**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 31 02:59:57 2009 Aug 31 03:30:47 * rwhitby bbl Aug 31 03:39:30 Would it be possible to patch the OS to mute the audio notifications while the phone app is in use? Aug 31 03:41:47 Is 1.2 out yet Aug 31 03:41:50 :P Aug 31 03:41:57 lol i wish Aug 31 03:42:13 I just watched a video of a guy claiming he had 1.2 Aug 31 03:42:15 I would just be pleased if Palm just took all our mods and put it all into one update Aug 31 03:42:43 Probably just some hack into the device info screen Aug 31 03:42:52 It would be great if they jumped right up to version 13.37, and made it everything would could have ever asked for Aug 31 03:43:10 Thats not very realisitc Aug 31 03:43:52 Yeah I guess now Aug 31 03:43:55 not* Aug 31 03:45:55 Soo what's new with the virtual keyboard? Aug 31 03:46:04 what about it Aug 31 03:46:12 I haven't been able to test as Preware won't install it Aug 31 03:46:27 Its still alpha and not realistically useable Aug 31 03:46:41 You can't type as fast as it will allow Aug 31 03:47:01 Like say if you hit P 3 times in a row fast Aug 31 03:47:08 it might show up once or twice Aug 31 03:51:10 Hmm I cant get the SMS tone for each contact to work... Aug 31 04:01:48 Keyboard worked excellent while I was overclocking Aug 31 04:03:46 overclocking is locking up my pre Aug 31 04:04:30 Only when I winSCP, root or google maps or something Aug 31 04:06:27 What file renders the chat view of the messaging app? Aug 31 04:06:30 Never did that for me Aug 31 04:08:02 When implemented the msgtone patch and it off centered the icon for other people Aug 31 04:08:08 or avater (whatever you call it) Aug 31 04:09:39 /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/ is the folder Aug 31 04:09:54 ya i got that Aug 31 04:10:11 Then app/controllers chatview-assistant.js Aug 31 04:10:20 mmk Aug 31 04:10:37 Ill have to look at the patch code and see what it did Aug 31 04:11:13 Hey all, can anyone answer a quick question about the Onscreen keyboard? Does the Linux access method of install (sh install_kb) install in the same manor as Preware... If I want to update the kb can I just go through Preware although I didn't install it via preware? Aug 31 04:14:21 hmm... Aug 31 04:14:48 You should install it via Preware if you want to manage it via Preware Aug 31 04:14:59 damnit my phone locked up again Aug 31 04:15:31 Kap, what is your current exec line? Aug 31 04:17:21 k4p741nkrunch, Do you think its necessary to unintsall via cmd prompt beofre installign with Preware? Aug 31 04:17:32 It wouldnt hurt Aug 31 04:17:34 Yes I would say so Aug 31 04:17:40 Were you using quilt to manage it? Aug 31 04:17:44 Ikyo, are you online? Aug 31 04:17:46 Or WebOSQuickInstall Aug 31 04:17:55 If you used quick install you should be fine Aug 31 04:18:55 I'm not sure if I was necessarily using quilt... I simply used the commands giving from the wiki... get pull sh install_kb Aug 31 04:19:21 That uses quilt Aug 31 04:19:29 Well I guess that quilt.... right. Aug 31 04:19:47 If you just go to your ssh and type this you should be fine to install it through Preware Aug 31 04:20:00 mount -o remount,rw / Aug 31 04:20:05 cd / Aug 31 04:20:09 quilt pop -a Aug 31 04:20:31 quilt delete /opt/src/patches/frameworks/add-onscreen-keyboard.patch Aug 31 04:20:38 quilt push -a Aug 31 04:20:49 mount -o remount,ro / Aug 31 04:21:01 evening gents Aug 31 04:21:33 Cool, thanks for the help I probably would have been able to piece together all the commands but that makes it much easier! Aug 31 04:22:18 Its 12 am here Eguy :) Aug 31 04:22:19 And abyssul it's Aug 31 04:23:09 exec /opt/sbin/cpuspeed -i 2 -M 600000 -r -p 55 75 Aug 31 04:23:17 mmk Aug 31 04:23:50 And as more patches come out in Preware I would do the same steps to remove them Aug 31 04:24:30 hi guys Aug 31 04:24:34 can i ask for help here? Aug 31 04:24:45 Depends what it is Aug 31 04:24:51 I hate using quilt right now because I've modified things on top of the patches that access the same files, when I pop and push the mods get overwritten Aug 31 04:25:02 Yep Aug 31 04:25:04 k4p741nkrunch, Cool I will add the steps to my cheat sheet i've created. Aug 31 04:25:07 With Preware it doesn't pop all the patches first Aug 31 04:25:22 tried to set up sftp, now i can't connect to the pre with novaterm Aug 31 04:25:22 I have to do that for the charging battery sound Aug 31 04:25:32 or putty, or winscp Aug 31 04:25:36 aex0 were you able to before? Aug 31 04:25:39 yes Aug 31 04:25:49 the very last step was to reboot the pre Aug 31 04:25:58 after that, novaterm fails to connect Aug 31 04:26:41 i thought putty couldn't connect because maybe i didn't change the shell to bash correctly (tho i tried) Aug 31 04:26:42 did you go through the steps to ipkg-opt install openssh-sftp-server Aug 31 04:26:45 yes Aug 31 04:26:59 Did you visudo? Aug 31 04:27:05 yes Aug 31 04:27:11 Hmm Preware is having trouble updating my OCK Aug 31 04:27:15 You could have mixed something up in that file that blocks you Aug 31 04:27:17 except as far as i could tell, i didn't need to change anything Aug 31 04:27:20 in the sudoers file Aug 31 04:27:31 Did you change anything? Aug 31 04:27:37 myusername ALL=NOPASSWD: /opt/libexec/sftp-server was already there Aug 31 04:27:47 right underneath the ALL-ALL line Aug 31 04:27:55 you had to replace it with your username Aug 31 04:27:58 You did that right Aug 31 04:28:01 well, that's what i meant Aug 31 04:28:05 Making sure :P Aug 31 04:28:08 it was already there though Aug 31 04:28:21 Well that makes no sense if thats the first time you were installing it Aug 31 04:28:24 was it not supposed to be? Aug 31 04:28:28 o_O Aug 31 04:28:43 Sounds like you were already running it Aug 31 04:28:49 Do you have terminal on your Pre? Aug 31 04:29:01 what do you mean? Aug 31 04:29:06 Ther terminal app Aug 31 04:29:11 The* Aug 31 04:29:12 umm no,i dont think so Aug 31 04:29:22 Install that via PreWare if you have that Aug 31 04:29:31 i <3 Preware Aug 31 04:29:36 i only have filecoaster? Aug 31 04:29:40 And can you get your phone in dev mode and have QuickInstall recognize it? Aug 31 04:29:53 Filecoaster doesn't have Preware on it, I think it's a competition thing :P Aug 31 04:30:00 oh lol Aug 31 04:30:07 um i'll check on how to install preware Aug 31 04:30:11 You have to install Preware via QuickInstall anyways Aug 31 04:30:19 i hope it doesn't involve using the computer...? Aug 31 04:30:49 k4p741nkrunch: it is not a compatition, it is because preware requires the installation of its service and fileCoaster cannot install services Aug 31 04:30:56 Yep Aug 31 04:31:27 * Abyssul bows to PreGame Aug 31 04:31:35 lol Aug 31 04:31:37 hello Aug 31 04:31:45 Thou speakth? Aug 31 04:31:57 only for a quick second Aug 31 04:31:59 headed to bed Aug 31 04:32:06 sudo make me a cake? Aug 31 04:33:09 I did redeem myself there :P Aug 31 04:33:12 kap, I replaced those files with stock files Aug 31 04:33:24 and it still had offcentered icons Aug 31 04:33:34 I might have to replace the whole app folder Aug 31 04:34:01 I could probably send you my folder if you need it Aug 31 04:34:25 Its probably that damn message landscape patch Aug 31 04:34:29 Its in my quilt series Aug 31 04:34:40 Wait Aug 31 04:34:52 Do you have message landscape or message-orientation Aug 31 04:35:02 messagelandscape.patch Aug 31 04:35:03 Landscape is crap-patch Aug 31 04:35:12 Damn thing Aug 31 04:35:15 I suspect the trojanz Aug 31 04:35:20 lol Aug 31 04:35:43 Actually Aug 31 04:35:45 I have both Aug 31 04:35:45 rofl Aug 31 04:36:02 Abyssul: still evening for me ;) Aug 31 04:36:05 Abyssul have we learned how to solve problems today? :P Aug 31 04:36:14 jkjk Aug 31 04:36:18 Only for today Aug 31 04:36:20 But seriously Aug 31 04:36:23 Tomorrow is a whole new set of problems Aug 31 04:36:31 I just love messing with my Pre Aug 31 04:36:37 Its like a new hobbt Aug 31 04:36:43 thats hobby, not hobbit :( Aug 31 04:36:45 That's why I call my device 'The PrEject' Aug 31 04:37:07 oh hah, i do have quickinstall Aug 31 04:37:12 just not the latest version Aug 31 04:37:13 And you're ignorant if the first thing you see there is reject Aug 31 04:37:19 i'll update it first Aug 31 04:37:22 it's why I capitalized the E Aug 31 04:37:57 k4p741nkrunch, I suppose a luna restart is sufficient enough (after the removal of the KB via quilt) before installing via Preware? Aug 31 04:38:02 I dont get it Kap lol Aug 31 04:38:08 aex0 put device in developer mode, reboot, then open quick install and tell me if it recognizes the device Aug 31 04:38:19 Yep of course MLJ Aug 31 04:38:19 Reboot MLJones Aug 31 04:38:35 Preware reboots the phone when it installs the OSK Aug 31 04:38:38 Conflicting information it seems.. Aug 31 04:38:47 'Choose wisely.. Aug 31 04:39:05 This statement is false. Aug 31 04:39:21 Which? Aug 31 04:39:30 And Abyssul I go far out of my way to make sure people don't understand me. If I can't, then noone can Aug 31 04:39:45 pkill LunaSysMgr Aug 31 04:39:46 Sounds like a plan Aug 31 04:39:56 It doesn't matter MLJones Aug 31 04:40:09 Ok. thanks. Aug 31 04:40:10 Reboot is just a sure way that it sets up the Pre correctly Aug 31 04:40:28 pkill is faster, but might not work for certain hacks Aug 31 04:40:28 kills ssh sessions though which he's probably working in Aug 31 04:40:37 mmk Aug 31 04:40:49 Don't want to make the man work now! Aug 31 04:40:50 It just takes so long... and yes I also don't like having to log back in. Aug 31 04:41:10 Damnit I still cant fix this off center icon Aug 31 04:41:14 Thats why you get a pretty custom boot screen Aug 31 04:41:16 Like naked ladies Aug 31 04:41:17 I work during the day... and prefer to do as little work as possible during the night. Aug 31 04:41:18 can't seem to get preware service installed Aug 31 04:41:24 just my phone is super slow now Aug 31 04:41:31 That makes the reboot process seem so much more enticing Aug 31 04:41:47 PreGame did you install it before Preware Aug 31 04:41:53 no Aug 31 04:42:01 It has to be installed before PreWare Aug 31 04:42:11 If you could make the boot screens fade faster, you might be able to have some animated action Kap Aug 31 04:42:19 Select Package Manager Service and Preware from the list. Aug 31 04:42:23 I have the sickest boot screen Aug 31 04:42:26 they might want to fix it then Aug 31 04:42:41 Yeah I selected package manager, installed it, then went back for PreWare Aug 31 04:42:54 I believe the original instructions had it that way, must have changed Aug 31 04:43:16 Man this touchstone setup makes me truly in love with the Pre Aug 31 04:43:27 I feel like the captain of a starship :P Aug 31 04:43:31 Keep it in your pants Aug 31 04:44:04 Hey no Aug 31 04:44:04 w Aug 31 04:44:25 But then I wouldn't be able to use all it's amazing features! I love the sensitivity.. Oh wait you mean.. Aug 31 04:45:03 Abyssul you should see my boot screen Aug 31 04:45:10 ok, i rebooted the pre and everything Aug 31 04:45:11 That USB port is for data only... Aug 31 04:45:21 quickinstall doesn't seem to see it Aug 31 04:45:21 Upload0rz? Aug 31 04:45:43 i clicked on the third icon down on the right which asks me to connect the pre and click ok Aug 31 04:45:49 and it says error no device found Aug 31 04:45:54 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/197466-custom-boot-screens-4.html#post1841836 Aug 31 04:46:04 Finally fixed that off center icon in the messaging app Aug 31 04:46:15 It was the messageoritation.patch Aug 31 04:46:21 aex0 is your phone in developer mode? Aug 31 04:46:24 yes Aug 31 04:46:29 Thats not sick Aug 31 04:46:41 i never turned dev mode off Aug 31 04:46:41 Abyssul you shut your whore mouth Aug 31 04:46:46 Lol Aug 31 04:47:07 you say novaterm won't connect either? Aug 31 04:47:34 i just click connect button Aug 31 04:47:44 and it says failed to connect to novacomd Aug 31 04:47:52 it's just localhost, right? Aug 31 04:47:57 should i put something else? Aug 31 04:48:17 If you open a command prompt and type novacom -t open tty:// what happens Aug 31 04:48:35 unable to find device Aug 31 04:48:49 Now lemme ask something totally unoffensive Aug 31 04:48:53 Is it plugged in through USB Aug 31 04:49:00 yeah Aug 31 04:49:02 I find that offensive Aug 31 04:49:08 And you have it on "Just charge" Aug 31 04:49:11 yeah Aug 31 04:49:30 Hmm, try this Aug 31 04:49:31 aex0, is novaterm started? If you stopped the service to remove (eject) your pre you must turn it back on in order to connect. Aug 31 04:49:35 Turn your phone off Aug 31 04:49:52 PreGame: thanks for the feedback on the installation instructions - I've updated them to make clear the need to install them one at a time. Aug 31 04:49:57 Then hold down the volume up button and turn it back on Aug 31 04:50:10 Your welcome rwhitby Aug 31 04:50:18 :P Aug 31 04:50:57 why the volume up button? Aug 31 04:51:26 Its kinda like developer mode without developer mode. If you hold that combination it allows your computer to access your phone Aug 31 04:51:27 I was sure Jason had fixed that bug, but if PreGame is reporting it's still not working then we need to install them separately to work around the problem in WebOS Quick Install. Aug 31 04:51:30 and how do i restart novaterm? Aug 31 04:51:37 (in case that's the problem) Aug 31 04:52:41 I had an error updating the Package Manager Service, looked like the User Secure Consent form screwed up and had to uninstall both and reinstall one at a time just the other day Aug 31 04:52:49 aex0, to create a shortcut to start novaterm open up notepad, place only these in the document (NET START "Palm Novacom") with out the parentheses, then save the notpad document as NovaStart.bat Aug 31 04:53:07 easiet Aug 31 04:53:09 easier Aug 31 04:53:30 just go to command prompt then type edit PreConnect.bat Aug 31 04:53:46 :) Aug 31 04:54:03 then type @echo off *next line* net start "Palm Novacom" Aug 31 04:54:23 Puts it in your user directory so you just have to go to run and type PreConnect Aug 31 04:54:38 I did the same thing but named mine "OMGROFLHAX" Aug 31 04:54:42 lol Aug 31 04:55:21 I also changed my carrier string to "root this bitch" Aug 31 04:55:38 On a side note Aug 31 04:56:26 Mines just Palm Aug 31 04:56:33 Oh its Palm Pre Aug 31 04:56:47 Oh it's Palm Pre Haxsauce Aug 31 04:57:08 :P Sorry I just love progression Aug 31 04:57:24 ok, still not recognized Aug 31 04:57:28 aex0 how'd the volume button go Aug 31 04:57:30 Damn Aug 31 04:57:33 i restarted it? Aug 31 04:57:42 You have to turn it totally off Aug 31 04:57:44 is there any indication if i did that correctly? Aug 31 04:57:52 i did Aug 31 04:57:54 Then hold the volume up button and then turn it on Aug 31 04:58:04 and then i rebooted while holding the up button Aug 31 04:58:08 Can doctor see it Aug 31 04:58:19 And yeah it should boot the normal screen for the phone Aug 31 04:58:24 shound't* Aug 31 04:58:31 should not Aug 31 04:58:34 oh Aug 31 04:58:38 what should it boot Aug 31 04:59:01 It should just stay on the boot screen since that's the shortcut to give you bootie access Aug 31 04:59:19 If all else fails, the doctor should be able to see it Aug 31 04:59:24 ok, probably didn't do it right then Aug 31 04:59:25 In that mode Aug 31 04:59:27 lemme reboot again Aug 31 04:59:46 I havn't been following but are ya'll setting up a webos doctor? Aug 31 05:01:11 Nah I'm just saying in that mode even if novacom doesn't work the doctor should Aug 31 05:01:26 And if THAT doesn't work, something is seriously bork bork borked Aug 31 05:02:07 well so the novacom driver doesn't seem to be running Aug 31 05:02:29 maybe i should reinstall it? Aug 31 05:02:29 What OD are you running Aug 31 05:02:31 OS* Aug 31 05:02:35 vista 32 Aug 31 05:02:37 Damn my typey skills tonight Aug 31 05:02:47 i safely removed it, and i haven't seen it run ever since Aug 31 05:02:54 Oh NP you should have no special instructions, just reinstall Aug 31 05:03:06 You safely removed from a novacom session? Aug 31 05:03:13 I've never tried that Aug 31 05:03:30 You may have just discovered a bug Aug 31 05:03:35 um i think i just closed all my sessions, then before unplugging the pre, i safely removed it Aug 31 05:03:38 And I don't care what you say it ain't a feature Aug 31 05:03:46 haha Aug 31 05:04:11 hey guys I'm kinda new to javascript and it seems like errors are going by pretty silently in my code Aug 31 05:04:31 is there anyway to go about seing silly syntax errors or something easier? Aug 31 05:04:38 Well you say you terminated the sessions so you should be fine, but if you failed to terminate a session maybe the phone still thinks you're logged in Aug 31 05:04:39 I don't see much come up in /var/log/messages usually Aug 31 05:04:42 I had that problem myself Aug 31 05:04:56 yeah tail -f /var/log/messages Aug 31 05:05:02 Ohh Aug 31 05:05:15 About that reading thing.. Aug 31 05:05:18 Peace out guys Aug 31 05:05:21 See ya Aug 31 05:05:28 Im trying out your script kap Aug 31 05:05:34 Hope It doesnt lock up Aug 31 05:05:47 Lemme know if you need any help Aug 31 05:06:00 We can get it to work and work FOR you not against you Aug 31 05:06:15 You have gone over the deep end Aug 31 05:06:36 Abyssul I don't speak your whore jibba jabba Aug 31 05:06:48 Rephrase? Aug 31 05:07:05 Your nuts :p Aug 31 05:07:18 All I said was we can get it to work for you Aug 31 05:07:28 But fine, if I'm gonna be treated that way.. Aug 31 05:07:39 Expect a trojan horse in your next exec script Aug 31 05:07:42 :P Aug 31 05:07:45 Is it too late to say jk? :) Aug 31 05:07:51 Nah I'm jk Aug 31 05:08:13 We're cool. Try it out and let me know, I had great results with that exec line Aug 31 05:08:20 You could probably put malicuous code in the exec line Aug 31 05:08:38 Like make the Pre run at 800Mhz Aug 31 05:09:16 I just wish Palm would activate the GPU Aug 31 05:09:36 umm is something supposed to pop up when i press "attempt novacom reinstallation" in quickinstall? Aug 31 05:09:51 Yeah here's your exec line.. exec exec /opt/sbin/krunchitiedbitch -s k4p741nkrunch@pwn3dj00.net Aug 31 05:10:10 Which would of course come with matching binary Aug 31 05:10:24 Seems like it would work Aug 31 05:10:30 And forward me all your keystrokes and GPD data Aug 31 05:10:32 but theres two "exec" commands Aug 31 05:10:54 Kap, do you like cereal? Aug 31 05:10:55 ..it runs twice.. Aug 31 05:11:04 Nah fuck cereal Aug 31 05:11:09 haha jk I love it Aug 31 05:11:24 or are you named after that phone hacker Aug 31 05:11:34 aex0 you shouldn't be installing novacom through quick install Aug 31 05:11:38 John Draper ftw Aug 31 05:11:43 mmhmm Aug 31 05:11:50 oh ok Aug 31 05:11:57 how should i reinstall it then? Aug 31 05:12:04 just uninstall and reinstall the whole sdk Aug 31 05:12:08 ah Aug 31 05:12:21 You should still have the download unless you cleared it out Aug 31 05:12:26 Quicker than re-downloading Aug 31 05:12:41 I can whistle at 2600 MHz Aug 31 05:12:50 Doesn't work any more :P Aug 31 05:12:55 i still have the sdk yeah Aug 31 05:14:23 tail -f messages |cut -b 36- for slightly less suck when reading logs Aug 31 05:14:27 I'm thinking the problem is on your computer aex0, as it's pretty much impossible to mess up the syntax enough to remove all communication abilities Aug 31 05:14:50 Sorry I couldn't help you much phish Aug 31 05:15:49 WOW, awesome new themes for the OSK Aug 31 05:15:57 i see Aug 31 05:16:15 can i just delete the program files/palm folder Aug 31 05:16:27 i don't see how to uninstall cleanly Aug 31 05:18:08 Wow, way to fail at building an uninstaller palm Aug 31 05:18:13 I couldn't find one either Aug 31 05:18:43 Wait Aug 31 05:18:50 I see Palm SDK in Add/Remove Aug 31 05:19:08 If you don't, potential incomplete installation Aug 31 05:22:33 i have 2 palm sdk Aug 31 05:22:38 oh dear Aug 31 05:22:51 i suppose i'll uninstall both Aug 31 05:25:42 Leaning more towards computer being the problem Aug 31 05:26:21 yeah... Aug 31 05:26:31 and the uninstaller isn't moving... Aug 31 05:29:06 How the hell could installing sftp kill the sdk like that Aug 31 05:29:22 Did you install WinSCP already Aug 31 05:29:33 yeah Aug 31 05:30:10 And did you configure the sftp path line to /opt/libexec/sftp-server? Aug 31 05:30:26 yeah Aug 31 05:30:41 Just making sure, thought maybe you might still be able to get that to work Aug 31 05:30:51 no, i tried Aug 31 05:31:02 actually i dont know why i can't login with putty or winscp Aug 31 05:31:07 it keeps saying access denied Aug 31 05:32:28 Well that's different than not being able to access it at all Aug 31 05:32:42 yeah Aug 31 05:32:46 Do you have putty configured to automatically log you in with a user? Aug 31 05:32:53 no Aug 31 05:33:05 Does it come up with login as: Aug 31 05:33:10 http://webos.pastebin.com/m20020762 