**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 04 02:59:56 2009 Oct 04 03:00:22 only within irssi phiqtion Oct 04 03:00:39 whats that punzada-m Oct 04 03:00:48 i find that the data usage on/off helps a LOT Oct 04 03:01:03 * zsoc has a LAMP server going Oct 04 03:01:36 i was getting .45% drain per hour on wifi with data usage off Oct 04 03:01:40 * zsoc never has an issue with his pre battery. think people use their phone too much Oct 04 03:01:59 my battery lasts from when i wake up to when i go to sleep Oct 04 03:02:05 phiqtion: a terminal based irc clieny Oct 04 03:02:09 and it sits on the touchstone all night Oct 04 03:02:19 client Oct 04 03:02:24 * Oct 04 03:02:47 word, oil your block drop game is the shit. Oct 04 03:02:54 lol Oct 04 03:02:56 i got my pre the invishield i fukd it up taking out the air bubbles, now it looks ugly. but hey its protected right? Oct 04 03:03:10 tbird02: where is that option? new in 1.2 right? Oct 04 03:03:13 its protected with ugly Oct 04 03:03:33 i have no case/protector of any kind on my pre Oct 04 03:03:33 yeah. go to dialer screen, upper left to preferences. Oct 04 03:03:33 Anyone familiar with GNU patch / ebuilds (and possibly git) have a second to take a look at a pastebin for me? Oct 04 03:03:37 and its still in prime condition Oct 04 03:03:41 does it easily get scratched? Oct 04 03:03:44 ty Oct 04 03:03:50 its not scratched yet Oct 04 03:03:54 ive had it for a few months now Oct 04 03:04:06 np Oct 04 03:04:25 2 year contract, ill take it off when in its 1 year bday Oct 04 03:04:34 lol Oct 04 03:04:39 it'll look new again Oct 04 03:04:41 then itl get a wicked gouge Oct 04 03:05:13 damn, we just got our phones and now my wife wants the pixu Oct 04 03:05:16 pixi* Oct 04 03:05:22 lol Oct 04 03:05:29 phiqtion, ebay Oct 04 03:05:31 why Oct 04 03:05:38 pixi is lameeeee Oct 04 03:05:39 "cute" back covers? Oct 04 03:05:46 she got a blackberry but loves webOS Oct 04 03:06:16 i want a pre 2.0 w/ horizontal keyboard Oct 04 03:06:24 * punzada-m nods Oct 04 03:06:49 irssi looks amazingly nice when in landscape mode Oct 04 03:07:05 just tilt it and hold your head sideways Oct 04 03:07:22 I just want 100 different webos phones so people stop complaining about form factor Oct 04 03:07:31 lol Oct 04 03:07:43 100 different devices is a management nightmare Oct 04 03:07:47 i love pre's look Oct 04 03:07:53 im not complaining i can make due with what i got Oct 04 03:07:55 :p Oct 04 03:08:20 who made the swipe to delete history patch? Oct 04 03:08:20 i just wish the speaker was on the bottom or something Oct 04 03:08:43 why Oct 04 03:08:47 i constantly try to do the shoulder-hold maneuver and "mute" myself by covering it with my cheek Oct 04 03:08:50 its not a boombox Oct 04 03:08:52 lol Oct 04 03:09:03 ah Oct 04 03:09:13 oil, ah, the microphone you mean? yes i do that too Oct 04 03:09:20 yeah Oct 04 03:09:25 when i said speaker i meant microphone Oct 04 03:09:49 ohhh ok, i imagined the big ass speaker on the back in the front instead Oct 04 03:09:58 lol Oct 04 03:10:22 and dolby splattered on top Oct 04 03:11:24 who made the swipe to delete history patch? Oct 04 03:11:37 i have cool travel speakers "xmini max" Oct 04 03:11:45 google it ifinteredted Oct 04 03:12:00 thet are awesome for size and form factor/travel Oct 04 03:12:15 I wish this day wouldn't end. I've fixed every problem I've run into. This is a super first for me Oct 04 03:12:57 where can i get irssi Oct 04 03:13:03 its not in preware Oct 04 03:13:14 optware repos? Oct 04 03:13:23 lol Oct 04 03:13:27 ipkg-opt -o /var install irssi Oct 04 03:13:29 or something like that? Oct 04 03:13:34 maybe TheJackass and I will still make that IRC client Oct 04 03:13:35 who knows Oct 04 03:14:21 who made the swipe to delete history patch? Oct 04 03:14:31 phiqtion: i cant copy and paste the link to my irssi guide Oct 04 03:14:35 tbird02, i think you asked that already Oct 04 03:14:41 go to web os wiki_ linux apps Oct 04 03:14:48 and its listed there Oct 04 03:14:56 ok Oct 04 03:15:07 ya think? i got nothing. Oct 04 03:15:20 ~ Oct 04 03:15:37 ill try it out, you created it? Oct 04 03:15:56 yeah follow the bitlbee section Oct 04 03:16:03 for im support as well Oct 04 03:16:31 im through irssi just doesn't seem useful to me Oct 04 03:17:18 what would make it more useful? Oct 04 03:17:22 i have my own irc network so i like to be able to jump to it - plus having msn support is nice Oct 04 03:17:28 just my opinion Oct 04 03:17:31 punzada, that i can understand Oct 04 03:17:31 its clunky admittedly Oct 04 03:17:57 we do need a more 'smooth' solution Oct 04 03:18:28 i can find it, just pm me your site Oct 04 03:18:32 cant* Oct 04 03:20:10 webos-internals.org Oct 04 03:20:22 click linux apps Oct 04 03:20:48 under application tutorials Oct 04 03:20:55 linux tutorial irssi Oct 04 03:23:10 62% at the 12th hour not bad Oct 04 03:23:21 what "things" are a MUST in pre? found in preware or elsewhere? Oct 04 03:23:50 must is an odd word Oct 04 03:23:53 that depends on what "things" you need to do with it Oct 04 03:24:23 im trying to find that irssi Oct 04 03:25:00 it appears i fell into the rabbit hole Oct 04 03:25:32 what did i start :X Oct 04 03:26:11 going to make me actually peck this out i see Oct 04 03:27:05 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Linux_Tutorial_Irssi Oct 04 03:28:04 read it all Oct 04 03:28:08 then attempt it Oct 04 03:29:00 ok Oct 04 03:29:22 what do you guys use your pre for the most? Oct 04 03:29:33 the bitlbee section kind of repeats previous steps Oct 04 03:29:50 you can follow that section alone Oct 04 03:33:40 thx Oct 04 03:44:32 i use my pre to make telephone calls the most Oct 04 03:47:53 shocking oil :P Oct 04 03:48:05 i know Oct 04 03:48:41 ever have the problem where you hear yourself echo'd on the other persons phone? its happened twice to me so far but with the same person, so it may be their end Oct 04 03:48:49 never Oct 04 03:49:10 probably them then Oct 04 03:49:36 all i know is, it was creepy both times, I dont like how I said and hearing it in full echo during a conversation drove me batty Oct 04 03:49:42 how i sound* Oct 04 03:55:25 hmmm Oct 04 03:55:25 the update for my bios wont run because i need to be running vista Oct 04 03:55:25 :/ Oct 04 03:55:25 how do you guys suppose i get around this Oct 04 03:55:55 what are you running? Oct 04 03:56:43 Decimation: #flashrom :) Oct 04 03:57:16 that is the great thing about this net Oct 04 03:57:19 channel for everything :D Oct 04 03:57:42 it's a new open bios/firmware flashing thing Oct 04 03:57:48 mostly for coreboot(was linuxbios) Oct 04 03:57:53 but it's becoming more generic now Oct 04 03:59:56 ~seen dBsooner Oct 04 03:59:58 dbsooner was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1h 5m 38s ago, saying: 'how is that battery that is the size of the phone?'. Oct 04 04:02:21 is there a way to initiate a luna rescan from within preware? Oct 04 04:02:33 lunamanager Oct 04 04:02:33 so we don't have to reboot to see the effects of patching Oct 04 04:02:49 and you dont need a rescan, you need to restart luna Oct 04 04:03:01 point, thank you Oct 04 04:03:10 i wish there was a faster way then restarting luna Oct 04 04:03:10 luna manager is a great app. Oct 04 04:03:11 like the iphone respring. Oct 04 04:03:37 guess who's going to be getting 10 windows 7 ultimate keys tomorrow? :) MEEE! Oct 04 04:03:43 cause the iphone and webos are SO ALIKE Oct 04 04:03:44 if anyone wants to buy one, just let me know. Oct 04 04:03:52 * oil still offers $10 Oct 04 04:04:04 Heh. Oct 04 04:04:11 Newegg has preorders at 180 Oct 04 04:04:12 * Decimation still denies. Oct 04 04:04:15 how much? Oct 04 04:04:20 I'm still happy with my deal. Oct 04 04:04:25 heisenman: you know my prices are low ;) Oct 04 04:04:35 tbird02: $60 Oct 04 04:04:41 The question is... Oct 04 04:04:42 * oil thinks its worth $10 and thats what he would spend Oct 04 04:04:54 How many games are we funding exactly? Oct 04 04:05:13 hesenman: :) not enough :P Oct 04 04:05:17 Oil: Did you see my convo with egaudet? Oct 04 04:05:21 no Oct 04 04:05:24 I know he marked it for you to read. Oct 04 04:05:57 It was re: patching/errors in patching/preware being a little too strenuous in its pass/fail criteria during install. Oct 04 04:05:57 ha. you know anyone with a .edu email address can get it for $30 right? Oct 04 04:06:16 tbird02: thats a lie. Oct 04 04:06:25 haha. fail. google it. Oct 04 04:06:34 oh oil it was about failing to remove ipkg because of remount ro failure Oct 04 04:06:37 tbird02: i already know what you're talking about, and you are wrong. Oct 04 04:06:48 btw, fail, its a verb.. not a noun nor adjective. Oct 04 04:07:01 how am i wrong? yes, and you fail. Oct 04 04:07:10 epic fail...I STILL don't know what that noise is all about. Oct 04 04:07:11 that is for professional keys. Oct 04 04:07:19 if you read up, i specifically said ultimate. Oct 04 04:07:31 But I heard an asian intern use it in a sentence to one of the engineers at my job... Oct 04 04:07:38 And I about fell off my chair. Oct 04 04:07:56 so i will state once more tbird02, you are wrong. Oct 04 04:08:10 Yeah, see, THAT license I'm less than happy about... Oct 04 04:08:20 Bought it for 100 during the pre-order Oct 04 04:08:32 So now I've paid 50% more for pro than ultimate. Oct 04 04:08:47 yeah okay, because getting home premium for 30 bucks is so much worse than ultimate for 60. Oct 04 04:08:49 fail. Oct 04 04:09:32 tbird02: how did i fail? you're the one continuing on after proven wrong. Oct 04 04:09:53 stop spamming your keys and gtfo. Oct 04 04:10:35 hmm, me, gtfo? Oct 04 04:10:40 does anyone here even know you? lol Oct 04 04:10:50 who cares? Oct 04 04:11:03 is this related to webos? Oct 04 04:11:11 THE PURPOSE OF THIS CHANNEL IS WEBOS INTERNALS DEVELOPMENT Oct 04 04:11:16 * zsoc pants viciously Oct 04 04:11:20 zsoc: :) Oct 04 04:11:30 so oil: my position is that remounting the filesystem should not be a criteria for patch install/removal success/failure. Oct 04 04:12:11 heisenman, I agree with you Oct 04 04:12:24 tbird02: you were the one who started the arguement, you are the one who's continuing the arguement, and you are the one who was wrong in the arguement. Oct 04 04:12:37 Decimation, holy crap what did I just say? Oct 04 04:12:50 On a similar note, somehow every patch I'd installed turned into an update today Oct 04 04:12:50 zsoc: lol, just having a friendly arguement. Oct 04 04:12:52 Which was weird. Oct 04 04:13:11 And that weirdness turned into the removal/etc fiasco I ended up with. Oct 04 04:13:11 ugh, stfu already Oct 04 04:13:30 I'm hoping the whole thing was my webos instantiation being nuts, and that it's fixed... Oct 04 04:13:32 you can get home premium for half the price, legitimately Oct 04 04:13:42 tbird02: im legit also. Oct 04 04:13:58 But if I can get any information from my phone and post it to help, I'm happy to do so. Oct 04 04:14:09 like i said before, what does this have to do with webos? gtfo. Oct 04 04:14:36 oh wait, nobody "knows" me here, so i dont matter Oct 04 04:14:52 tbird02, I'm cool with you. That's why I told Decimation to shut up ;) Oct 04 04:15:14 zsoc: nice Oct 04 04:15:23 zsoc: aww, you've turned on me. Oct 04 04:15:35 Decimation, no, you were just being an ass Oct 04 04:15:49 looks like you dont know anyone here either Oct 04 04:16:26 zsoc: he told me i was wrong, when i wasnt. i told him differently. Oct 04 04:16:41 Decimation, that's what /msg is for. argue all you want in there Oct 04 04:16:58 done. Oct 04 04:20:11 oil: I am still gonna make it Oct 04 04:20:19 buts its not so easy :D Oct 04 04:20:30 to do properly Oct 04 04:20:37 as a generic service Oct 04 04:22:10 lol Oct 04 04:42:17 Just downloaded the Emergency Patch Recovery from Preware and can't find it on my phone to run it...? Oct 04 04:42:28 Did it already do it's thing? Oct 04 04:42:39 yep Oct 04 04:42:46 ok Oct 04 04:42:53 it just runs a script to remove all the patches and then removes itself Oct 04 04:42:58 on install Oct 04 04:43:10 Hmm...my email in landscape is still active though Oct 04 04:43:44 the files underneath are patched but they have already been loaded into memory Oct 04 04:43:55 you will need a luna restart or a phone reboot Oct 04 04:43:59 ok Oct 04 04:44:03 to see the effects change Oct 04 04:44:03 let me luna right quck Oct 04 04:48:09 egaudet: ping? Oct 04 04:48:39 beta thread Oct 04 04:49:12 huh Oct 04 04:49:13 where? Oct 04 04:49:20 you told me you would wait. :( Oct 04 04:49:37 * dBsooner installed 1.2.1 Oct 04 04:49:47 i am waiting Oct 04 04:49:49 running rsync then will install every patch Oct 04 04:52:58 oil: someone else just gave me shit about my :D usage Oct 04 04:53:05 see Oct 04 04:53:09 lol Oct 04 04:53:29 its a fucking smilely face Oct 04 04:53:40 big cheese grin Oct 04 04:53:54 how can u take that to be bad Oct 04 04:54:10 im not sticking my tongue out Oct 04 04:54:13 :P Oct 04 04:54:14 lol Oct 04 04:54:29 i stick my :P out all the time Oct 04 04:54:44 but thats a goofy side tongue stick out Oct 04 04:54:49 egaudet: i guess :P == good and :D == dickhead Oct 04 04:55:07 no 8===D is a dickhead Oct 04 04:55:20 More like :D from everyone except you = good and anything from you = TheJackass :P Oct 04 04:55:22 let the record show, it's 1am here and i'm intoxicated. Oct 04 04:55:22 jk Oct 04 04:55:43 zsoc: ++ to that Oct 04 04:56:07 * TheJackass had 2 manhattans :D Oct 04 04:56:11 with extra cherries Oct 04 04:56:19 :P Oct 04 04:56:23 ^^ see no :D Oct 04 04:56:31 I just had a manhattan :) you gave me the idea Oct 04 04:56:46 its like the only way i can drink whiskey Oct 04 04:57:00 oh god i love it straight Oct 04 04:57:01 whiskey Oct 04 04:57:02 im not a big whiskey van Oct 04 04:57:03 bourbon Oct 04 04:57:05 scotch Oct 04 04:57:09 or bourbon Oct 04 04:57:13 i like scotch though Oct 04 04:57:43 in less than an hour my battery drains from 60 to 40 browsing preware and listening pandora Oct 04 04:57:53 scotch and sambuca i can drink straight... Oct 04 04:57:54 and git Oct 04 04:57:58 phiq, that's all pandora Oct 04 04:58:04 rum and whiskeyi need in a mixed drink Oct 04 04:58:04 git? lol gin? Oct 04 04:58:12 LOL Oct 04 04:58:13 gin Oct 04 04:58:14 hahahah Oct 04 04:58:18 Crown+coke <-- best combo (or Seagrams VO if your budget is tight) Oct 04 04:58:18 scotch is just really smooth whiskey ;) Oct 04 04:58:36 zsoc: scotch is between a potent wine and whiskey to me Oct 04 04:58:49 Uhm Oct 04 04:58:53 i can see that i suppose Oct 04 04:58:58 cdadams1223: yup :D Oct 04 04:58:59 if you're buying expensive-er alcohol Oct 04 04:59:02 and mixing it with something else Oct 04 04:59:03 CC and coke is good Oct 04 04:59:04 you're doing it wrong Oct 04 04:59:10 :p Oct 04 04:59:14 psykoz, no one said they were Oct 04 04:59:15 * oil prefers jack and coke Oct 04 04:59:20 Ugh Oct 04 04:59:22 crown royal is garbage anyway ;) Oct 04 04:59:30 yes, it is garbage Oct 04 04:59:38 you can get the same effect with a bottle half the price and twice the amount Oct 04 04:59:40 cc == canadian club not crown royal Oct 04 04:59:49 well royal doesnt even start witha c Oct 04 04:59:54 lol Oct 04 05:00:04 NHadn't had Canadian Club Oct 04 05:00:08 Hadn't* Oct 04 05:00:17 is that anything like Canadian Cross Compiling? Oct 04 05:00:19 nothing compares to the amazing beer i had last night Oct 04 05:00:24 What about Maker's Mark? Expensive as hell Oct 04 05:00:34 You make a drink, someone else drinks it, but a 3rd person gets intoxicated? Oct 04 05:00:36 Southern Tier Harvest == liquid orgasm for IPA fans Oct 04 05:00:42 buy black velvet, stuff is cheap Oct 04 05:00:44 Maker's is _excellent, excellent_ bourbon Oct 04 05:00:50 gotta try it then Oct 04 05:00:51 psykoz: BV is good Oct 04 05:00:52 never have Oct 04 05:01:06 thats what i usually make my manhattans with Oct 04 05:01:17 but i was on a Jim Beam kick for a while Oct 04 05:01:32 thought a bourbon manhattan tasted better Oct 04 05:01:37 but then i went back to whiskey Oct 04 05:01:44 Honestly I'll drink any whiskey/scotch/bourbon, except walker, i hate that motor oil blended crap Oct 04 05:01:51 It is indeed drinkable whisky, I'm just saying if you're going to be mixing whisky with coke Oct 04 05:02:03 you're effectively getting rid of the whisky taste, so just buy the cheapest stuff possible Oct 04 05:02:10 psykoz: exactly... thas why i dont buy jack to make drinks out of Oct 04 05:02:17 Jameson ftw ;) Oct 04 05:02:17 I actually prefer beer over liquer, and the only beer that enters my fridge now is Blue Moon Oct 04 05:02:24 love it! Oct 04 05:02:28 well I prefer George Dickel over Jack Oct 04 05:02:29 ehh Oct 04 05:02:33 if I'm going to be sipping whisky Oct 04 05:02:35 wheat beers suck! Oct 04 05:02:37 cdadams1223, if you like wheat ales, try a hef or two ;) Oct 04 05:02:37 * TheJackass hides Oct 04 05:02:38 Jack isn't a true sour mash anymore Oct 04 05:02:38 NOOOO! Oct 04 05:02:45 I've had a Hef Oct 04 05:02:48 good scotch Oct 04 05:02:48 Blue Moon is good though Oct 04 05:02:51 awesome Oct 04 05:02:55 its the only wheat beer i can drink Oct 04 05:02:57 cannot be beat. Oct 04 05:03:01 and Sam Adams Winter Lager Oct 04 05:03:03 thats wheat too Oct 04 05:03:06 yep Oct 04 05:03:09 yum Oct 04 05:03:11 mmm Oct 04 05:03:13 my cat is long Oct 04 05:03:15 lol Oct 04 05:03:21 the stuff coming out of new belgium in colorado is pretty good. Oct 04 05:03:29 fat tire is ok, skinny dip is great. Oct 04 05:03:34 IPA's are where its at Oct 04 05:03:36 Hefeweizen isn't the only wheat example out there Oct 04 05:03:41 This update is taking longer than I expected Oct 04 05:03:50 man there are some wonderful wheat belgians (no not blue moon the belgian knockoff-commercial brew) Oct 04 05:03:55 no more wheat beer talk Oct 04 05:03:56 But things like La Fin Du Monde Oct 04 05:03:59 that shit should be banned Oct 04 05:04:01 or Mureal Oct 04 05:04:05 lol Oct 04 05:04:06 or Bell's Hell Hath no Fury Oct 04 05:04:22 Leinenkugels is pretty good Oct 04 05:04:26 sp? Oct 04 05:05:52 Egh Miller bought them out Oct 04 05:06:01 i had some Spaten Octoberfest last night Oct 04 05:06:02 mmmmmm Oct 04 05:07:35 ~seen freakout Oct 04 05:07:37 freakout was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1d 14h 53m 18s ago, saying: 'oh, nearly forgot'. Oct 04 05:08:08 ~seen rwhitby Oct 04 05:08:09 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (1d 9h 46m 33s) #nslu2-linux (1d 9h 46m 33s), last said: 'so it would be easy to write a service which would hide all the homebrew apps from the palm install api, and then restore them again after you've installed an app from the app catalog ...'