**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 11 02:59:57 2009
Jul 11 03:02:36 <destinal> dpp: good totinos pizzas is a contradiction in terms
Jul 11 03:03:20 <dpp> true
Jul 11 03:03:36 <seigex> hi
Jul 11 03:03:43 <dpp> however, at this point, its tasting pretty phenomenal
Jul 11 03:03:47 <dpp> seigex, ur in phx?
Jul 11 03:04:11 <destinal> seigex: I'm back home now
Jul 11 03:04:28 <destinal> seigex: get any further with the headers, anything I should dig into?
Jul 11 03:11:06 <seigex> dpp, williams
Jul 11 03:11:08 <seigex> by flagstaff
Jul 11 03:11:41 <dpp> ahh, i had a buddy that lived in williams
Jul 11 03:11:55 <seigex> past tense?
Jul 11 03:12:17 <dpp> heh, yeah, he moved to phx, his parents still live up there
Jul 11 03:12:44 <seigex> ah whats his last name
Jul 11 03:12:57 <dpp> macdonald
Jul 11 03:13:04 <dpp> dave and nancy macdonald
Jul 11 03:14:03 <dpp> i went up there for my buddies graduation.. watched all 36 people from williams high school graduate lol
Jul 11 03:31:36 <seigex> haha
Jul 11 03:31:39 <seigex> yeah thats about right
Jul 11 03:31:53 <dpp> im originally from phx
Jul 11 03:32:00 <dpp> just moved to portland...
Jul 11 03:32:00 <seigex> nope my family don't know them
Jul 11 03:32:14 <seigex> :)
Jul 11 03:32:34 <dpp> work moved me up here
Jul 11 03:38:24 <corq-FL> does the hard reset normally take a really long time? been about half an hour on just the "palm" screen...
Jul 11 03:38:40 <dpp> gotta love the job though, the perks are much better, but i love that sprint mgr plan for my palm pre
Jul 11 03:39:03 <dpp> $20 a month for 3000 minutes, unlimited text, unlimited data, nights and weekends at 7..
Jul 11 03:40:40 <button> corq-FL: do you mean erase or just hold down the power button and press turn off device?
Jul 11 03:40:54 <corq-FL> erase.
Jul 11 03:41:25 <button> did you do erase everything and have a lot of stuff on the media partition?
Jul 11 03:41:33 <button> that might take a while
Jul 11 03:41:36 <button> 30 mins seems a long time though
Jul 11 03:41:42 <corq-FL> yeh some mp3's and podcasts
Jul 11 03:42:58 <button> hmm, i usually don't erase everything like that, only the settings
Jul 11 03:43:27 <dpp> im trying to remove that damn sprint icon that does nothing..
Jul 11 03:45:50 <dpp> goodbye sprint icon!
Jul 11 03:47:20 <corq-FL> w00t :)
Jul 11 03:47:43 <dpp> did it work for ya corq
Jul 11 03:48:55 <joesmith> ok I acidently stopped the novacom process what do I do to make it run
Jul 11 03:52:36 <sax_> anyone know a quick way to utilize crtl or escape in pterm under classic?
Jul 11 03:53:52 <dpp> joe, try start, run, services.msc
Jul 11 03:53:58 <dpp> and it should be in there somewhere, i think lol
Jul 11 03:55:43 <Eguy> oh my god the new Pre ads are annoying
Jul 11 03:55:58 <dpp> havent seen em
Jul 11 03:56:03 <dpp> just the one with the blonde chick
Jul 11 03:56:21 <Eguy> Yeah, they still have her
Jul 11 03:56:28 <Eguy> MOST ANNOYING voce ever
Jul 11 03:56:33 <Eguy> voice*
Jul 11 03:57:12 <dpp> hmm, why wont my pre let me choose USB drive, when i plug it into my puter, it just goes straight to charging battery and doesn't give me the option
Jul 11 03:57:52 <Eguy> I have had that problem
Jul 11 03:57:59 <dpp> how did u fix it
Jul 11 03:58:27 <Eguy> I don't remember lol
Jul 11 03:58:30 <dpp> lol
Jul 11 03:58:47 <Eguy> Try a reboot
Jul 11 03:59:02 <dpp> tried that
Jul 11 03:59:20 <Eguy> Is there a problem in the device manager
Jul 11 03:59:52 <Eguy> ?
Jul 11 04:00:06 <djwhitey> red stripe + weboshelp = win
Jul 11 04:00:28 <dpp> no problems in device mgr
Jul 11 04:02:13 <Eguy> I had a problem in the device manager when I had the problem
Jul 11 04:02:20 <dpp> actually, i see one now
Jul 11 04:02:24 <dpp> under generic volume
Jul 11 04:02:27 <dpp> i have a "!" sign
Jul 11 04:03:23 <dpp> hmmm
Jul 11 04:03:26 <dpp> gunna restart
Jul 11 04:03:50 <Eguy> Yep
Jul 11 04:09:02 <dpp> ok back
Jul 11 04:09:10 <joesmith> you fix the problem from in windows from services--palm-- start
Jul 11 04:09:24 <joesmith> if that doesnt work start the novacom.exe
Jul 11 04:09:29 <dpp> which prob
Jul 11 04:09:35 <joesmith> if that doesnt work start the novacomd.exe
Jul 11 04:09:54 <joesmith> acidently stopping the novacomd process what do I do to make it run
Jul 11 04:13:00 <dpp> anyone know how to keep that usbnet thing from trying to find a driver each time i plug it into my computer
Jul 11 04:19:23 <seigex> hi
Jul 11 04:19:25 <seigex> back
Jul 11 04:20:47 <dpp> howdy sir
Jul 11 04:21:07 <dpp> seigex, did u see my question about the usbnet driver always trying to install each time i hook it up to my cpu
Jul 11 04:23:37 <destinal> back
Jul 11 04:25:34 <dpp> howdy destinal
Jul 11 04:27:35 <destinal> mothership wit is nectar of the gods
Jul 11 04:28:11 <destinal> so what's everyone hacking on this beautiful evening?
Jul 11 04:33:14 <destinal> apparently everyone's off doing more interesting things ;)
Jul 11 04:33:29 <dpp> heh
Jul 11 04:33:34 <dpp> im changing backgrounds
Jul 11 04:34:09 <dpp> my most used command in ssh is "/sbin/reboot"
Jul 11 04:34:10 <dpp> lol
Jul 11 04:38:33 <destinal> dpp:   su -    and then you can just type reboot
Jul 11 04:38:44 <destinal> but you probably can just send a signal to luna
Jul 11 04:38:48 <dpp> nice
Jul 11 04:38:52 <destinal> instead of rebooting your entire machine
Jul 11 04:40:25 <destinal> how are you trying background?
Jul 11 04:40:28 <dpp> i tried to do that, but it gave me some weird msg
Jul 11 04:40:29 <destinal> and why reboot?
Jul 11 04:40:35 <dpp> luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.appinstaller/rescan {}
Jul 11 04:40:41 <destinal> nah, not rescan
Jul 11 04:40:56 <destinal> why are you not using the wallpaper selecting app thing?
Jul 11 04:41:10 <destinal> what are you doing that requires reboot?
Jul 11 04:42:24 <destinal> dpp: what's your procedure, are you overwriting a file with cp or mv and rebooting or are you doing something more involved?
Jul 11 04:45:24 <tlz> erm
Jul 11 04:45:31 <tlz> stupid internet
Jul 11 04:45:45 <tlz> im changing the dialer screens, and the lock screen backrounds
Jul 11 04:45:49 <tlz> sorry, not wallpaper
Jul 11 04:46:26 <destinal> hmm
Jul 11 04:46:48 <destinal> I think rescan would be the right thing then
Jul 11 04:46:50 <destinal> odd
Jul 11 04:48:20 <tlz> was that the right command i was typing
Jul 11 04:53:29 <destinal> probaby
Jul 11 04:53:42 <destinal> I haven't tried replacing them and calling it
Jul 11 05:01:24 <Eguy> just toook my phone off my new puck and it's not warm at all :)
Jul 11 05:01:39 <Eguy> It's hotter sitting in my pocket than it is now lol
Jul 11 05:02:36 <tlz> u got the touchstone?
Jul 11 05:03:10 <destinal> Eguy: I have to bring my phone in to sprint.  my modem drops randomly during evdo data transfers, and then comes back.  it's enough to eat through an entire battery on a 1 hr drive
Jul 11 05:03:15 <destinal> without using it
Jul 11 05:03:27 <Eguy> Got 2 today, a little pissed off the monoprice ac chargers don't work
Jul 11 05:03:43 <Eguy> I found the Palm charger cheap on ebay
Jul 11 05:03:58 <tlz> im gunna wait till i get my discount on them at work
Jul 11 05:04:06 <tlz> we get them for $23
Jul 11 05:04:37 <Eguy> I bought through Palm, they need the money anyways :P
Jul 11 05:04:58 <tlz> lol
Jul 11 05:05:02 <tlz> keep em in business!
Jul 11 05:05:17 * destinal is sad for his dead radio
Jul 11 05:05:51 <Eguy> Damn that sucks destinal
Jul 11 05:05:51 <Robi_> anyone play with lenghtening the time the alarms and alerts are displayed for ?
Jul 11 05:05:54 <destinal> no idea how it just stopped working but at least it fails reliably so they should swap me
Jul 11 05:06:13 <Eguy> My sympathy is with you in this sad moment
Jul 11 05:06:33 <destinal> on the bright side it's possible that I'll get one with fewer dead pixels
Jul 11 05:06:36 <Eguy> I will say I am VERY happy with the touchstone back on the phone...WAY better than the stock one
Jul 11 05:06:55 <destinal> should I get one then? the plastic feels wobbly / clicky
Jul 11 05:06:57 <oc80z> whats good
Jul 11 05:06:58 <tlz> i just added total equipment protection... i have a feeling i might need it
Jul 11 05:06:59 <oc80z> whats good
Jul 11 05:07:01 <oc80z> wha happnd
Jul 11 05:07:35 <destinal> Eguy: the plastic back has a very small bit of play on one side like it's not perfectly snug
Jul 11 05:07:43 <destinal> and it can make little creaking noises
Jul 11 05:08:04 <destinal> I've tried pushing on it but it's on as best it can
Jul 11 05:08:13 <Eguy> It's a little "bouncier" I would say than the glossy one but does not creak like my glossy one did
Jul 11 05:08:29 <destinal> not totally ugly then?
Jul 11 05:08:33 <Eguy> Nah
Jul 11 05:08:43 <Eguy> Looks more professional
Jul 11 05:08:49 <oc80z> heh yea
Jul 11 05:08:57 <destinal> ok I guess I'll get a touchstone
Jul 11 05:09:02 <destinal> did you get it retail price?
Jul 11 05:09:02 <tlz> do it!
Jul 11 05:09:06 <Eguy> And feels better in the hands even though I had an invisible shield on the back
Jul 11 05:09:17 <tlz> wait a week or so, i'll hook you up at my price ;)
Jul 11 05:09:20 <Eguy> You can buy the cover by it self you know ;)
Jul 11 05:09:47 <Eguy> I bought from palm for full price yeah but they need the money :P
Jul 11 05:10:12 <Eguy> The puck is so tiny :D
Jul 11 05:10:22 <Eguy> I kept forgetting how small it is
Jul 11 05:11:08 <tlz> im jealous
Jul 11 05:11:20 <destinal> Eguy: I would to mount one in my car at some point
Jul 11 05:11:21 <tlz> i keep seeing them at work, and im like.. man.. i just wanna buy it!
Jul 11 05:11:27 <destinal> then play over bluetooth to stereo
Jul 11 05:11:53 <Eguy> I just got a new headunit today with BT
Jul 11 05:12:09 <Eguy> Had to remove my old car kit and headunit... what a PITA
Jul 11 05:12:17 <Eguy> But now I can get my phone book :)
Jul 11 05:12:24 <destinal> Eguy: I have a new model honda civic so I don't really want to replace the sculpted dash stereo thing
Jul 11 05:12:47 <destinal> Eguy: but I'll probably just go aux to a hacked bt headset
Jul 11 05:12:54 <Eguy> And I can stream audio as well
Jul 11 05:13:10 <Eguy> I have the aux for my zune :) Yes, I have a zune :P
Jul 11 05:13:19 <destinal> I have one also
Jul 11 05:13:22 <destinal> I won it
Jul 11 05:13:32 <Eguy> The HU has a usb port for an iPod though
Jul 11 05:13:38 <Eguy> Which model?
