**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 21 02:59:56 2009 Sep 21 03:39:19 ooh - OSK update Sep 21 03:52:00 nothing much, just some added debug messages in postinst, running a dry-run before patching, and fixing the name of the default theme Sep 21 03:52:14 oh and running an ipkg remove on a failed install Sep 21 03:58:05 egaudet: I think Jason is going to add better error reporting from postinsts in the next WebOS Quick Install version Sep 21 03:58:28 oil: is going to add automatic popup of the ipkg log for errors at some point soon too ... Sep 21 03:59:10 cool, I would love to know how people are getting into these error states Sep 21 04:02:11 I'm thinking about going back to the restricted postinst/prerm scripts Sep 21 04:20:19 egaudet: what does the "restricted" part mean? Sep 21 04:21:04 Meaning the v0.1.5 postinst/prerm, where I create patched md5sums Sep 21 04:21:40 I'm thinking install can be "do nothing If I can't do it all" and same for remove Sep 21 04:22:16 it's restrictive but protective for users Sep 21 04:23:04 At the bare minimum I'm adding backups to the patch process, dumb of me not to have kept that in all along Sep 21 05:06:46 OK well until there is progress in the patch management department, I changed the keyboard install/remove to create backups and restore using md5sums for verification (so restore won't happen after OTA updates) Sep 21 05:08:39 you know, i get the impression that a lot of these patches could be done withmonkeypatching instead of requiring code modification Sep 21 05:08:44 which might increase their resilience Sep 21 05:09:28 ugh, guy driving me nuts on the forums. I've been so gung ho about app development and doing all I can and his attitude has just totally deflated me >> Sep 21 05:10:20 ? Sep 21 05:11:18 http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/203803-why-paying-apps-big-deal.html Sep 21 05:11:21 that thread oil Sep 21 05:12:01 everything I said this guy twists, and then makes wild accusations randomly in like his past two posts back to me, just total bummer lol Sep 21 05:12:55 not familiar with monkey patching Sep 21 05:13:17 monkey patching is where you modify behavior at runtime Sep 21 05:13:41 like greasemonkey for firefox? Sep 21 05:13:48 not really Sep 21 05:13:49 hmm, so what is the strategy for doing something like that with js Sep 21 05:13:49 more like Sep 21 05:14:01 var supr = this.handleSomeThing; Sep 21 05:14:15 this.handleSomeThing = function () { ... do other thing ..., return supr; Sep 21 05:14:22 } Sep 21 05:14:32 err Sep 21 05:14:35 return supr(); Sep 21 05:14:46 technically you'd probably do return supr.apply(this, arguments); Sep 21 05:15:11 i don't think it'd replace all patching cases, but i think it could do a lot of them Sep 21 05:18:51 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/blobs/master/messaging/messagelandscape.patch Sep 21 05:18:58 Not sure how that would work out in the mojo framework. Also didn't fully follow the example you gave. Is it overwriting a function Sep 21 05:19:00 that looks like a prime example of where you could monkey patch the behavior in Sep 21 05:19:06 it is Sep 21 05:19:21 supr will still reference the old function though Sep 21 05:19:28 so you can add some other behavior, and then call supr Sep 21 05:20:03 but how would the new javascript (overwritten supr) get into the mojo framework Sep 21 05:20:32 added to the end of files maybe, or if you can easily add a new file to a mojo app Sep 21 05:20:35 as a new file Sep 21 05:21:13 ahh I thought you were suggesting that the APP not need to be modified Sep 21 05:21:23 well, it changes the type of modification Sep 21 05:21:32 but yeah it'd probably still need to be modified Sep 21 05:21:45 it imght be possible ot do it without changing the app, but I'd need to poke at a phone to figure that out. :) Sep 21 05:21:56 yea, rather than modifying the routines, extend them with additional functionality Sep 21 05:22:03 yup Sep 21 05:22:38 sounds interesting Sep 21 05:23:00 feel like that may lead to very inelegant solutions though instead of correctly simply patching Sep 21 05:24:11 but, i'm way too tired to be thinking about this in any critical manner Sep 21 05:24:35 yea same here lol Sep 21 05:24:41 well, i don't think it's a total replacement Sep 21 05:25:13 things to think about for sure, but for now i need sleep :) Sep 21 05:25:17 we do it often at work when we want to add new functionality to a library without actually officially supporting it by putting it into the system version. :) Sep 21 05:25:33 today was 'st practice day' at a friend of mine's bar he works at, this heavy irish bar, the party was for 'exactly six months till st patricks day' Sep 21 05:25:40 so i'm still recovering Sep 21 05:27:18 Could someone please tell me if their Pre has any files in /var/ssl/certs and if so what? thanks! Sep 21 05:29:46 empty for me greg_roll Sep 21 05:30:32 punzada: thank you Sep 21 05:33:04 no problemo Sep 21 05:36:32 punzada: how about /etc/ssl/certs? :) Sep 21 05:37:26 @castle:/etc/ssl/certs$ ls -a Sep 21 05:37:26 . PalmCACert.pem ca-certificates.crt Sep 21 05:37:26 .. appsigning-bundle.crt system-bundle.crt.gz Sep 21 05:37:54 excellent thank you again :) Sep 21 05:38:45 glad to help Sep 21 06:54:18 http://i37.tinypic.com/xn96xi.png Sep 21 06:54:20 :) Sep 21 07:01:39 sexy Sep 21 07:04:47 too bad less then half work xD Sep 21 07:05:31 can you make an app that boosts our battery mah Sep 21 07:06:45 overclock it? xD Sep 21 07:07:26 yeah Sep 21 07:07:35 I increased the FSB of the pre Sep 21 07:07:41 lol Sep 21 07:30:32 oil: Wow, that's über Sep 21 07:30:49 lol Sep 21 07:31:03 lul good one Sep 21 07:33:04 i went to a lot of trouble to open my character map. Why don't keyboards support umlauts? Sep 21 07:33:24 alpha for freakout? :) Sep 21 07:33:29 oh wait Sep 21 07:33:30 scratch that Sep 21 07:33:34 Friggin' emulator. Sep 21 07:34:15 they do Sep 21 07:34:19 alt+0220 Sep 21 07:34:26 xD Sep 21 07:35:11 * freakout just went on a crazy journey through his open xchat channels Sep 21 07:35:21 you lie! Sep 21 07:35:45 Ü Sep 21 07:35:57 hold alt Sep 21 07:36:01 type 0220 on the numpad Sep 21 07:36:04 let go of alt Sep 21 07:36:14 (this works in windows) Sep 21 07:36:16 idk what you're using Sep 21 07:36:39 Vista right now. Your magic combo is giving me no love Sep 21 07:36:57 I blame you Sep 21 07:37:41 oh idk about vista Sep 21 07:37:45 i mean, it works in windows xp Sep 21 07:37:46 xD Sep 21 07:38:38 UberMonitor going to have a dashboard oil? Sep 21 07:38:46 a dashboard? Sep 21 07:38:55 notification pop-up? Sep 21 07:39:02 for monitoring other apps Sep 21 07:39:22 oh a dashboard Sep 21 07:39:24 xD Sep 21 07:39:27 I have a morbid fascination. Love watching my CPU meter go nuts on my desktop Sep 21 07:39:32 what do you mean "monitoring" other apps? Sep 21 07:39:43 we do plan to have background logging Sep 21 07:39:50 just curiosity to see how much horsepower they're using Sep 21 07:40:03 idk if it could be done like that Sep 21 07:40:44 well there you go, I'm setting you a challenge Sep 21 07:40:52 the prize is a toenail clipping Sep 21 07:41:08 lol Sep 21 07:42:24 hmm a .js rellm Sep 21 08:13:39 oil: I still can't get the feed add confirm screen to come up in the consent daemon, even with the unterminated comment removed - did you actually get it to work? Sep 21 08:14:13 with the test code in place Sep 21 08:14:34 (well, i didn't test it after your changes) Sep 21 08:14:49 right - I think I broke it but cant see where. Sep 21 08:14:58 uncomment that var params = line Sep 21 08:15:02 in app-assistant.js Sep 21 08:15:13 and see if the icon will open the dialog Sep 21 08:15:46 (you will also need to set visible to true) Sep 21 08:15:52 thats how i was testing it Sep 21 08:16:29 * oil goes to sleep Sep 21 10:37:24 weird Sep 21 10:37:51 I can't ssh into my phone. I had disabled developer mode, but I was under the impression ssh would stay running... and it had been. grrz Sep 21 10:50:01 oic. typo in my pre-start iptables rules resulted in exit(!0), causing init to shutdown the process Sep 21 13:04:36 anyone have a link to the quickinstall wiki page? Sep 21 13:06:19 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Installing_An_Ipk#WebOS_Quick_Install_Setup ?? Sep 21 14:12:30 so palm is writing an opengl library for the pre? Sep 21 14:13:08 G00d morning everyone Sep 21 14:13:18 its monday Sep 21 14:15:49 i know right Sep 21 14:16:15 wish i would have brought my source code to work with me today im bored Sep 21 14:19:30 can't get to your home computer remotely? ;) Sep 21 14:21:33 left it off today Sep 21 14:21:43 ouch. Sep 21 14:21:52 yea Sep 21 14:22:03 and WOL is not waking it up Sep 21 14:22:04 FML Sep 21 14:22:25 that's why you keep all your code and software on a usb drive like me :) Sep 21 14:22:44 true Sep 21 14:23:44 only downside to that is, if you realize you forgot your drive when you're half way to or from work, you really have a reason to say FML. Sep 21 14:24:10 lol Sep 21 14:24:25 ill put use to my server maybe that will fix that issue Sep 21 14:25:03 there ya go Sep 21 15:26:31 interesting.. http://www.west-wind.com/presentations/dotnetwebservices/DotNetWebServices.asp Sep 21 15:29:42 wh0dat: what about it Sep 21 15:29:43 ? Sep 21 15:30:33 lol wrong link Sep 21 15:30:36 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/202403-i-guess-i-am-only-one-hotmail-msn-messenger-support-3.html#post1904277 