for the killall Jun 23 09:51:14 maybe something to let apps talk back to the luna interface or somethin like that Jun 23 09:52:12 Hmm.. thanks for the link. I've got a telnet session to my WifiIP, want to see if it times out. Jun 23 09:52:38 no, didn't time out, was terminated. Jun 23 09:53:38 well, I'd better not mess with it, don't want to raise the ire of Palm on the first day with the Pre. :P Jun 23 09:54:13 use the pre browser to look at http://localhost:8083 and you get some "VM Heap Internals" Jun 23 09:55:46 looks like that's luna stuff? Jun 23 09:56:42 oh man this is good stuff Jun 23 09:56:52 the thread stats looks like luna apps Jun 23 09:56:55 Yes. there's a lot of nice stuff in here. :) Jun 23 09:57:05 yeah, looks like Luna stuff for sure though. Jun 23 09:58:09 Hmm... org/freedesktop/minidbus/MethodCall... Wasn't there an X11 suite called Freedesktop or has my caffiene buzz not kicked in yet? Jun 23 09:58:45 !! freedesktop.org - freedesktop.org is open source / open discussion software projects working on interoperability and shared technology for X Window System desktops. Jun 23 09:59:22 If this is the case, maybe this means we could get something like xfce or similar native on the pre? Jun 23 09:59:35 hah, there's a lot of file descriptors for /dev/null Jun 23 10:00:14 How do i delete a user Jun 23 10:00:18 freedesktop project is about standardizing the desktops so they support things like notification icons so an app works the same on like gnome and kde etc. Jun 23 10:00:32 I bet I could get a iptables rule to allow me to download a copy of this dump Jun 23 10:00:50 ok, so it's inter-element communication within an X11 system. Jun 23 10:00:59 sorry should've been a ? Jun 23 10:01:09 click on the standards link, it lists everything Jun 23 10:01:40 on freedesktop.org i mean Jun 23 10:03:43 I see it, sorry, my SSH session timed out and was trying to get bash on the pre. Jun 23 10:03:59 thank god, I have VIM now.. :P Jun 23 10:04:24 usbnet works on win 7 incase anyone was wondering Jun 23 10:04:53 cool! Jun 23 10:09:28 Hmm.. now i'm either really thinking hard or just sleep deprived. I was looking at the thttpd server and I see it does vhost capability. I wonder if it's possible to get it to listen on two ports, like 80 for web requests and port 8080 only on localhost for the ajaxphpterm? Jun 23 10:10:08 i think someone already did something like that Jun 23 10:10:30 but ive been out of the loop, no idea where the info is. heh Jun 23 10:10:34 I know the wiki shows the instructions for phpterm, but I haven't heard anything about dual-hosting. Jun 23 10:11:01 there is lighttpd and nginx as well Jun 23 10:11:13 oh wait those don't do php. heh Jun 23 10:12:08 lol.. was thinking of a quick and dirty online photo album. I was planning to map a subdomain to the Pre's IP (updated via dynDNS or similar) Jun 23 10:12:26 Sure just go to the subdomain.mysite.com and browse. :P Jun 23 10:13:27 I could try my hand at shoehorning Apache in here, but I think apache's overkill for PHP support + limited vhost support. Not trying to serve the entire internets off my phone, just a few people that might know my domain. Jun 23 10:13:46 or am I off the ol' rocker? Jun 23 10:13:48 i think this is what people were using http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mressl/webshell/ Jun 23 10:13:56 runs in python, has its own server Jun 23 10:14:14 http://predev.wikidot.com/ajaxphpterm - where I got the idea about a small httpd server Jun 23 10:14:33 I'll take a look at that one too though. Not having to find a PC to do terminal stuff would be nice. Jun 23 10:17:34 When i try to root with sudo i get syntax error how do i go about fixing that Jun 23 10:18:15 copy/paste the error Jun 23 10:18:35 >>> /opt/etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 32 <<< Jun 23 10:18:46 whats on line 32 Jun 23 10:19:15 sudo: parse error in /opt/etc/sudoers near line 32 Jun 23 10:19:18 sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting Jun 23 10:19:35 can you do "su - root" Jun 23 10:20:16 su: must be suid to work properly Jun 23 10:20:23 ahh Jun 23 10:20:31 you gotta chmod sudo Jun 23 10:20:44 chmod +x (wherever sudo is) Jun 23 10:21:00 no, sudo is running Jun 23 10:21:01 nah its gotta be setuid root actually Jun 23 10:21:11 chmod 4755 Jun 23 10:21:17 sudo is outputting the errors about the sudoers file Jun 23 10:21:35 True PullingJ.. :) Sorry about that. Jun 23 10:21:36 the last line of his sudoers file is probably missing his user name and just sayss all(all)=all Jun 23 10:21:57 so how do i go about fixing that Jun 23 10:22:09 edit the sudoers file as root Jun 23 10:22:43 preNoob, type "whoami" and hope it returns "root" Jun 23 10:23:05 it does return as root Jun 23 10:23:10 yourusername ALL=(ALL) ALL Jun 23 10:23:12 thank goodness. Jun 23 10:23:26 vi /etc/sudoers Jun 23 10:23:28 hi Jun 23 10:23:29 type that joshua Jun 23 10:23:33 ? Jun 23 10:23:53 if your username is "tacos" then the line would look like this: Jun 23 10:23:53 you have be root and then edit it with vi like firestorm put Jun 23 10:24:10 tacos ALL=(ALL) ALL Jun 23 10:24:35 or to make it easier.. /opt/bin/ipkg nano then use nano :) Jun 23 10:24:42 err /opt/bin/ipkg install nano Jun 23 10:24:46 lol, that works. :) Jun 23 10:24:58 :D Jun 23 10:25:09 its just a pain to have to explain vi to people who are linux n00bs :) Jun 23 10:25:22 sigh Jun 23 10:25:39 I heard that.. the werid thing was I tried doing ipkg-opt install vim and got a worse version. :P Jun 23 10:25:59 i just said eff it and went with nano... :D Jun 23 10:26:00 usually it just has a really annoying default config Jun 23 10:26:22 haha Jun 23 10:27:20 Although, I was reading the debian chroot information off of the predev wiki.. my next big mod is going to be installing doom, lol. Jun 23 10:27:33 i got an abuse complaint that says "Someone send wrong email from ur IP address" Jun 23 10:27:41 that and the debian image is going to come into some good use. :P Jun 23 10:27:59 how do they know it's the wrong email or the wrong IP for that matter? Jun 23 10:28:00 ok got nano up and running now how do i go about fixing my sudo Jun 23 10:28:18 copy/paste the last line in the file so we know what you're seeing Jun 23 10:28:26 nano /etc/sudoers or /opt/etc/sudoers whereever it puts it Jun 23 10:28:36 nano /etc/sudoers Jun 23 10:28:55 i have a few plans I want to work on Jun 23 10:28:58 i thought the opt stuff all good stuck in there, it doesn't have its own etc? Jun 23 10:29:02 especially getting native apps up and running in Luna Jun 23 10:29:08 but i have to wait till my days off Jun 23 10:29:17 sudoers is in /etc Jun 23 10:29:23 they got the moon orbiting thing... orbiting the moon Jun 23 10:29:26 josh, yeah it does, but sudo looks to /etc not /opt/etc Jun 23 10:29:50 further proof that no one else saw this handset coming.. :P Jun 23 10:30:06 like on freebsd you install stuff in /usr/local/ and it checks /usr/local/etc/ as well as /etc Jun 23 10:30:28 prenoob: what's the last line in /etc/sudoers Jun 23 10:30:34 i'll tell u what.. i completely love my pre and my battery life is 15 hours with 39% left now Jun 23 10:30:36 ok typed nano /etc/sudoers blank except where it says NEW FILE Jun 23 10:31:03 hmm... that's a new one. give me a sec. Jun 23 10:31:37 actually i don't have sudoers cus i don't use sudo Jun 23 10:31:40 preNoob, do this Jun 23 10:31:43 cd /etc Jun 23 10:31:44 top says GNU nan 2.1.9 File: /etc/sudoers then a nice big black blank spot then NEW FILE Jun 23 10:31:46 find sudoers Jun 23 10:31:54 then cd /opt/etc Jun 23 10:31:56 find sudoers Jun 23 10:32:03 seigex, he already has sudoers open in nano Jun 23 10:32:15 if it says New File then it doesn't exist Jun 23 10:32:31 or is he tryin to create it Jun 23 10:32:51 maybe it is /opt/etc/sudoers? I don't think so but let me check. Jun 23 10:33:02 no such file it was there a litte bit ago Jun 23 10:33:32 Sure enough, sorry preNoob. Jun 23 10:33:33 its opt/etc/ Jun 23 10:33:41 it's /opt/etc/sudoers Jun 23 10:33:49 it's in /opt/etc Jun 23 10:34:07 ok, what's the last line in /opt/etc/sudoers Jun 23 10:34:57 it tells me can't cd to /opt/etc/sudoers Jun 23 10:35:04 its a file Jun 23 10:35:09 cd /opt/etc Jun 23 10:35:13 nano sudoers Jun 23 10:35:14 cat sudoers Jun 23 10:35:30 night night geeks Jun 23 10:35:45 Have a good one. :) Jun 23 10:35:49 did nano sudoers got stuff on screen Jun 23 10:36:20 This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root Jun 23 10:36:33 yeah ignore that Jun 23 10:36:35 heh Jun 23 10:36:46 ok Jun 23 10:36:57 i need to find line 32 right Jun 23 10:37:15 yeah, ctrl-c tells you what line you are on Jun 23 10:37:16 yes Jun 23 10:37:29 heck, I learned something. :) Jun 23 10:37:42 it says it at the bottom. heh Jun 23 10:37:54 ^C Cur Pos Jun 23 10:38:09 it shows my user name the ALL=(ALL) ALL Jun 23 10:38:43 then line 33 says ALL=(ALL) ALL Jun 23 10:38:52 delete that line then Jun 23 10:38:55 should solve it Jun 23 10:38:59 the last one Jun 23 10:39:08 yeah the one with the ALL stuff without your username Jun 23 10:39:28 how do I delete just that line again sorry but i am learning Jun 23 10:39:42 just like in Notepad (without the mouse. ) Jun 23 10:39:58 ctrl-k deletes the entire line Jun 23 10:40:07 or what he said.. :P Jun 23 10:40:11 ahh thanks just hit del too lol Jun 23 10:40:21 so Exit and save Jun 23 10:40:27 yeah go for it Jun 23 10:41:41 and my passwd is the same as my user passwd Jun 23 10:42:31 damn i'm still getting Permission Denied Jun 23 10:42:49 ctrl-u undeletes the line/lines Jun 23 10:42:51 ctrl-x exists Jun 23 10:42:54 ctrl-o saves Jun 23 10:42:56 :) Jun 23 10:43:08 <--- been using pico for over 14 years Jun 23 10:43:10 :D Jun 23 10:43:25 i always type pico accidentally when i'mt rying to open nano Jun 23 10:43:31 lol. Jun 23 10:43:34 sorry i'm bored Jun 23 10:43:47 some distros just symlink pico to nano Jun 23 10:43:59 I've been stuck in vim hell for so long, the shackles kinda have cut into my arms.. :P Jun 23 10:44:57 i know vi its just a pain in the ass on certain behaviours if you're not used to it Jun 23 10:45:07 behaviors (i'm not british damnit) Jun 23 10:45:32 lol.. didn't say i _liked_ using vi, just saying that i was caught in it. :P Jun 23 10:45:41 thanks for all the help Jun 23 10:45:48 it workin now? Jun 23 10:47:23 yup had to type sudo -i then Permission no longer denied Jun 23 10:47:36 cool! Jun 23 10:47:50 su is better :) Jun 23 10:48:18 I don't know. after you want to sudo bash more than you just want to sudo.. :P Jun 23 10:48:23 i do this on web servers: sudo su - Jun 23 10:48:56 best of both worlds. heh Jun 23 10:49:14 ok, my brain has taken a temoporary leave of absence. How do I mount the USB partition in Windows? Jun 23 10:50:45 ck Jun 23 10:50:49 err oops Jun 23 10:50:55 oops Jun 23 10:50:55 ok Jun 23 10:50:56 click the buttons on the phone's screen. heh Jun 23 10:50:59 what do you mean mount? Jun 23 10:51:05 windows auto-mounts :) Jun 23 10:51:08 ohh u mean from ur pre? Jun 23 10:51:19 from the command prompt or from the phone? Jun 23 10:51:24 I plugged the USB cable into my rig, but I see no USB icon on the display. Jun 23 10:51:29 waitasec.. Jun 23 10:51:39 it'll pop up on the pre and you have to click "USB Media" Jun 23 10:52:02 it goes back to notification that you can press and get the action buttons back unless you swiped it away Jun 23 10:52:24 i got it.. I thik the USB hub I have on my desk has spazzed out and is not working right. Jun 23 10:53:35 lol.. it says I can't send or receive text messages/phone calls, but my Pandora application has yet to skip a beat. Jun 23 10:54:49 lol.. I'm thinking that I could make the DocRoot of thttpd /mnt/internal. :) Jun 23 10:55:29 do you have wifi enabled Jun 23 10:55:36 yes. Jun 23 10:55:46 it might be playing pandora through that Jun 23 10:55:52 it is. Jun 23 10:56:07 the other day i thought i was tethering, turned out the pre was sharing my wifi connection over bluetooth to my laptop Jun 23 10:56:26 which is completely useless Jun 23 10:56:29 LOL... well, guess it "was" tethering, just bass-ackwards.. :P Jun 23 10:56:48 which is pretty much useless, lol Jun 23 10:56:53 as soon as i turned off wifi i got the sprint "this is not supported" type error Jun 23 10:58:10 Hmm.. weird. haven't had one of those yet. Jun 23 11:01:10 well now, that was interesting Jun 23 11:01:24 When you go into USB mode, it disconnects the wifi completely. Jun 23 11:25:52 Wsup wsup Jun 23 11:26:49 howdy Jun 23 11:27:18 what the lick read Jun 23 11:27:27 (whats everyone up 2 ? Jun 23 11:28:41 not much.. trying to get webshell working on my Pre and contemplating the use of a handheld webserver that shares the pictures folder. Jun 23 11:29:37 and trying to figure out why the Pre has a crapton of high #ed ports that are open... Jun 23 11:33:21 mine has like 2 or 3 ports open Jun 23 11:34:04 i have 14400,53,16888,16889,4444,4445 Jun 23 11:34:09 53 is DNS? Jun 23 11:35:55 yea Jun 23 11:35:56 53 is dns Jun 23 11:36:13 note to self: NMAPping all 65535 ports will slow down the response time of the pre.. ;P Jun 23 11:38:44 ok, well this is interesting. It shows port 113 - (IDENT??) and 222 which is SSH Jun 23 11:38:48 aLMFAOO Jun 23 11:38:58 i believe i have 113 open Jun 23 11:39:20 yea its ident Jun 23 11:39:46 auth** Jun 23 11:39:59 \/auth** Jun 23 11:40:56 lol, been running Pandora to keep the phone alive while I'm working on it. Pandora's been good to me, now listening to Tool, was Mansen then Destones earlier. Jun 23 11:41:19 lol Jun 23 11:41:23 add the timer hack Jun 23 11:41:52 I forgot that. I hacked the timer but forgot I hacked the timer.. :P Jun 23 11:43:25 lol, well that's a lot better.. Jun 23 11:44:10 found some nifty thread info: http://localhost:8083 Jun 23 11:44:28 open that in your pre's browser or install Lynx and do it from ssh Jun 23 11:48:15 firestorm, do you never sleep? Jun 23 11:49:09 lol.. I'm third shift and today(night?) is my saturday morning Jun 23 11:50:32 darn Jun 23 11:50:41 what does the 8083 bring upo Jun 23 11:50:41 ? Jun 23 11:51:06 something liek a process status Jun 23 11:51:20 I'd post it here, but I'd flood the room and that'd be a bad thing. Jun 23 11:52:52 if you want, I can try and post a couple of lines, but it seems to be a lot of stack info about the java processes Jun 23 11:53:33 pastebin buddy Jun 23 11:53:41 http://webos.pastebin.com/ Jun 23 11:54:22 lol that's cool. Give me a sec and I'll post some Jun 23 11:55:49 http://webos.pastebin.com/f49cc4614 - index menu Jun 23 11:56:25 firestorm: if you have a list of open ports, make a new wiki page. Jun 23 11:57:09 ok. will do. Jun 23 11:58:11 2mro im going to start making an app Jun 23 11:58:17 trying to think of what to make though Jun 23 11:58:29 http://webos.pastebin.com/f31aef6e3 - from the "Global Items" in the menu Jun 23 12:02:00 now this IS interesting. I have an SSL connection that just terminated, 74.125.127.103 Jun 23 12:02:09 what is that IP? anyone recognize it? Jun 23 12:03:11 it's a google IP address. Jun 23 12:04:42 Yea its for synergy Jun 23 12:04:49 lol Jun 23 12:04:55 oh man you got excited Jun 23 12:05:21 thought synergy was a palm thing? why would google be doing synergy Jun 23 12:08:07 hmm.. webshell is giving me an error produced through SSH : Didn't validate host key Jun 23 12:08:28 or is this another reason to use OpenSSH instead of dropbear? Jun 23 12:09:59 well, don't know why but now it's working. Jun 23 12:12:01 now we need to find a way to get the Pre keyboard to stop automatically shifting the first letter when we type Jun 23 12:15:39 speaking of sleep, I think I'm going to knock off for the night. you all have a good one. Rick__ I Jun 23 12:16:04 Rick__ I'll add the info in sometime over the next couple of days. I have tons of notes I need to clean up first. Jun 23 12:29:46 it's palm checking your google contacs to see if you have any new ones. Jun 23 12:58:49 Hello, This is Bob Clancy. I offered (on the PreCentral thread) to help in setting up an app deployment/validaton process. Jun 23 12:59:46 Is there anyone currently on the channel who is oorking on this? (I think xorg said he something was in the works). Jun 23 12:59:52 validation? Jun 23 13:00:04 I'm offering to help with the effort. Jun 23 13:01:17 I basically mean "testing" and also making sure the any apps that we might host have been at least inspected for trustworhiness before we make them availabe. Jun 23 13:01:55 Over the long haul, I hay also help in writing apps too, but the first thing I see as important is: ... Jun 23 13:02:05 1) a standard way to deoply. Jun 23 13:02:30 2) that apps have some way of being known/tested Jun 23 13:02:49 hey guys how do i abckup my camera app? Jun 23 13:02:52 backup* Jun 23 13:03:04 3) that apps don't cause problems in combination, or badly interefere with each other. Jun 23 13:03:10 over -- Bob Jun 23 13:03:38 can someone tell me the command to backup my camera app I'm about to install the camera app Jun 23 13:04:50 cp -R Jun 23 13:05:02 rclancy: to start with, we have an applications area in our git repository at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications Jun 23 13:05:36 blau-mikeDG, ever get a chance to see what was causing those bugs in the New Cards For Each Messaging Conversation hack? Jun 23 13:05:46 I've been meaning to learn about git, now's my chance - will start on that. Jun 23 13:06:02 rclancy: one item I would add to the QA list is using a correct app id convention - it seems some people are using com.foo when they don't own the foo.com domain. Jun 23 13:06:04 carter: shit i never updated it Jun 23 13:06:27 i went on vacation sorry Jun 23 13:06:32 you've been holding out on us Jun 23 13:06:45 rclancy: EvanPro has used a good convention in http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/blobs/master/applications/org.webosinternals.evanpro.app.helloworld/appinfo.json Jun 23 13:06:49 i got one of the things fixed, there appears to be a few others but i havent had time to jump into them Jun 23 13:06:59 do you wanna update the wiki if i give you the code changes? Jun 23 13:07:00 OK, Rod, if you know who the othr players on the testing/deployment front are, can you mention their names to me? thx Jun 23 13:07:13 rclancy: don't know of any others at the moment Jun 23 13:07:19 ok Jun 23 13:07:24 I can, but I'd have to do it a little later after work Jun 23 13:07:40 ahh i can probably do it then, thanks tho Jun 23 13:08:49 * rwhitby bbl Jun 23 13:09:58 Probably a newbie/FAQ, but is there a URL where I can view the archive ot the log of this session so far (to catch up)> Jun 23 13:10:20 I'm using chatzilla Jun 23 13:10:58 rclancy: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt (for today), http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals-prev.txt (for yesterday), and http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ for the archive. Jun 23 13:11:25 they are complete from day 1 when I started the channel Jun 23 13:11:43 k, thx Jun 23 13:13:21 anyone know how to stop the music player from picking up random mp3's as music? Jun 23 13:48:30 ho hum Jun 23 14:18:46 Hi guys.... Jun 23 14:18:49 happy morning. Jun 23 14:19:26 anyone is the camera technically capable of doing video and it's just a matter of someone making an app? Likewise for voice recorder? Jun 23 14:19:28 I have -completely- refactored the rooting pages on the wiki. I have split it into a series of branching pages with clear branch points on decisions, I have turned on breadcrumbs, and created back links. Jun 23 14:19:52 djk: yes. technically, and there are hints in the source. Jun 23 14:20:06 awesome, I'll hece it out Jun 23 14:20:21 cool thta should kill those issues with iPhone and old treos Jun 23 14:20:22 I need someone here to go walk through the refactored rooting pages and tell me where they suck. Jun 23 14:20:30 I';ll "check" it out Jun 23 14:21:45 I'l try and give you the "new user" reader's perspective. Not sure I'll be able to spot legitimate errors though (so someone else should help with this) Jun 23 14:21:50 Rick_ I'll check out the rooting. I have had trouble getting the iptables to stick. If I use the webosdoctor to restore the phone will that clear out all the rooting changes? Jun 23 14:22:09 yes. It takes your phone back to factory fresh Jun 23 14:23:02 so it clears the /opt etc changes great that is probably what I need to do since I have a mix of changes Jun 23 14:23:33 note that it also clears /media/internal, so any music & etc you loaded are gone. Jun 23 14:23:44 also any contacts you hand-merged are now unmerged. Jun 23 14:24:12 A suggestion on the wiki. It would be good to have new and updated items marked in some way Jun 23 14:25:20 yes, it would, but this isn't mediawiki where we have that kind of niceness. Jun 23 14:25:28 There is "recent changes"... Jun 23 14:25:40 or even a date tag next to each as a part of the link Jun 23 14:26:07 again, freshness dates on links