. Oct 04 05:08:12 :( Oct 04 05:08:16 Wierd...LED notification must be default w/ the 1.2.1 version because I know I uninstalled it. Oct 04 05:08:27 They arent Oct 04 05:08:34 Also: dBsooner Oct 04 05:08:41 i got the email Oct 04 05:08:42 He's gone for a while Oct 04 05:08:42 :) Oct 04 05:08:45 I think Oct 04 05:08:46 Yay Oct 04 05:08:51 I know.. 10 days Oct 04 05:08:55 he's BEEN gone for a while Oct 04 05:09:02 wtf happened to Zuchmir Oct 04 05:09:03 DBsooner checks dailyt Oct 04 05:09:09 * dBsooner nods. Oct 04 05:09:23 oil: u STILL have unresponded pms Oct 04 05:09:24 :D Oct 04 05:09:31 ^^ shit Oct 04 05:09:35 i must have closed it Oct 04 05:09:50 ^^ oil cant wait to stop talking to me Oct 04 05:09:55 Damn.. what else controls the fans in linux? Oct 04 05:10:06 once my fan spins up to full speed, it won't drop back down Oct 04 05:10:12 acpi reports the state as "off" Oct 04 05:10:19 lol Oct 04 05:10:25 dBsooner: most mobo's have broken acpi support Oct 04 05:10:30 broken/unimplemented Oct 04 05:10:35 it was a long ass time ago Oct 04 05:10:44 so boot with noacpi? Oct 04 05:10:46 dBsooner: what computer u got? Oct 04 05:10:49 dBsooner: hell no Oct 04 05:10:55 Toshiba laptop Oct 04 05:10:57 :D Oct 04 05:11:05 yeah u need toshiba acpi extras Oct 04 05:11:06 dBsooner, boot with noapic Oct 04 05:11:09 you need to run my kernel :D Oct 04 05:11:11 zsoc: NO Oct 04 05:11:17 noapic dont help this Oct 04 05:11:17 yeah it'll make you elite Oct 04 05:11:22 :/ Oct 04 05:11:33 lol i'm sorry, TheJackass does kernel work :P listen to him Oct 04 05:11:37 noapic has nothing to do with acpi Oct 04 05:11:49 kk, gotta get Oct 04 05:11:58 so gimme kernel Oct 04 05:12:17 dBsooner: toshiba laptops need a special kernel module to talk configure some bios settings Oct 04 05:12:23 is it based on 2.6.31? Oct 04 05:12:31 ummm Oct 04 05:12:37 yea Oct 04 05:12:41 you sure? Oct 04 05:13:03 dBsooner: well i have like 5 other devs working on my kernel Oct 04 05:13:10 and i havent touched it since i got my phone :D Oct 04 05:13:14 but yeah Oct 04 05:13:14 oh Oct 04 05:13:20 im running a .31 verion Oct 04 05:13:42 http://zen-sources.org/ Oct 04 05:13:53 dBsooner: http://git.zen-sources.org/?p=zen.git;a=summary Oct 04 05:13:56 thats the latest kernel Oct 04 05:14:07 older kernels are here: http://git.zen-sources.org/?p=zen-stable.git;a=summary Oct 04 05:14:41 dBsooner: i dont remember if we have the toshiba shit included in latest versions cause its been a few years since i've had a toshiba lappy Oct 04 05:14:46 but they might be Oct 04 05:14:50 and i can add them if they are not Oct 04 05:15:07 dBsooner: feel free to pester someone in #zen-sources Oct 04 05:19:08 TheJackass: Maybe I should use drupal, the services module looks so handy Oct 04 05:19:21 I just spent the whole day coding wordpress services Oct 04 05:19:23 all custom Oct 04 05:20:32 TheJackass: where can I get the toshiba_acpi module to compile my current kernel? Oct 04 05:21:16 kesne: the service module is awesome Oct 04 05:21:28 TheJackass: What does it allow? Oct 04 05:21:31 kesne: thats what i use to make my dynamic feed on preyourmind.org Oct 04 05:21:47 kesne: you familar with REST? Oct 04 05:21:52 Nope Oct 04 05:21:53 what does that have to do with webos? Oct 04 05:22:11 tmzt: It honestly does Oct 04 05:22:12 tmzt: who/what you referring to? Oct 04 05:23:00 kesne: the services module lets you interface the content on your website to just about anything you want Oct 04 05:23:27 kesne: so on my site... i use the project module to allow people to make projects for what ever they want Oct 04 05:23:50 and i use the taxonomy system to classify the projects into apps and services and plugins an patchs etc.. Oct 04 05:23:54 TheJackass: So could I use it for user registrations, logins, profile viewing and managment, etc? And could you use ajax to do it? Oct 04 05:24:01 then the services module allows me to export that info Oct 04 05:24:39 kesne: when you say user registrations... you mean from an external app? Oct 04 05:24:53 TheJackass: Yes Oct 04 05:24:58 yes u can do that Oct 04 05:25:01 easily :D Oct 04 05:25:06 ^^ fuck Oct 04 05:25:06 hmm Oct 04 05:25:08 i cant stop doing that Oct 04 05:25:13 Hehe Oct 04 05:25:20 I'm considering it Oct 04 05:25:23 yeah services is sweet Oct 04 05:25:29 you can make nodes programetically with it Oct 04 05:25:29 I already have everything set up on wordpress though Oct 04 05:25:40 Would you help me swap it over to Drupal? Oct 04 05:26:04 i suck at css and what not Oct 04 05:26:11 Well Oct 04 05:26:14 but yeah i can point you to modules u might need/want Oct 04 05:26:19 Okay Oct 04 05:26:19 and the general setup etc. Oct 04 05:26:31 #drupal-support is usually pretty good to Oct 04 05:26:36 but i can help no pronb Oct 04 05:26:42 prob Oct 04 05:26:50 Can I try it before I buy it? (is there a way I can test it out service wise before migrating) Oct 04 05:27:05 ehhh Oct 04 05:27:17 the service module it self is just a framework/api Oct 04 05:27:25 Yeah Oct 04 05:27:26 it dont really provide anything usefull Oct 04 05:27:29 just capability Oct 04 05:27:32 YEah Oct 04 05:27:36 but then there are modules that use services Oct 04 05:27:40 like the json server Oct 04 05:27:42 and the rest server Oct 04 05:27:46 and a bunch of other stuff Oct 04 05:27:50 Hmm Oct 04 05:27:53 so compex Oct 04 05:27:57 *complex Oct 04 05:28:01 it is and its not Oct 04 05:28:10 drupal is well documented Oct 04 05:28:15 and if you know php its pretty easy Oct 04 05:28:18 my php sucks Oct 04 05:28:19 I mean, with wordpress I just write a file for this and that Oct 04 05:28:25 and i can write stuff for it Oct 04 05:28:29 No tripping around modules Oct 04 05:28:35 like my feed module i made from scratch Oct 04 05:28:39 So why use drupal? Oct 04 05:29:08 cause i dont like reinventing the wheel Oct 04 05:29:16 hmm Oct 04 05:29:19 im not aboyt to write something from scratch when there is a module that does it Oct 04 05:29:25 Would it be better for ME? Oct 04 05:29:32 i cant answer that Oct 04 05:29:46 i've never used wordpress so i cant really compare them Oct 04 05:29:52 would it be easy to incorperate pre-action in it? Oct 04 05:29:58 Service-wise at least Oct 04 05:30:12 wtf is pre-action Oct 04 05:30:21 Palm Pre Action Oct 04 05:30:38 yeah i still dnt know that that is Oct 04 05:30:46 s/know that/know what/ Oct 04 05:30:46 TheJackass meant: yeah i still dnt know what that is Oct 04 05:31:13 I mean would it be easy to add into applications Oct 04 05:31:38 Keen Studios Online's user base is built on wordpress Oct 04 05:32:06 are you asking if its easy to communicate with a drupal site from a pre application? Oct 04 05:32:27 yes Oct 04 05:32:31 yeah super easy Oct 04 05:32:41 just install the json server Oct 04 05:32:52 then you can talk to the site w/ json Oct 04 05:32:56 but u would need services Oct 04 05:32:59 to do stuff Oct 04 05:33:05 there are services to create node Oct 04 05:33:08 and do this and that Oct 04 05:33:17 you might have to make a custom service module Oct 04 05:33:21 Would I just ajax.request everything on the server? Oct 04 05:33:23 do do a specific task Oct 04 05:34:03 kesne: i really dont know much about ajax.... but if you use RESTfull design practices then you can just use GET/POST Oct 04 05:34:15 So yeah Oct 04 05:34:16 Alright Oct 04 05:34:24 its very robust Oct 04 05:34:26 Well I'll send somebody on my team to look at it Oct 04 05:34:30 I'm very lazy Oct 04 05:34:33 lol Oct 04 05:34:37 if you can think of it Oct 04 05:34:41 you can probbaly do it drupal Oct 04 05:34:44 and I pay these people to sit around Oct 04 05:34:46 fairly easily Oct 04 05:34:53 so they may as well look at drupal Oct 04 05:34:54 the hardest part is usually figuring out which module you want Oct 04 05:34:57 if it exists Oct 04 05:35:02 Alright Oct 04 05:35:04 if not you need to write something your self Oct 04 05:35:13 but most of the time soemthing already exists to do what you want Oct 04 05:35:51 okay Oct 04 05:35:57 make modules is easy as pie Oct 04 05:36:20 i saw your site before... if you had anything to do witht he devel that went into it im sure you could write a drupal module easily Oct 04 05:36:31 api.drupal.org Oct 04 05:36:38 ^^ all the good docs are there Oct 04 05:37:03 Alright Oct 04 05:39:15 kesne: for example... i made a java program that i use for zen-sources.org (which is a drupal site) which creates a diff from git... compresses it, uploads it to my site and creates a release node on the website Oct 04 05:39:29 okay Oct 04 05:39:36 Well this has been a good talk Oct 04 05:39:40 but I've got to sleep Oct 04 05:39:54 It's 10:40 here, which is late for me Oct 04 05:39:58 So good night Oct 04 05:40:04 lol, night Oct 04 05:41:50 mommy and daddy are gonna tell you to go to bed! Oct 04 05:42:44 :P Oct 04 05:42:44 nice Oct 04 05:43:26 yeah... for all my fans Oct 04 05:44:46 i had 1 goal for tonight... add support to the ipkg C service to mount -o remount, in sure C no execv calls Oct 04 05:44:55 s/sure/pure/ Oct 04 05:44:56 GiantDouchebag meant: i had 1 goal for tonight... add support to the ipkg C service to mount -o remount, in pure C no execv calls Oct 04 05:45:03 not gonna happen Oct 04 05:45:32 sadness Oct 04 05:45:50 its pretty easy llooking too Oct 04 05:45:52 *faints* Oct 04 05:45:58 Oct 04 05:46:09 mount() only need a few options Oct 04 05:46:19 but i have no attention span to figure them out Oct 04 05:49:45 mount does a lot more before calling that syscall Oct 04 05:49:57 try strace Oct 04 05:50:01 to see what Oct 04 05:50:06 sorry Oct 04 05:50:22 to see the call itself Oct 04 05:52:32 yeah i know the real mount does Oct 04 05:52:44 but i dont need all that extra stuff Oct 04 05:52:54 just to change rw to ro and vise versa Oct 04 05:53:52 i dont need to check if there is a special help app Oct 04 05:54:05 its not fuse or samba or nfs Oct 04 05:54:22 just plain ol ext3 Oct 04 05:54:55 well thats nice of palm Oct 04 05:55:09 to support -webkit-background-size and not tell me Oct 04 05:55:58 im "pretty sure" i can get way with setting MS_RDONLY|MS_REMOUNT Oct 04 05:56:53 tmzt: unless you know something specific that i dont Oct 04 05:57:27 i have the source for mount open Oct 04 05:57:36 thats where i learned of the syscall Oct 04 05:57:53 I don't Oct 04 05:58:33 I just mean mount fills out different structs based on fs Oct 04 05:59:18 yeah i looked thoght the code a little bit... not to hard, but it seemed fairly straight forward for fs's that didnt need a helper app Oct 04 06:00:24 hey oil Oct 04 06:00:51 you can start directing people to http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/206807-official-1-2-1-patch-discussion.html Oct 04 06:01:49 egaudet: i can add forum supprot on pym in like 2 min :D and there is alwys the issue tracker :D Oct 04 06:02:01 if u want to get it off precentral Oct 04 06:02:32 i will Oct 04 06:02:49 yea and I hate your issue tracker Oct 04 06:02:51 I want bugzilla Oct 04 06:03:07 but I can't get it off precentral, that's where everyone goes Oct 04 06:03:20 :P Oct 04 06:03:28 oh no wait it's :D Oct 04 06:08:39 the issue tracker module is officially done for drupal 6 Oct 04 06:08:46 so yeah i sorta expect it to be in a state of suck Oct 04 06:11:24 s/is/is not/ Oct 04 06:20:43 puff? Oct 04 06:21:10 = GiantDouchebag Oct 04 06:23:05 yeah, what I was wondering Oct 04 06:23:23 wait, you equals GiantDouchebag Oct 04 06:23:45 no Oct 04 06:23:50 puff is using that nick Oct 04 06:24:19 I know. Oct 04 06:35:07 If I want to change the SMS tone, which patch should I use? I see one called "Message Tone Notifications" and one called Message Tone Options". Oct 04 06:40:47 I don't know most of them have different names Oct 04 06:40:50 now Oct 04 06:41:28 I'll look and see right now. Oct 04 06:41:46 egaudet: ping! Oct 04 06:46:09 WillJitsu: they've changed, don't know. used to install 3 patches... contacttone, contact-multitone and message sounds and alerts, and don't use TXT Manager App, or MyNotifications... then you can change the general message sound in the sounds and alerts screen, as well as per contact in the contacts app. Oct 04 06:46:39 yeah, don't use mynotify Oct 04 06:46:41 or txt manager Oct 04 06:46:43 both are gai Oct 04 06:47:17 I'm not using either of those apps, but I'm unable to install the "message tone notifications" patch. I guess it conflicts with another patch. Oct 04 06:47:34 doubtful Oct 04 06:47:36 I was able to install Message Tone Options, and I changed the sound for Messages, but it didn't work. Oct 04 06:47:36 hang on Oct 04 06:47:37 message tone options, install that Oct 04 06:48:03 idk man... most of them have changed names. Oct 04 06:48:45 * dBsooner just installed message tone notifications Oct 04 06:48:46 no problem Oct 04 06:49:05 don't install contact multitone patch Oct 04 06:49:12 I haven't installed that Oct 04 06:49:14 why not? Oct 04 06:49:24 because I had no idea what it did Oct 04 06:49:30 so we didn't update it to 0.4.0 Oct 04 06:49:37 I installed Message Tone Options, changed the sound, and it didnt' work. I then tried to install Message Tone Notifications and it fails. Oct 04 06:49:40 if a patch is version'd 0.4.0 it is fully ready. Oct 04 06:49:47 I removed Message Tone Options and tried Message Tone Notifications again, and it still failed. Oct 04 06:49:50 well, hrmm, wow man, those three patches were for a specific "howto" and should have been left alone Oct 04 06:49:56 try to isntall message tone notifs again Oct 04 06:49:59 and do ipkg log Oct 04 06:50:02 tell me the error at the bottom Oct 04 06:50:18 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200441-seperate-sms-tones-each-contact.html Oct 04 06:50:30 not multitone Oct 04 06:50:44 what are the names of those patches now? Oct 04 06:50:50 hmm it's a long error. hang on Oct 04 06:51:02 mk Oct 04 06:51:03 one sec Oct 04 06:51:30 well contact-multitone is "contact multitone" Oct 04 06:51:44 messaging/contact-multitone.patch , soundsandalerts/message-tone-sounds-and-alerts.patch ,contacts/contacttone.patch Oct 04 06:51:59 ok Oct 04 06:52:04 nevermind, I'll strip the explanatory crap. Oct 04 06:52:09 Hunk #1 FAILED at 9. Oct 04 06:52:26 message tone per contact is the other Oct 04 06:52:54 message tone options is the other right? Oct 04 06:52:56 1 ouf of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file usr/palm/applications/comp.palm.app.messaging/app/models/messaging-luna-service.js.rej Oct 04 06:53:14 yeah Oct 04 06:53:47 I do have Message Forwarding and Messaging Timestamps - Clean installed. Not sure if it conflicts with those. Oct 04 06:53:55 ok Oct 04 06:54:08 yes message forwarding does, hang on one sec Oct 04 06:54:21 uninstall message forwarding Oct 04 06:54:26 uninstall message notifications Oct 04 06:54:46 install contact-multitone Oct 04 06:54:52 message tone per contact Oct 04 06:55:04 message tone options Oct 04 06:55:10 message fowarding Oct 04 06:55:13 in that order Oct 04 06:55:34 do I need to restart luna in between each install? Oct 04 06:55:37 then go to sounds and alerts "application" change your tones to what you want. Oct 04 06:55:42 NO restart after you are done Oct 04 06:55:44 Luna Oct 04 06:56:05 ok what about message timestamps - clean? Oct 04 06:56:12 it is fine Oct 04 06:56:39 ok so all those are required just to change the default sound for all sms messages? Oct 04 06:56:49 So "Message Tone per Contact", "Contact Multitone" and "Message Tone Notificatiosn" Oct 04 06:56:58 and message notifications should go away? Oct 04 06:57:23 that is what I know how to do WillJitsu and if you do that then you get to set per contact tones Oct 04 06:57:26 for messages Oct 04 06:57:36 like a normal phone Oct 04 06:57:48 dbsooner, message tone options is part of the three Oct 04 06:58:01 right, but I only care about 1 tone for ALL sms messages. I don't really care about per contact. Oct 04 06:58:03 idk what the notifications one is, do you know a thread or something it came from? Oct 04 06:58:17 no Oct 04 06:58:19 well, try message tone options and see if it works Oct 04 06:58:29 will Oct 04 06:58:37 yeah i tried that one by itself and it did not work Oct 04 06:58:48 it allowed me to set a tone, but it just had the Pre default tone play Oct 04 06:58:56 you don't have mynotifications installed or TXT manager right? Oct 04 06:59:00 nope Oct 04 06:59:02 never installed those Oct 04 07:00:30 dBsooner: I'll check it out and let you know, Thanks! Oct 04 07:01:46 WillJitsu: I will try that on my phone right now Oct 04 07:02:07 ugh now it won't uninstall message tone options Oct 04 07:02:29 how clean were your files? Oct 04 07:02:52 why aren't all three of those in one file? Oct 04 07:03:01 because all three patch a different