**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 03 02:59:57 2009 Oct 03 02:59:59 i just added that page to my favorites recently (jslint) Oct 03 03:00:07 yep Oct 03 03:00:28 but you know that in Komodo Edit Ide that Templarian wrote, jslint for your project is a built in one-button function? Oct 03 03:01:05 I have komodo with the webos stuff loaded, i knew it did auto-complete i didn't know jslint was built in as well, nice to know Oct 03 03:01:20 it's one of the buttons on the right of the webos toolbar Oct 03 03:01:39 ok. Last lesson for tonight. if you're up for one more short one. Oct 03 03:01:54 sure Oct 03 03:01:58 rick_home, do you know any lessions about avoid checks during cross compiles? :P Oct 03 03:02:16 you know how ajax calls work? Or sql transactions? -- you know how they're asynchronous Oct 03 03:02:36 yeah Oct 03 03:02:51 zsoc -- I don't do cross compiler. sorry. Oct 03 03:02:57 sok thanks :> Oct 03 03:03:17 ok so punzada how do you do six ajax calls in a row, that have to happen in THAT order one after another? Oct 03 03:03:56 http://www.speedtest.net/result/581464354.png Oct 03 03:04:21 nice speedz Oct 03 03:04:22 dustifer, i hit 2mb one day here Oct 03 03:04:31 well don't know the syntax off the top of my head, just know basic sql and that it is asynchronous Oct 03 03:04:49 nice Oct 03 03:04:53 there's a trick, for that AND for sql queries which are also async Oct 03 03:05:05 how often do you use tether zsoc Oct 03 03:05:19 here's what you do. Put your six ajax requests in an array.... req[] Oct 03 03:05:23 then do this. Oct 03 03:05:44 dustifer, er, i don't, i meant those speeds on my pre. non-flash speed test :) Oct 03 03:06:34 ahh boo Oct 03 03:06:50 im just wondering how much i could use mytether before sprint starts to be like, wtf. Oct 03 03:07:02 i = 0 ; doajax = function(i) { ajax request( req[i], onsuccess: function() { i++; if (i<6) {doajax(i)}) Oct 03 03:07:19 dustifer: to date no one has reported that sprint has cared. Oct 03 03:07:27 nice Oct 03 03:07:29 that simple eh? good to know. Oct 03 03:07:34 * punzada puts that into his webos notes Oct 03 03:07:40 in general, the presumption is that 5 gig a month is probably safe Oct 03 03:07:59 you just make it call ITSELF in the onsuccess. Oct 03 03:08:05 simple recursion. Oct 03 03:08:07 yup Oct 03 03:08:17 whoever designed this program should put a meter on there, telling you how much data you've used Oct 03 03:08:24 do the same thing with db.transaction() Oct 03 03:08:43 tlzz you can look that up on your sprint account homepage Oct 03 03:09:27 punzada you do understand that I got the syntax a little sloppy above... :-) Oct 03 03:09:42 but the more I work in it the more I love JS. Oct 03 03:09:44 yeah I understand the method :P Oct 03 03:10:05 I have only two complaints. Oct 03 03:10:06 It's growing on me, it's been hard for me to move away from c++ I spent six-ish years learning it Oct 03 03:10:14 hmm Oct 03 03:10:14 i got accepted to test SudokuPlus for the pre Oct 03 03:10:20 scope is still a pain. Oct 03 03:10:30 although bind helps a lot Oct 03 03:10:52 and I wish to HELL that they had chosen something OTHER than IEEE floating point for numbers. Oct 03 03:11:14 very cool app. Oct 03 03:11:15 since I mostly do ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE and the fact that 0.01 + 0.02 is not equal to 0.03 drives me nuts Oct 03 03:11:16 i wish i found a crash with all the coding i did tonight Oct 03 03:11:24 tharris-: sorry guy Oct 03 03:11:36 there have to be more of them tho Oct 03 03:11:47 tharris-, i wish i accomplished _anything_ with all the building i've done tonight :P Oct 03 03:12:10 I wish I knew what was wrong with my othello AI. Oct 03 03:12:12 which I have now broken completely. Oct 03 03:12:18 * punzada is doing his best to stresstest this battery, been streaming accuradio for the last hour or so Oct 03 03:12:57 damn... Chicago loses. Oct 03 03:13:07 what process i kill besides powerd to make it not hibernate? Oct 03 03:13:17 no idea Oct 03 03:15:00 really REALLY tired of netsplits Oct 03 03:15:12 you guys Oct 03 03:15:12 soon theres gonna be an app in the app catalog Oct 03 03:15:12 called SudokuPlus Oct 03 03:15:12 beast sudoku gamee. Oct 03 03:15:13 i wish everyone could have it now Oct 03 03:15:42 almost anything has to be better than the lame suduku that's already in the app catalog Oct 03 03:17:15 does it support backtracking from a guess? Oct 03 03:19:24 so i guess no paid apps today Oct 03 03:19:26 i am realy surprised that docviewer checks if the file exists first before trying to open it Oct 03 03:19:49 programmers can be lazier than that =p Oct 03 03:20:11 suchis the life of a fuzzer Oct 03 03:21:29 i want to be a dev Oct 03 03:21:40 but i dont know any html, js, etc. Oct 03 03:21:54 i did not know any js before i got the pre Oct 03 03:22:09 pretty simple Oct 03 03:22:15 tharris-: What did you know? Oct 03 03:22:30 phiqtion: do you know ANY programing Oct 03 03:22:37 nope Oct 03 03:22:41 perl, c, c++, tidbits of java, python, random shell scripts..... Oct 03 03:22:42 ah Oct 03 03:22:45 all my testing is in perl Oct 03 03:22:49 then this isn't the place to start..... Oct 03 03:22:54 html too i guess Oct 03 03:23:05 Okay, so knowing JS wasn't a big stretch. Oct 03 03:23:11 not really Oct 03 03:23:26 learn to program in a somewhat modern language they are all the same.... Oct 03 03:23:29 Whereas someone who doesn't know a lot of that isn't going to pick up on it quite as easily. Oct 03 03:23:40 phiqtion: start here... http://www.webteacher.com/javatour/ Oct 03 03:23:40 JS is pretty readable though Oct 03 03:23:54 i do agree with you pork Oct 03 03:23:56 then go here. http://www.w3schools.com/JS/default.asp Oct 03 03:25:19 they are NOT all the same Oct 03 03:25:38 i should have caveated Oct 03 03:26:06 while syntactically they are different, general programming aspects are all similar Oct 03 03:27:26 Please paste the contents of /tmp/quilt-bootstrap.sh.log to http://webos.pastebin.com/ and seek help in the IRC channel #webos-internals. Oct 03 03:27:28 loll Oct 03 03:27:45 tharris-: only at the most superficial level. It is true that you can write fortran in any language..... but there are substantial philosophical differences. Oct 03 03:28:15 I am convinced that overexposure to Java warps programmers minds Oct 03 03:29:02 concurrence, when i reverse it is all (outside of bytecode) move, add, sub, mult, div, etc =p Oct 03 03:31:03 tokyo drift is on TBS Oct 03 03:31:55 i liked it Oct 03 03:32:14 I remember writing an array inverter in Ruby using pure fortran style functions. I thought the ruby guys in the room were going to hurl.... Oct 03 03:32:22 LOL Oct 03 03:33:04 nested for- loops with single character indexes and global temp variables... :-) Oct 03 03:33:24 lol Oct 03 03:33:42 sad thing was, mine was faster than theirs. -- it compiled to better low level code. :-) Oct 03 03:34:33 my fuzzer put the phone in airplane mode, that can be funny Oct 03 03:34:58 well, not exactly a security hole, but certainly unpleasent. Oct 03 03:35:11 annoyed me, i had to restart my test Oct 03 03:35:25 set it and forget it Oct 03 03:35:41 wait for core dumps Oct 03 03:37:52 the phone has registered handlers for funny file types like der Oct 03 03:38:38 * zsoc can speak russian in french Oct 03 03:39:36 erm Oct 03 03:40:03 hey punzada Oct 03 03:40:12 hiya Oct 03 03:40:20 i wanna log into irssi Oct 03 03:40:27 but i dont wanna sign on as my back door name Oct 03 03:40:32 should i just add another user Oct 03 03:40:34 as my nick Oct 03 03:40:39 like add a folder 'flazer' Oct 03 03:40:40 yup, that would be easiest Oct 03 03:40:42 will that work Oct 03 03:40:43 aight Oct 03 03:40:49 adduser flazer Oct 03 03:40:53 mkdir /home/flazer Oct 03 03:40:57 basically should cover it Oct 03 03:41:08 ok thanks Oct 03 03:41:12 i wasn't 100% sure about the adduser Oct 03 03:41:36 i think theres a flag to generate the home directory automatically Oct 03 03:41:41 i forget off the top of my head though Oct 03 03:42:02 dustifer: you're me about 5 hours ago :P Oct 03 03:42:02 upgraded my internet tonight. Oct 03 03:43:02 tlzzz: you're me about 5 hours ago :P Oct 03 03:43:02 upgraded my internet tonight. Oct 03 03:43:09 ok adduser automatically creates that dir Oct 03 03:43:25 just also install screen if you want Oct 03 03:43:36 because within screen irssi displays colors properly Oct 03 03:45:50 i'm a little confused right now Oct 03 03:45:53 i know irssi will work Oct 03 03:45:59 but i'm going through my dirs Oct 03 03:46:07 and my original suser Oct 03 03:46:10 the first one i created Oct 03 03:46:13 is in /home/var/ Oct 03 03:46:14 is that right Oct 03 03:46:22 /var/home/ Oct 03 03:46:29 so its like /var/home/user Oct 03 03:46:34 yeah Oct 03 03:46:39 its linked to /home/ Oct 03 03:46:43 they're the same dir Oct 03 03:47:06 meh, wasted my night on filenames :/ Oct 03 03:47:12 i must have screwed something up though Oct 03 03:47:22 bc when i ls in /var/home Oct 03 03:47:24 i see Oct 03 03:47:30 root and sth Oct 03 03:47:34 sth is my user Oct 03 03:48:16 then in my /home Oct 03 03:48:19 i have flazer and root Oct 03 03:48:22 oh Oct 03 03:48:28 maybe they arent linked i just assumed they were Oct 03 03:48:42 now i'm gonna get hax0redz Oct 03 03:48:52 but i guess thats why theres the doctor Oct 03 03:49:02 tharris-, it's all about the dedication :) Oct 03 03:49:17 this quilt-bootstrap.sh is pausing indefinately on "Installing git: " .. any ideas? Oct 03 03:49:22 meh, but i only have one unpublished bug...... Oct 03 03:49:25 need more Oct 03 03:50:11 i am just doing low hanging fruit right now Oct 03 03:50:37 decided to fuzz every registered file handle for filename size Oct 03 03:51:48 and my phone is pissed cause the emu reboots on every call to "close" Oct 03 03:51:58 tharris-, you mean you only have 1 zero day on a smartphone used by hundreds of thousands of people? wow you do suck ;) Oct 03 03:52:05 lol Oct 03 03:52:11 it is not that great Oct 03 03:52:21 last one was good Oct 03 03:54:08 can you make a fork bomb in fortran? Oct 03 03:54:20 heh no Oct 03 03:54:22 tharris-, last one was crazy super D: Oct 03 03:54:37 never did fortran, yeah last one was pimp Oct 03 03:55:02 i meant 'you' as a universal you, as in, is it possible for one to make :) Oct 03 03:55:10 dunno Oct 03 03:55:24 fork is not universal Oct 03 03:55:31 could someone link the patch that takes away the rounded corners Oct 03 03:55:35 on the screen Oct 03 03:55:37 like on windows it is not true in nature Oct 03 03:58:07 bah, windows Oct 03 03:58:16 i really wish pkgconfig could cross compile Oct 03 03:58:29 any ideas on why quilt-bootstrap.sh is pausing indefinately on "Installing git: " on my pre? Oct 03 03:58:32 * zsoc wonders if pkgconfig has active maintainers he could bother Oct 03 04:00:02 the answer is an astounding no Oct 03 04:00:42 well, there is one current maintainer, i can't pronounce his name, and the last commit was over a year ago Oct 03 04:01:25 punzada ;) Oct 03 04:01:32 thx Oct 03 04:01:34 :P Oct 03 04:01:41 no problem, glad to see it's running Oct 03 04:01:48 noice Oct 03 04:02:06 :D Oct 03 04:05:51 hmmm Oct 03 04:06:02 after i got done using mytether, i turned it off Oct 03 04:06:08 and it wouldnt load any website, or send any email Oct 03 04:06:14 said i had to turn on networking Oct 03 04:06:30 but it was connected to wifi, and then i turned off wifi and had evdo on, still no luck Oct 03 04:07:28 Did you reboot your phone? Oct 03 04:08:32 no Oct 03 04:08:39 no reason to ever reboot your phone Oct 03 04:08:47 tlzzz, restarting java services should fix that Oct 03 04:09:09 phone has mem leaks, rebooting is not a bad idea from time to time Oct 03 04:09:09 Dude, I'm a windows user. Rebooting is the answer to EVERYTHING. Oct 03 04:09:43 tharris-, quiet you, you're the only one forcing overflows all over the place. the average user doesn't need to for the average problem :P Oct 03 04:10:02 lol Oct 03 04:10:26 sadly i know of only two others looking into the sercurity of the pre Oct 03 04:14:02 how do i mount my pre on the desktop Oct 03 04:15:14 with a touchstone? Oct 03 04:15:19 har har Oct 03 04:16:04 i do love the touchstone though :] Oct 03 04:29:01 anyone have time for a dumb question? Is it possible that WebOS 2.0 re-writes /etc/passwd? Oct 03 04:31:02 2.0? Oct 03 04:31:10 err, 1.2, sorry Oct 03 04:31:52 I can't log in with the name I setup when I originally "rooted" Oct 03 04:32:21 crank up novaterm and reset it? Oct 03 04:33:22 I have a terminal installed on my phone, so I was planning to do that, but... I can't find the old instructions on the wiki :( Oct 03 04:33:49 it's wrapped up into the bootstrap.sh I think, and I'm not awesome at Linux user management : Oct 03 04:34:41 you can get in in the terminal app as root ok? just use: passwd YourOldUserName Oct 03 04:35:31 unknown user myOldUserName Oct 03 04:36:45 flare576, i've seen that before, just make it again with addusr Oct 03 04:36:52 it seems people are having issues having lost their old users Oct 03 04:37:09 3rd or 4th case i've seen. not sure what causes it, someone else might know more. i didn't experience it. Oct 03 04:37:17 there we go! addusr -h /var/home/Name Name || MYUSR="" ? Oct 03 04:37:38 i'm not sure if all the syntax is neccesary, but sure, looks right Oct 03 04:38:17 hello there Oct 03 04:38:19 just what I found in the bootstrap.sh Oct 03 04:38:24 I just got referred here by Corq Oct 03 04:38:36 DrDemento, i'm sorry to hear that Oct 03 04:39:36 er... why exactly? Oct 03 04:40:03 zsoc: was just saying hi and making sure someone would listen is all. You know how some IRC channels can be with newbies. Oct 03 04:40:23 FLAME THE NEWBIE! Oct 03 04:40:32 I mean.. the other one... not me. Oct 03 04:40:53 zsoc: last week 1.2.0 pushed to my phone, and I installed. Things seemed well, and it looked like my hacks/patches survived Oct 03 04:41:17 this story is going to end sad Oct 03 04:41:20 Then yesterday, I got a notification that 1.2.0 was ready to install. I was curious, so I told it to insatll Oct 03 04:41:25 nah it's not sad, not yet anyway Oct 03 04:41:55 I installed... the LED notification was still turned on but the switch itself was gone Oct 03 04:42:03 so I went to fix it, but my linux passwords were gone Oct 03 04:42:12 your problem is not uncommon Oct 03 04:42:15 So I got back in and recreated them Oct 03 04:42:16 hey hey, welcome to the club DrDemento ! Oct 03 04:42:20 flare: hehe Oct 03 04:42:26 flare576, did you also "update twice"? Oct 03 04:42:32 3 times actually Oct 03 04:42:33 Recreated the passwords, then fixed the hacks, and added a few more Oct 03 04:42:51 A few minutes ago, after talking to corq on Twitter, it's telling me it wants to install AGAIN Oct 03 04:42:52 There we have it. Let the record/log show. All who 'updated twice' or more, had their users erased. Oct 03 04:43:04 DrDemento, donm Oct 03 04:43:05 I'm not updating again. Oct 03 04:43:07 i updated twice, but my users stayed Oct 03 04:43:08 DrDemento, don't do it? Oct 03 04:43:13 :s Oct 03 04:43:20 flare576, liar Oct 03 04:43:31 flazer is the liar Oct 03 04:43:32 Whatever hacks you are installing might be putting something in a bad state? Oct 03 04:43:37 zsoc: I agree with you ;) Oct 03 04:43:40 :O Oct 03 04:43:57 maybe i am unintentionally lying lol Oct 03 04:44:04 but i dont think i lost anything Oct 03 04:44:28 ... what does a double pipe do on the comand line? Oct 03 04:44:40 flare576, what doesn't it do, really? Oct 03 04:44:56 Oddly enough, that tells me nothing! ;) Oct 03 04:45:19 flare576, if the thing before the || works, the thing after it never happens