Sep 21 15:32:22 yupyup Sep 21 15:32:43 i remember some other people here also messing around with the plugins for messages Sep 21 15:36:50 cool Sep 21 15:40:42 lala i want to work on making the on screen keyboard show in the bottome area of the phone Sep 21 15:41:17 so that it pushes the scene up and you still can see what you doing Sep 21 15:41:51 thats a cool idea Sep 21 15:43:41 hey PuffTheMagic u up Sep 21 15:43:41 ? Sep 21 15:43:49 wh0dat: right Sep 21 15:44:20 i was using an ipod touch and notice how you still see the text area aboce3 Sep 21 15:44:21 above Sep 21 15:44:30 where as with the pre it lies on top of the scene Sep 21 15:44:31 atlanta, what about landscape mode? Sep 21 15:44:40 so you have to move your hands Sep 21 15:45:09 what do you mean move your hands? Sep 21 15:45:14 egaudet: it has its limits when a text box is at the bottom it kinda sucks Sep 21 15:45:28 egaudet: like if im using it in the messaging app Sep 21 15:45:55 atlanta: yeah Sep 21 15:46:16 thumbs get in the way for a second have to move them to make sure i typed what i wanted Sep 21 15:46:33 ohh ok yea Sep 21 15:46:35 PuffTheMagic: hey when you not busy want to work on a text message backup app? Sep 21 15:47:03 egaudet: but if we could get it in the notification area that would just push the scene part up and you can still see you get me? Sep 21 15:48:03 i know oil and rwhitby have that preware script alert in that area so it shouldnt be too hard maybe just some fiddling to do Sep 21 15:48:09 atlanta: well im not too interested in text message backup, and i have a lot of stuff on my plate Sep 21 15:48:23 PuffTheMagic: ok thats cool i figured that lol Sep 21 15:48:28 PuffTheMagic: what you currently working on Sep 21 15:48:28 ? Sep 21 15:49:04 atlanta, that's not a bad idea, but what about landscape. Do notifications come up in landscape? (I don't know) Sep 21 15:49:35 egaudet: give me a second let me test it out Sep 21 15:50:29 atlanta: im working on that ubermonsrv, a service to get mem usage, process info, battery info, disk info, etc. Sep 21 15:50:33 oil is making the gui for it Sep 21 15:50:48 cool cool Sep 21 15:50:52 atlanta: and im working on a new package manager service in C Sep 21 15:50:58 and i need to get the IRC service going Sep 21 15:51:07 oh damn you do have alot Sep 21 15:51:10 thats because you the man Sep 21 15:51:10 lol Sep 21 15:51:14 and egaudet wants an file IO service Sep 21 15:52:24 egaudet: i did a quick test with the web and since it put it in full screen mode no go Sep 21 15:53:00 PuffTheMagic: can i watch you write a service through teamviewer one day? ( that sounded so noob lol) Sep 21 15:53:30 a C or java service? Sep 21 15:53:34 i mean they are both pretty easy Sep 21 15:53:44 once you have the toolchain and a dev useland to link too Sep 21 15:53:52 (for C services that is) Sep 21 15:54:24 atlanta: all the C services are in git.preyourmind.org Sep 21 15:54:29 so you can see the code Sep 21 15:54:46 looking more toward java Sep 21 15:54:53 C scares me at the moment Sep 21 15:55:20 embrace C Sep 21 15:55:30 it's a good language to know Sep 21 15:55:37 c will set your grandmother on fire Sep 21 15:55:46 lmfao Sep 21 15:55:47 thats what happened to my grandomther Sep 21 15:55:49 YOU LIE! Sep 21 15:56:02 sorry, i couldn't help myself Sep 21 15:56:07 yea i know its a good one to know Sep 21 15:56:15 just have to really find the time to dedicate to learn it Sep 21 15:56:27 not like PHP or c# where it was easy to learn Sep 21 15:56:29 s/will/can/ Sep 21 15:56:30 gkatsev meant: c can set your grandmother on fire Sep 21 15:58:08 C is THE language to learn Sep 21 15:58:35 bpadalino|work: so that jps all just shows cpu usage Sep 21 15:58:42 bpadalino|work: is there a simiar app for memory? Sep 21 15:58:52 i thought jps showed memory usage too? Sep 21 15:59:04 what are the columns listed at the top when you run it Sep 21 15:59:20 Num Alloc... Bytes... Owned... Bytes... UserTime KernTime Thread name Sep 21 15:59:30 everything has 0's Sep 21 15:59:40 except UserTime and KernelTime Sep 21 15:59:55 scheme is better. :) Sep 21 16:00:24 egaudet: maybe you can do a check see if its in landscape if it is just write it to the screen Sep 21 16:03:12 I don't know off hand where the re-size scene code is for notifications, but it's an idea to think about for the future Sep 21 16:03:19 atlanta, put it in the issue tracker :D Sep 21 16:03:30 http://preyourmind.org/project/issues/oskb Sep 21 16:03:37 gkatsev: im afraidof scheme/lisp Sep 21 16:03:45 but i need to learn CL so that i can use ACT-R Sep 21 16:03:52 It's kind of sad, I've spent 6 years learning C++ and I still can't do anything worthwhile in it. Sep 21 16:04:11 PuffTheMagic: you should be afraid of lisp, but scheme is really easy actually. once you get passed the parens. Sep 21 16:04:52 I know the syntax, I understand all the built in language functions, pointers, making clean class structure - but if I try to integrate other libraries I feel like I'm drowning above my level all the time. Sep 21 16:05:29 punzada: in C or lisp or scheme? Sep 21 16:05:30 punzada: sounds like your a high language person. Sep 21 16:05:40 C++ Puff Sep 21 16:05:40 oh pointer Sep 21 16:05:45 ohh Sep 21 16:06:37 i think watching CS professors teach Java is funny... they dance around and try to avoid using the word "pointer" Sep 21 16:06:54 mmm pointers Sep 21 16:07:32 * Templarian mmm high level scripts Sep 21 16:07:48 PuffTheMagic, oh - i guess palm didn't finish that utility Sep 21 16:07:52 whoops Sep 21 16:07:53 my bad Sep 21 16:08:02 im doing java at work right now and there are times i with i could pass functions as arugments like in js or scheme, it is sooooo useful Sep 21 16:08:35 you can pass methods in java Sep 21 16:10:15 bpadalino|work: yes, but it does not work as well nor is it as clean as in scheme or js Sep 21 16:10:46 true Sep 21 16:10:48 while attempting ot learn javascript since I got my pre, I say none of it is clean :P Sep 21 16:11:16 punzada: then you need to learn more of it. For a script ECMA is one of the best. :) Sep 21 16:11:17 js is pretty loose .. but doesn't mean it can't be clean Sep 21 16:11:22 punzada: then you arent using it correctly Sep 21 16:11:24 although sometimes the code in it does read in somet type of iambic pentameter Sep 21 16:11:28 which makes it interesting Sep 21 16:11:42 some* Sep 21 16:11:48 Also know that 1.7 isn't used in a lot of online examples, but you have it to use. Sep 21 16:14:09 even though less efficient, .net / mono services would be cool Sep 21 16:14:19 * punzada hisses Sep 21 16:14:24 not necessarily less efficient than java (but less than c) Sep 21 16:14:50 Was about to say. To wrap those in java wouldn't look to bad just time consuming. Sep 21 16:14:57 javascript* Sep 21 16:14:59 i kind of like c# a bit more than java, though, java is more well documented Sep 21 16:15:16 gkatsev: C# is more documented actually. Sep 21 16:15:21 really? Sep 21 16:15:33 Yea, the MSDN docs are very complete Sep 21 16:15:42 hmm... Sep 21 16:15:45 High light any word and press F1... examples and all. Sep 21 16:16:16 But that's a seperate thing. i would rather have mono on Android than webOS. Sep 21 16:16:19 ok, but sometimes the apis do unexpected things or do what the doc says half the time the other half do something else Sep 21 16:16:45 though, maybe in newer versions it is more consitent now Sep 21 16:17:13 Being a Linux and FOSS geek I try to avoid microsoft 'open solutions' - I'm not one of those super anti-mono zealots I still just don't trust microsoft and feel like playcating to their standards is a bad path to go down. Sep 21 16:18:39 mono itself is open source and not microsoft Sep 21 16:18:45 punzada: even if you don't like .net C# as a syntax for development is one of the best ever written (readablity/organization/ease of use) Sep 21 16:19:43 * Mousey sticks finger down throat Sep 21 16:19:44 So I've heard and I respect developers that do it and that's why i'm not one of those 'rabble rabble remove .net entirely from linux distributions' people, but if I were to develop personally it would take convincing for me to actually go that route. Sep 21 16:21:10 I don't understand why you'd remove it, mono is just as open as perl Sep 21 16:22:27 mostly has to do with licensing Sep 21 16:22:42 destinal_work: they dont want mono because it is based on MS stuff which is not free free Sep 21 16:22:46 those agreements with novell brought up a shitstorm Sep 21 16:23:07 it's not though. it's an implementation of something that in another form isn't open. this implementation SI Sep 21 16:23:11 s/SI/IS/ Sep 21 16:23:11 destinal_work meant: it's not though. it's an implementation of something that in another form isn't open. this implementation IS Sep 21 16:23:12 which is think is stupid. which is why i understand people dont like GPL now Sep 21 16:24:15 reimplementing proprietary frameworks as FOSS frameworks and then using _them_ isn't using the proprietary one Sep 21 16:24:37 this is true Sep 21 16:24:51 destinal_work: i agree with you, its stupid that people want to take mono out of linuxes Sep 21 16:25:07 I haven't followed the debate in a bit but wasn't there some core libs (not winforms) that were part of the framework ? Sep 21 16:25:58 I don't even think there is much of a debate. All my linux only friends love mono. This is the first time i've heard anyone have