**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 08 02:59:57 2009
Aug 08 02:59:59 <destinal> Decimation: do all of them just use their own feeds at the moment?
Aug 08 03:00:05 <gkatsev> search would be cool as well...
Aug 08 03:00:37 <Decimation> i think he might actually just parse from the homebrew catalog precentral put up
Aug 08 03:00:37 <james_> my favorite part is the shaking to erase the text or paste it
Aug 08 03:00:44 <james_> that takes away a couple steps
Aug 08 03:00:47 <james_> and i like that
Aug 08 03:00:54 <bpadalino> like an etch-a-sketch
Aug 08 03:00:58 <destinal> Decimation: yeah, filecoaster uses precentral's feed
Aug 08 03:01:11 <Decimation> james_: you have the updated version with the homebrew catalog, right?
Aug 08 03:01:42 <branded> who wrote filecoaster?
Aug 08 03:01:45 <james_> Decimation, yes but i like to use it to download wallpapers too
Aug 08 03:01:50 <Decimation> pregame i think?
Aug 08 03:01:57 <branded> how 'bout some alphabetizing up in that?
Aug 08 03:01:58 <branded> word
Aug 08 03:01:59 <james_> pregame has made my two favorite apps
Aug 08 03:02:06 <james_> filecoaster and flashlight
Aug 08 03:02:09 <Decimation> james_: ahh, maybe he will add that in sometime.
Aug 08 03:02:19 <james_> Decimation, add what?
Aug 08 03:02:22 <james_> you can already shake it
Aug 08 03:02:23 <Decimation> i want mytether 2.0 but i dont have money to give, it sucks :/
Aug 08 03:02:45 <branded> how much is it?
Aug 08 03:02:48 <Decimation> no, add in the ability to browse through a category of wallpapers
Aug 08 03:02:55 <james_> ah
Aug 08 03:02:58 <Decimation> i think you have to give a ten dollar donation.
Aug 08 03:02:58 <james_> yeah that'd be cool
Aug 08 03:03:31 <Decimation> im looking at the video camera, it cant be hard to modify the camera app to allow you to press a button to record video
Aug 08 03:03:42 <Decimation> like, just modify like they did with the shutter sound on/off
Aug 08 03:03:45 <bpadalino> someone else was looking at that as ell
Aug 08 03:03:51 <Decimation> and instead of toggling the sound, start/stop the camera.
Aug 08 03:04:19 <Abyssul> I want to expand on the GPS tracking ability of the Pre. Knowing where your Pre is is most important :p
Aug 08 03:04:22 <Decimation> gosh, im honestly way to lazy, i really need to learn my javascript soon.
Aug 08 03:05:14 <bpadalino> Decimation: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/VideoRecording
Aug 08 03:05:28 <Decimation> looking at it already
Aug 08 03:05:34 <ultraBlack> How would I create a ServiceMessage for the import package com.palm.luna.service.ServiceMessage?
Aug 08 03:05:35 <bpadalino> oh ok
Aug 08 03:05:48 <Decimation> but i think im gonna expierement with adding a record button to the camera.
Aug 08 03:05:56 <ultraBlack> Is there a place I can look to see the blueprint for a ServiceMessage object?
Aug 08 03:06:46 <tmzt> bluetprint?
Aug 08 03:06:53 <tmzt> like signature?
Aug 08 03:06:59 <ultraBlack> Structure, etc....
Aug 08 03:07:03 <tmzt> you can get those with dbus introspection
Aug 08 03:09:44 <ultraBlack> Okay, I don't know what that is, so let me explain. I'm trying to call a method luna-send and it wants a ServiceMessage for a parameter.
Aug 08 03:10:08 <ultraBlack> A method of a service FROM luna-send is what I meant to say
Aug 08 03:10:24 <bpadalino> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send
Aug 08 03:11:29 <ultraBlack> That doesn't seem to talk about accessing a services' methods
Aug 08 03:11:43 <bpadalino> that com.palm.whatever/methodname
Aug 08 03:11:44 <ultraBlack> Well, it does but
Aug 08 03:11:45 <bpadalino> that's the method
Aug 08 03:11:52 <ultraBlack> Not for a ServiceMethod object
Aug 08 03:11:57 <bpadalino> oh
Aug 08 03:11:58 <james_> i love my phone
Aug 08 03:12:11 <ultraBlack> I don't understand what to use as a parameter
Aug 08 03:12:27 <bpadalino> so you need the method parameters ?
Aug 08 03:12:40 <ultraBlack> I need to know how to pass a ServiceMethod object to a method that asks for one
Aug 08 03:13:11 <bpadalino> good question
Aug 08 03:13:26 <ultraBlack> rwhitby should know, he wrote the code
Aug 08 03:13:40 <bpadalino> he's a pretty smart guy
Aug 08 03:13:53 <ultraBlack> http://webos.pastebin.com/m2adcb779
Aug 08 03:13:57 <destinal> ultraBlack: which code?
Aug 08 03:13:58 <ultraBlack> But he's not here
Aug 08 03:14:02 <ultraBlack> destinal: http://webos.pastebin.com/m2adcb779
Aug 08 03:14:17 <branded> alright... i'm buying my tether
Aug 08 03:14:20 <branded> :)
Aug 08 03:15:59 <destinal> ultraBlack: there's lots of examples of calling services in the mojo code that comes on the pre, just grep for  palm://
Aug 08 03:16:08 <destinal> but there's docs on palm's sdk site too
Aug 08 03:16:09 <destinal> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?view=article&id=1538
Aug 08 03:16:20 <branded> who else wanted my tether?
Aug 08 03:16:25 <branded> i want to give the guy $20
Aug 08 03:16:56 <ultraBlack> i do
Aug 08 03:17:04 <branded> Decimation: I will buy you my tether
Aug 08 03:17:16 <Decimation> :O
Aug 08 03:17:21 <Decimation> i will
Aug 08 03:17:25 <Decimation> love you
Aug 08 03:17:26 <Decimation> forever
Aug 08 03:17:29 <branded> hah
Aug 08 03:17:34 <Decimation> you dont have to though.
Aug 08 03:17:36 <branded> sorry ultrablack, he mentioned it before
Aug 08 03:17:42 <ultraBlack> its k
Aug 08 03:17:48 <ultraBlack> i have work to do
Aug 08 03:17:52 <Decimation> so how are we gonna do this
Aug 08 03:17:59 <branded>  want to give the guy $20, i would have raised the donation price, but i couldn't figure it out
Aug 08 03:18:03 <branded> simple
Aug 08 03:19:23 <ultraBlack> destinal: How would you write  /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/
Aug 08 03:19:23 <ultraBlack> mount <insert parameter here>    to get it to work with that pastebin
Aug 08 03:19:52 <ultraBlack> that's /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/mount <ServiceMethod obj here>
Aug 08 03:20:07 <ultraBlack> I'm just using luna send to test for now.
Aug 08 03:20:14 <destinal> ultraBlack:  so it works in luna send?
Aug 08 03:20:18 <ultraBlack> I'll use the this.controller.serviceRequest in my app
Aug 08 03:20:31 <ultraBlack> destinal: that's what egaudet said
Aug 08 03:20:58 <ultraBlack> destinal: edgaudet said to use luna-send to call the method
Aug 08 03:24:30 <Decimation> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Email_DeleteAll
Aug 08 03:24:37 <Decimation> has anyone done that
Aug 08 03:24:44 <Decimation> if so, can i see a screen shot of how it looks
Aug 08 03:25:07 <destinal> ultraBlack: I mean, where you able to get luna-send to mount and unmount as a test?
Aug 08 03:25:17 <destinal> s/whe/we/
Aug 08 03:25:17 <infobot> destinal meant: ultraBlack: I mean, were you able to get luna-send to mount and unmount as a test?
Aug 08 03:27:13 <egaudet> /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/mount {}
Aug 08 03:27:16 <egaudet> as root
Aug 08 03:27:19 <ultraBlack> destinal: No, for one, I wouldn't expect it to mount and unmount straight await, seeing as dropbear / openssh is running. But what it does do is go to what looks to be an infinite loop of nothingness, that is, the command is entered (i press enter), a new line shows up in the ssh terminal, and no messages are output, despite what parameter i give it (I tried with and without quotes)
Aug 08 03:27:33 <ultraBlack> egaudet: that explains it. i need brackets. :o
Aug 08 03:27:58 <ultraBlack> Actually...
Aug 08 03:28:05 <ultraBlack> I did get an error message like this before
Aug 08 03:28:09 <ultraBlack> This is what I'm getting now:
Aug 08 03:28:10 <ultraBlack> ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Launch helper exited with unknown return code 0"}
Aug 08 03:28:27 <ultraBlack> Could that be good, considering I don't expect it to succeed?
Aug 08 03:28:42 <egaudet> does it return error right away or does it take a couple seconds
Aug 08 03:28:43 <destinal> odd, zero usually means success for most error codes
Aug 08 03:28:47 <ultraBlack> The code isn't written for success yet. I need to have it kill processes running from the mount point
Aug 08 03:29:02 <ultraBlack> egaudet: It takes a couple seconds
Aug 08 03:29:23 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Like 10 or 15
Aug 08 03:29:29 <ultraBlack> or 20
Aug 08 03:30:22 <egaudet> Ok so that is good in the sense that it is running the service, so it's having trouble finding the method in the jar or the method is running but not doing what you want
Aug 08 03:31:06 <ultraBlack> egaudet: It would make sense for the method to not do what I want, because it isn't written to do what the end user will want.
Aug 08 03:31:10 <ultraBlack> egaudet: It's written to fail.
Aug 08 03:31:45 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Dropbear/OpenSSH is running (in fact I'm executing luna-send from it) and is preventing the dismount. And if it's already mounted, it would probably give an error upon trying to remount.
Aug 08 03:32:17 <ultraBlack> I can't see why it couldn't find the method in the .jar. I put it where you said to, and everything compiled smoothly earlier.
Aug 08 03:32:32 <egaudet> what are you trying to dismount
Aug 08 03:32:41 <ultraBlack> egaudet: /opt.
Aug 08 03:32:54 <ultraBlack> egaudet: It's a virtual file system now.
Aug 08 03:33:01 <ultraBlack> On loopback.
Aug 08 03:33:06 <egaudet> why do you want to dismount?... anyway, what is the service file look like
Aug 08 03:33:08 <egaudet> s/is/does
Aug 08 03:33:32 <ultraBlack> [D-BUS Service]
Aug 08 03:33:32 <ultraBlack> Name=org.webosinternals.optloopservice
Aug 08 03:33:32 <ultraBlack> Exec=/usr/bin/luna-helper 'luna://com.palm.vm/launch' '{"serviceName":"org.webosinternals.optloopservice","className":"org.webosinternals.optloopservice.OptLoopService"}'
Aug 08 03:33:38 <egaudet> and has one messed with the display services?
Aug 08 03:33:58 <ultraBlack> Display services?
Aug 08 03:34:05 <branded> who wrote novaterm?
Aug 08 03:34:15 <branded> give me the source, i can't take it
Aug 08 03:34:17 <egaudet> ok so you have org/webosinternals/optloopservice/OptLoopService.class jar'd up
Aug 08 03:34:17 <branded> :D
Aug 08 03:34:29 <ultraBlack> egaudet: yeah
Aug 08 03:34:36 <Templarian> ultraBlack: if you saw earlier I fixed the tux template.
Aug 08 03:34:45 <ultraBlack> Templarian: Fixed?
Aug 08 03:34:50 <ultraBlack> Templarian: I fixed it last night
Aug 08 03:35:02 <egaudet> for sanity reasons, i put a simple version() function in the java
Aug 08 03:35:04 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Note: the vfs is in /media/internal
Aug 08 03:35:13 <egaudet> so you can run the luna-send.... /version {} and see activity
Aug 08 03:35:19 <ultraBlack> egaudet: yeah i'll do that, lol.
Aug 08 03:35:28 <Templarian> ultraBlack: no you had a huge typo... in the template.
Aug 08 03:35:35 <ultraBlack> templarian: :o
Aug 08 03:35:58 <Templarian> It's okay no one noticed and I went through and added the tux template back into random pages.
Aug 08 03:36:14 <ultraBlack> oh 64x64
Aug 08 03:36:18 <ultraBlack> sry
Aug 08 03:36:22 <ultraBlack> wait what
Aug 08 03:36:36 <Templarian> No you only copied part of the template when you pasted it.
Aug 08 03:36:53 <Templarian> I'm supprised you didn't realise it when you tried to use it hehe.
Aug 08 03:37:01 <egaudet> anyone know why i can't control the display (turn it on) from the shell
Aug 08 03:37:08 <egaudet> anyone mess with the display services yet?
Aug 08 03:37:26 <ultraBlack> Templarian: Is that why I was getting #icon php errors?
Aug 08 03:37:47 <Templarian> (oh you saw those also hehe)
Aug 08 03:38:46 <rwhitby> I noticed the missing icons, but was too polite to mention :-)
Aug 08 03:44:44 <egaudet> has anyone found the source for the display service com.palm.display
Aug 08 03:46:33 <ultraBlack> egaudet: What should I put in version()? Would a system.out.println("you win"); do?
Aug 08 03:47:26 <egaudet> i don't know about that, you can just return a JSON
Aug 08 03:47:35 <egaudet> check version() from accelservice or ledservice
Aug 08 03:48:16 <egaudet> for instance i return the JSON {version:0.0.3} which you see from the command line after running luna-send
Aug 08 03:49:09 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Nope the version method did not work. I got the same long pause followed by the same error message.
Aug 08 03:49:44 <ultraBlack> egaudet: I don't think I have either of those services on my pre yet
Aug 08 03:49:53 <egaudet> did you rebuild, reinstall jar, reboot
Aug 08 03:49:56 <ultraBlack> they're built in?
Aug 08 03:50:00 <ultraBlack> i thought those were homebrew
Aug 08 03:50:07 <ultraBlack> egaudet: yeah i did
Aug 08 03:50:07 <egaudet> they are on the ipkg feed
Aug 08 03:50:19 <ultraBlack> i guess i'll have to download & try them out
Aug 08 03:50:26 <egaudet> you can use ipkg to install the services, then have to remount rw and run postinst script to get it linked in
Aug 08 03:50:44 <ultraBlack> how do i run postinst?
Aug 08 03:50:51 <ultraBlack> it's just a .sh?
Aug 08 03:51:18 <egaudet> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:AccelService
Aug 08 03:51:22 <egaudet> yea it is just a .sh
Aug 08 03:51:32 <egaudet> /bin/sh ../whatever/service.postinst
Aug 08 03:51:44 <egaudet> you have to have / remounted as rw
Aug 08 03:51:51 <ultraBlack> ipkg, or git?
Aug 08 03:52:07 <egaudet> ipkg to install it on the pre
Aug 08 03:52:12 <egaudet> ipkg -o /var update
Aug 08 03:52:27 <ultraBlack> oh i was trying ipkg-opt
Aug 08 03:52:30 <egaudet> ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.accelservice
Aug 08 03:52:52 <ultraBlack> Cannot find package org.webosinternals.accelservice.
Aug 08 03:53:07 <egaudet> did you run the previos steps from the wiki
Aug 08 03:53:43 <ultraBlack> nope, those instructions are all new to me
Aug 08 03:53:44 <egaudet> to get the preware feed visible to ipkg
Aug 08 03:54:21 <egaudet> ok well do them, and in the future you can just use ipkg to install anything from preware feed
Aug 08 03:54:47 <ultraBlack> sweet
Aug 08 03:55:45 <rwhitby> (hint: check the http directory one above the preware feeds for an easter egg)
Aug 08 03:57:02 <ultraBlack> http://gitorious.org/webos-applications/?
Aug 08 03:57:22 <rwhitby> nope, the preware feed, not the git repo
Aug 08 03:57:33 <ultraBlack> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/?
Aug 08 03:57:43 <Rick___> ipkg.preware.org/feed
Aug 08 03:57:46 <ultraBlack> What is preware! lol
Aug 08 03:57:48 <ultraBlack> oh preware.org
Aug 08 03:57:58 <ultraBlack> never been there
Aug 08 03:58:34 <ultraBlack> ipkg.preware.org/feed
Aug 08 03:58:47 <ultraBlack> i don't see the easter bunny
Aug 08 03:59:13 <egaudet> ipkg.preware.org
Aug 08 03:59:38 <ultraBlack> yeah, i get that
Aug 08 03:59:53 <egaudet> Smooth as butter rolling ball into a hole labyrinth beginning game pushed
Aug 08 03:59:57 <egaudet> i quit on graphics for today
Aug 08 04:00:24 <ultraBlack> then maybe you can help me understand what's going on
Aug 08 04:00:28 <egaudet> sure
Aug 08 04:00:40 <egaudet> and hopefully I can find out how to unlock the power of the display dimm/off
Aug 08 04:00:49 <egaudet> palm got some kind of protection on it
Aug 08 04:01:57 <ultraBlack> look @ brightness unlinked?
Aug 08 04:02:34 <egaudet> link
Aug 08 04:02:39 <ultraBlack> sec
Aug 08 04:03:02 <ultraBlack> egaudet: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/196412-brightness-unlinked.html
Aug 08 04:04:12 <ultraBlack> egaudet: luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.accelservice/version {} does the same
Aug 08 04:04:52 <ultraBlack> Actually maybe I need to reboot
Aug 08 04:05:03 <ultraBlack> though, it seems fishy
Aug 08 04:05:47 <killakiz> does onClick work for mojo
Aug 08 04:05:47 <rwhitby> services require pretty much a reboot when you change them
Aug 08 04:05:48 <killakiz> or
Aug 08 04:06:01 <killakiz> as a finger tap
Aug 08 04:06:10 <killakiz> or do i have to use something else
Aug 08 04:07:15 <killakiz> my code work in aptana using default
Aug 08 04:07:27 <killakiz> but when i try in on the emulator or device it doesnt calculate
Aug 08 04:07:45 <killakiz> sorry
Aug 08 04:07:50 <rwhitby> egaudet: new app?
Aug 08 04:07:51 <killakiz> in wrong channel i see
Aug 08 04:07:58 <rwhitby> egaudet: want me to package it?
Aug 08 04:08:03 <egaudet> hmmmmm so not all services accessible through dbus?
Aug 08 04:08:07 <egaudet> luna-send?
Aug 08 04:08:14 <egaudet> yea new app, don't package it yet
Aug 08 04:08:15 <egaudet> it's very raw
Aug 08 04:08:35 <rwhitby> ok
Aug 08 04:08:46 <egaudet> no graphics, no levels, but the ball rolls smooth with the accelerometer running at 1KHZ
Aug 08 04:08:59 <ultraBlack> Alright, I got
Aug 08 04:08:59 <ultraBlack> ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {version:"0.0.3"}
Aug 08 04:08:59 <ultraBlack>  from luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.accelservice/version {}
Aug 08 04:09:06 <egaudet> yea ultraBlack
Aug 08 04:09:09 <egaudet> works
Aug 08 04:09:16 <ultraBlack> Thought so myself.
Aug 08 04:09:45 <ultraBlack> So...how does your version() work? Care to fill me in?
Aug 08 04:09:49 <ultraBlack> Returns a JSONObject?
Aug 08 04:12:01 <ultraBlack> I feel that my (rwhitby-written) service is misconfigured.
Aug 08 04:12:25 <destinal> ultraBlack: so learn some java and improve it! :)
Aug 08 04:12:41 <destinal> cpcrook: fios?
Aug 08 04:12:43 * destinal is jealous
Aug 08 04:12:45 <cpcrook> indeed
Aug 08 04:12:47 <ultraBlack> destinal: I don't think it's the java, though
Aug 08 04:12:48 <egaudet> source is open, but yes it fills a JSON in and returns it
Aug 08 04:12:57 <cpcrook> overkill for IRC though ;)
Aug 08 04:13:36 <egaudet> grrr why can't i use the display service with luna-send
Aug 08 04:13:53 <ultraBlack> Launch helper exited with unknown return code ? I mean what does that mean
Aug 08 04:14:19 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Does version() need a @LunaServiceThread.PublicMethod?
Aug 08 04:14:29 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Or can it be public in .java
Aug 08 04:14:38 <egaudet> yes, any service method must
Aug 08 04:14:41 <ultraBlack> ok
Aug 08 04:14:55 <egaudet> (i think)
Aug 08 04:15:04 <egaudet> you can do a direct copy of my version into your java
Aug 08 04:15:12 <egaudet> (don't forgot global myVersion string)
Aug 08 04:15:19 <egaudet> and test your service
Aug 08 04:36:50 <ultraBlack> egaudet: I copied the version() from your accelservice and I still get the same error.
