**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 11 03:00:00 2009 Sep 11 03:00:04 but initially i use telnet via putty Sep 11 03:00:21 bluetooth is too slow for my blood lol Sep 11 03:00:26 genreally use usbnet Sep 11 03:00:33 ah, I'll develop a Preware package to do what I need to get ssh going from scratch ... Sep 11 03:00:45 thats what im waiting for rod Sep 11 03:00:46 haha Sep 11 03:01:04 we went over this with your little scheme idea Sep 11 03:01:08 how is that going anyway Sep 11 03:01:26 I never do anything manually - I always publicly package it. That way if my Pre and my computer blow up at the same time I can always restore to where I was from public repositories .... Sep 11 03:02:23 i guess via web os quick install Sep 11 03:02:38 and terminal service/terminal app you can set up ssh on pre Sep 11 03:02:43 Linus taught me this: "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it" Sep 11 03:03:10 linus is my hero Sep 11 03:03:41 you should have auto imput for ssh in terminal app Sep 11 03:03:43 hehe Sep 11 03:03:43 http://www.linuxscrew.com/2007/10/14/fun-linus-torvalds-quotes-top-10/ Sep 11 03:03:51 list of commands in terminal Sep 11 03:04:00 oil rod... what do you think guys Sep 11 03:04:10 also copy and paste :) Sep 11 03:04:44 have a button to set up ssh and one to set up quilt Sep 11 03:04:46 you know, yesterday we were talking about the whole native apps on webos thing. and it was mentioned that it doesn't seem possible to do this right now. you have to kill luna and use directfb or something.. Sep 11 03:04:50 terminal is destinal's baby Sep 11 03:04:51 but i thought of something later Sep 11 03:05:03 doesn't webos have a media player? Sep 11 03:05:22 also, that "classic" app that runs palmos apps. Sep 11 03:05:31 Azalyn: yes, it's possible. we did terminal the same way Sep 11 03:05:33 oh.... destinal... did you hear what i said Sep 11 03:05:40 those can't be written in html/css/javascript Sep 11 03:06:10 destinal: i thought terminal was like a mojo frontend that connected to some native app backend or something Sep 11 03:06:10 Azalyn: classic, media player, terminal.. all utilize browser plugins for the heavy lifting Sep 11 03:06:19 ah.. Sep 11 03:06:50 destinal, have terminal have the ability to auto run the two wget and scripts on this page... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Sep 11 03:06:51 Jack87: well the idea of making macros for terminal is a good one Sep 11 03:07:01 ooo Sep 11 03:07:06 custom macros! i like that Sep 11 03:07:23 rwhitby, usbnet is really nice surprisingly Sep 11 03:07:25 at very least just hotkeyable commands Sep 11 03:08:01 rwhitby, you will most likly use usbnet when not on mac.. but on mac you can not Sep 11 03:08:15 zsoc: I'm thinking touchstone and bluetooth Sep 11 03:08:19 no wires thanks Sep 11 03:08:29 destinal, indeed this will inhence pre terminal a ton Sep 11 03:08:32 Azalyn: media player and classic and terminal all use mojo front ends Sep 11 03:08:51 yeah but.. they have to have some overlay Sep 11 03:08:57 Azalyn: they embed NPAPI browser plugin and talk to it via npruntime javascript methods Sep 11 03:09:15 for the actual video (for the media player for example) Sep 11 03:09:15 hmm - that reminds me, I'll have to find a good source for a couple of touchstones and some micro-usb cables and get them shipped too Sep 11 03:09:18 the browser plugin can write to the screen buffer directly for graphics and receive other events from Luna such as keystrokes Sep 11 03:09:37 rwhitby, precentral? Lol Sep 11 03:09:56 zsoc: probably. maybe Dieter will give me a discount ... Sep 11 03:09:57 monoprice will get you the micro usbs for $0.70-$0.90USD a piece Sep 11 03:10:11 so it's just the ui toolkit widgets that are limited to mojo, you could technically create an app that runs in a window or something that does something resource intensive Sep 11 03:10:12 monoprice.com is where i got mine Sep 11 03:10:14 rwhitby, how is the get-rod-a-pre donation fund going ? Sep 11 03:10:14 through a plugin Sep 11 03:10:18 as for touchstones.. good luck Sep 11 03:10:21 bpadalino: $85 Sep 11 03:10:27 like maybe j2me Sep 11 03:10:27 they are pricy Sep 11 03:10:28 awesome - congrats Sep 11 03:10:29 or whatever Sep 11 03:10:44 bpadalino: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-general-chat/202126-rwhitby-needs-pre.html just in case anyone forgot where it was ... ;-) Sep 11 03:10:45 which is how browsers embed java into a webpage. Sep 11 03:10:50 heh Sep 11 03:11:47 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002CMEIWU/ref=sr_1_olp_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1252638676&sr=8-1 Sep 11 03:11:51 Azalyn: yup, java, flash, etc Sep 11 03:11:56 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002CMEIWK/ref=sr_1_olp_2?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1252638676&sr=8-2 Sep 11 03:12:01 those are for rwhitby Sep 11 03:12:34 now shipping to aus will be a bitch Sep 11 03:12:42 amazon.co.au? Sep 11 03:13:03 Jack87: I have a "shipping agent" sorted out - he gets stuff for me all the time, repackages and ships. Sep 11 03:13:13 perfect Sep 11 03:13:15 http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?spcDB=10303&spcWord=USB+Cable&keyword=micro%20usb Sep 11 03:13:25 i bought like 10 cables Sep 11 03:13:34 (e.g. he keeps the heavy useless 110V power adapters and stuff to save shipping cost) Sep 11 03:13:37 dont buy the wall charger or car charger both are worthless form mono price Sep 11 03:13:45 and maybe even a 3d game or something. (the pre has powervr right?) Sep 11 03:15:00 Azalyn: I know it has a 3d chipset. powervr, is it? Sep 11 03:15:03 Azalyn, i wouldn't consider the Pre's hardware as consequence. By the time we get to that point, we'll have new hardware. Sep 11 03:16:07 zsoc: uh, I doubt that Sep 11 03:16:15 i haven't even bought one yet and you're talking about it being obsolete? :| Sep 11 03:16:52 destinal, sorry, i'm so used to the 6-month syndrome most cell phones have these days, I suppose this is a different situation Sep 11 03:16:55 Azalyn: on the bright side Nokia's releasing the N900 soon with the same OMAP as the pre Sep 11 03:17:04 I might get one tomorrow, with bell. bell lets you get it for 45 a month (200 down) Sep 11 03:17:15 that's in canada. heh Sep 11 03:17:21 so we may have tons of source code for doing interesting things Sep 11 03:17:24 destinal: yeah, N900 is interesting. would have the right phone bands for me too ... Sep 11 03:17:47 destinal: from what i saw in the wiki, only three drivers appear to be binary drivers Sep 11 03:17:48 noooo, don't leave us rod, you're out only hope! :D Sep 11 03:17:52 one is the DSP Sep 11 03:17:58 rwhitby: it may even be possible to run webos on it, though you'd have to have a valid copy of the os from somewhere Sep 11 03:18:02 s/out/our Sep 11 03:18:17 infobot is slow Sep 11 03:18:17 and apparently there's this openzoom project, where they're already working on an android port and an openmoko port to the chipset. Sep 11 03:18:19 destinal: I'll just grab it from a CDMA Pre .. Sep 11 03:18:28 my pro Sep 11 03:18:30 pre Sep 11 03:18:34 that is smashes Sep 11 03:18:37 Eguy: that's an invalid sed expression - you need the trailing / Sep 11 03:18:37 smashed Sep 11 03:19:01 Eguy: the one I got in the post from you today? Sep 11 03:19:07 yes Sep 11 03:19:11 Uh, pretty sure infobot only kicks in if you're voicd Sep 11 03:19:16 if all of that works out.. this could end up being what the neo freerunner wanted to be. (although the freerunner was also open hardware.. they had cads for the case and board, and verilog stuff i think) Sep 11 03:19:19 s/voicd/voiced/ Sep 11 03:19:19 zsoc meant: Uh, pretty sure infobot only kicks in if you're voiced Sep 11 03:19:23 Oh, I guess not :) Sep 11 03:19:25 nope Sep 11 03:19:33 infobot are you hungry? Sep 11 03:19:35 * zsoc failed so many times Sep 11 03:19:39 ~botsnack Sep 11 03:19:40 Eguy: thanks Sep 11 03:19:48 good boy Sep 11 03:19:52 it would've been nice if the gsm pre was out.. :\ Sep 11 03:20:02 all in good time Sep 11 03:20:10 it's kind of unsettling buying such an expensive phone that isn't world-capable Sep 11 03:20:17 i dislike nokia Sep 11 03:20:21 It would be nice if there was no lag/50 app limit/beta app catalog/1.2/etc/etc ;) Sep 11 03:20:22 ever since they killed veri chat Sep 11 03:20:24 who needs to travel the world ? Sep 11 03:20:32 god damn nokia! Sep 11 03:20:44 what is this world you speak of? Sep 11 03:20:53 Someone convinced me the other day that the lag was caused by software-rendering. Sep 11 03:20:57 :P Sep 11 03:21:10 Lag is caused by premature release Sep 11 03:21:19 i saw a demo pre at the store today.. like one of those plastic models with no circuitry. Sep 11 03:21:27 man that keyboard is small.. i hope i get used to it. Sep 11 03:21:31 you do Sep 11 03:21:36 you really do Sep 11 03:21:38 you totally do Sep 11 03:21:46 :| Sep 11 03:21:48 i vote verichat for the pre Sep 11 03:21:48 you absolutely do Sep 11 03:21:51 pre keyboard is OK .. but i still make mistakes Sep 11 03:22:04 bold keyboard is the best by far Sep 11 03:22:05 * zsoc was wholly against qwerty before the pre, he was a t9/word masta Sep 11 03:22:06 bpadalino, pre keyboard is flawless Sep 11 03:22:07 cause it is HUGE Sep 11 03:22:08 Pixi's is supposed to be beter Sep 11 03:22:09 hey, there's something official on n900 now Sep 11 03:22:10 http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ Sep 11 03:22:13 I guess once I get a real Pre I'll be incentivised to do a binary patch for the installer service to remove the 50 app limit ... Sep 11 03:22:17 i'll have a reason to keep my nails properly manicured. :| Sep 11 03:22:22 kesne_, Pixi's is physically smaller i hear Sep 11 03:22:32 rm -rf app limit.js LOL Sep 11 03:22:33 since i won't be able to press the keys properly otherwise. Sep 11 03:22:47 rwhitby, i'm sure it'll be a fix shortly, very shortly Sep 11 03:22:54 Yes, it is, but I hear that it works better over all Sep 11 03:22:57 Like it clicks better Sep 11 03:22:59 zsoc: i would like to learn t9 Sep 11 03:23:06 destinal, ... nokia is evil! Sep 11 03:23:07 my screen clicks like a BB storm LOL Sep 11 03:23:07 Eguy, why would you recursively delete a .js file? :> Sep 11 03:23:21 since it seems useful to know how to do one-handed texting Sep 11 03:23:23 zsoc: because we REALLY want to remove the app limit ;) Sep 11 03:23:24 i still never use the center button on the pre ... :( Sep 11 03:23:31 Jack87: yeah, but while this is a webos channel, I wouldn't mind being able to switch between luna and maemo Sep 11 03:23:45 Azalyn, are you speaking of pre keyboard or pixi Sep 11 03:23:45 ah, good N900 is quad band GSM Sep 11 03:23:45 Pre + ubuntu Sep 11 03:23:55 maybe there will eventually be a touchscreen t9 keyboard. heh Sep 11 03:23:56 Why is everyone obsesses with ubuntu? Sep 11 03:24:02 Jack87: before? i was talking about the pre. Sep 11 03:24:06 why? does it make you mad? Sep 11 03:24:09 i saw a model of it in stores today. Sep 11 03:24:24 not mad, just curious Sep 11 03:24:31 and full of tense-based typos Sep 11 03:24:34 Azalyn, pre slider might get in the way for nails Sep 11 03:24:35 ubuntu is bold in saying they wanted to make the entire distribution ARM compatible by the end of the year Sep 11 03:24:39 at least that's what i thought i read Sep 11 03:24:58 Azalyn, but it is not too small dont let looks and crackberry propoganda scare you Sep 11 03:25:01 canonical is literally crazy. in a good way tho i suppose. Sep 11 03:25:26 Honestly I'd own a tour is the pre didn't exist. I always liked Palm, as a company, but I never could get into their products before now. Sep 11 03:25:36 s/is/if Sep 11 03:26:12 ubuntu is just easy linux its really not that great Sep 11 03:26:17 Jack87: I was hitting other buttons. although i did only have like 15 seconds with it.. so yeah, not exactly a good amount of time to judge. Sep 11 03:26:17 Ubuntu didn't really make that bold of a claim Sep 11 03:26:17 but i like the cube effect hehe Sep 11 03:26:29 Debian has had various arm support for a very long time Sep 11 03:26:33 anyway, debian is already ARM Sep 11 03:26:37 trust me Azalyn you will be just fine i promise Sep 11 03:26:46 What chrisa said. Debian ftw. Sep 11 03:26:47 ok. :| Sep 11 03:26:57 red hat Sep 11 03:27:02 wooot woot Sep 11 03:27:04 Eguy: REDHATE Sep 11 03:27:09 LOL Sep 11 03:27:09 yeah i suppose .. it still takes a lot of time to make sure everything works .. Sep 11 03:27:10 loonix Sep 11 03:27:11 Jack87, Cube effect is Compiz, which is supported in any X environment that supports DRI Sep 11 03:27:23 what would be leet right now. Sep 11 03:27:26 would be an irc app. Sep 11 03:27:39 * zsoc finds his Mandrake 9.0 cds laying a drawer Sep 11 03:27:51 mandrake Sep 11 03:27:57 haahahahahahahhaha Sep 11 03:28:17 Mandrake 9.0 came with gnome 1.2 if i remember correctly, back when gnome was the lesser used gui Sep 11 03:28:21 * destinal lost his slackware 1.1 floppies a decade ago, but they used to fill a whole (heavy) box Sep 11 03:28:25 anyway i been a nerd for two days now i need to go for a ride and get a beer Sep 11 03:28:35 hahahaha Sep 11 03:28:37 Oh joy, is it time for a distro wankfest? Count me out Sep 11 03:28:42 * zsoc has slackware on a 2gb microsd card tucked into his wallet Sep 11 03:28:49 woah Sep 11 03:28:52 woah Sep 11 03:28:54 woah Sep 11 03:28:56 is there a j2me runtime in the palm app store? Sep 11 03:29:00 I like distros with real packaging systems now Sep 11 03:29:01 chrisa, c'mon .. you don't want to say obscure distribution is way better than my distribution ? Sep 11 03:29:03 that is way too far Sep 11 03:29:22 Yeah it's pretty fun. Sep 11 03:29:25 chrisa: no wanking, the best distro is the one you like Sep 11 03:29:25 no j2me and i hope never comes to the pre Sep 11 03:29:37 bpadalino: debian is already ported to armel, so ubuntu shouldn't have any problems. Sep 11 03:29:41 pre already has j2se Sep 11 03:29:48 it runs jave nativly :) Sep 11 03:29:55 i would have just liked to use jmirc Sep 11 03:29:55 destinal, i'm curious about your description of "real packaging system" Sep 11 03:30:10 rwhitby: debian doesn't build all the latest packages, do they ? even on testing ? Sep 11 03:30:15 yeah having to rely on mibbit for irc is a bit of a pain Sep 11 03:30:28 Operating Systems are just tools - a means to an end, not an end in themselves. Sep 11 03:30:51 zsoc: dpkg is my favorite, (funny that it's basically the same as ipkg in format anyway). Sep 11 03:30:52 god damn it... i need beer gota break away Sep 11 03:30:52 rwhitby, but certain tools are super sexy, like Gnu make :D Sep 11 03:31:08 since ipkg based their format on .deb Sep 11 03:31:15 i suppose i could try irssi. Sep 11 03:31:20 since there is a terminal app Sep 11 03:31:22 :| Sep 11 03:31:22 destinal, as far as invoking dpkg with a frontend, do you prefer apt or aptitude? Sep 11 03:31:25 god dammit I deleted gdial pro so I can install the app catalog version Sep 11 03:31:27 Azalyn: yeah, irssi works Sep 11 03:31:35 now I can't install it from the catalog Sep 11 03:31:48 Azalyn: I'm looking at packaging irssi for Preware next, so that chrisa doesn't have to install ipkg-opt ... Sep 11 03:31:49 back to pre talk, what do we know about hidd and interfacing with the outside world ? Sep 11 03:31:50 zsoc: apt, command line Sep 11 03:32:07 rwhitby: I'll just build a native package Sep 11 03:32:18 chrisa: what gives with the 50 limit Sep 11 03:32:33 Why can't I use the app catalog? Sep 11 03:32:34 bpadalino: hidd is, was, and will be Sep 11 03:32:36 does anyone use the perl stuff in irssi? it's currently a big dependency in optware ... Sep 11 03:32:38 destinal, atleast we have some things in common lol. do you have any experience with emerge, etc? Sep 11 03:32:46 Eguy: not his area. Sep 11 03:32:53 hm Sep 11 03:33:02 Eguy: Am I answering to you now? Sep 11 03:33:16 rwhitby: He can find the people reponsible and lock them in a dark room ;) Sep 11 03:33:19 bpadalino: check /usr/lib/libhid*.so Sep 11 03:33:27 ~worship Eguy Sep 11 03:33:28 * infobot prostrates himself before Eguy. "I'm not worthy!" Sep 11 03:33:29 destinal, thanks Sep 11 03:33:42 I'm not even in the same building as the people who deal with the os level Sep 11 03:33:44 bpadalino: if you run initctl stop hidd and then hidd -vvv Sep 11 03:33:47 oh Sep 11 03:33:49 too bad Sep 11 03:34:15 bpadalino: or hidd -vvv -f /etc/hidd/HidPluginsVbox.xml on emulator Sep 11 03:34:17 Eguy, it's probably a sore subject, and something they are looking at very seriously, i'm sure. and has nothing to do with chris, i'm even more sure :P Sep 11 03:34:32 It's all chrisa's fault! Sep 11 03:34:37 just kidding ;) Sep 11 03:34:38 bpadalino: it will list plugins by number Sep 11 03:34:43 chrisa: yeah, I've been considering whether to just make Preware use the rootfs ipkg database and just build packages in OpenEmbedded, but figured that was a bit too intrusive for the general public. Sep 11 03:34:44 oh - that emulates the hidd on the emulator ? Sep 11 03:35:10 bpadalino: no, there IS hidd on emulator Sep 11 03:35:16 interesting Sep 11 03:35:17 it just has its own config file for vbox Sep 11 03:35:26 since vbox uses a different plugin list Sep 11 03:35:47 * rwhitby bbiab Sep 11 03:35:48 cat /etc/event.d/hidd to see the