**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 07 02:59:57 2009
Oct 07 03:00:19 <chrisa> I don't even have 3g :(
Oct 07 03:00:33 * freakout will be buying a QWERTZ german Pre, because he cannot wait any longer
Oct 07 03:01:06 <freakout> 3G UMTS/HSDPA in Oz is actually pretty good, it's just a shame our data plans suck ass
Oct 07 03:01:42 <chrisa> I can never remember which umts radios are compatible with US data networks for ATT
Oct 07 03:02:23 <freakout> GSM Pre is a world phone, so far as I can tell...
Oct 07 03:02:40 <StormD> What I need is a Today app, that can be configured to poll from Calendar, Email, Weather, Twitter, FB, and just present info as desired.
Oct 07 03:02:59 <chrisa> Someone was working on that I think
Oct 07 03:03:10 <chrisa> a home page app
Oct 07 03:03:22 <DarthPooh> does anyone have the stickers theme installed?
Oct 07 03:04:01 <DarthPooh> chrisa, they were but it couldnt poll from email, calendar
Oct 07 03:04:24 <DarthPooh> chrisa, if it didn't create the event or have rights to it, it couldnt get that info, security limitation by palm
Oct 07 03:04:35 <StormD> 1-2 emails, 2-3 calendar entries, and a weather widget would be great. I don't know if polling twitter/fb would be practical, now that I think about it.
Oct 07 03:04:53 <StormD> too noisy, and would always be using the radio...probably drain battery
Oct 07 03:05:40 <StormD> See, that's retarded, in old Palm, apps could access your PIM info.
Oct 07 03:06:08 <StormD> How is iambic going to write Agendus if they can't get at the Calendar?
Oct 07 03:06:14 <freakout> StormD: they still can in webOS, the PIM databases are open
Oct 07 03:06:33 <DarthPooh> iambic will probably be given a different set of API's if they are "inside" devs
Oct 07 03:06:35 <freakout> It's how Flixster/Fandango adds movies to your calendar etc
Oct 07 03:06:46 <DarthPooh> like how motionapps was/is
Oct 07 03:07:09 <StormD> They still haven't even announced if they're working on a WebOS version yet, although they said they're "probably" going to do it.
Oct 07 03:07:20 <DarthPooh> from what I understand, the PIM databases aren't open to be read... but open to be written to.
Oct 07 03:07:27 <StormD> that was like THE killer app for PalmOS, IMO
Oct 07 03:08:11 <freakout> DarthPooh: write but no read? bizarre. That's some ass-backwards security ;)
Oct 07 03:08:16 <DarthPooh> astraware sudoku forever will be my killer app
Oct 07 03:08:20 <freakout> I thought that was one of Palm's big selling point for devs
Oct 07 03:09:03 <StormD> yeah, "anyone can add to the PIM" but for privacy reasons, they don't necessarily want apps reading everything in your PIM, and then posting it on the Web or some shit, I guess
Oct 07 03:09:04 <DarthPooh> so fandango can write to the calendar, but no other app can read what fandango has written (other than the app)... so I cant make an app to poll your calendar and display that.
Oct 07 03:09:23 <freakout> How is Active Home Screen doing it?
Oct 07 03:09:28 <DarthPooh> it isn't
Oct 07 03:09:29 <StormD> AHS isn't
Oct 07 03:09:37 <DarthPooh> he can't make that happen
Oct 07 03:09:40 * freakout clearly needs to read closer ;)
Oct 07 03:09:43 <DarthPooh> due to that limitation
Oct 07 03:10:02 <StormD> AHS is displaying the weather
Oct 07 03:10:03 <DarthPooh> which is why iambic is probably getting low level api
Oct 07 03:10:18 <StormD> nobody knows WHAT iambic is getting.
Oct 07 03:10:26 <StormD> They're playing their cards close to their chest
Oct 07 03:10:27 <DarthPooh> he is grabbing weather on his own from some other server
Oct 07 03:10:39 <DarthPooh> stormD, good point
Oct 07 03:11:13 <DarthPooh> well, time to get to bed, I have a long day of putting down the youth of america
Oct 07 03:11:25 <flare576> childhood euthanist?
Oct 07 03:11:32 <flare576> you disgust me, DarthPooh
Oct 07 03:11:33 <freakout> DarthPooh: long-haired layabouts. g'night
Oct 07 03:11:34 <DarthPooh> close enough
Oct 07 03:11:36 <DarthPooh> high school teacher
Oct 07 03:11:40 <freakout> flare576: LOL
Oct 07 03:11:42 <flare576> even worse ;)
Oct 07 03:11:49 <DarthPooh> indeed
Oct 07 03:11:51 <DarthPooh> much
Oct 07 03:11:51 <flare576> godspeed, sir.
Oct 07 03:11:52 <StormD> all iambic has said on the subject is this: @BigIke06 chances are we'll support web os. No timeframes at the moment.
Oct 07 03:20:48 <tmzt> chrisa: yeah, I think you're thinking .de
Oct 07 03:30:16 <kesne> DarthPooh: you still here?
Oct 07 03:30:31 <flare576> he said he went night night
Oct 07 03:36:49 <kesne> alright
Oct 07 03:37:17 <flare576> dBsooner: My updates have been made: feel free to hack them apart and piece things together the way they should be at your leisure :) http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches#Information_for_developing_patches
Oct 07 03:37:35 <dBsooner> flare576: add it to my full plate
Oct 07 03:37:36 <dBsooner> ;)
Oct 07 03:37:45 <flare576> everyone's gotta eat ;)
Oct 07 03:37:59 <flare576> I maintained all of the old info, so no hurry;
Oct 07 03:44:23 <punzada> did I imagine this, or is there paramteres you can pass to lunasysmanger (or another of the luna binaries) to spawn a new card loaded to a specific web page?
Oct 07 03:46:02 <wh0dat> luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.downloadmanager/download {\"target\":\"http://www.google.com/index.html\"}
Oct 07 03:47:32 <punzada> ty
Oct 07 03:50:31 <PuffTheMagic_> dBsooner: ?
Oct 07 03:50:56 <dBsooner> jes?
Oct 07 03:51:02 <dBsooner> can't reboot
Oct 07 03:51:15 <dBsooner> egaudet and I are workin hard tog et these patches sorted by 11pm central
Oct 07 03:51:32 <flare576> go go go lol
Oct 07 03:54:10 <phiqtion> guys, im still on my 30 day trial on the pre, should i switch to the hero coming out the 11th?
Oct 07 03:54:52 <tmzt> what are your goals?
Oct 07 03:55:15 <psykoz> Shouldn't you go into #android to ask that question? :)
Oct 07 03:55:31 <flare576> phiqtion: honestly, if you're in this chat, you're interested in a little hackery
Oct 07 03:55:57 <flare576> from what I've seen from my friend's G1, you want to be on the Pre to get really cool customizations, homebrew apps, multitasking
Oct 07 03:56:19 <phiqtion> true, but in terms of build quality and overall durability. which one is best? i'm still loving the pre but the hero seems nice too.
Oct 07 03:56:39 <flare576> I was SUPER excited for android when they were trickling information, but when I saw it... meh.  Pre and WebOS had me hooked from leak to launch and beyond
Oct 07 03:56:52 <psykoz> I don't think it has anything to build quality, durability etc
Oct 07 03:57:00 <psykoz> do you want a phone with a real keyboard, or not?
Oct 07 03:57:14 <psykoz> You can likely achieve the same exact results with either phone, either way
Oct 07 03:57:18 <flare576> Durability?  The hardware on the Pre has been reliable, but anytime you have moving parts it's more susceptible to problems.
Oct 07 03:57:44 <samk1> If build quality is your top criterion in a smartphone, then the Pre is not for you.  :p
Oct 07 03:57:45 <jo2> is there a difference in using Mojo.Event.listen and this.controller.listen ?
Oct 07 03:58:07 <flare576> if that's really an issue for you, you may want to switch, but honestly if you're not in a position where crushing your phone with a jackhammer is a likelyhood, you should be safe.
Oct 07 03:59:01 <phiqtion> i see
Oct 07 03:59:10 <flare576> you're holding one in your hand right now, you knwo how the Pre feels.
Oct 07 03:59:39 <phiqtion> i know i love it
Oct 07 03:59:51 <flare576> then build quality shouldn't be an issue in your case :)
Oct 07 04:00:10 <flare576> but psykoz had a point: if you want a physical keyboard, the choice is pretty clear.
Oct 07 04:00:38 <psykoz> I dunno why HTC keeps insisting on people wanting a phoen with a Bruce Campbell chin
Oct 07 04:00:44 <PuffTheMagic_> dBsooner: "That was the plan.. *COUGH* PuffTheMagic_! *cough*" ???????????
Oct 07 04:01:13 <punzada> oh fantastic, with that luna-send snownews works perfect
Oct 07 04:01:15 <flare576> PuffTheMagic_: I believe that was in regard to timeout
Oct 07 04:01:16 * punzada evil laughs
Oct 07 04:01:18 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic_: lol.. To make the feed lookup timeout
Oct 07 04:01:28 <dBsooner> to prevent Preware from getting stuck on "Updating"
Oct 07 04:02:03 <PuffTheMagic_> yeah in the C version i use a custom libipkg and i replaced system calls to wget with direct calls to libcurl, and i specify a timeout :D
Oct 07 04:02:24 <jo2> anyone regarding Mojo.event.listen and this.controller.listen?
Oct 07 04:02:42 <PuffTheMagic_> dBsooner: we can do kernel stuff now?
Oct 07 04:02:50 <PuffTheMagic_> now that the exciting web cast is over
Oct 07 04:03:00 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic_not yet
Oct 07 04:03:16 <dBsooner> egaudet and I are finishing up this repo reorganizing
Oct 07 04:03:36 <egaudet> dBsooner, we can continue tomorrow
Oct 07 04:03:39 <egaudet> we aren't finishing tonight
Oct 07 04:03:47 <dBsooner> i am almost done
Oct 07 04:03:48 <dBsooner> :(
Oct 07 04:03:51 <egaudet> at least not on the build.git side
Oct 07 04:03:55 <dBsooner> k
Oct 07 04:04:03 <dBsooner> i want to finish the gitorious side
Oct 07 04:04:05 <egaudet> k
Oct 07 04:04:12 <egaudet> lets finish that
Oct 07 04:04:24 <dBsooner> yeah, probably 15 mins left
Oct 07 04:04:39 <flare576> real quick: should I hold off on updating my patch with a tiny fix until you 2 are done?
Oct 07 04:05:13 <dBsooner> flare576: please?
Oct 07 04:05:19 <flare576> no problem!
Oct 07 04:05:28 <dBsooner> flare576: because your patch is being renamed anyway
Oct 07 04:05:39 <flare576> cool :)  I'll watch and wait
Oct 07 04:05:40 <dBsooner> you'll see
Oct 07 04:05:45 <flare576> I'm eager :)
Oct 07 04:05:51 <dBsooner> you can push it after I push
Oct 07 04:06:04 <flare576> I've got all night
Oct 07 04:06:42 <egaudet> rwhitby, ping
Oct 07 04:07:40 <chrisa> Hm
Oct 07 04:07:49 * rwhitby returns from a long meeting
Oct 07 04:07:50 <chrisa> quickinstall handles tweak patches nicely
Oct 07 04:08:06 <dBsooner> egaudet: can you change "Device Info app" to "Device menu." in the radiopower patch?
Oct 07 04:08:07 <rwhitby> chrisa: can you put me in touch with the right person to get Preware in the app catalog ;-)
Oct 07 04:08:11 <chrisa> But maybe that's because I'm running a mainline build
Oct 07 04:08:34 <chrisa> rwhitby: As long as you depend on services in the background I'm not sure
Oct 07 04:09:27 <rwhitby> chrisa: yeah, we'll need a deal like Motion Apps has ...
Oct 07 04:09:38 <rwhitby> if you're big enough, you can get half your app included in the base firmware.
Oct 07 04:10:34 <phiqtion> one of my biggest concerns with the pre is battery life, how does the hero match up?
Oct 07 04:11:01 <chrisa> Did the new firmware make the hero actually work properly?
Oct 07 04:11:18 <StormD> Is there a way to get my existing glut of homebrew apps to all move into the media partition without uninstallling them?
Oct 07 04:11:23 <flare576> I have no idea phiqtion :(  If I had to guess, the Hero would be better, but I donno by how much: Multi-tasking is thirsty work.
Oct 07 04:11:39 <chrisa> StormD: I'd try copying them to a directory in media then symlink back
Oct 07 04:11:57 <flare576> StormD: yup: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Solution_to_App_Catalog_Installation_Limit
Oct 07 04:12:01 <StormD> Like, can Preware just move everything there, and put everything there by default so that App Catalog will have some god damn room to be its retarded self?
Oct 07 04:12:02 <chrisa> Maybe not even one symlink, symlink each app possibly? Easy to do in sh or such
Oct 07 04:12:03 <flare576> that's my fav solution.
Oct 07 04:12:38 <flare576> if you follow those instructions, you just do "mvapp link <app name>" and it takes care of everything for you
Oct 07 04:12:54 <flare576> works for everything I've tried from simple homebrew games to Twee to WordAce.
Oct 07 04:13:09 <rwhitby> trouble is that it breaks when you mount /media/install via usb
Oct 07 04:13:49 <flare576> rwhitby: define breaks?
Oct 07 04:14:07 <StormD> okay, I'm a bad enough dude to run this script, but how should I put it on my pre, and what directory do you recommend I put it in?
Oct 07 04:14:10 <chrisa> hm, virtual keyboard installed but double tapping doesn't do anything
Oct 07 04:14:13 <StormD> and should I just run it in the terminal app?
Oct 07 04:14:24 <flare576> StormD: it's got instructions :)
Oct 07 04:14:34 <flare576> chrisa: did you restart luna?
Oct 07 04:14:39 <rwhitby> chrisa: web browser open, slow double tap, wait for 5 seconds.
Oct 07 04:14:48 <rwhitby> don't keep tapping
Oct 07 04:15:05 <chrisa> I wasn't giving it enough time I guess
Oct 07 04:15:29 <rwhitby> chrisa: that one got me too - if you keep tapping it doesn't work
Oct 07 04:15:33 <oc80z> whats good
Oct 07 04:15:42 <chrisa> Too bad you can't use it for global search / context app launching
Oct 07 04:15:54 <flare576> chrisa: yet! ;)
Oct 07 04:16:09 <StormD> flare576: the instructions seem to begin with the assumption that I am sitting at a PC-terminal logged into my Pre.
Oct 07 04:16:12 <StormD> I am not.
Oct 07 04:16:31 <flare576> StormD: yeah, then it'll be tough
Oct 07 04:17:04 <flare576> StormD: once you install it you can go via the terminal on teh pre if you have it installed, but you do need to have a PC connection to the Pre if you don't want to type all that
Oct 07 04:17:10 <flare576> hrm.....
Oct 07 04:17:13 <flare576> I take that back, hold on
Oct 07 04:17:48 <StormD> I have the SDK installed, is it easy to term in?
Oct 07 04:17:57 <flare576> nah, just gimme 1 sec
Oct 07 04:18:06 <rwhitby> StormD: type "novaterm"
Oct 07 04:18:07 <StormD> I haven't actually used the SDK yet.
Oct 07 04:18:22 <StormD> novaterm not found.
Oct 07 04:18:42 <rwhitby> oh, are you on windows?
Oct 07 04:18:46 <StormD> yar
Oct 07 04:19:13 <flare576> can you open the terminal on your pre?
Oct 07 04:19:21 <StormD> yes
Oct 07 04:19:26 <flare576> cd /usr/bin
Oct 07 04:19:35 <flare576> wget http://www.flare576.com/temp/mvapp
Oct 07 04:20:01 <flare576> chmod 777 /usr/bin/mvapp
Oct 07 04:20:07 <flare576> and you're gold.
Oct 07 04:21:02 <flare576> That comes with a caveat: don't trust shit if you don't read the script before you run it: I promise that's legit, but you don't know me :) lol
Oct 07 04:21:04 <StormD> wget: can't open 'mvapp': Read-only file system
Oct 07 04:21:11 <flare576> oh lol
Oct 07 04:21:16 <flare576> mount -o remount,rw /
Oct 07 04:21:35 <flare576> and after you do the stuff I gave you above, do:
Oct 07 04:21:42 <flare576> mount -o remount,ro /
Oct 07 04:22:34 <flare576> I take absolutely no credit for that script; I don't know sh well enough to even understand it all :)
Oct 07 04:23:20 <StormD> permit me to rant for a second, but could palm have put / in a more annoying place on the keypad?
Oct 07 04:23:36 <StormD> I mean seriously, wtf? Did they think about that for even a second?
Oct 07 04:23:38 <flare576> yup, in the symbol table.
Oct 07 04:24:12 <flare576> but yea, stuff like URL's warrent a better spot for /
Oct 07 04:24:26 <flare576> like, where % is
Oct 07 04:24:33 <StormD> like where ; is
Oct 07 04:24:48 <flare576> I like how close : and ; are
Oct 07 04:24:50 <StormD> because when the fuck do you need to type a damn ;?
Oct 07 04:25:03 <flare576> ... I've been known to code on the Pre lol
Oct 07 04:25:28 <flare576> or should I say... ;)
Oct 07 04:25:48 <StormD> okay winky emots aside.
Oct 07 04:26:02 <StormD> it's retarded.
Oct 07 04:26:03 <flare576> oh, it's ALL about the winkys
Oct 07 04:26:32 <flare576> so, does that script work?  I saved it in windows as UNIX format, so I hope it didn't have any scrwed up ^M or anything
Oct 07 04:26:38 <StormD> okay, the semi can stay, but surely the % can go way over in two left thumbs land
Oct 07 04:27:15 <StormD> they WANT people to use the web on this thing right?
Oct 07 04:27:25 <flare576> WebOS is not web friendly, sorry.
Oct 07 04:27:30 <StormD> clearly.
Oct 07 04:27:35 <rwhitby> flare576: /media/internal is unmounted when you select one of the three modes when you plug in usb
Oct 07 04:27:40 <StormD> webos is, but the pre keypad is NOT
Oct 07 04:28:18 <StormD> it's just not a very thoughtful layout.
Oct 07 04:28:20 <rwhitby> flare576: if you something depending on the end of the symlink still being there, then you're screwed.  but it should be fine for plain simple webos apps that are cached by the web server.
Oct 07 04:28:21 <flare576> rwhitby: hrm... is it quickly remounted or something?  I can still launch the apps I symlinked
Oct 07 04:29:01 <flare576> while it's plugged in, that is.
Oct 07 04:29:31 <rwhitby> have you tried it in usb mode and media sync mode?
Oct 07 04:30:03 <flare576> tried doing something WHILE it's in the mode, or after?
Oct 07 04:30:11 <rwhitby> as I said for apps it should fine.  for stuff that might want to run in the background it could problematic.
Oct 07 04:30:26 <rwhitby> add some "be"'s to that sentence
Oct 07 04:31:14 <flare576> woah, what happened to those "be"'s 0_0   but yup, I just tried linking PreWare and it freaked out while USB'd
Oct 07 04:31:25 <flare576> thanks for the heads up
Oct 07 04:32:12 <flare576> it also cannot maintain file permissions
Oct 07 04:32:37 <flare576> I blaim NTFS/FAT
Oct 07 04:33:15 <StormD> I wonder why they couldn't use NTFS instead of FAT for the media partition
Oct 07 04:33:42 <egaudet> NTFS
Oct 07 04:33:48 <egaudet> ugh
Oct 07 04:34:00 <flare576> I honestly don't know the ins and outs of the partition types, but FAT is easier/faster/cleaner I believe.
Oct 07 04:34:07 <StormD> better than FAT
Oct 07 04:34:54 <dBsooner> NTFS = not readable by some os's
Oct 07 04:34:57 <StormD> FAT has no file security, crazy size limits, and other problems.
Oct 07 04:35:04 <dBsooner> plus Linux doesn't ahve native NTFS support
Oct 07 04:35:08 <JackieRipper> Though writing to ntfs is somewhat supported by linux, I wouldn't trust it in a prod situation
Oct 07 04:35:29 <JackieRipper> StormD: ext3 would be much better
Oct 07 04:35:34 <flare576> so... add "Older" to my list :)
Oct 07 04:36:27 <StormD> Jackie: ext3 isn't useable for USB mass storage device.
Oct 07 04:36:41 <JackieRipper> it isn't?
Oct 07 04:36:45 <flare576> ... Your mom isn't useable as a USB mass storage device!
Oct 07 04:36:55 <flare576> prove me wrong!
Oct 07 04:37:05 <JackieRipper> StormD: I have 4 or 5 USB keys laying around that say differently
Oct 07 04:37:48 <JackieRipper> I think you mean, "Windoze doen't read and write to ext3."
Oct 07 04:37:53 <egaudet> my usb key went through the wash machine
Oct 07 04:38:28 <flare576> JackieRipper: while that's an important distinction, it also ends the same way: Palm wound never do it in either case lol
Oct 07 04:38:57 <rwhitby> webos-internals.org and preware.org combined are now doing 5Mb/sec continous serving of data during peak US hours
Oct 07 04:39:10 <StormD> okay, ext3 isn't useable for a commercially viable usb mass storage device meant for public consumption :P
Oct 07 04:39:12 <JackieRipper> flare576: sure, but ntfs is even more absurd, seeing as how the phone needs to read and write to it more than Windoze does.
Oct 07 04:39:42 <flare576> rwhitby: grats!
Oct 07 04:40:27 <flare576> JackieRipper: yup, you're right.  FAT is a very good choice for cross-platform compatability.
Oct 07 04:41:16 * JackieRipper wonders what would happen if he formatted /media/internal to ext3
Oct 07 04:41:46 <flare576> I was just thinking a similar thought before you informed me my poor stupid Windowz box wouldn't see it anymore ;)
Oct 07 04:43:15 <JackieRipper> I never use the mass storage aspect anyway.  I copy files in using scp or rsync.
Oct 07 04:43:26 <dBsooner> rwhitby: bout time to start thinkin about a mirror. ;)
Oct 07 04:43:55 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I just pushed the reorganized gitorious/modifications structure
Oct 07 04:43:56 <dBsooner> take a peak
Oct 07 04:45:18 <dBsooner> new tag is v0.5.0
Oct 07 04:45:58 <StormD> how hard would it be to write a simple gui wrapper around this mvapp script, that lists all your apps by size, lets you checkbox which to move, and tap go, and distribute that on Preware?
Oct 07 04:46:34 <dBsooner> StormD: it would require a service
Oct 07 04:46:45 <dBsooner> StormD: unless you used the terminal-service
Oct 07 04:47:12 <StormD> oh.
Oct 07 04:47:31 <dBsooner> because your UI won't be able to do command line root stuff
Oct 07 04:47:36 <dBsooner> without a service helper
Oct 07 04:47:42 <egaudet> rwhitby, all the patch names should now be <category>-<title> thanks to dBsooner.  I will make the build reflect that so if anyone sees any issues with the names let me and/or dBsooner know
Oct 07 04:48:12 <rwhitby> egaudet: works for me :-)
Oct 07 04:48:26 <flare576> egaudet: I like it!  dBsooner Awesome work!
Oct 07 04:48:29 <JackieRipper> who is the maintainer of the SMS tone per contact patch?
Oct 07 04:48:34 <JackieRipper> I think it's broken
Oct 07 04:48:36 <dBsooner> <category>-<title>, all lower case, no usernames, etc.
Oct 07 04:48:50 <dBsooner> Jackie, That would be Ikyo
Oct 07 04:49:01 <egaudet> Ikyo is on a long hiatus
Oct 07 04:49:04 <egaudet> what's broken in it
Oct 07 04:49:13 <flare576> dBsooner: I hate to say this.... but is there any way to indicate WebOS compatability version?
Oct 07 04:49:24 <dBsooner> sure
Oct 07 04:49:32 <dBsooner> >0.4.0 = 1.2.1 compat
Oct 07 04:49:38 <dBsooner> easy enough?
Oct 07 04:49:38 <dBsooner> ;)
Oct 07 04:49:48 <dBsooner> If its in the repo, its compat
Oct 07 04:49:49 <flare576> bad-ass to me!
Oct 07 04:49:55 <JackieRipper> possibly something broken from 1.1 to 1.2(.1)?  It doesn't play an alert at all if one isn't assigned to the contact
Oct 07 04:50:06 <dBsooner> JackieRipper: yes it does
Oct 07 04:50:16 <dBsooner> JackieRipper: but you are half-right
Oct 07 04:50:38 <dBsooner> JackieRipper: Inoticed that today.. it won't fail all the way over to ALERT notification.
Oct 07 04:50:45 <dBsooner> Err.. Notification Alert.
Oct 07 04:51:05 <JackieRipper> So a message tone needs to me defined?
Oct 07 04:51:07 <dBsooner> It first checks for "Contact Messaging Tone", then "messaging tone", then fails to Notification alert.
Oct 07 04:51:21 <dBsooner> if you go into Sounds & Alerts
Oct 07 04:51:30 <dBsooner> and set "Messaging tone" it will play that as default
Oct 07 04:51:37 <dBsooner> but yes, there is a bug with it not failing all the way down
Oct 07 04:51:45 <dBsooner> I saw that today myself.
Oct 07 04:52:01 <JackieRipper> that's a bug
Oct 07 04:52:22 <dBsooner> it's a bug in the patch, yes.
Oct 07 04:52:39 <egaudet> Ikyo will most likely not be around to fix for a while, he posted that he has been very busy
Oct 07 04:52:44 * dBsooner goes to the pc.net patches forum to create a thread
Oct 07 04:52:47 <egaudet> so who wants it!?
Oct 07 04:52:58 * dBsooner runs and hides.
Oct 07 04:52:59 <JackieRipper> I'll take a look
Oct 07 04:53:02 <egaudet> thread on what?
Oct 07 04:53:05 * dBsooner points at rwhitby.
Oct 07 04:53:20 <dBsooner> thread on public.. DUH
Oct 07 04:53:22 <JackieRipper> I was pretty involved in the message tone patching
Oct 07 04:53:38 <dBsooner> no .. thread on known bug in SMS Tone per Contact
Oct 07 04:53:48 <dBsooner> Go at it Jackie
Oct 07 04:53:54 <JackieRipper> heh
Oct 07 04:53:56 <dBsooner> why is my tab getting stuck?
Oct 07 04:54:01 <egaudet> public tomorrow
Oct 07 04:54:02 <JackieRipper> where are these patches located now?
Oct 07 04:54:07 <dBsooner> JackieRipper: JackieRipper: JackieRipper there
Oct 07 04:54:19 <egaudet> Still on gitorious JackieRipper
Oct 07 04:54:22 <dBsooner> JackieRipper: gitorious
Oct 07 04:54:28 <JackieRipper> modifications?
Oct 07 04:54:31 <dBsooner> yes
Oct 07 04:54:32 <egaudet> yep
Oct 07 04:55:12 <hmagoo> pretty colors
Oct 07 04:56:38 <JackieRipper> I'll have to look tomorrow... I'm off to bed
Oct 07 04:56:43 <JackieRipper> have a good night
Oct 07 04:57:07 <flare576> night!
Oct 07 04:57:26 <egaudet> yea I'm going to bed too, happy hacking!
Oct 07 04:58:04 <dBsooner> egaudet
Oct 07 04:58:15 <egaudet> tis me
Oct 07 04:58:28 <dBsooner> i forgot to delete a dupe .. is there a waqy to append the last push?
Oct 07 04:58:36 <dBsooner> so the delete will reflect in 0.5.0?
Oct 07 04:59:25 <rwhitby> dBsooner: retag with -f
Oct 07 04:59:36 <dBsooner> oh.. overwriting
Oct 07 04:59:38 <dBsooner> awesome
Oct 07 04:59:40 <dBsooner> thanks rwhitby!
Oct 07 04:59:53 * dBsooner learns more and more about git everyday.
Oct 07 04:59:53 <rwhitby> but never do that if something else is already using the tag
Oct 07 05:01:02 <hmagoo> dbsooner, so what fails to play with that patch?
Oct 07 05:02:00 <egaudet> http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/207713-how-does-jason-do-what-palm-cant-wont.html
Oct 07 05:02:01 <dBsooner> The way the sms-tone-per-contact works is it looks for messaging tone in contact first, if none, it goes to messaging tone in global settings, if none, it SHOULD play Notification Tone
Oct 07 05:02:19 <dBsooner> egaudet: WHY DOES JASON GET ALL THE CREDIT? :)
Oct 07 05:02:22 <dBsooner> wait did I caps that?
Oct 07 05:02:23 <dBsooner> lol
Oct 07 05:02:54 <dBsooner> hmagoo: however, it's not failing over to play that notification tone
Oct 07 05:03:12 <dBsooner> so if you don't have the contact messaging tone or global messaging tone set, it does nothing.
Oct 07 05:03:57 <flare576> dBsooner: because the guys behind the scenes get all the pride ;)  Am I cool to rename my patch locally to what you have in the repository and push?
Oct 07 05:04:58 <dBsooner> no
Oct 07 05:05:06 <dBsooner> flare576: you'll want to pull
Oct 07 05:05:11 <flare576> done :)
Oct 07 05:05:20 <flare576> had to get that new, awesome layout
Oct 07 05:05:30 <flare576> and it's totally sweet.
Oct 07 05:05:33 <dBsooner> then you'll want to git mv your file
Oct 07 05:05:42 <dBsooner> overwriting the one thats there
Oct 07 05:05:44 <dBsooner> you are v2
Oct 07 05:05:48 <flare576> yup :)
Oct 07 05:05:50 <dBsooner> but don't push
Oct 07 05:05:53 <dBsooner> I have to retag this first
Oct 07 05:05:53 <flare576> I haven't yet
Oct 07 05:06:02 <dBsooner> let me make sure I am doing ti right..
Oct 07 05:06:03 <flare576> I did a local commit , but nothing server-side yet
Oct 07 05:06:03 <dBsooner> rwhitby
Oct 07 05:06:07 <flare576> take your time :)
Oct 07 05:06:25 <dBsooner> I pushed the new structure, tagged v0.5.0, then pushed tag..
Oct 07 05:07:08 <dBsooner> Now I deleted that file.. Do I push again, then tag -f v0.5.0, then push --tags again?
Oct 07 05:07:10 <PuffTheMagic_> what turds, no kernel work for dBsooner and no C work for egaudet
Oct 07 05:08:12 <egaudet> :( well we were busy making Jason money, I mean locking down the patch structure
Oct 07 05:08:21 <hmagoo> well, yeah there is a field there that says Message Tone, so it should be set, meh
Oct 07 05:08:35 <dBsooner> right
Oct 07 05:08:45 <dBsooner> but its not set by default hmagoo.. it unset on purpose.
Oct 07 05:08:58 <dBsooner> so it SHOULD default to keep playing notification tone
Oct 07 05:09:12 <dBsooner> that's the way it was originaly designed at least
Oct 07 05:09:54 <hmagoo> you sure that is the right original patch in there right?  I never was.. lol
Oct 07 05:10:12 <hmagoo> or is it the other "notifications" one..
Oct 07 05:10:18 <dBsooner> heck I don't know
Oct 07 05:10:28 <dBsooner> I'll look at it after we get this thing public
Oct 07 05:10:38 <hmagoo> "sounds and alerts"  should be the one that ended in that
Oct 07 05:10:52 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic_: can you answer my git question above your comment a sec ago?
Oct 07 05:11:03 <egaudet> dBsooner, i think that's right
Oct 07 05:11:05 <egaudet> try it
Oct 07 05:11:26 <PuffTheMagic_> wtf is this
Oct 07 05:11:30 <dBsooner> just afraid when he said, "But don't do it if something else is using that tag"
Oct 07 05:11:36 <PuffTheMagic_> precentral forum is moderated
Oct 07 05:11:40 <PuffTheMagic_> bullshit
Oct 07 05:11:55 <dBsooner> ?
