**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 07 02:59:57 2009 Aug 07 03:00:00 egaudet: found the problem - my packaging error Aug 07 03:00:57 so... who creates the .control and .list files Aug 07 03:02:06 the /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ directory gets modified by palm-install too? Aug 07 03:02:25 ipkg does all that Aug 07 03:03:17 oh yea ok so that's where all the info for the 3rd party apps are all stored Aug 07 03:03:24 yep Aug 07 03:04:06 and the preware stuff adds .postinst to create the symlinks which require rw access Aug 07 03:04:34 yep Aug 07 03:04:57 eventually, the WebOS Quick Install program, and the ipkg service, will run those postinsts automatically Aug 07 03:05:41 so does that mean installing from the app catalog makes the pre rw to copy the app over Aug 07 03:11:54 egaudet: /var is always rw Aug 07 03:12:04 app catalog stuff doesn't need anything outside of /va Aug 07 03:12:05 r Aug 07 03:12:20 egaudet: eta 1 min for updated feed Aug 07 03:13:27 egaudet: try now Aug 07 03:14:08 egaudet: sorry about the packaging error - it was a stupid cut and paste typo on my part. Aug 07 03:15:19 meh it happens, going to try update now Aug 07 03:15:59 I just rebuilt the existing versions, rather than bumping the version again Aug 07 03:18:35 alright sweet, all good Aug 07 03:19:11 Now back to making Labyrinth Aug 07 03:20:57 I'll go announce another on the group Aug 07 03:22:13 egaudet: ok, so you should be set to update and release new versions to preware now, right? Aug 07 03:22:25 What serviceRequest() would one use to run a .sh script? Aug 07 03:22:42 all i do is change the version number in the Makefile? Aug 07 03:22:49 ultraBlack: there is none that I know of. Aug 07 03:22:52 egaudet: yep Aug 07 03:23:02 rwhitby: What happened to webosinternals.shell Aug 07 03:23:12 egaudet: (and corresponding changes to wiki, announce, etc) Aug 07 03:23:14 Is it integrated into webosinternals.services? Aug 07 03:23:18 yup Aug 07 03:23:27 ultraBlack: removed due to huge security hole - it's still in git if you need it Aug 07 03:23:39 just not on HEAD Aug 07 03:23:55 rwhitby: Well I can understand the security hole. How would I write my own service? I'm making an app that will mount a virtual file system to /opt Aug 07 03:24:29 ultraBlack: take a look at accelservice (which egaudet wrote) for an example. you have to make the service specific to not open up a security hole Aug 07 03:24:46 or the new ipkgservice Aug 07 03:24:47 howdy folks Aug 07 03:24:55 Ok thanks, I will look at accelservice / ipkgservice. Aug 07 03:24:56 whats the org.webosinternals.ledservice Aug 07 03:26:24 rwhitby: Oh wow! That looks easy! So services are just 3 line files?! I thought I was in over my head with this Aug 07 03:26:25 yea I was thinking of writing a sysfs modification service, but it would require a lot of care to ensure no paths reach outside of /sys, but I'm not sure how much damage can be done opening up the entire sysfs tree Aug 07 03:26:55 Looking at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/blobs/master/org.webosinternals.accelservice/org.webosinternals.accelservice.service Aug 07 03:27:07 That's written to not have a security hole? Aug 07 03:27:11 ultraBlack, yea it's just 3 lines to get it on the dbus... but you need a java program with public methods for an application to use Aug 07 03:27:21 egaudet: oh Aug 07 03:27:41 k Aug 07 03:27:46 so a .jar Aug 07 03:28:06 look at the AccelService.java Aug 07 03:28:36 ultraBlack: if you just write the java file and the dbus file, the preware autobuilder can do the rest. Aug 07 03:28:39 and then you compile that to .jar and distribute it i presume Aug 07 03:28:51 what's the dbus file? Aug 07 03:28:59 the three line file you saw Aug 07 03:29:02 oh Aug 07 03:29:07 .service file Aug 07 03:29:09 yep Aug 07 03:29:44 just follow the same structure as the three existing services, and we can build and distribute it alongside them Aug 07 03:36:37 * Templarian thinks egaudet likes the annoucement system. :P Aug 07 03:37:50 Well it's not like I doubled the number of messages or anything... :) Aug 07 03:39:21 lol, really useful project hopefully palm changes this themselves later. Aug 07 03:40:33 I'm sure they will, and their driver indicates they have plans to add interrupt-driven mode as an option Aug 07 03:44:24 egaudet: btw, you don't need to check in the .jar file if you don't want, cause the autobuilder will rebuild it. Aug 07 03:44:51 rwhitby: So wait a minute...how would you RUN a .sh? How would you get around not being able to run them? How would Java talk to webOS? arrrgh Aug 07 03:45:08 What if I need to get commands from a .sh into my app! Aug 07 03:45:19 so stuck Aug 07 03:46:44 You can make a system call from java to execute a shell script I believe? Aug 07 03:46:55 egaudet: we do just that in the ipkgservice Aug 07 03:47:04 ipkgservice? Aug 07 03:47:04 and it returns output to the app Aug 07 03:47:29 How do you use ipkgservice? What is it? etc. Aug 07 03:47:36 Never heard of it Aug 07 03:47:40 cool, yep... see ultraBlack the service is your link, it's your key to linking ANYTHING into the webOS applicaiton layer Aug 07 03:48:01 I got that Aug 07 03:48:05 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/trees/master/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Aug 07 03:48:07 But once I write the service Aug 07 03:48:16 Well wait Aug 07 03:48:16 no Aug 07 03:48:19 it's under development right now Aug 07 03:48:52 How do I write the Java code to ask ipkgservice to run a .sh then Aug 07 03:49:06 there is a serviceRequest() API in the webOS javascript, which will use dbus to call a public method within a service. Aug 07 03:49:20 egaudet: I figured. actually i know Aug 07 03:49:25 I know that already Aug 07 03:49:39 When I found out about webosinternals.shell, and Raja Kapur's service Aug 07 03:49:59 I basically want what he has in his My Tether .install script, which means I need my own service Aug 07 03:50:02 btw you won't ask ipkservice to run the .sh Aug 07 03:50:09 What will I ask it? Aug 07 03:50:40 To do the commands? Aug 07 03:50:57 you will use Java executeCMD() Aug 07 03:51:15 from top to bottom it will look like this... Aug 07 03:51:37 webOS layer calls serviceRequest(palm://yourservice/yourmethod {params})... Aug 07 03:52:02 yourmethod is a public method in your java file that will call executeCMD("sh script.sh") Aug 07 03:52:11 gotcha Aug 07 03:52:37 now what was rwhitby saying about ipkgservice :p Aug 07 03:52:40 and the service file registers it with dbus so that serviceRequest() sees it Aug 07 03:52:57 as an example, he uses executeCMD() in it Aug 07 03:53:08 OH Aug 07 03:53:10 ok Aug 07 03:53:15 :) Aug 07 03:53:20 and it also is the package service system that will allow users to build/install your service Aug 07 03:53:30 well the user won't build it Aug 07 03:53:38 yeah? Aug 07 03:53:51 they will install my service through ipkgservice? Aug 07 03:54:04 couldn't i install it for them with a script? Aug 07 03:54:19 yes if you would like, to make it easier than listing out the various steps of where to copy what file and where to link it etc.. Aug 07 03:54:26 yeah Aug 07 03:54:29 that's what i was thinking Aug 07 03:54:44 the ipkservice will handle that for you Aug 07 03:55:04 and like any package manger it will be able to upgrade the service for the user Aug 07 03:55:05 but the idea rwhitby has (rwhitby wrote ipkgservice) is to eventually have a webOS app that talks to ipkgservice that installs ANOTHER service, the service I want? Aug 07 03:55:11 am i right? Aug 07 03:55:18 so users don't have to keep up with 100 different scripts/apps/services all over the place Aug 07 03:55:23 ultraBlack: actually, PuffTheMagic is writing ipkgservice Aug 07 03:55:31 rwhitby: oh ok Aug 07 03:55:42 I'm helping, and packaging it. Aug 07 03:55:46 but that is the point, though, behind it? Aug 07 03:56:04 to be used as a form of ipkg-opt upgrade for services Aug 07 03:56:13 sorta Aug 07 03:56:26 well, for any webos app, service, or plugin. Aug 07 03:56:30 oh nice Aug 07 03:56:33 kk Aug 07 03:56:39 I'm surprised no one has grabbed his LED service and started making the LEDs dance Aug 07 03:56:44 lol Aug 07 03:57:07 the custom stuff is done in the postinst script, and the ipkg service displays the script and gets the user's consent before running it. Aug 07 03:57:38 cool. what's postinst? Aug 07 03:57:42 rwhitby, are you eventually going to have the remount done by the script? with or without user verification? Aug 07 03:57:49 post install script in ipkg Aug 07 03:58:05 egaudet: the ipkg service will do the remount before running the script. Aug 07 03:58:33 so if the user says "no" to the postinst, then all that has happened is files have been installed under /var Aug 07 03:58:50 ah. yeah, k Aug 07 03:59:05 there's a prerm script to do the reverse too Aug 07 03:59:10 and of course anything submitted to ipkg must be oss Aug 07 03:59:12 neat Aug 07 03:59:27 egaudet: depends on the feed, but anything in preware.org must be oss Aug 07 03:59:49 if someone goes and adds ipkg.russian.porn.com as a feed, they will get what they ask for .... Aug 07 03:59:55 lol Aug 07 04:00:20 I'm just thinking of malicious coders having any access to the remounted drive Aug 07 04:00:29 one expects that the apps will come preconfigured for preware, precentral, pimpmypre, etc - validated "good" sites. Aug 07 04:00:42 but ipkg will be handling all the code that runs with it open right Aug 07 04:00:45 egaudet: yeah, we've been considering that carefully when designing this service Aug 07 04:01:18 the postinst is a shell script which is directly in the ipkg Aug 07 04:01:49 so the script can do *anything* as root, so we need to get user consent. Aug 07 04:02:21 then you expect the cautious user checks the doco for the app, which says that a request to run a script which does "foo" is expected. Aug 07 04:02:39 (assuming the doco is from a trusted site) Aug 07 04:03:18 heh cautious user Aug 07 04:03:24 that'll be the day Aug 07 04:04:11 yeah, it's the best we can think of. Aug 07 04:04:33 since our services and plugins really do need to do stuff as root on install. Aug 07 04:04:49 the ipkgservice creates the postinst though right Aug 07 04:05:00 no, the postinst comes from the installed ipkg directly Aug 07 04:05:16 who puts it in the ipkg, not the app/service developer right? Aug 07 04:05:22 yes Aug 07 04:05:30 well, the person who creates the ipkg Aug 07 04:05:47 (or in the preware.org case, the Makefile that does that) Aug 07 04:05:50 oh i see, on preware you create it, but that doesn't have to be the case Aug 07 04:05:56 right Aug 07 04:06:32 someone could actually put an arm7 binary in an ipkg as the postinst file. we'll need to guard against that. Aug 07 04:06:36 so it's up to the feed manager or whatever to thorougly read over postinst scripts Aug 07 04:06:58 yea definitely no binaries Aug 07 04:06:59 or the users who are consenting to them running Aug 07 04:07:14 (who report funny stuff back to the feed managers) Aug 07 04:07:33 it's the normal "many eyes" defence against trojans in open source Aug 07 04:07:49 well i definitely think the preware way is the best, taking the postinst out of the dev's hand Aug 07 04:08:27 yep yep Aug 07 04:13:35 better to have the postinst in the clear in a preware git repo, than on some developers local machine and packaged up as a submitted binary ipkg file to some app catalog site Aug 07 04:13:56 (that's my rationale for the preware git repo and autobuilder) Aug 07 04:14:38 absolutely Aug 07 04:19:21 interesting, the lastest version of fileCoaster has obsfucated source code ... Aug 07 04:20:25 really Aug 07 04:21:13 yyyyyo Aug 07 04:21:13 how is it obfuscated Aug 07 04:21:56 hmm, let me check the license to see if I can post anything from it. Aug 07 04:22:07 guys anyone know where memos are stored? Aug 07 04:22:08 or you can just describe it to me Aug 07 04:22:19 is it possible to edit them in a console? Aug 07 04:22:19 gordian: I was wondering the same thing a while back Aug 07 04:22:31 ultraBlack: did you ever find out? Aug 07 04:22:33 nope Aug 07 04:22:47 ultraBlack: lots of \xNN chars Aug 07 04:22:51 i actually did the DTA