Aug 31 05:33:11 yeah Aug 31 05:33:20 why does line 23 blow up? Aug 31 05:33:25 And have you already set up an alternate user? Aug 31 05:33:27 <-- python/java/c guy Aug 31 05:33:32 yeah Aug 31 05:33:52 and both root and my user login fine by novaterm Aug 31 05:33:54 or used to anyway Aug 31 05:35:12 Does line 22 complete okay? Aug 31 05:35:19 k4p741nkrunch: yep Aug 31 05:35:23 its the ctrl thing Aug 31 05:35:41 its like it doesn't bind this properly Aug 31 05:35:56 I can Object.values it Aug 31 05:36:22 http://webos.pastebin.com/m5e20eec2 Aug 31 05:36:25 I'm not a great programmer Aug 31 05:36:26 I get that when I do Aug 31 05:36:34 but I don't see any other reference to ctxt Aug 31 05:36:58 er cntrl Aug 31 05:37:17 *cntr Aug 31 05:37:49 omg, the sdk uninstalling really messed up my laptop Aug 31 05:37:55 I was originally using cntr.controller.get Aug 31 05:38:00 it's still not shutting down after 3 minutes Aug 31 05:38:02 aex0 I think your laptop messed up the sdk Aug 31 05:38:04 but somethings mucked up with the object Aug 31 05:38:15 lol maybe that too Aug 31 05:39:47 phish what exactly happens when it 'blows up' Aug 31 05:39:55 does it give you some error? Aug 31 05:40:40 k4p741nkrunch: no errors that I can see Aug 31 05:40:49 but the callback dies at that point Aug 31 05:41:24 Well you say 22 works, and this line.. Aug 31 05:41:37 .interpolate({prop: prop, value: Object.toJSON(result)})); Aug 31 05:41:39 yes, if I use this instead of ctrl everything works fine Aug 31 05:42:14 makes me believe that in order for that to process correctly those variables have to be declared with the function Aug 31 05:42:24 but this Aug 31 05:42:25 .interpolate({context: Object.toJSON(cntr)})); Aug 31 05:42:34 I see no definition of context Aug 31 05:43:53 line 21declares cntr as an input variable, "ctxt = #{context}".interpolate({context: Object.toJSON(cntr)} takes the variable inside the string named context and subs with with a dictionary with a key named context and the string result from Object.toJSON(cntr) Aug 31 05:44:17 (the later being the key's dictionary value) Aug 31 05:45:09 okay I get it now Aug 31 05:45:26 but why is it Aug 31 05:45:36 "#{prop} = #{value}" in line 22 Aug 31 05:45:45 and ("ctxt = #{context}" in 23 Aug 31 05:45:53 no #{ Aug 31 05:46:04 http://webos.pastebin.com/m1446cff3 subbed for good measure Aug 31 05:46:26 ctxt isn't a variable its just a label I was using to help me identify the line Aug 31 05:46:49 (the logs in /var/log/messages are kinda overly verbose with superflous information) Aug 31 05:47:41 Yeah I was getting confused where ctxt came from Aug 31 05:48:58 oh it works after all Aug 31 05:49:08 I just can't use Object. on it easily Aug 31 05:49:24 just had to get rid of the line trying to print cntrl Aug 31 05:49:26 *cntr Aug 31 05:49:37 * phish3 wishes javascript wasn't so silent Aug 31 05:50:42 I just wish it was as easy to manually debug as C++ for me Aug 31 05:50:50 C++ is like how my brain works Aug 31 05:51:40 Is there some way we can make a separate theme for the OnScreenKeyboard in landscape mode? Aug 31 05:51:55 The expanded resolution just looks so uncool Aug 31 05:52:25 You might even just be able to stretch the background image then increase the padding on each letter Aug 31 05:54:38 Also someone with a treocentral login should pull the zips for the Eazy themes off and host somewhere else Aug 31 05:55:27 rwhitby should I do that or think you should keep it linked to that forum to give proper credit? Aug 31 05:57:36 I think someone should talk to AnOutsider and have his prethemer.com site work for keyboard themes, and publish them as ipkgs. Aug 31 05:58:40 Hmm, didn't know that site existed Aug 31 05:58:57 A little buggy.. Aug 31 05:59:57 Has the same themes over and over again, popular themes doesn't work, and I'm not sure anything really works :P Aug 31 06:00:31 But his page logo makes me TOTALLY want a green Pre Aug 31 06:00:38 I wonder if Colorware made one Aug 31 06:00:44 the site is still under development as far as I know Aug 31 06:04:03 Yeah I guess so :P Aug 31 06:04:12 I like the idea though Aug 31 06:04:15 YAY it works Aug 31 06:04:24 And yeah keyboard themes should go up there Aug 31 06:04:49 Temporarilly though, want me to re-host the links for the keyboards so people don't have to make fake treocentral logins Aug 31 06:05:01 nice aex0, did you uninstall and reinstall Aug 31 06:05:27 yeah, turns out one of the "palm sdk" entries is bogus or something Aug 31 06:05:30 I just contacted Colorware to see if they could make a lime green palm pre Aug 31 06:05:31 that's why uninstall hanged Aug 31 06:05:42 so i rebooted laptop and uninstalled the other one Aug 31 06:05:54 reinstalled sdk, rebooted pre, now it works Aug 31 06:05:57 whew Aug 31 06:06:20 i am never "safely" removing novacom again Aug 31 06:06:58 I'm not sure why it did that Aug 31 06:07:14 But for the record I wouldn't plug in through USB unless you have to use WebOS quick install Aug 31 06:07:17 You have wifi? Aug 31 06:08:23 yeah Aug 31 06:08:58 oh, what was it that i was supposed to install using quickinstall? Aug 31 06:09:29 PreWare Aug 31 06:09:39 srsly Aug 31 06:09:44 Make sure you install the package manager first, then go back and install Preware Aug 31 06:09:55 package manager? Aug 31 06:10:11 Just follow the wiki and you'll be golden Aug 31 06:10:22 you mean ipkg? Aug 31 06:10:24 i have that Aug 31 06:10:42 still install the preware package manager Aug 31 06:10:57 they constantly update it, and it now has a secure user consent portion Aug 31 06:14:02 oh, found the wiki page Aug 31 06:14:07 thanks Aug 31 06:14:23 I just realized that with IRC posting my external IP, Oil really COULD be on my phone Aug 31 06:18:11 ok, both installed Aug 31 06:21:38 am i supposed to do something with preware? Aug 31 06:21:42 or is it just good to have? Aug 31 06:24:18 Preware is preparing for the future on your device Aug 31 06:24:36 Patches will soon be managed by Preware. Right now it manages on screen keyboard Aug 31 06:24:45 ah ok Aug 31 06:25:11 k4p741nkrunch: with various definitions of "soon" ;-) Aug 31 06:25:41 oh, and what did you mean i should not connect my pre via usb? Aug 31 06:27:45 I meant you should ssh over wifi if you're concerned about safely removing Aug 31 06:28:15 Well I meant all patches will soon be managed by Preware, right now just 1 is Aug 31 06:28:52 yeah the ssh over wifi thing still isn't working...... Aug 31 06:29:52 k4p741nkrunch: yeah, I'm just saying that "soon" will depend on available time and focus Aug 31 06:30:14 soon to me is 6 within 6 months Aug 31 06:30:26 minus one of those 6s Aug 31 06:31:15 Oh I see what you mean Aug 31 06:31:47 Really? With the way it's been going I thought you guys almost had it Aug 31 06:36:22 lol Aug 31 06:40:10 Oil are you planning on making an "App Catalog" type feel to Preware with highlighted apps, most downloaded right on the main screen, and rating/review systems? Aug 31 06:41:25 k4p741nkrunch: why would Preware highlight an app? To Preware, all apps are equal. Aug 31 06:42:14 srsly Aug 31 06:42:50 now, factual items like download counts can be easily done without needing to get the information from the originating feeds Aug 31 06:42:51 Well highlighted as in new apps popping up on the home screen without you having to search. Because let's say a great new app comes out to manage finance. An app that would make someone who would NEVER click the finance category interested Aug 31 06:43:13 k4p741nkrunch: who determines whether a new app is great or not? Aug 31 06:43:20 they go to the list of everything Aug 31 06:43:21 Now great, just new Aug 31 06:43:25 not* Aug 31 06:43:25 and look at everything in chronological order Aug 31 06:43:33 regardless of category Aug 31 06:44:03 Yeah I just didn't know if you eventually wanted a more practical view or if you wanted to make it the homebrew clone of the app catalog Aug 31 06:44:34 we're not going to clone something that has been designed to make people bend to a marketing campaign. Aug 31 06:44:45 its a repository Aug 31 06:45:44 there is a repository of apps, with certain factual, non-biased metadata. Preware displays that metadata in various forms, and manages the installation, upgrade and removal of the apps. Aug 31 06:46:08 I totally understand Aug 31 06:47:19 manipulative information about selection of apps can get to the consumer by other means ;-) Aug 31 06:47:25 I was simply saying that people really flock to a *news* style display of information. Aug 31 06:47:48 and i already pointed out that the list of everything is exactly that Aug 31 06:48:41 now a possible future feature might be "select this view as your initial screen on startup" ... Aug 31 06:48:50 I can tell you're not a glitz kinda guy oil Aug 31 06:49:04 oh, oil produces way sexy stuff Aug 31 06:49:14 but he's not superficial ;-) Aug 31 06:49:26 i like things to be simplistic and functional Aug 31 06:49:40 lol Aug 31 06:49:55 No girlfriend, oil? :P Aug 31 06:50:01 nope Aug 31 06:50:03 lol Aug 31 06:50:09 if i did Aug 31 06:50:09 the antithesis of simplistic!! Aug 31 06:50:09 lol Aug 31 06:50:11 i would be broke Aug 31 06:50:15 and have no time for irc Aug 31 06:50:15 ahahahahha Aug 31 06:50:17 He has a Pre, who needs a girlfriend? Aug 31 06:50:37 Girlfriend 0.6.5 Beta No Rooting Required Aug 31 06:50:41 LOL' Aug 31 06:50:45 You can download Eliza Aug 31 06:50:51 That's a helluva mod Aug 31 06:50:57 She's pretty simplistic and well..not functional Aug 31 06:51:24 I have neither a Pre nor a GF, k4, so you can imagine how depressed I am at times. Aug 31 06:51:28 I prefer the functionality over simplicity ;) Aug 31 06:51:47 oh god what have we done here Aug 31 06:51:51 oil: do you have that pastebin you sent me earlier on the Sources: json fields? Aug 31 06:51:52 freakout you really like WebOS then? Aug 31 06:52:08 Eguy: you've brought #webos-watercooler over here for some reason ... Aug 31 06:52:20 I know Aug 31 06:52:20 i could simply re-pastebin it Aug 31 06:52:21 xD Aug 31 06:52:30 * Eguy closes his mouth again Aug 31 06:52:40 oil: gonna put it in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards as the initial start Aug 31 06:52:45 (my bad too, rwhitby! apologies. Aug 31 06:52:52 or i could just link to Aug 31 06:52:53 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=app/models/package.js;h=6ede69e82ea1dacd13e169aa350aa94f41620b9f;hb=9e28edf8e1e74ecc47da736cddc4a37ddfcedbc5 Aug 31 06:52:59 its the comment at the top Aug 31 06:53:05 I had a question, how exactly does Preware handle patches, does it use quilt commands? Aug 31 06:53:13 no Aug 31 06:53:21 it uses long postinstall scripts Aug 31 06:53:22 Patch utility I figured Aug 31 06:53:35 So it individually patches the necessary files Aug 31 06:53:42 yeah Aug 31 06:54:00 It uses highly illegal means to steal your credit card and SSN# and then install the file Aug 31 06:54:04 So how come the new keyboard won't install for me, but it will when I pop and delete from quilt Aug 31 06:54:19 that i dont know Aug 31 06:54:23 i just wrote the mojo app Aug 31 06:54:30 * k4p741nkrunch kicks Eguy back to the Watercooler Aug 31 06:54:35 hahaha Aug 31 06:54:37 not the keyboard package Aug 31 06:54:44 or the backend service that installs it Aug 31 06:54:52 all i do is say "oh, there is this package in the list" Aug 31 06:54:57 "service: isntall this for me" Aug 31 06:54:59 "thanks" Aug 31 06:55:06 Just figured you should know that if you're using quilt you can't use Preware to manage the patch Aug 31 06:55:42 rwhitby is that you on the backend? Aug 31 06:56:32 k4p741nkrunch: the keyboard patch has moved from quilt to Preware Aug 31 06:56:39 you can have it in both Aug 31 06:57:05 It wouldn't install through Preware for me until I popped and deleted it from quilt Aug 31 06:57:22 Just the latest one Aug 31 06:57:29 If there is anyone good at wiki stuff who wants to help out, formatting http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards nicely would make me a happy camper Aug 31 06:58:38 I don't know wiki that well Aug 31 06:59:03 I tried to lend a hand in the porting of the original WIki. Aug 31 06:59:10 I totally borked it. Aug 31 06:59:17 lol Aug 31 06:59:36 But you could definitely bullet the items, then place the definition of each item in a tabbed subsection under each bullet Aug 31 06:59:40 But hey, I'd be willing to give it another shot. any guidelines on how you want it to look? Aug 31 07:00:25 The way I described would be easier on the eye I think Aug 31 07:00:53 k4p741nkrunch: yep, that's what I'm thinking Aug 31 07:00:53 Or just space them vertically a little better Aug 31 07:01:07 rwhitby I could try and format it for you then Aug 31 07:01:08 it's a two-level definition list Aug 31 07:02:01 I want to apologize in advance if things get borked, I can always get them back to original :P Aug 31 07:02:17 lol. That's what *I* thought... Aug 31 07:02:38 Eventually I just ran away and left an apology note on the Discussion page. Aug 31 07:02:59 this is so weird... Aug 31 07:03:10 i say that every day Aug 31 07:03:15 if my pre is on wifi, putty won't connect at all Aug 31 07:03:35 but if it's on evdo, it connects but says access denied Aug 31 07:10:11 I've got a great idea, using wikitables Aug 31 07:10:41 and aex0 did you install openssh or dropbear? Aug 31 07:10:54 Must have if you can use evdo Aug 31 07:11:03 And you get the login as screen Aug 31 07:11:06 correct Aug 31 07:11:36 i did whatever the wiki said...i think it was openssh? Aug 31 07:12:46 Well you've logged in with putty before rigt Aug 31 07:13:06 What do you want me to put as the definition for Architecture Aug 31 07:13:25 with putty? no Aug 31 07:13:29 only novaterm Aug 31 07:13:37 Okay that's way different Aug 31 07:13:47 do you type root when it says login as Aug 31 07:13:56 i tried both root and my user Aug 31 07:14:01 neither works Aug 31 07:14:05 You created another user? Aug 31 07:14:14 yeah Aug 31 07:14:15 I think you messed something up while doing just that Aug 31 07:14:24 That would explain what happened earlier Aug 31 07:14:37 well, i think it might have to do with the shell? Aug 31 07:15:10 nothing else looks out of place Aug 31 07:19:02 Well firstly something HAS to be borked Aug 31 07:19:14 When you went to visudo there was already the entry in there Aug 31 07:19:18 omg it worked Aug 31 07:19:28 it really was the shell Aug 31 07:19:28 haha I'll shut my face Aug 31 07:19:36 How so? Aug 31 07:19:50 * rwhitby posts http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1858618&posted=1#post1858618 Aug 31 07:20:13 well, so the very last step on "Next steps" said the default shell for ssh is /bin/ash Aug 31 07:20:23 and to create the /etc/shells Aug 31 07:20:35 i thought that bit was required Aug 31 07:20:50 so i did all that and changed the user shell to bash Aug 31 07:20:57 i think i must've done that wrong Aug 31 07:21:02 * Eguy donates $1,000,000,000 to webos-internals Aug 31 07:21:05 but i changed it back to /bin/ash just now Aug 31 07:21:10 and winscp works! Aug 31 07:22:11 No strings, rwhitby? At all? How 'bout a commented line in the Preware script? :P Aug 31 07:22:36 no strings Aug 31 07:22:52 "With thanks to freakout, the awesomest guy who ever lived?" Aug 31 07:23:04 too much hassle to track if there are strings attached. we'd rather be developing instead. Aug 31 07:23:24 * rwhitby bbl Aug 31 07:23:39 (fair enough) Aug 31 07:24:02 freakout: its open source Aug 31 07:24:12 technically, you could check out hte code, add your comment, and commit Aug 31 07:24:19 Hahahaha Aug 31 07:24:27 THAT would go down well with the community, I bet Aug 31 07:25:00 just expect snarky comments to go after yours Aug 31 07:25:58 aex0 its absolutely not required to change your shell to bash Aug 31 07:26:07 that's optional and I don't recommend it Aug 31 07:27:09 oh i see Aug 31 07:27:13 wish i knew that, haha Aug 31 07:29:43 You have "title of the application" next to description.. Aug 31 07:29:59 Ok nvm Aug 31 07:30:06 I see full description down there Aug 31 07:33:05 and yet, it still refuses to connect over wifi Aug 31 07:33:08 jeez Aug 31 07:33:11 i give up Aug 31 07:33:53 Make sure it's not asleep Aug 31 07:34:06 And does it come up with login as over wifi Aug 31 07:34:28 no, it doesn't let me log in at all Aug 31 07:34:37 they just disconnect Aug 31 07:34:48 and my phone is on Aug 31 07:40:27 Under source for title should it be the title of the application? Aug 31 07:40:52 eh? Aug 31 07:43:27 Nvm, I'll just do it up and you can tell me what to change afterwards Aug 31 08:16:14 Folks, any tips on how to copy files to/from the VBox image for the emulator's storage? Aug 31 08:16:31 freakout: yep, scp. Aug 31 08:16:49 or use VirtualBox shared folder support Aug 31 08:18:19 Cool. So just add the folder to the vbox shared folder list, reboot? Aug 31 08:18:54 oh, hang on, that won't work. Aug 31 08:19:11 no way to install the vbox client tools on the Pre emulator. Aug 31 08:19:15 just use scp. Aug 31 08:19:23 the emulator is port 5522 on localhost Aug 31 08:20:34 I personally add a second network interface to the vbox machine as a host-only interface, and then I can ssh between all the virtual machines (I run ubuntu on a sibling virtual machine with the same network setup for eth1, and can scp from the ubuntu virtual machine to the Pre emulator) Aug 31 08:22:16 Lovely. No need for me to use a virtual Ubuntu if I'm already running it, right? Aug 31 08:24:31 (Background: I'm totally new at this. Installed Ubuntu the other day 'cause the SDK on Vista was giving me nightmares) Aug 31 08:35:44 Packaging standards wiki ready to roll Aug 31 08:36:49 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards Aug 31 08:36:58 hi Aug 31 08:37:00 purty, k4 Aug 31 08:37:17 Took me forever to nail down the nested wikitables Aug 31 08:37:23 k4p741nkrunch: actually, can you split the source stuff into a separate table? Aug 31 08:37:38 Sure, so just underneath it Aug 31 08:38:15 yep, thanks. The upper-level Source: field is a JSON string containing the contents of the lower table Aug 31 08:38:44 what are we talkin about here? :D Aug 31 08:39:36 Decimation: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards Aug 31 08:39:49 documenting the feed standards for Preware Aug 31 08:39:59 ah, okay. coolcool. Aug 31 08:40:48 lol, you know, i still havent been able to get into my emulator with winscp Aug 31 08:41:07 ive checked the wiki Aug 31 08:41:09 done all i could Aug 31 08:41:10 (they WERE talking about you beforehand, Decimation) Aug 31 08:41:12 just couldnt do it. Aug 31 08:41:21 freakout: i believe it :D Aug 31 08:43:46 ya know, someone told me to use the emulator to test modifications im doing.. i think it was destinal. i don't see how it'd be faster tbh :/ Aug 31 08:44:37 Tell me if that's better Aug 31 08:45:21 Should I put a "Source" in the upper level table Aug 31 08:46:48 And there was nothing in the definition for architecture, didn't know what you wanted to put there Aug 31 08:48:34 architecture is "all", "armv7" or "i686" Aug 31 08:48:55 yeah, put a line for source in the upper table referring to the lower table please Aug 31 08:53:28 NP Aug 31 08:55:08 What say you now good sir Aug 31 08:56:56 lol theres a new palm pre ad for bell and the guy who does them is hilarious. Aug 31 08:57:10 arrrrggggh! Aug 31 08:57:12 (sorry) Aug 31 08:57:24 I had the scoop on that damn ad. Aug 31 08:57:41 I love those ads Aug 31 08:58:10 Except the editor of Palm Infocenter dropped off the radar this weekend, and the news queue has been sadly neglected Aug 31 08:58:25 "You know, this game was first played in 1226... *I think some of these people were there..