is _not_ a function of this wiki software. hand editing that stuff would be a PITA Jun 23 14:26:15 ex: Basic Linux Use [2009/06/04] Jun 23 14:27:03 just to indicate when added. The list is getting longer and harder to identify the new stuff Jun 23 14:27:47 I'll give the recent changes a try Jun 23 14:29:40 Rick, presumably you're "rboatright" (in the change history), right? Jun 23 14:29:47 that would be me Jun 23 14:31:26 djk: after rooting, my next job is to clean up the rest of the wiki in terms of orphaned pages, catagory portals, etc... linking this the way a wiki needs to be linked. It's something of a mess now. Jun 23 14:32:43 Rick_ Sounds great and please don't take my comments as a complaint. It is great your and others are doing this work. Jun 23 14:34:18 hey hey Jun 23 14:35:07 I haven't had a chance to work with the Create Your Own App but it sounds like it might be possible create app icons do do some of the tweaks, or start some the things people have done like game emulator or vnc client Jun 23 14:35:28 after a quick read of the top-level page, not sure whether you want to mention, someting like this after the "It is necessary (as of this edit) to access the linux system via a terminal program running on a seperate PC" phrase: "with a little more work, you can install an ssh client and use your Pre as this terminal." Jun 23 14:36:14 There is a client for the pre now? Jun 23 14:36:55 I've read that someone was able to install pssh under classic. That's what i meant. Jun 23 14:36:57 ssh client Jun 23 14:36:57 ? Jun 23 14:37:10 yea ssh clients work in classic Jun 23 14:37:28 rclancy -- you can NOT root the pre from the pre. You --have-- to use an external terminal program. Jun 23 14:37:33 I tried classic was very satifying Jun 23 14:37:41 cool cool Jun 23 14:37:54 oops NOT very satifying Jun 23 14:38:15 If you have successfully rooted the pre FROM CLASSIC, write me up a walk through, and I'll mention it and link it in. Jun 23 14:38:31 yes, but once it's rooted, you could make changes from the pssh client. (If you don't see this as important to write up, that's OK) Jun 23 14:38:50 yes, but that page is talking about ROOTING IT. once you've done that, there are all sorts of access options Jun 23 14:39:10 I haven't rooted at all yet, - I here to learn and then help with some app testing/standardization/ Jun 23 14:39:21 ahhh Jun 23 14:39:24 OK, that makes sense not to mention it , OK Jun 23 14:39:49 I'm reading through your changes as a "first time" reder Jun 23 14:39:49 and I ought to do that too.. access options at the bottom of the "next steps" page.. thanks Jun 23 14:42:42 nodnod Jun 23 14:43:42 anybody tried tweaking classic to work longer? Jun 23 14:45:00 to work longer you mean bypass the expiration and not have to pay for it? Jun 23 14:45:33 atlanta: that's a forbidden topic on this channel. Jun 23 14:45:39 i figured Jun 23 14:45:39 lmfao Jun 23 14:45:42 thought about it Jun 23 14:45:43 there are other places you can go to discuss it. Jun 23 14:45:44 after i posted it Jun 23 14:45:45 lmfao Jun 23 14:45:46 that's what I would think Jun 23 14:46:00 this is the hush hush channel Jun 23 14:46:01 lmfao Jun 23 14:46:08 good to know that your a is f Jun 23 14:46:22 what ? Jun 23 14:46:27 this is indeed the hush hush channel. Jun 23 14:46:37 i forgot everything is logged Jun 23 14:46:42 my BAD Jun 23 14:46:42 lol Jun 23 14:46:57 atlanta: do you use the classic app? Jun 23 14:47:10 logs are nice. It lets people like me actuallly go and get some sleep and come back and find things that are interesting. Jun 23 14:48:09 They do need to extend the trial period a week is not long enough for people to get it working and then get hook Jun 23 14:50:30 djk: no i don't Jun 23 14:50:34 never was a palm os user Jun 23 14:54:11 djk: did you get a chance to walk through the rooting pages? Jun 23 14:54:47 Rick_ not yet latter this afternoon I hope too Jun 23 14:55:11 ah... ok, nevermind. I was looking for a 2 minute quicky about the structure... but that's ok. Jun 23 14:57:19 atlanta: I gave it a try but found the reduced screen too small and the finger to big for what was designed for stylis interaction Jun 23 15:01:37 Rick_ which page are you wanting a quick read of? Just the Enable Root Access or the 3 different version of how to Jun 23 15:02:22 it's the chain - roooting , then fork to one of three, then unfork back to next steps... Jun 23 15:02:38 just that it makes SENSE. I didn't change the CONTENT. just the ARRANGEMENT Jun 23 15:06:19 ok back Jun 23 15:06:44 @djk gotcha Jun 23 15:11:13 morning Jun 23 15:11:37 Rick_: Of looks good. I helped walk someone through it yesterday and should have taken a couple notes on their difficulty. It was a case of someone that never used unix or tweaked. Jun 23 15:12:20 thanks. It was a MESS. Seperating the parts out makes it clearer. Jun 23 15:12:29 it does Jun 23 15:12:40 mdklein: So, you got some sleep... have you not a set of notes yet? Jun 23 15:13:04 the one comment once they got in was ok now what good it is what can I do with it Jun 23 15:14:13 thats a common one with first time linux users Jun 23 15:14:32 lol, not yet... and I left my phone at home... I'll be taking an early lunch today I guess. Jun 23 15:14:58 sadly it's not in the touchstone or I could just ping it from here Jun 23 15:15:27 suggesting the use of puTTY might be good since several seem to have trouble with command line telnet Jun 23 15:16:03 PUTTY FTW Jun 23 15:17:05 Rick_: one thing that was not clear to this person running the python from a 'dos' command line Jun 23 15:17:05 I don't see how people having trouble with command line telnet, telnetting into an OS that depends on commandline is going to make any difference by suggesting putty Jun 23 15:17:08 just FYI Jun 23 15:18:22 windows telnet varies and putty can make it smoother as well as copy paste Jun 23 15:18:32 djk: I changed that language to make it more clear... Jun 23 15:18:37 # Download all of the files in this subversion repository directory and place them all in a single directory on your PC. Make a note of the folder that you saved to. You might want to make a new folder: C:\PRE Jun 23 15:18:39 # Bring up a command line window (Start Run CMD enter) and 'cd' to the location in which you saved the files from the repository. ( cd c:\pre ) Jun 23 15:18:53 they will need putty once they root and run through the secure steps anyway Jun 23 15:19:07 In the command window, execute the talk.py script using Python ( C:\ python talk.py ). Jun 23 15:19:39 without screenshots I don't know that I can make it much clearer. Jun 23 15:20:05 WAIT--- you mean step 12... Jun 23 15:20:06 Rick_: That is pretty clear to me. was that the text yesterday? Jun 23 15:20:10 ahhh. THAT I can clean it up. Jun 23 15:20:21 no, that was NOT the text yesterday. Jun 23 15:20:25 I've been editing. Jun 23 15:20:35 I --- completely --- refactored the rooting pages. Jun 23 15:20:58 good deal then that would be what they needed Jun 23 15:21:55 ok, just cleaned up step 12 too. Jun 23 15:22:03 getting a console on the Pre would be so good Jun 23 15:22:57 mornin Jun 23 15:23:20 Rick_: looks good Jun 23 15:23:37 we'll see how many hangups happen after this Jun 23 15:31:40 Windows Wifi Rooting Procedure still says connect to usb ... Jun 23 15:32:12 is there really a wifi only way to get to a root shell ? Jun 23 15:32:19 i can't think of one due to the iptables rules Jun 23 15:38:00 amazon has some cheap touchstone crap Jun 23 15:38:04 chaching Jun 23 15:40:06 the wifi method requires a usb connection to run talk.py Jun 23 15:40:07 not in stock tho Jun 23 15:40:13 but then it goes through the wifi. Jun 23 15:40:24 The ALL USB version is also linked in. Jun 23 15:40:40 gotcha Jun 23 15:41:01 someone has suggested that it MIGHT be possible to use a terminal in classic to root the pre FROM ITSELF. Jun 23 15:41:16 but I don't think so. I think you'll still have to run talk.py to mod the iptables. Jun 23 15:42:07 bpdalinao: Do you like the refactored rooting instructions tho? Jun 23 15:42:14 I -tried- to clean them up. Jun 23 15:42:24 novacomd is running on the pre - so you can send an "execute command" command to the localhost which can enable telnetd which you could then telnet in from localhost without any iptables changes Jun 23 15:42:27 yes - i like them Jun 23 15:42:56 ok... so perhaps rooting the pre from the pre using a terminal in classic _is_ possible. Jun 23 15:42:58 can javascript open sockets easily ? Jun 23 15:42:59 Cool beans Jun 23 15:44:36 wait, so we could build a terminal centered around "execute command" instructions to novacomd? Jun 23 15:45:03 I'm going to link in those orphaned pages if it kills me. That wiki is a freaking mess. Jun 23 15:45:22 summatusmentis, should be possible - yeah Jun 23 15:46:12 bpadalino|work: do we have javascript access to novacomd? Jun 23 15:46:20 hi all, I was wondering if anyone's made progress on installing custom kernels. I can't find any info about it on the wiki Jun 23 15:46:37 tonycpsu: I don't know that anyone has tried Jun 23 15:46:45 no. Jun 23 15:46:46 summatusmentis, i don't think so .. Jun 23 15:46:55 it opens up a socket to connec tto Jun 23 15:47:04 and from that i can tell, js can't natively connect to a socket and send data Jun 23 15:47:05 are folks too scared to brick them, or is it just lack of interest? Jun 23 15:47:15 seems like we could do a lot of cool things with kernel mods Jun 23 15:47:15 installing custom kernals would be very risky.... since no one knows the source for all the PHONE stuff. Jun 23 15:47:20 tonycpsu, i think lack of interest - since it already runs a pretty decent system .. Jun 23 15:47:29 tonycpsu, what would you want to do with a modified kernel ? Jun 23 15:47:37 so we still have the issue of not really having an easy way to get to native commands running form the js layer Jun 23 15:47:44 I was thinking of modifying the keypad driver to implement something like KeyCaps600 Jun 23 15:47:46 summatusmentis, true Jun 23 15:47:48 bpadalino|work: got mame to load a couple roms, star wars and mortal kombat 3 Jun 23 15:47:53 summatusmentis: thats what i have been looking for Jun 23 15:47:55 correct summatusmentis Jun 23 15:48:00 its in one of the .so files i believe Jun 23 15:48:01 atlanta: find anything useful? Jun 23 15:48:08 nebula, cool - when do we get touchscreen or keyboar dinput ? Jun 23 15:48:29 bpadalino|work: keyboard input works! need to figure out screen config, though... Jun 23 15:48:30 summatusmentis: im not to good with asm and decompiling stuff so kinda out of my league Jun 23 15:48:39 nebula, ah - what's going on with the screen ? Jun 23 15:48:41 ah Jun 23 15:48:46 summatusmentis: but i might have someone look into it that i know Jun 23 15:48:50 atlanta, which .so and what did you find ? Jun 23 15:49:01 bpadalino|work: for some reason particular roms show the screen offset to the left, meaning the right far most of it is lined up in the center of the screen Jun 23 15:49:10 bpadalino|work: ill get the list of files from my friend i had him looking into it Jun 23 15:49:16 bpadalino|work: i used a precompiled nokia arm binary to get it working Jun 23 15:49:21 ah i see Jun 23 15:49:27 atlanta, thanks Jun 23 15:49:34 I guess i could just try coping a new kernel in, since i'm taking mine back for replacement anyway today, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if I bricked it Jun 23 15:49:43 bpadalino|work: no problem because once we find that its golden Jun 23 15:50:05 one day i was going through and just running back through js files and includes Jun 23 15:50:13 and it seemed like a big circle Jun 23 15:50:20 atlanta, absolutely - if there is something exposed on the palm:// or luna:// to execute scripts Jun 23 15:50:44 then my friend suggested that they used library files to get here so ill let you know my finding Jun 23 15:51:02 thanks Jun 23 15:54:17 does anyone know where the WAP and MMS settings might be located? Jun 23 15:55:28 might be in one of the db3 files Jun 23 15:56:07 wow..so I'm turning the sounds and alerts notification mod into an app. And I'm close. just need the file picker to respond to the button click. Then I'll post everything used on the wiki. Jun 23 15:56:59 anyone have any luck rooting with an ipk yet? Jun 23 15:57:18 destinal_work: if i took time to see how ipk worked i would do it lol Jun 23 15:57:22 but im lazy a Jun 23 15:57:28 ipk is essentially .deb Jun 23 15:57:36 Kaerey: do you know how Jun 23 15:57:36 if that tells you anything Jun 23 15:57:36 ? Jun 23 15:57:47 man it's really annoying that the pre alarm notification kills the screen so quickly, you cant glance and see what it was Jun 23 15:57:58 mdklein_: You around? Jun 23 15:57:59 atlanta: I'm learning Jun 23 15:58:02 technically there is no "rooting" going on .. the terminal is exposed ..you're just making it more accessible .. technically it's just an iptables modification Jun 23 15:58:02 oh ok Jun 23 15:58:07 i have a app that utitlize it Jun 23 15:58:10 if u need Jun 23 15:58:53 it's just Mojo.FilePicker.pickFile Jun 23 15:58:55 right Jun 23 15:59:02 cphelps: mdklein is around, he's at work, and left his Pre at home... :-( Jun 23 15:59:13 I hear you guys had substantial success.... Jun 23 15:59:14 well you have to put a listener to make it utilize the tap Jun 23 15:59:32 Rick_: Guess I'll be making the new wiki entry detailing browser downloads Jun 23 15:59:39 cphelps: around Jun 23 15:59:56 mdklein_: did you start on the wiki at all? Jun 23 15:59:57 bpadalino|work: it would seem like the simplest root via iptables would be a netcat reverse shell which would let you do everything needful from a netcat listener, but eventually it could be a total packages one-click. just about everything could be done via a postinstall script in the ipkg Jun 23 16:00:02 cphelps: you got it to work Jun 23 16:00:29 destinal_work: yea just do the dropbear or Jun 23 16:00:31 atlanta: mdklein_ made the final breakthrough Jun 23 16:00:32 opehssh install Jun 23 16:00:36 no, I didn't get done fixing things at work until 4am, I'm about to run hom for early lunch break Jun 23 16:00:37 then iptables comamnd Jun 23 16:00:53 and hopefully find my pre Jun 23 16:00:57 mdklein_: sorry about that, man. Jun 23 16:01:00 destinal_work, absolutely Jun 23 16:01:41 why is the default cal for new entries the google cal ? Jun 23 16:02:08 takes so long to set up an entry compared to the old palmOS Jun 23 16:02:11 Robi-: That is a changable settings, I believe. Mine was set to "Flightview" at one point. Jun 23 16:02:43 bpadalino|work: what's the sound device? /dev/snd/ seem to be unusable Jun 23 16:03:08 even with luna, etc shut Jun 23 16:03:28 jlefler|work: ya found it.. Jun 23 16:04:29 atlanta: It's working for "known" types like PDF. Zip and EXE files cause an endless loop of launching browsers that we haven't looked into. Jun 23 16:04:42 few new official apps Jun 23 16:05:09 cphelps: ok gotcha Jun 23 16:05:26 atlanta: I'll fix that today as well. Jun 23 16:05:28 I'll hopefully get the endless loop figured out today after work settles down a bit Jun 23 16:05:33 or cphelps will Jun 23 16:05:34 heh Jun 23 16:05:56 mdklein_: if you want to work on that while I hack a new interface on the downloader, that's cool Jun 23 16:08:32 cphelps: mdklein: did adding a new "known" type effect the looping? Jun 23 16:08:56 Rick_: yes, it it's a known type, it will download correctly Jun 23 16:09:30 Rick_: My understanding is that unknown types try to stream instead of download Jun 23 16:09:35 It seems to just be a simple check to see if you can stream it, otherwise download it... I think it's trying to stream the unknown app Jun 23 16:09:37 yeah Jun 23 16:10:02 Rick_: so far mdklein and I have done everything exactly the same, so we must be on to something Jun 23 16:10:13 perhaps there's a need for an unknown type that defaults to what you want.. Jun 23 16:10:13 the browser is calling "open" and the default handler might be browser? Jun 23 16:10:15 I don't know Jun 23 16:11:02 I hate rebooting machines with 400 day uptimes, never really sure they're coming back up :-/ Jun 23 16:11:24 Rick_: However, I'm not happy with the way that downloads are displayed at all. The download widgets get slapped on the end of the rendered document, and can be hard to find if you're zoomed in Jun 23 16:11:30 reboot is fine, shutdown then power up is more dangenrous Jun 23 16:11:48 as long as you keep the metal spinning... Jun 23 16:12:15 mdklein_: did you agree that the download-container needed to be changed to not include a div? Jun 23 16:14:43 Mdklein: Depending on how far away the computer is the more likely it won't come back. I.E. in a colo facility 1000 miles away expect it. If it is next to you it will probably come up. Jun 23 16:19:23 cphelps: I didn't get a chance to test it, but yeah... looking at the listener it enabled slide to delete bits, does that work? and does it just remove the file from list, or does it delete from drive... it was something I meant to test, but don't have phone handy Jun 23 16:20:15 mdklein_: My understanding looking at the code is that it just removes from the list. Even if you are downloading already, it just clears it and keeps downloading in the bg Jun 23 16:20:22 Lurking_Grue: also depends on what time it is... closer to 5pm it's gone for sure. Jun 23 16:20:31 Grue, that is not my experiance. The one next to you breaks -worse- and takes just as long to bring up. Jun 23 16:20:33 yum Jun 23 16:21:51 cphelps: k, that's what it looked like, but probably good to note somewhere... have to mount the drive to clear your downloads Jun 23 16:21:52 mdklein_: swipe works Jun 23 16:21:58 sweet Jun 23 16:22:00 If it is a Friday at 4:40 expect it to catch fire. ;) Jun 23 16:22:21 mdklein_: surely it can be made to cancel...but then again, maybe not Jun 23 16:22:36 there's definitely a cancel function Jun 23 16:22:38 arrrgh, I am NOT a fan of this wiki software..... arrghh. Jun 23 16:22:39 mdklein_: since we're the callback to get updates, we may be able to say 'stop that shit' Jun 23 16:30:02 o.o Jun 23 16:30:35 it looks like once the download is going unable to stop it, but if you remove it from queue prior to starting it's canceled :-/ Jun 23 16:30:41 boooo Jun 23 16:31:27 don't boo. They've GOT DOWNLOADS WORKING!!! Jun 23 16:31:37 boooo Jun 23 16:33:04 so where are the details about loading apps through email without signing Jun 23 16:33:24 Rick_: this is new? Jun 23 16:33:28 www.detailsaboutloadingappsthroughemailwithoutsigning.com Jun 23 16:33:31 this is new Jun 23 16:33:59 blau-mikeDG: you can't load apps through email without signing. you have to sign them. :) Jun 23 16:34:12 so engadget is wrong :( Jun 23 16:34:22 you can sign them yourself Jun 23 16:34:22 engadget is never wrong, destinal_work is wrong Jun 23 16:34:25 i loathe engadget lately Jun 23 16:34:36 but they have to be signed by someone Jun 23 16:34:41 it doesn't care who Jun 23 16:35:17 cphelps: there are definitely bits to abort/cancel downloads in the download-request (which is called by the controller), but I'm not sure how complete the implementation is... I'll have to try to download a large file later and manually cancel midstream to see what it does Jun 23 16:35:21 hmm Jun 23 16:35:31 you think palm will fix that bug? Jun 23 16:35:35 and go back to not allowing apps D: Jun 23 16:35:52 I think they have to Jun 23 16:36:03 mdklein_: if you focus on the aspect and I work on getting it into it's own stage controller, we'll be in business. Jun 23 16:36:13 TommyBres: they'll do something. I hope they just check signatures and prompt you before installing, but in reality they'll probably nuke it Jun 23 16:36:49 dammit Jun 23 16:37:02 so when will the SDK be publicly available and when will anyone be able to throw apps on their pre? Jun 23 16:37:14 end of summer is last i heard Jun 23 16:37:19 TommyBres: They -have- to... it's a huge security hole. and a man-in-the-middle could download almost anything to your pre. It's "bad". Jun 23 16:37:54 understood Rick_ , i'm just asking when they're going to give pre users the same features that a platform like android has (a far superior platform i might add ;) ) Jun 23 16:38:28 blau-mikeDG if that's true it's good news, i can't wait to see what their version of market turnes up Jun 23 16:38:31 turns* Jun 23 16:38:32 TommyBres: Soon. There are "rather a lot:" of folks who got SDK emails this week. Jun 23 16:38:42 nice :D Jun 23 16:38:53 TommyBres: SDK, unknown exactly but "by end of summer" in US. And when will anyone be able to throw apps on their pre? Now. :) Jun 23 16:38:59 Palm said "thousands" of developers in the next two weeks. Jun 23 16:39:14 * mikewx wants his email Jun 23 16:39:35 destinal_work: but its risky doing it over the email route, you're trusting a lot of things you probably shouldn't trust Jun 23 16:39:44 destinal_work officially, i mean... right now you can haxx0r it but thats all Jun 23 