**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 20 02:59:56 2009 Aug 20 03:03:28 is there a way to have a drop-down menu in full-screen mode? Aug 20 03:04:39 atlanta, done Aug 20 03:04:51 i have the shift/sym/orange key decrease in size when locked Aug 20 03:05:03 ok cool Aug 20 03:07:27 egaudet: updated git around. Aug 20 03:07:30 ? Aug 20 03:07:37 is it oossible to have it remember where you last positioned the kb, ie this would require 2 settings for landscape and portrait Aug 20 03:07:42 ? Aug 20 03:09:52 atlanta, no releaes yet, have to wok on search fields and home screen launch before next release Aug 20 03:10:19 coolio coolio Aug 20 03:10:21 you the man Aug 20 03:10:59 people i hang out with saw i had it and have been bugging me to mod there phones now lol Aug 20 03:13:01 haha nice Aug 20 03:14:08 iight night guys Aug 20 03:14:24 thanks egaudet PuffTheMagic and rwhitby will hit you guys up 2mro Aug 20 03:14:44 ciao atlanta Aug 20 03:15:09 howdyyyy fellas :P Aug 20 03:17:57 Do you guys see that http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml Aug 20 03:18:25 nokia's cool linux phone Aug 20 03:19:19 nice, the internet tablets have finally turned into phones Aug 20 03:19:49 so Aug 20 03:19:57 default to time-based listing? Aug 20 03:20:24 "The service is not available. Please try again later." Aug 20 03:20:27 maemo phones? wonderful Aug 20 03:20:29 amazing phone that is :p Aug 20 03:21:49 the great thing is all these linux phones, you'll just be able to run any of the OS's on any of the phones (well except the closed ones like webos) :( Aug 20 03:22:20 oil: I say default to random order Aug 20 03:22:32 thats not an option Aug 20 03:22:42 then no-one can complain about being given preferential treatment ;-) Aug 20 03:22:43 hey, destinal, i have some plugin problems to ask you Aug 20 03:22:47 a maemo port to pre may be in my future Aug 20 03:22:56 ameng: hey Aug 20 03:24:16 * rwhitby bbl Aug 20 03:24:35 destinal: I have write a new dfb backend based on a pixel buffer, i work on my pc with a gdkwindow Aug 20 03:24:43 it Aug 20 03:25:34 order it by installations - removals Aug 20 03:25:37 ameng: awesome Aug 20 03:26:42 I noticed in browser plugin the screenbuffer's address changes sometimes Aug 20 03:27:02 why? Aug 20 03:27:22 ameng: maybe because x and y coordinates aren't fixed Aug 20 03:27:31 how much is it changing? Aug 20 03:28:14 also basically the window can only be written in the draw event where it's passed to the plugin. Aug 20 03:28:23 so it doesn't matter if it changes really Aug 20 03:28:41 ic: HandleDrawEvent(sl:0 sr:320 st:0 sb:452 dl:0 dr:320 dt:0 db:452 drb:1280 [top:0 left:0 bottom:452 right:320 screenWidth:320] buf:0xb505e008 myobj:0x95ab0b8) Aug 20 03:28:41 2009-08-19 19:59:47 675 basic: HandleDrawEvent(sl:0 sr:320 st:0 sb:452 dl:0 dr:320 dt:0 db:452 drb:1280 [top:0 left:0 bottom:452 right:320 screenWidth:320] buf:0xb505e008 myobj:0x95ab0b8) Aug 20 03:28:41 2009-08-19 19:59:47 675 basic: HandleDrawEvent(sl:0 sr:320 st:0 sb:401 dl:0 dr:320 dt:51 db:452 drb:1280 [top:0 left:0 bottom:401 right:320 screenWidth:320] buf:0xb506df08 myobj:0x95ab0b8) Aug 20 03:28:41 2009-08-19 19:59:47 675 basic: HandleDrawEvent(sl:0 sr:320 st:0 sb:399 dl:0 dr:320 dt:53 db:452 drb:1280 [top:0 left:0 bottom:399 right:320 screenWidth:320] buf:0xb506e908 myobj:0x95ab0b8) Aug 20 03:28:44 2009-08-19 19:59:47 675 basic: HandleDrawEvent(sl:0 sr:320 st:0 sb:431 dl:0 dr:320 dt:21 db:452 drb:1280 [top:0 left:0 bottom:431 right:320 screenWidth:320] buf:0xb5064908 myobj:0x95ab0b8) Aug 20 03:28:47 2009-08-19 19:59:47 675 basic: HandleDrawEvent(sl:0 sr:320 st:0 sb:444 dl:0 dr:320 dt:8 db:452 drb:1280 [top:0 left:0 bottom:444 right:320 screenWidth:320] buf:0xb5060808 myobj:0x95ab0b8) Aug 20 03:28:50 2009-08-19 19:59:47 675 basic: HandleDrawEvent(sl:0 sr:320 st:0 sb:449 dl:0 dr:320 dt:3 db:452 drb:1280 [top:0 left:0 bottom:449 right:320 screenWidth:320] buf:0xb505ef08 myobj:0x95ab0b8) Aug 20 03:28:53 2009-08-19 19:59:48 675 basic: HandleDrawEvent(sl:0 sr:320 st:0 sb:451 dl:0 dr:320 dt:1 db:452 drb:1280 [top:0 left:0 bottom:451 right:320 screenWidth:320] buf:0xb505e508 myobj:0x95ab0b8) Aug 20 03:28:54 ameng: ack, use pastebin Aug 20 03:28:56 2009-08-19 19:59:48 675 basic: HandleDrawEvent(sl:0 sr:320 st:0 sb:452 dl:0 dr:320 dt:0 db:452 drb:1280 [top:0 left:0 bottom:452 right:320 screenWidth:320] buf:0xb505e008 myobj:0x95ab0b8) Aug 20 03:28:59 2009-08-19 19:59:48 675 basic: HandleDrawEvent(sl:0 sr:320 st:0 sb:452 dl:0 dr:320 dt:0 db:452 drb:1280 [top:0 left:0 bottom:452 right:320 screenWidth:320] buf:0xb505e008 myobj:0x95ab0b8) Aug 20 03:29:02 like this Aug 20 03:29:05 sorry Aug 20 03:29:45 yeah Aug 20 03:29:59 basically the buffer doesn't have to stay at the same place in memory Aug 20 03:30:09 how the plugin window works? the browser does not give it a fixed buffer? Aug 20 03:30:24 no, it's only valid when called for a draw event Aug 20 03:30:36 trying to write to it outside that call will fail Aug 20 03:30:41 crash luna usually Aug 20 03:31:02 so I think another buffer is wise Aug 20 03:31:29 oh, got it Aug 20 03:32:02 basically I was thinking, keep another buffer and only blit across what is called for each draw event Aug 20 03:32:21 since sometimes it will just be cleanup for dirty rectangles and such Aug 20 03:32:34 yeah , Aug 20 03:33:09 so we cook our graphics in our buffer, then copy to the plugin's Aug 20 03:33:36 right, a form of double-buffering basically Aug 20 03:34:15 heh, my new dfb backend juse do that Aug 20 03:34:20 just Aug 20 03:35:06 a dfb backend to a pixbuf which can be drawn in by a plugin sounds exciting Aug 20 03:35:22 cook graphics in the buffer and draw it into a gdk window, that works Aug 20 03:41:08 now time to figure out how to get the new backend work with the plugin? Aug 20 03:41:56 destinal: do you want to have a look at the new backend? Aug 20 03:42:15 ameng: yes, I'd like that Aug 20 03:42:42 how can i give it to you? Aug 20 03:44:19 asdf Aug 20 03:47:10 ameng: if it's small enough, just email to predestinal@gmail.com Aug 20 03:47:34 about 2MB Aug 20 03:48:39 base on directfb-1.2.8 Aug 20 03:49:51 should be fine Aug 20 03:49:53 do you like a patch or the whole dfb package? Aug 20 03:55:57 ameng: a patch is fine Aug 20 03:57:22 this sounds interesting.... Aug 20 03:59:56 ameng: are you willing to share it with everyone? ie can I post your current version in our code repository? Aug 20 04:01:05 there are three or four others here that are doing a lot of plugin hacking also Aug 20 04:04:12 destinal: I think the current version needs more polishing, a important missing part is input driver ,the graphics part works( I managed to run several dfb examples with it) Aug 20 04:05:11 it now works with a gdkwindow Aug 20 04:06:00 hey im havining trouble implementing the help scene. I have the help menu item enabled and the support scene setup but when the user taps on help the app freezes and crashes Aug 20 04:06:05 ameng: very cool Aug 20 04:06:08 ameng: well if you are pro opensoure and want to help us out create a git repo Aug 20 04:06:15 and i can merge it into ours Aug 20 04:06:18 untill we get you setup Aug 20 04:06:26 with your own account on our servers Aug 20 04:06:43 i would love to be able to use some native graphics libs Aug 20 04:06:49 this hackish shit we are doing is slow Aug 20 04:06:53 and ugly Aug 20 04:07:00 even thogh it works decent for now Aug 20 04:09:51 hey im havining trouble implementing the help scene. I have the help menu item enabled and the support scene setup but when the user taps on help the app freezes and crashes. any help? Aug 20 04:17:35 Hello Aug 20 05:00:22 this stupid ajax.request loop is irritating Aug 20 05:00:32 when i want to duplicate it i can't Aug 20 05:00:34 lol Aug 20 05:03:25 heheheh Aug 20 05:03:26 * oil hates that shit Aug 20 05:16:51 if i'm using a back swipe from a pushed scene... cleanup gets called so that i can throw some arguments, right? Aug 20 05:17:12 to the parent scene? Aug 20 05:17:16 yup Aug 20 05:17:20 it does get called Aug 20 05:17:37 but ive never tried to pass back arguments from there Aug 20 05:17:51 hmmm, well, i'll try it :) Aug 20 05:17:57 usually if I do it its because of some user interaction on the scene, and ive already passed it before they would use the back gesture Aug 20 05:18:18 hmmm, that's not a bad idea... Aug 20 05:18:43 this is the advanced settings page, so i figure i'll save when they pop the scene Aug 20 05:18:58 i usually use the cleanup function to just remove event listeners, etc Aug 20 05:19:14 store any data to the database that might not have been stored yet Aug 20 05:19:20 stuff like that Aug 20 05:19:25 on that note, i'm guessing i should cleanup any listen or observe events, correct? Aug 20 05:19:38 palm says its a good idea Aug 20 05:19:41 so ive been doing it Aug 20 05:19:42 and is there a preferred method (listen vs observe)? Aug 20 05:19:51 listen is from mojo Aug 20 05:19:55 observe is from prototype Aug 20 05:20:11 so if you're doing lightweight stages, you cant use observe Aug 20 05:20:11 okay, for a list tap Aug 20 05:20:17 ahhh Aug 20 05:20:21 cause prototype wont be loaded Aug 20 05:20:27 i was considering using lighter stages Aug 20 05:20:48 that might be a recode... :/ Aug 20 05:21:25 it really depends if you're depending heavily on prototypes features Aug 20 05:21:28 like $() Aug 20 05:21:35 you have to replace all those with this.controller.get() Aug 20 05:21:51 how much speed would i gain? Aug 20 05:21:51 palms website explains it all Aug 20 05:21:58 i really dont know Aug 20 05:22:00 yeah, i read over part of it Aug 20 05:22:12 i havent noticed all much difference Aug 20 05:22:20 but it uses less memory Aug 20 05:22:31 okay, then i'll stick with the prototype method Aug 20 05:22:32 and would allow more apps to be open, etc Aug 20 05:22:35 urg... hmmm Aug 20 05:22:51 recode later... just get working for now :) Aug 20 05:22:59 yeah Aug 20 05:23:04 ive used prototype on the web for a while Aug 20 05:23:14 i'm new to js and all this stuff Aug 20 05:23:22 but the last few apps ive written i decided to try lightweight Aug 20 05:23:23 so i don't have a preferred method yet Aug 20 05:23:27 (like preware) Aug 20 05:23:37 nice Aug 20 05:23:46 have you played with sounds at all? Aug 20 05:23:50 nope Aug 20 05:24:00 yet another piece to my puzzle Aug 20 05:24:11 i would only do something with it if i intended to build some sort of music player Aug 20 05:24:21 im not a fan for sound for sounds sake Aug 20 05:24:33 i'm basically trying to make the pager-nagger script a regular app Aug 20 05:24:37 with some other features Aug 20 05:25:15 ah, so sound is something thats required Aug 20 05:25:21 yup, sadly Aug 20 05:25:34 i thought the messaging integration would be the hard part Aug 20 05:25:42 i really think you should make the tagline for it "people who annoy you..." Aug 20 05:25:47 sadly that was not the case... the storing data has been a royal pain Aug 20 05:25:56 hahaha Aug 20 05:27:11 although i did like the fact that i could pick up incoming messages, now i need to see if i can do something crazy Aug 20 05:28:00 lol Aug 20 05:28:24 i'm trying to see if i can do an auto-reply or something Aug 20 05:28:38 not sure how well that will work Aug 20 05:33:35 hahhahaha oil in the podcast Aug 20 05:33:45 ? Aug 20 05:34:00 "he's gonna act like he never even knew us" Aug 20 05:34:10 precentral who? Aug 20 05:34:15 yeah Aug 20 05:34:19 lol Aug 20 05:34:26 :) Aug 20 05:34:33 congrats man! Aug 20 05:34:44 how is things tonight? Aug 20 05:34:46 I missed the whole palmcast so yeah Aug 20 05:34:53 and right after i got off the phone with the guy from palm Aug 20 05:34:59 i wrote the confirmation app Aug 20 05:35:03 haha Aug 20 05:35:20 oil, why were you in palmcast? Aug 20 05:35:31 i wasn't on it Aug 20 05:35:35 they just talked about me Aug 20 05:36:02 oh Aug 20 05:36:09 yeah Aug 20 05:44:52 oil: heh, your fame precedes you. congrats Aug 20 05:44:58 lol Aug 20 05:45:00 time for bed for me, good night all Aug 20 05:45:04 later Aug 20 05:45:12 cya wise old master Aug 20 05:45:14 so why are you famous, oil? Aug 20 05:45:17 im not Aug 20 05:45:23 oil has become the CEO of Palm Aug 20 05:45:29 lmao Aug 20 05:45:30 heheh, why are you getting congratulated? Aug 20 05:45:35 i dont think im qualified Aug 20 05:45:38 i didnt used to work at apple Aug 20 05:45:42 hahahah Aug 20 05:45:44 nice! Aug 20 05:45:47 haha Aug 20 05:46:00 I guess there's no way to send a backspace to the