**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 02 02:59:57 2009 Aug 02 03:00:27 does anyone know where the events are? Aug 02 03:00:41 what events? Aug 02 03:02:30 any events Aug 02 03:09:08 there are a lot of events Aug 02 03:09:16 linux events Aug 02 03:09:19 mojo events Aug 02 03:09:22 power events Aug 02 03:09:26 button press events Aug 02 03:09:30 switch events Aug 02 03:09:34 what'cha looking for Aug 02 03:09:43 network related events Aug 02 03:09:50 be more specific again Aug 02 03:10:12 IP, DNS etc Aug 02 03:10:42 what about those things? You want an announcement to binary or to mojo, when it changes, when wifi comes up... what? Aug 02 03:10:52 all those things will have very very different answers Aug 02 03:11:35 I guess experience is the best teacher I will blunder through somethings until I know what I am looking for Aug 02 03:11:40 thanks rick Aug 02 03:12:47 uh ok. but what are you trying to ACCOMPLISH? Aug 02 03:13:32 I am trying to figure out what even controls the Ip adress info Aug 02 03:14:09 PmNetworkManger or some such Aug 02 03:14:11 lemme see Aug 02 03:14:36 /usr/bin/PmConnectionManager Aug 02 03:14:43 and /usr/bin/PmNetConfigManager Aug 02 03:15:01 ty Aug 02 03:16:53 does anyone know where the original 1.1 app files are online? Aug 02 03:36:13 ping mrvc Aug 02 03:39:25 bzhou * r10523 optware/trunk/make/quagga.mk - quagga: 0.99.4 -> 0.99.14 Aug 02 03:49:15 ~seen mrvc Aug 02 03:49:19 mrvc is currently on #webos-internals (1d 13h 31m 35s), last said: 'night Puff'. Aug 02 03:49:39 hai gais :D Aug 02 03:58:20 Zuchmir2: hey Aug 02 04:04:43 mrvc: was wondering about the ansidefault... Aug 02 04:04:55 did u add that? Aug 02 04:05:12 Zuchmir2: no, not sure what you mean Aug 02 04:06:04 ... someone cleaned up alot of whitespace, but CharBuffer() now has: Aug 02 04:06:08 _active_fg_color(ansiDefault), _active_bg_color(ansiBlack), _default_fg_color(ansiGreen), _default_bg_color(ansiDefault), Aug 02 04:06:12 I see active_fg_color is being set to ansiDefault initially Aug 02 04:06:39 yeah, which is 9, (9 & 7) = 7 Aug 02 04:06:58 so it's white Aug 02 04:06:58 Looks like Ryan Hope added that Aug 02 04:07:43 ok, i'm gonna change some code, so that the default colors will actualy change in real time if we ever get the card to not be destroyed Aug 02 04:08:40 ok Aug 02 04:10:01 also, now when u flip sideways, it stty -a still says row=46, cols=40 Aug 02 04:11:17 Zuchmir2: I don't see anything handling orientationChanged anymore Aug 02 04:12:12 yeah, i know, it has to go back in Aug 02 04:12:53 The old code would resize the plugin when an orientation change happened Aug 02 04:13:14 Which would end up updated the stty settings on the next SetWindow Aug 02 04:13:27 updating Aug 02 04:13:43 ... was also thinking of handling eStrikeThrough/eInverse/eUnderline Aug 02 04:14:21 Zuchmir2: yep, sounds good Aug 02 04:14:49 I've had company over and haven't been able to work on it much Aug 02 04:16:00 ok, np Aug 02 04:18:35 hmm, how do i get the "settings" to take affect now? Aug 02 04:20:44 Zuchmir2: yeah, I'm not sure. I would think the plugin instance would have to be passed to the preferences assistant, but I'm not sure if that is the right way to do it Aug 02 04:21:49 ... at the moment it only takes effect on the *next* open window Aug 02 04:24:40 so, maybe there would be a global variable that held a list of the plugin instances Aug 02 04:24:51 can it watch a config entry somehow? Aug 02 04:24:51 and when a preference