a few times and i have ~4x my memos Aug 07 04:23:21 pain in the butt to delete them manually Aug 07 04:23:34 it's the author's intent not for the code to be open, so we should not post any de-obsfucated versions of it anywhere. Aug 07 04:23:38 rwhitby that's microsoft's code obfuscator Aug 07 04:23:48 there's a decoder on line for that. Aug 07 04:24:11 i have no idea what a \xnn character is Aug 07 04:24:52 Rick__: looks like just turning ASCII into \xNN equivalents Aug 07 04:25:31 oh really. Aug 07 04:25:37 the really DUMB one thing at Aug 07 04:25:39 http://www.javascriptobfuscator.com/Default.aspx Aug 07 04:25:57 does that. Aug 07 04:26:00 oh Aug 07 04:26:05 that's what Aug 07 04:28:46 opinion requested from windowsers: msysgit or cygwin? Aug 07 04:29:18 I used msysgit for about a day, then switched to a mac laptop :- Aug 07 04:29:37 xming? Aug 07 04:29:55 msysgit installs a minimal bash shell and a minimal cygwin environment Aug 07 04:30:03 therefore, functionally, there's no difference. Aug 07 04:30:11 The gui is useless. use the bash shell Aug 07 04:32:22 If I want to have msysgit and cygwin installed on the same machine should I put msysgit's git in my PATH? Aug 07 04:32:25 Is the memo data stored into the PalmDatabase.db3? Aug 07 04:33:03 Like, would I want to fall back to Cygwin since its is better? Aug 07 04:33:12 I've never used either Cygwin's git nor msysgit f.y.i Aug 07 04:34:07 oh nevermind i'll just modify the path later by myself if i like, or reinstall or something Aug 07 04:38:51 What chip runs the Pree Aug 07 04:39:38 Texas Instruments, google for it. Aug 07 04:39:39 Possumnz: look on wikipedia Aug 07 04:39:42 its some omap Aug 07 04:39:48 thx Aug 07 04:40:46 Templarian: do you own a pre? Aug 07 04:41:18 Of course, waiting in line for it the first day like most. Aug 07 04:41:47 how do i join the gitorious project Aug 07 04:41:54 i was just curious cause you said you got into the early access program Aug 07 04:41:57 Palm pre = OMAP 3430 Aug 07 04:42:09 (ARM Cortex A8 core) Aug 07 04:42:11 i sorta waited till i knew for sure i would get one till i requested it Aug 07 04:42:27 destinal: just spoon feed it why dont you ;) Aug 07 04:42:46 well I knew it offhand :P Aug 07 04:42:59 but they can't do much with a model name without some research so it's ok Aug 07 04:43:00 It's not a tegra but it'll do. Aug 07 04:43:15 or, the team Aug 07 04:43:43 ultraBlack: i think you can ask to join I took myself off admin or I would do it. Aug 07 04:43:51 s/admin/staff/ Aug 07 04:43:52 Templarian meant: ultraBlack: i think you can ask to join I took myself off staff or I would do it. Aug 07 04:43:52 ultraBlack: step one is to pull down some repositories and come up with something you want to commit and let us know Aug 07 04:45:07 ultraBlack: what kind of stuff are you wanting to work on? Aug 07 04:45:31 destinal: i'm working on a vfs app right now.. Aug 07 04:45:32 ultraBlack: just create a git repo on any one of the free hosting sites and commit Aug 07 04:45:38 and then request us to merge in stuff Aug 07 04:45:52 and at some point you will get acess to just push to ourmain repos Aug 07 04:46:05 i was mainly wondering if gitorious let you download files smaller than a master.tar.gz Aug 07 04:46:12 so i joined... Aug 07 04:46:25 what do u mean Aug 07 04:46:29 that didnt make much sense Aug 07 04:46:38 well i don't like having to download the master.tar.gz.... Aug 07 04:46:42 its too big a file Aug 07 04:46:43 ultraBlack: oh gitorious, yeah, it's just a host for our git repositories Aug 07 04:46:50 yes gitorious Aug 07 04:47:25 ultraBlack: most of us just clone an entire repository (but we need to do a better job of breaking some of them up into smaller ones -- some have many projects in them) Aug 07 04:47:48 ultraBlack: have you used git before? Aug 07 04:48:11 not yet Aug 07 04:48:15 working on setting it up Aug 07 04:48:23 ultraBlack: clone the repo Aug 07 04:48:24 http://spheredev.org/wiki/Git_for_the_lazy Aug 07 04:48:27 dont download master.tar.gz Aug 07 04:48:38 the best thing is to clone once which takes a while and then just occasionally do "git pull" to keep current Aug 07 04:48:52 takes a while on isdn Aug 07 04:48:52 k Aug 07 04:48:54 or 56k Aug 07 04:48:59 though the repositories aren't that big in terms of modern broadband connections Aug 07 04:49:16 destinal: you should see how long it takes to clone my git repo for my kernel patchset Aug 07 04:49:17 i have 200kbps Aug 07 04:49:18 ;) Aug 07 04:49:53 ultraBlack: yeah you only need to clone it once... if u ever think u messed it up message me Aug 07 04:49:58 there is never a reason to re-clone Aug 07 04:53:04 good night Aug 07 04:59:40 ultraBlack: on the new server (git.webos-internals.org) gitweb will allow you to download smaller tarballs. Aug 07 05:02:19 rwhitby: that was quick Aug 07 05:02:41 ok everyone use the new server! :p there's nothing there.... Aug 07 05:02:52 ultraBlack: we haven't changed over yet Aug 07 05:03:00 i can tell Aug 07 05:03:07 still working out how to get CIA notifications working properly before we move Aug 07 05:03:30 central intelligence agency is looking out for us? Aug 07 05:04:04 hello CIA-29. Aug 07 05:04:10 *poke* Aug 07 05:04:30 http://cia.vc/ Aug 07 05:05:18 http://cia.vc/stats/project/webos-internals Aug 07 05:05:49 bookmarked Aug 07 05:06:28 as well as http://git.webos-internals.org/ Aug 07 05:07:15 I need to gather ssh keys from all the existing gitorious commiters to add to the new git site. Aug 07 05:08:34 i don't have one :( Aug 07 05:09:05 So can anyone write me that vfs service? pwetty pwease Aug 07 05:09:19 ultraBlack: what is vfs in this context? Aug 07 05:09:25 virtual file system Aug 07 05:09:38 opt on loopback Aug 07 05:09:41 Isn't a filesystem pretty much virtual anyway? Aug 07 05:09:44 oh, loop fs Aug 07 05:10:07 whats good Aug 07 05:10:15 oc80z: ipkgservice Aug 07 05:11:21 ultraBlack: I probably won't, I'm hunting hidd plugins, but for curiosity's sake, what would you want a loop fs managing service to do? (and why couldn't you just add a loop fs to your fstab and be done?) Aug 07 05:11:46 destinal: This is what I've got so far for my app. Let me explain. http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/192673-sorry-not-enough-memory-3.html#post1809715 Aug 07 05:11:54 You can read that post but you probably won't understand everything. Aug 07 05:12:19 Okay, here goes. Turns out we ran out of space in /opt, and ours Pre's wouldn't let us install more applications. Aug 07 05:12:22 ultraBlack: but.. but.. why not just make it permanent? Aug 07 05:12:30 ultraBlack: yep, that service would be pretty straight forward to write Aug 07 05:12:31 why would you ever want to unmount it once set up? Aug 07 05:12:32 So 1lnxraider devised a vfs Aug 07 05:12:37 destinal: usb mode Aug 07 05:12:44 destinal: I'm getting to the permanence Aug 07 05:12:52 Hold on Aug 07 05:12:53 oh, it's /media/internal? Aug 07 05:12:55 YES Aug 07 05:12:56 yeah ok Aug 07 05:13:02 I don't know why we did that Aug 07 05:13:05 I should just move it Aug 07 05:13:08 duh Aug 07 05:13:23 cause /media/internal is the biggest partition Aug 07 05:13:27 But anyway I needed to unmount it to be able to mount /media/internal as a USB drive or for Media Sync. Yes. Aug 07 05:13:34 rwhitby: ah i see Aug 07 05:13:43 ultraBlack: yeah, ok. so your service would be really easy actually Aug 07 05:13:46 SO ANYWAY. Now we need that service. Aug 07 05:13:49 For my app. Aug 07 05:14:10 ultraBlack: know any java? Aug 07 05:14:23 actually Aug 07 05:14:24 I spent like 10 hours on making those buttons and that header and that HTML and JS in that app today. Man the SDK is confusing as hell when you don't know any JS to start with. Aug 07 05:14:27 ultraBlack: just resize your partitions Aug 07 05:14:33 I know about a year's course worth of java, yes Aug 07 05:14:44 PuffTheMagic: That's what I'd have done if I knew anything about any of this Aug 07 05:14:49 PuffTheMagic: lol Aug 07 05:14:51 does anyone know if palm provides a service to stop and start things via initctl? Aug 07 05:14:58 ultraBlack: could meld ipkgservice into what you need Aug 07 05:15:07 because an initctl script would be the easiest thing Aug 07 05:15:18 err upstart event script Aug 07 05:15:18 rwhitby: You want to do it for me? :) Is ipkgservice ready enough for that? Aug 07 05:15:28 ultraBlack: if you dont have anything on media internal... then shrink it by 1gig Aug 07 05:15:33 ultraBlack: use the techniques from ipkgservice Aug 07 05:15:42 PuffTheMagic: Well I did want to put about 6 gigs of music on it Aug 07 05:15:47 then create a 1 gig optware/preware partition ;) Aug 07 05:15:55 rwhitby: well i will when i get around to looking at it, having yet Aug 07 05:16:01 rwhitby: busy setting up git Aug 07 05:16:19 ultraBlack: i have hundreds of gigs of music in archives and i get about 20 gig a month from usenet Aug 07 05:16:22 PuffTheMagic: could do that too I guess, but I don't know how Aug 07 05:16:26 ultraBlack: yeah I agree with Puff Aug 07 05:16:28 ultraBlack: no worries, I'll be around later and can help you with an optloopservice Aug 07 05:16:29 PuffTheMagic: from a linux command line Aug 07 05:16:33 i dont like keeping that much on my ipod or pre Aug 07 05:16:38 you could make it permanent via resizing Aug 07 05:16:38 cause it takes to long to search though Aug 07 05:16:44 i just copy over a few things Aug 07 05:16:50 PuffTheMagic: nonsense it's hella fast music search Aug 07 05:16:54 destinal: until Palm want to OTA resize, and then you're stuffed. Aug 07 05:16:56 like a split second Aug 07 05:17:18 OTA resize was something 1lnxraider took into account Aug 07 05:17:19 rwhitby: you may want programs to run from /opt and yanking it due to usb mode is bad Aug 07 05:17:23 ultraBlack: it takes forever to search though a list of 1000 albums to find the one u want Aug 07 05:17:30 PuffTheMagic: keyboard Aug 07 05:17:36 PuffTheMagic: hardware keyboard on the Pre ;) Aug 07 05:17:38 on a pre mabye its faster... but on a ipod hell no Aug 07 05:17:41 ultraBlack: palm told us they wanted to be able to OTA resize Aug 07 05:17:54 destinal: yep, I agree an initctl solution is best Aug 07 05:17:56 rwhitby: i am not worried about that Aug 07 05:18:19 PuffTheMagic: my ipod classic has search..not hardware keyboard, or even virtual...but search Aug 07 05:18:23 yeah there should be a service to control upstart scripts and then you could just add an upstart script for this if you want it Aug 07 05:18:24 rwhitby: they cant resize the media partition Aug 07 05:18:28 PuffTheMagic: yes, but you're a linux guru. Aug 07 05:18:30 cause that would trash peoples files Aug 07 05:18:33 PuffTheMagic: I have about 50GB full out of 120 on that thing Aug 07 05:18:48 yeah I can't imagine OTA resizing being practical Aug 07 05:18:52 rwhitby: they could resize the other partitions no prob Aug 07 05:18:57 but not media Aug 07 05:19:03 so if u do that your selse Aug 07 05:19:04 destinal: I talked to cdm about it. it's in their plans. Aug 07 05:19:04 for that slice Aug 07 05:19:05 self Aug 07 05:19:06 that should be ok Aug 07 05:19:22 rwhitby: destroying people's music = bad Aug 07 05:19:27 they have resizers in house for all partition types Aug 07 05:19:28 rwhitby: so I click on update and i loose my pics and music Aug 07 05:19:29 bad idea Aug 07 05:19:36 destinal: who said anything about destroying? Aug 07 05:19:54 rwhitby: you can resize lvm with out destroying the data Aug 07 05:19:58 unless u back it up Aug 07 05:20:04 and palm is not gonna autobackup Aug 07 05:20:10 thats too much data Aug 07 05:20:33 ANYWAY, guys. the point is we have a wiki page on this. if you want to submit corrections / better ways to achieve the same result, you can Aug 07 05:20:41 rwhitby: they probably told you it was in the plans to prevent you from doing anything Aug 07 05:20:48 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_opt_on_loopback Aug 07 05:20:56 Because we've been working on this for weeks. Aug 07 05:20:59 ultraBlack: that method sucks Aug 07 05:21:01 i write that Aug 07 05:21:02 PuffTheMagic: there is resizing technology available for all types of filesystems Aug 07 05:21:14 rwhitby: they are not safe for the most part