Jul 11 05:14:08 <destinal> 8G flash
Jul 11 05:15:00 <Eguy> ooo, we should continue this discussion in the watercooler :P
Jul 11 05:15:16 <oc80z> that place is idle.
Jul 11 05:15:26 <Eguy> Always :P
Jul 11 05:16:21 <oc80z> that place is idle.
Jul 11 05:16:37 <oc80z> that place is idle.
Jul 11 05:16:47 <oc80z> haha
Jul 11 05:16:48 <Eguy> lol
Jul 11 05:17:04 <oc80z> i have the hp tx2525
Jul 11 05:17:19 <oc80z> comes with a remote, and i hit UP and Enter , aimed at the 36
Jul 11 05:17:23 <oc80z> xbox360*
Jul 11 05:17:38 <oc80z> and it imput here too heh.
Jul 11 05:18:08 <Eguy> oc80z: join the watercooler
Jul 11 05:18:21 <oc80z> no thanks
Jul 11 05:18:28 <tlz> DO IT!
Jul 11 05:18:29 <tlz> :)
Jul 11 05:18:31 <Eguy> NOW
Jul 11 05:18:33 <Eguy> !
Jul 11 05:18:42 <oc80z> :/
Jul 11 05:19:35 <oc80z> i hate audicity
Jul 11 05:19:52 <oc80z> i miss windows3.11 Wave editor..............
Jul 11 05:19:55 <oc80z> and recorder.
Jul 11 05:19:57 <Eguy> But it's free
Jul 11 05:20:06 <oc80z> i havent paid for software, ever.
Jul 11 05:20:24 <oc80z> (cept for that shareware $10/$20 help teh developer get a 12pack)
Jul 11 05:20:32 <tlz> i used sound recorder to make my notification.wav louder lol
Jul 11 05:20:39 <Eguy> lol
Jul 11 05:20:43 <Eguy> thats ghetto
Jul 11 05:20:50 <tlz> yes i am!!!
Jul 11 05:21:21 <Eguy> oc80z: my condolences for owning a HP laptop ;)
Jul 11 05:21:57 <oc80z> the hp tx2525..
Jul 11 05:22:18 <oc80z> and which do you use?
Jul 11 05:22:24 <tlz> i have an asus tablet
Jul 11 05:22:26 <tlz> w00t
Jul 11 05:22:53 <oc80z> microsoft force asus away from linux
Jul 11 05:22:57 <oc80z> hp embraces it.
Jul 11 05:23:18 <oc80z> hp 1 , asus 0
Jul 11 05:23:31 <Eguy> I have a Dell tablet
Jul 11 05:23:49 <Eguy> HP is teh sux though
Jul 11 05:24:18 <Eguy> Most of my clients that have broken computers are HP and their support is ______
Jul 11 05:24:48 <oc80z> hp/compaq is solid
Jul 11 05:25:40 <Eguy> They would hire you as their spokesperson for saying such a thing
Jul 11 05:26:08 <oc80z> or they could use a 17y/o xanex hooked 'yur gettin an dell d00d'
Jul 11 05:26:14 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 11 05:26:24 <destinal> so I have a shiny new palm wireless bluetooth keyboard for treos., just begging to be hacked for pre.  unfortunately I'll probably have to replace the whole bluetooth stack so it may sit on the shelf for a bit
Jul 11 05:26:54 <destinal> for $10 I figured it was worth playing with
Jul 11 05:27:29 <oc80z> hrmmmm hell yeah
Jul 11 05:29:23 <Eguy> 10 bucks hahahha
Jul 11 05:29:41 <Eguy> I remember when the damn thing was $100
Jul 11 05:30:17 <destinal> yeah I figure it's that it's marketed for palmos that caused the firesale
Jul 11 05:32:55 <destinal> awesome the pre fits fine on the little stand on the
Jul 11 05:32:59 <destinal> keyboard
Jul 11 05:33:13 <destinal> now I have no choice but to hack it
Jul 11 05:33:33 <destinal> pretty good feel and collapses down small also
Jul 11 05:33:57 <destinal> anyone have one of these things?
Jul 11 05:34:10 <Eguy> lol
Jul 11 05:34:47 <tlz> heh
Jul 11 05:35:21 <destinal> I guess that's a "no"?
Jul 11 05:35:26 <oc80z> heh
Jul 11 05:35:39 <oc80z> yeah my boy gots one i think
Jul 11 05:36:33 <destinal> you can get them on ebay for ~$16 w/ free shipping too, only a bit more expensive then buy.com had them for
Jul 11 05:36:41 <destinal> would anyone consider buying one if they worked on the pre?
Jul 11 05:37:58 <oc80z> absolutly.
Jul 11 05:38:10 <oc80z> 110% w/o a doubt.
Jul 11 05:38:29 <destinal> cool.  I have a new mission.  I need to start completing missions faster than I add more to my list
Jul 11 05:38:30 <destinal> damn
Jul 11 05:38:38 <oc80z> adderall works well man.
Jul 11 05:38:44 <destinal> lol
Jul 11 05:38:47 <Eguy> hahahahah
Jul 11 05:39:03 <oc80z> im srs.
Jul 11 05:39:10 <oc80z> u know this.
Jul 11 05:39:43 <oc80z> vr vr srs.
Jul 11 05:40:20 <tlz> id buy one destinal
Jul 11 05:40:51 <destinal> ok someone help me prioritize in order.   a) bluetooth keboard   b) webos doctor image editor (pointy clicky save new jar and flash)    c) a native terminal in luna
Jul 11 05:41:06 <destinal> list all three
Jul 11 05:41:09 <Eguy> ahhhhh feels good to be on XP again :P
Jul 11 05:41:15 <Eguy> c, b, a ;)
Jul 11 05:41:57 <destinal> cool, any other votes?
Jul 11 05:42:57 <destinal> cool, at any rate, eguy, you read my mind
Jul 11 05:43:01 <tlz> hmmm, b,c,a
Jul 11 05:43:27 <tlz> just cause im not familiar with what luna does lol
Jul 11 05:43:28 <tlz> im new.
Jul 11 05:43:38 <destinal> tlz: oh this would be a gui terminal
Jul 11 05:43:54 <destinal> so you can do all the stuff you can do while ssh'd into the pre from the pre itself
Jul 11 05:44:48 <tlz> what kinda stuff does luna do though..
Jul 11 05:44:52 <oc80z> hmm
Jul 11 05:44:52 <destinal> everything
Jul 11 05:44:55 <destinal> it's the gui
Jul 11 05:44:58 <destinal> of the phone
Jul 11 05:45:06 <tlz> alright, then i change my mind, i go c, b, a
Jul 11 05:45:07 <tlz> lol
Jul 11 05:45:12 <destinal> :)
Jul 11 05:45:13 <destinal> ok
Jul 11 05:45:20 <oc80z> why is that a priority
Jul 11 05:45:25 <tlz> someone needs to make video on this thing
Jul 11 05:45:39 <Eguy> great minds think alike destinal ;)
Jul 11 05:45:44 <oc80z> id go B a c
Jul 11 05:45:51 <tlz> blood alcohol content
Jul 11 05:45:54 <destinal> heh
Jul 11 05:46:02 <Eguy> lol
Jul 11 05:47:25 <oc80z> ;/
Jul 11 05:47:43 <Eguy> weird... this crappy old dell tower has a speaker built in
Jul 11 05:48:20 <destinal> nice.  the easel from this keyboard seperates and can be used as a pre stand without the keyboard
Jul 11 05:48:39 <oc80z> ugk hells yea
Jul 11 05:48:51 <oc80z> by os1.1 a pre terminal will be out..
Jul 11 05:48:59 <oc80z> whats up with putty-mini
Jul 11 05:49:07 <destinal> os 1.1 is a month from now yeah?
Jul 11 05:49:15 <destinal> I should hope my terminal is out way way sooner
Jul 11 05:49:21 <destinal> at least a basic one
Jul 11 05:49:26 <oc80z> yeah give a month or less.
Jul 11 05:49:33 <oc80z> yea?
Jul 11 05:49:44 <tlz> so if im on 1.0.4, and they come out with 1.1, will i have to redo it all
Jul 11 05:49:55 <destinal> tlz: nah
Jul 11 05:50:03 <destinal> tlz: probably not
Jul 11 05:50:04 <oc80z> re do wha
Jul 11 05:50:21 <destinal> it's likely to be the same as 1.0.2 to 1.0.3 to 1.0.4.  more changes maybe but fundamentally the same probably
Jul 11 05:50:31 <destinal> and we've gone through all those with hacks intact
Jul 11 05:50:46 <Eguy> yay fast transfers compliments of windows xp :D
Jul 11 05:50:59 <Eguy> Vista is so slow in file transfers
Jul 11 05:51:32 <oc80z> yeah
Jul 11 05:51:47 <oc80z> the transition will be mostly security, no?
Jul 11 05:52:09 <Eguy> It has to discover all the metadata first and then it transfers the data... so stupid
Jul 11 05:52:30 <oc80z> the Exchange Address book search is KEY!
Jul 11 05:54:12 <oc80z> ...if only we could import / keep updated.. Facebook birthdays w/ the calendar.
Jul 11 05:54:48 <oc80z> cause 'all day events' in gCalendar don't transition as well?
Jul 11 05:55:22 <WillJitsu> is there a way to obtain a stock copy of chatview-assistant.js besides using the web doctor and setting everything back to default?
Jul 11 05:55:35 <tlz> willJitsu, whats ur email
Jul 11 05:56:11 <Eguy> Just unzip the webos doctor
Jul 11 05:56:12 <oc80z> what happeend to it?
Jul 11 05:56:27 <WillJitsu> I just made some changes and I can't remember if a "}" is supposed to go on a line or not
Jul 11 05:56:47 <oc80z> what line?
Jul 11 05:56:54 <Eguy> and untar webOS.tar under resources
Jul 11 05:56:57 <oc80z> where can we look
Jul 11 05:57:02 <Eguy> The whole image is in there
Jul 11 05:57:30 <Robi_> anyone play with lenghtening the time the alarms and alerts are displayed for ?
Jul 11 05:57:40 <Robi_> they disappear way too quickly
Jul 11 05:57:54 <WillJitsu> it's 1179 in mine now
Jul 11 05:57:55 <Eguy> nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar = complete webos image
Jul 11 05:58:09 <WillJitsu> I did the change to make it show notifications on all messages
Jul 11 05:58:13 <Eguy> you can get all the files you want as stock
Jul 11 05:58:36 <Eguy> Make a backup before you mod any files on the pre ;)
Jul 11 05:58:46 <WillJitsu> Eguy: true :)
Jul 11 05:58:56 <tlz> heh, eguy, he's asking for the same files i was earlier, it just so happened seigex sent them to me in an email lol
Jul 11 05:59:08 <oc80z> oh
Jul 11 05:59:12 <Eguy> You can get them from the nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar file
Jul 11 05:59:21 <Eguy> under /usr/palm/applications
Jul 11 06:00:17 <oc80z>                                 if(today-msg.timeStamp <= (1000*60*60*24*2)) {
Jul 11 06:00:17 <oc80z>                                         msg.timeStampDeltaMsg = new Template($L("Message Sent: #{dateTime}")).evaluate({dateTime:Mojo.Format.formatDate(sent$
Jul 11 06:00:17 <oc80z>                                 }
Jul 11 06:00:17 <oc80z>                         }
Jul 11 06:00:17 <oc80z>                         if (msg.callbackNumber) {
Jul 11 06:00:24 <oc80z> --
Jul 11 06:00:52 <oc80z> *sigh* wtf
Jul 11 06:01:07 <WillJitsu> thanks guys
Jul 11 06:01:17 <Eguy> I keep a folder of the webOS image so I can edit/restore any files I mess up
Jul 11 06:02:54 <oc80z> i smoke 2 joints in the morning
Jul 11 06:02:59 <oc80z> in the car i smoke 2 joints
Jul 11 06:03:05 <tlz> lol, imma start doing that to eguy
Jul 11 06:03:14 <oc80z> i smoke 2 joints in the afternoon
Jul 11 06:03:22 <Eguy> I do 3, beat that :P
Jul 11 06:04:02 <oc80z> ♫ smooooke 2 joints ♫
Jul 11 06:04:12 <tlz> i smoke 2 joints in the morning, i smoke to more at night
Jul 11 06:05:00 * oc80z puts on the goode family
Jul 11 06:05:14 * tlz slaps oc80z around a bit with a large trout
Jul 11 06:05:34 <Eguy> Round 1...fight!
