**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 10 02:59:57 2009 Sep 10 03:00:03 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-HOMEBREW-JAILBREAK-GUIDE-for-3rd-Party-Apps_W0QQitemZ250492900878QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item3a528a560e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Sep 10 03:00:21 rwhitby: lol Sep 10 03:00:24 That's creative Sep 10 03:00:42 Your work, I take it? :P Sep 10 03:01:20 rwhitby: Still trying to make money? :P Sep 10 03:01:33 freakout: not mine, now. Sep 10 03:01:38 s/now/no/ Sep 10 03:01:39 rwhitby meant: freakout: not mine, no. Sep 10 03:01:57 I wonder if they will send me a freebie though .. Sep 10 03:02:08 hahaha Sep 10 03:02:20 bid on it, the auction is for the pre right? Sep 10 03:02:22 ;) Sep 10 03:02:50 rwhitby: considering how much it probably cribs from the wiki... Sep 10 03:03:07 ...you could probably make a claim for royalties ;) Sep 10 03:04:05 hahaha Sep 10 03:04:19 there is some screenshot infringment going on in there Sep 10 03:04:25 oil: sue! Sep 10 03:05:07 oil, rwhitby: I recommend this guy Sep 10 03:05:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cD9x1xTSjw Sep 10 03:05:35 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-Sprint-Nextel_W0QQitemZ250496245220QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item3a52bd5de4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1182 - $125 clear for activation - is that legit? Sep 10 03:06:17 not a chance rwhitby Sep 10 03:06:34 "We got this phone on adding a family plan but do not need it. Brand new in the box clear for activation." Sep 10 03:06:37 rwhitby: if it was, you might have had a rival in the bidding :P Sep 10 03:07:01 That's a scam if I have ever seen one Sep 10 03:08:18 seller has reasonable rep... Sep 10 03:08:50 "Weird but great - many thanks Jul-11-09 01:33" Sep 10 03:08:51 lol Sep 10 03:08:59 hahahha Sep 10 03:09:49 screenshot infringement? Sep 10 03:10:33 oh Sep 10 03:10:35 down at the bottom Sep 10 03:10:36 lol Sep 10 03:10:55 my xbox friends probably get a lot of random friend requests Sep 10 03:10:55 lol Sep 10 03:11:02 "saw your name in this screenshot" Sep 10 03:11:18 rwhitby: take a look at that seller's other items Sep 10 03:11:28 A wide selection of penis bones! Sep 10 03:11:34 (no, seriously) Sep 10 03:11:37 rwhitby: what about that dude in your thread who said he had one he would sell you? Sep 10 03:11:42 lol Sep 10 03:12:10 Wiki is CC-BY-SA - so anything with text or screenshots from the wiki is also then CC-BY-SA, right? Sep 10 03:13:12 Remind me why there isn't just an ipkg for the term app, was it the post/pre scripts? Sep 10 03:14:01 * Eguy really thinks rwhitby is a donation whore espeically with the signature ;) Sep 10 03:14:15 there is an ipkg for terminal, and an ipkg for the plugin (which is arch specific) Sep 10 03:14:28 I must have missed the urls, I'll look again Sep 10 03:14:31 chrisa: the plugin needs a postinst to symlink the .so file into the right dir Sep 10 03:14:35 chrisa: they are in Preware Sep 10 03:15:01 I haven't gotten around to mucking with preware Sep 10 03:15:26 * rwhitby is failing on marketing then ... Sep 10 03:15:36 chrisa, have you tried the terminal app at least ? Sep 10 03:15:43 nope Sep 10 03:15:51 sad panda :( Sep 10 03:15:57 frown Sep 10 03:16:12 it is mighty good Sep 10 03:16:14 I don't actually need a terminal on my phone, I spend enough time screwing with os bits already Sep 10 03:16:19 lol Sep 10 03:16:58 chrisa: how about virtual keyboard? Sep 10 03:18:09 Not really necessary on pixi Sep 10 03:18:20 true Sep 10 03:18:35 Hello all Sep 10 03:18:40 chrisa, pre or pixi - which one wins Sep 10 03:18:55 Is there a favored way to get access to the file system from a javascript app? Sep 10 03:19:11 what do you want to access in the filesystem ? Sep 10 03:19:12 Are folks just running a webserver on the pre and calling server side scripts? Sep 10 03:19:53 I just want to output strings from a javascript program into a file Sep 10 03:20:02 Using Mojo.Log is messy Sep 10 03:20:06 pray is the best Sep 10 03:20:12 the whole grepping /var/log/messages is ugly Sep 10 03:20:18 oops can't say anything about that device Sep 10 03:20:49 but then again, so is running a web server just so you can call a script that appends your string to a file Sep 10 03:20:58 pray is another device ? Sep 10 03:21:12 nah :P Sep 10 03:21:49 schulman: you can always tail -f the mojo log and pipe it to grep in a terminal to single out your messages Sep 10 03:22:38 bpadalino: yeah, but then I can not do that automatically from the application Sep 10 03:22:59 bpadalino: actually, what is "Terminal" using to access linux from a javascript program? Sep 10 03:23:17 it's an NPAPI plugin written in C/C++ Sep 10 03:23:36 oh nice Sep 10 03:23:40 that is a great solution Sep 10 03:24:43 schulman: see git.webos-internals.org for our plugins and services Sep 10 03:25:04 rwhitby: ok let me take a look Sep 10 03:26:28 Does anyone know if the new update addresses the lag in answering a call? Sep 10 03:26:37 Seker: supposedly it does. Sep 10 03:27:30 bpadalino: I think a fun solution would be to just call echo >> filename using the termplugin Sep 10 03:27:53 EvanDotPro: Where'd you learn this? Not questioning you personally, I just want to know before I return this phone. Sep 10 03:28:11 that could work .. no one has run the terminal plugin headless before .. Sep 10 03:28:37 I'll ride it out if the update handles it. Sep 10 03:29:07 Seker: the threads on precentral... multiple people have reported less lag, but i still say "supposedly" due to the placebo effect. Sep 10 03:29:08 bpadalino: I believe the security provisions in termplugin prevent that, since it would be a root escalation vulnerability if a random webOS application could do that. Sep 10 03:29:41 rwhitby: so it can't be run headless ? Sep 10 03:29:44 EvanDotPro: I hope you're right. I'm getting very frustrated calling people back. Sep 10 03:29:57 bpadalino: check with destinal_ - I'm not fully up on it. Sep 10 03:30:01 gotcha Sep 10 03:30:03 rwhitby: so how does it authenticate that the terminal application is talking to it? Sep 10 03:30:10 bpadalino: it only accepts key event input from luna directly Sep 10 03:30:11 Seker: yeah, i've had the same issues... you're not alone. Sep 10 03:30:20 destinal_: ah neat Sep 10 03:30:27 Well, that'll be step 1 to making me enjoy it more. Sep 10 03:30:32 anyone had dropbear just bork the password no matter if you know it's correct? Sep 10 03:30:39 so only physical button pushes get pushed out to the terminal Sep 10 03:30:40 nice Sep 10 03:30:59 destinal_: sexy Sep 10 03:31:36 right, we had login prompts for a while before we got that going just to ensure random mojo apps couldn't stuff keys to a shell Sep 10 03:31:38 ok, new solution, write a ssh client in javascript Sep 10 03:31:40 dynamic theme selection :D Sep 10 03:31:51 :) Sep 10 03:32:44 does anyone think there is room for a browser plugin that grants you user level access to the system Sep 10 03:33:00 not exactly sure what user that would be if there is no user account set up Sep 10 03:33:45 i had thought about a service which allows JS apps to open sockets ... since that seems to be a big limitation right now .. Sep 10 03:33:58 oh man, you can not do network IO either Sep 10 03:34:01 hmmm Sep 10 03:34:25 but writing a socketservice wouldn't be too bad, right ? Sep 10 03:34:28 destinal_: are we sure the keypresses can't be falsely triggered via javascript somehow? i would really hate to see that plugin abused. Sep 10 03:34:32 I was happy about the javascript system, but being a systems guy, this makes my life painful Sep 10 03:35:10 EvanDotPro: I think we're fairly sure Sep 10 03:35:20 bpadalino: open, close, send, recv Sep 10 03:35:22 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/202285-palm-wants-you-keep-using-its-awful-music-player.html BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Sep 10 03:35:29 Very big booo Sep 10 03:35:36 destinal_: awesome.. maybe if i have some spare time i'll poke at it just to make sure. Sep 10 03:35:44 difficult part being a service which keeps track of open sockets for each app .. and can't allow other apps to hijack sockets Sep 10 03:35:44 bpadalino: if you create a socket plugin, you'll be my hero. Sep 10 03:36:29 destinal_: from the plugin perspective, can the javascript call methods inside the plugin - or do you just get the keypresses and those types of events ? Sep 10 03:36:43 meh sockets are only cool if you can handle binary data. :) Sep 10 03:37:08 schulman: it's best to step back Sep 10 03:37:09 why wouldn't you be able to handle binary data ? Sep 10 03:37:19 think about this from an architectural design perspective Sep 10 03:37:27 bpadalino: javascript strings don't support \x00 Sep 10 03:37:47 base64 encoded binary data ? Sep 10 03:37:51 DraX: you can pass one byte at a time :) Sep 10 03:38:00 Palm designed this whole services framework to abstract away the heavy lifting of binary protocols and sockets etc Sep 10 03:38:17 Like they didn't try to write a whole instant messaging program in javascript Sep 10 03:38:17 you can base64 encode it, but the performance hit is pretty nasty Sep 10 03:38:39 right Sep 10 03:38:41 they wrote a service to speak the protocol and talk to a mojo app Sep 10 03:38:55 yes Sep 10 03:39:03 so if you want to do advanced things Sep 10 03:39:03 and writing a struct module ontop of base64 encoded binary sounds nightmarish Sep 10 03:39:13 write a service to do the _specific_ function you want Sep 10 03:39:18 then a plugin to call that service Sep 10 03:39:24 err a mojo app to call that service Sep 10 03:39:31 right Sep 10 03:39:34 (no sleep - brain no work) Sep 10 03:39:37 indeed Sep 10 03:39:37 you mean a service on dbus? Sep 10 03:39:40 sorry Sep 10 03:39:43 a service that speaks dbus? Sep 10 03:39:49 drax, why would you need the struct on top of it ? Sep 10 03:40:03 schulman: a system service, yeah -- they use lunaservices api which is based on dbus Sep 10 03:40:08 bpadalino: so you can actually parse a binary protocol Sep 10 03:40:37 destinal_: so if I want to write to a file I need to write a luna script that writes to a file Sep 10 03:40:45 destinal_: and register it somehow to their service scheme Sep 10 03:40:49 you can't unpack base64 into int32's ? Sep 10 03:41:03 filemgr service Sep 10 03:41:05 Is preware only hosted on that forum thread? Sep 10 03:41:09 you could, and then you'd need to unpack those into the actual struct mapping Sep 10 03:41:14 and also deal with alignment issues Sep 10 03:41:31 alignment issue is easy - everything is an int32 Sep 10 03:41:35 preware is only hosted in the feed Sep 10 03:41:49 bpadalino: int32 into string sounds like fun :P Sep 10 03:41:55 bpadalino: even chars? Sep 10 03:42:17 chrisa: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware Sep 10 03:42:19 schulman: sure - why not ? pad with whitespace Sep 10 03:42:37 schulman: still, take a step back Sep 10 03:42:39 4 - 1 storage Sep 10 03:42:44 schulman: why do you want to write to a file? Sep 10 03:42:52 don't put the means before the ends Sep 10 03:43:03 it takes 4 bytes to store 1 Sep 10 03:43:09 don't be silly Sep 10 03:43:23 rather than, I want to write to a file for X, just figure out what X is Sep 10 03:43:23 the outlier is when you have a string that mod 4 > 0 Sep 10 03:43:28 what does the app need to do? Sep 10 03:43:44 as in functionality to the user and to the network stack, not backend stuff Sep 10 03:43:45 append whitespace and only accept that no whitespace should be at the end of a string Sep 10 03:44:04 i dunno - i'm no javascript expert .. it doesn't sound too terrible to me Sep 10 03:44:38 oil: I'm in contact with kennyidaho about his spare Pre ... Sep 10 03:44:40 bpadalino: but why do you actually want this? Sep 10 03:44:55 destinal_: doing binary protocols over sockets i guess ? Sep 10 03:45:06 i just wanted to supply a raw socket to JS .. Sep 10 03:45:10 bpadalino: if you're doing binary protocols in javascript you're going the wrong direction Sep 10 03:45:21 do a service Sep 10 03:45:24 it wasn't my idea - it was drax's! Sep 10 03:45:37 :D Sep 10 03:45:49 i just thought it would be interesting to supply a socket to JS so it could open/close/read/write/etc .. Sep 10 03:46:02 he informs me it can't handle binary data since null isn't supported Sep 10 03:46:08 interesting as a curiosity but pointless and wasteful in any kind of real world app Sep 10 03:46:09 destinal_: I am writing some research code that is going to log lots of radio debug data in file names based on when I run the program Sep 10 03:46:11 etc, etc - it all gets escalated Sep 10 03:46:29 so it is easy for me to start and stop logging Sep 10 03:46:45 precentral takes a while for the first update Sep 10 03:46:47 destinal_: the binary protocol, or providing a socket to js ? Sep 10 03:47:01 the Mojo.Log solution is a pain because I would have to manually run the grepping from /var/log/messages Sep 10 03:47:31 schulman: you can write to stdout and run luna in the foreground Sep 10 03:47:33 unless I write some script that runs in the background and waits for some Mojo.Log message that indicates I am starting the app and writes everything from then on to a file Sep 10 03:47:55 schulman: we do that for debugging for termplugin Sep 10 03:48:28 destinal_: sorry write what to stdout? Sep 10 03:48:41 rwhitby: how long until I give up on this precentral repo update? Sep 10 03:49:23 chrisa: 5-10 seconds Sep 10 03:49:36 (less than that for me on the emulator - it's like 1 second) Sep 10 03:49:42 but that's what oil reports Sep 10 03:50:12 rwhitby: you can get javascript writing to stdout in luna as well, right? either alert() or Mojo.Log or something? Sep 10 03:51:03 chrisa: if it got past Updating into Loading, then it means the service is running fine - in Loading it's just a transfer of a big chunk of text from a static file in /var/usr/lib/ipkg/lists across dbus to the javascript. Sep 10 03:51:13 schulman: if you ssh to the pre, and "initctl stop LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgr" it will stop Luna and start it again in the foreground instead of background Sep 10 03:51:33 and certain log messages normally only written to a logfile will