**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 03 02:59:57 2009 Jul 03 03:02:58 so that's three people using quilt successfully now: drnull, opie_ and SirWill Jul 03 03:03:43 well the install patch part. I'll try my hand at creating a patch after I get the rest of stuff figured out here. Jul 03 03:05:08 you have instructions written yet? I have a few hacks i did from the wiki (add launcher pages, time stamps in messaging, call duration timer, etc) and a few i've done on my own. but i saved all the original files i messed with Jul 03 03:09:20 pullingj: http://predev.wikidot.com/applying-patches Jul 03 03:12:56 Well that was fun. Was in the middle of installing the msysgit and my laptop just decided to power off Jul 03 03:16:17 bah what the hell, I'll try my hand with quilt Jul 03 03:18:05 rwhitby: looks simple enough i'll give it a shot later (probably tomorrow) Jul 03 03:18:23 :)) Jul 03 03:18:35 quilting lives! Jul 03 03:18:57 Robi_: oh yeah, I forgot you in the list - that makes 4. Jul 03 03:19:23 eno: seigex was reporting a native gcc problem on the pre Jul 03 03:19:32 what list? Jul 03 03:20:10 robi the list of those who have implemented quilt Jul 03 03:20:31 ah yes Jul 03 03:21:01 where is this list? Jul 03 03:21:14 in rwhitby's head Jul 03 03:21:24 and in the logs of this channel now :-) Jul 03 03:22:55 http://nathanj.github.com/gitguide/tour.html is a good guide for git on windows using pageant. Jul 03 03:23:18 ant! Jul 03 03:23:53 Robi_: you want ant in optware? Jul 03 03:24:15 uh no not really. Jul 03 03:24:31 make sure there's a good reason Jul 03 03:25:11 Robi_: for the shell command service Makefile I was too lazy to learn ant and just used javac and jar directly. Jul 03 03:25:49 I got a 404 on the git ipk, is it down? Jul 03 03:25:52 for first time implementation, that's to be expected Jul 03 03:26:15 now that there's a way to push/pull most of the dev can be done off device Jul 03 03:26:55 Eguy: ipkg-opt update Jul 03 03:27:13 yup /me smacks forehead Jul 03 03:27:27 time to plug in and redo quilt.. Jul 03 03:28:06 hah i still haven't installd 1.0.4 Jul 03 03:29:38 rwhitby: can you expand on cs08q1armel? cs08_q1_arm_el ? Jul 03 03:31:21 code sourcery, 2008, Q1, armel Jul 03 03:31:42 armel? Jul 03 03:32:04 http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/browser/trunk/platforms/toolchain-cs08q1armel.mk Jul 03 03:32:10 little endian arm Jul 03 03:32:19 sh Jul 03 03:32:21 ah Jul 03 03:32:43 haha, so would big endian be bemra? Jul 03 03:33:03 heh Jul 03 03:33:04 amusing Jul 03 03:33:13 http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm Jul 03 03:33:31 at least for 11:30, yah Jul 03 03:33:46 indee Jul 03 03:33:47 d Jul 03 03:34:25 so when's 09q1 coming Jul 03 03:34:30 http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/release323 is the specific toolchain that optware uses for the Pre Jul 03 03:34:56 Robi_: when palm updates. optware always tries to match the vendor toolchain config. Jul 03 03:36:57 rwhitby: do you know anything about v8/d8? http://code.google.com/p/v8/ That was the javascript debugger mentioned earlier today Jul 03 03:37:34 drnull: only that V8 is used in the Google Browser too Jul 03 03:37:48 drnull: ah, was it you that I heard the debugger from? Jul 03 03:37:58 hey all... quick question about "synergy..." Does the pre connect to palm's servers as a proxy to access google contacts, facebook, etc? Or is the pre actually accessing Jul 03 03:37:59 I mentioned seeing it in the emulator Jul 03 03:38:24 I loaded it up, and put in a breakpoint, but didn't experiment any more than that. Jul 03 03:38:34 rwhitby: just read some backlog, seems seigex last said gcc works again after reinstall, anything after that? Jul 03 03:38:35 wth, uh it's upgrading on its ow Jul 03 03:38:37 n Jul 03 03:38:40 ... all that directly? Jul 03 03:38:47 eno: ah, no, I must have missed that. Jul 03 03:39:11 branded: watch what it's doing with a transparent proxy or tcpdump :-) Jul 03 03:39:22 oh yea, linux :) Jul 03 03:39:25 ipkg-opt install tcpdump Jul 03 03:39:37 or tshark Jul 03 03:39:44 my goal is to find out if it's viable to control stuff, like limit the info synergy kindly imports, like the 1000 people i've ever written an email to Jul 03 03:40:23 branded: you can probably do an iptables redirect on the device to squid ... Jul 03 03:40:24 rwhitby: that explains why (when running the emulator), port 5858 is open on localhost and expects json strings Jul 03 03:40:34 who the hell wants that? it's such a frustrating... "what the hell were they thinking" "feature" Jul 03 03:40:49 run squid on the device? Jul 03 03:40:53 sure Jul 03 03:40:58 wowwy Jul 03 03:41:15 net eng here :D i know my squid... but on this thing :D Jul 03 03:41:30 branded: you've perused http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/ ? Jul 03 03:41:40 i need to dive in a bit more.. maybe some time this weekend Jul 03 03:42:03 hmm, this could be promissing... http://groups.google.com/group/v8-users/browse_thread/thread/15c42a901a63c539/6087393aeef914f5?lnk=gst&q=5858#6087393aeef914f5 Jul 03 03:42:03 branded: optware was developed on routers and NAS boxes, so lots of the packages you know will already be there for the Pre. Jul 03 03:42:07 rwhitby: nope... i don't even know what an ipk is :) Jul 03 03:42:14 might as well start kvm.. ;] Jul 03 03:42:16 if you mean to sniff and / or intercept the traffic, and much of it is SSL, as I suspect, you'll need a man in the middle, certificate signing, transparent proxy for best effect Jul 03 03:42:30 OK, I'm holding off on installing that git software. twice now while installing my computer overheated and just powered off. Probably because I had a flash app running in a browser that I forgot about. Jul 03 03:42:31 branded: you want http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting then Jul 03 03:42:44 mitm kick ass! Jul 03 03:42:59 SirWill: you can run git on the Pre ... Jul 03 03:43:00 always worth remembering that modern smartphones are more powerful than the machines most major open source packages were originally designed for :-) Jul 03 03:43:05 well it will also have to be a trusted mitm since the pre does cert validation Jul 03 03:43:24 stunnel on the Pre will handle that Jul 03 03:43:48 wuzzit optware? :D Jul 03 03:44:12 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/HomePage Jul 03 03:44:24 well, iptables to stunnel to stunnel to remote would work, but I don't know about on the pre, trying to rewrite the only the initial outbound traffic and not your proxies outbound traffic would be difficult Jul 03 03:44:40 oh boy... i've got some learnin to do Jul 03 03:45:08 I think it's better to use another box as your router / mitm Jul 03 03:45:25 cryptcat could help too Jul 03 03:45:43 destinal: it might be 11:45 and i was up at 6, or you're actually blowing my mind a bit Jul 03 03:45:47 I've written some of this up Jul 03 03:45:52 sec Jul 03 03:45:58 cool Jul 03 03:46:01 thanks Jul 03 03:46:07 http://predev.wikidot.com/decrypt-ssl-traffic Jul 03 03:46:07 a net eng, but not a hacker ;) Jul 03 03:46:27 holy shit Jul 03 03:46:29 destinal: ip address aliases might help? Jul 03 03:46:38 (pardon if rule break with foul language) Jul 03 03:46:47 you all have been cooking Jul 03 03:46:59 branded: heh, no worries. this was my first big post Jul 03 03:47:01 branded: as long as it's not directed personally at someone else, we let it slide. Jul 03 03:47:17 right right Jul 03 03:47:25 sup everyone Jul 03 03:47:39 quilting Jul 03 03:47:45 ah... Jul 03 03:47:47 i'm making a lanyard Jul 03 03:47:48 interesting Jul 03 03:48:04 i am wondering where i put my pants Jul 03 03:48:05 then i'm off to knit some socksss Jul 03 03:48:15 or SOCKS Jul 03 03:48:16 lol Jul 03 03:48:53 cpuguy06: http://predev.wikidot.com/applying-patches Jul 03 03:49:03 rwhitby: got openvpn in optware? Jul 03 03:49:06 rwhitby: I'd probably do it with a range of ports in an iptables rule and a stunnel that would use them outbound, but I'm thinking Jul 03 03:49:09 jdub: yep Jul 03 03:49:17 rwhitby: why are you so intent that the MITM be on the pre? Jul 03 03:49:30 rwhitby: was just thinking that'd be a rad addition (particularly with sexy gui) Jul 03 03:49:50 destinal: so the carrier can't snoop your MITM traffic Jul 03 03:49:55 * jdub considers sexy webos gui for managing optware packages Jul 03 03:50:07 would anyone who has an as-yet unmodified messaging application like to test a message forward mod? I'd like to confirm it's working, and then I'll submit a patch Jul 03 03:50:14 rwhitby: oh, I always intended this to be done over wifi on one's own network Jul 03 03:50:28 destinal: but you want to be able to do this on the subway commute, right? Jul 03 03:50:37 heh, ok, fair enough :) Jul 03 03:51:19 ah cool Jul 03 03:51:32 jdub: dunno about the kernel module situation for openvpn, we have some kernel modules at http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable/ Jul 03 03:51:34 eh i'll do that later...too busy working with cleaner right now in an attempt to get this data working on alltel Jul 03 03:51:40 I think I'm going to have to come up with a bunch of enhancements to stunnel including openssl integration and outbound port range assignment to get what we need.. I keep coming up with more projects, alas :) Jul 03 03:52:17 *cleanser Jul 03 03:52:44 has anyone found if the browser can support proxy servers yet? Jul 03 03:52:59 not having to use a transparent proxy would make it much easier Jul 03 03:53:46 mm socat Jul 03 03:54:08 jdub: CONFIG_TUN=y in http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/browser/trunk/sources/kernel-modules/pre/defconfig Jul 03 03:55:09 Robi: looks like it may do what stunnel does but maybe more features, I'll have to check it out Jul 03 03:55:23 still browser proxy support would be nice Jul 03 03:56:05 ettercap too Jul 03 03:56:46 ettercap-ng too Jul 03 03:57:42 eno: does it have a built in CA for X509 cert gen? Jul 03 03:57:42 but no cryptcat Jul 03 03:58:00 sourceforge.net/projects/cryptcat/ Jul 03 03:58:03 destinal: i'm not sure Jul 03 03:59:04 lots of tools, none of them quite right for the job Jul 03 03:59:46 ^ doing job interviews in economic downturn? ;-) Jul 03 03:59:52 lol Jul 03 04:01:22 nc 1.x.x.x 23 < commands.txt >results.txt Jul 03 04:01:27 http://predev.wikidot.com/optware-cross-compilation so you can add your own package Jul 03 04:01:29 beauty with routers Jul 03 04:04:10 hah farm9 went to trustwave Jul 03 04:05:15 I have to admit I know trustwave but not farm9 Jul 03 04:05:26 oldskool Jul 03 04:05:59 they did cryptcat Jul 03 04:06:07 among many other tools Jul 03 04:09:27 sslwrap Jul 03 04:09:50 no rc5pipe but that's ok Jul 03 04:13:26 " * If everything worked correctly, the patch should now be applied. You will usually need to reboot the Pre to see the effect of patches to applications. Jul 03 04:13:29 reboot Jul 03 04:13:29 " Jul 03 04:13:43 is that realy necessary? Jul 03 04:13:49 +lk Jul 03 04:13:51 -k Jul 03 04:14:20 Robi_: dunno. Jul 03 04:14:46 it may depend on whether the app has been loaded since boot or not ? Jul 03 04:14:56 i'll take killall luna instead Jul 03 04:15:15 yep, that'd be better. Jul 03 04:15:27 or the nice service commands Jul 03 04:15:41 is there an "initctl stop ... ; initctl start ..." which will do the job? Jul 03 04:15:47 initctl stop LunaSysMgr && initctl start LunaSysMgr Jul 03 04:15:50 or a luna-send? Jul 03 04:16:02 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Jul 03 04:16:21 yeah, rescan usually works for patches Jul 03 04:16:39 hey Robi_: you try out the email landscape mode ? Jul 03 04:16:48 that won't change the code used will it? I thought that only worked for making it see new apps? Jul 03 04:17:09 i don't know what it does Jul 03 04:17:33 anyway, you