web app :( Aug 20 05:46:09 eh? Aug 20 05:46:24 so the oskb will not be deleting any text from web pages Aug 20 05:46:32 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.sceneElement, Mojo.Event.keypress, Aug 20 05:46:40 no Aug 20 05:46:48 aren't you sleeping? Aug 20 05:46:50 hahaha Aug 20 05:46:57 having nightmares lol Aug 20 05:46:59 if (event.originalEvent.charCode == 8) Aug 20 05:47:06 webos code in your sleep? Aug 20 05:47:15 i do that all the time Aug 20 05:47:26 oil, no I don't control the web page view Aug 20 05:47:29 oh Aug 20 05:47:37 that seems to be done by the browser adapter plugin Aug 20 05:47:41 well, you're probably sol then Aug 20 05:47:55 I press orange sym r in my sleep Aug 20 05:47:57 and they only give me insertTextAtCursor() which doesn't accept \b as backspace Aug 20 05:48:02 what is sym r? Aug 20 05:48:11 + orange Aug 20 05:48:44 what does it do reboot? Aug 20 05:48:49 yup Aug 20 05:48:52 no, it takes a picture Aug 20 05:48:57 nice lol Aug 20 05:48:57 aw Aug 20 05:49:02 my camera stopped working Aug 20 05:49:14 i love it on the pc forums when someone is like "how about an app to reboot the phone? Aug 20 05:49:16 I get "Unable to save picture" Aug 20 05:49:35 and when I click partial reset nothing happens Aug 20 05:49:45 update app isn't working for me either Aug 20 05:49:50 fml hahaha Aug 20 05:49:58 ouch sounds like you need a doctor Aug 20 05:50:20 yeah I forgot about that! Aug 20 05:50:24 I think I might Aug 20 05:50:38 the OS is premature I think Aug 20 05:50:51 still beta like the app catalog Aug 20 05:51:20 well there is a lot to be improved upon/added that's for sure Aug 20 05:52:22 Ok now I reaaaalllly am going to bed... Aug 20 05:52:32 hahaha Aug 20 05:52:38 sweet dreams about webOS Aug 20 05:57:23 immmmmmaaaa bored :/ Aug 20 05:57:35 hahahah Aug 20 05:57:48 would a patch allowing you to send sounds in text messages be possible? Aug 20 05:59:04 hmm Aug 20 05:59:21 not sure because I don't think you can SMS a sound Aug 20 06:04:37 whats good Aug 20 06:05:09 oc80z: Preware Aug 20 06:06:20 rwhitby: damnnnn right :P Aug 20 06:06:54 * oil is about to push 0.6.1 changes Aug 20 06:09:28 * Decimation is curious if he can use preware to update preware now Aug 20 06:09:29 ? Aug 20 06:09:36 yeah Aug 20 06:09:56 * Decimation waits for oil to push changes Aug 20 06:10:05 pushing my changes != new package Aug 20 06:10:11 it means the code would be ready Aug 20 06:10:31 aww man :( Aug 20 06:11:11 do a git clone Aug 20 06:11:13 get the source Aug 20 06:11:21 and use the sdk to palm-package and palm-install it to your phone Aug 20 06:12:06 how do i do a git clone? Aug 20 06:12:10 (im lost with all the git stuff) Aug 20 06:12:12 rwhitby preware eh?? Aug 20 06:12:18 what's the easy way to make a green button? Aug 20 06:12:40 i just paired with motorola s2 Aug 20 06:12:41 oil: i see this... cd /opt/src Aug 20 06:12:43 git clone git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications.git Aug 20 06:12:45 isntead of modifications Aug 20 06:12:47 what would it be Aug 20 06:12:58 er... motorola s9 Aug 20 06:13:00 HattCzech add the class affirmative to it Aug 20 06:13:04 hey oil Aug 20 06:13:18 hey Aug 20 06:14:17 the application looks formal :D Aug 20 06:14:38 is that in the style or class? Aug 20 06:14:51 well, you said class, so i'm guessing class Aug 20 06:15:53 Oh snap Aug 20 06:15:54 yeah, class Aug 20 06:15:59 formal? Aug 20 06:16:20 oil: what command do i enter to clone to get repo and get preare Aug 20 06:16:21 preware Aug 20 06:16:27 sweet, thanks Aug 20 06:17:05 i was looking at the repository application Aug 20 06:17:14 well first you have to install git Aug 20 06:17:17 then you run Aug 20 06:17:18 git clone git@git.webosinternals.org:applications/preware.git Aug 20 06:17:27 i think i was being sarcastic Aug 20 06:17:56 it is asking me for a password Aug 20 06:18:18 idk about that Aug 20 06:18:23 i dont remember being asked :/ Aug 20 06:18:30 * oil doesn't know much about git Aug 20 06:18:38 git@git.webosinternals.org's password: Aug 20 06:18:39 more of a svn guy myself Aug 20 06:18:43 thats what it ask :/ Aug 20 06:18:45 ask rwhitby Aug 20 06:18:50 rwhitby: any idea? Aug 20 06:19:53 looks like hes not paying attention :/ Aug 20 06:20:38 oh, for cloning, use the first url, not the second Aug 20 06:20:53 huuhhhh? Aug 20 06:21:15 * oil just pushed 0.6.1 Aug 20 06:21:20 rwhitby: lol, sorry, im lost. Aug 20 06:22:26 oil: give him the anonymous cloning url, not the authenticated push url Aug 20 06:23:36 * oil doesnt know it Aug 20 06:23:43 i was linked that by puff when he said it moved Aug 20 06:24:05 * Decimation is just anxious to test out new builds. Aug 20 06:24:26 git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:/applications/preware.git Aug 20 06:24:47 lol @ being "unknown" in the commit log Aug 20 06:25:06 oil: yeah, that just ask for a password. Aug 20 06:25:13 i guess theres some other URL i need that you dont have Aug 20 06:25:20 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=summary Aug 20 06:25:27 he said the second one, right? Aug 20 06:26:49 Decimation Aug 20 06:26:51 ojn that page Aug 20 06:27:02 click snapshot next to the one that says master Aug 20 06:27:08 the top one in the commit logt Aug 20 06:27:16 that will download package of it Aug 20 06:27:19 you can then unzip it Aug 20 06:27:26 and use palm-package/palm-install Aug 20 06:27:27 hah Aug 20 06:27:30 nice, thanks Aug 20 06:29:30 I LOVE THE SORTING OIL Aug 20 06:29:35 goodness, nice. Aug 20 06:29:59 icons didnt load on the first 6 apps though Aug 20 06:30:24 restarted the app, nvm. Aug 20 06:30:28 webos-internals/*.git 404'ing?? Aug 20 06:31:18 maybe this client (ughk( Aug 20 06:32:00 urg, why do all of these elements i add have to give me issues? Aug 20 06:32:06 this friggin button! Aug 20 06:32:44 my b. Aug 20 06:35:16 lol, i change apps names, and icons Aug 20 06:35:21 just to make my launcher look prettier Aug 20 06:35:37 and EVERYTIME the dev updates it.. i have to do it all over again Aug 20 06:35:39 so annoying :P Aug 20 06:36:26 haha Aug 20 06:37:03 oil Aug 20 06:37:06 ? Aug 20 06:37:14 in your spare time, maybe you could work on making a simple app for this :) Aug 20 06:37:16 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/199187-bluff-my-call-app.html Aug 20 06:37:21 what else do i need for a button to work? i have the div with x-mojo-element="Button" and i setup the widget Aug 20 06:38:02 it's on a pushed scene... and when i return... i get "TypeError: Object saveButton has no method 'addEventListener'" Aug 20 06:39:48 is anyone available to answer a question about webos gps tracking? Aug 20 06:41:14 anyone? Aug 20 06:41:21 i can't Aug 20 06:41:23 oil: so do we want a 0.7.0 release with sorting? Aug 20 06:41:41 ive still got more stuff i want to add Aug 20 06:41:47 sup ChanServ? Aug 20 06:41:49 er... cha0tics0ul Aug 20 06:41:57 yes? Aug 20 06:42:00 maybe 0.7.0 = when precentral gets the extra metadata out Aug 20 06:42:02 whats the q? Aug 20 06:42:16 can someone tell me or link me to an example of putting a button widget in a list ? Aug 20 06:43:00 oh sry, slow connection. On the gps tracking, where it sends the location of my phone to my email, it also seems to leave a message in my text inbox. Is there any way to stop that? Aug 20 06:43:33 rwhitby: feel free to make an ipk for it at 0.6.1 though Aug 20 06:44:19 oil: have you bumped appinfo.json? Aug 20 06:44:23 in the Patch webOS GPS tracking wiki page, im using the script at the bottom Aug 20 06:44:25 yeah Aug 20 06:45:01 if i have an element in HTML linked to a variable... how do i update that element? Aug 20 06:45:24 hmmm, might have found it Aug 20 06:46:15 is there anyway i could get GUI file viewing on the emulator like i do on my pre Aug 20 06:46:21 like.. with my pre.. i ssh in with winscp Aug 20 06:46:27 can i do something similar with the emulator? Aug 20 06:49:46 anybody? Aug 20 06:49:57 * oil has no clue Aug 20 06:52:01 oil: major bug in 0.6.1 Aug 20 06:52:06 thats no good Aug 20 06:52:19 you're using a US date format. Aug 20 06:52:26 lol Aug 20 06:52:32 :P Aug 20 06:52:36 forgot others do it backwards Aug 20 06:52:37 thats major? lol Aug 20 06:52:54 oil: can you do 24 Jan 2009 ? Aug 20 06:53:08 i think palm has locale stuff Aug 20 06:53:11 i can switch it around Aug 20 06:53:18 but, im done working on it for today Aug 20 06:53:38 no probs. I'll take a look at it. Aug 20 06:53:48 (if you don't mind) Aug 20 06:53:50 app-view-assistant.js Aug 20 06:53:53 formatDate() Aug 20 06:54:32 thx Aug 20 06:55:10 are the apps from precentral ever going to get correct sections? Aug 20 06:55:20 or are they always just going to fill up 'misc' Aug 20 06:55:55 rwhitby i thought there was a gitorous.com/preware.git Aug 20 06:56:01 u rmd it Aug 20 06:56:22 git.webos-internals.org Aug 20 06:56:26 oc80z: git.webosinternals.org/applications/preware.git or git.webosinternals.org/preware/build.git Aug 20 06:56:59 oil: http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_toLocaleDateString.asp ? Aug 20 06:57:20 and leave off the time? Aug 20 06:57:34 less precise Aug 20 06:57:37 but its fine with me Aug 20 06:57:54 (of course, after i went through the trouble converting military time to am/pm style) Aug 20 06:57:54 lol Aug 20 06:58:22 otherwise, I put in a "Jan", "Feb", "Mar", array and index it ... Aug 20 06:58:53 and change "LAST UPDATE" to "UPDATED" to give more space Aug 20 06:59:34 http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Format.html Aug 20 07:00:34 cool Aug 20 07:00:50 i didnt even think about it until you mentioned it was backwards Aug 20 07:01:58 BTW, the rest looks awesome Aug 20 07:02:04 well thats good Aug 20 07:02:11 though most of that information will probably be moved Aug 20 07:02:18 once we get descriptions/screenshots Aug 20 07:02:53 heh - I like it just as it is :-), but yeah. Aug 20 07:03:05 the original mockup was just to display descriptions and screenshots there Aug 20 07:03:24 and put the rest under the info button Aug 20 07:04:47 yeah, most people prefer pictures to packaging facts .... Aug 20 07:04:52 anyone played with the file picker? Aug 20 07:05:12 so would anyone know how to remove the text notifications from webos gps tracking script? Aug 20 07:05:28 no, and noidea Aug 20 07:08:39 is there a doubletap event to listen for ? Aug 20 07:09:02 http://www.palm.com/us/search/developer.html?search=double%20tap Aug 20 07:10:12 The homebrew grey market economy has just become: http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/mob/1321861664.html Aug 20 07:10:23 s/become/begun/ Aug 20 07:10:23 rwhitby meant: The homebrew grey market economy has just begun: http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/mob/1321861664.html Aug 20 07:11:06 wow Aug 20 07:11:28 well, now aunt minnie has someone who can do it for her Aug 20 07:11:29 hahaha Aug 20 07:15:07 * rwhitby posts http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1835488 Aug 20 07:16:46 rwhitby: hah, dearborn.. right by me. Aug 20 07:19:30 * rwhitby updates http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/196977-towards-open-interoperable-homebrew-ecosystem.html Aug 20 07:19:58 Decimation: go visit him, and show him Preware in action. That will blow his mind ... Aug 20 07:20:29 im going to contact him, asking about it.. Aug 20 07:20:46 only need one more app and Preware hit the 150 apps available mark Aug 20 07:21:21 if he makes any false claims, ill immediately call him out on it, then ask him what his precentral username is Aug 20 07:21:25 that'll mess with him :P Aug 20 07:22:24 rwhitby: Available Applications (158) Aug 20 07:22:28 ask him his precentral name first, so that you can recommend him to others ;-) Aug 20 07:22:56 rwhitby: THAT IS MY COUSIN. Aug 20 07:22:58 (before you call him out) Aug 20 07:23:06 rwhitby: you just found a link to an add my cousin posted.. Aug 20 07:23:37 nah, you're pulling my leg. Aug 20 07:23:42 no, im not. Aug 20 07:23:56 thats my cousin... lives by my grandma, in dearborn. Aug 20 07:24:15 did you teach him how to homebrew? Aug 20 07:24:20 nope. Aug 20 07:24:32 i told him about the palm pre though Aug 20 07:24:52 a month before it came out.. i was telling him all about it Aug 20 07:25:05 probably got palm a sale :P Aug 20 07:25:20 how CRAZY is that. Aug 20 07:28:18 is there a way to enable and disable buttons? Aug 20 07:28:33 yes Aug 20 07:28:58 do i know how? Aug 20 07:29:03 not off the top of my head Aug 20 07:29:08 $('saveSettings').disabled = false? Aug 20 07:29:11 developer.palm.com is your friend Aug 20 07:29:17 very true Aug 20 07:29:24 i keep searching it Aug 20 07:56:29 Brace yourselves, Preware has hit PreCentral (someone posted a thread on it): http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/199090-preware.html Aug 20 07:56:42 anyone know how to use setWidgetModel or modelChanged to enable or disable buttons? Aug 20 07:56:58 *boom* Aug 20 08:04:01 rwhitby: did you turn visible to true before packaging that version of teh ipkg service? Aug 20 08:04:20 oil: I didn't touch appinfo.json at all Aug 20 08:04:50 huh Aug 20 08:04:54 i wonder why it shows up then Aug 20 08:05:18 could have just removed the temporary startup object, and it wouldn't have displayed "dangerous service" Aug 20 08:10:55 hmm, suddenly ssh is no longer working on my pre Aug 20 08:13:33 oil: the Dangerous Service page is a good reminder to people of why we need that page ;-) Aug 20 08:18:39 rwhitby, is there a plan to load the sections for the precentral apps so there isn't a gigantic misc category? Aug 20 08:19:14 any ideas why ssh on my pre is rejecting remote connections? Aug 20 08:19:32 * oil doesn't know anything about sshing to the pre Aug 20 08:22:21 rwhitby, think the issues i had upgrading the terminal app have pooched something in sshd? Aug 20 08:22:34 acydlord: I doubt it. Aug 20 08:22:38 oil: looking at that now Aug 20 08:23:29 hmm, and a reboot didnt help Aug 20 08:23:52 what are the ipkg-opt packages i'd need to remove to reinstall sshd? Aug 20 08:26:12 nvm, remembered its using dropbear Aug 20 08:32:46 weirdsauce, my ssh port got changed to 22 instead of 222 sometime between yesterday and today Aug 20 08:36:48 anyone have issues with try and catch with a pushed scene? Aug 20 08:36:54 they don't seem to work for me Aug 20 08:37:08 well, i'm not getting proper error handling from what i can tell Aug 20 08:41:00 * acydlord fires up webosdoctor Aug 20 08:41:31 urg, oh how i wish i could debug properly Aug 20 08:41:53 i can't even get error handling to work right Aug 20 08:49:39 oil: categories work now Aug 20 08:49:55 it's live as of now - you don't have to do anything to the app. Aug 20 08:50:59 oil: but there seems to be a bug in the app, so I'll turn it off again. Aug 20 08:55:50 let me check it out Aug 20 08:56:27 huh Aug 20 08:56:47 yeah Aug 20 08:56:59 ill check it out tomorrow and then you can turn it back on Aug 20 08:58:21 its in the same field obviously Aug 20 08:58:36 it builds the list Aug 20 08:59:04 its not a problem with spaces, cause ones without spaces dont work either Aug 20 08:59:33 it does look much nicer with more categories Aug 20 09:01:22 but Aug 20 09:01:35 ill let you know tomorrow when i go to work on it, you can enable it for testing Aug 20 09:01:44 im goin to sleep though Aug 20 09:04:51 brb Aug 20 09:06:50 oil: I turned it back on, and I'm trying to fix it Aug 20 09:07:49 ok, I've fixed it. Pushing 0.6.2 to the repo. Aug 20 09:07:59 what was it? Aug 20 09:10:39 oil: all the case manipulation. I just ripped it all out ;-) Aug 20 09:10:47 0.6.2 is in the feeds Aug 20 09:11:15 oil: you did a toLower() when moving to the list scene Aug 20 09:11:28 ah Aug 20 09:11:29 which was fine when sections were all lower case Aug 20 09:11:33 yeah Aug 20 09:11:59 should just add the capitalize style to the category list Aug 20 09:12:14 and the dropdown needs a smaller width (longer category names make it go to a second line) Aug 20 09:12:33 it still works, just looks a little funny Aug 20 09:13:17 hmm - still a bug in there Aug 20 09:13:36 go into a category, it displays fine. Aug 20 09:13:51 select a different category from the dropdown at the top right, empty list Aug 20 09:14:09 I'll let you deal with that one - I need to head home :-) Aug 20 09:14:19 and i need to hit the sack Aug 20 09:14:19 I have no outstanding local changes. Aug 20 09:14:28 yeah, ill fix that stuff tomorrow Aug 20 09:14:31 later Aug 20 09:16:19 * rwhitby bbl Aug 20 10:22:45 rwhitby, you still around? Aug 20 11:00:13 yo anyone around? Aug 20 11:32:57 acydlord: yep Aug 20 11:39:15 oil: found the other bug Aug 20 11:59:28 Good morning all Aug 20 12:01:05 morning jcrawford Aug 20 12:01:18 morning Aug 20 12:32:53 Preware categories should now be working as of 0.6.4 Aug 20 12:49:23 what is the preware patch utility? and what does it do? Aug 20 12:50:51 it's the GNU patch tool, compiled for the Pre or the Emulator Aug 20 12:51:24 I'm developing a WebOS Patch ipkg for the virtual keyboard, which will use that to install and remove itself. Aug 20 12:52:47 will it also be used to to install all the other patches? (eventually of course) Aug 20 12:55:01 any that are turned into ipkgs, yes. Aug 20 12:55:47 oh ok, thanks Aug 20 12:56:43 will it always be a separate utility from Preware itself? or just for the time being? Aug 20 12:57:00 it's not a utility, it's GNU patch, a command line tool. Aug 20 12:57:49 Preware installs the WebOS Patch ipkg. The ipkg depends on org.webosinternals.patch, so it can call the command line utility as part of the postinst and prerm scripts. Aug 20 12:58:50 ok, I think I understand a little better Aug 20 13:00:08 it means the WebOS Patch ipkg can be installed by any tool that handles dependencies and postinst/prerm scripts. Preware 1.0.0 will be one such tool. WebOS Quick Install is almost another such tool (it lacks dependency handing at the moment, so you would need to install the Patch utility first) Aug 20 13:00:50 rwhitby: thank you Aug 20 13:00:58 I've been hoping someone would write that Aug 20 13:01:05 rwhitby, why don't you work for palm lol you know so much :) Aug 20 13:01:20 * mrjcarter thinks he secretly does Aug 20 13:01:20 jcrawford: they don't have an office in Australia Aug 20 13:01:26 Palm lacks an office in adelaide.... Aug 20 13:01:36 gmta Aug 20 13:01:42 hah :) Aug 20 13:01:48 work remotely or move to them :D Aug 20 13:01:58 shit... have them move to you Aug 20 13:02:12 plus, honestly, at the rate we're going, the webos internals team will, collectively, know MORE than anyone that works at palm, since we're so actively extending the os. Aug 20 13:02:23 Hi, Aug 20 13:02:25 need help Aug 20 13:02:33 each of us has a slice. COLLECTIVELY we're freaking brillient Aug 20 13:02:47 I wonna create a version of my language support the WebOS Aug 20 13:02:50 so modest too .... Aug 20 13:02:57 lol Aug 20 13:03:09 What I Should do? where The virtual keyborad files stored? Aug 20 13:03:27 that's the power of a 24 hour a day, international, open source initiative. If it's worth doing, "build it and they will come." becomes true. Aug 20 13:03:29 and How to add to the Language selected menu an options? Aug 20 13:03:49 plz help me. Aug 20 13:03:52 Thanks.. Aug 20 13:03:52 DdAaDd: Welcome. Aug 20 13:04:03 DdAaDd: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=webos/modifications.git;a=tree;f=frameworks;h=213531ef3c6f3b18cf0c9f4d784c3323178b20e4;hb=HEAD Aug 20 13:04:29 to add a language, you would need to edit the patch file in that directory Aug 20 13:04:49 which Directory? Aug 20 13:05:03 is there a current way to rotate photos on the device? Aug 20 13:05:03 the one I just pasted the URL for Aug 20 13:05:13 or do i have to pull them to the computer rotate and put them back? Aug 20 13:05:22 DdAaDd: that's the directory that holds virtual keyboard. Aug 20 13:05:37 if you are talking about adding a language set to webOS, that's a different question Aug 20 13:05:59 yea but which directory holds the virtual keyboard? Aug 20 13:06:13 and I don't KNOW the answer, but if you search for "spanish" in the framework files in sdk/share after loading the sdk, then you'll have the right place Aug 20 13:06:17 DdAaDd, the url rwhitby posted above is where you can find the virtual keyboard Aug 20 13:07:16 DdAaDd: the pieces listed as "blob" are the text of the patchs. The pieces listed as patch are the patches THEMSELVES Aug 20 13:07:56 there IS no "program" Virtual keyboard is a MODIFICATION to the framework of webOS itself. Aug 20 13:08:10 it MODIFIES webos, it isn't a "thing by itself" Aug 20 13:08:40 Ok, Aug 20 13:08:49 the CODE for the virtual keyboard becomes part of framework.js which is the essential code of webOS Aug 20 13:08:51 Now can I access those files from Windows? Aug 20 13:08:56 Can someone please check the following md5sums on a real Pre ? Aug 20 13:08:57 sure, Aug 20 13:08:57 or noly in Unix ? Aug 20 13:09:06 0e5cbf40b9d2f9856600169cc690200e *./usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js Aug 20 13:09:06 cfefea45f252b28e62cbd719bdc358d6 *./usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/global.css Aug 20 13:09:10 no, you can access them. Aug 20 13:09:16 Using? Aug 20 13:09:35 DdAaDd: which pages from the webos-internals.org wiki have you read so far? Aug 20 13:09:38 use any web browser to download the patch files, or any web browser to view the blobs. Aug 20 13:09:58 The tar.gz file with the theme images you have to use something like 7-zip to open. Aug 20 13:10:01 wow a lot was done to make that onscreen keyboard eh Aug 20 13:10:03 lots of code :D Aug 20 13:10:19 But DdAaDd if you're asking those questions, you haven't done enough research yet to be ready to do this job Aug 20 13:10:38 I see that.. Aug 20 13:10:45 go to the wiki and read EVERYTHING about patching webOS and mofications, and installing patches. and basic linux operation Aug 20 13:10:55 because YOU may be on windows but the Pre is on linux. Aug 20 13:11:00 md5sums? anyone? it will help get an ipkg for the virtual keyboard quicker .... Aug 20 13:11:03 so you have no choice, you HAVE to learn it. Aug 20 13:11:20 rwhitby: unmodified without patches? Aug 20 13:11:26 Rick_home: correct, virgin. Aug 20 13:11:43 in THIS chat room? Aug 20 13:11:54 I acceess using novaterm Aug 20 13:11:58 is it ok? Aug 20 13:12:05 sure' it's fine Aug 20 13:12:09 or is there better way? Aug 20 13:12:22 for editing and accessing? Aug 20 13:12:23 files.. Aug 20 13:12:30 but DdAaDd really, as much as I hate to say this, GO READ THE WIKI.... really. Aug 20 13:12:30 DdAaDd: which wiki pages have you read? Aug 20 13:12:44 the basic stuff.. Aug 20 13:12:53 rwhitby: why can't we md5sum the ones from the doctor? Aug 20 13:13:03 Rick_home: I did, this is to confirm. Aug 20 13:13:09 also should i inestall a virtualbox in linux? Aug 20 13:13:25 install* Aug 20 13:13:35 rwhitby: I sincerely doubt you are going to find a virgin framework on a pre in here. Aug 20 13:13:48 DdAaDd: are you RUNNING linux? Aug 20 13:13:57 DdAaDd: you should install the Pre SDK and Emulator, yes. The directions for that are on developer.palm.com Aug 20 13:14:22 Rick_home: ah, but it should be just a quilt pop -a away, right? Aug 20 13:14:32 did Aug 20 13:14:41 on windows i installed also virtualbox Aug 20 13:14:53 but I askwed about linux installation Aug 20 13:15:01 hrm Aug 20 13:15:04 should I also install there virtualbox? Aug 20 13:15:06 cough cough. there's SHOULD -- but saddly, I did a bunch of patches before I started messing with quilt Aug 20 13:15:13 sorry Rod. Aug 20 13:15:27 no probs, it'll get tested sooner or later :-) Aug 20 13:15:28 ok, poof -- going to an appointement -- back in about 4 hours. Aug 20 13:15:54 Rick_home: -watercooler for that one too? Aug 20 13:25:44 anyone else got the emulator open? Aug 20 13:26:10 can you check whether these two files exist in your copy of the emulator? Aug 20 13:26:23 "/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js" Aug 20 13:26:31 "/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/global.css" Aug 20 13:26:43 * Templarian checks Aug 20 13:26:49 for some reason, my emulator has 191_14 instead of 191_15 Aug 20 13:27:43 mines 14 also Aug 20 13:28:20 How do you telnet into the emulator? Special port? Aug 20 13:28:31 /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/ and of course that folder is /191_14/ Aug 20 13:28:43 Hi Aug 20 13:28:49 I access it using novaterm Aug 20 13:28:51 s/_/./ Aug 20 13:28:53 mine is 191.14 too Aug 20 13:29:13 DdAaDd: you can just ssh also. Aug 20 13:29:34 So no-one has tested the virtual keyboard on the emulator then? Aug 20 13:29:58 no gesture area on the emulator Aug 20 13:29:59 rwhitby: n?ope, but what does that have to do with the framework version number Aug 20 13:30:09 Templarian: the patch modifies those files Aug 20 13:30:15 * Templarian hates accidently hitting the trackpad, wish it had a sensor. Aug 20 13:30:18 The patch goes against a certain file and version Aug 20 13:30:20 Just