app Oct 04 07:03:02 only thing I've done is install patches via Preware. I guess I installed some in the incorrect order. Oct 04 07:03:13 sounds, contacts, messaging Oct 04 07:03:21 WillJitsu: no worries Oct 04 07:04:33 I'm restarting luna Oct 04 07:04:36 so what are my options now if it won't uninstall this patch? Oct 04 07:05:00 whats the error at the bottom? Oct 04 07:05:23 wish there was an easy way to copy/paste it :) Oct 04 07:05:32 is the webos repair utility workng for 1.2.1? Oct 04 07:05:38 dunno Oct 04 07:05:42 epr works Oct 04 07:05:44 :D Oct 04 07:05:49 what exactly does EPR do? Oct 04 07:05:52 but not for something that won't uninstall Oct 04 07:05:55 removes patches Oct 04 07:05:58 idk Oct 04 07:06:15 ipkg -o /var remove package Oct 04 07:06:15 I get 3 different "Unreversed patch detected! Ignore -R? [n]" messages Oct 04 07:06:29 that means the patch isn't installed Oct 04 07:06:34 you already have something very similar installed or something Oct 04 07:07:31 who knows what it is then. I have 11 patches currently installed. Oct 04 07:09:04 ok, when did you install patches? Oct 04 07:09:26 well I uninstalled all patches this morning, then updated to 1.2.1, then reinstalled them. Oct 04 07:09:39 and they all uninstalled cleanly right? Oct 04 07:09:44 yep Oct 04 07:09:45 no issues at all Oct 04 07:10:22 ok, now you are hitting remove for some patches and they won't uninstall? and you didn't edit any files any other way with another program, or script or anything? Oct 04 07:10:37 the only one I'm having an issue with is Message Tone Options Oct 04 07:10:48 and no I have not edited any files outside of using patches through Preware Oct 04 07:11:46 I just tried message tone options without the other two and I do not get a different tone for messages. Oct 04 07:11:55 just like you. Oct 04 07:12:08 but it allowed you to choose one, right? Oct 04 07:12:23 yes, alerts, notifications, and messages Oct 04 07:12:25 yep Oct 04 07:12:59 let me try and remove it Oct 04 07:13:06 i think those three should be one patch Oct 04 07:13:23 * dBsooner goes to make one big "per Contact Message tone" patch Oct 04 07:13:25 dBsooner: yeah or at least say in the description the order in which they must be installed to work properly Oct 04 07:13:31 well, I have heard from egaudet and others that no patch should touch more than one app Oct 04 07:13:43 well this is a bit different Oct 04 07:13:50 it's a HUGE patch Oct 04 07:14:00 it has to touch multiple files to work right Oct 04 07:14:04 where is egaudet? Oct 04 07:14:09 he should really be here for this. Oct 04 07:15:11 Will, I removed it fine, if something doesn't remove right the only explanation to me is that the file changed since it was installed. any other sounds and alerts patches installed? Oct 04 07:15:55 charging sounds patches? Oct 04 07:15:55 well I did try installing the message tones per contact after that to see if it would enable the sound to work Oct 04 07:16:04 nope haven't done that one Oct 04 07:16:38 I guess I just installed one and uninstalled them in the incorrect order. Now I'm left with this one that can't uninstall. Oct 04 07:16:59 I wish there was a way to make it more clear the order in which they must be removed. Oct 04 07:17:48 I don't think it is really supposed to matter WillJitsu what order, thats the good thing Oct 04 07:18:00 hmm I don't know what it could be then Oct 04 07:18:15 it doesn't matter Oct 04 07:18:17 but if somehow you have a patch that won't uninstall that is something egaudet (emoney) wants to know about Oct 04 07:18:20 I remember reading the thread from the guy that made the clean messenger patch and he said it had to be installed before the message forwarding patch Oct 04 07:18:23 and a patch that touches the same place won't install Oct 04 07:18:25 maybe that has changed since then though Oct 04 07:18:38 hi Oct 04 07:18:39 hello Oct 04 07:18:40 hi Oct 04 07:18:47 WillJitsu: I don't really mess with the forward patch because of that reason Oct 04 07:18:47 hello Oct 04 07:18:51 it's about damn time! Oct 04 07:19:02 he is still down to one word responses? Oct 04 07:19:14 hmagoo: yeah I had it working fine though since I installed it in the correct order and I just remember what order to uninstall it in Oct 04 07:19:15 oc sucks the life out of you Oct 04 07:19:18 *pc Oct 04 07:19:41 I think as a rule WillJitsu install forward after everything else Oct 04 07:19:48 yeah Oct 04 07:19:49 the keyb patch wont re-install for me Oct 04 07:19:56 and remove it to remove anything else Oct 04 07:20:19 preware doesn't really say if the unisntall went well Oct 04 07:20:31 egaudet you read his last several lines? WillJitsu's Oct 04 07:20:44 OK, means it went well Oct 04 07:20:51 egaudet is still sleeping I think.. I think that was his cat typing Oct 04 07:20:58 WOW Oct 04 07:22:01 WillJitsu: think you have something else installed very similar to the message tone options patch Oct 04 07:22:20 run epr Oct 04 07:22:50 hi Oct 04 07:22:55 see Oct 04 07:22:57 cat typing Oct 04 07:23:28 I have these installed: Add/Delete Pages in Launcher, App Launcher 4x4 Ver2, Call History During Call, Enable Dev Mode Icon, Enable LED Notifications, Enable Roam Only Option, Match State to Area Code, Message Tone Options, Messaging Timestamps - Clean, More Standby Times, and Virtual Keyboard. Oct 04 07:23:29 pc sucked the life right out o'em Oct 04 07:23:53 hmm will, looks ok. Oct 04 07:24:05 i am telling you Oct 04 07:24:14 can you get a terminal? Oct 04 07:24:26 so, you made a note, now try EPR, and reinstall your patches afterwards Oct 04 07:24:27 I can through the terminal app Oct 04 07:24:33 ok Oct 04 07:24:33 open that Oct 04 07:24:54 type this: Oct 04 07:25:30 there is a theme out called Dark Theme from prethemer... it is missing a wifi active bar, you can see it in the screenshots. Oct 04 07:25:48 I thought my wifi was broken Oct 04 07:25:54 ha Oct 04 07:26:08 it has three, but the fourth one is dark Oct 04 07:26:26 weird thing is there is only three I think, not including the first small one. Oct 04 07:26:40 so maybe he thinks he would design it that way, but that is retarded Oct 04 07:26:56 dBsooner: I hope you're not typing a novel :) Oct 04 07:27:13 ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.message-tone-sounds-and-alerts_0.4.0_all.ipk Oct 04 07:27:25 ok so what's the issue here Oct 04 07:27:34 read the window egaudet Oct 04 07:27:35 here kitty kitty Oct 04 07:27:36 pm Oct 04 07:27:40 pm window* Oct 04 07:28:21 why do you need 3 patches in order? Oct 04 07:28:29 that makes no sense Oct 04 07:28:32 dbsooner, you could definitely say in those 3 patches they are ikyo's patches for making separate sms tones per contact. Oct 04 07:28:38 dBsooner: tried that and got: No packages removed. Nothing to be done Oct 04 07:28:43 no egaudet, only order is fowarding after others Oct 04 07:29:02 hmm Oct 04 07:29:15 dBsooner: is that still the package name? Oct 04 07:29:19 WillJitsu: type: ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep patches Oct 04 07:29:37 really there is no issue with installing htem in any order Oct 04 07:29:44 but I think those 3 patches should be 1 Oct 04 07:29:51 there is with message forwarding, I keep saying it. Oct 04 07:29:52 how do you type the pipe in terminal? Oct 04 07:29:52 because they can't work independently Oct 04 07:30:01 sym umm.. Oct 04 07:30:03 sym... Oct 04 07:30:14 * dBsooner slaps egaudet answer! Oct 04 07:30:35 sym I is tab... Oct 04 07:30:41 no bar Oct 04 07:30:43 | Oct 04 07:30:46 yeah Oct 04 07:31:27 egaudet: would you be opposed to making those 3 into one? Oct 04 07:31:28 WillJitsu: google webos-internals application terminal Oct 04 07:31:37 if a patch can't work independently that it isn't going to be its own ipk anymore Oct 04 07:31:56 yeah, they can't function independently Oct 04 07:31:56 any I am no longer against modifying multi packages in a patch Oct 04 07:32:00 they are ikyo's Oct 04 07:32:30 think about it Oct 04 07:32:41 MEssage Tone Options doesn't do anything Oct 04 07:32:43 hmm, pipe is not there Oct 04 07:33:04 WillJitsu: make sure you typed exactly what I put above Oct 04 07:33:08 in case and everything Oct 04 07:33:19 ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.message-tone-sounds-and-alerts_0.4.0_all.ipk Oct 04 07:33:38 WillJitsu: can't you type it in memos and paste into the terminal with gesture-v? Oct 04 07:34:17 can't paste from terminal Oct 04 07:34:22 well, in terminal Oct 04 07:34:30 dBsooner: triple checked. same message Oct 04 07:34:35 odd Oct 04 07:34:37 exit from terminal Oct 04 07:34:39 run epr Oct 04 07:34:51 its in preware, patches, recovery Oct 04 07:34:54 dBsooner, no Oct 04 07:34:59 ok then don't Oct 04 07:35:00 ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.message-tone-sounds-and-alerts Oct 04 07:35:07 oh yeah Oct 04 07:35:08 my bad Oct 04 07:35:08 there is no ipk when it is installed Oct 04 07:35:09 I forgot Oct 04 07:35:11 :P Oct 04 07:35:17 do what egaudet said Oct 04 07:35:35 egaudet: i am going to put these into one Oct 04 07:35:39 10-4? Oct 04 07:36:05 contact-tone, contact-multitone, and message-tone-sounds-and-alerts Oct 04 07:36:07 Removing package org.webosinternals.patches.message-tone-sounds-and-alerts from root... Oct 04 07:36:13 hmagoo: yes Oct 04 07:36:18 WillJitsu: there you go Oct 04 07:36:19 it's gone now Oct 04 07:36:31 (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.patches.message-tone-sounds-and-alerts.prerm) Oct 04 07:36:33 say they are for separate sms tones per contact Oct 04 07:36:37 WillJitsu: now wait on egaudet to decide on if we are going to put those 3 in their own file or not Oct 04 07:36:52 so why did that require me doing it from the command lien? Oct 04 07:36:53 line* Oct 04 07:37:00 dBsooner: the only problem with that is, that I don't know how nice it plays with mynotifications Oct 04 07:37:01 Yeah.. because message-tone-sounds-and-alerts just gives you the options of selecfting the message tones Oct 04 07:37:10 there is no code to actualy fire that tone Oct 04 07:37:23 that fcode is in contact-tone and multi-tone Oct 04 07:37:37 hmagoo: not my problem Oct 04 07:40:00 sym is the control key in terminal, so whatever the standard control key for | is that should work in terminal Oct 04 07:40:01 btw, it doesn't matter Oct 04 07:40:08 I just removed contact-multitone Oct 04 07:40:09 cool Oct 04 07:40:12 with the other 3 installed Oct 04 07:40:17 then installed it again Oct 04 07:40:25 Do I need openssh running to connect to gitorious to submit patches, or just installed? Oct 04 07:40:27 (message forwarding included) Oct 04 07:41:38 God! my kernel is STILL compiling. Oct 04 07:47:15 thank ya'll for the help btw :) Oct 04 07:48:25 I... I think I've decided posting a patch to support 5x4 icons isn't worth this headache. Oct 04 07:49:22 we have a 5x4 Oct 04 07:49:34 WillJitsu: i am making a new patch Oct 04 07:49:36 right now Oct 04 07:49:40 for the 3in1 Oct 04 07:49:43 ok cool Oct 04 07:50:31 dBsooner: really? I didn't see it when I installed the 4x4 Oct 04 07:50:41 its there Oct 04 07:51:00 but, I just realized that I have to keep going anyway: I broke git/quilt in the process of trying to make uploads work Oct 04 07:51:06 App Launcher 5x4 Oct 04 07:52:25 yeah, I'll be looking for it as soon as I can pull down a patch list again. Oct 04 07:56:56 Jason's 4x4 (4x4, 2) is smaller text right? Oct 04 07:59:14 dBsooner: could you do what is in the actual battery percent patch to the other two battery patches? you would still have to keep that patch around though, as it is useful for people who don't want to mod the appearance aspects Oct 04 07:59:28 anyone help a guy out and pastebin the contents of their /opt/src/modifications/.git/config? Mine looks fubar. Oct 04 08:01:59 patch is made, waiting on egaudet to reply to me Oct 04 08:02:12 so he can make the ipk.. because rwhitby is still livin it up Oct 04 08:02:17 k Oct 04 08:02:21 flare576: I pasted it, but I am just an end user Oct 04 08:02:24 email Oct 04 08:02:46 hmagoo: that's exactly what I need :) I'm sick of wrestling with this junk Oct 04 08:02:54 dBsooner: rwhitby is back Oct 04 08:03:11 aye, but he still hasn't given me access Oct 04 08:03:15 then left again Oct 04 08:03:20 smart guy ;) Oct 04 08:03:24 very smart Oct 04 08:03:25 and hes got TONS of backlog to read Oct 04 08:03:26 haha Oct 04 08:03:46 well its like 11am there Oct 04 08:03:48 so he has to be around somewhere Oct 04 08:03:54 11am? Oct 04 08:03:56 where are you? Oct 04 08:03:58 more no? Oct 04 08:04:00 oh Oct 04 08:04:01 there Oct 04 08:04:02 not here Oct 04 08:04:03 got ya Oct 04 08:04:25 yeah, there Oct 04 08:04:27 3am here Oct 04 08:04:27 ;) Oct 04 08:04:37 i think they are 8 hours ahead? Oct 04 08:04:44 of central.. Oct 04 08:04:45 8, lol Oct 04 08:04:46 its like Oct 04 08:04:51 7 hours behind Oct 04 08:04:51 so taht would be +3? Oct 04 08:04:52 tomorrow Oct 04 08:04:53 wow man, that is germany Oct 04 08:04:57 or something like that Oct 04 08:05:14 no.. 8 hours ahead of central Oct 04 08:05:15 7 and a half* Oct 04 08:05:22 half hour timezones are lol Oct 04 08:05:32 and central is -5 Oct 04 08:05:37 well -6 Oct 04 08:05:43 no, it is like 7pm there. Oct 04 08:05:52 no its not Oct 04 08:05:57 pfft Oct 04 08:05:59 lies Oct 04 08:06:29 15-19 hours ahead of me, on west coast Oct 04 08:06:41 hmagoo: thanks for the file, but it appears I broke something else... yay. Oct 04 08:06:42 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?continent=australasia Oct 04 08:07:43 idk what town hes in Oct 04 08:07:51 sydney is utc+11, I think east coast is utc-5 Oct 04 08:08:31 he is prob in sydney, melbourne, or perth. Oct 04 08:08:52 or adelaide.. Oct 04 08:09:25 or... any town in australia... Oct 04 08:09:38 oil, doubtful, lol, unless he rides a road train to work Oct 04 08:11:52 http://www.mrupp.info/Photos/2005-Australia/katherine_roadtrain.jpg LOL, DANGER Oct 04 08:12:25 I'd ride that. Oct 04 08:13:31 http://www.members.tripod.com/kingsley-foreman/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/roadtrainlong.jpg Oct 04 08:14:10 watercooler shit, but I'd like to drive one of those into NYC just to see how far I could get before getting stuck for good. Oct 04 08:14:13 dead link :( Oct 04 08:14:54 looks like a photoshop Oct 04 08:15:27 well, idk about those actual photos, but those things are really out there. Oct 04 08:21:27 egaudet: sent Oct 04 08:21:34 included a makefile in the email body Oct 04 08:22:04 oil: so did he say when he might be returning? :D Oct 04 08:23:22 HMm Oct 04 08:23:49 Solid state ram chip 32GB touch or 120GB hard drive Classic.. Oct 04 08:29:32 rebooting to load new kernel Oct 04 08:50:49 freakin power outtage Oct 04 08:58:43 cool Oct 04 08:58:58 best time of year right now for you? Oct 04 08:59:07 weather-wise Oct 04 08:59:22 its raining and real windy outside right now Oct 04 08:59:33 oh, are you at an elevation? Oct 04 08:59:38 idk Oct 04 08:59:40 lol Oct 04 09:00:05 we get major wind here, I will give you an interesting link.. Oct 04 09:00:06 the internet says im 1065 feed above sea level Oct 04 09:00:13 you are hungry Oct 04 09:00:26 am i> Oct 04 09:00:30 ?