**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 01 02:59:56 2009 Oct 01 03:00:37 i'm glad i am amusing you Oct 01 03:00:50 google epic failed Oct 01 03:00:52 while i amuse you howbout you release a squarify the screen.ipk Oct 01 03:00:56 im going back to guessing Oct 01 03:01:05 ok your guesses were better than google anyway Oct 01 03:01:11 lol no you guys are doing great :) Oct 01 03:01:32 does anyone know what I need to read a .class file Oct 01 03:01:32 ? Oct 01 03:01:42 i know we are, pretty soon i'm going to code in launcher-opacity Oct 01 03:01:49 .class = java executable? Oct 01 03:01:50 I would assume a text editor would be able to, but my assumptions are worse than my guesses Oct 01 03:02:04 aka can you read java byte code? Oct 01 03:02:28 you could get a reverse engineer program for .class and itll give you some torn up source Oct 01 03:02:30 i haven't java coded in a while, but I didn't think it was compiled file Oct 01 03:03:00 .class is the byte code i'm pretty sure Oct 01 03:03:09 assuming all these tweaks pull from the same directory, there is a missing .patch file for the square screen Oct 01 03:03:26 yeah, he has gone AWOL and took squarify the screen with him! Oct 01 03:03:29 im gonna keep going with the launcher opacity project Oct 01 03:03:30 why would he do such things! Oct 01 03:03:40 okay launcher opacity go! yay! Oct 01 03:03:42 strings might work on .class? Oct 01 03:03:51 we will tackle the launcher @ signs Oct 01 03:03:55 yes we will Oct 01 03:04:00 who's he? jason isn't awol Oct 01 03:04:05 zsoc: evaluate this string Oct 01 03:04:12 ok Oct 01 03:04:14 @@ -5,6 +5 16 @@ Oct 01 03:04:16 here is my hunch Oct 01 03:04:27 its telling you what line and what character on the line to go to Oct 01 03:04:39 in the code Oct 01 03:04:49 that would make sense! Oct 01 03:04:52 he's done it again! Oct 01 03:04:54 remember the .patch file is a script that runs sans human interaction Oct 01 03:04:55 soooooooo Oct 01 03:05:09 we've almost done it! Oct 01 03:05:15 we are going to be teh WinnerZ! Oct 01 03:05:21 you need to test this theory by looking at the .css file and see if code that looks like this exists in those approximate locations Oct 01 03:05:31 booting up emulator now Oct 01 03:05:44 PreMan_, that's mostly correct, they are number ranges Oct 01 03:05:51 sshing Oct 01 03:06:05 I dont understand what the lines without the +,-, and @@ are Oct 01 03:06:11 hahahahha noone can stop me now W00T!!!! Oct 01 03:06:24 if you want to be really cool, you can apply the patch with gnu patch. Oct 01 03:06:26 .patch file is not a script Oct 01 03:06:27 This is one way to learn the pre Oct 01 03:06:28 haha Oct 01 03:06:30 i wouldn't do it, but it would make you cool Oct 01 03:06:37 and doesn't run Oct 01 03:06:39 yes! Oct 01 03:06:40 Actually, it's one way to learn linux ;) Oct 01 03:06:41 COOL YES! Oct 01 03:06:43 I can be cool! Oct 01 03:06:49 I've never been cool on this channel! Oct 01 03:07:01 just got git to fail on install Oct 01 03:07:07 I already know n00b linux, i'm assuming you mean haxx0r linux Oct 01 03:07:27 what is this gnu patch you speak of? Oct 01 03:07:59 someone explain: GNU Patch Oct 01 03:08:51 I like how we are being handed enough rope to hang ourselves with Oct 01 03:09:03 just stray comments about us being wrong :) Oct 01 03:09:10 you bet Scratch, couple more mins and my emulator will be BRICKED! Oct 01 03:09:14 yeah w00t! Oct 01 03:09:16 PreMan_: Patch takes a patch file containing a difference listing produced by the diff program and applies those differences to one or more original files, producing patched versions. Oct 01 03:09:46 diff!!!! i knew that looked familiar! Oct 01 03:09:57 See, you are one step ahead of me Oct 01 03:10:32 Im happy with my near-accurate guessing Oct 01 03:10:39 PreMan_, http://linux.die.net/man/1/patch Oct 01 03:10:42 True understanding is overrated Oct 01 03:10:59 zsoc: but patch doesnt work in this case right? cuz 1.2 is different? Oct 01 03:11:05 different original code therefore diff fail? Oct 01 03:11:48 PreMan_, patch being broken would be a big issue, someone should call Larry Wall ;) Oct 01 03:11:56 I would think if you could find the referenced file, edit the patch, and run it, it would work Oct 01 03:12:08 someone get larry on the line! Oct 01 03:12:14 So wait does 1.2 update itself twice? Oct 01 03:12:22 huh? Oct 01 03:12:27 lol i meant not that its a patch fail, but its a .patch file fail Oct 01 03:12:34 Am I screwed if I forgot that detail and had tweaks and the keyboard patch installed? Oct 01 03:12:34 Yes, more accurate Oct 01 03:12:35 only for some people Oct 01 03:12:54 PreGame, honestly, I have no idea why, or what you're doing, but probably the only is the file or folder names changed in 1.2, probably nothing to do with the actualy syntax Oct 01 03:13:25 PreGame Jock Jams YEA! Oct 01 03:13:25 thats what I'm saying Oct 01 03:13:37 thats what we're all saying Jock Jams is the best cd ever Oct 01 03:13:40 what we need here is someone to tell us where that html file is Oct 01 03:13:52 and .css Oct 01 03:14:08 i found the .css Oct 01 03:14:11 i'm editing it Oct 01 03:14:28 was it in the same location? Oct 01 03:14:36 yes Oct 01 03:14:41 thats odd Oct 01 03:15:01 poop.... my emulator isnt running 1.2 Oct 01 03:15:44 let me see if I have the new SDK installed Oct 01 03:15:47 Fail fail fail.... 1.2 will take forever to download Oct 01 03:16:17 ugh, its bedtime! Oct 01 03:16:20 but its only 200+ mb Oct 01 03:16:31 but I have class tomorrow and its past my bedtime! Oct 01 03:16:35 Am I screwed if I forgot that it updates twice sometimes and it did, and I had tweaks and the keyboard patch installed? Everything seems ok it just seems like the tweaks are all uninstalled. Oct 01 03:16:39 poop we have lost, we have lost Oct 01 03:16:52 but there is still hope! Oct 01 03:17:04 Scratch, you have guessed so well tonight, I believe in you! Oct 01 03:17:25 by the time I get the chance to guess more, Jason will have fixed everything Oct 01 03:17:41 and provided us with the easy/lazy/simple workaround Oct 01 03:17:43 I will return tomorrow sometime.... and I will come here and ask the people about the great battle and how Scracth59 fought so hard and now there is a simple way to do "SQUARIFY the screen" and "OPACITY" Oct 01 03:18:01 yes Scratch but you have to fight for this to happen asap! only you can do it! Oct 01 03:18:13 "Simple" huh? Oct 01 03:18:28 you are failing to remember that we have't even edited a file yet Oct 01 03:18:31 you will inspire Jason to do these things fast by fighting through this and making it work on your emulator Oct 01 03:18:42 Seriously. What is going on. Oct 01 03:18:43 i edited the file on the wrong version of the emulator Oct 01 03:19:11 zsoc IS ON TO US! Oct 01 03:19:14 I must run! Oct 01 03:19:23 Scratch you keep fighting! Oct 01 03:19:28 later Oct 01 03:19:31 by tomorrows end, we will have OPACITY and SQUARIFY! Oct 01 03:19:35 I might now try to understand some of this coding Oct 01 03:19:37 and zsoc will be amazed! Oct 01 03:19:49 you go SCRATCH59!!! Go forth from here and win! Oct 01 03:19:56 if we have that, I will be amazed Oct 01 03:20:01 Goodnight Scratch, and good luck! I believe in you! Oct 01 03:20:16 remember, whether we do it or jason does it, we inspired it! Oct 01 03:20:30 by tomorrows eve, let us fight for this deadline GOODNIGHT!!!!!! I BELIEVE! Oct 01 03:20:54 Im gonna use internalz to see where these files are Oct 01 03:21:10 *encrypts Scratch59 PreMan_ conversation with SHA-1 so zsoc can't catch on Oct 01 03:21:24 * PreMan_ encrypts Scratch59 PreMan_ conversation with SHA-1 so zsoc can't catch on Oct 01 03:21:49 hahahahhahahahhahahahahhaha i'll one-way hash it too if you don't watch yourself Oct 01 03:22:04 SHA-1 SHA-1 goodnight Oct 01 03:22:06 */me leaves Oct 01 03:22:38 If it wasn't so spammy it might be amusing. Oct 01 03:22:38 so does anyone have suggestions? Oct 01 03:22:49 Scratch59, what in world are you trying to do again? Oct 01 03:22:49 are we on the right track Oct 01 03:22:59 I'm not trying to do anything Oct 01 03:23:09 I was merely enabling Oct 01 03:23:20 Whats the default dropbear password Oct 01 03:23:25 He wants to squarify his screen Oct 01 03:23:33 and change his opacity Oct 01 03:23:37 and doesn't want to wait Oct 01 03:23:54 so I extracted the QI jar and looked at the .patch files in it Oct 01 03:24:05 and deduced what was happening behind the scenes Oct 01 03:24:06 lance1233, the default dropbear password is the password you created for your user when you ran the script Oct 01 03:24:15 well its not letting me login. Oct 01 03:24:27 lance1233, why not? Oct 01 03:24:38 Idk. Oct 01 03:24:44 does anyone have a pre running internalz on 1.2? Oct 01 03:24:51 Scratch59, that sounds like a decent idea. like i mentioned before, it probably works the same way. if you can get in touch with jason he could prolly fix it.. er.. instantly Oct 01 03:24:54 Would the update happening for a second time screw shit up? Oct 01 03:25:26 #1: Thats the easy way out... I am learning more by digging Oct 01 03:25:36 hey oil you know why i get an error when runnign Oct 01 03:25:40 /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.preware Oct 01 03:25:52 \An error ocurred, return value: 4. Oct 01 03:26:09 Cannot find package org.webosinternals.preware. Oct 01 03:26:10 there was supposed to be a #2, but it skipped my mind Oct 01 03:27:14 ok if i forgot my password can i just root it and change it Oct 01 03:27:24 obvious its a yes Oct 01 03:27:24 but how do i change it Oct 01 03:27:41 and is there a way to see what it is currently because I don't think i forgot it. Oct 01 03:29:40 does anyone have internalz running on 1.2? Oct 01 03:29:54 I just installed it Oct 01 03:30:02 is it working Oct 01 03:30:02 ? Oct 01 03:30:06 so far Oct 01 03:30:15 can I use you to check if a file exists? Oct 01 03:30:19 I haven't created/deleted anything Oct 01 03:30:24 but it lists files Oct 01 03:30:33 thats all I need Oct 01 03:31:40 usr Oct 01 03:31:44 lib Oct 01 03:31:53 luna/system Oct 01 03:32:05 so far so good? Oct 01 03:32:10 yup Oct 01 03:32:20 luna-applauncher Oct 01 03:32:29 app/views Oct 01 03:32:36 launcher Oct 01 03:32:36 hehe oil I think the preware thread is going to get flooded now sorry Oct 01 03:32:41 atlanta, that command doesn't seemed formed correctly, you need a valid location Oct 01 03:33:12 so far so good? Oct 01 03:33:25 has anyone tested the Roam Control Patch listed on the autopatch feed with 1.2? Oct 01 03:33:32 there should be a file launcher-scene.html Oct 01 03:33:52 WillJitsu, I like the app that does it Oct 01 03:34:02 much easier, and its in the launcher Oct 01 03:34:08 works like a chaaaaaarm in 1.2 Oct 01 03:34:20 zsoc: thanks i found the ipk file online just did it taht way Oct 01 03:34:58 JackieRipper, did you use preware to install internalz? Oct 01 03:35:09 Scratch59: yes Oct 01 03:35:26 and it worked huh? Oct 01 03:35:30 yup Oct 01 03:35:33 WillJitsu, roam control is confirmed OK in 1.2 according to the wiki Oct 01 03:35:34 maybe I need to remove it and reinstall it Oct 01 03:35:39 first the service than the app Oct 01 03:35:57 Scratch59: oh I thought that app worked in conjunction with the patch Oct 01 03:36:07 zsoc: thank you Oct 01 03:36:16 maybe it does, but I removed all patches before the update Oct 01 03:36:20 and then installed the app Oct 01 03:36:38 I think all the patch does is enable roaming option to show in the settings scene Oct 01 03:36:58 and the app takes that interface and makes it a little smoother Oct 01 03:37:06 the app doesn't even open anything Oct 01 03:37:19 you just click it in the launcher and it changes the status Oct 01 03:38:16 gotcha. I had the app in 1.1 and loved it, but I thought I had to install the patch before I used the app with 1.2. I'll go ahead and download the app now. Oct 01 03:38:45 I am 99% sure it will work independent of the app Oct 01 03:38:47 What's the point of that roam app? Oct 01 03:38:50 patch* Oct 01 03:38:55 egaudet: just a fast way to toggle Oct 01 03:39:00 the roam patch adds the control where it belongs Oct 01 03:39:13 1 click versus open the phone app, going to preferences, changing the menu, etc. Oct 01 03:39:14 why do you need a "fast" toggle Oct 01 03:39:17 the app adds it in a more accessible location Oct 01 03:39:23 b/c we are lazy and like speed :) Oct 01 03:39:33 when I drive home from work, I turn it on Oct 01 03:39:39 when I get home, I turn it off Oct 01 03:39:47 when driving, I dont want to do the 7 step process Oct 01 03:39:47 lol i see Oct 01 03:39:51 I want a 1 step Oct 01 03:39:56 do it before start driving Oct 01 03:39:59 lol Oct 01 03:40:01 :P Oct 01 03:40:24 If I wanted to think ahead and not make life easy, I would have an iPhone Oct 01 03:40:33 but I have a pre, and everything is easier with a pre Oct 01 03:40:36 :) Oct 01 03:40:39 Alright well here's what happened after the update got applied. My users got deleted but dropbear is still installed Oct 01 03:41:15 lance1233, seems unlikely. what happens when you su ? Oct 01 03:41:50 Scratch59, you should make a cronjob that sets you into roam-only automagically when the phone detects the ssid of your home wireless network Oct 01 03:41:53 su = switch user Oct 01 03:41:58 unknown user Oct 01 03:42:04 I don't understand why people still SSH into their devices Oct 01 03:42:19 Scratch59, because sometime's its the best option by far? Oct 01 03:42:29 but why not just use the novaterm Oct 01 03:42:32 simple Oct 01 03:42:34 effective Oct 01 03:42:40 needs usb Oct 01 03:42:41 I'm on Novaterm right now Oct 01 03:42:47 because I cant ssh Oct 01 03:42:51 Scratch59, i find SSH to be faster and less buggy, whether over usbnet or wifi Oct 01 03:42:54 because my user got deleted for some reason Oct 01 03:43:02 and not as reliable and trusted as ssh Oct 01 03:43:07 ahhhh yes the wifi thing Oct 01 03:43:07 any good palm pre compatible websites? Oct 01 03:43:15 x.facebook.com lol Oct 01 03:43:20 I don't know about reliability and trust Oct 01 03:43:31 phiq, aren't all non-flash websites palm pre compatible? :P Oct 01 03:43:42 Why would my user get deleted though Oct 01 03:43:49 lance1233, it shouldn't have Oct 01 03:43:59 well..there is only root Oct 01 03:44:01 with the iphone user agent patch, ifap.to is a good site to hit up Oct 01 03:44:34 its not comp with ptr Oct 01 03:44:42 pre Oct 01 03:44:50 * zsoc Scratch59 if you're talking porn, allmobileporn.com is natively compatible Oct 01 03:44:51 when you spoof the iphone user agent it is Oct 01 03:45:13 well there you have it Oct 01 03:45:58 I happen to know the guy who built it is banking on that fact. Otherwise I know very little about it. Oct 01 03:46:03 I think I need to do an OSDoctor restore on my device Oct 01 03:46:44 can someone else run a quick test for me? Oct 01 03:46:49 sure Oct 01 03:46:49 hm? Oct 01 03:47:05 use universal search Oct 01 03:47:09 search for: Oct 01 03:47:18 700 c wheels Oct 01 03:47:18 just as I typed it Oct 01 03:47:25 tell me if the 7 becomes an x Oct 01 03:47:33 nope Oct 01 03:47:39 im in dev mode too Oct 01 03:47:44 not like it would matter Oct 01 03:47:50 mine does Oct 01 03:47:53 has since I got it Oct 01 03:47:54 it doesn't become an x if i force it with orange Oct 01 03:48:03 otherwise it becomes x@@ Oct 01 03:48:19 ive restored mine with webosdoctor on multiple other occasions Oct 01 03:48:35 I have other coworkers that see the same thing I do Oct 01 03:48:41 if I type 700 c Oct 01 03:48:51 it changes to x00 c Oct 01 03:48:54 when you can 700, are you hitting orange to force numbers? Oct 01 03:49:00 s/can/say Oct 01 03:49:02 regardless of whether I force it Oct 01 03:49:06 very odd Oct 01 03:49:32 ok Oct 01 03:49:34 so NOW Oct 01 03:49:39 I changed NOTHING Oct 01 03:49:42 * zsoc thinks 700 c wheels is a buffer overflow exploit Scratch59 is trying to get everyone to type in Oct 01 03:49:45 and it works Oct 01 03:50:01 that makes no sense Oct 01 03:50:05 Im happy Oct 01 03:50:05 wait shit mine changes to x@@ Oct 01 03:50:09 I was forcing it Oct 01 03:50:13 Scratch59: how do you spoof the iphone user agent Oct 01 03:50:15 neither does english, but i speak it Oct 01 03:50:22 Phiqtion: webosquick install Oct 01 03:50:45 quickinstall aint compatible with 1.2 correct? Oct 01 03:51:27 any idea how to disable widi ssh? Oct 01 03:51:56 I edited the /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear Oct 01 03:52:08 Joesmith: make a strong password and don't worry Oct 01 03:52:13 changed eth0 to usb0 Oct 01 03:52:49 Hey all Oct 01 03:52:54 If I already have optware installed manually is it bad if I want to run the script from the wiki to create the user for me? Oct 01 03:53:36 paranoid is tame when describing me Oct 01 03:53:58 I did it once before Oct 01 03:54:43 now after the webosdoctor it doesnt seem to work Oct 01 03:54:49 joesmith: lol dump pre get prepaid phone paid with cash Oct 01 03:55:02 I have two Oct 01 03:55:05 :D Oct 01 03:55:07 hahahahah Oct 01 03:55:31 lance1233, er.. just addusr? Oct 01 03:55:38 haha i can't remember it all lol Oct 01 03:55:53 adding to the sudoers i don't remember where it is Oct 01 03:56:07 visudo or some shit idk can't remember it all Oct 01 03:57:18 Anyone ever though of changing the shortcut from the launcher on the wave bar to the phone? then just changing the icon? Thus being able remove the real phone app icon from the wave bar and add something else? Oct 01 03:58:02 MLJones8, for some reason that isn't feasable Oct 01 03:58:06 i remember why Oct 01 03:58:13 s/remember/don't remember Oct 01 03:58:19 egaudet: ping? Oct 01 03:58:23 psychic Oct 01 03:58:26 dam Oct 01 03:58:31 lol Oct 01 03:58:31 MLJones8: you can take the phone app off of the wave bar Oct 01 03:58:32 this sucks i installed the video recorder test ipk Oct 01 03:58:35 and the icon doesnt show up Oct 01 03:58:36 zsoc: hmm Oct 01 03:58:45 it did previously Oct 01 03:58:45 MLJones8: it's just like any other app Oct 01 03:58:45 :( Oct 01 03:58:54 sportman, wait for the next version Oct 01 03:58:55 JackieRipper: I know.. but I do use my pre as a phone too Oct 01 03:58:55 ooo nvm its here now Oct 01 03:59:01 zsoc: do you know when that is? Oct 01 03:59:09 ps whats the on button do? do i wanna hit on then record? Oct 01 03:59:22 egaudet: you going to post up that FYM install and launch autopatch tonight? Oct 01 03:59:25 ah nvm thats the light Oct 01 03:59:50 sportman, well, either when i bother to get around fixing the stop button and getting this x264 encoder working, or when Jason has a second to do it. he has like 100 other projects hto Oct 01 03:59:52 *tho Oct 01 03:59:53 egaudet: I want to get in on the PC.net thread action and get some more patches made. I am on Ubuntu Karmic now. :D Oct 01 04:00:06 fair enough zsoc :) Oct 01 04:00:15 MLJones8: I'm confused. What do you want to do? I thought you wanted to move the phone off of the wave bar and replace it with something else Oct 01 04:00:16 so if it doesnt stop Oct 01 04:00:20 how do ou get it to stop? Oct 01 04:00:24 JackieRipper: The point would be to free up the spot where the phone app is on the wave bar (by putting it where the lancher is) Oct 01 04:00:25 do i have to kill it through novaterm Oct 01 04:00:31 or just swip the app away? Oct 01 04:00:36 sportman, i fix the shell script that was written incorrectly Oct 01 04:00:38 ahhh Oct 01 04:00:40 JackieRipper: becuase the launcher can't be removed. Oct 01 04:00:49 sportman, oh, you mean for now? er.. yeah not sure honestly, i didn't write it Oct 01 04:00:50 yeah Oct 01 04:00:54 and can be accessed via an up-swipe as you very well know Oct 01 04:00:58 dBsooner, what the heck is FYM Oct 01 04:00:59 lol Oct 01 04:01:09 For Your Mom Oct 01 04:01:09 the autopatch-feed package is UP on pym :D Oct 01 04:01:13 that was supposed to be PYM Oct 01 04:01:23 any idea how to disable eth0 login Oct 01 04:01:25 haven't announced anything on PC.net yet, but posted teasers in preware thread and got people riled up Oct 01 04:01:36 egaudet, what is pc.net? Oct 01 04:01:39 precentral Oct 01 04:01:43 egaudet: You better hurry before I beat you to it. :D Oct 01 04:01:45 hrmm Oct 01 04:01:45 brb Oct 01 04:01:50 egaudet: isn't the Autopatcher feed in the app launcher section? Oct 01 04:02:02 egaudet: Any patch in particular you want me to fix/add right now? Oct 01 04:02:16 dBsooner, check the pulse of precentral Oct 01 04:02:26 oh Oct 01 04:02:28 url me.. Oct 01 04:02:32 I am lazy tonight. Oct 01 04:02:36 MLJones8, what do you mean app launcher section? Oct 01 04:02:45 u think they will come out with usb drive mode without turning off the phone? Oct 01 04:02:48 dbsooner are you from oklahoma? Oct 01 04:02:49 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/ Oct 01 04:03:07 you should call it aunt minnie .net ;) Oct 01 04:03:16 Has messaging landcsape been added? Oct 01 04:03:18 gah i need smplayer lol Oct 01 04:03:24 nm.. let me check modifications Oct 01 04:03:26 to think i thought vlc was the beall end all Oct 01 04:03:50 egaudet: under Availaible Applications... I thought I saw the auto feed... and it appears the word is spreading around precentral that it is. Oct 01 04:03:53 sportman, vlc is ok, the problem is palms video encoder is ridiculously mostly useless, it's more of a proof of concept. Oct 01 04:04:20 lol Oct 01 04:04:21 ahh Oct 01 04:04:28 whats the diff between smplayer Oct 01 04:04:29 and mplayer? Oct 01 04:04:33 MLJones8: you are getting the two confused Oct 01 04:04:40 MLJones8: autoPATCH is a feed. :D Oct 01 04:04:53 night all Oct 01 04:05:01 dbsooner are you from oklahoma? Oct 01 04:05:03 dBsooner: the description is "Add auto patch feed to ipkg feeds" Oct 01 04:05:04 MLJones8: we added it to Preware as a patch. Oct 01 04:05:10 Joesmith: Tulsa/Broken Arrow. Oct 01 04:05:16 no way Oct 01 04:05:23 MLJones8, oh yea it's there Oct 01 04:05:30 MLJones8: yeah.. you missed the work PATCH. :D Oct 01 04:05:31 are you ivan on precentral? Oct 01 04:05:40 Joesmith: no. I am dBsooner. Oct 01 04:05:46 Joesmith; formally DeCiBEL Oct 01 04:05:57 I live in tulsa too Oct 01 04:06:00 dBsooner, it's not a patch Oct 01 04:06:01 I live in BA Oct 01 04:06:06 it's a script wrapped in an ipk Oct 01 04:06:17 egaudet: self-removing? Oct 01 04:06:23 no Oct 01 04:06:28 removing removes the feed Oct 01 04:06:37 egaudet: I know.. He wrote "add auto feed to ipkg feeds" earlier Oct 01 04:06:39 So those who didn't echo the the Autopatcher Feed in... can get it from the Available Apps section... then they can get the patches... Right? I'm not sure as you all were kind enough to share the feed with me. Oct 01 04:06:39 we should get a pre meet up group or something I dont know anyone who has a pre Oct 01 04:06:46 egaudet: and I said, you forgot the work patch in there. Oct 01 04:06:56 dBsooner, that's the description of the autopatch-feed package that is in preware Oct 01 04:07:03 oh Oct 01 04:07:05 oh Oct 01 04:07:10 MLJones8: anyone can install it.. if you alrady have it, it will fail. Oct 01 04:07:13 I mean not fail.. Oct 01 04:07:17 but just won't "do anything" Oct 01 04:07:32 well Oct 01 04:07:36 oh man Oct 01 04:07:39 as long as you echo'd it into autopatch.conf Oct 01 04:07:42 you didn't write error correction Oct 01 04:07:46 lol Oct 01 04:07:47 i don't know what would happen if you had duplicate conf files Oct 01 04:07:50 only had one patch not want to install, was the battery % and icon patch Oct 01 04:07:52 you check for autopatch.conf first Oct 01 04:07:57 so far Oct 01 04:08:00 do arrow keys not work in nano in novaterm? Oct 01 04:08:06 dBsooner, check for it? heh no i force remove it Oct 01 04:08:08 egaudet: it would add dual feeds of the same thing Oct 01 04:08:24 dBsooner: I'm not looking for any support nor do I have a question... egaudet commented about the pulse of precentral.. with his teaser.. I commented that they are also downloading patches not just being teased. Oct 01 04:08:33 any idea how to disable eth0 (wifi) access Oct 01 04:08:38 Can anyone confirm or deny the working of messaging AND/OR email rotation in AUTOPATCH? Oct 01 04:08:49 It worked yesterday Oct 01 04:08:50 email did Oct 01 04:08:51 dBsooner: email works. Oct 01 04:08:52 Joesmith: what do you mean? Oct 01 04:08:52 not message Oct 01 04:09:00 OK. Oct 01 04:09:04 not allow ssh through wifi Oct 01 04:09:08 I am going to go make messaging rotate real quick Oct 01 04:09:08 lance1233: message works Oct 01 04:09:10 MLJones8, yea those users musta went digging hehe Oct 01 04:09:17 I edited the /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear Oct 01 04:09:21 email landscape patch works fine Oct 01 04:09:22 Joesmith: what do you want to SSH through then? Oct 01 04:09:26 usb Oct 01 04:09:51 dBsooner: messaging orientation works already as well. Oct 01 04:10:09 first off, uninstall dropbear and install openssh.. I am better with it. (Joesmith) Oct 01 04:10:13 egaudet: I see... that'll be sure to give you all a ton of fun. Oct 01 04:10:48 so... they VKB works and installs great, what is the status on the things that were in the download in browser patch like the landscape url field and the navigation shortcuts Oct 01 04:11:01 dunno hmagoo. Oct 01 04:11:09 I am just getting on for the first time since last night. Oct 01 04:11:33 egaudet made me install Ubuntu last night so I am kinda disoriented after spending all day with my girl's at their school. Oct 01 04:12:21 Anyone know of some cool Themes/Skins for Gnome? Oct 01 04:12:31 I am sick of this dull old school grey sh!t. Oct 01 04:14:29 hmagoo, i think fritos is working on it Oct 01 04:14:34 but i dunno how much time he has with school Oct 01 04:14:46 i dunno, i've messaged him in the past but Oct 01 04:14:58 compiz Oct 01 04:15:17 compiz-fusion? Oct 01 04:15:19 dBsooner, compiz is awesome Oct 01 04:15:24 and it will steal all your time away Oct 01 04:15:30 lol Oct 01 04:15:34 i think i can get a hold og him what are you guys askig about Oct 01 04:16:07 i think the browser patch Oct 01 04:16:19 splitting it up into it's smaller parts like landscape url etc... Oct 01 04:16:25 browser download? Oct 01 04:16:31 i know he said he was working on it at one time Oct 01 04:16:51 Jack87, yea it currently is many patches into one I believe, well many functional things into one Oct 01 04:17:42 gotcha... usualy he gets back to me fast at the momment i have not herd from him.. must be busy Oct 01 04:18:00 egaudet: will you let me know when you decide to announce on PC.net? I want my name in there. hehe. Oct 01 04:19:14 yea I'll announce tomorrow or friday Oct 01 04:19:25 when i can think straight and have the desire to type long paragraphs that people will all ignore Oct 01 04:21:19 hrmm Oct 01 04:21:26 so smplayer crashes when i try launching the pre video Oct 01 04:21:31 is 9mb to small to be a real video? Oct 01 04:23:45 that's the size Oct 01 04:25:37 can virtualbox do RDA? Oct 01 04:25:40 Raw Disk Access? Oct 01 04:26:02 In other words, can I have VirtualBox boot my other 60GB system partition that has Win7 on it? Oct 01 04:26:27 fritos has all of his patches in that "landscape message" thread on various hosting sites, which is one of the reasons I asked. Oct 01 04:27:04 hmagoo: what do you mean? Oct 01 04:27:12 one minute Oct 01 04:27:19 any ideas how to not allow ssh through wifi and only usb Oct 01 04:27:20 hmagoo: if there are patches listed in threads that aren't in our autopatch feed, let me know. Oct 01 04:27:23 I can add them no problem. Oct 01 04:27:29 Joesmith: I told ya earlier Oct 01 04:27:43 I know I am just probing Oct 01 04:27:44 Joesmith: uninstall dropbear and install openssh first. Oct 01 04:27:49 :D Oct 01 04:27:52 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200548-i-got-patch-messaging-landscape.html Oct 01 04:28:19 hmagoo: I don't have time right now to read that whole thread and compare. Do you know of any patches in particular that are listed there that aren't in autopatch? Oct 01 04:29:06 :( Oct 01 04:29:09 no, that is just the reason why I asked about download-in-browser leftovers Oct 01 04:29:09 stupid video not playing Oct 01 04:29:11 egaudet: can you think of any HUGE downside to deleting my "documents" directory and symlink'ing it to my Win7 Users dir on a 3rd DATA partition? Oct 01 04:29:14 dBsooner, VirtualBox does not have access to any hardware directly Oct 01 04:29:19 it's all virtualized Oct 01 04:29:36 egaudet: Right. But VMWare Server 1.0 had access to RDA. Oct 01 04:29:37 i have no idea what you just said Oct 01 04:29:48 can't you pass some USB hardware direct to virtualbox? I know VMware can Oct 01 04:29:53 egaudet: you know how ~/ is on the linux drive Oct 01 04:30:07 dBsooner, we talking about your local machine? Oct 01 