last thing.. Aug 20 13:30:35 where Is the FrameWork library? Aug 20 13:30:43 under which folder? Aug 20 13:30:50 "/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/" Aug 20 13:31:16 and one last thing.. Aug 20 13:31:32 find is search all subfolders also? Aug 20 13:31:52 are you asking about the Linux find(1) utility? Aug 20 13:31:57 yep Aug 20 13:32:06 how to search for string in file ? Aug 20 13:32:07 yes, by default it searches subfolders Aug 20 13:32:21 or for folder name in all subfolders? Aug 20 13:32:22 find . -type f -print | xargs grep string Aug 20 13:32:31 Thanks Aug 20 13:32:37 find . -type d -print | grep folder-name Aug 20 13:33:02 DdAaDd: no probs - have fun. Aug 20 13:33:10 in the path u gave me Aug 20 13:33:16 what I should have? Aug 20 13:33:25 DdAaDd: Pre or Emulator? Aug 20 13:33:30 emulator Aug 20 13:33:36 use 191.14 instead Aug 20 13:33:40 yes Aug 20 13:33:45 but what in it? Aug 20 13:34:02 I see resources folder Aug 20 13:34:16 6 directories, 2 files Aug 20 13:34:21 which contain lots of languages support? Aug 20 13:34:41 I didn't know that the current release of the Pre had language support. Aug 20 13:35:05 So where I can read about those 6 directories and 2 files Aug 20 13:35:13 what each of tham is? Aug 20 13:36:31 u know where? Aug 20 13:36:39 You cannot. There is no documentation regarding those directories. Aug 20 13:36:47 So how I know? Aug 20 13:36:55 You will need to read and understand the source code. Aug 20 13:36:58 from asking here? Aug 20 13:37:16 Not until you've read and understood the source code, unfortunately. Aug 20 13:37:34 O. Aug 20 13:37:35 Ok. Aug 20 13:37:55 Your other option is to ask egaudet_zzzz nicely when he wakes up. Aug 20 13:38:05 and he is? Aug 20 13:38:16 the author of the virtual keyboard patch Aug 20 13:38:33 Ok... Aug 20 13:40:58 the file next to the blob Aug 20 13:41:10 where I his path? Aug 20 13:41:27 DdAaDd: if you can install ack you'll have a lot less piping going on. Aug 20 13:41:39 betterthangrep.com Aug 20 13:41:51 i highly recommend it become part of any admin's toolbox. Aug 20 13:42:38 u're all working on linux system? Aug 20 13:42:50 i'm working on a pre Aug 20 13:42:57 i stopped using the emulator when I got the pre. Aug 20 13:43:12 DdAaDd: that is a git repository. google can tell you all about the git software configuration management tool, and how to access the files from that repository. Aug 20 13:43:19 and on which system u program to it? Aug 20 13:43:27 me? on none Aug 20 13:43:33 i generally do webapps. Aug 20 13:43:44 i'm about 1/2 through Part 1 of the Rhino Aug 20 13:43:48 macosx with ubuntu server and emulator running in virtualbox. Aug 20 13:44:02 so i'll be digging in to the js programming soon. Aug 20 13:44:34 thus far i've done most of my stuff in a debian chroot and c/python/ruby on the pre Aug 20 13:44:43 cause i don't want to mess up the core system (again) Aug 20 13:44:51 well, this difference between the files on the emulator and the files on the Pre has just taken the wind out of my patch ipkg development :-( Aug 20 13:45:05 and it's too late to try and create a patch that will work on the emulator. Aug 20 13:45:24 so if someone else can create a patch that can work on the emulator for the virtual keyboard, I'll start to package it up again. Aug 20 13:45:39 So let me Understand. Aug 20 13:45:42 I create Patch Aug 20 13:45:50 and after creating it Aug 20 13:45:55 I just run it? Aug 20 13:46:04 the pre's mojo file is different than the emulator's mojo file ? Aug 20 13:46:18 that how to Develop new stuff like another language support? Aug 20 13:46:30 Or I Just edit those files.. Aug 20 13:46:35 and run it again? Aug 20 13:47:15 bpadalino|work: yep. Aug 20 13:47:24 terrible :( Aug 20 13:47:25 bpadalino|work: my work so far is in http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=patches/virtual-keyboard/Makefile;h=c6f081fcd57d40cebaf5f4a724c8490de4e8061f;hb=HEAD Aug 20 13:47:58 it should get the images, the patch file, and a custom-made md5sum file onto the pre Aug 20 13:48:17 (the custom md5sum file is to make sure the files are pristine before patching) Aug 20 13:48:47 all that's left to do is run /var/usr/bin/patch with the patch file Aug 20 13:49:08 but I need a patch I can test on the emulator before doing that. Aug 20 13:49:28 :( Aug 20 13:50:00 egaudet_zzzz: can you change the images/virt_kb directory to images/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard please? then we can be sure of no collisions with future palm files in that images directory. Aug 20 13:50:57 After I created a patch Aug 20 13:51:01 how to run it? Aug 20 13:51:15 DdAaDd: please read the Applying_Patches wiki page. Aug 20 13:51:21 Ok Aug 20 13:52:22 in general, it's a good idea to search the wiki before asking each question. you start with a certain credit of questions that can be answered by google or the wiki. as you ask each question that can be answered those ways, your credit drops by a bit. once you hit zero, I stop responding :-) Aug 20 13:53:06 * rwhitby bbt - night all. Aug 20 13:54:02 yo Aug 20 13:54:07 wsup wsup Aug 20 13:54:13 has anyoone got gcc onto the pre yet? Aug 20 13:54:42 I think you setup a debian jail and do such with it Aug 20 13:54:47 there's an article on the wiki Aug 20 13:55:01 also they have info on cross compiling Aug 20 13:55:05 oppiz: just cross-compile, much easier and faster. Aug 20 13:55:29 has anyone rebuilts gstreamer and replaced what's their, with added codecs? Aug 20 13:58:01 silence says it all Aug 20 13:59:45 oppiz: lol Aug 20 14:00:29 yeah i like the pre so far, but most of my music os ogg Aug 20 14:08:10 HOw to open for edit com.palm.app file? Aug 20 14:08:56 vi? Aug 20 14:11:38 it says that this file is not a regular file . Aug 20 14:11:59 and there is no code in it Aug 20 14:12:04 What to do? Aug 20 14:12:12 perhaps its a binary and cant be edited Aug 20 14:12:43 So How should I add stuff to it? Aug 20 14:12:56 To menu options? Aug 20 14:15:02 can someone tell me or link me to an example of putting a button widget in a list ? Aug 20 14:20:30 DdAaDd: what are you trying to do Aug 20 14:21:01 Joman: im not to sure maybe someone else here can help you but i know over at developer.palm.com you can find alot of answers also Aug 20 14:21:30 atlanta: people don't post up very often in the forums there Aug 20 14:21:44 More often than you think Aug 20 14:21:51 but hopefully someone here can help u Aug 20 14:22:01 Joman: what are you trying to get as your final outcome Aug 20 14:24:50 some of these install docs talk about "scp" ... I didn't find any ssh tools in castle... am I missing it? Aug 20 14:28:45 where I Can find lange.json file? Aug 20 14:29:14 the language json file Aug 20 14:29:31 yea Aug 20 14:29:45 what it's path? Aug 20 14:33:48 anyone can help me? Aug 20 14:36:54 jettero: you have to install dropbear and openssh Aug 20 14:41:01 hello, when a process crashes on WebOS, where are the mini core dumps written to? Aug 20 14:43:40 anyone can help me? Aug 20 14:44:59 atlanta: i want to achieve something like the in the contacts area where they have an SMS button besides each phone item Aug 20 14:45:24 Joman: one second let me see if i can help u Aug 20 14:46:36 what is dropbear? Aug 20 14:46:48 a self contained ssh Aug 20 14:47:38 http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html Aug 20 14:47:40 oh, you need optware to install it? Aug 20 14:47:47 jettero: yup Aug 20 14:48:05 are there disadvantages to installing optware? Aug 20 14:48:17 some Aug 20 14:48:22 you could also debian jail it Aug 20 14:48:30 i dont believe some if any pros out weigh them Aug 20 14:51:12 has anyone succeeded in running gdb on the WebOS emulator? Aug 20 14:55:29 howdy Aug 20 14:56:36 you have to crosscompile optware? Aug 20 14:56:42 I imagined there'd be an installer for it Aug 20 14:57:37 hey Joman they just used css to add it to the div Aug 20 14:57:42 of each list item Aug 20 14:57:56 egaudet_work: wsup my man Aug 20 14:58:23 whats up atlanta Aug 20 14:58:34 nada at work surfing for a ltitle Aug 20 14:59:37 anyone know how to save yahoo videos? i can save youtube but the crockford videos i want are only on yahoo Aug 20 14:59:48 damn sound on linux is finicky so i want to put the vids on my pre Aug 20 15:02:21 atlanta: hmmm i'm not sure i get it...if it's a list object, how do they refer to each button in each individual list item Aug 20 15:02:43 Joman: good question Aug 20 15:03:03 i just ran back a few things in the contacts app and the sms button was a div with a class on it Aug 20 15:03:12 look like they had the list on a template Aug 20 15:03:30 so each list item was formed from that template Aug 20 15:03:46 i could be wrong but thats what it looked like Aug 20 15:05:36 Joman, if you have widgets in a list, you have to give each name="" a unique value, it will reference them by this because id has to be unique completely for the entire page Aug 20 15:05:56 atlanta: sorry missed your pm last night Aug 20 15:06:43 PuffTheMagic: its all good knocked out shortly after Aug 20 15:06:45 Joman, and then you will reference each button that is in a list by using the name attribute Aug 20 15:06:59 PuffTheMagic: just was gonna learn a few things so i could help out Aug 20 15:12:51 where I Can find lange json file? Aug 20 15:12:53 anyone can help me? Aug 20 15:13:30 Joman, this is from the webos book: http://webos.pastebin.com/m356f8b53 Aug 20 15:14:51 jcrawford: how do you give each list item a unique value since it's in a template ? Aug 20 15:15:22 makeUniqueId or something, there's a function Aug 20 15:15:41 Joman, why do you need to do that? Aug 20 15:15:51 Mojo knows what element you tap on etc. Aug 20 15:19:00 jcrawford: how do i setup a button widget if i don't have a unique id? Aug 20 15:19:25 Joman, if you are putting a button in a list item, you set names for the buttons Aug 20 15:19:32 don't i need to do setupwidget(buttonid) ? Aug 20 15:19:37 you cannot reference the buttons by id because the names need to be unique Aug 20 15:19:59 did you read that paste i posted Aug 20 15:20:06 that is an excerpt from the WebOS Book Aug 20 15:20:15 let me check it out Aug 20 15:21:49 you will need to somehow give them unique names Aug 20 15:22:03 i suggest you buy the webos book i am sure they cover it in the book :) Aug 20 15:22:12 yeah i'm not sure how to give them unique names if they are in a template Aug 20 15:22:16 I have not seen any tutorials but this does give me an idea for my next tutorial :D Aug 20 15:23:44 Joman, read the "renderWidget()" function of CharSelector in /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js Aug 20 15:26:16 anyone played with error handling on multiple scenes? Aug 20 15:26:32 mine doesn't appear to work on my 2nd scene that was pushed Aug 20 15:27:01 renderwidget? what should i be looking for ? Aug 20 15:27:51 where I Can find lange json file? Aug 20 15:27:53 anyone can help me? Aug 20 15:32:47 Joman, CharSelector uses a template of characters Aug 20 15:33:24 this.divPrefix is a unique id created by makeUniqueId or some similar function Aug 20 15:33:32 they then use item template call Aug 20 15:33:41 to setup widget Aug 20 15:33:55 I do'nt have access to the code at work so I can't be specific Aug 20 15:35:47 ok thanks...i'll investigate it further Aug 20 15:38:04 is there a better way to debug than using errordialogs? Aug 20 15:38:15 they don't seem to wait for me to click ok Aug 20 15:38:45 I think the common way is to wrap things in try/catch, use Mojo.Log.error, and then read the logfiles. Aug 20 15:38:56 can i do that for the emulator? Aug 20 15:39:02 i've got the try catch sections Aug 20 15:39:06 Yes. Aug 20 15:39:15 where can i view those log files? Aug 20 15:39:38 syslog Aug 20 15:39:45 tail -f /var/log/messages Aug 20 15:39:52 I think you ssh to localhost:5522 Aug 20 15:39:59 ahhh okay Aug 20 15:40:10 ssh or can i telnet? Aug 20 15:40:28 never tried telnet, but I think you need to ssh Aug 20 15:40:37 I use putty. pop in, login and pass is root Aug 20 15:40:48 then run that command and you can leave it opena s your app runs to watch the output Aug 20 15:41:06 okay, that should work... i was wondering if i could do that on the emulator Aug 20 15:41:17 I need to learn to use the debugger. Last time I checked, the page on the website was way less than useful. Aug 20 15:41:19 you can also use novaterm with the emulator Aug 20 15:41:58 I used the inspector Aug 20 15:42:08 it was cool for looking at CSS and not much else