16:39:51 not hax0r, just email Jun 23 16:39:56 a link to an ipk Jun 23 16:40:02 ipk? rofl, posers Jun 23 16:40:04 * TommyBres uses apk's Jun 23 16:40:17 i thought ipkgs had to be signed if distributed via email? Jun 23 16:40:40 they do, but you can sign it yourself. Jun 23 16:40:46 mikewx: yes, but you can sign it. I don't consider signing an ipkg hax0ring though. :) Jun 23 16:40:52 mdklein_: here's the page so far Jun 23 16:40:53 that's where the haxxing comes in Jun 23 16:40:54 http://predev.wikidot.com/downloading-from-the-browser Jun 23 16:40:56 oh, they don't need to be signed with palm's blessed key :) Jun 23 16:41:00 i misunderstood :) Jun 23 16:41:07 details here: http://predev.wikidot.com/installing-apps-without-rooting Jun 23 16:41:15 mdklein_: Feel free to take any additional credit you think is due :-) Jun 23 16:41:22 just signed so someone knows the package hasnt been modifed and relinked by haxors Jun 23 16:41:30 its all about only downloading from trusted sources Jun 23 16:41:54 well, the thing is, it can be modified as long as they sign the modified ipkg. this could be done in real time by a man in the middle Jun 23 16:41:56 * TommyBres already got 2 viruses on his android handset :\ Jun 23 16:42:04 watch out for 3rd party apps Jun 23 16:42:05 lol Jun 23 16:42:08 herpes? Jun 23 16:42:26 gonoherpecyphilaids Jun 23 16:42:39 signing it if you're not going to check the signature's origin just verifies that the file isn't corrupted accidentally Jun 23 16:42:43 cphelps: Missing /code tag Jun 23 16:42:56 says nothing about haxors Jun 23 16:43:28 Rick_: Thanks Jun 23 16:43:38 if all my apps are signed with the same key, i would hope the system wouldnt allow an update to an app with a different key Jun 23 16:44:09 ? Jun 23 16:44:12 blau-mikeDG: I don't know if I agree with that statement, but regardless it care what key is used now Jun 23 16:44:27 it *doesn't* care what key is used now Jun 23 16:44:38 much better Jun 23 16:44:42 i mean like if i sign a package with key X Jun 23 16:45:01 then someone takes that package modifies it and signs with key Y Jun 23 16:45:21 i would hope it wouldnt allow the package with key Y to be installed as the same app over the one signed with X Jun 23 16:45:30 ooooh pineapple express soundboard :) Jun 23 16:45:33 since it's obvious they arent from the same author Jun 23 16:45:33 too bad it's 2.5 megs or i'd keep it Jun 23 16:45:46 shrug Jun 23 16:45:46 blau-mikeDG: It doesn't CARE... that's part of the problem. The pkg has to be signed, but as long as it IS SIGNED it installs it. This is a huge mistake, which palm MUST fix. Jun 23 16:45:51 right, usually that's done with a web of trust where your key is signed by some certifying authority so the user knows who's signing it, and then the installer prompts with who is signing it so that you know it's the person you trust Jun 23 16:46:21 web of trust or a trust chain, either way, but some kind of Public Key Infrastructure of some sort Jun 23 16:46:24 so we could make a replacement for the palm apps? Jun 23 16:46:49 anyone can make an ipk that if installed could overwrite just about anything on the phone Jun 23 16:46:55 Just a quick note for anyone here who manages the predev wiki: the font used in the code block sections renders the number 1 and the letter l identically at default pagezoom/fontsize in Firefox/Opera/IE ...has lead to a couple of issues on my end and with other people. Jun 23 16:47:10 not only that... the ipgk can have a post-install script. Right now, I don't see anything that would keep you run running an rm -r / in the install script. Jun 23 16:48:22 thats tarded Jun 23 16:48:29 wheres my electrolytes Jun 23 16:49:54 mdklein_: What do you think about putting the downloads in a scene accessed from the menu? Jun 23 16:49:56 searedice: the css is calling out font-family:'Andale Mono','Courier New',Courier,monospace; Jun 23 16:50:56 while I would prefer lucida console.... we don't controll the CSS on wikidot.net... :-( Jun 23 16:51:22 ah; oh well, i guess :P Jun 23 16:52:06 mdklein_: Yeah, this is better. I'll just go ahead and learn how to do all the DB stuff for storing the models too Jun 23 16:52:25 Andale mono CLEARLY distinguishes lower case l from 1. if you don't have it, you can get it here.... http://web.nickshanks.com/typography/corefonts Jun 23 16:52:38 it's really quite a nice monospaced font. I urge you to install it. Jun 23 16:52:51 Is anybody keeping track of released homebrew apps anywhere yet? Jun 23 16:53:28 Grue. Ihave a page set up on the wiki for it. but I don't know of any yet. Jun 23 16:53:35 except for flashlight Jun 23 16:53:52 There are two in this article: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps-tricking-out-be-careful Jun 23 16:54:02 I'll check it out, thanks. Keep an eye out for people coming here with problems that could come from the l/1 discrepancy :P Jun 23 16:54:18 tip calculator from jwz, cool Jun 23 16:54:49 lol Jun 23 16:54:56 http://www.jwz.org/tipcalculator/ Jun 23 16:55:04 that's one app that will always be on mobiles since old winmo days, yet it's as pointless as it's ever been Jun 23 16:55:13 if you can't do simple math you shouldnt have that phone Jun 23 16:55:25 I suppose it is a rite of passage for all mobile os'es. Jun 23 16:55:36 haha i guess so, that and fart apps Jun 23 16:55:42 * Lurking_Grue laughs. Jun 23 16:55:46 Ok im back Jun 23 16:55:58 Heh that was neat...IE re-rendered the page with the new font as soon as it was installed. Opera and FF didn't :P Jun 23 16:56:11 duh, IE is the better browser! Jun 23 16:56:15 lol Jun 23 16:56:29 chrome > you Jun 23 16:56:47 pft Opera's where it's at :P Jun 23 16:56:57 yarite Jun 23 16:57:26 i love IE Jun 23 16:58:55 searedice, didn't opera reivent the web? Jun 23 16:59:35 atlanta i might shoot you Jun 23 16:59:39 just sayin, watch your back Jun 23 17:00:13 * Lurking_Grue is using irc in opera. Jun 23 17:00:26 TommyBres: if you can catch me Jun 23 17:00:28 im on the move Jun 23 17:01:15 ... Jun 23 17:01:25 bullet = 2000fps Jun 23 17:01:27 Opera's always doing something weird; keeps me on my toes...but really, I love it for the keyboard shortcuts, mouse functions, and the synchronization feature (so all of my computers have the same bookmarks/etc.) Jun 23 17:01:31 you < 2000FPS Jun 23 17:01:33 bullet > you Jun 23 17:01:41 clearly a better font tho huh searedice ? Jun 23 17:01:49 Rick_, yeah this rocks Jun 23 17:02:07 so, if you're helping someone else, have them get it. Jun 23 17:02:09 searedice: I love "paste and go" Jun 23 17:02:56 aye, and the forward/back trick with the mouse buttons Jun 23 17:03:23 TommyBres: me + moving fastly > you & no aim shot ! Jun 23 17:03:24 lol Jun 23 17:03:38 me = good shot :) Jun 23 17:03:43 i've had practice Jun 23 17:03:56 bam! Jun 23 17:04:12 bammm Jun 23 17:04:44 pew pew Jun 23 17:04:53 lolll Jun 23 17:04:58 lame Jun 23 17:07:23 searedice: Please check out http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting now..... put a link to the andale mono and explained why. Jun 23 17:08:08 Rick_: Sweet, thanks! I saw at least one guy in here yesterday with the problem; hopefully it won't happen again :D Jun 23 17:09:39 "if the 1 and the l " just capitalization :P Jun 23 17:10:11 on the "if" Jun 23 17:10:38 ok. I have essentially all the orphaned pages linked in somewhere. you can now get to essentially everything through the portal pages at the bottom of the home page. Jun 23 17:10:52 So, now that THAT is done I have actual ___work___ to do Jun 23 17:11:04 I'm around, but I won't be paying attention for a bit. Jun 23 17:11:54 heh. I have a hard time working with my Pre sitting here Jun 23 17:13:06 what was the command that you run after copying a new app, to get it to show up in the launcher without having to reboot? Jun 23 17:14:16 the command is sudo reboot D: Jun 23 17:14:35 "without having to reboot" o.O Jun 23 17:14:42 lol Jun 23 17:14:42 I know there is a way to send a message so that it rescans the apps Jun 23 17:14:44 one sec Jun 23 17:15:02 lol i know searedice i just like causing trouble :D Jun 23 17:15:10 you punk :P Jun 23 17:15:17 <3 Jun 23 17:15:34 dannns: you can just killall LunaSysMgr Jun 23 17:15:36 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Jun 23 17:15:47 cool, thanks! Jun 23 17:16:02 sudo make me a sandwich. Jun 23 17:16:24 * dsevil comes out of lurking. Jun 23 17:16:27 blau-mikeDG: that's awesome. Jun 23 17:16:42 yup yup Jun 23 17:32:30 anyone made any progress on hooking into the keyboard? it looks like you can read characters from /dev/input/keypad0, but what about intercepting/rewriting keystrokes? anyone made progress there? Jun 23 17:39:53 trying to write to my pre through sftp but continue getting 'This user does not have sufficient permissions' Jun 23 17:40:14 im on a mac using cyber duck Jun 23 17:40:31 and in term i have mounted root as rw Jun 23 17:40:47 any ideas? Jun 23 17:41:10 solution: break the mac forcefully over a curb Jun 23 17:41:13 sudo? Jun 23 17:41:17 LoL Jun 23 17:41:28 sudo what Jun 23 17:41:41 sudo mount -o remount,rw / Jun 23 17:41:43 try "sudo su" then run your commands afterwards Jun 23 17:41:45 thats what i did Jun 23 17:41:48 yeah Jun 23 17:41:53 and still nothing Jun 23 17:42:00 some of the other commands might need sudo as well Jun 23 17:42:07 like ? Jun 23 17:42:14 anything that needs root perms ;P Jun 23 17:42:27 i understand that, but my sftp client wont write to my pre Jun 23 17:42:37 i can mv stuff and cp stuff from internal to root Jun 23 17:42:45 ohhh Jun 23 17:42:52 but i cant write from my desktop to my pre via sftp client Jun 23 17:43:03 well then, it's a mostly an SFTP client thing Jun 23 17:43:18 any suggestions as to what client to use Jun 23 17:43:25 im currently using cyberduck Jun 23 17:43:28 I couldn't get Filezilla working, but WinSCP does...see the bottom of this page: http://predev.wikidot.com/sftp-access Jun 23 17:43:37 im on leopard Jun 23 17:43:56 I'm on Vista, but this should be what you need, if you can find the similar setting in Cyberduck: "Check 'Advanced Options' and select "Environment>SFTP". Jun 23 17:43:56 In the SFTP server box enter: sudo /opt/libexec/sftp-server" Jun 23 17:44:07 from that page I linked Jun 23 17:44:57 theres no 'advanced options' in cyberduck Jun 23 17:45:18 any way to specify the SFTP server? hmm :/ Jun 23 17:46:04 thats what i have been trying to do, but i cant find any options or preferences menus that will allow me to input the sftp server Jun 23 17:46:10 actually...hmm...there's a coule of Apple machines at the other end of my office...I'll go take a peek :P Jun 23 17:46:52 sweet! Jun 23 17:47:11 *brb* somebody at the door Jun 23 17:49:09 cyberduck's not installed on these and I dunno if i have the permissions on this account...will try though :P Jun 23 17:53:47 mdklein_: and idea why we have all this code in global_code.js and not separated out into the files that already exist on the disk? Jun 23 17:56:34 cphelps: looks like instead of putting models in sources.json, they just catted it all into the global_code.js Jun 23 17:56:59 which is what I did originally, but the sources is much cleaner method, not sure why they didn't use them Jun 23 17:57:22 ok, I will continue using the external files. Jun 23 17:57:40 has anyone made an ipk for the on demand cpu stuff? Jun 23 17:57:52 mdklein: re-implenting history as a downloads page. Jun 23 17:58:09 quick question if anyone can help... I am trying to root my pre... I'm new to the whole python thing... I've gotten to the point of launching putty and connecting to the correct port... but I get a command line that says: root@castle:/# Jun 23 17:58:15 where do I go from there? Jun 23 17:58:24 how would I login? Jun 23 17:58:44 nice, I think that's what I started doing too... bookmarks is also similar I think if you need more code to look at Jun 23 18:00:57 that's it, peazley...you're at the Pre's command line Jun 23 18:02:34 but what do I do from here? I need to login in as root? I'm am unfamiliar with command prompt... mac user... but couldn't understand the mac directions either... Jun 23 18:03:18 or do I just need to start with the "next steps after rooting" Jun 23 18:03:21 it's up to you what you want to do next...you're in as root right now, so you can do essentially whatever you want Jun 23 18:03:25 Yep; try that Jun 23 18:03:54 k, I was just thinking that I needed to login, I was never prompted to... Jun 23 18:03:56 Tread lightly; you're now in enough that you can screw things up :P Jun 23 18:05:06 I'm really good about reading directions... when I type in: rootfs_open -w Jun 23 18:05:06 I get /bin/sh: not found Jun 23 18:05:24 maybe you can help me and recommend an SFTP or SCP client for Mac...tried Fugu and Cyberduck, but i need more settings to tweak Jun 23 18:06:23 I always used Cyberduck, I don't get to mess around too much with things, I only used it for unlocking iphones... now I've switched to the pre. I like the pre better so I gues I don't need cyberduck so much... Jun 23 18:06:37 everyone raves about fugu though... Jun 23 18:07:15 try entering "sudo su -" Jun 23 18:07:24 and then do the rootfs stuff Jun 23 18:08:51 hmm no... Jun 23 18:09:32 basically when I use putty to connect the command prompt that pops up and say /gin/sh: not found Jun 23 18:09:34 then: Jun 23 18:09:42 root@castle:/# Jun 23 18:10:20 I'm going to try the whole mac version again... Jun 23 18:10:25 okay Jun 23 18:10:28 that is odd indeed Jun 23 18:11:30 Last login: Tue Jun 23 10:39:57 on ttys000 Jun 23 18:11:30 Macintosh-2:~ peazley$ cd /opt/nova/bin Jun 23 18:11:30 Macintosh-2:bin peazley$ ./novaterm Jun 23 18:11:30 root@castle:/# sudo su- Jun 23 18:11:31 root@castle:/# sudo su - Jun 23 18:11:31 root@castle:/# Jun 23 18:11:51 hmm...... is it because I upgraded to 1.03? Jun 23 18:11:57 didn't even think to ask. Jun 23 18:12:03 i used Putty to telnet in on 1.03 Jun 23 18:12:12 with novaproxy on vista Jun 23 18:12:31 anyone want to try installing this? Jun 23 18:12:32 I was using vista... but now back on the osx... Jun 23 18:12:32 http://yucs.org/~spotter/org.yucs.spotter.cpuspeed_0.0.1_all.ipk Jun 23 18:12:44 it puts the cpu ondemand stuff into an ipk Jun 23 18:12:47 have no idea if it will install Jun 23 18:13:09 on a rooted pre that is due to if it can write to /etc Jun 23 18:14:23 i'm gonna grab lunch, but if nobody's helped by the time I get back, i'm game, shaya Jun 23 18:18:32 ok Jun 23 18:18:39 I need to figure if it can be made removable Jun 23 18:19:33 Anyone have any advice on how I can stop playing with my Pre and return to writing the code I am actually getting paid to write? Jun 23 18:20:26 send me your pre? Jun 23 18:20:36 Genius ;) Jun 23 18:20:42 i do try Jun 23 18:21:14 peasley: when you have the root@castle prompt you -are- logged in as root. You're in. Jun 23 18:21:36 just to prove you CAN type a command that works, type ls and hit enter. Jun 23 18:21:42 that should list a directory Jun 23 18:22:19 Rick__: when you first log in, you are in an empty directory....as I recall, the default ls implementation on the pre doesn't output anything without command line switches when in an empty directory Jun 23 18:22:22 pwd might me a better choice Jun 23 18:23:06 good point Jun 23 18:23:12 or ls -all Jun 23 18:23:37 w will suffice Jun 23 18:23:37 That would work, too ;) Jun 23 18:24:15 cool, I'll try that in a sec, turned off dev mode and now turning back on to see if that did anything.... Jun 23 18:24:48 peasley: You do have the pre plugged in, right? And you selected "charge only." ??? Jun 23 18:25:04 yep, ls works... Jun 23 18:26:15 ok peasley: rootfs_open -w and hit enter Jun 23 18:26:52 sup rick, thanks for all your help yesterday, i got it all set up Jun 23 18:27:00 welcome tech Jun 23 18:27:21 that whole subdomain thing was just weird. Jun 23 18:27:54 -dubdomain + subnetmask Jun 23 18:28:04 peazley? Jun 23 18:28:42 how does one find the /media/internal/download folder within webos? Jun 23 18:28:45 just running through the next steps after rooting... seems to be working right now, creating user account and so forth Jun 23 18:29:12 Technobabble: would you look over the rooting instructions now? After yesterday I decided that the whole thing needed re-writing and re-organizing. Jun 23 18:30:02 Rick__: FYI, I followed the instructions last night and they worked great. (Of course, Linux is the OS on all my systems..so I am probably not your typical end user) Jun 23 18:30:20 no, you're not. I was re-writing for noobs. Jun 23 18:30:55 cool. I appreciate the effort -the more people that mod the less likely it is that Palm will endeavor to lock it down Jun 23 18:31:27 rick, sure Jun 23 18:32:30 what do you guys recommend for ssh: dropbear or openssh? Jun 23 18:32:46 I'd recommend dropbear unless you have a specific reason you want openssh. Jun 23 18:33:02 Dropbear provides for the basic need, and is a much smaller footprint than OpenSSH. Jun 23 18:33:13 cool Jun 23 18:34:06 rick, this one?: http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting Jun 23 18:34:30 it's way different, it had something like 22 steps before Jun 23 18:35:05 but yeah, i like how you separated openssh and dropbear into different pages so as to not confuse Jun 23 18:35:43 is the usb networking part new? Jun 23 18:36:26 anyone figure out how to overlay into the google maps app? Jun 23 18:36:40 say for geocache targets Jun 23 18:36:58 see the tracking section of the wiki Jun 23 18:37:44 yes, the USBnet part is new. Jun 23 18:37:57 Robi-: I want to use that code to write a little app to track how far one has travelled (for running)... but first I have to decide whether I am keeping the phone or returning it near the end of the 30 days. Jun 23 18:39:13 jlefler|work: ah i had a similar thought.. i kinda miss my treo :> Jun 23 18:39:25 emkman created it last night Jun 23 18:40:07 I love the phone, but Sprint service is questionable at my work. I installed the "Roam Only" patch and it works great, but Palm could disable it at any time so I'm not sure I want to be in a 2 year contract Jun 23 18:40:36 hemna: That will most likely be a separate app that uses a lot of similar code Jun 23 18:40:45 hemna: you can probably send it a location though Jun 23 18:40:57 that's kinda what I was thinking Jun 23 18:41:01 jlefler|work: , set up voip redirect so you can get calls over wifi Jun 23 18:41:08 I know google maps has an api for adding locations and icons Jun 23 18:41:15 and even tracks Jun 23 18:41:15 grandcentral or similar Jun 23 18:41:43 I kinda wanted to use my Pre as a GPS tracker...even when out of coverage Jun 23 18:41:47 Robi-: I've thought about it. Just not sure if its worth 2 years of a workaround when Verizon will likely get the phone in 6 months Jun 23 18:41:55 then dump the gps track onto a gmaps map Jun 23 18:42:22 true jlefler. Well, we will see you back in Feb. Jun 23 18:42:57 Rick__: Absolutely, if we do return the Pres. I am trying everything I can to make it workable as I really want to keep the phone, but at the end of the day its still a phone first and foremost to me. (And an awesome one at that) Jun 23 18:42:58 jlefler|work: that's not a guarantee either Jun 23 18:43:01 10 1.5 ft micro-USB cables: 13.54 -- Not being ripped off by proprietary charging cables: priceless. Jun 23 18:43:42 jblebrun: where? I looked the other day and couldn't find a decent deal on microusb cables Jun 23 18:43:55 jlefler|work ebay Jun 23 18:43:58 monoprice Jun 23 18:44:23 13.54 included overnight shipping! Jun 23 18:44:33 jblebrun: Thanks. I should have thought of them - have gotten some good deals there before. Jun 23 18:44:33 see the link on the hardware page off the home page of the wiki.... Jun 23 18:44:41 Nice. I have killed my browser Jun 23 18:44:42 (Overnite was actually cheaper than 2-3 day!) Jun 23 18:44:52 Nice. Tell me you had backups. Jun 23 18:45:31 so the notification bug got me today .. when i was in a meeting .. phone on vibrate .. call comes in - and then the notice played it's tone Jun 23 18:46:09 anyone want to test my cpu speed scaling ipk? Jun 23 18:46:10 http://yucs.org/~spotter/org.yucs.spotter.cpuspeed_0.0.2_all.ipk Jun 23 18:46:19 Rick_: Screw backups. I'm hacking this until it works :-) Jun 23 18:46:42 has anyone run webos doctor to reset their phone? Jun 23 18:46:53 tonycpsu: lots of people around here have Jun 23 18:46:57 shaya: isn't there a param for the pkg mgr to test installing it ? Jun 23 18:47:06 Robi-: I dont have a pre Jun 23 18:47:07 :) Jun 23 18:47:22 do you happen to know offhand if it requires the kernel to boot for it to do its thing, or if it happens earlier, in ROM? Jun 23 18:47:34 tonycpsu: I'm guessing its built into the bootloader Jun 23 18:47:46 that's what i'm hoping Jun 23 18:47:47 someone run ipkg-opt --help and list params Jun 23 18:47:47 otherwise a corrupted kernrel would be done for Jun 23 18:48:05 yeah Jun 23 18:48:24 and i'm sure there will be OTA kernel upgrades as they find