Jul 11 06:05:43 * oc80z sets tlz on fire
Jul 11 06:05:46 * tlz dies
Jul 11 06:05:56 * oc80z 21 cazoo salut
Jul 11 06:06:04 <Eguy> oc80z... WINNER
Jul 11 06:06:05 * tlz comes back like jesus and sets oc80z on fire for setting HIM on fire
Jul 11 06:06:16 <Eguy> *crowd gasps
Jul 11 06:06:27 <Eguy> *ooooo ahhhh
Jul 11 06:06:32 * oc80z spits H1N1 blood at tlz's face
Jul 11 06:06:38 * tlz oinks
Jul 11 06:06:48 * oc80z hadooken
Jul 11 06:06:51 * oc80z hadooken
Jul 11 06:06:51 * oc80z hadooken
Jul 11 06:06:56 * oc80z shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuroooken
Jul 11 06:08:57 <oc80z> Updated to: Sprint and Verizon to Include Wi-Fi About Darn Time Tech Industry News - http://tinyurl.com/mq3bb8
Jul 11 06:09:11 <oc80z> whats up with this 0sec
Jul 11 06:09:55 <Eguy> Sprint was first
Jul 11 06:09:57 <oc80z> i saw this wifi stuff on sprint's website from searching google's site:sprint.com <some args>
Jul 11 06:10:08 <oc80z> yeah? they were teh first..
Jul 11 06:10:31 <Eguy> Verizon will still cripple everything else and force their shitty UI
Jul 11 06:20:17 <seigex> hi
Jul 11 06:20:24 <Eguy> hey
Jul 11 06:20:40 <AJadoniz> hello
Jul 11 06:21:49 <seigex> whats the discussion
Jul 11 06:24:04 <AJadoniz> hello
Jul 11 06:25:16 <seigex> hi
Jul 11 06:25:17 <seigex> hi
Jul 11 06:25:34 <oc80z> well
Jul 11 06:25:40 <oc80z> we're talkin about some stuff like ah..
Jul 11 06:25:47 <oc80z> bluetooth keyboards.
Jul 11 06:26:16 <oc80z> got anything to contribute?
Jul 11 06:31:45 <tlz> anyone done the character count for sms yet?
Jul 11 06:33:53 <oc80z> nope
Jul 11 06:33:59 <oc80z> *shrug*
Jul 11 06:34:17 <SunsparcSolaris> odd
Jul 11 06:34:51 <SunsparcSolaris> Im attempting to root my Pre and I got errors that arent in the wiki. Can someone help?
Jul 11 06:36:12 <oc80z> ok
Jul 11 06:36:42 <oc80z> im sure a hardcore sparc lab tech like you and i can figure it out
Jul 11 06:36:49 <SunsparcSolaris> pfft
Jul 11 06:36:51 <SunsparcSolaris> Just a name ;)
Jul 11 06:37:19 <oc80z> what made you choose it.
Jul 11 06:37:25 <SunsparcSolaris> I keep getting a lot of "expected" and "got" with long strings of random numbers and letters
Jul 11 06:37:32 <oc80z> yeah
Jul 11 06:37:35 <oc80z> so ur good right.
Jul 11 06:37:41 <SunsparcSolaris> I cant telnet in
Jul 11 06:37:43 <SunsparcSolaris> over wifi
Jul 11 06:37:46 <oc80z> well
Jul 11 06:37:51 <oc80z> have you done the novacom yet
Jul 11 06:37:54 <SunsparcSolaris> yeah
Jul 11 06:37:59 <oc80z> telnet localhost 8023
Jul 11 06:38:13 <oc80z> not telnet <pre.wifi> 8023
Jul 11 06:38:16 <oc80z> thats all.
Jul 11 06:38:28 <oc80z> u work with sun at all?
Jul 11 06:38:35 <SunsparcSolaris> I did "telnet 192.168.145"
Jul 11 06:38:36 <SunsparcSolaris> no
Jul 11 06:39:04 <SunsparcSolaris> and "telnet localhost 8023" failed also
Jul 11 06:39:23 <oc80z> ur in windows?
Jul 11 06:39:26 <SunsparcSolaris> yeah
Jul 11 06:39:30 <SunsparcSolaris> 7
Jul 11 06:39:33 <oc80z> type
Jul 11 06:39:33 <oc80z> telnet
Jul 11 06:39:34 <SunsparcSolaris> I did the install steps for 7
Jul 11 06:39:37 <oc80z> open localhost 8023
Jul 11 06:39:42 <oc80z> that may work.
Jul 11 06:39:48 <SunsparcSolaris> nope
Jul 11 06:39:55 <oc80z> do you have telnet installed?
Jul 11 06:40:01 <oc80z> i didnet come stock with my vista ultimate
Jul 11 06:40:04 <SunsparcSolaris> obv, otherwise it wouldnt be working
Jul 11 06:40:20 <SunsparcSolaris> Telnet is working, but the connection isnt going through
Jul 11 06:40:35 <oc80z> is your device in charge only
Jul 11 06:40:39 <SunsparcSolaris> yep
Jul 11 06:40:42 <SunsparcSolaris> aha
Jul 11 06:40:43 <SunsparcSolaris> castle login
Jul 11 06:40:48 <oc80z> salut
Jul 11 06:41:00 <SunsparcSolaris> dunno why that took a few minutes O_o
Jul 11 06:41:02 * oc80z gettn tirsty
Jul 11 06:41:03 <seigex> tlz someone did it earlier and it didn't work
Jul 11 06:41:09 <seigex> he had to replace the messaging ap
Jul 11 06:42:23 <oc80z> wha hppnd?
Jul 11 06:43:57 <tlz> heh, i suck at editing files with VI, thats what happened
Jul 11 06:43:58 <tlz> lol
Jul 11 06:44:08 <SunsparcSolaris> nano > vi :>
Jul 11 06:44:45 <oc80z> ...nano word wraps, even on paste.
Jul 11 06:44:53 <SunsparcSolaris> nano -w file
Jul 11 06:44:59 <SunsparcSolaris> no wrapping switch :)
Jul 11 06:45:06 <oc80z> nano does not exist in sun
Jul 11 06:45:09 <oc80z> look whos talking
Jul 11 06:45:14 <SunsparcSolaris> Again
Jul 11 06:45:16 <tlz> im used to using pico
Jul 11 06:45:18 <SunsparcSolaris> It's just a name
Jul 11 06:45:30 <oc80z> well, u aint holding that nickname down...
Jul 11 06:45:40 <SunsparcSolaris> Sun can screw themselves for being bought out by Oracle
Jul 11 06:45:43 <oc80z> tlz yea heh.
Jul 11 06:45:59 <oc80z> um... why should they screw them selves.
Jul 11 06:46:21 <oc80z> :/
Jul 11 06:47:04 <oc80z> ur in no position to argue if you dont read ft.com
Jul 11 06:47:05 <oc80z> :P
Jul 11 06:48:02 <Eguy> lol solaris
Jul 11 06:48:05 <SunsparcSolaris> mmm def leppard
Jul 11 06:48:06 <Eguy> and sun jokes
Jul 11 06:48:11 <Eguy> ha ha
Jul 11 06:48:32 <SunsparcSolaris> The recommended music playing in the wiki sure makes things easier to cope with :)
Jul 11 06:48:46 <SunsparcSolaris> Listening to some Foolin' while hacking
Jul 11 06:49:27 <oc80z> heh
Jul 11 06:49:30 <Eguy> Does anyone still have the nascar app? lol
Jul 11 06:52:14 <tlz> heh
Jul 11 06:52:17 <tlz> i still have it
Jul 11 06:52:22 <tlz> i removed the icon though
Jul 11 06:54:33 <SunsparcSolaris> odd
Jul 11 06:54:38 <SunsparcSolaris> Now I cant use ipkg-opt update
Jul 11 06:54:42 <SunsparcSolaris> I did the steps :/
Jul 11 06:55:14 <SunsparcSolaris> -sh: ipkg-opt: not found
Jul 11 06:58:44 <Eguy> is it in your $PATH?
Jul 11 06:58:52 <SunsparcSolaris> I did the path command
Jul 11 06:59:27 <SunsparcSolaris> /opt/bin is in PATH
Jul 11 07:00:01 <SunsparcSolaris> ah im stupid
Jul 11 07:00:02 <SunsparcSolaris> sec
Jul 11 07:02:05 <SunsparcSolaris> k good now
Jul 11 07:02:21 <SunsparcSolaris> missed the data tarball step
Jul 11 07:03:46 <oc80z> hrm
Jul 11 07:04:30 <oc80z> wdup hokey
Jul 11 07:07:06 <oc80z> thats rare.
Jul 11 07:07:54 <tlz> /connect that bad boy!
Jul 11 07:08:17 <oc80z> heh... its a circuit issue
Jul 11 07:08:40 <tlz> i dont miss those days of being an irc op
Jul 11 07:08:41 <tlz> lol
Jul 11 07:08:53 <Eguy> lol
Jul 11 07:09:17 <oc80z> heh
Jul 11 07:09:29 <oc80z> here?
Jul 11 07:09:36 <Eguy> Chanserv does the work for us
Jul 11 07:09:58 <tlz> remember operserv?!
Jul 11 07:10:14 <Eguy> ahh yes
Jul 11 07:10:25 <oc80z> heh
Jul 11 07:13:10 * oc80z puts on penn and teller e03
Jul 11 07:13:25 <oc80z> video games... with big fkn guns
Jul 11 07:14:12 <tlz> adios all. bed time.
Jul 11 07:14:35 <oc80z> lata
Jul 11 07:15:17 <oc80z> Updated to: Amazing Police Chase! - http://tinyurl.com/nax9jk
Jul 11 07:19:02 <oc80z> excellent.
Jul 11 07:19:18 <seigex> sigh
Jul 11 07:19:19 <seigex> boredom
Jul 11 07:19:36 <Eguy> yeah
Jul 11 07:19:48 <seigex> tlz, ur stuck in the old efnet days
Jul 11 07:19:54 <seigex> sorry just reading up
Jul 11 07:20:00 <seigex> ride the split to #twilight
Jul 11 07:20:04 <seigex> err twilightzone
Jul 11 07:20:28 <seigex> oh tolz is gone
Jul 11 07:20:31 <seigex> err tolz
Jul 11 07:20:33 <seigex> err tlz
Jul 11 07:20:35 <seigex> damnit
Jul 11 07:21:17 <Eguy> spelling fail
Jul 11 07:21:38 <seigex> yea
Jul 11 07:21:47 <seigex> its the beer then the coffee
Jul 11 07:21:47 <seigex> its screwing me up
Jul 11 07:25:01 <tlz-afk> lol
Jul 11 07:25:23 * tlz-afk slaps himself. DAMNIT GO TO BED
Jul 11 07:25:27 <oc80z> heh
Jul 11 07:25:30 <oc80z> dont do it its sat
Jul 11 07:25:39 <tlz-afk> not for me :(
Jul 11 07:25:42 <tlz-afk> i work sat/sun
Jul 11 07:25:47 * oc80z catchin up on divx ... just spawned a hangover :/
Jul 11 07:27:52 * tlz-afk just set his ipod to wake him up to "deftones - change"
Jul 11 07:27:53 <tlz-afk> werd
Jul 11 07:29:52 <oc80z> deftones rock
Jul 11 07:30:07 <tlz-afk> hell yes they do
Jul 11 07:30:10 <tlz-afk> saw them in LA in april
Jul 11 07:30:59 <oc80z> no fucking way
Jul 11 07:31:09 <oc80z> they were over in sweden last i checked.
Jul 11 07:31:19 <Eguy> listening to Pandora myself
Jul 11 07:31:36 <tlz-afk> yeah, they're in EU right now...
Jul 11 07:31:43 <tlz-afk> they got a show planned in south korea too
Jul 11 07:32:41 <seigex> tlz, where in LA"/
Jul 11 07:32:43 <seigex> ?
Jul 11 07:33:17 <tlz-afk> actually, it was irvine, ca
Jul 11 07:33:23 <tlz-afk> at the verizon ampitheater
Jul 11 07:33:35 <seigex> where u from?