Oct 03 04:45:36 Also something to note, prior to this the only hacks I had was the LED hack, and I added that manually Oct 03 04:45:37 Ah, so I don't need the last bit of this adduser -h /var/home/$MYUSER $MYUSER || MYUSER="" Oct 03 04:45:38 like a super simple if, sort of Oct 03 04:45:57 ~seen Ikyo Oct 03 04:46:00 ikyo was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 28d 6m 3s ago, saying: 'see if you have a toggle for blinkalerts'. Oct 03 04:46:01 This last time, I installed the hacks using Preware Oct 03 04:46:03 flare576, in this case it'll make no difference. you do know you have to replace $MYUSER with a username right? Oct 03 04:46:12 zsoc: yup! Oct 03 04:46:16 kk :) Oct 03 04:46:16 zsoc: thank you very much Oct 03 04:46:20 np Oct 03 04:46:39 Here's a screenshot if anyone cares: http://www.twitpic.com/k1ude it shows 1.2.0 is there Oct 03 04:46:43 DrDemento, _how_ you patched should make very little difference Oct 03 04:46:45 But if I do an update, it'll tell me it wants to install again Oct 03 04:46:55 zsoc: oh I realize that, just trying to outline everything is all Oct 03 04:47:49 fyi: I believe the only files I altered between patch 1 and patch 2 was the 5x4 icon page Oct 03 04:47:50 Is it possible there's a bit somewhere that didn't get set that says yes it's installed or no it's not? Oct 03 04:48:01 fl;are: yeah I just put up 5x4 myself, I *love* that hack Oct 03 04:48:19 DrDemento, if there is, i don't know about it.. you might want to hang around and see if any of the geniuses show up Oct 03 04:48:24 that MIGHT be what's kickin off our back-to-back updates... Oct 03 04:48:34 zsoc: great, another chat to hang out in ;) Oct 03 04:48:48 also the 5x4 thing is a good place to start Oct 03 04:48:54 I'm an old IRC guy though, I first went onto efnet in '92 or so hehe Oct 03 04:48:56 i use 4x4 and have no issues Oct 03 04:49:19 zsoc: I got the 2nd update request before I used 4x4 or 5x4 Oct 03 04:49:22 hrm... I just use the 4x4 mod and fix 4 or 5 pieces of the code :/ Oct 03 04:54:13 oil ping Oct 03 04:58:25 If I want to "fix" a patch on gitorious and post it so others can benefit, should I maintain the same name if it offers the same functionality? Oct 03 04:58:51 what patch and yes Oct 03 04:59:03 the 4x4 patch could be improved Oct 03 04:59:14 few spacing tweaks Oct 03 05:02:29 somebody broke my preware Oct 03 05:02:38 2 reboots and still ipkgservice reported as not running! Oct 03 05:03:25 did it work before? Oct 03 05:03:37 egaudet: welcome to the club. If you check you're probably missing your logins as well. Oct 03 05:04:12 that is one thing I haven't tried though, rebooting to see if the update still wants to install Oct 03 05:04:12 preware never stopped working for me Oct 03 05:04:14 nope logins still there thankfully Oct 03 05:04:33 My only concern is that it might reinstall in the night while I'm asleep or something Oct 03 05:04:36 DrDemento: yeah, it does :/ It actually says it'll do it next restart no matter what Oct 03 05:04:44 it's a dick like that Oct 03 05:06:10 flare: what's also interesting is after I installed 1.2.0 before, I went into updates and it said none were available for like a day Oct 03 05:06:26 Which is why I'm starting to suspect perhaps Palm is pushing it down when they detect hacks are installed Oct 03 05:07:09 yup, same here, I checked and it was like "yup, you're cool" Oct 03 05:07:29 but i doubt the Palm Big Brother Oct 03 05:08:21 anyone help with this? trying to install the 4x4 patch via preware.. getting "error installing [4]" Oct 03 05:08:28 flare: yeah I'd hate to think Palm would do that, but it is a possibility Oct 03 05:08:40 So do I dare reboot? Oct 03 05:10:24 only if you've uninstalled your patches ;0 Oct 03 05:10:59 hmm, my phone keeps rebooting... Oct 03 05:11:21 Lurker what were you patching? Oct 03 05:11:50 nothing at the time Oct 03 05:12:10 is it rebooting CONTINUOUSLY ? Oct 03 05:12:14 over and over and over? Oct 03 05:12:28 if so, you have a damaged framework or a json file Oct 03 05:12:31 boots up, and about 30 seconds later, reboot Oct 03 05:12:38 ahhhh Oct 03 05:12:42 Taking teh reboot plunge. Wish me luck. Oct 03 05:12:52 godspeed sir Oct 03 05:13:10 pull the battery, put 2 pieces of scotch tape along the top edge away from the connectors, and re-insert it forcing it in against the tape. Oct 03 05:13:19 and try it again.... Oct 03 05:15:44 It's still booting but it made the notification sound. That's weird. Oct 03 05:16:05 ah ok, the sound was because it's telling me there's a palm system update available Oct 03 05:16:17 "just a friendly reminder!" Oct 03 05:16:22 So it survived the reboot without installing Oct 03 05:16:34 \o/ Oct 03 05:26:39 dug: are you the same dug from EFnet and #classic/#rgvc? Oct 03 05:28:53 random question... anyone here play marvel ultimate alliance 2? Oct 03 05:29:51 random answer: nobody in the world plays marvel ultimate alliance 2 Oct 03 05:29:56 lol Oct 03 05:29:58 sorry :P Oct 03 05:30:19 hehe Oct 03 05:30:48 my friend is trying to find a code for juggernaut... cuz gamestop f'ed him Oct 03 05:35:09 DrDemento: no, sorry. Oct 03 05:35:48 I think I already know the answer, but is there any way to recover a SSH passphrase? Oct 03 05:36:18 dug: no prob :) Oct 03 05:36:34 flare576: I certainly hope not. Oct 03 05:36:43 flare576, why not just generate a new key with a new passphrase and overwrite the old key? Oct 03 05:37:29 damn ubuntu! Oct 03 05:37:34 psykoz: yup, that's what I'm going to do; I was going to submit patches but never actually got around to doing it after making the key; totally forgot what I used Oct 03 05:37:42 My laptop fan won't turn off Oct 03 05:38:27 dbsooner: hold the power button down until it turns off Oct 03 05:43:07 nice trick DrDemento Oct 03 05:44:30 dbsooner: modern power supplies are great ;) Oct 03 05:44:45 It was a joke. ;) Oct 03 05:45:01 dbsooner: I took a bet. It could have gone either way. Oct 03 05:45:09 lol Oct 03 05:59:05 are there any known problems with the email app? Oct 03 05:59:12 I found a bug in the stock email app Oct 03 06:00:26 what's the bug? Oct 03 06:02:29 they use this.accounts when I think they meant accounts in _updateAccountsInfo() Oct 03 06:02:41 causing error Oct 03 06:08:06 what key is "key 190"? Oct 03 06:12:44 is this pretty much dead now? Oct 03 06:12:59 nope Oct 03 06:13:44 used to be all bustling in here. Oct 03 06:13:52 shhh Oct 03 06:13:54 they're working! Oct 03 06:14:48 its all private now? Oct 03 06:15:15 no idea, I always get answers when I come in here Oct 03 06:15:28 and i usually see ideas fly occasionally Oct 03 06:17:18 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/206709-bug-email-app.html Oct 03 07:01:36 egaudet, lol and we told you you would have to tell him about case-sensitivity. Oct 03 07:02:08 thank you all for your efforts, (see my posts in the 1.2 official patches thread) and good night! Oct 03 07:02:22 egaudet (re: Myavatar) Oct 03 07:02:33 :P yea Oct 03 07:02:57 good night Oct 03 07:06:30 did he really? Oct 03 07:06:35 omg I so called that Oct 03 07:08:19 YEP Oct 03 07:08:37 * hmagoo is not here Oct 03 07:08:50 lol Oct 03 07:08:50 night Oct 03 07:09:34 :: sigh:: I'm sorry I have to keep asking questions, but I'm following this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches and I don't see how to tell openssh where to find my certs. I got them onto my Pre from my PC, but not sure where/what to call them. Oct 03 07:10:13 whoa you guys didn't get to post your own debut? lol http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/206625-preware-autopatch-feed-available.html Oct 03 07:11:28 lol, emoney, No and Yes Oct 03 07:12:08 "hi" lol Oct 03 07:12:12 rofl Oct 03 07:16:12 too much fun in that one... Oct 03 07:18:46 hrm... It's times like this, when I know I'm missing something trivial and obvious, that I get frustrated :( Oct 03 07:22:44 hah Oct 03 07:22:58 the mytether guy has gpl v2 code in his project Oct 03 07:24:41 Hey all.... nothing seems to be documented for 1.2.1 ... did everyone update w/o removing their tweaks/ect? Oct 03 07:25:11 s/ect/etc.../ Oct 03 07:25:11 MLJ meant: Hey all.... nothing seems to be documented for 1.2.1 ... did everyone update w/o removing their tweaks/etc...? Oct 03 07:25:58 1.2.1 is out? Oct 03 07:26:10 Gimme gimme gimme! Oct 03 07:26:11 Yup Oct 03 07:26:12 just got it Oct 03 07:26:31 * Release date: 2 October 2009 New applications NONE Feature changes to existing applications Email Oct 03 07:26:45 * Resolved an issue where after installing the 1.2.0 webOS update some customers running Exchange 2007 could no longer synchronize with their Exchange account for Email, Calendar, Contacts, and Tasks. System Oct 03 07:26:53 Well I'll be damned Oct 03 07:26:54 * Resolves an issue preventing media sync from working with latest version of iTunes (9.0.1). * Media sync now synchronizes photo albums, maintaining the album structure in the Photos app. * Media sync now allows for synchronizing photos without requiring the full-resolution originals. This provides faster display of high-quality full-screen images and enables users to store more photos on the phone. Oct 03 07:27:06 Web * Resolved an issue where if a user tried to play streaming music or video, the media stream might drop out or have a long delay before starting Oct 03 07:27:30 Security This release implements several security fixes, including the following: * Addresses a security issue encountered by webkit developers. This issue did not impact end users. Individuals interested in contacting Palm to report suspected security issues can find more information at palm.com/security Oct 03 07:28:37 http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#121 Oct 03 07:29:16 So there are no issues with webos-internals patches... and the alike? Oct 03 07:29:46 Pretty odd that Palm would release at this time of the day... Oct 03 07:33:31 yeah! right in the middle of me trying to create a 5x4 patch! Oct 03 07:33:52 hrm Oct 03 07:34:16 is there more to the mojo framework than /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo ? Oct 03 07:37:06 So should we be removing all the autofeed patches? before install ? Doesn't seem like many of them should be affected. Oct 03 07:37:33 can't say for anyone else, but I _Always_ remove every patch I made before updating Oct 03 07:37:39 better safe than sorry Oct 03 07:38:14 flare576: I have always too.. however this update seems to be awfully minute... Oct 03 07:38:32 only takes 1 file to go fubar Oct 03 07:39:14 True... Oct 03 07:39:37 and which will take more time, uninstalling a few patches, or recovery process? Oct 03 07:40:34 Well the ERP app will remove all of patches in a matter of seconds so time I suppose is not an issue. Oct 03 07:40:35 just epr really quick Oct 03 07:40:45 lol Oct 03 07:41:11 SMKOUT333: I suppose you did the ERP before the update? Oct 03 07:41:38 always as with flare Oct 03 07:41:57 just in case anyone is looking now that wasn't before: I need help getting my public/private keys setup on the Pre: I created them with Puttygen, got them on the Pre, but don't know where they go for openssh to find 'em Oct 03 07:41:58 except every update prior to this I always doctored EVERY time :P Oct 03 07:42:25 oil, whats you opinion? Oct 03 07:43:28 s/you/your Oct 03 07:43:46 awww, no infobot love :( Oct 03 07:43:52 s/you/your/ Oct 03 07:43:52 MLJ meant: s/your/your Oct 03 07:44:03 lol Oct 03 07:44:19 seems to be the theme of the evening. Oct 03 07:44:51 I'm going to be sad if this patch breaks my Exchange connection Oct 03 07:45:00 well.... scratch that, my boss will be sad Oct 03 07:45:36 The update doesn't seem to include anything I'm interested in so I'm in no rush. Oct 03 07:46:15 led and disable tone patch no longer work Oct 03 07:46:16 :( Oct 03 07:46:48 really? Oct 03 07:46:53 Honestly, I can hardly believe anyone is still around to push the update @ Palm Oct 03 07:46:57 maybe led is default? Oct 03 07:47:19 the phone noalert patch? Oct 03 07:48:04 or disable charging tones? Oct 03 07:48:50 ? Oct 03 07:49:02 LED enable worked for me via quilt Oct 03 07:49:24 "enable-led-notifications" right? Oct 03 07:49:26 I think the System section of the update notes might be why disable charging tones doesn't work, if that is what SMKOUT333is referring to Oct 03 07:49:34 flare576: yeah Oct 03 07:50:43 hmm, anyone have any problems with EPR? think I might use it. Oct 03 07:50:56 im not touching 1.2.1 right now Oct 03 07:51:07 I'm afraid it will touch itself ;) Oct 03 07:51:53 and my patch works to! gleeee Oct 03 07:51:53 lol Oct 03 07:51:56 dBsooner: meh, maybe you could use *some* of that.. not sure. anyways, http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/206670-give-patches-discussion-threads.html Oct 03 07:52:01 no to figure out ssh :( Oct 03 07:52:45 hmagoo: I just finished writing descriptions for every patch Oct 03 07:52:58 plus you're supposed to be in bed. Oct 03 07:56:09 Yeh I suppose I'm off to bed w/o an update... I still can't believe the update got pushed so late in the evening/morning... Oct 03 07:56:52 shh you Oct 03 07:56:55 "Here at Palm, we have a 'Push it when it's ready' attitude. Of course, we also have a 'Your ass stays until it's finished' policy!" Oct 03 07:57:52 ... They'd have to pay me 3x to stay at work this late if I was use to leaving at 3-4 or even 5. Oct 03 07:58:43 or it was set to autopush Oct 03 07:58:43 ;) Oct 03 07:59:11 ha doubt it.... Oct 03 07:59:13 shh, you, sto p making sense Oct 03 07:59:23 s/sto p/stop/ Oct 03 07:59:23 flare576 meant: shh, you, stop making sense Oct 03 08:00:06 I am Evil Oct 03 08:00:14 s/I am Evil/ / Oct 03 08:00:14 hmagoo meant: Oct 03 08:00:30 should have replaced it with <.< >.