**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 08 02:59:59 2009 Jul 08 03:06:59 Hello, can anyone recommend mac os x software equiv. of cdma workshop or a method of getting an spc without windows? Jul 08 03:11:36 when i run the gps tracking script from the shell it works fine, but when cron runs it it doesnt return anythign from the luna-send Jul 08 03:17:21 collin: SSH in to the phone and use PmModemFactory. It's like having QXDM right on the phone, you can read memory addresses. Search the mobile-files.com forums for details. Jul 08 03:17:49 adns-pre: I suspected as much, thank you. Jul 08 03:24:08 Although I haven't been able to locate the proper command there. Jul 08 03:28:53 This might get you started on the right path: http://mobile-files.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109702&page=3. I don't think you can scan for the SPC so you might need to ask someone else what the address is. Jul 08 03:30:10 thank you Jul 08 03:30:15 evening Jul 08 03:33:11 hello everyone Jul 08 03:35:40 Hi Jul 08 03:37:44 does anyone yet know how to get the Pre to show how much power it is consuming? Jul 08 03:37:46 adns-pre: did you ever get an uncomplaining firstuse working? Jul 08 03:38:00 I got into google voice earlier...it's pretty neat. works well. I hope there's eventually an app Jul 08 03:38:19 showergel: ti's a seat of the pants type of thing. the hotter it is the more it's using :P Jul 08 03:38:28 lol Jul 08 03:38:50 subhuman: I heard they opened it up, I was in on it since it was grandcentral but it's been closed for awhile Jul 08 03:38:58 Subhuman: I'm using it now. I hope there is an app too. Jul 08 03:39:08 it's still closed, but they're opening it further, definitely Jul 08 03:39:32 I don't like some of the quirkiness and delay from the touchstone and ir sensor Jul 08 03:39:38 an app that handles it would be quite nice Jul 08 03:40:08 Robi_: I figured since there is a dedicated power management IC onboard, there would have to be a way to probe it. Jul 08 03:40:46 destinal: how long is that? it kinda just slapped me in the head in the last couple of months Jul 08 03:40:54 I wasn't aware of grand central or gvoice Jul 08 03:41:25 showergel: try an anal probe on it? Jul 08 03:41:56 Robi_: I would but I forgot the astroglide Jul 08 03:42:01 he means the headphone plug. Jul 08 03:42:36 hehe Jul 08 03:42:54 well there could be a simple thermistor type of thing taking count of the heat dissupation Jul 08 03:43:50 honestly i'm looking at getting more detailed information.. current consumed, voltage, etc Jul 08 03:44:55 anybody aware of how to keep speakerphone ON when removing from the touchstone while in conversation? Jul 08 03:46:28 push button Jul 08 03:46:36 turning speaker off immediately is pretty dumb, I think. it's not as though my ear is an inch away from the touchstone Jul 08 03:46:39 it's not seemless Jul 08 03:47:15 hm Jul 08 03:48:39 well, that's fine, I guess. earlier for some reason the ir sensor was kicking on as soon as I lifted from the touchstone Jul 08 03:48:45 so I couldn't press Jul 08 03:48:55 whatever. Jul 08 03:49:12 its only because you're subhuman Jul 08 03:49:36 upgrade to funhuman and you may get somewhere Jul 08 03:50:20 sorry, that's beyond me. Jul 08 03:51:03 Hey Robi Jul 08 03:51:05 you mean below Jul 08 03:51:08 hoa Jul 08 03:51:10 no ipkg for that Jul 08 03:51:12 er hola Jul 08 03:51:19 no, being subhuman, it is above me Jul 08 03:51:20 I am below it Jul 08 03:51:29 I guess Jul 08 03:51:50 what did the mole say in the incredibles movie? Jul 08 03:52:13 i am always below you and tehre is noone below me Jul 08 03:58:51 So quiet in here lol Jul 08 03:58:52 Sprint no longer selling Pre over the phone http://www.nonstoptechnews.com/39369 Jul 08 04:00:10 anyone breathing? Jul 08 04:00:18 nope Jul 08 04:00:24 wondering if anyone tried installing vim on the pre? Jul 08 04:00:25 err wait a second Jul 08 04:00:30 everyone is over in #webos-watercooler ... Jul 08 04:00:36 LOL Jul 08 04:00:38 lol Jul 08 04:00:43 Thanks man Jul 08 04:00:49 I just registered the channel today Jul 08 04:01:18 you are know trying to command your breathing Jul 08 04:01:34 hey rwhitby Jul 08 04:01:35 Try again A2NY Jul 08 04:02:23 Oh no! Fail on the LED control, it keeps blinking even though I cleared the notification :( It works though! Jul 08 04:08:10 lol Jul 08 04:08:51 oh well Jul 08 04:08:55 hi Eguy Jul 08 04:09:50 Hey Jul 08 04:18:56 sup guys Jul 08 04:19:09 Nothing Jul 08 04:19:14 the ceiling Jul 08 04:20:14 more fail on trying to adjust cpu frequency, with newest method to adjust voltage Jul 08 04:20:19 my pre hates it Jul 08 04:21:12 any words on new updates? Jul 08 04:21:30 palm release one? no Jul 08 04:21:55 Nope Jul 08 04:22:06 lol A2NY: leave it alone already :P Jul 08 04:22:19 i thought i would try :D Jul 08 04:22:30 There will never be another app update every again Jul 08 04:22:35 ever* Jul 08 04:22:43 i was reading thru a thread and saw one guy say his pre dropped 7% in the first 20min Jul 08 04:23:02 That's what mine does! :P Jul 08 04:23:08 it can easily happen if he pulled the pre off the wall @ system ui @ 100% Jul 08 04:23:30 just because ui is at 100% doesnt mean battery is Jul 08 04:23:42 hmm SDK clock 1.1 Pre 1.0.4 clock 1.0.3 Jul 08 04:23:50 it stops at 100% and begins at 94$ Jul 08 04:24:14 version numbers that is Jul 08 04:25:11 intresting Jul 08 04:25:17 can we push sdk clock ? Jul 08 04:25:35 Sure Jul 08 04:25:43 just sftp the app folder Jul 08 04:25:49 are any of you guys portal fans? Jul 08 04:25:56 me Jul 08 04:25:58 i was hopeing to see the ASCII portal on the pre Jul 08 04:25:59 I have it but I never got into it Jul 08 04:26:00 http://cymonsgames.retroremakes.com/asciiportal-update-video-2/ Jul 08 04:26:16 PopCap is making Pre games :) Jul 08 04:26:23 Going to be awesome Jul 08 04:26:28 have a look at that, it's pretty awesome Jul 08 04:27:24 i dont have the sdk =\ Jul 08 04:27:30 send me it :P Jul 08 04:27:53 Erm No :P Jul 08 04:28:02 It's leaked everywhere in the interwebs Jul 08 04:28:07 like always Jul 08 04:28:38 where are the folders of the sdk stored ? Jul 08 04:28:45 *when installed Jul 08 04:28:55 Appl folders? Jul 08 04:29:07 App* Jul 08 04:29:09 yes Jul 08 04:29:30 usr/palm/applications just like the Pre Jul 08 04:32:35 i think i got a butchered ver of sdk Jul 08 04:34:21 Hello Jul 08 04:34:43 Anyone know why I can't SSH into my Pre after I disable dev mode? I'm using Dropbear with the startup script supplied in the directions on the wiki Jul 08 04:35:53 you verify dropbear is running ? Jul 08 04:36:03 well if I turn on dev mode I can SSH into it just fine Jul 08 04:36:12 that is, after a reboot Jul 08 04:37:01 I did iptables --list and verified that the rules were there Jul 08 04:38:10 using port 222 correct ? Jul 08 04:38:15 yep Jul 08 04:38:28 and ssh is selected Jul 08 04:38:31 but yeah, I go into the dev mode app, turn it on, it reboots, I can SSH. I turn it off, reboot, cannot ssh Jul 08 04:39:06 I am assuming this is because dev mode opens up the firewall, but I can't understand why the firewall exception (which I verified exists) doesnt work Jul 08 04:39:16 dev mode opens up port 6969 Jul 08 04:39:29 this can be seen running nmap Jul 08 04:40:13 some intresting battery info for y'all Jul 08 04:40:15 http://webos.pastebin.com/f44b05c85 Jul 08 04:44:13 oh, hmm Jul 08 04:44:21 so why the hell does it affect ssh :/ Jul 08 04:44:37 Eguy, has sdk changed i have 1.0 =\ Jul 08 04:45:40 ah Jul 08 04:46:51 A2NY|home: Where did you find that log? :) Jul 08 04:46:53 wait, no, I take that back... dev mode is on and I can't ssh Jul 08 04:46:54 what the hell Jul 08 04:47:33 Also, 1x cdma roaming is not 3g, right Jul 08 04:47:49 1x is always RTT Jul 08 04:48:36 yes Jul 08 04:48:42 1XRTT Jul 08 04:48:58 showergel, in with everything else Jul 08 04:49:12 - /var/log/messages Jul 08 04:49:13 Yup 1X Jul 08 04:49:25 But with femotell we will get 3g roaming :) Jul 08 04:49:49 oh FFS, firefox just got stripped of all its theming. everything is transparent with no images and just black text Jul 08 04:49:55 if we could find out how to edit the carrier db i am sure we can have 3g everywhere Jul 08 04:50:24 lol FF sucks :) Jul 08 04:50:44 It updated a theme I use and the new theme utterly destroyed everything Jul 08 04:50:46 finally got it back Jul 08 04:51:02 nice Jul 08 04:51:43 what do you mean 3g everywhere? Jul 08 04:51:51 sure :D Jul 08 04:52:12 but i am sure it wouldnt be simple Jul 08 04:52:17 or maybe it would Jul 08 04:52:20 havent looked Jul 08 04:52:39 no, I mean I don't get what you mean. I'm afraid I don't know much about the network side of things Jul 08 04:52:46 you mean the phone is set to only use 3G on sprint? Jul 08 04:52:50 yup Jul 08 04:52:58 oh Jul 08 04:55:05 that would indeed be awesome Jul 08 04:55:45 A2NY|home: From your log i'm noticing the touchstone is transferring more power than a normal usb port. 700mA vs 500mA normal. Jul 08 04:55:48 Sprint won't like it ;) Jul 08 04:56:01 Sprint can go fuck themselves Jul 08 04:56:11 hahahaha Jul 08 04:56:18 My Airave just started working again Jul 08 04:56:22 yes Jul 08 04:56:28 and the wall is 1000 Jul 08 04:56:28 My plan says I get data roaming. doesn't say anything about 3g data roaming Jul 08 04:56:32 at least I think it doesn't... Jul 08 04:56:49 Emon: The only possibliity of 3g roaming is with a verizon network. Jul 08 04:56:56 right Jul 08 04:57:00 They're the only other CDMA carrier. Jul 08 04:57:04 which has better coverage in my area :) Jul 08 04:57:15 Be careful, I got this charge on my account: SAM LCIB VOICE 1X DATA $109.24 Jul 08 04:57:20 You can set the roaming tendency for Data Roaming to "Automatic" Jul 08 04:57:25 which plan? Jul 08 04:57:34 Everything Jul 08 04:57:41 that doesn't sound right Jul 08 04:57:41 Eguy: You can't be charged for that on Sprint's plan. Jul 08 04:57:51 I am calling tomorrow :) Jul 08 04:57:56 its about time Jul 08 04:58:01 yeah Jul 08 04:58:02 how long have you had that Jul 08 04:58:04 I have the Sprint business solutions service Jul 08 04:58:06 haven't had the chance Jul 08 04:58:12 I.e. for employees that get deals through their employers Jul 08 04:58:28 the service is amazing. you call them up and it's basically, "Good day sir, how may we fellate you today?" Jul 08 04:58:37 Emon: I have the same thing, isn't it great? Jul 08 04:58:38 VZW has better signal at my house as well, been using roam only for a few days with 0 problems Jul 08 04:58:50 I pay $55 for everything 450 Jul 08 04:58:51 SERO was like that Jul 08 04:59:01 Hello, can we give you free money? Jul 08 05:00:55 yes Jul 08 05:00:57 yes you can Jul 08 05:01:13 i have one hot battery Jul 08 05:01:47 heh Jul 08 05:09:51 nite all Jul 08 05:09:56 gnite Jul 08 05:22:07 how come the camera doesnt work with the SDK Jul 08 05:23:27 whats a good program to create a logo for the global search? to make the png file Jul 08 05:23:47 paint shop pro doesn;t seem to be cutting it Jul 08 05:23:48 lol Jul 08 05:24:05 for? Jul 08 05:24:06 paint.net Jul 08 05:24:09 on windows that is Jul 08 05:24:12 otherwise, gimp Jul 08 05:24:18 avoid gimp if at all possible, it's a pile of shit Jul 08 05:24:20 k, im on win, ill check it out, ty Jul 08 05:24:25 poweful but abhorrent ui Jul 08 05:26:51 Question about pssh in clasic Jul 08 05:27:19 It looks like it works, but it does not accept my password Jul 08 05:28:16 I can ssh in over wifi just fine, but with pssh to 127.0.0.1, I get the password prompt, but it doesn't like me Jul 08 05:29:26 JamesBaud: illustrator Jul 08 05:29:48 Or Inkscape for free Jul 08 05:31:00 http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/08/google-announces-chrome-os/ :D Jul 08 05:31:09 Chrome Pre :) Jul 08 05:31:31 and will be capable of running on x86 (that includes Intel Atom) and ARM chips. Jul 08 05:31:34 that's interesting Jul 08 05:31:38 yup Jul 