appear on your console Sep 10 03:51:33 I see, so you will see all messages that go to stdout Sep 10 03:51:37 right Sep 10 03:51:37 right Sep 10 03:52:12 again, the appears to be something missing here Sep 10 03:52:26 There, I have the terminal installed now Sep 10 03:52:28 I hope you're happy Sep 10 03:52:31 lol Sep 10 03:52:38 chrisa: luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/rawlist '{"feed":"precentral"}' is what it is calling at that point. Sep 10 03:52:49 chrisa: :-D Sep 10 03:53:07 I guess the answer is to just write lunaservices Sep 10 03:53:11 chrisa: I'm happer that you have Preware working on a Pixi ;-) Sep 10 03:53:12 if javascript does not do what you need Sep 10 03:53:21 sorry, this is on my pre Sep 10 03:53:23 someone has a Pixi? Sep 10 03:53:26 doh! Sep 10 03:53:36 I could load it on pixie if it makes your day that much Sep 10 03:54:01 schulman: chrisa makes pix(i|ie) live Sep 10 03:54:18 chrisa: it would, yes :-) I can't see any reason why it's won't work. Sep 10 03:54:30 preware should track dependencies. internalz not pulling down filemgr is silly Sep 10 03:54:40 * oil is working on it Sep 10 03:54:42 chrisa: yeah, we're working on that. Sep 10 03:54:51 it wasn't even possible till what, yesterday? Sep 10 03:54:57 "error installing" Sep 10 03:54:58 Cryptic Sep 10 03:55:01 the ipkg-service i am pretty sure just crashed again with the same OOM problem i saw beforehand Sep 10 03:55:07 app-menu > ipkglog Sep 10 03:55:24 I see Sep 10 03:55:25 chrisa: we need to work out how to restart java-serviceboot so that the postinst works for the service, and then the app gets installed afterwards. like changing the tyres on a moving car. Sep 10 03:55:45 oil: can we make ipkglog pop up automatically on an error? Sep 10 03:55:51 probably Sep 10 03:55:56 hmm, is filemgr a valid package? Sep 10 03:56:48 chrisa: it's a service, with a postinst Sep 10 03:56:50 Might I add, that in the installed packages list it would make sense for a swipe to the right to delete a package? Sep 10 03:56:58 Consistency with the rest of the os Sep 10 03:57:15 chrisa: indeed. would you expect confirmation or not? Sep 10 03:57:37 probably just the same delete / cancel you see everywhere else Sep 10 03:57:38 you can swipe right and have a delete button, right? I think that's a common way in webos? Sep 10 03:57:44 heh, "This is bad": 2009-09-10T03:50:46.590116Z [35903] castle user.err LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS} com.palm.app.email: Error: This Is Bad: notifications cannot maintain registerForNotifications subscription. I'll retry later. #, file:///usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.email/index.html:0 Sep 10 03:57:50 (i.e. "do you really want to delete that app that has your preferences saved in a db which you will loose") Sep 10 03:57:57 yeah we could do swipe to delete Sep 10 03:58:33 rwhitby: that's a little wordy. I'd expect just swipe, red delete button, press it, done Sep 10 03:58:42 ^ Sep 10 03:58:47 chrisa: we've got the design on how to handle dependencies properly - will be implemented before 1.0.0 Sep 10 03:58:51 destinal_: agreed Sep 10 03:59:10 destinal_: just giving the reason why confirm might be good Sep 10 03:59:10 I should build an irssi ipkg Sep 10 03:59:18 there is a weird thing where swiping and not clicking and swiping another Sep 10 03:59:22 actually deletes the first Sep 10 03:59:27 chrisa: let me introduce you to optware ... Sep 10 03:59:50 chrisa: 1300+ linux command line app, already compiled for the Pre Sep 10 04:00:10 I know of it, I'd rather just build something myself since I have the tools Sep 10 04:00:16 rather than mucking with a second db Sep 10 04:00:44 chrisa: we're looking at how to integrate optware better into the same db Sep 10 04:00:46 Night everyone. Sep 10 04:01:13 chrisa: we can put a git repo up on git.webos-internals.org for you if you like ;-) just send me an ssh key .... Sep 10 04:01:51 * rwhitby bbiab Sep 10 04:02:50 * destinal_ looks forward to NaNplayer going up on precentral sometime soon Sep 10 04:02:59 rwhitby: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/g6mwrjmewnea0hz9u5vlq - terminal doesn't open up properly for some reason Sep 10 04:03:32 bpadalino: if those methods don't exist, the plugin must not be instantiating Sep 10 04:03:39 interesting Sep 10 04:03:52 check to make sure it's in /usr/lib/BrowserPlugins Sep 10 04:04:18 it's gone! Sep 10 04:04:24 VERY interesting! Sep 10 04:05:08 we should probably do a verbose check for instantiation and fail gracefully in Terminal Sep 10 04:05:17 it still shows up as being an installed ipkg Sep 10 04:05:21 ok I give up Sep 10 04:05:30 uninstalling sdk , re booting and re-installing Sep 10 04:05:34 damned thing. Sep 10 04:05:39 emulator is completely hosed. Sep 10 04:05:40 bpadalino: I had to install the plugin first, then terminal Sep 10 04:05:48 otherwise I had the same problem Sep 10 04:05:54 schulman: my terminal was working fine Sep 10 04:05:59 and had been for a very long time Sep 10 04:06:02 oh, odd Sep 10 04:06:06 indeed Sep 10 04:06:14 app funs fine on my pre, straight mojo, nothing add, and will not launch on emulator. :-( Sep 10 04:08:01 Rick_home: are they using the same frameworks version? Sep 10 04:08:24 yes 1.1 sdk 62 Sep 10 04:08:28 wow that was amazingly weird Sep 10 04:08:46 now i am kind of paranoid .. how did a file in /var get deleted .. Sep 10 04:08:49 it was working, then without updating ANYTHING the emulator just quit working properly Sep 10 04:08:59 Rick_home: you don't have to reinstall sdk to get a new emulator btw Sep 10 04:08:59 very annoying. Sep 10 04:09:05 I don't. Sep 10 04:09:08 Rick_home: just palm-install --reset Sep 10 04:09:09 well, too late now. Sep 10 04:09:14 crap Sep 10 04:09:15 err palm-emulator --reset Sep 10 04:09:22 well, too late now. Sep 10 04:10:40 Rick_home: if you want to send me an example I'll mess with it on pre and emulator Sep 10 04:11:03 that sounds both interesting and bizarre Sep 10 04:11:18 k Sep 10 04:11:36 predestinal? Sep 10 04:12:35 $70 unlimited everything for sprint Sep 10 04:12:45 man that's hella cheap Sep 10 04:13:38 that sounds like the price I got for 450mins + unlim data,sms Sep 10 04:15:16 Rick_home: that one works, yeah Sep 10 04:16:46 destinal_, That's supposedly going to be Sprint's announcement tomorrow Sep 10 04:17:14 psykoz: if so... man, I joined too early Sep 10 04:17:22 oh Sep 10 04:17:28 sprint's awesome about changing your plan Sep 10 04:17:43 Contract just covers you maintain service with them Sep 10 04:17:50 ah cool Sep 10 04:18:07 I've numerous times had to change things Sep 10 04:18:46 sprints announcment has been made already Sep 10 04:18:57 which one ? Sep 10 04:19:16 the pricing plan psykoz was referring to earlier Sep 10 04:19:42 they have not officially announced it yet Sep 10 04:20:18 destinal_: I just discovered that I had two IPK's and several PSD's in my src folder. :-( Sep 10 04:20:20 ah, unlimited mobile to mobile voice right, not to PSTN? Sep 10 04:20:24 the IPK exceeded 4 meg Sep 10 04:20:34 Rick_home: aha Sep 10 04:20:37 I have now cleaned my src folder and will see if that fixes the problem.... Sep 10 04:20:56 and I uninstalled the sdk for no reason. :-( Sep 10 04:21:16 Peeved. I'm peeved. Sep 10 04:21:22 Well I don't know how they would confirm it mobile to mobile, unless they're keeping up with NANPA + ported number lists, "mobile to mobile" means mobile to any carrier Sep 10 04:21:40 So I just can't see how they'll differentiate between someone being an AT&T land line user vs an AT&T Cell phone user Sep 10 04:22:00 It sounds more like bad writing than anything to say "mobile to mobile" they probably meant "Anytime Minutes" Sep 10 04:22:00 whats good Sep 10 04:22:01 probably they have some advanced peering stuff which can tell Sep 10 04:22:03 rwhitby ltns Sep 10 04:22:11 but we'll see Sep 10 04:22:56 ok, who here can take an ESN and check it's status? Sep 10 04:23:10 oc80z: g'day Sep 10 04:23:22 rwhitby Sep 10 04:23:24 i can tomorrow Sep 10 04:23:33 destinal_: i have an api that can take any US number and tell you line type, carrier, etc... and it's up to date with nanpa too. :) Sep 10 04:23:43 er Sep 10 04:23:52 i have a scanner Sep 10 04:23:54 right here. Sep 10 04:24:03 well, when i say up to date... within a few hours-ish. Sep 10 04:24:07 if u need it scanned for #'s Sep 10 04:24:08 or w/e Sep 10 04:24:14 EvanDotPro: where? Sep 10 04:24:15 (alpha characters) Sep 10 04:25:01 evening folks Sep 10 04:25:02 HattCzech: see PM Sep 10 04:25:05 morning for folk like rwhitby Sep 10 04:25:13 g'day AnOutsider - afternoon here. Sep 10 04:25:21 same thing ;) Sep 10 04:25:47 rwhitby: shame about lack of wifi on pixi, it looks like an awesome device other than that Sep 10 04:26:00 and of course a lot of people don't need that Sep 10 04:26:01 and girly Sep 10 04:26:13 I couldnt imagine no wifi *shudder* Sep 10 04:26:18 too often reception sucks in buildings Sep 10 04:26:23 right, anyone here probably cares a lot about it Sep 10 04:26:44 but people just switching to smartphones, maybe Sep 10 04:26:54 ya Sep 10 04:27:32 can't wait to see the first wifi dongle soldering hack for pixi ;) Sep 10 04:27:42 won't be me, I'm happy with pre Sep 10 04:28:24 oh right, I said I'd put preware on mine Sep 10 04:29:02 chrisa: does pixi have a usb otg chipset? Sep 10 04:29:05 how about an airpcap usb to micro usb hack for the pre...anyone have an airpcap besides me? Sep 10 04:29:12 not that I've done anything more than getting power out of my pre's otg Sep 10 04:29:15 wifi via usb -- but pixi is a usb SLAVE device, so it's going to be non-trivial Sep 10 04:29:51 Rick_home: there's usb internal on these devices, so just depends on if there are any pads to steal Sep 10 04:30:00 ahhhh Sep 10 04:30:04 well Sep 10 04:30:19 soldering at that scale, even with a binocular microscope is not for the timid. Sep 10 04:30:42 also if usb otg chipset's used, you could use an external dongle if you want Sep 10 04:31:08 but again, I haven't gotten my pre to even enumerate otg devices yet though if configured properly it will at least power them Sep 10 04:31:13 destinal_: I did palmemulator --reset and it didn't reset the emulator Sep 10 04:31:22 I got the exact same stuff as before. Sep 10 04:31:31 how do I get a FRESH emulator Sep 10 04:32:14 Rick_home: if I run palm-emulator --reset the first thing to pop up is "installing virtual machine" Sep 10 04:32:26 and it is running on pixie Sep 10 04:32:29 it definitely starts from scratch Sep 10 04:32:45 chrisa: now, if you can get us a youtube of Preware running on the pixie ... ;-) Sep 10 04:32:47 chrisa: preware or terminal? I imagine terminal will be unhappy at pixi height Sep 10 04:32:51 PalmSDK Variable not set Sep 10 04:33:19 foresight fail on my part Sep 10 04:33:28 Palm needs to hurry up with some 1.2 Sep 10 04:33:55 although running my emulator at pixi height I need to *scroll* the dialer! Sep 10 04:33:55 :P Sep 10 04:34:05 destinal_: I asked chrisa to check Preware, so I expect that. Sep 10 04:34:09 maybe part of why 1.2 is being delayed Sep 10 04:35:01 Rick_home: when I updated the emulator on my mac, I used the palm script to uninstall, then reinstalled. Sep 10 04:35:54 Rick_home: not set? really odd Sep 10 04:36:14 rwhitby: it's very odd Sep 10 04:36:19 my computer decided to flake out Sep 10 04:37:27 chrisa: does Preware layout work fine on Pixie? Sep 10 04:38:49 the main page scrolls Sep 10 04:38:59 im sure it does that is Sep 10 04:39:40 the main page does scroll Sep 10 04:39:52 I'm running a pixie-height emu at the moment :) Sep 10 04:42:02 REBOOTING Be back in a big Sep 10 04:42:38 actually terminal looks fine on pixi-height emu, yay Sep 10 04:42:47 * destinal_ is surprised Sep 10 04:43:34 Hrmm, I've occasionally opened terminal up while notifications are stacked halfway up my screen and it scaled okay :) Sep 10 04:43:47 hey guys Sep 10 04:43:54 oil: shall we do a new release for chrisa on Pixi so it doesn't scroll ? Sep 10 04:44:27 ok i just had to come and vent before i went to bed Sep 10 04:44:35 rwhitby: the "new"/"alternate" main screen dont scroll :D Sep 10 04:44:38 palm dev wiki SUCKS Sep 10 04:44:41 just make that default Sep 10 04:44:50 atlanta: that one is depricated Sep 10 04:44:57 errr Sep 10 04:44:57 i used the exact code for submenus and it doesnt even register right Sep 10 04:45:00 palm or webos? Sep 10 04:45:02 rwhitby: hmm, actually it doesn't scroll now Sep 10 04:45:13 PuffTheMagic: what should i use for best refrence Sep 10 04:45:14 not sure why it did earlier Sep 10 04:45:36 ah I think because I had a tiny notification icon up Sep 10 04:45:36 PuffTheMagic: why does palm even have code on there that doesn't work Sep 10 04:45:37 atlanta: i thought you were talking about the old webos-internals wiki Sep 10 04:45:42 oh no no Sep 10 04:45:46 the palm site Sep 10 04:45:47 atlanta: just look at the source Sep 10 04:45:51 thats the best reference Sep 10 04:45:58 upgrading to snow leopard. wish me luck and see you on the other side Sep 10 04:46:02 the grame work files Sep 10 04:46:08 jauderho: good luck Sep 10 04:46:10 rwhitby: it's fine, fits exactly perfect Sep 10 04:46:10 s/grame/frame/ Sep 10 04:46:11 PuffTheMagic meant: the frame work files Sep 10 04:46:16 PuffTheMagic: yea thats what i was doing and it doing some crazy javascript refrence i gotta just trace stuff back Sep 10 04:46:30 rwhitby: as long as you have no notification icons on the bottom of your screen to draw the larger black box around the screen Sep 10 04:46:31 oh ok good idea Sep 10 04:46:35 framework files Sep 10 04:46:39 ill check those out thanks PuffTheMagic Sep 10 04:47:46 how much battery life do i need for webos dr to work Sep 10 04:47:46 * destinal_ wonders if he can have a freakishly large screen on his emu.. (height anyway) Sep 10 04:47:59 Jack87: it pulls power via the usb connection Sep 10 04:48:16 and I don't think it starts until the battery has 25% or so anyway Sep 10 04:48:20 thanks chrisa... it just wanted to continue to charge a bit before it starts Sep 10 04:48:28 ok so 25% it is Sep 10 04:48:30 Jack87: it has a built in check for that Sep 10 04:48:32 Jack87: geist mentioned its about 25-30 Sep 10 04:48:42 Jack87: you can boot into recovery mode Sep 10 04:48:48 and run the