Aug 08 04:37:08 <ultraBlack> ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Launch helper exited with unknown return code 0"}
Aug 08 04:37:23 <egaudet> rebooted?
Aug 08 04:37:29 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Yup.
Aug 08 04:38:01 <egaudet> how are you building it?
Aug 08 04:38:20 <ultraBlack> javac -classpath json.jar;lunaservice.jar;serviceframework.jar;Utils.jar OptLoopService.java
Aug 08 04:38:37 <ultraBlack> jar cf org.webosinternals.optloopservice.jar OptLoopService.class
Aug 08 04:39:26 <ultraBlack> This is my .java file: http://webos.pastebin.com/m1933cc3f
Aug 08 04:39:52 <imop45> Hi all.
Aug 08 04:40:31 <imop45> My pre's screen has just cracked but have read tht its pprobably a defect.
Aug 08 04:41:10 <imop45> So going to send it in to palm. My question is... should i erase everything so they know i didnt root my pre?
Aug 08 04:41:21 <egaudet> try using ant to build it? do you need OptLoopService() to be public
Aug 08 04:41:38 <ultraBlack> imop45: My side's been cracked about an inch and diverted itself from the touchscreen. Been like that since a week after launch.
Aug 08 04:42:17 <imop45> Well, i cant use it. It dropped but not the high off the ground and ive never had a phone's screen break.
Aug 08 04:42:29 <ultraBlack> imop45: mm..
Aug 08 04:42:41 <cpcrook> i returned a pre with a broken volume switch and only did the full erase option (no webosdoc)
Aug 08 04:42:49 <imop45> I had a v3 razor drop off a 2 story building onto a parking lot and nothing.
Aug 08 04:42:59 <rwhitby> imop45: you should webos doctor it, for your own privacy's sake.
Aug 08 04:43:01 <ultraBlack> egaudet: I don't know how to use Ant, but I know I can get it installed. I installed it just a few days ago and it seemed to work. What do you mean by having OptLoopService() public?
Aug 08 04:43:24 <egaudet> i dont see myVersion declared
Aug 08 04:43:26 <imop45> Well, i was going to try the palm profile OTA erase feature. See how that works
Aug 08 04:43:43 <egaudet> why do you need the constructor?
Aug 08 04:43:44 <ultraBlack> egaudet: private String myVersion = "0.0.3"; towards the end
Aug 08 04:43:45 <cpcrook> i dont think they'll care about software modifications as long as your return reason isnt related to something that could have been caused by it (ie: burning out your flash by running the torch too long)
Aug 08 04:43:46 <rwhitby> imop45: palm already knows who has and hasn't installed dropbear on their pre, cause they get a ps listing every time one of your apps crash.
Aug 08 04:43:54 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Right before DBUS Methods
Aug 08 04:44:11 <rwhitby> (along with the nearest wifi ssid's to you)
Aug 08 04:44:18 <ultraBlack> rwhitby: Why do I need the constructor?
Aug 08 04:44:28 <egaudet> oh yea sorry, lol it's getting lat
Aug 08 04:44:30 <egaudet> late*
Aug 08 04:44:54 <egaudet> I think it has to be build related (i.e. METAINF)
Aug 08 04:44:56 <imop45> Hmm, wow ok then. Does software mods void your warranty? As long as its reasonable mods?
Aug 08 04:45:07 <rwhitby> ultraBlack: don't ask me - I just search and replaced on PuffTheMagic's code.  there is no reason to believe that optloopservice will do anything remotely functional.  I just gave you a skeleton.
Aug 08 04:45:15 <tmzt> what is meant by "mods"
Aug 08 04:45:19 <ultraBlack> rwhitby: I see
Aug 08 04:45:27 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Build related?
Aug 08 04:45:31 <rwhitby> imop45: if palm or sprint wanted to, they can make anything void your warranty.
Aug 08 04:45:35 <imop45> Just light things, like some patches and homebrew apps
Aug 08 04:45:36 <tmzt> you have a root filesystem, which is actually a read write filesystem on an sd card
Aug 08 04:45:38 <PuffTheMagic> what about me?
Aug 08 04:45:42 <ultraBlack> egaudet: You think it needs the constructor?
Aug 08 04:45:43 <PuffTheMagic> what did i miss?
Aug 08 04:45:44 <egaudet> I originally had problems with mine, when I was javac'ing it
Aug 08 04:45:49 <imop45> rwhitby: So so true
Aug 08 04:45:55 <rwhitby> imop45: webos doctor it, and it's indistinguishable from factory fresh.
Aug 08 04:46:14 <cpcrook> yeah webosdoc will cover your ass no matter what ;)
Aug 08 04:46:19 <egaudet> I don't know the details of java and jars so I'm just throwing that out there, I know it creates some META_INF direcotry
Aug 08 04:46:25 <egaudet> s/direcotry/directory
Aug 08 04:46:35 <ultraBlack> rwhitby: Actually, official updates stay installed, so it's like factory Brand New
Aug 08 04:46:37 <PuffTheMagic> why did i get messaged?
Aug 08 04:46:39 <cpcrook> i was already in the store and they had units in stock to replace mine when i turned it in
Aug 08 04:46:41 <imop45> ok, now second q. What about rsync: does it copy EVERYTHING? So if/when i get a new pre i wont have to even move an icon around?
Aug 08 04:46:45 <PuffTheMagic> mentioned
Aug 08 04:47:02 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: the /opt loopback thing. forget about it
Aug 08 04:47:11 <PuffTheMagic> yes +=
Aug 08 04:47:13 <PuffTheMagic> ++
Aug 08 04:47:16 <PuffTheMagic> thanks
Aug 08 04:47:19 <PuffTheMagic> resize ++
Aug 08 04:47:21 <egaudet> try the build.xml and ant to build
Aug 08 04:47:25 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: we were just wondering if you need a service constructor in the .java
Aug 08 04:47:26 <egaudet> the java doesn't seem wrong
Aug 08 04:47:33 <PuffTheMagic> nope
Aug 08 04:47:40 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: k, thanks.
Aug 08 04:47:44 <PuffTheMagic> its not required
Aug 08 04:47:51 <PuffTheMagic> unless you want to setup shit
Aug 08 04:48:05 * ultraBlack is installing Ant.
Aug 08 04:48:06 <PuffTheMagic> when the object is created
Aug 08 04:48:07 <imop45> cpcrook: does the palm profile OTA erase thing erase everything? its suppossed to be for corprate security.
Aug 08 04:48:13 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: u dont need ant
Aug 08 04:48:28 <cpcrook> it erases downloaded apps and personal data if im not mistaken
Aug 08 04:48:39 <cpcrook> but will not set your FS back to factory
Aug 08 04:48:46 <CIA-29> Destinal wiki * r4053 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Debug_Switches - New page about luna UI debugging
Aug 08 04:48:47 <cpcrook> ie: if you've rooted
Aug 08 04:48:55 <cpcrook> and been dicking around with linux
Aug 08 04:48:57 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: Explain this? luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopserv
Aug 08 04:48:57 <ultraBlack> ice/version {}
Aug 08 04:48:57 <ultraBlack> ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Launch helper exited with unknown return code 0"}
Aug 08 04:49:14 <imop45> Hmm, ok. Anyone know if rsync will backup and restore everything, if icon placement in Launcher?
Aug 08 04:49:29 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: i dont know how you wrote your service
Aug 08 04:49:30 <egaudet> what is your service file look like again ultraBlack
Aug 08 04:49:36 <PuffTheMagic> do idont really know hwy you got that error
Aug 08 04:49:46 <PuffTheMagic> i would have to see the code
Aug 08 04:49:48 <imop45> cpcrook: ill webos it then as long as rsync can do what i need to
Aug 08 04:49:53 <egaudet> http://webos.pastebin.com/m1933cc3f
Aug 08 04:49:53 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic, egaudet: [D-BUS Service]
Aug 08 04:49:53 <ultraBlack> Name=org.webosinternals.optloopservice
Aug 08 04:49:53 <ultraBlack> Exec=/usr/bin/luna-helper 'luna://com.palm.vm/launch' '{"serviceName":"org.webosinternals.optloopservice","className":"org.webosinternals.optloopservice.OptLoopService"}'
Aug 08 04:49:54 <PuffTheMagic> which i am willing ot look at
Aug 08 04:50:00 <PuffTheMagic> but i not nothing
Aug 08 04:50:03 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, that pastebin is his java
Aug 08 04:50:12 <PuffTheMagic> cause i just got back form my grandpas 90th bd party
Aug 08 04:50:15 <PuffTheMagic> and i drunk
Aug 08 04:50:20 <PuffTheMagic> and i have family around
Aug 08 04:50:30 <PuffTheMagic> and i dont feel like looking at java
Aug 08 04:50:39 <cpcrook> imop45: personally, I'd just webosdoc it.  is moving icons really worth a potential warranty rejection?
Aug 08 04:50:45 <PuffTheMagic> bit tomorrow i would do it if im free
Aug 08 04:51:23 <egaudet> send me the jar ultraBlack
Aug 08 04:51:46 <imop45> cpcrook: eh ive done it 4 times already...  Eh, i wonder what file saves there location. And no its not a risk im willing to take
Aug 08 04:52:12 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Like that or do you want me to upload it somewhere
Aug 08 04:52:26 <ultraBlack> hmm
Aug 08 04:52:50 <egaudet> upload it somewhere
Aug 08 04:52:59 <ultraBlack> i don't know any good places
Aug 08 04:53:05 <ultraBlack> i never upload jars
Aug 08 04:53:16 <imop45> cpcrook: ive googled about rsync and i dont know what the answer would be
Aug 08 04:53:36 <egaudet> copy it into an empty directory and jar -xvf it
Aug 08 04:53:43 <egaudet> tell me everything you get out of it
Aug 08 04:54:17 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: did you model your service after my LEDService?
Aug 08 04:54:24 <PuffTheMagic> i know that works
Aug 08 04:54:34 <imop45> where's the icon location save files in Launcher (if anyone knows)
Aug 08 04:54:44 <ultraBlack> rwhitby: Did you model my service after PuffTheMagic's LEDService?
Aug 08 04:55:13 <imop45> This will be my 5th palm pre.
Aug 08 04:55:22 <ultraBlack> imop45: unlucky
Aug 08 04:55:27 <imop45> very
Aug 08 04:55:33 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: i wrote LEDService and IPKGservice...i can only guaranteed LEDService works
Aug 08 04:55:40 <imop45> And eembarrassing.
Aug 08 04:55:45 <PuffTheMagic> but someone else mased Acceleromter service
Aug 08 04:55:52 <PuffTheMagic> and that was based on my LED service
Aug 08 04:55:55 <ultraBlack> egaudet:   created: META-INF/
Aug 08 04:55:55 <ultraBlack>  inflated: META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
Aug 08 04:55:55 <ultraBlack>  inflated: OptLoopService.class
Aug 08 04:56:15 <PuffTheMagic> so i am pretty sure i you know java and you model it after my service it will work
Aug 08 04:56:22 <egaudet> it should have inflated org/webosinternals/optloopservice/OptLoopService.class
Aug 08 04:56:39 <ultraBlack> not just OptLoopService.class?
Aug 08 04:56:42 <egaudet> right
Aug 08 04:56:45 <ultraBlack> It got placed in the wrong dir...
Aug 08 04:56:48 <ultraBlack> wrong area
Aug 08 04:56:56 <egaudet> your class (from your service file) is org.webosinternals.optloopservice.OptLoopService
Aug 08 04:56:57 <ultraBlack> so.
Aug 08 04:57:24 <egaudet> when the jar gets extracted it can't find org/webosinternals/optloopservice/OptLoopService and eventually times out
Aug 08 04:57:30 <ultraBlack> what should i use for jar [options] [sourcefile]
Aug 08 04:57:37 <egaudet> hence your "unknown error" problem
Aug 08 04:57:52 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: how are u making your jar?
Aug 08 04:57:55 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Maybe I can use winrar to move it?
Aug 08 04:58:26 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: jar is like a tar.gz file
Aug 08 04:58:28 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Aug 08 04:58:36 <ultraBlack> I was doing jar cf org.webosinternals.optloopservice.jar OptLoopService.class
Aug 08 04:58:56 <ultraBlack> OptLoopService.class should be in org/webosineternals/optloopservice dir then
Aug 08 04:59:00 <ultraBlack> relative to where it is now
Aug 08 04:59:03 <egaudet> yes
Aug 08 04:59:06 <ultraBlack> and then when i jar it, i give the full path
Aug 08 04:59:08 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: install ant and use my build.xml file
Aug 08 04:59:09 <ultraBlack> Alright!
Aug 08 04:59:13 <PuffTheMagic> or use eclipse
Aug 08 04:59:18 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: I don't need Ant, remember :D
Aug 08 04:59:19 <PuffTheMagic> and let it make the ar
Aug 08 04:59:24 <egaudet> yea i like ant the best
Aug 08 04:59:26 <ultraBlack> eclipse, maybe.
Aug 08 04:59:28 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: rember what
Aug 08 04:59:30 <ultraBlack> i have eclipse already
Aug 08 04:59:36 <PuffTheMagic> u sound like u fail at ant
Aug 08 04:59:38 <PuffTheMagic> or jar
Aug 08 04:59:42 <PuffTheMagic> so u need something
Aug 08 04:59:43 <ultraBlack> i don't want to install ant
Aug 08 04:59:46 <ultraBlack> right now
Aug 08 04:59:50 <destinal> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Debug_Switches
Aug 08 04:59:56 <destinal> check it out just for the screenshot alone
Aug 08 05:00:08 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: so if u have eclispse
Aug 08 05:00:09 <ultraBlack> destinal: yeah, that's nice
Aug 08 05:00:13 <PuffTheMagic> export as a jar file
Aug 08 05:00:17 <ultraBlack> destinal: looks like a .swf
Aug 08 05:00:17 <PuffTheMagic> and it will be fine
Aug 08 05:00:46 <ultraBlack> destinal: right click -> show redraw regions
Aug 08 05:01:18 <ultraBlack> I need the eclipse plugin for webos though
Aug 08 05:01:21 <ultraBlack> where do i get that
Aug 08 05:01:29 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: no u dont
Aug 08 05:01:31 <ultraBlack> k
Aug 08 05:01:34 <PuffTheMagic> its not that useful
Aug 08 05:01:34 <rwhitby> ultraBlack: developer.palm.com
Aug 08 05:02:07 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: one-click install+play is kind of nice
Aug 08 05:02:13 <PuffTheMagic> yes
Aug 08 05:02:16 <PuffTheMagic> kinda nice
Aug 08 05:02:28 <ultraBlack> i have templarian's komodo toolbox
Aug 08 05:02:33 <ultraBlack> it's pretty alright
Aug 08 05:02:42 <PuffTheMagic> but its easy enought ot do ; palm-package .; palm-install
Aug 08 05:02:55 <PuffTheMagic> eclipse ftw+
Aug 08 05:02:55 <ultraBlack> on windows its kind of a bitch
Aug 08 05:03:03 <PuffTheMagic> windows sucks period
Aug 08 05:03:06 <ultraBlack> it puts it in your user folder
Aug 08 05:03:10 <ultraBlack> palm-package
Aug 08 05:03:13 <ultraBlack> :/ idk
Aug 08 05:03:34 * PuffTheMagic love how he hasnt usead windows in 10 years
Aug 08 05:03:38 <Templarian> ultraBlack: don't worry about him, hes one of the few people that likes Eclipse for webOS dev.
Aug 08 05:03:53 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: i like eclipse for all my devel
Aug 08 05:04:02 <ultraBlack> I've never even used Eclipse for anything
Aug 08 05:04:03 <PuffTheMagic> its a very robust and free IDE
Aug 08 05:04:07 <ultraBlack> SCiTE ftw
Aug 08 05:04:18 <ultraBlack> ;o
Aug 08 05:04:29 <PuffTheMagic> i've used lots of editors for coding
Aug 08 05:04:31 <PuffTheMagic> and they all suck
Aug 08 05:04:33 <egaudet> Komodo is nice to set up/build... gvim for the coding
Aug 08 05:04:37 <PuffTheMagic> compared to eclipses features
Aug 08 05:04:42 <destinal> where's the best place to link this (http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Debug_Switches) under, I wonder..  research?
Aug 08 05:04:55 <ultraBlack> actually i'm pretty much finishing up my escapade with scite and switching to komodo edit, despite how bloated it is
Aug 08 05:04:56 <ultraBlack> its nice
Aug 08 05:05:31 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: idk what you haven against eclipse, unless you just hate jave apps
Aug 08 05:05:50 <PuffTheMagic> cause eclipse is nice really
Aug 08 05:05:51 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: its very clucky to use imo for webOS work.
Aug 08 05:05:51 <egaudet> ultraBlack, how is it going
Aug 08 05:06:08 <ultraBlack> egaudet: i need to see how i can get eclipse to let me export to .jar
Aug 08 05:06:17 <Templarian> It's one of those things use the better tool. I would use Komodo for C# etc.
Aug 08 05:06:18 <ultraBlack> i guess it needs to be an eclipse project
Aug 08 05:06:30 <Templarian> s/would/wouldn't
Aug 08 05:06:43 <egaudet> just jar -cvf org/webosinternals/optloopservice/OptLoopService.class opt.webosinternals.optloopservice.jar
Aug 08 05:06:51 <egaudet> no need fancy guis
Aug 08 05:06:59 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: why do u need to say for webos development...
Aug 08 05:07:00 <ultraBlack> egaudet: yeah i know but i'm lazy and need to find some way to accelerate this process eventually
Aug 08 05:07:08 <egaudet> build.xml / ant
Aug 08 05:07:15 <ultraBlack> egaudet: :O NOOOOO
Aug 08 05:07:21 <egaudet> fastest way possible
Aug 08 05:07:25 <ultraBlack> egaudet: ant is weird i had enough confusion setting it up
Aug 08 05:07:36 <ultraBlack> i'll install it after i test this version() method
Aug 08 05:07:40 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: do u install a seperate IDE for each language u program in?
Aug 08 05:07:41 <ultraBlack> k? deal?lol
Aug 08 05:07:45 <egaudet> once you have a build.xml you do "ant clean build jar" (clean build jar are 3 targets)
Aug 08 05:07:56 <egaudet> anywho, jar it up and you are good
Aug 08 05:08:03 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: no I extend my editor how I see fit lol. I only use Visual Studio and Komodo though.
Aug 08 05:08:03 <ultraBlack> egaudet: clean build jar eh
Aug 08 05:08:15 <PuffTheMagic> Visual Studio
Aug 08 05:08:18 <egaudet> yea assuming those 3 targets are in the build.xml
Aug 08 05:08:27 * rwhitby uses emacs and make
Aug 08 05:08:35 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: that is bigger than eclipse
Aug 08 05:08:41 * egaudet hi
Aug 08 05:08:43 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: make is not a ide
Aug 08 05:08:48 <PuffTheMagic> dont confuse things
Aug 08 05:08:52 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: ah, but emacs is :-)
Aug 08 05:09:02 <PuffTheMagic> no its not its a text editor
Aug 08 05:09:06 <egaudet> screw ide's!
Aug 08 05:09:22 <Templarian> egaudet: right (also Komodo Edit is an editor)
Aug 08 05:09:22 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: if you think emacs is just a text editor, you're not using it right.
Aug 08 05:09:25 <ultraBlack> egaudet: what does the v in -cvf do?
Aug 08 05:09:30 <egaudet> verbose
Aug 08 05:09:32 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: i dont use it ever
Aug 08 05:09:38 <PuffTheMagic> its uglu
Aug 08 05:09:41 <PuffTheMagic> ulgy
Aug 08 05:09:57 <Templarian> Basing an editor off how it looks. lol.
Aug 08 05:09:58 <rwhitby> how can emacs in an ssh window be ugly?
Aug 08 05:10:20 <rwhitby> gui's are just ways to making it easy to organise multiple command line windows on a big screen ...
Aug 08 05:10:23 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: i do usabiliy for a profession
Aug 08 05:10:32 <PuffTheMagic> what is beautiful is usabible
Aug 08 05:10:47 * PuffTheMagic cant spell for shit
Aug 08 05:11:04 <talsair> isn't it the other way around.  what is usable is beautiful (me says from the background)
Aug 08 05:11:05 <Templarian> rwhitby: hehe so true.
Aug 08 05:11:14 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: i think its funny say eclipse is clunk and yet u use visual studio
Aug 08 05:11:21 <rwhitby> I'd say there are plenty of people in your country that think the usabible is a beautiful thing ... ;-)
Aug 08 05:11:40 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: It's the most powerful editor ever created. And it's actually very light weight for what it does.
