**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 13 02:59:57 2009 Jul 13 03:48:56 it works! Jul 13 03:49:03 it? Jul 13 03:49:06 what works???? Jul 13 03:49:42 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/optware-bootstrap.sh Jul 13 03:50:46 what is it Jul 13 03:51:11 script automate the whole root setup Jul 13 03:52:59 creates /opt, downloads ipkg-opt, configures the feeds, interactively creates an account, installs sudo, installs dropbear, installs sftpd, installs quilt, clones the webos-internals modifications repo Jul 13 03:54:20 basically, do dev mode, talk.py, telnet in, wget this script, chmod +x, run it, reboot Jul 13 03:54:31 and you're set Jul 13 03:56:26 nice!!! Jul 13 03:57:05 now if we can only make a script to do the rest, UP TO that point Jul 13 03:57:35 which you can. Jul 13 03:57:38 what's up to that point? Jul 13 03:57:48 it's an extension to talk.py Jul 13 03:58:16 i meant to do the talk.py, telnet in, and wget Jul 13 03:58:17 it does the stuff after talk.py, telnet's in, wgets the script, chmod's it, runs it, and calls reboot. Jul 13 03:58:26 lol Jul 13 03:58:46 one file, do it all!#@% Jul 13 03:59:18 so, you have the entire process down to this: Download GetMeIn. Turn on DevMode Run GetMeIn. answer username answer password. Wait. Jul 13 03:59:46 absolutely no possiblity of mis-typing. Jul 13 04:00:25 that'd be kinda cool Jul 13 04:00:35 the scrip also asks if you want to enable ssh connections from WiFi, EVDO or both Jul 13 04:00:55 cphelps called it "autorooter" but I haven't seen him anywhwere for a week. :-( Jul 13 04:00:56 i just enabled mine for wifi Jul 13 04:01:04 should i do it through evdo Jul 13 04:01:05 me too Jul 13 04:01:26 actually, I just enabled mine for usb. I figure my usb cable is pretty secure. Jul 13 04:01:26 there's no reason to Jul 13 04:01:52 i tried the usb/ethernet thing, now every time i plug in my pre, i get windows trying to install a usbnet file! Jul 13 04:01:58 cant figure out how to stop it lol Jul 13 04:02:12 on the pre do usbnet disable Jul 13 04:02:28 or install the usbnet stuff on your windows machine Jul 13 04:03:58 love that /sbin/reboot command, dont ask me why Jul 13 04:03:59 lol Jul 13 04:04:28 you guys got any suggestions on how to make the wifi stay connected, when the phone locks Jul 13 04:04:45 hye everyone, I was owndering if is there any reason my screen would come on at random? Jul 13 04:04:53 tlz: plug it in or stream music Jul 13 04:05:37 good call jack Jul 13 04:06:30 it comes on at random like I hit the button on the pwer button Jul 13 04:07:26 wow, no clue on that one Jul 13 04:08:07 message coming in? Received email? both those will light the screen. Jul 13 04:08:17 there may be other things... new voice mail perhaps. Jul 13 04:08:20 not sure. Jul 13 04:08:28 nope Jul 13 04:08:33 or, your Pre could be possesed. Jul 13 04:08:35 it doesnt even unlock Jul 13 04:08:41 not unlock Jul 13 04:08:43 just light up Jul 13 04:09:09 it wasnt doing it yesterday before I rooted and installed stuff Jul 13 04:09:18 Rooting doesn't do that,. Jul 13 04:09:21 what'd you install Jul 13 04:09:30 Installing "stuff" otoh, depends on the stuff. Jul 13 04:09:32 what stuff? Jul 13 04:09:45 can someoe link me to the past bin Jul 13 04:09:54 I made a list of my mods as I went Jul 13 04:11:33 http://predev.pastebin.com/ Jul 13 04:11:58 http://webos.pastebin.com/m1253879a Jul 13 04:12:14 I am glad I documented my steps as I went :) Jul 13 04:13:40 7.deleted Sprint app "visible": "false", deleted /usr/luna/launchpoints/12022008 Jul 13 04:13:51 8. Changed boot screen images saved and changed Jul 13 04:14:06 thats it so far Jul 13 04:14:57 I have been messing around with the applauncher seeing how