08 05:31:38 arm chips too Jul 08 05:31:42 Pre being ARM :) Jul 08 05:33:29 so i havne't been here in a while, what's the good word Jul 08 05:33:31 what's goin on Jul 08 05:34:07 Nothing really Jul 08 05:34:12 cpu scaling is bad Jul 08 05:34:19 yessss Jul 08 05:34:29 hahah A2NY knows all too well. :D Jul 08 05:34:42 overclocking was decent Jul 08 05:35:00 But? Jul 08 05:35:02 did you guys decide on the standard CLI for the pre yet? Jul 08 05:35:02 but my batt temps are way to high to began with oc would be dumb on a tochstone Jul 08 05:35:09 i know there was like 4 projects being kicked around Jul 08 05:35:19 if i had usb @ 500, i wouldnt mind Jul 08 05:35:51 a2ny, is it your batt temps or the area below your battery Jul 08 05:35:55 i'm assuming it's the processor Jul 08 05:36:21 my pre gets pretty hot in that area too Jul 08 05:36:32 http://webos.pastebin.com/f44b05c85 Jul 08 05:36:34 Mine burns in that area Jul 08 05:36:41 Too hot to even touch Jul 08 05:36:48 does it start singing too? im burnin, im burnin for you? Jul 08 05:36:49 yeah Jul 08 05:36:57 to hot to squeeze and hold, that's for sure Jul 08 05:37:02 lol Jul 08 05:37:06 but not to the point to where it causes burns for me Jul 08 05:37:27 Travis Barker and DJ AM are burning up Jul 08 05:44:32 anyone have a term working in classic? Jul 08 05:45:06 Argh, I am going to have to disable the LED script, my stupid center button keeps lighting up haha Jul 08 05:45:23 At least it is technically possible ot have LED controll Jul 08 05:45:25 control* Jul 08 05:46:00 thats what you get Jul 08 05:46:08 and you get that for not cpu scaling Jul 08 05:46:18 (fail) Jul 08 05:46:26 you don't even get to talk Jul 08 05:46:35 -v A2NY lol Jul 08 05:54:03 rwhitby: Are you about? Jul 08 05:54:15 JackieRipper: yep Jul 08 05:56:26 * oc80z peeks in Jul 08 05:57:17 eyyyy oc80z Jul 08 05:59:29 ok, if I can just get past this error I might be able to draw something in a plugin Jul 08 05:59:31 http://webos.pastebin.com/m54f17cbf Jul 08 05:59:52 /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3.3/include/stddef.h:152: error: expected initializer before "typedef" Jul 08 06:01:32 for some reason it reallly doesn't like this header Jul 08 06:01:40 yay Jul 08 06:01:43 http://predev.wikidot.com/show-actual-battery-percent Jul 08 06:02:20 nice Jul 08 06:02:54 this is what your precent stuff was about earlier. i see now. :) Jul 08 06:03:54 then if i am feeling up to it, i want to add hours left based on current usage Jul 08 06:04:15 or mins xD Jul 08 06:30:37 hows it going Jul 08 06:30:48 just crashed a F1 car Jul 08 06:30:52 wups Jul 08 06:31:15 CRUISE CONTROL ? Jul 08 06:33:37 forget that Jul 08 06:33:49 synergy fails after webos doctor...fix? Jul 08 06:34:11 synergy is acting up. Jul 08 06:34:12 ./synergy --refresh Jul 08 06:34:14 :P Jul 08 06:34:15 it's annoying Jul 08 06:34:41 Its amazing Jul 08 06:35:03 innovation, linux, social. Jul 08 06:35:25 welcome back christefano Jul 08 06:35:28 hi GNUtoo Jul 08 06:35:49 hi Jul 08 06:35:50 GNUtoo i like driving in italy Jul 08 06:36:00 i liked, the driving in italy Jul 08 06:36:09 :D Jul 08 06:36:19 what driving? Jul 08 06:36:33 I'm driving the nuburgring right now Jul 08 06:36:38 nurburgring* Jul 08 06:36:55 oh nice Jul 08 06:37:00 GNUtoo welcome. Jul 08 06:37:03 GP circuit Jul 08 06:37:07 ah ok Jul 08 06:37:33 Stupid Scuderia Ferrari I have only a 2 second lead over Brawn Jul 08 06:37:56 are you pausing to type this Egay Jul 08 06:38:28 nah, waiting for qualifying to finish ;) Jul 08 06:38:34 LOL Jul 08 06:38:36 ok Jul 08 06:38:48 um.. Sargun whats good, or, wahts conflicting w/ synergy Jul 08 06:38:54 woohoo I got pole :P Jul 08 06:39:04 you like the pole Jul 08 06:39:12 water fooler here we come Jul 08 06:39:12 hahahaha Jul 08 06:39:16 yuup Jul 08 06:39:22 i'm over at http://forums.palm.com/palm/board?board.id=Synergy Jul 08 06:39:24 it just isn't updating Jul 08 06:42:41 romg Jul 08 06:44:12 http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=Synergy&thread.id=3208 Jul 08 06:48:35 I'll come back later Jul 08 06:48:46 and thanks for the welcome Jul 08 06:52:39 A2NY|home: did you get that patch into the repo eventually? Jul 08 06:53:01 rwhitby, yes i did Jul 08 06:53:09 but for some reason it took stuff but really didnt Jul 08 06:53:17 i re-cloned the dir and everything was fine Jul 08 06:53:23 but it said i pushed 3 things Jul 08 06:53:33 one was correct, two were wrong, but are not there Jul 08 07:07:58 *sigh* Jul 08 07:08:51 how does synnergy work with microsoft forests & ldap Jul 08 07:08:55 its ldap right... Jul 08 07:09:02 oc80z: join the watercooler Jul 08 07:09:06 if your bored Jul 08 07:09:07 sigh.. Jul 08 07:09:12 @watercooler? Jul 08 07:09:26 #webos-watercooler Jul 08 07:09:27 webos-watercooler Jul 08 07:09:40 ah. Jul 08 07:19:32 so yeah Jul 08 07:19:36 wahts in this forums thread Jul 08 07:19:58 timeout issues. Jul 08 07:20:00 heh Jul 08 07:21:32 Server overload Jul 08 07:26:11 format webos: Jul 08 07:26:40 you forgot / Jul 08 07:28:57 sudo rm -rf / ? Jul 08 07:29:02 /msg nickserv register Cell69 Bulls729@gmail.com Jul 08 07:29:09 oops Jul 08 07:29:10 lol Jul 08 07:29:14 FAIL Jul 08 07:29:15 how do you mess that up Jul 08 07:29:27 That was a massive FAIL Jul 08 07:29:45 HAHAHA Jul 08 07:29:54 pretty funny Jul 08 07:30:06 i recommend changing ur gmail password Jul 08 07:30:09 =p Jul 08 07:30:10 hahahahahaah Jul 08 07:30:13 they've already left Jul 08 07:30:23 I don't know what is funnier, the fact we saw the password or the password Jul 08 07:30:36 6 chars is fun Jul 08 07:30:51 Anyone peek in his email? Jul 08 07:31:03 hahaa Jul 08 07:31:16 [move to watercooler] Jul 08 07:31:32 somehow i know the pre was at fault Jul 08 07:32:51 Bulls729, join #webos-watercooler Jul 08 07:32:56 that's an order Jul 08 07:33:00 LOL Jul 08 07:35:05 heh Jul 08 07:35:42 heh 6 chars now is like 2min Jul 08 07:36:01 i havent seen a pw like that since john.exe 1.0 Jul 08 07:36:09 or crack5 heh Jul 08 07:36:22 LOL Jul 08 07:36:24 nice Jul 08 08:32:26 Ok, watercooler is back :) Jul 08 08:32:32 sorry for the kicking :( Jul 08 08:57:09 Feel free to join the watercooler for any off topic chat :) Jul 08 09:08:19 I just installed Apache from the optware repo and I'm wondering how to use iptables to allow traffic to port 8000. does anyone have the iptables command for this? Jul 08 09:19:13 christefano: copy the commands from the optware-dropbear upstart script Jul 08 09:19:56 put it in script called optware-apache in the same directory, and you should be able to get it to automatically start apache and open the port at the same time. Jul 08 09:19:57 Eguy-sleepy Jul 08 09:20:06 is that an official channel Jul 08 09:20:18 now it is :D Jul 08 09:20:37 chanserv is +o +v etcnow Jul 08 09:21:08 hi christefano Jul 08 09:21:09 u still there? Jul 08 09:21:28 oc80z: yup, just opened the port with "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 8000 -j ACCEPT" Jul 08 09:21:34 sure.. Jul 08 09:21:39 that works Jul 08 09:21:52 rwhitby: that's a great idea, thanks Jul 08 09:22:20 for now, though, I don't think I want my phone to be available to the world Jul 08 09:22:33 *shrug* your ip will always be changing. Jul 08 09:22:41 christefano: you can restrict it to wifi ... Jul 08 09:23:04 oc80z: I've used iptables for years but this is the first time I've had to learn more than the bare minimum :) Jul 08 09:23:16 rwhitby: I've set up dynamic DNS for it Jul 08 09:24:25 you might as well just buy a $50 old box and put linux on it and run it from home IMO Jul 08 09:24:44 haha, yeah that's definitely true but I'm doing this for the novelty of it Jul 08 09:24:50 lol Jul 08 09:24:53 *shrug* Jul 08 09:24:56 webos doctor tomorrow ;) Jul 08 09:24:57 theres always vmware. Jul 08 09:25:02 you wont need to webos doctor. Jul 08 09:25:02 ah, but that box won't have the data on it that is up to the minute on your phone Jul 08 09:25:15 HEH Jul 08 09:25:21 you are mapping your photos Jul 08 09:25:26 lol Jul 08 09:25:34 did you install the Gallery PHP suite? Jul 08 09:25:48 it works. Jul 08 09:25:48 web server providing a webcam video feed of what your phone sees .... Jul 08 09:25:56 no, worse. :) I'm putting Drupal onto it Jul 08 09:26:05 Ah.. that works fine Jul 08 09:26:16 yeah drupal works, love taht taxonomy Jul 08 09:26:21 PHP, MySQL and Apache are all up and running Jul 08 09:26:41 yeap Jul 08 09:27:07 I guess I'm also doing this because I wasn't able to do this with my Nokia N810 Jul 08 09:27:23 heh Jul 08 09:27:46 i think the new n-series can video conf. Jul 08 09:27:48 quite well too Jul 08 09:27:49 somebody compiled MySQL for an older Maemo release but not for the one on the N810. I was so bummed Jul 08 09:28:16 unlike this un-quite coffee.. what is this..milk? Jul 08 09:29:01 are you documenting how to do this? Jul 08 09:29:10 ...it should go on the wiki Jul 08 09:29:22 I'd be happy to. do you have the password for the wiki? Jul 08 09:29:23 ppl need more linux knowledge. Jul 08 09:29:35 i think all it takes is approval Jul 08 09:29:59 send rwhitby your email you used to reg at wikidot.com Jul 08 09:30:29 anyone who has the wiki pw can give it to anyone else who is going to contribute Jul 08 09:30:37 I've just given it to christefano Jul 08 09:30:55 cool, thanks Jul 08 09:31:37 I love it how everyone thanks me for the wiki password, when it means that they are going to be the ones doing the work :-) Jul 08 09:32:03 nice eh.. heh Jul 08 09:32:05 what we really need is a template :\ Jul 08 09:32:11 a template? Jul 08 09:32:17 to base new pages off of Jul 08 09:32:29 o Jul 08 09:32:51 i was thinking we should bank more on the homebrew page Jul 08 09:33:55 http://predev.wikidot.com/homebrew Jul 08 09:34:31 ...precentral has a bunch of noob apps.. Jul 08 09:35:27 whatever, pre needs anything they can get Jul 08 09:35:35 lol Jul 08 09:36:25 guitarhero on the iphone is cool... but id rather read a newspaper. Jul 08 09:36:44 hmm Jul 08 09:36:48 "Oooops! Sorry, you can not edit this page. Only members of this site, owner (creator) of this page, site administrators and perhaps selected moderators are allowed to." Jul 08 09:37:01 is http://predev.wikidot.com/apache locked? Jul 08 09:37:07 you have to click the link on your email ? Jul 08 09:37:29 my account is verified and I'm logged in Jul 08 09:38:37 http://predev.wikidot.com/show-actual-battery-percent Jul 08 09:38:38 yay Jul 08 09:41:31 gnite Jul 08 09:42:59 cheers Jul 08 09:43:39 IPv6! Jul 08 09:51:38 sup? Jul 08 09:51:45 ip6calc? Jul 08 09:52:20 nt a bad scope :| Jul 08 10:32:19 has anyone had problems changing the hostname from "castle" to something else? Jul 08 10:49:29 heh Jul 08 10:53:17 dbus-daemon Jul 08 10:55:51 theres ya problem right ttherr Jul 08 10:58:38 should plug that Jul 08 10:58:42 from the outside world... Jul 08 11:00:34 right? Jul 08 12:21:55 ugh Jul 08 12:22:02 hit a reproduceable data loss bug wtf :( Jul 08 12:26:41 awesome - how do you do it ? Jul 08 12:32:11 ugh scratch that, i was able to reproduce it about 4 times and then it stopped :( Jul 08 12:32:25 maybe(hopefully) it was just the emulator being wonky Jul 08 12:36:42 * blau-mikeDG needs to work on an auto backup of his database Jul 08 13:08:37 blau-mikeDG bpadalino dbus-daemon Jul 08 13:08:56 port 4444 .. that open on stock Jul 08 13:11:25 If i wanted to Write a hello message on my desktop.. what files should i look at? i've been searching but not sure where else to look Jul 08 13:11:36 above my wallpaper Jul 08 13:12:13 hmm in most of the wiki pages it says that you have to remout / to rw Jul 08 13:12:18 my / is always rw Jul 08 13:15:52 nice i fubar the messaging app\ Jul 08 13:16:30 hope you used quilt, or took a backup first ... Jul 08 13:16:59 id did make a backup Jul 08 13:17:06 it opens new cards Jul 08 13:17:10 but they are blank Jul 08 13:22:08 :( Jul 08 13:22:26 i wish someone fixed my