**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 28 02:59:57 2009 Sep 28 03:11:15 ugh I can't change this little dot Sep 28 03:12:08 Abyssul: suggeston: Sep 28 03:12:32 can you run some app with a text field in the emulator ? Sep 28 03:12:35 ~seen dexter Sep 28 03:12:37 dexter was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 58d 12h 1m 15s ago, saying: 'can iptables filter out RST packets?'. Sep 28 03:12:41 i dont get it Sep 28 03:12:46 if so, bring up the emulator, tell it to run the app as inspectable. Sep 28 03:12:52 the run the inspector Sep 28 03:12:59 I dont use the emulator Sep 28 03:12:59 then press the orange key Sep 28 03:13:19 and inspect the dom to see what the html is for the item, so you know where it comes from Sep 28 03:13:34 how do you press the orange key in the emulator? Sep 28 03:13:34 Abyssul: this is a case where you NEED to use the emulator to find the code in question Sep 28 03:14:45 ooh, i just found a new project to work on for the pre Sep 28 03:14:52 alt key is orange Sep 28 03:14:58 thanks Sep 28 03:15:00 http://fak3r.com/2009/09/14/howto-build-your-own-open-source-dropbox-clone/ Sep 28 03:16:19 anyone have any info on the msn/yahoo messenger plugin release? Sep 28 03:16:29 Very very soon Sep 28 03:16:38 Should have a public release tomorrow Sep 28 03:18:01 rboatright: I get "Disconnected. If you get disconnected as soon as you start Palm Inspector, make sure that the app is ready for inspection." Sep 28 03:18:18 I have the Flash Apps homebrew app open in the emulator Sep 28 03:21:40 what flash app? Sep 28 03:21:51 Flash Cards Sep 28 03:21:52 Sorry Sep 28 03:26:11 got it Sep 28 03:33:36 Thi inspector doesnt help Sep 28 03:34:33 so I wonder why palm left out some of the kernel modules needed for full cpu scaling Sep 28 03:34:41 they could save some serious battery life that way Sep 28 03:34:43 -.- Sep 28 03:36:06 Abyssul: gimme a minute Sep 28 03:36:08 Supposedly they said the upstart wasn't responsive enough and would detract from the user experience so much that it was just better to gloss over the battery issues Sep 28 03:36:46 I would agree with them, the upstart isn't definitely zippy enough, and the only thing scaling gets you is longer idle time, if you use y our phone regularly throughout the day whether scaling or not it still dies in roughly the same amount of time Sep 28 03:36:59 geist also said that they tried it and that it didn't actually help. Sep 28 03:37:15 :/ Sep 28 03:37:30 Still it would have been nice to have it as an option Sep 28 03:37:30 XD Sep 28 03:37:32 I got really long idle times out of my Pre when poking around with the scaling stuff, but I also didn't get notifications Sep 28 03:37:33 and he ought to know since he's the kernal lead on the palm team Sep 28 03:37:48 On my first pre, I got 3% per hour idle, but now I get 11% a hour Sep 28 03:37:53 It was running so slow that it apparently couldn't do anything I wanted it to do Sep 28 03:37:54 (on my second pre) Sep 28 03:37:57 ouch Sep 28 03:38:20 ouch Sep 28 03:38:21 yeah my biggest issue is battery life Sep 28 03:38:48 I can't cpu scale because it freeze my pre Sep 28 03:39:35 Abyssul: I'll have it in a moment Sep 28 03:39:49 Thanks Sep 28 03:40:07 I want to know how to use this thing. It might help with my theming process because I have other aspects that I cant figure out either Sep 28 03:40:14 I brought up the emulator Sep 28 03:40:33 I started simple big book using the palm-launch batch file with the inspect option Sep 28 03:40:38 I launched inspector Sep 28 03:42:23 Ok Sep 28 03:46:32 Hmm Sep 28 03:46:42 I just watched some videos and there was glitching Sep 28 03:46:43 :/ Sep 28 03:46:45 bummber Sep 28 03:46:49 bummer* Sep 28 03:46:58 webkit-focus-ring-color; Sep 28 03:47:39 todo: replace center led with rgb led, using left, right, center for r, g, b Sep 28 03:47:40 that seems out of my expertise :( Sep 28 03:47:56 rwhitby I wonder if there could be a way to make the pre scale down the cpu when the screen was off Sep 28 03:48:02 kind of like how it turns off wifi Sep 28 03:48:04 >.> Sep 28 03:48:18 that would increase the standby time without screwing up the UI Sep 28 03:48:30 There is Tilton Sep 28 03:48:39 how? Sep 28 03:48:40 Its in ClipCarl's CPU scaling script Sep 28 03:49:14 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/192181-stable-cpu-frequency-scaling-app-here.html Sep 28 03:49:35 (sorry, I know you guys hate precentral links :\) Sep 28 03:50:14 oil are GNU patch and diffstat supposed to show up in both Applications and linux applications categories in installed packages? Sep 28 03:51:48 Lol Abyssul Sep 28 03:51:52 Thanks for the link Sep 28 03:52:01 Does that help? Sep 28 03:53:57 yes Sep 28 03:54:11 anybody figure out how to take screenshots of the device screen yet?? Sep 28 03:57:47 get a camera? Sep 28 03:57:47 XD Sep 28 03:58:02 Tilton53: so no?? Sep 28 03:58:03 lol, just sad Sep 28 03:58:05 the device screen? Sep 28 03:58:09 yeah Sep 28 03:58:22 not the emulator Sep 28 03:58:33 on the pre? Sep 28 03:58:39 yes.. Sep 28 03:58:40 Orange + sym + p? Sep 28 03:58:43 the shortcut doesn't work? Sep 28 03:58:47 orange key + sym + p? Sep 28 03:58:54 mine does just fine most everyday Sep 28 03:59:03 * dBsooner shoots preWare. Sep 28 03:59:32 preware shoots back Sep 28 03:59:34 Nope Sep 28 03:59:37 hmmm.. Thanks Sep 28 03:59:42 it can't get past "Checking Version" Sep 28 03:59:45 to be able to shoot back Sep 28 03:59:48 reboot Sep 28 03:59:49 close/open Sep 28 03:59:54 i closed open like 10 times Sep 28 04:00:04 rebooting takies too dang long Sep 28 04:00:19 dBsooner try setting the preware settings to update feeds once a day Sep 28 04:00:35 does the ipkg service get installed to /var/usr/palm/applications/? Sep 28 04:00:40 Wee! Its to Updating now. Sep 28 04:00:41 I had issues with it trying to update everytime Sep 28 04:00:43 XD Sep 28 04:01:20 its because the service hangs on loading one of the feeds Sep 28 04:01:32 then it wont let any other requests in or whatever Sep 28 04:01:41 so it never responds to the first request, which is version check Sep 28 04:01:54 oil, its stuck on Updating now Sep 28 04:01:58 it finally passed checking version Sep 28 04:01:59 ;) Sep 28 04:02:31 one of the feeds could be down Sep 28 04:02:44 must b Sep 28 04:02:49 I "assume" you are working on an if routine for that? Sep 28 04:02:50 im stuck too Sep 28 04:03:26 it has to do with the service Sep 28 04:03:29 there is really nothing i can do Sep 28 04:03:41 which goes back to the big argument from earlier? Sep 28 04:03:47 no Sep 28 04:03:50 that was different Sep 28 04:04:18 oh Sep 28 04:05:36 basically, the service needs to know to time out when a feed is down Sep 28 04:05:38 but it doesnt Sep 28 04:10:22 it's pym Sep 28 04:14:01 Hello friends... Sep 28 04:14:57 Is anyone here? Sep 28 04:15:32 Hello Sep 28 04:15:35 huh Sep 28 04:15:45 I have a question if that is alright Sep 28 04:15:52 yeah sure Sep 28 04:16:38 I love webOS but am locked into an iPhone contract... Does it seem plausible to run (via a hack or something) webOS on the iPhone? - Dual boot iPhone OS and webOS Sep 28 04:17:34 it would be a pretty big hack.. and I dont know if anyone is even remotely working on it Sep 28 04:18:34 I know that people used to be working on running linux (the core of webOS) on the iPhone but that seems to have stopped. It seems like it would be awesome to me. As you know, webOS is open source so people should totally start working on it! :) Sep 28 04:19:48 webOS isnt opensource Sep 28 04:20:12 they use alot of opensource in it Sep 28 04:20:17 http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html Sep 28 04:20:19 What about that Sep 28 04:20:45 those are all the "various open source components used in webOS" Sep 28 04:21:03 but webOS ___itself_ isn't open source. Sep 28 04:21:04 Ah, so it would be pretty difficult Sep 28 04:21:11 specifically Luna isn't open source. Sep 28 04:21:23 it RUNS ON linux, but is not ITSELF a part of linux Sep 28 04:21:41 So how hard a project is it? rboatright: Do you knwo of anyone trying to port it to the iPhone? Sep 28 04:21:47 nope Sep 28 04:21:54 it would be a truely HUGE project Sep 28 04:21:57 Darn, it would be so cool! Sep 28 04:22:29 you would have to bascially start with the old PC version of webos that the earliest developers used that ran inside of safari Sep 28 04:22:38 but that is many revs out of date now Sep 28 04:22:56 it would be enormous. Similar say to porting Windows Mobile to the iphone. Sep 28 04:23:32 rboatright: there is a project for that??? Sep 28 04:23:43 no Sep 28 04:23:49 rboatright: you are right, but wouldn't it be easier since WebOS has some open source components Sep 28 04:23:50 oh.. good Sep 28 04:24:02 ComeAgain: not really. Sep 28 04:24:19 LunaSysMgr is non-trival and no ssource exits. Sep 28 04:24:53 What is that? Sep 28 04:25:19 it's the core of webOS Sep 28 04:25:54 What about making something so that it would run? Like VMWare Fusion? Sep 28 04:26:00 If that makes any sense... Sep 28 04:32:23 it's a binary Sep 28 04:32:38 we have two versions. ARM and x86 Sep 28 04:32:56 ComeAgain: bascially the answer is "no" Sep 28 04:36:12 uhh so I'm in preware looking at screenshots of the l4d theme, scrolling the screenshots and then luna restarts... Sep 28 04:36:13 wtf Sep 28 04:37:12 doesnt here Sep 28 04:42:57 it was weird i dunno Sep 28 04:43:14 well Sep 28 04:43:26 i have a feeling like 900 people are going to ask why it wont stop loading Sep 28 04:43:27 thanks puff Sep 28 04:43:52 Mind if I spam about 8 lines real quick? :D Sep 28 04:44:10 pastebin Sep 28 04:44:14 k Sep 28 04:47:25 http://webos.pastebin.com/d593aa510 Sep 28 04:47:56 http://webos.pastebin.com/d57395d14 Sep 28 04:48:06 first is to relocate apps Sep 28 04:48:11 second is to restore them Sep 28 04:52:49 ? Sep 28 04:53:01 I was bored Sep 28 04:53:15 I made a shell script to quickly get rid of my apps dir so I can use App Cat Sep 28 04:53:20 then put it back when I am done Sep 28 04:54:03 saving terminal so you can run it from your pre Sep 28 04:54:08 yep Sep 28 04:54:44 nice just make sure you don't get too close to the /var space limit Sep 28 04:55:08 yeah I got plenty of room Sep 28 04:55:14 i am finished using it now Sep 28 04:55:21 and I still ahve like 60 megs free Sep 28 04:55:41 err 106 emgs free Sep 28 04:55:54 how? Sep 28 04:56:01 what do you mean? Sep 28 04:56:03 oh yea nm Sep 28 04:56:05 it's late Sep 28 04:56:07 lol Sep 28 04:56:08 lol Sep 28 04:56:23 I THOUGhT about making that shellscript a service Sep 28 04:56:31 with a UI frontend Sep 28 04:56:43 but if my contact was correct, it won't be needed "soon" Sep 28 04:58:31 egaudet, are the *.patches.* dirs supposed to stay if they aren't installed? Sep 28 04:59:10 root@castle:/var/usr/palm/applications# ls -l org.webosinternals.patches.* Sep 28 04:59:10 org.webosinternals.patches.charcounter: Sep 28 04:59:10 org.webosinternals.patches.message-forwarding: Sep 28 04:59:10 root@castle:/var/usr/palm/applications# Sep 28 04:59:35 oohhh, charcounter :) hehe Sep 28 04:59:58 i guess someone put that in the git repo Sep 28 05:00:29 is one of the darn repo's down again? Sep 28 05:00:33 or still* Sep 28 05:00:45 HattCzech, yea I did Sep 28 05:00:45 beats me Sep 28 05:00:59 dBsooner, preyourmind is down Sep 28 05:01:12 * dBsooner goes to temporarily mv preyourmind.conf Sep 28 05:01:13 ahh, thanks egaudet Sep 28 05:01:26 and it's getting auto packaged with the rest of them Sep 28 05:01:43 0.1.11? Sep 28 05:02:05 I'm trying to get all the patches around into ipk's, got like what 45-50 right now Sep 28 05:02:11 yea dBsooner, icons Sep 28 05:02:16 nice Sep 28 05:02:48 hmm.. "mv preyourmind.conf preyourmind.conf.bak" and now Preware is stuck on "Checking version" Sep 28 05:03:05 sigh Sep 28 05:03:21 blah.. I'll just ipkg -o /var install blah Sep 28 05:03:30 or wait 5 minutes Sep 28 05:03:30 wait, there it goes Sep 28 05:03:35 or reboot your phone Sep 28 05:03:38 NO Sep 28 05:03:41 reboot takes too long Sep 28 05:03:44 then stfu about it Sep 28 05:03:44 come oil it Sep 28 05:04:02 * dBsooner cries cuz oil is mean. Sep 28 05:04:56 hehe Sep 28 05:07:28 egaudet: more icons per row = broke Sep 28 05:07:43 broke as in Sep 28 05:08:14 idk whats up with pym, i cant ssh into it.... its at mannheim university so its not like i can check it physically Sep 28 05:08:36 Puff? Sep 28 05:08:51 failed: /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.patches.more-icons-per-row/more-icons-per-row.patch: No such file or direcfory Sep 28 05:09:29 then fail on line 19 of postinst Sep 28 05:09:29 because it can't find taht patch file Sep 28 05:09:41 because it doesn't exist Sep 28 05:09:49 because i gotta find out now Sep 28 05:10:06 that's like my main patch Sep 28 05:10:09 4x4 Sep 28 05:10:10 :D Sep 28 05:15:46 so these patches install.. but don't work. Sep 28 05:15:46 ;) Sep 28 05:18:43 yep, egaudet. They install great though. No errors. But none have worked so far. Sep 28 05:18:59 how can I change the dimensions of the emulator to see how things look for the pixi? Sep 28 05:19:16 dBsooner, none will work until a luna restart Sep 28 05:19:20 duh Sep 28 05:19:21 I knew that Sep 28 05:19:22 lol Sep 28 05:19:25 I just thought of that Sep 28 05:19:57 I also have to create a 4x4 patch as well, I think add_more_icons patch is the 5x4 one. I think it is Decimation's Sep 28 05:20:01 initctl stop/start the best? Sep 28 05:20:10 i might like 5x4 Sep 28 05:20:27 I have only used 4x4.. so 5x4 might be better. Sep 28 05:20:42 Can you push that patch before I restart luna? Sep 28 05:27:04 egaudet: patch file missing from capture-with-volume-keys too Sep 28 05:27:41 I'm having an issue removing an old version of the virtual keyboard. Sep 28 05:27:44 there's a few that are like that and shold be fixed .12 Sep 28 05:28:05 which you'll push....? Sep 28 05:28:20 which will be autobuilt on schedule Sep 28 05:28:28 every 15th minute Sep 28 05:28:28 getting the error removing [4] code Sep 28 05:28:36 what installer? Sep 28 05:28:50 egaudet: when does the TI go through? Sep 28 05:28:59 TI? Sep 28 05:29:05 the autobuild thingy Sep 28 05:29:24 every 15 minutes Sep 28 05:29:30 ahh Sep 28 05:30:03 mikegodz, what installer Sep 28 05:30:27 I'm pretty new with all this... Sep 28 05:30:38 what program are you using to remove it? Sep 28 05:30:39 I was using preware Sep 28 05:30:40 Preware? Sep 28 05:30:48 tap of view log Sep 28 05:31:06 just a sec Sep 28 05:31:30 pym is back up Sep 28 05:31:47 cool, thanks, restoring the conf Sep 28 05:32:28 the ipk log? Sep 28 05:32:34 yes Sep 28 05:32:53 "no log" Sep 28 05:33:10 nice.. egaudet, your up. :D Sep 28 05:33:48 ? no log ? Sep 28 05:33:55 view the log right after you get teh error Sep 28 05:34:08 if you navigate away then then return itl be blank Sep 28 05:34:53 gotcha: confirm: no output, unlock: no output, prerm: no output Sep 28 05:35:07 at the bottom Sep 28 05:35:08 is failure Sep 28 05:35:11 or Fail: Sep 28 05:35:24 what's it say under those. Particularly in red. Sep 28 05:36:20 egaudet: make that autobuild go faster. :) Sep 28 05:36:21 no md5sums.patched file!? Sep 28 05:37:06 How did you originally install the keyboard? Sep 28 05:37:12 preware Sep 28 05:37:39 when Sep 28 05:37:55 I installed an update last week. Sep 28 05:38:06 what do you mean "installed an update" Sep 28 05:38:31 removed the old version and put in the new version with preware Sep 28 05:38:50 k Sep 28 05:39:22 I tried to do the same with the current update but got the error file when I tried removing it. Sep 28 05:39:45 do you have access to linux? Sep 28 05:40:13 egaudet means via SSH to the pre or via Terminal App on the pre. Sep 28 05:40:43 I've got a terminal up on my mac and got as far as the root@castle:/# but I don't know where to go from there. Sep 28 05:40:43 Wish we had a "List everything" options where you could still filter on category, too many themes :( Sep 28 05:41:34 ooh, someone made a mario theme, this will go good with my mario coin notification sound, and then mario 1up calendar alert Sep 28 05:41:35 mikegodz, good that's what we need Sep 28 05:41:49 from root@castle:/# I want you to type the following Sep 28 05:42:02 ls /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard/ Sep 28 05:42:08 and tell me the output Sep 28 05:43:17 just the root@castle:/# prompt again Sep 28 05:43:50 ls /var/usr/palm/applications/ Sep 28 05:44:39 another feed down? Sep 28 05:45:03 no Sep 28 05:45:26 k Sep 28 05:45:37 preyourmind is actually back up Sep 28 05:45:41 org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard shows up, but I got an error Sep 28 05:45:55 ? Sep 28 05:46:02 novacomd socket was closed prematurely Sep 28 05:46:37 go back in, don't know why that happened Sep 28 05:47:01 Ok I'm back Sep 28 05:47:26 ls -la /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard/ Sep 28 05:47:54 drwxr-sr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 27 08:28 . drwxr-sr-x 37 root root 4096 Sep 27 10:58 .. Sep 28 05:48:22 after you installed the keyboard successfully the last time, you haven't done anything else with it? Sep 28 05:48:28 just remove that directory and install it again? Sep 28 05:48:33 no Sep 28 05:48:36 dang Sep 28 05:48:37 the directory is empty Sep 28 05:48:52 r5ight, so couldn't you just install it again? Sep 28 05:48:53 mikegodz, preware is showing the keyboard as installed? Sep 28 05:49:00 not if preware thinks it's installed Sep 28 05:49:16 Yeah. I can't figure that out. Sep 28 05:49:25 right, is it just basing if off that directory being there? Sep 28 05:49:33 It won't load and I can't remove it Sep 28 05:49:40 mikegodz, type the following Sep 28 05:49:40 because If i move a directory out of apps, preware doesn't think that app is installed anymore Sep 28 05:49:55 md5sum /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js Sep 28 05:50:36 This is what I get: 0e5cbf40b9d2f9856600169cc690200e /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js Sep 28 05:50:43 ok that's good Sep 28 05:50:56 rm -rf /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard/ Sep 28 05:51:14 ok Sep 28 05:51:18 and then restart preware and see if it still shows as installed Sep 28 05:51:26 * dBsooner hopes it doesn't. :D Sep 28 05:52:29 still only gives me the remove option. Sep 28 05:52:56 wait.. egaudet.. that won't remove thed ir Sep 28 05:53:00 the dir* Sep 28 05:53:09 yea it will Sep 28 05:53:28 you sure? Sep 28 05:53:31 yea Sep 28 05:53:39 oil Sep 28 05:53:45 you put that trailing / on there Sep 28 05:53:50 doesn't matter Sep 28 05:53:53 that ould only remove stuff inside the dir Sep 28 05:53:58 no Sep 28 05:54:03 ok Sep 28 05:54:09 rm -rf dir/* would remove stuff in the dir Sep 28 05:54:12 and leave the dir Sep 28 05:54:19 btw, 0.1.12 fixes Sep 28 05:54:22 rm -rf dir and rm -rf dir/ will behave same Sep 28 05:54:50 mikegodz, what version of preware Sep 28 05:55:12 we need to add a restart luna option to the preware menu Sep 28 05:55:28 I just downloaded v.0.9.0 today Sep 28 05:56:10 type this command into terminal: Sep 28 05:56:19 ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard Sep 28 05:56:24 anyone with 091 installed have problems? Sep 28 05:56:29 * oil is thinking about releasing it Sep 28 05:56:33 I have no problems Sep 28 05:56:40 ok Sep 28 05:56:41 it actually fixed some problems Sep 28 05:56:52 like packages not showing as "out of date" Sep 28 05:57:06 Removing package org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard from root... (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.prerm) Sep 28 05:57:13 sweet Sep 28 05:57:21 mikegodz, now try to install it with preware Sep 28 05:57:23 now you'll be able to restart preware Sep 28 05:57:30 egaudet is da bomb Sep 28 05:57:38 Hrmm Sep 28 05:57:43 * dBsooner is old Sep 28 05:58:03 egaudet: If you email me how to port the patches, I can give you hand. Sep 28 05:58:07 I would like to have the 4x4. :D Sep 28 05:58:26 installing... Sep 28 05:58:42 you have a couple of options of generating a patch, you can manage it right on your pre following the wiki. Sep 28 05:58:56 Personally I like using git Sep 28 05:59:17 well, I wanted to do it the way tou do so i can just hand you the patch Sep 28 05:59:26 I extracted the doctor image and made a git repo for base 1.1.0 Sep 28 05:59:27 and you can look it over and send er off Sep 28 05:59:44 i tagged the repo with v1.1.0 Sep 28 06:00:15 and then I modify stuff there, and do "git diff -b > name.patch" Sep 28 06:00:58 for the keyboard I actually commit changes to my git tree because that's a longer term development project Sep 28 06:01:06 works great! thanks egaudet. there's no way I could have figured this one out anytime soon. Sep 28 06:01:30 I have no idea how you got into that state, but I'm glad I could help Sep 28 06:02:04 egaudet Sep 28 06:02:19 I have the .patch files WOQI uses Sep 28 06:02:21 question about the keyboard. the old version allowed for a left swipe to remove it from the screen. the new version doesn't seem to. Sep 28 06:02:28 how do I get it off? Sep 28 06:02:37 tap the gesture once Sep 28 06:02:39 tap Sep 28 06:03:18 alright. now I know it's time for bed. thanks again. Sep 28 06:04:02 I found a bug in the keyboard that doesn't remove the keyboard when you tap if you change text fields from whichever you were in when you called it Sep 28 06:04:22 'll track it down another time Sep 28 06:04:42 I encounter that bug a lot, so I just stopped trying to switch text fields in the background Sep 28 06:04:51 dBsooner, .patch files are all we need Sep 28 06:05:20 eguadet: 4x4 icons: http://webos.pastebin.com/d39bb534 Sep 28 06:05:33 psykoz, go back to the original text field and then tap for now :( I'll fix it Sep 28 06:06:02 where do you get the patch files from wosqi Sep 28 06:06:14 shhh Sep 28 06:06:42 I only have the ones I isntalled Sep 28 06:06:55 creating you a pastebin Sep 28 06:07:12 if you give me a place to ftp these to, I can use ftpput on the pre to send teh patches off Sep 28 06:07:33 or I'll just grab them off myself and send them to you Sep 28 06:10:18 emoney_33@yahoo.com Sep 28 06:11:10 i'm gonna go to bed Sep 28 06:11:14 egaudet Sep 28 06:11:16 anything else before I take off Sep 28 06:11:18 http://webos.pastebin.com/d5cd17eb7 Sep 28 06:11:36 that should shwo you were the patches are located on the pre Sep 28 06:11:43 and it shows you what patch files I have. Sep 28 06:12:40 ill email them to you Sep 28 06:12:45 tar'd them up Sep 28 06:13:35 OK and yea I'm going to synchronize with Jason to see all of the patches he's already created rather than redoing the work. He's already offered to help, and I think he's said that QI will just keep the dynamic tweaks like ones that require user input for customization Sep 28 06:14:12 so its pointless for me to send these to you? Sep 28 06:14:17 and then all installers can just use the ipks and people can install/uninstall patches from whatever installer is their favorite Sep 28 06:14:53 yea dBsooner if I need them sooner I can always just throw up QI on my emulator or pre Sep 28 06:15:03 well damn you Sep 28 06:15:06 cuz I just sent them Sep 28 06:15:07 lol Sep 28 06:15:11 but if you want to, you can :P Sep 28 06:16:05 ok well I need some sleep, let me know of any other patch issues Sep 28 06:16:12 ok Sep 28 06:16:16 im about to crash too Sep 28 06:16:19 I'll play more tomorrow Sep 28 06:16:28 i installed like 20 and nothing has broken Sep 28 06:16:54 good good :D, good night Sep 28 09:21:53 greg Sep 28 09:22:04 hows it going man? Sep 28 09:23:40 SMKOUT333: very good ill have a new IPK shortly Sep 28 09:23:50 got the installer all good just tryingn to get facebook to work Sep 28 09:23:55 then i think its showtime :) Sep 28 09:26:57 Awesome! Sep 28 09:27:08 The .jar or the actual executable Sep 28 09:27:11 ? Sep 28 09:27:34 define your above shortly :P Sep 28 09:29:16 ummm the IPK that installs everything we did manually for you Sep 28 09:29:19 thats all good Sep 28 09:30:03 do you need a quick test again? Sep 28 09:30:06 :) Sep 28 09:37:27 dBsooner have you ever gotten that patch to work Sep 28 09:37:42 whoops, capture with volume keys Sep 28 09:40:29 sorry greg, I got disconnected somehow Sep 28 09:41:22 eta till new ipk? Sep 28 09:50:21 hola Sep 28 10:45:53 SMKOUT333: he hasn't responded since you were here last. Also, he just got back. Sep 28 10:46:07 greg_roll: SMKOUT333 is wondering on the eta on the new ipk. I'm relaying this message because I'm avoiding work Sep 28 10:46:24 very very shortly Sep 28 10:46:29 maybe the next 10 minutes :) Sep 28 10:46:38 :) Sep 28 10:46:41 what is the ipk of? Sep 28 10:47:58 messaging plugins :) Sep 28 10:48:21 :) Sep 28 10:48:33 I love the homebrew scene that's going on. Sep 28 10:48:40 What a fucking fun phone Sep 28 10:49:39 yeah its very cool!!! Sep 28 10:49:59 It's still a little young. But with 1.2 around the corner, it's clear Palm hasn't abandoned us yet Sep 28 10:52:17 yeah its looking good! Sep 28 10:52:21 if only i had one Sep 28 10:52:55 lol Sep 28 10:52:58 waiting for the gsm? Sep 28 10:53:26 I paid $600usd for mine and don't even resent the people paying $100 for theirs Sep 28 10:53:35 yeah Sep 28 10:54:04 I've already gotten $600 worth of fun out of it. There's so much networking you can do! Sep 28 10:55:30 I'm learning a bunch more Mojo too. :) Sep 28 10:56:46 yeah its a very cool phone Sep 28 10:56:52 i started looking at it for the challenge Sep 28 10:56:58 hense i made prebrew Sep 28 10:57:19 wtf? you just like learning for learning's sake? I can respect that. Sep 28 10:58:24 yeah plus i want the phone Sep 28 10:58:27 but i have to wait... Sep 28 10:59:01 are you in UK? Sep 28 10:59:07 nope, au Sep 28 10:59:15 too bad, I just read you can't use the phone to help you navigate Sep 28 10:59:21 wait, newzealand, nm Sep 28 11:00:36 yep im in AU Sep 28 11:00:46 and the diffence between pre and emu doesnt help Sep 28 11:01:12 there do seem to be a few Sep 28 11:01:42 I'm using virtualbox for dev on my couple hobby apps Sep 28 11:01:45 yeah i actually had to make messaging work on the emu so i could test my stuff Sep 28 11:01:59 