a negative view. Sep 21 16:26:08 mono++ Sep 21 16:26:17 gnome-do is awesome Sep 21 16:26:38 anyway, lunch time for me Sep 21 16:26:39 bbl Sep 21 16:27:03 * Templarian can't wait till C# 4.0 standard is finished. So many cool features. Sep 21 16:29:09 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/24/mono-danger-to-linux/ Sep 21 16:29:10 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/02/mono-an-infectious-disease/ Sep 21 16:29:19 for you Templarian just to see the other side of the 'debate' Sep 21 16:29:30 they always pop up from time to time on my RSS feeds so I find it interesting Sep 21 16:31:02 Templarian: i dont like mono Sep 21 16:31:15 im not a fan of anything that is interpreted Sep 21 16:31:45 egaudet: http://preyourmind.org/content/keyboard-notification-area Sep 21 16:32:38 Moonlight is a really nice thing that came out of this, but yea I can see mono enveloping linux one of these days. Sep 21 16:32:46 It will be a great day. Sep 21 16:33:23 Imagine all applications running off the same framework, hehe (I think I made a few of you cringe). Sep 21 16:33:55 should i learn C or C++ first Sep 21 16:33:55 ? Sep 21 16:33:58 i threw up Sep 21 16:34:19 atlanta: learn C and Java Sep 21 16:34:23 you will get C++ for free Sep 21 16:34:29 ok cool Sep 21 16:34:48 yea im looking through some of these service and don't understand a lick of it so C here i come Sep 21 16:34:51 atlanta: Java to learn OOP real well, C to learn good programming Sep 21 16:35:06 gotca Sep 21 16:35:08 gotcha Sep 21 16:35:16 but im sure others have a different view Sep 21 16:35:18 i understand Java a little Sep 21 16:35:21 Templarian: probably just cringed Sep 21 16:35:26 lol Sep 21 16:35:51 i see Java being pretty easy looked similar to C# to me Sep 21 16:35:53 brb lunch time Sep 21 16:36:16 A lot of the languages are pretty similar after a while you can jump back and forth. Sep 21 16:37:21 * Templarian is looking at javascript 1.8 and I think some of these new syntax changes would make rick_home kind of annoyed. Sep 21 16:38:56 Some of the new array stuff is awesome though. :) Sep 21 16:50:51 Douglas Crockford last Friday was saying that ECMA script 5 was due for approval soon Sep 21 16:52:20 Wouldn't that effect only future versions like 1.9.x? Sep 21 16:52:26 He looked pretty happy about it... says it fixes some old problems Sep 21 16:52:33 Yep exactly Sep 21 16:55:03 I'll probably give it a read. It's like when C++ people read the change log for the standard. Sep 21 16:55:08 PuffTheMagic: IIRC .net is a managed code framework like java, not interpreted Sep 21 16:55:31 JIT ~= interpreted Sep 21 16:55:55 PuffTheMagic: but I thought you liked java Sep 21 16:56:21 destinal_work: i like it cause i can write gui apps and some 2d stuff really fast Sep 21 16:56:29 and for non embedded stuff its pretty good Sep 21 16:56:38 and for cross platform stuff Sep 21 16:56:42 but in general Sep 21 16:56:45 i would write in C if i could Sep 21 16:56:48 or had the time Sep 21 16:56:57 yeah, I agree that we have in webos a huge amount of non-native binary stuff for an embedded device Sep 21 16:57:06 .net is compiled before execution. Sep 21 16:57:21 Templarian: on the fly? Sep 21 16:57:32 like java's just in time (JIT) compiler? Sep 21 16:58:05 PuffTheMagic: bytecode to native code? that's not the same overhead as typical interpreters Sep 21 16:58:16 The bytecode is compiled at run I'm pretty sure. Sep 21 16:58:35 Templarian: java does that if you use -server option Sep 21 16:58:39 if not it uses JIT Sep 21 16:58:51 faster load time at start with JIT Sep 21 16:59:03 but higher latency once started Sep 21 16:59:12 Java has all 3 options I'm pretty sure. Sep 21 16:59:34 "On .NET the byte-code is always compiled before execution, either Just In Time (JIT) or in advance of execution using the ngen.exe utility. With Java the byte-code is either interpreted, compiled in advance, or compiled JIT." Sep 21 17:00:09 either way, the way i see it... both interpreted and bytecode stuff still need another app running to run Sep 21 17:00:16 which is my big gripe Sep 21 17:00:26 PuffTheMagic: I don' Sep 21 17:00:45 destinal_work: ? Sep 21 17:00:49 PuffTheMagic: I don't care about the need for another app as much as the CPU / RAM overhead of managed code and interpreted code vs native Sep 21 17:00:54 I think we can all agree we wish it only used C, but that didn't happen. Sep 21 17:01:11 destinal_work: thats where the overhead comes from isnt it :D Sep 21 17:01:15 and the biggest hit is obviously javascript and java Sep 21 17:01:33 Templarian: it as in the Pre... i didnt think we were just tlaking about that Sep 21 17:01:48 Javascript isn't too bad, it would have been better if it was compiled to bytecode but they do it when the app is launched. Sep 21 17:01:51 javascript seems to be fine Sep 21 17:02:13 and good enough for most apps Sep 21 17:02:20 and the games can be done in plugin :D Sep 21 17:02:22 so win win Sep 21 17:02:36 The only downside is really all the overhead from everything else. Sep 21 17:02:56 PuffTheMagic: we still need to work on piranha at some point, for that matter. Sep 21 17:03:11 If the actual UI had been written in pure c with the apps being just webkit instance it would have been so smooth. Sep 21 17:03:13 destinal_work: yeah Sep 21 17:03:33 Templarian: but less people can write C guis Sep 21 17:04:07 PuffTheMagic: palm would have written the main GUI, the other gui elements would have been still webkit. Sep 21 17:04:17 Only the cards would have been webkit instances. Sep 21 17:04:34 Templarian: i gues si dont know what "pure webkit" is Sep 21 17:04:46 Templarian: there's still the opportunity for us to port another UI / shell and make use of all the supporting framework luna does Sep 21 17:05:11 puffthemagic: isnt palm working on an opengl plugin for the pre? Sep 21 17:05:17 nfc Sep 21 17:05:24 wh0dat: rumor. Sep 21 17:05:37 mleh Sep 21 17:06:03 I think it's another widgit with a javascript wrapper for openGL... meh it will be a while. Sep 21 17:19:04 hmm, so i updated my preware app, and it says "The package service you're running isnt compatible with this version of preware. Please update it with WebOS quick install." Sep 21 17:19:39 the package service is a lower version that what is required. Sep 21 17:20:15 if i updated everything via terminal, i just need to run the postinst right? Sep 21 17:21:29 Did you do the package service(and not just Preware)? Sep 21 17:21:44 i did ipkg -o /var update Sep 21 17:21:51 Oh try restarting if you installed in the wrong order it gets confused. Sep 21 17:21:51 and ipkg -o /var upgrade Sep 21 17:22:24 and then i did sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst Sep 21 17:22:24 (other than that not sure I only use the quick install tool) Sep 21 17:22:32 ahhh, that worked.. Sep 21 17:23:37 im back Sep 21 17:24:56 whats the name of the app that lets you do themes, is it available through preware? Sep 21 17:25:45 Preware can handle themes now. Sep 21 17:25:56 It's under the "Themes" category. Sep 21 17:26:14 so i dont need an additional program to run the themes, preware can install them? Sep 21 17:27:12 Correct. Sep 21 17:27:25 oh man.. i just got excited like a fat kid at a buffet Sep 21 17:27:47 There aren't that many good themes yet, but they are getting better. Sep 21 17:28:13 the one very good one i like is the 'touch pre' Sep 21 17:28:30 very polished. i think it was just added Sep 21 17:28:39 i saw that one.. it looks pretty good Sep 21 17:29:09 i think i might have to go with the teenage mutant ninja turtles one though Sep 21 17:32:01 hz Sep 21 17:32:03 err Sep 21 17:32:04 ha Sep 21 17:32:09 i didnt even see that one Sep 21 17:32:10 lol Sep 21 17:32:41 Fading to blue is pretty nice. Sep 21 17:33:43 yeah that one looks pretty nice Sep 21 17:33:58 the matrix one looks cool too.. needs to get rid of that palm pre text that is in there Sep 21 17:34:03 but other than that, i like it Sep 21 17:35:01 HAH, i went from the matrix one, to fading to blue, and there are some parts that are still bright green lol Sep 21 17:35:46 you have to uninstall the one you have before installing another one. Sep 21 17:37:18 found that out.. lol Sep 21 17:38:16 where the heck is the sound volume control on the pre? Sep 21 17:38:21 (not the ringer volume) Sep 21 17:40:19 system sounds? Sep 21 17:46:06 yeah Sep 21 17:46:50 i used the golfpinfinder app yesterday while golfing Sep 21 17:46:52 it was pretty nice :D Sep 21 17:47:05 haha Sep 21 17:47:30 i was wondering how that worked Sep 21 17:47:50 has anyone figured out a way to bypass the app limit Sep 21 18:00:40 Not yet - but isn't there a new app catalog due out this week ? I mean, if you are trying to bypass Sep 21 18:00:56 the app limit you might be better off waiting for the impending upgrade first. Sep 21 18:01:12 YEah, might wait for the new upgrade before installing anything else. Sep 21 18:11:49 tlz: yea use preware Sep 21 18:11:50 lol Sep 21 18:14:19 what is the limit, by the way? I have tons of apps installed Sep 21 18:16:27 FreeTim: isnt it like 60 apps? Sep 21 18:22:10 I've got 52 third-party apps (ones that didn't come with the Pre) Sep 21 18:26:47 It's 60. Sep 21 18:27:40 Clearly then, I don't have enough junk on here yet. :) Sep 21 18:29:26 * ashi__colo finally saw someone else with a Pre today :) It was on the train. Sep 21 18:29:53 He'd just gotten his and wondered if there was a