**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 09 03:00:00 2009 Oct 09 03:01:58 egaudet, nevermind, fixed that too. thanks for fielding my questions :) Oct 09 03:04:44 Looking for an alpha tester for ipkgservice 0.9.7 .. Oct 09 03:05:40 i'm agem Oct 09 03:05:44 *game, too Oct 09 03:05:47 is it in testing feed? Oct 09 03:06:06 zsoc: big things right now are public webos-patches release for next preware release and dependencies for next+1 release Oct 09 03:06:10 yep, testing feed. Oct 09 03:06:32 what versions of preware is it compatible with? Oct 09 03:07:43 i have 0.9.2 Oct 09 03:09:45 night all Oct 09 03:10:08 * oil was asleep Oct 09 03:12:51 zsoc: 0.9.2 or 0.9.3 (also in testing) Oct 09 03:13:12 3 Oct 09 03:14:01 oil: 0.9.7 ipkgservice should work with 0.9.2 still Oct 09 03:14:59 zsoc: can you test that? 0.9.7 ipkgservice and 0.9.2 preware ? Oct 09 03:15:32 yes, doing now, sorry, trying to find the prerm for the service :P Oct 09 03:16:12 there Oct 09 03:16:37 finished with maintainers Oct 09 03:16:44 and homepage/websites Oct 09 03:18:13 hmmm, what would you folks consider an acceptable way to "inform the user" that a registration is happening? just a scrim with the scroller spinning until the action is done? :D Oct 09 03:18:41 dBsooner: has it all gone through to the feed yet? Oct 09 03:19:01 I haven't bumped META_VERSION.. Oct 09 03:19:11 maybe you could whipe the feed and force build? :D Oct 09 03:19:49 nope Oct 09 03:20:25 (literally, cause mason is currently down for a HD controller firmware upgrade) Oct 09 03:20:32 nice Oct 09 03:20:50 so i guess they wouldn't be in the feed yet then would they? :D Oct 09 03:21:15 rwhitby, the new postinst doesn't seem to make the file system writeable Oct 09 03:21:25 ouch Oct 09 03:21:39 zsoc: really? what are you seeing? Oct 09 03:22:01 cause all I changed was reporting of an error on remount,ro Oct 09 03:22:06 2 symlinking and a cp failing, last command is "cp: cannot create '/etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice': Read-only file system" Oct 09 03:22:34 zsoc, are you running it command line Oct 09 03:22:50 ... yes... why would the postinst be different either way? Oct 09 03:22:56 the service does remount, if you run postinst manually you have to do remount first Oct 09 03:23:03 what he said Oct 09 03:23:04 unless WQI does the rw mounting? Oct 09 03:23:16 WQI and ipkservice do the rw Oct 09 03:23:20 oh, i did it without on purpose thinking it would do it, lol Oct 09 03:23:20 postinst doesn't Oct 09 03:23:23 i see, gotcha Oct 09 03:24:29 anything in particular we're testing? just 'not exploding' stuff? Oct 09 03:24:51 zsoc: just not exploding Oct 09 03:24:58 make sure you can install something with a postinst Oct 09 03:25:27 dBsooner: as soon as you make the feed update, we'll release Oct 09 03:25:37 you said mason was down Oct 09 03:27:01 rwhitby, is the autopatch feed supposed to be loaded by default now or no? Oct 09 03:31:24 zsoc: in 0.9.3 Oct 09 03:31:33 ah ok Oct 09 03:31:57 well everything works with 0.9.2 Oct 09 03:32:02 i can try 0.9.3 now Oct 09 03:37:47 * rwhitby posts http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/208312-autopatch-transitioning-webos-patches-feed.html as a pre-emptive strike Oct 09 03:39:30 dBsooner: does that post cover everything? Oct 09 03:39:41 sirry Oct 09 03:39:43 let me read Oct 09 03:39:52 I was creating a new emaill addy on my exchange server Oct 09 03:40:19 788 posts? jeeze Oct 09 03:41:00 Yessir.. it does Oct 09 03:41:05 would you like me to sticky and close it? Oct 09 03:42:08 * oil thinks post needs more bolds and red and large text Oct 09 03:42:16 ? Oct 09 03:42:18 ? Oct 09 03:42:26 lol Oct 09 03:42:27 rwhitby, 0.9.3 should have the autopatch feed by default? or not till it's released? because it's not over here Oct 09 03:42:29 yay, google lattitude is working flawlessly Oct 09 03:42:37 rwhitby: do you want me to close and sticky it? Oct 09 03:42:43 but yeah.. needs to be flashier. Oct 09 03:45:46 zsoc: ipkgservice 0.9.7 has the webos-patches feed by default Oct 09 03:46:05 dBsooner: sticky, but don't close - we want people to report problems in it Oct 09 03:46:16 ok Oct 09 03:46:19 stickied Oct 09 03:47:24 or "stuck" Oct 09 03:47:24 lol Oct 09 03:48:15 ok, are we good to go? Oct 09 03:49:25 * rwhitby has the finger on the button ... Oct 09 03:49:32 pull the trigger Oct 09 03:50:12 dBsooner: does the feed have the maintainers? Oct 09 03:50:12 shoot!@ Oct 09 03:50:17 oh shoot Oct 09 03:50:27 rebuild it Oct 09 03:50:28 ;) Oct 09 03:50:58 it will save me a lot of time from sed replacing the META_VERSION line Oct 09 03:50:59 doing it Oct 09 03:52:19 wow Oct 09 03:52:22 this beer is awesome Oct 09 03:52:26 where's Puff.... Oct 09 03:52:31 exactly! Oct 09 03:52:38 I have been slapping him with my dirty socks for hours Oct 09 03:52:44 and he hasn't even sniffed once. Oct 09 03:53:00 it's cuz ur gay, and I heard your sawkz were pink Oct 09 03:53:06 Can someone do me the flavor of shooting me an email to test my new addy: dBsooner@dbtrunk.com Oct 09 03:54:35 I can if nobody else has. Oct 09 03:54:46 don't matter.. I like spam Oct 09 03:54:47 ;) Oct 09 03:55:03 lol.. j/k.. I don't even havfe my phone by me.. but sure.. shoot it my way Oct 09 03:55:17 * psykoz shoots it in dBsooner's direction Oct 09 03:55:25 oh lord Oct 09 03:55:35 * psykoz hits dBsooner with those laser beams Oct 09 03:55:37 rwhitby: be sure to "edit" that comment in the logs. Oct 09 03:56:06 rwhitby, just throwing this out there.. my feed wasn't pre loaded :P Oct 09 03:56:37 zsoc: sure it would be Oct 09 03:56:43 once 0.9.3 is insatlled Oct 09 03:56:51 dBsooner, I have both installed now Oct 09 03:56:52 at least mine was Oct 09 03:56:53 mine didn't go through because I typed .co instead of .com, but it sounds like others are sending anyway Oct 09 03:57:30 zsoc: do you have /var/etc/ipkg/webos-patches.conf ? Oct 09 03:57:33 dBsooner, well, i had the old autopatch feed package installed.. this might have caused an issue. which wouldn't be cool, because many people have it installed Oct 09 03:57:52 zsoc: the ipkgservice postinst removes the autopatch feed. Oct 09 03:58:03 zsoc: I suspect you haven't run the postinst properly. Oct 09 03:58:16 rwhitby, it's there, yeah Oct 09 03:58:17 autopatch.conf gets deleted by postinst script Oct 09 03:58:42 i def ran it... i can run it again? Oct 09 04:00:20 zsoc: if webos-patches.conf is there, and autopatch.conf is not there, then all is good. just update your feeds in preware Oct 09 04:00:51 feeds update everytime i start preware. i'm not saying 'im stuck', i'm just saying these are the types of things that would confuse a user :) Oct 09 04:01:51 unless having to manually 'update feed' is expected protocol, because that did it Oct 09 04:01:53 loading feeds != updating them Oct 09 04:01:57 OH Oct 09 04:02:02 I actually didn't know that. Oct 09 04:02:27 Hm. Everything all of a sudden makes more sense now Oct 09 04:02:37 glad i could help you out Oct 09 04:02:39 like a light switch Oct 09 04:02:47 its only updating if you see the "updating" status text Oct 09 04:02:48 post updated. Oct 09 04:02:50 one simple statement of != and all is clear Oct 09 04:02:57 and it should only do that if its manually ran Oct 09 04:03:07 or you its up to update based on your settings Oct 09 04:03:15 -you Oct 09 04:03:32 yeah, i have it on 'once daily' Oct 09 04:03:36 * zsoc wipes egg of his face Oct 09 04:03:37 yeah Oct 09 04:03:46 which is really once every 24 hours Oct 09 04:03:47 lol Oct 09 04:03:52 but once daily sounds better Oct 09 04:03:55 rwhitby: I'll give you a dollar to put "Not By Jason" somewher ein there Oct 09 04:03:56 great, canuck-software feed xml is offline Oct 09 04:03:59 Heck, 10 dollars Oct 09 04:04:03 rwhitby: disable it Oct 09 04:04:04 xD Oct 09 04:04:15 Now if only I could get ldb4 to build, we'd have a working camcorder app :P Oct 09 04:04:31 dBsooner: the joke is old, he's not the cause, and it actually causes him more hassle than it causes us. Oct 09 04:04:52 rwhitby, i'm finally on your side with this. last night it amused me still, totally over it now tho. Oct 09 04:05:50 rwhitby, this may not be the best time, but i've been meaning to ask you, what's your take on a homebrew/open source 'fileindexer' service? Oct 09 04:05:58 Agreed. But people still (hourly) think he is responsible for everything that goes on. Point in note was egaudets post earlier today telling someone about how "restarting luna" is only to "commit changes" and someone replied about how "jason said restarting luna commits changes earlier" Oct 09 04:06:07 thnking Egaudet's post was actually jason. Oct 09 04:06:10 It was classy. Oct 09 04:06:28 But, I digress. I agree. I will drop the joke from my vocab. Oct 09 04:06:53 I think years of Rod being the hero behind the curtain is finally getting to him ;) Oct 09 04:08:07 ouch, killed the channel... just a joke people :< Oct 09 04:08:08 he's the hand inside the puppet.. everything would fail without him, but yet no one knows he's there or who he is. Kermit gets all the credit. Oct 09 04:08:47 I'm really stuck on this ldb4 thing. It's irritating me. I've never been stuck on an issue more than 1 day before Oct 09 04:09:04 i often times think webos internals is rwhitby's full time job Oct 09 04:09:06 Of course I haven't actually _worked_ on this issue as much as others.. but still. Oct 09 04:09:31 bpadalino: it's not? Oct 09 04:09:34 and he is independently wealthy out there in australia Oct 09 04:09:48 bpadalino, i thought he was still pretty involved in the uh.. lsu..l..2.. thingy too Oct 09 04:10:18 * dBsooner is going to Australlia for a trip soon (not really), rwhitby doesn't know it yet but his house is my desitnation hotel. Oct 09 04:10:28 ha Oct 09 04:10:46 dBsooner: please check that the feeds have maintainer info now, then we can release Oct 09 04:10:56 you're killin me smalls Oct 09 04:11:02 * dBsooner goes to look Oct 09 04:11:21 can you shell into ipkg? Oct 09 04:11:53 ipkg info *.ipk | grep MAINTAINER | grep " Oct 09 04:11:53 i love how he can ignore things so well. I just picture him sitting in his suit behind a desk shaking his head at the comments, and moving to other windows to fix things. Oct 09 04:12:09 suit? Oct 09 04:12:26 s/grep "/grep "?"/ Oct 09 04:12:26 dBsooner meant: ipkg info *.ipk | grep MAINTAINER | grep "?" Oct 09 04:12:46 lol.. at least a suit TOP Oct 09 04:12:58 s/suit/grey hair/ Oct 09 04:13:00 zsoc meant: i love how he can ignore things so well. I just picture him sitting in his grey hair behind a desk shaking his head at the comments, and moving to other windows to fix things. Oct 09 04:13:08 lol Oct 09 04:13:15 ~botsnack Oct 09 04:13:15 :), dBsooner Oct 09 04:13:24 zing! Oct 09 04:13:34 dBsooner: which patches are jasons? Oct 09 04:13:55 he is listed as ONE of FOUR in browser-multi-mod Oct 09 04:14:03 that was one of the final 5 commits Oct 09 04:15:18 so in the episode of heroes I just watched, they use Pres Oct 09 04:15:26 ok, we're releasing now Oct 09 04:15:28 lol Oct 09 04:15:38 and when he was on a call, he shut the slider to end the call... LIARS Oct 09 04:15:53 Maintainer: Mark Klein , drnull , fritos1406, Jason Robitaille Oct 09 04:16:03 you're good to go Oct 09 04:16:29 must have had the close-to-hangup patch installed Oct 09 04:16:35 hey! a package by jason! Oct 09 04:16:37 xD Oct 09 04:16:47 Jason sent me like 6 .patch files but I didn't put him maintainer for them Oct 09 04:16:54 taht would be: phone-close-to-hangup Oct 09 04:17:09 i am no good at naming patches :( Oct 09 04:17:13 lol Oct 09 04:17:17 me either Oct 09 04:17:36 phone-close-to-end-call Oct 09 04:17:37 egaudet: it's past your bedtime Oct 09 04:17:42 yea no crap Oct 09 04:17:58 phone-close-to-disconnect Oct 09 04:18:40 so if you be persistent we should have 15-30 new patches by the end of next week Oct 09 04:18:53 and you should make them all and maintain them all Oct 09 04:19:12 and we really need to get webos compatibility in there before something screws it up Oct 09 04:19:13 lol Oct 09 04:19:25 * oil is ready to add it to 094 Oct 09 04:20:11 ok, release is done. who is able to do the upgrade by the steps I posted to double check? Oct 09 04:20:48 * oil has pushed the start of 094 with dependencies so we can get testing out of it Oct 09 04:24:25 Is it still possible to download the webos doctor jar file anywhere? All I get from palm themselves is the jnlp and I dunno where it puts the jar? Oct 09 04:24:32 I'd love to try like last night, but I'm at work so anything require novacom is completely out. Oct 09 04:24:39 dont you just rename jnlp to jar? Oct 09 04:24:58 I was pretty sure jnlp ran that java downloader thing Oct 09 04:25:03 i have no clue Oct 09 04:27:01 Sloloem: check our wiki page on webos doctor versions Oct 09 04:29:25 * rwhitby is testing upgrade paths from autopatch to webos-patches starting with preware 0.9.1 Oct 09 04:32:31 ok, that all seems to work as expected. you can use preware back as early as 0.9.1 with latest ipkservice Oct 09 04:32:39 (and maybe earlier) Oct 09 04:33:23 y'know, you'd think --disable-mutex WOULD DISABLE CHECKING FOR MUTEXES. arrrgghhhhhhhh Oct 09 04:35:10 Yes, thanks for that, rwhitby Oct 09 04:35:58 * freakout-work has allergy test numbers all up his arms and looks like a pre-release prototype Oct 09 04:36:44 * oil was about to make a joke Oct 09 04:37:23 freakout-work, what are they lookin for Oct 09 04:37:33 i'm alertic to not only tree nuts, but peanuts as well Oct 09 04:37:45 ouch Oct 09 04:37:59 Technobabble: wow Oct 09 04:38:49 so what are they lookin for? Oct 09 04:39:39 Technobabble: they were looking for seafood allergies, other stuff Oct 09 04:39:48 i'm joining the army, doc was concerned Oct 09 04:39:57 australia has an army? Oct 09 04:40:00 but i passed. apparently only allergic to dust mites Oct 09 04:40:14 oil: yep. we like to hide it so other countries are taken by surprise Oct 09 04:40:22 lol Oct 09 04:40:43 they use the ninja tactic Oct 09 04:40:47 it's rather effective. Oct 09 04:40:55 we invade via IRC Oct 09 04:41:21 and then take out all communications on the Pre's of the oppositio Oct 09 04:41:33 n Oct 09 04:43:27 DDOS invasions. i'm gonna be a telecoms tech so actually that might be part of it, lol Oct 09 04:43:39 lol Oct 09 04:49:58 is preware releasing soon ? Oct 09 04:50:12 it is already isnt it? Oct 09 04:50:46 oh yea manual feed update Oct 09 04:50:46 it did Oct 09 04:50:54 so, instead of feeds from the preferences appmenu, thoughts on: http://i33.tinypic.com/52qok.png Oct 09 04:51:57 thoughts on what? Oct 09 04:52:11 the button on the top right Oct 09 04:52:13 oil: that's too easy to find Oct 09 04:52:15 instead of putting it in the appmenu Oct 09 04:52:32 oil: You should make them go through a Da Vinci Code-style chase throught the Vatican to find the menu Oct 09 04:52:39 oil your screenshot is already how it is? Oct 09 04:52:43 no Oct 09 04:52:50 right now its in the app menu of the preferences scene Oct 09 04:52:55 this is my proposed change Oct 09 04:53:02 since rwhitby thought the app menu wasn't apparent enough Oct 09 04:53:27 looks pretty good oil Oct 09 04:53:29 ooh i see Oct 09 04:53:49 To all that need it: My official email for all WebOS dev work is dBsooner@dbtrunk.com Oct 09 04:54:00 Feel free to give that out to people you see fit. Oct 09 04:54:19 To those that have my main email address, keep it too. :D Oct 09 04:54:27 * oil begins using it as the reply-to for all spams he sends Oct 09 04:54:41 i know i know Oct 09 04:54:54 luckily I manage my own exchange cluster so I gots some hella spam blockers Oct 09 04:55:15 you should see my %'s of Blocks compared to %'s of delivereds. Oct 09 04:55:16 * acydlord loadsup spamyourenemies.com Oct 09 04:55:17 whats the java service reboot cli? Oct 09 04:55:20 i miss that website Oct 09 04:58:14 applicationg PROBABLY updated? Oct 09 04:58:19 probably!? Oct 09 04:58:28 lol Oct 09 04:58:36 That's conforting. Oct 09 04:58:43 what said that? Oct 09 04:58:44 really lol Oct 09 04:58:48 preware said that Oct 09 04:58:53 when updating preware Oct 09 04:58:54 s/conforting/comforting/ Oct 09 04:58:54 dBsooner meant: That's comforting. Oct 09 04:58:59 and gave me ok and ipkg log Oct 09 04:59:03 hm Oct 09 04:59:14 when preware updates prewaer Oct 09 04:59:17 it should close Oct 09 04:59:21 on its own Oct 09 04:59:24 while its updating Oct 09 04:59:26 yeah, mine closes on its own Oct 09 04:59:26 so it was obviously because i was restarting java and all but still Oct 09 04:59:27 probably Oct 09 04:59:29 hehe Oct 09 04:59:34 thats the propper response Oct 09 04:59:40 because the service didn't respond with ok Oct 09 04:59:45 it responded with "this isn't running anymore" Oct 09 04:59:49 so its probably installed Oct 09 04:59:56 but it wasn't Oct 09 05:00:02 (message is there for services that restart java) Oct 09 05:00:08 that dont use flags Oct 09 05:00:12 like puffs *cough* Oct 09 05:00:23 lol Oct 09 05:00:26 i don't get it Oct 09 05:00:36 if you try to install a service Oct 09 05:00:41 and its not using restart flags Oct 09 05:00:43 if you update a service why does that service have to respond? Oct 09 05:00:46 and restarts java in the postinst Oct 09 05:00:55 oooh Oct 09 05:01:02 the ipkgservice responds with "we're not running" Oct 09 05:01:04 oh i get it Oct 09 05:01:06 in the middle of installation Oct 09 05:01:12 but its probably successfully installed Oct 09 05:05:13 * dBsooner goes to sign up on twitter.. Oct 09 05:09:25 lol Oct 09 05:11:35 oil Oct 09 05:11:42 can you do me a flavor? Oct 09 05:11:52 purple is the best flavor Oct 09 05:11:57 green Oct 09 05:12:20 man why you wastin' my flavor Oct 09 05:12:51 Can you edit my avatar for me.. Making it more webos-internals official-like.. Maybe put Patch Meister in it or something? xD ... /me sucks at graphics. Oct 09 05:13:00 lol @ rwhitby "see step x" Oct 09 05:13:28 i suck at graphics, too Oct 09 05:13:49 sigh. Oct 09 05:14:01 I was diggin your icons, figured you was good. ;) Oct 09 05:14:27 the only ones i actually created were the worst ones Oct 09 05:14:39 the rest were just me putting hte patch icon in the corner and changing the colors Oct 09 05:15:48 Templarian is the one you want to talk to Oct 09 05:15:58 dBsooner, you know you could have just im'd yourself for messaging screenshots Oct 09 05:16:07 i know Oct 09 05:16:12 I am going to make better ones later Oct 09 05:16:21 i wasw just in a hurry to get them done Oct 09 05:16:37 a rush job? Oct 09 05:16:46 anyone here? Oct 09 05:16:54 no Oct 09 05:17:22 (that was a joke) Oct 09 05:17:31 s/that was/i am Oct 09 05:17:39 bazinga Oct 09 05:17:48 I updated preware now its not working any suggestions Oct 09 05:17:50 ;( Oct 09 05:17:55 i sorry Oct 09 05:18:22 so tweed is the shiznet? Oct 09 05:18:38 jmyadagod: how so is it not working? Oct 09 05:18:44 did you update the service first? Oct 09 05:19:22 no just got pre today didn't know I had to Oct 09 05:19:25 hey oil did dependencies make it in this releaes or next? Oct 09 05:19:35 next Oct 09 05:19:49 (or you could clone 094 from the repo and palm-package it yourself to test it) Oct 09 05:20:17 can I fix it? Oct 09 05:20:29 jmyadagod: see step 1 of http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/208312-autopatch-transitioning-webos-patches-feed.html Oct 09 05:20:54 ofcourse pc is crappin out right now Oct 09 05:20:57 (is for me anyways) Oct 09 05:21:10 hey rwhitby, how many times did you say you have to update the ipkg service first? Oct 09 05:21:15 yea it's that time of night for precentral to get sluggish Oct 09 05:21:34 egaudet: that's just all my See step X replies. Oct 09 05:21:57 you forgot the "uninstall VKB" step Oct 09 05:22:06 egaudet: it's there now. Oct 09 05:22:27 rwhitby: thoughts on the feeds button? Oct 09 05:22:34 ok so I get that I was upposed to do the other first is there a way to go back? Oct 09 05:22:45 * dBsooner is rolling over Oct 09 05:22:46 keep feeds hidden Oct 09 05:22:53 this is absolutely hilarious! Oct 09 05:23:11 The amount of people that "didn't upgrade the ipkg service first" Oct 09 05:23:13 jmyadagod: try installing the new package manager service with webos quick install Oct 09 05:23:42 dBsooner: don't blame the people - there are only narrow communications channels, so many will miss it. Oct 09 05:23:52 I understand that. Oct 09 05:23:57 ok thanks will try Oct 09 05:24:16 it's all oil's fault Oct 09 05:24:25 When you read through the thread, it's funny. Looking behind the scenes, it's understandable. Oct 09 05:25:04 so the next goal is themes Oct 09 05:25:13 immediate goal Oct 09 05:25:31 for AP Oct 09 05:26:02 egaudet, you familiar with how to use novacom put? Oct 09 05:26:29 * dBsooner is now on twitter.. who shall I add besides the obvious? (webosinternals, precentral, palm, sprint, sprint adp, sprint updates, bmms, etc) Oct 09 05:26:37 zsoc, a little Oct 09 05:26:44 we need a flycast app for the pre. Oct 09 05:26:50 novacom