messaging tweak Jul 08 13:22:38 it has some issues, but tnothing i wanna invest time in fixing :( Jul 08 13:23:21 heh i didnt see dydnds client on predev so I setup ddclient Jul 08 13:23:22 hehe Jul 08 13:36:03 * blau-mikeDG hates css Jul 08 13:42:47 ok, looks like my phone doesnt like ondemand cpu scaling, when i woke up this morning my phone was hot to the touch and unresponsive (blank screen) had to take the battery out to be able to turn it back on. Jul 08 13:42:55 but the battery was still at 100% Jul 08 13:52:26 mine does like it very much. We suspect it depends on manufacture date of the phone. My battery now lasts two days and the only prooblem I've noticed is some blips when watching videos Jul 08 14:03:02 yeah, i think im going to try and webOSdr reset soon and then try it all over again Jul 08 14:06:48 Anyone here? Jul 08 14:08:03 Yes tons Jul 08 14:08:29 gkatsev: I used the settings near the bottom of the wiki page exactly. /processor Jul 08 14:08:45 I have a question, hopefully someone knows the answer to, otherwise I'm up a creek lol... Jul 08 14:09:09 Does anyone know how to backup your Task List and Notes on the Pre, i.e. maybe via shell access? Jul 08 14:10:05 I use evernote - it backs up notes to web page automatically. No sync requires. But, it uses it's own notes (doens't use existing palm notes.) www.evernote.com Jul 08 14:10:26 right.. I need the data from the Task List and Notes apps that come pre-installed :( Jul 08 14:10:33 I meant no manual sync required - it's automatic Jul 08 14:10:34 I'm wondering if anyone has an idea where those might be stored Jul 08 14:10:57 Evernote looks promising but it makes me login every time, so I never use it Jul 08 14:11:31 I use the Notes app extensively though, and unfortunately I have to send my Pre to Palm to repair a cracked screen, so now all my data will be wiped Jul 08 14:11:52 any guesses at least where Palm apps store user data? Jul 08 14:15:41 I thought Palm would restore your data for you right? that's the reasonfor the PalmOne account? Jul 08 14:16:37 PalmOne? is that the Palm Profile? The Palm Profile mainly just stores Contacts.. I've confirmed with Sprint and Palm that Palm Profile does not backup user data from other apps Jul 08 14:17:59 which sux Jul 08 14:18:03 ok. Outch it doesn't help you though. Jul 08 14:18:09 they should at least backup text messages :) Jul 08 14:18:46 yeah.. its stuff like that i'm interested in preserving, but apparently there's no "Official" way to do it at all Jul 08 14:19:00 It looks like much of the data might get stored in /var/luna/data but Jul 08 14:19:17 its mostly in db3 files, so I cant be sure Jul 08 14:19:38 Any way to get a db3 viewer app in webos internally? Jul 08 14:19:44 ipkg or somethin? Jul 08 14:19:48 sqlite3 Jul 08 14:19:56 sqlite3 dbname Jul 08 14:21:14 hmm that just put me at an sqlite prompt Jul 08 14:21:26 now you can qury the database Jul 08 14:21:30 oh maybe thats what i want.. yeah heh Jul 08 14:21:40 lol Jul 08 14:21:57 dang.. my command line sql is rusty :( how do i view tables again Jul 08 14:22:14 er, sqlite.. table per file yeah? Jul 08 14:22:20 .pragma table_info or something Jul 08 14:22:24 google it? Jul 08 14:22:46 google? when I have at my fingertips an entire community full of brilliant people? ;) jk Jul 08 14:23:20 .tables or .schema Jul 08 14:23:23 lol Jul 08 14:23:36 that might work too :) Jul 08 14:24:07 yeah .tables is what i'm looking for thanks! Jul 08 14:25:59 WOW.. jackpot Jul 08 14:26:17 yeah these are the right files Jul 08 14:26:22 sweet :) Jul 08 14:26:27 thanks for the sqlite tip Jul 08 14:26:56 for the curious -- it appears that virtually all of your data is stored in 3 db3 files in /var/luna/data Jul 08 14:27:22 ok; which db is which for tasks,memos Jul 08 14:27:44 I see just the one palmdatabase.db3 Jul 08 14:27:53 one is ./mediadb.db3 -- I believe this is your ringtone, sounds, etc data; the two critical ones are PalmAccountDatabase.db3 and PalmDatabase.db3 Jul 08 14:28:22 ok the palmaccountdatabase one might not be as useful, i dont know Jul 08 14:29:07 but palmdatabase.db3 is the goldmine Jul 08 14:30:29 the real question is whether I can simply drop this file back into my wiped Pre and still have it work OK Jul 08 14:30:50 obviously I'd have to backup the old one just in case... but worst case, backing up this file I have the raw data Jul 08 14:31:23 one last question that is disturbingly Newb-ish :( anyone know how to use PuTTY to copy files to your local windows? Jul 08 14:33:23 i dont think you can Jul 08 14:34:10 u cant Jul 08 14:34:14 hm ok.. OH i know i'll just copy the file to the USB drive and snag it that way. Jul 08 14:34:23 there is pscp Jul 08 14:34:36 although that requires scp on the remote side Jul 08 14:34:54 pscp sounds like what i'm looking for, but i think copying it to the media drive will be easiest Jul 08 14:37:17 creo: copying to media is a pain Jul 08 14:37:22 you have to unmount it, then remount it Jul 08 14:37:30 freetim: the smartreflex thing? Jul 08 14:37:51 freetim: ill have to try it after reseting my phone Jul 08 14:39:00 but let us know how you make out... even a manual method into these files would be good Jul 08 14:39:07 blau -- can you elaborate? i was able to copy to media just fine, with sudo.. but apparently i cant access my media drive via usb now Jul 08 14:39:24 @gkat: No I just did the small section "making it stick" on that page... this worked for me Jul 08 14:39:41 well to copy to /media/internal you need to make sure its not in usb drive mode Jul 08 14:39:53 then to get from the pre to your computer you have to put it into usb drive mode Jul 08 14:39:55 its annoying Jul 08 14:40:45 and you can do all this by unmount/remounting? I am currently unable to access the usb drive, and my touch screen is deceased Jul 08 14:40:50 I mean, Jul 08 14:41:06 when I try to access the usb drive in windows its telling me "insert disk" or whatever Jul 08 14:41:17 maybe that means its not mounted? Jul 08 14:42:04 or something.. i still struggle with all the mounting and read-only FS stuff regarding webos Jul 08 14:42:10 its a bit vague to me. Jul 08 14:42:52 I'm thinking that its maybe supposed to be in read only mode to access the usb drive or something? Jul 08 14:43:01 Plug it into usb... at the prompt when you do "charge only" it's not mounted. when you choose "usb drive" it's mounted Jul 08 14:43:33 I cannot. My touchscreen has gone the way of all the earth (and a handful of Palm Pre's). I have the Spontaneous Crack you may have read about. Jul 08 14:43:38 if it's mounted, from windows eject the drive (right click on the Pre drive letter) to unmount it Jul 08 14:43:39 hence the need to send to Palm. Jul 08 14:44:03 The current problem is it says theres no disk in the drive Jul 08 14:44:04 ---- OH --- Jul 08 14:45:29 does anyone have any ideas on what blau is talking about and how that might relate to my current problem? i'm at a loss here Jul 08 14:46:08 totally at y'alls mercy, i've got to get that data and I know Sprint isn't gonna help me lol Jul 08 14:46:37 did you try rebooting? Jul 08 14:46:41 phone and pc Jul 08 14:46:49 No. Good idea. :) Jul 08 14:47:56 hmm.. dang i feel stupid... whats the command to reboot again? Touch screen dead, can't reboot naturally. Jul 08 14:48:24 reboot Jul 08 14:48:35 orange+sym+R Jul 08 14:48:40 i think i have to be in via telnet for that Jul 08 14:48:46 reboot not recognized from ssh Jul 08 14:48:49 er, putty Jul 08 14:49:06 try initctl start powerd Jul 08 14:49:23 initctl not found Jul 08 14:49:40 argh, i' Jul 08 14:49:43 sudo -i ? Jul 08 14:49:47 are you in root ? Jul 08 14:49:52 oh. Jul 08 14:49:54 sudo Jul 08 14:49:56 -i Jul 08 14:50:01 i forgot -i Jul 08 14:50:25 ;) Jul 08 14:53:24 well rebooting didn't work.. guess i'll try the pc, but i admit i dont have a lot of hope for that one Jul 08 14:57:20 * blau-mikeDG begins to part the most disgusting piece of code hes ever written Jul 08 14:57:23 from java to js Jul 08 15:11:37 lol Jul 08 15:12:33 Does ANYONE know how to force my Pre to mount the USB Drive without clicking on the "Usb Drive" option on the touch screen? Jul 08 15:12:47 can you ssh in? Jul 08 15:13:04 yes Jul 08 15:13:22 I don't know how to get it to serve it up to your PC, but you can transfer the files through SSH Jul 08 15:13:25 you using windows? Jul 08 15:13:29 yes Jul 08 15:13:44 did you install the openssh-sftp package? that's not the exactname.... Jul 08 15:14:46 yes, i can ssh just fime Jul 08 15:14:50 oh ftp Jul 08 15:15:04 not sure Jul 08 15:15:07 there's also a program called WinSCP that may work for you, haven't used it Jul 08 15:15:10 try getting WinSCP Jul 08 15:15:31 that sounds good Jul 08 15:16:04 try to get WinSCP to connect (remember port 222) then point it to /media/internal, that's your USB drive Jul 08 15:17:28 you still have to do extra package install to get winscp to work properly Jul 08 15:17:42 oh. wasn't sure of that Jul 08 15:17:45 that same openssh-sftp-server package needs to be installed Jul 08 15:17:55 ipkg-opt install openssh-sftp-server Jul 08 15:18:01 yeah, ran into that about 2 weeks ago Jul 08 15:18:29 AND the profile modification so that /opt/bin is in PATH Jul 08 15:19:05 you can also just use command-line scp if you have cygwin or some other linux shell Jul 08 15:19:07 CreoBrian, follow this one http://predev.wikidot.com/sftp-access Jul 08 15:19:24 thanks Jul 08 15:19:29 can you use cli scp without sftp? I thought scp would work without it Jul 08 15:19:36 which is why I thought winscp would work Jul 08 15:20:01 for some reason, winscp still wants it...it may be because I didn't fiddle with the transfer method and it defaults to sftp Jul 08 15:20:04 so you may be right Jul 08 15:20:27 I'm pretty sure you can use cli scp without the sftp package Jul 08 15:20:38 but, not 100% on that Jul 08 15:20:59 that's what I thought. either way, CreoBrian, finish that tutorial real fast and then let us know Jul 08 15:21:19 after that you can use winSCP or FileZilla if you already have it, to connect Jul 08 15:21:49 note that winscp will complain about 'groups'...just search google for whatever the error text is to fix it Jul 08 15:22:59 unfortunately I recently went through a similar pain. Jul 08 15:23:13 old pre still WORKED but I had switched profiles to replacement pre Jul 08 15:23:32 so old one wouldn't boot, but said on screen I could still connect USB to get files. But USB drive did not connect properly. could have been the water damage Jul 08 15:23:49 the Pre is not water-proof :( Jul 08 15:23:57 ewps Jul 08 15:24:03 but it still worked! ;-) after I dried it out Jul 08 15:24:26 My faith in electronics durability has increased over the years. there's a lot you can do, surprisingly, to bring back water damaged phones Jul 08 15:28:16 Mine would reboot-cycle but I found out it was solely because of the battery Jul 08 15:28:22 the pre will NOT boot without a battery Jul 08 15:28:55 battery killed itself underwater which it was suppose to Jul 08 15:29:22 I'm trying to figure out how to use visudo... I hate vi, which is why i installed nano Jul 08 15:29:34 my girlfriend dropped her centro in a cup of water, 3 times Jul 08 15:29:46 CreoBrian: EDITOR=nano visudo Jul 08 15:29:47 its still alive Jul 08 15:29:58 although there is gunk between the screen Jul 08 15:30:16 ohh brilliant! Jul 08 15:30:27 wooosh that was quicker than expected, 30 mins to rewrite all this code Jul 08 15:30:34 now to debug it Jul 08 15:32:11 hrm Jul 08 15:34:36 wow.. I still cant connect... I'm using FileZill SFTP, is there some reason that wouldnt work once i've followed the tutorial? Jul 08 15:35:44 haha.. port was wrong, forgot a '2' Jul 08 15:35:55 excellent Jul 08 15:36:46 so you getting files now? Jul 08 15:36:57 just have to move to /media/internal and download what you need Jul 08 15:37:03 yep Jul 08 15:37:26 i'm downloading a