**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 01 02:59:57 2009 Jul 01 03:00:02 i made the function set this.carrierName to a string i specified Jul 01 03:00:09 err getCarrierNameQueryDone() Jul 01 03:00:30 that will probably break eri Jul 01 03:00:41 so you won't know when roaming Jul 01 03:00:42 yeppers. Why not change it at the display point instead Jul 01 03:00:47 tmzt, if you get the compiler for the c64x+ then you can put code on it .. Jul 01 03:01:00 no llvm backend yet? Jul 01 03:01:00 rboatright: where's that? Jul 01 03:01:12 i just found the file 2 min ago :) Jul 01 03:01:21 oh frigga snagga mutter mutter. Jul 01 03:01:25 hang on Jul 01 03:01:27 tmzt, it's all TI proprietary Jul 01 03:01:40 for their VLIW architecture and whantot Jul 01 03:01:54 I know the st5udio application is available Jul 01 03:01:54 i think the lite tools are just commandline for their code composer studio stuff Jul 01 03:02:08 /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/views/bar/bar-scene.html Jul 01 03:02:24 if fuound a old book on c56x or whatever it was Jul 01 03:02:37 not too complicated Jul 01 03:02:39 rwhitby, anyone tried making gstreamer plugins into optware? Jul 01 03:02:52 hemna: don't think so. Jul 01 03:03:02 contributions are welcome :-) Jul 01 03:03:03 but it's probably changed a lot Jul 01 03:03:14 helfire, I got crond schedules to work w/ the screen off Jul 01 03:03:15 tmzt, not at all - but it's amazing what you can do with 8 instructions at a time Jul 01 03:03:30 or maybe it's only 4 for the dsp in the omap :( Jul 01 03:03:40 hemna: what does your /etc/events/cron look like? Jul 01 03:04:04 (or where ever that is, my pre's rebooting :) ) Jul 01 03:04:19 I didn't touch the /etc/events.d/crond file Jul 01 03:04:46 hmm, i thought i read on the wiki crond wasnt running by default Jul 01 03:05:09 I ran mine manually initctl start crond Jul 01 03:05:37 Hate to jump in. I've been through the WebOS.tar but perhaps not as much as some here. I am trying to locate the file or set of files that would be needed to backup bookmarks Jul 01 03:05:38 mkdir -p /etc/cron/crontabs Jul 01 03:05:45 mkdir -p /var/spool/cron/crontabs Jul 01 03:05:47 crontab -e Jul 01 03:06:03 */1 * * * * echo "foo" >> /tmp/foo.log Jul 01 03:06:15 so for patch creation, I've had the tree from webos doctor and made changes in a copied tree, then ran diff -u to create the patch file. But it seems we're suggesting doing this on device. How would that work? Jul 01 03:06:23 hemna: do they support a cron.d directory? Jul 01 03:06:35 I dunno Jul 01 03:06:40 crontab -e Jul 01 03:06:44 hemna: that'd be preferred, then you can name files in /etc/cron.d/ which do not collide with palm files Jul 01 03:06:52 hemna: thanks, i was following two sets of instructions and both made it more complicated, thanks Jul 01 03:06:54 complained about /var/spool/cron/crontabs not existing Jul 01 03:07:00 woot, got the carrier to be my name Jul 01 03:07:06 congrats Jul 01 03:07:12 hemna: (we do it that way in optware crond so that packages can just drop files in that directory) Jul 01 03:07:29 yippee. just found it sorry, Distracted by our cats jumping in my lap Jul 01 03:07:30 i'll have to hang out here more often, i get alot farther poking around :) Jul 01 03:07:43 hrmm...crontab -e wanted to use /var/spool/cron/crontabs Jul 01 03:07:50 drnull_: cd / ; quilt new ; quilt add ; vi ; quilt refresh Jul 01 03:08:01 which then for some reason wanted to symlink to /etc/cron/crontabs Jul 01 03:08:28 /etc/cron.d is for system level crontab entries though Jul 01 03:08:32 crontab -e is for user level Jul 01 03:08:36 afaik Jul 01 03:08:41 be cool to keep the whole phone under git version control, so if you poke around too much you could revert Jul 01 03:08:48 let me dink w/ /etc/cron.d Jul 01 03:08:50 and merge with palms patches Jul 01 03:08:56 hemna: when the user is root, there's no difference, right? ;-) Jul 01 03:09:04 I've been through the WebOS.tar but perhaps not as much as some here. I am trying to locate the file or set of files that would be needed to backup bookmarks Jul 01 03:09:07 rwhitby, affirmative Jul 01 03:09:21 zodttd: found some useful info on pulseaudio at http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio Jul 01 03:09:21 shold make a crond page on the wiki (if you're lucky enough to have wiki rights :) Jul 01 03:09:22 shariteau: it's most likely stored in /var somewhere on the phone ... not in the webos.tar Jul 01 03:09:23 sorry Jul 01 03:09:32 hemna: does Palm's crond have anything special you can see, compared to normal vixie cron (which is in optware)? Jul 01 03:09:39 shariteau: you'd have to poke around in the sqlite databases most likely Jul 01 03:10:02 i understand this, however I was poking around the tarfile to locate the db with the default bookmarks, Jul 01 03:10:07 helfire: wiki rights are available to anyone who asks Jul 01 03:10:16 shariteau, One sec Jul 01 03:10:17 cool Jul 01 03:10:44 I'll make a stub and we can get this figured out. But not tonight, stupid work in the AM Jul 01 03:10:53 looks like Palm is using crond from Busybox Jul 01 03:11:07 yep Jul 01 03:11:09 any filenames i should be looking for. I've found enough evidence from a js file that the bookmarks and images are stored in html5 in a db somewhere Jul 01 03:11:16 shariteau, anyway go to cd /var Jul 01 03:11:16 hemna: if there's no difference between palm's cron and the optware cron, it might be better to use the optware one, since then we can add features, and also then the cron files are outside of the OTA update collision area ... Jul 01 03:11:25 i installed optware cron to get cacti working, as i've never used busycron Jul 01 03:11:27 execute find . -name *.db* Jul 01 03:11:28 im there Jul 01 03:11:42 look for the one that says palm.com.app.something.browser Jul 01 03:11:59 you'll need to run sqlite3 /path/to/that/file.db Jul 01 03:12:20 and then you can do .tables, should show that you have a History table, in there you can execute SQL queries to do whatever you want Jul 01 03:13:45 drnull_: does that quilt patch creation process work for you? Jul 01 03:14:10 rwhitby: still reading/absorbing the man page. :) Sorry. Jul 01 03:14:30 makes sense, yes, and seems extremely easy. Just trying to understand the process Jul 01 03:16:05 hrmm Jul 01 03:16:16 Thanks for the info Jul 01 03:16:20 everytime I bounce crond, it nukes the crontab -e user entries Jul 01 03:16:54 hemna: another reason to use the optware one ;-) Jul 01 03:17:02 yah Jul 01 03:18:12 optware has been designed over 4 years and many embedded devices to work even when / and /etc are in rom ... Jul 01 03:18:23 (as is the case with some routers) Jul 01 03:20:55 I have a post on the palm sdk forums about gstreamer access to the camera Jul 01 03:21:04 looks like Chuq is forwarding my request to the engineers Jul 01 03:22:06 really? Jul 01 03:22:25 isn't gstreamer off limits ? Jul 01 03:23:32 "Walt: Jul 01 03:23:32 Jul 01 03:23:32 apologie for running slow here, I'm behind on handling escalations. I've escalated this to the engineers to see if they know a way. Tracking reference is cm-593" Jul 01 03:23:38 :) Jul 01 03:24:08 neat Jul 01 03:24:14 bpadalino: why would it be off limits? Jul 01 03:24:17 yah I was surprised by that response Jul 01 03:24:39 gives me warm and fuzzies about Palm's developer support Jul 01 03:24:46 rwhitby: for palm sdk forums to have gstreamer do stuff - i didn't realize palm sdk forums discussed more than just js/html/css/mojo ... Jul 01 03:25:49 bpadalino: hopefully one day they'll be open enough for us to find out ;-) Jul 01 03:25:57 hehe Jul 01 03:26:10 one day i am sure ... Jul 01 03:28:35 hemna: make sure nebula isn't taken as a forum nickname ;) Jul 01 03:29:28 rwhitby: can you not quilt add a directory? Jul 01 03:30:02 drnull_: dunno. Jul 01 03:30:22 I'm getting "Could not link file `usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.musicplayer' to `.pc/bookmark.patch/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.musicplayer': File exists" Jul 01 03:30:37 but it didn't exist before I did it (I backed everything out) Jul 01 03:31:12 bah, browser is opening new windows continuously Jul 01 03:31:24 drnull_: ah, that'll be trying to write a file on a directory name Jul 01 03:31:33 guess that's why it doesn't support directories. Jul 01 03:31:38 gotcha Jul 01 03:41:19 got bored of geeky convos ?wanna try something better ? join ##webcam Jul 01 03:41:59 great, we're popular enough now for drive-by irc spam. Jul 01 03:42:11 heh Jul 01 03:42:13 how can you get bored of geeky conversations? Jul 01 03:42:37 they could have at least created ##webos-cam ... Jul 01 03:43:06 I got excited for a second..."A whole channel just for making a webcam of the Pre?!" Jul 01 03:43:16 Intense dev session there Jul 01 03:47:38 searedice, trying to get picts off the cam ? Jul 01 03:48:57 I haven't, but I also haven't seen discussion of it (though, I haven't been around the IRC room for a couple of days due to RL stuff) Jul 01 03:50:20 I imagine I'd have to do some custom service stuff anyway, to do anything interesting in an app with the cam...too ambitious for my attention span right now :P Jul 01 03:50:32 I've been trying to get a pict using gst-launch from the command line Jul 01 03:50:35 not much luck though Jul 01 03:51:06 * searedice fires up PuTTY Jul 01 03:51:24 gst-launch -v camsrc take-picture=true ! palmjpegencfilesink location=/tmp/foo.jpg Jul 01 03:51:28 that's as far as I've gotten Jul 01 03:51:32 it tries...but bails Jul 01 03:53:57 uhh, update will install at next charge Jul 01 03:56:51 can't install apps thru email Jul 01 03:57:09 didn't upg to 1.0.4 yet Jul 01 03:57:26 it was fixed Jul 01 03:57:48 by just teh notification of an update? Jul 01 03:58:01 tharris-: The note on the Feature Changes page is nice ;-) Jul 01 03:58:39 Yes it is =p Jul 01 03:59:09 ill be documenting everything as i go through it Jul 01 03:59:12 http://tlhsecurity.blogspot.com/ check it out Jul 01 03:59:49 does the 1.0.4 update break anything with regards to homebrew stuff? ssh access etc.. Jul 01 03:59:55 nope Jul 01 03:59:59 not that i know of Jul 01 04:00:03 I've kept my updater apps -x'd so I can apply updates manually at my leisure Jul 01 04:00:08 wants to install the update in 10 min, heh Jul 01 04:00:52 btw, also grats for industry shoutout to you tharris ;) Jul 01 04:00:55 nice tharris- Jul 01 04:02:41 In Tampa? Jul 01 04:03:06 Just read the blog. Didn't know there was anyone else with a Pre around here. :P Jul 01 04:04:02 hehe yeah Jul 01 04:04:44 night all Jul 01 04:04:47 night Jul 01 04:06:30 I've mine since 6/14, and in all that time I've only seen one other person with a Pre Jul 01 04:06:58 the only time I've seen another Pre was in the Sprint store Jul 01 04:09:21 i don't really whip mine out much in public ... Jul 01 04:09:51 I don't live in the best part of town, so yeah I kinda keep it tucked away :P Jul 01 04:11:10 I'm usually surrounded by iphone heads at work Jul 01 04:11:39 feels good to be different, while it lasts Jul 01 04:11:45 Aye Jul 01 04:11:59 The Pre's good for a few dumb stares from iPhone folks :P Jul 01 04:12:31 "o_____o what is thaaaat" Jul 01 04:12:59 At least I haven't gotten any "Oh, is that the new iPhone?" Jul 01 04:13:34 psykoz: 1.0.4 is fine Jul 01 04:14:04 normal app installation is unaffected. the email install vulnerability is fixed. Jul 01 04:14:51 rwhitby I wish I had seen the quilt instructions before. Jul 01 04:14:51 * rwhitby posts http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1722986 Jul 01 04:15:01 now I have to go back and recreate them... Jul 01 04:15:01 newman314: they are very new. Jul 01 04:15:55 is there a way to copy from gitorious to github? Jul 01 04:16:00 ISTR that someone mentioned a way to reload changes w/o rebooting the device. If that's doable, how? Jul 01 04:16:05 newman, yes - kind of .. Jul 01 04:16:11 I prefer using github since I already have an acct threre. Jul 01 04:16:14 newman, make a repo at github ... and add it as a remote Jul 01 04:16:20 you can then push to all remotes Jul 01 04:16:46 oh you mean, pull from gitorious to local then to github? Jul 01 04:16:53 yeah Jul 01 04:17:50 hmm I guess that works, I was originally thinking more gitorious to github directly. Jul 01 04:17:52 newman314: we chose gitoriuous, since the source code for the site is open source, and then we can host our own in the future if necessary. you're welcome to join the team there :-) Jul 01 04:18:02 heh Jul 01 04:18:06 I might. Jul 01 04:18:38 newman, not sure if you can fork gitorious -> github directly Jul 01 04:18:47 let me see Jul 01 04:19:45 i like how gitorious allows multiple git repo's to be associated with a single project (webos-internals being the project) Jul 01 04:21:14 are we going to need another app catalog app for our homebrew packages? Jul 01 04:22:27 hemna: depends. I'm hoping we can automatically upload updates from our git repo to the official Palm app catalog. Jul 01 04:22:42 that would be nice Jul 01 04:22:54 git commit -> new version in app store. all automatic. Jul 01 04:22:59 I'm sure Palm will have some kind of review for official app catalog apps though Jul 01 04:23:50 probably should have some form of testing in between git commit and the version being available in the app store no ? Jul 01 04:28:44 indeed :-) Jul 01 04:29:29 all the infrastructure that is being set up will support a future alternate app store gui app if required. Jul 01 04:32:26 current palm app catalog app is pretty big Jul 01 04:32:31 just reading through the code Jul 01 04:37:12 tonycpsu: nice custom kernels page! http://predev.wikidot.com/custom-kernels Jul 01 04:40:45 rwhitby: well, my eyes are kinda blurry, and I know I don't totally understand the whole git origin thing, but are the last few sections here relatively correct? http://predev.wikidot.com/applying-patches Jul 01 04:42:02 drnull: as far as I can tell, perfect. Jul 01 04:42:39 folks, I think we have a patch workflow :-) Jul 01 04:43:41 quilt rocks. Jul 01 04:44:08 *finally* someone gets it ;-) Jul 01 04:44:17 thanks for helping me get my brain wrapped around it. Time to sleep and let it gel some. :) Jul 01 04:44:36 drnull: thanks for helping document the flow. I really appreciate it. Jul 01 04:46:11 rwhitby looks nice, can't wait to try it. Jul 01 04:47:57 but alas, I must head off to bed now. Jul 01 04:55:16 git is 4.8M too .. compressed stable Jul 01 04:57:09 with gzip or bz2 Jul 01 05:00:06 gzip Jul 01 05:10:00 for Global Search Addons, I can add sites just fine, reddit/imdb but when I try to remove twitter, i get error(launcher looks all messed up), any know why? Jul 01 05:10:28 known problem. You cant remove twitter. They paid palm huge bux for that bug. Really. :-) Jul 01 05:10:38 ... Jul 01 05:10:58 twitter rules Jul 01 05:11:01 or is there a limit to how many global search's you can have? Jul 01 05:12:14 probably as many as the screen holds, but possibly even more and then youd have to scroll Jul 01 05:12:17 chron_: get anywhere with bootloader? Jul 01 05:13:04 so, if i did something manually, such as the bookmarks manager, should i apply the patch? or not bother? Jul 01 05:13:33 especially since i dont think i backed up the files too well... Jul 01 05:16:45 you sure you paying mind to the commas at the end of the lines, James? Jul 01 05:16:58 Each line in that set needs a comma at the end, except for the last Jul 01 05:17:52 holy shit, i think that was it Jul 01 05:17:58 hah! figured how to generate keys with dropbear Jul 01 05:18:01 we need a patch that puts a dummy entry at the end, so that other patches don't need to worry about that. Jul 01 05:18:12 ty rawdr Jul 01 05:19:13 welcome. that bug bit me from the get go as well Jul 01 05:33:13 what the phuck, i swear, i get rid of twitter on global search addons, and it doesnt work, wtf Jul 01 05:33:51 plz tell me your kidding rboatright Jul 01 05:34:24 JamesBaud: your kidding rboatright Jul 01 05:34:25 :D Jul 01 05:35:01 i cant remove twitter from global search, i swear Jul 01 05:35:37 I got rid of twitter Jul 01 05:36:04 it finally works!!! Jul 01 05:36:04 alli really need to do it remove it from expanded-searches-div.html, right? Jul 01 05:36:13 no Jul 01 05:36:17 you have to remove it from several places Jul 01 05:36:20 rwhitby: I'll start working on a patch :) Jul 01 05:36:21 or it breaks stuff Jul 01 05:36:23 awwwwwww Jul 01 05:36:32 god i hate twitter Jul 01 05:36:53 I also found at least on my phone removing twitter messed up the global search, so I had to add something else in its place Jul 01 05:37:02 Jakie - do you have any idea where Mojo.Log writes stuff? Jul 01 05:37:09 I ended up making the 4th option direct to my personal wiki's search which is very helpful for me Jul 01 05:37:10 so i have to remove from global-search-assistant.js and global-search.css? Jul 01 05:37:26 ok, ok, i see Jul 01 05:37:31 jamesbaud, read predev wiki "adding a global search" and do the reverse of that writeup for twitter Jul 01 05:38:15 "do the reverse of that writeup" ? Jul 01 05:38:29 ill just replace it Jul 01 05:38:38 twitter with imdb Jul 01 05:40:25 wait, cant i just change the actual search url and image, then keep everything else there? Jul 01 05:41:16 I've already explained to you, if you go to the predev wiki and look at the global search addon (like I did) it'll give ou all the information you need Jul 01 05:41:19 sup! Jul 01 05:41:35 I ended up doing all that information to add my own personal search and then also removed out the twitter stuff and it worked for me, that's all I can really share Jul 01 05:41:37 i am, i got it now, ty Jul 01 05:41:39 new to the channel - came in from http://predev.wikidot.com/building-webos-mojo-applications Jul 01 05:42:24 has anyone noticed that twitter search is part of universal search but not part of browser search? Jul 01 05:42:31 dotnetprodev: welcome. note that we use #webos for general webOS SDK stuff rather than -internals stuff. Jul 01 05:42:54 what would classify as "internals"? Jul 01 05:43:02 any idea how to add it to browser search? I've only seen the instructions for global search Jul 01 05:43:21 dotnetprodev: stuff below the published (or not published yet, as the case may be) official Palm APIs. Jul 01 05:45:37 I attempted to root my pre this evening... however after i got to root@castle:/# everything i typed was doubled i.e. when I hit 'r' 'rr' appeared etc... Jul 01 05:45:48 Anyone have any idea what I may have been doing wrong? Jul 01 05:46:03 eecchhoo Jul 01 05:46:13 iinn tthhee tteerrmmiinnaall Jul 01 05:46:32 So this is normal? Jul 01 05:47:17 are you in raw mode ? Jul 01 05:47:21 what are you connecting with Jul 01 05:47:41 Yes in raw via navoproxy Jul 01 05:48:39 MLJones8: copy and paste, enable ssh, then ssh in Jul 01 05:51:06 I didn't think to try copy&paste... I disabled dev mode as not to leave anything unsecure I'll have to reboot Jul 01 06:15:06 Does anybody screen move left and right a little? Jul 01 06:15:34 the screen of your pre? Jul 01 06:15:46 the top half? Jul 01 06:15:56 yeah the pre Jul 01 06:16:17 i dont have one yet, but i read some comments about some screens "twisting like oreos" Jul 01 06:16:33 like mfg defect Jul 01 06:20:09 error: /opt/bin/quilt: line 145: bash: command not found when running quilt, ideas? Jul 01 06:20:10 Mine swivels just a little bit. Jul 01 06:22:33 how bout scraped on the edges above the keyboard? Jul 01 06:23:00 *scrapes Jul 01 06:23:09 ipkg-opt says i've got quilt, git, util-linux-ng, bash 3.2 all installed Jul 01 06:23:15 opie-x: did quilt install bash as a dependency? Jul 01 06:23:31 opie-x: do you have /etc/profile.d/optware setting the path? Jul 01 06:23:44 no do i need that Jul 01 06:23:51 =) Jul 01 06:23:57 r2xj_, that I dunno...my modem fried a few days ago and Sprint replaced my phone yesterday. Brand new. Don't remember any with the old phone though. Jul 01 06:24:13 opie-x: absolutely, step 10 on http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting Jul 01 06:25:24 slolem, yeah they arent too noticeable, but its on the shiney part above the keyboard where the top pard slides against. i cant push it open with one thumb any more cuz it gets caught :( Jul 01 06:25:57 you guys and your fancy changes to the wiki Jul 01 06:26:52 opie-x: :-) Jul 01 06:27:06 we do punish the early adopters a bit ... Jul 01 06:27:14 hmm Jul 01 06:27:23 dropbear is being slow :( Jul 01 06:27:50 it's winter in .au, dropbears are always slow at this time of year ... Jul 01 06:28:01 lol Jul 01 06:29:53 hey rwhitby, i added /bin and /sbin to the if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ] portion of http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/profile.d/optware, good or bad? Jul 01 06:30:16 opie-x: they should already be there - that file just appends. Jul 01 06:30:23 i had nothing in there Jul 01 06:30:27 I wonder if there's a way to get console output while the phone's booting instead of the pulsing Pre... Jul 01 06:30:27 (should already be in the path) Jul 01 06:30:39 i had old rooting and haven't done much but custom app work. now i need to use some quilt Jul 01 06:30:40 opie-x: how are you accessing the pre? Jul 01 06:30:49 winscp +) Jul 01 06:30:53 and putty Jul 01 06:31:02 over dropbear Jul 01 06:31:06 and sftp Jul 01 06:31:16 coming in as root, or coming in as a user then using sudo? Jul 01 06:31:23 you crazy Jul 01 06:31:39 nah, i setup a user of course Jul 01 06:31:49 i just never setup my paths i guess Jul 01 06:32:02 i enjoy using the full paths to run stuff Jul 01 06:32:07 when you sudo, do you use the -i switch to pick up root's environment? Jul 01 06:32:10 it helps me to learn what is where and how i got it Jul 01 06:32:17 yeah Jul 01 06:32:21 sudo -i su -l Jul 01 06:32:33 no, just use sudo -i Jul 01 06:32:48 hmm - so that should pick up /etc/profile, which should set the default paths, then the optware profile.d should add to them. Jul 01 06:33:24 jdub: why not sudo -i su -l to get a root shell for an extended set of commands as root (other than being careful as root)? Jul 01 06:33:51 sure Jul 01 06:33:53 rwhitby: because sudo -i is sufficient and preferable to do precisely that :-) Jul 01 06:34:15 doh@ Jul 01 06:34:29 i'd like to change the "just charge" button to "just charge & turn on wifi" button Jul 01 06:35:03 (they effectively do the same thing via different routes, but i'll bet su -l futzes with the environment in that case) Jul 01 06:35:36 opie-x: try just using sudo -i and that /etc/profile.d/optware file Jul 01 06:35:53 k Jul 01 06:41:36 seems to be working well Jul 01 06:41:41 thanks Jul 01 06:42:06 opie-x: cool, let me know how quilt works out for you Jul 01 06:42:17 what do you think, i built up a patch to enable landscape email, should i put it up on http://gitorious.org/webos-internals Jul 01 06:42:25 it's generally a straight rip from the wiki Jul 01 06:43:01 why not if it works? Jul 01 06:44:36 fun stuff Jul 01 06:49:54 has anyone tried the download in browser patch? Jul 01 06:54:07 I finally figured out how Mojo.log works and wrote a simple wiki page. Lets you log info throughout apps, should help w/ debugging. Jul 01 06:59:46 rwhitby: is it the developers responsibility to manage conflicts? Jul 01 07:00:21 opie-x: what sort of conflicts? Jul 01 07:00:22 does quilt merge patches and such.. i guess i need to read up on this Jul 01 07:00:25 conflicts with palm, the os or other? :D Jul 01 07:00:36 conflicts in patches Jul 01 07:00:51 like my patch and your patch conflict when applying to the email app Jul 01 07:01:05 opie-x: yeah, that's a tough one. I was considering putting numbers on patches, and he with the first number wins ... Jul 01 07:01:31 hmmm.. Jul 01 07:01:36 version control Jul 01 07:01:37 ok, so it's the devs responsability Jul 01 07:01:52 well, it's easy when there are only 2 patches Jul 01 07:02:08 opie-x: quilt will identify it, and will work if the two patches don't actually conflict inside the file. Jul 01 07:02:16 sure Jul 01 07:02:25 regardless, it's awesome Jul 01 07:02:31 simplyflipflops: yeah, we're storing them in git to give us that. Jul 01 07:02:41 i apply one or two patches, pick and poke, remove/apply with ease Jul 01 07:03:53 is there a note on the wiki on lastest versions of patches? Jul 01 07:04:10 what do you mean? Jul 01 07:04:22 other than who's working on what "in general"? Jul 01 07:04:28 simplyflipflops: the git master branch will tell what is the latest version Jul 01 07:05:16 simplyflipflops: there will probably be loci of "ownership" (i.e. those who create the patch have first dibs on maintaining it, etc) Jul 01 07:05:50 but we want to keep it open enough that anyone can refresh any patch if required. Jul 01 07:05:50 makes sense Jul 01 07:06:07 i don't know, i dig landscape email mode Jul 01 07:06:18 so does my boss.. Jul 01 07:06:32 i got a patch i'll put up but it's 2am i gotta go to work soon Jul 01 07:06:36 he is so unwilling to root but he is also unwilling to RockNRollHax all the time Jul 01 07:06:51 i'm trying to get a menu option up to toggle it on/off Jul 01 07:07:02 simple additions that i can learn on Jul 01 07:07:13 opie-x: do you have a username on gitorious? Jul 01 07:07:17 just got one Jul 01 07:08:20 opie-x: what is it? I'll add you to the team Jul 01 07:14:23 ogenki? Jul 01 07:17:07 wow. it is way past my bedtime Jul 01 07:17:31 funny how dev work makes you forget what time it is Jul 01 07:18:53 simplyflipflops, lunchtime doubly so Jul 01 07:20:18 as long as the food is good. ;) Jul 01 07:34:22 Hey guys... I was wondering how to locate /media/internal to put files in an emulator Jul 01 07:43:51 i was wondering the samething... Jul 01 07:44:12 ended up just emailing them to myself Jul 01 07:53:16 anyone been able to grab the dfu product / vendor id yet? Jul 01 08:26:09 thanks r2xj_ the browser patch+wiki typo has been fixed. Jul 01 08:31:03 tonycpsu: custom kernel works -- nice! Jul 01 08:31:09 hey how do you get to card view in emulator Jul 01 08:31:25 esc Jul 01 08:33:55 thx Jul 01 08:37:00 where do you put your app to run it on the emulator? Jul 01 08:50:20 you have to run the install file Jul 01 08:52:05 ..\Program Files\Palm\SDK\share\tutorial\helloworld should get you rollin Jul 01 08:53:26 hi Jul 01 08:53:47 are there benefits to agrea palm NDA while you can use leaked sdk ? Jul 01 08:54:00 sdk is still not on topic here Jul 01 08:54:06 ok Jul 01 08:54:07 wait Jul 01 08:54:15 ummm Jul 01 08:54:16 please read the topic Jul 01 08:54:41 well the question remain on any NDA Jul 01 08:55:14 jdub: how did you test that? Jul 01 09:58:00 would it be possible to read exif data from a photo on your phone and launch google maps to the location it was taken? Jul 01 12:24:14 Wow, nice to see so many people in this room. Jul 01 12:24:55 This is my first time joining - I hope to hack / improve the task application. Jul 01 13:29:59 quiet morning Jul 01 13:30:07 yap Jul 01 13:37:11 Any insight into adding a custom photo upload button to the photo apps. Like the facebook & photobucket ones but to piscasa or other email address? Jul 01 13:38:43 i'd probably start looking at /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.camera Jul 01 13:41:22 and possibley the com.palm.app.photos app Jul 01 13:44:02 bpadalino|work: Thanks for the tips Jul 01 13:44:09 good luck Jul 01 14:18:10 does the book show how to connect to a mysql database and show a list of retrieved data? Jul 01 14:19:11 or maybe even sqlite on the phone itself Jul 01 14:19:27 it shows data stores, yes Jul 01 14:19:35 they're stored as html5 databases Jul 01 14:19:41 which, under the hood, are sqlite db's Jul 01 14:19:47 im not familiar with html5 yet Jul 01 14:20:07 what is a good resource to learn it? Jul 01 14:20:51 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=html5 :) Jul 01 14:21:17 lol thanks for the link Jul 01 14:23:15 :) Jul 01 14:36:24 all those news about iphone are making me sick Jul 01 14:36:31 yey new game from EA for iphone Jul 01 14:36:33 yey!!!!! Jul 01 14:36:52 news from where? Jul 01 14:36:57 turn off the apple tag Jul 01 14:36:59 that simple Jul 01 14:37:01 :P Jul 01 14:37:04 true Jul 01 14:37:24 so did anybody found out what app they removed from app catalog? Jul 01 14:37:29 are you guys talking about a News app on the Pre? Jul 01 14:38:02 nah Jul 01 14:38:12 i have some rss feeds in newsgator.com Jul 01 14:38:15 en0x, not sure - but i did notice it went from 30 -> 29 Jul 01 14:38:23 ah Jul 01 14:38:26 bpadalino|work: yes id di Jul 01 14:38:34 s/id di/it di Jul 01 14:38:36 did* Jul 01 14:39:17 it used to be 30 apps in store and nobody seems to know what they removed Jul 01 14:39:20 hehehe Jul 01 14:40:39 I believe splashID Jul 01 14:40:58 (haven't really checked... just what I read somewhere) Jul 01 14:43:44 yap Jul 01 14:43:47 no splash id Jul 01 14:44:13 hmm they doubled the amount of devs to get hands on sdk but no apps Jul 01 14:44:57 it takes time to write the app Jul 01 14:45:01 then go through the approval process Jul 01 14:45:11 i'd give them 1 more week and more apps will roll in Jul 01 14:45:14 i wonder how the approval process works Jul 01 14:46:53 anyone found out how to run urxvt or other term app on pre? Jul 01 14:50:57 I wish theyd roll out some more apps damn it Jul 01 14:50:57 they havnt had any apps added for a week or so now.. Jul 01 14:51:01 one app disappeared actually Jul 01 14:51:10 not sure which one, but the count went from 30 to 29 yesterday or so Jul 01 14:51:19 yeah I seen that Jul 01 14:51:22 its SplashID Jul 01 14:51:37 do we know why? Jul 01 14:51:48 negitive Jul 01 14:52:04 giovani|work: i'm going to bet on the app catalog coming out of beta, and that going up as a paid app soon Jul 01 14:52:15 but maybe im just being optimistic :) Jul 01 14:52:17 ah Jul 01 14:52:49 it'll be interesting to see what they do to prevent piracy Jul 01 14:52:51 of apps Jul 01 14:52:52 giovani|work: ah nevermind, it was pulled for a bug Jul 01 14:52:53 if anything Jul 01 14:53:02 "they messed up the last update and you couldn't add new entries." Jul 01 14:53:19 We could consider protecting ourselves in case update disables root access too. Jul 01 14:53:58 FreeTim: or just hold off on applying new updates until some ginuia pigs have tried Jul 01 14:54:15 Yes, that. :) Jul 01 14:55:19 anybody here been invited into the developer network yet? Jul 01 14:55:33 unfortunately, nope Jul 01 14:55:44 but I presume I'm last on the list since I'm not a "professional developer" :) Jul 01 14:55:56 dotnetprodev: palm has someone in the room lurking to ensure none of us get access to the dev tools :P Jul 01 14:56:11 im doomed then :) Jul 01 14:56:21 That could be catastrophic Jul 01 14:56:37 im anxious to get started though Jul 01 14:56:57 giovani|work: same here, I applied, but im not a professional dev, nor do I have a clear project I want to build Jul 01 14:57:04 so I probably wont be accepted for a while Jul 01 14:57:07 does it seem like they released the phone too early ahead of the sdk? Jul 01 14:57:31 na, I think they timed it right Jul 01 14:57:51 welcome to being an early adopter Jul 01 14:57:52 did apple do the same thing for the iphone? Jul 01 14:58:14 apple didnt had sdk for a while Jul 01 14:58:23 ah ok Jul 01 14:58:30 because Steve said that SDK is not needed Jul 01 14:58:31 :P Jul 01 14:58:34 Hell Jul 01 14:58:42 i come from a web dev background so the pre is perfect for me Jul 01 14:58:45 apple didnt have an SDK until the 3g was almost out wasnt it? Jul 01 14:58:50 Snake_: right Jul 01 14:59:04 wow, didnt realize that Jul 01 14:59:08 i think they released SDK at the same time as they lauched the app store Jul 01 14:59:12 Oh wow, the new update to the sudoku app is nice Jul 01 14:59:16 which was around 3g release Jul 01 14:59:41 there are all sorts of mods that the stock apps need Jul 01 14:59:47 like quick-replies ... oh how we need quick replies :) Jul 01 14:59:54 do you guys think the pre will be able to compete with iphone or does it matter? Jul 01 15:00:11 does it matter? Jul 01 15:00:20 iphone is for different ppl and pre for different Jul 01 15:00:23 they unveiled the SDK March 6 2008, iPhone was announced in January 07, released June 29 07 Jul 01 15:00:24 dotnetprodev: I think that's a discussion that's probably best to have somewhere else -- but, it depends on what your definition of compete is Jul 01 15:00:44 so over a year after the iphone was announced they got the SDK Jul 01 15:00:46 true Jul 01 15:01:19 so really only on month to go probably untill the sdk is released from what i have read Jul 01 15:01:20 the pre will not overtake the iphone, that's for sure ... but I do think it'll be a competitor Jul 01 15:01:24 "end of summer" Jul 01 15:01:26 dotnetprodev: there is still a lot of room in smartphone market for palm and apple and others Jul 01 15:01:57 i do like having more than one open at a time Jul 01 15:02:14 See that wasnt a huge thing for me, I came from windows mobile Jul 01 15:02:19 pre seems a lot more productivity oriented whereas the iphone is more media/entertainment oriented Jul 01 15:02:27 it was designed like to multitask as well Jul 01 15:02:35 not as flashy as the pre, but still did it Jul 01 15:02:38 so is the phone going to be the only place you can buy apps? or some other mechanism like iTunes? Jul 01 15:02:58 dotnetprodev: I presume the phone only -- why would you want to do it on a pc? Jul 01 15:03:22 considering the pre doesnt actually sync or link up with the PC... im sure just over the phone. Jul 01 15:03:25 the pre is very phone-centric ... there's no official syncing to the pc recommended -- it's all stored on the palm profile Jul 01 15:03:39 ah ok Jul 01 15:03:50 maybe they'll have a web portal to your palm profile to add apps while at teh computer Jul 01 15:04:01 and your phone will automatically update Jul 01 15:04:04 why bother though Jul 01 15:04:27 What advantage is there to click an app on the PC, to have your phone download it, where you go to your phone to use it Jul 01 15:04:31 bpadalino|work: sure, that's possible ... but what's the point, really? Jul 01 15:04:34 its much better that the app catalog is only on phone Jul 01 15:04:52 a more leisurely browsing experience for apps ? Jul 01 15:04:57 I would like at least a web-based list of the app catalog Jul 01 15:05:05 because with thousands of apps Jul 01 15:05:07 a list sure Jul 01 15:05:08 well i hope there is a web version of the catalog because it will have more exposure to general web traffic Jul 01 15:05:10 it's difficult to find what you want Jul 01 15:05:11 I can understand that Jul 01 15:05:11 it would also be nice if you were able to click the app on the PC and get a "preview" of what it would be like using the app .. Jul 01 15:05:22 bpadalino|work: yeah, that's not happening :) Jul 01 15:05:26 How about a list with a description and a screenshot? Jul 01 15:05:26 screenshots, sure Jul 01 15:05:39 Snake_: sure, that's all the app catalog is on the phone currently :) Jul 01 15:05:51 giovani, it's not too far fetched in all honesty Jul 01 15:05:53 I'm already working on some scraping code to pull down the apps catalog and make it into an accessible website Jul 01 15:06:01 bpadalino|work: I think it's incredibly unlikely Jul 01 15:06:02 giovani|work: well it would be the app catalog, sans the download buton Jul 01 15:06:03 :-P Jul 01 15:06:04 giovani|work: not happening *yet* .. a mojo workalike could run on a PC as well as a phone Jul 01 15:06:22 destinal: I'm not debating its technical achievability Jul 01 15:06:29 simply the chance that it WILL happen, from Palm Jul 01 15:06:38 oh, from Palm, yeah, probably not Jul 01 15:06:50 well I thought we were talking about the Palm App Catalog Jul 01 15:06:50 http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/01/video-iphone-copy-and-paste-is-a-pretty-incredible-thing-sur/ buehehehe Jul 01 15:07:40 I seen that commercial the other day Jul 01 15:07:43 I just shook my head Jul 01 15:08:04 the copy-paste on the pre could be a lot better Jul 01 15:08:11 it's quite awkward to use, imo Jul 01 15:08:14 yeah Jul 01 15:08:17 yes. Like, use control keys Jul 01 15:08:28 theres a lot that could be better on the Pre, but its a good, stable platform that needs some time to grow Jul 01 15:08:30 like, not require that I hold down a physical button with the slider out Jul 01 15:08:44 I was thinking double tap and hold, then drag Jul 01 15:08:47 Snake_: totally agreed -- it's why I own 3 :) Jul 01 15:08:51 upon release give the option to copy Jul 01 15:09:22 or even press the middle button to go into copy mode or something Jul 01 15:09:26 im sure somebody from Palm is here to take notes about what we are saying... Jul 01 15:09:30 SOMETHIGN needs to be done with that button, ive NEVER touched it. Jul 01 15:09:37 at last palm folks are trying and for sure they understand that it should be easier better and hopefully someday they will fix it Jul 01 15:09:56 get rid of the button .. or make it capacitive .. it just makes the gesture area more cumbersome Jul 01 15:10:03 Yeah Jul 01 15:10:09 Have any of you guys used it? Jul 01 15:10:14 not really Jul 01 15:10:17 I wish I could change it to a dedicated phone button or something Jul 01 15:10:19 upswipe to get where i want Jul 01 15:10:21 or make it a scroll button Jul 01 15:10:22 press that to open the phone app Jul 01 15:10:25 like the BB Jul 01 15:10:30 that would be useful, imo Jul 01 15:10:38 i.e. make it a trackball Jul 01 15:10:45 is there a better way to get back to the card list from anywhere in an app? Jul 01 15:10:54 back gesture doesn't necessarily do that Jul 01 15:11:01 destinal: swipe up Jul 01 15:11:06 or press center button Jul 01 15:11:09 those are your two options Jul 01 15:11:36 i use the center button to get to card view a lot. Jul 01 15:11:40 they both do the same thing there -- however, the button can bring the app back into focus Jul 01 15:11:48 while swiping up won't (after you're in card view) Jul 01 15:11:57 #preguides is dead: does the Pre only do assisted GPS, or does it have a "real" GPS receiver in it? Jul 01 15:12:16 sugardave: it has real GPS, afaik Jul 01 15:12:30 because you can turn it off, and only have CDMA location Jul 01 15:12:33 to save battery Jul 01 15:13:18 sugardave: it's a GPS chipset. not sure how GPS can not be "real" Jul 01 15:13:34 cell tower / wifi location detection != GPS Jul 01 15:13:48 maybe he thought that its basing location on cell towers Jul 01 15:13:57 destinal: if it isn't really GPS base but using cell towers for approx location Jul 01 15:13:59 destinal: right, clearly he meant cell tower stuff Jul 01 15:14:01 Yes definately real GPS. When the GPS is on, it knows your location "tighter." I just drove to WashingtonDC with it, and back. The navigator software is OK Jul 01 15:14:19 wish it had tracking for off road use (like walking through woods.) Jul 01 15:14:21 which is what aGPS does....just making sure, I don't want to waste my learning time on an app that is going to fail Jul 01 15:14:23 FreeTim: aint so bad but the voice is a crappy one Jul 01 15:14:24 AGPS is still GPS just accelerated to start faster Jul 01 15:14:34 a = assisted Jul 01 15:14:36 afaik Jul 01 15:14:36 sugardave: your learning time on an app? Jul 01 15:14:41 what the iphone 2G had wasn't assisted GPS Jul 01 15:14:50 