it works Jul 13 04:15:04 via sdk Jul 13 04:15:17 so I havent done anything else on my phone Jul 13 04:16:31 I cant think of anything that would make it do this that I have modded Jul 13 04:16:40 gnight all Jul 13 04:16:50 bye Jul 13 04:18:21 pm me if you have any thoughts I am wiped out ty in advance as always, you guys rock Jul 13 04:20:20 sup there AS Jul 13 04:40:27 Hey tiz Jul 13 04:48:23 hey eguy Jul 13 04:49:38 what's the good word? Jul 13 04:49:53 not a dang thing man Jul 13 04:49:58 playing with the pre code a lil Jul 13 04:50:17 trying to find out where certain apps call up the sounds Jul 13 04:50:30 not having good luck tho lol Jul 13 04:51:50 haha Jul 13 04:52:40 im guessing its somewhere in these .jar files lol Jul 13 04:52:45 in the .jar is .class files Jul 13 04:52:57 and is there a decent program for editing .class files Jul 13 04:53:16 dreamweaver Jul 13 04:53:24 hmmm Jul 13 04:53:33 i have that! Jul 13 04:56:57 tlz: which apps? Jul 13 05:01:47 jackie, just trying to mess with the phone app Jul 13 05:02:16 instead of tones when you press the buttons, i want to make it so it says the #'s instead.. "one, two, three, four, five" Jul 13 05:02:19 type stuff Jul 13 05:02:35 but i cant figure out a way to get into these .class files, dreamweaver doesn't open them on my puter Jul 13 05:04:06 if it's normal java, .class was bytecode compiled from .java source code Jul 13 05:04:31 so in short, im not GOING to be able to open them lol Jul 13 05:04:56 you either need the source, or some de-compiler Jul 13 05:05:30 and i have niether Jul 13 05:06:00 there're interpreters running on jvm that can inspect java classes Jul 13 05:06:06 such as jython Jul 13 05:06:40 i should just wait for the sdk lol Jul 13 05:07:17 actually, getting jython running on pre might not be difficult Jul 13 05:07:39 im just lookin at them on my puter Jul 13 05:07:40 then, you can dir(java_class) Jul 13 05:07:50 My eyes hurt Jul 13 05:08:10 why Jul 13 05:08:24 Not sure Jul 13 05:08:30 Probably my monitor Jul 13 05:08:43 how long u been glaring at a computer monitor? Jul 13 05:08:44 get a new one Jul 13 05:08:45 But I haven't been on it much in the last 2 days Jul 13 05:09:04 i'll make u a screamin deal. what size u want ;) Jul 13 05:09:08 It's a fantastic monitor Jul 13 05:09:11 probably eye strain Jul 13 05:09:41 Haven't slept as much as usual either so it is probably that as well Jul 13 05:15:45 eguy, drink nyquil Jul 13 05:16:16 lol, then wake up 36hrs later wondering what just happened Jul 13 05:17:28 hahah Jul 13 05:17:29 i cant drink that stuff, its nasty, and doesn't work Jul 13 05:17:36 Taste like shit Jul 13 05:17:39 sometime i mix nyquil and dayquil for a little AFTERNOONQUIL! Jul 13 05:17:49 *rimshot* Jul 13 05:18:01 what whaaaat! in the butt! Jul 13 05:21:10 why would one want a bash shell on their pre Jul 13 05:24:00 i dont know, why would anyone wnat an app that makes fart sounds on their pre?! --> http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/192394-prebrewfarts-v0-1-5-no-rooting-required.html Jul 13 05:26:44 HEY! A fart app is a MUST Jul 13 05:26:53 hmm wtf? root@castle:/# ipkg-opt update Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/Packages.gz wget: bad address 'ipkg.nslu2-linux.org' An error ocurred, return value: 1. Collected errors: ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /opt/ipkg-CjeIe0 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/Packages.gz' Jul 13 05:29:58 JackieRipper: next thing is to make sure the optware-bootstrap script is idempotent (i.e. you can run it twice and it works out what it does and doesn't need to do to get you to the same outcome) Jul 13 05:30:29 yup Jul 13 05:30:48 we try and do that for all