04:30:17 i want to link ~/ to /media/storage/Users/DBeames/ Oct 01 04:30:32 which is D:\Users\Dbeames\ in windows Oct 01 04:30:40 which is my "windows 7" users dir Oct 01 04:31:01 hmagoo, egaudet i got a hold of fritos i let him know you guys needed him Oct 01 04:31:01 can you think of a downside to doing that? basically relocating my USERDIR to a different partition. Oct 01 04:31:11 I don't know what the state of ntfs writing from linux is Oct 01 04:31:21 yeah, that's the only thing I worried about. Oct 01 04:31:21 egaudet, works fine for me Oct 01 04:31:33 thanks jack Oct 01 04:31:36 Cool.. I'll just symlink my documents dir Oct 01 04:31:51 actually, nah. no symlinking to an ntfs dir Oct 01 04:31:52 scary Oct 01 04:31:52 I'm still lost Oct 01 04:32:07 wooo i got a video to record! Oct 01 04:32:09 you have your windows partition mounted to /media/storage ? Oct 01 04:32:17 somone just found an easter egg in the clock app... not of much use but heres the url: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/206218-clock-easter-eggs-sixtyten-4231-a.html Oct 01 04:32:21 dbsooner, just put your windows7 documents folder as a favorite and leave the rest alone Oct 01 04:32:52 hmagoo: not that easy when I am trying to use some data from my documents dir in WINE Oct 01 04:33:06 favorite only works for native linux.. wine doesn't use native favorites Oct 01 04:33:12 fritos will get on irc soon he said he is on his way home Oct 01 04:33:24 mmm fritos Oct 01 04:33:38 lol Oct 01 04:33:52 whats the manual way to add a user to sudoers Oct 01 04:33:57 dBsooner, you are running vbox huh Oct 01 04:34:05 ubuntu in vbox? Oct 01 04:34:05 no Oct 01 04:34:07 lance1233: visudo Oct 01 04:34:12 I am fully booted in ubuntu Oct 01 04:34:16 on a 60gb partition Oct 01 04:34:16 dual booting windows and ubuntu Oct 01 04:34:20 k Oct 01 04:34:21 then I have another 60gb partition with win7 Oct 01 04:34:37 so why do you need wine? ;) Oct 01 04:34:41 then i have a 380GB partition as data/storage Oct 01 04:34:52 hmagoo: Because I don't want to dualboot just to check my quicken Oct 01 04:34:53 ;) Oct 01 04:35:04 * dBsooner can't live without Quicken. Oct 01 04:35:10 do the apps we install take part of the 8gb or is there a smaller partition for this? Oct 01 04:35:22 phiqtion: smaller partition Oct 01 04:35:25 248MB /var Oct 01 04:35:38 but still, that is very large when you're just installing homebrews Oct 01 04:35:39 * Eguy has a 931.51GB partition for the OS and a 931.51GB partition for storage :D Oct 01 04:35:40 what fs is the 380GB partition Oct 01 04:35:44 most apps average less than 1MB Oct 01 04:36:03 egaudet: NTFS (because Win7 can't read ext2 or 3 or 4) Oct 01 04:36:19 really there's no drivers for that? Oct 01 04:36:20 egaudet: i have thought of reformatting it ext4 though. Oct 01 04:36:23 where are downloaded apps located in the filesystem? Oct 01 04:36:27 * JackieRipper wonders if Eguy has some sort of redundancy to protect all that storage Oct 01 04:36:28 egaudet: Not for Win7 yet. Oct 01 04:36:42 antianalog: /var/usr/palm/applications/ Oct 01 04:36:55 thanks Oct 01 04:36:58 dBsooner, does windows 7 support FAT Oct 01 04:37:01 JackieRipper: Correct Oct 01 04:37:03 JackieRipper: you mean me? Oct 01 04:37:14 egaudet: dont ever mention windows 7 again Oct 01 04:37:18 I don't trust MS Oct 01 04:37:25 better yet, fix the remaining patches :D Oct 01 04:37:26 no, eguy Oct 01 04:37:32 PuffTheMagic, lol I'm trying to help db Oct 01 04:37:33 egaudet: What MS system has NOT supported FAT? Oct 01 04:37:43 you guys want some cookies? :-p Oct 01 04:37:48 dbsooner: "***Eguy has a 931.51GB partition for the OS and a 931.51GB partition for storage :D" Oct 01 04:37:53 I use ghost on both drives Oct 01 04:37:55 dBsooner, well I would trust writing to FAT more than ntfs Oct 01 04:37:56 egaudet: there isnt enough help in the world for him ;) Oct 01 04:38:00 j/k Oct 01 04:38:07 hmagoo: Ohhh.. if I had a desktop, I would do that. Oct 01 04:38:21 greg_roll: how are things going? Oct 01 04:38:23 hehe :P PuffTheMagic you fix the patches for me! Oct 01 04:38:45 Jason is sending me his patches Oct 01 04:38:46 SMKOUT333: good thanks Oct 01 04:38:48 i need date in header by time :D Oct 01 04:38:55 has a few hurdles but getting there Oct 01 04:38:58 PuffTheMagic, that doesnt' work yet? Oct 01 04:39:03 how about yourself? Oct 01 04:39:24 egaudet: yet? Oct 01 04:39:34 egaudet: i told u 2 hours ago they dont work Oct 01 04:39:35 yea I said yet as if anyone but me is pushing :( Oct 01 04:39:38 Im great man, figure anything out about the release? Oct 01 04:39:41 lol Oct 01 04:39:45 egaudet: What? You're getting patches from Jason? FIXED? Oct 01 04:39:49 well ikyo pushed a bunch of changes Oct 01 04:39:56 egaudet: And here I was about to waste time? Oct 01 04:40:00 noticed your not breaking aim anymore... Oct 01 04:40:05 dBsooner, yea he would have put them in gitorious himself if Rod was around to give access Oct 01 04:40:20 I don't know which ones, but he's gonna email em to me Oct 01 04:40:22 egaudet: So I guess there is nothing for me to do. Oct 01 04:40:43 egaudet: Well I guess I should wait till you know. I don't want to duplicate. Oct 01 04:40:45 there's still like 15-20 patches in gitorious that need updating! Oct 01 04:40:56 do you ahve a list? Oct 01 04:41:01 where is sshd_config on the pre? Oct 01 04:41:01 besides the wiki Oct 01 04:41:03 no lol Oct 01 04:41:11 joesmith: /var/etc/ Oct 01 04:41:18 ty Oct 01 04:41:20 You can post on precentral to gather a list :P Oct 01 04:41:32 egaudet: no thanks. Oct 01 04:41:36 lol Oct 01 04:41:45 egaudet: That's like committing suicide. Oct 01 04:42:20 haha well i've already jumped off the cliff, trying to drag someone with me Oct 01 04:42:36 Egaudet: I'll make you a deal. Oct 01 04:42:41 well it doesnt look like its in /var/etc/ Oct 01 04:42:41 PuffTheMagic, dod you prefer year or no year next to date Oct 01 04:42:51 Joesmith: just a sec. let me find it. Oct 01 04:42:54 no year Oct 01 04:43:00 egaudet: there isnt enough space for year Oct 01 04:43:01 egaudet: what SSH program you use? Terminal and command line ssh? Oct 01 04:43:07 no year Oct 01 04:43:54 dBsooner, yea Oct 01 04:44:12 is the terminal app still in development? Oct 01 04:44:29 JackieRipper, what else would you like it to do? Oct 01 04:44:43 ^{}[]\` Oct 01 04:44:55 ah, make a feature request yet? Oct 01 04:44:57 sorry Joesmith Oct 01 04:45:04 yes Oct 01 04:45:14 Joesmith: it's /var/opt/etc/openssh/ Oct 01 04:45:17 I forgot its optware. Oct 01 04:45:23 hm, not sure who's working on it these days. destinal should know tho Oct 01 04:46:40 do you ahve a list? < anything that hasn't been updated in the past 2 days really Oct 01 04:46:41 XD Oct 01 04:47:04 15 minutes it'll be updated Oct 01 04:47:23 Tilton53: Which means I would have to go do a compare of the git repo and compare that and find anything older. Oct 01 04:47:28 Tilton53: i am being lazy. Oct 01 04:47:39 yup Oct 01 04:47:40 X Oct 01 04:47:42 XD* Oct 01 04:47:49 Tilton53: and I was going to offer egaudet a deal, but he didn't respond. Oct 01 04:47:58 egaudet: what is being updated in 15? Oct 01 04:48:00 let's make a deal Oct 01 04:48:07 I think he's working on autopatch Oct 01 04:48:07 add date to top bar Oct 01 04:48:56 egaudet: If you write the post asking for autopatches that need to be updated and the title.. I will go to PC.net and post it in my name and then take the wrath and fix what's posted. Oct 01 04:50:44 lance1233: the patch in preware to add date on top Oct 01 04:50:55 nifty Oct 01 04:51:05 no year... Oct 01 04:51:14 Oh come on! Oct 01 04:51:19 I need the year for god sakes! Oct 01 04:51:36 wth is the 'state patch'? Oct 01 04:51:54 are a bunch more patches getting added to preware? Oct 01 04:51:57 dBsooner, ok tomorrow Oct 01 04:52:40 egaudet: you sure? Oct 01 04:52:42 not tonight? Oct 01 04:53:56 Joesmith: you figure out binding of ssh yet? Oct 01 04:54:06 Tilton53: adds state to call logs for calls not in your contacts Oct 01 04:54:17 and when the call is coming in, maybe going out. Oct 01 04:54:24 ah sweet Oct 01 04:54:25 Any chance for haptic feedback on the vk egaudet? Oct 01 04:54:42 lance, edit the file in media internal Oct 01 04:54:45 egaudet: how the hell do I change the "," to ":" in XChat? Oct 01 04:54:53 vk hell I'd take it for the phone dailer again Oct 01 04:54:54 XD Oct 01 04:55:13 Tilton53: No haptic on dialer? Oct 01 04:55:14 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1936834#post1936834 Oct 01 04:55:26 it's all you db Oct 01 04:55:27 lol Oct 01 04:55:40 dBsooner, what do you mena nick to nick Oct 01 04:55:49 see how yours put a , Oct 01 04:55:53 i want it to be : Oct 01 04:55:58 mine does a , too Oct 01 04:56:10 egaudet: delete that thread.. I'll make one. :D Oct 01 04:56:12 dBsooner, you see that comma Oct 01 04:56:26 too late Oct 01 04:56:27 grrrr Oct 01 04:56:33 go delet eit! :D Oct 01 04:56:51 XD Oct 01 04:56:54 Dorry Oct 01 04:56:57 Sorry* Oct 01 04:57:04 GO Oct 01 04:57:09 * dBsooner creates a new one Oct 01 04:57:15 it's already got a post Oct 01 04:57:24 He can't I posted in it already Oct 01 04:57:25 Tilton53: go delete your post Oct 01 04:57:31 how? Oct 01 04:57:32 o.o Oct 01 04:57:42 oh you can't.. Oct 01 04:57:44 i can't delete Oct 01 04:57:47 * dBsooner is so used to being a mod Oct 01 04:57:53 nvm Oct 01 04:57:54 >.> Oct 01 04:57:57 go delete the thread Oct 01 04:58:00 meh Oct 01 04:58:05 try to delete now Oct 01 04:58:05 i mean just put "PLEASE DELETE" Oct 01 04:58:14 and i'll get a mod to make it go away if needed Oct 01 04:58:15 go post "direct all questions to me" Oct 01 04:58:16 tiltion messaging orientation works. Oct 01 04:58:25 O.o MLJones really? Oct 01 04:58:44 the webosrepair worked great. Oct 01 04:58:50 Tilton53: yes. Oct 01 04:58:55 I see it now Oct 01 04:59:06 it just needs to be updated in AutoPatch Oct 01 04:59:40 Tilton53, it works from ap Oct 01 04:59:46 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1936846#post1936846 Oct 01 04:59:57 >.> Oct 01 05:00:02 * Tilton53 hits update feeds again Oct 01 05:00:04 I have the Messaging in Landscape orientation from 9/27 and it works... Oct 01 05:00:16 egaudet: hurry and delete your thread.. Tilton53 deleted his post Oct 01 05:00:28 and btw.. "emoney" is so 3rd grade. Oct 01 05:00:39 ML Jones I could swear I added that and it didn't work Oct 01 05:00:56 anyone had a problem saying webos was out of memory and that i need to remove apps before installing any new ones (using the catalog - not preware) Oct 01 05:01:12 tictac, everyone, actually Oct 01 05:01:25 tictac someone said that the pre only allows you to use 200MB for the apps Oct 01 05:01:26 :/ Oct 01 05:01:30 tictac: I have a workaround for that. Oct 01 05:01:47 tictac: check "all posts started by dBsooner" and you should see it Oct 01 05:01:50 hmm. well it should be hardcoded and easily editable. Oct 01 05:01:56 precentral.net ? Oct 01 05:02:02 yes Oct 01 05:02:06 MLJones I just tried the Messaging Patch from 9/27 and it fails Oct 01 05:02:09 Tilton53: it was me.. and its 248MB Oct 01 05:02:35 Hunk #2 Failed at 823 Oct 01 05:02:49 ethier way dBsooner it's a retarded limit for a phone with 8GB of memory Oct 01 05:03:07 Tilton53: aye. But it's Palm. Oct 01 05:03:08 Tilton53: dunno its on my Pre and works great. Oct 01 05:03:34 ML what is the name of the exact patch you used ? Oct 01 05:04:08 destinal, do you think the display plugin you created for terminal would be capable of doing something like rdesktop ? Oct 01 05:04:36 Tilton53: id: org.webosinternals.patches.message-orientation version 0.1.16 Oct 01 05:04:55 Tilton53: yeah, mine installed too. Oct 01 05:04:58 "Patch installed" Oct 01 05:05:12 i have no clue Oct 01 05:05:13 XD Oct 01 05:05:30 Tilton53: must have other patches already installed ? Oct 01 05:06:01 checking that right now MLJones8 Oct 01 05:07:05 brb Oct 01 05:07:06 enjoy it, i need sleep Oct 01 05:07:13 precentral is down now, good night Oct 01 05:07:29 hmm Oct 01 05:08:12 heh, which thread you want to use? Oct 01 05:08:58 another question. anyone run into the "too many cards" limitation? is there a way to override this? Oct 01 05:09:07 it seems to happen around 8 cards. Oct 01 05:09:32 tictac you're lucky if it doesn't happen with two browser cards Oct 01 05:09:39 lol Oct 01 05:10:26 dBsooner just removed all my messaging patches Oct 01 05:10:28 same error Oct 01 05:10:30 -.- Oct 01 05:10:30 tictac, if it is still happening in 1.2 it is from either a palm memory leak problem or a specific application Oct 01 05:10:37 but eight is a lot of cards Oct 01 05:10:45 interesting Oct 01 05:11:02 dBsooner, yea i pretty much haven't changed emoney since 3rd grade lol Oct 01 05:11:13 Use my therad Oct 01 05:11:14 forums get emoney and that's that! Oct 01 05:11:22 egaudet try to delete agaqin Oct 01 05:11:29 so unless some other random patch is messing with the needed file Oct 01 05:11:30 XD Oct 01 05:11:36 i can't delete why try again Oct 01 05:11:54 Tilton53: let me get egaudet to look at it and compare it to 1.2.0 stock Oct 01 05:12:06 bc I am working on haptic Oct 01 05:12:32 8 can really be pushing it on cards, especially if you're running multiple web pages, couple terminal windows, etc Oct 01 05:12:35 i'd rather have haptic to be honest Oct 01 05:12:36 XD Oct 01 05:12:46 what error where who what Oct 01 05:12:51 Tilton53, haptic works no? Oct 01 05:12:58 or nevermind Oct 01 05:13:00 No patches for the dialer yet Oct 01 05:13:01 i thought you meant vkb Oct 01 05:13:02 :< Oct 01 05:13:05 XD Oct 01 05:13:14 haptic in dialer would be nice Oct 01 05:13:15 Also egaudet the landscape patch refuses to install for me Oct 01 05:13:29 even after I removed all the messaging patches I had installed Oct 01 05:14:02 what landscape aptch Oct 01 05:14:09 messaging Oct 01 05:14:15 >.> the one from 9/27 Oct 01 05:14:30 egaudet: mit installed on my pre Oct 01 05:15:02 ok, do you mean some big messaging patch or just messaging-orientation?? Oct 01 05:15:04 egaudet or PuffTheMagic: how do I checkout v1.2.0 from my local git? Oct 01 05:15:14 messaging-orientation Oct 01 05:15:16 >.> Oct 01 05:15:33 dBsooner, removing all the files currently? Oct 01 05:15:46 Tilton53, run EPR Oct 01 05:15:51 and then try again Oct 01 05:15:59 EPR found in system utilities Oct 01 05:16:35 egaudet: like i have "PalmPre_stuff/webOS-1.2" which has a tag of "v1.2.0" Oct 01 05:16:35 it's 1.1.0 only Oct 01 05:16:46 yeah Tilton53: I just installed it and I have a buttload of patches installed, just look at dbsooner's thread Oct 01 05:16:48 egaudet: I would like to go to another dir and check it out Oct 01 05:17:06 dBsooner, you don't want to lose your current changes? Oct 01 05:17:12 what do you want to do with the checkout Oct 01 05:17:36 egaudet: I guess I could just edit the existing then do a --reset hard afterwards Oct 01 05:17:43 I already did a reset --hard Oct 01 05:17:46 hmagoo do you have the new msn messenger plugins installed? Oct 01 05:17:47 O.o Oct 01 05:17:54 so the webOS-1.2 should be back to original Oct 01 05:17:58 reset just resets the cache/staging or whatever tha tis called with files added Oct 01 05:18:00 whiping out all my changes Oct 01 05:18:01 tilton, nope Oct 01 05:18:38 might be it Oct 01 05:18:40 if you don't care about what's in the repo that's NOT commit'd, then just do a git checkout -f v1.2.0 Oct 01 05:18:47 then git check -d -f to remove "new" files Oct 01 05:18:48 those are all the same patches I have Oct 01 05:19:20 geesh when did precentral get my time zone so screwed up Oct 01 05:19:29 * dBsooner has to create a new repo Oct 01 05:19:39 * dBsooner just realized NTFS repo is missing stuff during the switch Oct 01 05:19:56 you created the repo on win? Oct 01 05:20:00 also hmagoo why do you want both "show-actual-battery-percent" and "battery-percent-and-icon v2.1 "? Oct 01 05:20:00 yeah Oct 01 05:20:01 lol Oct 01 05:20:05 don't they do the same thing? Oct 01 05:20:06 cygwin Oct 01 05:21:34 Tilton53: they are not related Oct 01 05:21:53 ok what is the differnce? Oct 01 05:21:58 because I am stumped Oct 01 05:22:09 load up the battery monitor app and look in the details for actual % and gui % Oct 01 05:22:28 ah Oct 01 05:22:31 I choose to see the actual % not the other one whatever the hell it is. Oct 01 05:23:58 have you guys noticed the autopatch feed in Preware? Oct 01 05:24:20 Duh.. we made it Oct 01 05:24:22 :D Oct 01 05:24:23 lol Oct 01 05:24:28 well in that case, I love you Oct 01 05:24:30 lol Oct 01 05:24:30 yeah veedubb, you can probably use just about any patch that is from the last couple of days Oct 01 05:24:37 That is VERY scary Oct 01 05:24:44 I just installed about 25 of them. Oct 01 05:25:01 did battery percent and icon work for you? Oct 01 05:25:13 someone test date in top bar (no year) patch Oct 01 05:25:17 lol, that's probably the only one I didn't use, let me install it and see. Oct 01 05:25:30 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1936877#post1936877 Oct 01 05:25:43 egaudet: category? Oct 01 05:26:14 hmagoo: i was wanting to open like 8 text cards and one email card so i can work on a networking issue from work. :P Oct 01 05:26:21 hrmm somehow I broke my 4x4 patch Oct 01 05:26:22 O.o Oct 01 05:26:22 nm Oct 01 05:26:25 i found it Oct 01 05:26:40 yeah should work tictac, tisk tisk Oct 01 05:26:42 egaudet, installed Oct 01 05:26:50 egaudet, rescanning luna... Oct 01 05:27:01 XD great now pre says I only have 3 patches installed Oct 01 05:27:02 -.- Oct 01 05:27:17 is the battery one labeled "Show Actual Battery Pervent" with no description? Oct 01 05:27:20 egaudet: ok.. restarting luna Oct 01 05:27:26 or did you want me to test a different one? Oct 01 05:27:37 i think the erp really did work Oct 01 05:27:38 XD Oct 01 05:27:38 VeeDubb65-steve, date in top bar Oct 01 05:27:41 VeeDubb65-steve: no the one that says with icon Oct 01 05:27:46 heh trying to restart LunaSysMgr froze the pre. Oct 01 05:27:47 its in luna I believe Oct 01 05:28:04 dBsooner: I already installed that one, haven't resarted luna yet. Oct 01 05:28:09 10/1 12:28 Oct 01 05:28:11 hmagoo: what category? Oct 01 05:28:14 works like a champ egaudet Oct 01 05:28:22 go to all and it is recent Oct 01 05:28:38 i got davfs2 running on the pre Oct 01 05:28:47 now we can make a remote apps server Oct 01 05:28:49 :D Oct 01 05:28:50 ok dBsooner even after using EPR I still get that stupid error Oct 01 05:28:51 -.- Oct 01 05:28:58 installed fine. let me restart luna. Oct 01 05:29:15 puff, date patch works Oct 01 05:29:26 Tilton53.. Umm.. Oct 01 05:29:31 hmagoo: since when Oct 01 05:29:37 idk dBsooner I am lost too Oct 01 05:29:38 XD Oct 01 05:29:40 ask emoneygaudet Oct 01 05:29:40 15 mins ago PuffTheMagic Oct 01 05:30:15 Tilton53: your on 1.2? if so then download the new doctor and just patch the file with a fresh copy. Oct 01 05:30:40 yep, I would do that Tilton53 Oct 01 05:30:45 VeeDubb65-steve: so you just installed the one for battery percent and icon? hmm, maybe I should undo some more simple patch and do that one Oct 01 05:30:48 already on it Oct 01 05:30:48 date (no year) works great Oct 01 05:31:01 battery % = icon works great Oct 01 05:31:17 that was % + icon Oct 01 05:31:22 hmm, thanks Oct 01 05:32:07 hmagoo: honestly, I've got 20 or 25 patches installed at this point, but the only two that effect the top bar are the %+icon and date(no year) Oct 01 05:32:20 hmagoo, the battery patches are an example of why patches suck Oct 01 05:32:29 PuffTheMagic: that seems like it could be a mess if you were constantly on the move, if you used nfs or the like. Oct 01 05:32:49 egaudet, what do you mean Oct 01 05:32:55 The only patch I had any trouble with was the hide NFL or hide Nascar app. I forgot witch, but it gave an error. However, it installed fine anyway. Oct 01 05:33:11 they both touch the same place but to do 2 different things Oct 01 05:33:12 Hrmm Oct 01 05:33:15 tictac: data plan Oct 01 05:33:16 :D Oct 01 05:33:22 so they are incompatible for patching but not for functionality Oct 01 05:33:23 What is the "Long Standby Times" patch? Oct 01 05:33:39 tictac: and i coudlnt use nfs cause the ports are blocked Oct 01 05:33:42 but webdav works Oct 01 05:33:44 PuffTheMagic: i meant, with the changing ip addresses. would mount be able to automatically remount it everytime? Oct 01 05:33:46 so i used fuse+davfs2 Oct 01 05:33:47 this shit needs discriptions Oct 01 05:33:48 -.- Oct 01 05:33:57 Tilton53, adds 15 seconds, 5 minutes and never to screenlock turn off after options Oct 01 05:34:03 ah Oct 01 05:34:03 tictac: what changing ip's Oct 01 05:34:03 Tilton53: by default you can only have the Pre wait 3 minutes before it locks. Oct 01 05:34:06 PuffTheMagic: you can always use custom ports Oct 01 05:34:19 tictac: no cause rpcbind port is blocked too Oct 01 05:34:20 PuffTheMagic: when you move around from different towers, your address changes. Oct 01 05:34:22 i was trying Oct 01 05:34:26 tictac: so what Oct 01 05:34:31 if my pre ip changes Oct 01 05:34:33 egaudet, yeah I know, think it could be my theme install though, checking now Oct 01 05:34:39 tictac: the server dont change Oct 01 05:34:48 hmagoo, I KNOW the 2 patches are incompatible Oct 01 05:34:49 i can install all the apps i want on the server Oct 01 05:34:53 tilton try that screenlock patch please tell me if it works for you Oct 01 05:34:54 and anyone can mount it and run them :D Oct 01 05:34:56 OH Oct 01 05:34:57 I can see the lines they are touching and why Oct 01 05:35:05 i think that might have some issues if you are mounted to a remote server and transferring files when your address changes. Oct 01 05:35:08 it might hang Oct 01 05:35:12 can you merge them? ;) Oct 01 05:35:12 Jack87 whats the name of the actual Patch? Oct 01 05:35:25 at least, ive had that problem on the lan side of things with nfs. Oct 01 05:35:26 tictac: then i wont do it while moving Oct 01 05:35:27 idk Oct 01 05:35:51 PuffTheMagic: let me know if i can help you test it. i have limited time, but i can spare some ccie time to test a remote fs. Oct 01 05:35:51 tictac: worth a try though Oct 01 05:35:58 Tilton53, let me get it for you Oct 01 05:36:04 hmagoo, we can create a patch with the both combined if that's what you want yea Oct 01 05:36:17 OK.. egaudet, PuffTheMagic.. I created a new directory to build my brand new STOCK 1.2.0 Git repo.. I have done git init, add, commit and tag Oct 01 05:36:19 PuffTheMagic: #web....ops Oct 01 05:36:21 remind me tomorrow Oct 01 05:36:21 longer standby times patch Oct 01 05:36:23 Now what do I do? Oct 01 05:36:29 go to a new directory and check it out? Oct 01 05:36:29 tictac: i dont have time tonight to make ipks for libneon and davfs2 Oct 01 05:36:35 well, idk, I personally don't see making the battery % accurate to be a problem, but who knows Oct 01 05:36:39 Tilton53, my phone gives me 15 sec but not 5min or never Oct 01 05:36:42 Does anybody know what the Music player patch is supposed to do? it errored for me and didn't change anything I can see. Oct 01 05:36:45 git init; git add . ; git commit ; git tag v1.2.0 Oct 01 05:36:50 right Oct 01 05:36:51 although for egaudet it works.. bfore 1.2 it used to work for me Oct 01 05:36:51 I did that Oct 01 05:36:54 k Oct 01 05:37:00 I want to keep this dir stock Oct 01 05:37:06 and when i hard code it still i only get 15 sec i would like to see if it works for others Oct 01 05:37:07 so I always have a full stock tree Oct 01 05:37:15 i did it off a fresh doctor install and still no luck Oct 01 05:37:16 dBsooner, you commit'd it so you can do whatever the hell you want and have a path back Oct 01 05:37:26 VeeDubb65-steve: heh, why use that Music app? Oct 01 05:37:27 egaudet: perhapse http://www.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/articleimages/Dieter%20Bohn/2009/09/palm-pre-blink-notifications.png should be added as a screenshot to the notification patch Oct 01 05:37:28 that's the point of source control Oct 01 05:37:31 so I just make changes to the files themselves? Oct 01 05:37:45 and as long as I don't commit them, then i'm good? Oct 01 05:37:50 hmagoo: I don't. I was hoping that patch was to hide it. :) Oct 01 05:38:00 i can just do a reset --hard and all the changes would be whiped out? Oct 01 05:38:12 VeeDubb65-steve: heh Oct 01 05:38:29 Jack87 works for me Oct 01 05:38:40 hmagoo: I like it, because I like a simple music app, but it's too simple. I'm using the Remix version. Oct 01 05:38:43 thanks Tilton53 Oct 01 05:38:47 oil done Oct 01 05:38:58 dBsooner, even if you commit a thousand things Oct 01 05:39:04 you can always checkout any commit Oct 01 05:39:12 my pre is being freaking weird i dont understand why it wouldnt work esspesially after a fresh web os dr Oct 01 05:39:14 and since you have it tagged it's easy to checkout by tag Oct 01 05:39:19 so just submit each commit with a different tag? Oct 01 05:39:29 and why the hell does it work part way showing 15sec but not 5min/never Oct 01 05:39:32 no each commit is given a commit id Oct 01 05:39:34 i wonder if anyone has any ideas Oct 01 05:39:34 and then checkout -f "v1.2." Oct 01 05:39:41 you manually tag whatever commit you want Oct 01 05:39:47 ahh Oct 01 05:39:55 so let me make some changes to these files Oct 01 05:39:55 one sec Oct 01 05:39:56 git tag tags the current checked out commit I believe, ask puff Oct 01 05:40:14 alright, I'm stretching here, but if I type out the error the musicplayer patch gave, anybody think they can diagnose why it errored out? Oct 01 05:40:18 checkout -f v.1.2 will force checkout that tagged commit Oct 01 05:40:26 getting rid of any modified files Oct 01 05:40:37 but you still will have "new" files laying around if you have added any Oct 01 05:40:50 probably made for 1.1 VeeDubb65-steve Oct 01 05:40:54 a git clean -f -d will delete all new files and empty dirs you have laying around Oct 01 05:40:59 sadness Oct 01 05:41:42 anybody know how to hide the music app manually? I'm very comfortable with linux, just need to know where to go. Oct 01 05:42:08 mv the directory to /media/internal Oct 01 05:42:27 /usr/palm/ Oct 01 05:42:33 not that whole dir man Oct 01 05:42:34 ;) Oct 01 05:42:37 find the music app Oct 01 05:42:52 heh Oct 01 05:43:09 VeeDubb65-steve, create a patch for it Oct 01 05:43:36 VeeDubb65-steve: just hide it? Oct 01 05:43:36 open the appinfo.json in the music app and then add "visible": false, the same way as the hide nascar or hide nfl patches Oct 01 05:44:12 alright. I'll see what I can come up with, although packaging it as an ipk with a postinst that does it for you is more than a little over my head. Oct 01 05:44:30 VeeDubb65-steve, /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.musicplayer/appinfo.json and add "visible": false in the last line before } Oct 01 05:44:59 just make the patch VeeDubb65-steve and submit it to them im sure they can packge Oct 01 05:45:18 Ok I may be an idiot Oct 01 05:45:19 do you know how to make patch VeeDubb65-steve Oct 01 05:45:26 but after I install the roam only patch Oct 01 05:45:33 where do I got to change the settings Oct 01 05:45:34 >.