way to delete a lot of contacts at once. It was early, and I couldn't think of any... Sep 21 18:34:59 ashi: i would do it on the gmail side Sep 21 18:35:51 does webos quickinstall make some file on the phone to keep track of which patches it has applied? Sep 21 18:36:08 I'm wondering if I can uninstall patches/tweaks from a different computer Sep 21 18:37:20 I'm getting an wget error trying to update my package feed from "http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/all/Packages.gz" Has the url changed, is my connection to that server fubar, or is there something going on with the server? :) Sep 21 18:38:37 misterikkit, I believe QuickInstall asks the phone what it has installed already; it doesn't keep a local list. I haven't used it in a while, just going off what I understand about the phone Sep 21 18:39:47 thanks Sep 21 18:44:01 some of these homebrews are killing me with the dull interfaces Sep 21 18:44:29 atlanta: rewrite their interfaces? :D Sep 21 18:44:33 misterikkit: yea it uses commands to see whats installed Sep 21 18:44:45 gkatsev: i know right shit . Sep 21 18:44:52 or charge them for a nice one Sep 21 18:45:41 a few look somewhat useful but darn Sep 21 18:46:14 atlanta: gkatsev was saying YOU should re-write the interfaces :) Sep 21 18:46:28 flare576: yea i know what he said lol Sep 21 18:46:42 i might just do it Sep 21 18:46:45 when i have a free day Sep 21 18:46:49 because they are killing me Sep 21 18:46:53 :) I don't suppose you're having any issues updating the ipkg list from preware? Sep 21 18:47:21 nope Sep 21 18:47:26 im hungry though Sep 21 18:47:29 if that has anything to do with it Sep 21 18:47:42 I'm hungry for PreWare Update... does that count? Sep 21 18:48:21 Still running 0.8.5 because I haven't actually been getting updates from anything but PreCentral. Sep 21 18:52:33 thanks wh0dat. maybe if i see him on the train again... Sep 21 18:54:00 anyone else here use the /user/bin/ipkg command to install/pull updates? I would appreciate someone linking me the output of their "/usr/bin/ipkg -o /var update" call Sep 21 19:05:30 flare576: you make sure you got your sources right Sep 21 19:05:38 atlanta: that's what I'm trying to do Sep 21 19:06:09 atlanta: It was working until last week, so either something on their end changed, or I was using an old address that no longer works Sep 21 19:06:19 /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Sep 21 19:06:45 /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.preware Sep 21 19:06:52 what you get when you do update Sep 21 19:06:52 ? Sep 21 19:08:22 "Downloadking http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/all/Packages.gz" "wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found" "An error occured: return value: 2." Sep 21 19:08:40 typos are due to me runing the Terminal from the phone itself. Sep 21 19:09:22 use quick install Sep 21 19:09:34 faster then me trying to troubleshooting it for u Sep 21 19:11:22 Sorta the point is that I don't want to have to be at a PC with my cords plugged in to be able to update and install stuff :) Sep 21 19:11:32 but I thank you for your help Sep 21 19:33:53 woot for carrier changes! Sep 21 19:34:07 rwhitby: are you there and can I bother you? Sep 21 19:41:17 Rod, you round? Sep 21 19:42:02 rwhitby is probably still asleep Sep 21 19:42:25 Lazy bastard Sep 21 19:42:30 LOL.. j/k Sep 21 19:42:55 Cool, I just wanted to personally apologize for the post in the QuickInstall thread. It wasn't aimed towards him at all. Sep 21 19:43:14 true Sep 21 19:43:14 oh snap Sep 21 19:43:15 e-beef Sep 21 19:43:22 by 06:11 anyone ought to be up Sep 21 19:43:25 And then to tell him I wanted to steal his avatar. Sep 21 19:43:40 its 14:43, you're carze. Sep 21 19:43:41 adelaide is gmt+9.5 Sep 21 19:43:43 crazy*. Sep 21 19:44:26 it's that whole annoying round earth thing. Who's idea WAS that anyway? Sep 21 19:44:28 AnOutsider: Nah, not e-beef. Sep 21 19:45:00 typically Rod checks in before he leaves for work.... Sep 21 19:45:18 I know right.. It would have made much more sense to have everyone just on the same time. And then we havec everyone sleep at the same time. Sep 21 19:45:35 so moving to certain places means you only exist at night Sep 21 19:46:29 it's_very_ confusing to work with teams in London, Delhi, Bejing, and Adelaide as well as 4 US time zones.... Sep 21 19:46:30 AnOutsider: correct. Sep 21 19:46:36 that's when I wear my sunglasses! Sep 21 19:46:50 Webos-internals is sort of a 24/7 operation at this point. Sep 21 19:47:11 I am going to start a new thread on PC.net and was wondering if you all would correct me before I do.. Sep 21 19:47:37 Basically "Installation Limit Clarification" Sep 21 19:48:03 Where App Catalog, FileCoaster, etc have a strict limit of 50 Apps, regardless of free space in /var. Sep 21 19:48:36 Then Preware , QuickInstall, etc (those using App Install Service) can install as many apps as can fit in teh 248MB /var partition. Sep 21 19:48:48 Given that 60MB of the /var is taken by system apps. Sep 21 19:49:00 correct. Sep 21 19:49:10 but it's not 50 Sep 21 19:49:28 or I have never found anyone who could definitively PROVE it was 50. Sep 21 19:49:31 Then why do I keep getting bashed by folks saying "its not app limit, its size limit.. blah blahb blah" Sep 21 19:49:43 I have seen it is very close to 50 Sep 21 19:49:48 ok Sep 21 19:49:54 I am too lazy to install them Sep 21 19:49:59 there is ALSO a size limit. Sep 21 19:50:08 but it takes SYSTEM apps into count Sep 21 19:50:14 yes, there is both Sep 21 19:50:22 but, realistically, it would take a lot to hit size Sep 21 19:50:31 these are enforced by something broken in the BINARY functions of webOS that Luna calls from the app catalog Sep 21 19:50:47 248MB, -60MB for system= 188MB.. At 2MB avg size of app, that would be 90 apps.. Sep 21 19:51:06 Preware and quickinstall do not USE the luna binary Sep 21 19:51:16 Which we don't have access to the binary header files for the .so's Sep 21 19:51:21 Preware uses a service webos-internals WROTE to call ipkg directly Sep 21 19:51:38 quickinstall uses novacom commands to COPY the files over. Sep 21 19:51:41 Right, I know. I have been here idling watching the atlk about the service etc Sep 21 19:52:02 anythingthat uses Palms app install service will be screwed, like filecoaster and its ilk Sep 21 19:52:10 I hope palm eventually releases the core header files Sep 21 19:52:30 they have. Sep 21 19:52:44 I have also heard from some very reliable sources that this limitation will not be corrected in 1.2 Sep 21 19:52:56 LunaService.h is available now? Sep 21 19:52:57 well, I'm not suprised. Sep 21 19:53:47 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=libraries/luna-headers.git;a=summary Sep 21 19:54:33 you all wrote those header files though, correct? Sep 21 19:54:39 no Sep 21 19:55:01 palm released lgpl Sep 21 19:55:23 Anyone here besides Rod involved in this update? http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Application:Terminal&diff=5774&oldid=5751 Sep 21 19:55:23 Sweet.. Do these happen to list all the options and flags available for command line luna interaction? Sep 21 19:55:53 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=libraries/luna-headers.git;a=commit;h=3247451ec1920bc28413e1b2592dcfb6c6c2b9a8 Sep 21 19:56:32 I knew I missed something! Sep 21 19:56:35 Thanks Rick! Sep 21 19:56:43 I draw your particular attention to Luna Headers Reference Manual.pdf Sep 21 19:56:44 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=libraries/luna-headers.git;a=blob_plain;f=lunaservice.pdf;hb=3247451ec1920bc28413e1b2592dcfb6c6c2b9a8 Sep 21 19:56:50 I found it Sep 21 19:56:51 ;) Sep 21 19:57:27 I ask because I would like to know for sure if preware.conf is used anywhere (like, Application:PreWare), or if webos-internals.conf is now the standard Sep 21 19:58:11 flare576 PuffTheMagic would know. he wrote the service. Sep 21 19:58:38 what did I do? Sep 21 19:59:06 [14:55] I ask because I would like to know for sure if preware.conf is used anywhere (like, Application:PreWare), or if webos-internals.conf is now the standard Sep 21 19:59:16 PuffTheMagic thought you would know the answer to that Sep 21 19:59:39 well i had NOTHING to do with that Sep 21 19:59:41 hee hee, the dragon awakes from his slumber to a question from the blue. Sep 21 19:59:43 but yeah i can answer it Sep 21 19:59:54 preware.conf is depricated Sep 21 20:00:06 that is exactly what I wanted to hear :) Thank you PuffTheMagic Sep 21 20:00:54 np Sep 21 20:02:23 Is there any dev going on for that App? (Applciation:Terminal)? I'd love to see some feature adds :D :D Sep 21 20:02:56 I don't think there is. The source is posted of course, if you would like to pick up the flame. Sep 21 20:03:09 Partof the reason is that directfb term is now running in a plugin Sep 21 20:03:19 and that seems such a BETTER way to build aterminal Sep 21 20:03:25 than blitting in the characters...... Sep 21 20:03:37 so, i would encourage any work to go into directfb term. Sep 21 20:03:41 I hadn't looked at directfb term... Sep 21 20:03:43 what else uses the App Install Service? Sep 21 20:03:50 Quickinstall, Preware and? Sep 21 20:03:58 quickinstall does not use it Sep 21 20:04:03 thanks Rick_work, I'm gonna look into it on my lunch break :) Sep 21 20:04:06 I thought it did Sep 21 20:04:14 quickinstall uses copy/paste :) Sep 21 20:04:17 I thought it copied it over