**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 21 02:59:56 2009 Aug 21 03:01:35 z-index Aug 21 03:02:12 ok, FAILED_NOT_ENOUGH_INSTALL_SPACE has driven me to frustration Aug 21 03:02:22 i've symlinked everything and have 115MB left on /var Aug 21 03:02:37 anyone know something else that might be tripping me up? Aug 21 03:09:18 i believe it is hard coded into LunaSysMgr to only allow 60 apps Aug 21 03:09:50 including the core apps? Aug 21 03:10:03 PreGame: xcomp I have more than 60 Aug 21 03:10:14 and we have several more with documented more than 60 Aug 21 03:10:16 but. Aug 21 03:10:24 xcomp: have you added pages to your launcher? Aug 21 03:10:37 Rick_home: yeah, just one so far though Aug 21 03:10:55 and how many total apps do you have installed? and how many on the first page of the launcher? Aug 21 03:11:03 i meant only 60 in the /var Aug 21 03:11:30 32 on the first page Aug 21 03:11:48 just as a favor to me, try moving some of them. Aug 21 03:12:07 by the way, that's fairly insane.... Aug 21 03:13:19 insane? lol ... I guess I got a little carried away with ipkg install Aug 21 03:15:42 i've had over 60 on the first page Aug 21 03:16:28 ok, down to 18 on the first page Aug 21 03:16:34 i cant imagine only having three icons in a row anymore. Aug 21 03:17:14 i kept 3 in a row because it's easier to hit while driving...although that's probably a lame excuse Aug 21 03:17:25 very lame :P Aug 21 03:18:32 still getting FAILED_NOT_ENOUGH_INSTALL_SPACE Aug 21 03:18:46 at the moment I have 49 apps in /var Aug 21 03:19:04 xcomp: watch this, http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/16/wales-produces-exceptionally-graphic-educational-film-about-the/ Aug 21 03:20:57 xcomp I have no idea Aug 21 03:22:42 destinal: ping Aug 21 03:23:09 ameng: pong Aug 21 03:25:51 ameng: how goes it? Aug 21 03:26:30 some questions about browser plugin Aug 21 03:27:21 ameng: sure, go ahead Aug 21 03:27:33 Is there a patch to stop the Pre from phoning home location and crash info? I thought there was a page on the old wiki, but I can't find it now. Aug 21 03:28:23 palm use windowless plugin? Aug 21 03:29:42 ameng: yes, though it's a bit nonstandard Aug 21 03:30:54 so we must do a NPN_ForceRedraw to force a paint message sent Aug 21 03:31:04 right Aug 21 03:31:44 and instead of WM_PAINT the plugin is called to handle an event of palm's drawEvent type Aug 21 03:33:06 some confusion about the struct NpPalmDrawEvent Aug 21 03:33:13 ameng: if you check out the source code for termplugin you can see an example of where we're calling redraws in another thread with a mutex (since palm doesn't offer any of the newer threadsafe NPAPI message passing stuff) Aug 21 03:33:57 git clone that stuff failed Aug 21 03:34:21 maybe caused by the crap network Aug 21 03:34:47 what's the meaning of dest and src in struct NpPalmDrawEvent Aug 21 03:35:29 actually, that's something I'm not sure of but I think it's intended that you double-buffer and source and dst are offset for window sliding Aug 21 03:37:34 maybe i should have a look at their webkit code Aug 21 03:37:52 ameng: I recommend getting webcore and its patch from opensource.palm.com Aug 21 03:38:05 have got that Aug 21 03:39:59 if i have my home environment(x86_64) set up, i could make some progress this weekend Aug 21 03:40:17 ameng: I sent you termplugin Aug 21 03:41:06 got it , thanks Aug 21 03:41:29 I don't have a lot of graphics library experience so I expect that you can make progress faster than I can Aug 21 03:41:56 I hope I'll have a chance this weekend to help though Aug 21 03:43:31 ok , i would like to call you on irc Aug 21 03:45:51 sounds good Aug 21 03:51:44 so I have a liitte worry about the performance decrease by the message trip between browser and plugin's dfb stuff Aug 21 03:54:20 does anyone know how to make to palm pre boot faster Aug 21 03:54:20 ? Aug 21 03:54:51 but my first goal is bring the DFBTerm program up Aug 21 03:56:30 ameng: cool. how are you planning on doing message passing between the program/lib and the plugin? Aug 21 03:56:58 shared memory for the buffer I imagine, but then there's key and mouse events Aug 21 03:57:10 no idea now, trying to figure that out Aug 21 03:57:41 ameng: oh, you'll also have to watch out to make the dfb libs use some non-standard name Aug 21 03:57:49 since the pre already has dfb Aug 21 03:58:13 unless you can just use the modified system lib only Aug 21 03:58:29 * bhuey opes that Palm will fix the bugs with the Pre Aug 21 03:58:33 hopes Aug 21 03:58:41 because I keep running into them Aug 21 03:58:50 bsdbandit: there's not really any way to speed up boot, sorry Aug 21 03:59:10 bsdbandit: it's mainly just luna starting that takes all the time, and it's a binary blob Aug 21 03:59:12 copy/cut/paste support that's pervasive would nice too Aug 21 04:00:06 destinal: pre has dfb but seems they do not use it, right? Aug 21 04:00:42 ameng: right, it seems they don't. some third party stuff (like the DOOM port) does but only after killing luna Aug 21 04:01:03 oh Aug 21 04:06:41 ameng: oh and there's a directfb hidd input driver, I wonder if it works while luna's running Aug 21 04:07:18 you'll have to recompile your system driver for dfb 1.1.0 if you want to take advantage of it though Aug 21 04:10:17 (hidd is webos' input subsystem) Aug 21 04:11:41 oh, i think we only can get the input event from the NPAPI Aug 21 04:11:52 ugh. just noticed that word ace had 6MB worth of images. Aug 21 04:12:52 that the browser forwards to its plugin window Aug 21 04:12:57 ameng: that's far from certain Aug 21 04:13:20 ameng: I mean it may be possible to get it from hidd as well unless hidd is exclusively communicating with luna Aug 21 04:13:32 but it definitely may be best to get it from the NPAPI Aug 21 04:13:51 termplugin does get it from NPAPI for instance Aug 21 04:14:01 how termplugin do that? Aug 21 04:14:04 oh Aug 21 04:15:44 did someone do some hack on hidd to find how to use it? Aug 21 04:17:50 er, time for lunch Aug 21 04:18:26 ameng: no, that's palm's directfb so they have hidd support for testing or whatever Aug 21 04:18:33 ameng: although I am working on figuring out hidd Aug 21 04:18:35 right now Aug 21 04:23:09 hey folks, i got my messenger patch done lastnight Aug 21 04:23:21 acydlord: oh? Aug 21 04:23:23 havent been able to up it to the git repo yet cause i dont have access though Aug 21 04:23:31 so if anyone wants to test it it is here http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/150051/clean-messenger-timestamps.patch Aug 21 04:31:00 Hello. I'm wondering if there is