> Oct 03 08:01:24 its got a lot of commands Oct 03 08:02:42 Did you upgrade? Oct 03 08:02:58 * oil just did Oct 03 08:03:08 ok, so I need to make the certs ~/.ssh/id_rsa and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub it looks like, but running the debug gives "No auth methods could be used" .... Oct 03 08:03:18 I assume with everything installed (o i l)? Oct 03 08:04:02 no Oct 03 08:04:04 i removed patches Oct 03 08:04:25 but really, i only had 4x4 Oct 03 08:05:06 :: sigh:: which is one of the two I'm trying to work on :'( Oct 03 08:05:38 everything works right now, sigh, guess I will try something, my inclincation is to remove them one by one. Oct 03 08:05:43 I see... I'm still pretty confused on what ERP does... basically as if ERP or removing each patch one y one woudl be better. Oct 03 08:05:57 MLJ: I'm with you on that Oct 03 08:06:11 EPR uses information logged by autopatch Oct 03 08:06:23 reverts all to originals Oct 03 08:06:51 am I bad for thinking fifth element everytime i see browser "multi" patch Oct 03 08:06:54 ;) Oct 03 08:06:56 MULTI PASS Oct 03 08:06:57 which should be exactly what I want... Oct 03 08:07:21 no, not bad Oct 03 08:07:29 just a dork? Oct 03 08:07:35 no Oct 03 08:09:48 Pros and cons of going to bed or to update... oh that is the question... Oct 03 08:10:04 hm perhaps the second 1.2 update was 1.2.1 Oct 03 08:10:04 uh Oct 03 08:10:15 1.2.1 will be there in the morning Oct 03 08:10:25 but thousands of other people will be trying to get it also Oct 03 08:10:37 i wont Oct 03 08:10:40 Robi_: on Palmcast they guessed that maybe update wasn't validating right with something on your system and wanted to replace more than just the 1.2 update Oct 03 08:10:43 ask rick, it took like 50 times to get .0 Oct 03 08:10:46 I'm well aware of that.. however I have no time to fool around with the Dr tomorrow. Oct 03 08:11:41 * hmagoo abuses preware into removing too many patches Oct 03 08:12:15 oil, stay away from the keyboard ;) Oct 03 08:12:32 ? Oct 03 08:12:37 oil: any idea what time patch creators (with patience, god knows they'll need it) might be around tomorrow to help a new patch writer get setup? Oct 03 08:12:52 no clue Oct 03 08:12:54 don't mess with preware while I'm doing this. :p Oct 03 08:13:37 ok. The instructions have a gap, and I don't have the Linux know-how to fill it apparently. Oct 03 08:14:46 * oil wishes stargate universe would download faster so he could watch of it Oct 03 08:16:42 if I remove 30 patches, upgrade and install 30 patches, I'll be amazed if I don't have any errors Oct 03 08:16:47 and probably bored Oct 03 08:18:15 forgoing bed and updating to webos 1.2.1 Oct 03 08:21:59 Alright I'm done... best of luck updating all :) Oct 03 08:22:57 just removed 31 patches one by one, very quickly. surely you don't have to uninstall every one, but lets see if it works. Oct 03 08:24:03 Anyone else get 1.2.1 installed yet? Oct 03 08:24:10 here. Oct 03 08:24:13 * oil has it Oct 03 08:24:17 here Oct 03 08:24:22 hmagoo: Any Update would be greatly appreciated... But i'm honestly out.. send me a ping if you can remember and i'll check it in the morning... Night all Oct 03 08:25:19 i uninstalled 24 patches using epr, installed the update, reinstalled the patches and everything works. Oct 03 08:25:49 cool Oct 03 08:25:53 k Oct 03 08:26:54 Was 1.2.1 released today? (or yesterday?) and any significant changes? Oct 03 08:27:21 epr? Oct 03 08:27:54 http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#121 Oct 03 08:28:04 itunes sync and fix for exchange issues Oct 03 08:28:21 Emergency Patch Recovery Oct 03 08:28:38 twosted: I didn't see anything about iTunes in there Oct 03 08:28:46 ha, itunes is back? how did they do it this time? Oct 03 08:30:26 twosted, what is epr? Oct 03 08:30:47 It's right there under system "Resolves an issue preventing media sync from working with latest version of iTunes (9.0.1)." Oct 03 08:31:24 Prehero: Emergency Patch Recovery Oct 03 08:31:47 twosted: wow. My eyes are broken after trying to figure out ssh all night :( Oct 03 08:32:13 Me too, lol Oct 03 08:32:32 being a linux n00b sucks :( Oct 03 08:32:37 iTunes sync? :) Palm really is just saying f'u apple eh? Oct 03 08:33:30 <3 the battle Oct 03 08:34:26 I wonder how long it takes the people at apple to block the pre, only to see thier hard work obliterated by Palm in a matter of hours or days. Oct 03 08:34:58 lol Oct 03 08:35:01 its probably relatively easy Oct 03 08:35:10 eventually the pre will act JUST like an ipod Oct 03 08:35:23 and disabling it would disable syncing with all ipods Oct 03 08:35:27 I think the next developer mode enabling code is going to be stfuapplepre=ipod Oct 03 08:35:50 hmagoo: lol Oct 03 08:36:05 pre>apple Oct 03 08:36:09 man why does flickr have to make logging in such a PITA Oct 03 08:36:33 Y! Oct 03 08:37:52 oh hello alternative method to get token Oct 03 08:39:18 alright, I give up. I'm going to bed in the hopes that tomorrow someone who can help me will be available :( Oct 03 08:42:13 * oil goes and makes a sandwich Oct 03 08:45:48 anyone else having problems getting preware to load? mine is getting stuck on updating... Oct 03 08:46:19 * oil isnt Oct 03 08:46:50 oil, Ice Wine!! Kiona Ice Riesling/Chenin Blanc would be nice right now. Oct 03 08:46:51 rebooting again lol Oct 03 08:50:15 38MB? Oct 03 08:50:45 they use voice commands? Oct 03 08:51:07 ok, preware is actually stuck on checking version... Oct 03 08:51:16 is it a video telling you how to update? ;) Oct 03 08:52:38 Prehero: how did you install Preware? Oct 03 08:53:21 PreHero, close and open? Oct 03 08:53:31 with quick install about 4 weeks ago? Oct 03 08:54:29 have you updated package manager service or preware since then? Oct 03 08:54:51 yes, opened and closed, rebooted twice. yes, i am running version 9.1 with the latest package manager Oct 03 08:56:55 was working earlier today (yesterday lol) i updated a couple of apps just fine Oct 03 09:01:34 MLJ, my update said your phone theme looked better say it was going to leave it intact. :p Oct 03 09:01:45 s/say/so/ Oct 03 09:01:45 hmagoo meant: MLJ, my update said your phone theme looked better so it was going to leave it intact. :p Oct 03 09:02:09 Prehero: I would suggest a uninstall/reinstall of both preware and package manager service. Oct 03 09:10:45 how would i reinstall it? quick install is not compatable currently with the new updates Oct 03 09:11:57 ... Oct 03 09:12:03 quick install IS compatible Oct 03 09:12:08 You can install apps with quick install. You just can't install tweaks or themes. Oct 03 09:12:13 the tweaks in quick install are what doesn't work Oct 03 09:12:38 themes works, but I would make sure the theme is from the last few days. Oct 03 09:12:56 i dont think any pc themes will work Oct 03 09:13:02 no Oct 03 09:13:09 has jason updated the theme creating app thing? Oct 03 09:13:16 they prob don't, and aren't available Oct 03 09:13:32 idk Oct 03 09:13:53 even if he did, he still prob declares it not compatible yet Oct 03 09:14:46 "Fix Bug in Email App" I bet egaudet did that, and I'm not sure if they might have addressed that right now. Oct 03 09:14:50 new patch Oct 03 09:16:54 thought quick install the complete program wasnt compatable bc of a connection issue with novacom...i need to keep up more lol Oct 03 09:20:23 everytime I install a patch the list "shuffles" Oct 03 09:25:29 that did the trick, removed and reinstalled, its loading up good now...wonder what happened. Oct 03 09:26:27 magic Oct 03 09:26:39 ifm Oct 03 09:26:51 "shuffles"? Oct 03 09:27:02 if you have "installed as available" set to no Oct 03 09:27:04 after you install someting Oct 03 09:27:07 and go back to the list Oct 03 09:27:10 it hides that app Oct 03 09:27:13 i mean Oct 03 09:27:15 patch Oct 03 09:27:21 I noticed that also. Oct 03 09:27:23 I had installed available set to yes Oct 03 09:27:36 so it adds the little icon Oct 03 09:27:36 maybe because they are all in "this week"? Oct 03 09:27:45 It does hide the app but it reshuffles the list Oct 03 09:27:53 could be Oct 03 09:28:27 oil, I could have sworn it changed the order up completely Oct 03 09:29:47 it could be because the modified date is exactly the same Oct 03 09:30:00 so the date sort function just does its best Oct 03 09:30:23 I'm out Oct 03 09:32:20 couldn't get roam only patch to install, going to try and uninstall roam control and do them in reverse order. Oct 03 09:33:18 maybe I have that backwards Oct 03 09:34:46 you actually use the roam only thing? Oct 03 09:34:52 nope, but it is backwards on my phone Oct 03 09:35:10 roam only, yeah, get full service in my house with that Oct 03 09:36:16 hrmm Oct 03 09:37:46 it says roam only is available, and it is in effect, and roam control is installed and it isn't.. Oct 03 09:38:28 but you dont get evdo? Oct 03 09:38:49 right, but i have wifi, get 1x Oct 03 09:39:26 both uninstalled now, wondering which one goes first Oct 03 09:42:38 something is funky with these two patches Oct 03 09:43:12 roam control patch says description "enables roam only option in phone preferences" that is roam only patch Oct 03 09:43:54 roam only patch description says ??? Oct 03 09:44:22 roam control is the patch for the dropdown main menu Oct 03 09:45:06 gonna do a git pull and look at them Oct 03 09:47:15 geesh what happened Oct 03 09:49:29 think something is borked in git Oct 03 10:00:05 confused Oct 03 10:06:30 hmm, think I am confused, looking for homebrew roam app.. ? Oct 03 10:28:15 could have sworn I had roam control in the dropdown main menu, maybe .. not? Oct 03 10:41:40 I would like to blame someone else for the last twenty lines. Oct 03 10:41:47 * hmagoo runs Oct 03 11:06:09 whats good Oct 03 11:06:16 roam control is available. Oct 03 11:07:13 purhaps the update was the issue? Oct 03 11:07:45 roam control works Oct 03 11:08:14 and you should really have it installed if you use the roam toggle app, or you might have problems Oct 03 11:58:23 google working? Oct 03 11:58:50 I'm having connection issues too Oct 03 11:58:57 cant ping it or microsoft Oct 03 11:59:27 or cnn Oct 03 11:59:44 or novell.com Oct 03 11:59:53 all west coast? Oct 03 11:59:53 yahoo works, but I think I have it on verizon or something Oct 03 12:00:24 http://www.vip.sp1.yahoo.com/ Oct 03 12:01:28 err, 69.147.114.224 Oct 03 12:01:43 hey, im on the west coast Oct 03 12:02:12 can you google? Oct 03 12:02:21 yes Oct 03 12:02:30 me too Oct 03 12:03:41 back up Oct 03 12:04:17 oil, can you ping microsoft Oct 03 12:04:36 I can;t Oct 03 12:04:50 no Oct 03 12:04:56 but i can visit the website Oct 03 12:05:31 yes, I can too. Now I can't remember if they block pings. :( Oct 03 12:08:48 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=internet+backbone+status&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5_____enUS343US343&ie=UTF-8 Oct 03 12:09:15 http://www.internetpulse.net/Main.aspx?Origin=San+Jose&Destination=Miami&Metric=TCP Oct 03 12:09:30 2.08% packet loss?!? Oct 03 12:09:33 OH NOES! Oct 03 12:10:24 heh Oct 03 12:10:48 the one I saw on that link was 25% Oct 03 12:13:16 whats the difference between the origonal and Jasons version of the 4x4 app launcher? Oct 03 12:14:04 think he just tweaked it, text looks smaller Oct 03 14:02:37 someone familiar with push/swap Scene please look in #webos Oct 03 14:26:37 anyone help with this? trying to install the 4x4 patch via preware.. getting "error installing [4]" Oct 03 14:28:50 which 4x4 patch? Oct 03 14:43:04 well Oct 03 14:44:00 So 1.2.1 landed. I'm wondering if 1.2.0 insisting on reinstalling yesterday was a symptom of that Oct 03 14:44:45 I'm going to plunge in and install 1.2.0 again and see if it gets 1.2.1 after Oct 03 14:44:58 This will be my 3rd 1.2.0 install Oct 03 14:46:35 1.2.1 is out? Oct 03 14:46:44 Yup dropped sometime during the night Oct 03 14:47:03 http://www.precentral.net/webos-121-lands-fixes-exchange-and-itunes Oct 03 14:47:10 puff: i tried both of them listed on preware Oct 03 14:47:27 they both give the same error Oct 03 14:47:31 We'll see what 1.2.0 breaks this time heh Oct 03 14:48:58 i tried 4x4 App Launcher, 4x4 App Launcher 2, and 5x4 App Launcher, they all gave the "Error Installing [4]" Oct 03 14:49:39 the ipkg log says Hunk #3 FAILED at 497. Oct 03 14:49:41 did webos doctor get updated too Oct 03 14:50:18 orly? there's no SDK change, though? Oct 03 14:51:10 wh0dat: you might have to reinstall the preware services Oct 03 14:51:19 sugardave: I have no clue about SDK Oct 03 14:51:33 DrDemento: installing other apps and patches work fine. Oct 03 14:51:33 DrDemento: k, thanks Oct 03 14:51:37 I'm looking Oct 03 14:51:42 but don't see anything about it Oct 03 14:53:26 interesting they pushed out 1.2.1 on saturday Oct 03 14:53:56 I'm seeing twitter updates at like midnight PST where ppl said it came down Oct 03 14:54:05 That's not fair, they pushed it out an hour after I went to bed hehehe Oct 03 14:54:17 Good thing they didn't do it earlier, I wouldn't have gotten any sleep last night Oct 03 15:05:44 Hello everyone Oct 03 15:08:08 morning Oct 03 15:08:19 booting 1.2.0 now, hoping it'll recognize 1.2.1 is out there Oct 03 15:09:01 mine updated without any problems Oct 03 15:09:10 wh0dat, my 4x4 Launcher 2 installed fine on 1.2.1. perhaps you need to run the EPR tool Oct 03 15:09:37 thats what i had to do Oct 03 15:10:30 EPR? Oct 03 15:10:39 emergency patch recovery Oct 03 15:10:58 its now in the patches section of Preware Oct 03 15:11:20 and will revert to the backed up version of you modified files and remove ALL patches Oct 03 15:12:35 patches and themes are all we have to back out of, right? Oct 03 15:12:45 yes Oct 03 15:13:15 Why is it that my vi on my pre does not go to command mode? Oct 03 15:13:49 thatdude: it does on mine, that's strange. What happens when you type : ? Oct 03 15:14:27 DrDemento: ? shows at the bottom left Oct 03 15:15:14 ok pre is booted. Now let's see what sort of mess we have. Oct 03 15:15:34 hacks are gone of course Oct 03 15:16:16 DrD Oct 03 15:16:26 did you just reflash to 1.2.0? Oct 03 15:16:28 interesting, this time around preware's not broken, perhaps there's hope Oct 03 15:16:48 flazer: Yes, I wasn't going to but 1.2.1 was released so I'm hoping when THAT updates, my problems will go away Oct 03 15:17:21 same. i just visited the doctor Oct 03 15:17:37 i have to do everything again Oct 03 15:17:42 which was my intention Oct 03 15:17:50 last night before i went to bed Oct 03 15:17:57 i just wasn't expecting 1.2.1 to drop so soon Oct 03 15:18:02 so we'll see how long this takes Oct 03 15:19:04 DrDemento: nano > vi Oct 03 15:19:10 * thatdude runs away with shame Oct 03 15:19:19 yeah that was weird flazer, I went to bed at 11, it looks like 1.2.1 came out around midnight (PST) Oct 03 15:19:51 brb Oct 03 15:20:21 exactly Oct 03 15:20:31 after 3 AM here i wasn't expecting something ilke this to happen Oct 03 15:20:36 sneaky bastards Oct 03 15:21:21 ack it looks like I can't ssh Oct 03 15:21:43 Ron0001: did patch reovery first, then tried 4x4 again. still "error installing [4]". Oct 03 15:22:01 here's my plan for the day then: reflash to 1.2.0, upgrade to 1.2.1, reinstall ssh, tweak Oct 03 15:22:42 flazer: yup that's my plan as well Oct 03 15:22:47 perhaps hang out here as I do :) Oct 03 15:22:55 sure Oct 03 15:23:09 i'm actually gonna jump in the shower now while its finishing flashing 1.2.0 Oct 03 15:23:13 so ttys Oct 03 15:23:23 I'm looking to see if it knows about 1.2.1 now Oct 03 15:23:47 i suspect the servers are overflowing now with greedy pre fiends Oct 03 15:23:52 heh yeah Oct 03 15:23:57 aha! Oct 03 15:24:02 ok cool it sees 1.2.1 downloading now Oct 03 15:24:09 is it supposed to only be 38MB? Oct 03 15:24:18 you're one step ahead of me Oct 03 15:24:21 yep thats the figure i saw Oct 03 15:24:27 its not a very big update Oct 03 15:24:33 1.2.0 was the big one Oct 03 15:24:51 flazer: initially it was, but in the re-installs I was getting, they were 38MB Oct 03 15:25:12 interesting Oct 03 15:25:23 which then makes me wonder, is it possible the pre was confusing .1 with .0 and that's why it kept trying to reinstall? of course .1 wasn't out there Oct 03 15:25:39 no Oct 03 15:25:43 def not Oct 03 15:26:02 oh wait i see what you're saying Oct 03 15:26:05 hm yeah thats odd Oct 03 15:26:18 The size is the same. I think the initial 1.2.0 install was 74MB Oct 03 15:26:30 no excuse me, it was 131MB or so wasn't it, I remember it was pretty big Oct 03 15:26:41 yeah i was in class when i got it Oct 03 15:26:46 and it took forever to download Oct 03 15:26:54 it was ~130 Oct 03 15:27:00 right Oct 03 15:27:18 come to think of it i got a second update too after 1.2.0 Oct 03 15:27:31 and it was significantly smaller Oct 03 15:27:31 I dled mine from work on wifw and it was still slow hehe Oct 03 15:27:32 weird Oct 03 15:27:50 flazer: ididn't get my 2nd update for a while, but it wiped out portions of things Oct 03 15:27:54 like all my logons Oct 03 15:28:17 you weren't the only one that happened to Oct 03 15:28:22 were you talking about that last night> Oct 03 15:28:34 i think i remember you saying that Oct 03 15:28:36 and thats weak Oct 03 15:28:40 haha Oct 03 15:28:54 I can't believe they are keeping up their itunes fight Oct 03 15:29:20 anyway I'm jus thappy 1.2.1 is coming down, hopefully no more of this Oct 03 15:29:23 i guess legally they have to because they said 'syncs with itunes' before it came out Oct 03 15:30:30 these servers are so bogged down :( Oct 03 15:33:00 DrD Oct 03 15:33:06 i can't sign into my palm profile Oct 03 15:33:12 so i'm gonna try one more time Oct 03 15:33:18 