**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 11 02:59:56 2009 Oct 11 03:07:14 I gave up on the rsync a while ago lol Oct 11 03:07:19 ok Oct 11 03:07:25 do you remember what the problem was? Oct 11 03:07:25 * freakout-lunch is going to try setting it up on the emulator now Oct 11 03:08:03 If I can make it work without blowing up my skull, I might write a guide... Oct 11 03:08:14 rick u have a rooted pre Oct 11 03:08:37 yes tharris- rooted back sometime around June 17th upgraded several times, but never doctored. Oct 11 03:09:01 I lost count lol Oct 11 03:11:55 ive doctored SO many times. Oct 11 03:13:16 deltacopy rick Oct 11 03:19:53 http://i38.tinypic.com/3505v8x.png :) Oct 11 03:21:24 oil: nice work Oct 11 03:21:34 I can remove that red warning now. Oct 11 03:21:43 well Oct 11 03:21:48 dependency installation isn't released yet Oct 11 03:21:48 and start porting some real optware packages Oct 11 03:22:00 people will still need that notice till they update Oct 11 03:22:03 oil: yeah, but it's only one Preware-only release away Oct 11 03:22:12 right Oct 11 03:22:18 im still working on it obv :) Oct 11 03:22:50 im thinking about maybe putting a # on left of hte icon Oct 11 03:22:53 1, 2, 3, 4 Oct 11 03:22:54 etc Oct 11 03:23:01 since for installation, order matters Oct 11 03:25:43 rwhitby: in keeping with the theme we were just on... install rsync ;) Oct 11 03:25:56 rwhitby: i mean *port* rsync Oct 11 03:26:28 rwhitby: you see the guy with the package manager not running's post? Oct 11 03:26:52 yep, did my reply get there - I typed it on the Pre as I was heading out the door Oct 11 03:27:08 i mean Oct 11 03:27:11 freakout: rsync is trivial - as soon as we have dependencies it's there Oct 11 03:27:12 he 'fixed; it Oct 11 03:27:32 for some reason patches were in teh way of ipkgservice running? Oct 11 03:27:40 i asked for a lists of what patches he had installed, but he hasn't replied yet Oct 11 03:27:57 rwhitby: cool. That will make some v. happy. Lotsa bitching about no easy way to do full desktop backups on webOS, like you could on PalmOS Oct 11 03:39:42 Is there a way to add FB birthdays to the calender? Oct 11 03:40:33 rwhitby: d'you know of anyone who's working on GUIs for optware stuff? Oct 11 03:40:39 freakout: nope Oct 11 03:40:55 oil: is the latest dependency stuff checked in? Oct 11 03:42:21 what optware Oct 11 03:42:27 Abyssul: not that I'm aware of. I suggest dropping it in the suggestion box here http://www.palm.com/us/company/feedback.html Oct 11 03:42:39 I think I found a way Oct 11 03:42:51 Transfer FB to google Oct 11 03:42:58 hmmm... Ill find a way Oct 11 03:43:08 entity- Any of it, actually. I'm just curious. Optware is still the coolest thing about Pre hacking, IMO Oct 11 03:43:26 not that I don't love the VK, egaudet :p Oct 11 03:53:12 rwhitby: yes Oct 11 03:56:53 whats there could probably be pushed for testing Oct 11 03:57:04 ive still got stuff i want to add though Oct 11 03:57:29 how do i save an image on a web page Oct 11 03:57:30 but this version should defiantly be tested more by others Oct 11 03:57:40 tharris: orange+tap it Oct 11 03:58:42 ty Oct 11 04:03:42 oil: ok, I'll put up 0.9.4 for testing if you tag it Oct 11 04:04:46 it already id Oct 11 04:04:49 8is Oct 11 04:13:08 what is optware Oct 11 04:13:11 why is it the coolest Oct 11 04:14:25 can i ftp with palm pre? Oct 11 04:14:30 anything with opt in the front of its name is the coolest, optimus prime, spaten optimator, etc.. Oct 11 04:14:41 lol Oct 11 04:15:16 i thought we were supposed to be fixing my Pre here.... Oct 11 04:15:18 hmmm Oct 11 04:15:25 What's up with your Pre? Oct 11 04:15:27 entity-: yes if you install an ftp client Oct 11 04:15:35 Is there a way to see all day events display on the monthly view of the calender? Oct 11 04:15:38 well