**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 02 02:59:56 2009 Oct 02 02:59:57 Night Scratch, it was a pleasure tackling WebOS with you Oct 02 03:00:02 favorite error yet Oct 02 03:00:05 ditto Oct 02 03:00:06 Error: This Is Bad: FirstUse cannot maintain accountList subscription # this is from the pre lol Oct 02 03:00:16 oil can you google recursion for me Oct 02 03:00:33 http://tinyurl.com/cqr7gj Oct 02 03:01:13 did you mean: recursion Oct 02 03:01:16 :P Oct 02 03:01:35 yeah, thats awesome Oct 02 03:04:56 osculate me Oct 02 03:06:02 spelling checking error message should be done "[contextUpload: 470]: Appending context fo file failed" Oct 02 03:08:45 fo sho Oct 02 03:09:09 * oil begins to add spelling errors to all preware error messages Oct 02 03:10:47 nice Oct 02 03:11:11 whoa Oct 02 03:12:35 gratz ... Oct 02 03:15:34 egaudet... Oct 02 03:17:10 hey Oct 02 03:17:18 hey, samkim here Oct 02 03:17:36 sorry took so long to jump in Oct 02 03:18:40 so we were talking about how to manage the auto patch stuff... Oct 02 03:19:32 and the release process Oct 02 03:19:40 so what do i do? :) Oct 02 03:27:23 well the patch is in the gitorious repo at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications Oct 02 03:28:13 the images and packaging up into ipk happens by the autobuilder which pulls from the build.git repo at http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=summary Oct 02 03:28:27 rwhitby is on vacation so we'll have to wait till next week to get you push access Oct 02 03:28:53 does 'push access' include editing/updating? Oct 02 03:29:05 yeah Oct 02 03:29:07 It seems to me like Palm plans on implementing MSN Live into the Messaging update in the next update Oct 02 03:29:10 yep Oct 02 03:29:20 you'll want to clone the repos Oct 02 03:29:37 and then you can pull changes from the master, edit locally and then when we get you push access be able to push your changes up Oct 02 03:30:27 I saw the patch file... but how about the control file, postinst file, and the included files? Oct 02 03:30:40 when you get push access you'd be able to maintain the patch in the gitorious repo, edit it update it, push it, then tag the repo with a version bump and push the tag. Then go into the build repo and bump the version in the makefile, push that and the autobuilder will pick it up the next build which happesn every 15 minutes Oct 02 03:31:21 the control file is generated by the makefiles in the bulid.git, the postinst/prerm and images are in the build.git/autopatch/keytoss-keyword Oct 02 03:32:03 i guess that'll make more sense once I get push access... Oct 02 03:32:30 cloning the repo has to wait for push access as well? Oct 02 03:41:02 nope Oct 02 03:41:12 you can clone the repository and pull changes any time you want Oct 02 03:41:20 what OS Oct 02 03:41:30 hey does anyone know the novacom put command syntax? Oct 02 03:42:33 i dont Oct 02 03:42:40 but i bet its on the wiki somewheres Oct 02 03:42:55 ok it's novacom put file:///path/to/file/on/pre < localfile Oct 02 03:43:11 google -> wiki Oct 02 03:43:12 :D Oct 02 03:43:30 yeah, i just cloned the repo... Oct 02 03:43:45 we need a lmwtfy Oct 02 03:45:02 egaudet, what's wrong with scp? Oct 02 03:46:25 nothing Oct 02 03:46:47 i was gonna suggest novacom to someone but then realized nevermind Oct 02 03:48:49 haha "With the autopatch feed for Preware, the only thing I use quilt for is creating patches so I can submit them to the autopatch feed." Oct 02 03:49:52 That's an excellent viewpoint quote Oct 02 03:52:11 I apologize for this being off-topic, or if the topic is offensive. I've managed to drink dozens of single malts of various makes and years, and this is the first time I've ever had jameson. I find that ironic Oct 02 03:55:47 can i use a subversion client to connect to the repo? Oct 02 03:56:02 svn != git Oct 02 03:56:13 oh Oct 02 03:56:49 svn = git as apt = portage D: Oct 02 03:56:49 zsoc: really? jameson is a mainstay Oct 02 03:57:11 freakout, i know that. i know it. but some how i never did. i'm enjoying it. i was always stuck on the glens and the years and the 'vsop's. Oct 02 03:57:42 i don't suppose a gentoo guru is hanging around here? Oct 02 03:57:51 PuffTheMagic? Oct 02 03:58:07 oil, i _think_ he's in europe somewhere, which would make it like... 5-7am there Oct 02 03:58:20 zsoc, I'm as familiar with git as I am with portage, i.e., not at all Oct 02 03:58:35 i didnt know puff was european Oct 02 03:58:42 samk, fair enough :) Oct 02 03:58:55 oil, i don't know that for a fact. but i do know english definitely isn't his first language Oct 02 03:59:15 really Oct 02 03:59:21 hes got a pre though Oct 02 03:59:29 that he actually uses as his phone Oct 02 03:59:32 hm Oct 02 03:59:32 meaning, sprint service, no? Oct 02 03:59:41 well then he's _from_ europe ;) Oct 02 03:59:45 * zsoc shrugs Oct 02 03:59:55 lol Oct 02 03:59:59 sooo what about a novacom mojo service Oct 02 04:00:09 I'd like to think I'm a fairly accomplished linguist. I've noticed conjugation patterns :) Oct 02 04:00:12 err novacom service with a mojo gui Oct 02 04:00:33 * zsoc waits for PuffTheMagic to wake up and tell him he's from Mississippi Oct 02 04:00:37 next time i see him i ask him how to spell color Oct 02 04:00:44 you mean colour? Oct 02 04:00:49 exactly Oct 02 04:00:53 :> Oct 02 04:01:34 * zsoc builds a chroot without a separate partition, which he'll regret later Oct 02 04:02:32 zsoc: no copulating in the channel Oct 02 04:03:22 * zsoc osculates violently with himself Oct 02 04:03:53 eww Oct 02 04:06:54 Portage is really, _really_ cool Oct 02 04:07:41 "Portage refers to the practice of carrying watercraft or cargo over land to avoid river obstacles, or between two bodies of water. A place where this carrying occurs is also called a portage; a person doing the carrying is called a porter." Oct 02 04:08:41 it's a package manager. that BUILDS PACKAGES INSTEAD OF MANAGING THEM Oct 02 04:08:56 it's the Chuck Norris of package managers Oct 02 04:09:28 lol Oct 02 04:17:41 rsync is interesting Oct 02 04:17:50 i feel like i've read 5% of the internet this year Oct 02 04:18:02 Pretage Oct 02 04:18:46 5% of the internet sounds so small :P Oct 02 04:18:55 i wish the Pre used a version of glibc that wasn't ancient Oct 02 04:19:36 whta version does it use Oct 02 04:20:05 egaudet, thanks for fixing the image filename thing Oct 02 04:20:19 installed the new patch, and it works well Oct 02 04:20:37 of course, silly error on my part :P Oct 02 04:21:12 mind if I request changes to the title and description? Oct 02 04:22:37 need even more icons now Oct 02 04:22:56 maybe we can get templarian to make a large version of the bandaid-cross patch icon Oct 02 04:23:04 to use till we come up with better ones for the other patches Oct 02 04:23:56 samk it's yours through and through, you can change whatever you don't like about it Oct 02 04:24:19 oil yea good idea Oct 02 04:24:22 the box is stupid Oct 02 04:24:32 but I can't change anything since i don't have 'push access' :P Oct 02 04:24:32 i requested it on the icons page Oct 02 04:24:39 samk yea I'll change it just let me know Oct 02 04:24:39 oil, i have an artist friend of mine who agreed to make png icons as requested. Oct 02 04:24:57 thx Oct 02 04:25:12 title? Oct 02 04:26:01 Well, the full title doesn't show up in Preware... Oct 02 04:26:17 I'd like it to be KeyToss Keyword-Powered Search... Oct 02 04:26:36 but maybe it needs to be KeyToss Keyword Search Oct 02 04:27:02 what does that patch do? Oct 02 04:27:11 KeyToss Keyword Search... done Oct 02 04:27:18 description Oct 02 04:27:26 description: Installs KeyToss keyword-powered search tool to Universal Search and to the browser URL search Oct 02 04:27:58 btw, I see it described as Universal Search and Global Search in different places... Oct 02 04:28:08 got a link to any screenshots you want? Oct 02 04:28:09 I *think* the official name is unversal... Oct 02 04:28:10 and/or icon? Oct 02 04:28:31 the universe and the globe are very different things D: Oct 02 04:28:34 i'll have to work on the screenshot and icon... Oct 02 04:28:42 but what is keytoss? Oct 02 04:28:44 k Oct 02 04:28:50 want me to push the title/desc changes? Oct 02 04:28:51 So, quick event is nice, but I wish I could type out that syntax in universal search and then just hit "add event" Oct 02 04:28:54 like that new search they are doing for the paid apps tomorrow? Oct 02 04:29:11 That would be so cool and exactly what I've been wanting for years ever since getting addicted to remember the milks easy add syntax Oct 02 04:29:13 KeyToss is a mobile portal... one of the features is the ability to search across fifty different search tools Oct 02 04:29:22 psykoz, "I wish I could..." sounds like the beginnings of a new patch to me :P Oct 02 04:29:50 egaudet, yes please... in case it gets released before I'm ready... Oct 02 04:29:51 I was thinking of trying my luck at hacking something out, but damned being a single parent, no time for anything Oct 02 04:30:06 psykoz, bravo, props to you Oct 02 04:30:59 Is it conceivable to call another apps "input" from another app? Oct 02 04:31:01 the keyword search on the pre now looks locally... Oct 02 04:31:13 KeyToss is for Internet search Oct 02 04:31:49 so you can search wikipedia by typing 'w thing-to-search' Oct 02 04:32:05 psykoz: there are apps that load other ones. (ie. google maps bookmarks) Oct 02 04:32:09 or youtube by typing 'yt jk wedding' Oct 02 04:32:37 psykoz: i dont know of any off hand that take data from another app Oct 02 04:33:07 Oh wait, looks like someon already requested such feature in the author of quickevents forum post Oct 02 04:33:20 So maybe it'll be in due time Oct 02 04:34:04 So what is this "Luna" category? Oct 02 04:34:14 Not sure that Luna means anything to most people... Oct 02 04:35:15 i wish the airave had faster speeds than 1xRTT. Oct 02 04:35:36 the airave only does 1xRTT o.O Oct 02 04:35:38 ? Oct 02 04:35:43 psykoz: yes. Oct 02 04:36:09 If you're using airave, you have wifi, no? Oct 02 04:36:11 psykoz: it tunnels through your internet connection to sprint Oct 02 04:36:44 I am aware of what it does, but I would have thought they would have furnished 1xEVDO style relay for that, being it was made within the past year Oct 02 04:37:08 airave came out around april 2008. Oct 02 04:37:12 err june Oct 02 04:37:22 The categories will be revamped in a passthrough before releasing autopatch feed to beta Oct 02 04:38:31 k thx Oct 02 04:38:49 i get my 2600 battery today \o/ Oct 02 04:39:41 are there any problems using the alternate batteries with the touchtone? Oct 02 04:40:05 2600 doesn't work with it Oct 02 04:40:11 but i dont use a touchstone so no bothers to me Oct 02 04:40:19 got the battery so i wont need to deal with a touchstone lol Oct 02 04:40:30 ahh i see. i love my touchstone :P Oct 02 04:41:09 it just seems impractical for me Oct 02 04:42:17 it sits my phone upright so i can see it when im working at my desk, which i like. Oct 02 04:43:10 I want a touchstone Oct 02 04:43:36 I'm tired of sliding my phone open to open the usb Oct 02 04:44:15 isnt the induction charging slower? Oct 02 04:44:44 punzada, incorrect. induction charging is _AWESOME_ Oct 02 04:44:55 i have it on the touchstone all the time. it seems to work a little faster. Oct 02 04:45:11 and in the future, resonance induction charging will charge your electronics wirelessly, and at distance Oct 02 04:45:34 zsoc: as well as your brain tumours Oct 02 04:45:42 oh i'm not arguing the tech, I love the whole tech (and intels recent work with it especially) Oct 02 04:45:55 yup, touchstone is awesome Oct 02 04:46:03 I just can't personally justify the price Oct 02 04:46:06 freakout, why? how is a resonance frequency any different than the hundreds of frequencies that go through your body every second from various sources? Oct 02 04:46:45 * freakout_work cannot hear zsoc under his tinfoil suit (to reflect the rays) Oct 02 04:46:46 i just wish the touchstone came with the cable to plug it into the wall. Oct 02 04:47:02 punzada, u shoulda gone to the first engadget show; they gave away free touchstones Oct 02 04:47:14 Yeah I saw that. Oct 02 04:47:37 Yeah, you should have flown across the country for a free $50 item ;) Oct 02 04:47:40 That'll do it! Oct 02 04:47:58 yea i paid full price for mine. oh well. worth it imho. Oct 02 04:48:15 i was thinking about getting another, if it only included the cable. Oct 02 04:48:59 I just want the larger battery, I don't mind using the regular charger with that (I actually really like the standard charger because my portable speakers use the same style charing) Oct 02 04:49:17 charging* Oct 02 04:49:27 usb cables are $1 at monoprice.com Oct 02 04:49:53 just need the A/C to usb converter Oct 02 04:51:11 samk, particularly one that works at 1 watt minimum Oct 02 04:51:37 which is something like 5v at 500ma Oct 02 04:53:22 don't know anything about watts and amps Oct 02 04:56:34 samk: just make sure you get amps that go to 11 Oct 02 04:57:54 :) Oct 02 04:58:20 pre uses micro usb, but many micro usb charges just.. well.. won't charge it Oct 02 04:58:47 the pre draws 3 to 4 times more power than most micro usb phones Oct 02 04:59:29 Also i can't believe there are 75,000 iphone apps. that just flabberghasts me Oct 02 05:00:46 zsoc, better get moving on your pre apps Oct 02 05:01:05 heh, i'm still on #1 Oct 02 05:01:09 it's going to be awesome tho ;) Oct 02 05:01:48 we'll never get to 75k if everyone focuses on quality Oct 02 05:02:06 amen Oct 02 05:02:18 zsoc, whats your app? Oct 02 05:02:52 secret ;) Oct 02 05:03:11 any clues? Oct 02 05:03:12 hey, that's mine too Oct 02 05:08:49 the app count is all the iphone folks have at this point Oct 02 05:09:43 i agree, on that note, later :) Oct 02 05:09:47 And all Bill Gates has is tens of billions of dollars Oct 02 05:32:02 how can i tell If my webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar is web os 1.2 or 1.1? Oct 02 05:32:47 tryign to do the Web OS Repair Utility Oct 02 05:32:47 I would assume it's 1.0 seeing how it says 100 in the filename Oct 02 05:33:27 how can i make sure i select web os 1.2 with Web OS Repair Utility? Oct 02 05:33:55 No idea about that, but if it installs 1.0 I would assume you can just update it to 1.2 like you previously did Oct 02 05:35:23 well, heres what my dumbass did: i have web os 1.2 installed, I wanted to do the 'Global Search Addon' but the files i replaced were for web os 1.1, now my launcher is not working and I forgot to backup the files before I wrote over the new ones, like a dumbass Oct 02 05:35:58 so I want to repair with the Web OS Repair Utility but it asks for web os 1.2 Oct 02 05:36:08 1.2 shows build 108.171 Oct 02 05:36:21 1.1 shows build 76.143 Oct 02 05:36:54 They have the same filename Oct 02 05:37:24 ahhhh, ok, I think I have it right then, ok Oct 02 05:37:28 ty Oct 02 05:37:35 np Oct 02 05:38:32 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Oct 02 05:39:03 got it, ty Oct 02 05:42:26 JamesBaud, I'd recommend the KeyToss Keyword Search patch. I hear it's awesome. :) Oct 02 05:42:42 what does it do exactly? Oct 02 05:43:14 yea, i use that in my normal browser, but i wanted the icon that shows up in Global Search Oct 02 05:43:23 it lets you do searches by just typing on your keyboard Oct 02 05:43:37 isnt that already built in? Oct 02 05:43:45 ie. universal search? Oct 02 05:43:49 it installs into both the browser and universal search Oct 02 05:44:03 so I could be inthe browser and search for an app? Oct 02 05:44:15 that seems kinda pointless, no? Oct 02 05:44:16 it's for internet searches Oct 02 05:44:32 imdb, youtube, amazon, google, yahoo, etc Oct 02 05:45:54 right now, if the browser is closed, universal search is limited to google, wikipedia, and a couple others Oct 02 05:46:13 and to use anything other than google, you have to tap the screen Oct 02 05:49:43 so if you start typing itll have other options in the search window? Oct 02 05:50:11 you use keywords to select the search engines Oct 02 05:50:31 when you install, keytoss becomes the first, default search tool Oct 02 05:50:55 so you type 'i connery' to search imdb for connery Oct 02 05:51:25 or 'w palm pre' to search wikipedia for palm pre (without having to tap the screen) Oct 02 05:52:06 aw man, Web OS Repair Utility fixed it but now my "5x4 icons per page" patch got replaced, or its back to original Oct 02 05:52:32 isn't that exactly what the repair utility is supposed to do? Oct 02 05:52:47 and i cant reinstall the patch with Preware Oct 02 05:53:15 i dont know what you were expecting... Oct 02 05:53:17 er let me try Oct 02 05:53:38 so what are all the prefixes possible? Oct 02 05:53:43 all i wanted was the web os repair utility to repair the global search's Oct 02 05:54:18 i saw the 3 files it needed get replaced, so then i shut down the program, but probally was too late Oct 02 05:54:39 aren't they the same files Oct 02 05:54:41 ? Oct 02 05:54:58 global search is part of app launcher Oct 02 05:55:08 ok, i get what your saying now, i failed, lol Oct 02 05:55:33 but you should be able to install 5x4 with preware Oct 02 05:55:42 the idea sounded good in my head =) Oct 02 05:55:49 yea, ill do it now Oct 02 05:57:32 cant remove the 5x4 patch now, error, oh man, now I relise what I did, god damn it Oct 02 05:57:40 epr? Oct 02 05:57:55 E-Money...you there? Oct 02 05:58:02 hi Oct 02 05:58:11 hello Oct 02 05:58:24 yea EPR time! Oct 02 05:58:29 (re: JamesBaud ) Oct 02 05:58:35 epr? Oct 02 05:58:39 cdadams1223, uninstall the package manager service with QI Oct 02 05:58:41 and then reinstall it Oct 02 05:58:42 do i want to know whut it is? Oct 02 05:58:57 okay...give me a minute Oct 02 05:58:59 JamesBaud, kind of like CPR Oct 02 05:59:11 u mean, start over? lol Oct 02 05:59:32 JamesBaud, hehe no it's just to remove all the patches you installed via preware, recovering the backups it saved and removing the ipks Oct 02 05:59:36 hehe xkcd ftw tonight Oct 02 05:59:38 http://xkcd.com/644/ Oct 02 05:59:43 well yea basically start over with patching Oct 02 05:59:49 well autopatch patching Oct 02 06:00:36 hmm...where the hell do I uninstall the thing? Oct 02 06:00:43 man this is a TASK! Oct 02 06:00:58 ok, so i go in Preware, remove all patches, then reapply again Oct 02 06:01:55 tools -> device management Oct 02 06:02:00 ok Oct 02 06:02:21 JamesBaud, you run epr to remove all patches and then reapply again Oct 02 06:02:36 ok...uninstalled Oct 02 06:02:40 epr is a self-removing package, it won't really install just run a script to fix ya up Oct 02 06:02:48 cdadams1223, now reinstall Oct 02 06:02:55 now, do I go into the WEBos internals (ALL) category? Oct 02 06:03:00 epr? Oct 02 06:03:02 yea Oct 02 06:03:08 JamesBaud, emergency patch recovery Oct 02 06:03:23 okay...lemme try that Oct 02 06:03:45 ok, ill try it Oct 02 06:03:50 do i need Luna