**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 25 02:59:58 2009 Sep 25 02:59:58 i just want a record and stop feature, then an option to choose what its saved as Sep 25 03:00:34 hmm Sep 25 03:00:35 thats weird Sep 25 03:00:37 just uploaded Sep 25 03:00:39 let me reupload Sep 25 03:00:43 Decimation, I'm confused... why are you telling me this? besides ajames, I'd be surprised is anyone understood gstreamer as it's built on the pre better than myself.. not trying to tip my own hat, just worked hard on it Sep 25 03:01:39 im just surprised in the lack of interest in it from the community. Sep 25 03:01:53 dBsooner: http://www.cheatzcity.com/PreVid2.avi Sep 25 03:01:59 was posted on precentral as well Sep 25 03:02:16 Why is everyone pointing at that video? I took a video at that resolution with muxed sound 2 months ago? Sep 25 03:02:32 I just don't like showing people my bathroom. The point is the technology is already there. Sep 25 03:02:48 Heck, the instructions on taking a video like that is almost definitely in the wiki Sep 25 03:02:49 where is the hidden camera?!?! Sep 25 03:02:55 * zsoc facepalms Sep 25 03:03:02 IT'S NOT HIDDEN. READ WEBOS-INTERNALS WIKI Sep 25 03:03:16 Sorry, I get excited too easily. Sep 25 03:04:02 Decimation: it wouldn't be hard to make a service to control video recording if someone cared to do it Sep 25 03:04:11 the work ajames did on getting ogg and flac to work is BY FAR the most important step we've taken in getting gst to load plugins and support elements that will make many audio and video feats posible in the future Sep 25 03:04:21 destinal, no, and someone is doing it, some canadian, can't remember his name Sep 25 03:04:25 RainMan, what are you using to install the keyboard? Sep 25 03:04:30 destinal: jason said he'd have it done tonight i think Sep 25 03:04:41 zsoc: yes, he is "some canadaian" :P Sep 25 03:04:45 the org.webosinternals.diffstat package should just be in the feed (and automatically installed by Preware when keyboard gets installed) Sep 25 03:05:14 Hey all. I'm curious, roughly how much of webos is opensource/free software? (I realize most of the software stack is in javascript, so the source is there, just not freely distributable/modifable) Sep 25 03:05:20 * NCommander is considering dumping his G1 for a Pre Sep 25 03:05:26 jason who? Sep 25 03:05:44 egaudet i've tryed the preware way and the CLI . i got "error installing 4" in pre .. and that one in CLI Sep 25 03:05:49 NCommander, webos? none of luna is opensource/free software Sep 25 03:06:12 zsoc: jason robitaille Sep 25 03:06:32 Decimation, is he related to luke robataille? that would be awesome, maybe i could get an autograph Sep 25 03:06:49 zsoc, let me rephrase that; is there enough opensource bits that I could remove webos and run a custom stack? (I'm just trying to figure out how open webos is) Sep 25 03:07:12 er Sep 25 03:07:13 sorry Sep 25 03:07:15 how open the hardware is Sep 25 03:07:27 NCommander, hardware is completely gratis Sep 25 03:07:37 NCommander: mostly the kernel, not much before that Sep 25 03:07:40 er, completely is a bad word. Sep 25 03:07:49 zsoc, few binary blobs floating around? Sep 25 03:07:52 right, at and after the kernel :) Sep 25 03:08:00 dBsooner: got it Sep 25 03:08:03 Still, sounds pretty good Sep 25 03:08:05 woot! Sep 25 03:08:10 * zsoc thinks chrisa is the one to ask, but he might be grumpy about it ;) Sep 25 03:08:35 zsoc, Google has started suing modders of the G1 and custom ROM makers (on legit grounds, but it really steams me, and I'm not thrilled on how locked down Android is) Sep 25 03:08:48 RainMan, when you get error from preware, what does the ipkg log say? (app menu-> IPKG log) Sep 25 03:08:58 howdy JayCanuck :P Sep 25 03:09:01 hence why I'm seeing how things are over in the pre