charging command Sep 10 04:48:53 and see the actual percentage Sep 10 04:49:06 remind me how puff i totally forgot i did it when first had the pre Sep 10 04:49:26 u know how to get into recovery/bootie mode right? Sep 10 04:49:34 its loading the dr so i am good Sep 10 04:49:42 no thats what i am asking you to remind me.. i totally forgot Sep 10 04:49:47 the dr will charge it Sep 10 04:49:50 boot with volume butt Sep 10 04:49:55 yeah Sep 10 04:50:08 then in novacom you can do 'charging enable 500ma' Sep 10 04:50:12 or something like that Sep 10 04:50:30 There really is no reason to Sep 10 04:50:43 nice Sep 10 04:50:43 well i am good now :) Sep 10 04:50:45 The tool will do it if necessary, and you shouldn't be running commands in bootie when you don't know the parameters / what they do Sep 10 04:50:57 * destinal_ has a freakishly long screen screen now in emulator Sep 10 04:51:01 320x800 Sep 10 04:51:06 the thing is when you start doctor and it is charging your pre... andn you dont want it to because you havena spare battery how do you stop it.. haha Sep 10 04:51:21 works great except for palm's vbox x,y detection addon Sep 10 04:51:22 Charging is a safe time to pull the plug / swap the battery Sep 10 04:51:36 thanks chriss Sep 10 04:51:42 The tool doesn't actually write anything to disk until after the ramdisk comes up completely Sep 10 04:52:36 destinal_: latest sysfsbatteryservice pushed with working subscription code Sep 10 04:52:44 im going to give the leaked 1.2 a test run... think it be ok chris? Sep 10 04:52:50 PuffTheMagic: nice job Sep 10 04:53:11 destinal_: now i can do upsatrt service :D Sep 10 04:53:13 that will be cool Sep 10 04:53:14 I don't endorse incomplete / leaked images at all Sep 10 04:53:22 rwhitby: where does preware log to? Sep 10 04:53:25 destinal_: i have to find docs for old upstart Sep 10 04:53:31 cause 0.3.x aint on their site Sep 10 04:53:39 and i need to know what events i can emeit Sep 10 04:53:40 emit Sep 10 04:54:02 the preware app list is really nice with a twice-pixie-height screen :) Sep 10 04:54:21 lol Sep 10 04:54:59 I guess this bodes well for playing with the x86 image on a pc. too bad the width appears to be hard coded Sep 10 04:55:10 well i guess endorsing it is one thing. but a test run to get a feel for and learn from is a bit different. Sep 10 04:55:19 i tried waiting i really did lol Sep 10 04:56:19 i want to see if i can pick and choose and mix and match features from other versions Sep 10 04:57:07 there's a bug in how the vbox input plugin gets x,y coordinates Sep 10 04:57:29 it assumes a 320x480 screen size Sep 10 04:58:03 so actual bottom is considered to always be 480 from top, which is not necessarily true at all Sep 10 04:58:06 such as adding back... Pinch to expand emails Sep 10 04:58:24 any idea why they took it out chris? and does it still exist in the pixi? Sep 10 04:59:00 Jack87: its the same OS, not like they'll be changing features for one device vs another Sep 10 04:59:31 you never know destinal Sep 10 04:59:45 I do Sep 10 05:00:18 hehe figured you were the right person to ask Sep 10 05:00:20 Jack87: occam's razor Sep 10 05:00:35 We're not going to gimp one device so people buy a different one Sep 10 05:00:44 lol Sep 10 05:00:46 plus it's a maintainability nightmare Sep 10 05:01:11 dont companies do that all the time? Sep 10 05:01:28 gimp something to get you to buy the more expensive one? Sep 10 05:01:36 lol Sep 10 05:01:38 well only reason i would question it is because sprints list of features for pre 1.2 did not include facebook app Sep 10 05:01:45 and pixi has it in its os Sep 10 05:01:56 what makes you think the pixi launches with 1.2? Sep 10 05:01:58 Jack87: 1.2 = 1.2 Sep 10 05:01:59 Ask yourself when pixie is being released Sep 10 05:02:02 lol Sep 10 05:02:03 but than again sprint 1.2 was supposed to be released yesterday so its not best to rely on it Sep 10 05:02:06 2.0 as far as we know Sep 10 05:02:16 well Sep 10 05:02:29 as far as everyone in here but chris knows xD Sep 10 05:02:31 thats why i ask Sep 10 05:02:32 haha Sep 10 05:02:39 i dont know Sep 10 05:02:50 for all i know at pixi launch it will have email pinch? Sep 10 05:03:02 email pinch is the thing in the list>? Sep 10 05:03:26 no... Sep 10 05:03:39 i dont get all the pixi fuss... its smaller an dhas no wifi Sep 10 05:03:42 but they did remove it in 1.2.. atleast for the unfinished 1.2 Sep 10 05:03:50 99 Sep 10 05:03:56 what is the email pinch? Sep 10 05:03:57 ya but girls will like it.. i think its a pertty cool device Sep 10 05:04:10 I think Jack means being able to pinch to expand emails in preview Sep 10 05:04:11 go into your email oil and expand pinch Sep 10 05:04:13 geist: 9-9-9 Sep 10 05:04:20 thats the most retarded feature ever Sep 10 05:04:23 im glad they dropped it Sep 10 05:04:23 99 Sep 10 05:04:28 and yes, I'm glad they dropped it too Sep 10 05:04:34 haha i never use it but its not th point Sep 10 05:04:36 destinal_: oh yeah, still 2 more hours left in 9/9/9 Sep 10 05:04:39 it snot? Sep 10 05:04:40 geeeeeesh there are a lot of angry adolescents on the P|C forums today Sep 10 05:04:44 they shouldnt remove useless features? Sep 10 05:04:56 i want to see if i can mod my own web os by picking and choosing features from other versions Sep 10 05:05:07 lol Sep 10 05:05:17 pimp your webos Sep 10 05:05:27 its already got spinners Sep 10 05:05:30 we put in more pinch so you can pinch your email when you email Sep 10 05:05:32 they removed usful new card feature for browser links.. luckily its back in 1.2 Sep 10 05:05:44 geist: lol Sep 10 05:05:46 it was probably an accident Sep 10 05:05:57 geist has the idea Sep 10 05:05:59 !:) Sep 10 05:06:02 sup dawg Sep 10 05:07:37 geist: 400px height feels too short now.. just subconsciously wrong since I'm used to 480. luna on a 320x800px screen is fun though Sep 10 05:07:53 lol Sep 10 05:08:05 yeah, but it's a testament to web based layout Sep 10 05:08:12 it's pretty easy to deal with multiple screen sizes Sep 10 05:08:15 geist Sep 10 05:08:16 yeah it works great Sep 10 05:08:32 so when logging into my phone after dr recoveryi put in password wrong twice Sep 10 05:08:36 it asked my secret question Sep 10 05:08:50 but than i remembered my password and it wouldnt let me go back to enter it made me reset it Sep 10 05:08:58 lol Sep 10 05:09:04 thats what you get for forgetting Sep 10 05:09:10 i know huh Sep 10 05:09:10 you have to create a new one to forget Sep 10 05:09:10 chrisa: re: preware logging - the ipkg stdout and stderr come across dbus (dbus-util --capture to see them) and the ipkg log menu item shows them Sep 10 05:09:20 it should let me use back gesture i would think Sep 10 05:09:48 rwhitby: really? that's a change, right? Sep 10 05:09:56 maybe thats something to consider chris/geist? Sep 10 05:10:14 i'll get right on it Sep 10 05:10:36 Jack87: geist and chris are kernel guys. don't bother them with your high level javascript-implemented mumbo jumbo Sep 10 05:10:40 :P Sep 10 05:10:52 lol Sep 10 05:10:59 destinal_: it's done that since ipkgservice 0.8.0 I think Sep 10 05:12:06 Jack87: that's like complaining to Linus torvalds about your Ubuntu install Sep 10 05:12:10 <|Jason8|Raph|> So guys, when can I run WebOS on my HTC touch Pro? :P Sep 10 05:12:27 lol Sep 10 05:12:56 |Jason8|Raph|: uh, when you hack it to work there? ;) Sep 10 05:13:05 <|Jason8|Raph|> lol. Sep 10 05:13:26 <|Jason8|Raph|> Wonder how hard it'd be... some of the linux drivers are already made. Sep 10 05:13:34 <|Jason8|Raph|> since android is running on it. Sep 10 05:13:38 well, not that i'm advocating anything, but the pixi is based on roughtly the same chip Sep 10 05:13:39 |Jason8|Raph|: probably, hardhack Sep 10 05:13:41 msm based Sep 10 05:13:45 oh, right, forgot pixi Sep 10 05:13:55 "Palm rejected my app because I used undocumented and unsupported API's. I'm super mad!" Sep 10 05:13:57 that changes things a lot Sep 10 05:14:13 Xyg: nanplayer guy needs a tissue Sep 10 05:14:20 Indeed he does Sep 10 05:14:38 he should have just put it in preware to start with .... Sep 10 05:14:46 you dont see the drpodder guy getting all butthurt Sep 10 05:14:48 yup Sep 10 05:14:49 Palm's own music app uses the same API. I don't get the issue if it works properly. Sep 10 05:14:55 he knows he wont be able to submit it until they open that stuff up Sep 10 05:15:01 It's just slowwwwwwwww as hell Sep 10 05:15:06 "Palm rejected MY app because I wrote it for the Nintendo DS! MONOPOLISTIC BASTARDS!" Sep 10 05:15:07 like the calendar Sep 10 05:15:08 xyg what app was that Sep 10 05:15:12 freakout: because their functionality probably requires com.palm namespace now Sep 10 05:15:16 freakout: it's about the ability to change undocumented APIs before they become officially supported. Sep 10 05:15:24 xyg is nanplayer guy Sep 10 05:15:25 ? Sep 10 05:15:30 Nein Sep 10 05:15:35 jack87, see the Precentral forums. It's the NaNplayer fellow Sep 10 05:15:44 I've emailed Chuq about this one, seeking clarification on Palm's policy here. Sep 10 05:15:53 And asking whether or not they intend to document it and open it up. Sep 10 05:15:54 haha, that's why i haven't submitted mine Sep 10 05:16:02 using the com.palm namespace isn't a good idea :) Sep 10 05:16:09 freakout: I think their policy is pretty clear, don't use anything not in the official docs or you may not get in Sep 10 05:16:20 destinal_ : sounds fair enough Sep 10 05:16:28 But I'd still like to hear it from Palm themselves Sep 10 05:16:28 oh you are quoting him Sep 10 05:16:40 It's a good summary :) Sep 10 05:16:59 i'd like palm to open up some of their services :) Sep 10 05:17:08 instead of telling us we can't use them Sep 10 05:17:20 HattCzech: I've heard rumors that there'll be more granular control of bus access, but just rumors Sep 10 05:17:40 wow werid Sep 10 05:17:42 think they'll let me pick up on the SMS bus? :D hahah Sep 10 05:17:45 having to have com.palm to get private bus is not ideal, ACL's would be better Sep 10 05:18:02 ACLs? Sep 10 05:18:04 ok... so last time i did web os dr i had to reenter all my settings for exchange google and facebook Sep 10 05:18:10 HattCzech: access control list Sep 10 05:18:12 this time it is automatically doing it Sep 10 05:18:23 did palmchange something in their whole backing up process Sep 10 05:18:32 where palm would control what has access? Sep 10 05:18:41 its onlly been like a week and a half Sep 10 05:18:46 Jack87: they've always had this. Sep 10 05:18:49 welcome to the cloud Sep 10 05:19:05 i had to manually renter everything last time destinal Sep 10 05:19:15 like 10 days ago Sep 10 05:19:20 Jack87: then something went wrong last time Sep 10 05:19:24 I never have had to Sep 10 05:19:31 got it Sep 10 05:19:37 thanks for clearification Sep 10 05:19:50 oh nice Sep 10 05:19:59 i/ve restored twice Sep 10 05:20:04 always restored my data Sep 10 05:20:12 for the most part Sep 10 05:20:18 destinal_: are you saying palm should have ACLs and allow access to specific people/companies? Sep 10 05:20:41 so i had two exchange accounts set up before mylast webos dr and when i had to manually reenter everything i skipped the other one was too lazy to look up server address... this time around it included that other exchange account Sep 10 05:20:43 HattCzech: no, to allow a user to authorize apps for certain functions Sep 10 05:20:51 android does a lot of this Sep 10 05:20:59 ahhhh, gotcha... blackberry does too Sep 10 05:21:06 yeah, that would be nice Sep 10 05:21:07 or at least (in the least granular case) allow private bus to an app. Sep 10 05:21:56 chris and glist... are you on the clock? Sep 10 05:22:38 night all Sep 10 05:22:50 bye hatt Sep 10 05:24:37 PuffTheMagic: what's the url for the updated batteryservice src? Sep 10 05:24:50 wow i am really liking this copy and paste in browser Sep 10 05:24:59 Zuchmir2: http://git.preyourmind.org/?p=us.ryanhope.sysfsbatteryservice Sep 10 05:25:09 auto zoom is pretty to Sep 10 05:26:38 i cant seem to get one sentence just whole paragraphs Sep 10 05:27:32 ok, looking, you say subscription is now working? Sep 10 05:27:44 yeah Sep 10 05:27:48 for any of the methods Sep 10 05:27:55 pass it subscribe:true Sep 10 05:27:59 cool, don't see the update in the feed Sep 10 05:28:07 no release yet ;) Sep 10 05:28:14 ok Sep 10 05:28:15 i just go it working Sep 10 05:28:19 then watched a show Sep 10 05:28:51 Zuchmir2: i figured you would point all this stuff wrong Sep 10 05:28:57 that i'd need to fix before another release :D Sep 10 05:29:37 ok, np Sep 10 05:33:34 Zuchmir2: so re: g_convert Sep 10 05:33:46 without it the service breaks Sep 10 05:33:54 causes the json payload is not utf-8 Sep 10 05:34:00 when you access that id field Sep 10 05:34:15 and i do a transform it should work for all fields Sep 10 05:34:22 since i can cat the files manually Sep 10 05:34:29 and everthing works fine Sep 10 05:34:43 no special treatment for a certain file Sep 10 05:41:35 if the only one that needs convertion is id, i would treat it secial Sep 10 05:41:48 because it's not really a string Sep 10 05:44:54 everything can be a string Sep 10 05:45:58 but id looks to me like binary Sep 10 05:48:01 who wrote all the scripts in optware install and quilt Sep 10 05:48:24 for installation Sep 10 05:48:27 was it rod? Sep 10 05:49:24 No Sep 10 05:49:29 I believe Puff ddi Sep 10 05:49:30 did Sep 10 05:49:40 very well done puff me likie Sep 10 05:50:16 it looks like he used mytether model of using shell scripts Sep 10 05:50:53 im going to try to fix the broken wifi tethering in 1.2 wish me luck Sep 10 05:52:09 * freakout wishes Jack87 luck Sep 10 05:52:36 eh oh... when i ssh.. it doesnt like my password. how can i reset it? Sep 10 05:53:43 passwd Sep 10 05:53:48 unsername Sep 10 05:54:07 both Sep 10 05:56:20 passwd reset my root password as a telnet login Sep 10 05:56:35 how do i reset the optware ssh password? Sep 10 05:56:59 passwd user name Sep 10 05:57:55 awsesomeo Sep 10 05:58:14 PuffTheMagic: can you please put your makefile in there, it's an overkill to have to run scripts to generate a makefile for a small project like this Sep 10 05:59:11 question on the wiki why does it recomand to set up sftp in the lower links Sep 10 05:59:28 the script for optware sets it up Sep 10 06:02:47 PuffTheMagic: some mods http://pastebin.com/d43f11a72 