* Oct 04 09:01:30 the internet says im 1065 feed above sea level Oct 04 09:01:53 feet* Oct 04 09:01:58 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=palm+springs,+ca&sll=33.801438,-116.543191&sspn=0.610513,0.883026&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Palm+Springs,+California&ll=33.908605,-116.598072&spn=0.07622,0.110378&t=h&z=13 Oct 04 09:02:26 those are windmills, not streets, they are everywhere there. over 1000 Oct 04 09:02:45 yeah, we got windmills around here Oct 04 09:02:58 i always see more going down the freeway Oct 04 09:03:02 the blades are huge Oct 04 09:03:44 gravity and temperature drive them through a pass, and that prevailing wind goes through the whole valley, its really noticeable how when you go in and out of its path throughout the valley Oct 04 09:03:51 yeah some of them are the size of a house Oct 04 09:04:40 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=palm+desert,+ca+martini+ct&sll=33.91815,-116.587944&sspn=0.076211,0.110378&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Martini+Ct,+Palm+Desert,+Riverside,+California+92260&ll=33.733432,-116.377703&spn=0.611002,0.883026&t=h&z=10 Oct 04 09:04:43 where I live Oct 04 09:05:54 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=yakima,+wa&sll=46.588833,-120.52002&sspn=0.078214,0.131664&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Yakima,+Washington&ll=46.590485,-120.525513&spn=0.078212,0.131664&t=h&z=13 Oct 04 09:07:00 is that a big dropoff going south on 82, looks like it Oct 04 09:07:17 its a gap in the hills Oct 04 09:07:32 i drive through that every day Oct 04 09:07:59 yakima is in a valley Oct 04 09:08:02 hills on every side Oct 04 09:08:13 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=palm+springs,+ca&sll=33.801438,-116.543191&sspn=0.610513,0.883026&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Palm+Springs,+California&ll=33.66121,-116.393967&spn=0.07644,0.110378&t=h&z=13 Oct 04 09:08:20 you should drive that someday, it is awesome Oct 04 09:08:24 lol Oct 04 09:09:02 the closest thing we have to that is the canyon road Oct 04 09:09:08 between yakima and ellengsburg Oct 04 09:09:53 I think I remember it being 20 turns in a few miles, about 1000 feet to 4000 feet Oct 04 09:10:03 lol Oct 04 09:10:36 usually about twenty minutes from desert room temps to snow. during the winter Oct 04 09:11:16 been working out this bug in dot game all night Oct 04 09:11:25 the problem is it only appears near the end of a game on the large board Oct 04 09:11:33 so it takes 10 mins of playing just to see if ive solved it Oct 04 09:11:40 and it doesn't happen in the emulator Oct 04 09:12:39 hah Oct 04 09:17:36 and i rarely play the large boards cause it takes so long Oct 04 09:18:24 erk. my pre drained itself in less than 8 hrs, even with an extended battery. *sigh* Oct 04 09:18:32 http://maps.google.com/maps?q=33.787559,-116.511878&num=1&t=h&sll=33.917056,-116.042095&sspn=0.59414,0.46766&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=2400-2498+Southridge+Dr,+Palm+Springs,+Riverside,+California+92264&ll=33.779718,-116.289167&spn=0.038167,0.055189&z=14 Oct 04 09:18:44 5000 home development (all old people) Oct 04 09:19:56 and every house is exactly the same? Oct 04 09:20:18 nah Oct 04 09:20:26 lol Oct 04 09:21:00 did some work in there and my boss wouldn't believe my mileage from my home to their home, because I live in the same town Oct 04 09:21:02 damn you guys have a lot of golf courses haha Oct 04 09:21:07 over 100 Oct 04 09:21:34 it was like 7 miles roundtrip inside the development Oct 04 09:21:48 you know whats funny Oct 04 09:21:55 there is a sign by the freeway leading to my town Oct 04 09:22:06 that says "Yakima: The Palm Springs of Washington" Oct 04 09:23:14 http://www.barraclou.com/photo/skyline/wa/yakima_palmsprings.jpg Oct 04 09:23:20 haha Oct 04 09:23:26 especially funny when there is snow all around Oct 04 09:23:27 haha Oct 04 09:23:30 only if you have half gay population Oct 04 09:23:37 i dont think we do Oct 04 09:23:38 well, we have snow all around us in the winter Oct 04 09:23:54 the sign is on private property Oct 04 09:23:55 just about everything above the valley is snow Oct 04 09:23:59 people are always trying to get it torn down Oct 04 09:24:12 I would too, they have gay billboards in palm springs Oct 04 09:24:17 lol Oct 04 09:24:31 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=coachella+music+fest&sll=33.676301,-116.233978&sspn=0.004553,0.006899&ie=UTF8&radius=0.2&filter=0&rq=1&ev=zi&hq=coachella+music+fest&hnear=&ll=33.677033,-116.236285&spn=0.004553,0.006899&t=h&z=17 Oct 04 09:24:39 site of coachella music fest Oct 04 09:25:02 I went there last week to the air museum and saw a sign for gay yellow pages Oct 04 09:25:21 to palm springs Oct 04 09:26:29 not that there is a problem with gay, it is just very concentrated in palm springs Oct 04 09:26:55 lol Oct 04 09:29:02 really? I thought palm springs was mostly old people. Oct 04 09:29:11 apparently gay old people Oct 04 09:29:15 the worst type? Oct 04 09:29:54 http://www.insidestl.com/Portals/0/ladies/creepy_old_man.gif Oct 04 09:32:15 palm springs is synonomous to the rest of the valley which is a large retirement area Oct 04 09:34:42 palm springs itself is 40% gay Oct 04 09:36:05 k, lets change the subject Oct 04 09:36:19 I prefer joshua tree =) Oct 04 09:36:34 joshua tree is pretty awesome Oct 04 09:36:51 it is actually the size of our whole valley here. Oct 04 09:37:05 just on the other side of the mountains Oct 04 09:37:43 I liked Amboy, CA Oct 04 09:38:25 * rwhitby stops in to say hi .... Oct 04 09:38:35 they had a huge quake near there in ...'99 Oct 04 09:38:40 hola Oct 04 09:38:58 dBsooner: I hear you're looking for me ... Oct 04 09:38:58 welcome to autopatchness, lol Oct 04 09:39:07 AYE! Oct 04 09:39:20 how the heck are ya! Oct 04 09:39:21 ? Oct 04 09:39:25 what can I do for you, my friend Oct 04 09:39:34 and 1.2.1.2.1.2.3.4.2.1 updates, lol Oct 04 09:39:44 Well, I have been working very hard with egaudet and the others while you have been away. Oct 04 09:39:55 anyone notice that webos battery life is down with 1.2? Oct 04 09:39:59 I have basically thrown myself into autopatch world. Oct 04 09:40:17 dBsooner: so you've taken up the role of patch meister? Oct 04 09:40:28 I would like to have push access to the modifications repo on gitorious and build.git on webos-internals. Oct 04 09:40:43 rwhitby: I would prefer to be called Co-Path meister. Oct 04 09:40:55 still trying to figure out why http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/206807-official-1-2-1-patch-discussion.html is in that forum Oct 04 09:40:55 s/Co-Path/Co-Patch/ Oct 04 09:40:56 dBsooner meant: rwhitby: I would prefer to be called Co-Patch meister. Oct 04 09:41:10 dBsooner: what's your gitorious username? Oct 04 09:41:15 dBsooner Oct 04 09:41:58 dBsooner: done Oct 04 09:42:02 rwhitby: I also wanted to know one more thing.. Oct 04 09:42:14 rwhitby: Can I be an offical member of the group? :D Oct 04 09:42:31 oil don't like me, but that's ok. Oct 04 09:42:41 lol Oct 04 09:42:51 oil don't like anyone anymore. Oct 04 09:42:59 Aunt Minnie has stolen his heart. Oct 04 09:43:10 thats egaudet heh Oct 04 09:43:29 oh yeah.. egaudet lost his heart to Aunt Minnie. Oct 04 09:43:35 oil tried to save it. Oct 04 09:45:24 dBsooner: I've just granted jaycanuck gitorious commit access too Oct 04 09:45:40 awesome.. I'll let him know if he decides to show his head Oct 04 09:45:50 dBsooner, has been very helpful with the patching :D I definitely would still have a bunch of ??? descriptions at this point :P Oct 04 09:45:51 dBsooner: I'm chatting to him now on gtalk Oct 04 09:46:14 lol.. oh.. so he's who has been stealing you from us. Oct 04 09:46:26 rwhitby, QI will be fully compatible with autopatch :D Oct 04 09:46:31 interoperability ! Oct 04 09:46:34 Aye! Oct 04 09:46:50 Oh yeah.. and I even found a major issue Oct 04 09:46:52 dBsooner: this is the first time I've opened this laptop since I left however many days ago it was ... Oct 04 09:47:02 wb Oct 04 09:47:10 And have been talking with Dieter over at PC.net on the phone a lot Oct 04 09:47:32 oh yea rwhitby when you get a chance can you get rid of all the built ipks from the precentral-themes on the autobuilder Oct 04 09:47:32 He had to basically shut down his themes feed because of me. Oct 04 09:47:41 yep.. that was my doings. Oct 04 09:47:42 :) Oct 04 09:48:18 rwhitby: Yeah, I know. You have been away so long now. We almost collapsed as a channel while you were away. Oct 04 09:48:56 dBsooner: it was a good test to find the single points of failure, as my intent is that there should be none. Oct 04 09:49:11 and we went further on your mv theory for installing via the app catalog Oct 04 09:49:15 but.. with Puff's mean attitude and oil's, go away, and rick's "help everyone" and egaudet's "Aunt Minnie is my friend", and hmagoo's "Get it done" attitudes, we have survived. Oct 04 09:49:24 had to drag icons for two days! ;) Oct 04 09:49:45 hehehe Oct 04 09:50:25 no.. it's oils "why" Oct 04 09:50:46 but, to update to 1.2.1 I uninstalled 30 patches in 5 minutes, updated and reinstalled 30 patches in 5 minutes! success Oct 04 09:51:24 rwhitby: Thank you for the gitorious access. Did you do it on build.git as well? Or do you need my rsa_key.pub? Oct 04 09:51:28 almost tried EPR but it wasn't an emergency so I couldn't get myself to do it Oct 04 09:51:36 hmagoo: i did Oct 04 09:51:42 removed all patches in 45 seconds Oct 04 09:51:49 had them all back in 5 mins Oct 04 09:52:05 I was the tester, heh Oct 04 09:54:11 "i saw the huge list of patches available in preware but when i open the application the option for available patches is greyed out. What gives. Any help appreciated." Oct 04 09:54:16 freakin power outtages :/ Oct 04 09:54:19 he needs to install GNU patch? Oct 04 09:54:25 i know.. I have been talkin smack about ya Oct 04 09:54:31 good thing you got power outages Oct 04 09:54:37 lol Oct 04 09:54:44 * oil looks in logs Oct 04 09:54:50 doh! Oct 04 09:54:53 hmagoo, no Oct 04 09:55:02 he saw the huge list from other people's posts Oct 04 09:55:05 he needs the autopatch-feed Oct 04 09:55:10 then "what gives?" lol Oct 04 09:55:14 he probably has the keyboard installed too Oct 04 09:55:16 oil: Nah.. you'll just see me sucking up to rwhitby asking if I can be an official member of the big boys club. Oct 04 09:55:34 oic, he means huge list outside of preware Oct 04 09:56:25 yea he meant to say "I saw that there was a huge list of patches supposedly available in preware" Oct 04 09:56:51 so he goes into preware, clicks available, and then what "All"? Oct 04 09:57:22 or list of everything? Oct 04 09:57:26 search for autopatch? Oct 04 10:01:25 that was a bigun Oct 04 10:03:24 aunt minnie went to sleep? Oct 04 10:06:56 hmagoo, yea preware, all type auto Oct 04 10:07:16 or just go available apps, hit feeds on bottom, then preyourmind Oct 04 10:07:26 quicker debugging for those who dont have it in their feeds for whatever reason Oct 04 10:08:23 ty Oct 04 10:09:54 open up preware, available applications, feed, all, autopatch-feed Oct 04 10:11:50 hur what Oct 04 10:12:09 to install autopatch Oct 04 10:12:10 rwhitby: you still with us? Oct 04 10:12:20 yep Oct 04 10:12:28 did you get my question about build.git? Oct 04 10:12:56 I did. Oct 04 10:13:40 Hmm.. How do I respond to that? That was smooth. Oct 04 10:15:14 so, the mod moved a patch 1.2.1 thread to a pre forum? Oct 04 10:15:25 or I mean started one in a pre forum? Oct 04 10:15:33 thats messy Oct 04 10:19:21 do you guys get the "This is a WebOS Application" title for some of your installed apps? Oct 04 10:20:01 I have 8 Oct 04 10:21:34 wabbit-hunt, flickr-uploader, safebox, op9 shoutcast, geocache-locator, gdial pro, musicplayerremix, com.palm.pandora(?) Oct 04 10:21:40 ok going to bed goodnight Oct 04 10:22:37 wow Oct 04 10:22:41 i think i finally fixed that bug :/ Oct 04 10:23:18 oil, any idea wth that is? Oct 04 10:23:26 hmagoo, the message tone contact patch thing has been combined, the 2 of the other 3 deprecated, and the 3rd one (message-sounds-alerts) has changed to add alert and notification tones to sounds & alerts app (which is inclued by the all in one sms tone per contact app) Oct 04 10:23:32 dBsooner, did it Oct 04 10:23:38 oh Oct 04 10:23:38 no Oct 04 10:23:40 not that bug Oct 04 10:23:43 that i have no clue Oct 04 10:23:55 i was talking about a bug in dotgame that takes forever to see if ive fixed it Oct 04 10:23:58 ok egaudet, noted Oct 04 10:24:01 yeah I know Oct 04 10:24:12 yep Oct 04 10:24:28 dbsooner, what is the name of the all in one Oct 04 10:24:38 SMS Tone per Contact Oct 04 10:24:38 sms-tone-per-contact Oct 04 10:25:15 k thanks Oct 04 10:25:26 is it up? Oct 04 10:25:45 it will be next time build.git runs Oct 04 10:25:48 :30 Oct 04 10:27:01 dBsooner: not trying to be evasive, just triaging other stuff first. Oct 04 10:27:20 I understand completely rwhitby. You are a wanted man around these parts as of late. Oct 04 10:28:09 anyone know how to do the equivalent of a tr// in python ? Oct 04 10:29:15 good night Oct 04 10:31:24 looks like str.translate is what I want. Oct 04 10:34:17 or Oct 04 10:34:22 maybe i introduced another bug Oct 04 10:34:23 sob Oct 04 10:34:30 and str works with anystring Oct 04 10:34:37 so you can "".translate('', '') Oct 04 10:38:26 woot! git recompiled from source to 1.6.5rc2 Oct 04 10:38:43 and it proved my new custom kernel controls my fan properly! Oct 04 10:38:59 now I am off to bed. rwhitby, I suppose we can talk later? Oct 04 10:39:11 dBsooner: sure, I'm around as normal now Oct 04 10:39:12 custom kernel? Oct 04 10:39:25 tmzt: on my laptop Oct 04 10:39:33 ah, right Oct 04 10:39:45 since your Pre dosn't have a fan Oct 04 10:40:03 rwhitby: cool.. I know I sent you an email about it all. But I am sure it's lost in your inbox. Oct 04 10:40:40 tmzt: who said my Pre doesn't have a fan? Oct 04 10:41:04 my pre has a custom fan Oct 04 10:41:40 lol Oct 04 10:41:47 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/206906-autopatch-sms-tone-per-contact.html is that right? Oct 04 10:43:14 yeah Oct 04 10:43:21 but you might mention in there the name of the new one Oct 04 10:43:28 ikyo is busy in his own life, which is why I had to post that Oct 04 10:43:31 await Oct 04 10:43:32 I did Oct 04 10:43:43 Message Tone Per Contact Oct 04 10:43:45 thats the new one Oct 04 10:43:52 you have it listed as one of the 3 Oct 04 10:44:03 no thread title is the name of the new one Oct 04 10:44:04 wait no its not Oct 04 10:44:07 shit its 5am Oct 04 10:44:09 6am Oct 04 10:44:45 no its 3:44am silly Oct 04 10:45:10 I hope that patch works because I don't know how to fix it, lol Oct 04 10:45:17 Message Tone Options is staying Oct 04 10:45:26 but has been modified Oct 04 10:45:38 * dBsooner goes to look at the repo as it stands now... Oct 04 10:46:30 what is the status of the show actual percent patch inserting into the other two battery percent patches Oct 04 10:46:46 Add changes from dBsooner: Oct 04 10:46:47 combine messaging tone functionality patches that were previously split up into one. Oct 04 10:46:47 Updated message-tone-sounds-and-alerts patch to just include alert and notification tone. Oct 04 10:47:16 so the message tone options is staying, but will be renamed soon Oct 04 10:47:31 it conflicts with the new sms-tone-per-contact Oct 04 10:48:03 because whats in message tone options (adding alert and notif tone to Sounds & Alerts) is already in sms-tone-per-contact Oct 04 10:48:24 and the status of the other is: dBsooner needs sleep. Oct 04 10:48:28 ill get on the rest tomorrow Oct 04 10:49:17 ok, just thought someone did it already Oct 04 10:49:51 hmagoo: read the descripts of those patches we changed tonight Oct 04 10:49:54 it will give you all th einfo Oct 04 10:49:55 ;) Oct 04 10:50:11 since I went through the entire repo and made descripts, we are keeping on top of them now Oct 04 10:51:11 cya Oct 04 10:51:18 nite Oct 04 11:02:46 ok, precentral-themes should be fixed now Oct 04 11:05:44 * rwhitby is on pge 48 of the preware thread Oct 04 11:06:28 yeah Oct 04 11:06:30 the it becomes autopatch thread Oct 04 11:07:01 and the problem of some people not being able to load the preyourmind feed over wifi Oct 04 11:07:36 what was special about it and wifi? Oct 04 11:07:50 you guys have not seen "This is a webOS application." bug yet in preware? Oct 04 11:08:40 oil: does bigwood212 ever get preware to work/ Oct 04 11:09:20 lol Oct 04 11:09:25 that was his problem Oct 04 11:09:29 his wifi connection Oct 04 11:09:48 hmagoo: yeah, though i dont know whats causing it yet Oct 04 11:09:50 that possibly could be the only artifact of me moving around my /var/usr/palm directory to get app catalog working temporarily, if it is just me.. Oct 04 11:10:08 preware certainly never intentionally sets the application title to that on its own Oct 04 11:10:11 it gets it from somewhere Oct 04 11:10:56 let me try removing one of the apps and reinstalling Oct 04 11:13:26 i have 4 packages with that title Oct 04 11:13:40 a version of blocked i installed with the sdk Oct 04 11:13:46 dotgame from the sdk Oct 04 11:13:51 pandora from the catalog Oct 04 11:13:58 and musicplayerremix from homebrew Oct 04 11:14:11 si Oct 04 11:14:27 so, no real pattern Oct 04 11:14:35 unfortunately Oct 04 11:14:49 all palm related no? Oct 04 11:15:01 and gdial uses services I would think Oct 04 11:15:08 gdial doesnt Oct 04 11:15:18 ok Oct 04 11:15:40 though it would probably work better if it did Oct 04 11:15:41 haha Oct 04 11:15:43 yeah I removed shoutcast op9 and reinstalled and it is back with that title Oct 04 11:15:49 it works pretty good Oct 04 11:15:54 now it plays voicemails Oct 04 11:16:47 anybody know if ringtones and other sounds are cached by pulseaudio? Oct 04 11:16:57 are they preloaded or just cached when first played Oct 04 11:18:29 * oil has no clue Oct 04 11:29:12 * hmagoo would never have a clue about anything like that Oct 04 11:38:49 * rwhitby chuckles at http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/200660-preware-66.html#post1942518 Oct 04 11:39:02 oh there has been so much chuckling going on Oct 04 11:39:13 autopatch made people ... well.. Oct 04 11:40:56 what is the #post number link for that post? Oct 04 11:41:41 1942518? Oct 04 11:42:40 found it, but..nm Oct 04 11:43:08 * rwhitby finds it ironic that the autopatch feed is being distributed via the site who's owner was (is?) dead set against patches :-) Oct 04 11:44:03 not anymore Oct 04 11:44:15 did you read the backlog? Oct 04 11:44:16 I mean the feed setup ipkg Oct 04 11:44:26 puff actually edited a patch! Oct 04 11:44:32 oil: not of this channel, no. Oct 04 11:44:36 and, it was his suggestion to include an ipk to add the feed for aunt minnie Oct 04 11:44:47 oil: classic :-) Oct 04 11:44:50 lol Oct 04 11:44:53 i was shocked Oct 04 11:44:57 Jason submitted patches Oct 04 11:45:20 hmagoo: yeah, Jason and I had been talking about that for a while Oct 04 11:45:27 he is a writer now.... Oct 04 11:47:24 http://www.precentral.net/update-12-fixed-serious-file-security-issue Oct 04 11:47:53 http://www.precentral.net/coreplayer-migrating-webos Oct 04 11:48:32 hmagoo: Jason has been a PreCentral article writer for a looong time Oct 04 11:48:52 never noticed, heh Oct 04 11:49:17 why do you think wosqi has a precentral add on it's main panel ;-) Oct 04 11:50:17 on the right? Oct 04 11:50:22 cause that was a recent story? Oct 04 11:50:44 I wonder how many new Preware users we got due to patches not being available in wosqi after 1.2 was released ... Oct 04 11:51:11 boatloads? Oct 04 11:51:30 unfortunately they're all the ones who manage to screw up their own phone Oct 04 11:51:37 we need him to submit the squarify patch (tweak?) Oct 04 11:52:01 i guess he will due to using the autopatch feed Oct 04 11:53:56 was interesting timing of autopatch Oct 04 11:54:17 it was released right before 1.2 Oct 04 11:55:06 the reason why autopatch succeeds is cause the effort of updating the patches can be distributed. that will always be more nimble than an application developed by one person. Oct 