> Oct 01 05:45:41 VeeDubb65-steve, no need to worry the autobuilder system for that is very simply a Makefile with a few lines for description, type etc.. Oct 01 05:45:45 goto* Oct 01 05:46:00 VeeDubb65-steve: if you add "visible": false to the last line before the } make sure you put a comma at the end of the line before it Oct 01 05:46:10 well, I guess I have a project. let's see if I can find the file and patch it manually without messing it up. ;) Oct 01 05:46:13 Tilton53, phone app->appmenu->preferences Oct 01 05:46:32 thank you Oct 01 05:47:42 i was like "WTH IS IT?" Oct 01 06:00:43 ok Oct 01 06:00:46 phone haptic is done Oct 01 06:00:48 testing it now Oct 01 06:00:51 camera shutoff sound patch should be fixed in next build Oct 01 06:01:09 egaudet: I am pastebin'ing you the phone dialpad haptic Oct 01 06:01:15 oh wait.. email Oct 01 06:01:37 yep Oct 01 06:01:38 works great Oct 01 06:01:41 email? Oct 01 06:01:49 pastebin it and i'll... i'lll Oct 01 06:01:51 yea email Oct 01 06:01:59 well i wont get to it till tomorrow Oct 01 06:02:11 :( Oct 01 06:02:13 PLEASE? Oct 01 06:02:28 grrrrrrr Oct 01 06:02:29 quickly Oct 01 06:02:34 k Oct 01 06:02:34 last of the night Oct 01 06:02:41 did you test the aptch on your pre? Oct 01 06:04:05 sent Oct 01 06:04:07 yes Oct 01 06:04:11 I JUST tested it Oct 01 06:04:18 it amde me tingle when I pushed a button Oct 01 06:04:24 Ok Oct 01 06:04:29 so now what do I do in git? Oct 01 06:04:51 I MODIFIED the files I extracted earlier and did 'git add .' on Oct 01 06:05:06 you extracted? Oct 01 06:05:10 lol quote of the week "I JUST tested it! it made me tingle when i pushed a button!" Oct 01 06:05:13 extracted from tehj jar Oct 01 06:05:14 you modified the files in your git repo Oct 01 06:05:17 yers Oct 01 06:05:18 yes* Oct 01 06:05:25 it's what you told me to Oct 01 06:05:35 ok so do a git status to make sure you don't have any garbage files around Oct 01 06:06:18 Changed, and untracked Oct 01 06:06:30 oh the untracked is the patch Oct 01 06:06:38 and the ~ file (the js~ from the editor) Oct 01 06:06:48 i moved the patch out Oct 01 06:06:56 and close the editor Oct 01 06:07:09 make sure only the files you want in the patch are in the git status output Oct 01 06:07:29 and if you have the patch ("i moved the patch out") then what do you want to do in git? Oct 01 06:07:41 you want to commit these changes? Oct 01 06:07:52 ok, only files i want in patch Oct 01 06:08:02 I moved the actual PATCH file Oct 01 06:08:06 .patch Oct 01 06:08:12 what .patch file Oct 01 06:08:21 from the git diff < Oct 01 06:08:36 It dropped it int he root dir of the repo Oct 01 06:08:43 so I moved it up two levels to my user dir Oct 01 06:08:54 i don't understand what you want to do right now? Oct 01 06:08:56 so when I do git status now Oct 01 06:09:02 it shows the file I made a change on Oct 01 06:09:16 # On branch master Oct 01 06:09:16 # Changed but not updated: Oct 01 06:09:27 # modified: usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/dialpad-assistant.js Oct 01 06:09:29 WHAT do you want to accomplish Oct 01 06:09:43 umm.. i guess getting it back to Stock? Oct 01 06:10:10 if I can commit this change and then return this directory tree back to stock.. taht's what i am going for. Oct 01 06:10:27 hey guys Oct 01 06:10:27 ok so your .patch file is good? it doesn't include garbage or ~ files? Oct 01 06:10:29 can ANYONE link me to the limits of the pre's gstreamer? Oct 01 06:10:37 it seems to be a heavily modified version Oct 01 06:10:40 egaudet: yes it is perfect Oct 01 06:10:50 ok well then yo udon't need to commit the changes unless you want Oct 01 06:10:52 yokken, what do you mean limits? Oct 01 06:10:55 egaudet: no garbage.. 2 lines changed.. 2 delets and 2 adds Oct 01 06:10:59 git checkout -f v1.2.0 to blow the changes away Oct 01 06:11:02 and with ! videorate ! and ! videoscale ! it'd be a lot easier to make it uniform Oct 01 06:11:06 yokken, it's not heavily modified by any means. Oct 01 06:11:11 waht would commiting do? Oct 01 06:11:14 zsoc|bbl: there's no ffmpegcolorspace, videorate, nothin Oct 01 06:11:24 so i can't set the framerate... can't set the size of the video... Oct 01 06:11:25 yokken, limited is different than modified. and it's limited by lack of elements, which is limited by lack of plugins. Oct 01 06:11:29 create a commit with the new files Oct 01 06:11:34 yokken, if you want more plugins, build them ;) Oct 01 06:11:40 i'd be more than happy Oct 01 06:11:48 i just need to find them and figure out how to do that Oct 01 06:12:07 i dont get the too many cards issues people are having Oct 01 06:12:19 i never have more than like 4 cards open at once. Oct 01 06:12:22 would git commit -m "Dialpad haptic feedback" Oct 01 06:12:31 yokken, start googling, if you run into a problem just ask me or in the channel :) Oct 01 06:12:33 source control. you'd have v1.2.0 tag with stock files, then another commit with the patch applied, but you don't need that unless you want to track history of changing those files like if you were developing this long term not a quick patch Oct 01 06:12:44 jsut create a commit with that.. but that would make the stock one no longer STOCK if I do a "checkout -f" right? Oct 01 06:12:51 you can't git commit -m without adding first Oct 01 06:12:57 zsoc|bbl: i see... i've never compiled anything for the pre. haha... :| Oct 01 06:13:03 ok Oct 01 06:13:07 yokken, i'm going to file it under "not fun" Oct 01 06:13:09 dBsooner, your v1.2.0 tag is tagged at the first commit Oct 01 06:13:12 that first commit never changes Oct 01 06:13:14 fffffffffff Oct 01 06:13:15 unless you destroy it Oct 01 06:13:22 ok Oct 01 06:13:22 you are commiting on top of it Oct 01 06:13:34 How would I checkout at that point? Oct 01 06:13:40 i seriously just need videorate and videoscale Oct 01 06:13:41 if I had two commits. :D Oct 01 06:13:45 that's it >:| Oct 01 06:13:45 you have a list of commits, any commit you check out gives you the entire tree in the exact state you commited it Oct 01 06:13:53 AHHH Oct 01 06:13:54 sweet Oct 01 06:14:00 I like that Oct 01 06:14:07 how did someone compile gstreamer for the pre WITHOUT any of these plugins? Oct 01 06:14:07 I think GIT just clicked! Oct 01 06:14:15 they come default on the default install Oct 01 06:14:18 >.> i have the "calculator", "palm app store", preware, photo, terminal, terminal, translator, clock, weather app, quick event, google maps, myspace (browser), amazon (browser), facebook (browser), email, messaging, and pandora open Oct 01 06:14:24 no errors yet Oct 01 06:14:24 its good for source control and development Oct 01 06:14:25 -.- Oct 01 06:14:26 wtf tilton? Oct 01 06:14:33 why do you have that all open at once? Oct 01 06:14:38 you don't really care about commiting when you make a patch that changes 2 lines just to commit that patch elsewhere Oct 01 06:14:38 testing Oct 01 06:14:42 oh Oct 01 06:14:45 I wanted to see if I could get the error Oct 01 06:14:46 XD Oct 01 06:14:54 So when I commit, it saves JUST THE CHANGES to a "changefile" area and sets a flag on it.. so I would be able to "checkout" either one.. the orgiinal or the second and it would be at the state they were in at that point Oct 01 06:15:01 the only thing i commit to my tree so far is the kb patch because it's in long term development and I need my development history and snapshots Oct 01 06:15:15 so 17 cards and no error Oct 01 06:15:16 XD Oct 01 06:15:26 yea and you can do that for specific files or for the whole tree Oct 01 06:15:36 how do I "note" the commit Oct 01 06:15:37 ? Oct 01 06:15:40 what's stupid is that the gstreamer on the pre doesn't tell you what it does and doesn't have Oct 01 06:15:45 what do you mean "note" Oct 01 06:15:46 so I know what that commit was for? Oct 01 06:15:46 it won't tell you what it can and can't do Oct 01 06:15:53 the -m "" is commit message Oct 01 06:15:58 -m "this is my note" Oct 01 06:16:06 right, but I can't do that unless I "add ." first? Oct 01 06:16:12 yokken, try "gst-inspect" Oct 01 06:16:15 :o yokken got the error Oct 01 06:16:16 well if you dont add you got nothing to commit Oct 01 06:16:20 and therefore nothing to note Oct 01 06:16:22 XD Tried to open document viewer Oct 01 06:16:22 lol Oct 01 06:16:25 good point Oct 01 06:16:31 thanks zsoc|bbl :D Oct 01 06:16:31 so IF i wanted to save this.. Oct 01 06:16:36 i dont know the command to change a commit message after it's commited Oct 01 06:16:41 puff would know and im too lazy to look it up Oct 01 06:16:43 and im going to bed Oct 01 06:16:44 I would "git add .js" Oct 01 06:16:46 you took to long for that patch Oct 01 06:16:58 then git commit -m "Enable haptic feedback in dialpad" Oct 01 06:17:09 if you want to add everything from where you are git add . says add everything Oct 01 06:17:11 then checkout -f "v1.2.0" Oct 01 06:17:13 you can git add Oct 01 06:17:15 ok so 17 cards is my new record Oct 01 06:17:15 git add Oct 01 06:17:15 XD Oct 01 06:17:16 well it certainly supports network streaming, jeez Oct 01 06:17:20 yokken, and i agree with the condition of gst on the pre, they compiled it with only what they needed Oct 01 06:17:41 that patch is in your mailbox Oct 01 06:17:42 ! Oct 01 06:17:46 I sent it like 15 minutes ago Oct 01 06:17:56 please add it? Oct 01 06:18:10 why did't you tell me! Oct 01 06:18:11 grr Oct 01 06:18:14 zsoc|bbl: it looks like there's an audio rate adjuster, but not one for vieo Oct 01 06:18:15 is this modifying phone app? Oct 01 06:18:22 yes Oct 01 06:18:30 I DID TELL YOu! Oct 01 06:18:40 dBsooner is this the haptic feedback? Oct 01 06:18:51 palmvideosink looks promising though Oct 01 06:18:53 yokken, like i said, no use poking around for those things, when meanwhile there doesn't even exist an encoder than can encode video you can playback on the pre :P Oct 01 06:18:56 01:02: Oct 01 06:18:57 last of the night Oct 01 06:18:57 did you test the aptch on your pre? Oct 01 06:18:57 sent Oct 01 06:19:06 see.. SENT! Oct 01 06:19:12 sigh Oct 01 06:19:16 Tilton53: yes, dialpad haptic feedback. Oct 01 06:19:20 unless somebody compiles ffmpeg for the pre, yes? Oct 01 06:19:22 sweet Oct 01 06:19:33 yokken, ffmpeg doesn't work for, many reasons. Oct 01 06:19:37 does the terminal app work with 1.2? Oct 01 06:19:46 yokken, go ahead and try it tho, honestly, as options go, that's one of the lesser explored ones Oct 01 06:19:46 bc all I get is a black screen Oct 01 06:20:02 Joesmith, wfm Oct 01 06:20:08 Joesmith: Mine works. :D Oct 01 06:20:12 FACK Oct 01 06:20:34 mine worked when I updated Oct 01 06:20:49 but not after the webosdoc and reinstall Oct 01 06:21:04 ffff i wish i knew what palmvideosink does. zsoc|bbl, you know? Oct 01 06:21:23 done Oct 01 06:21:26 good night Oct 01 06:21:37 yokken, it sinks the video with the gui Oct 01 06:21:44 oh, like the camera app? Oct 01 06:22:01 so palmvideosink would be used if you wanted to make a video app that actually displayed what you were taking a video of Oct 01 06:22:32 there we go now it works Oct 01 06:22:48 what is the command to break an operation? Oct 01 06:22:54 on the pre term Oct 01 06:23:03 yokken, no, because it's closed source and unusable by anything except the camera app Oct 01 06:23:22 yokken, besides, it can only sink for preview, once the video started the preview sink would have to be killed Oct 01 06:23:31 damnit Oct 01 06:23:34 Thank you egaudet Oct 01 06:23:37 I owe you a brownie. Oct 01 06:23:39 Good nite bro. Oct 01 06:23:47 is there a documentation of this somewhere? i feel like this should be common knowledge for anyone working on video Oct 01 06:23:59 * dBsooner is working on PORN? Does that count? Oct 01 06:24:28 does the virtual keyboard work as well? Oct 01 06:24:50 yokken, it IS common knowledge for the 4 people working on video :P Oct 01 06:24:59 should make a wiki Oct 01 06:25:08 there is a wiki, maybe not every piece of information is on it Oct 01 06:25:08 zsoc, has someone already tried to get videorate working? Oct 01 06:25:13 where is it? Oct 01 06:25:21 go to www.webos-internals.org Oct 01 06:25:36 sigh Oct 01 06:25:39 poke around in research and reference Oct 01 06:25:49 there's video editing page as well as a gstreamer page, edit away buddy Oct 01 06:25:51 i hate the wiki, i feel like it's never updated Oct 01 06:26:01 so do something about it :) Oct 01 06:26:11 shouldn't devs be deving and not wiki'ing? Oct 01 06:26:19 they should wiki when proper Oct 01 06:26:20 XD Oct 01 06:27:29 heh, you're gaining fans Oct 01 06:27:44 i know right? Oct 01 06:27:45 hahaha Oct 01 06:28:07 i mean, you're already from an undesirable part of the internet ;) Oct 01 06:28:13 what would that be? Oct 01 06:28:24 you know Oct 01 06:28:30 nope Oct 01 06:28:39 :3 Oct 01 06:28:45 say it, i dun curr Oct 01 06:28:52 i'm just curious to see what you know about me Oct 01 06:28:53 :3 Oct 01 06:29:19 who are you Oct 01 06:29:23 i must know Oct 01 06:29:46 This channel is strictly for discussing the internals of webOS Oct 01 06:30:09 brb, soup Oct 01 06:30:15 TO #WEBOS-WATERCOOLER! Oct 01 06:39:32 egaudet: I just sent you an email with a patch Jack87 helped me make. Oct 01 06:39:48 question- how do i write the output of a command to a file? Oct 01 06:40:36 > Oct 01 06:40:53 looks like it may have worked Oct 01 06:40:57 or >>, honestly putting that EXACT question in google will get you an in depth answer Oct 01 06:41:07 i just did that Oct 01 06:41:11 heh Oct 01 06:41:19 what are you trying to get the output of what for? Oct 01 06:41:39 gst-feedback Oct 01 06:41:47 looks like it says a ton of stuff Oct 01 06:42:09 ...it does Oct 01 06:42:13 it's a 64kb text file Oct 01 06:42:22 yokken, um, i think gst-feedback just runs gst-inspect on each element seperately Oct 01 06:42:35 which is kinda nice, right? Oct 01 06:42:41 sure :) Oct 01 06:42:59 it tells you whatcha need to know about EVERY function Oct 01 06:43:02 hey, any work is appreciated, more hands the better Oct 01 06:43:12 well, every available function, and i would argue with 'what you need to know' Oct 01 06:43:15 but i gotta be off Oct 01 06:43:16 later Oct 01 06:43:25 thanks for the help Oct 01 06:43:30 later :) Oct 01 06:46:00 good already-known news: avimux is capable of h264, divx, xvid, and dv! Oct 01 06:57:18 hi greg_roll Oct 01 06:57:24 any break through on your plugin Oct 01 06:57:44 hi, well i got AIM working Oct 01 06:57:50 just working on yahoo now Oct 01 06:57:50 sweet Oct 01 06:58:17 mentioned something in your thread about replacing a file.. will you be able to package it in Oct 01 06:59:00 yeah ill definently package it in Oct 01 06:59:06 then youll just need to install over the top Oct 01 06:59:42 all i need is aim/gtalk/msn :) no need for yahoo on my end so thats perfect in my book ;) Oct 01 07:00:03 anyway is there hope for skype Oct 01 07:00:19 skype possibly Oct 01 07:00:23 its on my todo list lol Oct 01 07:00:46 i know i saw.. have you looked into it at all yet Oct 01 07:01:49 not yet but with any chance it should be easy Oct 01 07:03:29 i'm gonna bounce... 2am and i can't figure out gstreamer. Oct 01 07:03:33 i'll see you guys later Oct 01 07:05:01 after having live messenger sign in it stops showing a lot of people from buddies list.. is that normal Oct 01 07:12:10 yeah if they are offline Oct 01 07:24:33 but their not... weird Oct 01 07:30:05 i updated to 1.2, trying to reapply patches, i get the error: quilt push -a -f Oct 01 07:30:05 File series fully applied, ends at patch /opt/src/patches/more_icons_per_row.patch Oct 01 07:32:54 do I have to start the patch process all over again Oct 01 07:33:23 JamesBaud, that one is not compatible w/ 1.2 Oct 01 07:33:32 =( Oct 01 07:33:37 ok, ty Oct 01 07:34:09 wiki says webos 1.2 ok Oct 01 07:34:43 there is a few mods like that one Oct 01 07:34:54 the patch you are using probably doesnt work Oct 01 07:35:27 do you have preware installed Oct 01 07:35:45 JamesBaud, do you have preware installed Oct 01 07:35:47 yes Oct 01 07:36:16 install the autopatch-feed Oct 01 07:36:40 k, 1 sec Oct 01 07:36:45 available applications Oct 01 07:36:47 ipkg Oct 01 07:37:33 ok, autopatch-feed is installed Oct 01 07:38:13 close preware and do quilt pop -a Oct 01 07:38:20 to unapply ally our patches Oct 01 07:38:37 and then restart luna Oct 01 07:38:37 k Oct 01 07:38:55 stop LunaSysMgr && start LunaSysMgr Oct 01 07:39:16 luna manager ftw Oct 01 07:39:31 that works Oct 01 07:39:41 Patch /opt/src/patches/more_icons_per_row.patch needs to be refreshed first. Oct 01 07:40:02 root@castle:/# quilt pop -a Oct 01 07:40:02 Patch /opt/src/patches/more_icons_per_row.patch needs to be refreshed first. Oct 01 07:40:07 try refreshing it Oct 01 07:40:07 quilt refresh Oct 01 07:40:07 -f'it Oct 01 07:40:53 that works to Oct 01 07:40:58 ok, done Oct 01 07:41:11 restart luna? Oct 01 07:41:21 after you restart luna go into preware and start installing patches from there Oct 01 07:41:43 ok, will try now Oct 01 07:41:54 cinluding 5x4 launcher or 4x4 Oct 01 07:41:54 ya Oct 01 07:41:54 stop LunaSysMgr && start LunaSysMgr Oct 01 07:42:21 no more quilt patching most patches are being converted to ipk for preware to install Oct 01 07:42:31 nice Oct 01 07:43:27 anyway... after installing the patches you want you will either need to reboot pre for them to apply or restart luna Oct 01 07:43:42 shit, launcher not working, maybee cuz i changed my global search's, ill restart now Oct 01 07:44:08 whats it doing Oct 01 07:44:28 Jack87: what patch was VeeDub talking about? Oct 01 07:44:31 i hope you dont have other patches installed like tweaks from webos quick install? Oct 01 07:44:34 when i click the launcher, it shows me Find ... and my global search links Oct 01 07:45:02 hide music app hmagoo Oct 01 07:45:04 alli really changed was the global search links Oct 01 07:45:10 oh cool Oct 01 07:45:49 i dunno Oct 01 07:45:58 luckily you can remove the patch using preware as well Oct 01 07:46:06 i do have other patches from WebOS Quick Install - Tweaks Oct 01 07:46:26 there it is hmagoo if you want to pkg it Oct 01 07:46:46 thanks man, thats beyond my current abilities. Oct 01 07:46:50 do they mess with the launcher Oct 01 07:48:29 launcher doesn't work, should i run WebOS repair utility Oct 01 07:49:17 man, I think I might just do a full restore, my notification sound doesnt work and i done so much patching and linux commands I can't even remeber what I did, lol Oct 01 07:49:18 i have not used it but hopefully it has a fix give it a shot but remove all your currently installed patches first Oct 01 07:49:25 including the package you just installed Oct 01 07:49:41 JamesBaud: yeah, repair it Oct 01 07:50:12 repairing now Oct 01 07:50:22 ya dr it start fresh and only patch using preware next time its a lot cleaner Oct 01 07:50:26 and do make sure nothing is installed in preware, themes, etc, webos quick install tweaks... because they will all still think (most of them) that you have them installed and you don't Oct 01 07:50:37 Someone answer a webOS Doctor question for me. Is it locked to phone serial numbers? (i.e. could you install a different firmware on it?) Oct 01 07:50:51 For instance, a Bell firmware on a Sprint phone Oct 01 07:51:37 id bet you can but i dunno Oct 01 07:51:41 I ask because I'm still debating which GSM Pre to import. If it's possible to re-flash with different firmwares and the hardware is the same, you could put an unlocked German firmware on an Irish QWERTY hardware. (right?) Oct 01 07:51:51 freakout, Oct 01 07:52:42 was chatting about it with Jason the other day, but he doesn't know. Oct 01 07:52:45 I have been delay the full restore because I know once it done and I install all my apps, I have to setup all my launcher pages and icons again, lol, gona take forever Oct 01 07:53:09 JamesBaud: it is a pain, I would just do the webos repair utility Oct 01 07:53:24 icons is the annoying part JamesBaud rest of it is easy Oct 01 07:53:44 were does it store the icons location on the launcher page? Can I somehow save that then restore it? Oct 01 07:53:52 last time I used it there was a setting "override compatibility" and it will restore every file Oct 01 07:54:12 no Oct 01 07:54:33 k, repair utility still running ... Oct 01 07:54:45 its some database file but i dunno where Oct 01 07:54:45 hmagoo, he needs to make sure he uninstall the patch he just tried to with preware Oct 01 07:54:54 if you dr back up your pictures Oct 01 07:55:01 anyone know how the launcher icons location are saved? i mean, it has to save it somewere Oct 01 07:56:02 man the interwebz is going crazy for google wave invites. Oct 01 07:56:57 what is google wave Oct 01 07:57:24 invite meh! Oct 01 07:58:20 jauderho, what is google wave Oct 01 07:58:22 hmagoo: check my thead Oct 01 07:58:23 thread* Oct 01 07:58:27 actually.. all of yas Oct 01 07:58:44 google "google wave" Oct 01 07:58:47 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/206249-official-1-2-0-patches-list.html Oct 01 07:58:55 it's google 's idead of next gen email Oct 01 07:58:56 aw shyt, am I restoring webos 1.1 with WebOS Repair Utility Oct 01 07:59:36 oh god, i am Oct 01 07:59:41 fail Oct 01 07:59:46 my internet is beign slow sadly Oct 01 08:00:20 lol dr it JamesBaud Oct 01 08:00:41 i think its WebOS DOctor time ... Oct 01 08:01:11 I should fix up some of the patches but I'm lazy. Oct 01 08:01:17 I cant even stop the web os repair utility Oct 01 08:02:33 you knew you should of dr oh well haha Oct 01 08:02:52 dBsooner_: cool cool Oct 01 08:03:39 someone needs to make a icon launcher program to organize icons Oct 01 08:03:51 damn, i would If I just knew were it saves too Oct 01 08:05:08 i cant remember who it was but i went over it with someone once... they had found a database file that related to the launcher with numbers Oct 01 08:05:10 3 of them Oct 01 08:05:17 couldnt figure out what they ment though Oct 01 08:05:32 if anyone can recall what i am talking about please speak up Oct 01 08:06:17 dBsooner_: what about message-tone-sounds-and-alerts Oct 01 08:06:26 Thats Contact Tone Oct 01 08:06:32 under Sounds & Alters Oct 01 08:06:34 alerts Oct 01 08:06:40 running Web OS Doctor now... Oct 01 08:06:46 I'll rename it Oct 01 08:06:54 or add an if statement Oct 01 08:08:20 nope Oct 01 08:08:23 yep Oct 01 08:08:28 dBsooner: there are two man? Oct 01 08:08:31 no Oct 01 08:08:35 let me show you Oct 01 08:08:36 hang on Oct 01 08:09:28 afaik, there were three patches ikyo made to get the separate tones for sms per contact. Oct 01 08:09:41 contacttone, sounds-alerts- and multitone Oct 01 08:09:45 oh yeah Oct 01 08:09:46 your right Oct 01 08:09:47 my bad Oct 01 08:09:53 np Oct 01 08:09:56 He has this repo all sorts of messed up right now Oct 01 08:10:15 still awesome, I installed like 25 patches, lol Oct 01 08:10:16 yeah.. you're right Oct 01 08:10:25 let me fix the list Oct 01 08:10:45 don't you show call durations in your call log without patching? Oct 01 08:11:12 I think so Oct 01 08:11:19 I think that was added in 1.2 Oct 01 08:11:24 let me look. Ihaven't patched that Oct 01 08:13:44 no not by default Oct 01 08:13:51 oh.. hmm Oct 01 08:14:38 you sure? Oct 01 08:14:55 mositive Oct 01 08:15:01 If anybody can spare 5 minutes, I need some VERY easy help from anyone with a Yahoo IM account. Oct 01 08:15:01 you can see call duration as you are talking Oct 01 08:15:05 but not in the call log Oct 01 08:15:21 whats up steve Oct 01 08:15:47 I think yahoo IM just started working on my Pre, and I just need somebody to send me one IM. All my friends are asleep Oct 01 08:16:07 wake them up Oct 01 08:16:10 lol. Oct 01 08:16:11 haha if i can remember my password i can try whats your im Oct 01 08:16:17 sn Oct 01 08:16:33 sent it to you in a private Oct 01 08:17:17 I really don't have a patch installed that makes duration show up in call log, but I have durations, and I got everything restored to stock 1.1 before updating, I thought so Oct 01 08:17:39 there Oct 01 08:18:07 Yeah, 1.2 adds it by default. Oct 01 08:18:11 ok, Web OS Doctor done, do I need to update to 1.2 first? Oct 01 08:18:21 ok Oct 01 08:18:25 100% sure 1.2 added it. Oct 01 08:18:30 added what? Oct 01 08:18:33 because I haven't patched it.. I KNOW i haven't. Oct 01 08:18:39 yeah see Oct 01 08:18:50 JamesBaud: why didn't you use 1.2 doctor? Oct 01 08:18:53 * dBsooner goes to make sure ONEMORETIME. Oct 01 08:19:05 what are we talking about 1.2 adding? Oct 01 08:19:14 call duration in call log Oct 01 08:19:20 ah. Oct 01 08:20:04 * dBsooner has: 4x4, Title Bar Date, Cam Cap w/ Vol Keys, Char Count, LED Notif, Message Landscape, Virt Keyb Oct 01 08:20:14 Yep, no call log patch. Oct 01 08:20:29 I am now 110% sure 1.2 has duration in call log standard. Oct 01 08:21:24 oh hell. I think I did something really stupid without realizing it. Anybody here know anything about he emergency patch removal tool? Oct 01 08:21:47 yeah.. it can't hurt you Oct 01 08:22:06 installing it from preware does the patch removal instantly doesn't it? Oct 01 08:22:40 emp will remove all preware patches Oct 01 08:22:41 Contact entries in the call log now show both the phone number and type. Oct 01 08:22:45 they added it when they added that Oct 01 08:22:50 dBsooner: re: VKB I think in the thread he is referring to some super simple patch that enables haptic? don't know why he would need such a patch, really Oct 01 08:23:03 me either Oct 01 08:23:15 That makes it like the Instinct Oct 01 08:23:23 Instink Oct 01 08:23:33 But I'll look into it tomorrrow. Oct 01 08:23:41 Its 3:30 am and I have to be at work in 4 hours Oct 01 08:23:42 :D Oct 01 08:23:47 cool Oct 01 08:23:53 good work man. Oct 01 08:24:15 I'm a tard. I just removed all my patches. I thought it would install an app I could run to remove them. lol. Oh well. Oct 01 08:24:20 damn it, i forget mt Palm Profile login Oct 01 08:24:41 your email addy and password JamesBaud Oct 01 08:26:08 i get: Sign In Failed : you need to be connected to your wireless service providers network to sign in Oct 01 08:26:25 // if it's true, then we hide call length Oct 01 08:26:25 this.hideduration = this.appAssistant.hideCallLogCallDuration; Oct 01 08:26:29 there it is Oct 01 08:26:30 right there Oct 01 08:26:35 they added it in 1.2 Oct 01 08:26:43 it's a control of the appassist Oct 01 08:26:50 it's going to be a setting you can turn on and off Oct 01 08:27:00 your email addy and password JamesBaud ev on top of screen james Oct 01 08:27:17 is there an ev on top of the screen JamesBaud Oct 01 08:27:52 i dont have it sadly dBsooner weird Oct 01 08:27:59 it's a setting Oct 01 08:28:08 I'll have to look up where to "enable" it Oct 01 08:28:36 i still cant log in, i think i need to re-create a new profile Oct 01 08:29:00 JamesBaud: try on the web, and get your password reset or whatever Oct 01 08:29:12 ok so its not enabled by default got it Oct 01 08:29:23 might be in a css file somewhere like the one for notifications Oct 01 08:29:28 https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface Oct 01 08:29:29 html? Oct 01 08:29:50 Jack, I didn't enable it... did I? Oct 01 08:30:13 well it seems like his internet is not working.. is there an ev next to service bars Oct 01 08:30:56 yea, im able to login on that web page, but not on the phone Oct 01 08:30:59 jack Oct 01 08:31:10 you got linux access? Oct 01 08:32:11 reboot time Oct 01 08:32:37 yes Oct 01 08:32:57 i am trying to find the command to isswue Oct 01 08:34:46 yeah, it's a setting Oct 01 08:34:50 But I don't know where to enable it Oct 01 08:34:56 and it SHOULD be on by default Oct 01 08:35:00 I'll have to look into it tomorow Oct 01 08:36:57 all those replies and no thanks Oct 01 08:36:58 lol Oct 01 08:37:02 g'night ya'll Oct 01 08:37:30 thanks Oct 01 08:37:33 have a goodnight Oct 01 08:37:34 still not working =( Oct 01 08:37:44 im gona run Web OS Doctor again with 1.2 Oct 01 08:37:44 whats nto working JamesBaud Oct 01 08:37:53 i cant sign into my profile Oct 01 08:38:01 oh ya.. Oct 01 08:38:02 and im positive i have correct login info Oct 01 08:38:32 an one more time sorry.. but next to singal bars there is an EV? Oct 01 08:38:50 no, just the signal bars Oct 01 08:39:20 ok so there is something else wrong with the phone i had same issue before Oct 01 08:39:30 do you have your msid Oct 01 08:40:00 yea Oct 01 08:40:03 type the fallowing Oct 01 08:40:35 sorry i ment msl Oct 01 08:40:58 ## on the keyboard Oct 01 08:40:59 MEID:A100000641BFC0 Oct 01 08:41:02 that? Oct 01 08:41:10 then 786 on dial pad Oct 01 08:41:15 then # on dial pad Oct 01 08:41:18 no sorry MSL Oct 01 08:41:42 you need the msl its 6 digits... you will have to get it from sprint if you dont have it Oct 01 08:42:04 it has randomly started connecting before for people to Oct 01 08:42:27 ok, will try now Oct 01 08:42:35 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201086-disabling-system-tones-during-call-3.html#post1935773 I would very ban him Oct 01 08:42:38 lol Oct 01 08:43:22 were can i fin sthe msl on sprint.com? Oct 01 08:44:34 did you do ##786# Oct 01 08:44:46 then you scroll down and at bottom there is reset button Oct 01 08:44:49 then it asks for msl Oct 01 08:44:50 nope, my bad, 1 sec Oct 01 08:45:02 only way to get it is calling sprint or going in Oct 01 08:45:23 JamesBaud, go here.... http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/194783-used-webos-dr-now-i-cant-sign-into-profile.html Oct 01 08:46:20 ok, but when i go to the phone keypad, it will only let me call customer service, thats it Oct 01 08:46:54 when you hit ## Oct 01 08:47:06 with key pad dial 786# Oct 01 08:47:14 ##786# Oct 01 08:47:36 ok Oct 01 08:48:33 do you see the Reverse logistics support screen Oct 01 08:49:04 no, it just connects me with sprint customer care Oct 01 08:49:39 oh man Oct 01 08:49:46 you are so doing it wrong lol Oct 01 08:49:53 when dial pad pops up Oct 01 08:49:58 fail =( Oct 01 08:50:05 hit 786# using the dial pad Oct 01 08:50:23 ok scratch that here lets do this you ready Oct 01 08:50:33 hook up your pre to pc via usb Oct 01 08:50:41 run webosquick install Oct 01 08:50:46 k Oct 01 08:51:14 click help Oct 01 08:51:15 about Oct 01 08:51:32 now when about screen pops up on your keyboard on the computer... type noca Oct 01 08:51:33 nova Oct 01 08:51:50 ok Oct 01 08:51:57 did new screen pop up Oct 01 08:52:07 yup, secret panel Oct 01 08:52:28 ok great.. click on RTN Reset Oct 01 08:53:09 same thing i was just talking to you about but without