guys feel free to figure out what works and update the page. I just went with the sledge hammer default :-) Jul 03 04:17:44 rescan will update the code used for /var programs, I know that for a fact. I'm pretty sure it works for /usr programs. It seems like some other stuff (html?) gets cached harder sometimes. Jul 03 04:18:04 opie_: i think i have, but now that i've update to 1.0.4, it's all gone Jul 03 04:18:24 reboot is guaranteed to work, so if people don't know better, they can do that. :) Jul 03 04:18:56 * rwhitby bbl Jul 03 04:19:05 ohh, i just made a patch for it, just curious if you had tried it with quilt Jul 03 04:21:02 opie_: i tried it before, it was ok.. but not all that useful as emails pan just fine Jul 03 04:21:52 emails on the pre are more for emergencies or info only [for me] Jul 03 04:22:07 still want a terminal/ssh app Jul 03 04:22:16 and on screen keyb Jul 03 04:23:02 yo... sorry... Jul 03 04:23:11 I get git not found when I try to git clone git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications.git weird? Jul 03 04:23:12 so no one has capped synergy? Jul 03 04:23:57 destinal: maybe we should make some wikis of various caps? Jul 03 04:24:17 the most "intense" and purposeful capping i've done for reverse engineering was for last.fm Jul 03 04:24:37 worked with a few guys for this: http://code.google.com/p/thelastripper/wiki/LastFM12UnofficialDocumentation Jul 03 04:27:07 nice Jul 03 04:27:47 branded: http://predev.wikidot.com/update-service-trace Jul 03 04:27:59 eguy, I did a wget on the url to the ipkg for git, then installed it locally from where I downloaded it, ran fine after Jul 03 04:28:05 why woudl you do "find /opt/src/modifications -name *.patch Jul 03 04:28:11 " when an ls would suffice Jul 03 04:29:09 Robi_: could be multiple directories deep Jul 03 04:29:19 branded: last ripper or la stripper? ;) Jul 03 04:29:34 ls -R |grep .patch Jul 03 04:29:52 doesn't matter , more than one way to skin that cat Jul 03 04:30:38 always forget about the ubiquitous "-R" flag Jul 03 04:31:02 heh you should see the stuff i came up with to watch vmware ESX snapshots comit Jul 03 04:31:49 ..and to make it somewhat easy to remember: watch 'ls -tough --full-time *.vmdk' Jul 03 04:32:07 where is the ipk for git? Jul 03 04:32:14 the o is optional Jul 03 04:32:40 ipkg-opt install quilt git util-linux-ng Jul 03 04:33:22 whoa lots of upgrades from when i did this last.. nice rwhitby/eno Jul 03 04:33:50 package git suggests installing git-manpages Jul 03 04:33:53 thats nice Jul 03 04:33:58 hmm didn't work still git not found Jul 03 04:34:11 have you fixed your paths ? Jul 03 04:34:57 # echo $PATH Jul 03 04:34:57 /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/games:/opt/bin:~/bin:. Jul 03 04:35:14 need :/opt/bin Jul 03 04:35:18 Yup, I am pretty sure. I am trying to clone the dir Jul 03 04:35:36 cd /opt/src Jul 03 04:35:36 git clone git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications.git returns git not found Jul 03 04:36:03 Quick stupid question. Have root access with putty. How do I get to the js files to edit them? Jul 03 04:36:15 cd to the dir and use vi to edit. Jul 03 04:36:22 ahhh Jul 03 04:36:27 thanks Jul 03 04:36:34 np Jul 03 04:37:05 rwhitby: we can optimize the import of all patches with: find /opt/src/modifications -name *.patch | quilt import Jul 03 04:38:02 now a different error (just ran ipkg-opt update) root@castle:/opt/bin# ipkg-opt install http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware Jul 03 04:38:02 /cs05q1armel/cross/stable/git_1.6.3.3-2_arm.ipk Jul 03 04:38:02 Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs05q1armel/cross/stable/git_1.6.3.3-2_arm.ipk Jul 03 04:38:02 Installing git (1.6.3.3-2) to root... Jul 03 04:38:02 Nothing to be done Jul 03 04:38:03 Successfully terminated. Jul 03 04:38:05 Collected errors: Jul 03 04:38:07 Package git md5sum mismatch. Either the ipkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'ipkg update'. Jul 03 04:38:09 root@castle:/opt/bin# Jul 03 04:38:20 Wups sorry about all those messages. Jul 03 04:38:41 Woo, optware rocks. I install vim and life is SOO much nicer Jul 03 04:38:47 correction: find /opt/src/modifications -name *.patch | xargs quilt import Jul 03 04:39:03 Eguy: should be cs08q1armel feed Jul 03 04:39:20 you just need to type "ipkg-opt install git" Jul 03 04:39:52 md5sum of git.ipk in a different feed sure is different Jul 03 04:39:56 Package git (1.6.3.3-2) installed in root is up to date. Jul 03 04:39:57 hehe and it still doesn't work Jul 03 04:40:08 huh. Jul 03 04:40:18 root@castle:/opt/bin# cd /opt/src Jul 03 04:40:18 root@castle:/opt/src# git clone git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modification Jul 03 04:40:18 s.git Jul 03 04:40:18 /bin/sh: git: not found Jul 03 04:40:50 Eguy: what's your PATH? Jul 03 04:41:04 opt/src Jul 03 04:41:11 that's not right Jul 03 04:41:27 Someone should change the wiki then Jul 03 04:41:44 which wiki page are you following? Jul 03 04:41:50 http://predev.wikidot.com/applying-patches Jul 03 04:42:35 No file to patch. Skipping patch. Jul 03 04:42:36 1 out of 1 hunk ignored Jul 03 04:42:37 Patch patches/prompt-for-ipk-installation.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) Jul 03 04:42:46 that one's borked Jul 03 04:42:59 it worked from opt/bin which I figured. Jul 03 04:43:18 Ok, my Pre is ready to use patches :D Jul 03 04:43:48 Eguy: your PATH setting is not right, you did not follow http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting Jul 03 04:45:05 might of been from old directions Jul 03 04:45:19 should I start over? Jul 03 04:46:10 Applying patch patches/prompt-for-ipk-installation.patch Jul 03 04:46:10 can't find file to patch at input line 20 Jul 03 04:48:05 where'd rod go Jul 03 04:48:33 afk I think. Jul 03 04:50:52 * rwhitby is back Jul 03 04:51:15 /opt/src/modifications/email/prompt-for-ipk-installation.patch Jul 03 04:51:18 = bad Jul 03 04:51:29 any harm in rm -rf /opt? Jul 03 04:51:56 or do I have to ipkg-opt uninstall all the stuff I put on? Jul 03 04:51:58 do I need to do anything special once I exit putty on the pre? do i need to turn developers mode off or anything? Jul 03 04:52:07 only if you want Jul 03 04:52:34 what if I forgot to change the pre back to read only? that matter? Jul 03 04:52:48 I would go back in and change it. Jul 03 04:52:52 okay. Jul 03 04:52:57 thanks again Jul 03 04:53:26 np Jul 03 04:54:46 Robi_: regarding import of all patches, I initial thought people might only want to import the ones they want to apply. Jul 03 04:55:44 Robi_: yeah, looks like that prompt-for-ipk-installation.patch is borked. Jul 03 04:56:16 Eguy: /etc/profile.d/optware should put /opt/bin/ in your $PATH, so you can run git and quilt from anywhere. Jul 03 04:57:01 rwhitby: i know, they can still push individuals or as i put it in the wiki, import an individual one Jul 03 04:57:15 hi Jul 03 04:57:20 Robi_: quilt only pushes in order from the series file Jul 03 04:57:31 I don't think you can skip patches that you've imported. Jul 03 04:57:39 hence only import those that you want Jul 03 04:58:02 I got : /bin/sh: /etc/profile.d/optware: not found Jul 03 04:58:19 Eguy: why did you run that command? Jul 03 04:58:31 ya none of the others were pushed since the first one failed Jul 03 04:58:33 Eguy: step 10 of http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting Jul 03 04:59:07 Eguy: then every time you log in /etc/profile sources all files in /etc/profile.d/ automatically Jul 03 04:59:54 Oh ok, when I ran all this stuff before, it was on the first version of the wiki's instructions so most of the stuff is probably borked anyway. Jul 03 05:00:19 rwhitby, i can access usb without shutting down the device Jul 03 05:00:37 i havent tried media server, but its the same code Jul 03 05:00:50 Eguy: yeah, quite a bit has changed to make things easier. Jul 03 05:00:52 the problem is it remounts the file system /media/internal Jul 03 05:00:54 I am still getting root@castle:/opt/src# find /opt/src/modifications -name *.patch Jul 03 05:00:54 find: /opt/src/modifications: No such file or directory Jul 03 05:01:18 Eguy: you should only import the patches you want to apply anyway. Jul 03 05:01:18 and the pre no longer has access to it Jul 03 05:01:30 Eguy: you need to git clone before that directory will exist Jul 03 05:01:41 should i document this in the wiki, or leave it alone untill i figure it out ? Jul 03 05:02:04 re: [00:29] branded: last ripper or la stripper? ;) LA Stripper man Jul 03 05:02:13 :) Jul 03 05:02:19 lol Jul 03 05:02:20 i'm back and forth here Jul 03 05:02:37 A2NY_: I have no idea what you're talking about yet, so can't answer that. Jul 03 05:02:55 when you use usb mode Jul 03 05:03:01 it kills the radio Jul 03 05:03:12 puts up that png as a banner Jul 03 05:03:21 * rwhitby doesn't have a Pre ... Jul 03 05:03:25 ok, ok /n00b Jul 03 05:03:35 A2NY_: you mean USB mass storage mode? Jul 03 05:03:35 * A2NY_ thinks you should get one Jul 03 05:03:41 destinal, correct Jul 03 05:03:49 sorry for all this crap, it's been a long day on OS X Terminal :P Jul 03 05:03:50 A2NY_: Please send a GSM Pre to .au asap ... Jul 03 05:03:59 hm i cant delete a patch Jul 03 05:04:08 rwhitby, can i just send my love ? Jul 03 05:04:17 There is supposed to be details on the GSM Pre for the UK next week... Jul 03 05:04:29 A2NY_: depends on your gender and attractiveness ... Jul 03 05:04:37 A2NY_: so there's probably a reason mass storage mode disables things Jul 03 05:04:50 destinal, yes because the pre can no longer access it Jul 03 05:04:59 wallpaper, camera, etc no workie Jul 03 05:05:00 A2NY_: it has to unmount the disk, yes? Jul 03 05:05:05 Robi_: quit pop the patch, then delete it from /opt/src/patches/series Jul 03 05:05:21 quilt delete patches/prompt-for-ipk-installation.patch Jul 03 05:05:22 Removed patch patches/prompt-for-ipk-installation.patch Jul 03 05:05:24 right, the media dirs Jul 03 05:05:41 - /media/internal in our case Jul 03 05:06:29 correct Jul 03 05:06:31 so you could switch mounts or just leave it with an ro filesystem, but anything that tries to write there will be problematic Jul 03 05:06:58 i wish my pre wasnt dying because i left my usb micro at work... Jul 03 05:07:20 but if you check out /usr/lib/storagedd i beleive Jul 03 05:07:21 monoprice has em for less than a buck each :) Jul 03 05:07:33 i saw that link from the wiki ;) Jul 03 05:07:35 short ones but good to have around Jul 03 05:07:42 i was just going to pick up some stones tomorrpw Jul 03 05:07:51 but if you run diskmode.sh on Jul 03 05:07:54 or off Jul 03 05:08:04 it mounts the usb Jul 03 05:08:15 A2NY_: so you don't have the stones to charge your phone yet? Jul 03 05:08:24 nah Jul 03 05:08:43 A2NY_: aha Jul 03 05:08:51 diskmode.sh? Jul 03 05:09:02 Eh? no patches in series? root@castle:/# find /opt/src/modifications/musicplayer/bookmark.patch | quilt import Jul 03 05:09:20 Robi_: you need to run quilt from /, otherwise the paths won't be right. Jul 03 05:09:20 I'd definitely make a wiki page beginning to document how disk mode works and just fill it out as you learn more Jul 03 05:09:59 bar-app js controls it Jul 03 05:10:00 Eguy: just quilt import /opt/src/modifications/musicplayer/bookmark.patch Jul 03 05:10:24 shuts down screen/input and accelerometer for some reason too Jul 03 05:10:25 ah ok, thanks Jul 03 05:10:48 Worked! Jul 03 05:11:41 Eguy: just quilt import the ones you want, one at a time. I've updated the wiki. Jul 03 05:11:58 nebula! Jul 03 05:12:02 yo Jul 03 05:14:18 hey neb Jul 03 05:15:38 Got it Rob. Bookmark patched worked like a charm. Jul 03 05:16:16 hrm can only apply 1 patch at a time Jul 03 05:16:50 When I have more time I might make a patch of my own. Jul 03 05:18:38 Robi_: I believe