is SMKOUT333 still about? Sep 28 11:03:33 he hasn't been disconnected.... Sep 28 11:04:49 cool ill try and PM him again Sep 28 11:05:04 (you could /whois SMKOUT333 ...) Sep 28 11:05:36 must be broken, hes been away 56 mins lol Sep 28 11:06:48 anyone want to test live,yahoo and ICQ plugins? I think its ready for primetime? Sep 28 11:06:50 it seems he's using Qwest, not Sprint, so it's his craapy irc client, not your messenger Sep 28 11:07:10 I literally don't have live or icq, and only use yahoo for a couple message boards... Sep 28 11:07:19 otherwise I'd probably help you out Sep 28 11:08:34 no worries at all might have to try tomorrow when more people are on Sep 28 11:21:27 wtf? I just keymashed like 12 keys (no idea which ones, some kind of coffee spasm) and vim sent something to my printer Sep 28 11:22:05 nice! lol Sep 28 11:24:23 it printed the part I was trying to backspace over... Sep 28 11:24:26 wtf did I hit? Sep 28 11:28:45 well i think im going to call it a night Sep 28 11:28:51 will speak to you later Sep 28 12:28:41 good morning everyone Sep 28 12:38:03 morning Sep 28 12:38:56 How goes it Rick Sep 28 12:39:08 just u and sipping first coffee Sep 28 12:39:13 up Sep 28 12:39:17 not going at all yet Sep 28 12:39:50 yep:) I'm at my dayjob working... or pretending to. Sep 28 13:30:22 egaudet: ping Sep 28 13:49:42 of too work bbl Sep 28 14:26:11 has anyone tried playing with android within a chrooted environment on the pre Sep 28 14:27:32 sampson it is on my todo list Sep 28 14:27:33 :) Sep 28 14:28:39 I sent it. A long lengthy email to get Komodo to be shown side-by-side next to eclipse as a officially supported Editor. Sep 28 14:29:43 i don't know all the requirements for android but from what i've been reading all the necessaries should exist in the pre' Sep 28 14:29:57 *pre's kernel so you should be able to continue with booting after modifying some init scripts Sep 28 14:30:32 Hear, hear! Komodo +webAdd-On rules Sep 28 14:31:35 Komodo FTW Sep 28 14:31:36 : Sep 28 14:31:36 :) Sep 28 14:52:41 Hey Sep 28 15:02:50 dBsooner, pong Sep 28 15:20:20 * PuffTheMagic just got NFS:Shift Sep 28 15:20:24 :D Sep 28 15:23:11 how is it Sep 28 15:23:11 ? Sep 28 15:23:23 still copying game data to HD Sep 28 15:23:28 looks more of a grand turismo game now Sep 28 15:23:37 i like the cops and shti Sep 28 15:23:47 the new gt still aint out Sep 28 15:23:49 i cant beleive it Sep 28 15:23:59 they have been working on it since before the ps3 came out Sep 28 15:24:09 lol Sep 28 15:24:10 i hear they contracted a dev team for each car Sep 28 15:24:15 out of house Sep 28 15:24:19 which is why its taking to long Sep 28 15:25:01 but yeah it does look sick Sep 28 15:25:08 im not gonna get any programming done now Sep 28 15:25:14 lol Sep 28 15:25:31 i havent bought a game for the ps3 in a while though Sep 28 15:25:46 the graphics on the new gt look sick Sep 28 15:25:52 yea i got the slim model Sep 28 15:26:00 waiting on the new COD to come out Sep 28 15:26:57 its been on 98now for 6 min Sep 28 15:27:10 wtf is it doing Sep 28 15:27:20 damn Sep 28 15:27:20 lol Sep 28 15:29:23 the gtr on GT5 is rediculous Sep 28 15:29:57 yay its loaded Sep 28 15:45:55 this shit is hard Sep 28 15:56:12 lol Sep 28 15:56:39 eguadet: ping, again. :D Sep 28 15:58:12 I'll go ahead and put it here, because I have to go back into a job real quick. I jus gtwanted to make sure you got my email. Sep 28 16:12:19 hey anyone ever have any issues with the light sensor not working? I seem to either be having an issue with either the phone speaker or the sensor not detecting and switching over to it Sep 28 16:14:28 proximity censor i should say Sep 28 16:19:18 no i didn't get your email Sep 28 16:22:01 lies Sep 28 16:22:06 check your spam folder egaudet Sep 28 16:23:28 nevermind @ my question, found a thread about it. Sep 28 16:23:49 punzada: proximity sensor Sep 28 16:26:47 Jason will be contributing the patches he has been maintaining today or tomorrow Sep 28 16:27:11 :( Sep 28 16:27:21 Can you PRETTY please add the 4x4 i sent you at least. Sep 28 16:27:31 I want to know I actually contributed. Sep 28 16:27:36 and I REALLY want to use it Sep 28 16:28:32 I won't be able to do it until tonight or tomorrow myself Sep 28 16:28:42 and you have contributed Sep 28 16:28:57 your feedback from testing has been extremely helpful Sep 28 16:29:41 * dBsooner cries because he has fat thumbs and 5x4 is too small. Sep 28 16:29:45 I'll be sure to let you know as soon as the 4x4 patch is in :D Sep 28 16:29:52 Can you tell me how I can make the IPKG on my own with the patch? Sep 28 16:30:12 and just install it on my own for now and uninstall it whenever your's is avail Sep 28 16:30:26 BTW, i thought of an idea to prevent incompatibles Sep 28 16:30:45 You can go over the build.git repo to see how they are being built and follow the Makefile mold Sep 28 16:30:54 I can go over that in more detail tonight (at work right now) Sep 28 16:30:55 k Sep 28 16:31:02 yeah, Im at work too Sep 28 16:31:05 also you could use QI tweak to get the functionality Sep 28 16:31:10 It would be at least 7-8pm central before I get hoem. Sep 28 16:31:17 and then remove the tweak and go to ipk when it's available Sep 28 16:31:31 today's monday, that means house, heroes and big bang ! Sep 28 16:31:44 I could just patch with quilt then remove it as well Sep 28 16:31:59 yea Sep 28 16:32:02 Anyway, my idea. Sep 28 16:32:11 You ever build roms for WinMO? Sep 28 16:32:21 you have the .patch so you can get in there whatever is easiest to you Sep 28 16:32:25 no Sep 28 16:32:29 I stay away from win* Sep 28 16:32:42 (in a life without Walls... who needs Windows!!) :P Sep 28 16:32:43 Ok, with WinMo we had a way of building roms with "package" Sep 28 16:32:50 s/package/packages/ Sep 28 16:33:06 we could link those packages Sep 28 16:33:22 dBsooner meant: Ok, with WinMo we had a way of building roms with "packages" Sep 28 16:33:23 so when the user selected ONE of the XX, it wouldn't allow you to pick any others Sep 28 16:33:47 what is XX Sep 28 16:33:57 could you make the ipkg have a variable that if one with the same variable was installed, it wouldn't allow it to be installed. Sep 28 16:34:02 One of # Sep 28 16:34:05 1 of 2 Sep 28 16:34:07 1 of 3 Sep 28 16:34:21 ipk handles conflicts, so known conflicts can be handled in the ipk metadata Sep 28 16:34:30 so if you had 5 different "themes", it would only allow you to select one. Sep 28 16:34:38 the problem with patches is there are so many differnet combinations it's hard to know ahead of time what conflicts Sep 28 16:35:00 I was simply thinking of for the 4x4 and 5x4 in particular Sep 28 16:35:10 when you have patches modifying the same space Sep 28 16:35:17 right well since the ipk are a install one at a time type thing Sep 28 16:35:56 Did you like my idea of adding a "restart luna" to the drop-down menu, or inside settings? Sep 28 16:36:03 you don't select multiple patches at a time. Also I can't go through every patch and parse the diff to find out all the conflicts dynamically Sep 28 16:36:23 it's one possibility, but I would rather see restart luna be a notification/dash item Sep 28 16:36:25 right, I didn't know if IPKG's had a metadeta header you could poll Sep 28 16:36:51 yea the metadata has conflicts and depends Sep 28 16:36:54 get info of all the packages looking for a certain flag in the metadata Sep 28 16:37:19 if (launcher-icon-num-flag=1) then ( exit 1) Sep 28 16:37:36 so if the ipk for 5x4 had conflicts with 4x4 in it then i believe ipkg/preware would let you know Sep 28 16:37:45 meaning, if when you did an ipkg list and if found a packagef with that flag set, it wouldn't install the one the user tried to install. Sep 28 16:37:49 but even if it doesn't have conflict, the patch will still fail to install if you have the other installed Sep 28 16:38:08 Right, I am just trying to think of a way to prevent that. Sep 28 16:38:16 prevent what? Sep 28 16:38:38 the user from seeing a failure Sep 28 16:38:49 what causes a user to come crying to the channel? failures Sep 28 16:39:04 if we can grab that failure before it happens, it prevents user confusion. Sep 28 16:39:06 I will throw a brick at a user that has 4x4 installed and tries to install 5x4 over it :P Sep 28 16:39:20 Sweet! Sep 28 16:39:25 Can I video record it? Sep 28 16:39:27 there's 5x4??? Sep 28 16:39:31 * Mousey tries to install over 4x4 Sep 28 16:39:39 i'm j/k, I understand your point, and oil could probably grey out conflicting packages or something Sep 28 16:39:44 Mousey yes.. butr if you have fat thumbs like me, it's not great. Sep 28 16:39:45 lol Sep 28 16:39:58 oh, i don't have thumbs, i'm just a mouse Sep 28 16:40:05 figures Sep 28 16:40:06 ok, i kinda have thumbs Sep 28 16:40:16 they are more like talons Sep 28 16:40:30 It's still going to be hard to track all the conflicts Sep 28 16:40:33 i like to think of them as expert systems for cheese handling Sep 28 16:40:35 anyone here an exchange person? Sep 28 16:40:54 the 4x4 - 5x4 is easy, but there will surely be other future conflicts that aren't picked up right away Sep 28 16:41:17 as we find them, we add a flag to them Sep 28 16:41:31 Unless someone here volunteers to install ALL tweaks Sep 28 16:41:37 * dBsooner points at his emulator at home. Sep 28 16:41:46 is there a betting pool for 1.2 this week? can i get in on some wednesday action? Sep 28 16:42:23 I bet it won't clear this week Sep 28 16:42:39 if so, I'll take wed as wedll Sep 28 16:42:47 err, if it does Sep 28 16:42:49 * punzada just ordered his 2600 battery :D Sep 28 16:42:53 but i bet it waits Sep 28 16:43:05 punzada: do they have a touchstone back for it yhet? Sep 28 16:43:12 nope Sep 28 16:43:19 * dBsooner shakes his head.. no love from me then. Sep 28 16:43:30 I just want an external battery only charger Sep 28 16:43:37 one I can keep a spare battery or two in Sep 28 16:43:40 i wish the touchstone worked with the USB->USB instead of just ->wall Sep 28 16:43:40 that would be nice as well Sep 28 16:43:53 not enough juice from a usb poirt Sep 28 16:44:00 yeah Sep 28 16:44:08 usb from a pc is very poor charging Sep 28 16:44:19 yeah.. I wouldn't charge anything from usb on pc Sep 28 16:44:22 I noticed from my last phone i couldn't even tether to a full extent on usb power Sep 28 16:44:26 I shy away from that at aall costs. Sep 28 16:44:29 it would drain more then charge Sep 28 16:44:41 that's why I wish there was a 4th option for the USB->PC connection with the Pre. Sep 28 16:44:44 DO nothing. Sep 28 16:44:45 :D Sep 28 16:44:50 had to keep it to minimal browsing, no heavy youtube Sep 28 16:45:16 dBsooner: some charging is better then none no? Sep 28 16:46:13 true. Sep 28 16:46:33 But some older laptops can cause bad sinewaves Sep 28 16:46:43 this is true Sep 28 16:46:45 kind of like DC-AC inverters Sep 28 16:47:18 ya know maybe you can make a patch for that ;) Sep 28 16:47:57 well, found my first hardwareish bug with my lil headphone problem earlier, I wonder is headphone detection handled by pulseaudio? Sep 28 16:48:16 heres one for ya, i got my phone in such a state that when i made calls, the speaker/mic didn't work. i could put it into speakerphone and it worked, but regular mode didn't work Sep 28 16:48:17 i rebooteded Sep 28 16:48:24 i blame PULSEAUDIO Sep 28 16:48:32 mousey --- i just had that problem Sep 28 16:48:36 but only the speaker, not hte mic Sep 28 16:48:38 the* Sep 28 16:48:43 call speaker, not external Sep 28 16:48:46 i see, so multiple modes Sep 28 16:48:50 of FAIL Sep 28 16:48:57 hey yall i am typing this on my pre from the gym, i am conected to my pc via remotewin over ssh Sep 28 16:49:01 mousey, call your voicemail and see if its going into headphone mode automatically Sep 28 16:49:06 next time that happens Sep 28 16:49:07 k Sep 28 16:49:30 nope, works Sep 28 16:49:33 oh Sep 28 16:49:34 ok Sep 28 16:49:35 joesmith: why not just use http://webchat.freenode.net/ ? Sep 28 16:49:42 if it is, blow into the headphone jack like an NES cartridge (seriously), or run a music app and unplug/replug headphones Sep 28 16:49:49 thats funny though, i first noticed the problem when i was calling my voicemail Sep 28 16:49:53 mine was caused due to excessive abuse yesterday of third party headphones Sep 28 16:50:13 bc i am doing some file managmwnt too Sep 28 16:50:20 punzada: there might be something to that, the headphone sensor switch getting stuck.. i do use headphones more recently Sep 28 16:50:22 some shavings in the port make it thinks its plugged in, causing insta-headphone mode, was scary i thought it was somethign serious Sep 28 16:50:59 i'm not sure it wasn't a software toggle gone wrong, since rebooting fixed it, and a short would survive a reboot Sep 28 16:51:10 ...and i've used headphones since with no bad Sep 28 16:51:12 yeah, a reboot didn't fix mine so yours might of been software Sep 28 16:51:55 and it happened literally two mins after i ordered my battery i was like 'of course, my phone has its first hardware problem as soon as i start buying upgrades' Sep 28 16:51:55 egaudet: something I am upset with? Sep 28 16:52:10 egaudet: Some of these themes aren't obeying GPL. Sep 28 16:52:34 as you mean in terms of copyrighted images and such? Sep 28 16:52:46 egaudet: They are sending the entire CSS/js FIles to REPLACE the css/js on the device. Instead of using a patch. Sep 28 16:53:00 This is causing the files they replace to lose the patch, if it had one. Sep 28 16:53:07 ah. Sep 28 16:53:17 so they are distributing copyright code Sep 28 16:55:04 wow everytime I check preware there is like 30+ more themes, people are really cranking them out. Sep 28 16:55:21 going to need to start catagorizing them soon Sep 28 16:56:09 i know.. and I am telling you they are getting more "advanced" with their app changes they are making Sep 28 16:56:21 like reformatting changes in the email/messaging css/js's Sep 28 16:56:36 and they aren't doing it with patches, rather whole file replacemtn. Which is a big no no. Sep 28 16:56:47 well yeah that is absolutely an issue Sep 28 16:57:15 and preware is the medium they are using to install them. That's the issue. Sep 28 16:57:16 palm has been fairly good with us poking around and supporting homebrew, no need to step on their toes if we don't have to Sep 28 17:00:22 I have no clue what is going on in the theme scene, but distributing modified palm files is a no Sep 28 17:01:54 they might be able to do themes as patches (binary diff images) Sep 28 17:01:55 i dunno Sep 28 17:04:16 but right now, they are distributing modified theme files Sep 28 17:04:22 I am 100% sure Sep 28 17:04:37 i mean modified palm files Sep 28 17:04:40 the js and css's Sep 28 17:04:42 a majority or just a few? Sep 28 17:04:51 I would say of the "latest" a majority Sep 28 17:05:02 any of them that change the Email or Messaging app's look Sep 28 17:05:10 they are doing it with replacing the entire css Sep 28 17:05:18 download one of them and look in the zip file Sep 28 17:05:42 Oh I believe it without even looking, it makes sense that would be the easiest way to do it. Sep 28 17:05:49 because i was asked trying to install one with WOQI, "This theme is attempting to replace a file that has had a patch applied, What would oyu like to do?" Sep 28 17:06:14 I was under the impression that themes were only image replacements, but if they are replacing CSS/js text files as well then that's not good Sep 28 17:06:15 key word there "REPLACE" Sep 28 17:06:34 they are REPALCING CSS/JS' Sep 28 17:06:36 which made my irate Sep 28 17:06:56 because If i had not have caught that, I would have been a world of hurt to get it all repaired.. because the patches were "installed" Sep 28 17:07:11 yea that's going to cause problems Sep 28 17:07:23 who runs prethemer? Sep 28 17:07:29 if a theme overwrites a patched file (thinking about the new ipk system here) then the only way back is EPR Sep 28 17:07:30 they just be using append etc on css/js files Sep 28 17:07:49 yep Sep 28 17:07:55 which is what they are doing Sep 28 17:07:58 What themes are replacing css and js files? Sep 28 17:08:06 the one I was going to install was the Red with black Sep 28 17:08:07 I though PreThemer was only images. Sep 28 17:08:13 prethemer is both Sep 28 17:08:15 I promise Sep 28 17:08:22 download the Red With Black zip Sep 28 17:08:29 Templarian, that's what I thought as well but apparently not according to db Sep 28 17:08:43 Just look, I have verified this. Sep 28 17:08:52 i'm not doubting you db Sep 28 17:08:54 Does their restore .ipk fix this? Sep 28 17:09:03 yes Sep 28 17:09:10 it renames the old as .bak Sep 28 17:09:17 then in the prerm it renames it back Sep 28 17:09:29 it renames it in the postinst Sep 28 17:09:34 and changes it back in the prerm Sep 28 17:09:42 They must just not be aware the horror this could cause to patches. Sep 28 17:09:47 so you'll have to look in the ipk's Sep 28 17:09:58 Absolute HORROR Sep 28 17:10:02 It really made me step back on the themes Sep 28 17:10:13 in fact, I downloaded the one I wanted and modified it NOT TO TOUCH css/js's Sep 28 17:11:37 And there's no reason say the messaging landscape patch shouldn't work with and be compatible with themes that modify the messaging look Sep 28 17:12:03 but they also shouldn't be distributing palm css/js Sep 28 17:13:22 so who do we talk to first about this Sep 28 17:14:03 dBsooner, are these prethemer themes that contain css/js? Sep 28 17:14:12 Eventually Palm will figure this out and kill Prethemer Sep 28 17:14:32 So probably best to contact Prethemer what they are doing isn't kosher. Sep 28 17:15:12 Who runs Prethemer he's probably on irc somewhere. Sep 28 17:15:17 AnOutsider Sep 28 17:15:37 he's around from time to time Sep 28 17:17:19 punzada: some modern PC's have high-current USB ports that can supply just as much power as palm's AC adapter Sep 28 17:18:25 re: themes, can anyone tell me why everyone is putting themselves through this much pain to make their pre's look pretty? Sep 28 17:18:51 Yea some of the gaming boards have the high-current usb's. USB3.0 will increase that even more. Sep 28 17:19:14 destinal_work: it's not really much pain. 1 click install and my Pre has a sexy L4D theme Sep 28 17:20:14 Just need to get the themes to do "patches" and not complete overwrites. Sep 28 17:22:21 it sounds like prethemer is/wants to be doing the "right" thing Sep 28 17:22:22 http://www.prethemer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31 Sep 28 17:22:46 I don't know what the precentral theme builder does either Sep 28 17:28:46 Templarian: patches ARE pain Sep 28 17:29:05 not anymore Sep 28 17:29:20 in a perfect world, they work fine, but whenever you get more than one at once that may possibly conflict, evilness abounds Sep 28 17:30:02 conflict in the sense of applying or functionality Sep 28 17:31:07 dBsooner, ping Sep 28 17:32:21 applying most of all. this community seems to be so in love with patching but the more I see of it the more breakage and carnage exists. saurik had a good point here, he mentioned that the main reason cydia and associated apps on the iphone were successful was that they worked hard to use duck punching techniques rather than try to modify stock applications or resources Sep 28 17:33:43 pong egaudet Sep 28 17:33:57 sorry, i had to go into a house to work Sep 28 17:35:52 destinal, with the ipks in autopatch, conflicts will fial to install and not mess up anything Sep 28 17:35:59 destinal_work: I'm on familure with that saying "duck punching techniques" Sep 28 17:35:59 it tries with --dry-run first Sep 28 17:36:01 egaudet: I READ TAHT Sep 28 17:36:12 egaudet: but he is still sending the entire css/js Sep 28 17:36:13 unfamilure** Sep 28 17:36:17 dBsooner, prethemer is not supplying css/js Sep 28 17:36:23 Look at the oklahoma sooner theme Sep 28 17:36:26 I downloaded the red black from prethemer.com Sep 28 17:36:27 Templarian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_punching Sep 28 17:36:29 what's he doing? Sep 28 17:36:31 and dont' see anything but images Sep 28 17:36:44 there is a "advanced" red black theme on precentral Sep 28 17:36:44 one sec Sep 28 17:36:45 i'll show you Sep 28 17:36:46 that might contain css/fjs Sep 28 17:36:51 hang on Sep 28 17:37:41 Oh that's the way that I was thinking to solve it, but it would still mess up if two files are effecting the same exact code. Sep 28 17:37:52 * dBsooner slaps his EVDOrA card in his laptop! come on buddy, you can do it! Sep 28 17:38:12 Templarian: if two are overwriting the exact same method / function, only one would be in effect, yes Sep 28 17:38:30 but it doesn't mean carnage Sep 28 17:38:34 Yea, but if it effects part of a patch it could cause the patch to explode. Sep 28 17:38:36 destinal, which is how it works now Sep 28 17:38:50 egaudet: you don't patch the files though Sep 28 17:38:55 (if it's well written it will just rhow an exception) Sep 28 17:38:58 it's done at runtime Sep 28 17:39:04 throw** Sep 28 17:39:32 I would rather it be done at compile time no? Sep 28 17:39:43 egaudet: no Sep 28 17:39:44 conflicts at runtime would cause more issues with users? Sep 28 17:40:07 egaudet: well dynamically on the device as opposed to modifying the files Sep 28 17:40:08 runtime would be harder to pinpoint the problem. Sep 28 17:40:23 we don't want to modify palm files if we don't have to Sep 28 17:40:28 (if a problem came up) Sep 28 17:40:45 it's messy and causes breakage, many times without a clean way to fix Sep 28 17:40:58 destinal, it doesn't cause breakage if done right Sep 28 17:41:20 here: http://www.prethemer.com/OU_Sooners-theme249.html Sep 28 17:41:22 all these hacks we're wrapping around it to try to make an unsafe thing safe miss the point that it IS unsafe Sep 28 17:41:24 look at that one Sep 28 17:41:27 it has css and js in it Sep 28 17:41:31 we'd also have to maintain every possible patch out there, because I don't think patch creators will know/want to do the duck punching Sep 28 17:41:51 egaudet: the problem it puts a lot of strain on Patch developers and Theme developers (and lets be obvious here theme developers have a higher chance of messing stuff up). Sep 28 17:41:57 it modifies the "Sprint" in top left to be "SOONERS" and changes the font color from white to red Sep 28 17:42:03 which is in a css and js file Sep 28 17:42:10 which is in the ipk Sep 28 17:42:12 destinal, its actually become really simple. try a dry-run, patch if successful, back up the original files and save the state of what files are backed up and what packages installed Sep 28 17:42:54 egaudet: still ugly Sep 28 17:43:06 you've got hacks, great Sep 28 17:43:25 you're less likely to cause issues in practice but you're still tramping all over various files Sep 28 17:44:25 I'll admit I don't know any of the technical details for duck punching, but what about the entire system of it. A user installs 4x4 and 5x4 patches, done by duck punching, they conflict at runtime what happens Sep 28 17:45:02 egaudet: the last version of an override is the one that takes effect. in practice, it may not even break Sep 28 17:45:29 destinal, what do you mean the last version? both modify the exact same thing Sep 28 17:45:36 so the 1st one is taken away and the 2nd one applied? Sep 28 17:45:41 A dry run wouldn't fix it as it's more likely that a theme will be installed after a patch since people switch out thems a lot. Sep 28 17:46:05 egaudet: first off, the technique doesn't apply to css Sep 28 17:46:24 egaudet: it applies to JS and the last version of the overridden method loaded would run Sep 28 17:46:26 Templarian, yea Sep 28 17:46:30 you're not touching files at all Sep 28 17:46:39 (except for whatever does the loading) Sep 28 17:47:07 destinal, so all the objects are just overridden at runtime Sep 28 17:47:09 there's no way to "conflict" since they don't touch the same thing Sep 28 17:47:23 egaudet: right Sep 28 17:47:45 and how do we get these into the loaded framework/app? Sep 28 17:48:11 egaudet: that's what we need to develop Sep 28 17:48:37 egaudet: i see you all are talking about something diff right now, but I wanted to make sure you got my link to one that has the css/js in it @ prethemer Sep 28 17:48:49 egaudet: there would probably be one common homebrew patch to the framework to facilitate the overriding Sep 28 17:48:51 And let's say there is a huge palm method, and we add one line to it somewhere in the middle, would we have to override the whole method (copying a lot of palm code) Sep 28 17:49:41 egaudet: that is a potential drawback Sep 28 17:49:44 dBsooner, is it in the ipk only adn not zip? Sep 28 17:49:51 i don't know Sep 28 17:49:53 egaudet: you'd have to rewrite the affected method Sep 28 17:49:56 I think it's in both Sep 28 17:50:01 i KNOW its in the ipk Sep 28 17:50:24 adn I am almost positive its in the ZIP too as that is what I was going to apply with QI Sep 28 17:51:07 what ist he path of the css/js ? Sep 28 17:51:12 im looking at the zip Sep 28 17:51:34 idk Sep 28 17:51:37 i don't have it in front of me Sep 28 17:51:44 give me 10 mins and I'll tell you Sep 28 17:51:48 (headed home for lunchj) Sep 28 17:52:33 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.application.messaging/ Sep 28 17:52:38 i think is where the css is Sep 28 17:52:56 not in the zip, i'll check the ipk Sep 28 17:54:38 and the js is in like systemui Sep 28 17:54:49 com.palm.application.systemui i think Sep 28 17:55:21 no css or js in the ipk Sep 28 17:55:26 bs Sep 28 17:55:29 it was there last night Sep 28 17:55:32 :D Sep 28 17:55:36 Home in 4 mins Sep 28 17:55:39 maybe you got the ipk from precentral Sep 28 17:55:39 i'll show ya Sep 28 17:55:45 no, that theme isn't on PC Sep 28 17:56:01 well i downloaded the ipk, and extracted it and searched for css and js Sep 28 17:57:10 we should totally have a #webos-themes so theming doesn't overwhelm this channel :P Sep 28 17:57:33 destinal_work: nah there are enough channels. Sep 28 17:57:44 destinal, so current patches would be supplied as .js files with overridden methods Sep 28 17:57:48 Plus there's no webos-internals questions if there were people would look