*" Aug 31 08:58:56 the roller-girl chick is scary Aug 31 08:59:22 And the seniors... oh, the seniors. "What is Wikipedia?" Aug 31 08:59:30 lol, that ad is great. Aug 31 09:01:25 episode three is funny Aug 31 09:01:49 Did you... Did you just call Italy? Aug 31 09:03:16 Okay, someone want to help me out with my SCP command? Aug 31 09:03:52 lol Aug 31 09:03:56 im gonna get fired! Aug 31 09:04:06 Whats the matter with it Aug 31 09:04:09 seriously, that guy is hilarious. Aug 31 09:04:14 Decimation why come? Aug 31 09:04:24 its from the ad... Aug 31 09:04:38 The problem with the command is me, and my utter Linux n00b status Aug 31 09:04:43 Oh, I don't remember that part Aug 31 09:04:56 I can help Aug 31 09:04:56 right after "did you... did you just call italy?" Aug 31 09:05:05 Ohh from the third one Aug 31 09:05:11 I was thinking the 4th Aug 31 09:05:15 so, I want to transfer a file to the emulator's internal storage. Aug 31 09:05:23 I don't think the third one did much to sell the Pre Aug 31 09:05:24 I'm whacking this command into ubuntu terminal: Aug 31 09:05:38 scp -P 5522 test.txt tim@BLACKPENGUIN Aug 31 09:05:56 : Aug 31 09:05:59 Which creates a copy of "test.txt" named "tim@BLACKPENGUIN" in my home folder Aug 31 09:06:14 add : Aug 31 09:06:18 you didn't specify where to putt it Aug 31 09:06:24 yup, i realised that.... Aug 31 09:06:34 ....i just don't know exactly what the emulators address is Aug 31 09:06:58 scp -P 5522 Aug 31 09:06:58 test.txt Aug 31 09:06:58 tim@BLACKPENGUIN Aug 31 09:07:00 and you don't have to put tim@blackpenguin, just the IP address to your emu Aug 31 09:07:01 : Aug 31 09:07:34 scp src user@ip: Aug 31 09:07:46 lol, ive asked this question a few times but theres different people here everytime i do... does anyone know how to winscp into the emulator Aug 31 09:07:48 so Aug 31 09:07:51 will put in user's $HOME Aug 31 09:08:09 scp test.txt user@whatever-emulator-ip-is Aug 31 09:08:12 Decimation you've come to the right place Aug 31 09:08:16 will do the trick? Aug 31 09:08:17 but you can use ip intead of host Aug 31 09:08:19 no Aug 31 09:08:34 k4p741n: please tell me you know how. Aug 31 09:08:51 That you've come to the right place? Aug 31 09:08:57 user@whatever-emulator-ip-is: Aug 31 09:09:00 freakout: that will only work if you have port 22 forwarded, cause the emulator is set up as a NAT network connection by default Aug 31 09:09:21 yeah Aug 31 09:09:37 rwhitby: how do you access your files on your emulator? Aug 31 09:09:52 You should be able to enable ICS and allow those ports to jump through NAT Aug 31 09:10:06 ics? Aug 31 09:10:16 Internet connection sharing Aug 31 09:10:44 what does that have to do with vbox? Aug 31 09:11:14 Firstly freakout you running Linux or Windows Aug 31 09:11:31 Linux. Ubuntu Jaunty. (Which is lovely, by the by.) Aug 31 09:11:40 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200011-how-connect-palm-emulator-using-winscp.html Aug 31 09:11:48 second post, the guy shows his settings Aug 31 09:11:54 Hmm lemme read that Aug 31 09:12:00 I HAVE THOSE SETTINGS Aug 31 09:13:21 Decimation: I add a second host-only network to the emulator, and then access it on 192.168.56.100 from the host or any of the other virtual machines running. Aug 31 09:13:41 ok, I think nat might be used on linux, but you still have to setup the port frawrd in vbox settings Aug 31 09:14:06 rwhitby: i believe that is beyond my skills :P Aug 31 09:14:07 I know how to bypass that but only on Windows Aug 31 09:14:49 actually, if it's nat not user it should be using pan Aug 31 09:14:56 not pan Aug 31 09:15:03 tun/tap Aug 31 09:15:15 You enable ICS on the network card you use with your router, then you go to advanced settings and forward any port to the device using the ICS< which would be your vbox network adapter Aug 31 09:15:15 ifconfig -a should tell you Aug 31 09:16:21 k4p741nkrunch: yes, but only if using a tun/tap device on windows with libpcap Aug 31 09:16:47 rwhitby: I'll try it your way first. I've gone into vbox settings, and added a Host-only Adapter to the Palm Emulator. Aug 31 09:17:02 which means the interface is assigned an ip address Aug 31 09:18:28 Can you pull a file through an scp command? Aug 31 09:18:49 Cool bananas. ifconfig -a says I have vboxnet0 right there. Aug 31 09:19:32 How do I get its IP? (if that is the next step) Aug 31 09:19:59 start the emulator, ssh in as root via localhost:5522, check ifconfig looking for eth1 Aug 31 09:21:22 lol, wow, i just checked.. i can ssh into the emulator via putty, but no winscp. Aug 31 09:22:47 Wouldn't it be a different port? Aug 31 09:24:41 Alright good luck with that guys, I'm off to bed Aug 31 09:24:48 night k4 Aug 31 09:24:56 morning Aug 31 09:24:59 :P Aug 31 09:25:14 Australia is in the future, K4. Stop living in the past Aug 31 09:25:18 :P Aug 31 09:25:42 "ssh: Could not resolve hostname localhost:5522: Name or service not known" Aug 31 09:26:08 what command? Aug 31 09:26:23 I'm almost embarrassed to post it, 'cause it's probably horribly wrong again. :P Aug 31 09:26:48 Obviously I'm missing something: ssh root@localhost:5522 Aug 31 09:27:27 * freakout apologises for turning webos-internals into a tutorial on basics. Promises to bring beer to make up for it. Aug 31 09:27:33 is localhost in /etc/hosts? Aug 31 09:29:06 rwhitby: DdAaDd is still postin stuff on precentral Aug 31 09:29:09 he posted a questions Aug 31 09:29:17 and 2 replies of his own saying please help Aug 31 09:29:22 i love this :P Aug 31 09:29:29 tmzt: Yes, yes it is. 127.0.0.1 Aug 31 09:29:52 Decimation: feel bad for the guy..... almost Aug 31 09:30:07 lol Aug 31 09:30:11 i changed localhost in winscp to Aug 31 09:30:14 127.0.0.1 Aug 31 09:30:18 and i just accessed my emulator Aug 31 09:30:19 :P Aug 31 09:30:23 that's not right Aug 31 09:30:29 freakout: your problem helped me :) Aug 31 09:30:47 Decimation: at least one of us is getting somewhere. :D Aug 31 09:30:59 :) Aug 31 09:31:05 freakout: nc localhost 5222 Aug 31 09:31:07 thanks, you just solved a problem ive had for a few weeks Aug 31 09:31:13 type OpenSSH Aug 31 09:31:15 enter Aug 31 09:31:41 bash: OpenSSH: command not found Aug 31 09:31:53 freakout: nc localhost 5222 Aug 31 09:31:59 type OpenSSH Aug 31 09:32:06 enter Aug 31 09:32:27 lol, wth... in windows 7.. if you go to drag a window and you shake it Aug 31 09:32:29 all other windows close Aug 31 09:32:43 tmzt: tim@BLACKPENGUIN:~$ nc localhost 5222 Aug 31 09:32:50 localhost [127.0.0.1] 5222 (xmpp-client) : Connection refused Aug 31 09:32:58 ? Aug 31 09:32:58 ah Aug 31 09:33:09 well Aug 31 09:33:24 ignore the xmpp-client part Aug 31 09:33:59 ahhhh Aug 31 09:34:00 hang on Aug 31 09:34:04 If i put in Aug 31 09:34:10 nc localhost 5522 Aug 31 09:34:15 that does it. Aug 31 09:34:23 netstat -tlp |grep 5222 Aug 31 09:34:25 ok Aug 31 09:34:27 good Aug 31 09:34:27 "SSH-2.0-dropbear_0.49 Aug 31 09:34:32 right Aug 31 09:34:37 now openssh? Aug 31 09:34:59 scp -P 5522 test.txt root@localhost: Aug 31 09:35:24 no, ctrl-c out of netcat Aug 31 09:35:51 ohoho... i think we're on to something now Aug 31 09:36:38 So, I'm now in the emulator. In Internalz. Aug 31 09:36:49 Where would that test.txt have shown up? Aug 31 09:39:27 http://screensnapr.com/u/k1wcxg.png Aug 31 09:39:30 i think listview looks cool Aug 31 09:40:05 It does. Needs double-columns though, to give it the proper PalmOS feel :D Aug 31 09:40:30 yeah, it'd be ideal to have it so you can scroll through on column Aug 31 09:40:36 while the other one doesnt move at all while scrolling Aug 31 09:42:19 tmzt! ack! that scp didn't transfer anything to the vbox Aug 31 09:42:48 then what are you acking? Aug 31 09:42:50 Just re-created test.txt as root@localhost Aug 31 09:43:05 in my home dir Aug 31 09:43:22 -you used : this time? Aug 31 09:43:33 erm. Aug 31 09:43:43 ... Aug 31 09:43:54 http://screensnapr.com/u/6fe1eg.png ? Aug 31 09:44:12 Decimation: now that's the shiznit Aug 31 09:44:41 ideally, you could switch between List and Icon view via the Launcher menu, like you could on POS Aug 31 09:45:00 now that'd be hard. Aug 31 09:45:20 not up for a challenge? :P Aug 31 09:45:27 never :P Aug 31 09:47:00 is that a new launcher? Aug 31 09:47:12 tmzt: depends, do you like it? :P Aug 31 09:47:14 freakout: add -v Aug 31 09:47:43 I don't know really what the default one is like Aug 31 09:47:45 tmzt: scp -P 5522 test.txt root@localhost:media Aug 31 09:47:57 would transfer to the 'media' directory, right? Aug 31 09:48:08 yeah Aug 31 09:48:12 under home Aug 31 09:48:30 if you want the /media you need / in front Aug 31 09:48:34 after : Aug 31 09:49:18 success! Aug 31 09:49:31 flippin' brilliant Aug 31 09:49:56 I'd like to thank tmzt, and rwhitby, and my family... (sniff) Aug 31 09:50:05 ....i promised myself I wouldn't cry! Aug 31 09:50:16 :P Aug 31 09:50:18 (music plays) Aug 31 09:50:22 if there was no ~/media it would create a file called ~/media Aug 31 09:50:36 * freakout is ushered off the stage as the band plays on Aug 31 09:51:14 scp is like rcp Aug 31 09:51:17 tmzt: indeed. That's what happened the first time ;) Aug 31 09:51:21 but secure Aug 31 09:51:46 yeah, it's confusing Aug 31 09:51:51 ugh, im scrapping the listview launcher Aug 31 09:51:53 i dont like it Aug 31 09:51:57 + its too buggy. Aug 31 09:52:20 Decimation: Did you make it? Aug 31 09:52:24 yeah Aug 31 09:52:48 I was actually planning something similar for my first webOS project Aug 31 09:53:02 be my guest :D Aug 31 09:53:07 feel like sharing your work thus far? Aug 31 09:54:07 meh, all i did was change a few things in launcher.css and launcher-assistant.js Aug 31 09:54:17 and some icons arent draggable.. etc. Aug 31 09:54:19 it just isnt good Aug 31 09:55:29 i think you should explore adding an icon to the quicklauncher :D Aug 31 09:57:02 quicklauncher is infuriating in the emulator Aug 31 09:57:22 why is that? Aug 31 09:57:59 You're talking about the wave thingy? Aug 31 09:58:04 hitting that bottom row of pixels Aug 31 09:58:10 just the dock at the bottom Aug 31 09:58:15 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Aug 31 09:58:21 well, that's not infuriating Aug 31 09:58:25 The wave is. Aug 31 09:58:26 add an icon to that please :D Aug 31 09:58:42 Like trying to shoot an apple off someone's head from 50km Aug 31 09:58:55 wave? Aug 31 09:59:22 The drag-up-from-gesture-area wave launcher Aug 31 09:59:49 to make it come up in the emulator you have to hit the bottom pixels *exactly* Aug 31 10:00:17 works well on yhe device? Aug 31 10:00:18 if you can add an icon to that bottom dock.. i'lll.... i'll Aug 31 10:00:23 respect you forever? lol Aug 31 10:00:32 awww. I had my hopes up for a second. :P Aug 31 10:00:43 I wouldn't count on me for too much to start with. Aug 31 10:00:58 freakout: i can get the wave to come up first try each time Aug 31 10:00:58 lol Aug 31 10:01:22 Decimation: You should go in for sniper training Aug 31 10:01:25 lowe dpi? Aug 31 10:01:48 freakout: i'll keep that in mind :P Aug 31 10:02:07 (i'm on a 1680x1050 monitor. Is that the problem?) Aug 31 10:02:36 1920x1080 here. Aug 31 10:02:56 Jesus Christ. if that doesn't just to rub salt in the wound... :P Aug 31 10:03:19 :P Aug 31 10:05:09 wow Aug 31 10:05:12 its already 6 AM Aug 31 10:05:16 boy i dont sleep. Aug 31 10:06:05 sleep is for sissies. Aug 31 10:06:12 Dinner, however, is for manly men. Aug 31 10:06:19 And thus, I must go have it. Aug 31 10:06:42 :) Aug 31 10:06:44 tmzt: thanks a bunch for your help Aug 31 10:06:50 im out for a little Aug 31 10:06:54 be back in an hour probably Aug 31 10:06:54 cya. Aug 31 10:07:02 later Aug 31 10:08:54 is it cool if ive got a question? Aug 31 10:11:11 cearly not cool dude Aug 31 11:44:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ Aug 31 12:05:06 Decimation: when you do find a YouTube video that's relevant to this channel, please add it here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Press_Room ;-) Aug 31 12:05:34 rwhitby: so that.... wasn't relevant? Aug 31 12:22:25 rwhitby: here of any video camera progress? Aug 31 12:22:39 nope Aug 31 12:22:57 rwhitby: posted 5 minutes ago on engadget Aug 31 12:22:57 http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/31/video-pre-virtual-keyboard-developing-rapidly-gets-easy-instal/ Aug 31 12:23:04 is that worthy of the press room? :D Aug 31 12:28:43 yep Aug 31 12:30:10 so PreGame is leading development in the "PreCentral" app.. that looks cool. Aug 31 12:32:34 where's that reported? Aug 31 12:37:07 got it. Aug 31 12:37:28 It will be interesting to see how PreCentral runs a development project ... Aug 31 12:41:48 rwhitby: indeed. Aug 31 12:42:33 rwhitby: I was thinking, is it possible to make webos quick install operate without the full webOS image Aug 31 12:42:45 like.. reduce that 200 megs to 30 maybe? Aug 31 12:44:55 Decimation: not without illegally redistributing Palm's jar files. Aug 31 12:45:15 (unless Palm decides to separate the bits we need from the webOS Doctor) Aug 31 12:46:06 ouch, yeah, i don't see them doing so very soon. Aug 31 12:46:32 rwhitby: http://screensnapr.com/u/r0oefj.png do you think that looks good? Aug 31 12:46:50 anyone who is running WebOS Quick Install or Preware needs to have a copy of the webOS Doctor handy anyway ;-) Aug 31 12:47:33 Decimation: looks like a Pre launcher screen to me Aug 31 12:48:02 rwhitby: :P, that it is... but oh so much more! Aug 31 13:11:29 Decimation, love the launcher redesign Aug 31 13:12:01 mrjcarter: thank you. Aug 31 13:12:24 any HowTo available? Aug 31 13:12:35 nope, its a work in progress. Aug 31 13:12:41 gotcha Aug 31 13:12:58 The engadget article this morning is pretty nice. Aug 31 13:14:13 Templarian: we're keeping a list now: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Press_Room Aug 31 13:15:20 Templarian: i already added it Aug 31 13:15:28 im on top of my engadget game :P Aug 31 13:16:27 I was doing the sleep thing or I would have posted first. Aug 31 13:18:10 There should be a SlashGear interview coming up sometime too - I did it about 10 hours ago. Aug 31 13:19:29 rwhitby: did you look at that new design up for the icon? Aug 31 13:19:49 nop Aug 31 13:19:49 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons Aug 31 13:21:14 * rwhitby bbt - night all Aug 31 13:22:01 Decimation: ^ Aug 31 13:26:54 Templarian: icons look nice Aug 31 13:33:51 Now to see if destinal likes the new one once he wakes up, since he didn't like the old one. Aug 31 14:08:01 hrm, aplay isn't playing any audio, but music and video applications do ... Aug 31 14:08:04 growl Aug 31 14:16:31 ahh, I see the problem ... aplay -L only lists the null pcm Aug 31 14:21:26 wow, I have no idea how to fix that Aug 31 15:05:05 shit Aug 31 15:05:14 I might have to run webos doctor to get my fucking pcm sound back Aug 31 15:08:23 * Templarian hopes palm doesn't use the webos doctor download as a way to measure device glitches. Aug 31 15:09:13 dunno, I'd call this a glitch Aug 31 15:09:21 where the hell did my sound go? Aug 31 15:13:29 jettero: can you hear sound during a call? Aug 31 15:13:53 yeah, and if I play videos and things... you know I think I just found the problem ... hold on Aug 31 15:14:01 Did you use headphones recently (although I believe that glitch was fixed)? Aug 31 15:14:44 There use to be a bug where if you pulled out your headphones the sound would stop working. Aug 31 15:15:03 that really might be it because it seems to work through headphones Aug 31 15:15:13 but I also noticed that little switch on the top was in the wrong popsition Aug 31 15:15:46 switching it back did not fix it... Aug 31 15:15:52 so I'm restarting various things Aug 31 15:17:01 * oil still gets headphones glitch cause he uses an audio cable in his car Aug 31 15:17:10 yeah, me too Aug 31 15:17:17 what is the problem? do we have that figured out at all? Aug 31 15:17:29 i think its hardware Aug 31 15:17:33 does rebooting it fix it? Aug 31 15:17:38 no Aug 31 15:17:44 does webos doctor? Aug 31 15:17:55 blowing in the headphone jack and plugging the cable in and removing it fixes it for me pretty much every time Aug 31 15:18:15 i find, it happens less if i turn hte screen on, then pull out the cable while its going Aug 31 15:18:27 and watch for whatever audio program to go from playing to paused Aug 31 15:18:31 thats how i know it worked Aug 31 15:20:00 * oil goes to work Aug 31 15:20:47 what does blowing in there do theoretically? Aug 31 15:21:28 get any pocket lint out Aug 31 15:21:29 srsly Aug 31 15:21:31 removes dust and what not Aug 31 15:21:44 * oil really goes to work now Aug 31 15:22:22 I'm not sure this is the same thing... I was missing a bunch of /dev files that are needed for pulseaudio and for aplay... Aug 31 15:22:40 I tried to add them back, but now I'm wondering if I totally fucked my /dev ... might webos doctor-self-inflicted Aug 31 15:22:56 just installed preware :) nice job guys Aug 31 15:23:23 Thanks PreGame Aug 31 15:23:42 the next public version (0.8.0) will be even nicer. Aug 31 15:23:49 i used it to get the keyboard installed Aug 31 15:23:54 :-) Aug 31 15:24:11 does it use ajax? Aug 31 15:24:15 That was our test case for going seriously public Aug 31 15:24:23 i noticed it got stuck on the updating screen Aug 31 15:24:25 Yes. Aug 31 15:24:29 well Aug 31 15:24:35 yes, and more. Aug 31 15:24:41 oh! Aug 31 15:24:43 I got sound back Aug 31 15:24:47 clearly the headphone thing worked Aug 31 15:24:51 thank oil Aug 31 15:24:53 yea so its not just filecoaster that has ajax issues. Aug 31 15:25:05 It uses ajax to get icons and descriptions from the feed. Aug 31 15:25:12 no Aug 31 15:25:14 not at all Aug 31 15:25:25 hopefully palm fixes it Aug 31 15:25:35 what it does is, it queries IPKG for a list of everything that is installed. Aug 31 15:25:45 Then, it queries EACH FEED for a list of what's available. Aug 31 15:25:53 and it compares version numbers. Aug 31 15:26:17 that way, you get a list of "what's updateable" and what's on each feed, and what's "everything" Aug 31 15:26:26 and also, what's installed... so that it can delete things. Aug 31 15:26:33 by talking to IPKG using a service. Aug 31 15:27:03 THEN it ajaxes in the list for the icons for each. The DESCRIPTIOSN come from the IPKG feed, through the call to IPKG for the info. Aug 31 15:29:30 When you say UPDATE, it just calls IPKG and says "Update that there package Aug 31 16:37:37 oh, the preware thread got stickied? Aug 31 16:38:00 :D Aug 31 16:39:47 so how is that irc service going? Aug 31 16:39:54 xD Aug 31 16:41:35 oil: running into troubles with a prerequisite task Aug 31 16:41:54 aww Aug 31 16:42:15 2 prereqs actually Aug 31 16:42:21 1 new hosting website Aug 31 16:42:29 2 c services Aug 31 16:42:33 i guess that will give me some time to work on previous apps i want to put in the appcatalog though Aug 31 16:42:37 *new* hosting website? Aug 31 16:43:01 oil_work: yeah i am working on a website where devs can host projects Aug 31 16:43:08 a better precentral :D Aug 31 16:43:14 with its own feed Aug 31 16:43:31 which is not preware.org? Aug 31 16:43:35 cause of all that drama Aug 31 16:43:47 yeah its not preware.org Aug 31 16:43:53 devs make their own releaes Aug 31 16:43:57 create their own ipks Aug 31 16:43:59 etc. Aug 31 16:44:16 ah Aug 31 16:46:49 whats this drama you speak of oil? :D Aug 31 16:48:24 lol Aug 31 16:48:32 Decimation: dont worry about it Aug 31 16:48:52 * oil_work gets popcorn Aug 31 16:48:55 Decimation: point is i am gonna have a site that generates its own feed for anyone who wants to host their projects on Aug 31 16:48:56 PuffTheMagic: cmonn, i sit in this IRC all night, and don't even get to hear about the drama Aug 31 17:05:55 Decimation: rwhitby had some concerns about hosting developer-built ipk's on preware (security / malware risks, GPL compliance, etc) Aug 31 17:07:16 on the preware.org host that is. Aug 31 17:12:27 ah crap Aug 31 17:12:43 my pre's starting to do that thing where it resets every time i snap the keyboard shut Aug 31 17:12:47 sigh Aug 31 17:13:11 moar paper! Aug 31 17:15:26 yeah... Aug 31 17:16:41 the first time i thought i had enough paper Aug 31 17:16:50 but had to add more when it started happening a little while later Aug 31 17:17:04 paper got compressed? Aug 31 17:17:12 or something Aug 31 17:17:20 =( Aug 31 17:17:33 i need to get a little foam pad like palm is adding to new pre Aug 31 17:17:47 i thought they fixed the issue with the new battery? Aug 31 17:18:53 http://www.precentral.net/palm-tweaking-pre-better-quality Aug 31 17:24:35 wsup guys Aug 31 17:24:52 oh i see Aug 31 17:26:49 hey rwhitby does preware also check to see how much space is left for apps Aug 31 17:26:49 ? Aug 31 17:27:03 (he's sleeping) Aug 31 17:28:02 im pretty sure ipkg wont install an app if there isn't sufficient room for it to be installed into Aug 31 17:28:37 yay no more resetting, though i suppose i should try to find a piece of foam before the paper starts a fire Aug 31 17:29:36 oil_work: do you know the max size of that folder it installs too Aug 31 17:29:42 no Aug 31 17:29:50 ok Aug 31 17:30:39 thanks bud Aug 31 17:31:27 Templarian: thanks temp Aug 31 17:37:44 is it possible to see the code used for the built-in apps like the Launcher and Photos ? Aug 31 17:37:56 has anyone tried messing with VPNC? Aug 31 17:41:06 Joman: yes Aug 31 17:41:12 cjmorton: i dont know Aug 31 17:43:22 Whats going on Aug 31 17:43:47 Anybody tried adding more space to /var Aug 31 17:45:55 atlanta: you're having app install problems? Aug 31 17:46:07 well i believe i have hit my limit Aug 31 17:46:22 then use preware Aug 31 17:46:23 xD Aug 31 17:46:31 If your installing through Preware you won't have to worry about the limit Aug 31 17:46:31 i did it was wierd Aug 31 17:46:37 Bypasses