04 11:55:43 lol Oct 04 11:56:41 egaudet, get the squarify patch in autopatch feed. ;) Oct 04 11:57:03 the early drive (weeks ago) for a simple interoperable patch format paid off finally ... Oct 04 11:57:14 hugely Oct 04 11:57:24 never had a quilt series of more than 8 or so patches Oct 04 11:57:34 I have 30 patches installed now Oct 04 11:59:35 I have a large tower case with 10 drives in it, need to finally open it up and replace a stick of DDR, and a drive, after 2 or 3 years of it chugging along. so reluctant Oct 04 11:59:58 unopened for that time.... Oct 04 12:00:52 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/206905-webos-quick-install-v2-7-beyond.html Oct 04 12:06:52 lol @ 14 "thanks" with nothing posted Oct 04 12:12:47 33 thanks in that thread Oct 04 12:13:27 * oil goes to sleep Oct 04 12:13:30 heh - http://forums.precentral.net/1943045-post53.html thinks Jason wrote preware :-) Oct 04 12:14:34 i think #58 is funnier Oct 04 12:14:51 thats just about when egaudet started answering posts with yes, or no Oct 04 12:17:39 yeah, that whole thread is hilarious :-) Oct 04 12:18:52 lol Oct 04 12:18:53 yeah Oct 04 12:19:02 now that ive had a good laugh, im actually going to sleep Oct 04 12:21:04 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/205617-pleaseeeeeeeeee-help-i-did-something-wrong.html Oct 04 12:21:11 not yet oil ;) Oct 04 12:22:37 actually Oct 04 12:22:39 after the second post Oct 04 12:22:42 i dont feel the need to read further Oct 04 12:22:43 haha Oct 04 12:23:27 he got 4 thanks for posting no sympathy Oct 04 12:24:08 5 actually xD Oct 04 12:24:52 heh Oct 04 12:25:21 hey, rwhitby's back. Does this mean we all have to get back on topic? Oct 04 12:25:39 6 Oct 04 12:26:06 that is just a bot to make us get back on topic Oct 04 12:29:25 Good luck to it... Oct 04 12:54:24 * rwhitby posts the history of WebOS Patches at http://forums.precentral.net/1946351-post91.html Oct 04 13:38:30 there's thread heat? drama? Oct 04 13:52:06 * rwhitby bbt, still haven't got to email yet ... Oct 04 14:01:32 pwnt Oct 04 14:01:52 fucking irc window stealing focus Oct 04 14:06:58 lol @ that autopatch thread Oct 04 15:01:37 booring Oct 04 15:05:32 Clearly, we're all furiously coding our apps, with little time for chat :) Oct 04 15:06:35 I hope to see a fully functional Halo3 soon - let me know when you have that finished won'tchya ? Oct 04 15:08:47 right Oct 04 15:17:25 does anyone have handy the hack to always show the devmode app in launcher? Oct 04 15:18:02 Since my 1.2 update my devmode button has disappeared again, and i don't wanna type code each time Oct 04 15:19:23 ah nevermind I think I found it Oct 04 15:21:35 rod's back? Oct 04 15:29:10 Palm sent him back in 1.2.1 update Oct 04 15:29:44 seems he is Oct 04 15:29:54 heh :> Oct 04 15:30:17 It must be like.. super late there. Don't want to bug him yet :< Oct 04 15:30:35 i'll do the dirty deed :P Oct 04 15:30:41 rwhitby: YOUR BACK!! Oct 04 15:30:46 :/ Oct 04 15:30:53 Wait, his back? what about it? Oct 04 15:31:15 I can't decide whether I like 4x4 or 5x4 better. Oct 04 15:31:20 s/YOUR/YOU'RE/ Oct 04 15:31:21 Decimation meant: rwhitby: YOU'RE BACK!! Oct 04 15:31:58 zsoc: you like 4x4 Oct 04 15:33:39 the "Download streaming media instead of playing in browser" patch is pure genius Oct 04 15:35:05 hmm Oct 04 15:35:25 hmm? Oct 04 15:35:25 new card per convo likes to open sometimes two cards for the same contact Oct 04 15:36:49 The version of glib on the pre is so old, the source isn't even on the GTK+ website anymore. Oct 04 15:36:59 lol Oct 04 15:37:27 egaudet, the 4x4 patch is in a different category than the 4x4 ver 2 Oct 04 15:37:53 ok so to get all our messages from PalmDatabase.db3 me need to dump 3 tables Oct 04 15:37:58 is rwhitby back? Oct 04 15:38:01 s/me/we Oct 04 15:38:05 zsoc: Which site do you use it most, patch regarding downloading of streaming media Oct 04 15:41:16 thatdude, that's an odd question. I just installed it and tested it on a site to see how it worked. Was just commenting it works well :) Oct 04 15:41:29 kesne, apparently so Oct 04 15:42:36 zsoc: Lol, I know it's an odd question. Was trying to get an idea in how to use it because I don't find it usefull personally. Oct 04 15:43:00 zsoc: But I should try it regardless to see how it works. Oct 04 15:44:01 Er, it's good for things you think you'd like to rewatch or reshow to your friends without having to bookmark a page. Maybe movie or videogame trailers Oct 04 15:48:04 zsoc: It's usefull ;) Oct 04 15:52:43 http://kimt.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/arab.jpg r0tfl Oct 04 15:55:24 That's pretty racist. Oct 04 15:55:32 no its not Oct 04 15:55:34 :S Oct 04 15:56:01 :D Oct 04 15:56:35 ;p Oct 04 15:56:49 en0x: lol Oct 04 16:08:59 Greg, you available? Oct 04 16:32:02 what's the browser multi-mod? Oct 04 16:48:04 to Oct 04 16:49:37 yo Oct 04 16:49:46 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq.html Oct 04 16:49:55 is that working on webos 1.2 Oct 04 16:53:38 afaik yes Oct 04 16:54:06 guys Oct 04 16:54:07 what's the browser multi-mod? Oct 04 16:55:27 those messaging plug-ins work with 1.2.1? Oct 04 16:57:30 okay cool Oct 04 16:57:48 what risk do i have install that shit? Oct 04 16:58:11 there is a fucking reinstall OS option instal there Oct 04 16:58:27 wtf Oct 04 17:04:00 won't install Oct 04 17:04:03 i get error Oct 04 17:08:40 soemthing about checking spelling Oct 04 17:09:07 help me! Oct 04 17:09:28 g'morning ya'll Oct 04 17:10:12 yo Oct 04 17:10:21 phiqtion: the messaging plugin didn't install very well for me on 1.2.1 (first time I've installed it though) Oct 04 17:11:29 first try at installing, it added yahoo. next try added icq. tried a third time, but it never added msn. Oct 04 17:12:26 i jsut get checkk spelling eroor Oct 04 17:13:45 do i need to isntal Oct 04 17:13:50 that internalz shit? Oct 04 17:21:29 oh wel i have file coaster now Oct 04 17:31:08 Decimate, howabout, 'Decimilate'? Oct 04 17:38:36 zsoc: how about HUSH YO MOUTH Oct 04 17:39:18 Hm. Oct 04 17:58:40 help Oct 04 17:58:50 im having problems installing the messaging plugin Oct 04 18:10:09 wait for an msn app Oct 04 18:10:27 okay Oct 04 18:10:48 hurry up with the msn app okay Oct 04 18:10:52 lolz Oct 04 18:16:34 the pre came out in june, give the devs some time Oct 04 18:16:45 it will come out and it will shine Oct 04 18:16:51 they really do have a lot of bases to cover Oct 04 18:17:12 and seemingly trivial things to an end user may not be when all things are considered Oct 04 18:17:25 but fortunately we have webos-internals to fill the gap :) Oct 04 18:17:57 ahh, the 4x4 patch is nice. Oct 04 18:18:54 am i just an idiot if i can't get this messaging shit to insstal Oct 04 18:20:11 haven't tried it Oct 04 18:21:28 http://www.legendaryblogs.com/images/messaging.jpg Oct 04 18:22:14 ah, so it's not something in preware Oct 04 18:22:56 i never install preware Oct 04 18:23:02 do i need to? Oct 04 18:23:28 Preware is just a convenient way of managing homebrew applications directly from your Pre Oct 04 18:23:37 no need to use some piece of software on your PC Oct 04 18:25:22 where do i get it Oct 04 18:25:25 I don't know if the extra IM stuff is in there though Oct 04 18:25:56 I'm not sure actually. You might check the webos-internals page or PreCentral--I dunno how they recommend people install it these days Oct 04 18:26:35 n Oct 04 18:26:36 i Oct 04 18:26:38 figured it out Oct 04 18:30:18 Hi, all. Oct 04 18:30:34 What's the word on adding Jabber support to IM on WebOS? Oct 04 18:31:02 someone was working on that, greg i think Oct 04 18:31:53 Can I help in any way? Oct 04 18:32:34 entity-: I was unable to get it installed, no idea why. It was not writting to WebOS even when I read-write enabled Oct 04 18:33:04 entity-:This was done in terminal. Oct 04 18:34:16 pmw, you'd have to ask him :) doesn't look like he's here at the moment Oct 04 18:36:06 whats the best way to scale down a full desktop wallpaper into pre wallpaper? Oct 04 18:37:57 gimp? Oct 04 18:38:06 im trying with paint.net and its sucking Oct 04 18:38:29 gimp = pimp Oct 04 18:39:50 should it be JPG or PNG to look best on the pre? Oct 04 18:39:50 woot, my function to change rw/ro works Oct 04 18:41:06 anyone knows if a theme breaks any tweaks done to launcher or anything else? Oct 04 18:44:00 phiqtion: png is lossless, so unless it's a really cartoony-looking image, it'll probably be larger than a jpeg. Oct 04 18:44:18 a jpeg saved at sufficiently high quality would probably be best. You can save two and pick one. Oct 04 18:45:36 phiqtion, themes can possibly cause issues Oct 04 18:46:12 some of them used to have entire css/js file overwrites, some of them now contain patches themselves, some of them restored css/js on removal (overwriting some other patches on those files) Oct 04 18:46:21 phiqtion: if you changed the carrier string a theme will probably change it Oct 04 18:50:11 thx ppl Oct 04 18:51:59 the wallpaper is indeed cartoony type Oct 04 18:52:27 it shouldn't exceed a size limit? Oct 04 18:52:39 png will always look the best, but the size of the file will vary Oct 04 18:53:05 will it affect launcher in some way or drain the battery faster? Oct 04 18:53:22 i.e. a screenshot of a desktop usually compresses really well, but a photograph won't Oct 04 18:53:26 it'll just take up more space on the Pre Oct 04 18:54:01 * dBsooner is about to throw either my laptop or Ubuntu out the window.. haven't decided yet. Oct 04 18:54:10 ubuntu Oct 04 18:54:19 switch to win7 Oct 04 18:54:22 acpi crap don't work Oct 04 18:54:24 LOL Oct 04 18:54:25 I run win7 Oct 04 18:54:36 dBsooner: use a decent kernel Oct 04 18:54:48 stop using that pos from ubuntu Oct 04 18:54:52 closing the lid does nothing, fans come and go off when they feel like it Oct 04 18:55:04 lol Oct 04 18:55:11 fn+F keys don't work Oct 04 18:55:12 hmm Oct 04 18:55:18 its my BIOS Oct 04 18:55:25 idle imap in googlesometimes works sometimes not on my pre Oct 04 18:55:26 Insyde H20 Oct 04 18:55:33 dBsooner: its your kernel Oct 04 18:55:39 it dontknow how to talk ot the bios Oct 04 18:55:42 sometimes it doesnt popup a notice as the item arrive Oct 04 18:55:44 cause your bios has broken acpi Oct 04 18:55:44 wasn't there a "bug" in ubuntu with laptop harddrive accesses in mobile mode on laptops Oct 04 18:55:47 u need a special tool Oct 04 18:55:47 PuffTheMagic: what do you recommend? Oct 04 18:55:49 peobably they borked it Oct 04 18:55:54 http://memebeam.org/toys/ToshibaAcpiDriver Oct 04 18:56:02 that might be the old version Oct 04 18:56:10 dBsooner: Have you tried the Karmic beta? Oct 04 18:56:10 i actually beleive the new version is in the kernel already Oct 04 18:56:24 tlp im on 9.10 alpha 5 Oct 04 18:56:25 he dont need to switch distros Oct 04 18:56:27 ah Oct 04 18:56:30 he just needs a better kernel Oct 04 18:56:31 but I think it updated to beta Oct 04 18:56:33 Karmic is Ubuntu Oct 04 18:56:34 or to load the right modules Oct 04 18:56:35 just a newer version Oct 04 18:56:48 dBsooner: modprobe -l Oct 04 18:56:49 I know tlp Oct 04 18:56:52 and paste me the output Oct 04 18:56:57 dBsooner: yeah, was referring to PuffTheMagic Oct 04 18:57:24 default kernel borking ACPI sounds like a bug Oct 04 18:57:35 no thats not it Oct 04 18:57:39 kernel is not borking ACPI Oct 04 18:57:46 toshiba lappys have broken bioses Oct 04 18:57:52 ah Oct 04 18:57:52 and they dont implement acipi properly Oct 04 18:57:57 toshiba laptop has a crappy bios Oct 04 18:57:58 but if it can be fixed, I wonder why Ubuntu doesn't ship the fix by default Oct 04 18:58:00 acpi Oct 04 18:58:13 dBsooner: get me that output please Oct 04 18:58:54 http://webosinternals.pastebin.com/d2ed64fa8 Oct 04 18:59:02 bios's are broken, windows does things to workaround, ubuntu made with assumption that bios does it right, things don't work in ubuntu that might in windows, and it's blamed on linux/ubuntu but it's a bios issue Oct 04 18:59:12 i rebuilt my kernel last night Oct 04 18:59:35 i THINK i am booted into my rebuilt kernel Oct 04 18:59:51 uname -a Oct 04 18:59:54 should give a date I think Oct 04 18:59:58 2.6.31.1-custom Oct 04 19:00:06 yep, it's the one I built Oct 04 19:00:07 -custom Oct 04 19:00:34 egaudet: I installed that "new patch" last night.. the one I split out.. it worked great. Oct 04 19:00:45 dBsooner: u are already running a custom kernel? Oct 04 19:00:58 I am running the one I built Oct 04 19:01:05 but I didn't change any flags Oct 04 19:01:09 nice Oct 04 19:01:11 then why do u have every damn module built Oct 04 19:01:12 I used the .config from the running kernel Oct 04 19:01:16 :D Oct 04 19:01:19 ahh thats why Oct 04 19:01:23 :/ Oct 04 19:01:27 damn ubuntu users :D Oct 04 19:01:38 So you tell me what to do, and I'll do it. Oct 04 19:01:50 * dBsooner would even change distro's, if he had to. Oct 04 19:02:23 udont need to change your distro Oct 04 19:02:25 and I can't load toshiba_acpi Oct 04 19:02:31 sendme your lsmod output Oct 04 19:02:39 i did Oct 04 19:02:43 Tom Brady is the best Oct 04 19:02:45 EVER Oct 04 19:02:51 dBsooner: no u sent me modprobe -l Oct 04 19:02:55 now i want lsmod Oct 04 19:02:57 oh Oct 04 19:03:01 i wasn't paying attention Oct 04 19:03:14 u cant load toshiba_acpi... the one that you have built? Oct 04 19:03:36 http://webosinternals.pastebin.com/d5303f67d Oct 04 19:03:41 Yeah, Oct 04 19:03:43 I can't load it Oct 04 19:03:48 it's for phoenix bios Oct 04 19:04:10 I read that on that page.. if you get that error about something not found it's ebcause its for phoenix bios Oct 04 19:04:14 and I have Incyte Oct 04 19:04:20 Insyde Oct 04 19:04:22 how old is this lappy? Oct 04 19:04:30 less than a year? Oct 04 19:04:37 right at a year Oct 04 19:05:21 oh yeah, btw.. don't do acpi=no Oct 04 19:05:23 :D Oct 04 19:05:28 it didn't like that at all Oct 04 19:05:38 powernow-k8 through a fit Oct 04 19:05:45 s/through/threw/ Oct 04 19:05:45 dBsooner meant: powernow-k8 threw a fit Oct 04 19:07:01 dBsooner: i TOLD you not to disable acpi Oct 04 19:07:03 that is not the issue Oct 04 19:07:08 lol Oct 04 19:07:19 dBsooner: http://memebeam.org/free-software/toshiba_acpi/toshiba_acpi-dev_toshiba_test5-linux_2.6.29.patch Oct 04 19:07:36 cd drivers/platform/x86/ Oct 04 19:07:41 but I would have to downgrade way backwards Oct 04 19:07:48 then apply it Oct 04 19:07:56 it applies clean to .31 Oct 04 19:08:12 it only touches toshiba_acpi.c Oct 04 19:08:23 i thought there was another driver to you could try Oct 04 19:09:32 dBsooner: oh i think u can use the omnibook module Oct 04 19:09:41 I heard about it Oct 04 19:09:45 but I read a bunch of bad thigns Oct 04 19:10:01 it likes to turn the laptop back on 3-15 minutes after shutdown Oct 04 19:10:22 you have to pull the battery for a couple seconds after shutdown Oct 04 19:10:52 http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/omke/omnibook%20kernel%20module/omnibook-20060126/omnibook-20060126.tar.gz?use_mirror=voxel Oct 04 19:11:15 so I'll have to compile the entire kernel again? Oct 04 19:11:19 that took like 2 hours Oct 04 19:11:22 lol Oct 04 19:11:27 yeah cause u build every fucking module Oct 04 19:11:30 disable all that shit Oct 04 19:11:33 only build what u need Oct 04 19:11:37 takes a few min then Oct 04 19:11:41 which I have no clue what I need Oct 04 19:11:41 ;) Oct 04 19:11:53 dBsooner: lspci is your friend Oct 04 19:12:13 u can also look at lsmod output Oct 04 19:12:19 that stuff you have loaded you probably need Oct 04 19:12:26 the rest of the shitu dont Oct 04 19:12:36 make sure your ide controller is built in Oct 04 19:12:40 and the fs for / Oct 04 19:12:43 the rest can be modules Oct 04 19:13:05 you wont need a initrd either Oct 04 19:13:40 omibook doesn't need to be built into kernel, right? Oct 04 19:13:44 right Oct 04 19:13:46 but Oct 04 19:14:03 you may as well use zen-sources Oct 04 19:14:11 and i will get omnibook patched into .31 Oct 04 19:14:18 or .32-rc* Oct 04 19:15:52 ok Oct 04 19:16:36 i just moved all the zen-sources repos to gitosis and non of my devs have pushed any of the goodies to them yet Oct 04 19:18:03 anyone know anything about iPod classics? Oct 04 19:24:25 quickinstall broke my opacity level, initially i turned it completely off and now i went to change it to 50% and some errors came up, and opacity still turned off in launcher. any ideas? Oct 04 19:32:44 my battery drained from 100% to 97 in just one reboot Oct 04 19:32:51 pos Oct 04 19:34:09 actual or reported? Oct 04 19:35:07 ? Oct 04 19:35:51 the battery monitor app shows that reported battery isn't the same as actual battery % Oct 04 19:38:40 right Oct 04 19:38:47 it differs by 3% or so Oct 04 19:39:26 becuase it never charges to 100% it charges to 97% Oct 04 19:39:51 I'm at 98 Oct 04 19:40:36 since 8 am till now 3:40pm I lost 20% of battery including few luna restarts text messages and calls and twitter Oct 04 19:40:40 i need some thoughts on video streaming over http. not sure where to start Oct 04 19:40:48 aint bad in 1.1 i will be probably at 60% by now Oct 04 19:43:51 i see Oct 04 19:44:05 over time i guess the updates will keeep improving battery life Oct 04 19:45:46 daleyjem, probably net2stream gst plugin and icecast Oct 04 19:52:04 I want some way to sinc with sunbird without using google. Oct 04 20:01:25 i really wish 1.2.1 had an email option to change gmail over to the google exchange protocol instead of using imap Oct 04 20:02:06 hey, how do i install the autopatch repo again? i should have written it down, but i am not that smart =( Oct 04 20:07:07 ah ha, internets to the win! Oct 04 20:07:11 preware available apps -> all Oct 04 20:07:21 type auto, install autopatch feed Oct 04 20:07:45 it'd be cool if there were a way to filter out the themes from "List of everything" Oct 04 20:07:53 it's hard to track new apps with all the noise Oct 04 20:07:59 "List of everything, but themes" Oct 04 20:08:04 haha, yeah :p Oct 04 20:08:18 "List of all applications" maybe Oct 04 20:08:59 already have list of all apps without themes Oct 04 20:10:27 whats the autopatch repo? Oct 04 20:10:47 what i did is that i removed themes feeds Oct 04 20:10:56 coz i dont install themes so i dont need them Oct 04 20:11:34 theme-hater! Oct 04 20:11:42 ;p Oct 04 20:11:52 yeah, maybe that's what I should do Oct 04 20:11:56 I have no interest in them Oct 04 20:12:12 aww man, my buddy always fucks up "lol" and types ";p;" and we were just discussing that NO ONE ever types the tongue smiley with a wink Oct 04 20:12:19 and there you go proving it wrong Oct 04 20:12:27 I do it all the time Oct 04 20:12:43 im trying to remove the dialpad vibration patch, and preware cant, error is showing up Oct 04 20:12:45 im on 1.2.1 Oct 04 20:12:46 :p Oct 04 20:12:55 ;] Oct 04 20:12:56 I cant imagine in real life winking and sticking my tongue out haha Oct 04 20:14:03 any thoughts? Oct 04 20:14:39 i'm not seeing it Oct 04 20:17:22 FOUND IT! Oct 04 20:20:32 is there a downlaod link specific to the 1.2.1 release, or can I used the 1.2.0 one Oct 04 20:22:14 for the webos doctor, i need to get a unpatched file for the led patch and want tp know if I can use the 1.2.0 files since I cant find the 1.2.1 download Oct 04 20:29:23 ~seen freakout Oct 04 20:29:25 freakout is currently on #webos-internals (9h 4m 41s). Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 8h, last said: 'Good luck to it...'. Oct 04 20:29:53 ~seen freakout_camping Oct 04 20:29:54 freakout_camping was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 2d 6h 13m 53s ago, saying: 'i'm goin' i'm goin''. Oct 04 20:30:55 Hmm Oct 04 20:45:48 n Oct 04 20:45:55 Hey guys :) Oct 04 21:01:52 anyone around? trying to find a download for 1.2.1 or to know if i can use a 1.2.0 webos doctor to backup a bad patched file Oct 04 21:03:58 Good afternoon everyone Oct 04 21:04:23 Howdy Oct 04 21:15:16 morning Oct 04 21:16:01 its 5pm here :p Oct 04 21:16:11 ~ugt Oct 04 21:16:12 well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Oct 04 21:16:26 Lol Oct 04 21:16:28 ;-) Oct 04 21:17:06 I had to say it. Its a ghost town in here :p Oct 04 21:17:43 lol Oct 04 21:30:27 Any progress with the video recording on the Pre? It has amazing resolution and quality lol Oct 04 21:36:02 Abyssul: EST? Oct 04 21:36:15 Are you talking about timezone? lol Oct 04 21:36:23 lol, yes Oct 04 21:36:28 Yea Oct 04 21:41:45 Hey all... I have my theme in precentral's gallery (created with Jason's Theme builder). How can I add an icon to the theme's .ipk (one that is visible through preware)? Oct 04 21:42:16 You mean zip/xml Oct 04 21:42:31 or does the new theme builder use .ipk? Oct 04 21:42:52 Well I created a zip... but I was under the understanding that the feed turned it into an ipk Oct 04 21:43:55 How it is process shouldn't matter. When I update my theme, I have it all already organized on my PC as it would be if it was on a zip Oct 04 21:44:03 Media, Usr, and screenshots Oct 04 21:44:25 I would edit the files that way and then when I want to update to PreCentral, I compile it into the zip and update the xml manually Oct 04 21:46:11 Ok, I haven't been updating the xml manually.. I've let Jason's app do that for me. Could you point me in the right direction to include code for an icon? Oct 04 21:47:41 The xml is just a ton of and tags Oct 04 21:47:57 What icon would you want to add? Oct 04 21:48:37 I don't want to change an icon on the Pre... I want to create an icon for my theme.. on preware it simply shows a brown card board box. Oct 04 21:49:27 I dont know about that Oct 04 21:50:07 It appears all themes from precentral's gallery have the generic card board box icon... Oct 04 21:50:15 Mmhm Oct 04 21:51:32 all of prethemer themes have icons Oct 04 21:52:22 hmm Oct 04 21:52:22 Yes that appears to be the case... they must use something other than Jason's theme builder. Oct 04 21:52:31 Quick Install is stalling when installing a theme Oct 04 21:52:38 prethemer packages themes for you Oct 04 21:52:41 into ipk Oct 04 21:53:01 I just dont think there is support for package icons in the current zip/xml format Oct 04 21:53:24 Does precentral not package them? Oct 04 21:53:29 There is no support for icons because icons are an ipk thing, and precentral decided to bypass the standard ipk format for their own themes Oct 04 21:53:38 No, PreCentral just hosts the file Oct 04 21:53:58 Rod made sure to create a precentral themes feed that takes the zips from precentral and packages them up into ipk Oct 04 21:54:26 but since precentral doesn't use the ipk standard for themes, they have no concept of icon or metadata Oct 04 21:55:16 So preware converts precentrals .zip into a .ipk? Oct 04 21:55:21 prethemer.com allows you to upload your images and pretty sure an icon and packages it up into ipk and into the prethemer feed Oct 04 21:55:36 preware is only an ipk installer Oct 04 21:56:01 We have a build repository and an autobuilder that bulids everything in that repo every 15 minutes (rebuilding only as needed) Oct 04 21:56:07 Quick question, need help with VK? Oct 04 21:56:35 So the repository does the .zip - .ipk conversion for precentral? Oct 04 21:56:37 rwhitby: hellooo :) Oct 04 21:56:40 This autobuilder is what converts the precentral zips into the ipk standard and puts it into a feed http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral-themes/ Oct 04 21:56:52 MLJ, yea Oct 04 21:57:37 btw, guys, professional keys are 30 dollars for students Oct 04 21:57:37 25 from me - windows 7. Oct 04 21:57:49 So I'm sol if I want to use precentral's gallery rather than prethemer's. (at the current state) Oct 04 21:58:04 Decimate: please don't do that on this channel. Oct 04 21:58:51 MLJ: petition Jason to add icon and screenshot support to the theme builder, and then when the information is in the theme.xml file, I'll update the zip->ipk converter script to include the information in the feed. Oct 04 21:58:54 $10 Oct 04 21:59:06 There is screenshot support Oct 04 21:59:37 rwhitby: Will do, thanks. Oct 04 21:59:43 Well the zip/xml handles screenshots. I dont know if you can add it with the builder Oct 04 22:00:12 or petition Jason to switch to ipk while your at it :P Oct 04 22:00:12 Can anybody help me with VK? installed prewae and unable to get available patches to show up. Tried installing VK through WebOS Quick Installer and no luck there either. Oct 04 22:00:14 Abyssul: where is the spec of the zip/xml you are referencing? Oct 04 22:03:00 I beilieve in the current state... If you add screen shots to Jason's Theme builder then they only show if you install via WebOS QI ... the repository takes the screenshots from precentral's gallery not from the .xml from the theme builder. Oct 04 22:03:10 spec? All I know is that you can add tags to the references in the zip to display screenshots for installation in Quick Install Oct 04 22:03:46 PreCentral could extract those, but I think it would be safer in its current state Oct 04 22:07:53 Is anyone else having troubles installing themes with Quick Install? Oct 04 22:08:24 Guess I will have to use Preware :) Oct 04 22:10:30 :D Oct 04 22:11:11 Why did I have to install that stupid 1.2.1 update. Just made me do a whole hour of work for nothing lol Oct 04 22:11:24 Abyssul: I had no problems a bit ago... (within the hour). Oct 04 22:14:01 Has anyone looked at my theme? I need input about it. No one is really giving me feedback on it Oct 04 22:16:40 Abyssul: link? Oct 04 22:16:49 Abyssul: or name if it's in the feed Oct 04 22:18:14 Flash of Black and Red Oct 04 22:18:24 The current upload is broken. I forget a major file in the zip lol Oct 04 22:19:37 Ahhh thats why! The 1.2.1 changed the framework version Oct 04 22:20:26 Abyssul: Fix it so I can see if it's worth it. Oct 04 22:20:37 Give me 10 minutes Oct 04 22:24:54 Hmm thats not it... Its the same framework version.. Oct 04 22:30:29 I hate updates <.< Oct 04 22:30:56 * oil_ <<3 updates Oct 04 22:35:19 Guess who messed up their Pre :D Oct 04 22:35:32 ^^ the joys of patches Oct 04 22:35:45 uh oh Oct 04 22:36:08 Not patches, just a theme lol Oct 04 22:37:42 themes are dirtier than patches Oct 04 22:37:55 i have 9.66 in change on my desk.. Oct 04 22:37:55 lol Oct 04 22:37:57 i hate ash Oct 04 22:38:00 s/ash/cash/ Oct 04 22:38:00 DraX meant: i hate cash Oct 04 22:38:14 just make sure you remove them all prior to updates Oct 04 22:38:28 i have a ton of change on my desk Oct 04 22:38:41 and on the floor Oct 04 22:38:41 PuffTheMagic: you still working on the IRC service? :] Oct 04 22:38:46 and in a container thing Oct 04 22:39:01 i go spend cash, and then dump the change on my desk Oct 04 22:39:04 and it just builds up Oct 04 22:39:11 and then i feel bad about actually using it Oct 04 22:39:14 ``here, have 50 pennies'' Oct 04 22:39:30 i have 66 pennies Oct 04 22:40:02 everyone does that Oct 04 22:40:57 the most useless coin ever invented Oct 04 22:41:18 all the more reason to use digital money Oct 04 22:41:35 yes exactly Oct 04 22:41:35 The penny was pretty damn useful when it was first created Oct 04 22:41:44 egaudet Oct 04 22:41:45 tlp: its still on my todo list Oct 04 22:41:54 but a lot ofplaces in my neighborhood and lunch places by work are cash only Oct 04 22:41:55 has anyone tried an irc client through terminal on the Pre yet? Oct 04 22:42:00 If my C weren't crap I'd give a stab at it Oct 04 22:42:29 egaudet: BTW, you now have admin privs on gitorious so you can give other people access there. Oct 04 22:42:30 egaudet: we need to have a way to rebuild a package Oct 04 22:42:35 without it changing build # Oct 04 22:42:44 rwhitby: me too? :D Oct 04 22:42:55 * dBsooner is the other patch meister Oct 04 22:43:11 rwhitby: why is gitorious still being used Oct 04 22:43:34 PuffTheMagic: cause it is referenced in so many wiki pages and forum threads Oct 04 22:43:40 ahh, rwhitby is back Oct 04 22:43:43 dBsooner, why would you want to rebuild a package without changing version? Oct 04 22:43:49 * rwhitby bbiab (breakfast) Oct 04 22:43:52 rwhitby: you can make those repos mirror our git other repos Oct 04 22:44:00 becuase I have about 50 screenshots Oct 04 22:44:00 rwhitby: until we get the wiki fixed Oct 04 22:44:11 I don't want to have to make people "upgrade" becase we added a screen shot Oct 04 22:44:27 lol Oct 04 22:44:39 dBsooner, i say tough for them :P Oct 04 22:44:43 blah Oct 04 22:44:58 I had to update all my patches when they were all updated to 0.4.0 Oct 04 22:45:00 I say so we need to be able to rebuild same package # to add screen shot. Oct 04 22:45:12 Abyssul: good.. because some code changed. Oct 04 22:45:24 In this case, just adding a screenshot, no code is changing. Oct 04 22:45:25 I had about 35 of them installed lol Oct 04 22:45:27 we are gonna rename the packages and cause a big mess any way, which is why it was a mistake to even make that autopatch ipk so easy Oct 04 22:45:38 LOL Oct 04 22:45:43 blame puff! Oct 04 22:45:44 xD Oct 04 22:45:46 aye Oct 04 22:45:50 puff's fault Oct 04 22:45:53 brb Oct 04 22:45:54 lol Oct 04 22:46:03 gotta reboot and read this error message.. proabbly write it downt hsi time Oct 04 22:47:17 mmmmm Oct 04 22:47:19 http://unsociable.org/photos/Food/Meats/steak-squash01.jpg Oct 04 22:47:19 http://unsociable.org/photos/Food/Meats/steak-squash02.jpg Oct 04 22:47:23 Would someone mind testing my theme (Flash of Black and Red) ? Oct 04 22:47:41 Took photos with my Pre (if you want to debate it being pre related) :) Oct 04 22:48:22 whats my fault? Oct 04 22:48:59 oh cry me a river Oct 04 22:49:12 people will have issues with patches no matter what we do Oct 04 22:49:17 just accept that Oct 04 22:49:32 Patches aint shit but hoes and tricks Oct 04 22:49:33 You are making me hungry... Oct 04 22:49:34 ;) Oct 04 22:49:38 lol Oct 04 22:49:47 Abyssul, sorry ;( Oct 04 22:49:47 That steak is too rare for me though Oct 04 22:49:56 i love my steak purple Oct 04 22:49:57 :D Oct 04 22:50:01 I prefer it even rarer, but that's the only way my kid will eat it Oct 04 22:50:04 Barney anyone? Oct 04 22:50:20 tlp: yeah irc is still on my list, its just super complicated to do correctly Oct 04 22:50:38 tlp: and i've been trying to learn cmake at the same time Oct 04 22:50:58 hello Oct 04 22:52:34 hello Oct 04 22:52:45 You've lost your nick I'm afraid Oct 04 22:55:03 Puff, have you ever had Grant's Perfect Porter? Oct 04 22:55:25 no, im not a huge porter fan Oct 04 22:56:16 Hrmm Oct 04 22:56:23 <- IPA fan. Oct 04 22:56:40 E'er drank one with actual black patent malt? Oct 04 22:56:50 tlp, favorite IPA? Oct 04 22:56:59 err what is your favorite IPA? Oct 04 22:57:48 hmm, not sure about a favorite IPA, but my pavorite Pale Ale is Mighty Arrow by New Belgium. Oct 04 22:59:53 what's a good scp browser for gnome? Oct 04 23:00:40 GUI browswer that is. Oct 04 23:01:48 scp browser Oct 04 23:01:52 ssh Oct 04 23:01:58 lol Oct 04 23:02:01 besides that Oct 04 23:02:15 Nautilus Oct 04 23:02:34 nautilus is stock in ubuntu too btw I think dB Oct 04 23:02:39 yeah Oct 04 23:02:49 just sftp:// whatever, works ok for me Oct 04 23:05:26 Does anyone know of a tutorial for how to create pre dbus services? Or is it the same thing as any dbus service for linux. Oct 04 23:05:57 dbsooner, I use filezilla Oct 04 23:06:16 schulman: in java or C Oct 04 23:06:23 c Oct 04 23:06:25 schulman: there are no tutorials Oct 04 23:06:32 just working services Oct 04 23:06:36 that you can look at as an example Oct 04 23:06:45 schulman: what are you trying to make? Oct 04 23:06:49 yeah I find that strange, I would assume pandora and others had to create services for their applications Oct 04 23:07:03 what is strange? Oct 04 23:07:36 Well to take full advantage of the pre it seems like services would be important to teach people Oct 04 23:07:41 or browser plugins Oct 04 23:07:44 but I saw a tutorial for that Oct 04 23:07:45 palm dont want people making those yet Oct 04 23:07:50 its all underground right now Oct 04 23:08:13 oh that is a shame, hopefully they will get to that soon Oct 04 23:08:16 some of palm/sprints stuff use them obv Oct 04 23:08:20 right Oct 04 23:08:50 is it much different from writing any dbus app? Oct 04 23:08:56 in c or java Oct 04 23:09:05 apparently the amazon store uses a service Oct 04 23:10:37 i saw it when looking through the doctors root image for icons for the patchs Oct 04 23:12:14 the issue is I want to write a webos APP that writes to a file Oct 04 23:12:22 and as far as I know they have not opened up the API for that Oct 04 23:12:31 even though there is a file picker Oct 04 23:12:33 which is kinda funny Oct 04 23:12:42 the file picker is VERY specific Oct 04 23:12:48 music, pictures, videos Oct 04 23:13:05 and pdfs/documents that hte view can view Oct 04 23:13:12 viewer can view* Oct 04 23:14:10 ahhhh Oct 04 23:14:10 I se Oct 04 23:14:11 e Oct 04 23:14:38 and afaik there is no file writing api Oct 04 23:15:07 I think the terminal has a service, maybe I will just cut and paste the basic DBUS stuff from there Oct 04 23:15:07 though PuffTheMagic was going to make an opensource fileio service Oct 04 23:15:24 the terminal is a browser plugin Oct 04 23:15:30 oh really Oct 04 23:15:38 webos is basically a big browser Oct 04 23:15:42 Abyssul, not to make you more hungry or anything, but that steak was a bone in ribeye, anyway what I usually do is collect the bone+fatty connective tissue from 3-4 ribeyes over the course of a month or so, and then here when it gets nice and wintery I'll get some sirloin, cube it, and then make a beef stew with the bones and other tissue Oct 04 23:15:57 the terminal plugin is placed in the card with an tag if i remember correctly Oct 04 23:15:59 PuffTheMagic: What happened to TheJackass? Oct 04 23:16:21 you think im gonna keep that forver Oct 04 23:16:28 that was just special for you last night Oct 04 23:16:31 i like gdb Oct 04 23:19:56 PuffTheMagic: :( Oct 04 23:25:11 this Oct 04 23:25:17 terminal app doesn't do shit all Oct 04 23:25:22 i just se ea black screen Oct 04 23:25:32 no Oct 04 23:25:33 txt Oct 04 23:25:46 same thing happened to me Oct 04 23:26:21 I uninstalled the app, then installed the terminal service, let it run the script, then in restarts luna - then install the terminal app Oct 04 23:27:14 all this was done from Preware Oct 04 23:27:36 you need luna installed? Oct 04 23:28:00 wtf is luna anyway Oct 04 23:28:12 luna comes on the phone, its basically the GUI afaik Oct 04 23:28:47 I am experiencing the error with browser multi-patch 0.4.x where the files weren't deleted and I couldn't upgrade the patch. i can't delete them through either wosqi or terminal Oct 04 23:29:17 anyone have other ideas? Oct 04 23:30:01 will i have to unistall terminal in order to upgrade webos? Oct 04 23:30:15 I had to Oct 04 23:30:30 I just did the 1.2.1 about an hour ago, and had to reinstall it after Oct 04 23:30:32 gay Oct 04 23:30:36 im not puttin on Oct 04 23:30:51 such is life with all things unofficial Oct 04 23:31:02 unelss its like a 1 click install Oct 04 23:31:09 uninstall Oct 04 23:31:14 as long as you have Preware on it is Oct 04 23:31:23 i do Oct 04 23:31:25 there is a restart of the phone after the terminal service is installed Oct 04 23:32:49 +egaudet: i followed your instructions for deleting the two browser patch files in terminal, but it did not work. what else can i do? Oct 04 23:33:53 preware is way better then filecoaster Oct 04 23:34:06 i wish i would