too ro anything else for that matter? Oct 02 06:03:53 or* Oct 02 06:04:39 you can get whatever you want Oct 02 06:04:39 or terminal...like you mentioned previously? Oct 02 06:04:40 ok, its installed Oct 02 06:04:46 no you don't need anything else Oct 02 06:04:50 ok...just tryting to do this right Oct 02 06:04:53 lemme check Oct 02 06:04:58 luna manager is nice you can install that to restart luna after applying patches Oct 02 06:05:06 once the srevice is installed then run preware Oct 02 06:05:23 okay...lemme give it a go Oct 02 06:05:30 and go to available apps, feeds and see what feeds are listed Oct 02 06:06:56 Updating.............. Oct 02 06:08:16 Ah!!! The autopatch feed is there! Oct 02 06:08:22 Install I presume? Oct 02 06:08:57 oh thank god, it worked, you saved me egaudet, ty, ty, ty Oct 02 06:09:24 :D Oct 02 06:09:33 cdadams1223, yea Oct 02 06:09:48 and then update ffeeds Oct 02 06:09:50 and then you see patches Oct 02 06:09:53 DUDE Egaudet...you are the MAN! Oct 02 06:09:58 and I'm going to bed Oct 02 06:10:00 I did...I see 67 patches now Oct 02 06:10:03 thanks man Oct 02 06:10:03 good night and enjoy :D Oct 02 06:10:07 yay Oct 02 07:26:02 hey all. Oct 02 08:32:33 Anyone have a Twee IPK? I had to wipe my Pre and can't find it anywhere... Oct 02 08:34:54 nevermind...found my old beta email to get the filename: http://stashbox.org/v/624494/twee-0.94.ipk Oct 02 08:42:31 hehe Oct 02 11:37:17 yo! Oct 02 11:38:12 i wonder why conversations are not backing up, text messaging/mms/im Oct 02 11:38:30 looks like palm has very little hard drive space Oct 02 11:38:31 :S Oct 02 11:42:44 Does anyone know if anyone is writing a TASKS sync app ? Oct 02 11:48:15 i heard jwz was going to write it but got pissy when palm wouldn't let him make it v1.0 Oct 02 11:50:02 lol Oct 02 11:50:10 bad palm Oct 02 11:54:56 mornin all Oct 02 12:35:24 anyone up early here on the east, or crazy up late on the west? Oct 02 12:39:55 * ajames is up early in the west Oct 02 12:41:34 up on the east Oct 02 12:43:09 do you know of any reason my phone might be trying to give the that 153mb "second" 1.2 update again? Oct 02 12:47:25 actually just found a thread on just that on precentral - seems I am not alone Oct 02 12:48:35 Ron0001: looks like the first update was corrupted Oct 02 12:51:54 yea, I guess I'll need to run it again. Oct 02 12:52:53 well there is some app that can fix your pre Oct 02 12:52:56 repair something Oct 02 12:53:04 look in that thread on precentral for it Oct 02 13:06:52 have anyone tried to dump palm database with iM conversations and text messages to txt file and after doctor put it back in the database Oct 02 13:06:55 ? Oct 02 13:22:07 en0x: nope... there was talk about doing somethign similar not sure if it was done. Oct 02 13:29:59 hmm gotta take a look at it Oct 02 13:37:56 en0x, The webOS repair tool by canuck. yes, that is an option if I keep getting this Oct 02 13:47:30 Ron0001: good to know thx Oct 02 13:50:44 Anyone ever consider making a way to store favorites in Preware? It would make reinstalling much easier. Removal is already easy - (I love Emerg Patch Recovery). Oct 02 13:51:43 it would be better if preware will have some sort of internet account that it will sync info of installed apps to web server Oct 02 13:52:16 and after you webos doctor your pre.. you will just need to install preware and it will tell you what you had installed before Oct 02 13:52:20 ;) Oct 02 13:53:14 nice idea Oct 02 13:55:55 :) Oct 02 13:57:37 Mornin ya'll Oct 02 13:58:22 morning. Oct 02 13:59:37 morning? try midnight, freak :P Oct 02 14:00:47 http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Oct 02 14:01:08 It's Universal Greeting Time (UGT) everywhere Oct 02 14:02:06 lol Oct 02 14:02:10 my ass is laminated Oct 02 14:05:17 you Aussie boys are all messed up with this time thing. Oct 02 14:05:20 Its frickin 9am Oct 02 14:05:40 It's also like spring there or something right now Oct 02 14:05:46 oh yeah Oct 02 14:05:52 they are REALLY backwards Oct 02 14:06:09 Water drains the other direction, too Oct 02 14:06:23 I would get the reverse spin flusher Oct 02 14:06:29 no, yanks Oct 02 14:06:29 We are in... THE FUTURE Oct 02 14:06:39 welcome.... TO THE WORLD OF TOMORROW Oct 02 14:06:41 dBsooner-work: it's 10am actually. Oct 02 14:06:47 (it's october 3 here :p ) Oct 02 14:06:58 That's just messed up. Oct 02 14:06:59 No Templarian you're wrong Oct 02 14:07:11 freakout: You have jetpacks there and you're all holding out on us, aren't you? Oct 02 14:07:42 * freakout makes quick getaway in flying car to evade lmorchard's question Oct 02 14:07:44 Is Auss/New Zealand same time? Oct 02 14:07:49 DAMN IT Oct 02 14:07:50 Sydney* Oct 02 14:08:03 dBsooner-work: i think they're actually even more advanced than us Oct 02 14:08:08 wow Oct 02 14:08:09 the Kiwis have cyborg bodies Oct 02 14:08:09 crazy Oct 02 14:08:13 and webOS 3.0 Oct 02 14:08:23 and hawaii is WAYYY behind Oct 02 14:08:34 I hear New Zealand is just like Lord of the Rings Oct 02 14:08:42 Sheesh.. I knew them new zealand gooks were good for soemthing Oct 02 14:08:58 lmorchard: yep. suspiciously homo-erotic relationships between close friends abound Oct 02 14:09:21 * lmorchard ROFLMAO's Oct 02 14:09:24 You mean Spongebob Squarepants? Oct 02 14:09:32 hahahaha Oct 02 14:09:49 I heard that guy was from There. Oct 02 14:12:04 * freakout yawns Oct 02 14:12:15 alright, i'm outta here. Oct 02 14:12:26 sleep beckons. and then a camping trip on a remote mountain farm Oct 02 14:12:31 long weekend FTW Oct 02 14:12:40 silly aussies Oct 02 14:12:42 it'll be good to detox from the 'net. night all Oct 02 14:12:42 i'm hungry... Oct 02 14:12:47 they like mountains Oct 02 14:12:47 and farms Oct 02 14:12:51 and beckoning Oct 02 14:13:19 g'night.. have fun on the detox Oct 02 14:13:22 * freakout hands en0x his half-eaten sandwich, farts in dBsooner-work's general direction :p Oct 02 14:13:32 lol Oct 02 14:13:40 thanks for the sandwich Oct 02 14:13:52 en0x: it's Vegemite xD Oct 02 14:13:52 pfft Oct 02 14:13:57 have fun Oct 02 14:14:11 will do! Oct 02 14:14:18 oh, nearly forgot Oct 02 14:14:32 * freakout sets IRC scrollback to 1,000,000,000,000 lines, in case something interesting happens Oct 02 14:14:37 lol Oct 02 14:14:40 don't need to do that Oct 02 14:14:43 we log everything. ;) Oct 02 14:14:50 publically Oct 02 14:15:24 * freakout_camping knows what dBsooner-work doesn't: rwhitby edits the logs in secret to better reflect his own opinions :p Oct 02 14:15:33 anyone knows about progress of irc app for pre? Oct 02 14:15:47 lol.. I wouldn't doubt it freakout_camping Oct 02 14:15:50 no go to bed Oct 02 14:16:01 i'm goin' i'm goin' Oct 02 14:16:03 en0x: slow but sure. Ask oil Oct 02 14:16:05 * freakout_camping runs away Oct 02 14:16:32 dBsooner-work: i will thx Oct 02 14:50:07 en0x: progress has gone backwards Oct 02 14:50:30 no required headers from palm? Oct 02 14:50:39 no Oct 02 14:50:46 im apparently not doing the mojo anymore Oct 02 15:08:24 * dBsooner-work growls Oct 02 15:08:52 I love it when people post zip file with copyrighted palm source code in my thread Oct 02 15:08:58 oil, why you not doing mojo? Oct 02 15:09:09 * Templarian shoots with tranquilizer, and tags and releases. Oct 02 15:18:01 what did I miss? Oct 02 15:18:01 lol Oct 02 15:18:10 oh.. tag me! Oct 02 15:19:46 wtf? Oct 02 15:20:08 * jbrett wonders why his pre is asking him to update to webos 1.2 -- again.. Oct 02 15:20:24 see Oct 02 15:20:28 I have heard of tha thappening Oct 02 15:20:43 go ahead and let it download the files Oct 02 15:20:45 then just tell it no Oct 02 15:20:48 dn't install Oct 02 15:21:03 and let's look at the ipk's to see if they ar enew or not Oct 02 15:21:46 d'oh! Oct 02 15:21:49 im up to date Oct 02 15:21:50 :D Oct 02 15:22:15 * jbrett guesses he should've done a "ipkg upgrade", instead of clicking the update-manager "install" button :P Oct 02 15:24:03 well, crap. I guess I'll be re-patching in 20min or so :( Oct 02 15:27:22 crap^2. By the time I got it connected, and got a shell, it's already installing stuff -- I don't dare kill it now. Oct 02 15:28:53 lol Oct 02 15:29:22 on mine I always did the: There is a new upgrade for webos.. 1.2.0 or whatever.. I hit "download" Oct 02 15:29:35 then when its done downloading and it prompts to install, I just throw the card away. Oct 02 15:29:56 dBsooner-work: how would I tell if anything's new? It downloaded 232 packages to /var/lib/update/, but I dunno how to compare them with what's already installed. Oct 02 15:30:09 hmm Oct 02 15:30:12 hang on to them Oct 02 15:30:19 we can get the version # of the ipkg in /var/lib/update Oct 02 15:30:25 dBsooner-work: yeah, I mistakenly hit the "install" button in the notification that came up :P Oct 02 15:30:26 is it installing them? Oct 02 15:30:36 yeah Oct 02 15:30:40 ok.. well we will do a version # on them in a sec Oct 02 15:30:50 and I'll compare them to my version #'s from the install on monday. Oct 02 15:31:43 I guess I can just copy them to /media/internal, since I can't rsync them anywhere right now.. Oct 02 15:32:05 no need Oct 02 15:32:09 since it's installing them Oct 02 15:32:17 we can do it on the ipkg list_installed Oct 02 15:32:32 oic Oct 02 15:35:47 wtf? PmUpdater installs packages with "-force-overwrite -force-downgrade -force-space -nodeps"??? That seems a bit, I dunno, *unsafe*.. Oct 02 15:36:18 hey all Oct 02 15:36:44 * jbrett waves @ MLJ Oct 02 15:37:18 lol Oct 02 15:37:45 So I know that PreCentral.net's theme feed is down... but when they turn it back one can download themes from their via Preware correct ? Oct 02 15:38:23 jbrett: from the packages dir do: ipkg info ./*.ipk version Oct 02 15:38:52 MLJ if we at webos-internals determine it is safe to do so Oct 02 15:39:28 MLJ if there are still themes that include whole CSS/JS files that "replace" the files on the device, then no, we will not include them in Preware. Oct 02 15:39:40 At least, I don't think we would. That would be up to the Preware folk... Oil.... Oct 02 15:39:47 dBsooner-work: on an individual basis? Oct 02 15:40:20 However, we are working with Precentral.net and Jason Rob* to get all the themes at precentral updated to not do any replacements Oct 02 15:40:22 what does the phone no alert patch? Oct 02 15:40:33 while your on the phone, the alerts won't happen Oct 02 15:40:37 while talking Oct 02 15:40:42 once you hang up, alerts are enabled Oct 02 15:40:43 oh cool Oct 02 15:41:02 thx we need better descriptions :P Oct 02 15:41:10 * dBsooner-work is working on that Oct 02 15:41:18 i do work you know. ;) Oct 02 15:41:24 me too:P Oct 02 15:41:36 gotta make money somehow Oct 02 15:41:49 dBsooner-work: so I uploaded a theme to precentral (.zip) does their catalog turn it into an .ipk? or Does Preware have extracting capabilities? Oct 02 15:42:22 you can only upload in zip Oct 02 15:42:44 our scripts at webos-internals download the zip files and convert them to ipk's and puts them in our feed Oct 02 15:43:18 I know this is why I was curious in the first place as I read that PreThemer.com turns them into .ipk's ... but if its webos-internals then that answers my question. Oct 02 15:43:38 webos-internals does* Oct 02 15:43:43 dBsooner-work: hmm, I don't get any output from that -- doesn't ipkg only work on the package database? I didn't know you could extract version info from the raw package. Oct 02 15:43:55 http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/117294/fuckscheme.jpg Oct 02 15:44:16 maybe I'd get something if I strip off the ".ipk" from the filenames, now that everything is installed. Oct 02 15:44:28 yokken: you serious? Oct 02 15:44:35 yeah dBsooner-work Oct 02 15:44:39 lol Oct 02 15:44:48 prof handed that out in class today Oct 02 15:44:52 for people to follow along with Oct 02 15:45:04 jbrett: i thought it would work on ipk files individually Oct 02 15:45:05 i'm already having a shitty morning so i decided to add a little spice to it Oct 02 15:45:11 lol Oct 02 15:45:29 i was going to leave it sitting on the table Oct 02 15:45:34 for my prof to find Oct 02 15:45:44 she'd be like "what in the shit?" Oct 02 15:46:46 that is some very femenine handwriting Oct 02 15:46:46 since she's russian and doesn't speak proper english Oct 02 15:46:53 thanks a lot Oct 02 15:46:59 as if my morning weren't bad enough Oct 02 15:47:24 no, just some of it Oct 02 15:47:28 most of it is not Oct 02 15:47:42 Oct 02 15:47:48 the top part is Oct 02 15:48:42 like which parts? Oct 02 15:48:49 censored? Oct 02 15:49:13 yeah Oct 02 15:49:22 ...i don't see it Oct 02 15:49:35 i like curves, not sharp edges Oct 02 15:49:43 unless it's a certain type of design Oct 02 15:49:51 i try to write with as many curves as possible Oct 02 15:49:56 it flows easier and is more pleasing to the eye Oct 02 15:49:59 sort of like a serif Oct 02 15:50:22 well at least you are sitting in your work vehicle smelling dog crap Oct 02 15:50:26 and can't find where it's coming from Oct 02 15:50:36 *aren't Oct 02 15:50:50 s/are/aren't/ Oct 02 15:50:54 and what in the world? where do you work? Oct 02 15:50:57 dBsooner-work: http://pastebin.org/32672 << the output of ipkg list_installed -- ignore all the pr0n ;^} Oct 02 15:51:17 lol pron Oct 02 15:51:28 :) Oct 02 15:51:57 lol bootie da bootloader Oct 02 15:51:59 (j/k) ;) Oct 02 15:52:16 yeah i realized you were kidding after i couldn't find any installed pornographic allplications Oct 02 15:52:20 wow. Oct 02 15:52:23 allplications. Oct 02 15:52:23 I am a field technician for a telecomm company Oct 02 15:52:36 dBsooner-work: so... why aren't you working? Oct 02 15:52:45 goood point Oct 02 15:52:54 because I am trying to find where this smell is coming from Oct 02 15:52:56 but if there's nothing to do Oct 02 15:52:59 I think it's like.. me? Oct 02 15:53:07 Oh there is plenty to do Oct 02 15:53:16 seriously though- compsci majors that smell like shit- it's not a fallacy. Oct 02 15:53:16 I am sitting in front of an apartment right now that I have to do an install at Oct 02 15:53:20 they seriously exist Oct 02 15:53:35 and one came in 30 minutes late to class today and sat right next to me Oct 02 15:53:59 it added a nice aroma of grease, dirt, and shit to the already-gross stale smoke smell on the girl in front of me Oct 02 15:54:01 i would point those out Oct 02 15:54:09 it almost completed my shitty morning Oct 02 15:54:16 I would raise my hand to disrupt the professor and say this dude smells like crap, I gotta move. Oct 02 15:54:24 hahahaha Oct 02 15:54:29 i wish i had the balls Oct 02 15:54:34 but compsci majors already hate each other Oct 02 15:57:11 same stuff jbrett Oct 02 15:57:17 dunno whyt it make you install it all again Oct 02 16:02:39 dBsooner-work: thanks for checking :) Oct 02 16:03:47 yokken: that link you gave me gave me a virus. ;) Oct 02 16:03:58 scheme-virus? Oct 02 16:03:58 * jbrett suspects updater flakyness is related to it installing everything with "-force-overwrite -force-downgrade -force-space -nodeps" -- that's just wrong. Oct 02 16:04:48 i don't know what it is but i got "Antivirus System PRO" running all of a sudden. Which is NOT a company program. Oct 02 16:05:06 * jbrett puts on his old-fart hat, and lectures yokken about how he used to have to carry big heavy boxes of punch cards 5 miles through the snow, with bare feet... ;) Oct 02 16:05:17 awww git is killingme Oct 02 16:05:28 sigh Oct 02 16:05:43 dBsooner-work: wasn't me Oct 02 16:06:26 atlanta: git's sheer awesomeness is killing you? Oct 02 16:06:39 * jbrett <3 git. Oct 02 16:06:40 jbrett: lol i guess if thats what you want to call it Oct 02 16:06:50 jbrett: you should teach me how to use it Oct 02 16:06:56 ??? Oct 02 16:07:39 atlanta: what's the problem? Oct 02 16:08:16 jbrett: i dunno i tried to understand how to edit and save changes but i didnt understand it Oct 02 16:08:25 only thing i knew how to do is clone and git pull Oct 02 16:08:26 lol Oct 02 16:09:24 atlanta: git pull; make your changes; git commit; (git push ) What could be simpler? Oct 02 16:09:56 jbrett: check you pm Oct 02 16:10:57 * jbrett grumbles, goes to figure out why encfs isn't auto-mounting his encrypted directory.. Oct 02 16:11:59 jbrett: ok ill give it a try Oct 02 16:12:02 i was using git-cola Oct 02 16:12:22 the gui for git in ubuntu maybe i should have just stuck to command line Oct 02 16:12:42 thanks Oct 02 16:12:43 atlanta: giggle is a nicer GUI, but GUIs don't really teach you how to use git. Oct 02 16:13:04 jbrett: well if the gui does the work for me then thats fine Oct 02 16:13:06 going to look for it now Oct 02 16:14:07 jbrett: thanks it looks much simpler Oct 02 16:15:53 oh duh, I never set up automount on this machine. Oct 02 16:16:00 * jbrett flogs himself with a wet noodle.. Oct 02 16:18:02 now I'm not hungry Oct 02 16:19:35 ahh, that's better. Oct 02 16:20:32 atlanta: so anyway, you're really going to be much happier if you just learn a few simple git commands in the shell. The GUIs out there don't really help, other than to visualize branch layout etc... Oct 02 16:20:55 jbrett: ok you made it pretty simple for me Oct 02 16:21:03 so ill fire up ubuntu when i get hoem Oct 02 16:30:07 cd usr Oct 02 16:30:07 I have the question regarding the emergency patch recovery Oct 02 16:32:25 The description states "Perform ERP on your Pre to restore all backed up files from any patch ipk installations. WARNING: OTA compatible, but run this BEFORE you touch any files after an update!" Oct 02 16:32:57 as soon as you click to install, and OK to run it will do all that stuff Oct 02 16:33:16 Wouldn't you want to run this before an update to restore you Pre to its originals file and not after? Oct 02 16:35:43 Also...does this restore your patches if you uninstall it? Oct 02 16:36:10 Just a bit confused as to how this is supposed to work.....or what it really does... Oct 02 16:36:11 ? Oct 02 16:38:17 * Mousey imagines cats trying to use windows NT Oct 02 16:40:37 woo, just got my 2600, dont think i have the eight hours right now to charge it though Oct 02 16:41:23 Mousey: I used to be an OS/2 guy (I'm old), and my IRC nick was 'os2cat'. When I got a new job that required me to run NT4 (which was new at the time), I thought it was cute/funny to switch my nick to 'nt4cats'. That's been my online ID ever since (even since I've not run a MS OS on my own box in almost 10 years ...) Oct 02 16:42:04 lnx26cats! Oct 02 16:42:17 lol Oct 02 16:42:21 well, you can run linux on badgers, why not nt on cats? Oct 02 16:42:28 yah, i'm old too, and similarily a decade without any MS Oct 02 16:42:30 M: yes, but at this point it'd be too much of a pain to change my name everywhere Oct 02 16:43:46 Being the paranoid type, I'm thinking of changing the port that dropbear is listening on to be something other than the 'standard' 222 Oct 02 16:43:55 well i'm personally offended by felininity, and vow to hide from you whenever you