Aug 07 05:21:28 i wouldnt trust them Aug 07 05:21:30 PuffTheMagic: the Pre is a constrained environment. easy to make it safe. Aug 07 05:21:38 the main thing is they can't make a full filesystem smaller Aug 07 05:21:49 rwhitby: no what i mean is... i've never used a safe resize tool Aug 07 05:21:53 so OTA resize of media is just ugly Aug 07 05:21:54 they all havbe their issues Aug 07 05:22:06 PuffTheMagic: you've probably never paid lots of money for one Aug 07 05:22:31 rwhitby: you only pay money to resize a windows partition Aug 07 05:22:36 linux fs's do it for free Aug 07 05:22:37 the bits have to reside somewhere Aug 07 05:22:41 destinal: Palm pops up a message "Please delete some media to allow the update to proceed" Aug 07 05:22:47 hmm Aug 07 05:22:57 PuffTheMagic: I don't pay money to resize my 2 terabytes, ever. Aug 07 05:22:59 PuffTheMagic: that's my point. it may not be a free resizer. Aug 07 05:23:13 PuffTheMagic: Unless you take into account the cost of Windows Vista Ultimate x64 when it first came out. Aug 07 05:23:16 doesn't mean it doesn't exist Aug 07 05:23:24 rwhitby: i would hope to god palm does not resize my media dir Aug 07 05:23:27 they have no right to do that shit Aug 07 05:23:46 to put my data at risk Aug 07 05:23:54 with out my consent Aug 07 05:23:57 PuffTheMagic: they have every right to do what they want with an OTA update - you agreed to that when you clicked on the EULA when you got your phone Aug 07 05:24:08 you can resize windows partitions for free - diskpart Aug 07 05:24:10 even they part about them loosing your data Aug 07 05:24:19 s/they/the/ Aug 07 05:24:19 even comes with windows Aug 07 05:24:19 rwhitby meant: even the part about them loosing your data Aug 07 05:24:22 rwhitby: that would be bad practice if they did it Aug 07 05:24:28 it just cant be used on an active partition Aug 07 05:24:36 Robi_: I know. I don't know what people are talking about Aug 07 05:24:39 as soon as it got out that people were loosing their data Aug 07 05:24:45 all hell would break loose Aug 07 05:24:50 thats not what palm needs Aug 07 05:24:51 PuffTheMagic: the 99.99% of other Pre users that aren't Linux gurus will never know or care Aug 07 05:24:52 Actually it can, Robi_ Aug 07 05:24:55 In Vista Aug 07 05:25:05 PuffTheMagic: why do you assume data would be lost? Aug 07 05:25:21 ultraBlack: who uses vista? >;] Aug 07 05:25:45 Robi_: I dunno I don't really. it's kinda just there. i like to stare at it Aug 07 05:25:51 ultraBlack: anyway, an optloopservice is very doable. Aug 07 05:25:53 sad Aug 07 05:25:54 Doesn't bother me anymore Aug 07 05:26:04 rwhitby: u write 4 mi? :3 Aug 07 05:26:07 rwhitby: im not assuming it WILL be, but there is a high likelyhood that it will be Aug 07 05:26:28 anyone can help with FAILED_NOT_ENOUGH_INSTALL_SPACE error? Aug 07 05:26:39 synthmole: webos dr... Aug 07 05:26:40 * Robi_ turns on the ultraViolet Aug 07 05:26:52 synthmole: That is WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT Aug 07 05:26:58 synthmole: go to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_opt_on_loopback Aug 07 05:27:01 PuffTheMagic: why do you think there is a high likelihood? I've used lots of resizers for all types of FS's (including vfat) and never lost anything Aug 07 05:27:03 or listen to puffthemagic Aug 07 05:27:05 choose yoru path Aug 07 05:27:07 ultraBlack: dont use loopback Aug 07 05:27:08 your* Aug 07 05:27:13 it will mess shit up Aug 07 05:27:27 PuffTheMagic: an example? Aug 07 05:27:36 that's popostrous Aug 07 05:27:37 seriously want to end this debate Aug 07 05:27:53 if loopback sucked, it would have been remvoed already Aug 07 05:28:09 i saw that page. don't want to do this as i won't be able to mount it as usb Aug 07 05:28:10 ultraBlack: if you mount a loopback on media it will prevent mounting as mass storage Aug 07 05:28:12 ultraBlack: nah, we love having these debates with PuffTheMagic Aug 07 05:28:17 lol Aug 07 05:28:18 so is webos-dr my only recourse? Aug 07 05:28:19 PuffTheMagic: lol Aug 07 05:28:24 PuffTheMagic: hence the app that ultraBlack is writing .... Aug 07 05:28:30 is it the optware installs? Aug 07 05:28:51 rwhitby: The app is written, pretty much. I mean, the buttons are THERE. I just need the service to handle the serviceRequest. lol Aug 07 05:28:54 synthmole: either that or too much email Aug 07 05:28:56 synthmole: probably Aug 07 05:29:12 synthmole: We've been working on this for weeks because we knew it would happen to other ppl Aug 07 05:29:20 rwhitby: im sure vfat can be resized... but if you habe a nearly full partition that is fragmented you are at risk of loosing data... esp if the system freezes or something Aug 07 05:29:25 i dont trust resizes Aug 07 05:29:32 And other ppl probably Don't want to fiddle with resizing linux partiitons on their mobile phone. Aug 07 05:29:35 and if palm uses opensource tools Aug 07 05:29:52 then it will definately erase/trash the data Aug 07 05:29:53 PuffTheMagic: they are not constrained to using opensource tools Aug 07 05:29:57 they probably just want to run an app that will fix it by creating a virtual file system from a Luna GUI Aug 07 05:30:04 rwhitby: i said IF Aug 07 05:30:06 damn. what is it with mobile devices and extremely limited ram and partitions? Aug 07 05:30:27 synthmole: Well, for one, Palm wasn't planning on the SDK even being leaked Aug 07 05:30:37 what does that matter Aug 07 05:30:41 synthmole: Or optware packages on every one of their phones Aug 07 05:30:52 heh Aug 07 05:30:53 that dont matter either Aug 07 05:31:07 if the sdk weren't out, nobody would be getting that error Aug 07 05:31:17 because the error only happens to people with tons of optware sh!te Aug 07 05:31:19 like me Aug 07 05:31:19 ultraBlack: they are using opensource tech and they are using hardware that has mostly open docs Aug 07 05:31:21 and all you Aug 07 05:31:24 i can run ubuntu on my pre Aug 07 05:31:30 ultraBlack: at this point, PuffTheMagic and I will argue our cases till we are blue in the face, and never convince each other to budge :-) Aug 07 05:31:30 i dont need palm Aug 07 05:31:56 palm made the hardware? or did texas instruments Aug 07 05:31:57 rwhitby: i just dont trust resize, i've seen them work, i've seen them fail Aug 07 05:32:07 puffthemagic: there's always an alternative, man Aug 07 05:32:10 rwhitby: i really hope palm dont force resize anything Aug 07 05:32:19 PuffTheMagic: fair enough. Palm might be able to do better. Aug 07 05:32:30 ultraBlack: palm packaged lots of hw together Aug 07 05:32:33 they didnt make anything Aug 07 05:32:37 puffthemagic: like dell Aug 07 05:32:47 or asus Aug 07 05:32:49 christ Aug 07 05:32:52 put an end to it Aug 07 05:33:00 wtf u talking about Aug 07 05:33:08 idk Aug 07 05:33:11 :-) ultraBlack, don't let him get to you :-) Aug 07 05:33:12 i think im mixed into 3 convos here Aug 07 05:33:28 * rwhitby gets out the popcorn at this point .... Aug 07 05:33:30 we all are lol, why were chatrooms invented...nobody can even keep up Aug 07 05:33:42 popcorn sounds good brb Aug 07 05:33:44 * ultraBlack afk Aug 07 05:34:16 ultraBlack: i wrote the loopback wiki, that was before i learned of its pitfals Aug 07 05:34:20 i wouldnt go that route Aug 07 05:34:25 just resize media Aug 07 05:34:32 someone just asked me if we should change the webos-internals logo to be the cartoony type tux which is all over the rest of the site. opinions? Aug 07 05:34:33 if u need more space Aug 07 05:34:38 puttthemagic: what else would it do besides /media/internal... :o Aug 07 05:34:43 rwhitby: i dont like that one Aug 07 05:34:49 i like the oldschool tux logo Aug 07 05:34:51 keep it Aug 07 05:34:53 rwhitby: I made that tux. hell yes Aug 07 05:34:58 made him from scratch couple years ago Aug 07 05:35:02 from a tutorial Aug 07 05:35:03 lol Aug 07 05:35:12 XD Aug 07 05:35:24 ultraBlack: you photoshoped a pre in the hand of the tux logo? Aug 07 05:35:27 no Aug 07 05:35:28 from a tutorial? Aug 07 05:35:34 i made the tux base Aug 07 05:35:37 ultraBlack: that logo has been used forever Aug 07 05:35:45 ultraBlack: the cartoony one? Aug 07 05:35:48 but i did it in PHOTOSHOPZ Aug 07 05:35:55 ultraBlack: the crystal one Aug 07 05:36:03 why did i just refer to myself Aug 07 05:36:06 rwhitby: the crystal one Aug 07 05:36:20 the non-cartoony tux has been the logo of choice of every oss project i've ever belonged to Aug 07 05:36:27 ipodlinux had the same logo as us Aug 07 05:36:33 just with an ipod in its hand Aug 07 05:36:35 instead of a pre Aug 07 05:36:41 I'll reply to the guy "cause PuffTheMagic won't let me change it" Aug 07 05:36:50 rwhitby: well put Aug 07 05:36:59 rwhitby: the the cartoony one is lame Aug 07 05:37:10 while my crystal tux continues to invade and conquer the rest of the site Aug 07 05:37:21 ultraBlack: yes its like a virus Aug 07 05:37:26 ultraBlack: yours does scale down better ... Aug 07 05:37:29 ultraBlack: its nice for icons size things Aug 07 05:37:31 I didn't tell anyone to! Aug 07 05:37:34 to mod it! Aug 07 05:37:35 they just did Aug 07 05:37:43 i don't know where this scientux came from Aug 07 05:37:51 agreed. Aug 07 05:37:55 ultraBlack: Templarian likes it i think Aug 07 05:37:57 I think Templarian took it and ran with it. Aug 07 05:38:00 i think he is propigating it Aug 07 05:38:07 lol Aug 07 05:38:16 rwhitby: we do think alike Aug 07 05:38:33 i honestly do like the "non-cartoony" one that is the current logo. but i think crystal is less cartoony than the one you guys call "non-cartoony" Aug 07 05:38:50 * Templarian got bored at work and made the lab coat one. Aug 07 05:38:57 lulz Aug 07 05:39:22 i mean its not REALISTIC Aug 07 05:39:34 penguins don't look like that... but then, is tux a real penguin? Aug 07 05:39:42 or something more :O Aug 07 05:39:43 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Template:Linux If you want to add them to pages. Aug 07 05:39:49 I sent him a pointer to this live IRC log as the answer. Aug 07 05:39:51 Tux is just suppose to be cute. Aug 07 05:39:53 templarian: yeah that was mine :) Aug 07 05:40:37 ultraBlack: i just like the origional one cause its like... official... and the small one looks like it belongs to Fisher Price not Linux Aug 07 05:40:59 puffthemagic: i understand. Aug 07 05:41:16 but what ever Aug 07 05:41:23 im not gonna loose sleep over it ;) Aug 07 05:41:59 ultraBlack: I actually like the small ones they are fun to fill the site with. Plus that add humor to a large technical wiki. Aug 07 05:42:15 templarian: scientux is hilarious. that's what i call him now Aug 07 05:42:33 ultraBlack: the small tux looks like its retarded or something Aug 07 05:42:37 I vectored over him din't turn out to bad. Aug 07 05:42:38 its cross eyed Aug 07 05:42:44 is it on acid? Aug 07 05:42:48 :D Aug 07 05:42:50 PuffTheMagic: that's what makes him cute. Aug 07 05:43:03 should put that life preserver on a tux, and give him the developement tools hammer Aug 07 05:43:05 cause he was hit in the head with a frying pan? Aug 07 05:43:25 put a ups uniform on him for announcements link Aug 07 05:43:40 ultraBlack: with a little clipboard. Aug 07 05:43:45 ya Aug 07 05:44:00 using the same pinguin for all the icons make thing ambiguous Aug 07 05:44:12 i dont care if the main logo is the cartoon one Aug 07 05:44:19 We will work on it later. ultraBlack did you post the svg/ai of that icon anywhere? Aug 07 05:44:19 but the menu links though be clear Aug 07 05:44:28 there was no svg :( Aug 07 05:44:37 this is my original post of the guy: http://www.crystalxp.net/forum/en/Graphic-Tutorials/Photoshop-Tutorials/sujet_2585_4.htm#t303 yes, i'm konimotsinfjaojsw*whatever Aug 07 05:45:12 It's not a vector? Aug 07 05:45:15 nope Aug 07 05:45:16 png Aug 07 05:45:21 i have the psd i think Aug 07 05:45:40 yeah, want it? Aug 07 05:45:45 Nah. Aug 07 05:45:48 alrite Aug 07 05:45:58 Editing over the png gets pretty good results. Aug 07 05:46:03 :p Aug 07 05:46:15 i'm not real big into vector art. takes too long with current tools Aug 07 05:46:20 Sorry for this UBER n00b js question but in the js files, does the indentation matter? Aug 07 05:46:20 inkscape / illustrator kinda suck Aug 07 05:47:03 templarian: do you at least want something bigger than 64x64 or w/e? Aug 07 05:47:29 