have known that bfore i put filecaoster on Oct 04 23:34:07 never used filecoaster, I'm new to this Oct 04 23:34:33 PrestonJames, what's the error you are getting (tell me ipkg log) Oct 04 23:35:52 PuffTheMagic, so this ipkg service is pretty much working almost completely huh Oct 04 23:36:28 i need to set some env vars before executing postinst/prerm Oct 04 23:36:36 and i need to integrate the confirmation stuff Oct 04 23:36:45 which really dont need tohappen on first go around Oct 04 23:37:07 but i really dont know all the details since i stopped working on the java version Oct 04 23:37:22 so im hoping rwhitby will give some constructive feed back on what its missing Oct 04 23:37:28 +egaudet: "The next patch would create the file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/controllers/downloaddialog-assistant.js, which already exists!" Oct 04 23:38:07 +egaudet: then it goes through the rest of the removal process to undo what it started Oct 04 23:38:24 PrestonJames, you have terminal access? Oct 04 23:38:29 yes Oct 04 23:38:31 mount -o rw,remount / Oct 04 23:38:50 rm -f /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/controllers/downloaddialog-assistant.js Oct 04 23:38:56 mount -o ro,remount / Oct 04 23:41:33 any idea when the virtual keyboard will be updated Oct 04 23:41:50 i want msn in my messaging Oct 04 23:42:40 it would be cool to have msn, if for nothing more than I have a few contacts on that service Oct 04 23:42:47 +egaudet: ok, done Oct 04 23:43:06 try to install now Oct 04 23:44:15 same error Oct 04 23:46:13 MSN is my main IM account Oct 04 23:47:05 mine is mostly a holdover from when I still used windows at home Oct 04 23:49:50 +egaudet: is there any other way to delete that file? Oct 04 23:50:46 can you verify the file is actually still there PrestonJames, using ls inside that directory from the terminal Oct 04 23:51:09 PrestonJames, you just deleted it? Oct 04 23:51:52 i thought the commands you gave me were to delete it? Oct 04 23:52:02 right Oct 04 23:52:20 try this Oct 04 23:52:24 mount -o rw,remount / Oct 04 23:52:30 rm -f /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/controllers/downloaddialog-assistant.js Oct 04 23:52:40 ls /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/controllers/downloaddialog-assistant.js Oct 04 23:53:42 sorry you must have pasted the wrong file, I think it should be: Oct 04 23:53:48 rm -f /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/app/controllers/downloaddialog-assistant.js Oct 04 23:58:48 OK, I think I have now caught up on the major happenings in webos land in the last week and a bit. Oct 04 23:59:29 how was vacation ? Oct 04 23:59:41 +egaudet: sorry about that. it worked perfectly this time. Oct 04 23:59:46 thanks for your help Oct 04 23:59:48 bpadalino: I didn't connect to the internet once ... Oct 04 23:59:54 sounds relaxing Oct 05 00:00:14 np Oct 05 00:00:52 bpadalino: and my son had a lot of fun testing out the 200 homebrew apps I loaded on the Pre before I left. PreChess was his favourite, then SuperDog, then Wizards. Oct 05 00:01:27 nice - did he like the pre in general ? Oct 05 00:01:56 bpadalino: he's 8, so didn't have an opinion on anything other than the games :-) Oct 05 00:02:12 :) Oct 05 00:04:10 rwhitby! Oct 05 00:04:13 ah, so you have a Pre now Oct 05 00:04:57 rwhitby has a pre? Oct 05 00:05:07 yep Oct 05 00:05:15 Grats! Oct 05 00:05:37 US pre w/ no serivice? Oct 05 00:06:09 correct Oct 05 00:06:30 are there CDMA carriers in Australia? Oct 05 00:06:35 nope Oct 05 00:07:07 all of the fun stuff has nothing to do with the phone part anyway Oct 05 00:08:05 tlp: not strictly true - a large percentage of the applications assume a phone or wifi connection. GPS in particular seems to be almost useless (as far as available applications that use it) without carrier assistance. Oct 05 00:08:13 just need an airave picocell with the gps checking hacked out Oct 05 00:08:21 ah Oct 05 00:08:52 bpadalino: the Australian equivalent of the FCC would deem that illegal. Oct 05 00:09:16 I'm sure they'd deem a lot of things illegal Oct 05 00:09:30 But why not? Oct 05 00:09:33 What is an airave picocell? Oct 05 00:09:34 what if you consider it "test equipment" ? Oct 05 00:09:46 luckily, phones always receive first, and don't transmit until they find a valid pilot channel, so the phone should not break spectrum regulations here Oct 05 00:09:49 tlp, http://www.nextel.com/en/services/airave/index.shtml Oct 05 00:10:10 hopefully you'll be able to get one of the GSM versions when they hit, eh? Oct 05 00:10:33 tlp: yeah, but even that won't solve the GPS issue if the local GSM carrier is not supporting the phone Oct 05 00:10:47 wow, that's really cool @ bpadalino Oct 05 00:11:25 annoying that they want $5/month extra for it though Oct 05 00:11:29 indeed Oct 05 00:11:40 it'd be neat if the Pre could just do that on its own with 802.11 Oct 05 00:12:28 I think my first patch creation will be to list the current wifi bssid in the top left instead of the cellular carrier ... Oct 05 00:12:47 PuffTheMagic, going to have to fork before execve right Oct 05 00:13:21 egaudet: you're helping out on the C rewrite of ipkgservice too? excellent. Oct 05 00:15:11 yea although Puff has it pretty much 95% there already Oct 05 00:23:16 anybody notice that the --help on the optware utils is all screwed up? Oct 05 00:23:26 like tar --help shows the listing for tail? Oct 05 00:24:17 kd8cgo: that's not optware, that's Palm's busybox Oct 05 00:24:49 I thought the busybox tools were part of the optware package Oct 05 00:25:15 either way thats kinda weird eh Oct 05 00:25:35 no, busybox is part of the standard Palm firmware. yep, it's weird - it's an off-by-one bug it seems. Oct 05 00:25:48 lol yeah all of them I tried are like that Oct 05 00:26:15 if you type "busybox" you will see the list of commands - just ask for help for the next one in that list to get what you want Oct 05 00:26:39 ahh very good then Oct 05 00:27:01 I have been using the help and man in my ubuntu box, but I have a feeling the busybox versions might be a bit different for some htings Oct 05 00:27:37 they are Oct 05 00:28:27 wow they cramed a lot in the one executable Oct 05 00:29:18 kd8cgo: that's the whole idea of busybox Oct 05 00:29:33 it's used in just about every linux-based embedded device from routers to phones Oct 05 00:30:05 this is cool, I've never played with an embedded linux before, although I was planning on trying out a WRT flash at some point Oct 05 00:30:25 wow - webos-internals.org is consistently pushing out 4MBit/sec of traffic for the last 6 hours ... Oct 05 00:31:22 fthe repo is on that server you mean, or just the site traffic from browsers? Oct 05 00:31:37 either way seems like a lot to me Oct 05 00:31:52 both are on that server Oct 05 00:32:17 it's not even blinking though - we're connected to multiple GB/s interfaces to Internet2 at osuosl. Oct 05 00:33:09 OSU is Oklahoma or Ohio? Oct 05 00:33:26 oregon Oct 05 00:33:35 oh heh too many O's Oct 05 00:33:54 I've downloaded a lot of things from that osl, never knew it was in oregon Oct 05 00:34:14 I think my last few Ubuntu ISO's came from there Oct 05 00:34:30 always full speed on my connection, which is not common for a lot of sites Oct 05 00:34:39 webos-internals.org is in the same rack as master.kernel.org ... Oct 05 00:35:01 wow there must be some pretty important people involved here :P Oct 05 00:35:30 I see your host says nslu2, did you come over from that project? Oct 05 00:35:51 open source people help each other out. I run the nslu2-linux.org project too. Oct 05 00:36:01 holy smokes thats cool Oct 05 00:37:14 I never got one, but I got the new WRT6710nl w/ linux hoping to play with some similar features, it has a usb port for mass storage Oct 05 00:37:27 there are no firmwares for it yet I don;t think Oct 05 00:38:47 sorry type I think it is a wrt160nl Oct 05 00:39:07 PuffTheMagic, you use tabs!? Oct 05 00:39:37 kd8cgo: I'm a developer in openwrt too - I'd recommend openwrt for that router. Oct 05 00:40:21 wow all things embedded, eh... OpenWRT is the one I had looked at most recently Oct 05 00:41:54 re: the busybox bug mentioned earlier, what happens if you --help the last command? Oct 05 00:42:30 outputs the correct help Oct 05 00:42:34 so does the one preceding it Oct 05 00:42:41 yes, zcat Oct 05 00:42:57 oh, nevermind. Seemed like a potential exploit Oct 05 00:43:26 makes me wonder where it goes right Oct 05 00:45:18 PuffTheMagic, pushed successfully tested install/remove of a patch from luna-send Oct 05 00:47:36 Ugh. My mom was going to get a Palm Pre, and I figured I'd get to mess around with it from time to time (she lost her blackberry and was upgrading the spare phone to replace it)... But the billing scheme for a pre is a total screw-job. Oct 05 00:48:24 Uh -- no it isn't. Oct 05 00:48:26 it's the same 99 dollar unlimted package you get with any phone Oct 05 00:48:36 We have at least 4 sprint phones. we'd have to convert our family plan account to a 'Pre' account, have to pay $20 per extra phone instead of $10, and etc, etc, by the time the whole mess was done it added $50 to our bill. Oct 05 00:48:49 she just got another blackberry. :P Oct 05 00:49:09 ahhhh well, that's a different thing. ' Oct 05 00:49:19 total freaking screw-job. -_-; Oct 05 00:49:21 mine is on something called Everything Data 450 Oct 05 00:49:28 because I don;t use the phone part much Oct 05 00:49:40 hm. Oct 05 00:49:46 comes in at under 60 with my employee discount through my work Oct 05 00:49:48 unlimited everything.. 99 bucks. Oct 05 00:49:52 If you want to mix and match pre with non-pre phones, the non pre phones inherit the unlimitedness of the pre, so it's 20 instead of 10 Oct 05 00:50:16 unlimited 450 for the pre iws $69 Oct 05 00:50:32 450 minutes unlimited mobile to mobnile on any charrier unlimited data unlimited text Oct 05 00:50:40 unlimieted nights and weekends. Oct 05 00:50:48 yeah i get a 25% off through my employer which is nice Oct 05 00:50:54 me too Oct 05 00:51:02 so, the only "lmiit" in the pre 450 plan is 450 minutes amonth to landline phones during the day Oct 05 00:51:04 not much of a limit Oct 05 00:51:05 plus 90% of the phone use for me is data/text Oct 05 00:51:13 either way, my dad just wasn't up for paying $200 a month, especially when one of the phones is my grandma's and we already have unlimited of the one thing we need (internet) and enough minutes to last the month. Oct 05 00:51:25 plus they added unlimited mobile to mobile to any carrier, yeah thats not much of a limit any more Oct 05 00:51:52 well, still it's not a screw job. It's a different pricing model, but it's based on the idea that pre users use a LOT more data than non-pre users and that's plenty fair Oct 05 00:52:07 and it's CHEAPER than the equivalent at att or verison or tmobile by a good bit Oct 05 00:52:30 So Oct 05 00:52:34 I have three phones with unlimted everything package and my bill is $130 a month Oct 05 00:52:41 yep Oct 05 00:52:51 I live in Southeast Houston (near the water), and the other day I had to meet someone halfway between Houston and San Antonio (middle of nowhere) Oct 05 00:52:52 I had a mogul and was paying for the tethering package (PAM), now that was a screw job :P Oct 05 00:52:55 ...we're paying like $150 already with the phones we have. >>; Oct 05 00:53:04 And my Pre maintained it's SSH connection in terminal to my server for 275 miles while driving Oct 05 00:53:07 ;) Oct 05 00:53:09 Sprint's data owns Oct 05 00:53:15 try to do that with ATT :) Oct 05 00:53:37 my old samsung upstage and it would just tether with a simple data package 1.5mbit. I never got charged anything extra Oct 05 00:53:40 I have been hooked on Sprint data for a long time now Oct 05 00:53:41 and the blackberry has unlimited data anyway, so switching to the pre we'd be within the same limits of with the blackberry. the price jump is ultimately pointless. Oct 05 00:53:56 Yadda if you have four phones, $99 for unlimited evverything, but 3 x 20 for additional phones is $159 a month Oct 05 00:54:05 You can't do anything data intensive with a blackberry ;) trust me Oct 05 00:54:08 I don't see how you get $200 Oct 05 00:54:17 it has to do with what we have set up already. Oct 05 00:54:20 I use it everyday on my work Mogul, and use VPN and drive around a 3 county area tethered to a laptop with little problem Oct 05 00:54:23 some extra plans here and there, data and such. Oct 05 00:54:31 well, services, nto plans Oct 05 00:54:32 *not Oct 05 00:54:47 yes Yadda, but if you delete all those and move to unlimited everthing, and then 3 add on phones, that's $159 and no add on plans needed Oct 05 00:55:23 and honestly, the reality is that the data useage on a pre is MANY TIMES the data useage on a blackberry. Many many times. Oct 05 00:55:27 wait, no, no, I was wrong -- apparently since we already had multiple phones, we had to take a $130 plan or something Oct 05 00:55:37 uh no. Oct 05 00:55:55 Yadda is a fed, he was sent to infiltrate here and convert us to blackberries Oct 05 00:56:02 and we couldn't cancel the plan because there's 17 months left on the blackberry Oct 05 00:56:07 if you were told that, you were speaking to someone who did not understand. Oct 05 00:56:30 Sprint's policy is that you can ALWAYS convert from one billing plan to anther as long as you stay a sprint subscriber. Oct 05 00:56:36 if you want to get really shady, just get a single acocunt and add multiple phones with it. they will send you free phones. Sell those free phones and then take your palm pre's into the store and activate them on the new numbers and you save Oct 05 00:56:46 yeah I though you could change your plan with sprint at any time no charge, just extends you back out to +24 months or whatever Oct 05 00:56:54 absolutely Oct 05 00:57:19 I've changed my plan with them shittons of times Oct 05 00:57:21 does ipkg support conflicts? Oct 05 00:57:21 and you could have upgraded one of the OTHER phones to the pre, and bought a 29 dollar phone for your grandmother. Oct 05 00:57:24 add EVDO for a month while going on vacation Oct 05 00:57:27 then remove it afterwards ;) Oct 05 00:57:43 (back when EVDO+Phone As Modem was $50/month) Oct 05 00:57:44 we did upgrade another phone. blackberry was lost. long story Oct 05 00:57:47 really, whoever you were working with at sprint wasn't really being helpful Oct 05 00:58:07 did you not have insurance on the blackberry? Oct 05 00:58:24 You should be able to do this all online on the account manager without talking to someone right? thats what I did. Oct 05 00:58:26 for some reason, no. blame the people at the OTHER sprint store that sold it to us Oct 05 00:58:54 kd8cgo: if it's a sufficiently complex change, no, you need to speak to a rep. Oct 05 00:59:14 but if you don't get what you want, ask to be escalated, the second tier people have good training and flexability. Oct 05 00:59:17 ahh, mine is single line/phone, probably why mine was ok Oct 05 00:59:46 kd8cgo: we have a mixture of 14 phones and data cards on our plan. It's ''' complex ''' Oct 05 01:00:02 good lord Oct 05 01:00:07 and $400 plus a bit a month Oct 05 01:00:12 but yeah, if I'm inaccurate here, not my fault. but here's what happened Oct 05 01:00:16 blackberry, lost. no insurance. Oct 05 01:00:20 spare phone was to be upgraded Oct 05 01:00:47 people told us we had to switch to a pre plan, take the $130 rate because of multiple phones. our other phones would go to $20 instead of $10. Oct 05 01:00:53 blackberry could NOT be cancelled Oct 05 01:00:59 contract, commitment, etc. Oct 05 01:01:02 17 months left Oct 05 01:01:47 ok... so the blackberry was the primary... Oct 05 01:02:07 donn' WHAT was the primary because of how much crap is going on in the account. Oct 05 01:02:08 well, again, your rep was insufficently creative. Oct 05 01:02:14 but too late now. Oct 05 01:02:22 you would need a bill from 2 months ago to tell Oct 05 01:02:36 but if the blackberry WASN'T primary, then this is simply incorrect. Oct 05 01:02:56 also, never EVER have a smartphone without the insurance. Oct 05 01:03:03 so rick, when is your talk thing? Oct 05 01:03:09 Oct 28 Oct 05 01:03:22 the on-line one I'm recoriding tommorow Oct 05 01:03:35 for download? nice Oct 05 01:03:40 yep Oct 05 01:03:46 sprint's developer home page. Oct 05 01:03:53 you putting it up for download before the conference? Oct 05 01:04:01 or do i have to wait till the 28th to listen? Oct 05 01:04:13 SPRINT is putting up a 6 to 10 minute version before the conference on the dev home page. Oct 05 01:04:51 Are you coming to Santa Clara????? Oct 05 01:04:52 kind of a "come and you get to hear the rest!" type of thing? Oct 05 01:04:55 egh I refute the insurance thing Oct 05 01:05:00 okay, I just looked, we have 30 days to change everything Oct 05 01:05:01 I've had sprint service and phones for 10 years Oct 05 01:05:06 no, i dont feel like driving down Oct 05 01:05:06 lol Oct 05 01:05:14 guys, type up everything that you said for me in a way I can present it to the sprint store employee Oct 05 01:05:17 and if I had insurance I would have spent $900 over the course of time on insurance, not to mention $35 deductible for each case Oct 05 01:05:18 we're going back tomorrow Oct 05 01:05:28 maybe if there was something in seattle i would go check that one out Oct 05 01:05:35 So I've replaced one phone out of pocket, handed out cash, and it was a $350 phone Oct 05 01:05:42 so i'm still ahead $550 ;P Oct 05 01:06:02 You never buy extended warranties or insurance Oct 05 01:06:06 on anything Oct 05 01:06:14 I dropped the insurance on my mogul after about a year when they became