after installing the patches a couple of days ago Oct 11 04:15:45 with some kind of icon or something? Oct 11 04:15:53 it has now decided to not work properly...WEB doctored it Oct 11 04:16:16 I found a way to export FB birthdays into google calender Oct 11 04:16:20 and now it wont take half the apps or the VK Oct 11 04:17:18 ohhh...best part it went Tmobile Sidekick on me and my contacts my calendars everything was NOT backed up Oct 11 04:18:51 * geist yawns Oct 11 04:19:43 morning geist Oct 11 04:19:55 abyssul Oct 11 04:19:56 how? Oct 11 04:21:11 can i FTP with my pre? Oct 11 04:21:44 tear..... Oct 11 04:23:08 entity-: use the wiki instructions to install optware, then install an ftp client Oct 11 04:23:13 entity -- you will need to install optware Oct 11 04:23:19 preware 0.9.4 is in the alpha testing feed Oct 11 04:23:20 then you can install any of several ftp clients Oct 11 04:23:29 ipkg-opt list | grep ftp Oct 11 04:23:34 will give you a nice list of options Oct 11 04:24:02 I like ftpcopy -- it's simple for a more full featured ftp client I use ncftp Oct 11 04:24:27 what's the change log look like for 094? Oct 11 04:24:45 how hard is optware to install Oct 11 04:24:55 and can i still update my pre from Palm? Oct 11 04:25:05 a) dirt simple b) yes. Oct 11 04:25:16 entity I have had optware on my pre since late june Oct 11 04:25:22 I have upgraded every time since then Oct 11 04:25:25 and never doctored. Oct 11 04:25:51 entity-: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Oct 11 04:26:32 it's literally 4 lines Oct 11 04:26:54 then you will have ipkg-opt and can install any of the 1300+ optware linux command line programs Oct 11 04:27:15 dude Oct 11 04:27:22 how do i run those four line Oct 11 04:27:26 terminal? Oct 11 04:39:14 what os is your desktop? Oct 11 04:39:18 entity-: Oct 11 04:41:52 oil: are we going to add a "Remove All" option to dependency removes? Oct 11 04:42:33 entity-: to run the four lines, you read the wiki page that rick_home posted on the line before. Oct 11 04:43:51 oil: maybe at the bottom of the "Packages That Depend On This" screen, we can put a "Remove All" button, so that people have to look at the packages first Oct 11 04:44:23 oil: I like the new "Unknown" Category too Oct 11 04:44:44 rwhitby: i wasn't planning on making remove all easy Oct 11 04:44:50 besides, that dependent list isn't recursive Oct 11 04:44:57 its only packages that depend on that package specifically Oct 11 04:45:01 oh. Oct 11 04:45:02 not every package that depends on every other package Oct 11 04:45:29 a remove all option would cause "HEY WHY IS THIS MAGICALLY GONE?" posts Oct 11 04:45:38 cause they didn't think they needed gnu patch Oct 11 04:45:43 so they removed it Oct 11 04:45:47 and even though its spelt out Oct 11 04:45:51 they aren't reading it Oct 11 04:45:58 oil: imagine a "remove all" for GNU Patch - that's a quick way to remove all patches before an upate Oct 11 04:46:07 thats what epr is for :) Oct 11 04:49:18 though, i do have other ideas for mass-install and mass-remove Oct 11 04:49:27 like including swipe-to-delete in the installed list Oct 11 04:49:44 and perhapse a checkbox-on-each-package multi-install from any list scene Oct 11 04:49:57 though im still tossing those around in my noggin Oct 11 04:52:01 and with mass-install comes an "update all" button in the package updates list Oct 11 04:55:34 oil: we need configurations Oct 11 04:55:48 "save current installed list" Oct 11 04:55:59 "install configuration" Oct 11 04:56:03 and it saves the list locally, or remotely? Oct 11 04:56:14 hmm - good point Oct 11 04:56:20 and Oct 11 04:56:27 is this idea just for patches? Oct 11 04:56:33 we can store it past a webos update, but not past a doctor Oct 11 04:56:55 I think the idea is for everything you have installed Oct 