bugs Jun 23 18:48:25 there may be a safe way to wget and ipkg-opt test install shaya's pkg Jun 23 18:48:44 Robi-: all it is, is an event.d file Jun 23 18:48:49 just want to see if it gets installed Jun 23 18:49:01 that LED thing on the wiki is cool Jun 23 18:49:03 and if on reboot it changes the cpu speed scaling rules Jun 23 18:49:06 tonycpsu, bootie is a bootloader that understands the novacom protocol and can boot your phone without being in linux Jun 23 18:49:10 looking forward to LED notifications Jun 23 18:49:29 tonycpsu: it's not quite as easy as one would hope. Jun 23 18:49:41 bpadalino|work: okay, cool. so in theory it should be really hard to brick even if the kernel is borked Jun 23 18:49:44 tonycpsu: There really isn't a lot of centralization Jun 23 18:49:49 tonycpsu, yes Jun 23 18:50:17 tonycpsu: +1. I miss blackberry-style LED notification. But these phones have so much more potentials than blackberries. Jun 23 18:50:18 cphelps: yeah, i understand that after reading over some of the logs. a lot of trying to snoop dbus messages and find out what processes are doing Jun 23 18:50:26 potential*. Can't believe I made that plural ;) Jun 23 18:50:41 using the battery out /volume up / battery in thing, you can webosdr a completely hosed pre using rom only Jun 23 18:50:42 yeah, I don't understand why palm didn't put a dedicated notification LED on like on the treo Jun 23 18:50:45 tonycpsu: It can and will be done though Jun 23 18:50:46 that was so handy Jun 23 18:50:48 shaya: that's fine, just like dpkg there's a test install option which tells you what it's going to do, that shoudl be enough Jun 23 18:51:00 Robi-: ok, but I don't have a pre to test Jun 23 18:51:11 basically a friend asked if I can try to improve the battery life on his pre Jun 23 18:51:16 so threw together an ipk Jun 23 18:51:20 The LED controller on there should be able to do some low-power LED indicator stuff. Jun 23 18:51:20 but dont know if it works Jun 23 18:51:29 I'm working on getting a datasheet for it Jun 23 18:51:38 shaya: point him to the wiki Jun 23 18:51:38 you could use the flash led as an indicator. Jun 23 18:51:45 Robi-: he's a lawyer Jun 23 18:51:51 he's not the rooting type Jun 23 18:52:09 shaya: heh, then at least post all your work on the wiki and someone will test it Jun 23 18:52:17 there's a lot of things you can do to extend battery life without rooting Jun 23 18:52:23 !!!! STROBE !!!! -- incoming message -- !!!STROBE!!! Jun 23 18:52:33 Rick_: I think the soft LEDs under the gesture area might be more appropriate :-) Jun 23 18:52:34 I posted it in precentral forum Jun 23 18:52:41 Rick: Unless you're at a rave ;-) Jun 23 18:52:47 brb Jun 23 18:52:51 oh, I don't know. Jun 23 18:53:02 shaya: that'll be hard to find, the wiki is the better place imo Jun 23 18:54:31 jblebrun: Yeah, that's pretty much my dream with this device Jun 23 18:54:54 important notifications in the middle, less important on the sides Jun 23 18:55:31 searedice : any luck? Jun 23 18:55:49 anyone want to point me to a chat or forum where they are less protective or Palms IP? Jun 23 18:56:00 I tried Cyberduck and Fugu...neither worked out...I don't know what others to try Jun 23 18:56:01 wait, what? Jun 23 18:56:05 #webos on efnet Jun 23 18:56:19 cphelps: My hypothesis is that the LP8501 controlling the LEDs can be reprogrammed to run a control program in an infinite loop. I'm not sure that the power reqs of the controller are, though, when it's running. Jun 23 18:56:50 register, what? Jun 23 18:57:18 yall dont like infrginging or modifying palms code Jun 23 18:57:30 im fine with that and think its necessary Jun 23 18:57:36 modifying is cool; redistributing is not Jun 23 18:57:39 if you haven't seen this thread: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/187993-autoreplace-upgrade.html you should Jun 23 18:57:41 but i also think its necessary for other people to modify lol Jun 23 18:57:56 He's gotten a ---good--- autoreplace upgrde in place. Really good. Jun 23 18:58:10 Palm seriously didnt think that leaving out a way to CHANGE THE SOUND A TEXT MAKES wasnt going to spur a bit of homebrew? Jun 23 18:58:49 re-distributing is cooler Jun 23 18:58:53 much cooler Jun 23 18:58:56 ;-) Jun 23 18:59:15 just not here cuz thats not what yall are about Jun 23 18:59:35 TwelveLeters, i have no idea what you're talking about Jun 23 18:59:38 you can redistribute your own code (patches and stuff that work on other people's pre's palm code)...it's just not okay to spread around palmcode (even with your stuff mixed in) Jun 23 18:59:54 TwelveLeters: you do realize, that we LOVE modding palm's apps. Jun 23 19:00:02 and would love to have posts about that.... Jun 23 19:00:10 Lol yes i know u love it Jun 23 19:00:14 lol Jun 23 19:00:15 I know Jun 23 19:00:30 why u think i asked for another server rather than just saying u guys were pansys? Jun 23 19:00:33 lol Jun 23 19:00:34 i respect that Jun 23 19:00:35 TwelveLeters: They left out downloading in the browser for chrissake! Jun 23 19:00:53 legit and non-legit homebrew is required Jun 23 19:01:03 yet they included app downloading over email lol Jun 23 19:01:24 i really think their depending on the community to take over Jun 23 19:01:26 TwelveLeters: they included downloading in the browser too, it was just disabled Jun 23 19:01:41 TwelveLeters: and unclear how to re-enable it. Took myself and mdklein a day to fix it Jun 23 19:02:19 i thought it was interesting that they have a pdf viewer in the phone, but when you try to download a pdf and open it, it says there's no program to view it Jun 23 19:02:33 my opinion (and its just that) is yall are being a bit skiddish, does the iphone dev team follow the same montra? Jun 23 19:02:39 lol really? Jun 23 19:02:45 i can view pdfs in email Jun 23 19:02:51 cphelps: Yes, nice work on that Jun 23 19:02:54 but ive never treid to DL or sideload Jun 23 19:03:16 yup, tried to download the palm pre manual from the phone, nothin. Jun 23 19:03:23 Rick__: Good thread. thanks for the link. Jun 23 19:03:24 I think Palm should be given a chance to roll out their own fixes/improvements before the developers take a more aggressive/risky approach Jun 23 19:03:35 it's only been a couple of weeks, and we all know the Pre was rushed to market Jun 23 19:03:35 but i bet if you attatched it to an email it would work Jun 23 19:03:38 Yeah palm left alot of little shit up Jun 23 19:03:47 they better triple their update team Jun 23 19:03:51 out* Jun 23 19:04:02 jblebrun: mdklein was ahead of me every step, but we always came to the same conclusions eventually and got it working Jun 23 19:04:06 changing the ringer is the biggest one though Jun 23 19:04:08 i mean cmon Jun 23 19:04:26 jblebrun: I thought t was working without any UI, but mdklein found where it was stashing the download widgets Jun 23 19:07:03 how to add /opt/bin to the PATH? I tried creating a ~/.profile but the I can't source it since there is no source command Jun 23 19:07:30 anyone want ideas for great apps?, Ive said it before, an app that lets you "tap out" your Vibrate pattern for each type of ring or contact would be sick Jun 23 19:08:05 lol; morse code vibrate the text from the notifications :P Jun 23 19:08:12 as well as something that just copied the beat you tapped to keep the beat to a song, (tap twice and it keeps the beat you tapped Jun 23 19:08:17 lol Jun 23 19:08:20 That would be scary Jun 23 19:08:38 convince people you can read your texts telekineticly lol Jun 23 19:08:46 xD Jun 23 19:08:49 because no one would assume anyone actually knows morse code Jun 23 19:08:52 ;-)| Jun 23 19:09:30 TwelveLeters: how about a message reader that translates to morse code? Jun 23 19:09:40 yeah thats what he was saying Jun 23 19:09:42 lol Jun 23 19:09:58 but thats scary lol and only useful for what? .2% of the world? Jun 23 19:10:04 heh Jun 23 19:10:07 .02% Jun 23 19:10:09 ? Jun 23 19:11:04 id just love to know if its a contact or freind calling just by the vibrate, and a text would be like 2 rapid vibrates and thats it, and setting contact by contact would be amazing Jun 23 19:11:31 finally gave in and bought the pdf + 1st edition print of the oreilly webOS boos Jun 23 19:11:33 book Jun 23 19:11:44 twelve: im working on that Jun 23 19:11:52 i made an app for android thats similarish Jun 23 19:12:03 Blau-mikeDG i love you Jun 23 19:12:06 lol Jun 23 19:12:08 Does anyone know where I have to add a new scene to an existing application? Jun 23 19:12:09 lol Jun 23 19:12:11 How long ago? Jun 23 19:12:40 how long ago did u make that app for android? Jun 23 19:12:42 well not exactly like it, the diferent vibration part to tell texts from other alerts though :/ Jun 23 19:12:49 kewl Jun 23 19:12:52 like last october Jun 23 19:13:12 it was mainly because vibration was so weak Jun 23 19:13:15 daxkelson Jun 23 19:13:22 and texts were the most important Jun 23 19:13:24 notification to me Jun 23 19:13:25 yeah the vibrate on this guy is a bit weak too Jun 23 19:13:30 yeah Jun 23 19:14:13 just ordered 2 touchstones and a back! Jun 23 19:14:23 anyone figure out a headphone amp hack yet? Jun 23 19:14:46 * TwelveLeters mourns for louder music Jun 23 19:14:53 blau-mikeDG: from where? Jun 23 19:15:02 amazon, out of stock, but i have faith Jun 23 19:15:05 $30 a stone Jun 23 19:15:08 $18 for the backs Jun 23 19:15:21 at those prices and free 2 day shipping i can wait Jun 23 19:15:34 now i just need a few micro usb cable Jun 23 19:15:34 http://www.palm.com/us/products/accessories/touchstone-bundle.html Jun 23 19:15:37 in stock there Jun 23 19:15:49 too pricey Jun 23 19:16:01 yeah Jun 23 19:16:23 maybe a ~/.bashrc would be better. but I can't source it anyway Jun 23 19:16:31 god those things are a ripoff Jun 23 19:16:37 wtf? Jun 23 19:17:01 Lol fuck palm are you serious? i paid 80$ for a fuckign touchstone with 1 back and NO extra USB cable and their on amazon for 30$! Jun 23 19:17:02 anyone? have anyone created a .bashrc? Jun 23 19:17:09 and it costs palm 7$ TO MAKE THEM! Jun 23 19:17:28 TwelveLeters: R&D my friend Jun 23 19:17:29 * TwelveLeters sells all his palm stock in anger Jun 23 19:17:38 what do you need in .bashrc Jun 23 19:17:54 export /opt/bin:$PATH Jun 23 19:18:08 * TwelveLeters buys it back as he realizes that they made 74$ on each one Jun 23 19:18:11 lol Jun 23 19:18:19 heh Jun 23 19:18:29 ok Jun 23 19:18:42 the backing alone made me get it Jun 23 19:18:49 * TwelveLeters ewww .... gloss Jun 23 19:18:50 i need to know why someone posted inadyn hogs memory Jun 23 19:18:53 nothing is sold for the cost of its parts Jun 23 19:19:05 and noone knows eactly how much the parts cost Jun 23 19:19:19 no shit but NOTHING os sold for 1100% of its cost! Jun 23 19:19:25 they know a range Jun 23 19:19:25 i hate when websites rip something apart and are like "zomgfbbq, it only cost $5 to make an iphone" Jun 23 19:19:47 ink jet cartridges are Jun 23 19:20:00 lol Jun 23 19:20:01 yes. Jun 23 19:20:06 and toner Jun 23 19:20:15 the printers are cheaper than the ink Jun 23 19:20:22 welcome to capitalism. if you don't like it, there are places you can go :P Jun 23 19:20:25 no Jun 23 19:20:29 They do have a good idea man, its not hard to tell with the right people that are on the industry Jun 23 19:20:33 heh Jun 23 19:20:37 welcome to retarded economics Jun 23 19:20:50 lol toner and ink and perfume agreed lol Jun 23 19:21:01 in* Jun 23 19:21:09 i havent been able to find the palm car charger anywhere for < retail :/ Jun 23 19:21:17 except precentral but thats not in stock either Jun 23 19:22:24 something is worth what people will pay for it Jun 23 19:22:34 not a function of its cost Jun 23 19:22:39 mhm Jun 23 19:22:42 what precentage of people? Jun 23 19:22:48 Thats completely dependent Jun 23 19:22:48 destinal_work: and most people discount R&D, which is ridiculous Jun 23 19:23:21 cphelps: very true Jun 23 19:23:47 destinal_work: which goes up considerably at my company when I spend all day hacking my pre's browser instead of doing real work Jun 23 19:23:58 cphelps: lol Jun 23 19:23:58 lol Jun 23 19:24:22 If only 2% of people would pay for it when if it were 40$ less then 60% of people would then if say its worth 60$ LESS Jun 23 19:24:24 LOL Jun 23 19:24:25 destinal_work: If adding a scene to an existing app was a little easier, we wouldn't have this problem Jun 23 19:24:29 woah caps Jun 23 19:25:04 http://yucs.org/~spotter/org.yucs.spotter.cpuspeed_0.0.3_all.ipk anyone want to see if this installs? Jun 23 19:25:05 woohoo, 4th webosdoctor restore! Jun 23 19:25:12 whazit do? Jun 23 19:25:22 cphelps: I'm reading the webOS book and everything seems so simple now. :) Jun 23 19:25:25 hopefully implements the improved cpu speed scaling Jun 23 19:25:39 lol sounds high risk to me Jun 23 19:25:44 more useful if someone with a rooted one tries to install it manually via ipkg first Jun 23 19:25:54 * TwelveLeters isnt rooted Jun 23 19:25:54 TwelveLeters: well, if you have a rooted pre should be easy to install and uninstall Jun 23 19:26:00 so I've gotten through the whole root process, I can login with my own username/pass through ssh but now I get: peazley@castle:~$ mount -o remount,rw / Jun 23 19:26:00 mount: permission denied. (are you root?) Jun 23 19:26:15 sudo su - Jun 23 19:26:21 http://gizmodo.com/5300057/the-palm-pre-cant-shoot-video-but-stop-motion-photography-is-no-problem Jun 23 19:26:29 yeah thats a funny post Jun 23 19:26:31 nebula: isn't there "sudo -s" Jun 23 19:26:44 but they said "cant shoot video" it can, its not a hardware limitation, it just cant yet Jun 23 19:26:46 destinal_work: cat skinning? Jun 23 19:27:02 touche :) Jun 23 19:27:09 true, prolly better off not being root! Jun 23 19:27:25 destinal_work: it's not that bad, but the exceptions aren't telling me what I fucked up Jun 23 19:27:27 so ya, listen to destinal_work Jun 23 19:27:31 yah the webos ui just doesn't support it yet Jun 23 19:27:58 well sudo -s makes you root too it's just what I usually use in linux, it has a slightly different effect but should give you a root shell nonetheless Jun 23 19:28:21 ah Jun 23 19:28:24 peazley@castle:~$ sudo -s Jun 23 19:28:24 >>> /opt/etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 32 <<< Jun 23 19:28:25 sudo: parse error in /opt/etc/sudoers near line 32 Jun 23 19:28:25 \sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting Jun 23 19:28:25 peazley@castle:~$ \ Jun 23 19:28:35 yikes, dpaste for my eyes Jun 23 19:28:57 looks like a problem with your sudoers file. Jun 23 19:28:57 sorry... new to this whole pre thing, first day, just trying to figure things out Jun 23 19:29:09 hmm... what would I need to do? Jun 23 19:29:20 uh, check out line 32. :) Jun 23 19:29:27 vi file, :32 Jun 23 19:30:36 k, completely new to this, how would I go about doing that? Jun 23 19:30:58 probably need to go back to dev mode... login as root... Jun 23 19:32:17 the hardest thing about getting root on the phone is working with unix. we need an ipkg people can fire and forget. Jun 23 19:33:51 is there a cross compile wiki page? Jun 23 19:34:26 Look for the OSX/WebOS Cross compile page on the wiki Jun 23 19:34:49 ok thnx Jun 23 19:36:07 oc80z, to verify the memory consumption of INADYN please type "ps aux". Jun 23 19:36:17 I actually did want to raise one concern about the rooting walkthrough. It has people append a line to fstab with >>. That works fine, but if a user accidentally puts 1 > they can overwrite their entire fstab. NOT good at all. I wonder if there is a safer way to write that instruction Jun 23 19:36:23 how would I go about editing visudo? Jun 23 19:36:57 peazley_, you use "visudo" to edit the file /etc/sudoers Jun 23 19:37:20 k. How do I do that? Jun 23 19:37:20 you don't have to use "visudo" you can use just use "vi /etc/sudoers" if you wish. Jun 23 19:37:36 visudo has the advantage of refusing to save if you don't have a validly formatted file. Jun 23 19:37:55 you don't have to use sudo either. In my opinion it is overkill on the Pre. Jun 23 19:38:29 I typed in "vi /etc/sudoers" and I get "~" on like twenty lines, then I get "- /etc/sudoers 1/1 100%" Jun 23 19:38:42 jlefler|work: not that I can think of unless you make a function like append() { echo $2 >> $1 } and then: append /etc/fstab "whatever" Jun 23 19:38:48 again they can still mistype the >> Jun 23 19:39:00 the real answer is a package, avoid the human error factor Jun 23 19:39:01 destinal_work: I couldn't think of one either. Jun 23 19:39:02 basically trying to get my username root access while ssh Jun 23 19:40:00 We used sudo to aviod people leaving their pre in 'root' and to avoid people accidently killing their pre by running everything as root Jun 23 19:40:08 On Ubuntu you *have* to use sudo because you can't "su" to root. On the Pre you can "su -" to root after you copy the busybox binary to /usr/local/bin/su and then "chmod u+s /usr/local/bin/su" Jun 23 19:40:28 dkelson: I respectfully disagree. I think sudo is essential. If nothing else, its really useful having a log of every command you run as root and sudo accomplishes that. Jun 23 19:40:42 jlefler|work: unless you sudo -s Jun 23 19:40:50 people struggle setting up sudo on the Pre. Jun 23 19:41:02 I do... Jun 23 19:41:11 The directions on the wiki are very clear on setting up sudo Jun 23 19:41:14 peazley_, you are not the first Jun 23 19:41:29 I'm sure... all new to me ; ) Jun 23 19:41:40 I am sure we can get a yotube video together if needed Jun 23 19:41:41 http://predev.wikidot.com/optware-cross-compilation Jun 23 19:41:44 i dont understand how people stuggle. its as simple as a copy and paste. Jun 23 19:41:49 that page seems to be working...thanks Jun 23 19:41:56 destinal_work: True enough, which I occassionally do. But, people who know enough to know about the -s flag aren't the people that I am concerned about ;) Jun 23 19:42:06 dkelson: there are times where coming in with scp as root is really handy, and for a novice, it can be a struggle to say, upload a file as themselves, ssh in, sudo cp it somewhere, etc Jun 23 19:43:06 destinal_work: for app hacking, sftp is definitely saving me a lot of time Jun 23 19:43:27 sftp + kio slave =teh win Jun 23 19:43:36 did you know ultraedit lets you edit files over sftp / scp natively? Jun 23 19:43:39 very handy Jun 23 19:44:03 destinal_work: Thats what I use the kio slave for. With any KDE native app, you seamlessly can open files over SFTP as though they were local. Jun 23 19:44:09 ah Jun 23 19:44:29 or fuse-sshfs Jun 23 19:44:40 destinal_work: yeah. Many years ago I put that in my gnome editor, it was awesome. Jun 23 19:45:05 dkelson: Yep, though fuse requires mounting etc. KIO is on-the-fly. Just enter an SFTP address from your file open dialog. Jun 23 19:45:28 so I'm conflicted. on the one hand, for something like a phone where most things the user wants to edit need root privs including editing app code on the phone, you really just want to come in as root. on the other hand, there's danger there, too. (but then again, there always is for something like this) Jun 23 19:45:39 so maybe just enabling ssh as root may be the most sensible thing Jun 23 19:46:39 conflicted between making this actually usable and encouraging bad habits that may bite people somewhere later down the line Jun 23 19:48:32 is there anything people actually want to ssh into their phone for that they wouldn't want root access for? read-only access to system files, maybe. Jun 23 19:48:48 destinal_work: not really Jun 23 19:48:49 but there's very little Jun 23 19:49:43 destinal_work: in your book, does it say anything about needing to do anything special to connect a scene.html to the actual scene assistant js? Jun 23 19:49:51 let me look Jun 23 19:51:11 updated http://predev.wikidot.com/add-words-to-auto-correct-dictionary Jun 23 19:51:41 ... Jun 23 19:51:43 what is this Jun 23 19:51:43 verify the memory usage with your ps command. Jun 23 19:51:43 dkelson No such nick/channel Jun 23 19:52:31 can we be a lil more productive.. Jun 23 19:53:18 cphelps: it says that the filename has to match Jun 23 19:53:35 cphelps: the scene name Jun 23 19:53:44 destinal_work: so download-assistant.js + download\download-scene.html? Jun 23 19:53:49 It seems to me like they took a page out of the ruby on rails book....convention over configuration Jun 23 19:54:10 jlefler|work: I really think a json subscript would have been better Jun 23 19:54:35 I'm not sure I agree. Of course, I am a java/RoR dev and MUCH prefer working in RoR. ;) Jun 23 19:54:55 (my day job that is..my night job is also php, python, etc.) Jun 23 19:55:12 looking at browser code it's like pushScene("name",params) for name/name-scene.html? Jun 23 19:55:31 jlefler|work: the issue I am coming up against is that the exceptions don't tell me what is wrong with my shit now Jun 23 19:55:41 jlefler|work: there were some issues at first, and they got me through that Jun 23 19:55:56 jlefler|work: but now it's just "Error: , line undefined, file undefined" Jun 23 19:56:05 