a patch to disable the Pre from "phoning home" with location information. Anyone know anything about that? Aug 21 04:31:37 jesselang, yes, it is called disabling backups and dissabling the data option in location services Aug 21 04:32:10 or if you just dont want it to send location data then disable the data option in the location services Aug 21 04:33:55 Meaning... turn of the GPS/location services altogether? Aug 21 04:34:00 What is the "data option"? Aug 21 04:34:31 its not like sprint doesn't know where you are even with everything off Aug 21 04:34:46 through cellular tower triangulation Aug 21 04:34:57 Sure. Sprint is one thing... but Palm is another. Aug 21 04:36:04 I was hoping there was a patch that could be applied to send dumb data to Palm instead of my location. Aug 21 04:36:34 But I guess the article says the code is hidden. Aug 21 04:36:37 Go figure. Aug 21 04:38:17 actually the location info goes to google not palm Aug 21 04:38:34 the information going to palm are the backups for your palm profile Aug 21 04:38:45 http://www.intomobile.com/2009/08/12/palm-pre-phones-home-with-user-location-data.html Aug 21 04:39:10 acydlord: anything I should know before I try to patch this? Aug 21 04:39:27 or you could just turn your phone off Aug 21 04:39:37 heisenman, only that if you have other messaging patches installed you'll want to pop them Aug 21 04:39:38 then it wont send anything to anyone Aug 21 04:39:47 Don't think so... Aug 21 04:39:51 jesselang, that article is all doom and gloom with crap reporting Aug 21 04:40:08 i read it when it was first released, it stunk of tinfoil hats Aug 21 04:40:09 Any out there? I didn't think there was anything for messaging yet. Aug 21 04:40:37 there are a few messaging patches, forwarding, enter for newline, and another one that does timestamps but less cleanly Aug 21 04:40:45 hm Aug 21 04:40:50 no, haven't played with those. Aug 21 04:41:05 So what all does this one do? Where should I put it, should I just quilt it? Aug 21 04:41:25 you'll want to throw it in /opt/src/modifications Aug 21 04:41:38 lemme find the screenshot again Aug 21 04:41:54 and install from /, correct? Aug 21 04:42:19 http://twitpic.com/dty1p Aug 21 04:42:26 yeah, quilt it in from / Aug 21 04:42:39 going. Aug 21 04:42:51 it puts those timestamps on every message and kills off the divider bar unless the transport is changed Aug 21 04:43:19 k, patched. Just start the app to apply the changes? Aug 21 04:43:51 gotta pkill luna for it to show Aug 21 04:44:01 k Aug 21 04:44:26 rebooting. Aug 21 04:44:45 Btw, the first person who figures out how to move the wave launcher icon to the wave launcher gets 10 bucks of my money. Aug 21 04:44:55 Almost got my launcher where I want it. Aug 21 04:45:29 Nice. Aug 21 04:45:34 Works great, acydlord. Aug 21 04:46:24 awesome, glad it worked flawlessly, its my first patch for the pre lol Aug 21 04:46:39 :) Aug 21 04:46:42 * oil loves it when shit works Aug 21 04:47:21 shall i go post it up on precentral? :p Aug 21 04:47:38 This phone is unbelievable. Aug 21 04:47:47 Post it wherever it can get used, man. Aug 21 04:48:32 acydlord, what patch did you make? Aug 21 04:49:31 HattCzech, one that enables clean timestamps and removes the divider bar unless the transport changes Aug 21 04:49:47 ahhh cool Aug 21 04:50:17 install/usage seems flawless Aug 21 04:50:32 pkilling luna...seems to make luna unhappy for a little while after boot. Aug 21 04:54:23 what's the syntax to start a Luna service from the command line/ Aug 21 04:56:14 LunaSysMgr start Aug 21 04:56:22 If you want to reboot it though... Aug 21 04:56:41 What exactly are you trying to do? Aug 21 04:57:12 i'm trying to find a way to query installed capacity so I can get a clue why i keep getting FAILED_NOT_ENOUGH_INSTALL_SPACE Aug 21 04:57:29 and the graphical interface isn't working? Aug 21 04:58:19 what graphical interface? Aug 21 04:58:30 Er. Aug 21 04:58:37 Perhaps I don't understand the original question :) Aug 21 04:59:00 just type in df Aug 21 04:59:34 it will show you how much is free and used on each partition Aug 21 04:59:37 ok ... in detail ... I was going through the strings in LunaSysMgr and I found some messages to the effect of "over budget on app install space... total size of installed apps + reserved app db size" etc Aug 21 04:59:43 i'm trying to get that message Aug 21 04:59:58 to tell me just where I am over capacity Aug 21 05:00:11 because I have freed up tons of space on /var Aug 21 05:00:21 and deleted a bunch of stuff as well Aug 21 05:01:17 anywho i'm gonna go play some ps3, later guys Aug 21 05:01:32 i threw my patch up on precentral btw http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1837474#post1837474 Aug 21 05:10:30 who works on the quick install program? and what qualifies tweaks to be put in there? Aug 21 05:10:56 jason (idk if he comes here) Aug 21 05:21:15 oil: don't believe he does. Aug 21 05:21:41 HattCzech: i'm pretty sure he just picked some and added em in.. lol Aug 21 05:21:52 ahhh okay Aug 21 05:22:02 i'm wondering what he uses to patch Aug 21 05:22:08 cuz i'm not a fan of quilt Aug 21 05:22:33 ahh, why not? Aug 21 05:22:49 oil: anything new in the preware world? :D Aug 21 05:23:16 anyone want to test out my app and give me feedback? Aug 21 05:23:27 HattCzech: what is it? Aug 21 05:23:38 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/txt-manager Aug 21 05:23:42 sms sound modifier... Aug 21 05:23:44 yup Aug 21 05:23:45 already did Aug 21 05:23:47 :P Aug 21 05:23:50 hehehe cool Aug 21 05:23:57 let me know what you think Aug 21 05:24:19 well, not modifier, just notifier for specific people Aug 21 05:25:31 precentral forums wont load for me :/ Aug 21 05:25:49 yeah, it was a bit slow for me, too Aug 21 05:33:29 loads for me no problem Aug 21 05:45:56 well this sucks Aug 21 05:46:06 ;( Aug 21 05:46:20 ...? Aug 21 05:46:30 i can't install anything new from app catalog Aug 21 05:46:38 i've been at this for days now :( Aug 21 05:47:31 that does suck Aug 21 05:47:41 sounds like some webosdoctor Aug 21 05:48:01 yeah, webosdoctor might be the only way out at this point Aug 21 05:50:19 hey oil and rwhitby on the new preware the package size is in the wrong format Aug 21 05:50:35 like when you get the package size its like 2458 MB Aug 21 05:51:01 oil: check that out when u get a chance Aug 21 05:51:05 good night Aug 21 05:51:55 oh? Aug 21 05:52:39 I've noticed a bit of a tic with preware as well... Aug 21 05:52:52 When updates happen, (like there's actually new stuff)... Aug 21 05:53:21 Preware seems to hang in loading, and