via novacom and initiated it Sep 21 20:04:19 quick install uses novacomm to copy files onto the pre Sep 21 20:04:25 yep Sep 21 20:04:38 then it calls IPKG with a simulated terminal command line Sep 21 20:04:40 So it circumvents the limitation Sep 21 20:04:43 yes Sep 21 20:04:47 the same way preware does Sep 21 20:04:52 right Sep 21 20:04:52 but since preware is ON the pre Sep 21 20:04:57 ok ok Sep 21 20:05:03 what other ON PRE does? Sep 21 20:05:08 preware needed a SERVICE for the mojo app to talk to. Sep 21 20:05:21 no other on-pre apps use the preware install service Sep 21 20:05:43 Does Preload bypass the limit? Sep 21 20:07:24 apparently the current versions of Preload do install advanced hombrew, which means that they can bypass the app limit. Sep 21 20:07:31 K Sep 21 20:07:59 note that this is a point which is, in many ways MORE IMPORTANT than the number-of-apps limit. Sep 21 20:08:33 Preware and preload and quick install can install ADVANCED homebrew apps like terminal, and others which require BINARY services which have to be run. Sep 21 20:08:39 filemanager is another Sep 21 20:08:46 and there will be more. Sep 21 20:08:56 filecoaster can't do that. Sep 21 20:08:58 I understand. Sep 21 20:09:03 FC is out in my book. Sep 21 20:09:06 It was a good start. Sep 21 20:09:11 but nothing like PW. Sep 21 20:09:16 PW is my app of choice. Sep 21 20:09:24 filecoaster does NOT REQUIRE quickinstall to install tho. Sep 21 20:09:27 Would you say the avg size of a Homebrew app is 2mb? Sep 21 20:09:28 PL and PW do Sep 21 20:11:39 average size of homebrew? Sep 21 20:11:42 Look at the feed... Sep 21 20:11:46 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/ Sep 21 20:12:08 lol Sep 21 20:12:10 150K Sep 21 20:12:12 or thereabouts Sep 21 20:12:12 150K Sep 21 20:12:15 jinx Sep 21 20:12:55 so 180/.150=1200? Sep 21 20:13:01 no Sep 21 20:13:07 cause it's not that simple Sep 21 20:13:07 so you could fit 1200 150KB apps into 180MB Sep 21 20:13:19 and INTERESTING apps tend to be larger. Sep 21 20:13:28 because ipk's inflate.. Sep 21 20:13:54 no because graphics take space, sounds take space, even big chunks of text take space. Sep 21 20:14:32 simple big book is 271K Sep 21 20:14:51 and that's a little bit of program, and 181 pages of text. Sep 21 20:15:14 diattrack iis 370K because it has a foods database. Sep 21 20:15:35 could you grab data from a gzipped stream to keep application sizes down ? Sep 21 20:15:59 bpadalino sure, if you wanted the app to only work when you had connectivity. Sep 21 20:16:08 no, i meant store your data locally gzipped .. Sep 21 20:16:17 and tell the app it's a gzipped stream Sep 21 20:16:20 oh Sep 21 20:16:25 no. Sep 21 20:16:27 we tried that. Sep 21 20:16:33 browser croaked ? Sep 21 20:16:39 the local file system ajax calls don't do it;. Sep 21 20:16:44 interesting Sep 21 20:20:51 Rick you got a min to read my post? Sep 21 20:21:28 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/204215-application-installation-limitations-clarification.html Sep 21 20:24:43 "requires a PC" technically true, but I would edit to say (Mac, linux, or windows) Sep 21 20:24:46 updated it a smidge.. added Preware Sep 21 20:24:53 ok Sep 21 20:25:05 since apple is insisting that "PC" means windows.... Sep 21 20:25:05 :-) Sep 21 20:25:07 added "Can install themes, uses multiple feeds" where appropriate Sep 21 20:25:15 I know right. Sep 21 20:25:23 PC = Personal Computer Sep 21 20:25:28 last I checked Mac was a Personal Computer Sep 21 20:25:38 think it's a needed clarification Sep 21 20:25:46 mmk Sep 21 20:26:17 also, isn't there a PreThemer app? and can't the lastest filecoaster isntall themes? Or is that something else???? Sep 21 20:26:48 let me update filecoaster Sep 21 20:27:33 i say win pc, linx pc, or mac... though, usually i dont even say pc... Sep 21 20:27:48 nope. Filecoaster can't Sep 21 20:27:57 nope it can't Sep 21 20:27:58 for themes it's QUICKINSTALL or PREWARE only....... Sep 21 20:27:59 :-) Sep 21 20:29:09 anyone have the phone go offline when running preware? Sep 21 20:29:32 there, refresh Sep 21 20:29:50 I have it go offline when it reboots from a tweak install in QuickInstall Sep 21 20:30:02 it comes back up in offline mode and goes back and forth in "searching" and "offline" Sep 21 20:30:03 You will now be told when applications cannot be installed due to lack of space (Palm only allows 60 non palm apps to be installed in /var, installing outside of /var could cause the applications to not work properly) Sep 21 20:30:06 I have to unplug USB Sep 21 20:30:07 gkatsev: yup, I think it's because of a Java restart behind-the-scenes Sep 21 20:30:10 tha'ts from filecoaster's about..... Sep 21 20:30:38 And I have a Airave, so I know I am not "out of service" Sep 21 20:30:51 refrsh it now rick Sep 21 20:30:58 it's raining _again_ ..... Sep 21 20:31:03 Yeah, here too Sep 21 20:31:04 POURING Sep 21 20:31:04 flare576: hm... ok Sep 21 20:31:08 It JUST started Sep 21 20:31:17 it was sunny about an hour ago Sep 21 20:31:45 gkatsev: I'm no pro, but that's what I've noticed. the disconnect usually coincides with me getting a message that the package service isn't started. Sep 21 20:32:17 yep, but i get disconnects also when the service is working fine Sep 21 20:32:27 rwhitby: any ideas? if you are alive, atm Sep 21 20:33:42 it's just now 0700 for rwhitby give the guy a chance to have a cup of coffee Sep 21 20:33:54 lol Sep 21 20:33:56 Rick, you in Central US? Sep 21 20:34:02 Rick_work: hence "if you are alive, atm" Sep 21 20:34:07 Topeka, KS Sep 21 20:34:12 not far at all Sep 21 20:34:16 Tulsa, OK Sep 21 20:34:20 boston, MA Sep 21 20:34:30 You need to take this ran back Sep 21 20:34:34 rain Sep 21 20:34:37 was sunny earlier today, i think it might still be here, though, cant see Sep 21 20:35:13 been raining since March ... we haven't watered our deck plants but once this entire summer.. Sep 21 20:35:45 It has rained 17 days in september Sep 21 20:36:50 well, the last stretch was 20 days without a sunspot. Sep 21 20:36:58 And then their was the entire month of August. Sep 21 20:37:29 we're rapidly working on a record spotless days count for any year in this century. Sep 21 20:38:16 Less sunspots = less solar wind = more cosmic rays getting through to the ground = more clouds = cooler temps = more storms Sep 21 20:40:33 Want a good one? Sep 21 20:41:38 read the comment by "meyerweb" about 6 or 7 down. Sep 21 20:41:40 at: http://www.precentral.net/palm-executing-good-way Sep 21 20:41:51 then read my reply about 3 more down. Sep 21 20:55:31 Wow.. this is insane Sep 21 20:55:39 do tell Sep 21 20:55:41 I'd say its dropped at least an inch of rain Sep 21 20:55:47 in the past 20 minutes Sep 21 20:55:49 at leaset Sep 21 20:55:53 if not 2 Sep 21 20:56:12 And all I am hearing is "tink.. tink.. tink..tink,tink.. tink.." Sep 21 20:56:18 that's hail pounding my van Sep 21 20:56:30 (I work for a large Telecommunications Company) Sep 21 20:57:05 haha tink tink Sep 21 20:57:09 reminds me of that katt williams skit Sep 21 20:57:16 ha Sep 21 20:57:17 radar says raid is almost past here. Sep 21 20:57:28 they said ours is moving northeast Sep 21 20:57:33 yes Sep 21 20:57:37 with thunderstorm warning to my southwest Sep 21 20:57:41 but you're about to get overrun by a supercell Sep 21 20:57:48 Nice Sep 21 20:57:52 I work in EAST tulsa Sep 21 20:57:58 Actually Broken Arrow Sep 21 20:58:27 Right now I am at HWY 169 and E 61st St S. Sep 21 20:58:47 I have been sitting here waiting for the rain to let up so I can get out of my van and go install this HD box in this house. Sep 21 20:59:03 worst should be past in 15 minuts or so Sep 21 20:59:24 it's been going forever Sep 21 20:59:27 in waves Sep 21 20:59:46 HEAVY rain with strong wind and hail, then it lets up to just a normal rain Sep 21 20:59:50 then back to the heavy Sep 21 20:59:51 peak of storm is over broken arrow NOW.... Sep 21 20:59:59 but to the west of you is nada Sep 21 20:59:59 sweet! Sep 21 21:00:08 NICE! Sep 21 21:00:15 what about southwest? Sep 21 21:00:19 Wait, why am i asking? Sep 21 21:00:23 I havce Sprint Internet on this laptop Sep 21 21:00:30 tis how I am in here irght now. Sep 21 21:00:38 haha Sep 21 21:00:52 * DeCiBeL goes to type up www.weather.com Sep 21 21:00:59 (just did that to get a link) Sep 21 21:06:59 Rick, did you read that comment I posted a link to earlier, then my response to it? The one with the guy bashing Palm and WebOS. Sep 21 21:07:06 yep Sep 21 21:07:18 but he certainly has a point that the lack of a binary sdk is limiting Sep 21 21:07:30 or else all the advanced homebrew wouldn't be "advanced." :-) Sep 21 21:07:46 for example... I would -love- to put a decent AI behind Reversi. Sep 21 21:07:56 but I can't run a binary AI.... Sep 21 21:07:59 ditto chess. Sep 21 21:08:07 Yeah, good point. Sep 21 21:08:16 But still, it's still early. Sep 21 21:09:23 yeah Sep 21 21:09:32 but that's preventing a LOT of stuff Sep 21 21:09:34 music apps Sep 21 21:09:38 intense games Sep 21 21:09:40 etc etc etc Sep 21 21:13:19 DeCiBeL Sep 21 21:13:39 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/204215-application-installation-limitations-clarification.html - the numbe "50" doesn't include all the system apps. Sep 21 21:14:50 btw Sep 21 21:15:17 NaMeS LiKe THiS ARenT COoL. Sep 21 21:31:48 SuReTheyAre Sep 21 21:34:43 AbsoLutelY Especially sine I SUFFER from RandomCapitaliZationSynDROME Sep 21 21:36:08 I own a