it Aug 31 17:46:38 i got a error message on install Aug 31 17:46:44 In Preware? Aug 31 17:46:46 in preware? Aug 31 17:46:47 Splmonster: well not really Aug 31 17:46:49 yea Aug 31 17:46:59 it gave me a error install dialog Aug 31 17:46:59 did you check the ipkg log? Aug 31 17:47:04 not yet Aug 31 17:47:13 after you see the error install dialog, hit ipkg log in the app menu Aug 31 17:47:20 and read that shit to someone Aug 31 17:47:46 Take a screen capture of that and post it to photobucket or any pic site and link us to it Aug 31 17:48:05 ok Aug 31 17:48:12 trying to replicate it when i get to my phone Aug 31 17:48:42 Okay just make sure after it says error, don't get out of the program install screen. Hit the preware button in the top left corner and hit ipkg logs and screen capture that Aug 31 17:49:11 what are you doing away frmo your phone? Aug 31 17:49:30 Splmonster: i know lmfao Aug 31 17:49:56 oil_work: its at my desk im on the lappy Aug 31 17:50:46 oil_work: is there a tutorial on how to see the code or a place to view it? Aug 31 17:50:53 Shit man palm need to integrate proxy support Aug 31 17:51:03 right Aug 31 17:51:04 Joman: are you familiar with linux Aug 31 17:51:04 ? Aug 31 17:51:12 Joman: i bet there is stuff on the wiki for looking at it Aug 31 17:51:14 not so much Aug 31 17:51:27 Joman: ummmm is your phone rooted Aug 31 17:51:34 nope not rooted Aug 31 17:51:35 everyones phone is rooted Aug 31 17:51:39 haha Aug 31 17:51:40 do you have command line access? Aug 31 17:51:44 xD Aug 31 17:51:44 lol Aug 31 17:51:50 smart as* Aug 31 17:51:50 lol Aug 31 17:52:10 i only say that cause its the correct term Aug 31 17:52:15 indeed Aug 31 17:52:26 just throwing something back at you Aug 31 17:52:29 nope i don't. i thought the code might be available somewhere online Aug 31 17:52:30 the term "rooted" angers me Aug 31 17:52:38 Joman: it is Aug 31 17:52:43 its in the webosdoctor image Aug 31 17:52:46 it implys there was a time where we didnt have root access to the pre. Aug 31 17:52:47 you can extract it like a zip Aug 31 17:52:49 oh damn cli access it is Aug 31 17:52:50 lol Aug 31 17:53:15 command line interface access? Aug 31 17:53:27 thats getting pretty close to "atm machine" or Aug 31 17:53:30 " Aug 31 17:53:32 pin number" Aug 31 17:53:39 damn quote button being too close to enter Aug 31 17:53:47 ok cl access Aug 31 17:53:48 lol Aug 31 17:53:52 where can i get the webos doctor image ? Aug 31 17:53:58 Joman: the internet Aug 31 17:54:14 lmfaoo oil_work is on a roll Aug 31 17:54:21 thanks Aug 31 17:54:26 :( Aug 31 17:54:42 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Aug 31 17:54:44 the link at the top Aug 31 17:55:08 thanks :) Aug 31 17:55:19 you extract that Aug 31 17:55:23 then there is another file you extract Aug 31 17:55:24 then another Aug 31 17:55:29 i dont remember them off the top of my head though Aug 31 17:55:34 and idk if those directions are on the wiki Aug 31 17:56:30 ok i'll check it out...appreciate it Aug 31 17:57:28 Joman: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Bypassing_Activation Aug 31 17:57:34 just do step 1 2 and 3 though Aug 31 17:57:36 ignore the rest Aug 31 17:57:45 once you extract the rootfs file Aug 31 17:57:52 you'll have it all Aug 31 18:01:20 I LIKE TURTLES Aug 31 18:01:52 i neither like nor dislike turtles Aug 31 18:02:15 i like when girls kiss rabbit between ears ;D Aug 31 18:02:59 what? Aug 31 18:03:03 "i like when girls kiss" Aug 31 18:03:19 :D Aug 31 18:03:27 never saw girl kissing rabbit between ears? :> Aug 31 18:03:32 "Palm Pre: Go ahead and and eat dinner, it is going to be a while" Aug 31 18:03:44 what, you rebooted? Aug 31 18:03:48 Yup Aug 31 18:04:01 oil_work: you r taking pockets out your pents and tell a girl to kiss a rabbit between ears :D Aug 31 18:04:14 going to be 2026 by the time this thing reboots Aug 31 18:04:42 ah Aug 31 18:04:47 ive never heard that expression before Aug 31 18:05:09 ditto Aug 31 18:05:58 see ya later gents Aug 31 18:06:23 It's my first day of school today....wohoo Kindergarden!!! Aug 31 18:06:30 lol Aug 31 18:06:43 See, I haven't learned to spell yet Aug 31 18:06:44 i'm starting next week Aug 31 18:07:12 * gkatsev is at work Aug 31 18:07:16 hopefully there will be some chicks in my psychology class Aug 31 18:07:18 * oil_work too Aug 31 18:07:21 gkatsev: me too :p Aug 31 18:07:33 I'm really leaving to work hahah Aug 31 18:07:43 having been through school, i have one thing to say about it: school sucks Aug 31 18:07:45 No more school for me :D Aug 31 18:07:48 though, classes start in january, then, work starts up again in july Aug 31 18:08:01 and the cycle repeats again Aug 31 18:08:03 hahaha yes oil Aug 31 18:08:09 I agree Aug 31 18:08:11 computer engineering classes start for me tonight Aug 31 18:08:11 it doesnt get you ready for the real world Aug 31 18:08:15 * gkatsev goes to Norteastern Aug 31 18:08:17 homework is a joke Aug 31 18:08:20 * Eguy nods Aug 31 18:08:31 * egaudet_work never finished northeastern Aug 31 18:08:33 The US school system is quite wrong Aug 31 18:08:36 oh northeastern Aug 31 18:08:41 i was about to go there Aug 31 18:08:44 coop Aug 31 18:08:46 but i went with boston university Aug 31 18:08:48 everything i learned in school is useless Aug 31 18:08:54 * egaudet_work got a coop and never went back lol Aug 31 18:08:56 everything i use daily or at work Aug 31 18:08:57 CCNA tonight Aug 31 18:08:59 i tought myself Aug 31 18:08:59 haha Aug 31 18:09:14 you didn't teach yourself spelling huh? Aug 31 18:09:21 no Aug 31 18:09:23 lol Aug 31 18:09:27 which is why im a horrible speller Aug 31 18:09:36 which is why there is spell check Aug 31 18:09:37 wrely Aug 31 18:09:40 ? Aug 31 18:09:47 hehe Aug 31 18:09:59 Ok, see you guys Aug 31 18:10:12 this java web based irc client doesn't have spell checking though Aug 31 18:10:13 BU was sending out hilarious rejection letters our year. basically "you didnt meet our requirements for acceptence, but if you try hard, really, really, hard during your first year wherever you go, we just might accept you as a transfer" Aug 31 18:10:15 have fun with the hacking and answering Aunt MInnie questions Aug 31 18:10:35 * oil_work tells aunt minnie to go make more cookies Aug 31 18:10:42 gkatsev: hehehe Aug 31 18:10:58 except, it was about a page long Aug 31 18:11:35 though, i think it was actually hand signed Aug 31 18:11:49 there was a really funny mit acceptance letter and reply floating around the internets Aug 31 18:12:13 * gkatsev didnt bother applying to MIT Aug 31 18:14:41 well Aug 31 18:14:43 i tried to find it Aug 31 18:15:01 but my googlefu is feelin rusty this morning Aug 31 18:16:45 oh Aug 31 18:16:49 history search ftw Aug 31 18:16:50 http://www.c4vct.com/kym/humor/mitlettr.htm Aug 31 18:19:42 It is not the case that everything I learned at school was useless. Perhaps that is because I was a physics and chemistry education major rather than a CS major. Aug 31 18:19:49 hey all Aug 31 18:19:57 But the CS homework that I did was certainly a joke. Aug 31 18:20:07 anyone know if you can get the RSSI from the pre's modem Aug 31 18:20:09 phidrumdmb welcome Aug 31 18:20:09 Rick_work, did skool teach ya how to learn? Aug 31 18:20:17 I did a serial port connection to ttyACM1 Aug 31 18:20:21 yep Aug 31 18:20:22 and was able to AT+CSQ Aug 31 18:20:27 $$$ well spent then :) Aug 31 18:20:35 but I am looking to get just the RSSI for EVDO Aug 31 18:20:40 it did. or more importantly, it taught me how to research answeers. Aug 31 18:20:43 HDR connection Aug 31 18:20:45 and for that I am greatful. Aug 31 18:20:53 on some cards you do something like AT^HDRCSQLVL Aug 31 18:21:13 I was wondering if there is something hidden in com.palm.telephony Aug 31 18:21:44 is there any place that has the full documentation of com.palm.telephony Aug 31 18:23:55 maybe? Aug 31 18:23:58 probably not? Aug 31 18:24:16 none that I know of. Aug 31 18:24:39 but if you feel like making some, you can always put it in the wiki Aug 31 18:24:40 ;) Aug 31 18:24:44 did you check the RESEARCH REPORTS on the wiki? Aug 31 18:24:58 I would not mind doing that Aug 31 18:25:00 aand whatever you dig out, would you consider WRITING a research report on the wiki? Aug 31 18:25:17 but I need to figure out how to enumerate dbus Aug 31 18:25:19 first Aug 31 18:25:33 the dbus introspection script on the wiki does not do anything Aug 31 18:25:40 of course Aug 31 18:25:44 :) Aug 31 18:26:00 I am a grad student, writing things for the public consumption is my life Aug 31 18:26:30 lol Aug 31 18:26:53 does anyone know where to start on enumerating dbus Aug 31 18:28:19 * oil_work doesnt Aug 31 18:32:01 ok Aug 31 18:32:20 dbus-util --list Aug 31 18:32:36 or do you want to find out what all of the actual methods are? Aug 31 18:34:51 yeah Aug 31 18:35:10 like com.palm.telephony.SignalStrength Aug 31 18:35:10 :) Aug 31 18:35:12 would be nice Aug 31 18:35:16 heh Aug 31 18:35:39 it seems like people know a decent amount about a few of the methods Aug 31 18:35:45 do you know where they learned these things? Aug 31 18:36:07 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Introspecting_Dbus would theoretically be the way to do it, I think they might not all work for introspection though Aug 31 18:36:10 hmm.. i learned two ways (and I don't know much) Aug 31 18:36:27 but i read the javascript framework code for the javascript applications Aug 31 18:36:34 and i guessed common words Aug 31 18:36:37 i see Aug 31 18:36:56 e.g. I found how to close an application by trying close terminate kill against the applicationmanager with blank parameters Aug 31 18:36:56 so something like doing strings on the binary code Aug 31 18:36:59 one way is to use dbus-util --list to look at the list of services, find out which ones are java, and use jd-gui to decompile them Aug 31 18:37:00 yeah Aug 31 18:37:28 destinal: that would be my next suggestion for Java system services Aug 31 18:37:29 obviously the ones that are written in unmanaged code like c will be a little trickier to reverse Aug 31 18:37:38 ok Aug 31 18:37:39 I see Aug 31 18:37:52 yeah, I wonder what service does the signal strength indicator Aug 31 18:39:08 phidrumdmb: your best bet there is to look at the javascript code that reads it and displays it Aug 31 18:39:16 yeah Aug 31 18:39:22 ok Aug 31 18:39:25 that sounds good Aug 31 18:39:38 is there a tutorial about where the javascript is located Aug 31 18:39:48 so I can start grepping for the strings Aug 31 18:40:01 And the place to look for that is the patch that changes the carrier name Aug 31 18:40:05 so the thing is, you could just grep for com.palm.telephony, right? Aug 31 18:40:07 since all the code for that bar is together. Aug 31 18:40:13 ok Aug 31 18:41:29 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Change_Carrier_String Aug 31 18:41:56 it's bar-assistant Aug 31 18:42:03 .js Aug 31 18:42:03 huh Aug 31 18:42:11 this does not appear to be like reverse engineering Aug 31 18:42:17 it is just reading their code :) Aug 31 18:42:29 the code that displays the top bar of the phone is bar-assistant.js Aug 31 18:42:37 is it supposed to be this open Aug 31 18:42:49 yes it is SUPPOSED to be this open Aug 31 18:42:50 as in, we are not decompiling code here, just reading javascript Aug 31 18:42:50 well don't go pasting that code anywhere Aug 31 18:42:58 right Aug 31 18:42:59 good point Aug 31 18:43:17 if you read the terms of use Aug 31 18:43:34 it basically says "talk about whatever you want, just don't distribute our stuff" Aug 31 18:43:40 wow Aug 31 18:43:42 that is quite nice Aug 31 18:44:00 i would think, they would make an open API for all of these things Aug 31 18:44:13 phidrumdmb: they are kinda running slow on that Aug 31 18:44:23 if they made a nice dbus interface to get lots of information across applications Aug 31 18:44:37 I see Aug 31 18:45:04 looks like there is a signal event Aug 31 18:45:06 "signal" Aug 31 18:45:16 ahhh Aug 31 18:45:16 got it Aug 31 18:45:27 com.palm.telephony.signalStrengthQuery Aug 31 18:46:08 fantastic Aug 31 18:46:38 huh, I guess more hacking of this will require me to bone up on js Aug 31 18:46:47 it is quite nice how open this phone is Aug 31 18:47:08 I think the research world will really hop on to the pre Aug 31 18:47:17 we have been looking for an open smart phone Aug 31 18:47:24 that is not the gPhone Aug 31 18:47:50 it's funny, it's more defacto open then the android Aug 31 18:47:57 indeed it is Aug 31 18:47:58 even though in theory you can do more with the android Aug 31 18:48:07 why is that? Aug 31 18:48:08 I'd like to take everyone who crows about the gPhone running linux and force them to look at the pre Aug 31 18:48:18 now *that* is linux Aug 31 18:48:19 DraX: how so Aug 31 18:48:30 most of the telephony services for android are open source Aug 31 18:48:40 and stuff like that Aug 31 18:49:12 i've been trying to decide which i want Aug 31 18:49:13 I see Aug 31 18:49:26 and i like the fact that i can _actually_ modify stuff on the pre Aug 31 18:49:45 instead of it being a possibility that is too complicated to actually execute on android Aug 31 18:50:07 Is the android stuff open source as in, they dumped a tarball somewhere, or do they accept patches? Aug 31 18:50:15 there are public git repos Aug 31 18:50:21 but they still develop internally Aug 31 18:50:26 and then dump to the git branches periodically Aug 31 18:50:36 Not that Palm accepts patches on Mojo, but most of their stuff is built on fairly standard OSS packages Aug 31 18:50:37 I see Aug 31 18:50:44 sudo luna-send palm://com.palm.telephony/signalStrengthQuery {} Aug 31 18:50:47 returns nothing Aug 31 18:50:48 hmmm Aug 31 18:50:54 Yeah, that's kind of pretend open source, imo. but I'm picky Aug 31 18:51:30 oh Aug 31 18:51:32 hmmmmmmmm Aug 31 18:51:37 lmorchard: i agree Aug 31 18:51:40 ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":true,"errorCode":0,"extended":{"value":4}} Aug 31 18:51:53 lmorchard: i'm more impressed with pre at this point Aug 31 18:51:54 I assume the 4 is what I am looking for Aug 31 18:52:06 i kind of wish that webos would be available for non-palm phones though Aug 31 18:52:23 #PalmPre app tip: Both WebOSInstall and Preware installers will install up to actual RAM avail for apps, not just arbitrary # limit Aug 31 18:52:28 phidrumdmb yes the 4 is what you're looking for. Aug 31 18:52:34 i didnt know that those apps install in RAM Aug 31 18:52:34 oh yay Aug 31 18:52:35 hmm Aug 31 18:52:41 the 'ol bar indicator Aug 31 18:52:42 You guys got Palm Pre ? Aug 31 18:52:44 ok where do I write this up? Aug 31 18:52:57 This thing is sweet .. Aug 31 18:53:01 If you read the JS you will see that the payload.extended.value is what it's looking for Aug 31 18:53:01 phidrumdmb: what are you trying to write up Aug 31 18:53:01 ? Aug 31 18:53:04 this real reviewer= fail Aug 31 18:53:15 yeah I see that Aug 31 18:53:22 in the signalstrengthquery handler Aug 31 18:53:30 I had the optware on it.. .. can ssh into it.. it's neat.. Aug 31 18:53:33 phidrumdmb www.webos-internals.org Aug 31 18:53:40 I with webOS itself were open source though.. Aug 31 18:53:42 you will see a research reports link on the front page Aug 31 18:53:47 brb Aug 31 18:53:55 and then you can edit that, and make a new link to a new wiki page. Aug 31 18:54:05 awesome Aug 31 18:54:17 thanks guys Aug 31 18:54:22 10 bucks Aug 31 19:17:39 i have been messing with my pre and now get a bunch of "out of space" issues when i try to push apps to it Aug 31 19:17:42 any idea? Aug 31 19:18:07 when I say "messing", I mean that I mounted / rw and copied files /media/internal Aug 31 19:18:17 i also installed some, but not many, optware packages Aug 31 19:18:23 this is an actual Pre device Aug 31 19:18:38 i had the same issue after installing some optware packages Aug 31 19:18:48 ended up removing some of them and then it worked again Aug 31 19:18:52 okay Aug 31 19:22:58 do a df -k Aug 31 19:23:07 and I am guessing either / or /var is about out of space Aug 31 19:25:46 okay Aug 31 19:25:52 it still had a fair amount left Aug 31 19:26:03 but i removed a bunch of stuff and now i am good Aug 31 19:26:04 thank you Aug 31 19:33:58 no problem Aug 31 20:03:58 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2525921/Teen-pregnant-after-swimming-in-pool.html lol Aug 31 20:05:25 hahahaahaha Aug 31 20:07:24 crazy poles Aug 31 20:07:24 ;] Aug 31 20:07:32 oh wait i;m a pole Aug 31 20:08:23 hm, bit bigger now Aug 31 20:10:21 i just have to laugh at that en0x. when i was in school (baptist private) boys and girls were not allowed to be in the pool at the same time. now i guess they finally have proof as to why! Aug 31 20:12:03 lol Aug 31 20:14:08 well let's rephrase that, baptists in general are not allowed to do anything as long as another baptist is around ;) Aug 31 20:14:24 There's a long standing joke "How do you get a baptist to not drink your beer when you're out fishing?" Aug 31 20:14:25 thats' right. it could lead to dancing. Aug 31 20:14:30 "Bring another baptist along." Aug 31 20:15:35 hehehe Aug 31 20:20:01 god love irssi. Aug 31 20:20:59 m Aug 31 20:21:02 whoops Aug 31 20:23:43 so what exactly is IVA 2? Aug 31 20:33:31 howdy folks Aug 31 20:33:46 hello Aug 31 20:34:57 so i installed the keyboard pkg on my pre Aug 31 20:35:03 how do i call up the keyboard now Aug 31 20:35:03 lol Aug 31 20:35:14 isnt it a double-tap on the gesture area? Aug 31 20:35:19 * oil_work doesnt really know Aug 31 20:35:39 hmmm Aug 31 20:35:41 yes Aug 31 20:35:43 not workin for me Aug 31 20:35:43 double-tap Aug 31 20:35:53 maybe i didn't install it correctly Aug 31 20:36:02 how did you install it? Aug 31 20:36:14 ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard Aug 31 20:36:38 that will not run the postinst which actually does the real work Aug 31 20:36:54 so what should i have done Aug 31 20:36:56 you can manually run the postinst, or use preware or WOQI Aug 31 20:37:27 hmmm Aug 31 20:37:29 Preware will alert you that a postinst script must be run, allow you to view it, cancel or ok it Aug 31 20:37:45 im not sure how to do either of those lol, is there a walk-through? Aug 31 20:37:56 Do you have Preware? Aug 31 20:38:01 i believe so Aug 31 20:38:17 Bring it up, and the keyboard is under "available patches" I believe Aug 31 20:38:25 just install it through Preware Aug 31 20:38:47 not gunna lie, i dont think ive installed preware... i normally do patches through quilt Aug 31 20:38:54 is quilt = preware? Aug 31 20:39:23 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/On_Screen_Keyboard Aug 31 20:39:25 quilt is NOT preware Aug 31 20:39:35 gotcha.. so i was WAY off :) Aug 31 20:40:06 Preware is an installer on the Pre that works with all feeds and advanced packages like patches Aug 31 20:40:39 the quilt method will not be supported going further for the keyboard Aug 31 20:40:42 ahhh Aug 31 20:41:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Aug 31 20:41:47 i just did it through cmd line just now Aug 31 20:41:53 imma have to look into this preware gig Aug 31 20:42:02 Also the quilt and ipkg methods for the keyboard are incompatible, you can not uninstall one via the other Aug 31 20:42:22 However the command you ran ipkg -o /var install is the underlying command that Preware will eventually use through the ipkgservice Aug 31 20:42:41 If you are comfortable with the command line, your next step is to run the postinst Aug 31 20:43:03 well hes comfrotable to run the ipkg install Aug 31 20:43:08 the postinst is just one more command Aug 31 20:43:09 This WILL be compatible with preware, and Preware should see this as installed when/if you install it. WebOS quick install will also see it as installed Aug 31 20:43:25 * egaudet_work am looking for the exact postinst path Aug 31 20:43:38 me am? did i type that, lol Aug 31 20:44:51 sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.postinst Aug 31 20:44:57 tlz ^^ Aug 31 20:45:25 k Aug 31 20:45:27 let me try it Aug 31 20:46:01 that command should finish the vkb install for you, and you can keep up to date with preware, webos quick install, or command line if you prefer Aug 31 20:46:38 error: mismatch md5sums Aug 31 20:47:00 Have you applied the keyboard patch via quilt in the past? Aug 31 20:47:34 The keyboard ipkg will only install on top of pristine webos 1.1.0 framework files that it modifies Aug 31 20:47:43 Hi all... Aug 31 20:47:43 yeah i did the patch via quilt in the past Aug 31 20:48:10 but i did quilt delete for the old kb patch Aug 31 20:48:13 tlz, run quilt pop -f add-onscreen-keyboard.patch Aug 31 20:48:23 oh you already removed it Aug 31 20:48:24 When I'm instaliing an application from the Preware? where is it saved inside the Root folder? Aug 31 