only displays its contents after reloading the app. Aug 21 05:53:35 hm Aug 21 05:53:40 Maybe I'm the only one who has this particular problem though. Aug 21 05:53:49 i've never seen it Aug 21 05:55:10 hm Aug 21 05:55:57 is there anyway to pop just a specific patch with quilt? Aug 21 05:58:46 * oil knows nothing of patches Aug 21 06:00:29 all you need to do is quilt pop /opt/src/patches/patch_name.patch Aug 21 06:02:13 anyone having problems emailing attachements? Aug 21 06:22:32 OMFG, i can't email any attachments!!! Aug 21 06:23:16 Any error messages associated with that? Aug 21 06:24:30 no, I attach any file (i've tried idfferent file types and sizes) and when I click the send button it shows the button animation of it being pressed but then nothing happens; and if I go to "save as draft" the email app just freezes... Aug 21 06:24:55 But sending emails without attachments, no problem? Aug 21 06:25:37 That's pretty weird, dude. Any restrictions about attachments server side? Aug 21 06:26:08 yea, no problem. But this is wierd: If after trying to send an email w/ an attachment I remove the attachment and try to send the email with just text it stills acts as if it had an attachment and doesn't work. Aug 21 06:26:14 its really wierd Aug 21 06:26:23 its a gmail account Aug 21 06:26:28 hm Aug 21 06:26:34 yea, i know... :( Aug 21 06:26:39 I believe I've sent attachments through my gmail account... Aug 21 06:27:04 I'd be reporting it to Palm, man. See if they can give you a logfile to check. Aug 21 06:27:05 hm Aug 21 06:27:18 i have gained root access and applied patches and whatnot but I can't of anything that would cause this Aug 21 06:27:33 That's a good question actually; if there's a logfile associated with the mail app, maybe you can get some info that'll help. Aug 21 06:27:47 uh. Have you applied any mail app patches? Aug 21 06:28:10 bells palm pre has a feature sprints doesnt? Aug 21 06:28:19 only the landscape email patch, buti've removed it and it does the same thing Aug 21 06:29:18 you guys.. wth.. the bell palm pre might have one of the magnetic things inside to make a compass possible? Aug 21 06:29:43 one of those magnetic things? Aug 21 06:29:45 haha Aug 21 06:29:50 That seems like hardware you don't go putting in and out of a device arbitrarily. Aug 21 06:30:00 :P Aug 21 06:30:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXRS5mCsLQ Aug 21 06:30:06 watch that commercial Aug 21 06:30:10 he spins the google maps app Aug 21 06:30:14 OURS DOESNT SPIN Aug 21 06:30:45 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198997-app-request-compass.html Aug 21 06:30:52 that thread is full of lulz Aug 21 06:31:12 who the hell is bell? Aug 21 06:31:20 What country/region? Aug 21 06:31:21 canadians Aug 21 06:31:23 Ah. Aug 21 06:32:04 anyone here played with a custom contacts picker? Aug 21 06:32:05 That hardware has to be present. Aug 21 06:32:32 custom contacts like quick contacts? Aug 21 06:33:22 decimation: Bet ya the hardware is around. Just no drivers for it on the Sprint pre. Give bell a chance to put out software, and we'll steal drivers for it :) Aug 21 06:33:51 so instead of pushing the contacts picker... i want to filter it and customize it Aug 21 06:33:52 hatt: I donated 10 bucks to the quick contacts guy today. Big fan. Replaced a bunch of standard apps on my launcher with it. Aug 21 06:33:58 but i'm not entirely sure how Aug 21 06:34:50 not sure if that app is what you're talking about, but I find it pretty nifty. Aug 21 06:35:23 i use that as well Aug 21 06:35:37 no, i'm referring to the app i'm working on... i just need a better way to select people Aug 21 06:41:19 http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/chatnoir/chatnoir.html Aug 21 06:41:22 TRAP DAT CAT Aug 21 06:43:46 btw, it is possible ---> http://is.gd/2rlhH Aug 21 06:44:09 oil: what are you working on atm? Aug 21 06:45:04 a update all button Aug 21 06:45:25 yay :D Aug 21 06:45:32 whoever suggested that has some good ideas.. Aug 21 06:45:43 you should listen to what that person has to say :D Aug 21 06:45:53 lol Aug 21 06:46:32 wtf is the point of this game? Aug 21 06:46:51 have you guys seen the metal detector app for the HTC myTouch? Aug 21 06:47:00 what the hell does it use? Aug 21 06:47:01 lol Aug 21 06:47:17 no clue Aug 21 06:47:19 its like the fingerprint scanner. lights and mirrors ;] Aug 21 06:47:31 hahaha Aug 21 06:47:38 maybe, but my friend and i were playing with it and it seemed to work pretty well... Aug 21 06:47:47 someone on pc linked to a "finger print scanner" for palmos Aug 21 06:47:52 is there any way to see the database structure that has been created? Aug 21 06:48:44 HebrewzHammer: perhaps if there's a hall effect sensor it has mild registration of metal proximity Aug 21 06:49:08 what would that sensor be doing on the phone though? Aug 21 06:49:13 accelerometers .. Aug 21 06:49:31 oooohhh Aug 21 06:49:35 ok, yea. Aug 21 06:49:36 they can be generic and measured in diff ways Aug 21 06:50:00 sooo, it may be possible on the pre??? Aug 21 06:50:10 i think you should get to work Aug 21 06:50:14 depends on the sensor Aug 21 06:50:20 we have the hw info Aug 21 06:50:43 oil: whats the point of the game i sent you? Aug 21 06:51:35 it has no fucking point Aug 21 06:51:38 i stoped playing it Aug 21 06:51:47 lol Aug 21 06:53:24 you trap the cat! Aug 21 06:54:46 you should make it for the pre Aug 21 06:54:53 so everyone can play the pointless game Aug 21 06:55:29 so i made the sorting defaults different Aug 21 06:55:39 updates and the everything list default to by date Aug 21 06:55:46 but installed and all the categories default to alphabetical Aug 21 06:55:56 it feels like it makes more sense Aug 21 06:56:42 oil: push changes! Aug 21 06:57:14 wait, u talking about filecoaster? Aug 21 06:57:32 HebrewzHammer: no, preware. Aug 21 06:58:49 * oil has nothing to do with filecoaster Aug 21 06:59:34 * Decimation_ doesn't either.. no one does besides PreGame... it's closed source :P Aug 21 07:00:40 lolol_ Aug 21 07:01:00 that guy who made gDial Pro updates his app like.. every day. Aug 21 07:01:02 i love it. Aug 21 07:01:39 woooow, i just checked the preware page on webos-internals.org. AMAZING!! Why haven't I seen any tutorials or anything to install this? Aug 21 07:01:49 cause its super secret Aug 21 07:01:55 lol Aug 21 07:01:58 lol Aug 21 07:02:07 its not done yet Aug 21 07:02:21 we won't announce it anywhere special till we reach 1.0.0 and support postinst scripts Aug 21 07:02:42 oh, well awesome work Aug 21 07:05:35 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=summary