camp Sep 25 03:09:01 NCommander, this is off the record, but I'm pretty sure Android is the devil Sep 25 03:09:15 NCommander: Android itself isn't locked down. It's individual handsets that are locked down Sep 25 03:09:22 dBsooner: Change complete Sep 25 03:09:24 zsoc: :P thats harsh Sep 25 03:09:30 Wow, I'm glad he showed up _AFTER_ i make the luke robataille joke Sep 25 03:09:43 doh Sep 25 03:09:54 No big deal, but can you lower the d? Sep 25 03:10:02 egaudet it seem to lock at the d/l part Sep 25 03:10:02 lol Sep 25 03:10:11 zsoc: where can I get hardware for free? Sep 25 03:10:20 error generic method exeption Sep 25 03:10:20 gratis? like no charge? Sep 25 03:10:27 RainMan, expand? Sep 25 03:10:29 Regardless, thanks rick_home, I didn't mean for you to go through all that. Sep 25 03:10:45 1)beging installation of org .... Sep 25 03:10:55 2)installing org.web.... Sep 25 03:11:04 3) Downloading http:/..... Sep 25 03:11:09 that all Sep 25 03:11:12 's Sep 25 03:11:16 destinal, thank you for pointing out my clearly silly and mistaken terminology :P Sep 25 03:11:20 what is the feed it is downloading from? Sep 25 03:11:24 what version of preware Sep 25 03:11:30 http:/... Sep 25 03:11:33 0.9 Sep 25 03:11:47 feed = webos-internals Sep 25 03:11:52 JayCanuck, you the guy making the gstreamer service? Sep 25 03:11:57 ipkg.preware.org Sep 25 03:12:14 zsoc: lol, I was hoping you could point me at the goods. Sep 25 03:12:19 Rainman what is the exact url of the http:// line Sep 25 03:12:37 * destinal wants more pre's as dev units (the one I have has to be a working phone) Sep 25 03:12:45 zsoc, I'm just got a basic video test service using existing information on the forums Sep 25 03:13:09 NCommander: there's nothing locked down about the pre, you can recompile the kernel, replace anything you want on the rootfs image, totally overwrite everything with whatever OS you want if you like. Sep 25 03:13:25 JayCanuck, that's what I mean. it's funny, gstreamer has always worked and no one bothered making a service... me personally basically because i know nothing about java services :P Sep 25 03:13:51 heh, I've got an unzip/unrar/untar service coming soon too Sep 25 03:13:52 zsoc: we have C services now, yay Sep 25 03:14:05 destinal, I wonder how long until someone puts Android on a Pre ... Sep 25 03:14:05 egaudet i've d/L the ipk file manualy .. ipkg install ... Sep 25 03:14:11 * NCommander hears a gunshot in his general direction Sep 25 03:14:15 NCommander: I think someone has to want to Sep 25 03:14:18 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard: Sep 25 03:14:18 org.webosinternals.patch org.webosinternals.diffstat Sep 25 03:14:18 root@castle:/var/home/root# Sep 25 03:14:28 JayCanuck, I only ask, because depending on your service (how open it is, and how customizable the options are in the commands, if you would allow, etc), it could probably be used as a template for gui's once other plugins are working Sep 25 03:14:42 if you are fine with manual then do ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.patch; ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.diffstat Sep 25 03:14:52 NCommander: there are many here that, if they were so motivated, probably could have done so months ago Sep 25 03:15:13 then the keyboard, and don't forget to run postinst script if doing it manually Sep 25 03:15:19 destinal, can you please forgive my ignorance and define "we have C services"? I mean, I understand prior only java services work, but how does a C service work if it's not including in the rest of the java services? does it not start/restart with those services either? Is it controlled by dbus? Sep 25 03:15:40 destinal, I know ;-) Sep 25 03:15:44 zsoc: not at all Sep 25 03:16:08 zsoc: since the first release of webos we've seen palm has