Aug 20 15:42:14 i tried using the inspector, seemed to suck Aug 20 15:42:35 use komodo with Templarian's addon. Aug 20 15:43:11 http://webos.templarian.com/komodo/ Aug 20 15:43:31 its really cool stuff Aug 20 15:43:42 i was considering using komodo at first Aug 20 15:43:57 i'm guessing it's better than eclipse? Aug 20 15:44:21 I dont know about "better" Aug 20 15:44:23 different yes Aug 20 15:44:33 HattCzech: whether komodo is better than eclipse is debatable, but i think Templarian's plugin, at the moment, is better than palm's plugin for wbeos Aug 20 15:44:36 It's far better AnOutsider. lol Aug 20 15:44:41 or, at least, it seems to be Aug 20 15:44:59 s/it seems to be/it seems so to me Aug 20 15:45:17 (eclipse is still great for other languages just not so much for webOS work) Aug 20 15:46:24 * Templarian goes back to learning pyxpcom components so he can get debugging working. Aug 20 15:47:12 Templarian: have there been alot of updates to the addons since predevcamp? Aug 20 15:47:34 I think just a few Tools > Addons > Check for updates. Aug 20 15:47:48 (dont have it installed right now) Aug 20 15:47:52 I think they're moving away fromt he toolkit, but yes I use komodo and it works well. I just prefer using CSS in dreamweaver Aug 20 15:48:07 i had it installed on my netbook, but installed winXP tablet over it Aug 20 15:48:22 havent really had a chance to do more webos stuff since predevcamp, unfortunately. Aug 20 15:48:35 AnOutsider: I discontinued the toolbox yesterday.... lol. Aug 20 15:49:43 haha didn't realize you were the developer Aug 20 15:50:30 lol. Yea I could see how you couldn't make that connection. hehe. Aug 20 15:50:50 hmmm, why is it telling me i don't have a method 'error' when i do? Aug 20 15:51:51 do functions need to be declared before calling them or something? Aug 20 15:52:16 haha I looked back at the url, then the username... then "doh'd" Aug 20 15:54:10 urg... can anyone help with this...? Aug 20 15:54:42 Error: EXCEPTION [Relaunch failed.], (TypeError): "Object # has no method 'error'" Aug 20 15:56:20 and why don't i see my Mojo.Log.info messages in the messages log? Aug 20 15:56:23 HattCzech: yes, a function needs to be define before use. Aug 20 15:56:30 i have it defined Aug 20 15:56:35 ok Aug 20 15:56:57 well, it's at the bottom... do i need to reference it at the top or something? Aug 20 15:57:11 to say that it exists? similar to c? Aug 20 15:57:55 HattCzech: try it, it is better to define a function before you use it, but that is not that important. Aug 20 15:58:30 okay, i'll play with that after lunch... Aug 20 16:08:18 Can someone help me with committing my patch? Aug 20 16:14:11 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches Aug 20 16:16:26 Abyssul, what have you patched if you don't mind me asking? Aug 20 16:16:53 4 by 4 app launcher grid Aug 20 16:17:03 Instead of the 5 by 5 Aug 20 16:17:32 Mainly to see if I can make a working patch Aug 20 16:19:01 any reason the terminal guys switched to 0.2.0 instead of 0.1.10 for latest release? Aug 20 16:22:17 AT LAST, CATEGORIES FOR APPS. Aug 20 16:27:49 preware or appcat? Aug 20 16:32:14 where I Can find lange json file? Aug 20 16:32:17 anyone can help me? Aug 20 16:32:20 what it's path? Aug 20 16:33:33 AnOutsider: preware... whats appcat? :/ Aug 20 16:33:39 ? Aug 20 16:33:41 ?? Aug 20 16:34:51 ??? Aug 20 16:36:57 DdAaDd, what are you looking for? Aug 20 16:37:21 I'm looking to add to the menu list of the language select Aug 20 16:37:31 another language in the option Aug 20 16:37:40 just to add it's name to the list Aug 20 16:39:13 don't know sorry, and don't have access to code to find it at work sorry Aug 20 16:39:14 Got me? Aug 20 16:39:24 ok.. Aug 20 16:39:42 try looking around in /usr/palm/frameworks and /usr/lib/luna Aug 20 16:39:51 tried Aug 20 16:39:52 didnt Aug 20 16:39:54 find it Aug 20 16:39:57 how to edit menu? Aug 20 16:40:01 what menu Aug 20 16:40:12 in which file it is found? Aug 20 16:40:15 any menu.. Aug 20 16:40:20 just give me an example Aug 20 16:40:37 it's json file? Aug 20 16:40:43 or other type of file? Aug 20 16:41:45 it depends on the implementation, but usually is setup in javascript files using setupWidget() Aug 20 16:42:09 So all the menus written in *.js files? Aug 20 16:42:18 there is the app menu and device menus which are special Aug 20 16:42:55 DdAaDd, menus are usually setup/instantiated in .js files Aug 20 16:43:02 give me an example to file Aug 20 16:43:21 I don't have one, check out palm's mojo sdk Aug 20 16:43:34 the documentation for menus and other widgets Aug 20 16:44:18 http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Menu.html Aug 20 16:49:19 so where it is written? Aug 20 16:51:42 ? Aug 20 16:52:56 DdAaDd you need to take SOME APP and look at its code. Aug 20 16:53:08 which app? Aug 20 16:53:13 give me one Aug 20 16:53:31 use shopping list Aug 20 16:53:35 it's simple Aug 20 16:53:39 it has a custom menu Aug 20 16:53:43 it has multiple scenes. Aug 20 16:53:50 and it's VERY SIMPLE as mojo apps go. Aug 20 16:53:56 where those it saves? Aug 20 16:54:03 how to run it into palm pre Aug 20 16:54:14 that's my problems Aug 20 16:54:26 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/shopping-list Aug 20 16:54:32 get that program Aug 20 16:54:42 install the ipk on the pre Aug 20 16:54:44 run it. Aug 20 16:55:15 and take the ipk on your desktop and unpack it and look at the js files in the app directory and the html files Aug 20 16:55:30 ok Aug 20 16:56:19 DdAaDd also Aug 20 16:56:32 go read THIS set of messages on teh Precentral forum Aug 20 16:56:33 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/192313-instructional-beginners-hello-world-2-0-updated-7-16-a.html Aug 20 16:56:53 and follow along with that discussion using the code for the hello world 2 app Aug 20 16:57:06 again, SIMPLE app, designed as a tutorial on how to write mojo programs. Aug 20 16:57:30 then, when you have those, and you have the source code open, and if you have questions about why this or why that. Aug 20 16:57:33 Do that Aug 20 16:57:50 THEN DdAaDd then, come back and ask SPECIFIC QUESTIONS... in this file, at line such and such, why do that? Aug 20 16:58:08 the general stuff you're asking now is asking for a mojo programming CLASS and none such exists yet. Aug 20 16:58:25 I am writing a tutorial, palm sort of is writing one, but none exist yet. Aug 20 16:58:40 and the one and only book on programming mojo is a bad book. Aug 20 16:58:59 so, DdAaDd go read. I'm sorry to say that to you, but that's what you need to do. Aug 20 17:02:26 How to open IPK file and install it? Aug 20 17:24:04 has anyone here tried out the new on-screen keyboard? Aug 20 17:24:59 DdAaDd you do not open an ipk file to install it. Aug 20 17:25:04 DdAaDd are you on windows? Aug 20 17:25:16 Rick_work: surely you have tried it? Aug 20 17:25:20 PreMan the folks here WROTE the on screen keyboard. Aug 20 17:25:28 aha! Aug 20 17:25:41 sry to sound like an idiot, but i have a question then. Aug 20 17:25:42 specifically egaudet_work Aug 20 17:25:48 idiot away.... Aug 20 17:26:05 so is there any way to pull up this on-screen keyboard without sliding out hte hard keyboard and pressing the SYM? Aug 20 17:26:23 PreMan have you read the thread on precentral at all? Aug 20 17:26:27 or the wiki page? Aug 20 17:26:29 i've read the wiki Aug 20 17:26:35 it says you have to press SYM? Aug 20 17:26:55 because it is overriding the symbols table or w/e? Aug 20 17:27:42 PreMan I apologise. I profoundly thought that I had put that into the wiki page. Aug 20 17:28:13 since the second day, the on-screen keyboard has been patched so that it comes up when you tap on the GESTURE AREA next to the round silver button. Aug 20 17:28:19 if you are in a text field. Aug 20 17:28:29 the sym-key keyboard is untouched. Aug 20 17:28:56 The on-screen kb is an ADDITION to the system, not a mod of the sym keybaord. It started OUT as a mod, but morphed quickly Aug 20 17:28:57 I'm using windows Aug 20 17:29:09 ic, sweet.... but one of the issues at the bottom mentions contact searching/universal search... does this mean that if i'm just on the normal home screen or w/e, i can't pull up the keyboard and start typing in a contact name? Aug 20 17:29:50 Using Windows so how to open IPK file and install it? Aug 20 17:29:51 DdAaDd take the ipk and drag-and drop it onto palm-install.bat which the sdk installed into program files\palm\sdk\bin Aug 20 17:30:07 And how to extract it? Aug 20 17:30:22 DdAaDd you do NOT extract it to install it. Aug 20 17:30:30 but DdAaDd in order to look atthe sourc Aug 20 17:30:35 you extract it using 7-zip Aug 20 17:30:48 where palm-install.bat file is? Aug 20 17:30:56 http://www.7-zip.com Aug 20 17:31:03 find it Aug 20 17:31:14 Rick_work: am i right about the home screen typing in contact thing? Aug 20 17:31:15 open the ipk using 7-zip and drill down through the data folders to extract the applications Aug 20 17:31:39 PreMan that is true as of last night Aug 20 17:31:48 PreMan that should NOT be true as of tommorow night Aug 20 17:32:01 Rick_work: WOOT!!! Rick_work releases the breaking news! Aug 20 17:32:27 PreMan if you were in here last night you would have heard egaudet_work explain his clever plan Aug 20 17:33:15 Rick_work: icic, so he plans on being able to quickly type in a contact name and call without pulling the hard keyboard out by end of day 2maro? Aug 20 17:33:49 that is the hope Aug 20 17:33:54 hopes can be dashed ofcourse Aug 20 17:34:09 YESSSS! This is amazing news! I believe in egaudet_work!!!! He Shall Prevail! Aug 20 17:34:12 search turns out to be non-trivially hard. Aug 20 17:34:21 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198051-screen-keyboard-bugs-functionality-enhancements.html Aug 20 17:35:02 ever since i got the pre, i've wanted to be able to press the screen a couple times and be calling someone... but pulling out that hard keyboard is no fun Aug 20 17:37:07 Rick_work: so that forum is updated faster than the wiki correct? (aka i should check that out for the release of the universal/contact serach update instead of the wiki)? Aug 20 17:38:14 no Aug 20 17:38:18 they're updated together Aug 20 17:38:28 ok, thx for the info Aug 20 17:38:29 but the forum contains the discussion thread Aug 20 17:38:38 but I need to go edit the wiki about the gesture thing. Aug 20 17:38:40 :-( Aug 20 17:38:43 Is tere a platform to Write html Code for it? Aug 20 17:38:47 and JS files? Aug 20 17:38:51 DdAaDd there is Aug 20 17:38:56 there are two. Aug 20 17:39:15 Ok.. Aug 20 17:39:21 most of us here prefer Komodo edit (the free one) with Templarian's komodo ide add on Aug 20 17:39:30 http://webos.templarian.com Aug 20 17:39:41 others prefer eclipse with Palm's add-on. Aug 20 17:39:52 you can try both. (Templarians is better) Aug 20 17:40:13 Where I get palm's add on? Aug 20 17:40:24 developer.palm.com Aug 20 17:40:45 look for eclipse add ons? Aug 20 17:40:45 haha you can try either (but one sucks) haha Aug 20 17:41:04 Which one is better ? Aug 20 17:42:19 the komodo one Aug 20 17:42:27 which i'm about to setup Aug 20 17:42:49 Komodo is add on for something? Aug 20 17:42:49 or? Aug 20 17:43:17 Komodo is a free editor based on Scintilla Aug 20 17:43:18 http://www.activestate.com/komodo_edit/ Aug 20 17:43:35 Templarian has written an add on that turns that editor into a Mojo ide. Aug 20 17:43:35 So i should download first? Aug 20 17:43:46 download komodo first then go to templarian's site Aug 20 17:44:12 * Templarian grins and goes back to scripting. Aug 20 17:44:25 ive been using eclipse the last coupel days because I had to do some java work Aug 20 17:44:41 but if i HAD to choose, komodo is definitely better in its own way Aug 20 17:44:49 and not just cuz he's here :) Aug 20 17:44:53 eclipse has it's perks too tho Aug 20 17:46:03 Also get the Code Completion of Komodo? Aug 20 17:47:15 If you want Mojo auto complete (which eclipse lacks) Aug 20 17:48:33 urg, now i hate komodo Aug 20 17:48:40 hhhh.. Aug 20 17:48:55 haha Aug 20 17:49:14 i can't install it on my virtualxp because "the windows installer does not permit installation from a remote desktop connection" Aug 20 17:49:14 Any decent JS editor ought to give autocompletion for Mojo if you put Mojo libs into the project Aug 20 17:49:31 how the hell else am i supposed to install it?!?! Aug 20 17:49:39 If you want a really good (better than Aptana & co.) JS IDE, go for IntelliJ IDEA Aug 20 17:49:41 HattCzech: komodo edit or the IDE trial? Aug 20 17:49:53 