the required msl code from sprint Oct 01 08:53:22 i have never teseted it on webosquick install so let me know if it works Oct 01 08:53:32 ERROR: No devices found Oct 01 08:53:43 is pre connected to computer Oct 01 08:53:49 yup, usb Oct 01 08:53:57 ill reconnect Oct 01 08:54:48 ERROR: No devices found Oct 01 08:54:48 -------------------- Oct 01 08:54:48 RTN Resetting... Oct 01 08:54:48 ERROR: java.lang.NullPointerException Oct 01 08:54:48 -------------------- Oct 01 08:54:50 maybe use older versoin of quick install Oct 01 08:55:11 i have 2.53 Oct 01 08:55:43 hum weird Oct 01 08:55:52 2.6 is out, will try that Oct 01 08:56:30 did you go to that thread i sent you..... Oct 01 08:56:33 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/194783-used-webos-dr-now-i-cant-sign-into-profile.html Oct 01 08:56:36 same thing Oct 01 08:58:00 probably because its not in devmode Oct 01 08:58:06 shit.. hum.. Oct 01 08:58:11 ok back to square one Oct 01 08:58:26 hit ## on the keyboard then blue dial pad comes up Oct 01 08:58:49 when it comes up on the screen dial pad hit 786# Oct 01 08:58:55 ok, im a r tard, i got it now Oct 01 08:59:04 i got the ## Oct 01 08:59:22 ok, i got it Oct 01 08:59:30 when you scroll to bottom you can hit reset Oct 01 08:59:34 it will ask you for msl Oct 01 08:59:39 only sprint can give it to you Oct 01 09:00:12 do i have to call sprint to get it? Oct 01 09:02:11 ya Oct 01 09:02:18 tell them your pre neeeds to be rtn and you need msl code Oct 01 09:02:26 you can try dr one more time Oct 01 09:02:33 and for some people it randomly started workign Oct 01 09:02:56 maybe reset phone again or call up cs now.... and hang up see if it will refresh the network to get you connected Oct 01 09:02:59 ok, imgona try with web os doctor 1.2 Oct 01 09:03:02 did you read the thread i sent Oct 01 09:03:21 yea, ill try that, yea, i read most of thread Oct 01 09:03:38 ok cool Oct 01 09:03:43 well im going to bed good luck Oct 01 09:03:55 worst case... get msl from sprint in the morning that should fix it Oct 01 09:03:57 yes, TY for everything Oct 01 09:04:04 Im sure i can get it running, thanks man Oct 01 09:05:40 Hi..Quick question....My virtual keyboard isn't working...Can anyone help? Oct 01 09:05:53 ya.. bbassicaly your phone is not getting the internet connection from sprint Oct 01 09:06:02 goodnight JamesBaud Oct 01 09:06:05 ? Oct 01 09:06:33 I don't understand...I can get online Oct 01 09:06:57 not you qwebirc i was talking to JamesBaud i dunno why your vkeyboard isnt working Oct 01 09:07:06 oh...lol Oct 01 09:07:21 remove reinstall? Oct 01 09:07:22 I have a hard time getting it off of the launcher screen, but everything else works well Oct 01 09:07:53 did that and I get an error code 4 Oct 01 09:08:20 something is messy there qwebirc might need to talk to the vkeyboard devs Oct 01 09:08:20 error: no md5sums.patched file!? Oct 01 09:08:51 where do I go to find them? Oct 01 09:09:43 Can anyone help me fix my virtual keyboard? Oct 01 09:10:21 dunno? fix it. Oct 01 09:10:30 whats good? Oct 01 09:11:08 I cant use my virtual keyboard Oct 01 09:11:37 I tried to remove and got an error 4 code Oct 01 09:12:32 it also said this: error: no md5sums.patched file!? Oct 01 09:13:11 hello? Oct 01 09:19:34 qwebirc: sorry bro. A lot of folks stay logged in all night, but it's after 2am west coast. not a lot of real people in here Oct 01 09:19:42 I'd help, but I haven't got a clue. Oct 01 09:19:58 well thanks anyways Oct 01 09:20:20 well, you're welcome, not that you have much to thank me for. lol Oct 01 09:23:43 hello. Oct 01 09:23:58 hello Oct 01 09:24:08 its 5:23 east coast Oct 01 09:24:19 yes it is Oct 01 09:24:26 why are you trying to remove the virtual keyboard Oct 01 09:24:47 cuz it's not working Oct 01 09:25:01 can you connect to the terminal Oct 01 09:25:08 and remove it from there? Oct 01 09:25:28 no...I keep getting that error 4 code Oct 01 09:26:38 connect to the shell, with putty Oct 01 09:26:42 and novacmd u know? Oct 01 09:26:46 novapoxy Oct 01 09:27:13 I will try that....thank you Oct 01 09:27:16 do that Oct 01 09:27:23 look up how to remove the service. Oct 01 09:27:36 Got it Oct 01 09:27:48 u know.. Oct 01 09:28:09 I mean I've got the webpage up Oct 01 09:28:33 Thanks for your help Oct 01 11:22:55 Morning folks. Anyone in? Oct 01 11:23:30 I'm wondering why my pre isn't seeing any sign of os 1.2 -Is this normal? Oct 01 11:34:15 anyone know whether you can upgrade the os with wifi only? Oct 01 11:56:02 http://wklej.org/id/162061/ any idea? Oct 01 11:56:08 this is no longer in feeds? Oct 01 12:27:37 make a file called autopatch.conf with this line in it:src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all/ Oct 01 12:28:09 src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all/ Oct 01 12:28:17 that line Oct 01 12:29:10 put the file in /var/etc/ipkg Oct 01 12:29:33 to see the patches in preware Oct 01 12:35:35 cool, gonna update preware and try it Oct 01 12:38:29 ho folks - anyone know how I can trigger a 1.2 update? The updates app just says everything is up to date... Oct 01 12:48:35 thanks hmagoo Oct 01 12:48:53 i'm a little behind, i've been in europe for the past week so idk whats going on :) Oct 01 12:50:33 just installed some packages and restarted. woohoo for my 4x4 launcher back Oct 01 12:50:51 and YES for new cards for each message Oct 01 12:51:24 Some of these things are small tweaks Palm could add to preferences Oct 01 12:53:50 lmorchard|away: hey when you get back PM me Oct 01 12:55:44 didnt notice palm released an upload method Oct 01 12:55:47 time to have some fun Oct 01 13:05:41 precentral has a nice article btw =p Oct 01 13:11:01 what is a clean messages timestamp? Oct 01 13:14:54 patch Oct 01 13:16:30 I believe its just an updated version of the message timestamp that installs cleanly after 1.2. The line numbers match. Oct 01 13:17:38 tharris-: on the vunerability Oct 01 13:17:38 ? Oct 01 13:18:34 yeah Oct 01 13:20:17 yea very nice Oct 01 13:20:26 i remember my exploiting days Oct 01 13:21:13 heh Oct 01 13:22:43 they plugged that one right Oct 01 13:22:43 ? Oct 01 13:30:49 lmorchard: great work on the flickr app Oct 01 13:33:09 atlanta: Oh, thanks! Needs a lot of work yet, but the basic uploading works, so wanted to get it out there Oct 01 13:33:42 yea i remember talking to you about the upload but couldnt get it before Oct 01 13:33:46 Open source, too, if you want to see how the download manager gets used Oct 01 13:33:48 nice to see they added the upload deature Oct 01 13:33:58 yea that im looking at now Oct 01 13:34:00 Yeah, that basically clinched it Oct 01 13:34:13 morning Oct 01 13:34:33 I had all the bits for auth and request signing, but just couldn't get a clean image to Flickr until the download manager got uploads Oct 01 13:34:55 Funny thing was I'd started hacking on a Java service of my own to do exactly what that does now Oct 01 13:35:20 G'mornin ya'll Oct 01 13:35:22 lol yea i remember talking about getting one done, kudos to palm Oct 01 13:35:36 you get the full path name of the image from the filepicker right Oct 01 13:35:51 Yup yup Oct 01 13:36:11 cool ill go look at those api's now make a nice little twitpic app Oct 01 13:36:36 i like how you did the auth, when i was going to make a facebook app i was wondering how to get the auth to work Oct 01 13:37:47 I might try pulling the external browser step into a WebView widget, but for some reason the "Ok" button on the flickr.com side didn't work at first Oct 01 13:38:31 But it's probably okay, since I think Flickr recommends the external browser launch to further enforce the idea that you're doing the approval outside the app, and it's not phishing you Oct 01 13:38:47 exactly Oct 01 13:39:03 i didnt like how the webview looked anyways so nice alternative Oct 01 13:39:15 At some point soon, I'm going to play with something using OAuth, which has a similar flow Oct 01 13:39:17 time to make some nice apps Oct 01 13:39:22 wheee! Oct 01 13:39:36 yea i was looking at the AUTH that facebook has now and i hate Oct 01 13:39:36 it Oct 01 13:39:46 i like the normal http api calls Oct 01 13:39:53 they all went to the REST format Oct 01 13:39:57 Most of Facebook's stuff is kind of janky, despite being popular Oct 01 13:40:04 which kinda confuses Oct 01 13:40:04 me Oct 01 13:40:21 yea i noticed Oct 01 13:40:48 Tech edited a book on Facebook app dev, and pretty much every other page was "really?" Oct 01 13:42:36 lol Oct 01 13:43:24 lmorchard: check your PM Oct 01 13:45:10 looks like freenode is restarting ircd on the servers Oct 01 14:51:45 egaudet: ping? Oct 01 14:57:58 anhyone know Special Characters by heaRT? Oct 01 14:58:04 %22, %220, etc? Oct 01 14:58:50 i used to, when i got to that point, i had to find a Haitian to erase my memory Oct 01 14:59:22 yeah, me tool. Oct 01 15:01:37 found it Oct 01 15:01:50 %22 = " Oct 01 15:02:04 so %220%22= "0" Oct 01 15:02:24 One wonders why Palm chose to use glibc. It doesn't make sense to me. It's comparatively huge and bulky to other options. Oct 01 15:02:25 I use this page Oct 01 15:02:25 http://www.albionresearch.com/misc/urlencode.php Oct 01 15:02:52 I usually just build a php script for myself Oct 01 15:02:52 lol Oct 01 15:02:59 And they can't complain and maintainers, uClibc is extremely well maintained. Oct 01 15:03:04 specialchars($string) Oct 01 15:03:08 s/and/about Oct 01 15:03:37 anyone got any ideas why my (cracked) pre might be refusing to update to 1.2 ? Oct 01 15:04:09 busybox compiled statically on uClibc is just over 300k, that's ridiculous. Oct 01 15:04:45 ConfusedVorlon_, what's a cracked pre? like you're running X on it? Or it's working on a carrier other than Sprint? Oct 01 15:04:56 Joesmith: ping? Oct 01 15:05:06 CRACKED? Oct 01 15:05:17 Or did you break the casing somehow? Oct 01 15:05:18 you mean "linux accessed"? Oct 01 15:05:36 "linux accessed", lol Oct 01 15:05:44 yeah.. it's not "rooted" Oct 01 15:05:46 I hate that term. Oct 01 15:05:54 Technically you 'access linux' everytime you pick up the phone :P Oct 01 15:06:04 Maybe you could say 'accessing the linux terminal' or something similar Oct 01 15:06:08 The pre is already rooted.. luna runs things as root Oct 01 15:06:21 why was the led notifications patch updated? Oct 01 15:06:38 This is why patches need changelogs. where's the gitweb? :P Oct 01 15:06:50 ok.. you mean "novatermed/sshd(dropbear/openssh/whatever)"? Oct 01 15:06:59 PuffTheMagic: yes Oct 01 15:07:04 zsoc: everything needs change logs Oct 01 15:07:05 PuffTheMagic: I have a thread Oct 01 15:07:08 I HAVE one Oct 01 15:07:11 sheesh Oct 01 15:07:12 description should not be used for changelog Oct 01 15:07:13 lazy pups Oct 01 15:07:24 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/206249-official-1-2-0-patches-list.html Oct 01 15:07:30 created it last night to keep track Oct 01 15:07:44 once it is "released to public" (autopatch), I will update wiki Oct 01 15:07:49 i precentral none the less Oct 01 15:08:04 Whatever Oct 01 15:08:05 it's there Oct 01 15:08:11 and it was egaudet and my idea Oct 01 15:08:16 why would anyone use a canadian build cross-compiling environment? Why is it even called that? I bet Jason has something to do with it.. Oct 01 15:08:18 you want the list, go get it Oct 01 15:08:18 so what changed in the led thing Oct 01 15:08:19 * zsoc mumbles Oct 01 15:08:29 until egaudet and I can get the repo organized into changelogs, go there. Oct 01 15:08:40 PuffTheMagic: nothing. What was wrong with it? Oct 01 15:08:50 im asking u Oct 01 15:08:52 cause it was updated Oct 01 15:08:57 so i want to know why Oct 01 15:09:00 run a diff/changelog on the repo Oct 01 15:09:14 I didn't upodate it Oct 01 15:09:18 I just know it works Oct 01 15:09:19 :D Oct 01 15:09:22 well preware shows it was updated Oct 01 15:09:31 maybe it got bumped some how Oct 01 15:09:37 I don't have access to build.git Oct 01 15:14:10 i think its because he added a screenshot Oct 01 15:14:25 :/ Oct 01 15:14:35 that should not affect the release date Oct 01 15:14:41 someone needs to fix the autobuilder Oct 01 15:15:49 * dBsooner doesn't have access! Oct 01 15:15:56 :D Oct 01 15:16:01 Otherwise I would love to work on it Oct 01 15:17:36 zsoc: sorry about slow response. Yup, my 'cracked' pre is one that isn't connected to a network. I'm using a cdma pre in the UK for testing - so had to bypass the activation nonsense Oct 01 15:18:15 ConfusedVorlon_, ah, in that sense "cracked" isn't as terrible a misnomer as i originally feared :P Oct 01 15:19:08 unfortunately I don't have much experience with an unactivated pre.... i don't see why 1.2 wouldn't take tho. I mean you can just doctor it with the new image right? Oct 01 15:19:26 I don't have experience either. Oct 01 15:19:45 ConfusedVorlon_: Do you have any idea HOW it was cracked? Was it hardware modified? Oct 01 15:19:50 well so i was in europe for a week Oct 01 15:19:54 and i missed my pre ;( Oct 01 15:20:21 if it were hardware cracked, I would assume it couild accept the code via webosdoctor. Oct 01 15:20:23 dbSooner: I pretty much followed instructions on webosdev Oct 01 15:20:49 iirc, it required modifying the 'first run' app Oct 01 15:20:58 Itf it were SOFTWARE cracked, I worry the WebOSupdate might overwrite that as webosdoctor includes runtime updates for Bell and Sprint respectivley. Oct 01 15:21:11 yup, that was worrying me too Oct 01 15:21:11 * zsoc is considering building a cc toolchain with crosstool-ng Oct 01 15:21:36 I might have to just wait until the gsm one comes out... Oct 01 15:21:45 ConfusedVorlon_: Can you find that post on the wiki? Oct 01 15:22:03 If you can find that post you originally followed, I can adapt it to the 1.2 webosdoc for you. Oct 01 15:22:12 zsoc: what a bumb... use gentoo and crossdev Oct 01 15:22:25 Ubuntu FTW Oct 01 15:22:42 PuffTheMagic: Do you know if there is a VM that can do RDA (Raw Disk Access)? Oct 01 15:22:58 Meaning, I would like to boot my Win7 partition from inside a VM in linux. Oct 01 15:23:16 zsoc: ubuntu dont have debs for mjson/cjson/libgdbus... and prob more Oct 01 15:23:18 Yeah, I said the dirty word. Oct 01 15:23:38 you could set up Gentoo in VirtualBox for Pre stuff Oct 01 15:24:20 or u could just run gentoo cause its better :D Oct 01 15:24:30 No Oct 01 15:24:41 I have nothing against Gentoo, but not everyone wants to spend all of their time configuring their system and compiling software. :p Oct 01 15:24:42 dBsooner: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Bypassing_Activation Oct 01 15:24:45 I am actually happy with Linux right now. Oct 01 15:24:48 PuffTheMagic, debs are for sissies :P Oct 01 15:25:10 I ran Quicken 2009 with ZERO issues last night Oct 01 15:25:12 I was soo happy. Oct 01 15:25:14 it is pretty handy sometimes though Oct 01 15:25:18 That was a main reason for switching back last time. Oct 01 15:25:25 well evenif u use source you will have to do it all by hand Oct 01 15:25:28 There's no advantage to gentoo over any other linux flavor for building a tool chain. I mean you're _building_ the tool chain, not installing some package :P Oct 01 15:25:38 That and I can't figure out why my ACPI keeps turning on my system fan full speed after resume from sleep/hiber. Oct 01 15:25:53 zsoc: why are u building a toolchain? Oct 01 15:25:53 zsoc: are you gonna work on services? Oct 01 15:26:00 zsoc: if so u need to link to packages Oct 01 15:26:04 which means u need to build packages Oct 01 15:26:16 ConfusedVorlon_: I am going to pm you. Oct 01 15:26:23 i guess if u are just gonna look at your toolchain then fine Oct 01 15:26:27 dBsooner, try passing noapic on boot. acpi is for sissies anyway ;) Oct 01 15:26:49 PuffTheMagic, I just need to build some binaries that are compatible with arm and glibc 2.5 Oct 01 15:27:02 zsoc: ok.. Thanks.. I'll try that. Because I would check the fanstate in the acpi and it was set to "0" or off. Oct 01 15:27:04 noapic is for people with broken/old mobo's Oct 01 15:27:11 It has settings 0-4 i think Oct 01 15:27:12 0 being off Oct 01 15:27:15 and 4 being full plast Oct 01 15:27:18 blast* Oct 01 15:27:23 PuffTheMagic, or broken version of linux, like ubuntu ;) Oct 01 15:27:32 nothing to do with sissies Oct 01 15:27:35 no sensor was reporting over temp or anything. It only happens when resume. Oct 01 15:27:58 zsoc: so u are building packages Oct 01 15:28:12 PuffTheMagic, i'm building plugin binaries. Oct 01 15:28:22 zsoc: those binaries need more than just glib 2.5 compat Oct 01 15:28:29 PuffTheMagic, ones which i've already done on a debian system Oct 01 15:28:44 plugin binaries? Oct 01 15:28:52 maybe that's a misnomer Oct 01 15:35:52 Rick_work: ping Oct 01 15:40:06 PuffTheMagic: can I pm you for a quick non-electronics related question? Oct 01 15:43:34 XBmodder from WinMo world? Oct 01 15:49:11 Sargun: PING? Oct 01 15:49:18 pong Oct 01 15:49:28 I was about to step out. Oct 01 15:49:35 and no, not xbmodder from the winmo world Oct 01 15:49:38 Your nick you just had was XBmodder.. the same one from Winmo? Oct 01 15:49:39 ok Oct 01 15:49:40 thanks Oct 01 15:49:43 all I wanted to know. Oct 01 15:49:49 I thought I had a fellow "convert" for a minute Oct 01 15:49:50 lol Oct 01 15:50:20 as if a ton of people aren't moving away from winmo Oct 01 15:50:53 lol Oct 01 15:51:08 oil: I know they are.. but in this chatroom with the pre. Oct 01 15:51:20 The "smaller world" if you will. Oct 01 15:52:33 with 130 users, 20 of which ever talk Oct 01 15:54:23 dBsooner, I haven't heard of any other xbmodder Oct 01 15:54:26 tharris-: your hack is up on precentrals front page Oct 01 15:55:00 xbmodder sounds a lot like someone who plays with the xbox Oct 01 15:55:06 I do. Oct 01 15:55:09 erm, did Oct 01 15:55:11 oil: I know Oct 01 15:55:13 lol Oct 01 15:55:20 oil: So did the guy on WinMo Oct 01 15:55:28 i modded the crap out of my og xbox Oct 01 15:55:40 he is a member @ the gsm side of winmo's modifications site Oct 01 15:55:45 I can't rmemeber the name right now Oct 01 15:55:47 Interesting Oct 01 15:56:04 * dBsooner searches Oct 01 15:56:34 ahh Oct 01 15:56:39 more HTC/WInMo stuff Oct 01 15:56:47 http://forum.xda-developers.com/ Oct 01 15:56:56 http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=xbmodder Oct 01 15:57:04 lol Oct 01 15:57:21 Well, I'm the real xbmodder Oct 01 15:57:26 lol Oct 01 15:57:32 oil, that's me Oct 01 15:57:36 oil, since Puff isn't answering me, can I pm you for a quick off-topic question? Oct 01 15:57:47 ok? Oct 01 15:59:20 so egaudet posted the autopatch stuff, and the preware thread has been on fire Oct 01 15:59:21 lol Oct 01 15:59:25 puff was doing some heavy compiling, i'm sure he prolly just borked his connection or something Oct 01 15:59:41 gentoo is vlasted Oct 01 15:59:50 OIL, HE ANNOUNCED? Oct 01 15:59:55 He wasn;'t suppoesd to do that yet Oct 01 16:00:09 he just dropped a hint on how to do it Oct 01 16:00:19 and added the config 'app' to pym Oct 01 16:00:36 oil: check my thread on patches Oct 01 16:00:41 I am the keeper of the goods Oct 01 16:01:08 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/206249-official-1-2-0-patches-list.html Oct 01 16:02:27 anyone know much about the emergency patch recovery program? I installed a theme over the date in luna patch and now I can't uninstall it (its not working either). I was hoping this might help me out without using the webos recovery or the dr. Oct 01 16:03:26 all i know about it is, use it. Oct 01 16:03:35 use it Oct 01 16:03:40 remove your theme first Oct 01 16:03:43 then run epr Oct 01 16:03:49 then install theme Oct 01 16:03:53 will do, thanks Oct 01 16:03:54 then install patches Oct 01 16:05:25 someone with the ability should clarify in the description that its EPR is not a program that will sit in the launcher wating to be run, but runs on install. Oct 01 16:05:41 runs and removes itself after it runs Oct 01 16:05:55 yes, its not clear about that Oct 01 16:05:55 Will update that description when I get accss to build.git, thanks Ron0001. Oct 01 16:06:06 np Oct 01 16:06:10 thank you Oct 01 16:06:25 BTW: Where did you get the theme? Oct 01 16:06:30 prethemer? Oct 01 16:06:53 origonal blue theme from preware precentral feed I believe Oct 01 16:07:23 don't install that Oct 01 16:07:28 it had an issue with yeserdays update with dialpad icons, and I uninstalled it and then reinstalled todays update, and the date in luna went away Oct 01 16:07:29 bad mojo Oct 01 16:07:33 really? Oct 01 16:07:46 yea, there is a reason I had Dieter turn off their feed Oct 01 16:07:56 YTou can't download themes. Oct 01 16:08:22 I thought prethemers themes were fixed? Oct 01 16:08:43 yes, from precentrals website, but they are in the preware feeds Oct 01 16:08:53 s/I had Dieter turn off their feed/I asked Dieter to turn off their feed/ Oct 01 16:09:13 Ron0001: No, Precentral's feed has been turned off. Oct 01 16:09:28 Their XML does not send out a zip file location, therefor our build.git does not build their zip's into ipkg's. Oct 01 16:09:52 then how did I just use it? let me update my feeds Oct 01 16:10:04 ok. I wont use them then Oct 01 16:10:04 Verify its a precentral theme Oct 01 16:10:12 it shouldnt have even been able to download Oct 01 16:10:16 and not com.prethemer.* Oct 01 16:10:23 he disabled the feed and turned off download access to the zips Oct 01 16:10:30 you are right, prethemer Oct 01 16:10:39 my bad Oct 01 16:10:45 oil: he just disabled access to download from teh page itself.. ther eis no "download link" on the themes pae Oct 01 16:10:54 but there is still access if you know the exact URL to the zip file Oct 01 16:11:14 Ron0001: check prethemer's website and make sure it says it's updated to 1.2 Oct 01 16:13:16 I was attempted yesterday for 1.2 but had an icon issue in dialpad Oct 01 16:13:27 interesting Oct 01 16:13:44 give me a link to the download ipkg when you get a chance Oct 01 16:13:48 I'll take a look at it Oct 01 16:13:54 or even better Oct 01 16:14:02 will do, I have a client in a room and will be back Oct 01 16:14:15 if you have 7zip on your computer (because I don't here at work), can you extract the "postinst" file from the ipkg for me and show it to me. Oct 01 16:16:42 oil, can you do me a flavor? Oct 01 16:17:32 That's not really interesting, all the 1.2 theme problems are dialer incompatibilities. Oct 01 16:17:44 ? Oct 01 16:18:01 ? what? they changed the way images are cut in the dialer app Oct 01 16:18:57 why do people ask to PM, /query != /dcc Oct 01 16:19:34 PuffTheMagic: because A lot of people get upset to be pm'd Oct 01 16:19:40 I haven't DCC'd in like 20 years Oct 01 16:19:44 I just query Oct 01 16:19:52 but I ask for permission because of it. Oct 01 16:20:11 if u get upset cause of a pm you have issues Oct 01 16:20:13 zsoc: I bet they changed image slicing Oct 01 16:20:58 dBsooner, yes, actually, something about 12 images broken up or something, didn't get the whole story. Oct 01 16:20:59 oil: Can you update the OP of Preware to include a link to the "OFFICIAL: webOS 1.2.0 Patches List" for preware's autopatch list? xD Oct 01 16:21:12 zsoc: to increase load speed Oct 01 16:21:28 yes, and it worked lol Oct 01 16:21:31 zsoc: oddly, it's easier/faster for the page to get painted with a bunch of little images than it is for one big one Oct 01 16:21:34 preware doesn't care about patches Oct 01 16:21:37 its just another package Oct 01 16:21:45 Grrr Oct 01 16:21:54 I just wanted more visibility of it. Oct 01 16:21:57 dBsooner, not that odd, it's all software rendering Oct 01 16:21:59 Tis why I asked. Oct 01 16:22:02 Thanks though oil. Oct 01 16:22:19 nobody reads teh first post anyways Oct 01 16:22:26 * dBsooner does. Oct 01 16:23:10 you're the only one Oct 01 16:23:29 Well good for me then. Oct 01 16:23:36 I guess I am just old school forum user. Oct 01 16:23:43 Where the OP gets updated with useful info all the time. Oct 01 16:26:16 http://hollywoodphony.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/iphone-mms-penis-pictures-crash-servers/ Oct 01 16:27:09 looks like an article I would expect on the ontion Oct 01 16:27:14 onion* Oct 01 16:27:48 Excellent. Oct 01 16:28:35 * oil sends a pictures to friends with iphones Oct 01 16:32:16 Hello anyone here? Oct 01 16:33:27 Yes definately lots Oct 01 16:33:54 always here, no life, etc Oct 01 16:34:00 how come i don't see anyone chattin then, sorry new here.. Oct 01 16:34:08 oops ok Oct 01 16:34:10 You've been here for... 30 seconds? Oct 01 16:34:15 lol Oct 01 16:34:17 yeah Oct 01 16:34:50 sometimes we take little breaks to let our keyboards cool down Oct 01 16:35:24 I wish I could borrow the brain of a genius working-set/toolchain genius guru for like, 2 hours. Oct 01 16:36:45 flattery will get you everywhere Oct 01 16:38:09 robbski - we check chat in between stuff on our day jobs... we respond, but not instantly... it's the nature of IRC... Oct 01 16:38:31 and for the majority of us, our day jobs suck Oct 01 16:38:32 ahhhh k... Oct 01 16:39:02 Zsoc - Can't be that bad? Oct 01 16:40:16 well, if you're in here you're interested in development of some sort. not all of our jobs are development based. therefore some of us have jobs we aren't interested in Oct 01 16:41:18 my day job doesn't suck Oct 01 16:41:28 but If I am in here too much, I don't get my work done. Oct 01 16:41:32 so i'll be back Oct 01 16:46:45 brb... Oct 01 16:47:00 later all Oct 01 16:47:17 http://hollywoodphony.