Nope. I do a lot of pixel art for silk icons so I'm use to it. Aug 07 05:47:35 inkscape is decent Aug 07 05:47:49 Well can I edit the template:linux on the wiki? can you give me permissions or anything Aug 07 05:47:56 tikz ftw! Aug 07 05:48:03 ultraBlack: it's not locked... Aug 07 05:48:12 templarian: oh, i wasn't logged in Aug 07 05:48:14 ultraBlack: convert it to latex/tikz Aug 07 05:48:15 :D Aug 07 05:49:20 ultraBlack: Feel free to make them better if you want just click on the orginals on the list and upload over them (keep the sizes though, never go taller than 48px. Aug 07 05:49:45 Templarian: Yeah, I wouldn't Aug 07 05:50:03 templarian: Do you think you could change their names from Linux to just Tux? Aug 07 05:50:45 ultraBlack: I was going to, but they are used throughout the site, be my guest if you can rename all linking pages. Aug 07 05:50:58 templarian: I probably could Aug 07 05:51:07 i don't think i can edit the main page tho Aug 07 05:51:11 I was going to the other day but am really busy with the addon. Aug 07 05:51:12 heh PuffTheMagic like my Tux cause it's the one that people use by convention :-) Aug 07 05:51:14 nope Aug 07 05:51:19 ultraBlack: you can. Aug 07 05:51:29 Just add ?action=edit Aug 07 05:51:41 ah Aug 07 05:51:43 thanks Aug 07 05:51:56 (we just removed the edit button to keep back noob edits, due to the high traffic on that page) Aug 07 05:52:04 yup gotcha Aug 07 05:52:38 I don't suppose there is a way to delete the old Linux.png's, though? Aug 07 05:52:50 You can move them Aug 07 05:52:53 i believe. Aug 07 05:53:12 Or better recreate them and make a template called "Tux" Aug 07 05:54:05 No I'll just move the Template. But as far as the images on the actual server Aug 07 05:54:10 I don't think I can delete those Aug 07 05:54:14 An admin would have to do that Aug 07 05:55:32 I can do that later. Let me know tomorrow and I'll fix it up, just make sure you get everything redirected and such (probably see it on the "what links here" page. Aug 07 05:55:44 yeah i will. Aug 07 05:56:07 * Templarian zzZzzZz work in 5 hours... Aug 07 05:58:05 ultraBlack: got your git sorted out? I'll create the optloopservice skeleton Aug 07 05:58:22 I think so. I just finished updating Cygwin. I'll have to learn how to use it now Aug 07 05:58:36 ultraBlack: if you have a loop on /media then you cant mount your pre as a mass storage Aug 07 05:58:52 unless your app is gonna intercept that message and unmount it before hand somehow Aug 07 05:58:54 PuffTheMagic: what do you think about us removing the org.webosinternals. from all the directories in the applications git repo? Aug 07 05:58:56 PuffTheMagic, rwhitby: So you think we should do that? Aug 07 05:59:06 rwhitby: keep them Aug 07 05:59:08 PuffTheMagic, rwhitby: Put the loop on /media instead of /media/internal/vfs Aug 07 05:59:26 ultraBlack: whats the difference? Aug 07 05:59:32 Actually it's /media/internal/vfs/optware.img Aug 07 05:59:33 ultraBlack: The 6GB mount point is /media/internal isn't it? Aug 07 05:59:48 ultraBlack: if the loop is on the vfat partition there will be issues Aug 07 05:59:52 It's mounting /media/internal/vfs/optware.img as /opt, to be clear. Aug 07 06:00:11 PuffTheMagic: English! :p Aug 07 06:00:18 that is english Aug 07 06:00:21 haha Aug 07 06:00:27 i know, but. what are you suggesting Aug 07 06:00:37 won't that change things up a bit Aug 07 06:00:43 mount /media as what? Aug 07 06:00:45 if the loopback image is on the vfat partition... and u plug in your pre via usb, and click on mass storage Aug 07 06:00:46 it wont work Aug 07 06:00:48 /opt? Aug 07 06:00:57 it dont matter where you mount it Aug 07 06:01:06 as long as the file is in use and it located on the vfat Aug 07 06:01:08 PuffTheMagic: that's what the ToggleVFS app is for Aug 07 06:01:10 there will be issues Aug 07 06:01:15 daemons will die Aug 07 06:01:16 isn't mounting /media as /opt kinda nonsensical Aug 07 06:01:21 won't someone think of the daemons! Aug 07 06:01:38 ultraBlack: i guess im lost at what you are doing Aug 07 06:01:39 Toggle VFS kills all daemons Aug 07 06:01:48 It kills openssh, dropbear.. Aug 07 06:01:48 well, actually, daemons will stop the unmount unless the initctl stops them and then restarts them Aug 07 06:01:53 anything else you want to add to its kill list Aug 07 06:01:54 what does a daemon have to do with this? Aug 07 06:02:02 RIGHT. What rwhitby said Aug 07 06:02:05 poor helpess daemons with no one to protect them, summarily massacred for the sake of mass storage Aug 07 06:02:10 That's why we have to kill the daemons Aug 07 06:02:12 PuffTheMagic: if they're running from /opt Aug 07 06:02:16 and resurrect them when we're done Aug 07 06:02:18 ;) Aug 07 06:02:18 they'll get their fs yanked Aug 07 06:02:28 they'll stop the fs getting yanked Aug 07 06:02:45 destinal, what rwhitby said Aug 07 06:02:46 err, yeah. ^ what he said Aug 07 06:02:48 im not even conserned about daemons Aug 07 06:03:09 i know. kill 'em all, right? Aug 07 06:03:10 if the file which is mount -o bind resides on /media/internal failure will occur Aug 07 06:03:13 PuffTheMagic: heartless jerk Aug 07 06:03:22 destinal: you were the one that showed me that Aug 07 06:03:25 or pointed it out Aug 07 06:03:40 destinal: the daemons aren't cute enough - we need ultraBlack to draw them Aug 07 06:03:41 yeah, I forgot Aug 07 06:03:51 or I'm just too tired atm Aug 07 06:04:04 :D Aug 07 06:04:10 ok i needa setup cygwin Aug 07 06:04:14 make it more cute Aug 07 06:04:15 ultraBlack: have you actually setup a loop on /media/internal yet? Aug 07 06:04:19 make it work Aug 07 06:04:28 puffthemagic: i've had it there for a week Aug 07 06:04:36 works great except no media sync or usb Aug 07 06:04:39 PuffTheMagic: did you read the PreCentral thread that ultraBlack pasted? Aug 07 06:04:41 i transfer with ssh Aug 07 06:04:43 anyway Aug 07 06:04:49 rwhitby: no i dont go on precentral Aug 07 06:04:54 i dont go on webpages Aug 07 06:04:58 i juse use irc :D Aug 07 06:04:59 ok, the context is in there. Aug 07 06:05:01 :P Aug 07 06:05:03 ultraBlack: oddly I think scp over usbnet is _faster_ than mass storage mode.. what have you noticed? Aug 07 06:05:20 scp ftw! Aug 07 06:05:21 destinal: not sure. i hardly ever use mass storage Aug 07 06:05:26 especially since it doesn't work now Aug 07 06:05:28 i have no use for mass storage mode Aug 07 06:05:40 ultraBlack: it only dont work cause you broke it ;) Aug 07 06:05:47 but anyway, my vista drivers are still screwy so usbnet isn't working yet Aug 07 06:05:51 it works with my winxp though Aug 07 06:05:57 resize your media and you can have your cake and eat it too Aug 07 06:06:08 dont worry about rwhitby and his ota resize threats Aug 07 06:06:10 :D Aug 07 06:06:10 puffthemagic: well i broke it cause optware broke my official app store Aug 07 06:06:37 just if you hear about the next update ota resizing you, dd your fs across somewhere Aug 07 06:06:43 it's not a huge deal IMO Aug 07 06:06:44 destinal: which, incidentally, is the only one i care about because it's my netbook which i use for tethering Aug 07 06:07:03 destinal: you, who says our instructions are already too complex, now talk about 'dd' ? Aug 07 06:07:10 rwhitby: touche Aug 07 06:07:11 dd takes forever Aug 07 06:07:17 you've got me there Aug 07 06:07:17 so slow Aug 07 06:07:29 rwhitby: people who cant use linux shouldnt hack the pre in the frist place Aug 07 06:07:34 they should wit for guis Aug 07 06:07:57 i really dont get why people who wouldnt even run linux on their desktop thing they are ok diving into linux to hack on the pre Aug 07 06:07:59 everyone started somewhere. my start just happened to be with a $200 phone with $150/month contract Aug 07 06:08:01 its scary Aug 07 06:08:07 so i am actually paying for linux Aug 07 06:08:12 PuffTheMagic: yeah, let's make sure the non-pure remain downtrodden and ignorant of the true religion Aug 07 06:08:14 hahaha Aug 07 06:08:27 i have ubuntu on this pc but ... it's boring Aug 07 06:08:31 where are the GAMES Aug 07 06:08:36 lol Aug 07 06:08:39 ubuntu is boring Aug 07 06:08:44 its productive though Aug 07 06:08:57 you dont need to run virus scan like windows Aug 07 06:08:58 I think, ease them into the power tools.. let them use some of the ones they won't chop off fingers with first and then move on.. but then again, with webos doctor you can get new fingers Aug 07 06:08:59 it dont slow donw Aug 07 06:09:00 so just removed emacs (30mb). sigh Aug 07 06:09:03 anyone who hasn't hand-toggled in the bytes to boot their kernel doesn't deserve to run Linux .... Aug 07 06:09:20 well if you consider having to download through apt-get some program to setup my nvidia productive Aug 07 06:09:42 yeah i've webos doctored once and was very happy with it Aug 07 06:09:47 i understand that all installed apps will eventually fill that partition? Aug 07 06:09:51 rwhitby: im all for people running linux... i just think its ironic, that peoiple will do anything to hack their phone, but they cant install ubuntu Aug 07 06:09:58 synthmole: no!!!! don't remove Emacs!!!! Aug 07 06:10:07 30mb...:( Aug 07 06:10:13 emacs sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aug 07 06:10:17 puffthemagic: my first working linux distro was suse Aug 07 06:10:19 * PuffTheMagic hides Aug 07 06:10:22 how will you run towers of hanoi on the Pre now? Aug 07 06:10:26 puffthemagic: nothing else would run on my gateway Aug 07 06:10:29 puffthemagic: bite me Aug 07 06:10:32 rwhitby: am I the only one annoyed that palm might want to repartition my pre on the fly for me? Aug 07 06:10:40 rwhitby: I don't let microsoft or ubuntu do that Aug 07 06:10:56 destinal: no i am annoyed by that too Aug 07 06:10:59 but im not afraid of it Aug 07 06:11:07 im not gonna store any origionals on the pre Aug 07 06:11:27 rwhitby: how do i git something? Aug 07 06:11:29 lol Aug 07 06:11:34 it's a computer, I wish they'd use the computer paradigm Aug 07 06:11:37 git clone Aug 07 06:11:43 that's right Aug 07 06:11:47 gotta remember that Aug 07 06:12:09 destinal: i really doubt they would ever resize the media partition Aug 07 06:12:34 me too Aug 07 06:12:35 i doubt it too Aug 07 06:12:43 why oh why could we not have had sd cards? Aug 07 06:12:48 I KNOW Aug 07 06:13:02 :','( Aug 07 06:13:10 * ultraBlack cries Aug 07 06:13:13 i will never use 80% of the hd Aug 07 06:13:15 anyway Aug 07 06:13:48 i could install everththing in optware and still have 80% free i bet ;) Aug 07 06:14:12 yeah I say resize, under keep it simple rules, and bah humbug to palm possible future OTA resizes :P Aug 07 06:14:22 ++ Aug 07 06:14:32 f'palm and their ota resize threats Aug 07 06:14:58 PuffTheMagic: I wouldn't go quite that far, I like palm, but it's my device Aug 07 06:14:59 f'palm and their lack of lunaservices.h and cjson/json.h Aug 07 06:15:28 um, when i do git update-server-info http://git.webos-internals.org/modifications.git like it says I get fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git Aug 07 06:15:39 ultraBlack: never!!!!!!!! Aug 07 06:15:47 you never ever ever have to run that Aug 07 06:15:48 ever Aug 07 06:15:55 why not Aug 07 06:15:59 you just never do Aug 07 06:16:03 if a new release ever resizes and breaks something we can make a tool available to fix people up pre update Aug 07 06:16:05 i've been using git for years Aug 07 06:16:05 will it kill your daemons Aug 07 06:16:09 and i never found a reason to run it Aug 07 06:16:13 ok Aug 07 06:16:22 then why does it tell me to Aug 07 06:16:29 ultraBlack: idk Aug 07 06:16:30 and don't say its cygwins fault Aug 07 06:16:40 no its your fault Aug 07 06:16:44 ;) Aug 07 06:16:48 thanks you Aug 07 06:16:56 ultraBlack: you said u have ubuntu installed Aug 07 06:17:03 >:( Aug 07 06:17:04 why are u using windows and cygwin? Aug 07 06:17:14 this is my main partition Aug 07 06:17:18 ubuntu only has 50gb Aug 07 06:17:22 and i can't resize it Aug 07 06:17:23 :O Aug 07 06:17:25 nah j/k idk Aug 07 06:17:28 so? Aug 07 06:17:35 ubuntu > windows Aug 07 06:17:38 idk, all my stuff is on windoze? Aug 07 06:17:41 and git works fine in linux Aug 07 06:17:48 ultraBlack: then mount it in linux Aug 07 06:17:52 so u can access it Aug 07 06:17:57 linux can read ntfs fine Aug 07 06:17:58 :( Aug 07 06:18:00 