Ouch Jun 23 19:56:10 mdklein_: yeah, I'm SO close I think Jun 23 19:56:11 they push with Jun 23 19:56:11 Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene({id:"mojo-scene-scene-one", Jun 23 19:56:11 name:"scene-one", sceneTemplate:"example/scene-one/scene-one-scene"}); Jun 23 19:56:18 thats almost as bad as "Segmentation Fault" ;) Jun 23 19:56:36 jlefler|work: except you can BT that Jun 23 19:56:42 cphelps: Fair point. Jun 23 19:57:08 jlefler|work: I love when shit jsut dies at the point where the problem occurs and leaves a core. That's super easy to fix Jun 23 19:58:26 jlefler|work: I would trade that point for an empty scene UI right now. Jun 23 19:58:59 cphelps: I am psyched to start deving for this phone. I wonder if my work would notice if I got nothing done the rest of today.....probably. Jun 23 19:59:24 jlefler|work: boss is out of town this week, and left us hanging on our current project goals. Jun 23 19:59:25 cphelps: Do you have the SDK or are you doing it the hard way? Jun 23 19:59:30 jlefler|work: hard way Jun 23 19:59:37 jlefler|work: we have code, that's good enough Jun 23 19:59:50 cphelps: my boss is also out of town. Sadly, he asked me to help cover for him..which means my workload has actually increased in his absence Jun 23 20:00:06 (Lots of annoying paperwork / meetings in addition to dev) Jun 23 20:01:20 cphelps: btw, I also have the WebOS PDF.....so if there are any specific API questions you have, I can try to find the answer in there Jun 23 20:01:24 jlefler|work: I don't do paperwork. In fact, I've written more documentation on the pre than I have on my own code this entire year probably Jun 23 20:02:17 I'm just horrible with my phone today... first I left it at home all morning, and then after grabbing it at lunch... left it in my car Jun 23 20:02:43 Oh noooooo Jun 23 20:02:52 Hopefully not in a hot, sunny parking lot Jun 23 20:03:10 mdklein_: usage priv's revoked Jun 23 20:03:21 mdklein_: is it not your primary com device? Jun 23 20:04:37 it is... I don't use much phone though... mainly responding to txts/IMs/emails, and if I'm sitting at my desk I can do all but the txts Jun 23 20:08:21 mdklein_: and killall LunaSysMgr :-) Jun 23 20:08:44 mdklein: 47 times yesterday. I'm sure glad this is a linux box Jun 23 20:09:43 I wrote a script to reload the browser app, lol Jun 23 20:09:53 mdklein_: that might be faster Jun 23 20:10:22 mdklein_: of course the winner in all of this would be goddamned exception handleing with line numbers Jun 23 20:11:08 mv /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser /tmp/;luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {};mv /tmp/com.palm.app.browser /usr/palm/applications;luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Jun 23 20:11:13 which you MIGHT have if you had the sdk, since there's SUPPOSED to be a debugger in there. Jun 23 20:11:45 I typed that from memory, so it might not be completely right, but you get the idea Jun 23 20:12:22 and as far as exception handling, I inserted Mojo.Log.erro("line#"); in almost every line yesterday while debugging some things :-p Jun 23 20:12:54 debug Jun 23 20:14:37 I'm also still amazed as how much logging this device does in production mode... you'd think they'd turn off some reporting. Jun 23 20:27:54 the amunt of loggining will go down. Remember we're only at 1.0.3 Jun 23 20:28:09 and I think that 1.0.0 was -- generous Jun 23 20:36:59 back Jun 23 20:37:18 what's the good word today? Jun 23 20:37:53 frabjous Jun 23 20:39:33 woot. just replaced the Palm kernel with one I compiled myself Jun 23 20:39:37 nothing is blowing up yet Jun 23 20:39:52 'yet' Jun 23 20:40:32 tonycpsu: nice. that probably answers the "corresponding" question as to whether the source matches binary. Jun 23 20:40:53 what'd you change, tonycpsu? Jun 23 20:40:59 there *could* be some secret sauce in their binaries, but that'd be nasty of them Jun 23 20:41:14 lolol 'secret sauce' Jun 23 20:41:22 I didn't change anything in the code yet, i wanted to see if it worked using their config and patches Jun 23 20:41:29 root@castle:/var/home/root# rootfs_open -w Jun 23 20:41:29 sh: rootfs_open: not found Jun 23 20:41:30 I'm getting ready to root my pre. I guess the Novacom package doesn't work on a PPC mac. Jun 23 20:41:35 anyone got any dies of why that is? Jun 23 20:41:40 So I have to run it on my intel macbook Jun 23 20:42:11 i hope sprint doesn't cut me off Jun 23 20:42:15 i've been streaming pandora 2/47 Jun 23 20:42:18 *24/7 Jun 23 20:42:46 pre + pandora = awesome Jun 23 20:42:46 hey i was trying to setup bash but when i go to ssh it my password doesnt work Jun 23 20:43:07 do you have to make the /etc/shells Jun 23 20:43:24 and add /opt/bin/bash and /bin/sh to it Jun 23 20:43:27 yes, otherwise your password won't work. :) Jun 23 20:43:33 shades, quick question for you on pandora Jun 23 20:43:38 be fore you runn the echo cmd Jun 23 20:43:44 does your 'processor' area below your battery get super hot when you run it? Jun 23 20:43:45 ? Jun 23 20:43:47 you can do it any time Jun 23 20:43:51 nope Jun 23 20:44:01 as long as you don't log out and lock yourself out Jun 23 20:44:18 well thats what happened Jun 23 20:44:30 after i ran the echo cmd my ssh password wouldnt work Jun 23 20:44:36 you'll have to use novacom / novaproxy to get a root shell over USB serial Jun 23 20:44:36 who manages access to the wiki? I'd like to add a page on how to build and install kernels Jun 23 20:44:37 i could get in through novaterm Jun 23 20:44:39 but not ssh Jun 23 20:44:59 so once i get back in through novaterm what do i do? Jun 23 20:45:00 then add the line to /etc/shells Jun 23 20:45:00 tony, if i'm not mistaken, it's Rick_ Jun 23 20:45:18 ad what line? Jun 23 20:45:22 wait.... Jun 23 20:45:29 /opt/bin/bash Jun 23 20:45:30 anyone know why optware's version of vlc was built with disable-v4l2 ? Jun 23 20:45:32 '--enable-v4l' '--disable-v4l2' Jun 23 20:45:36 Technobabble: what's that? Jun 23 20:45:37 and /bin/sh Jun 23 20:45:47 Technobabble: something gets hot sometimes Jun 23 20:45:51 Rick does NOT manage access to the wiki Jun 23 20:45:51 shades, i was asking if your processor area below the battery got hot when you run pandora Jun 23 20:46:01 usually when the usb charing cable isn't pluggeed in 'right' Jun 23 20:46:03 oh, access to the wiki Jun 23 20:46:04 Rick has been editing the heck out of the wiki, but then..... Jun 23 20:46:06 same thing happened w/ my 700 Jun 23 20:46:09 ok im a little confuse Jun 23 20:46:20 but it's summer Jun 23 20:46:22 where it says before and after Jun 23 20:46:25 so all my eletronic's fans are on overdrive Jun 23 20:46:25 where is that? Jun 23 20:46:28 screw this weather Jun 23 20:46:45 if i can't see my breath in the air, it's "wayy too FKin hot" Jun 23 20:47:13 Aaron_: just get in and echo "/bin/sh" > /etc/shells; echo "/opt/bin/bash" >> /etc/shells Jun 23 20:47:21 Aaron_ if you have root@castle # then you pick up here: http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting Jun 23 20:47:35 ok i did the echo cmd and i cant ssh back in Jun 23 20:48:09 do i need to vi the /etc/passwd and change the youruser line? Jun 23 20:48:10 note the second set of >'s has two >>'s -- critical Jun 23 20:48:16 Aaron_, perms denied or connection refused Jun 23 20:48:35 perms denied Jun 23 20:48:36 man i'm loving this linux fone Jun 23 20:48:39 Aaron_: chmod Jun 23 20:48:43 777 if you're lazy Jun 23 20:48:49 ? Jun 23 20:48:58 chmod 'll change that perms denid for you Jun 23 20:49:17 *linux noob* what is chmod Jun 23 20:49:25 shades: 777?! Jun 23 20:49:31 files have permissions, 777 gets it to work, every time Jun 23 20:49:36 but not the safest trick in the book Jun 23 20:49:39 works in a pinch though Jun 23 20:49:52 destinal_work: yea well if you're lazy 777 will do it 8 ) Jun 23 20:50:04 that's skating on thin ice though Jun 23 20:50:14 shades: let's not try to teach linux n00bs insecurity as habits :) Jun 23 20:50:20 there's no "are you sure" when you're aboute to run a command that will royally jack stuff up Jun 23 20:50:23 yes lets not Jun 23 20:50:39 yea well Jun 23 20:50:44 that's going to require more reading on your part Jun 23 20:50:46 i don't know if you're up to it Jun 23 20:50:51 im up for it Jun 23 20:50:52 most people just want point&&click Jun 23 20:51:08 i dont mind gettin a little dirty if its done right Jun 23 20:51:25 i haven't had time to even run the up up deal on my fone yet Jun 23 20:51:27 i gotta back it up Jun 23 20:51:31 and i don't have a desktop to do it w/ Jun 23 20:51:36 plus it's too ridiuclously hot to think Jun 23 20:51:41 especially since i'm out of medicine Jun 23 20:52:37 im really liking linux so far Jun 23 20:52:54 it is a little hairy at first but it gets easier Jun 23 20:53:14 so back to the task at hand Jun 23 20:53:18 yea Jun 23 20:53:20 it's a learning curve Jun 23 20:53:30 but screw all that point&&click crap. Keys don't move from their position ont he keyboard Jun 23 20:53:36 nope Jun 23 20:53:42 Aaron_: I'd go back and follow the steps Rick_ mentioned. Jun 23 20:53:53 Aaron_: it's possible you missed one Jun 23 20:54:10 and i don't need 35million+ lines of code to do what 2 million can do Jun 23 20:54:10 ya know what i think would be entertaining? Jun 23 20:54:23 having your pre boot up and display a terminal window Jun 23 20:54:30 true Jun 23 20:54:32 not pratical Jun 23 20:54:36 brb Jun 23 20:54:42 certainly won't make panties fly at you if that's your goal ;p Jun 23 20:54:52 shades: Did your bank fix their web page yet? :-) Jun 23 20:54:57 i didn't check Jun 23 20:54:58 probably not Jun 23 20:55:05 you could fake it easily enough. Jun 23 20:55:07 you know how that red tape beuocracy crap works Jun 23 20:55:10 Technobabble: thats whate very PC I own does. (Debian Linux terminal, fyi) I don't think that would be nice for a phone, though I do want to install the phpajaxterm app when time allows Jun 23 20:55:15 by the way Jun 23 20:55:16 change the background wallpaper to a screenshot of a terminal screen. Jun 23 20:55:18 jblebrun: looks like some people just arne't going to get paid Jun 23 20:55:19 lol Jun 23 20:55:26 what benefit does setting up bash provide Jun 23 20:55:33 ? Jun 23 20:55:35 jlefler, i think it would just be amusing Jun 23 20:55:37 shades: You don't own a computer? Jun 23 20:55:38 like a CLI phone Jun 23 20:55:39 Aaron_: your skill points in leet go up by 1337 Jun 23 20:55:45 lol Jun 23 20:55:48 someone's like "can i use your phone?" and you could be like "idk, can you?" Jun 23 20:55:55 "what do i do?" Jun 23 20:55:56 jblebrun: hardware issues across the board on my stuffs atm Jun 23 20:56:03 this one bios failed to upgrade properly Jun 23 20:56:05 quick /usr/local/bin/dialphone 911 Jun 23 20:56:08 so i gotta coearce that box into booting again Jun 23 20:56:13 and this laptop is in safe mode w/ networking Jun 23 20:56:17 shades: That sounds like your problem, not your employees' :-) Jun 23 20:56:17 cause of some grafix crap Jun 23 20:56:27 find people | grep fred Jun 23 20:56:28 so ? what does bash do or improve on? Jun 23 20:56:31 really Jun 23 20:56:33 yea, except i don't own a business Jun 23 20:56:33 im curious Jun 23 20:56:41 rick, exactly Jun 23 20:57:06 Aaron_: it is very full featured shell. Lots of options for syntax completion, history updates, better scripting language, etc. That having been said, I don't think its worth installing on a phone unless there is a feature you miss when you are using sh. Jun 23 20:57:27 find people | grep fred | phonenumout: work | dialer Jun 23 20:57:31 Technobabble: hey, what ever happened to brain.openfs ->write 555-555-5555 == jane doe brain.closefs Jun 23 20:57:44 /usr/local/bin/dialphone `find /var/lib/contacts -name fred|grep mobile:|awk '{print $2}'` Jun 23 20:57:54 great....i messed up my ssh for something i dont even need Jun 23 20:58:01 you gotta remember, the fone in the jailcell doesn't have your contact list Jun 23 20:58:07 should you ever happen to need to use it Jun 23 20:58:21 is /usr/local/bin/dialphone the actual dialer? Jun 23 20:58:27 no making up a CLI phone Jun 23 20:58:40 joke only Jun 23 20:58:56 why would it have to be a joke? why not really do it Jun 23 20:59:12 obviously it wouldn't be sexy to 99.9% of the world, but i think it would rock Jun 23 20:59:18 Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/libvorbis_1.2.0-1_arm.ipk Jun 23 20:59:18 ipkg: write: No space left on device Jun 23 20:59:20 doh Jun 23 20:59:23 :( Jun 23 20:59:37 what is samba? Jun 23 20:59:47 aaron, file sharing Jun 23 20:59:47 Technobabble: it might be cool at some point, but for now I think there are more interesting priorities. :) Jun 23 20:59:49 file server system Jun 23 20:59:58 destinal, agreed Jun 23 21:00:00 like ssh or sftp Jun 23 21:00:02 Aaron_, windows file sharing basically Jun 23 21:00:03 ? Jun 23 21:00:10 so you can mount a drive over the network from windog Jun 23 21:00:16 (or linux) Jun 23 21:00:18 i dont use windows Jun 23 21:00:21 or pretty much any other OS Jun 23 21:00:36 if you're doing linux to linux file shares, you use NFS if i'm not mistaken Jun 23 21:00:36 quick, type answercall --speaker ! Jun 23 21:00:37 is it worth trying? Jun 23 21:00:38 :) Jun 23 21:01:00 destinal, you could do faster things, like space to answer Jun 23 21:01:09 or A to answer Jun 23 21:01:15 well we're talking from a shell prompt though, that was the original joke Jun 23 21:01:26 like how unsuitable it would be running a phone from a shell prompt Jun 23 21:01:35 it wasn't a joke, i'm serious Jun 23 21:01:58 anyone bored and want to take a look at an app that isn't working? Jun 23 21:01:58 I hear you, but a text mode interface is much more apt than a cli / bash one Jun 23 21:02:41 did you guys see the tipcalc app? Jun 23 21:02:59 destinal, what do you mean? Jun 23 21:03:00 aonic_: I think they call that calculator Jun 23 21:03:07 i saw a screenshot of it on flickr, aonic_ Jun 23 21:03:14 and there are a lot of people who still use emacs, or mutt for mail or vi or nano for text editors when they have perfectly good gui's, so a console hacker phone interface may definitely have value to some Jun 23 21:03:21 i was looking in the makefile, i think that guy has the SDK Jun 23 21:03:44 but running different binaries for different features from the command line as was originally suggested was amusing. :) Jun 23 21:04:32 destinal_work: phone -d 9012234567 Jun 23 21:07:56 aonic_: what brings you to that conclusion? Jun 23 21:08:23 aonic_: and what does it really matter if he does? Jun 23 21:08:53 cphelps, doesnt really matter. everyone seems to be under the assumption was made without any official SDK Jun 23 21:09:07 after some googling of this name, im not surprised if he has the SDK ;) Jun 23 21:10:01 aonic_: it would be nice if they were a bit more out there with the SDK for professional developers Jun 23 21:10:18 cphelps, yes it would Jun 23 21:10:22 aonic_: but at the same time, there is enough example code to get by Jun 23 21:10:51 anyone have an example of the simplest possible ipkg with only a postinstall script? Jun 23 21:10:56 the guy is the Author of Netscape Navigator Jun 23 21:11:08 aonic_: That might help Jun 23 21:11:13 yes ;) Jun 23 21:11:22 EMACS CAN BURN IN HELL Jun 23 21:11:26 aonic_: one of the developers on the Linux version of Netscape Navigator and founder of the Mozilla project before he left Jun 23 21:11:31 Jun 23 21:11:32 err Unix versions Jun 23 21:11:35 aonic_: I'm the author of jack shit as far as they are concerned. No SDK for me. Jun 23 21:11:41 same here, cphelps Jun 23 21:11:45 I want an SDK Jun 23 21:11:49 cause then my stuff'll be in the apstore Jun 23 21:12:01 i totally need to make that "I'm rich app" for trhe pre Jun 23 21:12:02 shades: it'll be public in time Jun 23 21:12:05 and score 10,000$s each sale Jun 23 21:12:15 aonic_: but I've got downloads in the browser working, and a scene to view previous downloads Jun 23 21:12:15 till they pull it Jun 23 21:12:16 shades: I think that time is gone Jun 23 21:12:23 lol Jun 23 21:12:28 there isn't even a public sdk kit Jun 23 21:12:38 shades: there was an insane period with the iphone Jun 23 21:12:40 so howtf are people uploading apps to the app store? Jun 23 21:12:46 destinal_work: yea, this is a new platform Jun 23 21:12:46 shades: but I doubt we'll see it again Jun 23 21:12:51 so there's soem gold to be mined Jun 23 21:12:56 I don't see why not Jun 23 21:13:02 if someone has the money and they want to spend it Jun 23 21:13:07 tonycpsu: optware was kernel modules for the pre, but we haven't tried replacing the kernel yet Jun 23 21:13:08 i got student loans payments && car payments Jun 23 21:13:14 that shit's only collecting interest Jun 23 21:13:37 you also have to think about one other thing. when you make a webOS app in Mojo, anyone who gets your app also gets your code Jun 23 21:13:54 well then to hell with mojo Jun 23 21:13:55 haha theres some refeences to the SDK docs in the HTML source http://www.jwz.org/tipcalculator/ Jun 23 21:14:01 what other thing can I write my apps in? Jun 23 21:14:02 sff, you there? Jun 23 21:14:04 or is it only mojo? Jun 23 21:14:25 meh Jun 23 21:14:26 i guess I can't complain, as i'm an advocate for free software Jun 23 21:14:32 but I need money! Jun 23 21:14:37 shades: well, there are some binary apps, Classic for one, but I don't know how that's going to work in the official sdk Jun 23 21:14:52 'binary apps' ? Jun 23 21:14:55 nobody codes in binary Jun 23 21:14:59 you must be crazy Jun 23 21:15:06 shades: That's not what "binary apps" means. Jun 23 21:15:07 or have enough speed to putdown a packaderm of elephants Jun 23 21:15:08 yeah, I'm crazy Jun 23 21:15:17 jblebrun: what does it mean then? Jun 23 21:15:48 shades: He's talking about apps in which the resulting executable object is binary code. Jun 23 21:15:59 compiled apps Jun 23 21:16:01 as opposed to javscript, css, html, etc Jun 23 21:16:01 oh, well why didn't you say that instead ;) Jun 23 21:16:13 apps, in html? Jun 23 21:16:15 oh god no. Jun 23 21:16:19 rwhitby: yeah, i saw they had the module feed, and that's cool, but I can definitely think of some uses for replacing the stock kernel. it probably isn't for the faint of heart, though Jun 23 21:16:24 mojo is JS + HTML + CSS + stuff Jun 23 21:16:34 yeah.. Jun 23 21:16:38 i'm kind of a C/ASM guy Jun 23 21:16:49 I like to physically know where the register is that's holding the information Jun 23 21:17:03 it kind of pisses me off it's not x86 Jun 23 21:17:11 i have to go learn a whole other new processor architecture Jun 23 21:17:18 shades: ARM is cake compared to x86. Jun 23 21:17:28 it better be Jun 23 21:17:38 making that calculator in x86 asm for my final project was a bitch and a half to say the least Jun 23 21:18:20 i didn't think a claculator was 'so complex' until i had to do it Jun 23 21:18:34 who is building our optware packages ? Jun 23 21:18:55 arm is like 100x simpler than x86 :) Jun 23 21:18:57 hemna: autobuilder of nslu2-linux.org Jun 23 21:19:08 roxfan: ugh that's not that great Jun 23 21:19:14 no random prefixes or instruction lengths and whatnot Jun 23 21:19:15 ffmpeg doesn't have v4l support, nor v4l2 Jun 23 21:19:20 was wondering how to change that Jun 23 21:19:21 because I read that as "can't do as many things as x86" Jun 23 21:19:45 shades: Well of course it can't. It's not designed for the same application domain as ARM. Jun 23 21:19:55 when I hear simple, i think, simpleton Jun 23 21:20:06 shades: That's unfortunate for you, then. Jun 23 21:20:20 I had to write out instructions in binary once for an embedded systems design course... we had to design an ARM cpu and show that it worked by feeding it 1s and 0s, those were the worst tools available... I've heard they've since replaced them with something more usable... Jun 23 21:20:23 if it was hard to ccode it should be hard to undestand ;) Jun 23 21:20:27 but yeah, ARM is much more friendly than x86 Jun 23 21:20:40 depends on how you count... in absolute terms x86 is more powerful but arm usually leaves x86 in dust when it comes to performance per watt Jun 23 21:21:13 yeah, i'm totally not use to dealing with battery life Jun 23 21:21:20 being jacked into an ac outlet Jun 23 21:21:52 hemna: http://predev.wikidot.com/optware-cross-compilation Jun 23 21:21:54 i can't wait to go to the doctor tomorrow Jun 23 21:22:01 yah going through that Jun 23 21:22:04 try to repeat the build first Jun 23 21:22:12 trying to figure out how to dink w/ the ffmpeg build options Jun 23 21:22:13 i'll be able to get another bottle full of amphetamine salts at which point I can crack open that ARM manual and polish it off before brunch Jun 23 21:22:16 then change config Jun 23 21:22:46 look at make/ffmpeg.mk Jun 23 21:22:49 Oy. Jun 23 21:23:20 in my opinion, most to all good software was made with some sort of drug aid weather it's as legal as caffine or otherwise Jun 23 21:23:48 and between the hours of dusk till dawn local time Jun 