it was pure cell / wifi Jul 01 15:14:55 and no turn by turn Jul 01 15:14:56 :P Jul 01 15:15:01 its like android :P Jul 01 15:15:05 no turn by turn Jul 01 15:15:29 assisted GPS is a real GPS chipset but with some assistance to acquire quickly Jul 01 15:15:35 so, simple answer: yes, the phone has "real" gps, as well as cell-assisted location finding Jul 01 15:15:39 important to note the difference Jul 01 15:16:00 okay,thanks for the lesson, all Jul 01 15:16:02 FreeTim: not sure what you want for off road but maybe the google app would track you Jul 01 15:16:03 the phone is also capable of approximating your location with the GPS chipset entirely off (according to the phone options) Jul 01 15:16:46 and that works, but is a little looser (it shows me as down the street a ways from where I really am.) Jul 01 15:17:14 yeah, pure cell / wifi location doesn't have the same accuracy but is way better than nothing Jul 01 15:17:15 is it possible to turn the gps from within a webos app in the even that is switched off? Jul 01 15:17:31 * turn on the gps Jul 01 15:17:41 dotnetprodev: apps can request location tracking, if it's off, the phone will pop up a notifcation asking the user if they want to turn it on Jul 01 15:17:42 I don't see why not Jul 01 15:17:43 Yes. The sprint navigator prompts for it when you launch that app for example Jul 01 15:17:54 ok cool Jul 01 15:18:19 Somehow it detect it being off, and so asks the user if it's OK to enable GPS chipset. Jul 01 15:18:30 no, I doubt the app detects it Jul 01 15:18:48 I'm betting when the app makes a request for data from the location services, the phone does the checking, and prompts the user Jul 01 15:18:57 the prompt is identical for every app, so it must not be app-specific Jul 01 15:19:16 right - ok. Jul 01 15:19:21 I'm just a little disappointed in the time it takes to return a response when you query for location...1 second is almost unusable for geocaching (which is the response time on my Holux), but the Pre is _5_ seconds (or even longer)...may not be a good app to do anyway Jul 01 15:19:24 one wonders if it has to, I'm guess it might be possible for an app to turn on autolocate and thus avoid the prompt Jul 01 15:19:39 sugardave: 5 seconds? Jul 01 15:19:45 destinal: no way Jul 01 15:19:47 that's probably considered "bad behavior" but interesting Jul 01 15:19:51 destinal: that's a huge security problem Jul 01 15:20:03 how do you develop native apps like pandora - or is pandora webOS also? Jul 01 15:20:07 yeah, I agree it is, but it's probably just a service like any Jul 01 15:20:15 dotnetprodev: webos is native Jul 01 15:20:19 to change the setting.. I'll check it out Jul 01 15:20:22 webos is the os Jul 01 15:20:40 destinal: yes, but apps that don't play nice would never be accepted into the app catalog Jul 01 15:20:53 i thought there was a difference betwwen the apps like pandora and the web stack apps Jul 01 15:21:25 they may have some lower-level hooks Jul 01 15:21:34 but their main app is still the same mojo framework afaik Jul 01 15:21:41 giovani|work: good point. or at least they'd be removed when discovered -- I doubt whether palm plans on doing code review Jul 01 15:21:53 I dont think pandora has any low level hooks Jul 01 15:21:53 destinal: I'm pretty sure they will, actually Jul 01 15:22:01 Everything it does I believe can be done via mojo Jul 01 15:22:27 then mojo is really powerful if it can pull off something like Pandora Jul 01 15:22:30 hello world Jul 01 15:22:40 dotnetprodev: it's not about "power" Jul 01 15:22:46 it's just got javascript calls to the OS Jul 01 15:22:58 theoretically it can do anything, if palm writes the calls into the api Jul 01 15:22:59 you can detect if GPS is on using com.palm.location/getUseGps and autolocate by /getAutoLocate Jul 01 15:23:34 pandora is nothing more than some audio streaming Jul 01 15:23:39 and some POSTs Jul 01 15:23:40 it does have to be fairly powerful in terms of running the various layers of abstraction. javascript / css /html will always take more CPU than the equivalent thing in C Jul 01 15:23:45 it's entirely a web app on the desktop too Jul 01 15:23:53 when i try to launch novaproxy, states that novacomd is not installed, but it is. any help? Jul 01 15:24:03 destinal: yes, but that's not power to the programmer Jul 01 15:24:07 but a lot of the heavy lifting is done by native code anyway, so not much worse Jul 01 15:24:28 destinal: the abstraction can clearly limit what you do -- but that's up to Palm, it's not a limitation of the languages Jul 01 15:25:49 yeah, the concern for power in programming is that at this point no one knows if a native SDK will be released, so certain things may be impossible to do (at least with official tools, and using non-officially-approved techniques may exclude your app from the app store Jul 01 15:25:57 destinal: you can defintely turn autolocate on using luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.location/setAutoLocate {\"autoLocate\":\"true\"} Jul 01 15:26:29 mdklein__: so yeah, a less than scrupulous app developer could do the same before making a call to location Jul 01 15:26:35 yeah Jul 01 15:26:36 in their js Jul 01 15:26:38 that's what I'm saying Jul 01 15:26:42 cool, thx Jul 01 15:27:09 I just use luna-send syntax to show calls concisely Jul 01 15:27:24 http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/19/palm-confirms-games-are-in-development-for-pre-drops-a-few-othe/ Jul 01 15:27:26 sure ... but palm will prevent that in their app catalog Jul 01 15:27:39 however, developers, and geeks should be permitted to put whatever apps they want on their phone Jul 01 15:28:35 Yeah, fortunately palm hasn't shown any interest in locking that out Jul 01 15:28:42 part of why I bought a pre Jul 01 15:28:43 uh Jul 01 15:28:48 sure they have ... with their "email fix" Jul 01 15:28:52 "Palm did confirm that games are in development for webOS, and seems a little defensive at accusations that the OS can't handle that stuff -- Palm hasn't changed its stance on app development, of course, there are no "native" apps allowed currently, but they seem more reticent to admit that web-style app development will limit gaming options." Jul 01 15:28:52 that was a bug Jul 01 15:28:52 and not providing alternate means Jul 01 15:29:04 sure, it was a bug that allowed people to do what we're talking about Jul 01 15:29:18 Palm promised people would be able to side-load apps onto their pre Jul 01 15:29:23 that's yet to be allowed Jul 01 15:29:28 giovani|work: is having to turn on dev mode and connect a USB cable so difficult? Jul 01 15:29:39 destinal: it is for your average user -- that's not acceptable Jul 01 15:29:39 games are gonna be interesting with all the UI pauses we get now Jul 01 15:30:00 enter the konami code, reboot, plug in and start up your app loader Jul 01 15:30:04 destinal: that's developer mode, it takes skill, and knowledge, and you risk breaking things badly Jul 01 15:30:06 that's not that hard for an everage user Jul 01 15:30:20 destinal: that's not the spirit of what Palm promised Jul 01 15:30:33 giovani, do you want to allow the user to do what they want and allow risk of breaking, or do you want them to do it the safe way ? Jul 01 15:30:48 it seems like you're tugging on the same string - and trying to get it to go both ways Jul 01 15:30:53 bpadalino|work: I want the user to be allowed, (if they're warned, that's fine) to load any application on the internet Jul 01 15:31:04 with power comes responsibility Jul 01 15:31:05 giovani|work: ok, then we should continue to push for an easier sideload. Jul 01 15:31:05 bpadalino|work: both ways? not at all ... I've been very focused Jul 01 15:31:12 unable to launch novaproxy, help anyone? Jul 01 15:31:15 bpadalino|work: root shell is not the same thing as loading an ipkg Jul 01 15:31:26 destinal: Palm should deliver on their promise Jul 01 15:31:28 novacom does everything you need to sideload with a nice pretty gui Jul 01 15:31:33 no need for anything Jul 01 15:31:37 lunch time Jul 01 15:31:43 USB shouldn't be required Jul 01 15:31:45 that's a huge pain Jul 01 15:31:55 the Pre is supposed to be all "clowd"-y Jul 01 15:31:58 novacom can work over wifi Jul 01 15:32:02 "cloud"* Jul 01 15:32:05 that's not good enough either Jul 01 15:32:14 ok Jul 01 15:32:17 it should be as easy as clicking a link in any browser, period Jul 01 15:32:18 i agree, it would be good if there was a control panel setting to change like android Jul 01 15:32:19 go nuts Jul 01 15:32:21 just like it is to load official apps Jul 01 15:32:31 allow non-store apps Jul 01 15:32:37 there should be a wanring about the danger presented, that's perfectly fine Jul 01 15:32:41 warning* Jul 01 15:32:54 anybody here done any android development? Jul 01 15:33:02 "Loading applications from outside of the Palm App Catalog is unsupported by Palm and may result in information disclosure" Jul 01 15:33:03 dotnetprodev: only a little Jul 01 15:33:10 done and done Jul 01 15:33:23 giovani|work: android has a control panel setting for that, which is sensible Jul 01 15:33:31 how was it? Jul 01 15:33:37 destinal: that'd be a good idea too -- prevent it from being displayed 100 times Jul 01 15:33:57 I mean we have no problem loading apps -- but your average user should have an easy way to load non-Palm authorized apps Jul 01 15:34:52 dotnetprodev: good. the android SDK tools are solid, everything fits into eclipse Jul 01 15:35:53 gotta go get a drink before lunch comes -- bbiab Jul 01 15:36:26 android platform runs java with google's own davlik virtual machine, if you know java it's pretty easy to get started Jul 01 15:51:40 good day to all Jul 01 15:52:10 hola Jul 01 15:52:15 yo Jul 01 15:53:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz8NMGb1X2Y lol something for fun :) Jul 01 15:54:15 hey that looks polish Jul 01 15:54:23 * nebula is Jul 01 15:54:42 LMAO Jul 01 15:54:45 hahahahahah Jul 01 15:55:11 hehe Jul 01 15:55:30 totally unexpected Jul 01 15:55:55 mentos gives u powah Jul 01 15:55:55 :) Jul 01 15:56:23 rofl! Jul 01 15:56:39 bitches! Jul 01 15:58:29 hehe good stuff Jul 01 16:06:12 hey, is there a general webos discussion irc channel? i need some help figuring out how to import an ssh keypair into pssh under classic Jul 01 16:06:37 #webos Jul 01 16:06:41 thanks Jul 01 16:09:26 can anyone edit wiki Jul 01 16:10:15 might be old news, but I just found that luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.display/setProperty '{"onWhenConnected":true}' will keep the screen on when it's plugged in. And it persists through a reboot. Jul 01 16:10:54 no idea if it keeps wireless/evdo connections on as well, nor if it works when on the ts. Jul 01 16:11:15 wifi is kept up anyways while plugged in anyways Jul 01 16:11:44 heh, oh yeah, that's right. :) Jul 01 16:12:04 shows how little I use wireless. Jul 01 16:12:15 initctl stop powerd Jul 01 16:12:26 aye, but if you forget... Jul 01 16:12:31 haha Jul 01 16:12:40 not as bad as leaving the torch on ;) Jul 01 16:13:02 anyone edit/fix wiki ? Jul 01 16:13:03 http://predev.wikidot.com/change-carrier-string Jul 01 16:13:09 Relock your file system and restart the Pre: Jul 01 16:13:09 sudo mount -o remount,rw / Jul 01 16:13:24 xD Jul 01 16:14:04 can you just leave / rw without changing back to ro? what if? Jul 01 16:14:17 good morning all Jul 01 16:14:49 i leave as rw if i am working with it Jul 01 16:15:29 if i am not i go back to ro Jul 01 16:15:50 any advantage to being in ro? Jul 01 16:15:58 you cant do anything ;) Jul 01 16:17:33 if working in the var directory you don't need to be in RO (at least not in /var/usr/palm/applications) Jul 01 16:17:57 I mean you don't need to be in RW you can leave it in RO as it is rw by default Jul 01 16:21:02 anyone available for a little help? Jul 01 16:21:21 maybe, what do you have goin on Jul 01 16:22:09 I'm here as well Jul 01 16:22:13 was able to successfully gain root access yesterday. went through the steps of creating a user account Jul 01 16:22:21 unprivledged that it Jul 01 16:22:22 is Jul 01 16:22:48 wait.. let me guess.. Jul 01 16:22:54 then went through the steps of enabling a method for the unprivileged account to gain root privileges Jul 01 16:22:54 you can't do anything with it? Jul 01 16:23:01 Oh you did that ok. Jul 01 16:23:10 yep, even sudo command. input password and says access denied its been reported Jul 01 16:23:22 and now i cant get root access via putty any longer Jul 01 16:23:22 sudo -i Jul 01 16:23:52 you didnt setup ssh ? Jul 01 16:23:55 i input sudo -i and get prompted for the password, input password, then get the access denied text Jul 01 16:24:23 visudo and add your user to that ? Jul 01 16:24:28 i am pretty sure i did, followed all steps to a t up to that point Jul 01 16:24:35 Oh what a2ny did you add openssh or dropbear? Jul 01 16:24:42 new to linux, so ... Jul 01 16:24:45 dropbear Jul 01 16:24:56 openssh Jul 01 16:25:43 so try installing openssh, try that route? Jul 01 16:26:02 so do you have root access now ? Jul 01 16:26:46 i cant connect via novaproxy any longer, i get the error that novacomd is not running. Jul 01 16:26:59 tried running it numerous times with no luck Jul 01 16:27:22 did you turn off dev mode ? Jul 01 16:27:27 so at this point, the only way i can get into the phone is via ssh with the account i created Jul 01 16:27:47 i did yesterday. while working on getting root access to it today, i have since turned it back on Jul 01 16:28:39 ok Jul 01 16:28:47 pcemkr: have you restarted your computer since you last successfully used novaproxy? Jul 01 16:28:54 yeah Jul 01 16:29:03 been trying everything since i got into work this morning Jul 01 16:29:04 so you cant ssh and use sudo -i ? Jul 01 16:29:21 really.... just double check that the Palm Novacom service is running in windows services Jul 01 16:29:31 i can ssh, but when i use the sudo -i and input my password when prompted i receive the following text Jul 01 16:29:38 also you are using the same password for that unpriv user correct ? Jul 01 16:30:21 that user is not in the sudoers file, this incident will be reported Jul 01 16:30:30 yeah, correct password Jul 01 16:30:49 well you are going to have to get nova back up and running Jul 01 16:31:42 then you will run visudo Jul 01 16:31:51 novacom service was not running. when trying to force start it i get the following, error 1053: The service did not respond to the start or control request in a timely fasion Jul 01 16:32:24 hello Jul 01 16:32:35 attempting to root my pre and I could use some assistance :X Jul 01 16:33:01 youruserhere ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL Jul 01 16:33:05 or Jul 01 16:33:24 youruserhere ALL=(ALL) ALL Jul 01 16:33:39 pcemkr: There's your main problem. If you can get that running you should be fine. Maybe a work computer issue with managed access? Jul 01 16:33:51 iamfrontosa: what's up? Jul 01 16:34:12 no, wide open access. how can i remove the palm novacom Jul 01 16:35:03 it was running fine yesterday, wait a sec, up until I tried to install the usbnet process Jul 01 16:35:05 pcemkr: not sure, never tried. i just reinstalled over it. a few times when I had problems. Jul 01 16:36:26 I thought I accomplished it but when trying to enter commands it just says not found Jul 01 16:36:34 I barely know what I'm doing I thought I would give it a go Jul 01 16:36:38 commands into putty Jul 01 16:36:59 using dropbear ? Jul 01 16:37:03 what does the command line look like that you see? yourname@something or root@something? Jul 01 16:37:17 for example I was trying to disable the camera sound Jul 01 16:37:41 'SOUNDS': 'disabled', Jul 01 16:38:02 yes through dropbear Jul 01 16:38:12 I followed the pre dev wiki Jul 01 16:38:35 do you see youruser@castle or root@castle Jul 01 16:38:40 if I type dir in putty shouldnt I get the directorys on the pre? Jul 01 16:38:42 at the start of the line Jul 01 16:38:47 ls -a Jul 01 16:38:51 youruser@castle Jul 01 16:39:04 sudo -i Jul 01 16:39:15 you need to be root to do most of the edits. so you need to either use sudo -i or su - depending on teh method you used in the wiki to change to root Jul 01 16:40:40 iamfrontosa -- dir is not a unix command. The unix command is ls if you type dir, you will get "command not found." Jul 01 16:40:52 please on the wiki go read the introduction to linux page. Jul 01 16:42:17 hi rick Jul 01 16:42:19 http://predev.wikidot.com/change-carrier-string Jul 01 16:42:27 can you fix the last part xD Jul 01 16:42:38 Relock your file system and restart the Pre: Jul 01 16:42:38 sudo mount -o remount,rw / Jul 01 16:44:13 you want it so say ro instead of rw? Jul 01 16:44:28 you don't have write access on the wiki???????? Jul 01 16:44:43 would root@castle:/var/home/root# make sense as who I am, or does that not make sense Jul 01 16:45:19 iamfrontosa it means you are logged in as root, and that the current directory you are in is /var/home/root. Jul 01 16:45:28 negative, i just saw the error Jul 01 16:45:32 ok Jul 01 16:45:57 do you WANT write access on the wiki? If so, pm me an email address and I'll send you an invite. Jul 01 16:45:57 2 seconds Jul 01 16:46:14 I guess I'll start reading that basic linux use Jul 01 16:47:00 that will be your best choice Jul 01 16:47:27 yes. and DO NOT TYPE ANYTHING that hasn't been tested on the wiki. If you see something interesting in channel here, DO NOT TYPE IT. Jul 01 16:47:41 lots of things get flung around here than can totally brick your phone. Jul 01 16:47:44 Be careful. Jul 01 16:49:59 That sounds like very good advice :) Jul 01 16:50:26 Never type sudo rm -rf /* that will brick your phne. Jul 01 16:50:27 really it is. People make unix jokes here. and many MANY of the jokes would brick your phone. Jul 01 16:50:38 Phone even. Jul 01 16:50:47 good example. Jul 01 16:51:09 I feel like I'm not even in the phone Jul 01 16:51:18 also never type anything starting with dd Even unix geeks don't really understand dd unless their disk wonks, and we don't got any of them. Jul 01 16:51:19 but it says I'm connected Jul 01 16:51:45 anything I can type to confirm I am in fact in the pre Jul 01 16:52:00 iamfrontosa you're NOT in the phone. You're in a computer. The phone is a software application that runs ON the computer. You have an 8 gig PC which happens to have a phone app. Jul 01 16:52:10 dd is useful to make a full backup of a partition... Jul 01 16:52:46 I guess what I mean to say is access to the pre Jul 01 16:53:00 iamfrontosa you're on the pre. Really you are. but sure... type this (entirely safe) ls /usr/palm/applications Jul 01 16:53:09 that will list the built in applications on the phone Jul 01 16:53:26 or type uname -a Jul 01 16:53:33 so, once you root your phone, you could just dd all of it to a file on your harddrive, though, using webOSdr probvably would be faster Jul 01 16:53:33 that too Jul 01 16:53:56 A2NY: while you're at it, change the istructions to initctl stop LunaSysMgr initctl start LunaSysMgr Jul 01 16:53:58 rick what was the command to show the linux kernal info. like whoami? that would show him Jul 01 16:54:06 rick - that made me feel better, awesome. Jul 01 16:54:06 A2NY: re: change-carrier-string Jul 01 16:54:09 Kaerey: uname -a Jul 01 16:54:30 who gives you the connection point Jul 01 16:54:56 typical unix -- 237163 ways to accomplish anything. Jul 01 16:55:17 and almost all of them involve typing the word grep. Jul 01 16:58:52 nebula, im testing this now Jul 01 16:59:10 as long as it's not "find" I'm okay with it....took me forever to remember how to do a simple find, I'm too old to learn the other fun options Jul 01 16:59:11 yeah i just did it Jul 01 16:59:18 rebooting is a waste of