if it doesn't work i'm gonna go eat Oct 03 15:33:27 then i'll be back to fool with this Oct 03 15:37:20 hey the .patch files in get are just diff patches right Oct 03 15:37:20 ? Oct 03 15:38:51 they should be 'diff -urN' patches Oct 03 15:39:59 ok so diff -urN oldfile newfile Oct 03 15:40:00 ? Oct 03 15:40:09 sorry for being a noob about to update some patches Oct 03 15:41:16 yeah Oct 03 15:41:19 dammit, palm reenabled itunes sync. Oct 03 15:41:23 LMFAooo Oct 03 15:41:25 i was hoping they had ended it. Oct 03 15:41:27 i dont think tis gonna stop Oct 03 15:42:12 this one Apple is going to have to do some work to get around Oct 03 15:42:32 this whole battel is so stupid Oct 03 15:43:17 I refuese to use iTunes, so I just sit back and watch Oct 03 15:43:30 i use usenet :D Oct 03 15:43:39 i would never use a service like itunes Oct 03 15:44:23 i hate itunes. Oct 03 15:44:37 was my only complaint when i had an ipod touch. Oct 03 15:44:50 PuffTheMagic: hey when im creating the patches does it have to be on the phone so it keeps the same file structure Oct 03 15:44:50 ? Oct 03 15:45:06 yes and no Oct 03 15:45:07 I nevr synched my phone with itunes, but I must say, it's def my favorite music player Oct 03 15:45:32 atlanta: due to how autopatch works you need to preserve the file structure Oct 03 15:45:47 u can mimic it off the pre though Oct 03 15:45:58 atlanta: you should really just use git Oct 03 15:45:58 yea thats what i wanted to know Oct 03 15:46:08 extract a doctor image Oct 03 15:46:09 thats what im doing Oct 03 15:46:10 and get a userland Oct 03 15:46:12 and track ig Oct 03 15:46:30 u talking foreign to me now userland track ig Oct 03 15:46:31 lol Oct 03 15:46:40 ok 1.2.1 is installed. Wish me luck hehe Oct 03 15:46:44 ok i got the git cloned Oct 03 15:46:50 so how do i go about editing Oct 03 15:46:50 ? Oct 03 15:46:52 got the git cloned? Oct 03 15:46:56 wtf are U ta;ling about now Oct 03 15:47:29 atlanta: cd ; tar xvzf ; git init; git add .; git commit -a -m "seed" Oct 03 15:47:30 well i mean i pulled the modifications git Oct 03 15:47:35 im not talking about modifications Oct 03 15:48:05 if u do the commands i just mentioned u have a pre userland tracked with git Oct 03 15:48:08 then u can make changes Oct 03 15:48:12 and do git diff Oct 03 15:48:17 or commit them Oct 03 15:48:21 and do git show Oct 03 15:48:28 and see the diff Oct 03 15:48:35 oh your the man Oct 03 15:48:48 thanks bud Oct 03 15:48:55 you should even make a tag Oct 03 15:48:56 git 'r done Oct 03 15:49:00 after u extract the image Oct 03 15:49:04 then u can make new branches Oct 03 15:49:10 based on a clean version of the image Oct 03 15:49:21 and keep all your different patches clean from each other Oct 03 15:49:27 tag is like a snapshot? Oct 03 15:49:36 ehhhh Oct 03 15:49:42 so u can go back to clean Oct 03 15:49:42 ? Oct 03 15:49:43 a tag is just a marker Oct 03 15:49:49 yea same sense Oct 03 15:49:58 ok let me get the first part first Oct 03 15:50:03 instead of remembering a long commit id Oct 03 15:50:05 u can tag something Oct 03 15:50:09 and use a nice friendly name Oct 03 15:51:00 hey where did the 5x4 patch go? Oct 03 15:51:06 it's not showing up in preware Oct 03 15:51:58 uggggg Oct 03 15:52:01 i need food Oct 03 15:52:06 * PuffTheMagic still hungover Oct 03 15:52:46 * PuffTheMagic is thinking of a capicola, peperoni, onion, provalone sandwitch Oct 03 15:55:22 hah ok I'm dumb Oct 03 15:55:30 ssh wasn't broken, I was trying to use port 22. Duh. Oct 03 15:55:50 HOWEVER, my users are gone. Oct 03 16:03:53 uh-oh Oct 03 16:04:31 it thinks the patches are installed when they aren't working, and I can't remove them Oct 03 16:04:52 this iswhy i hate patches Oct 03 16:05:30 I might have to see the doctor Oct 03 16:05:45 lol Oct 03 16:08:37 I know why this happened, puff... I was having troubles with 1.2.0 downloading multiple times Oct 03 16:08:54 so I was never able to remove my patches Oct 03 16:14:27 you installed them through preware? Oct 03 16:15:39 the 2nd time, yeah Oct 03 16:15:53 the first time I got 1.2.0 I only had one patch, done manually Oct 03 16:15:53 1.2.1 removed my user as well Oct 03 16:16:09 ron0001: when 1.2.0 came down the 2nd time it wiped mine Oct 03 16:16:36 I didn't check then, could have been. Oct 03 16:16:37 Ron0001, wha? Oct 03 16:16:52 tlz: 1.2.0 came down three times for me. The first time I had a manual patch, the 2nd time the same, but the 3rd time I had some preware patches Oct 03 16:16:54 my terminal login Oct 03 16:17:12 hmmm, thats a bummer Oct 03 16:17:16 I wasn't going to install the 3rd time, but 1.2.1 came down. So I sort of had to. Oct 03 16:20:08 I still have terminal on the phone though Oct 03 16:20:14 Morning all Oct 03 16:24:36 egaudet: u up yet? Oct 03 16:26:03 morning Oct 03 16:31:54 yea Oct 03 16:31:56 i'm up now Oct 03 16:32:35 anyone got a link to 1.2.1 doc? Oct 03 16:33:27 i had one Oct 03 16:33:40 not worth updating for me Oct 03 16:34:05 http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#121 Oct 03 16:34:22 i just wanted to check their email change Oct 03 16:39:52 so 1.2.1 is basically just for itunes Oct 03 16:40:40 new patch? Oct 03 16:42:08 nm saw it Oct 03 16:44:17 puff: I sorta had no choice. Oct 03 16:47:50 now will they update the sdk? Oct 03 16:48:21 tharris: I don't see any reason not to Oct 03 16:48:58 here goes, 1.2.1 doctor Oct 03 16:49:43 nice screen-sized USB logo Oct 03 16:50:16 theres a 1.2.1 doctor now? Oct 03 16:50:16 lol Oct 03 16:50:22 flazer: it would appear so ;) Oct 03 16:50:39 can you link me to it? Oct 03 16:50:45 flazer: it's not like I want to run it, but the patches think they're installed but are gone Oct 03 16:51:00 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/205463-webos-doctor-1-2-1-also-updated.html Oct 03 16:51:01 hm Oct 03 16:51:18 wait Oct 03 16:51:21 i downloaded that Oct 03 16:51:24 its 1.2.0 Oct 03 16:51:29 " Okay so this post is incorrect. It was made before 1.2.1 was released on October 3, and so the link in the first post (unless it's been stealthily updated by Palm again) is 1.2, not 1.2.1. " Oct 03 16:51:32 ^last post Oct 03 16:51:37 by jhoff80 Oct 03 16:51:39 the link is to 1.2.1 it's different than the one directly on palm's site Oct 03 16:52:11 hey guys hows everything going Oct 03 16:52:14 and if it's the wrong one, I'm mid-process now anyway Oct 03 16:52:21 i just updated to the 1.2.1 update Oct 03 16:52:30 everything seems to be in tack Oct 03 16:52:33 i just used that one and it brought me to 1.2.0 Oct 03 16:52:34 it's build Sprint.108.171 Oct 03 16:52:40 so i did the OTA to 1.2.1 Oct 03 16:52:42 bsdbandit: in tack? Oct 03 16:52:46 and just started fresh Oct 03 16:53:19 yeah i lost my hack logo hacks though Oct 03 16:53:24 i need to get those bac Oct 03 16:53:24 k Oct 03 16:53:29 flazer: anyway after OTA 1.2.1, the patches appeared to be installed but weren't, and I couldn't uninstall/reinstall, they errored Oct 03 16:53:41 bsdbandit: I think the word you were looking for is "intact" Oct 03 16:53:51 oh i see Oct 03 16:54:17 i dont do a lot of the patches with preware Oct 03 16:54:24 i just go in on command line Oct 03 16:55:00 that was my first set of preware patches! Oct 03 16:55:25 after the 2nd time 1.2.0 came down I set up preware patches, prior to that it was all commandline Oct 03 16:55:50 lol that sucks it erased them all the second time :\ Oct 03 16:55:59 ? Oct 03 16:55:59 yes Oct 03 16:55:59 you are right Oct 03 16:55:59 is there a way to tune faster booting on the palm pre or enable verbose booting for that matter Oct 03 16:56:09 yeah... what's weird is preware thinks they're installed but obviously they aren't Oct 03 16:56:21 ping yeah Oct 03 16:56:23 its will man Oct 03 16:56:24 bsdbandit: when you do OS updates usually the first boot or two are real slow Oct 03 16:56:33 oh ok Oct 03 16:56:51 bsdbandit It's like when you update Windows, the first time you boot it has to configure things Oct 03 16:57:08 is there a way of enable verbose booting so you can see whats going on on the pre as it boots Oct 03 16:57:12 ? Oct 03 16:58:32 DrDemento, EPR Oct 03 17:01:16 egaudet: cloning should work now from ipkgmgrsrv Oct 03 17:01:40 bsdbandit: yes there is Oct 03 17:03:04 hold down volup+c at boot Oct 03 17:03:09 with usb cable plugged in Oct 03 17:03:14 the doctor's finished. Oct 03 17:03:29 which version is it Oct 03 17:03:32 hey puff is it on the wiki Oct 03 17:03:32 ? Oct 03 17:03:39 flazer: it's booting now Oct 03 17:03:39 dont think so Oct 03 17:03:40 and if so can you send me the link Oct 03 17:03:46 o Oct 03 17:03:48 bsdbandit: i just told u what to do Oct 03 17:03:57 o Oct 03 17:04:00 i see it Oct 03 17:04:04 i had to scroll up Oct 03 17:04:05 lol Oct 03 17:04:24 is this permenant puff Oct 03 17:04:24 how small is your irc window that u needed to scroll up to see 3 lines ago? Oct 03 17:04:24 ? Oct 03 17:04:31 no its not perm Oct 03 17:04:40 nice Oct 03 17:04:46 is there a way to make it perm Oct 03 17:04:47 hey can anyone add/remove an email account? Oct 03 17:04:49 ? Oct 03 17:04:55 bsdbandit: no Oct 03 17:04:58 oh ok Oct 03 17:04:58 not yet Oct 03 17:05:01 that i know of Oct 03 17:05:05 im going to try Oct 03 17:05:05 and u wouldnt want it perm Oct 03 17:05:10 cause fbcon is not accelerated Oct 03 17:05:15 so it slows down boot even more Oct 03 17:05:17 thanks you Oct 03 17:08:03 wish they would update the emu to 1.2.1 Oct 03 17:10:05 Well, it thinks it's restoring my data. :) Oct 03 17:12:08 nice :) Oct 03 17:12:56 wtf the email app has this updateAccountsInfo() method that throws an error, but doesn't look like it does anything anyway Oct 03 17:13:42 it angers me that the emu is so bad Oct 03 17:13:58 it cant even open a txt file without hanging Oct 03 17:15:30 oh here's a problem I had with 1.2.0 that's unrelated to my other probs Oct 03 17:15:53 It'd know it was connected to my bluetooth headset, but wouldn't actually use it. I'd have to disconnect/reconnect the device for it to work. Oct 03 17:19:41 the restore's taking a long time. This is a good thing, hehe Oct 03 17:28:03 You guys were right, webos doctor was 1.2.0 Oct 03 17:28:57 update to 1.2.1 and you'll be fresh and ready to go Oct 03 17:29:13 : Oct 03 17:29:15 :) Oct 03 17:29:31 yep Oct 03 17:29:32 :p Oct 03 17:29:36 flazer: I'm letting it sync google first Oct 03 17:29:43 oh nice Oct 03 17:29:46 webos Doctor Oct 03 17:29:48 nice clean Oct 03 17:29:49 hpone now Oct 03 17:29:53 did the location change for the bootlogo files in 1.2.1 Oct 03 17:29:54 phone** Oct 03 17:30:47 bsdbandit, I don't think so since the orig blue theme still has it Oct 03 17:30:54 oh ok Oct 03 17:30:56 good call that usually takes a while Oct 03 17:31:02 lots of gmail :P Oct 03 17:31:50 flazer: that and my google calendar, I have 3 or 4 calendars that sync Oct 03 17:32:36 google pwns ur lyfe Oct 03 17:32:43 mine too actually :\ Oct 03 17:32:53 i was tempted to wait on verizon for the sholes Oct 03 17:32:54 mmm, pwnage Oct 03 17:32:58 but i'm glad i didn't Oct 03 17:34:17 now syncing with my 500 facebook mafia wars contacts Oct 03 17:34:25 ok it went fast, now updating :) Oct 03 17:35:44 egaudet: so you wanted to see the code for that service.... did you have comments? want to work on it? Oct 03 17:35:46 bsdbandit: im late, but no the locations didnt change Oct 03 17:36:01 I wish there were a way to NOT sync contacts from every email address you add Oct 03 17:36:16 as it stands, the only reason I still carry an iphone is for the games and the email Oct 03 17:37:16 PuffTheMagic, haven't looked yet but I did clone the repo. I gotta update the autopatch feed with dB's changes and then I'll start looking. I'd definitely be willing to help work on it. I might install gentoo today to make things easier Oct 03 17:37:26 "This is not a good time for you to download this update because you're either roaming or connected to a network that isn't fast enough." Forgot to configure wi-fi. :P Oct 03 17:37:32 AnOutsider_, hey Oct 03 17:38:21 lol Oct 03 17:38:28 egaudet: u dont need gentoo Oct 03 17:38:47 u can get away with using the codesourcery toolchain Oct 03 17:38:59 but u willneed to tweak the configure.in Oct 03 17:40:35 has anyone tried to create a microsoft myphone sync app Oct 03 17:40:43 bc i think i just lost all my contacts Oct 03 17:40:43 freak didnt save my twee ipk Oct 03 17:40:56 oh crap! Oct 03 17:41:06 anybody has a copy Oct 03 17:41:06 ? Oct 03 17:41:10 atlanta: I didn't think about that. My most recent twee ipk is a couple versions ago Oct 03 17:41:19 gosh Oct 03 17:41:24 man i knew i was forgetting somethign Oct 03 17:41:26 Wasn't it supposed to be hitting the app catalog soon or something? Oct 03 17:42:41 i dunno Oct 03 17:43:05 grr they took the ipk off the site Oct 03 17:43:09 anyway I do have twee but it's one or two revisions old. Oct 03 17:43:12 which version you have Oct 03 17:43:19 I'll have to check the desktop Oct 03 17:44:56 ok Oct 03 17:45:29 thanks Oct 03 17:46:29 brb Oct 03 17:48:07 My latest twee is 0.9.4 Oct 03 17:48:43 how can my palm profile account only have 6 contacts? Oct 03 17:48:52 when i personally entered ~75 in Oct 03 17:48:58 unbelievable Oct 03 17:51:29 shit that one is fine Oct 03 17:51:44 flazer: did u enter them into your palm profile Oct 03 17:51:45 or google Oct 03 17:51:46 l? Oct 03 17:52:16 palm profile o Oct 03 17:52:20 this was weeks ago though Oct 03 17:52:32 today was the first i've reflashed with webOS doctor Oct 03 17:52:34 and gonezo Oct 03 17:52:47 i figured i'd never have to reenter another contact again Oct 03 17:53:29 flazer: this is the first time I've used it too Oct 03 17:53:52 lmao, I have another update now version 1.2.1 153MB Oct 03 17:53:57 XD Oct 03 17:54:06 theres no way they weren't saved Oct 03 17:54:16 after 3 weeks worth of backups Oct 03 17:54:17 where did they go Oct 03 17:54:24 any ideas guys? Oct 03 17:54:41 I had the 38MB one before, now a 153MB of the same :S Oct 03 17:55:49 smkout333 crap, not again. 