11 04:57:13 and maybe you can select types of things to be included in the configuration Oct 11 04:57:20 if its for a doctor Oct 11 04:57:24 then it would have to be remotely Oct 11 04:57:42 or maybe we could do a file on /media/internal they could get to Oct 11 04:57:43 you should be able to use the same dependency code to install a configuration of packages, right? Oct 11 04:57:53 yeah Oct 11 04:57:57 the code is generic Oct 11 04:58:00 it gets a list of packages Oct 11 04:58:09 yes, /media/internal file is a good idea, then people can save configurations if they want, and have a list of differently-named configurations Oct 11 04:58:17 on package install, the list just happens to be the packages it depends on Oct 11 04:58:28 the list could come fr anywhere Oct 11 05:54:20 how do you kill dropbear? Oct 11 05:54:37 i installed the msn shit Oct 11 05:54:48 taking foreever to sign in though Oct 11 06:20:41 It'd be nice to be able to select multiple files at once to attach to emails Oct 11 06:47:03 anyone around to test new preware? Oct 11 06:48:36 Looking for preware alpha testers - 0.9.4 release candidate is now in the testing feed Oct 11 06:55:34 no-one? Oct 11 06:58:49 yo yo yo Oct 11 06:59:18 i was trying to install bitchx Oct 11 06:59:29 im too n00b Oct 11 06:59:30 too do it Oct 11 06:59:47 says can't find -sh bitchx Oct 11 07:15:46 https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/4779885909 <- Preware 0.9.4 release Oct 11 07:28:29 its out? Oct 11 07:28:40 is it going to fuck mys hit up Oct 11 07:29:03 hopefully not Oct 11 07:29:31 im doing it Oct 11 07:29:57 preware loads and say Oct 11 07:30:03 " You are gay" Oct 11 07:30:15 lol Oct 11 07:30:21 looks liek its fine Oct 11 07:33:40 well thats good Oct 11 07:35:11 entity-: please leave the inappropriate language out of this channel Oct 11 07:42:42 the messaing plugin works great Oct 11 07:42:57 will be nice when you can sync with contacts for synergy Oct 11 07:43:15 * rwhitby bbiab Oct 11 07:43:24 also log out feature for each IM Oct 11 09:07:40 hi Oct 11 09:08:03 Any one here? Oct 11 09:09:05 t Oct 11 09:09:05 T Oct 11 09:09:06 T Oct 11 09:09:07 T Oct 11 09:09:08 T Oct 11 09:09:08 T Oct 11 09:09:09 T Oct 11 09:09:10 T Oct 11 09:09:12 T Oct 11 09:09:14 T Oct 11 09:09:16 T Oct 11 09:09:18 T Oct 11 09:09:20 T Oct 11 09:09:22 T Oct 11 09:09:24 T Oct 11 09:09:26 T Oct 11 09:09:28 T Oct 11 09:09:30 T Oct 11 09:09:32 T Oct 11 09:09:34 T Oct 11 09:09:36 T Oct 11 09:09:38 T Oct 11 09:10:25 nice T's Oct 11 09:12:17 n00bs... Oct 11 09:15:35 Oh... still can't install patches in 0.9.4 xD Oct 11 09:18:20 sucks Oct 11 11:32:01 anyone want to test a stand-alone Preware installer? Oct 11 11:41:47 http://get.preware.org/PrewareInstaller-0.9.4.jar Oct 11 12:45:48 * rwhitby bbt Oct 11 12:52:19 damn you rwhitby, i need to go to bed Oct 11 12:53:37 * freakout downloads Oct 11 12:56:20 rwhitby: works like a charm Oct 11 12:56:27 night all Oct 11 15:17:57 woot for dependencies Oct 11 15:40:43 Morning all Oct 11 15:41:02 mronin Oct 11 15:42:00 Has anyone looked into adding Secure Unlock duration times? Oct 11 15:51:17 Guess nobody is awake :p Oct 11 17:31:55 when are you relasing the nezxt msn version? Oct 11 17:32:49 Greg has been busy lately. I havnt even gotten a chance to talk to him lately so its been slow progression Oct 11 18:17:08 okay cool Oct 11 18:17:12 Anyone here know how to tell if the enter button is pressed? Oct 11 18:17:24 i been using 1.0.3 Oct 11 18:19:35 what do you mean kesne? Oct 11 18:28:45 is org.webosinternals.messaging_1.0.4_armv7.ipk safe? Oct 11 18:29:41 no Oct 11 18:31:03 I mean how do I add a listener for the enter key Oct 11 18:38:26 Weird, I got all my plugins for IMing to work now Oct 11 18:38:34 before I could only get MSN to work Oct 11 18:42:07 yo Oct 11 18:42:16 im