Jul 11 07:33:37 <tlz-afk> bamboozle left was the name of the show
Jul 11 07:33:47 <tlz-afk> im originally from phoenix, but i moved to portland about 9 months ago
Jul 11 07:33:51 <seigex> i was goin to go watch blink 182 there
Jul 11 07:33:53 <seigex> but they were sold out
Jul 11 07:33:54 <Eguy> Ahhh Verizon ampitheater
Jul 11 07:33:56 <seigex> oh yeah
Jul 11 07:34:03 <Eguy> saw PR there last year
Jul 11 07:34:07 <seigex> wait
Jul 11 07:34:10 <seigex> tlz = dpp
Jul 11 07:34:12 <tlz-afk> yessir
Jul 11 07:34:14 <tlz-afk> sorry lol
Jul 11 07:34:18 <seigex> i thought u were sounding familiar
Jul 11 07:34:18 <seigex> hah
Jul 11 07:34:23 <seigex> tlz, what was your efnet name?
Jul 11 07:34:30 <seigex> s/name/nick
Jul 11 07:34:44 <tlz-afk> efnet/insiderz/infatech/criten = dustifer
Jul 11 07:34:45 <tlz-afk> lol
Jul 11 07:34:55 <seigex> what channels did you hang in?
Jul 11 07:35:20 <tlz-afk> yknott, dangerous mindz, scripterz
Jul 11 07:35:25 <tlz-afk> isoz
Jul 11 07:35:30 <tlz-afk> to name a few
Jul 11 07:35:50 <seigex> hm
Jul 11 07:35:55 <seigex> ur name sounds familiar
Jul 11 07:35:56 <tlz-afk> it was like 5 years ago heh
Jul 11 07:36:02 <tlz-afk> you always go by seigex
Jul 11 07:36:03 <tlz-afk> ?
Jul 11 07:36:04 <seigex> but i hung in #ansi #pascal #ansipunx and #coders
Jul 11 07:36:05 <seigex> and a few others
Jul 11 07:36:08 <seigex> no seige heh
Jul 11 07:36:14 <seigex> i started irc in abnout 94/95
Jul 11 07:36:17 <seigex> on efnet
Jul 11 07:36:17 <tlz-afk> that name sounds familiar
Jul 11 07:36:22 <seigex> i ran irc.unf.com for a wihle
Jul 11 07:36:23 <seigex> while*
Jul 11 07:36:23 <oc80z> 80's
Jul 11 07:36:45 <seigex> i first went to irc about 90'ish over a shell account that i had
Jul 11 07:36:49 <tlz-afk> nice, i had a box on infatech, and i ran unf.ca.us.infatech.net lol
Jul 11 07:36:56 <seigex> hah
Jul 11 07:37:31 <tlz-afk> i was on there when i was in high school, spent a crap load of time on there heh
Jul 11 07:37:38 <tlz-afk> just recently got on, literally, today
Jul 11 07:37:39 <seigex> yeah me too
Jul 11 07:37:43 <tlz-afk> had to re-download mIRC lol
Jul 11 07:37:49 <seigex> i started coming on recently with the pre
Jul 11 07:37:59 <seigex> before that i've been on about 2 or 3 times since about 1998 when i joined the army
Jul 11 07:38:09 <oc80z> heh
Jul 11 07:38:13 <tlz-afk> yeah thats why i came on, i decided to go check out my buddies on abjects.net and back in efnet
Jul 11 07:38:22 <Eguy> off topic guys ;)
Jul 11 07:38:29 <oc80z> its off 3:40am
Jul 11 07:38:32 <oc80z> heh
Jul 11 07:39:02 <seigex> i need something to do
Jul 11 07:39:02 <seigex> bad
Jul 11 07:39:03 <seigex> :)
Jul 11 07:39:05 <tlz-afk> erm, what i was meaning to say, is, is it possible to add IRC to the pre? :)
Jul 11 07:39:17 <oc80z> seigex want to work on somthin real quick w me
Jul 11 07:39:17 <Eguy> someone was on their pre in here the other day
Jul 11 07:39:21 <oc80z> u got openvpn??
Jul 11 07:39:27 <seigex> tlz, not till we figure out how to make a plugin
Jul 11 07:39:31 <seigex> unless i make a pure ajax one
Jul 11 07:39:37 <oc80z> or that other vpn service?
Jul 11 07:39:38 <tlz-afk> do it!! lol
Jul 11 07:39:41 <tmzt> it will be
Jul 11 07:39:44 <seigex> eguy i do that all the time
Jul 11 07:39:45 <seigex> but from bitchx
Jul 11 07:39:47 <seigex> on the console
Jul 11 07:39:58 <oc80z> bbiab
Jul 11 07:40:00 <tmzt> know anything about terminals?
Jul 11 07:40:13 <tlz-afk> alright folks.. im off to bed. catch you guys tomorrow
Jul 11 07:40:16 <tmzt> we need a gpl vt100/linux console
Jul 11 07:40:17 <seigex> tlz, destinal is working on that
Jul 11 07:40:18 <seigex> later bro
Jul 11 07:40:25 <seigex> well there is one using framebuffer
Jul 11 07:40:55 <tmzt> destinal knows how to build a graphical plugin
Jul 11 07:41:07 <tmzt> we need a ported terminal
Jul 11 07:41:25 <tmzt> and something to fork a shell on a pty
Jul 11 07:41:31 * oc80z hrm nm
Jul 11 07:41:43 <oc80z> why not use sidekicks
Jul 11 07:41:51 <oc80z> monkeyterm?
Jul 11 07:42:20 <seigex> i'm about to throw android on the pre :)
Jul 11 07:43:11 <oc80z> hrm 1.9M   7% /dev
Jul 11 07:43:32 <oc80z> yeah seig?
Jul 11 07:43:43 <seigex> yeah i'm looking at it right now
Jul 11 07:43:47 <seigex> its seige btw
Jul 11 07:43:48 <seigex> :)
Jul 11 07:43:49 <seigex> not seig
Jul 11 07:44:40 <oc80z> er... 8.0k 100% /var
Jul 11 07:44:55 <seigex> btw
Jul 11 07:45:01 <seigex> the best way is to do alt-optmedia
Jul 11 07:45:10 <seigex> where you resize your logical volumes
Jul 11 07:45:10 <oc80z> yra
Jul 11 07:45:14 <seigex> my /opt is 1gb
Jul 11 07:45:25 <seigex> and when you use web dr it sets it all back to being straight
Jul 11 07:46:23 <oc80z> hrm
Jul 11 07:47:56 <oc80z> SO
Jul 11 07:47:56 <oc80z> :P
Jul 11 07:49:38 <seigex> so
Jul 11 07:49:39 <seigex> ...
Jul 11 07:49:50 <oc80z> so ur ahead of waht i wanted to do
Jul 11 07:49:52 <oc80z> :P
Jul 11 07:49:55 <oc80z> and i got nothin
Jul 11 07:50:30 <oc80z> :/
Jul 11 07:52:33 <seigex> oh installing android?
Jul 11 07:55:38 <oc80z> yeah
Jul 11 07:58:03 <oc80z> have you tested putting like ah, backtrack live, on the usb filesystem
Jul 11 07:58:37 <seigex> not yet.. i haven't really tested much of anything
Jul 11 07:58:40 <seigex> :)
Jul 11 07:58:51 <seigex> actually i need to install linux on my laptopa gainand get my toolchain working
Jul 11 07:59:40 <seigex> 50gb should be good
Jul 11 08:00:01 <oc80z> oh yeah?
Jul 11 08:00:04 <oc80z> Yeah more than enough
Jul 11 08:00:14 <oc80z> Linux Mint7 got a Great rating.
Jul 11 08:00:17 <oc80z> Ubuntu based.
Jul 11 08:00:32 <oc80z> with Youtube/MP3 Codecs stock.
Jul 11 08:00:50 <seigex> i heard of it
Jul 11 08:00:54 <seigex> i was using ubuntu but i'm tired of it
Jul 11 08:01:06 <oc80z> ..heh, of the window manager?
Jul 11 08:01:22 <seigex> lemme try that mint7
Jul 11 08:01:57 <oc80z> http://tinyurl.com/lgyzaf
Jul 11 08:02:01 <seigex> i wonder if there's a cd install cus i don't think my parents have any dvd's here (i'm about 600 miles from home at their house)
Jul 11 08:02:46 <oc80z> hmm
Jul 11 08:02:53 <oc80z> what you -could- do
Jul 11 08:03:12 <oc80z> is install vmware player (free) and backtrack live (free)
Jul 11 08:03:34 <seigex> yep
Jul 11 08:03:40 <oc80z> load the backtrack VM download in vmware, and mess with your palm pre's usb media
Jul 11 08:04:00 <seigex> not sure what backtrack live is
Jul 11 08:04:08 <oc80z> essentially nuking it, but allowing you to store a bootable version of Backtrack for any PC..and the option to install it to any PC
Jul 11 08:07:16 <seigex> yo dj
Jul 11 08:07:31 <seigex> hmm
Jul 11 08:08:56 <oc80z> jrkz
Jul 11 08:08:59 <oc80z> hrkz
Jul 11 08:09:04 <oc80z> wurosij fkin keyboard
Jul 11 08:11:45 <seigex> hah
Jul 11 08:14:27 <seigex> sigh
Jul 11 08:14:39 <seigex> 300k/s
Jul 11 08:14:39 <oc80z> wdup
Jul 11 08:14:42 <seigex> :(
Jul 11 08:14:47 <oc80z> whats ur max
Jul 11 08:14:51 <seigex> i'm not at home
Jul 11 08:14:55 <seigex> at home i get 2m/s
Jul 11 08:14:58 <seigex> mb/s
Jul 11 08:15:01 <oc80z> heh
Jul 11 08:15:02 <seigex> MB/s
Jul 11 08:15:04 <seigex> actually
Jul 11 08:15:05 <seigex> :)
Jul 11 08:15:10 <seigex> here i get 600k max
Jul 11 08:15:11 <oc80z> yeah comcast 50
Jul 11 08:15:20 <seigex> yeah comcast went to docsis 3.0
Jul 11 08:15:22 <oc80z> 600? what file u pulling the backtrack?
Jul 11 08:15:23 <seigex> i'mw aiting for time warner to do that
Jul 11 08:15:29 <oc80z> yeah i got the d3
Jul 11 08:15:33 <seigex> i'm downloading linux mint iso
Jul 11 08:15:37 <seigex> its 697 megs
Jul 11 08:16:35 <oc80z> so yeah, heh
Jul 11 08:16:55 <seigex> In advance of our launch of DOCSIS 3.0 we have installed new CMTS equipment in Manhattan. To date, we have been testing at speeds as high as 138 down and 18 up
Jul 11 08:16:58 <seigex> fuckin ga
Jul 11 08:17:02 <seigex> fucking a*
Jul 11 08:17:15 <oc80z> yeh
Jul 11 08:18:48 <seigex> thats timewarner
Jul 11 08:18:52 <seigex> but they're only in NYC right now
Jul 11 08:18:59 <seigex> and wont' branch out until 2010
Jul 11 08:19:04 <oc80z> yeah
Jul 11 08:24:52 <oc80z> ...files done
Jul 11 08:24:53 <oc80z> ?
Jul 11 08:28:24 <seigex> ok
Jul 11 08:28:26 <seigex> burning
Jul 11 08:28:37 <seigex> i just watched a commercial about a girl that has to use a catheter every day
Jul 11 08:28:48 <seigex> pretty gay and sick
Jul 11 08:31:11 <oc80z> i ran out of room
Jul 11 08:31:22 <oc80z> sick and gay?
Jul 11 08:31:32 <oc80z> heh
Jul 11 08:31:41 <oc80z> like the shoulder insert?
Jul 11 08:32:06 <oc80z> goes over the collar bone, and into the right ventricle?
Jul 11 08:34:37 <oc80z> :| dunno
Jul 11 08:38:06 <seigex> hah
Jul 11 08:38:28 <oc80z> which one u burn
Jul 11 08:38:33 <oc80z> bt or mint
Jul 11 08:38:39 <seigex> mint
Jul 11 08:38:43 <oc80z> awwww
Jul 11 08:38:44 <seigex> still don't know what backtracker is
Jul 11 08:42:11 <oc80z> heh
Jul 11 08:42:23 <oc80z> security auditing.
Jul 11 08:46:08 <oc80z> have you seen LOS BASTARDOS
Jul 11 08:46:24 <oc80z> ...nice movie w/o music.
Jul 11 08:48:27 <seigex> whats interesting
Jul 11 08:48:36 <seigex> openpandora is the same setup as the palm pre
Jul 11 08:48:55 <oc80z> a... yea?