Aug 08 05:12:47 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: it doesnt do code completion, it does not do code refactoring, it does not do templates, it does not have git integration
Aug 08 05:13:08 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: lol. It does all of that.
Aug 08 05:13:24 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: and i need to learn lisp to use it
Aug 08 05:13:25 <PuffTheMagic> great
Aug 08 05:13:27 <ultraBlack> can i guess your guys nationality? puffthemagic is either turkish or american and rwhitby is british/english
Aug 08 05:13:54 * rwhitby is australian
Aug 08 05:13:59 <ultraBlack> fair enough.
Aug 08 05:14:10 <ultraBlack> mate
Aug 08 05:14:19 <destinal> ultraBlack: :P
Aug 08 05:14:25 <rwhitby> no wuckkas
Aug 08 05:14:28 <PuffTheMagic> i really cant speak for all u windows users
Aug 08 05:14:36 <PuffTheMagic> cause i am probably the only linux only user here
Aug 08 05:14:43 <PuffTheMagic> but eclipse is great
Aug 08 05:14:57 <rwhitby> only linux user here ... pfft
Aug 08 05:14:59 <PuffTheMagic> we dont have visual studio
Aug 08 05:15:05 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: Rule #1 no OS arguing, all tools supported by multiplatform.
Aug 08 05:15:13 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: you do have C# though.
Aug 08 05:15:20 <destinal> PuffTheMagic:  I'm a Linux and eclipse user, you insensitive clod!
Aug 08 05:15:39 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: there is no visual studio for linux
Aug 08 05:15:41 <rwhitby> destinal: PuffTheMagic is the only *true* linux user here ... we're all just acolytes
Aug 08 05:15:48 <PuffTheMagic> and u r the one who brought tha tup
Aug 08 05:15:49 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: You have other editors for Mono.
Aug 08 05:16:08 <Templarian> Visual Studio is only for .NET mainly.
Aug 08 05:16:11 <destinal> rwhitby: lol
Aug 08 05:16:11 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: i wont tought mono with a 10 foot poll
Aug 08 05:16:18 <PuffTheMagic> i hate interpreted languages
Aug 08 05:16:20 <rwhitby> Templarian: um, C/C++ ...
Aug 08 05:16:36 <PuffTheMagic> i like java yes cause its easy
Aug 08 05:16:39 <Templarian> rwhitby: oh yea lol.
Aug 08 05:16:46 <ultraBlack> egaudet: when i do jar -cf org/webos
Aug 08 05:16:46 <ultraBlack> internals/optloopservice/OptLoopService.class asdf.jar, why do I get asdf.jar : no such file or directory, so what? shouldn't it MAKE it
Aug 08 05:16:54 <PuffTheMagic> but if my c/c++ was better i would always write in that
Aug 08 05:17:06 <destinal> rwhitby: well c++  can be .net too right, just as vb can
Aug 08 05:17:09 <Templarian> rwhitby: My bro being a C++ guru would kill me for forgetting that.
Aug 08 05:17:11 <PuffTheMagic> f' mono/.net
Aug 08 05:17:18 <destinal> .net is a framework, c# is a language
Aug 08 05:17:37 <destinal> hell, ironpython is .net too
Aug 08 05:17:40 <Templarian> c# 3.5 is a beautiful syntax.
Aug 08 05:17:48 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: i dont know any windows dev that says C# ever
Aug 08 05:17:54 <PuffTheMagic> cause they dont use open compilers
Aug 08 05:17:58 <PuffTheMagic> they use MS compilers
Aug 08 05:18:04 <PuffTheMagic> so they have .net anyway
Aug 08 05:18:12 <PuffTheMagic> and they refer to it as .net
Aug 08 05:18:40 <destinal> well that's like saying "PC" and meaning windows system.
Aug 08 05:18:42 <Templarian> Really, .net means to many things.
Aug 08 05:18:47 <egaudet> i had it backwards and so therefore you do too ultraBlack
Aug 08 05:18:52 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: thats how windows users are ;)
Aug 08 05:18:55 <ultraBlack> egaudet: oh, rite.
Aug 08 05:18:57 <egaudet> it's jar -cvf blah.tar org/web...
Aug 08 05:18:58 * PuffTheMagic hides
Aug 08 05:19:02 <egaudet> s/tar/jar
Aug 08 05:19:08 <ultraBlack> egaudet: shame on you
Aug 08 05:19:23 <Eguy> Hey destinal my pc version is Vista is that good?
Aug 08 05:19:23 <egaudet> lol forgive my sleepy mind :P
Aug 08 05:19:28 <egaudet> no
Aug 08 05:19:30 <Eguy> :P
Aug 08 05:19:32 <ultraBlack> I HAVE VISTA X64 ULTIMATE
Aug 08 05:19:39 <Eguy> fail
Aug 08 05:19:42 <egaudet> throw it out your window!
Aug 08 05:19:43 <egaudet> quick
Aug 08 05:19:52 <Templarian> Just upgrade to 7 like every other person.
Aug 08 05:19:53 <ultraBlack> but...but...my crysis and my 8gb ram
Aug 08 05:19:57 <Eguy> LOL
Aug 08 05:20:03 <Eguy> lol crysis
Aug 08 05:20:06 <ultraBlack> i'm playing it right now you know guys. taking breaks in between listening to you bitch is great fun for me
Aug 08 05:20:15 <Eguy> I am rocking windows 7 ultimate right now
Aug 08 05:20:17 <ultraBlack> because i have my games
Aug 08 05:20:20 <ultraBlack> i preordered
Aug 08 05:20:21 <Eguy> technet ftw
Aug 08 05:20:27 <Templarian> Everyone to #webos-watercooler now
Aug 08 05:20:28 <ultraBlack> $50 for pro
Aug 08 05:20:36 <ultraBlack> er, was it $100
Aug 08 05:20:46 <ultraBlack> who cares i gave my money to 'em
Aug 08 05:20:57 <destinal> ack invasion of watercooler mode
Aug 08 05:20:59 <ultraBlack> one license
Aug 08 05:21:32 <ultraBlack> BOOM HEADSHOT!
Aug 08 05:21:34 <Eguy> lol ty Templarian for the shout-out
Aug 08 05:21:42 <AgentSmith> lulllchannnel
Aug 08 05:22:21 <tlz> sup
Aug 08 05:22:26 * ultraBlack plays sophisticated music. Classical. Bach.
Aug 08 05:22:34 <AgentSmith> ha
Aug 08 05:23:04 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: sorry to say i was the only linux user
Aug 08 05:23:21 <PuffTheMagic> i dont really meet many people that dont use windows at all
Aug 08 05:23:31 <PuffTheMagic> most people still have a windows install for fallback
Aug 08 05:23:34 <PuffTheMagic> or games
Aug 08 05:23:42 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: there's always WINE
Aug 08 05:23:54 <Eguy> PuffTheMagic: Need windows for crysis
Aug 08 05:23:56 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: i have a ps3
Aug 08 05:24:00 <PuffTheMagic> i do my gaming on consoles
Aug 08 05:24:19 <tlz> destinal, what exactly is the org.webosinternals.ledservice?
Aug 08 05:24:29 <destinal> tlz: ask Puff, he wrote it :)
Aug 08 05:24:36 <tlz> puff!
Aug 08 05:24:41 <tlz> what is it! :)
Aug 08 05:24:44 <ultraBlack> console gaming for fpses?
Aug 08 05:24:47 <ultraBlack> get out
Aug 08 05:24:59 <ultraBlack> tlz: it makes LEDs dance
Aug 08 05:25:01 <PuffTheMagic> tlz: its a service to manipulate the led's on the pre
Aug 08 05:25:15 <PuffTheMagic> tlz: since palm didnt give us access to them
Aug 08 05:25:18 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: So you really would prefer joysticks for aiming
Aug 08 05:25:30 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: You lika the auto-aim
Aug 08 05:25:30 <tlz> heh cool, is it going to be used in conjunction with another program?
Aug 08 05:25:38 <PuffTheMagic> PuffTheMagic: i can use a mouse/keyboard on unreal for ps3
Aug 08 05:25:45 <PuffTheMagic> but i enjoy using gamempad too
Aug 08 05:25:54 <Eguy> eww ps3
Aug 08 05:25:59 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: true..
Aug 08 05:25:59 <PuffTheMagic> as long as i am not playing against people with a mouse/keybaord
Aug 08 05:26:00 * Eguy loves my 360
Aug 08 05:26:16 <PuffTheMagic> yes mouse/keyboard is easier
Aug 08 05:26:23 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: But PS3's don't really have upgradable GPUs or CPUs
Aug 08 05:26:33 <PuffTheMagic> so
Aug 08 05:26:35 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: Hence why the PC modding community thrives
Aug 08 05:26:38 <PuffTheMagic> no
Aug 08 05:26:43 <PuffTheMagic> thats not right
Aug 08 05:27:02 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: People like amazing next-gen graphics without having to wait for Nintendo to make a successor to the Wii.
Aug 08 05:27:19 <destinal> this is ALL watercooler conversation
Aug 08 05:27:22 <PuffTheMagic> PC people need to upgrade their hardware all the time cause developers need to write code that works on 1000 different hardware
Aug 08 05:27:26 <Eguy> yes it is
Aug 08 05:27:27 <PuffTheMagic> and most devs suclk
Aug 08 05:27:28 <ultraBlack> destinal: yep.
Aug 08 05:27:29 <PuffTheMagic> suck
Aug 08 05:27:30 <destinal> when there is no room in watercooler, the spam will walk the -internals
Aug 08 05:27:35 <PuffTheMagic> so their code is inefficient
Aug 08 05:27:36 <Eguy> lol
Aug 08 05:27:41 <PuffTheMagic> so that means u need to upgrade
Aug 08 05:27:48 <PuffTheMagic> since every ps3 has the same hardware
Aug 08 05:27:59 <PuffTheMagic> most console devs get better over time
Aug 08 05:28:03 <PuffTheMagic> and write better coed
Aug 08 05:28:06 <PuffTheMagic> code
Aug 08 05:28:10 <PuffTheMagic> and better games
Aug 08 05:28:18 <PuffTheMagic> and get more out of the system as time goes
Aug 08 05:28:23 <PuffTheMagic> so we dont need to upgrade
Aug 08 05:28:24 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: I can't stand the CoD graphics. I'm sorry I'm a sucker for Crytek
Aug 08 05:28:39 <Eguy> My rig ftw http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3637/3374378442_3f665c22e3_b.jpg :)
Aug 08 05:28:43 <destinal> we need an antidote.  someone talk about the internals of webos, or something.
Aug 08 05:28:43 <PuffTheMagic> i dont know what CoD an Crytek is
Aug 08 05:29:05 <Eguy> call of duty; crytek makes Far Cry and Crysis
Aug 08 05:29:10 * rwhitby bbl - kids bday party
Aug 08 05:29:19 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: webos internals is like a 16 year old girl, cant touch it
Aug 08 05:29:29 <PuffTheMagic> hows that
Aug 08 05:29:39 <Eguy> pretty accurate
Aug 08 05:30:23 <destinal> that opens up sooo many bad jokes, I have to refuse
Aug 08 05:30:30 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Aug 08 05:30:31 <ultraBlack> you LOSE! good day sir!
Aug 08 05:30:41 <Eguy> hahaha
Aug 08 05:31:03 <tlz> heh
Aug 08 05:31:25 <Eguy> ask and ye shall recieve tlz eh?
Aug 08 05:32:17 <AgentSmith> isn't this what watercooler is for?
Aug 08 05:32:20 <AgentSmith> just sayin
Aug 08 05:32:24 <Eguy> yes sir
Aug 08 05:32:31 <Eguy> I made it for this reason LOL
Aug 08 05:32:33 <AgentSmith> lolol
Aug 08 05:32:41 <AgentSmith> rwhitby isn't around to kick ass and chew bubblegum?
Aug 08 05:32:41 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: ps2 came was out for like 10-11 years before ps3 came out... and the devs came out with better and better games even after the ps3 came out
Aug 08 05:32:49 <PuffTheMagic> and that was cause the hw stayed the same
Aug 08 05:32:59 <PuffTheMagic> and all devs had to write code for 1 system
Aug 08 05:33:15 <destinal> seriously, people read the logs of this channel for halfway useful ramblings.   let's take the game talk to #webos-watercooler
Aug 08 05:33:17 <PuffTheMagic> u dont see that with PCs cause there are so many hw combinations
Aug 08 05:33:26 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Aug 08 05:33:42 <Eguy> rwhitby is away at his kids birthday party
Aug 08 05:33:47 <PuffTheMagic> offtopic is good
Aug 08 05:33:48 <Eguy> AS
Aug 08 05:33:59 <PuffTheMagic> we are all bored
Aug 08 05:34:07 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: u rater it be dead in here
Aug 08 05:34:11 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Aug 08 05:34:12 <AgentSmith> yeah, the devs prefer offtopic in watercooler because this channel is logged
Aug 08 05:34:27 <AgentSmith> and devs have to tear through molesting children when they're trying to review useful stuff
Aug 08 05:34:36 <destinal> AgentSmith: quote of the day, congrats
Aug 08 05:34:39 <PuffTheMagic> who reads logs anyway
Aug 08 05:34:45 <Eguy> yes that was pretty damn awesome
Aug 08 05:34:46 <PuffTheMagic> lots are nice cause u can googe them
Aug 08 05:34:48 <PuffTheMagic> thats about it
Aug 08 05:35:04 <AgentSmith> thx dest
Aug 08 05:35:07 <Eguy> I feel bad for the dev who read the logs cause there is a lot of crap on here sometimes lol
Aug 08 05:35:09 <ultraBlack> Aw, you got googe all over my logs!
Aug 08 05:35:38 <PuffTheMagic> s/lots/logs/
Aug 08 05:35:58 <ultraBlack> Lots of googe
Aug 08 05:36:05 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: everything that is usefull becomes code in a git repo
Aug 08 05:36:10 <Eguy> this is serious watercoooler stuff but oh well
Aug 08 05:36:16 <Eguy> Yes
Aug 08 05:36:19 <Eguy> git-r-done
Aug 08 05:36:21 <PuffTheMagic> the chan is for just this
Aug 08 05:36:42 <AgentSmith> it's ok eguy, puff isn't cool enough to go where the REAL Fun is
Aug 08 05:36:45 <PuffTheMagic> someone turn off the log ;)
Aug 08 05:36:57 <destinal> ~log
Aug 08 05:36:58 <PuffTheMagic> AgentSmith: i have +u on freenode
Aug 08 05:37:07 <PuffTheMagic> i can join unlimited channels
Aug 08 05:37:14 <PuffTheMagic> and i already am in 50+
Aug 08 05:37:18 <PuffTheMagic> well ~50
Aug 08 05:37:19 <Eguy> Why
Aug 08 05:37:21 <PuffTheMagic> i dont need another one
Aug 08 05:37:24 <AgentSmith> sounds like you hit a 50 channel limit puff
Aug 08 05:37:24 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: dear gods that's insane
Aug 08 05:37:30 <AgentSmith> gotta pay $300 to get 50 more
Aug 08 05:37:35 <AgentSmith> i have a paypal account you can deposit it in
Aug 08 05:37:42 <Eguy> me too
Aug 08 05:37:44 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: i participate in lots of projects
Aug 08 05:38:03 <Eguy> and you still have time for crappy webOS? :P
Aug 08 05:38:14 <Eguy> that was a joke btw
Aug 08 05:38:20 <Eguy> for the logs
Aug 08 05:38:22 <Eguy> :P
Aug 08 05:38:37 <ultraBlack> The almighty logs *bows to fallen trees*
Aug 08 05:38:53 <AgentSmith> i need to start monitoring the power logs on my pre and do some tests
Aug 08 05:38:54 <ultraBlack> fell trees
Aug 08 05:38:59 <AgentSmith> friends have been saying theirs have been dying in less than a day on 1.1
Aug 08 05:39:11 <AgentSmith> friend had his charged up to full at 7am, by 11am it was down to 25% full today
Aug 08 05:39:42 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: 6 gentoo channels, radeon, kde-devel, uclibc, bluez, git, ipw2100, olpc, sugar ....
Aug 08 05:39:56 <PuffTheMagic> im in an irc channel for everuthing i use almost ;)
Aug 08 05:40:03 <PuffTheMagic> buti contrbute to most
Aug 08 05:40:06 <PuffTheMagic> i just dont lurk
Aug 08 05:40:25 <AgentSmith> in fact the polar opposite of lurk
Aug 08 05:40:30 <AgentSmith> which i believe is "durk"
Aug 08 05:40:37 <PuffTheMagic> haha
Aug 08 05:40:37 <destinal> ok, so just for the fun of it, let's ltrace LunaSysMgr
Aug 08 05:40:52 <destinal> because I want to see just how fast I can scroll my terminal, fill up logs, etc
Aug 08 05:41:05 <tmzt> is the patch in the kernel?
Aug 08 05:41:13 * PuffTheMagic is gonna give you all some peice and quiet and go watch some tv before he passes out
Aug 08 05:41:18 <destinal> tmzt: which patch?
Aug 08 05:41:26 <tmzt> actually, ti might be worth it to get a n upstream kernel working
Aug 08 05:41:29 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: if u want to talk irc mojo tomorrow let me know
Aug 08 05:41:32 <ultraBlack> egaudet: inflated: org/webosinternals/optloopservice/OptLoopService.class but we're still getting ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Launch helper exited with unknown return code 0"}
Aug 08 05:41:38 <tmzt> ltrace
Aug 08 05:41:41 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: cool
Aug 08 05:41:42 <PuffTheMagic> tmzt: i have plans for that
Aug 08 05:41:52 <PuffTheMagic> tmzt: but palm is doing it already
Aug 08 05:41:58 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Just when you thought the problem was gone. Sorry it took so long for me to stop talking to PuffTheMagic to do that.
Aug 08 05:42:01 <PuffTheMagic> tmzt: so we may as well focus effors else where
Aug 08 05:42:24 <Eguy> My pre goes from 100-23% from 10am-7pm
Aug 08 05:42:32 <AgentSmith> eguy that sounds better
Aug 08 05:42:45 <AgentSmith> i gotta find out of he did something stupid, i have a feeling he has an SSH service running or something
Aug 08 05:42:50 <AgentSmith> but i'm not sure yet
Aug 08 05:43:44 <egaudet> lol
Aug 08 05:43:54 <egaudet> so you re-installed it, and rebooted
Aug 08 05:44:00 * PuffTheMagic gives the channels some champagne to drink in celebration of him going ot bed
Aug 08 05:44:05 <egaudet> and you are root
Aug 08 05:44:07 <destinal> tmzt: which kernel module is needed?
Aug 08 05:44:33 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Let me reinstall and reboot one more time to be sure
Aug 08 05:45:22 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: your service isnt working cause the cosmos knows knows loop on opt is a bad idea and it wont let u do it ;)
Aug 08 05:45:36 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: why wont u resize
Aug 08 05:45:52 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: because i've already spent like 2 weeks on this
Aug 08 05:46:03 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: why quit now
Aug 08 05:46:11 <PuffTheMagic> thats what u get for not comming on irc sooner
Aug 08 05:46:18 <Eguy> msg chanserv +God Eguy #webos-internals
Aug 08 05:46:22 <PuffTheMagic> irc is the uber source of everyting
Aug 08 05:46:24 <Eguy> :(
Aug 08 05:46:36 <egaudet> are you manually re-installing?
Aug 08 05:46:46 <ultraBlack> egaudet: With WinSCP
Aug 08 05:47:11 <PuffTheMagic> winscp... just install ubuntu in virtualnox
Aug 08 05:47:19 <egaudet> yeaaaa
Aug 08 05:47:23 <egaudet> dooo it
Aug 08 05:47:23 <PuffTheMagic> forget cygwin and putty and winscp
Aug 08 05:47:42 <PuffTheMagic> if u are gonna hack a linux box run a linux box ;)
Aug 08 05:47:55 <ultraBlack> I remind you all that I have Ubuntu 9.0.4 on my main drive as a partition of its own.
Aug 08 05:48:04 <destinal> tmzt: ltrace LunaSysMgr works on the emulator and wow does it generate output :)
Aug 08 05:48:12 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: i dont care unless its your only paritioin
Aug 08 05:48:22 <PuffTheMagic> if u have windows on any hd u fail
Aug 08 05:48:37 * PuffTheMagic runs from the beating of windows users
Aug 08 05:48:38 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: I have it on 5.
Aug 08 05:48:47 <PuffTheMagic> windows?
Aug 08 05:48:52 <PuffTheMagic> dear god
Aug 08 05:48:56 <Eguy> killall off-topic conversaion
Aug 08 05:49:02 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic: 3 Vista x64 Ultimate, 2 Windows XP SP3.