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/iphone-mms-penis-pictures-crash-servers/ Oct 01 16:47:25 ?Within the first few minutes, our network was flooded with nearly 3.4 million MMS messages and the early data shows that almost 98% of those were pictures of our male customers? penises,? stated Ronald MacArthur, head of data traffic for the company. Oct 01 16:47:43 punzada, lol puff JUST posted that Oct 01 16:48:13 lol i see Oct 01 16:51:13 ?? Oct 01 16:54:58 anything new? Oct 01 17:21:27 oil: Yeah it is neat! Oct 01 17:21:33 dBsooner, I have a break from clients for a bit, do you still need me to get you the link for theme ipkg? Oct 01 17:26:20 * Mousey feeds trolls Oct 01 17:27:50 good afternoon Oct 01 17:28:30 I see dBsooner has left the house. I just read the logs, so there is an issue with themes and the dialpad then. Oct 01 17:34:05 yey they finally fixed that stupid bug in browser Oct 01 17:34:51 when you have a link like 10.09.2009 it no longer threats it as a phone number Oct 01 17:34:55 :D Oct 01 17:34:57 yey :D Oct 01 17:45:00 Ron0001: yeah, on the prethemer forums you can see everything that has been changed in 1.2 regarding to images, and it is quite a bit Oct 01 17:45:17 there are some themes which are current Oct 01 17:47:44 iphone privacy wha? Oct 01 17:50:26 geez I need to find a better font for this. Oct 01 18:12:48 removing a theme through preware screwed up a lot of patches Oct 01 18:12:55 applied through quilt Oct 01 18:13:32 but i just had to pop -a, restart luna, and push -a Oct 01 18:15:56 can someone explain to me how multiple patches to the same file don't interfere with each other during installation and removal? Oct 01 18:16:59 the + and - Oct 01 18:17:10 - code, + code in it's place Oct 01 18:17:26 sometimes if you apply a patch it succeeds but the code is offset X lines Oct 01 18:17:49 bc the patch is looking to cut and replace based on the + and - Oct 01 18:18:38 patches suck because they are always reversed with updates and then when the update is installed the patch may not work until that is updated Oct 01 18:18:52 that's why i am starting to hate this theme crap that themes the stock apps Oct 01 18:21:05 i dont think themes and patches will ever play nice Oct 01 18:21:07 so there is some tolerance for a match within x lines of the stated line then. Oct 01 18:21:55 oil, as i just found out for myself :) Oct 01 18:22:15 seems easier to manually replace the icons and make my own edits anyway Oct 01 18:24:16 Ron0001, yep all of the patches listed in the 1.2 OK section will apply without errors Oct 01 18:27:07 i wish there was some way (beyond sorting by latest) to demarkate (in preware?) apps not updated since the 1.2 update Oct 01 18:29:06 I agree Oct 01 18:29:24 honestly i have everything back on my phone that i had before 1.1 Oct 01 18:29:28 and more since 1.2 Oct 01 18:30:01 I do as well, except for the theme Oct 01 18:30:15 oh, preware applied my theme with ease Oct 01 18:31:12 did I ever say how much I hate updating resumes and writing coverletters? Oct 01 18:31:23 gl with that PuffTheMagic Oct 01 18:31:29 i'm out c ya all Oct 01 18:31:29 antianalog, use the autopatch feed with preware :D Oct 01 18:31:35 its done and sent out Oct 01 18:31:36 but thanks Oct 01 18:31:41 mine did too, but it messed up some patches. I've run the emergency patch recovery tool (who wrote that anyway?) and I'm tempted to try again with clean files. Oct 01 18:31:42 but yea patches will NEVER be "clean" Oct 01 18:31:54 egaudet: they can be clean Oct 01 18:32:08 stop adding whitespace Oct 01 18:32:14 touch a little of a file as possible Oct 01 18:32:22 PuffTheMagic, I meant with regards to webos and updates Oct 01 18:32:46 and even then things like the "show real battery %" and "show battery % icon" can't automatically play well together and need manual intervention Oct 01 18:33:31 nor can show date and show date without year, that should be combined into one with an option at install or something Oct 01 18:33:55 nah Oct 01 18:33:56 Ron0001: no Oct 01 18:34:09 it can't be an install option Oct 01 18:34:27 we'd need a C service and socket redirect stdin or something funky Oct 01 18:34:53 it would be nice to gray out incompatable patches Oct 01 18:34:55 or if it was static options at install we'd need to modify the gui and preware is generic installer not specific Oct 01 18:35:36 someone could put the show actual percent patch in with the % and icon patch though ;) Oct 01 18:35:47 might take me three hours Oct 01 18:36:18 hmagoo, yea that someone can do and it would be easy Oct 01 18:36:25 Ron0001: we would need to add a way to include webos comatability in the feeds and then ipkgservice/preware would need to check the webos version Oct 01 18:36:32 the actual percent patch just changes "percent_ui" to "percent" in a few places Oct 01 18:36:35 preyourmind.org already supports webos versions Oct 01 18:36:41 just need to add that info in the feed Oct 01 18:36:59 PuffTheMagic, yea I agree with webos versions being part of metadata Oct 01 18:37:19 but THAT is something that Rod and the others will have to agree on Oct 01 18:37:21 yeah a simple array of versions that are compat Oct 01 18:37:38 egaudet: this is the shit I dont understand Oct 01 18:38:35 anything could go into the Source: json filed Oct 01 18:38:39 it wont break anything Oct 01 18:39:12 it wont' break anything I agree, but if we added something and changed preware, and then pmp added something and changed preload, and then jason added something and changed QI Oct 01 18:39:15 things get stupid Oct 01 18:39:32 then people could make the same item mean different things and the installers would parse them different etc... it would be a nightmare Oct 01 18:39:33 stupid? Oct 01 18:40:05 so for metadata in ipk, it has to be agreed by all the major players. I stay out of that stuff though so dont' ask me Oct 01 18:40:14 yeah but if we want to add feature and test it out before we go telling people to do the same we shoudl be able to Oct 01 18:40:34 we make all the decisions with out testing/trying them Oct 01 18:40:42 seems backwards Oct 01 18:41:25 PuffTheMagic, well I think testing/trying things internally is fair game Oct 01 18:41:28 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards Oct 01 18:41:34 we can do whatever the heck we want internally Oct 01 18:41:37 though Oct 01 18:41:44 i dont know how to get the version number from within preware Oct 01 18:41:52 oil: i do :D Oct 01 18:41:58 i do too Oct 01 18:42:02 lol Oct 01 18:42:06 well then Oct 01 18:42:11 tap on the screen and ask nicely Oct 01 18:42:12 it was in the original spec for the feed Oct 01 18:42:24 i dont know why it hasn't been implemented Oct 01 18:42:40 lol, the posts on the preware thread are about every 10 minutes Oct 01 18:42:55 nah, 3 minutes Oct 01 18:43:06 oil: i dont see webos version in the feed spec anywhere Oct 01 18:43:09 get in there oil ;) Oct 01 18:44:31 yea me either Oct 01 18:44:34 oil are you seeing things Oct 01 18:44:52 quick question, guys.... I am in wosqi2.03 in the install list and just am not seeing "Messaging Plugins." Am I blind? :) Oct 01 18:45:22 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware_Design#XML_Feeds Oct 01 18:45:32 Oct 01 18:46:05 so it's spec'd Oct 01 18:46:06 DOOO IT Oct 01 18:47:07 Yea, when I wrote that XML spec it was so long ago, we didn't even have the main feed formatted yet. Oct 01 18:48:14 wtf did puff do to the packaging standards page?! Oct 01 18:48:16 lol Oct 01 18:48:28 What page is that? Oct 01 18:48:44 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards Oct 01 18:49:15 lol PuffTheMagic format fail Oct 01 18:49:20 yeah Oct 01 18:49:22 nah that was a few people. mostly puff whitby and them Oct 01 18:49:22 not my fault Oct 01 18:49:26 He must have been stoned Oct 01 18:49:42 someone wiki template sucks Oct 01 18:49:47 andis made of fail Oct 01 18:49:52 trying to fix Oct 01 18:50:40 one of the tables isnt closed Oct 01 18:51:10 anyone? :) Oct 01 18:52:25 fixed now Oct 01 18:52:27 PuffTheMagic, WebOSCompat json array? Oct 01 18:52:32 yeah Oct 01 18:52:38 [{major: 1, minor: 1, patch: 0}, ...] Oct 01 18:52:38 some patches might work with more than one version Oct 01 18:52:39 and Oct 01 18:52:40 KnoxBNYC: what did u ask Oct 01 18:52:42 no Oct 01 18:52:44 not like that Oct 01 18:52:59 [14:44] quick question, guys.... I am in wosqi2.03 in the install list and just am not seeing "Messaging Plugins." Am I blind? :) Oct 01 18:52:59 ["1.1.0","1.2.0"] Oct 01 18:53:03 so not a json array Oct 01 18:53:07 just an array Oct 01 18:53:10 yes a json array Oct 01 18:53:19 json object uses keys Oct 01 18:53:28 key-value pairs Oct 01 18:53:44 that is just an array Oct 01 18:53:53 KnoxBNYC: couldn't help you with that one it might not be in there Oct 01 18:53:54 no Oct 01 18:53:55 lol Oct 01 18:53:58 are you chliling the right feed Oct 01 18:53:59 ? Oct 01 18:54:05 atlanta: k. thanks anyway :) Oct 01 18:54:06 egaudet: you showed a json array of json objects Oct 01 18:54:06 array, json array, same difference Oct 01 18:54:14 i showed a json array of strings Oct 01 18:54:21 KnoxBNYC: at the top you can change feeds etc Oct 01 18:54:26 oil: i said json cause i dont want it xml Oct 01 18:54:27 :D Oct 01 18:54:28 ok oil says it means the same thing whatever, i dont see any keys in that array Oct 01 18:54:34 atanta: Yeah, i did that. Oct 01 18:54:34 [0] = 1.1.0 Oct 01 18:54:37 last time i checked wosqi didnt work with webos 1.2 right Oct 01 18:54:38 KnoxBNYC: does the messaging plugins thread say thats where it will be? Oct 01 18:54:52 hmagoo: yes Oct 01 18:55:10 KnoxBNYC: what version of webos you got on your phone Oct 01 18:55:11 ? Oct 01 18:55:13 atlanta: the install portoin of it does. the tweaks part, not so much Oct 01 18:55:18 v1.2.0 Oct 01 18:55:26 *portion Oct 01 18:55:27 oh ok the tweak part doesnt Oct 01 18:55:28 gotcha Oct 01 18:55:37 i dont like using software to do my tweaks anyway Oct 01 18:55:42 thanks for letting me know that Oct 01 18:56:00 *some* of the tweak parts work. a new version of wosqi is sposed to be out tomorrow (if not earlier) Oct 01 18:56:00 atlanta, you can't NOT use software to do your tweaks :P Oct 01 18:56:09 unless your tweaks are like soldering Oct 01 18:56:15 egaudet: you know what i ment loser Oct 01 18:56:15 lol Oct 01 18:56:18 funny guy Oct 01 18:56:20 The autopatch feed in preware works for patches Oct 01 18:56:25 :P Oct 01 18:56:37 autopatch Oct 01 18:56:38 ? Oct 01 18:56:42 I only like to use hardware, with no embedded software Oct 01 18:56:43 ;) Oct 01 18:56:54 and QI will be using the autopatch feed when the new version gets released, Jason is working on sending me some of the patches he's been maintaining Oct 01 18:57:01 atlanta, open preware Oct 01 18:57:04 wow. this is the first time i've used IRC in almost a decade! Oct 01 18:57:10 ahhh no service at work Oct 01 18:57:14 ill look at it later Oct 01 18:57:18 egaudet: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards Oct 01 18:57:19 atlanta, who needs service? Oct 01 18:57:21 i cleaned it up Oct 01 18:57:27 KnoxBNYC: welcome back? Oct 01 18:57:31 lol Oct 01 18:57:36 set preware to update feeds manually Oct 01 18:57:43 ok Oct 01 18:57:49 whats with those extra newlines? Oct 01 18:57:52 but nevermind Oct 01 18:57:56 KnoxBNYC: link to the thread? Oct 01 18:57:58 cuz you can't read the autopatch feed without service Oct 01 18:58:04 yea Oct 01 18:58:06 autopatch? Oct 01 18:58:11 oil: u tralking to me? Oct 01 18:58:14 and pre doesnt support proxy so wifi is no go Oct 01 18:58:15 lol Oct 01 18:58:20 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq.html Oct 01 18:58:25 egaudet: look at that 1 bar lol Oct 01 18:58:30 hmagoo: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq.html Oct 01 18:58:53 KnoxBNYC: ty Oct 01 18:58:59 egaudet: isntalling it now Oct 01 18:59:08 oil: re newlines? talking to me? Oct 01 18:59:26 lol Oct 01 18:59:29 its not important Oct 01 19:00:14 WTF! Oct 01 19:00:24 KnoxBNYC: don't you have to download the ipk put it on your machine and install with WOSQI? Oct 01 19:00:38 PuffTheMagic, highlight the 2.2 change maybe? Oct 01 19:00:40 hmagoo: oh, oops! Oct 01 19:00:57 hmagoo: i just woke up. not thinking str8 yet. Oct 01 19:01:46 np Oct 01 19:02:13 u sleep till 3? Oct 01 19:02:23 egaudet: hows that Oct 01 19:03:14 hows what? I mean in the RFC2.2 it's hard to know what the change is from 2.1, I'm just suggesting maybe highlighting the weboscompat part or change it to different color. Some way to easily see the proposed change Oct 01 19:03:30 disregard my last comment Oct 01 19:03:33 I can't comprehend today Oct 01 19:03:34 lol Oct 01 19:03:40 looks good to me Oct 01 19:04:03 i'd put different color too maybe Oct 01 19:04:16 so.... anybody hearing changes/timeline for the "next" webOS update? Oct 01 19:04:27 1.3 tomorrow Oct 01 19:04:28 *changes/timeline rumors Oct 01 19:04:36 lol. wow, thanks oil ;) Oct 01 19:04:58 a .x a day, eh? Oct 01 19:05:12 oil: you're getting 1.3 tomorrow? I pulled it down a few hours ago. Oct 01 19:05:21 egaudet: bold or color not both Oct 01 19:05:48 I like color, others might like bold Oct 01 19:06:06 Or if possible a highlighter background would be best Oct 01 19:06:16 this update is going to come in the mail on DVD Oct 01 19:06:25 and it adds video recording Oct 01 19:06:31 since it is too big to fit in your EVDO monthly cap Oct 01 19:06:40 there is a monthly cap? Oct 01 19:06:44 5GB Oct 01 19:06:44 i thought i was paying for unlimited Oct 01 19:06:49 oil: don't tease! Oct 01 19:07:05 I know that all hacks need to be removed before doing a WebOS upgrade ... but how about the fruits of optware-bootstrap.sh (optware + sshd + user)? Oct 01 19:07:06 there is not gonna be 1.3 Oct 01 19:07:07 unlimited for a phone Oct 01 19:07:15 not a computer network Oct 01 19:07:27 en0x: why not? Oct 01 19:07:30 if it's not under patches on preware or tweaks in QI it is fine Oct 01 19:07:32 nt4cats: no Oct 01 19:07:44 except maybe theme might need to be removed too Oct 01 19:08:07 KnoxBNYC: coz they will jump to 1.4 straight and it will sync with itunes Oct 01 19:08:08 i upgraded to v1.2.0 with QI tweaks in place. no problems. Oct 01 19:08:17 if they cut me off id be pissed Oct 01 19:08:22 en0x: where'd you hear this?? Oct 01 19:08:40 gnomes Oct 01 19:08:45 KnoxBNYC: but what about WOSQI and if you used it and it said it had them installed but they weren't in effect because of the update.. blah blah Oct 01 19:09:06 hmagoo: like i said, i had no problems at all. Oct 01 19:09:10 always believe gnomes Oct 01 19:09:20 Knox+hmagoo - thanks for the info. I thought it'd be safe to do (from a "safe to upgrade" perspective), but I appreciate the confirmation. Oct 01 19:09:22 aren't most gnomes evil?? Oct 01 19:09:24 ? Oct 01 19:09:31 nt4cats: I Oct 01 19:09:41 I'm not guaranteeing. only telling you my experience. Oct 01 19:09:56 KnoxBNYC, you say "no problems" because you haven't SEEN any Oct 01 19:10:00 i was sorta hoping it would hose my Pre so I could have an excuse to doctor it to factory Oct 01 19:10:01 you don't know that you have no problems Oct 01 19:10:15 KnoxBNYC: heh, me too Oct 01 19:10:16 I understand the update will be in conjunction with Classic 2.0, and will come with the addition of paid apps in the catalog Oct 01 19:10:18 There is no such thing as a guarantee when you're dropping to a shell prompt on your Pre :) -- Oct 01 19:10:21 also the backup files that QI tweaks saved are 1.1.0 backup files, so "remove all tweaks" could break stuff for you too Oct 01 19:10:24 egaudet: my experience is all i have to go on when giving my opinion Oct 01 19:10:33 nt4cats: agreed! Oct 01 19:10:44 KnoxBNYC, that's understandable but you should have worded it "no visual problems yet" Oct 01 19:10:45 i never remove my tweaks Oct 01 19:10:49 i just run update and i'm good Oct 01 19:10:59 then i install new tweaks and i'm all happy Oct 01 19:11:00 ;D Oct 01 19:11:13 do i need a legal disclaimer also? that's going a bit overboard. i refuse to treat people like dummies. Oct 01 19:11:20 :) Oct 01 19:11:21 en0x, then when you go run remove all tweaks and half your files are 1.1.0 you might get confused ::P Oct 01 19:11:34 egaudet: ;D Oct 01 19:11:46 egaudet: more phun ;d Oct 01 19:11:54 KnoxBNYC, I was pointing out that... ahh nevermind, you always have repair utility Oct 01 19:11:57 the three of you related? Oct 01 19:12:06 enox knox, egaudet? ;) Oct 01 19:12:24 egaudet:: and the doc. Oct 01 19:12:31 hmagoo: lol. nope. Oct 01 19:12:39 lol Oct 01 19:12:43 the doc is for evil problems, not simple ones :P Oct 01 19:12:47 me and egaudet believe in gnomes Oct 01 19:12:50 not KnoxBNYC Oct 01 19:13:00 and no we are not related in any way Oct 01 19:13:00 :p Oct 01 19:13:10 doh same smiley Oct 01 19:13:11 would some one be willing to help me with my palm pre? Oct 01 19:13:14 same guy!! Oct 01 19:13:27 i didn't say i didn't believe in them. on the contrary, i hinted that i believe in them and that they are evil :) Oct 01 19:13:40 oh i got boner just by looking at my new wallpaper on my pre ;D Oct 01 19:13:43 i believe in them Oct 01 19:13:50 but i think kdes are the cure Oct 01 19:13:54 ^_^ Oct 01 19:14:01 do u believe in santa too? :> Oct 01 19:14:03 en0x: you recognize that that is a tad bit sad, righ? Oct 01 19:14:10 in santa? yes. he's evil too! Oct 01 19:14:31 xfilemanx: we're a bit busy in a gnome discussion, but what do you need help with? Oct 01 19:14:34 xfilemanx: it depends on your problem .. if we know something about your issue and can give you advice or a URL, yes. I doubt anyone here is willing to dedicate too many minutes or hours of their day to fixing your bricked phone Oct 01 19:14:42 santa? satan? it can't be just a coincidence! Oct 01 19:15:03 oil: yo! how about being able to update feed from any scene on Preware... instead of just the first one :D Oct 01 19:15:31 more work then its worth Oct 01 19:15:42 I would just like to know if there is a way to sync what I already have with google...I know anything new will be, but I want everything on my phone to sync with my google account Oct 01 19:16:01 oil: why is it "that much work" Oct 01 19:16:18 then every page would need the spinner and all that Oct 01 19:16:22 xfilemanx: it does Oct 01 19:16:32 i would have to move the code to each page, or put it somewhere they could all get to it Oct 01 19:16:40 each would need the ipkg log in it Oct 01 19:16:47 its just really not needed Oct 01 19:16:49 xfilemanx: I can't promise you -- but I'm pretty sure that the stuff I entered on the phone before I connected it to Google got sync'd over to google Oct 01 19:17:06 you could just go to the main page to update the feeds Oct 01 19:17:12 it takes all of 1 second to get to it Oct 01 19:17:36 xfilemanx: read your sentence a different way, hmm Oct 01 19:17:57 4 back gestures takes more than 1 second Oct 01 19:18:03 then u have to get back to where u left off Oct 01 19:18:03 ok, 4 seconds Oct 01 19:18:16 another few seconds Oct 01 19:18:20 xfileman: I bought my pre within a few days of launch day and can't really remember back that far -- but I think it worked Oct 01 19:18:21 oil: dont forget the time wasted going to the menu looking for update feed Oct 01 19:18:25 only to realize its not there Oct 01 19:18:43 we are up to ~7s now Oct 01 19:18:45 :D Oct 01 19:18:48 whopde do Oct 01 19:18:48 xfilemanx: so you didn't use a google account at first on your phone? Oct 01 19:18:51 feel free to add it Oct 01 19:18:54 it is opensource Oct 01 19:19:04 no, I added my googe account to my pre and hit sync...nothing is in my google account Oct 01 19:19:07 im done making changes to it just to make you happy Oct 01 19:19:09 oil: you get grumpy like an old man Oct 01 19:19:13 and no i didn't use google before Oct 01 19:19:23 you ask stupid questions like a child Oct 01 19:19:25 well what about... Oct 01 19:19:35 thats not 2 seconds! Oct 01 19:19:36 xfilemanx: what is it that you have on your phone that you want in your google account? Oct 01 19:19:38 jeez Oct 01 19:19:46 all my contacts Oct 01 19:20:22 honestly I just want them some where, I really don't think they are getting backed up like they're supposed to Oct 01 19:20:26 and I can't loose them Oct 01 19:20:50 anyone know who updated the 5x5 more apps per row patch? Oct 01 19:21:04 anybody in here used the homebrew apps KeyRing or SafeBox?? Oct 01 19:21:08 oil: guess we shouldnt do the IRC stuff together,,, god forbid I have an idea for a feature in the client Oct 01 19:21:11 it says it was updated for webos 1.2 but it's not working Oct 01 19:21:30 lol Oct 01 19:21:42 I'm not the paranoid type, but how do we know (without going through the source with a fine tooth comb) that the passwords, CCs etc, we store in there are not being transmitted automatically to someone?? Oct 01 19:21:44 you already said you stopped working on it Oct 01 19:21:47 so its no real loss there Oct 01 19:22:05 and im fine with ideas that make sense Oct 01 19:22:16 feature ideas that you make just to annoy me are annoying Oct 01 19:22:38 * dBsooner_ goes to the website to see the logs. Oct 01 19:22:57 oil: yes thats it... i asked for update feed on all scenes just cause I thought it would annoy you, not cause i thought it would be good Oct 01 19:23:01 wow, it HAS been a long time. I forgot about /me Oct 01 19:23:14 guess not huh? Oct 01 19:23:25 xfilemanx: maybe... Oct 01 19:23:36 maybe what? Oct 01 19:23:38 your original request was taken in jest Oct 01 19:23:42 with the ":D" at the end Oct 01 19:23:44 like "haha" Oct 01 19:23:46 sprint ported your contacts huh? Oct 01 19:23:50 "im not being serious" Oct 01 19:23:57 so i say i dont want to put the time into doing it Oct 01 19:24:04 and you keep coming back with stupid responses Oct 01 19:24:07 just to rile me up Oct 01 19:24:21 directly from my other phone, yes Oct 01 19:24:23 * oil goes to lunch Oct 01 19:24:33 * egaudet thinks preware app menu should have same items/functions accross all scenes but don't want to piss oil off :P Oct 01 19:24:57 anyone know the differenc between the roam control and roam only patches? Oct 01 19:25:37 Ron0001, they are the same, roam only has been removed Oct 01 19:25:44 I cna't get it off the feed until rwhitby returns from vaca Oct 01 19:25:45 egaudet: can you jot some stuff donw/ Oct 01 19:25:48 k, thanks Oct 01 19:25:51 I have a request of changes Oct 01 19:25:52 I don't jot Oct 01 19:26:09 well nm then Oct 01 19:26:10 :P Oct 01 19:26:21 But I don't think you can make changes untill rod gets back anyway. Oct 01 19:26:21 what request have you Oct 01 19:26:30 just some reorganizations Oct 01 19:26:42 speak Oct 01 19:26:51 and deletion of unnecessary patches Oct 01 19:26:56 let me pull up the thread Oct 01 19:27:09 well if it's in a thread? Oct 01 19:27:23 xfilemanx: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/206157-how-download-contacts-help.html#post1935778 Oct 01 19:27:34 oil: :D was cause i thought it was a good idea not cause it was a joke, and egaudet thinks its a good idea too, but w/e.... I see we cant work together any more Oct 01 19:27:47 Disable Charging Alert Sound needs to be moved to Sounds & Alerts IMO Oct 01 19:27:57 Enable Dev Mode Icon should be in App Launcher Oct 01 19:28:10 PuffTheMagic, and oil get a room! Oct 01 19:28:10 4x4 and 5x4 should both be in App Launcher. Oct 01 19:28:21 But I think there are two 4x4's as well. One needs to be deleted. Oct 01 19:28:49 when rod comes back I'm going to have him pull everything OFF the autopatch feed after I clean up everything Oct 01 19:28:52 Hide Nascar App should be moved to App Launcher and it has an unnecessary line replacement in it. Oct 01 19:28:57 Thank you :D Oct 01 19:28:59 egaudet: i cant do/say anything with out pissing someone off around here Oct 01 19:29:06 PuffTheMagic, that's not true Oct 01 19:29:13 That's what I have for now egaudet. Oct 01 19:29:35 PuffTheMagic: That pisses me off Oct 01 19:30:28 PuffTheMagic, you are a very brash and sometimes stubborn personality, so with that must come the ability to brush things off. Now let's argue the restore point app again! :P Oct 01 19:30:38 PuffTheMagic Ryan, you are sometimes somewhat hard to work with. I find it difficult to work with you sometimes because you seem to take discussion and disagreement as insult. It may not be intended but that's the feeling you generate. Oct 01 19:30:48 dBsooner, can I get a favor from ya Oct 01 19:31:46 dBsooner, keep a list of things like that (i agree with most of what you said) and keep adding to it until Rod comes back Oct 01 19:32:20 There wlil be one big rename/restructure/reorganize phase when I can get outdated packages off the feed Oct 01 19:32:44 in abouta week. Oct 01 19:33:02 unless he decides to check in from a hotel, but I suspect his wife will chop off his thumbs first. Oct 01 19:34:12 egaudet: yeah im a stubbon asshole.... i still dont do anything with the intent to piss people off Oct 01 19:34:34 Rick_work: i don't take disagreement as insult, the only time i've felt insulted was when Templarian told me to delete my adobe apps Oct 01 19:36:08 PuffTheMagic, I know you have good intentions but you don't always give off that feeling in discussions. The vibe you tend to give off is sometimes "my way or the high way and I don't give a damn" Oct 01 19:36:52 of course I have no problems yelling right back :P Oct 01 19:39:47 egaudet: And EPR needs a better description. "Will remove all patches installed by Preware from device and will self-remove itself." Oct 01 19:40:27 not putting preware in there Oct 01 19:40:32 ok Oct 01 19:40:36 back to that fight? Oct 01 19:40:39 and self-remove itself is redundant :P Oct 01 19:40:45 what fight? Oct 01 19:40:59 Preware and a autopatch feed are separate things. Oct 01 19:40:59 egaudet: me vs webos-internals Oct 01 19:41:06 autopatch is a feed of patch ipk's, its' not a preware thing Oct 01 19:41:20 chill tupac Oct 01 19:41:32 the whole point of the open standard of ipk was for user choice on installers Oct 01 19:41:45 * Templarian lols. Oct 01 19:41:56 Templarian: :D Oct 01 19:41:56 PuffTheMagic, I think you do a lot more good Oct 01 19:42:18 now.... go write me git service Oct 01 19:42:44 btw Rick_work i got the parser working now. Just need to filter though some other bugs before the update. Oct 01 19:42:50 egaudet: how can you do more good than yourself? Oct 01 19:42:54 egaudet: i cant cause i have to learn mojo so i can write an irc client for my service Oct 01 19:43:27 destinal, ??? Oct 01 19:44:07 egaudet: unless I misunderstood what you meant "a lot more good" than Oct 01 19:44:25 than bad Oct 01 19:44:31 than harm, than fighting Oct 01 19:44:32 ah Oct 01 19:44:48 fighting can be good, actually Oct 01 19:45:01 depending what you mean by fighting I agree Oct 01 19:45:30 I argue with Puff semi-frequently but it's almost always constructive :) Oct 01 19:45:36 * nt4cats thinks destinal just said that because of the possible make-up 'action' Oct 01 19:46:38 destinal: i dont think anything constructive has happened as a result of any arguments i've been invloved with unless getting people to not want to work with me and me wasting time on various projects is constructive Oct 01 19:47:16 PuffTheMagic: you and I have disagreed / argued and ended up with a lot of good ideas that have borne fruit as a result Oct 01 19:48:38 to be honest, I'd rather argue with you than have a bunch of people just agreeing to whatever I suggest, that doesn't improve anything Oct 01 19:48:59 I agree with destinal Oct 01 19:49:00 :P Oct 01 19:49:05 lol Oct 01 19:50:12 10 more minutes and i'm out for home Oct 01 19:50:15 frequently one or the other of us changes or refines an idea, or if not, we're forced to defend it and thus work through different angles and problems that we might not have done as quickly / thoroughly otherwise Oct 01 19:51:21 and of course sometimes we argue when we actually basically agree but don't realize it. that's usually funny :) Oct 01 19:53:36 does someone want to test a preliminary C ipkgservice and see if it segfaults? Oct 01 19:57:03 sup Oct 01 19:57:41 I will Puff Oct 01 19:57:53 PuffTheMagic: I can look at it in a few hours also Oct 01 19:58:22 test with luna-send not preware Oct 01 19:58:28 preware will need an overhaul Oct 01 19:58:32 for the C service Oct 01 19:59:32 i should probably get a big chunk of ipkgCervice done before rod gets back Oct 01 20:02:33 PuffTheMagic, is it on pym or Oct 01 20:04:14 am I correct in my assumption that Luna Restart has no impact on successfully installing patches one after the other? Oct 01 20:04:28 or reinstalling patches.. Oct 01 20:04:36 egaudet, FYI. after I ran EPR and reinstalled my patches, then the theme, it worked fine. Oct 01 20:04:43 hmagoo, say what Oct 01 20:04:55 most patches need a luna restart OR even reboot to take effect Oct 01 20:05:14 egaudet: right, but not to maintain integrity of installation Oct 01 20:05:24 hmagoo, I installed 12 patches and then restarted luna and it worked fine Oct 01 20:05:25 I hate themes Oct 01 20:05:36 hmagoo, right Oct 01 20:05:39 I like themes that are updated to 1.2 Oct 01 20:05:51 yo ushould be able to install/uninstall as many in a row with or without luna restarts Oct 01 20:05:59 what's up Jason Oct 01 20:06:02 I think a lot of the theme designers don't even realize how much has been changed Oct 01 20:06:19 that canadian has arrived Oct 01 20:06:35 lol Oct 01 20:06:43 * dBsooner_ only likes themes that change png files.. and as long as they RTFM! Oct 01 20:06:47 I'm keeping myself as far away from themes as possible. I'm just glad only one can be installed at a time :P Oct 01 20:06:52 I hate it when they don't realize the dialpad changed too Oct 01 20:07:13 I don't know if there are really any signals for the theme designers that they need to update. Oct 01 20:07:26 someone failed Oct 01 20:07:35 Sure there are signals Oct 01 20:07:38 egaudet: no its not on pym Oct 01 20:08:01 "Jason tells everyone that uses his Theme Designer... 