time Jul 01 16:59:24 srsly Jul 01 16:59:29 initctl stop/start takes 10 seconds Jul 01 16:59:30 how long is your text string Jul 01 16:59:35 i just put nebula Jul 01 17:00:25 I want to totally revamp the Task Manager app. I want to add priorty sorting, and catagory sorting columns (like the Treo 755p has.) Q: Should I start learning Mojo or some other language first? I know some C, some Perl, some Python... I'm a sysadmin on Linux and i can code a little. I want to start in the right place. (I haven't yet gained root access - I plan to do so this weekend carefully, using wiki here.) Jul 01 17:00:49 hey FreeTim, make it integrate with Google tasks, too Jul 01 17:00:57 *thumbs up* Jul 01 17:01:17 @sugardave that'd be ideal for sure. Jul 01 17:01:21 Sugar: the "I don't want to deal with find syntax search" find / | grep filename ;) Jul 01 17:01:25 FreeTim: what I find annoying is it doesn't support reoccurring tasks Jul 01 17:01:47 like a daily/weekly/etc task Jul 01 17:02:06 nebula, no luck here Jul 01 17:02:18 bbiab Jul 01 17:02:35 hrm Jul 01 17:02:40 what exactly did you do? Jul 01 17:02:50 dpaste your file Jul 01 17:03:36 finally got in as root Jul 01 17:04:01 congrats Jul 01 17:04:12 pwnage Jul 01 17:04:15 now just need to figure out how to give my created user root priviledges Jul 01 17:04:28 soooodooooo Jul 01 17:04:29 thought the few guys that were helping me out were still here Jul 01 17:04:36 pcemkr: use sudo Jul 01 17:04:46 Oh I am. sorry doing something on my own device as well Jul 01 17:05:19 su is installed already on the phone if you don't want to setup sudo Jul 01 17:05:23 tried myuser all method and now im stuck at the > prompt Jul 01 17:05:31 http://pastebin.com/d428c4233 Jul 01 17:05:44 Does anyone know how the launcher figures out what apps to put on what page? It'd get pretty crowded pretty fast if all the homebrew stuff ended up on page 1 Jul 01 17:05:46 pcemkr: then you mistyped Jul 01 17:05:52 A2NY: change carrier to my_carrier Jul 01 17:05:52 pcemkr: http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting and Look for the section that is called "Enable a method for your new unprivileged user account to gain root privileges" Jul 01 17:06:01 A2NY: on line 10 Jul 01 17:06:01 Sloloem: it just puts them on the first page, by default Jul 01 17:06:04 i have that page up currently Jul 01 17:06:06 Sloloem: you can move them Jul 01 17:06:11 Sloloem, global search works well Jul 01 17:06:15 Sloloem, you can add other launcher blank pages up to 10, I think there is a wiki for it Jul 01 17:06:20 div_id="my_carrier" Jul 01 17:06:43 thing is, after typing in that command, cursor is sitting at > and i am not sure how to get back to the root@castle:/# prompt Jul 01 17:06:50 pcemkr: you mistyped Jul 01 17:06:54 pcemkr: ctrl-c Jul 01 17:06:57 ctl + c Jul 01 17:07:17 it just returns a line and im still at > Jul 01 17:07:26 <~~~~ lost, ha Jul 01 17:07:42 ctrl-c works Jul 01 17:07:53 using putty if that makes a diff Jul 01 17:08:03 it shouldn't Jul 01 17:08:22 you probably placed a ' in there somewhere Jul 01 17:08:26 try ' Jul 01 17:08:34 meaning press the enter key Jul 01 17:08:49 but ctrl-c should really work Jul 01 17:09:10 i just retyped the command, echo " blah blah blah" and it took me back to the root. Jul 01 17:09:10 anyone have any idea as to why when i select Media Sync the little music player screen comes up for like 2 seconds then goes back to the home screen? Jul 01 17:09:15 i cant get it to go into iTunes Jul 01 17:09:26 pcemkr: because you typed it with a closing " this time Jul 01 17:09:30 USB Drive won't work either, for that matter Jul 01 17:09:32 pcemkr: the first time, you clearly mistyped Jul 01 17:09:37 either way, enter, ctrl-c just did a return leaving me at > Jul 01 17:09:47 no, not just "enter" Jul 01 17:09:53 you had to close the quotes you opened Jul 01 17:10:01 i see Jul 01 17:11:36 really, you should be learning bash/linux basics Jul 01 17:11:41 before doing too much on the pre Jul 01 17:11:46 otherwise you're bound to mess something up Jul 01 17:12:09 <--- ^^^ been there done that Jul 01 17:12:25 FreeTim, oh yeah? I'll look for it. giovani|work, ah, I see. I had some issues moving things around when I first got the phone, works well now. Jul 01 17:12:52 Sloloem: issues? maybe you just weren't holding the icon down long enough? it's an official Palm feature Jul 01 17:13:34 is this the channel i should come to for help with rooting? Jul 01 17:13:41 yep. Jul 01 17:13:51 v3eritas: yes, although the wiki has excellent instructions Jul 01 17:13:59 i intend to, i am just wanting to get my user root access, even after the whole echo "$MYUSER ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /opt/etc/sudoers i still get the access denied Jul 01 17:14:23 i went through the wiki, however i got stuck on the 9th step of the dropbear portion (logging in after the reboot) Jul 01 17:14:24 pcemkr: I'm not sure why you're using echo to do that, but ok Jul 01 17:14:38 pcemkr: what are you running to get access denied? i.e. give me the context Jul 01 17:14:40 following the steps on the wiki Jul 01 17:14:53 mount -o remount,rw / Jul 01 17:15:00 you have to use sudo ... Jul 01 17:15:01 do i need to run sudo prior Jul 01 17:15:04 sudo mount -o ... Jul 01 17:15:04 hey - did someone download the sdk for os X? - the inspector crashes all the time on my system :( Jul 01 17:15:10 that's what sudo is for Jul 01 17:15:20 her Jul 01 17:15:27 lol mistype Jul 01 17:15:39 hertzi: that is what i get as well Jul 01 17:16:11 dotnetprodev: what a long nick - at least not my computer than... Jul 01 17:16:36 hertzi: longer the better Jul 01 17:18:10 i cant login through telnet anymore either (in dev mode, running talk.py) Jul 01 17:18:13 :)) would not have expected a girl ... Jul 01 17:18:44 no serious - are any girls in this channel? Jul 01 17:18:49 hertzi: dude...im not a chick Jul 01 17:18:55 lol Jul 01 17:18:57 I know Jul 01 17:19:03 sure sure Jul 01 17:19:09 thats why you bring that Jul 01 17:19:20 what do you guys use to edit Jul 01 17:19:39 textmate mostly Jul 01 17:19:42 textmate Jul 01 17:19:46 :D Jul 01 17:19:52 vi ftw Jul 01 17:19:58 im cant wait to get the mojo bundle Jul 01 17:20:12 tm is great .. especially with the bundles Jul 01 17:20:17 the mojo bundle will be excellent Jul 01 17:20:27 looked good in the video Jul 01 17:20:53 oh, it's going to be way better than anything you've seen in the video Jul 01 17:21:01 pcemkr: vim Jul 01 17:22:30 giovani|work, I'm gonna go with a standard fat-thumb issue. Jul 01 17:22:45 do you need a typing wand ? Jul 01 17:22:48 in the browser code I read something about a download manager - the ones of you that have a pre - which file types can you download? Jul 01 17:22:53 Sloloem: for holding down an icon? Jul 01 17:23:05 sudo: parse error Jul 01 17:23:11 no valid sudoers sources found Jul 01 17:23:19 pcemkr: then you didn't do it properly Jul 01 17:23:25 you really need to learn linux basics Jul 01 17:23:28 first Jul 01 17:23:31 yeah, apparently Jul 01 17:23:41 there is a link on the wiki home page for linux basics Jul 01 17:23:50 so will I need to use Vi or nano to change some of the code such as that camera sound option to disabled Jul 01 17:23:53 bpadalino|work: I meant in the broader sense Jul 01 17:24:29 you're right - we need a more consumer friendly way to do this stuff :) Jul 01 17:24:35 heh Jul 01 17:24:39 not necessarily code but but you know Jul 01 17:24:39 I'm not sure about that :) Jul 01 17:24:50 I think it's perfectly fine as it is Jul 01 17:25:28 :) Jul 01 17:27:03 giovani|work, for getting it to the next screen. I have issues tapping the corners for the menus too. Works better if I use one of my other fingers for that. The whole phone seems a little small for my hand sometimes, but it's really only when I'm doing stuff on the edges of the screen. Jul 01 17:28:09 i agree placing buttons in the top bar was somewhat of a poor choice .. since they are a bit difficult to tap at times Jul 01 17:30:32 to edit js files or json files would I use Vi? Jul 01 17:32:24 which ever editor you're most comfortable with Jul 01 17:32:47 thanks Jul 01 17:33:11 "/var/log/uploadd/uploadd-history.txt" WTF!!! Jul 01 17:33:25 they are watching you Jul 01 17:34:13 big brother is just checking you out Jul 01 17:35:33 yeah. tjere Jul 01 17:35:44 there's a mod on the wiki to make the top buttons a "swipe down" gesture, rather than a tap Jul 01 17:35:48 it helps Jul 01 17:37:09 Yeah I saw that there, I have the page open...but I always get too sidetracked poking around into some other part of the phone to remember to do it. Jul 01 17:37:41 Anybody get that email landscape hack to work? Jul 01 17:37:50 Lurking_Grue: ... sure Jul 01 17:37:53 takes seconds :) Jul 01 17:39:43 Weird, I type the code and nothing happens. Jul 01 17:39:50 bassrat, hello. Jul 01 17:39:55 Time to look at the code and force the issue ;) Jul 01 17:40:15 Hi basssrat aka Greg Stevenson of preDevCamp here. Jul 01 17:40:29 off topic completely, but anyone good with oracle? Jul 01 17:40:36 i cant get the sudo to work correctly. typed the syntax exactly as the wiki has laid out and keep getting an error when trying sudo -i logged in as my created account. just want to make sure I get that working before edumicatin myself Jul 01 17:40:39 any help is appreciated Jul 01 17:41:11 I need to connect to a server RICHDB, instance prod01, as user with password pass... what is the command for sqlplus? Jul 01 17:41:12 lol Jul 01 17:41:51 get sudo: parse error in /opt/etc/sudoers near line 32 Jul 01 17:42:03 pcemkr: you made a mistake when entering it, as I said Jul 01 17:42:16 "" "" line 34 and 37 Jul 01 17:42:34 ive reentered it exactly as its laid out on the wiki Jul 01 17:42:35 pcemkr: paste your sudoers file to a pastebin Jul 01 17:42:43 you probably entered it incorrectly first Jul 01 17:42:49 like I said, 5 times now Jul 01 17:43:26 so typing it correctly after the fact does nothing? how can i remove those lines then Jul 01 17:43:37 you edit the file Jul 01 17:43:47 echo ... >> appends to the file Jul 01 17:44:01 this is why you need to understand how linux works, before messing around Jul 01 17:45:08 Lurking_Grue: could be related to 1.0.4 Jul 01 17:45:14 thanks Jul 01 17:45:22 I see some reports of it breaking after 1.0.4 Jul 01 17:46:37 nope, works fine on 1.0.4 Jul 01 17:46:44 giovani, what if a sh was set up to automate rooting ? Jul 01 17:46:56 A2NY: automate in what way? Jul 01 17:47:08 I don't see a need for that at all Jul 01 17:47:20 wow I'm pumped Jul 01 17:47:22 someone who can't figure out sudo and bash basics shouldn't be logged in as root on the pre, it's that simple Jul 01 17:47:38 I may have done my first pre hack Jul 01 17:47:39 if someone wants to make an easy way to do it ... go ahead, but I think you're doing them a disservice Jul 01 17:47:42 besides the rooting Jul 01 17:48:43 understand, i guess i would make sure of what is in the sh anyways Jul 01 17:48:59 I just don't see the need at all Jul 01 17:49:11 the people whom would most benefit from having it automated are going to get into trouble with it anyway Jul 01 17:49:22 the people who don't need it ... have no use for it :) Jul 01 17:49:32 yay it worked Jul 01 17:49:32 or if you had a pre rooting business lol Jul 01 17:49:44 thanks for the help guys Jul 01 17:50:05 share the wealth, what did you accomplish ? Jul 01 17:50:07 A2NY: the users who can't manage the basic steps themselves shouldn't have root, hence ... no business :) Jul 01 17:50:22 A2NY: getting paid to help users shoot themselves in the foot? Jul 01 17:50:36 well last night I rooted the pre, and then today I disabled the camera sound Jul 01 17:50:41 I'm big timing it Jul 01 17:50:42 as long as it brings the money in ;) Jul 01 17:51:24 i use the mute button to mute camera Jul 01 17:51:45 i use your mute button Jul 01 17:51:49 I added a button in my camera app to turn it off, and made it default Jul 01 17:51:57 pshh Jul 01 17:52:00 A2NY: u wish Jul 01 17:52:00 :P Jul 01 17:52:05 xD Jul 01 17:52:17 guys - any file types that the pre can download ? Jul 01 17:52:31 hertzi: too many to list, why? Jul 01 17:52:51 because the emulator does non Jul 01 17:52:57 and I dont have a phone :( Jul 01 17:53:22 I think my next step is to get the ddns, since I restarted my pre will it have a different ip? Jul 01 17:53:40 iamfrontosa: that's impossible to say Jul 01 17:53:46 depends on how your network is set up Jul 01 17:53:57 oh Jul 01 17:54:00 or how your provider's network is set up Jul 01 17:54:06 ok Jul 01 17:54:12 I guess I'll see what happens right now Jul 01 17:55:00 hertzi: by default the browser does not allow downloads, but cphelps and I released a patch to correct that Jul 01 17:55:11 ^^ the git patch works great btw Jul 01 17:55:19 err. I should say quilt patch Jul 01 17:55:27 mdklein__: sure it does ... that's how it opens files Jul 01 17:55:41 you mean it doesn't support saving the file to a selected part of the filesystem Jul 01 17:56:51 my device was changing ppp0 ips on reboot Jul 01 17:57:03 blashphemy Jul 01 17:57:06 I think mine is as well Jul 01 17:57:23 sure ... it's common to have a short lease Jul 01 17:57:24 generally when you're storing a webpage in local cache you don't refer to it as downloading... but ok, argue semantics Jul 01 17:57:25 did you follow the dynamic dns for your pre wiki? Jul 01 17:57:30 pretty sure mine changes when it switches towers for the most part Jul 01 17:57:50 bpadalino|work: it shouldn't ... that would break everything Jul 01 17:58:01 eth0 stayed as long as the dhcp lease time wasnt exceeded lol ;) Jul 01 17:58:02 it's also not possible, since your phone is registered to multiple towers at any time Jul 01 17:58:15 so there's no way to define "switching towers" Jul 01 17:58:25 yes i am using dyndns Jul 01 17:58:56 I have to figure that out Jul 01 17:59:41 I signed up at dyndns.com and then I looked at the wiki and was like whaaaaaaa, so i'll read it later Jul 01 18:00:03 giovani, i think saying it would break everything is a little bit of an exaggeration Jul 01 18:00:10 it is very easy to setup Jul 01 18:00:21 bpadalino|work: it would break the way in which the internet is designed to function Jul 01 18:00:40 bpadalino|work: the majority of servers/protocols will not allow an IP change mid-connection Jul 01 18:01:09 however, there's no way that the IP changes when you move towers, since you're never connected to a single tower, unless you're in the middle of nowhere Jul 01 18:01:53 that part i am not 100% sure about .. how do i output adequate power for two towers with completely different channel characteristics to understnad me and all the other users in a CDMA network ? Jul 01 18:02:16 seems like that would dissolve into a near-far problem and i'd be shouting too loud for two towers Jul 01 18:02:36 i would assume you would need a short lease time, else you can easily fill up lease lists, locking out new users Jul 01 18:02:39 too-loud is never a problem for cell phones Jul 01 18:02:50 giovani, you must not be familiar with CDMA Jul 01 18:03:22 I'm highly familiar with radio, and a number of wireless protocols -- I know that you're registered to multiple towers whenever possible in CDMA Jul 01 18:04:08 i suppose registering is different than actively communicating with Jul 01 18:04:41 from what I understand, the voice traffic is multi-casted to the towers you're registered to Jul 01 18:04:42 @mdklein__ that explains a lot Jul 01 18:04:49 it's a first-come first-serve basis, as it's been explained to me Jul 01 18:05:00 this allows the seamless transition when traveling at high speeds Jul 01 18:05:07 @mdklein__ where can I find that ? Jul 01 18:05:13 if you had to move all of the audio to a 2nd tower in a split-second, you would fail Jul 01 18:05:16 giovani, that doesn't make sense to me since we're all using hte same carrier - and this the coding gain at the base station requires users to all come in at around the same power level Jul 01 18:05:17 and the call would drop regularly Jul 01 18:06:31 hertzi: info at http://predev.wikidot.com/downloading-from-the-browser Jul 01 18:06:36 link to patch there Jul 01 18:07:03 i can see a tower handoff happening in the background, requiring a power change .. Jul 01 18:07:12 but i can't see simultaneously transmitting to multiple towers at the same time Jul 01 18:07:33 "simultaneous" is impossible in any radio situation, where you only have one radio Jul 01 18:07:40 rapidly changing is not, however, impossible Jul 01 18:07:53 and clearly for the purpose of human-relating ... we call it simultaenous Jul 01 18:08:03 hmm this jumping signal bar is driving me nuts slowly Jul 01 18:08:15 lol remove it Jul 01 18:08:16 en0x: want to rewrite the code to have it update less often? ;) Jul 01 18:08:24 giovani, how does that work when CDMA is not time division multiplexed ? Jul 01 18:08:28 giovani|work: nah I'm good ;) Jul 01 18:08:43 en0x, grep for RSSI and you will see it's based on a silly number Jul 01 18:08:57 will do that Jul 01 18:09:06 time to go back to python scripting Jul 01 18:09:29 ugh Jul 01 18:09:32 en0x: at least you call is scripting and not programming :-) Jul 01 18:09:46 because its scripting :) Jul 01 18:09:48 if you change the carrier name, you cannot get into phone prefs Jul 01 18:09:54 en0x: your official title should be "professional indenter" Jul 01 18:11:23 :) Jul 01 18:11:42 @mdklein__ danke Jul 01 18:19:28 hello everyone Jul 01 18:25:47 @mdklein__ are mp3's, pics, pdf's.... saved in a way to use them with the on board software? Jul 01 18:25:56 hi mnyan Jul 01 18:26:05 Nnyan Jul 01 18:26:08 I meant Jul 01 18:26:52 hello hertzi Jul 01 18:27:13 giovani, so far i can't find anything that states the tower relationships with the handset :( Jul 01 18:28:23 i have a question, total noob but I'm trying to root my Pre, get to the part where i need to run the python script but I can't run it from command line and double clicking on it just brings up a dos window for a fraction of a second afterwards putty will not connect to local host so i'm thinking it's not running Jul 01 18:29:53 sorry - european mac user - no help there :| Jul 01 18:30:21 mac FTW! Jul 01 18:30:28 :P Jul 01 18:30:37 Nnyan: what happens when you try to run from a cmd line Jul 01 18:30:45 nnyan, using novaproxy or talk ? Jul 01 18:30:49 en0x: be nice Jul 01 18:30:59 i am Jul 01 18:31:00 :( Jul 01 18:32:17 when i run "python novaproxy.py" i get 'python' is not recognized as an... Jul 01 18:33:02 is talk better to use then novaproxy? Jul 01 18:33:07 your python doesn't seem to be in your Path Jul 01 18:33:22 novaproxy i think is better Jul 01 18:33:45 that makes sense i installed the python 2.62 via the link i found Jul 01 18:34:11 hertzi: yes, however as of right now pics/mp3s I think are opened in the browser... I'm working on a save-as gesture to allow downloads of things the browser can normally handle Jul 01 18:34:22 pdfs downloaded will show up fine in the pdf app Jul 01 18:34:56 Nnyan: you can also just do C:\Python26\python.exe novaproxy if you dont care to set your path Jul 01 18:35:37 Nnyan: I used the ActiveState version of python Jul 01 18:36:18 or do what gkatsev say :-) Jul 01 18:36:52 ok when i run c:\python26\python.exe novaproxy.py i get further but I do get an error: File "novaproxy.py", line 5 then a doctype line followed by: syntaxerror: invalid syntax Jul 01 18:37:06 i'm downloading the active state version now Jul 01 18:37:21 @mdklein__ great work :) Jul 01 18:37:29 i'm sorry to bother you guys, but i'm just trying to setup the wallpaper switcher before i leave for work: i'm getting an error on line 10: if(unexpected). any quick fixes? Jul 01 18:39:49 nnyan, seems like you have the html prettified file and not the actual python script Jul 01 18:40:36 duh ok where do i get the actual script? by the way thank you guys for all your help this is a very supportive group! Jul 01 18:41:31 nnyan, if you go to the webpage, there is a raw download link .. Jul 01 18:44:05 anybody have experience with the commander app? Jul 01 18:44:26 it works? Jul 01 18:44:32 Can I use wget via it, to get a .ipk and then install it? Jul 01 18:44:56 SirWill: i dont see why not, though, never tried it Jul 01 18:45:20 trying it Jul 01 18:45:26 SirWill: though, you are probably better off doing that via ssh Jul 01 18:45:48 SirWill: just be careful cuz you are running as root Jul 01 18:45:53 possibly Jul 01 18:53:21 how do I navigate in a line of text left and right without touching the screen? Jul 01 18:53:29 dont' think you can Jul 01 18:54:07 SirWill: you can't Jul 01 18:54:36 SirWill: I presume you know about the per-character navigation though (this still requires touching the screen ... but allows much greater accuracy) Jul 01 18:54:51 how does that work giovani Jul 01 18:55:00 The SplashID app should back up in the app catalog soon. They are doing updates Jul 01 18:55:02 SirWill: you hold down the orange button Jul 01 18:55:13 and then swipe left, down, up, right to move in that position Jul 01 18:55:15 touching I can't get to the last character on a line it exit's out of the field. Jul 01 18:55:22 K Jul 01 18:55:26 SirWill: this is in the manual, btw Jul 01 18:55:41 selecting text is done with the shift button instead of orange Jul 01 18:56:01 yes, he wanted to navigate though, not select Jul 01 18:56:13 right, just mentioning it Jul 01 18:59:07 How do i access the /media/internal/ in an emulator to tranfer files to Jul 01 18:59:40 Saiks: I presume via the network? Jul 01 19:00:28 novacom can do it Jul 01 19:00:33 How? like from my desktop Jul 01 19:01:33 Saiks: you log in ... the same way you would with a physical pre Jul 01 19:01:36 over the network Jul 01 19:01:56 just pulled git code for linux rooting and there is no autogen.sh file. Jul 01 19:02:07 oh yeah Jul 01 19:02:10 just make Jul 01 19:02:18 ok thx Jul 01 19:02:33 is autogen.sh in the readme or in the directions ? Jul 01 19:03:24 must be in the readme Jul 01 19:03:32 readme Jul 01 19:03:54 the executable will be called novacom btw Jul 01 19:04:05 i'll change it when i get home Jul 01 19:04:10 yea i can log into the emulator and access the /media/internal, but how do i tranfer from from my desktop to it Jul 01 19:04:33 anyone know if splashid does any reasonable level of encryption to protect your data? Jul 01 19:04:51 Well, I successfully installed an ipk using wget and ipkg via the commander. Jul 01 19:04:52 encryption takes power - f it Jul 01 19:05:10 heh, yeah put all your sensitive passwords in cleartext ;) and then upload them to Palm Jul 01 19:05:23 sounds like a good idea to me :) Jul 01 19:05:53 timboy, did that work for you ? Jul 01 19:06:52 yes Jul 01 19:07:09 psykoz: lmao Jul 01 19:07:34 good point regarding all your pre fs are belong to palm Jul 01 19:07:35 where is /media/internal/ located in the emulator? and how do i transfer files to it from my desktop Jul 01 19:08:25 http://predev.wikidot.com/change-carrier-string Jul 01 19:08:31 has anyone else done this ? Jul 01 19:08:58 lol Jul 01 19:08:59 silly Jul 01 19:09:13 destinal, well it's not even that, I mean in theory the db's that account info is stored in for your email and various stuff is probably usable on any pre and if someone gets those then, there goes your email security, but an app like splashid (which is the equivalent of my use case for KeePASS) needs to be heavily encrypted against the strong password you use on it Jul 01 19:09:23 SirWill !!!! COOL BEANS !!! Jul 01 19:09:25 because you're putting more than just your email passwords in there Jul 01 19:09:37 so, write that up. That's great! Jul 01 19:10:05 psykoz: I hadn't seen splashid Jul 01 19:10:17 so, root once, install commander, and then install sideloads via wget and ipkg. Write it up in the wiki, then put a tip into PreCentral. Jul 01 19:10:22 Well, there was a couple slight issues. 1, I didn't specify where to download the file because cd doesn't work in commander. Jul 01 19:10:32 not _unrooted_ install, but close. Jul 01 19:10:38 psykoz: they use 256bit blowfish, but how are your keys stored, is the question Jul 01 19:10:39 and I used ipkg instead of ipkg-opt Jul 01 19:10:48 doesn't wget let you spec a target directory? Jul 01 19:11:06 well you would WANT to use ipkg for stuff like that unless you're installing binaries... Jul 01 19:11:20 Why had I not thought of that? Jul 01 19:11:31 It might, I'm not that up on it. I am going to look at the phone when I get home and see where the .ipk is, I didn't delete it but I could have. Jul 01 19:12:03 And I couldn't get the rescan {} to work... I ended up rebooting to see if it installed. It did. Jul 01 19:12:14 bpadalino, any idea why at random intervals I can't type in the root terminal from my tty session? Jul 01 19:12:16 Iinstalled Raja's tether app Jul 01 19:12:51 I wanted to install the app, but i was not at home and can't get in to the phone via ssh from work. Jul 01 19:12:56 timboy, is it about 1/2 second tiemout before you can type again ? Jul 01 19:13:19 bpadalino, no it is longer than that Jul 01 19:13:25 where is /media/internal/ located in the emulator? and how do i transfer files to it from my desktop Jul 01 19:13:27 that is a little strange Jul 01 19:13:45 there is a heartbeat that happens every 1/2 second .. Jul 01 19:14:09 i guess it's possible i keep hitting it at the 1/2 second... :P Jul 01 19:14:19 timboy, doubtful Jul 01 19:14:27 agreed Jul 01 19:14:38 timboy, the timeout should be set to 1/30th of a second .. Jul 01 19:14:44 for reading input keys Jul 01 19:14:47 and sending them out Jul 01 19:14:52 SirWill: ipkg lets you specify a URL directly: ipkg install http://url.com/path/to/pkg.ipk Jul 01 19:14:59 timboy, how quickly do you type ? Jul 01 19:15:08 any help from any one? Jul 01 19:15:33 bpadalino, been typing slowly. I've resorted to highlighting currently and dragging code into it. I have to attempt the drag about 5 times for it to take Jul 01 19:15:42 SirWill: you can ssh to the ppp0 interface? Jul 01 19:15:49 timboy, all linux or is this osx ? Jul 01 19:15:52 linux, right ? Jul 01 19:15:54 hrmm .. Jul 01 19:16:05 linux Jul 01 19:16:10 which distribution ? Jul 01 19:16:40 ubuntu 9.04 Jul 01 19:17:09 can you exit out of the shell and try again - see if it goes away, or if it persists ? Jul 01 19:17:16 ok Jul 01 19:17:50 Saiks: ssh to the emulator, port 5522, user root, no password. Use wget to download files to /media/internal. Jul 01 19:18:39 SirWill yeppers. ipkg install http://ssome_path_to_ipk.ipk works fine from commander. Jul 01 19:19:00 it calls wget... into /tmp installs it and then deletes the ipk Jul 01 19:19:05 bpadalino, still there. and it is verified to be random. I can type fine for 15 seconds then nothing for sometimes 1 or 2 or 10 Jul 01 19:19:18 oh. We've seen that before. Jul 01 19:19:35 can you give me a wget script sample i can use... i'm a newbie Jul 01 19:19:51 timboy, ah - i wonder if what may be happening is we're selecting on the user input .. but not reading the usb .. Jul 01 19:20:02 so we should possibly toggle between those two reads Jul 01 19:21:18 timboy, i'll try something when i get home .. Jul 01 19:21:47 ok cool. by then i won't need it... :P Jul 01 19:22:06 Saiks try http://www.jwz.org/tipcalculator/org.jwz.tipcalculator_1.0.4_all.ipk Jul 01 19:22:18 :( Jul 01 19:22:21 sorry timboy Jul 01 19:23:40 i meant to transfer from from my computer HDD using wget Jul 01 19:23:54 so i have tested the wiki for changing carrier name and it doesnt work Jul 01 19:24:34 if you change it, you can no longer do top-left taps Jul 01 19:24:46 you have to modify the js file Jul 01 19:25:17 and this keeps all, airplane mode, search, etc in tact Jul 01 19:25:17 what's the difference between dropbear and openSSH? i've only ever used openSSH. Jul 01 19:25:40 timboy: dropbear is smaller and no sftp, i believe Jul 01 19:25:41 dropbear is about half the size and provides 98% of the functionality. Jul 01 19:26:07 so no scp with dropbear? Jul 01 19:26:09 Rick_: is sftp the only thing thats really missing from dropbear? Jul 01 19:26:18 scp works fine. Jul 01 19:26:22 timboy: scp uses ssh, so, you're fine, no sftp Jul 01 19:26:24 oh ok good! Jul 01 19:26:28 It may be sftp I don't remember. Jul 01 19:26:39 timboy: what are you going to be using to scp? Jul 01 19:27:00 what do you mean? Jul 01 19:27:08 timboy: what program will you want to use for scp? Jul 01 19:27:21 not sure Jul 01 19:27:39 timboy: for example, in putty, pscp by default uses sftp (yeah, i know) but you can use the -scp tag to force it to only do scp Jul 01 19:27:58 timboy: so, just letting you know ahead of time Jul 01 19:28:00 oh ok i see what u mean. I will be doing it from my linux box Jul 01 19:28:02 thx Jul 01 19:28:18 timboy: yeah, then i dont think youll have a problem Jul 01 19:28:35 nope. :) Jul 01 19:29:54 yeah, i switch between windows and linux (have a dual boot of win7 and ubuntu) and when i was on windows and tried pscping stuff over, i kept getting errors Jul 01 19:30:34 perhaps it is worth mentioning it on the wiki somewhere Jul 01 19:40:47 How do i transfer files from my computer HDD to the emulator /media/internal/. Will get work, if so how? Or what else works. Jul 01 19:43:12 easiest way is to scp to localhost port 5522 - user is "root", no password by default Jul 01 19:45:58 i did that... i can access it but how do i transfer file to it like in USB mode on the phone Jul 01 19:47:11 not ssh, scp (secure copy protocol) Jul 01 19:48:03 winscp is an easy GUI way to do it Jul 01 19:48:05 oh let me try that Jul 01 19:48:50 can i use putty Jul 01 19:48:59 no Jul 01 19:49:11 Saiks, it's it's own app Jul 01 19:49:58 http://winscp.net Jul 01 19:50:54 thanks Jul 01 19:53:19 host name? Jul 01 19:53:25 localhost Jul 01 19:53:29 localhost right? Jul 01 19:53:44 thanks Jul 01 19:53:58 does anybody know the difference between the private & public bus is for luna-send? From the help: -P send over the public bus (send over private bus is default) Jul 01 19:54:19 I'm seeing some uri's that don't work over the public bus, and this seems to be the bus we access from our apps. Jul 01 19:56:39 drnull: no, I hadn't heard there were two. what URL's seem to be restricted to private? Jul 01 19:56:50 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.mediadb/audio/listsongs {} Jul 01 19:56:57 are most ppl using ajaxPHPterm? Jul 01 19:57:09 with -P that fails with "com.palm.mediadb is not running." Jul 01 19:57:22 I got a network error. connection refused Jul 01 19:57:34 Saiks, set your port to 5522 Jul 01 19:58:03 yes Jul 01 19:58:30 and make sure the emulator is running Jul 01 19:59:11 its running, i just connected thru putty ans then exit Jul 01 19:59:46 bpadalino|work, don't bother with figuring out the typing issue. seems to be happening similarly with ssh Jul 01 20:00:01 ok spoke too soon. My ssh session just crapped out Jul 01 20:01:08 zodttd: yo Jul 01 20:01:08 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.location/getCurrentPosition {} works the same with or without the -P Jul 01 20:01:31 timboy, oh - ok Jul 01 20:01:36 timboy, top shows high usage ? Jul 01 20:02:14 sorry I spoke too soon my ssh session ended and I couldn't type. just seemed to be the same Jul 01 20:03:28 so i should still look into it ? Jul 01 20:03:48 bpadalino, yes Jul 01 20:03:51 heya nebula! Jul 01 20:04:17 okie dokie Jul 01 20:08:35 drnull: yup, the public bus seems to have more in the way of restrictions on access Jul 01 20:08:38 root@castle:/var/log# luna-send -P -n 1 palm://com.palm.location/setAutoLocate {\"autoLocate\":\"true\"} Jul 01 20:08:38 ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"errorCode":"ErrorGenericOperationNotPermitted", "errorText":"Permission Denied"} Jul 01 20:09:17 same command works on the private bus just fine Jul 01 20:09:25 That nullifies a concern we saw earlier today then, I guess. Jul 01 20:10:00 http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/01/gsm-pre-to-launch-on-o2-in-uk-next-week/ <- win! Jul 01 20:10:09 wow, so soon? Jul 01 20:10:11 (not massively so for me, but GSM means it's closer to .au!) Jul 01 20:11:36 yeah Jul 01 20:11:43 root apps now :( Jul 01 20:11:47 later Jul 01 20:12:58 jdub, and you could always buy an unlocked english phone ... Jul 01 20:13:39 Rick_: but then i'd be stuck with one of those nuclear reactor power plugs ;-) Jul 01 20:13:40 hey guys, I'm working on using USBnet to tether my phone. it works, but there's no name resolution. Jul 01 20:13:52 Rick_: with all the hype in the US, image what a GSM Pre will go for on ebay... Jul 01 20:14:06 bahua: you can't talk here Jul 01 20:14:10 there is name resolution with bluetooth, but my bluetooth connection is spotty at best Jul 01 20:14:24 come again? Jul 01 20:14:30 drnull: my only question is, if it can only be set via the private bus, how is it set by com.palm.app.location (ie is this service specifically matched to this app and allowed to send private messages?) Jul 01 20:16:38 I believe so. Because AppID com.palm.musicplayer has permissions to access URI:com.palm.mediadb Jul 01 20:16:46 I wonder if that GSM pre in europe is dual band Jul 01 20:16:52 for 3g... Jul 01 20:17:01 so my next question, where's that access list maintained? Jul 01 20:17:17 hey fellas, im in the phone as root trying to remove some lines in the sudoers folder, but it is read only. How can i open the file using vi with it in r/w mode? Jul 01 20:17:51 pcemkr: have you remounted the filesystem rw? Jul 01 20:18:00 That's rootfs_open -w, right? Jul 01 20:18:18 or mount -o remount,rw / Jul 01 20:18:38 i thought i did, rootfs_open -w Jul 01 20:19:00 Does the Pre's sudo package use visudo? Jul 01 20:19:08 do i use that syntax while sitting at the bin/etc directory Jul 01 20:19:10 or at root Jul 01 20:19:32 I know on the last system I worked on didn't like to let its sudoers file be edited directly, you had to use visudo Jul 01 20:19:53 Sloloem: the optware package you mean? Jul 01 20:19:55 Sloloem: if visudo exists, use it Jul 01 20:20:01 Sloloem: it includes visudo Jul 01 20:20:09 destinal: apparently, all you have to do is make sure your application ID starts with com.palm, and you're gold. I don't know where the check occurs, though. Jul 01 20:20:58 what switch do i use in conjuction with visudo? eg: visudo -c sudoers Jul 01 20:21:00 drnull: seems likely only apps in /usr can assert that namespace Jul 01 20:21:10 awesome. Jul 01 20:21:11 visudo automatically edits the sudoers file Jul 01 20:21:28 drnull: though I'll have to check to make sure Jul 01 20:21:29 What happened to the whole "eating their own dogfood" line? Jul 01 20:21:29 ahh, thnx Jul 01 20:21:36 pcemkr: that's up to you ... Jul 01 20:21:41 if you want to use -c ... go ahead Jul 01 20:21:43 it's not "required" Jul 01 20:21:43 drnull: eh? Jul 01 20:22:09 Just that palm had developed all these applications using the same set of services that the rest of the developers would have access to. Jul 01 20:22:49 I want to find a way to remove all sprint customization packages at once, does anyone have info on this? Jul 01 20:22:52 well, do you know for sure it's the com.palm.* name that allows access? Jul 01 20:23:07 boohyah! finally got the whole created user with root access. that was a learning process i tell ya. thanks guys Jul 01 20:23:47 Excellent! Now if that process can make it to the wiki... you'd really rock :) Jul 01 20:24:06 positive. I just made an app under com.palm.drnull and it worked fine (in /var/usr) Jul 01 20:24:14 freetim: what process is that? Jul 01 20:24:18 drnull: ah, ok Jul 01 20:24:31 drnull: there really isn't any reason that we have to install in /var Jul 01 20:25:09 cphelps: I just wanted to find out if that namespace worked in the 3rd party apps dir. arguably, palm wouldn't approve an app for the app store that used their namespace, but just worth checking Jul 01 20:25:35 cphelps: no, but I don't think it matters in this case. Plus, it's so easy to deploy to /var when using the palm-install scripts. :) Jul 01 20:26:33 drnull: my understanding is that is where installNoVerify is going to put stuff Jul 01 20:26:49 drnull: but there must be another call we can make to install in / Jul 01 20:26:52 so the only question is where the "palm name = private bus" comes from Jul 01 20:27:15 I tend to agree that 3rd party apps shouldn't muck with system settings so it's good that there is *some* control though Jul 01 20:27:20 Think it might be session bus and system bus? My understand of dbus as a whole is primitive. Jul 01 20:28:04 destinal: true, the current division just seems a little ... poor. mediadb is used for accessing all the *media*. So pictures/video/audio/etc would be off limits to 3rd party apps. Jul 01 20:28:07 it's unfortunate if it means that we have to use the palm name on our own apps to change settings for things though Jul 01 20:28:13 drnull: because the actual java code for the packager puts stuff in /usr Jul 01 20:28:44 maybe there's a list somewhere and we can approve another namespace Jul 01 20:29:01 cphelps: ahh, in the data.tar of the ipkg file? So it does. Jul 01 20:29:40 drnull: I am rewriting the sideloader as a GUI app with a lot more power. Jul 01 20:30:18 drnull: you will be able to add files anywhere. I have to figure out how to tell the installer to actually DO that though Jul 01 20:30:20 and it communicates through novacom? Jul 01 20:30:27 drnull: yes Jul 01 20:30:30 cool Jul 01 20:30:38 drnull: the luna send commands are cake Jul 01 20:30:55 drnull: but I have to figure out what gets called when the internal apps are updated Jul 01 20:31:07 anyone know how I can get a screenshot of the lock screen? Jul 01 20:31:35 Screenshot is orange,sym,p I think. Jul 01 20:31:51 But I can't get the lock screen with the keyboard open Jul 01 20:32:24 sam1am: then you'll be taking a picture of it with your iphone :-) Jul 01 20:32:44 zing! Jul 01 20:32:58 blasphemy! Jul 01 20:34:19 drnull: if you or destinal ever get around to figuring out what code is actually in control of the com.palm.applicationManager, that would help me out Jul 01 20:34:29 because it sure as shit isn't any of the java libs Jul 01 20:34:30 cphelps: why not just remove before install? Jul 01 20:35:12 drnull: I just want to see what commands are being executed by the updater. Assumedly they call something that requires signed packages Jul 01 20:35:19 What exactly is sprintdaemon - 1.0.0-51.6 package? is that the sprint customization package or just part of it? Jul 01 20:35:34 and those packages most likely are allowed to do a lot more than just live in /var Jul 01 20:35:39 cphelps: it's in Luna Jul 01 20:35:40 root@castle:/usr/palm/applications# dbus-util --list|grep -i applicationmanager Jul 01 20:35:40 :1.7 (busname=com.palm.applicationManager pid=1198 procname=/usr/bin/LunaSysMgr) Jul 01 20:35:57 not java at all Jul 01 20:36:01 destinal: I suspected :-) Jul 01 20:36:03 Yeah, strings /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr|less Jul 01 20:36:17 search for applicationManager Jul 01 20:36:26 you'll see some of the functions you can call listed below it Jul 01 20:36:35 launchPointChanges.... Jul 01 20:37:59 so I did steps 4+ on here: http://predev.wikidot.com/message-sound and now messaging won't start. any ideas? (i only did steps 4+ because I have the my