changed, it would iterate through that and update each instance Aug 02 04:25:33 tmzt: possibly, I'm not familiar with how that would work Aug 02 04:26:39 in theory: u can have a globa; "list of obj", and itterate through each of them with the call to setColors() Aug 02 04:27:07 mrvc: just pushed an update with ansiDefault support Aug 02 04:27:46 ok Aug 02 04:28:35 maybe setColors() should take an optional 3rd param inidcating all instances? Aug 02 04:31:19 so, keep the instance list the plugin? makes sense I guess Aug 02 04:31:46 it means that the preferences would have to have access to one particular instance Aug 02 04:32:43 not sure how that would work, but i guees it's doable Aug 02 04:33:56 Zuchmir2: yeah, I'm not sure either Aug 02 04:34:08 hii Aug 02 04:34:35 Zuchmir2: It is probably the case that they prefer mvc type interaction Aug 02 04:34:59 where each instance would be observing the properties for changes Aug 02 04:35:11 and that might be easy to do, I just haven't looked into it yet Aug 02 04:42:52 can anyone off the top of their head name the location of libpirana? :-/ Aug 02 04:50:19 mrvc: should underline/strikethrough be the fgColor or an arbitrary color? Aug 02 04:50:32 fgColor Aug 02 04:50:44 ok Aug 02 04:51:02 i'm about to push inverse/undeline/strikethough Aug 02 04:56:02 Zuchmir2: nice Aug 02 04:56:16 Zuchmir2: I've got to go for tonight Aug 02 04:56:44 Zuchmir2: hopefully I can get more involved again soon Aug 02 04:58:10 ok, good night Aug 02 05:01:02 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/196307-preload-beta-pimp-my-pre-homebrew-app-store.html Aug 02 05:01:05 you guys see that? Aug 02 05:40:13 interesting. altho now i'm too tired to play with that after a day of wake boarding Aug 02 06:50:43 cheers to whoever got the terminal working. Aug 02 06:51:34 jjore: thanks -- there have been several people who have contributed Aug 02 06:51:51 i'm in a bar, far from irc and using my normal emacs irc to tell you this Aug 02 06:52:05 it's very nice Aug 02 06:54:12 jjore: yeah, agree. I'm at defcon in vegas and do much the same (though I'm on from pidgin at the moment) Aug 02 06:55:42 defcon? bleh. that perlmonks leak has been a PITA. Aug 02 06:56:57 wow, I can't believe I didn't hear about it until now Aug 02 06:59:31 tho being unable have the leak would have been a major PITA too, allegedly. Aug 02 07:07:56 uhh its 40x40 even in landscape Aug 02 07:12:31 every time you gesture back from the prefs menu it resets to login prompt Aug 02 07:12:38 sigh Aug 02 07:16:32 Robi_: yes, alas Aug 02 07:24:22 is jrg here? Aug 02 07:28:01 * rwhitby wonders what the Beezlewaxin and the GakAsterman drivers referred to by caleb_ are ... Aug 02 07:31:28 heh, now it's pimpmypre vs precentral ... Aug 02 07:31:51 so much wasted individual effort all trying to achieve the same thing ... Aug 02 09:44:05 Here's the feed format for pimpmypre's PreLoad application: Aug 02 09:44:07 http://pimpmypre.com/data/repo.get.php?cat=applications Aug 02 09:45:01 sigh - another non-standard way of publishing an ipkg feed. Aug 02 10:50:25 is there a way to list all the possible calls to a service like palm.com.display? Aug 02 10:50:50 I can use dbus-util to monitor it, but I don't know how to make it list all the possible options Aug 02 10:53:17 Is there anyone here? Aug 02 10:57:45 Possibly its 4am, or possibly I don't know how to use this new IRC client. Anyway, I'd be very greatful if Aug 02 10:57:45 someone could get back to me on