you can push and pop [num|patch] Jul 03 05:18:45 quilt push -h Jul 03 05:19:13 it's a stack, you can't reoder unless you pop -a and hand-modify the series file then reapply Jul 03 05:19:26 rwhitby: haven't had a chance to learn to quilt yet. how well does it work so far? Jul 03 05:20:02 destinal: I'd used it before a bit, so I'm not the best to ask. Robi_, SirWill, Eguy, drnull will know better. Jul 03 05:20:56 Worked great for me after I straightened out my directories. Very quick. Jul 03 05:21:15 and you can just push, update, pop, just like that? Jul 03 05:21:33 Yup. Jul 03 05:21:36 coooool Jul 03 05:21:47 The joy of webOS :D Jul 03 05:22:46 destinal: probably "quilt pop -a ; OTA update ; git pull ; quilt import ... ; quilt push -a" if the patch needs to change from one webOS version to the next. Jul 03 05:22:57 for me that eliminates the last real issue with customizing first / second party apps -- webos will really be about the easiest OS to customize Jul 03 05:23:57 I can't wait until the App Catalog reaches 100, I think webOS has major potential just all the bad press of hardware defects and Apple in general take away some of Palm's glory. Jul 03 05:24:03 mojo apps anyway Jul 03 05:24:41 even the browser appears to be a mojo app with a plugin Jul 03 05:25:00 the web browser app I mean Jul 03 05:25:09 as opposed to THE browser Jul 03 05:26:00 Which is webkit.... Jul 03 05:26:23 right Jul 03 05:26:57 it's just odd to think of what we've traditionally thought of as a browser just living inside the real browser. matrix-ish Jul 03 05:26:58 :) Jul 03 05:28:27 blue pill Jul 03 05:28:34 *nods* Jul 03 05:28:39 And Palm is using Webkit which is Apple LOL. Jul 03 05:29:15 take the red pill, and there ya go Jul 03 05:29:19 well webkit is in turn based on Konqueror. The wheel turns Jul 03 05:29:58 That checkerboard is annoying... Jul 03 05:32:18 bzhou * r10408 optware/trunk/ (Makefile make/cryptcat.mk): cryptcat: crypt netcat, added & promoted Jul 03 05:32:18 bzhou * r10409 optware/trunk/ (Makefile make/rc5pipe.mk): rc5pipe: a small unix utility that will decrypt everthing from stdin to stdout using the algorithm RC5-32/12/16. Added & promoted Jul 03 05:32:39 branded-away, destinal: ^^ Jul 03 05:33:16 I was with someone who had an iPod Touch today and the app lag was even worse than the Pre's... I had a bit of a chuckle inside... Jul 03 05:34:27 i have a iPREd when i run it in media sync mode ;) Jul 03 05:34:45 things finally work right Jul 03 05:36:25 rwhitby: oh, cool. Jul 03 05:36:25 welcome CIA-26 Jul 03 05:36:46 not necessarily useful for SSL but I can think of some good uses Jul 03 05:36:48 (CIA-26 will report optware commits into this channel from now on) Jul 03 05:37:35 there are times when you just want to netcat stuff securely Jul 03 05:37:48 (CIA-26 comes from http://cia.vc/stats/project/nslu2-linux) Jul 03 05:38:07 welcome CIA-26 Jul 03 05:38:20 A2NY_: heh, welcoming a bot? Jul 03 05:38:28 lol Jul 03 05:38:39 white russians xD Jul 03 05:38:43 they do a number on me Jul 03 05:39:02 well it's probably good to ingratiate yourself now with our soon-to-be robotic overlords Jul 03 05:39:13 yay! Jul 03 05:39:24 speaking of matrix. Jul 03 05:39:36 i dodge bullets too Jul 03 05:39:42 Has anyone used the rough cuts news app? Jul 03 05:43:44 too much to copy and paste :) Jul 03 05:43:49 bzhou * r10410 optware/trunk/make/gambit-c.mk: gambit-c: 4.4.3 -> 4.4.4 Jul 03 05:43:51 copypasta! Jul 03 05:45:14 haha, it works great except it dosen't show the fav.ico Jul 03 05:46:48 wdup nebula Jul 03 05:47:09 Eguy: so come up with a patch :) Jul 03 05:47:20 ...i got to say, the cpu scale script is night and day. Jul 03 05:47:34 oc80z: is it stable-ish? Jul 03 05:47:41 so far so great :D Jul 03 05:48:08 keeps the cpu at a lower freq. when not in use. interesting too. Jul 03 05:48:31 can it save my battery till the morning ? Jul 03 05:48:43 oc80z: so it improves performance when needed and increases battery life? Jul 03 05:48:48 i don tknow about that. have you updated yet? Jul 03 05:48:55 1.0.4 ? Jul 03 05:49:09 yea Jul 03 05:49:41 yes Jul 03 05:50:47 amidoinitrong =\ Jul 03 05:51:29 :D destinal Jul 03 05:52:05 heh Jul 03 05:52:13 whats wrong with your batter Jul 03 05:52:22 Does the Pre even support .ico's? Jul 03 05:52:35 Eguy is that a windows thing? Jul 03 05:52:38 i forgot the usb micro at work Jul 03 05:52:40 Hello all Jul 03 05:52:45 hi Jul 03 05:52:50 i am going to buy some stones tomorrow ;) Jul 03 05:53:13 Yup, windows ico but websites use ico's for the favorite icons thus rss feeds use the same. Jul 03 05:53:21 so i have to make my batt last till tomorrow Jul 03 05:53:34 I wish monoprice sold touchstones LOL. Jul 03 05:53:56 Eguy: there'll be chinese knockoffs eventually :) Jul 03 05:54:09 * M3phiStO is AFK, ZzZZzzZZzzzZzzzzz —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— Jul 03 05:54:14 hehe. Jul 03 05:54:16 ill spend the money Jul 03 05:54:24 ill support palm ;) Jul 03 05:54:33 Amazon is 37.99 but it is still out of stock. Jul 03 05:54:33 me too :P Jul 03 05:54:47 it's just induction, not rocket science. though their feet / adhesion thing is pretty cool, eh? Jul 03 05:54:53 wait. 37.99 for what? Jul 03 05:55:01 A stone. Jul 03 05:55:05 gecko feet! Jul 03 05:55:11 mmmm keystone Jul 03 05:55:14 i love the stones Jul 03 05:55:26 Even kidney stones? Jul 03 05:55:27 I am going to buy the touchstone kit from palmprecentral Jul 03 05:55:45 They are out of stock as well. Jul 03 05:56:13 nooo keystones Jul 03 05:56:15 =\ Jul 03 05:56:27 http://store.precentral.net/palm-touchstone-charging-kit-dockback-cover/5A100A5628.htm Jul 03 05:56:50 bestbuy tomorrow xD Jul 03 05:57:15 bzhou * r10411 optware/trunk/make/firedrill-httptunnel.mk: firedrill-httptunnel: 1.3.1 -> 1.3.2 Jul 03 05:57:20 that the best price ? Jul 03 05:57:40 id like two stones Jul 03 05:57:54 look in your pants :P Jul 03 05:58:08 Heh Jul 03 05:58:13 those are bolders!!! Jul 03 05:58:13 ebay. Jul 03 05:58:21 i hope bestbuy goes under. Jul 03 05:58:31 Can anyone please help a n00b? Jul 03 05:58:34 they just need NewEgg stores. Jul 03 05:58:39 Xerran, tell us you love us Jul 03 05:58:42 Xerran we dont help n00bs, only noobs. Jul 03 05:58:44 and we will help you Jul 03 05:58:48 heh Jul 03 05:58:52 I love you all. Jul 03 05:58:54 whats wrong anyways, the WIKI is the best. Jul 03 05:59:26 global search add ons Jul 03 05:59:31 Xerran, ok whats up how can we assist you Jul 03 05:59:45 Xerran: simply state which wiki page you're following, what you've done so far, what you are doing now, what you expected to happen, and what did happen. Jul 03 05:59:54 http://predev.wikidot.com/global-search-addons Jul 03 06:00:21 oh nice Jul 03 06:00:28 i suck at linux Jul 03 06:00:34 do you run mirc? i wrote a nice script to make your own css/js/ Jul 03 06:00:34 learn. Jul 03 06:00:49 pidgin Jul 03 06:00:55 oc80z, ill script you Jul 03 06:01:24 Xerran: we have a linux help page at http://predev.wikidot.com/basic-linux-use Jul 03 06:01:27 Heh Jul 03 06:01:35 you must learn. Jul 03 06:01:37 I basically want to add WolframAlpha to global search Jul 03 06:01:58 Xerran, where are you stuck Jul 03 06:02:06 you need to edit a file right? Jul 03 06:02:10 vi! Jul 03 06:02:16 after... mount -o remount,rw / Jul 03 06:02:18 elvis it up. Jul 03 06:02:24 wait... Jul 03 06:02:29 you are at 1 Jul 03 06:02:39 :| Jul 03 06:02:40 HEH Jul 03 06:02:55 wiki should have line numbers IMO Jul 03 06:03:00 not find this code Jul 03 06:03:02 Xerran: the page I just linked to shows how to edit a file Jul 03 06:03:33 ok Jul 03 06:04:05 http://pastebin.ca/1482709 Jul 03 06:04:06 off to bed - gn all Jul 03 06:04:18 good night Jul 03 06:04:19 destinal, sleep tight dont let the bug beds bite Jul 03 06:04:49 I created youtube, m.break.com search addons Jul 03 06:04:56 cool Jul 03 06:05:02 oc80z: oh, that script is nice. Jul 03 06:05:14 yope :D Jul 03 06:06:09 I can't wait to see pidgin and voip on my pre Jul 03 06:06:25 pidgin? Jul 03 06:06:35 eek. Jul 03 06:06:36 multi-protocol chat Jul 03 06:06:41 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pidgin.im%2F&ei=6Z9NStjdOYKXtgfI6dWgBA&usg=AFQjCNEN3hlVu1i-Sp_uP0r2JLip986AGQ Jul 03 06:06:42 yeah the old gAIM Jul 03 06:06:46 oops Jul 03 06:06:52 http://www.pidgin.im/ Jul 03 06:07:20 i will be surprised if there is a facebook chat addon Jul 03 06:07:31 i think the only phone that supports it is the n97?? or n95?? Jul 03 06:07:52 u can prolly do it from http://facebook not x.facebook Jul 03 06:07:55 right>? Jul 03 06:08:01 Skype let me down. They said they are going to wait and see Jul 03 06:08:16 did amazon ever get their stock of stones in? Jul 03 06:09:04 keystones? Jul 03 06:09:30 rwhitby should we use that script in the wiki? Jul 03 06:09:46 *shrug* Jul 03 06:09:56 out of stock Jul 03 06:10:10 oc80z do it!!! Jul 03 06:10:53 while you are at it i have some RSSI images you can add also ;) Jul 03 06:11:30 oc80z: wanna put it in the git repo? Jul 03 06:11:41 wget <> ; sh <> ... Jul 03 06:12:51 ouch amazon prices are inflated now Jul 03 06:12:54 so has anyone tried any torrents? Jul 03 06:14:32 A2NY_: there's a few in optware Jul 03 06:14:43 yeah i saw Jul 03 06:14:51 i was just wondering if we need codecs, etc... Jul 03 06:16:39 * rwhitby bbl Jul 03 06:16:42 rwhitby yeah Jul 03 06:17:05 oc80z: /msg me your gitorious username when you're ready Jul 03 06:17:18 * A2NY_ thinks that sounds gay Jul 03 06:23:09 longest pause in irc history with 156 users Jul 03 06:23:29 lol Jul 03 06:23:44 ;) Jul 03 06:23:49 someone's lonely Jul 03 06:23:59 she is at work =\ Jul 03 06:24:29 Robi_, you want to see some boobs? Jul 03 06:24:38 sure Jul 03 06:24:48 can i mms them ? Jul 03 06:24:51 i have some fun ones here too Jul 03 06:24:54 how do i foward messages ? Jul 03 06:25:02 email Jul 03 06:25:21 speaking of codecs, what kind of voice codecs are available? Jul 03 06:25:30 voice codecs for what? Jul 03 06:25:33 exchange wont setup my email because my server cert is old xD Jul 03 06:25:33 SIP Jul 03 06:25:34 not encryption? Jul 03 06:25:44 client Jul 03 06:25:52 oh Jul 03 06:26:28 so that's three app ideas (last.fm client, synergy modifier, SIP client), too bad i'm not a dev :D gotta start somehwere Jul 03 06:27:02 Gentlemen. Jul 03 06:27:03 Good night. Jul 03 06:28:32 i cant even bypass it Jul 03 06:28:34 xD Jul 03 06:32:15 Xerran ask in the chan Jul 03 06:32:17 im wicked busy Jul 03 06:32:24 ok Jul 03 06:32:30 thank you Jul 03 06:33:34 Who is the chan? Jul 03 06:34:42 welcome to irc.. Jul 03 06:36:57 @oc80z +1 on the bb fail and newegg stores comment Jul 03 06:37:06 sry, I have been afk... Jul 03 06:59:40 rwhitby: http://www.coolcomputing.com/article.php?sid=2872 <- ooer! Jul 03 07:01:02 hmm... D-Link routers have been powered by Linux for a while.... Jul 03 07:01:20 Xerran by in the chan he means here, in the channel. Just ask everyone, not some specific person Jul 03 07:02:05 Eguy: it's a very worthy successor to the wondrously hackable wrt54gl and nslu2 Jul 03 07:12:57 Shit... I might have screwed up my pre pretty bad :( Jul 03 07:13:19 I was all excited to start hacking into my new one and didnt make backups of the files, and I was trying to add a few more search engines Jul 03 07:13:23 * Snake__ growls Jul 03 07:13:24 bet that webdoctor will cure what ails it. Jul 03 07:13:29 im sure it will Jul 03 07:13:33 but thats a last resort Jul 03 07:13:33 :P Jul 03 07:13:40 you could probably extract the image and grab the file too Jul 03 07:13:55 yeah that would work Jul 03 07:14:19 was webdoc supposed to be accessible by users? Jul 03 07:14:23 just out of curiosity? Jul 03 07:14:59 yep Jul 03 07:15:30 Why would they release their whole OS to the world like that?? Jul 03 07:15:55 they obviously want us to hack it Jul 03 07:17:51 well, that and shit