sounds app installed) Jul 01 20:38:10 *my notification app Jul 01 20:43:54 What is the install.bat equivelent for mac? Jul 01 20:45:21 I think I'll write up reverse-tethering :) sometimes CDMA is too slow and you have no wifi but your linux PC has ethernet and you have usbnet to your linux PC Jul 01 20:45:56 sam1am: install.sh? Jul 01 20:46:00 or your windows pc Jul 01 20:46:10 reverse tethering is a GOOD idea Jul 01 20:46:54 might be harder to windows, I'll have to think about that one. Jul 01 20:47:09 usbnet runs on windows Jul 01 20:47:27 right but can windows make a usbnet to ethernet router? maybe with connection sharing? Jul 01 20:47:37 mikeDOTd - is that true or are you guessing? Jul 01 20:49:10 sam1am: it depends on what you're after. os-x has a unix layer, so you could write a shell script named install.sh to perform some operations. but usually an os-x gui application will be installed using their Installer application Jul 01 20:49:17 anyone know where ipkg-opt stores temporary files Jul 01 20:49:19 ? Jul 01 20:49:58 no ideas on why my messaging app stopped working? Jul 01 20:50:04 mikeDOTd: I'm not trying to install applications in osx, I'm trying to install applications onto my Pre (1.0.4) Jul 01 20:51:37 sam1am: you can copy files over by mounting the pre as a usb drive, then consoling (rooting) into the pre and copying the files from /media/internal to whereever you'd like them Jul 01 20:52:07 is the orange button considered option, alt, or ctrl ? Jul 01 20:52:33 A2NY|lunch: neither, it's the orange button Jul 01 20:52:37 mikeDOTd: I think there is more involved in installing an .ipk than just moving it somewhere Jul 01 20:52:48 http://predev.wikidot.com/key-codes Jul 01 20:53:54 if you installed the mac version of the sdk, there should be shell scripts that are the equivalent of the batch files, but I don't think any of us have looked at the mac version. You might ask that question in #webos... Jul 01 20:54:24 morning Jul 01 20:54:26 drnull: ping Jul 01 20:54:28 since the guys in here are busy figuring out how dbus works and messing at the operating system kernal level. Jul 01 20:54:38 Morning rwhitby. Jul 01 20:55:12 rwhitby: GSM pre coming to UK very soon -> good news for us :) Jul 01 20:55:19 sam1am: sorry, i'm not really sure what you're trying to do. if you just want to install an ipkg, copy it to /media/internal, console in, run 'ipkg-opt install /media/internal/my.ipkg' and it should work. but maybe you're doing something i'm not familiar with Jul 01 20:55:19 jdub: saw that Jul 01 20:55:26 rumors say next week. Jul 01 20:55:56 mikeDOTd: That's what I was looking for - thanks! Jul 01 20:58:40 I need some help with rooting 0_0 Jul 01 20:59:06 What's up, commandercup? Jul 01 20:59:23 I'm on step 9 where I update the optware package database Jul 01 20:59:33 but when I enter the command, I get /bin/sh: ipkg-opt: not found Jul 01 20:59:41 am I supposed to be in a certain directory? Jul 01 21:00:08 did you get ipkg to install correctly ? Jul 01 21:00:15 ipkg-opt Jul 01 21:00:20 su Jul 01 21:00:27 woops wrong window Jul 01 21:00:34 lol Jul 01 21:00:44 lolll Jul 01 21:00:49 commandercup: what's your level of linux experience? Jul 01 21:01:06 very little experience if any Jul 01 21:01:25 ok, which steps in the procedure have you skipped so far? Jul 01 21:01:38 heh Jul 01 21:01:43 (actually, please confirm exactly which page you are following first) Jul 01 21:01:50 eh? I've gone up to number 9 Jul 01 21:01:55 and I'm using http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting Jul 01 21:02:16 commandercup: did you do step 8? Jul 01 21:02:25 yeah Jul 01 21:02:33 commandercup: did you do the "cd /" in step 5? Jul 01 21:02:43 let me check Jul 01 21:03:26 mikeDOTd: I tried your method but the applications do not show up in the launcher. Jul 01 21:04:01 I think I may have skipped step 5 Jul 01 21:04:07 sam1am: you might need to restart the launcher Jul 01 21:04:49 commandercup: the remedy for skipping steps is to get out the webos doctor and start again. Jul 01 21:05:00 stupid LunaSysMgr definitely has a string in there to tell it to install to /var at least by default Jul 01 21:05:10 webos doctor? Jul 01 21:05:31 commandercup: what lets you reset the phone to factory fresh Jul 01 21:05:41 o Jul 01 21:05:57 but of course, sprintnav and nascar can install to /usr, so it has nothing to do with namespace... Jul 01 21:07:37 sam1am -- if you use that method you have to reset Luna before they show up, you can either use the rescan method or pkill LunaSysMgr (which auto-restarts it) Jul 01 21:08:37 Rick_ Thanks, does the rescan method work without restarting Luna? Jul 01 21:08:45 yep Jul 01 21:09:28 Where can I find how to do that? Jul 01 21:11:46 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Jul 01 21:12:47 Hacking the root, on dropbear install step 8 - you need a cd / command in there first Jul 01 21:12:58 Can someone add? I don't have access to wiki Jul 01 21:13:09 you will soon Jul 01 21:13:26 where it remounts the file system as read only, it broke for me until i did cd / first Jul 01 21:13:36 Thanks Robi ! Jul 01 21:14:12 freetim: nice catch, thanks. Jul 01 21:15:21 rockin ' !! Only too glad to help Jul 01 21:15:37 freetim: that's what we like to hear Jul 01 21:16:01 So, has anyone else tried the quilt workflow in the last 12 hours? Jul 01 21:16:20 ya, brwser one failed.. did it manually ;-/ Jul 01 21:16:27 but i may have had an older patch Jul 01 21:18:23 do the paths still include a/ and b/ Jul 01 21:20:04 ok , done. Thanks Jul 01 21:20:54 Robi_: the add/remove applauncher pages one works Jul 01 21:22:01 I haven't had a chance to test the quilt stuff - but from reading over the wiki entry it sounds like quilt + a good GUI front-end for it could be a *huge* step forward in homebrew on the pre Jul 01 21:23:36 very good wiki instructions. It took me exactly 22 minutes to do all the steps to gain root access and plus Dropbear and reboot and re-test, start to finish. Jul 01 21:25:18 freetim: can you please add that time estimate at the start of that flow, to give people an idea of how much time they need to reserve to do the process? Jul 01 21:25:25 jlefler|work: yeah, that's the idea. Jul 01 21:26:15 Not sure if it's fair. I'm a system engineer. Can I say 30 minutes? Jul 01 21:26:31 rwhitby: I am a dev and am really excited to contribute to this effort...but it looks like I am going to have to wait about 6 months. Sprint service and me just aren't getting along and unless something changes fast, I am having to return the Pre on friday. Jul 01 21:27:02 round up is good Jul 01 21:27:15 jlefler|work: I don't have a Pre yet. Jul 01 21:27:21 freetim: Perhaps a time range "based on level of experience" Jul 01 21:27:30 Ok that sounds good. Will do Jul 01 21:27:39 rwhitby: had access to a Pre though ;] Jul 01 21:28:12 rwhitby: Once the release the Linux SDK, I'll probably start work on a few projects in it..but hard to dedicate too much time until I at least know a Pre is in my (and Verizon's) future Jul 01 21:28:14 rooting pre is a lot quicker on a mac Jul 01 21:28:22 Robi_: yes, thanks to you. that couple of hours really helped on getting the quilt flow correct. Jul 01 21:29:25 looking for some assistance with novaproxy.py script. anyone available to assist? Jul 01 21:30:33 I just went through it that1guynick, for my first time. So sure I'll try to help Jul 01 21:31:03 Installed python 2.6.2, and when I open the file, it gives me an error. tried running it manually from command line (python novaproxy.py) and it said python not a recognized program Jul 01 21:31:11 some other file association I need to do maybe? Jul 01 21:31:24 that1guynick: under windows? Jul 01 21:31:29 vista 64 Jul 01 21:31:39 that1guynick, can you paste the error online and link us ? Jul 01 21:32:21 novacomd couldnt find your Pre. Ensure it is plugged in and in Developer Mode Jul 01 21:32:52 doing this via USB, and I can see it as Palm Novacom in the "Safely Remove" list Jul 01 21:33:00 wait for the driver to install into WindowsXP, if you ran the MSI installer it may take a min or two to wake up after plugging in the Pre Jul 01 21:33:01 so the driver worked great, and it's there Jul 01 21:33:03 that1guynick, when you installed your windows drivers - was your pre plugged in or unplugged ? Jul 01 21:33:37 it was plugged in, yes. I have unplugged, booted the phone, put back in devel mode, and then plugged it back in Jul 01 21:33:43 should I unplug and reinstall driver msi? Jul 01 21:34:06 can you verify novacomd.exe is running ? Jul 01 21:34:36 yes, it is listed in Processes as a running task Jul 01 21:35:00 can you tell if port 6968 is open on your vista box ? Jul 01 21:35:28 So I just noticed if you uninstall the connect 4 app and reinstall it, it gives you 10 more games :) Jul 01 21:36:07 haha, nice Jul 01 21:36:48 bp, Im adding it to exception list. TCP or UDP? Jul 01 21:36:58 TCP Jul 01 21:39:39 anyone want colorful service signal bars ;) Jul 01 21:40:12 that would be amazing Jul 01 21:40:24 red yellow and green based on signal strength? :P Jul 01 21:40:45 what, no pink omg ponies rainbow mode? Jul 01 21:40:47 and RED too!!!! Jul 01 21:41:02 there is a nes emulator out right? Jul 01 21:41:09 pinkomgponies is a whole other level of amazing Jul 01 21:41:55 ok...update. Jul 01 21:42:30 geeze, it took so long to reset my phone and reactivate :( Jul 01 21:42:34 uninstalled novacmd. unplugged the Pre, reinstalled novacmd64, plugged in Pre, and it actually detected it this time as a device and gave the 'successful' message Jul 01 21:42:36 now I have to spend half an hour rooting it Jul 01 21:42:45 Man I keep finding useless things. Jul 01 21:43:04 I can now show the pulsing "palm" boot logo on command. Jul 01 21:43:12 lol Jul 01 21:43:28 half an hour? Jul 01 21:43:44 really? How do you do that? Fun. Jul 01 21:43:57 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.systemmanager/runProgressAnimation {\"state\":\"start\"} Jul 01 21:44:16 eh, that's what that other guy had as an estimate on how long it took Jul 01 21:44:29 yo Jul 01 21:44:33 A2NY: hey thanks for fixing the change-carrier-string, that was what i was going to do first but didnt know you needed $L("string") Jul 01 21:44:48 still getting the "cannot find your Pre" message. Jul 01 21:44:50 :( Jul 01 21:44:59 no problem ;) Jul 01 21:45:10 power of wikis :) Jul 01 21:45:20 i guess the question is do we want to change the carrier in the phone app ? Jul 01 21:45:30 that1guynick, if port 6968 is not open, then novacomd couldn't find it .. Jul 01 21:45:40 but it's USB? Jul 01 21:45:44 does that matter? Jul 01 21:45:52 it matters Jul 01 21:45:54 A2NY, why would you want to? Jul 01 21:46:01 it's doing netowrking OVER the usb Jul 01 21:46:02 I found the /sys/ device to control the vibration ringer...I guess we could make games with forcefeedback or something now Jul 01 21:46:12 it still says it in the phone app? i just got home from work so i havent done your updated method Jul 01 21:46:14 gotcha. let me just kill the firewall and see if that helps Jul 01 21:46:44 weren't there instructions on disabling firewalls ? Jul 01 21:46:46 yes, in the phone app it still says sprint Jul 01 21:47:01 leave it as sprint Jul 01 21:47:28 changing it in the phone app won't make it work with others Jul 01 21:47:36 Sloloem -- document them on the wiki. Even if WE can't think of a use, someone will. There's always the "kill my battery" app.. Brightness up fill, turn on flash led, turn on vibrate.... Jul 01 21:48:00 yeah thats what i was thinking so i have left mine Jul 01 21:48:01 LarrySteeze -- they're changing it to say "Fred's Phone" or something. Jul 01 21:48:14 bp, negative. did not see any reference to networking on the http://predev.wikidot.com/using-novaproxy page Jul 01 21:48:16 in the phone app doesnt bother me Jul 01 21:48:20 I don't believe that is listed in the phone app its self though Jul 01 21:48:43 i just wanted an identifier on the phone with my name, its not like i leave the phone app up all the time xD Jul 01 21:49:09 I have mine closing the phone app when it is not focused Jul 01 21:49:13 interesting Jul 01 21:49:18 A2NY: same here, if i left it in a meeting room someone would be able to get it back to me Jul 01 21:49:31 Rick_, how do I go about getting an account, or is there someone who can put it somewhere for me? Jul 01 21:49:37 but i did have the idea of "un branding" the phone Jul 01 21:49:40 sloloem, for the wiki? Jul 01 21:49:43 that1guynick, novacom driver will connect to your device and open a localhost socket so you can ahve multiple connections to the USB device .. Jul 01 21:49:49 just make sure you have a wikidot account Jul 01 21:49:53 and then request membership Jul 01 21:50:06 one of the admins will approve you Jul 01 21:50:11 that1guynick, when it detects novacom on the other side, it will open port 6968 .. there is some way in windows to see which ports are open and see which program they are associated with Jul 01 21:50:23 or else if someone wants to give you the password...i don't remember what the pass is Jul 01 21:50:53 Hopefully I can find something else usefull now, besides a vibrating boot animation Jul 01 21:51:14 Sloloem: if you have something you want updated in the wiki immediately, I can do it for you Jul 01 21:51:21 I added an "exception" in the windows firewall before, but now it is completely disabled. when I try to run 'python novaproxy.py' from cmd line, I get that PYTHON is not associated to anything. Jul 01 21:51:42 but here is the link to create an account: http://www.wikidot.com/auth:newaccount?origUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fpredev.wikidot.com%2F Jul 01 21:51:44 Now my firewall is completely "OFF" so that shouldnt be an issue Jul 01 21:51:45 that1guynick, you posted a completely different error before ... Jul 01 21:51:56 that1guynick, is that how you ran it before ? Jul 01 21:52:01 c:\python26\python.exe c:\novaproxy.py ? Jul 01 21:52:39 Ive tried both double clicking on the novaproxy.py, which gives the "cant find your Pre" and running it from cmd line, which gives the python....DOH! It needs the env variable. Jul 01 21:52:40 LarrySteeze, if I had something impressive I would...this is just random stuff I'm finding while I'm bored and still on vacation so I really have nothing better to do than poke the phone all day. Jul 01 21:52:42 thx A2 Jul 01 21:53:06 I've been out of the country for the last couple weeks...what'd I miss? Jul 01 21:53:32 apparently a bug was found and patched to install applications via email Jul 01 21:54:03 and landscape email as well... Jul 01 21:54:16 anything else good? Jul 01 21:54:33 quilt work flow is figured out for adding patches to stock apps .. Jul 01 21:54:44 aha Jul 01 21:54:58 i also saw that the mojo sdk was leaked Jul 01 21:55:04 indeed Jul 01 21:55:14 anyone been playing with it? Jul 01 21:55:29 I downloaded it but couldn't get much of anything to work. Jul 01 21:55:38 ah Jul 01 21:55:46 any qemu progress? Jul 01 21:55:49 nope Jul 01 21:55:53 that sucks Jul 01 21:57:21 has anyone got more than three app launcher windows ? Jul 01 21:57:29 I got that wikidot account, who do I ask for edit approval? Jul 01 21:57:32 stickydialer still only seems to work for me 50% of the time Jul 01 21:58:14 home time Jul 01 21:59:39 i like how palm referred to the kanomi code as an Easter Jul 01 21:59:47 var kEasterString = "upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart"; Jul 01 21:59:55 var kEasterApp = { Jul 01 22:00:04 heh Jul 01 22:00:04 C:\Python26>python c:\asedeno-novaproxy\novaproxy.py Jul 01 22:00:04 novacomd couldn't find your Pre. Ensure it is plugged in and in Developer Mode, and try again. Jul 01 22:00:17 it's def plugged in and in dev mode. Jul 01 22:00:29 and you choose, just charge ? Jul 01 22:00:33 correct Jul 01 22:00:46 I see it in dev mgr as "Palm Pre USB Device" Jul 01 22:00:57 gives me the driver installed successfully popup message Jul 01 22:01:26 did you extract the nova package from the webos doctor ? Jul 01 22:02:05 I have that yes, but havent gotten that far I dont believe. used it to install the novacom driver. Jul 01 22:02:26 hmm Jul 01 22:02:29 yeah thats it, just making sure Jul 01 22:02:31 can someone help me with the wiki? Jul 01 22:03:00 i'm trying to remove something from the bottom of a page, but it won't allow me to set the cursor to stay in that spot for some resaon Jul 01 22:03:03 *reason Jul 01 22:03:58 never mind...it's working now Jul 01 22:06:53 as a 10-year IT guy, this is frustrating. lol Jul 01 22:07:06 nick, what isn't working Jul 01 22:07:12 bingo was his name-o? Jul 01 22:07:21 what app Jul 01 22:07:23 novacomd isnt finding the pre Jul 01 22:07:28 first time rooter Jul 01 22:07:29 :) Jul 01 22:07:41 oh...you still don't have it rooted? Jul 01 22:07:46 when did you get your pre? Jul 01 22:07:49 winxp ? Jul 01 22:08:05 and what is your OS? 32 or 64? Jul 01 22:08:09 vista 64, had it pretty much a day or two after launch Jul 01 22:08:16 aha Jul 01 22:08:28 i haven't heard of any success with vista 64 Jul 01 22:08:29 Im on 1.0.4 webos if that matters Jul 01 22:08:43 i don't think that will make much of a difference Jul 01 22:08:47 ok Jul 01 22:08:57 the problem is getting valid nova drivers in 64 bit Jul 01 22:09:11 vista64 - even with the 64 bit novacomm drivers, has been problematic. Jul 01 22:09:16 now, i used the 64 bit drivers included in the rom on win 7 64 bit Jul 01 22:09:30 and it works fine for me... Jul 01 22:09:38 interesting Jul 01 22:09:40 but i have not heard the same success story from anyone else Jul 01 22:09:50 ahhh Jul 01 22:09:56 brb firing up vmware :) Jul 01 22:10:00 but you have to HAVE the win7 64 bit dirvers. Jul 01 22:10:05 and without them..... :-( Jul 01 22:10:19 Hi, I enabled dynDNS and it works, it updates. but I cannot telnet into that IP Jul 01 22:10:24 i'm pretty sure i grabbed them right out of the rom, Rick Jul 01 22:10:37 what rom? Jul 01 22:10:44 webos Jul 01 22:10:49 from the webdoctor Jul 01 22:10:52 I'm on 1.04 and using ssh -p 222 myname@myip Jul 01 22:11:06 damn Jul 01 22:11:11 like i said i've been away for a couple weeks...but letme crack it open again and see if i see it Jul 01 22:11:12 but when plugged into the USB cable I can get in no problem. Strange Jul 01 22:11:15 launcher app has new page and delete page commented Jul 01 22:11:22 yes Jul 01 22:11:22 when un commented, still doesnt work Jul 01 22:11:28 uh Jul 01 22:11:32 it works for others... Jul 01 22:11:34 freetim did you open the port for the ppp0 connection? Jul 01 22:11:51 brb, searching for the 64 bit drivers Jul 01 22:12:00 Rick, let me double check that Jul 01 22:12:18 because by default,there's no connection through the evdo unless you went in and either modified the script, or did those steps by hand. Jul 01 22:12:56 it's the optional step 4 if you did dropbear. Jul 01 22:13:10 ok I did dropbear. Let me go back and look Jul 01 22:13:46 ah-hah I see it Jul 01 22:13:56 that1guynick Jul 01 22:13:56 A2NY: did you install the patch for the launcher app pages? Jul 01 22:13:59 yessir Jul 01 22:14:06 did you grab the msi file out of the resources folder? Jul 01 22:14:10 yes Jul 01 22:14:13 A2NY: or do it by hand? Jul 01 22:14:13 64 one Jul 01 22:14:21 do it by hand? Jul 01 22:14:24 we have a wiki on this ? Jul 01 22:14:27 yes Jul 01 22:14:27 NovacomInstaller_x64.msi? Jul 01 22:14:36 Larry: correct Jul 01 22:14:36 A2NY: and an automated patch Jul 01 22:14:48 try running it again, and rebooting your machine Jul 01 22:14:56 will do. brb. Jul 01 22:16:33 haha that is what i get Jul 01 22:18:31 you wanna know what is kinda funny? I was in