at those. Sep 28 17:58:03 destinal, theming is only coming up now because of distributing css/js and messing with patches :P Sep 28 17:58:40 I don't know how it all works but those themes are installable by preware Sep 28 17:58:45 egaudet: yeah, some kind of method overriding js. I'm nowhere near a POC on it (I haven't really done the research and I'm far from a JS guru) Sep 28 17:59:15 there is some information on the wikipedia article that links to some javascript approaches to this Sep 28 17:59:44 they just create a .bak file in preware Sep 28 17:59:45 You can't simply overwrite the method it's going to cause the same problem. Sep 28 17:59:58 well we should definitely look into it if it's a cleaner and more manageable way to handle them Sep 28 17:59:58 then when you uninstall them they delete and rename the .bak back to .js Sep 28 18:00:29 definitely Sep 28 18:00:31 If only there was a way to detect when a specific function was called and write a hook. Sep 28 18:00:46 Templarian, good point. What if "patch A" overwrites method foo that depends on stock method bar Sep 28 18:00:49 Make the themes work more through a service. Sep 28 18:00:57 egaudet: agreed -- the number of conflicts will be proportionate to the number of patches available on the feeds, and over time the number will get much larger Sep 28 18:01:08 but patch B overwrites method bar and that causes WEIRD issues with patch A's foo changes Sep 28 18:01:41 i guess we have the same issue with patch so nevermind Sep 28 18:01:44 Yea, but with this method it won't overwrite everything that method "a" does. Sep 28 18:01:52 I disagree Sep 28 18:01:58 home now.. switching to home laptop Sep 28 18:02:08 so why do the themes need to overwrite js files Sep 28 18:02:09 any method override that makes "weird" destabilizing changes can be shunned Sep 28 18:02:09 to do what Sep 28 18:02:09 ? Sep 28 18:02:12 Yea, this is going to take some time... Sep 28 18:02:17 to change the pretty thing on the homescreen Sep 28 18:02:25 instead of "Sprint" Sep 28 18:02:34 destinal, yea but I meant that even with 2 non conflicting patches that is still a possibility so duck punching would be causing that to happen Sep 28 18:02:34 or change the color of the font on the titlebar on the homescreen Sep 28 18:02:38 was thinking outloud Sep 28 18:02:41 the carrier string Sep 28 18:02:45 yes Sep 28 18:02:54 hang on.. i don't want to miss anything Sep 28 18:02:55 :D Sep 28 18:02:57 k, the webosinternals terminal rocks Sep 28 18:03:02 I think Prethemer should code this in a way and just document it. Sep 28 18:03:03 I should have tried that weeks ago Sep 28 18:03:19 So that patch developers know what is possibly going to change. Sep 28 18:03:23 well if its isolated areas of files ereg and patch works wonders Sep 28 18:03:42 egaudet: right, but I think the percentage that destabilize each other will be dramatically fewer than the ones that conflict Sep 28 18:03:45 just make it as narrow as possible as to what code needs to be changed Sep 28 18:03:56 and we avoid the file patching conflict issues Sep 28 18:04:14 i agree, but also since it's overriding there won't be errors with conflicts and users will be like "I have this patch installed but it's not working" Sep 28 18:04:30 and we'd have to debug it to the point of "oh you have the other patch too, which overrides that functionality" Sep 28 18:04:45 egaudet: well, again, it's the fault of a specific override that causes problems with others Sep 28 18:04:57 destinal, not really Sep 28 18:04:57 one specific bad citizen Sep 28 18:05:19 4x4 and 5x4 patches are preferential and both would override the same thing Sep 28 18:05:32 that specific case (4x4 5x4) is obvious butthere may be non obvious ones to users Sep 28 18:05:36 egaudet: well, that's CSS, so you'd have to override JS to change it in the dom Sep 28 18:05:59 no idea how that would work offhand Sep 28 18:06:33 k, im here Sep 28 18:06:54 too bad there's no easy way to solve all this stuff other than having total app replacements Sep 28 18:07:20 destinal_work: total app replacements are last on the list. Sep 28 18:07:35 (also kind of illegal on many levels) Sep 28 18:07:40 Templarian: nah Sep 28 18:07:45 illegal? Sep 28 18:08:12 Yea, all those apps are copyrighted in one way or another. Sep 28 18:08:32 Templarian: it's not against copyright to replace something with something else you've written Sep 28 18:09:10 Yea, parts, but I think the whole redistributing the orginal source along side is. Isn't it. Sep 28 18:09:15 destinal, the 4x4 5x4 example is a general idea not specific css vs. js Sep 28 18:09:33 Templarian: I'm not talking about a patch Sep 28 18:09:37 Templarian: rewrite Sep 28 18:09:38 the point was that 2 "patches" can override the same function, both being perfectly legit and not doing anything wrong Sep 28 18:09:40 odd.. he is running sed's Sep 28 18:10:09 but there is still an issue with that: Sep 28 18:10:15 destinal_work: but I thought the point of the patches was so people could pick and choose the changes they want. Sep 28 18:10:19 I apply a MESSAGING app tweak Sep 28 18:10:25 it backs up my css as css.bak Sep 28 18:10:30 then I installa theme Sep 28 18:10:48 and then copies css to css.bak overwriting the original Sep 28 18:10:55 dBsooner, no Sep 28 18:10:59 theme uses .bak Sep 28 18:10:59 Templarian: think about if someone were to write a total replacement for the messaging app with configuration options for all the things that people currently tweak to get Sep 28 18:11:05 QI tweak uses .BACKUP Sep 28 18:11:11 patch ipk use .webosinternals.orig Sep 28 18:11:17 way cleaner Sep 28 18:11:29 destinal_work: then that would just be a new application, not a patch. Sep 28 18:11:30 ok.. still: Sep 28 18:11:41 destinal, yes 100% exactly best solution and I wanted that but it's a lot of work Sep 28 18:11:52 egaudet: I uninstall the TWEAK with the theme installed Sep 28 18:12:12 it would then copy it's backup over the themed css Sep 28 18:12:15 egaudet: right, it's definitely a huge amount of work, I agree Sep 28 18:12:22 thus whiping out the themed css Sep 28 18:12:22 destinal, but that total replacement for messaging app would include a ton of palm code if you JUST want to give the patch functionality optional in there Sep 28 18:12:26 but the them will still be installed Sep 28 18:12:41 dBsooner, the patch as ipk will not do it that way Sep 28 18:12:43 egaudet: ? Sep 28 18:13:04 oh yeah.. the patch will "unpatch" Sep 28 18:13:08 egaudet: right, I mean rewrite from scratch, it is a lot of work Sep 28 18:13:17 destinal, you talked about replacing the messaging app with a newer version that contains config options for things that are provided as patches right now? Sep 28 18:13:39 oh ok yea rewrite the app from scratch Sep 28 18:14:04 dBsooner, yea only EPR uses the backup files, in which case... Sep 28 18:14:11 yeah Sep 28 18:14:24 egaudet: might as well uninstall everything that modifies code if you use EPR Sep 28 18:14:25 ;) Sep 28 18:14:34 themes could always use the generic patching postinst/prerm which contains code to execute a postinst_extra and prerm_extra script Sep 28 18:14:39 except maybe VKB Sep 28 18:14:46 that the theme coould supply to overwrite images, and the css/js could use the patch system Sep 28 18:14:54 and then EPR would be able to clean up themes too :P Sep 28 18:15:00 that' KINDA how he does it now Sep 28 18:15:03 isntead if using a patch Sep 28 18:15:13 he is using a sed in postinst Sep 28 18:15:26 yea but EPR has no knowledge of it Sep 28 18:15:37 I know Sep 28 18:15:41 doesnt EPR check md5checksums? Sep 28 18:15:49 Honestly, thinking that a THEME can make changes like that scares me Sep 28 18:15:50 or just check for patches Sep 28 18:15:50 ? Sep 28 18:16:22 EPR checks the known patch control area for modified files Sep 28 18:16:27 oh ok Sep 28 18:16:29 gotcha Sep 28 18:16:50 verifies that the current file does NOT match the expected md5sum before overwriting (to keep OTA update compatible) Sep 28 18:18:42 so it checks to see if original file (.js, or whatever) certain area matches the MD5sum of that patch area and if it matches, then it copies the .webosinernals backup over the original? Sep 28 18:18:48 dBsooner, so how does precentral ipk handle it? Sep 28 18:18:56 let me go look Sep 28 18:19:40 dBsooner, it gets the md5sum from a file from /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.md5sums Sep 28 18:19:52 calculates the md5sum of the existing file (not backup) Sep 28 18:19:55 right.. but if the md5sum doens't match, it doens't restore Sep 28 18:20:09 if they match, the backup is wiped out Sep 28 18:20:18 if they don't the backup is moved over the existing one Sep 28 18:21:03 whats the precentral's theme feed? Sep 28 18:21:12 their downlaod page is just zip's Sep 28 18:21:15 and it's ugly Sep 28 18:21:44 http://www.precentral.net/webos-themes Sep 28 18:21:53 i know, they only havezip's there Sep 28 18:21:57 no ipks Sep 28 18:22:06 and they are teh entire css Sep 28 18:22:08 or js Sep 28 18:22:13 which is not good Sep 28 18:23:05 i'll email dieter/derek aboutg it Sep 28 18:23:44 k Sep 28 18:23:45 http://www.precentral.net/webos-themes/nightmare-christmas Sep 28 18:23:54 that one replaces many Sep 28 18:24:07 AND is using copyrighted images Sep 28 18:24:08 lol Sep 28 18:24:15 the TWEED image is right there Sep 28 18:25:37 lulz Sep 28 18:25:44 do these really replace carrier names with stupid things like that or is that just an example? Sep 28 18:26:18 it really does Sep 28 18:27:51 yep.. Sep 28 18:28:01 Just downloaded RedBlack_theme.zip Sep 28 18:28:08 it replaces all sorts of css's Sep 28 18:28:10 Yea, some people went overboard (it's not hard to change the carrier name through the luna-send though) Sep 28 18:28:12 and some js's Sep 28 18:28:27 but that wouldn't change the color Sep 28 18:28:55 he replaces /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/ Sep 28 18:29:00 4 css in there Sep 28 18:29:04 global.css? Sep 28 18:29:21 because that would cause all sorts of uninstall keyboard issues Sep 28 18:29:29 global-base, global-lists, global-menus, global-textfields Sep 28 18:30:20 going to cause a lot of hard to find problems when 1.2 comes out and people are still installing these themes Sep 28 18:30:36 i emailed derek and dieter Sep 28 18:30:43 asking them to get in cotnact with me asap Sep 28 18:30:46 anyone here speak german? Sep 28 18:31:55 egaudet: easy fix for me, I'll just never install themes :) Sep 28 18:31:59 iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii8uuuii9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999990--090 Sep 28 18:32:45 destinal, I probably won't either (but the prethemer ones are safer since he uses sed and not file replacement) Sep 28 18:34:09 not only are they violating palm's gpl, but mojo's too Sep 28 18:34:16 I'll talk with Jason about getting his theme builder to create .patch Sep 28 18:34:39 rather than zipping up non image files Sep 28 18:34:40 dBsooner: palm's copyright, you mean? Sep 28 18:34:46 si Sep 28 18:34:51 it's not gpl Sep 28 18:34:55 that's what I meant Sep 28 18:35:19 precentral is so full of copyright violations I'm amazed palm hasn't C&D'd them yet Sep 28 18:37:04 dieter, I am calling you Sep 28 18:37:05 lol Sep 28 18:38:05 but especially the theme files -- dBsooner, are you saying that the themes there have to overwrite entire files only (not patch) and many of the themes have slightly modified versions of copies of palm code? Sep 28 18:39:23 :O EPR on preware Sep 28 18:39:35 what's epr ? Sep 28 18:41:14 destinal, yes Sep 28 18:41:31 emergency patch recovery Sep 28 18:41:35 bpadalino, "emergency patch recovery" Sep 28 18:42:10 i'll change it if people don't like it, but I thought performing epr would be the next best thing before you visit the doctor :P Sep 28 18:42:57 egaudet: that's one thing I've thought of, it would be cool to write an app that allows you to reinstall any of the base palm packages via the update service Sep 28 18:43:22 so, you broke mojo? ok, just reinstall it. Sep 28 18:43:40 destinal, yes it would be nice to be able to just re-install stock palm apps like that Sep 28 18:44:08 well, apps are packages too so them as well, yes Sep 28 18:44:30 yea packages I meant :P Sep 28 18:47:37 I personally am excited for the restore-point stuff me and Puff were talking about Sep 28 18:48:42 egaudet: he had suggested making the whole system a local git repository, right? I'm a little hesitant, but it could be cool Sep 28 18:49:14 as for me, I'm happy with just managing packages Sep 28 18:49:32 Dieter is calling Jason. :D Sep 28 18:49:32 yea the plan is to make it a git repo and put the .git in /media/internal/ Sep 28 18:49:40 he said, "sounds ugly" Sep 28 18:49:55 I'll tell you more in a min Sep 28 18:50:07 I gotta go back to my van.. my boss just came here Sep 28 18:50:13 destinal, managing packages is good but let's say you get your pre into a state with a bunch of mods that you really like and is stable Sep 28 18:50:17 I gotta go back to work. I'll be back on dBsooner-work :D Sep 28 18:50:52 egaudet: I don't really do mods though, so meh Sep 28 18:51:14 no mods worthy at this point? Sep 28 18:51:28 egaudet: well, I'm happy with apps, plugins and services Sep 28 18:51:44 roam only control? Sep 28 18:51:55 landscape apps? Sep 28 18:52:17 egaudet: I've thought of it, but you brought up the point that then you have to maintain it :) Sep 28 18:52:22 and the more you get, the harder Sep 28 18:54:14 I haven't found anything I just absolutely have to have yet Sep 28 18:54:28 well use the autopatch feed and you won't have to maintain anything :P Sep 28 18:54:28 i just want my calendar on my homescreen Sep 28 18:54:37 that was the number 1 thing i loved about my Bold Sep 28 18:54:44 it showed stuff on the screen, upcoming events. Sep 28 18:55:10 and then i passed out on my couch and i woke up in the morning and my Bold turned on but 5 keys didn't work and it was impossible to use... Sep 28 18:55:15 and so began my journey with sprint. Sep 28 18:55:23 hooray for $125 ETFs Sep 28 19:10:00 i got class Sep 28 19:10:01 later guys Sep 28 19:19:32 Jason is supposed to be coming in here soon. Sep 28 19:19:47 I will probably be AFK as my boss and the safety officer are both here on this job with me. Sep 28 19:19:52 I;;l be back in a few. Sep 28 19:29:42 Has anyone here owned a Palm PDA running Palm OS (v 3.0 and up)? Sep 28 19:30:26 yup Sep 28 19:30:57 Okay did anyone ever purchase a program called JackFlash? Sep 28 19:31:38 lmorchard, did you? Sep 28 19:31:44 JackFlash? Sep 28 19:31:51 Hmm, I don't think I had that exact one, but I think I had something similar Sep 28 19:32:02 That edited ROM, right/ Sep 28 19:32:06 Looks familiar, so I might have had that Sep 28 19:32:11 Yeah, well the Flash ROM anyway Sep 28 19:32:18 and not the RAM Sep 28 19:32:31 Was it JackSprat? Sep 28 19:33:04 Do you still have the key, or full version of the program Sep 28 19:33:30 Hmm. I don't think so, this would have been almost 10 years ago I think Sep 28 19:33:54 Was it just some 3rd party utility? Sep 28 19:34:06 I am trying to get a hold of one of them. Sep 28 19:34:19 I want to put SecureX in the ROM of a Palm. Sep 28 19:34:22 Oh... I think it was FlashPro, which eventually turned into JackFlash Sep 28 19:34:28 Ok Sep 28 19:34:36 But I don't have it anymore for sure Sep 28 19:34:52 What about the serial/key? Sep 28 19:35:13 Nope, unless it's buried on a backup tape in a box somewhere in another state :) Sep 28 19:35:23 new webos just launched~ Sep 28 19:35:29 Sep 28 19:35:39 Crud Sep 28 19:36:00 I wanted to buy a license for JackFlash Sep 28 19:36:04 guess it's time to finally pop all my patches Sep 28 19:36:11 jackflash? as in brayers? Sep 28 19:36:16 Yessir Sep 28 19:36:18 damn that brings up memories Sep 28 19:36:23 It is gone Sep 28 19:36:32 yes, trg bought it many years ago Sep 28 19:36:35 I actually did find a trial version Sep 28 19:37:16 i probably have it somewhere Sep 28 19:37:18 wtf is jackflash Sep 28 19:37:25 although i might have to compile it Sep 28 19:37:34 Joesmith: ancient palmos software Sep 28 19:37:36 Joesmith: Old palmOS software Sep 28 19:37:46 Let you install your own stuff into leftover space in flash ROM Sep 28 19:37:53 If you don't know what it is you probably can't use it Sep 28 19:37:53 i preferred flashpro :) Sep 28 19:38:01 mikewx Sep 28 19:38:11 That would be awesome Sep 28 19:38:25 I would send you money Sep 28 19:38:29 i'll look tonight, but will require a few layers of dust to be blown off Sep 28 19:38:37 i don't have any ownership/stake in it Sep 28 19:38:44 No one does anymore Sep 28 19:38:47 i may have disposed of that era of my life Sep 28 19:39:07 that's just it, this should be open source, or at least frreeware. Sep 28 19:39:57 i used imagepro/flashpro for all my stuff, i liked how it worked betetr Sep 28 19:46:33 Is there a download link for the official WebOS Doctor 1.2? Sep 28 19:48:23 As far as i can tell, there are no listings of WebOS apps off of the App Catalog. Sep 28 19:49:17 1.2.0 is out? Sep 28 19:49:20 yep Sep 28 19:49:30 as of 3:30 eastern Sep 28 19:49:35 You would do well to search for it on google, and, if the developer has listed it's software on their website, you will be able to find info on whatever software it is you're looking for. Sep 28 19:49:49 Oh Sep 28 19:50:01 Im trying to find the 1.2 webos doctor because I want to install a fresh OS :) Sep 28 19:50:11 i dont think they updated the doctor yet Sep 28 19:50:16 Nevermind, I shut my mouth, you aren't a stranger to PalmOS Sep 28 19:50:19 Abyssul: if they've replaced the doctor image on the CDN it'll be the same URL Sep 28 19:50:20 :P Sep 28 19:50:31 Abyssul: otherwise there's no legal way to get it Sep 28 19:50:51 Whoops, WebOS* Sep 28 19:51:10 The current .jnlp file for webosdoctor is still dated as 7/24/09 Sep 28 19:51:17 not the JNLP Sep 28 19:51:22 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre_p100eww/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Sep 28 19:51:45 Well, you can probably educate me then, as I have been looking for a listing of WebOS software. Sep 28 19:51:45 I guess im downloading the whole thing :) Sep 28 19:51:48 See if it works Sep 28 19:51:53 Does one exist? Sep 28 19:52:06 Off of the App Catalog? Sep 28 19:52:06 well you can download the whole thing and md5sum it to see if it's any of the older versions Sep 28 19:52:11 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Sep 28 19:52:17 Where I find the MD5 sum? Sep 28 19:52:28 It will be done dling in 2 mins :) Sep 28 19:52:49 Abyssul: in linux run "md5sum", in windows, download md5sum.exe from a known trustworthy site Sep 28 19:52:58 ok Sep 28 19:53:27 I'm downloading it also but my work connection is slow Sep 28 19:53:39 I got 1000kbps lol Sep 28 19:53:40 it may still be 1.1.0, or not Sep 28 19:53:56 we will see :) Sep 28 19:55:01 1.1.0 is "fc602490fdd7b3be8c5f727349c6195f" Sep 28 19:55:46 why does precentral call it "1.2.1" Sep 28 19:55:54 Abyssul you're stealing all my bandwidth! :) Sep 28 19:56:09 sorry :( Sep 28 19:56:22 d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e Sep 28 19:56:49 that looks new Sep 28 19:56:52 nope Sep 28 19:56:54 its the same Sep 28 19:56:56 The file wasnt finished Sep 28 19:57:04 oh Sep 28 19:57:13 fc602490fdd7b3be8c5f727349c6195f Sep 28 19:57:23 yeah, 1.1.0 Sep 28 19:57:39 YEAH! 1.2 is 'available' Sep 28 19:57:49 officially Sep 28 19:57:55 We know :p Sep 28 19:58:00 As of 30 minutes ago Sep 28 19:58:07 sorry i'm slow ;) Sep 28 19:58:14 I have to wait until the webos doctor comes out Sep 28 19:58:22 Abyssul: why? Sep 28 19:58:23 I like a fresh OS :) Sep 28 19:58:29 makes sense Sep 28 19:58:31 My pre is SOOO modded you would not believe it Sep 28 19:58:33 Abyssul: you could doctor 1.1.0 and then update Sep 28 19:58:39 i plan to do the same thing Sep 28 19:58:42 Good idea destinal Sep 28 19:58:46 AFTER i update :) ahahah Sep 28 19:58:47 Thanks for that tip :) Sep 28 19:59:32 after i update and see what's broken, i plan to backup my data and wipe it Sep 28 20:00:06 hmmm, probably best to just backup my databases before the update Sep 28 20:00:20 Well, you can probably educate me then, as I have been looking for a listing of WebOS software. Sep 28 20:00:25 Does one exist? Sep 28 20:00:26 Off of the App Catalog? Sep 28 20:00:46 indeed one does Sep 28 20:00:55 Whar? Sep 28 20:01:19 PeePeeCeeCee! Sep 28 20:01:19 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware check that out Sep 28 20:01:23 oh Sep 28 20:01:25 ... Sep 28 20:01:26 ok Sep 28 20:01:55 Time for some doctoring! Sep 28 20:02:18 where's the location of the main db used for the pre Sep 28 20:02:20 ? Sep 28 20:03:37 Ugh... now I have to start my theme all over :) Sep 28 20:04:01 Abyssul: why would you have to start your theme over? did they rename some files? Sep 28 20:04:12 Most likely Sep 28 20:04:16 They didnt rename them Sep 28 20:04:22 but they will include different internals Sep 28 20:04:32 and I don't want to supply people with outdated files Sep 28 20:04:44 especially when they could cause potential problems Sep 28 20:04:51 true Sep 28 20:04:58 Btw, I use .css Sep 28 20:05:02 i can finally update my character counter for 1.2 (if needed) Sep 28 20:05:17 and then see if my git account works Sep 28 20:05:36 I wanna see cpu scaling and the works in this update :p Sep 28 20:06:29 Abyssul, you might also want to look into creating patches for the css/js files and not distributing palm files Sep 28 20:06:37 hahah, i doubt that will be in tehre Sep 28 20:06:44 s/tehre/there Sep 28 20:06:49 s/tehre/there/ Sep 28 20:06:50 HattCzech meant: s/there/there Sep 28 20:06:54 psssh, oh well Sep 28 20:07:25 Isn't recolored .pngs the same thing as "palm files"? Sep 28 20:07:40 Its essentially palm property, but modified Sep 28 20:07:40 is most of the stuff in a css file? is it that simple? Sep 28 20:07:50 or would you need to replace the files as well? Sep 28 20:08:05 Are you talking to me? Sep 28 20:08:12 anyone who knows :) Sep 28 20:08:21 Whats the question? Sep 28 20:08:45 for theming, could you have the files in one folder, and modify some CSS somewhere? Sep 28 20:08:55 or would you still need to replace the png files? Sep 28 20:09:15 The themeing process replaces the current. pngs and css files and makes backups Sep 28 20:09:29 the CSS method would make multiple themes easier Sep 28 20:09:45 that way you're never replacing the files, just pointing the CSS to various locations Sep 28 20:10:53 overwriting files is a bad idea Sep 28 20:11:32 agreed, so patching the CSS is awesome (if there is one) Sep 28 20:11:59 then theming consists of downloading files, and patching one css Sep 28 20:12:11 uninstalling is removing and unpatching Sep 28 20:12:14 many css Sep 28 20:12:16 and js Sep 28 20:12:18 switching is unpatching and patching again Sep 28 20:12:20 potentially Sep 28 20:12:22 damn Sep 28 20:12:33 okay, so not as simple as i'd like it to be :) Sep 28 20:12:48 but better than the current method of overwriting the pngs and making backups Sep 28 20:13:17 personally I think theming should use the ipk patching system that I'm doing, and then use extra postinst/prerm to overwrite/backup image files Sep 28 20:14:12 some images might need to be overwritten (for unique images etc..) so i'm fine with overwriting/backing up images Sep 28 20:14:17 how does the ipk method work? Sep 28 20:15:46 hey guys: if we have 1.1 and patches applied to it, if i upgrade to 1.2, will it break any of those patches? Sep 28 20:16:02 tlz: probably Sep 28 20:16:10 Guaranteed Sep 28 20:16:11 i'm about to test that if you want to wait :) Sep 28 20:16:19 lol sounds good Sep 28 20:16:21 Abyssul: not all will break :) Sep 28 20:16:28 just most Sep 28 20:16:30 only about 90% :p Sep 28 20:16:33 hahahaha Sep 28 20:16:37 can anyone paste the kernel version of the webos update? (output of uname -a) Sep 28 20:16:56 the only ones im really concerned about are the multiple app pages, and the timestamp stuff Sep 28 20:17:04 but i guess i'll see what you come back with lol Sep 28 20:17:26 epv: Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 Sep 28 20:17:36 yay thanks. Sep 28 20:17:47 tlz it depends what is updated in 1.2, so your patched files will either be overwritten or kept as is (and working) Sep 28 20:17:51 Actually - Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.23.1.1 armv7l GNU/Linux Sep 28 20:18:07 not sure if the rest of it is crucual Sep 28 20:18:14 nah, it's fine, thanks Sep 28 20:18:27 just wondering if they'd done a new build Sep 28 20:18:43 Hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to get something like greasemonkey user scripts hacked into the browser Sep 28 20:19:06 or even just user style sheets Sep 28 20:19:10 anyone know the main db name for messages and everything that palm uses? Sep 28 20:19:27 (and location)... my thought would be /var/palm/...? Sep 28 20:20:56 hattczech, I can't remember off hand but I just ended up doing find /var -name '*.db*' to list out all db's and connecting to them individually and then doing show schema or whatever the syntax was to list out allt ables Sep 28 20:21:00 tables* Sep 28 20:21:17 yeah, i think i wrote a shell script to copy them all a while back Sep 28 20:21:21 so i think i need to find that Sep 28 20:21:51 /usr/lib/luna Sep 28 20:21:55 and /var/lib/data Sep 28 20:22:10 thanks, egaudet Sep 28 20:22:13 sorry /var/luna/data Sep 28 20:23:00 okay Sep 28 20:25:24 1.2! woot ok so how bad will I screw my phone over if I just upgrade with all of my current tweaks? Sep 28 20:25:49 you'll loose your tweaks Sep 28 20:26:04 and you may have to wait a few days for peopel to figure out how to retweak Sep 28 20:26:22 unless you're one of those people who figure it out themselves, in which case you wouldn't have asked :) Sep 28 20:26:35 that's it? I don't have to worry about my phone not working properly and having to doctor it? Sep 28 20:26:45 not on a good day Sep 28 20:26:51 but as with any early adopter...... Sep 28 20:28:11 dBsooner, I'm going to install every single patch that will apply before updating to 1.2 tonight and then run EPR and see how it goes Sep 28 20:29:19 hrmm updating now Sep 28 20:29:33 same here Sep 28 20:35:08 So my phone is being weird the download started, but it lost connection part way through. Sep 28 20:35:16 (I have full bars) Sep 28 20:38:36 How are your updates going? Sep 28 20:38:57 * oil is removing patches right nao Sep 28 20:39:09 installing now Sep 28 20:39:26 backing up databases Sep 28 20:40:54 I think the server esploded. Sep 28 20:41:07 Word Ace update! Sep 28 20:41:32 * HattCzech pushes the button Sep 28 20:41:43 I dunno how their servers blew up Sep 28 20:41:45 they use akamai Sep 28 20:41:50 foo. Tried to re-add the extra launch pages, post update but no love wrong chunk side or something ? Sep 28 20:42:06 *size Sep 28 20:43:46 oil is scared of updating with patches!? Sep 28 20:44:21 weak. lol. Sep 28 20:44:22 better safe then sorry? Sep 28 20:44:34 meh, it's more fun when you leave them installed :) Sep 28 20:44:35 pffft Sep 28 20:44:45 i'm looking forward to seeing if the theme survives :D Sep 28 20:45:09 or maybe PARTS of a theme, haha Sep 28 20:45:18 My phone won't update... Sep 28 20:45:30 Templarian: why not? Sep 28 20:45:44 odd Sep 28 20:45:45 I think it's my theme Sep 28 20:45:48 ~seen rwhitby Sep 28 20:45:53 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (2d 2m 58s) #nslu2-linux (2d 2m 58s), last said: 'so it would be easy to write a service which would hide all the homebrew apps from the palm install api, and then restore them again after you've installed an app from the app catalog ...'