can happen... and it would suck to have to take your phone in to sprint every time an update went bad... Jul 03 07:18:46 Snake__? Jul 03 07:19:01 u still there? Jul 03 07:19:32 yeah sup Jul 03 07:19:47 * Snake__ thinks he found the problem Jul 03 07:19:57 do u like the idea the software/os is open to the public Jul 03 07:19:58 I might have missed a closing bracket, funny how that works Jul 03 07:20:16 oc80z: from a hacker standpoint? Hell yeah, from a legit dev standpoint? Ehhhh.. Jul 03 07:20:29 AH HA! IT LIVES!!!! Jul 03 07:20:36 I was missing a }; Jul 03 07:21:05 dev dollars is all about the cloud Jul 03 07:21:23 Trying to root my pre. Got the ipkg-opt package to download ok. but subseqent wget commands give me a bad address error. I'm not in USB mode and successful wget was followed with errors in same session. Any suggestions? Jul 03 07:21:53 hi bassrat, and welcome Jul 03 07:22:10 bassrat: smells like network connectivity problems. can you ping anything from the Pre? Jul 03 07:22:28 l Jul 03 07:22:31 i think its legitamit. Jul 03 07:22:46 Look at the overall growth of Linux Jul 03 07:23:39 ...just saying, we have access to any other persons code , and can also edit that for our needs. Jul 03 07:23:53 let Jul 03 07:24:00 one sec testing Jul 03 07:24:18 open is the best. heh. Jul 03 07:25:25 LOL sorry for laughing but always make backups :P Jul 03 07:25:25 especially on weeeeed maaaan Jul 03 07:26:46 I for the life of me couldn't figure out why my amazon was off center until I found the cheeky people at Palm hid it a few lines below with an off center command Jul 03 07:27:34 Eguy: is THAT why?? Jul 03 07:27:48 Eguy: I was actually working on that issue at the moment haha Jul 03 07:27:59 * Snake__ digs back into the css Jul 03 07:28:09 haha yup Jul 03 07:28:25 I had uber OCD about it. Jul 03 07:28:44 bassrat: do you know how Lisa B's interview with the NYT went a couple of weeks ago? She never got back to me about how it went ... Jul 03 07:28:55 same :) Jul 03 07:29:42 float: left Jul 03 07:29:44 ...bastards Jul 03 07:29:57 haha Jul 03 07:30:09 I think she interviewed all of us, but no word from NYT yet. Jul 03 07:30:22 My universal search is too long for the screen. Jul 03 07:30:28 I should delete twitter. Jul 03 07:30:31 Eguy: does it auto scroll or no? Jul 03 07:30:34 was not pinging. play arround and now pinging, going to try again. Jul 03 07:30:36 apparently not Jul 03 07:31:14 yay amazon=centered Jul 03 07:31:26 Isn't it nice when things work? Jul 03 07:31:36 mhm Jul 03 07:31:57 Man I love *editing* the Pre :D Jul 03 07:32:21 Stool Softener $15.99 Jul 03 07:32:28 yeah, seems to be working again. Jul 03 07:32:30 thanks. Jul 03 07:32:49 bassrat: np, btw, how have the camps been going? Jul 03 07:33:57 Eguy: does your screen scroll or no?? I just added some random text and it seems to scroll on mine.. Jul 03 07:34:00 not sure about the divs though Jul 03 07:34:07 My airave stopped working :( Now my Pre is worthless again at home unless I turn the roaming hack on. Jul 03 07:34:21 Yeah it scrolls Jul 03 07:34:30 we had meeting yesterday and will start really pushing things. I will launch a website next week related to podcasts and teaching materials for pDC. Jul 03 07:34:49 oh kk Jul 03 07:34:57 As soon as its live I'll make announcements everywhere. Jul 03 07:35:12 bassrat: any feedback from palm about the webos-internals activities? Jul 03 07:36:36 no, but I haven't asked anything directly except the install via email issue, no direct response to the question, but I guess we all got an indirect answer with 1.04 ;-) Jul 03 07:37:45 bassrat: thx Jul 03 07:38:11 Eguy: so no problems with quilt? Jul 03 07:38:18 I will "feel" things out more next week. Jul 03 07:38:42 bassrat: I'll be interested in what you see/hear. Jul 03 07:41:39 Nope Rob. Working great here. I would like to get a patch for the "Roam only" option, I will take a look at the wiki on how to make a patch Jul 03 07:42:49 I have it on my Pre already but I think it will help a lot of people :D Jul 03 07:43:41 I wish palm included an extra cable with the touchstone Jul 03 07:43:50 its annoying unplugging everything to move data :( Jul 03 07:44:10 I think it is insane that they didn't Jul 03 07:44:17 Eguy: my pre has issues when I remove twitter, not sure why Jul 03 07:44:26 you can get cables dirt cheap on monoprice. Jul 03 07:45:20 Snake__: I believe the twitter entry has a different line terminator to the rest Jul 03 07:45:35 check the last character on each line Jul 03 07:45:52 Yeah I assumed it was something like that, just didnt look at it hard enough Jul 03 07:46:00 ill double check when its done rebooting Jul 03 07:46:08 Irealyl dont need a twitter search hehe Jul 03 07:48:13 Oh yeah it has a ; Jul 03 07:48:24 and a comma in another place Jul 03 07:48:38 Eguy: in what file?? Jul 03 07:49:26 global-search-assistant.js Jul 03 07:49:37 cheap cable here: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5139&seq=1&format=2 Jul 03 07:49:53 Eguy: I know the comma is there, I dont se the ;... Jul 03 07:50:32 $('twitter').removeClassName('selected'); Jul 03 07:51:21 all of them have that in my file Jul 03 07:51:22 haha Jul 03 07:52:49 couldnt I just remove twitter from the divs and be done? Jul 03 07:53:00 Snake__: please update the wiki page to highlight this issue Jul 03 07:53:13 the expanded-searches-div.html file Jul 03 07:53:37 rwhitby: It seems to be my own stupidity, since Eguy has apparently figured it out Jul 03 07:53:41 :P Jul 03 07:53:46 http://predev.wikidot.com/global-search-addons Jul 03 07:53:58 Even on there, I dont see any reason why removing twitter would mess things up Jul 03 07:54:25 rwhitby: I'm also not authorized to edit the wiki Jul 03 07:56:26 Yeah, try it but make sure you do a backup first Jul 03 07:58:15 finally...my bandwidth is back to repectable numbers Jul 03 07:58:24 respectable* Jul 03 07:59:19 freaking isp workers chopped a line this afternoon and wrecked my internet :( *sigh clueless tech workers... Jul 03 08:01:47 Who is the owner of the wiki? Jul 03 08:05:10 im trying to understand the bypass activation part of the wiki Jul 03 08:05:22 where it says 105a107,108 Jul 03 08:05:38 that means add those lines after 105 right? Jul 03 08:08:26 Meh im going to bed Jul 03 08:08:27 night Jul 03 08:09:42 uhhhhh.. actually first Jul 03 08:09:45 Eguy: you still around? Jul 03 08:10:18 OhhhhhhhhhHHHhhhh nevermind, the airave isnt 3g isn it.. Jul 03 08:12:27 yeah Jul 03 08:12:30 oh Jul 03 08:12:30 lol Jul 03 08:12:51 http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/03/sprint-swaggers-promises-to-be-first-to-release-3g-femtocell-in/ Jul 03 08:12:53 I will be going to sleep soon though, too much webos talk for one night :P Jul 03 08:13:02 Eguy: I was trying to figure out what they were bragging about Jul 03 08:13:07 then the 3G thing clicked Jul 03 08:14:00 Airave + 3g basically Jul 03 08:14:09 Yeah gotcha Jul 03 08:14:13 k now I sleep Jul 03 08:14:14 night Jul 03 08:14:19 my airave won't work after my internet went out today...stupid thing Jul 03 08:14:28 take it easy Jul 03 08:31:07 hey, forgive me if this is a dumb question, but how do I untar stuff? whenever I try I get 'tar: invalid tar magic' Jul 03 08:32:15 I've gone through and rooted and such...done a few things Jul 03 08:32:22 was just trying some linux native stuff Jul 03 08:32:25 or attempting to Jul 03 08:34:16 subhuman: if the file has a z on the end, try the -z flag to tar Jul 03 08:35:43 root@castle:/var/home/root# tar xvzf irssi-0.8.13.tar.gz Jul 03 08:35:44 tar: invalid tar magic Jul 03 08:36:21 I should probably go to bed and just start again in the morning. Jul 03 08:38:05 tar -xvzf irssi-0.8.13.tar.gz Jul 03 08:38:25 tar -xvz irssi-0.8.13.tar.gz Jul 03 08:39:55 I do the xvz and it seems to just hang Jul 03 08:40:02 I don't think I'm being impatient Jul 03 08:40:34 how big is the tar? Jul 03 08:41:09 very small Jul 03 08:41:11 1351528 Jul 2 23:00 irssi-0.8.13.tar.gz Jul 03 08:41:48 is there a way you can get just the .tar file? I don't remember if the Pre does not like tar.gz files Jul 03 08:42:00 it seems that it doesn't Jul 03 08:42:06 yeah, I can just make it myself Jul 03 08:42:12 I guess I'll try that Jul 03 08:51:22 Pre is fine with .tar.gz files Jul 03 08:51:32 tar xvzf ... is correct for that file. Jul 03 08:51:42 the error message means that the file is corrupt. download it again. Jul 03 08:52:11 make sure you're not downloading a html file - sometimes you need to click through a link to get to the real file. Jul 03 08:52:23 BTW, you can "ipkg-opt install irssi" from optware Jul 03 08:53:27 yeah, SHOULD be able to Jul 03 08:53:44 I'm not terribly linux savvy and probably nessed something up along the line Jul 03 08:53:50 m Jul 03 08:54:19 beh Jul 03 08:54:22 ignore that Jul 03 08:54:38 thanks Jul 03 08:54:52 now to sleep. Jul 03 08:58:30 hey how do i get the emulator to run my app? Jul 03 08:58:45 drag the app to palm-install.bat Jul 03 08:58:54 where is that? Jul 03 08:58:57 im on mac Jul 03 08:59:25 oh crapola Jul 03 08:59:37 the mac doesn't have that Jul 03 08:59:40 ok i think i foud it Jul 03 08:59:42 yes it does Jul 03 09:00:08 mac hd> opt > current> etc> palm-install Jul 03 09:00:19 its an executable so i think it should do it... Jul 03 09:00:20 lets see Jul 03 09:00:58 ah yes Jul 03 09:01:01 good find Jul 03 09:01:06 I hid my opt folder Jul 03 09:01:50 err should be bin> palm-install Jul 03 09:02:10 oops Jul 03 09:02:11 yup Jul 03 09:02:16 how do i package as ipk Jul 03 09:03:49 http://predev.wikidot.com/installing-apps-without-rooting Jul 03 09:03:57 Thx again Eguy Jul 03 09:04:02 np Jul 03 09:04:06 Goodnight all Jul 03 09:04:20 Now time for me to sleep :) Jul 03 09:04:20 I have to hit the bed b4 the wife kills me :P Jul 03 09:15:13 how can i package an app into ipk? Jul 03 09:26:57 hello? Jul 03 10:12:05 what is com.palm.lunabus? Jul 03 10:59:54 do we :: need :: quilt though Jul 03 11:23:06 Hey, does dropbear use RSA ssh1 or ssh2? Jul 03 11:35:55 I just tested mine... it connected OK on both ssh-2 and ssh-1 Jul 03 11:37:48 What happens if I kill the process for powerd - anything? Or it just forgets to go to sleep, manage battery? Jul 03 11:38:10 tnx Jul 03 11:38:42 You're welcome Webizard Jul 03 11:41:12 I found the answer: The process respawns Jul 03 11:42:39 looks like not-managing-power isn't an option, unless I care to break the daemon itself. I might try on emulator (I don't have emulator though nor know where to get it) Jul 03 11:43:03 I'll just add the hack to add longer sleep times and I'll add 10,20,30,45 minutes Jul 03 12:40:39 freetim: re: do we need quilt.. no, you can manage applying/unapplying all the patch files yourself. quilt just simplifies the process. Jul 03 12:44:44 Am I unable to copy/paste commands from the wiki into putty? Jul 03 13:27:53 Yes Jul 03 13:28:11 control-c to copy into windows clipboard. Then in Putty, simply RIGHT clicking does paste. Jul 03 13:29:29 All: I'm going to create a Putty configuration page for the wiki. I'll name it Putty Jul 03 13:32:29 ok, I've created it and I hope to link to it from the DDNS for EV-DO page Jul 03 13:32:45 http://predev.wikidot.com/putty - reviews of the rough draft are welcome Jul 03 13:49:09 why the font change and window sizing? Jul 03 13:52:40 oh thanks for pointing that out. : ) I will clean it up after looking at some other pages. Jul 03 13:53:56 haha i meant in the putty settings Jul 03 13:54:36 not on the page itself Jul 03 13:55:57 just curious. ive always left the settings at default and never had a problem Jul 03 14:03:10 oh ok . I want to make sure folks are using a buffer - otherwise can probably omit that page and use the defaults Jul 03 14:03:37 Is the buffer 200 by default - - ? Jul 03 14:08:19 Woudl it be OK to