Komodo-Edit-5.1.4-3797.msi Aug 20 17:50:09 HattCzech: let me go ask the Komodo developers on that one. Aug 20 17:50:16 okay, cool... thanks Aug 20 17:50:37 i'm already irritated with the fact that i have to use a virtualxp environment just to develop Aug 20 17:51:41 okay, looking at logs... why don't i see my Mojo.Log.info items in the /var/logs/messages log? Aug 20 17:52:30 HattCzech: what OS are you using, komodo should run on OSX Linux and Windows. Aug 20 17:52:52 win7 and trying to install on virtual xp Aug 20 17:53:33 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927063 Aug 20 17:54:22 (why not just install it on windows 7?) Aug 20 17:54:26 oh, it doesn't like me installing from my client computer Aug 20 17:54:45 can't install the sdk on win7 Aug 20 17:54:59 Yes you can I and many are using windows 7 lol. Aug 20 17:55:12 it rolls back when i try to install Aug 20 17:55:24 The work around takes 2 minutes lol its in the forums. Aug 20 17:55:25 PLEASE help me with that :) Aug 20 17:55:40 do you have a link? Aug 20 17:56:09 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=219 Aug 20 18:03:05 sweet awesome jesus! Aug 20 18:14:04 okay, i have komodo installed... do i need to set the environment to webos like i did for eclipse? Aug 20 18:14:19 you have to install the toolboz Aug 20 18:14:21 toolbox* Aug 20 18:14:43 ahhh okay Aug 20 18:15:09 hmmm Aug 20 18:15:16 komodo toolbox is deprecated? Aug 20 18:15:34 ohh yeah thats rtight Aug 20 18:15:38 i have the addon Aug 20 18:16:05 ahhh.. now i had to view it Aug 20 18:16:08 and it's at the bottom Aug 20 18:20:26 what's the best way to manage projects with komodo? Aug 20 18:20:46 i thought a base path would work, but it just generated a src path Aug 20 18:20:58 i'm guessing i should rename it for each projects Aug 20 18:21:03 project*? Aug 20 18:29:40 be back shortly, need to reboot Aug 20 18:35:24 HattCzech: the best way to manage projects imo is to just have a folder under your "documents" called "projects" with folders for each project "\projects\tetris\" for instance. Then you can just leave all your projects opened and the add-on has a drop down to switch between projects (I did this since some people have 10 projects opened some not webOS related, which it can tell the difference from). Aug 20 18:36:19 okay cool Aug 20 18:44:50 Can I see the Virtual KeyBoard on the emulator? Aug 20 18:45:57 templarian, i've got logging in my code, but i'm not seeing in the logs... do i need to look somewhere else? Aug 20 18:48:07 Can I see the Virtual KeyBoard on the emulator? Aug 20 18:48:18 can anyone help me with logging to debug? Aug 20 18:52:17 Is there another thing I should do to Komodo Edit before been able to Create Palm WebOS projects? Aug 20 18:52:39 if you've got the add on and code extension... Aug 20 18:52:50 go to view... then click webos at the bottom Aug 20 18:52:56 from there, create a new project Aug 20 18:54:05 Ok. Aug 20 18:54:20 That's how we create project to WebOs? Aug 20 18:55:06 and what about exporte it to installation pack or ipk file? Aug 20 18:58:43 After Pressing on Create new project I cant press create project Aug 20 18:58:45 why? Aug 20 18:59:14 at the bottom, there's a 'package, install, and launch to emulator' Aug 20 18:59:22 which is what i am using Aug 20 18:59:39 bottom of what? Aug 20 19:00:02 of which screen? Aug 20 19:00:18 the webos section where you created the project Aug 20 19:00:49 i got id Aug 20 19:00:51 version Aug 20 19:00:51 title Aug 20 19:00:53 vendor Aug 20 19:00:57 vendorurl Aug 20 19:01:00 main Aug 20 19:01:02 icon Aug 20 19:01:06 miniicon Aug 20 19:01:08 ohhh... you have to enter that information first, then create the project Aug 20 19:01:10 type Aug 20 19:01:34 Ok. So where to enter? Aug 20 19:02:04 ? Aug 20 19:02:14 enter info into those fields... you need app title, version, id, and vendor i believe Aug 20 19:02:39 You have to select a file path also. DdAaDd Aug 20 19:02:45 but the button create project is disabled Aug 20 19:02:46 then at the top right of that section, set a path and create it Aug 20 19:02:50 (with an empty folder) Aug 20 19:02:50 what file path means? Aug 20 19:03:06 The little folder icon, you have to select where you want to store the project. Aug 20 19:03:14 Ok. Aug 20 19:03:19 documents/projects/projectname/ is usually best. Aug 20 19:03:39 (it will tell you if the folder isn't empty though) Aug 20 19:03:51 templarian, any help with logging? i just added a framework_config.json with a loglevel of 99 and that didn't work Aug 20 19:04:18 Ok. I created Aug 20 19:04:51 where I can download projects for example to learn from? Aug 20 19:04:53 oh HattCzech open up putty (type cmd "putty") Aug 20 19:05:07 i've got it open Aug 20 19:05:24 "localhost", 5522 Aug 20 19:05:35 username: root password: blank Aug 20 19:05:37 and i'm doing 'tail -f /var/log/messages' Aug 20 19:06:01 How to import an Ipk project to there? Aug 20 19:06:22 HattCzech: if you want just type "novacom get file:///var/log/messages" since you only have 1 project. Aug 20 19:06:28 (into cmd) Aug 20 19:07:15 Templarian? Aug 20 19:07:19 How to import an Ipk project to there? Aug 20 19:07:34 DdAaDd: you mean an ipk file? Aug 20 19:08:04 Or do you mean you already have a project? Aug 20 19:08:04 i see the logs... i just don't see the stuff i'm trying to log... using Mojo.Log.info(blah) Aug 20 19:08:55 yea an ipk file project Aug 20 19:09:06 DdAaDd: if you already have a project just delete the contents of the /src/ folder in that project you just created and drag the files into the /src/ folder. Aug 20 19:09:19 ipk is the compiled version of a project. Aug 20 19:09:23 so drog the ipk file? Aug 20 19:09:26 that's it? Aug 20 19:09:32 drag* Aug 20 19:09:42 No you have to extract an ipk file to with 7zip. Aug 20 19:09:53 did Aug 20 19:09:56 than? Aug 20 19:10:11 Did you go to the folder with the appinfo.json? Aug 20 19:10:23 drag the contents of that folder to the src/ folder Aug 20 19:10:52 documents/projects/tetris/src/ for instance would have documents/projects/tetris/src/appinfo.json Aug 20 19:12:45 urg, just want some form of reasonable debugging... it's not showing the Mojo.Log.info in the logs Aug 20 19:13:14 HattCzech: go ask in #webos since that's more of a #webos question. Aug 20 19:13:19 k Aug 20 19:14:02 usually a bit more activity in here :) Aug 20 19:14:38 (everyones at work, its slow in the office today or I wouldn't be talking so much) Aug 20 19:15:54 gotcha Aug 20 19:16:42 Now how to run it? Aug 20 19:17:22 When I press on lunch application to Device.. nothing happend Aug 20 19:17:55 Templarian? Aug 20 19:18:27 DdAaDd: Does it show a little error symbol? Aug 20 19:19:18 little error symbol where? Aug 20 19:19:22 next to? Aug 20 19:19:35 When you click the button? (or does it do a swirl animated icon) Aug 20 19:19:46 it should open the emulator automaticlly? Aug 20 19:19:51 No Aug 20 19:20:01 So how it should run? Aug 20 19:20:13 You should have the emulator opened. Aug 20 19:20:41 it's open that what? Aug 20 19:21:06 it should start in the emulator? Aug 20 19:21:11 automaticlly? Aug 20 19:21:30 No, you have to have the emulator opened. Aug 20 19:21:46 http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1366/cogtextfield.png click the icon that looks like this. Aug 20 19:22:03 and? Aug 20 19:22:08 (it's a work in progress, but shows errors) Aug 20 19:23:12 when I press the launcher button I saw small yellow triangle near it Aug 20 19:23:17 what it says Aug 20 19:23:18 ? Aug 20 19:23:32 Thats because it can't find the emulator running. Aug 20 19:23:41 DdAaDd: on your desktop you have a folder called Palm webOS SDK open it and click the one that says emulator. Aug 20 19:24:12 (windows users get this folder when they install not sure what happens on other OS's) Aug 20 19:24:53 how do u know what's on my destop? Aug 20 19:24:56 desktop? Aug 20 19:25:04 Oh.. Aug 20 19:25:18 Because when Palms SDK is installed it puts it there... (and I'm sitting outside your window) Aug 20 19:25:25 yes Aug 20 19:25:38 how to set the developer mode to on? Aug 20 19:25:38 * Templarian waves Aug 20 19:25:50 You don't have to on the emulator. Aug 20 19:25:58 So? Aug 20 19:26:00 where? Aug 20 19:26:26 I got that msg: Could not connect to device, make sure Developer Mode is on and the device is connected Aug 20 19:26:37 when pressed that Icon u send his image Aug 20 19:26:37 That's for the device. Aug 20 19:26:46 Use the little box icons for the emulator. Aug 20 19:26:51 not for the emulator.. Aug 20 19:27:00 oh Aug 20 19:27:16 Wait a second are you doing this for your device or emulator? Aug 20 19:27:21 u're the best Aug 20 19:27:59 still workinh Aug 20 19:28:00 g Aug 20 19:28:16 ... Aug 20 19:28:38 hi geist Aug 20 19:28:38 geist: this is why we tell developers to not smoke crack before starting. Aug 20 19:29:15 heh Aug 20 19:29:37 so geist, any fancy new stuff from Palm that you can't talk about? :-) Aug 20 19:29:45 not yet, no Aug 20 19:29:51 oh darn. Aug 20 19:29:58 well, or maybe, but who knows Aug 20 19:30:12 I wish one of the guys from the webkit team would stop in and tell us nothing sometime..... Aug 20 19:30:26 since we could whine how much we want them to upgrade to webkit 4. Aug 20 19:30:35 but since they won't, I guess we can't. :-) Aug 20 19:30:50 yep, a sad state of affairs Aug 20 19:31:08 I got invited to speak at the sprint dev conference in October Aug 20 19:31:18 I'm still trying to figure out why. :-) Aug 20 19:32:20 apparently they figure that having an older geek avoids charges of agism. :-) Aug 20 19:39:19 3 Aug 20 19:39:25 4 Aug 20 19:44:20 what does "this" refer to? Aug 20 19:44:38 this Aug 20 19:44:45 heheh, helpful :) Aug 20 19:44:48 lol Aug 20 19:44:56 glad i could help Aug 20 19:45:33 it refers to the object Aug 20 19:45:42 so you've got your scene assistant Aug 20 19:45:54 everything under that accesses itself with this Aug 20 19:46:07 i have a userconfig-assistant.js file... setup as a function... with a method 'error' that doesn't want to work Aug 20 19:46:51 i'm declaring them with the prototype method... UserconfigAssistant.prototype.error = function(errMsg) { blah } Aug 20 19:46:55 yeah Aug 20 19:47:04 and it's telling me this.error doesn't exist Aug 20 19:47:05 so in another function you just do this.error(BLARG) Aug 20 19:47:12 yup Aug 20 19:47:21 what function is saying it doesnt exist? Aug 20 19:47:24 and it works in my other assistant.js Aug 20 19:47:27 error Aug 20 19:47:40 and i just tried to make another one... 'test' and it had the same problem Aug 20 19:47:56 does /usr/lib/BrowserPlugins/MAPartsAdapter.so come on a pre BEFORE installing Classic? Aug 20 19:48:25 im not really sure what your problem without seeing your code Aug 20 19:48:33 but, alas, lunch is over Aug 20 19:48:36 and i gotta get back to work Aug 20 19:48:50 http://webos.pastebin.com/d114193e7 Aug 20 19:48:55 DAMN! Aug 20 19:48:56 hahaha Aug 20 20:57:35 anyone else having issues with authorized_keys, root login, and dropbear? Aug 20 20:58:20 czarphanguye, yea use dsa Aug 20 20:59:26 egaudet_work: did that, works fine on my phone, but Sjpeterman's phone just doesn't care. works fine for user@phone but not root@phone. Even removed the -g from /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear and it still will not allow password login, as if that file is just ignored. Aug 20 21:01:01 does the phone have a root passwd Aug 20 21:01:05 root needs a passwd Aug 20 21:01:19 ah, dont' think we set that since the webdr few min ago Aug 20 21:01:51 where did visudo get to? wanna add another user (me) to her phone and can't fine the bloody thing Aug 20 21:03:27 egaudet_work: <3, setting a pass did the trick Aug 20 21:03:30 ty Aug 20 21:04:17 np :) Aug 20 21:04:37 egaudet_work: thank you :-) Aug 20 21:05:23 yea, went through the same thing just the other day myself Aug 20 21:11:30 next up, changing host name. edited /etc/hosts. rebooted. Webos doesn't care, still root@castle. Aug 20 21:11:54 hostname shows? Aug 20 21:12:04 edited /etc/hosts on what machine the pre? Aug 20 21:12:25 /etc/hosts shows my new one "127.0.0.1 cpre", hostname still reports castle Aug 20 21:12:36 yeah, on the pre Aug 20 21:13:40 oh, /etc/hostname prob needs updated too ;-x Aug 20 21:15:08 morning Aug 20 21:16:06 gm rwhitby_ Aug 20 21:17:50 yay, no more castle. czar@cpre:~$ uname -a Linux cpre 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.23 armv7l unknown Aug 20 21:19:20 way to confusing if your ssh'ed to more then one pre ;-x Aug 20 21:20:06 more than one Pre! I can't even get one! Aug 20 21:21:51 Templarian here? Aug 20 21:22:32 How to edit an exist menu? Aug 20 21:23:33 How to edit an exist menu? Aug 20 21:23:42 rwhitby: not even one? your joking? Aug 20 21:23:53 czarphanguye: there are no Pre's in Australia Aug 20 21:24:27 No, I'm not joking. Aug 20 21:24:54 odd, your project admin of so much pre info and don't have one. why the love for the community? Aug 20 21:25:24 DdAaDd: edit a menu? what menu Aug 20 21:26:16 czarphanguye: it's simple really. I have owned Treos for the last 7 years. I currently have a Treo 650. I need the Pre to be functional enough to replace it by the time it is available in Australia. So I started a community so that other people would write all the code that I need for that. Aug 20 21:27:42 rwhitby: that's awesome. hope things are coming along to your expectations. ;-) Aug 20 21:28:41 czarphanguye: yes, I've been able to subvert some great people to work towards my selfish ends Aug 20 21:29:37 rwhitby: far from selfish, hosting all this stuff can't be free. doubt your even break even Aug 20 21:29:53 czarphanguye: apart from time, I haven't spent a cent. Aug 20 21:30:05 ddaadd: what do u mean existing menu? Aug 20 21:30:28 anyone know when MainWindowQueueProcess() is called? Aug 20 21:30:42 czarphanguye: the last project I set up 5 years ago (nslu2-linux.org) paid forward in donations to allow this project to be started. Aug 20 21:31:12 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/presentation.pdf if anyone is interested. Aug 20 21:31:50 page 24 is my favourite. Aug 20 21:33:57 lol! Aug 20 21:36:27 we're all good for project hardware and hosting at the moment (paid for by excess nslu2-linux.org donations), but in the future we'll probably need to go to this community to do a donation drive to upgrade hardware or something. Aug 20 21:36:42 2.5gb of publicly accessible information, yeah.. that would eat profits. Aug 20 21:36:55 all the donations from nslu2-linux.org have gone back into the project infrastructure and hardware. Aug 20 21:37:11 actually, our hosting is completely free, and has multiple gigabit links to Internet2 Aug 20 21:38:35 Hi, Aug 20 21:38:44 we're one of these communities (but not listed yet, we're using the nslu2-linux hardware): http://osuosl.org/services/hosting/communities Aug 20 21:38:44 Can u help me about editing an existing menu items? Aug 20 21:39:35 ? Aug 20 21:39:38 Plz help me.. Aug 20 21:39:43 impressive list of neighbors Aug 20 21:40:07 czarphanguye: the machine that the webos-internals.org xen instance runs on is in the same rack as master.kernel.org :-) Aug 20 21:40:41 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/osuosl Aug 20 21:41:03 ? Aug 20 21:41:36 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/NAS-Server is the machine, it got double the cores that are listed there a couple of weeks ago when we did that 2 hour outage. Aug 20 21:42:26 sexy Aug 20 21:42:31 it now has dual quad cores, and more memory. Aug 20 21:43:01 Somebody? Aug 20 21:43:19 nslu2-linux.org raised over USD$10K in donations over 5 years. All of it went into the hardware and infrastructure. Aug 20 21:43:53 DdAaDd: what resources have you searched so far, what other code have you read, and what have you tried already? Aug 20 21:44:49 lot's of things.. Aug 20 21:44:57 saw html files.. Aug 20 21:45:00 js files Aug 20 21:45:16 * rwhitby is glad to see that the Palm hardware version 2 is out, before it's time for me to buy. Aug 20 21:45:20 worked with Komodo.. Aug 20 21:46:31 ddaadd: what do u mean existing menu? Aug 20 21:46:40 that language menu Aug 20 21:46:47 the let u selecte Aug 20 21:47:11 english espanol... Aug 20 21:47:32 I want to add another language there that is not appeear there.. Aug 20 21:48:02 this menu is exist in Reginal Settings.. Aug 20 21:48:35 u will prob need more than just add the text "French" for example to get french suuport Aug 20 21:48:48 I know Aug 20 21:49:08 I first want to learn how to add / edit an item of existing menu Aug 20 21:50:02 ? Aug 20 21:51:43 Well? Aug 20 21:51:43 look at: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.languagepicker/app/controllers/regionalsettings-assistant.js Aug 20 21:56:25 ... also look at getLanguagesList() in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.languagepicker/app/controllers/languagepicker-assistant.js Aug 20 21:57:02 where the list is found? Aug 20 21:57:23 which list? Aug 20 22:00:11 i'm guessing: /usr/palm/sysmgr/localization ... and /usr/lib/luna/customization/locale.txt Aug 20 22:03:04 in Aug 20 22:03:26 there is no locale.txt file Aug 20 22:03:33 in /usr/lib/luna/customization/ Aug 20 22:05:00 Zuchmir2? Aug 20 22:05:18 anyone know how to play sounds through an app? Aug 20 22:30:24 hey guys Aug 20 22:30:38 welcommen Aug 20 22:34:41 hi Aug 20 22:35:39 ddaadd: r u looking on device or emu? Aug 20 22:35:43 egaudet: hows the keyboard going? :) Aug 20 22:38:01 slowly Aug 20 22:39:53 anyone have a list of like.. what keys do what on the emulator Aug 20 22:43:49 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744 Aug 20 22:47:16 egaudet: ty, one more question. Aug 20 22:48:40 how do i edit files on the emulator Aug 20 22:48:45 where is the filesystem located..? Aug 20 22:48:55 you ask nicely Aug 20 22:49:01 can i please edit your files Aug 20 22:49:14 ? Aug 20 22:49:19 ask the emulator Aug 20 22:49:30 ahh, okay Aug 20 22:49:32 don't sudo though cause you will hurt it's feelings Aug 20 22:49:32 let me try Aug 20 22:49:44 he said no :/ Aug 20 22:49:48 :( Aug 20 22:49:54 stubborn little bastard Aug 20 22:50:12 you can ssh into it Aug 20 22:50:16 to edit Aug 20 22:50:27 lol, but how? Aug 20 22:50:29 whats the ip? Aug 20 22:50:36 localhost Aug 20 22:50:38 something Aug 20 22:50:40 I forgot Aug 20 22:52:15 the ip is your local ip Aug 20 22:52:20 port 5522 by default Aug 20 22:52:31 if you set it up with optware like you did your pre Aug 20 22:52:40 follow the wiki for it Aug 20 22:53:06 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Aug 20 22:53:12 egaudet: i didnt see it on the wiki Aug 20 22:53:26 under optware setup Aug 20 22:53:29 If you're attempting to install these packages to your emulator, you must first add sufficient space by enabling a virtual disk. Aug 20 22:53:34 Thank you good sir Aug 20 22:53:43 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Adding_Disks_to_the_Emulator Aug 20 22:53:43 you saved my butt Aug 20 22:53:49 egaudet: i did all that Aug 20 22:54:05 but now idk how to ssh in Aug 20 22:54:13 ok then ssh Aug 20 22:54:14 i dont even have a user name Aug 20 22:54:18 it never asked me to create one Aug 20 22:54:20 you said you did all that? Aug 20 22:54:32 username is stevejobs Aug 20 22:54:36 egaudet: i ran the optware-bootstrap.sh thing Aug 20 22:54:42 did you set up a virtual disk first Aug 20 22:54:44 and it didnt ask me to make a username Aug 20 22:54:48 egaudet: yes Aug 20 22:55:02 i just ran it again Aug 20 22:55:07 and it said everything was up to date Aug 20 22:56:22 hmm dunno Aug 20 22:56:32 ps -ef | grep drop Aug 20 22:56:35 is dropbear running Aug 20 22:57:20 Decimation: on the emulator, just use the standard Palm ssh access on localhost:5522 Aug 20 22:57:37 whats the username? Aug 20 22:57:39 we don't install or start dropbear or extra users in the script, cause it's not needed. Aug 20 22:57:44 root Aug 20 22:58:56 if you want super secret access use stevejobs as the username Aug 20 22:59:12 it will make the apple boot sound Aug 20 22:59:22 rwhitby: these are my settings, and it doesnt let me in: http://is.gd/2qHZ8 Aug 20 22:59:43 Why does the optware bootstrap script install dropbear and openssh? Aug 20 22:59:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgZKjJt-TkU Aug 20 23:02:37 ls Aug 20 23:02:38 oops Aug 20 23:03:29 yeah, just doesnt seem to work Aug 20 23:10:15 http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9728/browser20092008190900.png Aug 20 23:10:40 egaudet: fancy Aug 20 23:12:31 The bevel round edge on the Q and P are weird, when the bottom left and right corners should be rounded instead Aug 20 23:17:50 sweet! I restored my linked contacts Aug 20 23:24:33 cound the issue with filecoaster continuing to spin Aug 20 23:24:44 Ajax is returning a status code of 0 Aug 20 23:24:49 which is UNHEARD of Aug 20 23:55:05 Hi Aug 20 23:55:17 when the function access here 'palm://com.palm.systemservice' Aug 20 23:55:25 where It's goes? Aug 20 23:55:35 I'm looking it's path Aug 20 23:55:41 Can u help me plz...? Aug 20 23:57:20 Can u help me plz...? Aug 20 23:59:57 what? Aug 21 00:00:02 when the function access here 'palm://com.palm.systemservice' Aug 21 00:00:14 i don't understand what your asking Aug 21 00:00:30 it i goes to the systemservice service Aug 21 00:00:47 and where it is found Aug 21 00:00:58 where the path of it? Aug 21 00:01:27 under frameworks? Aug 21 00:01:34 ? Aug 21 00:01:38 knows? Aug 21 00:02:21 i dont know Aug 21 00:02:30 maybe /usr/bin/LunaSysService Aug 21 00:07:06 is this a folder cause i cant access there -> LunaSysService Aug 21 00:07:08 what to do? Aug 21 00:08:01 zomg, DdAaDd your still in here spamming away? Aug 21 00:08:14 yes Aug 21 00:08:28 trying to understand stuff.. Aug 21 00:08:42 when the function direct to this: 'palm://com.palm.systemservice' Aug 21 00:08:45 where it goes? Aug 21 00:08:49 which path? Aug 21 00:10:16 czarphanguye? Aug 21 00:13:04 You guys know of a way to keep the ssh session from timing out each time the phone goes to sleep when not in a power source? Aug 21 00:13:04 Through wifi of course Aug 21 00:14:35 ? Aug 21 00:14:40 when the function direct to this: 'palm://com.palm.systemservice' Aug 21 00:14:43 which path? Aug 21 00:15:36 k4p741nkrunch: there's a wiki page for that I think Aug 21 00:15:57 rwhitby? Aug 21 00:15:59 Alright, lemme look Aug 21 00:16:01 rwhitby? Aug 21 00:16:58 rwhitby? Aug 21 00:16:59 rwhitby? Aug 21 00:17:16 /kicks DdAaDd Aug 21 00:17:22 no Aug 21 00:17:40 DdAaDd: here's the thing. I'm right in the middle of creating a new technique for packaging patches into ipkg files so they can be installed and removed automatically. You are asking questions for which the answers can be found either in the wiki, or in the public logs of this IRC channel (see the /topic for the location). Aug 21 00:17:58 Ahh workaround, I'll just play some music Aug 21 00:17:59 rwhitby: is use of ipkg-opt deprecated? Aug 21 00:18:14 I see a lot of instructions to use ipkg -o /var now Aug 21 00:18:16 DdAaDd: addressing me by name (which causes my IRC client to get my attention when I'm concentrating on something else), is not the best approach to getting your answers. Aug 21 00:18:30 newman314_: ipkg-opt is for optware, ipkg -o /var is for preware Aug 21 00:18:42 ah okay Aug 21 00:19:32 I did search in wiki Aug 21 00:19:45 didnt find any memo about it Aug 21 00:19:48 DdAaDd: continuing to do so will just cause me to ignore you. remember that credit that I spoke of last night, it's almost used up. I don't want to sound harsh, but that's the reality. I simply don't have the spare time to help you individually. Aug 21 00:20:16 ok Aug 21 00:20:22 newman314? Aug 21 00:21:05 DdAaDd: I can see that english is not your first language, and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt based on that. You can speak my first language infinitely better than I can speak yours I expect. Aug 21 00:21:17 DdAaDd: but I have to ask - what is your programming experience? Aug 21 00:21:23 spamming me doesnt help either =) Aug 21 00:21:38 c / c++ .net c# Aug 21 00:21:45 little bit of symbian Aug 21 00:21:50 Hey great job on Preware with the sorting options and the Secure user prompt test. I tried that once and the icon disappeared afterwards Aug 21 00:21:51 ok, so no javascript? Aug 21 00:21:56 no Aug 21 00:23:03 and how much reading have you done about the webos architecture? have you read all the documentation on developer.palm.com, and watched the presentations and webcasts from Mitch Allen, and the presentation on webos architecture from the PreDevCamps? Aug 21 00:23:49 Have you bought the WebOS book? Aug 21 00:24:09 yes Aug 21 00:24:19 didnt see presentations Aug 21 00:24:26 DdAaDd: basically, if you want to get to the point where you can add another language to the virtual keyboard, you are going to need to do a significant amount of getting up the learning curve by yourself. Aug 21 00:25:38 or, you are going to need to rely on the good graces of others. Frankly, the