optware bootstrap scripts ... Jul 13 05:30:54 not there yet Jul 13 05:31:06 but it will be... perhaps tomorrow Jul 13 05:31:14 now it's in a repo, others can help. Jul 13 05:38:15 :) Jul 13 05:52:00 any shell apps yet (besides webshell or ajaxphpterm)? Jul 13 06:14:51 * raeb sneezes Jul 13 06:15:23 bless you Jul 13 06:17:59 raeb: nice work on the eclipse project files ... Jul 13 06:18:26 raeb: so you're looking at the mojo side / embedder? Jul 13 06:18:38 sure makes making code chages and deploying them nice n easy Jul 13 06:19:11 * destinal isn't quite used to git in eclipse, it's very different from svn Jul 13 06:19:14 yeah, i need to figure out a way to, a: expose custom methods in a browser pluging, and call them from js Jul 13 06:19:37 eguy, do u there there will be Pre porn Jul 13 06:19:38 and b: hook an event handler up so my browser plugin can call the js any time Jul 13 06:19:45 like there is iphone porn Jul 13 06:19:45 lol Jul 13 06:20:04 raeb: I was looking at that, it looks like the stock plugins do it probably using this mechanism. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko_Plugin_API_Reference/Scripting_plugins Jul 13 06:20:19 but I can't figure out yet how to export a function or add it to a callback table Jul 13 06:20:25 the calling side looks really easy Jul 13 06:20:28 in regards to A or B ? Jul 13 06:20:33 o Jul 13 06:20:35 oh a Jul 13 06:21:02 the NPAPI docs aren't very detailed on scripting though Jul 13 06:21:12 I downloaded some of the firefox code on it and am looking through it now Jul 13 06:21:31 basicplugin came from there originally btw Jul 13 06:21:45 I just added a lot of debugging and the palm specific events Jul 13 06:22:14 (where did I put that code?).. hmm Jul 13 06:23:35 ok npruntime may be the ticket Jul 13 06:23:59 o yeah? Jul 13 06:24:07 wow I've risen to hit #1 on google for firefox npsimple Jul 13 06:24:54 trying to find the browsable firefox code Jul 13 06:25:04 I have a checkout of it but a link would be better Jul 13 06:25:11 hahah Jul 13 06:25:59 destinal: http://mxr.mozilla.org/ Jul 13 06:26:12 jdub: thanks Jul 13 06:26:38 ok http://mxr.mozilla.org/firefox/source/modules/plugin/samples/npruntime/ Jul 13 06:28:09 aha Jul 13 06:28:11 how about Jul 13 06:28:17 listing all methods and properties of an object Jul 13 06:28:22 how to do that in javascript.... Jul 13 06:28:26 in NPP_GetValue we're asked to say whether we're scriptable Jul 13 06:28:40 http://mxr.mozilla.org/firefox/source/modules/plugin/samples/npruntime/npp_gate.cpp Jul 13 06:29:38 -- // here the plugin is asked by Mozilla to tell if it is scriptablewe should return a valid interface id and a pointer to nsScriptablePeer interface which we should have implemented Jul 13 06:29:39 *(NPObject **)value = plugin->GetScriptableObject(); Jul 13 06:30:05 right but it won't try anything if we haven't returned the right answer to GetValue Jul 13 06:30:52 oh right Jul 13 06:30:55 175 Jul 13 06:31:01 that's the line that returns the structure Jul 13 06:31:55 case NPPVpluginScriptableNPObject: *(NPObject **)value = plugin->GetScriptableObject(); break; Jul 13 06:33:28 if you run the plugin I think we're getting called with that Jul 13 06:33:53 basic: NPP_SetValuebasic: NPP_SetWindow Jul 13 06:33:54 basic: NPP_GetValue - npPalmCachePluginValue (#10001) Jul 13 06:33:54 basic: NPP_GetValue - NPPVpluginScriptableNPObject (#15) Jul 13 06:34:17 well i can now show all exposed functions of a browser plugin Jul 13 06:34:19 for (var i in this.bp) { Jul 13 06:34:19 output += i + '(' + typeof(this.bp[i]) + ')
'; Jul 13 06:34:19 } Jul 13 06:34:19 Jul 13 06:34:19 this.controller.get('phOut').update(output); Jul 13 06:34:27 cool Jul 13 06:34:46 have you tried it on