on irssi Oct 11 18:42:23 on my pre Oct 11 18:42:38 hi Oct 11 18:43:04 woow Oct 11 18:43:45 hello Oct 11 18:48:46 using terminal? Oct 11 18:48:55 ya Oct 11 18:49:02 no redraw issues? Oct 11 18:49:04 you using screen? Oct 11 18:49:08 kesne Oct 11 18:49:25 PreGame Oct 11 18:49:29 i think so Oct 11 18:49:33 just use enterSubmits: true, Oct 11 18:49:42 i ahd to do a/clear Oct 11 18:49:48 nice Oct 11 18:49:58 I don't think that'll work Oct 11 18:52:06 hello Oct 11 18:52:37 no to see if i can get on linknet Oct 11 18:55:01 this phone is awesome Oct 11 18:57:16 how i can i use fish with irssi Oct 11 18:58:48 anyone here Oct 11 18:58:49 no Oct 11 18:58:51 know Oct 11 18:58:58 how to connect with ncftp Oct 11 18:59:11 i can only get it too login annoynnmously Oct 11 19:01:56 ncftp -u (username) Oct 11 19:04:14 didnt work Oct 11 19:04:23 is there a diff ftp? Oct 11 19:22:05 hi folks - after dozens of rom flashes, my pre is completely refusing to charge. Anyone seen this before? Oct 11 19:22:21 I see the battery/charging image, but it just sticks there... Oct 11 19:22:51 fuck Oct 11 19:22:57 i can't get it to ls a dir Oct 11 19:23:11 i can get it to cd Oct 11 19:23:17 but no ls Oct 11 19:26:29 ConfusedVorion_, WebOS Repair Utility Oct 11 19:26:42 okay Oct 11 19:26:45 lftp dont work Oct 11 19:26:48 ncftp dont work Oct 11 19:26:52 but tnftp does Oct 11 19:28:10 what folder is where all the file are that i download from emails and put on through usb Oct 11 19:28:15 where do i get and put to Oct 11 19:31:12 egaudet: what have i missed this weekend Oct 11 19:32:14 WebOS 1.4.6 Oct 11 19:33:55 Abyssul: thats almost believable Oct 11 19:34:43 can anyone help with geting and puting Oct 11 19:37:05 ./media/internal/ ? Oct 11 19:43:44 nice Oct 11 19:43:48 i figured it oout Oct 11 19:44:06 if there a file manger on the pre? Oct 11 19:48:43 Yes Oct 11 19:48:58 Just ask Jason about it Oct 11 19:50:46 if oudn it Oct 11 19:50:49 im installing Oct 11 19:51:41 awesome Oct 11 19:51:44 im set Oct 11 19:54:11 the only thing i need now is a gui txt editor Oct 11 19:54:16 is there one? Oct 11 20:02:13 is thera txt editor Oct 11 20:02:17 my pc crashed? Oct 11 20:37:50 quiet place Oct 11 20:40:55 test Oct 11 20:45:45 ping Oct 11 20:46:22 pong Oct 11 20:46:31 Wow...a response Oct 11 20:46:40 Been many years since I used IRC Oct 11 20:46:41 they need a text editor for the pre Oct 11 20:46:44 a guiu Oct 11 20:47:00 irc is great Oct 11 20:47:03 how can we help you Oct 11 20:47:31 I just registered here for future use....I see it mentioned in the Pre forums so I wanted to be ready in case I needed real time help. Oct 11 20:47:53 good people in here Oct 11 20:48:22 So far so good with the Pre....love homebrew...WebOSQI....but really love the capabilities of Preware! Oct 11 20:48:42 have you isntal optware? Oct 11 20:48:47 and terminal Oct 11 20:48:49 ? Oct 11 20:49:02 Optware....is that a feed? Oct 11 20:49:08 Just installed terminal yesterda Oct 11 20:49:28 it give you access to 1300 linux apps that you can use in term Oct 11 20:49:35 In fact, I was having a problem installing the browser multi patch and found the solution in the forums...using terminal and deleting a few files Oct 11 20:49:52 wow... Oct 11 20:50:12 Without the Homebrew community...the Pre by itself would be dead in the water in my opinion Oct 11 20:50:38 its a strong comunity Oct 11 20:51:08 i can pretty much do everyhting on my pre Oct 11 20:51:11 Oh yeah...it's really taken off well and makes the Pre a killer phone Oct 11 20:51:15 palm should ditch their app catalog and e-commerce shit and install Preware by default Oct 11 20:51:23 I agree Oct 11 20:51:43 just let us handle things Oct 11 20:51:47 So far their app catalog hasn't impressed me...no offense to the developers but I don't think I've seen an app there