shipped with c and java services on the device (libpurple-adapter is a C service, for instance) Sep 25 03:16:15 destinal, where is it located? how is it controlled? i just always associated "service" with "java" when it came to the pre. Sep 25 03:16:17 ok, listening Sep 25 03:16:17 we now have some of our own open source ones, that's all Sep 25 03:16:21 oh Sep 25 03:16:32 egaudet Cannot find package org.webosinternals.diffstat. Sep 25 03:16:37 what was the initial obsticle that stopped it from working? Sep 25 03:16:45 and the ipkg database is uptodate ! Sep 25 03:16:49 zsoc: we were missing a couple of lunaservice headers Sep 25 03:16:50 ipkg -o /var update Sep 25 03:16:54 ipkg -o /var upgrade Sep 25 03:17:21 zsoc: PuffTheMagic is the most familiar with C services of us, having written three or four and posted them Sep 25 03:17:22 root@castle:/var/home/root# ipkg -o /var upgrade Sep 25 03:17:22 Nothing to be done Sep 25 03:17:25 RainMan, cat /var/etc/ipkg/webos-internals.conf Sep 25 03:17:43 destinal, ah, and the workaround? or would that be way over my head too? lol Sep 25 03:17:44 ho Sep 25 03:17:45 # This feed is not configured - please make sure the postinst script is executed to create this feed. Sep 25 03:18:17 zsoc: actually, greg_roll asked again (adding his voice to puff's and mine) for the headers under LGPL and Palm provided them finally Sep 25 03:18:28 Oh, wow. Sep 25 03:18:38 did you install the package manager service for preware RainMan Sep 25 03:18:41 That's impressive :) Sep 25 03:18:54 egaudet yup i can try to reinstall it Sep 25 03:19:01 did you run the postinst Sep 25 03:19:03 but it's installed and it run Sep 25 03:19:05 for the ipkgservice Sep 25 03:19:20 destinal, er.. why exactly did they have to release them under lgpl? on what ground? Sep 25 03:20:10 zsoc: because without them the libpurple-adapter LGPL release (mandatory if they're going to ship a binary since it's a derivative work of libpurple which is GPL'd) was a license violation Sep 25 03:20:27 because those two headers are required to compile it. Sep 25 03:21:07 (well the libpurple-adapter binary being shipped at all was a license violation without full source including those headers) Sep 25 03:21:10 egaudet done .. i think you'Ve^nailed it ! Sep 25 03:21:25 :D Sep 25 03:21:29 luna is restarting now Sep 25 03:21:34 ZzzZ Sep 25 03:21:40 sounds good Sep 25 03:21:45 luna restart is relatively fast Sep 25 03:22:02 oil: relatively compared to what? Sep 25 03:22:03 i like the "relatively" ;) Sep 25 03:22:04 :P Sep 25 03:22:13 the movement of glaciers? Sep 25 03:22:23 lol Sep 25 03:22:50 destinal, wait, i have a question, and i think it's important. there's a library in the headers of camsrc (the v4l2 patched driver/plugin that runs the camera) that is called for, which is palm build, and unavailble. would they have to make this library available under the same arguments that it's neccessary to be able to compile their derivitive of v4l2? Sep 25 03:22:54 egaudet working ! ;) thz Sep 25 03:22:55 thx Sep 25 03:23:11 np Sep 25 03:27:48 you guys might find this interesting :) [off topic] http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/24/the-engadget-show-hands-on-with-times-square/ [/off topic] Sep 25 03:28:37 zsoc it's worth a try. Sep 25 03:28:49 what's the underlying license on v412? Sep 25 03:29:02 rick_home, GPL.. er.. 2? if i remember? i can check again Sep 25 03:29:38 rick_home, actually, the same header missing for compiling that, is the same header missing (i believe) to get a preview 'sink' working Sep 25 03:29:50 well, send them a very very very nice polite letter and see what happens. Sep 25 03:29:54 * zsoc wishes he knew more about licenses to be able to word an email well Sep 25 03:30:01 I will send a super polite letter :D Sep 25 