leave it there and just mark it appropriately as Optional ? Jul 03 14:33:01 bzhou * r10412 optware/trunk/sources/kernel-modules/kirkwood/Makefile: sheevaplug kernel: 2.6.30 -> 2.6.30.1 Jul 03 15:12:00 http://www-jpc.physics.ox.ac.uk/aboutus_aboutus.html Jul 03 15:23:46 FYI palm bluetooth keyboard $10 with free shipping. This doesn't work now for the Pre, but at this price it makes a great target for hacking Jul 03 15:23:47 http://www.buy.com/prod/204318401.html Jul 03 15:25:25 I ordered one so I guess I'll be digging into bluetooth after all :) Jul 03 15:28:10 is there any specific way that I can apply the download patch or do I have to edit each of the files manually? Jul 03 15:28:13 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/blobs/raw/master/browser/enable-browser-downloads.patch Jul 03 15:28:40 subhuman: use patch? Jul 03 15:28:57 I'm fairly noobish, if it's as simple as that, I am unaware how =/ Jul 03 15:29:54 i dont know all the details, but it is essentially just "patch file.patch" or "patch file.diff" Jul 03 15:30:11 subhuman: you can install patch via "ipkg-opt patch" Jul 03 15:30:29 subhuman: there is a page on the wiki about it Jul 03 15:30:32 ohhh...I think I saw that walkthrough Jul 03 15:30:36 yeah, appreciate it Jul 03 15:30:52 http://predev.wikidot.com/applying-patches Jul 03 15:30:59 thanks Jul 03 15:31:26 looks like they use quilt to apply the patch. Jul 03 15:31:37 id just use what that page says Jul 03 15:31:48 * subhuman nods Jul 03 15:31:52 I already installed quilt and such Jul 03 15:32:21 I should probably wait more than 5 minutes after waking up to pick up where I left off Jul 03 15:34:30 lol Jul 03 15:34:49 subhuman: 10 minutes then? Jul 03 15:38:10 subhuman yeah, you want to use quilt for installing those patches. Jul 03 15:39:19 the quilt method allows you to remove patches before os upgrades, and then re-apply them after. Jul 03 15:43:26 subhuman: yeah, 10 minutes did it Jul 03 15:43:29 applied the patch. Jul 03 15:43:37 SirWill: cool. Jul 03 15:43:57 I think I need to reset my phone...I went through before I went to sleep and was manually editing that crap Jul 03 15:44:01 browser no longer loads pages Jul 03 15:44:11 whoops. Jul 03 16:42:06 ahh i was patching the manual way Jul 03 16:42:20 did anyone elses dyndns script die after 1.0.4 update? Jul 03 17:00:45 * Lurking_Grue drops a pin. Jul 03 17:20:01 Hi, I'm having a problem adding/deleting files using SFTP and am unable to chown/chmod the files to make them editable. Anyone have any ideas? Jul 03 17:20:22 edit them as root? Jul 03 17:20:30 sudo vi file.txt Jul 03 17:21:07 Well, I want to be able to put files on my pre, through sftp. Jul 03 17:21:25 The files are owned by root, and therefore I can't alter them Jul 03 17:21:50 I wanted to put my user in a group that could edit them, then give the group ownership of that folder Jul 03 17:21:59 when you sftp'd in did you remount the filesystem as rw? Jul 03 17:22:00 make sense? Jul 03 17:22:11 Yes Jul 03 17:22:43 I'm running under linux, so I'm using sshfs to get in Jul 03 17:22:57 sshfs is avalible for every platform Jul 03 17:23:02 LTPl4y3r: i had the same problem, i think, id recommend changing owner of /media/internal and then sftping files there and then moving them around Jul 03 17:23:18 gkatsev: That's exactly what I'm attempting o do Jul 03 17:23:28 But, it isn't working Jul 03 17:23:47 I just get operation not permitted Jul 03 17:23:53 as root Jul 03 17:24:02 LTPl4y3r: are you following the wiki page? Jul 03 17:25:00 gkatsev: I did, to set up access to SFTP Jul 03 17:25:37 gkatsev: I just found use-the-pre-as-wireless-storage-device Jul 03 17:25:49 gkatsev: I'll try that Jul 03 17:25:50 one sec, trying to find the page im referring Jul 03 17:26:15 yep, thats it, Jul 03 17:26:23 thx! Jul 03 17:26:46 you only need to add uid and gid to the /etc/fstab Jul 03 17:26:54 ok Jul 03 17:27:50 i should probably copy my public key to my pre... Jul 03 17:28:07 Is there a way to sftp into the emulator? my IP:222 is not working. Jul 03 17:28:46 Eguy: im not really sure, also, i believe that thats what #webos is for... Jul 03 17:28:49 Eguy: did you wake it up, and if you're using DynDNS you need to wait more than 1min for IP to update (60 sec is the TTL) Jul 03 17:29:27 Nope, no DynDNS. Jul 03 17:29:48 I probably should since the IP is just a generic localhost. Jul 03 17:31:57 I use putty to get SSH2 into the Pre over wifi and Dyndns. I don't know that much about the sftp, haven't used it yet, but there is a wiki for it Jul 03 17:32:06 working on a patch for quilt, just want to make sure it dosn't kill the phone :P Jul 03 17:32:49 Well th eemulator is a bit different than an actual Pre. Jul 03 17:34:19 Eguy: you'd need to root the emulator and install ipkg-opt and install ssh Jul 03 17:36:04 Btw, I <3 all you people who have been working on the pre dev wiki. Sincerely. Jul 03 17:36:14 ...I've done that. No need to root the emulator fyi. Jul 03 17:36:35 you got the ssh deamon running? Jul 03 17:36:51 yup Jul 03 17:37:07 STATUS:> [7/3/2009 10:35:07 AM] Connecting to SFTP server... x (ip = x)... Jul 03 17:37:07 ERROR:> [7/3/2009 10:35:28 AM] The connection failed due to an error or timeout. Jul 03 17:37:21 did you install dropbear or openssh Jul 03 17:37:34 and if you installed openssh did you install the sftp-server addition Jul 03 17:37:59 dropbear Jul 03 17:38:06 dropbear doesnt do sftp Jul 03 17:38:08 Eguy: dropbear doesn't support SFTP. you can SCP Jul 03 17:38:24 or install openssl-sftp or something like that Jul 03 17:38:29 Eguy: but not with winSCP, it doesn't seem to be compatible with the NAT that virtualbox uses Jul 03 17:38:37 Oh...no wonder... Jul 03 17:39:03 you can use pscp from the putty suite if you don't mind the command line Jul 03 17:39:14 Should I remove dropbear first? Jul 03 17:39:33 no, the dropbear the ships on the emu is what you want Jul 03 17:39:44 ya, or you could instal openssh on a different port Jul 03 17:39:49 they can both be running Jul 03 17:41:19 can someone point me a link to get the emulator (winXP) Jul 03 17:41:50 google.com Jul 03 17:41:52 Eguy: you don't have to install anything on the emu just download pscp to your workstation Jul 03 17:42:33 can winscp work in scp mode instead of sftp? then you could just do that Jul 03 17:43:01 then: pscp -scp -P 5522 root@localhost:/etc/hosts . Jul 03 17:43:09 for example Jul 03 17:43:29 helfire: it can but WinSCP is not compatible with VirtualBox's NAT so localhost:5522 won't work with it Jul 03 17:44:01 you'll get "connection refused" every time Jul 03 17:44:46 thats odd, it's an application so it really souldnt care about the network layer Jul 03 17:45:00 can you change the networking to bridged? Jul 03 17:45:31 helfire: WinSCP may be using a nonstandard API that's not hooked by VirtualBox's NAT subsystem Jul 03 17:45:33 Ok, that worked. How do I transfer a file to /opt/bin for example. Jul 03 17:45:47 helfire: not sure Jul 03 17:46:52 destinal: but it's just presented as another network to the host OS. I donno, dont have a windows machine to try it Jul 03 17:47:27 destinal: virtualbox has its own NAT port forwarding rules different from anything I've seen in vmware Jul 03 17:47:32 err helfire Jul 03 17:47:53 Yeah, you can bridge in virtualbox Jul 03 17:48:03 it may break the standard SDK tools Jul 03 17:48:12 to switch to bridging Jul 03 17:49:21 I need to get a quilt patch from my desktop to /opt/src/modifications on the emulator. How do you reckon? Jul 03 17:50:00 pscp -scp -P 5522 whatever.patch root@localhost:/opt/src/modifications Jul 03 17:51:27 Aha! ty. Jul 03 17:52:14 you could, and I know this seems silly, winscp from another machine, maybe even another VM bridge d on the same network, so long as it's outside the same OS the NAT rules are running on what API is used shouldn't matter Jul 03 17:53:01 I'm guessing, anyway Jul 03 17:53:28 It's alright, I got it. Jul 03 17:53:33 cool Jul 03 17:53:54 It failed so I will have to go back and take a look Jul 03 17:53:59 winscp supports SCP too Jul 03 17:54:17 meshuga: it's not a problem with the protocol it's a problem with even connecting to the port from WinSCP Jul 03 17:54:21 ooh Jul 03 17:54:34 WinSCP sees through the virtualbox port forwarding somehow and gets "connection refused" Jul 03 17:54:37 weird Jul 03 17:54:52 I got the refused from cuteftp not winscp Jul 03 17:55:06 so maybe more apps do it too Jul 03 17:55:11 but pscp is happy Jul 03 17:55:29 Old school ftw. Jul 03 17:56:34 anyone know which file to edit to have dev mode always show up? Jul 03 17:56:39 Ok, can I use quilt to use a sh script rather than a javascript file Jul 03 17:56:41 i cant find it but i know i read it somewhere Jul 03 17:57:15 meshuga: http://predev.wikidot.com/unhide-the-developermode-app Jul 03 17:57:19 Yeah usr\palm\applications\com.palm.app.devmodeswitcher\ Jul 03 17:57:26 oh, to slow :( Jul 03 17:57:29 too* Jul 03 17:57:30 haha Jul 03 17:58:06 bbl Jul 03 17:58:09 destinal_away: thx Jul 03 18:10:07 how do i start initctl start crond Jul 03 18:10:07 ? Jul 03 18:15:09 omg, i did not know i was logged in.... Jul 03 18:15:12 Hello all Jul 03 18:15:17 echo hi Jul 03 18:15:20 hi Jul 03 18:17:25 lol ^ Jul 03 18:31:24 Damn....I failed :( Does someone with gitorious rights want to work with me? Jul 03 18:35:57 I guess I "bricked" my pre earlier when I edited some configs wrong Jul 03 18:36:10 couldn't repair it with the webos image, store couldn't wipe it Jul 03 18:36:19 * subhuman is now on his 2nd pre Jul 03 18:37:05 which configs? you shouldn't have screwed up the subsystem that much Jul 03 18:37:26 ^ what heor she said Jul 03 18:37:32 he or* Jul 03 18:37:37 sub...what happened to your first pre? Jul 03 18:37:42 eh, I'm a noob and I managed Jul 03 18:37:45 it wasnt a total brick Jul 03 18:37:52 I killed the browser and the camera Jul 03 18:38:12 I was manually editing stuff instead of using quilt to patch Jul 03 18:38:16 I'll use quilt next time. Jul 03 18:38:23 well, either way, it was probably fixable Jul 03 18:38:28 that's mostly what I'm trying to say Jul 03 18:38:31 I hate quilt as of 5 minutes ago. Jul 03 18:38:32 agreed Jul 03 18:38:35 probably Jul 03 18:38:44 oh, hello Eguy Jul 03 18:38:48 i could have probably cp'd the original files off of the image or something Jul 03 18:39:01 yeah, that would've done it Jul 03 18:39:20 problem is I was messing with stuff up to 5am and then went to sleep Jul 03 18:39:26 had no idea what all I had changed when I woke back up Jul 03 18:39:35 Wassup. Jul 03 18:39:36 got it replaced either way ;) Jul 03 18:39:47 now I'll be more careful. Jul 03 18:40:52 did they let you keep your old one? :-P Jul 03 18:41:03 haha Jul 03 18:41:04 jeeze the SDK is leaked on just about every website...why can't people honor their NDA... Jul 03 18:41:07 man, I forgot to ask! Jul 03 18:41:36 it's cool, though. screen isn't as wobbly on this one Jul 03 18:41:43 Eguy: well, just because it's on every website doesn't mean multiple people leaked it Jul 03 18:42:53 true Jul 03 18:43:14 Probably one source, but one is bad enough. Jul 03 18:43:56 There is a rumor that palm leaked it themselves. Jul 03 18:44:02 LMFAO: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/apple/5730555/Overheating-iPhone-3GS-Apple-blames-the-weather.html Jul 03 18:44:23 Xerran: "rumor" says it all? Jul 03 18:44:44 i suppose so Jul 03 18:44:48 I mean, I don't know for sure, but really? Jul 03 18:44:57 that seems odd Jul 03 18:45:08 also, pretty unfounded Jul 03 18:45:24 you know? Jul 03 18:45:45 it seems like it wouldn't be against palm's interests to leak it Jul 03 18:45:55 ^ yup Jul 03 18:46:00 it's clearly a popular phone that getting ripped apart Jul 03 18:46:04 might as well give the proper tools for it Jul 03 18:46:36 i cant wait to see