that I would purchase at this time. Oct 11 20:51:52 thanks to the people in the channel Oct 11 20:52:02 imaginemhow bad ass the pre would be if everything was opensource Oct 11 20:52:05 i can IRC , MSN and FTP from my phone! Oct 11 20:52:23 I was wondering about an FTP backup of some type... Oct 11 20:52:25 egaudet: i have hellazb on my pre Oct 11 20:52:27 :D Oct 11 20:52:37 err entity-^^ Oct 11 20:52:38 tab fail Oct 11 20:52:44 I had a centro and use NVBackup....and used the FTP function all the time to send backups to an FTP site Oct 11 20:52:51 what hhellazb? Oct 11 20:53:30 i wanna be able to edit my websites from my phone Oct 11 20:54:07 morning Oct 11 20:54:18 Hey...it's THE rwhitby! Oct 11 20:54:28 :) Oct 11 20:54:49 Sorry...I see your posts all the time in the forums...nice to see you here. Oct 11 20:55:30 NiteTrek: um, I'm always here ... nice to see *you* here ;-) Oct 11 20:55:36 :) Oct 11 20:55:49 I'm actually Trekker in the forums but I believe that nick is taken here. Oct 11 20:56:15 entity-: hellanzb is a program that downloads stuff from usenet Oct 11 20:56:19 You've done a great job with WebOS internals...preware...etc Oct 11 20:56:26 usenet >> torrent + ftp Oct 11 20:59:24 My cat is crowding me....so if you see some strange characters appear....it's him. Oct 11 21:01:04 Ok....on topic question.....I see from time to time that people in the forums forget to install/update the package manager before preware itself.....is there a way to make it idiot proof? In other words, if someone goes to install preware, a check is made to see if the package manager is already installed? Oct 11 21:01:36 And if not...prompt them to install it first...or do it for them? Oct 11 21:02:54 NiteTrek: Preware 0.9.4 handles the package dependencies automatically now Oct 11 21:03:38 Cool....glad to hear it...hopefully it will cut down on some of the issues people are having. Oct 11 21:07:01 Hey Jason..how's it going? Oct 11 21:12:47 pretty good, u? Oct 11 21:13:38 any need to update package manager if just updating preware from 0.9.3 to 0.9.4? Oct 11 21:14:03 jtee: *always* update the package manger :p Oct 11 21:14:10 Ok here....didn't realize WebOS had a chat channel....my IRC skills are a bit rusty Oct 11 21:14:21 < anyone know if TetherService v0.5.0 was the last free version available? Oct 11 21:14:43 freakout-work, I know that's the standard line... but is it needed for this upgrade? Oct 11 21:14:54 jtee: no Oct 11 21:15:18 rwhitby, thanks... i suspected not looking at the change log Oct 11 21:15:20 there is no related ipkgservice upgrade - just make sure you've already for 0.9.7 Oct 11 21:15:40 0.9.7 for preware? Oct 11 21:15:49 jtee....when I check for updates if there is a package manager update available, I update it first...if there isn't, then I just update Preware Oct 11 21:16:00 tnks Oct 11 21:16:03 goot idea Oct 11 21:16:35 rwhitby: that standalone installer for preware works fine, btw. Although i had to remember to hit the 'emulator only' option. It just sat there eating CPU until I did Oct 11 21:16:53 rwhitby: is that greg's installer you're using? Oct 11 21:17:09 whoa, you rolled out the standalone installer? Oct 11 21:17:14 I'm all out the loop :( Oct 11 21:18:03 AnOutsider: was just a beta. i think? Oct 11 21:18:29 freakout-work: yep Oct 11 21:18:37 AnOutsider: http://get.preware.org/ Oct 11 21:18:53 And we also have http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/preware now too. Oct 11 21:19:10 Both of which have been waiting for dependency support :-) Oct 11 21:19:22 saw the home-brew page :) Oct 11 21:20:25 haha norton flipped out over the exe Oct 11 21:20:27 but looks good Oct 11 21:25:28 AnOutsider: does the exe work? I hadn't tested that. Oct 11 21:26:38 Preware is already #7 on the PreCentral homebrew ratings