Oct 07 05:12:22 <PuffTheMagic_> i tried replying to tha tlink egaudet just posted
Oct 07 05:12:31 <dBsooner> -23:59:48- (+rwhitby) but never do that if something else is already using the tag
Oct 07 05:12:34 <dBsooner> that's the one
Oct 07 05:12:42 <egaudet> dBsooner, no one is using it
Oct 07 05:12:56 <PuffTheMagic_> me and rwhitby started writing at the same time
Oct 07 05:12:57 <dBsooner> oh, because no one has pushed a new one
Oct 07 05:12:59 <PuffTheMagic_> but his didnt get moderated
Oct 07 05:13:13 <dBsooner> link me.
Oct 07 05:13:19 <egaudet> how did yours get moderated?
Oct 07 05:13:26 <PuffTheMagic_> nfc
Oct 07 05:13:32 <PuffTheMagic_> i wrote "I think its funny you think Jason "created" all these tweaks. Most of these tweaks were submitted by random people to the webos-internals.org wiki and long before they were available in any user friendly installer."
Oct 07 05:13:43 <dBsooner> LINK ME
Oct 07 05:13:45 <dBsooner> :D
Oct 07 05:14:01 <PuffTheMagic_> well it dont look like my post will show up
Oct 07 05:14:18 <egaudet> lol PuffTheMagic_ is that your first precentral post ever :P
Oct 07 05:14:24 <PuffTheMagic_> yeah
Oct 07 05:14:26 <PuffTheMagic_> well
Oct 07 05:14:27 <PuffTheMagic_> no
Oct 07 05:14:49 <PuffTheMagic_> i posted about the shitty e-mail app not showing all 22087023472 of my e-mail messages
Oct 07 05:14:49 <egaudet> maybe it's like under post count moderated orsomething I dunno i never had my posts not show up right away
Oct 07 05:14:54 <PuffTheMagic_> but that was my first reply
Oct 07 05:15:01 <PuffTheMagic_> but i made 1 orig post
Oct 07 05:15:07 <PuffTheMagic_> so that is post #2
Oct 07 05:15:34 <PuffTheMagic_> lam
Oct 07 05:15:35 <PuffTheMagic_> e
Oct 07 05:16:20 <dBsooner> sigh
Oct 07 05:16:24 <dBsooner> no link
Oct 07 05:16:32 <dBsooner> anyway, v0.5.0 has been updated
Oct 07 05:16:50 <flare576> and there was much, much rejoicing!
Oct 07 05:16:51 <dBsooner> flare576: git pull
Oct 07 05:16:52 <PuffTheMagic_> about git
Oct 07 05:17:00 <PuffTheMagic_> u dont have to push before tagging
Oct 07 05:17:04 <PuffTheMagic_> but u do need to push your tag
Oct 07 05:17:17 <PuffTheMagic_> and dont get in the habbit of using git push --tags
Oct 07 05:17:25 <dBsooner> :(
Oct 07 05:17:26 <PuffTheMagic_> it can lead to unexpected things
Oct 07 05:17:29 <flare576> kk, got 1 change
Oct 07 05:17:35 <dBsooner> good.. that should have been a delete
Oct 07 05:17:44 <PuffTheMagic_> dBsooner: push specific tags only
Oct 07 05:17:47 <dBsooner> now make sure your file is still over mine
Oct 07 05:17:49 <flare576> it was indeed
Oct 07 05:17:50 <dBsooner> using git mv
Oct 07 05:17:55 <PuffTheMagic_> git push <tag>
Oct 07 05:18:00 <dBsooner> ahh.. ok
Oct 07 05:18:02 <PuffTheMagic_> git push origin <tag>
Oct 07 05:18:06 <PuffTheMagic_> to be more specific
Oct 07 05:18:21 <dBsooner> kind of like git clone master v0.4.1
Oct 07 05:18:51 <dBsooner> Wut wut??
Oct 07 05:20:03 <flare576> I apparenlty don't know the restrictions to git move... do I need to have something like /opt/src/modifications/app-launcher/app-launcher-5x4-icons-v2.patch_new and then do it on that file?
Oct 07 05:20:27 <dBsooner> oh
Oct 07 05:20:32 <egaudet> git mv
Oct 07 05:20:32 <dBsooner> just make your changes in the .patch file
Oct 07 05:20:40 <dBsooner> if its an easy cahnge
Oct 07 05:20:42 <flare576> very
Oct 07 05:20:45 <dBsooner> just make your changes in the .patch
Oct 07 05:20:48 <flare576> ok :)
Oct 07 05:20:49 <dBsooner> then git push
Oct 07 05:21:08 <dBsooner> git add ; git commit -m ; git push
Oct 07 05:21:14 <egaudet> don't push from phone
Oct 07 05:21:23 <dBsooner> oh you're on a phone
Oct 07 05:21:27 <egaudet> err emu
Oct 07 05:21:32 <flare576> wait, why?
Oct 07 05:21:38 <flare576> I don't have emu
Oct 07 05:21:51 <PuffTheMagic_> eww
Oct 07 05:21:53 <PuffTheMagic_> dont use git move
Oct 07 05:21:55 <egaudet> The maintainer
Oct 07 05:21:57 <PuffTheMagic_> just move the file
Oct 07 05:22:00 <PuffTheMagic_> then do git add .
Oct 07 05:22:06 <flare576> PuffTheMagic_: that's what I ended up doing
Oct 07 05:22:23 <egaudet> flare576, you push from your phone last time?
Oct 07 05:22:25 <flare576> it took me a long freakin' time to get my phone setup to do this lol
Oct 07 05:22:27 <flare576> egaudet: yup
Oct 07 05:22:31 <egaudet> yea you are fine
Oct 07 05:22:34 <dBsooner> lol
Oct 07 05:22:35 <flare576> ok, good lol
Oct 07 05:22:35 <egaudet> nvm me I'm tired
Oct 07 05:22:45 <dBsooner> egaudet: rwhitby walked him through it all
Oct 07 05:22:50 <dBsooner> set it all up
Oct 07 05:22:50 <dBsooner> he's good
Oct 07 05:23:04 <flare576> it was a headache, but if I was supposed to be on the emu, that explains why the instructions were so weird.
Oct 07 05:23:06 <egaudet> k, I just didn't want to see root@castle or root@qemu in the Author: :P
Oct 07 05:23:18 <dBsooner> make change, add, commit, push
Oct 07 05:23:26 <egaudet> We gotta give Maintainer names in metadata
Oct 07 05:23:50 <flare576> egaudet: I noticed my patch does have root@castle; is there a way to modify that before I shove it into the repo?
Oct 07 05:23:54 <egaudet> I supposed I could do sed/MAINTAINER/MAINTAINER=Jason/g
Oct 07 05:24:01 <egaudet> :P
Oct 07 05:24:02 <flare576> egaudet: that would save time.
Oct 07 05:24:04 <dBsooner> ha!
Oct 07 05:24:11 <dBsooner> he would get all the credit then?
Oct 07 05:24:19 <flare576> would somethign change?
Oct 07 05:24:25 <dBsooner> nope
Oct 07 05:24:25 <flare576> ;)
Oct 07 05:24:39 <egaudet> flare576, you should be fine
Oct 07 05:24:57 <flare576> incoming patch :)
Oct 07 05:25:10 <flare576> done.
Oct 07 05:25:39 <flare576> only changed 2 characters in the entire patch; just moved stuff to the left slightly
Oct 07 05:25:52 <flare576> hence why I said it was no biggie :)
Oct 07 05:26:02 <hmagoo> poor guy it isn't his fault
Oct 07 05:26:05 <dBsooner> 18 to 22
Oct 07 05:26:09 <flare576> yessir
Oct 07 05:26:12 <dBsooner> nice
Oct 07 05:26:21 <dBsooner> now it won't build till tomorrow
Oct 07 05:26:34 <flare576> LOL, did I do that?
Oct 07 05:26:42 <dBsooner> Yep, you broke it
Oct 07 05:26:49 <dBsooner> You are shamed!
Oct 07 05:26:51 <flare576> yay!  I'm sooooo good at that!
Oct 07 05:26:54 <dBsooner> Run away!
Oct 07 05:26:58 * flare576 scurries
Oct 07 05:27:03 <dBsooner> You just lost all your privelages.
Oct 07 05:27:06 <dBsooner> LOL
Oct 07 05:27:19 <egaudet> http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/207713-how-does-jason-do-what-palm-cant-wont.html#post1956544
Oct 07 05:27:23 <flare576> but... but.. I wanna sleep in the crisper!
Oct 07 05:27:31 <egaudet> g'night!
Oct 07 05:27:58 <dBsooner> No man.. it's tagged as 0.5.0, so it won't build tiill egaudet and I clean up the build.git script
Oct 07 05:28:03 <dBsooner> which is tomorrow's task
Oct 07 05:28:08 <dBsooner> but it shouldn't take nearly as long
Oct 07 05:28:17 <dBsooner> as we did the hard part of organizing and renaming tonight
Oct 07 05:28:22 <egaudet> Yea it's just gonna be 100 more git mv's
Oct 07 05:28:24 <dBsooner> so normal builds will still be runnin
Oct 07 05:28:53 <dBsooner> but your pushed changed won't take effect till we finish it all
Oct 07 05:28:54 <dBsooner> ;)
Oct 07 05:29:11 <egaudet> his launcher isn't even in build at all yet
Oct 07 05:29:21 <egaudet> so keep that in mind for tomorrow I have to add it
Oct 07 05:29:34 <dBsooner> lol
Oct 07 05:29:38 <dBsooner> no its there
Oct 07 05:29:42 <dBsooner> i made it last night
Oct 07 05:29:56 <flare576> egaudet: dBsooner , pardon the french, but you guys are fucking champions.
Oct 07 05:30:05 <dBsooner> we just renamed it in gitorious, so it needs renamed in build.git
Oct 07 05:30:09 <dBsooner> LOL
Oct 07 05:30:26 <egaudet> f'ing A
Oct 07 05:30:29 <dBsooner> More meisters.. We don't create all the patchces
Oct 07 05:30:44 <dBsooner> we just make them work in ipkg style
Oct 07 05:30:47 <flare576> yeah, but I didn't go through the entire repository and organize it, either
Oct 07 05:30:50 <dBsooner> and modify what we can
Oct 07 05:30:50 <dBsooner> ;)
Oct 07 05:30:56 <hmagoo> if I run a router OS on a pc that is perfectly capable of running a full distro does that mean I'm lazy?
Oct 07 05:30:59 <dBsooner> Or careate all teh screenshots
Oct 07 05:31:03 <Sargun> :-/
Oct 07 05:31:04 <egaudet> egaudet-ubuntu> git pull
Oct 07 05:31:04 <egaudet> Updating 6e67813..6bc8d58
Oct 07 05:31:04 <egaudet> error: Entry 'autopatch/add-date-to-top-bar-no-year/Makefile' not uptodate. Cannot merge.
Oct 07 05:31:08 <dBsooner> come to think of it.. damn I am workin hard.. egaudet GET TO WORK!
Oct 07 05:31:25 <dBsooner> ha
Oct 07 05:31:42 <dBsooner> you can't pull build.git
Oct 07 05:32:10 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic_, mr. git I need some help
Oct 07 05:32:21 <dBsooner> I am headed to bed myself.
Oct 07 05:32:30 <flare576> night dBsooner
Oct 07 05:32:35 <hmagoo> I had preware giving me some runaround trying to update the file manager service, but that was earlier and I was nodding off.. anyone else have installation problems?
Oct 07 05:33:04 <egaudet> file manager what
Oct 07 05:33:10 <flare576> I and someone who knows the emulator might need to spend more time on the Applying Patches page, particularly the SSH crap to submit them: I was working off Pre instructions, not EMu.
Oct 07 05:33:35 <flare576> hmagoo: yup!  I was the guy who posted that huge IPKG Log.  Just restart your phone
Oct 07 05:34:04 <egaudet> a closed source file manager service which opens mojo up to your file system :eek:
Oct 07 05:34:36 <flare576> egaudet: meh, I'm willing to allow it for a on-system file manager I don't have to dive to CLI to use :)
Oct 07 05:34:45 <rwhitby> dBsooner: BTW, don't be afraid of going to 0.5.1 or 0.5.2 or later - they are just numbers, there is nothing special about having a zero on the end.
Oct 07 05:34:49 <hmagoo> flare576: so I wasn't dreaming?
Oct 07 05:35:00 <dBsooner> rwhitby: sure there is
Oct 07 05:35:06 <PuffTheMagic_> rwhitby: your post is hilarious
Oct 07 05:35:11 <dBsooner> rwhitby:gotta be pretty for public release
Oct 07 05:35:12 <dBsooner> ;)
Oct 07 05:35:12 <flare576> hmagoo: no, there was an error going through Preware
Oct 07 05:35:24 <NotByJason> egaudet: yeah?
Oct 07 05:35:39 <hmagoo> ok flare576 thanks for your help
Oct 07 05:35:48 <hmagoo> in contrast to all these other bums
Oct 07 05:35:52 <hmagoo> j/k
Oct 07 05:35:56 <flare576> hmagoo: no problem, if the reboot doesn't work, come on back ;)
Oct 07 05:35:57 <egaudet> haha
Oct 07 05:36:00 <flare576> lol
Oct 07 05:36:09 <egaudet> NotByJason, did you see my git question?
Oct 07 05:36:20 <NotByJason> no i just see i need help
Oct 07 05:36:26 <dBsooner> ahahaha
Oct 07 05:36:27 <egaudet> egaudet-ubuntu> git pull
Oct 07 05:36:27 <egaudet> Updating 6e67813..6bc8d58
Oct 07 05:36:27 <egaudet> error: Entry 'autopatch/add-date-to-top-bar-no-year/Makefile' not uptodate. Cannot merge.
Oct 07 05:36:33 <dBsooner> NotByJason, NotByJason, NotByJason
Oct 07 05:36:35 <dBsooner> thats classic
Oct 07 05:36:37 <flare576> NotByJason: were you released by Jason?!
Oct 07 05:36:41 <hmagoo> you don't think egaudet panhandles on precentral?  why do you think he calls himself emoney, LOL
Oct 07 05:36:48 <dBsooner> NotByJason
Oct 07 05:37:08 <egaudet> haha hmagoo
Oct 07 05:37:09 <dBsooner> rofl
Oct 07 05:37:24 <NotByJason> egaudet: you cant figure that out
Oct 07 05:37:30 <NotByJason> it says exactly what is wrong
Oct 07 05:37:38 <egaudet> I know what's wrong
Oct 07 05:37:52 <PuffTheMagic> so where do I come in?
Oct 07 05:37:53 <egaudet> I want git to smarten the f up and merge for me
Oct 07 05:37:54 <DraX> yes
Oct 07 05:38:11 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: its too smart for you
Oct 07 05:38:13 <PuffTheMagic> thats the issue
Oct 07 05:38:31 <PuffTheMagic> commit your change to that makefile or reset it back to being clean
Oct 07 05:38:33 <PuffTheMagic> before you pull
Oct 07 05:38:38 <egaudet> give me some merge options, side by side diff, local remote diff something
Oct 07 05:38:41 <hmagoo> puffy was a conglomeration and not the work of just one man.
Oct 07 05:39:02 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: you CANT merge with uncommited changes.... PERIOD!
Oct 07 05:39:10 <PuffTheMagic> get out of svn world
Oct 07 05:39:12 <egaudet> that's pretty stupid PuffTheMagic ya gotta admit
Oct 07 05:39:17 <egaudet> i'm in bitkeeper's world
Oct 07 05:39:18 <PuffTheMagic> no
Oct 07 05:39:20 <PuffTheMagic> its not
Oct 07 05:39:22 <PuffTheMagic> its smart
Oct 07 05:39:32 <PuffTheMagic> merging into a dirty workdir is stupid
Oct 07 05:39:51 <egaudet> I like to be stupid sometimes
Oct 07 05:39:53 <flare576> and prone to disease.
Oct 07 05:40:00 <PuffTheMagic> why cant you just do "git reset --hard"
Oct 07 05:40:03 <PuffTheMagic> and then pull
Oct 07 05:40:11 <egaudet> I have about 100 changes
Oct 07 05:40:14 <flare576> yeah, just git hard
Oct 07 05:40:16 <egaudet> and I am not losing them
Oct 07 05:40:18 <PuffTheMagic> then commit them
Oct 07 05:40:21 <PuffTheMagic> and then merge
Oct 07 05:40:21 <egaudet> but I didn't want to cmmit
Oct 07 05:40:24 <egaudet> so I guess I have to
Oct 07 05:40:27 <PuffTheMagic> yeah u do
Oct 07 05:40:32 <PuffTheMagic> welcome to git
Oct 07 05:40:35 <PuffTheMagic> again
Oct 07 05:40:35 <flare576> he doesn't want to commit, he just wants to git hard and dirty.
Oct 07 05:40:35 <acydlord> i'm still waiting for my merge to get pushed through =/
Oct 07 05:40:58 <acydlord> egaudet, is afraid of commitment?
Oct 07 05:41:09 <egaudet> hehe
Oct 07 05:41:13 <egaudet> what merge acydlord ?
Oct 07 05:41:17 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet things git log history is supposed to be pretty
Oct 07 05:41:21 <PuffTheMagic> so he avoids commits
Oct 07 05:41:26 <PuffTheMagic> and dont use git for what its for
Oct 07 05:41:29 <egaudet> lol
Oct 07 05:41:40 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet still thinks git is a super quilt
Oct 07 05:41:44 <egaudet> git defalult commands are poop
Oct 07 05:41:49 <egaudet> git log is useless!
Oct 07 05:41:52 <acydlord> the merge that's been pending since the 2.1 update when i added my clean messenger patch
Oct 07 05:42:02 <flare576> yeah, I poop logs, not git 'em
Oct 07 05:42:07 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: what do you want git log to do?
Oct 07 05:42:43 <egaudet> give me a file list and tag names
Oct 07 05:42:52 <PuffTheMagic> well
Oct 07 05:42:53 <PuffTheMagic> git tag
Oct 07 05:42:58 <PuffTheMagic> gives you a tag list
Oct 07 05:43:02 <egaudet> Can I add commit messages on a file by file basis?
Oct 07 05:43:15 <egaudet> gievs me a tag list but I got no clue what tag is linked to what commit
Oct 07 05:43:34 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: if you made a commit as you were changing each file like you should have been
Oct 07 05:43:40 <PuffTheMagic> not if u mass edit 1000 files
Oct 07 05:43:55 <egaudet> in git you want to commit per file
Oct 07 05:43:55 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: git show <tag>
Oct 07 05:44:16 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: in git you want to make lots of small commits all the time
Oct 07 05:44:42 <egaudet> BitKeeper is awesome just to let ya know
Oct 07 05:44:48 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Oct 07 05:46:08 <egaudet> auto merge fail
Oct 07 05:46:09 <egaudet> how dare you!
Oct 07 05:46:21 <PuffTheMagic> thats what u get for doing massive commits
Oct 07 05:46:33 <PuffTheMagic> instead of massive amounts of commits
Oct 07 05:47:18 <egaudet> lol ok now I gotta go manually merge 10 files, instead of I don't know a simple interactive interface that allows me to select "USE LOCAL"
Oct 07 05:47:58 <PuffTheMagic> i do
Oct 07 05:48:05 <PuffTheMagic> but im not gonna share
Oct 07 05:48:09 <flare576> awww :(
Oct 07 05:48:12 <PuffTheMagic> cause u need some git basics in u
Oct 07 05:48:30 <egaudet> lol
Oct 07 05:48:31 <PuffTheMagic> and it dont work on a per file basis
Oct 07 05:48:33 <flare576> git add <basic>
Oct 07 05:49:10 <PuffTheMagic> you can do a git merge and keep all of your local files
Oct 07 05:49:16 <PuffTheMagic> but then what is the point of doing the merge
Oct 07 05:49:21 <PuffTheMagic> unless you just want a few new files
Oct 07 05:50:20 * geist worships git rebase
Oct 07 05:50:25 <flare576> well all, I'll be back tomorrow in case egaudet and DBsooner finish their stuff and want to relax with wiki edits ;)
Oct 07 05:50:44 <flare576> or to help n00bs so you don't have to ;)
Oct 07 05:51:10 <egaudet> I want a git gui now
Oct 07 05:51:12 <PuffTheMagic> geist rebase is nice
Oct 07 05:51:17 <PuffTheMagic> but def not what he needs
Oct 07 05:51:28 <PuffTheMagic> geist: he needs a little merge -s ours
Oct 07 05:51:32 <geist> yeah, i can't be bothered to read the whole scrollback :)
Oct 07 05:51:49 <PuffTheMagic> geist: you just have to go back 1
Oct 07 05:51:50 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 07 05:52:37 <PuffTheMagic> geist: new kernel patches before years end?
Oct 07 05:52:42 <geist> hrm?
Oct 07 05:52:48 <PuffTheMagic> still waiting for that new g_composite module
Oct 07 05:52:56 <geist> hrm?
Oct 07 05:52:58 <egaudet> bk citool
Oct 07 05:53:06 <rwhitby> egaudet: use git stash
Oct 07 05:53:10 <egaudet> ahhh nice gui, with colorful highlighted diffs
Oct 07 05:53:37 <rwhitby> (to save uncommited changes so you can merge first)
Oct 07 05:53:47 <geist> why does he want to merge?
Oct 07 05:54:01 <geist> if he just has a few local changes, he neesd to commit and do a git pull --rebase
Oct 07 05:54:06 <PuffTheMagic> geist: thought you said you were removing the module options to g_composite in place of sysfs entries
Oct 07 05:54:07 <geist> or git stash and git stash apply
Oct 07 05:54:29 <geist> i think we rewrote it to not be a module at all
Oct 07 05:54:31 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: he dont need to rebase at all, he just dont like to commit
Oct 07 05:54:35 <egaudet> lol
Oct 07 05:54:51 <geist> well, he could also commit and then deal
Oct 07 05:54:56 <geist> git works a lot better when you commit
Oct 07 05:55:00 <geist> commit often
Oct 07 05:55:10 <egaudet> as I'm finding out
Oct 07 05:55:21 <geist> since committing is entirely local, it doesn't matter as much
Oct 07 05:55:21 <PuffTheMagic> geist: those updates gonna be out before the year is up?
Oct 07 05:55:31 <geist> PuffTheMagic: dunno
Oct 07 05:55:34 <geist> i'm not working on that stuff
Oct 07 05:55:44 <PuffTheMagic> oh i thought you implied you were before
Oct 07 05:55:50 <geist> nope
Oct 07 05:55:52 <PuffTheMagic> geist: thought a kernel udpate was comming for 1.2
Oct 07 05:56:01 <geist> no idea. i'm not working on that
Oct 07 05:56:05 <rwhitby> new version of PreLoad released that uses ipkgservice and supports patches
Oct 07 05:56:22 <rwhitby> I heard Jason wrote it ...
Oct 07 05:58:13 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: we just got camd_msg.h, profile.h, simple_ipc.h and PalmOmxjpegEncExif.h from Palm released as LGPL
Oct 07 05:58:42 <rwhitby> these are the header files needed to complete a successful compile for libgstcamsrc
Oct 07 05:58:43 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: what are they to?
Oct 07 05:58:47 <PuffTheMagic> oh
Oct 07 05:58:49 <PuffTheMagic> nice
Oct 07 05:59:10 <rwhitby> I'll create a repo for them like the luna ones
Oct 07 05:59:12 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: we need to get on the about the hidd stuff, especially the hidd stuff for directfb
Oct 07 05:59:19 <PuffTheMagic> so we can finnish the directfb adapter
Oct 07 06:02:03 <egaudet> acydlord, ping
Oct 07 06:02:10 <acydlord> yo?
Oct 07 06:02:45 <egaudet> gitorious modificatios repo, messaging/messaging-timestamps-clean.patch
Oct 07 06:03:27 <egaudet> is that your work
Oct 07 06:03:55 <acydlord> clean_messenger_timestamps1.2 is mine
Oct 07 06:04:04 <acydlord> not sure if the other is my work that someone added or not
Oct 07 06:04:51 <egaudet> I think I added it from the precentral forums
Oct 07 06:05:36 <acydlord> ahh
Oct 07 06:05:39 <egaudet> looks pretty much the same as your merge request except for your request didn't seem to have the timestamp {} class
Oct 07 06:05:55 <acydlord> yeah, i removed that portion because it wasnt being used
Oct 07 06:06:10 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, git doesn't keep log history after a git mv?
Oct 07 06:06:28 <PuffTheMagic> git dont remove any history
Oct 07 06:06:32 <acydlord> pretty much the only change other than some commenting and the line numbers being different
Oct 07 06:06:44 <geist> moving a file within git is kind of special
Oct 07 06:06:56 <egaudet> acydlord, do you have push access on gitorious
Oct 07 06:07:10 <geist> it actually doesn't track it at all, it recovers the move info later
Oct 07 06:07:25 <acydlord> egaudet, sure dont, hence the merge request
Oct 07 06:07:30 <chrisa> hm, is nanplayer not in preware?
Oct 07 06:07:30 <egaudet> I will put your changes into the newly named file (messaging-timestamp-clean.patch) and mark you as maintainer
Oct 07 06:07:32 <egaudet> in ipk
Oct 07 06:07:45 <acydlord> cool
Oct 07 06:08:10 <chrisa> Also, I'm a bit disturbed one of you made a Tokyo Mew Mew theme
Oct 07 06:08:51 <egaudet> I gave you push access, do you want to add it?
Oct 07 06:09:39 <egaudet> geist, when you say recovers the move info later, can I get it to show the log of that file including move with git log <file>
Oct 07 06:10:14 <rwhitby> chrisa: I can't find nanplayer on precentral
Oct 07 06:10:18 <geist> not sure
Oct 07 06:10:21 <geist> probably not
Oct 07 06:10:36 <chrisa> I wonder if he never released it?
Oct 07 06:10:42 <acydlord> yeah, i'll add it here in a little while
Oct 07 06:10:47 <geist> it really depends on the tool, and i dont know what the command line log does
Oct 07 06:11:33 <chrisa> geist: psst, transition some things we've talked about to git
Oct 07 06:11:46 <geist> yeah, need to do that
Oct 07 06:12:03 <hmagoo> nanplayer is the "music app in the works" thread
Oct 07 06:12:48 <egaudet> ok now I really need to get to bed, later
Oct 07 06:13:22 <hmagoo> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/190712-new-music-app-works-new-preview-videos-9-1-09-a.html
Oct 07 06:13:48 <PuffTheMagic> bootie on git?
Oct 07 06:14:02 <geist> yeah
Oct 07 06:14:10 <PuffTheMagic> in a pub repo?
Oct 07 06:14:16 <chrisa> noooo
Oct 07 06:14:20 <geist> no, just internally
Oct 07 06:14:28 <chrisa> subversion is a cancer
Oct 07 06:14:29 <PuffTheMagic> no fair teasing
Oct 07 06:14:55 <geist> now that we have an official git server at work, a bunch of projects are moving over
Oct 07 06:15:08 <DraX> svn is indeed a cancer, luckily, git-svn to the rescue!
Oct 07 06:15:19 <geist> almost without fail anyone forced to deal with git for any length of time ends up coming around and deciding it kicks ass
Oct 07 06:15:36 <chrisa> I think everyone on our team is using git-svn for the nova repo now
Oct 07 06:15:43 <geist> yeah, me too
Oct 07 06:16:02 <PuffTheMagic> it would be a real shame if gitweb were to be run accidentially on the palm git server
Oct 07 06:16:11 <chrisa> It's already on it
Oct 07 06:16:16 <geist> it's just not an external box
Oct 07 06:16:29 <DraX> i think only two of us at work use git-svn :(
Oct 07 06:16:41 <geist> bootie may eventually go open source but not yet
Oct 07 06:16:45 <geist> though the guts if it already are
Oct 07 06:16:56 <chrisa> At least the core kernel portion
Oct 07 06:17:07 <geist> yeah, and a chunk of the omap3 code
Oct 07 06:17:19 <geist> i actually need to move more over to lk. mmc, usb, and the fs stuff
Oct 07 06:17:23 <chrisa> qualcomm already has msm bootloader code on aurora
Oct 07 06:17:31 <chrisa> So people have plenty to work with there
Oct 07 06:18:20 <chrisa> Not that they have an msm device yet I suppose :)
Oct 07 06:18:58 <PuffTheMagic> do you guys have contact with the people who control the base userland... like upstart versions
Oct 07 06:19:32 <chrisa> I know we have contact with some of the groups (gst comes to mind), but I couldn't list which ons in general
Oct 07 06:19:58 <geist> sure
Oct 07 06:20:10 <PuffTheMagic> someone needs to prod the people in charge of upstart and get them to bump the version to one with dbus support
Oct 07 06:20:16 <geist> yeah?
Oct 07 06:20:28 <chrisa> oh you meant internally, not upstream. Oops
Oct 07 06:20:37 <geist> i've actually been personally pushing to get away from upstart
Oct 07 06:20:41 <PuffTheMagic> yeah i know how to get to #upstart
Oct 07 06:20:59 <PuffTheMagic> geist: and use what in its place?
Oct 07 06:21:03 <geist> custom
Oct 07 06:21:40 <DraX> is upstart some weird linux init?
Oct 07 06:21:48 <geist> yeah
Oct 07 06:21:56 <PuffTheMagic> DraX: weird no
Oct 07 06:22:01 <DraX> what was wrong with /sbin/init again?
Oct 07 06:22:04 <geist> we spent a lot of time dicking with it, pretty much like i predicted when we got started with the whole thing
Oct 07 06:22:15 <PuffTheMagic> DraX: sysvinit is all sh
Oct 07 06:22:19 <geist> it's got a ton of extra features we dont need, and adds quite a bit of overhead
Oct 07 06:22:44 <PuffTheMagic> geist: you look into kyuba?
Oct 07 06:22:46 <geist> but alas, i have to pick my battles
Oct 07 06:23:10 <PuffTheMagic> i used to be a dev for einit... before it died infavor of kyuba devel
Oct 07 06:23:35 <DraX> geist: would switching to something custom make boot time faster?
Oct 07 06:23:42 <jauderho> no custom pls. i rather you push for the palm custom BT stack to be replaced with bluez =)
Oct 07 06:23:46 <geist> probably
Oct 07 06:24:00 <PuffTheMagic> DraX: avoiding spawing sh shells all the time yes it saves a lot
Oct 07 06:24:07 <jauderho> at least we can then get more BT profiles
Oct 07 06:24:08 <PuffTheMagic> DraX: also using events and doing stuff async is much faster
Oct 07 06:24:22 <DraX> PuffTheMagic: that would be a pro for upstart
Oct 07 06:24:35 <PuffTheMagic> DraX: yeah upstart is pretty decent
Oct 07 06:24:45 <jauderho> geist: i thought your contention was lunasysmgr taking the most out of boot time.
Oct 07 06:24:48 <DraX> PuffTheMagic: i was asking about something custom
Oct 07 06:24:53 <jauderho> not the actual boot process.
Oct 07 06:24:54 <PuffTheMagic> it still uses a lot of sh though
Oct 07 06:24:58 <geist> jauderho: it also competes with a lot of stuff
Oct 07 06:25:03 <PuffTheMagic> einit is nearly all C
Oct 07 06:25:07 <PuffTheMagic> its wicked fast
Oct 07 06:25:12 <PuffTheMagic> and has support for scheme
Oct 07 06:25:30 <jauderho> would be good to see lunasysmgr sped up.