the question if they get a chance at some point. Send me a message either on Aug 02 10:57:45 the forums or wiki; same username as here Aug 02 10:58:20 Also, I've been looking through the api listings and I can't seem to find a way to tell when the slider Aug 02 10:58:20 opens/closes. Any ideas? Aug 02 10:58:23 Thanks in advance. Aug 02 10:58:24 there is a way Aug 02 10:58:29 look into dbus introspection Aug 02 11:00:56 ok, thanks. it looks like I need to get the dbus module and I should be able to play around with that posted Aug 02 11:00:56 python code Aug 02 11:01:54 zinge: please keep the wiki up to date with what you find Aug 02 11:02:43 you might want to talk to the freesmartphone.org guys - they use dbus for everything in their system, so should have some good tools for debugging Aug 02 11:04:46 Okay, I'll take a look over there tomorrow. Thanks. That reminds me, I need to update the wiki page on Aug 02 11:04:46 keyboard/display brightness now that I have my app semi-working. I'll post the luna-send calls for now; should Aug 02 11:04:46 I post the app link once its up in the forum on that page as well? Aug 02 11:07:18 please don't use a generic service running as root Aug 02 11:07:28 sorry? Aug 02 11:07:42 export the calls over dbus to actually change the settings (like SetBrightness or whatever) Aug 02 11:07:50 I am Aug 02 11:08:01 I'm not using any service Aug 02 11:08:07 That's why I wanted to post it Aug 02 11:08:14 and the app; to show an example of it being used Aug 02 11:08:15 rather than .Execute("echo 255 > /sys/class/graphics/*/brightness"); Aug 02 11:08:17 ah Aug 02 11:08:17 ok Aug 02 11:08:21 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.power/backlight/set '{"keypad":{"brightness":10}}' Aug 02 11:08:23 how are you doing it then? Aug 02 11:08:25 etc Aug 02 11:08:25 ok Aug 02 11:08:26 cool Aug 02 11:08:32 Palm provides the service Aug 02 11:08:38 Yes Aug 02 11:08:38 Kinda Aug 02 11:09:01 Its only half working at the moment; palms brightness app sets com.palm.display maxBrightness Aug 02 11:09:16 which is then used to update com.palm.power keypad and display brightness Aug 02 11:09:28 so the way I'm doing only works until a "power event" happens Aug 02 11:09:36 such as standby, display dimming, or slider closing Aug 02 11:09:43 but it does work Aug 02 11:10:22 I tried dbus-util --capture on com.palm.power and com.palm.display and started changing settings Aug 02 11:10:27 and saw what it was calling Aug 02 11:10:33 and wrote those calls into an app Aug 02 11:11:10 I also tried firing off the flash from the camera app, and hitting the gesture bar to turn on the gesture Aug 02 11:11:10 leds, but those didn't trigger any dbus calls, unfortunately Aug 02 11:11:29 otherwise there would have been an easy way to rewrite the flashlight app to not require a service Aug 02 11:13:01 I want to get the dbus introspection stuff working so that I can look through palm.com.display calls and see Aug 02 11:13:01 if there is a better way to set the brightness of the keyboard and display Aug 02 11:13:08 and that way it will follow the power events Aug 02 11:13:12 instead of being reset by them Aug 02 11:16:05 I was wondering about capturing slider events for the same app Aug 02 11:16:47 I remember someone saying there was a way to show how many times your slider had been opened and closed; Aug 02 11:16:47 anyone remember where that is? Aug 02 11:17:01 no idea Aug 02 11:20:10 How about this: import dbus in python is giving