'Shit changed ya'll... Get to updating your themes'" Oct 01 20:08:41 egaudet: http://omploader.org/vMmdseA Oct 01 20:08:49 run it with --verbose Oct 01 20:08:53 and if it runs Oct 01 20:09:02 then i will give u the commands to use with luna-send Oct 01 20:09:07 wtf Oct 01 20:09:11 you giving me binaries Oct 01 20:09:26 psssht Oct 01 20:10:30 i dont make ipkg's for shit thats not done Oct 01 20:10:32 dBsooner_: better still if themes were designed in a version independent way. all this stuff is hackish and ugly Oct 01 20:10:47 PuffTheMagic: I think he meant as opposed to source Oct 01 20:10:56 destinal: he cant compile it Oct 01 20:11:17 not with out hacking up my makefiles Oct 01 20:11:27 but im moving from autotools to cmake Oct 01 20:11:33 and hopefully things will be easier Oct 01 20:11:59 funny you should mention cmake -- I've got a book on it on my shelf at home Oct 01 20:12:28 ahh I ran the binary and my Pre exploded, real smooth Puff thanks a lot Oct 01 20:12:47 have the patches all been tested on 1.2 Oct 01 20:12:48 ? Oct 01 20:12:54 i just got a crazy error Oct 01 20:13:03 not all afaik Oct 01 20:13:19 where's the source Puff? Oct 01 20:13:33 we should have them tested first before they are available in the app Oct 01 20:13:36 atlanta: read my thread Oct 01 20:13:40 egaudet: on my lappy Oct 01 20:13:42 link me Oct 01 20:13:45 i havent pushed it anywhere yet Oct 01 20:13:53 umm.. Oct 01 20:14:05 since i figured it would get abandoned like the majority of stuff i start Oct 01 20:14:11 so the gps is way off after upgrading webos? any way to fix this? Oct 01 20:15:06 atlanta: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/206249-official-1-2-0-patches-list.html Oct 01 20:15:10 wh0dat: is it on under the dropdown menu in location settings? Oct 01 20:15:11 so I should trust you and your binary Oct 01 20:15:22 what do you want me to test Oct 01 20:15:51 atlanta, crazy error? Oct 01 20:16:09 you get error on install when it's not compatible but it doesn't do any damage to your pre Oct 01 20:16:11 yea hunk failed errors Oct 01 20:16:18 then some other stuff Oct 01 20:16:41 i think the autopatch feed should only pull those that are 1.2 compat but im going to get my git software working Oct 01 20:16:47 yea but nothing changed on your pre so it's all good :) patch just needs to be updated and we are working on getting them all up to date Oct 01 20:16:51 and make this 1.2 compat to help out Oct 01 20:16:59 hmagoo: yes Oct 01 20:17:03 egaudet: yea imma help out with that Oct 01 20:17:10 but its way off in google maps. Oct 01 20:17:19 atlanta, autopatch feed was started at 1.1.0 and I have no access to remove ipk from the feed Oct 01 20:17:28 what patch atlanta? Oct 01 20:17:34 PuffTheMagic, what do you want from me? Oct 01 20:18:08 PuffTheMagic: this new c service version is in your git repo? Oct 01 20:18:13 oh ok Oct 01 20:18:14 gotcha Oct 01 20:18:22 dBsooner_: message forwarding Oct 01 20:18:26 im about to work on it now Oct 01 20:18:41 alright Oct 01 20:20:29 destinal: not yet Oct 01 20:20:35 tonight i will push it somwhere Oct 01 20:20:47 egaudet: you need a few terminals for this Oct 01 20:20:53 ok Oct 01 20:21:05 luna-send ... what Oct 01 20:21:57 egaudet: it started ok? Oct 01 20:22:12 yea Oct 01 20:22:25 egaudet: luna-send -P -i palm://us.ryanhope.ipkgmgrsrv/callbacks/status {\"subscribe\":true} Oct 01 20:22:33 then in another term Oct 01 20:22:35 you giving me a virus puff? lol Oct 01 20:22:59 luna-send -P -n 1 palm://us.ryanhope.ipkgmgrsrv/commands/info {} Oct 01 20:22:59 subscribe isn't supposed to return? Oct 01 20:23:06 egaudet: nope Oct 01 20:23:10 you keep that open Oct 01 20:23:18 hot damn Oct 01 20:23:31 wtf did you just list me every package in the feeds? Oct 01 20:23:36 yeah Oct 01 20:23:42 egaudet, I guess one might think EPR is going to be an app, but when you "install" it starts doing the work right? maybe, there should be an explanation of that. Oct 01 20:23:42 that was the same as 'ipkg -o /var info' Oct 01 20:23:51 yea it worked in the subscribe window Oct 01 20:23:57 egaudet: did the service segfault ? Oct 01 20:24:05 no Oct 01 20:24:07 cool Oct 01 20:24:09 Message: Items: 508 Oct 01 20:24:10 good Oct 01 20:24:22 thats just debug output :D Oct 01 20:24:30 yea all works fine Oct 01 20:24:35 well no segfault Oct 01 20:24:41 you can cancle the status suscript Oct 01 20:24:44 and do this: Oct 01 20:25:01 hmagoo, yea it says "self-removing". I'll update the description Oct 01 20:25:02 egaudet: luna-send -P -i palm://us.ryanhope.ipkgmgrsrv/callbacks/message {\"subscribe\":true} Oct 01 20:25:08 then in another term u can do Oct 01 20:25:14 luna-send -P -n 1 palm://us.ryanhope.ipkgmgrsrv/commands/update {} Oct 01 20:25:19 "quick perform EPR and then take him to the doctor!" Oct 01 20:25:40 i can subscribe twice? Oct 01 20:26:20 update success Oct 01 20:26:59 not twice Oct 01 20:27:08 first time u subscribed to /callbacks/status Oct 01 20:27:12 this time /callbacks/message Oct 01 20:27:21 oh ok Oct 01 20:27:34 did u see the output from the update on that subscription Oct 01 20:27:39 yea Oct 01 20:27:40 or did u subscribe to status again? Oct 01 20:27:46 messages output Oct 01 20:27:53 right now the verbosity is hardcoded Oct 01 20:27:59 but i might make it an option to set Oct 01 20:28:07 thre is WAY me info that can be got Oct 01 20:28:09 :D Oct 01 20:28:12 s/me/more/ Oct 01 20:29:14 question why does preware need an overhaul to switch from java to c service? Oct 01 20:29:51 cause im not writing a clone of the java ipkgservice Oct 01 20:30:00 what in the api is changing? Oct 01 20:30:09 with C i get to use libipkg directly Oct 01 20:30:11 doesn't preware just call the srevice with the respective ipkg method Oct 01 20:30:21 egaudet: yes sorta Oct 01 20:30:21 and then it gets the result of the ipkg output Oct 01 20:30:26 yeah Oct 01 20:30:31 hold on Oct 01 20:30:32 so there shouldn't be much change in preware from current java to new C Oct 01 20:30:38 shut up for a second Oct 01 20:30:41 lol Oct 01 20:30:44 the way the java service works Oct 01 20:30:56 we have to capture stdout and stderr Oct 01 20:31:02 which means u dont get any info till the command is done Oct 01 20:31:13 with C i get to use libipkg Oct 01 20:31:19 and its very asynchronous Oct 01 20:31:27 so when i give it a command to update for example Oct 01 20:31:43 there is a callback that returns all the status updates Oct 01 20:31:47 while the update is happening Oct 01 20:31:53 which we cant do in java Oct 01 20:32:06 that still has nothing to do with the mojo->service link Oct 01 20:32:15 yeah the api is different Oct 01 20:32:34 preware should so something like serviceRequest(ipkgservice/update) {} Oct 01 20:32:38 in both cases Oct 01 20:32:38 there woudl be no point in using C if i made it exactly like the java service Oct 01 20:32:53 the java service has a lot of problems Oct 01 20:32:58 “It’s idiotic. At this point, I realize that it’s not going to be a picture of a cute puppie. I’m not that stupid. Hold on a second, my dad just sent me a picture of his new car–Oh god!” hehe Oct 01 20:33:07 egaudet: the call to the service is similar Oct 01 20:33:09 that part dont change Oct 01 20:33:18 PuffTheMagic, yea that is my point Oct 01 20:33:19 but there are lots of other apsects that wont be the same Oct 01 20:33:24 preware doesn't need to change much at all Oct 01 20:33:26 i had a guy with a problem today Oct 01 20:33:32 PuffTheMagic: will you also be making an emulator-compatable C service Oct 01 20:33:33 over wifi his pre couldnt reach pym Oct 01 20:33:35 egaudet: not THAT much Oct 01 20:33:39 egaudet: but enough Oct 01 20:33:49 which caused the entire thing to hang at updating Oct 01 20:33:50 JayCanuck: yeah once i get my emulator working again Oct 01 20:33:56 JayCanuck: im running 2.6.32-rc1 Oct 01 20:34:02 and i cant build the vbox modules :D Oct 01 20:34:03 if preware has to change anything but minimally then it was broken design Oct 01 20:34:05 to test it Oct 01 20:34:17 egaudet: the java version is broken design Oct 01 20:34:33 egaudet: ipkgservice was my very first service ever Oct 01 20:34:39 i';ve learned a lot since then Oct 01 20:35:03 there's different parts of it, the service is it's own thing, if the API design that links preware to service is good, then the underlying service changes would extremely minimal effects on preware needed to change code Oct 01 20:35:16 egaudet: the API is not good Oct 01 20:35:20 it "just works" Oct 01 20:35:25 there was no design involved with it Oct 01 20:35:29 k Oct 01 20:35:54 there was like 3 times as many methods as i actually used xD Oct 01 20:36:39 oil do you use serviceRequest() to get at the service or is there another method to call? Oct 01 20:36:51 yeah Oct 01 20:37:20 egaudet: for example... preware calls the update method, preware then has to wait for the return value in addition to all the output that happens durring the update, with the C service, you could call update, and get status info while its updating, then u get the final return value Oct 01 20:37:25 and with a C ipkgservice using libipkg we can finally get a timeout in the update feed to fix the down feeds hang problem Oct 01 20:37:29 opensource.palm.com still hasn't been updated grrr Oct 01 20:37:37 right, down feeds problem Oct 01 20:37:39 egaudet: timeouts and shit could happen in C Oct 01 20:37:51 right now thats the biggest pain Oct 01 20:37:58 PuffTheMagic, well i think the timeout should still happen at the service level and preware should still just call update and wait for the final result Oct 01 20:38:47 oh but I guess Preware can still be loading feeds while waiting for more updates, I see what you mean Oct 01 20:39:09 preware shouldnt care about updating Oct 01 20:39:14 just tells it to do it, and it should Oct 01 20:39:19 it shouldnt have to bother with timeouts Oct 01 20:39:30 oil, when preware calls the update method is there then a 're-read' method Oct 01 20:39:35 or something Oct 01 20:39:38 no Oct 01 20:39:39 oil: preware could send the timeout value to the service Oct 01 20:39:46 right Oct 01 20:39:56 but right now (with the java service) Oct 01 20:40:02 timing out the update in mojo is pointless Oct 01 20:40:08 the service hangs Oct 01 20:40:14 and wont let anything else happen to it till its done Oct 01 20:40:22 egaudet: all im saying is that the java service was sorta half assed and since i stopped working on it rod as been adding to it Oct 01 20:40:28 and there hasnt been that much thought or redesign in it Oct 01 20:40:30 yea because the java service just calls the ipkg command line Oct 01 20:40:31 it worked Oct 01 20:40:35 and we just kept using it Oct 01 20:40:37 and ipkg -o /var update doesn't timeout Oct 01 20:40:47 the C service has some thought going into it Oct 01 20:40:53 and the API is gonna habve to change a little Oct 01 20:40:56 wh0dat: does the "google service" setting affect accuracy either way? Oct 01 20:41:23 PuffTheMagic, yea if it has to it has to. Let's get it good Oct 01 20:41:46 oil, what do you use to call the java service? Oct 01 20:41:55 grep -r serviceRequest only shows one thing Oct 01 20:42:16 wh0dat: it goes to my exact location in google maps, pretty quickly. Oct 01 20:42:22 egaudet: look in the models directory Oct 01 20:42:26 wh0dat: and I am indoors. Oct 01 20:42:31 and u will see the file with all the service calls Oct 01 20:44:58 * Templarian done with all the fancy log filtering and such time to fix bugs. Oct 01 20:45:28 ahh ok uses Mojo.Service.Request Oct 01 20:45:34 pre feels big now Oct 01 20:46:23 so PuffTheMagic in that IPKGService.js could you give me one example of a potential API change that would be needed moving forward with C service Oct 01 20:46:41 hmagoo: Pre is small compared to the likes of N900 ;> Oct 01 20:46:55 The N900 is gargantuan but still kinda pocketable'ish Oct 01 20:46:59 egaudet: yeah would have to subscribe to the status and message callback Oct 01 20:47:18 and the info returned from each of the functions would be different Oct 01 20:47:34 what WAS once in stdout/stderr will be on those status/message callbacks Oct 01 20:47:47 instead of bundleded with each call to update/install/remove/etc. Oct 01 20:48:31 k Oct 01 20:48:36 egaudet: i havent thought though everything yet Oct 01 20:48:45 and i need to finnish making dinner then eating it Oct 01 20:48:48 we can talk more later Oct 01 20:50:35 ok cool, I want to check out the source too so hopefully you can get that up :P Oct 01 20:50:59 is samkim here? Oct 01 20:52:15 freak time to look at some git tut videos Oct 01 20:53:52 git er done Oct 01 20:55:09 lol Oct 01 20:55:14 i am Oct 01 20:55:21 unless u want to teach me :-[ Oct 01 20:55:24 :-p** Oct 01 20:55:52 it couldnt be that hard right Oct 01 20:56:02 zomg, my Pronto remote control is enormous compared to the pre. Oct 01 20:58:41 i'll help him out egaudet Oct 01 20:58:42 :D Oct 01 20:59:02 I am going to watch house and heroes Oct 01 20:59:04 I shall return Oct 01 20:59:33 egaudet: the reason the soruce isnt up is really cause its most likely gonna get absorbed into webosinternals.org domain and i didnt want ot have it in too many places Oct 01 21:00:00 and i didnt want to loose too much control over it while it was still a work in progress and proof on concept since the API will change a little Oct 01 21:02:35 maybe we can reabsorb you into ;) I don't think anyone here is going to take your code and put it into another domain Oct 01 21:02:49 brb Oct 01 21:03:58 when did chicken tenders at burger king become crown shaped Oct 01 21:07:02 oil: not sure our burger king went out of business. lol, no one ate there. Oct 01 21:07:21 you only had one? Oct 01 21:07:26 mcdonalds across the street always busy. Oct 01 21:07:30 i thought we were a pretty small town Oct 01 21:07:33 and we've got like 4 Oct 01 21:08:02 the whopper is delicious Oct 01 21:08:45 Yea, I don't think people like burger king. Oct 01 21:09:08 Checkers + McDonalds + Taco Bell + Wendys even arbys probably out sell them Oct 01 21:09:29 i always thought bk was #2 behind mcdonalds? Oct 01 21:09:52 We use to make jokes about when it would fail. Oct 01 21:10:04 their fries are definitely better then mcdonalds Oct 01 21:10:09 arbys, no way... Oct 01 21:12:25 a lot of that stuff is real regional, so you might have one kicking ass somewhere and it isn't true in a lot of other places. Taco Bell is kind of scarce out here Oct 01 21:12:45 we've got like 3 taco bells here Oct 01 21:12:47 bk seems to do well here Oct 01 21:13:18 we have Del Taco Oct 01 21:14:00 does the "enable dialpad vibration" also disable the sound when typing on the dialpad? Oct 01 21:14:07 the patch Oct 01 21:14:18 that is its main function Oct 01 21:14:30 nice, ty Oct 01 21:14:43 yeah doesn't do both Oct 01 21:14:44 (btw Taco bell is the best one, but it depends ours close by one (there are a few) has tons of awards) Oct 01 21:14:54 so... what exactly does the "hapit feedback" patches do? can it actually do haptic feedback or just vibrates the whole phone? Oct 01 21:15:06 vibrates Oct 01 21:15:29 hmagoo: just vibrates the whole phone? k Oct 01 21:15:36 Does the vibrate function effect the accel I wonder... Oct 01 21:15:49 pre doesn't have haptic afaik Oct 01 21:15:57 its 4Hz, so, no? Oct 01 21:16:27 Theres a patch/service that does full. Oct 01 21:16:32 reminds me to try to topple ball update, lol Oct 01 21:16:34 ok Oct 01 21:18:41 I am a newbie and I have a preware uninstall question Oct 01 21:20:31 I dont recall installing messagin newline from preware....but It thinks that I have it installed. I check the source files form the patch and they seem to be the original. How do I clean this up? Oct 01 21:22:45 does it error out when you try and uninstall it? Oct 01 21:22:51 yes Oct 01 21:22:59 error [4] Oct 01 21:23:48 I poked around the directories that the uninstall scripts point to ...but I dont see any sign of the patch Oct 01 21:24:21 to be more precise "Error Removing [4]" Oct 01 21:24:39 more precise would be whats in the ipkglog Oct 01 21:25:03 I have rebooted and retried...no luck.. So I decided to go hunting for it with no lluch Oct 01 21:25:07 no luck Oct 01 21:26:13 where do the IPKG logs for postinst live Oct 01 21:26:50 I think it errors out on "Failure durin "prerm" operation Oct 01 21:27:00 after you dismiss the message Oct 01 21:27:03 hit hte app menu > ipkg log Oct 01 21:27:09 Thats the log I see on the pre after getting the Error Removing [4] Oct 01 21:27:29 oj Oct 01 21:27:33 oh* Oct 01 21:27:37 yeah, i dont know Oct 01 21:27:41 i dont deal with patches Oct 01 21:27:45 egaudet was around Oct 01 21:28:02 try removing it with ipkg -o /var ? Oct 01 21:28:40 so i would just do "ipkg -o /var" Oct 01 21:28:50 remove patchname Oct 01 21:28:59 that will just remove the package Oct 01 21:29:02 not run the prerem Oct 01 21:29:10 right Oct 01 21:29:10 ok Oct 01 21:29:15 so I am a bit sonfused Oct 01 21:29:20 confused Oct 01 21:29:28 oil, thats what he wants Oct 01 21:29:36 What are out guys suggesting? Oct 01 21:29:50 you think your files are clean right? Oct 01 21:30:00 yes Oct 01 21:30:05 so try and remove just the package. Oct 01 21:30:16 what is the syntax for that Oct 01 21:30:24 ipkg -o /var remove packagename Oct 01 21:30:31 ahh Oct 01 21:30:48 where can I find the full package name to cut and paste Oct 01 21:31:04 ipkg -o /var list_installed Oct 01 21:31:39 ok let me try Oct 01 21:31:59 ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep patches Oct 01 21:32:38 Any success with cpu scaling and smartreflex in 1.2? Oct 01 21:33:47 all i see is quilt-lite Oct 01 21:33:58 noting relating to the newline patch Oct 01 21:34:14 and noting from "quilt applied" Oct 01 21:34:29 you see quilt-lite in that list? Oct 01 21:34:34 yes Oct 01 21:34:54 no patches applied with quilt Oct 01 21:35:15 I did "quilt applied" Oct 01 21:35:24 should I be in a different directory Oct 01 21:35:41 i am at root Oct 01 21:36:01 ipkg-opt should show quilt-lite I would think Oct 01 21:36:07 not ipkg Oct 01 21:36:24 yes... Oct 01 21:36:34 and what would be the point of that Oct 01 21:37:04 I am trying to remove a patch that preware thinks is installed Oct 01 21:37:08 from what I gather you told me that you ran "ipkg -o /var list_installed" and saw quilt-lite? Oct 01 21:37:10 yet I can seem to find it anywhere Oct 01 21:37:17 yes Oct 01 21:37:30 ipkg -o /var list_installed Oct 01 21:37:31 and a bunch of other installed packages Oct 01 21:37:42 find the actual org.webosinternals.patch.* filename Oct 01 21:37:56 then ipkg -o /var remove Oct 01 21:38:00 where would I look for that Oct 01 21:38:16 dBsooner: been over it.... Oct 01 21:38:24 in ipkg -o /var list_installed Oct 01 21:38:30 ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep patches Oct 01 21:38:33 what patch? Oct 01 21:38:58 navinag: did you use ipkg or ipkg-opt?? Oct 01 21:39:04 i grep webosinternals, but whatever., :D Oct 01 21:39:10 wouldnt you want to grep for patch instead of patches Oct 01 21:39:16 and yes, it would be patch Oct 01 21:39:18 not patches Oct 01 21:39:24 no Oct 01 21:39:25 let me try Oct 01 21:39:26 Anyone have some cpu scaling settings that work well with 1.2? Oct 01 21:39:29 org.webosinternals.patch.* Oct 01 21:39:42 Abyssul: yeah, don't. :D Oct 01 21:39:48 org.webosinternals.patches.add-date-to-top-bar-no-year Oct 01 21:39:58 doh.. I could have sworn it was patch Oct 01 21:40:00 Why dBsooner? Oct 01 21:40:01 abyssul, yeah, hang on Oct 01 21:40:17 Oh hey hmagoo. I saw your post. Didnt know you came into IRC :p Oct 01 21:40:20 can seem to find that newline patch in the that grep Oct 01 21:40:22 Abyssul: I dunno. Just felt like saying it. I haven't had time to play with scaling on 1.2 since i have been working on patches. Oct 01 21:40:26 *can't Oct 01 21:40:32 ok. Oct 01 21:40:35 newline patch? Oct 01 21:40:51 navinag: don't know.. you see other patches? Oct 01 21:40:57 yep Oct 01 21:41:39 Abyssul: exec /opt/sbin/cpuspeed -i 2 -p 60 80 -M 550000 -a /sys/devices/platform/lcd.0/panel_state -A 10 -C -D -r Oct 01 21:41:46 Abyssul: works great for me Oct 01 21:41:51 Thanks Ill try it out :) Oct 01 21:41:54 kesne_: ping Oct 01 21:42:00 nope..no other patches Oct 01 21:42:27 but preware still says that it is installed Oct 01 21:43:19 I have other patche installed via preware : keyboard, led notifications, and a few others Oct 01 21:43:29 none of those show up in the grep Oct 01 21:44:00 navinag try: /ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-enter-newline.ipkg Oct 01 21:44:48 says no packages removed Oct 01 21:44:52 Noting to be done Oct 01 21:45:04 Sucessfully terminated Oct 01 21:45:12 what gives? Oct 01 21:45:21 oh yeah Oct 01 21:45:22 hang on Oct 01 21:45:26 ls /var/usr/palm/applications/* | grep messaging-enter-newline Oct 01 21:45:41 nada Oct 01 21:46:09 i checked there allready Oct 01 21:46:19 Couldnt find anything Oct 01 21:46:21 ls /var/usr/palm/applications/* | grep webosinternals Oct 01 21:47:10 I see all the other patches that are installed except org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-enter-newline.ipkg Oct 01 21:47:18 cat /var/etc/lib/ipkg/autopatch.conf Oct 01 21:47:23 heh, well, ask egaudet or someone like that when they are around Oct 01 21:47:49 wait.. not that route.. Oct 01 21:48:14 I think that is the wrong directory.. Oct 01 21:48:17 does not exest Oct 01 21:48:20 exist Oct 01 21:48:20 i know Oct 01 21:49:03 hang on Oct 01 21:49:23 anyway to get the palm pre simulator or emulator .. really like it but would like to play with it first .. im tired of sprint staring at me when i go into there store Oct 01 21:49:44 cat /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf Oct 01 21:50:06 Macman: dev.palm.com Oct 01 21:50:24 returns "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" Oct 01 21:50:26 lol Oct 01 21:50:43 ok Oct 01 21:51:09 dBsooner that dosen't resolve Oct 01 21:51:19 Preware gets it's list of "installed" apps by doing ipkg -o /var list_installed Oct 01 21:51:26 macman_: I know... i abbreviated. Oct 01 21:51:34 developer.palm.com Oct 01 21:51:48 oh Oct 01 21:51:54 you'll want the SDK.. But it's really only for developers. Oct 01 21:51:55 do you have to pay ? Oct 01 21:51:59 no Oct 01 21:51:59 dam Oct 01 21:52:10 but will i be able to play with it ? Oct 01 21:52:15 You can do what you want. I am just saying it's purpose is for developers. Oct 01 21:52:33 It's the Palm Pre emulator. Or should I say, WebOS emulator. Oct 01 21:52:36 dBsooner i can do the cards and all that stuff right ? Oct 01 21:53:01 macman_: it's the webos emulator. Oct 01 21:53:04 macman_: you have to be serious when you use it, no playing Oct 01 21:53:15 I only see installed packages lije getop..quilt...etc..not any apps or patches with that command Oct 01 21:53:54 navinag: your problem is, you shouldn't see linux commands in there Oct 01 21:54:02 are you sure that is how preware get the installed info? Oct 01 21:54:03 only stuff from preware Oct 01 21:54:07 navinag: You're crazy. Oct 01 21:54:09 or, web os quick install Oct 01 21:54:11 , etc Oct 01 21:54:15 Why Oct 01 21:54:22 you only see quilt in where? Oct 01 21:54:28 hmmmmm Oct 01 21:54:31 dBsooner: already been over this Oct 01 21:54:33 in ipkg -o /var list_installed? Oct 01 21:54:41 i kn ow Oct 01 21:54:57 i see commands not packages Oct 01 21:55:04 huh? Oct 01 21:55:08 in what? Oct 01 21:55:18 your ipkg-opt and ipkg installations are messed up apparently. Oct 01 21:55:21 palm needs to go gsm .. i will buy the hell out of it Oct 01 21:55:35 yeah, they are. Oct 01 21:55:35 I did install bash Oct 01 21:55:38 I know what it is Oct 01 21:55:48 ipkg-opt is sym linked to ipkg Oct 01 21:55:51 let me make sure this is not aliased somehow Oct 01 21:55:52 which is loco Oct 01 21:55:55 heh Oct 01 21:56:10 hehe Oct 01 21:56:21 lol Oct 01 21:56:37 nope no aliases Oct 01 21:56:48 ipkg Oct 01 21:56:50 i didn't say aliases Oct 01 21:56:50 type that Oct 01 21:56:55 I said sym linked Oct 01 21:57:04 which ipkg-opt /opt/bin/ipkg-opt Oct 01 21:57:14 lk;asjdflkajsdflk;asjdklf Oct 01 21:57:22 which ipkg-opt--> /opt/bin/ipkg-opt Oct 01 21:57:33 thats what I am saying Oct 01 21:57:46 everytying else on seems to work Oct 01 21:57:57 should i reinstall opware? Oct 01 21:58:25 ipkg-opt Oct 01 21:58:29 no Oct 01 21:58:32 you don't need optware Oct 01 21:58:35 hold on Oct 01 21:59:23 do this: Oct 01 21:59:36 its the same command, the configuration is just messed up Oct 01 21:59:41 between the two Oct 01 21:59:43 ok Oct 01 21:59:43 ls -Rl /* | grep ipkg Oct 01 22:00:11 you should see where ipkg is probably pointing to ipkg-opt somewhere Oct 01 22:00:28 ok this will take a minute Oct 01 22:01:19 your right Oct 01 22:01:46 it is at root Oct 01 22:01:51 how did that happen Oct 01 22:01:56 backwards Oct 01 22:02:16 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Sep 26 17:12 ipkg-opt -> ipkg Oct 01 22:02:25 no that is right Oct 01 22:02:31 ok Oct 01 22:02:34 so now what Oct 01 22:03:02 no there is supposed to be an ipkg dir in root Oct 01 22:03:09 wait Oct 01 22:03:30 not that i recall Oct 01 22:04:14 do this instead: Oct 01 22:06:40 ls -l /opt/bin/ipkg Oct 01 22:06:55 ls -l /usr/bin/ipkg Oct 01 22:07:07 ls -l /var/opt/bin/ipokg Oct 01 22:07:09 ok directory exists Oct 01 22:07:22 err.. ls -l /var/opt/bin/ipkg Oct 01 22:07:26 it's not a directory Oct 01 22:07:29 its an exectuable Oct 01 22:07:35 what is the output at the far right of those Oct 01 22:07:41 ok Oct 01 22:07:42 yes Oct 01 22:07:47 both exist Oct 01 22:07:58 again, i know they do Oct 01 22:08:04 ls -l /opt/bin/ipkg -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3236 Aug 22 2008 /opt/bin/ipkg Oct 01 22:08:13 ls -l /var/opt/bin/ipkg -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3236 Aug 22 2008 /var/opt/bin/ipkg Oct 01 22:08:13 ok Oct 01 22:08:28 and the last one? Oct 01 22:08:56 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Sep 26 16:04 /usr/bin/ipkg -> /usr/bin/ipkg-cl Oct 01 22:08:58 ls -l /usr/bin/ipkg Oct 01 22:09:04 interesteing Oct 01 22:09:11 what sould it be Oct 01 22:09:26 That Oct 01 22:09:32 ok Oct 01 22:10:12 type this for me: Oct 01 22:11:52 this: /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep webosinternals Oct 01 22:12:37 now i see "org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-enter-newline - 0.1.16 - Messaging Enter Newline" Oct 01 22:12:40 in the search Oct 01 22:12:46 exactly Oct 01 22:12:49 now hold on Oct 01 22:12:59 your path is probably messed up Oct 01 22:13:04 ok Oct 01 22:13:06 echo $PATH Oct 01 22:13:07 how do i fix it Oct 01 22:13:08 paste that to me Oct 01 22:13:31 /usr/local/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/opt/sbin Oct 01 22:13:39 rigth there Oct 01 22:13:50 whe do I fix the path Oct 01 22:13:50 the /opt/bin is too early Oct 01 22:14:37 export PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin::/opt/bin:/opt/sbin" Oct 01 22:14:51 ok Oct 01 22:14:52 then do another echo $PATH Oct 01 22:14:58 and make sure it matches what you just exported Oct 01 22:15:09 /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin::/opt/bin:/opt/sbin Oct 01 22:15:14 perfectg Oct 01 22:15:16 perfect Oct 01 22:15:20 do: Oct 01 22:15:29 this: ipkg -o /var list_installed Oct 01 22:15:30 ok ...dont I have to change the path somewhere> Oct 01 22:15:34 you just did Oct 01 22:15:38 to make it permanent Oct 01 22:16:11 i see the newline patch now Oct 01 22:16:15 trying remove Oct 01 22:17:18 ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-enter-newline Removing package org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-enter-newline from root... (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-enter-newline.prerm) Oct 01 22:17:29 is this what is sould see Oct 01 22:19:01 check your path in /etc/profile Oct 01 22:19:16 navinag, that's fine Oct 01 22:19:21 i found that it is wrong in profile.custom Oct 01 22:19:29 there you go Oct 01 22:19:32 that is what is modified when i installed bash Oct 01 22:19:32 that was your problem all along Oct 01 22:19:47 it was grabbing the /opt/bin/ipkg before the real one in usr/bin Oct 01 22:19:53 however i cpoy and pated form the bash install guide on webosinternals Oct 01 22:20:05 Now, I have to get back to work. Oct 01 22:20:10 perhaps someone should fix that Oct 01 22:20:20 thanks for you help Oct 01 22:20:52 np Oct 01 22:20:57 me too......i wasted too much time today Oct 01 22:24:29 i just read the long ass title.. and may i just say how awesome it is the logs ara available on nslu2-linux.org, the webos, binary compatible distro Oct 01 22:27:21 yep Oct 01 22:39:31 woah Oct 01 22:39:53 how did the jwz thing wind up on /.'s front page today? Oct 01 22:40:28 i remember back in the day when that kinda thing would hit on day one.. poor /. Oct 01 22:40:44 Mousey: it was up yesterday :p Oct 01 22:40:54 oh Oct 01 22:40:55 wow, /. has stooped low. :D Oct 01 22:41:01 man i'm behind Oct 01 22:41:23 its another non-story just like the "rejection" Oct 01 22:43:00 well.. besides my desire to run my own personal "palm profile" server that i sync to myself, instead of some company that doesn't pay me or employ me having all my info, i'm pretty sure i've never been happier with any phone ever Oct 01 22:43:03 i am back Oct 01 22:43:11 i need to make a 4chan app for the pre :D Oct 01 22:43:20 cheeseburger network just dont cut it Oct 01 22:43:26 i need some /b in my life Oct 01 22:43:30 :D Oct 01 22:43:30 http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1254436762507.jpg Oct 01 22:43:33 * Mousey begs for a jabber client instead Oct 01 22:43:45 isnt gtalk jammer? Oct 01 22:43:47 jabber* Oct 01 22:44:00 oil: yes, but i run my own, as does my work, and i cannot join them Oct 01 22:44:37 nor is my company's employee only jabber server going to federate with anyone else Oct 01 22:44:50 so i'm stuck Oct 01 22:44:51 =( Oct 01 22:45:47 oil: i made a draft blog post with the headline "JWZ is a douche". editor rejected it :p Oct 01 22:46:03 heh Oct 01 22:46:06 lol Oct 01 22:46:13 lots of posts on the jwz article were removed Oct 01 22:46:16 even mine! =O Oct 01 22:47:02 I still think jwz was very "whiney" Oct 01 22:47:22 that and his tip app doesn't do decimals Oct 01 22:47:37 lol Oct 01 22:47:41 I really think Palm handled it "well", but could improve on different areas. Oct 01 22:47:47 oh please oil Oct 01 22:47:51 hahahahahahahhaha Oct 01 22:47:55 only a cheapskate wants decimals Oct 01 22:48:00 you friggin scrooge Oct 01 22:48:04 haha Oct 01 22:48:13 i still think it should be renamed "tip estimator" Oct 01 22:48:14 dBsooner: me too Oct 01 22:48:17 lol Oct 01 22:48:18 If it were me at palm, i would have said: Dude.. quit crying. Everyone else obeys he rules. GO away. Oct 01 22:48:19 since its not calculating anything Oct 01 