Oct 07 06:25:31 <PuffTheMagic> and kyuba is supposed to be even slicker
Oct 07 06:25:31 <geist> but it's a moot point
Oct 07 06:25:37 <jauderho> hit the low hanging fruit
Oct 07 06:25:46 <geist> as the hardware gets faster it becomes more irrelevant
Oct 07 06:25:55 <PuffTheMagic> geist: true
Oct 07 06:26:08 <PuffTheMagic> most of the boot time bottlenext on most comptuers is disk io now
Oct 07 06:26:22 <geist> yeah, and these flash parts are teh sucks
Oct 07 06:26:41 <geist> alas, the hardware isn't going to get faster any time soon
Oct 07 06:27:00 <geist> SSD gets away being pretty fast by massively parallizing things, and sticking to SLC flash
Oct 07 06:27:18 <geist> 8 big SLC chips with a bigass controller and a lot of dram in front of it
Oct 07 06:27:35 <jauderho> i'm surprise palm isnt doing more to get JS faster (or is it coming? =)
Oct 07 06:27:47 <PuffTheMagic> jauderho: they use v8
Oct 07 06:27:55 <jauderho> older build
Oct 07 06:27:56 <PuffTheMagic> its about as fast as its gonna get i think
Oct 07 06:28:11 <DraX> v8 optimization continues
Oct 07 06:28:18 <DraX> like the native regex engine
Oct 07 06:28:21 <jauderho> the v8 guys have been going gangbusters on improving things
Oct 07 06:28:36 <DraX> and i believe arm was at least for a while, behind i386
Oct 07 06:28:39 <DraX> speed wise
Oct 07 06:29:01 <PuffTheMagic> DraX: well we are still missing some headers to build webcore our selves
Oct 07 06:29:03 <jauderho> yeah, they've checked quite a few arm improvements in recently.
Oct 07 06:29:08 <PuffTheMagic> if we get the missing ones we could bump v8
Oct 07 06:29:20 <geist> yeah, but i doubt you will
Oct 07 06:29:35 <PuffTheMagic> yeah... not getting the libPG stuff any time soon
Oct 07 06:29:44 <PuffTheMagic> not till we release directfb adapter
Oct 07 06:29:48 <PuffTheMagic> then they will release them
Oct 07 06:29:53 <PuffTheMagic> after all our time is wasted
Oct 07 06:30:13 <jauderho> and the browser is still safari 3.2.1
Oct 07 06:30:29 <PuffTheMagic> s/safari/webkit
Oct 07 06:30:30 <DraX> yeah, we want webgl. :)
Oct 07 06:30:47 <jauderho> right. silly fingers
Oct 07 06:31:14 <jauderho> it is also somewhat surprising that webos 1.2 fails sunspider. so something changed there.
Oct 07 06:42:14 <freakout> oil: Have I told you Preware is beautiful today?
Oct 07 06:42:46 <freakout> oil: It's beautiful. I just installed PreLoad for the first time. yearrgggh. ugly
Oct 07 07:00:12 <DraX> i find it terribly amusing when people go super-rant on jwz, find out who he is, and then apologize
Oct 07 07:00:15 <DraX> like it matters
Oct 07 07:00:17 <DraX> it's hilrious
Oct 07 07:01:17 <dreadchicken> preware stuck in "checking version" today, known issue or user error?
Oct 07 07:30:01 <jauderho> damn rboatwright just left
Oct 07 07:30:16 <jauderho> apparently my copy of reversi has a psd file in it.
Oct 07 07:30:22 <jauderho> umm probably not needed
Oct 07 07:38:38 <jauderho> oh this can't be good
Oct 07 07:38:59 <jauderho> downloading the update to word ace results in 2 ipkgs running
Oct 07 07:39:05 <jauderho> and consuming 80% cpu
Oct 07 07:44:54 <tgies_> is there any way at all to spy on what the current track playing in the music app is
Oct 07 07:45:18 <tgies_> you'd think they'd expose that on an api somewhere
Oct 07 07:45:26 <tgies_> i'm trying to write like an audioscrobbler/last.fm client
Oct 07 10:46:43 <sepi> Hi
Oct 07 10:46:58 <sepi> Has anyone of you had the pre mail app working with a dovecot imap server using ssl?
Oct 07 10:47:44 <sepi> I wanted to have a look at the code that handles email but couldn't find it. I guess they wrote a service for that
Oct 07 11:14:30 <en0x> something aint right
Oct 07 11:14:36 <en0x> messaging app is busted
Oct 07 11:14:43 <en0x> it does not keep the timeline
Oct 07 11:15:15 <en0x> let say that somebody sent me a text at 5pm and thenb he sent another one at 6pm the one at 6pm will be on top of the one that i got at 5pm
Oct 07 11:15:19 <en0x> o_X
Oct 07 11:42:02 * en0x bought some apps using sprint visa card
Oct 07 11:42:02 <en0x> ;]
Oct 07 11:47:15 <en0x> the NewsRoom app is nice
Oct 07 11:48:05 <nt4cats> en0x: define 'nice', please
Oct 07 11:48:26 <nt4cats> s/define/elaborate upon/
Oct 07 11:48:27 <infobot> nt4cats meant: en0x: elaborate upon 'nice', please
Oct 07 11:51:21 <en0x> i mean the gui is nice and it runs smooth
Oct 07 11:51:29 <en0x> /s/gui/ui/
Oct 07 12:04:32 * nt4cats left his Pre's USB/charging cable in the car today (parked at the train station near home).  I'm gonna have to buy a spare at lunch
Oct 07 12:05:43 <nt4cats> I'm sure that Radio Shack (the only place nearby I can think of that sells USB cables) is going to want $30 for it, too
Oct 07 12:07:19 <en0x> App Name  	Quantity  	Price
Oct 07 12:07:19 <en0x> NewsRoom 	1 	$4.99
Oct 07 12:07:21 <en0x> Checkers Pro 	1 	$0.99
Oct 07 12:07:23 <en0x> tadam!
Oct 07 12:09:24 <en0x> hmm i have sent like 2 txt messages from sprint to my phone none of them arrived yet
Oct 07 12:11:08 <nt4cats> en0x: using sprint's website?
Oct 07 12:11:20 <en0x> yes
Oct 07 12:12:15 <nt4cats> en0x: if you send me your number in a private message I'll send you a test text (and I won't give your number to anyone else, won't spam you, etc.)
Oct 07 12:12:32 <nt4cats> en0x: or if you have a google voice account you can use that
Oct 07 12:12:39 <nt4cats> (to send yourself a test text message)
Oct 07 12:13:50 <en0x> i'm trying to find out why i got the messaging app glitch
Oct 07 12:14:01 <en0x> new messages were going on the top of old messages
Oct 07 12:19:56 <rwhitby> jettero: BTW, Jason wanted me to pass on thanks for resetfileindexer
Oct 07 12:32:59 <en0x> rwhitby: there is something wrong with this image that i created for pre
Oct 07 12:34:11 <en0x> test messages dont show up in messaging app
Oct 07 12:34:16 <en0x> even the ones that i send
Oct 07 12:34:48 <drnull> en0x: (I know it wasn't addressed to me) you've been messing the the .db file though, right?
Oct 07 12:34:58 <en0x> i wonder what will happen if i remove PalmDatabase.db3
Oct 07 12:35:01 <en0x> drnull: right :p
Oct 07 12:35:14 <drnull> so there's not necessarily anything wrong with the image.  ;)
Oct 07 12:35:29 <dianehelen> anyone care to help a really annoyed frustrated Pre Owner? ;)
Oct 07 12:35:55 <en0x> i will remove PalmDatabase.db3
Oct 07 12:35:58 <en0x> and see what will happen
Oct 07 12:36:34 <en0x> po robocie zara
Oct 07 12:36:38 <en0x> oops not here
Oct 07 12:38:12 * en0x removed PalmDatabase.db3 and reboted pre
Oct 07 12:38:19 <en0x> s/reboted/rebooted/
Oct 07 12:38:42 <drnull> dianehelen: It's tough to get a bite without at least baiting the hook...  just state your frustration and stick around a while, somebody might answer it...
Oct 07 12:38:53 <drnull> Also, it's early yet... *yawn*
Oct 07 12:39:45 <dianehelen> ok, I will "bait" the hook. did 1.2.1 os update, stupidly without removing tweaks,etc, really messed up my pre, had to Doctor back to 1.1, and bit by bit restore to where I want
Oct 07 12:40:10 <dianehelen> BUT, I am having issues getting my VK back, keep getting the error 4, have tried a few suggested fixes, to no avail
Oct 07 12:40:29 <dianehelen> I have linux access and am comfortable enough navigating around in the os
Oct 07 12:41:02 <dianehelen> cant remove vk in preware, get the script prompt, then the error
Oct 07 12:41:26 <dianehelen> tried emoneys sh script, but when I tried to remount to ro, get an error
Oct 07 12:43:28 <rwhitby> dianehelen: for the remount error, try rebooting the Pre
Oct 07 12:43:43 <dianehelen> ok will do that now
Oct 07 12:43:58 <rwhitby> we don't know what causes that one yet, but rebooting seems to fix it until next time
Oct 07 12:44:10 <rwhitby> who is ready to alpha test a new ipkgservice?
Oct 07 12:44:32 <dianehelen> thats rwhitby how is your get rob a pre fund coming along?
Oct 07 12:44:33 <en0x> me me me
Oct 07 12:44:42 <rwhitby> dianehelen: I have a Pre right here.
Oct 07 12:44:48 <dianehelen> oh YAYYYYYYYYY
Oct 07 12:45:04 <en0x> ok i removed PalmDatabse.db3 and looks like everything is back to normal
Oct 07 12:45:08 <rwhitby> dianehelen: I have experience the remount problem on the real device
Oct 07 12:45:10 <dianehelen> guess thats what happens when I acutally have work to do for a while, I lose touch with stuff around here
Oct 07 12:45:33 <dianehelen> so after reboot, should I go in and try the remount again?
Oct 07 12:47:55 <dianehelen> ok rebooted, got back in,  did the remount ro and it took it
Oct 07 12:48:10 <dianehelen> so whats my next step to I guess remove VK then reinstall?
Oct 07 12:48:23 <dianehelen> I did run that clean script, it seemed to execute
Oct 07 12:49:05 <freakout> rwhitby: I'll test for you
Oct 07 12:49:18 <rwhitby> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.6_all.ipk ready for testing with current Preware version
Oct 07 12:49:27 <freakout> funky
Oct 07 12:49:45 <rwhitby> you should experience the AutoPatch feed being added by default
Oct 07 12:49:52 <freakout> nice!
Oct 07 12:50:10 <dianehelen> autopatch feed? where IS that?
Oct 07 12:50:15 <rwhitby> note that this is *not* the public release of AutoPatch
Oct 07 12:50:23 <freakout> haha
Oct 07 12:50:25 <freakout> glad you said that
Oct 07 12:50:33 * freakout erases draft blog ;)
Oct 07 12:50:34 <rwhitby> and the patch names *will* change significantly in the next 24 hours
Oct 07 12:52:01 <rwhitby> freakout: once you confirm that it works with current Preware version, we'll have a new Preware version with feed management capabilities for you to test as well
Oct 07 12:52:02 <dianehelen> grr still cannot remove VK getting error 4 when saying ok to run script
Oct 07 12:52:13 <rwhitby> dianehelen: what does IPKG Log report
Oct 07 12:52:21 <dianehelen> lemme look
Oct 07 12:52:23 <freakout> Patch names changing?  how so? less scary for aunt minnie?
Oct 07 12:52:50 <rwhitby> freakout: consistency, as dBsooner and egaudet have been discussing in channel earlier today
Oct 07 12:52:50 <freakout> dianehelen: if you type autopatch into the "list of everything" in preware, you'll bring it up
Oct 07 12:53:04 <freakout> rwhitby: ah
Oct 07 12:53:41 <freakout> been all over town tonight gathering medical reports for the army, haven't caught up since the "vigorous" discussion on Palm's new app strategy...
Oct 07 12:55:51 <dianehelen> ok IPKG log says: Failed ErrorGenericMethodException: Failed Error: No md5Sums.patched file!?
Oct 07 12:56:01 <freakout> Yep, autopatch by default. cool
Oct 07 12:56:28 <rwhitby> freakout: go into preferences and select the feeds menu
Oct 07 12:57:00 <freakout> oh, nice!
Oct 07 12:57:08 <freakout> that'll help with borked repos.
Oct 07 12:57:12 <freakout> has that always been there? am i slow?
Oct 07 12:57:33 <oil> lol
Oct 07 12:57:38 <oil> it was added in 092
Oct 07 12:57:42 <oil> but wasn't functional
Oct 07 12:57:46 <rwhitby> oil: see - it should be in the main menu :-)
Oct 07 12:57:57 <oil> its part of preferences
Oct 07 12:58:03 <oil> ill never say that its not part of preferences
Oct 07 12:58:08 <oil> its a setting
Oct 07 12:58:12 <freakout> oil: true
Oct 07 12:58:23 <oil> maybe the menu isn't the best place
Oct 07 12:58:27 * rwhitby doesn't press the point,       ......    today   .......
Oct 07 12:58:30 <freakout> but because that menu still says "Preware", one doesn't expect it to have a different option on different scenes
Oct 07 12:58:30 <oil> maybe it should be a link on the page
Oct 07 12:58:40 <freakout> oil: yeah
Oct 07 12:58:41 <oil> and not in the preferences menu
Oct 07 12:58:43 <dianehelen> so what does that log tell you?
Oct 07 12:59:13 <rwhitby> dianehelen: that means that something has already removed the file which tells the keyboard how to safely uninstall
Oct 07 12:59:31 <rwhitby> dianehelen: what does "ipkg -o /var list_installed" say about the keyboard package?
Oct 07 12:59:53 <dianehelen> where do I find that?
Oct 07 12:59:59 <rwhitby> dianehelen: linux command line
Oct 07 13:00:00 <freakout> rwhitby, oil: so is that meant to be functional now? 'cause it don't work for me
Oct 07 13:00:08 <dianehelen> ahhh ok let me get back in it
Oct 07 13:00:36 <oil> uh
Oct 07 13:00:41 <rwhitby> freakout: nope, it should just list them so far
Oct 07 13:00:46 <oil> rwhitby needs to push 093 to the test feed
Oct 07 13:00:54 <oil> but everything else should still work
Oct 07 13:00:56 <rwhitby> freakout: it lists them fine?
Oct 07 13:00:59 <oil> regardless of the feeds thing
Oct 07 13:01:02 <freakout> rwhitby: yes indeedy
Oct 07 13:01:06 <oil> and it loads feeds
Oct 07 13:01:08 <oil> and displays apps
Oct 07 13:01:10 <oil> etc, etc
Oct 07 13:01:28 <dianehelen> its says 0.4.2 Virtual Keyboard
Oct 07 13:01:49 * oil goes to eat breakfast
Oct 07 13:02:01 * freakout recommends something with lots of bran
Oct 07 13:02:14 <oil> lol
Oct 07 13:02:19 <oil> waffles?
Oct 07 13:02:34 <freakout> oil: depends. Are you putting bran flakes on them?
Oct 07 13:03:05 <freakout> Bran is awesome. You'll be so regular you could set a clock to your bowel movements
Oct 07 13:03:13 <freakout> ...and that's enough info, i think.
Oct 07 13:03:49 <dianehelen> maybe if I give my Pre some bran it will work better ;)
Oct 07 13:04:16 <rwhitby> dianehelen: "sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.prerm"
Oct 07 13:04:18 <freakout> rwhitby: everything looks good. Installing, removing, listing all a-ok
Oct 07 13:04:34 <rwhitby> freakout: 0.9.3 of Preware in the same place
Oct 07 13:04:40 <freakout> :)
Oct 07 13:04:54 <dianehelen> just run that command line?
Oct 07 13:04:57 <freakout> dianehelen: Couldn't hurt... so long as you leave out the milk ;)
Oct 07 13:04:58 <rwhitby> dianehelen: yep
Oct 07 13:05:32 <dianehelen> got error md5sums patched file
Oct 07 13:05:51 <rwhitby> dianehelen: ok, "ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard"
Oct 07 13:06:19 <rwhitby> dianehelen: then use Jason's WebOS Repair utility to check your framework files are ok
Oct 07 13:06:45 <rwhitby> dianehelen: also remove any keyboard stuff from /media/internal/
Oct 07 13:06:49 <dianehelen> ughh wish I could copy paste from the term window
Oct 07 13:06:58 <dianehelen> something about offline root mode
Oct 07 13:07:05 <rwhitby> dianehelen: that's expected
Oct 07 13:07:09 <dianehelen> oh ok
Oct 07 13:07:18 <dianehelen> came back to # after that..
Oct 07 13:07:21 <rwhitby> that's why we have to do the prerm first
Oct 07 13:07:33 <rwhitby> ok, Preware should now thing the VK is gone
Oct 07 13:07:40 <dianehelen> I thought I read that jasons util did not work for webos 1.2.1
Oct 07 13:07:50 <rwhitby> dianehelen: ah, you're right, it doesn't
Oct 07 13:07:52 <dianehelen> oh ya, should I go back and look at preware
Oct 07 13:08:03 <dianehelen> do I need to reboot again?
Oct 07 13:08:13 <rwhitby> dianehelen: no, but update feeds
Oct 07 13:08:16 <rwhitby> or restart Preware
Oct 07 13:08:28 <rwhitby> dianehelen: you can try to reinstall VK now, and if it works then you're fine.
Oct 07 13:08:42 <freakout> rwhitby: feeds menu works great now
Oct 07 13:09:02 <rwhitby> if it doesn't install, then it means the framework files are borked, and you need to copy them from some extracted from the doctor
Oct 07 13:09:15 <dianehelen> ok' preware no longer sees VK
Oct 07 13:09:27 <dianehelen> what about pkg mgr, leave that alone?
Oct 07 13:09:31 <rwhitby> freakout: ok, this cannot be announced until eguadet is ready to release AutoPatch
Oct 07 13:09:35 <dianehelen> should I try to install vk via preware?
Oct 07 13:09:40 <rwhitby> dianehelen: yes
Oct 07 13:10:09 <dianehelen> ok fingers crossed.. IF this works I'll have to swim across the Pacific and KISS you :)\
Oct 07 13:10:27 <freakout> rwhitby: no wukkers
Oct 07 13:10:44 <freakout> dianehelen, rwhitby is a married man! shock horror!
Oct 07 13:10:45 <rwhitby> dianehelen: I'll take a warm hug, instead.  never know what you yankies might be carrying ;-)
Oct 07 13:11:35 <rwhitby> freakout: do a time comparison with Precentral enabled and disabled
Oct 07 13:11:53 <freakout> heh, i was just trying that now
Oct 07 13:12:22 <dianehelen> where IS the VK in preware?
Oct 07 13:12:45 <oil> lurking in the corner
Oct 07 13:12:56 <en0x> just search for it
Oct 07 13:13:09 <en0x> type virtual and it should show u
Oct 07 13:13:18 <oil> list of everything "keybo..."
Oct 07 13:14:04 <dianehelen> nope, not coming up
Oct 07 13:14:06 <freakout> actually, that's not quite as bad as i thought it would be
Oct 07 13:14:20 <freakout> With Precentral (and PC-themes) 16.20secs
Oct 07 13:14:29 <freakout> Without: 11.47secs
Oct 07 13:15:02 <freakout> note this is on the emulator of course, i imagine the difference might be more pronounced on the pre
Oct 07 13:15:05 <dianehelen> does not come up in everythign either keyboa or virtual :(
Oct 07 13:15:17 <dianehelen> what about doing it via QI?
Oct 07 13:17:41 <dianehelen> rwhitby dont abandon me now :)
Oct 07 13:18:04 <en0x> hmm i'm still drunk from yesterday..
Oct 07 13:18:23 <oil> awesome, leftovers!
Oct 07 13:18:30 <en0x> [;
Oct 07 13:18:32 <rwhitby> dianehelen: it's not in the list of everything?
Oct 07 13:18:38 <dianehelen> nope
Oct 07 13:18:48 <rwhitby> dianehelen: Preware 0.9.2 ?
Oct 07 13:18:53 <dianehelen> yes
Oct 07 13:19:00 <freakout> en0x: i'm still drunk from the long weekend ;)
Oct 07 13:19:04 <rwhitby> dianehelen: go into preferences, then the feeds menu item
Oct 07 13:19:13 <dianehelen> leave it to me huh? ;)
Oct 07 13:19:25 <rwhitby> dianehelen: how many lines in the webos-internals feed entry
Oct 07 13:19:33 <dianehelen> ok update feeds you mean?
Oct 07 13:19:45 <rwhitby> dianehelen: nope, preferences first, then feeds
Oct 07 13:19:58 * rwhitby hopes oil is watching ;-)
Oct 07 13:20:12 * freakout bets he is... and *laughing*
Oct 07 13:20:29 <dianehelen> in prefs, there is no section for feeds???
Oct 07 13:20:36 <rwhitby> dianehelen: menu in prefs
Oct 07 13:20:55 <dianehelen> i have global, startup main scene list scene
Oct 07 13:21:17 <drnull> huh, I never knew that was there either.  Guess I don't have to go remove the themes .conf file now.
Oct 07 13:21:30 <rwhitby> dianehelen: that's weird
Oct 07 13:21:43 <dianehelen> thats me, wierd ughh
Oct 07 13:21:55 <rwhitby> dianehelen: your in the preferences scene, and you've selected the top-left menu, right?
Oct 07 13:22:07 <rwhitby> you should see a single "Feeds" menu item
Oct 07 13:22:40 <dianehelen> top left: Preware
Oct 07 13:22:47 <rwhitby> yep
Oct 07 13:22:59 <dianehelen> tap, see prefs, uopdate fees ipkg log
Oct 07 13:23:02 <dianehelen> tap prefs
Oct 07 13:23:15 <dianehelen> see 4 sections
Oct 07 13:23:20 <rwhitby> tap preware again, see feeds
Oct 07 13:23:35 <dianehelen> Gloabal, startup, main scene, list scene
Oct 07 13:23:46 <dianehelen> ohhh NOW I see feeds
Oct 07 13:24:00 <oil> lol
Oct 07 13:24:01 <dianehelen> wow, thats wierd
Oct 07 13:24:04 <drnull> ah, "added in 092 but wasn't functional" nevermind, I'll see it working when 093 comes out.
Oct 07 13:24:05 <rwhitby> heh
Oct 07 13:24:20 <dianehelen> ok now I see precentrel prethemes.etc..where to from here
Oct 07 13:24:21 <rwhitby> dianehelen: want to be the casting vote ?
Oct 07 13:24:44 <oil> drnull: the versions of preware and package manager in the test feed will let you toggle feeds
Oct 07 13:25:01 <dianehelen> ok what am I looking for here?
Oct 07 13:25:04 <en0x> nice
Oct 07 13:25:06 <rwhitby> dianehelen: I think "Manage Feeds" should be on the main menu, oil thinks it should stay in Preferences.  We're looking for a casting vote :-)
Oct 07 13:25:14 <rwhitby> dianehelen: how many lines in the webos-internals feed
Oct 07 13:25:26 <en0x> preferences!
Oct 07 13:25:26 <dianehelen> I vote for getting my damn VK working again ;)
Oct 07 13:25:38 <dianehelen> 7
Oct 07 13:25:52 <dianehelen> canuck
Oct 07 13:25:54 <dianehelen> optware
Oct 07 13:26:00 <dianehelen> pinpmypre
Oct 07 13:26:02 <dianehelen> precetnral
Oct 07 13:26:06 <rwhitby> 7? should be 2 for webos-internals
Oct 07 13:26:11 <dianehelen> precent themes
Oct 07 13:26:13 <dianehelen> prethemer
Oct 07 13:26:23 <dianehelen> just 1 for webos internals
Oct 07 13:26:47 <rwhitby> 1 for canuck, 2 for optware, 2 for pimp, 1 for precentral, 1 for p-themes,  1 for prethemer, 2 for preyourmind, 2 for webos-internals
Oct 07 13:26:53 <rwhitby> that's what it should be
Oct 07 13:27:01 <rwhitby> how does yours differ?
Oct 07 13:27:16 <dianehelen> just as I typed above
Oct 07 13:27:20 <dianehelen> 1 cannuck
Oct 07 13:27:23 <dianehelen> 1 opt
Oct 07 13:27:30 <dianehelen> 1 pimp
Oct 07 13:27:33 <dianehelen> 1 precent
Oct 07 13:27:42 <dianehelen> 1 precen tthems
Oct 07 13:27:48 <dianehelen> 1 pre themer
Oct 07 13:27:48 <rwhitby> dianehelen: ok, it seems the postinst for ipkgservice was not run correctly on your pre
Oct 07 13:27:52 <dianehelen> 1 pre your mind
Oct 07 13:27:57 <dianehelen> 1 webos int
Oct 07 13:28:03 <rwhitby> dianehelen: you need to use WOSQI to reinstall Package Manager Service
Oct 07 13:28:26 <drnull> rwhitby: I'm with you, sorry oil.  A menu just doesn't feel right in a preferences scene.
Oct 07 13:28:38 <dianehelen> I have tried that, it seems like it takes it, but would that be dff now after removing VK?
Oct 07 13:28:39 <rwhitby> dianehelen: does the entry for webos-internals say something about not being configured?
Oct 07 13:28:52 <dianehelen> no just has a toggle set to ON
Oct 07 13:29:04 <rwhitby> dianehelen: what does the 1 line in webos-internals say in the light grey text?
Oct 07 13:29:13 <dianehelen> feed
Oct 07 13:29:24 <FreeTim> I'm with oil - 'managing' some setting (even via a menu) sounds like Preferences, to me
Oct 07 13:29:53 <rwhitby> dianehelen: just "feed", no URL like the lines in PreCentral and others?
Oct 07 13:30:17 <dianehelen> a few of them just say feed
Oct 07 13:30:29 <dianehelen> optware adn preyour mind
Oct 07 13:30:41 <rwhitby> dianehelen: yep, postinst failure
Oct 07 13:30:43 <dianehelen> the others have lines
Oct 07 13:30:57 <rwhitby> dianehelen: try reinstall via wosqi - just Package Manager Service, nothing else
Oct 07 13:31:05 <dianehelen> ok
Oct 07 13:31:05 <rwhitby> then check this screen again
Oct 07 13:31:20 <dianehelen> does it matter I still have to novterm window open?
Oct 07 13:31:28 <dianehelen> or should I shut that for now?
Oct 07 13:31:28 <rwhitby> nope
Oct 07 13:31:31 <dianehelen> ok
Oct 07 13:32:50 <dianehelen> ok pgk mgr went thru from qi no errors.. I did close preware before doing that.. gonna re open and look
Oct 07 13:33:32 <rwhitby> wait for about 10 seconds or so for the service to start
Oct 07 13:33:41 <rwhitby> or when you see cellular service return
Oct 07 13:33:56 <dianehelen> ok
Oct 07 13:34:01 <dianehelen> now launch preware
Oct 07 13:34:02 <dianehelen> ?
Oct 07 13:34:06 <rwhitby> yep
Oct 07 13:34:18 <dianehelen> ok then?
Oct 07 13:34:27 <rwhitby> look in the prefs/feeds screen again
Oct 07 13:34:54 <dianehelen> same :(
Oct 07 13:35:23 <rwhitby> dianehelen: back into novaterm
Oct 07 13:35:31 <dianehelen> ok Im there
Oct 07 13:35:49 <rwhitby> dianehelen: "sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst"
Oct 07 13:36:14 <rwhitby> you will need to make rootfs writeable first
Oct 07 13:36:20 <dianehelen> do I need to remount rw first
Oct 07 13:36:22 <dianehelen> ahh ok
Oct 07 13:37:02 <dianehelen> ok back to #
Oct 07 13:37:19 <rwhitby> dianehelen: oh, did you actually remove the package manager in QI first, or just update?
Oct 07 13:37:20 <dianehelen> next?
Oct 07 13:37:35 <dianehelen> tried to remove, got error 4 when trying to run script
Oct 07 13:37:49 <rwhitby> ok, that explains it
Oct 07 13:38:00 <rwhitby> dianehelen: back to preware, reopen the feeds screen
Oct 07 13:38:39 <rwhitby> should see two lines for optware, preyourmind and webos-internals now
Oct 07 13:39:10 <dianehelen> ahh progres! 2 lines under websos
Oct 07 13:39:17 <rwhitby> dianehelen: everything should work now
Oct 07 13:39:29 <rwhitby> trying installing VK
Oct 07 13:39:33 <dianehelen> you promise? ;)
Oct 07 13:39:34 * nt4cats wonders if it is diane, helen, or if dianehelen is one of those multi-personality sorts
Oct 07 13:39:47 <rwhitby> dianehelen: update feeds to find it
Oct 07 13:39:56 <dianehelen> install VK from preware?
Oct 07 13:40:00 <rwhitby> yep
Oct 07 13:40:24 <rwhitby> preware should be fully functional for you now.  it was crippled before
Oct 07 13:41:01 <rwhitby> dianehelen: note that you've now volunteered to write the Preware troubleshooting guide ...
Oct 07 13:41:21 <rwhitby> I hope you kept screenshots along the way ;-)
Oct 07 13:42:01 <dianehelen> progress! I hope, its rebooting?
Oct 07 13:42:13 <rwhitby> just restarting luna
Oct 07 13:42:45 <dianehelen> OH MANNNNNNNN I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oct 07 13:42:59 <dianehelen> where should I send MORE donations??
Oct 07 13:43:17 <en0x> to my paypal account
Oct 07 13:43:18 <en0x> ;D
Oct 07 13:43:20 <rwhitby> dianehelen: seriously, the Preware troubleshooting guide would be more useful than money right now
Oct 07 13:43:27 <nt4cats> Send cash to "the old man 1716 Chestnut Street Ste 4, Philadelphia, PA"
Oct 07 13:43:48 <dianehelen> so, just to sum up in my feeble old mind.. was ALL this due to my haste in updateing to 1.2.1 OS and NOT removing VK first?
Oct 07 13:44:14 <rwhitby> dianehelen: no, for some reason when you first installed Preware, the Package Manager was not installed properly
Oct 07 13:44:25 <rwhitby> completely independent of webos version
Oct 07 13:44:34 <dianehelen> but it was all working before that
Oct 07 13:44:35 <rwhitby> completely independent of VK
Oct 07 13:44:59 <dianehelen> huh, and any idea how that was not installed properly? I did it via QI from the feeds menu
Oct 07 13:45:18 <rwhitby> dianehelen: was there any time that there was an update of both Package Manager Service and Preware available, and you updated Preware first?
Oct 07 13:45:50 <dianehelen> like I remember?  I guess its possible... but I cant isolate for sure
Oct 07 13:45:54 <rwhitby> oil: we need deps working.
Oct 07 13:46:23 <dianehelen> so, is this also part of my other issue? the landscame email tweak is not working?
Oct 07 13:46:39 <rwhitby> nah, that's a whole different thing probably
Oct 07 13:46:47 <m1randa> hello, good morning
Oct 07 13:47:01 <dianehelen> and the hide nascar and nfl also do not work
Oct 07 13:50:37 <m1randa> hi
Oct 07 13:50:43 <m1randa> anyone here?
Oct 07 13:50:44 <dianehelen> hi m1randa
Oct 07 13:50:51 <m1randa> hi there :)
Oct 07 13:51:26 <dianehelen> ya lots here, but there are a lot of conv going on, sometimes takes a while to get into the mix
Oct 07 13:51:31 <nt4cats> dianehelen: I've got 1.2.1, and hiding nascar worked for me ...
Oct 07 13:51:43 * freakout waves at m1randa as he prepares to walk out the door
Oct 07 13:51:45 <dianehelen> lucky yo nt3cats ;)
Oct 07 13:51:50 <m1randa> i see dianehelen. thanks.
Oct 07 13:52:38 <m1randa> have anyone of you tried the Show Actual Battery Percentage patch?