Aug 21 07:05:39 i love how im still unknown Aug 21 07:06:27 oh Aug 21 07:06:29 i know why Aug 21 07:06:32 i need to set that up Aug 21 07:07:54 lol, yeah.. i was like.. who the hell is this unknown guy pushing changes Aug 21 07:08:05 maybe i should stay unknown Aug 21 07:08:09 so i can't be blamed for bugs Aug 21 07:08:14 "oil, did you submit this?" Aug 21 07:08:16 :P Aug 21 07:08:20 uh, it says unknown, so i guess not Aug 21 07:08:47 "oil, did you submit the changes?" Aug 21 07:08:52 "what changes?" Aug 21 07:08:55 :P Aug 21 07:09:01 exactly Aug 21 07:09:47 the update all button is in that version Aug 21 07:09:51 if more then 1 app needs an update Aug 21 07:10:27 nice, i have it installed Aug 21 07:10:32 ill just have to wait for updates i guess. Aug 21 07:10:36 lol Aug 21 07:11:21 on the drop down box Aug 21 07:11:29 that allows you to look through categories Aug 21 07:11:32 while inside a category Aug 21 07:11:43 what about it Aug 21 07:11:51 misc doesn't start with a capital "M" Aug 21 07:12:16 it needs a style Aug 21 07:12:19 * oil adds it to list Aug 21 07:14:24 Decimation: misc ones will be gone in the next update - the app shouldn't do any case changes on Category names. Aug 21 07:14:33 * rwhitby heads out camping for 3 days Aug 21 07:14:38 wha Aug 21 07:14:41 thought you were already gone? Aug 21 07:14:47 * Decimation misses rwhitby already :( Aug 21 07:14:57 rwhitby-- it does do case changes Aug 21 07:15:12 but it works Aug 21 07:15:13 lol Aug 21 07:15:13 it shouldn't need to, all the category names are mixed case Aug 21 07:15:16 has anyone else had problems installing terminal from preware? Aug 21 07:15:20 lowercase for sorting Aug 21 07:15:30 and capitalize classes where they're displayed Aug 21 07:15:49 there is still 'misc' in my emulator Aug 21 07:15:52 even with the changes Aug 21 07:16:01 they're all the apps i have installed that arent in any feeds Aug 21 07:16:15 like, style matters Aug 21 07:16:22 and the different sample apps from palm Aug 21 07:16:47 oil: agreed style matters. yeah, I guess we need to special case the defaults from the Palm SDK Aug 21 07:17:06 what I'm saying is that we expect all the apps from preware.org will have mixed case categories Aug 21 07:17:14 yeah Aug 21 07:17:17 ok, I'm gone now. Have a good weekend everyone. Aug 21 07:17:20 but because misc doesnt Aug 21 07:17:25 im making it work Aug 21 07:17:26 for its case Aug 21 07:17:29 cool. Aug 21 07:17:35 but not to screw anything up Aug 21 07:19:01 have fun being disconnected Aug 21 07:19:09 its refreshing every once in a while Aug 21 07:20:45 * oil hits the sack Aug 21 07:20:46 later Aug 21 07:22:12 sup guys Aug 21 07:23:56 anything special u have to do to install preware? When i run it, it just stays on the updating Aug 21 07:26:41 There's a postinstall script. Aug 21 07:26:50 Often if things aren't working, that script hasn't run. Aug 21 07:27:02 I've also noticed that even after everything is working correctly, the program...well Aug 21 07:27:10 did you run the postinst script? Aug 21 07:28:09 HebrewzHammer: you have to install it from the desktop applicaton - WebOS Quick Install Aug 21 07:28:18 make sure you have version 2.0.1 Aug 21 09:40:10 good morning all Aug 21 09:44:46 bsdbabdit: i havent gone to bed yet so to me its still night but good morning :D Aug 21 09:46:21 s/bsdbabdit/bsdbandit/ Aug 21 09:46:41 no infobot? Aug 21 09:53:47 lol Aug 21 09:53:59 is there a way to get the pre to boot faster Aug 21 09:53:59 ? Aug 21 10:44:28 Hi all.. Aug 21 10:45:26 Do u know when Palm Pre Will exit in Europe in his GSM version? Aug 21 11:06:21 Do u know when Palm Pre Will exit in Europe in his GSM version? Aug 21 11:09:09 No... the latest rumors I think say late October but ; only rumors. I think the US version only gained GSM cert for wifi what... last week ? Aug 21 11:13:54 www.precentral.net/palm-pre-uk-release-date-rumors-late-october Aug 21 11:50:26 hi Aug 21 11:50:36 I installed emulator on ubuntu Aug 21 11:50:57 how to access those it's files and edit them or add files? Aug 21 11:51:10 only using novacom? Aug 21 11:51:17 or I can use file explorer? Aug 21 11:51:20 or terminal? Aug 21 11:51:33 plz explain me what to do.. Aug 21 11:51:34 thanks.. Aug 21 12:03:37 you can ssh to the device Aug 21 12:03:41 emulator Aug 21 13:18:28 woot i can play oggs Aug 21 13:19:34 can one of the ops kick Ikyo...had to do a reboot on my router and forgot to drop Aug 21 13:51:39 Hi Aug 21 13:51:41 need help Aug 21 13:51:55 getting probblem when running Palm emulator on Ubuntu Aug 21 13:52:00 this error comes: Aug 21 13:52:13 A critical error has occurred while running the virtual machine and the machine execution has been stopped. Aug 21 13:52:16 plz help me! Aug 21 13:59:44 plz help me! Aug 21 13:59:48 getting probblem when running Palm emulator on Ubuntu Aug 21 13:59:52 this error comes: Aug 21 13:59:54 A critical error has occurred while running the virtual machine and the machine execution has been stopped. Aug 21 13:59:59 What to do? Aug 21 15:15:51 any css guru's in here? Aug 21 15:42:30 PreGame: maybe Aug 21 15:57:23 nvm, i fixed it with help from lmorchard Aug 21 16:17:12 Hello everyone, can I bother someone for some help for a moment please? :P Aug 21 16:18:38 Xerocide: your best bet is to just ask straight out Aug 21 16:18:50 ie whatever it is you're asking about Aug 21 16:19:03 Good point. Aug 21 16:19:25 Well, I am having a problem with installing the Optware using the script Aug 21 16:19:49 It's saying that "/dev/hdb doesn't exit" Aug 21 16:19:52 exist* Aug 21 16:19:59 Xerocide: on a pre or emulator? Aug 21 16:20:05 Pre Aug 21 16:20:21 Xerocide: odd, the hdb stuff is only supposed to be used on the emulator Aug 21 16:20:40 what commands did you use to grab the script? Aug 21 16:20:49 and execute it Aug 21 16:20:58 "wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/optware-bootstrap.sh" Aug 21 16:21:19 "sh optware-bootstrap.sh" Aug 21 16:23:41 Xerocide: ok would you try this? Aug 21 16:23:52 sh -x optware-bootstrap.sh Aug 21 16:24:04 then copy and paste the entire output into pastebin? Aug 21 16:24:19 http://webos.pastebin.com/ Aug 21 16:24:27 and send the URL Aug 21 16:25:27 Okay, newbie question incoming: How do I copy things from the command prompt? ;) Aug 21 16:25:56 Xerocide: oh, you're using cmd and the novacom tty:/ thing? Aug 21 16:26:40 Hi guys... I need some help in push a new scene. I want to push from "login" to "list". Under Stage Assistant, when first launching the app, it pushes scene to login. Now under login.js, i want to use a