Aug 08 05:49:05 <Eguy> mv convertation webos-watercooler
Aug 08 05:49:18 <ultraBlack> 1 Ubuntu.
Aug 08 05:49:19 <Eguy> rm -rf off-topic
Aug 08 05:49:26 <egaudet> why are you using windows for this stuff?
Aug 08 05:49:27 <Eguy> reboot
Aug 08 05:49:29 <Eguy> exit
Aug 08 05:49:29 <egaudet> if you have ubuntu?
Aug 08 05:49:36 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: if there was anything on toplic total about we would :D
Aug 08 05:49:49 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: thats what i dont get
Aug 08 05:50:05 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: some of us are actually hacking on things, don't they have channels for badmouthing windows?  :)
Aug 08 05:50:13 <ultraBlack> PuffTheMagic, egaudet: Ubuntu doesn't have drivers for my gaming-grade mouse.
Aug 08 05:50:20 <Eguy> destinal: they are called Apple
Aug 08 05:50:29 <egaudet> '/join badmouth-windows
Aug 08 05:50:31 <ultraBlack> Apple has channels?
Aug 08 05:50:35 <PuffTheMagic> ultraBlack: there are no games in linux for your gaming mouse anyway
Aug 08 05:50:38 <ultraBlack> on freenode?
Aug 08 05:50:40 <Eguy> in your brain
Aug 08 05:50:50 <Eguy> Apple fanboys they are called
Aug 08 05:51:01 <Eguy> or to us normal human... mentally challenged
Aug 08 05:51:01 <ultraBlack> everyone has an inner apple fanboy
Aug 08 05:51:02 <egaudet> How do i stop the screen from dimming!
Aug 08 05:51:09 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: i cant resist,i am surrounded by windows users
Aug 08 05:51:20 <Eguy> Puff: I use linux ;)
Aug 08 05:51:22 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: it breaks my heart
Aug 08 05:51:40 <ultraBlack> egaudet: ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Launch helper exited with unknown return code 0"}
Aug 08 05:51:42 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: only linux?
Aug 08 05:51:50 <PuffTheMagic> id rather not play a game than run linux
Aug 08 05:51:50 <egaudet> flush your pre down the toilet
Aug 08 05:51:53 <destinal> egaudet: there's a wiki article on stopping sleep mode, I think that applies to dimming too
Aug 08 05:52:00 <PuffTheMagic> althought i do use wine for Civ 4
Aug 08 05:52:05 <Eguy> eww wine
Aug 08 05:52:10 <egaudet> the "change off after X" wiki?
Aug 08 05:52:12 <Eguy> No not only linuxx
Aug 08 05:52:16 <Eguy> linux*
Aug 08 05:52:23 <destinal> egaudet: that's the one
Aug 08 05:52:28 <Eguy> but I am exposed to linux all the time
Aug 08 05:52:31 <egaudet> i don't think it stops the dimm
Aug 08 05:52:36 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: wine is nice
Aug 08 05:52:37 <egaudet> because the dimm happens before the off
Aug 08 05:52:43 <Eguy> I am a network administrator
Aug 08 05:52:44 <PuffTheMagic> esp with winetricks
Aug 08 05:52:54 <PuffTheMagic> Civ4 runs smooth like butter
Aug 08 05:53:05 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: do you know regarding the dimming thing whether that article on change off after X applies?
Aug 08 05:53:06 <ultraBlack> Isn't Civ4 from 1994?
Aug 08 05:53:08 <PuffTheMagic> and that the only windows app i use/need
Aug 08 05:53:12 <destinal> sorry to actually talk about WEBOS
Aug 08 05:53:17 <AgentSmith> lol destinal
Aug 08 05:53:18 <AgentSmith> you're insane
Aug 08 05:53:21 <AgentSmith> why do that in a webos channel?
Aug 08 05:53:23 <AgentSmith> blasphemy
Aug 08 05:53:24 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: dimming?
Aug 08 05:53:26 <AgentSmith> hey guys lets talk about xbox
Aug 08 05:53:33 <Eguy> What is webos?
Aug 08 05:53:33 <AgentSmith> oh wait.
Aug 08 05:53:38 <ultraBlack> I have a dvd player
Aug 08 05:53:46 <ultraBlack> It plays dvds but not bluray
Aug 08 05:53:48 <Eguy> I have a jpod
Aug 08 05:53:51 * destinal slaps AgentSmith with a mackerel.
Aug 08 05:53:54 <egaudet> 2009-08-08T05:48:56.796844Z [28220] castle user.crit fileindexer[1244]: Failed to get path details: /media/internal/developer/_tmpdir_org.webosinternals.labyrinth_0.0.3_all.ipk/controlTmp
Aug 08 05:53:55 <Eguy> the next iPod
Aug 08 05:53:58 <ultraBlack> Are there any addons I can purchase to make it do what I want it to? and that is to play bluray
Aug 08 05:54:04 <egaudet> wtf does that mean
Aug 08 05:54:13 <Eguy> no, you can only plaay redray
Aug 08 05:54:23 <AgentSmith> hahahaah
Aug 08 05:54:25 <destinal> guys, seriously
Aug 08 05:54:27 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: i really have no attention span left i am too drunk
Aug 08 05:54:28 <AgentSmith> this poor poor channel
Aug 08 05:54:30 <AgentSmith> is being molested
Aug 08 05:54:33 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Aug 08 05:54:38 <PuffTheMagic> its 2 am here
Aug 08 05:54:42 <destinal> I can't talk to people about webos INTERNALS because you're chatting about blueray and ps3 and windows and civ4
Aug 08 05:54:51 <PuffTheMagic> nothing productive going on
Aug 08 05:54:52 <Eguy> what is civ4?
Aug 08 05:54:54 <AgentSmith> so puff go to #webos-watercooler - we're talking about tommybres' sexual fantasies right now
Aug 08 05:54:59 <Eguy> LOL
Aug 08 05:55:07 <PuffTheMagic> i am going to the couch
Aug 08 05:55:11 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: people are trying but you're scrolling the channel with crap
Aug 08 05:55:13 <egaudet> I want my app to stop dimming until it's over, but not to have to change the max shutoff after X time
Aug 08 05:55:17 <PuffTheMagic> and watching some tv
Aug 08 05:55:20 <PuffTheMagic> then passing out
Aug 08 05:55:38 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: lol, ok i will leave
Aug 08 05:55:56 <destinal> ok, so this dimming thing
Aug 08 05:56:42 <AgentSmith> is there a soft variable to change dimming?
Aug 08 05:56:59 <destinal> egaudet: are you plugged in to USB?
Aug 08 05:57:07 <Eguy> There has to be because that guy made the brightness app
Aug 08 05:57:09 <destinal> mine isn't dimming at all
Aug 08 05:57:29 <egaudet> yes
Aug 08 05:57:58 <ultraBlack> Maybe the Brightness Unlinked app uses a service to do its dirty work, kind of like what I need.
Aug 08 05:58:12 <Eguy> service you say?
Aug 08 05:58:15 <egaudet> I believe that brightness app, just splits up the brightness, but it uses a different portion of the service that i want
Aug 08 05:58:32 <egaudet> of course I dont know exactly what I'm talking about because none of the luna-send works properly to that stupid display service
Aug 08 05:58:38 <egaudet> except for the status
Aug 08 05:58:58 <ultraBlack> egaudet: OMG! luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/version {
Aug 08 05:58:58 <ultraBlack> } doesn't work for me either
Aug 08 05:59:13 <ultraBlack> Stupid freaking PuTTY splitting lines up
Aug 08 05:59:14 <egaudet> lol
Aug 08 05:59:24 <ultraBlack> +resize
Aug 08 05:59:32 <ultraBlack> luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/version {}
Aug 08 05:59:40 <ultraBlack> -clipboardmod
Aug 08 06:01:39 <ultraBlack> Ant time
Aug 08 06:01:46 <egaudet> lol
Aug 08 06:02:05 <tmzt> destinal: I assume emulator is not 2.6.24 then, but interesting
Aug 08 06:02:57 <destinal> Linux qemux86 2.6.26 #1 SMP Tue Jul 7 15:31:11 PDT 2009 i686 unknown
Aug 08 06:03:34 <destinal> yeah interesting, different version than the pre
Aug 08 06:04:01 <ultraBlack> The SDK's version is always newer than the released version.
Aug 08 06:04:27 <destinal> ultraBlack: even for the same version of the OS?
Aug 08 06:04:31 <tmzt> hid support for a mouse? doesn't host have to work first?
Aug 08 06:04:45 <destinal> tmzt: no, hidd is not what you think
Aug 08 06:04:52 <tmzt> I know that
Aug 08 06:05:01 <tmzt> it's not bluez
Aug 08 06:05:04 <tmzt> I mean usb hid
Aug 08 06:05:08 <destinal> it's not usb hid either
Aug 08 06:05:14 <tmzt> yes
Aug 08 06:05:17 <tmzt> that's in the kernel
Aug 08 06:05:27 <tmzt> I think I read the question wrong while reading the log
Aug 08 06:05:32 <tmzt> (from your highlight)
Aug 08 06:05:38 <tmzt> it was about ubuntu, not Pre
Aug 08 06:05:55 <Eguy> people read the log?
Aug 08 06:05:56 <destinal> what did I say?
Aug 08 06:06:06 <tmzt> not you, ultraBlack I think
Aug 08 06:06:10 <ultraBlack> Hmm...turns out I already had Ant installed from last time. How do I use it?
Aug 08 06:06:33 <ultraBlack> egaudet: I never wrote down that ant clean build jar thing you gave me.
Aug 08 06:06:43 <destinal> tmzt: so hidd reads ambient light sensor, proximity sensor, keyboard, touchscreen, accelerometer and all kinds of fun things, and it's a pluggable architecture
Aug 08 06:07:02 <destinal> .so libs to interface with the data sources
Aug 08 06:07:12 <egaudet> you just typed it
Aug 08 06:07:16 <tmzt> I know
Aug 08 06:07:35 <destinal> so we need to figure out how to make a plugin for it :)
Aug 08 06:08:49 <ultraBlack> egaudet: That's funny. The whole time I could have just done that.
Aug 08 06:09:06 <tmzt> won't nm tell you most of the api?
Aug 08 06:10:19 <egaudet> did i not tell you?
Aug 08 06:10:24 <egaudet> lol
Aug 08 06:10:26 <ultraBlack> egaudet: How do I enable verbosity?
Aug 08 06:10:27 <destinal> tmzt: apparently yes
Aug 08 06:10:32 <ultraBlack> The "BUILD FAILED"
Aug 08 06:10:38 <egaudet> should tell you why
Aug 08 06:10:49 <ultraBlack> Ah
Aug 08 06:10:51 <egaudet> did you copy the build.xml from one of our services and change the name inside of it?
Aug 08 06:11:00 <ultraBlack> The file's locked by windows. I need to close XChat I think
Aug 08 06:11:04 <egaudet> the <delete file= and <jar destfile=
Aug 08 06:11:10 <egaudet> say whowha
Aug 08 06:11:19 <ultraBlack> egaudet: It's a windows thing :)
Aug 08 06:11:22 <egaudet> lol
Aug 08 06:12:10 <ultraBlack> "BUILD SUCCESSFUL" ...it was locked from when I tried to send it to you.
Aug 08 06:12:22 <egaudet> oh ok
Aug 08 06:12:37 <ultraBlack> Iit couldn't clean up.
Aug 08 06:12:43 <ultraBlack> s/iit/it
Aug 08 06:12:54 <ultraBlack> How does that thing work? Do I need voice? *irc noob q.*
Aug 08 06:13:06 <ultraBlack> s/q./question
Aug 08 06:13:36 <ultraBlack> msg infobot
Aug 08 06:16:17 <egaudet> so you built
Aug 08 06:16:26 <egaudet> and it works magically
Aug 08 06:17:05 <ultraBlack> egaudet: I've yet to test.
Aug 08 06:17:25 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Pre takes a while to reboot, remember.
Aug 08 06:18:39 <ultraBlack> egaudet: No, same thing.
Aug 08 06:19:07 <ultraBlack> Destinal, have you looked at this?
Aug 08 06:19:48 <ultraBlack> http://webos.pastebin.com/m1933cc3f
Aug 08 06:20:10 <destinal> ultraBlack: to make the bot sed things, do something like this
Aug 08 06:20:13 <destinal> s/this/that/
Aug 08 06:20:13 <infobot> destinal meant: ultraBlack: to make the bot sed things, do something like that
Aug 08 06:21:08 <destinal> ultraBlack: the service rwhitby did?  I haven't but I think I understand how it's supposed to work
Aug 08 06:21:34 <destinal> it's similar in design to any basic java webos service
Aug 08 06:21:37 <ultraBlack> destinal: The only problem is that it doesn't. Not with luna-send, anyway.
Aug 08 06:21:56 <destinal> do you have /opt in your fstab?
Aug 08 06:22:15 <ultraBlack> Oh yes, however, it's a virtual file system, mounted on loopbackk.
Aug 08 06:22:22 <ultraBlack> s/loopbackk/loopback
Aug 08 06:22:27 <ultraBlack> s/loopbackk/loopback/
Aug 08 06:22:27 <infobot> ultraBlack meant: s/loopback/loopback
Aug 08 06:22:29 <ultraBlack> I see.
Aug 08 06:23:49 <destinal> does /bin/mount /opt    and /bin/umount /opt    do the right thing at the command line?
Aug 08 06:23:53 <destinal> if not, the service won't either
Aug 08 06:24:35 <ultraBlack> It won't even return the right error message?
Aug 08 06:24:51 <ultraBlack> /bin/mount /opt should say "mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /opt failed: Device or resource busy"
Aug 08 06:25:03 <ultraBlack> /bin/umount /opt should say "umount: cannot umount /opt: Device or resource busy"
Aug 08 06:25:11 <ultraBlack> In the case that the vfs is mounted
Aug 08 06:25:12 <destinal> well, not the way the code works
Aug 08 06:25:15 <tmzt> there's a syntax for loop in fstab rigth?
Aug 08 06:25:32 <destinal> in the service, I think he's just taking the numeric return code
Aug 08 06:25:36 <tmzt> lsof |grep /opt should tell you why it's busy
Aug 08 06:25:37 <ultraBlack> destinal: Can you explain why luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/version {
Aug 08 06:25:37 <ultraBlack> }
Aug 08 06:25:46 <ultraBlack> luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/version {}
Aug 08 06:25:56 <ultraBlack> yields only the same error message as the other methods?
Aug 08 06:26:08 <ultraBlack> I Know Why it's busy
Aug 08 06:26:16 <ultraBlack> SSH.
Aug 08 06:26:27 <ultraBlack> Not worried about that right now. Worried about making my service work.
Aug 08 06:26:31 <destinal> ultraBlack: I don't know, I'd have to download and install the service to figure out what's up with the message passing
Aug 08 06:27:06 <ultraBlack> destinal: ...would you mind?
Aug 08 06:28:24 <ultraBlack> http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/trees/master/org.webosinternals.optloopservice
Aug 08 06:28:55 <ultraBlack> But that's rwhitby's skeleton. The problem COULD be in the version I have now, but I didn't change much and it compiles fine, so I don't think it's that. All I really did was add a method to test with.
Aug 08 06:29:05 <destinal> never actually installed a 3rd party service
Aug 08 06:29:07 <ultraBlack> version()
Aug 08 06:29:34 <ultraBlack> destinal: Oh....
Aug 08 06:29:49 <destinal> plugins I've worked a lot with, services not so much
Aug 08 06:30:13 <destinal> what's the proper way to install one manually?
Aug 08 06:30:32 <ultraBlack> This is what I was told:
Aug 08 06:30:40 <ultraBlack> <egaudet> the .jar goes in /usr/lib/luna/java/
Aug 08 06:30:40 <ultraBlack> <egaudet> the .service goes in /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/
Aug 08 06:30:40 <ultraBlack> /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://your.service.name/method {parameters}
Aug 08 06:31:07 <ultraBlack> You have to reboot before you do that luna-send, though.
Aug 08 06:31:56 <egaudet> si
Aug 08 06:32:04 <ultraBlack> So in my case it would be /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.optloopservice/mount {} for mounting
Aug 08 06:32:22 <egaudet> is that git what you are working with?
Aug 08 06:32:30 <ultraBlack> Yup. :D
Aug 08 06:32:39 <egaudet> ok i debug now
Aug 08 06:32:44 <ultraBlack> Hehe.
Aug 08 06:37:57 <egaudet> what is $ReturnResult.class
Aug 08 06:39:44 <egaudet> ok well the git works for me (no version method)
Aug 08 06:39:52 <egaudet> root@castle:/var/home/root# /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.op
Aug 08 06:39:52 <egaudet> tloopservice/version {}
Aug 08 06:39:52 <egaudet> ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"errorCode":"ErrorGenericUnknownMethod", "errorText":"Unknown Method"}
Aug 08 06:41:04 <egaudet> root@castle:/var/home/root# /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.op
Aug 08 06:41:04 <egaudet> tloopservice/mount {}
Aug 08 06:41:04 <egaudet> ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"return":0}
Aug 08 06:41:58 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Do you have SSH on your Pre?
Aug 08 06:42:04 <egaudet> yea
Aug 08 06:42:40 <ultraBlack> But you don't have /opt on loopback.
Aug 08 06:49:00 <ultraBlack> egaudet: That makes no sense. Why would it let you mount when you have nothing /to/ mount?
Aug 08 06:51:33 <egaudet> i don't know what it's doing, i just ran it
Aug 08 06:52:04 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Smart. =P
Aug 08 06:52:15 <egaudet> heh
Aug 08 06:52:35 <egaudet> so if it doesn't work for you... blame windows
Aug 08 06:53:44 <egaudet> lol, so you take that from the git clone and it doesn't work for you
Aug 08 06:54:00 <egaudet> do a sanity check ls -l /var/lib/luna/java/
Aug 08 06:54:06 <egaudet> errr
Aug 08 06:54:10 <egaudet> ls -l /usr/lib/luna/java
Aug 08 06:54:10 <ultraBlack> No gimme a sec. I'm going to.
Aug 08 06:54:15 <egaudet> ls -l /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services
Aug 08 06:55:27 <ultraBlack> And hey, it's there. I'm using WinSCP I CAN SEE IT! :P
Aug 08 06:57:48 <destinal> ultraBlack: you don't need an /opt on loopback for it to work, most of us have /opt in fstab as a bind mount
Aug 08 06:58:00 <destinal> which this would work just fine to mount / unmount it
Aug 08 06:58:06 <ultraBlack> destinal: That is true.
Aug 08 07:00:05 <ultraBlack> Now git isn't working for me.
Aug 08 07:00:12 <ultraBlack> I do blame Windows
Aug 08 07:00:25 <ultraBlack> Receiving objects:  21% (459/2146), 603.99 KiB | 190 KiB/s
Aug 08 07:00:35 <egaudet> lol
Aug 08 07:00:41 <ultraBlack> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedlyiB | 7 KiB/s
Aug 08 07:00:41 <ultraBlack> fatal: early EOF
Aug 08 07:00:41 <ultraBlack> fatal: index-pack failed
Aug 08 07:01:00 <egaudet> I'm gonna give up on this screen control
Aug 08 07:01:20 <egaudet> they have it locked somehow that I cant figure out right now
Aug 08 07:01:35 <egaudet> I tried to mimic the camera app's service call to no avail
Aug 08 07:07:58 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Did you move the OptLoopService.java before you built with Ant?
Aug 08 07:09:25 <egaudet> no
Aug 08 07:09:37 <egaudet> i did a git pull, and then ant clean build jar
Aug 08 07:19:16 <ultraBlack> Now we're making progress. A real error message: ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"errorCode": "ErrorGenericMethodException", "errorText": "You fail!"}
Aug 08 07:19:21 <ultraBlack> That looks like it worked.
Aug 08 07:20:21 <ultraBlack> egaudet: See above. Thank you for being patient and being in general just a real cool dude. If you are a dude; I never asked your gender. Anyway, off to bed for me. Good night to you my love.. <3 :o Friggin' amazing thanks again
Aug 08 07:35:47 <destinal> uh.. wow
Aug 08 07:36:04 <Eguy> lol
Aug 08 07:36:09 <Eguy> yes
Aug 08 07:36:13 <Eguy> weird indeed
Aug 08 07:36:32 <destinal> also as a random aside, there's probably a better error message to return than "You fail!"