complete copy of /var/luna/data as well so i've got whatever i need, hopefully Jul 08 15:37:45 good idea Jul 08 15:38:04 sup with port 4444 Jul 08 15:38:05 bbl Jul 08 15:38:11 Thanks to Everyone who's helped me out this morning! Jul 08 15:39:05 I'll have to report in once my Pre comes back from the shop (7 business days :() and let y'all know how the restore went. Jul 08 15:41:04 Good luck CreoBrian ! Jul 08 15:41:15 thanks! ok i'm leavin now. Jul 08 15:41:44 what happened to his pre? Jul 08 15:41:54 broken screen Jul 08 15:42:07 had to transfer files without using touchscreen to put it in USB mode Jul 08 15:43:27 lol did he have root ? Jul 08 15:43:31 yep Jul 08 15:43:33 luckily Jul 08 15:43:36 7 business days? But the pre isn't a REPAIR product. Spring exchanges them. Jul 08 15:43:39 Why 7 days? Jul 08 15:43:59 in my case I had to go through Asurion, who took a week as well Jul 08 15:44:05 he sounded like he was exchanging with palm directly Jul 08 15:44:32 root@castle:/# /usr/lib/storaged/diskmode.sh diskmode is off Jul 08 15:44:41 oh cool Jul 08 15:44:45 now I know :) Jul 08 15:44:55 you can use [on/off] Jul 08 15:45:02 that will control usb mode Jul 08 15:45:17 keeps wifi up too Jul 08 15:46:20 not sure how media works though Jul 08 15:46:22 let me find out Jul 08 15:49:21 make palm update the app store :/ Jul 08 15:49:22 lol Jul 08 15:51:05 Lacutis, ok brb Jul 08 15:52:39 anyone when we're going to see some more apps or updates to the webOS? Jul 08 15:53:34 Palm need to keep this stuff active and exciting ;-) Jul 08 15:58:27 lol Jul 08 15:58:34 i just noticed all time is in UTC Jul 08 15:58:40 duhhh Jul 08 15:58:50 is there any other time :-P Jul 08 15:59:30 yes Jul 08 15:59:37 im not that big of a nerd lol Jul 08 16:00:11 I expect another webos update friday Jul 08 16:00:55 Rick_: you have inside info on that? What do you expect it to possibly address? Jul 08 16:01:19 nope. Jul 08 16:01:20 good thing i use patches :D Jul 08 16:01:23 no insideinfo. Jul 08 16:01:45 no rumors even. It's a "stickingyour finger up in the air" expectation. Jul 08 16:01:46 just a gut feeling Jul 08 16:01:49 nodnod Jul 08 16:02:33 They need to keep the bug fixes coming and feature enhancements Jul 08 16:02:53 I expect a patch to require signed IPK's and check them against palm's directory of registeredsignatures before the end of july. Unrooted users will lose sideload. Jul 08 16:03:06 that's a gut feeling, but I have it. Jul 08 16:03:26 i dont see why people dont root, its spring for godsake, they replace everything Jul 08 16:03:32 its not like we dont have ins Jul 08 16:03:33 and ... I'm off topic for this channel. Jul 08 16:03:44 webos-watercooler Jul 08 16:05:25 Anyone know how where the control is for text size in email? I did the landscape fix but it scale the font size up when you flip. I was hoping it would stay at least at the same size so I would get odd line wraps on certain messages Jul 08 16:05:44 Rick_: how are you off topic? Jul 08 16:07:06 join #webos-watercooler for offtopic discussion Jul 08 16:14:07 So is my email font size off topic? Jul 08 16:16:15 wsup people Jul 08 16:17:33 just had a thought about a ringtone editor app Jul 08 16:17:53 but cant remember that linux cli app that allowed you to crop of certain times of the songs Jul 08 16:28:38 Rick_: why would unrooted users lose sideload with dev mode? they'll push developers away for no good reason if they have to apply for a signed cert for palm before they can even start playing Jul 08 16:30:05 Rick_: besides, unless they kill/ severely cripple novacom I can't see them being able to effectively turn it off Jul 08 16:30:13 there is no "rooting" remember Jul 08 16:30:30 we just give ourselves another way to enter Jul 08 16:30:43 take the bus or ride a bike Jul 08 16:31:20 I expect it'll stay as it is, and maybe, hopefully they'll allow palm-signed intermediate certs to devs who can use them to sign apps that can be downloaded other ways maybe Jul 08 16:32:55 but I can't see the current sdk methods breaking, or if they did, novacom /bin/sh wouldn't so we just add a few lines to whatever tool we put out Jul 08 16:33:28 sounds like engadget rumor mongeting Jul 08 16:34:19 the point I keep trying to make is "rooting" the phone is a misnomer Jul 08 16:34:26 it provides root out of the box Jul 08 16:34:38 just flip on devmode Jul 08 16:35:06 so all the "rooting" stuff you could just call "connecting" Jul 08 16:35:06 we'll see. the logicalthing for them to do about us is nothing. It's not like apple doesn't get jailbroken... so why fight it? Jul 08 16:35:19 Rick_: difference here is there's no jail to begin with Jul 08 16:35:19 but companies so frequently do not do the logical thing. Jul 08 16:35:45 yes, but there could be. They could put out a webos update that put a password on root. Jul 08 16:36:01 but nocavom would let you overwrite it Jul 08 16:36:12 then I guess you'd be "rooting" at least though Jul 08 16:36:54 destinal -- the point is, it's a pointless arms race for them to get into. Apple wastes massive amounts of time and effort on it that palm doesn't have. BUT companies do not always do the logical thing. Jul 08 16:36:59 we need to remember this isn't apple we're dealing with, they haven't shown the slightest inclination to try to rule our phones Jul 08 16:37:10 true enough. Jul 08 16:37:42 destinal, is stand by you on this one ;) Jul 08 16:37:51 webos is dead last with apps Jul 08 16:38:02 trying to control them apple style will do a lot more harm than good Jul 08 16:38:14 blau-mikeDG: they could fix that with a public SDK though Jul 08 16:38:33 dest: tha wouldnt mean theyd be getting into the market tho Jul 08 16:39:03 blau-mikeDG: well, and accept submissions, of course Jul 08 16:39:27 my app is coming along swimingly well Jul 08 16:39:36 i should post some pictures Jul 08 16:39:47 you should Jul 08 16:39:54 add it to the wiki as work in progress Jul 08 16:40:13 hope its better than that precentral crap Jul 08 16:40:28 lol the precentral stuff is reasonable Jul 08 16:40:40 grrr i keep having issues with screen captures Jul 08 16:40:55 are you building in sdk ? Jul 08 16:41:05 as long as the emulator isn't the focused window, screen captures work. Jul 08 16:41:10 yes, so not sure i can release it Jul 08 16:41:21 why would you not be able to? Jul 08 16:41:39 i got that impression from the click through agreement Jul 08 16:41:41 blau-mikeDG: if you're an NDA'd developer the palm catalog is the only way to release an app, you agree not to release it otherwise :( Jul 08 16:42:09 I'm totally against this clause btw Jul 08 16:42:14 precentral crap? -- ::stiffens:: Jul 08 16:42:26 * blau-mikeDG is gonna stick up some pics Jul 08 16:42:54 without written agreement from palm that is Jul 08 16:43:00 wonder how many they will give Jul 08 16:43:19 dilbert app, good. My notifications -- good. Othello (my port by the way) good. Flashlight -- good. Commander -- good. Dots - needs work. Scicalc - pretty good. Jul 08 16:43:46 I have four up there at this point, ranging from rough draft to I'm proud of it. Jul 08 16:43:54 Othello in the latter category. Jul 08 16:44:21 anyone want to help with cpu freq voltages ? Jul 08 16:44:35 we need something better than the wiki at this point Jul 08 16:45:58 and the guy who's working on the home-screen replacement has accomplished some pretty cool stuff. Jul 08 16:46:15 and there's the six-element launch bar. -- and the launch-bar-suppressor. Jul 08 16:46:15 link ? Jul 08 16:47:12 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/189712-my-home-screen-work-progress.html Jul 08 16:47:30 launch-bar-suppressor? Jul 08 16:47:54 suppress the launch bar unless you drag it up. Jul 08 16:47:55 that home screen is just a regular app though isnt it Jul 08 16:48:24 it replaces the bare-wallpaper home screen with launch bar at the bottom when you have dismissed all apps. Jul 08 16:48:25 the quicklaunch thing? Jul 08 16:48:36 blau-mikeDG yes Jul 08 16:49:09 and it also is what displays when you press power from idle before you drag up to unlock. so, uh, no not exactly. Jul 08 16:49:15 http://webos.mikedg.com Jul 08 16:49:18 alpha testers this week. Jul 08 16:50:05 NICE Mike!!! Jul 08 16:50:30 got scheduled items working, just need to come up a test plan to verify though Jul 08 16:51:00 got a way to add a shortcut to the launcher to create a new item for a specific account to make account adding easier, also have auto complete for payee names Jul 08 16:51:19 there's a lot of decent work going on at precentral. Me, I'm using porting old open-source js apps to the pre as a method for me to find the "fussy bits" of the user interface, and DOM support. Jul 08 16:51:52 and I figure, I may as well toss them up as I get them running. Jul 08 16:52:13 i still need to learn more about the structures Jul 08 16:52:17 right now i have tables in a few spots Jul 08 16:52:24 and it seems to be kinda crappy Jul 08 16:52:30 Palm actually suggests using tables for layout. Jul 08 16:52:48 maybe i just need ot learn css formatting then Jul 08 16:52:49 since there are no handicapped user issues, blind people aren't going to be using screen readers on the pre Jul 08 16:53:00 and table based layout is reliable and simple. Jul 08 16:53:30 the real issues are the undocumented limitations for widgets. Jul 08 16:53:38 like on the furthest right picture Jul 08 16:53:43 the ctageory and date go off the screen Jul 08 16:53:50 for example, no amount of css work will allow a mojo widget to be resized below 45 px wide. Jul 08 16:53:52 if theres a long category Jul 08 16:54:16 do you want them to wrap, or slide to the left? Jul 08 16:55:06 truncate, ideally id want them to resize but have the item payee be more important Jul 08 16:55:13 if i sat down and thought about it id probably solve the issue Jul 08 16:55:17 sigh Jul 08 16:55:47 resize -- naa they're already pretty small. Jul 08 16:56:05 not font size Jul 08 16:56:10 truncate right or left side (which is more important: Entertainment or GameStop? Jul 08 16:56:25 gamestop Jul 08 16:56:30 right now its a 2x2 table Jul 08 16:57:41 nodnod Jul 08 16:58:56 so basically if len(cat) > 15 take the right side up to the :and the left side enough too make 13 + ...: and display that.... Jul 08 16:59:32 so you would get Enterta...:GameStop Jul 08 16:59:58 (((yes yes, pixelwidths vary and 15 isn't absolute, but pretty safe.))) Jul 08 17:00:18 I think there's a rendered length function somwehre..... in pixels. but I don't remember it. Jul 08 17:00:40 bbiab lunch appointment. Jul 08 17:08:24 any ui suggestions Jul 08 17:08:51 more professional Jul 08 17:09:01 no offense, too app kiddy for me to use Jul 08 17:12:48 what would make it look more professional Jul 08 17:13:49 yeah, add more padding to your cells Jul 08 17:15:21 ok Jul 08 17:16:46 the back ground could use less green Jul 08 17:16:54 maybe a fade from green to white Jul 08 17:16:55 does webos browser support touchstart/end/move events like iphone? Jul 08 17:26:19 i cant figure out how to cente rthis radio button :( Jul 08 17:31:04 align: center ? Jul 08 17:33:47 Eguy-work, i found some intresting stuff about cpu scaling Jul 08 17:38:15 Really? Jul 08 17:38:24 That is crashes your Pre? :P Jul 08 17:38:28 it* Jul 08 17:39:29 that the pre is missing things needed to even use reflex for core voltages Jul 08 17:39:37 so turning it on does nothing from my findings Jul 08 17:41:58 Same with the LED script Jul 08 17:42:12 The LED just turns on randomly Jul 08 17:43:12 lol Jul 08 17:43:16 on any system event Jul 08 17:43:36 Nope, just randomly Jul 08 17:44:12 The good thing is that the battery is not really affected so when we do get working LED control, it won't make a difference Jul 08 17:48:49 grrr cant get this empty list working Jul 08 17:58:53 i just wonder if there is a possibility to install xorg and xterm or urxvt and then write a