. Sep 28 20:46:20 Templarian: how does it not update? Sep 28 20:46:38 my 1.2 is validating right now - excited :) Sep 28 20:46:41 Decimation, he's on vacation Sep 28 20:46:42 restarting... It started the download then gave me an error lost connection. Sep 28 20:46:52 It was half way through the download Sep 28 20:47:06 "Install now" yay :) Sep 28 20:47:08 did you lose connection? Sep 28 20:47:13 And I have 5 bars that's why I said the server esploded. Sep 28 20:47:20 hmmm, that's odd Sep 28 20:47:50 so what state does that leave you in? Sep 28 20:47:51 mine's at ~50% Sep 28 20:48:25 Mine says "Do not remove the battery." at the bottom - you can fill in the blanks :D Sep 28 20:48:43 If it doesn't continue it leaves me in the hospital state. Sep 28 20:49:10 It could have been verifing files and hit the theme. Sep 28 20:49:20 "App Catalog Unavailable. Try again Later." LOL Sep 28 20:49:51 why would it verify files though Sep 28 20:49:54 "Your phone is up tot date" Sep 28 20:50:05 wee. Sep 28 20:50:08 dang. i think it's broken Sep 28 20:50:10 lol, guys, the new webos doctor was done 9/14/09 Sep 28 20:50:12 what theme did you have temp? Sep 28 20:50:18 that means they were done 14 days ago Sep 28 20:50:21 and didnt release it. Sep 28 20:50:31 that's lame Sep 28 20:50:33 they should have Sep 28 20:50:35 slackers Sep 28 20:50:38 eh, they may have had other stuff they needed to get ready Sep 28 20:50:42 not related to the software Sep 28 20:50:52 is the Doctor avail? Sep 28 20:50:52 like store Sep 28 20:51:25 hmm Sep 28 20:51:31 it says do not remove battery at the bottom Sep 28 20:51:35 yup Sep 28 20:51:35 im gonna remove it, see what happens :) Sep 28 20:51:38 LOL Sep 28 20:51:41 i just want the doctor. :D Sep 28 20:51:57 * dBsooner-work runs ERP Sep 28 20:52:00 are you going to leave it plugged in, or disconnect that as well? ;) Sep 28 20:52:10 * dBsooner-work removes Virtual Keyboard Sep 28 20:52:11 disconnected :P Sep 28 20:52:17 heheh Sep 28 20:52:26 removed my theme hopefully that fixes it Sep 28 20:52:41 i had a theme, and it seems to be updating fine right now Sep 28 20:52:45 what, they dont get shit for removing stuff? Sep 28 20:52:58 hahahaha, of course they do Sep 28 20:52:59 1.2 does nto fix itunes sync Sep 28 20:53:14 well nobody cares about itunes Sep 28 20:53:14 Good. iTunes needs to die. Sep 28 20:53:33 oh man 3 icons per row makes it feel like a kids toy? Sep 28 20:53:45 is the webosdoctor avail? Sep 28 20:53:56 dBsooner-work: go check Sep 28 20:53:58 lol Sep 28 20:54:01 im on my work pc Sep 28 20:54:02 I can't Sep 28 20:54:15 Your work blocks palm.com i highly doubt that. Sep 28 20:54:15 yay! no status bar or "do not remove battery" Sep 28 20:54:18 maybe 1.2.1 fixes iTunes sync. Sep 28 20:54:20 lol, damn Sep 28 20:54:29 dBsooner-work: use your phone. Sep 28 20:54:31 looks like it's rebooting Sep 28 20:54:37 cant get the doctor to accept my pre after unplugging/taking out battery during the update Sep 28 20:54:47 heh Sep 28 20:55:01 uh oh Sep 28 20:55:08 hahahaha Sep 28 20:55:18 wtf you take the battery out for? Sep 28 20:55:21 why would you do that? Sep 28 20:55:23 Decimation: did you seriously do that? Sep 28 20:55:27 lol, see if it would still work :P Sep 28 20:55:38 lol Sep 28 20:55:38 BOOOO boot logo didn't stick Sep 28 20:55:47 did you all removec VKB before updateing? Sep 28 20:55:47 i want to prove the doctor can fix all soft problems. Sep 28 20:55:49 Decimation: Don't hit yourself in the head with a claw hammer Sep 28 20:55:54 I have to doctor mine. Sep 28 20:56:05 i planned on doctoring anyways Sep 28 20:56:09 thats how i do my updates Sep 28 20:56:12 so why not have fun with it Sep 28 20:56:12 :P Sep 28 20:56:22 i left VKB installed Sep 28 20:56:32 i left everything i had patched on there :) Sep 28 20:56:39 haha all you removers have no guts!! Sep 28 20:56:46 live on the wild side! Sep 28 20:56:52 * HattCzech agrees with egaudet Sep 28 20:57:02 * oil needs his phone to, you know, work Sep 28 20:57:03 * dBsooner-work would rather know if the idk's install AFTER the update Sep 28 20:57:03 Heh, I'd like my phone to occasionally work :) Sep 28 20:57:08 I assume Preware checks md5s or something before attempting to apply the patch? Sep 28 20:57:12 or maybe the OS version? Sep 28 20:57:18 preware doesn't Sep 28 20:57:23 preware doesnt do shit Sep 28 20:57:24 the postinst script? Sep 28 20:57:28 yea Sep 28 20:57:32 urg, i forgot how long this takes to boot! Sep 28 20:57:37 all funny business is handled in postinst/prerm Sep 28 20:57:43 so if you try to install the VKB on 1.2, it'll just fail with an error? Sep 28 20:57:50 it being Preware Sep 28 20:58:02 Dragging my files off and formatting. Sep 28 20:58:03 it should because the directories/files it wants to patch don't exist Sep 28 20:58:03 * lmorchard wishes he could remember "mount -o remount,rw /" Sep 28 20:58:06 brb Sep 28 20:58:29 is one of the feeds down? Sep 28 20:59:02 update installed Sep 28 20:59:12 do ipkg -o /var update to see if any feed is down Sep 28 20:59:23 theme didn't survive Sep 28 20:59:32 aside from the background :) Sep 28 20:59:47 HattCzech, now uninstall vkb from 1.2 and make sure it uninstalls ? Sep 28 20:59:52 did the VKB survive? Sep 28 20:59:59 VKB can't suirvive functionally Sep 28 21:00:08 doesn't look like it Sep 28 21:00:08 but it should still show up as installed in preware Sep 28 21:00:16 double tapping the gesture area does noting Sep 28 21:00:19 and uninstall should succeed Sep 28 21:00:21 s/noting/nothing/ Sep 28 21:00:21 HattCzech meant: double tapping the gesture area does nothing Sep 28 21:00:48 4x4 didn't make it Sep 28 21:00:54 (of course) Sep 28 21:01:02 I know VKB won't work after update, I just hope uninstall still works Sep 28 21:01:18 char counter didn't make it... neither did timestamp in messaging Sep 28 21:01:48 call duration is still around in the call log Sep 28 21:01:54 ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-3QFzCD http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/armv7/Packages.gz' Sep 28 21:02:00 expected, since that's a pref change Sep 28 21:02:12 heh i can't find any difference from 1.1 to 1.2 at all except they disable adhoc mode in the wifi driver Sep 28 21:02:35 the preware feed doesnt exist Sep 28 21:02:39 you need to delete it Sep 28 21:02:41 the dialer screen still takes forever to come up which is super annoying Sep 28 21:02:49 where did it go? Sep 28 21:02:54 away Sep 28 21:02:59 whyt? Sep 28 21:03:06 dBsooner, it's webos-internals feed Sep 28 21:03:09 because? Sep 28 21:03:13 preware feed has been gone for a while Sep 28 21:03:25 so just delete preware.conf? Sep 28 21:03:25 preware has an update Sep 28 21:03:28 it was removed just to screw with dBsooner-work Sep 28 21:03:32 lol Sep 28 21:03:34 you wanted me to uninstall and reinstall vkb, right? Sep 28 21:03:48 091 > 090 Sep 28 21:03:56 indeed Sep 28 21:03:57 HattCzech, just uinstall is fine Sep 28 21:04:05 reinstall will undoubtedly fail but you can try Sep 28 21:04:35 removing now Sep 28 21:04:58 restarting luna Sep 28 21:05:01 1.2 sdk ius available Sep 28 21:05:06 were you being serious about remove the preware.conf feed? Sep 28 21:05:11 oh, sweet Sep 28 21:05:12 yea Sep 28 21:05:17 or Sep 28 21:05:18 not yet Sep 28 21:05:19 lol Sep 28 21:05:24 its linked Sep 28 21:05:26 but goes to nothing Sep 28 21:06:25 uninstall of vkb appears to have worked Sep 28 21:06:31 now to fail the install Sep 28 21:07:37 still no doctoring for me Sep 28 21:07:40 this WILL work Sep 28 21:07:47 error installing [4] Sep 28 21:08:00 ipkg log says? Sep 28 21:08:27 framework file cannot be found Sep 28 21:08:34 191_15 Sep 28 21:08:34 The backup servers down also. Sep 28 21:08:35 HattCzech, yup :D nice Sep 28 21:08:37 makes sense Sep 28 21:08:45 yep Sep 28 21:08:52 hopefully just have to change the dir name Sep 28 21:08:55 so you will forever have the osk labeled as installed Sep 28 21:09:03 oil no Sep 28 21:09:05 xD Sep 28 21:09:08 downloading webos doctor at the moment and backing up. Sep 28 21:09:08 it uninstalls. :D Sep 28 21:09:14 nope, it uninstalled fine Sep 28 21:09:18 you guys need to STOP working on patches Sep 28 21:09:24 and START working on duck punching Sep 28 21:09:37 i'll duck punch... Sep 28 21:09:41 sounds like fun Sep 28 21:10:05 a duck punched keyboard would have been 1.2 compatible Sep 28 21:10:10 yay! downloading 1.2 sdk Sep 28 21:10:23 woohooo Sep 28 21:10:23 interesting Sep 28 21:10:38 im still trying to doctor :P Sep 28 21:10:38 when the screen goes off, the gesture lights go on and off as well Sep 28 21:10:56 jeebus! 178 themes! Sep 28 21:10:56 I have 1.2 running now with a fresh install Sep 28 21:10:59 when the shit did that happen? Sep 28 21:11:04 Doctored with 1.1 then updated Sep 28 21:11:18 HattCzech: yeah, in 1.1, if you pressed the gesture area as you shut the screen off, the light would stay on until you turn the screen on Sep 28 21:11:25 when you were sleeping Sep 28 21:11:42 Abyssul: that's what i'm about to do. Sep 28 21:11:46 interesting Sep 28 21:11:52 Dieter didn't seem to happy with the themes that are overwriting the CSS/JS files Sep 28 21:12:03 sucks i'm going to lose my word ace stuff! Sep 28 21:12:10 reinstalling original blue theme Sep 28 21:12:13 1.2 is out? Sep 28 21:12:16 no Sep 28 21:12:19 hmagoo: as of an hour ago Sep 28 21:12:20 ;) Sep 28 21:12:21 no Sep 28 21:12:23 no Sep 28 21:12:26 argh I hate reapplying mods Sep 28 21:12:42 word ace has elevator music now Sep 28 21:12:48 I don't... the ipkg autopatch is nice Sep 28 21:13:02 dBsooner-work: why was dieter opposed to that? Sep 28 21:13:06 i just use quick install :P Sep 28 21:13:14 awww, lame Sep 28 21:13:15 It distributes palm's copyrighted source Sep 28 21:13:17 took about 20 seconds to reapply all my mods last time Sep 28 21:13:21 dBsooner: are you able to apply more than one mod to the same file easily? Sep 28 21:13:23 the boot theme sucks, it's the neon crap Sep 28 21:13:33 yup Sep 28 21:13:38 no no, I am talking about my custom stuff like global search and custom background etc.. Sep 28 21:13:39 so dBsooner now you can tell me all the patches on autopatch that fail to apply in 1.2 Sep 28 21:13:41 ask egaudet Sep 28 21:13:47 LOL Sep 28 21:13:50 later Sep 28 21:13:54 I am still at work Sep 28 21:14:00 :P Sep 28 21:14:04 hmmm, not sure if i like the updates to the original blue theme Sep 28 21:14:05 gotta go back and do some more phone jack wall-fishes from teh attic of this house Sep 28 21:14:22 eh, good luck been there that sucks Sep 28 21:14:50 i like what he did to messaging, though Sep 28 21:15:09 dBsooner-work: that sucks, have fun Sep 28 21:15:33 hello everyone, long time no see Sep 28 21:15:52 now i just need the 4x4 patch back Sep 28 21:16:01 :P Sep 28 21:16:04 and time to update my char counter (if needed) Sep 28 21:16:16 lol, i made that for myself and decided to release Sep 28 21:16:20 didnt realize so many would want it Sep 28 21:16:38 the 4x4 thing? Sep 28 21:16:52 4x4 is mucho better than 5x4 Sep 28 21:16:53 HattCzech: yes Sep 28 21:16:57 I gave egaudet the patch for it Sep 28 21:17:01 well, thank you very much Sep 28 21:17:04 he just needs to make it into an ipkg Sep 28 21:17:10 yeah, i asked jason to switch it on quick install Sep 28 21:17:11 and Decimation was the original guru Sep 28 21:17:30 after making the 5x4, i myself did 4x4 Sep 28 21:17:33 just never released Sep 28 21:17:40 some other guy changed a line or two Sep 28 21:17:54 HattCzech: no problem :P Sep 28 21:18:24 btw - i took out the battery during the update Sep 28 21:18:28 no damage done :D Sep 28 21:18:38 so, how many of you bastards are also trying to download the new 1.2 emulator and slowing me down? :p Sep 28 21:18:55 freakout_AFK: i already did, so i'm done slowing you down :) Sep 28 21:18:59 lol Sep 28 21:19:11 meh, i have no need for the emulator Sep 28 21:19:25 lol.. so I got a "unable to connect" half way through download of 1.2 i nthe updater Sep 28 21:19:33 now when I go to update, "Yoru phone is up to date" Sep 28 21:19:33 Decimation: show-off :p Sep 28 21:19:33 haha Sep 28 21:19:43 ouch db Sep 28 21:19:43 * oil already got teh sdk Sep 28 21:19:49 does anyone know where on the wiki the script for the notifications lies Sep 28 21:19:50 * punzada is off to download it now Sep 28 21:19:56 trying to do the led mod now Sep 28 21:19:58 freakout_AFK: just dont see a point :P Sep 28 21:20:23 * freakout_AFK would much rather stay home from work and play with the new toy today Sep 28 21:20:26 Bloody work. Sep 28 21:20:37 be glad you have work :P Sep 28 21:20:40 "And, of course, we’ve updated the Mojo SDK documentation so you will know how to take advantage of the enhancements and new functionality." Sep 28 21:20:42 just don't have a job, like me :) hahaha Sep 28 21:20:45 oh well, the download should be just about finished in 8hrs anyway Sep 28 21:20:49 lol Sep 28 21:21:08 oil: ahh, im proven wrong. Sep 28 21:21:10 Hmmm I cant add a facebook account in 1.2 update Sep 28 21:21:14 but if you could find me one, that would be nice Sep 28 21:21:18 * oil downloaded the sdk in like a couple minutes Sep 28 21:21:36 * HattCzech did also Sep 28 21:21:48 i max out at 270kb/s - dont make fun of me. Sep 28 21:22:04 oil, so the documentation is up to webos 1.0.3 now? Sep 28 21:22:06 * freakout_AFK 's just cut off halway through, like dBsooner-work Sep 28 21:22:18 lol Sep 28 21:22:18 can anyone sync with facebook in the 1.2 update? Sep 28 21:22:20 i had to go back in a couple times Sep 28 21:22:21 Blast! i'll catch up tonight... later. Sep 28 21:22:24 awww, 270kB/s is sad... i max at like 2mB/s :) Sep 28 21:22:25 and then hit the "refresh" button Sep 28 21:22:37 can grab the updated sdk from the normal download link? Sep 28 21:22:40 HattCzech: come convince my parents to upgrade. Sep 28 21:22:59 Decimation: hahahah, not sure if i'd be able to do that Sep 28 21:23:05 punzada: https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1788 Sep 28 21:23:08 should be able to punzada, but hre Sep 28 21:23:08 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1788 Sep 28 21:23:10 Decimation: "it's for my future!" Sep 28 21:23:12 although i did convince my dad to get the fastest u-verse available :) Sep 28 21:23:13 lol Sep 28 21:23:13 ty both Sep 28 21:23:14 oil wins. FIRST! Sep 28 21:23:16 haltczech: I get 3-4 ;) Sep 28 21:23:23 * oil is winner Sep 28 21:23:39 I get 4-5MB/s Sep 28 21:23:43 i'm jealous of Eguy Sep 28 21:23:47 25-30Mbps Sep 28 21:23:49 is the sdk updated already? Sep 28 21:23:50 db: at work? Sep 28 21:23:51 at work or home? :) Sep 28 21:23:55 home Sep 28 21:23:56 Rick_work: yes Sep 28 21:24:00 very nice Sep 28 21:24:00 * punzada removes his various patches Sep 28 21:24:00 * dBsooner-work has Cox Premier. Sep 28 21:24:03 I have at home 20-30 Sep 28 21:24:08 * dBsooner-work works for some company like that. Sep 28 21:24:14 i have RR turbo or whatever Sep 28 21:24:17 on standard time warner ;) Sep 28 21:24:43 back to work.. bbiab Sep 28 21:24:47 4MB/s = 32Mb/s Sep 28 21:24:48 my up isn't too bad at around 250kB/s Sep 28 21:25:07 I can't use usb anymore to drag my files off. Sep 28 21:25:11 I'm capped at 60 Sep 28 21:25:19 Pissers Sep 28 21:25:20 I have 1.5 up Sep 28 21:25:26 60 kb Sep 28 21:25:45 I have 30mb/s at work and 2mb here, but all i care about is the low ping. Sep 28 21:25:48 my home line is 30/5, i'm estatic still with it Sep 28 21:26:06 * oil has 10/1 and its the best i can get here Sep 28 21:26:22 *whistles* hehehe 100/60 at work Sep 28 21:26:26 lol Sep 28 21:26:41 at work is a waste though Sep 28 21:26:42 The funny part about work is it's like 32/15 almost 2:1 Sep 28 21:26:48 what all do you do there? browse the internets? Sep 28 21:26:52 I abuse my home connection though, even though my isp doesn't cap I'm shocked I haven't gotten some 'abuse' letter. Sep 28 21:26:56 porn mostly Sep 28 21:27:07 I use my laptop at work and use another wifi. hehe I sneaky Sep 28 21:28:37 does anybody have that code for the LED patch? Sep 28 21:28:50 Eguy: yeah Sep 28 21:28:51 The link I found is dead Sep 28 21:28:55 precentral.net Sep 28 21:29:00 It's dead Sep 28 21:29:26 so anyone on 1.2 any unexpected further updates from the official release worth noting or basically same as leaked? Sep 28 21:29:39 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201642-webos-1-2-patch-blinking-led-notifications.html Sep 28 21:29:46 it does not fix itunes sync so palm wasted our time with that Sep 28 21:30:00 Eguy, who said they were working on that? Sep 28 21:30:03 the update was 100% complete on the 14th Sep 28 21:30:04 well, I could personally care less about itunes Sep 28 21:30:06 dead link decimation Sep 28 21:30:11 since the 14th, there have been no changes Sep 28 21:30:15 Eguy: works fine for me Sep 28 21:30:25 o rly? http://filebin.ca/jqwdtn/led_blinking.patch Sep 28 21:30:40 ouch - didnt try it Sep 28 21:30:45 thought you meant the precentral link Sep 28 21:30:48 nah Sep 28 21:31:26 ahhhh lame boot screen again Sep 28 21:31:34 lol eguy Sep 28 21:31:49 I just made mine the palm logo with a lil tux Sep 28 21:31:51 still takes an hour to boot? check Sep 28 21:32:00 luna still a whore? check Sep 28 21:32:09 working better? check check Sep 28 21:33:03 * punzada does a 'just in case' sync and backup Sep 28 21:33:17 mine went very smooth Sep 28 21:34:53 My only question is why things are commented out that just make the phone better such as LED notifications, landscape email/pdf/sms app. It just does not make sense to me. Sep 28 21:35:23 well they probably plan to flush out the features further instead of adding something rudamentary into it Sep 28 21:35:27 so anyone do a diff on the leaked 1.2 vs. this one yet? Sep 28 21:35:47 It'd be cool to see that LED patch in Preawre Sep 28 21:35:53 * punzada is installing. Sep 28 21:35:57 Sree ya! Sep 28 21:36:04 I'm gone Sep 28 21:36:15 I figured I would spice things up so I went with spanish this time. Sep 28 21:36:20 lol Sep 28 21:36:22 egaudet did you do the LED ipk? Sep 28 21:36:22 ha Sep 28 21:36:26 no Sep 28 21:36:32 wait Sep 28 21:36:35 what LED ipk Sep 28 21:36:36 wowowowwo it is much quicker Sep 28 21:36:44 blinking notifications? Sep 28 21:36:54 people often assume i'm a fluent spanish speaker due to the username, only to learn I know about enough to barely navigate and live through the spanish speaking country Sep 28 21:36:57 so all of the virtual keyboard images are going to show up in the picture app now :( Sep 28 21:37:08 through a* Sep 28 21:37:18 hmagoo, that's an ipk where? Sep 28 21:37:18 I lost my swoosh sound Sep 28 21:37:19 i didn't do it Sep 28 21:37:32 no thought maybe you did an autopatch Sep 28 21:37:42 it is taking longer to uninstall the sdk than it took to download the new one Sep 28 21:37:48 oh Sep 28 21:37:55 package manager service shows up in the app catalog Sep 28 21:37:56 it's back! ha. Anyone notice the lack of lag on the dialer? Sep 28 21:37:57 hmagoo, is that a 1.2 thing or 1.1? Sep 28 21:38:05 people are going to remove it from there and fuck everything up Sep 28 21:38:07 i've only done ipks for patches on gitorious webos-internals repo Sep 28 21:38:11 Decimation: that's odd did you get webos doctor to reconize it? Sep 28 21:38:18 ok just wondering Sep 28 21:38:29 does that persist through a reboot oil? Sep 28 21:38:29 patch to 1.2 just uncomments Sep 28 21:38:32 oil... WHAT Sep 28 21:38:51 app catalog showing homebrew? Sep 28 21:38:58 because it is installed Sep 28 21:39:03 they've got an "installed" area like preware does Sep 28 21:39:07 they are using ipkg now? Sep 28 21:39:08 and homebrew is listed Sep 28 21:39:14 no limit Sep 28 21:39:20 they've always been using ipkg Sep 28 21:39:24 there will always be a limit Sep 28 21:39:24 ok Sep 28 21:39:32 forever! Sep 28 21:39:40 install limit is unchanged. Sep 28 21:39:47 lame Sep 28 21:39:52 Templarian: lol, idk. Sep 28 21:40:00 Eguy: how come? Sep 28 21:40:01 yeah, but the workaround is dirt simple. Sep 28 21:40:01 but i did, thats all that matters :D Sep 28 21:40:18 hahah, nice Sep 28 21:40:19 restoring all override compatibility with WORI Sep 28 21:40:25 the app catalog has a EULA now Sep 28 21:40:31 dirt simple for you :P Sep 28 21:40:40 true Sep 28 21:40:51 hah, how convieniant - just doctored, now im going to the sprint store, my new phone is in :D Sep 28 21:41:00 new pre? Sep 28 21:41:05 tlp: yes sir. Sep 28 21:41:09 what happened to the old one? Sep 28 21:41:17 screen on/off button broke. Sep 28 21:41:20 ah Sep 28 21:41:28 and the guy was like Sep 28 21:41:37 we're gonna have to charge you for physical damage Sep 28 21:41:42 looks like webos quickinstall isn't working for me Sep 28 21:41:46 and i quickly found a dead pixel Sep 28 21:41:49 he was like, hah, nvm. Sep 28 21:42:08 most discreet dead pixel, but it was there :P Sep 28 21:42:18 do themes install on 1.2? Sep 28 21:42:18 lol lucky Sep 28 21:42:30 I can't believe they want $100 deductable for this thing >> Sep 28 21:42:38 tis robbery Sep 28 21:43:00 punzada: icky - you are probably getting it via insurance. Sep 28 21:43:04 people abused the insurance before they upped the deductable. Sep 28 21:43:06 im getting it from palms warrenty. Sep 28 21:43:09 love the patron theme Sep 28 21:43:24 oh, within 30 days? Sep 28 21:43:30 is 1.2 really out? Sep 28 21:43:33 yes it is Sep 28 21:43:36 yes yokken Sep 28 21:43:42 i should remove all patches, yes? Sep 28 21:43:46 sdk and on pre Sep 28 21:43:48 and not ona thursday, surprisingly Sep 28 21:43:55 that's the general wisdom @ yokken Sep 28 21:43:58 1.2 is a myth Sep 28 21:44:03 TIME TO USE EPR! Sep 28 21:44:14 WORI yokken Sep 28 21:44:16 * punzada sees his lil bar slowly move Sep 28 21:44:16 yokken, you have been using autopatch? Sep 28 21:44:16 It's 1.2.5.6.7.3.927223 R2 B35 Sep 28 21:44:41 branch? Sep 28 21:45:14 psh Eguy you're a slacker, i'm on 1.31, they scrapped luna and now you have to play skifree to move cards and make calls. oh and if you get hit by the sasquatch your phone will power itself down. Sep 28 21:45:17 what if they decided to release 1.