20:48:39 when i run that cmd, it says patch not applied Aug 31 20:48:55 The md5sum error means that either the framework or css file is not pristine webos1.1.0 Aug 31 20:49:18 you can get these back to pristine with the webos doctor image Aug 31 20:49:37 so i need to redo my phone? Aug 31 20:50:05 Also, is it possible to run the Virtual keyboard on the Emulator? Aug 31 20:50:31 tlz, no Aug 31 20:50:44 tlz, you can get the files out of the doctor image and copy them onto the phone Aug 31 20:50:45 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/200905-howto-launch-virtual-keyboard-emulator.html Aug 31 20:51:11 hmmm, will i need to re-apply patches or anything? Aug 31 20:51:28 Thanks oil.. Aug 31 20:51:31 thanks oil_work, responded (double-press pageup) Aug 31 20:52:02 tlz, no other patch that I know of touch the 2 files in question aside from virtual keyboard Aug 31 20:52:02 When I'm instaliing an application from the Preware? where is it saved inside the Root folder? Aug 31 20:52:03 so probably not Aug 31 20:52:15 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200220-how-restore-individual-pre-stock-file.html Aug 31 20:52:18 The 2 files in question are Aug 31 20:52:37 "/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js" Aug 31 20:52:52 "/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/global.css" Aug 31 20:53:31 Someone knows? Aug 31 20:53:38 ok, well i can load those files onto /media/internal, and just cp them into that directory... Aug 31 20:53:41 correct? Aug 31 20:54:15 yes Aug 31 20:54:27 sweet Aug 31 20:54:34 im downloading the image now Aug 31 20:54:45 once i replace those, i should be able to run that sh command again Aug 31 20:54:46 and be good Aug 31 20:54:48 egaudet_work: Can u help me? Aug 31 20:54:51 When I'm instaliing an application from the Preware? where is it saved inside the Root folder? Aug 31 20:54:51 yep tlz Aug 31 20:55:04 Jason969, /var/usr/palm/applications/ Aug 31 20:55:37 sounds like i need to install preware ;) Aug 31 20:55:39 any idea why preware is stuck on the "circling / loading" screen? Aug 31 20:55:43 Same place applications you get from the app catalog I believe go Aug 31 20:55:47 How can I install SSH on my Pre? Just installed the terminal app (via preware) but it doesn't appear that the phone has SSH installed. Tried 'ipkg install openssh' (as a guess), but no luck. Aug 31 20:55:58 tlz, I would definitely recommend it :) Aug 31 20:56:10 it's only got in it one file type of patch Aug 31 20:56:31 is this the files of the applications? Aug 31 20:56:40 "/var/usr/palm/applications/patch" ? Aug 31 20:56:52 Oh.. Aug 31 20:56:54 find it Aug 31 20:56:56 Sorry Aug 31 20:58:46 derek_, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Aug 31 20:58:48 Actually, looks like there is an openssh package, but when I try to install, it says I need to run 'ipkg update', which I run, but nothing happens. Aug 31 21:03:18 alright, I'm heading home, bbl Aug 31 21:05:26 spotter_: did you try just closing it and re-opening it? Aug 31 21:05:48 yes Aug 31 21:06:07 a couple of times Aug 31 21:06:25 hmm Aug 31 21:06:27 now it worked Aug 31 21:06:28 you have a network connection? Aug 31 21:06:49 yeah, im not sure why people are having troubles in the updating/loading startup Aug 31 21:06:54 the next release will have better error logging Aug 31 21:07:01 that was what I was going to reccomend :) Aug 31 21:07:02 so we can tell if its a bug, or if its just slow Aug 31 21:07:46 if its slow, ill probably just add some sort of timeout Aug 31 21:07:57 that if it doesn't finish updating in a minute or something to just move on to loading Aug 31 21:09:13 oil_work, so in the next release we'll have app descriptions? Aug 31 21:09:15 but for now, the solution is to restart Aug 31 21:09:25 any chance changelogs will be included for updates? Aug 31 21:09:26 yeah, and screenshots Aug 31 21:09:43 if they put a changelog in their description, yeah Aug 31 21:09:50 can't you encourage that? Aug 31 21:09:53 hmm Aug 31 21:10:00 I was thinking seperate from description Aug 31 21:10:16 right now there isnt any plans for a seperate changelog Aug 31 21:10:19 i.e. they can include a file in a specific format that is changelog Aug 31 21:10:40 and it would have to be standardized through all the feed providers Aug 31 21:10:46 and on upgrade preware can download it, and highlight the changes that we are upgrading Aug 31 21:10:49 right now, the main feed, precentral, has no changelog support Aug 31 21:10:49 agreed Aug 31 21:11:03 I just think it be something nice to add Aug 31 21:11:13 let us know what we are actually doing for an upgrade, no need to hack around it Aug 31 21:11:21 could just be a url to a changelog Aug 31 21:11:40 i.e. if the feed is xml just a url field Aug 31 21:11:59 and at minimum preware can just spawn it in a browser, ala the link button Aug 31 21:12:11 egaudet_work: Looks like that link is just for installing an SSH server? I'm wanting an SSH client for my pre. Aug 31 21:12:48 oil: anyways, just food for thought, back to work for me Aug 31 21:12:55 damnit Aug 31 21:13:00 stupid keyboard wont work! :( Aug 31 21:13:14 * oil_work is at work xD Aug 31 21:13:22 boss is on vacation Aug 31 21:13:23 haha Aug 31 21:13:35 btw, does dkgv work for anyone? Aug 31 21:13:51 ala it does for me is pop up an image "splash screen" and sticks there Aug 31 21:15:23 * oil_work doesnt know what dkgv is Aug 31 21:15:29 dk google voice app Aug 31 21:15:33 ah Aug 31 21:15:37 yeah, i dont have google voice Aug 31 21:15:57 does it work for anyone? Aug 31 21:16:02 only gdial pro works for me Aug 31 21:17:19 anyone good with this keyboard thing Aug 31 21:17:42 keyboard works perfectly Why? Aug 31 21:17:55 i cant get it to work Aug 31 21:18:01 uh Aug 31 21:18:05 ok Aug 31 21:18:10 How did you try to install it? Aug 31 21:18:14 cmd line Aug 31 21:18:17 ouch Aug 31 21:18:28 using ipkg -o ? Aug 31 21:18:33 yeah Aug 31 21:18:34 preware++ Aug 31 21:18:44 imma try and put preware on here Aug 31 21:18:45 and then you ran the postinst script? Aug 31 21:19:18 tlz, did you run the postinst script? Aug 31 21:19:45 tlz putting preware on at this point is unlikely to work. Aug 31 21:20:54 hmmm Aug 31 21:21:00 im getting somewhat frustrated with my pre Aug 31 21:21:22 tlz did you run the postinst script after running the ipkg install? Aug 31 21:21:58 yes Aug 31 21:22:06 and did it in fact run without errors? Aug 31 21:22:18 no, i needed to replace to files from the webos image Aug 31 21:22:32 then when i did that, i ran it again, and it asked me if i wanted to create these files Aug 31 21:22:36 specifically, did you replace the framework.js ? Aug 31 21:22:38 i said yes to all of them, and it did a restart Aug 31 21:22:40 yes Aug 31 21:22:42 and global.css Aug 31 21:22:47 ok Aug 31 21:23:18 to check and see if the script ran to completion, do you now have a virtual-keyboard directory in /media/internal? Aug 31 21:23:50 yeah Aug 31 21:24:01 ok Aug 31 21:24:06 so, now bring up memos Aug 31 21:24:11 and open a memo Aug 31 21:24:24 k Aug 31 21:25:18 so, you have a flashing cursor on the memo, you have a memo open. Put a finger on each side of the silverball, and drag to the bottom of the pre. Aug 31 21:25:38 nop :( Aug 31 21:26:05 and a verY very FAST DOUBLE TAP DOES NOTHING ALSO? Aug 31 21:26:08 sorry capslock Aug 31 21:26:34 no go Aug 31 21:26:40 ok Aug 31 21:27:04 since you're used to commandline, can we go check and see if the patch actually got into framework? Aug 31 21:27:40 yeah its in there, i just checked Aug 31 21:27:45 the file in question is /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js Aug 31 21:28:03 can you open that, and go to line 674 Aug 31 21:28:36 k Aug 31 21:28:37 im there Aug 31 21:28:54 the fourth line down (677) shuld say VirtualKeyboard:null Aug 31 21:28:56 does it? Aug 31 21:29:15 yeah Aug 31 21:29:20 hmmmm Aug 31 21:29:23 ok Aug 31 21:29:51 should i try and reboot it Aug 31 21:29:57 wait one Aug 31 21:30:06 jump down to line 34320 Aug 31 21:30:12 (yes, 34 thousand 320 Aug 31 21:30:30 k Aug 31 21:30:53 you should see, a few lines down /* oskb */ and a class create.... Aug 31 21:31:28 hmmm Aug 31 21:31:30 i dont see that Aug 31 21:31:44 wait Aug 31 21:31:46 yes i do Aug 31 21:31:47 ;) Aug 31 21:31:51 it was down a little farther Aug 31 21:32:11 fair enough. That was the UNPATCHED line count... all the patches pushed it down. Aug 31 21:32:20 ok, close that file. Aug 31 21:32:29 k Aug 31 21:32:37 do you have a file /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/resources/en_us/kbchars_fulltable.json Aug 31 21:33:21 yeah Aug 31 21:33:22 any takers willing to help me get vpnc working on my pre? im pretty sure im 90% of the way there. I can authenticate but it looks like the packets arent getting routed anywhere or something. Aug 31 21:34:02 tlz there should be five or six kb*.json files in that folder. Aug 31 21:34:30 well, all that looks good. Aug 31 21:34:34 that'sall thechanges. Aug 31 21:34:47 so.... Yes, please a hard reboot all the way from power down. Aug 31 21:35:07 k Aug 31 21:35:09 doing that now Aug 31 21:35:14 Note that there are some experiances that after coming back up, you may need to pop your pre into and out of airplane mode in order to get the radios to reconnect. Aug 31 21:35:25 But once you hve done that go into a memo and try the double tap. Aug 31 21:35:35 But it's a VERY VERY fast doubtle tap. Aug 31 21:35:51 heh, ok, gimma a sec Aug 31 21:36:09 or a minute and a half Aug 31 21:36:50 heh Aug 31 21:36:51 touche Aug 31 21:38:42 rick Aug 31 21:38:46 i love you. Aug 31 21:38:51 everyone does Aug 31 21:38:57 I' a teddy bear Aug 31 21:39:04 if i wasnt straight... Aug 31 21:39:10 i'd ask you out to a nice seafood dinner Aug 31 21:39:14 lol Aug 31 21:39:24 so here's the next question rick Aug 31 21:39:29 what's straight got to do with gratitude food?????? Aug 31 21:39:35 nothing Aug 31 21:39:45 i install preware via ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.preware Aug 31 21:39:46 I take gratitude food regardless of gender or sexual orientation. Aug 31 21:39:52 ok Aug 31 21:39:56 and when i try and run it Aug 31 21:40:04 but you need to install the service first. Aug 31 21:40:04 it says the ipkg service isnt running Aug 31 21:40:08 duh Aug 31 21:40:12 'cause it isn't. Aug 31 21:40:14 lol Aug 31 21:40:35 and you need to run the postinst for the service Aug 31 21:40:56 the wiki has the directions Aug 31 21:40:56 so i installed the service Aug 31 21:41:03 you need to install org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Aug 31 21:41:08 and do what oil just said Aug 31 21:41:10 ahh, i need to do the postinst Aug 31 21:41:26 because services (and plugins) require postinsts. Aug 31 21:41:34 how do I remove a homebrew application that's not listed in ipkg list? Aug 31 21:41:48 which is why installing these thingswith quickinstall or preware is so much better Aug 31 21:41:56 beceause if there is apostinst they run it. Aug 31 21:41:57 ipkg -o /var list ? Aug 31 21:42:00 or offer to Aug 31 21:42:05 thanks, I'll try that rwhitby Aug 31 21:42:23 christefano you can also rm -r the folder the app is in. Aug 31 21:42:32 christefano1: where did it say on the wiki to use ipkg without the -o /var ? Aug 31 21:42:53 rwhitby: it doesn't as far as I know Aug 31 21:43:05 ok Aug 31 21:43:24 rwhitby: I'm trying to upgrade dkGoogleVoice with Preware but I have to get rid of the 0.1.0 version I installed ages ago Aug 31 21:43:27 gotcha Aug 31 21:43:49 Rick_work: I'll give that a try Aug 31 21:44:07 or you could just orange+tap it :/ Aug 31 21:44:12 but, thats probably too easy Aug 31 21:44:34 rwhitby: no reply on multiple screenshots yet? Aug 31 21:44:39 or atleast, i didn't see one Aug 31 21:44:42 oil_work: yup, that would be nice. unfortunately, this version didn't install itself as a good citizen Aug 31 21:44:55 oil_work: option-tap just brings up the "about" dialog Aug 31 21:45:25 oil_work: no reply Aug 31 21:45:37 ;( Aug 31 21:45:53 christefano1: how did you install it? Aug 31 21:46:28 rwhitby: I wish I remembered. I know it was done manually with instructions from the precentral.net forum Aug 31 21:46:29 ok rick Aug 31 21:46:34 when you come to portland Aug 31 21:46:39 im buying you a seafood dinner Aug 31 21:46:57 christefano1: once you know how it was installed, we can uninstall it. Aug 31 21:46:59 rwhitby: it was either ipkg or ipkg-opt (probably the latter) Aug 31 21:47:07 is the Bell Pre cdma or gsm? Aug 31 21:47:13 christefano1: use the same to remove it them Aug 31 21:47:16 tmzt: cdma Aug 31 21:47:37 rwhitby: no go. ipkg and ipkg-opt just exit without removing the application Aug 31 21:48:08 yeah, it's not in opt. where should I look for it? Aug 31 21:48:12 christefano: just rm the app directory and reboot then Aug 31 21:48:38 if none of ipkg, ipkg -o /var and ipkg-opt list it, then it's not in any package manager database Aug 31 21:48:52 My phone doesn't like the touchstone when Im overclocking and/or CPU scaling... Aug 31 21:49:17 cpu scaling picks up chicks? Aug 31 21:49:23 rwhitby: right. okay, I found it in /var/usr/palm/applications/ Aug 31 21:51:58 Can someone help me get the hardware specifications of the pre organized in a manner i can grasp? Aug 31 21:52:29 it has a screen Aug 31 21:52:32 it has a keyboard Aug 31 21:52:35 it has a camera Aug 31 21:52:49 http://www.phonewreck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/prebd13.jpg Aug 31 21:53:15 ... Aug 31 21:53:17 (BTW, I think one of the rams should be connected to the MSM) Aug 31 21:53:25 The Cortex-A8 is the.. cpu, right? Aug 31 21:53:49 there at least 3 or 4 CPUs in the Pre Aug 31 21:54:00 (well, some CPUs and some DSPs) Aug 31 21:54:20 ok so the OMAP3430 is a...? Aug 31 21:54:37 ~google omap3430 Aug 31 21:54:41 I guess I'm having problem bridging the software and hardware interaction.. i'm totally not an embedded guy :/ but i like learning things. Aug 31 21:54:50 I totally read TI's whole site about the 3430.. and the wiki Aug 31 21:55:22 * zsoc is clearly just not intelligent Aug 31 21:55:27 omap handles the user insterface, msm handles the radio Aug 31 21:55:43 Got it. Aug 31 21:55:53 So the ARM cpu is _on_ the OMAP right? Aug 31 21:56:03 yes Aug 31 21:56:09 _in_ actually ;-) Aug 31 21:56:23 and you have to compile code using the ARM(9?) architecture because of the was the cpu handles information? Aug 31 21:56:31 same reason you need 64 bit version for 64 bit os's? Aug 31 21:56:49 er.. /s/was/way Aug 31 21:57:35 different CPU architectures have different instructions sets and binary encodings of instructions. Aug 31 21:58:17 zsoc: it's cortex, arm9 (armv5) will work though Aug 31 21:58:21 what are you asking? Aug 31 21:58:47 yeah it's inside the omap3430 SoC Aug 31 21:59:13 Ok. Got that much so far. It's becoming clear :PO Aug 31 21:59:35 So TI seems to offer a lot of tools / software on their website that's built for this sort of architecture... would that not be a good starting place for some reason? Aug 31 21:59:37 rwhitby: i really wish we knew why there was only 1 screenshot Aug 31 22:00:05 zsoc: not really, codesourcery.com will probably be better, unless you need code studio for dsp stuff Aug 31 22:00:12 and you probably won't Aug 31 22:00:21 oil_work: if someone uploads multiple screenshot images for Preware, we can make it have multiple screenshots in the feed Aug 31 22:00:32 right, but all the pc apps Aug 31 22:00:43 i mean, even if they just forgot Aug 31 22:00:48 tmzt, I'm looking for an encoder that will handle h264 up to 720x480 for gstreamer. Aug 31 22:00:51 its what, less then 5 mins to change it? Aug 31 22:00:55 oil_work: yep Aug 31 22:01:25 zsoc: ah, ok Aug 31 22:01:40 tmzt, http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/tmdh264e.html <--- much like that, actually. Aug 31 22:01:51 zsoc: I would suggest looking to the omap4 stuff for the new neuros device Aug 31 22:02:08 tmzt, Hm, interested. Note made :) Aug 31 22:03:08 or maybe we should just do 0.8.0 this evening (well, my evening) and say "there is only 1 screenshot cause precentral sucks"? Aug 31 22:03:42 id like to test it with multiple shots in the large view before releasing it Aug 31 22:03:59 if you could get that for one of the webosinternals apps Aug 31 22:04:17 and, pc's descriptions, ofcourse Aug 31 22:13:08 I was just checking out preware. Great job :D Aug 31 22:13:46 * oil_work just threw some codes together Aug 31 22:14:30 oil_work: yeah, 0.8.0 may be doable today Aug 31 22:15:02 i can take a bunch of screenshots of each preware screen for testing Aug 31 22:16:03 and we may need to do some parsing on descriptions in the service, for that unicode crap Aug 31 22:27:39 * rwhitby notices http://webosgroup.com/ Aug 31 22:27:49 oil_work: yep Aug 31 22:30:03 any specific place you would like me to put the ss's for the feed to read from? Aug 31 22:30:19 oil_work: on the wiki is fine Aug 31 22:30:28 just upload them as files Aug 31 22:30:35 ok Aug 31 22:30:41 * rwhitby bbl Aug 31 22:34:09 hola Aug 31 22:34:32 English :P Aug 31 22:34:41 ok Aug 31 22:34:45 lol Aug 31 22:37:57 webos in spanish is egg or balls It has these two meanings Aug 31 22:38:34 I'm spanish Aug 31 22:38:52 Yea, someone else told me that in another channel. Aug 31 22:39:00 Yknow I thought of that but I wasn't sure how the b would get translated lol Aug 31 22:39:12 I like webos rancheros myself :P Aug 31 22:40:07 So I'm pretty sure I've asked this question before.. but does it really matter what toolchain i use to compile something as long as it is compatible with arm9? Aug 31 22:40:20 http://www.precentral.net/palm-pre-bluetooth-keyboard-support Aug 31 22:40:35 don't get excited, it's just a plea for support Aug 31 22:40:44 or cortex Aug 31 22:40:48 but I guess it means I should work harder on hidd Aug 31 22:40:58 since I'm obviously not the only one Aug 31 22:41:03 destinal, not sure i got around to telling you, the term update is nice :) Aug 31 22:41:18 Written correctly eggs are hevos but in Internet it is in the habit of saying webos Aug 31 22:41:38 liquid, thank you for clearing that up :D Aug 31 22:42:17 * oil_work waits for destinal to get bluetooth kb support Aug 31 22:43:07 So what interesting things have people been working on lately? Aug 31 22:43:14 I liked the sym extension into a keyboard Aug 31 22:43:15 zsoc: thanks for the compliment. for the recent stuff Zuchmir2 and mrvc deserve all the credit Aug 31 22:43:35 and others I'm probably forgetting to mention Aug 31 22:43:40 Anyone try out Preload 2.0? Seems pretty good Aug 31 22:43:51 Adios! Aug 31 22:43:54 Anyone try out Preload 2.0? It's pretty good Aug 31 22:44:08 before i go googling and end up building myself some bogus off the wall toolchain, could someone remind me of the cross compiler that's considered status quo for pre building? Aug 31 22:44:14 Anyone try out Preload 2.0? It's good Aug 31 22:44:29 Anyone say Preload 2.0 over and over again? It's pretty spammy. Aug 31 22:44:46 zsoc: check out the preware build repository (http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git) Aug 31 22:44:55 destinal, thank you :) Aug 31 22:45:12 IIRC it'll set up a working cross-compile build environment for you Aug 31 22:45:12 destinal: which toolchain do you guys have in there? Aug 31 22:45:30 zsoc: probably was, i expect over time the non open source people will do that a bit. Aug 31 22:46:28 Templarian, Ah. yes i suppose. this seems like a silly place to do it tho. I mean really. Don't... basically devs and dev wannabees like me hang out in here? Aug 31 22:46:54 zsoc: it is irc so I would think so. Aug 31 22:49:31 I really wish I knew an embedded linux video processessing guy.. like the ones that work on the GP2x, etc. Aug 31 22:49:50 is it wrong to tell people to wait until something is either in IPK form? Aug 31 22:50:06 Ikyo, is it ever wrong to tell people to wait for anything? Aug 31 22:50:17 destinal, this should be around 1gb right? Aug 31 22:50:55 did palm say they're working on video capture for the pre? seems silly it's not on there Aug 31 22:51:28 jettero: it's coming, probably in a full minor version update. They better not pull a apple. Aug 31 22:51:32 I don't think we've released any official word on it Aug 31 22:51:44 Templarian: what is "pull a apple?" Aug 31 22:51:48 People make assumptions based on code comments and changes, I think Aug 31 22:51:52 oil_work: ping Aug 31 22:52:09 they said that is comming but did not say when Aug 31 22:52:09 oil_work: we need 2 things before we can release 0.8.0 Aug 31 22:52:16 jettero: a saying, sort of they better not hold off an update for a publicity stunt. Aug 31 22:52:31 Publicity stunt? What do you mean, like a keynote? Aug 31 