me "ImportError: No module named dbus". Any idea where I can Aug 02 11:20:10 find and download the python dbus module? Aug 02 11:22:09 from ipkg Aug 02 11:22:10 I think Aug 02 11:24:25 hmm... how about on windows? Aug 02 11:24:38 The only linux machine I have available is my Pre. Aug 02 11:25:55 Just grab VirtualBox and run Linux in a VM =) Aug 02 11:27:54 there is no dbus on windows Aug 02 11:28:13 well, there can be but I don't belive python bindings exist yet Aug 02 11:28:23 Great... ok. Time to go install a virtual machine again. Aug 02 11:28:33 Well, thats my plan for tomorrow. Aug 02 11:28:37 Thanks for the help. Aug 02 11:28:45 See ya. Sleep now. Aug 02 11:30:40 colinux is good Aug 02 11:30:41 fast Aug 02 11:30:48 for console stuff Aug 02 11:31:45 "In its current condition, it allows us to run the KNOPPIX Japanese Edition"- Do I need to speak Japanese? :-) Aug 02 11:33:41 no Aug 02 11:33:41 use the installer Aug 02 11:33:41 tha's very old Aug 02 11:36:29 the installer being coLinux.exe I'm assuming? Aug 02 11:37:08 Looks like I can poll the slider state and detect changes from within an app. Aug 02 11:37:24 Its being done in the Device Info> Interactive Tests Aug 02 11:38:09 Seems like I can subscribe to palm://com.palm.keys/switches to detect it Aug 02 11:39:27 palm://com.palm.hidd looks interesting too Aug 02 11:40:03 I really need to get that dbus introspection code running. Thanks for the coLinux tip. I'll work on that stuff Aug 02 11:40:03 tomorrow. Going to sleep now. Really. Aug 02 11:40:29 oh, physical slider Aug 02 11:40:30 ah Aug 02 11:40:48 Yeah, thats what I meant by keyboard slider, sorry. Aug 02 11:42:22 G'nite. Aug 02 11:52:11 if anyone can try this: people.openezx.org/tmzt/fbflip11.c Aug 02 11:52:22 it needs the event device changed and luna and hidd killed Aug 02 12:38:50 wow anyone here actually gone through the WebOS book since it went to production? Aug 02 12:43:25 (please don't test that code, I will post a 565 version later) Aug 02 12:52:26 tmzt: what is that supposed to do? Aug 02 12:52:39 just change colors on the screen Aug 02 12:52:45 not very useful itself Aug 02 12:53:06 on the pre? Aug 02 12:53:19 on whatever Aug 02 12:53:28 it won't work on pre until I make those change though Aug 02 12:53:40 it also needs some constants and strings changed Aug 02 12:54:06 ok, was wondering how you are drawing to screen w/o handles Aug 02 12:54:42 handles? Aug 02 12:54:56 do you know how those work on webos you are saying? Aug 02 12:56:53 no Aug 02 12:57:21 until now we were doing things in plugins, which give us access to screen Aug 02 12:57:23 what ae you referring to? Aug 02 12:57:33 yes, this is not about plugins Aug 02 12:57:39 this is without luna running Aug 02 12:57:44 more low-level Aug 02 12:58:04 I really want to see how fast it can be Aug 02 12:58:06 that's what i thought Aug 02 12:58:17 but I don't have the right code for 16bit framebuffers yet Aug 02 12:58:20 I have to add it Aug 02 12:58:27 but u would somehow have to kill luna, and grab screen Aug 02 12:58:36 as well as the pan flipping iotcl Aug 02 12:58:39 ioctl Aug 02 12:58:41 what? Aug 02 12:58:49 I use the screen the same way luna does Aug 02 12:58:58 ok, got you Aug 02 12:58:58 through the linux framebuffer memory device Aug 02 14:29:57 whats good Aug 02 14:46:24 Filename Type Size Used Priority Aug 02 14:46:37 hrm Aug 02 14:46:48 /dev/mapper/store-swap partition 131064 0 -1 Aug 02 14:47:02 0 used? Aug 02 14:48:21 on another box i