appear Oct 02 16:44:26 I just peeked at /opt/etc/default/dropbear, and therein I see: "DROPBEAR_PORT=2222" Oct 02 16:44:49 ... so that suggests to me that dropbear isn't reading/using that value Oct 02 16:45:06 netstat -auntp Oct 02 16:45:08 netstat -auntp | grep LISTEN Oct 02 16:45:18 oh, it is listening on 222 (already did that) Oct 02 16:45:27 tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:222 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1163/dropbear Oct 02 16:45:39 222 eh Oct 02 16:45:58 maybe cause 2222 is unpriv'd? maybe bug? can you grep for 222 in etc? Oct 02 16:46:56 oh, how is dropbear being called? is there a command arg in the script(?) overriding the config? Oct 02 16:47:11 arent you setting it in the /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear script or w/e? Oct 02 16:47:13 good point -- let me check there (duh!) Oct 02 16:47:33 * Mousey thinks . o O ( w/e? ) Oct 02 16:47:58 I just installed optware/non-priv'd user last night, so I haven't had a chance to poke around much and figure out how this is all wired together Oct 02 16:48:36 i'm too scared to put an ssh daemon on my phone. <_< Oct 02 16:49:02 I was too scared -- until last night. Then my inner geek overpowered the part of me that wants my phone to work. Oct 02 16:49:28 (better: I, too, was scared ...) Oct 02 16:50:06 lol @ my pre looking like a puck now Oct 02 16:50:06 next time use s/// and behold! as infobot corrects you with great win Oct 02 16:50:22 punzada: 3600mAh battery? Oct 02 16:50:28 2600 Oct 02 16:50:31 oh, my inner geek is still paranoid Oct 02 16:50:46 punzada: ah, cool. why not the 3600? Oct 02 16:50:50 tho it would sure make getting things on and off of it much easier Oct 02 16:50:53 gkatsev: you win the prize for today Oct 02 16:50:59 w00t Oct 02 16:51:09 nt4cats: what is it? Oct 02 16:51:15 * Mousey hides Oct 02 16:51:30 It is in /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear script Oct 02 16:51:42 nt4cats: i mean, what is the prize? Oct 02 16:52:00 Does anyone know how to make the messaging application rescan the contacts for their avatar? Oct 02 16:52:10 You get a blind date with Mousey, congrats Oct 02 16:52:25 nt4cats: pass Oct 02 16:52:36 hckyplayer024: perhaps logging off and loggin back on? Oct 02 16:52:39 I never said it'd be a prize you wanted Oct 02 16:52:52 Oh noo its for text messages Oct 02 16:53:36 ah, like synergy stuff from google contacts or w/e? it should automatically sync with places every so often Oct 02 16:53:38 the avatars in contacts never update Oct 02 16:53:39 :S Oct 02 16:53:48 wtf is w/e? Oct 02 16:53:56 Mousey: w/e == whatever Oct 02 16:53:58 I had to webos doctor my phone so I backed up PalmDatabase.db3 (which stores all messages and call logs and such) Oct 02 16:54:02 wow, it is? Oct 02 16:54:05 k Oct 02 16:54:09 hckyplayer024: have you restarted your pre and been sent a text since you added an avatar? Oct 02 16:54:21 Only from one contact Oct 02 16:54:38 do the pics come back as soon as I get a text from that person? Oct 02 16:55:01 Umm.. are we talking about your avatar or a contacts avatar? Oct 02 16:55:12 no my avatar is working fine Oct 02 16:55:20 its my contacts avatar that is just blank Oct 02 16:55:29 And all of your other contacts are blank? only in the messaging app? Oct 02 16:55:30 I just webos doctored my phone Oct 02 16:55:47 and copied the PalmDatabase.db3 file so I could keep my message logs and such Oct 02 16:56:06 it worked, but now all my messages dont have avatars for my contacts in the chat Oct 02 16:56:10 * gkatsev -> lunch Oct 02 16:56:21 even though in the contacts app I have their avatar Oct 02 16:56:56 I'm not sure, but lets say: You are talking with a friend(via sms) who doesn't have an avatar becuase he's not one of your 'facebook friends' later you add this friend as a 'facebook friend' their avatar will not update until you are sent a text by that friend. Oct 02 16:57:10 oh okay Oct 02 16:57:29 maybe I just have to wait until they send me a text Oct 02 16:57:56 is there any way I can just force the messaging app to rescan all the contacts I have chats with and pull the info from the contact app? Oct 02 16:58:05 Yeah, I'd look deeper if there is not avatar after they send you a text Oct 02 16:58:16 I'm unsure hckyplayer024 Oct 02 16:58:29 hmm okay Oct 02 16:58:39 i guess I just have to wait and see then Oct 02 16:59:07 Best of luck... brb. Oct 02 16:59:10 hopefully it will work Oct 02 17:01:44 MLJ, just to get back to you it does update Oct 02 17:01:45 thanks Oct 02 17:03:29 wtf, the update prompted me to update to 1.2 again! Oct 02 17:04:36 it never prompted me to update 1.2 to 1.2 again Oct 02 17:04:47 weird. Oct 02 17:04:47 i updated once and all is happy Oct 02 17:05:07 just ran the update app and its also saying to update Oct 02 17:05:20 somesing wong Oct 02 17:05:58 Robi_: I just got prompted to re-upgrade too, and made the mistake of clicking the "install" button ;) Oct 02 17:08:49 We are not alone, there is a thread on precentral about the multiple updates, but I don't think anyone has any answers. I received the first update, then the larger update TWICE. ignoring was not an option as everytime I put it on the touchstone, it prompted me again. Now it says I'm up to date - again. Oct 02 17:09:16 yeah, I just don't check Oct 02 17:09:21 But I have readt that too Oct 02 17:09:32 This was first reported monday on news feed of PC.net Oct 02 17:09:59 I'm afraid to look Oct 02 17:10:18 I'll wait to see notification online before looking for an update again. ;) Oct 02 17:11:07 No update here. Oct 02 17:11:38 lol Oct 02 17:11:49 I bet PmUpdater checks on its own Oct 02 17:11:53 jbrett: mistake? other than the long wait, anything break? Oct 02 17:11:55 I bet there is a cron for it.. /me is going to look into it Oct 02 17:12:29 * Robi_ got RIFed 2 days ago - woohoo! free at last Oct 02 17:12:52 Robi_: well, nothing "broke", but it was a waste of time, and I had to re-apply all the patches I'd worked through for the first 1.2 update. Oct 02 17:13:13 yeah i haven't done any patches yet ;[ Oct 02 17:13:22 thats exaclty why I suggested a favorites tag in Preware Oct 02 17:13:23 Robi_: dBsooner-work confirmed that there's nothing new in it. No clue whey the updater is prompting to install it. Oct 02 17:13:31 too busy not working Oct 02 17:13:33 bug Oct 02 17:13:42 hopefully palm ppl listen Oct 02 17:13:52 er, s/whey/why/ :) Oct 02 17:13:57 Yeah, I didn't see any version #'s change. Oct 02 17:14:07 However, I didn't go through all 200 packages. Oct 02 17:14:07 ;) Oct 02 17:14:16 cool, thanks for the info fellas Oct 02 17:14:22 I just checked the main ones.. all the com.palm stuff, luna, kernel, etc Oct 02 17:14:49 dBsooner-work: oh, I thought you did the ipkg list_installed on yours, and just diff'd them? Oct 02 17:15:01 so maybe something did change.. Oct 02 17:15:03 hmm Oct 02 17:15:13 ill check agian in a bit Oct 02 17:15:18 send me your pastebit Oct 02 17:15:21 pastebin* Oct 02 17:15:26 although why they'd do a complete update of 242 packages for someting small, I have no clue.. Oct 02 17:15:39 exactly Oct 02 17:15:43 off topic: has anyone created a new flashlight ipk? As I know pregame was using webosinternals public service? Oct 02 17:15:46 that's why I think its just a "biug" Oct 02 17:16:01 MLJ: huh? Oct 02 17:16:08 MLJ: yes Oct 02 17:16:12 yeah, I agree it's likely just a bug. Oct 02 17:16:43 dBsooner-work: http://pastebin.org/32672 Oct 02 17:16:56 dBsooner-work: I can't give you the technical verbiage ... but the security issue that rod found... Oct 02 17:17:00 but, only if you're curious ;) Oct 02 17:17:00 ty jbrett .. give me a bit to get it onto the pre.. Oct 02 17:17:03 Decimation: what is it called? Oct 02 17:17:06 Service - http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/canuck-software/com.pregame.prelease.ipk Oct 02 17:17:06 Flashlight - http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/canuck-software/com.pregame.app.flashlight_0.0.1_all.ipk Oct 02 17:17:15 MLJ: there ya go :P Oct 02 17:17:19 Thx Oct 02 17:17:20 dBsooner-work: no worries. I'm not holding my breath ;) Oct 02 17:17:23 afaik its not a webos-internals service Oct 02 17:17:37 dBsooner-work: if it's easier, you could pastebin your list, and I'll do the diff ;) Oct 02 17:17:52 ok Oct 02 17:17:55 (seeing as how I'm sitting at a comfortable desk, and you're in a work truck ;) Oct 02 17:17:57 oil: the flashlight maker originally used the test webos-internals service with all the security flaws. Oct 02 17:19:13 pregame made it Oct 02 17:19:15 it was his own Oct 02 17:19:26 i dont think it was ever under webos-internals Oct 02 17:19:37 they wouldn't have allowed a servce with such a security flaw under their name Oct 02 17:19:38 i don't think it was either Oct 02 17:20:14 oil: the first test service, was made by webos-internals Oct 02 17:20:23 pregame used it, after it was known to be flawed Oct 02 17:20:32 it was just a test, but nevertheless, webos-internals made. Oct 02 17:20:34 i thought pregame made it Oct 02 17:20:44 or else it wouldn't be com.pregame Oct 02 17:20:49 it would be org.webosinternals Oct 02 17:21:01 http://forums.precentral.net/1829170-post287.html Oct 02 17:21:20 Nope.. thats not the right post... Oct 02 17:21:35 oil: (Note that there used to be an org.webosinternals.services package which also had the same security hole (it was actually based on much the same code as the Prelease service), and it has been withdrawn a number of weeks ago for exactly the same security vulnerability) Oct 02 17:21:47 from the post MLJ just linked to. Oct 02 17:22:04 i coulda swore pregame based it off the webos internals code. Oct 02 17:22:15 looks like it wasnt according to that post Oct 02 17:22:59 Not according to that post... but decimation is correct... rod helped me remove the service at one time... weeks ago Oct 02 17:23:21 and i dont think pregame ever fixed the flaw Oct 02 17:23:22 jason did Oct 02 17:23:27 right, but just because he helped you remove it doesn't mean it was a webos-internals release Oct 02 17:23:35 and packaged it as that standard ipk Oct 02 17:24:51 I just smell like penicillin Oct 02 17:25:25 dBsooner-work: I'm not sure... I do know it was the same issue as AutoCorrect and MyTether Oct 02 17:25:57 * dBsooner-work still has the original mytether Oct 02 17:25:59 hmmm Oct 02 17:26:14 * oil makes awesome new all for dbsooner to run Oct 02 17:26:20 awesome new app* Oct 02 17:26:35 dont worry though, it wont exploit the vulnerability of that service you have on your pre Oct 02 17:26:37 lol Oct 02 17:26:38 honest Oct 02 17:26:48 promise? Oct 02 17:27:08 yeah Oct 02 17:27:11 sure Oct 02 17:27:20 * dBsooner-work goes to the old webos internals page to remove mytether Oct 02 17:27:21 sigh Oct 02 17:27:35 and the original auto correct that you had to just extract.. lol.. no ipk Oct 02 17:27:45 auto correct edit* Oct 02 17:27:48 never worked for me Oct 02 17:27:59 I just edit the file Oct 02 17:28:06 yeah, I never cared Oct 02 17:28:08 I thought I would Oct 02 17:28:10 but then didn't. Oct 02 17:28:32 for me it is pretty cool I have setup shortcuts which become pretty useful Oct 02 17:28:59 lol Oct 02 17:29:10 yccttoamc Oct 02 17:29:11 now p2snippets does what I want Oct 02 17:29:17 blah Oct 02 17:29:30 I like autocorrect edit... perhaps just becuase i hate texts like "i'll c u in a bit' Oct 02 17:30:00 lol Oct 02 17:30:05 it would bne "ill c u in a bit" Oct 02 17:30:20 s/bne/be/ Oct 02 17:30:21 dBsooner-work meant: it would be "ill c u in a bit" Oct 02 17:30:59 yeh... none the less I don't have an updated version for that either.... and have reverted to editing the file. Oct 02 17:31:57 think you could do it in terminal, it is a big file though. (well, if you have used a big file) Oct 02 17:33:20 Well I can't find the posts related to the flashlight app but here is the one for MyTether http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/191213-my-tether-tether-over-wifi-usb-bt-43.html#post1758954 Oct 02 17:33:26 the threads are funny lately. someone asked (I think) why preware errored out when he tried to remove it, or the package manager service I think. but someone already told him he had to use woqi Oct 02 17:33:53 funny or maddening? Oct 02 17:34:09 I say they are funny to help me deal Oct 02 17:37:24 haha whatever works Oct 02 17:37:59 it is actually amazing how much you can post something and it is just scrolled right over, and then asked about. Oct 02 17:38:01 It gets annoying when someoen is all "themes broke my phone!!!ONE!!" when they didnt follow directions Oct 02 17:38:53 heh, yeah Oct 02 17:40:22 hey AnOutsider: themes borked by phone!@!!!@! HALP!!@!!!!! Oct 02 17:40:42 is you rooted!?!# Oct 02 17:40:44 pwnt Oct 02 17:40:53 lol Oct 02 17:41:09 heh, where is the one yesterday that had like 12 posts in a row Oct 02 17:41:21 oil, ill fix your phone as soon as you make a ps3 friends app Oct 02 17:41:23 chop chop Oct 02 17:41:32 ill just doctor it Oct 02 17:41:48 oh, i wasnt aware you were able to use your head Oct 02 17:41:56 i mean Oct 02 17:42:00 ill just doctor it? Oct 02 17:44:22 haha Oct 02 17:44:31 damn I should have bookmarked that thread, I'll never find it/can't remember what topic it was... Oct 02 17:48:55 hey AnOutsider!!! One of your damn themes from your site broke my damn phone! Like I can't do a damn thing with my phone now! Oct 02 17:51:57 why do you act surprised, he specifically did that to your phone, and your phone only, because he doesn't like you. Oct 02 17:54:40 i don't like you either Oct 02 17:55:11 i'm wanted in 12 systems Oct 02 17:55:11 haha, it's a conspiracy! Oct 02 17:55:15 egaudet: im thinking we need an autopatcher thread Oct 02 17:55:35 oil: there technically is one Oct 02 17:55:44 oil: the one I started Oct 02 17:55:52 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/206445-app-request-stfu.html lol Oct 02 17:55:54 but its more so "OFFICIAL: 1.2.0 patches Oct 02 17:56:13 yeah, im talking one for the autopatch feed specifically Oct 02 17:56:53 oil: egaudet and I discussed that. We wanted to start that thread whenever the autopatch feed goes beta Oct 02 17:57:12 which will be like.. tonight or tomorrow.. whenever I get all the patches in git updated to 1.2 with proper descripts Oct 02 17:57:39 its just been flooding the preware thread Oct 02 17:57:45 when it all really doesn't matter to preware Oct 02 17:57:45 i know Oct 02 17:57:47 its just a feed Oct 02 17:57:50 its flooding the official thread as well Oct 02 18:00:01 yay demand! Oct 02 18:01:05 its not really a good thing Oct 02 18:01:08 lol Oct 02 18:01:10 patches are nasty Oct 02 18:01:12 and cause problems Oct 02 18:01:22 no oil, themes do! Oct 02 18:01:32 themes are basically patches Oct 02 18:01:35 they edit files Oct 02 18:01:53 I'm making a funny to the comments above. ;) Oct 02 18:02:05 jbrett: http://webosinternals.pastebin.com/d7db660c2 Oct 02 18:03:17 release the cracken! Oct 02 18:04:47 so org.webos.internals v0.4 is the only thing I need to remove? Oct 02 18:05:06 org.webosinternals.services v0.4 Oct 02 18:05:20 mytether? Oct 02 18:06:04 aye Oct 02 18:06:07 v1.2.1 is ther etoo Oct 02 18:06:36 ipkg remove org.webosinternals.services,net.aonic.my-tether Oct 02 18:06:41 doh! Oct 02 18:06:43 wrong window Oct 02 18:06:46 * Mousey runs that Oct 02 18:07:00 wouldn't it be ipkg -o /var remove? Oct 02 18:07:01 lol Oct 02 18:07:18 no, they are not installed in offline root for some reason Oct 02 18:07:24 at least mine aren't Oct 02 18:07:41 MLJ, rebooting into devmode just so I can get a nice simple theme ;) Oct 02 18:07:49 just remove it completely every instance of it... then install his updated free version... I don't believe it has any problems. Oct 02 18:07:50 and I hate doing that Oct 02 18:08:03 weird, mine's in /var Oct 02 18:08:13 hmagoo: welcome... my very small only contribution. Oct 02 18:11:19 I have a question. Since the Call Duration in Log is not really a patch, its not removed with EPR. After the update, Preware isn't aware its still there. Should it be run again to keep Preware aware its there? Is that a problem? or doesn't it matter? Oct 02 18:11:40 it doesn't matter Oct 02 18:11:47 I would run it again Oct 02 18:12:05 k, thanks. Oct 02 18:12:11 I haven't looked at the prerm script for it.. it MIGHT set that to off Oct 02 18:13:08 is a Luna restart sufficient or does that take a restart? Oct 02 18:13:19 luna restart is good Oct 02 18:13:23 luna rescan is not Oct 02 18:13:30 it reinstalled without a problem Oct 02 18:13:36 yeah, i know it would Oct 02 18:13:38 I dont know the difference between the 2 Oct 02 18:13:40 it just sets the setting in the db Oct 02 18:13:58 luna rescaan takes about 2 seconds Oct 02 18:14:05 luna restart takes about 30 Oct 02 18:14:13 but when is that applicable vs a restart? Oct 02 18:14:18 restart stops and starts Oct 02 18:14:26 rescan just does a SIGREFRESH Oct 02 18:14:45 so can that be run for most scripts instead of a restart Oct 02 18:14:48 i usually just restart Oct 02 18:14:54 ok Oct 02 18:15:12 some work with a rescan, but most don't. Oct 02 18:21:53 Well, 1.2 definitely restarts quicker...which is good. I know this because I restarted it to see if it would fix my new conversation button in messaging...which is bad. (I click the bottom left icon and it does jack shit) Oct 02 18:22:20 I reflashed my phone before 1.2 upgrade and haven't really done anything to it besides preware and some apps. Oct 02 18:22:39 i did just install TXT Manager...lets see if that is the culprit. Oct 02 18:23:09 egaudet, dBsooner-work: when I tried the newer battery percent in header patch, when fully charged I got 10 instead of 100. went back to the one with icon, because I like it better anyways. Oct 02 18:24:32 nope...uninstalling txt manager and restarting luna did not fix it... Oct 02 18:24:33 grrrrr. Oct 02 18:27:27 ment99: what did you expect txt manager to fix or break? :) Oct 02 18:32:21 i noticed the not being able to start a new message today...last hing I rmember doing was installing txt manager this morning... Oct 02 18:32:27 thought maybe it broke something. Oct 02 18:32:52 AND txt manager doesn't seem to work... Oct 02 18:33:14 yey finally i was able to update my prl settings before i was getting error and that I should contact sprint Oct 02 18:33:21 Unless it still plays the default sound as well as the one you select... Oct 02 18:33:54 Oh fuck it...why not re-flash the phone again. Better now than later. Oct 02 18:34:11 i hate reflashing the phone Oct 02 18:34:14 en0x: is that always a good thing to do? Oct 02 18:34:23 prl Oct 02 18:34:27 because I lose my conversations Oct 02 18:34:30 hmagoo: yes Oct 02 18:34:37 its a roaming list Oct 02 18:34:43 should we do that in a certain location? Oct 02 18:34:56 i reflashed less than 2 days ago so all I am really losing is a bunch of twitter