Oct 07 13:52:41 <dianehelen> boy I guess I learned MY lessong about undoing stuff before an update.. I got away easy from 1.1 to 1.2, but 1.2.1 just hosed me
Oct 07 13:52:41 <freakout> rwhitby, oil, my fiddling has unconvered no issues with preware 0.9.3 or ipkgservice. nice work, as usual
Oct 07 13:52:41 <nt4cats> DH: if you (with dev mode enabled) run webosQI, and open the tweaks panel -- is the 'hide nascar' box checked?
Oct 07 13:52:56 <freakout> g'night all
Oct 07 13:53:02 <m1randa> bye freakout
Oct 07 13:53:04 <dianehelen> ya thats how I did it,m nt4, but it doenst work
Oct 07 13:53:08 <rwhitby> yeah, I'm turning in too
Oct 07 13:53:10 * rwhitby bbt
Oct 07 13:53:17 <oil> later
Oct 07 13:53:19 <dianehelen> nite rod, thanks soo much
Oct 07 13:53:31 <AnOutsider> night guys
Oct 07 13:53:38 <rwhitby> dianehelen: don't forget about that troubleshooting guide you owe me ...
Oct 07 13:53:48 <dianehelen> I would not know where to start ;)
Oct 07 13:54:07 <rwhitby> ah well, no more help from me then ...
Oct 07 13:54:14 <dianehelen> :( sniff
Oct 07 13:54:47 <rwhitby> you start by documenting the symptoms you just experienced, and the solution we walked through.  with screenshots.
Oct 07 13:55:03 <rwhitby> then someone else adds to it, and so on.
Oct 07 13:55:13 <dianehelen> I dont have screen shots of the issues, now that they are fixed
Oct 07 13:55:18 <m1randa> has someone looked over bar-assistant.js, more specifically, the lines that displays the battery percentage, around line 1300ish?
Oct 07 13:55:39 <rwhitby> eventually, we just point new people to the guide, and it solves all their problems, giving us more time to add more features
Oct 07 13:55:52 <rwhitby> that's the only way a community scales.
Oct 07 13:55:57 <en0x> hmm so when new preware will be available along with ipkservice?
Oct 07 13:56:09 <nt4cats> m1randa: I haven't looked at it before/yet -- do you have a specific question?
Oct 07 13:56:14 <rwhitby> en0x: it's available now in the alpha testing area
Oct 07 13:56:31 <en0x> ok i will add testing feed then
Oct 07 13:56:50 <rwhitby> once we have three alpha testing success reports, and egaudet is ready to release autopatch, out it goes.
Oct 07 13:57:11 <en0x> ok
Oct 07 13:57:28 <m1randa> yes nt4cats. i looked over the existing 1.1.0 patch code on the webos-internals wiki, and i found only to replace the percent_ui references with percent. so, i went ahead and replaced them. now, when i charge the pre, it shows that it is charging up...
Oct 07 13:57:28 <dianehelen> ok I'll try to complile at least the broken feeds info, from the chat log here
Oct 07 13:57:38 <rwhitby> dianehelen: thank you
Oct 07 13:58:01 <m1randa> but when it reaches 98%, it starts going back to 97, 96, and 95%, stalling there, but it still shows as charging.
Oct 07 13:58:05 * rwhitby bbt
Oct 07 13:58:53 <m1randa> i mean, it is charging. but the percentage starts decreasing whenever it hits 98%.
Oct 07 13:59:17 <m1randa> this is on 1.2.1, btw.
Oct 07 14:01:01 <m1randa> i'm just asking to see if anyone of you have changed those lines in bar-assistant.js in 1.2.1
Oct 07 14:01:03 <en0x> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          164 Oct  7 09:59 /var/etc/ipkg/webos-testing.conf
Oct 07 14:01:06 <en0x> ;D
Oct 07 14:04:33 <en0x> i dont see anything about feed management in my preware
Oct 07 14:05:02 <oil> preware 093 and package manager 096?
Oct 07 14:05:19 <en0x> yap
Oct 07 14:05:24 <oil> in the go to preferences
Oct 07 14:05:28 <oil> then in the app menu hit feeds
Oct 07 14:05:42 <en0x> ok gotcha now
Oct 07 14:07:01 <en0x> looking good
Oct 07 14:07:03 <en0x> :)
Oct 07 14:07:28 <nt4cats> m1randa: I didn't change those lines (or enable the tweak), so I can't tell you how my Pre is behaving
Oct 07 14:07:57 <m1randa> nt4cats: very well. thanks anyway. I'll keep testing it out.
Oct 07 14:08:20 <nt4cats> m1randa: ... and I left my USB/charging cable at home today, so I can't apply the tweak right now.  I'm planning to run out and buy a spare cable during lunch today ...
Oct 07 14:09:07 <m1randa> haha, i bought 5 of those on eBay for a buck each.
Oct 07 14:09:28 <nt4cats> m1randa: I will say that in a past life I've worked at a company that manufactured hardware -- and some of the strangest code we had was to come up with the "charge level" of our battery.  It is crazy science/physics/gussswork.
Oct 07 14:10:00 <m1randa> yeah, i figured. maybe the behaviour is normal.
Oct 07 14:10:20 <nt4cats> m1randa: I'm going to have to walk into a radio shack (the only store nearby that I can think of other than my Sprint store that carries USB cables) -- I bet I'm going to have to lay out $25 for one
Oct 07 14:10:45 <m1randa> whoa, not even worth $5.
Oct 07 14:11:12 <nt4cats> m1randa: shouldn't cost more than $5, but retail stores really stick it to you
Oct 07 14:11:28 <nt4cats> it is a crime
Oct 07 14:11:32 <m1randa> yeah, they do. that is why i eBay those items instead.
Oct 07 14:11:35 <nt4cats> ... but that is capitalism for you
Oct 07 14:11:49 <nt4cats> I can't wait for eBay -- my battery will run out before then
Oct 07 14:12:01 <AnOutsider> aye aye aye
Oct 07 14:12:10 <AnOutsider> theming has become SO easy compated to jsut a month and change ago
Oct 07 14:12:16 <AnOutsider> how do people manage to have SO many problems
Oct 07 14:12:37 <nt4cats> AnOut: we're not all as smart and good looking as you.
Oct 07 14:12:43 <nt4cats> AnOut: nor are we as charming
Oct 07 14:13:50 <AnOutsider> No need to be smart or good looking
Oct 07 14:13:53 <oil> AnOutsider: by making it easier, its obtainable by more people
Oct 07 14:14:04 <FreeTim> nt4cats: I know you're just getting a cable, but if you're tempted for a charger, be aware that chargers matching the form factor may not match the voltages... I got burned that way
Oct 07 14:14:08 <AnOutsider> right, people who apparently dont liek reading directions
Oct 07 14:14:20 <oil> lol
Oct 07 14:14:27 <oil> nobody ever reads directions
Oct 07 14:14:29 <oil> thats a given
Oct 07 14:14:35 <AnOutsider> Which I understand, but cmon, if you skip the directions and mess up, why take it out on someone else? There's no sense of personal responsibility
Oct 07 14:14:43 <oil> of course not
Oct 07 14:14:51 <oil> its not their fault
Oct 07 14:14:52 <oil> lol
Oct 07 14:15:01 <nt4cats> Free: I have my palm-branded charger (the one that converts AC -> USB), but I need a USB cable that has the micro-USB (a.k.a. what the Pre has) on one end
Oct 07 14:15:27 <AnOutsider> I got an email from soemoen curing me out for a theme I didnt even make that won't remove from his phone. "IT FUCKING ISNT IN PREWARE SO HOW THE FUCK DO I REMOVE IT?!?! DO YOU GUYS REMOVE IT FROM PREWARE TO FORCE PEOPLE TO USE YOUR SHITTY THEME?"
Oct 07 14:15:29 <nt4cats> Free: I was using the cable to apply tweaks to my pre with my laptop while on the train yesterday ... and the cable didn't make it back into my bag
Oct 07 14:16:10 <oil> even if its removed from preware, its still listed in the installed packages list
Oct 07 14:16:18 <en0x> why just dont u install tweaks thru preware? nt4cats
Oct 07 14:16:43 <AnOutsider> oil: I know that. You know that. They don't. And instead of asking, they htink it's better to fly into a rage at the person who could actually help them
Oct 07 14:17:27 <nt4cats> en0x: well, I opened up the preware app, didn't see something that said "tweaks" (even though I thought I could use PreWare) ... and decided I'd use QI to do it and look up how to do it via PreWare another time
Oct 07 14:17:33 <oil> lol
Oct 07 14:17:44 <oil> i've worked with users for a long time
Oct 07 14:17:47 <oil> they'll never change
Oct 07 14:17:53 <oil> you cant let it get ot you
Oct 07 14:17:56 <AnOutsider> as have I, but it never gets easier
Oct 07 14:17:58 <oil> get to you*
Oct 07 14:18:03 <oil> it never will
Oct 07 14:18:04 <oil> lol
Oct 07 14:18:20 <AnOutsider> It does tho, it annoys the crap outta me. That's why at my company I have others do all forward-facing interaction so I can curse in the background haha
Oct 07 14:18:51 <oil> lol
Oct 07 14:18:53 <AnOutsider> Had a customer email in this morning cursing us out because he tried ot use a product we discontinued 2 years ago
Oct 07 14:18:53 <en0x> nt4cats: because in preware we have patches :) and autopatch-feed :)
Oct 07 14:19:09 <oil> and usually people just need to vent
Oct 07 14:19:31 <AnOutsider> true true
Oct 07 14:19:44 <AnOutsider> I just dont have the patience for it haha
Oct 07 14:20:33 <nt4cats> en0x: I figured it was something simple, but I was standing in a train station and wanted to be able to pin my phone to "roam only" ... so I went with the method I knew.  I promise I'll figure out (and try out) patches via PreWare and autopatch-feed today.
Oct 07 14:20:51 <en0x> dont promise me ;P
Oct 07 14:21:12 <en0x> i dont like to connect my pre to my pc then go to dev mode and install patches thats lame\
Oct 07 14:21:15 <en0x> imho
Oct 07 14:21:16 <en0x> ;]
Oct 07 14:21:32 <AnOutsider> I concur
Oct 07 14:21:46 <AnOutsider> super happy preware has thw tweaks. Sat in bed last night installing a crapload of em
Oct 07 14:22:04 <en0x> lol me too
Oct 07 14:22:04 <en0x> :D
Oct 07 14:22:31 <en0x> but i was sitting on a toilet
Oct 07 14:22:32 * nt4cats is lame
Oct 07 14:26:57 <nt4cats> en0x: okay, my preware says "available patches" -- 0.  I'm guessing I don't have the autopatch-feed
Oct 07 14:27:13 * nt4cats is reading the webos-internals wiki to figure this out ...
Oct 07 14:27:25 <en0x> go to applications and look for autopatch
Oct 07 14:28:13 * nt4cats is installing autopatch-feed
Oct 07 14:28:19 <en0x> ;]
Oct 07 14:29:05 <AnOutsider> I heard rumblings about a new preware earlier. Any idea whats new?
Oct 07 14:29:13 * nt4cats now has more than 0 patches available
Oct 07 14:29:51 <oil> AnOutsider: its in the test feed
Oct 07 14:30:06 <oil> we added feed enable/disableing
Oct 07 14:30:08 * nt4cats is extra impressed (and I mean *extra*) that the 'tweaks' I applied via QI show up as installed patches
Oct 07 14:30:27 * nt4cats suspects that someone thought this whole thing through.
Oct 07 14:30:35 <oil> nt4cats it was
Oct 07 14:30:48 <oil> or really, autopatch was created
Oct 07 14:31:01 <oil> then jason decided to support it with the new quickinstall
Oct 07 14:31:06 <oil> when 1.2 broke quick install
Oct 07 14:31:14 <oil> now lets say 1.3 breaks everything
Oct 07 14:31:20 <oil> the community can fix everything
Oct 07 14:31:27 <oil> instead of jason having to do it all
Oct 07 14:31:46 <nt4cats> oil: that sounds like a beautiful thing
Oct 07 14:32:47 <AnOutsider> Sicne css/js files are being removed, maybe jason can be convinced to support the ipk format for themes as well
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 07 14:49:23 2009
Oct 07 14:57:52 * nt4cats can attest to thee fact that it is expensive to be an idiot ($20 for me today, so far)
Oct 07 15:01:53 <egaudet> morn
Oct 07 15:05:47 <PuffTheMagic> morn
Oct 07 15:07:43 <bpadalino|work> what cost you $20 ?
Oct 07 15:17:21 <nt4cats> bpad: I left my usb/charging cable for my pre in my car (I was using it on the train yesterday) -- it didn't make it into my bag
Oct 07 15:18:07 <nt4cats> bpad: ... had to go to staples and pay $20 for a replacement (I'm going to use my Pre for streaming audio for several hours this afternoon -- the battery won't make it on its own)
Oct 07 15:19:17 <Rick_work> ouch
Oct 07 15:19:44 <Rick_work> again,  i strongly advise going to monoprice and buyng six to ten  $0.89 microusb cables
Oct 07 15:20:19 <Rick_work> their build quailty is great.  then leave one at work, one at home, one in the car, one in your suitcase, one in the laptop bag, one in your day-pack  and NEVER move a cable from place to place.
Oct 07 15:20:32 <nt4cats> rick_work: if I didn't need the cable in 3 hours, that'd be perfect for me.
Oct 07 15:20:41 <Rick_work> nt4cats   I've been super happy ever since I did that....
Oct 07 15:20:44 <nt4cats> rick_work: ... but I agree that I should do that now as a hedge against future acts of idiocy
Oct 07 15:20:48 <Rick_work> well,  do it for next time.....
Oct 07 15:21:11 <Rick_work> monoprice is AMAZING.   I -love- their cables.
Oct 07 15:21:35 <Rick_work> I know they're doubtless assmebled by slave labor in burmese prison camps, but the price is hard to beat.
Oct 07 15:27:15 <jtee> Rick_work: I bought 2 and they were about $1.50 each, including shipping from  Hong Kong!  Very nice!
Oct 07 15:29:19 <nt4cats> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5457&seq=1&format=2
Oct 07 15:29:50 <nt4cats> the fancy gold-plated ones are $0.94 if you buy them in quantities of between 2-9
Oct 07 15:29:58 <tlp> I wonder how Palm will solve the small app partition problem. It seems non-trivial to push a partition resize via an update.
Oct 07 15:30:35 <nt4cats> tlp: you can work around it yourself for now with http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Solution_to_App_Catalog_Installation_Limit
Oct 07 15:31:12 <tlp> is that the symlink solution?
Oct 07 15:31:19 <nt4cats> tlp: yes
Oct 07 15:31:26 <tlp> I don't have the problem myself, I'm just speculating on how Palm can address it
Oct 07 15:31:42 <en0x> i resized my var
Oct 07 15:31:42 <en0x> ;D
Oct 07 15:32:23 <tlp> no doubt their future models will come with a better partition scheme and probably more storage space
Oct 07 15:33:46 <FreeTim> It it truly a space issue or a bad-development issue?   I've seen apps with miles of comments, repeating code, and unused HTML left in the app... it makes me wonder why consume 50k just to display a gps location?
Oct 07 15:34:01 <FreeTim> I still hope for javascript Half-Life, though.  :)   I'll keep dreaming
Oct 07 15:35:10 <tlp>  /dev/mapper? Are these virtual device nodes?
Oct 07 15:35:25 <en0x> /dev/mapper/store-media 4.9G     83.5M      4.9G   2% /media/internal
Oct 07 15:35:35 <en0x> /dev/mapper/store-var 2.0G    113.4M      1.9G   6% /var
Oct 07 15:35:35 <tlp> looks like I've still got 125M free on /var
Oct 07 15:35:36 <en0x> :>
Oct 07 15:35:38 <tlp> but I delete junk I don't use
Oct 07 15:36:03 * en0x rocks
Oct 07 15:48:40 <tlp> I wonder if dynamic compression would do the trick
Oct 07 15:48:53 <tlp> might kill the battery/performance
Oct 07 15:56:02 <tlp> ah, dynamically-resized partitions, now that's a cool idea.
Oct 07 15:57:57 <en0x> how the f... u can dinamically adjust a partition?!
Oct 07 15:58:25 <en0x> using lvm but still
Oct 07 15:58:28 <tlp> I don't know if it's possible. Maybe some LVM voodoo
Oct 07 15:58:29 <en0x> fat32 is not lvm
Oct 07 15:58:32 <tlp> yeah
Oct 07 15:58:38 <en0x> lvm can resize and stuff
Oct 07 15:58:41 <tlp>  /media/internal is the showstopper here, since it's a dumb partition
Oct 07 15:58:49 <en0x> but the hard thing is... what about fat32
Oct 07 15:59:13 <en0x> and the type of FS that pre is using which is ext3 can't be dynamically resized
Oct 07 15:59:16 <en0x> ;D
Oct 07 15:59:19 <en0x> so this idea is no go
Oct 07 15:59:19 <en0x> :p
Oct 07 15:59:20 <tlp> :/
Oct 07 15:59:41 <tlp> if /media/internal didn't have to be fat32, you could just dump /var and it on the same partition
Oct 07 16:00:18 <en0x> but if its not gonna be fat32 how u gonna mount it under windows?
Oct 07 16:01:55 <tlp> right
Oct 07 16:02:18 <tlp> maybe you can create a virtual fat32 partition that's really just a dumbed down ext3 partition
Oct 07 16:02:52 <tlp> I bet that could be done in FUSE
Oct 07 16:03:40 <en0x> right
Oct 07 16:05:30 <tlp> or a dynamically-expanding virtual harddrive image formatted as fat32?
Oct 07 16:07:13 <en0x> they could create a file that will be a FS and when you will connect your pre to pc and use it as usb drive the file would be mounted
Oct 07 16:07:16 <en0x> hmm
Oct 07 16:10:34 <nt4cats> I just found this on PreCentral: how to resize /var
Oct 07 16:10:36 <nt4cats> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/203595-webosdr-setting-partition-file-sizes-get-around-memory-limitation.html#post1901300
Oct 07 16:10:49 <en0x> well but u know the risk?
Oct 07 16:11:06 <en0x> u can still lose all the apps
Oct 07 16:14:44 <en0x> hmm
Oct 07 16:16:20 <MLJ> Any Preware gurus around?
Oct 07 16:16:57 <nt4cats> MLJ: what's your question?
Oct 07 16:17:19 * nt4cats notes that MLJ should not infer that I am calling myself a Preware guru ...
Oct 07 16:18:25 <nt4cats> MLJ: if you ask your question and someone knows the answer, they'll say so.
Oct 07 16:18:31 <MLJ> I just noticed they changed something with Precentral's themes... and my theme isn't shown for an update... not to mention its listed under applications all of a sudden and has the option to "run" even though its already installed (leading me to believe if any one runs it they will loose their backup copies)
Oct 07 16:19:02 <MLJ> s/loose/lose/
Oct 07 16:19:03 <infobot> MLJ meant: I just noticed they changed something with Precentral's themes... and my theme isn't shown for an update... not to mention its listed under applications all of a sudden and has the option to "run" even though its already installed (leading me to believe i...
Oct 07 16:24:25 <Rick_work> MLJ   Theming had to suffer MASSIVE changing for 1.2
Oct 07 16:24:37 <Rick_work> If you didn't update for 1.2  your theme had to be modified in anyevent
Oct 07 16:24:45 <Rick_work> are you not aware of  the changes?
Oct 07 16:24:55 <MLJ> Rick_work: I Created my theme post 1.2.1
Oct 07 16:24:59 <Rick_work> ok
Oct 07 16:25:23 <Rick_work> then what you're seeing is the updated function of the updates of the software
Oct 07 16:25:34 <Rick_work> are you seeing the update listed inPreware or in Qebos QI or Preload or what?
Oct 07 16:26:42 <MLJ> rick_work:1.. My theme used to be listed under themes in Preware... I just noticed today its under applications/themes/ and is already installed yet shows an option to run
Oct 07 16:27:13 <Rick_work> which theme  -- 'Let's get oil who wrote preware into the dicussion
Oct 07 16:28:04 <MLJ> Black-With-Texture... which used to be titled Simple Black Theme w/ Texture ... (that could have been my doing)
Oct 07 16:28:11 <oil> ?
Oct 07 16:28:38 <Rick_work> oil,   mlj wrote the black with texture theem
Oct 07 16:28:48 <oil> ok
Oct 07 16:28:52 <Rick_work> and it's showing for install in preware even tho he says he has not updated it.
Oct 07 16:28:55 <MLJ> I have a few issues / questions, First.. its installed and is listed under /applications/theme
Oct 07 16:29:22 <MLJ> Rick_work: No.... its not showing for an update... and I did update it. thats issue #2
Oct 07 16:29:45 <oil> updated by way of remove/install?
Oct 07 16:30:14 <oil> and wait, listed under applications?
Oct 07 16:30:31 <MLJ> I updated it on Precentral's gallery.. and it was approved by dieter about an hour ago, so it should have made its way into Preware by now.
Oct 07 16:31:03 <MLJ> oil yes, Lets  start fresh and take 1 issue at a time.... On Preware...
Oct 07 16:31:16 <egaudet> did it change names
Oct 07 16:31:40 <MLJ> If I click installed packages there is no section for theme... my installed theme is listed under applications/themes
Oct 07 16:31:57 <egaudet> what is your theme's name?
Oct 07 16:32:05 <oil> when you say applications/themes what do you mean?
Oct 07 16:32:06 <MLJ> Black with texture.
Oct 07 16:32:10 <oil> its actually listed like that
Oct 07 16:32:14 <oil> "applicatoins/themes"?
Oct 07 16:33:50 <MLJ> oil.. From may scene of preware click available applications  then scroll down to theme mine is listed there.
Oct 07 16:34:17 <MLJ> from installed applications clicking then clicking applications its listed at the bottom under the subtitle U
Oct 07 16:34:17 <oil> there shouldn't be any themes in the applications area
Oct 07 16:34:20 <MLJ> unknown
Oct 07 16:34:21 <oil> that doesn't make any sense
Oct 07 16:34:35 <MLJ> I'm aware thats why i came here :)
Oct 07 16:34:48 <oil> when you view your package and scroll to the bottom
Oct 07 16:35:01 <oil> whats the type and category?
Oct 07 16:35:36 <MLJ> Type: application, category Themes
Oct 07 16:36:07 <oil> sounds like the feed is messed up
Oct 07 16:36:19 <oil> when was the last time you updated?
Oct 07 16:36:56 <MLJ> I updated in precentral's gallery 11 hours ago... it was approved by dieter a little more than 1 hour ago.
Oct 07 16:37:08 <oil> thats not what i meant
Oct 07 16:37:18 <oil> from the main scene hit the app menu and update feeds
Oct 07 16:37:43 <egaudet> I do not see "Black with texture" in the precentral-themes feed
Oct 07 16:37:43 <egaudet> is that the title?
Oct 07 16:38:00 <MLJ> Its updating.. but I have it set to update every time I open preware.
Oct 07 16:38:12 <oil> i dont see it either
Oct 07 16:38:13 <nt4cats> http://www.precentral.net/webos-themes/simple-black-theme-w-texture
Oct 07 16:38:19 <MLJ> No thats what it is listed on my phone all of a sudden... It's always been Called Simple black theme w/ texture
Oct 07 16:39:15 <nt4cats> http://images.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/webos-themes/themezip/Black-with-texture-build-0.7.zip
Oct 07 16:39:38 <destinal> From  http://www.precentral.net/why-you-keep-running-out-space-apps   -- "First off, there is no numerical limit on how many apps you can install" .. " The problem comes with how Palm decided to protect applications from copying by end users, and that was to put them in a hidden partition that doesn’t show when you mount the Pre as a USB drive on your computer."
Oct 07 16:39:41 <oil> i dont see it in preware either
Oct 07 16:39:47 <destinal> hidden partition?
Oct 07 16:39:51 <destinal> protect apps?
Oct 07 16:39:56 <oil> no number?
Oct 07 16:39:59 <oil> i thought there was a number
Oct 07 16:40:26 <destinal> oil: not sure, I know that when /var is 90% full the palm service stops installing things
Oct 07 16:40:33 <oil> MLJ: is your theme just css changes?
Oct 07 16:40:37 <oil> or do you have images also?
Oct 07 16:40:42 <MLJ> oil, if I go to list everything (and type black) its the very last one.
Oct 07 16:40:49 <MLJ> No css changes.. only pngs
Oct 07 16:41:06 <oil> the last one in my list of everything is blackback
Oct 07 16:41:09 <oil> blackjack*
Oct 07 16:41:24 <destinal> oil: who's this derek kessler and why does he think putting something somewhere besides /media/internal is "hiding" ?
Oct 07 16:41:36 <oil> destinal: hes an end-user
Oct 07 16:41:43 <MLJ> Mine says: -Older: Blackjack -unknown: Black-with-texture
Oct 07 16:41:54 <oil> MLJ: i dont think your theme is in the feed
Oct 07 16:42:06 <nt4cats> destinal: it is "hiding" from the perspective of someone who only knows how to mount the Pre on their PC as a USB disk ...
Oct 07 16:42:10 <oil> i think its listed wrong because its getting no information and defaulting to the application type
Oct 07 16:42:32 <tlp> destinal: I suppose that it will keep Joe User from snooping around installed applications' code.
Oct 07 16:42:48 <oil> and if its not in the feed, and its listed on precentral, it may be a problem with rwhitbys script that parses the zip to ipks
Oct 07 16:43:25 <destinal> tlp: It wasn't intended to at all, /media/internal is a vfat fs designed for mounting and the rest is a typical linux system.  saying palm "hid" anything is disingenuous.
Oct 07 16:43:55 <tlp> I don't know if they had that in mind when they did it, but it seems like a nice side effect given how easy it is to modify applications written in HTML/JavaSCript.
Oct 07 16:44:18 <tlp> someone with notepad and very basic familiarity with web development could figure it out.
Oct 07 16:44:30 <destinal> tlp: that's like saying, having your engine under the hood of your car instead of in the passenger seat keeps people from modifying it too easily
Oct 07 16:44:54 <egaudet> i see it in the feed
Oct 07 16:44:56 <egaudet> v 0.7
Oct 07 16:45:00 <oil> you do?
Oct 07 16:45:13 <destinal> also that the engine is "hidden" under the hood
Oct 07 16:45:14 <destinal> :P
Oct 07 16:45:23 <MLJ> .7 is suppose to be the updated version... I don't see that in my preware.
Oct 07 16:45:29 <tlp> destinal: yeah, I suppose so, given that Palm makes it pretty easy for anyone to access the filesystem.
Oct 07 16:45:51 <oil> egaudet: i dont see it in: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral-themes/Packages
Oct 07 16:45:58 <egaudet> MLJ .7 < .61
Oct 07 16:46:03 <egaudet> you pushed an "older" version
Oct 07 16:46:22 <egaudet> either make it 1.x.x or 0.61.1 or 0.62.0 or higher
Oct 07 16:46:45 <egaudet> oil, simple_black
Oct 07 16:47:00 <egaudet> simple-black-theme ...
Oct 07 16:47:13 <MLJ> The version number I included is 0.7 .. that is less an 0.61?
Oct 07 16:47:21 <oil> yeah, i dont see it in the Packages file
Oct 07 16:47:30 <egaudet> oh
Oct 07 16:47:39 <egaudet> MLJ, 7 is less than 61 yes
Oct 07 16:47:40 <tlp> destinal: Concerning the application limit imposed by the size of the /var partition, what do you think about putting both /media/internal and /var on a ~6.7G (or whatever) ext3 filesystem with a virtual fat32 device node that can be mounted back to /media/internal?
Oct 07 16:47:45 <egaudet> seven, sixty one
Oct 07 16:48:24 <tlp> fat32 has to be dead simple to emulate in FUSE.
Oct 07 16:48:33 <MLJ> Oh, I see... (i'm an accountant not a computer programmer)... so the decimal is meaning less
Oct 07 16:49:20 <MLJ> Wow this takes me back to the good old days... when .70 is different than .7
Oct 07 16:49:23 <destinal> tlp: well, It's more the gadget driver that exports the disk as usb mass storage when it gets unmounted
Oct 07 16:49:24 <PuffTheMagic> why would you emulate fat32 in fuse when there is a vfat module?
Oct 07 16:49:24 <egaudet> it's not a decimal right
Oct 07 16:49:52 <destinal> tlp: currently it takes control of the entire partition
Oct 07 16:50:01 <egaudet> Its 3 numbers separated by dots :)
Oct 07 16:50:32 <destinal> which to make it look like a raw disk, it basically has to
Oct 07 16:50:46 <tlp> hmm
Oct 07 16:52:52 <MLJ> Ok, so I'll make the changes to the version number... Does the feed pull the version number from the .xml file? or from the gallery?
Oct 07 16:54:30 <egaudet> there are two different version numbers?
Oct 07 16:54:41 <egaudet> pretty sure it's from the xml though Ill check
Oct 07 16:55:15 <MLJ> No, theres a text box for the gallery.. and theres a tag for the .xml... Its my understanding that the naming convention comes from the gallery and not the .xml
Oct 07 16:55:56 <egaudet> you might be right
Oct 07 16:56:18 <tlp> PuffTheMagic: How else could you make an ext3 and fat32 partition share the same space? It would be virtual.
Oct 07 16:56:51 <PuffTheMagic> why would you want something like that
Oct 07 16:57:00 <MLJ> egaudet: I should say it *was* my understanding... as my theme was always called simple black w texture (in preware) however the version I have on my phone currently is only called 'black w texture'
Oct 07 16:57:35 <tlp> PuffTheMagic: So you can share the total space available for the end user with applications. That way you don't hit limits imposed by arbitrarily-sized partitions.
Oct 07 16:57:45 <PuffTheMagic> i'd say remove mount as disk support and add a export on cifs/nfs
Oct 07 16:58:03 <egaudet> MLJ the package name i think is directly taken from the zip file name
Oct 07 16:58:13 <tlp> that's not a solution Palm could implement though
Oct 07 16:58:51 <MLJ> egaudet: that would make sense as well.
Oct 07 17:00:40 <PuffTheMagic> tlp: palm isnt gonna implent a vfs either
Oct 07 17:01:11 <tlp> I don't know what else they could do, other than putting all applications on the fat32 partition.
Oct 07 17:01:45 <MLJ> egaudet / oil : so did my version mix up cause the theme to be placed in applications / themes?
Oct 07 17:04:25 <egaudet> MLJ, I will look at that issue now
Oct 07 17:04:39 <egaudet> can you get command line access?
Oct 07 17:04:44 <egaudet> terminal app or novaterm
Oct 07 17:04:49 <egaudet> or ssh
Oct 07 17:04:49 <MLJ> yep
Oct 07 17:04:55 <egaudet> ipkg -o /var list_installed
Oct 07 17:05:00 <egaudet> and tell me version you have installed for your theme
Oct 07 17:05:01 <oil> it was under applications because it got that type by default
Oct 07 17:05:08 <oil> because it wasnt in the feed that preware got
Oct 07 17:05:13 <oil> so it had no clue wtf to do with it
Oct 07 17:05:34 <oil> it probably didnt have an icon either
Oct 07 17:05:36 <oil> or a description
Oct 07 17:05:47 <oil> it didnt have a date (hence being at the bottom under unknown when you searched)
Oct 07 17:05:53 <oil> it wasn't in the feed
Oct 07 17:06:10 <egaudet> oil why does the feed matter with an installed ipk?
Oct 07 17:06:15 <egaudet> shouldn't it get everything from control
Oct 07 17:06:20 <oil> thats where it gets the extended information
Oct 07 17:06:24 <oil> the stuff in the source object
Oct 07 17:06:27 <oil> is not in the control file
Oct 07 17:07:07 <egaudet> tis lies!