Sep 10 06:08:40 hmm Sep 10 06:08:56 I installed git, am I supposed to just clone the repo from http://git.webos-internals.org/ ? Sep 10 06:09:06 trying to grab these packaging classes Sep 10 06:12:00 PuffTheMagic: some more mods http://pastebin.com/d49dd801e Sep 10 06:22:15 are the newly released (or unreleased) images only for cortex? Sep 10 06:26:14 tmzt: hmm? Sep 10 06:26:21 armv7 you mean? Sep 10 06:26:44 i think i broke my wifi sad Sep 10 06:27:01 so they changed the drivers in 1.2 is i understand correctly? Sep 10 06:27:23 any reasoning for it? Sep 10 06:27:28 hmm? Sep 10 06:28:09 geist any insight? Sep 10 06:28:19 maybe if you asked a real question Sep 10 06:28:41 were the wifi drivers changed? and what for? Sep 10 06:28:53 in what, on what? Sep 10 06:28:56 in what way? Sep 10 06:29:17 in 1.2 were the wifi drivers changed to prevent ad hoc Sep 10 06:29:24 beats me Sep 10 06:29:30 we haven't relased 1.2 yet anyway Sep 10 06:30:10 so some little voice is telling you that ad-hod doesn't work in 1.2? Sep 10 06:30:19 lol Sep 10 06:30:21 i can ask, if i remember Sep 10 06:30:21 yup Sep 10 06:30:43 thanks Sep 10 06:30:48 but i dont know offhand. wifi and bluetooth is handled by another group, we just give em the kernel to link against Sep 10 06:31:06 i try to stay far away. plausible deniability Sep 10 06:31:30 taking lessons from the CIA, geist? :P Sep 10 06:31:38 understood well if you get insight it be great Sep 10 06:31:42 heh, 10 years in the business teaches you that Sep 10 06:32:18 I have a term for that : S.E.P. Sep 10 06:32:49 sep? Sep 10 06:34:02 Someone Else's Problem Sep 10 06:34:24 heh. convenient Sep 10 06:34:44 it's a protection mechanism in larger companies Sep 10 06:34:54 since you dont have the brain cycles to handle everything at once Sep 10 06:35:02 and pattern i once tended to fall into Sep 10 06:35:30 it's better to just not know, so you dont get worked up about how screwed up it inevitably is :) Sep 10 06:36:03 True that. I employed the same method myself when I was working for the city council Sep 10 06:36:12 ...as did the rest of the organisation. Sep 10 06:36:22 No wonder the taxpayers hated us so much. :) Sep 10 06:37:35 anyone know what js engine is actually in webos? Sep 10 06:37:49 geist: yes Sep 10 06:37:57 for Pixi support Sep 10 06:38:08 ... Sep 10 06:38:19 DraX: I think they are using v8 Sep 10 06:38:29 DraX: yes Sep 10 06:38:42 any idea what version of v8? Sep 10 06:38:51 isn't there only one version? Sep 10 06:39:07 it's being developed pretty constantly Sep 10 06:39:22 then it's some version Sep 10 06:39:31 probably some snapshot + patches Sep 10 06:39:33 would that version string be in about somewhere? Sep 10 06:39:33 like the new regex engine is fairly recent Sep 10 06:39:37 didn't we drop the source? Sep 10 06:39:48 for 1.2? Sep 10 06:39:54 for v8 Sep 10 06:40:04 look. 1.2 DOES NOT EXIST as far as i'm concerned Sep 10 06:40:08 so dont ask me about it Sep 10 06:40:17 when it shows up it'll show up, okay? Sep 10 06:40:54 ah, ok Sep 10 06:40:59 erm Sep 10 06:41:04 wasn't following that closely Sep 10 06:41:06 i see Javascriptcore in the opensource.palm packages Sep 10 06:41:11 but that's not v8 Sep 10 06:41:13 lol @ geist Sep 10 06:41:32 geist: So 1.2 tomorrow? :P Sep 10 06:41:36 i'm not even sure that's SFE Sep 10 06:41:36 so 1.1 sources Sep 10 06:41:43 freakout: absolutely Sep 10 06:41:54 * freakout blogs madly Sep 10 06:41:57 hah Sep 10 06:42:07 I know Pixi is on palm.com (for Sprint) and that's really all I know Sep 10 06:42:10 "Palm Confirms 1.2 Tomorrow, With Free Unicorns" Sep 10 06:42:14 yay Sep 10 06:42:25 we can finally get em out of the halls Sep 10 06:42:27 they stink Sep 10 06:42:42 even their rainbow poop Sep 10 06:43:12 Really? Those damn salespeople down at the stables have been lying to me! Sep 10 06:43:15 yeah the javascript engine on opensource.palm.com for 1.1.0 is _way_ old Sep 10 06:43:26 then, that's what we shipped Sep 10 06:43:26 and not v8 Sep 10 06:43:34 it's definitely v8 Sep 10 06:43:55 that's not v8 Sep 10 06:44:03 so maybe that's anotherone, maybe it uses a more traditional one for some other purpose? Sep 10 06:44:10 i frankly have no idea how any of that crap works Sep 10 06:44:30 but being kind of the resident ARM guy, i didn't help them debug a pile of v8 problems a year ago for nuthin Sep 10 06:45:19 well if y'all are using v8 you didn't release the source on opensource. Sep 10 06:45:43 which you're not obligated to do Sep 10 06:45:47 since it's bsdish Sep 10 06:45:50 ah Sep 10 06:46:11 DraX: what's the goal? Sep 10 06:46:20 perhaps. though i'm pretty sure whatever bugfixes we did someone pushed them back to the open sauce Sep 10 06:46:31 tmzt: mainly curiousity Sep 10 06:46:31 there were some initial EABI problems that took some fixin Sep 10 06:47:23 I wonder if android uses v8 for it's browser implementation Sep 10 06:47:38 since they would have had the same problem I would think Sep 10 06:47:54 i dont think they did for 1.0 Sep 10 06:47:57 maybe by now Sep 10 06:48:05 yeah they did the arm port of v8 for android though Sep 10 06:48:08 i remember asking my android buddies about it, and they were going to look for it Sep 10 06:48:19 DraX: that's not what i heard Sep 10 06:48:37 geist: what did you hear? Sep 10 06:48:40 story i heard was the v8 stuff for arm was not really for android, but for the chrome stuff Sep 10 06:48:45 different team within the company Sep 10 06:48:52 google is HUGE Sep 10 06:48:53 right Sep 10 06:48:55 maybe from chromeos Sep 10 06:49:02 but android browser is webkit Sep 10 06:49:13 of course, and i'm sure they've integrated it by now Sep 10 06:49:17 chrome os tmzt Sep 10 06:49:19 and if they didn't use v8 it's jsc Sep 10 06:49:21 but it definitely wasn't a 1.0 thing for android Sep 10 06:49:42 Jack87: what does that have to do with it Sep 10 06:50:46 Jack87: Sep 10 06:50:56 what's love got to do with it? Sep 10 06:51:06 hmm, i wonder if the new regex engine is in the v8 in webos Sep 10 06:51:27 geist: did you have to fight with the regex -> asm compiler? Sep 10 06:51:34 Jack87: android also uses webkit Sep 10 06:51:39 * geist points out that he is a kernel guy Sep 10 06:51:48 Mmmmmm, popcorn. Sep 10 06:51:53 yes but you said you'd helped with the arm weirdness in v8 Sep 10 06:51:56 through jnI Sep 10 06:52:16 ruh roh, if i answer are you gonna blog that palm is definitely doing XXX or YYY? Sep 10 06:52:43 geist: no, i'm just curious Sep 10 06:52:45 * freakout blocks ears Sep 10 06:53:02 i dunno Sep 10 06:53:07 ok Sep 10 06:53:25 thanks for bothering to answer at all :) Sep 10 06:53:27 we got some new arm guys around that have generally been fielding that stuff Sep 10 06:55:01 geist, what about those game guys? Sep 10 06:55:06 (promise not to quote!) Sep 10 06:55:09 nice one Sep 10 06:55:15 not gonna bite Sep 10 06:55:20 lol Sep 10 06:55:24 i do server-side js stuff for $WORK, so i'm curious about other JS usage out there in general Sep 10 06:55:44 i need to try my hand at it one of these days. never hacked a line of it ever Sep 10 06:55:56 JS that is. games sure. i'm even on mobygames! Sep 10 06:56:16 it's a cool language if you don't get offended by some of its nasty bits Sep 10 06:56:35 that's what i hear. if you know what parts to avoid it's not so bad Sep 10 06:56:52 geist: mobygames under "geist"? there's a few Sep 10 06:57:12 and it's a cool language to dig into, because then you can do some pretty crazy stuff Sep 10 06:57:24 http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,320852/ Sep 10 06:57:31 sadly the game wasn't really that good Sep 10 06:57:37 lol Sep 10 06:57:37 but i think the engine looked okay Sep 10 06:57:42 I was wondering how to say that diplomatically Sep 10 06:57:57 The sequel looks better. Sep 10 06:58:02 it made enough money though, sinc ehte movie was so good Sep 10 06:58:18 it was 1.0 on the game engine too Sep 10 06:58:26 i did a lot of the ps3 port Sep 10 06:58:33 ouch? Sep 10 06:58:37 PS3 horror stories abound Sep 10 06:58:52 nah, it was fun. most programmers are wusses Sep 10 06:58:59 compared to the xbox, it's an actual challenge Sep 10 06:59:00 The price was a horror story Sep 10 06:59:04 *cough* Valve *cough* Sep 10 06:59:24 xbox is super easy to hack on if you come from the PC world Sep 10 06:59:33 since it's just windows + dx essentially Sep 10 07:00:16 the other interesting tidbit that most folks dont realize is the xbox is actually a lot better hardware than ps3 Sep 10 07:00:25 even though the ps3 came out a year later, it has an underpowered gpu Sep 10 07:00:26 Oh brother Sep 10 07:00:30 Don't say that on game blogs Sep 10 07:00:47 The PS3 hardware is just under-exploited meme has taken full force Sep 10 07:01:04 yeah, the gpu on the xbox kicks the crap out of the ps3 one Sep 10 07:01:17 you can mitigate it somewhat by preprocessing as much as you can on the cell processor Sep 10 07:01:26 that can help a lot for a lot of geometry based stuff Sep 10 07:01:37 but it doesn't help at all with pure pixel shader throughput Sep 10 07:01:39 geist: of course, it is ATI...It can't be good ;) Sep 10 07:01:44 So what's your take on Naughty Dog's "We couldn't do Uncharted 2 on Xbox" claims then? Sep 10 07:01:55 hogwash? I figured it was. Sep 10 07:02:17 My xbox gets laggy when there is a lot going on....probably overheating Sep 10 07:02:20 so generally speaking the ps3 specific games tend to be high on lots of geometry Sep 10 07:02:26 simpler shaders Sep 10 07:02:30 it can deal with that pretty well Sep 10 07:02:46 but when it comes to generic engines, which the bulk of the games are, you end up limiting the ps3 Sep 10 07:02:52 since the xobx is super easy to program for Sep 10 07:02:58 very straightforward to hack Sep 10 07:03:08 I've read in several places that if you're doing cross-platform stuff you're better off with the PS3 as the lead platform Sep 10 07:03:19 right, since it's more limited Sep 10 07:03:19 Since you have to do so much extra work if you start on the 360 Sep 10 07:03:33 right, that was what my task was for the ironman game Sep 10 07:03:41 we eventually settled on 60fps for xbox, 30 for ps3 Sep 10 07:03:44 psp hacking is easy and fun :) Sep 10 07:03:55 we were lucky we had already had a target for 60fps for xbox Sep 10 07:04:22 and limited ps3 to 720p Sep 10 07:04:45 on the flipside, when you dev for xbox you limit your game resources to 8GB, since it only has a dvd player Sep 10 07:04:54 freakout why wouldnt it be easier to have pc as the lead platform? Sep 10 07:05:08 * freakout is not a game developer, Jack87 ;) Sep 10 07:05:17 * freakout is just a voracious reader and asker-of-questions Sep 10 07:05:17 otoh, the bluray reader can do 50GB, but the troughput isnt any faster Sep 10 07:05:30 http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/09/07/girls-lost-in-drain-rescued-due-to-facebook-status-update srsly? Sep 10 07:05:47 jack is pc gamer so thats all he cares about Sep 10 07:05:55 indeed Sep 10 07:06:07 sad you retired pcs oil.. but whatever works best for you :) Sep 10 07:06:17 geist: I also recall reading that PS3's extra blu-ray space gets used mainly in duplicating data, to speed up reading Sep 10 07:06:19 that is sad Sep 10 07:06:30 freakout: yeah, tat's a common strategy Sep 10 07:06:31 Eguy: that's so hopeless, ain't it? Sep 10 07:06:44 you aggressively preprocess your game so that all the data comes off in one stripe Sep 10 07:06:56 Kids these days.... makes me want to cry Sep 10 07:06:56 and compress the crap out of it, since you have enough cpu to decode it in real time Sep 10 07:07:01 I feel all old right now Sep 10 07:07:35 Eguy: i figure they were maybe just too embarrassed at their own stupidity to call emergency Sep 10 07:07:53 though one of the nice things about ps3 is it always has a HD, whereas you can't rely on it existing on xbox Sep 10 07:08:00 stupid msft Sep 10 07:08:02 indeed Sep 10 07:08:13 Not to mention the *ridiculous* pricing on their HDDs Sep 10 07:08:31 I got the 120gig xbox drive on closeout Sep 10 07:08:35 like the hddvd drive Sep 10 07:08:36 haha Sep 10 07:08:48 IMO, they were way to aggressive in cost-cutting after the original Xbox costs blew up in their face Sep 10 07:08:58 and the RROD issues were their comeuppance. Sep 10 07:09:21 And Peter Moore's, too. Poor guy Sep 10 07:09:28 Eguy: how much? Sep 10 07:09:41 I don't remember Sep 10 07:10:29 * freakout thinks Eguy has too much money if he can't remember how much he spends on things :P Sep 10 07:10:37 I am loaded man Sep 10 07:10:41 * freakout thinks Eguy should provide him an interest-free loan Sep 10 07:10:47 I just bought 10 pre's for rwhitby Sep 10 07:10:50 lol Sep 10 07:13:24 free: I just hope the msm chip will have the ati gpu, but I think it's same as g1/hero/etc. Sep 10 07:13:31 freakout: Sep 10 07:13:42 the new Sep 10 07:15:07 tmzt: huh? Sep 10 07:15:50 I think he is talking about the Pixi Sep 10 07:15:57 have you seen the new webos device? Sep 10 07:16:03 yeah Sep 10 07:16:04 ohhh Sep 10 07:17:07 geist, chrisa: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/6718/inside-the-pixi-processor/ Sep 10 07:17:18 Does that match with reality? Sep 10 07:17:25 (not that i expect you to be able to reveal...) Sep 10 07:17:27 They won't be able to comment Sep 10 07:17:49 hmm - is it 7227 or 7627 - I think I saw the latter on some forums Sep 10 07:17:59 Eguy: I figured that. But one day I might get lucky and catch them whilst they're drunk Sep 10 07:18:05 LOL Sep 10 07:18:29 rwhitby: doesn't matter. all the 7x27s are essentially the same as far as the apps processor is concerned Sep 10 07:18:40 Oooh Sep 10 07:19:13 in case it isn't clear, the 7xxx cpus from QC are all integrated apps processor + radio processor Sep 10 07:19:26 so it's a single chip phone, essentially Sep 10 07:19:29 rwhitby: you're right, it's 7627. i'll hate to correct that Sep 10 07:19:47 *have Sep 10 07:20:29 s/hate/have Sep 10 07:20:42 * freakout fails at infobot polling Sep 10 07:21:09 infobot is mia Sep 10 07:21:16 oh, there he is Sep 10 07:21:19 hes got v? Sep 10 07:21:30 lol Sep 10 07:22:58 Qualcomm's site has nothing on the 7627. odd Sep 10 07:23:37 like i said 7x27 is the same as far as apps are concerned. some radio difference Sep 10 07:24:10 i think, at least Sep 10 07:24:11 Graphics acceleration? Sep 