22:48:26 I think his reaction was just a compounding of a lot fo frustration with Palm Oct 01 22:48:35 they dont have a problem with opensource Oct 01 22:48:36 overreacted for sure, btu who knwos how much back and forth he had with them Oct 01 22:48:42 that twitter app is open source isnt it? Oct 01 22:48:44 this auto feed idea is wonderful Oct 01 22:48:46 its been in the catalog for a while Oct 01 22:49:01 oil: then why have it in the terms Oct 01 22:49:12 which one? Oct 01 22:49:15 Tweed? Oct 01 22:49:17 AnOutsider_AFK: according to jwz, 27 emails and ten pages of signed documents. Oct 01 22:49:28 dBsooner: I thought Spaz was the open-source one. Oct 01 22:49:32 yeah, that'd do it. Early adopters usually have the most grief Oct 01 22:49:36 AnOutsider_AFK: i agree there, but i think Palm really need the benefit of the doubt this one. things must be insane in there right now. if these kinda issues persist after a year, or get *worse* like the App Store, then we might have a real problem... until now i'd just label it as growing pains... Oct 01 22:49:44 It's Spaz? I dnt' use it. Oct 01 22:49:46 I use Tweed. Oct 01 22:49:55 Tweed is really nice, except for the name Oct 01 22:49:58 the name is boring. Oct 01 22:50:00 speaking of the app store... rejecting a "politically charged" app? Oct 01 22:50:02 the UI is very sexy though. Oct 01 22:50:28 I dont even use my iphone anymore, and after I finally get this app through the process, I won't even interact with them anymore Oct 01 22:53:21 if he was going to point out having to print the thing Oct 01 22:53:27 he should have gotten the number of pages right Oct 01 22:53:32 its only 5 or 6 Oct 01 22:53:46 and im sure you could have gotten away with just printing the signature pages and scanning them Oct 01 22:57:11 oil: ty, ty, ty, Preware FTW! Oct 01 22:57:38 oh? Oct 01 22:57:45 Upgraded to 1.2 on Pre, installed PreWare, LunaManager and Package Manager Services via QuickInstall. Preware is in the launcher but spins forever saying it is updating. If I try to reset Java in LunaManager it says that Package Manager Services is not running, try rebooting. I do, and the same thing. Any help? Oct 01 22:57:53 oil: I think JamesBaud hates Preware Oct 01 22:58:32 ment99: you probably can't reach one of the feeds Oct 01 22:58:34 are you on wifi? Oct 01 22:58:50 Is it neccessary to have the confirmation dialog appear for each patch? Oct 01 22:58:52 i had problems with my Pre, did Web OS Doctor, didn't remeber all the linux commands and all that stuff, I installed Preware, patches, themes, app/games, it does everything! ty ty ty Oct 01 23:00:20 Abyssul: would you rather apps have free range to run commands on your pre? Oct 01 23:00:42 I think it's a good move Oct 01 23:00:42 But these are patches, we already know they will run a script Oct 01 23:00:57 but you dont know whats in the script unless the confirmation comes up Oct 01 23:01:01 I was just wondering. It sure beats the method of manually putting in the patches lol Oct 01 23:01:03 since preware is pretty much a generic installer and doesn't verify or gaurantee any sources, it's good that users have the option of seeing what is being done Oct 01 23:01:07 one could have cd /; rm -rf * in it Oct 01 23:01:11 and you wouldn't have any clue Oct 01 23:01:25 most users won't give a hoot, but it's good ot have anyway Oct 01 23:02:07 it pawns the old way of installing pacthes! Oct 01 23:02:50 I'm just glad it's there because I don't have to use WOQI, I can do it all on-device Oct 01 23:03:06 Is there any usefulness for LunaManager Service? Oct 01 23:03:07 I hate digging out my cable and flipping open that little cover toe xpose the port Oct 01 23:03:15 lunamanager isnt a service Oct 01 23:03:21 * hmagoo does not like usb either Oct 01 23:03:24 I like my hole to remain a virgin. Oct 01 23:03:29 Ok... lol Oct 01 23:03:30 haha Oct 01 23:03:47 it would eb sick if we coudl sync the same way we charge with the touchstone Oct 01 23:03:49 I am 90% sure Palm made that thing flimsy on purpose. Oct 01 23:03:56 only 90%? Oct 01 23:04:22 lol Oct 01 23:04:28 ok.. I was trying to give them benefits there Oct 01 23:04:33 Does it have any usefulness though? Oct 01 23:04:35 benefit of the doubt Oct 01 23:04:36 AnOutsider: that would be useful if there was actually something to sync with on the desktop :p Oct 01 23:04:53 haha Oct 01 23:04:58 well I mean for stuff liek webos doctor and such Oct 01 23:05:03 I've been using that door since I bought my Pre. It's okay if you're gentle with it Oct 01 23:05:18 webos DOES seem a bit incomplete without a solid desktop component though Oct 01 23:05:39 What would be useful is something more than just bluetooth audio Oct 01 23:05:52 like actual bluetooth pan Oct 01 23:07:26 Am I the only one who thinks the Camera app opens extremely quick now? Oct 01 23:07:29 Who has a free minute to be a guinea pig on a cool browser patch? Oct 01 23:07:50 hmagoo: where are you Oct 01 23:07:55 hehehe, I rhymed. Oct 01 23:07:59 it does seem like it opens faster Oct 01 23:08:07 Whats the browser patch dB? Oct 01 23:08:19 one Jason "the Man" has been working on Oct 01 23:08:25 you can still open it to card view though and have it show Oct 01 23:08:30 Whats it do? Oct 01 23:08:37 its fun to play with in card view Oct 01 23:08:46 gives option to download or stream steamable files, gives hotkey shortcuts for pageup/pagedown, asnd urlbar in landscape Oct 01 23:09:05 DL in Browser patch. Oct 01 23:09:12 Don't we already have that? Oct 01 23:09:20 not this cool for 1.2 Oct 01 23:09:35 I am at work still and don't have access to scp files to the Pre, or I would test it for him. Oct 01 23:10:29 oh yeah Oct 01 23:10:59 i knew you would go for it Oct 01 23:13:14 need a file though. I have zero luck with copy/paste patches Oct 01 23:14:03 oil: I am connected to wifi and I have the AirRave in my house. Are you suggesting that it might be hanging on something if I don't hav ea good connection? Oct 01 23:14:52 going to watch some tv.... Oct 01 23:14:58 sup Oct 01 23:15:03 oh snap...it finally loads all the way...thank goodnes Oct 01 23:15:25 ment99: yeah Oct 01 23:15:25 anyone know if there are plans to make the show-call-duration into a "patch" that can be run via Preware? Oct 01 23:15:39 the last person i helped with that was on wifi and couldn't reach the preyourmind feed Oct 01 23:16:18 What is Luna? Oct 01 23:17:09 the webos front end Oct 01 23:17:14 ahhhh' Oct 01 23:20:00 * clee wonders when Luna will get some decent hardware acceleration Oct 01 23:20:40 * chrisa wonders why clee assumes it has none Oct 01 23:20:49 chron: well, it's using DirectFB. Oct 01 23:20:54 last time I checked they didn't have GL support. Oct 01 23:21:05 er. sorry, s/chron/chrisa/ Oct 01 23:22:34 lol Oct 01 23:23:33 Did it always make a sound when you swiped/closed a card? Oct 01 23:23:39 That shit bugged me the hell out this morning... Oct 01 23:23:43 the swoosh? Oct 01 23:23:51 yes Oct 01 23:23:54 swoosh has always been there Oct 01 23:24:00 Ron0001: that patch is funny because it is enabled in a data base and even though I just about cleaned up the whole pre before updating it, that tweak remained Oct 01 23:24:03 huh...never noticed it until this morning... Oct 01 23:24:04 which threw me Oct 01 23:24:21 its like a cockroach Oct 01 23:24:27 it always has on my pre Oct 01 23:25:27 is twee on filecoaster or preware? Oct 01 23:25:40 i am not seeing it...i guess i installed from an ipk file or somethin. Oct 01 23:30:46 hmagoo, interesting. Can you refresh my memory on how to run it? I have the adddress to the raw blob data on git. Oct 01 23:30:55 or point me to the wiki Oct 01 23:33:53 ment99, that swish sound is oddly not controlled by the system sound, but if you set the system sound, and then restart you Pre, it will take the level you set before the restart. Come to think of it, control of that would be a great little patch! Oct 01 23:54:03 Does anyone know if there is a built-in text editor in the works? Oct 01 23:54:34 With internalz, I would like to be able to edit some of the html and .json files for customizations without having to connect to the USB cable Oct 01 23:54:47 or to a computer at all for that matter Oct 01 23:54:53 vi terminal Oct 01 23:54:56 nano Oct 01 23:55:05 wait, it exists? Oct 01 23:55:22 nano yep. Oct 01 23:55:36 I installed nano Oct 01 23:55:48 but how do I run it Oct 01 23:56:03 sorry, when it comes to the core stuff, im a blank Oct 01 23:57:16 so the terminal app basically takes the connection through the SDK out of the loop eh? Oct 01 23:57:20 Me thinks I like Oct 01 23:57:30 Scratch59: you could edit via the terminal app Oct 01 23:57:37 oh someone said it Oct 01 23:58:13 Now im gonna sound like a total noob Oct 01 23:58:19 i launch terminal and nothing happens Oct 01 23:58:27 Yea, you need the service. Oct 01 23:58:30 am I missing a background service of some sory? Oct 01 23:58:32 ahhhhh Oct 01 23:58:49 search terminal again and it will show up. Oct 01 23:58:51 if I install the service after the fact, will it work? Oct 01 23:58:57 Yep. Oct 01 23:59:07 gooood Oct 01 23:59:20 i plan on using this to add keywords to ALL my apps :) Oct 01 23:59:39 keywords? Oct 01 23:59:44 plugin Oct 02 00:00:35 Hello fellas, have I miss anything? Oct 02 00:00:40 you know how the 1.2 update allows you to type things like sms and the text messaging icon will show up in universal search? Oct 02 00:01:01 well each application's appinfo.json can be edited to customize said keywords Oct 02 00:01:16 so I plan on taking all the json files for my games Oct 02 00:01:23 and adding a "game" keyword Oct 02 00:01:34 neat Oct 02 00:01:34 so, from universal search, if I type "Games" Oct 02 00:01:40 it will show me all my games Oct 02 00:02:02 I have been adding and deleting launcher pages for months trying to get each page to represent a category Oct 02 00:02:15 but I like this universal search workaround better Oct 02 00:02:27 to me, it makes the pre all that much more user friendly Oct 02 00:02:30 hehe, I just let all of the stuff I install fall into the first launcher, and move the important ones to the top Oct 02 00:02:46 almost EVERYTHING can be done through universal search Oct 02 00:03:06 The launcher just got too complicated Oct 02 00:03:27 as i become more used to the apps I have installed, I can finally type their names and call them up that way Oct 02 00:03:35 but I want to "Relate" them all with tags Oct 02 00:03:41 make things a LITTLE more intuitive Oct 02 00:03:51 yeah, it's a good idea Oct 02 00:04:00 the only problem I have is that the appinfo.json gets overwritten with updates Oct 02 00:04:23 you've gotta convince them to do it upstream Oct 02 00:04:42 soooooooooooooo..... im working on that Oct 02 00:04:44 haha Oct 02 00:06:17 if anyone has suggestions... itd be nice Oct 02 00:08:34 crickets eh? Oct 02 00:11:34 having palm tell everyone to maybe go back down to version 1.1 is interesting considering the vulnerability issues with 1.1 Oct 02 00:13:42 Scratch59, are you in the house? Oct 02 00:15:07 boo i guess not, has anyone noticed the network time screwing up at random times of the day? Oct 02 00:15:32 like the clock will be lagged 10 mins, but after you play around a bit network time will restore the real time just with you being active on your phone? Oct 02 00:15:54 yo Oct 02 00:15:56 tharris-: Palm is recommending that? Oct 02 00:16:04 Scratch!!!! Oct 02 00:16:15 wuddup? Oct 02 00:16:21 did you squarify and opacity? Oct 02 00:16:34 dont you mean opaciFy? Oct 02 00:16:37 My phone's time drifted pretty severely when I lost coverage once. dunno what caused it Oct 02 00:16:44 of course Oct 02 00:16:48 seems they are tlp Oct 02 00:17:01 my phones time sometimes just randomly drifts, but most the time its right Oct 02 00:17:06 that makes me angry though Oct 02 00:17:07 so when u get your exchange to work, then u can be hacked :/ Oct 02 00:17:12 so Scratch, did you Opacify? Oct 02 00:17:30 nah Oct 02 00:17:39 * PreMan Scratch meant to say 'yes' Oct 02 00:17:49 oh so you did! Oct 02 00:17:50 amazing! Oct 02 00:17:58 i DID get the tags to work in universal search Oct 02 00:18:10 which was what I wanted to get done yesterday Oct 02 00:18:17 awwwwww but opacity = 0 and squarify the screen are much needed! Oct 02 00:19:00 I did do a webosdoctor wipe on the device today Oct 02 00:19:06 to get everything back to normal Oct 02 00:19:07 why Oct 02 00:19:13 so I could screw with stuff Oct 02 00:19:24 did you get the 1.2 emulator installed? Oct 02 00:19:32 I couldn't get internalz to work Oct 02 00:19:37 no matter what I tried Oct 02 00:19:43 after the doctor's visit Oct 02 00:19:44 its working Oct 02 00:19:57 so now I can check for the location of those scene html files Oct 02 00:21:06 yeah i guess there is no hope for squarify or opacity to be released tonight, just checked preware and no sign of em Oct 02 00:21:35 how long you got? Oct 02 00:21:44 now that I have internalz, I can find the files Oct 02 00:21:50 then we can extract them Oct 02 00:21:54 and see what we can do Oct 02 00:22:04 hmmm.... well.... i'll push for an hour and half and see if we get far or not Oct 02 00:22:13 downloading new sdk, that emulator should be os1.2 right? Oct 02 00:22:23 Ok, just finishing the installation of the terminal on my pre Oct 02 00:23:08 the new sdk comes with os1.2 right Oct 02 00:23:10 ? Oct 02 00:23:16 did you download/install the new SDK? Oct 02 00:23:33 not yet Oct 02 00:24:56 the new sdk comes with a 1.2 emu right? Oct 02 00:25:05 i dont know Oct 02 00:25:10 I have it at work Oct 02 00:25:11 not at home Oct 02 00:25:16 oh, are you dling? Oct 02 00:25:33 let me boot into windows Oct 02 00:25:40 k Oct 02 00:25:41 ill brb Oct 02 00:32:32 This calls for a jones soda Oct 02 00:34:15 The webos-internals.org wiki is not consistent on one point: can you confirm that the "normal" state of the root ("/") mount should be left as ro, not rw? Oct 02 00:34:54 yea Oct 02 00:34:59 nt4cats, I applaud you for your diligence Oct 02 00:35:05 I just followed the instructions for installing optware, sshd, and an unprivileged user Oct 02 00:35:10 normally I'd say you want to keep the filesystem as ro Oct 02 00:35:37 ... and at the end my root partition is rw (the 'helper' script does this). Oct 02 00:35:42 Okay, I'll toggle it back, thanks Oct 02 00:36:10 +egaudet, good handling of the situation, couldn't have handled it better myself Oct 02 00:37:11 Windows takes forever to boot, and thus Scratch is not returning Oct 02 00:37:34 win7 on my netbook boots faster than xp Oct 02 00:37:42 It is storming here, is anyone else experiencing a Thunder Storm or Thunder Shower tonight? Oct 02 00:37:55 hahahaha which netbook do you have? Oct 02 00:38:02 asus 1000h Oct 02 00:38:26 sweet, i'm debating whether or not to get one in a couple months, would you say its worth it, like what kinda stuff you use it for? mainly internet stuff or? Oct 02 00:39:39 it's def worth it, i replaced the stock 1gb stick with 2gb corsair and win7 flies. very good battery life also. Oct 02 00:40:16 i use it for everything since i built a media center for my mkv's Oct 02 00:40:48 my media center is constantly d/l mkvs and outputting 1080p content. Oct 02 00:41:14 with the original 1gb stick though wasn't it noticably slower, i've noticed with most netbooks out of the box the speed isnt the big salepoint i guess? Oct 02 00:42:00 it wasn't slow at all, i just bought 2gb for win7 since i'm a big multitasker and win7 needs at least 2gb on a netbook. Oct 02 00:42:17 since it's processing power is slower Oct 02 00:42:23 you're a big multitasker, but you're using a netbook? Oct 02 00:42:27 isn't that an oxymoron? Oct 02 00:43:00 oil I got the messanging landscape to finally install -.- Oct 02 00:43:12 I'm afraid if I get a netbook, I would only use it for the same thing i use my pre for, internet on the go Oct 02 00:43:24 somehow from when I downloaded the webos 1.2 dr it has an extra two line returns in a css file Oct 02 00:43:25 XD Oct 02 00:43:29 Stop it from installing Oct 02 00:43:43 Tilton53, the man who valiantly kept his nick making him all the greater Oct 02 00:43:50 http://i33.tinypic.com/153s9s6.jpg Oct 02 00:43:53 is for multitasking Oct 02 00:44:11 Tilton53, or oil... or whoever... does the new sdk come with a webos1.2 emulator? Oct 02 00:44:17 PreMan, yes Oct 02 00:44:18 It should Oct 02 00:44:28 lots of cameras Oct 02 00:44:31 Oil Yeah I have a desktop like that Oct 02 00:44:34 triplescreen!!!!!!!!!! Oct 02 00:44:39 one for pc, one is hooked to the xbox Oct 02 00:44:40 i want triple, i only have double! Oct 02 00:44:40 except it's three different computers Oct 02 00:44:41 XD Oct 02 00:44:48 woah... Oct 02 00:44:56 those are all on the one pc Oct 02 00:45:07 no shit.. Oct 02 00:45:10 lol Oct 02 00:45:15 lol Oct 02 00:45:21 I have servers that sit under my desk and in my laundry room Oct 02 00:45:26 >.> I needed screens for them Oct 02 00:45:35 yeah, ive got a headless linux box in my closet Oct 02 00:45:51 ugh, you guys are using files that my sdk needs to install Oct 02 00:45:58 my xbox is a linuxbox Oct 02 00:46:03 so i have to leave i'll brb, next time don't use my files that hte sdk needs to install Oct 02 00:46:13 i put linux on my og xbox once Oct 02 00:46:13 I just like running shell scripts that refresh the box stats on the screen Oct 02 00:46:14 XD Oct 02 00:46:18 but it was pretty useless Oct 02 00:46:27 Oil I thought about that Oct 02 00:46:27 more useful for ripping games to its 250gb hd xD Oct 02 00:46:36 I have 4 old xboxs sitting around Oct 02 00:46:40 lol Oct 02 00:46:42 i have 2 Oct 02 00:46:44 one modded, one stock Oct 02 00:46:48 for halo2 Oct 02 00:46:49 but the ram on them is pityfull Oct 02 00:46:50 dont ever call a xbox useless Oct 02 00:46:51 when i played on it Oct 02 00:46:58 hey Oct 02 00:47:00 i like xbox Oct 02 00:47:05 its just not so good for linux Oct 02 00:47:10 its more useful for playing games Oct 02 00:47:16 they only have like 64mb of ram? Oct 02 00:47:17 XD Oct 02 00:47:29 VERY useful as a server Oct 02 00:47:37 phiq you're kidding right? Oct 02 00:47:44 hell nah Oct 02 00:47:44 >.> I have a router with more ram Oct 02 00:47:45 XD Oct 02 00:48:04 64 mb is enough to run a few intances of apache and that's it Oct 02 00:48:17 my xbox is always on and anywhere i go i have access to my media Oct 02 00:48:25 right from my pre Oct 02 00:48:28 see that's usefull Oct 02 00:48:32 id rather use my puny old dual p3 550 with 512mb of ram then waste the xbox on linux Oct 02 00:48:41 XD Oil Oct 02 00:48:44 back Oct 02 00:48:56 next time guys don't use my files that mojo sdk needs to install Oct 02 00:49:29 phiq gets squid to install on an xbox Oct 02 00:49:37 then setup about 6 of them in a cluster Oct 02 00:49:38 >.> Oct 02 00:49:47 i love my box Oct 02 00:49:49 If that actually worked it'd be epic Oct 02 00:49:49 XD Oct 02 00:50:00 my xbox could beat your xbox in a fight Oct 02 00:50:27 My router could beat your xbox in a fight Oct 02 00:50:35 touche Oct 02 00:50:39 >.> 2.8ghx dual core with 2Gb of ram and 300gb hd Oct 02 00:50:40 XD Oct 02 00:50:43 ghz* Oct 02 00:50:57 your router has a hard drive?! Oct 02 00:51:14 of course it runs a proxy/cache server Oct 02 00:51:14 XD Oct 02 00:51:27 Caches updates, music, webpages, and videos from the internet Oct 02 00:51:44 I save a shitload of bandwidth come microsoft update time Oct 02 00:51:45 XD Oct 02 00:51:47 mine has blinky lights! Oct 02 00:51:59 I have the WHOLE internet cached on my router. I can disconnect my broadband and keep on' surfin Oct 02 00:51:59 Mine has a few on the back >.> Oct 02 00:52:06 sure nt4cats Oct 02 00:52:07 XD Oct 02 00:52:23 I only have about 3gb of windows updates cached Oct 02 00:52:26 woah! how big is the internet? Oct 02 00:52:28 but it does help Oct 02 00:52:33 ;) Oct 02 00:53:20 it says the status of my install for mojo sdk is full green bar... but its frozen Oct 02 00:53:31 PreMan wait for the driver popup Oct 02 00:53:46 lmao Oct 02 00:53:49 the second you said that it came Oct 02 00:53:55 XD Oct 02 00:53:58 magic Oct 02 00:54:01 hes in your pc Oct 02 00:54:14 you had my driver popup cached in that blinker of yours! Oct 02 00:54:45 yes yes I did Oct 02 00:54:47 ok... so I guess Scratch ran away from me Oct 02 00:55:08 we had this great ambitious project to get opacity=0 and squarify the screen to work, and he just up and runs like that Oct 02 00:55:16 >.> It's sad when I install a router with logging and find out one person in my building is 80% of the daily web traffic Oct 02 00:55:59 tilton, so quit hogging up all the bandwidth, 4chan isnt going anywhere Oct 02 00:56:08 LoL not me Oct 02 00:56:11 hahahahaha Oct 02 00:56:14 XD Some guy is on youtube all the time Oct 02 00:56:15 -.- Oct 02 00:56:15 psykoz, 10 points! Oct 02 00:56:23 I installed a youtube cache just for him Oct 02 00:56:34 dumbass played the same like 30 music videos over and over again Oct 02 00:56:37 XD Oct 02 00:56:50 SCRATCH59 HAS RETURNED! Oct 02 00:57:02 Blue Knight, has gained a level. Oct 02 00:59:53 Wizard needs food badly Oct 02 01:00:02 hahahahha! Oct 02 01:00:09 yes!!!! lmorchard is great! Oct 02 01:00:17 * lmorchard bows Oct 02 01:04:40 anyone know a way to use mojo (luna-send) to get a the process ID of the last process started Oct 02 01:05:40 i dont Oct 02 01:06:18 i don't get it? Oct 02 01:08:27 well, i want to be able to get the last process ID given out by luna Oct 02 01:09:00 so i start an card/app and I want to know what the process ID is of that card by calling something like PIDLastRunApp Oct 02 01:09:05 hey guys, how do i just restart luna (the super soft luna reset) from terminal? Oct 02 01:09:32 its in the wiki Oct 02 01:09:37 hang on Oct 02 01:11:08 I think i just gained a level and made opacity work, but i need that luna restart command to see if it failed or successeded Oct 02 01:11:20 stop LunaSysMgr && start LunaSysMgr Oct 02 01:11:33 wait you did? Oct 02 01:11:36 thanks Oct 02 01:11:43 you on the emulator or the device? Oct 02 01:11:45 yeah, files were in same place it seems, lets see if it worked Oct 02 01:11:47 emulator Oct 02 01:11:51 new sdk one Oct 02 01:11:53 pussy! Oct 02 01:12:05 gotta go all or nothing Oct 02 01:12:08 lolol! Oct 02 01:12:12 was the code similar? Oct 02 01:12:15 well... it failed Oct 02 01:12:28 wait, opacity:0 should be completely see thru right? Oct 02 01:12:29 does it still work? Oct 02 01:12:35 yeah I think Oct 02 01:12:37 yeah, but it isnt see thru Oct 02 01:12:39 maybe not though Oct 02 01:12:48 is it opaque? Oct 02 01:12:56 its still see thru though a little, so its not completely blocked Oct 02 01:13:01 so that means it did nothing, thats weird Oct 02 01:13:04 how could it do nothing Oct 02 01:13:15 are you sure you mounted the FS as rw? Oct 02 01:13:25 no but it let me write Oct 02 01:13:40 it doesn't save if you dont mount as RW Oct 02 01:13:52 but i just vi'd the file again and my changes are there Oct 02 01:13:59 is it really not doing it though or? Oct 02 01:14:01 when you enter :qw, you get a message at the bottom that says RO file system Oct 02 01:14:15 try a full reboot? Oct 02 01:14:19 im confused Oct 02 01:14:26 you would think it would have at least broken it Oct 02 01:14:41 yeah but instead it did nothing Oct 02 01:14:50 that does not compute Oct 02 01:15:20 when i do :w it doesnt complain about read only or anything Oct 02 01:15:29 does anyone know if the 1.2 SDK is mirrored somewhere so I don't have to keep giving palm my info to download it? Oct 02 01:16:53 PreMan < install Luna Manager from preware Oct 02 01:16:54 XD Oct 02 01:16:55 giving them your info? Oct 02 01:16:57 you just login... Oct 02 01:17:11 you really need to completely reboot Luna Oct 02 01:17:12 Tilton53, i'm on emulator Oct 02 01:17:13 really? Oct 02 01:17:18 uh, yeah Oct 02 01:17:19 it will still work Oct 02 01:17:21 >.> Oct 02 01:17:31 Preman you can install preware on an emulator Oct 02 01:17:34 XD Oct 02 01:17:35 for launcher edits? Oct 02 01:17:38 my bad Oct 02 01:17:44 for launcher edits i need to complete reboot? Oct 02 01:17:54 or Luna reboot Oct 02 01:17:58 don't trust me Oct 02 01:18:01 where it restarts Luna completely Oct 02 01:18:03 do the luna manager Oct 02 01:18:19 apparently that makes a difference Oct 02 01:18:23 the old restart commands I haven't been able to get to work on commandline in 1.2 Oct 02 01:18:24 :/ Oct 02 01:18:31 idk why Oct 02 01:18:35 but luna manager works Oct 02 01:18:35 i did it and it flashed Oct 02 01:18:38 and is easy Oct 02 01:18:38 XD Oct 02 01:18:41 but your saying it still didnt work right? Oct 02 01:18:48 even though the screen flashed and stuff Oct 02 01:19:01 you need to see that boot logo Oct 02 01:19:17 i need to stop dolling out advice Oct 02 01:19:17 i do Oct 02 01:19:22 when i rund the && command Oct 02 01:19:30 i see the boot "palm" Oct 02 01:19:30 then it should ahve worked Oct 02 01:19:31 XD Oct 02 01:19:49 just reboot and wait the ten minutes Oct 02 01:20:05 i just deleted another line Oct 02 01:20:11 AHA Oct 02 01:20:13 BINGO! Oct 02 01:20:31 really? Oct 02 01:20:31 WINNER WINNER!!!!! W00T The crowd goes wild as the PreMan fight song plays! Oct 02 01:20:43 master linux pre haxx0r!!! Oct 02 01:20:57 Scratch59 it's an emulator Oct 02 01:20:59 5 minutes Oct 02 01:20:59 the crowd goes nuts because the song is vaguely similar to "boomer sooner" Oct 02 01:21:10 in fact, its exactly the same! Oct 02 01:21:19 Crowd is still going nuts! Oct 02 01:21:26 so now you have opacified Oct 02 01:21:36 squarification is your next hurdle Oct 02 01:21:38 yes! Opacified YAY! emulator time Oct 02 01:21:47 emulator style* i mean Oct 02 01:21:52 heres a question though Scratch Oct 02 01:21:59 ~seen jaycanuck Oct 02 01:22:01 jaycanuck was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 4h 48m 29s ago, saying: 'PuffTheMagic: will you also be making an emulator-compatable C service'. Oct 02 01:22:07 say i do this manually on my phone..... when 1.3 comes out, am i really going to spend the time to manually undo it? Oct 02 01:22:13 ~seen rwhitby Oct 02 01:22:13 rwhitby was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 6d 13h 46m 45s ago, saying: 'so it would be easy to write a service which would hide all the homebrew apps from the palm install api, and then restore them again after you've installed an app from the app catalog ...'. Oct 02 01:22:27 ~seen that hot girl on the train today Oct 02 01:22:28 i haven't seen 'that hot girl on the train today', freakout_work Oct 02 01:22:36 HAHahahahhahah Oct 02 01:22:38 Oh infobot, you missed out mate Oct 02 01:22:44 ~seen your mom in over two weeks Oct 02 01:22:45 i haven't seen 'your mom in over two weeks', zsoc Oct 02 01:22:48 dude I do want the square screen back :< Oct 02 01:22:49 ROFL Oct 02 01:22:51 HAHAHAHaHHAHAH Oct 02 01:23:01 I totally just did it to myself Oct 02 01:23:11 beat me to it, zsoc :p Oct 02 01:23:12 whoever at palm decided with didn't need the 50 pixels in the corner of our screen is retarded Oct 02 01:23:13 >.> Oct 02 01:23:32 Tilton53, not retarded, because he might be in here, but i agree it was an odd artistic decision Oct 02 01:23:35 Tilton53, i agree 100%, and so next task is squarify Oct 02 01:23:45 XD Oct 02 01:24:01 Yeah well it's not completely a bad idea but try using it with the terminal program Oct 02 01:24:02 >.