voip on it Jul 03 18:46:44 lest they find themselves dealing with all sorts of exchanged phones like mine =P Jul 03 18:46:57 Hey, I noticed an extra $110 charge on my Sprint bill today! Can't wait to call CS :D Jul 03 18:47:08 wtf? Jul 03 18:47:12 what for? Jul 03 18:47:22 Eguy: I think sprint CS is better than their reputation suggests Jul 03 18:47:27 http://www.prethinking.com/home/2009/7/3/devs-in-early-access-program-are-now-permitted-to-discuss-th.html at least developer can talk about it now Jul 03 18:48:07 SAM LCIB VOICE 1X DATA $109.24 Jul 03 18:48:11 what ever that is. Jul 03 18:48:42 looks like whoever "Sam" is made a fair amount of money off of you Jul 03 18:48:42 Their CS has gotten better but the reps are still clueless Jul 03 18:48:51 I need to understand what some of the data symbols mean in the top right corner Jul 03 18:49:13 Xerran, what do you mean Jul 03 18:49:15 1X is 1XRTT and EV is EVDO there :D Jul 03 18:49:28 I know Ev for example Jul 03 18:50:31 ahhhh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1xrtt Jul 03 18:50:36 there are only two data symbols? Jul 03 18:50:40 it reverts to CDMA? Jul 03 18:50:47 EVDO is CDMA also Jul 03 18:50:54 just a different technology than 1x Jul 03 18:51:00 1xrtt is just slow, like EDGE and HSPDA Jul 03 18:51:10 oh ok Jul 03 18:51:17 but yes, when EVDO isn't available, it'll revert to 1x Jul 03 18:51:26 * summatusmentis is stuck in a 1x area Jul 03 18:51:29 oh ok i get it Jul 03 18:51:47 sorry: HSDPA/UMTS Jul 03 18:51:48 I love the wifi on this phone Jul 03 18:52:11 i kicked my Windows mobile 6.1 HTC to the curb Jul 03 18:52:13 lol Jul 03 18:52:24 My Centro is collecting dust Jul 03 18:52:35 I'm still using a centro, but i don't have a pre Jul 03 18:52:40 The last palm i had befor the Pre was the Treo Jul 03 18:52:46 which one :P Jul 03 18:53:06 A really old one with no cell capability Jul 03 18:53:07 lol Jul 03 18:53:22 I wish sony made a clie phone. Jul 03 18:53:41 does anyone know if you can install debian onto the pre without a linux machine? Jul 03 18:53:43 didn't all the treo's have cell? Jul 03 18:54:00 that was what made it a treo? Jul 03 18:54:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treo_90 Jul 03 18:54:08 why would you want debian on the Pre? Jul 03 18:54:08 thats the one Jul 03 18:54:09 lol Jul 03 18:54:14 so i can install skype Jul 03 18:54:37 I don't think it would work. Jul 03 18:54:37 has anyone else noticed MP3 attachements are striped in 1.04? Jul 03 18:54:50 id still like to give it a try lol Jul 03 18:54:56 Xerran: weird :) Jul 03 18:55:05 How many gb's is debian? Jul 03 18:55:06 skype need to get off their rear ends. they already ported skype to the sony PSP Jul 03 18:55:20 unless there's a skype arm .deb package, it won't work Jul 03 18:55:24 and even then, it might now Jul 03 18:55:29 People still use PSP's? LOL Jul 03 18:55:34 not me Jul 03 18:55:34 Eguy, http://bcpub.com/debsmall.img.bz2 Jul 03 18:55:36 there is a .deb package Jul 03 18:55:37 i have it Jul 03 18:55:43 but i saw kids on the subway using it Jul 03 18:55:50 ya the image for debian is like 88.6 megs Jul 03 18:55:55 theres a guide for it on the wiki Jul 03 18:55:56 ah Jul 03 18:55:58 for installing it Jul 03 18:56:04 but it uses linux as the os to install from Jul 03 18:56:07 my bad Jul 03 18:56:10 because it resizes the image and stuff Jul 03 18:56:23 i was just wondering if anyone knew how to do it from a windows machine Jul 03 18:56:34 omfg, my first pda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_3 Jul 03 18:56:43 get a linux vm in virtualbox Jul 03 18:56:50 Psion!! no way Jul 03 18:56:54 Hell ya Jul 03 18:57:02 I started with a IIIc Jul 03 18:57:04 that was the business in my native UK Jul 03 18:57:05 lol Jul 03 18:57:07 Xerran: I had a zaurus 5500, and a zaurus 3200, and a nokia n810, and now an centro/iPod Touch Jul 03 18:57:24 TY for not calling it an iTouch. Jul 03 18:57:27 :P Jul 03 18:57:41 it bugs me when people call it that Jul 03 18:57:46 Zaurus was sharp if i remember correctly Jul 03 18:57:49 yes Jul 03 18:58:04 It doesn't say iTouch on the box or the iPod. For god sake lol Jul 03 18:58:28 nope, it doesn't Jul 03 18:58:29 The forst time i ever went online was with the Psion Series 3 via compuserve back in 94 Jul 03 18:58:29 The sharp zaurus was a beast back then hehe Jul 03 18:58:33 first Jul 03 18:58:43 oooo compuserve ouch. Jul 03 18:58:59 Although me with AOL is a burn as well. Jul 03 18:59:10 AOL 1.0 ^_^ Jul 03 18:59:14 heh Jul 03 18:59:30 Just as shitty back then as it is now lmao. Jul 03 19:00:31 wow http://www.clubpda.co.uk/ Jul 03 19:00:43 they still service those old pda's Jul 03 19:01:05 I hated AOL Jul 03 19:01:22 here is my first modem... http://bcpub.com/backtothefuture.jpg Jul 03 19:01:26 300bps baby!!!! Jul 03 19:01:46 wow Jul 03 19:02:08 Xerran: your from across the pond? Jul 03 19:02:28 $85 XD Jul 03 19:02:39 I never even went online with my AMSTARD CPC 464 or ATARI 520ST Jul 03 19:03:51 Can't really read that picture... what baud was it - ? Mine was 300 Jul 03 19:03:55 Its amazing that the Pre beats them both in raw processing power Jul 03 19:04:01 FreeTim3, its 300bps Jul 03 19:04:34 Xerran, the pre blows away many of the servers/etc. i first used for net services imho Jul 03 19:05:09 i forget the pre is suppose to be a "phone".... Jul 03 19:05:19 heh...same Jul 03 19:05:32 It sure heats up like a server lol. Jul 03 19:05:35 oh totally. I had 20 MB hard drive on my first Commodore 64 and it was huge Jul 03 19:05:50 You had the commodore? lucky... Jul 03 19:06:04 yea i started with tapes, then those big ass floopies, then later there was a real drive Jul 03 19:06:11 I remember the Atari/Commodore war of '87 Jul 03 19:06:14 * bdumm started with a trash-80 Jul 03 19:06:39 I want to play some galaga now. Jul 03 19:06:52 that modem ad is from "rainbow" magazine 85 iirc Jul 03 19:07:16 funny how "online" meant entirely something different than it does today... Jul 03 19:07:18 I have been meaning to get an emulator for those old boys Jul 03 19:07:28 Xerran, run them on your pre Jul 03 19:07:47 I have glaga on my Centro. Jul 03 19:07:52 i will look into that Jul 03 19:07:53 galaga Jul 03 19:08:19 i'm still waiting for the mythtv etc frontends on the pre Jul 03 19:08:24 :) Jul 03 19:08:42 and has anyone tried to say rebroadcast signals from the pre to their local computers? Jul 03 19:08:57 no matter what comes out technology wise...I always tend to go with the underdog Jul 03 19:09:08 ie I'd like the Pre to pick up/be the service, but for me to listen/watch it elsewhere locally Jul 03 19:09:10 A-track? Jul 03 19:09:35 Pre over iPhone...AMD over intel etc Jul 03 19:09:45 trac* Jul 03 19:09:52 Eguy, ? Jul 03 19:10:18 I was an AMD head but I have moved back to Intel because of their Core cpu's Jul 03 19:10:52 the one and only intel cpu i purchased was the core 2 quad q6600 Jul 03 19:11:03 hmm bdumm? Jul 03 19:11:17 I am on a Phenom II X4 940 Black edition now Jul 03 19:11:18 just trying to figure out what you were meaning by trac* Jul 03 19:11:21 I have a Q9400 in this machine Jul 03 19:11:32 8trac was the underdog Jul 03 19:11:35 who else has ran websites off their Pre so far? Jul 03 19:11:39 oh ic Jul 03 19:11:40 :) Jul 03 19:12:14 I tried using webguide4 and I failed Jul 03 19:12:35 i need somethign to do with my Dell Axim X50v Jul 03 19:12:42 i've been using thttpd->my framework stuffs with success Jul 03 19:12:43 something Jul 03 19:12:47 ^ man I remember those Jul 03 19:12:57 well still having a caching problem, but i'll figure that out :) Jul 03 19:13:05 That was the pre of it's day imo Jul 03 19:13:10 ya Jul 03 19:13:29 You can use the MSL generator :P Jul 03 19:13:43 hah Jul 03 19:13:59 I usually just ask a store rep Jul 03 19:14:18 Eguy, what have you done with your pre? just rooted it? Jul 03 19:14:28 made any apps? Jul 03 19:14:37 Oh no, I've done a lot Jul 03 19:14:48 oh? do tell :) Jul 03 19:14:55 I was working on a patch this morning but quilt wasn't cooperating Jul 03 19:15:16 the umm "progressive patch" thingy for homebrew apps? Jul 03 19:15:28 I did the roaming hack, search additions, installed apps etc.. Jul 03 19:15:41 do you like mojo then? Jul 03 19:15:45 quilt patch for the git repository Jul 03 19:15:54 oh Jul 03 19:15:59 Yeah, it's pretty easy to deal with Jul 03 19:16:12 as long as you know css/js/html :P Jul 03 19:16:16 lol Jul 03 19:16:20 and a bit of linux Jul 03 19:16:34 yea i am still not familiar with the crossovers->luna etc Jul 03 19:17:21 tis ok, i've beaten my pre up enough for my tastes and am moving into those pre areas now.... Jul 03 19:17:39 Poor Pre Jul 03 19:18:26 my findapp app is still br0k3n on my pre though :( Jul 03 19:19:02 app catalog won't work, but updates do... Jul 03 19:23:34 I wonder how long the app catalog will be in beta? Jul 03 19:24:10 Xerran: Lets hope they don't follow google and keep it in beta for years. Jul 03 19:24:18 hahaha true Jul 03 19:24:27 Gmail? Jul 03 19:24:29 lol Jul 03 19:24:39 Yup. :) Jul 03 19:25:12 Anybody get doom to launch from luna? Jul 03 19:25:25 like our homebuilt PC's, never finished...always a work in progress Jul 03 19:25:26 lol Jul 03 19:26:14 hahaha Jul 03 19:26:30 well i lie. Jul 03 19:26:42 After adding my watercooling loop i am done Jul 03 19:28:08 could not get a good overclock without it Jul 03 19:28:58 Nothing beats my loop :p Jul 03 19:29:27 one sec Jul 03 19:29:36 do u have double loops? Jul 03 19:30:00 No need Jul 03 19:31:08 here is mine http://picasaweb.google.com/xerran/Deneb# Jul 03 19:31:13 simplistic Jul 03 19:31:29 I did not want to cool the GPU's this time around Jul 03 19:32:00 Nice Liang Jul 03 19:32:13 hah mine just overheated and shutdown.... :) Jul 03 19:32:24 Laing* Jul 03 19:32:40 esd wireless wrist strap ? Jul 03 19:32:44 ya Jul 03 19:32:57 I am a man of little money Jul 03 19:32:58 lol Jul 03 19:33:07 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3400/3252330252_017a0411f2_b.jpg mine Jul 03 19:33:11 esd gloves and esd strap Jul 03 19:33:11 lol Jul 03 19:33:18 how does an esd wireless strap work ? Jul 03 19:33:22 Oh wait, that's an old pic Jul 03 19:33:40 wow, u mix your own coolant? Jul 03 19:33:57 New gpu: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3637/3374378442_3f665c22e3_b.jpg Jul 03 19:34:00 yep Jul 03 19:34:55 http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=25510 Jul 03 19:35:01 got the strap from there Jul 03 19:35:12 Eguy, are you gunna put that in your pre? Jul 03 19:35:24 wow, thats a nice loop Jul 03 19:35:53 heh Jul 03 19:36:17 hahaha Sargun Jul 03 19:36:23 Here is the front: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3464898064_f5d55753f5_b.jpg Jul 03 19:36:44 Sargun, they need that for the jesus phone.... Jul 03 19:36:55 nice, a triple fan radd? Jul 03 19:37:24 6 Jul 03 19:37:29 3 on the inside Jul 03 19:37:43 cool Jul 03 19:37:49 Raises the room temp 10 degrees when it's on lol Jul 03 19:37:59 what else do you do with this box that you want such stuffs? Jul 03 19:38:16 It runs Crysis :P Jul 03 19:38:29 ic Jul 03 19:38:40 Crysis is not optimised very well at all imho. Jul 03 19:38:45 hard for a normal computer to run Crysis at 1920x1200 with the settings maxed :P Jul 03 19:38:53 and still get 40 fps Jul 03 19:39:10 true Jul 03 19:39:20 glad you have a usage for such equipment :) Jul 03 19:39:42 * bdumm impressed with the pre wiki infos in just 30~ days Jul 03 19:39:54 so whats going to happen in the next 30~? Jul 03 19:39:59 That's the product of several months of building though, I used ot game in CAL but not anymore. Jul 03 19:40:07 I really love Capcom's MT Framework engine. That is optimized extremely well. Jul 03 19:40:07 App catalog out of beta! Jul 03 19:40:17 Eguy, mine doesn't work :( Jul 03 19:40:24 Onwards and