03:30:03 you could model it on Greg Roll's letter that is in the repository Sep 25 03:30:13 could you point me to it? Sep 25 03:30:17 * geist notes that all polite letters get sent to the shredder Sep 25 03:30:35 apparently they missed one. Sep 25 03:30:48 geist, somehow i don't think you get the email from the opensource@ address ;) unless you do D: Sep 25 03:30:58 heh, no way Sep 25 03:31:02 i'd go crazy Sep 25 03:31:06 lol Sep 25 03:31:12 oh cmon, they can't get more than 1 a day Sep 25 03:31:16 some lawyer always gets involved.... Sep 25 03:31:28 and IANAL Sep 25 03:31:30 .. you know.. could have just released it all to begin with as per the license ;) Sep 25 03:31:33 IANAL? Sep 25 03:32:53 i am not a lawyer Sep 25 03:33:38 geist, you were supposed to give up some old boards to chrisa ... i am apparently not very convincing :( Sep 25 03:33:46 rick_home, it's GPL2. without being able to read the legalese in the license verbage, is there a valid argument here for releasing headers neccesary to compile a software revision? Sep 25 03:33:51 damn lawyers Sep 25 03:34:02 bpadalino: oh yeah? Sep 25 03:34:12 geist, yeah - hook him up .. :) Sep 25 03:34:23 zsoc: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=libraries/luna-headers.git;a=blob;f=README;h=3a67713c84243cf398549056c3321f5dcadf5e0c;hb=114f651800fd7cbc9e4292f246acfaf1a605a700 Sep 25 03:34:30 that's me being convincing Sep 25 03:34:32 :( Sep 25 03:35:01 er, by revision i mean derivitive, and thank you Sep 25 03:35:58 rick_home: Thanks for changing that for me. Sep 25 03:36:26 rick_home, genius, thank you again. Sep 25 03:41:23 starting my first mojo app.. when i created it using eclipse, the index.html file is empty. shouldn't it have template code in it? Sep 25 03:41:55 yep Sep 25 03:42:11 you created it with the standard project functions, not the plugin create project Sep 25 03:42:22 but what are you doing using eclipse anyway? (ick ick ick ) Sep 25 03:42:40 i used the plugin create Sep 25 03:43:09 the, i have no idea. Sep 25 03:43:30 but I can strongly suggest that you switch to komodo with the webos ide. webos.templarian.com Sep 25 03:43:32 file-new-project-mojo os-palm app Sep 25 03:43:51 empty as in completely blank? Sep 25 03:43:55 developer.palm.com said to use eclipse Sep 25 03:44:05 completely. Sep 25 03:44:18 lol Sep 25 03:44:20 my appinfo.json has the stuff it should. Sep 25 03:44:20 you will quickly discover that that is not the only thing that developer.palm.com is incorrect about.... Sep 25 03:44:40 the docs have so many errors Sep 25 03:44:47 the documentation (what there is of it) is several revisions BEHIND the actual runtime of mojo Sep 25 03:45:03 we are attempting to write a decent set of docs to replace theirs at the wiki Sep 25 03:45:27 really? Sep 25 03:45:31 i am using 64bit linux could that be the problem? does the palm eclipse plugin not work for 64 bit? Sep 25 03:45:36 reall oil Sep 25 03:45:39 i just want somewhere to list all the places its broken, ahah xD Sep 25 03:45:42 one thing at a time, but yes. Sep 25 03:45:54 they can't build docs for the api? Sep 25 03:45:57 from the api Sep 25 03:46:12 they are Sep 25 03:46:13 is komodo still gecko based? Sep 25 03:46:16 tmzt they are Sep 25 03:46:23 tmzt yes Sep 25 03:46:33 so everyone here uses komodo/ Sep 25 03:46:59 pretty much, since one of the guys here wrote a really wonderful IDE that runs in komodo Sep 25 03:47:07 * oil uses eclipse and gets all sorts of crap for it Sep 25 03:47:11 that has code completion, and tight integration with mojo and webos Sep 25 03:47:44 oil: any idea how i can track down why my index.html is empty? Sep 25 03:47:53 i am not sure if the plugin installed successfully Sep 25 03:47:59 if rick had time, rick would write a visual studio integration, but it's not going to