1.2.0 was repeatedly downloading for me Oct 03 17:56:02 should I do it or what? Oct 03 17:56:03 :P Oct 03 17:56:05 no Oct 03 17:56:08 its no point Oct 03 17:56:41 ok flazer finally booting 1.2.1 hehe Oct 03 17:57:17 nice :) Oct 03 17:59:19 ok why were some apps retained but not others? the backup? Oct 03 18:00:54 mann Oct 03 18:00:57 ok, my question is wont it force this update on me anyways now that it is recoognized? Oct 03 18:01:09 i could cry right now Oct 03 18:01:15 palm profile can suck it Oct 03 18:01:18 cool, looks like LED notifications still work after the patch is removed Oct 03 18:01:19 ii should juust get it over with riight now right?? Oct 03 18:01:21 (you just can't disable it) Oct 03 18:02:31 tlp: that wasn't cool for me, with no way to turn it off, the LED was distracting sitting on my end table Oct 03 18:02:49 flazer: you want twee 0.9.4? Oct 03 18:03:04 i guess so sure Oct 03 18:03:12 i want all my contacts back without having to enter the damn things Oct 03 18:03:50 DrDemento: It means I can re-patch it at my leisure, preferably when PreWare enables autopatch byd efault Oct 03 18:04:16 flazer: did you ever put them onto google? Oct 03 18:04:40 no Oct 03 18:04:46 i've had a gmail for 5+ years Oct 03 18:04:50 so i dont sync that Oct 03 18:04:58 bc it pulls in people i've emailed twice in my whole life Oct 03 18:05:17 tlp: that's not what happened to me. It was enabled, but I couldn't re-enable in preware. Preware wouldn't uninstall patches so I could reinstall, and that's why I had to run webos doctor Oct 03 18:05:26 i thought palm profile would keep all the numbers from my old phone (windows mobile) Oct 03 18:05:30 so i entered them in manually ONCE Oct 03 18:05:33 hoping it would be the last time Oct 03 18:05:41 but i guess when you hit 'backup' it doesn't work Oct 03 18:05:45 weak Oct 03 18:06:00 DrDemento: I patched mine by hand, so I don't have that issue Oct 03 18:06:24 flazer: do you still have the old phone's data on your computer? I know I still have my old PalmOS contacts that i can restore from just in case Oct 03 18:06:48 tlp: my LED was originally by hand, when I enabled it the 2nd time it wasn't. Lesson learned I suppose. Oct 03 18:06:58 no, i never bothered to save a hard copy Oct 03 18:07:03 Anyone know what the current state/status of Preware is? It hasn't been working for me since after 1.2.0 came out (and BEFORE I updated to 1.2) Oct 03 18:07:03 foolishly i suppose Oct 03 18:07:14 but i figured the palm cloud was there for that reason? Oct 03 18:07:17 or am i mistaken Oct 03 18:07:35 if someone can get my contacts from microsoft myphone onto my pre Oct 03 18:07:52 that would be key Oct 03 18:08:03 luckily i still have that account Oct 03 18:08:07 and that's how palm's account should be Oct 03 18:08:09 flazer: can you get the myphone data into a csv? Oct 03 18:08:12 you can actually see it Oct 03 18:08:21 i haven't tried tbh Oct 03 18:08:25 i'm logging on now Oct 03 18:10:46 flazer, a sprint store may be able to transfer your contacts from a WinMo phone to Pre Oct 03 18:10:56 they were able to do so with a verizon LG phone for me Oct 03 18:10:57 i sold my winmo phone Oct 03 18:11:00 that would be key Oct 03 18:11:08 i can figure it out i'm sure Oct 03 18:11:10 o.. i'm late to the conv :) Oct 03 18:11:19 i just didn't want to have to waste my time on this Oct 03 18:11:26 no its ok i should have clarified that Oct 03 18:11:32 all i have left from winmo is a myphone account Oct 03 18:12:01 o.. well you may want to check in with a sprint store anyway, they MAY know a trick.. kinda doubt it tho. Oct 03 18:12:18 lol i highly doubt they know any more than i do Oct 03 18:12:25 thanks though :) Oct 03 18:13:11 well i doubt they know nearly as much as you do. the question is what tools sprint has equipped them with & trained them to use. Oct 03 18:14:24 I went out to a hibachi steakhouse and 3 chicks seatd next to us were sprint employees. surprisingly they knew a lot about the phone. I said soemnthing about the crappy service and she mentioned the taking roam off thing which I'd never discovered Oct 03 18:14:32 so I guess not all are horrible ;) Oct 03 18:14:41 lol Oct 03 18:15:10 as i say.. its a matter of what they've been trained on :) and it does vary some between stores, too, i've noticed Oct 03 18:15:13 :( Oct 03 18:16:22 Anyway. Flazer I'm sure someone else here is vastly more equipped to help than I, but can you repeat your situation in full? Oct 03 18:16:29 just curious, i suppose, really Oct 03 18:16:43 i bought a pre about 3 weeks ago Oct 03 18:16:47 finally ridding myself of verizon Oct 03 18:16:58 geez copying personal files back is taking forever Oct 03 18:17:04 when i first got the pre i tried out the syncing and such Oct 03 18:17:12 i didn't want my 500 facebook friends in my phone Oct 03 18:17:16 so i deleted that Oct 03 18:17:29 i had all my contacts from my previous phone backed up on the myphone.microsoft.com site Oct 03 18:17:46 so i went through by hand and picked out the ones i needed and entered them by hand on the pre Oct 03 18:17:47 egaudet: yo! Oct 03 18:17:49 which took about an hour Oct 03 18:17:51 flazer: I've had instances though where I have phone numbers of girls I went to high school with as a result of sync'ing Facebook... geez where was this tech when I was in high school is what I wanna know Oct 03 18:17:56 PuffTheMagic, yo Oct 03 18:18:02 this was 3 weeks ago Oct 03 18:18:05 egaudet: forget that patch shit, lets get the C ipkgservice done before rod gets back :D Oct 03 18:18:06 so its obviously been syncing Oct 03 18:18:10 when i press backup Oct 03 18:18:14 or obviously not Oct 03 18:18:26 so now i reflashed with webos doctor to clean out some of the stuff on it Oct 03 18:18:28 get a fresh start Oct 03 18:18:33 and when i sync to the palm profile Oct 03 18:18:37 theres only 5 contacts left Oct 03 18:18:42 let's do it Oct 03 18:18:46 so Oct 03 18:18:50 i dont know what to do/say Oct 03 18:19:46 PuffTheMagic, what do I need to bulid Oct 03 18:19:58 aside from the cross tool chain Oct 03 18:20:03 any libraries I need off the pre? Oct 03 18:20:08 Is it possible to view the contacts in your Palm Profile via the web or something? Oct 03 18:20:15 just liblunaservice.so off the pre Oct 03 18:20:36 name it liblunaservice-armv7.so and put it in the root of the clone dir Oct 03 18:20:42 tlp: no Oct 03 18:21:38 that's kind of annoying Oct 03 18:21:42 I'd like to see what is in my profile Oct 03 18:22:00 i would have too so i could have seen these contacts didn't sync Oct 03 18:22:33 i hope i'm just not realizing something that's staring me in the face Oct 03 18:22:46 but i'm not that optimistic about this one Oct 03 18:24:33 These were your contacts you're referring to, then? As in from the Contacts app Oct 03 18:24:42 yes Oct 03 18:24:45 they definitely should have been syncing w/ your profile Oct 03 18:24:46 hmm Oct 03 18:24:54 i assumed as much as well Oct 03 18:24:58 but they weren't apparently Oct 03 18:25:12 i can always go re-enter all 100 of them by hand again but really? Oct 03 18:25:16 Interesting that there were 5 contacts sync'd... anything different/special/unique about those 5? Oct 03 18:25:19 that's a little much Oct 03 18:25:26 i was trying to determine that Oct 03 18:25:33 yeah sounds like a pain.. 'specially if they somehow don't get sync'd again Oct 03 18:25:48 they were all contacts of people that i didn't enter that first time around Oct 03 18:25:56 when i first manually entered them Oct 03 18:26:04 but they should have synced after i did it by hand no? Oct 03 18:26:15 i had them all saving to the palm profile Oct 03 18:26:29 i added another contact now Oct 03 18:26:31 and then hit sync Oct 03 18:26:32 If you didn't enter them manually, where did they come from? Were they the 5 remaining after you deleted all the other pre-loaded contacts? Oct 03 18:26:41 they were people who called me Oct 03 18:26:50 oh interesting hm Oct 03 18:26:54 and i saved their numbers Oct 03 18:27:00 or just entered them Oct 03 18:27:02 but oddly Oct 03 18:27:07 one of them still has his picture Oct 03 18:27:15 and i know he was one of the ones i put in manually Oct 03 18:27:22 so i guess they weren't all people that called me Oct 03 18:28:09 damn Oct 03 18:29:01 ok I'm done copying personal files Oct 03 18:31:05 Maybe your palm profile is corrupt somehow :( I'd recommend working on getting in touch with Sprint "advaced" smartphone support -- they're the only ones at Sprint who *actually* know what they're doing heh Oct 03 18:31:12 egaudet: also pm me a ssh key if u need/want push access Oct 03 18:31:13 takes a bit of hoop jumping tho Oct 03 18:31:31 if its gone Oct 03 18:31:32 its gone Oct 03 18:31:34 so i notice that java in webos allows for custom jars in your application Oct 03 18:31:42 well my concern at this point would be Oct 03 18:31:44 PuffTheMagic, I haven't done a ton of cross compiling Oct 03 18:31:45 why won't palm allow developers the ability to write their own java classes Oct 03 18:31:46 its my own fault for not backing up another copy on my desktop Oct 03 18:31:47 if you enter all those folks again Oct 03 18:31:51 ./configure --host= Oct 03 18:31:54 and it doesn't sync again Oct 03 18:31:58 ...yeah Oct 03 18:32:02 egaudet: ahh Oct 03 18:32:06 what is your toolchain Oct 03 18:32:08 its not the end of the world Oct 03 18:32:11 just a pain in the butt Oct 03 18:32:17 arm-none-linux-gnueabi ? Oct 03 18:32:40 I'd want a working profile if i were you, just in case heh Oct 03 18:32:50 yea Oct 03 18:32:56 ./configure --host=arm-none-linux-gnueabi Oct 03 18:33:03 however Oct 03 18:33:03 i dont know how theres a way to test it tbh Oct 03 18:33:06 i am warning you Oct 03 18:33:14 they need to have access to it Oct 03 18:33:14 PuffTheMagic: you play with luna's java yet? Oct 03 18:33:16 on the site Oct 03 18:33:32 Zuchmir needed to add a lib path to the cflags or something Oct 03 18:33:39 egaudet: and u will probably too Oct 03 18:33:46 creatorbri: preware is working for me Oct 03 18:33:54 sampson_: i wrote the book on it :D Oct 03 18:33:56 j/k Oct 03 18:33:56 I'd suspect Sprint's top tier support guys would have some kind of access or know how to test Oct 03 18:33:58 lol Oct 03 18:34:03 sampson_: yeah i did a lot with java services Oct 03 18:34:16 i'm contemplating redoing the photo java service to use picassa instead of photobucket Oct 03 18:34:20 sampson_: if that is what you are talking about Oct 03 18:34:33 but idk if i want to waste the time... i really wanted to use flickr but it doesn't seem possible with how flickr does its token gathering Oct 03 18:34:37 sampson_: why instead and not inaddition to? Oct 03 18:35:03 well i could do in addition but i want to be like HEY PALM PUT THIS IN PHOTOS.JAR K? THX! Oct 03 18:35:13 flazer: it doesn't hurt to give them a try, anyway Oct 03 18:35:24 and by just redoing photobucket it'd reduce the number of jars required to modify Oct 03 18:35:37 if i do call it'll be in a couple days Oct 03 18:35:47 i'm sure they're pretty swamped with 'what does update 1.2.1 mean' Oct 03 18:35:50 questions today Oct 03 18:36:13 actually Oct 03 18:36:24 i could probably add in picasa just modifying photos.jar and the photo app Oct 03 18:36:24 prolly true.. thats all tier 1 stuff, but of course you gotta break through that wall to get to top tier Oct 03 18:36:47 sampson_: i would not remove any features Oct 03 18:36:48 boy this took me way back, had to re-enable devmode Oct 03 18:36:51 just add support for more services Oct 03 18:37:02 i wish flickr supported oauth :( Oct 03 18:37:18 Does anyone know in which file the properties for the lock screen clock are located? Oct 03 18:37:40 what od you mean tbird02 Oct 03 18:37:57 The screen-lock timer Oct 03 18:38:00 and i have no idea Oct 03 18:38:11 the clock that shows up on the lock screen Oct 03 18:38:15 oh Oct 03 18:38:32 it would be in one of the jar files in /usr/lib/luna Oct 03 18:38:47 is it /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/stylesheets/systemui.css Oct 03 18:39:03 that's just a layout Oct 03 18:40:03 New Question: Anyone know what would make WebOS Repair Utility return a "connection refused" error whenever I try to Restore a file? Oct 03 18:40:30 no its not in the systemui.css file Oct 03 18:41:38 egaudet: u try building yet? Oct 03 18:41:43 that portion has nothing to do with the lock screen Oct 03 18:41:55 just alerts and notifications for the most part Oct 03 18:42:09 egaudet: i might have to give you my arm userland so u have the right headers Oct 03 18:42:10 idk though Oct 03 18:42:18 how's fceux goin Oct 03 18:42:33 egaudet: im not new to cross building, but i am new to writing build files for cross projects Oct 03 18:42:38 egaudet: so things arent perfect im sure Oct 03 18:42:39 okay where are the lock screen properties? Oct 03 18:42:47 sampson_: havent touched it in a while Oct 03 18:43:04 o Oct 03 18:43:14 PuffTheMagic, building now Oct 03 18:43:16 fail Oct 03 18:43:28 first error is looking for glib.h Oct 03 18:43:35 yeah Oct 03 18:43:44 umm Oct 03 18:45:00 tbird02: it will be in one of the underlying class files Oct 03 18:45:05 the lock screen itself isn't an app Oct 03 18:45:27 egaudet: 1 sec Oct 03 18:46:19 sampson_: can you point me in the right direction? Oct 03 18:46:59 should I just like chroot into a doctor repo? Oct 03 18:47:03 no Oct 03 18:47:06 2 more sec Oct 03 18:47:07 or something with pre file Oct 03 18:47:09 k Oct 03 18:49:33 im uploading a userland for you to build shit against Oct 03 18:51:13 I recently upgraded to 1.2.1 and reinstall my patches and my wave launcher does not seem to work properly...If the is happening to you ....you will know.. what i mean. I have uninstalled all my patches and still not working Oct 03 18:51:24 any thoughts..is this happening to anyone else? Oct 03 18:51:49 egaudet: http://omploader.org/vMmgycA Oct 03 18:51:55 ^^ arm-none-linux-gnueabi.tar.lzma Oct 03 18:52:04 extract that in /usr or /opt or something Oct 03 18:52:25 I have verified that there are not patches installed with ipkg -o/ var list_installed Oct 03 18:52:28 hold on tbird02 Oct 03 18:52:49 egaudet: then edit configure.in and set PRE_DEV_ROOT to where you extract that Oct 03 18:52:50 or Oct 03 18:52:53 set PRE_DEV_ROOT env var Oct 03 18:53:51 rog Oct 03 18:55:45 tbird02: you have to find the source that references /usr/palm/sysmgr/images Oct 03 18:55:48 how do i lzma this Oct 03 18:55:56 that's where the lock images are stored so whatever application references it will be it Oct 03 18:56:13 egaudet: lzma -d Oct 03 18:56:27 u should have lzma-utils Oct 03 18:56:31 ahh permission that's why Oct 03 18:56:33 cause lzma >> bzip2 Oct 03 18:56:47 xz > lzma >> bz2 Oct 03 18:58:43 i see, but i dont know how to find that Oct 03 19:00:01 can't find /lib/libc.so.6 Oct 03 19:00:05 yes Oct 03 19:00:06 why isn't it looking in PRE_DEV_ROOT Oct 03 19:00:08 that is Zuchmirs error Oct 03 19:00:17 you would have to decompress jar files until you find what references it Oct 03 19:00:25 egaudet its cause of that stupid toolchain u have Oct 03 19:00:28 its build with rpath Oct 03 19:00:32 aw why can't the pre have lsof Oct 03 19:01:01 egaudet: you need to add a -L/path/to/your/toochain/lib Oct 03 19:01:03 ok got ssh again Oct 03 19:01:04 to the cflags Oct 03 19:01:10 -L$PRE_DEV_ROOT Oct 03 19:01:13 no Oct 03 19:01:16 k Oct 03 19:01:17 no not predefroot Oct 03 19:01:27 your actual toolchain Oct 03 19:01:29 where ever its installed Oct 03 19:01:32 there is prob a lib dir Oct 03 19:01:37 with libc.so.6 in it Oct 03 19:01:48 installing twe Oct 03 19:01:49 twee Oct 03 19:01:52 add that first in your cflags Oct 03 19:02:16 tbird02: it's built directly into luna because luna.conf is the only thing that references /usr/palm/sysmgr/images Oct 03 19:02:38 so you would need to look in the crap in /usr/lib/luna Oct 03 19:03:43 although it's probably built directly into luna so you may not be able to find it Oct 03 19:04:19 okay ill look. thanks! Oct 03 19:04:35 are you just wanting to change the font or what Oct 03 19:05:12 just the color.. Oct 03 19:05:26 ya good luck with that Oct 03 19:05:52 :( you dont think its possible? Oct 03 19:06:09 if it is you're going to waste a hellofalot of time trying to find it Oct 03 19:06:24 PuffTheMagic, the toolchain doesn't have libc Oct 03 19:06:36 its definately does somewhere Oct 03 19:06:43 i wish i had my backlogs Oct 03 19:06:48 hold on a sec Oct 03 19:07:06 the user area you gave me has it Oct 03 19:08:21 i found it in toolchain Oct 03 19:08:23 yeah i thought it was strange that nobody did it before.. Oct 03 19:08:30 but nothing in my cflags is changing the error Oct 03 19:08:45 what exactly did you add? Oct 03 19:08:58 -L Oct 03 19:09:24 no show me EXACTLY what you hve Oct 03 19:09:59 -L/home/egaudet/webos-internals/build/toolchain/cs08q1armel/build/arm-2008q1/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/lib Oct 03 19:10:18 that is a long-ass path Oct 03 19:11:08 /home/egaudet/webos-internals/build/toolchain/cs08q1armel/build/arm-2008q1/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.2.3/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /lib/libc.so.6 when searching for /lib/libc.so.6 Oct 03 19:11:18 egaudet: u see STD_LIB_DIRS= in configure.in Oct 03 19:11:34 egaudet: replace -Xlinker -rpath-link=${PRE_DEV_PATH}/usr/lib Oct 03 19:11:40 with -L/home/egaudet/webos-internals/build/toolchain/cs08q1armel/build/arm-2008q1/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/lib Oct 03 19:11:56 and make sure you re-run ./configure --host=arm-none-linux-gnueabi Oct 03 19:12:00 replace the whole thing Oct 03 19:12:05 or just those 2 parts Oct 03 19:13:42 just those 2 parts Oct 03 19:13:52 Anyone know what would make WebOS Repair Utility return a "connection refused" error whenever I try to Restore a file? Oct 03 19:15:36 this suck i cant remove no alert during call patch Oct 03 19:15:54 you know what Oct 03 19:15:55 i installed it yesterday from preware and when today it got updated i can remove it Oct 03 19:16:07 i'm gonna work on a patch for palm's calculator to censor 5318008 Oct 03 19:16:11 then we can be just as cool as iphone users Oct 03 19:16:34 why would you want to censor that..seriously? Oct 03 19:16:44 what is the apps directory? Oct 03 19:16:48 or was that a jab at the iphone.. Oct 03 19:16:55 idk some iphone scientific calc app did Oct 03 19:17:09 http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/27617/iphone-calculator-app-censors-5318008 Oct 03 19:17:12 ahh i see. lol Oct 03 19:17:17 what is the homebrew apps directory? Oct 03 19:17:37 egaudet: did that do it? you might have to remove that last /lib after the /libc Oct 03 19:17:39 although i am interested in adding more functionality to the calc Oct 03 19:17:45 egaudet: i dont know for sure Oct 03 19:17:59 egaudet: i know Zuchmir got this working Oct 03 19:18:30 Can someone lemme know the homebrew app directory please? Oct 03 19:18:52 not working Oct 03 19:18:56 usr/palm.apps? Oct 03 19:19:04 /var/usr/palm/applicatios Oct 03 19:19:06 /var/usr/palm/applications Oct 03 19:19:11 cool, thank you! Oct 03 19:21:02 do you happen to the know the folder name of music play remix? Oct 03 19:22:13 ooh Oct 03 19:22:15 nvm Oct 03 19:22:19 my stupidity Oct 03 19:22:20 :P Oct 03 19:23:14 haha, i found this header in a .css file: /*oh snap!