button to push scene to list. Any help is much appreciate Aug 21 16:26:54 Yes Aug 21 16:27:11 Saiks: that's more of a #webos question so you may get better answers there Aug 21 16:28:01 ain't the the webos chat board Aug 21 16:28:14 Saiks: no it's for development for webos Aug 21 16:28:33 Can u direct me please Aug 21 16:28:40 just /join #webos Aug 21 16:28:56 Is there another way to install the optware? Aug 21 16:29:29 Thx Aug 21 16:29:31 Xerocide: yeah the manual way, but if you don't mind, you may be able to help us fix a bug Aug 21 16:29:43 Sure :) Aug 21 16:29:56 Xerocide: let's do this. run: sh -x optware-bootstrap.sh > /tmp/logfile 2>&1 Aug 21 16:30:35 then at the command line (not on the pre) Aug 21 16:30:37 Alright, should I upload the logfile somewhere? Aug 21 16:30:44 novacom get /tmp/logile > logfile.txt Aug 21 16:30:58 err that may not be quite right, one sec Aug 21 16:31:47 sorry it's novacom get file://tmp/logfile > logfile.txt Aug 21 16:32:25 Alright Aug 21 16:33:09 then open logfile.txt and copy and paste the contents into http://webos.pastebin.com/ Aug 21 16:33:17 and then we can look at the output Aug 21 16:34:39 Okay, where might I find this logfile.txt? Aug 21 16:34:48 wherever your command prompt was running Aug 21 16:35:00 the directory should have been displayed at the prompt Aug 21 16:36:01 Interesting... Aug 21 16:37:21 you could always write it to a fixed location if you wanted, "del logfile.txt" to delete the first one you downloaded then "novacom get file://tmp/logfile > c:\logfile.txt" or whatever Aug 21 16:38:45 Xerocide: are you able to open up the resulting output? Aug 21 16:40:48 I think I need to start over, lol. Aug 21 16:41:10 lol Aug 21 16:42:04 your best bet is to have two command prompt windows running, one with the tty:/ into the pre Aug 21 16:42:10 and the other just at the regular command line Aug 21 16:42:40 To be clear, I DO need the emulator running to be at root, right? Aug 21 16:42:41 on the pre, run sh -x optware-bootstrap.sh > /tmp/logfile 2>&1 Aug 21 16:42:44 On my pre* Aug 21 16:43:13 Xerocide: emulator? Aug 21 16:43:26 The Pre Emulator Aug 21 16:43:28 Xerocide: you don't need the emulator at all Aug 21 16:43:31 ... Aug 21 16:43:36 Xerocide: what does your command prompt say Aug 21 16:43:46 when you ran novacom to open tty:/ Aug 21 16:44:25 "Unable to find device" Aug 21 16:44:35 but you were in there earlier Aug 21 16:44:41 what DID it say Aug 21 16:44:47 like root@something# Aug 21 16:45:00 Yup Aug 21 16:45:09 Xerocide: what was the something Aug 21 16:45:11 root@castle:/# ←[J Aug 21 16:45:42 ok, castle, cool. If you had the emulator up earlier and it said root@qemux86# then that would explain the whole problem Aug 21 16:46:12 castle = pre Aug 21 16:46:17 qemux86 = emulator Aug 21 16:46:21 Oh okay Aug 21 16:46:35 I wonder if you were running bootstrap on your emulator earlier Aug 21 16:46:37 So my Pre doesn't need to be in "USB Drive" mode, does it? Aug 21 16:47:00 is there a trim function in javascript? Aug 21 16:48:00 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=trim+in+javascript Aug 21 16:49:28 HattCzech: http://javascript.crockford.com/remedial.html Aug 21 16:49:32 hhaahah, thanks oil Aug 21 16:49:45 HattCzech: javascript: the good parts talks about this. Douglas Crockford = the javascript god Aug 21 16:50:08 I recommend that book wholeheartedly Aug 21 16:51:05 i recommend google Aug 21 16:51:55 oil_work: except the first hit on google is a worse implementation than crockford's Aug 21 16:52:34 lol Aug 21 16:52:43 oil_work: I recommend actual research :) Aug 21 16:52:49 google's a good start Aug 21 16:54:21 thats what i get for trying to delete something while in the java web client Aug 21 16:54:29 i go back a page Aug 21 16:54:33 So is there a reason "novacom -t open tty://" gave me "unable to find device" even though my pre is plugged in via USB? Aug 21 16:55:16 what i was going to say, is that o'reilly has a "buy 2 get 1 free" for that book Aug 21 16:55:22 i totally need 3 of them Aug 21 16:56:08 cool Aug 21 16:56:28 one for home, one for work, and a third as a gift? Aug 21 16:57:45 Xerocide: did you enable dev mode? Aug 21 16:57:54 Yes. Aug 21 16:58:09 try unplugging the pre and plugging it back in and try again Aug 21 16:58:51 if that fails, restart the novacom service (start, run, services.msc, ok, then find "Palm Novacom" service and stop it and start it again) then unplug the pre and plug it back in Aug 21 16:58:53 one for home, one for work, one to make the kitchen table stop wobbling Aug 21 16:58:54 LOL! Nevermind...It was off. Aug 21 16:59:00 Silly me, sorry for all the trouble :P Aug 21 16:59:21 Xerocide: ok, that explains it, probably you were in your emulator before which is why it tried the hdb stuff Aug 21 16:59:57 novacom connects to either emulator if running or pre if it can find one over usb, either one Aug 21 17:00:17 oh, the buy 2 get 1 free isn't just for that one book Aug 21 17:00:25 its 2 any books, get another free Aug 21 17:00:28 oil_work: nice Aug 21 17:00:31 Ahh, thank you :) Aug 21 17:00:40 oil_work: I loves me some o'reilly books Aug 21 17:00:55 yeah Aug 21 17:01:02 thats a pretty good deal Aug 21 17:01:12 i might just have to get 3 new books Aug 21 17:03:03 * oil_work checks howmuch money he has Aug 21 17:05:04 I wish safari was full watermarked downloads of everything for a reasonable monthly fee, I'd buy it. Aug 21 17:05:14 as it is it's too limited and too expensive Aug 21 17:34:10 Hi Aug 21 17:34:25 s/Hi/hi/ Aug 21 17:40:11 i have installed the preware app and now my phone is running very slow Aug 21 17:40:24 did i do something wrong, or have others had this problem as well? Aug 21 17:40:34 what happened to infobot? Aug 21 17:46:12 Hi Aug 21 17:46:18 s/Hi/hi/g Aug 21 17:57:30 so i installed webos quick install and ran the tweak to add/remove launch pages Aug 21 17:57:35 how do i add/remove them now? Aug 21 17:58:41 PreGame: arent you supposed to be able to uncheck it? (havent used webos QI yet) Aug 21 18:16:38 What Javascript engine does WebOS use? Aug 21 18:17:06 prototype? Aug 21 18:17:14 No, the interpreter. Aug 21 18:17:22 what's the size limit for cookies? Aug 21 18:18:24 HattCzech: 4k according to the specification. Aug 21 18:18:35 HattCzech: But you can store more information with HTML5 local storage. Aug 21 18:18:59 i may have to switch my storage method to that Aug 21 18:27:16 quotemstr: its based off safari if that helps Aug 21 18:27:57 PreGame: The HTML rendering engine is Webkit, yes. Aug 21 18:30:50 You can use multiple 4k cookies, and what's nice