happen Sep 25 03:48:00 although i do have it in the menu options Sep 25 03:48:27 wh0dat: i have no clue Sep 25 03:49:15 make i need to install the aptana plugins, i skipped that step Sep 25 03:49:29 grr why won't the autobuilder build the new packages! :( Sep 25 03:49:29 s/make/maybe Sep 25 03:51:39 wtf Sep 25 03:51:55 i cat'ed the file and its all there Sep 25 03:52:03 eclipse shows it as blank Sep 25 03:54:05 egaudet: rwhitby is awake, he might be able to kick it Sep 25 03:54:05 this is really wierd Sep 25 03:54:14 he's on vacation for 10 days I thought Sep 25 03:54:29 morning Sep 25 03:54:43 rwhitby, good evening :) Sep 25 03:54:52 evening rwhitby Sep 25 03:55:06 you wake up at the right time, autobuilder hates me Sep 25 03:55:32 s/wake up/get on/ Sep 25 03:55:33 egaudet meant: you get on at the right time, autobuilder hates me Sep 25 03:55:45 autobuilder hates everyone :( Sep 25 03:56:47 oil: if i right click on the file in eclipse and open it in a text editor, i can see it. if i open it with default editor its blank Sep 25 03:57:03 whats the default editor? Sep 25 03:57:11 maybe thats why they have the aptana setep Sep 25 03:57:12 step* Sep 25 03:57:19 to load up an html editor Sep 25 03:57:37 yeah Sep 25 03:57:44 so you did that step? Sep 25 03:57:52 i already had it Sep 25 03:57:59 from doing web development Sep 25 03:58:04 ok Sep 25 03:58:20 is the twee app still around? Sep 25 03:58:22 i thought eclipse was java based so had web stuff already....shrug Sep 25 03:58:25 heisenman-home: yep, got the phone. Sep 25 03:58:45 rwhitby: you got a pre finally? cool Sep 25 03:59:04 wh0dat whats the default html editor? Sep 25 03:59:09 rwhitby: any cool discoveries yet? Sep 25 03:59:22 right click on the file in the project explorer and what has a dot next to it under open with Sep 25 03:59:39 more importantly, what does rod think about the hardware Sep 25 03:59:50 checking Sep 25 04:00:03 cdma pre? of course Sep 25 04:00:11 NCommander: what are the android hackers being sued for? simple redistribution of copyright material or something else? Sep 25 04:00:46 oil: Web Browser Sep 25 04:00:56 rwhitby, simple redistribution of the Google apps. I'm not suprised, but it pissed me off Sep 25 04:01:02 which i tried, and it does not launch firefox Sep 25 04:01:24 yeah Sep 25 04:01:24 going to install the plugins Sep 25 04:01:29 web browser is no good Sep 25 04:01:31 no wonder it looked blank Sep 25 04:01:32 lol Sep 25 04:01:35 hehe Sep 25 04:01:39 thanks for helping me ;) Sep 25 04:01:41 NCommander: it's not a huge deal, the modders will come up with a utility that patches a legal image to do what they want, so they don't have to redistribute the copyrighted stuff Sep 25 04:01:43 RainMan: if you have that message in the conf file, then you didn't run the postinst. Sep 25 04:02:20 destinal, no, I know that will happen, but I don't like seeing people who try and improve stuff sent C&Ds Sep 25 04:02:38 oil: following this helloworld tutorial. hopefully its not too old that i am learning wrong stuff. Sep 25 04:02:55 what helloworld tutorial? Sep 25 04:03:19 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1758 Sep 25 04:03:24 NCommander: copyright is copyright, what can I say Sep 25 04:03:35 egaudet: did you look at the autobuilder log? Sep 25 04:03:41 * zsoc thinks many issues here would be resolved if the location of the postinst's were somewhere easy to get to, like the channel topic P Sep 25 04:03:42 destinal, I know Sep 25 04:03:43 its probably ok Sep 25 04:03:51 k Sep 25 04:03:53 no where is it? Sep 25 04:03:57 very very simple Sep 25 04:04:30 gkatsev: I updated the recovery page with an easier way to bypass activation without needing to change the doctor jar, so it will work immediately for any future version. Sep 25 04:04:41 if ajames