*/ Oct 03 19:23:17 WOW that was a pain. Preware's installed. Oct 03 19:23:49 how'd you do it demento? Oct 03 19:23:57 what was the purpose of the updated led notification patch in preware just now? Oct 03 19:24:32 1.2.1 enabled it by default.. :S? Oct 03 19:24:42 is this for peopleon 1.2 stil? Oct 03 19:24:48 me too.. Oct 03 19:25:01 i guess its a problem for people that dont want to edit the code manually Oct 03 19:25:15 DrDemento: Did you just install Preware? If so how? Oct 03 19:25:18 creatorbri: a manual install, it tried to install with Optware, but it kept failing... when I manually connected with ipkg it worked. Had to reboot first. Oct 03 19:25:22 ah Oct 03 19:25:26 or should I say reboot after running ipkg Oct 03 19:25:39 after the update to 1.2.1 I had to redo my password for openssh etc Oct 03 19:25:43 still don't know why it failed in the optware install, the command I entered was the same one the script did Oct 03 19:25:44 Kinda weird Oct 03 19:25:45 gotcha.. Oct 03 19:26:10 what is the difference between vversion 1 and version 2 of the 4x4 patch? Oct 03 19:26:13 I think I'm at the point now where I can comfortably stop working on it until later, hehe Oct 03 19:26:22 any 1 better for the phone than the other? Oct 03 19:26:45 smkout333, 2 has smaller font/reads better Oct 03 19:26:59 ah, excellent, thank you :) Oct 03 19:27:05 2 it is :P Oct 03 19:27:37 grr Oct 03 19:27:42 ~seen Zuchmir2 Oct 03 19:27:44 zuchmir2 was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 19d 2h 1m 18s ago, saying: 'yeah, add a "folder" prefix, and "function" prefix'. Oct 03 19:28:10 2 doesn't have word wrap Oct 03 19:28:12 1 has word wrap Oct 03 19:28:20 2 has smaller fonts and wider outside margins Oct 03 19:28:32 so which is reccomended? Oct 03 19:28:37 PuffTheMagic, any ideas? Oct 03 19:28:46 SMKOUT333, it's preference Oct 03 19:28:55 I like word wrap, I use v1 Oct 03 19:29:01 hmmm Oct 03 19:29:01 alright, will do some experimenting, thanks :) Oct 03 19:29:17 has it really been 19 days with no Zuchmir Oct 03 19:29:32 egaudet: did you try with out /libc Oct 03 19:29:34 err Oct 03 19:29:39 with out /lib at the end? Oct 03 19:29:55 egaudet: give me a link to dl the toolchain u have an i can try and figure it out Oct 03 19:30:56 Does anyone here know much about the WebOS Repair utility? Oct 03 19:31:48 I still don't know for sure whether it'll try and download 1.2.1 again hahahaha won't know that for sure for a while Oct 03 19:32:04 oh great now why does preware only show ONE available patch? Oct 03 19:32:33 PuffTheMagic, i'm using it from the build.git/toolchain Oct 03 19:33:02 the only patch listed in preware is the virtual keyboard Oct 03 19:33:35 egaudet: i dont see that on git.webos.... Oct 03 19:33:52 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=summary Oct 03 19:34:44 eww im not cloning that Oct 03 19:34:52 guess i will have to download it fomr sourcery webpage Oct 03 19:35:04 help me out here guys, why am I only seeing one patch in preware? Oct 03 19:35:12 is there a service that might not have been started? Oct 03 19:35:15 no Oct 03 19:35:21 u need a a feed Oct 03 19:35:38 install the autopatch feed Oct 03 19:35:49 there is an ipk for it Oct 03 19:35:51 in preware Oct 03 19:36:15 intertesting I don't remember installing it beore Oct 03 19:36:18 before Oct 03 19:37:10 has anyone changed the color of the lock screen clock? Oct 03 19:37:46 oh you know, I did install it. But I don't remember why, hahahah Oct 03 19:37:54 that's funny Oct 03 19:40:48 5x4's still not listed. hmm. Oct 03 19:41:46 PuffTheMagic, what do you mean "eww im not cloning that" Oct 03 19:41:59 im not gonna clone that repo Oct 03 19:42:02 why Oct 03 19:42:18 cause i will just get the toolchain from the codesourcery site Oct 03 19:45:15 egaudet: its almost downloaded Oct 03 19:45:24 how do I change the ld Oct 03 19:45:28 I think it's using the wrong one Oct 03 19:47:33 puff: this is the last thing then I'll stop bugging... I installed autopatch, and it now lists 69 patches... but the 5x4 patch isn't there. Thoughts? Oct 03 19:50:22 everything is in one line it's using the right gcc but not the right ld i don't thin Oct 03 19:50:36 gonna haev to split up the compile and link Oct 03 19:51:35 dear palm let me write my own java classes in my apps please thanks Oct 03 19:55:26 egaudet: that "could" be it Oct 03 19:55:39 Hey guys :) Oct 03 19:55:39 let me commit this change first Oct 03 19:56:28 Anyone else notice that SDK 1.2 works for Win7 64 bit without modifying it? Oct 03 19:56:29 hey PuffTheMagic you know how long it takes palm to post their libs to their open source site Oct 03 19:56:36 noppe Oct 03 19:56:51 still no 1.2 Oct 03 19:56:51 alright I need to get going. Thanks for the help today and last night guys. Oct 03 19:57:03 were you using their packages to build your toolchain? Oct 03 20:00:13 I tried running `/usr/bin/ipkg -o /var update' but got told that the preware URLs are 404ing. I've tried following new instructions to use the new webosinternals-blah urls and get told stuff like I'm in "offline root mode". I'd like to just uninstall all the optware/etc stuff and start from scratch. Suggestions? Oct 03 20:00:28 sampson_: 1.2 is there Oct 03 20:00:55 egaudet: i dont think its an ld issue Oct 03 20:01:00 but i just pushed something that might help Oct 03 20:01:13 egaudet: but if u want to really prove its a ld issue Oct 03 20:01:27 then move /usr/bin/ld /tmp/ Oct 03 20:01:35 thenmake a symlink Oct 03 20:01:46 from your arm toolchain -ld to /usr/bin/ld Oct 03 20:01:49 then try building it Oct 03 20:01:53 but i know zuchmir didnt do that Oct 03 20:02:01 it was all int he cflags Oct 03 20:03:34 PuffTheMagic: http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html Oct 03 20:03:35 i don't see it Oct 03 20:04:00 ahh they took it down Oct 03 20:04:03 it was up yesterday Oct 03 20:04:06 but Oct 03 20:04:19 all the source links resulted in 404s Oct 03 20:04:35 fuckers Oct 03 20:04:41 i wonder when palm is gonna update the kernel Oct 03 20:05:45 PuffTheMagic, what is rpath-link suppsed to be Oct 03 20:05:54 thats not needed Oct 03 20:05:58 i should remove it Oct 03 20:08:04 egaudet: ok i have a toolchain that gives me the same error as you :D Oct 03 20:08:12 awesome Oct 03 20:08:22 now find out why it is looking for /lib/libc.so.6 Oct 03 20:08:24 maybe that -Xlinker thing is needed Oct 03 20:08:24 idk Oct 03 20:20:03 sampson_: i've been looking for a while and i cant find it, i think i'm going to say its a lost cause. Oct 03 20:20:29 pretty much is Oct 03 20:20:40 it's probably in the closed-portion of luna Oct 03 20:24:44 Got a question for anyone working on the patching part of preware/webos... Oct 03 20:25:07 I've started using the patching utilities through preware, and I'm getting "failures" during patching. Oct 03 20:25:35 The patch works, but part of the postinst scripting is failing for reasons which may be specific to things I've done to my phone... Oct 03 20:25:44 But I don't know that to be true definitively. Oct 03 20:27:27 The message at the end is: Oct 03 20:27:48 ErrorGenericMethodException: failure during 'remount' operation Oct 03 20:28:13 mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy Oct 03 20:28:49 I've modified the fstab and a couple of other places to get samba working, but that shouldn't have anything to do with /dev/mapper/*, or /dev/* for that matter. Oct 03 20:28:54 Anyone seeing anything like this? Oct 03 20:30:46 ehhhh Oct 03 20:30:53 if u have something writing to / Oct 03 20:30:57 it cant be remounted Oct 03 20:31:08 I shouldn't... Oct 03 20:31:21 Let me put it another way... Oct 03 20:31:22 but you must Oct 03 20:31:38 I have no issues remounting / as super user in an ssh session. Oct 03 20:31:39 use lsof Oct 03 20:31:41 or fuser Oct 03 20:32:05 well mount issues is a ipkgservice failure i think Oct 03 20:32:08 not a patch failuer Oct 03 20:32:22 hm Oct 03 20:32:44 just installed windows 7, still reconfiguring the comp... Oct 03 20:32:49 I'll be logging in in a sec. Oct 03 20:34:05 mmm Oct 03 20:34:11 k, what am I looking for again? Oct 03 20:34:51 how do you like windows 7? Oct 03 20:34:56 I like. Oct 03 20:35:03 7 rocks :D Oct 03 20:35:11 My laptop is pretty spiffy, but it's not top end... Oct 03 20:35:25 and 7 ultimate goes from button to start menu in under 20 secs. Oct 03 20:35:38 (SSD hard drive does help that a lot, but Vista was WAY slower.) Oct 03 20:35:41 x64? Oct 03 20:35:51 nod Oct 03 20:35:54 rad Oct 03 20:36:10 no issues so far Oct 03 20:36:25 i couldn't get the sdk to work on x64 7 Oct 03 20:36:49 I installed it... Oct 03 20:36:56 Haven't used it. Oct 03 20:37:03 that was a few weeks ago for me though Oct 03 20:37:11 things change quickly in this scene haha Oct 03 20:37:26 I agree. Oct 03 20:37:43 puff Oct 03 20:37:47 got my contacts back Oct 03 20:37:56 what am I looking for to check / access? Oct 03 20:38:02 when i press 'backup' now that better mean they're off in the cloud Oct 03 20:40:54 As a side note, btw: Oct 03 20:41:10 I can't remove patches that claim they need to be updated. Oct 03 20:41:24 They remove, as in revert the files back to the original form... Oct 03 20:41:39 But preware doesn't recognize that the patch has been removed. Oct 03 20:48:39 heisenman, that case is because the prerm ran and unapplied the patch but the mount failure caused error and didn't remove ipkg info Oct 03 20:48:50 run EPR Oct 03 20:48:58 okie doke. Oct 03 20:49:24 How do I get rid of the originating error? What should I be looking for that will allow remount (or whatever that issue is) to go away? Oct 03 20:50:56 not sure, something has a file open on /, try lsof when getting that error Oct 03 20:52:01 is there a patch out for the launcher icons in 1.2.1? Oct 03 20:52:06 can't seem to find the lsof command actually... Oct 03 20:52:12 PuffTheMagic, any ideas yet? Oct 03 20:52:34 egaudet: im downloading my 1g irc backlog so i can look at it Oct 03 20:52:49 heisenman, i guess lsof is not part of busybox Oct 03 20:53:09 ipkg-opt install lsof Oct 03 20:53:33 done, and working. Oct 03 20:53:35 i dunno how much info you will get Oct 03 20:53:38 That's a lot of info Oct 03 20:53:44 I don't even know why you are getting the mount error in the first place Oct 03 20:53:44 What am I parsing for? Oct 03 20:53:49 try fuser Oct 03 20:54:04 fuser is asking for args. Oct 03 20:54:41 fuser / gives me a lot of not very useful information. Oct 03 20:54:55 shit Oct 03 20:55:04 ert did not remove no alert during call patch Oct 03 20:55:18 I was just about to talk about that. Oct 03 20:55:20 s/ert/epr Oct 03 20:55:43 EPR seems to have removed 3 of the 11 patches I had removed, but that had not been wiped from preware's list of installed patches. Oct 03 20:55:53 Could I edit that list manually for the time being? Where is it? Oct 03 20:56:19 ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches. Oct 03 20:56:26 ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep patches Oct 03 20:58:17 heisenman: congrats, did installation go fine? Oct 03 20:58:18 i'm going to force it Oct 03 20:59:13 root@castle:/var/home/root# ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.phonenoalert Oct 03 20:59:16 Removing package org.webosinternals.patches.phonenoalert from root... Oct 03 20:59:18 (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.patches.phonenoalert.prerm) Oct 03 20:59:40 well, as long as it all worked, im a satisfied seller :P Oct 03 20:59:50 decimation: worked like a charm Oct 03 21:00:02 egaudet: all patches successfully removed on the command line. Oct 03 21:00:11 So the next problem is this error I'm getting while installing. Oct 03 21:00:47 I have lsof and fuser available, what am I looking for that would block / from being remounted? Oct 03 21:00:53 lsof gives me ... Oct 03 21:01:08 can you mount it rw and then ro right now? Oct 03 21:01:18 mount -o rw,remount / Oct 03 21:01:23 mount -o ro,remount / Oct 03 21:01:46 as super user, yes. Oct 03 21:02:12 ok looks all good Oct 03 21:02:15 That has always been true though; I've done a lot of installs on the command line rather than through the GUI options. Oct 03 21:02:19 i'm going back to install patches ;) Oct 03 21:03:24 kesne: ya here? Oct 03 21:04:20 I is here Oct 03 21:05:00 heisenman, you aren't the first to report this remount error but it does seem very rare Oct 03 21:05:16 I'd assume so Oct 03 21:05:28 it could be related to samba or one of the other non-standard apps I've installed. Oct 03 21:05:34 (There aren't many, though0 Oct 03 21:05:37 So.... Oct 03 21:05:52 Here is what I've seen over the last week: Oct 03 21:05:59 I updated to OS 1.2.0 Oct 03 21:06:02 it could be, but it is weird that you don't get any error command line mounting back and forth Oct 03 21:06:17 I started reinstalling things, getting my phone back to its original state... Oct 03 21:06:35 Then I noticed that patches were available (more than just OSK) Oct 03 21:06:42 So I started installing them. Oct 03 21:06:43 is there a newer method being worked to install patches (excluding preware and quick install) Oct 03 21:06:46 ? Oct 03 21:07:26 All of them were failing, but I noticed that in the IPKG log the patch was succeeding, a postinst something was failing, and that was considered criteria for install failure. Oct 03 21:07:43 I just use quilt from the command line tbird02. Preware won't install patches for me Oct 03 21:07:52 So I restart luna, the patches come into effect, and I make a mental note to tell you guys about it the next time I'm here. Oct 03 21:08:02 Today I open preware, and I have 11 updates. Oct 03 21:08:12 Those updates are every patch I Oct 03 21:08:14 have installed. Oct 