Oct 07 17:07:27 <oil> unless you can find it
Oct 07 17:07:29 <oil> i never have
Oct 07 17:07:52 <oil> brb shower
Oct 07 17:07:53 <MLJ> egaudet: net.precentral.themes.simple-black-theme-w-texture - 0.61 - Black-With-Texture
Oct 07 17:09:43 <egaudet> ok so as oil just let me know, the extended information for the type and all that is in the feed
Oct 07 17:09:50 <egaudet> your theme isn't in the feed Pacakges file right now
Oct 07 17:09:54 <egaudet> I'm building to see why
Oct 07 17:10:21 <egaudet> but I suggest you upload a new one with version bump anyhow
Oct 07 17:10:39 <MLJ> The feed packages file.. is what is produced from precentrals gallery via rods script? version bump done.
Oct 07 17:10:56 <egaudet> yea
Oct 07 17:12:13 <MLJ> FYI it says its in feed: unknown
Oct 07 17:13:20 <egaudet> the precentral themes xml says your theme version is .04
Oct 07 17:13:56 <egaudet> err maybe i have an outdated xml
Oct 07 17:13:57 <egaudet> rebuilding
Oct 07 17:14:10 <MLJ> That should be about a week outdated.
Oct 07 17:18:33 <egaudet> MLJ update your feeds, it should be in there now
Oct 07 17:18:34 <egaudet> I see it
Oct 07 17:18:39 <egaudet> in the feed
Oct 07 17:20:48 <MLJ> Ok thats better... I'm still concerned if anyone else has the theme installed ... and every clicks "Launch" as I can only assume that will replace their backups with my theme
Oct 07 17:21:48 <MLJ> egaudet: Actually thats not an option any more.. now that the feed matches the gallery.
Oct 07 17:21:54 <MLJ> all is good :)
Oct 07 17:22:49 <egaudet> launch doesn't do anything anyway
Oct 07 17:23:03 <egaudet> it's not an "app" so even with launch option it can't do anything
Oct 07 17:24:07 <MLJ> Did you manually change the version number? it appears to still need moderator review (through precentral)...
Oct 07 17:24:09 <MLJ> Good to know.
Oct 07 17:24:18 <egaudet> I didn't do anything
Oct 07 17:24:19 <egaudet> but chat
Oct 07 17:24:21 <egaudet> with you
Oct 07 17:24:28 <egaudet> and look on the feed via the web
Oct 07 17:24:36 <MLJ> Alrighty... Thx for the chat :)
Oct 07 17:24:46 <egaudet> so if it needs moderator review, it's already up
Oct 07 17:25:01 <egaudet> so the review isn't stopping anything if that's what you are concerned about
Oct 07 17:26:12 <MLJ> No concerns.. This is how I thought it worked... I uploaded a .zip to the the gallery... dieter approves it (that pushes the update to the gallery)... then over sometime rod's script turns it into an ipk... which makes it available via preware? where did I go wrong in my logic?
Oct 07 17:27:59 <egaudet> I only know the part from gallery forward
Oct 07 17:28:16 <Mousey> mornin
Oct 07 17:28:28 <egaudet> So are you are saying Deiter didn't approve it yet?
Oct 07 17:29:23 <egaudet> but yea once it's in the gallery it should be built into an ipk and in the feed within 15 minutes
Oct 07 17:29:25 <MLJ> Correct... well thats what the 'internal theme listing' says.. I'd imagine its pretty similar to how up upload apps.
Oct 07 17:29:45 <egaudet> So since it is in the feed that means we got it from the gallery
Oct 07 17:30:05 <egaudet> so if you think it shouldn't be in the gallery yet, you'd have to talk with Deiter or someoen at pc
Oct 07 17:30:18 <AnOutsider> afternoon
Oct 07 17:30:57 <MLJ> weird... but I have no concern to check up on it.
Oct 07 17:31:11 <egaudet> k
Oct 07 17:31:27 <egaudet> hello AnOutsider
Oct 07 17:31:33 <AnOutsider> sup eman
Oct 07 17:36:41 <AnOutsider_> blue screned again :(
Oct 07 17:38:49 <Mousey> windows?
Oct 07 17:39:13 <AnOutsider_> Windows 7
Oct 07 17:39:26 <AnOutsider_> no issues on 6 computers ive installed it on. This computer... sigh
Oct 07 17:39:51 <Mousey> try ubuntu! maybe it's the hardware, a proper dmesg will pinpoint the problem for you =)
Oct 07 17:39:58 <oil> now that its in the feed
Oct 07 17:40:03 <oil> gah
Oct 07 17:40:06 <AnOutsider_> I'll pass on linux :)
Oct 07 17:40:08 <oil> i was looking at old messages
Oct 07 17:40:12 <oil> disregard
Oct 07 17:40:17 <Mousey> i hear winmo 6.5 just came out =)
Oct 07 17:40:18 <egaudet> I never reboot my linux box and never get a blue screen
Oct 07 17:40:29 <egaudet> and never have issues
Oct 07 17:40:36 <egaudet> :P
Oct 07 17:40:45 <AnOutsider_> lol great for you, but I'll pass
Oct 07 17:40:46 <Mousey> egaudet: i want you're fu. i've been linuxing for over a decade, and always have issues!
Oct 07 17:41:08 <Mousey> AnOutsider: i'm not saying INSTALL linux, just use a livecd for a test. sheesh. you'd think i was paid to say it
Oct 07 17:41:16 <egaudet> lol
Oct 07 17:41:39 <egaudet> Ballmer said linux is the devil!
Oct 07 17:41:50 <AnOutsider_> Iv'e been using computers for yeeeears
Oct 07 17:41:59 <AnOutsider_> already been down the route with multiple OS's (including mac)
Oct 07 17:42:04 <AnOutsider_> I'm most productive here on windows
Oct 07 17:42:23 <Mousey> windows is childsplay. its no surprise
Oct 07 17:42:58 * jtee dual boots and uses wine and/or crossover office because certain things just don't work in anything but windows
Oct 07 17:43:09 * Mousey hopes he didn't offend! =O
Oct 07 17:43:20 <jtee> i have weather radar software that need to be run in native windows
Oct 07 17:43:24 <jtee> np here
Oct 07 17:43:36 <jtee> I run Linux when possible (like now)
Oct 07 17:43:36 <nt4cats> I just flipped back to this window and have no idea what Mousey may have said, but I am offended anyway.
Oct 07 17:43:43 <jtee> hehe
Oct 07 17:43:51 <Mousey> says NT4cats
Oct 07 17:43:55 <Mousey> ^_^
Oct 07 17:44:14 * Mousey doesn't worry about offending cats, it's his nature
Oct 07 17:46:16 * Mousey goes away to think about his actions
Oct 07 17:46:16 <navinag> Hey guys...I have a patch request/modification.. --> Can someone modify minimum brightness to be default brightness  when charging..or somehow have two settings....charging/not charging brightness?
Oct 07 17:46:28 <jcrawford> windows sucks
Oct 07 17:46:35 <egaudet> windows is terrible!
Oct 07 17:46:37 <jcrawford> my new job requires i use vista bleh
Oct 07 17:46:43 <egaudet> that's even worse
Oct 07 17:46:47 <egaudet> vista too
Oct 07 17:46:50 <jcrawford> jokingly told them to give me a mac or linux box :D
Oct 07 17:47:23 <egaudet> navinag, I don't get the request?
Oct 07 17:47:31 <egaudet> what functionality are you looking for
Oct 07 17:47:52 <navinag> Well..to save battery...I use a very low setting when I am out and about....
Oct 07 17:48:13 <navinag> when I plug in ....I would like it to automatically increase the brightness
Oct 07 17:48:13 <nt4cats> egad: (using made up numbers) -- he wants the brightness of his screen to be 34 when it is plugged in, but only be 14 when it is on battery
Oct 07 17:48:21 <navinag> yes
Oct 07 17:49:20 <egaudet> ahh I can see how that would be useful if you use it a lot on battery.
Oct 07 17:49:28 <nt4cats> (assuming that 34 is 'brighter' than 14)
Oct 07 17:49:42 <navinag> yes
Oct 07 17:49:54 <navinag> How difficult would that be.
Oct 07 17:50:29 <navinag> Couldn't  the setting be changed on the charging notification
Oct 07 17:51:00 <navinag> That way noting would have to be run in the dashboard and vice versa
Oct 07 17:51:17 <egaudet> doesnt sound extremely difficult, I personally probably won't have a chance to look into it anytime soon, but maybe someone around will
Oct 07 17:52:09 <navinag> the would be great if someone did...
Oct 07 17:53:38 <egaudet> sounds like it would be a patch done similar to the messaging tones app, add a brightness option for charging and change charging app/scene to use switch
Oct 07 18:01:38 <AnOutsider> hmm
Oct 07 18:02:01 <AnOutsider> let's see how long this lasts
Oct 07 18:02:05 <nt4cats> navinag: I added your idea to the "Development / Tweak ideas" on webos-internals.org
Oct 07 18:04:48 <chrisa> I can't believe I see comments claiming lvm isn't used
Oct 07 18:05:00 <bpadalino|work> believe it
Oct 07 18:06:16 <AnOutsider> lol still arguing over OS's?
Oct 07 18:06:24 <jcrawford> Windows blows
Oct 07 18:06:27 <jcrawford> that's my argument :D
Oct 07 18:06:30 <AnOutsider> One thing about windows users, you'll never see them trying to convert people to other systems
Oct 07 18:06:38 <nt4cats> if it doesn't run OS/2, I'm not interested
Oct 07 18:06:56 <AnOutsider> linux and Apple advocates are liek the jehovah's itnesses attacking you while you're trying to shop or eat dinner
Oct 07 18:06:58 <jcrawford> funny i am logged in as the Admin for the machine yet you still cannot alter/save the c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts file
Oct 07 18:07:07 <jcrawford> had to copy it to the desktop, alter then copy back in place
Oct 07 18:07:35 <nt4cats> jcrawford: just because you're logged in as admin on a vista box your apps don't run with admin priv's
Oct 07 18:07:47 <jcrawford> AnOutsider that's because even windows users know their os sucks and don't want to drag anymore people down with them :D
Oct 07 18:07:48 <nt4cats> ... so your editor is probably running in normal-user mode
Oct 07 18:08:01 <jcrawford> nt4cats see that's dumb :)
Oct 07 18:08:09 <jcrawford> if i am admin i should be able to do anything
Oct 07 18:08:12 <sugardave> nt4cats: OS/2 ftw
Oct 07 18:08:14 <nt4cats> jc: that's why I don't run windows
Oct 07 18:08:26 <jcrawford> that's like saying you are logged in as the root user but try to vim that file and you are going to be turned away
Oct 07 18:08:43 <AnOutsider> or, they're happy where they are. If someoen is happy with what they use, why the need to "convert" others and/or put down what others use?
Oct 07 18:08:53 <jcrawford> i am a mac user but have used fedora as a desktop @ work prior to this position
Oct 07 18:09:04 <AnOutsider> I never understood that... sounds more like a psychological issue.. some sort of complex ;)
Oct 07 18:09:07 <nt4cats> jc: if you want to run an editor with admin priv's right click on the icon and there will be an option that says something like "run in privileged mode"
Oct 07 18:09:28 <jcrawford> ok thanks for the tip nt4cats, but the question is why should i have to do that :D
Oct 07 18:09:32 <egaudet> AnOutsider, it's because we have to support our family members with Windows issues
Oct 07 18:09:36 <egaudet> and get fed up :P
Oct 07 18:10:04 <nt4cats> jc: because they assume that windows users are idiots and want apps to run in normal-user mode by default
Oct 07 18:10:35 <jcrawford> nt4cats thanks for confirming they think windows users are idiots :D
Oct 07 18:10:40 <AnOutsider> lol yeah, because getting a novice to us eubuntu is gonna solve that problem
Oct 07 18:11:22 <AnOutsider> in that case, the best thing to get them on is a Mac. Less chance they'll screw soemthing up
Oct 07 18:11:38 <egaudet> my parents can use ubuntu
Oct 07 18:11:43 <egaudet> and that's saying a lot
Oct 07 18:12:04 <egaudet> because my parents can't use a tv remote control properly
Oct 07 18:12:47 <tlp> My mom has been using Ubuntu for two or three years
Oct 07 18:13:28 <PuffTheMagic> damn turbo tax is keeping my mom from using Linux
Oct 07 18:13:36 <PuffTheMagic> and some coupon printer for firefox
Oct 07 18:13:39 <tlp> lol
Oct 07 18:14:12 <PuffTheMagic> got ubuntu on my dads lappy though
Oct 07 18:14:15 <egaudet> oh yea stupid old dell printer keeps dual booting windows a must on my parents computer :(
Oct 07 18:14:21 <tlp> The only thing that annoys me about Linux is that I've got this ridiculously powerful video card that is basically useless because most of the games I'd play don't work.
Oct 07 18:14:27 <jcrawford> lol egaudet
Oct 07 18:14:51 <PuffTheMagic> tlp: throw away that nvidia and join the OSS goodness of amd+radeon :D
Oct 07 18:14:59 <tlp> I've got both
Oct 07 18:15:03 <egaudet> and an old linksys usb wireless adapter... oh the horrors
Oct 07 18:15:04 <tlp> Radeon onboard
Oct 07 18:15:08 <jcrawford> egaudet spend $100 buy them a new printer :D
Oct 07 18:15:13 <bpadalino|work> i hope AMD survives
Oct 07 18:15:13 <PuffTheMagic> no
Oct 07 18:15:18 <PuffTheMagic> dont spend money on a printer
Oct 07 18:15:19 <bpadalino|work> they're not doing too well
Oct 07 18:15:21 <PuffTheMagic> they have free printers
Oct 07 18:15:23 <tlp> but really, even though nVidia provides a binary blob, it's still the best graphics driver Linux has at the moment.
Oct 07 18:15:24 <PuffTheMagic> like every week
Oct 07 18:15:34 <PuffTheMagic> tlp: naaaa
Oct 07 18:15:51 <tlp> you can hardly run anything under Wine with the radeon drivers, because they don't implement GLSL
Oct 07 18:16:03 <PuffTheMagic> tlp: i can play Civ4 on my radeon driver
Oct 07 18:16:08 <PuffTheMagic> which is the only game i play on PC now
Oct 07 18:16:11 <PuffTheMagic> since i have ps3
Oct 07 18:16:16 <PuffTheMagic> and console gamming is so much better
Oct 07 18:16:22 <tlp> that's a nice workaround, but it's really not a solution for me :p
Oct 07 18:16:30 <PuffTheMagic> workaround
Oct 07 18:16:54 <PuffTheMagic> if I could pass a blunt though the internet i'd still play PC games ;)
Oct 07 18:16:58 <egaudet> speaking of console gaming, whatt about evo
Oct 07 18:27:24 <AnOutsider> ah
Oct 07 18:27:29 <AnOutsider> feels so good to solve a server issue
Oct 07 18:27:32 <AnOutsider> no matte rhow dumb it was
Oct 07 18:28:36 * Mousey defends Preware and the OSS community in other #channels
Oct 07 18:29:01 <AnOutsider> haha
Oct 07 18:29:04 * AnOutsider joins the other channels
Oct 07 18:29:14 <PuffTheMagic> Mousey: what other channles are there that care?
Oct 07 18:29:50 <Mousey> currently #icculus.org, mostly game devs, discussing the jwz debacle.. its just so lame that they don't bother to dig deeper than this one guy's complaints..
Oct 07 18:30:04 <Mousey> (even though it is jwz)
Oct 07 18:34:15 <Rick_work> they're DEFENDING HIM!?!??!?!?!?
Oct 07 18:34:19 <Mousey> no
Oct 07 18:34:23 <Mousey> just dissing palm
Oct 07 18:34:27 <oil> lol
Oct 07 18:34:33 <Mousey> without actually knowing anything about the community
Oct 07 18:34:38 <Mousey> which is odd for a bunch of OSS devs
Oct 07 18:34:49 <Rick_work> but but but...  Palm has announced that their going to do it UTTERLY RIGHT -- they just haven't had time to fix it yet.
Oct 07 18:34:50 <Rick_work> Jeeez
Oct 07 18:35:15 <Mousey> nothing hijacks a conversation about the Pre like pasting the output from `uname -a` into channel tho
Oct 07 18:35:52 <Rick_work> huh?
Oct 07 18:36:14 <Mousey> uname -a, it's teh awesome
Oct 07 18:36:32 <Rick_work> what's it do?
Oct 07 18:37:14 <PuffTheMagic> why is a jwz on some pedestal
Oct 07 18:37:43 <tlp> I like this Slashdot comment on the whole webOS app thing: http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1394585&cid=29660757
Oct 07 18:38:47 <tlp> you're never gonna make everyone happy.
Oct 07 18:40:11 <gkatsev> tlp: lol
Oct 07 18:41:40 <oil> PuffTheMagic: because he is being very vocal about being a horses ass?
Oct 07 18:42:02 <PuffTheMagic> yeah but who is he... to any one
Oct 07 18:42:13 <PuffTheMagic> is the Linus of webos/palmpre?
Oct 07 18:42:45 <egaudet> why you dissing Linuz
Oct 07 18:42:49 <egaudet> Linus
Oct 07 18:43:24 <Mousey> thats funny, 'jackass' is indeed the term i hear flying around
Oct 07 18:44:30 <gkatsev> http://rlv.zcache.com/i_dont_give_a_rats_ass_sticker-p217392706926905645qjcl_400.jpg
Oct 07 18:46:11 <tlp> PuffTheMagic: He's famous for his involvement with open source/Netscape or something.
Oct 07 18:46:46 <Mousey> he's been an open source hacker since before the term was coined
Oct 07 18:46:51 <gkatsev> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski
Oct 07 18:47:04 <Mousey> its not like he's nobody. but i think senility might be kicking in
Oct 07 18:47:42 <Mousey> i don't understand what he thinks he'll gain by hijacking discourse about Palm so much
Oct 07 18:47:51 <gkatsev> he also owns DNA lounge atm
Oct 07 18:47:53 <PuffTheMagic> i want a wiki page about me some day
Oct 07 18:47:58 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 07 18:48:01 * Mousey starts one
Oct 07 18:48:33 <gkatsev> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PuffTheMagic ?
Oct 07 18:48:50 <PuffTheMagic> lol no please!
Oct 07 18:48:55 <PuffTheMagic> that was a joke
Oct 07 18:49:05 <gkatsev> PuffTheMagic (born Month date, XXXX) commonly known as PuffTheMagic
Oct 07 18:49:06 <gkatsev> lol
Oct 07 18:49:12 <gkatsev> i didnt create one
Oct 07 18:49:27 <tlp> lol
Oct 07 18:49:30 <oil> dont forget his other nicks
Oct 07 18:49:44 <gkatsev> lol, if you search for "puffthemagic" on wiki, it asks if you meant plythematic
Oct 07 18:49:52 <gkatsev> s/ply/poly/
Oct 07 18:49:53 <infobot> gkatsev meant: lol, if you search for "puffthemagic" on wiki, it asks if you meant polythematic
Oct 07 18:50:03 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Oct 07 18:50:52 <gkatsev> he forked gnu emacs
Oct 07 18:51:05 <FreeTim> lover of both Treo and Pre.  see also Polyamourous (n;) , Polygamy (n) , Big Love (television.)
Oct 07 19:00:49 * Rick_work has a wikipedia page for my other community.
Oct 07 19:01:38 <Mousey> who remembers the qualcomm pdq?
Oct 07 19:01:51 * Mousey still has one
Oct 07 19:02:12 <Mousey> so does AfterShock
Oct 07 19:29:32 <en0x> hmm
Oct 07 19:29:40 <en0x> http://store.precentral.net/igrip-custom-fit-flexible-mount/3A78A5971.htm or http://store.precentral.net/igrip-custom-fit-vent-mount/3A78A5972.htm
Oct 07 19:29:44 <en0x> anyone has any of those?
Oct 07 19:30:26 <nt4cats> I have a vent mount for my xmradio, I have mixed feelings about it
Oct 07 19:30:50 <nt4cats> I very much like that it is not permanent, and my car has no flat surfaces to set the radio on.
Oct 07 19:31:21 <nt4cats> It does block a vent, which does effect how quickly the car gets warm/cold -- and in the winter you're blowing HOT air onto your electronics
Oct 07 19:31:52 <en0x> yap
Oct 07 19:31:56 <egaudet> that flexible windshield one looks nice, i might get one
Oct 07 19:31:57 <nt4cats> a suction mount for the xm radio isn't the best solution because of the wires it requires (power + antenna + audio)
Oct 07 19:31:58 <en0x> i will get the windshield mount
Oct 07 19:32:38 <nt4cats> you don't need all of those wires going to your Pre (except for power, and if you have audio, the wire goes from the Pre to your head, not to your radio)
Oct 07 19:33:56 <oil> isn't it illegal to wear headphones while driving?
Oct 07 19:34:11 <oil> my radio has an aux headphones jack coming out of hte back
Oct 07 19:34:11 <nt4cats> oil: not in my state if it only goes in one ear
Oct 07 19:34:15 <oil> i plug that in to my pre
Oct 07 19:34:22 <oil> so, its not always to your head
Oct 07 19:34:25 <en0x>  Thank you for placing an order with the PreCentral Store!
Oct 07 19:34:31 * en0x does a happy dance
Oct 07 19:34:39 <nt4cats> oil: you can't have headphones in both ears while driving
Oct 07 19:34:55 <oil> i dont
Oct 07 19:35:00 <oil> i didn't think it was legal
Oct 07 19:35:11 <oil> the wire goes from my pre to my radio
Oct 07 19:35:35 <nt4cats> oil: ... but a standard non-bluetooth cell phone "hands free" is fine (has a single ear bud)
Oct 07 19:35:58 <oil> im not disputing that...
Oct 07 19:42:49 <nt4cats> Hmmm ... PreWare says that an update is available for my "add / delete pages in launcher" patch, but when I click on it to update the only choice it gives me is 'remove'.  While I guess it makes sense that it can't be upgraded in-place (has to be removed and then re-applied), the UI treatment for this is strange
Oct 07 19:43:17 <oil> we're going to add an update option that does remove/delete for you
Oct 07 19:43:24 <oil> but you will have to ok the script dialog twice
Oct 07 19:44:00 <StormD> who was it that helped me last night by hosting the mvapp on his web site?
Oct 07 19:44:15 <StormD> someone with a +
Oct 07 19:44:20 <oil> PuffTheMagic?
Oct 07 19:44:28 <StormD> started with f and had numbers
Oct 07 19:44:28 <PuffTheMagic> what?
Oct 07 19:44:41 <nt4cats> oil: the reason I haven't hit 'remove' is because I spent 10 minutes moving the icons around to new pages.  Do you know if I'll have to re-layout my icons after removing the old patch and applying the new (I assume I will have to)
Oct 07 19:45:02 <en0x> nt4cats: i dont think so
Oct 07 19:45:06 <oil> the add-delete pages only effects the ability to do so
Oct 07 19:45:10 <oil> not pages you've added or deleted
Oct 07 19:45:13 <oil> (to my knowledge)
Oct 07 19:45:14 <PuffTheMagic> oil: yeah?
Oct 07 19:45:20 <nt4cats> oil/en0x: sweet
Oct 07 19:45:30 <oil> PuffTheMagic i thought StormD was talking about you
Oct 07 19:45:35 <PuffTheMagic> oh
Oct 07 19:45:40 <nt4cats> oil/en0x: ... if you think it *may* work, that's good enough for me.  I'll try it and let you know.
Oct 07 19:46:04 <StormD> no, it was someone who's name started with f and ended in numbers...
Oct 07 19:46:15 <StormD> flame896 or something,
Oct 07 19:46:58 <nt4cats> oil/en0x: my layout changes stayed intact, thanks
Oct 07 19:47:19 <egaudet> oil why will update have to confirm twice?
Oct 07 19:47:51 <oil> because it will do a remove action
Oct 07 19:47:54 <nt4cats> egad: I just had to click confirm for the remove step and then confirm for the add step
Oct 07 19:47:54 <oil> which will run prerem
Oct 07 19:47:57 <oil> then an installation
Oct 07 19:48:00 <oil> which will run postinst
Oct 07 19:48:11 <oil> each will pop up the script action
Oct 07 19:48:23 <egaudet> oil I don't like that
Oct 07 19:48:29 <egaudet> 1 confirm per user action
Oct 07 19:48:36 <egaudet> update is 1 user action
Oct 07 19:48:42 <oil> well
Oct 07 19:48:45 <oil> thats not how it will be
Oct 07 19:48:45 <oil> lol
Oct 07 19:48:48 <oil> i dont know what to say
Oct 07 19:48:49 <oil> it would be nice
Oct 07 19:48:54 <oil> but if its doing a remove then install
Oct 07 19:48:56 <oil> its 2 actions
Oct 07 19:49:09 <oil> once i get dependencies working
Oct 07 19:49:16 <oil> you may have to ok multiple dialogs
Oct 07 19:49:21 <oil> depending on what it depends on
Oct 07 19:49:39 <egaudet> it doesn't need to be 2 actions
Oct 07 19:49:44 <egaudet> you are making it be 2 actions
Oct 07 19:49:50 <oil> thats how preware looks at it
Oct 07 19:50:04 <oil> the service is what calls up the dialog
Oct 07 19:50:05 <oil> not preware
Oct 07 19:50:20 <egaudet> right, so a "workaround" at the preware level is the wrong solution
Oct 07 19:50:38 <oil> the service doesn't even have an update option
Oct 07 19:50:48 <egaudet> we can separate interface decisions from implementation
Oct 07 19:50:48 <oil> an right now is basically an install over the top
Oct 07 19:51:00 <egaudet> design the interface and THEN look at the implementation
Oct 07 19:51:13 <oil> thats how it mostly has been
Oct 07 19:51:21 <oil> preware was mostly designed before i ever touched javascript
Oct 07 19:51:31 <egaudet> we can add an "advanced_update" option to service
Oct 07 19:52:22 <egaudet> from a user's perspective it makes no sense
Oct 07 19:52:34 <egaudet> what's the point of an update option that prompts for remove and prompts for install
Oct 07 19:52:37 <oil> so it would mash both scripts together for the confirmation
Oct 07 19:52:47 <egaudet> yea
Oct 07 19:52:47 <oil> egaudet: preware wouldnt prompt twice
Oct 07 19:52:51 <oil> but the script confirmation would
Oct 07 19:52:54 <egaudet> i'm not talking about preware
Oct 07 19:53:01 <egaudet> i'm talking about the user experience
Oct 07 19:53:06 <oil> right
Oct 07 19:53:08 <egaudet> they don't know/care what is done by preware or the service
Oct 07 19:53:28 <egaudet> they will see "update" and then remove-prompt, install-prompt and be like wtf is the point of update
Oct 07 19:53:28 <oil> when it was first said it should be remove then install for updates to patches/themes
Oct 07 19:53:42 <oil> and i brought up the 2 scripts
Oct 07 19:53:46 <oil> rod was ok with it
Oct 07 19:53:54 <oil> the problem is
Oct 07 19:53:57 <oil> people get to it
Oct 07 19:53:58 <oil> see the update
Oct 07 19:54:01 <oil> but only have the remove option
Oct 07 19:54:07 <oil> because they can't put 2 and 2 together
Oct 07 19:54:10 <StormD> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Solution_to_App_Catalog_Installation_Limit <-- can this script be hosted in a more directly downloadable form on webosinternals.org and this page be edited with instructions to download the script OTA with the Terminal app?
Oct 07 19:54:35 <oil> "it says i got an update, but it will only let me remove"
Oct 07 19:54:43 <StormD> That's a much more accessible method for most users who don't/won't have novaterm, I think.
Oct 07 19:54:46 <oil> they don't make the connection to remove then install
Oct 07 19:54:51 * nt4cats is wondering why oil just called him 'it'
Oct 07 19:54:52 <egaudet> I say if it's gonna be done do it right
Oct 07 19:54:57 <Mousey> tldr
Oct 07 19:55:13 <nt4cats> ;)
Oct 07 19:55:17 <egaudet> I know the issue with some users and I know there will be just as many that get frustrated/complain over the 2 prompts
Oct 07 19:55:21 <oil> nt4cats i called preware it
Oct 07 19:55:43 <egaudet> It's like the same amount of users who don't read descriptions, read descriptions EXACTLY
Oct 07 19:55:49 <oil> lol
Oct 07 19:55:54 <oil> you saw my preware thread post i take it?
Oct 07 19:55:57 <oil> lol
Oct 07 19:56:03 <egaudet> i.e. the keyboard description says "1.2.0" so people don't install it from 1.2.1 because they don't think it works
Oct 07 19:56:06 <nt4cats> oil: I was just being silly (and I did just say the same phrase in this channel a few minutes ago)
Oct 07 19:56:11 <egaudet> oil, which one?
Oct 07 19:56:16 <egaudet> oh yea the descriptions one lol
Oct 07 19:56:19 <oil> egaudet: it makes sense to me also to be in the service and only prompt once
Oct 07 19:56:28 <oil> but i dont know java, so i can't go make that change
Oct 07 19:57:00 <oil> nt4cats: this isn't specifically about you
Oct 07 19:57:15 <oil> you just happened to be the most recent to bring up the lack of an update option
Oct 07 19:57:18 <oil> to start the conversation again
Oct 07 19:57:20 <egaudet> we got plenty of people that can make that change :p  I'm sure Rod won't disagree with it
Oct 07 19:57:37 <oil> well i agree that it should be in the service
Oct 07 19:57:49 <oil> so, whoever wants to put er in, ill implement it in preware
Oct 07 19:57:50 <Decimation> oil: isnt 0.9.3 out... according to my preware it isnt?
Oct 07 19:58:05 <oil> Decimation its in the test feed
Oct 07 19:58:12 <Decimation> ahh
Oct 07 19:58:12 <oil> and requires package manager 096
Oct 07 19:58:16 <Decimation> i just check the git
Oct 07 19:58:34 <Decimation> kk, ill update both
Oct 07 19:58:45 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=summary
Oct 07 19:58:49 <oil> it says 093 right there
Oct 07 19:59:44 <Decimation> yeah
Oct 07 19:59:51 <Decimation> was wondering why preware didnt say it was updated
Oct 07 20:00:53 <Decimation> i think ill just add the testing feed to a .conf file
Oct 07 20:01:00 <oil> lol
Oct 07 20:02:28 <Mousey> there's a TEST feed??!?!
Oct 07 20:02:37 <Mousey> you people are holding out on me!
Oct 07 20:02:44 <Decimation> wow
Oct 07 20:02:46 <oil> its not hidden or anything
Oct 07 20:02:48 <oil> its just not default
Oct 07 20:03:02 <Mousey> oh
Oct 07 20:03:04 <Decimation> the Quick System Tasks Beta app's notification area view is beast.
Oct 07 20:03:35 <oil> JayCanuck: hows it goin?
Oct 07 20:04:04 <JayCanuck> oil: pretty good, just got home from human-computer interaction class
Oct 07 20:05:30 <oil> that back and forth on page 57 of the quick install thread gave me some lols
Oct 07 20:11:08 <JayCanuck> lol, yea that was a bit much
Oct 07 20:11:20 <jtee> so... spent some time reading up on the partition situation on the pre
Oct 07 20:12:07 <jtee> rwhitby: you indicated that Palm suggested that resizing /var might end up causing problems?
Oct 07 20:12:25 <oil> jtee: rwhitby is asleep im pretty sure
Oct 07 20:12:49 <jtee> ahhh true
Oct 07 20:12:58 <jtee> it being quite early in oz
Oct 07 20:13:17 <oil> my day has been all screwed up
Oct 07 20:13:25 <oil> due to laying down for a nap at like 6pm yesterday
Oct 07 20:13:31 <oil> and sleeping till 3am
Oct 07 20:13:35 <oil> and being wide awake since
Oct 07 20:13:43 <jtee> so... anyone else know what palm was saying?  "There is also the warning from Palm that resizing var may interfere with future updates."
Oct 07 20:13:56 <oil> when did palm say that?