Aug 08 07:36:37 <destinal> just a hunch
Aug 08 07:37:04 <button> eh, it got the point across
Aug 08 07:37:23 <Eguy> He isn't here anymore destinal
Aug 08 07:37:26 <destinal> yeah but when the actual error the service calls could be returned, that's even better
Aug 08 07:37:47 <destinal> Eguy: wasn't talking to him as he didn't write the service
Aug 08 07:37:55 <Eguy> ah
Aug 08 07:45:35 <egaudet> yea display/control hates me!
Aug 08 07:47:07 <ultraBlack> egaudet: Just to clarify, it works. It works beautifully. I don't know why.
Aug 08 07:47:55 <egaudet> cool...
Aug 08 07:48:19 <egaudet> Awesome at least someone got something working tonight
Aug 08 07:52:18 <CIA-29> Destinal wiki * r4056 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Hidd - created new page for the beginnings of some research into the hidd human interface device daemon
Aug 08 07:58:06 <egaudet> WOW PALM
Aug 08 07:58:08 <egaudet> just f'ing WOW
Aug 08 07:58:18 <edektor> egaudet: huh?
Aug 08 07:58:30 <egaudet> You cannot use their display services unless your app id starts with com.palm.app
Aug 08 07:59:02 <edektor> yeah there are tons of services I have come across that I can use
Aug 08 07:59:43 <egaudet> can or can't?
Aug 08 07:59:46 <egaudet> like what
Aug 08 07:59:53 <edektor> sorry cant
Aug 08 08:00:07 <edektor> like services for access the mediaDB
Aug 08 08:00:33 <egaudet> name your app com.palm.app
Aug 08 08:00:45 <egaudet> com.palm.app.trickedya
Aug 08 08:00:45 <edektor> I know..
Aug 08 08:00:57 <egaudet> is this documented somewhere?
Aug 08 08:01:14 <edektor> no those services arenet documented
Aug 08 08:01:51 <edektor> but I dont think palm will let you submit to them if your id is com.palm
Aug 08 08:01:51 <egaudet> I mean within webos-internals, has it been documented that the name of the app must begin with com.palm.whatever
Aug 08 08:02:01 <egaudet> that's fine, this is homebrew love right now
Aug 08 08:02:25 <edektor> oh I dont know.. You'd have to ask them. I havent been here for a while
Aug 08 08:07:10 <egaudet> you knew the name restriction already?
Aug 08 08:13:34 <edektor> No i didnt know about the name restriction.. But i knew there was something blocking the service
Aug 08 08:19:26 <rwhitby> edektor: what we do is call it com.palm.org.webosinternals.foo
Aug 08 08:19:38 <egaudet> wahoooooo
Aug 08 08:19:44 <egaudet> we knew about this restriction rwhitby ?
Aug 08 08:19:48 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 08 08:20:00 <egaudet> son of a ****
Aug 08 08:20:17 <Eguy> ah rwhitby is back
Aug 08 08:20:18 <rwhitby> I'm sure it's in the IRC logs somewhere, amongst all the off-topic stuff like everyone was talking about earlier ...
Aug 08 08:20:20 <egaudet> i been bashing my head off a wall today trying to figure out why the heck i couldn't use the display service
Aug 08 08:20:21 <egaudet> lol
Aug 08 08:20:30 <Eguy> how was the party?
Aug 08 08:20:51 <rwhitby> Eguy: great - I dropped my son off, and then did some gadget shopping for myslef.
Aug 08 08:20:58 <AgentSmith> sounds fun
Aug 08 08:22:01 <Eguy> lol yeah
Aug 08 08:22:10 <Eguy> you missed some major offtopic chat in here
Aug 08 08:22:20 <rwhitby> I just read it in the logs ...
Aug 08 08:22:23 <Eguy> Get anything good?
Aug 08 08:22:52 <rwhitby> got a flexible car adapter thingo for my ipod for $1
Aug 08 08:23:28 <rwhitby> I'll have to hack the holder, cause it's got the offset plug and I've got a 3g nano with the central plug
Aug 08 08:23:35 <Eguy> haha
Aug 08 08:23:55 <rwhitby> but all the electronics should be fine, and the flexible thing on a car plug is handy in it's own right.
Aug 08 08:24:42 <rwhitby> was looking at the SMC skype phone, but I need to see whether the firmware can be hacked to do normal SIP before laying down the cash for it.
Aug 08 08:24:52 <Eguy> Very discriptive there haha
Aug 08 08:25:38 <egaudet> whats the command to get the filename from a path, opposite of dirname
Aug 08 08:26:22 <egaudet> ahh basename
Aug 08 08:26:28 <rwhitby> yeah, I thought I'd remembered correctly: http://spritesmods.com/?art=wskpsip&f=had - I should have bought the thing.
Aug 08 08:27:35 <Eguy> I just use my webcam mic for skype :P
Aug 08 08:28:13 <rwhitby> oh, I want a cheap wifi SIP phone, not a skype phone.
Aug 08 08:29:25 <Eguy> ah
Aug 08 08:29:29 <Eguy> my mistake
Aug 08 08:32:18 <examancer> anyone know how to copy and paste in the emulator or know if you even can?
Aug 08 08:32:48 <Eguy> put one finger on your computer screen and hit c
Aug 08 08:33:01 <Eguy> and v
Aug 08 08:33:48 <examancer> heh
Aug 08 08:33:52 <examancer> funny
Aug 08 08:34:03 <Eguy> :)
Aug 08 08:34:12 <Eguy> Seriously though, I don't think you can
Aug 08 08:34:17 <examancer> damn
Aug 08 08:34:19 <examancer> oh well
Aug 08 08:37:01 <newman314> ello?
Aug 08 08:37:04 <Eguy> unless it is in the documentation and I missed it
Aug 08 08:38:42 <examancer> i went and tried to hold a left click on the emulator window just in case you were joking
Aug 08 08:38:54 <examancer> wasn't quite gullable enough to actually put my finger on the screen though
Aug 08 08:38:59 <Eguy> hahahahaha
Aug 08 08:39:30 <destinal> rwhitby: yeah I remember that re sip on the skype phone, I think you had to cut some small bits out but it worked fine
Aug 08 08:39:47 <destinal> rwhitby: before too long you can have SIP on your pre, so don't sweat it  :)
Aug 08 08:39:49 <egaudet> com.palm.org.webos...
Aug 08 08:40:43 <Eguy> The Pre will be unbelievable in 1 year
Aug 08 08:40:54 <Eguy> it will run crysis
Aug 08 08:41:13 <destinal> Eguy: lol
Aug 08 08:41:23 <Eguy> :)
Aug 08 08:41:39 <bhuey> it's already a pretty amazing platform without the apps
Aug 08 08:42:16 <Eguy> yeah
Aug 08 08:42:23 <Eguy> A little slow though
Aug 08 08:42:35 <Eguy> well slow for us impatient folk
Aug 08 08:42:41 <destinal> Eguy: if anything drives me off of luna it'll be the chugging
Aug 08 08:44:22 <Eguy> crysis really is amazing though if you have a card that can run it in max
Aug 08 09:11:04 <newman314> I cant believe I only just got around to installing filecoaster
Aug 08 09:44:48 <FreeTim3> havent tried it - is it cool ?
Aug 08 10:57:09 <CIA-29> rwhitby * r10542 optware/trunk/ (Makefile make/quilt.mk sources/quilt/quilt-lite.patch) - quilt-lite: Created a version of quilt which does not depend on perl.
Aug 08 11:17:37 <lunareclipse> morning guys
Aug 08 11:19:24 <czarphanguye> lunareclipse: gm
Aug 08 11:19:43 <rwhitby> morning
Aug 08 11:23:43 <rboatright_home> good morning all
Aug 08 11:23:47 <rboatright_home> off to pdc Kansas City
Aug 08 11:23:53 * rboatright_home poof
Aug 08 11:27:32 <lunareclipse>      goodness, i hope today is not busy
Aug 08 11:36:13 <gkatsev> rwhitby: isnt it more like goodnight for you?
Aug 08 11:37:28 <rwhitby> ~ugt
Aug 08 11:37:29 <infobot> it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Aug 08 11:37:52 <gkatsev> heh
Aug 08 11:38:44 <gkatsev> i dont want my ass laminated, its waterproof as it is
Aug 08 11:40:59 <gkatsev> well, time to get ready, boston PDC is in an hour and a half
Aug 08 11:50:00 <jcrawford> morning guys
Aug 08 11:50:15 <jcrawford> gkatsev: you are going now? I thought you weren't
Aug 08 11:50:21 <jcrawford> i will be there around 11-11:30
Aug 08 11:50:28 <jcrawford> have to take the T and wait for the sitter at 10 :)
Aug 08 12:02:41 <rwhitby> gkatsev: boston pdc starts in 1.5 hours?
Aug 08 12:23:43 <jcrawford> why would i get this guys?
Aug 08 12:23:46 <jcrawford> http://pastie.org/576522
Aug 08 12:25:52 <tmzt> your fs is read only or full
Aug 08 12:25:57 <tmzt> is usually the cause
Aug 08 12:26:05 <jcrawford> hmm
Aug 08 12:26:21 <jcrawford> 55gb free
Aug 08 12:26:46 <jcrawford> not read only
Aug 08 12:26:47 <jcrawford> drwxr-xr-x   26 jcrawford  staff   884B Aug  8 08:23 Speed Download
Aug 08 12:27:35 <tmzt> spaces?
Aug 08 12:27:48 <tmzt> I guess you could strace it
Aug 08 12:27:53 <jcrawford> nope
Aug 08 12:27:56 <tmzt> but we know what the error is, just not the cause
Aug 08 12:28:01 <jcrawford> how do i strace it?
Aug 08 12:36:43 <rwhitby> jcrawford: is that on a Mac?
Aug 08 12:37:20 <rwhitby> for some reason, then native 'ar' on a Mac does not unpack ipkg files correctly.
Aug 08 12:38:33 <jcrawford> rwhitby: yes i am on a mac
Aug 08 12:38:34 <jcrawford> damn
Aug 08 12:38:37 <jcrawford> ok so hmm
Aug 08 12:38:40 <PuffTheMagic> morning
Aug 08 12:38:45 <jcrawford> morning PuffTheMagic
Aug 08 12:39:06 <rwhitby> jcrawford: I use a Ubuntu 8.04 server install inside VirtualBox to do all my packaging work
Aug 08 12:39:54 <jcrawford> hmm i might have to do the same
Aug 08 12:40:00 <jcrawford> not sure how to add an OS to virtualbox though lol
Aug 08 12:40:29 <rwhitby> jcrawford: create a new virtual machine, attach the ubuntu server iso to it, and do a normal ubuntu install
Aug 08 12:40:43 <jcrawford> will do now
Aug 08 12:41:11 <jcrawford> do i need server or will desktop do?
Aug 08 12:41:16 <jcrawford> not sure of the differences
Aug 08 12:42:25 <tmzt> server is smaller
Aug 08 12:42:31 <jcrawford> ok
Aug 08 12:42:34 <tmzt> as you don't get X, but you don't need it
Aug 08 12:43:02 <jcrawford> ah
Aug 08 12:43:08 <jcrawford> i may want x lol
Aug 08 12:43:09 <jcrawford> eventually
Aug 08 12:43:17 <jcrawford> but guessing i can install that through the package manager
Aug 08 12:43:21 <PuffTheMagic> server is just smaller to start
Aug 08 12:43:27 <PuffTheMagic> but can add repos
Aug 08 12:43:31 <PuffTheMagic> and end up with the same setup
Aug 08 12:53:50 <jcrawford> rwhitby: can you drag & drop files from virtualbox installs?
Aug 08 12:54:52 <rwhitby> I just nfs mount a spare case-sensitive drive from the mac onto the ubuntu virtual machine
Aug 08 12:55:02 <rwhitby> s/spare/sparse/
Aug 08 12:55:03 <infobot> rwhitby meant: I just nfs mount a sparse case-sensitive drive from the mac onto the ubuntu virtual machine
Aug 08 12:56:03 <jcrawford> not sure how to do all that lol
Aug 08 12:59:10 <PuffTheMagic> virtualbox has a feature built in
Aug 08 12:59:22 <PuffTheMagic> to map a local folder into virtuabox
Aug 08 12:59:31 <PuffTheMagic> so u can use that to move files back and forth
Aug 08 12:59:42 <PuffTheMagic> you dont need to worry about samba or anything
Aug 08 13:00:27 <jcrawford> cool
Aug 08 13:06:43 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: unfortunately, vboxsf does not support symlinks
Aug 08 13:06:49 <rwhitby> so I use nfs instead
Aug 08 13:09:11 <PuffTheMagic> i've never have done anything special like that over vbox
Aug 08 13:09:14 <rwhitby> quilt-lite seems to be working fine for importing, applying, refreshing, and removing patches.
Aug 08 13:09:16 <PuffTheMagic> usually just quick small things
Aug 08 13:13:15 <PuffTheMagic> do you guys have an icon for the app catalog
Aug 08 13:14:41 <rwhitby> for the preware app?  not that I know of.
Aug 08 13:22:56 <jcrawford> hah i will just use DropBox, very slick if you don't already have it, it is worth having, free 2gb: https://www.getdropbox.com/referrals/NTgyNjY0NDk
Aug 08 13:23:20 <jcrawford> if you do signup please use that link as I will get added storage free :) so will you
Aug 08 13:24:00 <rwhitby> vbox shared folders will do everything that does for you, quicker and with less internet traffic.
Aug 08 13:24:23 <jcrawford> yes true... but it's nice to have installed at the office/home/laptop :)
Aug 08 13:24:31 <jcrawford> can access the files anywhere
Aug 08 13:26:41 <jcrawford> how do i make my default view on ubuntu be the list view and not icon view in the file browser?>
Aug 08 13:27:00 * rwhitby doesn't use Linux GUIs, so has no idea.
Aug 08 13:27:10 <jcrawford> lol
Aug 08 13:27:12 <jcrawford> uber geek :D
Aug 08 13:27:33 <jcrawford> aight i have to get ready to head to PDC Boston, see everyone later
Aug 08 13:27:36 <rwhitby> my interface to most Linux machines I own is an ssh window.
Aug 08 13:27:59 <jcrawford> :D
Aug 08 13:28:10 <rwhitby> usually running emacs inside it ;-)
Aug 08 13:29:10 <jcrawford> shower bbl
Aug 08 13:40:57 <gkatsev> jcrawford: yeah, im going. and there
Aug 08 14:07:03 <FreeTim3> what is precamp
Aug 08 14:07:19 <FreeTim3> Greetings - from PalmPrecamp - Boston :)
Aug 08 15:15:32 <meshuga> who's going to predevcamp?
Aug 08 15:16:41 <rwhitby> meshuga: it's on now in #predevcamp
Aug 08 15:24:34 * rwhitby has worked out why the git package is so big
Aug 08 15:24:58 <rwhitby> hardlinks in the build don't turn out as hardlinks in the ipkg, so the same executable is duplicated many times
Aug 08 15:26:14 <bpadalino> good sleuthing
Aug 08 15:38:24 <meshuga> oh ok
Aug 08 15:59:00 <PuffTheMagic> hmmm
Aug 08 15:59:09 <PuffTheMagic> my service isnt working that well though mojo
Aug 08 15:59:10 <PuffTheMagic> wtf
Aug 08 16:07:23 <tlz> somebody stole ur mojo!
Aug 08 16:11:43 <CIA-29> rwhitby * r10543 optware/trunk/sources/git/Makefile.patch - git: do symlinks cause hardlinks don't travel well in ipkgs
Aug 08 16:13:26 <CIA-29> rwhitby * r10544 optware/trunk/ (Makefile make/quilt.mk) - quilt: fold quilt-lite back into quilt makefile
Aug 08 16:14:15 <CIA-29> rwhitby * r10545 optware/trunk/make/git.mk - git: create git-lite package
Aug 08 16:18:16 <branded> good morning fellas... anyone ever compile an optware package?
Aug 08 16:18:24 <branded> found this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware
Aug 08 16:18:31 <branded> would like to port a vpn client :D
Aug 08 16:18:39 <rwhitby> branded: compiling a couple right now in fact
Aug 08 16:18:42 <branded> should be extremely difficult
Aug 08 16:18:48 <branded> cool, is that a good guide?
Aug 08 16:18:54 <rwhitby> yep, that's the guide.
Aug 08 16:18:59 <branded> i have little idea what i'm doing, but I can try
Aug 08 16:19:02 <branded> cool, i'll take a look
Aug 08 16:19:04 <rwhitby> branded: which vpn client?
Aug 08 16:19:08 <branded> fortigate
Aug 08 16:19:10 <branded> ssl
Aug 08 16:19:23 <rwhitby> source url?
Aug 08 16:19:32 <branded> oh... oh yea
Aug 08 16:19:42 <branded> :'(
Aug 08 16:20:02 <rwhitby> armel binaries anywhere?
Aug 08 16:20:09 <branded> yea!
Aug 08 16:20:14 <branded> i wonder if they're violating GPL anyway
Aug 08 16:20:17 <branded> let's see...
Aug 08 16:24:59 <branded> http://www.divshare.com/download/8127843-415
Aug 08 16:26:44 <branded> Any hope on a remote desktop client?
Aug 08 16:28:00 <PuffTheMagic> how do i get all the keys of a json object in javascript?
Aug 08 16:30:20 <CIA-29> bzhou * r10546 optware/trunk/make/imagemagick.mk - imagemagick: 6.5.2-4 -> 6.5.4-9
Aug 08 16:30:24 <rwhitby> branded: is that an x86 binary?
Aug 08 16:30:51 <branded> i would guess, yes it is
Aug 08 16:31:04 <branded> :/
Aug 08 16:31:36 <branded> oh arm
Aug 08 16:31:38 <branded> right
Aug 08 16:31:41 <branded> damn
Aug 08 16:31:48 <rwhitby> gonna need armel binaries (e.g. for an n800)  for any remote chance at it working.
Aug 08 16:32:38 <branded> right right
Aug 08 16:32:54 <branded> humm... what kind of interoperability do ssl vpns usually have?
Aug 08 16:32:56 <branded> none, right?
Aug 08 16:33:10 <rwhitby> dunno, I usually use openvpn
Aug 08 16:34:10 <branded> ahh... the server is the native fortigate
Aug 08 16:34:21 <branded> oh well... i'll look in that direction a little bit more
Aug 08 16:41:39 <branded> rwhitby: i'm curious if the linux client is actually java... and if so, can it be run on webos?  does it have enough power?
Aug 08 16:41:55 <rwhitby> branded: dunno
Aug 08 16:42:10 <branded> humm... okay
Aug 08 16:42:14 <branded> just throwing stuff out there
Aug 08 16:42:32 <destinal-zzzz> branded: oh, an SSL VPN?
Aug 08 16:43:03 <destinal> branded: I know that someone has made an f5 vpn client work, which I think is an ssl vpn concentrator
Aug 08 16:43:24 <branded> wow cool
Aug 08 16:43:51 <branded> yea... i mean, there's an ipsec tunnel configured also, but I'd rather use sslvpn
Aug 08 16:44:13 <destinal> branded: cvpn, openvpn, and a few others are known to work
Aug 08 16:44:14 <branded> there's definitely an ipsec vpn client that runs on arm, right?
Aug 08 16:44:20 <branded> cool cool
Aug 08 16:44:40 <branded> for now, i'll drag around my netbook and use my tether :)
Aug 08 16:45:00 <branded> need a remote desktop client to do much of anything anyway (because we're windows)
Aug 08 16:45:18 <branded> looks like fortigate does have a java client
Aug 08 16:45:20 <destinal> branded: rdp and vnc are on my list, but it's a big list
Aug 08 16:45:39 <branded> cool man!
Aug 08 16:45:45 <destinal> and we don't have easy porting of graphical stuff yet, we need an adapter framework
Aug 08 16:46:16 <destinal> or I guess some way to switch the display between luna and other programs
Aug 08 16:46:39 <destinal> but I figure it should be possible to use a browser plugin to communicate with slightly modified directfb programs
Aug 08 16:50:42 <branded> that's a bit over my head, but i think i understand what you're saying :)
Aug 08 16:51:05 <branded> luna is the "gui" platform?
Aug 08 16:51:56 <branded> destinal: is there a jre for arm? :D
Aug 08 16:52:17 <destinal> branded: the pre already runs java code, most of the system services are java
Aug 08 16:52:27 <branded> oh wow
Aug 08 16:52:38 <branded> so, i could try to load the java ssl vpn client?
Aug 08 17:00:06 <destinal> branded: absolutely
Aug 08 17:00:40 <branded> humm... is there support for java applets in the web browser?