put file:///path/on/pre < localfile Oct 09 05:27:07 something like that Oct 09 05:27:57 genius, ty Oct 09 05:28:11 just have to make sure you specify the name of the file on the pre as well :) Oct 09 05:30:17 yea forgot that :P Oct 09 05:30:24 * oil takes "no comment" from rwhitby to mean: "looks super awesome" Oct 09 05:30:33 oil: See step 0. Oct 09 05:30:54 (yeah, I think it's an improvement ;-) Oct 09 05:31:00 lol Oct 09 05:31:10 in the future Oct 09 05:31:18 ill try to only ask questions that are one of the steps Oct 09 05:31:49 anyways, that button goes to the feeds scene Oct 09 05:31:56 and the feeds scene has a preferences button in the same spot Oct 09 05:32:01 can we create one giant webos-internals step program Oct 09 05:32:02 they're on the same level Oct 09 05:32:09 so this channel can just be full of Oct 09 05:32:11 step 3884 Oct 09 05:32:14 step 149504 Oct 09 05:32:16 step 13 Oct 09 05:34:02 no ok, bed time, night all Oct 09 05:34:46 egaudet: see step 12 Oct 09 05:34:51 which reads "later" Oct 09 05:34:55 lol Oct 09 05:34:57 lol Oct 09 05:37:23 * freakout-work looks at step 12 Oct 09 05:37:33 lol Oct 09 05:37:35 Hey, that doesn't say "later" Oct 09 05:37:42 It says "screw you egaudet" Oct 09 05:37:49 oil, where's your respect? Oct 09 05:38:35 thats step 13 Oct 09 05:40:07 * freakout-work looks. Sees step 13 is just a pic of oil mooning. Oct 09 05:40:11 I think I'm done with the steps. Oct 09 05:40:53 lol Oct 09 05:48:02 what did I miss? Oct 09 05:48:41 1.3 was released Oct 09 05:48:43 hmagoo: 1.3 Oct 09 05:48:47 xD Oct 09 05:49:16 hmagoo: It replaced webOS with WinCE Oct 09 05:49:27 there was much rejoicing Oct 09 05:49:49 damnit, why did i have to watch ytcracker vids earlier Oct 09 05:50:00 i was just counting the bills in my pocket singing LOL Money Oct 09 05:50:34 1.3? holy crap, do I have to uninstall preware and change my ssh login name to hmangoo???!! HELKP!!! WHAT DO I DO BEFORE I UPDATE?!?!?!?! HOW CUMZ NOBODY TOLD ME? Oct 09 05:50:47 WILL QUICK INSTALL SAVE ME?!?!?! Oct 09 05:50:58 hmagoo: See step 1. Oct 09 05:51:05 oil's a girl?!!?!?! Oct 09 05:51:44 oil: switch between feeds and prefs works for me. nice solution. Oct 09 06:01:57 its in the repo if you wanna play with it Oct 09 06:02:02 So, the world hasn't ended yet due to the webos-patches feed transition? Oct 09 06:02:12 mine just did Oct 09 06:02:33 hmagoo: couldn't have - it would have happened here hours earlier. Oct 09 06:03:11 I was in a plane? Oct 09 06:03:32 you would have needed to be between me and the date line. Oct 09 06:03:59 we have dates here... Oct 09 06:04:16 they grow on trees Oct 09 06:05:23 monkeys like dates Oct 09 06:05:32 0 monkeys Oct 09 06:06:07 if I edited bar-assistant.js will EPR work? Oct 09 06:06:43 to remove the battery percent patch.. Oct 09 06:07:42 if battery percent editted bar-assistant.js Oct 09 06:08:03 EPR will return bar-assistant.js back to the state it was in before the first patch using autopatch technology touched it Oct 09 06:08:19 wha, i thought you went to sleep Oct 09 06:08:20 so if you did edit, patch, epr it would still have your manual edit only Oct 09 06:08:22 i did Oct 09 06:08:26 lol Oct 09 06:08:27 haha Oct 09 06:08:37 then i had to fix a vkb install bug Oct 09 06:09:09 ty Oct 09 06:09:15 I think Oct 09 06:09:20 lol Oct 09 06:10:00 general path to bar-assistant? Oct 09 06:10:19 something like /usr/lib/luna/luna-systemui .... Oct 09 06:10:38 did you manually edit before or after battery patch? Oct 09 06:11:29 pretty sure after, or it wouldn't have patched Oct 09 06:11:37 not necessarily Oct 09 06:12:01 if you did it after though EPR will work fine since it saved the backup before your edit. Oct 09 06:13:01 got it /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers Oct 09 06:13:44 ok good night Oct 09 06:14:27 ty.. Oct 09 06:14:50 http://imgur.com/7MX4W.png <- lol Oct 09 06:15:21 lol Oct 09 06:15:41 what's funny about it? Oct 09 06:15:51 I put autopatch.conf in there myself, never installed the package. when do I delete that, when do I run EPR, when do I update package manager? Oct 09 06:15:57 2 things really Oct 09 06:16:18 one; ubuntu costs $30. two; they are out of stock of ubuntu Oct 09 06:17:01 I missed the out of stock part. Oct 09 06:17:03 that is funny Oct 09 06:17:24 It's also a crappy crappy double crappy price. Oct 09 06:17:27 how can they charge for ubuntu? Oct 09 06:17:40 I could build a MUCH better Mini-ITX system for that money Oct 09 06:17:52 they charge to install it Oct 09 06:17:53 $30 to go through the install procedure amazing Oct 09 06:18:02 egaudet: Simple, there's no law against selling GPL software, and they can charge for installation too. Oct 09 06:18:25 HORRID system Oct 09 06:18:31 so 30 for the install, that means they are charging roughly $120 an hour to install the os Oct 09 06:18:33 I could sell you a copy of the Gimp for $1000 if you were an idiot and I didn't lie about what I was selling you. Oct 09 06:18:40 they must be making away like bandits Oct 09 06:18:49 hmagoo, autopatch.conf will be removed for you by updating ipkgservice Oct 09 06:18:59 best buy out here has ubuntu on the shelf for $60 Oct 09 06:19:05 k, thanks Oct 09 06:19:11 run EPR before or after ipgkservice update doesn't matter Oct 09 06:19:28 yes, but that is a Mini-ITX system. The whole thing is probably 10 inches square and 4 inches tall Oct 09 06:19:47 acydlord, seriously Oct 09 06:20:13 yeah, comes in a nifty box with a sticker Oct 09 06:20:14 for reals Oct 09 06:20:29 pics? Oct 09 06:20:32 at least they are selling official copies of ubuntu. pretty sure some of the money goes back to canonical Oct 09 06:20:56 pics or it didn't happen Oct 09 06:21:11 +1 Oct 09 06:21:28 hmagoo: ipkgservice upgrade will delete the autopatch.conf Oct 09 06:21:34 I worked at BB for a while,and I never saw anything like this in the system Oct 09 06:21:35 :S Oct 09 06:21:46 k Oct 09 06:22:13 http://blog.canonical.com/?p=18 Oct 09 06:22:38 well, that's a pic... Oct 09 06:22:42 oil suggestion, in the feeds on/off screen maybe give option if i tap the feed to go list me what is in it Oct 09 06:23:21 maybe Oct 09 06:23:58 low priority i know Oct 09 06:24:07 step 145 Oct 09 06:24:17 lol Oct 09 06:24:41 im just afraid tapping the feed would be accidential to tapping hte toggle Oct 09 06:24:52 i disabled 2 feeds Oct 09 06:24:55 swipe back twice Oct 09 06:24:58 now I'm at a spinner Oct 09 06:25:03 now its swipe back once Oct 09 06:25:04 with the word Done! Oct 09 06:25:20 and you were at the spinner because you went to the preferences scene from the update scene Oct 09 06:25:46 no more swipe back Oct 09 06:25:52 :( Oct 09 06:25:55 the spinner is the first scene Oct 09 06:26:03 there is no back Oct 09 06:26:05 back is nothing Oct 09 06:26:07 manually tapping update feeds Oct 09 06:26:21 i shouldn't be spinning on Done though Oct 09 06:26:26 epr'ing back to the stone ages Oct 09 06:26:34 it was on done? Oct 09 06:26:39 it should have moved on to the main scene Oct 09 06:26:49 no it said "Done!" and wa spinning Oct 09 06:26:50 forever Oct 09 06:26:53 until I updated feeds Oct 09 06:27:20 huh Oct 09 06:27:24 well, ill think about that Oct 09 06:27:54 k :P I'll give ya more bugs tomorrow Oct 09 06:27:58 now I'm really going to sleep Oct 09 06:29:59 does anyone know if there's a way to remove users via the command line for webos Oct 09 06:30:38 deluser/userdel? Oct 09 06:30:48 how long does epr take? Oct 09 06:30:58 nm Oct 09 06:31:09 tried the deluser/userdel and they don't seem to work Oct 09 06:31:22 you guys excited about LCROSS? Oct 09 06:31:50 epr is installed? I have to remove it? Oct 09 06:32:38 epr? Oct 09 06:32:52 emergency patch recovery Oct 09 06:33:02 ah Oct 09 06:33:13 ok nm Oct 09 06:33:24 step 22 Oct 09 06:35:20 My pre says "Sorry, Not enough memory to reboot." Oct 09 06:35:22 j/k Oct 09 06:40:55 hmm. what happened to blockdrop, oil? Oct 09 06:41:32 * freakout-work suddenly wonders why he asked oil by default Oct 09 06:41:50 its in the catalog for money Oct 09 06:43:06 or it was rather Oct 09 06:44:49 yeah, the 'was' was what i meant. Oct 09 06:45:11 wonder if EA had something to do with it... Oct 09 06:45:50 it wouldnt surprise me Oct 09 06:49:32 ok, which one of you jokers is 02589 on PreCentral ;-) Oct 09 06:50:03 link ;) Oct 09 06:50:27 haha, the one that said the jason thing :P Oct 09 06:51:18 nm, hah Oct 09 06:53:37 emkman pEEf destinal tharris- Oct 09 06:53:42 one of them? Oct 09 07:24:10 gah, precentral goes down just as I wrote a post that said more than See step X. Oct 09 07:26:29 haha Oct 09 07:26:41 i used to use a blogging website that would do that all the time Oct 09 07:26:53 got into the habbit of doing everything in notepad and then copypasta Oct 09 07:27:04 reminds me that i still want to make a wordpress client for the pre Oct 09 07:28:20 Yeah! Get on that! Oct 09 07:33:31 * rwhitby posts http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1962836 Oct 09 07:40:26 okay, seems slow enough around here that I won't be interupting. Does anybody know what the LED service is for? I understand the basic concept, but I've yet to find anything that uses it, and I've searched the forums and the internals wiki. Oct 09 07:46:17 VeeDubb65-Steve: there is no application which uses it. Oct 09 07:51:14 rwhitby: ah, I was starting to suspect that. Just a proof on concept library in case anybody wants it later. Oct 09 07:51:33 thanks Oct 09 07:52:25 yeah, it should really have an example app like accelservice and accelexample. Oct 09 07:52:37 freakout: so, have you written your scoop? Oct 09 07:52:51 oh crap, rwhitby. what did i miss? Oct 09 07:53:24 Package Manager Service with webos-patches feed installed by default, Preware with new feed management features. Oct 09 07:53:37 yay! Oct 09 07:53:49 so egaudet found some bugs in the new "update" scene Oct 09 07:53:52 * freakout blogs madly Oct 09 07:53:58 getting stuck there, etc Oct 09 07:54:07 like if an error shows up, you never get a chance to see it Oct 09 07:54:07 lol Oct 09 07:54:12 things that weren't heavily tested Oct 09 07:54:16 lol Oct 09 07:54:19 but, now they've been fixed in the current push Oct 09 07:54:21 freakout: make sure you point to http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/208312-autopatch-transitioning-webos-patches-feed.html Oct 09 07:54:30 Headline: "New Preware Buggier Than Vista, Snow Leopard" Oct 09 07:54:40 lol Oct 09 07:54:43 hey, one bug Oct 09 07:54:50 well Oct 09 07:54:53 one buggy scene Oct 09 07:54:55 it was new Oct 09 07:54:58 what can i say Oct 09 07:55:00 oil: 0.9.4 ? Oct 09 07:55:04 lol Oct 09 07:55:17 i think id like to get more testing on it before pushing it out Oct 09 07:55:17 lol Oct 09 07:55:20 ive played with it Oct 09 07:55:26 couldn't get it to get stuck on the scene Oct 09 07:55:33 but that means nothing Oct 09 07:55:58 the bug egaudet had was going to preferences/feeds when in the updater scene Oct 09 07:56:08 oil: can we fit "Applications, Themes and Patches" in a new subtitle entry? Oct 09 07:56:20 only to have it finish updating in the background Oct 09 07:56:27 but because it wasnt active, it never pushed to the main scene Oct 09 07:56:34 so when he got back to it Oct 09 07:56:38 it just sat there at "Done!" Oct 09 07:56:50 if I installed the testing version of 0.9.3 last night, am I going to have to install the new non-testing version from my dekstop when I get home? 0.9.3 is suddenly not letting me in. Oct 09 07:57:14 rwhitby: maybe Oct 09 07:57:20 ive been thinking about adding a weighting to it Oct 09 07:57:24 instead of just doubling up Oct 09 07:57:37 so we can add really wackey ones that only appear once in a thousand loads or whatever Oct 09 07:57:47 "Now with Auto-Patch Technology" Oct 09 07:57:53 there is a dash in it? Oct 09 07:58:21 that reminds me, the Feed is wrong for all the patches Oct 09 07:58:34 it says Autopatch, should say "WebOS Patches" Oct 09 07:58:48 maybe I can fix that one myself. Oct 09 07:58:59 where does it say that? Oct 09 07:59:05 oh Oct 09 07:59:06 app detail screen Oct 09 07:59:08 yeahg Oct 09 07:59:17 took it a second for the lightbulb to warm up Oct 09 08:01:17 what are some good p words Oct 09 08:01:26 I like alliteration. possibly too much Oct 09 08:01:48 alliteration doesn't start with a p Oct 09 08:01:58 * freakout bitch-slaps oil Oct 09 08:02:01 go to English class! Oct 09 08:02:02 is anyone else annoyed with having to click "just charge" each time the usb cable is connected? Oct 09 08:02:18 matti: you don't have actually click anything Oct 09 08:03:22 "Preware Packages Patches Promiscuously"... no. "Preware Promotes Pain-Relief, Apropos Patching" Oct 09 08:03:24 no. Oct 09 08:03:27 Oh bugger it Oct 09 08:04:07 oil: i'd rather just have the dashboard msg if i want to switch to usb drive Oct 09 08:04:36 but if you want to hook it up for usb, you would have to tap 3 times Oct 09 08:05:35 as infrequently as i use usb drive that's fine with me Oct 09 08:05:54 maybe others only plug it in to usb when they want to transfer files Oct 09 08:05:58 in their case 3 taps is too much Oct 09 08:06:22 though, im sure you could change the code to do what you want and make a patch Oct 09 08:06:35 Preware, Packages, Patches, and Perfectly Themed Pixels. Oct 09 08:06:40 Preware: Packages, Patches, and Perfectly Themed Pixels. Oct 09 08:07:00 except patches and themes have the ability to totally fubar your pre Oct 09 08:07:02 lol Oct 09 08:07:29 * rwhitby bbl Oct 09 08:07:36 rwhitby. oooo Oct 09 08:09:02 http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/08/gsm-palm-pre-to-launch-on-telcel-in-mexico-feature-storage-expa/ Oct 09 08:09:08 qwerty, maybe microsd Oct 09 08:09:21 looking at Pixi there's room for an sd slot Oct 09 08:09:39 never understood why some people claim software or drivers kept it off the Pre Oct 09 08:09:49 linux can obviously handle multiple mmc devices Oct 09 08:11:03 does the browser on the pre support lightbox? Oct 09 08:11:59 Preware Stuffs Patches In Package Oct 09 08:12:16 Girls Impressed Oct 09 08:14:10 lolol Oct 09 08:14:12 acydlord: it's webkit Oct 09 08:24:09 spamdump time! a vision into the future for rwhitby and oil... Oct 09 08:24:19 Preware Stuffs Patches In Package Oct 09 08:24:20 ? Oct 09 08:24:22 Pre owners: your attention, please. The latest version 0.9.3 of Preware and the Package Manager Service that makes it all tick (0.9.7) have now been released for your homebrewing pleasure. What's new? AutoPatch is now enabled by default, and requires no extra effort on your part. However, if you've previously installed anything with the earlier version of AutoPatch, then you'll need to run the Emergency Patch Oct 09 08:24:22 Recovery tool before doing anything new, else dire consequences await. Rod Whitby has put thoughtfully together a transitioning guide for upgraders here. Recommended reading, class. Oct 09 08:24:22

Oct 09 08:24:25 Also making their debut in 0.9.3 are some brand-new feed management features. Hit the Preware app menu in the top-left corner, go to Preferences, and then hit the app menu again for a Feeds option. If you've previously checked out this scene, you'll have noticed a startling similarity to the initial release of Snow Leopard (or Vista, if you prefer), in that nothing worked at all. Now it does! The scene will let you configur Oct 09 08:24:29 e exactly which homebrew package feeds Preware will check for updates - handy if you're constantly getting the Spinning Eternal Wheel of Updating problem (SPEWUP) due to a borked repository. Oct 09 08:25:04 And with that? I prepare for poker night. It's going to be weird. The host has invited girls for the first time ever. I don't think they'll get it. Oct 09 08:25:21 freakout: autopatch is the technology, webos-patches is the feed Oct 09 08:25:36 I knew it couldn't be that simple :p, fixing now Oct 09 08:25:50 girls at a poker night? it'll never work Oct 09 08:25:59 rwhitby: tell me about it mate Oct 09 08:27:34 The WebOS-Patches feed (powered by AutoPatch, a technology so magic it must be bolded) is now enabled by default, and requires no extra effort on your part. Oct 09 08:28:03 * freakout hits "publicize" Oct 09 08:28:12 later, meatbags Oct 09 08:28:19 *AutoPatch* must be pretty magic if it has to be bolded Oct 09 08:28:55 zomg: contains unicorns, mermaids Oct 09 08:49:57 GPL code in MyTether? http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1961976 Oct 09 08:50:32 * rwhitby bbl Oct 09 08:56:29 rwhitby: we probably should have done a version bump... Oct 09 08:56:33 apiversion that is Oct 09 08:58:12 I Oct 09 08:58:25 I'm also thinking we need an unknown package type Oct 09 08:58:40 right now, any package not in a feed gets a default Application type Oct 09 08:58:49 which is fine for apps that are palm-installed or from the catalog Oct 09 08:58:58 but patches now appear in there from the feed update Oct 09 09:17:28 i got http://prepr0n.com up and running Oct 09 09:17:30 now all it's missing is pictures of ladies with pres Oct 09 09:32:46 freakout-poker: here is a screenshot for your article: http://i34.tinypic.com/14mkgi.png Oct 09 09:32:48 xD Oct 09 09:33:36 oh wait Oct 09 09:33:36 nevermind Oct 09 09:33:36 its got 094 in it Oct 09 09:33:36 dont use it Oct 09 10:29:37 oil: I did do an apiVersion bump. Oct 09 10:29:52 oil: agreed on the Unknown package type Oct 09 10:31:25 Cowbell, hey? Oct 09 10:34:48 31-3%?6 Oct 09 10:35:10 testing Oct 09 11:24:52 rwhtiby? Rod are you here and awake? Oct 09 13:28:05 So, has everyone successfully updated to the latest Preware, and transitioned to the webos-patches feed? Oct 09 13:28:39 rwhitby: did you see Mexican gsm Pre? Oct 09 13:28:47 qwerty keyboard probably Oct 09 13:28:49 I upgraded, didnt migrate Oct 09 13:28:52 or did you already get one? Oct 09 13:28:56 tmzt: I did. I didn't see the video though. Oct 09 13:28:56 dont see geed management though, unless I missed it Oct 09 13:28:57 (one gsm pre) Oct 09 13:29:14 AnOutsider: enable and disable - menu item on preferences screen. Oct 09 13:29:28 AnOutsider: feed addition in a later version. Oct 09 13:30:00 tmzt: nope, don't already have a GSM Pre. Oct 09 13:30:21 tmzt: I'm not sure whether to believe the microSD card slot reports yet. Oct 09 13:30:31 yeah Oct 09 13:30:34 not sure either Oct 09 13:30:43 just don't see any reason linux couldn't support it Oct 09 13:31:10 even underbattery, but not much of a gain there Oct 09 13:31:45 rwhitby: maybe I'm missing something, but I dont see anything relating to enabling/disabling feeds in my preferences menu Oct 09 13:32:22 My sections are Global, Startup, Main Scene, List Scene and Background (grayed out) Oct 09 13:32:32 AnOutsider: first screen, hit menu to select preference scene. in preference scene, hit menu to select feeds scene. menu top left. Oct 09 13:32:47 ahhh Oct 09 13:32:59 that's a bit unintuitive no? Unless that's how webos does it's submenus Oct 09 13:33:02 the term "Scene" is used in ui? Oct 09 13:33:23 AnOutsider: next version will have a "Feeds" button top right of the preferences screen. Oct 09 13:33:27 no, that's how blackberry does it :) Oct 09 13:34:46 AnOutsider: http://i33.tinypic.com/52qok.png Oct 09 13:34:57 cool that worked Oct 09 13:35:04 and yes, that's much more intuitive Oct 09 13:35:18 function first, form later ;-) Oct 09 13:35:24 I can only imagine how many times you'll have to explain this on precentral Oct 09 13:35:36 haha I'm the opposite. It's gotta look and work great or I dont put it out ;) Oct 09 13:38:18 for the new preware + pkg-manager-service ... do these steps sound right: Oct 09 13:38:45 1) write down (or otherwise remember) the patches you've already applied Oct 09 13:39:05 2) Run the emergency patch recovery tool (this will remove all of your patches) Oct 09 13:39:12 3) upgrade the pkg-manager service Oct 09 13:39:15 4) upgrade preware Oct 09 13:39:29 5) Remove the autopatch-feed Oct 09 13:39:40 6) use the webos-patches feed to re-apply patches Oct 09 13:39:53 (maybe #5 should be #2.5) Oct 09 13:40:30 any reason why there isn't a list of patches applied command or similar? Oct 09 13:40:42 so you could redirect that to a file? Oct 09 13:40:52 at least it would give hints as to what to apply later Oct 09 13:41:04 I only have 4 patches installed, so a post-it will do for me ... Oct 09 13:41:31 oil: where's the corrected version? :) Oct 09 13:42:24 * mikewx patiently (ok notsomuch) awaits the 1.2.1 doctor so he can fix his preware Oct 09 13:42:48 If someone will confirm that my steps look right I'll update the Wiki page on webos-internals.org ... Oct 09 13:43:16 nt4cats: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/208312-autopatch-transitioning-webos-patches-feed.html Oct 09 13:43:38 do any one know how to add the personals to the mCraig app??? Oct 09 13:43:50 rwhitby: awesome, thanks Oct 09 13:44:17 nt4cats: you might want to follow @webosinternals on twitter to get that information in the future - we posted that before we