10 07:24:44 well, no more info Sep 10 07:24:49 oil: infobot is very important - he gets +v Sep 10 07:24:58 if QC hasn't documented, then ig uess they dont want you to know Sep 10 07:25:00 pity Sep 10 07:25:04 haha Sep 10 07:25:04 He isn't really a he Sep 10 07:25:13 * freakout is already emailing Qualcomm anyway Sep 10 07:30:16 76 would be cdma Sep 10 07:30:37 would that be the only difference? Sep 10 07:31:01 (taking geist's previous statement into account) Sep 10 07:31:30 freakout is in probing mode today lol Sep 10 07:31:48 * freakout still feels burned by Precentral's Pixi exclusive Sep 10 07:31:53 I think so Sep 10 07:31:55 * freakout want *revenge*! :P Sep 10 07:32:08 freakout SMASH Sep 10 07:32:13 threa source in surpra already for the gsm one at least Sep 10 07:32:15 lol Sep 10 07:32:32 there's Sep 10 07:32:48 hmmmm Sep 10 07:32:55 can't type Sep 10 07:33:10 neither can my cat, tmzt. still love him ;) Sep 10 07:33:27 in a purely platonic manly way... Sep 10 07:33:38 aww, makes me sad. I had to give up my cat last weekend Sep 10 07:33:44 aurora Sep 10 07:33:55 geist: sucks. how come? Sep 10 07:34:00 she's happy at my sisters house, but i'm still sad she's not here Sep 10 07:34:03 * Eguy hates cats Sep 10 07:34:12 auroracode.org Sep 10 07:34:12 well, thinking of moving, and it's hard to find a place that takes pets Sep 10 07:34:19 * freakout is not surprised, the cats hate Eguy too :P Sep 10 07:34:20 and i keep going on these long business trips Sep 10 07:34:36 or other way around Sep 10 07:34:45 tmzt: cheers Sep 10 07:35:04 can never remember Sep 10 07:35:11 geist: s Sep 10 07:35:20 s'pose it's not fair to 'em to leave 'em alone. Sep 10 07:36:03 Mine hates it. Sep 10 07:36:17 You can tell how pleased he is when I come home, but he tries to hide it Sep 10 07:36:30 yeah Sep 10 07:36:41 8mpix would be better cde or dsp thanothge msm chips I think Sep 10 07:36:52 It's like "Oh, you're back? Fine, whatever. I just *happen* to be around wherever you are for days afterward. Don't get any ideas that I like you or anything." Sep 10 07:36:57 vfe Sep 10 07:37:04 videofront end Sep 10 07:39:16 Oo, a wiki. Sep 10 07:41:04 With android and apple repos? Sep 10 07:41:20 but no palm. Unless I'm looking at the wrong chips Sep 10 07:41:43 freakout: maybe you can do a story about the NaNPlayer guy - take the different tack from PreCentral and say how the guy has violated his SDK EULA by using undocumented APIs ... Sep 10 07:42:01 nothing here yet but wow Sep 10 07:42:04 https://www.codeaurora.org/index.php?xwinp Sep 10 07:42:10 rwhitby: ARGH Sep 10 07:42:14 did they do a story already? Sep 10 07:42:42 freakout: Title it "Taking My Marbles home cause those big Palm bullies won't let me play in their playground. Sob Sob" Sep 10 07:42:48 lol Sep 10 07:43:09 The guy has been very nice in my talks with him Sep 10 07:43:25 yeah, I'm sure he's a nice guy. Sep 10 07:43:29 I don't want to be flat-out *mean* Sep 10 07:43:49 but he's got to be joking if he thinks he can use undocumented features and then be upset if his app is not accepted as a result. Sep 10 07:44:16 that'd be like us submitting Preware to Palm and kicking up a big press stink when it is rejected. Sep 10 07:44:19 here you go, a sneak preview of tomorrow's article: Sep 10 07:44:26 "Before we grab the pitchforks and flaming torches and descend upon Sunnyvale, however, it should be noted that there are technical consequences that arise from the use of undocumented APIs. For instance, it's logical to assume that being undocumented means that the API has not been fully developed and is still subject to change, potentially breaking NaNplayer with any future updates and leading to unhappy customers. " Sep 10 07:45:01 also against the EULA, eh? Sep 10 07:47:10 don't believe me on that - check it out Sep 10 07:47:18 * oil makes post about palm rejecting preware Sep 10 07:47:20 heh, i trust you Sep 10 07:47:34 I wouldn't - I make stuff up all the time. Sep 10 07:47:38 lol Sep 10 07:47:48 Like your bum link yesterday about the MSM7227? :P Sep 10 07:48:19 like i said earlier, I've asked Chuq to explain the situation for me Sep 10 07:48:48 assuming he responds to my emails for a change, there should be some nice soothing words for all parties Sep 10 07:49:12 at Palm Infocenter, we like to holds hands and sing kum-ba-yag Sep 10 07:49:32 s/kum-ba-yag/kum-ba-yah Sep 10 07:50:20 heh - I'm going to a scout leader meeting tonight and all ... Sep 10 07:50:42 freakout infobot fail x2 Sep 10 07:50:44 enjoy, rwhitby Sep 10 07:50:48 ~botsnack Sep 10 07:50:48 freakout: :) Sep 10 07:50:54 Maybe that'll fix it? Sep 10 07:51:10 s/fix/fart Sep 10 07:51:19 stupid infobot! Sep 10 07:51:22 ~botsmack Sep 10 07:51:23 OWW! Sep 10 07:51:29 lol Sep 10 07:51:34 i didnt know there was a smack option Sep 10 07:51:42 lol. neither did I till just now Sep 10 07:51:51 i think you need a trailing / Sep 10 07:51:59 hmmm. Test. Sep 10 07:52:14 s/test/sanctum/ Sep 10 07:52:24 freaking hell. Sep 10 07:52:25 or he just doesnt like you Sep 10 07:53:32 That is a possibility. I can be a dick. (ask an ex...) Sep 10 07:54:37 and you smacked him Sep 10 07:54:57 infobot likes it rough Sep 10 07:54:58 * infobot runs and gives it rough a big bear-hug. Sep 10 07:55:15 lol Sep 10 07:55:26 infobot likes Rosie O'Donnell Sep 10 07:55:27 * infobot runs and gives Rosie O'Donnell a big bear-hug. Sep 10 07:55:47 infobot likes a flamboyantly gay man, who is nude and dripping with honey Sep 10 07:55:48 * infobot runs and gives a flamboyantly gay man, who is nude and dripping with honey a big bear-hug. Sep 10 07:56:24 lol Sep 10 07:56:37 freakout: trailing / (don't you know sed) and you need to get the case right Sep 10 07:56:57 you've failed the syntax on all tries ;-) Sep 10 07:57:11 rwhitby: You sound like the girls I ask out. ;) Sep 10 07:57:24 * freakout has been schooled Sep 10 07:57:28 I hope not ... for their sake. Sep 10 07:57:34 Someone please look at this Sep 10 07:57:36 https://www.codeaurora.org/wiki/QLBEP Sep 10 07:57:47 the "apple" branch. Sep 10 07:57:54 That is not for a phone, so far as I know. Sep 10 07:58:17 possibly crazy question, but Secret Tablet? Sep 10 07:58:36 * rwhitby starts the counter until someone posts "what's the Optware Bootstrap app (which says in the description that it has no functionality yet, and I just released it to see who would be the first to post a PreCentral thread asking about it) all about?" Sep 10 08:03:16 i sighn up rod want me to post Sep 10 08:05:03 there'a abothe problem with that, why linux? Sep 10 08:06:01 Good question. Sep 10 08:11:45 uh might be an android thing Sep 10 08:12:07 flavor of cupcake Sep 10 08:12:16 apple cupcake? yummy ;) Sep 10 08:12:50 can't find where it said qsd Sep 10 08:19:01 okeydoke, bbl. I'm off to rock-climbing Sep 10 08:23:58 so has palm been doing OTA to leaked 1.2 reverting back o 1.1? or is that just a fear Sep 10 08:37:04 Jack87: it would be doing a service to their customers if they did, cause you don't know what a real 1.2 OTA update will do to a phone that has an unfinished pre-1.2 on it ... Sep 10 08:42:31 im sure it would be a service Sep 10 08:42:39 but thats not what i asked Sep 10 08:42:44 hum Sep 10 08:42:58 yeah, dunno if they have or not. Sep 10 08:43:17 I expect it would have been tech-blogged if it has happened. Sep 10 08:43:55 people have disablled OTA in fear of it but i have not seen anything actually happen i wonder... i guess ill leave mine be and find out Sep 10 08:43:57 i think it's just a version check. If sane no update, if not push OTA Sep 10 08:44:19 that make sense acylord Sep 10 08:44:52 I wonder how many people will forget to turn updates back on, and then get hacked by a security vulnerability which is fixed ... Sep 10 08:45:03 dunno if it's if version>=1.1 stop or a if version =/=1.1 push Sep 10 08:45:22 probably none rod Sep 10 08:45:50 im sure there will be an alarmist post on precentral to remind them Sep 10 08:46:03 acydlord_aao: yeah, we can count on that ;-) Sep 10 08:46:23 yup:) Sep 10 08:46:38 OMFG THE WORLD IS GOING TO EXPLODE AND THE RAPTURE WILL HAPPEN IF YOU DONT RE-ENABLE UPDATES Sep 10 08:46:43 /billy mays Sep 10 08:47:08 he died Sep 10 08:47:22 plane crash i think Sep 10 08:47:27 or heart thing Sep 10 08:47:30 one of the two Sep 10 08:47:37 coke overdose Sep 10 08:47:41 after a plane crash Sep 10 08:47:49 oh Sep 10 08:48:14 i like luna mangaer! Sep 10 08:48:35 which one of you bright folks were behind that one? Sep 10 08:48:59 not i Sep 10 08:49:07 definitely not robo-steve Sep 10 08:51:03 i see the optware bootstrap made it into preware Sep 10 08:51:53 well made it to the feed that is Sep 10 08:52:40 Jack87: oil for the front-end, me for the service. Sep 10 08:52:49 (for luna manager) Sep 10 08:55:17 good job guys me likie a lot Sep 10 08:56:08 for the record the whole 2 of you who dont care.. the flash light app does indeed work in leaked 1.2... i mention it because it was said somewhere that it did not Sep 10 08:59:34 ah, cool. I just had a brainwave on how to easily repackage optware apps for preware :-) Sep 10 08:59:50 * rwhitby bbl Sep 10 09:07:59 Hi. Sep 10 09:08:53 When I'm Using a specific CSS file which I added to the Resource/xx_xx folder he also use his primary Css file with the Css file that in the Resource/xx_xx... Sep 10 09:09:22 How to Set it to be used only the Resource/xx_xx Css file when I'm on this language (selected)? Sep 10 09:35:25 how can i find list of network devices on my pre in linux side Sep 10 09:35:31 eth0 Sep 10 09:35:34 eth1? Sep 10 09:35:37 how do i get that list Sep 10 09:57:17 ifconfig? Sep 10 10:42:30 JackieRipper: ifconfig works. I also like ip addr show Sep 10 10:42:36 oops Sep 10 10:42:47 Jack87, not JackieRipper ... must be he left... yeah, like a hour ago Sep 10 12:18:41 hello would anyone here happen to have a copy of json_utils.h ? Sep 10 13:24:35 just read a very interesting article on capacitive touchscreens .. Sep 10 14:42:43 yawn Sep 10 14:42:44 back to work Sep 10 15:07:15 bpadalino|work : share link? Sep 10 15:23:12 freakout, http://embedded.com/design/testissue/219500393?printable=true Sep 10 15:23:16 sorry for the delay Sep 10 15:31:17 bpadalino|work : I can never forgive you :P Sep 10 17:01:13 is there somewhere to edit the preware config to add new feeds? Sep 10 17:01:18 need to test my theme ipks Sep 10 17:03:40 AnOutsider_AFK: you can install them via webos quickinstall Sep 10 17:04:28 yeah, that didn't work, but I thought I remembered rwhitby mentioning something about the app doing things diff Sep 10 17:06:16 anyone familiar with ipks see anythign obviously wrong with this ipk? http://bit.ly/mgvY6 Sep 10 17:10:27 ipks just get extracted I think Sep 10 17:11:04 any idea where to exactly? if I have to write a postint to move the files where they should be, I'll need to find that Sep 10 17:11:36 rwhitby mentioned the virtualkeyboard ipk has an example of this. Anyone know where I can grab the vkeyboard ipk? Sep 10 17:12:59 AnOutsider_AFK preware.org Sep 10 17:13:10 weirdness Sep 10 17:16:32 god I hate Comcass Sep 10 17:18:06 but @comcastcares Sep 10 17:38:37 well then Sep 10 17:39:10 hah comcast sucks Sep 10 17:39:15 majorly Sep 10 17:39:24 and I'm even on their expensive "business class" connection Sep 10 17:39:27 Luckly I don't have them Sep 10 17:39:59 AnOutsider: tweet about it, and youll get more help than if you call them... (unfortunately) Sep 10 17:40:17 or fortunately, i dont know which it is Sep 10 17:41:02 I would call that unfortunately Sep 10 17:42:23 Eguy: yeah, but it also means that you can get better service if you tweet to them on twitter so, you if you tweet you get benefits as opposed to the rest of peoples Sep 10 17:43:49 Kinda rediuclous though Sep 10 17:43:56 rediculous Sep 10 17:43:58 yes Sep 10 17:45:52 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3044/2671279406_556dde3d34.jpg actually that is even more rediculous Sep 10 17:46:36 lol Sep 10 17:48:15 Fernando @ Sep 10th 2009 1:11PM Oh Palm you Nazi's you suck you control all your crap and never give us anything, the phone is mine and I want everything, derka derka! Sep 10 17:48:27 Ahhhhh the joys of 14 year olds on Engadget :) Sep 10 18:02:53 Nice, the forthcoming nokia N900 is supposedly an OMAP3430 also Sep 10 18:03:06 (same as pre) Sep 10 18:04:23 Eguy: is that in response to NaNPlayer rejection? Sep 10 18:16:35 * punzada has his pre up and loaded and configured from stock Sep 10 18:16:44 now time to break it by logging into the shell and doing things I shouldn't Sep 10 18:17:28 and god going from resistive touchscreen to capacitive is fantastic >> Sep 10 18:26:05 Eh, doing things you shouldn't includes taking a bath with your pre, but not logging into a shell Sep 10 18:26:32 lol ;p Sep 10 18:26:38 fair enough Sep 10 18:27:08 honestly i've been using linux basically daily for around three years now, chances of me actually doing something wrong is quite slim Sep 10 18:27:36 I'm wanting it to get to 100% charged though and its sitting at 97% Sep 10 18:27:52 Are you talking about the ui display? Sep 10 18:27:59 There's also always the webOS Doctor, which will let you recover from pretty much anything you can do to it Sep 10 18:28:05 yeah Sep 10 18:28:21 The ui battery % lies intentionally, you're probably actually around 93-94% Sep 10 18:28:45 hmm, lies and says its more then it is, I dont like that, if its going to lie tell me I have less then i do >> Sep 10 18:29:33 oh, wait. I did say that wrong Sep 10 18:29:47 oh, it does report less then you should have? Sep 10 18:30:12 oh nm anyway, says 100% now Sep 10 18:30:13 nice Sep 10 18:30:18 It basically comes down to reporting 0% when it has 4-5% left Sep 10 18:30:28 ah, I see Sep 10 18:30:37 So it can shut down properly, and doesn't get to a dangerous voltage level requiring taper charging Sep 10 18:30:41 user experience blabla Sep 10 18:30:47 * punzada nods Sep 10 18:30:55 what is taper charging mean? Sep 10 18:30:56 that i understand, the reverse confused me ;p Sep 10 18:31:16 does* Sep 10 18:31:25 When a battery is below a certain voltage (3.1-3.2v or so for batteries like these) it's not safe to charge at a full current threshold Sep 10 18:31:35 So you trickle charge at a low current until it is Sep 10 18:31:44 I misspoke before, trickle