is they get wiped on any uninstall Aug 21 18:31:31 FreeTim: Up to 20 cookies per "unique host or domain name" Aug 21 18:31:58 a-hah. Aug 21 18:31:59 I'm pretty sure it uses v8 like chrome Aug 21 18:32:07 heyy fuys. Aug 21 18:32:09 guys* Aug 21 18:32:14 oil_work: What makes you say that? Aug 21 18:32:15 btw, where'd infobot go. Aug 21 18:32:18 yes it's v8 Aug 21 18:32:23 Ah, cool. Thanks. Aug 21 18:32:27 read it somewheres Aug 21 18:32:37 It's just amusing that people still claim Javascript is "not even compiled to bytecode". Aug 21 18:32:56 with v8 it is Aug 21 18:33:41 Doesn't V8 compile to *machine code*? Aug 21 18:33:51 v8 is only good with vodka Aug 21 18:34:03 http://code.google.com/apis/v8/design.html#mach_code Aug 21 18:34:05 err, actually, yeah, I think it's machine code Aug 21 18:34:26 Pre-Tracemonkey Spidermonkey compiled to bytecode. Aug 21 18:40:32 destinal: ping Aug 21 18:42:37 ~seen destinal Aug 21 18:42:44 i think i broke cookies... I'm getting... Error: EXCEPTION, (URIError): "URI malformed" Aug 21 18:43:12 if i change the cookie name, it works, but i need to figure out how to fix the current cookie (or delete it, which doesn't want to work) Aug 21 18:47:04 Rick_work: infobot is MIA Aug 21 18:47:46 Zuchmir2: ack Aug 21 18:48:16 do u think u will have a chance to look @ kbd for terminal over the weekend? Aug 21 18:49:38 destinal: why is infobot MIA? Aug 21 18:54:56 Zuchmir2: I will try Aug 21 18:55:27 I'm not great with mojo and I've got a family thing planned for most of sunday Aug 21 18:55:46 but I'll try to hack on it tomorrow at least Aug 21 18:55:47 make programming a family affair! Aug 21 18:56:08 oil_work: we're going to a water park before the 80+ degree weather departs colorado Aug 21 18:56:18 ok Aug 21 18:56:19 yeah Aug 21 18:56:23 water and computers dont mix Aug 21 18:56:31 I can't hack terminal on a waterslide, that would be hard and dangerous to my laptop :P Aug 21 18:56:42 lol Aug 21 18:56:54 here is boston we might get a hurricane on sunday, what fun Aug 21 18:56:59 lol Aug 21 18:57:14 destinal: put it in a vaccum bag. Aug 21 18:57:17 weather.com thinks it'll be 87F where I live. here's hoping. Aug 21 18:57:40 Is it me, or is GWT an abomination? Aug 21 18:58:09 quotemstr: don't know, haven't played with it Aug 21 19:04:28 gkatsev: as to infobot's mysterious absence, it's not even logged into freenode Aug 21 19:04:40 not sure who runs it but hopefully they know this Aug 21 19:04:52 someone: get on it Aug 21 19:05:07 damn, i was about to do ~seen infobot, but that wont work without the infobot Aug 21 19:05:11 lmao Aug 21 19:13:18 well, im off for home. need to take my cat to the vet Aug 21 19:21:06 destinal: ok, thanks Aug 21 19:51:44 wsup guys Aug 21 20:03:26 I keep getting "*.patch needs to be refreshed first" Aug 21 20:03:33 any ideas guys? Aug 21 20:03:46 tried quilt delete, quilt refresh, git pull Aug 21 20:07:59 cd /opt/src/modifications Aug 21 20:08:02 then git pull Aug 21 20:08:03 tried tha t Aug 21 20:08:04 ? Aug 21 20:08:15 sudo vi /opt/src/modifications/.git/config Aug 21 20:08:19 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches Aug 21 20:08:32 make sure ur config file looks like the one in the wiki Aug 21 20:08:38 Let me look at the config... thanx Aug 21 20:09:05 np Aug 21 20:10:41 config is as it should be.... Aug 21 20:10:53 quilt series Aug 21 20:11:16 nothing Aug 21 20:12:26 # /opt/src/modifications/install Aug 21 20:12:39 sh /opt/src/modifications/install add-onscreen-keyboard.patch Aug 21 20:12:47 egaudet_work: i noticed you have to have it already installed to use that Aug 21 20:12:50 gives me could not pop patch Aug 21 20:12:57 yea it needs to be fixed Aug 21 20:13:09 damnit, fine Aug 21 20:13:19 Webizard: do Aug 21 20:13:19 find /opt/src/modifications -name *.patch Aug 21 20:13:24 tell me what u get Aug 21 20:13:31 quilt import -f /opt/src/modifications// Aug 21 20:13:39 all the patches Aug 21 20:13:41 ok Aug 21 20:13:42 cd / Aug 21 20:13:47 yup Aug 21 20:13:52 make sure u in the root Aug 21 20:13:57 indeed Aug 21 20:13:58 then Aug 21 20:13:58 quilt import /opt/src/modifications/application_name/patch_name.patch Aug 21 20:14:19 u can copy and paste from the list that was generated before Aug 21 20:14:25 egaudet_work: u gonna update the git script Aug 21 20:14:25 ? Aug 21 20:14:30 tonight Aug 21 20:14:37 ok cool Aug 21 20:14:43 i gotta get the windows git client Aug 21 20:14:51 egaudet_work: Aug 21 20:15:01 Webizard: then after it imports Aug 21 20:15:02 do Aug 21 20:15:03 quilt series Aug 21 20:15:09 and u should see the name of the patch u imported Aug 21 20:15:18 then do Aug 21 20:15:22 quilt push -a Aug 21 20:15:41 you can edit the install script and modify line 91.. change "series" to "applied" and it should work Aug 21 20:17:19 many thanks atlanta. Aug 21 20:17:24 let me fiddle with it Aug 21 20:17:42 Webizard: no problem Aug 21 20:18:46 egaudet_work: line 91 is quilt pop -a Aug 21 20:19:28 must be old Aug 21 20:19:40 egaudet_work: lol might be the problem Aug 21 20:19:47 git pull? Aug 21 20:21:31 atlanta, see if this install script works Aug 21 20:21:40 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=webos/modifications.git;a=blob;f=install;h=490ee1d6249a8eee4a6b488d97100febc340cd04;hb=HEAD Aug 21 20:22:25 egaudet_work: ok Aug 21 20:26:03 egaudet_work: why does it tell me Patch /opt/src/patches/add-onscreen-keyboard.patch does not remove cleanly (refresh it or enforce with -f) Aug 21 20:27:11 The patch or files must have changed since the push Aug 21 20:27:27 I'm just gonna change the script to do a blind quilt pop -a -f, quilt import -f, quilt push -a Aug 21 20:32:54 ok Aug 21 20:33:06 yea that should be the only problem no Aug 21 20:33:10 ill change it now and see Aug 21 20:33:54 it worked after add -f to 91 Aug 21 20:34:11 cool Aug 21 20:42:01 What is Preware Patch Utility and Optware Loopback Mount/UnMount? Can't find a wikipage on those. Aug 21 20:42:30 czarphanguye: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Aug 21 20:42:46 And the optware is a directory that it mounts Aug 21 20:43:26 atlanta: perhaps you misunderstand. I know what preware is, yet there are two new ipkg in webos feed. "preware patch utility" and "optware loopback mount/unmount" Aug 21 20:43:42 czarphanguye: indeed i did Aug 21 20:43:43 lol Aug 21 20:43:53 ill check it out now just got back onlien Aug 21 20:44:37 overheard rwhitby mention that the patch utility was just an idea or something.. guess I'll install them and check it out. Aug 21 20:44:40 what section you in Aug 21 20:44:48 list of everything, under