Jul 11 08:49:35 <seigex> yeah same processor / video chip and everything
Jul 11 09:11:00 <oc80z> hrm
Jul 11 09:11:01 <oc80z> ooh
Jul 11 09:16:13 <oc80z> HEH
Jul 11 09:16:15 <oc80z> REALLY?
Jul 11 09:16:19 <oc80z> howd u eval that
Jul 11 09:17:09 <oc80z> It is by far the most powerful handheld in the world both in terms of raw CPU power and 3D graphics capability, it will be able to handle things such as Firefox3 or Quake3 with ease.
Jul 11 09:17:49 <tmzt> 3430 or 3450?
Jul 11 09:18:28 <oc80z> dunno im glanzing at it
Jul 11 09:23:12 <oc80z> palmcentral gives me a fucking migraine
Jul 11 09:44:12 <seigex> 3430
Jul 11 09:44:16 <seigex> back
Jul 11 09:44:17 <oc80z> yeaa
Jul 11 09:44:25 <seigex> and the powervr sgx 350
Jul 11 09:44:26 <seigex> i think
Jul 11 09:44:29 <oc80z> anyone want to work on predev/homebrew
Jul 11 09:44:34 <oc80z> theres like 30 applications we need to add.
Jul 11 09:44:40 <seigex> which is the video card
Jul 11 09:44:42 <oc80z> i only started 1
Jul 11 09:44:47 <seigex> like what
Jul 11 09:44:59 <oc80z> dunno
Jul 11 09:45:12 <oc80z> i started this http://predev.wikidot.com/homebrew
Jul 11 09:45:22 <oc80z> and theres 31 apps
Jul 11 09:45:23 <seigex> i can't do homebrew
Jul 11 09:45:38 <seigex> i'm a palm developer and am bound by their nda
Jul 11 09:45:44 <seigex> although i can discuss creating apps now
Jul 11 09:45:48 <oc80z> naa naa
Jul 11 09:45:54 <seigex> actually i might be able to
Jul 11 09:45:58 <seigex> cus i think i can post source code now
Jul 11 09:46:04 <seigex> i just cant give out the tools
Jul 11 09:46:18 <oc80z> i understand that but, theres this precentral.com website that actually feels like a razor in my brain when....
Jul 11 09:46:31 <oc80z> hrm
Jul 11 09:46:31 <seigex> haha
Jul 11 09:46:35 <oc80z> ya feel me?
Jul 11 09:46:36 <seigex> oc, how long u gonna be awake
Jul 11 09:46:50 <seigex> i have to install linux.. be back in about 20
Jul 11 09:46:52 <oc80z> not for long
Jul 11 09:47:03 <seigex> damn i wont have anyone to chat with
Jul 11 09:47:04 <oc80z> aight
Jul 11 09:47:09 <oc80z> oh thats all?
Jul 11 09:47:13 <seigex> yeah
Jul 11 09:47:16 <oc80z> :P
Jul 11 09:47:20 <seigex> hah
Jul 11 09:47:20 <seigex> brb
Jul 11 09:51:58 <oc80z> i think we need more wiki maintenence
Jul 11 10:17:22 <seigex> hi
Jul 11 10:17:26 <seigex> damn ircii
Jul 11 10:21:41 <oc80z> heh
Jul 11 10:22:09 <oc80z> yeh
Jul 11 10:22:14 <oc80z> so what do u do at palm
Jul 11 10:26:48 <oc80z> :-O
Jul 11 10:29:24 <oc80z> drugs?
Jul 11 10:33:00 * seig3x is away. auto-away (10m) (ar/lp)
Jul 11 10:42:01 <oc80z> .................
Jul 11 10:43:33 <seig3x> hi
Jul 11 10:43:35 <seig3x> drugs
Jul 11 10:43:36 * seig3x is back. hi. ..(10m35s)
Jul 11 10:43:58 <seig3x> i'm on drugs?
Jul 11 10:44:02 <seig3x> not recently
Jul 11 10:45:12 <seig3x> i cant send mms through my phone for some reason
Jul 11 10:45:18 <seig3x> not getting to the person i'm sending it to
Jul 11 10:45:31 <oc80z> cool
Jul 11 10:47:36 <oc80z> ....just caught up on ep13 southpark
Jul 11 10:49:58 <oc80z> later
Jul 11 10:56:00 * seig3x is away. auto-away (10m) (ar/lp)
Jul 11 11:59:24 <vmlemon_> Hi
Jul 11 12:10:06 <czarphanguye> sup vmlemon
Jul 11 14:55:07 <blau-mikedg> hrmm i found a forum post a while ago that explained how to switch numbers between 2 plans in the same account
Jul 11 14:55:17 <blau-mikedg> and i cant find it now, any ideas? not ESN swapping
Jul 11 15:48:03 <corq-FL> and...webOS doctor save my a** :)
Jul 11 15:48:10 <corq-FL> w00t
Jul 11 17:40:56 <en0x> hmm
Jul 11 17:43:43 <en0x> now the batteery patch is blah
Jul 11 17:43:53 <en0x> 96% and it says that the battery is full
Jul 11 17:43:58 <en0x> and it wont charge anymore
Jul 11 17:44:00 <en0x> :P
Jul 11 17:47:24 <psykoz> the battery patch tells you the accurate battery level, and yes the pre doesn't fully charge it
Jul 11 17:48:07 <psykoz> it's actually safer to suspend charging a battery ~95% or so than actually trying to get it to full 100%
Jul 11 17:48:21 <psykoz> most consumer electronics misreport battery charges to you
Jul 11 17:50:05 <psykoz> anyway the point of the pre battery patch is to report to you the accurate charge, because before you patched it, it would report to you that your battery was 100% while plugged in, but soon as you unplugged it and a few seconds later it'd then show 95% and you'd go "woah, wtf how did I lose 5% battery in 3 seconds?"
Jul 11 17:58:53 <en0x> yap
Jul 11 18:02:08 <Eguy> Man, I hate calling CS
Jul 11 18:27:07 <destinal> anyone seeing occasional blueooth a2dp audio skipping?  it could be my headphones or interference on my side but it's a couple quick drops like clicks in an average song, I think it could get annoying if I modded these headphones for a car connection
Jul 11 18:27:54 <destinal> s/ooth/tooth/
Jul 11 18:34:18 <tharris-> meh building sendmail from scratch cause debian is fail
Jul 11 19:19:22 <Klownicle>  When I root meh pre, is there anything I need to do to it?  Ive heard things like I need to secure it from the internet.  This true?
Jul 11 19:20:11 <czarphanguye> Klownicle: not true, the wiki has you block all evdo ssh attempts
Jul 11 19:20:23 <JamesBaud> were can i find the music player icons? Im trying to do the Photos Slideshow from the pre dev wiki
Jul 11 19:20:43 <Klownicle> And if I didn't follow the wiki to the next step..
Jul 11 19:20:46 <Klownicle> *whistles*
Jul 11 19:20:51 <Klownicle> So ill take that as a yes LOL
Jul 11 19:21:05 <Klownicle> Was that the Optware step?
Jul 11 19:25:00 <Klownicle> It seems the pre is only in trouble when your in developer mode and all that fun stuff if I read correctly.
Jul 11 19:25:01 <destinal> it's part of the default dropbear configuration when you install dropbear
Jul 11 19:25:02 <czarphanguye> Klownicle: the dropbear step 4
Jul 11 19:25:17 <czarphanguye> `/usr/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT`
Jul 11 19:25:50 <destinal> and yeah you should turn off dev mode when you're not using it
Jul 11 19:33:06 <Eguy> hey guys, how do I root the emulator? LoLz
Jul 11 19:41:51 <destinal> Eguy: lol  putty localhost 5522
Jul 11 19:42:08 <Eguy> What is putty?
Jul 11 19:42:22 <destinal> nice, I get you now
Jul 11 19:42:24 <Eguy> where does localhost go
Jul 11 19:42:27 <Eguy> I am so lost
Jul 11 19:42:39 <Eguy> Please help me :(
Jul 11 19:43:03 <destinal> Eguy: go to precentral.net ;)
Jul 11 19:43:10 <Eguy> lol
Jul 11 19:43:11 <destinal> I'm sure they'll square you away
Jul 11 19:43:16 <Eguy> hahaha
Jul 11 19:43:42 <destinal> seriously they're being way nice to that guy who posted asking how to copy and paste in putty
Jul 11 19:43:48 <destinal> dear gods
Jul 11 19:44:00 <Eguy> haha I would have banned him
Jul 11 19:44:10 <Eguy> But that is why I am not an Admin there LOL
Jul 11 19:44:21 <destinal> it's like, uh, ask whoever supports putty?
Jul 11 19:44:22 <Eguy> There would be 5 members lol
Jul 11 19:44:37 <destinal> bother them :)
Jul 11 19:45:16 <Eguy> Is rebooting the same thing as shutting the phone off and turning it back on?
Jul 11 19:45:19 <Eguy> Wow
Jul 11 19:46:14 <destinal> are there really people who don't update so they can email links to ipks?
Jul 11 19:46:20 <destinal> and install there?
Jul 11 19:46:26 <Eguy> I think so
Jul 11 19:46:38 <Eguy> I just use ipkg-opt install ipk
Jul 11 19:46:44 <Eguy> it takes 1 second
Jul 11 19:46:55 <destinal> well I guess they deserve to get pwned with other the security vulns that have been fixed in 104
Jul 11 19:48:40 <destinal> only downside of an OSS installer app -- it needs novacomd running on the phone.  whiich is better in a guide, konami code or power off, hold up, plug in USB?
Jul 11 19:49:06 <destinal> the latter method is bootie really but should work
Jul 11 19:49:44 <destinal> the point I keep trying to make is there is no rooting
Jul 11 19:49:50 <destinal> and you don't need root to install stuff anyway
Jul 11 19:49:59 <Eguy> The only thing I don't like about dev mode is it takes so long to reboot, yes 1:30 is too long for my impatient ass
Jul 11 19:50:01 <destinal> err don't need ssh, shell, etc
Jul 11 19:50:20 <Eguy> My 700p was 20 seconds
Jul 11 19:50:22 <destinal> so you vote for the latter method?
Jul 11 19:50:25 <Eguy> yeah
Jul 11 19:50:57 <Eguy> I usually wait for a couple of ipks before i root my pre and install
Jul 11 19:51:24 <destinal> err, devmode it, eguy?
Jul 11 19:51:30 <Eguy> yeah
Jul 11 19:52:18 <Eguy> I have had my Pre over a month :O
Jul 11 19:52:25 <Eguy> Scary
Jul 11 19:53:20 <Eguy> Reply in the "Pre battery life getting worse" thread: I turned off aim and I get 2 to 3 days per charge umm yeah... sure
Jul 11 19:54:09 <destinal> the downside of optware is now an installer / uninstaller app has two repositories to maange
Jul 11 19:54:17 <destinal> manage
Jul 11 19:54:55 <destinal> I personally don't see any problem with just using the standard ipkg repo
Jul 11 19:55:16 <Eguy> Oh my god, McLaren Mercedes in the 3rd row :O wow
Jul 11 19:55:58 <destinal> well I guess except overlapping package names, but it really complications external management
Jul 11 20:11:19 <JamesBaud> im trying the 'Change Carrier String', i put the string "4G Network" but doesnt work? Are there any limitations?
Jul 11 20:14:39 <Eguy> Obviously
Jul 11 20:14:49 <Eguy> The Pre does not have 4G hardware
Jul 11 20:15:14 <JamesBaud> i know
Jul 11 20:15:17 <Eguy> Why do people keep thinking 4G will work? It is a 3G phone.
Jul 11 20:15:18 <destinal> Eguy: but it's just a displayed string right?
Jul 11 20:15:21 <JamesBaud> i just want it to display 4g
Jul 11 20:15:28 <Eguy> Why lol
Jul 11 20:15:35 <JamesBaud> cuz Sprint is lame
Jul 11 20:15:40 <destinal> so lie
Jul 11 20:15:41 <destinal> :)
Jul 11 20:15:42 <JamesBaud> 4G Network
Jul 11 20:15:46 <JamesBaud> sounds better
Jul 11 20:15:52 <Eguy> lol
Jul 11 20:15:52 <destinal> 31337G
Jul 11 20:15:54 <destinal> is better
Jul 11 20:15:57 <JamesBaud> lolz
Jul 11 20:16:01 <Eguy> Verizon sounds better :P
Jul 11 20:19:01 <Eguy> Maybe it cannot be spaced?