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1 later :P Sep 28 21:45:27 lol Sep 28 21:45:33 wonder how long until opensource.palm.com is updated :-/ Sep 28 21:45:37 my USB != 2.0, heh, WORI is going to take a while I think Sep 28 21:45:39 hey they fixed that launcher bug Sep 28 21:45:43 I am installing 1.31 where luna has been replaed by winxp luna Sep 28 21:45:47 1.32* Sep 28 21:45:48 what launcher bug oil? Sep 28 21:45:58 where you scroll to the side then in the space scroll down Sep 28 21:46:22 i thought i was going crazy when that happened Sep 28 21:46:23 huh Sep 28 21:46:35 oil's bug was a weird one Sep 28 21:46:42 wondering if there will be a patch to get the navigation enhancements to the browser that were in the download patch Sep 28 21:46:47 hard to explain without a screen shot Sep 28 21:46:51 . [space], etc Sep 28 21:46:56 I only expereicned the notifications that take two swipes bug two days ago Sep 28 21:46:58 someone took a screenshot Sep 28 21:47:06 you did Sep 28 21:47:07 lol Sep 28 21:47:08 no Sep 28 21:47:09 jack did Sep 28 21:47:09 egaudet: i got epr today from autopatch but i don't know how to use it Sep 28 21:47:19 what is autopatch? Sep 28 21:47:26 it's a patch repository afaik Sep 28 21:47:34 its for patching in preware Sep 28 21:47:39 it doesn't actually automatically update patches Sep 28 21:47:53 it automatically creates the ipks for them though Sep 28 21:48:01 yokken, well it's just a self-removing package that restores all the files touched by a patch from autopatch feed Sep 28 21:48:11 WAIT Sep 28 21:48:18 so if i install it, it uninstalls itself afterwards? Sep 28 21:48:22 arrrggghhh sdk didn't install new virtual box Sep 28 21:48:23 yes Sep 28 21:48:26 weird Sep 28 21:48:27 and that would be why my character counter is really fucked up? Sep 28 21:48:28 DAMNIT Sep 28 21:48:35 ? Sep 28 21:48:41 i thought it was like Sep 28 21:48:46 "install me in case of emergencies" Sep 28 21:48:52 did you installed char counter from autopatch Sep 28 21:48:55 "and then if you need to use me, open this app and fix your thing" Sep 28 21:48:58 yes i did Sep 28 21:49:01 everything works now Sep 28 21:49:05 forwarding, char count, etc Sep 28 21:49:06 yea then epr should clean it up fine Sep 28 21:49:35 it just won't fix things that you did manually or with QI tweaks or quilt or any other patching/modification method Sep 28 21:49:41 if the messaging app got touched in the update then just upgrade Sep 28 21:49:53 well epr isn't in the patch repository now Sep 28 21:50:04 ? Sep 28 21:50:12 it is category system utilities Sep 28 21:50:17 292772 Sep 28 16:19 com.palm.app.messaging.ipk Sep 28 21:50:20 def in the upgrade Sep 28 21:50:24 ah Sep 28 21:50:33 know what i think we need a patch for? Sep 28 21:50:35 lol, WORI scans about 4 files per second on my system, heh Sep 28 21:50:58 to remove all menu/launcher/card movement animations Sep 28 21:51:00 OHFUUUUUUUUUUUU Sep 28 21:51:11 :( error installing [4] Sep 28 21:51:15 I would like compiz on the pre heh Sep 28 21:51:31 oh, no patches found. phew. Sep 28 21:51:54 hehe Sep 28 21:51:58 so what's so legit about 1.2 Sep 28 21:52:06 LED notifications aren't enabled, are they? Sep 28 21:52:08 led notifications installed :D Sep 28 21:52:11 nice Sep 28 21:52:20 not by default Sep 28 21:52:24 you have to do it Sep 28 21:52:29 ok well i'm heading home now Sep 28 21:52:29 did palm allow you to set the duration of the vibrate notification yet? Sep 28 21:52:32 in mexico Sep 28 21:52:34 bye egaudet Sep 28 21:52:41 nope Sep 28 21:53:58 palm needs better hosting for updates. Sep 28 21:54:04 i can't turn off crond, guys Sep 28 21:54:09 how i unbork it Sep 28 21:54:10 fifth try, failed at about 60% Sep 28 21:54:18 that's unlucky Sep 28 21:54:24 mine downloaded in about 2 minutes rick Sep 28 21:54:28 arrrgghh Sep 28 21:54:29 got mine 100% first try, thankfully... just took half an hour Sep 28 21:54:38 ~seen jaycanuck Sep 28 21:54:41 you guys doing it over evdo? Sep 28 21:54:41 jaycanuck was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 2d 2h 13m 52s ago, saying: 'hi all'. Sep 28 21:54:44 yeah, evdo Sep 28 21:54:46 wifi Sep 28 21:54:47 * oil did it over evdo Sep 28 21:54:48 and I have to go find the orca thing, and re-work the sdk install soit doesn't rollback. Sep 28 21:54:48 i haven't had evdo since i got my phone... :( Sep 28 21:54:50 crud Sep 28 21:54:57 i'm in an area that only has 1x. fml. Sep 28 21:55:02 :( Sep 28 21:55:30 uh oh Sep 28 21:55:37 there was a cdma firmware update in this patch, wonder what it fixes Sep 28 21:55:39 evdo is sexy here Sep 28 21:55:44 I screwed up the led notifications lololol Sep 28 21:55:47 evdo is sexy where my hometown is Sep 28 21:55:52 screen prefs app does not work Sep 28 21:55:52 too bad i'm at college now Sep 28 21:55:53 your screen blinks? Sep 28 21:55:56 in the middle of nowhere Sep 28 21:56:09 ajames, ping Sep 28 21:56:45 Oh, does 1.2 break anything? I guess it's too late because i'm downloading it :< Sep 28 21:56:48 so... i can't remove the LED service by ryan hope Sep 28 21:56:58 what do you mean palm needs better hosting for updates? Sep 28 21:57:00 they're using akamai Sep 28 21:57:12 is akamai on a tier 3 backbone? Sep 28 21:57:22 do you not know who Akamai is? :) Sep 28 21:57:22 they have to be Sep 28 21:57:37 wait... tier 1 is the super big backbone iirc Sep 28 21:57:47 Anyone confirm that 1.2 does not affect gstreamer in anyway, before i go digging into it? Sep 28 21:57:49 okay first and foremost akamai hosts all of microsofts downloads Sep 28 21:58:24 if that doesn't size it out enough for you, they also do almost all video streaming/redirection for government agencies and businesses, they're probably the largest content delivery network Sep 28 21:58:40 big businesses* Sep 28 21:58:45 i guess akamai must be a tier 2 Sep 28 21:58:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network Sep 28 21:59:01 the list of networks doesn't include akamai Sep 28 21:59:03 akamai are ninja warriors Sep 28 21:59:09 that kill you in your sleep Sep 28 21:59:13 I'm guessing if something is up with palm's downloads, it is probably something with palms servers that are then redirecting you to akamai Sep 28 21:59:29 level3, globalcrossing, teliasonera... where have i heard that? oh yeah, rapidshare Sep 28 21:59:32 yokken, they're not a network, they're a content delivery system Sep 28 21:59:44 oops I still broke the screen prefs app Sep 28 21:59:51 mine is downloading super slow over wifi. and i'm on a beastly network that i've maxed out the walljack of Sep 28 21:59:56 and they don't play around with CDN Sep 28 22:00:15 psykoz: but they must be CONNECTED to a tier1 or tier2 Sep 28 22:01:54 well they probably have their own datacenters so... ignore me Sep 28 22:02:00 can someone send me their /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js Sep 28 22:02:05 I destroyed mine lol Sep 28 22:02:23 Can someone run a huge diff between 1.1 and 1.2? pretty please? :D :D :D Sep 28 22:04:16 is the new doctor up? Sep 28 22:04:31 that is what I want to know Sep 28 22:04:39 because I need that js file lol Sep 28 22:04:40 well download it and tell us Sep 28 22:05:00 It's 198.2mb isn't that 1.1? Sep 28 22:05:09 can someone tell me where the update is downloaded from so i can download it and transfer it over to my pre? Sep 28 22:05:16 because that would be cool Sep 28 22:05:34 lol Sep 28 22:05:58 same dr version crap! Sep 28 22:06:06 will have to wait to fix what I messed up Sep 28 22:06:27 re Sep 28 22:06:51 new webos release and my battery just came in. this is a good day. Sep 28 22:07:29 woot, new blink notifications pwn Sep 28 22:07:58 Eguy, you mean you didn't cp securityconfig-assistant.js securityconfig-assistant.js.bak ? :O Sep 28 22:08:08 nope /wrist Sep 28 22:08:15 and I ALWAYS make backups Sep 28 22:08:21 oil, new webdoctor is out according to precentral Sep 28 22:08:25 I was too excited Sep 28 22:08:27 do you NEVER lie too? :) Sep 28 22:08:33 nah :P Sep 28 22:08:44 I JUST downloaded the dr and it is still 1.1 Sep 28 22:08:49 same md5 Sep 28 22:08:50 psykoz, for the record, .orig is the preferred method of backing up original files :) Sep 28 22:09:10 it could be .fag for all I care Sep 28 22:09:19 hey! all mine are .fag Sep 28 22:09:34 psykoz, ah, so you come from the "Puff" school of developing :P Sep 28 22:09:49 if by puff you mean toke, sure Sep 28 22:10:00 precentral is gonna get overloaded today Sep 28 22:10:04 er, PuffTheMagic.. but sure. Sep 28 22:10:13 Currently Active Users: 6856 (2353 members and 4503 guests) ahahahahha Sep 28 22:10:20 Eguy, their forums are already crawling Sep 28 22:10:49 Eguy: haha, I'm editing that right now. Sep 28 22:10:51 let the double/triple/quadruple posts begin! Sep 28 22:10:57 Eguy: download it through http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/webosdoctor_sprint.html Sep 28 22:11:00 and see if its the new one Sep 28 22:11:03 maybe they changed the lin Sep 28 22:11:06 link* Sep 28 22:11:19 argh Sep 28 22:11:21 sn Sep 28 22:11:26 i lol'd when i saw the .fag part Sep 28 22:11:41 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/205463-webosdoctor-1-2-1-also-updated.html - does that link work better for an updated doctor ? Sep 28 22:12:02 hrmm Sep 28 22:12:12 I can't remember the webos article that shows you how to disable the powerd messages Sep 28 22:12:12 oh hell no Sep 28 22:12:19 it opens directly into java now Sep 28 22:12:20 ie: system woke up, etc... looks like Palm altered those files Sep 28 22:12:30 quit powerd? Sep 28 22:12:35 quiet Sep 28 22:13:01 no luck with those search terms on webos-internals Sep 28 22:13:22 the second one in that forum thread is 200.1mb Sep 28 22:13:36 where does java store temp downloads? Sep 28 22:13:48 on your harddrive Sep 28 22:13:53 nice Sep 28 22:13:57 xD Sep 28 22:14:26 is it out yet? Sep 28 22:14:34 * Mousey is annoying Sep 28 22:14:39 no Sep 28 22:14:54 FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuu Sep 28 22:15:00 * Mousey rages Sep 28 22:15:17 is what out ? Sep 28 22:15:17 LOL Sep 28 22:15:19 LOLOL Sep 28 22:15:25 owned Sep 28 22:15:31 I pasted a package manifest into http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Update_1.2.0 in case anyone was curious what packages were replaced... they did it slightly different this time around, put a bunch in /var/lib/software/tmp on top of /var/lib/update Sep 28 22:15:34 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jnlp this is their new link Sep 28 22:15:37 Mousey, it's super out Sep 28 22:15:42 glee! Sep 28 22:15:52 mdklein_: nice Sep 28 22:15:52 * Mousey turns off all his tweaks, uninstalls his vk, hopes it's enough Sep 28 22:15:53 mdklein_, thank you very much for that contribution Sep 28 22:16:15 I bluffed Sep 28 22:16:19 the link DID change Sep 28 22:16:25 I am downloading the 1.2 dr now Sep 28 22:16:26 Hey guys, about those tweaks, are we expecting them to simply be overwritten by updates or are we worried about bricking phones? Sep 28 22:16:42 brick Sep 28 22:16:43 can someone test this link? http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Sep 28 22:16:59 dang, I did a couple of them manually, better hunt those down Sep 28 22:17:06 beyond tweaks and vk uninstall is there more to undo before update.. Sep 28 22:17:08 I wish the patches were packaged up better Sep 28 22:17:20 OR RATHER: what's a good wiki page to follow before updating? Sep 28 22:17:21 i was only joking Sep 28 22:17:24 I think WORI is going to take like 6 hours Sep 28 22:17:27 I do all tweaks manually just to make sure Sep 28 22:17:28 * zsoc updates his phone even tho he patched 1 too many things, waits for it to brick Sep 28 22:17:37 i dont think anyone messed anything up by installing 1.2 over patches Sep 28 22:17:46 * misterikkit is keeping an eye on zsoc Sep 28 22:17:48 ask HattCzech Sep 28 22:17:48 I never uninstall XD Sep 28 22:17:55 what? Sep 28 22:18:15 ask me ...? Sep 28 22:18:16 @Eguy, just to make sure what? Sep 28 22:18:29 they go ok Sep 28 22:18:33 yeah, mine didn't break Sep 28 22:18:36 is your phone a steaming pile of purple goo? Sep 28 22:18:41 blue Sep 28 22:18:42 hahaha, not yet Sep 28 22:18:42 mmm, purple goo Sep 28 22:18:46 i'm working on it Sep 28 22:18:59 no good wiki pages? Sep 28 22:19:04 but that'll be my own doing, not the update Sep 28 22:19:10 my phone is a steaming pile of "..." :P Sep 28 22:19:20 haha Sep 28 22:19:21 thats cause you suck Sep 28 22:19:28 no you suck Sep 28 22:19:39 nu uh Sep 28 22:19:45 ya huh Sep 28 22:19:49 your mom Sep 28 22:19:55 oh that was cold Sep 28 22:19:58 lolool Sep 28 22:20:00 brb Sep 28 22:20:33 * Eguy is extracting dr 1.2 atm Sep 28 22:24:50 it's worth the upgrade to 1.2 alone just for the 'open in new card' option in the browser Sep 28 22:24:53 thank god Sep 28 22:25:42 yes Sep 28 22:27:08 anyone got the vk working again in 1.2.0? Sep 28 22:27:20 running 1.2 update now Sep 28 22:27:35 having issues? i haven't attempted to reinstall it yet Sep 28 22:28:50 http://tlp.lickwid.net/patch-webos12-led # Just created this patch to enable the LED notifications (form-linked one is not available at the moment) Sep 28 22:29:05 what LEDs are on this phone for notifications?? Sep 28 22:29:08 * Mousey is confused Sep 28 22:29:37 The gesture area will flash when you get notifications Sep 28 22:29:43 oh those Sep 28 22:29:44 awesome! Sep 28 22:30:02 tlp: how does i install that Sep 28 22:31:04 Hm, no one ever mentions songbird for itunes sync Sep 28 22:31:06 It does it doesn't it? Sep 28 22:31:07 I'm about to head out the door, so I don't have time to explain how to apply it. Perhaps someone else can help you apply it with the 'patch' command :) Sep 28 22:31:38 installing via preware i get Error Installing [4] for the vk Sep 28 22:31:43 lol hey mousey Sep 28 22:31:45 im back XD Sep 28 22:31:53 hokay. Sep 28 22:32:14 drinksoy: de ja vu Sep 28 22:32:19 lol Sep 28 22:32:20 i'm currently downloading a 550mb wordlist Sep 28 22:32:28 u got urs working again Sep 28 22:32:29 on 1.2? Sep 28 22:33:26 ugh, i miss my timestamps in sms patch already :/ Sep 28 22:33:38 i didn't like that one Sep 28 22:33:47 i realize the default is a lot more broad and whatnot Sep 28 22:33:55 hmm... Use GPS switch gone from Location Services prefs in 1.2 Sep 28 22:33:56 but the formatting.. ugh Sep 28 22:34:10 anybody tried webos quizk install in linux? Sep 28 22:34:11 now just one switch "Auto Locate" Sep 28 22:34:17 *quick Sep 28 22:35:21 scratch that. GPS option moved to top menu in Location Services prefs app Sep 28 22:36:23 alkos333: thats all i ever use Sep 28 22:37:42 lol woooooooooo OT but i just got free hbo for a year XD http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1580417 just thought id share the good news Sep 28 22:37:50 sigh. looks like they randomized the doctor jar directory name to prevent us from guessing the URL like we did for bellmo Sep 28 22:38:08 mousey did u get ur vk working again on the new update? Sep 28 22:38:12 :) Sep 28 22:38:14 Mouse, so I got webosdoctor and webosquickinstall jar files in the same folder, I got java 1.6.16... I set my pre to dev mode, reset it, then connect it, press just charge, run webosquickinstall, it installs novacom ... and then I run webosquickinstall again.. and go into device management. It tells to connect the device and ok. I lick ok since it's already connected and get an error "No device found" Sep 28 22:38:18 Mousey: what am I missing? Sep 28 22:38:30 geist: :P Sep 28 22:40:45 and maybe to prevent another accidental early release too I suppose Sep 28 22:40:59 alkos333: do "ps axf | grep novacomd", without the quotes, if you don't see novacomd listed (and i don't mean the grep novacomd line) then, thats whats missing Sep 28 22:42:36 Alright, so just check to see if novacom deamon is running. Sep 28 22:43:10 alkos333: if you did everything else, that's all what i think you're missing, if it's not running, run it (as root), and also run your java -jar weboswhatever.jar as root too Sep 28 22:43:54 can't run update? are the update server teh swamped or what? Sep 28 22:44:11 * Mousey tries rebooting his phone Sep 28 22:44:11 Mousey: Where am I supposed to get the novacomd? Sep 28 22:44:24 I don't have it running, but there's alwasy *.deb out there and I'm running Slack. Sep 28 22:44:50 alkos333: actually that's part of the novacom download, which i don't trust worth beans, i suggest you download the .deb of it, and extract the files and put them in your /usr/local/bin Sep 28 22:45:42 there's a link to the .deb of novacom drivers on the webosquickinstall precentral forum page. i don't know of a better place to find it. also, it doesn't install (cleanly) in debian, so extract it by hand Sep 28 22:46:01 Mousey: I haven't been able to download the update yet either Sep 28 22:46:15 egaudet: you around? Sep 28 22:46:24 HattCzech: i bet he's hiding ^_^ Sep 28 22:46:24 Mousey: https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/1.1/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_0.3-svn177284-hud9_i386.deb Sep 28 22:46:37 destinal alkos333 : mmmmmmmmmm, that's the stuff Sep 28 22:46:37 hehehe Sep 28 22:46:38 update is downloaded for me. install is going slowly Sep 28 22:46:58 hello everyone Sep 28 22:47:07 hello greg_roll Sep 28 22:47:15 anyone want to test the messaging plugin for me? Sep 28 22:47:22 mousey: lol :) Sep 28 22:47:33 i need one more test before I release it Sep 28 22:47:35 I take it back, apparently the download has been working in the background since I rebooted my phone Sep 28 22:47:39 greg_roll: does it have the ability to connect to an arbitrary jabber server yet? Sep 28 22:47:51 can anyone tell me why i can't throw the output from a luna-send into a file (or modify it inline?) Sep 28 22:47:54 * Mousey still can't upgrade Sep 28 22:47:58 * Mousey isn't mad Sep 28 22:48:06 greg_roll: what's your messaging plugin do? Sep 28 22:48:08 mousey: unfortunently not, i didnt realise they was a difference. Ill add it to the todo list :) Sep 28 22:48:22 ahhh that plugin Sep 28 22:48:23 HattCzech: adds Live, Yahoo and ICQ support Sep 28 22:48:23 gotcha Sep 28 22:48:29 does the App Catalog work for anyone? i keep getting App Catalog unavailable try again later Sep 28 22:48:34 also hasnt been tested with webos1.2 Sep 28 22:48:37 unavailable for me as well Sep 28 22:48:48 greg_roll: add arbitrary jabber server support and i'll personally ship you a case of beer Sep 28 22:48:51 if i used those services, i would try to help you out Sep 28 22:48:52 turns out my phone wasn't broken, but if the servers get so overwhelmed they stop letting the update thing even work... bad design. Sep 28 22:49:02 ok... good i just didn't want to be alone in my unavailableness Sep 28 22:49:05 beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer Sep 28 22:49:08 Templarian: yeah, that is bad design Sep 28 22:49:16 Mousey: awesome :) its on my todo list! Sep 28 22:49:26 good thing i beat it before the servers got pummeled Sep 28 22:49:31 don't forget SSL and legacy ssl (port 5223) support ^_^ Sep 28 22:49:48 Who puts the update server on the same server as the file... they were not thinking Sep 28 22:50:06 hahaha that sounds like something i'd do :) Sep 28 22:50:09 i doubt it is a single server Sep 28 22:50:11 Templarian: they don't Sep 28 22:50:16 (cuz i'd be running everything from my NAS) Sep 28 22:50:34 Templarian: there's a CDN server for the files themselves separately from the patch service Sep 28 22:50:43 greg_roll, you're the best, btw Sep 28 22:50:54 hi Sep 28 22:50:58 zsoc: thanks :) Sep 28 22:51:00 destinal_work: still the servers are down and it's their fault. Sep 28 22:51:08 :( Sep 28 22:51:16 hmmm, i need to figure out this git repo stuff Sep 28 22:51:19 it's irritating Sep 28 22:51:38 well I'm installing every patch I can on the autopatch feed before updating to 1.2 :) Sep 28 22:51:39 templarian: I'm pretty sure the servers aren't down Sep 28 22:51:42 HattCzech, git is awesome Sep 28 22:51:54 if it worked for me, i might agree :) Sep 28 22:52:03 egaudet, 1.2 breaks every patch, literally. Sep 28 22:52:27 ew Sep 28 22:52:32 autopatch? Sep 28 22:52:35 that's fine, I want to verify the epr package works after update Sep 28 22:52:49 and then i'll check if any patch still applies Sep 28 22:52:54 egaudet: i updated the charcounter patch Sep 28 22:53:09 you want to help me get it into the git repo? Sep 28 22:53:29 misterikkit: same thing. Sep 28 22:53:43 jauderho, i put all the patches from gitorious into autobuilt packages on the autopatch feed Sep 28 22:53:48 update breaks battery percentage patch, as well as themes. Sep 28 22:53:51 I'm willing to use 1.2 unmodded until the patch community catches up, just for some of the new features Sep 28 22:54:19 Am I correct in understanding that I'll be able to make phone calls over wifi? Because that seems far-fetched. Sep 28 22:54:27 egaudet: I know nothing about about the autopatch feed. how does it work? are you saying this is an alternative/replacement to quilt? Sep 28 22:54:35 HattCzech, I'm going to be checking around 1.2 if you want to update it in the repo that's fine :) Sep 28 22:54:44 jauderho, yea it's in alpha right now Sep 28 22:54:52 misterikkit: no calls over wifi. unless someone comes up with a skype like client Sep 28 22:54:54 last time i tried to update in git, it didn't like me Sep 28 22:55:01 if you want to try it out with 1.1.0 be my guest Sep 28 22:55:04 i got 10-15min to try again :) Sep 28 22:55:07 egaudet: hmm. I'll stick to quilt for now. Sep 28 22:55:56 holy cow this update is taking a long time... Sep 28 22:55:57 jauderho: so what will I be able to do over wifi that I wasn't before? Sep 28 22:56:00 jauderho, all the patches apply cleanly so far as ipkgs and create backups so you can do it from preware, but manually using quilt is still fine :D Sep 28 22:56:26 egaudet: i'm old. still more comfortable with cmd line Sep 28 22:56:34 hmm Sep 28 22:56:39 did people see jwz's post today? Sep 28 22:56:56 misterikkit: afaik nothing new. there were no specific enhancements for wifi that I know of Sep 28 22:57:19 DraX: just read it. I pinged someone over at palm already. Sep 28 22:57:44 misterikkit, no no.. you will be able to USE wifi while on a call. Sep 28 22:57:52 jauderho: cool Sep 28 22:58:11 misterikkit, in other words, you can disable evdo/1x data, make a phone call over the cell network, but still browse and use data in another tab Sep 28 22:58:18 imo palm should allow free apps to be hosted elsewhere Sep 28 22:58:24 zsoc: but that's not new Sep 28 22:58:26 jauderho: he does make an interesting point that the app store approach isn't necessairly better then the old download somewhere approach Sep 28 22:58:30 this? http://jwz.livejournal.com/1096401.html Sep 28 22:58:34 destinal_work: yes Sep 28 22:58:51 zsoc: nevermind Sep 28 22:58:54 I reread what you said. Sep 28 22:59:04 lol it's ok Sep 28 22:59:14 I wonder if that means you do not have to have a simply everything plan then Sep 28 22:59:15 i just read that destinal .. interesting Sep 28 22:59:27 jauderho, well, you need to have wifi everywhere you go :P Sep 28 22:59:39 so kind of a pointless feature =) Sep 28 23:01:38 hmm Sep 28 23:01:47 I wonder what the correct to update a patch is. Sep 28 23:02:02 what do you mean by update Sep 28 23:02:14 update to one that works Sep 28 23:02:25 I'm no expert at using quilt Sep 28 23:02:50 do you have to remove the old patch from the quilt series and reimport? Sep 28 23:02:52 quilt pop the patch, then import -f the one and then push it Sep 28 23:03:48 hmm. Sep 28 23:03:57 evening Sep 28 23:04:25 is rooting still the same as before the 1.2 update? Sep 28 23:04:33 lol, rooting Sep 28 23:04:38 undoubtedly Sep 28 23:04:55 JaSonx: Sure, just login as root Sep 28 23:05:11 yes i said rooting Sep 28 23:05:14 sorry lol Sep 28 23:05:14 * zsoc roots his phone.. then wonders if he's supposed to leave it in the ground like that? Sep 28 23:05:29 long day here Sep 28 23:05:29 * zsoc hopes it'll grow into a Palm Tree. Sep 28 23:05:38 haha Sep 28 23:05:38 what is rooting? Sep 28 23:05:42 nothing lol Sep 28 23:05:52 i dont know what i was thinking Sep 28 23:05:56 I guess by rooting he means "logging in as root" Sep 28 23:05:57 rootings fine with me, just not any references to "C prompt" Sep 28 23:06:00 egaudet, i just demonstrated, it's when you plant your Pre hoping it'll grow into a Palm Tree. Catch up ;) Sep 28 23:06:00 i think he means Accessing Linux Sep 28 23:06:02 I root my linux desktop all the time Sep 28 23:06:07 :P Sep 28 23:06:08 anyone else still on 1.1? Sep 28 23:06:14 me Sep 28 23:06:18 uname -a please? Sep 28 23:06:24 are the led enable by default of we have to do a patch /? Sep 28 23:06:25 lol zsoc Sep 28 23:06:44 * egaudet going to post on ubuntu forums and ask how to root my desktop too Sep 28 23:06:46 :P Sep 28 23:06:50 * zsoc wishes he could get ajames and jaycanuck in a room at the same time.. ever. Sep 28 23:06:58 jauderho: yeah, 1.1 here Sep 28 23:07:06 egaudet, don't do that, they'll tell you why the root user has no password and you have to use sudo ;) Sep 28 23:07:25 well you can use sudo to root ubuntu Sep 28 23:07:27 JaSonx: you have to uncomment some code, Sep 28 23:07:39 * zsoc also wonders when opensource.palm.com will have the new patch updates released, considering they are legally obligated to if they changed any of those binaries Sep 28 23:07:46 ok Sep 28 23:08:05 you doctored? Sep 28 23:08:34 opie: can you post the output for uname -a? Sep 28 23:08:37 zsoc: they tend to lag a day (or a few) on that Sep 28 23:09:19 OK so I have 37 patch ipk installed from autopatch feed Sep 28 23:09:23 time to update to 1.2 Sep 28 23:09:31 cool Sep 28 23:09:33 hope my pre doesn't melt into a puddle Sep 28 23:09:41 make sure everyone knows you're not an example, lol Sep 28 23:09:44 Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.23 armv7l unknown Sep 28 23:09:52 mm, white castle Sep 28 23:09:58 GOOD NEWS! my wireless router reaches to the bathroom. Sep 28 23:10:02 suddenly poops are fun Sep 28 23:10:33 if that is news do you live in a huge house or have a horrendous AP Sep 28 23:10:52 maybe first bathroom portable device Sep 28 23:11:13 i live in a dorm Sep 28 23:11:40 oooh Sep 28 23:11:43 i suppose it's not ridiculous that it reaches... in terms of distance the wifi waves only have to go like 30-40 feet Sep 28 23:11:46 to the bathroom Sep 28 23:11:50 maybe 50 Sep 28 23:11:58 but they have to go through like 5 concrete walls to get there Sep 28 23:11:59 egaudet: tried to update git, but having connection issues Sep 28 23:12:01 jauderho: Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.23 armv7l unknown Sep 28 23:12:03 will work on those when i get back later Sep 28 23:12:07 adios for now Sep 28 23:12:11 woot Sep 28 23:12:12 new pre Sep 28 23:12:16 paralell walls are better Sep 28 23:12:16 woot Sep 28 23:12:20 first one ive ever had with NO dead pixels :P Sep 28 23:12:22 decimation, get your zune hd yet? Sep 28 23:12:22 perpendicular walls, I mean Sep 28 23:12:35 Mousey: thanks. looks like 1.2 has a newer build Sep 28 23:12:44 * opie_ nods Sep 28 23:12:47 yokken: decided against it - waiting till christmas. Sep 28 23:12:48 jauderho: yah, probably to cripple wifi tethering Sep 28 23:12:51 ;_; Sep 28 23:12:57 decimation: so... you just have a bunch of money now? Sep 28 23:12:59 anyone confirm wifi tethering is indead dead Sep 28 23:12:59 now if we can get geist to share what changes if any at the kernel level =) Sep 28 23:12:59 ? Sep 28 23:13:05 yokken: pretty much :P Sep 28 23:13:15 gonna buy 2 xbox 360 games and a touchstone soon. Sep 28 23:14:42 jauderho: what's 1.2 have? Sep 28 23:15:00 Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.23.1.1 armv7l unknown Sep 28 23:15:03 finally, it's downloading Sep 28 23:15:16 hah, you guys may have 1.2 Sep 28 23:15:16 well this is not good Sep 28 23:15:19 sunspider hangs Sep 28 23:15:24 BUT MY NEW PRE IS ROCKING 1.0.2! Sep 28 23:15:30 Decimation: AWESOME Sep 28 23:15:33 decimation, don't buy a touchstone... Sep 28 23:15:36 $70, really? Sep 28 23:15:39 yokken: why not. Sep 28 23:15:40 Decimation: buy one Sep 28 23:15:42 meh, i want it. Sep 28 23:15:45 it's the best thing ever Sep 28 23:15:47 seriously, don't Sep 28 23:15:50 for deving Sep 28 23:15:55 I think the touchstone is great Sep 28 23:16:04 it makes your pre hotter than a normal usb plug Sep 28 23:16:08 I got mine on serious discount though Sep 28 23:16:08 webos repair utility on usb 1.x, lol.. 2.5 hours and counting Sep 28 23:16:09 and it's $70 Sep 28 23:16:12 lol, idk how hot my pre is. Sep 28 23:16:16 hmagoo: wow Sep 28 23:16:34 