TXT Manager Aug 21 20:44:59 oh yea he did say something about it Aug 21 20:45:02 it is to warn you Aug 21 20:45:07 consent to run code Aug 21 20:45:08 there u go Aug 21 20:48:20 no i think it's different from the consent thing Aug 21 21:04:02 Mmmm... clicked install for "optware loopback mount/unmount" and it's just chilling. Sort of concerned. Aug 21 21:04:34 i got the extended 1350 battery from seidio, now the battery life is at 60% instead of 35%. its great Aug 21 21:04:58 gkatsev: does it make the pre thicker? Aug 21 21:05:04 gkat, does it use the same back? i got my touchstone cover on Aug 21 21:05:15 ^^ what tlz said ;-) Aug 21 21:05:30 yeah, the 1350 from seidio and the 1400 from azmar or w/e is the same size as palm's battery Aug 21 21:05:34 so, same back Aug 21 21:05:38 and works with touchstone just fine Aug 21 21:05:42 i love my touchstone.. picked it up from work for $35 Aug 21 21:05:47 nice Aug 21 21:05:53 i need to get another one for work... Aug 21 21:06:02 imma get one for work, and one for my car Aug 21 21:06:03 lol Aug 21 21:06:06 i love that thing Aug 21 21:06:11 but then id need to get another cable/charger Aug 21 21:06:21 i get those for like $3 :( Aug 21 21:06:35 tlz: want to get me one? Aug 21 21:06:49 you need a car charger? or wall charger? Aug 21 21:07:40 wall charger and a second touchstone, lol Aug 21 21:08:21 * gkatsev is a college student and doesnt have enough money to get a second wallcharger and touchstone... Aug 21 21:10:12 lol Aug 21 21:10:17 ill see if we have any in stock Aug 21 21:10:25 me and my boss baught up the two we had Aug 21 21:10:26 lol Aug 21 21:11:39 tlz: i guess then the problem would be getting it to me, lol Aug 21 21:15:40 could anyone point into the right direction to manipulate the network manager to access wireless networks via peap=mschapv2 Aug 21 21:15:56 or any resources or someone I could contact Aug 21 21:17:38 scasplte2: i think palm has their own network manager Aug 21 21:17:47 they arent using wpa_supplicant Aug 21 21:17:49 or anything like that Aug 21 21:17:53 err Aug 21 21:17:55 they are Aug 21 21:17:56 though dbus Aug 21 21:18:02 i would have to imagine Aug 21 21:18:19 but their manager isnt opensource that i beleive Aug 21 21:18:21 or documented Aug 21 21:19:07 thats what I was afraid of Aug 21 21:19:22 I gotten peap-mschapv2 to work through optware Aug 21 21:19:30 but it drains the battery very quickly Aug 21 21:19:34 and I lose EV-DO Aug 21 21:20:27 I was just wondering if there was a way to manipulate the palm one but if not I'll just have to wait for palm to update it Aug 21 21:20:50 that doesnt make much sense Aug 21 21:20:58 i mean it does run wpa_supplication Aug 21 21:21:02 wpa_supplicant Aug 21 21:21:13 so you could overwrite /etc/init.d/networking Aug 21 21:21:17 and make your own scripts Aug 21 21:21:19 infact Aug 21 21:21:31 we could probably make our own wpa_supplicant gui for mojo Aug 21 21:21:37 and bypass palms Aug 21 21:23:17 I don't know any java or anything to build the app but the implementation could be done Aug 21 21:23:54 well we will soon be able to write non java sercices Aug 21 21:23:56 services Aug 21 21:24:06 i am working with someone to reverse engineer lunaservices.h Aug 21 21:24:11 so that we can build C/C++ services Aug 21 21:24:21 and we are mostly done Aug 21 21:24:34 that would be cool Aug 21 21:26:44 does anyone have fancy scripts for blowing apart webos doctor images and then putting them back together with corrected hashes? Aug 21 21:28:51 i wrote one today for solving my specific problem but i am wondering if anyone out there has a more general collection Aug 21 21:32:51 hi... i'm trying to flash a pre but got stuck on the novaproxy.py command Aug 21 21:34:06 anyone? Aug 21 21:36:14 If the script does not work, or tells you there is a problem and the provided instructions don't help, join our IRC channel (irc.freenode.net #webos-internals) and feel free to ask for help. Aug 21 21:36:26 the script didn't work Aug 21 21:40:41 pocketman: 'stuck'? any error or something to work w/? Aug 21 21:43:21 ok, i installed python 2.6 for windows, i saved the novaproxy.py file and then tried running it and it won't do anything after that Aug 21 21:43:48 novaproxy? I thought that stuff was defunct by novaterm Aug 21 21:44:06 pocketman: enable dev mod? Aug 21 21:44:13 yea Aug 21 21:44:56 i did Aug 21 21:45:12 pocketman: k, sorry I can't help. Haven't used windows in years, perhaps someone in here that does would reply. Aug 21 21:45:33 ok thanks for your reply anyways Aug 21 22:07:15 I need some beta testers for Checkers 1.7.0, anyone interested? Aug 21 22:18:30 Nobody is? Aug 21 22:20:04 in my country, checkers are illegal Aug 21 22:25:43 I am having a problem flashing a rebuilt image using web doctor. Several files fail validation but when I run the md5 tool to compare them against the md5sums file they match up Aug 21 22:26:22 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/186296-how-pack-nova-cust-image-castle-rootfs-tar-gz.html Aug 21 22:26:27 that is the error I get basically Aug 21 22:26:50 i haven't modified those files (for example: ./usr/libexec/xtables/libipt_TTL.so) Aug 21 22:27:07 tlz: What do you mean? Aug 21 22:48:35 I need some beta testers, anyone? Aug 21 22:52:28 for what kesne__ Aug 21 22:52:41 For Checkers 1.7.0 Aug 21 22:52:51 k Aug 21 22:55:27 do I have permission to use the peguin w/ the pre from webos-internals in my app? Aug 21 22:55:39 penguin* Aug 21 22:58:30 i think ur good as long as you put something about it in the credits heh Aug 21 23:45:44 kesne_: still here? Aug 21 23:59:26 so for HTML5 storage, is that just a database? Aug 22 00:06:19 yes Aug 22 00:07:11 so i'd need to create tables and all that fun stuff? Aug 22 00:12:46 HattCzech: probably. Aug 22 00:13:28 HattCzech: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mojo_Storage_Database Aug 22 00:19:34 urg, that just makes my life more difficult Aug 22 00:20:26 is there a reasonable way to store objects in databases? Aug 22 00:30:33 HattCzech: all sqlite fields are data-agnostic. Aug 22 00:30:41 just call them strings, and stuff your object in Aug 22 00:30:44 and they work just fine Aug 22 00:30:51 nice Aug 22 00:30:56 what's the big deal? Creating tables is dirt simple Aug 22 00:31:04 Go read the sqlite howto pages. Aug 22 00:31:15 * Rick_home makes sql tables in his sleep Aug 22 00:31:51 i just thought tables would be overkill Aug 22 00:32:00 creating them isn't too bad Aug 22 00:32:14 it's just the whole "first run" stuff that i don't like Aug 22 00:35:24 again, HattCzech