Jul 11 20:21:08 <JamesBaud> let me check
Jul 11 20:22:09 <Eguy> Anybody getting a BB Tour tomorrow?
Jul 11 20:23:10 <destinal> bb?
Jul 11 20:23:19 <Eguy> berry
Jul 11 20:23:41 <destinal> meh
Jul 11 20:25:56 <destinal> hidd looks cool
Jul 11 20:27:55 <Eguy> Still black and white OS though
Jul 11 20:28:08 <destinal> eh?
Jul 11 20:28:57 <Eguy> Have you seen the blackberry OS?
Jul 11 20:29:04 <Eguy> Its black white and blue
Jul 11 20:29:09 <Eguy> boring as hell
Jul 11 20:29:09 <destinal> not in a long time
Jul 11 20:29:12 <Eguy> dull
Jul 11 20:32:50 <Eguy> http://images.crackberry.com/files/kevin/reviews/9630/stormmenus.jpg
Jul 11 20:34:25 <destinal> all kinds of cool tunables in  /etc/hidd
Jul 11 20:35:01 <Eguy> Like a DJ turntable?
Jul 11 20:35:12 <Eguy> :P
Jul 11 20:35:13 <destinal> no, not TURN tables
Jul 11 20:35:14 <destinal> lol
Jul 11 20:35:27 <Eguy> I know, I am just giving you a hard time ;)
Jul 11 20:51:21 <A2NY> hi
Jul 11 20:51:31 <Eguy> A2NY!
Jul 11 20:51:35 <Eguy> Long time no talk
Jul 11 20:51:37 <corq-FL> heya
Jul 11 20:52:05 <A2NY> party weekend xD
Jul 11 20:52:29 <A2NY> any thing cool lately
Jul 11 20:52:45 <A2NY> anymore cpu frequency nuts come in :P
Jul 11 20:53:11 <Eguy> Nope, your our resident cpu scaling guy :P
Jul 11 20:53:19 <Eguy> Someone posted on the forums
Jul 11 20:53:31 <Eguy> a new thing for cpu scaling
Jul 11 20:53:44 <A2NY> lol
Jul 11 20:53:45 <A2NY> new thing
Jul 11 20:53:55 <A2NY> they make it easy for me and make a new kernel ?
Jul 11 20:55:12 <Eguy> The coolest think lately is all the noobs are going to be shipped to mars
Jul 11 20:55:15 <Eguy> thing*
Jul 11 20:55:31 <A2NY> nice
Jul 11 20:56:26 <A2NY> so this is the goal
Jul 11 21:12:00 <JamesBaud> having problems, any ideas?
Jul 11 21:12:00 <JamesBaud> root@castle:/opt/share/wallswitcher# ls
Jul 11 21:12:00 <JamesBaud> wallswitcher.sh
Jul 11 21:12:00 <JamesBaud> root@castle:/opt/share/wallswitcher# wallswitcher.sh
Jul 11 21:12:00 <JamesBaud> -sh: wallswitcher.sh: not found
Jul 11 21:12:48 <JamesBaud> im trying to do the 'Random Wallpaper Switching'
Jul 11 21:13:00 <A2NY> what stop
Jul 11 21:13:01 <A2NY> step
Jul 11 21:13:29 <JamesBaud> 'Testing the Script'
Jul 11 21:13:37 <JamesBaud> sudo /opt/share/wallswitcher/wallswitcher.sh
Jul 11 21:13:44 <JamesBaud> im in root so i didnt use sudo
Jul 11 21:13:50 <JamesBaud> but still not working
Jul 11 21:13:54 <A2NY> of corse
Jul 11 21:14:03 <A2NY> cat /opt/share/wallswitcher/wallswitcher.sh
Jul 11 21:14:08 <A2NY> do you get anything ?
Jul 11 21:14:33 <JamesBaud> yup, i see the code
Jul 11 21:14:36 <A2NY> ok
Jul 11 21:14:41 <A2NY> did you make it exec?
Jul 11 21:14:44 <A2NY> chmod ?
Jul 11 21:14:52 <JamesBaud> chmod 755 /opt/share/wallswitcher/wallswitcher.sh
Jul 11 21:14:55 <A2NY> yes
Jul 11 21:14:57 <JamesBaud> did that
Jul 11 21:15:29 <JamesBaud> it just says file not found but i see it, i dont get it
Jul 11 21:16:38 <A2NY> cron running ?
Jul 11 21:16:51 <A2NY> initctl start crond
Jul 11 21:16:55 <JamesBaud> yup
Jul 11 21:17:19 <JamesBaud> root@castle:/etc/cron/crontabs# initctl start crond
Jul 11 21:17:20 <JamesBaud> (02155/342873514) crond (start) waiting
Jul 11 21:17:20 <JamesBaud> (02155/343636453) crond (start) starting
Jul 11 21:17:20 <JamesBaud> (02155/344246805) crond (start) pre-start, process 4550
Jul 11 21:17:20 <JamesBaud> (02155/368691385) crond (start) spawned, process 4553
Jul 11 21:17:20 <JamesBaud> (02155/369423807) crond (start) post-start, (main) process 4553
Jul 11 21:17:22 <JamesBaud> (02155/370156229) crond (start) running, process 4553
Jul 11 21:17:28 <A2NY> lol
Jul 11 21:17:32 <A2NY> now try the script
Jul 11 21:17:54 <A2NY> - /opt/share/wallswitcher/wallswitcher.sh
Jul 11 21:17:56 <JamesBaud> did, keeps saying file not found, i think i just gata start from scratch
Jul 11 21:18:50 <A2NY> what do you get
Jul 11 21:18:56 <A2NY> - cd //opt/share/wallswitcher/
Jul 11 21:19:04 <A2NY> ls -a
Jul 11 21:19:05 <JamesBaud> i see wallswitcher.sh
Jul 11 21:19:37 <A2NY> what is the exact error
Jul 11 21:19:41 <A2NY> when you try to run it
Jul 11 21:19:44 <JamesBaud> root@castle:/opt/share/wallswitcher# ls -a
Jul 11 21:19:44 <JamesBaud> . .. wallswitcher.sh
Jul 11 21:20:03 <JamesBaud> root@castle:/opt/share/wallswitcher# wallswitcher.sh
Jul 11 21:20:03 <JamesBaud> -sh: wallswitcher.sh: not found
Jul 11 21:20:09 <A2NY> chmod -x wallswitcher.sh
Jul 11 21:20:37 <sugardave> you might need to install/switch to bash
Jul 11 21:20:40 <JamesBaud> lol, worked, but now:
Jul 11 21:20:47 <JamesBaud> root@castle:/opt/share/wallswitcher# wallswitcher.sh
Jul 11 21:20:48 <JamesBaud> -sh: wallswitcher.sh: Permission denied
Jul 11 21:20:57 <A2NY> chmod back to 755
Jul 11 21:20:58 <sugardave> I've gotten that error before when the shell magic is incorrect or ksh is the script language
Jul 11 21:21:20 <A2NY> did you set this part up right ?
Jul 11 21:21:22 <A2NY> export PATH=$PATH:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin/:/usr/local/bin:/opt/bin:/opt/sbin
Jul 11 21:21:39 <JamesBaud> do you type that command or edit it somewere?
Jul 11 21:22:05 <JamesBaud> i typed that command in root
Jul 11 21:22:34 <sugardave> you can type that anywhere, but if you close that session or start a new one that change will be lost
Jul 11 21:22:53 <sugardave> it's just an environment variable for the current logged in session
Jul 11 21:23:19 <sugardave> if you do the profile update part of the wiki, that PATH will always be set properly for root
Jul 11 21:24:45 <JamesBaud> shit
Jul 11 21:25:26 <JamesBaud> ok, will do, ty
Jul 11 21:28:45 <CIA-76> bzhou * r10438 optware/trunk/make/libvorbis.mk: libvorbis: 1.2.2 -> 1.2.3
Jul 11 21:28:50 <CIA-76> bzhou * r10439 optware/trunk/make/calcurse.mk: calcurse: 2.5 -> 2.6
Jul 11 22:10:17 <destinal> hmm, the screen buffer we're handed is very very similar to a gdk pixbuf, maybe that'll make it easier to port some gdk-based app
Jul 11 22:15:30 <tmzt> yeah
Jul 11 22:15:33 <tmzt> hey again
Jul 11 22:15:40 <destinal> hi tmzt
Jul 11 22:15:44 <tmzt> that's why I suggested vte
Jul 11 22:16:25 <tmzt> it also handles the pty stuff I think
Jul 11 22:16:28 <destinal> so here's the thing, we should be able to make a copy of our pixbuf handed by the draw event and copy that in whenever we receive draw evetns
Jul 11 22:16:30 <destinal> events
Jul 11 22:16:51 <tmzt> have you been able to use the same plugin in midori?
Jul 11 22:16:53 <destinal> since it can't be written to while not handling one
Jul 11 22:16:58 <tmzt> right
Jul 11 22:17:09 <tmzt> so you use gdk, create a pixbuf
Jul 11 22:17:28 <tmzt> and draw it to the screen buffer on the draw event
Jul 11 22:17:57 <tmzt> pass your key events to gdk
Jul 11 22:18:05 <destinal> right, all that should be necessary is just copy the rgba part of the pixbuf over
Jul 11 22:18:07 <tmzt> and any gtk code should be portable
Jul 11 22:18:15 <destinal> as long as they are same dimension
Jul 11 22:18:20 <tmzt> is the office app included with pre?
Jul 11 22:18:27 <tmzt> well yes
Jul 11 22:18:47 <destinal> there's an office plugin
Jul 11 22:19:08 <tmzt> but since your draw may only cover part of the offscreen buffer you may need to draw part of your pixmap
Jul 11 22:19:16 <tmzt> ok, it's free
Jul 11 22:19:22 <tmzt> I wasn't sure
Jul 11 22:19:39 <destinal> well I don't know what app calls it
Jul 11 22:20:00 <destinal> but there is a /usr/lib/BrowserPlugin/OfficeAdapter.so
Jul 11 22:20:01 <destinal> why?
Jul 11 22:20:25 <destinal> tmzt: hmm partial draws will be complicated
Jul 11 22:20:38 <tmzt> I was wondering if it was worth making abiword work at some point
Jul 11 22:20:42 <destinal> if I try to wrap with gdk
Jul 11 22:20:43 <tmzt> why?
Jul 11 22:20:54 <destinal> because we need a seperate buffer not the native one
Jul 11 22:21:02 <tmzt> yes
Jul 11 22:21:06 <tmzt> a gdk pixmap
Jul 11 22:21:14 <destinal> so if I draw part of it I need to queue up a draw for part when I come back
Jul 11 22:21:19 <destinal> best to just copy
Jul 11 22:21:43 <tmzt> pixbuf will allocate what it needs
Jul 11 22:21:46 <tmzt> it is a copy
Jul 11 22:21:50 <bpadalino> destinal, have you tried writing a thread to keep drawing to the screen and returning from the drawevent ?
Jul 11 22:22:13 <destinal> bpadalino: well I tried but I was having it write asynchronously to the buffer
Jul 11 22:22:19 <tmzt> you always draw the whole thing to the os pixbuf
Jul 11 22:22:22 <destinal> and the buffer is not ready for being drawn to execpt in a draw event
Jul 11 22:22:30 <destinal> tmzt: ok we're on the same page then
Jul 11 22:22:45 <tmzt> then only blit part of that on a draw event
Jul 11 22:22:46 <tmzt> yes
Jul 11 22:22:47 <bpadalino> destinal, what was happening if you kept drawing to it ?
Jul 11 22:22:54 <tmzt> but gdk makes it easier
Jul 11 22:22:57 <destinal> bpadalino: segfault luna
Jul 11 22:23:01 <bpadalino> ah
Jul 11 22:23:25 <destinal> tmzt: how do you blit part on a draw event?
Jul 11 22:23:31 <destinal> tmzt: how do you keep track?
Jul 11 22:24:11 <tmzt> not sure, if gdk doesn't provide the appropriate function, take the parameters from the draw event and copy manually
Jul 11 22:24:29 <tmzt> topY bottomY stride, etc.