list Oct 11 21:27:00 I already have it installed, so I didnt actually install it Oct 11 21:27:20 and it's no surprise, easily the most useful app there Oct 11 21:27:25 IMO anyhow Oct 11 21:28:08 rwhitby: only #7? what's #1? Oct 11 21:28:13 freakout-work: fileCoaster Oct 11 21:28:25 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/preware can be used to give a rating ... Oct 11 21:29:13 im surprised there aren't any comments Oct 11 21:30:11 usenet + torrent < FTP Oct 11 21:30:55 * freakout-work rates "Must-have" Oct 11 21:30:55 god mytether is such a damn pain Oct 11 21:31:03 heh. I like that I can rate it without downloading it Oct 11 21:31:11 That's a trustworthy poll right there... Oct 11 21:31:47 Since you mentioned mytether... anyone have a clue if it'll work straight off the bat with GSM pres? Oct 11 21:33:53 * jtee is enjoying a fine local brew : http://www.terrapinbeer.com/beers/13-Volume-3---Gamma-Ray Oct 11 21:37:18 * rwhitby bbl Oct 11 22:07:44 I cant believe Microsoft lost all of the Sidekick cloud data Oct 11 22:11:33 what is sidekick Oct 11 22:11:38 isnt tha tgame thing? Oct 11 22:12:32 Its a phone lol Oct 11 22:12:53 lol Oct 11 22:13:05 they lost all the data for a phone Oct 11 22:13:11 someone must be getting fired Oct 11 22:13:28 Haha Oct 11 22:17:02 i guess they never heard of tape backup Oct 11 22:17:06 ... Oct 11 22:18:37 That wasn't funny at all :\ Oct 11 22:20:29 ohhh.... using empathy for combined aim, y!, jabber, and irc... not too shabby Oct 11 22:22:20 Abyssul: it wasnt meant to be funny Oct 11 22:23:56 http://www.prethinking.com/home/2009/10/10/what-happens-if-you-drop-palm-pre-in-beer.html Oct 11 22:23:59 ^--now thats funny Oct 11 22:24:35 waste though Oct 11 22:24:43 for no reason, could have at least sold it on ebay =p Oct 11 22:29:55 I wonder how much pressure it would take to crack a Pre screen Oct 11 22:30:16 I've got some pants with tight pockets and wonder if I'm at risk of breaking it Oct 11 22:30:23 Idk lol. I broke mine when someone lightly punched it Oct 11 22:30:24 lol Oct 11 22:30:30 :s Oct 11 22:30:33 tightass jeans Oct 11 22:30:35 maybe I'll play it safe Oct 11 22:30:46 what, by not punching it? Oct 11 22:30:50 I have the 2600 mah battery, which adds bulk to it Oct 11 22:30:57 only one pair of pants makes me concerned Oct 11 22:31:52 * freakout-work takes a dim view of tight jeans Oct 11 22:32:00 baggy jeans FTW Oct 11 22:33:03 freakout only wears jnco Oct 11 22:33:29 well Oct 11 22:33:34 I avoid baggy jeans because I bicycle everywhere Oct 11 22:33:37 they get in the way Oct 11 22:33:46 thats what rubber bands are for Oct 11 22:33:52 yeah, I use them :p Oct 11 22:35:31 preferably I'd just wear shorts 24/7, but it's that time of year. Oct 11 22:36:44 Its hot as hell here in south cakalaky :p Oct 11 22:36:57 oil: bwahaha. those look like clown pants. extreme bagginess Oct 11 22:37:22 "Since 1991, JNCO has delivered the hippest denim jeans and phat styles to satisfy the demands of even the most hardcore hip-hop, skater and music oriented sub-cultures." Oct 11 22:37:31 I don't think I'm hip nor phat enough for them Oct 11 22:37:32 lol Oct 11 22:37:53 Never heard of them Oct 11 22:38:53 they were all the rage when i was in middle school Oct 11 22:40:55 So, do we have many success stories from http://get.preware.org/ ? Oct 11 22:41:43 kinda like triple 5 soul Oct 11 22:41:48 expensive for no reasons Oct 11 22:41:52 jeans are jeans... Oct 11 22:41:57 yeah, everyone wanted those a decade ago Oct 11 22:42:36 i like levi's and dont give a fuck if people dont think im a unique artsy fartsy loser Oct 11 22:42:40 hehe Oct 11 22:44:18 rwhitby: didn't realise there was an exe too. much difference between that and jar? Oct 11 22:45:24 ah, sweet @ PreWare installer. I haven't heard of that yet. Oct 11 22:45:28 