is for low, taper is for high / topping of Sep 10 18:31:45 it will damage the battery? Sep 10 18:31:57 Supposedly, I've never tried Sep 10 18:32:05 you should try it and tell me =) Sep 10 18:32:10 There are plenty of industry requirements (CTIA) requiring you handle it properly Sep 10 18:32:14 and certifications for charging Sep 10 18:35:23 this phone makes me wish I didn't friend and add people on aim that I dont' particularly like that much Sep 10 18:35:31 lol Sep 10 18:35:40 The aim contact thing does get annoying actually Sep 10 18:37:00 otherwise I'm loving this for right now though, I'm used to a battery sucking smart phone so I'm sure that wont bother me any Sep 10 19:04:31 damn, those lil ear buds the pre comes with sound great Sep 10 19:05:00 punzada: yeah, but uncomfortable as hell Sep 10 19:05:12 yeah i could see them not being for everyone Sep 10 19:05:18 they're fairly obtuse Sep 10 19:06:09 i got a pair of ultimate ears metrofi 220vi, really comfortable and sound amazing and the cable is sturdy and isnt prone to tangling. want to try the earplug hack on them Sep 10 19:06:23 earplug hack? Sep 10 19:06:53 http://lifehacker.com/5347245/make-comfortable-noise+isolating-earbuds-for-less-than-a-dollar Sep 10 19:07:36 ah, nifty Sep 10 19:07:54 lifehacker is on my rss feeds how did I miss that, lol. Sep 10 19:07:56 cuz my ears a fairly small Sep 10 19:07:59 lol Sep 10 19:08:14 lifehacker is one of the feeds i have that i read or at least skim ALL posts Sep 10 19:14:30 i like how it does the screen lock >> Sep 10 19:49:30 does video need to be in the mp4 container on the pre? Sep 10 19:58:01 hi guys Sep 10 19:58:03 whats new Sep 10 20:00:18 trying to figure out proper mencoder/ffmpeg conversion options for my media Sep 10 20:00:21 lol Sep 10 20:06:50 What folder contains the quick launch bar? Sep 10 20:23:34 punzada: here's what worked with my for mencoder: http://ashi.livejournal.com/159532.html Sep 10 20:23:45 for watching with the built-in pre video player Sep 10 20:24:26 ty ;p Sep 10 20:24:57 s/with my/for me Sep 10 20:25:59 i downloaded handbreak for a nice gui solution to see how well that works, nice to have something command line though more my style Sep 10 20:26:22 handbrake* Sep 10 20:27:02 I've had mixed success with handbrake Sep 10 20:27:12 But I've only tried a handful of times Sep 10 20:27:13 i actually tried handbrake on ubuntu, and it kept crashing. Sep 10 20:27:56 just finished conversion, we'll see how it goes Sep 10 20:28:08 at this point i just want to see another video pop up besides the default one Sep 10 20:28:11 lol Sep 10 20:28:13 :) Sep 10 20:29:33 video is crisp, subtitles look good, \o/ Sep 10 20:30:20 yay. Sep 10 20:34:33 hmm, would be nice if more containers were supported out of the box, palm should get working on that ;p Sep 10 20:36:09 hopefully i'll have ogm support done soon Sep 10 20:36:46 at the gstreamer level anyway Sep 10 20:36:59 i'm not sure if the upper layers will cooperate Sep 10 20:41:17 no flac support native eh? Sep 10 20:41:19 boo Sep 10 20:41:28 silly palm Sep 10 20:43:03 that's probably next after ogg vorbis Sep 10 20:43:18 90% of my music is either vorbis or flac :) Sep 10 20:45:36 nice ;p Sep 10 20:49:21 morning Sep 10 20:51:33 g'evening :P Sep 10 21:00:11 hmm, I seem to be in some type of loop in enabling the webos quick install, if i try to download doctor within the installer it cant download it and if i manually download and place it in the folder it says its installed but on restart asks for it again >> Sep 10 21:05:03 nm Sep 10 21:05:04 read the thread Sep 10 21:05:05 ;p Sep 10 21:07:23 hmm Sep 10 21:07:38 fritos on precentral figured out how to send audio/video via mms. Sep 10 21:08:39 he is not going to post each one as a separate .patch because then he has to maintain possibly like 100 different combinations DeCiBeL Sep 10 21:08:42 err Decimation__ Sep 10 21:08:49 hmm same issue still. Sep 10 21:09:08 ahh Sep 10 21:09:18 well, he should post each one for people who want to edit it manually Sep 10 21:09:23 What he should do is add enabe/disable to each one in the preferences of the messaging app Sep 10 21:09:35 people who know enough to do so, so they can only have what they want Sep 10 21:12:15 what's the thread? Sep 10 21:13:22 punzada: the doctor is big, over 200 MB it takes a while to download Sep 10 21:13:46 it cant download from the installer Sep 10 21:13:49 it 404's Sep 10 21:13:56 so i already ahve it downloaded seperately Sep 10 21:13:58 palm changed the name Sep 10 21:14:05 jason hasn't updated to match yet Sep 10 21:14:11 oh Sep 10 21:14:18 well i've renamed to Sep 10 21:14:24 webosdoctor.jar as suggested in the thread Sep 10 21:14:27 and it still finds it Sep 10 21:14:43 and it still just deletes it, any idea where it installs to and what the file needs to be named under linux? Sep 10 21:15:07 it doesn't say in the 100+page webos doctor thread? Sep 10 21:16:00 not that i can find brb afk Sep 10 21:16:13 (I don't know the answer, I run wosqi on a mac) Sep 10 21:18:03 * egaudet_work commute home Sep 10 21:24:25 ajames: Nice that you are working on it. adding ogg vorbis support for the installed gstreamer was on top of my list once the Pre GSM is available Sep 10 21:25:16 ajames: I would wonder if the upper layers make problems here. They should rely on gstreamer infos only. Sep 10 21:26:08 ajames: please let me know if you have success. Sep 10 21:26:27 * stefan_schmidt goes to bed now Sep 10 22:04:23 looks like im sticking to my mp3 player, podshifter.com does a good job but my mp3 does a better job, too bad, wouldve liked to only have one device Sep 10 22:07:48 * gkatsev -> home Sep 10 22:21:28 podshifter.. interesting Sep 10 22:21:38 in what cases is it needed to listen faster? Sep 10 22:51:54 anyone here who can check an ESN to see whether it is good or bad? Sep 10 23:02:59 AnOutsider: i like listening to podcasts and audiobook at 150% playback speed. i get through em faster Sep 10 23:06:01 ah makes sense Sep 10 23:06:23 so who wants boot screen ipks! woo! Sep 10 23:06:24 lol Sep 10 23:07:34 hehe i would Sep 10 23:08:48 heh Sep 10 23:08:57 lemme enable downloading on the site for the ipls Sep 10 23:09:01 ipks even, gimme a min Sep 10 23:13:29 http://www.prethemer.com/Pirate-boot-logo14.html try that on for size Sep 10 23:15:05 hehe, evil panda Sep 10 23:15:52 they will replace your boot logo with no backup tho, so to get the original back: http://www.prethemer.com/Palm_Default-boot-logo3.html Sep 10 23:16:14 mucho gracias to rwhitby for help with the packaging. Maybe we can start getting these into preware Sep 10 23:19:38 can you make a doctor who themed one? Sep 10 23:19:53 food, brb Sep 10 23:20:45 I didnt make those, just the site haha. Asked a couple designers on precentral to use theirs in testing Sep 10 23:26:42 since good alpha testers are likely to be in this channel: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1885037#post1885037 Sep 10 23:27:05 heh Sep 10 23:27:53 what makes a 'good' alpha tester? :P Sep 10 23:28:07 someone who can give intelligent bug reports Sep 10 23:28:29 I see. I've already installed probably 30 packages from opt-ware, but with no "extensive" testing or bug reporting. Sep 10 23:33:10 JackieRipper: ping Sep 10 23:35:06 gdial pro graduated to app catalog? cool Sep 10 23:40:20 rwhitby: I'd like to but doubt I fit your definition of "good". Sep 10 23:40:44 Also: I was a bit torqued when Palm gave PreCentral an exclusive on the Pixi. Sep 10 23:40:50 zsoc: actually, you'll be a great alpha tester for testing the interoperability of the old bootstrap script and the new Optware Bootstrap package. Sep 10 23:40:52 flpalm is not in here anymore but congradulations to him for making it to the app catalog Sep 10 23:41:02 Now today I find that rather than respond to emails, they instead post on the Precentral forums. Sep 10 23:41:19 WTF Sep 10 23:43:42 palm posted on the forums? Sep 10 23:43:49 yep, chuq posted Sep 10 23:43:53 Chuq did, anyway, responding to that nanplayer thing Sep 10 23:43:58 I emailed him hours beforehand Sep 10 23:44:13 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/202285-palm-rejects-nanplayer-advanced-music-player-app-catalog-9.html#post1884445 Sep 10 23:44:24 freakout: at least you now know where you stand ;-) Sep 10 23:44:41 rwhitby: yes. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay in the back. Sep 10 23:44:46 freakout: if it's any consolation, he doesn't respond to my emails either. Sep 10 23:44:47 I'd like to know what we did wrong... Sep 10 23:45:02 freakout, be small :) Sep 10 23:45:10 Bloke is meant to be a "Community Manager" Sep 10 23:45:15 rwhitby, er, define how i could be a great alpha tester for something i didn't understand before i wiki'd it? :P Sep 10 23:45:25 Generally I would consider responding to the community part of the job description. Sep 10 23:45:31 Maybe I'm just crazy? Sep 10 23:45:39 hmm reading the post... seems it makes more sense to make a wide annoucnement than answer each person individually Sep 10 23:45:51 tho i guess he couldve responded and said "here's the response *link*" Sep 10 23:45:54 It's ok, we love you tim Sep 10 23:46:38 AnOutsider: not to sound self-important, but i'd hope I get a little more attention, being a writer for one of the oldest palm fansites on the 'net Sep 10 23:46:40 AnOutsider: freakout is from palminfocenter - what he's saying is that Palm is playing favourites amongst tech blogging sites. Sep 10 23:47:08 zsoc: :) Sep 10 23:48:11 ahh Sep 10 23:48:16 forgive me for not being in the loop ;) Sep 10 23:48:23 Actually, even *some* attention would be nice nowadays. Sep 10 23:48:26 Anyway I'll stop whinging Sep 10 23:48:32 haha its cool man Sep 10 23:48:36 in light of that knowledge i understand Sep 10 23:48:37 but goddamn if it isn't annoying. Sep 10 23:48:56 AnOutsider: :) Sep 10 23:49:53 sprint anouncement on the 5 o clock news Sep 10 23:49:57 about moible to mobile Sep 10 23:50:08 yay for mobile to mobile Sep 10 23:50:12 how does it determine if its a mobile fone Sep 10 23:50:17 like Sep 10 23:50:26 my google vooice # can receive text msges Sep 10 23:50:30 does that count as a mobile fone? Sep 10 23:51:08 and if so, if i do all my calls thru google voice, will i have unlimited minutes no matta who im calling in the us Sep 10 23:51:52 raeb, probably. it's basically already like that as it is with tmobile fav 5 or even sprint offers an unadvertised 5 number deal Sep 10 23:52:05 raeb: "AMA Applied when directly dialing/receiving standard voice calls between domestic wireless numbers as determined when the call is placed using independant third-part and Sprint databases" Sep 10 23:52:25 ah ha! Sep 10 23:52:39 zsoc: tmobile fav 5 is to any 5 numbers, so, its a bit different Sep 10 23:52:40 freakout: we give you love on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Press_Room Sep 10 23:52:45 raeb: from anymobile.sprint.com Sep 10 23:53:43 careful, its a flash site... unfortunately... Sep 10 23:55:09 rwhitby: heh. feelin' the love. Palm just boggle me though. Sep 10 23:55:48 egaudet: the guys from PreLoad are going to check out the virtual keyboard state of the art patch handling code in the postinst and prerm git files. Sep 10 23:56:21 I'm going to be reverting the current ones Sep 10 23:57:48 The ones in the virtual-keyboard.git have that fancy md5sum stuff so they should work well with not touching any file that it isn't sure about during install and uninstall, but I don't like that because then it basically shuts the user out of those files Sep 11 00:12:36 egaudet: ok, here's the thread: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/196307-preload-beta-v1-31-8-1-a-19.html#post1885107 Sep 11 00:20:10 ahh got a phone now Sep 11 00:29:47 rwhitby, http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1885210&posted=1#post1885210 Sep 11 00:30:29 excellent - perhaps start a new thread? Sep 11 00:43:25 raeb.... i dont think it will count google voice as mobile but i do not know.. although i do have pick 5 so i get unlimited calling with my gv number ebing one of the 5 my skype to go number as another Sep 11 00:44:21 Jack87: any way to find out? i wonder what the bill will look like... Sep 11 00:44:48 we will find out as we try it on the next phone bill? Sep 11 00:45:01 raeb, make a call for a few minutes, wait till it shows up online? Sep 11 00:45:03 atleast you can find out it starts next bill cycle Sep 11 00:45:41 Unless you call them and change your plan, or upgrade your phone, or just ask them to add it now Sep 11 00:45:44 i cant check because i have my google voice number as one of my pick 5 :( so time will tell Sep 11 00:46:01 Nothing is stopping you from doing that, they just aren't going to do everyone at once automatically and risk breaking things. Sep 11 00:46:34 Woo hoo, checkers is official! Sep 11 00:46:42 cool :) Sep 11 00:47:21 with gdial pro in the picture if google voice counts as mobile pre owners are golden Sep 11 00:47:35 wtg Sep 11 00:48:45 * oil only submitted dotgame earlier this week xD Sep 11 00:48:58 kense: congrats. Sep 11 00:49:00 dot game is one of my fav oil! Sep 11 00:49:06 Dotgame owns Sep 11 00:49:20 * Decimation__ likes dotgame, but loves blocked :) Sep 11 00:49:21 wow... midway through a post on precentral and the page refreshes with a 504 gateway error Sep 11 00:49:22 the heck lol Sep 11 00:49:42 rwhitby: pong Sep 11 00:49:48 wow, what a delay :) Sep 11 00:49:48 the version i submitted has 2 more themes then the one in pcs catalog Sep 11 00:50:01 the crayon theme that dude made is awesome Sep 11 00:51:00 oil: i like the dot game a lot Sep 11 00:51:02 AnOutsider: happened to me also, lol. Sep 11 00:51:17 yeah Sep 11 00:51:29 and after some more work on preware Sep 11 00:51:30 oil, hello Sep 11 00:51:33 might just submit blockedf Sep 11 00:52:46 blocked is great Sep 11 00:53:09 raeb: you should call sprint and tell them to set it up now Sep 11 00:53:25 ok so what is pick 5 Sep 11 00:53:57 5 numbers for ulimited minutes ? Sep 11 00:54:02 pick 5 lets you call any 5 people you want for free.. you can set that up if they will offer it now Sep 11 00:54:08 free ? Sep 11 00:54:17 can recieve calls from these peoples for free too ? Sep 11 00:54:24 but if you set it up dont make your google