stops by, tell him if he's only going to show up on weekends, i need his brain matter on weekdays :> Sep 25 04:04:50 zsoc: Pre hardware is good, but it seems the GPS sucks without carrier assistance. Sep 25 04:05:01 NCommander: it's like one of the phantom edit people distributing an improved copy of star wars episode I. yeah, they've improved it, but I can understand lucasfilms stopping them Sep 25 04:05:20 rwhitby, yeah, i'm sure it heavily relies on a-gps, because with assistance it works wonderfully :) Sep 25 04:05:26 destinal, sure, but Lucasfilms doesn't claim a company slogan of Do No Evil Sep 25 04:05:27 egaudet: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/buildlogs/autobuild-mason-last.txt Sep 25 04:05:30 NCommander: open source is based on upholding copyright. You can't be pissed at a company that upholds it copyright. Sep 25 04:05:57 destinal: exactly what I'm doing for the webos-internals meta-doctor Sep 25 04:06:15 is the twee beta closed? Sep 25 04:06:17 rwhitby, I'm aware of this. Don't misunderstand me, I completely understand why this is being done; I'm just not happy about it :-) Sep 25 04:07:21 NCommander: sorry, but you either have to be happy about Google upholding their copyright, or you can't be unhappy when a company disregards the GPL. You can't have it both ways. Sep 25 04:07:37 rwhitby, well, if one has a split personality ;-) Sep 25 04:07:40 * NCommander runs from the bad joke Sep 25 04:09:39 NCommander: that's why we at webos-internals are so diligent about copyright infringement. We cannot be taken seriously if we are hypocritical about that. Sep 25 04:10:29 rwhitby, of course. I completely understand respecting copyright. But there were other choices beside a C&D as an opening move Sep 25 04:10:31 hmm OK, so I know what's going on Sep 25 04:11:11 rwhitby, I added a new patch to the gitorious repo, but the autobuilder doesn't ever re-clone the git repo since it doesn't think anything needs to be done Sep 25 04:11:14 NCommander: there probably aren't actually. A C&D is about the gentlest thing a company can do as a first step. Sep 25 04:11:27 egaudet: yeah, that's why we need to checkout from tags. Sep 25 04:11:29 so the only way around that is tagging modifications.git ? Sep 25 04:11:53 egaudet: I'd say so. then put the tag in common.mk to start with, and move to individual tags later. Sep 25 04:12:25 ok, I'll do that. Deal with individual tagging later sounds fine Sep 25 04:12:30 NCommander: e.g. if ever there was any copyright problems in webos-internals stuff, I'd hope to get a C&D quickly, so it can be easily resolved. Sep 25 04:12:43 rwhitby, most times when there isa GPL violation, there usually is a message asking for compliance before an author is going to fire off a C&D. As we are either Google, or the modders, we can only speculate on this Sep 25 04:13:30 NCommander: a company can't send a polity non-legal letter to someone who is blatently infringing copyright, since to do so would lessen their position if it needed to be taken to court. Sep 25 04:13:40 s/polity/polite/ Sep 25 04:13:41 rwhitby meant: NCommander: a company can't send a polite non-legal letter to someone who is blatently infringing copyright, since to do so would lessen their position if it needed to be taken to court. Sep 25 04:14:03 A C&D is the "polite" first step. A summons is the impolite first step. Sep 25 04:14:43 rwhitby, I'm not a lawyer, so I'll take your word for it Sep 25 04:14:59 NCommander: neither am I, so you shouldn't :-) Sep 25 04:15:23 rwhitby, heh ;-) Sep 25 04:16:12 rwhitby, I'll watch the situation for now, but I'll probably pick up a webos device based on what I've learned tonight :-) Sep 25 04:19:10 NCommander: for example, I'm working on http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=summary