but they're all .exe's Aug 07 06:18:02 and write Aug 07 06:18:08 and wine is confusing Aug 07 06:18:09 why do u need an exe in linux? Aug 07 06:18:19 so i can play crysis Aug 07 06:18:23 make maps with sandbox Aug 07 06:18:25 gtfo Aug 07 06:18:30 and be happy with my evga gpu Aug 07 06:18:35 what crysis with pre? Aug 07 06:18:50 damn windows users ;) Aug 07 06:19:01 sorry Aug 07 06:19:15 get a ps3 for games ;) Aug 07 06:19:21 $ git clone http://git.webos-internals.org/modifications.git Aug 07 06:19:21 Initialized empty Git repository in /home/Owner/modifications/.git/ Aug 07 06:19:21 fatal: http://git.webos-internals.org/modifications.git/info/refs not found: did Aug 07 06:19:21 you run git update-server-info on the server? Aug 07 06:19:23 and run linux on your pc Aug 07 06:19:39 that is the wrong url Aug 07 06:19:43 i guess that's why i bought an eeepc with windows xp Aug 07 06:19:47 oh oops Aug 07 06:19:54 ultraBlack: on gitorious there is a line that says clone url Aug 07 06:19:56 use that url Aug 07 06:20:04 not the url in the browser url bar Aug 07 06:20:04 ultraBlack: ubuntu netbook remix for the win Aug 07 06:20:54 ultraBlack: git:// not http:// Aug 07 06:21:08 we'll be able to support http:// on the new server Aug 07 06:24:24 I'm back! :d Aug 07 06:24:28 modem dropped out Aug 07 06:24:35 tired.. good night all, happy hacking Aug 07 06:25:37 ultraBlack2: so two functions - mount and unmount ? Aug 07 06:26:52 * PuffTheMagic refills his sambuca Aug 07 06:32:53 ultraBlack2: skeleton pushed Aug 07 06:33:10 My favorite use for the Pre. Aug 07 06:33:28 rwhitby: nice and quick there did you with that Aug 07 06:33:42 House cable still down. I'm tethering w/ my Pre right now -_- Aug 07 06:34:14 so the main comp, which is up and running but otherwise connectionless and without working Pre drivers, is useless Aug 07 06:37:05 I'm going to try to get those drivers set up again. wish me luck, if it doens't work i'll be back on this Aug 07 06:38:17 ultraMobile: all I did was some quick search and replace on PuffTheMagic's ipkgservice java Aug 07 06:49:16 Hey everyone, I'm trying to setup rsync but whenever I run the rsync command on the host computer I get ERROR: unknown module 'root' Aug 07 06:49:19 any ideas? Aug 07 06:55:35 rwhitby: what about search and replace? Aug 07 06:55:40 scasplte2: what command are you running? Aug 07 06:55:41 and my service? Aug 07 06:55:50 Well I know one thing: my Pre's wifi works. Aug 07 06:55:52 PuffTheMagic: I just stole all the exec command stuff Aug 07 06:56:09 It's plugged into my main and connected through wifi to my netbook... Aug 07 06:56:10 * rwhitby just snooped the fileCoaster protocol, and found http://www.precentral.net/precentral-homebrew-filecoaster.xml Aug 07 06:56:12 hooray... Aug 07 06:56:47 now i get to buy a usb kit to leave my pre plugged into my main all the time for development purposes anyway. that's what i'll do tomorrow. best buy, here i come. :| Aug 07 06:56:49 fileCoaster may be obfuscated source, but that doesn't stop legitimate protocol reverse engineering ... Aug 07 06:57:39 ooo after a reboot it seems to be working on me vista Aug 07 06:57:49 sweet! Aug 07 06:57:58 okay i have internet now guys Aug 07 06:58:33 cool, fileCoaster demand loads app icons. nice job PreGame Aug 07 06:58:34 now i'm gonna need to install google chrome os or windows 7 on my netbook so i can be on 2 wifi networks at once and get my Synergy back between PCs Aug 07 07:00:57 rwhitby I'm using the rsync -HrlptgoDPvvS --force --delete --del --stats rsync://root@$IPADDRESS/root/ /media/pre-backup/ Aug 07 07:01:25 scasplte2: use root@$IPADDRESS:/root instead Aug 07 07:01:52 (so it uses ssh for the transfer, instead of assuming the target host as the rsync daemon running) Aug 07 07:02:08 oh, and use -n flag first Aug 07 07:02:10 i got it working, thanks for the idea Aug 07 07:02:27 It was a problem with the rsync.conf file Aug 07 07:02:38 what does -n do? Aug 07 07:02:49 dry run Aug 07 07:03:18 especially when using --delete ;-) Aug 07 07:03:36 usbnet is too hard to set up :( Aug 07 07:05:09 it was a bit finicky for me with vista Aug 07 07:05:17 but its been working tonight Aug 07 07:06:46 Okay so the Pre apparently gets very confused and slow when running as both a WiFi hotspot and a USB tethered connection Aug 07 07:07:14 ultraBlack: routing table issues? Aug 07 07:07:25 Actually it's pretty slow right now as it is. Aug 07 07:07:55 rwhitby: It's usually faster than my home connection Aug 07 07:07:55 I think it's just the service in my area Aug 07 07:08:11 EV-DO is slow, cable is on and off all month Aug 07 07:08:25 It's not even stormy. I dunno what's going on Aug 07 07:08:37 Must be all those torrents... but, I haven't downloaded anything with my Pre lately Aug 07 07:08:37 Or, ever. Aug 07 07:09:12 But it's taking days to load http://www.google.com/ Aug 07 07:10:02 porn? Aug 07 07:10:24 I guess I can un-tether and see if it's any faster on the device Aug 07 07:10:24 brb Aug 07 07:11:18 so i was following the directions for rsync from the wiki and now I'm reading the rsync man page, why would you want --delete? Aug 07 07:11:30 for future backups? Aug 07 07:11:56 i dunno :( Aug 07 07:16:09 crap Aug 07 07:31:47 how fun it is to use the neighbor's wifi Aug 07 07:34:50 rwhitby: How'd the skeleton turn out? Aug 07 07:35:58 ultraMobile: packaged and in the feed. dunno if it works or not. Aug 07 07:36:20 rwhitby: I'll have to check it out tomorrow. My modem shows no signs of fixing itself Aug 07 07:36:28 Sucks too, 'cause it's brand new Aug 07 07:36:31 it might run "/bin/mount /opt" and "/bin/umount /opt" if you're lucky Aug 07 07:37:39 Well, can it kill dropbear and openssh? Aug 07 07:37:48 not yet Aug 07 07:37:51 :( Aug 07 07:37:57 I left that bit for you ... ;-) Aug 07 07:38:13 I'll see what I can do for myself tomorrow morning if my internet's back Aug 07 07:38:21 Night, cya. Aug 07 08:06:29 what's the beef with the music app that comes with the pre. it's beautiful Aug 07 08:59:02 Is this where I can ask for help about patches from the webos-internals.org page??? Aug 07 09:01:02 I'm having problems with the "Show actual battery percentage" patch.... Aug 07 09:01:46 umm this is my first time in a IRC chat Aug 07 09:02:50 is any1 really here?? Aug 07 09:05:32 hello? any1? Aug 07 09:06:51 well this was a lot of help........... Aug 07 09:57:01 Heh Aug 07 09:57:02 whats good? Aug 07 10:11:07 optloopservice Aug 07 10:34:44 lolz at Niris777 Aug 07 12:53:00 hmm Aug 07 13:51:03 guys how do i get the initctl binary back on my pre? I have to power down currently and would like to be able to just start/stop the LunaSysMgr Aug 07 14:01:46 how do you keep removing these binaries ? Aug 07 14:05:03 bpadalino, i had to webos dr my phone the other night Aug 07 14:06:00 initctl should be on a fresh doctored phone Aug 07 14:06:05 shouldn't it ? Aug 07 14:07:38 not sure but it is not on mine Aug 07 14:07:45 or the path is not set properly if so Aug 07 14:08:31 ha yea Aug 07 14:08:34 it is in /sbin Aug 07 14:15:39 jcrawford: sudo -i Aug 07 14:15:48 yep Aug 07 14:15:51 ok so question Aug 07 14:16:05 i have this Mojo.Log.error("params %j", params); in my handleLaunch of the phone app. however it is saying that params is "" Aug 07 14:16:10 when I log, why would it say that? Aug 07 14:16:28 I am trying to see what key/value pairs are sent to the handleLaunch method of the app-assistant.js file Aug 07 14:17:13 2009-08-07T14:14:52.267912Z [54313] castle user.err LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS} com.palm.app.phone: Error: params "", file:///usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/index.html:0 Aug 07 14:24:26 anyone know how to see what the params are? Aug 07 14:27:29 If any arguments are passed at all, there will be just a single params object, but the property specification for that argument is application specific. Aug 07 14:30:32 nevermind :D Aug 07 15:50:55 Hey all! Aug 07 16:15:30 not sure if any of you guys would be interested in this: http://www.skulpt.org/ Aug 07 16:17:22 heh, thats nifty Aug 07 16:31:48 does the pre have sed? Aug 07 16:32:05 yes Aug 07 16:32:06 and awk Aug 07 16:37:08 is there a insert-only mode editor or option for vim? Aug 07 16:37:21 hi all, what would be the best way to have web requests from the emulator sent through proxy Aug 07 16:38:12 press i Aug 07 16:40:02 yea i know, im just trying to think of the easiest way to explain to people who only know windows style insert-only editors and don't know linux or vim Aug 07 16:41:43 ework: ipkg list | grep -i editor Aug 07 16:42:07 ipkg-opt Aug 07 17:02:25 ework, vitutor :) Aug 07 17:02:38 sorry vimtutor Aug 07 17:11:29 bzhou * r10538 optware/trunk/make/getmail.mk - getmail: 4.9.1 -> 4.10.0 Aug 07 17:21:05 hey if anyone wants to start working on a decent video recording app (i'm pretty noobish when it comes to development) there is an SVN I put up - link on the wiki page Aug 07 17:25:28 anyone do javascript Aug 07 17:25:33 drawimage seems to be really slow Aug 07 17:25:35 :( Aug 07 17:25:45 wondering if i should be doing something else instead Aug 07 17:28:36 bzhou * r10539 optware/trunk/make/svn.mk - svn: 1.6.3 -> 1.6.4, security upgrade Aug 07 17:43:35 cpcrook, you got all the backend stuff working? Aug 07 17:43:37 for video i mean Aug 07 17:43:47 also how would the app call out to your service/commands? Aug 07 17:49:55 it currently is ghetto and just uses Prelease from the flashlight app to run shell scripts Aug 07 17:50:01 it needs help. Aug 07 17:50:02 haha Aug 07 17:50:14 working on muxing audio currently Aug 07 17:59:09 cpcrook: what kinda app u making Aug 07 17:59:33 atlanta, video recording Aug 07 17:59:37 cpcrook: Try this: gst-launch camsrc ! palmvideoencoder ! avimux name=mux ! filesink location=/media/internal/downloads/foo.mts alsasrc ! alawenc ! mux. Aug 07 17:59:53 I couldn't get wavenc to work Aug 07 17:59:59 alaw worked fine Aug 07 18:00:26 Only left channel on my playback Aug 07 18:00:39 jcrawford: how is that going Aug 07 18:00:40 ? Aug 07 18:00:55 atlanta, i am not sure i am not the one working on it :D Aug 07 18:01:03 hope it is going well though i would love video :] Aug 07 18:01:26 cool i was thinking about making an audio cutter app Aug 07 18:01:36 should be to hard just forgot the linux app that does it Aug 07 18:05:09 s/should/shouldn't Aug 07 18:06:55 anyone know why this code would not close the dialog when cancel is clicked? http://pastebin.com/f3618e0d6 Lines 109-110 Aug 07 18:07:49 where is the dialog created Aug 07 18:07:49 ? Aug 07 18:07:51 what line Aug 07 18:08:23 it's not created in that file, sec will paste the file that it is Aug 07 18:09:15 sorry it is the same file line 175 Aug 07 18:10:13 showing works and swiping to close works but clicking cancel does not do anything Aug 07 18:12:43 wait sorry Aug 07 18:12:51 my bad, sec have to find the right code to ask about :) Aug 07 18:12:52 lol Aug 07 18:12:56 yea Aug 07 18:12:58 that looks about right Aug 07 18:13:37 the dialog is created in that file on line 175 but.. the close stuff is in a diff file, sec pasting Aug 07 18:13:55 http://pastebin.com/f4f43a9d7 Aug 07 18:14:16 lines 65-70 Aug 07 18:15:08 have u checked the view file make sure the id on the button is Aug 07 18:15:08 cancelButton Aug 07 18:15:18 will double check but should be Aug 07 18:15:36 brb Aug 07 18:15:38
Aug 07 18:16:56 try Aug 07 18:17:09 changing this.widget.mojo.close Aug 07 18:17:21 to this.dialog.mojo.close(); Aug 07 18:18:55 odd Aug 07 18:19:07 i just changed it to call a method on the event and I cannot even get it to log Aug 07 18:19:08 odd Aug 07 18:20:19 shove it in a try catch Aug 07 18:22:47 there u go echo the error Aug 07 18:22:57 lets see can we get SoX to work on the pre Aug 07 18:23:03 nothing Aug 07 18:23:09 not with logging or a try/catch Aug 07 18:24:26 try changing the code back Aug 07 18:24:42 updated code: http://pastebin.com/f3894ced0 Aug 07 18:36:36 still not woking :( Aug 07 18:36:41 * jcrawford kicks the WebOS book Aug 07 18:39:01 * blau-mikedg sleepy Aug 07 18:39:07 i got like no work done today :( Aug 07 18:39:41 blau-mikedg, me either :D Aug 07 18:40:00 * jcrawford is going to preDev Camp Boston tomorrow, anyone