little launcher that will run it Jul 08 18:04:39 I've never installed a homebrewed app in my rooted pre and I keep getting a ipkg: invalid magic error. Jul 08 18:05:04 for correct cpu scaling to work it looks like we need to cross compile the kernals Jul 08 18:05:32 before hand I cd to /media/internal and that is where my ipk file is Jul 08 18:06:36 and I then sudo ipkg install filename.ipk Jul 08 18:06:43 and then I get my error Jul 08 18:06:45 is it a signed ipk? Jul 08 18:07:20 it's the mynotification app Jul 08 18:07:34 I'm not sure if it's signed or not Jul 08 18:07:52 ahh, yes, that installs using palm-install but not with ipkg, and I don't know why. Jul 08 18:11:05 so according to the thread i download the zip file and then it sends me to the predev wiki homepage to install Jul 08 18:11:13 I'm not sure what to do with that zip file Jul 08 18:14:19 so you're saying that the current cpu scaling stuff does -nothing- ? Jul 08 18:14:42 correct Jul 08 18:15:09 iamfrontosa you can either use palm-install to install the ipk, or you can unzip the zip and install using copy. Jul 08 18:15:32 from what i can tell yes Jul 08 18:15:40 reflex needs tables to work Jul 08 18:15:42 those arent there Jul 08 18:15:55 blau-mikeDG -- so, why does it crash your pre if you run them and try to do certain things? Jul 08 18:16:20 and what about the nice people who are claiming 2x battery life after installing? Jul 08 18:16:28 the correct thing was a wrong window :) sorry Jul 08 18:18:29 os is the reflex cpu voltages thing a SEPERATE ISSUE from clock frequency? Jul 08 18:20:53 because reading the cpu-scaling thing on precentral, it appears that they are talking about that being two fully seperate things. Jul 08 18:21:02 yes Jul 08 18:21:19 they both should be incorporated together Jul 08 18:21:33 the 3430 can be run at 0v Jul 08 18:21:47 think of the power savings Jul 08 18:21:50 so, the cpu scaling part works. The smartflex you're saying doesn't. Jul 08 18:21:53 well at idle anyway Jul 08 18:21:57 yes Jul 08 18:21:58 yeah... probebly don't get much done at 0 Jul 08 18:22:10 low latency, it can wake up quick Jul 08 18:22:21 That was intended as humor Jul 08 18:24:30 xD Jul 08 18:25:11 A2NY|home -- how to reconcile that with various testomonies like http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/186214-cpu-scaling-14.html#post1735005 Jul 08 18:26:24 or http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/186214-cpu-scaling-14.html#post1736324 Jul 08 18:27:48 that assuming you're doing this: http://blog.noinc.com/?p=124 Jul 08 18:28:07 yes same thing Jul 08 18:28:10 i tried it Jul 08 18:28:18 ok Jul 08 18:28:25 the thing that happens the most is why i made the battery patch Jul 08 18:28:34 and you didn'tget the wonders that they did? Jul 08 18:28:48 % at levels in the UI once you pull the charger Jul 08 18:28:56 so you can be at 95%, pull the charger Jul 08 18:29:04 systemui shows 100 Jul 08 18:29:19 nodnod Jul 08 18:29:22 next time powerd is called you can be down to 90% Jul 08 18:29:42 and then you get 10% in 20min Jul 08 18:30:12 at low to medium usages you should see 30m per 5% Jul 08 18:31:46 k Jul 08 18:37:16 there is this as well Jul 08 18:37:19 - /sys/power/cpuidle_deepest_state Jul 08 18:42:56 interesting conversation... I am wondering how smartreflex works by itself - no ondemand, no overclock. Would be nice if it could save some battery life, and used alone it seems like it could potentially be just as stable as without. Jul 08 18:45:39 no Jul 08 18:45:45 it should work ondemand Jul 08 18:46:00 it should be voltage + ondemand Jul 08 18:47:13 ideally yes but it sounds like ondemand has been quite buggy for folks so far Jul 08 18:47:26 VERY buggy for me Jul 08 18:49:06 hmm i may of found the problem Jul 08 18:49:48 Anyone been messing with USBnet? Seems to be no way to get from the Pre to the host system. Jul 08 18:53:28 usb0 has noarp on Jul 08 18:55:25 ok so look Jul 08 18:55:41 vdd1&2 use tables Jul 08 18:56:10 you turn them on Jul 08 18:56:24 it only sets OPP to 3 Jul 08 18:56:31 it has no tables to work off of Jul 08 18:56:44 VDD1 can use OPP 1,2,3,4,5 Jul 08 18:56:51 VDD2 can use OPP 2,3 Jul 08 19:00:39 bingo! Jul 08 19:00:55 shouldnt the ondemand governor be adjusting those? Jul 08 19:01:13 no, we need to set them Jul 08 19:01:16 thats the problem Jul 08 19:01:19 well maybe Jul 08 19:01:21 let me verify Jul 08 19:02:09 ondemand should be handled by processor Jul 08 19:02:14 or the app that manages it Jul 08 19:02:16 cpufreq Jul 08 19:02:22 as soon as i turn on ondemand i lock up Jul 08 19:02:35 so when there is need for more power cpufreq will boost the speed Jul 08 19:02:43 yes Jul 08 19:03:00 i can last for about 1 day with ondemand, it seems to usually though lock up for me when I'm playing media files or doing heavy usage (multiple pages, chatting etc) Jul 08 19:03:10 I thought that cpufreq+ondemand should be changing the OPP state dynamically, or at least that is what I understood from this PPT deck I got from TI Jul 08 19:04:15 •CPUFreq Driver –Interfaces with shared resource framework to implement an OPP change Jul 08 19:04:43 bsiegel: thats what it should do Jul 08 19:06:16 is the Pre not in fact doing that? Jul 08 19:06:47 well i havent played with cpufreq but from what I see Jul 08 19:07:16 is that I would likely have to recompile the kernel or at least compile few more modules Jul 08 19:07:21 for cpufreq to work well on it Jul 08 19:07:36 anyway I'm thinking about decreasing the speed of cpu from 500mhz to 400mhz Jul 08 19:08:27 ah, yes I did notice some entries in /sys/power that were referenced didnt exist. seems maybe palm did not include everything to support ondemand scaling properly then Jul 08 19:08:39 en0x: why? Jul 08 19:08:43 ifconfig does not indicate NOARP for usb0. I fired up WIreshark on the host, tried ping/telnet/etc, no packets going to the host IP Jul 08 19:09:07 did u turn tcp forwarding? Jul 08 19:09:15 bsiegel: to preserve battery? :( Jul 08 19:09:31 Did not make a difference Jul 08 19:09:32 today I was playing witgh it a little and in 4 hours I got down to 40% from 100% Jul 08 19:09:38 en0x, yes some stuff is missing Jul 08 19:09:52 en0x, did you see my actually battery percent ? Jul 08 19:09:58 actual* Jul 08 19:09:58 nope Jul 08 19:10:17 http://predev.wikidot.com/show-actual-battery-percent Jul 08 19:10:21 hm, mine hasn't been that bad since I signed out of instant messengers Jul 08 19:10:25 yes this patch doesnt work Jul 08 19:10:25 ;p Jul 08 19:10:35 feels like firewall but usb0 is wide open Jul 08 19:10:37 that was by far the largest drain on the battery for me Jul 08 19:10:38 lol now it does Jul 08 19:10:51 i was a dumb ass and used "PREcent" Jul 08 19:11:00 lemme check now Jul 08 19:11:09 its in the repo as well Jul 08 19:12:07 and did you noticed that sometimes you surf web over evdo and somethimes over wifi? Jul 08 19:12:25 no i have not seen that Jul 08 19:12:28 Well when I get home tonight, I think I will give a try to enabling smartreflex and leaving the rest of the settings at their defaults. I'll give it some time and report back. Jul 08 19:14:52 A2NY|pre: http://wklej.org/id/118260/ yap ur patch is great Jul 08 19:14:52 :p Jul 08 19:14:53 how can i show the errordialog in a lightweight app Jul 08 19:14:59 i feel like im missing smoehting obvious Jul 08 19:15:56 and what i also noticed that whem i'm using wifi the signal bars go all the way high Jul 08 19:15:59 wtf Jul 08 19:17:43 lol why did you fail it :( Jul 08 19:18:03 ur patch failed not me Jul 08 19:18:03 grep BATTERY: /var/log/messages | awk '{print $8,$9,$11}' Jul 08 19:18:04 :( Jul 08 19:18:34 do you have a modified file of somesort :( Jul 08 19:18:38 nope Jul 08 19:18:40 A2NY|pre: http://wklej.org/id/118263/ Jul 08 19:19:06 HOLY battery usage Jul 08 19:19:08 41%, 43%_ui, -754mA, Jul 08 19:20:35 oh i know why it failed Jul 08 19:20:36 ;) Jul 08 19:20:45 oh please do fix Jul 08 19:21:06 i tested 3 times before i used it :\ Jul 08 19:24:37 bbiab Jul 08 19:28:26 sprint navigation really sucks battery Jul 08 19:28:43 A2NY|pre: http://wklej.org/id/118270/ thats my patch and it works Jul 08 19:28:45 idk why Jul 08 19:28:46 at least heat wise Jul 08 19:28:55 looks pretty much the same as yours Jul 08 19:29:26 root@castle:/var/home/root# patch -p0 patching file /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/bar-assistant.js Jul 08 19:29:30 root@castle:/var/home/root# Jul 08 19:29:32 works fine Jul 08 19:29:35 time for reboot Jul 08 19:30:35 Robi_: well its better than iphone crap Jul 08 19:31:04 i like the main screen that the other guy is working on Jul 08 19:31:16 i sent him a PM to give me access to it Jul 08 19:31:19 so I could test it Jul 08 19:31:36 cool , why not make the patch quilt compatible Jul 08 19:33:06 coz i dont use it? Jul 08 19:33:07 :P Jul 08 19:33:32 anyway the web based terminalls suck ass Jul 08 19:33:49 no its cli Jul 08 19:34:25 any news on attempts to get a plugin that let's apps show through into mojo? Jul 08 19:35:13 dont think so Jul 08 19:49:29 i have to ask en0x Jul 08 19:49:42 why are you commenting lines if its a patch, just for your ref ? Jul 08 19:49:52 yes Jul 08 19:49:57 gotcha Jul 08 19:50:05 in case i need to reverse it easy to find Jul 08 19:50:21 but still i dont know why ur patch isnt working Jul 08 19:50:21 patch fails to pop Jul 08 19:50:21 :S Jul 08 19:52:54 hmm Jul 08 19:53:04 whats going on here "handlePowerNotifications: function(paylo" Jul 08 19:54:39 probably it's the thing that handles the popup if battery is at 20% or so Jul 08 19:54:54 no in my patch Jul 08 19:54:59 i havent lookd deep into it anyway i hate javascript Jul 08 19:55:03 oh havent noticed it Jul 08 19:55:14 http://predev.wikidot.com/show-actual-battery-percent Jul 08 19:55:52 ur diff failed Jul 08 19:55:52 ;P Jul 08 19:56:02 i guess Jul 08 19:56:31 Is there anyway to subscribe to get an email notification when something gets updated/added to gitorious.org? Jul 08 19:56:38 because my crap is working fine if you want to you can remove the lines with // and post it up to ya Jul 08 19:56:43 or do you just have to check daily? Jul 08 19:56:52 HebrewzHammer: isnt there a rss feed? Jul 08 19:57:05 eno: i didn't see, i'll look again Jul 08 19:57:30 en0x: awesome, there is! Thanx Jul 08 19:57:36 [; Jul 08 19:57:39 n/p Jul 08 19:58:11 //Get the Carrier Name by querying the Carrier DB Jul 08 19:58:13 oh fancy :) Jul 08 19:58:30 yes Jul 08 19:58:53 A2NY|pre: if u get rid of "handlePowerNotifications: function(paylo Jul 08 19:58:59 it works ? Jul 08 19:59:00 your patch should apply just fine Jul 08 19:59:04 yeah thats what i thought Jul 08 19:59:07 stupid Jul 08 19:59:29 i dont know how ppl can screw patches Jul 08 19:59:29 :p Jul 08 19:59:36 i wonder if that got pushed to git then too Jul 08 19:59:42 damnit lol Jul 08 19:59:45 A2NY|home: just installed ur battery % mod. nice work, thanx. Jul 08 19:59:48 phone = hates me Jul 08 19:59:54 diff -Nuar /path/to/orig/file /path/to/modified/file > file.patch Jul 08 19:59:55 ;D Jul 08 19:59:58 HebrewzHammer, did you use the patch ? Jul 08 20:00:06 A2NY|home: yup Jul 08 20:00:09 hahahahahha Jul 08 20:00:17 en0x, get out of here Jul 08 20:00:21 :P Jul 08 20:00:24 i dont know how people can mess up patches :P Jul 08 20:00:34 me neighter Jul 08 20:00:41 :P Jul 08 20:00:41 ? Jul 08 20:00:47 well its 4pm Jul 08 20:00:48 en0x couldnt install it Jul 08 20:00:51 time to go home Jul 08 20:00:52 oh, lol Jul 08 20:00:56 A2NY|home: because it fails man Jul 08 20:00:57 so he blamed me Jul 08 20:01:04 ask HebrewzHammer, it works Jul 08 20:01:11 how did u applied it? Jul 08 20:01:21 patch -p0 :> Jul 08 20:01:23 lol, i just followed the instructions on the wiki and it works perfectly Jul 08 20:01:30 yay! Jul 08 20:01:32 en0x: you reboot ur phone? Jul 08 20:01:39 yes Jul 08 20:01:41 he made his own like it Jul 08 20:01:45 it just