site where a fairly large number of the users think typing lik DiS iz KeWl n ShyT Sep 21 21:36:17 support emails are always fun Sep 21 21:46:47 that is bad. Sep 21 21:56:14 Decimation: it's old Sep 21 21:56:19 Decimation: I need a new name Sep 21 21:58:38 * Mousey eagerly awaits webos update finish Sep 21 21:59:51 for some reason your combination of upper and lower case doesn't look too bad. I mean it's still pointless but.. Sep 21 22:00:25 DeCiBeL: which post? Sep 21 22:01:32 I got all excited when I tried palm's update on a whim and it said it actually updated it's apps... but it didn't really work. just didn't show any errors Sep 21 22:01:32 Rick_work: WebOS Quick Install also calls ipkg directly, via novacom. Sep 21 22:01:42 anybody else getting an error trying to install org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard? Sep 21 22:01:50 until I went to the palm catalog and tried it and it showed the too many apps error Sep 21 22:02:12 Someoen reported to me that their preware was having issues installing themes too. Error 4. Not sure if it's related Sep 21 22:02:14 rwhitby I know that's what I said later Sep 21 22:02:37 well, THAT's annoying --- http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1909459#post1909459 and my reply. :-/ Sep 21 22:02:41 AnOutsider: i don't think they're related, i'm using webosquickinstall to install the virtual keyboard, to no avail. Sep 21 22:02:45 DeCiBeL: PreLoad also uses ipkgservice if it is installed Sep 21 22:03:10 well maybe to avail, it's a postinst err1, Sep 21 22:03:11 DeCiBeL what's your like, ___ name___ ? Sep 21 22:03:36 Daniel Beamesa Sep 21 22:03:46 beames* Sep 21 22:03:50 rick told me it didn't. Sep 21 22:04:09 So, without wanting to seem stupid, What's _wrong_ with Dan_Beams Sep 21 22:04:17 lol Sep 21 22:04:18 nothing Sep 21 22:04:20 DeCiBeL -- I was wrong. Sep 21 22:04:25 GASP Sep 21 22:04:26 he was wrong Sep 21 22:04:28 gkatsev: that was a problem with pre-0.9.0 versions of preware - are you running the latest version? Sep 21 22:05:00 rwhitby: nope, still on 8.5 or something, ill upgrade tonight then Sep 21 22:05:50 no virtual keyboard! =( Sep 21 22:06:00 gkatsev: 0.9.0 or later to fix out of memory problems restarting java Sep 21 22:06:27 I feel weird chatting with you guys and clicking the preware icon, heh Sep 21 22:08:18 that last version of onscreen keyboard didn't install right, had some theme weirdness, I guess from previous installs, so I reinstalled and it looks great Sep 21 22:08:37 rwhitby: ill let you know if there are any more problems Sep 21 22:08:41 love the "active" keys Sep 21 22:08:51 hmagoo: i swear thats what happened to me, and having had my phone replaced JUST TODAY means no onscreen keyb for me til fixed =( Sep 21 22:09:32 oh wait, no Sep 21 22:09:37 it doesn't install at all for me Sep 21 22:09:59 I think I have rebooted since I Installed, you could always try that... Sep 21 22:10:06 or you get errors? Sep 21 22:10:14 i think i will. i got a postinst error on install Sep 21 22:10:38 trying to install -from- preware now Sep 21 22:10:39 hmagoo: why does chatting with the developers of open source applications feel weird? Sep 21 22:11:15 oooh, install it from preware, that worked Sep 21 22:11:16 thanks! Sep 21 22:11:24 (for hand holding, i guess) Sep 21 22:11:46 * Mousey restarts luna Sep 21 22:12:06 I wonder if 1.2 hits tomorrow/Wednesday. Sep 21 22:12:59 rwhitby:: well, not really.. Sep 21 22:13:22 rwhitby: how's the launcher? ;) Sep 21 22:16:29 mmm, video Sep 21 22:21:26 anyone know whether to pick pre over iphone for chinese language support? Sep 21 22:23:28 no OFFICIAL chinese support on the pre yet Sep 21 22:24:14 ah Sep 21 22:25:23 cjkos needs to change their minds! ;_; Sep 21 22:31:18 1.2 on thursday tlp Sep 21 22:35:14 says who? Sep 21 22:35:35 anonymous tipsters Sep 21 22:35:42 from the big P Sep 21 22:36:11 * Mousey wows, all doe eyed Sep 21 22:36:33 Eguy: this anonymous tipster happen to include any changelog tidbits? ^_^ Sep 21 22:36:33 Thanks for the heads up rod Sep 21 22:36:38 I fixed the post Sep 21 22:36:49 does NOT include system apps. Sep 21 22:37:12 Uses the IPKG Install Service from Webos-Internals. (Preware) and Uses the IPKG Install Service from Webos-Internals, if installed. (PreLoad) Sep 21 22:37:14 The change log was posted online Sep 21 22:37:49 sorry to be such a tard but, url perchance? Sep 21 22:39:16 Looking now Sep 21 22:40:36 http://www.precentral.net/sprint-support-page-says-webos-12-hitting-today Obviously not final but those changes are probably going to stick Sep 21 22:43:33 ooo, me clicks with great gratitude Sep 21 22:43:36 +/ Sep 21 22:44:57 Wow, that was an old to-do list Sep 21 22:45:09 I was like.. WOOHOO!! A final changelog Sep 21 22:45:29 then saw it was a link to the 9/8 post. As you said, obviously not final, but a good idea of what is to come. Sep 21 22:45:38 Good show. Sep 21 22:46:16 LOTS could have changed in the last two weeks. Sep 21 22:46:32 heading home bbl Sep 21 22:49:18 'ello Sep 21 22:54:36 preware 0.9.0 looks great Sep 21 23:02:40 tastes great too Sep 21 23:02:55 mmm yes, I had some preware for lunch today Sep 21 23:03:04 goes great with pesto sauce Sep 21 23:05:06 i turned on some pre owners amongs the staff at my local sprint store to preware.. it's always good to have staff at a sprint store happy with you ^_^ Sep 21 23:15:45 indeed Sep 21 23:25:32 reminds me of the day I turned on Sprint Corp. stores to sMMS for WinMo. Sep 21 23:25:56 and dang, this rain is a repeat of two years ago.. all the neghborhoods in my area are shut down. can't get through fvrom street to street. Sep 21 23:26:52 * zsoc has no rain Sep 21 23:27:14 you can have a couple of the inches that fell her ein the past 2 hours Sep 21 23:27:19 at least 3 to 4 inches Sep 21 23:27:20 if not more Sep 21 23:47:56 how do you take screenshots in the emulator? Sep 21 23:48:39 good question. I just use vista's snipping tool Sep 21 23:49:58 AnOutsider: yea considering I use Mac OS X " Sep 21 23:50:02 i will use the grab tool Sep 21 23:50:02 heh Sep 21 23:50:07 heh Sep 21 23:51:09 eww grab Sep 21 23:51:45 [19:50] *** #webos-internals You need to be a channel operator to do that[19:50] *** #webos-internals You need to be a channel operator to do that Sep 21 23:51:48 wasnt trying to do anything haha Sep 21 23:51:55 yeah right Sep 21 23:52:00 liar Sep 21 23:52:32 AnOutsider: you use trillian right Sep 21 23:54:52 Yes, he uses Trillian Sep 21 23:55:03 indeed Sep 21 23:55:08 It happens if you double-click the irc window Sep 21 23:55:27 ah that explains it. I was jut trying to set focus to the window so i could mousewheel scroll Sep 21 23:55:36 s/jut/just Sep 21 23:55:41 s/jut/just/ Sep 21 23:55:41 AnOutsider meant: s/just/just Sep 21 23:55:45 blah Sep 21 23:56:02 funny, I read it as just Sep 21 23:56:24 heh, used to misspellings I gues Sep 21 23:56:58 :P Sep 21 23:57:12 success! now I can take a break Sep 21 23:57:19 I'm starting to get really sick of PreCentral Sep 21 23:57:30 here comes zsoc's rant Sep 21 23:57:31 I got js and css file edits working on prethemer without allowing the suer to upload whole css and js files Sep 21 23:57:47 this should make them if not forward compatible, less likely to break things since it uses sed Sep 21 23:57:59 Eguy, nope :) Sep 21 23:58:11 zsoc: just the one liner? Sep 21 23:59:00 Eguy, i'll let everyone else fill in the blanks :) besides, all the complaints i had are to be expected. Precentral.net is a commercial website :) Sep 22 00:00:12 P|C pissed me off after the flood of n00bs after the release of the Pre Sep 22 00:01:45 What's the current status with bluetooth services? Are the current drivers proprietary or patched/limited somehow? Sep 22 00:04:11 I think limited, don't hold me to it though Sep 22 00:04:17 By services I meant profiles... and by profiles I meant AVRCP Sep 22 00:04:51 AVRCP is there isn;t it? Sep 22 00:04:52 Yeah, right now it seems _ultra_ limited to just the "headset" protocol, but I'm not sure why. I think a group of people were looking into using BlueZ but I never heard anything after that. Sep 22 00:05:01 s/isn;t/isn't Sep 22 00:05:32 hm, maybe. if it's there... you should be able to control a PS3 with an app, a fairly simple one actually, unless I'm missing something. Sep 22 00:07:18 * zsoc is assuming the PS3 supports AVRCP, maybe that's a big assumption Sep 22 00:09:05 I just got a PS3 I couldn't figure out how to connect a controller lol Sep 22 00:09:10 * zsoc needs to find 40 hours to play Arkhan Asylum and Uncharted 2 Sep 22 00:09:49 lol, the ps3 is actually pretty straight forward. I was pretty diehard against it for awhile... now that i own one, it's definitely my favourite thing in my HT system.... just for BR playback alone, it's steller Sep 22 00:10:07 but i'll agree there are a lot of 'menus' and 'submenus' and things aren't always in the most obvious place Sep 22 00:10:25 i compare that too the way RIM handles things... just give the user the options and they'll worry about finding them later :P Sep 22 00:10:34 s/too/to Sep 22 00:12:51 Well I have a PSP so the ps3 is like a psp xmb on steriods Sep 22 00:12:58 wow my spelling is bad today Sep 22 00:13:06 steroids* Sep 22 00:14:35 rwhitby... you there? Sep 22 00:14:40 yep Sep 22 00:15:01 I got a proposition for ya Sep 22 00:15:55 is it going to make me rich? Sep 22 00:16:27 Not really. Sep 22 00:16:54 I figured you might be