PLUGINS line Sep 11 03:36:04 it points at the xml file for configuring hidd for your platform Sep 11 03:36:22 meanwhile, i know this is out of place here, by anyone watching the steelers game? it's been pretty epic Sep 11 03:36:31 if you run it with -vvv you've turned verbosity all the way up Sep 11 03:36:43 * zsoc turns verbosity to over 9000 Sep 11 03:36:55 zsoc: :P Sep 11 03:36:59 they should have made it go to 11 Sep 11 03:37:05 football is for pansys Sep 11 03:37:22 US Open ftw Sep 11 03:37:26 by the way, is it true that the pre wont charge withough palm's special usb cable? Sep 11 03:37:34 as opposed to any old generic usb cable Sep 11 03:37:34 Azalyn: Hell no Sep 11 03:37:34 Azalyn: no, totally false Sep 11 03:37:45 The touchstone Sep 11 03:37:46 Azalyn: you need a microusb cable Sep 11 03:37:50 need a pre wall charger though Sep 11 03:37:50 egaudet, as far as i can recall, flowers don't watch sports, also, i can't watch Nadal play with an injury, it makes me sad Sep 11 03:37:53 *palm Sep 11 03:38:05 but any cable will do Sep 11 03:38:11 Eguy: touchstone needs any charger that can push 1amp Sep 11 03:38:12 yeah, many people said that the touchstone pulls more current or something Sep 11 03:38:19 and that it needs a different cable Sep 11 03:38:19 Azalyn, a dc charger has to provide 1 watt to work properly Sep 11 03:38:31 destinal: I couldn't get it to work with other ac chargers at 1a Sep 11 03:38:32 zsoc Sep 11 03:38:32 Azalyn: well it depends Sep 11 03:38:34 zsoc Sep 11 03:38:35 zsoc Sep 11 03:38:43 HAHAH Sep 11 03:38:47 the touchstone usb port is recessed Sep 11 03:38:49 egaudet, i'm so SO sorry :( it really is his fault :( :( Sep 11 03:38:53 zsoc fail with the names yet again Sep 11 03:38:55 lol Sep 11 03:39:03 egaudet, do you want to have a chat? I'd love to talk to you xD Sep 11 03:39:09 so just like with the original iphone where the audio jack was recessed Sep 11 03:39:19 you may need to shave a standard cable to make it fit Sep 11 03:39:23 nice Sep 11 03:39:25 ah.. Sep 11 03:39:26 since palm's is skinny Sep 11 03:39:33 :D Sep 11 03:39:44 zsoc: get it? Sep 11 03:39:48 I am not egaudet Sep 11 03:40:01 egaudet is not Eguy afaik Sep 11 03:40:06 I get it, my tab-complete doesn't Sep 11 03:40:22 lol Sep 11 03:40:31 Touchstone needs to see the data wires shorted (green and white) together. This is done internally to the palm wall charger. If you use a different charger, you may need to hack it. I have done this on monoprice gold cables. Sep 11 03:40:50 ^ yes Sep 11 03:40:50 hm Sep 11 03:40:54 I did it Sep 11 03:40:55 interesting Sep 11 03:40:58 jkc: that's what's used to signify a 1amp supply, right? Sep 11 03:40:59 All AC adapters have d+/d- shorted like that, it's nothing fancy Sep 11 03:41:09 I have a few I've cut up myself to hook to a dc power supply Sep 11 03:41:15 chrisa: some do, some don't Sep 11 03:41:35 Whoa, the phone app looks strange on the pixi. Sep 11 03:41:40 I have electricuted myself a few times Sep 11 03:41:41 strange ? Sep 11 03:41:47 dest: I am not sure, but I believe its part of a newer usb standard. There is a thread on precentral about it. Sep 11 03:41:54 wet hands + power cord = bzzzt Sep 11 03:41:54 kesne_: you have a pixi? Sep 11 03:42:01 Haha Sep 11 03:42:01 no Sep 11 03:42:07 chrisa has a pixi :D Sep 11 03:42:16 Haha Sep 11 03:42:17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATxDkK1OmM Sep 11 03:42:27 All I can say is I had a car charger that would not work until I shorted those wires. Sep 11 03:42:34 bpadalino: I'd be surprised by one that doesn't, considering checking registers to see if they're shorted is one of the easier ways to figure out what you have before enumerating Sep 11 03:42:46 InsideLosAngeles (6 hours ago) 0 Reply | Spam This review sucks ass. ROFL!!!!!!! Sep 11 03:43:01 i have a radio head unit in my car that has a USB port (for usb mass storage) Sep 11 03:43:09 me too Sep 11 03:43:10 But I can't say I've seen all dumb ac adapters Sep 11 03:43:10 i guess that would be able to charge the pre. Sep 11 03:43:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEVRO2FWGYU&gclid=CKDr2f_Q6JwCFRBbagodsFzYiw Sep 11 03:43:16 I need to get that Sep 11 03:43:17 or i'm hoping Sep 11 03:43:29 i've never done a USB project before ... i really should learn more about enumeration and setting it all up Sep 11 03:43:41 and i'll just leave the ac charger with the stock usb cable at home with the touchstone Sep 11 03:43:50 Ask geist about usb on windows Sep 11 03:43:52 I have one of those kesne Sep 11 03:44:04 Nice Sep 11 03:44:11 i have a feeling i'd get an answer like klhhjbhhberajevjlhevjhebrvbjajf Sep 11 03:44:14 just keyboard smashing Sep 11 03:44:14 Woo hoo, over 6000 checkers download so far Sep 11 03:44:17 I used a knife as a demo and it didn't scrath Sep 11 03:44:31 some guys took apart the touchstone, and estimated that it probably doesn't cost more than 5 dollars to manufacture. :| Sep 11 03:44:43 oh I forgot that is you kesne! I can't download your app because of the stupid error :( Sep 11 03:44:49 I need the old version Sep 11 03:44:50 Azalyn: i said it before - imagine how many geckos they had to kill to get the bottom .. Sep 11 03:44:53 gecko feet cost $$$ Sep 11 03:44:58 So confused Sep 11 03:45:01 What is the error? Sep 11 03:45:07 not enough memory Sep 11 03:45:11 the usual Sep 11 03:45:12 gecko feet? :| Sep 11 03:45:12 Delete an app Sep 11 03:45:14 Wait Sep 11 03:45:16 I have less than 50 apps Sep 11 03:45:20 Were you the one that sent that email? Sep 11 03:45:22 40% var space used Sep 11 03:45:25 nope Sep 11 03:45:30 Hmm Sep 11 03:45:32 i bet that's what chrisa and geist have to do on their lunch hours ... gecko genocide Sep 11 03:45:33 * zsoc uses a usb cable from his car radio Sep 11 03:45:45 * Eguy uses an aux 3.5mm Sep 11 03:45:46 Azalyn: parts costs don't detail the cost of r&d, manufacturing, etc Sep 11 03:45:48 to his zune Sep 11 03:45:52 Checkers is ~1.6 MB Sep 11 03:45:58 and a2dp to the pre Sep 11 03:46:08 in soviet russia, a usb cable from car radio uses you Sep 11 03:46:23 HAHAHA Sep 11 03:46:39 Eguy: the app will be avalible from homebrew as well Sep 11 03:47:01 I will have to use that one until the stupid memory problem is fixed Sep 11 03:47:05 1.6.2 Sep 11 03:47:08 I was using Sep 11 03:47:12 Ah Sep 11 03:47:19 Which is basically 0.6.2 Sep 11 03:47:22 Delete it Sep 11 03:47:23 grats all on raising 100 bucks for the fund already. Sep 11 03:47:25 Use the latest Sep 11 03:47:25 Rick_home: nano ready for alpha testing in the testing feed of Preware Sep 11 03:47:26 kesne_, congrats btw :) must feel cool to have an app in the catalog Sep 11 03:47:33 Thanks for the support. Sep 11 03:47:38 Azalyn: your head unit should be able to charge pre, no idea how fast. probably it can supply 500ma but ymmv Sep 11 03:47:54 rwhitby, fix the return carriage issue in nano? Sep 11 03:48:05 zsoc: it does, it's pretty cool Sep 11 03:48:05 zsoc: dunno, don't use it. Sep 11 03:48:20 Azalyn: the included AC adapter and some car adapters can do 1000ma Sep 11 03:48:39 rwhitby: thanks Sep 11 03:48:45 I'll let you know tommorow Sep 11 03:49:07 rwhitby, then i can almost guarantee you that you won't be able to save a file with nano, atleast without turning the pre landscape Sep 11 03:49:12 hm that goes beyond the USB specifications, right? Sep 11 03:49:24 zsoc: um, I don't have a Pre ... Sep 11 03:49:28 zsoc: I always use nano in landscape Sep 11 03:49:30 yet! Sep 11 03:49:59 zsoc: I just created and saved a file in nano on the emulator ... Sep 11 03:50:25 rwhitby, I'm glad it works on the emulator, but the bug on the hardware is documented... it's even on the wiki, er somewhere Sep 11 03:51:03 kesne: wow I should have gotten one of those Sep 11 03:51:25 destinal: what? So confused. Sep 11 03:51:46 kesne: invisishield thing Sep 11 03:52:05 I have some scratches on my screen, tiny and not really noticable Sep 11 03:52:51 Ah ha Sep 11 03:54:37 rwhitby, and now it's fixed. apparently it was a terminal app thing. Sep 11 03:55:00 chrisa: when openmoko came out with neo1973 a lot of people documented the different kinds of chargers they found whether short on data pins, open, or resistor, (this is right around the time that the usb battery charging spec that dictates shorting them came out) Sep 11 03:55:12 chrisa: wildly variable results at that time of course and I think still Sep 11 03:55:14 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_charger Sep 11 03:56:02 bbl Sep 11 03:56:06 I can't be held responsible for old/crazy non-compliant stuff Sep 11 03:57:15 chrisa: do you know if we have to have open on ID also for pre / pixi? Sep 11 03:57:57 usb cable mod for touchstone: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-accessories/186516-usb-cable-mod-generic-usb-adapters-touchstone-dock.html Sep 11 03:58:03 Come again? Sep 11 03:58:40 chrisa: well the spec says ID pin unconnected / open and data pins shorted together, so I guess we should probably do that then :P Sep 11 03:59:21 DAMN COOKIES TO HELL Sep 11 03:59:29 seems to be how the pre or touchstone knows to draw a full amp. if your source can't supply it though, it would be bad to do, so good thing to check Sep 11 04:00:41 * destinal looks for a cheap wall charger with 1a written on it that doesn't work with touchstone now, and his soldering iron. Sep 11 04:00:56 jkc: modifying a cable would be a bad Idea Sep 11 04:01:04 jkc: modifying the charger is the thing to do Sep 11 04:01:43 Not sure about the id, I only had to worry about checking ulpi registers for d+/d- Sep 11 04:01:51 The charger was a small one for the car, and I could not get to the pins. Sep 11 04:02:07 Rick: I hate the cookies too Sep 11 04:02:45 jkc: so your charger could supply 1a I guess Sep 11 04:02:54 jkc: some cheap car chargers can't Sep 11 04:02:55 http://news.cnet.com/i/bto/20080308/belkintravler.jpg Sep 11 04:02:58 i have one of these Sep 11 04:03:03 i'm hoping it'll work Sep 11 04:03:19 The charger is actually an ad2p to aux output converter that plugs into the cig lighter. It had a usb charger port that turned out to work fine. And, yes, I was surprised it can deliver the 1 amp. Sep 11 04:03:21 Azalyn: any usb port will basically *work* Sep 11 04:03:28 touchstone is pretty fickle about browning out Sep 11 04:03:33 Azalyn: but not necessarily for one amp if the pins aren't right Sep 11 04:03:46 even if it's rated for it Sep 11 04:04:06 worst case you'll get charging at half-speed and no touchstone support Sep 11 04:04:27 or the charger on/off dance Sep 11 04:04:32 by half speed I mean the same speed as if it were plugged into a computer Sep 11 04:04:44 jkc: the on/off thing is touchstone only afaik Sep 11 04:04:52 Not quite half, we don't pull a full amp. Pretty sure the actual charge levels are 500, 700, 800 Sep 11 04:05:07 chrisa: oh? the kernel messages claim 1000 Sep 11 04:05:24 err dmesg Sep 11 04:05:28 That's just enumerating and figuring out what source is attached Sep 11 04:05:34 ah Sep 11 04:05:40 You're not looking at how much current we're actually pulling Sep 11 04:05:51 just figured out how to increase the volume of a wired headset for mp3 playback Sep 11 04:05:58 Also, it's not 500 it's more like 475-480, normal pc usb Sep 11 04:11:45 well that nap was entirely too long Sep 11 04:12:20 pregnant oil? Sep 11 04:13:18 what? Sep 11 04:13:22 * oil is a dude Sep 11 04:14:09 I know Sep 11 04:14:12 nevermind ;) Sep 11 04:14:20 ok, nano pushed to public preware feeds Sep 11 04:14:33 go rwhitby! Sep 11 04:14:48 we need an icon for it .... Sep 11 04:15:04 nano? Sep 11 04:15:11 ah, editor Sep 11 04:15:53 Temp where are youuu Sep 11 04:15:56 not here Sep 11 04:17:04 anyone have a minute to answer a question? Sep 11 04:17:13 yes Sep 11 04:17:15 having a little trouble rooting my pre Sep 11 04:17:20 everything was going fine Sep 11 04:17:25 I only have 1 minute though Sep 11 04:17:33 lol Sep 11 04:17:36 followed all the instructions until last part of the quilt instal Sep 11 04:17:53 well everything was fine till then Sep 11 04:17:55 sh quilt-bootstrap.sh Sep 11 04:17:57 that command Sep 11 04:18:08 what happens Sep 11 04:18:08 then i get an error it tells me to post here Sep 11 04:18:16 you already rooted your pre then btw.... Sep 11 04:18:31 o really? Sep 11 04:18:33 I thought the "r" word was shunned Sep 11 04:18:48 yes you are at a command line, that is rooting Sep 11 04:19:00 ok well the log says Package git md5sum mismatch either the ipkg or the package index are corrupt Sep 11 04:19:20 try ipkg update Sep 11 04:19:21 i was wondering how long it would be before that point was brought up...hahaha :) Sep 11 04:19:34 then it says ok then Error: failed to create the local clone Sep 11 04:19:43 sorry i'm a bit of a newb Sep 11 04:20:21 any idea what that means? Sep 11 04:21:48 Creating a local clone of the webos-internals modifications repository:failed Sep 11 04:22:11 i doidk much about linux, was hoping someone might know =) Sep 11 04:22:25 *idk Sep 11 04:22:52 i am getting addicted to the terminal app Sep 11 04:23:00 hPOWDER: for the first one, use ipkg-opt update Sep 11 04:23:14 hPOWDER: for the second one, remove any modifications directory before trying to clone again Sep 11 04:25:46 how do i whisper? Sep 11 04:28:17 lower your voice Sep 11 04:28:19 What is nano under preware? Is this different than installing nano via ipkg? Sep 11 04:28:29 speak softly... kinda hard to explain Sep 11 04:28:40 jkc: what does the description say? Sep 11 04:30:37 +rwhitby: would you happen to have a link to the ipkg-opt update i should use? Sep 11 04:31:09 and how would i remove the modifications directory? Sep 11 04:31:28 hPOWDER: please read the basic linux usage and other wiki pages. Sep 11 04:34:45 Woo Sep 11 04:34:49 7000 checkers downloads Sep 11 04:39:15 GO kesne Go! Sep 11 04:39:35 you could have 7001 but I can't download it lol Sep 11 04:41:19 lolol Sep 11 04:42:12 ok so I followed the guide, used the ipkg and removed the modifications, then i cloned the modifications repository, am i done with quilt? Sep 11 04:42:49 why does preload and preupdate keep saying out of space ? Sep 11 04:42:54 * oil sees 7,169 in the catalog Sep 11 04:42:59 sorry i'm such a newb guys, appreciate all the help though Sep 11 04:43:01 and preware cant update itself Sep 11 04:43:08 Robi: they don't use the ipkg method I don't think Sep 11 04:43:59 hum.. is there anyway i can install old app catalog? Sep 11 04:44:18 hahah pwned by 1.2 Sep 11 04:44:49 Whoa 7199 now Sep 11 04:45:42 lol Sep 11 04:45:49 some of the reviews are hilarious Sep 11 04:46:27 I love the catalog reviews lol Sep 11 04:46:34 they are deff. not censored LOL Sep 11 04:47:16 Haha Sep 11 04:47:19 I ignore them Sep 11 04:47:52 "How do I run homebrew plz help" Sep 11 04:47:57 * Eguy goes to read checkers reviews Sep 11 04:48:12 * Eguy forgot he smashed his pre Sep 11 04:49:18 weird Sep 11 04:49:35 ROFL "BEWARE the computer cheats" Sep 11 04:49:42 HAHAHAHAH Sep 11 04:49:49 Haha Sep 11 04:49:53 it DOESNT Sep 11 04:49:54 Ugh Sep 11 04:49:56 chrisa: I just modified a usb power adapter to short the data pins. it did report 500ma before, it reports 1000ma now on the pre Sep 11 04:50:00 old app catalog? Sep 11 04:50:01 but still no touchstone Sep 11 04:50:28 I was going to write Kesne is a douche but I can't write a review because I can't install it ;) Sep 11 04:50:36 Haha Sep 11 04:50:37 :P Sep 11 04:50:45 :P Sep 11 04:50:46 * oil does it also Sep 11 04:50:50 In all fairness, you'd have to write KS sucks Sep 11 04:50:56 because I'm not Kesne on the catalog Sep 11 04:51:02 oh yes Sep 11 04:51:04 KS? Sep 11 04:51:07 thats pointless Sep 11 04:51:10 kansas state Sep 11 04:51:20 :P Sep 11 04:51:22 kesne will make it personal Sep 11 04:51:32 Keen Studios Sep 11 04:51:43 means nothing Sep 11 04:51:47 I know Sep 11 04:51:55 Janni is on a roll Sep 11 04:51:55 so why would i say it sucks? Sep 11 04:51:55 but thats how it appears in the catalog Sep 11 04:52:02 ugh Sep 11 04:52:04 nevermind Sep 11 04:52:06 lol Sep 11 04:52:11 oil is slow Sep 11 04:52:15 give him some time Sep 11 04:52:25 i realise that Sep 11 04:52:29 but it means nothing Sep 11 04:52:36 oil: where have you been Sep 11 04:52:42 i was uh Sep 11 04:52:42 sleeping Sep 11 04:52:43 napping? Sep 11 04:52:43 Robi_: Preware can update itself, but it cannot update the service that it uses to update packages - think about how you would change the tyres on a moving car ... Sep 11 04:52:44 sysfsbatteryservice is golden Sep 11 04:52:45 xD Sep 11 04:52:52 is it out with settings? Sep 11 04:53:01 you see other dudes battery thinger? Sep 11 04:53:02 settings? Sep 11 04:53:08 settings Sep 11 04:53:09 i mean Sep 11 04:53:14 subscription xD Sep 11 04:53:20 yeah Sep 11 04:53:22 with subscriptions Sep 11 04:53:28 what other dudes battery thing? Sep 11 04:53:31 rwhitby: fifth wheel Sep 11 04:54:02 it was released today i think Sep 11 04:54:17 * oil just saw it in preware after loling at kesne's reviews Sep 11 04:54:19 Robi_: yep, that's what we're working on now. Sep 11 04:54:31 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/batterymonitor Sep 11 04:54:38 includes sexy graph? Sep 11 04:54:42 heh Sep 11 04:54:51 or Sep 11 04:54:52 not so sexy Sep 11 04:54:57 orange? Sep 11 04:55:12 ooo that is hot oil Sep 11 04:55:20 * oil didnt make it Sep 11 04:55:24 Yeah