forwards Oct 02 18:34:56 hmagoo: no Oct 02 18:35:10 hmagoo: u can update it anywhere Oct 02 18:35:20 ok Oct 02 18:35:51 The only brightside to flashing the phone is when i get to enter the Konami code to start development mode... Oct 02 18:35:54 I get full service inside my house, on roam only ;) Oct 02 18:36:18 3 more times and I am sure the specialness will wear off. Oct 02 18:36:41 ment99: no need for konami code in 1.2 :P you can use webos20090606 i believe Oct 02 18:37:19 but...it's....the...konami code. Oct 02 18:37:34 yep Oct 02 18:37:37 i found that in 1.1 Oct 02 18:37:42 but its shorter :p Oct 02 18:38:01 MLJ: thanks! Oct 02 18:38:17 np Oct 02 18:38:21 that shit is burned into my memory from Contra....well, i did B, A, **SELECT**, START to go to 2 players because i played with my brother Oct 02 18:38:38 i did 2 players too Oct 02 18:38:48 unless i am by a computer, wont remember the shorter way Oct 02 18:39:00 how can you forget it? Oct 02 18:39:03 its the day the pre launched Oct 02 18:39:07 webos20090606 Oct 02 18:39:30 there's one up there? Oct 02 18:39:53 i think hmagoo is talking to himself again Oct 02 18:40:23 dbs: it is, but I cant remember that. Oct 02 18:40:25 they launched a pre?????!! Oct 02 18:40:40 oh yeah Oct 02 18:40:40 looks like I'll be under the hood Oct 02 18:40:41 they did Oct 02 18:40:49 y? Oct 02 18:40:57 and whoa.. hey there egaudet .. lol Oct 02 18:41:03 hi Oct 02 18:41:06 and y? Oct 02 18:41:07 what have I missed Oct 02 18:41:16 nada Oct 02 18:41:26 about 80 posts in the 1.2.0 thread Oct 02 18:41:32 So...when flashing the phone, it tells me to connect my phone via USB. It is but webOS Doctor doesnt recognize. Do I need to select something other than JUST CHARGE? Oct 02 18:41:37 and oil bitching at us to make a autopatch thread Oct 02 18:41:46 I will after work Oct 02 18:41:48 and I told him we would when it goes beta toniht or tomorrow Oct 02 18:41:51 ment99: just charge should be fine Oct 02 18:41:58 i wanted to get all the patches fixed first Oct 02 18:42:07 in the homebrew forum Oct 02 18:42:14 ment99: if you have issues still try webos internals webpage it tells how to troubleshoot it Oct 02 18:42:20 well fuck... Oct 02 18:42:21 huh? Oct 02 18:42:21 ment99: boot it holding volume up then plug it in Oct 02 18:42:25 Thanks en0x Oct 02 18:42:46 chrisa: restart it doing that? Oct 02 18:43:10 Just pull the battery, put it back in, then boot while holding volume up Oct 02 18:43:19 egaudet: yeah, ew should post it in the homebrew forum, but like I said, I think it should be veta first Oct 02 18:43:28 otherwise we'll have hundreds of "this don't work" crap Oct 02 18:43:34 It's going beta after work Oct 02 18:43:36 what is it Oct 02 18:43:36 ? Oct 02 18:43:38 no Oct 02 18:43:40 its not Oct 02 18:43:42 there's enough that work Oct 02 18:43:44 * atlanta doesnt feel like scrollin up Oct 02 18:43:45 no Oct 02 18:43:47 there aren't Oct 02 18:43:52 Jason's is releeasing his QI tonight Oct 02 18:43:53 fix their descripts first Oct 02 18:43:55 ;) Oct 02 18:44:03 oh ok Oct 02 18:44:10 egaudet: read my post in the 1.2.0 thread Oct 02 18:44:15 there some things in there I thought of Oct 02 18:44:16 with the "mods" panel that uses autopatch feed I think underneath Oct 02 18:44:43 did you tell him to not call them "tweaks"? Oct 02 18:45:05 No I didn't tell him anything about how he should do his app Oct 02 18:45:23 ol Oct 02 18:45:25 hey all - challenge here. 1.2 upgrade completed fine, then about 36 hrs later I was using the app store. Tried an install, install failed, now I'm in the "Signed Out" reboot loop. I can use ## to get into the dialer, and can dial by contact name. Phone is on net and responds to pings, but not sftp/ssh/ftp/telnet. Plugging in to USB brings up the "Found New Hardware Wizard", and novacom doesn't see the Pre. Oct 02 18:45:26 i was kidding Oct 02 18:45:26 http://twitpic.com/jy062 Oct 02 18:45:29 sqlite> select * from com_palm_pim_Message; Oct 02 18:45:31 nice Oct 02 18:45:38 YAYY, GOT 3 RED LIGHTS ON MY 360, GREAT. Oct 02 18:45:42 now time to dump it Oct 02 18:45:49 Decimation__, better than 2 or 4 Oct 02 18:46:04 has anyone found a way to get into the phone when this happens? If I can just connect, I can start pulling off databases, photos, before I do the erase all data... Oct 02 18:46:06 this com_palm_pim_message keeps emails too Oct 02 18:46:07 o_X Oct 02 18:46:17 how doies his disable all mods work? Oct 02 18:46:26 Is there a list of known/unknown patches that do/don't work with 1.2? Oct 02 18:46:26 ROFL, I've had it!! Oct 02 18:46:43 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/200660-preware-32.html#post1941523 Oct 02 18:46:48 dBsooner-work, i don't know Oct 02 18:47:21 0|0|1253482519019|SMS|||||2|0|||0|0|0|||||||||0|0|||0||||||0||0||1253482505000||Created event: @ 5:35pm (Pawel Kilian)|5|0||||||0|9895604649985|15393162789902|14|478126|||||||||||||||||||||| Oct 02 18:47:30 this is a one ugly bitch Oct 02 18:48:19 ew Oct 02 18:48:54 hmmm Oct 02 18:48:54 phone startup took 2 minutes opposed to 3 on 1.1 Oct 02 18:49:51 as an alternative (this may be a dumb question) can anyone point me to a USB driver to use? The first time around, the Pre just acted like a normal usb drive, from what I can remember, but novacom can't even connect now. Oct 02 18:50:33 search for USBnet installation on the forum Oct 02 18:50:50 ok - I'll give that a shot... Oct 02 18:51:24 egaudet: this is the one I was referring to: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/206249-official-1-2-0-patches-list-9.html#post1940974 Oct 02 18:51:26 anyone out there with experience with this ugly little reset loop and a non "erase everything" solution, I'd love to hear from! if I come up with one I'll post... Oct 02 18:52:06 timofalltrades: become very religious. :D Oct 02 18:52:12 God I hate that I cant open firefox while adobe is updating its products Oct 02 18:52:17 taking forever and shit Oct 02 18:53:32 http://sqliteadmin.orbmu2k.de/ this is nice Oct 02 18:54:11 timofalltrades: I had that happen last time I used WebOSDoc...The install seemed to go fine but it kept rebooting a fresh install. I seem to recall yanking the battery....and that worked for me Oct 02 18:54:14 not sure why Oct 02 18:54:19 * en0x is going back to play with palm database Oct 02 18:54:26 windows! Oct 02 18:54:41 sucks! Oct 02 18:55:01 my bad, thought I was at the basketball game, after they announce the player's name Oct 02 18:55:54 * hmagoo agrees Oct 02 18:57:47 egaudet's port of halo 1 to the pre is waaay behind schedule... Oct 02 18:58:04 "camcorder for the Pre" Oct 02 18:58:05 It's kinda sad actually... Oct 02 18:58:27 I mean seriously, how long can it possibly take for someone to port some stupid xbox game to the pre, like 5 seconds? Oct 02 18:58:43 but egaudet is taking his sweet time Oct 02 18:58:46 naviang - I'll give that a shot... Oct 02 18:59:10 w/e though, i'll be back once he releases the game Oct 02 18:59:39 oil ping Oct 02 19:00:53 why hasn't made an silly apps like a bowl of water or fish or something? Oct 02 19:01:01 naviang - nope, no dice. worth trying though... Oct 02 19:01:06 s/made/anyone made/ Oct 02 19:01:07 hmagoo meant: why hasn't anyone made an silly apps like a bowl of water or fish or something? Oct 02 19:01:19 s/an/any/ Oct 02 19:01:19 hmagoo meant: why hasn't made any silly apps like a bowl of water or fish or something? Oct 02 19:01:22 lol Oct 02 19:01:27 god Oct 02 19:01:48 There are better projects to be working on... probably. Oct 02 19:02:03 mm, yes, like generic jabber server support! Oct 02 19:02:04 fuck no, then a bowl of water you can spill? Oct 02 19:02:08 * Mousey begs like the homeless Oct 02 19:02:15 dB: hah, just caught the religious bit. nice. Oct 02 19:02:16 s/then/than/ Oct 02 19:02:17 hmagoo meant: fuck no, than a bowl of water you can spill? Oct 02 19:03:14 holding up during reboot brought up the huge USB logo, but WebOS Doc still doesn't see the Pre. I will try to restart my computer I guess. Any other suggestions? (I have taken the battery out and put it back in as well) Oct 02 19:05:07 ment99: define "up"? it sounds like we may be battling the same thing? Oct 02 19:05:46 how about dice? would be cool to make the pre's screen like a cup of dice. Oct 02 19:05:58 i held up on the volume rocker after turning the Pre on to enter "bootloader recovery mode" Oct 02 19:06:09 what what? Oct 02 19:06:11 ooh, that sounds useful Oct 02 19:06:27 I'm done with Aunt Minnie Oct 02 19:06:35 egaudet: i know Oct 02 19:07:13 I'm trying to get out of the "Signed Out, Just Restart/Erase All" loop... this thing still has a pulse, I want to get my data out before shooting it... Oct 02 19:07:16 wait till the pre goes global, you won't know what to call her Oct 02 19:08:43 egaudet: what's wrong? Oct 02 19:09:19 I'm just going to stop reading precentral forums Oct 02 19:09:24 what have people been using as a good way to deliver a pre-canned dataset that they'd like to have in SQL for a pre app? Oct 02 19:09:50 I almost posted something mean, but just decided to post a little joke. Oct 02 19:11:23 hmm Oct 02 19:11:26 echo ".mode insert" > cookies; sqlite3 -init cookies /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3 'select * from com_palm_pim_Message' >messages.sql;rm cookies Oct 02 19:11:42 yap we are dumping all messages and emails from database to a file Oct 02 19:14:09 Im going to be the dumb one here, but where did the term "Aunt Minnie" come from? Oct 02 19:14:23 And then, which pc.net post got under your skin this time egaudet? Oct 02 19:16:46 none in particular I just waste way too much time in there trying to educate/help people. Oct 02 19:17:20 I'm of better use under the hood Oct 02 19:18:51 dBsooner-work: esr Oct 02 19:19:14 lovely netweather we're having today Oct 02 19:19:26 qwll this is interesting Oct 02 19:19:35 s/qwll/well Oct 02 19:20:13 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1941794&posted=1#post1941792 Oct 02 19:20:43 THe term Aunt Minnie came to the webOS community from me. Oct 02 19:20:44 if anyone can find a single record as a rosetta stone between 1.1 and 1.2 databases, the conversion query should be cake to write... Oct 02 19:20:46 haha just walk away Oct 02 19:20:49 so noto nubs Oct 02 19:21:33 and in my case, it came from our in-house term for noobs who are well intentioned, and sweet but dumb as a post. Oct 02 19:22:16 Aunt Minnie is MUCH shorter to say than that. And it somehow, culturally, SOUNDS like a sweet well meaning aunt who is somewhat uncertain if she wants to be touching something called a mouse. Oct 02 19:22:25 egaudet: meh Oct 02 19:23:06 hmm Oct 02 19:23:08 and dBsooner-work one of the substantial goals of Preware was to be Aunt Minnie safe. Oct 02 19:24:23 OSK is much tougher to accomplish that for, but Preware's INITIAL DESIGN SPEC was developed using a table full of women aged 50 to 82, who had never previously run a handheld computer of any type. They were, and continue to be my design test focus group. Oct 02 19:25:08 I run various paper prototypes of Pre apps past them, and actual apps running on the device, pretty much every Sat. morning while having "coffee with the girls." :-) Oct 02 19:25:11 they're VERY useful. Oct 02 19:25:32 sure you're not dipping your donut in their coffee? Oct 02 19:26:36 Rick_work, I've had trouble with just getting my apps to be "raging douche proof" but then I don't think there's a fix for that Oct 02 19:27:15 Rick_work: I knew you were having your "focus groups" Oct 02 19:27:21 So that's Aunt Minnie. nice. Oct 02 19:27:26 egaudet alvin319 clearly qualifies for AM status.. Oct 02 19:27:49 and notice how he put "My-avatar.png" Oct 02 19:27:53 that surely won't work Oct 02 19:27:57 yea hehe Oct 02 19:28:15 Windows user for sure Oct 02 19:28:18 well I tell you this egaudet, if you go underground, I follow. Oct 02 19:28:21 gaffo_laptop remember the first rule of software design. No app can be foolproof because fools are so DAMNED CREATIVE. Oct 02 19:28:33 * dBsooner-work puts his foot down as if proving a point. Oct 02 19:28:34 dBsooner-work, pffft I need someone to help AM Oct 02 19:28:49 "1, 2..3.,.." Oct 02 19:28:51 NOT IT! Oct 02 19:28:53 :D Oct 02 19:28:55 nose Oct 02 19:29:21 build a fool-proof app, and the world will deliver a better fool Oct 02 19:29:29 maybe the donate button is ransom! Oct 02 19:29:36 he'll stop if you donate? Oct 02 19:29:40 Want to know the issue here? Oct 02 19:29:47 after literally 25 years of doing front line tech support on a software product _I_ design and write, I still get a call every month or so from someone who says "It doesn't work if I do --- this ----. and the folks in my office stand around in awe asking "why in God's Name would someone do THAT?" Oct 02 19:29:57 Rick_work, specially it seems on cell phones Oct 02 19:30:19 We are trying to get AM to use a device that runs on a platform that is far from Windows and/or AM friendly. Oct 02 19:30:47 Rick_work: ROFL.. you know what it reminds me of? Oct 02 19:31:05 Doctor Doctor it hurts when I do this? Oct 02 19:31:16 well, stop doing it then Oct 02 19:31:21 exactly Oct 02 19:31:21 "See mom.. it hurts when I do THIS!!", is what the kid said to his mom as he was pulling his scabs off his scraped knee. Oct 02 19:31:28 "SO DON"T DO THAT!" Oct 02 19:32:10 as for the platform being am friendly, to an amazing extent it is. Oct 02 19:32:14 precentral should just ban Donate in sigs, sorry if you have one... Oct 02 19:32:23 sweet., rebooting my computer got WebOS Doctor to see my phone again. Oct 02 19:32:40 My focus group ladies were able to pick up the pre and with no more than 3 sentenses of instruction actually get in and select and run programs. Oct 02 19:32:47 The UI is VERY well thought out. Oct 02 19:33:07 Rick_work: aye.. but What the PLATFORM does is creates an evironment for Not-So-Good developers to create something that AM can screw up royally and blame on "Preware installed it!" Oct 02 19:33:38 hmagoo: I don't have one on purpose. Oct 02 19:33:39 oh yeah Oct 02 19:33:42 I don't believe in them. Oct 02 19:33:47 I think some of that is what jwz was complaining about, palm trying to standardize some ui stuff. Oct 02 19:33:57 donate on app homepages is one thing. Donate in SIGS sucks Oct 02 19:34:00 To me its the same as the "tip jar" right in front of the register. Oct 02 19:34:21 If about twelve of us were to suggest that to Dieter at about the same time..... Oct 02 19:34:22 To me.. if I want to donate to someones work, I will ASK THEM where I can donate. Oct 02 19:34:27 I am not going to advertise. Oct 02 19:34:32 um dBsooner-worktip jar at a soup kitchen Oct 02 19:34:38 lol Oct 02 19:34:44 yeah that too Oct 02 19:34:51 or invite everyone for a bbq, and put a tip jar out Oct 02 19:35:03 no.. tip-jar at the volunteer hair cutter place Oct 02 19:35:18 hmagoo that'scalled a rent-party. Good solid social tradition behind that. Oct 02 19:35:33 where the guy cutting hair has no idea what he is doing or how to do it, but yet He cut your hair (albeit badly) and wants a tip. Oct 02 19:35:35 well, it was a bad example Oct 02 19:35:38 not from experience Oct 02 19:36:02 and what if he's been a voluteer there for 20 years, and is skilled and professional, and polite and a nice guy Oct 02 19:36:35 egaudet: did you read my ideas about what to do when patches are renamed? Oct 02 19:36:56 asdl;fjlaksdfjas Oct 02 19:37:15 we're better off not making comparisons, bottom line is on a community forum it is a misleading example. Oct 02 19:37:20 I just got a PM on pc.net that says, "I would love to be able to apply these patches, but I have no idea where this "preware" is.. I have looked everywhere. Where can I get it?" Oct 02 19:37:22 So..... I've been busy. What's the plan for coordinating patches? A patch installation DB on the pre that checks off which ones are one and checks for conflicts? Oct 02 19:37:36 dBsooner-work wow Oct 02 19:37:54 how do I repsond to that? Oct 02 19:38:00 Oh yeah.. Im not going to. Oct 02 19:38:07 because I would be very mean. Oct 02 19:38:13 yeah, someone asked in preware, if there is a list of 1.2 approved patches anywhere. Oct 02 19:38:16 dBsooner-work what's his username. Oct 02 19:38:21 and my next message from that person would be "This broke my phone." Oct 02 19:38:24 im not going there. Oct 02 19:38:38 nolaarmadillo Oct 02 19:39:02 dBsooner-work: thx for the install list -- as suspected, no new versions of anything. Oct 02 19:39:12 I'm going to register a PreCentral username "teacherteacher" Oct 02 19:39:26 ha Oct 02 19:39:33 hmagoo the problem with forums is that they SCROLL. Oct 02 19:39:48 Forums sUCK for finding informaiton. That's why I KEEP refering people to the wiki. Oct 02 19:40:40 S.E.A.R.C.H Oct 02 19:40:46 heh Rick_work, but one of the first threads on the webosdevelopment forum is about 1.2 official patches. Oct 02 19:42:14 it would never happen because a site like pc.net depends on userbase size to generate revenue (advertising sales, clickthroughs, etc), but there should be a "Demerit" system Oct 02 19:42:25 I would so have people muted Oct 02 19:43:57 I bcc'ed you..... Oct 02 19:45:01 thank you rick Oct 02 19:45:12 That is MUCH nicer than I would have put it Oct 02 19:45:55 teacherteacher Oct 02 19:45:58 I mean, don't get me wrong, I want Preware to be top shiznet (which it is), but I am not going to throw a tiger into the cage of rabbits Oct 02 19:46:02 Rick_work, actually it turned out to be very simple patch management system Oct 02 19:46:07 Does that make ense? Oct 02 19:46:15 ok i'm done playing with sqlite3 for today Oct 02 19:46:18 s/ense/sense/ Oct 02 19:46:18 dBsooner-work meant: Does that make sense? Oct 02 19:46:26 i created a little wiki on it Oct 02 19:46:37 en0x can you answer a pair of tiny sqlite3 questions? Oct 02 19:46:53 i am not going to send you preware guru's a user that I know is just going to become a liability/problem maker. Oct 02 19:46:53 test if the patch can apply with dry-run, and then apply. Save some package/file's installed/touched information in /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches so that EPR can use it to recover backups in the event of weird situations and to remoeve all patches Oct 02 19:47:00 Rick_work: i'm learning sqlite too :) hehe Oct 02 19:47:10 ok Oct 02 19:47:31 but from what i see is pretty similar to mysql Oct 02 19:47:41 Except that all the columns are text Oct 02 19:47:51 en0x is there a way to entirely drop a DATABASE, not just table by table, and 2) is full-text-search compiled into the sqlite3.6 on the Pre? Oct 02 19:47:52 ask in #sqlite people there are helpful Oct 02 19:48:17 en0x did you do your work on OUR wiki or somewhere else? Oct 02 19:49:09 Rick_work: drop database TEMP; Oct 02 19:49:29 Rick_work: i dont know about full text Oct 02 19:49:50 and yes i put the stuff about dumping messages on OUR wiki Oct 