way that you communicate on IRC (even taking into account my assumption that english is not your first language), does not make people want to help you. Aug 21 00:29:35 rwhitby: i was reading up and seeing you were working on packaging the patches into ipks... hows the progress going? Aug 21 00:30:08 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=patches/virtual-keyboard/Makefile;h=c6f081fcd57d40cebaf5f4a724c8490de4e8061f;hb=HEAD Aug 21 00:30:59 rwhitby: hah, beautiful. Aug 21 00:31:24 oh, and in preware.. the last to categories are "misc" and "web" Aug 21 00:31:42 yep Aug 21 00:31:51 anyway someone can change them to begin with captial letters so they go in abc order with the rest. Aug 21 00:32:07 nope, we're going to fix the source packages instead Aug 21 00:32:32 ah, okay. Aug 21 00:32:41 well ill stop bothering you now, just wondering, cya. Aug 21 00:32:57 no probs. you've got a high credit for questions ;-) Aug 21 00:33:28 ;) thats just what i do.. lol Aug 21 00:36:52 rwhitby I dont suppose you are planning to submit preware to precentral? I figure if so I could use filecoaster to install preware. else I'll just install via command line =) Aug 21 00:37:23 newman314_: filecoaster cannot install advanced homebrew like the preware package service Aug 21 00:38:10 Rwhitby: do we need to clone another git repository with it changing? Aug 21 00:39:12 newman314_: preware has to be installed via terminal, or a more user-friendly way.. with the desktop application WebOS Quick-Install because it needs to run a post-install script, which is the solution to "rooting" the phone. Aug 21 00:39:35 I see it now. Aug 21 00:39:46 newman314_: and the idea is that a package author only has to submit to *one* site that participates in the open standard preware.org package repositories, and you use a package manager (e.g. WebOS Quick Install, PreLoad, or Preware, or any other open source package manager in the future that chooses to use the ipkgservice) to install any package from any site. Aug 21 00:40:42 newman314_: take a look at http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/196977-towards-open-interoperable-homebrew-ecosystem.html Aug 21 00:42:15 thx. I dont suppose there is documentation showing how to build up a service or how the service works? I wanted to take a look at how something like the filemgr service was implemented. Aug 21 00:43:44 newman314_: I believe that the filemgr service is closed source, but uses the open techniques that are embodied in the WebOS Internals services. Aug 21 00:44:16 newman314_: take a look at the services on http://git.webos-internals.org/ Aug 21 00:44:40 We're hoping that someone in the community will step up to the plate, and take all that source code, and write some documentation for us ;-) Aug 21 00:44:50 okay. will do Aug 21 00:45:09 We love documentation people best of all ;-) Aug 21 00:45:29 rwhitby: is it more or does the update menu on preware need an "update all" button. Aug 21 00:45:49 s/more/me Aug 21 00:45:53 damn. Aug 21 00:46:04 always forget the last / Aug 21 00:46:06 Is git.webos-internals.org going to be the new repository and gitorious.org is going away? Aug 21 00:46:12 yes Aug 21 00:46:30 ~seen raeb Aug 21 00:46:39 Decimation: I think it does, but that's just my opinion. Aug 21 00:46:59 oh, no infobot. nm Aug 21 00:47:03 Will I need to do anything to the current patches I have in place from gitorious or will they just migrate over when I clone it? Aug 21 00:47:28 i forgot why oil said he didnt add a progressbar to show app download/installation progress... any idea? Aug 21 00:47:54 * oil adds update all button just to get Decimation to stfu Aug 21 00:48:05 xD Aug 21 00:48:27 and there is no progress bar Aug 21 00:48:29 Ikyo: they will migrate over. that's the beauty of git. we need to update all the wiki pages and scripts first though. Aug 21 00:48:38 because the mojo app doesn't know any progress Aug 21 00:48:42 besides 0% when it starts it Aug 21 00:48:45 Decimation: we need to work out how to get the service to send progress information up to the mojo app Aug 21 00:48:47 and 100% when the service tells it its done Aug 21 00:49:09 oil: i will never stfu :D Aug 21 00:49:22 rwhitby, oil: ah, so the service is whats holding it up. Aug 21 00:49:58 Decimation: no, actually other more important features are delaying that trivial request ;-) Aug 21 00:50:12 like postinst support Aug 21 00:50:22 rwhitby: psht... progressbar = top priority in my book :P Aug 21 00:50:54 cause rwhitby didn't think about the progress bar when thinking about the app Aug 21 00:50:56 Decimation: good thing you're not coordinating the progress priorities then ;-) Aug 21 00:50:59 xD Aug 21 00:51:06 Has anyone successfully enabled GPS tracking? Aug 21 00:51:18 What do you mean enabled it? Aug 21 00:51:27 Got it working? Aug 21 00:51:31 yes Aug 21 00:51:48 I can't for the life of me, get it working or find alternative routes Aug 21 00:52:08 There are some scripts that are out that do numerous things from accepting an incoming text and replying back with an email to a webpage. What are you trying to get it to do? Aug 21 00:52:24 rwhitby: if i was coordinating it.. we'd have a progress bar by now so :P Aug 21 00:52:39 Decimation: yeah, and no packages to show in it ... Aug 21 00:52:45 :D Aug 21 00:52:59 I have done the whole cron setup, and placed the script(s] in the correct folder Aug 21 00:53:04 looks first, function later! thats the motto the calls for a failed project! Aug 21 00:53:10 I've followed all the setups and can't get it to work Aug 21 00:53:15 Decimation: lol Aug 21 00:53:19 which script are you using? Aug 21 00:53:45 Theres one on Precentral, and I've also tried the one or two on Webos page Aug 21 00:53:53 Decimation: let me guess, you'd put the youtube video up before the git repo too, right? Aug 21 00:54:03 None work so I must be setting up cron wrong Aug 21 00:54:27 rwhitby: what else am i supposed to do? :P Aug 21 00:54:57 one second Abyssul and I will help you Aug 21 00:55:22 Thanks, I've been working on this on and off since I got the Pre Aug 21 00:56:50 Decimation: you could work out the patch for oil to make Preware show dates in a locale-aware fashion ... Aug 21 00:57:36 rwhitby: it sounds challenging for a noob like myself :P Aug 21 00:57:47 i thought you did that last night? Aug 21 00:57:50 * oil adds it to list Aug 21 00:58:04 oil: I got distracted by the patching stuff Aug 21 00:58:08 ah Aug 21 00:58:58 then got some sleep - I have a big camping weekend starting tonight - about 100 cub scouts Aug 21 00:59:42 rwhitby, oil: when you click on a category.. the drop down box inside each that lets you switch from category to category.. some are farther up then others, im guessing because of longer names? Aug 21 00:59:44 so I'll be offline all weekend. Aug 21 00:59:56 i think i'd look better if they were all were the "System Utilities" one is. Aug 21 01:00:34 Decimation: thats cause categories were updated after i released a new version Aug 21 01:00:38 or i would have fixed it Aug 21 01:00:47 oil: ah, okay. Aug 21 01:00:57 i just think they look better if they are all on the same line as "TodaY" Aug 21 01:01:31 they'll all be up above like they were before Aug 21 01:01:52 k Aug 21 01:03:37 * rwhitby bbl Aug 21 01:24:52 For a progress bar couldn't you put some kind of comment in the code with a specific string that the service could read and adjust the slider based on an incrementing value in the string? Aug 21 01:25:31 And set the comments after certain blocks of code depending on how many instructions you have Aug 21 01:25:48 the service doesn't support subscription Aug 21 01:25:51 it gets called Aug 21 01:25:54 and returns when its done Aug 21 01:27:16 Only other think I could imagine is somehow breaking the postinst script into smaller scripts and increasing the progress meter as each one completes. Don't know if that's possible/practical Aug 21 01:28:33 the postinst mojo app is separate from the preware app Aug 21 01:29:43 didn't know if you could have it somehow report the progress to the preware app Aug 21 01:29:54 thats at the very end, too Aug 21 01:29:57 dont worry, itl happen Aug 21 01:30:02 wow, apps are actually starting to come in to the app catalog. Aug 21 01:30:04 just not real soon Aug 21 01:30:36 You talking about the Palm App Catalog? Aug 21 01:30:46 yes Aug 21 01:30:59 not a lot Aug 21 01:31:01 but they are there Aug 21 01:31:12 6 today i think Aug 21 01:31:41 Hmm yeah I didn't check the recent list, but I looked earlier and saw the initial screen hadn't changed Aug 21 01:31:51 Word Ace was at PreDevCamp Aug 21 01:31:57 It looks excellent Aug 21 01:32:35 "An interface that adapts to suit you" data mining ehhem Aug 21 01:33:20 im just happy to see the app catalog is still there. Aug 21 01:33:50 oil are you planning to institute screenshots and descriptions in to PreWare, or is it impractical with how the feed is set up? Aug 21 01:34:15 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:Preware Aug 21 01:34:22 features and suggestions at the bottom Aug 21 01:35:28 Gotcha, thanks Aug 21 01:36:24 Wow is the app catalog buggy or what, I've had to hit download 5 times, it goes halfway then stops, and now it doesn't even move and the apps not installed Aug 21 01:40:35 I wonder why Palm hasn't jumped right on some sort of payment system for the catalog Aug 21 01:46:13 k4p741nkrunch: for-pay apps will be introduced next month. Aug 21 02:00:33 did they add anything good to the app-catalog? Aug 21 02:00:40 Nope Aug 21 02:00:54 Homebrew > Palm Catalog Aug 21 02:07:15 wordace is fun Aug 21 02:22:50 wondering if you modified the messaging app if you could have it not display certain texts containing a reserved word Aug 21 02:24:09 if (!string.include('reserved')) Aug 21 02:25:30 which Category should SimplyFlipFlops be in ? Aug 21 02:26:19 why is it even in the feed? Aug 21 02:26:27 lol Aug 21 02:26:57 hehye Aug 21 02:30:51 is it supposed to emulate a woman trying to decide what to have for dinner? Aug 21 02:31:46 rwhitby: lol, get rid of that app.. it has no use. Aug 21 02:31:49 (fixed) is it supposed to emulate a woman trying to decide what to make for dinner? :p Aug 21 02:31:52 oil: it has historical significance Aug 21 02:32:07 I've put it under System Utililities ;-) Aug 21 02:32:14 Historical as in "two months ago" Aug 21 02:32:16 (but spelt correctly) Aug 21 02:32:17 LOL - it does nothing. Aug 21 02:32:28 yes, but it does it *very* well Aug 21 02:32:37 you win. Aug 21 02:32:49 I vote it for Most Significant and Most Useful app Aug 21 02:32:51 is it possible for preware to check for updates every hour.. like.. without the app open? Aug 21 02:32:56 and if there is one Aug 21 02:33:01 show it in the notification area Aug 21 02:33:09 im saying in the future.. is it POSSIBLE Aug 21 02:33:13 Decimation: technically, yes. Aug 21 02:33:26 rwhitby: then you guys should implement that :P Aug 21 02:33:30 rofl Aug 21 02:35:32 oil: new categories coming up ... Aug 21 02:41:51 rwhitby: web down.. misc to go :) Aug 21 02:42:08 Decimation: misc will become "Unsorted" soon Aug 21 02:42:15 (over to oil for that) Aug 21 02:42:50 bahh Aug 21 02:43:05 * oil is workin on it Aug 21 02:43:33 PreUpdate, Pimp My Pre Sounds, FileMgr Service, Flashlight, My Tether and Flashlight service all have a category they can fit into Aug 21 02:43:39 the rest are app catalog apps Aug 21 02:43:59 * oil goes to get dinner first Aug 21 02:44:06 just make a new "App catalog" category, and put the remaining in the appropriate categories. Aug 21 02:45:55 Decimation: it's up to pimpmypre to flow through the category information to the standard feed. Aug 21 02:46:07 they are on it ... Aug 21 02:46:40 * oil continues to wait for screenshots/descriptions from pc Aug 21 02:47:23 oil: they said next week for that Aug 21 02:47:35 well Aug 21 02:47:38 dont see web anymore Aug 21 02:47:48 or unsorted for that matter Aug 21 02:48:30 oil: PimpMyPre stuff is Section: misc but Category: Unsorted Aug 21 02:48:37 hmm Aug 21 02:48:45 I categorised all the web ones in the git repo Aug 21 02:51:48 it helps if i set Section instead of Ssection Aug 21 02:52:43 i can't seem to get this image to lay ontop of text without moving it to the next line Aug 21 02:52:45 any ideas? Aug 21 02:53:11 it is in a list item and if i use absolute it just goes based on the List element and not the actual listItem template **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 21 02:59:56 2009