released. Oct 09 13:45:55 rwhitby: I'll subscribe, thanks. I did go look at the PreWare page on the webos-internals.org wiki, figured that'd be the best place. I'll update that page to point it to the URL Oct 09 13:46:06 nt4cats: thanks Oct 09 13:46:38 rwhit: too bad your precentral.net posting doesn't make it clear that you need to update the package manager service before updating preware Oct 09 13:46:54 ;) Oct 09 13:48:11 nt4cats: yeah, can't imagine how I forget to talk about that ... Oct 09 13:52:35 need Oct 09 13:53:00 help! all menus are grayed out Oct 09 13:53:08 amoney_: welcome Oct 09 13:53:26 amoney_: first, how did you install the package manager service? Oct 09 13:53:53 I cant get PACKAGE MANAGER SERVICE to start Oct 09 13:54:17 Answering rwhitby's questions is the best way to get help Oct 09 13:54:25 with quick install Oct 09 13:54:39 amoney_: which version of quick install Oct 09 13:54:55 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/207488-patch-request-suppress-led-notification-emails.html#post1962731 who will create a ipkg for this and patch file Oct 09 13:55:05 and put it in preware feed? :> Oct 09 13:55:11 en0x: you? ;-) Oct 09 13:55:20 2.72 Oct 09 13:55:23 hehe Oct 09 13:55:32 i dont know how to create ipk Oct 09 13:55:49 i know someone here is good with the depot :D can someone lend a hand in the other channel :) Oct 09 13:55:55 I had it working until I tried to update it yesterday Oct 09 13:56:01 amoney_: ok, does your cellular service die and then return when you install the package manager service in quick install ? Oct 09 13:56:14 NO. Oct 09 13:56:43 It does go off for a little Oct 09 13:56:57 so that's a "yes" then ;-) Oct 09 13:57:17 yea sorry Oct 09 13:57:32 lol Oct 09 13:57:47 should that matter? Oct 09 13:58:14 amoney_: ok, after the cellular service returns, when you start Preware, what happens? Oct 09 13:58:31 tmzt: that indicates that the services have been restarted Oct 09 13:59:16 It loads preware very fast and says done with everything grayed out. Oct 09 13:59:30 rwhitby: ah, not connectivity issue Oct 09 13:59:31 ok Oct 09 13:59:50 oh looks liek there is a ipk Oct 09 14:00:11 amoney_: can you select the "Update Feeds" menu item and tell me what happens? Oct 09 14:00:16 I did try to use luna manager, and it says that PACKAGE MANAGER SERVICE is not running Oct 09 14:00:37 rwhitby: do you have anything recording crashes? Oct 09 14:00:39 juz reboot Oct 09 14:00:51 yea I can and it says done! Oct 09 14:00:55 amoney_: when you used luna manager, did you wait until cellular services had been restored before running it? Oct 09 14:01:06 Yes. Oct 09 14:01:16 amoney_: have you ever had command line access on this Pre? Oct 09 14:01:37 I updated the Application:Preware page on the webos-internals.org wiki, adding a link to rwhitby's "AutoPatch transitioning" missive Oct 09 14:01:45 nt4cats: thx Oct 09 14:01:50 Is that root? if so no Oct 09 14:02:05 1. Install the IPK below. It will give you the program to control LED throbbing, and also place a patch file on your device. However, the patch isn't automatically applied. Oct 09 14:02:09 hmm Oct 09 14:02:30 en0x: sounds like that ipkg just needs a postinst Oct 09 14:02:46 looks like it Oct 09 14:02:46 en0x: but better to recreate it using autopatch technology Oct 09 14:03:03 amoney_: ok, can you get the file manager service and internalz to work? Oct 09 14:03:20 amoney_: what host operating system are you using? windows? Oct 09 14:03:21 everything worked well with preware until I tried to update it. Oct 09 14:03:50 amoney_: did you update preware before updating the package manager service? Oct 09 14:03:57 Yes Oct 09 14:04:13 ok, that would have been a good thing to say when you joined here ;-) Oct 09 14:04:34 sorry Oct 09 14:04:55 so you then used wosqi's device management screen to delete both, then reboot the pre, then install package manager service, then install preware? Oct 09 14:05:20 rwhitby: oo, just went up before bed: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9944/preware-093-stuffs-patches-in-package/ Oct 09 14:05:24 I tried reinstalling it Oct 09 14:05:37 amoney_: did you follow the exact sequence I just outlined? Oct 09 14:05:42 I picked a really gross picture of a bloke with nicotine patches for the blurb. didn't make the editorial cut ;) Oct 09 14:05:44 night! Oct 09 14:06:17 What was that? Oct 09 14:06:42 freakout-sleep: just tweeted it Oct 09 14:07:02 amoney_: using wosqi's device management screen to delete both, then reboot the pre, then install package manager service, then install preware? Oct 09 14:07:29 Yes I did that 4 times Oct 09 14:07:38 rwhitby: funky. and here's another Pre In Oz rumour for fun... http://bit.ly/1jYU5 Oct 09 14:07:51 rwhitby: if i know how to repackage it I will be a genius! :) Oct 09 14:08:20 amoney_: once should have been enough. Oct 09 14:08:42 thats what I thought! Oct 09 14:08:49 amoney_: would you prefer to install the file manager service and internalz to continue debugging, or get command line access? Oct 09 14:09:12 file manager Oct 09 14:09:34 ok, can you install those two and start internalz? Oct 09 14:10:21 how do I start internalz Oct 09 14:10:40 I have them installed now Oct 09 14:15:26 You still here? Oct 09 14:20:01 je Oct 09 14:20:43 he's still here, butpeple occasionally have to walk away. In Rod's case it's VERY late at night. Family stuff, bathroom, snack, or just falling asleep are all possibilities. Oct 09 14:22:46 amoney_: you have internalz running? Oct 09 14:23:41 How do I start it? Oct 09 14:24:12 it's an application - you just click on it Oct 09 14:24:38 dont think I have it installed. Oct 09 14:25:05 ok, can you install those two and start internalz? Oct 09 14:25:35 it's 1am here, so following instructions precisely will be advised to keep me helping you. Oct 09 14:26:09 Anybody's phone says there is an update avalible? Oct 09 14:26:29 kesne: I hope not, I just spent the last 30 minutes patching the crap out of my Pre ... Oct 09 14:26:41 Hmm Oct 09 14:26:45 I have package manager and preware installed! where is internalz? Oct 09 14:27:02 I woke up and It said 1.2.1 was avalible for download Oct 09 14:27:05 Again... Oct 09 14:27:22 kesne: someone else was here yesterday with the same symptom Oct 09 14:27:32 amoney_: you said you had both installed Oct 09 14:27:36 Whats up with it? Oct 09 14:27:50 yes Oct 09 14:27:53 amoney_: file manager service and internalz, available for installation in webos quick install Oct 09 14:28:06 (their phone kept offering to upgrade them to 1.2.1, even though they already had 1.2.1 ... searching my history) Oct 09 14:28:58 sorry I dont see file manager service and internalz in qi Oct 09 14:31:01 that happened to me this morning Oct 09 14:31:08 I let it upgrade again and reinstalled my patches Oct 09 14:31:14 kesne: someone here (I just /msg'd him) had this problem yesterday, hopefully he found some way around it. Oct 09 14:31:41 kesne: he (and others) suspected that one of his patches changed the CRC of something that the "update required?" code was looking at Oct 09 14:33:33 I only use one patch though Oct 09 14:34:08 kesne: I'm only reporting on the discussion I witnessed yesterday ... I'm not going to argue with you about it ;) Oct 09 14:34:39 nt4cats: alright, well thanks! Oct 09 14:35:01 kesne: what patch do u have installed Oct 09 14:35:14 kesne: ... and if the person I saw with a similar issue yesterday is interested in discussing his theories/findings with you I'll give him your irc nick Oct 09 14:35:59 atlanta: LED notifications Oct 09 14:36:08 I used to use tons of patches Oct 09 14:36:20 It's just so annoying reinstalling them so often lately Oct 09 14:36:29 * nt4cats is now in love with Puffy Oct 09 14:37:14 * nt4cats (just installed his 4x4 patch). It probably shouldn't inspire feelings of love, but it is quite nifty Oct 09 14:37:18 kesne: the computer on checkers pro is losing with me all the time Oct 09 14:37:36 YOu mean it's still easy? Oct 09 14:37:39 I know Oct 09 14:37:42 yap Oct 09 14:37:51 It's in the works Oct 09 14:37:58 but the game rocks Oct 09 14:37:58 ;] Oct 09 14:38:02 worth 99 cents ;) Oct 09 14:38:07 Just wait for online play :) Oct 09 14:38:12 It's coming pretty soon Oct 09 14:38:31 And if you think that's cool, Wellow's Bounce Room will be SUPER amazing Oct 09 14:39:18 99 cents too? :> Oct 09 14:39:44 Wellow's Bounce Room: I currently can't talk about the pricepoint Oct 09 14:40:12 hehehe Oct 09 14:40:16 I can say that None of the apps that Keen Studios will be developing in the near future will go OVER $2.99 Oct 09 14:40:24 good Oct 09 14:40:32 anyway i'm using my sprint gift card Oct 09 14:40:34 for apps Oct 09 14:40:44 the one that i got from sprint referall program 25 bucks Oct 09 14:40:45 ;] Oct 09 14:40:46 You can do that? Oct 09 14:40:50 sure Oct 09 14:40:54 ;D Oct 09 14:41:58 Quick opininion: What do you think of the prices of the current paid apps? Oct 09 14:42:23 some of them are not worth to be even a paid apps Oct 09 14:43:18 interesting Oct 09 14:43:22 brb Oct 09 14:43:29 * kesne restarts computer Oct 09 14:43:52 yap Oct 09 14:44:13 newsroom app is worth 5 bucks Oct 09 14:44:16 i love this app ;D Oct 09 14:45:52 what is newsroom Oct 09 14:46:12 kesne: your app is fine Oct 09 14:46:20 but some of them are way to overprices Oct 09 14:48:36 Preware will never ever cost anything, but what would people pay if it was a paid app? Oct 09 14:48:47 4.99 Oct 09 14:49:19 I'd pay $5 for preware Oct 09 14:49:26 I think that's a good median. May want to consider in-app ads tho. tastefully done. no money up front, and recurring revenue as long as your app is used Oct 09 14:49:26 that's what I plan for the datpiff apps Oct 09 14:50:02 I think that $1-$2 is the right price point for *most* phone apps Oct 09 14:50:15 (paid phone apps, that is) Oct 09 14:50:16 atlanta: newsroom is a cool rss reader Oct 09 14:50:25 when you really have an emergency that patch will be like pfft, boy who cried wolf Oct 09 14:50:38 AnOutsider: you making apps for datpiff Oct 09 14:50:38 ? Oct 09 14:50:44 atlanta: http://www.trileet.com/palm/newsroom check it out Oct 09 14:50:45 ;] Oct 09 14:50:51 en0x: going no Oct 09 14:50:53 rwhitby: .01 cents ;D Oct 09 14:50:56 now** Oct 09 14:51:31 there is even a screencast Oct 09 14:52:04 en0x: yea i like the way the app flows Oct 09 14:52:17 trendy Oct 09 14:52:18 ;D Oct 09 14:52:18 atlanta: yeah, the iphone app is submitted, pre app is in limbo. been using it on our pres in-house Oct 09 14:52:21 * nt4cats wonders if he is supposed to know what a "datpiff" is Oct 09 14:52:38 mix tapes? Oct 09 14:52:39 yeah newsroom is sweet, but i dont wanna pay for it Oct 09 14:52:41 nt4cats: yea Oct 09 14:52:48 surprised with the tutorial theres no rss apps on homebrew Oct 09 14:52:51 AnOutsider: get it from someone lol Oct 09 14:52:59 get what? Oct 09 14:53:00 AnOutsider: you work for them? Oct 09 14:53:09 for newsroom? Oct 09 14:53:14 AnOutsider: no Oct 09 14:53:15 datpiff Oct 09 14:53:53 not... technically Oct 09 14:54:03 oh ok Oct 09 14:54:08 I own it ;) Oct 09 14:54:14 AnOutsider: there is a homebrew app for rss feed but it uses google reader Oct 09 14:54:19 you use the site? Oct 09 14:54:23 AnOutsider: you own it Oct 09 14:54:24 ? Oct 09 14:54:25 yea i do Oct 09 14:54:26 blah Oct 09 14:54:42 thats cool Oct 09 14:55:18 cool, always surprised to meet users of my sites in random places :) Oct 09 14:56:09 AnOutsider: lol Oct 09 14:56:39 AnOutsider: the download thing makes me mad sometimes Oct 09 14:56:53 that's the point! Oct 09 14:57:00 haha nah, but I think the limits are fair Oct 09 14:57:08 bandwidth aloen costs 25k per month Oct 09 14:57:18 AnOutsider: damn Oct 09 14:57:28 AnOutsider: i made a script to download shit lol Oct 09 14:57:34 opps did i say that Oct 09 14:57:45 http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ ;D Oct 09 14:58:05 haha as long as you're not using it recklessly Oct 09 14:58:09 AnOutsider: when you guys updated the flash player it broke it Oct 09 14:58:12 if your pre has a bed wifi reception you should have that helmet Oct 09 14:58:15 For all helmets, we noticed a 30 db amplification at 2.6 Ghz and a 20 db amplification at 1.2 Ghz, regardless of the position of the antenna on the cranium. Oct 09 14:58:16 havent had time to update it Oct 09 14:58:26 AnOutsider: nall just when your download makes me mad lol Oct 09 14:58:43 AnOutsider: im sure your making well over 25k a month to pay for it though Oct 09 14:58:48 doubt you'll be able to, the player uses rtmp now. but PM me, no point in flooding the pre room about a random site haha Oct 09 14:58:58 what site? Oct 09 14:59:06 lol @ that helmets link Oct 09 14:59:15 en0x: dat piff Oct 09 14:59:51 lol @ datapiff Oct 09 14:59:52 :p Oct 09 15:01:42 i want trapster app! Oct 09 15:02:31 en0x: i think they working on an app Oct 09 15:03:49 good night all. Oct 09 15:03:51 * rwhitby bbt Oct 09 15:04:13 bluescreened as im downloading the drivers needed to STOP the bluescreening Oct 09 15:04:14 pwnt Oct 09 15:04:22 atlanta: they do Oct 09 15:04:30 and they even demoed it Oct 09 15:05:45 tapster? datpiff? You kids and all your fancy interwebs are very confusing for an old man like me Oct 09 15:06:14 trapster is a site that tracks common locations of speed traps Oct 09 15:06:33 anoutsider: I may be a feeble old man, but I *do* know how to use the google ;) Oct 09 15:06:35 good.. and now to assume his identity Oct 09 15:06:54 ha, well sooorry Oct 09 15:07:26 assuming his identityis going to be hard when he's validated with nickserv and has a bouncer that keeps him logged in. Oct 09 15:08:03 nt4cats the advantage of being a feeble old man is that I watched google come into being, and can run it better than most of these whippersnappers. Oct 09 15:08:25 it's easy when it is I Oct 09 15:08:35 got bluescreened Oct 09 15:09:36 rick: I'm older than the founders of Google ... Oct 09 15:09:55 nt4cats: how old are you? Oct 09 15:10:03 this is the first "im older than you" cotnest I've ever witnessed Oct 09 15:10:12 please, do continue Oct 09 15:11:42 kesne: Let's see, when I went to College, the Internet existed, but most people were unaware of it. The first ever web browser didn't exist until very close to the time that I graduated Oct 09 15:11:56 Wow Oct 09 15:12:02 kesne: ... my University was connected to the internet by a 9600 bps modem Oct 09 15:12:08 That's seriously intesne Oct 09 15:13:04 kesne: and I feel extra old because I work at a startup where 80% of the employees are 21-25. Oct 09 15:13:21 Oh well of course Oct 09 15:13:39 kesne: I have a jacket from high school that is older than the 21 and 22 year-olds Oct 09 15:13:49 Hehe Oct 09 15:13:50 lol Oct 09 15:13:52 Well Oct 09 15:14:01 That stuff happens all the time Oct 09 15:14:21 my parents wear clothes that are older than me Oct 09 15:14:27 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Youtube_Landscape_Orientation nice Oct 09 15:14:28 (nt4cats' highschool jacket tells kesne to get off its lawn) Oct 09 15:14:42 hahaah Oct 09 15:14:56 Where is max? We should have an "I'm younger than you" battle Oct 09 15:15:53 rick has been quiet -- either he is awed at how old I am, or he has fallen asleep in his metamucil Oct 09 15:16:22 lol Oct 09 15:16:31 * oil goes with nap Oct 09 15:17:23 * nt4cats gives oil mad 0.9.3 props Oct 09 15:17:31 lol Oct 09 15:18:25 its got a couple bugs Oct 09 15:18:35 but i think egaudet is the only to hit one sofar Oct 09 15:18:58 "it has a couple of bugs" == "it is software" Oct 09 15:19:05 lol Oct 09 15:19:48 well, with the right circumstances, you could get stuck in the updating scene Oct 09 15:19:55 where its still spinning Oct 09 15:19:58 and the status is "Done!" Oct 09 15:20:00 and it does nothing Oct 09 15:20:03 just sits Oct 09 15:20:21 but 094 already fixes it Oct 09 15:20:58 the first time I launched it I got the SPEWUP Oct 09 15:21:17 ... but it has been fine for me ever since Oct 09 15:22:07 (so maybe that isn't exactly the "SPEWUP" ... but I really wanted to say 'spew') Oct 09 15:22:32 oh, and any error messages in the update scene forward the user right along to a greyed out main scene Oct 09 15:22:37 without allowing them to see the message Oct 09 15:23:11 basically the update scene wasn't tested all that much Oct 09 15:23:11 lol Oct 09 15:23:27 I keep getting stuck on updating Oct 09 15:23:51 that means you can't reach a feed Oct 09 15:23:59 though, you can turn it off Oct 09 15:24:01 kesne: is your network connection okay otherwise (e.g. can you use your browser to surf the interwebs?) Oct 09 15:24:02 in the feeds management page Oct 09 15:24:08 are you on wifi? Oct 09 15:24:11 get back on evdo Oct 09 15:24:12 I is on wifi Oct 09 15:24:14 that seems to fix it for most Oct 09 15:24:17 Working now Oct 09 15:24:23 people have trouble hitting pym over wifi for whatever reason Oct 09 15:24:25 Interesting Oct 09 15:24:29 anyways Oct 09 15:24:31 * oil goes to work Oct 09 15:24:37 wifi + ajax.request !== friendly Oct 09 15:25:04 preware doesn't have a single ajax.request Oct 09 15:25:08 ah Oct 09 15:25:12 feed updates are wget Oct 09 15:25:15 The service I presume then Oct 09 15:25:17 Ah alright Oct 09 15:25:18 nt4cats I was at boy scout camp when Neil Armstrong stepped on the moon. Oct 09 15:25:23 Services. :P Oct 09 15:25:33 Okay, Rick is older than me. Oct 09 15:25:42 * nt4cats bows before Rick's agedness Oct 09 15:25:48 hehehehhe Oct 09 15:26:03 I bought my first 300 baud modem in 1976 Oct 09 15:26:04 lol Oct 09 15:26:14 How come wordace never has ajax issues? Oct 09 15:26:14 * oil really goes to work now Oct 09 15:26:16 brb Oct 09 15:26:23 because it's well written kesne Oct 09 15:26:39 Well of course Oct 09 15:26:43 there are no ajax issues. There are only poorly written apps. Oct 09 15:26:51 I mean, some users report ajax not working Oct 09 15:27:02 now, you CAN have unresponsive servers. But that's a different issue. Oct 09 15:27:11 it's never not worked with me, only issues I've has is ones where I have to slap myself Oct 09 15:27:17 and wordace has good hosting. Oct 09 15:27:43 kesne do you test that a data connection EXISTS before starting an ajax session? Oct 09 15:27:53 I always do Oct 09 15:27:55 your users who are complaining may be without data service Oct 09 15:28:03 Er Oct 09 15:28:05 Rick_work: whats the best way to test Oct 09 15:28:14 Nobody is complaining at the time Oct 09 15:28:18 All reports say it works Oct 09 15:28:33 i want to send a auto retry if no response is given Oct 09 15:28:40 uh Jordan.... [10:25] I mean, some users report ajax not working Oct 09 15:28:43 hmm Oct 09 15:29:03 Users as in developers Oct 09 15:29:04 atlanta have your onfailure set a counter and re-call the ajax function Oct 09 15:29:11 oh Oct 09 15:29:23 users as in "people who can not read documentation." Oct 09 15:29:35 Lol Oct 09 15:29:40 I never had issues Oct 09 15:29:43 WEll Oct 09 15:29:45 I mean I did Oct 09 15:29:50 But it was always me Oct 09 15:30:11 * kesne starts thinking back to all of the bugs, how come it was always him? Oct 09 15:30:39 * nt4cats is old. Rick is decrepit Oct 09 15:30:51 * kesne is young :P Oct 09 15:31:03 * kesne is a bit too young? Oct 09 15:31:31 kesne: I've been an old man (on the inside) for a VERY long time. Oct 09 15:31:42 hehe Oct 09 15:32:41 Rick_work: though I built the online score system for Polar Bowling problem-free Oct 09 15:33:12 And it's been pretty successful Oct 09 15:33:19 3085 scores submitted total Oct 09 15:33:20 kesne: I, at age 24 [15 years ago], was sitting in a bar with a couple of friends. They were facing the front door, my back was to the door. I heard the door open, and they both stopped mid-sentence and food actually fell out of their mouths. I thought I'd be cool and wait for whomever they were gawking at to pass by me. Oct 09 15:33:43 Rick_work: thanks rick Oct 09 15:33:45 xD Oct 09 15:33:56 Rick_work: how long the counter should go u think Oct 09 15:34:26 kesne: when she did pass by me she was **HOT**. Beautiful body, great hair, and she was wearing low-rider jeans that really showed off a lot. Oct 09 15:34:54 kesne: the first thing I thought to myself (not pre-meditated) was "pull up your pants!" Oct 09 15:35:10 xD!!!!! Oct 09 15:35:10 kesne: It was at that moment that I realized I was, indeed, an old man Oct 09 15:39:17 Wow, somebody got a 33 on Polar Bowling Oct 09 15:41:46 anyone having issues with preware .93 not allowing a selection on the main page? Oct 09 15:42:11 i updated feeds with no luck. Oct 09 15:43:38 Did you update package manager? Oct 09 15:43:45 Mine did the same until I updated Oct 09 15:44:18 hmm nope. how do i do that? sorry, surfing on pre atm Oct 09 15:44:34 well ssh home into screened irssi session Oct 09 15:44:37 Just use QI Oct 09 15:44:56 qi? Oct 09 15:45:03 webOS Quick Install Oct 09 15:45:06 webosQuickInstall Oct 09 15:46:02 bah Oct 09 15:46:14 i cant do that remotely. Oct 09 15:46:25 Then you're out of luck Oct 09 