in the mood to make a new avatar and you could sell me your current one. ;) Sep 22 00:17:12 sorry, that's not for sale. Sep 22 00:17:17 Dang! Sep 22 00:17:32 and it's not open source either ;-) Sep 22 00:17:51 What if I "deobfuscate" it? Sep 22 00:17:54 hahaha Sep 22 00:18:02 well, the original tux image is - you can get the source for that and do what you like with it :-) Sep 22 00:18:20 I know tux is good Sep 22 00:18:48 argh stupid network shares... Sep 22 00:19:32 DeCiBeL: but that image with the combination of tux, pre and screwdriver is copyright Templarian based on my original image of the same combination, which was based on my original idea. Sep 22 00:19:51 boo Sep 22 00:19:58 I think its slick and precise. Sep 22 00:20:07 I am no good at photoshop Sep 22 00:20:35 DeCiBeL: there is a version that you can add your own avatar to and use: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PreCentral Sep 22 00:20:51 but you must add your own avatar bit to the top to make it unique. Sep 22 00:20:57 * Templarian thinks hehe Sep 22 00:20:58 Indeed Sep 22 00:21:09 nice plug for Tem Sep 22 00:21:09 p Sep 22 00:21:33 I like that Sep 22 00:21:52 Templarian, feel like firing up photoshop for me? :D Sep 22 00:22:12 lol, who uses photoshop? Sep 22 00:22:27 Fireworks > Photoshop <3 Sep 22 00:22:28 using that png template, just adding something cool for me. Sep 22 00:22:38 * DeCiBeL doesn't have either installed on here now. Sep 22 00:22:50 * DeCiBeL just upgrading to Windows 7 Ultimate, free. Sep 22 00:22:54 upgraded* Sep 22 00:23:17 I did that months ago :P Sep 22 00:23:29 * Templarian did that so long ago he can't remember Sep 22 00:23:29 I did it the day it was available for Technet Sep 22 00:23:47 I have been on windows 7 for a long time.. but am on OEM since it was released on technet Sep 22 00:24:04 didn't you just say you are upgrading? Sep 22 00:24:16 then put "upgraded*" Sep 22 00:24:41 ok, didn't you just upgrade? :P Sep 22 00:24:50 lol Sep 22 00:24:52 july was a long time ago ;) Sep 22 00:24:54 upgraded to OEM Sep 22 00:24:59 was it in July? Sep 22 00:25:03 you sure? Sep 22 00:25:05 Um, yes Sep 22 00:26:15 Aug 6th Sep 22 00:26:22 it was released to Technet on Aug 6th Sep 22 00:26:51 and I have been too busy working on the Pre and iTunes to worry about installing any imaging apps, as I am not very good at them. Sep 22 00:27:12 Templarian, could I buy one from you? Based on your png template. Sep 22 00:27:37 Templarian: monetization :-) Sep 22 00:27:45 tiz correct Sep 22 00:27:51 monetizsation compensation Sep 22 00:28:05 -minus the s- Sep 22 00:28:33 More like Paypalization Sep 22 00:32:00 I had it on TechNet in july Sep 22 00:32:03 werid Sep 22 00:32:18 It might be because of my microsoft testing Sep 22 00:33:00 lol. one sec guys. Sep 22 00:39:20 DeCiBeL: http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/332/17305130.png Sep 22 00:39:37 You rock! Sep 22 00:39:55 * Eguy thinks Templarian likes .png Sep 22 00:39:58 any chance you could throw a pre in there?: :D Sep 22 00:40:08 Then give me your paypal email.. ;) Sep 22 00:40:17 png > all other formats Sep 22 00:40:33 DeCiBeL: a pre is a given on precentral hehe. Sep 22 00:40:34 nuh uh.. .raw FTW! Sep 22 00:40:44 .tif ftw Sep 22 00:40:51 cause it is cool to say bro Sep 22 00:40:56 Right, but I am going to use it on my trillian account and other forums. ;) Sep 22 00:40:56 :P Sep 22 00:40:58 I still want animated .png in webOS. Sep 22 00:41:30 * oil thinks eguys favorite format is bmp Sep 22 00:41:52 gotta love 8bit bmp Sep 22 00:42:20 Yea, nothing beats an 8bit bmp. Sep 22 00:42:33 nothing beats ascii arts Sep 22 00:42:35 except everything else Sep 22 00:43:58 hahahah Sep 22 00:44:04 ascaii art hahaha Sep 22 00:44:18 s/ascaii/ascii Sep 22 00:49:08 hmm netsplits Sep 22 00:51:29 they taste like chicken Sep 22 00:52:21 I like how some people don't have auto-connect... Sep 22 00:52:33 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/204242-app-catalog-sorry-no-enough-memory-something-else-going.html how many times is this same question going to be asked? Sep 22 00:52:41 stupid n00bs... Sep 22 00:52:56 trix is for kids. Sep 22 00:53:05 pixi* Sep 22 00:53:22 pixi is for kids ;0 Sep 22 00:53:24 ;)* Sep 22 00:53:25 lol, good one, couldn't think of anything. Sep 22 00:53:35 oh...I never said that :X Sep 22 00:54:31 "How do you reinstall the SDK?" really? Sep 22 00:54:40 hmm that is very hard Sep 22 00:55:43 They failed so much it overflowed into life. Sep 22 00:55:49 Eguy seriously? Sep 22 00:55:59 DeCiBeL: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9958/37790304.png btw. Sep 22 00:56:00 I JUST POSTED A THREAD on this Sep 22 00:56:03 http://forums.precentral.net/1909434-post8.html Sep 22 00:56:30 Templarian now that is what i am talkin about! Sep 22 00:56:34 WHere is my bill? Sep 22 00:57:17 Templarian: $10000000000 Sep 22 00:57:42 Eguy: I have a very good source stating the limit will not be removed in 1.2 Sep 22 00:57:43 Yea, even though i'm an accounting major i'll let Eguy do sales. Sep 22 00:57:44 Eguy: a $9999999999.95 donation, just like MyTether ;-) Sep 22 00:58:03 LOL rwhitby Sep 22 00:58:24 * Templarian jokingly points at his website http://webos.templarian.com/contact/ Sep 22 00:58:28 I want to make a cocktail theme. Sep 22 00:58:36 DaCiBeL: It would be a POOR decision to not remove it Sep 22 00:58:50 Every person with a Pre will complain Sep 22 00:59:12 My source tells me it's not going to happen Sep 22 00:59:27 that Palm is "aware of the issue, but they have larger problems to worry about at the moment" Sep 22 01:00:26 Indeed they do Sep 22 01:00:31 Like Luna is a memory whore Sep 22 01:00:45 that she is Sep 22 01:00:46 I caught her with java getting it on Sep 22 01:04:48 something tells me that admin@templarian.com has email Sep 22 01:07:14 I want free money :( Sep 22 01:10:07 Eguy: the proportion of Pre users that use homebrew is too small for Palm to be concerned about. Sep 22 01:11:15 I wasn't paying attention. What does the evil palm conglomerate hate now? Sep 22 01:11:40 chrisa: nothing, they're just not fussed about some little problem that homebrew users have with application limits Sep 22 01:12:00 Yes, but one the end user still can't install more than 50 apps Sep 22 01:12:05 oh, that 50 app limit thing Sep 22 01:12:10 I'm sure it'll be fixed, whatever Sep 22 01:12:20 rm applimit :P Sep 22 01:12:38 chrisa: yeah, me too - that's why I'm not going out of my way in Preware to do anything about it. Sep 22 01:13:13 Looking at the strings in the binary, I think it's a case of "I'm sure that arbitrary limit will be removed" rather than needing to "fix" anything ;-) Sep 22 01:13:32 I don't pretend to know anything about what the ui / os folk do Sep 22 01:13:41 indeed much bigger fish to fry Sep 22 01:14:20 like full opengl video accel within webos (hey i can dream) Sep 22 01:14:25 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/02-zonda-r-live.jpg that is pure pornography Sep 22 01:14:47 punzada-m: and directx 11 so it can run crysis ;) Sep 22 01:14:59 lol Sep 22 01:15:10 i dont need crysis Sep 22 01:15:24 We all need a little crysis Sep 22 01:15:27 :P Sep 22 01:15:55 i honestly only played crysis for like two hours Sep 22 01:16:25 wasnt all that impressed but i was only playing it on a 9600m Sep 22 01:16:58 gameplay is more important than graphics Sep 22 01:17:01 It's good on max Sep 22 01:17:25 oil: sounds like sex Sep 22 01:17:48 lol Sep 22 01:18:00 Crysis was an amazing game and I only played it on medium. I'm more impressed when they imported the oblivion models into Crytek. Sep 22 01:18:33 Crytek are great designers Sep 22 01:19:24 Nothing beats id Tech 5 when it comes out though. Sep 22 01:19:47 Oregon Trail FTW Sep 22 01:20:40 eguy has died of Dysteria Sep 22 01:20:58 oil has scurvy Sep 22 01:21:22 All you needed was 99 boxes of bullets Sep 22 01:21:30 and maybe to start as a banker Sep 22 01:21:39 I always stated as a banker Sep 22 01:21:44 started Sep 22 01:21:45 for the $ Sep 22 01:21:58 we just always rushed to hunt while in class Sep 22 01:22:09 chrisa: so is Preware still working fine on the Pixi? Sep 22 01:22:10 i perferred skifree though personally Sep 22 01:22:42 * rwhitby wonders whether any of the Themes work on the Pixi ... Sep 22 01:22:47 [offtopic] The Renault F1 racing team is given a two-year suspended ban by the FIA, after accepting a charge of conspiring to cause a deliberate crash (pictured) at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix. Best news all day! Woohoo! Sep 22 01:23:12 rwhitby: hmmm I wonder if anybody could test such a thing............. Sep 22 01:23:15 * Templarian finds it funny that Aion MMO by NCsoft uses Crytek. Sep 22 01:23:16 skifree was fun until you got eaten by the sasquatch Sep 22 01:23:22 rwhitby: half of preware appears to use a fragile patching system that explodes when the expected source files are different Sep 22 01:23:27 Not really your fault Sep 22 01:24:02 chrisa: half? the only package using patches I'm aware of is the virtual keyboard, and it should fail-safe ... Sep 22 01:24:23 i just updated all my preware stuff today was playing with the accelerometer example Sep 22 01:24:40 The keyboard and term are all I tried Sep 22 01:24:49 and actually, it was more of a 100% failure rate based on my sample Sep 22 01:24:50 :) Sep 22 01:24:55 im on the term typing this Sep 22 01:24:56 lol Sep 22 01:25:05 