Aug 08 17:00:42 <destinal> the only issue is it could be an applet instead of an application
Aug 08 17:00:49 <destinal> no applet support
Aug 08 17:00:53 <branded> :(
Aug 08 17:01:01 <branded> because fortigate has an applet for rdp
Aug 08 17:01:06 <branded> hah
Aug 08 17:01:10 <branded> well, there goes that
Aug 08 17:01:24 <branded> humm... no applet support anywhere?
Aug 08 17:01:35 <destinal> no, you might be able to write a wrapper and fake it
Aug 08 17:01:42 <destinal> you won't get GUI support though
Aug 08 17:01:52 <branded> so applets need the browser?
Aug 08 17:02:09 <destinal> branded: right, and the browser in luna doesn't have java support
Aug 08 17:02:09 <branded> (sorry for my lack of knowledge)
Aug 08 17:02:17 <branded> i see i see
Aug 08 17:02:18 <branded> too bad
Aug 08 17:02:22 <destinal> tall the java application stuff is done on the linux system
Aug 08 17:02:30 <destinal> s/tal/al/
Aug 08 17:02:30 <infobot> destinal meant: all the java application stuff is done on the linux system
Aug 08 17:02:48 <destinal> but you could write a service that calls functions of the applet
Aug 08 17:02:59 <destinal> if it can do network level stuff as opposed to just browser
Aug 08 17:03:36 <branded> so i could establish the connection, then use something like ssh or telnet to access the systems i want to access
Aug 08 17:03:44 <branded> but obviously no remote desktop gui
Aug 08 17:03:46 <branded> ?
Aug 08 17:03:52 <destinal> that is if it has linux support for creating a tunnel
Aug 08 17:03:58 <destinal> as opposed to only working through the browser
Aug 08 17:04:37 <destinal> when you connect on a regular linux box can you access the remote network from the command line?
Aug 08 17:08:16 <branded> destinal: sorry for the delayed re... never connected with a linux box :)
Aug 08 17:08:28 <branded> i'll check it out... i don't even think i have a vm
Aug 08 17:08:34 <branded> humm... i'll check that out
Aug 08 17:08:56 <branded> what's the lightest live CD?
Aug 08 17:09:02 <branded> or a really light vm
Aug 08 17:09:13 <branded> ...image that you can recommend?
Aug 08 17:16:05 <destinal> hmm, the ubuntu install cd works as a livecd too
Aug 08 17:16:15 <destinal> it's not light though
Aug 08 17:16:48 <destinal> for light, try damn small linux I guess, hopefully it has enough stuff to get your vpn going
Aug 08 17:17:31 <destinal> if not,  the ubuntu cd isn't that big a download, are you concerned about download time or space requirements or cpu / memory or..
Aug 08 17:22:08 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: gentoo livecd is nice and small
Aug 08 17:22:10 <PuffTheMagic> or
Aug 08 17:22:14 <PuffTheMagic> use sysrescucd
Aug 08 17:22:19 <PuffTheMagic> that is beautiful
Aug 08 17:22:26 <PuffTheMagic> i use that to install gentoo sometimes
Aug 08 17:22:32 <PuffTheMagic> its based on a gentoo livecd
Aug 08 17:22:35 <PuffTheMagic> buts updated more often
Aug 08 17:22:57 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
Aug 08 17:23:19 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: I think he needs an X11 gui, java jre and ability to install like firefox or something
Aug 08 17:23:50 <PuffTheMagic> does that that have to do with a livecd
Aug 08 17:23:55 <PuffTheMagic> and why does a livecd have to be light
Aug 08 17:24:07 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: yeah his livecd needs to have one or he needs to install in a VM for instance
Aug 08 17:24:18 <destinal> he wanted to test SSL vpn stuff in linux
Aug 08 17:24:34 <PuffTheMagic> so install ubuntu
Aug 08 17:24:39 <PuffTheMagic> where does a livecd come in
Aug 08 17:25:15 <destinal> I don't think he wanted to keep it
Aug 08 17:25:25 <destinal> of course a VM would work too I imagine
Aug 08 17:25:29 <PuffTheMagic> yeah
Aug 08 17:25:35 <PuffTheMagic> still dont need a livecd
Aug 08 17:25:42 <destinal> virtualbox ftw
Aug 08 17:25:49 <rwhitby> destinal: +1
Aug 08 17:26:02 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: this service is pissing me off
Aug 08 17:43:15 <jcrawford> wooo nebula thinks he is cool as he is an @ wooo
Aug 08 17:44:05 <jcrawford> i have rwhitby on my side :D
Aug 08 17:46:15 * jcrawford kick #webos-internals nebula
Aug 08 17:46:47 <jcrawford> ahaha
Aug 08 17:46:52 <jcrawford> wrong command
Aug 08 17:46:58 <jcrawford> chanserv hates you nebula "D
Aug 08 17:47:15 <nebula> bah
Aug 08 17:49:58 * gkatsev slaps jcrawford and nebula around with a large trout
Aug 08 17:50:52 * nebula throws the trout back in the pond. 1 trout saved.
Aug 08 17:51:27 <destinal> trout++
Aug 08 17:51:58 <jcrawford> yawn
Aug 08 17:52:02 <jcrawford> we need more beer
Aug 08 17:52:08 <PuffTheMagic> ++
Aug 08 17:52:12 <PuffTheMagic> that sounds like a good idea
Aug 08 17:52:28 <jcrawford> puff you should have come to Boston :D
Aug 08 17:52:33 <jcrawford> we drank lunch today
Aug 08 17:52:39 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Aug 08 17:52:54 <PuffTheMagic> is that for a predevcamp?
Aug 08 17:53:00 <nebula> food what?
Aug 08 17:53:00 <jcrawford> what else?
Aug 08 17:53:13 <nebula> it was to keep our brains moving along
Aug 08 17:53:22 <jcrawford> or slowing down as in nebula's case
Aug 08 17:53:26 <PuffTheMagic> was.... its over already?
Aug 08 17:53:30 <PuffTheMagic> its only 2pm
Aug 08 17:53:32 <PuffTheMagic> not even
Aug 08 17:53:47 <nebula> over?
Aug 08 17:53:48 <jcrawford> beer is done for now i guess
Aug 08 17:53:53 <nebula> 12PM beeer run
Aug 08 17:53:55 <jcrawford> cant have it here in the liubrary
Aug 08 17:53:57 <nebula> another at 4:30
Aug 08 17:54:10 <jcrawford> although i would like to see thier face when we tried to carry in a 30 pack
Aug 08 17:55:04 <PuffTheMagic> is this proper json format?
Aug 08 17:55:05 <PuffTheMagic> {"com.boatrights.prechess":{"version":"0.0.01"}}
Aug 08 18:00:44 <zomg> PuffTheMagic: looks correct to me
Aug 08 18:00:57 <PuffTheMagic> why is this not working then
Aug 08 18:01:28 <zomg> define "not working"
Aug 08 18:08:05 <PuffTheMagic> zomg: i wrote a service to talk to ipkg, i write a main function so i could test it on my desktop i printed out he jsonobjects and i get valid looking strings
Aug 08 18:08:10 <PuffTheMagic> when i test it using mojo
Aug 08 18:08:15 <PuffTheMagic> everything seems to be undefined
Aug 08 18:08:42 <zomg> how are you loading the json?
Aug 08 18:08:58 <egaudet|Away> you using onSuccess?
Aug 08 18:10:01 <ark3qqq> Where does Mojo.Log.info(...) go on device?
Aug 08 18:10:45 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet|Away: onSuccess and onFail both point to the same callback
Aug 08 18:10:53 <PuffTheMagic> if i do console.log(payload);
Aug 08 18:10:55 <PuffTheMagic> i get [object Object]
Aug 08 18:10:58 <PuffTheMagic> but if i do
Aug 08 18:11:06 <PuffTheMagic> consonle.log(payload.returnVal);
Aug 08 18:11:09 <PuffTheMagic> i get undefined
Aug 08 18:11:46 <egaudet|Away> is returnVal set up in the ipkg service method you are calling?
Aug 08 18:12:12 <egaudet|Away> you see returnVal blah in the log though hmmm
Aug 08 18:12:30 <PuffTheMagic> yeah
Aug 08 18:12:48 <PuffTheMagic> 			JSONObject reply = new JSONObject();
Aug 08 18:12:48 <PuffTheMagic> 			reply.put("returnVal",ret.returnValue);
Aug 08 18:12:48 <PuffTheMagic> 			return reply;
Aug 08 18:13:12 <PuffTheMagic> when i dump that object out in java i get {"returnVal":0}
Aug 08 18:13:22 <PuffTheMagic> so it "should" work
Aug 08 18:13:38 <egaudet|Away> don't you need msg.respond?
Aug 08 18:14:07 <egaudet|Away> in the service
Aug 08 18:18:21 <egaudet> i gotta run to the mechanic, i'll be back
Aug 08 18:18:25 <PuffTheMagic> oops wrong function
Aug 08 18:18:35 <PuffTheMagic> 			msg.respond(reply.toString());
Aug 08 18:21:32 <egaudet> so in the js, in your onSuccess() function you dump the obj right, but can't get to its element with obj.returnVal
Aug 08 18:24:44 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: essentially
Aug 08 18:24:48 <PuffTheMagic> unless i cant use console.log()
Aug 08 18:24:58 <PuffTheMagic> maybe i need to cast it or something
Aug 08 18:25:03 <PuffTheMagic> are there casts in js?
Aug 08 18:25:59 <egaudet> console.log(obj.returnVal.toString())
Aug 08 18:26:15 <egaudet> log take a string? and since it returns 0, 0 as a string is undefined/null?
Aug 08 18:26:52 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: i had text mixed in
Aug 08 18:27:20 <PuffTheMagic> like console.log("\n\n\n!!!!!!!!!!!"+payload.returnVal+"!!!!!!!!!!\n\n\n");
Aug 08 18:28:17 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: shouldnt i be able to dump the whole object
Aug 08 18:28:31 <PuffTheMagic> and get something like {"returnVal":0}
Aug 08 18:28:33 <egaudet> yea i thought you said you could?
Aug 08 18:30:59 <egaudet> are you binding your callback?
Aug 08 18:31:06 <egaudet> onSuccess: this.callback.bind(this)
Aug 08 18:31:24 <PuffTheMagic> yeah the call back is being called
Aug 08 18:31:29 <PuffTheMagic> but something is up with the payload
Aug 08 18:32:36 <egaudet> where does console.log go
Aug 08 18:33:00 <PuffTheMagic> stdout
Aug 08 18:33:17 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: i have LunaSysMgr in forground
Aug 08 18:33:20 <PuffTheMagic> so i can see the output
Aug 08 18:33:27 <egaudet> ahh how'd ya do that
Aug 08 18:34:53 <destinal> egaudet:   initctl stop LunaSysMgr;  LunaSysMgr
Aug 08 18:35:21 <destinal> (stops the background one started by upstart and starts it again in fg)
Aug 08 18:35:31 <egaudet> yup awesome
Aug 08 18:36:03 <egaudet> thanks
Aug 08 18:36:24 <PuffTheMagic> hmmm i think i might have an idea why this aint working
Aug 08 18:36:30 * PuffTheMagic makes some method static
Aug 08 18:38:07 <PuffTheMagic> naa that be it
Aug 08 18:39:52 <egaudet> working now?
Aug 08 18:42:11 <PuffTheMagic> no i have no idea what is wrong
Aug 08 18:43:42 <CIA-29> Templarian wiki * r4072 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PreDevCamp - created pages for links
Aug 08 18:43:58 <egaudet> what does the luna-send of the service method look like?
Aug 08 18:44:03 <egaudet> looks like you expect?
Aug 08 18:44:05 <PuffTheMagic> oh yeah
Aug 08 18:44:10 <PuffTheMagic> forget to test it like that :D
Aug 08 18:44:13 <PuffTheMagic> good call
Aug 08 18:45:03 <egaudet> :D
Aug 08 18:45:43 <PuffTheMagic> # luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/update {}
Aug 08 18:45:43 <PuffTheMagic> ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnVal":0}
Aug 08 18:45:45 <egaudet> and on an aside, i'm getting weird behavior in accelservice.  I call the setPollFreq() and it does it correctly, but Luna is printing the respondError() message from that routine
Aug 08 18:46:02 <egaudet> hmmmm
Aug 08 18:46:16 <Templarian> CIA-29: I also linked it at the front of the wiki.
Aug 08 18:46:27 <PuffTheMagic> luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/list {}
Aug 08 18:46:27 <PuffTheMagic> ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"org.webosinternals.breakout":{"version":"0.0.5","description":"Breakout"},"org.webosinternals.preware":{"version":"1.0.0","description":"Preware"},"com.airkrft.sandbox":{"version":"1.0.0","description":"Test"},"org.webos-internals.devtools":{"version":"1.0.0","description":"DevTools"},"org.webosinternals.helloplugin":{"version":"1.0.0","description":"Hello Plugin"}}
Aug 08 18:46:35 <PuffTheMagic> the service is working
Aug 08 18:46:45 <PuffTheMagic> but someone stole my mojo
Aug 08 18:46:46 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Aug 08 18:47:02 <egaudet> lol
Aug 08 18:48:19 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: but that output isnt right
Aug 08 18:48:30 <PuffTheMagic> its like there is a path issue or something
Aug 08 18:48:51 <egaudet> what do you mean isn't right
Aug 08 18:49:07 <PuffTheMagic> when i run /opt/bin/ipkg-opt list
Aug 08 18:49:08 <PuffTheMagic> from cli
Aug 08 18:49:12 <PuffTheMagic> i get a massice list
Aug 08 18:49:17 <rawdaedfish> any app devs on today? i am looking to change the text of a command menu button and i'm not sure how to reference it, since it is not a div tag
Aug 08 18:49:18 <PuffTheMagic> that is the output from my websites feed
Aug 08 18:49:22 <PuffTheMagic> but i thought i removed that
Aug 08 18:49:27 <PuffTheMagic> idk what that output is coming from
Aug 08 18:49:28 <PuffTheMagic> ;)
Aug 08 18:49:45 <egaudet> you have rebooted since changing right
Aug 08 18:49:53 <PuffTheMagic> yes
Aug 08 18:50:57 <PuffTheMagic> this is so weird
Aug 08 18:51:05 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: thanks for reminding me to use luna-send though
Aug 08 18:52:24 <egaudet> are you using the ipkgservice at top of tree?
Aug 08 18:52:41 <PuffTheMagic> top of tree?
Aug 08 18:52:48 <egaudet> git
Aug 08 18:53:00 <egaudet> unmodified?
Aug 08 18:55:02 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: yeah
Aug 08 18:55:07 <PuffTheMagic> what does luna-send talk to
Aug 08 18:55:17 <PuffTheMagic> like how does it work if i kill LunaSysMgr
Aug 08 18:56:06 <egaudet> doesn't it stop working?
Aug 08 18:56:13 <PuffTheMagic> no
Aug 08 18:56:16 <PuffTheMagic> luna-send kept working
Aug 08 18:56:40 <Decimation_> hey guys
Aug 08 18:57:30 <egaudet> working as in found the service and responded
Aug 08 18:57:33 <PuffTheMagic> i have nfc where this output is comming from
Aug 08 18:59:24 <egaudet> remove the service completely and verify it's gone then start again?
Aug 08 19:08:43 <A2NY> hello all
Aug 08 19:11:22 <FreeTim_Boston> hey! How goes it
Aug 08 19:12:24 <destinal> listening to Rick_ talk streaming from Kansas City Pre dev camp
Aug 08 19:12:34 <destinal> http://predevcamp.org/live/
Aug 08 19:12:50 <rCerniglia> Has anyone done anything with UDP yet?
Aug 08 19:13:07 <destinal> does mojo support it?
Aug 08 19:13:28 <epv> discussion on the "official" forum says no
Aug 08 19:13:42 <epv> or tcp or anything else for that matter :)
Aug 08 19:13:48 <destinal> epv: then plugins or services will have to handle the low level protocols
Aug 08 19:13:55 <epv> you can make http requests and nothing else, apparently
Aug 08 19:13:56 <destinal> services preferably for most
Aug 08 19:14:28 <epv> yeah, it seems like the official environment is so limited you pretty much need your own service to do anything
Aug 08 19:15:07 <destinal> which is why palm will need a native sdk or homebrew will beat everything else
Aug 08 19:15:11 <epv> yup
Aug 08 19:15:18 <epv> i wonder which will happen
Aug 08 19:16:09 <epv> the "right" thing might be to incorporate some of the homebrew world's improvements and make a native sdk.. the dumb thing would be to get militant about disallowing anything nonofficial...
Aug 08 19:16:19 <epv> sadly corporations almost always do the dumb thing :)
Aug 08 19:16:59 <bpadalino> well .. this is palm's last stand .. they can't really afford to be too bitchy
Aug 08 19:17:01 <epv> of course, the app store is still empty, and that doesn't look good
Aug 08 19:17:46 <epv> it'd be a shame to see android win :(
Aug 08 19:17:53 <destinal> epv: they've reached out to early access devs to submit their stuff
Aug 08 19:18:17 <bpadalino> it would have been too difficult to bring a Mojo and native SDK to market at the same time
Aug 08 19:18:20 <destinal> epv: but they should have gone the google route and made a full sdk available way way before release and had app store running full tilt the first week
Aug 08 19:18:24 <epv> yeah they have, but you have to wonder why there's still nothing new coming out of it? they first started weeks/months ago
Aug 08 19:18:41 <epv> yeah destinal - that's absolutely what they should have done
Aug 08 19:18:51 <bpadalino> epv, i am almost positive it has to do with "how do i keep my source a secret?"
Aug 08 19:19:02 <epv> hmm
Aug 08 19:19:23 <bpadalino> or "how will you stop piracy of my app?"
Aug 08 19:19:55 <destinal> bpadalino: because apple has done so well at that?
Aug 08 19:20:04 <epv> yeah, and the system doesn't seem to be engineered to work well in a more open environment, egeverything runs as root, no user perms, etc...
Aug 08 19:20:10 <epv> though that could all be retrofitted probably
Aug 08 19:20:21 <bpadalino> destinal, unfortunately apple doesn't care if it gets broken .. it's a warm and fuzzy for the developers
Aug 08 19:20:38 <anthgar> How do you cleanly shut down an emulated Pre?
Aug 08 19:21:25 <destinal> anthgar: it doesn't really need to be shutdown cleanly, but if you want to, you can ssh into it and shutdown
Aug 08 19:21:36 <anthgar> ah, ok
Aug 08 19:21:41 <bpadalino> destinal, moreover - while it's possible to pirate apps on the iphone .. it's still a somewhat involved process .. whereas nothing on the pre has been too involved
Aug 08 19:22:01 <destinal> bpadalino: the point is, it's involved to rip it, not to download and install
Aug 08 19:22:37 <destinal> bpadalino: it's the problem with any media, assume one guy is dedicated enough to rip it, than anyone can just consume, so making it hard didn't actually help in any practical way
Aug 08 19:23:28 <bpadalino> i agree, restricting how the consumer can use something will always become circumvented
Aug 08 19:23:50 <bpadalino> unfortunately, as a developer, it doesn't make good business sense to invest development dollars to 2 app sales
Aug 08 19:23:56 <bpadalino> and a plethora of piracy
Aug 08 19:23:59 <destinal> if everyone had to do the hard stuff it might make an impact, but they don't, one publisher, many consumers
Aug 08 19:24:25 <bpadalino> i have a feeling obfuscators will be most of the answer ..
Aug 08 19:25:24 <bpadalino> and, quite possibly, better intermingling between apps ...
Aug 08 19:25:43 <epv> it always seems to come down to a cat and mouse game... either lockdown/jailbreak or obfuscate/deobfuscate
Aug 08 19:25:45 <bpadalino> no one steals gmail code ... or google reader .. right ?
Aug 08 19:26:03 <bpadalino> i would love something more android-like .. where you can "embed" other apps API's ...
Aug 08 19:26:14 <bpadalino> and call those apps functions out
Aug 08 19:26:28 <bpadalino> similar to how maps are available to all apps
Aug 08 19:42:56 <egaudet> need git help, if i removed a file from my git tree, how do i get it back
Aug 08 19:45:51 <bpadalino> use git checkout
Aug 08 19:45:57 <bpadalino> and tell git the revision you want
Aug 08 19:46:24 <bpadalino> see here: http://n2.nabble.com/(beginner)-git-rm-td2231416.html
Aug 08 19:46:27 <bpadalino> about 1/2 down
Aug 08 19:48:10 <egaudet> thanks
Aug 08 19:48:23 <egaudet> another question, how do I pass -Xlint to the javac compiler using ant/build.xml
Aug 08 19:49:32 <ultraBlack> How do I git push to gitorious?