02 19:50:15 I don't think you can drop the whole database, because the database is the file and the file is managed by webkit Oct 02 19:51:19 think so? Oct 02 19:51:27 there must be a way to drop the database Oct 02 19:51:48 And there is no DROP DATABASE in the sqlite syntax: http://www.sqlite.org/lang.html Oct 02 19:52:17 Really, there is no "database" in the MySQL sense. There's a file that stores all the tables, cols, rows. Oct 02 19:52:55 well you can eighter drop all tables or one by one Oct 02 19:55:14 do you have to install Package Manager Service for Preware to work? Oct 02 19:55:58 yes Oct 02 19:56:13 lmorchard: what about if there is no table only view? Oct 02 19:56:23 ment99: webosinternals.org Oct 02 19:56:23 drop view name; Oct 02 19:57:14 I don't think I know what you mean Oct 02 19:57:34 nvm i found the answer Oct 02 19:58:13 hmagoo: thanks, I found the info now. Oct 02 19:58:19 ok time to go home Oct 02 19:58:21 laterz Oct 02 20:02:36 * sugardave would really like to crack the pre-populated db problem. Oct 02 20:03:16 lol.. hmagoo is that your new preformated response? Oct 02 20:03:23 "webosinternals.org" Oct 02 20:08:14 sugardave you would sure have a bunch of friends if you did that. Oct 02 20:08:24 sugardave the solution isn't that hard in theory. Oct 02 20:08:31 Rick_work: I bet :D Oct 02 20:08:50 if only there was PHP in webOS....too easy Oct 02 20:08:56 You write something that parses the system sqlite table, finds the app's tables and then swaps in the file of the pre-populated one for the weirdly named file that the system creates. Oct 02 20:09:03 I've done it by hand...... Oct 02 20:09:04 yes Oct 02 20:09:09 I knew it would work Oct 02 20:09:12 just hadn't tried it yet Oct 02 20:09:46 sugardave it _can_ be done all in shell scripts Oct 02 20:10:07 okay, so the question is how do I run shell scripts in Mojo? can't seem to find that one... Oct 02 20:10:38 ahhh, well, of course, you can't without writing a plugin or service to do tat for you... any more than preware could. Oct 02 20:10:52 that's a killer Oct 02 20:10:56 Palm doesn't love that, I think Oct 02 20:11:08 But.... since Preware CAN run a post-install script, preware could include moving the .db file from the ipk into /media/internal Oct 02 20:11:38 there's absolutely no getting around it. Palm hasn't exposed enough binary to do it. You -can not- do it without "advanced home brew" Oct 02 20:11:41 period Oct 02 20:11:47 sucks Oct 02 20:11:53 nodnod Oct 02 20:11:54 although. Oct 02 20:11:57 honestly Oct 02 20:12:00 and sincerely Oct 02 20:12:03 I mean, I don't need it for my stuff yet...but still a fun project Oct 02 20:12:06 allow me to ask a question. Oct 02 20:12:30 shoot Oct 02 20:12:32 assume you wanted to include a 10 meg db in your ipk Oct 02 20:12:42 now, a customer has to have an internet connection to download the 10 meg. Oct 02 20:13:04 right, and the space to have it Oct 02 20:13:11 so, what's the big freaking difference between them downloding it as part of the IPK and downloading it on first runof the the program? Oct 02 20:13:28 it makes the INSTALL much much shorter. Oct 02 20:13:35 and the /var space smaller Oct 02 20:13:37 nothing, really....and that's exactly how I would do it if I need to Oct 02 20:13:47 and your data downlos by ajax into the ext:db Oct 02 20:13:54 big-o deal-o Oct 02 20:14:05 I keep reading on the palm forums about guys for whom this is a killer Oct 02 20:14:11 and I _do not understand_ why. Oct 02 20:14:43 We've been experimenting with it. Oct 02 20:14:52 they might be like me....didn't have the first clue about how to actually transfer JSON from their web server and get that data in the db Oct 02 20:14:53 but, I persevered Oct 02 20:14:53 and now I can do it :D Oct 02 20:15:16 ajax a query, get 100 rows into a variable. db.transaction. get next 100 rows. Oct 02 20:15:31 works great, I bet Oct 02 20:15:36 have the on-success of the sql transaction iterate the counter and call itself recursively..... Oct 02 20:15:56 now you've move beyond my realm of knowledge, but theory makes sense Oct 02 20:16:01 no memory problem because we keep using the same variable name, so garbage collection collects it. Oct 02 20:16:15 sugardave it's dirt simple. Same as any other ajax call. Oct 02 20:16:38 I just mean recursion, general...still learning basics of JS atm Oct 02 20:16:44 Look. assume you want to make five ajax calls from a server... and you can not do all five at once, you have to do them in a specific order...... Oct 02 20:16:51 right Oct 02 20:17:08 so, you set up your commands in an array. x[0] through x[4] ok? Oct 02 20:17:17 then you say x=0 Oct 02 20:17:22 yeah Oct 02 20:17:56 sorry Oct 02 20:17:57 then you say i = 0 Oct 02 20:18:01 :D Oct 02 20:18:20 0[0], 0[1] hehehe Oct 02 20:18:46 and have a new function a() {ajax request(x[i], onsuccess: function() {i = i + 1, a(i) , onfail: something} Oct 02 20:18:48 and so Oct 02 20:19:06 it's the whole getting executeSql to recursively call itself Oct 02 20:19:10 it does the first request, and if that succeeds, calls ITSELF with the next I and does the next request.... Oct 02 20:19:12 that I'm lost on Oct 02 20:19:12 yep Oct 02 20:19:49 but dave, it has an onsuccess and an onfail. Oct 02 20:20:00 right Oct 02 20:20:18 oh...onsuccess = this(i)? Oct 02 20:20:19 so if it succeeds, increment your counter. If the counter < limit, call itself if counter > limit call out to post-processing routing. Oct 02 20:20:48 oh wait Oct 02 20:20:54 I'm making this too hard Oct 02 20:21:00 onsuccess: function() { i++; if (i < limit) {call itslef) else {call out} Oct 02 20:21:16 onsuccess checks counter, then calls the containing transaction function? Oct 02 20:21:22 yep Oct 02 20:21:26 unless counter is over limit Oct 02 20:21:29 right Oct 02 20:21:33 in qhich case it calls out to post processing Oct 02 20:21:43 I think I got it Oct 02 20:21:55 simple simple simle simple Oct 02 20:21:55 and freaking IMPOSSIBLE TO DO in java Oct 02 20:22:00 I -love- javascript Oct 02 20:22:16 I think I'm beginning to enjoy it, too Oct 02 20:22:28 still reading the O'Reilly book...then onto Crawford's Oct 02 20:22:28 js is a VERY expressive language. Oct 02 20:22:40 oh, actually, that's backwards... :-) Oct 02 20:22:44 oh? Oct 02 20:22:45 damn Oct 02 20:22:48 you have the rhino book? Oct 02 20:22:51 yes Oct 02 20:23:05 spend an hour and read crockford. Don't STUDY it. Just read it. Oct 02 20:23:07 like a novel Oct 02 20:23:22 if you don't grasp something skip it Oct 02 20:23:35 you'll come back to it over and over for a long time Oct 02 20:23:44 okay Oct 02 20:23:47 but it will give you the POINT of what you're seeing in the rhino book Oct 02 20:24:03 yeah, MOST of it I have understood so far, so I've got that going for me Oct 02 20:24:21 but now it's in the 'client-side' part, so will be good to crack the Crawford one Oct 02 20:28:41 ~seen rwhitby Oct 02 20:28:46 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (1h 7m 10s) #nslu2-linux (1h 7m 10s), last said: 'so it would be easy to write a service which would hide all the homebrew apps from the palm install api, and then restore them again after you've installed an app from the app catalog ...'. Oct 02 20:30:04 incorrect data Oct 02 20:30:08 that was a netsplit Oct 02 20:30:18 we really havn't seen him in 3 days Oct 02 20:33:02 Isn't he still on vacation...? Oct 02 20:33:12 6 more days Oct 02 20:33:19 did you post an update last night Templarian? Oct 02 20:33:28 Rick_work: no this morning. Oct 02 20:34:20 k Oct 02 20:34:20 it has some basic logging included, it's not as nice as I want it, i'll probably expand it later to keep the connection open while reading the log file. Oct 02 20:36:44 ok Oct 02 20:36:53 so how do I display a log? I have it installed.... Oct 02 20:37:03 "log" Oct 02 20:37:09 for the active project Oct 02 20:37:13 inthe command box? Oct 02 20:37:16 yep Oct 02 20:37:23 clever Oct 02 20:37:54 NICE Oct 02 20:38:09 It appears to trim every time it is called. I'll probably add it to a nice list that can be turned on and off. Oct 02 20:38:26 can I log error or log info? Oct 02 20:38:47 lol... knew i forgot something. Oct 02 20:38:52 you can do info... Oct 02 20:39:01 i forgot about warning and error. Oct 02 20:39:04 "log full" Oct 02 20:39:22 pastebin one with an error and warning Oct 02 20:42:45 what are you guys talking about :/ Oct 02 20:44:32 http://webos.pastebin.com/d2ae1d48f Oct 02 20:45:15 line 20 error Oct 02 20:45:25 line 19 warning Oct 02 20:46:05 Decimation Templarian just included getting the mojo log from /var/log/messages into the IDE for komodo so you don't have to putty into the stupid pre to get the messages Oct 02 20:46:17 nice Oct 02 20:46:31 Rick_work: ahh, very nice. good work Templarian :) Oct 02 20:47:57 Okay guys, im supposed to get my xbox back in 2-3 weeks.. anyone wanna start a bet... i say it takes at least 3 Oct 02 20:49:39 kesne: pingpingping Oct 02 20:59:09 Decimation, you sent it out already Oct 02 20:59:22 just shipped :) Oct 02 20:59:31 10-12 days my bet Oct 02 20:59:51 I'm still waiting on a new dvd to arrive (shipped from china) so i can replace it in my 360 Oct 02 21:00:01 dvd drive * Oct 02 21:13:53 thanks Rick_work got busy with work stuff when i was about to leave there. Oct 02 21:16:34 * sugardave will finally be upgrading the HDD in his PS3 soon. Oct 02 21:23:04 sugardave: do you have the one that can run linux. Oct 02 21:28:27 Templarian: yeah, I've got the original launch console 60 GB model Oct 02 21:28:36 have linux on it, but never really used it much Oct 02 21:29:14 I'm going to be sad if it YLODs on me...but I hear you can still get them from Sony if that's what you have now and it dies Oct 02 21:30:01 That would be awesome if you could get WMC on it. Oct 02 21:30:12 WMC? Oct 02 21:30:19 windows media center. Oct 02 21:30:22 oh Oct 02 21:30:47 as the server? I've been experimenting with tversity on my laptop and streaming to the ps3...but not the other way around Oct 02 21:31:19 I don't think the ps3 has a record feature at all for video so don't even think it would work. Oct 02 21:31:52 I'm not sure...they REALLY locked down the underlying hardware Oct 02 21:32:40 * sugardave has been left behind in the modern media era. Oct 02 21:32:43 :D Oct 02 21:32:49 I read awhile back someone got a usb tv tuner working under linux on ps3 Oct 02 21:32:58 never tried it myself Oct 02 21:33:16 mdklein: interesting....I've been mulling a mythtv setup for a while now.... Oct 02 21:33:16 I want a HTPC, but waiting a year or so till I get any new tech. Oct 02 21:33:19 hmmm Oct 02 21:34:15 my _old_ cable box worked great for mythtv... it was a hd box with firewire out... I've since moved on to directv, which kind of killed my old myth setup... but it was nice while I had it Oct 02 21:34:51 direcTV will probably be forced to follow the cable companies. Oct 02 21:35:23 I think my cable box has firewire out....at least it has a hole for it :D Oct 02 21:35:39 eww firewire. Oct 02 21:36:05 No, the recent stuff makes cable cards possible. Oct 02 21:36:45 alright, new goal Mind Master finances my HTPC/MythTV project :D Oct 02 21:37:18 The new HTPC's are getting cheap it's just affording all the hard drives to fill them. Oct 02 21:37:49 yeah, but I got to build clients and infrastructure for all the rooms with TVs Oct 02 21:38:45 You could get a NAS and tons of small 250 dollar computers that barely can do 1080 without fire. Oct 02 21:40:16 well, I tell you what...I'm going to be impressed if the pay for version of Mind Master gets 1/10th the downloads I got off precentral, so.... Oct 02 21:41:29 Hopefully Microsoft links WMC with their new devices. Oct 02 21:41:58 The new stuggie commercials are insane... you can get one for your dog. Oct 02 21:42:13 omg...that's crazy Oct 02 21:42:19 I want the UT Longhorn one, though Oct 02 21:42:20 :D Oct 02 21:43:12 brb, getting food, but I want one in white with oversized hoodie with holes so I can be comfy and warm. Oct 02 21:59:25 puff been around? Oct 02 22:05:18 i have a question for you guys. i tryed installing the virtual keyboard a couple times and the install froze for like a half hour each time. so i restarted my phone... now it says it is installed but doesnt work and will not let me remove it Oct 02 22:05:24 says there is an error in removing Oct 02 22:05:29 can anyone help Oct 02 22:08:28 akadeno: I'm not the developer... nor can I be sure I can help you... but are you on 1.2.0? Oct 02 22:09:00 i wasnt but finally got tired of this problem so decided to upgrade to 1.2 this morning and it still does it Oct 02 22:09:18 i have tryed the webosrepair utility and it "repaired" a couple files (this was before i updated to 1.2) Oct 02 22:09:24 so you upgraded w/ it half installed? Oct 02 22:09:38 i guess so Oct 02 22:09:45 it wasnt installed and working... yet shows up as installed Oct 02 22:10:00 do you have other patches installed? Oct 02 22:10:30 and i get this error when trying to uninstall "error: no md5sums.patched file!?" Oct 02 22:10:35 no other patches installed Oct 02 22:11:23 Thats a common error, the creator has posted the fix on precentral.net have you seen that post yet? Oct 02 22:11:43 i was looking through it but didnt see where the fix was. Oct 02 22:11:46 going now to look for it Oct 02 22:12:30 Just doctor the damn thing :p Oct 02 22:13:09 does doctor erase my text messages, program and what not? Oct 02 22:13:34 Yes. Oct 02 22:13:34 cause if it leaves everything like that intact and just restores the system files then i will do that if i cant get the fix to work Oct 02 22:13:44 haha nm then Oct 02 22:13:47 im going to try this script Oct 02 22:13:55 novaterm is the same as novacom right? Oct 02 22:14:16 Download the new repair utility by Jason R. then download the the webosdoctor for 1.2.0 then run it... it will replace the correct files so your system is clean of any patched files. Oct 02 22:14:30 then use only Preware to install the VKB and you ought to be fine. Oct 02 22:14:55 possible to get a link to the newest repair utility? Oct 02 22:15:00 s/then run it/then run the Repair utility by Jason R. Oct 02 22:15:09 i just downloaded the new webosdoctor last night Oct 02 22:15:41 http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/homebrew-apps/32698d1254326123-webos-repair-utility-webosrepairutility.jar Oct 02 22:16:08 very nice. thank you Oct 02 22:16:15 im gonna give this a try Oct 02 22:16:34 Good luck. Oct 02 22:22:53 being unemployed is boring, and its only been a day Oct 02 22:23:37 alright MLJ if your still there. it has finished running and didnt restore any files Oct 02 22:23:57 and VKB still shows up in installed patches and still wont let me remove it Oct 02 22:24:10 im gonna try the script now Oct 02 22:25:14 akadeno: what happens when you try to remove it? Oct 02 22:25:40 bananas! Oct 02 22:25:53 apples! Oct 02 22:26:01 it says error 4 "error: no md5sums.patched file!?" Oct 02 22:26:19 mmk Oct 02 22:26:27 its looking for the md5 patch Oct 02 22:26:32 md5sums file i mean Oct 02 22:26:43 is that something i erased by accident? Oct 02 22:26:44 Have you run the EPR? Oct 02 22:26:52 i hope now. ;) Oct 02 22:26:54 egaudet: ping Oct 02 22:27:07 i hope not. that's what i meant. Oct 02 22:27:26 i've been trying to get my application working so i have been messing a bit with my pre. Oct 02 22:27:29 whats the EPR? Oct 02 22:27:42 Emergency patch recovery Oct 02 22:27:58 link if possible? Oct 02 22:28:04 it's in preware Oct 02 22:28:29 ahhh just saw it. going ot give that a try Oct 02 22:33:18 the EPR is in preware? Oct 02 22:34:43 no pong Oct 02 22:35:54 where is the emergency patch recovery? Oct 02 22:35:58 akadeno Yes, go to list everything and type: Emergency it should be the only app listed. Oct 02 22:36:08 i have and nothing popped up Oct 02 22:36:34 i type emergency and nothing shows up Oct 02 22:36:46 do i need to update preware i have v.0.9.1 Oct 02 22:38:39 epr doesn't fix keyboard md5sums Oct 02 22:38:44 keyboard isn't in autopatch yet Oct 02 22:39:03 Oh. Oct 02 22:39:18 ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard Oct 02 22:39:22 should i run the script that does all the rm things for the keyboard than Oct 02 22:39:25 run repair utility if you can't reinstall after that Oct 02 22:39:36 akadeno, no that's old Oct 02 22:39:36 i enter that in novacom right? Oct 02 22:39:40 yea Oct 02 22:39:45 aight let me try that Oct 02 22:41:07 has anyone figured out how to enable the led notifications? Oct 02 22:41:20 has anyone figure out how to disable it? Oct 02 22:41:46 huh? Oct 02 22:42:06 :> there should be a patch up to enable Oct 02 22:42:11 akadeno: you should focus on 1 item at a time.... Oct 02 22:42:18 haha Oct 02 22:44:26 woot, got gitosis working on pym Oct 02 22:45:16 sweeet thanks egaudet that ipkg -o remove thing worked :-D Oct 02 22:45:21 np Oct 02 22:45:46 I have a packaging standards feature/change request! Oct 02 22:46:09 and now i installed VKB again with 1.2 and it works flawlessly Oct 02 22:46:17 well except the stuff that is known not to work Oct 02 22:46:41 now about led notification... has there been a enable scipt for this? Oct 02 22:46:53 UserInput: [{message: "How many? ", envar: MYVAR},...] Oct 02 22:46:58 egaudet: ipkgmgrsrv is pushed Oct 02 22:46:59 fyi Oct 02 22:47:03 sweet Oct 02 22:47:28 pushed where Oct 02 22:47:54 oh i see Oct 02 22:48:59 what's the git url Oct 02 22:49:02 to ;pul Oct 02 22:49:15 working on that :D Oct 02 22:56:13 oh man. led notification is AWSOME! Oct 02 22:56:22 wha? i want some! Oct 02 22:56:26 link! link! Oct 02 22:56:30 hi Oct 02 22:56:42 sorry Oct 02 22:56:58 how are you Oct 02 22:57:00 Open Preware, go to Available Applications > IPKG Install autopatch-feed Restart Preware, then go to Available Patches > Screen Lock Install Enables LED Notifications *Click OK on the prompt warning you about running the script. Once it is installed, reboot your phone, go into Screen & Lock to enable Blink Notifications, and you should be all set! Oct 02 22:57:18 from : http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/205748-really-want-led-notification.html#post1930649 Oct 02 22:57:18 ooo, autopatch FEED!!!! Oct 02 22:57:21 * Mousey huggles akadeno Oct 02 22:57:23 yup Oct 02 22:57:26 lol Oct 02 22:57:30 this kicks major asss Oct 02 22:57:31 wooot Oct 02 22:57:34 lol Oct 02 22:57:44 good thing i got egaudet to make the feed ipk for thazt Oct 02 22:57:54 good thing preyourmind.org can host any type of ipkg :D Oct 02 22:58:06 hugs puffthemagic Oct 02 22:58:09 fail! Oct 02 22:58:10 lol Oct 02 22:58:15 i havent used mirc in forever Oct 02 22:58:35 I guess you heard that question before, but can someone help me unlocking a sprint pre device for that I can use it in wifi mode? Oct 02 22:58:54 oil ping Oct 02 22:59:00 wifi mode? Oct 02 22:59:00 I am from Germany and would like to test the device