Sep 11 04:55:27 I know Sep 11 04:55:28 though he doesn't really have much Sep 11 04:55:29 So it must be good stuff Sep 11 04:55:29 I noticed Sep 11 04:55:31 just battery % Sep 11 04:55:37 LOL kesene Sep 11 04:55:37 and trys to do as much with it as possible Sep 11 04:55:43 kesne Sep 11 04:55:55 Eguy? Sep 11 04:55:55 Maintainer: palm. Sep 11 04:55:56 but the over-time stuff is cool Sep 11 04:56:01 yeah Sep 11 04:56:05 must be in the com.palm? Sep 11 04:56:07 heh - author have no clue, do they. Sep 11 04:56:16 [21:55] So it must be good stuff Sep 11 04:56:20 I enjoyed that comment Sep 11 04:56:24 Haha Sep 11 04:56:31 Just giving oil a hard time Sep 11 04:56:35 stfu egal Sep 11 04:56:38 oh god, this community is amazing Sep 11 04:56:40 using irssi on my phone Sep 11 04:56:42 i think i'm in love Sep 11 04:56:45 I hope he knows I don't mean it Sep 11 04:56:47 oh Sep 11 04:56:48 * punzada geekgasms Sep 11 04:56:58 does it show charging too? Sep 11 04:56:59 oil: so u are gonna have to make your battery monitor better :D Sep 11 04:57:00 hey ease the tension oil Sep 11 04:57:05 lol Sep 11 04:57:10 i know Sep 11 04:57:12 jeez Sep 11 04:57:15 * Eguy offers oil a truce Sep 11 04:57:15 I want to track the charge rate on my modded monoprice charger Sep 11 04:57:22 now the battery monitor space is so crowded though Sep 11 04:57:22 * Eguy downloads blocked Sep 11 04:57:33 too much competition Sep 11 04:57:37 xD Sep 11 04:57:40 wtf Sep 11 04:57:41 hahahaha Sep 11 04:57:43 is that using my service? Sep 11 04:57:44 * freakout wonders why the battery monitor doesn't work on the emulator? Sep 11 04:57:45 or something else? Sep 11 04:57:47 no Sep 11 04:57:56 all it gets is battery % Sep 11 04:57:59 and does what it can Sep 11 04:58:01 with 1 number Sep 11 04:58:05 bi Sep 11 04:58:06 no Sep 11 04:58:08 freakout: maybe because there is no battery Sep 11 04:58:09 it has voltage Sep 11 04:58:16 and current Sep 11 04:58:24 yours? Sep 11 04:58:26 Eguy: Stop being so insane Sep 11 04:58:37 i know your service does Sep 11 04:58:38 freakout: I can't Sep 11 04:58:44 but that guys app just has battery % Sep 11 04:58:45 oil: no the gui does Sep 11 04:58:46 and thats it Sep 11 04:58:46 I am always insane Sep 11 04:58:49 oil: no Sep 11 04:58:53 look at the details shot Sep 11 04:58:53 oh Sep 11 04:59:00 i was just looking at hte one shot Sep 11 04:59:12 angry email time.... Sep 11 04:59:35 maybe it is using your service? Sep 11 04:59:36 i dont know Sep 11 04:59:41 download it and peek at his code Sep 11 04:59:55 damnit, i can't find this article i had seen the other day about the pre apparently having some usage monitor, but sprint has it disabled or something. Sep 11 05:00:10 palm? Sep 11 05:00:12 PuffTheMagic: what's the sysfs file you use? Sep 11 05:00:14 kill switch? Sep 11 05:00:39 oil: how lame! Sep 11 05:00:45 ? Sep 11 05:00:50 is he using it puff? Sep 11 05:00:53 idk Sep 11 05:00:55 lol Sep 11 05:00:59 PuffTheMagic: the sys file for battery? Sep 11 05:01:09 destinal: /sys/bus/w1/devices/32-* Sep 11 05:01:41 says sysrefbatteryservice was last updated last week Sep 11 05:02:46 i didnt make a new release Sep 11 05:02:49 going to shortly Sep 11 05:02:56 oil: well you can still make a better one Sep 11 05:03:03 he isnt using avgcurrent Sep 11 05:03:03 well itl have to be better Sep 11 05:03:10 yeah but i still export more info i think Sep 11 05:03:14 it IS using a service Sep 11 05:03:14 and it wont be palm.com Sep 11 05:03:15 :D Sep 11 05:03:25 its using palms shit Sep 11 05:03:28 i beleive Sep 11 05:03:28 but really Sep 11 05:03:37 i should probably get dependencies in preware working Sep 11 05:03:43 so its easier to install yours Sep 11 05:03:43 yes Sep 11 05:03:44 you should Sep 11 05:03:44 lol Sep 11 05:03:48 yeah Sep 11 05:03:54 and service installation Sep 11 05:04:01 oil: and we need a new name Sep 11 05:04:03 and a better one Sep 11 05:04:05 lol Sep 11 05:04:35 Hmm Sep 11 05:04:41 OK, the guy with the spare Pre just pulled out. Seems he wants to try to get a full $600 refund from Sprint. So I'm back to square one. Sep 11 05:04:49 I want to graph charge rate, seems like the opposite of this Sep 11 05:04:51 sadness Sep 11 05:04:58 yeah Sep 11 05:05:02 hes charting the drain rate Sep 11 05:05:05 well Sep 11 05:05:07 überβattery Sep 11 05:05:09 rwhitby, you're trying to buy an off contract pre? Sep 11 05:05:15 it probably goes up when you plug it in Sep 11 05:05:23 psykoz: yep: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-general-chat/202126-rwhitby-needs-pre.html Sep 11 05:05:23 oil: you know what Sep 11 05:05:30 oil: most things go up when you plug them in ;) Sep 11 05:05:34 oil: i know how you can make your better Sep 11 05:05:39 since we have our sweet service Sep 11 05:05:42 lol Sep 11 05:05:44 you can make the app headless Sep 11 05:05:48 and log shit Sep 11 05:05:51 lol Sep 11 05:05:52 :D Sep 11 05:05:58 with out having a card open Sep 11 05:06:02 like his requires :D Sep 11 05:06:06 yeah Sep 11 05:06:09 it could background it Sep 11 05:06:13 or Sep 11 05:06:16 be in two parts realy Sep 11 05:06:18 really* Sep 11 05:06:19 and we shouldnt give our secrets in here Sep 11 05:06:22 LOL Sep 11 05:06:24 cause hes probably spying on us Sep 11 05:06:25 HE MAY BE WATCHING! Sep 11 05:06:27 xD Sep 11 05:06:31 he had to Sep 11 05:06:34 * Eguy is taking notes to steal the idea Sep 11 05:06:37 he knew the service was about to drop Sep 11 05:06:41 or he saw it Sep 11 05:06:49 and was like "i dont know how to use that, but i bet palm has some juice" Sep 11 05:07:05 oil: OR Sep 11 05:07:15 oil: we could wait on the battery stuff Sep 11 05:07:17 and combine it Sep 11 05:07:25 with? Sep 11 05:07:25 into the uber system monitor Sep 11 05:07:28 yeah Sep 11 05:07:30 yes Sep 11 05:07:31 that would be cool Sep 11 05:07:34 with ram usage Sep 11 05:07:38 yup Sep 11 05:07:40 and cpu usage Sep 11 05:07:43 then his app would be like just a little piece of this more awesomer app Sep 11 05:07:43 and process views Sep 11 05:07:45 yes Sep 11 05:07:53 yeah Sep 11 05:08:09 übermonit0r Sep 11 05:08:11 yeah i think im gonna rename sysfsbatteryservice to sysmon Sep 11 05:08:21 you should Sep 11 05:08:31 Eguy: that could be the GUI name :D Sep 11 05:08:34 sysfsbatteryservice is kind a crappy name anyways Sep 11 05:08:45 yes Sep 11 05:08:45 lol Sep 11 05:08:48 yeah its friggen long Sep 11 05:08:50 lol Sep 11 05:08:52 a mouthfull Sep 11 05:08:57 and i dont even use libsyfs any more Sep 11 05:09:04 even though i do read from /sys Sep 11 05:09:28 oil: root your damn pre! Sep 11 05:09:33 lolol Sep 11 05:09:44 hahahha Sep 11 05:09:55 I like my pre without the root Sep 11 05:09:59 PuffTheMagic: oil is really Aunt Minnie Sep 11 05:10:00 like my beer Sep 11 05:10:08 haha Sep 11 05:10:08 lol rwhitby Sep 11 05:10:25 so what is this sysrefbatteryservice thing? Sep 11 05:10:34 i installed it on my pre and now it doesnt work Sep 11 05:10:45 aunt_minnie: what is a root? Sep 11 05:10:54 something that feeds the trees Sep 11 05:11:07 how do you access root? Sep 11 05:11:10 Rod- I just wondered why you would install nano via preware rather than ipkg, so I thought something might be different. Someone also mentioned 'landscape mode'. Sep 11 05:11:23 with a shovel Sep 11 05:12:04 can someone tell me how to root my pre, thatd be cool if i could root it.... :-$ Sep 11 05:12:34 you take a shovel Sep 11 05:12:37 aunt_minnie: I recently caught my girlfriend in bed with my guinea pigs. Should I be suspicious? Sep 11 05:12:38 and dig it up Sep 11 05:12:45 oh, you're gone now. Sep 11 05:12:49 lol Sep 11 05:12:55 lol, sweet i have one in the shed, brb Sep 11 05:13:26 jkc: you can not install Preware, Terminal, Nano, all without doing the "scary rooting" procedure. Sep 11 05:13:31 s/not/now/ Sep 11 05:13:32 rwhitby meant: jkc: you can now install Preware, Terminal, Nano, all without doing the "scary rooting" procedure. Sep 11 05:13:53 it's for aunt_minnie Sep 11 05:13:54 that is a big difference Sep 11 05:14:12 freakout: i hope that email isnt one of the reasons the update was pushed, id feel bad...lol Sep 11 05:14:22 oil: im gonna add an option for changing the IO scheduler too :D Sep 11 05:14:49 theo: ? Sep 11 05:15:06 to the webos security team Sep 11 05:15:11 oh Sep 11 05:15:12 lol Sep 11 05:15:16 and the one you sent Sep 11 05:15:26 * Eguy is waiting for norton Sep 11 05:15:29 for webos Sep 11 05:15:35 yeah, kinda odd they responded the day it was supposed to drop Sep 11 05:15:46 Eguy: because what it really needs is more lag :P Sep 11 05:15:53 hahhahaha Sep 11 05:16:12 theo: i doubt that was the cause, it can't be much of an effort to fix the contacts file Sep 11 05:16:19 like others, i suspect iTunes was the reason Sep 11 05:16:28 i wouldnt imagine, thats what i was thinking Sep 11 05:16:29 do you have to 'root' it to install something that isn't available in preware yet? Sep 11 05:16:31 yes itunes Sep 11 05:16:31 like irssi? Sep 11 05:16:46 I wonder how they will fix itunes this time though Sep 11 05:17:04 you have to root the pre to do anything cool :p Sep 11 05:17:20 yes Sep 11 05:17:25 what she said ^ Sep 11 05:18:03 this room is better than late night comedy Sep 11 05:18:16 anything is now adays Sep 11 05:18:17 well late night comedy has never been very good Sep 11 05:18:21 lol Sep 11 05:18:21 theo: that's not a terribly high bar to vault Sep 11 05:18:22 conan sucks Sep 11 05:18:26 lol Sep 11 05:18:32 jimmy fallon really sucks Sep 11 05:18:35 dave is old Sep 11 05:18:39 very old Sep 11 05:18:43 craig is the best Sep 11 05:18:51 I have gone to a taping before Sep 11 05:18:56 * oil doesnt watch tv Sep 11 05:19:22 I should stop spamming this stuff, but I can't help it Sep 11 05:19:28 Best. Tonight. Show. Host. Ever. Sep 11 05:19:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w85FnZi2pg Sep 11 05:19:31 i use hulu, hate commercials, and they only have around 5 Sep 11 05:19:49 i torrent every show i want to watch Sep 11 05:19:51 hulu ftw Sep 11 05:19:58 via rss, it just downloads them automatically Sep 11 05:20:08 destinal, as long as you update terminal app to be lazy friendly with custom macro keys rod idea of running ipk optware repository will be golden Sep 11 05:20:09 eztv ftw Sep 11 05:20:17 ah yes eztv Sep 11 05:20:18 I like conan :( Sep 11 05:20:35 Conan just does the same crap from his old show Sep 11 05:20:35 baybe even a way to creat your own macro list on desktop and import to the pre :) Sep 11 05:20:37 heh, eztv is a great reason to use Twitter Sep 11 05:20:45 * geist yawns into the channel Sep 11 05:20:52 freakout: nothing is a good reason to use twitter Sep 11 05:21:01 * freakout passes geist a breath mint Sep 11 05:21:01 lol ^ Sep 11 05:21:08 hahahahhahahaha Sep 11 05:21:12 nice one Sep 11 05:21:16 ooo an up gesture does last command Sep 11 05:21:23 and down toggles down Sep 11 05:21:28 pretty nifty stuff Sep 11 05:21:35 drinkin a green apple tapioca tea Sep 11 05:21:38 maybe lookinto block drop for gesture commands Sep 11 05:21:40 Eguy: they tweet all their latest torrents. It's good stuff. Sep 11 05:21:43 my breath probably smells pretty good Sep 11 05:21:57 geist: pics, or it di- oh wait, that doesn't really work does it. Sep 11 05:22:06 Yeah Conan is just still Conan, at a different timeslot/intro song ;) Sep 11 05:22:18 yup ^ Sep 11 05:22:28 I did like the mario bros backdrop they did in it though ;) Sep 11 05:22:35 i always liked conan better than leno anyways Sep 11 05:22:42 I like leno Sep 11 05:22:52 I have met him, very nice guy Sep 11 05:22:58 leno gave me nightmares Sep 11 05:23:06 theo: the chin, right? Sep 11 05:23:10 oh yeah Sep 11 05:23:27 terrifying stuff that chin is Sep 11 05:23:37 hahahha Sep 11 05:23:44 it tried to kill me Sep 11 05:23:53 lol, i bet Sep 11 05:23:55 wooohoo tomorrow is friday Sep 11 05:24:00 it could be worse. the chin could be wearing a hockey mask and have a chainsaw Sep 11 05:24:01 Moza practice Sep 11 05:24:02 and i believe it could Sep 11 05:24:04 no, Eguy, today is Friday. Sep 11 05:24:04 Monza8 Sep 11 05:24:06 * Sep 11 05:24:08 You are stuck in the past. Sep 11 05:24:11 hahah Sep 11 05:24:12 yes Sep 11 05:24:15 You are like conservative politicians. :P Sep 11 05:24:17 http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/super-mario-brothers-at-conan/320908 Sep 11 05:24:30 I hope Hamilton scores another win for McLaren Sep 11 05:29:24 http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3081/function.png Sep 11 05:29:25 http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4256/browser20091109012757.png Sep 11 05:29:50 looks nice Sep 11 05:29:59 yes me likey Sep 11 05:30:05 available yet? Sep 11 05:30:18 I took it off for the 1.2 update Sep 11 05:30:27 awesome Sep 11 05:30:30 egaudet, those are lovely Sep 11 05:30:41 I will put it on again though Sep 11 05:30:49 just a little teaser, won't be out until tomorrow night at the earliest Sep 11 05:30:50 I show it to all my friends with iPhones :D Sep 11 05:30:53 * theo waiting for virtual keyboard to come back out Sep 11 05:30:54 question: is it going to be possible in the future to add any kind of error correction/prediction? Sep 11 05:31:12 or is that beyond your scope with the current tools Sep 11 05:31:45 freakout, it will be difficult but I plan to get it in there at some point if I can Sep 11 05:31:53 freakout: maybe by the time a gsm pre is out in aus. I don't think ti is a priority Sep 11 05:32:04 eguadet: kewl Sep 11 05:32:15 Eguy: I don't want a virtual keyboard anyway, I <3 physical. Sep 11 05:32:20 But I appreciate having options Sep 11 05:32:29 I like having the option of both :) Sep 11 05:32:36 especially in landscape Sep 11 05:32:40 And I appreciate cool software, which this is Sep 11 05:32:45 virtual keyboard sometimes is useful when I just want to treat my phone as a phone, and more less like a browsing/texting device Sep 11 05:32:49 i like it when its on the touchstone i dont have to take it off Sep 11 05:32:51 My first goal will be to use the SmartTextEngine, but it's in a plugin and we have no API or anything for it. destinal is working on hidd plugins and I will try to help after I get this next release out Sep 11 05:33:07 destinal = plugin king Sep 11 05:33:15 text/browsing mode is like "keyboard time" Sep 11 05:33:41 has everyone had their plans updated with the new unlimited mobile to mobile?? Sep 11 05:33:49 the virtual will be useful sometimes Sep 11 05:34:06 aww the nadal match was supended Sep 11 05:34:10 egaudet: Forgive my ignorance. it seems odd that SmartTextEngine is built to work only with the physical keys Sep 11 05:34:17 theo: nope Sep 11 05:34:20 Doesn't the virtual appear to the OS as the same way? Sep 11 05:34:41 Eguy: call them up and have it done, no charge for it Sep 11 05:35:01 not that I need it Sep 11 05:35:02 freakout, nope. The virtual keyboard is being patched into the mojo framework Sep 11 05:35:03 for one-handed texting, would T9 ever be possible? Sep 11 05:35:09 I never go NEAR my 1500 minutes Sep 11 05:35:45 yeah, luckily i still have my employee plan Sep 11 05:35:56 egaudet: again, kewl :) Sep 11 05:36:03 the smarttextengine is in lunaService shared libarary which gets hard keyboard events. the virtual keyboard does not have the ability to generate hard key events (yet) Sep 11 05:36:20 I got Unlimited Sprint Mobile to Mobile I guess that is not it Sep 11 05:36:38 no the new one is for any cell on any carrier Sep 11 05:36:45 luna is still a bit of a black box, isn't it. Sep 11 05:37:01 I mean i can generate key events to be passed around the mojo, but I can't get it up into the level that the SmartTextEngine resides until we get hidd plugins Sep 11 05:37:07 I know it is Sep 11 05:37:22 weird, still can't figure out why my hacked AC to USB adapter claims 1000ma now (instead of 500ma it did before) but touchstone doesn't work. it's 5.23v instead of 5.10 of the palm one, so maybe that has to do with it Sep 11 05:37:40 eguy Sep 11 05:37:44 psykoz Sep 11 05:37:46 hopefully this will be the beginning of price wars on plans Sep 11 05:37:48 shorting the data pins got it to report 1000ma Sep 11 05:37:55 eguy, Unlimited Sprint Mobile to Mobile shows up in my plan Sep 11 05:38:10 I'm gonna call them now Sep 11 05:38:49 destinal: you're saying the touchstone doesn't like to run off your ac adaptor? Sep 11 05:38:56 booo Sep 11 05:38:59 they are closed Sep 11 05:39:02 one thing ill give to sprint, their plans keep getting better Sep 11 05:39:05 eguy, what's up? Sep 11 05:39:16 Eguy: they're monitoring the channel. They knew you were coming Sep 11 05:39:19 not much psykoz, you? Sep 11 05:39:22 lol Sep 11 05:39:28 ok sleep time Sep 11 05:39:35 eguy, what was more of a "why are you calling sprint" over mobile to mobile? Sep 11 05:39:38 sleep tight Sep 11 05:39:45 geist: yeah, I bought a cheap adapter from monoprice, it used to report 500ma, but then I read the new battery charger spec and realized you have to short the data pins like the official adapter does, I did that, dmesg now reports detecting 1000ma when plugged in directly but still no love from the puck Sep 11 05:39:52 oh Sep 11 05:39:53 lol Sep 11 05:40:02 hrm, guess the puck is more picky Sep 11 05:40:05 LOL Sep 11 05:40:09 stupid spint Sep 11 05:40:11 it is actually pretty smart. there's a microcontroller in it and everything Sep 11 05:40:22 eguy, did mobile to mobile