Has PreCentral done a promotion on it? Oct 11 22:46:15 You mean an article? Oct 11 22:47:09 * freakout-work laughs at tlp's definition Oct 11 22:47:21 yeah Oct 11 22:47:22 rwhitby pays us bloggers to push his product Oct 11 22:47:22 pardon the pun, but has anyone had any bad mojo changing roots shell on the pre? Oct 11 22:48:19 Holy crap the 3800 battery is huge. It could take out a small country Oct 11 22:49:16 Haven't heard of the 3800 Oct 11 22:50:00 tlp: no, the installer is less than 12 hours old. we're beta testing it as an alternative for anyone who can't get webos quick install to work. Oct 11 22:50:35 * freakout-work love's loot- 's pun, but can't help with the question Oct 11 22:50:49 ah Oct 11 22:52:49 im about to just change it and see what happens Oct 11 22:53:03 if i leave a shell open using /bin/sh and logins fail with bash ill just change it back Oct 11 22:53:32 btw if anyones interested Oct 11 22:53:32 i have gotten a grsecurity patched kernel to boot in the emulator Oct 11 22:53:32 rwhitby, what's with the size difference between the exe and the jar? Oct 11 22:53:33 im going to attempt booting the pre with one shortly Oct 11 22:53:52 freakout-work: one's a .NET executable, the other is Java. Oct 11 22:54:50 loot-: if you unmount the directory which holds the replaced shell, or forget to update /etc/shells, you can be in for problems, but if you know what you're doing (as you obviously do), there should be no problems. Oct 11 22:55:18 freakout-work: source code for the installers is referenced in the README file at get.preware.org Oct 11 22:55:53 freakout-work: as for paying for pushing products, we don't pay anyone - we just play each blogging site against each other to achieve our goals ;-) Oct 11 22:56:37 freakout-work: A certain Premier of the state where I was born used to call it "Feeding the chooks" Oct 11 22:56:48 rwhitby: i was just curious i guess if there were any adverse affects from using bash instead of sh because pretty much everything runs as root on the pre Oct 11 22:56:53 i wish they had changed that Oct 11 22:57:23 loot-: haven't tried it myself, but can't think of anything that will break off the top of my head. Oct 11 22:57:26 i would much prefer the profile creation routine when you first activate your phone create a non-privileged user to run all of your processes as Oct 11 22:58:01 im hoping to have a grsec kernel for the pre shortly Oct 11 22:58:16 having a hardened kernel will be a big added bonus :> Oct 11 22:58:53 i have a few concerns for the average joe using it still so im undecided if i should release a doc on how to do it Oct 11 23:05:24 rwhitby: where i grew up "feeding the chooks" has an *entirely* different meaning :p Oct 11 23:07:23 loot-: put it in the research area of the wiki, and mark it appropriately. Oct 11 23:09:28 is everyone reading http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/208788-howto-reenable-wifi-tethering-free-mytether.html ? Oct 11 23:09:41 Ive scanned it Oct 11 23:12:54 rwhitby: that works Oct 11 23:12:59 thx Oct 11 23:13:35 i decided to go with the hero Oct 11 23:13:50 i'll miss my pre however Oct 11 23:14:39 phiq2: good luck. phones are such a personal choice that we cannot fault anyone for the choices they make. Oct 11 23:15:08 the hero has a slower cpu doesnt it? Oct 11 23:15:13 thx Oct 11 23:15:25 yes Oct 11 23:16:12 well i wish you luck Oct 11 23:16:17 my last HTC phone was a pile :( Oct 11 23:17:09 your last HTC wasn't sprint's hero Oct 11 23:18:21 agreed Oct 11 23:18:33 it was the touch Oct 11 23:19:05 beyond the OS being horrible... the construction quality was horrid and the battery life was half that of the pre with a CPU with less than half the horsepower Oct 11 23:19:40 wow that sucks, the thing making me to switch is build quality. Oct 