any of the stock plugins yet? Jul 13 06:35:40 palmSetTarget Jul 13 06:35:58 on the hello plugin Jul 13 06:36:21 try switching your embed in the hello plugin for a sec Jul 13 06:36:48 embed PDFAdapter.so Jul 13 06:37:12 by use of 'application/x-palm-pdfadapter' Jul 13 06:37:31 and check out what functions it exposes Jul 13 06:37:43 just want to validate we can see the ones I see in the js Jul 13 06:37:48 kk Jul 13 06:38:07 theres a lot Jul 13 06:38:10 what am i looking for Jul 13 06:38:16 saveAs ? Jul 13 06:38:54 i dont think so Jul 13 06:38:55 sec Jul 13 06:38:58 lemme check others Jul 13 06:39:21 on the wiki plugin page I have a list of the mime types of all Jul 13 06:39:24 of the stock ones Jul 13 06:39:41 methinks no Jul 13 06:40:52 well it might be worth a seperate research page on the wiki just listing all of the functions of all the stock plugins Jul 13 06:40:58 they may be useful at some point Jul 13 06:41:24 plus I could compare them to the Javascript method calls we see in the code to make sure we're looking at the same thing Jul 13 06:41:43 yeah Jul 13 06:41:47 anyway I want to make sure that I can expose an function and we see it that way at least so that's a target Jul 13 06:41:49 browserplugin.saveAs is null Jul 13 06:42:11 and OfficeAdapter? Jul 13 06:42:14 I think it has one Jul 13 06:42:42 weres the mimes for these again Jul 13 06:42:57 browser-plugins wiki page Jul 13 06:43:06 o Jul 13 06:43:19 /usr/lib/BrowserPlugins/OfficeAdapter.so:application/x-palm-officeadapter Jul 13 06:43:29 I rooted the Pre ; install ssh; yet the Pre may have reverted back with the latest update; I can ssh into the Pre, yet need to make the file system writable. Jul 13 06:43:49 destinal: yeah, null on office addapter Jul 13 06:44:05 raeb:so that means it's specifically defined and presented? Jul 13 06:44:34 null is just its value at that point, but it exists in the list of functions? Jul 13 06:44:35 Do I have to root the Pre again to make the file system writeable? rootfs_open -w ... is not working for me. Jul 13 06:44:52 rujin: there is no rooting. mount -o remount,rw / Jul 13 06:44:59 if you want to edit things Jul 13 06:45:17 destinal: let me try that Jul 13 06:45:19 um Jul 13 06:45:45 destinal: if i load the officeaddistant object and try to replace the element, should i see the plugin? Jul 13 06:46:10 Aaugh...mount: permission denied. (are you root?) Jul 13 06:46:23 raeb: it may not have a gui by default Jul 13 06:46:24 looks like I have to root it again Jul 13 06:46:43 rujin: there is no rooting. sudo su - or just su - if you gave root a password Jul 13 06:48:00 destinal: I may have done something weird...sudo is no longer available for me...cat /etc/sudoers give me nothing Jul 13 06:49:02 rujin: ok you may want to go through the directions again then Jul 13 06:49:21 destinal: the object has children elements tho, i wonder what they are Jul 13 06:49:51 by the object you mean the adapter object? Jul 13 06:50:10 that tends to be palms word for their plugins Jul 13 06:50:26 bah nothings Jul 13 06:53:54 destinal: AH HA!!! i segfaulted basicplugin when the object was drawn off the screen Jul 13 06:54:21 raeb: I tried adding for (var i in this.bp) {output += i + '(' + typeof(this.bp[i]) + ')
';} to the setup function of helloplugin Jul 13 06:54:34 but didn't see anything, how do you display the output? Jul 13 06:54:37 did you set up this.bp first? Jul 13 06:54:44 //setup object Jul 13 06:54:44 this.bp = document.createElement('object'); Jul 13 06:54:44 this.bp.type = 'application/x-webosinternals-basicplugin'; Jul 13 06:54:44 //this.bp.type = 'application/x-palm-media;media;Media File'; Jul 13 06:54:44 // call the function and update the display Jul 13 06:54:45 var output = ''; Jul 13 06:54:47 for (var i in this.bp) { Jul 13 06:54:48 ah Jul 13 06:54:49 output += i + '(' + typeof(this.bp[i]) + ')=' + this.bp[i] +'