wouldnt apply Jul 08 20:01:54 oh Jul 08 20:02:00 A2NY|home: it fails and I showed u the errors Jul 08 20:02:02 1 for 2 Jul 08 20:02:07 well i'm out anyway Jul 08 20:02:09 i know Jul 08 20:02:11 when I get back home Jul 08 20:02:18 i will prove to u that ur patch if fubar Jul 08 20:02:19 :p Jul 08 20:02:23 s/if/is Jul 08 20:02:29 i'm still working on my first mod, js and css are kicking my ass! i've only ever used C and Java Jul 08 20:02:37 * en0x & Jul 08 20:02:38 %s/if/is/G ? Jul 08 20:04:09 HebrewzHammer -- that would warp your brain. Jul 08 20:04:59 wha? Jul 08 20:05:11 using C and Java. Not good for humanity. Jul 08 20:05:15 lol Jul 08 20:05:34 its what microprocs use, i cant help it Jul 08 20:05:53 i've never really done any web programming since basic html in high school, lol Jul 08 20:06:22 Jul 08 20:06:26 done! Jul 08 20:06:26 html, css, and javascript _inherently_ seperate presentation, layout, and process. This is a -good- thing. It takes the idea of objectness in java and goes a whole layer further making layout, presentation and process unto utterly different files. Jul 08 20:06:53 naaa you need two more tags. Jul 08 20:07:32 i've had to use a bunch of languages before but it wasn't bad b/c the syntax was similar. But it seems like js and css are really different, so i'm just trying to follow simple apps and see how they work. Jul 08 20:07:52 i'm eventually trying to mod the calendar app, but that a while off. Jul 08 20:08:02 whats the webos help channel? Jul 08 20:08:19 #webos Jul 08 20:08:27 thank u Jul 08 20:10:34 u there hammer? Jul 08 20:11:10 yea Jul 08 20:11:11 hey can someone give some advice about a failed patch/hack? Jul 08 20:11:23 help him first Jul 08 20:11:31 I can try, i'm no expert. Jul 08 20:11:35 A2NY|pre: u still there? Jul 08 20:12:13 I dont have a pre yet but I was messing around with the sdk and tried to add the global search addons Jul 08 20:12:30 what happened? Jul 08 20:12:33 lol this is what happended http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7021/searchaddonsfail.jpg Jul 08 20:12:46 D : Jul 08 20:13:07 wow Jul 08 20:13:11 I didnt do step 5 bc I couldnt fine where the image should go Jul 08 20:13:18 http://predev.wikidot.com/global-search-addons Jul 08 20:13:32 that might be it but does it need an image to work? Jul 08 20:13:52 yes Jul 08 20:14:04 anyway it was fun, not like I cant install another vm Jul 08 20:14:13 do any of the search add-ons work? Jul 08 20:14:20 can u still click on them? Jul 08 20:14:25 they used to Jul 08 20:14:31 when it was working Jul 08 20:14:53 thats my launcher remember Jul 08 20:14:57 did you make a backup of the file you edited? Jul 08 20:14:59 all my apps are gone Jul 08 20:15:04 ouch Jul 08 20:15:09 no :D Jul 08 20:15:10 yikes Jul 08 20:15:21 well, atleast its the emulator Jul 08 20:15:29 yeah so no worries Jul 08 20:15:38 i'd go over all the steps in the wiki again and make sure everything is right Jul 08 20:15:39 ok, well, lesson 1. Before editing a file in linux, cp ./oldfilename ./oldfilename.safe Jul 08 20:15:41 Not only does it need an image, but that looks exactly like the problem I had when I put an add on under twitter Jul 08 20:15:48 di you type everything in or copy/paste? Jul 08 20:16:07 yeah, joesmith you can't delete twitter, and you can't put something below it. Jul 08 20:16:10 or it borks Jul 08 20:16:28 copy paste / typed about 50/50 Jul 08 20:16:42 I think I put it above twitter? Jul 08 20:16:47 k Jul 08 20:16:53 Rick_: quick question: what does that '+' next to ur name mean? admin? Jul 08 20:17:10 means he has some op privegees Jul 08 20:17:12 i think Jul 08 20:17:18 thats what i thought Jul 08 20:17:25 means "voiced" -- which means different things in different rooms, but it means I have some op privlidges like I can shut someone up. Jul 08 20:17:36 so before I go bricking my real phone how do I make a backup? Jul 08 20:17:37 i know i always make stupid mistakes when typing, i'd go back and double check everything Jul 08 20:17:37 or rather I can msg chanserv to do so. Jul 08 20:17:49 before editing any file type Jul 08 20:18:00 cp oldfilename oldfilename.safe Jul 08 20:18:05 this making a safety copy Jul 08 20:18:12 joesmith: here --> http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods Jul 08 20:18:20 hebrew? Jul 08 20:18:26 D3fPo3t: yo Jul 08 20:18:36 if i give u error codes can u tell me what i did wrong? Jul 08 20:19:12 Rick_ will be able to help alot more than I can, but go ahead. Someone will prob. be able to help Jul 08 20:19:19 kk Jul 08 20:19:19 sudo: parse error in /opt/etc/sudoers near line 31 Jul 08 20:19:20 sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting Jul 08 20:19:32 there ae alot more above that but im not flooding the channel Jul 08 20:19:37 u just rooting ur pre? Jul 08 20:19:43 2 days ago Jul 08 20:19:50 so what were you doing? Jul 08 20:19:54 i can change things by telneting in but not ssh'ing Jul 08 20:19:59 ok Jul 08 20:20:08 did you do dropbear or openssh? Jul 08 20:20:23 open i sure Jul 08 20:20:41 ok. Is openssh running? Jul 08 20:20:52 yeah i can ssh in Jul 08 20:21:07 ok Jul 08 20:21:08 but i get another error when tring to sudo or mount Jul 08 20:21:13 ah Jul 08 20:21:32 * D3fPo3t follod wiki to a tee Jul 08 20:21:49 dont know what i did wrong and google turns up nothing : ( Jul 08 20:22:00 oh I took a snapshot before I went messing everything up Jul 08 20:22:00 well Jul 08 20:22:03 it's in sudo. Jul 08 20:22:10 so, let's try this. Jul 08 20:22:21 D3fPo3t: u try rebooting? just for the hell of it Jul 08 20:22:25 yupp Jul 08 20:22:32 and restoring and rerooting Jul 08 20:22:46 and tried different pres Jul 08 20:23:04 u try using an image? Jul 08 20:23:11 o.0? Jul 08 20:23:23 i meant, step 5 Jul 08 20:23:25 is there any tutorial I can execute from the wiki on the emulator Jul 08 20:23:28 * D3fPo3t goes to read Jul 08 20:23:37 do ipkg-opt list_installed Jul 08 20:23:42 ok Jul 08 20:23:57 joesmith: should beb able to do anything to the emulator u can do to a real PRe Jul 08 20:24:02 is sudo listed? Jul 08 20:24:14 yexs Jul 08 20:24:26 HebrewzHammer not quite. The emulatoris running on an 8086 linux, not an arm linux, so binaries don't work. Jul 08 20:24:44 ok D3fPo3t ipkg-opt remove sudo then ipkg-opt install sudo Jul 08 20:24:47 hebrewxhammer: where can I find applauncher images Jul 08 20:24:50 kk Jul 08 20:24:55 oh, woops. disregard.....everything i say Jul 08 20:25:08 done! Jul 08 20:25:14 lol Jul 08 20:25:20 lol Jul 08 20:25:22 ok so what can I do to get some practice? Jul 08 20:25:46 ls -all /opt/etc/sudoers Jul 08 20:26:00 done Jul 08 20:26:01 D3fPo3t: i just made mine Jul 08 20:26:06 and what did it say? Jul 08 20:26:25 D3fPo3t: maybe search around the forum Jul 08 20:26:27 1 root root 715 Dec 24 2008 /opt/etc/sudoers Jul 08 20:26:30 i ahve Jul 08 20:26:35 have and other forums Jul 08 20:26:48 woops, i'm talking to the wrong person, lol Jul 08 20:26:54 XD Jul 08 20:27:08 joesmith: search the forum or you could make ur own app images Jul 08 20:27:21 D3fPo3t cat /etc/opt/sudoers Jul 08 20:27:23 i'm going to go nap before i hurt myself Jul 08 20:27:27 cya Jul 08 20:27:41 byes Jul 08 20:28:20 cat: can't open '/etc/opt/sudoers': No such file or directory Jul 08 20:28:21 do you think if I try the addon again it might work? or is the image fundamental for them to work? Jul 08 20:28:32 its fundemental Jul 08 20:28:39 awww Jul 08 20:28:42 he said it earlyier Jul 08 20:29:20 D3fPo3t that's odd, ls just listed it. Jul 08 20:29:23 for future note all addons need to be above twitter? Jul 08 20:29:28 i know Jul 08 20:29:47 i get same thign when trying to set freqency nothing is listed Jul 08 20:29:51 ok Jul 08 20:30:17 chmod /etc/opt/sudoers Jul 08 20:30:42 ok Jul 08 20:30:43 done Jul 08 20:30:46 ?? Jul 08 20:31:28 cam up with a buncf stuff Jul 08 20:31:40 mainly -r stuff Jul 08 20:32:29 uh Jul 08 20:32:37 sudoers is a DIRECTORY? Jul 08 20:33:02 doh Jul 08 20:33:12 its there Jul 08 20:33:49 * D3fPo3t thinks he pre hates him Jul 08 20:35:03 sudoers should not be a directory Jul 08 20:35:10 back Jul 08 20:35:15 hey me too Jul 08 20:35:30 right - and it's not Jul 08 20:35:41 chmod 448 /opt/etc/sudoers Jul 08 20:35:51 448? Jul 08 20:36:02 it's what the script says..... Jul 08 20:36:10 i thought it was 440 Jul 08 20:36:10 in http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting Jul 08 20:36:13 invalid mode: 448 Jul 08 20:36:18 440 Jul 08 20:36:18 I was wondering. When a patch is updated, how do you make quilt update the patch on my Pre? Jul 08 20:36:19 duh Jul 08 20:36:22 bbiab Jul 08 20:36:46 quilt pull Jul 08 20:37:09 that shpul pull the latest from the git repo Jul 08 20:37:15 oh, that updates everything? Jul 08 20:37:16 git pull*** Jul 08 20:37:27 sweet Jul 08 20:37:49 <--- never used linux Jul 08 20:38:07 * D3fPo3t never used sudo in linux Jul 08 20:38:39 lol Jul 08 20:40:04 does anyone know how I can get an mp3 into the emulator? Jul 08 20:42:48 u can use sftp or putty into it Jul 08 20:43:27 well screw it i got down one thingi wanted with out sudo ! Jul 08 20:44:24 ? Jul 08 20:54:18 D3fPo3t, does just regular old 'su -' work? Jul 08 20:54:31 that's what I always used until browbeaten by everyone in here ;) Jul 08 20:54:41 oh, he's gone Jul 08 20:55:08 I SCP into the emulator but where would I throw an mp3? Jul 08 20:55:23 -media/internal Jul 08 20:56:08 I dont see media folder should I make one? Jul 08 20:56:41 it's /media Jul 08 20:56:58 lol found it Jul 08 21:26:41 I was wondering...... now I know this is probably going to sound retarded but... is there someway that you could take the emulator files that make it built in rooted with ssh dropbear and port them to a stock pre.... basically making a app/simple "root my pre" easy root and ssh solution? Jul 08 21:34:44 sure, but why ? Jul 08 21:35:13 wait Jul 08 21:35:16 for ease of the general public Jul 08 21:35:25 f- the GP Jul 08 21:35:28 this isnt windows Jul 08 21:37:13 If it could be done and simply achieved, I think alot of people would be happy Jul 08 21:37:27 I know it sounds retarded Jul 08 21:37:51 what is the idea ? Jul 08 21:38:44 oh - an image that has ssh already installed Jul 08 21:39:07 yes Jul 08 21:39:19 with just a simple transfer Jul 08 21:39:26 so a doctor with ssh prebuilt ? Jul 08 21:39:31 yes Jul 08 21:39:34 we were discussing this before Jul 08 21:39:42 sorry Jul 08 21:39:46 I dindt know Jul 08 21:39:50 lol you werent here, no big Jul 08 21:39:56 have options Jul 08 21:40:04 someone could write a very very very simple script which uses novacomd to do most everything you need to do Jul 08 21:40:04 select dropbear/openssh, patches, etc... Jul 08 21:40:39 that sounds nice Jul 08 21:42:22 has anyone done that/ or is working on it Jul 08 21:42:49 i'm probably stealing thunder from destinal, but he figured out how to draw in a luna card using a plugin like how classic does it Jul 08 21:43:17 cool Jul 08 21:43:47 joesmith, in all honesty - i tend to think it's better if people who can't follow the wiki instructions just didn't have that type of access to their pre ... Jul 08 21:44:04 I agree Jul 08 21:44:15 but why not make something easy? Jul 08 21:44:23 it's not like palm really put up any hurdles for us to begin with Jul 08 21:44:40 sorry easier/ super easy Jul 08 21:45:19 you can feel free to automate the procedure more than it already is if you like :) Jul 08 21:45:47 I bet I couldnt...... Jul 08 21:46:04 I am not discounting what has been done I tink it is amazing Jul 08 21:47:01 I thought if the emulator had dropbear how hard would it be to copy the necesary files to a stock pre Jul 08 21:47:05 i wouldn't give up on yourself so easily! i'd wager money that anyone who really wanted to do something could in here ;) Jul 08 21:47:20 emulator runs a different cpu architecture than the stock pre Jul 08 21:47:53 your right I never thought of that Jul 08 