Aug 08 19:49:59 <bpadalino> egaudet: http://bobcat.webappcabaret.net/javachina/faq/ant_01.htm#ant_mid_Q100 - check that ?
Aug 08 19:50:37 <bpadalino> ultraBlack, git push origin if you setup origin as your remote gitorious branch i think
Aug 08 19:50:47 <ultraBlack> and rwhitby: for quilt-lite, libdb is dependent upon python. should i remove that?
Aug 08 19:51:30 <ultraBlack> $ git push git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications.git
Aug 08 19:51:30 <ultraBlack> fatal: protocol error: expected sha/ref, got '☻
Aug 08 19:51:30 <ultraBlack> ----------------------------------------------
Aug 08 19:51:30 <ultraBlack> The git:// url is read-only. Please see http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/app
Aug 08 19:51:30 <ultraBlack> lications for the push url, if you're a committer.
Aug 08 19:51:31 <ultraBlack> ------------------------------------
Aug 08 19:51:37 <ultraBlack> bpadalino: ^
Aug 08 19:51:51 <ultraBlack> do i need to use ssh?
Aug 08 19:51:57 <bpadalino> no, are you a committer ?
Aug 08 19:52:07 <ultraBlack> yeah rwhitby made me one
Aug 08 19:52:32 <ultraBlack> err, but how do i login to gitorious through git
Aug 08 19:52:39 <ultraBlack> git config?
Aug 08 19:53:54 <bpadalino> you have the wrong repo location
Aug 08 19:54:02 <bpadalino> Push url: git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/applications.git
Aug 08 19:54:19 <ultraBlack> ah
Aug 08 19:54:47 <ultraBlack> :X
Aug 08 19:54:54 <ultraBlack> Putty said no authentication modes available
Aug 08 19:55:04 <ultraBlack> and then
Aug 08 19:55:04 <ultraBlack> $ git push git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/applications.git
Aug 08 19:55:04 <ultraBlack> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Aug 08 19:55:33 <bpadalino> did you manage your ssh keys ?
Aug 08 19:55:46 <ultraBlack> no
Aug 08 19:55:51 <bpadalino> add your ssh key ..
Aug 08 19:55:56 <bpadalino> login to gitorious
Aug 08 19:56:02 <ultraBlack> alright i am
Aug 08 19:56:02 <bpadalino> go to your profile dealie
Aug 08 19:56:07 <ultraBlack> yeah i know
Aug 08 19:56:09 <bpadalino> ok
Aug 08 19:56:13 <ultraBlack> i saw it
Aug 08 20:00:09 <ultraBlack> bpadalino: this was helpful http://gitorious.org/about/faq
Aug 08 20:01:00 <bpadalino> i am sure it is very helpful
Aug 08 20:48:14 <dancrumb> hi all
Aug 08 20:48:20 <dancrumb> i'm having problems installing optware
Aug 08 20:48:23 <dancrumb> can someone help?
Aug 08 20:49:02 <bpadalino> the wiki is pretty informative - have you followed those instructions ?
Aug 08 20:49:48 <dancrumb> yeah... the wiki says: to run  sh optware-bootstrap.sh
Aug 08 20:49:50 <dancrumb> which i did
Aug 08 20:50:09 <dancrumb> and the error message says: Please paste the contents of /tmp/optware-bootstrap.sh.log to http://webos.pastebin.com/
Aug 08 20:50:09 <dancrumb> and seek help in the IRC channel #webos-internals.
Aug 08 20:50:39 <bpadalino> did you paste ?
Aug 08 20:51:34 <dancrumb> yes
Aug 08 20:51:45 <dancrumb> 'Dan Rumney'
Aug 08 20:52:02 <dancrumb> whoops... let me fix it
Aug 08 20:52:31 <dancrumb> ok... under 'dancrumb'
Aug 08 20:52:45 <bpadalino> are you using your pre or the emulator ?
Aug 08 20:52:57 <dancrumb> pre
Aug 08 20:53:37 <bpadalino> it's trying to use the script for the emulator .. hdb and whatnot
Aug 08 20:54:18 <bpadalino> which directions are you trying ?
Aug 08 20:54:28 <dancrumb> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps
Aug 08 20:56:18 <bpadalino> strange .. what's uname -m report ?
Aug 08 20:56:44 <dancrumb> i686
Aug 08 20:56:56 <CIA-29> Czechdev wiki * r4085 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Com_Palm_Appinstaller - Written the appinstaller summary
Aug 08 20:56:59 <bpadalino> and you're installing it on your pre and not in the emu ?
Aug 08 20:57:04 <anthgar> I think the emulated Pre doesn't have /dev/hdb
Aug 08 20:57:23 <dancrumb> aaaaah
Aug 08 20:57:30 <bpadalino> anthgar: right - which is why you need to follow the steps in bold ..
Aug 08 20:57:32 <dancrumb> so... i had emu running
Aug 08 20:57:34 <bpadalino> "If you're attempting to install these packages to your emulator, you must first add sufficient space by enabling a virtual disk. "
Aug 08 20:57:36 <dancrumb> *and* pre connected
Aug 08 20:57:41 <dancrumb> to it went to the emu
Aug 08 20:57:47 <bpadalino> dancrumb: ah, novaterm can choose between the two ..
Aug 08 20:57:55 <bpadalino> i think there is a novacom list command
Aug 08 20:58:01 <dancrumb> yup
Aug 08 20:58:03 <dancrumb> killed the emu
Aug 08 20:58:28 <dancrumb> ok
Aug 08 20:58:29 <dancrumb> that works
Aug 08 20:58:31 <dancrumb> thanks guys
Aug 08 20:58:38 <bpadalino> good luck
Aug 08 21:06:25 <dancrumb> just SSHed into my pre!
Aug 08 21:06:34 <dancrumb> thanks for your help bpadalino
Aug 08 21:11:01 <bpadalino> no problem
Aug 08 21:16:36 <ultraBlack> I like git :]
Aug 08 21:17:55 <bpadalino> it's definitely interesting
Aug 08 21:18:18 <ultraBlack> I'm still struggling at the command line, but I can see using the msysgit gui
Aug 08 21:18:29 <ultraBlack> And I was able to use the command line to push, finally
Aug 08 21:18:38 <ultraBlack> So I'm happy with it
Aug 08 21:20:06 <ultraBlack> Nobody's here cause they're all at pre dev camp today?
Aug 08 21:22:16 <bpadalino> apparently
Aug 08 21:27:25 <ultraBlack> Anyone want to help me figure out how to get my Java to execute ifs
Aug 08 21:27:27 <ultraBlack> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_opt_on_loopback
Aug 08 21:27:59 <ultraBlack> bash ifs I mean
Aug 08 21:28:37 <bpadalino> bash ifs ?
Aug 08 21:28:44 <ultraBlack> if [ "$FSINT" = "" ]
Aug 08 21:28:44 <ultraBlack> then
Aug 08 21:28:44 <ultraBlack>  echo "USB Drive not mounted. Exiting"
Aug 08 21:28:44 <ultraBlack>  exit 1
Aug 08 21:28:44 <ultraBlack> fi
Aug 08 21:28:51 <ultraBlack> Like that one
Aug 08 21:29:07 <bpadalino> that should work
Aug 08 21:29:07 <zomg> I wonder what does Java have to do with bash scripts?
Aug 08 21:29:08 <ultraBlack> All the stuff from the bash scripts needs to get translated to Java
Aug 08 21:29:34 <bpadalino> you're re-writing the script in java ?
Aug 08 21:29:38 <ultraBlack> Would FSINT=`/bin/df|/bin/grep "/dev/mapper/store-media"`
Aug 08 21:29:38 <ultraBlack>  work?
Aug 08 21:29:47 <ultraBlack> Yeah I guess I have to
Aug 08 21:29:51 <ultraBlack> Rewrite it
Aug 08 21:29:52 <zomg> Can't you just execute the script in bash from Java and read the result =)
Aug 08 21:29:54 <bpadalino> you have to rewrite it ?
Aug 08 21:30:01 <ultraBlack> zomg: Ideally
Aug 08 21:30:28 <ultraBlack> zomg: but it would probably create a security hole
Aug 08 21:30:41 <ultraBlack> zomg: it all needs to be broken up
Aug 08 21:41:17 <ultraBlack> Templarian: You here?
Aug 08 21:43:16 <Templarian> Yea.
Aug 08 21:46:05 <ultraBlack> Templarian: nvm..
Aug 08 21:46:41 <ultraBlack> templarian: its just that your komodo toolbox isn't working for me, i'll have to figure it out myself
Aug 08 21:47:32 <Templarian> What's your OS I probably know the fix in 2 seconds.
Aug 08 21:47:55 <Templarian> (it's fix is also listed on the website under troubleshooting hehe)
Aug 08 21:48:08 <ultraBlack> vista
Aug 08 21:48:31 <Templarian> I'm going to hardcode that fix in for OSX and Vista users.
Aug 08 21:49:02 <Templarian> Just set the enviromental variables and it will work.
Aug 08 21:49:17 <ultraBlack> i don't think that's it lemme check
Aug 08 21:50:17 <Templarian> (the toolbox has no appinfo.json checks at all. The addon does)
Aug 08 21:50:34 <ultraBlack> Templarian: My path is set correctly. The problem is probably with my apps. Everytime I load on the emulator I get a blank scene
Aug 08 21:50:58 <ultraBlack> Also now Komodo isn't even letting me use your package and install to emulator macro
Aug 08 21:51:09 <ultraBlack> but it lets me remove an app from the emulator using the remove app from emulator macro
Aug 08 21:51:29 <ultraBlack> addon?
Aug 08 21:51:35 <gkatsev> Templarian: whats your latest and greatest that i can get?
Aug 08 21:52:21 <ultraBlack> `palm-launch -d tcp togglevfs` returned 0 but no go on the emulator's side. doesn't install or anything
Aug 08 21:52:45 <Templarian> Restart the emulator.
Aug 08 21:52:48 <Templarian> (that's a palm issue)
Aug 08 21:52:55 <ultraBlack> yeah i did, i guess its time for a reboot
Aug 08 21:53:15 <Templarian> I'm going to GI Joe... so.
Aug 08 21:53:24 <ultraBlack> wait, that's out?
Aug 08 21:53:29 <gkatsev> yeah
Aug 08 21:53:30 <ultraBlack> the movie?
Aug 08 21:53:35 <ultraBlack> i thought it was the 26th
Aug 08 21:53:38 <gkatsev> yesterday
Aug 08 21:53:41 <ultraBlack> oh snap
Aug 08 21:53:44 <ultraBlack> i'm going too then
Aug 08 21:53:53 <gkatsev> lol
Aug 08 21:54:04 <Templarian> I'll put the error checking when I get back.
Aug 08 21:54:14 <Templarian> I just heard it's a funny random movie.
Aug 08 21:54:42 <gkatsev> i believe /film said that it was what transformers 2 shouldve been, minus the giant robots
Aug 08 21:54:48 <gkatsev> mightve been io9
Aug 08 21:55:05 <gkatsev> yeah, most likely io9
Aug 08 22:12:30 <Decimation> would it be possible to make a call spoofer app?
Aug 08 22:13:31 <bpadalino> call spoofer ?
Aug 08 22:14:53 <Decimation> like, when you call someone
Aug 08 22:15:00 <Decimation> the caller id shows up as whatever number you want
Aug 08 22:15:12 <Decimation> it can be done on the computer, why not straight from my phone
Aug 08 22:15:35 <Decimation> i have a website that i enter my number, a recipient, and the number i want it to show up as on the caller id
Aug 08 22:15:47 <Decimation> and it just calls my phone, a connects me to the person i want to call
Aug 08 22:15:56 <Decimation> and shows up as the number i put in for the caller id
Aug 08 22:18:22 <gkatsev> Decimation: you probably will need to create some linux thing to do that. in fact, im sure there is already something like that, so just port it over, write and write a mojo front end to it
Aug 08 22:18:54 <Decimation> my javascript skills suckk :(
Aug 08 22:20:53 <gkatsev> heh, its not hard, really.
Aug 08 22:21:05 <gkatsev> just remember that js is a functional programming language
Aug 08 22:23:30 <emrys> anyone here who has played at all with openvpn on the pre?
Aug 08 22:24:24 <emrys> I have a tunnel up and am trying to use the mail client to imaps over it; I can get authenticated fine, but can't get any mail.  Looking at tcpdump, after auth the regular sync traffic is trying to go out over the direct interface instead of over the tuennel for some reason.
Aug 08 23:14:24 <destinal> so there's a few potential issues...
Aug 08 23:15:42 <destinal> chuq says point blank, no other catalogs.  also no adult content and no tethering and no VOIP allowed in theirs, so we're going to have at least a somewhat iphone-app-store-like situation
Aug 08 23:17:44 <destinal> interestingly they're going to be playing catchup regarding dev phones for a bit.  right now a dev anywhere in the world can buy one on ebay, reflash a modified doctor image with no activation requirements, and use it for development
Aug 08 23:17:51 <destinal> there's no official solution for that
Aug 08 23:18:28 <rwhitby> destinal: the set of devs that will reflash with a modified image is small beans for palm, and not worth their effort worrying about.
Aug 08 23:18:53 <destinal> what I'm saying is it's unfortunate that people have no official avenue and have to turn to hacking it themselves
Aug 08 23:19:26 <destinal> and yeah a lot of devs won't bother with it and just use some other platform
Aug 08 23:19:56 <destinal> the emulator isn't good enough yet to develop apps on by itself IMO
Aug 08 23:25:27 <destinal> regardless I'm glad I have NOT accepted any EULA's, I can distribute my code however I like.
Aug 08 23:27:37 <jcrawford> predev was good today'
Aug 08 23:27:42 <jcrawford> met some nice people
Aug 08 23:27:58 <jcrawford> nebula who is not here is a cool guy :D
Aug 08 23:28:34 <destinal> jcrawford: which pdc?
Aug 08 23:28:50 <jcrawford> Boston
Aug 08 23:29:34 <jcrawford> loved our lunch sign on the webcast lol
Aug 08 23:29:44 <jcrawford> brb went to get some chowdah
Aug 08 23:29:52 <jcrawford> then they crossed off chowdah and put beer
Aug 08 23:30:03 <jcrawford> rwhitby: did you attend PDC today?
Aug 08 23:30:32 <rwhitby> yes, the Adelaide PDC, held in my lounge room, except for the 4 hours I was asleep.
Aug 08 23:30:57 <rwhitby> (I stayed up to 4am, then slept to 7:30am)
Aug 08 23:31:15 <gkatsev> destinal: pdc = predevcamp, not professional developers conference (or, at least for today :)
Aug 08 23:31:48 <destinal> gkatsev: yeah
Aug 08 23:31:49 <gkatsev> oh, lol
Aug 08 23:31:52 <gkatsev> miss read
Aug 08 23:32:03 <gkatsev> i thought you said whats not which
Aug 08 23:32:13 <gkatsev> lol
Aug 08 23:33:04 <JackieRipper> good morning
Aug 08 23:33:40 <StoneRyno> I need troubleshooting help following the few steps for going to quilt lite on this page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches trying to paste my putty output to paste bin generates: Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved
Aug 08 23:34:24 <jcrawford> oh no it's the sock shoe guys
Aug 08 23:34:38 <rwhitby> StoneRyno: what's the trouble you're seeing - that migration process was done at 3am this morning
Aug 08 23:35:01 <StoneRyno> I'll try to summarize what i think the errors are
Aug 08 23:35:47 <jcrawford> morning???
Aug 08 23:35:49 <jcrawford> evening here :)
Aug 08 23:36:16 <StoneRyno> entering ipkg-opt update at the prompt generates this message at every gz file: ipkg: Invalid gzip magic
Aug 08 23:36:21 <rwhitby> jcrawford: 9am here
Aug 08 23:36:47 <rwhitby> StoneRyno: ok, that's a very fundamental problem them
Aug 08 23:37:18 <rwhitby> StoneRyno: are you sure your network connection is working properly?
Aug 08 23:37:29 <StoneRyno> so when i get to the step to enter ipkg-opt install quilt-lite at the prompt I get this Nothing to be done An error ocurred, return value: 4. Collected errors: Cannot find package quilt-lite.
Aug 08 23:37:51 <rwhitby> StoneRyno: ipkg-opt update has to work before anything else can
Aug 08 23:38:02 <rwhitby> StoneRyno: can you ping ipkg.nslu2-linux.org from the Pre?
Aug 08 23:38:20 <StoneRyno> Let me verify the pre has a wifi connection to the internet
Aug 08 23:38:54 <jcrawford> rwhitby: where the hell are you?
Aug 08 23:39:04 <StoneRyno> type that ping into putty?
Aug 08 23:39:09 <rwhitby> jcrawford: Adelaide, Australia
Aug 08 23:39:21 <rwhitby> StoneRyno: yep, run it on the Pre
Aug 08 23:40:13 <jcrawford> o damn
Aug 08 23:40:21 <jcrawford> the outback eh
Aug 08 23:40:44 <epv> haha
Aug 08 23:40:47 <rwhitby> jcrawford: no, I live in the 10% of Australia which is not the outback (where 90% of the people live)
Aug 08 23:40:48 <StoneRyno> how long should it take to get a response back? I haven't gotten one
Aug 08 23:40:52 <epv> adelaide is so not outback
Aug 08 23:40:55 <jcrawford> gkatsev: whyd you run away :D
Aug 08 23:41:05 <jcrawford> lol rwhitby
Aug 08 23:41:10 <rwhitby> StoneRyno: should be immediate - your network connection has problems if not
Aug 08 23:41:36 <StoneRyno> ah yea the connection isn't that great where I'm at like dialup at best
Aug 08 23:42:29 <jcrawford> where the hell is nebula probably drinking more beer @ the bar lol
Aug 08 23:42:46 <StoneRyno> I've been browsing the internet on my netbook all day with intermittent connection loss
Aug 08 23:44:08 <StoneRyno> oh wait i think i may know the issue to i need to remount for write
Aug 08 23:46:23 <StoneRyno> or maybe not still get that same magic message, ping didn't seem to work just sat there
Aug 08 23:48:16 <jcrawford> so i do hope that nebula continues on to the user group
Aug 08 23:48:24 <jcrawford> i would def help run it with him
Aug 08 23:48:56 <StoneRyno> question will it make a different if i access linux by usb and use the evdo network instead of by wifi using the wifi network?
Aug 08 23:49:35 <jcrawford> StoneRyno: i am not sure of the full context of the conversation but if you are trying to tether it should work over usb and not wifi
Aug 08 23:50:49 <StoneRyno> nah troubleshooting updating to quilt lite it seems to fail getting the gz with ipkg-opt update
Aug 08 23:51:00 <jcrawford> ah that i wouldnt have a clue about, sorry :)
Aug 08 23:52:59 * rwhitby is watching Rick's talk at http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1949705
Aug 08 23:53:19 <StoneRyno> np I'm connecting to usb to access via putty
Aug 08 23:53:27 <StoneRyno> gonna try that
Aug 08 23:54:28 <StoneRyno> the evdo network may be more reliable that the crappy wifi setup
Aug 08 23:55:01 <StoneRyno> this place got some backyard deal on setting up free wifi and it is worse than dialup
Aug 08 23:57:20 <jcrawford> rwhitby: do you know anything about the Mojo.Depot?  The mail application is using this.depot.simpleGet() but I do not see that as a documented method in the API is it depreciated or something?
Aug 08 23:57:40 <rwhitby> I know nothing about normal webOS development
Aug 08 23:57:57 <jcrawford> damn :(
Aug 08 23:59:36 <StoneRyno> success ipkg-opt update worked over evdo so it must have been a network issue with the local wifi
Aug 09 00:07:46 <jcrawford> grr
Aug 09 00:08:14 <jcrawford> this mail app is very weird.  it has a firstuse-assistant that sets the value in the depot but NOWHERE in the project can I find where it calls the FirstuseAssistant
Aug 09 00:08:52 <jcrawford> i searched all files too lol the only place it is found is in the firstuse-assistant file rofl
Aug 09 00:10:29 <rwhitby> jcrawford: there is a video on mojo storage at http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1949414
Aug 09 00:10:41 <rwhitby> hot off the press from PDC kansas
Aug 09 00:12:02 * rwhitby bbl - another kids bday party to go to
Aug 09 00:13:01 <jcrawford> nice thanks rwhitby
Aug 09 00:13:19 <jcrawford> oh dont tell me boston was recording todays meeting lol
Aug 09 00:17:18 <bougyman> ok, so I still can't get anything except 'paplay' to work from the command line.
Aug 09 00:17:31 <bougyman> anyone have mplayer or anything that plays streams/oggs/etc working yet?