cheap enough on ebay Oct 05 01:06:28 hello? Oct 05 01:06:37 as long as you don't sink too much in premiums it's worth it out of the gate, imo Oct 05 01:06:47 could someone throw together all the details for me? Oct 05 01:06:51 in a coherent document? Oct 05 01:07:03 I want something to present to the sprint store employees. Oct 05 01:07:24 Yadda, I don't know enough about the whole billing thing, just the generalities Oct 05 01:07:58 Yadda a sufficiently detailed document can't be prepared without seeing the bill. Oct 05 01:08:01 well can I just have the generalities then so I havea general cheat sheet? Oct 05 01:08:05 *have a Oct 05 01:08:05 which I do not want to do Oct 05 01:08:16 I just want what was said before in one coherent place Oct 05 01:08:28 I'm determined to get that crackberry OUT OF THIS HOUSE. Oct 05 01:08:33 ok Oct 05 01:08:35 look Oct 05 01:08:43 try this.... Oct 05 01:09:08 sounds liek they were selling Sprint Everything Data Family 1500 if they quoated 130 Oct 05 01:09:27 step 1. Take the lost blackberry, and replace it with a throwaway $29 phone -- it has 17 months left so you can't cancel it, but you do NOT have to replace it with a blackberry Oct 05 01:09:36 replace it with the cheapest phone sprint has. Oct 05 01:09:45 when we replaced it, since it was uninsured they restarted the contract. Oct 05 01:09:46 D: Oct 05 01:10:28 but yeah, got ya so far. listening. Oct 05 01:11:53 * rwhitby bbl Oct 05 01:12:19 step 2 -- upgrade the oldest phone to the pre Oct 05 01:12:25 which costs something -- whatever Oct 05 01:12:35 now, pick up the everything-data 450 family Oct 05 01:12:42 which is 130. Oct 05 01:12:57 put phone 2 onto that phone -- second phone included at no additional charge. Oct 05 01:13:02 okay, we won't be replacing the blackberry because we can't. we upgraded the old phone to the new blackberry, but that can be undone within 30 days Oct 05 01:13:28 then put two more ohones on that plan at $20 each for a total of $170. Oct 05 01:13:42 and you're done. Oct 05 01:13:51 Is there 1.2.1 webos doc? Oct 05 01:14:27 sorry 1500 minutes not 450 Oct 05 01:14:38 rick_home: it looks good Oct 05 01:14:53 sprint quotes this at $169.97 Oct 05 01:15:11 which, I admit, is $20 more than you are paying now. Oct 05 01:15:12 oil, rick? Do you know if there is a 1.2.1 webos doc yet? Oct 05 01:15:23 dBsooner: probably? Oct 05 01:15:27 lol Oct 05 01:15:28 thanks Oct 05 01:15:51 visit that site and get hte link for all of us Oct 05 01:16:00 sigh Oct 05 01:16:00 ok Oct 05 01:16:12 good night all Oct 05 01:17:07 good night?! Oct 05 01:17:11 its 6pm Oct 05 01:17:12 lol Oct 05 01:17:35 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Oct 05 01:17:46 its 8pm central? you're really going tobed? Oct 05 01:18:15 that's for Sprint 108.171 Oct 05 01:18:21 thats the same url as 120 Oct 05 01:18:26 i thought so Oct 05 01:18:34 check the md5sum Oct 05 01:18:43 i will once its dl'd Oct 05 01:18:45 see if its 93c3f106b7a7e5ef572465dcb4488e1c Oct 05 01:18:55 k Oct 05 01:20:00 well i think ive FINALLY fixed that bug in dotgame Oct 05 01:20:13 and by fixed, i mean, worked around so it still works even if it crops up Oct 05 01:20:18 lol Oct 05 01:20:36 every little change would take like 10 mins to see if i had fixed it Oct 05 01:20:53 heisenman: pingpong Oct 05 01:23:16 yep, its 1.2.0 on web os doc Oct 05 01:24:12 then to answer your question: no, there isn't a 121 doc yet Oct 05 01:24:15 xD Oct 05 01:24:24 glad I could help Oct 05 01:29:39 I just killed the bug in reversi's ai. Oct 05 01:29:48 lol Oct 05 01:29:52 this bug was a real pita Oct 05 01:29:54 palm-log -f com.boatrights.reversi is a godsend Oct 05 01:29:54 it only happends on device Oct 05 01:30:04 and at the end-game portion of the huge board Oct 05 01:30:10 ouch Oct 05 01:30:17 so it takes 10 mins of playing just to see it Oct 05 01:30:25 lol Oct 05 01:30:27 mod the board initialize to a near-filled state? Oct 05 01:30:34 yeah Oct 05 01:30:38 i could have probably done that Oct 05 01:30:39 haha Oct 05 01:30:45 I -love- palm-log -f Oct 05 01:31:07 i usually telnet in and tail -f /var/log/messages Oct 05 01:31:13 oil Oct 05 01:31:14 basically the same thing, right? Oct 05 01:31:17 no Oct 05 01:31:22 this is MUCH COOLER Oct 05 01:31:23 just, without extra junk Oct 05 01:31:34 it filters out everything that isn't for the app you requested Oct 05 01:31:40 and it updates in real time as the app runs Oct 05 01:31:56 yeah, so does tail -f Oct 05 01:32:00 on the messages file Oct 05 01:32:05 well, it doesnt filter Oct 05 01:32:06 but its real-time Oct 05 01:32:12 and cleanes up the lines so iall you have is the time-stamp Oct 05 01:32:16 and the log info Oct 05 01:32:20 none of the junk Oct 05 01:32:24 yeah Oct 05 01:32:31 there is a lot of junk Oct 05 01:32:34 yeah Oct 05 01:32:52 but it only grabs Mojo.log? Oct 05 01:32:52 so, I could build a function to echo the board state to the log Oct 05 01:32:57 does it grab alert() Oct 05 01:32:58 ? Oct 05 01:33:04 info, warnings and errors and alerts Oct 05 01:33:08 i usually use alert() cause im used to it, and its less typing Oct 05 01:33:09 lol Oct 05 01:33:36 and the board state comes out clean on the screen.... Oct 05 01:33:46 I'm testing a new AI function Oct 05 01:34:13 useing cell weighting - which is heuristically updated, so I needed to display the cell weights for each cell after each move. Oct 05 01:34:17 this helped a LOT Oct 05 01:34:28 to make it smarter Oct 05 01:35:44 trying Oct 05 01:36:39 the bug i just fixed was the only problem people have had with dotgame Oct 05 01:36:41 so thats good Oct 05 01:36:58 and im still trying to determine if i should charge for blocked or not Oct 05 01:37:08 while keeping a full version of it + the designer in homebrew Oct 05 01:37:21 lol Oct 05 01:39:17 had someone last night trying to tell me that his definition of "hacking" the pre was dev mode Oct 05 01:39:27 lol Oct 05 01:39:47 that's a pretty good hack Oct 05 01:39:55 konami hack! Oct 05 01:40:04 konami hakku! Oct 05 01:40:16 xD Oct 05 01:40:50 details of my vulnerability published finally! http://tlhsecurity.blogspot.com/2009/10/palm-pre-webos-11-remote-file-access.html Oct 05 01:42:23 nice Oct 05 01:42:48 your first name is townsend? Oct 05 01:43:05 that's a pretty normal name some places Oct 05 01:43:07 thats quite the original first name Oct 05 01:43:09 very official name Oct 05 01:43:16 ive never met anyone with that first name Oct 05 01:43:16 lol yeah Oct 05 01:43:37 well thanks =] Oct 05 01:43:56 tharris-, that exploit is both simple and pretty :) Oct 05 01:43:56 good vulnerability catch too, I had not read about it before Oct 05 01:44:01 tharris-: congrats on the report and getting that fixed. Oct 05 01:44:13 thanks man, destinal ur in the notes =p Oct 05 01:44:29 that i am sending ot secunia and bugtraq Oct 05 01:44:48 kd8cgo, details were literally just published Oct 05 01:45:07 tharris-: if not for your work, a lot of vulns either wouldn't be found, or if found, they'd be fixed silently. Palm doesn't seem to think we need to know the details. Oct 05 01:45:53 they go back and update the notes after a while, though i know some people identified vulns ot them and they have not gotten the same treatment or the vulns have not been addressed yet Oct 05 01:46:22 i only waited this long since people were downgrading Oct 05 01:46:24 tharris-: the release notes for this one just said some vulnerabilities were fixed IIRC, not even what they were or what could be done with them Oct 05 01:46:44 yeah i have never seen a company not disclose the information Oct 05 01:46:45 Hi - I'm trying to install tweaks but getting this error a couple times after it says I need the GNU and diffstat Oct 05 01:46:57 http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7624/erre.png Oct 05 01:47:00 even apple discloses SOME information Oct 05 01:47:06 * zsoc thinks everybody needs the GNU Oct 05 01:47:40 GNU lovin Oct 05 01:47:50 tharris-: other companies have taken this approach of fixing things quietly, though it's almost always criticized (fairly I think) Oct 05 01:48:28 Does anyone have an idea why my theme is stalling Quick Install? Oct 05 01:49:06 well, I am sure they are not happy on the details, but it has been 2 months and 2 patches later Oct 05 01:49:39 and i still have 2 more disclosures (not as bad as this one) for webos 1.1 Oct 05 01:54:09 Abyssul: does your theme have text elements in it? Re-writing css or js files? Oct 05 01:55:08 So, once again, I'm trying to install tweaks using WebOS Quick Install, but getting this error a couple times after it says I need the GNU and diffstat patches: http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7624/erre.png Oct 05 01:56:43 use preware. Oct 05 01:58:29 or install those patches Oct 05 01:58:40 are you using qi 2.7 ??? Oct 05 01:58:54 rick_home, yea Oct 05 01:59:05 guys clearly he needs the GNU Oct 05 01:59:24 I can add it to the list of install items Oct 05 01:59:33 but then when I actually go for the install Oct 05 01:59:36 error Oct 05 01:59:51 install preware Oct 05 02:00:06 K, Ill give it a shot. Oct 05 02:00:37 I haven't seen Jason R in here lately Oct 05 02:00:46 but you might want to post a comment into the qi thread Oct 05 02:01:12 yeah, disclosures all done, what a PITA Oct 05 02:01:39 hehehehehe Oct 05 02:01:55 Nrbelex: armv7 packages require that Package Manager Service is installed, for the arch.conf symlink to be put in place by the ipkgservice postinst. So install that and Preware and you'll be set. Oct 05 02:01:57 scooby laugh :p Oct 05 02:02:18 tharris-: what do people actually call you? The only other townsend I ever met was called "Ned" -- Oct 05 02:03:13 "Ladd" middle name Oct 05 02:03:50 townsend not a great name to grow up with, especially when ur parents gave you three last names :/ Oct 05 02:04:19 ouch Oct 05 02:04:29 I am also a middle name person Oct 05 02:05:50 :/ Oct 05 02:06:07 now i get to take a break from beating on this phone a little... Oct 05 02:06:24 my mom said "Two Jim's is one too many, we're calling him Rick." James Richard boatright Jr.... Oct 05 02:06:41 thank god she didn't say "we're calling him Jr. Oct 05 02:06:46 i've found online that the pre can stream video over RTSP Oct 05 02:06:56 haha Oct 05 02:07:03 not to be confused with RESPECT Oct 05 02:07:15 daley, it does have URI handlers for it Oct 05 02:07:48 yes, but seemingly enough, it can't handle mp4 files across HTTP Oct 05 02:08:11 i have never had luck with the streaming ability Oct 05 02:08:14 i've not yet got a video to work with mpg Oct 05 02:08:29 i did get music to stream nicely though Oct 05 02:08:45 this thing called Live555? Oct 05 02:09:07 555? Oct 05 02:09:09 unfort. it doesn't support mp4 streaming FROM it, and i think that's the key Oct 05 02:09:16 not 365? Oct 05 02:09:54 i think mp4 (h264 or h263) over rtsp will do it Oct 05 02:11:08 is anyone currently utilizing some sort of video streaming service on their pre? Oct 05 02:11:50 I'd like to see a slingbox app... but no, not I. Oct 05 02:12:34 yeah... that could be big Oct 05 02:12:45 i'm inquiring because i want to do something similar to that Oct 05 02:13:10 daleyjem, i'm pretty sure i answered this question for you earlier Oct 05 02:13:18 but transcoding/streaming files from a home storage drive Oct 05 02:13:21 That and a pong that uses the gesture area to move the paddle, thats on my wishlist Oct 05 02:13:51 i remember net2stream... was that you? Oct 05 02:15:06 * rwhitby bbl Oct 05 02:15:22 what kind of server is this precentral.net on anyone... it sure is slow Oct 05 02:15:26 daleyjem, that was me Oct 05 02:16:10 it's on a server that aunt minnie loves to hammer Oct 05 02:16:23 precentral has been sort of massively overloaded by pre users. Oct 05 02:16:34 * oil should get on the precentral writing team so he can make a post on the front page about preware updates Oct 05 02:16:50 Guys I have an algorithms question Oct 05 02:16:50 xD Oct 05 02:16:54 they seem to include the preware, they love quickinstall though Oct 05 02:16:56 oil, this one's for you Oct 05 02:17:01 net2streams is only audio though isn't it? Oct 05 02:17:57 i want to push out streams from home and catch them on my pre through a cataloging UI of sorts Oct 05 02:18:35 btw is the autopatch feed stable now? Oct 05 02:19:02 daleyjem, icecast :) Oct 05 02:19:14 oh, forgot about that one Oct 05 02:19:19 lemme take a look Oct 05 02:19:20 thanks Oct 05 02:19:44 I have a directed cycle graph (aka a directed circle with nodes)... each node has a weight, give me an algorithm that only checks each node once and gives me a starting point from which I can go around the cycle adding the weight of each successive node and never have a negative total weight (assuming this start point exists) Oct 05 02:20:47 daleyjem, and i think i meant shout2send, not net2stream. it's been awhile, i'm hazy Oct 05 02:21:32 now are you sure any of these serve video and not just audio? Oct 05 02:21:38 preman: ask on stackoverflow? Oct 05 02:21:41 PreMan: how are the nodes linked? Oct 05 02:21:51 all i'm seeing are audio formats on these Oct 05 02:22:02 rick_home, directed graph (one way) its a cycle Oct 05 02:22:07 ok Oct 05 02:22:15 and the starting point is arbitrary? Oct 05 02:22:25 for your first pass. Oct 05 02:22:30 daleyjem, icecast supports video streaming through theora. google the rest :P Oct 05 02:22:41 and weights can be negative, but you don't want the running total to be negative Oct 05 02:23:01 you only get one pass, and you need to determine a starting point that will always have a positive total weight as you traverse through the graph Oct 05 02:23:09 yes, don't want running total to be negative correct Oct 05 02:23:12 and you don't want to simply bruit force this by copying the weights into an array and iterating it "N" times until you find such a starting point. Oct 05 02:23:33 right no nsquared is allowed Oct 05 02:23:40 ok Oct 05 02:23:49 well, do you know how many nodes there are? Oct 05 02:23:54 before you start? Oct 05 02:24:31 it just says given n nodes... but if it makes it easier maybe i guess Oct 05 02:24:47 as i intend to do. Oct 05 02:24:51 yeah, the quesition is, are you given N..... Oct 05 02:25:00 pretend for a moment you are given N. Oct 05 02:25:05 ok Oct 05 02:25:20 create an array, "wentNeg" of length N. Oct 05 02:26:02 create an array, "runningTot " of length N. Oct 05 02:26:07 we're in node 0 Oct 05 02:26:15 if 0 is neg wentneg becomes True Oct 05 02:26:24 if not, runningtotal(0) is value 0 Oct 05 02:26:28 step to node 1 Oct 05 02:26:38 if neg, wentneg of 1 is true Oct 05 02:26:52 else we update runningtotoal 1 and 0 and check 0 for wentneg Oct 05 02:27:00 continue. Oct 05 02:27:27 the thing that's TRICKY is, consider node N Oct 05 02:28:15 when you get to N, you have to get tricky Oct 05 02:28:57 because if N is positive, then since you're not allowed to cache the values, how do you get the state of N at each point around the circle.... Oct 05 02:29:06 exactly Oct 05 02:29:07 hmmmmmmmm Oct 05 02:29:13 thats the point i've got to, and failed to get past Oct 05 02:30:03 rick_home = rhong? Oct 05 02:30:30 there's a recursive solution sitting in the back of my mind, and I'm not able to bring it forward. :-( Oct 05 02:30:59 this is most unfortunate, but thanks much for trying, tell me if anything comes to mind Oct 05 02:31:07 PreMan Oct 05 02:31:10 wait a moment Oct 05 02:31:17 kk no prob Oct 05 02:31:35 ok the bottom of the recursion stack is simple -- if thisnode is negative, return Fail. Oct 05 02:31:43 right Oct 05 02:31:56 the next step is pretty simple Oct 05 02:32:48 Well... I think I may have a way to get a Pre. Has to do with contract clauses. Oct 05 02:32:54 if thisnode + prevnode is negative return Prevnode .Fail Oct 05 02:33:14 damn it Oct 05 02:33:17 I can't state it. Oct 05 02:33:28 PreMan check back in an hour. If it comes to me I'll tell you Oct 05 02:33:36 ok Oct 05 02:38:22 lol Oct 05 02:39:53 .... ok now im bored Oct 05 02:40:56 how can i manually remove the on screen keyboard? Oct 05 02:41:15 tharris-: get to hacking then Oct 05 02:41:16 ah, found the link on the wiki, lets see if it works Oct 05 02:41:41 tharris-, go fetch a gstreamer expect to help me out :> Oct 05 02:41:48 s/expect/expert Oct 05 02:42:01 tharris-: the reason why precentral seems to love quickinstall is cause the quickinstall author is the one who writes and publishes the articles about it on precentral :-) Oct 05 02:42:32 yeah jason Oct 05 02:43:38 * oil becomes writer Oct 05 02:44:39 rick_home, I found the solution thanks anyway though Oct 05 02:46:05 hey now, jason is a pretty cool guy. eh makes some useful utilities and doesn't afraid of anything Oct 05 02:46:33 later Oct 05 02:46:38 i dont think anyone said he wasn't cool Oct 05 02:46:45 no need to defend someone who wasn't being attacked Oct 05 02:47:47 oil: quick install is loved so much on the precentral front page because jason writes the articles himself :P Oct 05 02:47:59 oh crus Oct 05 02:48:06 he said that and LEFT!!! that's not nice Oct 05 02:48:16 lol yeah i was wondering what he found Oct 05 02:48:29 Decimation: you say that like i dont know? Oct 05 02:48:48 unlike most people i do actually read things Oct 05 02:53:59 http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/10/prehowto.jpg Oct 05 02:54:04 nice picture :-) Oct 05 02:54:26 heh Oct 05 02:55:24 from: http://gizmodo.com/5373972/how-to-install-homebrew-on-palm-pre-121 Oct 05 02:55:54 lol Oct 05 02:56:49 I'm waiting for the first blogger who thinks Jason wrote Preware ;-) Oct 05 02:57:25 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 05 02:59:57 2009