03 21:08:29 I check them, and I only have the option of removing them. Oct 03 21:08:55 I remove them (ostensibly to reinstall the updated version, which DOES seem fishy to me...) and removal fails. Oct 03 21:09:11 But preware (after restarting luna, java, etc) still thinks they're installed. Oct 03 21:09:27 At which point I started talking here, and have successfully removed them with the command line. Oct 03 21:09:56 So I see two questions at this point: Oct 03 21:10:27 Why does my phone think that the remount isn't working, and why does preware assume that a remount is criteria for a patch failing? Oct 03 21:11:24 a remount is criteria for running a postinst since most postinst need to write to / Oct 03 21:11:35 holy.... Oct 03 21:11:59 so it must remount rw and then remount ro after done, but failure to remount ro might be OK for preware to get by Oct 03 21:12:17 a remount ro failure after opstinst should be OK (meaning preware shows intalled) Oct 03 21:12:32 i think im going to install windows 7 64 bit Oct 03 21:12:38 Apparently so.... Oct 03 21:12:42 im on 32 bit now, but i have 8 gigs of ram, so im wasting a lot :/ Oct 03 21:12:43 but currently a failure after prerm will stop preware from removing the ipk, but the prerm is done so it shouldnt' stop it Oct 03 21:12:48 oil ping, ^^^ Oct 03 21:12:57 My patches (now that I'm going through and reinstalling them...) are no longer failing at that point. Oct 03 21:13:15 So I did SOMETHING to stop that error. Oct 03 21:13:28 But I don't know what. I could dump my command history, but I'm not sure that'd help much either. Oct 03 21:13:38 heisenman, maybe you had some stale open file or socket or samba mount or something I dunno Oct 03 21:13:56 But then how did I remove that stale handle? Oct 03 21:14:13 I didn't specifically close anything, nor did I run any sort of cleanup program. Oct 03 21:14:37 I'm not complaining of course... Oct 03 21:14:40 no idea, maybe it's a timing issue Oct 03 21:14:42 I'm just curious. Oct 03 21:15:02 This is something that, if we can figure it out, may merit writing up at webos-internals.org Oct 03 21:15:19 absolutely Oct 03 21:15:38 I can imagine some process running in the background that does something every so often Oct 03 21:15:47 maybe the backup process or sync or something like that Oct 03 21:16:06 something to keep in our minds, it will be hard to track this one down Oct 03 21:16:32 I agree. Oct 03 21:16:39 I'll keep an eye out for this happening again to me... Oct 03 21:16:59 Perhaps if I know the lsof/fuser command to type in, I'll be able to track it down. Oct 03 21:29:00 PuffTheMagic, I buit Oct 03 21:29:03 built * Oct 03 21:29:25 built * Oct 03 21:29:26 built what? Oct 03 21:29:26 ? Oct 03 21:35:12 * zsoc wonders if * is a wildcard, in which case egaudet just successfully built 'everything', which would be kinda hot Oct 03 21:36:52 lol built* Oct 03 21:37:00 i built ipkgmgrsrv Oct 03 21:37:03 using ld -shared Oct 03 21:42:08 jeez, im a sleep for a little while, and the preware thread grows by 5 pagex Oct 03 21:42:16 none of which are related to preware itself Oct 03 21:42:34 hmm Oct 03 21:42:39 roam only patch fails for me :S Oct 03 21:43:11 lol Oct 03 21:43:17 egaudet: thats all it needed? Oct 03 21:43:19 oh EPR never removed it I still have it in phone preferences Oct 03 21:43:19 lol Oct 03 21:44:00 it doesn't work Oct 03 21:44:02 I dunno Oct 03 21:44:21 i split it up into cc and ld, using -shared for ld and it builds but it doesn't work Oct 03 21:44:44 ahh Oct 03 21:44:46 i found the backlog Oct 03 21:44:49 that i needed Oct 03 21:45:00 finally! Oct 03 21:46:37 only god builds * Oct 03 21:46:57 egaudet: http://pastebin.com/m79a04cbb Oct 03 21:47:05 ^^ that is from when he build a different project Oct 03 21:47:06 hey all - anyone here have experience with bootloader? I'm wondering if there's a way to use it to get at my USB data and or other data on the Pre? Oct 03 21:47:10 but maybe u can adapt it to this Oct 03 21:47:55 after trying all kinds of things (I'm in the evil "Signed Out: Just Restart/Erase All Data" loop) it looks like bootloader is my only real hope Oct 03 21:48:24 egaudet: igave in to downloading the exact tc you have Oct 03 21:48:36 pre's not currently showing up as a usb drive (does, but can't access it), ssh not responding, novacoming in normally doesn't connect Oct 03 21:50:14 i have a question about applying patches Oct 03 21:50:45 if i know the link to the git patch, how do i apply it? Oct 03 21:54:48 anyone? Oct 03 22:00:52 hmm Oct 03 22:01:01 copy in pre is orange+c right? Oct 03 22:02:18 egaudet: i got it working Oct 03 22:02:22 egaudet: !!! Oct 03 22:04:23 nvm Oct 03 22:07:13 hello? Oct 03 22:07:23 egaudet: pull latest version Oct 03 22:07:39 and set this variable Oct 03 22:07:40 export CS_TOOLCHAIN_ROOT=/opt/arm-2008q1 Oct 03 22:07:46 en0x, gesture+c Oct 03 22:07:51 egaudet: but put your path to your toolchain Oct 03 22:07:57 then run configure Oct 03 22:08:01 and you should be good to build Oct 03 22:08:46 puffthemagic, I have some Bell's Hell Hath no Fury Oct 03 22:09:19 ping re bootloader: anyone with any experience? and/or a link or resource for using it? Oct 03 22:12:03 if i know the link to the git patch, how do i apply it? Oct 03 22:17:21 seriously i know someone knows this. Oct 03 22:18:04 psykoz: omg Oct 03 22:18:10 psykoz: Southern Tier Harvest Oct 03 22:18:12 SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOD Oct 03 22:18:21 woot, I have a pornstar fan :) Oct 03 22:18:42 egaudet: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oct 03 22:22:44 Hey all, I'm lookin for someone to help me get Patch Submission working on my Pre Oct 03 22:24:04 I've got git and quilt setup properly, but I'm having problems with the SSH keys (I think). I followed the instructions on the Applying_Patches page, but they seem to skip some steps Oct 03 22:25:03 hrm. This is either a stupid problem, or a very complex one: those are the ones that get me :) Oct 03 22:29:32 ... wtf, now it works Oct 03 22:29:59 oh, no it doesn't Oct 03 22:30:10 no auth methods again :( Oct 03 22:33:09 anyone got nice txt message notification sound? Oct 03 22:33:57 i use the metal gear codec sound Oct 03 22:34:20 if i know the link to the git patch, how do i apply it? Oct 03 22:35:34 you mean via Command Line? Oct 03 22:35:42 wget it Oct 03 22:35:45 then patch it Oct 03 22:35:53 or use curl Oct 03 22:35:53 :P Oct 03 22:36:05 If you mean command line, here's a pretty straight forward guide: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches Oct 03 22:36:16 yeah i used that guide Oct 03 22:36:31 only problem is that if you're applying patches from CLI as well as stuff like PreWare and WOQI, you need to uninstall from both Oct 03 22:36:38 but im looking at the patches located at: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/trees/master Oct 03 22:37:03 im just using command line, not preware/wQI Oct 03 22:38:32 tbird02: I'm not an expert, but you should be able to see patches under that branch Oct 03 22:38:39 if you followed the setup instructions Oct 03 22:40:39 okay, maybe this is a better question. Oct 03 22:41:02 does the git website reflect all the patches available when you enter "find /opt/src/modifications -name *.patch" Oct 03 22:41:46 if you've done a "git pull" after "cd /opt/src/modifications" recently, yup Oct 03 22:42:42 alternatively, in case /trees/master is a special case, you can do "ls -al /opt/src/modifications/" and see if there are any subdirectories you don't know about :) Oct 03 22:43:10 sweet! thanks. Oct 03 22:45:49 hrrrm, well, I don't think I know what I'm talking about in relation to the /trees/master thing; that might not be an available branch to the client Oct 03 22:46:14 but, I can't check because apparently when I tried to get my Pre to upload patches I made, I broke the download part as well >< Oct 03 22:46:33 uh oh. Oct 03 22:48:55 I'm very good at breaking things. Oct 03 22:49:15 apparently i'm good at fixing things, but only today Oct 03 22:49:50 any advice for the guy who REALLY wants to contribute to the programming but can't figure out SSH? lol Oct 03 22:50:59 what's the ssh issues? Oct 03 22:51:14 hmm. anyone know how to interact w/the bootloader's usb commands? I've even tried searching under the OMAP3430 for documentation, but nothing doing Oct 03 22:51:41 timofalltrades, not surprising, TI won't release documentation without a large purchase and an nda Oct 03 22:51:48 zsoc: doing the debug results in /opt/bin/ssh: connection to git@gitorious.org:22 exited: No auth methods could be used. Oct 03 22:52:08 i have to assume you've tried google? Oct 03 22:52:16 irk Oct 03 22:52:17 I have Oct 03 22:52:32 normally I'm a google fiend, but I must not be looking for the right things or something Oct 03 22:52:44 the pre bootloader commands seem to be blissfully free of documentation Oct 03 22:52:46 ;) Oct 03 22:53:02 timofalltrades, ah, i was asking flare about google. like i said, documentation won't exist :) Oct 03 22:53:38 zsoc: yeah, I have, but problem is I don't know where the problem is: I brought the keys onto the Pre from the PC, and I think I have them in the right place Oct 03 22:54:47 flare576, i'm sure someone here can field this... i don't know enough about git honestly, and i fear that's part of the issue Oct 03 22:54:57 bummer. Oct 03 22:55:09 flare576: where did you put them? Oct 03 22:55:14 zsoc: I really, really appreciate your help: you're the first person to offer any Oct 03 22:55:39 ~/.ssh/ and they are named id_rsa and id_rsa.pub Oct 03 22:55:40 okay, flare576 Oct 03 22:55:45 flare576, here's a question, do you know what version of dropbear? Oct 03 22:55:51 openssh Oct 03 22:56:11 sg-u ftw Oct 03 22:56:17 ah Oct 03 22:56:19 because dropbear doesn't support agent forwarding without trickery Oct 03 22:56:41 and the last thing I need was to deal with frakin trickery on top of not knowing wtf I'm doing Oct 03 22:57:31 ... suppose it might help if openssh was running Oct 03 22:57:49 at least, I think that'd help Oct 03 22:58:09 omg, upgraded my internet connection from 2mb/s to 8mb/s Oct 03 22:58:14 best decision ever.' Oct 03 22:58:31 Decimation, i agree that's a big diff. especially shared. 2mb is tough to share Oct 03 22:58:48 zsoc: its me, 3 other computers, and xbox live Oct 03 22:58:54 it was tough all right Oct 03 22:59:09 flare576: can you pastebin the output of: /opt/bin/ssh -v git@gitorious.org Oct 03 22:59:38 -v is reported as an invalid variable Oct 03 22:59:48 argument, rather Oct 03 23:00:56 http://webos.pastebin.com/d67f38c9 Oct 03 23:01:44 flare576: silly question... an admin has accepted your public key, correct? Oct 03 23:02:48 JackieRipper: I don't understand the question: the instructions say to just submit it to gitorious Oct 03 23:03:37 ahh yeah, my bad Oct 03 23:04:25 and you public key is listed in the web site when you click manage keys? Oct 03 23:04:52 yup! Oct 03 23:05:00 hmm Oct 03 23:06:05 is there a way to remove a single patch using quilt? Oct 03 23:06:47 quilt pop "patchname" Oct 03 23:07:51 k all - have to run, will try again later... zsoc - I'll be praying to the bootloader gods, hard - maybe some docs will show suddenly. Send 'em my way if you see them! Oct 03 23:08:01 bit of a side-topic: on this page: http://tumblelog.jauderho.com/post/151678345/using-dropbear-with-git What does step 2 mean? Oct 03 23:08:31 run export "in" that directory? does that really matter? Oct 03 23:09:17 heh, will do Oct 03 23:10:49 Ohhhhh, add that line to the file Oct 03 23:12:09 where is git's config file stored for step 3? Oct 03 23:14:22 flare576: it keeps telling me no patch removed, no matte what patch i use after quilt pop "patch" Oct 03 23:15:42 k, do "quilt series" Oct 03 23:16:01 then copy/paste exactly what you see in that list for the one you want to remove, path and all Oct 03 23:16:12 into the "quilt pop " Oct 03 23:16:29 okay ill try that. Oct 03 23:16:56 PuffTheMagic, you didn't fix it Oct 03 23:17:17 nope, i tried quilt pop /opt/src/patches/smiley-face-sym-box.patch Oct 03 23:17:32 and "no patch removed" was returned Oct 03 23:18:00 then it's already un-applied :) do you just want quilt to ignore it from now on? Oct 03 23:18:12 quilt :( Oct 03 23:18:58 yes Oct 03 23:19:27 quilt delete Oct 03 23:19:35 with the same argument as before Oct 03 23:19:53 that will remove it from quilt's series file Oct 03 23:20:19 nm PuffTheMagic you did Oct 03 23:20:31 it worked, thank you! Oct 03 23:20:36 glad to help Oct 03 23:21:08 bah, dinner time, I'll be back later to try and fix this mess of mine and see if I can't get a couple patches uploaded :/ Oct 03 23:21:54 egaudet: ping Oct 03 23:23:51 egaudet: whenever you get back - just wanted to let you know, i installed the emergency patch removal Oct 03 23:23:59 but idk what to do with it? all my patches are still there. Oct 03 23:25:23 Decimation, did you install patches as ipk from autopatch feed Oct 03 23:25:34 yes Oct 03 23:25:41 i just installed the emergency patch removal Oct 03 23:25:45 and it said patch installed Oct 03 23:25:47 now what :/ Oct 03 23:26:07 now all your patches are gone Oct 03 23:26:14 update feed Oct 03 23:26:36 hah, nice. Oct 03 23:26:42 wow, that thing is handy. Oct 03 23:26:44 whoa the Blue theme is nice all the way to the Flash Drive mode icon when it's plugged in, that's just sexy Oct 03 23:27:15 oh yeh the patch removal was awesome today Oct 03 23:27:42 all preware needs, is check boxes next to packages Oct 03 23:28:00 and you can check a bunch of stuff, and it will download it all in the order you checked, then install Oct 03 23:28:03 to multi-install debian style? Oct 03 23:28:16 ah yes that would be pretty cool. Oct 03 23:28:26 corq-FL: are you familiar with the iphone/ipod touch "installer" Oct 03 23:28:52 nope, alas I'm an apple abstainer, on all fronts. :) Oct 03 23:28:57 :P Oct 03 23:29:12 that was its claim to fame Oct 03 23:29:37 i just want to see preware be as good/better than saurik's cydia or "thatotherguys" installer :P Oct 03 23:30:16 yeh I'm a ubuntu nerd, so in both commandline and gui, the multiple install is a bonus Oct 03 23:30:34 that and "build-dependency" options Oct 03 23:33:13 kesne: have you forgotten of your show tonighT? Oct 03 23:38:17 Decimation, why in the world would a 'multi install' be necessary? Oct 03 23:54:11 zsoc: ease of use, quickness. Oct 03 23:54:44 egaudet: so it works? Oct 03 23:54:50 I don't see how that's useful. Never once have I thought "wow I wish i could install all of this software instead of one at a time Oct 03 23:55:03 PuffTheMagic, may i perhaps ask what's he built? Oct 03 23:55:18 yea PuffTheMagic Oct 03 23:55:21 like apt? Oct 03 23:55:29 zsoc: i have. Oct 03 23:55:40 works beautifully Oct 03 23:55:42 :P Oct 03 23:56:34 (process:7312): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Category /commands already registered. Oct 04 00:02:28 fixed /offline_actions was doing commands instead of /offline_actions PuffTheMagic Oct 04 00:09:32 egaudet: ping Oct 04 00:09:47 pnngdn Oct 04 00:09:57 you get my mail last night? Oct 04 00:10:00 i mean this morning Oct 04 00:10:03 or whatever Oct 04 00:10:08 what mail? Oct 04 00:10:23 what are these actions? these are the registered java services? Oct 04 00:10:26 tar.gz Oct 04 00:10:31 of build.git Oct 04 00:11:00 what is show actual battery percent aduplicate of? Oct 04 00:11:13 battery-percent Oct 04 00:11:15 let me look Oct 04 00:11:45 show-actual means to use the real % number not the gui % number Oct 04 00:11:51 oh Oct 04 00:12:04 but it conflicts with the other one because they touch the same line in different ways for different legit