first run in sqlite is dead easy, Aug 22 00:35:36 open database creates the database. Aug 22 00:35:44 doesn't matter if itexists or not Aug 22 00:35:47 does it create the tables as well? Aug 22 00:36:05 then "Create table if not exist things (string mythings)" Aug 22 00:36:09 select * from users... if i have no table named users... what will happen? Aug 22 00:36:14 okay Aug 22 00:36:19 you have to have one. Aug 22 00:36:48 but if you just do create table if not exist users (string username, string password, string howsmart) Aug 22 00:36:55 it makes it if it doesn't exist and skips if it does Aug 22 00:36:58 simple simple simple Aug 22 00:37:02 sqlite is niceness Aug 22 00:37:08 excellent, that is nice Aug 22 00:38:13 really, go to the sqlite how to pages Aug 22 00:47:07 I need beta testers Aug 22 00:47:13 anyone care to help? Aug 22 00:47:50 throw it up on precentral Aug 22 00:47:55 thats what its there for Aug 22 00:48:05 I can't Aug 22 00:48:14 why Aug 22 00:48:25 why not? Aug 22 00:51:30 anyone know any good apps to auto generate a web page I am lazy .. Aug 22 00:51:55 like a cms? Aug 22 00:52:28 just something to make a basic framed web page Aug 22 00:52:39 kesne_ just put it on pre central? Aug 22 00:55:06 Hello I am a basic webpage Aug 22 00:55:19 lol Aug 22 00:55:29 yeah already got that one Aug 22 00:55:46 webs.com Aug 22 00:56:07 thanks Aug 22 00:56:11 might use drupal Aug 22 00:56:23 wordpress > Drupal Aug 22 00:57:18 how is a blog better than a cms? Aug 22 00:58:36 wordpress is not a blog Aug 22 00:58:50 wordpress is a php site management framework Aug 22 00:59:00 it's SIMPLER than drupal, but just as extensible. Aug 22 00:59:26 as a matter of fact, only ONE of the various sites that I run on wordpress CONTAIN a blog. -- out of perhaps 20 Aug 22 00:59:43 drupal is massive overkill for most people Aug 22 01:00:29 <3 wp Aug 22 01:00:34 Express yourself. Start a blog. Aug 22 01:00:40 quote from wordpress.com Aug 22 01:00:42 though i prefer rolling my own Aug 22 01:00:55 i have only seen wordpress sites to contain blogs and stories Aug 22 01:01:06 keen-studios.net Aug 22 01:01:09 Wordpress Aug 22 01:01:15 PreGame: than you haven't seen many wordpress sites. Aug 22 01:01:23 http://tlhsecurity.blogspot.com/ Aug 22 01:01:29 =p Aug 22 01:02:29 all about pre security Aug 22 01:02:29 http://www.oa.org Aug 22 01:03:26 http://www.queens.unimelb.edu.au/ Aug 22 01:03:56 http://ualr.edu/ Aug 22 01:03:58 are all the people in that picture trying to eat the world? Aug 22 01:04:32 oa.org suffer from html injection FYI Aug 22 01:04:37 lol Aug 22 01:04:50 http://golf-royalty.com/ Aug 22 01:05:50 awww i remember html and sql injection days Aug 22 01:07:07 lol @ oa and html injection Aug 22 01:24:32 any body use more_icons_per_row and changed it to 4 Aug 22 01:24:32 ? Aug 22 01:25:09 more_icons_per_row patch that is Aug 22 01:33:47 erm Aug 22 01:37:21 what is the best way of going about learning js? I never ended up learning java or java script. I did pearl and php over it. Aug 22 01:37:35 do Aug 22 01:38:07 i just started writing code and readin Aug 22 01:38:11 *shrug* Aug 22 01:38:53 Ikyo: just start reading code and doing Aug 22 01:38:53 about the only thing I have done so far is crash the contacts application :) I was trying to add another selectable field and it died. Aug 22 01:39:03 Read Douglas Crocford's web site Aug 22 01:39:12 and watch his javascript class videos, Aug 22 01:39:20 on yahoo video Aug 22 01:39:23 they're great Aug 22 01:39:31 would the webos manual help much? Aug 22 01:39:38 and get a copy of "Javascript: The Good Parts" Aug 22 01:39:47 Ikyo: the web os manual sucks dead bunnies Aug 22 01:40:53 okay, here is try number 2 at breaking Palm's contact app :) Anyone want to help? Aug 22 01:41:24 what are u trying to break? Aug 22 01:41:52 Are you familiar with HattCzech's app? Aug 22 01:42:04 name? Aug 22 01:42:13 TXT manager Aug 22 01:42:40 ahh yeah havve heard of it Aug 22 01:42:42 it allows you to assign different tones to SMS messages received from different people Aug 22 01:42:53 lol Aug 22 01:42:54 nice Aug 22 01:42:58 I was going to modify the contacts application to allow the change directly into it. Aug 22 01:43:21 oh Aug 22 01:43:30 I was thinking about applying the lock feature to individual apps Aug 22 01:43:58 It already has the ability to select ringtones. I was just going to copy the ringtone code and put it in for msgtones. Aug 22 01:44:36 Ikyo: copying is no fun heheheh Aug 22 01:46:06 I wasn't copying Hatt's code. I was copying Palm's code :) Aug 22 01:46:11 well off to interact with my social life bbl Aug 22 01:47:12 Jackie, I think I am going to start trying to get the pagernagger script into sometype of application Aug 22 01:49:17 I also have the 1.15 files on my emulator now if someone still needs them Aug 22 01:52:57 Rick I should hire you to teach me script and java Aug 22 01:59:03 well I did something right Aug 22 02:00:39 I'm a good teacher, but I'm expensive. Aug 22 02:01:02 I believe things that are worth it are worth paying for Aug 22 02:01:05 Ikyo, seriously, read through the tutorial on porting older JS apps in the wiki and walk through the CODE in the example page Aug 22 02:01:23 then, Go find some old piece of crap javascript game or utility and port it to the pre. Aug 22 02:01:39 By the time you're done, you'll have 80% of what you need to do mojo programming, and I don't know a faster way Aug 22 02:02:10 It is really that easy? Aug 22 02:02:34 I know that isn't easy, but a lot easier then it was learning C and some others. Aug 22 02:04:13 anyone want to come train my dogs while I do some porting :) Aug 22 02:09:54 Well auto correct looks like it is done by the SmartTextEngine in libWebKitLuna.so Aug 22 02:11:24 how did u find out Aug 22 02:11:27 And they steal the key presses from clipboard events Aug 22 02:11:42 s/from/for Aug 22 02:11:51 grep'ing around Aug 22 02:17:08 webkit-clipboard? Aug 22 02:17:53 yea but they don't send me the key event (c,x,v) when holding the gesture down, so I can't catch it and not bring up the keyboard Aug 22 02:18:25 got ya Aug 22 02:27:51 does anyone use like dreamweaver to do their coding in? Aug 22 02:42:33 anyone able to help me with ssh? i followed directions like they said and still having a few problems..can someone message me? thanks guys Aug 22 02:42:47 if its not working within a few min ill forget about it haha Aug 22 02:43:49 im getting network error: connection timed out Aug 22 02:54:08 hey everyone. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 22 02:59:57 2009