not show up in your account? Sep 11 05:40:22 press 3 to make changes Sep 11 05:40:32 pressed it 10 times nothing happened Sep 11 05:40:39 geist: yeah, saw that in a teardown post online, looks cool Sep 11 05:40:52 I don't have any mobile in my account Sep 11 05:40:53 yet Sep 11 05:40:58 just sprint mobile to mobile Sep 11 05:41:09 it's TOO smart. Sep 11 05:41:10 i think there's a corresponding micro in the back of the pre. they talk to each other Sep 11 05:41:13 Oh wait Sep 11 05:41:14 the pucks will become sentient Sep 11 05:41:19 I just pasted that to you on accident, same here, only sprint ;) Sep 11 05:41:21 they speak Sep 11 05:42:03 We are the Touchstones. You will be assimilated. Sep 11 05:42:04 the other possible thing is that for some reason my adapter's not supplying the full amp it claims Sep 11 05:42:15 yeah, that seems kind of likely too Sep 11 05:42:16 not sure if it is or not Sep 11 05:42:33 it was written on the back but you can't trust those things Sep 11 05:42:36 ;) Sep 11 05:42:56 iirc, the puck can do 700 or 800mA Sep 11 05:43:04 hah Sep 11 05:43:05 http://support.sprintpcs.com/help.do?m=showHelp&selectedDeviceId=11160&leftMenu=Check%20for%20Software%20Updates Sep 11 05:43:07 1.2 is gone Sep 11 05:43:31 Palm is adding unicorn support. are you surprised? Sep 11 05:43:35 hasnt that already been said? Sep 11 05:43:38 (The unicorns were.) Sep 11 05:43:39 Eguy: yeah they jumped the gun on that in the first place, right? Sep 11 05:43:43 yay, unicorns Sep 11 05:44:01 I can't imagine the kind of kernel hacking required for unicorn drivers Sep 11 05:44:08 they havent released 1.2 yet? Sep 11 05:44:16 no, was a freak accident Sep 11 05:44:21 Sprint has jumped the gun on quite a few things this month Sep 11 05:44:22 The beauty of unicorn drivers is that they write themselves. Sep 11 05:44:30 And self-write a beautiful, orderly wiki. Sep 11 05:44:40 Azalyn: Nope the Pre is still on 0.9.5 Sep 11 05:44:46 yeah, sprint is a bunch of wild and crazy guys Sep 11 05:44:49 how many people think they can get 50 dollar credit for the pre Sep 11 05:45:22 * freakout wants 50 dollar credit for the emulator Sep 11 05:45:28 just got an email saying that i was givin 1,000,000.00gbp by the british telecom program, think i should reply?? Sep 11 05:45:42 * Eguy want's 50 bucks for doing nothing Sep 11 05:45:45 theo: The British Telecom Program based in Nigeria Sep 11 05:45:48 theo nooooo Sep 11 05:45:53 the british ones are scams Sep 11 05:45:53 * freakout knows how Eguy could earn 50 bucks... Sep 11 05:45:56 it only want my name, address,sex,tel,country Sep 11 05:45:59 the nigerian ones are the legit ones Sep 11 05:46:01 yeah, better just send over that bank account # Sep 11 05:46:04 wants Sep 11 05:46:13 oh yeah, im rich Sep 11 05:46:19 they are ligit Sep 11 05:46:25 they have a university for the nigerian ones, http://www.universityofnigeria.com/ Sep 11 05:46:31 lol Sep 11 05:46:33 my back account prooves it they took the money now its a matter of time for me to get more Sep 11 05:46:36 you should send them pie Sep 11 05:46:38 as thanks Sep 11 05:46:53 419eater is a great website Sep 11 05:46:59 rob dyrdek is the best Sep 11 05:46:59 i was thinking the smiley faced cookies Sep 11 05:47:20 so what's the deal with drydek? Sep 11 05:47:25 oil: i'm amazed at how much time that guy has Sep 11 05:47:32 why does he get all these shows? Sep 11 05:47:39 he is entertaining Sep 11 05:48:01 hahahahha Sep 11 05:48:04 that's all i can fingure Sep 11 05:48:06 figure Sep 11 05:48:08 who is drydek Sep 11 05:48:17 and he is a great skater Sep 11 05:48:22 he's got all these meaningless MTV shows Sep 11 05:48:23 and businessman I guess Sep 11 05:48:32 Jack87: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Dyrdek Sep 11 05:48:36 more so than usual, no plot, just whatever he's doing Sep 11 05:48:39 he makes the crazy vids with ken block Sep 11 05:48:42 dc shoes etc. Sep 11 05:48:44 yes Sep 11 05:48:57 thanks freakout Sep 11 05:49:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ48NQjouoE Sep 11 05:49:38 destinal where is this battery charger spec you speak of? Sep 11 05:49:52 it's on usbs site i think Sep 11 05:49:59 Ken Block pwns Sep 11 05:50:13 amazing driver Sep 11 05:50:26 I want that car. Sep 11 05:50:27 jauderho: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/batt_charging_1_0.zip Sep 11 05:50:30 Travis Pastrana is crazy Sep 11 05:50:36 there's a set of pullups and whatnot between the usb lines you can read to tell that you're actuallytalking to a charge Sep 11 05:50:39 charger Sep 11 05:50:44 and thus pull more than 100mA Sep 11 05:51:04 thx. Sep 11 05:51:07 hmm dead link, sec Sep 11 05:51:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAOy_QGxLnc&#t=2m49s Sep 11 05:51:14 Eguy: yeah, i watch the hell out of Nitro Circus Sep 11 05:51:24 Nitro Circus is the best show Sep 11 05:51:25 http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/batt_charging_1_1.zip Sep 11 05:51:37 oh yeah wupps Sep 11 05:51:42 Top Gear is the best show Sep 11 05:51:52 then nitro circus Sep 11 05:51:52 indeed Sep 11 05:51:58 I just looked and looks like charging from a mac is at 500ma. left the charger at the gf's so have to resort to this. Sep 11 05:52:04 I have every TG episode on my pc Sep 11 05:52:18 haha I forgot I had my freakishly tall emulator window open, it's really funny having a 800px high webos "device" Sep 11 05:52:19 Eguy even has that controversial Clarkson sex tape Sep 11 05:52:22 my former girlfriend even appreciated top gear and she didn't much care for fast cars ;) Sep 11 05:52:24 jauderho: right. USB itself is only rated up to 500 Sep 11 05:52:34 destinal: that link is 404 Sep 11 05:52:39 macs can provide more, but it's out of spec Sep 11 05:52:44 jauderho: get the 1.1 Sep 11 05:52:48 and you can't really tell from the device that the host can give you more Sep 11 05:52:50 second link I sent Sep 11 05:52:57 hahha freakout Sep 11 05:53:12 gotcha Sep 11 05:53:17 actually most PCs on the root hubs will get you more than 500 Sep 11 05:53:27 jezza totally would make one Sep 11 05:53:36 interesting. Sep 11 05:53:41 never looked closely at usb Sep 11 05:54:00 A Dedicated Charging Port is a downstream port on a device that outputs power through a USB connector, Sep 11 05:54:00 but is not capable of enumerating a downstream device. A Dedicated Charging Port is required to output at Sep 11 05:54:00 a minimum current of IDCHG at an average voltage of VCHG. A Dedicated Charging Port is required to short the D+ line to the D- line. Sep 11 05:54:01 thing is the device has to actually request it Sep 11 05:54:20 and the host has to actually grant you the permission to pull X mA Sep 11 05:54:26 where X is > 100mA Sep 11 05:54:52 or, you have a Dedicated Charging Port Sep 11 05:55:08 right, a la palm's adapter and my hacked one Sep 11 05:55:27 lol big cat Sep 11 05:56:03 since my cheapo monoprice one was out of spec for dedicated charging and I may have corrected that by shorting d+ to d-, so long as it's not deficient in some other way Sep 11 05:56:15 which it may be Sep 11 05:56:31 geist: yeah it's looking like it :( Sep 11 05:56:32 thankfully the world seems to be moving towards the standard Sep 11 05:56:41 i had heard that europe is requiring it, or something Sep 11 05:58:21 hmm IDCHG is 0.5 to 1.5, never seen anything that pulls 1500ma over usb yet Sep 11 05:58:33 EU made it the standard, so yes everyone is switching to it for unified production Sep 11 05:58:44 yeah. usually charging is ultimately limited by thermals Sep 11 06:01:21 hmm, nice to know my charger's in spec for voltage, VCHG is 4.75 - 5.25 v. the pre's stock charger provides 5.09-5.10v, my hacked one 5.24 Sep 11 06:01:29 barely in spec though there.. Sep 11 06:01:48 usually the actual charger itself works fine as long as input is > 4.2V Sep 11 06:02:12 most charger chips will take it all the way up till 8V or so before shutting off Sep 11 06:02:12 right, I imagine it probably has a rather tolerant voltage regulator Sep 11 06:02:18 exactly Sep 11 06:03:11 and then usually the pre will work fine as long as the battery is > 3.3V Sep 11 06:03:18 since that's the highest voltage rail in the device Sep 11 06:03:31 most of the cpu and io runs at 1.2 and 1.8V, but there's a 3.3 somewhere Sep 11 06:03:36 i think it's the flash or something Sep 11 06:03:58 lots of voltage regulators Sep 11 06:04:04 pretty common on these types of devices Sep 11 06:04:10 nothing particularly fancy Sep 11 06:04:32 I didn't think about all the different rails inside it but I should have guessed Sep 11 06:04:34 the 3.3 rail doesn't need any overhead? .2? Sep 11 06:05:14 dont remember. just was thinking back of the days when we were powering them off bench supplies Sep 11 06:05:20 and it'd work fine if you had > 3.3 Sep 11 06:05:25 usually we'd set them to 4 Sep 11 06:05:53 whereabouts is the voltage when the pre claims 0% batt? Sep 11 06:06:10 pre doesn't do that. there's a coloumb counter on the battery itself Sep 11 06:06:22 it reports what it thinks it is at Sep 11 06:06:35 yeah saw that in the sysfs Sep 11 06:06:38 very cool Sep 11 06:06:54 i think all the palm batteries for the last few years have that. especially since the pre uses esentially the same battery as centro Sep 11 06:07:08 still, at some point the pre claims a dead battery Sep 11 06:07:15 just curious how much overhead it gives Sep 11 06:07:23 i think that's around 3.7 Sep 11 06:07:42 since that's the 'knee' where a lipoly battery will fall off Sep 11 06:08:00 0 ideally should be just before the battery hits the knee Sep 11 06:09:24 back when i was at danger we had to do it manually with a ADC Sep 11 06:09:25 it was hyper annoying Sep 11 06:09:33 danger? Sep 11 06:09:57 few yeasr back. we did the tmobile sidekick Sep 11 06:10:00 rawdr: Spy agency. :P Sep 11 06:10:15 that was my first phone i ever worked on Sep 11 06:11:36 well, tapioca place is closing up Sep 11 06:11:36 time to head home Sep 11 06:11:55 see ya Sep 11 06:12:44 * freakout waves Sep 11 06:18:08 hey, fritos1406. saw your landscape messaging patch today Sep 11 06:18:11 Nice work. Sep 11 07:15:22 :/ Sep 11 07:16:48 * oil cant get to git.webos-internals Sep 11 07:25:31 it's all good here. Sep 11 07:26:11 i know Sep 11 07:26:14 thats what the internet told me Sep 11 07:26:23 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ Sep 11 07:29:32 http://www.computerpowertest.com/ Sep 11 07:30:08 awesome Sep 11 07:30:28 i wasnt sure Sep 11 07:30:39 and i love how off is there Sep 11 07:30:45 lol I know Sep 11 07:30:46 like it may light up Sep 11 07:30:51 that is sweet Sep 11 07:32:01 so i downloaded word whirl Sep 11 07:32:08 its actually quite fun Sep 11 07:32:14 yes Sep 11 07:32:38 though sometimes i come up with words that then aren't on the list Sep 11 07:32:42 and im like, wtf, eh? Sep 11 07:33:22 yeah Sep 11 07:33:24 wtf eh? Sep 11 07:33:34 yeah Sep 11 07:33:41 like i was canadian Sep 11 07:33:47 I know right Sep 11 08:16:03 anybody awake out there? Sep 11 08:16:32 Barely Sep 11 08:16:42 somewhat Sep 11 08:16:44 cool.... :-) Sep 11 08:16:58 any way I can ask a quickie question? Sep 11 08:17:12 nope Sep 11 08:17:25 s/nope/sure Sep 11 08:17:33 lol... i knew i shoulnt have asked to ask!! Sep 11 08:17:38 oops Sep 11 08:17:38 You can certainly try, though I make no guarantees. =p Sep 11 08:17:55 ~botsnack Sep 11 08:17:56 oil: :) Sep 11 08:18:01 What's up Sep 11 08:18:13 i am trying to mount remount,rw / but novaterm tells me failed no such file or directory Sep 11 08:18:21 if i do "cd /" or not Sep 11 08:18:47 i tried it via root castle and also via putty Sep 11 08:19:11 it worked a few minutes ago with the messaging patch but now no more Sep 11 08:19:17 how about mount -o remount,rw / Sep 11 08:19:21 * Eguy no think linux right now Sep 11 08:19:38 * Eguy think beer right now Sep 11 08:19:56 joshua: aaargh! did i forget that? what a fool i feel! Sep 11 08:20:06 let me try that right now Sep 11 08:20:12 yes Sep 11 08:20:14 -o Sep 11 08:20:16 it was thinking remount was a partition or device Sep 11 08:20:25 -o is for options Sep 11 08:21:12 sweet... you guys are nocturnal lifesavers... !! Sep 11 08:21:27 * Eguy falls over keyboard Sep 11 08:21:29 that is great... looks like i shouldnt sleepwalk and SSH Sep 11 08:21:50 or i should get on board with eguy's beer sipping Sep 11 08:22:41 don't code js and booze Sep 11 08:22:57 i like booze Sep 11 08:23:12 i don't know if anything I do atthis point is code... Sep 11 08:23:20 i am a recovering point and clicker Sep 11 08:23:35 time for sleepy Sep 11 08:23:45 chucking it up tonight Sep 11 08:24:10 aka watching chuck Sep 11 08:24:24 thanks again folks!! much appreciated.. I am too excited to sleep now, i am discovering a new sorld inside this scary black box Sep 11 08:24:35 not sorld... world Sep 11 08:25:07 enjoy the brewskis... i am off to ssh! thanks Sep 11 08:30:58 hi everyone, could someone do me a favour and tell me if there are any certificates shown Certificate Manager? I don't have a Pre :( Sep 11 08:31:11 also has someone been able to log into googletalk on the emulator? Sep 11 08:31:28 Not me, greg_roll Sep 11 08:31:36 (log on to gtalk, that is) Sep 11 08:31:46 So at least you know it don't work for others, either ;) Sep 11 08:31:59 thanks! I think it's a certificate issue on the emulator Sep 11 08:32:07 just wondering whats on the Pre itself Sep 11 08:32:29 I haven't played with the certs, I believe google talk works though. Sep 11 08:32:39 You and me both, greg_roll. Sep 11 08:32:46 * freakout wants a GSM Pre sooooo bad. Sep 11 08:33:06 freakout: me too!!! Sep 11 08:39:48 are you ausi to freakout i cant remember Sep 11 08:39:58 I am indeed Sep 11 08:40:06 i thought so ok Sep 11 08:40:13 Can't you tell from my obviously high intelligence? :-P Sep 11 08:40:31 now a gsm pre... most international cell companies dont have unlimited data do they Sep 11 08:40:44 nope. not Oz ones anyway Sep 11 08:40:46 i must go but ill post back with my finding on certs and gtalk, bye Sep 11 08:40:50 the most you'll get is a few gb's Sep 11 08:40:55 * freakout waves to greg_roll Sep 11 08:41:06 I have to go myself. Dinner party. Sep 11 08:41:06 that would be a bitch with a pre Sep 11 08:41:11 indeed Sep 11 08:41:12 its online 100% of the time Sep 11 08:41:19 And backups every day.. Sep 11 08:41:30 anyhoo, i'll see you later Sep 11 08:41:36 it be worthless to you Sep 11 08:41:39 bye Sep 11 08:45:00 who has 1.2 on their pre? Sep 11 09:12:57 hey when you use twitter do you tweet to a phone number via text or to a short number? Sep 11 09:13:03 or to a weird email addy? Sep 11 09:13:54 By username I believe. Sep 11 09:14:00 Don't do much of that myself. Sep 11 09:14:10 user name how Sep 11 09:14:17 you verify your number in your account Sep 11 09:14:19 username@twitter.com ? Sep 11 09:14:48 then it says txt to 40404 Sep 11 09:15:16 Just username I believe. joshua is right though, there may be a verification thing in there. Sep 11 09:15:35 ok thanks Sep 11 09:15:39 idont use it i was just wondering Sep 11 09:15:47 I don't know how the sending works, there are dedicated twitter clients on the pre Sep 11 09:15:55 or the web browser Sep 11 09:16:23 but in the settings, I just verified myself and it gives me options to send updates to my phone Sep 11 09:16:46 Yeah, I think they do push delivery as well. Sep 11 09:16:55 Or they can anyway. Sep 11 09:17:39 gives you the option to turn off updates certain hours Sep 11 09:17:46 or just direct messages Sep 11 09:20:17 i dont know anything about it dont have one lol just wondering is all Sep 11 09:43:22 who knows where the app catalog dir is stored? Sep 11 09:55:16 whoohoo! google voice now lets you point 2 GV numbers to one physical number Sep 11 10:34:33 1.2 users missing the app catalog http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/202554-leaked-1-2-working-app-catalog.html Sep 11 13:24:52 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons Hows this for an openssh icon, pretty simple... Sep 11 13:33:41 pretty good, i like the theme. Wish ladder was bigger like, thicker. No blowfish? Sep 11 13:34:25 FreeTim: that's what I was thinking redoing it atm less rungs so it's thicker. Sep 11 13:34:38 FreeTim: I'll try to incorperate it Sep 11 13:35:09 Templarian can you verify something for me ??? Sep 11 13:36:34 Templarian http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux says that if you use microsoft's coreflags utility, novaterm for windows will run on a 64 bit system. Have you tried that? If so, I'm going to re-write accessing linux again. Sep 11 13:37:55 is there a way to get beautifyer to be enabled within the add-on Sep 11 13:39:07 I just used the openssh logo instead, i'll use the ladder thing for something else. Sep 11 13:40:02 Rick_work: I haven't tried this. Sep 11 13:40:10 are you willing to? Sep 11 13:40:21 it ought to take just a couple of minutes. Sep 11 13:40:48 FreeTim Templarian hasn't got it working yet. But the web site is very very fast. Sep 11 13:41:20 What didn't I get working? Sep 11 13:41:36 jsbeautifier in the addon Sep 11 13:41:55 at least as recently as a3 which is what's up on your web site Sep 11 13:43:15 "novacom -t open tty://" << is the same thing right? Sep 11 13:43:54 Sorry about that a4 thing forgot i had already incremented my test version on my