Oct 07 20:14:33 <jtee> dunno... it's on the webos-internals page on "Solution to App Catalog Installation Limit"
Oct 07 20:15:04 <jtee> in the "Benefits over other methods"
Oct 07 20:15:20 <JayCanuck> jtee: I was told by Chuq that he was told resizing the partition would probably cause issue with future updates
Oct 07 20:15:34 <jtee> phoeey
Oct 07 20:15:42 <jtee> or maybe better - drat
Oct 07 20:15:55 <egaudet> but we always have the doctor
Oct 07 20:16:43 <JayCanuck> and I'm sure Palm is aware of the issue, just probably tryin to figure out the best way to handle the situation given they advertize 7.xGB user space
Oct 07 20:17:10 <oil> without putting apps in the usb partition
Oct 07 20:17:12 <Abyssul> Hey guys
Oct 07 20:17:49 <JayCanuck> hi Abyssul
Oct 07 20:17:59 <JayCanuck> anyone know i the Dr's been updated yet?
Oct 07 20:18:13 <oil> for 121?
Oct 07 20:18:15 * oil doesnt
Oct 07 20:18:41 <AnOutsider> oil if you're here, I have a small request
Oct 07 20:18:42 <jtee> the 'usb partition' is /media/internal?
Oct 07 20:18:47 <oil> aye?
Oct 07 20:18:53 * jtee checks his pre
Oct 07 20:19:02 <AnOutsider> in preware, when someone clicks on the author's name and they're allowed to email, can you put a default subject like "Re: Left 4 dead Theme"
Oct 07 20:19:10 <oil> uhhh
Oct 07 20:19:12 <oil> probably
Oct 07 20:19:15 <Abyssul> Would someone mind testing my theme on Preware?
Oct 07 20:19:22 <oil> just package name
Oct 07 20:19:23 <AnOutsider> I get so many emails about my themes but have no idea what theyre talking about. Heck, I only recently realized that's how they were getting my email ;)
Oct 07 20:19:31 <AnOutsider> yeah that'll work
Oct 07 20:19:32 <JayCanuck> lol
Oct 07 20:19:37 <AnOutsider> Re: {Package Name}
Oct 07 20:19:48 <oil> well its not really in response to
Oct 07 20:19:51 <oil> its the initial email
Oct 07 20:19:53 <AnOutsider> it's Regarding
Oct 07 20:20:02 <oil> i always thought re was reply
Oct 07 20:20:22 <AnOutsider> who knows, but it can be that, its in reply to the posting of said package ;)
Oct 07 20:20:26 <JayCanuck> doesn't "re" stand for "regards"?
Oct 07 20:20:36 <AnOutsider> lol doesnt matter
Oct 07 20:20:42 <JayCanuck> lol
Oct 07 20:20:43 <AnOutsider> we jsut need a default subject. people dont fill it in
Oct 07 20:20:45 <oil> and, you probably only realized it, because it didn't do that before the last release
Oct 07 20:21:03 <AnOutsider> well that explains it
Oct 07 20:21:04 <oil> xD
Oct 07 20:21:11 <oil> well, tapping it will take to email
Oct 07 20:21:13 <AnOutsider> I was like how the eff did these people get my email and wTF are they talking about
Oct 07 20:21:17 <oil> or web, if thats what its setup as
Oct 07 20:21:22 <AnOutsider> it'll be like "Hey, this is great, can you make it blue?"
Oct 07 20:21:23 <AnOutsider> like.. what?
Oct 07 20:21:27 <JayCanuck> lol
Oct 07 20:21:38 <oil> i dont even want to know what emails your getting
Oct 07 20:21:43 <oil> lol
Oct 07 20:21:52 <AnOutsider> haha
Oct 07 20:24:21 <oil> ok, its in there, next release will have it
Oct 07 20:24:28 <AnOutsider> gracias senor
Oct 07 20:24:33 <oil> idk if it works, no email setup in the emu
Oct 07 20:24:41 <oil> lol
Oct 07 20:24:45 <gkatsev> lol
Oct 07 20:24:46 <rwhitby> morning
Oct 07 20:24:49 <AnOutsider> wanna send me the ipk?
Oct 07 20:24:53 <AnOutsider> or just wait til its released
Oct 07 20:24:54 <gkatsev> oil: no pre or just lazy?
Oct 07 20:25:03 <oil> too lazy to move the usb cable right now
Oct 07 20:25:08 <oil> its just a standard mailto: type link
Oct 07 20:25:24 <oil> im pretty sure mailto:email@domain.com?subject=BLARG
Oct 07 20:25:27 <oil> is the correct format
Oct 07 20:25:56 <gkatsev> it is
Oct 07 20:26:05 <oil> mornin' rwhitby
Oct 07 20:26:33 <oil> re: update button for patches and themes
Oct 07 20:26:46 <oil> egaudet doesn't like the 2 script notifications
Oct 07 20:27:02 <oil> and i dont think its particularly the best way either
Oct 07 20:27:08 <rwhitby> oil: yeah, we need to discuss the best way for that
Oct 07 20:27:10 <gkatsev> there should be a away to install apps via the air.
Oct 07 20:27:14 <gkatsev> that would be awesome
Oct 07 20:27:45 <oil> rwhitby: if there was an update command in the service
Oct 07 20:27:49 <oil> that did the remove/install
Oct 07 20:27:55 <oil> and only asked about the scripts once
Oct 07 20:28:03 <oil> it would seem best from a user perspective
Oct 07 20:28:14 <rwhitby> ok, we can do that in next version
Oct 07 20:28:16 <oil> just ask about both prerem and postinst right at first
Oct 07 20:28:21 <oil> then prerem
Oct 07 20:28:23 <oil> remove
Oct 07 20:28:26 <oil> install, and postinst
Oct 07 20:28:29 <oil> then preware would run flags
Oct 07 20:28:41 <oil> but really only some package types will use it
Oct 07 20:28:46 <oil> as apps should still be installed over the top
Oct 07 20:28:55 <oil> to keep databases/cookies/etc in tact
Oct 07 20:31:38 <egaudet> oil for now the "package updates" screen could have a title or popup or something that says "remove then reinstall if no update option"
Oct 07 20:32:21 <egaudet> Or maybe you can just put in one of the scrolling titles "don't be afraid to remove"
Oct 07 20:32:27 <egaudet> "just do it"
Oct 07 20:32:39 <egaudet> "press the button!"
Oct 07 20:32:42 <oil> lol
Oct 07 20:32:50 <oil> either or is fine with me
Oct 07 20:33:15 <oil> while im at ill make the description text bold
Oct 07 20:33:18 <oil> and font size 50
Oct 07 20:33:23 <oil> and red
Oct 07 20:33:24 <oil> and flashing
Oct 07 20:33:34 <oil> who am i kidding
Oct 07 20:33:40 <oil> they'll still ignore it
Oct 07 20:33:57 <egaudet> hahaha
Oct 07 20:35:03 <nt4cats> oil: hook into the GPU and make it rotate
Oct 07 20:35:19 <oil> you can do that with css
Oct 07 20:35:26 <Saiks> Is there any script that handle file downloaded fron the browser
Oct 07 20:36:43 <jettero> rwhitby: I just got Jason's thank you for resetfileindexer.  Who is jason? :)
Oct 07 20:36:58 <oil> developer of quick install
Oct 07 20:37:02 <jettero> ahh
Oct 07 20:37:10 <oil> and internalz
Oct 07 20:37:13 <jettero> a Pre homebrew luminary
Oct 07 20:37:28 <jettero> there should be a who's who map
Oct 07 20:37:29 <oil> and the developer of preware
Oct 07 20:37:32 <oil> lol
Oct 07 20:37:40 <rwhitby> oil: be nice :-)
Oct 07 20:37:46 <oil> it was a joke
Oct 07 20:37:55 <jettero> oh, he was exaggerating?
Oct 07 20:38:04 <jettero> don't confuse me, I'm in class and easily confused
Oct 07 20:38:05 <oil> just about the last one
Oct 07 20:38:11 <jettero> hehe
Oct 07 20:38:21 <nt4cats> jettero: no, oil knows that Preware is poorly written and was trying to sully Jason's good name by pinning it on him
Oct 07 20:38:24 <rwhitby> oil: I had a chat with Jason, and he's just as frustrated about the confusion as anyone, cause he gets all these support emails about patches and preware
Oct 07 20:38:33 <oil> lolol
Oct 07 20:38:39 <Abyssul> Oil = creator of Preware
Oct 07 20:38:45 <jettero> rwhitby: haha
Oct 07 20:38:59 * lmorchard starts the Waresprecoaster project
Oct 07 20:39:17 <oil> Abyssul lies
Oct 07 20:39:22 <jettero> filecoasterprewarebittorrentteathered
Oct 07 20:39:40 <jettero> it's a hybrid that runs in windows too
Oct 07 20:40:01 <oil> and adds multitasking to the iphone
Oct 07 20:40:25 <jettero> yeah, totally
Oct 07 20:40:29 <jettero> why not, it's just java
Oct 07 20:40:42 <jettero> sunECMAjava no less
Oct 07 20:43:11 <Saiks> Hi all, is there any script that handle file downloaded fron the browser
Oct 07 20:45:34 <egaudet> what do people use internalz for?
Oct 07 20:45:46 <oil> moving around files?
Oct 07 20:46:14 <oil> i talked that one guy through using it to copy /var/log/messages to /media/internal
Oct 07 20:46:21 <oil> so he could usb it off to send it in
Oct 07 20:46:32 <egaudet> mv /var/log/messages /media/internal/
Oct 07 20:46:37 <gkatsev> exactly
Oct 07 20:46:38 <gkatsev> lol
Oct 07 20:46:38 <oil> well yeah
Oct 07 20:46:40 <egaudet> too hard to use terminal lol
Oct 07 20:46:42 <oil> but he had internalz installed
Oct 07 20:46:51 <AnOutsider> hey oil, one more thing, but this one is more "involved"
Oct 07 20:46:51 <egaudet> but that's besides the point
Oct 07 20:47:02 <oil> aye?
Oct 07 20:47:03 <AnOutsider> if I return an error from the postinst for a theme, it's still marked as installed
Oct 07 20:47:06 <egaudet> why do people use it, what in /var do they need access to from pre?
Oct 07 20:47:10 <oil> it shouldnt
Oct 07 20:47:18 <egaudet> yes oil it does
Oct 07 20:47:19 <AnOutsider> I agree, but in my experience it has
Oct 07 20:47:32 <egaudet> and that is why my postinst do ipkg -o /var remove <package>; exit 1
Oct 07 20:47:44 <egaudet> because postinst is POST installation
Oct 07 20:47:46 <egaudet> it's installed
Oct 07 20:47:46 <AnOutsider> so I guess I should do the same
Oct 07 20:47:49 <egaudet> and now a script is running
Oct 07 20:48:04 <rwhitby> So, we need to revamp everything we do to be able to support multiple webOS versions in play at the same time.  The GSM Pre ships with webOS 1.1.3 and won't get an update till later this year.
Oct 07 20:48:04 <AnOutsider> would it make sense in my postinst to just remove a theme if one is detected?
Oct 07 20:48:07 <egaudet> and service presumably doesn't "uninstall" when it fails
Oct 07 20:48:26 <egaudet> AnOutsider, no I wouldn't think so
Oct 07 20:48:36 <egaudet> only because it bypasses user control
Oct 07 20:48:47 <oil> well in preware, i only set it to installed if it completed successfully
Oct 07 20:48:56 <AnOutsider> in this case, I almost think it would be convenient no?
Oct 07 20:49:01 <oil> if it shows an error message, it shouldn't be setting it as installed
Oct 07 20:49:03 <AnOutsider> rather than uninstalling, restarting luna, installing new
Oct 07 20:49:03 <egaudet> AnOutsider, for some
Oct 07 20:49:16 <oil> but if it fails at postinst, the service should remove the package
Oct 07 20:49:27 <oil> if the package is actually installed
Oct 07 20:49:29 <egaudet> remember you only hear about the problems not the countless successes
Oct 07 20:49:39 <oil> preware would only label it so after a update
Oct 07 20:49:46 <egaudet> oil the package is guaranteed to be installed at time of postinst run
Oct 07 20:49:51 <AnOutsider> indeed, but I use the app as well and it annoys the crap out of me
Oct 07 20:50:07 <AnOutsider> I do the whole relaunching preware so I dont need to restart luna, but it would be easier all in one
Oct 07 20:50:15 <oil> egaudet: right
Oct 07 20:50:17 <AnOutsider> that or at least relaunch preware after luna restart
Oct 07 20:50:26 <oil> but i dont label it installed in preware
Oct 07 20:50:29 <egaudet> AnOutsider, it is not the package's job to decide what should be uninstalled IMO.  That is an installer item that should/could be handled with conlficts in th future
Oct 07 20:50:30 <oil> unless it was
Oct 07 20:50:38 <oil> or they reload the package lists thay say its there
Oct 07 20:50:56 <egaudet> oil, you shouldn't do that IMO
Oct 07 20:50:56 <oil> if postinst fails, the service should remove the package
Oct 07 20:51:06 <egaudet> if you are doing it manually
Oct 07 20:51:12 <oil> its a flag
Oct 07 20:51:17 <oil> package.isInstalled = true
Oct 07 20:51:17 <egaudet> preware should always reflect the state of the actual packages installed
Oct 07 20:51:35 <oil> if i didn't do that, i would have to reload the package list every time something is installed
Oct 07 20:51:37 <oil> thats inefficient
Oct 07 20:52:01 <egaudet> inefficient but correct
Oct 07 20:52:11 <oil> but as long as preware is told the truth
Oct 07 20:52:13 <oil> it shouldnt matter
Oct 07 20:52:14 <egaudet> well correct in the sense of outcome, maybe not implementation
Oct 07 20:52:16 <AnOutsider> ok so lets backtrack
Oct 07 20:52:25 <AnOutsider> I should add the uninstall to my postinst if there's an error
Oct 07 20:52:27 <AnOutsider> true?
Oct 07 20:52:37 <oil> the service should do that
Oct 07 20:52:39 <egaudet> oil you are right, if you call "install" and service returns false, but it is not installed that's a bug in service
Oct 07 20:52:41 <AnOutsider> but it's not
Oct 07 20:52:49 <oil> if postinst fails, it should remove the package, then tell preware it failed
Oct 07 20:52:59 <AnOutsider> if i try to install a theme over another theme the postinst errors out, but its still makred installed
Oct 07 20:53:10 <AnOutsider> ok right, so I should do it in postinst
Oct 07 20:53:17 <egaudet> AnOutsider, for your package and for now you could, I don't know how say QI handles postinst failrues
Oct 07 20:53:17 <oil> AnOutsider: right after installation?
Oct 07 20:53:18 <AnOutsider> ipkg -o /var remove <package>; exit 1
Oct 07 20:53:24 <oil> or after you close and reopen
Oct 07 20:53:46 <egaudet> yea that's how patches do it right now
Oct 07 20:53:48 <rwhitby> MLJ: did you get your theme problem sorted out?
Oct 07 20:53:58 <AnOutsider> ok so ill add it in
Oct 07 20:54:02 <oil> rwhitby: he did im pretty sure
Oct 07 20:54:10 <egaudet> yea Rod
Oct 07 20:54:25 <oil> well themes are 1 away from outnumbering apps (on my pre)
Oct 07 20:54:27 <egaudet> oil, who handles remount?
Oct 07 20:54:28 <MLJ> rwhitby: yes... I back tracked the version #
Oct 07 20:54:36 <oil> egaudet: not preware
Oct 07 20:54:43 <egaudet> does preware call a remount or is that all handled in the service's install method
Oct 07 20:54:52 <Saiks> Is there any script that handle file downloaded fron the browser
Oct 07 20:54:56 <oil> the service im pretty sure
Oct 07 20:55:21 <Abyssul> Could someone give me some support when installing the VK? ( get a mismatch md5sums error and error when running /tmp/ipkgScript.sh)
Oct 07 20:55:23 <MLJ> rwhitby: (my update was 0.7 when the update before that was 0.61) ~ changed new version to 0.71 all is good ;)
Oct 07 20:55:33 <oil> Saiks: what do you mean
Oct 07 20:55:50 <egaudet> what is /tmp/ipkgScript.sh ?
Oct 07 20:56:07 <Abyssul> idk thats just what WEbOS Doctor says
Oct 07 20:56:11 <Abyssul> and it doesnt work on Preware either
Oct 07 20:56:16 <egaudet> doctor?
Oct 07 20:56:21 <Abyssul> oops
Oct 07 20:56:25 <oil> lolol
Oct 07 20:56:26 <Abyssul> Sorry lol WebOs QI
Oct 07 20:56:35 <egaudet> lol oh ok
Oct 07 20:56:38 <Abyssul> My brains dead from school, :(
Oct 07 20:56:57 <egaudet> Abyssul, did you fail to install a previous version of the vk?
Oct 07 20:57:03 <Saiks> @oil, when i download a file from the browser, it says there is no handler for the downloaded file
Oct 07 20:57:22 <oil> what type of file?
Oct 07 20:57:23 <Abyssul> I used doctor to 1.2 and then upgraded to 1.2.1
Oct 07 20:57:31 <Abyssul> and have not been able to install it
Oct 07 20:57:38 <oil> only certain files have something that can open them
Oct 07 20:58:08 <egaudet> Abyssul what are the last 5 digits of the expected and calculated md5sums from the error
Oct 07 20:58:22 <Abyssul> let me get them
Oct 07 20:58:57 <Abyssul> 3e29e (expect), 8b75c (calc)
Oct 07 20:59:24 <oil> fail
Oct 07 20:59:48 <AnOutsider> ok now that that's settled. Should I or shouldn't I automatically uninstall detected themes on install of a theme via ipk?
Oct 07 21:00:01 <AnOutsider> It wont be hard to tell if it's one of jason's themes since his theme.xml doesnt have a package id
Oct 07 21:00:06 <oil> hey pooh
Oct 07 21:00:12 <egaudet> I personally would not AnOutsider because a theme is an advanced homebrew
Oct 07 21:00:13 <AnOutsider> so I could search for a package id, if it exists, remove
Oct 07 21:00:22 <DarthPooh> hey guys
Oct 07 21:00:27 <AnOutsider> what do you mean e?
Oct 07 21:00:35 <egaudet> bypassing user control to uninstall another advanced homebrew is IMO bad.  THen again I do it with EPR to remove all patches :P
Oct 07 21:00:53 <egaudet> Abyssul, global.css neeeds to be repaired
Oct 07 21:00:59 <Abyssul> Hmmm
Oct 07 21:01:09 <Abyssul> It must correlate with my theme then
Oct 07 21:01:14 <Abyssul> alright
Oct 07 21:01:20 <egaudet> if your theme touches global.css
Oct 07 21:01:26 <Abyssul> Indeed it does
Oct 07 21:01:30 <egaudet> :(
Oct 07 21:01:31 <AnOutsider> eric, true, but in this case, it's an "understood" thing
Oct 07 21:01:38 <AnOutsider> you cant mix and match themes as it is with my ipks
Oct 07 21:01:40 <DarthPooh> i have a patch that says it's installed, but clearly not...
Oct 07 21:01:40 <Abyssul> Exactly why I need for Jason to release his theme builder <.<
Oct 07 21:01:43 <AnOutsider> so why not make it easy and just uninstall
Oct 07 21:01:48 <oil> lol
Oct 07 21:01:50 <DarthPooh> think it got corrupted on a theme change
Oct 07 21:01:56 <oil> ouch
Oct 07 21:02:03 <oil> patching is so messy
Oct 07 21:02:16 * oil blames egaudet and AnOutsider for this problem
Oct 07 21:02:21 <AnOutsider> it's better than replacing whole css/js files
Oct 07 21:02:22 <egaudet> AnOutsider, because imo it's a workaround to an installer problem
Oct 07 21:02:25 <oil> lol
Oct 07 21:02:35 <egaudet> and now I know whay people get into weird situations with vkb failed installs
Oct 07 21:02:36 <AnOutsider> fair enough, but preware isnt designed to handle themes
Oct 07 21:02:47 <egaudet> people have started to touch framework files (global.css)
Oct 07 21:02:50 <AnOutsider> until there's a dedicated theme manager, why not have the ipk do it
Oct 07 21:02:52 <oil> DarthPooh: i think the steps are to remove it via command line
Oct 07 21:03:01 <oil> can you remove it from preware?
Oct 07 21:03:03 <Abyssul> Lol egaudet :p
Oct 07 21:03:09 <AnOutsider> eric: yeah they have, it's a mess. I'll stick to only doign sed's
Oct 07 21:03:21 <DarthPooh> nope, errors out, and I will do a command line uninstall
Oct 07 21:03:22 <egaudet> because the ipk should be aware of itself
Oct 07 21:03:36 <egaudet> sed's are better than replacements but still limited
Oct 07 21:03:44 <DarthPooh> Battery Icon and Percent :(
Oct 07 21:03:44 <egaudet> themes are basically patches+image replacement
Oct 07 21:03:47 <AnOutsider> still limited true, but a bit cleaner I think
Oct 07 21:03:56 <egaudet> and can easily be integrated with AutoPatch but let me not even go there
Oct 07 21:03:58 <oil> so some theme touched the bar
Oct 07 21:04:00 <Abyssul> egaudet, it worked
Oct 07 21:04:00 <egaudet> back to the uninstall from ipk
Oct 07 21:04:13 <AnOutsider> but really, until a theme manager is created or oil decides to write code tailored to themes, why not do it in the ipk haha
Oct 07 21:04:30 <egaudet> Themes are the devil!
Oct 07 21:04:37 <oil> AnOutsider: if you do make a theme manager, you could always branch preware and just make a fancier front end
Oct 07 21:04:42 <AnOutsider> as it stands. trying to install over another theme = error. you now need to remove current theme, restart, find new theme, install
Oct 07 21:04:44 <Abyssul> So Im doing the devil's work?
Oct 07 21:04:49 <oil> then any changes to how packages are handled/etc could be pulled right over
Oct 07 21:04:50 <AnOutsider> vs find new theme, new theme sees old theme, removes, isntalls new theme
Oct 07 21:04:51 <egaudet> AnOutsider, it should be handled by the ipk metadata not the post install
Oct 07 21:04:58 <egaudet> lol
Oct 07 21:05:03 <AnOutsider> oh?
Oct 07 21:05:08 <oil> dont say conflicts
Oct 07 21:05:08 <AnOutsider> expand on that?
Oct 07 21:05:17 <oil> lol
Oct 07 21:05:24 <egaudet> Abyssul, the new thme builder will use patching and prethemer uses sed so it won't be an issue in the future
Oct 07 21:05:37 <DarthPooh> whoa...
Oct 07 21:05:43 <DarthPooh> major issue me thinks with my pre
Oct 07 21:05:49 <oil> ohh
Oct 07 21:05:50 <DarthPooh> sound keeps pausing
Oct 07 21:05:55 <egaudet> CONFLICTS
Oct 07 21:06:01 <DarthPooh> automatically
Oct 07 21:06:17 <Abyssul> I know egaudet
Oct 07 21:06:30 <Abyssul> Just waiting... patiently
Oct 07 21:06:34 <egaudet> AnOutsider, IMO it could/should be done with confclitcs metadata
Oct 07 21:06:52 <oil> having every theme conflict with every other theme would make the metadata grow exponentially
Oct 07 21:06:56 <AnOutsider> I'd originally wanted it that way, but I beleive it was rod that told me that that wasn't currently complete?
Oct 07 21:06:58 <egaudet> the only thing is obviously it has to be able to conflict with an entire type
Oct 07 21:07:07 <AnOutsider> right
Oct 07 21:07:08 <egaudet> AnOutsider, right it's not done yet
Oct 07 21:07:18 <AnOutsider> ok so we're back to, right now, what's the best option?
Oct 07 21:07:21 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: I'm not even sure it's possible
Oct 07 21:07:22 <DarthPooh> ok reboot before I get mad ;)
Oct 07 21:07:25 <AnOutsider> detect another prethemer theme, and remove :)
Oct 07 21:07:31 <oil> good plan DarthPooh
Oct 07 21:07:37 <egaudet> CONFLICTS: {Type: Theme}
Oct 07 21:07:43 <egaudet> CONFLICTS: {Name: org.webosinternals.oil}
Oct 07 21:07:44 <DarthPooh> if I have to dr this motherfucker one more time!
Oct 07 21:07:54 <oil> everything conflicts with oil
Oct 07 21:07:57 <egaudet> lol
Oct 07 21:08:00 <DarthPooh> especially water
Oct 07 21:08:08 <oil> seriously
Oct 07 21:08:08 <egaudet> CONFLICTS: {:D: Puff}
Oct 07 21:08:16 <oil> lol
Oct 07 21:08:19 <AnOutsider> haha
Oct 07 21:08:21 <DarthPooh> lol
Oct 07 21:08:25 <DarthPooh> drama
Oct 07 21:08:37 <AnOutsider> ok, im going to toy with this
Oct 07 21:08:40 <egaudet> no drama just inside joke
Oct 07 21:08:48 <DarthPooh> trying to stream the NLDS, and the damn thing doesnt work
Oct 07 21:08:54 <AnOutsider> I think it should be safe enough to do this if I detect another theme with an actual package id in it
Oct 07 21:08:56 <oil> nlds?
Oct 07 21:08:58 <DarthPooh> egaudet: I know, everyone picks on Puff
Oct 07 21:09:06 <DarthPooh> baseball man
Oct 07 21:09:07 <DarthPooh> baseball
Oct 07 21:09:09 <DarthPooh> my god
Oct 07 21:09:11 <DarthPooh> ;)
Oct 07 21:09:12 <AnOutsider> and if this works, you guys can do this for the precentral ones too and we can eliminate another point of issue
Oct 07 21:09:15 <oil> ah
Oct 07 21:09:21 <egaudet> NL is not really baseball though
Oct 07 21:09:26 <AnOutsider> only lasting prob would be themes done with WOQI's theme builder
Oct 07 21:09:34 <egaudet> it's like the minors :P
Oct 07 21:09:48 <DarthPooh> when the NL champs are going for a repeat, its hard to say stuff like that :)
Oct 07 21:09:49 <egaudet> Abyssul, how did you install your theme with global.css overwrite?
Oct 07 21:09:51 <egaudet> not recently right?
Oct 07 21:10:05 <egaudet> oh yea that's right you guys won one
Oct 07 21:10:09 * egaudet crawls into hole
Oct 07 21:10:12 <DarthPooh> lol
Oct 07 21:10:16 <Abyssul> I replaced my current .css with a stock one extracted from the doctor
Oct 07 21:10:20 <DarthPooh> used the Hero today...
Oct 07 21:10:34 <Abyssul> I dont see how patches will fix this issue
Oct 07 21:10:34 <DarthPooh> Palm should be afraid of this device
Oct 07 21:10:37 <egaudet> Abyssul, I mean you didn't install your theme from preware or QI or something?
Oct 07 21:10:41 <egaudet> you were doing it manually?
Oct 07 21:10:47 <Abyssul> I installed it with QI
Oct 07 21:10:56 <Abyssul> Oh...
Oct 07 21:11:01 <egaudet> Abyssul, quite simply because patches modify specific lines and not whole files
Oct 07 21:11:09 <egaudet> so they can be compatible if they don't touch the same lines
Oct 07 21:11:22 <Abyssul> I understand but if a user applies a patch then installs the VK, it will still give the same error
Oct 07 21:11:45 <egaudet> Abyssul, only because VK hasn't been ported to AutoPatch yet
Oct 07 21:11:46 <Abyssul> Because of the incorrect sums
Oct 07 21:12:00 <Abyssul> Everything is on a to-do list :p
Oct 07 21:12:53 <DarthPooh> so the device goes to stream the gameday audio, but no dice, nothing plays
Oct 07 21:12:53 <egaudet> AutoPatch never even came out of alpha
Oct 07 21:13:10 <egaudet> they released 1.2.0 too soon and AutoPatch was forced into the mix
Oct 07 21:13:20 <Abyssul> Yea I know
Oct 07 21:13:31 <Abyssul> It seems like its progressing quite well though
Oct 07 21:14:48 <Abyssul> Until VK is turned into Autopatch, then we should suggest that people install themes before the VK correct?
Oct 07 21:14:59 <Abyssul> (themes that modify the global.css file)
Oct 07 21:15:11 <egaudet> after the VK
Oct 07 21:15:16 <egaudet> and remove them before removing the VK
Oct 07 21:15:28 <DarthPooh> maybe it's because everyone is streaming :D
Oct 07 21:15:36 <egaudet> but that will probably be fixed by tonight
Oct 07 21:15:41 <Abyssul> Hmm...
Oct 07 21:15:55 <Abyssul> I need to create some patches for my theme but my current programs arn't compiling them right...
Oct 07 21:16:29 <freakout> (yawn) morning all. Did I miss 1.3?
Oct 07 21:16:36 <oil> yes
Oct 07 21:16:42 <Abyssul> No, 1.4 already came
Oct 07 21:16:42 <freakout> oh, crapcakes
Oct 07 21:16:45 <Mousey> wat?
Oct 07 21:16:53 <oil> but no new SDK
Oct 07 21:16:57 <freakout> lol
Oct 07 21:16:58 <Mousey> wait, i'm still afk
Oct 07 21:16:59 <freakout> bloody typical
Oct 07 21:16:59 <oil> LOL
Oct 07 21:17:08 <freakout> I bet fucking precentral got an exclusive preview too
Oct 07 21:17:12 <egaudet> Abyssul, compiling?
Oct 07 21:17:13 <oil> yeah
Oct 07 21:17:22 <oil> and a boat load of free pres
Oct 07 21:17:24 <Abyssul> Creating a patch file
Oct 07 21:17:48 <Abyssul> The current patches it makes is deleting all the text in the .css file and replacing it with what is in the modified file.
Oct 07 21:17:49 <freakout> well, i s'pose it's best to find this stuff out in the morning when I'm already generally pissed off
Oct 07 21:18:02 <Abyssul> Thats why your name is freakout :p
Oct 07 21:18:05 <egaudet> extract doctor, extract rootfs, cd rootfs; git init; git add .; git commit -m "v1.2.0"
Oct 07 21:18:08 <egaudet> make changes
Oct 07 21:18:08 <freakout> lol
Oct 07 21:18:22 <egaudet> git add .; git diff -b --cached > my.patch; git reset
Oct 07 21:18:27 <Abyssul> I already have the stock and modified files on my PC
Oct 07 21:19:00 <egaudet> git checkout -f v1.2.0; git clean -f -d to clean out all changes
Oct 07 21:19:14 <egaudet> If you already have stock and modified files, you need to do a diff -uNrp
Oct 07 21:19:24 <Abyssul> Im useing TortoiseSVN
Oct 07 21:19:38 <Abyssul> I think I dont know enough for patches yet lol
Oct 07 21:19:58 <egaudet> that's OK no one can install the css files anymore anyway
Oct 07 21:20:09 <Abyssul> Thats why Im creating patches
Oct 07 21:21:09 <egaudet> you could always create patch on pre
Oct 07 21:21:44 <Abyssul> Thats complicated lol
Oct 07 21:22:23 <egaudet> Maybe we need some open source PC software for this kind of stuff
Oct 07 21:22:23 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: yo
Oct 07 21:22:31 <PuffTheMagic> C question for you
Oct 07 21:22:36 <egaudet> k
Oct 07 21:23:10 <PuffTheMagic> i have a char* which I replaced all \n with \0... now how do I convert that char* into a char** so i can itterate over each line
Oct 07 21:24:20 <rwhitby> ref = &string
Oct 07 21:24:22 <egaudet> char **newvar = &var
Oct 07 21:24:32 <PuffTheMagic> thats it?