22:52:31 heh Aug 31 22:52:48 chrisa: r u a developer or just a guy who sits on irc from palm? Aug 31 22:52:49 :> Aug 31 22:52:53 they are? Aug 31 22:53:02 en0x: come again? Aug 31 22:53:04 Templarian, jettero, i can almost 100% confirm video is possible at DVD encoding resolutions. and it has been confirmed by many that video works right now at 480x320 Aug 31 22:53:27 oil_work: 1) when someone pushing update on a service, we need to pop up a screen saying "Preware currently cannot update services (like changing tyres on a moving car) - please use WebOS Quick Install to update services until we add this functionality to Preware." Aug 31 22:53:31 chrisa: are u a palm dev? Aug 31 22:53:59 the implied status is dangling out there... Aug 31 22:54:02 en0x, just a guess here, but since the palm defaults "u" into "you" and "r" into "are", you might want to consider doing the same ;) Aug 31 22:54:03 "we've" Aug 31 22:54:12 zsoc: hehehe Aug 31 22:54:17 oil_work: 2) when someone pushes update on a patch, we need to pop up a screen saying "Preware currently cannot update patches on the fly - please remove the patch first, restart Preware, then install the new patch version." Aug 31 22:54:23 I am, yes Aug 31 22:54:23 Hey guys, guys.. we're all here to develop :) No accusations please ^_^ Aug 31 22:54:31 zsoc: I don't know how big exactly, a gig seems a little high Aug 31 22:54:33 This channel has grown quite a bit. I only recognize Sargun and rwhitby Aug 31 22:54:40 but possible I guess Aug 31 22:54:41 oil_work: get those two? Aug 31 22:54:45 yeah Aug 31 22:54:48 i'm chopped liver i guess :( Aug 31 22:54:58 removing functionality and adding messages are easy xD Aug 31 22:54:58 hi chrisa! Aug 31 22:55:15 oil_work: with those two, we should be rock solid, right? Aug 31 22:55:18 chrisa: it's the codesorcery Aug 31 22:55:18 wow, to pre fans a palm dev is like a rockstar. :) Aug 31 22:55:32 don't know which version off the top of my head Aug 31 22:55:36 * jettero holds up a lighter to chrisa Aug 31 22:55:47 rwhitby: except removing things with prerem Aug 31 22:56:06 rwhitby: and test pcs descriptions/multiple screenshots Aug 31 22:56:31 oil_work: the only things with prerm that restarts services are services :-) Aug 31 22:56:44 and I'll work on PC descriptions today. Aug 31 22:56:47 so we will need to message for service removals Aug 31 22:56:52 as well as updates Aug 31 22:57:01 chrisa: I've been trying to figure out hidd so we can add peripherals (including the keyboards people have been wanting) Aug 31 22:57:05 oil_work: yeah, that's a good idea. Aug 31 22:57:10 chrisa, would it be too much to pry into what your specialty is? dev wise? Aug 31 22:57:16 I know less about developing webos apps than pretty much everyone here Aug 31 22:57:19 rwhitby: and ill add to the message "should be working by 1.0.0" Aug 31 22:57:27 or, planned to be working Aug 31 22:57:31 chrisa: I'll take you on for that title Aug 31 22:57:31 Just kernel/etc stuff Aug 31 22:57:34 I know very little... Aug 31 22:57:37 we can flip for it Aug 31 22:57:52 oil_work: nod on the 1.0.0 Aug 31 22:58:09 oil_work: so I think that's a plan? Aug 31 22:58:38 or something closely resembling one Aug 31 22:58:55 :-) Aug 31 22:59:08 anything else we'll just make up as we go ... Aug 31 23:00:30 chrisa: and trying to get services stuff going, but palm's libpurple-adapter LGPL release is missing stuff that prevents it from actually compiling :( Aug 31 23:00:49 so java seems to be the only working option there at the moment Aug 31 23:00:55 destinal: anyone working on irc support for it? Aug 31 23:00:58 or muc Aug 31 23:01:21 tmzt: well, if libpurple-adapter would build we could just add plugins to a custom build of it Aug 31 23:01:35 including the standard libpurple irc plugin Aug 31 23:01:37 * oil_work cant wait for them to get irc in there so he can build the mojo app for it Aug 31 23:01:47 right, but the ui doesn't support it either Aug 31 23:02:09 a mojo app would be pretty straightforward if we had a service going for it Aug 31 23:02:57 destinal: maybe sent an email to palm Aug 31 23:02:57 ;] Aug 31 23:03:00 java irc app should be somewhat straight forward .. feeding json back and forth ? Aug 31 23:03:21 though it is pretty weak the libpurpleadapter stuff to create the service in C is not available :( Aug 31 23:03:29 bpadalino: yeah, but we have purple on the device already, it seems a shame not to use it Aug 31 23:03:39 indeed Aug 31 23:05:07 * rwhitby bbl (1h) Aug 31 23:06:43 destinal, nifty little script rwhitby made there. if it works it'll be even more amazing ;) Aug 31 23:07:16 ahoy Aug 31 23:07:24 mbetter, ahoy indeed :) Aug 31 23:08:08 i followed a link from the precentral forum here Aug 31 23:08:23 is there anything like the call/chat integration of this: http://treitter.livejournal.com/10268.html Aug 31 23:08:46 regarding a 'loading forever' problem installing preware Aug 31 23:09:33 tmzt, that problem is silly Aug 31 23:09:51 mbetter, er... i think that might be documented? i'm not the one to answer your question tho :) Aug 31 23:09:51 They unstickied Preware... that was odd. Aug 31 23:10:04 Templarian, shouldn't surprise you I think. Aug 31 23:10:23 zsoc: sorry? Aug 31 23:10:37 oh Aug 31 23:10:47 tmzt, None of those words were what I meant to say, heh, my fault. my brain doesn't work sometimes Aug 31 23:11:43 tmzt, i meant that device is silly, not sure what nokia is thinking. atleast it'll never take off in the states. Aug 31 23:11:51 what i noticed is that when you "minimalize" preware app it will have the loading and spinning circle forever Aug 31 23:12:10 So what is this Preload app, google was a bit confused Aug 31 23:12:20 chrisa: nothing. Aug 31 23:12:22 i'm getting the circle forever on launch of the app Aug 31 23:12:41 did u reboot? Aug 31 23:12:48 or restart the luna manager? Aug 31 23:12:55 Preload is an installer from pimpmypre or something, isn't it? Aug 31 23:13:03 i did, i'll try again Aug 31 23:13:04 destinal: it is and its a very crappy app Aug 31 23:13:15 i used it for 5 minutes and deleted it Aug 31 23:13:16 Never even heard of pimpmypre Aug 31 23:13:25 u can download ringtones wallpapers etc thru it Aug 31 23:13:33 and upload too if u want Aug 31 23:13:41 they're another group, I haven't heard a lot from them personally Aug 31 23:13:53 This website is awful Aug 31 23:13:58 I think Preware's the best installer at this point Aug 31 23:14:03 chrisa, silly non open source people ;) Aug 31 23:14:05 chrisa: it's a very badly botched template. Aug 31 23:14:08 heh everything pre is starting with their own homebrew app store Aug 31 23:14:09 hehe Aug 31 23:14:34 i got my pre today.. once i get it up and running, i plan on starting my own app store Aug 31 23:14:36 hey everyone, i have a great idea, lets develop 10 different home brew app stores :P Aug 31 23:14:36 en0x: not store, loaders, way different. everyone is making sure not to compete w/ palm on the store thing Aug 31 23:14:38 two of them actually Aug 31 23:15:05 destinal:thats what i meant ;) Aug 31 23:15:19 What ever you say don't refer to it as a store, worst we need is legal stuff. Aug 31 23:15:34 It's not a store, simply a mis-type is all :) Aug 31 23:15:36 how about a "marketplace"? Aug 31 23:15:40 or "bazaar"? Aug 31 23:15:45 nah man, loader :P Aug 31 23:15:52 hehe Aug 31 23:15:57 "swap meet"? "flea market"? Aug 31 23:15:59 what about bazaar workaround Aug 31 23:15:59 :p Aug 31 23:16:08 If anyone asks you are using these services to "test" your apps. hehe. Aug 31 23:16:26 has anyone here gotten samba up and running? Aug 31 23:16:26 you guys are funny Aug 31 23:16:41 :) Aug 31 23:16:57 mbetter: I think someone has, it's probably as easy as ipkg-opt install samba Aug 31 23:17:02 * Templarian goes back to adding keybinding for komodo, to many requests. Aug 31 23:17:21 i was hoping to be able to browse network shares on the pre Aug 31 23:17:48 well, you could get the cifs kernel module and a service to handle mounting Aug 31 23:17:56 the service is the biggest missing piece there Aug 31 23:18:54 and then I don't know of a file manager but if it was mounted under /media you could open pdf and word docs and stuff that way or something Aug 31 23:18:55 doable, you think? Aug 31 23:19:10 a file manager / browser app might be yet another piece we need :-/ Aug 31 23:19:14 You could likely run nfs-user-server until a debian chroot, then expose those mounts outside somehiw Aug 31 23:19:17 *somehow Aug 31 23:19:28 destinal, pretty sure there is one Aug 31 23:19:29 destinal: what about internalz? Aug 31 23:19:38 oh, haven't checked that one out yet Aug 31 23:19:45 it can move files Aug 31 23:19:47 copy itp Aug 31 23:19:49 etc. Aug 31 23:19:55 or not yet hmm Aug 31 23:20:04 i have yet to see what it available, i'm still trying to load up preware Aug 31 23:20:06 gotta look into it Aug 31 23:20:16 still giving me that loading screen after a reboot Aug 31 23:20:18 mbetter: there is 200 apps in preware lol Aug 31 23:20:22 So filecoaster appears to be something to download / install ipkgs on the phone? Aug 31 23:20:27 Catching up on all this random stuff Aug 31 23:20:44 chrisa, preware is superior, clearly :D Aug 31 23:20:53 chrisa: yap Aug 31 23:20:54 chrisa, but yes, you got the gist of it. Aug 31 23:21:12 any simple troubleshooting i can do to figure out why i can't get preware to load? Aug 31 23:21:30 mbetter, restart luna mgr? Aug 31 23:21:30 try closing it and opening it again Aug 31 23:21:36 Is there a preware ipk anywhere? Aug 31 23:21:48 chrisa, of course, in WebOS QuickInstall :) Aug 31 23:21:52 same here but i did a reste and it showed up. Aug 31 23:21:54 Using a tool to install it seems unnecessary Aug 31 23:21:56 on preware.org ;D Aug 31 23:22:05 chrisa: it also needs the package manager service Aug 31 23:22:20 the package manager app disappeared after the reboot Aug 31 23:22:20 chrisa, or if you prefer novacom, there are CLI instructions on webos-internals website.. i can find the link if you like Aug 31 23:22:21 right, but that easily could be in an ipk as well Aug 31 23:22:36 totally. Aug 31 23:22:40 oh ok, scrolling down Aug 31 23:22:44 I see the "advanced" section Aug 31 23:22:45 mbetter: thats supposed to happen Aug 31 23:22:55 the icon is "visible: false" Aug 31 23:23:01 but it only becomes invisible after a reboot Aug 31 23:23:22 chrisa, yep, i can confirm those instructions work :) Aug 31 23:23:24 ok, is there a way to restart luna from the gui? Aug 31 23:23:38 no? Aug 31 23:23:42 mbetter, only if you have the terminal app or can ssh in.. otherwise just restart your phone? Aug 31 23:23:58 i've restarted multiple times.. doesn't seem to help Aug 31 23:24:19 mbetter, honestly, it sounds like you don't have the package manager service. what method did you use to install? Aug 31 23:24:26 * zsoc wonders if this is a support channel Aug 31 23:24:39 webos-quickinstall Aug 31 23:25:21 mbetter, did you select (check off the little box) on both preware and the package manager service (atleast i think that's what it's called) Aug 31 23:25:58 zsoc: yeah.. and the icon for the package manager service was there until i rebooted Aug 31 23:27:47 mbetter, hm.. strange. still there or no? Aug 31 23:27:47 the first time i installed it, i got ahead of myself and didn't install the service.. got an error so i went back and followed the instructions.. i'm just guessing that that's why i'm in this mess Aug 31 23:27:57 it's gone now, disappeared on a reboot Aug 31 23:28:08 mbetter, and preware? still hangs? Aug 31 23:28:31 yeah, still hangs.. Aug 31 23:30:13 it's not listed on the "list apps.." screen, i'm not sure if "visible: false" applies to that as well Aug 31 23:30:19 mbetter, no idea. i would try firing up quickinstall again and verifying / re-installing the package manager service. maybe even click on that bogus icon that isn't suppose to show up, heh. Aug 31 23:30:38 i'll give it a shot Aug 31 23:30:38 remove them both Aug 31 23:30:40 reboot Aug 31 23:30:49 do it again using the instructions frmo the start Aug 31 23:31:04 oil_work: sounds good, i haven't tried that yet Aug 31 23:31:16 if that doesn't work, there is other problems Aug 31 23:31:59 Well here's a build error I've never seen: "make: Nothing to be done for `download'" Aug 31 23:33:46 That's a pretty common make message Aug 31 23:33:55 Nothing to be done for that target Aug 31 23:35:49 chrisa, you caught my ignorance :P thank you for the answer tho :) er.. don't suppose you could define "target" a little better? Aug 31 23:36:12 what was the website with source code and patches for programs used in webos? Aug 31 23:36:48 en0x, opensource.palm.com ? Aug 31 23:36:55 yap that the one thanks Aug 31 23:37:37 zsoc: a makefile contains a list of targets to build, typically this is broken down into components and then you have a main component depending on the others so it builds/links them in an appropriate order Aug 31 23:38:34 no luck with the uninstall - reboot - install Aug 31 23:38:44 then you have other problems Aug 31 23:38:49 or you're just really impatient Aug 31 23:38:57 and just think its stuck Aug 31 23:39:02 when its really just taking a little while Aug 31 23:39:11 anyone good with js and ajax please look in #webos i could use a hand :D Aug 31 23:39:13 well, it's been like five minutes Aug 31 23:39:59 * oil_work will try to help later Aug 31 23:40:02 but its time to leave work Aug 31 23:40:06 chrisa, hm.. points to a web address... i think i see the issue actually, thanks. Aug 31 23:40:07 okie Aug 31 23:40:28 thanks for the help though.. i'm going to uninstall, ssh in and try the advanced instructions Aug 31 23:40:38 chrisa, hey, what do you guys do to compile to arm cortex from x86? Aug 31 23:41:15 zsoc: they use OpenEmbedded Aug 31 23:42:11 rwhitby, Oh you're back :) So apparently I have nothing to be done for 'download' :P which is odd because I don't even see the word "download" in the makefile.. maybe that's ignorant of me. Aug 31 23:42:27 zsoc: which Makefile are you referring to? Aug 31 23:42:47 toolchain/cs08q1armel <- i can only guess that's what I'm looking for Aug 31 23:43:33 zsoc: try "make toolchain" at the top-level of preware/build.git Aug 31 23:44:25 ok i'm going to build gst-bad-plugins Aug 31 23:44:40 rwhitby, make: Nothing to be done for `toolchain'. <-- er.. is it possible the original make didn't work right? I had an error or 2. Aug 31 23:45:01 zsoc: "make clobber" and try again Aug 31 23:45:22 "PreLoad: The Homebrew Hero" - love it :-) Aug 31 23:45:46 rwhitby, clobber worked... make gave me the same error Aug 31 23:46:53 i'm using ipkg to install the ipkgservice Aug 31 23:47:02 and it finishes with this: (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst) Aug 31 23:47:40 mbetter, er.. you need to run the postinst, but that will restart the antenna, killing your ssh session. Aug 31 23:48:05 anyone knows how to get past this: Aug 31 23:48:06 root@castle:/var/home/root# tar -xvf gst-plugins-bad-0.10.11.tar Aug 31 23:48:06 tar: invalid tar magic Aug 31 23:48:35 zsoc: can i just reconnect afterwards then? Aug 31 23:49:17 en0x: where are you getting that? Aug 31 23:49:25 the package I mean Aug 31 23:49:35 from gstreamer website Aug 31 23:49:48 oh the busybox tar sux Aug 31 23:49:58 mbetter, sure Aug 31 23:50:40 zsoc: okay cool.. so how do i run the postinst? Aug 31 23:51:02 en0x: you have a build environment on the pre itself? Aug 31 23:51:17 yap ;) Aug 31 23:51:19 mbetter: any reason why you're not just using webos quick install? Aug 31 23:51:37 rwhitby: i'd get the 'loading' screen forever Aug 31 23:51:59 mbetter: did you install the service and app separately? Aug 31 23:52:01 rwhitby: couldn't really get past it so i figured i'd give it a shot this way Aug 31 23:52:15 rwhitby: yeah, i did the service and then the app Aug 31 23:52:31 mbetter: and you used quick install 2.01 or later? Aug 31 23:52:35 mbetter, er.. aren't you following the instructions on the webos internals wiki? line for running the postinst is right there... Aug 31 23:52:45 2.02 Aug 31 23:52:49 reboot the phone Aug 31 23:53:17 zsoc: doh! i was going line by line just to make sure i didn't get ahead of myself Aug 31 23:53:33 * mbetter smacks self in head Aug 31 23:53:55 mbetter, line by line is a fine idea :P Aug 31 23:54:22 en0x: ipkg-opt install file then file gst-plugins-bad-0.10.11.tar Aug 31 23:55:19 destinal: i got it working by using gnu tar Aug 31 23:55:42 ok it wont compile glib is too old Aug 31 23:56:21 :( i'm back in the same place i started Aug 31 23:56:24 i gotta setup crosscompile box Aug 31 23:56:49 * rwhitby points to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Press_Room and asks people to contribute Aug 31 23:56:50 en0x, well, i might be able to assist you after i figure out what i'm going through now, lol Aug 31 23:56:54 en0x: if you're using debian chroot can't you just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ? Aug 31 23:57:30 mbetter, ok.. er.. do you have service where you are now? Aug 31 23:57:51 zsoc: k sounds cool Aug 31 23:57:56 en0x: though cross-compile is probably a good option overall Aug 31 23:58:02 zsoc: looks like it, i've got bars and wifi Aug 31 23:58:14 mbetter, try turning wifi off Aug 31 23:58:17 okie Aug 31 23:58:38 zsoc: so what's wrong with the N900? Aug 31 23:59:14 destinal, i'm partial to the pre :( i'm sure it's a great device lol. also i dislike gsm greatly, possibly because american gsm companies are really bad. Aug 31 23:59:37 mrph Aug 31 23:59:44 * rwhitby is busy at http://www.precentral.net/palmcast-live for a while, responses will be delayed Sep 01 00:00:06 heh.. precentral palm cast... Sep 01 00:00:12 every now and again my pre gets really (really) unresponsive. I log in via novaterm and the powerd waking up and going to sleep over and over and over and over... have you guys seen this? Sep 01 00:00:13 zsoc: I'm considering a port of maemo to the pre once the N900 phone stuff is stabilized Sep 01 00:00:29 a truly open source stack would be nice Sep 01 00:01:04 disabling wifi doesn't seem to help.. my service seems spotty here, though Sep 01 00:01:51 jettero: I've heard of it but never seen it myself Sep 01 00:02:43 2009-08-31T23:53:08.164393Z [15084] castle user.info powerd: POWERD-ACTIVITY: PowerdActivityStop: (com.palm.wan.tc-18632) <-- this (and then start and then stop) about 1700 times per second Sep 01 00:02:48 * zsoc has never watched the palmcast.. wonder's if these "dudes" know what in the world is going on with.. anything.. Sep 01 00:02:49 per minute, excuse me Sep 01 00:02:57 ok i'm calling it quits for now... thanks for all your help zsoc Sep 01 00:03:12 mbetter, or lack, heh.. honestly your problem is very strange. not sure what to suggest. Sep 01 00:04:24 zsoc: palmcast is purely a conduit to the masses Sep 01 00:04:32 * en0x is watching Sep 01 00:04:43 destinal: the phone stuff is not open it turns out Sep 01 00:04:51 don't expect any -internals info there, other than announcements of our stuff when it's ready for Aunt Minnie Sep 01 00:04:53 destinal: according to #ofono people Sep 01 00:05:00 rwhitby, so.. in other words.. it's as ridiculous as the "pre"conversation seems? because it's really ridiculous. Sep 01 00:06:26 i almost can't believe they are getting paid to do this. ok, that's the last thing. i'm done talking now. Sep 01 00:06:36 tmzt: it's not? ouch Sep 01 00:07:12 hmmm yap time to setup crossompile Sep 01 00:07:19 box Sep 01 00:07:21 heh :( Sep 01 00:07:58 en0x, hm? Sep 01 00:08:21 destinal: where did you hear of it? Sep 01 00:08:24 well i'm trying to compile gstreamer bad plugins but i have glib too old Sep 01 00:08:24 destinal: yeah, they use a closed stack on maemo5 but are looking to switch to ofono I think Sep 01 00:08:42 so i have to setup some chroot and crosscompile on one of my pcs at work Sep 01 00:10:07 en0x, coincidentally, i'm doing basically the same thing. D: Sep 01 00:10:23 trying to compile bad plugins? hehehhe Sep 01 00:10:34 en0x, no, good ones :) which plugins are you trying to compile? Sep 01 00:10:36 the aac+ is pissing me off so i have to get that running Sep 01 00:10:39 tmzt: is ofono better in that regard? Sep 01 00:10:43 en0x, ah.. audio stuff? Sep 01 00:10:45 i want the aac+ plugin Sep 01 00:10:46 yap Sep 01 00:11:05 en0x, i'm trying to get a 720x480 h264 encoder working :P Sep 01 00:11:05 the one on pre sucks it plays fine for a sec then the audio is sloooooow Sep 01 00:11:20 and u cant understand a thing Sep 01 00:12:04 destinal: I have no idea, but it makes maemo as a phone harder to support on other hardware without it Sep 01 00:12:29 zsoc: and what palm said that they dont support drm aac+ Sep 01 00:12:31 hehe Sep 01 00:12:50 