15:46:34 is there a way to do it with terminal? Oct 09 15:48:09 No idea, sorry Oct 09 15:49:05 hmm there has to be, but i have such limited browser capabilities on the pre. fail Oct 09 15:49:32 tictac: maybe you can adapt the instructions at the bottom of http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Oct 09 15:50:07 thats what i was about to try and do Oct 09 15:50:21 tictac: I haven't tried this myself, so I'm only guessing from the context Oct 09 15:50:55 tictac: Please do not mistake me for an expert on the ipkg stuff ... Oct 09 15:51:22 yes Oct 09 15:51:25 you can do it with terminal Oct 09 15:51:30 if you must Oct 09 15:52:07 /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var upgrade org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Oct 09 15:52:13 sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {}   mount -o remount,ro / exit Oct 09 15:52:17 (there is my guess) Oct 09 15:52:27 update first Oct 09 15:52:46 i see the codebox on wiki still sucks in pre' browser Oct 09 15:53:59 (you cant view wide codebox's as the text is cut off Oct 09 15:55:07 tictac: want me to /msg you or e-mail you the lines? Oct 09 15:55:18 kesne: if you're getting that 1.2.1 update when you already have 1.2.1 i'd suggest you back out all your patches before it does it's thing Oct 09 15:55:32 kesne: mine did it without warning last night and it caused some proglrmes Oct 09 15:55:56 mikewx: lucky for me I don't use patches Oct 09 15:56:48 interesting, I was under the impression patches triggered it Oct 09 15:57:06 good luck to you then, hopefully it goes more smoothly than mine. Oct 09 15:57:11 nt4cats, can u email to jay@somerandomgeek.net? thanks Oct 09 15:57:11 nah one of my employees had it happen and he hasnt done any patching Oct 09 16:10:40 where is en0x? Oct 09 16:11:39 kesne: it turns out that en0x had the droids that they were looking for and he is currently in a holding cell on an imperial cruiser Oct 09 16:12:02 nt4cats: starwars? Oct 09 16:12:25 kesne: here :) Oct 09 16:14:34 how do u input curly brackets w terminal? Oct 09 16:14:59 tictac: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Oct 09 16:15:11 tictac: but knowing you can't browse there right now ... Oct 09 16:15:15 ... Oct 09 16:15:34 bbiaf Oct 09 16:15:46 ooh, curlys aren't on the list. Checking ... Oct 09 16:21:51 tictac: I'm stumped on the curlys Oct 09 16:21:57 ... checking the google Oct 09 16:21:57 Should a theme also be removed when upgrading to the new Preware with the public autopatch feed? I don't remember EPR doing themes. Oct 09 16:23:13 shouldnt need to Oct 09 16:23:20 but to be safe, why not Oct 09 16:27:38 theme removal and EPR may be incompatible Oct 09 16:27:59 eh? Oct 09 16:28:00 EPR recovers from backups and theme removal recovers from different set of backups Oct 09 16:28:33 k, thanks. On another note, since there are so many linux gurus here. I'm having an issue with Classic crashing. It drops out of my top process list, put persists in luna in a semi-interaceive state (I can access the dropdown menus, but not the palm classic buttons). Might there be a log somewhere that would shed some light on this? Oct 09 16:28:49 there is a theme removal tool now too? Oct 09 16:29:57 theme removal means uninstall theme Oct 09 16:32:07 so i should have said "uninstalling a theme recovers from a different set of backups" Oct 09 16:32:56 I understand. thanks Oct 09 16:37:22 egaudet: note that "preware goes to a grayed out list" means there was probably an error updating Oct 09 16:37:34 the error pops up, and its immediately swapped to the main scene Oct 09 16:37:49 so they never see it Oct 09 16:38:41 error updating preware or service? Oct 09 16:39:49 i mean, from the update scene Oct 09 16:39:58 so, errors like "package manager isn't running" Oct 09 16:41:18 ? Oct 09 16:42:33 nevermind :/ Oct 09 16:42:58 if service isn't running, they go to grayed out list without an error? Oct 09 16:43:49 or all errors from trying to update a package goes to main scene ? Oct 09 16:52:24 oil_work: do you know how to get the phones language settings? Oct 09 16:55:10 egaudet: right Oct 09 16:55:17 all errors when trying to update/load the list of packages Oct 09 16:55:20 throw no error Oct 09 16:55:33 kesne: not off the top of my head Oct 09 16:55:44 hmm Oct 09 16:55:58 Palm wants me to make it avalible in all languages Oct 09 16:56:28 there is a lot of documentation on the developer site Oct 09 16:56:32 im sure you'll find it Oct 09 16:56:46 oil_work, so the feed update or the package update Oct 09 16:57:44 in 093, any errors from feed update or getting the list of packages Oct 09 16:59:47 lead to a main scene where all the list items are grayed out Oct 09 16:59:52 so updating/loading feeds errors drops you to main screen with grayed out everything Oct 09 17:01:46 right Oct 09 17:01:48 without showing the error Oct 09 17:02:01 the bug is somewhat connected to the bug you found yesterday Oct 09 17:02:51 yea thats what im getting too Oct 09 17:03:07 bugger! Oct 09 17:03:11 i cant update via terminal due to lack of curly brackets Oct 09 17:03:30 why you need curly brackets? Oct 09 17:03:51 for the rescan Oct 09 17:04:16 use luna manager Oct 09 17:04:17 or reboot Oct 09 17:04:39 i didnt wanna : Oct 09 17:04:42 :) Oct 09 17:05:17 but really, i think the only errors people see from there, is incompatible version (unlikely, i didn't bump the version of the service it looks for in 093, though i probably should have) Oct 09 17:05:27 and package manager not running error Oct 09 17:06:30 which is probably everyone who gets that "gray list" bug's problem Oct 09 17:06:52 so we dont get package manager not running error anymore? Oct 09 17:07:01 that's at the time of updating/loading feeds then i assume Oct 09 17:07:11 right Oct 09 17:07:19 thats the only part thats broken in 093 Oct 09 17:07:26 i guess i never tested it with it erroring Oct 09 17:07:40 but 094 will fix those bugs, maybe itl be good to go this evening Oct 09 17:07:54 i mean, they're already fixed to my knowledge in the repo Oct 09 17:08:04 including your "stuck at done!" error Oct 09 17:09:05 and 094 has dependencies Oct 09 17:09:26 stuck at done error was fun :P Oct 09 17:09:37 oil_work: did rwhitby add a timeout to the service when trying to update feeds? Oct 09 17:10:36 anyone here? Oct 09 17:11:13 dBsooner-work: not to my knowledge Oct 09 17:11:23 well it looks that this thing is grayed out because the feeds are not updated Oct 09 17:11:27 imho Oct 09 17:11:29 egaudet: yeah, its also got dependencies Oct 09 17:11:45 en0x: because there is an error that you never see Oct 09 17:12:05 i see Oct 09 17:12:09 i didnt had that problem so idk Oct 09 17:12:10 ;p Oct 09 17:12:47 copy-and-paste should be illegal Oct 09 17:15:09 Is this guy a moron? Oct 09 17:15:10 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/200660-preware-94.html#post1963704 Oct 09 17:15:59 a timeout in the java service is not trivial because it's the wget call from the ipkg binary that "hangs" and needss a timeout Oct 09 17:16:03 The copyright symbol doesnt work on the pre :/ Oct 09 17:16:14 but Puff's C service will be using libcurl with timeout Oct 09 17:17:06 egaudet: why u talking about me :D Oct 09 17:17:08 egaidet: he's being an ass, but he has a point Oct 09 17:17:11 "unfriendly to end users" is exactly whats dooming linux community. Oct 09 17:17:15 oil Oct 09 17:17:18 * PuffTheMagic_ just installed exherbo Oct 09 17:17:18 egaudet: he should be encouraged to use a non-OSS platform so that it will be less frustrating for him Oct 09 17:17:24 and has no X yet Oct 09 17:17:26 I conveyed this concern to rwhitby earlier. Even _I_ have ot double think things I do in preware Oct 09 17:17:28 does new preware NEED new service? Oct 09 17:17:31 it's not always very user friendly Oct 09 17:17:39 * PuffTheMagic_ resorting so shitty irssi Oct 09 17:17:47 "unfriendly to end users" is dooming the linux community what? Oct 09 17:18:02 wtf does preware have to do with "dooming linux community" Oct 09 17:18:07 Preware is user unfriendly? Oct 09 17:18:17 preware is a very user friendly FOSS application for webos Oct 09 17:18:17 It can be Oct 09 17:18:32 linux was never marketed as being "end user friendly". Oct 09 17:18:36 I don't want to rehash the whole discussion I ahd, but in regards to the average joe, yes it can be Oct 09 17:18:48 AnOutsider: for advanced shit maybe Oct 09 17:18:53 it was marketted as a free alternative to the far overpriced BSDi, UNIX, etc systems. Oct 09 17:18:53 when I see an update for preware and packagemanager, exactly where does ti tell me that I need to update packagemanager first? Oct 09 17:18:54 but it is still alpha Oct 09 17:19:01 as a SERVER platform. Oct 09 17:19:09 If i link a newb to the wiki page, their head explodes Oct 09 17:19:14 AnOutsider: thats only cause of lack of depends support Oct 09 17:19:18 AnOutsider, yea we all know/agree that part is a problem and will no longer be a problem post preware 094 Oct 09 17:19:20 AnOutsider: In the release notes/instructions for both apps it tells you this Oct 09 17:19:21 once depends support is done that wont be an issue Oct 09 17:19:27 I'm just saying. It's a great tool, but often developers dont consider presentation and usability to noobs Oct 09 17:19:32 but no one is selling you preware Oct 09 17:19:41 I know they're not Oct 09 17:19:47 relax, I'm not attackign preware Oct 09 17:19:50 guards down Oct 09 17:20:02 ungrateful complaints like that for you to go a tiny bit out of your way aggrivate me Oct 09 17:20:08 and I don't mean you specifically AnOutsider Oct 09 17:20:11 All I said (earlier) is that there are a numbr of simple things keeping preware from htiting mainstream Oct 09 17:20:30 rwhitby agreed though that soem of those things could be looked at when 1.0.0 is out Oct 09 17:20:32 dBsooner-work: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/207488-patch-request-suppress-led-notification-emails.html#post1962731 can you repack this ipk and setup the ipk to run the patch file? Oct 09 17:20:41 more so that guy who thinks we should be working FOR him and HAVE to make his life easy and then attacks OSS Oct 09 17:20:49 dBsooner-work: so i can test it Oct 09 17:21:05 yeah, i'll get to it later this evening. ;) Oct 09 17:21:20 no access at work right now. Oct 09 17:21:28 hey witht he new quick install version, wheres the option to remove all tweaks/patches ? Oct 09 17:21:32 *the Oct 09 17:21:40 i dont see it like the old versions had Oct 09 17:21:51 yay! there's a new preware! Oct 09 17:22:17 so, uh.. after i run EPR, do i have to update Package Mangler Service and Preware from WOQI, or can i do it from preware? Oct 09 17:22:20 i had the new preware since few days ago Oct 09 17:22:21 ;P Oct 09 17:22:35 i just updated the ipkgservice from 0.9.6 to 0.9.7 today Oct 09 17:22:35 :P Oct 09 17:22:37 en0x: =P to you and your "testing" repo Oct 09 17:22:50 egaudet: I agree. Like I said, he went about ti totally wrong Oct 09 17:22:52 Mousey: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/208312-autopatch-transitioning-webos-patches-feed.html#post1962413 Oct 09 17:22:56 nt4cats: thanks Oct 09 17:22:57 testing repo is phun Oct 09 17:23:13 * Mousey wants Oct 09 17:23:19 egaudet: 093 requires 097 service Oct 09 17:23:27 changes to the feed listing Oct 09 17:24:19 Mousey: don't miss the fact that buried in that posting is "*** YOU MUST ALWAYS UPDATE THE PACKAGE MANAGER SERVICE BEFORE UPDATING PREWARE ***". It is hard to see, so I thought I'd point it out. Oct 09 17:24:31 heh Oct 09 17:24:50 nt4cats: yah, i know that already, =P Oct 09 17:24:56 ppl are now trying to access /usr/palm/applications probably to copy paid apps Oct 09 17:25:30 oh, you know it Oct 09 17:26:08 en0x: what's so hard about accessing it? Oct 09 17:26:38 ok. this is hilarious: http://www.break.com/index/sleeping-dog-runs-into-wall.html Oct 09 17:27:00 dBsooner-work: idk Oct 09 17:27:37 oh new apps in the app catalog Oct 09 17:27:41 * en0x is going to check them Oct 09 17:28:23 wow, root's here! everybody be nice Oct 09 17:29:29 hehe app catalog is unavailable Oct 09 17:31:56 doh! Oct 09 17:32:07 u get the same thing Oct 09 17:32:12 hai! Oct 09 17:32:52 * en0x is bored Oct 09 17:33:19 en0x: hereya go http://imgur.com/tQbdx.jpg Oct 09 17:33:44 this is hilarious Oct 09 17:34:19 * Mousey delivers Oct 09 17:35:20 egaudet: don't hold back! thats the way! Oct 09 17:35:21 lol Oct 09 17:35:25 Mousey: check this one out http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=58601 Oct 09 17:35:26 "guess i'll go back to filecoaster" Oct 09 17:35:28 lol Oct 09 17:35:47 oil can you put some code in there so preware doesn't work on clevin's phone Oct 09 17:36:13 this guy is really something else Oct 09 17:36:17 en0x: how'd you get that picture of my house? Oct 09 17:36:26 lol Oct 09 17:36:36 i really wish i could Oct 09 17:36:43 we need some sort of login-type thing to do that Oct 09 17:39:06 Mousey: hahaha Oct 09 17:39:16 new apps no use for me Oct 09 17:39:49 its bacK? Oct 09 17:40:04 yap Oct 09 17:40:15 its back1 Oct 09 17:40:19 s/1/!/ Oct 09 17:40:20 Mousey meant: its back! Oct 09 17:41:25 where the hell is Space Trader??? Oct 09 17:41:33 Dopewars took no time at all Oct 09 17:42:04 Mousey: http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Kris/breast.png hahaha Oct 09 17:43:00 lol Oct 09 17:43:03 i love explosm Oct 09 17:43:15 i love sick comic Oct 09 17:43:16 ;] Oct 09 17:43:23 www.johnandjohn.nl ;D Oct 09 17:43:46 blobbers for $.99? Oct 09 17:43:50 oil_work: right Oct 09 17:43:55 that shit is a port of a canvas tutorial Oct 09 17:44:14 he added some backgrounds and is selling it for a dollar? Oct 09 17:44:22 if i wrote that original tutorial i would sue Oct 09 17:44:24 thats how it looks Oct 09 17:44:35 i had a hope for irc app hitting app catalog today Oct 09 17:44:37 and nada Oct 09 17:44:38 ;( Oct 09 17:44:49 like the flashlight app that uses the screen? Oct 09 17:44:50 fail Oct 09 17:45:18 first I thought that flashligt uses the flash on the back of the pre Oct 09 17:45:19 atleast hes not trying to sell fail Oct 09 17:45:28 to light up but it uses a screen so lame who needs this kind of app? Oct 09 17:45:29 it cant Oct 09 17:45:31 that requires a service Oct 09 17:45:34 i would rather open a white wallpaper and it will be same thing Oct 09 17:45:41 hell Oct 09 17:45:47 email app is the same thing Oct 09 17:45:57 and turn up the screen brightnes Oct 09 17:45:58 :p Oct 09 17:46:03 hey the flashlight app for the screen can be useful Oct 09 17:46:23 its good enough for walking through a dark room Oct 09 17:46:33 anyone knows an easy way to clean the mirror on pre? Oct 09 17:46:33 that led flashlight is bright as a mofo, wake up in the middle of the night in pitch black Oct 09 17:46:42 oil_work, have you tried the white screen in a pitch black room Oct 09 17:46:52 yeah, its pretty good Oct 09 17:46:57 but the led flashlight is more better Oct 09 17:47:23 and my front-end to the service is better Oct 09 17:47:28 unreleased :/ Oct 09 17:47:31 cause im lazy mostly Oct 09 17:47:34 ;( Oct 09 17:47:36 lol Oct 09 17:47:50 you are what's wrong with open source oil Oct 09 17:47:57 no he is not Oct 09 17:48:00 lol Oct 09 17:48:04 most of the OS programmers are lazy Oct 09 17:48:05 i could opensource the front end Oct 09 17:48:08 its like 30 lines of code Oct 09 17:48:21 oil_work: does ur stuff uses flash on the back of pre? Oct 09 17:48:22 :> Oct 09 17:48:28 yes Oct 09 17:48:33 oh release it~! Oct 09 17:48:34 and instead of a little toggle in the corner Oct 09 17:48:36 ;D Oct 09 17:48:38 the entire screen turns it on and off Oct 09 17:49:10 i think i want to make an app catalog app Oct 09 17:49:29 and charge 99.99 for it Oct 09 17:49:30 what ya gonna make? Oct 09 17:49:30 i wonder if somebody else except oil is working on irc app Oct 09 17:49:31 hmm Oct 09 17:49:44 egaudet: i would make "I am Rich" app Oct 09 17:49:46 im thinking about charging $1.23 for blocked Oct 09 17:49:49 and sell it for 99 bucks Oct 09 17:49:50 ;] Oct 09 17:49:50 lol Oct 09 17:49:56 idk if they will let me do a non-ending-in-.99 app Oct 09 17:50:00 I just upgraded Preware and now all the options are greyed out. Oct 09 17:50:07 Ron0001: hahahaha Oct 09 17:50:09 upgrade package manager Oct 09 17:50:35 is there a wget for that? Oct 09 17:50:45 maybe? Oct 09 17:50:50 ipkg -o /var update Oct 09 17:50:56 since I can't do it with preware Oct 09 17:50:58 k Oct 09 17:51:00 thanks Oct 09 17:51:01 ipkg -o /var upgrade Oct 09 17:51:08 k Oct 09 17:51:15 sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst Oct 09 17:51:39 then a java service restart Oct 09 17:51:53 luna manager Oct 09 17:51:59 ftmfw Oct 09 17:52:14 thanks Oct 09 17:52:57 * oil_work threw down a thanks on egaudet's "Dude, don't f'ing take it. Don't use it, get lost. Honestly." post Oct 09 17:53:09 :D Oct 09 17:53:37 lol Oct 09 17:54:33 cant use luna manager as the package manager service is not runnin Oct 09 17:54:36 g Oct 09 17:55:21 I can just restart the phone, right? Oct 09 17:55:48 right Oct 09 17:57:17 why is the package manager service used by luna manager Oct 09 17:57:46 nm it's chicken and egg no matter what Oct 09 17:58:04 lol Oct 09 17:58:11 although a "rescan" service will probably never need an update Oct 09 17:58:23 cause the packagemanager is probably already installed Oct 09 17:58:26 so it uses it Oct 09 17:59:57 egaudet: you should have added "good luck with that app-limit" Oct 09 18:00:05 thats better. actually loaded something first. thank you. Oct 09 18:00:16 I dont want to put any backdoor insults to filecoaster Oct 09 18:00:28 lol Oct 09 18:00:42 well jason wrote it, right? he can probably take it Oct 09 18:00:42 xD Oct 09 18:00:46 lol Oct 09 18:00:59 hot coffee almost went all over my monitor Oct 09 18:01:09 that joke is never going to die Oct 09 18:01:16 :P Oct 09 18:01:22 lol Oct 09 18:01:43 so 094 will be a much better release Oct 09 18:01:53 its got notifications Oct 09 18:02:07 and weighted random-taglines Oct 09 18:02:12 and dependencies Oct 09 18:02:12 lol Oct 09 18:02:13 oil_work, have you done any work with regards to dashboard? Oct 09 18:02:24 * Mousey EPR's Oct 09 18:02:24 not yet Oct 09 18:02:34 too late Oct 09 18:02:36 i was going to play with it this evening Oct 09 18:02:51 since id like to have background-update-checks working by 1.0 Oct 09 18:04:19 but in 094, if you open preware, and send it to card and do something else Oct 09 18:04:25 when its done updating itl toss up a notification Oct 09 18:04:50 Can I suggest again there be a way to reinstall all the patches I had before running EPR? Oct 09 18:05:20 thats askin for trouble Oct 09 18:05:35 Ron: write the patches down on a sticky note. Run EPR. Look at the sticky note, iterating on each item you wrote down, find it and install it Oct 09 18:05:45 Ron: that's what I did ... Oct 09 18:05:52 tell oil to create a server side accounting... and preware will need to be upgrade to take advantage of it... so it could send info of all the apps and patches u have installed Oct 09 18:05:56 ;D Oct 09 18:06:02 that method has been working fine, just labor intensive Oct 09 18:06:17 maybe ill add a one-touch install option Oct 09 18:06:25 so you dont have to go through the view scene on each one Oct 09 18:06:28 you just tap it in the list and it installs Oct 09 18:06:47 that would help :) Oct 09 18:06:49 oil: so if I tap the "everything" entry, it'll install everything? Oct 09 18:06:52 oil_work, maybe multi-install checkbox Oct 09 18:07:05 maybe lots of awesome new features Oct 09 18:07:07 who knows?! Oct 09 18:07:12 :) Oct 09 18:07:14 hehe Oct 09 18:07:24 for sure u have some kind of roadmap Oct 09 18:07:24 :p Oct 09 18:07:34 and then luna restarts ignored go to the dash until you want Oct 09 18:07:40 multi-install via checkboxes would actually be pretty easy with how i wrote the multi-install part Oct 09 18:07:49 and "yes to all" scripts option for multi installs Oct 09 18:07:56 see Oct 09 18:07:59 thats where hte problem is Oct 09 18:08:03 thats handled by the service Oct 09 18:08:05 not by preware Oct 09 18:08:16 it would popup for each and every app you check off Oct 09 18:08:20 well Oct 09 18:08:23 every one with a postinst Oct 09 18:08:27 ok service needs a multi install option Oct 09 18:08:43 so oil is that how dependencies work now? Oct 09 18:08:50 it will popup for each postinst in a dependencies list Oct 09 18:09:08 right Oct 09 18:09:11 each one that has a postinst Oct 09 18:09:22 there is no way around it Oct 09 18:09:32 from preware there isn't Oct 09 18:09:32 the postinsts are a one shot Oct 09 18:09:40 (at the moment) Oct 09 18:09:45 the service would need to be changed Oct 09 18:09:54 and it would need to be done securely somehow Oct 09 18:09:58 yea :ahem: PuffTheMagic todo list update Oct 09 18:10:19 i said it before, dependencies should be handled by service anyway Oct 09 18:10:21 not preware Oct 09 18:10:57 confirmation app would need to be