23 21:23:58 8 ) Jun 23 21:24:47 no one seems to be objecting... Jun 23 21:27:39 ritlin ftw Jun 23 21:27:57 it's 'cause it's true Jun 23 21:28:11 yep Jun 23 21:28:18 guilty here Jun 23 21:29:10 destinal: BTW, we fully support ssh in as root, with keys only. Jun 23 21:29:43 shades: Very true. My productive coding has been reduced by 80% since getting married..my wife doesn't let me stay up all night coding anymore. Jun 23 21:30:30 tonycpsu: can you write up a page on steps to replace kernel please? Jun 23 21:30:50 i would if i had edit access to the wiki Jun 23 21:31:29 jlefler, that's because night time is the right time for you to be painting her toenails. Jun 23 21:32:05 sugardave: So how do you know my wife? jk Jun 23 21:32:12 tonycpsu: just /msg'd you the wiki password Jun 23 21:32:44 so...tethering Jun 23 21:32:47 is it cool or is it whack Jun 23 21:32:56 MTW: it's cool, but not here. Jun 23 21:32:56 we don't talk about it here Jun 23 21:35:55 way to bring the room DOWN, man Jun 23 21:36:53 mdklein_: This downloads thing is awesome. Jun 23 21:38:31 mdklein_: I really look forward to that. I hate that you can't DL anything from the Pre's stock browser. Jun 23 21:40:40 jlefler|work: it's all up on the wiki already Jun 23 21:40:52 what's it called? Jun 23 21:41:07 cphelps: Thanks. I'll take a look at it when I get home from work. (Leaving in 20 minutes, if I start pre hacking now I'll stay late) Jun 23 21:41:16 Technobabble: http://predev.wikidot.com/downloading-from-the-browser Jun 23 21:42:54 Whoohoo, you guys are going to be stoked. Jun 23 21:43:22 oh? Jun 23 21:43:55 download thing ? Jun 23 21:44:47 one freaking line of code cphelps ... one line. That's so freaking amazing. Lots of config stuff, and dump their dialog, and add one line. Wow. Jun 23 21:44:58 ? Jun 23 21:45:00 what happens with unknown types? Jun 23 21:45:09 i must have missed something big ? Jun 23 21:45:18 bpadalino|work: I've built a download scene for the browser that stores completed/failed downloads too Jun 23 21:45:22 heh Jun 23 21:45:41 cphelps, interesting .. Jun 23 21:45:58 bpadalino: launches the shit on your media/internal too Jun 23 21:46:04 very cool Jun 23 21:50:10 Rick_: well, three really Jun 23 21:50:24 Rick_: and we really had to dig to figure out how to setup the additional parts on the page scene Jun 23 21:50:40 cphelps: nice work! Jun 23 21:50:44 it's just interesting how much support they had developed and then disabled Jun 23 21:50:51 yeah. That's tricky. I'm still having trouble with it. Jun 23 21:51:12 I'm really having issues trying to get my apps to open files and to switch scenes. Jun 23 21:51:13 destinal_work: Agreed. My guess is the devs pushed to get one last dev cycle in but ran out of time and disabled rather than release untested. Jun 23 21:51:15 But I'll get there. Jun 23 21:51:54 destinal_work: the downloader was most likely an ease of use thing. They disabled it awhile ago. Jun 23 21:52:05 destinal_work: or at least wrote it early on, and didn;'t keep it up Jun 23 21:52:11 the downloader appears to be abandoned *nod* Jun 23 21:52:33 jlefler|work: another possibility is that the functionality was disabled at management request ... Jun 23 21:52:34 yeah, probably disabled for security / tech support reasons :) Jun 23 21:52:35 the style conventions they use are different from elsewhere in their apps Jun 23 21:53:25 I'm just glad it still works Jun 23 21:53:29 cool that they didn't wipe it out entirely, (as you say it's probably handy for them at times) Jun 23 21:53:57 or was at some point in development Jun 23 21:54:01 destinal_work: at least if they can grab old versions of files out of their version control Jun 23 21:54:21 well, adding downloading functionality was simple, by using their controller it just makes things a little more cleaner (and gives an easier way to do the scene thing) Jun 23 21:54:23 mdklein_: have you looked into that launch loop issue yet? Jun 23 21:55:31 I popped a single luna call in the download handler early on and got a file to download without messing with the scene/sources/etc... this current method is much more user friendly Jun 23 21:55:46 cphelps naw, work's been busy today, hoping to play a bit when I get home Jun 23 21:56:05 mdklein_: I am done with the downloader, so I will work on that now. Jun 23 21:56:11 k Jun 23 21:56:29 cphelps, mdklein: have either of you used quilt before? Jun 23 21:56:34 I'm heading home in like 5 minutes, so I'll be back to help then if you still need it Jun 23 21:56:49 rwhitby: nope Jun 23 21:57:02 how about diff and patch? Jun 23 21:57:02 rwhitby: it's for large diffs right? Jun 23 21:57:15 cphelps: sets of patches, yes. Jun 23 21:57:46 just like you're doing here to the palm code - it might be useful to manage the patchset as a single applyable item. Jun 23 21:57:47 rwhitby: it's been years for me, but I will start looking at what it would take to create this hack from scratch on a clean browser Jun 23 21:57:58 I use diff and patch a lot Jun 23 21:58:07 mdklein: how about svn? Jun 23 21:58:10 yep Jun 23 21:58:13 ooooooh. quilt is a set of patches. That's just -bad-..... Jun 23 21:58:18 rwhitby: a single unified diff should be easy Jun 23 21:58:22 that reminds me, I was supposed to set up a repository today... woops Jun 23 21:58:26 I can do that from home... Jun 23 21:58:34 destinal_work: what about new files? Jun 23 21:58:45 destinal_work: for each mod yes, but I'm thinking of how we manage multiple mods that affect the same Palm files Jun 23 21:58:47 it'll include them Jun 23 21:58:50 diff can create files Jun 23 21:59:14 Hey, guys? I don't know if anyone has said this, but the homebrew/hacking community around this device is *awesome*. I want to thank you for everything you've done. It's fascinating, and really great to see things like this happening. I see a bright future for this device, specifically due to you. Jun 23 21:59:22 mdklein_: the options I'm thinking of are either: Jun 23 21:59:26 rwhitby: if they don't affect the same exact lines, unified diffs should handle it. if they do, they're not compatible with each other anyway Jun 23 21:59:42 1) use quilt to manage the patches, and distribute patchsets and apply them with quilt Jun 23 21:59:48 o.o Jun 23 22:00:07 rwhitby: I'll look at it but it just seems like a tool in search of a problem to me. :) Jun 23 22:00:21 2) use svn on the device, create an svn checkout at /, then svn add the files you mod before you modify them, then use svn diff to create the patch. Jun 23 22:00:25 * TommyBres flashes his android tattoo at kevin- Jun 23 22:00:36 I have been very pleased with SVN,but git looks interesting Jun 23 22:00:44 destinal_work: how about patches that overlap in the context area? Jun 23 22:00:45 * kevin- flashes his Microsoft employee badge at TommyBres. Jun 23 22:01:06 destinal_work: the problem we have is basically the same problem that Andrew Morton has for the linux kernel. Jun 23 22:01:15 HAHA Jun 23 22:01:27 a set of patches, created by independent developers, to be applied to a rapidly moving source base (OTA updates) Jun 23 22:01:32 android>palm>dogpoop>msft Jun 23 22:01:35 rwhitby: Have you guys considered Trac? Lots of open source projects use it to manage patch sets etc. Jun 23 22:01:49 rwhitby: that's a good point, I just don't know that we've actually run into it yet at our scale. I'm not saying it's bad to be proactive.. Jun 23 22:01:52 I would agree. WM is a dog, compared to the Pre. Jun 23 22:01:54 trac doesn't really do what you need Jun 23 22:01:54 jlefler|work: I use Trac a lot in nslu2-linux.org and also at work. Jun 23 22:02:09 you need patchqueues, quilt, or something similar Jun 23 22:02:16 jlefler|work: Trac is orthogonal to this discussion however Jun 23 22:02:33 msw: you sound like you have some experience in the area ... ? Jun 23 22:02:40 wm is a dog compared to a dog Jun 23 22:02:44 rwhitby: we use mercurial and the mq extension Jun 23 22:02:59 lol. Jun 23 22:03:21 TommyBres: this is a channel about webos internals. Please take the comparisons to other devices and OS's to #webos. Jun 23 22:03:33 lol yessir Jun 23 22:03:55 rwhitby: you would import the upstream source and do your development on top of it. when it comes time to update, you "pop" your patch off the patch queue, update the upstream source, then "push" your patch back on top Jun 23 22:03:57 * rwhitby wonders if we have mq in optware ... Jun 23 22:04:21 msw: yep, I was thinking quilt pop -a ; OTA update; quilt push -a Jun 23 22:04:37 rwhitby: yea, basically the same Jun 23 22:04:46 rwhitby: after I do some research, I may hit you up on this. Jun 23 22:04:51 rwhitby: if you have mercurial in optware - it's pacakged with it Jun 23 22:04:53 packaged Jun 23 22:05:08 * rwhitby checks Jun 23 22:05:08 rwhitby: or just mail you a copy of what I have, and you can take a look and show me a good procedure Jun 23 22:05:25 off to home. AFK for a while... back with the home name "later" Jun 23 22:05:41 lates Jun 23 22:05:55 rwhitby, I did ---lots--- of refactoring of wiki pages today... Jun 23 22:06:26 rwhitby: python might be a heavy hammer though Jun 23 22:06:31 if I have time tonight, I'll clean up the portal pages and make the front page more functional. But as of now, there are few, if any orphans left that don't BELONG as orphans. Jun 23 22:07:20 bye. Jun 23 22:07:53 hrm Jun 23 22:08:18 rwhitby: I haven't been following the discussion - but what about unionfs'ing the modifications on top - when it comes time to OTA turn off the unionfs, then reconcile changes with the mods, then unionfs it back on top... Jun 23 22:08:24 msw: yeah, and quilt uses Perl too. Jun 23 22:08:39 Rick_: nice work on the wiki Jun 23 22:09:07 msw: interesting idea about unionfs - we use that in openwrt for writeable rootfs on cramfs base. Jun 23 22:09:30 rwhitby: right that's what I was thinking - a la livecd/ro root Jun 23 22:10:00 msw: I'm thinking we need a command line backend that can be easily controlled from a 'select your patches' GUI Jun 23 22:12:30 msw: I was hoping there was something out there that was a multi-patch applying tool, more lightweight than quilt. Jun 23 22:13:47 rwhitby: yea - well, quilt would be lighter than mercurial with mq extension... Jun 23 22:13:48 quilt certainly is the tool of choice for creating the patches, but definitely is heavyweight both in dependencies and probably execution speed on the Pre ... Jun 23 22:14:56 I was actually trying to create an empty git repo in / on a machine, to see if git could be used for this purpose (managing diffs to a sparse set of files in an existing dir structure) Jun 23 22:15:22 But I couldn't work out how to either clone an empty repo into an already occupied directory, or to git init an already occupied directory. Jun 23 22:16:07 I use SVN at work for this purpose - you just create an svn checkout at / and then svn -n add directories and individual files. Then you have a svn repo which captures all local changes on your machine. Jun 23 22:20:53 anybody managed to get the rootfs running under qemu? Jun 23 22:21:20 Anyone know of a way to get the MSL on a Pre that I bought on eBay. It doesn't seem like Sprint could give it to me since I don't have a Sprint account. Jun 23 22:21:49 adns-pre: someone was talking about being able to do that the other day Jun 23 22:21:59 adns-pre: something about DUN and com ports Jun 23 22:22:33 I checked the logs but missed that I'll go back and check again. Jun 23 22:24:33 can someone explain to a non-CDMA but deep GSM person what an MSL is? Jun 23 22:25:30 Master Subsidy Lock Jun 23 22:25:38 it's just a numeric code to unlock certain things Jun 23 22:26:05 if you have it, you can reprogram stuff that only carriers generally care about Jun 23 22:26:54 ok, same as the carrier lock that is in the phone rather than on the sim for a GSM phone Jun 23 22:27:13 I just checked the logs and didn't find anything, I'll look around a let you know what I find Jun 23 22:28:14 adns-pre: since there are no other official carriers for the Pre yet, it's unlikely that we would have discussed it on this channel during the Sprint exclusivity period. Jun 23 22:28:21 adns-pre: no mention of MSL? Jun 23 22:28:50 rwhitby: mercurial can do what you want - "hg init" from / then "hg addremove" to add the file system (probably want to create .hgignore for /proc and /sys first) Jun 23 22:29:02 (things will be so much easier when there is an unlocked rest-of-world GSM release of the Pre) Jun 23 22:29:15 rwhitby: generally they can be used for other things too.. I know on my winmo phone it was useful to increase the rate it checked towers, otherwise phone didn't ring until the caller heard the 3rd buzz Jun 23 22:29:26 but the main use is probably carrier unlocking Jun 23 22:30:14 mdklein: if you're able to unlock the phone according to your TOS with your current carrier, does the carrier give you the MSL? Jun 23 22:31:00 sometimes they'll give it to you if you just ask for it too, with CDMA you still have to get the other carrier to accept the ESN which isn't always the easiest Jun 23 22:31:57 if you get the MSL by means other than directly from your current carrier, is it considered by the current carrier to be breaking the TOS? Jun 23 22:32:05 I'm not sure about the pre though... it seems to get fully programmed over the air... in the past you'd need it when you activated/changed numbers Jun 23 22:33:14 are there only 2 homebrew apps out there right now... i was kinda hoping for more Jun 23 22:33:38 Cr4shOv3rid3: which ones are homebrew anyway? Jun 23 22:33:42 yeah, I was kinda hoping for an SDK release too ... Jun 23 22:33:47 lol Jun 23 22:34:11 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps-tricking-out-be-careful Jun 23 22:34:20 those 2 Jun 23 22:34:26 the pre has been out 2 weeks... dev mode has been available for what? 1, 1 and a half? Jun 23 22:34:32 takes time! Jun 23 22:34:44 lol ya i know... Jun 23 22:34:52 just wonderin Jun 23 22:35:18 And that's not been 1.5 weeks of development thime, that's been 1.5 weeks of "figure out how to develop" time Jun 23 22:35:49 jblebrun: that's what developers mean, when they mean develope time Jun 23 22:36:24 when they say 'compile time' that's when the actual development happens Jun 23 22:36:44 because it's the "oh snap, this looked so great on paper" realization time Jun 23 22:36:57 * rwhitby bbl Jun 23 22:37:19 It's going to be a pain to have to worry about battery life Jun 23 22:37:27 Cr4shOv3rid3: If I could have gotten the phone on opening day, there would be a couple more apps:-) Jun 23 22:37:37 lol Jun 23 22:37:43 ya i waited in line to get mine Jun 23 22:37:47 Unless i'm trying to make an application called "from zero to 60" which would just count down how fast your thing can make the battery drain Jun 23 22:37:52 Cr4shOv3rid3: I'm only on day 6 Jun 23 22:38:01 net time needs to incluse subtracting the non-topic chat that goes on Jun 23 22:38:01 wow Jun 23 22:38:35 nemix: this is linux, that's what grep is for ;) Jun 23 22:38:41 heh Jun 23 22:38:50 Cr4shOv3rid3: not Z3r0c00l? :) Jun 23 22:39:18 nope Jun 23 22:39:20 lol Jun 23 22:39:21 I got the 43rd of 45 pre at the sprint store 30 miles away because when I got to the local one, they refused to sell to non-new customers (it's a franchisee, corporate store I went to said that was not cool) Jun 23 22:39:30 I was more than pissed Jun 23 22:39:46 wow that sucks Jun 23 22:39:52 I hate the local sprint store, if they weren't a repair depot I'd never visit them Jun 23 22:40:45 Authorized re-sellers are slimey. Jun 23 22:40:50 IMLE Jun 23 22:41:14 yeah, I went to the corporate store, refused franchises Jun 23 22:41:23 mdklein_: fixing that look issue was cake Jun 23 22:41:34 mdklein_: which is to say, stopping it was cake. Jun 23 22:41:54 mdklein_: the download manager still doesn't want to retrieve unknown files Jun 23 22:42:13 mdklein: so probably we'll need to add them to the known types Jun 23 22:42:20 cphelps: Did you try adding entries to that application types thing? Jun 23 22:42:27 *late* Jun 23 22:42:30 :-D Jun 23 22:42:46 jblebrun: I've only added ipk. Maybe I will try that, but I bet it's blocked Jun 23 22:45:17 Lets see what happens when zip is added... Jun 23 22:45:21 Just got my Pre :) Jun 23 22:45:27 grats Jun 23 22:46:10 I was think about building a last.fm scrobbler into the music app Jun 23 22:46:17 *thinking Jun 23 22:47:55 Wow Jun 23 22:48:07 edektor: cool Jun 23 22:48:15 Has anyone noticed that the media player throws out a dbus signal for the progress of a song? Jun 23 22:48:57 jblebrun: yep Jun 23 22:49:01 that makes sense, so that the mojo music progress bar thing can work Jun 23 22:49:02 It would be cool cause it would be native to the application.. Or I could do a seperate homebrew Jun 23 22:49:29 edektor: lots of stock application hacking going on Jun 23 22:49:32 I got to get it rooted first Jun 23 22:49:34 edektor: haven't looked at the javascript for the music player front end, but it could be straightforward Jun 23 22:49:53 edektor: It would be cool if you made a standalone scrobbler that did Pandora and local music, too. Jun 23 22:50:06 yeah and I found a javascript wrapper for the last.fm API Jun 23 22:50:31 jbelbrun: I was thinking the same thing Jun 23 22:51:34 :w Jun 23 22:51:36 d'oh Jun 23 22:52:19 no go on downloading zip files even after adding them to the known types repository and restarting Jun 23 22:52:27 must be something else that has to be done Jun 23 22:52:52 cphelps: To command-resource-handlers? Jun 23 22:53:10 yes Jun 23 22:54:16 pdf is pretty much the only thing working for me right now Jun 23 22:54:20 exe and zip definitely not Jun 23 22:56:35 LOL Jun 23 22:56:38 I just tried it Jun 23 22:56:48 Scary Jun 23 22:56:57 Don;t do it Jun 23 22:57:03 that's in the app from the factory Jun 23 22:57:03 Too late ;-) Jun 23 22:57:12 bad shizzle Jun 23 22:57:16 Fun, though Jun 23 22:57:20 I fixed that a bit ago. one line Jun 23 22:57:39 I saw you talking about it earlier Jun 23 22:57:40 it may block streaming to some known apps, but that's better than what it does currently Jun 23 22:57:50 Just didn't realize that's what you meant :-) Jun 23 22:58:05 i read that whole page before trying it out Jun 23 22:58:18 saw that on the bottom it said not to dl any unknown file types, and thought i'd hold off Jun 23 22:58:36 Technobabble: the issue isn't the hack, but the actual default behavior Jun 23 22:58:52 i figured, considering it didn't do ANYTHING before Jun 23 22:59:09 not even dl pdfs and view them in the from the factory pdf reader Jun 23 22:59:22 Technobabble: that's basically what my hack does now Jun 23 22:59:30 Technobabble: since not many other types are supported Jun 23 23:00:23 yeah, i read the page this morning Jun 23 23:01:05 Technobabble: but now I have a download list like the history list Jun 23 23:01:13 Technobabble: which is even more awesome Jun 23 23:04:02 i'll have a look, not really doing much else Jun 23 23:04:13 can we upload pictures to the wiki, or do we have to host them ourselves Jun 23 23:05:17 are you editing with vi or what? Jun 23 23:05:37 I was just rereading some comments by cdm in the archives. they must be getting a good laugh at our exploration / reversing efforts. :) Jun 23 23:06:03 the palm folks generally seem pretty cool Jun 23 23:06:27 destinal_work: most of them are writing JS for a living, so they can't be on too high of a horse. Jun 23 23:07:09 cphelps: except for the people writing the platform itself Jun 23 23:08:44 cphelps: you have to have an app which is registered to accept the filetype. You can't just add zip, it has to be associated with an app. Jun 23 23:09:31 Rick__: I associated it with the PDF viewer Jun 23 23:09:50 uh... I suspect that pdf viewer said "no thanks." Jun 23 23:10:40 Rick__: not sending it to the pdf viewer yet, just downloading with the downloadManager Jun 23 23:11:14 Hey this might be a dumb question, but in some tutorials I see people using apt-get, my phone doesn't seem to have that Jun 23 23:12:02 I know. but are you quite certain that the download manager doesn't check with the registered app? Jun 23 23:12:04 is it normal taht i can't su - from ssh? Jun 23 23:12:29 can I get permissions to add files to the wiki? Jun 23 23:12:43 Rick__: Entirely possible. Jun 23 23:13:22 right now the wiki isn't accepting files. Jun 23 23:13:26 Rick__: The downloadManager is doing a bunch of shit Jun 23 23:13:48 Rick__: any particular reason? I'd like to post screenshots of the download scene Jun 23 23:14:11 is there a limit to how many global search addons you can have? Jun 23 23:14:22 I don't know. Not my wiki. Jun 23 23:15:20 reg Jun 23 23:15:45 Rick__: who is the wiki master? Jun 23 23:16:09 total trouble with my new pre trying to get ssh to work....anyone care to help? Jun 23 23:16:25 mikejaret, where did you leave off? Jun 23 23:16:41 mikejaret: more specifically, which part did you skip? Jun 23 23:16:42 that didn't mean to pm me Jun 