Jul 11 22:24:35 <destinal> tmzt: the asnyc thing is what I mean
Jul 11 22:24:51 <tmzt> not getting it
Jul 11 22:25:04 <destinal> tmzt: gdk functions are not writing to the screen's pixbuf
Jul 11 22:25:11 <tmzt> by part I mean what the draw event requests
Jul 11 22:25:15 <tmzt> right
Jul 11 22:25:25 <tmzt> they are writing to an allocated pixbuf
Jul 11 22:25:39 <tmzt> you blit from it to the screenbuf
Jul 11 22:25:40 <destinal> tmzt: right, so I figured on draw event just blit in the whole thing
Jul 11 22:25:53 <tmzt> only what the draw event says to
Jul 11 22:25:57 <destinal> if I have to keep track of what parts have been changed I need my own queue
Jul 11 22:26:05 <tmzt> it can request a partital update
Jul 11 22:26:23 <tmzt> that's dirty rect
Jul 11 22:26:27 <destinal> ah
Jul 11 22:26:29 <tmzt> this is double buffering
Jul 11 22:26:37 <destinal> so in case it covers part of the window and wants it redrawn
Jul 11 22:26:44 <tmzt> yes
Jul 11 22:27:02 * destinal is new to all this graphics stuf
Jul 11 22:27:05 <destinal> makes sense though
Jul 11 22:27:23 <tmzt> seems luna handles that
Jul 11 22:27:33 <tmzt> it knows what's covered
Jul 11 22:27:45 <tmzt> so it sends an expose/draw event
Jul 11 22:27:50 <destinal> tmzt: It gives me src and dest buffer info
Jul 11 22:27:54 <wkalam2> anyone know if the preflist-assistant.js changed from webos 1.0 to current? I must've screwed it up trying to tweak the roaming settings and I'm wondering if I can restore it from the 1.0 image?
Jul 11 22:28:01 <destinal> not locations but dimension
Jul 11 22:28:03 <tmzt> yeah, not sure what those are
Jul 11 22:28:09 <tmzt> right
Jul 11 22:28:31 <tmzt> maybe for scrolling which you will need
Jul 11 22:28:54 <tmzt> your terminal will probably be too slow if you redraw on every linefeed
Jul 11 22:29:03 <destinal> hmm, I seem to recall the draw event had a blit method of some sort
Jul 11 22:29:10 <destinal> maybe I can make the palm provided code do the copy
Jul 11 22:29:22 <tmzt> yeah
Jul 11 22:29:25 <tmzt> sounds good
Jul 11 22:29:43 <tmzt> what I mean is you need to use blit to scroll
Jul 11 22:29:49 <destinal> right
Jul 11 22:29:49 <tmzt> or some accel method
Jul 11 22:29:58 <destinal> otherwise it's too slow
Jul 11 22:30:04 <tmzt> but getting this working first is fine
Jul 11 22:30:13 <destinal> yeah I'll settle for slow to start :)
Jul 11 22:31:49 <destinal> not having direct writes to the window from the terminal code and doing it async makes things like scrolling a lot more complicated especially since writes are composited until after return
Jul 11 22:31:54 <destinal> aren't
Jul 11 22:33:00 <destinal> I mean if you want to accelerate it
Jul 11 22:33:54 <destinal> well we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. :)
Jul 11 22:55:22 <destinal> bbl
Jul 11 23:24:18 <atlanta> wsup people
Jul 11 23:24:41 <atlanta> i need some help
Jul 11 23:25:41 <blau-mikedg> rmm i found a forum post a while ago that explained how to switch numbers between 2 plans in the same account
Jul 11 23:25:49 <blau-mikedg> and i cant find it not, not ESN swapping
Jul 11 23:44:54 <joesmith> Howdy yall
Jul 11 23:45:26 <joesmith> Just got my pre today and am about to root it
Jul 11 23:45:46 <joesmith> quick question do I have to use patches?
Jul 11 23:46:45 <jauderho_> you do not HAVE to but probably a good idea if you want to be able to recreate things later (replacement pre etc.)
Jul 11 23:48:10 <joesmith> well I was thinking why couldnt I just have a copy of the files I have edited, and reload them if I have to?
Jul 11 23:49:19 <jauderho_> you can. good idea to take copious notes too
Jul 11 23:50:18 <jauderho_> that said, some of the hacks require executing scripts so there needs to be a good way to do that too.
Jul 11 23:51:19 <joesmith> I probably will use the patches, all I wanted to know was if I could simply copy and edited files to another pre and have the same result.
Jul 11 23:51:38 <jauderho_> theoretically, yes =)
Jul 11 23:51:48 <joesmith> I have been playing around with the sdk and I dont see why some files wouldnt operate correctly
Jul 11 23:52:06 <joesmith> simple "hacks" ony
Jul 11 23:52:10 <jauderho_> that said, I really need to get off my butt and rehack my replacement pre.
Jul 11 23:53:37 <joesmith> my therory is of I am doing my friend a favor by adding more global search ons or email in landscape, I dont want to go through any long proccess when I can drop the file I already made in there
Jul 12 00:02:09 <joesmith> ok I have a question I have been using the sdk for several weeks and do I really need to install novacomd since its already running on my pc
Jul 12 00:02:45 <jauderho_> no idea?
Jul 12 00:03:33 <jauderho_> I only used a mac.
Jul 12 00:05:18 <joesmith>  dont use a mac os anymore
Jul 12 00:07:01 <atlanta> Anybody good with making apps her e
Jul 12 00:07:02 <atlanta> ?
Jul 12 00:07:35 <atlanta> joesmith: nope sdk installs novacomd for  you
Jul 12 00:21:04 <webos> hello I just have a question.  My pre is rooted through the novaproxy method and it worked fine the first time but now whenever I put my pre in developer mode and run novaproxy to begin root mode again, it says it does not find my pre.  Although it is plugged in and in developer mode, any tips on how to get it to read the pre?
Jul 12 00:21:54 <joesmith> is novacomd running?
Jul 12 00:22:19 <joesmith> first off what os are you using
Jul 12 00:33:36 <joesmith> ok so I just got my pre and I cant decide what I want to install, dropbear or openssh I know openssh is so versatile but dropbear is 1/2 the size ;/
Jul 12 00:33:59 <jauderho_> well do you need all the features?
Jul 12 00:34:08 <jauderho_> dropbear works just fine.
Jul 12 00:37:21 <joesmith> I think I will go with dropbear, but I like openssh
Jul 12 00:40:12 <jauderho_> I'll take the space savings.
Jul 12 00:45:39 <joesmith> ok so for someone reason root@castle:/# wont respond any thoughts?
Jul 12 00:46:06 <jauderho_> ?
Jul 12 00:46:23 <destinal> try control-q
Jul 12 00:46:54 <destinal> in case you happened to hit control-s earlier telling the terminal to freeze output
Jul 12 00:47:12 <joesmith> nope didnt work
Jul 12 00:47:21 <destinal> is this ssh?
Jul 12 00:47:39 <joesmith> its novaproxy
Jul 12 00:47:49 <destinal> I've seen it seem to freeze sometimes especially when using usbnet
Jul 12 00:47:51 <destinal> not sure why
Jul 12 00:48:01 <joesmith> nope just rooted it
Jul 12 00:48:11 <joesmith> and about to install optware
Jul 12 00:48:18 <joesmith> but it wont respond
Jul 12 00:48:31 <destinal> try closing novaproxy and stopping and restarting the palm novacom service
Jul 12 00:48:37 <destinal> (start, run, services.msc)
Jul 12 00:48:49 <destinal> then try novaproxy again
Jul 12 00:48:53 <joesmith> k
Jul 12 00:50:05 <NegaCreep> has anyone been able to remotely take a picture?
Jul 12 00:52:35 <joesmith> I thought you could remotely "view pictures", I may be wrong but I never read anything about taking them.
Jul 12 00:54:14 <joesmith> hmm I guess you can according to the wiki
Jul 12 00:54:34 <NegaCreep> I'm sure when you start the app but i dont know what params to pass into the app
Jul 12 00:56:05 <joesmith> ok after restarting the novacomd service I cant get putty to log into the phone
Jul 12 00:56:12 <joesmith> it just hangs
Jul 12 00:57:58 <destinal> joesmith: you closed novaproxy first, then restarted the windows service "palm novacom" then started novaproxy then ran putty?
Jul 12 00:58:08 <joesmith> yes
Jul 12 00:58:16 <joesmith> I am doing it again
Jul 12 00:59:06 <webos> hey guys, any of you know why my rooted pre is invisible when I run novaproxy?
Jul 12 00:59:26 <webos> it says not connected or in developer mode and I have it connected yet it still says its not
Jul 12 01:00:07 <jauderho_> rwhitby you around?
Jul 12 01:00:24 <joesmith> is novacomd.exe running webos?
Jul 12 01:01:00 <jauderho_> has anyone gotten dropbear to work with gitorious?
Jul 12 01:02:49 <joesmith> ok sweet I got it to open and not hang, but it double types everything
Jul 12 01:02:55 <destinal> joesmith: the "Palm Novacom" service, in services (I'm not sure what it's executable name is) connects over usb to a webOS device which has a novacomd on that side
Jul 12 01:03:14 <destinal> joesmith: the instructions tell you to turn off local echo or something like that to prevent that
Jul 12 01:03:24 <joesmith> I did
Jul 12 01:03:28 <destinal> check again
Jul 12 01:03:52 <destinal> if you closed and restarted putty the new instance won't have it
Jul 12 01:04:43 <webos> destinal
Jul 12 01:04:57 <webos> do you know anything about why my pre may not be read by novaproxy
Jul 12 01:05:09 <joesmith> iittss mmyy kkeeyybbooarrdd nneedd ttoo rreessttaarrtt,, bbeenn aacctiing uupp aall ddaayy
Jul 12 01:05:24 <destinal> odd
Jul 12 01:05:47 <webos> when I try to get into root.  The phone is rooted, but when I run novaproxy now it says it cannot find my pre
Jul 12 01:05:50 <destinal> webos: what operating system?
Jul 12 01:05:59 <webos> win vista 32
Jul 12 01:06:15 <destinal> ok, start, run, "services.msc" to bring up services control panel
Jul 12 01:06:20 <destinal> look for "Palm Novacom" service
Jul 12 01:06:24 <destinal> stop and restart that
Jul 12 01:07:14 <destinal> then try novaproxy again
Jul 12 01:07:15 <webos> ok
Jul 12 01:07:38 <webos> you rock my friend.
Jul 12 01:07:59 <destinal> :) thanks, glad it's working
Jul 12 01:08:40 <webos> oooo wait
Jul 12 01:08:43 <webos> so it kind of is working
Jul 12 01:09:52 <destinal> hmm.. kind of?
Jul 12 01:10:19 <webos> yeah, now it said novacomd is not running
Jul 12 01:10:32 <webos> after I restarted palm novacom of course
Jul 12 01:10:36 <destinal> webos: is your pre in dev mode?
Jul 12 01:11:33 <webos> yeah
Jul 12 01:11:34 <webos> it is
Jul 12 01:11:46 <webos> it recommends I re run the novacom installer.
Jul 12 01:11:49 <destinal> try disconnecting and reconnecting the usb cable
Jul 12 01:11:52 <webos> ok
Jul 12 01:12:05 <destinal> then try novaproxy again
Jul 12 01:13:19 <webos> no dice.  and I just double checked
Jul 12 01:13:26 <webos> develop. mode is on
Jul 12 01:13:47 <destinal> do you have anything that might be affecting your usb interfaces, like vmware, virtual box, or anything?
Jul 12 01:15:13 <webos> I doubt so, anything that has to do with programming or linux is all from this rooting, I wouldnt have anything else on my pc
Jul 12 01:15:23 <destinal> hmm
Jul 12 01:15:27 <webos> should I try to reinstall novaproxy?
Jul 12 01:15:33 <destinal> yeah I guess I would try reinstall novaproxy
Jul 12 01:16:08 <destinal> if that doesn't work, and if you have another computer, you might try there
Jul 12 01:16:49 <webos> yeah worst case I could set it up on my laptop I suppose
Jul 12 01:17:04 <webos> because last time this happened as well and I had to reinstall it all over
Jul 12 01:17:06 <webos> and try again
Jul 12 01:17:31 <destinal> you could also install vmware and connect the USB into vmware, then you could just connect the pre to it and run the linux version of novacom -- I've never had it fail
Jul 12 01:17:56 <destinal> of course since that involves installing linux first it's fairly drastic
Jul 12 01:18:22 <destinal> you should be able to get it going on this machine or the other with novaproxy, I've done it on multiple computers and never had issues like these :/
Jul 12 01:20:21 <webos> yeah, I mean it may just be something stupid I'm not seeing
Jul 12 01:20:33 <webos> but you know its odd because it worked before with the same settings
Jul 12 01:21:12 <destinal> It could *somehow* be the pre side I guess...