hmagoo: incredibly inefficient Sep 28 23:16:47 get some 5gbps usb 3.0 in there Sep 28 23:17:12 what does WRU >> DO << anyway, download every file from the pre and locally compare it? Sep 28 23:17:22 lame if so Sep 28 23:17:29 I'm inefficient for not putting the usb 2.0 card in Sep 28 23:18:03 has anyone noticed much/any GSM code in the 1.2 update? Sep 28 23:18:07 hmagoo: is it having to resend every single file? Sep 28 23:18:14 awww come on. Sep 28 23:18:25 hmagoo: or downloading files from pre to PC? Sep 28 23:18:26 destinal_work: I am assuming local yeah Sep 28 23:18:33 hmagoo: lame Sep 28 23:18:35 nope sunspider is DOA for webos1.2 Sep 28 23:18:50 what's sunspider? Sep 28 23:18:53 considering that there is an md5 list ON THE PRE Sep 28 23:18:55 everything is doa for 1.2 Sep 28 23:18:55 anyone have a direct link to the 1.2 doctor Sep 28 23:18:58 javascript benchmark Sep 28 23:19:13 and you could locally md5 things on the pre itself way faster Sep 28 23:19:16 well this guy is always over usb Sep 28 23:19:17 not that gay java jnlp that doesn't allow me to save it somewhere and i have to download it each time. Sep 28 23:19:53 Decimation: http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Sep 28 23:20:10 I love how there's an empty Gstreamer replacement library on the webos-internals gitweb... it's like it's calling for me to be motivated and do some damn work on it Sep 28 23:20:14 does anyone know how to force sync/restore palm profile Sep 28 23:20:17 destinal_work: thanks for the link too Sep 28 23:20:25 destinal_work: just figured I would see how it runs, there are a bunch of ways to do the same thing Sep 28 23:20:34 i had to doctor my pre and it restored apps but none of my other accounts Sep 28 23:20:38 Backup? Sep 28 23:20:39 destinal_work: i praise the. Sep 28 23:20:49 back up doesnt sync though Sep 28 23:21:00 Decimation, i take it you got your replacement piece? Sep 28 23:21:06 :O WORLD OF GOO FOR $5 Sep 28 23:21:09 zsoc: yesir. Sep 28 23:21:19 Jack87, reboot Sep 28 23:21:20 yokken, that. game. is. AMAZING. Sep 28 23:21:24 i know Sep 28 23:21:26 until you beat it Sep 28 23:21:29 lol Sep 28 23:21:37 i ALMOST want to buy it Sep 28 23:21:39 anyone know if wifi tethering is indeed dead? Sep 28 23:21:40 holyshit bioshock for $5 Sep 28 23:21:44 can we backport the driver? Sep 28 23:21:54 Mousey: someone said that the latest one has an unborked driver Sep 28 23:21:56 hmagoo, ive tried a few times.. still hasnt gone through the sync process for all the accounts Sep 28 23:22:08 what accounts? Sep 28 23:22:08 woot Sep 28 23:22:13 palm server = down Sep 28 23:22:13 Mousey, wifi tethering works with donor version Sep 28 23:22:26 even on 1.2? Sep 28 23:22:27 jack.. doner? Sep 28 23:22:29 hmagoo, exchange/facbook/gmail Sep 28 23:22:53 Decimation, do you know for a fact that it is down Sep 28 23:23:03 Jack87: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201642-webos-1-2-patch-blinking-led-notifications.html Sep 28 23:23:04 oops Sep 28 23:23:07 http://screensnapr.com/u/wj9762.png Sep 28 23:23:26 you borked it Sep 28 23:23:31 back up :P Sep 28 23:24:02 Internal reason 132 is my favorite Sep 28 23:24:04 hitting back up will indeed re sync my other accounts Decimation ? Sep 28 23:24:13 ...how does one uninstall world of warcraft from macintosh Sep 28 23:24:21 Jack87: idk..lol Sep 28 23:24:23 Mousey, http://mytether.net/ Sep 28 23:25:18 * Mousey huggles Jack87 Sep 28 23:25:39 so you know how a few years or even a year back, people said to let a battery drain on like.. a phone before charging. Sep 28 23:25:43 for the most part, you guys give me warm fuzzies about this upgrade Sep 28 23:25:46 apprently that can damage your battery on newer phones Sep 28 23:25:59 Decimation: it depends on battery type Sep 28 23:26:06 i'll be sure to support muggles in their quests for world domination knowing that the wizards are all pretty much happy Sep 28 23:26:11 destinal, not really, nothing uses ni-cd anymore Sep 28 23:26:33 zsoc: it still depends on battery type, the things they said years ago vs now, silly Sep 28 23:26:44 in the sprint store, the lady told me to let it drain and another employee totally called her out Sep 28 23:26:57 did they start fighting? Sep 28 23:27:10 Decimation, the short answer is, you can't damage your battery from not letting it drain. The slightly longer answer is, it's actually better for li-on/li-po batteries to stay over 30-40% at any given time. The only other variable is total charges, so I wouldn't charge it any more than you have to, at the same time. Was that confusing enough? Sep 28 23:27:11 oil: nah, stayed professional. Sep 28 23:27:17 aww Sep 28 23:27:19 thats no fun Sep 28 23:27:22 Decimation, protip, employees are Sprint stores rarely know facts Sep 28 23:27:24 was their oil? bikinis? and a betting pool Sep 28 23:28:41 Ok, well it seems ajames isn't around.. so I'll ask a gst question for open fielding Sep 28 23:28:45 now we have Lithium Ion batteries, for instance, they can actually be damaged by excessively low discharge, but the devices all have internal controls to power off below a threshold so it doesn't really matter much when you charge Sep 28 23:28:55 ugh Sep 28 23:28:57 rboatright: you got that key, right. Sep 28 23:28:57 destinal, correct Sep 28 23:29:11 palm pre browser not doing well on browserscope tests Sep 28 23:29:23 Acid3 test returns 1/100 Sep 28 23:29:26 s/./?/ Sep 28 23:29:26 jauderho, does it support image maps? please tell me it does Sep 28 23:29:26 Decimation meant: rboatright: you got that key, right? Sep 28 23:29:54 Decimation, do you even know what sed is? :P Sep 28 23:30:26 sed? :P Sep 28 23:30:35 Decimation, exactly. stop using that syntax :P Sep 28 23:30:38 s/sed/said Sep 28 23:30:55 hmagoo, i hope to god that's a joke, because i almost just raged :< Sep 28 23:30:57 zsoc is cool Sep 28 23:31:05 s/cool/not cool at all. Sep 28 23:31:09 dammit Sep 28 23:31:11 joking Sep 28 23:31:14 s/joking/serious Sep 28 23:31:31 So would it be inappropriate to email the writer of some of Palm's released code and ask him a question about functionality? Sep 28 23:31:35 zsoc, linux is better Sep 28 23:31:41 Decimation, stop lying. Sep 28 23:31:46 s/linux is better/you suck/ Sep 28 23:31:46 Decimation meant: zsoc, you suck Sep 28 23:31:52 trailing / people Sep 28 23:31:59 need a trailing / on your regexps Sep 28 23:32:03 heh Sep 28 23:32:04 * zsoc facepalms Sep 28 23:32:09 s/regexps/communism!? Sep 28 23:32:11 s/regexps/communism!/ Sep 28 23:32:12 Mousey meant: s/communism!/communism!? Sep 28 23:32:16 * Decimation hopes he broke his nose. Sep 28 23:32:22 i love stopping and starting lunasysmgr Sep 28 23:32:28 it makes me feel like i'm acrully doing something Sep 28 23:32:29 Mousey, that was confusing Sep 28 23:32:36 yokken: yeah, its great. lol Sep 28 23:32:45 pkill LunaSysMgr = my lover. Sep 28 23:32:53 everyone else uses some longer command Sep 28 23:33:01 stop lunasysmgr & start or somethin. Sep 28 23:33:03 lol @ pkill Sep 28 23:33:05 Decimation: I don't. I use that one. Sep 28 23:33:10 lol Sep 28 23:33:11 I pkill too, lol Sep 28 23:33:11 or just use lunamanager xD Sep 28 23:33:16 upstart will bring it back for you Sep 28 23:33:19 lunamanager is the greatest Sep 28 23:33:20 initctl Sep 28 23:33:30 oil: i like it, just hate takin up the launcher space :P Sep 28 23:33:33 hmagoo: regular expressions, much like algebra, are just naturally confusing Sep 28 23:33:37 put it on the last page Sep 28 23:33:43 with the other settings/etc type apps Sep 28 23:33:52 we need a better launcher Sep 28 23:33:56 oil: hmm, i think i actually will Sep 28 23:33:57 regex's make sense after a while Sep 28 23:34:23 something with program groups Sep 28 23:34:26 * zsoc finds it interesting that the guy that wrote the pre gst patch has done a ton of KDE work Sep 28 23:34:35 but who really uses their pre in their hand and needs to restart Luna Sep 28 23:34:47 hmagoo, me Sep 28 23:35:03 if you're using the termplugin to change stuff Sep 28 23:35:12 you can just switch over hit a button Sep 28 23:35:18 then just pkill, heh Sep 28 23:35:27 or if you are using the autopatch feed Sep 28 23:35:28 so who wants to debug gst with me Sep 28 23:35:30 and install 5 patches Sep 28 23:35:34 and then need to restart luna Sep 28 23:35:36 yeaaaaa Sep 28 23:35:39 yeah egaudet Sep 28 23:35:43 hmagoo: nothing is forcing you to install it Sep 28 23:35:50 but some people do actually find it useful Sep 28 23:35:53 I installed it from day one oil Sep 28 23:35:58 and it is useful Sep 28 23:36:00 PuffTheMagic, ping Sep 28 23:37:38 Anyone know if rod is still vacationing? Sep 28 23:37:45 he is Sep 28 23:37:55 i need someone to bounce something off of :/ Sep 28 23:38:22 he's always so old and wise about things, lol. Sep 28 23:38:42 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/203951-webos-quick-install-contd-69.html#post1927402 Sep 28 23:38:43 hes not that old, is he? Sep 28 23:38:44 lol Sep 28 23:38:49 yeah I have settings apps in the last page as well, and I think it would be great if someone could put shortcuts to the different pages *somewhere* so we could categorize them Sep 28 23:39:08 grr Sep 28 23:39:16 hmagoo, ++ to that Sep 28 23:39:21 launcher icons, or drop-down menu, or something Sep 28 23:39:21 the app limit is a pain. I should not be anywhere close. Sep 28 23:39:27 i only have 41 apps Sep 28 23:39:31 Decimation, you're not that young, are you? same thing :) Sep 28 23:39:34 and it's saying I need to delete to make room Sep 28 23:39:35 but search works really well Sep 28 23:39:41 no, im not :P Sep 28 23:39:47 just not when you're out or moving, etc. Sep 28 23:39:49 jauderho, app limit != size / space of /var limitation Sep 28 23:39:50 who doesnt have settings apps on the last page? Sep 28 23:39:56 hmagoo, where would you put shortcuts to pages ? in the page? Sep 28 23:39:57 lol Sep 28 23:40:21 zsoc: I know that Sep 28 23:40:42 my point is that I have plento of room in /var AND IIRC 41 is not the limit for apps Sep 28 23:40:50 jauderho, ok :) i apologize for insinuating otherwise Sep 28 23:41:10 Oh yeah, did 1.2 fix app limit? Sep 28 23:41:13 1.2.0 finished Sep 28 23:41:14 jauderho: once upon a time certain apps caused this Sep 28 23:41:24 trying to update word ace... Sep 28 23:41:30 jauderho: like you'd install a specific app and suddenly you couldn't install any more Sep 28 23:41:43 and someone with only two apps had the same issue Sep 28 23:42:12 from app catalog to homebrew? Sep 28 23:42:16 time to try EPR on these 37 patches... Sep 28 23:42:16 zsoc: no. Sep 28 23:42:34 hmph Sep 28 23:42:55 i like sprint so much more now that i have an airave. Sep 28 23:43:07 Decimation, that's why their retention department tends to offer them :) Sep 28 23:43:24 Is there a way to keep wifi on? Sep 28 23:43:29 They made them to stop churn, not as a revenue stream Sep 28 23:43:35 doodums, turn it on? Sep 28 23:43:47 when the phone is idle Sep 28 23:43:50 nodoze app Sep 28 23:43:52 and not plugged in via usb Sep 28 23:43:57 doodums, nodoze (if it works) or plug it in Sep 28 23:43:58 or timepiece Sep 28 23:44:03 or tap the screen every 10 seconds Sep 28 23:44:03 few others Sep 28 23:44:11 destinal_work: that suxor. Sep 28 23:44:13 lol Sep 28 23:44:19 zsocL yeah :) Sep 28 23:44:38 jauderho: I think the issue definitely warrants more study Sep 28 23:45:12 we defintely need to get around the app limit. Sep 28 23:45:31 after you do that you will be worried about the space limit Sep 28 23:45:32 somewhere in the code it says Sep 28 23:45:42 if blah blah dont install Sep 28 23:45:52 * oil volunteers decimation for the job Sep 28 23:46:05 * Decimation doesnt have time. Sep 28 23:46:20 I have 37M available in /var Sep 28 23:46:23 oil where is the ipkg log? Sep 28 23:46:25 Decimation: It's actually the service that does it Sep 28 23:46:47 hah, im running 1.0.2 still, pressing the drop down menus Sep 28 23:46:47 you can't change javascript to get around it AFAIK Sep 28 23:46:47 no animation Sep 28 23:46:50 it just appears Sep 28 23:46:51 its ugly Sep 28 23:46:52 * Mousey installs 1.2 RIGHT NOW Sep 28 23:47:02 EPR success :) Sep 28 23:47:07 egaudet: what do you mean? Sep 28 23:47:12 * Mousey congrats egaudet Sep 28 23:47:33 egaudet: so you went from 1.1 to 1.2 then used EPR and everything is functional? Sep 28 23:47:35 "sudo: must be setuid root" suggestions? Sep 28 23:47:39 oil: emergency patch removal. Sep 28 23:47:53 Decimation: i know that Sep 28 23:47:58 he asked where is the ipkg log Sep 28 23:48:01 and i asked what he means Sep 28 23:48:05 by where Sep 28 23:48:11 oil does it get saved to a file anywhere or just in memory? Sep 28 23:48:17 its just in memory Sep 28 23:48:27 yes hmagoo that's what i did Sep 28 23:48:37 egaudet: what does EPR do ? Sep 28 23:48:49 EPR takes a while though, took a few minutes to run on 37 patches Sep 28 23:49:00 Decimation: someone's going to pwn j00 Sep 28 23:49:01 removes all patches Sep 28 23:49:13 destinal, goes through the patch control area and removes patch packages and restores original files Sep 28 23:49:17 destinal_work: huh? :( Sep 28 23:49:34 egaudet: how do you restore original files if they have changed because of 1.2 Sep 28 23:49:42 and then it uninstalls itself, so basically epr is just a script wrapped into an ipk Sep 28 23:49:42 Decimation: if you're running 1.02 Sep 28 23:49:47 hmagoo, i don't Sep 28 23:49:52 Decimation: there are tons of vulnerabilities Sep 28 23:49:54 destinal_work: updating as we type. Sep 28 23:50:19 is there any difference between the leaked 1.2 and the release? Sep 28 23:50:20 hmagoo, the epr will md5sum the existing file, then it checks the md5sum against what is in /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.md5sums. If it matches, then the backup file is removed Sep 28 23:50:33 egaudet: so I don't see why you need to bother with EPR to have things work Sep 28 23:50:39 egaudet: got ya Sep 28 23:50:41 egaudet: palm updates entire packages, not individual files Sep 28 23:50:59 destinal, it's not guaranteed they update every single package Sep 28 23:51:12 and he wants to be able to have the tool continue to work Sep 28 23:51:13 egaudet: they'll update the ones they change Sep 28 23:51:27 destinal, also the ipk still shows as installed and can't reverse the patch because the files are changed Sep 28 23:51:29 so unless you have a patch that touches two packages Sep 28 23:51:31 you're fine Sep 28 23:51:53 well you can't reverse it, don't need to Sep 28 23:51:54 when i try to sudo i get "sudo: must be setuid root" Sep 28 23:51:59 destinal_work: so you're saying if they update one file in the messaging app, they update them all? Sep 28 23:52:00 there are patches like that Sep 28 23:52:01 because it overwrote already Sep 28 23:52:04 Decimation: yes Sep 28 23:52:25 destinal_work: i havent looked at the changelog so are you sure of that? Sep 28 23:52:31 destinal, you don't need to reverse it but how do you remove the ipkg? Sep 28 23:52:43 and how do you know that the failed reversal is due to a palm update Sep 28 23:52:49 egaudet: it updates with ipk, how could it update just partially? Sep 28 23:52:52 it could be a corruption by other means Sep 28 23:52:54 it uses ipkg Sep 28 23:53:01 destinal, the patches are installed as ipk Sep 28 23:53:05 i'm not talking about palm ipk Sep 28 23:53:15 egaudet: I'm saying the "OTR" update Sep 28 23:53:20 it doesn't just update individual files Sep 28 23:53:26 destinal, yea i know Sep 28 23:53:30 that doesn't help me Sep 28 23:53:43 i installed a patch ipk on 1.1.0 Sep 28 23:53:50 destinal_work: there are patches that get into more than one app Sep 28 23:53:54 so preware lists the package as installed, and the patch has modified 1.1.0 file Sep 28 23:53:58 now i update to 1.2.0 OTA Sep 28 23:54:06 preware still thinks the patch package is installed Sep 28 23:54:17 but it can't uninstall Sep 28 23:54:18 ah, so it's the /var ipkg lib consistency you're worried about Sep 28 23:54:23 sorry didn't understand Sep 28 23:54:31 yep Sep 28 23:54:34 ... Sep 28 23:54:40 and the ability to "recover" from corruption Sep 28 23:54:40 ipkg --rebuilddb? Sep 28 23:54:52 hmagoo, patches should NOT touch more than one app Sep 28 23:54:55 Mousey: well the thing is, it thinks patches are installed, and they aren't Sep 28 23:55:08 uhoh Sep 28 23:55:10 so preware would be confused Sep 28 23:55:13 well I shouldn't say should not, I mean I don't know of any that do Sep 28 23:55:20 lemme see Sep 28 23:55:24 so the only way to be sure really IS to nuke from orbit Sep 28 23:55:38 epr handles corruptions as well as OTA updates Sep 28 23:55:48 Mousey: well you could ipkg remove Sep 28 23:55:54 egaudet: right? Sep 28 23:55:59 i'm yet to get ipkg and preware to reconcile Sep 28 23:56:03 the only case it won't handle "correctly" is an OTA and then modification before epr is run Sep 28 23:56:10 destinal, epr ipkg removes yea Sep 28 23:56:29 so it just saves you having to run it by hand Sep 28 23:56:35 when i do ipkg list_installed i'm pretty sure i get a different list than what preware says is installed. nor can i install anything preware thinks is available from the command line with ipkg Sep 28 23:56:46 ipkg -o /var list_installed Sep 28 23:57:04 ...really. god i hate Doing It Wrong(tm) Sep 28 23:57:24 so conversely it's ipkg -o /var install then? Sep 28 23:57:25 ipkg (without -o /var) will work on /usr which is all the stock palm apps Sep 28 23:57:33 yea Mousey Sep 28 23:57:51 * Mousey has appear over his head, a lit bulb Sep 28 23:57:52 OH! Sep 28 23:57:59 egaudet: guess I was trippin Sep 28 23:58:20 urdoinitrong Sep 28 23:58:27 buttttt patches CAN touch 2 different packages Sep 28 23:58:34 so if preware says it's installed, and 1.2 really ate it, i can ipkg -o /var remove and be fixed? Sep 28 23:58:34 egaudet: well actually ipkg by itself uses / Sep 28 23:58:35 and if they do, and palm only updates one, EPR will still work Sep 28 23:59:26 yea /, not /usr sorry Sep 28 23:59:28 is text forwarding that important? where do they get forwarded to ? Sep 28 23:59:44 sorry if that is off topic .. i am reading comments from palm's post on fb Sep 28 23:59:48 bpadalino, whoever you want? Sep 28 23:59:56 bpadalino: nah, not as important as generic jabber server access ^_^ Sep 28 23:59:58 ooh, i see .. Sep 29 00:00:05 post on fb? Sep 29 00:00:17 destinal, they posted some 1.2 thing .. Sep 29 00:00:21 and i am reading the comments Sep 29 00:00:32 i thought forwarding like number forwarding .. Sep 29 00:00:37 not like email forwarding Sep 29 00:00:49 redirection versus forwarding ? Sep 29 00:01:15 interesting, there's a 1.2 sdk also. does anyone have the URL? Sep 29 00:01:57 i am guessing the normal sdk url? does it not link to a 1.2 ? Sep 29 00:02:02 for the ubuntu ver I mean Sep 29 00:02:07 * destinal_work has no account Sep 29 00:02:21 that's a good question, is there a link to the changelog somewhere? any news on chinese support? Sep 29 00:02:36 at anytime, you should all feel free to tell me to stfu and google Sep 29 00:02:54 i stay away from the internet for a day, and palm releases webos 1.2 :(, at least i didnt have to wait long Sep 29 00:03:06 Mousey: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1804 Sep 29 00:03:14 ty Sep 29 00:04:27 well, don't do global search mods on 1.2 XD Sep 29 00:05:28 cool, they included our --force-architecture workaround for 64bit ubuntu in the release notes. they should probably mention you need ia32-libs, but that's ok Sep 29 00:05:43 * dBsooner-work is finally headed home Sep 29 00:05:43 nice Sep 29 00:05:55 to rsync his pre with the update downloaded, but not applied Sep 29 00:06:05 then to rsync again after applying Sep 29 00:06:26 the surprising thing is they link to the older (0.3) novacom deb which you need if you want novaterm, but it's not the "latest" (where they dropped that stuff) Sep 29 00:08:44 evening Sep 29 00:09:00 tharris-: saw the blog update. feel like you've been waiting long enough? :P Sep 29 00:09:09 global search from 1.1 hosed my launcher Sep 29 00:09:31 lol yeah Sep 29 00:09:47 gonna publish in next day or so Sep 29 00:10:26 if only these features were user customizable and we didn't have to re-hack everything every time Sep 29 00:10:38 publish what? Sep 29 00:11:14 critical vulnerability i found in palm pre with a few other vulns Sep 29 00:11:31 couple ops here know about it =p Sep 29 00:11:40 ouch Sep 29 00:11:45 well, good job then :) Sep 29 00:11:46 townsend? Sep 29 00:12:03 yeppers Sep 29 00:12:08 howdy Sep 29 00:12:12 how are u Sep 29 00:12:17 alright Sep 29 00:12:48 all the themes are replacing the sprint with their own stuff now. Yea, it seems like all the scripts are going to get js overwrites now Sep 29 00:13:01 :> Sep 29 00:13:07 Templarian, what? Sep 29 00:13:16 themes got overwritten Sep 29 00:13:42 * destinal_work hates the replaced carrier string Sep 29 00:13:45 mine did Sep 29 00:13:54 then again, I don't want themes anyway Sep 29 00:13:55 oh ghey. carrier string back Sep 29 00:14:13 i like one,,,,, the blue tron theme Sep 29 00:14:27 everything gets overwritten ;) Sep 29 00:14:28 Uh... guys.. my photo roll freaked out.. is this ok? (y/n) Sep 29 00:14:50 yeah, is not a surprise Sep 29 00:15:04 m? (maybe?) Sep 29 00:15:10 so everyone is going to be installing themes and replacing 1.2 files with modified 1.1 files... awesome Sep 29 00:15:12 zsoc: freaked out how? Sep 29 00:15:33 egaudet: just experimenting Sep 29 00:15:34 destinal, there is a seperate folder for.. everything... icons for messaging app, icons for camera app, background, color panels, etc Sep 29 00:15:38 egaudet: this is the kind of carnage this stupid premature theme rollout by precentral is causing, yeah Sep 29 00:15:46 that is pretty much it Sep 29 00:16:06 yup Sep 29 00:16:16 prethemer is fine Sep 29 00:16:40 * Eguy does not like it themed Sep 29 00:16:45 it's really obvious they didn't think beyond, can we bling it. Sep 29 00:17:01 rwhitby missed all the fun Sep 29 00:17:13 he still on vaca? Sep 29 00:17:35 are themes in preware also busted? Sep 29 00:17:38 * Eguy thinks he strategically planned to be gone today Sep 29 00:18:17 wait, the themes in preware aren't listed as installed are they? Sep 29 00:18:17 oil: egaudet just said "prethemer is fine" so I think they are not Sep 29 00:18:34 s/not/not busted/ Sep 29 00:18:35 destinal_work meant: oil: egaudet just said "prethemer is fine" so I think they are not busted Sep 29 00:19:01 I'm curious tho, doesn't the photo roll only look in /media/internal? why all the internal system images? Sep 29 00:19:30 keyboard themes are in /media/internal Sep 29 00:19:42 hmagoo, then why were they never grabbed before? Sep 29 00:19:45 so are all my album covers, clutters up my pictures list quite a bit Sep 29 00:20:03 welllll i shouldn't have said "prethemer is fine" Sep 29 00:20:14 i don't know how the precentral themes are handled when making ipks Sep 29 00:20:40 zsoc, dunno Sep 29 00:20:42 but I thought prethemer only allows uploading images, and then has options for known css/js changes that it uses sed for Sep 29 00:21:15 however the precentral themes get into preware i don't know but I assume they get in as is and therefore overwrite css/js files Sep 29 00:21:26 So wait, does this affect everyone, or only those who installed a theme via the prethemer preware feed? Sep 29 00:21:35 zsoc, the opposite Sep 29 00:21:44 * destinal_work commutes home Sep 29 00:21:48 er... i only installed 1 theme, and i did it with preware Sep 29 00:21:54 oil Sep 29 00:22:06 does preware contain the precentral themes too? If so how do they get turned into ipk? Sep 29 00:22:14 ok, so how do I remove that theme ipk that is in preware? without changing anything Sep 29 00:22:16 * zsoc looks to see what the script does on a theme install Sep 29 00:22:16 zsoc, if it came from the prethemer feed I THINK you are fine Sep 29 00:22:32 egaudet, i can tell you for sure, i'm looking at my cluttered photoroll :) Sep 29 00:22:59 zsoc what? Sep 29 00:23:16 my photoroll is fine after update Sep 29 00:23:24 egaudet, my photoroll has like 8 folders with various icons and color pallets in it Sep 29 00:24:24 egaudet, how can I change the "installed" theme in preware to not installed? Sep 29 00:24:32 hmagoo, uninstall it? Sep 29 00:24:44 well, it is not in effect anymore Sep 29 00:24:54 i dont know how the prerm script works so Sep 29 00:24:59 i dont know if it's 1.1 to 1.2 safe Sep 29 00:25:08 * zsoc runs the script anyway Sep 29 00:25:17 running 1.1 Sep 29 00:25:21 I just found a neat way to crash the phone Sep 29 00:25:35 xyg: I know a few :D Sep 29 00:25:48 Xyg, how neat? like a button combination? that would be cool Sep 29 00:25:57 open google maps Sep 29 00:26:15 and type apple Sep 29 00:26:19 in the drop down preferences menu, select edit, then "select all" Sep 29 00:26:28 the gesture area plus C for copy Sep 29 00:26:40 when you paste the contents to memos in calander, the phone crashes Sep 29 00:26:51 this is in 1.2 Sep 29 00:27:12 That is... extremely unlikely for anyone to do ever Sep 29 00:27:32 wow, stock settings this is ugly Sep 29 00:27:36 egaudet, i can confirm the prerm script for themes does... er.. nothing. Sep 29 00:27:46 * oil waits for 4x4 to work again Sep 29 00:27:58 zsoc, explain Sep 29 00:28:06 yay i have my theme back Sep 29 00:28:19 Is anyone else have any problems trying to sync facebook contacts Sep 29 00:28:38 I haven't been watching. after I update and I want to install a prethemer theme what is the easiest way? Sep 29 00:29:15 egaudet, er... well it didn't seem to do anything.. all the "ifs" cause a luna reboot, there was no luna reboot Sep 29 00:29:36 gah, why would jwz not mention preware in his palm app store rant?? Sep 29 00:29:40 * Mousey doesn't get celebrities Sep 29 00:29:40 oil maybe disable the precentral_themes feed for now? Sep 29 00:29:49 has anyone here not patched? Sep 29 00:30:15 ..define... patch Sep 29 00:30:24 uh Sep 29 00:30:30 ... Sep 29 00:30:34 thats done through the autobuilder, right? Sep 29 00:30:49 has everyone updated to 1.2 Sep 29 00:30:58 going to right now Sep 29 00:31:04 * Mousey