got /dev/sda5 partition 409616 136432 -1 Aug 02 14:49:07 so hrm, Aug 02 14:49:15 im already out of memory on castle Aug 02 14:49:21 odd. Aug 02 14:53:31 wish that roam only patch was updated Aug 02 14:55:12 memory? Aug 02 14:55:13 why? Aug 02 14:55:24 because of quilt? Aug 02 14:55:37 na na Aug 02 14:55:47 java+lynasysmgr is hogging memoryu Aug 02 14:56:01 still, dunno why swapon -s is displaying 0 usage Aug 02 14:56:27 and the patch on git is defunt Aug 02 14:56:49 infobot hi Aug 02 14:56:50 hello, oc80z Aug 02 14:57:35 infobot webos is the greatest open platform on earth Aug 02 14:57:36 ...but webos is already something else... Aug 02 14:57:47 no, webos is the greatest open platform on earth! Aug 02 14:58:14 palm pre is has a palm pre Aug 02 14:58:19 heh Aug 02 14:58:35 i guess ill look on forums heh Aug 02 15:00:05 yikes. Aug 02 15:02:32 please don't redefine meanings Aug 02 15:02:42 it's there to help people help answer questions Aug 02 15:02:45 ~webos Aug 02 15:02:46 from memory, webos is the linux-based operating system of the Pre and later handsets by Palm, Inc. Aug 02 15:03:03 Heh Aug 02 15:04:51 swap space is pissy Aug 02 15:11:03 yea i have questions in #webos :D Aug 02 15:11:13 someone please look if you are familiar with lists :) Aug 02 15:29:20 my girlfriend stabbed me Aug 02 15:29:41 in the arm with a carving fork Aug 02 15:29:58 You sure have a nice gf ;> Aug 02 15:30:04 yeah, thats what i thought Aug 02 16:21:59 who is working on Terminal here? Well done! Aug 02 16:22:53 mrvc and Zuchmir2 i think are the main developers Aug 02 16:23:34 thanks! Aug 02 16:24:50 mrvc, Zuchmir2: With Terminal the circle is complete. We have a true linux box. Aug 02 16:25:28 mrvc, is the 80col font just the 40 decimated down or is it a true font? Aug 02 16:26:10 i still havent tried terminal.. tho i prolly will today... i rooted yesterday Aug 02 16:26:20 i ask because i would love to add a ~ 60 col font, seems it might be a sweet spot for readability and usability. Aug 02 16:26:42 dreadchicken: it is a separate font Aug 02 16:27:24 hey, stupid Q... upgrading a homebrew app, should i delete the old version, or will it upgrade the existing app like a computer? Aug 02 16:27:31 nm, i just found the font.xpm's Aug 02 16:28:59 so has everyone gone to ipkg -o /var over ipkg-opt? Aug 02 16:29:12 they're two different systems' Aug 02 16:29:49 ipkg-opt is used for system software, whereas ipkg is how palm installs packages .. which is why homebrew uses the same system Aug 02 16:30:15 gotcha, so we are split ipkg's, ipkg-opt for system, ipkg -o /var for apps? Aug 02 16:33:00 dreadchicken: feel free to make the font, we'll try to incorporate it Aug 02 16:33:26 Zuchmir2, how did you create the fonts? you do it by hand or use a tool? Aug 02 16:35:38 thinking of a font in the range [5-6]x[5-8]. Aug 02 16:39:44 5x7 would be 64 cols Aug 02 16:51:27 just tried terminal.. totally awesome software Aug 02 16:54:20 wow Aug 02 16:54:27 terminal is great Aug 02 16:54:49 BitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - Linux 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 Aug 02 16:54:54 kickass Aug 02 17:02:48 no way Aug 02 17:02:57 bitchx on the pre? Aug 02 17:04:38 dreadchicken: i'm not sure who created these font and/or how they did them Aug 02 17:05:01 Zuchmir2, thx...google() it is then. Aug 02 17:05:18 ...or anyone know how to create a font xpm from a pcf or other font format? Aug 02 17:05:46 Terminal kicks much ass, killer app from