23 23:16:45 ANyone know how to get apt-get? Jun 23 23:17:07 sorry pal...i did everything on the wiki...which ive done before now when i try to start sudo is gives me errors Jun 23 23:17:07 sam, there's no apt get on the phone, it's probably in an earlier part of that tut Jun 23 23:18:18 sam1am: Install Debian :-) Jun 23 23:18:50 :/ Jun 23 23:19:19 cphelps: Perhaps try creating a wiki of your own under the account, upload files there, and link to those Jun 23 23:19:35 rhitby: ping -- do you have the ability to grant file upload to the wiki? Jun 23 23:19:57 rwhitby: ping -- do you have the ability to grant file upload to the wiki? Jun 23 23:20:02 ((learn to type) Jun 23 23:20:06 hey i i installed dropbear and openssh....is that a bad thing? Jun 23 23:20:15 yes Jun 23 23:20:17 sure as heck don't need both Jun 23 23:20:21 should have been one or the other Jun 23 23:20:29 ya i know....how the eff do i remove open ssh Jun 23 23:20:46 ipkg-opt remove openssh Jun 23 23:21:41 it says opt/sbin/sshd: no process killed Jun 23 23:21:45 successfully terminated Jun 23 23:21:48 gud? Jun 23 23:21:51 cphelps: emkman owns it. See the contact link at the top of the page. Jun 23 23:23:32 anyone try the tracking script ? Jun 23 23:23:38 whats the output like Jun 23 23:24:29 Robi-: it keeps telling me your mom stole my pre Jun 23 23:24:50 that's constructive Jun 23 23:24:59 * Robi- gives you a lollipop Jun 23 23:25:48 Robi-: sorry dude, I've had my head buried in this Mojo code all damned day Jun 23 23:26:07 if we have the output of $DEST we can work with making a mapping URL Jun 23 23:26:28 cphelps: ya don't lose your mojo over it Jun 23 23:28:54 Robi-: You might have out-useless'd my comment with that one Jun 23 23:29:02 Robi-: http://webos.pastebin.com/m3bad01fc Jun 23 23:29:03 how can i bring the PRE back to factory defaults? Jun 23 23:29:06 mmhmm Jun 23 23:29:11 cphelps you and mdklein just made the front page of precentral Jun 23 23:29:31 bkuberek -- http://www.palm.com/rom Jun 23 23:29:46 Rick__: Thanks Jun 23 23:30:05 jblebrun: awesome Jun 23 23:30:24 Rick__: thanks Jun 23 23:30:34 cphelps/mdkelin: Nice job :_) Jun 23 23:30:58 mr wood unlock the wiki page ;] Jun 23 23:31:07 jblebrun: when it hits Engadget, I'll be stoked Jun 23 23:31:44 nice work cphelps, on the download stuff Jun 23 23:32:12 http://www.engadget.com/tag/caltrain/ :-D Jun 23 23:32:15 opie-x: mdklein_ made most of the breakthroughs with figuring out what we were missing Jun 23 23:32:22 That's my engadget moment Jun 23 23:32:30 congrats you guys Jun 23 23:32:37 mdklein: nice work on the downloads Jun 23 23:32:42 cphelps: you suck! Jun 23 23:32:45 lol Jun 23 23:32:55 =) Jun 23 23:33:23 opie-x: but I did the download to a list hack and all the documentation Jun 23 23:34:03 ohh, ok then you rock again Jun 23 23:39:39 hmm does beaming work from classic to another palm device? Jun 23 23:39:55 Robi-: no Jun 23 23:40:22 there an IrDA port at all? Jun 23 23:40:29 you have to use jedi mind powers to xfer Jun 23 23:40:32 since there's no ir Jun 23 23:40:39 ding Jun 23 23:41:06 Downloader scene pics up. If someone will email me a CLEAN dump of a 1.0.3 browser, I will create a patch Jun 23 23:41:06 it'd be nice to xfer all my apps from the treo to classic Jun 23 23:41:42 USB 3.0 is suppose to be able to communicate device->device w/o having to go through a host computer Jun 23 23:41:51 but yeahh..... Jun 23 23:42:05 Classic doesn't have Bluetooth support? Jun 23 23:42:12 * PreGame is pissed Jun 23 23:43:05 yo, so can i just do a rescan instead of restarting luna if i drop apps into my application path? Jun 23 23:44:25 cphelps: if you put a log call in dosetup in the pdf viewer application in document-assistant.js, we could tell if the download was checking that the created object type matches the mime type submitted. Jun 23 23:44:54 opie-x: Yes Jun 23 23:45:11 hotness, i'm trying to find that command on the wiki now Jun 23 23:45:13 cphelps: if that in fact checked out (if dosetup is being invoked) we could just make a mojo object which was headless, which simply echoed whatever mime type it was handed.... :-) Jun 23 23:45:26 or, perhaps you could tell where it was being called from. Jun 23 23:45:37 its luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Jun 23 23:45:46 Rick__: I feel you. Might check into it later tonight Jun 23 23:46:00 heh, i was ssh'd into the phone and i restarted it and it says that there's a message from root that the system is goign down for reboot NOW Jun 23 23:46:05 Rick__: I am pretty burnt at the moment though. Considering a frosty beverage or two Jun 23 23:46:17 makes sense to me man. Jun 23 23:46:20 Tommrow is another day Jun 23 23:46:39 ahh thanks. Jun 23 23:46:54 Rick__: Please change your name to Rick_Rollins Jun 23 23:47:05 huh? Jun 23 23:47:09 lol Jun 23 23:47:18 jwz is my hero. "Enter whole numbers and round up! Don't be a cheapskate." Jun 23 23:48:21 does jwz not realize this is a down economy? Rounding is out of the eqaution Jun 23 23:48:23 oh gods.. PreGame -- ___SO SLOW___ tonight Jun 23 23:49:04 nice, enabled call durration on the phone Jun 23 23:49:06 bclancy here (I joined earlier today on computer. I'm going to use this nickname here. Jun 23 23:49:10 was wondering why it never had that before... Jun 23 23:50:10 I mentioned that I was willing to help/lead in setting up test procedures as needed by the team. Jun 23 23:50:39 PreGame: you're not making things go UP by rounding DOWN Jun 23 23:50:41 lol;) Jun 23 23:50:54 If anyone is online who wants to talk about that, just let me know. thx -- Bob Jun 23 23:51:25 that sounds interesting Jun 23 23:51:40 well i gotta get back to thees hardware issues so i can get on this fone dealio Jun 23 23:53:34 cphelps: we've disabled uploads on the wiki to prevent copyrighted binaries being uploaded. Jun 23 23:53:56 rwhitby: I just hosted the pictures myself. Jun 23 23:54:19 rwhitby: but I personally feel like you should just warn people not to do that, and if they do, pull the files and kick them out Jun 23 23:54:40 presumed innocent and all of that Jun 23 23:54:43 managing that on a wiki changing as fast as this one would be a nightmare Jun 23 23:55:13 shades: lol Jun 23 23:55:31 cphelps: unfortunately, presumed innocent means administrative overhead :-( Jun 23 23:56:02 cphelps: as you've done, there's plenty of places for people to host files and just link to them. Jun 23 23:56:40 rwhitby: Including creating one's own wikidot wiki, which should be an option accessible to anyone. Jun 23 23:57:02 anyone in the SF bay area insterested in doing a meetup, possibly inviting palm folks to join? Jun 23 23:57:14 I remember when the eeeuser wiki was moving this fast. Refactoring pages for readability took almost all the admin time available. Jun 23 23:57:28 interesting Jun 23 23:58:13 It's really ANNOYING that my personality kicks in and makes me work on noob readability for wiki pages INSTEAD OF WORKING ON MY OWN CODE.... :-) Jun 23 23:58:22 nice, i got the demos of box2d js running ont he pre, not very fast though Jun 23 23:58:51 Rick__: I'm personally very grateful for the people who edit the wiki to make it more readable. without those people the wiki becomes an unwieldly monstor. Jun 23 23:58:53 Rick__: there's some good in being anal Jun 23 23:58:59 Rick__, send me a page to look at, I have a few minutes Jun 23 23:59:14 rick, i remebmer that Jun 23 23:59:23 i bought a 701 and eeedora'd it up Jun 23 23:59:29 opie-x: if you make a page describing what/how, link it off the http://predev.wikidot.com/native-apps-portal page Jun 23 23:59:49 now it's sitting around doing nothing, i seriously doubt the same thing'll happen with this phone though Jun 24 00:00:32 yeah, i got a little ball drop demo Jun 24 00:00:51 what kind of accel readings can you get from luna? Jun 24 00:01:07 anyone know of a good example using accel? Jun 24 00:02:23 Rick_: i'll put something together if i can get the speed up a little, it's pretty unusable at the moment Jun 24 00:02:48 opie-x: The only accelerometer functionality I've seen in apps so far is the "orientatedChanged" callback of webOS apps. Jun 24 00:03:30 so I've been waiting forever until Sprint releases an Android phone, but maybe I should get a Pre instead. Jun 24 00:03:40 tech. My 701 was my constant companion for about a year. Ended up with easy peasy on it. STILL use it when I'm at the coffee shop or quick trips out of town. Jun 24 00:04:00 I heard a co-worker mention the Pre suffers from performance issues? Jun 24 00:04:02 jblebrun: yeah me too Jun 24 00:04:18 warren: uh, no. Jun 24 00:04:45 ah, someone was pointing out the pdfviewer could get a file listing. it can't. that's the applicationManager's job Jun 24 00:04:47 this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.applicationManager', {method: 'open',parameters: { 'id': 'com.palm.app.pdfviewer' }}); Jun 24 00:04:50 warren, what type of performance issues ? Jun 24 00:04:59 Yes, the performance issues are that it's such an awesome phone, I can't handle it. Jun 24 00:05:01 ;-) Jun 24 00:05:07 sluggishness while browsing, using the e-mail app, etc. Jun 24 00:05:31 Rick__: can we move the step with adds the optware directories to the path (step 8 on http://predev.wikidot.com/dropbear-install) to the first optware wiki page? Jun 24 00:05:37 we apparently need to learn how to use lots of interesting services. :) Jun 24 00:05:38 hrm .. i tend to think the browser is rather snappy .. but i am only comparing it to my ipod touch .. Jun 24 00:05:58 the accelerometer can sometimes get stuck - but often times it's faster at switching than the ipod touch Jun 24 00:06:11 ooops. Jun 24 00:06:37 rwhitby of course. Sorry I missed that Jun 24 00:06:58 i'd say the worst part of the pre is sometimes it seems the touch screen events get lost ... often times i will even see the little drop on the screen where i pressed, but the button underneath does not perform its action Jun 24 00:07:24 yeah Jun 24 00:07:31 destinal: this.documentAssistant.openFilePicker(); Jun 24 00:07:43 bpadalino: i'd like to find out the details of the failure Jun 24 00:08:22 shades, i would too .. it's probably just a mishandling of something and an easy software fix once they figure it out Jun 24 00:08:29 but it is the source of some frustration Jun 24 00:08:35 Sorry, errant "returN" press Jun 24 00:08:36 jblebrun: yeah, that's the function I pasted Jun 24 00:09:11 has anyone figure out where the code is that brings up the symbol table ? Jun 24 00:09:19 when the sym key is pressed Jun 24 00:10:11 Is anyone using the Pre mail client with their own IMAP server? Jun 24 00:11:31 i also wonder if there is an easy hack for full finger swipe to switch apps so that they roll around Jun 24 00:11:36 instead of just stopping on the left or right Jun 24 00:17:31 My observations so far are causing me to think the "sluggishness" perception is not really sluggishness, but other things (some which have been addressed in 1.03) ... Jun 24 00:17:50 agiletester: oh yeah ? Jun 24 00:18:31 anyone know what the down gesture is really supposed to be used for? (start in the middle of the screen, and swipe down towards the button ... opposite of what it is to bring up the launcher and/or go into card mode) Jun 24 00:18:58 rwhitby: done Jun 24 00:19:19 1) The accelerometer required having the phone too close to being in planes that were close to 90 degrees to the earth's surface. They relaxed the tolerances in 1.03 and the accelerometer now appears to be speey. Jun 24 00:19:20 it would seem like mapping that gesture to bring up an on screen keyboard would be interesting .. at least small enough to pound out a few characters when you don't want to slide open Jun 24 00:19:25 anyone else got any picky picky things about the rooting procedure as posted? Jun 24 00:19:36 agiletester: that does sound better Jun 24 00:20:07 K, I am having problems with my launcher... It was either the adding of global search addons or add/delete pages.... now my launcher only shows some blank buttons, that do not work, I cannot see any of my apps... I backed up the original files, but accidentaly deleted them, I only messed with global-search-assistant.js, expanded-searches-div.html, global-search.css and launcher-assistant.js, everything else wor Jun 24 00:20:29 peazley: web doctor ? Jun 24 00:20:30 bpalalino: You mean other than scrolling up? Jun 24 00:20:41 rick, scrolling up ? Jun 24 00:20:46 web doctor? what is that? Jun 24 00:20:53 peazley: palm.com/ROM Jun 24 00:20:56 Rick__: might want to add that dropbear and openssh are alternatives, but usb networking can be used with either. Jun 24 00:21:01 oh... Jun 24 00:21:05 peazley: let this be a leson to you, don't play with production machines ;) Jun 24 00:21:14 ls Jun 24 00:21:17 I know... Jun 24 00:21:29 peasly... you can get the original files out of the wedoctor without borking everything. Just use 7zip to extract and find those files. Jun 24 00:21:50 sweet. Jun 24 00:22:11 as long as those files haven't been updated in the 1.0.3 update, which you won't get from the doctor ... Jun 24 00:23:05 we need an updater script for the doctor archive Jun 24 00:23:08 rwhitby, so it isn't 1/2/3 it's 1/2 and oh yes, if you want to use USBnet instead of wifi, here's this.... right? Jun 24 00:23:16 yep Jun 24 00:23:22 we can't copy what's in the update, but we can download it the same way the phone does... hmm.. Jun 24 00:23:25 2) I think my particular device might have some issues with the CPU getting too busy or hot. The result is that the application cards don't flick up - sometimes the cards become very small - This might just be a "user error" that I don't understand. (This IRC channel may understand that issue. I haven't searched the logs yet). Jun 24 00:23:48 define very small. there are two sizes for the cards. Big, and little. Jun 24 00:23:49 (ie we can't post the changes to the wiki, but a script that updates a directory should be fair game) Jun 24 00:23:51 destinal_work: I haven't seen downloading it the same way the phone does documented anywhere yet ... Jun 24 00:23:59 destinal_work: absolutely Jun 24 00:24:18 rwhitby: I'll trace it when I get home Jun 24 00:24:36 So other than that, the Pre is really great! (We shouldn't draw conclusions without researching and experimenting first.) Jun 24 00:24:38 -- over Jun 24 00:25:37 Has anyone used the e-mail client on Pre that can compare it to the Android mail client Jun 24 00:25:38 ? Jun 24 00:25:38 Rick, it's not the full screen, it's a card that goes from big to little. (Not sure what that means) -- thx Jun 24 00:26:07 warren: I've used both, they feel pretty similar Jun 24 00:26:18 more a topic for #webos though Jun 24 00:26:22 oh Jun 24 00:26:23 k Jun 24 00:26:28 warren: you can just use pine 8 D Jun 24 00:26:42 * sugardave loves Pine. Jun 24 00:26:46 pine Jun 24 00:26:57 haven't used it in forever, though Jun 24 00:26:59 it's like all that non-gui stuff from back in the day, except on a non $$t7 screen, with a full keyboard, and full of wicked leetness Jun 24 00:27:08 on a phone! Jun 24 00:27:21 agiletester. no, then taken that way, there are THREE states. Fullscreen, Big Card sideways scrollable card view and Little Card sideways scrollable card view Jun 24 00:27:36 msw: do you do git at all, or mostly hg? Jun 24 00:27:41 is anybody running opensshd on their phone who can tell me the SZ of it from a ps -elf? Jun 24 00:28:04 I'm running dropbear, which is 497k (well, I assume k, possibly pages) Jun 24 00:28:05 lamontsf: yes, I'm still looking for those hard figures Jun 24 00:28:08 rwhitby Done. Jun 24 00:28:50 oh man I just thought Jun 24 00:28:56 I guess I could just install opensshd, but I figured someone here must have tried it already Jun 24 00:28:59 anyone try loading backtrack sources onto this thing?? Jun 24 00:29:03 lamontsf, 1006? Not sure if I have the same thing, though Jun 24 00:29:03 8 ) Jun 24 00:29:10 I use openssh instead of dropbear Jun 24 00:29:14 shades: what are backtrack sources? Jun 24 00:29:22 and that is the size of ssh according to ps -elf Jun 24 00:29:27 shades: you mean the security distro? Jun 24 00:29:44 with the Pre in a vertical orientation, a single card would take up up maybe 5% of the total screen real-estate, and be centered Jun 24 00:29:55 1006? wow, more than 2x dropbear? Jun 24 00:30:02 sugardave: do openssh is 1006, and dropbear is 497? Jun 24 00:30:13 dropbear is purposely tiny, makes sense Jun 24 00:30:13 the 10th column? You're not just reading the PID? Jun 24 00:30:16 er size of sshd Jun 24 00:30:28 pretty sure, it's the column closest to the process name Jun 24 00:30:51 I'm not surprised - that's in line with figures I've seen for the nslu2. Jun 24 00:30:56 the pre seems to be saying - "I'm too busy to deal with you", so here's a visual indication that you should wait while the CPU catches up. (Make any sense to you?) Jun 24 00:30:57 yeah, 10th column Jun 24 00:31:10 ok, thanks Jun 24 00:31:13 np Jun 24 00:31:29 so what's the units of that number? Jun 24 00:32:04 agiletester bring up an app. upstroke to go to card view. Put your finger on the card and hold it there. -- the cards SHRINK. Is that the view you're talking about? Jun 24 00:32:44 yes Jun 24 00:32:48 so, in the rooting instructions, we could say that dropbear is half the size of openssh? Jun 24 00:32:59 rwhitby: linux claims kB Jun 24 00:33:13 agiletester, it's a shrunken view on purpose -- shows more cards. It's also the drag view to allow you to reorder cards. Jun 24 00:34:02 hey folks, I was wondering if setting up wireless Ad-Hoc networking was something that could be discussed here, or if it was too close to that which may not be named Jun 24 00:34:05 great - it happened at the same time as when the device was otherwise slow - I suspected my conclusion may have been wrong - glad this part was wrong Jun 24 00:34:11 now the next part: Jun 24 00:34:21 we would love to have a walkthrough on ad-hoc networking Jun 24 00:34:32 jterhune, should be fine to talk about Jun 24 00:34:42 yes? Jun 24 00:35:07 but if you talk about it, you have to document it. The job isn't done until..... Jun 24 00:35:11 haha Jun 24 00:35:28 I'd love to document it if I knew what I was doing :) Jun 24 00:35:41 yeah, ad-hoc wifi should be fine. Jun 24 00:35:50 just like usb networking is fine Jun 24 00:36:15 destinal_work: yes exactly Jun 24 00:36:17 a page which ties things together in a certain way is currently not fine Jun 24 00:36:24 i totally had an epifiny Jun 24 00:36:29 On the train today, I tried to turn off wi-fi (because I forgot to do so when leaving the house). I got the menu to open up, but then it did not respond with a submenu when I typed the wifi menu ...i Jun 24 00:36:35 it's like this is a gameboy, and the game cartridge that's loaded is backtrack ;) Jun 24 00:36:44 i just need to compile aircrack-ng 8 ) Jun 24 00:37:09 and or whatever other tools I frequenly use Jun 24 00:37:17 I doubt you could like, load wireshark Jun 24 00:37:21 anyone manage to get X running?? Jun 24 00:37:50 shades: I already installed tcpdump Jun 24 00:37:54 I then figured I'd turn off airplane mode - it didn't seem to do anything - a few minutes later, I noticed that it had gone into airplane mode - almost like there was a thread scheduling problem. Jun 24 00:38:41 bbab Jun 24 00:38:52 shades: tshark is in optware Jun 24 00:38:56 * warren further wait and see, seems too early to see how the Pre will be. Still hoping Sprint Android happens... Jun 24 00:39:15 anyone have a ipk tutorial for windows or cygwin? Jun 24 00:39:20 does anyone have a direct link to the web os image from webdoctor, this is going to take a couple hours with palm servers... Jun 24 00:39:24 once in airplane mode, it was still unresponsive, to a request to turn it back on. After a few min, it came back. Sortly thereafter it seemed ok. Jun 24 00:39:25 shades: there is talk that the wifi chip doesn't support the required modes for aircrack, but I haven't seen that confirmed or not Jun 24 00:40:19 that's it for what appeared as "sluggish" stuff for me. - this group can probably explain the last behaviour I just mentioned too. -- thx Jun 24 00:40:21 over Jun 24 00:41:20 shades: if you're serious about testing it, try OpenWrt as a source of packages. Bartman007 and glp and Kaloz should be able to help you there. Jun 24 00:42:19 PreGame: yeah, set up a headless server install of Ubuntu in a VirtualBox VM and use Optware ;-) Jun 24 00:42:43 * rwhitby has never had any success using cygwin for development ... Jun 24 00:42:51 i already tried that but couldn't get a boot media for virtualbox Jun 24 00:43:11 PreGame: just use a normal Ubuntu Install CD .iso Jun 24 00:43:21 I can run you through that if you like. Jun 24 00:43:30 do u have a link to the iso? Jun 24 00:44:02 http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download Jun 24 00:44:24 which version? Jun 24 00:45:09 PreGame: we use 8.04 on the optware autobuilder Jun 24 00:45:12 