has. and then i'm too afraid to poke at it Sep 29 00:31:17 oil where do the default feeds get inserted into preware? Sep 29 00:31:54 postinst of hte service Sep 29 00:32:03 it would require a new version and people to update Sep 29 00:32:06 for it to remove the pc feeds Sep 29 00:32:11 does this mean we can look forward to a new verison of WebOSQuickInstall soon? NOW with NEW TWEAKS? Sep 29 00:32:29 Mousey, you can look forward to patch as ipk Sep 29 00:32:40 * Mousey glees Sep 29 00:32:47 but i think the autobuilder is what turns the zips into ipks for preware Sep 29 00:32:55 * Mousey decides upgrading preware from preware probably wasn't his best idea evar Sep 29 00:33:01 Well we'll have to advise people against installing themes Sep 29 00:33:21 oil, probably, but all the ones are already built with overwriting css and js Sep 29 00:33:23 egaudet: good luck with that.. have you SEEN the rate themes are churned out? muggles i tell you Sep 29 00:33:28 themes are ugly Sep 29 00:33:30 so all theme ipks are bad? Sep 29 00:33:38 or pc breaks things, and prethemer just doesnt work? Sep 29 00:33:42 Eguy: except Minimalist+ Sep 29 00:33:49 oil prethemer should be fine Sep 29 00:34:03 pc themes can't be trusted yet imo Sep 29 00:34:04 prethemer through preware? Sep 29 00:34:27 maybe they could just be fixed in the autobuilder Sep 29 00:34:35 (at least, i think thats where rwhitby did it) Sep 29 00:34:57 Backup : Web browser bookmarks are now backed up to your Palm profile. After a restart or partial/full erase, the bookmark is restored in Web when you go to the web page. Sep 29 00:35:00 YES! Sep 29 00:35:06 that was a much needed feature Sep 29 00:36:25 oil what do you mean fixed? Sep 29 00:37:07 anyone noticed this too? Default ringtone volume has been increased. That is interesting Sep 29 00:37:09 so they work with 1.2? Sep 29 00:37:43 I dunno how crazy i feel about Palm backing up my bookmarks and history ;( Sep 29 00:37:57 you think they could have made Backup dynamic so they could change it without a webos update Sep 29 00:38:12 i could care less if I have to make then again, i dont want them storing my stuff Sep 29 00:38:16 psykoz: but having all your contacts on some hazy notion of SOMEBODYELSESSERVER is ok? Sep 29 00:38:19 but as Ron Paul said, when people accept 1% taxes, they accept the principle of taxes, which means 1% or 100% is no different Sep 29 00:38:28 You want someone to go through all precentral themes and remove css files? Sep 29 00:38:39 ? Sep 29 00:38:42 ron paul, lol Sep 29 00:38:44 what did I miss? Sep 29 00:38:51 precentral themes are just a zip file that overwrite whatever they want I think Sep 29 00:38:54 remove css and js files Sep 29 00:38:59 They are Sep 29 00:39:02 I told Dieter that today Sep 29 00:39:03 Mousey, contacts are different than my web browsing history Sep 29 00:39:12 and I'm not going through any themes to remove non image files Sep 29 00:39:20 if you say so.. i'd like some nice SyncML tho, really Sep 29 00:39:24 I could potentially put a pedo in my contact list and sure while that'll be bad to have in my contact list, actually looking at kiddie porn someone sms'd you is worse Sep 29 00:39:24 and I wouldn't trust theme designers to supply 1.2.0 edited files Sep 29 00:39:39 right Sep 29 00:39:47 so jasons theme builder needs to be changed Sep 29 00:39:49 So i will have to just not trust the pedobear when he sms's me stuff Sep 29 00:39:55 That is what Dieter said Sep 29 00:39:56 hahaha, don't browse 4chan on your phone then, i see.. i think i agree! Sep 29 00:39:58 oil yea Sep 29 00:40:04 then there is nothing we can do Sep 29 00:40:05 tsk tsk Sep 29 00:40:05 I wish anoutsider were here Sep 29 00:40:09 It's not just 4chan, it could be tinyurls Sep 29 00:40:15 it could be imgurl Sep 29 00:40:18 or alnk Sep 29 00:40:19 oil: Dieter and I talked on the phone about it and said Jason was supposed to be coming here to talk to me. Sep 29 00:40:22 or just someone's random joke Sep 29 00:40:24 oil, well we COULD disable the precentral-themes feed in the ipkgservice Sep 29 00:40:26 you sure know alot of these Sep 29 00:40:27 that was at like 1:30pm central Sep 29 00:40:31 right Sep 29 00:40:34 psykoz: well i agree and think we're both right Sep 29 00:40:36 but that seems like a bad solution Sep 29 00:40:59 harvesting customer information and usage patterns as a requisite is just criminal Sep 29 00:41:01 dBsooner, i left an im for Jason briefly describing the issue Sep 29 00:41:04 earlier Sep 29 00:41:05 as well Sep 29 00:41:17 No, harvesting customer information isn't bad, TIVO does this Sep 29 00:41:20 K.. Dieter left me a vm saying he would be in to talk to me/us within 30 mins Sep 29 00:41:29 harvesting customer information that can incriminate them illegitimately is bad Sep 29 00:41:32 oil well the alternative is to have people with potential mixes of 1.2 and 1.1 files and maybe some really weird issues. Sep 29 00:41:36 what about just removing whats in teh feed? Sep 29 00:41:37 But I think the 1.2 release kind of swalled things up Sep 29 00:41:44 the autobuilder creates it Sep 29 00:41:51 couldnt we just push a change to it to have it clear that feed Sep 29 00:41:55 but yea I'd just recommend removing themes if anything weird is found (assuming removal is done properly) Sep 29 00:41:58 I think we need to take down the precentral feed Sep 29 00:41:59 You don't get convicted of pedophilia by watching Hannah Montana, you do by accidentally clicking a url to 4chan Sep 29 00:42:01 so when they update it would load 0 themes from that feed Sep 29 00:42:03 untill it's resolved Sep 29 00:42:06 I don't have access to the feed Sep 29 00:42:11 I don't think? Sep 29 00:42:15 TIVO knows you watch hannah montana, Palm knows you go to 4chan Sep 29 00:42:24 We need to shut it off in preware Sep 29 00:42:27 http://git.webosinternals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=feeds;h=f91524f7fe6d81129e7beffe224cb1c63403cfd1;hb=HEAD Sep 29 00:42:30 this is offtopic, but i think tivo harvesting that stuff is bad too Sep 29 00:42:38 otherwise preware will be installing 1.1 css/js files over 1.2 Sep 29 00:42:46 aye, it is offtopic Sep 29 00:42:57 isnt that makefile what converts the .zips to ipks for preware? Sep 29 00:42:57 how do i remove a patch that i applied using the patch -p0 -i patch.file command? Sep 29 00:43:10 what did precentral do? Sep 29 00:43:12 oil I think the autobuilder just goes into that repo and builds everything and puts it in the feed Sep 29 00:43:22 yokken, scroll up Sep 29 00:43:25 we can stop it from FURTHER building but I don't have access to remove what's in the feed currently Sep 29 00:43:29 you need to incorporate version checking into preware Sep 29 00:43:32 anyone else's battery icon look like you're charging, even if you aren't? Sep 29 00:43:33 hmm, do i sense that i should update preware before using preware on 1.2? Sep 29 00:43:36 solves a lot of headaches Sep 29 00:43:39 not hard to do Sep 29 00:43:51 guys, no Sep 29 00:43:53 antianalog, patch -p0 -R Sep 29 00:43:57 fyi I changed the link on the wiki to 1.2 webos dr Sep 29 00:43:57 -R will reverse the patch Sep 29 00:44:01 egaudet, thanks man Sep 29 00:44:04 guys pay attention to what we are saying, upgrading Preware won't fix anyhting. Sep 29 00:44:14 Anyone remember how to disable system messages in terminal/ssh of "powerd system woke" "powerd system went to sleep" Sep 29 00:44:17 ? Sep 29 00:44:18 was the webos quick install created by people in this channel? Sep 29 00:44:30 no Sep 29 00:44:49 egaudet, you want to create a seperate channel to discuss this real quick so we don't have so much cross talk and people getting confused? :D Sep 29 00:44:52 psykoz, the "quiet powerd messages" patch? Sep 29 00:45:11 egaudet: i'd like that patch Sep 29 00:45:13 dBsooner, no this should be public Sep 29 00:45:19 I'd think Sep 29 00:45:20 oh, did not know it was a patch, forgive me for being here too early, I did that patch manually by hand ;) Sep 29 00:45:23 webos quick install was made by the guy who created the video recording app Sep 29 00:45:23 egaudet: we couldn't find that searching webos-internals Sep 29 00:45:29 jason something, he's on precentral Sep 29 00:45:30 egaudet: 10-4.. I just don't like having to explain what's going on every 5 mins Sep 29 00:45:31 :D Sep 29 00:45:46 egaudet: if that script creates the files, whats wrong with putting rm *.ipk at the end? Sep 29 00:46:01 :P powerd patch on autopatch applies successfully to 1.2 Sep 29 00:46:06 well awesome days ladies and gentlemen!! Sep 29 00:46:18 Some of Precentral's themes don't have the css/ipk's in them Sep 29 00:46:22 let me call dieter Sep 29 00:46:26 more color commentary and helping hand for newbies tomorrow!! Sep 29 00:46:28 is autopatch in preware now? Sep 29 00:46:31 cheers! happy 1.2ing!! Sep 29 00:46:33 i might have an easier solution Sep 29 00:46:37 oil what script? Sep 29 00:46:47 http://git.webosinternals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=feeds/precentral-themes/Makefile;h=de82a19f20e66a0a60aabcc17e07fede1af4cfa7;hb=HEAD Sep 29 00:46:58 psykoz, not by default Sep 29 00:47:19 can just create a autopatch.conf similar to preware.conf and point to right urls? Sep 29 00:47:34 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/blobs/master/luna/quiet-powerd-messages.patch Sep 29 00:47:39 psykoz, yes exactly Sep 29 00:47:44 egaudet, cool thanks :> Sep 29 00:48:10 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all/ Sep 29 00:48:31 is the feed and NONE of the patches were tested/ported to 1.2.0, so most of them I would suspect would fail to install but not cause any bad side effects Sep 29 00:49:05 i can tell you teh devmodeunhide patch works xD Sep 29 00:49:15 what is the use of dev mode? Sep 29 00:49:20 egaudet - does virtual keyboard install in 1.2 Sep 29 00:49:21 after rooting, what is the point? Sep 29 00:49:28 mikegodz, no Sep 29 00:49:29 I just left dieter a voicemail Sep 29 00:49:30 my phone isnt "rooted" Sep 29 00:49:35 why not Sep 29 00:49:43 why would I? Sep 29 00:49:46 oil, you should try, Palm Tree's are nice this time of year Sep 29 00:49:48 ...why wouldn't you? Sep 29 00:49:51 I am basically going to ask him if he will pull down the theme's that have the 1.1 css/js fies in them Sep 29 00:50:16 lazyness? Sep 29 00:50:22 and there being no point to it Sep 29 00:50:48 can you still ssh etc? Sep 29 00:50:55 termplugin Sep 29 00:51:08 srsly Sep 29 00:51:12 just install ssh Sep 29 00:51:36 no thnka Sep 29 00:51:40 no thanks* Sep 29 00:52:21 oil so you aren't in dev mode? Sep 29 00:52:36 i am Sep 29 00:52:41 then you are rooted Sep 29 00:52:44 :P Sep 29 00:52:48 to palm-install when developing Sep 29 00:53:05 but i dont have all the other crap installed Sep 29 00:53:07 you are rooted, you are rooted, you are rooted Sep 29 00:53:15 none of the other stuff is "rooting" Sep 29 00:53:44 anyone know why i would be getting "sudo: must be setuid root" Sep 29 00:54:01 are you do "sudo -i"? Sep 29 00:54:05 mhmmm Sep 29 00:54:12 and stuff still doesn't work? Sep 29 00:54:27 i get that message Sep 29 00:54:48 Dieter is killing the feed. Sep 29 00:54:59 why so ? Sep 29 00:55:12 Dieter is going to remove permissions to download the ipk's/zip files and put a banner on the themes page Sep 29 00:55:19 temporarily Sep 29 00:55:35 phew Sep 29 00:55:38 dBsooner, still will be installable via preware Sep 29 00:55:42 it's a good thing i got my theme 15 minutes ago then Sep 29 00:56:13 Because some (most?) of the themes on precentral have CSS/JS files from 1.1.. so the user that has 1.2 and installs one of those themes will be overwriting 1.2 files with 1.1 Sep 29 00:56:26 egaudet: no they won't Sep 29 00:56:31 the themes feed is coming down Sep 29 00:56:40 the autobuild script won't be able to get the files from precentral Sep 29 00:57:00 but what's already there inthe feed is different Sep 29 00:57:10 on OUR side that is Sep 29 00:57:27 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral-themes/ Sep 29 00:57:37 right Sep 29 00:57:39 On OUR side Sep 29 00:57:42 my Pre thinks there is a wired headset plugged in and I can't get it to use the regular handset. if I plug in a wired headset, I can hear through it, but if I unplug it, the icon doesn't change. it still thinks it's plugged in. any idea how I can fix this? Sep 29 00:57:45 dBsooner, the ipks with CSS/JS files are already in the feed Sep 29 00:57:50 i know Sep 29 00:57:55 so we have to fix OUR side Sep 29 00:57:59 right Sep 29 00:58:03 but the precentral.net side is fixed Sep 29 00:58:09 k Sep 29 00:58:11 he has shut down the pc.net feed Sep 29 00:58:18 so our autobuild script won't grab anymore Sep 29 00:58:46 WillJitsu: just plug and unplug a headset till it knows its unplugged Sep 29 00:58:54 oil: done it like 50 times Sep 29 00:58:54 WillJitsu: its a known problem. i have it every once in a while. just plug/unplug until fixed. Sep 29 00:59:21 reboot? Sep 29 00:59:23 WillJitsu, or just in case it's not that, check your headphone jack for corrosion Sep 29 00:59:27 WillJitsu: another way i have found is play music using the headphone jack.. then disconnect it and press play. Sep 29 00:59:46 WillJitsu: also ensure there is no lint, etc in your jack. that also has happened to me twice. Sep 29 00:59:46 egaudet: you don't have permissions to that feed? Sep 29 00:59:54 hello all Sep 29 00:59:58 no Sep 29 01:00:07 Dieter? Sep 29 01:00:07 there, finally got it. so that's a known issue and I shouldn't swap the device b/c of it? Sep 29 01:00:30 WillJitsu: no, but sprint will probably swap it for you if you complain. there has been cases where they did. Sep 29 01:00:49 WillJitsu: did you do the music trick i told you? Sep 29 01:01:11 tictac: nah I called my voicemail and kept plugging/unplugging over and over Sep 29 01:01:32 WillJitsu: when i do that, if i plug it in and unplug it, it disconnects the call. Sep 29 01:01:44 hmm weird Sep 29 01:02:00 yes sorry, this is Dieter. Sep 29 01:02:13 Good old tampa bay huh? Sep 29 01:02:15 Oh, hi stranger :) Sep 29 01:02:26 just wanted to say I'm trying to disable downloading on the feed gallery after 1.2 pending updates from Jason Sep 29 01:02:53 Good choice :) Sep 29 01:03:03 I need to leave the updates up for admins (aka me), can somebody see if the links to the the theme downloads are active on the feed? http://www.precentral.net/webos-themes/precentral-theme-repo.xml Sep 29 01:03:35 nvm, they still are Sep 29 01:03:38 Thank you. We are trying to get our feed that has your zip files cached as IPK's to be disabled as well Sep 29 01:03:40 ok, will have to edit the feed. Sep 29 01:03:51 I will disable the zips directly in the feed Sep 29 01:04:08 direct download should already be disabled for all users except admins and developers Sep 29 01:04:08 Ok.. But we have a cache of them too Sep 29 01:04:28 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral-themes/ Sep 29 01:04:35 every theme i tried installing with preware were borked. (namely the dark and original blue themes) Sep 29 01:04:43 err installing themes* Sep 29 01:04:52 tictac!! how's work on longer vibrate going? Sep 29 01:04:54 there needs to be a "restore default theme" option. Sep 29 01:04:57 And that's the feed Preware uses to install themes from precentral. Sep 29 01:05:07 yokken: lol. i got tied up into studying for my ccie lab. Sep 29 01:05:19 We have an autobuild script that grabs new themes from precentral's feed and builds the ipk and stores them in our feeds for preware to use. Sep 29 01:05:28 which i am still doing. the pre has been on the backburner. sorry :( Sep 29 01:06:03 dbohn: sorry I brought all this up on you tonight. I felt it was of importance though. I know your in some pain. Sep 29 01:06:31 just try not to pass out on the keyboard. That could get ugly. Sep 29 01:06:49 lol. ok, the zip download field has been removed from our xml feed Sep 29 01:06:52 for preware Sep 29 01:07:02 cool Sep 29 01:07:35 well i guess we'll see what happens when the autobuilder tries to pull the feed and create ipks Sep 29 01:07:51 oil, go force it. squirt some oil on it. Sep 29 01:07:56 is Rod still on holiday? Sep 29 01:08:00 idk how to force it Sep 29 01:08:05 its every 15 mins Sep 29 01:08:06 dbohn: yes Sep 29 01:08:06 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/buildlogs/autobuild-mason-last.txt Sep 29 01:08:18 itl go in 8 mins Sep 29 01:08:18 dbohn: another 6 days? Sep 29 01:08:54 I've never tried to admin a site in this condition. I am high as a kite :p Sep 29 01:09:10 LOL.. That's what I meant. Sep 29 01:09:21 Just give me admin rights, I'll fix it for ya. :D Sep 29 01:09:24 ok, the zip is definitely gone from the xml. I can kill it entirely if that's better / if preware chokes on a feed that doesn't have the zip in it Sep 29 01:09:44 we won't know till the autobuild runs Sep 29 01:09:50 in 7 mins Sep 29 01:09:52 in about 6 mins or so Sep 29 01:10:08 I'll try to stay awake that long :) Sep 29 01:10:22 I told you.. go pass out.. Just give me your login. Sep 29 01:10:31 I promise not to break anything.... Sep 29 01:10:34 of importance. Sep 29 01:11:04 the autobuilder will error out and stop Sep 29 01:11:07 username: Dieter Bohn Sep 29 01:11:12 :D Sep 29 01:11:13 Password: justkidding lol Sep 29 01:11:18 lol Sep 29 01:11:20 dbohn, btw, channel is logged :> Sep 29 01:11:29 That would be funny if it really were your password Sep 29 01:11:35 * dBsooner goes and checks Sep 29 01:11:38 reported! Sep 29 01:11:41 LOL Sep 29 01:11:43 we'd probably get a bunch of spam the day after dBsooner gets on there Sep 29 01:11:43 that would be scary and sad if it were Sep 29 01:11:51 The day after? Sep 29 01:11:57 LOL.. you doubt me. Sep 29 01:12:11 tictac: you're doing ccie!!?! Sep 29 01:12:34 * dBsooner goes to start rsync of 1.1 pre with 1.2 update packages DOWNLOADED to update dir Sep 29 01:12:41 I can remove the precentral-themes from the autobuilder for now so it won't autobuild Sep 29 01:12:45 then to update and rsync again to check diff in files. :D Sep 29 01:12:53 yokken: yes. Sep 29 01:12:56 egaudet: let it try to autobuild Sep 29 01:13:04 the xml is there Sep 29 01:13:04 i don't need to let it try to autobuild Sep 29 01:13:09 damn, forgot to rsync Sep 29 01:13:11 tictac: good luck, seriously... my cisco teacher is studying for his Sep 29 01:13:11 but the zip file portion is gone Sep 29 01:13:13 I can just build locally Sep 29 01:13:18 yokken: now you understand why my efforts have been away from the pre. :) Sep 29 01:13:18 :( Sep 29 01:13:19 can somebody without homebrew or themer access (but also logged in) verify that zip downloads don't work at http://www.precentral.net/webos-themes/sticker-theme ? Sep 29 01:13:20 and tell you what it will encounter when it builds Sep 29 01:13:25 yeah, seriously, holy crap. good luck dude. Sep 29 01:13:37 * dBsooner is a peon.. I will check Sep 29 01:13:55 download complete Sep 29 01:14:00 unless I am not a peon anymore? Sep 29 01:14:31 hrm. Sep 29 01:14:36 checking Sep 29 01:14:42 about to upgrade.. do i really need to remove patches/themes/etc first? Sep 29 01:14:49 i would Sep 29 01:15:26 i am going to lose 4x4 apps on launcher patch arnt I :( Sep 29 01:15:30 wh0dat: no Sep 29 01:15:31 thats the one i really like Sep 29 01:15:38 themes maybe. Sep 29 01:15:48 remove themes Sep 29 01:15:55 everything else is good Sep 29 01:16:05 i'm a hero on precentral Sep 29 01:16:10 the patches will just get overrwritten? Sep 29 01:16:17 i gave everyone a working link to the led notification patch Sep 29 01:16:51 lol Sep 29 01:17:10 * dBsooner should be a hero for whistle blowing and waking Dieter out of his drung induced slumber to take down the themes feed with 1.1 css/js files in them. Sep 29 01:17:11 wh0dat: yeah, your good. Sep 29 01:17:36 well the autobuilder... built Sep 29 01:18:09 @dbsooner I'm flushing caches on the site. You don't have any special access. link to the zip file here http://www.precentral.net/webos-themes/sticker-theme should not be visible to you now Sep 29 01:18:22 k Sep 29 01:18:29 clearning cache Sep 29 01:18:39 im not seeing any precentral themes listed in preware Sep 29 01:18:53 k Sep 29 01:18:54 sweet! Sep 29 01:18:55 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral-themes/ Sep 29 01:19:00 packages is blank Sep 29 01:19:08 oil - good deal, then removing the zip file was enough to make preware ignore the feed Sep 29 01:19:19 right Sep 29 01:19:20 nice Sep 29 01:19:44 I may have to reboot, snow leopard and my vpn app aren't playing nice and if the download is still visible at http://www.precentral.net/webos-themes/sticker-theme I will need to do some deeper coding junk. Sep 29 01:19:58 still visible Sep 29 01:20:05 just give me access. I'll fix it in no time Sep 29 01:20:09 roger that, dbsooner. rebooting Sep 29 01:20:13 10-4. Sep 29 01:20:38 :D Sep 29 01:20:51 sorry guys. Sep 29 01:20:55 oil what OS do you use Sep 29 01:21:07 windows on my desktop Sep 29 01:21:29 k nm then Sep 29 01:22:27 hmm Sep 29 01:22:39 prethemer has 144 themes Sep 29 01:22:40 jeez Sep 29 01:22:43 has anyone tried vacumming their SQLite dbs on the pre? Sep 29 01:22:54 I bet most don't install oil Sep 29 01:22:59 right Sep 29 01:23:02 i bet they fail because of that sed replacement Sep 29 01:23:05 i just think its crazy there is that many Sep 29 01:23:19 themes are easy once you have a base theme to build off of Sep 29 01:23:33 once a "themer" has built one, they just change things here and there for others Sep 29 01:23:37 getting a strange error on one of the dbs Sep 29 01:23:56 wb dbohn Sep 29 01:24:16 argh. stupid snow leopard and stupid macbook air Sep 29 01:24:33 oil: the 3 i installed didnt work correctly and left me with a half ass theme. Sep 29 01:24:34 Let me VNC and watch you program while drug induced. Sep 29 01:24:36 haha, macbook air Sep 29 01:24:59 dbohn: you use Sago networks there in tampa for any of your hosting? Sep 29 01:25:54 hey has anyone updated to 1.2.0 ota Sep 29 01:25:56 no our hosting is out of state Sep 29 01:26:09 Joesmith: most of us Sep 29 01:26:21 does terminal still work? Sep 29 01:26:25 dbohn: Cool.. I have a couple dedicated servers in the tampa center Sep 29 01:26:34 haven't tried.. as I am one that hasn't updated. Sep 29 01:26:35 :D Sep 29 01:27:01 does anyone know? Sep 29 01:27:10 works for me Sep 29 01:27:28 did you remove it before you updated? Sep 29 01:27:29 oh great it looks like I have a somewhat corrupt sqlite db on the pre Sep 29 01:27:33 no Sep 29 01:27:44 i only removed patches Sep 29 01:27:55 and didnt have a theme installed Sep 29 01:28:07 anyone comfortable with sqlite want to help me with debugging? I want to see if this is happening to more than one person Sep 29 01:28:21 does preware, quickinstall and the install via the sdk still work to install new apps? Sep 29 01:28:34 Joesmith yes Sep 29 01:28:34 why wouldnt it? Sep 29 01:28:43 idk Sep 29 01:28:49 duh oil.. cuz it's 1.2 now Sep 29 01:28:50 sheesh Sep 29 01:28:52 get with the program Sep 29 01:29:05 and quit being pissy Sep 29 01:29:08 :D Sep 29 01:29:25 they released a new sdk and I was wondering if the 1.1 sdk wouldnt instal it anymore Sep 29 01:29:35 will i lose my 4x4 icons on launcher after upgrading? Sep 29 01:29:36 bah. i cant seem to get the wifi to join my cisco ap. therefore, i cannot download 1.2 due to my airave coverage. Sep 29 01:29:36 not like they're going to completely change how apps are installed or anything Sep 29 01:29:39 any links to the official 1.2.0 jar ? Sep 29 01:29:54 ok downloads for zips in the theme gallery should be gone now. Sep 29 01:30:32 you sure? Sep 29 01:30:35 oh does virtual keyboard work? Sep 29 01:30:36 JaSonx, someone posted one before Sep 29 01:30:40 or is your narcotics playing tricks on you again? Sep 29 01:31:20 i cant find the offical on pre central Sep 29 01:31:31 looks good dbohn Sep 29 01:31:41 but your sentence there is a bit misleading Sep 29 01:32:33 good point, language updated Sep 29 01:33:01 the pre just bsod and rebooted. wtf? Sep 29 01:33:07 good show Sep 29 01:33:18 guerrilla: dbohn: good show Sep 29 01:34:21 ruh roh - anybody else getting a 504 timeout on pc? Sep 29 01:34:30 it's been goin slow Sep 29 01:34:37 jauderho: pic or it didnt happen. Sep 29 01:34:41 alright, on it Sep 29 01:34:52 * oil isnt getting any errors Sep 29 01:35:05 No errors, but it is a tad slow. Sep 29 01:35:27 I would love to see your hit count for before 3:30pm eastern and then after 3:30pm eastern. ;) Sep 29 01:35:31 a tad slow is to be expected at 3250 active users Sep 29 01:35:35 3250* Sep 29 01:35:38 shit Sep 29 01:35:43 i cant type a 6 can i? Sep 29 01:35:47 tictac: I'm more disturbed about the corrupt entries in the PalmDatabase.db3 Sep 29 01:35:47 nope Sep 29 01:35:48 oh, i can Sep 29 01:36:22 6 Sep 29 01:36:30 jauderho: time to dr it ;) Sep 29 01:36:52 yup, I agree with tictac, jauderho. Sep 29 01:37:06 trying to avoid having to do that =) Sep 29 01:37:08 ugh Sep 29 01:37:12 does the Virtual keyboard still work? Sep 29 01:37:19 I don't think ther eis much of an option when you have db issues Sep 29 01:37:39 Joesmith: IDK. It won't work after you upgrade, no. Sep 29 01:37:48 But I don't know if they udpated it for 1.2 compat yet or not. Sep 29 01:37:54 you broke your 6? Sep 29 01:38:03 It's a badd # to break, no? Sep 29 01:38:20 in other news, looks like the only sizable sqlite databases for apps on the pre for me are for evernote and prepod Sep 29 01:39:38 jauderho: I promise that won't be true much longer. Sep 29 01:39:40 prepod is win for sure Sep 29 01:39:54 that's for sure Sep 29 01:40:19 what's the standard exit status for 'ssh -v git@gitorious.org' ? Sep 29 01:40:22 browser cookies db is 1.1MB Sep 29 01:40:31 vacuuming that returns 900k Sep 29 01:40:51 hatt: if you use dropbear it's some silly code Sep 29 01:40:59 overall 1.2 seems snappier Sep 29 01:41:05 i can't upload my patch Sep 29 01:41:21 oil: hows the contact scrolling inside phone app? Sep 29 01:41:21 when i pull or push i get 'fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly' Sep 29 01:41:25 very snappy indeed Sep 29 01:41:28 or call log scrolling? Sep 