'; Jul 13 06:54:51 } Jul 13 06:54:53 this.controller.get('phOut').update(output); Jul 13 06:54:55 and phOut is a div on my view Jul 13 06:54:57 scene Jul 13 06:55:05 sory for spam Jul 13 06:55:32 raeb: it's ok, just pastebin next time :) Jul 13 06:55:48 yaya Jul 13 06:55:55 ah, ok, I should have gotten bp = browserplugin -- dohg Jul 13 06:56:15 mite want to style="font-size:50%" on phOut Jul 13 06:57:34 is this a seperate app you've made? Jul 13 06:57:43 ya Jul 13 07:00:28 if you can send it to save me having to write it myself, it would save some time. alas, I have to get to bed anyway Jul 13 07:00:46 destinal: How do I check if Optware package is installed? Will I break anything if I perform the Optware package install again? Jul 13 07:01:03 yeh bed for me too Jul 13 07:02:17 rujin: ipkg-opt list packagename or ipkg-opt info packagename Jul 13 07:02:34 destinal: thanks Jul 13 07:02:52 it won't bother installing it if it's already installed so no problem there Jul 13 07:03:38 err sorry that should list_installed packagename Jul 13 07:03:42 root@castle:/var/opt# ipkg-opt list ipkg-opt Jul 13 07:03:42 ipkg-opt - 0.99.163-10 - The Itsy Package Manager Jul 13 07:03:59 so it's installed Jul 13 07:04:01 no Jul 13 07:04:04 do list_installed Jul 13 07:04:09 anyway ipkg-opt is installed Jul 13 07:04:14 or you wouldn't be able to run ipkg-opt Jul 13 07:04:39 list gives all packages with that name list_installed any installed packages, I had it wrong at first Jul 13 07:05:53 destinal: Aaugh...it lists sudo as installed...yet I can't access it from ssh. Jul 13 07:05:56 sudo - 1.7.0-1 - System utility to execute commands as the superuser Jul 13 07:06:44 rujin: sorry I have to get to bed, hopefully someone can help you or you could just try the process over again Jul 13 07:07:09 destinal: no worries thanks for you input thus far. Jul 13 07:07:17 you're welcome -- good night Jul 13 07:16:49 I am having an issue with this command Jul 13 07:16:53 root@castle:/var/opt/etc# chmod 640 /opt/etc/sudoers Jul 13 07:17:12 bin/sh: chmod: not found Jul 13 07:17:20 but... Jul 13 07:17:57 chmod -h gives me usage instructions...wtf Jul 13 07:20:17 rujin: ls /opt/etc/sudoers Jul 13 07:20:45 root@castle:/var/opt/etc# ls /opt/etc/sudoers Jul 13 07:21:02 opt/etc/sudoers Jul 13 07:21:38 I removed the first / for irc... /opt/etc/sudoers Jul 13 07:22:07 odd Jul 13 07:22:51 root@castle:/var/opt/etc# ls -al Jul 13 07:22:51 -rw-r----- 1 root root 739 Jun 28 18:02 sudoers Jul 13 07:23:04 you're in /var/opt/etc though Jul 13 07:23:10 yes Jul 13 07:24:17 well, /opt/etc/ != /var/opt/etc ... which one do you really want to change? Jul 13 07:27:57 true...I am a bit confused now Jul 13 07:28:47 I am following the instructions on ...Enable a method for your new unprivileged user account to gain root privileges. Jul 13 07:29:26 my issue relates to this command... Jul 13 07:29:28 # configure portion Jul 13 07:29:29 chmod 640 /opt/etc/sudoers Jul 13 07:30:50 It does not allow me to enter into /opt/etc/sudoers...this folder (sudoers) may not even exist Jul 13 10:24:41 i need help jailbreaking or pwning my palm pre Jul 13 10:27:39 i started the webosdoctor100...rar program and it froze my phone for a few minutes then restarted it Jul 13 10:28:11 this caused my phone firmware to be"CC1.1(90)" Jul 13 10:28:19 is this correct? Jul 13 10:47:34 * rwhitby wonders why people use iphone terminology to describe installing an ssh daemon on a Pre ... Jul 13 10:49:36 b/c apple fanboys are the bane of human existence Jul 13 13:15:47 blau-mikeDG did jc figure it