and its not even an drm crap its a shoutcast stream using aac+ Sep 01 00:13:23 en0x, that's ok, they custom compiled a version of v4lv2 for the camera that has a capability template capped at 480x320.. FOR NO REASON that i can find. Sep 01 00:14:16 do u have a crosscompile box setup somewhere? Sep 01 00:14:39 en0x, working on it now :P rwhitby is helping me get his git version up and running Sep 01 00:14:49 i c Sep 01 00:14:57 en0x, and actually, i may now have a crosscompile box setup :D Sep 01 00:15:00 Can anyone think of why my clock time speeds up on my pre whenever I use clipcarl's CPU scaling? Sep 01 00:15:19 zsoc: then compile the plugin for me and send it over ;P Sep 01 00:15:22 en0x, http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=summary <-- if you want to see Sep 01 00:15:33 en0x, i was going to ask you to do that! lol, if it's working i'll do it Sep 01 00:16:03 kk Sep 01 00:16:12 for sure there is somebody with crosscompile box Sep 01 00:16:13 ;] Sep 01 00:17:28 en0x, seriously, give me a few minutes and some of rwhitby's time and we may be good ;) Sep 01 00:18:02 i'm not rushing Sep 01 00:18:25 en0x: you any good with javascript ajax? Sep 01 00:18:37 nah i never like it Sep 01 00:18:42 i know other scripting langs Sep 01 00:18:42 :p Sep 01 00:18:44 damnnit :) Sep 01 00:19:09 when trading in my pre, i should probably go to them with the standard back and not the touchstone one, right? Sep 01 00:19:22 gkatsev, good idea Sep 01 00:19:24 gkatsev: what do you mean? Sep 01 00:19:30 oh ya Sep 01 00:19:38 don't give them your touchstone back cover :) Sep 01 00:19:54 i may have to trade mine in too, volume button started to stick the other day Sep 01 00:20:02 yeah, gonna put stock pre battery now Sep 01 00:20:06 so, i wont forget Sep 01 00:20:10 i fear they are going to see the large chip in the case and say i have to pay a deductable though Sep 01 00:20:24 i have a crack along the screen plus the screen is starting to get really wobbly Sep 01 00:20:55 772k downloads from precentral, I have to think preware is some noticable part of that number Sep 01 00:20:58 gkatsev, spidering crack? Sep 01 00:21:54 how does this trade in thing work? I've been wondering about that Sep 01 00:22:09 also, since I paid $$ retail for mine, do I still have options if it breaks? Sep 01 00:22:15 things to wonder about. Sep 01 00:22:27 jettero, get insurance? Sep 01 00:22:30 ja Sep 01 00:22:34 jettero: basically, you go to sprint if you have a problem, so, if they deem your proble worthy, they will replace it, since plam doesnt allow fixing Sep 01 00:22:35 $7/m (worth it if it works) Sep 01 00:22:46 or in-sewer-ants, if you will. Sep 01 00:22:51 who said my name Sep 01 00:22:53 the standard warranty is 1 year as wwell Sep 01 00:23:19 if you don't have insurance (I do, but if you didn't) and you were past the year, are you sol? or can you send it in or something? Sep 01 00:23:23 webosdring in process Sep 01 00:23:41 jettero: you probably will have to pay parts/labor to get it fixed Sep 01 00:23:49 outside of warranty Sep 01 00:23:56 oil: you should register at chatroll.com and put in a user picture Sep 01 00:24:01 I'm not usually an early adopter, but a phone running linux that gets my iphone nut cousin off my back... had to get it Sep 01 00:24:11 so I do not know these things. :) Sep 01 00:24:32 second ever phone for me Sep 01 00:24:47 heh Sep 01 00:24:48 its a third smartphone for me Sep 01 00:24:50 you sound young Sep 01 00:24:51 i had win mo before Sep 01 00:24:55 jettero: yea if you have the insurance you can make a claim 3 times in a 12 month period and you have to pay $100 each time you make a claim Sep 01 00:25:30 i just don't want to part with the $100 for the volume button sticking even though i have dropped it the damage is on the opposite side Sep 01 00:25:49 i think they are going to try to deem this as user caused even though others have had the same issue with the volume key sticking Sep 01 00:26:16 jcrawford, volume key issue is definately a defect, i've seen the part with my own eyes Sep 01 00:26:48 zsoc: yea but they may try to say since i dropped it.... i have to pay the deductable for the insurance claim Sep 01 00:27:09 gkatsev: http://www.webosboston.org/2009/08/31/mailing-list-all-set/ Sep 01 00:27:20 woops wrong channel sorry :D Sep 01 00:28:32 so who here knows javascript and ajax requests using only JS and not prototype? Sep 01 00:28:37 i need a hand with something Sep 01 00:28:53 jettero: yep, only 20... Sep 01 00:29:13 Templarian: seems people like your Preware icon: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/200660-preware-5.html#post1858643 Sep 01 00:30:26 i got a crack and i have not dropped mine, and i barely open the usb port. which is where the crack originates Sep 01 00:30:46 bbl, 1hr maybe Sep 01 00:31:12 box FTW Sep 01 00:31:30 rwhitby: awesome. Told you cute works. Sep 01 00:31:35 the original backing for the pre is so plasticy and yucky Sep 01 00:31:45 touchstone FTW Sep 01 00:32:27 (if only for the backing) Sep 01 00:32:58 RainMan, ping Sep 01 00:33:16 anyone knows where i can get the back cover engraved? Sep 01 00:33:26 google? Sep 01 00:34:24 yeah probably Sep 01 00:34:57 webosdring complete Sep 01 00:35:59 hopefully theyll be able to replace it right when i come in Sep 01 00:41:22 wait you have to pay $100 when you *have* insurance? Sep 01 00:41:26 wtf is the $70/y for? Sep 01 00:41:36 someone needs to teach them the meaning of *insurance* Sep 01 00:41:53 Most insurance policies still have a co-pay Sep 01 00:41:55 Just saying Sep 01 00:42:22 yeah, a deer ran into my car (complete terrorist act, i say) and i had to pay the $500 deductable .. Sep 01 00:42:27 sure, but is the co-pay usually more than the yearly fee for the insurance? Sep 01 00:42:27 jettero, deductable :) Sep 01 00:42:33 jettero: what is your deductable on the car insurance? Sep 01 00:42:36 granted the deer did $4800 of damage - but still .. Sep 01 00:42:39 what do you pay a year for your car insurance>? Sep 01 00:42:41 is the co-pay usually 1/6th the price of the item? Sep 01 00:42:49 $1100 ? Sep 01 00:42:51 phone is 600 dollars. 7 a month and 100 deductable.. not bad really. Sep 01 00:43:02 I think it's extortion Sep 01 00:43:26 you aren't forced :) Sep 01 00:43:51 if you wanna compare it to house insurance or whatever, the price should be about 1/100th per year and the deductable should be like 0.005% of the cose of the house Sep 01 00:44:12 I didn't say it's not worth getting, I said it's extortion Sep 01 00:44:38 jettero: if they tried to make you pay $30k deductable for a house they know that no one would buy the insurance Sep 01 00:44:58 because it'd be a ripoff Sep 01 00:45:03 show sprint the same by not buying the insurance and dishing out $600 for your new phone when you *will* need a replacement sooner of later Sep 01 00:45:04 i tend to think it's a little easier to break a phone versus a house Sep 01 00:45:19 oh hell i have dropped mine like 10x already :D Sep 01 00:45:22 again, I didn't say it wasn't worth getting, I said it's extortion Sep 01 00:45:38 it's a probability thing, isn't it ? Sep 01 00:45:44 probably Sep 01 00:45:54 at least with this phone it's a pretty sure thing I'll be making a claim. :) Sep 01 00:45:55 egaudet pong! Sep 01 00:45:56 i see what you did thre Sep 01 00:48:00 RainMan, could you do me a favor to verify the issue for the keyboard? Sep 01 00:48:40 copy "/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/resources/en_us/kbchars_fulltable.json to /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/en_ca/" Sep 01 00:48:42 this doesnt make sense... the warranty states that the hardware is to be free from defects for 1 year, yet it does not cover cracked LCD? Sep 01 00:48:45 * gkatsev is confused Sep 01 00:49:11 and then verify the keyboard looks right afterwards Sep 01 00:49:57 kk w8 Sep 01 00:51:28 anyone got a crack and got it replaced by sprint/palm? Sep 01 00:52:27 gkatsev, I may or may not work for a very large or very small dealer store that may or may not have between 1 and 10,000 stores in american. we may or may not have a RMA deal directly with sprint who may, or may not, take back pre's for the reason of defect for the screen spidering or the volume button sticking issues Sep 01 00:54:41 egaudet "no such file" i've done a find .. i got it in ...submission/191.15/resources/ and subimiss.../resources/en_us/ Sep 01 00:55:10 copy from the en_us/ to the en_ca/ Sep 01 00:55:24 the other one in resources/ shouldn't be there, must be leftover Sep 01 00:56:18 sorry for wrong directory path Sep 01 00:57:00 has anybody successfully got there app to save an image to the mediaDB? Sep 01 00:58:25 egaudet i copy it in the 191.15/resources... or i ditch the 191.15 ? Sep 01 00:58:43 you should be able to ditch the 191.15/resources/kbchars_fulltable.json Sep 01 00:58:57 copy the 191.15/resources/en_us/kbchars_fulltable.json to 191.15/resources/en-ca/ Sep 01 00:59:46 done Sep 01 00:59:55 but now the vkeyb it stuck open haha Sep 01 01:00:10 restart luna ? Sep 01 01:00:31 if you tap gesture it doesn't go away? Sep 01 01:00:34 yea try restart luna Sep 01 01:01:31 restarting now ! ... Sep 01 01:03:58 nwo the vkeyb doesnt appear Sep 01 01:04:34 How did you install it? through preware? Sep 01 01:04:42 heh, looking at us Sep 01 01:04:49 yup Sep 01 01:05:10 0.7.7 Sep 01 01:05:15 I thought that most sites catch the webkit UA that we're already using Sep 01 01:05:16 no? Sep 01 01:05:18 i've done a webos doctor yesterday Sep 01 01:05:41 try uninstalling and reinstalling Sep 01 01:05:44 the keyboard patch Sep 01 01:05:50 through preware Sep 01 01:06:51 I believe the only reason for the smaller keys you were seeing was because it wasn't getting the spans from the kbchars_fulltable.json since your localization is en_ca, and the patch currently only installs the json in en_us Sep 01 01:07:26 kk logical ! if you patch the install .. put it also in the fr_ca Sep 01 01:07:41 since we have the choice on our palm (dont know for yours) Sep 01 01:07:58 I should get on this palmcast chat, they're totally wrong re: wifi Sep 01 01:07:59 Weee youV'e nailed it ! Sep 01 01:08:00 Yes I plan to get as many localizations in I can, and definitely the currently shipped ones ASAP Sep 01 01:08:02 work #1 now ! =o) Sep 01 01:08:03 it has huge battery impact Sep 01 01:08:17 destinal, get in Sep 01 01:08:17 (if searching and not in use) Sep 01 01:08:20 dooo it Sep 01 01:09:01 we can thank destinal for that answer RainMan, saw him mention it in the logs :) Sep 01 01:09:30 :) Sep 01 01:09:57 I am going to restructure things and get plans for localizations and maybe dynamic language changes hopefully in the next release. Sep 01 01:10:02 thx destinal Sep 01 01:10:10 but now .. the vkeyb it stuck open again haha Sep 01 01:10:38 in the web browser the only way to close it it's to close the browser Sep 01 01:10:48 well sorry "co in card view" Sep 01 01:10:52 go* Sep 01 01:11:08 RainMan, that was not the case before re-install? Sep 01 01:11:27 a single gesture tap should dismiss it when it is up. If it doesn't, is it still functional when staying up? Sep 01 01:11:33 nope it's new from 5 min ago lol Sep 01 01:12:31 erm now i can open it lol Sep 01 01:12:51 can or cant? Sep 01 01:13:01 cant' Sep 01 01:13:10 i've closed the browser ! .. and reopen it Sep 01 01:13:23 working like it should now ... 2 tap open . 1 tap close Sep 01 01:13:41 i think my pre is laggy right now =o/ Sep 01 01:16:14 Does the browser have a 'go to top' key or such, I should check sometime Sep 01 01:18:22 don't think so but I could be wrong, haven't played with it a lot Sep 01 01:18:54 i haven't seen one Sep 01 01:19:30 chrisa, how much processing has to be done for mp3 decoding? mostly done on the c64x+ core ? Sep 01 01:19:47 is it just DMA operations, or is there heavy lifting involved ? Sep 01 01:19:53 zsoc: this is a photo twitpic.com/g1em1 the crack used to be half as big. i think im gonna go to the sprint store see what theyll say Sep 01 01:20:21 egaudet well working fine now !! much more easyer to use it ! .. Sep 01 01:20:26 thx Sep 01 01:20:58 :) you will be the only one in Canada with a normal space bar until the next release Sep 01 01:21:13 Thank YOU for verifying it for me Sep 01 01:21:14 hahaha nice ! Sep 01 01:21:22 na i'm here for that Sep 01 01:21:39 i work in computer etc ! but not good enought for scripting Sep 01 01:21:55 i dont know whee to start for the pre ... i have some great idea for app =o( Sep 01 01:22:02 but dont know how to do them hahah Sep 01 01:22:27 for apps start with html, css, javascript, prototype api Sep 01 01:22:48 well that dont start well i h8 html hahaha Sep 01 01:23:19 but for what i want i think i need to control hardware directly Sep 01 01:23:36 well you won't have to use html much at all, but it will help you know what's going on underneath the mojo Sep 01 01:23:39 i will read the starting guide in the wiki ! should be good for now Sep 01 01:24:07 yea and you can always ask as many questions as you need in here Sep 01 01:25:59 can't promise we'll have answers tho Sep 01 01:26:01 nice thx ! dont want to distrurb pple with some "noob" question lol Sep 01 01:26:08 RainMan, I do it all day long. Sep 01 01:26:15 what .. you cant ! i was thinking you were "pre guru" Sep 01 01:26:16 Damn ;) Sep 01 01:26:37 that'S old hardware now ! you should know it already ! ;) Sep 01 01:26:44 sorry for my broken english btw lol Sep 01 01:28:06 everyone had to learn at some point, and there are lots of very knowledgeable and very helpful people here all the time Sep 01 01:28:32 what hardware? Sep 01 01:28:50 yea some "nick" here appear almost everywhere on "pre" related stuff haha Sep 01 01:29:01 tmzt phone speaker + microphone Sep 01 01:29:13 while "in call" Sep 01 01:29:14 not sure what you mean Sep 01 01:29:21 22:51 < RainMan> what .. you cant ! i was thinking you were "pre guru" Sep 01 01:29:21 22:51 < RainMan> Damn ;) Sep 01 01:29:21 22:51 < RainMan> that'S old hardware now ! you should know it already ! ;) Sep 01 01:29:22 recording phone call Sep 01 01:29:24 22:51 < RainMan> sorry for my broken english btw lol Sep 01 01:29:27 hooo sorry Sep 01 01:29:51 Pre uses alsa/asoc I believe, you should be able to direct phone audio to pcm Sep 01 01:29:58 naa just to anoy you a little bit ;) Sep 01 01:29:59 but you may not be able to listen at the same time Sep 01 01:30:14 kk Sep 01 01:30:25 i want an "recording phone" app for the pre Sep 01 01:30:33 then make one Sep 01 01:30:38 while in call you turn it on and save it in a mp3 file etc Sep 01 01:30:57 oil .. that why i start learning what i have to learn ! ;) Sep 01 01:31:15 i'm not asking some to do it for me ! Sep 01 01:31:20 someone* Sep 01 01:36:22 RainMan: that should be possible Sep 01 01:36:27 it's all pulseaudio Sep 01 01:37:07 that being said, I have no idea how to actually do it myself, never having worked with pulseaudio Sep 01 01:37:17 kk dont know pulseaudio .. i used to administrate remote server ! with no audio and other stuff more "workstation" related Sep 01 01:37:42 Everything I know about pulse audio I dislike. Heck, I even removed it from my current distro D: Sep 01 01:37:54 you'll probably need to write a service to control those features though, and currently, probably in java Sep 01 01:38:01 going to have to get slightly back into tho... i have a prejudice from when it used to wreak havok Sep 01 01:38:23 pulseaudio still causing havok in ubuntu, audio randomly going out etc.. Sep 01 01:38:26 ? Sep 01 01:38:49 even though so much of the front end apps are written in javascript, that doesn't mean all of the power of linux has been extended out to the javascript (nor should it be) Sep 01 01:38:51 egaudet, that's a very broad question :) seems to be working for most. legacy hardware is really the issue Sep 01 01:39:00 lol will be funny a pre without audio ;) Sep 01 01:39:13 destinal, Er... I would be willing to say only the front end is really extended out to the javascript ;) Sep 01 01:39:23 I know I had problems a while ago with it, but I don't really use audio on my home pc much so I didn't really research it Sep 01 01:39:47 well, sure, but if you want to add more front end, you often have to add more back end and then control it with new front end Sep 01 01:40:08 since often there isn't currently anything to control that will talk to mojo Sep 01 01:40:30 Ultimately, pulseaudio is just a proxy server. Alsa still does the "work" Sep 01 01:40:36 well that was fun Sep 01 01:40:59 I'm afraid I would never actually become "useful" in any sort of development unless we started getting into video drivers and indirect rendering, lol. Sep 01 01:41:03 yeah but I thought the channelizing was in pulse Sep 01 01:41:21 granular control of muxing etc Sep 01 01:41:45 destinal, sounds reasonably accurate... not a sound guy, just do some troubleshooting :) Sep 01 01:42:07 * destinal is not one either. Sep 01 01:42:12 I have sooo much to learn Sep 01 01:42:14 zsoc: oh? you work on that stuff? Sep 01 01:44:12 tmzt, define stuff please? :) Sep 01 01:52:43 23:05 < zsoc> I'm afraid I would never actually become "useful" in any sort of development unless we started getting into video drivers and indirect rendering, lol. Sep 01 01:52:53 like drm support for omap3 :) Sep 01 01:53:49 tmzt, ah. yeah. I should be more interested in that I suppose. I guess for some reason I feel we're so far away I haven't really even looked into the hardward limitations.. short of a brief read over omap3430 :) Sep 01 01:57:21 tmzt, besides, if my limited knowledge fails... i have friends in and around the compiz project and opensource video driver development :) Sep 01 01:58:32 well, the omapfb is similar to the omap2, but there's also a sgx chip which is not supported Sep 01 01:58:54 right, directfb is fun. Sep 01 01:58:57 I it's waiting for the openpandora to be released with 3d support Sep 01 01:59:01 directfb? Sep 01 02:00:08 tmzt, er.. think of it as an alternative to X Sep 01 02:00:24 is there a downside to developer mode on the pre? Sep 01 02:00:44 it leaves the firewall off Sep 01 02:00:58 zsoc: yes I know, but I was no referring to dfb, just the kernel driver Sep 01 02:01:13 that's a big one Sep 01 02:02:02 What's going on in the WebOS world today Sep 01 02:02:13 1.2 just came out Sep 01 02:02:24 Oooooh Sep 01 02:02:30 Good stuff? Sep 01 02:02:33 mbetter, eh, not really a downside unless someone is going to ninja a usb cable into your pre. Sep 01 02:02:37 and Preware 2.0 too Sep 01 02:02:41 grabbed the on screen kbd yesterday.. Sep 01 02:02:45 2.0 thats a jump Sep 01 02:02:47 nice going so far Sep 01 02:02:55 and Virtual Keyboard 5.6 Sep 01 02:02:58 and Terminal 8.9 Sep 01 02:03:02 Hmm Sep 01 02:03:08 I think you're making stuff up now Sep 01 02:03:13 just letting you know it is definitely appreciated.. Sep 01 02:03:18 Eguy is playing with you ... Sep 01 02:03:24 Damn Sep 01 02:03:28 zsoc: true, but with my pre always phoning my location everywhere, the ninjas will have no problem finding me Sep 01 02:03:29 rwhitby is playing with you Sep 01 02:03:37 mbetter, :) Sep 01 02:03:45 I was gonna say I get WebOS updates on twitter and I'm sure you would have posted :P Sep 01 02:04:20 BTW Rod I listened the the Palmcast episode 68 today Sep 01 02:04:23 You're famous! Sep 01 02:05:10 would have been better if I didn't have a bad cough at the time. just finished winter here. Sep 01 02:05:13 k4p741nkrunch, Oh god, I knew I shouldn't have turned it off. Actually, I'm glad I did lol. Sep 01 02:05:37 rwhitby: and you don't even get snow :( Sep 01 02:05:43 hey, so, newb question probably, but... I just got a Pre from Palm, and I need to use it wifi-only. When I try to make a profile, it complains that it can't make the profile because I'm not connected to my wireless service provider Sep 01 02:06:18 is there a way to force Wifi to be used for this process? Sep 01 02:06:39 Finally got my IRC working okay lol Sep 01 02:06:48 funkatron: outside of the US? Sep 01 02:06:49 funkatron: bypass activation page on wiki Sep 01 02:06:55 Templarian: nope, I'm in the US Sep 01 02:07:01 woah woah woah woah.... the Pre is made by Palm? Sep 01 02:07:06 possibly bad reception Sep 01 02:07:08 You still sounded like you could take Jude Laws place :P Sep 01 02:07:18 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Bypassing_Activation Sep 01 02:07:31 Eguy are you being sarcastic? Sep 01 02:07:45 Of course ;) Sep 01 02:07:48 that's kind of what I was thinking would be the solution, but that confirms it. thanks Sep 01 02:07:50 funkatron: my phone did the same thing when i got it I had to restart and it worked. Sep 01 02:07:51 And zsoc don't