else here going we should chat while we are all there :D Aug 07 18:40:11 i started playing around with canvas again and it sucks Aug 07 18:41:13 howdy folks Aug 07 18:44:05 so atlanta want to know what the problem is? Aug 07 18:44:07 2009-08-07T18:43:35.668000Z [12054] qemux86 user.err LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS} com.palm.app.news: Error: Widget: undefined, file:///var/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.news/index.html:0 Aug 07 18:44:28 the book says that widget is passed into the setup method, i was confused as to where it was passed in from Aug 07 18:44:33 wierd Aug 07 18:44:38 guess it is not actually passed as a parameter Aug 07 18:47:30 oh wait my bad Aug 07 18:47:31 haha Aug 07 18:47:45 i put the log statement using this.widget before the statement that did this.widget = widget; Aug 07 18:47:47 rofl Aug 07 18:49:39 still seems undefined though :( Aug 07 18:54:56 jcrawford: what time it is? the preDev? Aug 07 18:58:03 enio, i believe 9-4 Aug 07 18:58:07 let me check the email' Aug 07 18:58:15 http://boston.predevcamp.org/ Aug 07 18:58:16 got it Aug 07 18:58:23 nebula, is the organizer Aug 07 18:58:24 oh at the public library Aug 07 18:58:26 not bad Aug 07 18:58:27 yes Aug 07 18:58:36 i have to T it in but will do that :D Aug 07 18:58:41 i be at a dealer at 9am Aug 07 18:58:53 so wont make it Aug 07 18:59:18 John Tomawski Aug 07 18:59:19 ah you can show up late Aug 07 18:59:24 sounds like polish guy Aug 07 18:59:28 heh Aug 07 18:59:46 [; Aug 07 19:00:01 if he is polish watch out for him at a bar he may drink all ur beers Aug 07 19:00:02 :p Aug 07 19:00:32 i wis h i could have attended a dev camp Aug 07 19:00:44 need to watch my parents dog though :( Aug 07 19:00:47 well nebula but i dont program can i still show? :> Aug 07 19:00:54 what is the org.webosinternals.ledservice? Aug 07 19:00:57 blau-mikedg: kill the dog Aug 07 19:03:40 enio: yes Aug 07 19:03:48 i don't program either Aug 07 19:03:59 i'm just organizing it because noone else was going to Aug 07 19:04:03 you non programmers need to find less geeky channels to chill in :D Aug 07 19:04:06 nebula: ok cool if i find some free time i will join Aug 07 19:04:19 until i found out that 2 other people had also signed up to organize... :( Aug 07 19:04:23 blau-mikedg, bring the dog :D Aug 07 19:04:33 jcrawford: if you don't program doesnt mean that u know no shit ;) Aug 07 19:04:36 lol Aug 07 19:04:39 i might be bringing my 6yr old because i have been unable to find a sitter Aug 07 19:04:47 one bored little boy will be playing PSP hehe Aug 07 19:05:14 i will come and check everyones oreo effect Aug 07 19:05:15 hehehehe Aug 07 19:05:19 and leave Aug 07 19:05:20 :p Aug 07 19:05:23 lol Aug 07 19:06:31 oreo effect? Aug 07 19:06:52 lol looks like u dont read stuff Aug 07 19:06:52 :( Aug 07 19:07:05 hah just asked my fiance's sister's boyfriend to watch the kid from 9am - 11am as our friend will take him at 11am. the excuse i got was i am going to a redsox game Aug 07 19:07:14 hmm.. what time is tomorrows game? fuckin 4PM Aug 07 19:07:15 lol Aug 07 19:07:23 that was a nice try should have just said i don't want to :D Aug 07 19:08:13 [; Aug 07 19:08:58 hah Aug 07 19:09:18 anyone going to the Philly PreDev Camp? Aug 07 19:09:40 i just found out my boss is an insensitive asshole Aug 07 19:09:44 yay. Aug 07 19:10:29 i'm looking for a new job Aug 07 19:10:44 i got a scheduled phone interview for monday Aug 07 19:13:01 ok so i will be there around 11am Aug 07 19:13:10 friend is taking the kid @ 10 :) Aug 07 19:13:19 cool Aug 07 19:13:19 then transit time on the T' Aug 07 19:13:34 my alerts have been above normal lately, have fun with that Aug 07 19:13:56 mmm Aug 07 19:14:03 alerts? Aug 07 19:14:08 yeah, t alerts Aug 07 19:14:12 is it bad that im eating breakfast, at the same time most people are eating lunch Aug 07 19:14:18 tell it the lines/rails you take Aug 07 19:14:26 it alerts you on delays, etc. Aug 07 19:14:27 predevcamp tomorrow. wooo! Aug 07 19:14:35 gkatsev: yup yup Aug 07 19:14:48 i get to actually use my asus eee t91 tomorrow Aug 07 19:14:52 howdy folks... which webOS terminal do you recommend? Aug 07 19:15:05 the tandy trs-80 Aug 07 19:15:11 ajaxterm? or destinal's terminal? Aug 07 19:15:11 branded: webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Aug 07 19:15:17 no really, i recommend ^^ Aug 07 19:15:39 gkatsev: thanks... ever use http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ajaxterm#Screenshots Aug 07 19:15:40 ? Aug 07 19:16:01 nope Aug 07 19:16:05 branded: i have used ajaxterm, just not this new one Aug 07 19:16:23 i'm curious which is "better" Aug 07 19:16:32 it's prolly up to the end user Aug 07 19:16:36 for some reason, I occasionally forget thatI can try both Aug 07 19:16:39 oh, nvm... havent used ajaxterm... ive used ajaxPHPterm... Aug 07 19:16:44 and decide which I like more Aug 07 19:16:46 :P Aug 07 19:16:59 in any case, I'll check them both out Aug 07 19:17:09 the terminal app has an escape key Aug 07 19:17:33 and its not "really slow" Aug 07 19:17:48 but yeah, try both and see which one you like better Aug 07 19:17:53 oh yea... look at that Aug 07 19:17:59 that should be a feature Aug 07 19:18:01 not an issue Aug 07 19:18:08 "Now featuring: Really slow" Aug 07 19:18:21 lol Aug 07 19:18:26 its a feature, not a bug Aug 07 19:18:30 exactly Aug 07 19:18:43 actually, windows does have a way (if you enable it) to cause a bluescreen Aug 07 19:19:02 like how synergy syncs all 900 google contacts I have, how lovely Aug 07 19:19:02 i know they needed it for debugging back in the day Aug 07 19:19:15 i'm glad we can't control that, that would be a known issue Aug 07 19:19:17 nebula, we can have beer for lunch right dont have to wait for the social lol Aug 07 19:19:18 branded: haha, nice, thats why im not syncing with facebook Aug 07 19:19:26 i wont be there for the social afterwards :D Aug 07 19:19:32 im still under 21... Aug 07 19:19:39 (well I had 900 contacts, thanks to gmail's auto-add contact thing Aug 07 19:19:53 jcrawford: i'm a drunken' bostonian Aug 07 19:19:56 gkatsev, well then you cannot partake :D Aug 07 19:20:05 ctrl+scroll lock+scroll lock Aug 07 19:20:10 nice nebula Aug 07 19:20:11 jcrawford: not legally, at least Aug 07 19:20:20 yeah, before the pre i went through contacts and scrubbed a lot of them, should do it again Aug 07 19:20:23 anyone here going on the jamn94.5 music booze cruise on the 15th? Aug 07 19:20:24 and merge some contacts Aug 07 19:20:26 i know i am lol Aug 07 19:20:29 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/244139 Aug 07 19:20:49 i love how the pre imports the Google "Suggested" contacts and not just the entries YOU add to your book Aug 07 19:20:51 I've digressed Aug 07 19:20:57 i wonder if there is a way to speedup webos boot Aug 07 19:21:21 I don't like how Pre imports "All Contacts" personally Aug 07 19:21:25 I just want it to be "My Contacts" Aug 07 19:21:33 yea, it's really stupid Aug 07 19:21:35 Or at least a choice, similar to how the iPhone works Aug 07 19:21:37 psykoz: completely agree Aug 07 19:21:43 it'll come Aug 07 19:22:09 I've combed over their database so many times to see if there's even one little thing I could do to fix it but newp ;( Aug 07 19:22:11 i was thinking about trying to proxy the synergy connection, but i'm lazy Aug 07 19:22:13 i hope, and they probably are, working on it Aug 07 19:22:14 branded: am i reading that properly, it allows your to impose a self inflicted bsod? Aug 07 19:22:28 nebula: yes Aug 07 19:22:33 psykoz: really? i was actually about to ask about reviewing the databases... Aug 07 19:22:35 nebula, you are not going to make us wear geeky nametags are ya lol' Aug 07 19:22:36 frickin awesome. Aug 07 19:22:49 psykoz: i used novacom to copy PalmDatabase.db3 off and i can't look at it with sqlite3.exe Aug 07 19:22:52 jcrawford: i'm just bringin a projector and sitting in the corner Aug 07 19:22:55 lol Aug 07 19:22:58 psykoz: how are you looking at the contents Aug 07 19:22:59 jcrawford: we make them ourselves, name and twitter handle, right? Aug 07 19:23:07 branded, sqlite3 through ssh on the phone Aug 07 19:23:08 lol Aug 07 19:23:52 nebula: yes, correct... i was testing something yesterday and wanted to see how it affected the dump file :) Aug 07 19:23:57 it works Aug 07 19:24:08 i could SO use that as a nice altiris package Aug 07 19:24:12 bam. Aug 07 19:24:22 the registry edit? Aug 07 19:24:27 now stop calling me! Aug 07 19:24:35 no, registry edit and remotely invoke a bsod Aug 07 19:24:36 lol Aug 07 19:24:45 it actually operates on the driver level Aug 07 19:24:47 pretty interesting Aug 07 19:25:00 catching the hotkeys Aug 07 19:26:34 psykoz: thanks! I'll check this out... as for PalmDatabase.db3... does it contain the contents of messages and text messages? Aug 07 19:26:55 I can't remember anymore it's been over a month since I've combed over all the db's Aug 07 19:27:09 just do a find /var -name '*.db*' to list out all available db's for you Aug 07 19:27:20 and have fun ;) Aug 07 19:28:40 yea, i did this Aug 07 19:28:42 cool Aug 07 19:28:57 thanks! Aug 07 19:29:18 my dropbear doesn't appear to allow SSH over wifi... is there a way i can verify the configuration? Aug 07 19:29:23 is anyone familiar with dropbear? Aug 07 19:30:15 chceck the file thats starts it and firewall Aug 07 19:30:43 where are the dropbear and openssh config files, i want to change the port from 222 to 22 Aug 07 19:31:19 that's actually in the event.d startup file Aug 07 19:31:23 iirc Aug 07 19:31:56 * branded thinks /etc/event.d/dropbear I tihink Aug 07 19:32:21 optware-dropbear Aug 07 19:36:22 wow, horrible, using novaterm and can't move the cursor down in vi Aug 07 19:36:44 welp... i think the dude who wrote it is supposed to release the source soon Aug 07 19:36:49 type : Aug 07 19:37:01 ahhh thanks :) Aug 07 19:37:04 np Aug 07 19:37:38 how do i page down in top? Aug 07 19:37:53 i'm 5% familar with linux Aug 07 19:38:21 i don't know the answer to that and i've been using linux for years Aug 07 19:38:33 hah... alright cool Aug 07 19:38:45 there are different ways to sort it though Aug 07 19:38:50 M for memory, P for CPU Aug 07 19:39:16 generally if i'm looking for a specific process i use `ps` which is a command-line thing (not a TUI) Aug 07 19:40:08 Is anyone working on the GPS tracking mod? Aug 07 19:41:32 I was going to - I really need the feature - but I am too much a n00b to tackle it... still doing Hello World Aug 07 19:42:31 thanks gxti Aug 07 19:44:01 anyone know the address to the library in boston Aug 07 19:44:12 i'm sure there are several so i would like the actual address where the location will bel ol Aug 07 19:44:26 Abyssul, tracking for what? Aug 07 19:46:01 what library? boston public? Aug 07 19:46:11 nebula, can you give me the address to the library? Aug 07 19:46:23 one sec Aug 07 19:46:25 Tracking the phone's GPS for lost or stolen phones and the ability to access those coordinates via email Aug 07 19:46:44 Boston Public Library Mezzanine Conference Room 700 Boylston St., Boston MA 02116 Aug 07 19:46:49 Or possibly app, but that would be too complicated at this time Aug 07 19:47:25 FreeTim_Boston: you going to pdc bahstuhn? Aug 07 19:47:46 jcrawford: copley station Aug 07 19:47:52 I cannot... I :: wish :: I am quite nearby too, but have previous committment Aug 07 19:47:57 ah Aug 07 19:48:08 I am going to regret it later I just know it Aug 07 19:48:10 it's across the pahk from trinity church Aug 07 19:48:31 its coply station guys cant miss it Aug 07 19:48:32 lol Aug 07 19:48:35 You can't miss the library - it occupies the entire city block Aug 07 19:48:38 yup Aug 07 19:48:44 nice views, too. Aug 07 19:48:52 in more than one way Aug 07 19:49:03 ive actually installed optware vim and put in my vimrc and it works greats over ssh Aug 07 19:51:05 and yes on the page - do and UnDo step 4 - this is what allows DropBear onto EVDO - http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Dropbear_Install Aug 07 19:51:28 I mean, step4 is optional, so un-edit what you did there to allow EvD0 Aug 07 19:52:06 i installed dropbear via http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/optware-bootstrap.sh and