spain for about a week and a half...and while iw as over there, I used an old school "dumbphone." I charged it once. I miss those battery lifespans Jul 01 22:18:37 Anyone here manage to get the pre working on verizon? Jul 01 22:18:59 Evel: please use efnet to discuss that. Jul 01 22:19:18 evel: not in this channel...not a good topic for here Jul 01 22:19:42 im not asking how, i just want to know if its a waste of time trying Jul 01 22:19:48 Evel, nah, man, don't wanna talk about that here. Jul 01 22:19:59 yes, it's a waste of time Jul 01 22:20:21 Getting VZW to activate it would be a bitch, so you'd have to change the ESN Jul 01 22:20:27 I'd agree with Sargun Jul 01 22:20:35 and the modem firmware isn't directly accessible to us (the modem is connected over USB) Jul 01 22:20:47 and there isn't enough information to do firmware mods to the mdoem. Jul 01 22:21:00 if you want to reverse engineer the modem, be my guest. Jul 01 22:21:09 pmmodemfactory looks pretty promising... Jul 01 22:21:22 Anyways, I think I've said too much Jul 01 22:21:27 and even if you do want to, we shouldn't discuss it here for the same reason we can't discuss tethering Jul 01 22:22:10 reverse tethering :D Jul 01 22:23:03 reverse tethering? Jul 01 22:23:53 on the topic of thethering... even if other carriers do offer tethering it will be build in with NAI and it would still take a work around to get it to go on sprint, so I doubt palm would want any talk about tethering even if other carriers offer it nativly Jul 01 22:24:17 Evel: you are probably correct. Jul 01 22:24:18 sometimes, you're somewhere with no wifi, crappy evdo, but your laptop has a wired internet connection. So you REVERSE tether the pre to the laptop via usb and the pre accesses the intertubes through the laptop's wired connection Jul 01 22:24:45 Evel: once there is an unlocked-out-of-the-box GSM Pre released, the policy will change. Jul 01 22:24:57 Rick: why not just set up an ad hoc wifi network? no workaround necessary Jul 01 22:25:15 no one walks around with wrt54s lol Jul 01 22:25:33 almost all computers both desktop and laptop have built in wifi now Jul 01 22:25:38 that's still reverse tethering. Jul 01 22:25:39 A2NY: openwrt runs of lots of devices ... Jul 01 22:26:02 but what if you don't WANT to run wifi.... Jul 01 22:26:15 although ad-hock wifi is good to let you roam away from the laptop. Jul 01 22:26:21 what's the point of accessing the net via a wired phone if you have a laptop right there? Jul 01 22:26:37 why should it? even an unlocked gsm pre would tether in a way the carriers find acceptable, with their knowledge any tether work around would be without the carriers knowing, it almost violates the nature of the device Jul 01 22:26:39 uh... because you can? Jul 01 22:26:42 lol Jul 01 22:26:58 speaking of...has there been usb progress in the last couple weeks? Jul 01 22:27:45 usbnet Jul 01 22:28:08 geez how long does it take nick to reboot his computer? Jul 01 22:30:22 I'm surprised we haven't seen any custom webdoctors out there...unless I have missed them Jul 01 22:30:29 i'll be honest, i haven't really looked Jul 01 22:30:46 too big to host, and too easy for a cease and desist Jul 01 22:31:18 was it? I forget how big it was i gues Jul 01 22:31:21 *guess Jul 01 22:31:47 orange key is numlock =\ Jul 01 22:31:49 but...i remember all the custom homebrew winmo builds...all hosted on rapidshare and torrents Jul 01 22:32:08 yes. If you push the orange key twice, it locks it to numbers. Jul 01 22:32:25 159M nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar.gz Jul 01 22:32:34 winmo builds are a little smalled Jul 01 22:32:37 emr smaller Jul 01 22:32:39 smalled? Jul 01 22:33:04 even so... Jul 01 22:33:16 anyway, probably the wrong channel to discuss, i was just saying I was surprised Jul 01 22:33:41 Yes. it probably is the wrong channel to discuss Jul 01 22:36:47 help with rooting my PRE Jul 01 22:36:57 nick: that took quite a while Jul 01 22:37:00 Anyone out there willing to help a newbie Jul 01 22:37:15 dracop, we all are...what is going wrong? Jul 01 22:37:27 I got distracted. Jul 01 22:37:29 :\ Jul 01 22:37:31 lol Jul 01 22:37:35 did you reboot? Jul 01 22:37:36 trying it now Jul 01 22:37:38 yea Jul 01 22:37:41 ok Jul 01 22:37:48 you rebooted AFTER the install, right? Jul 01 22:37:51 undid everything, reinstalled the msi then rebooted Jul 01 22:38:01 and you installed as administrator? Jul 01 22:38:02 LarrySteeze: a custom webdoctor would be illegal to redistribute, unless you reimplement all code from scratch Jul 01 22:38:12 Im an enterprise admin. Jul 01 22:38:16 Im admin by default ;) Jul 01 22:38:25 ...did he really just..reboot his whole computer? Jul 01 22:38:29 rwhitby: which is why I said this is probably not the right place to discuss it. Jul 01 22:39:09 ok...plugged in, windows says: USB Device Not Recognized. Jul 01 22:39:10 sloloem: yes. I didn't have to, but windows has done stranger things, so why not give it a shot. Jul 01 22:39:11 hmm Jul 01 22:39:16 was detecting it properly before Jul 01 22:39:25 disconnect and reconnect Jul 01 22:39:59 you shouldn't get that error... Jul 01 22:40:14 it shows up in dev mgr as Palm Pre USB Device Jul 01 22:40:18 so it's there Jul 01 22:40:28 Hmmm, possible parse error on my part... Jul 01 22:40:43 has anyone been able to use their phone with in usb/sync mode ? Jul 01 22:40:58 doesnt it kill the cell in sync mode? Jul 01 22:41:06 and usb* Jul 01 22:41:18 A2ny: I don't believe so Jul 01 22:41:20 nick: yes Jul 01 22:41:31 so you would have to change webos its self Jul 01 22:41:33 /sigh Jul 01 22:41:41 C:\Python26>python c:\asedeno-novaproxy\novaproxy.py Jul 01 22:41:41 novacomd couldn't find your Pre. Jul 01 22:41:49 huh Jul 01 22:42:00 tell you what Jul 01 22:42:09 send me the pre in the mail, i'll root it for you ;-) Jul 01 22:42:22 /bootinguplinuxvmf**kwindows Jul 01 22:42:28 eh Jul 01 22:42:43 did people get it working in lnx? Jul 01 22:43:03 when I had left, it was windows only Jul 01 22:43:08 I assumed over the wireless it would with ssh and what not Jul 01 22:43:18 wireless, sure Jul 01 22:43:21 i double clicked on the novaproxy.py file, then a window openned and closed immediatly Jul 01 22:43:22 usb, i don't believe so Jul 01 22:43:30 how can i fix this? Jul 01 22:43:56 dracopjs Jul 01 22:44:00 open it in cmd Jul 01 22:44:52 lol Jul 01 22:44:53 great Jul 01 22:45:04 ? Jul 01 22:45:23 my "iPred" is in recovery mode Jul 01 22:45:29 LOL Jul 01 22:45:36 rofl Jul 01 22:45:44 thats a great name Jul 01 22:45:51 did you rename it to that? Jul 01 22:45:55 i ran the script from /usr/lib/storaged Jul 01 22:46:06 yes ;) Jul 01 22:48:00 woot Jul 01 22:48:07 2 rows of a home task bar Jul 01 22:48:50 well Jul 01 22:48:58 ok larrysteeze you want me to opens windows command prompt? Jul 01 22:49:10 we should be able to get usb mode working while the phone is in use Jul 01 22:49:13 run the program from command prompt Jul 01 22:49:30 ok command prompt is open Jul 01 22:49:32 a2ny: I'm not so sure that it's not something built right into the kernel Jul 01 22:49:36 now i run python? Jul 01 22:49:41 or novaproxy? Jul 01 22:50:00 well, in usb mode, usbnet is still running i can send commands, etc... Jul 01 22:50:05 so I did steps 4+ on here: http://predev.wikidot.com/message-sound and now messaging won't start. any ideas? (i only did steps 4+ because I have the my notification app installed) Jul 01 22:50:08 example: this is what nick did C:\Python26>python c:\asedeno-novaproxy\novaproxy.py Jul 01 22:50:33 in medsync, it kills everything =\ Jul 01 22:50:57 but basically, run novaproxy Jul 01 22:54:03 nick Jul 01 22:54:06 are you still there? Jul 01 22:54:41 yea Jul 01 22:55:18 did you try doing it in wine? Jul 01 22:55:22 restoring a linux image. gonna tinker Jul 01 22:55:23 ha Jul 01 22:55:30 get outta my head Jul 01 22:55:30 Larry Steeze, it says invalid syntax, i coppied novaproxy to my c drive Jul 01 22:55:41 then did what you said to do. Jul 01 22:55:46 so, I have installed dropbear on my pre and setup sftp but I was wondering, what are the pros and cons of dropbear vs openssh? Jul 01 22:55:54 i think it has been tried, unsuccessfully...but hey Jul 01 22:57:05 aha Jul 01 22:57:06 nick Jul 01 22:57:11 i guess there is a linux way now Jul 01 22:57:17 i should have read the wiki Jul 01 22:57:22 I can edit the file in IDLE by right clicking on the icon, does that help? Jul 01 22:57:28 http://predev.wikidot.com/linux-rooting Jul 01 22:57:32 dracopjs: no Jul 01 22:57:39 kickass! Jul 01 22:57:39 dracopjs: what os are you using? Jul 01 22:57:44 brb Jul 01 22:57:47 Windows vista Jul 01 22:57:54 64 or 32? Jul 01 22:57:57 64 Jul 01 22:58:13 ok. you might be running into the same problem that Nick is Jul 01 22:58:31 did you run the 64 bit version of the novacom msi file? Jul 01 22:58:45 good question Jul 01 22:58:50 gimme a se Jul 01 22:58:51 sec Jul 01 22:58:56 the novaproxy.py cant find my Pre, is my main issue Jul 01 22:59:08 at least you didnt brick your device =\ Jul 01 22:59:18 who bricked their device? Jul 01 22:59:27 i have a permanent ipred now Jul 01 22:59:27 webosdoctor should fix any bricked device? Jul 01 22:59:31 yes it will Jul 01 22:59:36 but thats a hassle =\ Jul 01 22:59:37 brick, meaning you couldnt even restore it? Jul 01 22:59:46 foam brick Jul 01 22:59:55 lol Jul 01 23:00:05 that's technically what brick means, yes...but it's virtually impossible to brick the device on the software side Jul 01 23:00:14 you'd have to somehow completely kill the usb Jul 01 23:00:20 or eat it Jul 01 23:00:31 does this mean i have to reset my phone again? Jul 01 23:00:40 nah...i have the invisible shield on my pre. It can withstand stomach acid. Jul 01 23:00:47 dracopjs: no Jul 01 23:01:00 bbiab Jul 01 23:01:15 ok so im going to type the konomi code in my pre while usb connected, then reinstall the driver for the 64 bit version right? Jul 01 23:01:31 well Jul 01 23:01:45 tap the dev mode app that comes up, and kick the slider to ON Jul 01 23:01:45 the driver doesn't need to be installed while the pre is connected Jul 01 23:01:51 will bounce the device Jul 01 23:01:59 but make sure that you actually open the dev mode app and enable it Jul 01 23:02:14 oh, that could be causing my entire problem Jul 01 23:02:16 im an idiot Jul 01 23:02:18 once it's enabled, you don't need to enable it again Jul 01 23:02:20 well Jul 01 23:02:33 if you get it working with vista64, I'll be very interested to hear about it Jul 01 23:02:49 nick: i'm essentially running vista64 Jul 01 23:02:54 so, what are my options if i cant get it working with vista64 Jul 01 23:03:00 win7 is basically the same thing, with extra features Jul 01 23:03:06 linux Jul 01 23:03:13 so let's talk about what we're doing different? Jul 01 23:03:21 I didn't do anything strange Jul 01 23:03:22 ok larry its prompted me to reset my device, but that isnt necessary Jul 01 23:03:26 i just installed the driver Jul 01 23:03:39 dracopjs: it is necessary if you didn't have dev mode enabled before Jul 01 23:03:49 i was under the impression that you had enabled it Jul 01 23:04:14 i did, a few days ago Jul 01 23:04:30 then it shouldn't prompt you to reboot the device Jul 01 23:05:36 i did install the driver when i enabled it a few days ago, but now the pre says developer mode (off) underneath it says your device is in develper mode you may use palm mojo sdk tools to connect to the device Jul 01 23:06:00 holdon Jul 01 23:06:04 hmm...do you have something we don't?! Jul 01 23:06:05 lol Jul 01 23:06:20 nick: as far as vista is concerned...it's about 50 50 Jul 01 23:06:31 i'm the only person i know of that even has win7 64 Jul 01 23:06:43 lots of win7 32 Jul 01 23:06:47 I've got a VM of it that I've basically done the install on Jul 01 23:06:48 but not 64 Jul 01 23:06:54 but havent spent much time with it Jul 01 23:07:20 should i restart my computer? Jul 01 23:07:45 no Jul 01 23:07:57 ok so you have the dev mode app open, right? Jul 01 23:09:05 yes Jul 01 23:09:21 and is the slider on or off Jul 01 23:09:36 keyboard is out Jul 01 23:09:41 no Jul 01 23:09:47 the slider at the top Jul 01 23:09:50 off Jul 01 23:09:52 sorry Jul 01 23:09:53 right after "Developer Mode" Jul 01 23:09:57 turn it on Jul 01 23:10:06 and if it prompts you to reset the device, then reset it. Jul 01 23:10:11 its asking me to reset my device Jul 01 23:10:22 reset = just a reboot Jul 01 23:10:23 because that means that your dev mode was NOT enabled, it was disabled. Jul 01 23:10:25 not like a re-flash Jul 01 23:10:31 yes Jul 01 23:10:38 all it is doing it turning it off and turning it back on Jul 01 23:10:42 fear not the reset button. :) Jul 01 23:10:42 it'll take a couple minutes Jul 01 23:10:55 ok thanks(phew) Jul 01 23:11:24 this phone is outta control, there apps need alot of cleaning up Jul 01 23:11:26 big time Jul 01 23:11:41 plus the keyboard doesnt light up, thats bull Jul 01 23:11:47 sorry i didn't realize you didn't have step 1 done before you went on to step 2 Jul 01 23:11:58 eh Jul 01 23:12:00 i did this a few days ago Jul 01 23:12:01 my keyboard lights up Jul 01 23:12:25 if yours doesn't, you may want to bring it in to sprint before rooting it Jul 01 23:12:34 as rooting it voids the warranty Jul 01 23:12:44 oh maybe i messed that seetting, i reduced the overall glare settings maybe that did it Jul 01 23:12:57 really, how can they tell if its been rooted? Jul 01 23:13:19 brb guys Jul 01 23:13:21 ok the pre restarted Jul 01 23:13:34 i'm not sure that it's something that they look for or not, but it does void the warranty Jul 01 23:13:47 hmm. good to know Jul 01 23:13:53 ok so the palm has restarted Jul 01 23:14:01 whats the next step? Jul 01 23:14:11 http://predev.wikidot.com/using-novaproxy Jul 01 23:14:46 you installed the 64 driver? Jul 01 23:15:06 the sdk doesn't seem to work in win 7 64 bit Jul 01 23:15:14 it didnt ask this time Jul 01 23:16:02 after i help you get it rooted Dracopjs, I have to go Jul 01 23:16:17 k Jul 01 23:16:27 unless someone else becomes active Jul 01 23:16:40 ok Jul 01 23:16:50 so have you installed the 64 bit msi on windows? Jul 01 23:18:17 im looking right now Jul 01 23:20:30 it looks like it installed in the x86 the 32 bit folder Jul 01 23:20:50 you need the x64 version Jul 01 23:20:53 not the x86 Jul 01 23:21:01 how should i fix this? Jul 01 23:21:08 it's called NovacomInstaller_x64.msi Jul 01 23:21:11 delete the folder Jul 01 23:21:15 then try again? Jul 01 23:21:25 are you SURE you are running vista 64? Jul 01 23:21:27 because windows thinks it installed properly Jul 01 23:21:42 windows won't usually let a 32 bit driver install in 64 Jul 01 23:22:10 no im running 32 bit, Jul 01 23:22:15 im a fool again Jul 01 23:22:24 you told me you were running 64 Jul 01 23:22:24 your patience is appreciated Jul 01 23:22:40 because i have a 64 bit processer Jul 01 23:22:49 Dracopjs...i need to ask you a question Jul 01 23:22:51 athlon x2 Jul 01 23:22:54 sure Jul 01 23:23:06 when you get this rooted Jul 01 23:23:12 what are you going to do with it? Jul 01 23:23:14 camera ap Jul 01 23:23:29 what about the camera app Jul 01 23:23:46 camcorder Jul 01 23:23:58 and remove the nascar Jul 01 23:24:39 *sigh* Jul 01 23:24:57 sorry for causing the confusion Jul 01 23:25:04 has anyone tried sideloading with the messaging app? Jul 01 23:25:54 gimme a second dracop Jul 01 23:26:00 i need to try something Jul 01 23:26:01 sure Jul 01 23:27:18 anyone figure out how to set default calendar view to monthly? Jul 01 23:31:18 LarrySteeze: back when ipk via email worked I tried SMS Jul 01 23:31:23 it didn't work Jul 01 23:31:50 ah Jul 01 23:32:00 i just tried it Jul 01 23:32:13 all it did was create an endless loop of web cards Jul 01 23:35:14 ok Jul 01 23:35:18 what was wrong again dracopjs? Jul 01 23:35:35 when i double click on the novaproxy nothing happens Jul 01 23:35:41 oh yeah Jul 01 23:35:46 a cmd window opens then closes Jul 01 23:35:46 and you are running x86 Jul 01 23:35:48 yeah Jul 01 23:35:58 and you are now in dev mode, which you were not before Jul 01 23:36:14 yeah we waited for the pre to restart Jul 01 23:36:15 you may have been at one time, but you were not earlier Jul 01 23:36:24 ok Jul 01 23:36:35 mine was staying open and giving me an error about not being able to find my Pre Jul 01 23:36:36 you have the pre plugged in via usb? Jul 01 23:36:41 but it didnt close the window Jul 01 23:36:44 yeah Jul 01 23:36:55 nick aren't you doing it via linux now? Jul 01 23:37:16 i havent unplugged it yet Jul 01 23:37:18 dracopjs: did you open the py via cmd? Jul 01 23:37:42 i think i tried, walk me through that Jul 01 23:37:46 oh yea Jul 01 23:37:59 c:users......./python novaproxy.py Jul 01 23:38:01 right Jul 01 23:38:10 well Jul 01 23:38:14 we did that a few min ago Jul 01 23:38:17 where did you put the py file Jul 01 23:38:38 in two places, C: and C:usere/me/..../desktop/.... Jul 01 23:38:51 we are talking about novaproxy.py right? Jul 01 23:38:51 ok Jul 01 23:38:55 yes Jul 01 23:38:57 ok so Jul 01 23:39:00 wait Jul 01 23:39:06 everything in the zip Jul 01 23:39:17 no, its an icon on my desktop Jul 01 23:39:21 please give me the full file path of where you extracted the zip Jul 01 23:39:48 evening Jul 01 23:39:50 thats the thing at github, there was no zip file, just the py file Jul 01 23:39:54 evening Jul 01 23:40:01 c:\users\%userprofile%\Desktop\ Jul 01 23:40:14 it wouldnt let me click to download Jul 01 23:40:26 what did you download then ? Jul 01 23:40:38 also, I had difficulties unzipping the renamed file using the windows unzipper. Had to load up winrar and it went fine. Jul 01 23:40:57 (someone might want to not that in the wiki) Jul 01 23:40:57 what link do you guys go to to download novaproxy ? Jul 01 23:41:30 Dracopjs: what is up my friend ? Jul 01 23:41:34 http://github.com/asedeno/novaproxy/tree/master/ Jul 01 23:42:03 can someone change it to: http://github.com/asedeno/novaproxy/raw/master/novaproxy.py Jul 01 23:42:05 http://github.com/asedeno/novaproxy/tree/master/# Jul 01 23:42:16 that's the direct file you need .. no other shenanigans Jul 01 23:42:19 yeah, i'll change it Jul 01 23:43:01 ok I've gotta run. gonna mess with this more later and will check back in. Larry, bp, and others, thanks for the assists. Jul 01 23:43:36 should i try to download that zip again? Jul 01 23:43:55 actually, bpadalino, not a good idea Jul 01 23:44:04 because it may try to run the .py file in the browser. Jul 01 23:44:13 i am using aol Jul 01 23:45:22 browsers execute python ? Jul 01 23:45:42 after changing the link, i clicked on it Jul 01 23:45:49 it opened the py file as if it was text Jul 01 23:46:46 you can link to it and instruct to right-click and save file as ? Jul 01 23:47:10 but if i do that i have to change the instructions Jul 01 23:47:15 and Jul 01 23:47:21 hey larry and bp am i lost? Jul 01 23:47:27 i don't want to get yelled at :P Jul 01 23:47:36 Dracopjs: do you know where you are? :) Jul 01 23:47:47 dracopjs: yes Jul 01 23:47:48 larry, someone can always roll it back if they hate your changes Jul 01 23:48:17 dracopjs: how much experience do you have with software/development? Jul 01 23:49:00 very little, i took 2 courses in C++ object oriented programming Jul 01 23:49:04 college Jul 01 23:49:13 so you know some c? Jul 01 23:49:19 oh yea Jul 01 23:49:23 as long as you took even one course in c Jul 01 23:49:34 you should be following this man, come on, let's get this going Jul 01 23:49:44 i have faith in you Jul 01 23:49:53 yea i did rather well, i really enjoyed algorithmic problem solving Jul 01 23:49:57 Im a math major Jul 01 23:50:05 cool Jul 01 23:50:05 and you can't get this, huh ? Jul 01 23:50:07 