voice number one of them so we can find out if it counts as mobile.. yes its free Sep 11 00:54:37 i dunno if they will offer it anymore though considering they have mobiel to mobile now Sep 11 00:54:50 send and recive Sep 11 00:57:51 sprint csr has no idea what im talking about Sep 11 00:58:44 * Decimation__ thinks oil should submit blocked. Sep 11 00:58:44 er, not uncommon for sprint csrs to have no idea in general Sep 11 00:58:51 lol Sep 11 00:59:16 hmm Sep 11 00:59:26 i wonder if i threaten to disco, retention will hook me up Sep 11 00:59:44 wtf is on that dropbear icon? Sep 11 00:59:49 it kind of looks like a bear Sep 11 00:59:52 bear droppings Sep 11 00:59:59 and kind of like a koala Sep 11 01:00:22 So Tor works, although someone I doubt sprint would appreciate one running a tor node on their network. Sep 11 01:00:37 oil: it's a dropbear. Sep 11 01:00:49 oil: http://www.geocities.com/muirnin/db.htm Sep 11 01:01:06 so Sep 11 01:01:12 it doesnt really exist Sep 11 01:01:13 and Sep 11 01:01:16 looks a lot like a koala Sep 11 01:01:26 in that case, it makes perfect sense Sep 11 01:01:41 JackieRipper: how would you like to help with the scripts for the optware bootstrap ipkg in Preware? Sep 11 01:01:43 when i think drop bear Sep 11 01:01:46 i dont think mythical creature Sep 11 01:01:50 you need to talk to their cancelation department Sep 11 01:01:50 i think a brown bear being dropped Sep 11 01:01:53 with like Sep 11 01:01:55 rwhitby: love to Sep 11 01:01:55 speed lines on top of it Sep 11 01:01:56 xD Sep 11 01:02:00 tell them that tmobile's pick 5 will for better for you Sep 11 01:02:10 oil: dropbear is written by an aussie ;-) Sep 11 01:02:13 as for gvoice as mobile to mobile. diater is on it Sep 11 01:02:15 ah Sep 11 01:02:20 while drinking fosters? Sep 11 01:02:24 JackieRipper: do you have the preware/build.git repo checked out? Sep 11 01:02:26 dieter* Sep 11 01:02:39 rwhitby: nope, but I certainly can Sep 11 01:02:49 Jack87: i bet sprint says no Sep 11 01:03:01 then you could bypass all calls though that and get them for free Sep 11 01:03:03 JackieRipper: awesome - take a look at the optware/dropbear/control directory inside it Sep 11 01:03:04 u know, google voice dialers for the pre are cool, but i'd rather have a modification to the built in dialer to allow gvoice dials and operations Sep 11 01:03:09 thats not something sprint wants Sep 11 01:03:10 in the messenger too Sep 11 01:03:32 i dont have a google voice account, but i agree that integration is better Sep 11 01:03:37 but, its not like the sdk has such features Sep 11 01:03:50 you could do it by hacking each app Sep 11 01:03:53 thats about it Sep 11 01:03:54 JackieRipper: the idea is for the ipkg to realise when someone already has optware mounted by the old script, or already has done some sort of lvm partitioning mod, and not do anything in those cases (including where hdb was been mounted in the emulator) Sep 11 01:04:35 ya built in dialer will never have it raeb Sep 11 01:04:39 oil: yeah, big mods to dialer, maybe not so big mods to messenger (maybe just create a new provider type) Sep 11 01:04:52 Jack87: why never, what if i do it rite now Sep 11 01:04:59 im just happy the app catalog now has a google voice client. Sep 11 01:05:09 haha you could do it.. but officialy it will never exist Sep 11 01:05:10 oil: so we need dependencies for the optware stuff too ;-) how can we help? Sep 11 01:05:11 sprint lords will strike me down with thunderbolts and lightning Sep 11 01:05:11 rwhitby: when you say "already has optware mounted" you mean /opt? Or that optware itself is present? Sep 11 01:05:27 i just need to start writing code Sep 11 01:05:30 JackieRipper: /opt is already mounted, no matter how that has been done. Sep 11 01:05:36 yah, never officially, but it'd be dern cool Sep 11 01:06:11 lol, 1.2 should come out. Sep 11 01:06:30 but right now Sep 11 01:06:34 im just gonna take a lil nap xD Sep 11 01:06:42 that sounds nice Sep 11 01:06:43 rwhitby: ok... so a check that /opt is a different filesystem than the root fs should be good enough? Sep 11 01:06:45 oil: sweet. have a good one. Sep 11 01:06:49 lol Sep 11 01:07:18 rwhitby: what's the path to the repo I'm cloning? Sep 11 01:07:46 JackieRipper: git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/build.git - you have commit rights I believe. Sep 11 01:08:33 rwhitby: and I can clone that with git clone git@git.webos-internals.org.... Sep 11 01:08:38 correct? Sep 11 01:08:43 JackieRipper: yep Sep 11 01:08:54 rwhitby: optware got a tiny httpd Sep 11 01:09:00 raeb: yep Sep 11 01:09:04 a number of them Sep 11 01:09:38 gewt, methinks i need to be able to monitor my pre from the internetz Sep 11 01:09:51 that would actually be nice, maybe an app to start/stop httpd and change ports, or an app to open ports in iptables. Sep 11 01:09:59 raeb: there should be wiki pages on doing that already Sep 11 01:10:15 well fancy that Sep 11 01:10:28 raeb, IF YOU CALL SPRINT ABOUT TMOBIE SHIT IT WILL WORK Sep 11 01:10:37 rofl, yeh ? Sep 11 01:11:05 ok, i'll give er a try, say "tmobile has a pick 5 that i'm really considering switching for, do you have a comparable service?" Sep 11 01:11:05 !profanity Jack87 Sep 11 01:11:11 biab - gotta re-bandage my new tat... woohoo I have new ink! Sep 11 01:11:19 im a rebale Sep 11 01:11:25 yeah, dont say TMOBILE Sep 11 01:11:59 lol their antroid phones have it built in and they have pic 5 plan i dunno how they do it Sep 11 01:12:02 JackieRipper: where? i want a calf wrap Sep 11 01:13:44 heya.. two issues/questions... Sep 11 01:13:56 i've intstalled the terminal app.. i just get a blank screen Sep 11 01:14:00 anyone else see that? Sep 11 01:14:20 did you install the plugin? Sep 11 01:14:49 apache + mono = asp.net on the pre xD Sep 11 01:14:51 sevensoft: which wiki page of instructions were you following? please paste the URL. Sep 11 01:14:54 rwhitby, Sep 11 01:14:55 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/202460-open-interoperable-patch-management-proposal.html Sep 11 01:15:04 I'll be back in an hour or so Sep 11 01:15:05 trying to find it now.. Sep 11 01:15:05 egaudet: love the title ;-) Sep 11 01:15:30 I probably should have taken longer to think about it and edit but, it will suffice and kick off the discussions Sep 11 01:15:34 :D Sep 11 01:17:09 bbiab Sep 11 01:17:59 raeb: Tonight I got comedy and tragedy masks on my left bicep/tricep. It's about the size of my hand. Two weeks ago I got Tux the penguin on my right bicep. They'll eventually turn into 1/2 sleeves. Sep 11 01:18:17 Tux the penguin on my right bicep Sep 11 01:18:20 rofl u nerd Sep 11 01:18:22 which pengie ? Sep 11 01:18:34 the classic, non-Mac looking one Sep 11 01:18:40 nice Sep 11 01:18:48 with "got root?" over it Sep 11 01:19:03 heh Sep 11 01:19:04 srsly? Sep 11 01:19:09 unix folks will call u a theif Sep 11 01:19:13 Do you never want to get laid? Sep 11 01:19:17 ;) Sep 11 01:19:22 girls love linux, seriously Sep 11 01:19:28 raeb: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/photo.php?pid=2359537&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=1013673724&id=783672319 Sep 11 01:19:28 they are like "omg is that the matrix?" Sep 11 01:19:29 yeah chix dig linux Sep 11 01:19:42 by girls, you mean guys with long hair? Sep 11 01:19:58 It's healed *a lot* since that pic was taken. The white is pretty smoth now... no pink at all Sep 11 01:20:02 *snort* Sep 11 01:20:11 that pic does not work fo me Sep 11 01:20:14 maybe cuz i have no facebook acot Sep 11 01:20:16 cct Sep 11 01:20:18 acct* Sep 11 01:20:20 ahhh Sep 11 01:21:06 You work for GE Jackie? Sep 11 01:21:17 roflmao linux chicks: http://erkdog.netho.tk/linux-chiks/ Sep 11 01:21:47 photochop Sep 11 01:21:59 raeb: http://unixgeeks.biz/images/tux_tat.jpg Sep 11 01:22:17 rofl thats sweet Sep 11 01:22:19 Eguy: I'm a contractor, but I have a cool title :) Sep 11 01:22:58 Senior Global Unix Server Engineer Sep 11 01:23:26 My work bus card says God :) Sep 11 01:23:48 Egod Sep 11 01:23:53 JackieRipper, that's awesome Sep 11 01:24:05 sorry raeb Sep 11 01:24:06 I have a dumb question.. Sep 11 01:24:08 lol Sep 11 01:24:16 You can actual rearrange any of the words except Engineer Sep 11 01:24:28 and Server Sep 11 01:24:32 http://erkdog.netho.tk/dad-mom-aim.txt <-- i don't know who this guy is, but i love his dad Sep 11 01:25:04 lol @ JackieRipper no u cant, you unix senior Sep 11 01:25:11 Has the limitation on the # of apps you can install at one time been tweaked yet? Sep 11 01:25:14 god damn /var I can't use the app catalog now Sep 11 01:25:26 can't get any of the new apps today Sep 11 01:25:41 Unix Senior Global Server Engineer Sep 11 01:25:42 theres new apps in appcat ? Sep 11 01:25:47 tons Sep 11 01:25:48 Si Sep 11 01:25:51 gDial Pro Sep 11 01:25:55 Lights out Sep 11 01:25:56 Checkers Sep 11 01:26:00 sounds wierd, maybe if you put a ~ above the n Sep 11 01:26:05 Forbses Sep 11 01:26:07 lol Sep 11 01:26:58 So back to my original question, is ther ea way around the XX # of apps installed at once? Sep 11 01:27:00 argh Sep 11 01:27:04 no there isn't Sep 11 01:27:12 and it is REALLY pissing me off Sep 11 01:27:33 That has to be a setting in Luna or in a config file somewhere Sep 11 01:27:40 I can't imagine that being hard coded Sep 11 01:27:42 even if you delete homebrew it does not help Sep 11 01:27:43 "! app catalog is unavailable. try again later. foo." Sep 11 01:28:02 thats what my phone says Sep 11 01:28:09 when trying to appcatalogue it Sep 11 01:28:24 worked for me Sep 11 01:28:24 Well once the app catalog gets over 50 in size, there is going to be a problem. Sep 11 01:28:34 except I can't install Sep 11 01:28:38 (*^*(^#(*@ Sep 11 01:28:54 is the limit 50? Sep 11 01:28:54 There are more than 50 Sep 11 01:28:55 rofl, over 50 in size Sep 11 01:28:57 IF I try to isntall ALL the apps in the app catalog (if there were 50 or more) it wouldn't let me do more. Sep 11 01:29:03 how many apps are in iphone store ? Sep 11 01:29:08 like a gazillion ? Sep 11 01:29:16 +/- 10 Sep 11 01:29:18 I could only get like 50 or 60 inswtalled Sep 11 01:29:26 it's almost over 9000 Sep 11 01:29:28 There are over 60 apps in the catalog Sep 11 01:29:39 homebrew+app cat and after like 50 or so, I couldn't install anymore. Sep 11 01:29:46 yep, you have a limited space to install apps... Sep 11 01:29:55 No, space was in abundance Sep 11 01:29:55 thats just a big pile of weaksauce Sep 11 01:30:01 preware doesnt have that limit though, iirc Sep 11 01:30:30 There was plenty of space left in the partition apps get installed to Sep 11 01:30:36 DeCiBeL: the place where you install apps is limited. hopefully theyincrease limit in the future... Sep 11 01:30:40 The limit isn't a size, it's a setting, like was mentioned earlier. Preware apparently just circumvents it during the install process. I'm sure one of these dweebs could explain it better :) Sep 11 01:30:43 it's like it was limiting it off # of apps, not size of app. Sep 11 01:30:53 got the terminal thing going.. uninstalled terminal and the plugin and reinstalled.. Sep 11 01:31:09 sevensoft, glad, what are your plans with using the terminal? Sep 11 01:31:10 you can always install an app with ipkg Sep 11 01:31:20 which preware uses Sep 11 01:31:32 app catalog uses some lame shit that obviously does not work Sep 11 01:31:34 preware installs to /var Sep 11 01:31:39 does it not? Sep 11 01:31:39 zsoc: play :) Sep 11 01:31:51 ipkg -o /var install .ipkg Sep 11 01:32:00 be able to browse my device when i'm bored or want to find something.. Sep 11 01:32:11 right, but app cat. doesn't install to /var Sep 11 01:32:19 sevensoft, ps -e is fun. Sep 11 01:32:42 also mv'ing pictures you don't want people to see outside of /media/internal Sep 11 01:32:45 but even with like 40 or 50 preware installed apps in /var, I STILl couldn't install apps from App Catalog. Sep 11 01:32:55 the catalog does install to var Sep 11 01:33:10 I thought it didn't. Sep 11 01:33:13 It does Sep 11 01:33:51 is that why preware shows all installed apps including those from catalog? Sep 11 01:33:53 zsoc: yeah.. nice Sep 11 01:33:54 Regardless.. I have seen ipods/iphjones with 100's of apps installed Sep 11 01:34:11 app catalog is a piece of crap Sep 11 01:34:17 which i think i stupid... Sep 11 01:34:31 there is plenty of DRIVE space.. it's like its limiting the # of installed so Luna doesn't have to deal with them all or something Sep 11 01:34:36 yeah Sep 11 01:34:42 I only have 40% used in var Sep 11 01:34:58 "Sorry, Not Enough Room" Sep 11 01:35:01 yeah right Sep 11 01:35:04 no your not Sep 11 01:35:15 Have you called Palm support? Sep 11 01:35:18 cant you just patch it to ignore the setting or something? Sep 11 01:35:22 and asked why that is? and if they are working on a fix for it? Sep 11 01:35:22 Screw that Sep 11 01:35:55 It's a beta app catalog problem imo Sep 11 01:36:13 hopefully gets fixed in 1.2 or something Sep 11 01:36:16 nope Sep 11 01:36:27 it will be fixed when the catalog is out of beta Sep 11 01:36:28 nope, 1.2 its still there Sep 11 01:36:38 which 1.2 was SUPPOSED to bring it out of beta Sep 11 01:36:41 woah! Sep 11 01:36:49 it downloaded the app Sep 11 01:36:51 That was the rumor. Sep 11 01:36:58 install failed Sep 11 01:37:02 LOL Sep 11 01:37:06 well, it could be the leaked isnt the final version Sep 11 01:37:10 piece of bleep Sep 11 01:37:14 That's what I would get with FileCoaster Sep 11 01:37:38 After I installed so many with FileCoaster (before Preware) I would get "install error" on everythign I tried Sep 11 01:37:51 so it's not the app cat Sep 11 01:38:06 I never had problems Sep 11 01:38:33 The other thing I dislike? Sep 11 01:38:34 ive gotten a few install errors with preware but restart the phone revealed that the app was installed just fine actually Sep 11 01:38:43 Palm restoring all apps after a reset Sep 11 01:38:51 what is wrong with that Sep 11 01:38:52 There should be an option NOT to do that.. Sep 11 01:38:58 saves the hassle Sep 11 01:39:05 When you have 50 installed, a reset takes about an hour Sep 11 01:39:14 Found that out the other day, that's why I deleted everything. Sep 11 01:39:28 There is an option to not install after reset.. it's called creating a new palm profile with a diff email address. Sep 11 01:39:30 I better not have to do webos dr to fix