before the pre is released in Germany Oct 02 22:59:07 if user selects cancel for postinst, package still gets "installed" Oct 02 22:59:09 hahaha ohhh Oct 02 22:59:17 Should this be handled in preware? Oct 02 22:59:17 i mean connect to the internet without service Oct 02 23:00:05 turn wifi on lol Oct 02 23:00:14 doesnt tha twork? Oct 02 23:00:23 * Mousey opens preware, goes to available applications, then ipkg, and intalls the autopatch-feed, restarts preware, then goes to Available Patches, THEN goes under screne lock, installs enables LED notifications.. Mousey goes on to click OK on the prompt warning me abou running the script, and reboots his phone, goes into Screen & Lock to enable Blink Notifications Oct 02 23:00:27 egaudet: yeah that was not supposed to happen like that Oct 02 23:00:41 using a brand new sprint pre results in being confronted with an activation, or not? Oct 02 23:00:51 Mousey: you need to reboot your pre Oct 02 23:00:56 to get led notifications to work Oct 02 23:01:08 at least thats what i've experienced Oct 02 23:01:10 "t, and reboots his phone," Oct 02 23:01:15 and i cannot perform this activation here in germany without service Oct 02 23:01:26 nexave: yeah Oct 02 23:01:30 nexave: tehre are ways around it htough Oct 02 23:01:32 golly, there SURE ARE a LOT of auto-patch feeds Oct 02 23:01:42 Mousey: no there is just 1 feed Oct 02 23:01:48 sorry Oct 02 23:01:57 there are a lot o fpatches Oct 02 23:02:02 How can I skip this activation? Oct 02 23:02:03 yea only one feed Oct 02 23:02:04 hahah Oct 02 23:02:10 s/ch feeds/ches/ Oct 02 23:02:22 if you wanna try out the pre download the SDK and use the emulator Oct 02 23:02:23 :-P Oct 02 23:02:26 nexave: rwhitby im sure amde a page about it on the wiki Oct 02 23:02:30 you just wanna unlock at stolen pre Oct 02 23:02:44 me? Oct 02 23:02:54 nexave: yeah you will need novaterm&novacomd Oct 02 23:02:56 yea download the SDK and run the emulator Oct 02 23:02:59 nexave: you webos dr it Oct 02 23:03:15 haha does webos dr get around activation? Oct 02 23:03:16 and between certain percentages you can use novaterm and touch a file on the userland htat skips activation Oct 02 23:03:18 thats good to know Oct 02 23:03:28 until now I could not succeed in finding a tutorial an webosinternals Oct 02 23:03:38 i love novaterm Oct 02 23:03:47 The system is going down for reboot NOW! Oct 02 23:04:08 * zsoc touches all of his files Oct 02 23:04:10 A friend from the US tried to skip the activation process for me but he said there were problems due to a webos 1.2 update. Is this serious, is there any difference in this skipping process depending on the web os version? Oct 02 23:04:11 Any better way to have customized SMS sounds for different users besides TXT Manager? Oct 02 23:04:30 nexave: it can be done Oct 02 23:04:32 Mousey, er.. that's an *ash thing, nothing to do with novaterm directly Oct 02 23:04:32 so dont worry Oct 02 23:05:00 zsoc: it's a novaterm thing when i can connect to a shell on my phone with it Oct 02 23:05:04 LOVE it Oct 02 23:05:06 ^_^ Oct 02 23:05:09 i just dont know where rwhitby documented it Oct 02 23:05:32 nexave: you might have to wait a few days for rwhitby to get back from vacation Oct 02 23:05:38 so it does not depend on the webos version. It even updates to newer webos versions without a new to unlock again? Oct 02 23:05:47 oh thats bad ;) Oct 02 23:05:55 Mousey, er, your shell IS *ash. What I'm trying to say is, that particular message you were enamored by is related to linux more than novaterm or your pre :) Oct 02 23:06:04 nexave: "some bypass activation" methods are webos version specific Oct 02 23:06:08 nexave: but he has a new way Oct 02 23:06:12 that should be pretty generic Oct 02 23:06:20 i "thought" he was documenting it Oct 02 23:06:22 but idk Oct 02 23:06:23 in a few days the pre is out in germany, we would like to work with the cdma version. In 1 week the gsm pre is out ;) Oct 02 23:06:33 Mousey, in other words, go install linux and be amused by all sorts of similar and wonderful things ;) Oct 02 23:06:38 zsoc: that you. it's obvious that it's a linux message Oct 02 23:06:56 nexave: i would start by getting a webos dr image and novacom Oct 02 23:06:57 i am enamored with novaterm and my phone PRECISELY because it's linux Oct 02 23:07:00 do you know when rwhitby is back? Oct 02 23:07:07 few days i beleive Oct 02 23:07:08 Mousey, oh :) ok then. do it. Oct 02 23:07:16 nexave, he can't get back soon enough D: Oct 02 23:07:27 some people have hardons for him it seems :D Oct 02 23:07:29 * PuffTheMagic hides Oct 02 23:07:38 zsoc: i've been running linux since 1994, and haven't run windows since 1995, it would be more helpful to pedant in another direction Oct 02 23:07:41 HEY PALM REPLIED TO MY EMAILS Oct 02 23:07:43 6 days i think. Oct 02 23:07:45 w00t! Oct 02 23:07:57 * zsoc pedants in ##windows Oct 02 23:08:03 good man Oct 02 23:08:04 Mousey: ++ for long term linux & non-windows users :D Oct 02 23:08:05 ^_^ Oct 02 23:08:11 * Mousey rubs his phone on his crotch Oct 02 23:08:13 Holy crap, this is good Oct 02 23:08:15 this is very very good Oct 02 23:08:18 very very very good. Oct 02 23:08:18 zsoc: when did you send yours in i'm still waiting for an email I sent. Oct 02 23:08:20 ^_^ Oct 02 23:08:21 Mousey++ Oct 02 23:08:27 (i know that doesn't work) Oct 02 23:08:34 Templarian, this is the 4th email reply convo over a months time :P Oct 02 23:08:56 zsoc: jwz is buying Palm stock, good? Oct 02 23:09:03 oh, reading "it seems a previously-activated Sprint Palm Pre cannot be used as a standalone Wi-Fi based device or even as an offline PDA or media player once it ceases to function on the Sprint data network."on palm infocenter Oct 02 23:09:05 Humm Oct 02 23:09:09 does anyone know what the phone radio power patch does? Oct 02 23:09:11 crap i really need to talk to rod. someone give me his cell phone number :P Oct 02 23:09:22 or greg... he should be around :P Oct 02 23:09:34 nexave: what about airplane mode? Oct 02 23:09:43 nexave: ignore that Oct 02 23:09:49 nexave: somone has got around it... its documented somewhere Oct 02 23:09:50 zsoc: oh nvm then, they probably answer them in priority. Oct 02 23:10:06 nexave: listen, get a webos dr image and novacom and ping me when you have that done Oct 02 23:10:06 well, but where Oct 02 23:10:09 * nexave is looking Oct 02 23:10:51 nexave: i recently lost my IRC backlogs but someone here in sure has a linnk to the 1.2 dr image Oct 02 23:10:54 well thanks for your offer to help, puffthemagic. Currently, I am collecting info, the pre is about to arrive on monday Oct 02 23:11:00 egaudet: you no ponged me because you aren't here for AM anymore? Oct 02 23:11:07 nexave: ahh Oct 02 23:11:11 maybe by then i can find the answer Oct 02 23:11:44 so i need to find something called "web os doctor 1.2 image" or something and then, this can be modified using "novacom", right? Oct 02 23:11:52 Puffthemagic, that would be fine ;) Oct 02 23:12:01 lol Oct 02 23:12:18 yay blinking notifications!!!!!! ^__________^ Oct 02 23:12:18 someone just post the damn link to the jar for him Oct 02 23:12:19 :D Oct 02 23:12:47 what jar? Oct 02 23:12:51 webos dr Oct 02 23:12:54 1.1.0 or 1.2 Oct 02 23:12:55 either one Oct 02 23:12:56 hah Oct 02 23:12:58 gonfile.jar Oct 02 23:13:08 hint: GOOOGLE Oct 02 23:13:18 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/203951-webos-quick-install-contd.html Oct 02 23:13:28 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Oct 02 23:13:31 is that 1.2.0 Oct 02 23:13:33 nexave: There a post at Precentral.net: someone had deactivated their pre and was upset they could no longer use it.... then someone posted the documented explanations for how to get around the activation. Oct 02 23:13:34 or 1.1.0 Oct 02 23:13:42 that is one of them Oct 02 23:13:45 :D Oct 02 23:13:51 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/195043-setting-up-novacom-windows-7-easier-method.html Oct 02 23:13:53 * dBsooner-work can't believe Puff did something Oct 02 23:13:55 lmgtfy Oct 02 23:13:59 * dBsooner-work is amazed Oct 02 23:14:00 incase you got 8 Oct 02 23:14:06 lmgtfy Oct 02 23:14:08 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=webos+doctor+1.2 Oct 02 23:14:09 MLJ: great, do you have a link ;) Oct 02 23:14:11 finally Oct 02 23:14:12 yeah Oct 02 23:14:14 dBsooner-work: i do A LOT Oct 02 23:14:17 I LOVE lmgtfy! Oct 02 23:14:17 thank you Oct 02 23:14:22 PuffTheMagic: prove it Oct 02 23:14:28 make me a sammich Oct 02 23:14:31 nexave: Nope... i looked for the past 5 mins and gave up. sorry. Oct 02 23:14:34 im thirsy too Oct 02 23:14:39 what? make your own samwich Oct 02 23:14:56 lol i love that lmgtfy.com Oct 02 23:15:04 dBsooner-work: i dont think i need to prove shit Oct 02 23:15:06 let me google that for you Oct 02 23:15:11 downloading the 200 mb file from puffthemagic now. Is this the webosdoctor tool including an image? Oct 02 23:15:17 PuffTheMagic: Yup. You do. xD Oct 02 23:15:43 nexave: what do you think the world WEBOSDOCTOR in the beginning of that .jar name means? Oct 02 23:15:47 s/world/word/ Oct 02 23:15:47 dBsooner-work meant: nexave: what do you think the word WEBOSDOCTOR in the beginning of that .jar name means? Oct 02 23:15:50 will this do the job or is it too old? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Bypassing_Activation Oct 02 23:15:51 woot Oct 02 23:15:52 http://opensource.palm.com/1.2/index.html Oct 02 23:15:54 1.2 finally Oct 02 23:16:00 nexave: no Oct 02 23:16:03 that is the "old" way Oct 02 23:16:05 i beleive Oct 02 23:16:09 PuffTheMagic: headers? Oct 02 23:16:10 nexave: you might be able to make that work Oct 02 23:16:21 but there is a significantly easier way Oct 02 23:16:22 awesome! libraries! Oct 02 23:16:25 dBsooner-work, so I'm announcing now Oct 02 23:16:45 No! Oct 02 23:16:45 I am not home yet Oct 02 23:16:45 lol Oct 02 23:16:46 please wait? Oct 02 23:16:49 I want to be post 2 Oct 02 23:17:23 i never noticed how much Ghandi's head resembled the letter G Oct 02 23:17:26 its 1815, i will be off within 45 Oct 02 23:17:36 lol Oct 02 23:17:38 palms site ifails Oct 02 23:17:44 all the links give 404's Oct 02 23:17:50 XD Oct 02 23:17:57 my wife is about a smart one Oct 02 23:18:04 * nexave is looking for this easier method Oct 02 23:18:15 nexave: im telling you... its not there Oct 02 23:18:21 or it would be in recent changes on the wiki Oct 02 23:18:26 she sends me a text: Please start locking the front door. I don't want our stuff stolen. Oct 02 23:18:26 my reply: find your keyts so I can have mine back and I will. Oct 02 23:18:38 PuffTheMagic: You found Aunt Minnie lately? Oct 02 23:18:55 I just installed the 1.2 update this morning and began having a mandatory PIN so I edited the /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers/pin-assistant.js so every button means "success!" Oct 02 23:19:03 dBsooner-work, it's "sudo make me a sandwich" Oct 02 23:19:09 you mean it has not been documented somewhere on the web? Oct 02 23:19:17 you said it has been...!? Oct 02 23:19:36 nexave: i "though" he was documenting it, but maybe he only told us in the secret channel Oct 02 23:19:52 nexave: he just got his pre befor ehe went on vacation Oct 02 23:20:21 nexave: i thought he posed some links where he was documenting it Oct 02 23:20:26 but it could have been something else Oct 02 23:21:40 nexave: i have all my backlogs in a sqlite db Oct 02 23:21:49 so i might be ableto find the answer it in later this weekend Oct 02 23:22:50 nexave: these are the 2 articles I was refering too: I can't confirm if either work... I'm almost certian Puff just said the first is out dated : http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/199548-got-palm-pre-dont-have-sprint-now-what.html or http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/203832-bypassing-sprint-activation.htm Oct 02 23:23:15 MLJ: anything that requires hacking the jar is outdated Oct 02 23:23:38 noted. thx. Oct 02 23:24:05 i am 99.9% sure you can bypass activaton by using novaterm to touch a file between X% and Y% durring the webos doctoring Oct 02 23:24:15 thats lol Oct 02 23:24:17 but i idndnt pay that much attention to the details sinc eim on a sprint plan :D Oct 02 23:24:56 ok i see Oct 02 23:26:12 Honestly, should we really be talkinbg about bypassing activation/ Oct 02 23:26:18 you can probably do it by extacting the image and editing the firstrun checks also Oct 02 23:26:26 Can't that be considered against some sort of terms? Oct 02 23:26:27 dBsooner-work: if we don't who will?? Oct 02 23:26:43 the details of ths channel are public for sprint/palm to see FYI Oct 02 23:26:47 shrug.. just wondering. Oct 02 23:27:03 i believe security is best discussed in the open.. but there are tons of folks who disagree with that Oct 02 23:27:04 dBsooner-work, not really against terms since congress passed that you own and have full rights to a cellphone you purchased Oct 02 23:27:20 acydlord: unless its an apple Oct 02 23:27:21 ;) Oct 02 23:27:34 apple owns congress Oct 02 23:27:41 apple thinks they do Oct 02 23:27:52 they arent having such good luck with the fcc right now Oct 02 23:28:02 security can be discussed in open, disclosing vulnerailities before a vendor has a chance to patch puts many at risk :/ Oct 02 23:28:07 bah, the fcc has no theeth Oct 02 23:28:12 vulnerabilities* Oct 02 23:28:18 tharris-, exactly Oct 02 23:28:24 thanks tharris- .. I just wanted to clarify. Oct 02 23:28:41 It's one of those fringe areas that used to get you slapped. Oct 02 23:28:48 Like jailbreaks use to be Oct 02 23:28:49 that right there is the fine line between hacking and ethical hacking Oct 02 23:29:05 tharris-: well i think the onus is on the vendor to patch in a timely way too. it's best for those on the vendor's side to be talking about it rather than somewhere on efnet Oct 02 23:29:15 dBsooner-work: sure we should be talking about bypassing it Oct 02 23:29:27 there is no reason i can do what ever i want with a device i payed for Oct 02 23:29:29 i disclose the specifics to vendor and put out a whitepaper Oct 02 23:29:30 OK Oct 02 23:29:36 I WAS PROVEN WRONG Oct 02 23:29:40 give the vendor time() to patch Oct 02 23:29:41 failure Oct 02 23:29:48 if they dont do it in the timeframe then i go public Oct 02 23:29:48 I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM Oct 02 23:29:50 shees Oct 02 23:29:58 hehe Oct 02 23:29:58 usually you only have to do this with microsoft Oct 02 23:29:59 mousy, to a point. If you find a bug and the vendor never intends on fixing it or takes 2 years, you have a right to force their hand if it is your research Oct 02 23:30:13 I am lucky. I even understand the command line howtos and if these work, its okay for me. Oct 02 23:30:14 Thank Oct 02 23:30:18 s Oct 02 23:30:25 tharris-: i went to some length to state that there are many who would disagree with me. Oct 02 23:30:28 ;) Oct 02 23:30:32 =p Oct 02 23:30:52 based on my last vuln, i wanted the vender to patch it Oct 02 23:30:55 tharris-: since my opinion holds no real weight in security circles, i happily wield it freely Oct 02 23:31:07 lol Oct 02 23:31:11 haha Oct 02 23:31:44 hahahaha Oct 02 23:31:54 tharris- likes to look for vulerablesa Oct 02 23:31:58 i've done it this time..... Oct 02 23:32:04 s/vulerables/vulnerables Oct 02 23:32:08 s/vulerables/vulnerables/ Oct 02 23:32:08 dBsooner-work meant: s/vulnerables/vulnerables Oct 02 23:32:09 eureka? Oct 02 23:32:13 i bought the touchstone dock..... without the back cover... Oct 02 23:32:16 * dBsooner-work slap infobot Oct 02 23:32:47 !botsnack Oct 02 23:32:52 i do, spent last night fuzzing to find some neat error messages Oct 02 23:32:54 infobot botsnack Oct 02 23:32:54 :), Mousey Oct 02 23:32:59 ~botsnack Oct 02 23:33:00 anyone know of any stores (not online) that sell the touchstone back cover separately? Oct 02 23:33:12 not THOSE vulnerables.. ;) Oct 02 23:33:16 ah ha, it's ~ Oct 02 23:33:44 Potentially the best error message I have ever seen "This is Bad" 2009-10-02T02:59:48.007122Z [194] qemux86 user.err LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS} com.palm.app.email: Error: This Is Bad: FirstUse cannot maintan accountList subscription Oct 02 23:34:01 Yeah.. I love programmers sometimes Oct 02 23:34:19 it's AWESOME reading other progammer's comments and error stdouts Oct 02 23:34:30 "parallel port on fire" is still my favorite Oct 02 23:34:37 I think I found an error out that said, "Shit has hit the fan!" one time. Oct 02 23:34:42 oh, or "the dungeon collapses, you die" Oct 02 23:34:50 haha Oct 02 23:34:58 i love it, reading comments is funny as well Oct 02 23:35:08 i think the latter one is screen(1), actually Oct 02 23:35:41 you can touch a file to put it in dev mode Oct 02 23:37:38 tharris-, i once saw an error message that said that It Successfully Completed Installing the Package : Installation_Failed, or something similar to that Oct 02 23:38:11 psykoz: YO! Oct 02 23:39:04 zsoc: yah, i've seen java errors like that: ERROR: success Oct 02 23:39:21 or success: error! hehe Oct 02 23:39:42 thosae are just them using the wrong log Oct 02 23:39:46 loglevel* Oct 02 23:41:26 nexave: while running webos dr, use novaterm to access the linux userland and touch /var/luna/preferences/ran-first-use Oct 02 23:41:34 idk if there is more or not Oct 02 23:42:11 i will try to find a full docu on the web with this info... Oct 02 23:42:15 HAHAHAHHAA Oct 02 23:42:37 I am sitting here in this parking lot and just saw some dude in a dog ram extended cab run smack into a pole Oct 02 23:42:41 I mean SMACK Oct 02 23:42:47 dodge* Oct 02 23:42:56 I generally don't find accidents amusing, odd. Oct 02 23:43:03 like he was going to do a 180 around it Oct 02 23:43:21 doesn't sound like much of a dodge then Oct 02 23:43:24 ^_^ Oct 02 23:43:26 no, he was trying to go around it.. like go from going south to north, turning around this huge pole holding up the sign Oct 02 23:43:32 I was more amused about 'touching' 'first-use' Oct 02 23:43:34 he didn't dodge it, eh Oct 02 23:43:51 and he ended up smashing his driver door mirror and door right on the pole Oct 02 23:44:51 zsoc: sure you do.. if its a moron driver and its them hitting a stationary object, i.e. a pole holding up a 30 ft sign, its different. Oct 02 23:45:17 I dislike confrontation. Oct 02 23:45:33 sounds like only one part of that truck's name holds any water Oct 02 23:46:05 acydlord, good one :) now a good joke, that i enjoy. Oct 02 23:46:50 musta rammed it good Oct 02 23:47:07 heh Oct 02 23:47:16 wow, i never made that connection.. the dodge ram? it's perfect harmony! Oct 02 23:47:40 it's like a cat with buttered toast on its back.. if you drop it, which side does it land on? Oct 02 23:47:57 my cat never lands on his feet Oct 02 23:47:57 schrodingers toast Oct 02 23:48:02 of course, he's also literally retarded. Oct 02 23:48:38 Mousey, I don't see what cat's