chrisa, the term failed ? Sep 22 01:25:19 I failed to update the ipkgservice from preware today Sep 22 01:25:22 chrisa: hmm - was the term failure due to the screen size ? or missing termplugin ? Sep 22 01:25:24 For minor reasons, you'll figure it out Sep 22 01:25:26 i should be working on packaging but tonight is football Sep 22 01:25:28 lol Sep 22 01:26:23 rwhitby, armv7 versus armv6 for the different processors ? Sep 22 01:26:50 bpadalino: I don't think we compile any armv7-specific instructions into the binaries. Sep 22 01:27:29 we call them armv7 cause that's what Palm used for the ipkg arch on the Pre, but I think the autobuilder builds fairly portable arm binaries. Sep 22 01:27:52 hrm Sep 22 01:28:24 bpadalino: we'll find out soon enough when the Pixi gets into the wild. Sep 22 01:28:30 true Sep 22 01:29:02 I'm glad that preware and ipkgservice run well enough to give chrisa errors on the Pixi ;-) Sep 22 01:29:18 indeed thats encouraging Sep 22 01:29:24 hehe Sep 22 01:29:52 Well, the os between devices is always going to be synced besides drivers and such Sep 22 01:30:02 This should remain true for any product we push out Sep 22 01:30:15 Just an issue of you having no idea what is running on pixi presently Sep 22 01:30:25 yeah, it's well designed in that respect Sep 22 01:30:29 we're clueless :( Sep 22 01:30:37 When is the post coming out? Sep 22 01:30:52 Eguy: what post? Sep 22 01:31:02 the pre's sucessor ;) Sep 22 01:31:20 zing Sep 22 01:31:31 they need to ship the penultimate first ... Sep 22 01:31:38 hehe Sep 22 01:31:47 all i saw was "less powerful" and of course "named pixie" to be generally disinterested in it but more devices with webos the better Sep 22 01:32:05 but marketing hasn't signed off on "Penul" as a brand name yet ... Sep 22 01:32:17 It's pixi not pixie Sep 22 01:32:25 pixie is too close to pixie sticks Sep 22 01:32:36 same diff Sep 22 01:32:37 lol Sep 22 01:35:23 nothing like using wget to download and test wallpapers Sep 22 01:35:24 XD Sep 22 01:35:36 I've done it Sep 22 01:36:02 Brings out the inner geek Sep 22 01:36:19 geek? what's a geek? Sep 22 01:36:29 syntax error Sep 22 01:36:31 :P Sep 22 01:36:47 XD Sep 22 01:36:50 <~Tilton53> I found the prefect wallpaper Sep 22 01:36:50 <~Tilton53> http://www.prethemer.com/White_Russian-wallpaper50.html Sep 22 01:36:50 <~Tilton53> Now I need like 50 drinks like it Sep 22 01:36:50 <~Tilton53> <.< And I can just setup the wall paper switching app Sep 22 01:36:50 <~Tilton53> Different drink an hr Sep 22 01:52:34 anyone use the komodo ide plugin? Sep 22 01:52:37 i can't get code completion to work Sep 22 01:52:41 I have Sep 22 01:52:42 Once Sep 22 01:52:48 I use Eclipse now Sep 22 01:52:51 it works better Sep 22 01:52:53 ;) Sep 22 01:53:01 eclipse is such a pita to setup though Sep 22 01:53:17 But once it's set up, it's very nice Sep 22 01:53:38 oh i guess i should've read the komodo plugin site closer Sep 22 01:53:41 bugs in osx HUR Sep 22 01:53:57 Can someone help me find out where to change the background color of the " add attachment" window in the messaging app? Sep 22 01:55:44 eclipse is so convoluted in comparison to komodo ide Sep 22 02:00:29 Anybody have a clue how to make photo ablums on a pre? Sep 22 02:00:30 O.o Sep 22 02:02:02 Create a folder in the media/internal/? Sep 22 02:02:14 I tried that Sep 22 02:02:22 it made an abulm but could load the pics Sep 22 02:02:27 I just got blank squares Sep 22 02:02:27 XD Sep 22 02:02:42 Well I have images spread in various folders and they appear as separate albums in the pre and load find Sep 22 02:02:50 Actually loads my artwork for my music files Sep 22 02:02:58 Hmm Sep 22 02:03:04 * Tilton53 will have to look more into this Sep 22 02:03:05 -.- Sep 22 02:03:07 Which is annoying because I have like 20 albums with artwork Sep 22 02:03:11 LOL Sep 22 02:10:10 Wait, did rwhitby make a crotch joke and i missed it? Sep 22 02:10:38 Or was "Penul" supposed to be a take on "penultimate", as in "second best to the Pre"? Sep 22 02:10:55 yeah, nice try though Sep 22 02:11:00 He is above that Sep 22 02:11:05 Or was it a double entendre? Sep 22 02:11:27 Well it holds both meanings :P I think he was trying to sneak one past us. Sep 22 02:11:45 Wishful thinking Sep 22 02:12:01 Ah, I see now (reads the whole context) Sep 22 02:12:29 Still, urban dictionary doesn't lie ;) Sep 22 02:13:07 hah urbandictionary Sep 22 02:13:47 hmm 53% battery in two hours with screen always on with irc+bitlbee and a little browsing Sep 22 02:14:14 i need a bigger third party battery i think Sep 22 02:14:23 any suggestions? Sep 22 02:14:28 I have the 1350 and I barely make it to 6pm Sep 22 02:14:37 diehard? Sep 22 02:15:59 i got a good nine hours yesterday with just a little browsing checking my football pool Sep 22 02:16:14 few calls etc etc Sep 22 02:16:24 Can someone help me find out where to change the background color of the " add attachment" window in the messaging app? Sep 22 02:17:02 oil: just 2 push accounts for me Sep 22 02:17:28 i have 3 accts set for every hour Sep 22 02:17:49 http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02850034000P Sep 22 02:18:21 * punzada-m needs to hack in some url copy/pasting in the terminal app Sep 22 02:19:35 I'd get the extended 2300 battery Sep 22 02:19:48 but it's not touchstone compatable Sep 22 02:19:49 :/ Sep 22 02:21:41 No love for Aby? Sep 22 02:22:11 background: #abc; Sep 22 02:22:23 I wish it was that easy Sep 22 02:22:44 it isnt? Sep 22 02:22:48 its html and css Sep 22 02:22:50 how hard could it be? Sep 22 02:23:14 well Im not really a coder, but Im just having a hard time finding out where it is Sep 22 02:24:35 yeah, i dont know where it is Sep 22 02:24:54 I didnt expect anyone to help anyways, just thought I would try Sep 22 02:27:29 I think the html is at "\usr\palm\applications\com.palm.app.messaging\app\views\imageview" Sep 22 02:27:55 whats in ../../images/? Sep 22 02:28:17 No background images Sep 22 02:28:22 i mean stylesheets Sep 22 02:28:23 xD Sep 22 02:28:37 There goes oil with the false information again Sep 22 02:28:48 I dont understand it enough, I experimented with the .css but I cant find the right value Sep 22 02:29:19 so, this new Pre code comes out tomorrow, then? Sep 22 02:29:32 err what? Sep 22 02:29:32 eh? Sep 22 02:29:35 3 days at the lastest Sep 22 02:29:38 if you mean 1.2 Sep 22 02:29:39 XD Sep 22 02:29:46 latest* Sep 22 02:29:53 oh I think he means code to unlock the app limit Sep 22 02:30:09 it is up down L2 R1 O X Box F12 Sep 22 02:30:27 it wasnt today eguy? Sep 22 02:30:31 ah ok :) Sep 22 02:30:43 Nope Sep 22 02:31:38 I think I found it Sep 22 02:32:00 this is wierd Sep 22 02:32:09 im hoping the barrage of 1.2 bugs from the leak will at least be somewhat fixed by release Sep 22 02:32:09 virtual keyboard shows up on preware as an update Sep 22 02:32:17 but when i go to it there is no update button Sep 22 02:32:55 which means... Sep 22 02:32:56 remove Sep 22 02:32:58 then install Sep 22 02:33:04 lol Sep 22 02:33:17 webosinternals was removed in newest ipkgservice? Sep 22 02:33:58 ah stupid postinst Sep 22 02:35:08 why do i keep getting web design job offers i fail at everything web design Sep 22 02:35:36 I keep getting viagra emails but I don't need it Sep 22 02:35:49 irc client for emacs *cringe* Sep 22 02:35:58 opps that kinda shouldn't be in this room :D Sep 22 02:36:04 lol Sep 22 02:36:55 the pre successor needs a long-ways slide out keyboard *nod* Sep 22 02:37:09 terminal apps look so nice that way Sep 22 02:37:20 It's called the post Sep 22 02:37:47 * oil contemplates going to midnight odst launch Sep 22 02:37:53 ewww Sep 22 02:38:05 Booyah! I got it :) Sep 22 02:38:06 odst? Sep 22 02:38:15 halo Sep 22 02:38:19 the new one Sep 22 02:38:19 Is it good? I am not interested Sep 22 02:38:27 ahh Sep 22 02:38:27 i like halo games Sep 22 02:38:33 when is the launch Sep 22 02:38:40 tonight at midnight Sep 22 02:38:44 oh wow Sep 22 02:38:50 * Eguy waits for Forza 3 Sep 22 02:39:06 oil: what do we need to do for the automatic error ipkg log popup? Sep 22 02:39:16 i got nfs shift still havent played it though Sep 22 02:39:26 ohh shift is good for a nfs game Sep 22 02:39:27 oil: Jason now has better error reporting in wosqi .... Sep 22 02:39:59 i need to code it in Sep 22 02:40:02 all off topic convo should be in #webos-watercooler I hate to flood this channel lol Sep 22 02:40:04 i just forgot about it in the last release Sep 22 02:45:28 oil: i wish i could go.. lol Sep 22 02:45:31 SCHOOOL SUCKS Sep 22 02:49:49 okay guys.. lol, math homework Sep 22 02:49:49 cya. Sep 22 02:49:55 lol Sep 22 02:51:07 ouch Sep 22 02:51:12 homework Sep 22 02:51:17 I remember those days Sep 22 02:51:34 lolol Sep 22 02:51:40 i do a lot of work from home even today Sep 22 02:51:43 lol Sep 22 02:52:07 work from home != homework from school Sep 22 02:52:45 besides adding precentral's themes, has anything else changed in the latest version of preware? Sep 22 02:53:40 the latest version of preware was to add the theme section Sep 22 02:53:47 you're thinking package manager service? Sep 22 02:57:19 AnOutsider: the 'tags' section of http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/ipkgservice.git;a=summary and http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=summary should give a good idea. Sep 22 02:59:51 is patch updating coming to preware? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 22 02:59:57 2009