comp. Sep 11 13:43:58 no Templarian this is a real actual full screen windows program Sep 11 13:44:07 Thanks, Rick... I'll use cut-and-paste for now toFrom the beautifyer Sep 11 13:44:25 but it doesn't run on win64 Sep 11 13:44:58 but someone has entered on the wiki that it will run if you use microsoft's coreflags utility to flip off the 32 bit flag Sep 11 13:45:21 I feel I need that tested. If it's true, I'll just HOST a 64 bit version. Sep 11 13:57:27 i heard you have this "direct" mode where you can access the modem over USB, right? Do you have an AT prompt and can send me some output? Sep 11 13:57:40 e.g. I'd be interested in the output of AT+CLAC and AT+CMUX=? Sep 11 13:59:07 mickeyl there is nothing on the wiki,and I have heard no success at accessing themodem from terminal. Sep 11 13:59:59 ah, ok, i just thought i heard someone talking about being able to put the device into some mode where you could directly talk to the modem (via gadget usb) Sep 11 14:00:17 (not via terminal on the device) Sep 11 14:00:46 mickeyl it's the same thing. Sep 11 14:00:50 Rick_work: funny thing users won't have corflags unless they have specifically installed it (it's not included in VS or anything). Sep 11 14:01:19 Templarian yes, I know, but if it works, I can HOST the modified version. Sep 11 14:01:28 I just need to know it works. Sep 11 14:01:35 There's a direct link to download it on the wiki Sep 11 14:02:09 mickeyl you probably want to do some reading in /com/palm/nova/installer/core/ModemUtilities.class Sep 11 14:03:02 there is also /usr/lib/ipkg/info/pmlinuxmodemcmd.control Sep 11 14:03:09 Rick_work: give me a minute I have to download the SDK I don't use .net 2.0 and it doesn't come with the newer versions. Sep 11 14:03:12 and Sep 11 14:03:29 there is /usr/lib/ipkg/info/pmmodemfactory.control Sep 11 14:03:31 good luck Sep 11 14:03:42 hmm, ok, i guess i should download the emulator beforehand Sep 11 14:03:46 thanks Sep 11 14:04:00 mickeyl the emulator won't help you Sep 11 14:04:10 the emulator runs 8086 code Sep 11 14:04:17 ok, where will i find the ModemUtilities.class then? Sep 11 14:04:19 and does NOT emulate the hardware in any way. Sep 11 14:04:29 on the phone, or in the webos-doctor jar Sep 11 14:04:33 heh Sep 11 14:04:35 i don't have a phone :) Sep 11 14:04:41 then you're screwed. Sep 11 14:04:48 hmm, ok Sep 11 14:04:51 mickeyl: webos doctor wiki page Sep 11 14:05:14 rwhitby: thanks Sep 11 14:05:19 the emulator does -not- emulate the hardware. So, you can't mess with stuff like the modem. Sep 11 14:05:25 mickeyl: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Sep 11 14:05:44 * mickeyl downloads Sep 11 14:05:54 uh, that's _HUGE_ Sep 11 14:06:01 yep Sep 11 14:06:02 yep Sep 11 14:06:22 it's the entire operating system for the phone. Sep 11 14:06:23 look in /com/palm/nova/installer/core and resources/webOS.tar..... Sep 11 14:35:13 good morning Sep 11 14:36:20 mornin Sep 11 14:37:06 how are things going today ? Sep 11 14:37:10 ok, amss.bin looks not too surprising Sep 11 14:37:19 i don't think we'll have any problems talking to the modem Sep 11 14:37:35 _if_ the command access is provided by some serial node Sep 11 14:37:50 i am pretty sure it is Sep 11 14:38:34 good. my qualcomm_msm modem abstraction may just work out of the box then ;) Sep 11 14:39:03 :) Sep 11 17:10:40 are there any packged versions of irssi available? It draws terribly slow via ssh. Sep 11 17:11:19 are you using webos-internals terminal? Sep 11 17:15:23 PuffTheMagic: yeah Sep 11 17:15:40 that will be slow regardless Sep 11 17:15:51 I think it's even slower over ssh though, unless I do it with wifi Sep 11 17:16:10 well yeah evdo is gonna be slower than wifi Sep 11 17:16:15 but its gonna be slow period Sep 11 17:16:23 there is no 2d accell yet Sep 11 17:17:29 yeah, I guess you're right Sep 11 17:17:31 still takes a while to draw Sep 11 17:18:32 how goes that IRC service? ;) Sep 11 17:20:17 Wi-Fi is only as good as the Internet connection. So, evdo could actually be faster. Sep 11 17:20:24 Especially over basic dsl service. Sep 11 17:20:37 Unless you're transferring files inside the network. Sep 11 18:10:14 Does the terminal app have a ctrl key modifier? Sep 11 18:10:43 chrisa: sym Sep 11 18:11:04 chrisa: http://webos-internals.com/wiki/Application:Terminal has a list of them Sep 11 18:11:06 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal has a list of all shotcuts Sep 11 18:11:10 bah Sep 11 18:11:11 , Sep 11 18:11:27 Eguy: :D and i typed the url out Sep 11 18:11:37 hahah Sep 11 18:11:39 :( Sep 11 18:12:10 7 Sep 11 18:12:13 * Templarian wonders what was funny Sep 11 18:12:18 chrisa, i thought you didn't want the terminal!! :( Sep 11 18:12:37 Templarian: gkatsev mocked me Sep 11 18:12:48 always a good laugh :P Sep 11 18:12:53 hahaha Sep 11 18:17:04 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/202606-virus-webos.html facepalm Sep 11 18:18:21 heh Sep 11 18:24:19 *facepalm* Sep 11 18:27:16 Oh no my pre just ran a .exe with a trojan in it! Sep 11 18:27:19 Seems I am not the only one who gets that rediculous error of no memory for the catalog Sep 11 18:27:48 777 is a "simple detail" Sep 11 18:28:41 oh noez we needz nortons for webos cuz trojan viruz Sep 11 18:35:48 anyone port norton to webos yet? Sep 11 18:36:39 egaudet_work: I did, but the battery only lasts 30minutes... hmm. Sep 11 18:37:03 just get a bigger battery, no problem :P Sep 11 18:37:49 hahaha Sep 11 18:38:03 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/202500-how-about-roam-switch.html facepalm x50 Sep 11 18:39:18 maybe I need a js break, I keep typing printf("blah " + var) in C at work Sep 11 18:39:50 lol Sep 11 18:44:59 hmm Sep 11 18:45:08 damn ipls work on the emulator but not the actual phone Sep 11 18:45:25 i thought i might need to mount the filesystem as writable in the postinst, but the vitual keyboard postinst doesnt do that Sep 11 18:45:37 egaudet_work: JS is not too hard to embed, just wire it into your C and work and continue on Sep 11 18:46:09 AnOutsider: preware mounts rw Sep 11 18:46:50 thought so Sep 11 18:46:57 back to the drawing board Sep 11 18:47:06 btw i used quickinstall, but i assume it does the same Sep 11 18:48:46 I can't do my work in JS Sep 11 19:01:23 i get to do my work in js :D Sep 11 19:04:25 egaudet_work: I bet you can, you just need to be more creative! Sep 11 19:11:17 i can't do my work in js either Sep 11 19:12:13 I work with people who actually work on JS Sep 11 19:12:35 I don't think I want to be programming U-boot in JS Sep 11 19:13:10 Gee why not? Sep 11 19:14:10 C is the best :P Sep 11 19:14:26 I'm a js noob too Sep 11 19:16:28 Just make sure you don't overflow your buffers Sep 11 19:18:00 C is fast to run, C is old and therefore well understood, but I _love_ writing in JS. Sep 11 19:18:17 js is fun, especially with canvas Sep 11 19:18:49 I don't overflow my buffers! Sep 11 19:19:02 I've been using prototypal dynamically typed oo languages since the late 1980's Js is like home sweethome. Sep 11 19:20:19 I've pretty much used C only, aside from different classes in school which stopped a few years ago Sep 11 19:22:17 I've never done any js until I bought my Pre Sep 11 19:22:52 well, in 1986 I took over the maintenance of a program which at the time was 125K lines of foxpro. Sep 11 19:23:09 That sounds kind of horrifying Sep 11 19:23:10 so I love when I see those JS conversations fly in the channels and I get to sit back and learn some things Sep 11 19:23:11 Since then, it's become 250K lines of Visual Foxpro 9 Sep 11 19:23:20 But I've never really used foxpro, so maybe it's not so bad Sep 11 19:23:41 egaudet_work: MDC is your friend for js Sep 11 19:23:54 well, here's the thing... it's an object oriented prototypal dynamically typed language with deep data binding. Sep 11 19:24:05 Ah, so not so horrifying Sep 11 19:24:38 Really, in many ways it's my favorite language I've every used. Which is a good thing,since we've written so damned much of it. Sep 11 19:24:51 I keep trying to convince this Rails guy I know that JS is pretty deep, but he gets annoyed by things like objs = ( function () { return { } }() ) Sep 11 19:24:56 But two years ago, Microsloth decided they would never produce a 64 bit version. Sep 11 19:25:01 as a construction to build a package with private vars Sep 11 19:25:05 oof Sep 11 19:26:22 lmorchard but you can add the function to produce a package with privated variables to the PROTOTYPE of functions..... one line of code,then it's part of the prototype. Sep 11 19:26:27 this is a GOOD thing. Sep 11 19:27:01 I like ruby. Ruby was one of the three languages that were finalists for the next version of our primary money making app. Sep 11 19:27:14 i dont like that in js, if you dont define a var with var or let, it will make it a top level var, which would suck Sep 11 19:27:49 gkatsev yes. Scope in JS was a mistake. Sep 11 19:28:07 yeah, mostly lexical except when its not Sep 11 19:28:07 I also wish JS didn't have such a theme of juggling 'this' around Sep 11 19:28:16 such as with this Sep 11 19:28:44 lmorchard all prototypal languages use this extensively, and the meaning of this changes dynamically depending on what THIS is.... Sep 11 19:28:54 aamof, it was our single biggest problem with Java. Sep 11 19:29:14 the inability to refer to this.parent and to not have this.child[] drove me nuts. Sep 11 19:29:56 but then, I'm USED to functions being objects and other functions inheriting DIRECTLY from the prototypal function, and calls cascading up the chain until they find a defined method. Sep 11 19:30:06 they guy from flight view showed us the code to it at webosboston, and he had bound this to me and use me instead because this becomes messy when passing functions around and stuff Sep 11 19:30:13 i think i am a masochist since i like strongly typed languages Sep 11 19:30:21 true Sep 11 19:30:48 Yeah, when I work with a lot of jQuery, I just do a var $this = this somewhere at the top of a method and forget about this Sep 11 19:30:49 and we frequently bind THAT to 'something else' so we can talk about this.property and that.property. Sep 11 19:31:14 But then I think I'm weird because most jQuery users don't build packages and prototypes Sep 11 19:31:38 they just sort of accumulate a tangle of nested calls and never bother modularizing things Sep 11 19:31:39 most jQuery users don't understand much about the prototypal nature of javascript Sep 11 19:31:43 Yup Sep 11 19:32:13 people don't understand that if I have function dog() with a method bark Sep 11 19:32:40 and then have function toydog() = new dog() Sep 11 19:32:59 and then make function pomerianian() = new toydog Sep 11 19:33:05 most people who write js dont know how to write js. they write java or something Sep 11 19:33:53 that if I add a method .jump to toydog even AFTER the declaration of pomeranian it is STILL available to pom because the call propagates up the chain. Sep 11 19:34:25 people don't understand inheritance at all. Sep 11 19:34:51 but then again, I've worked for 25 years in a language where it works JUST like it does in js. :-) Sep 11 19:35:11 and where --all variables are global unless you declare them as private-- so I'm used to that too. Sep 11 19:36:00 my biggest complaint with js is that the idiots who decided that numbers would be IEEE floating points. Sep 11 19:36:08 JEEEZ that was a mistake. Sep 11 19:36:50 there's no simple int's in js, huh ? Sep 11 19:37:03 all numbers are IEEE floating points Period Sep 11 19:37:14 interesting Sep 11 19:37:15 which is a problem Sep 11 19:37:24 since 0.01 + 0.02 is not equal to 0.03 Sep 11 19:38:06 when doing work with money in JS it is nessesary to hold all internal representations as integer pennies and only /100 when you're ready to display. Sep 11 19:38:36 oof Sep 11 19:40:21 i don't like everything as float Sep 11 19:40:44 neither do I. Sep 11 19:41:16 or anyone else I know. Sep 11 19:41:25 and if any of you JS pros ever feel the desire to code review the keyboard patch, let me know how bad my js is :P Sep 11 19:41:39 I've looked at it. Sep 11 19:41:44 it's not bad. Sep 11 19:42:58 that's good to know, I try to follow the advice here and the existing framework that I patch. storing my divs in an array rather than calling .get() for each key stroke for next release Sep 11 19:48:09 yea Sep 11 19:48:15 that's not js so much as it is the dom. Sep 11 19:48:35 and even Doug Crockford said that a book entitle DOM the goodparts would be about 5 pages long Sep 11 19:51:03 folks Sep 11 19:51:36 heh Sep 11 20:20:32 Hi, how do i run openssh on the Pre? I installed it with Preware. I have Terminal if there's a command I need to run Sep 11 20:20:46 woot the shuttle is landing here today Sep 11 20:21:34 zirbizy: ssh server or client? was actually wondering about the client myself. i haven't seen mention of it on the wiki. Sep 11 20:22:01 on the wiki they tell you how to ssh *to* the phone though. Sep 11 20:22:14 Where is that on the wiki? I searched SSH but found nothing Sep 11 20:22:30 It would be cool to have the ssh command line client too Sep 11 20:22:53 yeah. Sep 11 20:24:35 I saw it here. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps#Finishing Sep 11 20:24:50 you can certainly ssh FROM the phone Sep 11 20:24:59 both dropbear and openssh support that Sep 11 20:25:01 Maybe ssh just isn't in my path? Sep 11 20:25:05 you just have to create a set of keys. Sep 11 20:25:08 i'm doing a find / -name "*ssh*" for it now.. Sep 11 20:25:13 that "Next Steps" article is from this portal: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Sep 11 20:25:37 zirbizy Azalyn the PROGRAM that's going toprovide it is dropbear Sep 11 20:25:48 but it shoud respond to an ssh command Sep 11 20:25:48 oh ok Sep 11 20:25:52 is openssh in your startup? Sep 11 20:25:54 the blue pane (right) shows you how to put the phone in dev mode and access linux, and then tells you how to put the optware package manager on it Sep 11 20:25:55 if you just type ssh someplace Sep 11 20:26:00 in 'next steps' Sep 11 20:26:03 from the commandline on the phone Sep 11 20:26:10 hm Sep 11 20:26:13 dbus Sep 11 20:26:27 If i just type ssh: -sh: ssh: not found Sep 11 20:26:38 So maybe it's just not on my path. I didn't find it in /usr/bin Sep 11 20:26:49 Rick_work: is it there by default? Sep 11 20:27:03 did you run the next steps script zirbizy??? Sep 11 20:27:23 and anything optware installs is going to be under /var Sep 11 20:27:37 since palm told us that they weren't messing with /var and that we could play there. Sep 11 20:27:37 No, I haven't run next steps yet, let me do that.. Sep 11 20:27:46 zirbizy then you don't got yet Sep 11 20:27:55 ok Sep 11 20:27:57 you gotta do that. without it your system is crippled Sep 11 20:28:49 oh actually, ssh is in /opt/bin Sep 11 20:28:52 eh? /var ? Sep 11 20:28:59 yeah.. it's supposed to be /opt Sep 11 20:29:02 according to the wiki Sep 11 20:29:08 yes but that's PALM's ssk Sep 11 20:29:09 oh i see Sep 11 20:29:12 and Azalyn you're right Sep 11 20:29:13 okay, let me first run next steps.. Sep 11 20:29:21 and zirbizy that ssh is crippled Sep 11 20:29:26 run the next steps Sep 11 20:29:30 really pretty please Sep 11 20:29:44 Azalyn you're dead right mojo stuff in /var linux stuff in /opt Sep 11 20:29:46 sorry about that Sep 11 20:30:18 it's ok. i don't even have the phone yet. i've just been perusing the wiki for the past few days Sep 11 20:30:23 trying to get all the details. Sep 11 20:30:31 I'm probably going to get it tomorrow Sep 11 20:31:32 start the weekend early and get one today :) Sep 11 20:31:45 :P Sep 11 20:32:25 i'm still not sure where to get it from. in canada, it seems futureshop/bestbuy have it, and bell have their own kiosks. Sep 11 20:32:41 whichever one will sell it the cheapest would probably be a good bet Sep 11 20:33:00 same price. but i'm wondering about coverage in case of problems. Sep 11 20:33:40 futureshop says if i pay 9 dollars a month, then i can replace the phone with another if anything ever breaks Sep 11 20:33:52 can't get through to bell to ask what they offer. Sep 11 20:33:56 ah Sep 11 20:36:33 bell no have 800 number? Sep 11 20:36:41 Why does Next Steps recommend turning Developer Mode off? Sep 11 20:36:53 no good reason that we can think of Sep 11 20:37:00 but every time we remove it, someone puts it back Sep 11 20:37:01 (btw, I ran optware-bootstrap.sh and everything was successful) Sep 11 20:37:08 (and ssh works!) Sep 11 20:37:16 that's what I told you. :-) Sep 11 20:37:22 thanks :) Sep 11 20:39:05 Next Steps says "To change your shell to bash (located in /opt/bin/bash after the install)"... but I don't find bash in /opt/bin Sep 11 20:40:13 Ahh, I see i have to run ipkg-opt install bash Sep 11 20:42:36 ok, finally got through to a bell kiosk Sep 11 20:42:44 seems it's pretty much the same Sep 11 20:43:06 although they offer an extended warranty (3 years instead of the normal 1 year) Sep 11 20:45:25 who has more of a presence or is more convenient ? Sep 11 20:46:18 well. futureshop is closer. bell's nearest kiosk is a bit further away. (say.. 2 minutes vs 10-15 minutes by car) Sep 11 20:47:03 as for presence.. both are more or less around.. bell has kiosks in many malls. and futureshops or bestbuys are also around. (bestbuy owns futureshop) Sep 11 20:47:27 sounds like closest wins ? Sep 11 20:48:13 yeah. although i don't know. i'm leaning towards bell because after all, the contract is with them. Sep 11 20:48:48 I obsess over the stupidest things. :| Sep 11 20:48:52 i don't think it matters where you got it since the contract is with bell .. Sep 11 20:49:04 unless the insurance is through a completely different provider Sep 11 20:49:29 How do I type a backslash (\) in the Pre terminal? Sep 11 21:04:29 good question .. i also don't know how to type { and } .. Sep 11 21:09:54 are there situations where { } would be needed? Sep 11 21:10:19 \ is important for escaping spaces. Sep 11 21:10:34 i checked the wiki, it mentions how to type other stuff.. but not \ Sep 11 21:10:44 this. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal#Operating_notes Sep 11 21:12:13 I was just able to SSH into my Pre, so now I can use a normal keyboard Sep 11 21:13:27 anyone have those "invisible shields" ? Sep 11 21:13:34 wondering if it's worth getting. Sep 11 21:13:36 I had the invisible shield... twice Sep 11 21:13:58 first time, pre's speaker blew and I had to exchange... bye bye invisi-shield had to buy new one Sep 11 21:14:18 it.. blew? o_O Sep 11 21:14:21 2nd time, touch-screen stopped working and I had to exchange... bye bye invisi-shield and I'm not buying another Sep 11 21:14:52 ouch.. Sep 11 21:14:52 ouch eguy Sep 11 21:14:57 I mean egaudet Sep 11 21:14:59 ;) Sep 11 21:15:02 now that is too funny Sep 11 21:15:14 The pre's screen is pretty good, once it's on the those minor scratches are not visible. Sep 11 21:15:29 so you ended up with two defective pre's? Sep 11 21:15:29 Templarian, once what is on? Sep 11 21:15:39 Plus after a point all the scratches kind of just remove a layer of the screen and you basically have a new screen. Sep 11 21:15:39 or do you think the shields actually had something to do with it? Sep 11 21:15:43 Azalyn, yea Sep 11 21:16:02 i doubt the shield had anything to do with it Sep 11 21:16:06 egaudet_the device Sep 11 21:16:06 my invisibleshield idn't scratch my screen Sep 11 21:16:08 yeah, seems implausible Sep 11 21:16:14 didn't* Sep 11 21:16:21 i htink my first pre came broken (speaker) i just at first thought the loud feedback was the card throwaway sound Sep 11 21:16:34 until I heard it on music and speaker phone, realized the speaker was busted Sep 11 21:16:39 even if the small scratches are not noticable... honestly, given how much this thing costs.. Sep 11 21:16:45 I really want to pamper it. :| Sep 11 21:17:08 Templarian, oh yea. I like it without shields too. nice and smooth and responsive Sep 11 21:17:28 I figure I'm not going to baby touch screen anything, if it's meant to touch... IM TOUCHING IT! Sep 11 21:17:38 Azalyn: it's only a 200 dollar phone... i'm video taping it when i skip it across the water. Sep 11 21:17:53 plus the magnetic side-case is way too snug when the shield is on Sep 11 21:18:04 lol Templarian, you better get a 20 skipper Sep 11 21:18:08 at least Sep 11 21:18:25 I'm not nice to any of my toys. They are TOYS they are meant to have fun with. Like may laptop i've chipped and dented it so much. Sep 11 21:18:41 my* Sep 11 21:19:01 my laptop took a 6 foot fall and has a tiny chip out of it Sep 11 21:19:10 well, i want to have fun with it too. like a toy Sep 11 21:19:21 but i can at least have... "protection" Sep 11 21:19:23 hehe Sep 11 21:19:31 but... i spent more on my phone than i did my laptop Sep 11 21:19:36 That's what insurance is for. Sep 11 21:19:45 meh what are you really protecting though? Sep 11 21:19:53 my SOUL Sep 11 21:19:55 you plan on scratching it with your super sharp nails? Sep 11 21:19:55 :P Sep 11 21:19:57 lol Sep 11 21:20:00 My laptop is still more even after the 2 year plan. Sep 11 21:20:08 egaudet_work: I am paranoid Sep 11 21:20:08 indeed, insurance Sep 11 21:20:34 my pre has no protection at the moment other than the slip cover Sep 11 21:20:38 Azalyn i was too, I guess the 2 exchanges with no $20 shield refund made me realize Sep 11 21:20:54 its been dropped a few times and only has a tiny pit about the size of a pencil point Sep 11 21:20:56 I mean really, if I scratch it so bad that it's noticeable... $100 insurance get a new one Sep 11 21:21:01 i actually like matte finishes because they seem to tough it out better. and of course they don't show fingerprints. Sep 11 21:21:24 you can't see fingerprints on the pre when on, and you CAN see fingerprints on the shield when off Sep 11 21:21:25 they seem to touch it out better because they make it hard to see the damage Sep 11 21:21:31 so i consider the matte touchstone backplate a 'bonus' in addition to the sweet inductive charging Sep 11 21:21:47 oh yea i want a touchstone Sep 11 21:21:55 that's on my list Sep 11 21:21:58 hello everyone Sep 11 21:22:01 i'm just gonna build my own touchstone Sep 11 21:22:04 i'm cheap Sep 11 21:22:05 hello Decimation_ Sep 11 21:22:05 I'll wait till it's like 20USD and get one. Sep 11 21:22:18 Hey Decimation_ Sep 11 21:22:36 egaudet_work, Templarian: how's it going? :) Sep 11 21:22:47 the teardown they did on that one site claims it costs like five dollars Sep 11 21:22:47 :| Sep 11 21:22:49 pretty good but it's friday and I dont know why I'm still at work Sep 11 21:22:57 commute time! Sep 11 21:23:00 would be nice if third parties created compatible charging stations Sep 11 21:23:00 good, university free stuff day was today so got a nice large poster. Sep 11 21:23:27 from what i've read, even using third party usb chargers can screw you. Sep 11 21:23:38 Yes - I had one and hte voltages were differently wired Sep 11 21:23:46 I entered to win a Palm Pre from sprint and blackberry from Verison Sep 11 21:23:52 *z Sep 11 21:26:02 * lmorchard reads scrollback Sep 11 21:26:32 Huh. I've got a ZAGG invisibleshield, and I've already gotten a free warranty replacement. they'll ship them if you have to replace the device Sep 11 21:29:13 http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110433296049 Sep 11 21:29:18 I've created a wiki page that's a dumbed down version of what I did to get to a good starting point on a Pre Sep 11 21:29:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/HitchhikersGuide Sep 11 21:29:20 I ordered one. Sep 11 21:29:28 lmorchard: does it matter where you bought it from? :| Sep 11 21:29:34 I wouldn't bother with the full body though Sep 11 21:29:40 since i got it here from ebay. but it's new. Sep 11 21:29:42 since the back cover is easily replaced for less than the cost of the shield Sep 11 21:29:55 I just got this: http://store.precentral.net/invisibleshield-front-coverage/15A43A5708.htm Sep 11 21:30:12 zirbizy: Too difficult Sep 11 21:30:18 not clear enough Sep 11 21:30:31 Azalyn: Doesn't really matter where you get it, as long as it comes with a warrantee code card Sep 11 21:30:40 you can register at zagg.com and request replacements Sep 11 21:31:13 lol, first week of school was this week. fun stuff :) Sep 11 21:31:27 @Eguy I found the initial steps too difficult which is why I created that Sep 11 21:31:37 Bye everyone, thanks for all of your help! Time to hack.. Sep 11 21:31:51 lmorchard: alright. Sep 11 21:31:54 I'm kind of hot on having a shield on my pre, because I got just one tiny scratch in the middle of my Centro screen and it annoyed the crap out of me for 2 years Sep 11 21:31:58 given that it's new it should have the card. Sep 11 21:32:26 eventually i might get a pouch for it too. Sep 11 21:32:38 I don't have a warranty card? Sep 11 21:32:39 Azalyn: One thing I'd say is that if you get the version that comes with a sponge, you might want to buy a spray bottle and transfer the liquid to it Sep 11 21:32:45 Just the plastic with a sku Sep 11 21:32:48 application is a pain in the butt otherwise Sep 11 21:33:02 sponge? :| Sep 11 21:33:06 and a bar code Sep 11 21:33:32 Yeah, to keep the thing mobile and relatively lint free during application, you have to wet the skin down Sep 11 21:33:54 I've got the 2nd review on that precentral page with my adventure Sep 11 21:33:59 and there's a version without a sponge? Sep 11 21:34:12 The other version has a slim spray bottle Sep 11 21:34:22 I suspect the sponge is cheaper, so that might be the newer one Sep 11 21:34:49 mine has a spay and a squeege Sep 11 21:34:54 ya sponge is not that great Sep 11 21:35:12 i am hoping teh last of the air bubbles work there way out soon Sep 11 21:35:19 I actually had bits of sponge along with lint sticking to the skin on my first try Sep 11 21:35:42 sponge stayed in pretty good shape Sep 11 21:36:00 my 2nd try ended up being flawless except for a little bit of peeling on the curves on the bottom part of the skin Sep 11 21:36:21 did u get a new one? or just take it off adn reapply? Sep 11 21:37:13 I ended up getting my free replacement for a new one Sep 11 21:42:07 http://www.facebook.com/pages/ZAGG/18479431209?v=feed&story_fbid=245714365234 Sep 11 21:43:53 so before they had like a card? and a spray? Sep 11 21:44:25 you could technically use something else instead of the card, no? Sep 11 21:44:40 i hard a card and a sponge Sep 11 21:44:44 had* Sep 11 21:46:42 http://www.gpsmagazine.com/assets/review-invisibleshield/IMG_0526.jpg Sep 11 21:46:45 like that? Sep 11 21:46:47 Yeah, I had a card and a sponge, and the card doubled as the warranty card and a discount card Sep 11 21:47:05 Azalyn: No, but my second one with a spray bottle had one just like that Sep 11 21:47:15 the first one's card was more like a plastic gift card Sep 11 21:47:26 the second one is more like a hard rubber squeegee Sep 11 21:47:39 pretty sure it's a cost cutting measure Sep 11 21:48:00 I hope mine is older. :\ Sep 11 21:48:13 given that it's from ebay, it's possible. Sep 11 21:48:48 morning Sep 11 21:48:56 hey Sep 11 21:50:26 morning rwhitby Sep 11 21:55:07 they make it look so easy.. even with the sponge. http://www.zagg.com/support/installvideo.php Sep 11 21:55:56 It really isn't Sep 11 21:55:58 it says you can refill the sponge tray with tap water too. Sep 11 21:56:02 I never get a perfect applications Sep 11 21:56:04 It's close to that easy with the spray, but ugh sponge Sep 11 21:56:45 i think i have a spray bottle i can use, in the worst case scenario Sep 11 21:57:37 I'm not sure what the solution is exactly, besides maybe purified water Sep 11 21:57:45 well, looks like my Pre is a long way off .... the guy who had a spare one has pulled out (he's going to try and get a full refund on it), and there's been no new donations in 36 hours. Sep 11 21:58:00 :-( Sep 11 21:58:13 I would send you money but I am still poor from the wedding..... Sep 11 21:58:33 Rick_work: devs shouldn't be expected to send money - devs donate time and effort already Sep 11 21:58:35 and if he fails at the refund... then you're back on Sep 11 21:58:40 Rick: they will do that to ya Sep 11 21:58:57 even tho we didn't pay for the WEDDING.... Sep 11 21:59:07 all the travel and eveyrthing was 'bad' Sep 11 22:01:04 rwhitby: i might donate. i have to see how much money i'll have left after tomorrow. Sep 11 22:01:55 seriously, guys who help out in the channel here shouldn't be donating - it's the thousands of people who just use the webos-internals stuff and don't give anything back in time or effort that should (imho) Sep 11 22:02:39 well. i'm not a developer. although i've wanted to learn for awhile. Sep 11 22:03:01 i don't use webos-internals yet, but i plan to. which is why i'd like to help out. Sep 11 22:04:22 hey guys hows everything going Sep 11 22:04:46 hey bsdbandit Sep 11 22:04:46 did anyone install the sdk on the mac and if so where do you access the palm command line from Sep 11 22:04:49 ? Sep 11 22:05:07 /opt/PalmSDK Sep 11 22:05:56 rwhitby: is the forum the only place where the donation stuff is posted? Sep 11 22:05:59 * rwhitby completed the snow leopard upgrade last night, but is fighting with meta key in emacs in iTerm this morning. Sep 11 22:06:00 ok Sep 11 22:06:20 maybe if there was a link on the wiki, more people would see it Sep 11 22:06:26 thank you Sep 11 22:06:36 oh ok Sep 11 22:06:37 cool Sep 11 22:06:45 how do you like snow leopard Sep 11 22:06:49 its a good os Sep 11 22:06:52 so far so good Sep 11 22:07:06 I wonder how the community would react to an adsense box and donate link like on http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ .... Sep 11 22:07:13 * Eguy is sorry for rwhitby becasue he installed snow leopard Sep 11 22:07:25 hey i installed it tp eguy Sep 11 22:07:36 what are you saying about snow leopard Sep 11 22:07:37 ? Sep 11 22:07:45 it's crap Sep 11 22:07:48 complete crap Sep 11 22:07:50 how Sep 11 22:07:57 what makes it crap Sep 11 22:07:59 ? Sep 11 22:07:59 how? in what way is it GOOD? Sep 11 22:08:02 bsdbandit: Eguy is just trolling. Keep him hungry. Sep 11 22:08:06 hahahhahaha Sep 11 22:08:06 ok Sep 11 22:08:08 feed meee Sep 11 22:08:12 lol Sep 11 22:08:23 im a command line junkie Sep 11 22:08:37 I think we all are here Sep 11 22:08:38 so the snow leopard works great for me Sep 11 22:08:43 oh ok Sep 11 22:08:47 i would hope so Sep 11 22:08:55 its somthing to hack on and make it work for you Sep 11 22:09:00 thats all Sep 11 22:09:12 interesting Sep 11 22:09:29 this would appear to be official endorsement of a sort for homebrew apps Sep 11 22:09:29 http://www.precentral.net/palm-responds-nanplayer-app-catalog-issue Sep 11 22:09:36 While we can’t accept NaNPlayer into the App Catalog right now, we are not rejecting it, and we are happy for it to continue life as a homebrew application until we get to the point where we can release public, supportable APIs for the functionality that it requires. Sep 11 22:10:31 ^ was chuq on precentral forum Sep 11 22:11:08 I know Sep 11 22:11:15 * Eguy was wondering the same thing as dest Sep 11 22:11:28 They do support homebrew. Sep 11 22:11:41 That is shocking Sep 11 22:11:41 yeah i read that Sep 11 22:11:44 from palm Sep 11 22:11:46 thats crazy Sep 11 22:11:50 I guess despite some of the issues we've had with the EULA,, it's good to remember that you'd never hear anything like that from apple Sep 11 22:12:07 Can anyone help me with using the downloadmanager service? Sep 11 22:12:19 woohoo I will get to hear the boom boom of the shuttle tonight and get to have my house shake Sep 11 22:12:33 where are you located Sep 11 22:12:34 ? Sep 11 22:13:08 LA Sep 11 22:13:13 destinal1: yeah, that matches what he said at the San Diego PreDevCamp Sep 11 22:14:06 woof woof doggies Sep 11 22:14:06 oh ok Sep 11 22:14:18 what LA like i have never been on the west coats Sep 11 22:14:21 coast Sep 11 22:14:32 I'm watching the astronaut doing weather flying Sep 11 22:14:36 fun Sep 11 22:14:51 Los Angeles bsdbandit....it's the only LA Sep 11 22:15:01 all other LA's are fake Sep 11 22:15:54 hmm no one on #webos is responding. Sep 11 22:16:11 Anyone here know how to use the downloadmanager service? Sep 11 22:16:18 ...no surpise Sep 11 22:17:17 ya know what the pre needs... Sep 11 22:17:19 video recording! Sep 11 22:17:31 you know what rwhitby needs... Sep 11 22:17:33 a pre! Sep 11 22:18:03 is there a cdma provider in australia? Sep 11 22:18:10 no Sep 11 22:18:32 it's worthwhile to have as a mobile computer though Sep 11 22:18:36 yeah Sep 11 22:18:50 plus it would be cool for development / testing of webos stuff Sep 11 22:19:00 hey Wizard Sep 11 22:19:04 read the wiki Sep 11 22:19:08 I saw that Sep 11 22:19:08 that is what its there for Sep 11 22:19:10 GSM should be out soon Sep 11 22:19:12 Didn't help much... Sep 11 22:19:18 google man Sep 11 22:19:24 google.com Sep 11 22:19:26 What's a pre decimation? Sep 11 22:19:28 No code, just how to use the service. I am searching PreCentral now Sep 11 22:19:34 good Sep 11 22:19:39 Eguy: castle Sep 11 22:19:42 All I know is a pixi Sep 11 22:20:08 yeah i heard that the pixi does not have wifi Sep 11 22:20:11 im like huh Sep 11 22:20:11 ? Sep 11 22:20:11 before the pixies, there were castles. pixies are much smaller than castles Sep 11 22:20:21 they should just combine all terms into one device Sep 11 22:20:28 the Pre nova pixi castle Sep 11 22:20:43 now with 4G Sep 11 22:21:13 Eguy: uh, yeah, they should totally do that.. or.. uh, not. Sep 11 22:21:23 It would be a long box Sep 11 22:21:32 TIWizard: just look in the source code to fileCoaster. oh, hang on, it's obfuscated closed source - scratch that idea. just look in Palm's source for the appfinder app, the weave library. Sep 11 22:21:40 and on the accessory box: compatible with the Pre nova pixi castle Sep 11 22:21:54 was nova the codename for the pre or something? Sep 11 22:21:57 Ok, thanks :) Looking at the browser's download manager code right now Sep 11 22:22:03 nova is webos Sep 11 22:22:15 ohh wupps I forgot luna Sep 11 22:22:24 which palm stole illegally from microsoft Sep 11 22:22:32 Eguy: lol Sep 11 22:22:48 :D Sep 11 22:23:07 The code I have now will call the onFailure callback... Are there error codes I can use to help debug? Sep 11 22:23:50 rwhitby: tell people if they donate to get you a pre, they will get video recording. Sep 11 22:23:53 :) Sep 11 22:24:18 Decimation_: a donation has no strings attached and no expectations of anything in return. you're describing a bounty. Sep 11 22:25:04 hahaha Sep 11 22:25:08 well say if they give money to help get you a pre, all their wildest dreams will come true. Sep 11 22:25:14 rwhitby = boba fett??? Sep 11 22:25:15 my bad, i hate the misuse of donation myself. Sep 11 22:26:00 rwhitby: although GSM is rumored to be anounced on the 15th. Sep 11 22:28:36 * Eguy bbl Sep 11 22:29:52 My code _looks_ like it should work... Copied and pasted it out of the browser code, but it only calls the onFailure callback... Sep 11 22:30:58 Hmm... Can an image be downloaded off the web and onto the device without using the download manager service? Sep 11 22:34:47 announcements are moot Sep 11 22:34:49 shipping counts Sep 11 22:34:50 ;) Sep 11 22:36:25 lol, chuq just keeps responding to stuff on the precentral boards. Sep 11 22:37:35 im out, but just incase anyone ask where he replied today, heres the link Sep 11 22:37:35 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/202583-heard-palm-yet.html#post1886727 Sep 11 22:39:01 D: Stupid download manager won't work :( Sep 11 22:42:32 anyone else getting the preware service not running message with 0.8.5? seems to have failed silently Sep 11 22:44:44 hello folks. I just removed the "media sync" button that shows up when I connect my usb cable Sep 11 22:44:45 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Launcher_Hide_Media_Sync_Option Sep 11 22:45:17 but there is some black space where the button was. Does anybody know how to make that notification shorter? Sep 11 22:45:26 (What's a CTCP version?) Sep 11 22:46:08 an irc check to see what client you're using Sep 11 22:46:44 okay, have you tried the patch I linked to? Sep 11 22:46:59 and i assume there is a png you need to edit to get rid of the black space, i dunno where its located Sep 11 22:49:40 havent applie that patch myself as i always just dismiss that notification screen Sep 11 22:49:56 thanks anyway. Sep 11 22:50:11 do you apply your patches on the command line or do you use preware? Sep 11 22:50:45 on the command line Sep 11 22:59:38 Did Palm announce when the 1.2 would be really out? Sep 11 22:59:56 Their last patches were on Sundays, no? So we can guess maybe this Sunday? Sep 11 23:00:23 they said maybe till the end of the month Sep 11 23:01:10 i should go ask in the official developer forums and see if they can give me a better answer Sep 11 23:04:57 Is there a way to log into the terminal on the phone itself? Sep 11 23:05:17 Interesting: cpcrook removes svn repo from wiki page: http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=VideoRecording&diff=5688&oldid=5595 Sep 11 23:08:15 found the answer to my question: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Sep 11 23:21:27 rwhitby: yes, was surprised.. no idea why? Sep 11 23:27:27 themes via ipk? frak yeah Sep 11 23:28:50 AnOutsider: got it working yet? :) Sep 11 23:30:56 rwhitby: he has ipk packaged themes, get em on preware :) Sep 11 23:31:14 AnOutsider: do you have a mojo app to pick which one is enabled? Sep 11 23:32:19 not yet, first step was taking themes from all these random designers and getting them into a standardized form Sep 11 23:32:34 now ive got those (and the boot logos) in ipks with postinst's Sep 11 23:32:45 now comes the part that the normal folk will enjoy (app) Sep 11 23:32:56 in the meantime though, I'm happy to provide a feed to preware Sep 11 23:33:02 i would install those Sep 11 23:33:03 should help boost preware users as well Sep 11 23:33:13 but theres no download for the original one Sep 11 23:33:49 I'll probably add it at some point, not sure how palm would take that tho Sep 11 23:34:08 I do have the default bootlogo up tho Sep 11 23:34:18 i doubt they'd care, but who knows. Sep 11 23:34:34 they cared about the android theme Sep 11 23:34:49 but then I guess that was competition from another device. I'll try it out and see what's what Sep 11 23:35:19 I had to include original images from the OS with the ipks tho as I noticed if you installed 2 themes back to back and the second one doesnt change an image that the first one did... it got a bit weird Sep 11 23:35:26 theme-medly Sep 11 23:35:44 all they are going to do is ask you to take it down if anything. Sep 11 23:36:02 and at that point, someone will host it on rapidshare or something haha Sep 11 23:36:26 AnOutsider: I need to talk to you about the postinst scripts - how does the uninstall work without you needing to redistribute Palm proprietary files? You don't seem to be doing any backup of the existing files on the device in your postinst scripts? Sep 11 23:37:18 tell users they need to start off with original images, then check md5 to see if it is the original file, back up if so... Sep 11 23:37:39 Decimation_: right - that's the type of thing I was expecting to see. Sep 11 23:38:06 since you specifically cannot publicly redistribute palm files. Sep 11 23:38:09 at the moment, no I'm not doing any of that Sep 11 23:38:13 i guess its just all with time. Sep 11 23:38:28 as mentioned above, I ended up packaging some of the palm images to help replace images that were overwritten by other themes Sep 11 23:38:39 AnOutsider: redistribution of Palm copyright files is the one thing that Palm has specifically come in here and warned us about. Sep 11 23:38:39 if that's going to be a prob, then we can wait Sep 11 23:39:05 AnOutsider: let's work on a postinstall scheme which removes the need to distribute those files. Sep 11 23:39:59 that's going to require a lot, which is why I was saving it for the app and not just the IPKs Sep 11 23:40:00 have a chat to JackieRipper or egaudet - they are our scripting wizards :-) Sep 11 23:40:09 it's not jsut scripting really Sep 11 23:40:35 if I go the route Dec mentioned, I'm going to have to store a checksum of every image that's themable Sep 11 23:41:05 which means indexing a crapload of files. really, what I'll likely do in the end is make a backup of the current setup when users install Sep 11 23:41:15 then revert back before any new themes are installed Sep 11 23:41:25 isn't it as easy as: 1) if image.org does not exist, move image to image.org 2) install new image Sep 11 23:41:45 and for uninstall: 1) if image.org exists, move image.org to image Sep 11 23:42:06 loop over that for each image that is being replaced Sep 11 23:43:00 I wonder if palm would mind you base64 encoding the originals and releasing as a diff/patch... Sep 11 23:43:20 lol, there has to be a faster way to see some changes then restarting luna. Sep 11 23:43:50 Eguy: I posted http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1887784 to that thread you mentioned 6 hours ago Sep 11 23:44:40 misterikkit: it's only a patch if the stuff you are patching in is yours. A patch that only contains Palm binary contents would be frowned upon. Sep 11 23:44:57 rwhitby: that's solving the issue of storage, but not really the mechanism of tracking originals Sep 11 23:45:17 AnOutsider: how does that scheme fail to preserve the originals? Sep 11 23:45:21 well I mean, palm also said "no distributing apps made with the SDK outside of app cat" Sep 11 23:45:29 and they're now fine with NaNPlayer being homebrew Sep 11 23:45:48 AnOutsider: no, they said no selling apps outside the app cat - very different thing. Sep 11 23:46:15 AnOutsider: and one thing is copyright law, the other is an EULA to use the SDK - also two very different things. Sep 11 23:46:41 is NaNplayer different from Music (remix) ? Sep 11 23:47:27 I don't want to be the wet blanket here, but copyright law is the thing which allows open source to exist. If we bend copyright law to redistribute proprietary files from Palm then we are just as bad as the companies that don't comply with the GPL. Sep 11 23:49:06 I hate windows! Sep 11 23:51:01 hey, not raining on my parade Sep 11 23:51:09 like I said, it'll be done, but it's not a focus right now Sep 11 23:51:23 at worst, users will have to go and find a default theme set Sep 11 23:51:34 OpenSSH installable through preware, i like it. Sep 11 23:51:50 AnOutsider: sure - we'll be very happy to help with the postinst and prerm scripts to implement such a scheme Sep 11 23:52:20 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1887826&posted=1#post1887567 <- that took longer than I expected to happen. Sep 11 23:53:27 Decimation_: as it says, just the binaries so far, no configuration of iptables or upstart or anything yet. Sep 11 23:53:47 rwhitby: but its progress, therefore, i like it :) Sep 11 23:54:08 rwhitby: i like your reply as well Sep 11 23:55:39 video recording and voice recording. Sep 11 23:55:42 all the pre is missing. Sep 11 23:56:20 the increase in apps weekly is nice, so im satisfied as far as that goes. Sep 11 23:57:54 * Templarian is back Sep 11 23:58:24 (was it this channel or #webos that that guy needed help in?) Sep 12 00:00:10 Templarian: webos Sep 12 00:00:14 Templarian: looks like #webos Sep 12 00:09:23 Thanks guys. Sep 12 01:42:09 hey guys Sep 12 01:42:27 hey Sep 12 01:42:43 I got a quick question, why does a python script run when executed as 'python script' and not 'script'? It says Bad interpreter, file missing, along those lines. It's confuzzling me Sep 12 01:43:01 * oil has no clue Sep 12 01:43:07 :( Sep 12 01:43:08 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=optware/nano/Makefile - who thinks they would be able to write files like that to package Optware stuff up for Preware? Sep 12 01:43:18 aYellowBanana: usually the wrong path in the #! Sep 12 01:43:33 I did a 'which python' and it appears to be correct :-/ Sep 12 01:43:45 aYellowBanana: what's the first line of the script say? Sep 12 01:43:48 iTouch:/usr/bin root# boom Sep 12 01:43:50 -sh: /usr/bin/boom: /usr/bin/python^M: bad interpreter: No such file or director Sep 12 01:44:10 aYellowBanana: ah, your script has DOS line endings - fix that and it will work. Sep 12 01:44:18 I thought that was it Sep 12 01:44:20 hehe Sep 12 01:44:29 thanks Sep 12 01:44:40 so, how is everything coming along? PreWare running good? Sep 12 01:45:45 aYellowBanana: I'm trying to get a Pre so I can test it on the device: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-general-chat/202126-rwhitby-needs-pre.html - spread the word :-) Sep 12 01:46:30 some people are reporting service restarts, but we don't have any good beta testing reports to be able to reproduce or diagnose it. Sep 12 01:46:43 * aYellowBanana skips in joy as his cryptic tr -d '\r' command worked Sep 12 01:46:51 rwhitby, LMAO Sep 12 01:47:32 * rwhitby didn't realise he'd said anything funny ... Sep 12 01:48:14 :) Sep 12 01:48:24 if I had the authority to, I would donate :P Sep 12 01:48:32 hmm - ipkg-build doesn't work too well on snow leopard ... Sep 12 01:48:48 could someone do me a favour and tell me if the Pre has any certificates showing up in the certificates app? Sep 12 01:48:48 rwhitby, how would you find those jtag ports? You thinking about doing some unlocking stuff on the phone? Sep 12 01:49:21 certificates app? Sep 12 01:50:02 * oil has never seen it, but would look at it for greg_roll Sep 12 01:50:18 yeah, it's well hidden - I've seen it once, but can't remember where Sep 12 01:50:38 * oil hasn't "rooted" his phone Sep 12 01:50:50 ah, Device Info -> Preferences -> Certificate Manager Sep 12 01:51:05 greg_roll: none installed on the emulator Sep 12 01:51:36 greg_roll: there is Sep 12 01:51:48 two websites i've visited Sep 12 01:51:57 * rwhitby bbl Sep 12 01:51:57 sprint.com and xbox.com Sep 12 01:52:09 oll and rwhitby: thanks Sep 12 01:52:13 np Sep 12 01:52:20 probably any page ive visited thats https Sep 12 01:52:27 which is just those two Sep 12 01:52:37 i'm trying to figure out why gtalk wont login on the emulator, i think its a cert issue but obviously one that doesn't show up in the cert app Sep 12 01:52:47 uh Sep 12 01:52:50 i dont use gtalk Sep 12 01:52:53 maybe if i did there would be one Sep 12 01:53:28 neither do I, but i've got Messenger natively in the emulator and it has the same cert error logging on. I was hoping to fix it to check messenger works correctly Sep 12 02:01:27 i cant remember if i could log into the messenger from the emu or not Sep 12 02:01:33 i do remember sending emails from it Sep 12 02:04:22 Woo hoo! Sep 12 02:04:30 18,000 checkers downloads! Sep 12 02:05:41 kesne = the man? Sep 12 02:05:53 Haha Sep 12 02:05:56 It's crazy man Sep 12 02:06:00 More in 24 hours Sep 12 02:06:00 lol Sep 12 02:06:08 reviews getting better? Sep 12 02:06:11 than in many weeks on PreCentral Sep 12 02:06:15 Reviews suck man Sep 12 02:06:16 lol Sep 12 02:06:18 this is actually having messenger as an account you can add in the messaging app Sep 12 02:06:25 "Great Game! How do you play?" Sep 12 02:06:35 i'm just working on yahoo, then ill compile for the pre and package up Sep 12 02:06:51 I have this guy that was like "Best app on the catalog!" and rated it one start Sep 12 02:06:54 *star Sep 12 02:07:00 yeah, i saw that Sep 12 02:07:05 greg_roll: aren't they bringing yahoo messenger to 1.2? Sep 12 02:07:41 not sure?! if they are I wont worry about it and just do MSN Sep 12 02:07:47 can anyone confirm? Sep 12 02:08:39 the pixi has it Sep 12 02:09:15 oil: you are right! http://www.precentral.net/palm-adding-yahoo-linkedin-synergy-new-facebook-app-too Sep 12 02:09:24 ok ill just add MSN for now :) Sep 12 02:09:24 yeah Sep 12 02:09:27 i found that with google Sep 12 02:09:27 18181 downloads Sep 12 02:09:28 Lol Sep 12 02:09:32 it says pixi has it Sep 12 02:09:33 I love numbers that are strange Sep 12 02:09:34 i need to get around to looking at which libs they are using for the messenger app Sep 12 02:09:40 but that they're unsure if pixi has 1.2 or not Sep 12 02:09:47 i have a feeling it's the telepathy libs but not sure Sep 12 02:09:47 my phone is totally screwed up Sep 12 02:09:50 Pixi does have 1.2 Sep 12 02:09:51 lol Sep 12 02:09:52 confirmed Sep 12 02:10:05 but facebook app and yahoo are in 1.2? Sep 12 02:10:13 1.2 for the pre Sep 12 02:10:23 so 1.2 is the spambot/pornbot edition? Sep 12 02:10:28 where is Jack87 when you need him to test something in 1.2? Sep 12 02:10:32 Can someone tell me what the output of " grep messagebus /etc/passwd " is? Sep 12 02:10:48 Gadfly, on emu or on device? Sep 12 02:11:50 no output on my phone Sep 12 02:11:52 device Sep 12 02:12:15 anyone adventourous want to try /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart ? Sep 12 02:12:26 lol Sep 12 02:12:26 I get "Stopping system message bus: start-stop-daemon: unknown user name: messagebus" Sep 12 02:12:32 "Gadfly: my phone is totally screwed up" Sep 12 02:12:38 yes ;-) Sep 12 02:12:41 and you want me to run commands? Sep 12 02:12:42 xD Sep 12 02:12:56 grep won't harm anything Sep 12 02:13:03 i know Sep 12 02:13:11 im just messing with you Sep 12 02:13:13 rwhitby: how are donations coming? P) Sep 12 02:13:26 "dbus-1 not found" Sep 12 02:13:26 Decimation_: nothing in the last 36 hours Sep 12 02:13:34 * oil thinks about donating the $18 hes made in donations from his apps xD Sep 12 02:13:45 I've got dbus-1 but no dbus Sep 12 02:14:28 rwhitby: i'm trying to scrap up some money onto a paypal for your fund :) Sep 12 02:14:54 rwhitby: "I'm not wanting to get into the debate here (since it seems we have a very large impedance mismatch amongst the participants)." Sep 12 02:15:02 LOL. Sep 12 02:15:08 Diplomatic, as always... Sep 12 02:15:10 could someone pastebin the contents of /etc/init.d/dbus ? Sep 12 02:15:13 ahh, its just etc/dbus-1 on device Sep 12 02:15:16 its fairly easy to add more protocols to the messaging app now i've figured it out so if yahoo is missing from 1.2 ill add it in, for now ill stick with messenger Sep 12 02:15:20 doesnt seem to be in init.d Sep 12 02:15:25 greg_roll Sep 12 02:15:27 facebook? Sep 12 02:15:45 stfu freakout nobody cares about facebook Sep 12 02:15:50 lol Sep 12 02:15:54 lol Sep 12 02:16:00 * freakout suspects oil has 5 friends on his Facebook list Sep 12 02:16:09 does pidgin support facebook chat? Sep 12 02:16:11 if that Sep 12 02:16:16 I belive so. Sep 12 02:16:19 * freakout googles Sep 12 02:16:24 * acydlord deleted his facebook account long ago Sep 12 02:16:28 lol Sep 12 02:16:29 greg_roll, it does Sep 12 02:16:29 only as an addin Sep 12 02:16:30 i have 0 friends Sep 12 02:16:33 yes Sep 12 02:16:34 http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcode.google.com%2Fp%2Fpidgin-facebookchat%2F&ei=egSrSqfTH9aCkAX7z9CVBg&usg=AFQjCNE5yK5_B7EVOJBhIlKys-4b2fiROQ&sig2=R0753o_p5RzNddsquvqaAg Sep 12 02:16:34 facebook chat is jabber based Sep 12 02:16:35 no facebook account Sep 12 02:16:41 oil: dude Sep 12 02:16:48 girls LOVE facebook Sep 12 02:16:54 i know Sep 12 02:16:56 my mom is on it Sep 12 02:16:58 If oil has no girlfriend, oil needs to get on it Sep 12 02:16:59 marketing companies LOVE facebook Sep 12 02:17:03 apparently she keeps sending requests to my sister Sep 12 02:17:05 who just ignores them Sep 12 02:17:06 lol Sep 12 02:17:06 esp. since facebook sells your info to them Sep 12 02:17:15 I put my Mum on a "limited" profile Sep 12 02:17:20 lol Sep 12 02:17:23 so she cannot see some of my more... "questionable" pics... Sep 12 02:17:35 i have too many other things to do then to waste time mucking with facebook Sep 12 02:17:40 acydlord, it doesn't bother me so much Sep 12 02:17:48 the best feature of facebook is how you can use the api to get full access to someone's account Sep 12 02:17:51 At least they're not tracking my location via GPS. Sep 12 02:17:55 * freakout glares at Palm