which is a tool to customise the webos doctor Sep 25 04:22:04 rwhitby: call it dalek, since it's designed to capture the doctor and rearrange its parts. oh, except they probably wouldn't put him back together in one piece. Sep 25 04:22:09 :P Sep 25 04:22:56 I could call it BBC - keeps changing the doctor ... Sep 25 04:23:47 destinal, yay, doctor who reference! Sep 25 04:24:14 * oil likes that show Sep 25 04:24:28 I think I'll stick with meta-doctor Sep 25 04:24:31 i hope the new doctor is as good as the current one Sep 25 04:24:38 that will be a hard act to follow Sep 25 04:24:42 even the doctor is kind of meta-doctor Sep 25 04:24:45 so that's cool Sep 25 04:25:18 next step for meta-doctor is make reflashing the modem optional, and allowing different partition sizes. Sep 25 04:26:15 rwhitby: other hardware worth making flashing optional on would be touchscreen at least, maybe others -- I don't know if it reflashes anything else. Sep 25 04:26:27 destinal: yep Sep 25 04:26:43 in any case deactivating reflashing of those would make it a lot less scary to try testing different images Sep 25 04:27:13 im guessing here (http://twitter.com/palm/statuses/4360808371) palm is referring about people asking them if 1.2 is supposed to be out today? Sep 25 04:28:16 but, "we don't respond" is in and of itself, a response, is it not? ;) Sep 25 04:28:59 lol, yeah Sep 25 04:29:03 lol Sep 25 04:29:09 anyway, sleepy times. night Sep 25 04:29:12 * gkatsev -> sleep Sep 25 04:29:27 (im tweeting that before hand though) Sep 25 04:30:12 http://twitter.com/akumu/statuses/4360992222 Sep 25 04:30:18 and now im actually gone Sep 25 04:31:22 gkatsev: heh Sep 25 04:31:58 jason you in here? Sep 25 04:34:55 jason comes into webos-internals? Sep 25 04:36:47 I think Ive seen him once Sep 25 04:37:15 comments? http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/203951-webos-quick-install-contd-58.html#post1918074 Sep 25 04:40:11 rwhitby: wow Sep 25 04:43:19 greg_roll: good thing he didn't write such a thing to me :-) Sep 25 04:43:35 rwhitby: interesting. hard to say just on one side of an apparent disagreement but I didn't realize that QI was written for the emulator alone. This guy sounds like a jerk though Sep 25 04:44:23 s/written for/developed against/ Sep 25 04:44:23 destinal meant: rwhitby: interesting. hard to say just on one side of an apparent disagreement but I didn't realize that QI was developed against the emulator alone. This guy sounds like a jerk though Sep 25 04:44:40 destinal: the guy does have a point about appropriate safe-guards and care when dealing with aunt minnie. I'd love to see a discussion between that guy and PuffTheMagic ;-) Sep 25 04:45:03 rwhitby: i agree, its all homebrew. People homebrew at their own risk. Especially when all homebrew is considered beta Sep 25 04:45:24 there is a reason why im getting my MSN messenger plugin tested very slowly as it replaces a few OS files Sep 25 04:46:12 the biggest thing is there's a balance that lies between releasing something blatantly unstable / unsafe and never releasing anything at all. I think from terminal that I stand more on the bleeding edge side of the balance, but label such stuff "alpha" Sep 25 04:46:23 open source video cam service from Jason: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1918948#post1919161 Sep 25 04:48:17 rwhitby: awesome Sep 25 04:48:32 now considering he is working off emulator to write a hardware based service is very cool! Sep 25 04:48:46 it's java right Sep 25 04:48:56 lol Sep 25 04:49:35 gonna have to get him some Pre testers and a mojo app Sep 25 04:49:57 eh, java wrapper for shell scripts Sep 25 04:50:01 wonder why it took so long for someone to jump on that, aside from cpcrook disapperaing Sep 25 04:50:05 disappearing* Sep 25 04:50:52 