the catalog Sep 11 01:39:40 The Pre is really starting to piss me off Sep 11 01:40:10 webOS was way too premature for primetime....massive mistake to release it already Sep 11 01:40:41 I would of rather had a Pre with POS at this point ffs... Sep 11 01:40:44 if anyone has 3 minutes and doesn't mind their jaw dropping: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/29/lightning-fast-robot.html Sep 11 01:41:34 AnOutsider: ping Sep 11 01:41:43 restart pre egaudet Sep 11 01:41:47 Eguy, Sep 11 01:41:53 Lol webOS is epic, you're in the wrong room man Sep 11 01:42:04 it is but its soooooooooooooo buggy Sep 11 01:42:18 it is still in development process Sep 11 01:42:27 No bugs here Sep 11 01:42:29 I would call it webos .9.5 right now Sep 11 01:42:47 Well it would call you Eguy 0.9.5 right now Sep 11 01:42:53 zsoc: no lag? No delay? < 1 minute boot? Sep 11 01:43:13 audio playback from apps is crap right now Sep 11 01:43:15 Who cares about boot? I have no problem with lag/delay, if any. much faster than a curve :P Sep 11 01:43:17 i'm stuck Sep 11 01:43:20 Doesnloads from the app catalog work every time? Sep 11 01:43:25 downloads* Sep 11 01:43:31 That's an app catalog oversight. Sep 11 01:43:35 it'll be fixed Sep 11 01:43:41 If you don't like the thing, go buy a tour Sep 11 01:43:42 Even my centro is better right now lol Sep 11 01:43:57 no oversights on a final product my friend Sep 11 01:44:02 or the HTC hero Sep 11 01:44:06 you test this stuff before the release Sep 11 01:44:26 you don't release it and go "Oh, those are minor problems" Sep 11 01:44:42 the htc hero is definitely cool, especially with the new skin Sep 11 01:44:48 yes Sep 11 01:44:53 I wouldn't mind getting one Sep 11 01:45:03 though, i prefer webos over android Sep 11 01:45:11 I am tempted to reactivate my centro until the Pre isn't screwed up Sep 11 01:45:25 I am too hyper for lag Sep 11 01:45:33 you can and then use the pre as a wifi tablet thingy Sep 11 01:45:54 or a paper magnet Sep 11 01:46:02 I apologize in advance to any listening/reading palm devs, but the centro is really, really crappy. seriously. Sep 11 01:46:10 the phone lag is the thing that pisses me off the most. i dont really mind the lag pretty much every where else Sep 11 01:46:21 why zsoc? Sep 11 01:46:38 use a 700p before you make any negative comments about the centro Sep 11 01:46:41 it's unintuitive, nearly unusable, and backwards. Sep 11 01:47:16 eh? Sep 11 01:47:34 ehat is a sprint premier account Sep 11 01:47:46 what* Sep 11 01:47:48 anyone know? Sep 11 01:47:59 you pay more than $69.99 a month Sep 11 01:48:02 you get it Sep 11 01:48:07 It's worthless Sep 11 01:48:09 Er, not true. Sep 11 01:48:11 they don't give you anything Sep 11 01:48:13 And it's _very_ worth it. Sep 11 01:48:17 They give you 12 month upgrades Sep 11 01:48:23 big deal Sep 11 01:48:43 Big deal? At 1 year, it's the difference between a free phone and a $300 phone. Sep 11 01:49:09 I usually wait 2 years anyway Sep 11 01:49:19 zsoc hates the Centro? Sep 11 01:49:25 * freakout <3's it Sep 11 01:49:32 so it doesnt do you any good other than a 12 month upgrade Sep 11 01:49:33 lol, i hated the centro. Sep 11 01:49:34 so it doesnt do you any good other than a 12 month upgrade Sep 11 01:49:36 Except for the damn GSM limitation to 2G Sep 11 01:49:40 look who woke up Sep 11 01:49:46 You do, maybe, but there are thousands of people that save a ridiculous amount of money that way, especially when they break their things. Sep 11 01:49:54 haha. been lurking all morning, just choking on bitterness Sep 11 01:50:01 http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/6714/#154650 Sep 11 01:50:09 I already choked on bitterness ;) Sep 11 01:50:21 I'm washing it down with fresh coffee. :) Sep 11 01:50:45 I am washing it down with smashing my pre :D Sep 11 01:50:49 lol Sep 11 01:50:50 with a hammer Sep 11 01:50:53 don't do that! Sep 11 01:50:55 give it to me Sep 11 01:50:55 that always fixes the problem Sep 11 01:50:58 i'll do it for you :P Sep 11 01:51:06 hahaha Sep 11 01:51:07 Eguy: you should shoot it with a gun, like that guy did with his iphone Sep 11 01:51:08 I can give you a Treo 600 to smash with a hammer if you give me your Pre Sep 11 01:51:14 Screen's already broken, but you can pretend Sep 11 01:51:35 I drove over one of my phones with my car, I don't remember which one it was though Sep 11 01:51:44 I shot a computer ones Sep 11 01:51:45 once Sep 11 01:51:53 and then smashed it with a sledge hammer Sep 11 01:52:00 to dust Sep 11 01:52:19 nice Sep 11 01:52:25 baseball bat as well? Sep 11 01:52:32 not strong enough Sep 11 01:52:51 I'm a sprint customer because I've been with them for 12 years now Sep 11 01:52:54 sprint premier* Sep 11 01:53:01 I'm sorry :P Sep 11 01:53:11 psykoz, yes, tenure limit is 8 or 10 years i think Sep 11 01:53:12 Sorry? Sep 11 01:53:19 Eguy, are you drunk? Sep 11 01:53:21 I have been with all 4 within the last 12 years Sep 11 01:53:33 zsoc: drunk at 7pm? nah Sep 11 01:53:40 Well I've been on several carriers of course Sep 11 01:53:50 Eguy, you seem to be extremely angry at everything tonight Sep 11 01:54:07 Alltel, Cingular, Tmobile, Nextel, Sprint, local cell phone startups when they were popular in the late 90's Sep 11 01:54:07 you do too sometimes ;) Sep 11 01:54:24 Eguy, true that. Sep 11 01:54:24 ive only been with sprint for 2 years... Sep 11 01:54:48 zsoc: Speak your mind much? Sep 11 01:55:24 who is willing to download some of these new apps and zip em up and send them to us 1.2 users Sep 11 01:55:37 lol Sep 11 01:55:41 :) Sep 11 01:55:49 * Eguy has a feeling when 1.2 really comes out the people who have 1.2 will get bricked by the update Sep 11 01:56:05 I will ROFL if that happens Sep 11 01:56:08 eguy: not so much... Sep 11 01:57:07 Eguy: might not be bricked, but definiftely not recommended to update automatically. Sep 11 01:57:46 I bet there will be a difference in the new 1.2 vs the webos dr one Sep 11 01:58:28 Eguy: most likely, itunes syncing, thats my theory to why it was delayed from tuesday Sep 11 02:00:07 good point gkatsev Sep 11 02:00:15 hopefully led notifications Sep 11 02:00:20 I doubt that though Sep 11 02:00:37 catalog out of beta? nah Sep 11 02:01:15 maybe itll be RC? Sep 11 02:02:57 Sprint sees that your landline is a landline, and does a nifty automagic conversion from text to unintelligible computer voice. Sep 11 02:02:58 When you text a GV from Sprint, they don't convert it to unintelligible voice, right? So I'd vote that GV # is a mobile #. Sep 11 02:02:58 @nismogizmo - So does that mean that foreign providers differentiate between US landline and cells for call pricing? Sep 11 02:03:18 sorry that was a copy paste now i dunno! Sep 11 02:03:58 The answer is yes Sep 11 02:04:28 Assuming there was a question. Even calling other countries, many US carriers charge different rates for landline vs mobile Sep 11 02:05:29 lol app catalog rc Sep 11 02:05:58 right, app catalog RC, then RTM, then GA, right? Sep 11 02:06:07 GM Sep 11 02:06:12 same thing Sep 11 02:06:13 RC2 Sep 11 02:06:15 ignore that last part zsoc Sep 11 02:06:17 you forgot Sep 11 02:06:25 question is still is gvoice land or mobie Sep 11 02:06:32 mobile* Sep 11 02:06:38 my GV is mobile Sep 11 02:06:42 at least in the white pages Sep 11 02:06:59 oh, right, beta 1, beta2, beta3, beta4, beta5, rc, rc2, rtm, ga, gm, gold, diamond, platinum Sep 11 02:07:05 yes Sep 11 02:07:16 * gkatsev waits for app catalog platinum Sep 11 02:07:18 we are at beta 4 months Sep 11 02:07:29 right now Sep 11 02:08:41 gkatsev: got audio working, but it lags like a mofo Sep 11 02:08:48 it's a known issue. ugh. Sep 11 02:09:01 lag? on webos? Sep 11 02:09:04 what? Sep 11 02:09:05 nebula1: cool. hopefully fixed soon Sep 11 02:09:09 Eguy: lol Sep 11 02:09:30 anyway as for this cell to cell being added on next bill cycle i just looked at my account looks like i have it now... my bill cycle is not over yet Sep 11 02:10:19 Jack87, if you called CS they prolly updated your features. Sep 11 02:10:20 Hmm. I suppose if I use the undocumented media service for a flickr uploader, it ain't getting in the catalog Sep 11 02:10:32 i have no zsoc Sep 11 02:10:36 anymobile has been added automatically for free to all everything data subscribers Sep 11 02:10:38 lmorchard, seems that way Sep 11 02:10:50 gkatsev, yes, as of their next billing cycle Sep 11 02:11:00 gkatsev, It was said for next bill cycle Sep 11 02:11:10 zsoc: you sure? i got the feeling that instatly... Sep 11 02:11:18 actually, I wonder if they're working on flickr for the photos app. the sharing choices they have seem odd Sep 11 02:11:19 but maybe they consider me as one of the premimum peeps i dunno i been with them for 5 years Sep 11 02:11:24 maybe the APIs were easier to use Sep 11 02:12:16 A lot of hating in here tonight D: and not just me. is this some type of intervention to prove how irritating i am? Sep 11 02:12:20 I get the sprint premium junk mail every month Sep 11 02:12:22 yes photobucket = lame Sep 11 02:12:34 but I got a phone for free, so I'll tolerate it Sep 11 02:12:38 yes zsoc: we all pulled together Sep 11 02:12:45 you need help Sep 11 02:12:47 hahaaha Sep 11 02:13:19 Eguy: send your Pre to me please. Sep 11 02:13:44 anyone ever have the problem of novaterm erroring on every keystroke? ;x Sep 11 02:14:35 * Eguy mails pre to rwhitby Sep 11 02:14:40 ......after smashing it Sep 11 02:15:05 It's a federal offense to send smashed pre's to australia Sep 11 02:15:24 hahaha Sep 11 02:15:24 Eguy: thats mean. Sep 11 02:15:54 well I already smashed the screen in Sep 11 02:15:59 time for the motherboard Sep 11 02:16:21 why are you smashing your Pre? Sep 11 02:16:26 Eguy: wouldve been meaner if you hadnt told him you smashed it before hand. he wouldve been all like "sweet! my pre came" and then be like "noooooooo!" Sep 11 02:16:29 cause I am cr@zy Sep 11 02:16:37 hahahahahhaha Sep 11 02:16:44 i think it is automatically applied Sep 11 02:16:44 that is really really mean gkatsev Sep 11 02:16:48 Pictures or it didn't happen Sep 11 02:17:05 Eguy: hey, it was your idea Sep 11 02:17:51 who's excited for facebook's complete twitterification? you can now do @replies Sep 11 02:19:05 http://twitter.com/akumu/statuses/3902561248 Sep 11 02:19:24 gkatsev, I'd be excited, if you didn't lose the rights to anything you say or upload to your facebook account the second you do it, and if you could delete it without them keeping a permanent copy. Sep 11 02:20:21 wow what baout this one.. Sep 11 02:20:44 are 406 numbers mobile or landline Sep 11 02:20:46 . zsoc: yeah, facebook is just copying twitter. ive pretty much moved to twitter a while back, get much more use from twitter, and i can post to facebook from twitter, which is what i do Sep 11 02:20:57 Jack87: 406 is an area code, no? Sep 11 02:21:10 yes Sep 11 02:21:23 then it can be either mobile or landline Sep 11 02:21:25 but a 406 number is the number google assighns you for people Sep 11 02:21:38 406 is not a normal area code Sep 11 02:21:42 its not to an area its to google Sep 11 02:22:06 Hehe, Palm is stoned, they approved an app with "4:20" in its title ;) Sep 11 02:22:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_code_406 Sep 11 02:22:16 I know Sep 11 02:22:50 Jack87: so... 406 is montana and google, lol Sep 11 02:23:05 haha i see Sep 11 02:23:09 Yes, Google bought up a shitton of Montana's Area Code :) Sep 11 02:23:10 my google voice number is 573-GKATSEV Sep 11 02:23:26 gkatsev, gotcha :) Sep 11 02:23:26 They use it heavily for their SMS anonymising/relaying Sep 11 02:23:34 the thing is a 406 number is assighned to each google voice user's contacts Sep 11 02:23:57 so 406 321 4567 is different for me tha nit is for gkatsev Sep 11 02:24:00 What Jack87 is about to say Sep 11 02:24:12 brb Sep 11 02:24:21 it calls one contact for me a different contact to the other user Sep 11 02:25:08 but in general are these 406 numbers mobile or land line.... i guess it doesnt matter ebcause 406 numbers are given to you when you text someone... and they text you back so texting makes it assighned to a mobile Sep 11 02:25:32 only good reason to know though is so you can use it without using a third party dialer and people will see your google number in the caller id Sep 11 02:26:05 If I'm not mistaken, google owns the entire area code Sep 11 02:26:24 well, let's be clear Sep 11 02:26:29 about this time in 5-10 years Sep 11 02:26:33 Google will own the entire * Sep 11 02:27:04 yes Sep 11 02:27:05 http://video.yahoo.com/network/100345142?v=5727090&l=3808099 Sep 11 02:27:10 Google owns the world Sep 11 02:27:27 hehe i love that video psykoz Sep 11 02:27:34 Jack87, :) Sep 11 02:28:47 I can't wait till google releases their own mobile network. It'll start in america. "Free everything". You'll just buy your equipment and agree that google can track you everywhere, listen to all your calls, and map your entire life. Sep 11 02:32:05 sounds fair :) Sep 11 02:43:02 im down zsoc Sep 11 02:45:02 Actually, it might not be terrible to be able to search my conversations by tag cloud Sep 11 02:45:34 "You totally said it was broken", "No I didn't, here look at the transcription of the conversation, I said *building*, not broken". Sep 11 02:45:41 I think I just accidentally wrote an xkcd comic. Sep 11 02:45:51 bbl Sep 11 02:46:08 so while attempting to setup bash shell i'm unable to write to /etc/ and I dont have any rootfs_open binary, anyone know which opt package has that? Sep 11 02:46:15 (or do I need to be in dev mode) Sep 11 02:46:36 mount -o remount,rw / Sep 11 02:46:47 oh can do just it that way Sep 11 02:46:49 k ty Sep 11 02:51:50 how do you do screenshot on emulator? Sep 11 02:51:53 punzada: I suspect you haven't used the -i switch on sudo, and therefore don't have /sbin on your path Sep 11 02:53:07 I have not Sep 11 02:53:19 although I think I may have to use novaterm again Sep 11 02:53:23 i think i just locked myself out of ssh Sep 11 02:59:02 im still old school Sep 11 02:59:13 i use pyton with talk.py and telenet via putty Sep 11 02:59:16 works the best if you ask me Sep 11 02:59:37 I wonder what I will use when I get my pre. Probably ssh over bluetooth. Sep 11 02:59:57 after ssh is setup then i do ssh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 11 03:00:00 2009