and buttered toast have to do with quantum paradoxes Oct 02 23:49:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttered_cat_paradox Oct 02 23:49:25 * Mousey is a helper! Oct 02 23:49:27 ^_^ Oct 02 23:53:12 my battery life is shot since the 1.2 update Oct 02 23:53:28 stop messing with your phone for 3 hours straight then Oct 02 23:53:30 i need to develop a tiny nuclear reactor for my phone or something Oct 02 23:53:43 sadly i just text on it moderately Oct 02 23:53:49 and the battery gives me about 6 hours Oct 02 23:54:24 somethings wrong. i can go more than 24 on mine Oct 02 23:55:14 i've never been able to go more than 24 on mine Oct 02 23:55:22 only got about 10 when i got it Oct 02 23:55:39 gremlis Oct 02 23:55:40 +n Oct 02 23:55:47 s/+n/gremlins/ Oct 02 23:55:48 Mousey meant: gremlins Oct 02 23:56:20 i need to build a solar panel into my hat Oct 02 23:56:27 so i can charge my phone when im out and about Oct 02 23:58:21 so, i notice among all these fancy new autopatches there's a lot of parallels with the ol' tweaks from the QI.. does that mean i can turn them off in QI and just "install" them via Preware now? Oct 02 23:59:05 ok guys, thanks for your help Oct 02 23:59:10 good night to you Oct 02 23:59:37 Mousey, any QI tweak should be disabled and not used Oct 03 00:00:00 oooh Oct 03 00:00:00 whether you use preware, or QI. The next release of QI will use the autopatch feed so patches are compatible Oct 03 00:00:10 * Mousey loads him up som QI Oct 03 00:00:31 the current QI is 1.1.0 tweaks, 1.2.0 patches in QI will be using the new interoperable standard Oct 03 00:00:36 switching to home pc Oct 03 00:00:38 be back in a min Oct 03 00:02:00 * Mousey uses QI to turn off all teh tweaks, vow's allegiance to auto-patch ftw! Oct 03 00:02:09 lol Oct 03 00:02:28 do i still have to be mindful of dependencies? Oct 03 00:02:38 like don't turn on patch B without turning on patch A first? Oct 03 00:03:19 or will prereqs satisfy themselves in proper ipkg fashion? Oct 03 00:06:00 maybe my questions are too dumb Oct 03 00:08:08 hello Oct 03 00:08:13 you don't have to worry about anything at all Oct 03 00:08:32 you find a way to get into a bad state where you can't remove patches, use EPR Oct 03 00:08:49 if a patch conflicts it will fail to install and not do anything damaging Oct 03 00:09:20 If you accidentally hit "cancel" when asked to run postinst, run the install again and hit OK, and then remove it if you don't want it. Oct 03 00:09:21 good to know. EPR is the webdoctor thing right? Oct 03 00:09:24 NO Oct 03 00:09:27 ah ha Oct 03 00:09:29 EPR is Emergency Patch Recovery Oct 03 00:09:39 i don't know about this, i shall rtfm Oct 03 00:09:42 it's a package which is just a script that removes all the patches at once Oct 03 00:09:48 there's no manual yet Oct 03 00:10:17 can someone tell me what the LED Service package does? Oct 03 00:10:29 i've been poking around it and I'm not quite sure what it's there for Oct 03 00:10:31 flazer: it makes your LEDs a service Oct 03 00:10:40 but i've never found an app that uses the service Oct 03 00:10:46 unless the notification patch uses it or something Oct 03 00:10:52 yeah that's what i thought it was for Oct 03 00:10:56 but nothing is utilizing it Oct 03 00:11:10 i suspected that it was a quick fix to change the minimum brightness from 10 to 0 Oct 03 00:11:23 flazer: oh, there's another package for that Oct 03 00:11:24 flazer, no that's a min brightness patch (in autopatch) Oct 03 00:11:27 yah Oct 03 00:11:31 what egaudet said Oct 03 00:11:39 and screen brightness != LEDs Oct 03 00:11:41 i know Oct 03 00:11:45 LED Service is one of Puff's very first services Oct 03 00:11:51 It allows Mojo to control the leds Oct 03 00:11:57 he's a magic dragon Oct 03 00:12:10 hmm Oct 03 00:12:17 flap flap Oct 03 00:12:17 interesting Oct 03 00:12:20 so its worth keeping around Oct 03 00:12:27 it doesn't do anything by itself, but any mojo app could use it to do some dancing LEDs or anything Oct 03 00:12:32 oh nice Oct 03 00:12:42 there's no morse-code app yet Oct 03 00:12:48 lol Oct 03 00:12:49 that would be sweet Oct 03 00:12:52 ^_^ Oct 03 00:12:58 rave strobe Oct 03 00:13:15 the flashlight service would probably be better for that Oct 03 00:13:20 so where are our paid apps Oct 03 00:13:21 oh, or maybe get them both blinking Oct 03 00:13:32 yeah i was thinking about editing the flashlight service to have a blink mode Oct 03 00:13:39 but thats really not very useful Oct 03 00:13:41 just fun Oct 03 00:13:49 actually... Oct 03 00:13:54 it's hella useful for looking for lost pacifiers in the middle of hte night Oct 03 00:14:04 ahaha Oct 03 00:14:04 blinking would be good when I go out walking at night. Oct 03 00:14:15 i use the flashlight when i'm running up the steps Oct 03 00:14:28 yah, or taking out the trash Oct 03 00:14:36 stupid giant slugs are slipper Oct 03 00:14:36 y Oct 03 00:14:42 haha corq you could put it on a belt clip Oct 03 00:14:48 eww haha Oct 03 00:14:57 it's always in my holster, so like one more tool in the swiss army knife :) Oct 03 00:15:12 i can't believe i didn't come to this chan sooner Oct 03 00:15:26 i sit around on EFNet #WebOS Oct 03 00:15:26 jesus, 67 patches Oct 03 00:15:40 seriously, just as a visibility light, it would be good for safetry situations Oct 03 00:15:40 where all you hear is crickets Oct 03 00:15:52 heh flazer Oct 03 00:15:54 what if you morse-coded it to say S-O-S Oct 03 00:16:02 :P Oct 03 00:16:24 well heh then you'd need some one that reads morse ;-) Oct 03 00:16:35 so does the launcher reset scroll work for 1.2 ? Oct 03 00:16:35 ok, the patches section is my new official favorite section in preware Oct 03 00:16:50 i'll be pissed if verizon gets a better version of the pre than sprint Oct 03 00:16:55 read that in an article today Oct 03 00:16:59 i saw that too Oct 03 00:17:03 they won't Oct 03 00:17:05 I have ham friend but no serious laypeople I know could figure it out other than "hey I wonder what that blinking light is..." Oct 03 00:17:07 vzw is full of shit Oct 03 00:17:17 i bet you could rig the camera up to translate Oct 03 00:17:22 THAT would be cool Oct 03 00:17:25 morse-reader Oct 03 00:17:45 i still want the 2D barcode reader. focus schmocus Oct 03 00:17:58 has anyone heard more about Sprint "premier" thing where you can pay a fee to upgrade sooner? I looked in my account but couldn't find it. Oct 03 00:17:59 i'm tired of appledroid phones holding it over me Oct 03 00:18:16 true dat, Mousey Oct 03 00:18:19 what would be cool is having ocr on the device Oct 03 00:18:27 then you could have an app be a photo calculator :D Oct 03 00:18:34 that *would* rock Oct 03 00:18:35 video too pls Oct 03 00:18:42 wow ocr would be insane Oct 03 00:18:48 go through the stores take a pic of the price sticker of items and have it calculate :D Oct 03 00:19:01 jcrawford: again, barcode reader Oct 03 00:19:08 corq-FL: http://www.sprintenterprise.com/premier/ Oct 03 00:19:18 but yeah the scroll reset Oct 03 00:19:21 Mousey: that would be nice too but a barcode reader couldn't tell you the price :D Oct 03 00:19:24 does it work in 1.2 Oct 03 00:19:28 i dont see why it wouldn't really Oct 03 00:19:37 i just haven't got down to the nitty-gritty with it yet Oct 03 00:19:38 jcrawford: au contraire, they do.. online database comparisons Oct 03 00:19:39 ah Oct 03 00:19:39 they exist Oct 03 00:19:44 corq-FL: in order to enroll, you have to be a Sprint customer for at least six months with a monthly bill at least $70/mo Oct 03 00:20:01 Mousey: that's a price comparison engine Oct 03 00:20:10 i'd think about paying for it regardless if its that much better Oct 03 00:20:17 but verizon? Oct 03 00:20:18 no way Oct 03 00:20:21 i am talking about taking a picture of the actual price such as at a grocery store, having ocr read the price and convert to decimal for use in a calculator Oct 03 00:20:22 which I haz but not at 6 mo mark yet, I signed up on pre's release weekend Oct 03 00:20:29 they still think StarTacs are cutting edge Oct 03 00:20:32 every pic you take the price increases that much Oct 03 00:20:46 keep a tally so you know exactly what you will pay at checkout :D Oct 03 00:20:49 corq-FL: yeah. I've only had my Pre for three months at this point. Oct 03 00:20:58 man you guys are lucky Oct 03 00:21:01 holy CRAP auto-patch is COOL Oct 03 00:21:02 i just got mine 2 weeks ago :P Oct 03 00:21:18 still - holding any phone for two years is agony in the last six months ;-) Oct 03 00:21:20 ok.. i'm gonna go f up my phone.. i'll catch y'all later Oct 03 00:21:25 lol Oct 03 00:21:27 haha good luck Oct 03 00:21:28 laters Oct 03 00:21:52 tbh i'm impressed with sprint's service Oct 03 00:22:06 after years and years languishing on vzw its a breath of fresh air Oct 03 00:22:30 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/09/snes-on-n900.html Oct 03 00:22:48 omg wow Oct 03 00:23:03 is nokia really about to come out with an awesome phone for once? Oct 03 00:23:15 the n97 was weak Oct 03 00:23:24 the n900 looks pretty awesome, (hardware is actually really similar to pre) Oct 03 00:23:33 what is auto-patch? Oct 03 00:23:35 have you seen one in person? Oct 03 00:23:36 if the n900 takes the right parts of the n810 itll be cool Oct 03 00:23:44 I played with an n900 Oct 03 00:23:47 was disappointed. Oct 03 00:23:51 << jealous Oct 03 00:23:57 Srsly? Oct 03 00:24:00 where? Oct 03 00:24:03 it's got a resistive touch screen, not capacitive like the Pre/iPhone/G1 Oct 03 00:24:11 ah i didn't know that Oct 03 00:24:14 deal killer for me Oct 03 00:24:14 I had the n810 but giving it to a pal since I got the Pre Oct 03 00:24:22 i hate resistive Oct 03 00:24:24 drag Oct 03 00:24:24 so it's really frustrating to use with your thumbs :( Oct 03 00:24:29 i had a samsung omnia Oct 03 00:24:42 it took me forever to type "hey" Oct 03 00:24:50 of course the cool thing, to me, is if the hardware is really similar, porting maemo to pre shouldn't be that bad. Oct 03 00:25:18 do you know what processor it has? Oct 03 00:25:30 i haven't really looked too much into the hardware Oct 03 00:25:42 same one as pre, OMAP3430 Oct 03 00:26:47 nice Oct 03 00:26:50 * oil waits for snes emu on pre Oct 03 00:26:51 is it underclocked as well Oct 03 00:27:17 before i got a pre a few months back i saw something about a ps2 emulator for webOS Oct 03 00:27:25 is that real or a mythical beast Oct 03 00:27:35 lol Oct 03 00:27:44 lolol Oct 03 00:28:23 N900 runs at 600mhz. That's the same as on pre, right? Oct 03 00:28:39 Fuzz Data: PID: 1003 URI: mailto:\@?subject\=\&cc\=\@\&bcc\=\@\&body\= Fuzz String: 50000 Oct 03 00:28:43 seems like a fun string Oct 03 00:28:44 the n900 has a 5mp camera and 800 x 480 screen resolution Oct 03 00:28:45 pre is underclocked to 500 mhz Oct 03 00:28:52 but the processor is 600 Oct 03 00:29:31 yeah, if only they'd gone capacitive touchscreen Oct 03 00:29:37 and it comes with video recording at 848×480 @ 25 FPS Oct 03 00:29:42 then it would be about perfect Oct 03 00:29:55 honestly if the n900 has a resistive touch screen then i dont want anything to do with it Oct 03 00:29:58 unless its using this Oct 03 00:30:00 http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/19/stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/ Oct 03 00:30:27 hey egaudet Oct 03 00:30:28 you here Oct 03 00:30:52 yea Oct 03 00:30:53 sup Oct 03 00:31:34 the other night u were helping me with my keyboard thing Oct 03 00:31:48 my files were messed up, and you said i needed to get the files from the dr Oct 03 00:31:51 and replace them Oct 03 00:31:57 do you remember what files i needed to replace? Oct 03 00:32:26 i couldn't forget these files if i wanted to :P Oct 03 00:32:44 '/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework200_18.js Oct 03 00:32:45 and Oct 03 00:32:46 lol, im home now, and have access to my computer and i wanted to make it so i can install my virtual keyboard Oct 03 00:33:01 '/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/200.18/stylesheets/global.css Oct 03 00:33:12 you can repair those however you want Oct 03 00:33:24 doctor extraction, repair utility Oct 03 00:33:26 etc Oct 03 00:33:26 whats the newest version of the DR out? i think i got the old 1.1 Oct 03 00:35:50 has anyone tried putting irssi on yet? Oct 03 00:35:59 irssi works for me Oct 03 00:36:02 on pre? Oct 03 00:36:05 yeah Oct 03 00:36:09 in terminal Oct 03 00:36:25 i suspected it would work.. that's awesome! Oct 03 00:36:31 i need to get terminal working first though Oct 03 00:37:34 ooo, i dont have the right version of the dr Oct 03 00:37:40 need to go get the newest one Oct 03 00:41:01 flazer: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Linux_Tutorial_Irssi full irssi+bitlbee for msn,yahoo,aim Oct 03 00:41:55 I've been meaning to rewrite that and work on the services, I keep getting distracted by other projects though Oct 03 00:42:56 wow excellent Oct 03 00:43:04 i can't believe i haven't seen this yet Oct 03 00:43:12 terminal isn't working for me though Oct 03 00:43:17 so i have to solve that first Oct 03 00:43:30 you have to install the service and the front end for it Oct 03 00:43:31 it's two parts Oct 03 00:43:54 i believe i did Oct 03 00:44:00 isn't there a way to install via ssh Oct 03 00:44:08 i've done so much the last couple days i'm forgetting lol Oct 03 00:44:17 i just started writing down all the changes i've made Oct 03 00:45:10 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Oct 03 00:45:18 instructions there for install through preware and through command line Oct 03 00:45:40 thanks for the link Oct 03 00:45:54 i'll try that once i finish up this launcher scroll reset thing Oct 03 00:46:12 no problemo Oct 03 00:46:22 so where are our paid apps? Oct 03 00:46:32 not here yet apparently lol Oct 03 00:46:32 are you planning on purchasing any/many? Oct 03 00:46:38 yeah these delays are killer Oct 03 00:46:52 palm news lately hasn't been very optimistic Oct 03 00:47:04 $80.00 at wal-mart is insane Oct 03 00:47:14 meaning they must have a huge inventory Oct 03 00:47:18 yeah I definitely will if its software I like, honestly I'm a big open source guy and would probably donate to some of the homebrew/gpl guys before buying an app Oct 03 00:47:27 agreed Oct 03 00:47:27 depends though Oct 03 00:47:36 what OS are you running Oct 03 00:47:43 I have no real issues with proprietary software, I just like to support open development when I can Oct 03 00:47:59 on this machine, ubuntu jaunty Oct 03 00:48:06 i feel you Oct 03 00:48:13 yeah im on 8.04 Oct 03 00:48:22 it was the only os i could get the sdk working on Oct 03 00:48:23 was playign with the karmic beta before, seems decent, new gnome looks a lil suse-style for my taste though Oct 03 00:48:42 yeah my only issue with the sdk is having to force instal it since theres no native 64bit version Oct 03 00:48:46 otherwise has been working 100% Oct 03 00:49:11 thats what killed me Oct 03 00:49:14 the 64-bit Oct 03 00:49:19 i wanted it to work on windows 7 x64 Oct 03 00:49:29 but i couldn't get it to work for the life of me Oct 03 00:49:37 anyone here have a rapidshare premium account i could use for something? lol Oct 03 00:49:47 so i just gave in and did it 32-bit style Oct 03 00:49:55 ah Oct 03 00:50:59 i'm rather new to the world of linux i suppose Oct 03 00:51:07 so forgive me haha Oct 03 00:51:34 what linux distro should i download Oct 03 00:56:14 Decimate: well I tried two today, arch and ubuntu karmic beta Oct 03 00:56:18 Decimate, you shouldn't Oct 03 00:56:34 arch failed during install and the karmic beta seems fine, just nothing worthwhile yet might as well wait until release Oct 03 00:56:41 zsoc: cmon, im willing to try out whatever YOU think is best zsoc Oct 03 00:56:48 Decimate, best for what? Oct 03 00:57:01 I think I might install gentoo this weekend Oct 03 00:57:04 pfft. idk. Oct 03 00:57:11 what do you think i'll like most Oct 03 00:57:16 lol Oct 03 00:57:20 egaudet, i'm doing it right now. it's fun as hell (coming from the perspective of a linux geek) Oct 03 00:57:20 try them all Oct 03 00:57:35 what are you trying to do with it Decimate Oct 03 00:57:43 Decimate, ubuntu i'd imagine would be the easiest for you. 