my perspective. Aug 02 17:05:58 no need for a ssh client when you have the real deal. Aug 02 17:07:43 box: how did u get BitchX on the pre? Aug 02 17:07:50 ive already got terminal :D Aug 02 17:07:53 love it Aug 02 17:08:04 dreadchicken: actually, the smaller font was done by tris Aug 02 17:08:57 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/bitchx_1.1a-final-1_arm.ipk Aug 02 17:09:16 x11 used to have xpm fonts, looking around in there. Aug 02 17:09:32 Zuchmir2: thanxs! Aug 02 17:11:09 hmm installed.. i think Aug 02 17:11:52 command not found Aug 02 17:12:40 tris, you around? Aug 02 17:13:46 have any of you guys blown your pre speaker? Aug 02 17:13:52 zum: im in dev mode.. i installed it.. am i missing something.. its not like my ubuntu box where i can just type "BitchX" and have it run, unless im missing something Aug 02 17:14:03 everything seemed REALLY loud for some reason the other day, and now everything's super quiet Aug 02 17:14:42 yea, it installed Aug 02 17:15:00 ... /opt/bin/BitchX should work, ... but make sure to set PATH to include /opt/bin Aug 02 17:15:42 its not there :/ Aug 02 17:15:45 so confused. Aug 02 17:15:57 IPK install command complete, program should now appear on your Pre. Aug 02 17:16:03 yea, it worked.. allegedly Aug 02 17:16:29 cept i cant find it lol Aug 02 17:19:20 bscabl@castle:/$ /opt/bin/BitchX Aug 02 17:19:20 -sh: /opt/bin/BitchX: not found Aug 02 17:19:27 this is odd lol Aug 02 17:23:20 did u install in /opt ? Aug 02 17:23:55 anyone that can look at this and provide any feedback? http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=892 Aug 02 17:24:08 it was an ipk, so i just dropped it on the icon in devel mode Aug 02 17:24:38 it said it installed it.. tho to where seems to be a mystery Aug 02 17:25:23 BsCaBl: try the following commands Aug 02 17:25:24 cd / Aug 02 17:25:33 yep Aug 02 17:25:38 find -name BitchX . Aug 02 17:26:05 sorry Aug 02 17:26:10 find . -name BitchX Aug 02 17:26:43 its doin its thing... Aug 02 17:26:49 root@castle:/# find . -name BitchX Aug 02 17:26:49 root@castle:/# Aug 02 17:26:52 thats all i got Aug 02 17:27:00 hmm Aug 02 17:27:07 maybe the ipk didnt infact install properly even tho it said it did? Aug 02 17:28:22 just for giggles, i remounted writeable.. dropped the ipk on the installer again.. same result Aug 02 17:29:00 im gonna install something else via ipk just to make sure its not that Aug 02 17:29:56 bry this BsCaBl Aug 02 17:30:03 find . -iname BitchX Aug 02 17:30:06 that ignores case Aug 02 17:30:33 tip cal installed properly.. so ipk installer is working Aug 02 17:30:51 root@castle:/# find . -iname BitchX Aug 02 17:30:51 root@castle:/# Aug 02 17:30:54 nepe Aug 02 17:30:58 this, is truly odd Aug 02 17:33:16 yea it's not installing then Aug 02 17:33:22 i wonder why Aug 02 17:35:01 redownload, reinstalled.. same blody result. Aug 02 17:35:25 but i know im in dev mode.. tip cal installed. Aug 02 17:36:56 hmm Aug 02 17:37:46 wonder if can do it the old fasioned way.. grab the arm proc tarball and compile it :P Aug 02 17:38:02 nope.. no make Aug 02 17:39:00 ohh precompiled binaries. Aug 02 17:41:37 ftoping it over, lets see if this works :D Aug 02 17:43:14 oh cmon now! Aug 02 17:43:15 bscabl@castle:~$ tar -zxvf bitchx-1.1nb3.tgz Aug 02 17:43:15 tar: corrupted octal value in tar header Aug 02 17:45:55 uhm fresh download, still corrupt Aug 02 17:46:03 i guess i wasnt meant to have bitchx :P Aug 02 18:13:39 i *hate* palm's indonesian tech support Aug 02 