> Oct 02 01:24:09 i'll need to remember to manually undo these patches i'm doing though Oct 02 01:24:13 or else i may brick in 1.3 Oct 02 01:24:33 Tilton53, how dare you criticize art. the designer at Palm was making a strong statement about life in the modern world. "Aren't we ALL missing 50 pixels?" Oct 02 01:24:37 just do the repair on the file Oct 02 01:24:39 PreGame or just erase the phone with webdr Oct 02 01:24:40 XD Oct 02 01:24:42 using the repair utility Oct 02 01:24:42 I did that Oct 02 01:24:46 was nicer Oct 02 01:24:47 PreGame, you can't brick your pre by accident, i assure you Oct 02 01:25:02 I am NOT PREGAME! Oct 02 01:25:04 HEAR ME ROAR! Oct 02 01:25:21 Rawrrrrrrr! Oct 02 01:25:21 hm, i feel worse for him, i keep dinging him because of your misnomer spouting :P Oct 02 01:25:35 lol Oct 02 01:25:45 i am such a n00b, but i have done opacity on 1.2 Oct 02 01:26:06 Scratch59, any idea where the .patch is for squarify? Oct 02 01:26:40 No idea Oct 02 01:26:46 let us hunt together then! Oct 02 01:26:56 i wnat to do them both on my emu before i do them IRL Oct 02 01:28:57 if anyone in here can brick their pre without modifying hardware - i will give you $100 dollars Oct 02 01:29:15 phone is what 700? Oct 02 01:29:28 but if you have insurance, your worst case is 100 Oct 02 01:29:29 you could fook up a firmware update Oct 02 01:29:30 tharris-: it cant be done Oct 02 01:29:33 :P Oct 02 01:29:36 is flushing it down the toilet considered modifying hardware? Oct 02 01:29:44 Scratch59: oh really, because i tested that, false. Oct 02 01:29:55 Decimation, i I can actually do it in about 10 second :P Oct 02 01:30:06 zsoc: how so? :P Oct 02 01:30:12 by flushing it! Oct 02 01:30:17 Flush Flush!!! Swish! BRICK Oct 02 01:30:17 you tested what? Oct 02 01:30:26 It's less a matter of whether or not you 'can' cook up a firmware update, and more a matter of whether or not you should. Oct 02 01:30:27 Decimation, it's probably not safe to state it in this channel, it's logged and some fool might try it, heh Oct 02 01:30:33 he pulled the battery when it said "don't remove the battery" Oct 02 01:30:39 does preware have the 4x4 patch now? Oct 02 01:30:40 Scratch59: unplugged while doctoring, and took battery out while updating. Oct 02 01:30:47 zsoc: pm please. Oct 02 01:30:49 wh0dat, yes Oct 02 01:30:56 cool Oct 02 01:31:04 i installed it already Oct 02 01:31:08 works great Oct 02 01:31:37 when did that happen? Oct 02 01:31:47 2 days ago Oct 02 01:32:06 Preware has the 4x4 patch? Oct 02 01:32:15 ive been using it for a while Oct 02 01:32:17 Scratch59: it was stating.. yes. Oct 02 01:32:37 preware CAN have just about every patch out there Oct 02 01:32:46 I asked this question the other day, but nobody smart was around i think. i'll try again now... firmware question. Oct 02 01:32:50 except for customization ones Oct 02 01:32:54 Could you flash the Pre with a different carrier firmware? Oct 02 01:32:57 Except for squarify and opacity! Oct 02 01:32:59 where does preware have patches? Oct 02 01:33:03 IE irish QWERTY GSM pre with unlocked German Doctor Oct 02 01:33:05 other than the keyboard one? Oct 02 01:33:06 in patches section Oct 02 01:33:14 you need to hook it up with the feed Scratch Oct 02 01:33:34 OHHHHHHHHHHHHH Oct 02 01:33:41 so not stock off QI Oct 02 01:33:49 install the autopatch ipk Oct 02 01:34:07 Scratch59, i can't find out how he squarified the screen! Oct 02 01:34:13 freakout_work: yes, you can, but it's very risky. You can already buy Pre's with a flashed ESN on ebay. However you have to do some serious hacking to get around the palm activation, and I don't know how. Oct 02 01:34:18 imho square screen patch is ugly as hell Oct 02 01:34:34 I don't like it either Oct 02 01:34:40 +oil, it takes away the stupid rounded corners Oct 02 01:34:42 VeeDubb65-Steve: when rwhitby gets back he will tell you Oct 02 01:34:56 i modified the doctor to do it Oct 02 01:34:58 he* Oct 02 01:34:59 oil: I don't want to know how. I was just answering a question for freakout Oct 02 01:34:59 not i Oct 02 01:35:00 psh Oct 02 01:35:11 well how did he do it! Oct 02 01:35:12 PreMan: i know what it does, i said it was ugly Oct 02 01:35:25 oh yea, well I'm gonna be ugly if i don't figure out how to do it! Oct 02 01:35:35 and then I will be teh Lozerz Oct 02 01:36:05 PreMan, only then? Oct 02 01:36:11 VeeDubb65-Steve: but learning is fun! :p thanks Oct 02 01:36:14 well, maybe Oct 02 01:36:36 PuffTheMagic, ping Oct 02 01:37:49 PuffTheMagic, ping! Oct 02 01:37:50 anyone know where puff lives? GMTish? Oct 02 01:37:55 I was trying to download the 1.2 SDK Oct 02 01:38:01 probably Michigan Oct 02 01:38:07 thats a complete random guess Oct 02 01:38:09 and the "prove you are a human" text box had this written Oct 02 01:38:22 "Arousing Men-More Oct 02 01:38:23 " Oct 02 01:38:43 Scratch59, maybe it assumed it was something you were good at Oct 02 01:38:50 wow i'm mean tonight Oct 02 01:39:08 that wasn't called for Oct 02 01:39:08 i was trying to think of something witty to say Oct 02 01:39:12 but you got to it first Oct 02 01:39:33 i was going to go with something like "it knows robots aren't gay" though Oct 02 01:39:37 oh it was definitely called for, it was just mean Oct 02 01:39:51 Scratch59, i just read a post somewhere that said squarify on quickinstall still works with 1.2 its the only one that still does Oct 02 01:39:56 zsoc: funny stuff - nice. Oct 02 01:40:01 are you able to verify this? Oct 02 01:40:13 i haven't the balls to try it Oct 02 01:40:34 here is my source --> http://m.forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/205884-unable-access-launcher-after-tweaks-1-2-0-a.html Oct 02 01:40:45 youve got the emulator up and running Oct 02 01:40:47 give it a shot Oct 02 01:40:47 someone says that squarify is the only one that still works Oct 02 01:40:58 how do I hook QuickInstall into emulator? Oct 02 01:41:01 OH! Oct 02 01:41:06 by chooseing emulator! Oct 02 01:41:08 WHAT A THOUGHT! Oct 02 01:41:35 i appreciate the need to think out loud, please just try to hit enter less Oct 02 01:41:51 understood. Oct 02 01:41:58 zsoc++ Oct 02 01:42:02 I have a quick question, I have the autopatch feed installed on my pre and I changed a bar-assistant.js with quilt but forgot that I have the date in the top installed with preware. Now that i replaced bar-assistant with the original file, preware thinks I have the date patch installed when I don't. Any ideas on what I should do? Oct 02 01:42:40 geist, you forgot my semi-colon ;) Oct 02 01:43:06 uninstall and reinstall preware? Oct 02 01:43:13 that would be your easiest solution Oct 02 01:43:17 Scratch59, Confirmed, Squarify the Screen still works Oct 02 01:43:33 Then that takes that project and puts it on the fast track! Oct 02 01:43:37 Scratch59, but don't you feel like we should figure out how it did that? Oct 02 01:43:49 Lets review: last night we had a goal of making opacity and squarity work Oct 02 01:43:59 Tonight = goal met; Oct 02 01:44:09 Actually, I'm pretty sure you didn't do either of those things. Oct 02 01:44:11 but but! don't we want to know how he does it w/o a .patch file? Oct 02 01:44:31 zsoc: yes we did! Oct 02 01:44:31 People actually put work into those patches I bet. Oct 02 01:44:36 zsoc, you are a smartass Oct 02 01:44:55 are there any other ideas? I know theres a command in terminal that will make it so preware sees I dont have the patch installed Oct 02 01:45:15 Scratch59, any idea how he does squarify w/o a patch file? Oct 02 01:45:22 I'm gonna sound mean here, but preware takes about 4 mintues to uninstall and reinstall Oct 02 01:45:41 that could have been completed while you have been waiting for the answer that hasn't come Oct 02 01:46:06 Pre, I'm trying to get my hands on the new webos quick install Oct 02 01:46:08 preware? Oct 02 01:46:18 preware should never be uninstall, lol. Oct 02 01:46:25 srsly Oct 02 01:46:42 if its reporting bad info, why try to enter a command line to fix it Oct 02 01:46:48 you can just remove it and reinstall it Oct 02 01:46:58 it should RARELY be uninstalled Oct 02 01:47:07 but in this case, its the easiest solution Oct 02 01:47:43 unless someone here knows the secret command to make preware stop lying! Oct 02 01:48:25 okay scratch59, but preware will know that I have other patches installed as well and automatically recognize them, or do I have to uninstall all the patches I have done with preware uninstall them and then reinstall preware? Oct 02 01:48:50 since I don't install my patches using preware, I wouldn't know that answer Oct 02 01:48:54 sorry Oct 02 01:48:56 why don't you just run quilt with whatever switch to remove all patches? Oct 02 01:49:09 zsoc++ Oct 02 01:49:25 zsoc: great advice Oct 02 01:49:36 -a or something... check the wiki Oct 02 01:50:30 anyone know the commands to mount the file system ro, and rw off the top of their head? Oct 02 01:50:52 mount -o remount, rw / Oct 02 01:50:57 mount -o remount,ro / Oct 02 01:51:01 k thx Oct 02 01:51:14 sorry... additional space Oct 02 01:51:22 Scratch59, I'm proceeding to do the patches IRL Oct 02 01:51:46 first up is squarify, i'll update you on the progress Oct 02 01:51:49 I wish I cared this much to actually do them Oct 02 01:52:19 Instead of lead you down this path of guess-fueled uncertainty Oct 02 01:52:20 Scratch59, we're talking 50px here... not just 2 or 3... 50! Oct 02 01:52:46 your guesses have given us adventure Oct 02 01:53:04 its not like we are talking HD TV vs SD TV Oct 02 01:53:17 where I am actually missing parts of the picture Oct 02 01:53:22 we are talking fiber optic vs phone modem Oct 02 01:53:30 in those corners, there is never any content Oct 02 01:53:38 and I like the way it looks rounded Oct 02 01:53:40 in the web browser there is Oct 02 01:53:51 HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY? $500? $1000?????! EVEN MORE?!?!? NO IT'S JUST $99!!! It's Windows! Oct 02 01:53:59 zsoc: lies Oct 02 01:54:12 What? Oct 02 01:54:17 where did that come from? Oct 02 01:54:50 applying....... squarify..... Oct 02 01:54:52 Microsoft Oct 02 01:54:54 wish me luck Oct 02 01:55:35 SUCCESS! Oct 02 01:55:55 Scratch59, I will now manually apply opacity Oct 02 01:56:41 PreMan, I feel like I'm right there with you Oct 02 01:56:52 where in preware does it let you connect to custom feeds Oct 02 01:56:54 ? Oct 02 01:56:54 zsoc: you are with me in spirit! Oct 02 01:57:03 ~botsnack Oct 02 01:57:03 thanks, oil Oct 02 01:57:34 ~botsnack Oct 02 01:57:34 PreMan: :) Oct 02 01:57:55 infobot, needs food badly... Oct 02 02:00:16 please don't suggest people to uninstall and reinstall preware because you didn't have an answer for them Oct 02 02:00:29 i dont even see what reinstalling it could possibly do Oct 02 02:00:30 and why? Oct 02 02:00:37 it doesnt make any sense Oct 02 02:00:52 i think oil is a pretty cool person Oct 02 02:00:55 in fact, generally, if you don't have an answer, don't suggest anything except possibly where to find the answer Oct 02 02:00:56 s/cool/queer/ Oct 02 02:00:57 Decimation meant: i think oil is a pretty queer person Oct 02 02:01:02 it doesn't make any sense and it makes people believe there could be a problem with preware Oct 02 02:01:07 their problem had nothing to do with preware Oct 02 02:01:08 Decimation, timing no so great, but good effort Oct 02 02:01:09 ~botsnack :) Oct 02 02:01:09 Decimation: :) Oct 02 02:01:25 if preware is saying something is installed Oct 02 02:01:26 and it isnt Oct 02 02:01:37 and it's also going to require novacom/QI/manual other methods to install again that some users MIGHT not want to do Oct 02 02:01:39 then its an ipkg problem Oct 02 02:01:43 not a problem with preware Oct 02 02:01:46 preware lists what its told Oct 02 02:01:46 Scratch59, that is your understanding of it but that was not the issue Oct 02 02:01:53 zsoc: bah, wth. Oct 02 02:02:34 he manually changed a js file, the patch was still installed under preware and it is 100% expected for preware to list it as installed Oct 02 02:02:37 preware installs ipk Oct 02 02:02:55 manually modifying things that the ipk installed does not uninstall the ipk nor should it ever be thought to Oct 02 02:03:53 if preware says it is installed that is because ipkg lists it as installed and any other issues with that package is out of preware's hands completely Oct 02 02:04:06 he said he backed the modification out Oct 02 02:04:12 srsly, preware is innocent in most problems Oct 02 02:04:18 Scratch59, he manually modified a js is what he said Oct 02 02:04:24 im not attacking the validity of the application Oct 02 02:04:28 that has NOTHING to do with the package or ipkg info Oct 02 02:04:45 Scratch59, I'm not suggesting you were attacking anything Oct 02 02:05:27 now oil what do you think about 100 different patches for opacity changing opacity from 0 to 99 :P Oct 02 02:05:43 cool Oct 02 02:05:50 +egaudet, i'm on it! Oct 02 02:06:04 :D Oct 02 02:06:07 now that I read his original message, I misread it Oct 02 02:06:09 hm, did irssi get packaged for preware yet? Oct 02 02:06:21 but back to more light hearted conversation Oct 02 02:06:30 +egaudet, just got it to do opacity = 0 on mine Oct 02 02:06:31 what would be good values. 0, 5, 10, 25, 50, 100 Oct 02 02:06:36 Scratch59, That means SUCCESS! Oct 02 02:06:42 0, 10, 20, 30...100 Oct 02 02:07:20 +egaudet, i suppose you are going to do it with an .ipk? Oct 02 02:07:20 Azalyn it doesn't need to be packaged Oct 02 02:07:22 so its working eh? Oct 02 02:07:27 works great Oct 02 02:07:30 aza Oct 02 02:07:44 PreMan, that's the only way to do it for preware Oct 02 02:07:54 * oil wonders if egaudet is going to write a spec for user input on postinst Oct 02 02:07:58 Azalyn: you have to have terminal anyway so typing ipkg-opt install irssi just isnt' that hard Oct 02 02:08:05 dBsooner!!! Boomer Sooner Plays!!! Oct 02 02:08:10 :D Oct 02 02:08:18 egaudet: ping Oct 02 02:08:26 oil, do you mean like user interaction from a postinst to mojo? Oct 02 02:08:29 oh he is so here Oct 02 02:08:40 I'm going to make my first ipk!!! Oct 02 02:08:42 w00t! Oct 02 02:08:45 LOL Oct 02 02:08:50 What do you mean? Oct 02 02:08:52 dBsooner, pong Oct 02 02:09:05 egaudet: read that pm window from my work laptop and do as I asked Oct 02 02:09:06 ;) Oct 02 02:09:13 rboatright: oh Oct 02 02:09:21 I dunno, I think I'm going to make an ipk that does the opacity! Oct 02 02:09:40 i didn't know there was a distinction between it being in the repos and it being in preware Oct 02 02:09:52 So you are going to actually compile the ipk yourself? Oct 02 02:10:05 or you are going to make the patch and give it to egaudet to put in the build.git stream Oct 02 02:10:06 :) Oct 02 02:10:08 Azalyn: there are 1300 linux app it Optware that don't NEED to be in preware.... Oct 02 02:10:22 hm.. Oct 02 02:10:30 from Apache to Lizp Oct 02 02:10:30 i have no idea, i don't even think i'm really gonna do the real one, i think egaudet is all over that Oct 02 02:10:35 we're going to have to eat the rest Oct 02 02:10:37 is there a list? Oct 02 02:10:44 but i'm going to do one also for the fun of it to see if i can get an ipk Oct 02 02:11:08 I was thinking of using trickle(d) Oct 02 02:12:28 but it's not all that useful for me. Oct 02 02:12:48 mojo lets you edit the filesystem right? Oct 02 02:13:07 what Oct 02 02:13:16 or do you have to make some sort of script or something? Oct 02 02:13:25 how do the patches on preware work, cuz they are ipks Oct 02 02:13:35 but they edit the filesystem, so does mojo let you do that? Oct 02 02:14:06 they are auto packaged, depackaged, and the patch is applied, presumably by the package manager service talking to quilt. Oct 02 02:15:04 is there a wiki on how that all goes down? Oct 02 02:15:11 that could be wrong, oil would know more Oct 02 02:15:16 ##linux might know more Oct 02 02:15:42 what does the actual patch file look like then, is it just a .patch, or is it truly an ipk? Oct 02 02:15:51 Azalyn: type ipkg-opt list and you'll get a list Oct 02 02:16:26 PreMan, take the ipk, open it, look around Oct 02 02:16:37 good idea Oct 02 02:16:46 can you link me to the feed, i keep losing it? Oct 02 02:17:23 the patch is packaged into an ipk with a postinst and prerm shell script Oct 02 02:17:54 the postinst script does the backup stuff and patches with GNU patch (does dry-run first to see if it can) Oct 02 02:17:58 so this seems like the right audience to ask this question Oct 02 02:18:04 the prerm does a GNU patch reversal after a dryrun Oct 02 02:18:13 +egaudet, is the actual patch just a .patch file (like diff stuff) or something else? Oct 02 02:18:25 when an app gets updated, does the appinfo.json get updated as well? Oct 02 02:18:33 yes Oct 02 02:18:39 because the ipkg contains it Oct 02 02:18:46 and the ipkg is extracted entire Oct 02 02:18:53 PreMan, yes Oct 02 02:18:59 shit Oct 02 02:19:04 a .patch has no real special meaning Oct 02 02:19:16 it's just a text file produced by a diff program Oct 02 02:19:20 right but it gets run with GNU patch, it doesnt have to have that extension Oct 02 02:19:23 so my idea to edit the keywords associated to my installed applciations is useless once they are updated Oct 02 02:20:17 +egaudet, so how are all these patches being done, are the people just creating the .patch files and using some automated thing to do the rest, or do the patchmakers actually do everything and put it up on the feed? Oct 02 02:21:08 where is the ipkg folder with the src located o_O Oct 02 02:21:13 I forgot the path oO Oct 02 02:21:32 Currently I'm handling all the auto packaging stuff Oct 02 02:21:58 yeah Oct 02 02:22:02 +egaudet, so there's no wiki on how to do all the stuff after the .patch file? people just hand you .patch files? Oct 02 02:22:03 patches are put into the gitorious modificatios repo Oct 02 02:22:09 "currently" what's that mean? Oct 02 02:22:11 +egaudet, sorry for probing you with all this crap Oct 02 02:22:21 i'm just so curious Oct 02 02:22:24 PreMan, not yet, it's still alpha Oct 02 02:22:29 poor egaudet Oct 02 02:22:46 dBsooner, it means I dont' want to handle a million patches for ever Oct 02 02:22:47 fire, pitch forks, lynch mobs......... Oct 02 02:22:50 lol Oct 02 02:23:08 I might be forced into a protection program and name change and all that! Oct 02 02:23:15 +egaudet, so last question, so in the end ppl send you .patch and you autopkg and make magic so it works? Oct 02 02:23:51 yea there's only one very important piece to the puzzle. The postinst/prerm being generic and used by every ipk Oct 02 02:23:54 patch ipk * Oct 02 02:23:55 well if you can talk rod into getting me full control over the masters of build.git and modifications repo, you're job will get easier. Oct 02 02:24:30 I don't know what "full control over the masters" means but he can set you up with push access I'm sure Oct 02 02:24:47 PreMan, people are currently sending me the .patch for various reasons Oct 02 02:24:49 full control over the master tree Oct 02 02:24:53 meaning delete access. ;) Oct 02 02:25:12 dBsooner, still dont' know what you mean Oct 02 02:25:18 nevermind Oct 02 02:25:23 you get push access Oct 02 02:25:27 it's git tree Oct 02 02:25:39 pull, edit, push Oct 02 02:26:20 right, but to delete un-needed patches that are in the repo.. Oct 02 02:26:30 pull, delete patch, push.. Oct 02 02:26:31 +egaudet, any chance i could get you to expand on the postinst/prerem being generic and used by every ipk? i know postinst and prerm are scripts that run before/after a package is installed, but what do you mean by they need to be generic? Oct 02 02:27:19 the patch post/pre is a generic one Oct 02 02:27:34 it just copies the patch out, installs patch and copies a file backup Oct 02 02:27:39 dBsooner, removing a file from source control is still an edit Oct 02 02:27:45 ahh Oct 02 02:27:50 its generic so the epr can fix it if its fubar Oct 02 02:27:57 you won't be able to remove it from the feed though Oct 02 02:27:59 ahhh so he just means he attaches his generic one? Oct 02 02:28:03 yes Oct 02 02:28:05 if you do something different, the epr wouldnt work Oct 02 02:28:06 aha! Oct 02 02:28:06 I dont' know who has access to that, just Rod I think Oct 02 02:28:08 Why not? Oct 02 02:28:09 thanks tons for explaining Oct 02 02:28:18 anyone have a root pre or terminal install that can try something for me Oct 02 02:28:35 because right NOW only Rod has admin on that site. Oct 02 02:28:40 even if the build.git skips it, it won't remove it from the feed like what happened with Precentral? Oct 02 02:28:52 * oil doesn't want tharris in his pre... i've seen your videos xD Oct 02 02:29:09 lol Oct 02 02:29:15 You would be doing it =p Oct 02 02:29:16 when the PC.net THemes XML had the ZIP part removed, our build.git automatically dropped the ipk's from our feed. Oct 02 02:29:18 tharris will get in my pre if i do what he says? Oct 02 02:29:42 i just would not open any emails on your pre if you do not know who they are from hows that Oct 02 02:30:00 dBsooner, I don't know how it works but it seems like removing the build.git file doesn't get rid of the directory on the autobulider site, so it tries to go into that dir and run make but nothing is in that dir and that causes error and building stops Oct 02 02:30:03 even though we already had those ipk's in the feed, they still got dropped out because build.git saw they got removed from the xml Oct 02 02:30:04 * oil has been on the look out for "all your base" messages Oct 02 02:31:00 Battery Precent and Icon says it has an update, but when i click the only option I get is remove?! Oct 02 02:31:07 sigh Oct 02 02:31:08 right Oct 02 02:31:10 does this mean I have to remove and reinstall to get the update? Oct 02 02:31:13 oil hush Oct 02 02:31:15 tharris, im game Oct 02 02:31:21 PreMan: of course Oct 02 02:31:26 you can't update a patched file Oct 02 02:31:29 patch would fail Oct 02 02:31:35 patch's are based on stock files Oct 02 02:31:44 err. stock chunks Oct 02 02:32:55 so if a patch ever appears in updates just remove and reinstall right? and all is well? Oct 02 02:33:05 how do you move around within nano Oct 02 02:33:06 ? Oct 02 02:33:15 who uses nano? Oct 02 02:33:16 lol Oct 02 02:33:22 vi!!!! Oct 02 02:33:26 yea really Oct 02 02:33:28 I USE NANO Oct 02 02:33:29 wait Oct 02 02:33:33 on the pre? Oct 02 02:33:37 I just asked about an hr ago Oct 02 02:33:40 umm.. don't use nano Oct 02 02:33:46 and people said to use nano Oct 02 02:33:52 wtf Oct 02 02:33:55 O.o Oct 02 02:33:58 I just use vi Oct 02 02:34:01 who was that? Oct 02 02:34:06 why download a second text editor? Oct 02 02:34:08 duz vim have colors supported on pre? Oct 02 02:34:15 i may have mentioned nano Oct 02 02:34:21 i love nano Oct 02 02:34:23 only in screen PreHero Oct 02 02:34:25 but not on the pre Oct 02 02:34:27 PreMan* Oct 02 02:34:35 I didn't want to get into vi command mode so Oct 02 02:34:37 PreMan: yes youa re correct. remove/install Oct 02 02:34:49 vi = the best once you learn it Oct 02 02:35:03 Where are the public logs located online? Oct 02 02:35:07 I know vi Oct 02 02:35:11 vi is like the best text editor ever Oct 02 02:35:20 * zsoc hugs vi Oct 02 02:35:28 but was told nano :( Oct 02 02:35:30 * thatdude hates vi Oct 02 02:35:32 thatdude: read the frickin SUBJECT of the channel Oct 02 02:35:34 how do I get out of nano Oct 02 02:35:38 how do u delete retuns in vi Oct 02 02:35:44 :D Oct 02 02:35:50 I am using irssi dick Oct 02 02:36:06 so one of the themes was showing 2 out of 3 wifi bars, and I was like wtf...... I think it is the theme, not my wifi Oct 02 02:36:13 I am in a file on the terminal on the pre using nano Oct 02 02:36:18 since it is right in front of me Oct 02 02:36:22 Whhen was the last time I type /topic? Oct 02 02:36:24 and I cant get out!!!!!!!!!!! Oct 02 02:36:29 how do u delete retuns in vi?? Oct 02 02:36:33 someone? Oct 02 02:36:45 thatdude: it gives you the topic every time you join doesn't it? Oct 02 02:36:46 wow, google. man nano, man vi Oct 02 02:36:52 lol Oct 02 02:36:55 Check my idle time Oct 02 02:36:57 delete returns? with a backspace? Oct 02 02:37:05 thatdude: so /hop Oct 02 02:37:08 or maybe delete button? Oct 02 02:37:14 WOW Oct 02 02:37:16 x Oct 02 02:37:19 bs doesnt work Oct 02 02:37:24 x = delete char in vim command mode Oct 02 02:37:28 thatdude: well you asked, and have been told where to find it Oct 02 02:37:30 it does depending on what mood you are in Oct 02 02:37:33 and mode lol Oct 02 02:37:35 i don't know why its still being discussed Oct 02 02:37:41 you didn't get the exact answer you wanted? Oct 02 02:37:42 forget text mode in vim unless you are typing text :P Oct 02 02:37:59 +oil: Are you done? Oct 02 02:38:03 even though you were an ass to me Oct 02 02:38:04 i think so Oct 02 02:38:05 here: Oct 02 02:38:07 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Oct 02 02:38:08 hit dddddddddddddddddddd Oct 02 02:38:09 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Oct 02 02:38:20 How do you copy and paste? Oct 02 02:38:27 hmagoo, more like 10000 dd Oct 02 02:38:29 dd, no just kidding Oct 02 02:38:34 or dG Oct 02 02:38:40 d+shift+G Oct 02 02:38:50 1G and then d+shift+G (dont do that if you dont know vi) Oct 02 02:38:52 :q! Oct 02 02:38:56 this is like a vi man infobot Oct 02 02:39:03 waether 92260 Oct 02 02:39:05 here is an idea.. Oct 02 02:39:10 weather 92260 Oct 02 02:39:13 copy and paste in vi just do yyp Oct 02 02:39:14 come on bot!! Oct 02 02:39:15 let me get the link for you.. Oct 02 02:39:16 yy = copy line Oct 02 02:39:18 p = paste Oct 02 02:39:33 p = paste after Oct 02 02:39:36 P = paste before Oct 02 02:39:39 and im done Oct 02 02:40:15 whats the population of somalia? Oct 02 02:40:27 ahh! before the war.... Oct 02 02:40:31 factbook Oct 02 02:40:38 thought this was Oct 02 02:41:19 hmagoo, oil: btw thanks Oct 02 02:41:53 does pre have VIM? Oct 02 02:42:03 vi is in busybox Oct 02 02:42:22 vim supports backspace Oct 02 02:42:39 sorry, vim is in busybox i mean Oct 02 02:42:48 actually, both Oct 02 02:42:50 busybox, meaning its on pre terminal too? Oct 02 02:42:52 yay! Oct 02 02:43:18 optware vim at least has ONE undo ability Oct 02 02:43:22 pre vi has none Oct 02 02:43:23 busybox meaning, a group of statically compiled applications that run regardless of how badly you mess up the c libs (or something similar to that explination) Oct 02 02:43:36 awful process management on the emu.....close open apps reboots luna Oct 02 02:44:04 busybox as in all my stuff is handled in -> busybox Oct 02 02:44:50 vi -> busybox, tar -> busybox, it's a uhhh very busy.... box Oct 02 02:45:35 not the latest versions exactly Oct 02 02:45:38 so I've done some googling, and I can't find what I need to get out of a file im editing using Nano Oct 02 02:45:45 Good night everyone Oct 02 02:45:47 I only have the pre keyboard Oct 02 02:45:52 cya Oct 02 02:46:04 so I don't know if I am missing a critical key Oct 02 02:46:08 how do i get novacom to run in bg Oct 02 02:46:12 i am clicking on novacom.exe Oct 02 02:46:17 hmagoo: peace, thanks again >_< lol Oct 02 02:46:35 Scratch59, use vi Oct 02 02:46:37 but everytime I try a key combo, it makes things worse Oct 02 02:46:43 Scratch59, ctrl+x? Oct 02 02:46:45 I know, I want to do that Oct 02 02:47:15 close the app and then go back and remove the swp Oct 02 02:47:15 wait, so vim is most def on pre? Oct 02 02:47:23 sym+x, then y or n, then enter to confirm name Oct 02 02:47:31 PreMan, yea vi is part of busybox Oct 02 02:47:33 well vim is on MY pre, but I _may_ have installed it through optware repo Oct 02 02:47:38 so if I close the terminal app, it won't cause issues? Oct 02 02:47:43 /bin/vi -> busybox Oct 02 02:47:46 Scratch59, it just won't save Oct 02 02:47:47 like leaving the file open or something Oct 02 02:47:55 /bin/vim Oct 02 02:47:58 Scratch59, it will leave the swp file Oct 02 02:48:06 some buffer open file Oct 02 02:48:10 i dunno what nano does Oct 02 02:48:17 just remove it Oct 02 02:48:26 nano is part of busybox also or no? Oct 02 02:48:27 thats my next step Oct 02 02:48:36 PreMan, there is no /bin/vim Oct 02 02:48:47 no nano Oct 02 02:48:55 I installed it before I saw the option to install the terminal Oct 02 02:49:09 ugh, if only i knew how to change vi's mode so it accepted backspace to delete returns Oct 02 02:50:04 PreMan, what do you mean Oct 02 02:50:11 is there a way to see the wifi strength somewhere, other than, the wifi icons. Oct 02 02:50:27 I mean like if i hit return a couple times on accident, backspace won't delete those extra lines i created with return Oct 02 02:50:44 escape to command mode Oct 02 02:50:47 dd Oct 02 02:50:48 on each line Oct 02 02:50:56 oh yea well stop hitting extra returns and do what oil said Oct 02 02:51:13 man, it just seems like point and clicking would win there, but everyone disagrees Oct 02 02:51:22 WTF Oct 02 02:51:24 point and clicking Oct 02 02:51:35 or hitting backspace Oct 02 02:51:37 how dare you bring a mouse near an editor Oct 02 02:51:39 using point and click to scroll Oct 02 02:51:48 but what about scrolling, apgeup pagedown bleh Oct 02 02:51:56 20j Oct 02 02:51:58 20k Oct 02 02:52:06 pageup/pagedown Oct 02 02:54:31 so the other problem I now see, is that I cant get out of text mode without esc Oct 02 02:54:45 sorry Oct 02 02:54:47 insertion mode Oct 02 02:54:58 escape is there Oct 02 02:55:15 also e Oct 02 02:55:21 ugh, where is the changelog for the patches, i don't think there is such a thing Oct 02 02:55:37 where is escape? Oct 02 02:55:46 http://tinyurl.com/ya2y4ew Oct 02 02:55:51 or i, or something like that Oct 02 02:56:21 oil, LOL Oct 02 02:56:35 and this one is for you PreMan: http://tinyurl.com/n8rlcq Oct 02 02:56:36 funny, AND provides the answer Oct 02 02:56:49 im with egaudet on this one Oct 02 02:57:00 hahahha Oct 02 02:57:02 aunt minnie is upon us Oct 02 02:57:02 ive never seen that before Oct 02 02:57:27 Eguy, this time i'm on your side Oct 02 02:58:02 http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html Oct 02 02:59:28 * oil has lmgtfy open and ready for more questions Oct 02 02:59:37 night gents **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 02 02:59:56 2009