out? Jul 13 13:36:59 the topic reminds me, I'd better call Sprint about my rebate since it's said "processing, check back in 1-2 weeks" for almost a month Jul 13 13:37:29 (yeah, I know that's not really relevant to webOS development) Jul 13 13:57:42 hmm, someone should help me write a metronome app Jul 13 14:24:13 After installing usbnet novacomd can't find my Pre - thoughts? Jul 13 15:01:35 gah no bash on the shell Jul 13 15:02:04 trying to do this number.. rm blah[49-80].jpg ... Jul 13 15:02:06 possible/ Jul 13 15:04:55 ls blah49.jpg blah5?.jpg blah6?.jpg blah7?.jpg blah80.jpg Jul 13 15:05:03 if that works, change ls to rm. Jul 13 15:09:05 I'm looking at the file system, the /var/logs are very interesting - are we documenting the layout anywhere? Jul 13 15:10:28 drnull: little more work but that did what I was after thanks Jul 13 15:13:48 even with bash, i'm not sure about blah[49-80].jpg would work Jul 13 15:14:28 eno: did on my desktop Jul 13 15:14:40 has anyone tried mc (midnight commander) on pre? Jul 13 15:15:07 that could be pretty cool Jul 13 15:15:27 if you had access to it in the ui that would be kinda bad.. Jul 13 15:15:51 i found it a little strange bash able to parse [49-80] to do what you mean Jul 13 15:16:01 may try later Jul 13 15:16:09 your files (pictures etc) have root permissions, to be able to do anything your your files you would have run mc as root Jul 13 15:16:48 im kinda surpised that webos doesnt run everything with a default username.. (notroot) Jul 13 15:17:24 anyone add more games to the connect4 trial ? Jul 13 15:17:34 eno: what would you use otherwise..? Jul 13 15:18:38 alphakamp: why not echo blah49.jpg blah[567897][0123456789].jpg blah80.jpg Jul 13 15:18:46 change echo to rm if you like the list Jul 13 15:19:24 destinal1: ah nice that would have been a bit easier Jul 13 15:19:59 hmm i just brought a point.. Jul 13 15:20:02 567897 should have been 567 sorry Jul 13 15:20:08 webos executes everything.. as root... Jul 13 15:20:14 thats not very linux kosher... Jul 13 15:20:31 Having problems with novacomd after trying to install usbnet - anyone have any suggestions? Jul 13 15:20:54 gusste: did you reboot? and is developermode still enabled? Jul 13 15:21:01 Roger that to both Jul 13 15:21:26 alphakamp: actually echo blah49.jpg blah[5-7][0-9].jpg blah80.jpg should do as well Jul 13 15:21:42 hmm ive not installed usbnet.. Jul 13 15:22:22 destinal1: thats odd taht aht works but blah[49-80].jpg doesnt.. Jul 13 15:23:01 the ranges are just per character it seems, though there may be a better way Jul 13 15:23:13 prob Jul 13 15:23:21 I didn't get a chance to get it installed either - had some messing around to do (finish up dropbear config, etc) and when I went to do it, my putty session was dead Jul 13 15:23:26 any thoughts on everything running as root? Jul 13 15:23:34 unix did it of old Jul 13 15:23:39 iphone did when they first shipped Jul 13 15:23:56 just seems like bad form to me... Jul 13 15:23:59 it's a bad practice to run as root when you don't have to because any vulnerability exploited in your program runs its code as root Jul 13 15:24:15 exactly.. hope that gets fixed.. Jul 13 15:24:51 some pieces will need it. but as much as possible should be given granular controls Jul 13 15:25:10 one could even use something like SELinux with its granular ACL's Jul 13 15:25:40 I really dont want to be running my webbrowser as root... Jul 13 15:25:56 yeah, very sensible not to want to Jul 13 15:26:32 and even better the browser should not be able to access the cdma modem or your phonebook Jul 13 15:27:25 i would really like to hear an official word from palm about this.. Jul 13 15:27:35 then ask them Jul 13 15:27:37 the reason it it's