Upwards! And a wiki to match. Jul 03 19:40:54 You borked your app catalog? Jul 03 19:41:17 yea i dunno how either, it "works" and downloads, and installs, but then fails with "install failed" Jul 03 19:41:34 i've glanced at the code and found no easy answers, and dunno whats up yet :) Jul 03 19:41:44 return your pre :P Jul 03 19:41:48 the update app works though Jul 03 19:41:54 lol Jul 03 19:42:15 i'd wipe it and go that route before talking to sprint again Jul 03 19:42:35 Mine has started to wobble quite a bit but I have an invisible shield on it and don't want to get a new one + all my mods Jul 03 19:42:51 and loose all my stuff* Jul 03 19:42:56 mine has no problems cept the battery being loose... Jul 03 19:43:23 I think after 2 years though, all of our Pre's are seriously going to wobble. Jul 03 19:43:24 i've dropped, etc. mine in the last 30 days as well Jul 03 19:43:38 i'm waiting till it falls off the touchstone into my large water cup Jul 03 19:43:45 bet pandora will sound kewl then :) Jul 03 19:43:50 What about drove over it? Jul 03 19:43:56 anyone writing webos apps doing Ajax.Request calls? Jul 03 19:43:57 What happens if one seriousley screws up there pre? Any way of coming back Jul 03 19:43:58 not yet, give me time Jul 03 19:44:02 their Jul 03 19:44:02 Smashed with a sledgehammer? Jul 03 19:44:11 hemna, haven't done it, been looking into it Jul 03 19:44:19 Xerran: webos doctor Jul 03 19:44:23 I mean screwed up from messing around in root Jul 03 19:44:29 Xerran, yea depends on what you mean by screw up Jul 03 19:44:34 bdumm, do you know how to get a return value from an onSuccess callback function? Jul 03 19:44:38 pffft, just wipe it Jul 03 19:44:42 with webosdoctor Jul 03 19:44:50 oh ok Jul 03 19:44:59 hemna, did you look at prototype ajax docs? Jul 03 19:45:01 www.pre.com/rom Jul 03 19:45:09 wupps LOL Jul 03 19:45:12 yah not overly helpful Jul 03 19:45:13 www.palm.com/rom Jul 03 19:45:14 http://webos.pastebin.com/d3479cabb Jul 03 19:45:19 that's my call Jul 03 19:45:44 Eguy, The page cannot be found Jul 03 19:46:04 Use the palm one not pre.com hahas Jul 03 19:47:16 ? Jul 03 19:47:26 https://ws.palm.com/SupportDownload/app?service=external/Home&sp=44 Jul 03 19:47:32 hemna, little confused on why ajax and asynch = false? Jul 03 19:47:32 never mind use ^ Jul 03 19:47:33 hmm..trying to switch to bash shell Jul 03 19:47:41 ahhh ok Jul 03 19:47:44 thx Jul 03 19:47:48 I want it to come back before going on Jul 03 19:48:02 just wanted it on had just inc ase Jul 03 19:48:05 lol Jul 03 19:48:21 hemna, dunno offhand sorry Jul 03 19:48:27 k np Jul 03 19:48:31 I used it to extract the whole OS so I can see all the directories on my desktop Jul 03 19:48:43 and all the files are there in case I forget to backup :P Jul 03 19:49:22 hemna, what is TRIM? Jul 03 19:49:40 http://tr.im Jul 03 19:50:13 hmm Sprint pulled the Pre from telesales... Jul 03 19:50:15 ah ic, so its a trimmed uri call? Jul 03 19:50:21 yah Jul 03 19:50:23 Eguy, ? why Jul 03 19:50:41 Don't know Jul 03 19:50:51 I'm basically getting the gps coordinates from the Pre, building a url to google maps, then calling tr.im/tinyur.com to shorten it Jul 03 19:50:57 so I can post that on my twitter status Jul 03 19:51:05 * bdumm chuckles Jul 03 19:51:18 Just another incentive to go with apple and the iphony Jul 03 19:51:25 you should hook that to the rc plane and the webcam and cordinate that :) Jul 03 19:51:28 cool Jul 03 19:51:29 for n00bs Jul 03 19:51:58 bdumm, that is the plan :) Jul 03 19:52:16 also wanted to snap a photo and send that along as well Jul 03 19:52:20 baby steps Jul 03 19:52:56 Man that is hot: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/zonda-cinque-white-02-1280.jpg Jul 03 19:53:58 Perfect example to use "Do want" Jul 03 19:54:16 hemna, Jul 03 19:54:55 Eguy, sign me up Jul 03 19:55:03 * Lurking_Grue watches his pre taking extra long time to book.... oh crap. Jul 03 19:55:31 Have you got £1.1 million? Jul 03 19:55:41 boot even Jul 03 19:55:47 I made that yesterday *ha ha ha* Jul 03 19:56:01 in blender? Jul 03 19:56:11 how'd you know :( Jul 03 19:56:30 I see your a lover of open source :P Jul 03 19:56:33 same here Jul 03 19:56:46 Blender is gettign huge Jul 03 19:56:49 getting Jul 03 19:57:06 it's being used in commercials now Jul 03 19:57:15 * Lurking_Grue is more of a lightwave person. Jul 03 19:58:23 i remember looking at lightwave magazine Jul 03 19:58:35 it was like $15 right? Jul 03 19:59:04 I used to work at the company that made lightwave. Jul 03 20:00:18 how much is lightwave now? Jul 03 20:01:34 is lightwave the dwdm stuff? Jul 03 20:01:37 Think its around $900 non upgrade. Jul 03 20:01:55 Make that $895. Jul 03 20:02:23 That stuff is beyond me. Jul 03 20:02:34 Been years since I used it. Jul 03 20:03:07 i prefer the free\ Jul 03 20:03:09 I extend to Premiere Pro Jul 03 20:03:09 lol Jul 03 20:03:12 haha Jul 03 20:03:19 Gimp? Jul 03 20:03:34 Gimp would be great on Pre Jul 03 20:03:35 Free is good. Jul 03 20:03:43 could it fit/ Jul 03 20:03:45 ? Jul 03 20:03:48 predev.wikidot.com is free :D Jul 03 20:04:08 Someone on Precentral made paint Jul 03 20:04:12 it's pretty cool Jul 03 20:04:19 nice Jul 03 20:04:37 Xerran, there is plenty of room on the pre :) Jul 03 20:04:46 Not on mine :P Jul 03 20:04:50 Gimp is good. I do prefer Photoshop for camera raw processing. Jul 03 20:04:56 I will be in Pre heaven if i see a voip and keepass app Jul 03 20:05:04 Xerran: you'd have to do some very serious user interface modifications... Jul 03 20:05:14 ya Jul 03 20:05:56 cd /edia/cf Jul 03 20:06:10 Gah... can't even type. Jul 03 20:06:20 I use photoshop for everything, I am not much of a gimp fan. Jul 03 20:08:01 I would like that android barcode app so I can make other people who say the pre is garbage silent. Jul 03 20:08:37 Eguy: I want that and mame. Jul 03 20:08:50 Mamae has been done i think Jul 03 20:08:58 Mame Jul 03 20:09:10 I would like mame to co-exist as a card ;) Jul 03 20:09:23 that would be awesome Jul 03 20:09:56 What does mame play? Jul 03 20:10:12 the old Arcade hits Jul 03 20:10:17 Pac-man etc Jul 03 20:10:20 eguy: arcade game emulator. Jul 03 20:10:39 ah Jul 03 20:10:45 no nes as well? Jul 03 20:10:47 :P Jul 03 20:11:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAME Jul 03 20:11:20 I have not run MAME in years Jul 03 20:11:30 i think MAME is on the iphone Jul 03 20:12:04 zzz wake me when n64 is on the Pre :P Jul 03 20:12:11 * bdumm rolls eyes Jul 03 20:12:15 heheh Jul 03 20:12:19 hah Jul 03 20:12:25 thats just another mame, been done i thought Jul 03 20:12:37 Microusb joystick! Jul 03 20:12:48 knock yourself out Jul 03 20:12:50 lol Jul 03 20:13:06 how does the Pre compare with the G1 hardware wise? Jul 03 20:13:20 Shame we can't have a native task borrow the screen from luna or do some sort of multi screen thing. Jul 03 20:13:56 CPU Qualcomm MSM7201A ARM11 @ 528MHz Jul 03 20:13:56 Memory 192 MB DDR SDRAM 256 MB Flash Jul 03 20:14:01 Fail for G1 Jul 03 20:14:36 AF for the camera but no flash Jul 03 20:14:37 so in other words the G1 drops his pants and the ladies laugh? Jul 03 20:14:39 :P Jul 03 20:14:53 well... it does have a big chin :D Jul 03 20:15:04 lol Jul 03 20:15:52 I mean, what is that? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/HTC_Dream_(right_side).jpg Jul 03 20:16:13 it looks retro Jul 03 20:16:39 I wanted the phone but Sprint has a cheper plan Jul 03 20:16:44 cheaper Jul 03 20:17:02 T-Mo sucks Jul 03 20:17:29 http://www.prethinking.com/home/2009/7/3/app-catalog-to-get-expansion-of-applications-starting-this-w.html woohoo App catalog is now open for business (sort of) Jul 03 20:17:54 finally Jul 03 20:17:58 no beta? Jul 03 20:18:16 Still beta but devs can submit their apps to Palm now Jul 03 20:19:02 limited expansion of access to the Beta Application Catalog for our SDK early access partners? Come on palm Jul 03 20:19:30 hey, it's something lol Jul 03 20:19:34 damn, now i gotta fix my app catalog.... Jul 03 20:19:41 anyone noticed... no mp3 attachments anymore? Jul 03 20:19:48 no Jul 03 20:19:52 bdumm: format C:\ Jul 03 20:19:54 :P Jul 03 20:20:06 c:\ ??? Jul 03 20:20:20 Just kidding Jul 03 20:20:38 since 1.04 Jul 03 20:20:42 or just rm -rf / < don't do that Jul 03 20:20:57 Eguy, http://bcpub.com/tux/tux_fsck_image-small.png Jul 03 20:21:06 lol Jul 03 20:21:18 A NYC subway map and scientific calculator would be nice Jul 03 20:21:29 lol Jul 03 20:21:34 in one app? Jul 03 20:21:35 :) Jul 03 20:21:48 There are 3 scientific calculators on precentral Jul 03 20:22:04 only one has been posted though, the other 2 are still being worked on Jul 03 20:22:20 calc apps should be pre's hello world app imho Jul 03 20:22:25 My pre wallpaper is the linux penguin trying to catch a microsoft butterfly Jul 03 20:22:30 LOL Jul 03 20:22:45 Xerran, http://bcpub.com/tux/tux_wiz_image-small.png Jul 03 20:23:04 That penguin looks way too happy. Jul 03 20:23:11 hahaha Jul 03 20:23:36 Windows mobile is one damn nightmare Jul 03 20:24:21 too difficult to navigate and get familiar with Jul 03 20:24:35 maybe make one with a linux penguin / tux, a shark, and then windows on the other side :) Jul 03 20:24:41 It took me less than a day to know WebOS Jul 03 20:25:49 It's slow as hell. Jul 03 20:25:51 IMO we still don't *know* webOS nearly enough. well enough to make apps, sure Jul 03 20:26:11 what really sold me on Linux was DD-WRT Jul 03 20:26:27 I want all the im clients supported in "messing" all the icons are there. Jul 03 20:26:35 "messaging"* Jul 03 20:26:49 Eguy: what's not supported? Jul 03 20:26:53 * Lurking_Grue was sold on linux with Slackware in 94. Jul 03 20:26:53 After using the the pre-configured garbage that came with many routers i switched to dd-wrt Jul 03 20:27:02 MSN, jabber, yahoo, icq, irc Jul 03 20:27:09 I have been up for 86 days now. Jul 03 20:27:18 Lurking_Grue: same here, same distro, same timeframe Jul 03 20:27:20 Not counting Xerran? Jul 03 20:27:54 a buddy gave me a hard drive and tons of 3.5" floppies :) Jul 03 20:27:58 The only time my router never resets Jul 03 20:28:02 oops Jul 03 20:28:07 so I could install a second OS on my parents Acer Jul 03 20:28:10 meant ... my router never resets Jul 03 20:28:23 ewww Acer. Jul 03 20:28:37 yeah, I didn't buy it. I built my first PC from parts Jul 03 20:28:49 but I'm glad my parents did Jul 03 20:28:53 They format the OS drive as FAT32 Jul 03 20:29:10 Eguy: what? Jul 03 20:29:19 WUBI? Jul 03 20:29:23 From the factory Jul 03 20:29:48 you mean modern Acer's these days? This was a 486DX back before pentium Jul 03 20:29:54 Yeah Jul 03 20:30:16 New ones Jul 03 20:30:21 yeah, NTFS is way better, and journaling Jul 03 20:30:33 odd they would use FAT32 Jul 03 20:30:40 Who formats the OS drive as FAT32, its so stupid. Jul 03 20:32:38 I ahve seen some USB drives arrive pre-formatted in FAT32 Jul 03 20:32:42 have Jul 03 20:32:46 USB is fine Jul 03 20:32:53 makes no sense Jul 03 20:33:01 destinal, rasta tux http://bcpub.com/tux/tux_grep_image-small.png Jul 03 20:33:02 For a disk, you want NTFS Jul 03 20:33:05 I have not had any success with eSATA Jul 03 20:33:14 LOL ^^ Jul 03 20:33:19 I think its my drive Jul 03 20:33:36 Freeagent Pro Jul 03 20:33:36 Which one? Jul 03 20:33:39 Oh Jul 03 20:33:50 ESATA is slower than USB2.0 for me on that drive Jul 03 20:38:15 bdumm: :) Jul 03 20:41:17 Has anybody made a pre app for launching scripts like to starting doom? Jul 03 20:42:51 Hi there, I got a new pre today and redid all the stpes for rooting and installing the optware package, and installed dropbear. I wwas able to ssh in successfully but after reboot I no longer can ssh in. My WebOS version is 1.0.4 Jul 03 20:43:02 can anyone help me out? Jul 03 20:44:07 I then tried to restart the dropbear daemon and it was running properly. Still when I try