passed a list of scripts too, not just one Oct 09 18:11:36 right Oct 09 18:11:40 and with libipkg and the C service it might be easier Oct 09 18:11:50 can't you just cat them all together Oct 09 18:12:04 it MIGHT use the callback for each installed dependency Oct 09 18:12:23 like it uses a callback for info for each package in the list Oct 09 18:12:30 egaudet: that guy really asid he's going to use filecoaster instad Oct 09 18:12:30 lmfao Oct 09 18:12:39 i mean for each postinst script to run (in dependency order?) have them cat'd together into one big script for the service to present THAT for confirmation? Oct 09 18:12:41 lol Oct 09 18:12:53 egaudet: i think he hurt our feelings bro Oct 09 18:13:02 that guy is an idiot Oct 09 18:13:05 and deserves nothing Oct 09 18:13:06 yea i seen that Oct 09 18:13:07 lol Oct 09 18:13:15 that statement really made me laugh Oct 09 18:13:16 * Mousey thinks . o O ( my idea's that bad?? ) Oct 09 18:13:21 filecoaster is the new replacement for preware, right? Oct 09 18:13:28 oh Oct 09 18:13:29 that Oct 09 18:13:30 nt4cats: lmfaoo Oct 09 18:13:35 lol "naaahhhhhht" Oct 09 18:13:38 * nt4cats deletes preware and installs filecoaster Oct 09 18:13:45 egaudet: your forgot (borat voice) Oct 09 18:14:09 you** Oct 09 18:14:11 I did "nahhhhhhhhht" forget borat voice Oct 09 18:14:15 (borat voice) Oct 09 18:14:37 lol Oct 09 18:14:59 that made my day Oct 09 18:15:10 Mousey, cat the scripts together or run them one by one makes no difference Oct 09 18:15:19 well no it does mak a difference Oct 09 18:15:27 the end of each script does exit 0 Oct 09 18:15:31 let me be the first to say, the new apps sofar today are all garbage Oct 09 18:15:36 so only 1st would be run Oct 09 18:15:48 but the issue with java service is that it uses ipkg binary which does the ipk dependencies itself Oct 09 18:15:50 i think he is saying simply for display purposes Oct 09 18:15:55 not for running like that Oct 09 18:15:59 just so the user can see all the scripts Oct 09 18:16:00 oh Oct 09 18:16:02 polymorphism bad Oct 09 18:16:20 yah, just so it's just One Big Script(tm) in the end Oct 09 18:16:33 personally i think it's a bad idea Oct 09 18:16:41 what don't ever say bad things about polymorphism Oct 09 18:16:42 again Oct 09 18:16:48 ^_^ Oct 09 18:16:55 :P Oct 09 18:19:02 i think i'm going to try some of the ondemand scaling and stuff soon Oct 09 18:19:23 didnt puff write a service for that? Oct 09 18:19:28 did he? Oct 09 18:20:20 oh yea and btw for testing the libcurl timeouts puff, we can just try with bad internet service Oct 09 18:20:26 like i have at work Oct 09 18:20:29 for ubermonitor-not-just-monitor-anymore Oct 09 18:20:35 so updating takes forever Oct 09 18:20:58 awesome so i need to reboot to tell the service to stop updating? Oct 09 18:22:28 oil_work change that error Oct 09 18:22:35 "package manager service is not running" Oct 09 18:22:53 to "is not responding" Oct 09 18:24:57 aye? Oct 09 18:25:03 you got that error? you're on 094? Oct 09 18:25:57 i'm stuck updating because i got crappy evdo service and no wifi here. I try luna manager to restart java but obviously the service won't respond because it's busy updating forever Oct 09 18:26:14 yeah Oct 09 18:26:22 there are definately some problems in there yet to be worked out Oct 09 18:26:24 lol Oct 09 18:28:12 one day I might crack open preware code and touch it, but until then I'll just keep yelling at you :P Oct 09 18:30:29 preware can't really do anything about that problem Oct 09 18:30:34 thats a service problem Oct 09 18:30:41 getting stuck Oct 09 18:30:43 and not letting anything else talk to it Oct 09 18:31:06 and, as far as the wording of the error, ill change it when i get home if i remember Oct 09 18:32:44 yea i know the issue, C service transition is gonna be awesome Oct 09 18:33:09 the wording was all I was concerned about in regards to what the user sees Oct 09 18:33:25 but not big deal Oct 09 18:35:46 its not a big deal, i just suck at writing error messages Oct 09 18:35:54 lol Oct 09 18:37:20 lol just make all your error messages be "Now why did you have to go and do that?" Oct 09 18:38:38 is there something up with the Character Counter patch? I'm getting a ErrorGenerciMethodException: Failure during'postinst' operation error Oct 09 18:39:15 * Mousey upgrades package mangler service, restarts java Oct 09 18:39:55 Ron0001: it is on the list of "1.2.1 OK" patches Oct 09 18:40:10 i think im going to install package manager and preware 0.0.1 when i get home Oct 09 18:40:13 for nostalgic reasons Oct 09 18:40:16 Ron0001, need more error info Oct 09 18:40:16 xD Oct 09 18:40:33 egaudet, be happy to, but tell me how/where Oct 09 18:40:50 preware? Oct 09 18:40:52 ipkg log Oct 09 18:41:01 Preware yes Oct 09 18:41:08 I'm looking at the log Oct 09 18:41:24 any hunk fail or -R comments Oct 09 18:42:09 reversed or previously applied patch detected Oct 09 18:42:09 I need opinions! Oct 09 18:42:31 egaudet, that was right after EPR and a luna restart Oct 09 18:42:53 kesne: I think that George Will is a handsome man Oct 09 18:43:01 :P Oct 09 18:43:01 kesne: I dislike being cold Oct 09 18:43:03 http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/checkerspro_2009-09-10_113440.jpg Oct 09 18:43:07 Likes/dislikes Oct 09 18:43:18 did you originally install the char counter patch another way? Oct 09 18:43:24 oops Oct 09 18:43:26 so does palm require your app end in a .99 price? Oct 09 18:43:26 old quick install, quilt, manual etc// Oct 09 18:43:26 * Mousey did it wrong Oct 09 18:43:33 what if i wanted to sell something for $1.23? Oct 09 18:43:42 You can Oct 09 18:43:44 oil_work Oct 09 18:43:45 I don't like the diagonal ribbon of highlight on the middle of the buttons Oct 09 18:43:47 awesome Oct 09 18:43:53 lol Oct 09 18:43:55 kesne: other than that I like it Oct 09 18:43:56 egaudet, through preware, before the upgrade, but ran EPR before upgrading it Oct 09 18:44:04 nt4cats: Whats wrong with it? Oct 09 18:44:34 egauder, and yes to quilt, but that was before I webosdr'd it at 1.2 Oct 09 18:44:35 kesne: well, it doesn't look like a reflection or a highlight caused by a light source because it appears in the same spot on each button Oct 09 18:44:44 kesne: it looks strange to me Oct 09 18:44:51 ah Oct 09 18:44:57 It's an effect that I use universall Oct 09 18:44:58 y Oct 09 18:45:01 did you let EPR run all the way ? Oct 09 18:45:08 I used it in Breakout as well Oct 09 18:45:33 did you remove a theme or use QI to remove any tweaks after running EPR Oct 09 18:45:35 you have a top-to-bottom fade going on the checkers, the board in the background ... maybe carry that through? Oct 09 18:46:13 I dunno -- but when I opened up the image the first thing I wondered was why is the left side of the buttons darker than the middle Oct 09 18:46:28 no, ran epr, then the Preware update, then the patch failed Oct 09 18:46:51 I did remove a theme with preware Oct 09 18:47:17 * oil_work wonders if preware thread will hit 100 pages today thanks to autopatch xD Oct 09 18:47:24 so the answer was yes, not no? Oct 09 18:47:26 THAT'S IT, I'M GOING BACK TO FILECOASTER! Oct 09 18:47:43 just kidding.. Oct 09 18:47:48 Removing the theme may have used a backup of a file that contained the patched messaging files Oct 09 18:47:49 kesne: overall I like it. That is the only element that seems a bit forced (doesn't fit in with everything else or serve a purpose on its own) Oct 09 18:48:11 right, then yes to removing a theme Oct 09 18:48:13 Alright Oct 09 18:48:15 so a workaroudn that MIGHT work is the following Oct 09 18:48:39 try to install the char counter , hit cancel when dialog comes up Oct 09 18:48:45 restart preware Oct 09 18:48:53 remove char acounter Oct 09 18:49:23 time for lunch! Oct 09 18:51:14 your good! it now thinks its there, but gave an error on uninstall. Unreversed patch detected Oct 09 18:52:09 egaudet: Oct 09 18:52:18 egaudet: syn|ack Oct 09 18:53:00 Ron0001, this tells me that some of the files in the patch are patched and some aren't, are you ok with command line? Oct 09 18:53:06 dBsooner-work, yea? Oct 09 18:53:10 sure Oct 09 18:53:30 cd / Oct 09 18:53:43 k Oct 09 18:53:44 egaudet: do you think there is some sort of application control plugin for mediawiki? Oct 09 18:54:06 preware's been "updating" for like 5 minutes no Oct 09 18:54:06 w Oct 09 18:54:11 oooh. i keep losing signa Oct 09 18:54:12 l Oct 09 18:54:16 egaudet: something where people can post that they have a patch ready for submittal to the webos-patches feed Oct 09 18:54:21 /var/usr/bin/patch -p1 < /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-character-counter/messaging-character-counter.patch Oct 09 18:54:39 a central location for gathering patches together. instead of me having to go find them, they can come find me. ;) Oct 09 18:54:40 Ron0001, hit enter through the "unreversed patch" prompts to skip the already unpatched files Oct 09 18:54:59 then do ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-character-counter Oct 09 18:55:01 IT WORKS!!! Oct 09 18:55:04 restart preware and try to install Oct 09 18:55:08 * Mousey huggles #webos-internals Oct 09 18:55:27 dBsooner-work, no idea Oct 09 18:55:37 egaudet: you're no good Oct 09 18:55:42 sorry :( Oct 09 18:55:53 someone might know Oct 09 18:56:04 I don't know anything about mediawiki Oct 09 18:56:13 i suppose I could write a php app Oct 09 18:56:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_No_Good Oct 09 18:56:27 Did anybody here pixi-fy their emulator Oct 09 18:56:58 egaudet, ok. done. Oct 09 18:57:27 * nt4cats now has "You're no good, You're no good, You're no good, baby You're no good. [I'm gonna say it again!] You're no good ..." in his head Oct 09 18:57:59 egaudet, I have a client waiting - brb Oct 09 18:58:14 Ron0001, ok, what was the last step you did? the ipkg remove? Oct 09 18:58:56 i hate themes Oct 09 18:59:20 lol Oct 09 18:59:24 egaudet: I'm relatively unafraid to apply patches, but I've actually not done any themes yet because I am a bit afraid there. Oct 09 18:59:34 was this a theme overwriting the messaging apps css/html? Oct 09 18:59:39 nt4cats, yea be afraid, very afraid Oct 09 18:59:42 (for now) Oct 09 18:59:52 * Mousey has had relatively little issue with themes Oct 09 19:00:09 dBsooner-work, yea the theme removal reverts to .bak backup files and the .bak was created from files that were patched Oct 09 19:00:11 * dBsooner-work only installs png themes. Oct 09 19:00:20 so unisntalling the theme "repatched" SOME of the files Oct 09 19:00:28 egaudet: exactly why there has to be some control Oct 09 19:00:43 dBsooner-work, you can't tell what themes are "only png" unless you look at the postinst on prethemer themes Oct 09 19:00:46 egaudet: I know.. I brought that up long ago.. way back when I said, CSS/JS replacement is bad Oct 09 19:01:09 egaudet: which I do Oct 09 19:01:12 I'm glad you noticed it because I had always assumed themes were image only Oct 09 19:02:10 but we'll be working with prethemer to get them to use autopatch technology so the future is bright Oct 09 19:02:31 and jason? Oct 09 19:02:38 i think 5x4 is the most important patch ever created Oct 09 19:02:45 for now there is really no way to handle these issues on a larger scale, the only thing I can do is suggest that users don't install themes Oct 09 19:03:04 or install png only themes Oct 09 19:03:05 does autopatch have a graceful way to handle multiple patches make mods to the same file? Oct 09 19:03:07 I still can't install patches lol Oct 09 19:03:09 Jason told me already he would make the css stuff autopatch compatible Oct 09 19:03:22 haven't talked with him about it since (since the css replacement issue was discovered) Oct 09 19:03:25 nt4cats: sure.. it either will patch it or it won';t Oct 09 19:03:30 hmm, should i use WOQI to install patches anymore now that it's behind preware?\ Oct 09 19:03:32 nt4cats, yea Oct 09 19:03:40 the graceful way is GNU patch Oct 09 19:03:44 nt4cats: if two patches modify the same lines, it won't patch Oct 09 19:03:48 verify with --dry-run, and then patch Oct 09 19:03:53 The only way for me to install patches is QI or manually with quilt Oct 09 19:03:57 egaudet, ok, done. although im not sure if it all ran the way you expected Oct 09 19:04:01 and the file is backed up only the FIRST time it is touched, and EPR uses that backup Oct 09 19:04:16 Eguy, why? Oct 09 19:04:28 Ron0001, why? Oct 09 19:04:34 egaudet: do you md5sum check the file BEFORE backing it up? Oct 09 19:04:34 Nothing happens after the postinst prompt Oct 09 19:04:42 (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-character-counter.prerm) Oct 09 19:04:44 dBsooner-work, no Oct 09 19:04:49 egaudet: I would Oct 09 19:04:51 no Oct 09 19:04:56 it just stays at installing with the spinning circle Oct 09 19:05:11 md5sum check prior to back up is too limiting Oct 09 19:05:13 what if i add a manual patch to a file Oct 09 19:05:24 if I want to go customize a copule files manually, and then use a bunch of patches I should be able to Oct 09 19:05:33 and then EPR can bring me back to my manual customizations Oct 09 19:05:34 then install a patch to that file, and it's the first time patching it.. you back that one up.. Oct 09 19:05:41 yea Oct 09 19:05:44 ok Oct 09 19:05:52 well then you shoudl clarify EPR Oct 09 19:05:54 ;) Oct 09 19:06:02 that's why AutoPatch is intended to be a STANDARD for webos modifications :P Oct 09 19:06:16 clarify EPR? it is described Oct 09 19:06:24 in the ipkg log everything is fine but the offline root mode yada yada is red Oct 09 19:06:34 Right, but right now you have a melting pot of customization level Oct 09 19:06:35 is that normal? just restart luna? Oct 09 19:06:44 in other words.. yo uhave many users that have patched things in diff ways Oct 09 19:07:11 Eguy: restart phone Oct 09 19:07:24 and offline root mode is normal Oct 09 19:07:25 Eguy, did it "succeed" Oct 09 19:07:33 there is another error mixed in with it Oct 09 19:07:44 dBsooner-work, it's impossible to support a world wide multiple patching configurations Oct 09 19:07:50 that's why autopatch was created to be the standard Oct 09 19:07:51 I didn't get an installtion sucsessful prompt Oct 09 19:07:59 no.. improbable.. not impossible. Oct 09 19:08:03 wow lots of typos Oct 09 19:08:20 Eguy, then you must have an error in the ipkg log (and offline root is not an error) Oct 09 19:08:34 egaudet, ipkg remove gave the following response: (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-character-counter.prerm) Oct 09 19:08:36 nope nothing other than offline root mode Oct 09 19:08:39 dBsooner-work, no impossible not improbable Oct 09 19:08:41 offline root mode just means -o /var was passed Oct 09 19:08:47 impossible without huge limitations Oct 09 19:09:34 Ron0001, expected Oct 09 19:09:34 you should be able to install via preware now Oct 09 19:09:34 yup patch did not work fure Oct 09 19:09:34 for sure* Oct 09 19:09:34 Eguy... what is error Oct 09 19:09:34 no errors Oct 09 19:09:34 yes there are Oct 09 19:09:37 screenshot the entire ipkg log Oct 09 19:09:39 read that ipkg log Oct 09 19:09:47 I closed preware Oct 09 19:09:49 too late Oct 09 19:09:58 lol Oct 09 19:09:58 it says what you would expect Oct 09 19:10:04 installing to root Oct 09 19:10:06 try it again and screenshot it Oct 09 19:10:09 i have seen errors in the top in green Oct 09 19:10:33 the green/red isn't perfect indicators, the scripts just output to stdout even with errors Oct 09 19:10:35 talking about incorrect md5sum.. or chunk #3 of 5 failed. Oct 09 19:10:35 and it be in green Oct 09 19:10:35 in the top section Oct 09 19:10:44 preware thinks it is installed Oct 09 19:11:06 did you hit cancel on the script? Oct 09 19:11:13 I hit ok Oct 09 19:11:14 are you running old version of preware/package manager Oct 09 19:11:19 oil ping Oct 09 19:11:21 no I am not a n00b Oct 09 19:11:22 :P Oct 09 19:11:39 I have never been able to install patches ever since they were included Oct 09 19:11:55 GNU patch up to date? Oct 09 19:11:57 since 0.9.0 Oct 09 19:12:05 Yes Oct 09 19:12:29 Eguy you might be getting remount errors Oct 09 19:12:29 reboot pre didn't work? Oct 09 19:12:29 I always leave it on rw if that is a problem? Oct 09 19:12:29 no Oct 09 19:12:42 though it will get remounted back to ro by package manager Oct 09 19:12:45 I think Oct 09 19:12:46 I just tried to remove the patch and ipkg log says nothing interesting Oct 09 19:12:54 I disagree Oct 09 19:12:54 but it fialed? Oct 09 19:12:56 failed * Oct 09 19:13:07 still says removing with the spinning circle Oct 09 19:13:12 been 2 minutes Oct 09 19:13:25 be patient Oct 09 19:13:30 I guess I am stuck with using QI Oct 09 19:13:45 it takes 1 second with terminal how can this be different? Oct 09 19:13:58 you don't have a magical pre, we can debug/fix this if you want Oct 09 19:14:20 what takes 1 second with terminal? Oct 09 19:14:23 where are the patches stored I am going to have to remove this with a CLI Oct 09 19:14:37 is the patch applied? Oct 09 19:14:48 no Oct 09 19:14:56 but preware thinks it is Oct 09 19:15:04 ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches. Oct 09 19:15:05 ipkg -o /var remove package Oct 09 19:15:15 ah yes Oct 09 19:15:15 or that Oct 09 19:15:16 right Oct 09 19:15:24 Eguy! Oct 09 19:15:26 actually why don't you try Oct 09 19:15:29 to run the postinst Oct 09 19:15:32 from CLI Oct 09 19:15:39 and see what errors you get Oct 09 19:15:52 hmm I forgot the postinst file name Oct 09 19:16:48 dBsooner-work, swipe browser history i think needs 1.2.1 port Oct 09 19:16:55 (browser app change from 1.2 to 1.2.1) Oct 09 19:16:57 weird Oct 09 19:16:58 i know Oct 09 19:17:13 sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.patches..postinst Oct 09 19:17:16 Eguy ^^ Oct 09 19:17:34 http://pastebin.com/d7f68c0d5 Oct 09 19:17:39 I know egaudet Oct 09 19:18:08 now it's there. Oct 09 19:18:25 So it is obvious to me my preware does not run postinst's Oct 09 19:18:29 that looked clean Oct 09 19:18:34 that has always been my problem Oct 09 19:20:18 that doesn't make sense Oct 09 19:20:27 can you now remove it from preware Oct 09 19:20:36 probably not Oct 09 19:20:59 This has been the case ever since patching was enabled within preware egaudet. Oct 09 19:21:57 screenshot me the preware error screen and ipkg log Oct 09 19:21:59 i think your pre is borked. ;) Oct 09 19:22:01 when you try to remove it Oct 09 19:22:02 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/206905-webos-quick-install-v2-7-beyond-65.html#post1964091 Oct 09 19:22:05 more copyright yay Oct 09 19:22:44 weird it says I have the autopatch feed installed in preware but I took it out Oct 09 19:23:05 where does it say you have it installed? Oct 09 19:23:10 under feed Oct 09 19:23:18 under feed where Oct 09 19:23:22 maybe because I did it with a command line Oct 09 19:23:29 under installed packages Oct 09 19:23:55 i think autopatch is still the name for the new patch feed Oct 09 19:23:56 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1964117&posted=1#post1964117 Oct 09 19:23:59 Rod was going to fix I think Oct 09 19:24:02 I just tried removing the patch: nothing interesting Oct 09 19:24:17 what do you mean nothing interesting Oct 09 19:24:21 i thoguht it was webos-patches.conf Oct 09 19:24:23 did you get prompted for a script? Oct 09 19:24:28 did it error? Oct 09 19:24:29 that is what it says under preware Oct 09 19:24:32 no error Oct 09 19:24:38 I got the postinst prompt Oct 09 19:24:40 I hit ok Oct 09 19:24:42 nothing Oct 09 19:24:46 just says removing Oct 09 19:24:52 so wait for it to remove Oct 09 19:24:56 egaudet: im going camping for the weekend in 2 hours Oct 09 19:25:03 I have been waiting Oct 09 19:25:03 incause anyone is looking for me Oct 09 19:25:08 k Oct 09 19:25:16 lol.. PuffTheMagic_ I was looking for you all night Oct 09 19:25:20 WHERE IS PuffTheMagic?!? Oct 09 19:25:22 I'll be partying for my bday all weekend so i'll be off and on Oct 09 19:25:22 but you wouldn't answer me. Oct 09 19:25:26 * Robi_ off to the big island Oct 09 19:25:41 I am just going to use preware for applications only Oct 09 19:25:48 This seems impossible Oct 09 19:26:12 Eguy, try uninstalling and reinstalling the package manager and preware Oct 09 19:26:27 egaudet: I have done that at least 10 times Oct 09 19:26:52 well let's start doing some luna-send's to the package manage Oct 09 19:26:58 to mimic what preware is doing Oct 09 19:27:04 I have done everything you can think of Oct 09 19:27:35 If I do it from QI or from the command line it works fine Oct 09 19:27:43 package manager v 097 Oct 09 19:28:26 we know you get the confirmation app popup Oct 09 19:28:29 we need to debug from there Oct 09 19:28:39 removing is useless Oct 09 19:28:46 because it just says nothing interesting Oct 09 19:29:11 you said it's still spinning removing Oct 09 19:29:16 yes Oct 09 19:29:18 how do you see nothing interesting? Oct 09 19:29:24 hi folks. trying to use the new and wondeful sounding meta-doctor - but not really sure what to do. Can anyone give me a hand? Oct 09 19:29:24 but the log stays the same Oct 09 19:29:35 the log is stdout Oct 09 19:29:35 I have got myself an ubuntu vm and checked ou tthe tool Oct 09 19:29:37 stderr Oct 09 19:29:48 Eguy from terminal type "which sh" Oct 09 19:30:15 oil eat quicke! Oct 09 19:30:16 quicker* Oct 09 19:30:24 dBsooner-work: sorry i was reformatting my lappy putting exherbo on it last night Oct 09 19:30:24 ? Oct 09 19:30:26 "/bin/sh" Oct 09 19:31:05 ls -l /bin/sh Oct 09 19:31:08 cat /etc/shells Oct 09 19:31:26 oil, from the confirmation app where does it go when you click ok Oct 09 19:32:52 what do you mean? Oct 09 19:33:01 the service calls the conf app? Oct 09 19:33:03 exherbo? Oct 09 19:33:07 then the user taps ok Oct 09 19:33:10 egaudet: http://pastebin.com/d7b84033c Oct 09 19:33:13 and the confirmation app calls the service? Oct 09 19:33:16 and the conf app calls the service to tell it what button Oct 09 19:33:17 yeah Oct 09 19:33:31 how does it do that Oct 09 19:33:39 Eguy is having issues getting from conf app to running scripts Oct 09 19:33:45 root@castle:/# ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.phone-add-roam-control-to-prefs Removing package org.webosinternals.patches.phone-add-roam-control-to-prefs from root... (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.patches.phone-add-roam-control-to-prefs.prerm) worked fine Oct 09 19:33:59 it's gone now Oct 09 19:34:07 so preware can't remove it Oct 09 19:34:11 for what ever reason Oct 09 19:34:26 Eguy you didn't run the prerm so it didnt' unpatch it Oct 09 19:34:44 not yet Oct 09 19:34:50 not yet what? Oct 09 19:34:55 didn't run it Oct 09 19:35:14 ipk remove removes the prerm Oct 09 19:35:27 oh so then yes Oct 09 19:35:30 hence the name "pre" remove Oct 09 19:35:51 well preware does not do anything Oct 09 19:35:57 egaudet, I try to rerun and get no such file: /var/usr/bin/patch -p1 < /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.patches.messag Oct 09 19:35:57 ing-character-counter/messaging-character-counter.patch Oct 09 19:35:57 -sh: cannot open /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-character-counter/messaging-character-counter.patch: no such file Oct 09 19:35:58 only ipkg remove does Oct 09 19:36:25 Ron0001, ls /var/usr/palm/applications/ Oct 09 19:36:42 Eguy, preware does do something Oct 09 19:36:48 you just are stuck on it running the script Oct 09 19:36:58 okay. so what's the "right" way to update to 0.9.3 from the command line? I already have the autopatch feed, never used this EPR thing. can I just do an ipkg upgrade? Oct 09 19:37:02 It looks like it does not even run the script Oct 09 19:37:02 and if you stop it before ti runs the script it wont continue to remove it it Oct 09 19:37:10 egaudet, found this: org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-character-counter Oct 09 19:37:22 jauderho, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware Oct 09 19:37:37 Ron0001, ls /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-character-counter Oct 09 19:37:48 anyone know how to scroll an irssi chat buffer up? Oct 09 19:38:03 egaudet, nothing there Oct 09 19:38:08 dBsooner-work: yeah exherbo is a gentoo fork Oct 09 19:38:15 ahh Oct 09 19:38:41 weird the patch is still applied Oct 09 19:38:50 even though I removed it Oct 09 19:38:54 ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-character-counter Oct 09 19:38:57 Eguy: because you didn't run the prerm before you removed it Oct 09 19:38:58 Ron0001, ^^ Oct 09 19:39:03 oh Oct 09 19:39:06 ipkg -o /var package does not run prerm Oct 09 19:39:06 woops Oct 09 19:39:13 :D Oct 09 19:39:22 didn't i just say that Oct 09 19:39:28 you did Oct 09 19:39:48 egaudet, hehe, there is a patch there now. Oct 09 19:39:54 egaudet: you did Oct 09 19:40:00 run that big /var/usr/bin/patch line again Ron0001 Oct 09 19:40:24 Eguy, your preware problem seems to lie between the link from the confirmation app and the service running the script... OR your impatience :P Oct 09 19:40:32 hahaha Oct 09 19:40:39 what about both? Oct 09 19:40:52 I have let it run for 30 minutes once and nothing happened Oct 09 19:41:02 what about impertinence? Oct 09 19:41:03 oh well sh: can't open /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.patches.phone-add-roam-control-to-prefs.prerm Oct 09 19:41:08 egaudet, and hit return [n] through all of them? Oct 09 19:41:15 i can't imagine a removal taking more than a min or two to complete Oct 09 19:41:23 me neither Oct 09 19:41:26 heck, EPR with 50 patches installed only took me 4 mins Oct 09 19:43:32 egaudet: what's the string for the feed? Oct 09 19:43:40 guys, can i get NES/SNES on the pre? Oct 09 19:44:00 for the ipkg conf Oct 09 19:46:08 Ron0001, yea return through all Oct 09 19:46:11 bleh Oct 09 19:46:53 Eguy the prerm won't be there again until you ipkg -o /var install it again Oct 09 19:46:58 yeah Oct 09 19:47:02 so do tht Oct 09 19:47:03 I know Oct 09 19:47:04 then run prerm Oct 09 19:47:12 then remove Oct 09 19:47:12 well I want the patch there :P Oct 09 19:47:15 oh Oct 09 19:47:20 well do the install anyway Oct 09 19:47:28 we'll fix your confirmation app Oct 09 19:47:28 but I can't install it with preware Oct 09 19:47:48 jauderho, what feed? Oct 09 19:48:35 guys, can i get NES/SNES on the pre? Oct 09 19:48:44 egaudet: nevermind. there was the autopatches.conf file for ipkg Oct 09 19:48:54 autopatch.conf is old Oct 09 19:49:05 I just saw that doing a ipkg upgrade and running the postinstall removed it Oct 09 19:49:10 yep Oct 09 19:49:14 so should be all good now Oct 09 19:49:21 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I am a idiot Oct 09 19:49:26 I have been applying patches via quilt Oct 09 19:49:35 guess I should try the new method. Oct 09 19:49:35 should i switch my pre for the hero Oct 09 19:49:38 make sure to remove it from preware if you installed it that way too (autopatch-feed ipk) Oct 09 19:50:12 jauderho, if you do make sure to quilt pop -a first Oct 09 19:50:17 prerm is the opposite of postinst hah Oct 09 19:50:26 * Eguy bangs head on wall Oct 09 19:50:39 to those who care i was recently informed that 1.2.1 webos dr will be posted sometime late today~ Oct 09 19:50:49 ah good Oct 09 19:50:52 Eguy, yea it goes install -> post-install -> pre-remove -> remove Oct 09 19:51:06 ok patch is removed cleanly Oct 09 19:51:14 egaudet: yeah. I will Oct 09 19:51:49 if I run ipkg on the command line to update preware+service, I don't have to run a prerm right? just the postinst Oct 09 19:51:49 hmm Oct 09 19:52:02 app catalog is saving ipks in /media/internal/downloads Oct 09 19:52:05 anyone know whys? Oct 09 19:52:09 hah preware still says it is installed Oct 09 19:53:08 jauderho, for the ipkgservice yea I believe so Oct 09 19:53:31 en0x, since when? Oct 09 19:53:36 under the patch page it just has remove Oct 09 19:53:36 alrighty Oct 09 19:53:46 but as we know that does not do anything Oct 09 19:53:49 Eguy update feeds Oct 09 19:53:57 I just updated the feeds Oct 09 19:54:02 running prerm does not remove Oct 09 19:54:23 I did the ipkg remove and the prerm Oct 09 19:54:28 need more? Oct 09 19:54:40 after the ipkg remove preware shouldn't see ita nymore Oct 09 19:55:42 egaudet: look Oct 09 19:55:44 root@castle:/media/internal/downloads# ls Oct 09 19:55:44 oh it was still installed I did it before Oct 09 19:55:45 com.palm.pandora_0.9.12_all_signed.ipk Oct 09 19:55:49 com.pivotallabs.webos.tweed_0.9.16_all_signed.ipk Oct 09 19:55:55 com.linkedin.mobile_1.0_all.ipk Oct 09 19:55:58 ;D Oct 09 19:56:25 en0x: easy hacking. The Catalog seems quite insecure right now Oct 09 19:56:47 so it looks liek i download paid apps i will have them there too Oct 09 19:56:49 hmm Oct 09 19:56:55 maybe i will buy something just to check Oct 09 19:57:04 support the developers! Oct 09 19:57:18 will see Oct 09 19:57:26 ok egaudet: gone from preware Oct 09 19:57:50 unless you want to use me as a debug dummy I am just going to stick with using CLI/QI for installing patches Oct 09 19:57:55 oil, how do we debug the confirmation app to postinst running for Eguy? Oct 09 19:58:11 oil won't help me hahaha Oct 09 19:58:37 can't leave an issue as "bah I don't know"... have to figure it out! :P Oct 09 19:58:58 I can :P I am not a developer '_ Oct 09 19:58:59 egaudet, done. Now ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-character-counter? Oct 09 19:59:00 ;)* Oct 09 19:59:13 ok so i'm downloading intersection now Oct 09 19:59:16 paid app for 99 cents Oct 09 19:59:36 I can't even buy an app because of the memory limit thing Thanks Palm! Oct 09 19:59:49 i expanded /var to 2GB Oct 09 19:59:49 ;] Oct 09 20:00:04 yes folks Oct 09 20:00:07 there you have it Oct 09 20:00:13 portman@castle:/media/internal/downloads$ ls Oct 09 20:00:13 I don't want to make any changes like that to be honest Oct 09 20:00:15 com.rustyapps.intersection_0.1.6_all.ipk Oct 09 20:00:16 ;D Oct 09 20:00:24 told u Oct 09 20:00:30 somebody should pm palm Oct 09 20:00:31 ;] Oct 09 20:00:39 oh wait Oct 09 20:00:40 hmm Oct 09 20:00:43 en0x: you figured out how webos piracy takes place, they need to work on the catalog Oct 09 20:00:43 it removed it Oct 09 20:00:55 Ron0001, yes Oct 09 20:01:05 ipkg install removed it Oct 09 20:01:05 you guys know what happens this weekend? Oct 09 20:01:09 but still you can close the app catalog when it finishes download Oct 09 20:01:13 and u get the app Oct 09 20:01:18 Decimation: webOS 2.0? Oct 09 20:01:21 ok i'm out Oct 09 20:01:24 lateraz Oct 09 20:01:58 hey look! I have an update available in the app catalog! Oh wait! I can't install it because I am out of memory Oct 09 20:02:36 en0x, so what? Oct 09 20:02:49 Eguy: login to your Pre as root and delete random files. That'll make space for you Oct 09 20:03:10 nt4cats: I have tons of free space in var Oct 09 20:03:23 I just have more than 50 packages installed Oct 09 20:03:36 so it gives me the limit Oct 09 20:03:39 Eguy: how do you define tons? Oct 09 20:03:56 Eguy: I WISH Oct 09 20:04:14 Eguy: i was just gonna let you know im getting my zunehd this weekend Oct 09 20:04:27 just downloaded the zune software, its WAY better than any ive used before Oct 09 20:04:42 yes zune 4.0 is a lot better than 3.0 Oct 09 20:04:44 * loot- lights his torch Oct 09 20:04:48 * loot- grabs his pitch fork Oct 09 20:04:58 the software is amazing, cant wait to get the hardware Oct 09 20:05:01 * loot- assembles the villagers Oct 09 20:05:06 worse case scenerio i dont get it ill monday Oct 09 20:05:12 is it ups? Oct 09 20:05:18 /dev/mapper/store-var Oct 09 20:05:18 248.0M 117.2M 130.7M 47% /var Oct 09 20:05:22 not shipping Oct 09 20:05:28 waiting for paypal money to post in my bank account Oct 09 20:05:37 eguy: how about yours? Oct 09 20:05:39 I think I have 42% nt4cats Oct 09 20:05:40 actually if your total apps size is more than 50MB, it will not let you install more apps Oct 09 20:05:48 the transactions are complete according to paypal, just waiting for the bank now. Oct 09 20:05:49 regardless of how many apps you have. Oct 09 20:06:06 oh it grew Oct 09 20:06:06 jaud: I have 117M installed, so that's not true ... Oct 09 20:06:09 44% Oct 09 20:06:42 .. and I have 50 apps installed right now .. Oct 09 20:06:45 What is this CL USB Sync? Oct 09 20:06:45 well it was for me. as soon as I went over 50MB, app catalog said no more even though I only had like 38 apps installed Oct 09 20:06:57 usb sync to outlook now? Oct 09 20:06:57 could not even update Oct 09 20:07:05 serious sadness Oct 09 20:07:05 jauderho: same with me Oct 09 20:07:12 do you guys think there will be another update of 1.3, or 1.4, or do you think palm will go right to 2.0? Oct 09 20:07:12 I am just waiting for a fix Oct 09 20:07:26 egaudet, I am still getting errors with install Oct 09 20:07:32 i personally think they are going to release 2.0 with a few wanted easy fixes, along with a video camera. Oct 09 20:07:35 Decimation: I hate os updates....re applying patches/tweaks lol Oct 09 20:07:50 hey all, trying to use the package builder you have at the git repo...should I be able to take a normal eclipse project directory and build using the script on git,toolchain-ipkg-utils-ipkg-build.sh Oct 09 20:07:54 Eguy, takes 5 minutes at the most for me :P Oct 09 20:08:00 I love OS updates if they make things faster/more stable/save battery =) Oct 09 20:08:04 It does but I am too lazy Oct 09 20:08:06 haha Oct 09 20:08:08 :P Oct 09 20:08:32 If they don't add video recording there are going to be serious problems Oct 09 20:08:45 should i just go to bestbuy, or buy my zune online and get fancy art work on the back. Oct 09 20:08:54 I have the plain one Oct 09 20:09:00 Eguy: yeah, forsure, its okay for now, but it SHOULD happen soon Oct 09 20:09:03 but don't get it from best buy Oct 09 20:09:12 Eguy: you have one?!? satisfied? Oct 09 20:09:12 Ron0001, what errors in ipkg log Oct 09 20:09:17 it will be broken from best buy Oct 09 20:09:31 I have a 120 Oct 09 20:09:39 close enough :P Oct 09 20:09:52 :P Oct 09 20:09:58 cant wait for my zune hd. Oct 09 20:10:30 lol Oct 09 20:10:37 * Eguy wants 120gb zune hd Oct 09 20:10:44 32gb = fail Oct 09 20:11:17 egaudet: let me know if you find a solution to try Oct 09 20:11:23 for now I am just going to leave it Oct 09 20:11:25 egaudet, is there a way to pull it up in terminal? Oct 09 20:12:58 so I just got my replacement car charger from monoprice (first one just died completely). I plug it in and the puppy starts smoking... Oct 09 20:13:25 makes me sad that I have no working car charger. Oct 09 20:14:31 literally? Oct 09 20:15:41 yes Oct 09 20:15:44 SMOKE Oct 09 20:15:49 Ron0001, no ipkg log shows you stdout of that current attempt Oct 09 20:15:52 and stderr in red Oct 09 20:15:57 out of the charger Oct 09 20:15:58 I was like WTH Oct 09 20:16:05 hahahah Oct 09 20:16:10 so I should probably update the patch scripts to echo into stderr so errors can be in red Oct 09 20:16:11 cheap stuff from monoprice Oct 09 20:16:53 why don't you spend 10 bucks and get one from wal-mart? Oct 09 20:17:03 even wal-mart is higher quality than monoprice on some stuff Oct 09 20:17:10 I got the 1a seidio one with my battery Oct 09 20:17:22 turns out seidio's 1350mah battery is 1150mah Oct 09 20:17:34 I am going to have a nice phone call with them Oct 09 20:19:39 egaudet, patch to chatview-assistant.js was not applied (reversed or previously applied error), patch to CharacterCounter.js Hunk 1 succeeded with 8 line offset, hunk 2 with 36 line offset, 3 and 4 failed, compose-scene failed with the reversed error also Oct 09 20:21:15 gotta love themes messing with chatview-assistant.js Oct 09 20:21:17 :D Oct 09 20:22:30 egaudet, I suppose I can run the WebOS repair utility Oct 09 20:22:49 unless this is helping you in some way Oct 09 20:23:43 webos repair util will repstore 1.2.0 files Oct 09 20:23:43 ;) Oct 09 20:23:56 I have leftover theme replacing "Sprint" and the time, how do i fix the .css file. this happened after uninstalling theme and using EPR. thanks Oct 09 20:24:04 Ron0001, that means that chatview file needs replacing Oct 09 20:24:13 ls the path of that file Oct 09 20:24:41 Holley2583, can you bring up a terminal Oct 09 20:24:49 yes Oct 09 20:24:59 do you know which .css file is the effected one? Oct 09 20:25:17 no, that's a problem eh? Oct 09 20:25:50 all i know is it's replacing the lettering on the top of my screen Oct 09 20:26:17 ok Oct 09 20:26:19 i'll find out Oct 09 20:26:21 it's not a css Oct 09 20:26:21 "LozPre" and the time is also yellow Oct 09 20:26:24 it's a js tile Oct 09 20:26:28 file* Oct 09 20:26:33 oh, nice ok Oct 09 20:26:50 thanks you, dr. ing one more time will bring me over the edge...haha Oct 09 20:27:11 dBsooner-work, it's from Zelda theme, can you find out what files are touched from zelda theme? Oct 09 20:27:20 these .bak's need to be recovered Oct 09 20:27:51 how do i find out which ones are still touched using terminal, is there a way to do that? Oct 09 20:27:54 * dBsooner-work will refer ALL EPR causing busted themes (because the theme modified css/js/html files) to egaudet because he does not want to support that big nasty can of snakes. Oct 09 20:28:14 dBsooner-work, wtf! Oct 09 20:28:18 :D Oct 09 20:28:19 themes = bad idea Oct 09 20:28:24 lol Oct 09 20:28:30 EPR = egaudet Oct 09 20:28:32 Yup. Oct 09 20:28:35 yeah, i'd imagine im one of many who are gonna have this problem... Oct 09 20:28:46 patches = palm being jackasses and not enabling features Oct 09 20:28:46 Egaudets Pre Recover service Oct 09 20:29:07 Eguy: really.. its themes Oct 09 20:29:28 Eguy: palm hasn't found a good way to "make themes universally transperant" Oct 09 20:29:31 and THAT's the problem Oct 09 20:29:34 alright holley Oct 09 20:29:39 bring up terminal Oct 09 20:29:40 and type Oct 09 20:29:48 find / -name ".bak" Oct 09 20:29:48 wait what Oct 09 20:29:49 :D Oct 09 20:29:51 find /usr -name \*.bak Oct 09 20:29:59 Palm doesn't even support themes. Why is this their thing? Oct 09 20:30:11 hold on, i have another theme installed, and it's not showing up under installed themes so i cant uninstall it Oct 09 20:30:14 I may have missed backlog Oct 09 20:30:17 hmm Oct 09 20:30:23 I didn't say they supported it. Oct 09 20:30:29 so they updated e2fsprogs on the pre with 1.2 Oct 09 20:30:34 and it includes ext4 utils Oct 09 20:30:46 "palm hasn't found a good way to make themes universally transparent" < ? Oct 09 20:30:47 wonder if they'll ever switch to it Oct 09 20:30:58 oh lordy.. you had two installed Holley2583? Oct 09 20:31:06 egaudet, all yours. I'm out on that. Oct 09 20:31:10 now i cant uninstall Family Guy, it's not under installed Oct 09 20:31:57 find /usr -name \*.bak Oct 09 20:32:27 no, no i did not have any, just the left over, and i tried to install something else to see if it would pull out the mess, but now it's not showing as installed Oct 09 20:33:27 obviously, a poor move on my part, although, i had already installed Zelda, and uninstalled to see if that could fix it. at least it was there to uninstall Oct 09 20:35:01 looks like im Dr.ing after all. Oct 09 20:37:38 anyone here? Oct 09 20:37:46 yes Oct 09 20:38:11 ok, so since i cant even uninstall family guy now, what now? just dr.? Oct 09 20:38:14 this is going to take a lot of time to debug via command line. You could wait for 1.2.1 doctor to come out and use repair utility Oct 09 20:38:22 or doctor the phone Oct 09 20:38:27 that is the "easiest" solution Oct 09 20:38:48 and then until further notice themes and patches should not be installed at the same time, it's one or the other for now Oct 09 20:39:43 yah, dr. ing again, actually im a pro at it, and can install all my stuff back in like five minutes.. Yes, maybe they should tell the masses...this is going to be a huge issue i presume. Oct 09 20:40:07 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1964339&posted=1#post1964339 Oct 09 20:40:46 I am in the process of working with the theme guys to get themes to use autopatch technology Oct 09 20:40:57 until then I can only recommend one or the other :( Oct 09 20:40:57 like that post will stop anyone Oct 09 20:41:01 thanks for trying, i havent ever had a theme installed without having the ability to uninstall it. its not even showing up at all. but Zelda did...totally confused Oct 09 20:41:01 lol Oct 09 20:41:27 alright...thanks. Oct 09 20:41:29 should i switch my pre for the hero Oct 09 20:41:37 yes Oct 09 20:41:51 why oik Oct 09 20:41:52 I don't do themes so I can only speak from brief overviews of the scripts Oct 09 20:41:53 oil Oct 09 20:42:01 im thinking of doing that myself, im sooooo tired of doing this. Oct 09 20:42:13 of what? Oct 09 20:42:14 all hail the great multi-mod! Oct 09 20:42:22 why would you even ask that in the webos-internals channel? Oct 09 20:42:23 Holley2583, my suggestion is to keep within autopatch technology Oct 09 20:42:28 i think we're all a little biast Oct 09 20:42:36 hmm maybe we need packages stamped with "AutoPatch certified" lol Oct 09 20:42:47 why get a hero? Oct 09 20:42:56 nobody knows that autopatch does not support theme Oct 09 20:42:56 and turn in my pre Oct 09 20:43:07 idk Oct 09 20:43:10 you asked the question Oct 09 20:43:15 Holley2583, yea I know :( I didn't know until recently that themes modified text files like css and js Oct 09 20:43:17 and why did you say yes? Oct 09 20:43:30 otherwise I would have worked hard to get them into autopatch during it's creation Oct 09 20:43:31 its* Oct 09 20:43:57 * Mousey is still installing patches after 0.9.3 update Oct 09 20:44:00 oh, well, if my error can help people not mess up, that's ok Oct 09 20:44:11 but think of it this way, next month you probably will be patching and themeing from preware and QI without any issues Oct 09 20:44:36 until there's another update...hahah Oct 09 20:44:42 the hard work is being done now so in the future we don't come accross these hard-to-fix problems Oct 09 20:44:44 patching without any issues? Oct 09 