hard right now I think, it's really ALL the browser Jul 13 15:27:54 A2NY: where and who? Jul 13 15:28:12 http://www.palm.com/us/company/contact-us.html Jul 13 15:28:39 LunaSysMgr is one process and even browser plugins are part of it Jul 13 15:29:51 there's not much in the way of internal sandboxing like you see on android, where even remote code execution is unable to get outside of the app its in. in android, own the browser, great, you can do anything the browser can do, but nothing else Jul 13 15:30:50 think im gonna email webos-security@palm.com Jul 13 15:32:02 yeah noticed everythign seems to spawn from lunasysmgr.. Jul 13 15:39:36 lunaSysMgr and 'java' Jul 13 15:41:08 I can login to my Pre via SFTP (using Filezilla), but can't write to it once logged in. Suggestions? Jul 13 15:41:26 permission denied Jul 13 15:41:37 thats because root owns everythign Jul 13 15:42:17 sudo /opt/libexec/sftp-server for the sftp server Jul 13 15:42:21 ssh in make a dir change the permissions so taht your user owns the dir and then you can copy to it Jul 13 15:42:52 what ^ A2NY said Jul 13 15:43:07 thank you both Jul 13 15:43:13 I'll give it a go Jul 13 15:46:27 A2NY: or just restrict your ssh to usb0 and allow scp in as root Jul 13 15:53:44 Rick__: so VTE looks like it mostly does that Jul 13 15:53:56 (writes to a structure like a gdk pixbuf) Jul 13 15:55:14 ok, Jul 13 15:55:28 I looked at regular vte but not demo Jul 13 15:55:44 I didn't realize it was an actual working term Jul 13 15:56:16 evil vte looked great, it's tiny. then I realized it's tiny because everything is done by gtk Jul 13 15:56:32 ahhh Jul 13 15:56:34 I want something that does native writes to a pixbuf Jul 13 15:56:49 and I don't want to have to port gtk just now Jul 13 15:56:59 MOST vte based terminals use gtk Jul 13 15:57:15 right, it's just a lot of complexity that I'm not interested in at this point Jul 13 15:57:38 I'm in past my knowledge level at any rate, so I want to learn it one step at a time Jul 13 15:57:58 btw if you know anyone who can help, I've put out a call for project members to make this terminal thing a reality Jul 13 15:57:59 nope. demo.c uses gtk Jul 13 15:58:43 raeb joined us over the weekend and he's helped get everything into eclipse and is working on the javascript side. he had the idea to do a terminal totally in the DOM that I think is promising Jul 13 15:58:58 but we really need c++ and gdk people Jul 13 15:59:11 ahh Jul 13 15:59:21 des, there _is_ a terminal that runs entirely in the dom. Jul 13 15:59:32 I've seen a few Jul 13 15:59:48 but we need to figure out how to make our plugin scriptable Jul 13 16:00:05 there's docs on NPAPI but it seems thin Jul 13 16:00:08 and that's why I thought all you really needed was a socket plugin for the dom/js terminalto attach to. Jul 13 16:00:16 the sample called npruntime from mozilla looks better Jul 13 16:01:14 we understand the mechanism as of last night for answering a call on GetValue from the browser to the plugin asking for scripting support Jul 13 16:01:37 and it looks like we need to return another func table for callbacks Jul 13 16:01:49 but then I had to go to bed Jul 13 16:03:54 Also re graphics we've got all kinds of fun drawing but it's ugly because we need to use a second buffer and blit properly (drawing directly is too slow and so leaves lines while drawing) and also we haven't gotten the source and destination stuff handled right so we redraw properly when the window slides around or is covered Jul 13 16:04:12 ie we're drawing direct right now and we need to draw elsewhere and blit Jul 13 16:04:59 all this stuff is pretty basic graphics handling which we really could use someone with that skillset Jul 13 16:05:29