damn, i always forget to put commit comments on my wiki changes =( Jun 24 00:45:24 but 9.04 may well work too - eno do you know if 9.04 works for Optware? Jun 24 00:46:49 can i use virtualbox to link to files on my pc? Jun 24 00:47:07 there might be a few problems related to libtool 2 Jun 24 00:47:37 PreGame: you can set up shared folders, yes. Or just put your files in a repo somewhere and check them out into both windows and linux. Jun 24 00:47:45 PreGame: use 8.04 Jun 24 00:51:12 * rwhitby bbiab Jun 24 00:53:37 how come you cant open up palms ipk's or the tip calculator ipk but you can open up flipflops ipk with winrar? Jun 24 00:54:00 good question Jun 24 00:54:38 i believe the process we are doing is just taring files while the other ipk's are compressed Jun 24 00:55:14 i will give a corona to the first person that can tell me why my script will not run echo shell commands right Jun 24 00:55:29 PreGame: what's your script Jun 24 00:55:35 though I'm not a drinker Jun 24 00:55:45 bpadalino: Do you know another way to set a value to a system variable such as echo -n 1 > /sys/blah/blah Jun 24 00:55:47 PreGame: /msg it to me Jun 24 00:56:14 not big on corona. but can I cat your script from somehwere? Jun 24 00:56:19 pregame, i thought you really could just open it like a file and print to it Jun 24 00:56:46 pregame, what is your script doing ? Jun 24 00:57:13 you could execute a command .. /bin/sh will take a -c for a command to interpret, won't it ? Jun 24 00:57:34 so you could exec( "/bin/sh -c echo -n 1 > /sys/blah/blah" ) ? Jun 24 00:57:43 right from your java service you wrote ? Jun 24 00:58:08 sudo "set blah=blah1; export blah" ? Jun 24 00:58:29 cat > #webos-internals << HERE Jun 24 00:58:30 1 Jun 24 00:58:32 HERE Jun 24 00:58:48 (not sure if that will wok for you or not, try it) Jun 24 00:59:37 oops, first line sould be cat > /sys/blah/blah << HERE Jun 24 00:59:53 the channel name was in my paste buffer - sorry Jun 24 01:01:07 all cat is doing is an fopen tho .. and writing it in Jun 24 01:01:43 only thing I can guess is that java isn't running with privs to do it Jun 24 01:01:52 shell script and jvm are running with different set of privs Jun 24 01:01:54 java runs as root i thought Jun 24 01:02:00 ok Jun 24 01:02:04 then I guess wrong Jun 24 01:03:59 eep... just a note, "modprobe sd8xxx" freezes and reboots your Pre Jun 24 01:04:05 and lets hope thats all :) Jun 24 01:04:07 awesome Jun 24 01:04:33 PreGame: there are two ipkg formats. One has a 'tar' external wrapping, the other one has an 'ar' external wrapping. Jun 24 01:04:39 I'd find out alot quicker if the pre didn't take 20 minutes to reboot... Jun 24 01:05:37 try #2: anyone in the SF bay area insterested in doing a meetup, possibly inviting palm folks to join? Jun 24 01:06:31 rwhitby Jun 24 01:06:38 i am running ubuntu without installing Jun 24 01:06:39 what now Jun 24 01:06:45 Hey room! In desperate need of help. i keep getting the following message when i try to root via usb... Jun 24 01:06:50 novacomd is not running. Please re-run the NovacomInstaller and try again. If yo Jun 24 01:06:50 u continue to receive this message, please seek help via IRC at #webos-internals Jun 24 01:06:50 on irc.freenode.net. Jun 24 01:06:58 anyone developing a custom app? Curious if you are editing directly on the pre or pushing changes after local dev. (I don't yet have the SDK) Jun 24 01:07:36 PreGame: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware Jun 24 01:07:46 anyone know how to fix? already tried running novacomd.x86.. it didnt work Jun 24 01:07:54 dabigworm, run novacomd manually from teh command line and see what it says Jun 24 01:08:04 PreGame: once you get that set up, there is a script to create an ipkg from a directory structure. Jun 24 01:08:09 * rwhitby bbl Jun 24 01:08:21 i'm new to linux so walk me through it Jun 24 01:08:27 amazing how this room has grown so quickly! Jun 24 01:08:40 dabigworm, also, you may want to netstat -na to see if the daemon is listening Jun 24 01:08:47 i did.. i typed in python.exe novaproxy.py Jun 24 01:09:14 ok.. do a netstat from dos? Jun 24 01:09:18 is your pre in dev mode? Jun 24 01:09:25 yes Jun 24 01:09:28 is the pre connected via usb to the computer? Jun 24 01:09:29 dabigworm, no, I mean run the novacomd daemon from the command line first... I had similar issues cause the daemon wasn't listening Jun 24 01:09:30 i have vista... Jun 24 01:09:37 yes Jun 24 01:09:39 did you run the novacom.msi file? Jun 24 01:09:54 is the palm nova service running on windows? Jun 24 01:10:15 yes.. i c it when i click on safely remove hardware Jun 24 01:10:37 dabigworm, in task manager do you see "novacomd"? Jun 24 01:10:54 it wont be in task manager Jun 24 01:10:58 it will be in services.msc Jun 24 01:11:05 ok.. lemme c Jun 24 01:11:31 PreGame, I had similar issues where the service wouldn't start automatically and I had to launch it manually. After that it did show up in taskmgr Jun 24 01:11:58 no.. i don't c it Jun 24 01:12:24 dabigworm, try this: from the command line, change directory to "C:\Program Files\Palm, Inc\novacom\x86" Jun 24 01:12:36 and then run novacomd Jun 24 01:12:42 ok Jun 24 01:12:43 services.exe - .msc is just the snap in Jun 24 01:12:59 after that, it should show up in task mgr and as listening when you do a netstat -na Jun 24 01:13:12 then run the python script Jun 24 01:14:51 PreGame: ah, I didn't realise you were new to Linux in general. Jun 24 01:15:41 the optware dev pages do assume a fair bit of Linux dev experience. Jun 24 01:16:08 is the novacom directory created when you unzip the the tar file.. the image that i downloaded? Jun 24 01:16:52 dabigworm, that directory is created when you install the Novacom msi Jun 24 01:17:42 FYI http://predev.wikidot.com/meetups Jun 24 01:18:38 jterhune, the novacomx86 installer right? Jun 24 01:20:13 i don't have that directory Jun 24 01:21:55 i guess it never installed properly Jun 24 01:21:57 ... Jun 24 01:22:10 i tried reinstalling but nothing Jun 24 01:22:14 Rick__: pls see /msg Jun 24 01:22:14 dabigworm, run the novacomx86 installer (assuming you aren't running on 64 bit vista). that should install novacomd, probably to C:\Program Files\Palm,Inc\, if you can't find it, do a search for novacomd Jun 24 01:26:56 so has anyone ever got ad-hoc networking working at all? I get errors trying things like "iwconfig eth0 ap any" or "iwconfig eth0 essid 'adhoc'" Jun 24 01:27:37 jterhune: what errors? Jun 24 01:28:05 jterhune: I think I've seen people saying that master modes don't work, but I can't confirm that. Jun 24 01:30:56 rwhitby, "Error for wireless request "Set AP Address" (8B14) :" "SET failed on device eth0 ; Network is unreachable" Jun 24 01:31:57 jterhune: can you strace iwconfig as you do that? Jun 24 01:32:02 (strace is in optware) Jun 24 01:32:22 rwhitby, yup... first I need to figure out how to use strace :) Jun 24 01:32:23 jterhune: that would give Kaloz and co enough info to tell you whether the driver supports it or not I expect Jun 24 01:33:12 thats quite a man page... :) Jun 24 01:34:00 my pdf is ready! Jun 24 01:34:23 bpadalino: which pdf? Jun 24 01:34:31 rough cuts for webos Jun 24 01:34:37 they apparently changed some more stuff Jun 24 01:34:52 bpadalino: you paid for it? Jun 24 01:35:04 yeah - it was less than $20 i think Jun 24 01:35:26 i bought it a long time ago .. back when they first announced it .. Jun 24 01:35:35 it's been good reading so far Jun 24 01:35:41 if only i knew more about this java stuff Jun 24 01:35:45 javascript rather Jun 24 01:36:25 i think they just added a toc to this one Jun 24 01:36:42 what do you mean "it's ready?" You can't download it after you pay for it? Jun 24 01:37:03 ooh lots of app updates Jun 24 01:37:04 sugardave, the rough cuts books are unfinished books that you watch get written .. Jun 24 01:37:11 could watch those install.. Jun 24 01:37:23 so whenever there are new chapters written .. Jun 24 01:37:29 i get an email saying my pdf is now ready to download Jun 24 01:37:59 btw, it seems 20 cards is my limit on my phone ... i run out of memory at that point Jun 24 01:39:00 ouch Jun 24 01:39:41 so each card is a separate memory hogging instance, same app or diff apps? Jun 24 01:41:19 different apps Jun 24 01:41:52 20 cards is a lot .. but if i were a huge texter with a lot of different conversations going on at the same time - i can see that number being quite small Jun 24 01:43:47 is the footprint of each card in memory basically the same, or do they vary widely depending on the app? Jun 24 01:43:48 prolly need a diff phone with larger keyb for that Jun 24 01:44:08 i haven't checked rwhitby .. Jun 24 01:44:13 but it would be nice to figure out Jun 24 01:44:21 i was using my phone today Jun 24 01:44:27 and i noticed i just wanted to type a few letters Jun 24 01:44:34 it would have been nice to not have to slide it open Jun 24 01:44:52 so then i came back home and started looking at the symbol button thing that comes up Jun 24 01:45:04 and it should be easy enough to make a keyboard out of that based on the down gesture Jun 24 01:45:15 wouldn't the memory footprint change depending on if the app were doing "live" updates to the little card view or not? Jun 24 01:45:32 i don't think the live updates really make a difference for memory usage Jun 24 01:46:55 Here are the straces of trying to configure an Ad-Hoc network: http://webos.pastebin.com/m4bd470df Jun 24 01:47:12 i also have my phone go off and play a notification while i was in a meeting today ... that was annoying :( Jun 24 01:48:19 bpadalino: what is the correct syntax for javahy to run a class? Jun 24 01:48:35 ./javahy ClassName Jun 24 01:48:51 rather, just run javahy .. no need for the ./ Jun 24 01:48:52 sorry Jun 24 01:49:05 if you want the strace of your java output, then add javahy -strace ClassName Jun 24 01:49:43 well dont i have to specify the filename? Jun 24 01:49:54 no, java will search your classpath Jun 24 01:50:00 and look for a class called ClassName Jun 24 01:50:05 if it can't find one, it will error out Jun 24 01:50:53 jterhune: does the first iwconfig give an error? Jun 24 01:51:49 rwhitby, no, it goes into Ad-Hoc mode properly. Setting AP to any throws an error, and it won't take an essid setting Jun 24 01:53:40 jterhune: ok, I've exhausted my wireless debugging skills :-) Jun 24 01:53:56 have you tried turning it off and turning it back on again Jun 24 01:54:05 rwhitby, I also added the final output of iwconfig to the bottom just now... unfortunately thats about all I got in terms of wireless debugging skills as well:) Jun 24 01:54:06 weird, the updater app resumes hung downloads on relaunch Jun 24 01:54:22 it lists dup entries for some time then cleans up Jun 24 01:54:33 good ol' garbage collection Jun 24 01:54:54 although, coders that don't release memory/reallocate need to be shot Jun 24 01:55:18 It's a non issue it seems in this higher level programing language Jun 24 01:55:31 auto-evaporate Jun 24 01:55:41 the update app is very slow for me Jun 24 01:55:50 there's a new update already? Jun 24 01:56:04 i'm suprised i'm not being pestered incessantly Jun 24 01:56:35 jterhune: where'd u run iwconfig from? Jun 24 01:56:35 there is? I checked earlier today just for the hell of it Jun 24 01:57:01 robi, root@castle:/var/home/root Jun 24 01:57:41 bah i wasn't su'd Jun 24 01:58:33 ooh Power Management:off Jun 24 01:58:57 anybody root w/ windows 7 Jun 24 01:59:16 socomu: yea, using windows xp mode :P Jun 24 01:59:25 SoCoMu, I just used my xp netbook Jun 24 02:00:12 ya, heard of that, not sur ehow to do. Is it the novacomd giving everyone else trouble rooting on 7? Jun 24 02:00:42 Robi, are you getting the same errors when you try? Jun 24 02:01:42 well it's kinda silent, let me strace it Jun 24 02:01:59 mogren, is xp mode something I have on 7 or i need to dl it? Jun 24 02:02:44 silent is better than what I got Jun 24 02:03:40 Robi, just so I know we had everything the same settings wise... from the GUI before you started, you had WiFi enabled, but you weren't connected to an SSID, yes? Jun 24 02:03:50 i was Jun 24 02:04:00 on my local wifi Jun 24 02:04:23 you try making an alias? Jun 24 02:04:29 no, I didn't try that Jun 24 02:04:48 I've been doing this all through my EVDO connection cause it takes down teh wifi Jun 24 02:04:48 that way wifi would work and you can add an ad-hoc alis Jun 24 02:04:59 that would be ideal Jun 24 02:05:30 i cant make sense of the strace either Jun 24 02:05:49 iwconfig eth0 power on should work Jun 24 02:08:42 iwconfig eth0:0 mode ad-hoc essid pre 10.10.0.10 up Jun 24 02:08:43 Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : Jun 24 02:08:43 SET failed on device eth0:0 ; Network is unreachable. Jun 24 02:12:07 whaaa.... now its working Jun 24 02:12:14 iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc essid pre Jun 24 02:12:15 worked Jun 24 02:12:25 ;] Jun 24 02:12:33 i got eth0:0 to come up using ifconfig Jun 24 02:12:47 but iwconfig doesn't distinguish/list it Jun 24 02:13:04 yeah, I'm not sure you can do aliases with wireless Jun 24 02:13:25 its not a wifi function, but an ethX one Jun 24 02:13:46 so you can do extra IPs / routing but not multimode wifi Jun 24 02:13:53 ;[ Jun 24 02:14:00 but that's fine since we have evdo Jun 24 02:14:09 yeah Jun 24 02:14:42 I'm going to put this together with the library PreGame wrote and make an app with an ad-hoc switch Jun 24 02:14:48 so now we just need an app with a slider to set this with an IP, dpcpd, and wifi pre-cloud here we come Jun 24 02:15:00 er dhcpd Jun 24 02:15:20 yup, I hope to have that running tomorrow... the PreGame's library lets you call shell scripts easily, and I can do the rest with start-stop-daemon Jun 24 02:15:36 sweet, what we gonna call it? Jun 24 02:15:47 i can start a wiki page Jun 24 02:15:58 first I have to make sure PreGame is cool with it, I don't think he specifically released his stuff under any license Jun 24 02:16:22 that's fine, he'll likely jump for joy Jun 24 02:16:46 and I can scratch my dev idea off the wiki.. :P Jun 24 02:16:51 too bad I suck at coding, it would be nice to be able to configure things like IP and SSID name from the app Jun 24 02:17:09 but hell, something that works is better than nothing Jun 24 02:17:09 it's just another shell call Jun 24 02:17:50 altho for this the ID should be a constant so they're all the same, to enable pre2pre sharing etc Jun 24 02:18:10 hmm wont matter since the wifi app will let you pick any you see Jun 24 02:18:11 nm Jun 24 02:20:02 woot simplyflipflops is in for a meetup! :P Jun 24 02:21:34 jethune, what do i do if novacmd.msi doesn't install properly.. it never creates the directory.. i checked in program files and also did a search for the folder Jun 24 02:25:03 dabigworm, what os you have? Jun 24 02:25:12 jterhune, what do i do if novacmd.msi doesnt install properly.. it never created the directory.. i checked the program files and also did a search for the folder Jun 24 02:25:15 vista Jun 24 02:25:23 i'm using x86 Jun 24 02:26:12 I'm on 7 and it does the same exact thing, they just told me to use virtual xp Jun 24 02:26:31 i need help!?!? Jun 24 02:26:34 anybody? Jun 24 02:26:47 ooooooo.. is that just a simple install? Jun 24 02:27:06 500mb dl from ms Jun 24 02:27:16 o ok.. coo.. free? Jun 24 02:27:23 ya Jun 24 02:27:35 great! thanks Jun 24 02:28:24 i can't get the novaproxy file downloaded am i doing something wrong? Jun 24 02:29:58 can anybody help me?? Jun 24 02:30:05 whats wrong with novaproxy dl? Jun 24 02:30:35 i went to the site and there is no download file. I copied the text and made a txt file, but I cant get my pre rooted Jun 24 02:30:48 it's annoying me. I know it's something stupid i'm missing Jun 24 02:33:42 are there any good tutorials to get tethering with os x? Jun 24 02:33:52 topic plz Jun 24 02:35:00 anyone else think the sounds and ringers are too soft / not loud enough? Jun 24 02:35:06 has anyone ran into a problem after following the dropbear wiki of not being able to ssh in? Jun 24 02:35:15 destinal: You here? Jun 24 02:35:20 i get a network error connection refused Jun 24 02:35:51 and now i cant even novaproxy in. it tells me it cant find the device Jun 24 02:36:27 slikone27: no - it has worked for everyone before you :( Jun 24 02:37:01 is there something i have to do to get back in through novaproxy? Jun 24 02:37:14 dev mode? Jun 24 02:37:21 its on... Jun 24 02:37:33 i even tried turning it off and back on Jun 24 02:39:58 any ideas or anything i can try? Jun 24 02:41:57 can anybody help me with error **************** novacomd couldn't find your Pre. Ensure it is plugged in and in Developer Mode, and try again. *************** Jun 24 02:42:34 NxlKing2304: switch everything off, reboot everything, start from scratch. best I can do unfortunately. Jun 24 02:42:38 slikone27 what is the ip address of the Pre? What is the ip address of your desktop? Jun 24 02:43:02 they are both on the same network Jun 24 02:43:06 i can ping it fine Jun 24 02:43:09 NxlKing2304 -- battery out -- wait -- battery in try again. Jun 24 02:43:15 ok thanks, I willl try that. Jun 24 02:43:16 brb Jun 24 02:43:24 ok, you can ping it. that helps. Jun 24 02:43:38 yea i can ping it fine... its there Jun 24 02:43:46 ok. Dropbear right? Jun 24 02:43:55 yea dropbear Jun 24 02:44:08 ok do: initctl start optware-dropbear Jun 24 02:44:08 i can novacomd back to it either Jun 24 02:44:35 i cant get back in as root to do that Jun 24 02:45:36 oh. You disconnected the telnet session before testing ssh? (in contravention to the instructions? ) Or is this after reboot? Jun 24 02:45:44 oh poo Jun 24 02:45:59 rootfs_open -r does a reboot Jun 24 02:46:12 disconnected before... Jun 24 02:46:21 sorry. next time, don't do that. Jun 24 02:46:23 :-) Jun 24 02:46:34 do i have to do a hard reset? Jun 24 02:46:38 ok slikone27 -- battery out -- wait -- battery in -- re-do novacomm Jun 24 02:46:49 ok... hold Jun 24 02:47:15 you on windows? Jun 24 02:48:19 Robi-: did you mean 'AP' functionality on http://predev.wikidot.com/ad-hoc-networking ? Jun 24 02:48:31 yes i am on vista sp2 Jun 24 02:48:46 ok Jun 24 02:49:10 after you get the palm reconnected, check device manager and make sure that a novacomm device is showing up without a yellow ! Jun 24 02:49:18 it is powering back on now Jun 24 02:49:28 if it isn't, uninstall the novacomm drivers and reinstall them. Jun 24 02:49:46 if it is, you're goig to re-run talk.py Jun 24 02:49:52 then you'll be able to telnet in Jun 24 02:50:01 ok... Jun 24 02:50:33 talk.py or novaproxy.py? Jun 24 02:51:39 well, which way are you going? Wifi, or usb? Jun 24 02:52:15 usb Jun 24 02:52:32 make sure dev mode is turned on Jun 24 02:52:49 i got it back up adn i see usb mass storage with yellow ! Jun 24 02:53:04 then pick up at step 9 on the novaproxy page Jun 24 02:53:15 ok hold Jun 24 02:53:17 yellow means your novacomm driver is hosed. Jun 24 02:53:19 dev mode is on Jun 24 02:53:29 should i reinstall them? Jun 24 02:53:36 uninstall and reinstall them. Jun 24 02:54:25 ok... uninstalling now Jun 24 02:54:38 god willing, that works and you don't have to run webosdoctor Jun 24 02:55:33 NxlKing2304 -- how YOU doing? Jun 24 02:55:43 rwhitby: I imagine that he means "app" as in enabling Ad-Hoc mode from a GUI application. Jun 24 02:55:44 its been saying preparing to remove for a while... Jun 24 02:56:05 patience grasshopper. You may have to re-boot the pc Jun 24 02:56:08 rwhitby: In any case, the information he has there (I.e., the standard iwconfig method for going into Ad-Hoc mode) won't work without additional steps. Jun 24 02:56:26 thanks rick... i really appreciate the help Jun 24 02:56:57 hey rick, how you doing? Jun 24 02:56:59 if the uninstall fails, try rebooting the pc, then check and see if the yellow went away. if not then re-try uninstalling. Jun 24 02:57:11 I am doing ok. did the out and in work for you??? Jun 24 02:57:23 well got it connected but not sure how to login Jun 24 02:57:38 when you say it got connected, what do you mean? Jun 24 02:57:43 rwhitby: sorry.. newp, like jblebrun said.. ad hoc only Jun 24 02:57:55 did putty and it says root@castle:/# Jun 24 02:58:01 if you see "root@castle #" then you ARE logged in Jun 24 02:58:10 that's the prompt when you're logged in as root Jun 24 02:58:15 you're in. Jun 24 02:58:21 hmmm, so what's next? Jun 24 02:58:33 pick up at the top of this page: http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting Jun 24 02:58:42 and follow it EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY Jun 24 02:58:51 Do not mis-type. Jun 24 02:59:08 holy crap your right, lol Jun 24 02:59:24 rick... still stuck at preparing to remove. should i reboot and try? Jun 24 02:59:32 i did the ls -all and i se it, Thanks, now to mess with it. Does anybody know how to enable java virtual machine? Jun 24 02:59:42 Slik, I think you're el-stucko _I_ would reboot. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 24 02:59:57 2009