reasons Oct 04 00:12:06 i thought it was just % like the othe rone Oct 04 00:12:15 ok Oct 04 00:12:54 just updated it Oct 04 00:13:07 did you test them on 1.2.1 Oct 04 00:13:07 ? Oct 04 00:13:08 awesome job btw, things looking nice Oct 04 00:13:10 I didn't test anything Oct 04 00:13:21 did you push them all? Oct 04 00:13:24 yea Oct 04 00:13:26 a while ago Oct 04 00:13:29 cool Oct 04 00:13:34 made people happy Oct 04 00:13:35 I guess I am going to upgrade to 1.2.1 Oct 04 00:13:42 after testing something for Dieter Oct 04 00:13:49 yea 1.2.1 doesn't seem to change much Oct 04 00:13:58 precentral themes back up in the feed Oct 04 00:14:09 i know, Dieter and I talked on the phone about an hour ago Oct 04 00:14:16 did he get a hold of you? Oct 04 00:14:19 yea Oct 04 00:14:22 pm'd me Oct 04 00:14:35 do you think those js/css's in the old zip's will cause issues? Oct 04 00:14:46 what old zips Oct 04 00:14:59 the ones that are up right now that have the entire css/js files in them Oct 04 00:15:04 the themes on the feed Oct 04 00:15:08 their* Oct 04 00:16:00 huh Oct 04 00:16:08 he put up fixed zips i thought Oct 04 00:16:15 not that I was aware Oct 04 00:16:21 so why did he put them back up? Oct 04 00:16:22 he told me the old ones were still there Oct 04 00:16:43 because WOSQI downloads those zip's and has built in functions to ignore the css/js's in them Oct 04 00:16:50 the NEW WOSQI Oct 04 00:16:53 :sigh: Oct 04 00:16:55 :sigh: Oct 04 00:16:59 :SIGH: Oct 04 00:17:04 egaudet: oops Oct 04 00:17:13 was the new WOQI released though? Oct 04 00:17:17 yeah i havent actually "run" it since i added anything today Oct 04 00:17:17 not yet Oct 04 00:17:20 if not, that's a bad idea Oct 04 00:17:22 PuffTheMagic, any quick run down you want to give me about your status and learnings on it Oct 04 00:17:29 I can see a bunch of peopel being turned off to themes Oct 04 00:17:36 egaudet: status/learnings? Oct 04 00:17:45 C service stuff Oct 04 00:18:17 why dont u just ask questions ;) Oct 04 00:18:46 I will when I get some, just wanted to know if you had any general things I should know off the bat. But as I go through it I'll ping you a thousand times :P Oct 04 00:19:32 is the service api known then? Oct 04 00:19:34 I take it all the categories (commands, offline_actions) are running the same methods? Oct 04 00:19:42 can we make Preware or the Build service ignore those css/js files in the zip files like WOSQI will? Oct 04 00:19:57 dBsooner, I will look at the autobuilder Oct 04 00:20:10 k Oct 04 00:20:27 ping me if you need me.. I am going to watch the Sooners beat Miami Oct 04 00:20:30 all that time and they didn't grab the zips, remove the css/js, rezip Oct 04 00:20:44 I know Oct 04 00:20:56 I told Dieter the option would be to just take down the ones that have the css/js's inthem Oct 04 00:20:58 fuckign ign videos Oct 04 00:21:02 never stream right Oct 04 00:21:05 but I guess Dieter and Jason didn't feel that was a good idea. Oct 04 00:21:16 a little bit aggrivating how they stay in their QI box Oct 04 00:21:32 why not grab the zips, parse out the XML looking for anything that's NOT an image, remove from zml and zip, rezip and be done with it Oct 04 00:21:33 anyway, brb let me see if I can take them out from the autobuilder Oct 04 00:21:48 ok Oct 04 00:21:55 ping me if you need me.. I gotta watch this game Oct 04 00:21:55 ah that's right, I forgot preware is supplying the ipk feed Oct 04 00:21:58 i'm going to have nightmares about trying to find ebuilds Oct 04 00:22:57 preware isn't supplying the ipk feed, it's using it Oct 04 00:23:27 well the feed is being generated by webos internals no? Oct 04 00:23:44 when I said preware, I just meant the group behind it is all Oct 04 00:23:45 egaudet: if you understand the general concept of how servidces work, with dbus calls and what not, there isnt much else I need to say Oct 04 00:27:48 PuffTheMagic, I went from liking portage/emerge to hating portage/emerge to loving portage/emerge. Like you said, just a learning curve. It's important to understand _what's_ happening, not just type stuff in :P Oct 04 00:28:43 zsoc: yeah... i mean what you are doing is fairly advanced for ANY distro Oct 04 00:28:48 and u have picked it up quickly Oct 04 00:28:51 and its not error proff Oct 04 00:28:53 proof Oct 04 00:28:59 gentoo is very community driven Oct 04 00:29:11 most of the people that are devs for gentoo are people like u and me Oct 04 00:29:16 who do shit in their free time Oct 04 00:29:19 dont get paid Oct 04 00:29:30 bah building the precentral themes and ran out of space on /home Oct 04 00:29:31 and they "try" to do it as good as possible Oct 04 00:29:40 lol Oct 04 00:29:48 PuffTheMagic, that much I understand :) I may not be a guru at anything, but I've worked on many projects :) mostly user support tho.. but it takes a lot of drive Oct 04 00:30:11 zsoc: gentoo dont really have the commercial backing that most binary distros do Oct 04 00:30:24 zsoc: i think the only support the get is from IBM in the form of servers Oct 04 00:30:29 PuffTheMagic, that's true. Ubuntu might as well be a major corporation, lol Oct 04 00:30:32 er, canonical that is Oct 04 00:30:48 redhat/fedora is commercial too Oct 04 00:30:49 Even compiz has tons of support from Novell, at least last i heard :) Oct 04 00:31:02 not that compiz is a distro, but indeed an opensource project Oct 04 00:31:33 i love how compiz splits then merges ever couple months Oct 04 00:32:03 PuffTheMagic, lol, there was a good period of time right after "Compiz-fusion" that was pretty stable in those terms ;) Oct 04 00:32:24 also, openmoko has saved me twice now, with having old patches and ebuilds on their forums Oct 04 00:35:45 evening Oct 04 00:36:55 egaudet: i take it you didnt push your fix for that category issue? Oct 04 00:37:11 not yet Oct 04 00:37:13 want me to Oct 04 00:37:14 is there a git patch for the virtual keyboard yet?? Oct 04 00:37:46 tbird02, yet? Oct 04 00:39:05 PuffTheMagic, I can't push Oct 04 00:39:25 yeah, i cant find a patch Oct 04 00:39:27 i thought it was called committing? Oct 04 00:39:48 zsoc: a commit is a local modification Oct 04 00:40:01 ah Oct 04 00:40:04 pushing refers to sending the commits to a remote repo Oct 04 00:40:07 so "push upstream' then? Oct 04 00:40:16 yeah Oct 04 00:40:22 gotcha Oct 04 00:40:25 you can use git with out ever pushing Oct 04 00:40:38 i could see hot it would be useful Oct 04 00:40:43 PuffTheMagic, do i need to change url to push or you gotta setup my key? Oct 04 00:40:44 s/hot/how Oct 04 00:40:49 egaudet: yeah Oct 04 00:40:51 <+egaudet>: is there a patch for the virtual keyboard on the git? Oct 04 00:40:57 its just like with webosinternals Oct 04 00:41:00 egaudet: git@ Oct 04 00:41:06 and no git:// Oct 04 00:41:20 git@git.preyourmind.org/service/ipkgmgrsrv.git Oct 04 00:41:29 install and remove/purge automatically call post Oct 04 00:41:31 oops Oct 04 00:41:35 git@preyourmind.org:service/ipkgmgrsrv Oct 04 00:41:50 ah yea the : Oct 04 00:41:56 permission denied Oct 04 00:42:01 :/ Oct 04 00:42:10 tbird02, Oct 04 00:42:22 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=patches/virtual-keyboard.git;a=summary Oct 04 00:42:36 ahh Oct 04 00:42:37 holdon Oct 04 00:42:40 i think i know why Oct 04 00:43:27 egaudet: try now Oct 04 00:43:39 done Oct 04 00:43:46 worked? Oct 04 00:44:06 nice Oct 04 00:46:58 wow, apparently emerging by path is a bad idea Oct 04 00:47:25 emerging by path? Oct 04 00:47:30 egaudet: your fix was almost right :D Oct 04 00:48:07 PuffTheMagic, what's wrong with it? Oct 04 00:48:16 you only fixed 1/2 of it Oct 04 00:48:18 did you want it named osmething else? Oct 04 00:48:19 see latest commit Oct 04 00:48:32 no but the list of methods needed to get changed too Oct 04 00:49:00 PuffTheMagic, yeah, emerging by ebuild path instead of package name/version. Er, what happens if i send an INT signal to emerge... will it not clean up after itself? Oct 04 00:49:17 zsoc: oh yeah dont do that Oct 04 00:49:28 ahh yea I haven't read the whole file yet, I had assumed it wasn't implemented yet and just using the same methods as commands Oct 04 00:49:31 zsoc: i think emerge even warns you about that Oct 04 00:49:53 no it was implemented just copy paste failure/half-assed ness Oct 04 00:50:03 like i said i've just been adding shit and not testing anyhthing yet :D Oct 04 00:50:21 hey puff, thanks again for the help earlier Oct 04 00:50:29 what did I do? Oct 04 00:50:30 PuffTheMagic, lol kk ok i won't :) this config checks for multiple things, and then decides what it's going to build and what it isn't. unfortunately the part i needed it to build, it didn't. So it's building all the other parts, heh. Is the log for that config probably stored somewhere? Even if it doesn't fail? Oct 04 00:50:38 puff: I finally did find the 5x4 patch, it got moved to a different folder Oct 04 00:50:54 puff: what did you do? You answered a few questions I had, I never would have connected to the patches had it not been for your help Oct 04 00:51:37 DrDemento: np Oct 04 00:51:54 zsoc: that sounds like u need add a configure option Oct 04 00:52:11 PuffTheMagic, or better yet, can you run emerge through econf but have it no run rmake? Oct 04 00:52:13 *emake Oct 04 00:52:30 zsoc: what you want to do is this Oct 04 00:52:46 PuffTheMagic, explain subscriptions a bit Oct 04 00:52:46 well there's no configure option to fix this. Basically the config is failing because i'm missing a lib, and i don't know which one because it's too fast, lol. I guess I could >> output to a file Oct 04 00:52:46 zsoc: cd to /usr/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/tmp/portage// Oct 04 00:52:54 k Oct 04 00:52:56 egaudet: 1 sec Oct 04 00:53:07 zsoc: u will find the working dir for emerge Oct 04 00:53:12 and all the source it was building Oct 04 00:53:14 i remember i subscribed to /callbacks/status the other day, and then ran /commands/info Oct 04 00:53:18 then run ./configure --help Oct 04 00:53:24 PuffTheMagic, well doesn't it delete that dir when it finishes? Oct 04 00:53:33 zsoc: yeah if it finnishes Oct 04 00:53:38 it will Oct 04 00:53:39 but if it fails or u cancle it Oct 04 00:53:40 it says Oct 04 00:53:47 you just told me not to cancel it, lol Oct 04 00:53:49 zsoc: then start the emerge and then ctrl+c it Oct 04 00:54:02 kk :> Oct 04 00:54:05 cancle it after it app;lies Oct 04 00:54:09 cd to the working dir Oct 04 00:54:13 and run ./configure --help Oct 04 00:54:20 and see if u can find the option u need to enable Oct 04 00:54:26 then u should be able to edit the ebuild Oct 04 00:54:28 and add the option Oct 04 00:54:38 i think u are smart enough to figure out the syntax Oct 04 00:55:13 egaudet: ok so when you make a luna/dbus call its "normally" a 1 time action Oct 04 00:55:27 egaudet: you make a call, and get a response on a callback Oct 04 00:55:48 egaudet: its obviouslly would be nice for some thing to only make 1 call and keep getting lots of returns on the callback Oct 04 00:55:54 thats what a subscription is Oct 04 00:56:05 so if something supports subscriptions Oct 04 00:56:20 the service saves the inital call Oct 04 00:56:29 PuffTheMagic: Ever used Wordpress? Oct 04 00:56:44 egaudet: then any time it has something to send, it sends it to all the things with callbacks Oct 04 00:56:44 egaudet: you figure it out? Oct 04 00:56:46 err Oct 04 00:56:55 it sends it to all the subscriptions Oct 04 00:57:36 kesne: naaa i dont do blogs, im not popular, idk why anyone would listen to me rant about shit Oct 04 00:58:05 PuffTheMagic: Wordpress isnt only for blogs, it's a powerful CMS Oct 04 00:58:16 kesne: im a drupal fan Oct 04 00:58:25 Ah I see Oct 04 00:58:36 But can't wordpress do essentially the same things? Oct 04 00:59:26 drupal has more security issues dailly then any other software i see FYI Oct 04 01:00:26 Ha! Oct 04 01:00:29 Wordpress FTW! Oct 04 01:01:12 tharris-: yeah it also has a massive dev community and lots of sweet shit Oct 04 01:01:25 Drupal is to Wordpress as Linus is to BSD Oct 04 01:01:46 i like linux/drupal cause of the massive amount of options and the speed it evolves Oct 04 01:01:50 i dont care about security Oct 04 01:02:11 i dont run corporate servers Oct 04 01:02:25 im not saying as a CMS it is bad or good, just stating facts on it's security Oct 04 01:02:57 tharris-: maybe cause there are so many eyes on it its easy to find issues Oct 04 01:03:50 tharris-: there is a drupal module to do everything under the sun, so yeah i can imagine there is a lot of potential for exploit Oct 04 01:03:51 Actually Oct 04 01:03:57 there is something to be said for top of the food chain.... Oct 04 01:03:57 Wordpress is insanely popular Oct 04 01:04:19 and wordpress has been beaten to death, a few weeks ago a very slick auth bypass came out Oct 04 01:05:04 comes down to risk, do you care if others have access to your data, are you selling things, what software do you need..... Security should be a part of those discussions Oct 04 01:05:38 wordpress is popular yes, but its a smaller more tightly controlled project, i would expect its easier to reduce security issues Oct 04 01:05:49 just like bsd "is better' for that same reason Oct 04 01:05:57 that and it is very popular and has had many eyes look at it Oct 04 01:06:17 terms "better" or "worse" are relative Oct 04 01:06:47 tharris-: honestly,,, i got into drupal cause im not a web developer and it was fast to implement robust stuff with it and get content out there Oct 04 01:07:10 and i thought i made more "features" that other cms's that i looked at Oct 04 01:07:13 i dont sell stuff Oct 04 01:07:15 PuffTheMagic: No offence intended here, but you seem to always sound like a jackass when you talk Oct 04 01:07:20 everthing i do online is opensource related Oct 04 01:07:30 if something performs the way you need it to does that mean it is "better" or suits your needs best... I can appreciate that....Just subscribe to securityfocus or secunia and pay attention to the issues Oct 04 01:07:49 kesne: im comming across as a jackass now? Oct 04 01:07:54 wtf did I say Oct 04 01:08:05 * tharris- hides Oct 04 01:08:08 PuffTheMagic: It's just the way that you phrase everything Oct 04 01:08:48 cause i was defending my choice> Oct 04 01:08:49 ? Oct 04 01:08:58 cause i dont care about security? Oct 04 01:10:20 No, like you're doing it right there Oct 04 01:12:17 lol Oct 04 01:12:26 ok w/e Oct 04 01:12:33 /ignore kesne Oct 04 01:12:41 ^^ no im a jackass Oct 04 01:12:44 s/no/now/ Oct 04 01:12:44 PuffTheMagic meant: ^^ now im a jackass Oct 04 01:13:03 ok then, so how about those bears Oct 04 01:13:05 Hehe Oct 04 01:13:16 Sorry, its nothing person Oct 04 01:13:25 *personal Oct 04 01:14:37 you just called me a jackass for making a statement about drupal + wordpress and then for asking some questions Oct 04 01:15:20 * tharris- passes the peace pipe Oct 04 01:16:38 internet fight! Oct 04 01:17:02 PuffTheMagic, ok, for some reason, during cross emerging, configure is run with --disable-OPTION-I-NEED :P why in world would it auto disable anything? Oct 04 01:17:15 tharris-: im not pissed, i know im an asshole "in general" but you/he ask me if I use wordpress and say no i use drupal, and you come back with drupal has so many security issues, and I mention a few reasons that it would have more issues (like it being a larger project) and now im a jackass Oct 04 01:17:23 i think its funny Oct 04 01:17:51 zsoc: cause the dev that made the ebuild didnt think anyone wanted it? Oct 04 01:18:06 zsoc: or its an oversight Oct 04 01:18:27 how come there are no registered handlers for image files like png, jpg, gif, etc Oct 04 01:18:27 just change it to --enable-