21:48:42 I think that if something I know works could be used, instead of me messing something up on an actual pre, why not try Jul 08 21:49:20 understandable - but you should try things on your pre as well Jul 08 21:49:24 ah ha! Jul 08 21:49:31 I guess I just dont want to mess up my phone lol Jul 08 21:49:31 bingo was his name-o Jul 08 21:50:04 http://webos.pastebin.com/m852108c Jul 08 21:50:05 joesmith, it'll be relatively difficult to mess up the phone Jul 08 21:50:27 ? Jul 08 21:50:41 the kernel config ? Jul 08 21:51:06 yes Jul 08 21:51:19 what's bingo ? Jul 08 21:51:28 cpu ondemand scaling Jul 08 21:51:31 if ondemand is used Jul 08 21:51:40 vdd1_opp needs to be 1 Jul 08 21:51:45 vdd2_opp needs to be 2 Jul 08 21:52:28 oh Jul 08 21:52:29 ok Jul 08 21:53:28 this is per TI Jul 08 21:54:05 neat Jul 08 21:54:37 Anyone here using pssh Jul 08 21:54:39 ? Jul 08 21:54:57 very :D Jul 08 21:55:02 arent there jailbreak iphones programs that only require clicking? Jul 08 21:55:13 APPLE Jul 08 21:55:59 my point is couldnt something relativly similar be applied to the pre Jul 08 21:56:27 joesmith, absolutely Jul 08 21:56:29 yes Jul 08 21:56:43 a2ny, which scaling voltages does vdd1 and vdd2 set ? Jul 08 21:57:09 and could the emulator files be useful in developing this tool? Jul 08 21:57:20 this is for ondemand Jul 08 21:57:47 joesmith, interesting why you keep bringing up the emulator ... why is that ? Jul 08 21:57:53 joesmith, all you would need is to implement it in a webos doc Jul 08 21:58:04 emulator = gods gift ? Jul 08 21:58:06 I am onetrack minded I guess Jul 08 21:58:19 I'll tell you what would be a good tool to develop... A terminal program! :0D Jul 08 21:58:32 zeno, novaterm works very well! Jul 08 21:58:54 it think a vnc program would be cool Jul 08 21:59:21 joesmith, get one going on the emulator :) Jul 08 21:59:35 Yeah, I ment a local terminal.. Jul 08 21:59:49 CONFIG_OMAP3ES2_VDD1_OPP4=y Jul 08 22:00:03 zeno, yep - it would be nice .. Jul 08 22:00:05 which is weird because default is 3, which cat shows Jul 08 22:00:21 have any of you installed the global search addons? Jul 08 22:01:07 i have not Jul 08 22:01:23 in the example they are installed after twitter, but I think rick said the need to be before? Jul 08 22:03:02 try them out Jul 08 22:03:39 first time after twitter http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7021/searchaddonsfail.jpg Jul 08 22:03:58 bear in mind that is the launcher not the web app Jul 08 22:04:07 all apps gone Jul 08 22:04:24 I am going to try again before twitter Jul 08 22:06:44 awesome Jul 08 22:09:36 gola folks Jul 08 22:10:13 hola even Jul 08 22:24:29 changes made to the kernal config are exc on reboot ? Jul 08 22:24:57 exc? Jul 08 22:25:08 excecuted, loaded, etc... Jul 08 22:25:11 the kernel has to be compiled to chage the config Jul 08 22:25:49 ok Jul 08 22:26:10 but once i change it i can make Jul 08 22:26:20 then place back in boot path ? Jul 08 22:27:56 to replace the kernel? I have no idea Jul 08 22:28:06 ah fuck it Jul 08 22:28:10 ill break something anyways Jul 08 22:28:19 i void warranties, lets do it Jul 08 22:28:30 id really like to get CPU scaling correct Jul 08 22:28:46 haha live on the edge! Jul 08 22:28:58 :D it worked it worked!!! Jul 08 22:29:34 someone needs to edit that wiki global addons search Jul 08 22:30:10 the current instructions are a bit off Jul 08 22:30:34 then fix it Jul 08 22:30:40 your reg on wikidot yet ? Jul 08 22:32:16 what worked? Jul 08 22:46:26 how do you edit the wiki? Jul 08 22:59:59 joesmith you need to get a wikidot account and then either apply on the wiki page or mention it here and an admin will give you edit access. Jul 08 23:00:20 Woo! Git works finally, calendar patch is up Jul 08 23:09:05 joesmith: I've /msg'd you the wiki password. Jul 08 23:11:11 thanks Jul 08 23:12:21 rwhitby, turns out my problem was with git and not the ssh related part. I deleted the modifications directory and redid the clone. Jul 08 23:18:04 anyone using pssh? Jul 08 23:20:39 hey Jul 08 23:20:46 you use pssh? Jul 08 23:21:03 * zeno| is trying to find someone using it successfuly Jul 08 23:27:06 heh... I just realized I didn't actually change my password, as I forgot to re-mount / as rw Jul 08 23:27:15 * zeno| == idiot Jul 08 23:28:02 I just tried pssh. Jul 08 23:29:24 Bugger! Classic just crashed luna :( Jul 08 23:29:33 Was listening to a book at the time. :) Jul 08 23:33:43 Yeah, working nice for me now Jul 08 23:33:57 how much is clasic, you know? Jul 08 23:34:38 I'm riding on the free trial.. but having a term is worth a purchase I think.. Jul 08 23:39:16 zeno|: there will be native terminal programs inside luna soon, I'm sure. not trying to downplay classic, it's definitely a cool app if you want to run palmos stuff Jul 08 23:40:42 You working on one, destinal? Jul 08 23:40:54 So hey, quick question. I'm trying to apply the browser patch to enable downloads and I get this error: malformed patch at line 140, any thoughts? Jul 08 23:41:08 zeno|: yes Jul 08 23:42:03 zeno|: I've got a lot to learn in terms of graphical frameworks and terminal emulation so I do hope other interested parties will join me :) Jul 08 23:42:46 I just tried to remount ro and I got this error? Jul 08 23:42:48 mounting /dev/root on / failed: Device or resource busy Jul 08 23:42:56 any ideas? Jul 08 23:43:10 If I were up on javascript, I would help. ;0p Jul 08 23:43:22 zeno|: c++ Jul 08 23:43:26 zeno|: not javascript Jul 08 23:43:37 I know some c++ :0) Jul 08 23:43:37 well the front end mojo piece will be js Jul 08 23:43:44 but all the heavy lifting is c++ Jul 08 23:44:51 Joesmith, what changes were you making before going back to ro? Jul 08 23:45:03 just some more addons Jul 08 23:45:27 It'll do that if a file is still open, but thats all I can think of Jul 08 23:45:48 is the filesystem full? Jul 08 23:46:04 hmm I dont thonk so Jul 08 23:46:17 whats the command to check ? Jul 08 23:46:25 df -h Jul 08 23:47:01 nope not full Jul 08 23:47:12 hrmm.. Jul 08 23:47:13 joesmith: what was the command you ran? Jul 08 23:47:28 mount -o remount,ro / Jul 08 23:47:57 Twez or whoever was having the browser dl issue.. what's on that line? Jul 08 23:48:36 do I just wait until its un busy? Jul 08 23:48:49 try it again Jul 08 23:48:53 or can I power off? Jul 08 23:49:04 still busy Jul 08 23:49:42 what were to happen if I shutdown Jul 08 23:49:54 are you sure there's no typo? An extra space? A missing comma? Jul 08 23:50:08 not sure but I will check Jul 08 23:50:23 I checked once but I will do it again Jul 08 23:50:51 tweak`: have you checked line 140? Jul 08 23:51:35 tweak`: in vi, you can simply do ':140' Jul 08 23:52:24 joesmith: a reboot wouldn't hurt anything, but it shouldn't be nessisary Jul 08 23:53:52 I verified code it looks fine Jul 08 23:54:40 if I reboot then mount as ro would that work out? Jul 08 23:54:55 it should boot it ro Jul 08 23:54:57 then reboot again Jul 08 23:55:09 so you shouldn't need to change it Jul 08 23:55:13 ok well I might as well try Jul 08 23:55:17 here it goes Jul 09 00:01:03 joesmith: like I said before, when it comes back up it should already be back in ro... Jul 09 00:01:29 I would check the app you tried to add before getting that error and see if it works Jul 09 00:01:40 yeah it was ro Jul 09 00:01:49 I checked the code 3rd time Jul 09 00:01:51 lol Jul 09 00:01:56 missed a letter Jul 09 00:01:59 hehe Jul 09 00:02:09 hahaha.. cool deal Jul 09 00:02:28 dont you love failing three times Jul 09 00:03:10 the other day I was looking for my milk and I couldnd find it for 10 minutes when it was where I always keep it Jul 09 00:03:23 :/ Jul 09 00:03:24 I spent all day thinking pssh was broke, when in actuality, I just forgot to mount / rw before trying to change my password to something pre-keyboard friendly Jul 09 00:03:48 so don't feel too bad Jul 09 00:06:38 has anyone tried to ssh via classic? Jul 09 00:43:56 I have a few questions about the Pre... Jul 09 00:44:13 Is there anyone in the house today? Jul 09 00:44:20 so I'm publishing my working sample browser plugin to get and I wondered if anyone had any ideas on the directory layout. I was thinking of something like org.webosinternals.helloplugin (the mojo app) and org.webosinternals.basicplugin (the c++ plugin), but maybe that's kind of confusing... Jul 09 00:44:26 PreNovice: some people are here Jul 09 00:44:41 s/to get/to git/ Jul 09 00:44:43 first, has the mojo sdk gone public yet? Jul 09 00:45:04 nope, only to early access applicatnts Jul 09 00:45:30 ok, second, is the java pre enabled, or is there the future possibility of this if not already? Jul 09 00:45:39 is the pre java enabled* Jul 09 00:46:14 PreNovice: the pre runs java, but not in the browser as there is no java browser plugin yet (someone correct me if I'm wrong) Jul 09 00:46:27 that's right Jul 09 00:46:28 so java is used only for back end services Jul 09 00:46:51 thanks, two more things, first one... does java support flash, or will it in the future (most notably wondering for google maps street view... currently unable to view street view on the pre) Jul 09 00:47:08 there's no flash plugin either Jul 09 00:47:09 yet Jul 09 00:47:24 ok, but it does sound like there is hope for java and flash to come? Jul 09 00:47:33 they keep saying q4 for flash Jul 09 00:47:41 not sure about java Jul 09 00:48:00 thanks... one last thing... is there any underground development or any releases of an on-screen keyboard software yet? Jul 09 00:48:05 hi Jul 09 00:48:33 PreNovice: I haven't heard of any. and pretty much everything here is aboveground Jul 09 00:48:34 ;) Jul 09 00:49:06 community projects work better done out in the open in our opinion Jul 09 00:49:07 man i got an email that cant send and i get a notification every 30 seconds and i cant get rid of it :/ Jul 09 00:49:09 okay, i don't know why i said underground, i just meant anyone who had gone through the rooting and has been making their own apps and stuff Jul 09 00:49:22 then this would be the channel for you Jul 09 00:49:32 PreNovice: ah Jul 09 00:49:56 well thanks for all the info everyone, especially destinal and jackieripper Jul 09 00:50:15 you're welcome Jul 09 00:50:21 :) Jul 09 00:59:25 I replaced my Pre and I need to root my new one. I have Windows 7 64-bit and I do have the Pre Emulator running in the WinXP Virtual Machine. I have successfully installed apps using it, so I know it detects my Pre just fine. Is it possible to root my phone using this set up or will I need to obtain a regular XP machine and root it like I did last time? Jul 09 01:00:11 why did you have to replace your pre? Jul 09 01:01:38 it was shutting down several times a day when closing the slider Jul 09 01:01:50 I used the paper trick and it minimized the problems, but it was a perfect solution. Jul 09 01:01:59 WillJitsu: man, the QA problems keep coming Jul 09 01:02:21 WillJitsu: I've heard you can do it in XP in a VM Jul 09 01:02:44 and if you've installed apps it should certainly work Jul 09 01:02:56 installing apps uses novacom as does the terminal session stuff Jul 09 01:04:25 so do I need to install dropbear like I did last time? the instructions are a bit confusing about that Jul 09 01:05:25 WillJitsu: if you want to use ssh specifically you should install dropbear or openssh Jul 09 01:05:36 dropbear is lighter weight Jul 09 01:05:51 ssh is the best way to make future changes after rooting it, correct? Jul 09 01:06:11 it's the most universal way to get a remote shell on the box yeah Jul 09 01:06:25 and a lot of the future changes are best done from a shell Jul 09 01:06:29 for now Jul 09 01:07:11 you can also scp (but not sftp) to the phone that way also Jul 09 01:07:49 openssh gives you sftp but takes more memory so most of us use dropbear. you could use the winscp client for instance on windows. Jul 09 01:08:31 which works fine with dropbear Jul 09 01:08:57 yeah that's