to ssh in it says: Connection Refused Jul 03 20:44:15 did you install the dropbear startup and open your pre's firewall? Jul 03 20:44:34 I followed all instructions on predev exactly Jul 03 20:44:51 Was there something else I should had done? Jul 03 20:45:08 connection refused is usually iptables->firewall rules are not being applied on a reboot Jul 03 20:45:24 could it be because I have 1.0.4? Jul 03 20:45:28 no Jul 03 20:45:42 how are you sshing to it? Are you trying to go to the ip address on wireless? Jul 03 20:45:44 so perhaps I need to setup the firewall Jul 03 20:46:05 bzhou * r10413 optware/trunk/ (Makefile make/ccrypt.mk): ccrypt: Secure encryption and decryption of files and streams. Added & promoted Jul 03 20:46:16 on this page: Jul 03 20:46:16 http://predev.wikidot.com/dropbear-install Jul 03 20:46:16 under Step 3 Jul 03 20:46:40 isn't that the file that takes care of enabling it after reboot? Jul 03 20:49:44 "/usr/sbin/iptables -D INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT || /bin/true" Jul 03 20:49:45 "/usr/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT" Jul 03 20:49:57 commander lets you use terminal commands in an app right? Jul 03 20:50:49 or is there any other way to do it (call something in the js like Mojo.Service.Request(service name with info) Jul 03 20:51:04 bkuberek: that opens holes in the device's firewall to allow connections Jul 03 20:51:36 @ destinal:I have that set but doesn't work after reboot Jul 03 20:52:23 k, a couple of things. come back in with novaproxy or novacom and check out whether dropbear is listening on 222 Jul 03 20:52:42 I have novaterm open Jul 03 20:52:57 what's the command to check if dropbear is listening? Jul 03 20:52:59 netstat -an|grep -i 222 Jul 03 20:53:03 thanks Jul 03 20:53:16 err -i is old habit and not needed with numbers :) Jul 03 20:53:28 destinal: it says ESTABLISHED Jul 03 20:53:34 look for LISTEN Jul 03 20:53:52 just says: tcp 0 0 173.101.19.183:43391 205.140.203.33:5222 ESTABLISHED Jul 03 20:54:01 netstat -ant do that Jul 03 20:54:01 actually netstat -nl|grep 222 Jul 03 20:54:09 and look for 222 Jul 03 20:54:09 l is listening Jul 03 20:54:16 nothing Jul 03 20:54:25 then sshd isnt running Jul 03 20:54:38 ps auxw|grep -i dropbear Jul 03 20:55:07 root 1893 0.0 0.2 2692 536 pts/0 S<+ 16:54 0:00 grep -i dropbear Jul 03 20:55:10 * Eguy is back Jul 03 20:55:14 ok it's definitely not running Jul 03 20:55:18 ok Jul 03 20:55:42 so I gues the optware-dropbear file is not running on boot or is bad right? Jul 03 20:55:57 cause if I run: initctl start optware-dropbear Jul 03 20:56:07 doesn't change anything Jul 03 20:57:05 destinal: should I try openssh instead? Jul 03 20:57:10 no Jul 03 20:57:16 ok Jul 03 20:57:16 it's failing to start but try running it by hand in the foreground with /opt/sbin/dropbear -FE -p 222 Jul 03 20:57:40 destinal: it says not found Jul 03 20:58:19 ok usually this means you missed a step in the directions Jul 03 20:58:36 I went very slowly and did everything Jul 03 20:58:41 Can't find info on launching linux commands from an app... anybody know where that info is? Jul 03 20:58:55 It not my first time doing it that's why I feared it was my OS version Jul 03 20:58:57 lame...just found a couple dead pixels on my pre Jul 03 20:59:15 ouch Jul 03 20:59:16 subhuman: my first one was like that and I exchanged Jul 03 20:59:26 try /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install dropbear Jul 03 20:59:27 visible on black, two blue pixels not near eachother Jul 03 20:59:29 anyone know how i can run a terminal command from an app without using commander? Jul 03 20:59:31 only noticed it on boot Jul 03 20:59:36 so I guess it's probably not bad Jul 03 21:00:04 destinal: it says not found Jul 03 21:00:16 could it be that rebooting removing all my packages/ Jul 03 21:00:36 I can only see the "hot sports" if I hold it at a 90 degee angle and it is booting so I don't care. Jul 03 21:00:37 no Jul 03 21:00:52 bkuberek: go back and try to run http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting again Jul 03 21:00:59 ok Jul 03 21:01:06 probably you missed this line Jul 03 21:01:10 echo '/var/opt /opt bind defaults,bind 0 0' >>/etc/fstab Jul 03 21:01:12 I will try again, thanks Jul 03 21:01:23 grep opt /etc/fstab Jul 03 21:01:24 and see Jul 03 21:01:25 I typed that by hand Jul 03 21:01:30 maybe I misspelled Jul 03 21:01:39 copy / paste is best Jul 03 21:01:43 <3 copy/paste Jul 03 21:01:45 ah.. can't mispell in linux :P Jul 03 21:01:47 does df show it? Jul 03 21:02:27 I will just start over. Is there any issues with starting the instructions up again? Jul 03 21:02:56 Nope just don't do the mkdir steps again Jul 03 21:03:06 you may have a bad line in fstab thouhg Jul 03 21:03:18 It probably wouldn't hurt anything but I would go back and check Jul 03 21:03:30 just cat /etc/fstab and see Jul 03 21:03:59 I got it Jul 03 21:04:06 I actually wouldn't do it all again, probably all you need to do is fix the mount Jul 03 21:04:10 I had typed a comma instead of a period Jul 03 21:04:16 ah hehe :) Jul 03 21:04:19 echo '/var/opt /opt bind defaults,bind 0 0' >>/etc/fstab Jul 03 21:04:21 you have to remount root rw Jul 03 21:04:31 yeah I did Jul 03 21:04:33 That will do it. Jul 03 21:04:36 and delete the old line Jul 03 21:04:41 let me see if I can get dropbear to start Jul 03 21:05:05 make sure to either reboot or manually run the mount line Jul 03 21:05:15 mount -o bind /var/opt /opt Jul 03 21:05:21 then try starting it Jul 03 21:06:06 since it won't try to remount /opt until you reboot or do it manually Jul 03 21:06:10 and dropbear lives under /opt Jul 03 21:06:31 ok guys thanks a lot Jul 03 21:06:34 I got it Jul 03 21:06:48 bkuberek: cool, if you ran mount manually make sure you reboot and check to make sure the fstab is happy Jul 03 21:07:03 ok, thans Jul 03 21:07:03 I'd delete the bad line as well Jul 03 21:07:06 you're welcome Jul 03 21:09:39 has anyone been owned yet? Jul 03 21:09:46 or rather, had their palm remotely compromiseD? Jul 03 21:10:18 Nope Jul 03 21:10:34 ParanoidAndroid: I don't know, sorry -- I'm an anti-command-line-in-service heretic Jul 03 21:10:50 anti command line?! blashphmey! Jul 03 21:10:59 "command line in service" Jul 03 21:11:11 * ShadeS runs a perl script to smite you^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Jul 03 21:11:15 you saved yourself there ;) Jul 03 21:11:19 I don't feel that dbus services should be executive arbitrary command lines Jul 03 21:11:26 which is what commander does Jul 03 21:11:48 i wish I knew more of the internals of how this os works Jul 03 21:12:01 I'm only familiar with various windows flavors and linux flavors Jul 03 21:12:10 very little to nothing about mac osx or ifone or android Jul 03 21:12:21 I'm working on a real terminal app though so we won't need the service as much Jul 03 21:12:45 You wouldn't get anywher ein life knowing iPhone so :) Jul 03 21:12:50 anywhere Jul 03 21:13:19 Eguy, what soundcard do you have? Jul 03 21:13:32 Eguy: I dunno, some people have made very silly apps, sold them on iphone app store and made $$$ Jul 03 21:13:55 Those people are going to the bakery anyway though Jul 03 21:14:06 Xerran: HDA X-Plosion Jul 03 21:14:54 brb Jul 03 21:15:18 I cant undertand why there are no ubuntu audio drivers for soundblaster Jul 03 21:15:47 because soundblaster sucks :P Jul 03 21:15:52 haha Jul 03 21:16:47 I am setting up evdo ddns following the walkthrough Jul 03 21:16:50 for the ipupdate.conf Jul 03 21:17:10 will it screw anything up if I spell retries correctly as opposed to retrys in the conf? Jul 03 21:19:42 Yaaay! Modded the flashlight app to kill luna and launch doom and it worked :) Jul 03 21:20:06 * Eguy loves the flashlight app Jul 03 21:21:29 Now if only I can get it to change my voice mail message to say "I am playing Doom on my pre but that meant I had to kill luna... So please leave a message at the beep." Jul 03 21:21:51 How about visual voicemail? Jul 03 21:29:40 I guess the virtual KVM will still have some benefit, I don't know whether we'll be able to get DOOM running fast enough in a browser plugin Jul 03 21:29:52 yet another project to add to the list, sigh :) Jul 03 21:34:18 destinal, we would Jul 03 21:35:13 Sargun: that is, you think it'd be fast enough in a plugin? Jul 03 21:36:54 yeah, if we could get it to run as one Jul 03 21:36:55 counting all the message passing overhead through mojo, etc? Jul 03 21:37:40 Sargun: that's what I'm working on right now, browser plugins are NPAPI Jul 03 21:37:59 NPAPI? Jul 03 21:38:11 yeah, standard webkit / firefox / etc plugins Jul 03 21:38:57 I'm writing stuff up here: http://predev.wikidot.com/browser-plugins Jul 03 21:40:09 I'm not familiar with the mozilla build system so I'm working on setting it up to build npsimple Jul 03 21:42:56 Hi Jul 03 21:44:13 actually it looks like the webvm one has a straight Makefile, and the XULRunner sdk contains all the includes necessary I think.. I'll try building that way Jul 03 21:44:23 maybe no MBS required Jul 03 21:47:21 I think I may need help Jul 03 21:48:01 palmprenubbie: what's up? Jul 03 21:48:11 if that's the case destinal, if xulrunner has all the includes, you could package chatzilla for the pre.... Jul 03 21:48:16 another item for the list. Jul 03 21:48:37 I figured out why my mojo error dialogs weren't firing. Jul 03 21:48:43 Rick_: plugins, not extensions Jul 03 21:48:48 you -have- to have your html in a scene...... Jul 03 21:48:52 I completed stop 9 of http://predev.wikidot.com/dropbear-install. Reboot your device and confirm that you can still access it after it boots using SSH. Jul 03 21:48:52 oh. :-( right. Jul 03 21:49:04 That worked and I could log in Jul 03 21:49:29 so far so good then palmprenubbie Jul 03 21:49:31 Rick_: that makes sense Jul 03 21:49:43 But when I disable dev mode my palm went black Jul 03 21:49:55 that does not make sense. Jul 03 21:49:59 no? Jul 03 21:50:05 no Jul 03 21:50:08 that's odd Jul 03 21:50:22 pull the battery, put it back in, and see if it boots normally Jul 03 21:50:29 <== techsupport 101. Jul 03 21:50:57 I was going to do that, but one place said do not do that.... Jul 03 21:51:07 Xerran: regarding the fictitious rumour about palm intentionally leaking the SDK: http://twitter.com/chuq/status/2359189861 and http://twitter.com/chuq/status/2359198351 Jul 03 21:51:08 http://hubpages.com/hub/Problems-with-Palm-Pre Jul 03 21:51:15 Ah. And one BIG tip all Pre owners need to understand. NEVER EVER EVER remove the battery. If your Palm Pre locks up, which it shouldn't, but if it does, you'll want to press the on/off button on the top right corner of your phone three times, and it will reboot the phone. Jul 03 21:51:23 Eguy: if you're still around, I can help with quilt and gitorious Jul 03 21:51:44 hrm I removed my battery Jul 03 21:51:58 what's the deal? I wouldn't want to cause the back clips are so wimpy Jul 03 21:52:02 three times? Jul 03 21:52:03 and damagable Jul 03 21:52:36 palmprenubbie: I've never heard that about three times, it doesn't work at least when the OS is running Jul 03 21:52:43 palmprenubbie -- uh, we've borked the phones FAR FAR more than enough to prevent that. Jul 03 21:52:48 Yay! rwhitby! Ok, I have my modified javascript file but quilt was not cooperating in the sdk for me Jul 03 21:53:21 Can I email you the js file to put up on gitorious as a patch file? Jul 03 21:53:24 palmprenubbie: many people have replaced battery with no ill effects, just be careful Jul 03 21:54:11 palmprenubbie -- normally, if you HOLD THE POWER BUTTON DOWN it turns off eventually, really actually off, but we've borked phones past that too. Sometimes, the only thing you can do is jerk the battery. Jul 03 21:54:11 I don't know of anyone who has damaged one Jul 03 21:54:15