20:44:49 isn't that an oxymoron? Oct 09 20:44:51 Holley2583, nope updates are good Oct 09 20:45:12 ok, so im praying this will be my last dr. Oct 09 20:45:15 In the future the idea is that EPR will clean out all modifications (patches and themes alike) Oct 09 20:45:20 guys i need some serious advice, anybody has had a hands-on with sprint's hero? Oct 09 20:45:29 and how does it compare to the pre Oct 09 20:45:50 db ping Oct 09 20:45:52 dBsooner-work, ping Oct 09 20:45:57 srsly, whatevre the hero is, the pre is 524362165432572562435257356245234634562452346257367468578367256256 times better. Oct 09 20:46:09 phiqtion: i gurantee you its not as awesome as the pre Oct 09 20:46:11 without even touching it Oct 09 20:46:36 why not, lets stop being fanboys. the pre has some issues and im looking the best bet for the long run. Oct 09 20:46:54 last HTC i owned was a piece of crap Oct 09 20:46:59 terrible construction quality Oct 09 20:47:28 what are the pre's issues anyways? Oct 09 20:47:39 phiqtion: I think you're looking for a review website, on a channel on irc dedicated to webos Oct 09 20:47:46 i dont have any and ive customed the crap out of mine with a custom built kernel and everything Oct 09 20:47:52 the best fit for the long run is the pre. not because i am or am not a fanboy, but because it's a linux box pretending to be a phone. the sheer hackability of the pre makes it above and beyond any other phone on the market except the Nokia N900, which isn't even out yet Oct 09 20:47:59 or that new samsung android pohone Oct 09 20:48:26 android can eat a bowl of dick Oct 09 20:48:26 battery and apps Oct 09 20:48:32 lol Oct 09 20:48:44 uh Oct 09 20:48:50 you mean every linux app ever made isnt enough for you? Oct 09 20:48:51 battery is epic win over android, and apps are coming fast and plenty Oct 09 20:48:57 wow that sucks... dont think android is going to be any better Oct 09 20:49:00 because its linux too Oct 09 20:49:01 :P Oct 09 20:49:09 it's more closeder than WebOS Oct 09 20:49:09 plus HTC has horrid batteries also Oct 09 20:49:15 every linux app? wtf are you talking about Oct 09 20:49:21 uh Oct 09 20:49:27 im running metasploit on my phone even Oct 09 20:49:27 uh Oct 09 20:49:30 the pre is a linux box, HTC makes phones Oct 09 20:49:50 give me a whole computer i can also make phone calls with over a regular ol' phone anyday Oct 09 20:50:27 like i said, if you want something better wait for the n900 to come out Oct 09 20:50:28 phiqtion, the reality is that HTC doesn't have us Oct 09 20:50:34 so Pre wins Oct 09 20:50:37 no contest ;P Oct 09 20:50:39 lol Oct 09 20:51:09 can i use sqlmaestro to connect to sqlite on the pre? or is there a better sqlite gui client? Oct 09 20:51:25 phiqtion: in many cases (mine not included) you're in here talking to people who actually do a lot of the hacking of the pre, hacking not even legal or possible on Android, WinMob, or ipwn.. Oct 09 20:51:46 i also read the cpu is faster on the pre and the gpu hasnt even been unclocked yet? Oct 09 20:52:09 phiqtion: apparently you havent even looked at preware yet Oct 09 20:52:11 the pre is just getting started Oct 09 20:52:23 yah, srsly. it's not about the hardware man Oct 09 20:52:26 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/208469-warning-autopatch-themes-incompatible.html Oct 09 20:52:32 phiqtion: you're not going to get a non-fanboy response here Oct 09 20:52:40 i'm trying! Oct 09 20:52:43 i can see that Oct 09 20:52:44 lol Oct 09 20:53:02 if you want a better computer-masquerading-as-a-phone, get the nokia n900 when it comes out Oct 09 20:53:09 and if you went into an android hacker channel, it would be the exact opposite response Oct 09 20:53:16 if you want a phone-with-some-features-like-a-computer, get anything else Oct 09 20:53:32 starting with an android phone Oct 09 20:53:35 yeah Oct 09 20:54:30 as it stands, pre is best-of-breed of the smartphones right now Oct 09 20:54:41 and its just so awesome Oct 09 20:54:49 it could be awesomer Oct 09 20:54:52 but it isn't Oct 09 20:54:58 its only been out for a few months Oct 09 20:54:58 *sigh* Oct 09 20:55:10 and its accomplished so much Oct 09 20:55:14 true Oct 09 20:55:28 mostly it's accomplished kicking apple, microsoft, google, and sprint all in the balls Oct 09 20:55:39 and verizon is gonna get a good swift kick in the balls too.. eventually Oct 09 20:55:42 and the platform just feels so right Oct 09 20:55:47 maybe its because im used to web-technologies Oct 09 20:55:49 and i like linux Oct 09 20:56:26 i love how apple said Oct 09 20:56:40 giving users access to ring0 will result in them crashing the cell towers! Oct 09 20:56:50 i dont know about you guys but i havent crashed any cell phone towers yet Oct 09 20:57:00 lol Oct 09 20:57:07 nah, the platform is still tied to the hardware Oct 09 20:57:11 well, whatever apple says is always right Oct 09 20:57:14 so it's not better than maemo =P Oct 09 20:57:14 until apple changes their minds Oct 09 20:59:09 loot-: like oil_work said.. its only been out a for a few months Oct 09 20:59:18 give it some time before cell towers get tha hit ^_^ Oct 09 20:59:34 * oil_work writes "tower burn" app Oct 09 20:59:46 * Mousey posts to 4chan Oct 09 21:00:04 aaaand that about wraps it up for celluar communicaiton Oct 09 21:00:16 s/uar/ular/ Oct 09 21:00:17 Mousey meant: aaaand that about wraps it up for cellular communicaiton Oct 09 21:02:11 ~botsnack Oct 09 21:02:11 egaudet: aw, gee Oct 09 21:02:31 infobot: Mousey is a fanboi Oct 09 21:02:33 okay, Mousey Oct 09 21:03:36 guys, any thoughts on getting NES/SNES emulation on the pre? is it possible or has it been done yet? Oct 09 21:03:58 didn't someone already do that? Oct 09 21:04:11 phiqtion: http://gizmodo.com/5290070/palm-pre-gets-linux+based-nes-emulator Oct 09 21:04:22 But, it's hacky Oct 09 21:04:29 http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/14/palm-pre-gets-a-nes-emulator/ Oct 09 21:04:32 ahh, beat me Oct 09 21:04:42 is there any shoutcast apps that allow you to specify a URL? Oct 09 21:04:50 a couple aren't there? Oct 09 21:04:50 nice Oct 09 21:05:01 phiqtion: im sure someone will make one that uses that dfb plugin to work righ tin a card Oct 09 21:05:22 been looking around but havne't found one yet... maybe I need to look harder i guess :) Oct 09 21:05:46 Mmm.. dfb plugin Oct 09 21:05:50 isn't it just a standard stream? Oct 09 21:06:03 couldn't you just type in the url in the browser and it would open the music streamer app and begin playing? Oct 09 21:06:16 i will check it out Oct 09 21:06:35 he wants to save it within shoutcast Oct 09 21:06:55 well write an app to save the urls... Oct 09 21:07:13 why do we need to write another app for that? Oct 09 21:07:23 why not? Oct 09 21:08:38 I would like to add to the patch ideas but it says section 3 does not exist Oct 09 21:09:49 * oil_work still wants a patch that removes all animations Oct 09 21:10:28 I would like a patch that allows multiple attachments per message Oct 09 21:11:31 i'd like a video recording app Oct 09 21:11:33 ^_^ Oct 09 21:12:06 Mousey: didn't someone already make that? Oct 09 21:12:10 im pretty sure it was jason Oct 09 21:12:14 shell script? Oct 09 21:12:21 Mousey: Get a 3GS because that isn't happening until well never :P Oct 09 21:12:33 oh Oct 09 21:12:35 hey oil, once dependencies work, we can make bundled packages :D Oct 09 21:12:45 "landscape bundle" Oct 09 21:12:48 they already do work Oct 09 21:12:51 "super messaging" bundle Oct 09 21:12:55 oil in 093? Oct 09 21:12:57 well, from what ive tested Oct 09 21:13:00 094 Oct 09 21:13:02 "hidden icon bundle" Oct 09 21:13:05 i meant "work" as in released Oct 09 21:13:05 actually Oct 09 21:13:09 they've always worked Oct 09 21:13:14 oil you know what i mean Oct 09 21:13:17 but it wont run postinsts Oct 09 21:13:24 which is why preware had to do it Oct 09 21:13:31 Templarian: do art for preware Oct 09 21:13:33 the service should do it Oct 09 21:13:36 ! Oct 09 21:13:46 lol Oct 09 21:13:48 hello to you also oil_work Oct 09 21:13:59 Just got out of work will look around. Oct 09 21:14:03 lol Oct 09 21:14:03 but anyway, yea, we can make ipk bundle whichwill be an empty ipk with dependencies and an icon Oct 09 21:14:22 Templarian: in 093, that new update scene Oct 09 21:14:23 where the feeds update Oct 09 21:14:27 could do with some prettying Oct 09 21:14:28 oil just wants people to do work for him because he is used to being rwhitby's slave Oct 09 21:14:48 Templarian has always been the art dude Oct 09 21:15:06 hehe. Oct 09 21:15:19 im just giving him something to do if he is bored Oct 09 21:15:20 What icons? Oct 09 21:15:28 idk Oct 09 21:15:30 its a full scene Oct 09 21:15:31 Templarian = illustrator master Oct 09 21:15:32 (I'm never bored, I'm just less busy) Oct 09 21:15:32 with a spinner Oct 09 21:15:33 some text Oct 09 21:15:38 and a progress bar sometimes Oct 09 21:15:51 Eguy: I barely know illustrator, I use fireworks. Oct 09 21:15:58 Fireworks++ Oct 09 21:16:04 * oil_work did some vector art the other day Oct 09 21:16:05 oh Oct 09 21:16:17 fireworks* Oct 09 21:16:19 :P Oct 09 21:16:28 fire does work Oct 09 21:16:48 fireworks has vectors and I used them for most of the icons. Oct 09 21:17:11 well i did my vector art in flash Oct 09 21:17:16 cause i know how its tools work Oct 09 21:17:34 They need to expand flash for art only. Oct 09 21:17:45 how do I add a page to the wiki under patch ideas? Oct 09 21:17:48 flash cs4 = win Oct 09 21:17:58 bones is the best feature Oct 09 21:18:08 For animators yep. Oct 09 21:18:33 yeah, i was just drawing lines Oct 09 21:18:37 animators, heh Oct 09 21:19:44 So what icons did you want oil? Oct 09 21:20:41 well, the icon was for egaudet, just a larger version of the small patch icon for use with patches that didn't have a specific icon Oct 09 21:20:56 but i was talking about some art for the whole update scene Oct 09 21:21:46 My phone has a message login credentials rejected... dumb palm servers Oct 09 21:22:02 nvm it's a bug in my email server. Oct 09 21:25:53 I'm outta here Oct 09 21:26:46 * Mousey restarts luna Oct 09 21:31:54 oil_work: i added the icon Oct 09 21:32:18 * oil_work peeks Oct 09 21:32:56 also if you have any thoughts for the crappy ones i made Oct 09 21:32:59 or the ones that don't have icons Oct 09 21:33:01 feel free Oct 09 21:34:10 They are fine, to tell you the truth most of those toward the end were just 2min things Oct 09 21:34:47 right Oct 09 21:34:50 mine took even less time Oct 09 21:34:50 lol Oct 09 21:42:28 so i just updated preware before updating the package manager service Oct 09 21:42:35 everything is greyed out Oct 09 21:43:11 so use quick install to update the service Oct 09 21:44:22 should i remove first? Oct 09 21:44:24 or just update Oct 09 21:44:32 install over the top Oct 09 21:44:35 k Oct 09 21:44:36 i dont think there is any problem with that Oct 09 21:44:43 thats all preware would have done had you installed it first through it Oct 09 21:45:24 hi all.. anyone has issue with theme and new Preware+autopatch? Oct 09 21:46:25 people always have problems Oct 09 21:46:30 something specific you're asking about? Oct 09 21:48:45 cause I could no longer run preware after install the blue theme.. run accross some announcement from emoney_33 in precentral Oct 09 21:49:04 Preware+autopatch latest as this morning with several patches Oct 09 21:49:13 then after that apply the original blue theme Oct 09 21:49:51 all patches done via Preware autopatch.. Oct 09 21:49:57 what do you mean by could no longer run Oct 09 21:49:57 Preware started then stuck at Check Version.. Oct 09 21:50:02 ok Oct 09 21:50:06 all that needs is a reboot Oct 09 21:50:09 and it wont be stuck anymore Oct 09 21:50:15 let me try that.. Oct 09 21:54:22 tks that works. Oct 09 21:54:41 np Oct 09 21:55:59 so there is a warning on autopatch and theme... in precentral. It looks like I may have to webos doctor the next time I need the update.. Oct 09 21:56:56 oil_work: everything is still greyed out Oct 09 21:56:59 what I know is that the % and battery number is no longer work on latest Preware+autopatch Oct 09 21:57:04 after updating package manager service Oct 09 21:57:32 huytrang90: yeah, themes and parches aren't playing nice Oct 09 21:57:36 er? Oct 09 21:58:08 after updating preware nothing is appearing Oct 09 21:58:13 er: you updated to 0.9.7 of the package manager service? Oct 09 21:58:33 yes Oct 09 21:58:48 you've tried a reboot? Oct 09 21:58:53 n/m emulator was selected Oct 09 21:59:06 doh Oct 09 21:59:57 hello? Oct 09 22:00:39 hello test1_? Oct 09 22:01:31 my prob is that after the last preware update Oct 09 22:02:10 brb.. have to actually work... :/ Oct 09 22:02:34 I don't seem to get any updates to feeds Oct 09 22:02:43 im having the same prob Oct 09 22:02:46 try to reboot your phone Oct 09 22:02:57 mine works after that.. suggested by oil_work Oct 09 22:03:07 good to have company Oct 09 22:03:23 test1_: are they all grey'd out? Oct 09 22:03:56 i can confirm feeds are working after a reboot Oct 09 22:04:27 i however, installed package manager service with QI Oct 09 22:04:29 it shouldn't require a reboot. but if it works, it works. Oct 09 22:04:49 er: shouldn't matter installation method. Oct 09 22:04:55 they are all ipk's Oct 09 22:04:57 anyone has prob install virtual kb or battery and % patch? Oct 09 22:05:07 I could not install either of them Oct 09 22:05:41 I will try that PS on my pre this chat partly hidden by links on page bye Oct 09 22:06:02 huytrang90: I have confirmed that 99% of the patches work Oct 09 22:06:07 I have installed every one of them Oct 09 22:06:29 the 2 that I KNOW don't work are Swipe delete history in browser (and same with auto-delete) Oct 09 22:07:18 as both of those modify files that changed in 1.2.1 Oct 09 22:07:50 huytrang90: what is the errors you are getting? Oct 09 22:07:55 maybe... Oct 09 22:07:59 I know error 4, but whats the log say? Oct 09 22:08:09 I got ErrorGenericMethodException Oct 09 22:08:09 nope Oct 09 22:08:16 i joined #webos-themes, but it was empty Oct 09 22:08:23 lol Oct 09 22:08:26 who are you talking to mouseay? Oct 09 22:08:32 dBsooner-work: myself mostly Oct 09 22:08:40 s/mouseay/Mousey/ Oct 09 22:08:40 dBsooner-work meant: who are you talking to Mousey? Oct 09 22:08:57 dBsooner-work: i was just thinking, maybe we could stop the madness and bring the two houses together Oct 09 22:09:02 but i'm clearly dumb Oct 09 22:09:07 lol Oct 09 22:09:10 We have tried that Oct 09 22:09:14 offline root mode: not running org.webos-internal..onscreen-kb.prem Oct 09 22:09:26 egaudet: is working with the theme poeple on a clear end to this madness Oct 09 22:09:32 huytrang90: that's not an error Oct 09 22:09:45 huytrang90: look up for things like FAIL or stuff Oct 09 22:09:55 don't pay attention to RED and GREEN as that's not an indicator Oct 09 22:10:04 * Mousey queues up more free beer for egaudet Oct 09 22:10:39 Failed ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure during 'postinst' operation Oct 09 22:10:46 then tons of green logs :) Oct 09 22:11:03 screen shot it Oct 09 22:11:06 at the end, you see the "offline root mode: not running org.webos-internal..onscreen-kb.prem" Oct 09 22:11:06 let me look at it Oct 09 22:11:19 i kniow, that's not an error Oct 09 22:11:39 which part of the screen you like me to capture? Oct 09 22:11:41 that just because we call ipkg with a -o flag -o = Offline Root Mode Oct 09 22:11:47 Preferably all of it Oct 09 22:12:02 scroll -> shoot, scroll->shoot Oct 09 22:12:37 aggg are you serious? :) there are tons of screen.. I have to swipe my finger so many times.. can this log save anywhere? I can drop on linux and get it to usb Oct 09 22:13:03 aye.. get a shell from computer Oct 09 22:13:07 so you can copy/paste Oct 09 22:13:07 ;) Oct 09 22:13:18 I will show you how to run postinst Oct 09 22:16:42 hang on.. Oct 09 22:16:55 I have terminal on pre too.. Oct 09 22:17:06 * oil_work am back Oct 09 22:17:20 ^ fragment Oct 09 22:17:31 oil_work has back? Oct 09 22:17:36 yes Oct 09 22:17:42 what happened to er? Oct 09 22:17:51 or, it was phiqtion Oct 09 22:17:53 im here Oct 09 22:18:03 so, wtf Oct 09 22:18:17 wtd dood Oct 09 22:18:18 it works? Oct 09 22:18:35 egaudet: ping! Oct 09 22:19:00 yeah it got fixed after i installed pakage manager service with QI and rebooted phone Oct 09 22:19:22 dbsooner how can I run postinst? Oct 09 22:23:04 phiqtion: good to hear Oct 09 22:24:19 klajdfkljdsf Oct 09 22:25:43 good news: your keyboard works Oct 09 22:26:03 kb actually installed and works.. Oct 09 22:26:23 bad news: Preware does not recognize it has been installed, so can't remove in future. :) Oct 09 22:26:54 test Oct 09 22:27:52 ? Oct 09 22:28:05 ? Oct 09 22:28:18 i updated the autopatch and theme thread to tell everyone not ever run EPR with a theme installed Oct 09 22:28:57 just seeing if this chat works on my computer vs my pre Oct 09 22:30:06 how would you chat in this on your pre? Oct 09 22:30:19 webchat.freenode.n et Oct 09 22:30:28 its not so hot on the lil screen though Oct 09 22:30:28 awesome Oct 09 22:30:32 oh Oct 09 22:30:49 oh, preware got a front page post on precentral Oct 09 22:30:55 I went to preware help and it gave me a choice of the wiki or irc chat Oct 09 22:30:56 congrats Oct 09 22:31:14 wait a tic Oct 09 22:31:21 they comment on update being remove/install Oct 09 22:31:27 * oil_work doesn't remember implementing that Oct 09 22:31:29 yea not only little screen Oct 09 22:31:45 but the menus bleed into the chat window Oct 09 22:32:24 yeah, hopefully puff will spend all weekend working on the irc service Oct 09 22:32:37 irc SERVIC?E Oct 09 22:32:38 wow Oct 09 22:32:44 and by working on the irc service, i mean having fun camping in the wilderness Oct 09 22:32:48 tr/?E/ Oct 09 22:33:17 lol @ first comment in preware news post Oct 09 22:33:19 "etter run the ERD to avoid the pesky error 4s." Oct 09 22:33:23 hey, on this chat can one scroll back to before one joined in? Oct 09 22:33:42 V: i dont think so Oct 09 22:33:47 i wonder why the <= key only sometimes works with the vk Oct 09 22:33:49 you could always hit up the logs though Oct 09 22:34:11 V no, this isn't an xmpp conference room Oct 09 22:34:20 ? Oct 09 22:34:38 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Oct 09 22:35:29 Thanks Oil work! Oct 09 22:35:47 just what I wanted! Oct 09 22:35:49 thats just the last days worth of logs Oct 09 22:35:58 you can go all-the-way back to when the channel started Oct 09 22:36:10 rather, when logging of the channel started Oct 09 22:36:37 and the noobie method to do so is...? Oct 09 22:36:58 ~lart Mousey Oct 09 22:36:59 * infobot does a little 'renice 20 -u Mousey' Oct 09 22:37:05 Rod told me to head into here for helping to get the new version of Preware running, all the feeds are grayed out. If anyone can give a hand let me know. :) Oct 09 22:37:11 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ Oct 09 22:37:34 SoloTwo: did you update package manager first? Oct 09 22:38:08 good oil work Oct 09 22:38:33 the gray list either means you don't have the newest version of the package manager installed, or its not running Oct 09 22:38:35 V: this might help http://tinyurl.com/63qmk7 Oct 09 22:38:54 SoloTwo: my suggestion is to update to the newest version with quick install Oct 09 22:38:56 then reboot your pre Oct 09 22:39:07 i need help with preware.. i didnt follow instructions and i updated w/o running the Emergency Patch Recovery tool..now all patches are listed as apps and there are no patches available.. Oct 09 22:41:29 Hey all Oct 09 22:41:35 * Mousey waves Oct 09 22:41:45 anyone? Oct 09 22:42:03 So as noted @ precentral... running the EPR removes the backup of theme files correct? Oct 09 22:42:08 deja vu Oct 09 22:42:27 no Oct 09 22:42:35 that was never noted Oct 09 22:42:50 oh lord Oct 09 22:42:57 this is getting ugly Oct 09 22:43:05 True, your post didn't note that... that is what I inferred from your post. Oct 09 22:44:06 never run EPR with a theme installed Oct 09 22:44:13 egaudet: the post wasn't all that clear... I guess I'm just looking for a further explanation or correction of my first stated comment. Oct 09 22:44:15 that's all you should have to follow Oct 09 22:44:25 why is Preware telling me my Package Manager Service needs to be updated? Oct 09 22:44:38 "Installed Version 0.9.7", "Updated Version: 0.9.7" Oct 09 22:44:58 MLJ, both autopatch and themes back up files, since they don't include one another they may back up different versions of the same file Oct 09 22:45:10 Autopatch/EPR has stock-file protection, Themes do not Oct 09 22:45:23 dBsooner-work: it shouldnt Oct 09 22:45:28 you have hte test feed installed or something? Oct 09 22:45:28 oil_work: it is Oct 09 22:45:36 * dBsooner-work looks Oct 09 22:46:18 egaudet: ... understood... so if a theme is installed and EPR is run.. what is removed by EPR? Oct 09 22:46:30 oil_work: aye.. someone installed that feed Oct 09 22:46:33 cuz I didn't. Oct 09 22:46:55 lol Oct 