only configured it for SSH access via wifi Aug 07 19:52:15 do i need to have the phone in dev mode to access it via SSH? Aug 07 19:53:10 yea but what city block lol Aug 07 19:53:15 watch i will end up at the wrong library :D Aug 07 19:53:21 omg Aug 07 19:53:22 what T stops are nearby is a better question D: Aug 07 19:53:28 jcrawford: copley station Aug 07 19:53:30 green line Aug 07 19:53:31 lol Aug 07 19:53:32 ok cool Aug 07 19:53:42 i will map it later and use my pre to find my way after :D Aug 07 19:53:43 how long u live in boston for? Aug 07 19:53:48 i live in Lynn Aug 07 19:53:53 oh gotcha Aug 07 19:54:00 don't go into boston but for boring days find something to do :)) Aug 07 19:54:27 looks like its a time for me to go home Aug 07 19:54:27 :) Aug 07 19:56:44 funky... everything looks alright in /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear Aug 07 20:01:12 branded: if it doesnt work, try ipkg-opt install --force-reinstall dropbear, it fixed my connection issues Aug 07 20:01:27 okay cool Aug 07 20:01:37 i see the lines for config and iptables Aug 07 20:01:39 so it's weird Aug 07 20:01:46 i could be losing the mind though Aug 07 20:01:53 i'll retry, then try reinstalling Aug 07 20:02:04 lol, ok Aug 07 20:02:04 do you know how novaterm is connecting? Aug 07 20:02:16 it's using tcp over usb? Aug 07 20:02:24 branded: what exactly was the problem? Aug 07 20:02:27 i don't think it's vty Aug 07 20:02:32 wifi ssh Aug 07 20:02:34 no dice Aug 07 20:02:40 oh snap, 222 Aug 07 20:02:42 i'm a ass Aug 07 20:02:42 branded: what does it say? connection refused? Aug 07 20:02:46 lol Aug 07 20:03:13 that's it... and i call myself a network engineer :'( Aug 07 20:03:18 lol Aug 07 20:03:50 is there a way to tell the phone to answer via the CLI? Aug 07 20:04:00 answer what? Aug 07 20:04:03 the phone? Aug 07 20:04:04 the phone Aug 07 20:04:07 yea Aug 07 20:04:12 hm... i wonder Aug 07 20:07:16 I know this is off topic, but does anyone have a demoniod invite? Aug 07 20:07:34 i'm gonna install truecrypt Aug 07 20:07:44 end encrypt the partition Aug 07 20:07:57 no demonoid invite here Aug 07 20:08:40 what can you not find anywhere else? Aug 07 20:08:49 btjunkie? mininova? Napalm FTP indexer? Aug 07 20:09:05 I've just heard good things about private trackers and wanted to experience it Aug 07 20:09:12 the last being a hidden gem of the Internets Aug 07 20:09:21 you want a private track? Aug 07 20:09:23 er Aug 07 20:09:25 use myspleen.net Aug 07 20:09:29 it's awesome Aug 07 20:09:35 peerden Aug 07 20:09:40 there isn't anything special about demonoid Aug 07 20:09:57 just keep an eye on rlslog.net for 0-day or close to it stuff Aug 07 20:10:06 and you don't need to worry about ratio, etc Aug 07 20:10:13 Thepiratebay has been down for a while too lol Aug 07 20:10:40 it's up here... where are you? australia? china? Aug 07 20:10:43 resnet? Aug 07 20:10:47 us Aug 07 20:10:51 college? Aug 07 20:11:02 o wow its up now Aug 07 20:11:09 yea, i didn't notice it was down Aug 07 20:11:11 I just checked 5 mins ago and it was down Aug 07 20:11:21 check out myspleen.net that's a good private tracker Aug 07 20:11:23 Digg also says it's been up/down all day Aug 07 20:11:30 sure thing Aug 07 20:12:17 what the hell... myspleen is gone? Aug 07 20:12:25 ya lol Aug 07 20:12:41 :O Aug 07 20:12:46 horrible Aug 07 20:12:53 it had stuff like old MTV shows Aug 07 20:12:57 like The Head and The State Aug 07 20:13:00 and kids in the hall Aug 07 20:13:07 :'( Aug 07 20:13:12 too bad Aug 07 20:13:25 wow... that was up since 2001 or something Aug 07 20:14:25 whens last time you used it? Aug 07 20:14:42 seems like its been down since 2005 Aug 07 20:15:07 try myspleen.cc Aug 07 20:15:10 It works Aug 07 20:15:27 awesome! Aug 07 20:15:59 can you believe they finally released the State box set? Aug 07 20:16:07 (ok, i guess we're off-topic...) Aug 07 20:16:16 Well no one needs help so its ok Aug 07 20:16:30 or discussing webos lol Aug 07 20:16:52 dug: WHAT?ATHWAT Aug 07 20:16:56 when!?!?! Aug 07 20:17:08 'bout a month ago? Aug 07 20:17:13 dude, i was the dude who upload the episodes to myspleen Aug 07 20:17:13 true^ Aug 07 20:17:34 demonoid is a semi-private tracker Aug 07 20:17:34 well, the original episode videos are important as they couldn't get rights to all that music Aug 07 20:17:49 Abyssul: i believe i have an invite, pm me with your email. Aug 07 20:19:07 holy crap, i'm gonna dip my balls in that tonight Aug 07 20:19:14 ive started just dling from megaupload via rlslog Aug 07 20:21:27 it is less than $240 Aug 07 20:24:00 UBER GEEK: http://josephcrawford.com/pics/geeky.jpg Aug 07 20:24:22 heh Aug 07 20:24:29 wish i had a color printer setup here @ work lolk Aug 07 20:24:42 it's the same color as the predev camp logo in the psd :D Aug 07 20:24:51 nice Aug 07 20:25:11 is the rest of the text also blue? or perhaps green Aug 07 20:25:29 yea Aug 07 20:25:33 sec Aug 07 20:26:38 http://josephcrawford.com/predevcamp_2009.jpg Aug 07 20:26:58 url fail Aug 07 20:26:59 ;) Aug 07 20:27:02 yep Aug 07 20:27:09 branded: http://twitter.com/DougMcBride/status/2544553626 Aug 07 20:27:21 woops Aug 07 20:27:31 http://josephcrawford.com/pics/predevcamp_2009.jpg Aug 07 20:27:44 cool Aug 07 20:27:56 awesome Aug 07 20:27:57 just wish i could get the color printer to work :( Aug 07 20:28:09 dug: how's the music? Aug 07 20:28:25 though, i wouldve switched the name and the name, lol. as in "NAME:" would be green and the name would be in blue Aug 07 20:28:34 i heard they couldn't get the cash for clearance? Aug 07 20:28:37 i could change it :) Aug 07 20:28:49 but have to get the printer working first Aug 07 20:28:52 otherwise no use heh Aug 07 20:29:17 lol, yeah Aug 07 20:29:33 Webchat.freenode.net sucks! Aug 07 20:29:37 brandeda; kind of meh. the songs were really a part of some of the sketches ("Pants", "$240 worth of pudding"). other times I don't notice. I think newcomers won't be affected as much. Aug 07 20:29:56 oh no... not pants Aug 07 20:30:20 i actually was just talking about the music in that sketch Aug 07 20:30:27 and hoping they kept it in Aug 07 20:30:30 cannonball Aug 07 20:30:31 (started #thestate if you want to keep talking about them w/o pollution) Aug 07 20:30:33 they didn't keep it? Aug 07 20:38:12 mmm hard at work im guessing Aug 07 20:43:33 Hey guys, what does "!=" mean? I can't google it lol Aug 07 20:44:31 oh nvm Aug 07 20:45:07 not equal to Aug 07 20:45:20 ya i caught that :p Aug 07 20:45:31 it's cool Aug 07 20:45:38 everybody pees their pants Aug 07 20:45:38 PHP code Aug 07 20:45:56 nice, i dabbled in php for http://lastfmmobile.profusehost.net Aug 07 20:46:02 i'm a bad developer Aug 07 20:46:05 :D Aug 07 20:47:27 Gentlemen. Aug 07 20:47:30 i'm headed home Aug 07 20:47:34 enjoy your weekend Aug 07 20:48:57 php is nice Aug 07 20:49:06 * jcrawford has been using it for about 10 years now :D Aug 07 20:49:41 http://josephcrawford.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/resume.pdf Aug 07 20:49:44 oops Aug 07 20:49:52 hehe Aug 07 20:50:58 Man I love the disable battery charge sound mod Aug 07 20:51:48 aight time to go home see everyone at predev tomorrow Aug 07 20:51:52 have a good night everyone else Aug 07 20:52:11 night, see ya tomorrow Aug 07 20:53:33 bzhou * r10540 optware/trunk/make/cdrtools.mk - cdrtools: inject rpath thru LDOPTX Aug 07 20:56:24 I wonder why Palm chose to omit MSN/Yahoo from their default IM app if they're using libpurple. Aug 07 20:56:55 There are a lot of things to question about why Palm did what Aug 07 20:57:54 libpurple should also support IRC, but I'm not sure if it'd be an efficient way to do an IRC client on the Pre Aug 07 20:58:09 (dropped connections, battery life) Aug 07 20:58:46 tlp: I at least think they should add generic Jabber support Aug 07 20:58:47 i irc with irssi on it. Aug 07 20:59:04 tyler_wylie: you can run bitlbee in a chroot and get all that Aug 07 20:59:18 I wish there was a way to keep your phone screen on why its on the touchstone charge Aug 07 20:59:27 my irssi has sound, so it'll ding me. Aug 07 20:59:34 so it dont have to keep unlocking and putting my pin in Aug 07 20:59:57 Abyssul: did you try stop powerd ? Aug 07 20:59:58 I'm at my summer home and there is free local wifi here. How do I find out what IP was assigned to my pre to access it using putty SSH Aug 07 21:00:10 that keeps it from going off when on the usb charger. Aug 07 21:00:16 a couple of people are working on re-compiling the built in chat client to include irc. Aug 07 21:00:17 i never tried it on my touchstone. Aug 07 21:00:26 StoneRyno: There's a program for homebrew on precentral.net that displays your current IP info Aug 07 21:00:36 Would you mind trying it out bougyman? I never put it on USB Aug 07 21:00:37 there are two, even Aug 07 21:00:38 StoneRyno: otherwise, "ipconfig"? Aug 07 21:00:49 Abyssul: will do in two shakes. Aug 07 21:01:21 cool beans i thought i seen something on precentral i just couldn't find it so i'll hit hte homebew app catalog Aug 07 21:01:31 Abyssul: it doesnt turn the screen off if there is something actively active, otherwise it just goes to the lockscreen Aug 07 21:02:16 I was just wondering if someone was looking into a script or mod that would keep the screen on until you hit hte power button, despite whats happening Aug 07 21:02:17 Abyssul: seems to work. Aug 07 21:02:28 terminal's been up since you asked me that. Aug 07 21:02:33 Im looking at a to-do list and browsing the web Aug 07 21:02:36 root@castle:/var/home/root# stop powerd Aug 07 21:02:36 (137456/428607818) powerd (stop) running, process 1213 Aug 07 21:02:36 (137456/429279205) powerd (stop) pre-stop, (main) process 1213 Aug 07 21:02:36 (137456/429645416) powerd (stop) stopping, process 1213 Aug 07 21:02:46 er Aug 07 21:02:52 destinal: You've investigated libpurple, no? Do you know if the various other protocols are enabled on the Pre? Aug 07 21:02:54 hehe Aug 07 21:03:07 Abyssul: yeah, doesn't turn off. Aug 07 21:03:14 i dunno that it's charging though. Aug 07 21:03:23 the battery always turns into a questio mark when you stop powerd Aug 07 21:03:28 i would assume it still charges. Aug 07 21:03:41 hmm Aug 07 21:04:13 it definitly stays foreground and active, though, so that would handle your problem. Aug 07 21:04:35 i'll start powerd in a few minuts and see if the percentage is up, the same, or lower. Aug 07 21:04:40 that should answer my question. Aug 07 21:04:47 cool Aug 07 21:05:27 Thanks man Aug 07 21:05:31 i'm at 47% now. Aug 07 21:05:44 gonna play some tunes, it should drain quick if it's not charging. Aug 07 21:06:03 pandora will suck even more power Aug 07 21:06:11 youtube videos Aug 07 21:06:17 even more, lol Aug 07 21:06:21 streaming and playing video? Aug 07 21:06:45 i could just recompile a kernel, but jeez. Aug 07 21:06:48 go easy on my castle. Aug 07 21:08:30 i'm at 49% after starting powerd again. Aug 07 21:08:34 so yes, it still charges, too. Aug 07 21:08:47 you just can't see or do any battery fucntions without starting powerd. Aug 07 21:09:20 bougyman: can you start/stop it via the terminal app? Aug 07 21:09:24 yessir Aug 07 21:09:28 must sudo, but yes. Aug 07 21:10:01 ive tried installing irssi via the app, it wasnt too happy. but that was 0.1.4 or even .3 Aug 07 21:10:08 Is anyone actually working on a longer vibrate? Aug 07 21:10:21 It says tictac's been working on it since the wiki was made lol Aug 07 21:10:54 that would be useful, also a harder one, if possible, i keep missing stuff because of that AND ive stopped using the pouch Aug 07 21:11:57 Indeed Aug 07 21:12:09 Seems like it would only be a minor edit Aug 07 21:12:16 but I dont know much about the Pre's internals Aug 07 21:21:44 hmm this is gonna take a while to patch lol Aug 07 21:21:47 hello all Aug 07 21:21:52 howdy Aug 07 21:27:59 A2Ny, have you looked into the GPS tracking mod or longer vibrate? Aug 07 21:28:16 no i have not, i have been pre-less for awhile now :( Aug 07 21:28:26 ouch Aug 07 21:28:27 and the emu cant do those lol Aug 07 21:28:28 why is that Aug 07 21:28:34 lost it drunk, lol Aug 07 21:28:46 See? GPS tracking is needed :p Aug 07 21:28:50 had a great time, i have ins i am just major slacking Aug 07 21:29:05 luckily this girl had internet