29 01:41:35 I can't tell much. Sep 29 01:41:38 when i do the ssh -v i get 'debug1: Exit status 1' Sep 29 01:41:40 HattCzech: remote doesn't want to talk. Sep 29 01:41:53 seems ok Sep 29 01:41:55 HattCzech: it thinks you are a telemarketer. Sep 29 01:41:59 snappy here Sep 29 01:42:00 scrolling is faster for me Sep 29 01:42:02 oil: better than 1.1? Sep 29 01:42:02 hahah Sep 29 01:42:05 not that i ever scroll through that menu Sep 29 01:42:11 where is the jar? sorry. Sep 29 01:42:12 or ever scrolled through it before Sep 29 01:42:13 bah, unable to connect Sep 29 01:42:17 mine was jittery as hell on 1.1 Sep 29 01:42:17 dBsooner: can i make it think i'm NOT a telemarketer? Sep 29 01:42:24 HattCzech: *70 Sep 29 01:42:29 scrolling is A LOT better Sep 29 01:42:31 no.. *67 Sep 29 01:42:33 as an aside, I want to bitch about home owner associations. Sep 29 01:42:49 jauderho: me too :) Sep 29 01:42:50 some woman just came by to tell me that my buckets outside my house were "unsightly" Sep 29 01:42:54 jauderho: me three! Sep 29 01:42:56 WTF Sep 29 01:43:08 Mine charged me $300 in late fees AND put a lien on my mortgage Sep 29 01:43:11 saying I hadn't paid. Sep 29 01:43:11 HOAs are the worst thing ever Sep 29 01:43:15 it's an empty buck I use for washing my car that has been there for over 2 years Sep 29 01:43:20 they want to tell me now? Sep 29 01:43:21 jauderho, holy crap. put more buckets, but clean ones, and in a giant pyramid formation Sep 29 01:43:23 dBsooner: they're trying to do that to me right now Sep 29 01:43:34 I was like and you want me to do what? Sep 29 01:43:35 I was like.. umm.. check again Sep 29 01:43:47 Plus it's mostly hidden by bushes. Sep 29 01:43:52 I was flabergasted Sep 29 01:44:02 HOA = the devil Sep 29 01:44:26 rsync -vrtz --delete "/" ubuntu.home.dbtrunk.com::vi Sep 29 01:44:26 sion5backup/1.1.0 --exclude="/proc" --exclude="/tmp" --exclude="/var/run" --excl Sep 29 01:44:26 ude="/dev" Sep 29 01:44:28 anyone tried adding in their linkedin account? Sep 29 01:44:33 btw? Sep 29 01:44:34 can you all think of anything I missed in those excludes? Sep 29 01:44:37 I'm going to try now Sep 29 01:44:43 hey greeg Sep 29 01:44:46 greg* Sep 29 01:45:36 ciao, everybody Sep 29 01:45:43 syncing linkedin now Sep 29 01:45:58 thanks dbohn Sep 29 01:45:58 nvm Sep 29 01:46:08 You again proved, your da man. Sep 29 01:46:18 hope the back feels better. Sep 29 01:46:19 actually, has anybody gotten a 2nd download update for webOS 1.2? Sep 29 01:46:32 No? :D Sep 29 01:46:35 A couple of reports that people are getting the update a 2nd time, the 2nd time with a dl size of 152mb(!) Sep 29 01:46:36 you got one? Gimme. Sep 29 01:46:36 sync complete Sep 29 01:46:53 oil? check updates. Sep 29 01:46:54 There is another webosdoctor going around?? Sep 29 01:47:07 SKMOUT333: no he is saying the UPDATES is showing another download Sep 29 01:47:14 linkedin appears to work Sep 29 01:47:20 "reportedly" Sep 29 01:47:24 Wha!? Havent heard that Sep 29 01:47:26 who said ? Sep 29 01:47:31 btw to check if you have corrupt databases on your pre do the following. Sep 29 01:47:33 sqlite3 /usr/lib/luna/PalmDatabase.db3 .dump | sqlite3 /dev/null Sep 29 01:47:39 HattCzech: good to know Sep 29 01:47:48 Those of you with 1.2, go into updates and see if "Your phone is up to date." Sep 29 01:47:55 checking now Sep 29 01:47:58 if you get a bunch of SQL errors, you are a winner Sep 29 01:48:07 dBsooner, I'm not up to date..!!!.... Word Ace is old ;) Sep 29 01:48:14 awesome! Sep 29 01:48:30 dbohn: wasn't 152 the size of 1.1.0? Sep 29 01:48:50 yeah maybe, just weird. three reports of it in the tipline Sep 29 01:48:52 does anyone know if file browser still works Sep 29 01:48:53 zsoc: Ican't update word ace =( Sep 29 01:49:07 i think it's one report.. but your back is making you see 3. Sep 29 01:49:10 syncing linkedin... Sep 29 01:49:13 lol Sep 29 01:49:21 Its gonna downgrade you to 1.1 Sep 29 01:49:24 thatd be fun :P Sep 29 01:49:24 jauderho: what will that sqlite3 command do exactly? Sep 29 01:49:32 Go get some sleep.. if I get it, I'll call derek. ;) Sep 29 01:49:33 'your phone is up to date' Sep 29 01:49:34 ok, it'll wait until morning. I'm going to pass out. G'nite everybody! Sep 29 01:49:38 it just tries to dump the database Sep 29 01:49:42 for general interest i thought some of you might be interested to note that i did an upgrade with the tweaks still enabled and 1.2 came out just fine. Sep 29 01:49:42 dbohn, peace Sep 29 01:49:43 night dbohn, thank you again! Sep 29 01:49:54 and put it into another database (/dev/null in this instance) Sep 29 01:50:00 Greg_roll, you around? Sep 29 01:50:12 if your db is corrupt, it will throw errors while trying to dump the db Sep 29 01:50:14 ~seen geist Sep 29 01:50:16 geist is currently on #webos-internals (6d 1h 14m 26s). Has said a total of 65 messages. Is idling for 3h 8m 48s, last said: ':)'. Sep 29 01:50:18 no errors here. Sep 29 01:50:18 okay, so will /dev/null be something i need to delete after? Sep 29 01:50:29 ping geist Sep 29 01:50:29 So how am I sure if I have the latest webosdoctor or not? Sep 29 01:50:30 lol Sep 29 01:50:39 ~seen rwhitby Sep 29 01:50:40 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (2d 5h 7m 45s) #nslu2-linux (2d 5h 7m 45s), last said: 'so it would be easy to write a service which would hide all the homebrew apps from the palm install api, and then restore them again after you've installed an app from the app catalog ...'. Sep 29 01:50:40 uh oh, that was a lot of errors :/ Sep 29 01:50:42 HattCzech, I wouldn't try to rm /dev/null ;) Sep 29 01:50:45 if someone says their phone is STILL not up to date :P Sep 29 01:50:53 people keep saying ~seen rwhitby as if 10 days were up Sep 29 01:50:55 rwhitby: is on vacation for the next week. Sep 29 01:51:01 LOL Sep 29 01:51:04 I know Sep 29 01:51:05 lol Sep 29 01:51:06 /dev/null is unix for a black hole Sep 29 01:51:11 I just want to see how many its been Sep 29 01:51:16 ahhh sweet... never played with it much Sep 29 01:51:19 rm'ing /dev/null is like dividing by zero Sep 29 01:51:23 i got quite a few errors Sep 29 01:51:23 thats like the 4th time ive seen someone do that today Sep 29 01:51:29 SINGULARITY Sep 29 01:51:34 it judt wont work. heh Sep 29 01:51:34 SKMOUT333: you can check the md5 sums against the recorded ones for the various version sof the doctor on the wiki Sep 29 01:51:51 can i slap a > file at the end of that command? Sep 29 01:52:08 well this "unknown" phone update thats larger wouldnt be a webosdoctor yet huh? Sep 29 01:52:20 zsoc: but dividing by 0 just gives you infinity ;) Sep 29 01:52:35 HattCzech, no it doesn't... here watch... Sep 29 01:52:41 my pre should be smart enough to know that :) Sep 29 01:52:53 * zsoc divides by 0... Sep 29 01:52:58 hahahah Sep 29 01:53:10 LOL Sep 29 01:53:46 jauderho: so with all of my errors, how bad is that? Sep 29 01:53:54 mv oil /dev/null Sep 29 01:54:08 nonsense! Sep 29 01:54:16 hell if I know =) Sep 29 01:54:35 I'm just happy I'm not the only one with errors =) Sep 29 01:54:54 after a fresh update (ie the docor)? Sep 29 01:55:17 dear molly maiden i wish you were mine Sep 29 01:55:59 does anyone know if file browser still works? Sep 29 01:56:05 Greg_roll you around? Sep 29 01:56:15 HattCzech, update your ssh key to push to gitorious Sep 29 01:56:19 773 errors... and you, jauderho ? Sep 29 01:56:37 egaudet: i did update my key Sep 29 01:56:41 made a new one and everything Sep 29 01:56:47 probably around there. Sep 29 01:57:06 it's probably just shoddy code leaving dangling crap all over the place Sep 29 01:57:08 url = git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/modifications.git Sep 29 01:57:16 i got a lot of 'no such table: _Master' Sep 29 01:57:26 the question is how badly will this break things later. Sep 29 01:57:28 does anyone know if file browser still works? Sep 29 01:58:04 I have a ton of contacts which I am sure amplifies the problem Sep 29 01:58:25 egaudet: is there a way for me to test the connection? or where would i update that url? in the config file? Sep 29 01:58:32 question for people with exchange accounts linked to their pre, does the pre download the GAL? Sep 29 01:58:46 url is correct Sep 29 01:58:59 yea Sep 29 01:59:13 you remove your keys on gitorious and update them Sep 29 01:59:22 i removed the one i had Sep 29 01:59:33 made a new one, uploaded it, and tried again Sep 29 01:59:33 soo any update on file browser? Sep 29 01:59:45 and failed again :/ Sep 29 02:00:56 pasting many lines... Sep 29 02:01:02 debug1: Entering interactive session. Sep 29 02:01:04 Need SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMANDdebug1: client_input_channel_req: channel 0 rtype exit-status reply 0 Sep 29 02:01:05 debug1: channel 0: free: client-session, nchannels 1 Sep 29 02:01:07 Connection to gitorious.org closed. Sep 29 02:01:08 debug1: Transferred: stdin 0, stdout 0, stderr 37 bytes in 0.6 seconds Sep 29 02:01:10 debug1: Bytes per second: stdin 0.0, stdout 0.0, stderr 64.2 Sep 29 02:01:12 debug1: Exit status 1 Sep 29 02:01:50 there like 4 people with the 153mb update Sep 29 02:01:52 that's when i do 'ssh -v git@gitorious.org' Sep 29 02:01:54 apparently my brother in law caught swineflu Sep 29 02:01:56 lol Sep 29 02:02:00 hahahah Sep 29 02:02:12 it's just the flu... with a cooler name Sep 29 02:02:24 lol Sep 29 02:02:42 I broke my camera :< Sep 29 02:03:05 SMKOUT333: yep I just PM'ed you Sep 29 02:03:09 zsoc: that sucks... how old was it? and what did you do? Sep 29 02:03:27 it's not just the flu Sep 29 02:03:30 HattCzech, the camera app on my pre :P and i upgraded to 1.2 Sep 29 02:03:43 ohhh, that sucks more... Sep 29 02:03:49 is it safe to use the latest version of webos quick install to install preware on 1.2? Sep 29 02:03:59 yes Sep 29 02:04:18 why does everyone keep asking if its safe to install apps with WOQI or Preware? Sep 29 02:04:37 dBsooner: beats me Sep 29 02:04:41 shrug Sep 29 02:04:48 1.2 failed to validate for the 11th time. Sep 29 02:04:50 even if it wasn't safe, i'd still try it first :) hahah Sep 29 02:04:57 lol Sep 29 02:04:59 egaudet: you taking this one? http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/200660-preware-48.html#post1928059 Sep 29 02:05:00 xD Sep 29 02:05:41 egaudet: any other thoughts for getting git to work? Sep 29 02:05:48 (or anyone else for that matter) Sep 29 02:06:00 whats wrong with git? Sep 29 02:06:08 can't pull or push Sep 29 02:06:11 he's being hung up on Sep 29 02:06:26 So someone mentioned something about a blinking camera screen. Any ideas? Same issue here Sep 29 02:06:41 scroll about 5min back and you can see the 'ssh -v git@gitorious.org' output Sep 29 02:06:41 i am assuming people who wrote the patches are working on making them work with 1.2? Sep 29 02:06:46 crap i'm an idiot, i know what it is, sorry guys Sep 29 02:06:49 gkatsev: i'm trying Sep 29 02:06:51 gkatsev: kinda Sep 29 02:06:51 should be able to pull anonymously Sep 29 02:06:58 pushing requires having your ssh key setup Sep 29 02:07:02 did anything change with novacom on win7 with 1.2? webos quick install is no longer detecting my Pre Sep 29 02:07:07 dBsooner: kind of? Sep 29 02:07:11 oil yea Sep 29 02:07:13 done Sep 29 02:07:24 is there a page on the webos-internals wiki with the libpurple info Sep 29 02:07:26 hmmm Sep 29 02:07:38 gkatsev: it's not on the top of th elist of priorities, but I am sure someone is workin on them. Sep 29 02:07:43 'fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly' Sep 29 02:07:54 i'm doing this from my NAS, but i followed the same steps Sep 29 02:08:00 dBsooner: ok, makes sense. Sep 29 02:08:19 gkatsev: just slap egaudet and tell him to get busy. Sep 29 02:08:45 * yokken slaps egaudet around with a large trout Sep 29 02:09:18 * egaudet suffers amnesia and no longer remembers what a patch means Sep 29 02:09:35 oh that's right.. your a donkey puncher thing Sep 29 02:10:18 i forgot to remove the virtual keyboard before installation, it installed fine and now removal via preware works though the "app" itself doesnt Sep 29 02:10:29 gkatsev, what Sep 29 02:10:53 install vkb in 1.1.0, update to 1.2.0, uninstall Sep 29 02:11:11 egaudet: installed 1.2 without removal of it, it didnt work in 1.2, so, removed it via preware which didnt complain Sep 29 02:11:12 that should work fine, but install in 1.2.0 can't work (yet) Sep 29 02:11:21 right Sep 29 02:11:27 lol some noob put some source code on precentral straight from webos Sep 29 02:11:30 gkatsev, yep all that is expected Sep 29 02:11:31 bitchin him out via quote right now Sep 29 02:11:32 framework went from 191.15 to 200.18 Sep 29 02:11:41 egaudet: ok. cool Sep 29 02:11:48 yokken, link Sep 29 02:12:03 one moment Sep 29 02:12:16 internets goin slow Sep 29 02:12:21 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1928185&posted=1#post1928185 Sep 29 02:12:25 read the post above it Sep 29 02:13:19 lol he said you can use WOSQI to send it to your pre Sep 29 02:13:27 that's silly Sep 29 02:14:10 Whoa.. Sep 29 02:14:15 "Do not remove the battery." Sep 29 02:14:21 remove it Sep 29 02:14:23 saw that too Sep 29 02:14:33 That just SCREAMS remove me. Sep 29 02:15:02 he removed it, or someone did. Sep 29 02:16:14 heyyyy, led notifications work! Sep 29 02:16:26 without the hack? Sep 29 02:16:32 oh no Sep 29 02:16:34 with the hack Sep 29 02:16:35 heh Sep 29 02:16:40 see, your the hero Sep 29 02:17:17 download just failed for the 12th time Sep 29 02:17:20 I'm cursed. Sep 29 02:17:28 download? Sep 29 02:17:33 1.2 Sep 29 02:17:38 im trying to download the update but it says it cant connect Sep 29 02:17:41 mine downloaded at like 4pm Sep 29 02:17:44 probably server overload Sep 29 02:17:45 and then I told it to not isntall Sep 29 02:17:57 * oil consoles rick Sep 29 02:18:03 why not Sep 29 02:18:11 Cuz I wanted to rsync before Sep 29 02:18:15 then rsync after Sep 29 02:18:18 and compare the too Sep 29 02:18:19 two* Sep 29 02:18:27 rsync? Sep 29 02:18:29 and I wanted the updates IPK files Sep 29 02:18:38 so i can see how exactly they are applying the updates Sep 29 02:18:52 i see Sep 29 02:19:03 rsync is a fancy way to "sync" a file structure to a remote place or vice versa Sep 29 02:19:19 Has the SDK download sped up? Sep 29 02:21:36 sure has Sep 29 02:21:58 do people not update the webos-internals wiki much? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Development_%26_Tweak_Ideas this appears neglected Sep 29 02:22:22 wiki is updated all the time Sep 29 02:23:15 how do you talk trash to an iphone fanboy Sep 29 02:23:25 phiqtion, multitasking Sep 29 02:23:29 at least talk about the pros of the pre Sep 29 02:23:30 yokken: WOSQI? Sep 29 02:23:45 WebOS Quick Install Sep 29 02:23:47 WebOS Quick Installer Sep 29 02:23:54 ok Sep 29 02:24:05 dBsooner: whatever happened to the android initiative? Sep 29 02:24:06 cant apple easily fix multitasking just by updating? Sep 29 02:24:16 sampson: dunno Sep 29 02:24:17 i remember reading something back in january but i can't find crap anywhere about it past that Sep 29 02:24:18 phiqtion, well they haven't Sep 29 02:24:31 thought it was a bootloader something Sep 29 02:24:39 command Sep 29 02:25:37 i mean if you have the kernel config already for pre it should be pretty simple to recompile with the necessary modules for android and stop luna and start android from a chroot Sep 29 02:25:46 without reflashing or any of that stuff Sep 29 02:25:48 whats the best place for ringtones ppl? Sep 29 02:26:20 phiqtion: make them? Sep 29 02:26:46 I THINK the update is done? Sep 29 02:26:52 phone just rebooted Sep 29 02:27:03 once the progress bar fills it is updated Sep 29 02:27:07 1.2 OWNS! Sep 29 02:27:23 * dBsooner is fixing 4x4 icons first thing Sep 29 02:27:32 i'm on the phone with my girlfriend right now as i always am at night and it shows the call on the notifications bar, but now it shows how long i've been on the phone with her! Sep 29 02:28:14 lol Sep 29 02:28:15 * oil waits for dBsooner to hurry up and finish Sep 29 02:28:28 egaudet: ping Sep 29 02:28:34 * dBsooner is waiting for his pre to boot first Sep 29 02:28:40 I see they didn't fix boot time Sep 29 02:28:56 dBsooner: they cant "fix" boot time Sep 29 02:28:59 its not broken Sep 29 02:29:04 its 500mhz processor Sep 29 02:29:08 wtf do u expect Sep 29 02:29:14 he expects instant Sep 29 02:29:16 it to boot fsater? Sep 29 02:29:25 wasn't that obvious? Sep 29 02:29:29 dBsooner: its not gonna happen Sep 29 02:29:33 its imposible Sep 29 02:29:39 Negative nancy. Sep 29 02:30:03 I modified the more_icons_per_page to work with 1.2 Sep 29 02:30:08 it could be faster Sep 29 02:30:12 by one or two seconds Sep 29 02:30:15 you just dont notice Sep 29 02:30:16 what do I do with it now so other people don't have to? Sep 29 02:30:19 oil: yeah, dont load services Sep 29 02:30:20 that will make it faster Sep 29 02:30:27 remove functionality Sep 29 02:30:28 for boot time Sep 29 02:30:30 is it 4x4? Sep 29 02:30:35 dBsooner: yessir Sep 29 02:30:42 in .patch? Sep 29 02:30:47 yessir Sep 29 02:31:01 send it to me Sep 29 02:31:36 get it in the autopatcher Sep 29 02:31:38 PuffTheMagic, pong Sep 29 02:31:49 dBsooner: give me a minute to get it outta the phone Sep 29 02:31:51 egaudet: re: ping Sep 29 02:32:00 i don't have access to the autopatcher feed Sep 29 02:32:05 oh yea I had a git question Sep 29 02:32:26 i don't have git either... and i haven't looked to see if there was a 1.2 area for patches Sep 29 02:33:27 ohh, i have a git question too :) ahaa Sep 29 02:33:45 I got the rootfs in a local git tree tagged with v1.1.0 at the base, branch for the keyboard with many commits, I want to get 1.2.0 rootfs in there and then merge the keyboard branch with 1.2.0 changes. So I wanted to ask you the best way to go about it Sep 29 02:34:05 dBsooner: sending... Sep 29 02:34:25 nope, your firewall is broke Sep 29 02:34:33 dBsooner@vision5.com Sep 29 02:34:43 fark me.. hold plz Sep 29 02:34:48 egaudet: do you have a clean 1.2 tag? Sep 29 02:35:09 not yet, my git is still just the 1.1.0 and keyboard branch Sep 29 02:35:14 haven't put 1.2.0 in at all yet Sep 29 02:35:47 well then how do u expect to get keyboard on top of 1.2 if u dont even have a commit with 1.2? Sep 29 02:36:38 i need to look back over my clean messenger patch code lol Sep 29 02:36:41 dBsooner: all done Sep 29 02:36:48 i seem to have missed a step making it 1.2 sane Sep 29 02:36:49 ty edwindoebler Sep 29 02:36:54 oil, email? Sep 29 02:37:05 aye? Sep 29 02:37:20 forwarding you this patch Sep 29 02:37:29 * oil waits for it to make it into autopatch Sep 29 02:37:41 i don't have access to that feed Sep 29 02:37:50 plus I thought we were going to make a 1.2 branch Sep 29 02:38:24 PuffTheMagic, I'm asking how I should arrange it in your opinion Sep 29 02:38:52 should I go to the v1.1.0 tag, commit all the files on top of it and tag it v1.2.0 Sep 29 02:39:35 Puff doesn't believe in arrangement ;) Sep 29 02:39:43 zsoc: srfu Sep 29 02:39:47 stfu Sep 29 02:39:48 has anyone gone after the 'new page per conversation' patch? Sep 29 02:40:12 PuffTheMagic, oh stop, i was being playful :P Sep 29 02:40:15 the autopatch feed still has about 20 patch ipk that install on 1.2.0 Sep 29 02:40:16 egaudet: if you had a 1.2 tag you could just rebase the other branch Sep 29 02:40:20 egaudet: but since you dont Sep 29 02:40:30 its just as much work to reapply the patch to 1.2 Sep 29 02:40:31 oil: where's this autopatch feed? Sep 29 02:40:35 or you could cherry pick it Sep 29 02:40:45 or is that what egaudet is working on? Sep 29 02:41:01 since the keyboard is a branch, can't i put 1.2 on top of the 1.1 and then merge the branch Sep 29 02:41:20 that dont make sense Sep 29 02:41:21 HattCzech, I am working on that and you can use/test it if you want anytime Sep 29 02:41:28 i cant really picture what you have Sep 29 02:41:33 bring it on! :) Sep 29 02:41:47 i tested my updated character counter patch Sep 29 02:41:56 git branch Sep 29 02:42:00 master Sep 29 02:42:00 * onscreen-kb Sep 29 02:42:18 anyone played with the sdk 1.2? and did the emulator image change? Sep 29 02:42:25 i still see 1.1.0.19 Sep 29 02:42:25 I believe the master branch is tagged v1.1.0 and contains stock 1.1.0 rootfs files from doctor Sep 29 02:42:50 why did you create a branch? Sep 29 02:42:54 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all/ Sep 29 02:43:03 HattCzech, that is the feed, add it to preware and enjoy Sep 29 02:43:13 about 20 patches should fail to instlal on 1.2.0 until they are ported Sep 29 02:43:23 PuffTheMagic, because you suggested I do that way back when I created it Sep 29 02:43:29 egaudet: how do i convert my patch to ipk? Sep 29 02:43:47 HattCzech, you have a few options Sep 29 02:44:19 A) You package it however you like, with something like ipkg-utils (and hopefully use my generic postinst/prerm) Sep 29 02:44:33 hey guys webos doctor wont recognize my pre even with the big usb logo on the screen any ideas ? Sep 29 02:44:43 B) You update the existing patch in gitorious Sep 29 02:45:04 B continued) and then up the version in the bulid repo to get the autobuilder to build it and put it in autopatch Sep 29 02:45:28 C) you create a new autopatch/ project and follow the common/generic make/script methods Sep 29 02:45:39 D) you give it to me and I do B or C Sep 29 02:45:54 any ideas ? Sep 29 02:46:20 since git isn't working for me, i'd prefer to skip that method Sep 29 02:46:39 how do i create an autopatch project? Sep 29 02:46:57 (you haven't make a script that'll take a patch and make it an ipk? :) ) Sep 29 02:47:01 HattCzech, if it's a new patch (not already existing there)? Sep 29 02:47:09 s/if it's/is it/ Sep 29 02:47:10 egaudet meant: HattCzech, is it a new patch (not already existing there)? Sep 29 02:47:37 HattCzech, I have the framework that will take a patch and let the autobuilder make it an ipk :) Sep 29 02:47:40 the one i am currently referring to is the charcounter, which is up there, which i've updated for 1.2 Sep 29 02:48:25 ok so update it in gitorious (i know you can't want me to?) And then we can bump the version in the build.git repo and it will be updated within 15 minutes when autobuild goes Sep 29 02:48:31 i don't know how there are 9 versions, though ;) Sep 29 02:48:46 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=summary Sep 29 02:48:55 i think for patches, the names should be more standardized... Sep 29 02:49:04 that is the build repo, and autopatch/ subdir is the patch-ipk builds Sep 29 02:49:13 for example... this patch should be... messaging-character-counter Sep 29 02:49:19 the patch packages are org.webosinternals.patches. Sep 29 02:49:21 (after the org.webos...) Sep 29 02:49:28 and they have Categories so they will appear in the right category in preware Sep 29 02:49:31 can we get a "webOS 1.2 OK" on the wiki patch page? Sep 29 02:49:36 the name of the patch becomes only seen by the dev really Sep 29 02:49:55 yeah, but eventually if there are a shit ton of them, it'll be easier to sort Sep 29 02:50:11 there are already like 10 for messaging Sep 29 02:51:05 even better... org.webosinternals.patches.messaging.character-counter_version_all.ipk Sep 29 02:51:34 i was going to try some patches right now actually Sep 29 02:52:08 HattCzech, why do we want to sort the patch or package names? Sep 29 02:52:39 future use Sep 29 02:52:54 and for large numbers of patches Sep 29 02:53:04 HattCzech, your patch won't work Sep 29 02:53:07 that way you're not going through 100 patches to find one Sep 29 02:53:13 oh oh, what did i do? Sep 29 02:53:18 HattCzech, they are sorted nice on the gui (preware) Sep 29 02:53:30 but yea we can standardize the patch names Sep 29 02:53:48 (they are also sorted in directories on gitorious based on package, i.e. browser, messaging etc...) Sep 29 02:53:50 not trying to be difficult, just thought i'd be easier Sep 29 02:53:58 yea I know Sep 29 02:54:05 eventually we should do that Sep 29 02:54:12 might as well start now :) Sep 29 02:54:16 but back to the patch, it's not formed right Sep 29 02:54:20 while we're revamping the patches :) Sep 29 02:54:30 anyone know if switcharoo works? Sep 29 02:54:36 i didn't use quilt, but what's wrong with it? Sep 29 02:54:41 the diff header has (--- /usr/palm/app-original/...) Sep 29 02:54:49 app-original doesn't exist, patch will fail to apply Sep 29 02:54:59 I thought novacomd was only usb related? Sep 29 02:55:11 oh, shit.. i thought only the 2nd one mattered Sep 29 02:55:16 i changed that manually Sep 29 02:55:17 egaudet, can you make an autopatch out of this patch I have for 4x4 on 1.2? Sep 29 02:55:21 you want to create the diff from a/usr/palm/applications vs. b/usr/palm/applications Sep 29 02:55:26 HattCzech, let me verify Sep 29 02:55:31 hold on ill try to apply it dry-run Sep 29 02:55:45 dBsooner, yea give me a couple minutes though Sep 29 02:55:48 i patched mine using that file Sep 29 02:55:52 mmk Sep 29 02:55:54 seemed to work Sep 29 02:56:19 why is the download command orange+click instead of gesture+click? Sep 29 02:56:30 to make you open your keyboard Sep 29 02:56:31 ;) Sep 29 02:56:36 dBsooner: autopatch = an ipk? Sep 29 02:56:45 edwindoebler: yes Sep 29 02:56:49 and installable via preware Sep 29 02:56:50 zsoc: damn good question :) Sep 29 02:56:57 k, new to this side of things Sep 29 02:57:02 HattCzech, yea forget it i was mistaken Sep 29 02:57:12 is novacomd used during wifi like rsync? Sep 29 02:57:15 * zsoc patches the download command Sep 29 02:57:19 you were right Sep 29 02:57:31 doing rsync now and novacomd is about 45% cpu Sep 29 02:57:44 okay cool Sep 29 02:57:45 im rsyncing over wifi Sep 29 02:57:59 is your novacomd going hard? Sep 29 02:58:25 60% Sep 29 02:58:34 how do i add a feed to preware? Sep 29 02:58:59 hmagoo: nope Sep 29 02:59:06 hmagoo: I don't have usb connected though Sep 29 02:59:11 must be dev mode? Sep 29 02:59:16 wth Sep 29 02:59:21 i am almost always in dev mode Sep 29 02:59:31 HattCzech: you have to add a conf file Sep 29 02:59:33 wth is it doing? Sep 29 02:59:42 in /var/etc/ipkg/ Sep 29 02:59:43 ahh, so terminal use **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 29 02:59:58 2009