interesting Jul 01 23:50:08 so you have the py file somewhere on your system Jul 01 23:50:18 hold on Jul 01 23:50:33 i do for sure, in two places, my desktop and my c: harddrive Jul 01 23:50:35 ok Jul 01 23:50:36 so Jul 01 23:50:42 in command prompt Jul 01 23:50:46 ook Jul 01 23:50:54 type "cd C:\" without the quotes Jul 01 23:51:09 done Jul 01 23:51:44 now type "python novaproxy.py" Jul 01 23:52:28 python is not a recognized as an internal command.... Jul 01 23:52:40 you installed python, right? Jul 01 23:52:43 yeah Jul 01 23:52:54 python command line Jul 01 23:52:56 you made sure to install python 2.6? Jul 01 23:53:20 yeah python 2.6 Jul 01 23:53:27 2.6.2 Jul 01 23:53:31 no Jul 01 23:53:35 oh Jul 01 23:53:36 2.6.0 Jul 01 23:53:38 oh Jul 01 23:53:44 both are ok i think Jul 01 23:53:51 ok Jul 01 23:53:59 i should uninstall 2.6.2 Jul 01 23:54:01 if bpadalino got it working then it should work Jul 01 23:54:01 ? Jul 01 23:54:07 i used my mac :( Jul 01 23:54:10 lol Jul 01 23:54:19 ok where did you install python? Jul 01 23:54:29 in windows control panel Jul 01 23:54:30 c:\python? Jul 01 23:54:38 can you double click on the .py file and see something happen ? Jul 01 23:54:39 sorry windows program files Jul 01 23:54:42 i've been using "c:\python26\python.exe novaproxy.py" Jul 01 23:55:09 are you sure it is in program files? Jul 01 23:55:14 hold on Jul 01 23:55:15 and not c:\python26? Jul 01 23:55:29 yeah its in c: Jul 01 23:55:40 is it as mike just typed it? Jul 01 23:56:19 C:\python26 Jul 01 23:56:28 thats where python is Jul 01 23:56:30 do me a favor and type "cd python26" and tell me what happens Jul 01 23:56:34 k Jul 01 23:56:42 in windows command or python command? Jul 01 23:56:49 you should be able to use the command i'm using Jul 01 23:57:04 windows command Jul 01 23:57:16 ok im in python26 Jul 01 23:57:20 mike: yes, he should, I just want to make sure he did it correctly Jul 01 23:57:25 type "dir" Jul 01 23:57:31 and tell me if you see python.exe Jul 01 23:57:39 yea i see it Jul 01 23:57:43 ok Jul 01 23:57:47 so type "cd .." Jul 01 23:58:02 and type what mike typed: "c:\python26\python.exe novaproxy.py" Jul 01 23:58:03 k Jul 01 23:58:09 k Jul 01 23:59:19 what happened Jul 01 23:59:25 file novaproxy.py....invalid syntax Jul 01 23:59:49 you moved novaproxy.py to c:\? Jul 01 23:59:54 yeah Jul 02 00:00:00 it's probably the html page Jul 02 00:00:16 yeah it says html page Jul 02 00:00:31 sounds bad Jul 02 00:00:34 get the raw file Jul 02 00:00:38 how so? Jul 02 00:00:42 it's best to run python scripts using python Jul 02 00:00:47 html doesn't work so hot :( Jul 02 00:01:17 *sigh* Jul 02 00:01:22 i have to go shower then eat some thai food .. bbl - sorry Jul 02 00:01:44 i'll try to get it raw, then should i type it all out in python? Jul 02 00:01:50 Hey is JackieRipper around? Jul 02 00:03:08 what a coinkydink Jul 02 00:03:16 I just sat down Jul 02 00:05:57 what web browser are you using? Jul 02 00:06:50 aol Jul 02 00:07:00 no Jul 02 00:07:03 web browser Jul 02 00:07:17 how would i find out? Jul 02 00:07:42 click on help Jul 02 00:07:49 it'll say "about...blah" Jul 02 00:07:59 I have a problem :( Jul 02 00:08:13 I'm creating a user account and when I entered my password, the two didn't match Jul 02 00:08:22 now I don't know how to get my password to change? Jul 02 00:08:39 xvalx? Jul 02 00:08:51 ? Jul 02 00:09:26 dracopjs, do you have your pre plugged in and set to just charge? Jul 02 00:09:35 it says aol revision 4327 Jul 02 00:09:36 yes Jul 02 00:10:04 anyone? how do I change my user account password? when I type in "adduser -h /var/home$MYUSER $MYUSER" I get "login 'commandercup' is in use" Jul 02 00:10:45 passwd yourusername Jul 02 00:10:50 commandercup: passwd commandercup Jul 02 00:10:56 ok thanks Jul 02 00:11:12 worked thanks! Jul 02 00:11:40 still cant get crond to run while the phone isnt charging/screen is off :/ Jul 02 00:11:48 ok hold on dracop i'm going to make this easier for you Jul 02 00:12:54 my computer recognizes palm novacom Jul 02 00:13:01 it can be disconnected via usb Jul 02 00:14:20 ok Jul 02 00:14:23 So, is anyone generating patches for the modifications on the wiki? Jul 02 00:14:23 dracopjs Jul 02 00:14:29 yes Jul 02 00:14:30 refresh the wikidot instruction page Jul 02 00:15:51 when I execute "ipkg-opt install sudo", I get "Nothing to be done/ An error occured, return value: 4./ Collected errors:/ Cannot find package sudo./ "Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update'" Jul 02 00:16:02 now its workign Jul 02 00:16:08 working thank you Jul 02 00:16:09 I accidentally did "ln -s /opt/bin/sudo /usr/local/bin/sudo" first Jul 02 00:16:21 I changed step number 8...you see that? Jul 02 00:16:38 yes you are the man Jul 02 00:16:51 commandercup: did you run ipkg-opt update ? Jul 02 00:16:56 yeah I did Jul 02 00:17:21 I accidentally did the two lines of code after "ipkg-opt install sudo" first Jul 02 00:17:41 am I still supposed to be in root@castle:/etc/profile.d ? Jul 02 00:18:00 yes Jul 02 00:18:15 eh, well I am Jul 02 00:18:16 and doing the symlinks first shouldn't break anything Jul 02 00:18:19 hmm Jul 02 00:18:42 commandercup: which wiki page says to "ln -s /opt/bin/sudo /usr/local/bin/sudo" ? Jul 02 00:18:50 http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting Jul 02 00:18:54 at the bottom Jul 02 00:19:09 dracopjs: are the rest of the steps working for you? Jul 02 00:19:13 header: "Enable a method for your new unprivilged user account to gain root priveleges" Jul 02 00:19:18 commandercup: does "ipkg-opt list" output a bunch of stuff? Jul 02 00:19:20 gah. who put that there. it is not required. Jul 02 00:19:31 eh Jul 02 00:19:39 well I still can't install sudo :( Jul 02 00:19:43 yes thanks again Jul 02 00:19:56 commandercup: ipkg-opt list | grep sudo Jul 02 00:19:56 i'll stick around until you get it rooted Jul 02 00:20:00 but then I need to go Jul 02 00:20:10 so let me know when you are fully rooted Jul 02 00:20:15 ok I did that Jul 02 00:20:26 new cmd line, I didn't get anything though Jul 02 00:20:44 commandercup: remove those symlinks to /usr/local/bin please Jul 02 00:20:58 commandercup: cat /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf Jul 02 00:21:36 rwhitby: I changed http://predev.wikidot.com/using-novaproxy a tad. If you hate my changes, feel free to revert it. Jul 02 00:21:56 LarrySteeze: why would I hate them? Jul 02 00:22:03 *shrug* Jul 02 00:22:14 it doesn't refer to github Jul 02 00:22:22 it links directly to the .py file Jul 02 00:22:32 because people were having problems getting the actual .py file to download Jul 02 00:22:47 ok Jul 02 00:22:53 I did it Jul 02 00:23:03 root@castle:/etc/profile.d# cat /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf Jul 02 00:23:03 src/gz native http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/native/unstable Jul 02 00:23:03 src/gz kernel http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable Jul 02 00:23:05 specifically step 8 Jul 02 00:23:30 what's it take to get voiced in here? lol Jul 02 00:24:32 commandercup: echo "src/gz cross http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable" >> /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf Jul 02 00:24:45 you're missing that line Jul 02 00:24:46 LarrySteeze: your bank account number, pin, social security number, birth date and place of birth Jul 02 00:24:56 oh easy Jul 02 00:24:59 should I type that in? Jul 02 00:25:03 do I have to change directories or something? Jul 02 00:25:08 ironically the answer to ALL of those questions is "42" Jul 02 00:25:22 then do ipkg-opt update Jul 02 00:25:26 then the sudo install Jul 02 00:25:27 ok Jul 02 00:25:27 LarrySteeze: http://predev.wikidot.com/webos-internals-irc-channel-policy has the answer. Jul 02 00:25:34 aha Jul 02 00:25:55 wooooo it's working! Jul 02 00:25:55 thank you Jul 02 00:26:02 w00t Jul 02 00:26:37 it's not important anyways, I was just curious...didn't see that particular wiki page Jul 02 00:26:40 *oops* Jul 02 00:27:24 LarrySteeze: that's one of the tests ... ;-) Jul 02 00:27:32 Can we talk about emulation here? Jul 02 00:27:33 *shrug* Jul 02 00:27:49 voice or not, it's not going to change what I do in the channel Jul 02 00:28:20 LarrySteeze: why would it? Jul 02 00:28:32 well, it shouldn't Jul 02 00:28:37 ultraBlack: that's a grey area at the moment. Jul 02 00:28:40 i'm just saying...it's ok if I don't have it :p Jul 02 00:29:06 ultraBlack: we do not condone redistribution of an illegally leaked SDK. Jul 02 00:29:24 like I said earlier though, I was out of the country for a week and a half...and i'm pretty sure that that wiki page wasn't there when I left...or at least not htat part Jul 02 00:30:05 LarrySteeze: it was created and linked in the /topic on 17 June. Jul 02 00:30:27 Aha! So right as I was leaving. Jul 02 00:30:39 *feels good about not being in the wrong...yet* Jul 02 00:31:00 ultraBlack: if it's a question about how to use the emulator, we prefer people ask that in #webos. if they are not comfortable discussing their use of the emulator there, then they should not be comfortable discussing it here either. Jul 02 00:31:24 rwhitby: what if it is a qemu question? Jul 02 00:31:32 LarrySteeze: completely on topic here. Jul 02 00:31:38 exactly Jul 02 00:32:05 i'm just saying...we don't know that his emu question is related to the sdk Jul 02 00:32:23 rwhitby: Will do Jul 02 00:33:21 dracopjs: what is your current status? Jul 02 00:34:37 how do I connect to my pre after I have installed dropbear? Jul 02 00:34:51 the wiki says "From a Windows desktop we recommend using PuTTY. Download and run putty.exe and follow the hel: Jul 02 00:34:55 follow the help* Jul 02 01:04:00 for spaz builds we installing using ipkg or ipkg-opt ? Jul 02 01:13:59 zodttd: yo Jul 02 01:20:46 what are the commands to make the pre read only and to allow you to write to it? Jul 02 01:21:01 oh nevermind Jul 02 01:21:02 got it Jul 02 01:26:36 rwhitby: pong Jul 02 01:29:50 drnull_: you didn't send me a message on gitorious did you? Jul 02 01:30:06 hrm, I don't think so? Jul 02 01:30:26 not even sure how I would do that. Jul 02 01:31:42 drnull_: ok, thanks - must be someone else. Jul 02 01:35:36 Robi: That's what I've been using to install the beta spaz builds Jul 02 01:36:27 which? Jul 02 01:39:09 bclancy: there was a choice :P ipkg OR ipkg-opt, which? Jul 02 01:40:46 I'm using ipkg-opt. Since this app is also in the app catalog (earlier version) you could probably use either. (The conventional wisedome for "homebrew" apps is to use ipkg-opt.) Jul 02 01:41:34 bclancy: hmm - dunno. for optware, it's ipkg-opt, but if someone wants to simulate an installation the same way that you install a real app, then ipkg may or may not be better. Jul 02 01:42:12 Robi_: it'd be good to test out both and see what works on either (e.g. easy app removal, etc) Jul 02 01:42:27 i was hoping that was a known variable Jul 02 01:42:39 rwhitby: you could be right - I'll email Ed and ask him. ipkg-opt has been working for me. Jul 02 01:44:29 bclancy: when you do the next upgrade do you just isntall or does it upgrade somehow Jul 02 01:45:21 you can just do another install and it will upgrade it - It will even remember your twitter account from before Jul 02 01:45:55 what happens to the real spaz app Jul 02 01:48:41 I had asked Ed that question in email earlier, he said it would still upgrade - (I never had zpaz installed from the app store before starting beta testing - I've done 3 beta installs so far, and they seem to preserve things just fine Jul 02 01:49:24 the version will just be updated - (Ie: you are ahead of the curve with the betas) Jul 02 01:49:27 wow even though the official app uses ipkg Jul 02 01:49:38 bclancy: are the betas avalible to the public? Jul 02 01:51:03 invite only, but yeah just ping funkatron when he gets in Jul 02 01:51:15 helfire: funkatron (Ed Finklet) posted a message in this IRC asking for beta testers - I'm sure he won't mind having more testers Jul 02 01:51:57 cool, thanks. any features worth mentioning in the beta? Jul 02 01:52:00 Robi_: maybe you should hold off until I see if Ed answers this in email Jul 02 01:52:15 i'm patient Jul 02 01:53:30 helfire: he's working with some resizing options, he's talking about being able to post photos but I haven't looked at or figured out if that's in there yet Jul 02 01:54:08 resizing the text in the tweets (for people with older eyeballs like me) Jul 02 01:54:20 how does one RT with spaz? Jul 02 01:54:44 cool, twitpic (or similar) is a feature needed on the pre Jul 02 01:54:50 there's a button to retweet Jul 02 01:55:03 halfire: agreed Jul 02 01:55:04 not from the main list Jul 02 01:55:13 i take it u gotta open it first Jul 02 01:55:37 click on a tweet, then I think it's there (maybe just in the betas, IDK) Jul 02 01:55:50 ya hard to know.. Jul 02 01:57:49 Robi_: Ed does not know whether to use ipkg or ipkg-opt. He installs from the SDK. I'd go with rwhitby's advice and use ipkg (rather than ipkg-opt) - that will give us test coverage from both forms Jul 02 01:58:46 I'd assume that the SDK install uses ipkg underneath. Jul 02 01:59:04 ditto Jul 02 01:59:14 no root req Jul 02 02:00:23 Begin installation of com.funkatron.app.spaz Jul 02 02:00:23 Installing com.funkatron.app.spaz (0.4.16) to root... Jul 02 02:00:40 no wonder it doesn't matter.. it's always in the same com...tree Jul 02 02:00:57 can you copy paste into putty somehow? Jul 02 02:01:09 right click Jul 02 02:01:24 right click Jul 02 02:01:27 k ty Jul 02 02:01:39 select with left to copy Jul 02 02:01:52 ugh lag Jul 02 02:02:12 still says 0.4.8 Jul 02 02:03:00 hmm it seems the pre doesnt like a lot of heat. Jul 02 02:03:49 helfire: I sent an email to funkatron mentioning you're interested in beta testing - I'm hoping he might sign into this channel and post instructions on how to join the list Jul 02 02:03:52 i had mine sitting in my car when i worked on it earlier this evening. it got to hot and kept rebooting. now the lower right side of the screen doesnt accept my touches Jul 02 02:04:08 i cant remember where the calibrate function was. anyone remember? Jul 02 02:04:12 bclancy: thanks Jul 02 02:04:14 bclancy: i just installed it with ipkg. had to reload luna, and it did not remember my account info Jul 02 02:04:59 Robi_ please email Ed about the specifics if you will Jul 02 02:12:38 well, i definately need to email ed, i just tried to openspaz that just updated from the app catalog and i get a white card. errors in /var/log/messages... Jul 02 02:12:54 i am on his beta list but have not installed any of the test versions' Jul 02 02:17:27 moo Jul 02 02:18:10 JackieRipper: sorry about before I had to respond to network outage, are you still around? Jul 02 02:18:13 *random barn animal noise* Jul 02 02:18:19 yes Jul 02 02:18:26 meow Jul 02 02:18:55 funkatron: bclancy tells me your the spaz dev Jul 02 02:19:00 hey, I'm wondering about your messaging mod, do you feel comfortable with it now? Jul 02 02:19:02 that's a damn lie Jul 02 02:19:16 he's known to be a liar Jul 02 02:19:18 oh, okay, I admit it Jul 02 02:21:12 funkatron: i just emailed you the errors from /var/log/messages i got when spaz .4.11 opened a blank card Jul 02 02:21:14 funkatron: while your here, helfire is interested in whatever photo sending options you have in 0.4..15 and 0.4.16 Jul 02 02:21:23 well emailed to the address that sent me the announcement Jul 02 02:21:26 xvalx: as of tonight, I do Jul 02 02:21:34 pullingj: oh, that would be handy Jul 02 02:21:45 I think I finally figured out why it wasn't playing the sound with the screen off Jul 02 02:21:57 funky spaz install Jul 02 02:22:03 all of my testing so far this evening has been positive Jul 02 02:22:08 JackieRipper: cool, I'm going to give it a whirl. I'll let you know if I have any issues. Jul 02 02:22:08 helfire: email to spaz@funkatron.com to get on the beta tester list Jul 02 02:22:13 i do have root access, and some hacks installed, but none that should affect that i don't think. Jul 02 02:22:24 xvalx: just make sure you make backups :) Jul 02 02:22:46 JackieRipper: Thanks for your work on it, it's my biggest gripe about the pre. Jul 02 02:22:58 ok, brb real life :) Jul 02 02:23:09 I'm working on sms forwarding now Jul 02 02:23:25 that'd be cool Jul 02 02:23:33 it looks really simple, but who knows? Jul 02 02:23:39 first test is right now Jul 02 02:23:50 what are we breaking now ? Jul 02 02:24:38 JackieRipper: I haven't been following what you've been doing - let me know if/when you need a tester - Bob Jul 02 02:24:54 pullingj: this is helpful, thank you Jul 02 02:25:26 bclancy: basically, separating the sound played on an incoming message from the rest of the alerts/notifications Jul 02 02:25:46 so the "new test" sound is different than the "charging" sound Jul 02 02:25:49 funkatron: no problem. let me know if you need anything else Jul 02 02:25:55 er, "new teXt" Jul 02 02:26:21 JackieRipper: OK Jul 02 02:27:07 funkatron: this happened with app catalog downloads only i haven't installed any of the test versions yet. I was actually about to try the one you just sent out and was verifying whether it remembered my settings before i did. Jul 02 02:27:12 right Jul 02 02:27:24 I'm trying to recreate on my end and maybe solve this finally Jul 02 02:27:39 oh, others have had this issue? Jul 02 02:27:40 cool, i recommend installing with ipkg-opt Jul 02 02:27:58 funkatron: was there a retweet option in 0.4.8 ? Jul 02 02:28:08 Robi_: yes Jul 02 02:28:11 like i said let me know ifyou need anything else or need me to try something on my install Jul 02 02:28:30 then i am silly for expecting it to work like seesmic Jul 02 02:29:12 bclancy: I'd love another tester: http://predev.wikidot.com/message-sound Jul 02 02:29:13 funkatron: a great idea may be to have a menu pop up when you click and hold on the image of the tweeter offering options.. Jul 02 02:29:26 reducing the need to click in then back out Jul 02 02:29:37 could you file that on spaz.tenderapp.com? Jul 02 02:35:15 that was odd, got a phone call while spazing Jul 02 02:36:19 can we control the speed of gestures/swipes Jul 02 02:36:30 funkatron: what am I doing there? Jul 02 02:36:48 just add something in Mobile Suggestions Jul 02 02:37:27 JackieRipper: that so needs to be quilted Jul 02 02:37:40 Robi, in time Jul 02 02:37:42 :) Jul 02 02:39:34 funkatron: wow what a nice site for this sort of thing Jul 02 02:41:11 anyone else disable sounds, play a media file and get sound? Jul 02 02:43:20 Robi_: it's totally cool Jul 02 02:44:30 tenderapp heh Jul 02 02:44:39 * Robi_ makes a note Jul 02 02:45:01 nice Jul 02 02:45:30 i'm out everyone, cya probably not much this weekend, independance day and all, night Jul 02 02:46:05 later Jul 02 02:52:35 question about the wiki on adding and deleting pages in the launcher Jul 02 02:52:44 go for it Jul 02 02:53:20 JackieRipper: on the message sound mod, does it still show the banner when you have unread texts? Jul 02 02:53:49 I just did the instructions on deleting the */ and \* in muiltiple spots but at the end of the wiki It says I could download the patch for this Jul 02 02:53:57 I'm not familiar on what to do with the patch Jul 02 02:54:02 or should I just not bother Jul 02 02:54:11 xvalx: yes, it works exactly like the un-modded app, but plays the specified sound rather than the default Jul 02 02:54:14 I didn't save and quit my changes yet Jul 02 02:54:24 JackieRipper: cool, thanks Jul 02 02:54:40 if you already mod the file, just save and quit Jul 02 02:57:01 will do Jul 02 02:57:31 pkill LunaSysMgr #when you are done **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 02 02:59:57 2009