Aug 09 00:17:51 <bougyman> i even have a pulseaudio install on a debian chroot, as the optware stuff doesn't seem to have pulse linked.
Aug 09 00:17:59 <bougyman> and paplay works there, too
Aug 09 00:18:03 <bougyman> but not mplayer.
Aug 09 00:18:04 <epv> weird.
Aug 09 00:18:12 <bougyman> nor mpd, nor any of the other stuffs.
Aug 09 00:18:23 <bougyman> they keep saying can't connect, everything wants an IP socket.
Aug 09 00:18:27 <epv> i'm surprised it works from the debian chroot if it works by writing to a pulseaudio socket
Aug 09 00:18:31 <bougyman> doesn't seem any way to point them at /var/run/pulse/native
Aug 09 00:18:39 <bougyman> well, i mount --bind /var/run
Aug 09 00:18:43 <epv> oh oh ok
Aug 09 00:18:43 <bougyman> so it can find the socket.
Aug 09 00:19:33 <epv> can you tell (like with strace) what it's trying to open?
Aug 09 00:19:36 <bougyman> .hitme chroot mounter
Aug 09 00:19:39 <bougyman> hrm.
Aug 09 00:19:49 <bougyman> did pastr get kicked out or just drop off?
Aug 09 00:20:37 <bougyman> .hitme chroot mounter
Aug 09 00:21:08 <Pastr> bougyman pasted http://pastr.it/16301 (chroot mounter), 15 lines of Bash
Aug 09 00:21:53 <bougyman> i like kicking stuff around with him cause you can wget http://pastr.it/16301/mounter.sh
Aug 09 00:22:13 <bougyman> or whatever desired name/extension you want.
Aug 09 00:22:38 <epv> i wonder if you could put load-module module-native-protocol-tcp bla bla bla into /etc/pulse/system.pa to get it to accept tcp socket conncetions
Aug 09 00:23:05 <bougyman> probably
Aug 09 00:23:09 <bougyman> that may solve this whole deal.
Aug 09 00:23:16 <bougyman> but that's not portable across system upgrades
Aug 09 00:23:24 <bougyman> the chroot way wouldn't need patchin.
Aug 09 00:23:38 <epv> it'd be cool to have enabled anyway so you could do things like migrate streams to/from it to a linux host
Aug 09 00:23:38 <bougyman> i try to do evertyhing in the chroot so I can upgrade/blow the system away without regret.
Aug 09 00:23:49 <epv> hmm yeah
Aug 09 00:23:55 <epv> i should be more careful about that too.
Aug 09 00:23:56 <bougyman> sure, but I can re-serve it in my debian already.
Aug 09 00:24:05 <bougyman> so I already have a pulseaudio server listening on IP.
Aug 09 00:24:15 <bougyman> i guess I could play from my computer through it, haven't tried yet.
Aug 09 00:24:21 <bougyman> i really want local streams working.
Aug 09 00:24:28 <bougyman> since this built-in player won't play my streams.
Aug 09 00:24:52 <bougyman> maybe they'll fix the built-in one?
Aug 09 00:24:58 <bougyman> it looks like it hangs off gstreamer.
Aug 09 00:25:05 <epv> it does seem pretty basic
Aug 09 00:25:16 <bougyman> but with very few plugins.
Aug 09 00:25:25 <bougyman> maybe I'll try gstreamer on debian next.
Aug 09 00:25:30 <bougyman> i just hate all that xml conf.
Aug 09 00:25:54 <bougyman> pulse seems esd-compatible...
Aug 09 00:25:56 <bougyman> but only over IP
Aug 09 00:25:59 <bougyman> the socket is not.
Aug 09 00:27:47 <bougyman> aha!
Aug 09 00:27:53 <bougyman> this module-hal-detect may do it.
Aug 09 00:29:56 <bougyman> ugh
Aug 09 00:29:58 <bougyman> how to connect to hal.
Aug 09 00:32:28 <cashen> having problems with MyTether, it will not enable USBnet
Aug 09 00:32:38 <bougyman> is that allowed now?
Aug 09 00:33:37 <cashen> maybe thats the problem...
Aug 09 00:35:19 <cashen> anyone else yuse it and get it to work?
Aug 09 00:35:32 <bpadalino> issues with mytether should probably go over to the mytether forums on their website
Aug 09 00:37:06 <Cooknn> root@qemux86:/tmp# wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw
Aug 09 00:37:07 <Cooknn> Connecting to gitorious.org (87.238.52.168:80)
Aug 09 00:37:07 <Cooknn> optware-bootstrap.sh 100% |*******************************| 20968  00:00:00 ETA
Aug 09 00:37:07 <Cooknn> root@qemux86:/tmp# sh optware-bootstrap.sh
Aug 09 00:37:08 <Cooknn> Creating new /opt directory: OK
Aug 09 00:37:08 <Cooknn> Mounting /dev/hdb to /opt: FAILED
Aug 09 00:37:16 <Cooknn> Suggestions?
Aug 09 00:37:21 <bpadalino> cooknn, read the directions
Aug 09 00:37:27 <Cooknn> That helps
Aug 09 00:37:27 <bpadalino> the bold ones saying you need virtual space
Aug 09 00:37:34 <Cooknn> I'm on a Mac
Aug 09 00:37:39 <Cooknn> It said for PC
Aug 09 00:37:47 <bpadalino> you're on your emulator ?
Aug 09 00:37:58 <Cooknn> Heh. I am not sure
Aug 09 00:38:04 <Cooknn> I thought I was on my pre
Aug 09 00:38:09 <bougyman> this makes no sense
Aug 09 00:38:11 <bougyman> root@castle:/# padsp -s /var/run/pulse/native mpg123 /media/internal/music/oggs/01.She_Aint_The_Girl_For_You.mp3
Aug 09 00:38:15 <bougyman> that just hangs
Aug 09 00:38:18 <bougyman> but paplay works.
Aug 09 00:38:22 <bougyman> same with mplayer.
Aug 09 00:38:24 * bougyman straces
Aug 09 00:38:33 <Cooknn> How can I tell
Aug 09 00:38:36 <Cooknn> ?
Aug 09 00:38:37 <bpadalino> cooknn, here's a hint: @qemux86 is the emulator .. @castle is the pre
Aug 09 00:38:39 <Decimation> how come i havent seen anyone workin with the video recording info posted recently
Aug 09 00:38:41 <Decimation> ?
Aug 09 00:38:42 <Cooknn> DOH
Aug 09 00:38:45 <bpadalino> whoops!
Aug 09 00:38:50 <Cooknn> Thanks
Aug 09 00:38:52 <bpadalino> no problem
Aug 09 00:38:54 <Decimation> that is the most impressive info ive seen since the phones came out...
Aug 09 00:39:42 <emrys> anyone here who has played at all with openvpn on the pre?
Aug 09 00:39:44 <emrys> I have a tunnel up and am trying to use the mail client to imaps over it; I can get authenticated fine, but can't get any mail.  Looking at tcpdump, after auth the regular sync traffic is trying to go out over the direct interface instead of over the tuennel for some reason.
Aug 09 00:40:05 <bougyman> emrys: ip route
Aug 09 00:40:13 <epv> is the imap server the same machine the tunnel is connected to?
Aug 09 00:40:17 <bougyman> do you not have your server pushing routes?
Aug 09 00:40:39 <gxti> epv: when you say "auth" do you mean imap ?
Aug 09 00:40:45 <emrys> the routes are fine
Aug 09 00:40:48 <gxti> er
Aug 09 00:40:48 <epv> yeah you'll want to make sure the pre has a route to wherever your mail server is that goes over the tunnel
Aug 09 00:40:49 <gxti> emrys:
Aug 09 00:41:06 <emrys> the only way I can explain what I'm seeing is the mail client explicitly binds to the other device for outgoing traffic
Aug 09 00:41:10 <emrys> yes, I mean imap
Aug 09 00:41:30 <Cooknn> bpadalino how do I avoid going into the emulator so that I can get into my pre?
Aug 09 00:41:32 <gxti> emrys: is that just the initial check when saving your settings, or does it also auth successfully during a sync?
Aug 09 00:41:42 <Pastr> bougyman pasted http://pastr.it/16302 (strace of pasdp mpg123 hangs), 588 lines of JavaScript
Aug 09 00:41:44 <emrys> the imap machine is not the same machine the tunnel is connected to, but I have good routes into that network.  I can watch it auth over the correct route to the mail machine, then switch to the wrong route for the actual mail sync  to the same machine.
Aug 09 00:41:48 <bpadalino> cooknn, there is a novacom list command to see which devices you can connect to
Aug 09 00:41:58 <bougyman> hrm.
Aug 09 00:41:59 <bpadalino> try the command line options .. there is some way to say which device you want to connect to
Aug 09 00:42:01 <epv> can you remove the wrong route entirely?
Aug 09 00:42:07 <Cooknn> ok.  will do.
Aug 09 00:42:10 <emrys> gxti: if it is supposed to auth again durin a syng, it doesn't...the SYN fails, it gets no farther
Aug 09 00:42:13 <epv> just to see what it does
Aug 09 00:42:29 <gxti> emrys: ok, so it must be binding during the sync... wonder what it does for wifi then
Aug 09 00:42:48 <emrys> epv: no, because the wrong route is ppp0's default, the vpn traffic goes over that eventually to get off the phone
Aug 09 00:43:10 <gxti> emrys: well, you could add a route just for the vpn, but it's not going to help anyway
Aug 09 00:43:16 <epv> you could add a more specific route to the vpn endpoint though
Aug 09 00:43:18 <emrys> gxti: I have actually observed it continue to use ppp0 for mail only even when on wifi, I assumed it was a cache of some kind, but maybe not...that was before I ran into this
Aug 09 00:43:23 <epv> it could even be a /32 just to that one host
Aug 09 00:43:31 <emrys> that's how openvpn works
Aug 09 00:43:33 <emrys> already
Aug 09 00:43:41 <gxti> emrys: is imap ssl/tls or unsecured?
Aug 09 00:43:45 <epv> not that this really reveals the source of your problem, but it'd be an interesting experiment
Aug 09 00:43:46 <emrys> ssl
Aug 09 00:43:53 <gxti> huh... then i have no idea
Aug 09 00:44:10 <gxti> odd that it would use only cell for that
Aug 09 00:44:22 <epv> it's so they can snoop on your mail better :)
Aug 09 00:44:49 <emrys> starting to dig through the mail app to try to find it but first time I've opened any of these, no idea where to start beyond grep -ril sync
Aug 09 00:44:50 <emrys> heh
Aug 09 00:45:09 <gxti> epv: they can't if it's SSL, unless of course the certificate checking is all a sham, which you could check with tcpdump
Aug 09 00:45:17 <emrys> the fact it does the initial auth test correctly really points at explicit behaviour though
Aug 09 00:45:18 <epv> yeah i was just kidding. :)
Aug 09 00:45:28 <gxti> epv: unfortunately you never know :P
Aug 09 00:45:46 <gxti> emrys: well, i know the syscalls involved but i don't know anything about how the palm apps are written
Aug 09 00:46:13 <epv> i never even checked whether the mail client is fully resident on the pre or if it was just a mojo frontend to some "cloud" thing that does the actual imap/pop/etc
Aug 09 00:46:29 <gxti> ugh.
Aug 09 00:46:34 <emrys> it's resident enough to see in tcpdump
Aug 09 00:46:41 <gxti> ... yeah. whew.
Aug 09 00:46:49 <epv> yeah as long as it's actually talking to your actual mailserver
Aug 09 00:46:51 <emrys> I see it make the connection to the remote IP over the wroute interface (well, try to)
Aug 09 00:46:53 <epv> that's good
Aug 09 00:47:02 <emrys> s/wroute/wrong/
Aug 09 00:47:02 <infobot> emrys meant: I see it make the connection to the remote IP over the wrong interface (well, try to)
Aug 09 00:47:08 <gxti> .
Aug 09 00:47:13 <epv> i need to try this now and see for myself
Aug 09 00:47:18 <gxti> how useless
Aug 09 00:48:16 <epv> it may try to always use ppp0 because it wants to check mail periodically while "asleep" and not have to bring up wifi, but... geez
Aug 09 00:48:45 <gxti> it doesn't need to go out of its way to bind ppp0 to do that; the wifi shuts off automatically
Aug 09 00:49:00 <emrys> 172.28.0.0/16 via 172.28.30.13 dev tun0   <=== is the route showing
Aug 09 00:49:26 <emrys> 19:03:07.971405 IP x.x.x.x.y > 172.28.3.7.993: Flags [S], ...  <==== shows up on tcpdump -n -i ppp0, nothing on -i tun0
Aug 09 00:50:15 <emrys> btw I asked the other day if anyone knew if it'd break anything if you changed the hostname; answer, it'll break usbnet, see /etc/event.d/usbctrl
Aug 09 00:50:27 <emrys> that was fun to fix
Aug 09 00:50:58 <epv> weird you're right... it just uses the ppp interface regardless
Aug 09 00:50:59 <emrys> thank God and the ones who wrote it for on device terminal apps
Aug 09 00:51:11 <epv> heh
Aug 09 00:51:15 <bougyman> epv: you make anything of http://pastr.it/16302/wtf.txt ?
Aug 09 00:51:32 <bougyman> it stalls waiting ona futex after that socket op on a non-socket.
Aug 09 00:52:22 <epv> this is you running padsp on your chrooted debian install?
Aug 09 00:53:06 <bougyman> yeah.
Aug 09 00:53:14 <bougyman> remember, paplay works on that same install.
Aug 09 00:53:27 <bougyman> i'll get an strace of paplay
Aug 09 00:54:38 <epv> only thing that seems weird to me is that it gets ENOTSOCK trying to open /var/run/pulse/native
Aug 09 00:54:56 <epv> maybe there's a messed up symlink in there somewhere?
Aug 09 00:55:21 <bougyman> http://pastr.it/16302-1/good.txt is the good one.
Aug 09 00:55:50 <bougyman> root@castle:/# ls -l /var/run/pulse/native
Aug 09 00:55:51 <bougyman> srwxrwxrwx 1 31 31 0 Aug  4 10:11 /var/run/pulse/native
Aug 09 00:55:56 <bougyman> that's from the debian chroot
Aug 09 00:56:03 <epv> buh
Aug 09 00:56:14 <bougyman> ugh.
Aug 09 00:56:28 <bougyman> ghat's not right.
Aug 09 00:56:35 <bougyman> http://pastr.it/16302-1
Aug 09 00:56:52 <bougyman> i wonder why text doesn't work there
Aug 09 00:56:55 * bougyman needs to fix
Aug 09 00:57:45 <epv> oh the working one does the same thing wrt /var/run/pulse/native, guess it doesn't matter
Aug 09 00:57:58 <bougyman> http://pastr.it/pastes/view_annotation/154/pastr_16302-1.txt
Aug 09 00:58:00 <bougyman> there it is.
Aug 09 00:58:04 <bougyman> crap that's a pita.
Aug 09 00:58:10 <epv> oh ok
Aug 09 00:58:13 <epv> i got confused by pastr
Aug 09 00:58:38 <epv> so it does open it ok there
Aug 09 00:58:40 <bougyman> yeah, i need to make http://pastr.it/16302-1/filename.ext work.
Aug 09 00:59:07 <bougyman> instead of the "long" annotation link.
Aug 09 00:59:21 <epv> weird that paplay opens the socket ok and padsp doesn't
Aug 09 00:59:36 <bougyman> very. everything about this pulse has been weird.
Aug 09 00:59:44 <bougyman> and it just hangs there.
Aug 09 00:59:56 <bougyman> id' figure it would (and wouldn't) do anything paplay would.
Aug 09 01:00:28 <bougyman> i could do some silly pullthe stream, buffer it, convert it, and pipe it to paplay
Aug 09 01:00:31 <bougyman> but, ew.
Aug 09 01:00:48 <bougyman> i think the pre would catch fire.
Aug 09 01:00:56 <epv> haha
Aug 09 01:01:59 <epv> i'll try on my pre and see what happens
Aug 09 01:05:17 <epv> is padsp from a deb package?
Aug 09 01:08:33 <epv> oh the install didn't work, brb
Aug 09 01:08:53 <bougyman> yea, it's part of pulse
Aug 09 01:08:57 <bougyman> what install didn't work?
Aug 09 01:09:44 <epv> my package index was out of date when i tried to install pulse-utils
Aug 09 01:09:57 <bougyman> ah
Aug 09 01:10:12 <epv> it's slow on pre :)
Aug 09 01:10:14 <bougyman> you mount /var/tun ?
Aug 09 01:10:15 <bougyman> yeah, very
Aug 09 01:10:23 <bougyman> especially as an img on vfat
Aug 09 01:10:27 <epv> yep.
Aug 09 01:10:28 <bougyman> that's how i'm running mine
Aug 09 01:10:43 <epv> yeah i bind mount /var/run and mount /proc within the chroot
Aug 09 01:10:48 <bougyman> http://pastr.it/16301/mounter.sh
Aug 09 01:10:54 <bougyman> i do all of those, as well.
Aug 09 01:10:58 <bougyman> have had need for em
Aug 09 01:11:02 <bougyman> /dev/pts for screen, etc.
Aug 09 01:22:43 <epv> hey padsp works on mine.
Aug 09 01:22:59 <epv> you were running something like " padsp -s /var/run/pulse/native mpg123 /foo.mp3" right?
Aug 09 01:23:24 <epv> woah
Aug 09 01:23:29 <epv> well. it worked, then the phone rebooted.
Aug 09 01:23:33 <epv> wtf!
Aug 09 01:23:34 <bpadalino> slick
Aug 09 01:23:41 <epv> bizarre
Aug 09 01:23:52 <bpadalino> padsp must exec reboot when it's done
Aug 09 01:23:59 <epv> looks like full-on reboot too, not just Luna
Aug 09 01:24:00 <epv> haha
Aug 09 01:24:02 <epv> yeah maybe
Aug 09 01:27:27 <bougyman> weird.
Aug 09 01:27:33 <bougyman> did it take a long time?
Aug 09 01:28:23 <bougyman> mine just hangs
Aug 09 01:28:27 <bougyman> on both mplayer and mpg123
Aug 09 01:29:17 <epv> no it rebooted instantly as soon as mpg123 finished
Aug 09 01:29:17 <bougyman> tried with and without -s
Aug 09 01:29:23 <bougyman> oh weird.
Aug 09 01:29:23 <epv> however it's not coming back up now! :)
Aug 09 01:29:32 * bougyman backs away slowly
Aug 09 01:29:48 <epv> heh!
Aug 09 01:30:32 <epv> haha it's got tons of gdb processes dumping stack traces and stuff
Aug 09 01:31:21 <bougyman> i'm gonna go back to reading the Rhino
Aug 09 01:31:43 <epv> at least novaterm works, /sbin/reboot seems to have made the right thing happen
Aug 09 01:31:46 <bougyman> and send a nastigram to palm about being unable to play my streams.
Aug 09 01:31:50 <epv> haha
Aug 09 01:32:22 <epv> haha it logged failed assertions in rdxd
Aug 09 01:32:34 <epv> geez i won't be trying that again
Aug 09 01:50:38 <tharris-> i would seems fun
Aug 09 01:51:02 <tharris-> now do that on someone elses from remote, that would be hilarious
Aug 09 01:52:11 <tharris-> anyone get streams working (mp3) for 1.1
Aug 09 02:08:24 <emrys> gxti, epv: I don't think this route thing with the mail app is what it first appears.  I brought up wifi and took down ppp0, and tried to sync mail...it took it a minute but then it started routing out over wifi.  So I tried the vpn link again, and it routed over the vpn route, but the traffic source address was the wifi source IP instead of the pre's vpn endpoint.
Aug 09 02:08:39 <emrys> I added an iptables SNAT rule to tweak everything going out over tun0, and I can get mail over vpn.
Aug 09 02:09:18 <emrys> not something I want it to be doing all the time or anything but I suspect the issue is that mail comes up on boot before vpn and it's grabbing the interfaces it sees then and only looking for more if it fails.
Aug 09 02:09:49 <emrys> for both what interface to send traffic through and what interface it sends from, which is bizarre...but fits what I'm seeing
Aug 09 02:13:31 <emrys> I would guess other apps do this as well but email is just particular in that it starts on boot for polling, vs www which is really restarted each time you use it
Aug 09 02:13:42 <emrys> seems pretty major implications for the whole "use wifi" angle
Aug 09 02:29:48 <emrys> is there a place to document that and start a discussion?  the wiki?
Aug 09 02:54:24 <Decimation> is anyone workin on making a video recording app
Aug 09 02:54:42 <Decimation> i just hate having to open up putty on my computer every time to record one :P
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