what I did with my last Pre Jul 09 01:09:10 the main thing I need to do on this one is enable the Roam Only option Jul 09 01:09:13 yeah, it's all still the same techniques basically Jul 09 01:16:24 whats the benifit of roam only? Jul 09 01:17:14 where I sit at work, my phone cycles between 0 and 1 bars on the Sprint network Jul 09 01:17:25 if I can force it to Roam Only, it'll connect to another tower and have full signal Jul 09 01:17:37 every once in a while it'll grab that other tower, but it usually tries to connect to the Sprint network Jul 09 01:17:38 I see Jul 09 01:18:19 I happen to live in an area where sprint beats the pants off all other 3g network speeds Jul 09 01:18:20 or use dropbear and install openssh-sftp-server and get the best of both worlds. small normal memory footprint, and an sftp server when you need it Jul 09 01:18:21 joesmith: In my office, if I have it on auto, I use Verizon, until I go down the hall. Then I switch to Sprint. The handoffs usually do not go smoothly Jul 09 01:18:44 rwhitby: aha. clever Jul 09 01:19:08 on this page: http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting - I changed the optware/cs08q1armel to optware/i686g25 since I obtained root through the emulator. when I try running that, I get this: wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Jul 09 01:19:09 we probably should just do that by default on the dropbear wiki page Jul 09 01:19:13 is that address incorrect? Jul 09 01:19:38 WillJitsu: what's the full feed address you're using? cut and paste it please Jul 09 01:19:51 wget http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/i686g25/cross/stable/ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk Jul 09 01:20:20 I was wondering what benifit of apache on the pre besides the "we have apache on our pre" gloat Jul 09 01:20:21 WillJitsu: that does not exist Jul 09 01:20:30 WillJitsu: s/stable/unstable/ Jul 09 01:20:37 WillJitsu: which page still has stable on it? Jul 09 01:22:16 rwhitby: hmmm /unstable seems to be the only one with files Jul 09 01:22:36 WillJitsu: correct, there is no stable feed for i686g25 Jul 09 01:22:48 I've fixed the wiki page so it no longer references stable for anything Jul 09 01:23:13 so if I do use the emulator method, I must use that i686g25 feed, correct? Jul 09 01:23:18 yes Jul 09 01:23:35 and in all future sessions, I'll have to connect through the emulator instead of regular ssh? Jul 09 01:23:38 WillJitsu: there is actually a script which will set up optware on the emulator Jul 09 01:24:05 http://nslu2-linux.dyoung-mirror.net/feeds/optware/pre-emulator/cross/unstable/ Jul 09 01:24:34 get the .xsh file from in there (it's a shell script containing binary data) and go "sh " Jul 09 01:24:47 http://nslu2-linux.dyoung-mirror.net/feeds/optware/pre-emulator/cross/unstable/pre-emulator-bootstrap_1.2-5_i686.xsh Jul 09 01:25:10 oh, that should be http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre-emulator/cross/unstable/pre-emulator-bootstrap_1.2-5_i686.xsh Jul 09 01:25:16 don't reference the mirror directly Jul 09 01:25:29 with dydns+lamp could one host webpages on your phone to the cloud? Jul 09 01:26:05 so from the prompt, I can do "wget http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre-emulator/cross/unstable/pre-emulator-bootstrap_1.2-5_i686.xsh" and then "sh pre-emulator-bootstrap_1.2-5_i686.xsh" ? Jul 09 01:26:26 yep Jul 09 01:26:50 thats pretty cool I guess Jul 09 01:27:00 do I need to undo the steps I took in 2a? Jul 09 01:27:26 joesmith: only reason to use apache rather than one of the other lighter web servers in optware would be for ssl client (not server) certificate authentication. Jul 09 01:28:20 WillJitsu: for the emulator, you will want to create a new virtual hard disk in VirtualBox, then add that to the Pre emulator config, then mount it in /etc/fstab as /opt Jul 09 01:28:32 I'd suggest 2GB for the new virtual disk Jul 09 01:30:02 when creating patches, the instructions say, "You need to change application_name to the leaf of the palm application id." Jul 09 01:30:29 rwhitby: so wouldn't it be smarter to obtain root the original way? that way, I could ssh into my phone from any computer and not need the emulator installed. correct? Jul 09 01:30:33 how should I handle a patch that modifies 2 applications? Jul 09 01:31:29 willjitsu: what are you doing? Jul 09 01:31:32 brb Jul 09 01:31:51 joesmith: I'm doing it through the emulator Jul 09 01:32:10 but i don't want to be tied down to using the emulator everytime I want to make changes to the phone in the future Jul 09 01:32:11 are you rooting through the emulator? Jul 09 01:32:29 getting root through the emulator takes 2 seconds... you just connect to a certain port as root Jul 09 01:32:55 I mean what are you doing to your phone through the emulator? Jul 09 01:33:27 I want to get root, set up ssh, and then enable roam only. that's all I want to do right now. in the future I'll probably do other stuff. Jul 09 01:34:03 and you can use the emulator, to alter the files on the actual pre? Jul 09 01:34:22 that is my understanding Jul 09 01:34:41 I'm just following the wiki Jul 09 01:35:01 joesmith: http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting - read the 4th paragraph Jul 09 01:35:14 um, you cannot use the emulator to change files on the pre Jul 09 01:35:39 you may be able to use the emulator (if it has a recent enough webOS version, I dunno) to make patches, and then apply those patches to a real Pre Jul 09 01:36:00 so why does it say you can obtain root through it and skip all the steps on that page? Jul 09 01:36:27 WillJitsu: I don't understand what you are asking Jul 09 01:36:44 the emulator has a filesystem, the Pre has a filesystem. the two filesystems are not linkd in any way Jul 09 01:36:56 a change on one does not reflect in the other Jul 09 01:37:08 you can install optware on either or both Jul 09 01:37:18 WillJitsu: not "through it"... it's saying if you trying to get root on the emulator, skip these steps Jul 09 01:37:37 that root *on* the emulator, not the phone Jul 09 01:37:39 ah ok.. that was confusing to me and a few others that read it Jul 09 01:37:50 so i just need to root my phone the way I did in the past Jul 09 01:38:06 I've clarified the wording Jul 09 01:39:42 ok cool. I've done steps 1 and 2a on the emulator so far. what's the best way to set it back and exit out? Jul 09 01:42:14 why would I put optware package feed on the emulator? Jul 09 01:45:59 WillPadawan is more like it no? ;] Jul 09 01:46:13 * Robi_ waves to rwhitby Jul 09 01:47:28 man copying files to the pre is slooooooow Jul 09 01:47:41 through what connection? Jul 09 01:48:08 usb Jul 09 01:48:18 downloading a podcast for later Jul 09 01:48:21 should be the fastest way possible Jul 09 01:48:44 it's 700mb and still crunching at least 15mins later Jul 09 01:50:48 i think novacom would transfer it faster! Jul 09 01:51:16 being USB you'd think that's what he's using Jul 09 01:51:29 could be usb mass storage, ye? Jul 09 01:51:30 yes Jul 09 01:51:56 I've heard usb mass storage is slower than you'd expect , blackberry ran circles around it Jul 09 01:52:28 and yeah I wonder if usbnet or novacom would be quicker Jul 09 01:55:28 so can I essentially copy the snippets of code when I install optware pkg feed Jul 09 02:10:53 has anyone poked around at /sys/power/cpuidle_deepest_state any? Jul 09 02:10:58 what's the simplest way to install nano on the Pre? Jul 09 02:11:14 optware I would assume Jul 09 02:18:46 sup folks Jul 09 02:21:07 WillJitsu: ipkg-opt install nano Jul 09 02:22:31 rwhitby: ty sir Jul 09 02:28:39 if I comment out a line in a file by adding "//" to the front, and it causes the line to wrap to the next line, do i need to comment out the part that wrapped? Jul 09 02:30:08 the wrapping is just visual - isn't it? the file itself just ends up having a long single line that's commented out Jul 09 02:31:24 that's what I wasn't sure about. I am using nano, and it's causing that line to drop down.. I just backspaced it back up to a single line so it should be good Jul 09 02:31:31 not sure if that's necessary or purely visual though Jul 09 02:31:37 nano actually wraps the line. Jul 09 02:31:48 rboatright: ok good to know. thanks Jul 09 02:31:50 drag your putty window wider or start nano with the NO WRAP parameter Jul 09 02:33:42 nano -c -i -r200 filename Jul 09 02:34:02 c - constant display of row and column -- i autoindent r autowrap at 200 char. Jul 09 02:34:16 if it autowraps THEN, your lines are too long. Re-think. Jul 09 02:34:45 nano's default wrap is 8 char less than the window-width. Jul 09 02:35:18 all of which you can learn with the clever, and non-intuitive command nano -h :-) Jul 09 02:35:22 gotcha Jul 09 02:35:23 thanks Jul 09 02:35:45 * joesmith is a fan of vi Jul 09 02:35:57 :-) Jul 09 02:36:03 <-- hates vi with a passion. Jul 09 02:36:13 vim + syntax highlighting ftw Jul 09 02:36:36 if you're going to do that, you may as well run emacs. Jul 09 02:36:55 I was told/made to use vi by my brother Jul 09 02:37:02 so I dont mind Jul 09 02:39:46 ahhh the power of suggestion. Jul 09 02:40:22 lol I just put an emoticon on this paper I am writing by hand LOL Jul 09 02:40:45 btdt Jul 09 02:42:50 good evening Jul 09 02:42:55 hello Jul 09 02:43:25 you break anything yet ? Jul 09 02:45:08 A2NY|home: I've got a plugin drawing a blue card natively in c++, yay Jul 09 02:45:10 :) Jul 09 02:45:21 nice! Jul 09 02:45:36 im in a hotel room, i need to rebuild the kernel Jul 09 02:45:42 for hotel rooms? Jul 09 02:45:47 but ill save that for tomorrow Jul 09 02:45:49 lol Jul 09 02:45:52 destinal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 09 02:45:57 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 09 02:46:01 rboatright: hey Jul 09 02:46:02 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 09 02:46:08 Yo Jul 09 02:46:09 congratulations!!!!! Jul 09 02:46:09 this hotel room need to be set up like TI meant the 3430 should Jul 09 02:46:30 <-- happy feet dance Jul 09 02:46:41 rboatright: thanks. packaging everything up for git but obviously we can now do a lot more than draw a blue card :) Jul 09 02:46:51 what was trick? Jul 09 02:47:07 native terminal here he comes. Jul 09 02:47:08 palm uses a nonstandard draw event Jul 09 02:47:18 destinal is a pimp Jul 09 02:47:23 it's all in the headers only we're missing some so I had to hack around it a bit Jul 09 02:47:26 all the draw events are non standard for all the platforms, right ? Jul 09 02:47:29 <-- emulates cheerleader only older and fatter and a guy.... :-) nevermind.... Jul 09 02:47:36 bpadalino helped a lot also Jul 09 02:47:48 nice destinal Jul 09 02:48:04 palm uses a non-standard draw event. Why does this come as a HUGE suprize???? Jul 09 02:48:06 Not. Jul 09 02:48:19 heh, well I actually like their draw event, so I won't complain too much Jul 09 02:48:23 bpadalino atta-boys to you too then. Jul 09 02:48:33 eh, i just went through and casted some pointers Jul 09 02:48:35 nothing fancy Jul 09 02:48:54 destinal, try to bust out a thread which keeps updating the display color ... Jul 09 02:48:56 so someone rebuild the kernel for me, so when i get back we can actually use ondemand frequencies Jul 09 02:48:58 it should be easy Jul 09 02:49:01 he helped fill in for my lack of C++ experience Jul 09 02:49:26 I tried c at first but we get passed an instance of a class Jul 09 02:49:30 s/c/C/ Jul 09 02:50:11 bpadalino: I guess we have pthreads but I've never written anytihng with them Jul 09 02:50:24 click this: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialPosixThreads.html Jul 09 02:50:52 pass in the drawEvent as the void pointer ... Jul 09 02:50:55 to the thread Jul 09 02:51:38 you shouldn't have to join the thread, though .. since luna will still keep your program running ... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 09 02:59:56 2009