cool that he did something, but that's kind of ugly Sep 25 04:52:04 at least now people will stop asking about video recording Sep 25 04:52:17 greg_roll you have an MSN messenger plugin that works? Sep 25 04:52:24 which imho, seems useless on a phone Sep 25 04:52:52 The cam service doesnt work yet, but, hes repacking a working one Sep 25 04:53:07 yeah, i read that in the linked thread... Sep 25 04:53:07 oil: sometimes when it's all you've got and you really have to take a video of the flying saucer overhead, it's good to have Sep 25 04:53:17 yeah but crappy video sucks Sep 25 04:53:31 its not all that bad of quality :) Sep 25 04:53:39 "see that black dot? dude! that as the UFO!" Sep 25 04:53:48 greg_roll do you actually have a working MSN messenger plugin? Sep 25 04:54:11 i guess if someone was about to do something really stupid i might whip it open Sep 25 04:54:53 though Sep 25 04:54:57 ive never had a phone that could record video Sep 25 04:55:01 so maybe i just dont know what im missing Sep 25 04:55:11 It comes in handy ;) Sep 25 04:55:30 yea you can capture classic moments even with bad quality vid too Sep 25 04:55:35 just need a little liquor :P Sep 25 04:55:53 lol Sep 25 04:56:25 does anyone know if greg_roll has an msn messenger plugin working? Sep 25 04:58:18 anyone at all? Sep 25 04:58:19 :P Sep 25 04:58:31 i dont know anything Sep 25 04:58:37 but i do think you should ask it a few more times Sep 25 04:59:01 so it's just a java wrapper calling a bunch of shell scripts Sep 25 04:59:56 I do kinda wanna ask some more Sep 25 05:00:14 this was the one feature I wanted most as this is how I communicate with most of my clients Sep 25 05:00:18 sadly.. Sep 25 05:00:19 :P Sep 25 05:00:46 SMKOUT333: not sure?? it works on the emu and im waiting for my testers to get back to me Sep 25 05:01:06 I would LOVE to test this for you as well Sep 25 05:01:23 thanks for the reply BTW Sep 25 05:01:31 lol Sep 25 05:01:43 dont let that stop you from asking a few more times xD Sep 25 05:06:25 What are the Pre req. to test this plugin for you greg_roll Sep 25 05:11:41 added categories to the patches, made a patch out of charcounter and sym-box-smiley, and fixed browser download patch Sep 25 05:11:55 Any one else want to alpha test? Sep 25 05:12:15 * oil makes patches go to group instead of list? Sep 25 05:12:52 You did the sym box smiley?? Sep 25 05:12:54 :D Sep 25 05:13:06 lots of people will be happy about that Sep 25 05:13:22 what else do you need tested egaudet Sep 25 05:13:35 and greg_roll any way I could test the MSN plugin? Sep 25 05:13:38 xD Sep 25 05:13:52 SMKOUT333: yep give me a few minutes im at work :) and ill PM you Sep 25 05:14:19 awesome, thanks Sep 25 05:14:21 lol Sep 25 05:14:23 just continued patch testing like you have been doing, different patch combinations and maybe some quick install tweaks or manual mods etc... see what breaks it, and make sure EPR fixes weird breaks Sep 25 05:14:25 I wasnt aware you were at work Sep 25 05:14:29 I apologize Sep 25 05:14:43 Ive been trying to break it Sep 25 05:14:47 Havent been able to Sep 25 05:14:51 :D Sep 25 05:15:02 some dont work and what not as I said earlier, but I havent been able to break it Sep 25 05:15:06 combos or indiv. Sep 25 05:15:10 :D Sep 25 05:15:52 categories are waiting for autobuilder? Sep 25 05:16:01 good good, the non-working things we can always update the patches with at some point to fix. I'm most worried about users being able to seemlessly install it Sep 25 05:16:42 oil, what do you mean? I put categories on all the currently autobuilt patches (0.1.4). Categories are just the package they touch like "Browser" or "Messaging" Sep 25 05:17:29 im just saying all i see is "category: webos patches" Sep 25 05:17:54 oil for the keyboard or for all of them? Sep 25 05:18:00