Oct 07 21:24:36 <egaudet> yea
Oct 07 21:24:44 <PuffTheMagic> cool
Oct 07 21:24:53 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: oh, hang on
Oct 07 21:24:55 <egaudet> char ** is pointer to a pointer, &var is the address of the pointer to a character (string)
Oct 07 21:24:55 <PuffTheMagic> thought i needed to do a memcpy or something
Oct 07 21:25:04 <rwhitby> I don't think you asked what you meant to ask
Oct 07 21:25:28 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: you have a long string, and you've embedded newlines.
Oct 07 21:25:42 <rwhitby> you turn the newlines into nulls, and now you want an array of strings ?
Oct 07 21:26:04 <PuffTheMagic> yeah i am trying to convert a string into an array of strings
Oct 07 21:26:09 <Abyssul> wow thats wierd! it made the patch right
Oct 07 21:26:13 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: you can either have an array of fixed size strings (which you don't have here)
Oct 07 21:26:16 <Abyssul> Im in the game :)
Oct 07 21:26:22 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: or you have to create an array of pointers
Oct 07 21:26:34 <PuffTheMagic> im fine with an array of pointers
Oct 07 21:26:52 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: as you're iterating over and changing newlines to nulls, save the pointer address of the start of the string in a new array
Oct 07 21:27:03 <PuffTheMagic> ahh
Oct 07 21:27:19 <rwhitby> then you don't have to malloc new mem for the strings, just the pointers
Oct 07 21:27:20 <PuffTheMagic> i can do tha in my second loop
Oct 07 21:27:25 <PuffTheMagic> need to count the number of lines first
Oct 07 21:27:34 <egaudet> no
Oct 07 21:27:36 <egaudet> no counting
Oct 07 21:27:41 <egaudet> use while
Oct 07 21:27:46 <egaudet> move the pointer
Oct 07 21:27:53 <egaudet> save the pointer into the array of pointers as you go
Oct 07 21:28:01 <rwhitby> egaudet: he needs an array size first
Oct 07 21:28:08 <rwhitby> or at least a max size
Oct 07 21:28:15 <egaudet> or can realloc
Oct 07 21:28:21 <PuffTheMagic> i figured i needed 2 loops
Oct 07 21:28:29 <rwhitby> this is C, not C++.  yeah, realloc would work too
Oct 07 21:28:36 <mdklein> what are you trying to accomplish? just tokenize a string seperated by newlines?
Oct 07 21:28:37 <rwhitby> just count as you're changing the newlines to nulls
Oct 07 21:29:01 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: im doing that currently
Oct 07 21:29:54 <PuffTheMagic> thanks i have an idea what i need to do now
Oct 07 21:30:26 <PuffTheMagic> but first time i shouldnt replace antthing
Oct 07 21:30:28 <PuffTheMagic> just count i think
Oct 07 21:30:35 <PuffTheMagic> cause then the next loop woudlnt work
Oct 07 21:32:10 <egaudet> recursion, realloc... nevermind
Oct 07 21:32:50 <egaudet> if you want to double iterate you can, you can also replace \n to \0 if you want
Oct 07 21:33:08 <mdklein> what is your end goal?
Oct 07 21:33:12 <egaudet> since you know count you know each new pointer to store is at prev[strlen]
Oct 07 21:33:22 <egaudet> err strlen+1
Oct 07 21:33:42 <PuffTheMagic> mdklein: convert string into an array of strings
Oct 07 21:33:58 <mdklein> to do what with though?
Oct 07 21:34:25 <PuffTheMagic> im taking the output of ipkg info and converting it into proper json
Oct 07 21:36:00 <wh0dat> can a usb thumb drive be mounted on the pre?
Oct 07 21:36:48 <mdklein> k, I was only asking because it sounded like you just wanted to convert it into an array of strings only to iterate over it, and you could possibly avoid the conversion by just strtok(list,'\n'); and iterating through that...
Oct 07 21:39:50 <ConfusedVorlon> hi folks. I have a random favor to ask. Does anyone have a pre running 1.x with access to the US app store?
Oct 07 21:41:13 <ConfusedVorlon> ...I guess not
Oct 07 21:43:53 <egaudet> http://webos.pastebin.com/m2ea5c707
Oct 07 21:43:58 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, ^^ something like that
Oct 07 21:45:04 <rwhitby> egaudet: all those reallocs are going to slow things down
Oct 07 21:45:48 <egaudet> significantly?
Oct 07 21:45:48 * rwhitby is very wary of reallocs and Preware since the OOM problems we had with the Java service
Oct 07 21:46:05 <rwhitby> every little bit counts :-)
Oct 07 21:46:08 <egaudet> Java is a lot different
Oct 07 21:46:57 <egaudet> a realloc is going to cost a lot more than another strchr or strtok iteration?
Oct 07 21:47:05 <rwhitby> egaudet: realloc is a system call, iterating twice can be done without needing to do multiple system calls.  system calls kill your performance cause of the context switch.
Oct 07 21:47:49 <rwhitby> yeah, I believe it will, unless you're using a sophisticated malloc replacement, which isn't the case on the Pre.
Oct 07 21:47:54 <egaudet> yea so then instead create a "max" element and realloc an additional max if you run out of space
Oct 07 21:48:39 <egaudet> or just count them and reiterate fine, i hate double loops
Oct 07 21:48:58 <rwhitby> strchr and strtok are fast, cause branch prediction can help and you don't need to context switch
Oct 07 21:50:41 <egaudet> ahh branch predictions ohhh how I love those
Oct 07 21:51:29 <egaudet> until a speculative data access to the wrong place cause hard to see problems :P
Oct 07 21:51:53 <egaudet> but yea forget realloc it was a bad idea here
Oct 07 21:55:43 <Mousey> man, i gotta stop tryna defend WebOS in #maemo, i just sound like a troll =(
Oct 07 21:57:58 <AnOutsider> hey eric
Oct 07 21:58:08 <AnOutsider> is there a method to detect if a package is installed?
Oct 07 21:58:21 <AnOutsider> like ipkg -doesthisbitchexist PACKAGEID
Oct 07 21:59:07 <egaudet> not that I know of why?
Oct 07 21:59:08 <Mousey> lol
Oct 07 21:59:14 <Mousey> ipkg whatprovides
Oct 07 21:59:19 * Mousey makes stuff up
Oct 07 21:59:20 <egaudet> if you want functionality of "if exists then remove", just do remove
Oct 07 21:59:25 <AnOutsider> messing with this postinst
Oct 07 21:59:45 <acydlord> egaudet, remind me to push my patch to the repo when i'm done installing win7 on my laptop lol
Oct 07 21:59:53 <AnOutsider> well i just finished the code to grep out the package id from the theme.xml
Oct 07 22:00:25 <egaudet> acydlord, stop installing win 7 and push your patch to the repo
Oct 07 22:00:29 <AnOutsider> but if there's no packageid in the theme.xml (for precentral themes) then we've got nothing and I dont wanna call remove on nada
Oct 07 22:00:35 <egaudet> and throw windows out the...  hehe
Oct 07 22:00:40 <acydlord> lol
Oct 07 22:00:56 <AnOutsider> and this also makes me wonder, if the prerm is called of the other theme, will it prematurely trigger luna restart or a prompt for luna restart
Oct 07 22:00:57 <acydlord> i had to waste 10 minutes of my time to scam houseparty into sending me this copy of win7
Oct 07 22:01:10 <acydlord> turns out i get win7 free anyway with my msdn account lol
Oct 07 22:01:33 <egaudet> AnOutsider, I thought you created the packages?
Oct 07 22:01:51 <AnOutsider> yes for prethemer
Oct 07 22:01:57 <egaudet> what are you putting into postinst?
Oct 07 22:02:01 <mdklein> acydlord: but your msdn version isn't Steve Ballmer edition!
Oct 07 22:02:09 <AnOutsider> but the packages frm precentral or a theme installed with WOQI doesnt include a package id in the theme.xml file
Oct 07 22:02:13 <AnOutsider> which is what im searching for
Oct 07 22:02:17 <acydlord> mdklein exactly
Oct 07 22:02:23 <AnOutsider> so if it cant find the package to remove, then do nothing and return error
Oct 07 22:02:31 <acydlord> this dvd better have sweat, tears, and unicorn blood in it too
Oct 07 22:03:21 <egaudet> AnOutsider, so you are going to remove another theme in your postinst?
Oct 07 22:04:28 <egaudet> you can do a if [ "$var" = "" ] after getting the package id from the theme.xml
Oct 07 22:04:47 <egaudet> only remove if [ "$packageid" != "" ]
Oct 07 22:05:02 <egaudet> and then you have to run the prerm for that theme, and then ipkg -o /var remove
Oct 07 22:05:08 <egaudet> (again I suggest not doing this)
Oct 07 22:05:42 <egaudet> or you can verifiy it's installed by grepping the ipkg -o /var list_installed output
Oct 07 22:06:40 <AnOutsider> roger that
Oct 07 22:06:48 <AnOutsider> yeah im gonna put it in for my own for now
Oct 07 22:09:21 <acydlord> hmm, something changed. I can no longer ssh into my pre
Oct 07 22:12:28 <AnOutsider> I think this'll work. When I'm done dinner I'm going to find a way to have this execute only on my own device
Oct 07 22:12:43 <AnOutsider> prolly by placing a file in /media/ somewhere and if it exists then do my method
Oct 07 22:13:52 <egaudet> heading home
Oct 07 22:25:51 <Loogie> What am I doing wrong here? I'm trying to copy a file from /var/palm/data to /media/internal but every time I issue the command it says "cp ommitting directory ..."
Oct 07 22:26:32 <Loogie> Here's the exact command: cp file_.var.usr.palm.applications.com.splashdata.app.splashid_0 /media/internal/
Oct 07 22:28:58 <Loogie> Is anyone here?
Oct 07 22:29:41 * Mousey doesn't even stir
Oct 07 22:30:54 <destinal> Mousey: funny, I tend to push maemo in here. :)  must find time to start porting
Oct 07 22:31:07 <Mousey> how are they not binary compatible?
Oct 07 22:31:17 <Mousey> i'd love to put maemo on my Pre
Oct 07 22:31:21 <Mousey> that'd be epic
Oct 07 22:31:33 <Loogie> Can you guys give me a quick hand?
Oct 07 22:31:37 <destinal> Mousey: they should be binary compatible for the most part, but there will always be hardware differences
Oct 07 22:31:38 * Mousey claps
Oct 07 22:32:22 <Mousey> Loogie: in general the rule in irc channels is to ask a question, not necessarily ask if you can ask a question =)
Oct 07 22:32:22 <Loogie> What am I doing wrong here? I'm trying to copy a file from /var/palm/data to /media/internal but every time I issue the command it says "cp ommitting directory ..."
Oct 07 22:32:23 <destinal> Mousey: there's a lot more to a pre than just the IMAP stuff
Oct 07 22:32:31 <destinal> s/IMAP/OMAP/
Oct 07 22:32:31 <infobot> destinal meant: Mousey: there's a lot more to a pre than just the OMAP stuff
Oct 07 22:32:40 <Mousey> yah, like the javascript video
Oct 07 22:32:41 <Mousey> wth
Oct 07 22:32:49 <Mousey> oh
Oct 07 22:33:04 <Mousey> Loogie: cp -r /var/palm/data/stuff  /media/internal/
Oct 07 22:33:25 <Loogie> ahh what does the -r do?
Oct 07 22:33:29 <Mousey> recurses
Oct 07 22:33:36 <Mousey> cp doesn't recurse by default
Oct 07 22:33:45 <Loogie> ok, I'll give it a shot, thanks!
Oct 07 22:33:50 <Mousey> np, gl
Oct 07 22:36:24 <Loogie> That worked, thanks! Any idea where the "Notes" are stores? I want to back mine up before doing WebOSDoctor.
Oct 07 22:36:45 * Mousey defers
Oct 07 22:40:38 <acydlord> egaudet, done
Oct 07 22:41:23 <acydlord> and i broke the sexy new clean structure with the name of my patch =x
Oct 07 22:50:52 <destinal> Loogie: /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3
Oct 07 22:50:56 <destinal> oh, he left
Oct 07 23:01:13 <AnOutsider> egaudet, you here?
Oct 07 23:01:42 <egaudet> acydlord, you can't break structure like that
Oct 07 23:01:50 <egaudet> AnOutsider, yea
Oct 07 23:01:57 <AnOutsider> is there a preinst script?
Oct 07 23:02:20 <AnOutsider> Got my thing to work, but duh, if I run the prerm for another theme after my theme's been installed then the files are removed
Oct 07 23:02:40 <acydlord> egaudet, should i edit the patch name to match my old one thats in there?
Oct 07 23:02:41 <AnOutsider> actually.. hmm
Oct 07 23:02:59 <egaudet> AnOutsider, why would you run a prerm on another theme after running your postinst?
Oct 07 23:03:10 <egaudet> and why would a prerm from another theme remove your files?
Oct 07 23:03:22 <egaudet> acydlord, yes if you want it included in the AutoPatch :P
Oct 07 23:03:32 <acydlord> egaudet, will do
Oct 07 23:04:58 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: http://pastebin.com/m194fe3b7
Oct 07 23:05:01 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ that works
Oct 07 23:06:38 <AnOutsider> PRERM="/var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/com.prethemer.themes."$PACKAGEID".prerm"                 sh $PRERM
Oct 07 23:06:49 <AnOutsider> should I execute that some other way other than just calling sh?
Oct 07 23:06:56 <egaudet> /bin/sh
Oct 07 23:07:02 <AnOutsider> wasnt sure if it should be like/usr/bin
Oct 07 23:07:03 <AnOutsider> oh duh
Oct 07 23:07:35 <AnOutsider> oh blah, my emu has the precentral feed
Oct 07 23:07:42 <AnOutsider> no wonder.. im like where the eff are the icons
Oct 07 23:08:41 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, it works but ya coulda just used strtok
Oct 07 23:09:23 <flare576> Hello all.  I'm having an issue with PreWare and I'm hoping ya'll can help me if you're not busy reorganizing patches and such :)  It's not being able to do its final mount command due to "Device or resource busy."  Is there anyway I can tell what's occupying the device?
Oct 07 23:09:46 <PuffTheMagic> i was told to always avoid strtok
Oct 07 23:10:15 <PuffTheMagic> flare576: fuser, lsof
Oct 07 23:10:28 <egaudet> why?
Oct 07 23:10:35 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: i dont remember
Oct 07 23:11:22 <egaudet> well I don't think there's good reason not to
Oct 07 23:12:04 <en0x> flare576: did u try install internalz file manager?
Oct 07 23:12:05 <en0x> :>
Oct 07 23:12:29 <flare576> en0x, why yes, yes I did
Oct 07 23:12:37 <en0x> i knew it!
Oct 07 23:12:38 <en0x> ;]
Oct 07 23:12:41 <en0x> i had same shit
Oct 07 23:13:05 <flare576> hrm... well, if it's a choice of a filebrowser or PreWare.... There isn't much of a choice at all
Oct 07 23:13:38 <egaudet> hmmmm
Oct 07 23:13:51 <egaudet> so internalz might not be closing files
Oct 07 23:14:01 <en0x> nope
Oct 07 23:14:08 <en0x> but i rebooted and it was all fine
Oct 07 23:14:11 <egaudet> or the closed source service underneath I should say
Oct 07 23:14:27 <acydlord> egaudet, fixed
Oct 07 23:14:27 <flare576> yeah, i was gonna say it's gotta be the service 'cause I haven't run the app
Oct 07 23:14:31 <rwhitby> I had that problem, and was not using internalz
Oct 07 23:14:47 <acydlord> haha, i had a minor vi fail in my commit
Oct 07 23:14:49 <egaudet> do you have the service installed rwhitby ?
Oct 07 23:14:51 <rwhitby> and the service doesn't open files until the app requests I would expect
Oct 07 23:14:58 <flare576> en0x: I'll try a full reboot, not sure if I've done that since the update.
Oct 07 23:15:11 <rwhitby> flare576: a reboot seems to fix it
Oct 07 23:15:12 <egaudet> I still think it's a background service in linux or something, maybe a backup or sync
Oct 07 23:15:30 <egaudet> but still needs to be fixed in the ipkgsrevice
Oct 07 23:15:33 <rwhitby> egaudet: I agree with the theory, but don't think it's internalz
Oct 07 23:15:33 <egaudet> serviec*
Oct 07 23:15:35 <flare576> egaudet: you just don't like closed source ;)
Oct 07 23:15:39 <egaudet> forget it I can't spell right now
Oct 07 23:16:03 <egaudet> correction flare576 I don't 'trust' closed source
Oct 07 23:16:04 <egaudet> :P
Oct 07 23:16:21 <flare576> egaudet: "Don't trust anything that you can't see where it thinks"
Oct 07 23:16:52 <rwhitby> it's not about trust - you simply can't easily debug closed source when it goes wrong
Oct 07 23:17:22 <AnOutsider> ...
Oct 07 23:17:27 <AnOutsider> did you jsut quote harry potter?
Oct 07 23:17:35 <flare576> AnOutsider: someone got it lol
Oct 07 23:17:46 <AnOutsider> dunno if i should be ashamed or not
Oct 07 23:17:56 <flare576> oh, we both should, but that's ok.
Oct 07 23:18:11 <egaudet> lol
Oct 07 23:20:21 <AnOutsider> blah, this shit is driving me nuts
Oct 07 23:20:22 <flare576> rwhitby: en0x Rebooting seems to have resolved my issue.  I did a LOT of stuff since the last restart, so it's very possible it's not the file manager service and/or Internalz.
Oct 07 23:21:50 <egaudet> flare576, it's likely not
Oct 07 23:22:35 <en0x> anyone can recommend good movie for tonight?
Oct 07 23:22:49 <flare576> heard zombieland is pretty killer
Oct 07 23:22:52 <Mousey> on your pre?
Oct 07 23:24:35 <oil> i thought it was ok
Oct 07 23:24:53 <wh0dat> i removed a yahoo contact on the yahoo client on my pc, but when i resync contacts on my phone, that contact stays there on the phone..?
Oct 07 23:25:31 <flare576> I... wasn't aware of yahoo syncing being official yet?
Oct 07 23:25:54 <wh0dat> it's not ;)
Oct 07 23:27:24 <flare576> I see lol.  I won't be able to help, so I'll stfu and hope someone can :)
Oct 07 23:28:09 <zsoc> wh0dat, greg_roll is the only person i know who could field that question, and he isn't here.
Oct 07 23:29:09 <wh0dat> zsoc: okay. any idea where the contacts file may be located so i can remove the entry with vi? ;-)
Oct 07 23:29:41 <zsoc> wh0dat, er... i knew the answer to this once. i'm not so certain it's kept in plain text tho.
Oct 07 23:30:06 <zsoc> i remember it specifically _not_ being where I thought it was :<
Oct 07 23:30:27 <wh0dat> heheeh
Oct 07 23:30:53 <wh0dat> maybe i will just do a recursive grep for the nickname
Oct 07 23:31:08 <wh0dat> not plain text though? durn
Oct 07 23:35:34 <zsoc> well
Oct 07 23:35:35 <zsoc> try it
Oct 07 23:35:46 <zsoc> if it's plain text, it'll find it :) good idea actually.
Oct 07 23:37:00 <wh0dat> zsoc: maybe it's in mysql db lol does the phone even have that...
Oct 07 23:37:13 <zsoc> wh0dat, er.. sqlite i believe, and yes
Oct 07 23:37:53 <wh0dat> oh, so your sure its not in a file now?
Oct 07 23:38:41 <zsoc> no i'm not sure, but the phone is capable of using databases in this way (and does, for other things)
Oct 07 23:39:04 <wh0dat> ok
Oct 07 23:40:12 <destinal> wh0dat: it's probably wiser to delete the entry with some quick javascript.  you may be able to kill luna, kill services, run sqlite and delete an entry, than start things back up again, but it's likely to be a pain
Oct 07 23:40:25 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: im about to pull my hair out
Oct 07 23:40:32 <egaudet> lol
Oct 07 23:40:35 <egaudet> why
Oct 07 23:40:55 <PuffTheMagic> cause cleaning up this ipkg info in C is a fucking pain
Oct 07 23:41:02 <PuffTheMagic> all this extra white space and shit
Oct 07 23:41:15 <egaudet> you are trying to do what exactly
Oct 07 23:41:46 <flare576> PuffTheMagic: s/ // Problem solved!
Oct 07 23:41:57 <PuffTheMagic> flare576: in C not bash
Oct 07 23:41:59 <egaudet> *** glibc detected *** ipkg: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080b0748 ***
Oct 07 23:42:10 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: hahahahaha
Oct 07 23:42:14 <egaudet> wtf is that
Oct 07 23:42:15 <egaudet> lol
Oct 07 23:42:17 <PuffTheMagic> that is cause
Oct 07 23:42:26 <PuffTheMagic> precentral has HUGE descriptions
Oct 07 23:42:30 <PuffTheMagic> ipkg has a 8k buffer
Oct 07 23:42:34 <PuffTheMagic> for feed entries
Oct 07 23:42:42 <zsoc> oooo 0x080b0748, i think that's the same memory location i found my car keys in
Oct 07 23:42:55 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: thats why i rebuilt libipkg witha  16k buffer
Oct 07 23:42:56 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 07 23:42:59 <wh0dat> destinal: okay. i know sql but don't know the phone's javascript yet though. thanks
Oct 07 23:43:16 <egaudet> well is it going to eventually overflow 16k
Oct 07 23:43:34 <zsoc> then he'll hack it to 32 ;)
Oct 07 23:43:34 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: not if rwhitby beats people up for huge description fields
Oct 07 23:43:41 <PuffTheMagic> im trying to get descriptions smaller
Oct 07 23:43:45 <PuffTheMagic> with no donation links
Oct 07 23:43:55 <PuffTheMagic> just a concise description
Oct 07 23:44:04 <PuffTheMagic> link to webpage if you want donations
Oct 07 23:44:06 <PuffTheMagic> or something
Oct 07 23:44:06 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Oct 07 23:44:13 <egaudet> I'm going to guess that will never happen
Oct 07 23:44:14 <PuffTheMagic> like gdial pro is huge
Oct 07 23:44:16 <wh0dat> hmm. terminal is starting up with a blank screen now on my pre. not sure what i fuxxored up.
Oct 07 23:44:35 <PuffTheMagic> wh0dat: go to prefs and set a font size and clolr
Oct 07 23:44:46 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: im trying to take the output of ipkg info... which is almost json, and turn it into a real json
Oct 07 23:44:53 <PuffTheMagic> so that means wrapper each of the keys in ""
Oct 07 23:44:58 <PuffTheMagic> and wrapper the values in ""
Oct 07 23:44:59 <flare576> egaudet: PuffTheMagic: For what it's worth, I'd love to see patch notes in the desc, but that might just be the code-head in me wondering why I'd want to update....
Oct 07 23:45:00 <PuffTheMagic> except for Source
Oct 07 23:45:15 <wh0dat> PuffTheMagic: arn't those set to some kind of default?
Oct 07 23:45:17 <PuffTheMagic> flare576: patch noces?
Oct 07 23:45:20 <PuffTheMagic> patch notes?
Oct 07 23:45:24 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, doesn't libjson help at all?
Oct 07 23:45:29 <egaudet> you have to create your own parser
Oct 07 23:45:39 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: no libjson is very strict
Oct 07 23:45:44 <egaudet> flare576, patch notes? huh
Oct 07 23:45:55 <flare576> PuffTheMagic: yeah, when someone puts out a new version of their app, let people know what the patch  has, why they'd want it.
Oct 07 23:45:59 <PuffTheMagic> flare576: all ipks can have a full description
Oct 07 23:46:04 <rwhitby> egaudet: text in the patch file before the start of the patch
Oct 07 23:46:17 <flare576> you were saying "Shorter is the way we want to go"
Oct 07 23:46:20 <egaudet> what
Oct 07 23:46:22 <rwhitby> egaudet: flowing it through from patch author commit to ipkg description
Oct 07 23:46:45 <rwhitby> something perhaps for the future, not for now.
Oct 07 23:46:51 <destinal> wh0dat: the main issue is that you can't generally edit the databases and have your changes be effective while luna and its services have the data loaded also
Oct 07 23:46:53 <AnOutsider> success!
Oct 07 23:47:06 <AnOutsider> for whatever reason I had to call ipkg remove AFTER my postinst was done
Oct 07 23:47:14 <destinal> wh0dat: and then there's potential issues with synergy and the cloud
Oct 07 23:47:19 <egaudet> I had to regenerate a bunch of patches on gitorious so I think I lost a lot of that comment stuff :(  going through gitorious to get logs on specific files isn't fun
Oct 07 23:47:20 <wh0dat> destinal: okay, i will just kill luna
Oct 07 23:47:32 <destinal> wh0dat: services are also probably an issue
Oct 07 23:47:39 <wh0dat> lol
Oct 07 23:48:28 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: dont get distracted now
Oct 07 23:48:34 <egaudet> ok ok
Oct 07 23:48:36 <PuffTheMagic> we are on this ipkg info issue
Oct 07 23:48:36 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 07 23:48:37 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Oct 07 23:48:50 <egaudet> are you construction a json for the whole source json
Oct 07 23:49:04 <destinal> data is loaded by services, often called "luna services" or "system services" that talk to luna over dbus and often handle their own database transactions to get data.
Oct 07 23:49:13 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: go to pm
Oct 07 23:49:44 <wh0dat> PuffTheMagic: reinstalled terminal, still have a blank screen. wondered if you had any other ideas?
Oct 07 23:50:00 <zsoc> wh0dat, you have the terminal service?
Oct 07 23:50:24 <PuffTheMagic> wh0dat: why did you reinstall
Oct 07 23:50:34 <PuffTheMagic> wh0dat: go to prefs, change the font size and color
Oct 07 23:50:46 <PuffTheMagic> then make a back gesture
Oct 07 23:50:50 <wh0dat> PuffTheMagic: when all else fails, "reinstall/reboot" .. is the addage. ;-)
Oct 07 23:50:58 <PuffTheMagic> wh0dat: well its not gonna fix anything
Oct 07 23:51:01 <PuffTheMagic> reinstalling
Oct 07 23:51:22 <wh0dat> PuffTheMagic: yaeh i tried changing the font/size when you first mentioned it. did that before i reinstalled.
Oct 07 23:51:27 <zsoc> who's addage is that? steve balmers?
Oct 07 23:54:35 <AnOutsider> if anyone cares, you can create the file /media/internal/prethemer.txt with simply "1" (no quotes) inside of it
Oct 07 23:54:42 <AnOutsider> this'll let you swap themes without first uninstalling
Oct 07 23:58:18 <zsoc> AnOutsider, and.. how does that handle changing themes?
Oct 07 23:58:32 <flare576> or removing old images/files?
Oct 07 23:59:55 <AnOutsider> it runs the prerm script of the currently installed theme (as long as it's one of prethemer's themes)
Oct 08 00:00:18 <AnOutsider> then runs the postinst of the new theme. then runs ipkg remove to remove the old theme from preware
Oct 08 00:00:47 <AnOutsider> it'll only work with that file tho, so this will make sure only people who know what they're doing will do it
Oct 08 00:01:56 <flare576> that's awesome... As soon as it's functional for all themes, I'll jump on board, but I just know I'd forget and install something from precentral :(
Oct 08 00:02:10 <flare576> 'cause I'm a n00b like that.
Oct 08 00:02:25 <AnOutsider|AFK> well precentral themes dont have icons
Oct 08 00:02:28 <AnOutsider|AFK> but yeah, I have the rpecentral feed disabled on my pre so i wont make that mistake
Oct 08 00:02:40 <AnOutsider|AFK> again, that's why you have to "activate" it, to stop peopel from inadvertantly doing it
Oct 08 00:02:45 <AnOutsider|AFK> bbl
Oct 08 00:05:53 * wh0dat curses terminal.
Oct 08 00:08:21 * flare576 <3 Application:Terminal
Oct 08 00:10:47 <AnOutsider|AFK> haha i just came back to ym pc cuz i couldnt edit a file
Oct 08 00:10:57 <AnOutsider|AFK> i have no idea how to press escape in terminal
Oct 08 00:12:58 <flare576> orange+space
Oct 08 00:13:31 <flare576> share and enjoy: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal
Oct 08 00:13:44 <AnOutsider|AFK> woot!
Oct 08 00:14:48 <flare576> I need a wiki page about the new terminal developments, though: I wasn't able to find them, and someone (forget who) was talking about a better on-device terminal solution...
Oct 08 00:16:01 <AnOutsider|AFK> im gonna get nano and ssh on tis
Oct 08 00:16:05 <AnOutsider|AFK> so i can manage my servers
Oct 08 00:17:06 <flare576> I'd love to make a "I'll manage YOUR servers!" joke... but I really don't want to manage your servers :(
Oct 08 00:21:08 <jo2> how do i connect to my palm pre to see the apps installed on my phone ?
Oct 08 00:21:15 <AnOutsider|AFK> haha, no, you really wouldn't :(
Oct 08 00:22:28 <flare576> jo2: are you comfortable with Linux and command line?
Oct 08 00:23:39 <rwhitby> AnOutsider|AFK: we should work together to make your solution work for precentral themes too, since we repackage them
Oct 08 00:33:44 <kesne> howdy
Oct 08 00:34:03 <oil> so how rich are you now?
Oct 08 00:34:57 <flare576> 'prolly so rich he doesn't need to justify that with a response ;)
Oct 08 00:34:58 <jo2> flare576: no but i can learn
Oct 08 00:35:10 <oil> im curious
Oct 08 00:35:10 <jo2> flare576: just point the way
Oct 08 00:35:16 <oil> maybe ill charge you suckers for blocked
Oct 08 00:35:17 <oil> who knows
Oct 08 00:35:18 <oil> xD
Oct 08 00:35:53 <freakout-work> kesne has enough to afford some new stylish sunglasses
Oct 08 00:36:17 <flare576> jo2: well, have you gained linux access to your Pre?
Oct 08 00:36:19 <kesne> Hehe
Oct 08 00:36:33 <kesne> oil: Developers don't have dl counts yet
Oct 08 00:38:05 <freakout-work> oil: You should make the first webOS "I Am Rich" app
Oct 08 00:38:15 <freakout-work> actually, scratch that. I reckon I could make that one
Oct 08 00:38:16 <kesne> freakout-work: xD
Oct 08 00:38:30 <kesne> freakout-work: imma gonna call you Tim, is that okay?
Oct 08 00:38:48 * freakout-work is shocked by how forward kesne is
Oct 08 00:38:56 <freakout-work> Youth of today. no freaking manners
Oct 08 00:39:01 <freakout-work> (Tim is fine)
Oct 08 00:39:07 <kesne> Mr. Carroll?
Oct 08 00:39:10 <kesne> Is that better?
Oct 08 00:39:11 <jo2> flare576: ok i'll do that.  whats the next step ?
Oct 08 00:39:12 <freakout-work> LMAO
Oct 08 00:39:21 <zsoc> I call him "Mr Bossman Sir"
Oct 08 00:39:24 <freakout-work> Actually yes, Mr. Carroll is good
Oct 08 00:39:26 <freakout-work> No wait
Oct 08 00:39:32 <freakout-work> *Professor* Carroll please
Oct 08 00:39:34 <oil> Timmy?
Oct 08 00:39:45 <kesne> Big Daddy?\
Oct 08 00:40:10 <freakout-work> kesne: not unless i'm stuffing money in your waistband
Oct 08 00:40:17 <flare576> jo2: if you haven't, here's where to start http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux
Oct 08 00:40:30 <oil> is that you freakout? http://library.thinkquest.org/07aug/01266/timmy.jpg
Oct 08 00:40:35 <zsoc> freakout-work, that would be illegal i believe
Oct 08 00:41:21 <freakout-work> TIMMEAH!
Oct 08 00:41:29 <Decimate> TIMMMMMAAAHHH
Oct 08 00:41:32 <freakout-work> lol. i actually have a good TIMMEAH related story... lemme find the link...