18:18:36 has anyone used the beezlewaxin or GakAsterman drivers for the Pre ? Aug 02 18:23:24 drivers ? Aug 02 18:23:28 yes Aug 02 18:24:03 diagnostic mode drivers for Windows XP Aug 02 18:24:30 diagnostic or dev mode ? Aug 02 18:25:11 not sure I understand the distinction. I want to log the device messaging Aug 02 18:25:21 over usb ? Aug 02 18:25:24 yes Aug 02 18:25:42 i wrote up a bunch of stuff on novacom dumps Aug 02 18:25:51 is it possible to have apps that could tap into the linux side of things in the phone, so like apps can use the LEDs on the phone? Aug 02 18:26:24 bpadalino: i need to be able to log it using QXDM Aug 02 18:26:31 QXDM ? Aug 02 18:26:52 a program that captures messaging from devices over USB Aug 02 18:27:03 oh, novacom definitely isn't that Aug 02 18:27:07 right Aug 02 18:27:13 can anyone please give me the location of libpirahna? Aug 02 18:27:18 you want to place that inbetween the OMAP and the Modem Aug 02 18:27:22 which is also connected over usb Aug 02 18:27:37 i wasn't sure whether this is the right room for such a question. please let me know if there's a better forum Aug 02 18:28:05 *shrug* i am not sure really Aug 02 18:28:51 :( Aug 02 18:28:56 noone knows? Aug 02 18:29:12 Hyperian, i don't think they expose the interface to webos .. Aug 02 18:29:20 but you can write a service for that interface and run it Aug 02 18:32:11 ....no one knows where libpirahna is? O_O Aug 02 18:32:32 clebio: Some versions of libpcap under Linux include support for capturing on USB Aug 02 18:33:09 You could use something like a VMware product or VirtualBox to connect to the device, and use Wireshark or TCPdump on the host to dump the USB traffic Aug 02 18:33:35 aYellowBanana, it should be in /usr/lib/libPiranha.so i think Aug 02 18:33:47 yes, I could. But QXDM is a much more elegant solution, when available Aug 02 18:33:52 bpadalino, thank you, I will check that out Aug 02 18:34:20 clebio, the qualcomm part is not exposed to the USB interface on the pre .. Aug 02 18:34:37 bpadalino: how hard is that to do? Aug 02 18:34:52 hyperian, there are example services in the git repo Aug 02 18:35:38 well, i've heard there was a program prior to the launch of the app store that enabled that access, but it's since been removed Aug 02 18:36:09 clebio, i am still not sure exactly what you want to see or what your end goal is Aug 02 18:36:39 i want to see and capture the OTA messaging from the device Aug 02 18:37:33 yeah - i'd look at how you can sniff the usb interface between the OMAP and the modem .. Aug 02 18:38:14 that QXDM would be nice if you could actually run it on a linux arm7 machine Aug 02 18:39:24 so, regardless of the objective, no one has used the beezlewaxin or GakAsterman drivers ? Aug 02 18:39:51 apparently not - have a link ? Aug 02 18:40:35 oh it looks like that exposes the interface over usb Aug 02 18:40:38 the first is here: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/188038-palm-pre-usb-tethering-dun.html Aug 02 18:41:16 basically, if i go into novaterm and run "mpt diag userial", the device switches modes. Then Windows XP starts looking for drivers for the new mode Aug 02 18:41:25 bpadalino: where's the git repo? Aug 02 18:41:30 check "mpt --help" before running that command, btw Aug 02 18:41:59 Hyperian: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/ Aug 02 18:42:07 clebio, ah - neat .. mpt .. haven't played with that one yet Aug 02 18:44:21 movie time Aug 02 18:45:51 eh... Aug 02 18:45:56