Jul 12 01:21:26 <destinal> turn off dev mode, reboot, turn it on?
Jul 12 01:21:35 <webos> worth a short.
Jul 12 01:21:38 <webos> shot*
Jul 12 01:24:52 <webos> its odd that it says that novacomd is not installed now.
Jul 12 01:25:01 <webos> and when I try to run novacominstallerx86 it does nothing
Jul 12 01:25:40 <destinal> if you go start run, service.msc again, it's still there, right?
Jul 12 01:25:43 <destinal> you can stop and restart it
Jul 12 01:25:53 <destinal> what's the exact error it says?
Jul 12 01:26:12 <destinal> err services.msc
Jul 12 01:26:26 <jauderho_> AH CRAP
Jul 12 01:26:36 <jauderho_> dropbear does not want to play nice at all with git
Jul 12 01:26:38 <webos> im gonna get what is says for you in a min
Jul 12 01:29:30 <webos> I'm going to try to manually locate the drivers for palm novacmd and see if maybe thats why its not locating it
Jul 12 01:35:51 <webos> destinal the error message is:
Jul 12 01:36:12 <webos> proxying connection to novacom running on port 50253"
Jul 12 01:36:24 <webos> novacomd is not running.  Please re rin the novacomeinstaller and try again
Jul 12 01:40:27 <rboatright> destinal - you got a moment?
Jul 12 01:40:30 <jauderho_> HAH
Jul 12 01:40:36 <jauderho_> I got dropbear and git to work
Jul 12 01:40:44 <joesmith> hey yall
Jul 12 01:40:44 <jauderho_> nasty but it looks like it works.
Jul 12 01:40:45 <rboatright> good for you jauderho_
Jul 12 01:41:08 <jauderho_> dropbear is so braindead. it won't automatically look for a RSA key.
Jul 12 01:41:15 <rboatright> ah
Jul 12 01:41:25 <jauderho_> so now it pushes to gitorious
Jul 12 01:41:26 <rboatright> well, it IS half-the-size of openssh
Jul 12 01:41:45 <jauderho_> okay the code to check for a file is minuscule =P
Jul 12 01:41:59 <joesmith> I <3 openssh
Jul 12 01:42:05 <jauderho_> I had to create a /opt/bin/sssh file and set GIT_SSH
Jul 12 01:42:21 <jauderho_> but then again I saved half the space =P =P
Jul 12 01:45:04 <jauderho_> anyone else using the patch repo on gitorious?
Jul 12 01:45:21 <jauderho_> if so, can you please do a git pull to make sure things come down correctly?
Jul 12 01:50:18 <joesmith> has anyone used the ssh from the pre to something else?
Jul 12 01:50:29 <joesmith> and have you found it useful?
Jul 12 01:51:58 <sugardave> joesmith: I've used ssh from the Pre to my laptop to copy stuff before I got WinSCP working
Jul 12 01:52:28 <jauderho_> well I just used ssh to push code from the pre to gitorious =)
Jul 12 01:53:24 <joesmith> so would you reccomend that I go ahead and install it?
Jul 12 01:53:57 <sugardave> joesmith: what do you mean, if you already have dropbear or openssh installed, it's there
Jul 12 01:54:32 <joesmith> well I am installing dropbear on my pre that I just got
Jul 12 01:54:44 <sugardave> once you install it, you will have ssh
Jul 12 01:54:56 <joesmith> sorry I ment the ssh gen
Jul 12 01:55:43 <joesmith> have not installed the ssh keygen on the pre
Jul 12 01:55:50 <sugardave> oh, the key generator?  you might need that, but I have not installed it myself
Jul 12 01:56:16 <joesmith> and I was wondering WHY I would need it besides the obvious key gen part
Jul 12 01:56:17 <sugardave> I think...it's been awhile since I did this :D
Jul 12 01:56:41 <sugardave> that's all it's for....to generate keys to use against different systems
Jul 12 01:57:02 <joesmith> I know but I still have to copy them to the system
Jul 12 01:57:04 <jauderho_> you can generate keys using dropbear
Jul 12 01:57:41 <jauderho_> see http://ff.im/4EqGk if you need help.
Jul 12 01:58:33 <joesmith> ty Ive been there, I dont have a problem installing it I just dont see why I need it
Jul 12 01:58:52 <jauderho_> you dont unless you plan on contributing to the gitorious repo
Jul 12 01:59:05 <jauderho_> OR you need to ssh to some other machine for remote admin
Jul 12 01:59:13 <rwhitby> jauderho_: you know that you can run the dropbear server and run the openssh client at the same time, right?
Jul 12 01:59:37 <joesmith> I still have to copy files to the remote machine though :/
Jul 12 01:59:51 <jauderho_> yes but I'm a glutton for punishment and got dropbear working by itself =)
Jul 12 02:00:13 <jauderho_> rwhitby actually I have no idea how to do dropbear server + openssh client
Jul 12 02:00:34 <rwhitby> jauderho_: the applying-patches page details it.
Jul 12 02:00:57 <jauderho_> heh I see it now.
Jul 12 02:01:02 <rwhitby> just have dropbear running as normal, and then install openssh but don't install the openssh upstart script (so the daemon doesn't start)
Jul 12 02:01:13 <jauderho_> oh well, I was able to get this working.
Jul 12 02:01:19 <jauderho_> one patch commited.
Jul 12 02:01:26 <jauderho_> actually I was going to ask you.
Jul 12 02:01:34 <rwhitby> jauderho_: which repo did you push to?
Jul 12 02:01:45 <jauderho_> modifications
Jul 12 02:01:54 <jauderho_> just a little patch to enable dev mode icon.
Jul 12 02:02:04 <rboatright> rwhitby -- if you have a moment, please take a look at http://predev.wikidot.com/porting-older-apps
Jul 12 02:02:10 <jauderho_> figure that would be an easy thing to do to make sure every thing works.
Jul 12 02:02:37 <jauderho_> rwhitby I did want to ask you about some other hacks though. some hacks are going to require running scripts
Jul 12 02:02:45 <jauderho_> how do you want to handle that since it's not a patch
Jul 12 02:02:56 <jauderho_> for example the enable call duration hack.
Jul 12 02:03:24 <jauderho_> I can codify it in a script but it can't be stored as a patch as sqlite commands need to be run
Jul 12 02:03:37 <rwhitby> jauderho_: unless gitorious has serious lag, I don't see any commits to modifications since thursday.
Jul 12 02:03:57 <jauderho_> that's the wierd part
Jul 12 02:04:05 <jauderho_> i'm trying to figure out now.
Jul 12 02:04:10 <jauderho_> if you click on the master link
Jul 12 02:04:13 <jauderho_> you see the link
Jul 12 02:04:20 <rwhitby> jauderho_: put a script in the same repo dir as the patch, and then the instructions can just tell people to wget and run the script.
Jul 12 02:04:27 <jauderho_> and if you do a git pull/clone it comes down
Jul 12 02:04:35 <rwhitby> (in the future, the GUI patch application app can then do the same)
Jul 12 02:04:37 <jauderho_> git log shows the diff
Jul 12 02:05:12 <jauderho_> okay. that's a good idea.
Jul 12 02:05:38 <rwhitby> ok, see it now.  Can you put a description in the patch please, giving a  brief idea of what it does, and referencing the wiki page if there is one?
Jul 12 02:05:45 <jauderho_> so I'm not sure why the main page on gitorious for the modifications repo does not show the activity.
Jul 12 02:06:05 <rboatright> and if there isn't one, please MAKE a wiki page and link it into one of the portal pages.
Jul 12 02:06:12 <jauderho_> I did put a description in
Jul 12 02:06:14 <rwhitby> give the script a .sh file extension to make it clear it's not a patch
Jul 12 02:06:36 <rwhitby> jauderho_: a description in the patch itself, not just the git commit message
Jul 12 02:06:40 <jauderho_> well this one is a patch not a script but when I make one for the call duration it'll have to be a script.
Jul 12 02:06:54 <jauderho_> rwhitby: the desc is in the patch. at the very top.
Jul 12 02:07:02 <jauderho_> http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/commit/c1626ed5ad7c70a67e1ce9b667f36b076403f2a5
Jul 12 02:07:13 <rwhitby> jauderho_: this is so a future tool can grab the description out of the patch.
Jul 12 02:07:24 <rwhitby> ah, ok.  I see it now.
Jul 12 02:07:41 <jauderho_> heh. I am anal about documentation too.
Jul 12 02:07:47 <jauderho_> =)
Jul 12 02:08:17 <rwhitby> just making sure that these patches are formed such that a future gui tool can present information on which users can base their decisions about whether to select that patch or not.
Jul 12 02:08:50 <jauderho_> now, being a new quilt user, when creating patches, I should pop everything, make the patch then push right?
Jul 12 02:09:13 <jauderho_> wanted to make sure so that there are not strange dependencies.
Jul 12 02:11:00 <rwhitby> yes, you can also ask quilt about which files are touched by the patch, and then which other patches touch each file
Jul 12 02:11:53 <jauderho_> well lets say p1 touches file1 and p2 touches file2 is there still a dependency from p1 to p2 if I do a  quilt new p1, then quilt new p2?
Jul 12 02:12:26 <jauderho_> or should I do a quilt new p1, quilt pop then quilt new p2 just to be safe?
Jul 12 02:13:55 <rwhitby> well, we are going to end up with dependencies for overlapping patches anyway ...
Jul 12 02:14:59 <jauderho_> true so depends how we want to handle that...
Jul 12 02:18:12 <rwhitby> jauderho_: that's why we've grouped patches by app - then we should note any dependencies in the doco of the patch
Jul 12 02:18:42 <rwhitby> if two patches conflict on the same file, then we should choose the most popular one to be pushed first, and the least popular one to be pushed last
Jul 12 02:18:50 <jauderho_> agreed
Jul 12 02:19:24 <jauderho_> there should be a README file for all of this. =)
Jul 12 02:19:48 <JackieRipper> I've thought about going through some of the mods posted to the wiki and submitting patches fro them
Jul 12 02:19:52 <rwhitby> jauderho_: please update the applying-patches page, or perhaps create a new creating-patches page :-)
Jul 12 02:20:04 <jauderho_> =)
Jul 12 02:20:10 <jauderho_> MAYBE
Jul 12 02:20:11 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: that would be much appreciated by all I expect.
Jul 12 02:20:18 <jauderho_> yes indeed
Jul 12 02:20:39 <jauderho_> that's what I'm going to do too now that I have this commit figured out
Jul 12 02:20:44 <JackieRipper> how about a patches page, as well?
Jul 12 02:21:36 <JackieRipper> just a list of current patches with brief descriptions, and possibly a link to the page containing the manual process?
Jul 12 02:22:10 <JackieRipper> I think I can do that, if others think there is value in it
Jul 12 02:24:09 <iki> a word of the day app would be cool
Jul 12 02:26:34 <joesmith> or an inspirational quote of the day like....
Jul 12 02:27:02 <joesmith>  "Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm."
Jul 12 02:27:16 <joesmith> winston churchill
Jul 12 02:27:21 <sugar_dave> you could just use /etc/motd
Jul 12 02:27:49 <joesmith> does motd stand for message of the day?
Jul 12 02:27:52 <sugar_dave> yep
Jul 12 02:28:11 <joesmith> thought so I have a cool one on my swith...........
Jul 12 02:28:11 <sugar_dave> not on the Pre, though :D
Jul 12 02:28:30 <sugar_dave> oh, it's there, nevm
Jul 12 02:42:36 <destinal> joesmith: you mean fortune
Jul 12 02:42:51 <destinal> a mojo fortune app would be way easy
Jul 12 02:45:06 <joesmith> fortune?
Jul 12 02:45:13 <joesmith> like a fortune cookie?
Jul 12 02:47:36 <joesmith> I hope the pre never gets thousands of pointless apps like some inferior phones :D
Jul 12 02:49:00 <rwhitby> optware has fortune in it somewhere ...
Jul 12 02:55:11 <destinal> joesmith: it will
Jul 12 02:55:19 <destinal> joesmith: get thousands of pointless apps
Jul 12 02:56:26 <rboatright> sure.  Look at soundboard.
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