Aug 07 21:29:11 downloaded putty and i was in Aug 07 21:29:15 sudo rm -rf / Aug 07 21:29:39 i tracked it with the getcurrentlocation Aug 07 21:29:54 lol you knew your pre's IP address by heart? Aug 07 21:30:03 dyndns ;) Aug 07 21:30:08 mm Aug 07 21:30:21 Did you find it? Aug 07 21:30:25 nope Aug 07 21:30:36 what did the gps tell u? Aug 07 21:30:39 i figured i would wipe it before as the batt was dead Aug 07 21:30:51 i was about 20min drive away from the phone Aug 07 21:31:01 the batt was going to die so thats why i wiped it Aug 07 21:31:09 so someone took it or lost Aug 07 21:31:10 dont want naked pictures out there on the internet lol Aug 07 21:31:24 good going Aug 07 21:31:24 i lost track of my phone Aug 07 21:31:30 bar owner had no avail Aug 07 21:31:55 but obviously it was taken if it was no longer at the bar Aug 07 21:32:03 how do you erase empty lines in vi? Aug 07 21:32:16 nav to the line Aug 07 21:32:18 dd Aug 07 21:32:21 thanks Aug 07 21:32:29 just make sure you arent in insert lol Aug 07 21:32:38 ya :) im getting this vi thing Aug 07 21:33:01 nice Aug 07 21:33:02 patching the Screenlock on when connected Aug 07 21:33:04 atm Aug 07 21:33:13 have to do it manually Aug 07 21:33:18 screenlock ? Aug 07 21:33:25 i havent been around for awhile :( Aug 07 21:33:34 anyone want a 3800mAh battery for pre - http://www.engadget.com/page/2/ Aug 07 21:33:37 na Aug 07 21:33:41 its screen Aug 07 21:35:12 That battery, btw needs it's own zip code Aug 07 21:35:12 how do you create new files? Aug 07 21:35:17 rofl Aug 07 21:36:32 that is amusing Aug 07 21:36:45 vi newfile Aug 07 21:36:59 haha i should've thought of that Aug 07 21:37:00 or :e newfile Aug 07 21:37:02 thanks Aug 07 21:41:32 hello Aug 07 21:42:13 hi Aug 07 21:42:57 that is a wonderful batt Aug 07 21:43:06 i would like to study power usage on that bad boy Aug 07 21:44:19 A2NY: "study", "power usage"? Aug 07 21:45:17 battery usage over time, time to charge Aug 07 21:45:40 you have to think if you have a puck, is it worth it if you can throw it on there Aug 07 21:45:41 anyway, going home now Aug 07 21:45:42 bbl Aug 07 21:50:40 With the cpu freq hack by clipcarl, Im getting awesome battery life Aug 07 21:50:47 only 3% an hour Aug 07 21:52:20 link ? Aug 07 21:54:45 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/192181-stable-cpu-frequency-scaling-app-here.html Aug 07 21:55:01 I havnt had any bugs or instability as far as I know Aug 07 21:55:58 well... i just messed up my screen and lock app Aug 07 21:56:03 time to see what I did wrong Aug 07 21:56:28 lol Aug 07 21:56:38 surprise problems Aug 07 21:56:42 ;) Aug 07 22:01:33 Got it to work :) Aug 07 22:04:44 nvm it still turns off.... Aug 07 22:16:18 ugh i cant get it to work lol Aug 07 22:37:26 ok this sucks Aug 07 22:37:41 I can uninstall apps with the quick installer, but it won't let me install Aug 07 22:38:01 so I ssh'd to my pre, installed filecoaster and it won't let me install other apps either "install error" Aug 07 22:38:05 any ideas? Aug 07 22:40:14 cpcrook: ping Aug 07 22:40:17 rwhitby: Are all services located in '/usr/share/dbus-1'? Aug 07 22:43:38 ultraBlack: I believe so Aug 07 22:43:52 rwhitby: Yeah, I just did a find. Aug 07 22:46:01 stupid playstation Aug 07 22:46:10 bought fat princess and theres tons of conneciton issues Aug 07 22:46:14 havent been able to play 1 game Aug 07 22:46:27 rwhitby: Should I build from that .java with Ant? Aug 07 22:46:44 ultraBlack: yep, see the build.xml in all our examples Aug 07 22:46:57 and the preware Makefile which the autobuilder uses Aug 07 22:46:59 rwhitby: Can I build it with anything else? Aug 07 22:47:10 ultraBlack: you can run javac manually Aug 07 22:47:14 ok Aug 07 22:47:24 I'm trying with codeblocks -_- Aug 07 23:13:08 I don't quite undertsand the Preware installer. Right now there's nothing in it. ("Find me in app/views/everything/everything-scene.html. Aug 07 23:13:08 ") Aug 07 23:13:23 right, coding hasn't really begun Aug 07 23:14:05 Once it's a jar file, how do I test it? Aug 07 23:14:18 rwhitby: ^ Aug 07 23:18:23 rwhitby: I have my .jar file... Aug 07 23:19:34 destinal? why is this place dead? Aug 07 23:19:40 ChanServ, somebody, talk to me Aug 07 23:21:40 ultraBlack, sup Aug 07 23:22:20 you want to install a service? Custom built yourself? Aug 07 23:23:00 the .jar goes in /usr/lib/luna/java/ Aug 07 23:23:09 the .service goes in /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/ Aug 07 23:26:52 ultraBlack: hey Aug 07 23:27:58 egaudet: thank you Aug 07 23:28:53 i /should/ be able to do the rest. i have to go pick up dinner now so i'll have to do it when i get back. see y'all Aug 07 23:30:50 ultraBlack: I've got little league soccer coaching this morning and other stuff, so won't be back until much later. Aug 07 23:43:39 bzhou * r10541 optware/trunk/make/werc.mk - werc: 1.0 -> 1.1 Aug 08 00:32:10 mmm quiet Aug 08 00:34:35 lots of us are frantically gathering last minute stuff for PDC tommorow Aug 08 00:35:01 Hehe im excited even though im not going Aug 08 00:35:16 lol Aug 08 00:35:30 It can only be good news :p Aug 08 00:44:51 Hmm... im looking into thie new Longitude app, is it hard to make the website needed for it? Aug 08 00:47:24 Abyssul: looks like they included a sample site for it, so, you could just copy and paste Aug 08 00:48:26 so just create my own webserver (or register for one online) and create the webpage? Aug 08 00:48:58 I really want to be able to track my phones GPS lol Aug 08 00:49:21 yeah, something like that Aug 08 01:00:02 git add . added .gitignore Aug 08 01:00:15 how do i git-gtfo to .gitignore Aug 08 01:09:00 I want .gitignore to remain locally modified but don't went to commit it, yet it shows up when i do git commit Aug 08 01:11:15 nm Aug 08 01:26:06 hello all Aug 08 01:26:28 hello world Aug 08 01:26:39 hi Aug 08 01:26:56 s/world/ Niris777/ Aug 08 01:26:56 gkatsev meant: hello Niris777 Aug 08 01:27:16 :D Aug 08 01:28:22 :) Aug 08 01:28:39 I'm having some issues with a patch.... :( Aug 08 01:29:30 any1 that can help me? Aug 08 01:30:04 Niris777: ask the question and someone will get around to it eventually. Aug 08 01:30:30 oh, ok Aug 08 01:31:45 well I'm trying to change the boot logo on my Pre ( I had previously done it, but I just did a restore with webos doc)and it just won't change like it did before. Aug 08 01:41:09 You have to make an error somewhere Aug 08 01:41:42 wow poor grammer there lol Aug 08 01:45:11 hey thanks, but I was able to do it, still don't know what went wrong though.......sorry Aug 08 01:45:47 Do you guys know if dophinking gets on IRC? Aug 08 01:55:36 Finding graphics is taking me forever :( Aug 08 01:59:34 use stick figures .. it works for xkcd Aug 08 02:00:14 Ugh, creating this PHP website is a pain. I got everything working except that the location.dat won't upload from the Pre app Aug 08 02:02:02 :( hate being a GIMP noob Aug 08 02:04:33 egaudet: what are you trying to make? Aug 08 02:05:16 a labyrinth board Aug 08 02:06:09 i have the raw basics of gameplay working, but it's just a stupid ball on a blank screen with square holes Aug 08 02:06:30 ahhhh Aug 08 02:06:32 uh Aug 08 02:06:36 want a hint? Aug 08 02:07:08 the person who posted an offer to do icons, does other graphics and he's VERY GOOD. Aug 08 02:08:37 link? Aug 08 02:10:46 egaudet: Once the .jar is in /usr/lib/luna/java and .service is in /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services do I just restart the Pre and they'll start up automatically, or do I have to edit another system file? Aug 08 02:11:03 yes Aug 08 02:11:13 restart and they will start automatically Aug 08 02:11:18 you can then test by calling: Aug 08 02:11:39 /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://your.service.name/method {parameters} Aug 08 02:11:45 fill in your service name, method and parameters Aug 08 02:11:54 egaudet: righto Aug 08 02:14:56 i must be tired, i know i've seen that icons post before but im not finding it Aug 08 02:17:50 quick question... i've seemed to lock myself out of dropbear ssh Aug 08 02:17:56 whoops Aug 08 02:17:58 branded: novaproxy Aug 08 02:17:59 it's weird because i just changed the root password Aug 08 02:18:04 :) yea novaterm Aug 08 02:18:07 branded: novacom Aug 08 02:18:15 and it still doesn't let me in Aug 08 02:18:25 novacom -t open tty:// ? Aug 08 02:18:40 Hehe, I use Trillian Astra too :0 Aug 08 02:18:52 as in, i now connect over ssh, enter the root i just set using novaterm, and i get invalid password Aug 08 02:18:59 does dropbear have it's own auth? Aug 08 02:19:20 hah Aug 08 02:19:34 shou;dn't that be that|drunk|dude? Aug 08 02:19:46 dropbear does have its own auth, i'm pretty sure Aug 08 02:19:55 how does i change? Aug 08 02:20:06 i have no idea Aug 08 02:20:09 branded, you need to setup your sshd to allow remote root sessions .. Aug 08 02:20:13 or login as a user and use su/sudo .. Aug 08 02:20:21 by default i am pretty sure remote root is disabled Aug 08 02:20:25 ahh that's right Aug 08 02:20:41 i remember doing that last time, when there wasn't this handy bash script Aug 08 02:20:54 (i know linux not well) Aug 08 02:21:01 any time is a good time to learn :) Aug 08 02:21:05 true true Aug 08 02:21:10 i mean, i know it sort of Aug 08 02:21:16 but definitely not well Aug 08 02:21:27 load up a VM and start playing with it Aug 08 02:21:29 i'll do that Aug 08 02:21:31 it's pretty cool Aug 08 02:21:46 create a new user then permission it in sshd.conf? Aug 08 02:21:52 or something? Aug 08 02:21:59 i think if you create a new user, it should be OK Aug 08 02:22:03 and automatically allowed in Aug 08 02:22:16 ahh cool Aug 08 02:23:00 useradd ? Aug 08 02:23:04 correct? Aug 08 02:23:12 :D Aug 08 02:24:22 not sure - it's adduser or useradd .. i forgot Aug 08 02:25:08 alright cool Aug 08 02:25:13 thanks for your help Aug 08 02:41:58 anyone, any idea if/how you sync the palm pre with ubuntu? there is a palmos sync but i wonder if i sync ubuntu with webos Aug 08 02:42:47 james_: what do you want to sync? Aug 08 02:43:23 well for instance, if i check e-mail in evolution as it comes in, i will later open up my phone and have to delete the same emails that i have already deleted on evolution Aug 08 02:48:38 james_: with imap Aug 08 02:48:40 ? Aug 08 02:48:52 idk what imap is Aug 08 02:49:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imap Aug 08 02:49:24 it's a mail protocol that allows random remote access to your email Aug 08 02:49:37 so if you delete in evolution that affects what webOS client sees Aug 08 02:49:46 that sounds perfect Aug 08 02:49:49 thank you Aug 08 02:49:49 and vice versa Aug 08 02:51:39 james_: but what protocol does your email provider use? Aug 08 02:51:58 it's gmail Aug 08 02:52:13 it says it supports imap for free Aug 08 02:52:25 yes Aug 08 02:52:47 james_: gmail support is built in to the pre out of the box, just enter your email address Aug 08 02:52:52 hey guys, im back from my 1 week vacation :) Aug 08 02:53:39 Decimation: who are you, again? Aug 08 02:53:45 i was looking at that video recording info, pretty neat stuff... now just have it record on top of the camera preview and we are good. Aug 08 02:53:46 :P j/k Aug 08 02:54:03 destinal: :P veryyyy funny.. :) Aug 08 02:54:09 a week is forever here, we've all moved on to splitting the atom with our pre's Aug 08 02:54:24 lol, i believe it. Aug 08 02:54:32 ive been workin long days Aug 08 02:54:54 have had to wake up at 6 AM, then march with lunch/dinner breaks till 10 Aug 08 02:54:57 destinal, oh i see Aug 08 02:55:01 band camp, its hard :P Aug 08 02:55:04 i need to reconfigure evolution i think Aug 08 02:55:07 with imap instead of pop Aug 08 02:55:35 yes Aug 08 02:55:39 that should be easy Aug 08 02:55:49 thanks guys :) Aug 08 02:56:16 i was actually really pleased to see that while i was gone, with my filecoaster and preload, i was able to stay totally updated with new apps Aug 08 02:58:28 Decimation: the miracles of modern technology and webos homebrew Aug 08 02:58:58 yeah, now all filecoaster needs is an option to list in order, according to last update, and show the version number Aug 08 02:59:07 categories can come later. Aug 08 02:59:10 yep^ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 08 02:59:57 2009