Oct 08 00:41:37 <Decimate> BAHH DUAHHH TIMMMAAHHH
Oct 08 00:41:50 <oil> lol
Oct 08 00:42:00 <flare576> jo2: once you've done that, you can simply issue this command: du -s /var/usr/palm/applications | sort -n
Oct 08 00:42:18 <flare576> that'll tell you what's installed and how big.
Oct 08 00:42:37 <Decimate> some guy is trying to tell me saying "fuck" online is illegal... lol
Oct 08 00:43:00 <flare576> Decimate: the cops are comin' for yah!
Oct 08 00:43:08 <Decimate> lmao, this is hilarious.
Oct 08 00:43:34 <Decimate> we're having an arguement about the legallities of gamehacking to the level of which i do, and he's totally wrong, so hes making up laws and statistics.
Oct 08 00:44:28 <acydlord> lol
Oct 08 00:44:38 <jo2> flare: how do i copy files to my pc from there?
Oct 08 00:44:39 <flare576> you know what they say about stats.
Oct 08 00:44:59 <acydlord> rand()% of stats are made up on the spot
Oct 08 00:45:10 <Decimate> ;)
Oct 08 00:45:33 <flare576> jo2: I don't understand your question?
Oct 08 00:46:04 <kesne> Hey guys, want windows 7 keys?! O.o
Oct 08 00:46:18 <acydlord> i already have like 7 of them lol
Oct 08 00:46:24 <kesne> It was a joke
Oct 08 00:46:33 <jo2> flare: sorry i wanted to copy files from my pre to my pc and back.  is that doable ?
Oct 08 00:46:35 <flare576> jo2: are you trying to copy files from somewhere on the Pre (other than your USB accessible area) to your computer for some reason?
Oct 08 00:46:35 <acydlord>  /_-
Oct 08 00:47:00 <flare576> If you plug a USB cord into your computer to your Pre, it will mount as a standard USB device
Oct 08 00:47:24 <jo2> flare: but aren't the files through the USB device not the same files through commandline access ?
Oct 08 00:47:34 * acydlord just finished installing win7 epic troll edition on his laptop
Oct 08 00:48:19 <flare576> jo2: what files are you trying to get at?  Yes, you are right, you can get at more files via Command Line than you can with USB, but what are you trying to accomplish?
Oct 08 00:50:27 <jo2> flare: i installed some files through ipk and want to see if i can edit those files and copy them directly to the directory without going through palm-install
Oct 08 00:50:47 <zsoc> acydlord, isn't installing any version of windows getting trolled?
Oct 08 00:51:24 <acydlord> nah, at least with 3.1 you get solitaire and minsweeper
Oct 08 00:51:35 <acydlord> and none of those other distractions like office, email, internets
Oct 08 00:51:38 <zsoc> acydlord, remember windows 1? YOU GOT OTHELLO
Oct 08 00:52:09 <acydlord> haha, i have a dvd around here somewhere with every microsoft OS from MSDos to vista
Oct 08 00:52:24 <flare576> jo2: Yeah, if you want to get to those files, you'll need Linux access.  The link I sent before will get you started.  After you've done that there are a TON of ways to edit files on the Pre
Oct 08 00:52:38 <jo2> i have linux access now and i can see the files
Oct 08 00:52:56 <flare576> But if you want to copy things to your PC, you can must use the "mv" command and move them into /media/internal/ and then copy them over via USB
Oct 08 00:53:16 <PreMan_> hey, anyone have RemoteWin?
Oct 08 00:53:16 <jo2> btw, when i do some commands, it scrolls off the screen and the scroller doesn't work.  (i'm using novaterm) what can i do to fix that?
Oct 08 00:53:20 <PreMan_> RemoteWin-Lite that is?
Oct 08 00:53:49 <flare576> jo2: you should follow the other instructions to setup Optware and Dropbear, then use PuTTY from your PC
Oct 08 00:53:57 <PreMan_> I have v1.0.7, but the commands like double click and scroll up don't show up? and the app menu only has the "edit" stuff... does anyone know whats going on?
Oct 08 00:54:02 <zsoc> jo2, command | more
Oct 08 00:54:24 <acydlord> my ssh went retarded on me in the past few days, now it gives me "no authentication method"
Oct 08 00:54:42 <PreMan_> nvm, you have to pay to get that functionality
Oct 08 00:54:42 <zsoc> acydlord, is it possible your user got deleted during the 1.2 upgrade?
Oct 08 00:54:45 <PreMan_> ridiculous...
Oct 08 00:55:13 <acydlord> zsoc, i dont believe it did, if i open term on my pre it would ssh to localhost
Oct 08 00:55:31 <flare576> acydlord: I fixed a problem similar to that on my Pre recently, you might want to check http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches
Oct 08 00:55:42 <zsoc> acydlord, hm, to be safe try su <user> on your pre term?
Oct 08 00:55:48 <jo2> flare: ok cool thanks
Oct 08 00:55:53 <jo2> thanks zsoc
Oct 08 00:55:57 <acydlord> zsoc, good idea
Oct 08 00:56:27 <acydlord> it worked correctly zsoc
Oct 08 00:56:55 <zsoc> acydlord, then the issue isn't your user getting deleted from /etc/profile :) maybe look into flare576's info
Oct 08 00:57:27 <flare576> acydlord: I'm far, far from a guru, and the info there is limited, but it might help :)
Oct 08 00:58:05 <PreMan_> $4 is too much for remotewin... It's such a sad story.... if only I would have installed the app back when it was free and had those functions, if there ever was such a time....
Oct 08 00:58:52 <zsoc> PreMan_, I'm not sure this is the place to discuss (see: complain) reasonableness of app catalog app prices
Oct 08 00:59:03 <PreMan_> oh so sad... remotewin.... *I wanna know what love iiiiisssssss..... I want you to show me...... I wanna feel what love is........ I know you can show me..........*  Oh what I'd do for free clicking options...
Oct 08 00:59:09 <PreMan_> zsoc: understood
Oct 08 00:59:24 <zsoc> and it's certainly not a place for your terrible singing D: ;)
Oct 08 01:00:03 <PreMan_> someone has stolen my nick?
Oct 08 01:00:11 <flare576> zsoc: what singing?  what sounds?  GOD, I'M DEAF!
Oct 08 01:00:20 <PreMan_> oh no... it just decided to add '_' today
Oct 08 01:00:23 <zsoc> although my opinion on both those things completely changes after a glass of scotch, so feel free to call me on the hypocrisy
Oct 08 01:00:24 <acydlord> flare576, i was already using openssh
Oct 08 01:00:42 <acydlord> it worked about a day after the 1.2.1 patch
Oct 08 01:00:52 <acydlord> gotta retrace my steps to remember what all was changed
Oct 08 01:01:06 <zsoc> acydlord, i know 2 or 3 other people were complaining about a similar issue. I don't recall exactly what happened but it seemed to be tied to a key based issue or something
Oct 08 01:01:17 <flare576> acydlord: oh :(  I'm sorry I'm little help, then, I just barely hacked through enough to get that guide put together for 'git' lol
Oct 08 01:02:40 <rwhitby> oil: did you move the tag on preware?
Oct 08 01:02:49 <oil> no?
Oct 08 01:03:03 * zsoc moves the tag back and hopes no one notices
Oct 08 01:03:07 <rwhitby> you added some stuff after the alpha build, right?
Oct 08 01:03:12 <zsoc> hm, what? no, nothing going on here
Oct 08 01:03:14 <oil> right
Oct 08 01:03:21 <rwhitby> do you want an alpha of that?
Oct 08 01:03:50 <oil> sure?
Oct 08 01:04:01 <rwhitby> ok, move the tag and I'll push to testing
Oct 08 01:06:50 <acydlord> haha, i just trolled a job posting =x
Oct 08 01:09:05 <oil> moved it
Oct 08 01:14:20 <acydlord> bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: address already in use
Oct 08 01:14:23 <acydlord> hmm
Oct 08 01:26:44 <PreMan_> hey guys, is there any VNC-like solution out there that works better than RemoteWin-Lite?
Oct 08 01:27:15 <LurkerXXX____> PreMan: the one in Classic
Oct 08 01:27:49 <PreMan_> yes but Classic costing 29.99 brings tears to my eyes
Oct 08 01:28:20 <LurkerXXX____> you asked if there were any better woking ones, not free/cheap ones.
Oct 08 01:28:39 <PreMan_> yes, and you answered correctly
Oct 08 01:28:52 <PreMan_> but i just want that open source freedom that vnc offers
Oct 08 01:29:22 <PreMan_> and i thought webos-internals would be sooo on top of this one, but I know things are hectic and such, and I couldn't do it anyway
Oct 08 01:30:47 <zsoc> That's a very presumptuous statement.
Oct 08 01:32:01 <LurkerXXX____> there's always ssh if you only need a terminal on the remote machines.
Oct 08 01:32:31 <zsoc> LurkerXXX____, i think the problem might be he's using Windows, why is why his 'opensource' comment amused me
Oct 08 01:32:50 <LurkerXXX____> that's what I was thinking
Oct 08 01:33:56 <zsoc> er, that first why should have been a which. I have an issue where I typo a word with another word, not a misspelling. I think it's a brain problem. I've been checking my logs and it's pretty bad.
Oct 08 01:34:25 <LurkerXXX____> personally I'd love a nice rdp client on the Pre, but I make no illusions about being a open source only fanatic.  A good app is a good app, be it open source or proprietary.
Oct 08 01:35:06 <en0x> i want irc app
Oct 08 01:35:18 <zsoc> en0x, here here! i'll drink to that
Oct 08 01:35:21 <zsoc> actually, i will, brb
Oct 08 01:35:26 <en0x> lol
Oct 08 01:35:27 <LurkerXXX____> yup
Oct 08 01:35:53 <en0x> ok time to watch star trek
Oct 08 01:35:54 <en0x> ;]
Oct 08 01:36:07 <oil> what star trek?
Oct 08 01:36:13 <en0x> the new one
Oct 08 01:36:20 <Tonic_> has anyone hit the app catalog size restriction, removed apps, done a df, confirmed under 90% utilization on that file system, and still gotten the message from the catalog that you can't install more apps?
Oct 08 01:36:22 <oil> oh
Oct 08 01:36:33 <Tonic_> sorry to jump in with such a long question
Oct 08 01:37:42 <psykoz> developers don't die
Oct 08 01:37:45 <psykoz> they just close(TTY);
Oct 08 01:39:18 <Tonic_> im trying to figure out if the OS is still getting a message that the file system is at the 90% threshold
Oct 08 01:39:28 <acydlord> appears my issue is solely with openssh, dropbear still allows connections
Oct 08 01:39:52 <zsoc> Tonic_, there's 2 issues, one is an 'app limit', not a memory issue
Oct 08 01:40:17 <Tonic_> meaning the number of apps that are installed?
Oct 08 01:40:30 <Tonic_> or the cumulative size of apps installed?
Oct 08 01:40:38 <PreMan_> hey guys, i can click enter and it opens up stuff so i don't need to pay for the version of winremotelite or w/e its called! ZeeeeeeSOC!
Oct 08 01:40:53 <zsoc> Tonic_, both, they are separate issues, to my knowledge.
Oct 08 01:41:03 <Tonic_> hmmmmm
Oct 08 01:41:13 <zsoc> PreMan_, what?
Oct 08 01:41:20 <zsoc> PreMan_, are you high?
Oct 08 01:41:42 <psykoz> mmm high
Oct 08 01:41:44 <Tonic_> so removing all apps, installing from the app catalog first and then preware second is a suggested workaround?
Oct 08 01:41:52 <LurkerXXX____> According to the article on precentral, there is no app number limit.  It's space only.
Oct 08 01:42:04 <Tonic_> that was my understanding
Oct 08 01:42:28 <Tonic_> and I had heard through the grape vine that the threshold was 90% on the /var FS
Oct 08 01:42:52 <zsoc> Then maybe it's 90% :P no one else was piping up so i tried, lol
Oct 08 01:43:03 <Tonic_> I appreciate it
Oct 08 01:43:23 <Tonic_> but it still doesn't explain why I can't add apps when I am under that threshold
Oct 08 01:43:40 <Tonic_> if you are in the terminal and do a simple df, does it show that file system?
Oct 08 01:43:43 <Tonic_> or is it hidden?
Oct 08 01:44:27 <zsoc> df /var should work
Oct 08 01:45:37 <Tonic_> it says its at 20%
Oct 08 01:45:43 <Tonic_> so I somehow don't think thats my issue
Oct 08 01:46:45 <Tonic_> is anyone else having similar issues? or is everyone shying away from the app catalog until this is all figured out?
Oct 08 01:47:03 <PreMan_> oil, is named after Oil Ocean, which is a stage from Sonic The Hedgehog 2.
Oct 08 01:48:52 <kesne> PreMan_: hehe
Oct 08 01:49:30 <oil> totally not it
Oct 08 01:49:41 <oil> it makes much less sense
Oct 08 01:49:52 <acydlord> huzzah, fixed my openssh
Oct 08 01:50:13 <oil> but ive been using "oil" as my handle online for, like 14 years?
Oct 08 01:50:29 <oil> something like that
Oct 08 01:53:13 <Tonic_> I assume the lack of response means everyone is winding down and doesn't want to do "work" at this time of night :0
Oct 08 01:53:16 <Tonic_> :)
Oct 08 02:00:45 <roxfan> depends on your timezone
Oct 08 02:01:42 <Tonic_> true
Oct 08 02:01:51 <Tonic_> I think zsoc was right
Oct 08 02:02:23 <Tonic_> I checked the /var/usr/palm/applications directory and there are a lot of folders that are assocaited to apps I removed
Oct 08 02:02:42 <Tonic_> I think its the number of directories in that one that is causing the error
Oct 08 02:02:46 <Tonic_> im gonna try it out
Oct 08 02:04:06 <zsoc> Tonic_, rarely am i right
Oct 08 02:04:27 <Ikyo> any idea why the structure on git was changed?
Oct 08 02:05:27 <Tonic_> in this case, I have confidence
Oct 08 02:05:31 <Tonic_> there is something fishy
Oct 08 02:05:41 <Tonic_> space shouldn't be holding me back from downloading more apps
Oct 08 02:05:48 <Tonic_> I'm determined to find out what is
Oct 08 02:06:52 <rwhitby> Ikyo: big structure change for patches being a default feed in Preware
Oct 08 02:14:57 <JenP> hi all!
Oct 08 02:15:38 <JenP> i have a question on virtual keyboard. I tried to install it through preware but received an error "4"
Oct 08 02:15:51 <JenP> does anyone have an idea what I can do to remedy it?
Oct 08 02:16:17 <PuffTheMagic> i dont think it works with 1.2.1 yet
Oct 08 02:16:31 <JenP> works on my other phone
Oct 08 02:16:38 <PuffTheMagic> w/ 1.2.1?
Oct 08 02:16:45 <psykoz> huh
Oct 08 02:16:49 <psykoz> I'm using vkb with 1.2.1
Oct 08 02:16:50 <oil> did you check the ipkg log?
Oct 08 02:16:52 <JenP> let me dble check
Oct 08 02:17:02 <JenP> yeah log said error 4
Oct 08 02:17:06 <PuffTheMagic> psykoz: maybe egaudet update it
Oct 08 02:17:09 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Oct 08 02:17:17 <tlp> it does work
Oct 08 02:17:17 <psykoz> I installed it day 1
Oct 08 02:17:20 <psykoz> ;O
Oct 08 02:17:29 <LurkerXXX____> I had it running for a while under 1.2.1
Oct 08 02:19:54 <rwhitby> there was no change to framework from 1.2.0 to 1.2.1, so the same virtual keyboard works fine
Oct 08 02:20:17 <JenP> that's weird it was working last night but now it's not working
Oct 08 02:20:32 <rwhitby> JenP: IPKG Log menu item should say more than just error 4.
Oct 08 02:20:35 <egaudet> themes might conflict with other patches
Oct 08 02:20:45 <JenP> that's probably it
Oct 08 02:21:19 <dBsooner> Hey guys
Oct 08 02:21:29 <dBsooner> sorry I am soo late in coming around today.
Oct 08 02:21:34 <tlp> It'd be kinda cool if Preware had a "Revert all patches" feature.
Oct 08 02:21:49 <dBsooner> I got to Watch DOG againtoday at my girl's school.
Oct 08 02:21:55 <egaudet> tlp, kinda like EPR?
Oct 08 02:21:59 <tlp> eh?
Oct 08 02:22:04 <egaudet> Emergency Patch Recovery
Oct 08 02:22:09 <tlp> ah, I'll have to check that out
Oct 08 02:22:15 <egaudet> self-removing package that removes all patches and itself :P
Oct 08 02:22:25 <egaudet> (doesn't work with vkb until the next update)
Oct 08 02:22:25 <dBsooner> Then my wife, kids and I had to go over to my mom's house to have "christmas" for my Brother that is going to Afganistan.
Oct 08 02:22:29 <rwhitby> this package will self-destruct in 5 seconds ...
Oct 08 02:22:34 <tlp> does it do it gracefully? i.e. via ipkgservice
Oct 08 02:22:41 <tlp> or whatever mechanism Preware uses
Oct 08 02:22:49 <egaudet> gracefully?
Oct 08 02:22:54 <tlp> hmm
Oct 08 02:22:57 <egaudet> it does it via script
Oct 08 02:22:58 <tlp> does it do it the same way Preware does it?
Oct 08 02:23:00 <egaudet> it uses backup files
Oct 08 02:23:00 <rwhitby> tlp: it does it cleanly
Oct 08 02:23:01 <acydlord> it divides by zero
Oct 08 02:23:13 <tlp> I guess cleanly is what I mean.
Oct 08 02:23:35 <rwhitby> it's a well-engineered mass-removal system that takes advantage of the autopatch technology built into every Preware patch
Oct 08 02:23:40 <tlp> I have to speak in concepts since I don't really know how it all works.
Oct 08 02:23:46 <tlp> cool
Oct 08 02:23:58 <dBsooner> Have I missed anything?
Oct 08 02:24:01 <rwhitby> egaudet: you should use that sentence for the Description ;-)
Oct 08 02:24:15 <rwhitby> dBsooner: alpha testing latest ipkgservice and preware
Oct 08 02:24:26 <dBsooner> c service?
Oct 08 02:24:46 <rwhitby> nope, that's a long way off - need dependencies in preware first for a clean transition
Oct 08 02:24:56 <dBsooner> is the alpha version on the repo?
Oct 08 02:25:07 <rwhitby> dBsooner: testing feed
Oct 08 02:25:10 <dBsooner> thanks
Oct 08 02:25:14 <dBsooner> i'll go install
Oct 08 02:25:20 <egaudet> OK so question
Oct 08 02:25:20 <dBsooner> What all is new?
Oct 08 02:25:28 <egaudet> will a package in 2 feeds cause problems?
Oct 08 02:25:52 <rwhitby> egaudet: which package?
Oct 08 02:25:54 <egaudet> if the versions are not the same
Oct 08 02:25:55 <JenP> this is the error i got
Oct 08 02:25:56 <JenP> ERROR: An error occured while attampting to run /tmp/ipkg/Script.sh
Oct 08 02:25:56 <JenP> ERROR: mismatch md5sums
Oct 08 02:26:02 <JenP> ...
Oct 08 02:26:08 <egaudet> virtual keyboard is going to switch to autopatch feed
Oct 08 02:26:14 <rwhitby> who's script is /tmp/ipkg/Script.sh ?
Oct 08 02:26:18 <egaudet> QI
Oct 08 02:26:20 <zsoc> rwhitby, is 'autopatch technology' a fancy way of saying 'uses quilt' or am i missing something?
Oct 08 02:26:22 <JenP> idk
Oct 08 02:26:41 <rwhitby> zsoc: nope, gnu patch with magically wrappers
Oct 08 02:26:50 <dBsooner> egaudet: can I do the renaming on the build.git repo now?
Oct 08 02:26:59 <egaudet> I'm already done
Oct 08 02:26:59 <tlp> I should look into autopatch. I've never heard of it until this project.
Oct 08 02:27:05 <zsoc> rwhitby, ooo, sounds fancy :D gnu patch ftw
Oct 08 02:27:11 <dBsooner> egaudet: did you push it?
Oct 08 02:27:17 <egaudet> tlp, because it didn't exist before
Oct 08 02:27:18 <egaudet> :P
Oct 08 02:27:20 <tlp> ah
Oct 08 02:27:21 * dBsooner goes to git pull
Oct 08 02:27:30 * freakout-work thinks that sounds dirty
Oct 08 02:27:33 <Ikyo> finding damn pictures to print is such a pain in the ass
Oct 08 02:27:38 <zsoc> tlp, yeah, 'autopatch' is the 'magically wrappers' rod just spoke of ;)
Oct 08 02:28:00 <tlp> what does it do?
Oct 08 02:28:07 <egaudet> dBsooner, i never said I pushed it
Oct 08 02:28:11 <dBsooner> sigh
Oct 08 02:28:16 <Decimate> hey guys, guess what. NO MORE WINDOWS 7 KEY SELLING FOR ME :) i made enough money.
Oct 08 02:28:22 <Decimate> rod can love me again
Oct 08 02:28:26 <tlp> Checksum, backup, patch?
Oct 08 02:28:34 <tlp> (and revert)
Oct 08 02:28:42 <egaudet> even simpler
Oct 08 02:28:44 <zsoc> Decimate, rod never loved you
Oct 08 02:29:04 <zsoc> oh god, the smiting comes
Oct 08 02:29:06 * zsoc hides
Oct 08 02:29:10 <Decimate> rwhitby: thats all i am to you rod, a one night stand?
Oct 08 02:29:13 * dBsooner ducks under the rocks.
Oct 08 02:29:19 <Ikyo> I would burn Windows 7 keys before installing it :)
Oct 08 02:29:34 * freakout-work stands tall. He is confident of rwhitby's undying love for his brown-nosing
Oct 08 02:29:40 <egaudet> dry-run, log changes, smart backup, patch
Oct 08 02:29:44 <JenP> any ideas on the error?
Oct 08 02:29:46 <freakout-work> And might I say I love your hair today, rwhitby. Have you lost weight?
Oct 08 02:29:50 * tharris- says shew
Oct 08 02:30:01 <egaudet> JenP, one of the frameworks files are modified
Oct 08 02:30:20 <Decimate> rwhitby: freakout-work told me in private that he things you've gained weight! don't believe his talk for a second.
Oct 08 02:30:22 <dBsooner> Grrr..
Oct 08 02:30:29 <dBsooner> egaudet: PUSH IT!
Oct 08 02:30:30 <egaudet> if you have a theme you could remove it
Oct 08 02:30:33 <egaudet> dBsooner, no
Oct 08 02:30:33 <dBsooner> So i can fix anything you broke!
Oct 08 02:30:35 <dBsooner> YES
Oct 08 02:30:35 <egaudet> not yet
Oct 08 02:30:39 <dBsooner> Why?
Oct 08 02:30:48 <egaudet> I have to make sure it's good, once it pushes it builds
Oct 08 02:30:52 <egaudet> once it builds, users get it
Oct 08 02:30:54 <JenP> i did remove it. but i was getting that error before i put a theme on it
Oct 08 02:30:59 <dBsooner> Yeah.. I know
Oct 08 02:31:08 <dBsooner> So tar it and send it to me
Oct 08 02:31:11 <dBsooner> so I can look at it too
Oct 08 02:31:35 <dBsooner> this is why we should have made a clone repo of build.git
Oct 08 02:31:37 <dBsooner> at least the autopatch part
Oct 08 02:32:01 <freakout-work> rwhitby, I'm just concerned for your health
Oct 08 02:32:20 <dBsooner> grrr
Oct 08 02:32:26 * dBsooner is about to smite someone
Oct 08 02:32:46 <dBsooner> someone messed up my pretty gitorious repo!
Oct 08 02:33:11 <zsoc> freakout-work, dinging him makes it worse :P
Oct 08 02:33:14 <dBsooner> acydlord!
Oct 08 02:33:32 <acydlord> haha yeah, sorry about that
Oct 08 02:33:44 <acydlord> i tried to rm that one afterwords but forgot how =x
Oct 08 02:33:53 <dBsooner> git rm?
Oct 08 02:33:59 <dBsooner> git rm file...
Oct 08 02:34:43 <dBsooner> PLus didn't I have a clean timestamps alrady?
Oct 08 02:34:55 <acydlord> it was the 1.1 version
Oct 08 02:35:02 <dBsooner> it still worked
Oct 08 02:35:07 <dBsooner> ihadno issues with it.:D
Oct 08 02:35:22 <dBsooner> plus, I would have just overwritten it for 1.2
Oct 08 02:35:34 <dBsooner> if its the exact same patch, it should be overwritten
Oct 08 02:35:49 <dBsooner> but tis ok
Oct 08 02:35:52 <dBsooner> i'll fix it
Oct 08 02:35:56 <acydlord> its similar, just a few different lines of code
Oct 08 02:36:10 <dBsooner> yep, comparing the two now
Oct 08 02:36:13 <dBsooner> i'll fix it.
Oct 08 02:36:22 <acydlord> kk
Oct 08 02:36:41 <dBsooner> this is why only egaudet and I have build.git access.. So we can verify everything before we build it as a package for release. :D
Oct 08 02:37:25 <zsoc> anyone familiar with autotools willing to lend me a hand?
Oct 08 02:37:25 <dBsooner> No worries.. Thanks acydlord... I just had a long day of semi-flu like symptoms from my flu shot and had to volunteer with 800 Pre-K through 3rd graders.. then spend the evening with my bro for his Christmas.
Oct 08 02:37:37 <acydlord> yeah, he had me upload it earlier, and i didnt notice till too late that the repo was made pretty
Oct 08 02:37:48 <dBsooner> LOL
Oct 08 02:37:48 <Abyssul> Hey guys
Oct 08 02:37:56 <dBsooner> I'mgoing to put a README in the mail folder
Oct 08 02:38:01 <dBsooner> it will have thenaming convention
Oct 08 02:38:12 <dBsooner> mail = main
Oct 08 02:38:28 <acydlord> good good
Oct 08 02:38:50 <Abyssul> How do I import patches into a theme? ipk builder?
Oct 08 02:39:22 <Ikyo> this is sad that I had to reload so many phones I can do it in my sleep
Oct 08 02:39:49 <dBsooner> Ikyo!
Oct 08 02:39:56 <dBsooner> Welcome! Can you do me a favor? :D
Oct 08 02:40:25 <Ikyo> depends on what you need
Oct 08 02:40:56 <dBsooner> the SMS Tone per Contact fixed...
Oct 08 02:40:57 <dBsooner> ;)
Oct 08 02:41:19 <dBsooner> It's not defaulting to play "Notification tone" if contact message tone and global message tone are not set.
Oct 08 02:42:32 <Ikyo> Let me look at it later and see.  I will have to change some stuff around because of the name changes on my emulator.
Oct 08 02:42:48 <dBsooner> mmk
Oct 08 02:42:56 <acydlord> anyone else noticed recently that scoble has lost his relevance?
Oct 08 02:43:11 <oil> scoble?
Oct 08 02:43:28 <acydlord> i rest my case =x
Oct 08 02:44:06 <dBsooner> oil
Oct 08 02:44:14 <dBsooner> you got on-the-fly feed editing done yet? :D
Oct 08 02:44:30 <oil> it is
Oct 08 02:44:33 <AnOutsider|AFK> 500 warnings and I still get asked "So wait, I dont have to uninstall themes before installing new ones, no matter where they're from?"
Oct 08 02:44:35 <AnOutsider|AFK> *facepalm*
Oct 08 02:44:58 <dBsooner> so you can edit your conf's from inside preware now? xD
Oct 08 02:45:05 <oil> you can enable/disable
Oct 08 02:45:08 <freakout-work> AnOutsider|AFK: You're saying I don't ahve to uninstall themese before installing new ones?
Oct 08 02:45:09 <oil> there wont ever be editing
Oct 08 02:45:16 <oil> there will be add/remove/enable/disable
Oct 08 02:45:40 <dBsooner> I knew we had enable/disable.. but I was referring to adding
Oct 08 02:45:42 <rwhitby> dBsooner: we don't need any current-generation patches changed right now, do we?  i.e. can I turn the autobuilder off for autopatch
Oct 08 02:45:57 * dBsooner is too lazy to echo the test feed to the conf file
Oct 08 02:46:10 <dBsooner> rwhitby: you cavn
Oct 08 02:46:14 <dBsooner> can*
Oct 08 02:46:27 * AnOutsider|AFK bitchslaps freakout-work
Oct 08 02:46:29 <dBsooner> well wait
Oct 08 02:46:32 <Ikyo> what is the error you are seeing?  If you don't have a global tone set and a user tone set it plays what?
Oct 08 02:46:38 <dBsooner> I might be overwriting the timestamps-clean
Oct 08 02:46:40 <dBsooner> it will need built
Oct 08 02:46:43 <dBsooner> then we can turn it off
Oct 08 02:46:46 <dBsooner> just a sec and let me check
Oct 08 02:48:45 <dBsooner> acydlord: can you take a screenshot of yor patch in use and send it to me real quick?
Oct 08 02:49:02 <dBsooner> I want to see what it looks like. As I see you don't add message font styling, where the other one does.
Oct 08 02:49:31 <acydlord> dBsooner, http://twitpic.com/dty1p
Oct 08 02:49:51 <rwhitby> dBsooner: just don't touch top-level Makefile in build repo
Oct 08 02:50:10 <dBsooner> lol..why not? xD
Oct 08 02:50:29 <acydlord> i dont believe the font styling was used in the other patch, i had left it in while messing with some things
Oct 08 02:50:37 <acydlord> took that chunk out of the newer version
Oct 08 02:50:49 <AnOutsider|AFK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BrKF0W53RE
Oct 08 02:50:50 <AnOutsider|AFK> so.
Oct 08 02:50:55 <AnOutsider|AFK> quagmire is left-handed
Oct 08 02:51:04 <JamesBaud> any idea on were the icon layout on the launcher page is stored?
Oct 08 02:51:27 <oil> "i thought the internet was for nerds"
Oct 08 02:51:32 <oil> was the best quote from that episode
Oct 08 02:51:53 <dBsooner> hmm
Oct 08 02:51:57 <dBsooner> acydlord: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/8/88/Clean-timestamp.png
Oct 08 02:52:09 <dBsooner> that looks just like yours and that is the current one installed just fine on 1.2.1
Oct 08 02:53:14 <dBsooner> but ok..
Oct 08 02:53:18 <dBsooner> I'll overwrite it
Oct 08 02:53:21 <dBsooner> you're the maintainer now
Oct 08 02:53:31 <rwhitby> ok, autopatch autobuilder disabled
Oct 08 02:53:35 <dBsooner> lol
Oct 08 02:53:39 <dBsooner> I said wait rwhitby..
Oct 08 02:53:40 <dBsooner> :(
Oct 08 02:53:43 <rwhitby> dBsooner: let me know of anything that needs manual building
Oct 08 02:53:43 <acydlord> i think someone rolled a slightly updated version of my old one that had the lazy code in it
Oct 08 02:53:48 <dBsooner> ok
Oct 08 02:53:53 <dBsooner> let me push acydlord's
Oct 08 02:54:27 <egaudet> wait you disabled autopatch
Oct 08 02:55:21 <JamesBaud> how can i find were the file launcher.db is stored? the path of the file
Oct 08 02:55:22 <rwhitby> yep, I will hand-build anything that needs updating during the transition
Oct 08 02:55:59 <rwhitby> egaudet: and I'll clear out any empty dirs and old packages
Oct 08 02:56:54 <egaudet> ok pushed
Oct 08 02:57:03 <dBsooner> pulling
Oct 08 02:57:29 * dBsooner forgot we renamed everythign anyway, so no old style packages will actually get "rebuilt"
Oct 08 02:59:09 <egaudet> yea but people would be able to try to install all the new ones
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