Sep 12 02:18:00 lol Sep 12 02:18:03 Another site distributing webOS vulnerabilities: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1888077&posted=1#post1888065 Sep 12 02:18:18 glare at every cell provider and the government if you dont want your location tracked on a phone Sep 12 02:18:29 acydlord, two wrongs do not make a right Sep 12 02:18:32 freakout: I will have a look at it. Might be in version 2 :) Sep 12 02:18:36 it's been a common practice for at least 10 years as part of the e911 system Sep 12 02:18:37 Just because others do it doesn't mean Palm should. Sep 12 02:18:55 hey, you agreed to the eula that said they could Sep 12 02:18:56 http://lunaware.com/ Sep 12 02:19:03 not even a developed site Sep 12 02:19:10 already giving out vunerabilities Sep 12 02:19:12 great :) Sep 12 02:19:12 Palm has no right to that information. Sep 12 02:19:16 I can understand why they want it. Sep 12 02:19:27 But not providing an opt-out is bad behaviour. Sep 12 02:19:41 don't use the phone if its really an issue for you. Sep 12 02:19:47 I think we need to create WebOS-CERT ... Sep 12 02:19:48 i can't see why it would for anyone. Sep 12 02:19:57 as i said, you signed the eula Sep 12 02:19:58 Decimation_ , that is a complete cop-out Sep 12 02:20:02 I don't own a Pre. Sep 12 02:20:06 ah. Sep 12 02:20:08 I will as soon as one is available Sep 12 02:20:09 then why complain. Sep 12 02:20:11 palm is most likely using it for research Sep 12 02:20:25 Decimation_: like me, he wants it changed before he purchases Sep 12 02:20:25 acydlord: again, fine. But Palm should provide an opt-out. Sep 12 02:20:28 and i know enough about the phone that if i dont want them tracking that info they wont Sep 12 02:20:34 rwhitby: WebOS-CERT? Sep 12 02:20:36 If people want to share their location then they're welcome to Sep 12 02:20:39 there is an opt-out, dont buy the phone Sep 12 02:20:46 I love fsck. Sep 12 02:20:49 greg_roll: yep, for tracking homebrew vulnerabilities Sep 12 02:20:55 acydlord, why are you insistent on defending such Big Brother tactics? Sep 12 02:21:07 I will accept them as a necessary evil in order to have the latest tech. Sep 12 02:21:10 But I do not like them. Sep 12 02:21:18 why are you so insistent on thinking palm is using it as a big brother tactic Sep 12 02:21:26 rwhitby: good idea! Sep 12 02:21:32 * freakout facepalms Sep 12 02:21:33 you have a cellphone, your location is readily available to anyone that wants it Sep 12 02:21:36 rwhitby, would a service that allows passes arbitrary shell code executed as an _unpriviledged user_ still be out of the question? Sep 12 02:21:50 whats your phone going to tell anyone? Sep 12 02:21:56 "oh, hes in front of his computer again..." Sep 12 02:21:59 oil: exactly. Sep 12 02:21:59 all i'm saying is that the information is already there, i dont care if palm uses it to build better products Sep 12 02:22:03 * rwhitby bbl Sep 12 02:22:07 folks Sep 12 02:22:13 "he is hitting up teh fast food place again" Sep 12 02:22:20 WAKE UP SHEEPLE Sep 12 02:22:22 lol Sep 12 02:22:29 When someone makes the argument "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to be afraid of" Sep 12 02:22:33 It is bullshit. Sep 12 02:22:38 someone said that? Sep 12 02:22:44 You just did! :P Sep 12 02:22:46 palm isn't giving the information out. Sep 12 02:22:47 did I? Sep 12 02:22:52 whats your phone going to tell anyone? Sep 12 02:22:54 i have plenty to hide Sep 12 02:22:55 i dont remember saying that Sep 12 02:23:03 but i'm smart enough that i know how to hide it Sep 12 02:23:06 * Decimation_ checks log Sep 12 02:23:09 * Decimation_ doesn't see it either. Sep 12 02:23:11 freakout, i suppose the best argument is, palm would need atleast 250k people to watch 500k pre users :) it's just not reasonable to think they sit there and sift through the data Sep 12 02:23:32 The way I picture it, there's a big computerised map at Palm that shows where their biggest sales are. Sep 12 02:23:33 * Decimation uses 3rd person and notices the _ Sep 12 02:23:37 Which helps them target marketing efforts. Sep 12 02:23:45 freakout, no offense, but fail. Sep 12 02:23:56 i can garauntee most of the people who complain about palm tracking tham still are opted in to sending their data to google Sep 12 02:23:57 targeted advertising is bad? Sep 12 02:23:58 So what are they collecting the info for? Sep 12 02:24:06 No! Sep 12 02:24:06 oil: yeah, so annoying to get disconnected while away with my shi*** internet. Sep 12 02:24:15 Look all of this is fine, *if you are willing to go along with it* Sep 12 02:24:19 But there should be an opt-out. Sep 12 02:24:24 isnt there in 1.2? Sep 12 02:24:27 That does not require hacking. Sep 12 02:24:34 i'd rather have targeted advertising than 500 emails to enlarge my breasts Sep 12 02:24:42 oil: I'll be waiting for you guys to find that out ;) Sep 12 02:24:42 acydlord: you' Sep 12 02:24:51 you're breasts do need some work though Sep 12 02:24:56 AHH Sep 12 02:25:05 oil, all the soda i drink is helping them Sep 12 02:25:08 I've gotten like 50 emails Sep 12 02:25:09 lol Sep 12 02:25:12 freakout, they are collecting the data, probably for marketing or research, but i assure you there is no big electronic "hey here is a dot for each pre user"-like map hiding in a room somewhere. Sep 12 02:25:19 it SUCKS Sep 12 02:25:24 if it was that would be awesome Sep 12 02:25:25 oil, you are breasts need work too Sep 12 02:25:31 zsoc: Sounds supervillainish, I agree. a bit ridiculous Sep 12 02:25:32 i know Sep 12 02:25:38 zsoc, have you seen ATTs cellular NOC center? Sep 12 02:25:46 hi there zsoc :) Sep 12 02:25:47 it looks like the command center for NASA Sep 12 02:25:59 id rather palm know where i was then sprint Sep 12 02:26:00 they probably do have a map with a dot for every ATT user Sep 12 02:26:00 But somewhere at Palm is a database that shows where their Pre users are concentrated Sep 12 02:26:02 or the government Sep 12 02:26:10 acydlord, i doubt many have? I've seen a central OC for a very big retail company, it's interesting Sep 12 02:26:17 Sprint, Palm, the Government. Sep 12 02:26:25 We should be protesting *all* of it. Sep 12 02:26:28 That doesn't make you a crazy Sep 12 02:26:31 lol Sep 12 02:26:37 oil, but palm knowing where you are means the government knows, warrants are free y'know Sep 12 02:26:38 * freakout wipes foam from mouth Sep 12 02:26:43 lol Sep 12 02:26:43 freakout, there is a map somewhere that shows where pre users are concentrated, purely based on where the phones were purchased or shipped Sep 12 02:26:46 Decimation, hey, shouldn't you be out playing in the yard? ;) Sep 12 02:26:47 * Templarian hands freakout a tin foil helmet. Sep 12 02:26:49 if americans protested anything Sep 12 02:26:53 also, why are we feeding this troll? Sep 12 02:26:55 how do you think they make those oh so informative commercials of constant stats freakout. Sep 12 02:26:55 as much as we should Sep 12 02:26:58 zsoc: that's why there should be an opt-out! Sep 12 02:26:59 zsoc: funny funny. Sep 12 02:26:59 cause his name is fitting Sep 12 02:27:02 bush would have never made it 8 years Sep 12 02:27:35 Decimation, i thought so, install linux yet? Sep 12 02:27:50 The behaivour itself is fine. Forcing it on people is the problem. And that's the last I'll say, lest I look even nuttier. :P Sep 12 02:27:53 hah, nope. Sep 12 02:28:04 watched that video though zsoc, was very interested. Sep 12 02:28:10 * oil hands freakout roll of tinfoil Sep 12 02:28:13 freakout, you don't seem nutty, just hyper Sep 12 02:28:21 Decimation, like i said, eye candy for the kids ;) Sep 12 02:28:30 you can't change the policy by talking about it an irc chat Sep 12 02:28:36 use your blog xD Sep 12 02:28:40 Hahaha Sep 12 02:28:43 * freakout is working on that Sep 12 02:28:47 ill comment with a "hear hear!" Sep 12 02:28:48 But you _can_ talk off topic and troll people by talking about it in an irc chat ;) Sep 12 02:28:50 zsoc: don't tell me that didn't have your attention also :P Sep 12 02:28:56 or maybe a "rabble rabble!" Sep 12 02:29:01 apparently my phone started freaking out at 3:31am this morning Sep 12 02:29:05 rabble rabble rabble Sep 12 02:29:08 they took our jerbs Sep 12 02:29:13 * Templarian digs tunnel to #webos-watercooler Sep 12 02:29:14 rabble rabble rabble Sep 12 02:29:17 they took our locations! Sep 12 02:29:22 Decimation, er.. i've been doing it for 5 years. I guess it caught my attention 5 years ago? Sep 12 02:29:35 Actually, I know I said I'll stop.... but one last observation Sep 12 02:29:38 guess so. Sep 12 02:29:42 lol Sep 12 02:29:43 Templarian, shove 'em all in! Sep 12 02:29:53 I am sincerely surprised a room full of intelligent software types seems to have no problem with it Sep 12 02:29:56 zsoc: what distro should i download. Sep 12 02:30:04 this is better then the 5 hours of silence that was going on earlier Sep 12 02:30:05 I figured that you of *all* people would be displeased. :P Sep 12 02:30:14 Decimation, crunchbang Sep 12 02:30:26 Decimation, not what, where. assuming you're poor at making decisions (generally good decision making comes with age), install it on a computer you don't mind losing data on. Sep 12 02:30:28 freakout: i may be displeased, but i also know that i can't change shit Sep 12 02:30:31 so id rather go with the flow Sep 12 02:30:38 freakout, some of us use locational data for our apps :p Sep 12 02:30:38 then be angry all the time about things i cant change Sep 12 02:30:40 oil, irc is about idle chatter, not idle chatters? ;) Sep 12 02:30:49 * freakout thinks oil would have fit in well in 1945 Germany Sep 12 02:30:49 zsoc: why would i lose data :/ Sep 12 02:30:54 * freakout has invoked GODWINS LAW! Sep 12 02:31:04 Decimation, because you won't follow tutorials or manuals or documentation and just click buttons? Sep 12 02:31:16 * acydlord has invoked OCCAMS RAZOR Sep 12 02:31:31 zsoc, lol, im 14, not stupid ;) Sep 12 02:31:32 freakout, that's pretty offensive Sep 12 02:31:42 Decimation, you said that pretty loud. Sep 12 02:31:49 * oil starts ECLIPSE and starts CODING Sep 12 02:31:54 zsoc: they know :P Sep 12 02:32:00 ew eclipse Sep 12 02:32:03 xD Sep 12 02:32:08 Decimation, may i suggest ##ubuntu? If you're really squeemish, i believe now you can even 'install' ubuntu as an app in windows Sep 12 02:32:12 ew, eclipse?R eally? ;) Sep 12 02:32:15 * freakout is an offensive person. Sep 12 02:32:18 somewhere in the source for eclipse is (ram)/0 Sep 12 02:32:20 zsoc: But sorry anyway. Sep 12 02:32:23 lol Sep 12 02:32:29 freakout, lol it's not offensive to me ;) Sep 12 02:32:41 can someone do df /var on the device? Sep 12 02:33:06 I was really happy today, I got to legit rm -rf /* in a root term. I never had the chance to do it before. Was fun. Sep 12 02:33:20 lol Sep 12 02:33:29 101164 60% 253920 / 152756 Sep 12 02:33:34 Gadfly, ^^ Sep 12 02:33:35 and maybe a du -sh /var/opt/ipkg Sep 12 02:33:44 Gadfly, 253920 here too :) Sep 12 02:34:00 acydlord: like most posix systems, the pre doesn't like /var being full :-/ Sep 12 02:34:12 253920 253912 8 100% /var Sep 12 02:34:41 resize it? :P Sep 12 02:34:42 so anyone in here have any work on a video camera? :) Sep 12 02:34:43 ouch lol Sep 12 02:34:58 Decimation, yeah, it works, just only on command line and with no preview P Sep 12 02:34:58 :P Sep 12 02:35:13 Decimation, calm down, the second we got it working palm would release an app anyway Sep 12 02:35:22 * zsoc is actually working on an ffmpeg service tho Sep 12 02:35:24 zsoc: doubt it. Sep 12 02:35:58 they'd release it a month or two later, improving every aspect of ours. Sep 12 02:36:21 so theoretically, if its made good the first time, it will be amazing the second. Sep 12 02:36:22 i'm still sticking to my guns, flip or xacti for video Sep 12 02:37:13 and i can just imagine the battery drain on the pre recording live video Sep 12 02:37:28 Careful, acydlord, Flip and Xacti can record your location by analysing your vids Sep 12 02:37:30 acydlord, can you go a little farther into your flip/xacti ideas? Sep 12 02:37:32 :P Sep 12 02:37:44 * freakout is finding it hard to breathe in this tinfoil tent Sep 12 02:37:53 i was thinking Sep 12 02:37:57 i'm surprised noone has taken the motion jpeg armels for gstreamer to rig together a sort of video recording app Sep 12 02:37:59 instead of making a software video camera Sep 12 02:38:00 Decimation, don't do that Sep 12 02:38:12 why don't we just all glue camcorders to our pres! Sep 12 02:38:40 acydlord, you shouldn't be surprised, as of right now the gst on the pre with their patch doesn't allow the registry to recognize new plugins, build on armel or not Sep 12 02:38:41 we can be like iphone users and turn our phones into voltron with all the accessories we require Sep 12 02:38:54 acydlord: lol Sep 12 02:39:13 although my favorite iphone accessory to date is the cardboard phone case Sep 12 02:39:30 "I don't mind no removable battery. The sleek design is worth it. I just put this HUGE UGLY CASE around it which can keep it charged" Sep 12 02:39:43 acydlord, it's actually a mess. if you build gstreamer without the patch, the working camera driver won't load, and if you build it with the patch, non-palm build plugins won't load. at least in my experience, it's a bit of a hack Sep 12 02:40:07 can someone do an ls -l /var/opt Sep 12 02:40:19 zsoc, well that would explain why no one has used it to build a sort of video app lol Sep 12 02:40:32 zsoc: Camera driver proprietary? Sep 12 02:40:46 freakout, no, it's v4l2 Sep 12 02:40:54 Huh. Sep 12 02:41:01 freakout, Video4Linux2.. ? Sep 12 02:41:05 yar i know Sep 12 02:41:26 I was just thinking if it was proprietary it might explain why they make things fall apart without it. Sep 12 02:41:38 But since it ain't, it makes no sense. Sep 12 02:41:43 freakout, if you're asking why it doesn't work then, honestly, i can't answer you. I haven't looked enough into the patch, all i know is it doesn't seem to work without it. ajames or cpcrook would know more i believe. Sep 12 02:42:10 Is it possible to scp *from* the pre emulator? Sep 12 02:42:28 freakout, but i suppose the quick answer is, it's a patched version. patch is on palm's website so it's readable. it seems to incorporate ANOTHER palm library, one that IS proprietary Sep 12 02:42:38 Gadfly, never tried so dunno Sep 12 02:43:03 so, /var/opt was the culprit Sep 12 02:43:15 freakout, so although the driver isn't proprietary, building the driver is ;) I don't know, maybe that makes the whole plugin locked *shrugs* Sep 12 02:43:36 Gadfly, I'd imagine the preware developers know how it works, considering their application avoids the install memory issue :) Sep 12 02:43:51 zsoc: interesting. Sep 12 02:43:56 and I think I may have deleted too much Sep 12 02:44:03 Gadfly, can't undo that, lol Sep 12 02:44:22 freakout, not as interesting as it is frustrating. Sep 12 02:44:44 acydlord, so seriously, did you have an alternative suggestion to gstreamer or ffmpeg or were you making a bit of a jest? Sep 12 02:44:45 * Decimation bbl Sep 12 02:44:53 zsoc: true, but I should be able to copy my missing data from somewhere. What's in /var/opt? Sep 12 02:45:03 gstreamer was my thought Sep 12 02:45:09 i hadnt looked into the patch yet Sep 12 02:45:55 bbl Sep 12 02:45:58 is it possible to get a terminal on the emulator? Sep 12 02:46:02 cause we rigged gst-mjpeg to make a streaming "video" app on maemo Sep 12 02:46:05 Gadfly, you can copy it from webos doctor image? hehe Sep 12 02:46:16 Gadfly: you can install the Preware terminal? Sep 12 02:46:22 acydlord, more hands the merrier, if you know anything about it, Sep 12 02:46:23 * freakout is ignoring his own bbl Sep 12 02:46:32 Gadfly, you can put opt-ware on the emu Sep 12 02:50:45 zsoc: webos doctor image is a good idea. I have the original, is there an updated one? (That I can still get the files from?) Sep 12 02:51:23 Gadfly, uh.. sure.. it's on the wiki i think.. uh 1 sec Sep 12 02:52:03 Gadfly, http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre_p100eww/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar <-- i think that's the only one i know of Sep 12 02:52:10 can i post that here? why not right? Sep 12 02:52:28 that's the one I have Sep 12 02:52:35 as long as you already own the phone, i guess having that image is ok. Sep 12 02:52:47 then i suppose that's the newest one :/ a lot of stuff hasn't changed much tho Sep 12 02:53:16 Gadfly, oh, and apparently, that same file has changed but the name has stayed the same Sep 12 02:55:54 I'm going to make a Checkers Pro Sep 12 02:56:00 you heard it here first Sep 12 02:56:09 kesne, er... online play? Sep 12 02:56:28 In Checkers Pro Sep 12 02:56:44 awesome Sep 12 02:56:49 if only you made a good chess game Sep 12 02:56:54 Haha Sep 12 02:56:56 hmm Sep 12 02:57:03 I may use rboatrights Sep 12 02:57:03 sorry :) checkers ain't my thing Sep 12 02:57:06 Skin it up Sep 12 02:57:15 If he lets me, it may appear Sep 12 02:57:17 on the device, does /opt exist ? how about /var/opt ? Sep 12 02:57:46 er.. /opt exists if you run the script that creates it? Sep 12 02:59:13 zsoc: it doesn't exist if you have "/var/opt/ /opt bind defaults,bind 0 0" in /etc/fstab and you do rm -rf /var/opt Sep 12 02:59:22 :-/ Sep 12 02:59:38 oic Sep 12 02:59:40 heh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 12 02:59:56 2009