'like most' would involve 'getting to work' i suppose Oct 03 00:57:58 XD Oct 03 00:58:12 nice :D tell me how it goes Oct 03 00:58:15 Who wanted me? Oct 03 00:58:27 egaudet, after i copy those files over, should i reboot? Oct 03 00:58:41 no Oct 03 00:58:56 k, here goes nothin Oct 03 00:58:57 lol Oct 03 00:59:01 gonna install it now? Oct 03 00:59:04 flazer: get a taste of why linux is worth using. Oct 03 00:59:26 yeah, i just copied over the files Oct 03 00:59:36 but now i need to start up preware, and try the kb patch Oct 03 00:59:37 what do you mean? Oct 03 00:59:43 cool, it will work :) Oct 03 01:00:18 so far so good.. Oct 03 01:00:21 * tlz crosses fingers Oct 03 01:00:30 touchdownnnnnnnn Oct 03 01:00:58 anyone done the video part yet Oct 03 01:01:22 i dont know how i feel about this scroll reset Oct 03 01:02:04 it looks kind of jumpy, but its quite useful Oct 03 01:02:46 tlz, hm? Oct 03 01:02:54 hm?? Oct 03 01:02:56 flazer, jumpy? Oct 03 01:03:09 with a scroll from right to left Oct 03 01:03:20 from my middle panel to the far left one Oct 03 01:03:31 it just seems Oct 03 01:03:32 ah nvm Oct 03 01:03:35 its fine Oct 03 01:03:52 haha Oct 03 01:03:58 it also needs to work with hiding/showing the app launcher maybe Oct 03 01:04:09 i'm just used to it staying at the bottom when i scroll i think Oct 03 01:04:26 nice hack Oct 03 01:04:35 thanks to whoever figured that Oct 03 01:04:38 much appreciated Oct 03 01:04:43 yea i found myself always wishing it would reset to top, the first time i used that patch i wanted it to stay at the bottom lol Oct 03 01:04:44 what would you say the most battery abusing app i can run on the pre would be? sprint tv? trying to see how quickly I can kill this 2600 now Oct 03 01:05:07 youtube Oct 03 01:05:10 any vids Oct 03 01:05:15 and turn wifi off Oct 03 01:05:31 and you'll actually be able to see the energy seeping out of it Oct 03 01:05:43 lol Oct 03 01:05:52 i haven't used sprint tv at all yet tbh Oct 03 01:06:50 "This is alpha software. Consider yourself lucky if it works at all." Oct 03 01:07:06 let's get some luck! Oct 03 01:07:11 lol Oct 03 01:07:42 i just donated so i could get mytether Oct 03 01:07:47 but forgot to provide my username Oct 03 01:07:48 DOH Oct 03 01:07:49 lol Oct 03 01:08:43 i'm assuming mytether won't be a paid app in the traditional sense when the app store finally opens will it? Oct 03 01:09:02 i'd say that assumption is correct Oct 03 01:09:11 i wouldn't see palm endorsing that in the app store Oct 03 01:09:12 lol Oct 03 01:11:37 haha that was my line of thinking on that as well Oct 03 01:11:44 the youtube app really needs to be flushed out, support for your youtube account & favorites would be clutch Oct 03 01:12:02 it doesn't have that? Oct 03 01:12:15 i don't have a youtube account so i never even thought of that aspect Oct 03 01:12:16 not from what i've seen Oct 03 01:12:20 wow Oct 03 01:12:24 we need a facebook app Oct 03 01:12:30 the pixi is supposed to come with one Oct 03 01:12:38 but apparently that oct 20 release date is bogus Oct 03 01:12:42 * punzada shrugs Oct 03 01:12:45 so who knows when we'll see it Oct 03 01:12:51 an official one would be key Oct 03 01:12:55 full facebook page is fine for me but i honestly dont use it much Oct 03 01:13:08 like, i loath to say, the iphone app Oct 03 01:13:25 version 3.0 is awesome Oct 03 01:13:32 feels good to root my pre again Oct 03 01:13:40 yeah x.facebook.com doesn't really cut it Oct 03 01:13:44 it might as well just be an rss feed Oct 03 01:14:37 have you tried the other mobile one, lite.facebook.com? Oct 03 01:14:47 hm no i've never heard of that site Oct 03 01:14:55 when i was on windows mobile i used m.facebook.com Oct 03 01:15:00 i'll try lite right now Oct 03 01:15:06 its a more flushed out then x, not quite as full as main site Oct 03 01:15:11 i believe is the point of it Oct 03 01:15:14 an in-between Oct 03 01:15:36 i wasn't even aware of its existence Oct 03 01:15:45 this is an exciting development Oct 03 01:15:57 i love friday night! Oct 03 01:15:59 lolol Oct 03 01:16:16 Anyone else watching stargate universe... there has to be geeky people in here. Oct 03 01:16:32 just beacuse we're geeky doesn't mean we have poor taste in tv :P Oct 03 01:16:36 * punzada rimshots Oct 03 01:16:50 I kid, stargate is okay, just not my thing. Oct 03 01:17:09 * oil plans to download it Oct 03 01:17:10 hahaha Oct 03 01:17:23 if i had a tv i'd be watching the pitt game Oct 03 01:17:32 or wait Oct 03 01:17:34 * oil doesn't watch tv on tv's schedule Oct 03 01:17:35 espn360.com Oct 03 01:17:37 :D Oct 03 01:17:50 i disagree Oct 03 01:17:56 It's a very good game, but I think Donkey Kong is the best game ever..... Oct 03 01:18:13 this new stargate is nothing like the old ones. Oct 03 01:18:15 punzada this lite facebook is pretty nice Oct 03 01:18:23 its still a little small though you know? Oct 03 01:18:29 Like they shifted it to more drama. Oct 03 01:18:29 i like how x.facebook.com is readable Oct 03 01:18:36 i dont wanna pinch on facebook Oct 03 01:19:03 Templarian: i thought the commercial was funny Oct 03 01:19:07 "and what if i dont want to?" Oct 03 01:19:14 "then we'll beam you up to our spaceship" Oct 03 01:19:27 yea that full part is hilarous Oct 03 01:20:28 now i'm all nervous about verizon getting a pre 2.0 Oct 03 01:21:53 flazer, yeah, oh no it has slightly more memory :P Oct 03 01:22:05 they always release new versions Oct 03 01:22:11 if you were afraid of not having hte best Oct 03 01:22:14 you should never buy anything Oct 03 01:22:29 hahaha i know i know Oct 03 01:22:40 or you could break contract and switch Oct 03 01:22:49 no way i'm not going back to verizon Oct 03 01:22:59 and their crappy crippled phones Oct 03 01:23:07 did you see what they did to the htc touch pro? Oct 03 01:23:14 took away 60 MB of RAM Oct 03 01:23:23 and didn't have TouchFLO enabled Oct 03 01:24:14 ok heres an on-topic question Oct 03 01:24:31 how do i edit a .json file via command line Oct 03 01:24:33 or is that impossible Oct 03 01:24:39 i want to enable the analog clock Oct 03 01:24:44 nano Oct 03 01:24:46 or vim Oct 03 01:24:51 vim works? Oct 03 01:24:53 command line text editors Oct 03 01:25:00 i beileve so, vim or vi Oct 03 01:25:02 i tried regular vi Oct 03 01:25:05 forget which it has Oct 03 01:25:06 and it won't support the filetype Oct 03 01:25:48 oh wait Oct 03 01:26:28 i copied this Oct 03 01:26:30 /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.clock/themes/ File: themes.json Oct 03 01:26:34 from the wiki Oct 03 01:26:41 so you can see the problem Oct 03 01:26:56 you mean it wont let you write the file out? Oct 03 01:26:57 did you just say 'vi won't support the filetype' Oct 03 01:27:11 well it didn't work because of the way that line was written Oct 03 01:27:17 with the File:themes.json in the middle Oct 03 01:27:19 oh Oct 03 01:27:20 i see Oct 03 01:27:21 lol Oct 03 01:27:33 i should have read it my fault Oct 03 01:30:13 god i love this phone Oct 03 01:30:15 :D Oct 03 01:30:22 lol me as well Oct 03 01:30:43 my favorite tweak thus far has been the LED blinkers Oct 03 01:30:50 i really enjoy them Oct 03 01:31:10 in another chan i was talking about them Oct 03 01:31:18 and my buddy said "you're a nerd bro" Oct 03 01:31:31 ha Oct 03 01:31:31 i think its bad when someone on irc calls you out like that Oct 03 01:31:35 :P Oct 03 01:31:40 love it though Oct 03 01:31:55 friends on my net are sick of me talking about it im sure Oct 03 01:32:06 hahah same Oct 03 01:32:13 i keep trying to convince them to buy one Oct 03 01:33:12 can anyone on irc reall call someone else on irc a nerd as if they weren't one? Oct 03 01:33:18 i mean, come on, they're on irc as well Oct 03 01:33:51 hahah therein lies my point Oct 03 01:33:54 nerd Oct 03 01:34:02 wow this black clock is badass Oct 03 01:34:08 it looks like a porsche gauge Oct 03 01:34:41 although the second hand isn't ticking on mine Oct 03 01:35:06 is that normal Oct 03 01:36:02 neat -> [[A2009-10-03T01:35:29.990234Z [1292] castle user.err LunaSysMgr: void YapPacket::operator>>(char*&): assertion `(m_currReadPos + 3) <= m_readTotalLen' failed Oct 03 01:36:31 it upsets me they caught that one Oct 03 01:38:38 tharris what was that Oct 03 01:38:54 security research Oct 03 01:39:38 you're a beast Oct 03 01:39:56 hehe there has to be more =p Oct 03 01:40:05 my goal is one bug in every release Oct 03 01:40:34 and i'm worried about why some letters are displayed lowercase.. Oct 03 01:40:49 :] Oct 03 01:40:52 heh Oct 03 01:41:34 the regular analog clock is laggy as hell Oct 03 01:41:58 I am hungry Oct 03 01:43:31 * oil never looks at the freakin clock Oct 03 01:43:42 i dont either :\ Oct 03 01:43:48 maybe ill make a patch so it goes right to the alarm page Oct 03 01:43:52 and skips the stupid ass clock Oct 03 01:43:57 i was curious to see the analog ones though Oct 03 01:44:13 and i can see why they aren't enabled Oct 03 01:45:34 why doesn't it display the nicename for the analog black? Oct 03 01:47:21 oil: that would be a nice patch Oct 03 01:47:53 ideally the whole application should be called "Alarms" and the alarm icon would be displayed before the clock Oct 03 01:48:13 so the clock would be just an ancillary item Oct 03 01:51:46 anyone tried google chrome in linux Oct 03 01:54:28 Templarian: get started on a Luna icon! Oct 03 01:54:29 :) Oct 03 01:55:17 Yeah I've used some of the newer chronium builds flazer Oct 03 01:55:23 or more like, hey Templarian if you get a chance do you think you can come up with a generic patch icon for those patches missing icons in autopatch, as well as maybe a Luna icon Oct 03 01:55:26 they're getting much better then they were Oct 03 01:55:30 still very alpha though Oct 03 01:56:16 Hey Templarian! Ignore my previous statement that sounded like a demand and go with what egaudet said. :) Oct 03 01:57:10 Why yes egaudet I can. Thank you for asking politely. Stargate first though ;-) Oct 03 01:57:36 :D thanks Templarian! Oct 03 01:58:36 puzada: i have too, crashes are pretty frequent Oct 03 01:58:46 but i love chrome Oct 03 01:58:58 i'll be excited when its finally available for heavy use Oct 03 01:59:06 gotta love incognito mode :P Oct 03 01:59:24 Thank you Templarian. I am a douche for asking so rudely. Oct 03 01:59:53 Yea. Oct 03 02:00:33 Google Chrome isn't that great. It's not bad, but I hope that their OS off of it fails like a nuclear reactor taking down everything related to it. Oct 03 02:00:44 chernobyl OS Oct 03 02:01:07 woohoo terminal works Oct 03 02:01:09 I'm just not a superfan of google as so many people are. Oct 03 02:01:09 :D Oct 03 02:01:13 yay flazer Oct 03 02:01:16 ehh i like them and hate them Oct 03 02:01:28 i really wanted an android device for a long time Oct 03 02:01:50 and the sholes/tao/droid for verizon looks pretty badass Oct 03 02:01:56 i can't believe i said that about a verizon phone Oct 03 02:02:03 did you see the pictures of it? Oct 03 02:02:13 the unlock sequencer looks cool Oct 03 02:02:21 i was watching some g2 andriod videos and am I the only one that thinks andriod looks ugly and clunky ? ;x Oct 03 02:02:25 funny no one mentioned or speculated on what it was in the pics Oct 03 02:02:32 have you seen the htc hero? Oct 03 02:02:40 yes Oct 03 02:02:44 that sense UI is delicious Oct 03 02:04:07 http://media.boygeniusreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Moto-Tao1.jpg Oct 03 02:04:19 to me that looks like a pattern unlocker Oct 03 02:04:43 whatever order you want with the 9 circles is what opens the magic door Oct 03 02:04:49 neat Oct 03 02:06:37 bbs fellas i gotta pick up my brother Oct 03 02:06:39 :D Oct 03 02:06:47 hm, 89% with an hour of youtube'ing Oct 03 02:06:48 not bad Oct 03 02:07:27 q for webos experts. webos 1.2 is noticably faster. Knowing that it is the same processor, how could they have made it faster/snappier? Oct 03 02:07:57 optimized code ? Oct 03 02:08:06 less overhead in message passing ? Oct 03 02:08:11 remove redundent lines of code, free variables, optimize unnecessary code, remove comments.. Oct 03 02:08:31 don't include unneeded files in a function Oct 03 02:08:40 there are tons of ways to "optimize" Oct 03 02:09:22 are effects of code optimization more significant in JavaScript compared to C/C++? Oct 03 02:11:09 they are the same for any codebase Oct 03 02:11:16 I was rather surprised to see code optimization alone could make that much difference. Just an observation. Oct 03 02:11:35 code optimization can do a lot more even Oct 03 02:11:36 Palm seriously took the whole get it work and then optimize to heart. Oct 03 02:12:02 OK, then how else would they make it faster? Send a palm ninja to your house to steal your pre and upgrade the ram/processor without you knowing? Oct 03 02:12:05 the main tenant of programming is get it working .. get it working right ... then optimize Oct 03 02:12:26 yup, if you want to see code optimization at it's finest look at the atari 2600 3d graphics/demo scene Oct 03 02:12:34 amazing what they've pulled off with such old hardware Oct 03 02:12:41 If they rewrote the java portions in C etc, they could make it quicker. Oct 03 02:12:41 there are still some amazing demo scenes nowaday Oct 03 02:12:42 s Oct 03 02:12:49 amazing what you can do in 4k Oct 03 02:13:00 wtf Oct 03 02:13:07 i just sent a text from my pre, while it was plugged in Oct 03 02:13:10 and caused my phone to reboot Oct 03 02:13:13 hmmmm Oct 03 02:13:20 tlz: what did you send? Oct 03 02:13:28 just a text message Oct 03 02:13:51 its plugged in via usb to my computer, charging, and i saw something about new hardware, omap34 or somethin Oct 03 02:13:54 and then bam, shut off Oct 03 02:33:30 punzada: was that you talking about irssi before? Oct 03 02:33:35 yup Oct 03 02:33:48 i'm gonna give it a go in a second here once i fix my bot Oct 03 02:33:49 Lovin the patches- I have a question about "Battery % in Header"- I do not see the % sign and when at 100% all I see is "10". I also have "add date to top bar..." but tried it with out "add date" and still no % sign. In 1.1 I did the QI patch and saw it. Is that correct functionality? Oct 03 02:33:58 was someone working on a GUI irc client for webOS? Oct 03 02:34:08 yeah soeone said they were, i forget who Oct 03 02:34:38 I actually perfer irssi >> If only I can get the terminal to refresh it quicker Oct 03 02:35:20 are you using irssi now on your desktop? Oct 03 02:35:24 yup Oct 03 02:35:29 nice Oct 03 02:35:39 i like irssi, but i like seeing the user list on the side Oct 03 02:35:44 like in mirc Oct 03 02:35:46 and on pre Oct 03 02:35:47 i use xchat though Oct 03 02:35:48 :p Oct 03 02:35:53 haha nice i saw that Oct 03 02:35:58 very nice Oct 03 02:36:07 (07:36 pm) [punzada VERSION reply]: irssi v0.8.13 - running on FreeBSD i386 Oct 03 02:36:09 nice Oct 03 02:36:14 I manually tweaked to add the Date in Header before 1.2 but restored a backed up untouched bar-assistant.js that I had. Oct 03 02:36:35 ~seen anoutsider Oct 03 02:36:36 anoutsider was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 7h 44m 19s ago, saying: 'taking forever and shit'. Oct 03 02:36:57 I really haven't bothered hacking and poking around the stock webos stuff yet Oct 03 02:36:59 I should get on that Oct 03 02:37:21 probably learn more then the ways I've been going about it lately Oct 03 02:37:31 (although javascript: the good parts has been a decent read so far) Oct 03 02:39:46 ah i should really get a book Oct 03 02:39:54 i think i'll do that tomorrow Oct 03 02:40:03 that book, you really REALLY ought to read Oct 03 02:40:15 whats the title? Oct 03 02:40:27 Javascript: The Good Parts Oct 03 02:40:38 it's perhaps the most important programming book of the last decade. Oct 03 02:40:57 wow Oct 03 02:41:03 I'm seriously about to rip my face off Oct 03 02:41:05 apparently rick really likes it :P Oct 03 02:41:11 I've been enjoying it as well so far Oct 03 02:41:13 for two reasons... 1) Javascript is ---THE___ most widely available programming language in the world. Oct 03 02:41:21 since it is on EVERY computer. Oct 03 02:41:22 thats quite an endorsement i'll definitely check it out Oct 03 02:41:27 ah true Oct 03 02:41:27 although the whole concept behind prototypes still confuses the hell out of me Oct 03 02:41:30 >> Oct 03 02:42:01 2) Crockford came from a classical inheritance environment and has turned full circle to embrace javascript and prototypical inheritance, so he KNOWS what he's talking about Oct 03 02:42:12 But punzada it's so SIMPLE. Oct 03 02:42:14 really. Oct 03 02:42:17 prototypes that is. Oct 03 02:42:22 really simple. Oct 03 02:42:25 it probably is and i'm overthinking it always Oct 03 02:42:34 want the dirt simple explanation? Oct 03 02:42:50 if you don't mind sure, always up to learn something :P Oct 03 02:42:55 ok Oct 03 02:43:12 what languages are you comfortable in? Before JS what had you programmed the most? Oct 03 02:43:25 Has anyone experiemented with CPU Scaling and SmartReflex simotaneously in 1.2? Oct 03 02:43:26 mostly c++ and very poorly with it Oct 03 02:43:28 :( Oct 03 02:43:28 lol Oct 03 02:43:47 punzada, that explains a lot about your difficulties with protytpes. Oct 03 02:43:49 ok Oct 03 02:43:59 start with the idea that everything you know is wrong. Oct 03 02:44:04 haha Oct 03 02:44:11 i've been working on that Oct 03 02:44:11 ok Oct 03 02:44:33 now... we start with the idea that JS is the most object-oriented language it is possible to have. Oct 03 02:44:45 indeed, everything is an object. Oct 03 02:45:04 EVERYTHING is an object. Programs, variables, pointers, functions, EVERYTHING is an object. Oct 03 02:45:18 so, FUNCTIONS are objects right? Oct 03 02:45:25 indeed Oct 03 02:45:28 ok Oct 03 02:45:56 is the optware package feed down? Oct 03 02:46:25 So, we make a function pun(x) { return (x + "punny")} Oct 03 02:46:37 wh0dat: it shouldn't be Oct 03 02:46:43 but you can check at optware.org Oct 03 02:46:48 okay, with you so far Oct 03 02:47:18 punzada so, we can make a new function blah(y) = new pun() ; Oct 03 02:47:20 right Oct 03 02:47:33 because any object can inherit from any other object. Oct 03 02:47:44 okay Oct 03 02:47:53 * wh0dat inherits rick's object. Oct 03 02:48:33 and we can give blah a new behavior -- blah.happy = function(q) { return( q + ":-)" } Oct 03 02:49:10 and so now we can call blah("123) and get 123punny and we can call blah.happy(123) and get happy:-) Oct 03 02:49:13 ok Oct 03 02:49:35 okay, makes sense Oct 03 02:49:38 but we can not call pun.happy because we added happy to BLAH but not to its parent pun Oct 03 02:50:12 correct, as behavior i would expect at this point Oct 03 02:50:26 now. if at this point. we just make a new method fro pun.... pun.sad (you guess what that does) it would be added to our INSTANCE of pun Oct 03 02:51:03 but it wouldn't effect blah... because we have an INSTANCE of pun, and we have an INSTANCE of blah, but blah was already instantiated BEFORE we added sad to pun Oct 03 02:51:10 ok? Oct 03 02:51:27 okay im with you Oct 03 02:51:30 ok Oct 03 02:51:42 what happens tho if we make pun.prototype.sad. :-( Oct 03 02:51:58 that adds sad to the UNDERLYING DEFINITION of pun Oct 03 02:52:14 and so, ALL THE INSTANCES and ALL THE INHERITED CHILD OBJECTS get the new method.... Oct 03 02:52:23 we've redefined what pun IS Oct 03 02:52:34 ah, see, i was close Oct 03 02:52:40 that makes it much clearer though Oct 03 02:52:41 ty lol Oct 03 02:52:54 and it's really a SIMPLE idea. Oct 03 02:53:03 it's just that --- you can't do that --- in java or in c++ Oct 03 02:53:20 i was confused if prototype was its own instance for example, and then reading how it manipulated the original object - is where I was confused. Oct 03 02:53:32 because they have objects and they have CLASSES but they are fully seperate. Oct 03 02:53:36 yeah Oct 03 02:53:39 exactly :D Oct 03 02:53:39 yeah Oct 03 02:53:48 wow great explanation rick Oct 03 02:54:02 so in java, and in c++ objects can't --really-- have methods. Oct 03 02:54:08 right? Oct 03 02:54:23 but in js, they absolutely can. Oct 03 02:54:33 which is -super- dangerous if you wanted to get tricky. Oct 03 02:54:41 oh absolutely Oct 03 02:54:45 but consider this. Oct 03 02:54:58 I have an array [1,2,3,4,5,6,7] Oct 03 02:55:12 you can has an array Oct 03 02:55:21 lulz Oct 03 02:55:21 and I have a function flipper() which flips the contents of any array... [7,6,5,4,3,2,1] Oct 03 02:56:05 now, I can do array.prototype.flipit = function() {return flipper(this);} Oct 03 02:56:20 and now --every arrary in my entire program-- has flipit as a method. Oct 03 02:56:43 now that is crafty Oct 03 02:56:50 and useful Oct 03 02:57:07 hmmm Oct 03 02:57:20 my tether works pretty nicely Oct 03 02:57:26 yes it does. Oct 03 02:57:35 and it was a breeze to install Oct 03 02:57:45 i had issues on 1.1 Oct 03 02:57:48 not on 1.2 though Oct 03 02:57:51 * dustifer wonders if he can install it on his other pre without paying again Oct 03 02:58:15 punzada the other thing you have to know about js functions, and the thing that you NEED to know is that you can pass a function as a parameter to a function. Oct 03 02:58:29 yeah I read regarding that Oct 03 02:58:33 that is very nice Oct 03 02:58:56 I can see that leading to hell when trying to debug someone elses code though Oct 03 02:59:06 lol Oct 03 02:59:11 needs careful documentation Oct 03 02:59:21 but it's one of the REASONS that crocford wrote JSLINT Oct 03 02:59:32 jslint in strict mode will save your butt. Oct 03 02:59:44 coupled with jsbeautifier... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 03 02:59:57 2009