turn anything off (actually I have no clue what you're referring to) Sep 01 02:07:53 Haha okay, I was like are you serious? LOL Sep 01 02:08:07 Eguy: Palm sent me the Pre, I mean. Sep 01 02:08:17 I know I know Sep 01 02:08:22 I wasn't a big fan of Palm before this device, they really put together a great OS Sep 01 02:08:32 it was bubble-wrapped! Sep 01 02:08:32 Splmonster, join the club Sep 01 02:08:41 Why would you bypass activation? I was thinking about a sick google voice setup but you'd still need a radio signal (or consistent wifi) to make it useful Sep 01 02:08:43 Did you pop the bubbles? haha Sep 01 02:08:45 Well you had to experience uh the other options on phones when PalmOS first made its way to it ;) Sep 01 02:09:01 For example, Windows Mobile during the days of Palm OS3 and 4 heh... well Sep 01 02:09:09 Templarian: lemme try to do that. the reception seems crappy. surprising, we're in a fairly populated area Sep 01 02:09:09 You see why Palm did so well then :) Sep 01 02:09:10 funkatron, congrats on the pre Sep 01 02:09:17 k4p741nkrunch, you keep your tmobile android phone in your other pocket, with a bridge, to provide your pre with wifi ;) Sep 01 02:09:19 k4p741nkrunch: the bypass is for people outside the US doing work. Sep 01 02:09:20 Splmonster, no but my son did Sep 01 02:09:34 hahaha pop the bubbles Sep 01 02:09:36 bpadalino: thanks! At least Palm finally got me one 8D Sep 01 02:09:42 must have been weird developing on a device you never had! Sep 01 02:09:52 Ahh never thought about adhoc tethering to another phone, touche zsoc Sep 01 02:09:56 bpadalino, lots did it :) Sep 01 02:09:57 glad they were finally able to get one to you Sep 01 02:09:58 bpadalino: pretty much, yes Sep 01 02:10:04 Nice! Sep 01 02:10:10 if by "weird" you mean "sucked" Sep 01 02:10:14 indeed Sep 01 02:10:17 http://www.virtual-bubblewrap.com/bubble-wrap.swf Sep 01 02:10:18 haha adhoc tethering Sep 01 02:10:18 k4p741nkrunch, i wouldn't have either, except i literally have a friend who does that. literally. Sep 01 02:10:25 bpadalino: well, he had an emulator, eh? Sep 01 02:10:29 you could tether an iphone to it Sep 01 02:10:35 That would be swick Sep 01 02:10:36 I did. the emulator is a LOT faster. Sep 01 02:10:38 for those about to ask, the change in the lastupdated field of the Preware app is just a metadata update, not a new version. You do not need to upgrade yet. 0.8.0 is still in testing. Sep 01 02:10:42 or you could just teather it to a bungee cord Sep 01 02:10:44 destinal, sure - but speed differences are not handled well Sep 01 02:10:50 hence, "your app is slow LOLZ" Sep 01 02:10:53 yeah Sep 01 02:10:56 that way they could use skype Sep 01 02:10:57 rwhitby, i was in the middle of typing the question D: Sep 01 02:11:16 funkatron: yeah, I guess we need a slowdown driver for the emulator :) Sep 01 02:11:28 destinal, it wouldn't be a bad idea! Sep 01 02:11:43 desitnal: especially on the boot.. not realistic at all Sep 01 02:11:56 Uh.. just cut your cpu to 500mhz.. Sep 01 02:12:11 oil: multiple screenshot scroller works nicely :-) Sep 01 02:12:13 Let's try this again (no sarcasm this time) anything good cookin in the magical WebOS treehouse today? Sep 01 02:12:18 zsoc: clock frequencies != instructions per second Sep 01 02:12:19 It says I left? hmm Sep 01 02:12:31 they don't map very well across architectures Sep 01 02:12:40 destinal, I thought of that point the second I was done typing :P thank you for the accurate correction tho ^_^ Sep 01 02:12:40 k4p741nkrunch: Preware 0.8.0 is on the boil Sep 01 02:12:50 Can't wait Rod Sep 01 02:13:05 You see my sig on Precentral? Sep 01 02:13:06 Will there be descriptions of apps? Sep 01 02:13:13 That's the winner right there Sep 01 02:13:19 yap Sep 01 02:13:30 It's a winner even without it, the link path is nice. Sep 01 02:13:42 what the hell is this "S" in the corner of my boot screen? Sep 01 02:13:58 S=Sick Sep 01 02:13:58 Yeah I just prefer not to open the web browser when I don't have to Sep 01 02:13:59 haha Sep 01 02:14:15 fuck, my pre is sick Sep 01 02:14:15 2 more hrs and i'm going home Sep 01 02:14:20 funkatron: uh, S? Sep 01 02:14:22 weird Sep 01 02:14:22 S is for Secure Sep 01 02:14:27 funkatron, language please :) Sep 01 02:14:29 there was a cute little S Sep 01 02:14:30 yeah never seen an S on the boot screen before Sep 01 02:14:31 I found Aunt Minnie guys: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200545-just-nuts-linux-cannot-difficult.html Sep 01 02:14:32 I meant sick in the good way Sep 01 02:14:37 zsoc: which one? Sep 01 02:15:03 I wonder if it's the SDK rom I think I might have put on here Sep 01 02:15:05 funkatron, the kind where we don't make jests about keeping #webos-internals a family friendly environment :P Sep 01 02:15:24 but you put out your tongue. that seemed like a jest. Sep 01 02:16:01 ack they're still "root" this "root" that Sep 01 02:16:04 well poop Sep 01 02:16:07 Eguy, why did you post that, now i'm RAGING :D Sep 01 02:16:13 * oil roots his pre Sep 01 02:16:22 * zsoc roots oil's pre Sep 01 02:16:28 devmode, webos quickinstall, preware Sep 01 02:16:28 what is root? Sep 01 02:16:29 done Sep 01 02:16:34 where did the "root" terminology come from? i almost didn't buy one because i kept hearing that Sep 01 02:16:37 ginger root Sep 01 02:16:39 Eguy, like a daikon Sep 01 02:16:41 lolol Sep 01 02:16:43 Daikon is the best root, imho Sep 01 02:16:48 'mbetter: where did the "root" terminology come from? i almost didn't buy one because i kept hearing that' Sep 01 02:16:51 we should put that in the topic Sep 01 02:16:52 seriously Sep 01 02:16:54 you can read the logs of the channel if you like Sep 01 02:17:00 HEY GUYS I FOUND ROOT ---> / Sep 01 02:17:11 Root came from android and iPhone lackeys Sep 01 02:17:29 places where root was far off and roadblocks in the way Sep 01 02:17:33 When they actually had to alter the OS to get the features Sep 01 02:17:34 root was underground Sep 01 02:17:40 here, it's like, turn on dev mode, connect Sep 01 02:17:42 heh: http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?p=12975562#post12975562 Sep 01 02:17:44 (a-thank ya Rod) Sep 01 02:17:59 I like my beer with the root Sep 01 02:18:10 I think a lot of the people assuming optware and dropbear were necessities helped build some of the stigma Sep 01 02:18:14 I have a "got root" bumper sticker Sep 01 02:18:19 but you really don't need them now for a lot of stuff Sep 01 02:18:22 that is nerdy man Sep 01 02:18:36 It fits in well with my "k4p741n" vanity plate Sep 01 02:18:57 I don't have a girlfriend.. Sep 01 02:18:58 i need to figure out how to get preware working Sep 01 02:18:59 you don't have a 2600 license plate ? Sep 01 02:19:00 hahahah Sep 01 02:19:04 who would of thought Sep 01 02:19:10 k4p741nkrunch: you make the cop pulling you over and radioing your plate back to dispatch a nightmware Sep 01 02:19:12 mbetter: Whats not working? Sep 01 02:19:18 s/mwa/ma/ Sep 01 02:19:20 destinal meant: k4p741nkrunch: you make the cop pulling you over and radioing your plate back to dispatch a nightmare Sep 01 02:19:23 I am happy with the stack of 2600 magazines, I show my love Sep 01 02:19:23 splmonster_: i get a loading screen forever Sep 01 02:19:55 A quick fix I found... Uninstall both the package manager and preware. Try installing package first then preware. Fixed my issue Sep 01 02:20:04 i did that Sep 01 02:20:07 Yeah it also doesn't help that I reprinted my inspection sticker in 1337 Sep 01 02:20:08 a bunch of times Sep 01 02:20:18 Have you ever been able to get in? Sep 01 02:20:26 Splmonster_: you mean, the order the directions say to do it? Sep 01 02:20:29 And my registration is a while loop Sep 01 02:20:39 nope.. just keeps loading.. Sep 01 02:20:39 Splmonster_: all the instructions now say to install the service first, then the app separately seond. Sep 01 02:20:43 I know but some are installing both at same time and getting problems Sep 01 02:20:53 using quick install Sep 01 02:20:58 Splmonster_: yep, they are not following the instructions Sep 01 02:20:59 Aye aye aye Sep 01 02:21:04 I know... Sep 01 02:21:10 i did it the wrong way at first.. is there anything that survives an uninstall through quickinstall? Sep 01 02:21:18 mbetter" EVDO, 1XRTT or wifi? Sep 01 02:21:20 That's because people don't read the man before they install Sep 01 02:21:36 evdo and wifi Sep 01 02:21:42 i've tried it both ways Sep 01 02:22:00 You have tried both seperate to no avail? Sep 01 02:22:22 yeah. Sep 01 02:22:34 I had an issue with the Preware super update, I rebooted my phone and it worked, but if that doesn't work for you then it's the one-before-the-other issue Sep 01 02:22:35 Okay try this.. Turn off connections, enable airplane mode Sep 01 02:22:58 ok Sep 01 02:23:05 Then turn on connections again, try with just evdo first Sep 01 02:23:28 Uninstall throuigh device info software screen if you have to Sep 01 02:23:43 the turning off connections part, is that in a seperate place? Sep 01 02:23:51 do not uninstall advanced homebrew apps using the palm gui Sep 01 02:23:57 Just enable airplane mode up in the right corner Sep 01 02:24:04 Where you enable wifi Sep 01 02:24:23 Then turn airplane mode off Sep 01 02:24:29 rwhitby I figured since it didn't install correctly he could, sorry Sep 01 02:24:38 Try starting Preware on just EVDO Sep 01 02:24:51 I used Preware on 1x today Sep 01 02:25:04 I have to in my area, no evdo for sprint Sep 01 02:25:06 i turned airplane mode on, how do i just turn on evdo? Sep 01 02:25:11 turn off airplane mode? Sep 01 02:25:14 Yes Sep 01 02:25:25 Then it should go back to your normal connections to the sprint network Sep 01 02:25:57 I find if you put it on Sprint Only then do a PRL update if you get a tiny signal you can usually make it a tid better Sep 01 02:26:09 tid? Sep 01 02:26:13 smidgeon Sep 01 02:26:14 Yeah Sprint only helps a lot, especially with battery Sep 01 02:27:26 And if anyone here hasn't done the media buffer adjustment it toootally rocks Sep 01 02:28:05 the what? Sep 01 02:28:19 Get your MSL by calling Sprint and asking for it Sep 01 02:28:29 Then go to your phone app and enter ##DATA# Sep 01 02:28:51 Select multimedia from the dropdown list on the lower right and adjust media buffer to 50 from 25 Sep 01 02:29:39 You can also select the IP for the closest sprint DNS server and avoid the phone from searching so web browsing goes faster Sep 01 02:29:56 the second adjustment is reasonable, the first is just silly. Sep 01 02:30:23 Worked wonders for me, streaming media never skips and I'm in a reaaally low signal area Sep 01 02:30:41 It buffers extra when I get a signal so when I drop out it keeps playing Sep 01 02:31:18 er.. turning your media buffer down would cause it to buffer _less_... Sep 01 02:31:19 Oh I was confused at first because I read "from 50 to 25" Sep 01 02:31:27 but you said TO 50 from 25 Sep 01 02:31:31 If someone is looking for a job, please fill in the blanks in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Press_Room :-) Sep 01 02:31:31 OH Sep 01 02:31:32 no TO 50 from 25 Sep 01 02:31:34 Ha, i read the same thing. Sep 01 02:31:40 I am! Sep 01 02:32:36 What do you mean fill them in, you mean find all the references? Sep 01 02:33:29 rwhitby: want me to put in the time it was referenced at the very end of the engadget pod cast. Sep 01 02:33:40 Templarian: please Sep 01 02:33:56 There's probably a mention in a diggnation podcast Sep 01 02:34:08 k4p741nkrunch: yep, find all the articles and add them. Sep 01 02:34:09 Rod: Evan Selleck is almost finished with the article Sep 01 02:34:17 I'll go scour diggnation Sep 01 02:34:23 ah well, I give up Sep 01 02:34:36 if you guys wait a minute, there will be a mention in the Thomas Jefferson wikipedia article Sep 01 02:34:45 hmm Sep 01 02:35:03 no thanks :-) Sep 01 02:35:14 ok, it's gone already anyways Sep 01 02:36:19 You put the Pre in the Thomas Jefferson Wiki XD Sep 01 02:37:02 * oil heard it in the engadget podcast Sep 01 02:37:09 "Considering Thomas Jeffersons fear of the dark, he downloaded the flashlight app and service on his palm pre to aid in his travels whilst creating the.. light.. bulb.." Sep 01 02:37:11 * oil assumed Templarian was in their chat yelling it Sep 01 02:37:32 link to engadget podcast? Sep 01 02:37:56 Comment #1 on http://www.precentral.net/screen-virtual-keyboard-go-mere-mortals: "Sorry but this seems dumb to me. They wasted all this time creating something Palm has either already created or will create." Sep 01 02:37:59 lol Sep 01 02:38:09 Hm, that was reasonable wikipedia desicration. I'm ok with that. Sep 01 02:39:29 zsoc you are a plague to information sharing Sep 01 02:39:34 :P Sep 01 02:40:00 And wow what a party pooper Sep 01 02:40:06 k4p741nkrunch, mildly accurate. Sep 01 02:40:07 destinal: yeah, that one was classic :-) Sep 01 02:40:58 I guess he'd frown on my external keyboard research also Sep 01 02:41:18 since palm may one day make some kind of official support Sep 01 02:41:21 how dare you all not just sit around and assume palm has already created everything! Sep 01 02:41:23 Thats like knocking the Pilgrims for settling America "Seems like a dumb idea, the country would be free if you just waited it out" Sep 01 02:41:33 So there is a variable in my makefile, "(STAGING_INCDIR)", but I don't see that variable being defined.. er.. anywhere. That's bad right? Sep 01 02:41:48 does your makefile include other makefiles Sep 01 02:42:07 Even if that were the case, I don't know why it would be wasted time. Hobbyists do this stuff because they enjoy it. Sep 01 02:42:10 destinal you cracked the bluetooth keyboard support? Sep 01 02:42:16 it could be one of those variables expected on the command line or shell env Sep 01 02:42:17 k4p741nkrunch: not even Sep 01 02:42:32 egaudet, Oh god I hope not... er... no. It just includes a few directories.. all starting with "(STAGING_INCDIR)". I suppose I need to define "(STAGING_INCDIR)" eh? Sep 01 02:42:33 As in you didn't have to crack it or no you haven't Sep 01 02:42:34 :P Sep 01 02:42:35 k4p741nkrunch: I'm working on hidd plugins first which is how keyboard drivers interface with luna Sep 01 02:42:44 and lots of other stuff too Sep 01 02:42:53 I use the virtual keyboard just for kicks. Sep 01 02:43:11 once I can write a working hidd plugin, then I'll work on getting a bluetooth stack that even works with keyboards Sep 01 02:43:15 Ooh so keyboard navigation of luna? Sep 01 02:43:25 nvm read it wrong Sep 01 02:43:45 hm.. if i set (STAGING_INCDIR) to /usr/lib ... this might work Sep 01 02:43:50 That would be sick, my touchstone would become god Sep 01 02:43:53 k4p741nkrunch: no, it already happens to get you your keyboard, accelerometer, proximity sensor, ambient light sensor Sep 01 02:43:57 make STAGING_INCDIR=/usr/lib Sep 01 02:44:04 I'm kind of surprised that with all of the Pre enthusiasts on IRC, nobody is working on an IRC client. Sep 01 02:44:08 it's how luna talks to input devices Sep 01 02:44:17 tlp: you're assuming nobody is Sep 01 02:44:23 true Sep 01 02:44:25 tip you can use irssi through terminal Sep 01 02:44:27 that would be an incorrect assumption. Sep 01 02:44:33 "i never said i din't, you assume i din't" Sep 01 02:44:47 Works great Sep 01 02:44:56 destinal: oh really? I grep the logs every now and then to see if I can find anything concerning that Sep 01 02:45:14 pwned Sep 01 02:45:19 k4p741nkrunch: yes, but a native one would be better Sep 01 02:45:25 I agree Sep 01 02:45:36 I ssh in and reattach my screen session, but it takes forever to draw over EVDO Sep 01 02:45:37 I would donate 10 dollars to the person who creates that Sep 01 02:45:38 tlp: PuffTheMagic is working on figuring out a service, and once he does oil has expressed interest in the mojo app Sep 01 02:45:45 cool Sep 01 02:45:47 Ooh you put screen on the palm OK Sep 01 02:45:49 but you can always jump in and help them figure it out :) Sep 01 02:45:55 k4p741nkrunch: screen SHIPS on the palm Sep 01 02:46:02 Diiiidn't know that Sep 01 02:46:16 I was going to teach myself how to develop with the SDK by hacking together a quick AJAX IRC client, but I got busy with other things Sep 01 02:46:29 I like the idea of a service one better anyway Sep 01 02:46:31 tlp: the problem is then you need a server Sep 01 02:46:33 I didn't know screen was native Sep 01 02:46:35 exactly Sep 01 02:46:44 AJAX doesn't work to standard IRC servers of course Sep 01 02:46:54 I had this discussion in #webos a few weeks ago Sep 01 02:46:58 Ok. I just realized this source is supposed to have a configure file. BUT NO CONFIGURE FILE WAS INCLUDED. Thank you palm. Seriously. Thank you. Sep 01 02:47:10 zsoc whatcha workin on Sep 01 02:47:19 It would work okay if someone like Mibbit stepped up and partnered with a Pre developer Sep 01 02:47:23 yeah a service lets the client be self-sufficient. I know this is supposed to be webos, so I'm sorry to be a heretic :) Sep 01 02:47:28 k4p741nkrunch, punching my own face in. Seriously. why in the world would they do this. Sep 01 02:47:39 tlp, I ssh/screen from my Pre over EVDO and I've driven 120 miles and it stayed connected the whole time ;) Sep 01 02:47:40 since they've already worked out negotiations with the IRC networks to allow mass connections from the same IP address Sep 01 02:47:56 psykoz: sweet. Sep 01 02:48:03 zsoc I don't recommend the face punching, and questions can only lead to answers if the context is there Sep 01 02:48:13 guess EVDO here where I live is pretty nice though Sep 01 02:48:20 it's okayish here Sep 01 02:48:32 Pandora drops on certain parts of my bike commute Sep 01 02:48:49 k4p741nkrunch, dont worry, i'll ask more questions the second this compile fails again. Sep 01 02:49:01 I just saw US was number 28 on the golbal internet speed list. Man what I would give for consistent EVDO Sep 01 02:49:12 zsoc whatcha compiling? Sep 01 02:49:13 :P Sep 01 02:49:33 I haven't seen EVDO in a 50 mile radius around my hosue Sep 01 02:49:43 destinal: I was kind of hoping the Pre had the ability to speak IRC due to using libpurple Sep 01 02:49:47 Damn taxachussets Sep 01 02:50:13 It would be awesome to port Pidgin over Sep 01 02:50:20 not that it's a tough protocol Sep 01 02:50:54 and I have no idea how the service stuff works, so maybe it doesn't simplify anything if that were true Sep 01 02:51:16 git.webos-internals.org Sep 01 02:51:29 check that out Sep 01 02:51:36 has the source for some services in there Sep 01 02:51:40 cool Sep 01 02:52:38 custom kernel for the Pre?? Does it mean the customized kernel Palm used or has someone created a different one? Sep 01 02:52:53 Who wants to take a look at my horribly errored out compiling attempt? Sep 01 02:53:07 zsoc: compiling of? Sep 01 02:53:11 zsoc pastebin it and we can all look Sep 01 02:53:14 At your failure Sep 01 02:53:17 No commits Sep 01 02:53:18 jk Sep 01 02:53:34 zsoc, you have yet to say what you are compiling lol Sep 01 02:53:37 tlp: we were all hoping that it did too, but the complete source for the adapter service between luna and libpurple isn't there Sep 01 02:54:24 so even if we get the irc plugin loaded (probably easy) we can't talk to it Sep 01 02:54:29 right Sep 01 02:55:03 some folks here are working on reverse engineering the headers palm left out and making it build anyway Sep 01 02:55:17 I wonder why Palm left those out Sep 01 02:55:21 Oh. I see the problem. This script is ran as if it's in the same folder as gstreamer root. I guess that makes sense.. I mean it is a plugin.. but that's a big outside my environment. I guess I have no choice but to reedit all the source files to include headers to /usr/lib. That's a pain Sep 01 02:55:31 tlp: lunaservices.h Sep 01 02:56:05 the GPL doesn't require them to release that? Sep 01 02:56:09 tlp: yes Sep 01 02:56:13 tlp: it does Sep 01 02:56:43 hm Sep 01 02:56:50 I need them all to go to /usr/include/gstreamer-0.10/ actually Sep 01 02:57:09 tlp: they consider it to be part of another proprietary project though and they have been unwilling to listen to the explanations regarding the fact that the gpl requires it since it's compiled into their derivative work Sep 01 02:57:59 Well Luna is their work and the problem is the adapting from libpurple to Luna right Sep 01 02:58:15 luna = slowwww Sep 01 02:58:29 libpurple-adapter must be distributed under a GPL or compatible license because it derives from libpurple Sep 01 02:58:51 they distribute (most of it) LGPL but it doesn't build, it's missing header files to be complete Sep 01 02:59:16 whoever asked earlier, memos do get synced to the palm profile Sep 01 02:59:24 i would assume tasks do as well **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 02:59:57 2009