09 22:46:56 MLJ, that question can not be answered directly Oct 09 22:46:59 someone hacked your pre and installed it? Oct 09 22:47:07 it depends what files EPR touched and what files the theme touched Oct 09 22:47:09 * oil_work installs it to see if he can recreate Oct 09 22:47:39 EPR will recover any file touched by an autopatch patch Oct 09 22:48:06 using backups saved the first time a patch modifed the file Oct 09 22:48:26 ok, so why did EPR remove the backups from the original (stock) theme? Oct 09 22:48:39 what? Oct 09 22:49:09 I'm not sure what you are trying to ask there Oct 09 22:49:48 egaudet: Find anything interesting? Oct 09 22:49:55 Well actually that was an assumption ... i'm logging into my pre right now to check and see if EPR removed the original files that my theme modifies (which preware/webos qi) both back up upon install. Oct 09 22:50:06 Eguy, no haven't looked yet, just got in Oct 09 22:50:20 MLJ, I told you it doesn't Oct 09 22:50:34 It doesn't have any knowledge of non palm files (which backups are) Oct 09 22:52:38 Alright, so I ran the EPR with my theme installed (I have access to the origninals any how)... however Preware doesn't know that my theme is installed even though I installed it via Preware... also not a big issue to me... However I wanted to make a post in my theme's thread to instruct other uses as to what happened and how to fix it or how to not let that problem occur. Oct 09 22:53:34 if your theme doesn't touch css/js/json or html files then there are no issues Oct 09 22:53:47 it's with themes that do MORE than just image replacement that cause issues Oct 09 22:54:35 ok, yet the preware on my phone doesn't acknowledge that a theme is installed (my theme modifies no files than pngs). Oct 09 22:54:56 that's a package issue Oct 09 22:54:59 ipkg -o /var list_installed Oct 09 22:55:42 EPR didn't remove it unless someone added it to the /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches/packages file Oct 09 22:55:47 dBsooner-work: i installed the test feed, and im not getting told there is an update to the package manager Oct 09 22:56:01 dunno Oct 09 22:56:06 im tellin ya its telling me that Oct 09 22:56:07 me either Oct 09 22:56:13 id like to be able to recreate it so i could fix it Oct 09 22:57:49 egaudet: hmm... its not listed as installed there either... give me a few mins... I'll put the palm .png's back on my phone install my theme and run the EPR again and see if the theme goes from installed to not installed. Oct 09 22:59:11 it would be highly unlikely EPR would cause that. ;) Oct 09 23:01:53 Ahh.. user error... I last used Web OS QI to push an updated theme to my phone not Preware... my fault, sorry from taking you all from your work. Oct 09 23:03:15 egaudet: planning on "updating" any patches? Oct 09 23:03:34 i dont remember where that was left off in preware last night before the release Oct 09 23:03:34 MLJ, QI does not use ipk Oct 09 23:03:37 for precentral themes Oct 09 23:03:40 if it shows and installs over the top or what Oct 09 23:03:52 you will never see a QI-installed theme from precentral gallery installed in preware Oct 09 23:03:55 i think it ended with deciding the service should do it Oct 09 23:03:56 Correct, thats why it wasn't listed as installed. Oct 09 23:04:04 but i dont know if it was changed to do that Oct 09 23:04:09 oil what do you mean updating patches Oct 09 23:04:34 exactly that Oct 09 23:04:41 WTF Oct 09 23:04:45 updating as-in installing over the top Oct 09 23:04:50 i dont think anything was ever said Oct 09 23:04:54 oh Oct 09 23:04:57 hell no Oct 09 23:04:58 i mea Oct 09 23:05:00 mean* Oct 09 23:05:01 things were said Oct 09 23:05:07 but i dont think anything happend Oct 09 23:05:09 install over the top? Oct 09 23:05:10 never Oct 09 23:05:35 egaudet: I knew that... I simply forgot that i used webos qi to install an updated version of my theme. Oct 09 23:09:20 got me a new pre today, my old one had the notorious screen crack near the usb port Oct 09 23:10:01 the slider feels much more smoother/nicer on this one compared to the 4 other pre's i've had my hands on (variety of start day pre's and pre's from ~1month into its release) Oct 09 23:14:36 hi, my preware app is stuck on the "updating" screen on boot, and doesn't do anything. Oct 09 23:15:19 are you on wifi? Oct 09 23:15:32 yeah, Oct 09 23:16:10 try getting off wifi and updating while on evdo Oct 09 23:16:24 some people have problems updating some of the feeds while on wifi for no reason Oct 09 23:16:31 preware looks cool now Oct 09 23:17:15 still sits there spinning..theres no progress bar either Oct 09 23:17:18 unless that's just a theme Oct 09 23:17:22 (precentral) Oct 09 23:17:39 tbird02: after you turn off wifi, hit the app menu (where it says preware in the top left) and select update feeds again Oct 09 23:18:02 tlp: the dark option has been there since 0.8.something im pretty sure Oct 09 23:18:07 ah Oct 09 23:18:17 its not the default though Oct 09 23:19:55 oil_work: it worked but it still shows only the autopatch feed and jewishcontent packages..not the webos feed Oct 09 23:21:36 the feed may be titled autopatch but if the patches are 1.2.1-X version yo uhave the right feed Oct 09 23:22:12 * oil_work leaves work, brb Oct 09 23:23:38 weird, I can't find Emergency Patch Recovery (All Applications search) Oct 09 23:24:42 oil_work: i see. the patches still show up under the auto patch feed but are 1.2.1-x, so i'm good to go? Oct 09 23:24:44 maybe it was in the autopatch feed I just removed Oct 09 23:29:07 is there a way to uninstall quilt patches without a putty or terminal session from a computer? Oct 09 23:39:46 so, anything exciting in here today? Oct 09 23:39:53 1.5 came out Oct 09 23:40:19 lol Oct 09 23:40:24 I'm sure it did Oct 09 23:43:05 tlp, it's in available patches Oct 09 23:43:08 not applications Oct 09 23:43:14 category Recovery Oct 09 23:43:19 ahh Oct 09 23:43:23 I don't think I needed it anyway Oct 09 23:43:26 but I was going to run it just in case Oct 09 23:43:33 I went in and manually removed everything I installed via autopatch Oct 09 23:43:59 any reason why QI's ipkg repository setting would be greyed out, can't change to any other repository besides precentral feed ;( Oct 09 23:49:20 Preware seems to be stalling a lot on Updating again Oct 09 23:49:45 reboot seems to fix it Oct 09 23:49:54 I'll try that Oct 09 23:51:12 is there a way to uninstall quilt patches without a putty or terminal session from a computer? Oct 09 23:53:07 terminal on the pre Oct 09 23:56:15 preware Oct 09 23:59:29 morning Oct 09 23:59:34 * Mousey buys rwhitby a beer Oct 09 23:59:45 PMS=v0.9.7, PW=v0.9.3, I have restarted (twice) after updating both, but Preferences does not have a Feeds Management section. Did I miss something? Oct 10 00:00:05 lordbah: look in the menu Oct 10 00:00:17 (yes, the menu unintuitively changes contents) Oct 10 00:00:44 Ugh. Thanks. Actually I guess I didn't need to be there anyway, everything is grayed out. Oct 10 00:01:16 * rwhitby just had to drive into work on a Saturday to fix a dead UPS that took the site down. Oct 10 00:01:33 Something interrupted the uninterruptible. Oct 10 00:02:13 wow, that's pretty cool Oct 10 00:02:22 now all i gotta do is figure out the info for the 'testing' repo ^_^ Oct 10 00:02:26 which i do tomorrow! Oct 10 00:02:50 Is it okay to reinstall patches which are listed under Autopatch even though I've removed the Autopatch feed? Only 2 appear under WebOS Internals. Oct 10 00:03:10 egaudet: p[ing Oct 10 00:04:03 pong Oct 10 00:05:02 Any chance of verbose output for "Updating" in the future? Oct 10 00:05:12 no egaudet it's p[ong Oct 10 00:05:27 egaudet: can you do a fix for the feed name please? Oct 10 00:05:42 I didn't get to it last night, and am busy here at work bringing things up again. Oct 10 00:06:18 feed name? Oct 10 00:06:23 WebOS Patches Oct 10 00:06:24 ?\ Oct 10 00:06:48 tlp, it is verbose ;) Oct 10 00:07:34 I imagine it's downloading all of the feeds or something. Maybe it can list which ones it's doing, like the Loading part. Oct 10 00:08:10 tlp, not the current way Oct 10 00:08:33 the service is using the ipkg binary (ipkg -o /var update), which returns after all are updated as I understand it Oct 10 00:08:37 egaudet: yep, WebOS Patches Oct 10 00:08:39 ahh Oct 10 00:08:47 rwhitby, how do you want me to make it build? Oct 10 00:08:55 egaudet: META_VERSION? Oct 10 00:08:59 :( Oct 10 00:09:03 lol Oct 10 00:09:13 unintuitive? Oct 10 00:09:17 the menu has already been removed Oct 10 00:09:30 egaudet: maybe you need a two-level META_VERSION, one for global and one for local Oct 10 00:09:36 its not like no other app changes the menu in different scenes, its not unexpected for it to have something different Oct 10 00:09:44 yea Oct 10 00:09:53 oil: agreed. Oct 10 00:10:42 So anyone have any idea why my phone will magically not run package manager? lol Oct 10 00:10:51 oil: It was unintuitive to me. But maybe I'm 'special'. Oct 10 00:10:58 man, today was fun. friend let me take his jet up Oct 10 00:11:07 well its not even there in the next release, so its a moot point Oct 10 00:11:19 y? Oct 10 00:11:33 so whats goin on in the webos world today? Oct 10 00:12:23 At first I figured to remove Autopatch I'd go to Installed, touch Feeds, and slide Autopatch to the right, exposing a red Delete button. Oct 10 00:12:48 Didn't work out that way of course :) Oct 10 00:14:27 Hi everyone :) Oct 10 00:15:09 rwhitby, done Oct 10 00:16:57 egaudet: thx Oct 10 00:17:43 evening folks Oct 10 00:18:02 preware.org is hitting 30 accesses per second, and pumping out 6Mb/sec continuous on the Gb/sec links Oct 10 00:19:07 wow, nice Oct 10 00:20:38 we're going to hit a memory limit soon, limiting apache children to 200 concurrent connections so we don't go over 2GB Oct 10 00:21:32 grab an unmetered Oct 10 00:21:53 rwhitby: what are you using for hosting? Oct 10 00:21:57 AnOutsider: 2GB RAM, our network connection is multiple Gb/sec pipes to Internet2 at osuosl.org Oct 10 00:22:00 oh memory, not BW Oct 10 00:22:12 i was wondering why i couldnt theme earlier Oct 10 00:22:36 AnOutsider: your's and PuffTheMagic's server should be feeling it too ... Oct 10 00:22:43 don't know if it'll help or if you'd be interested, but I've got a box in my cluster with 8GB ram (or 16 not sure) Oct 10 00:22:52 nah not really, my servers are set to scale Oct 10 00:23:00 AnOutsider: we can go to 32GB on the box, just need some donations to buy the RAM Oct 10 00:23:19 go buy then! haha Oct 10 00:23:52 rwhitby: call palm xD Oct 10 00:24:25 oil: I can not confirm nor deny any discussions with Palm on that topic. Oct 10 00:24:52 lol Oct 10 00:26:18 wtf. My phone keeps randomly making the text message sound, but I'm not seeing any Oct 10 00:27:12 tlp: charging? Oct 10 00:27:39 nope Oct 10 00:27:45 weird Oct 10 00:28:08 I'm going to try sending myself a text message to make sure I can get them Oct 10 00:28:35 yep Oct 10 00:28:37 must be something else Oct 10 00:32:01 * rwhitby is heading back home again, work is back up, will be on and off today (being the weekend) Oct 10 00:34:11 Hey everyone I just tried to update friendsflow from 0.1.4 to 0.1.6 and it starts downloading then it says download canceled does anyone know why? Oct 10 00:36:23 I uninstalled that when I saw that I had to pay for it to use it (even the early versions). The app is not polished enough to be asking for $$ IMO Oct 10 00:36:55 well I paid for it and now I cant update it Oct 10 00:37:46 it cancels and says app catalog unavailable Oct 10 00:40:12 annon1: that sucks Oct 10 00:40:33 that app has the ugliest icon i've ever seen Oct 10 00:41:12 and name. and ui. Oct 10 00:41:37 does anyone know WHY I cant update? Oct 10 00:41:38 isn't palm releasing one? it was demoed on the pixi right? Oct 10 00:41:46 I'm guessing it's just a bug with the appcat Oct 10 00:43:41 I downloaded the flashlight, worked fine, tried to update twice, then it says downloading.. then a pop up appears that says download canceled, and I get app catalog unavailable Oct 10 00:45:50 annon1 have you had it before? Oct 10 00:46:06 annon1: the one you have on your phone now is it a HOMEBREW or FREE version? Oct 10 00:46:29 no I havent I bought it, two days ago or something Oct 10 00:46:38 :/ Oct 10 00:46:47 but it wasnt working earlier Oct 10 00:46:50 Hey everyone I just tried to update friendsflow from 0.1.4 to 0.1.6 and it starts downloading then it says download canceled does anyone know why? Oct 10 00:47:11 so 0.1.4 was a homebrew or fre eone? Oct 10 00:47:18 or was it a paid one you bought two days ago? Oct 10 00:47:29 it was the paid version Oct 10 00:47:37 I know there is a known issue with trying to "update" a homebrew to pay Oct 10 00:47:48 it gives that "App Catalog Unavailable" message Oct 10 00:47:51 try uninstalling Oct 10 00:48:00 then go try to download/install Oct 10 00:48:01 you payed for an 0.1.x version of an app? Oct 10 00:48:13 I sure wouldn't have Oct 10 00:48:14 lol Oct 10 00:48:15 0.1.4 was the first version in the app catalog I think Oct 10 00:48:23 * dBsooner-work wouldn't by anything < 1.0.0 Oct 10 00:48:49 buy* Oct 10 00:48:51 it wasnt working yesterday too, I am really pissed off Oct 10 00:49:02 dBsooner-work: yet, you let a 0.9.x app completely pwn your Pre with install scripts running as root ;-) Oct 10 00:49:42 what do you mean rwhitby, is there a bad app? Oct 10 00:49:49 rwhitby: bah.. at least its 0.9.x Oct 10 00:50:03 annon1: uninstall Oct 10 00:50:07 and try to download agin Oct 10 00:50:13 if that don't work, call palm. Oct 10 00:50:17 It's THEIR app catalog. Oct 10 00:50:19 ok I will thanks Oct 10 00:50:20 annon1: no known bad apps in Preware Oct 10 00:50:48 what is homebrew? Oct 10 00:50:57 LOL Oct 10 00:51:02 and why wont they work? Oct 10 00:51:06 better question: how did you find #webos-internals? Oct 10 00:51:16 google webos irc Oct 10 00:51:25 ah Oct 10 00:52:25 how do I know if I have a homebrew application, and is that why it isnt working? Oct 10 00:52:44 if you dont know what homebrew is, you don't have any Oct 10 00:52:52 * acydlord facepalms Oct 10 00:52:57 its not something that happens accidentially Oct 10 00:53:01 how do I delete an app? Oct 10 00:53:05 :p Oct 10 00:53:12 hold orange, and tap it in the launcher Oct 10 00:53:21 thanks Oct 10 00:53:53 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.8G Oct 9 20:44 access_log -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.7G Oct 4 04:07 access_log.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.0G Sep 27 04:05 access_log.2 Oct 10 00:54:06 crap didnt paste right, but jeesh, over 7GB of logs Oct 10 00:54:17 lol Oct 10 00:54:38 someone needs to parse their logs a little fater Oct 10 00:54:40 faster* Oct 10 00:54:47 turn on that logrotate a little quicker Oct 10 00:55:10 heh, before prethemer this server wasn't used for much Oct 10 00:55:17 it's a little "surprised" Oct 10 00:55:41 almost time for SGU, peace folks Oct 10 00:55:54 AnOutsider: webos-internals.org and preware.org combined logs are only 2.5G for that same period Oct 10 00:56:06 * rwhitby bbl Oct 10 00:56:45 he might have his apache log set a little higher on log levbel Oct 10 00:57:03 mayhap Oct 10 00:57:46 served up 30,000 pageviews yesterday, so that combined with all the traffic from preware etc, not surprising Oct 10 00:58:21 aye, but preware.org runs most of the feeds Oct 10 00:58:47 and that combined with webos-internals which holds our git repo too.. only had 2.5GB of logs Oct 10 00:59:26 then I dunno :( Oct 10 00:59:38 I'm not like.. inflating log size for an e-peen contest or anything ;) Oct 10 00:59:38 yeah, me either. Oct 10 00:59:40 lower your log level? Oct 10 01:00:02 yeha ill take a look @ it. Like I siad, I hadnt done much apache tweaking since the server wasnt doing much previously Oct 10 01:00:19 AnOutsider|SGU, your nick infuriates me :P to answer your tweet: no hulu for oz Oct 10 01:00:20 right but good lord.. I couldn't imagine anything trying to parse that log file for anything useful Oct 10 01:00:29 a single file being 2.5GB in size? Oct 10 01:00:31 haha I don't Oct 10 01:00:34 but I've seen worse Oct 10 01:00:39 oh, i have too Oct 10 01:00:49 I have always set my nightly log rotate to rotate at 250MB Oct 10 01:07:14 egaudet: you see the big patch icon templarian made? Oct 10 01:07:23 its good for patches without icons Oct 10 01:10:28 ugh Oct 10 01:10:49 just reinstalled preware finally after i uninstalled before the 1.2 update Oct 10 01:11:00 first time running on the phone its been "updating" for like 15 minutes now Oct 10 01:11:52 i dont remember it taking this long last time i installed it Oct 10 01:14:58 it failed Oct 10 01:15:02 it should not take that long Oct 10 01:15:49 hmm 17 day uptime maybe ill try rebooting it Oct 10 01:16:29 are you on wifi? Oct 10 01:16:40 hmm no Oct 10 01:16:59 that seems to be the major culprit Oct 10 01:16:59 cant remember think i was last time i installed it Oct 10 01:17:10 installation doesnt matter Oct 10 01:17:20 people seem to have trouble hitting feeds on wifi Oct 10 01:17:22 oh doing it on EVDO just sucks for updating? Oct 10 01:17:24 do you have terminal installed? Oct 10 01:17:27 oh weird Oct 10 01:17:29 no Oct 10 01:17:33 no, evdo seems to be better then wifi Oct 10 01:17:37 i was on the console with novacom though Oct 10 01:17:42 as far as updating feeds are Oct 10 01:17:59 strange Oct 10 01:18:09 maybe a reboot will fix it Oct 10 01:18:10 can i get you to run ipkg -o /var update and tell me if any fail? Oct 10 01:18:14 havent rebooted it since i did the 1.2 update Oct 10 01:18:31 ok give me a few its shutting down Oct 10 01:19:41 ok that seems to be working Oct 10 01:19:56 canuck did at least Oct 10 01:19:58 its doing optware now Oct 10 01:26:49 that completed fine Oct 10 01:26:54 i tried to run preware again Oct 10 01:27:02 for ~2-3min there was EVDO activity Oct 10 01:27:12 now its idle and still says updating Oct 10 01:27:13 weird Oct 10 01:27:28 although i see the java thread running Oct 10 01:27:45 using 2-4% cpu Oct 10 01:28:08 nothing in /var/log/messages about preware or the service? Oct 10 01:28:18 exceptions is what you're looking for Oct 10 01:29:45 just powerd/battery notices Oct 10 01:29:47 no java exceptions Oct 10 01:30:05 hm Oct 10 01:30:45 you might try just turning off a bunch of feeds and then running the update to see if you can at least get it to complete Oct 10 01:30:51 then turn more on till it stops working again Oct 10 01:31:11 appmenu>preferences, preferences appmenu>feeds Oct 10 01:31:15 then back gesture back to the updating scene Oct 10 01:31:18 and hit appmenu>update feeds Oct 10 01:32:56 hmm Oct 10 01:33:22 it wont let me change what feeds the only thing it will let me do in prefs is change when it updates Oct 10 01:33:25 i set it to manual Oct 10 01:33:29 then hit update feeds Oct 10 01:33:36 no Oct 10 01:33:41 from preferences scene Oct 10 01:33:42 getting EVDO activity again but its still sitting there Oct 10 01:33:48 hit the app menu, and go to feeds Oct 10 01:33:48 oh Oct 10 01:33:59 it should list them all with a toggle Oct 10 01:34:22 oh it doesnt Oct 10 01:34:37 the only thing my app menu has Oct 10 01:34:44 is prefs, update feeds, and help Oct 10 01:34:51 yeah, go to the preferences scene Oct 10 01:34:57 then while you're in that scene looking at the prefs Oct 10 01:34:59 hit the app menu Oct 10 01:36:12 guess ill just enable them starting from the top down Oct 10 01:36:25 sounds like a plan Oct 10 01:36:44 once you get back to the updating scene, be sure to hit hte appmenu>update feeds Oct 10 01:36:46 to re-start it Oct 10 01:43:20 hmm Oct 10 01:43:24 it appears to have been Oct 10 01:43:26 pimpmypre Oct 10 01:43:54 i enabled all the important ones and it works... like optware precentral webos-internals Oct 10 01:45:28 * oil shakes fist at pimpmypre Oct 10 01:46:11 my sentiments exactly Oct 10 01:52:37 hmm now im getting a setfont error from the terminal app Oct 10 02:41:23 restarting preware.org servers to allocate more memory. increasing max number of concurrent connections from 200 to 300. Oct 10 02:43:22 haha rod talked my servers into spazzing Oct 10 02:43:32 huge load now, but site is still pretty snappy Oct 10 02:52:36 dyoung: thanks for reallocating memory on the server. Oct 10 02:52:53 * rwhitby introduces dyoung as one of the dedicated volunteers that keep the servers running. Oct 10 02:53:06 ello Oct 10 02:53:10 rwhitby just glad the server didnt burst into flames. ;-) Oct 10 02:54:09 dyoung has been a colleague of mine for over 5 years, since the very start of the nslu2-linux.org project, where he had hardware and I did not and I was guiding him on which bytes to binary sed to be able to trick the Linksys firmware into booting from USB Oct 10 02:56:07 ok, I'm offline for a while. Good luck with the server, hope we did under 300 soon. Oct 10 02:58:08 * rwhitby bbl **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 10 02:59:56 2009