11 23:19:53 and sense UI adds some nice things Oct 11 23:20:21 well dont expect build quality with HTC Oct 11 23:20:25 should have got a samsung Oct 11 23:20:25 gonna give my stock battery a shot again just to convince myself this extra thickness is worth it Oct 11 23:21:30 rwhitby: speak for youself, i reserve the right to mock anyone using an iPhone :p Oct 11 23:21:43 it feels more solid than the pre, everytime i open the keyboard and type on the pre it starts making creaking noises. Oct 11 23:22:16 i had my touch 3 days before it broke Oct 11 23:22:21 second one lasted 3 months Oct 11 23:22:22 :( Oct 11 23:22:24 and it has a plastiky feel to it, on the other hand the HTC feels great and i can see the phone lasting 2 years. Oct 11 23:23:23 off-topic question for the channel, please reply using /msg so that it doesn't start a conversation. I may be travelling to Japan again next week, and neither my GSM Treo 650 or Sprint CDMA Pre will work there of course. So what 3G/UMTS phone should I purchase just for this trip? Oct 11 23:23:39 ughh the upload method on the download manager is killing me Oct 12 00:05:20 Could someone update the "calender-all-day-events-month-view" patch for 1.2.1? Oct 12 00:05:25 I could really use that Oct 12 00:20:15 Abyssul: dBsooner was working on it, i thought Oct 12 00:20:24 hmm Oct 12 00:25:39 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/208724-import-fb-birthdays-into-pre.html Oct 12 00:25:45 Beast!! :) Oct 12 00:28:35 *shrug* I guess monthview is cool if you really want to browse your calendar for birthdays Oct 12 00:29:21 thats the only thing I use it for currently Oct 12 00:29:28 But seriously, I just made my calendar alerts in gmail to give me a 2 week warning, for buying gifts ahead of time Oct 12 00:30:08 And then 3 days ahead of time for just a general reminder that I'm going to probably get ready soonish for hanging out, and thne finally the day of so I don't sound like a jerk by going "your birthday was yesterday? I'm sorry :(" :) Oct 12 00:35:58 hello? Oct 12 00:36:22 good day, dude Oct 12 00:36:29 yo dude Oct 12 00:36:32 how's it hanging dude? Oct 12 00:36:39 dude, what are you up to? Oct 12 00:36:42 sorry =/ Oct 12 00:36:58 hi, can I ask a question about my Pre? Oct 12 00:37:31 you can ask, but we may not answer Oct 12 00:37:45 may or may not answer* Oct 12 00:38:46 heh :) how do I change themes? I dowloaded super mario and NBC Oct 12 00:39:05 you should only install one theme at a time Oct 12 00:39:43 though a theme manager would be nice Oct 12 00:40:38 doh! My text is cut off right above dpadalino Oct 12 00:41:14 you should only install one theme at a time Oct 12 00:41:42 OK I see Oct 12 00:42:20 thank you! This IRC is all scrambled on my ore display Oct 12 00:42:21 uninstall them both and then in the future uninstall which theme you have installeda nd then install the one you want afterwards Oct 12 00:42:49 OK got it, thank you! Oct 12 00:43:48 * phiq2 wantz to love app development Oct 12 00:45:00 have a nice day everyone! Bye! Oct 12 00:45:13 many thanks! Oct 12 00:45:18 np Oct 12 00:45:36 r u guys talkin bout irc on the pre? Oct 12 00:49:58 would anyone pay for a twitpic app Oct 12 00:50:02 .99 cent Oct 12 00:50:18 atlanta: i wouldnt, im sure some would. Oct 12 00:50:35 i ouwlnt pay shit for anything on the pre Oct 12 00:50:43 or maybe one that incorporates a few of the pic services Oct 12 00:50:58 maybe ill make a free one just for twitpic and full with the others Oct 12 00:51:03 atlanta: im not a tweeter ;) Oct 12 00:51:07 gotcha Oct 12 00:51:11 PuffTheMagic: i feel you on that one Oct 12 00:51:16 photobucket/imageshack Oct 12 00:51:32 Decimate: yea maybe i can work that in there Oct 12 01:17:48 Hi All. Does anyone have experience in coercing a /dev/dsp on the Pre? Oct 12 01:18:32 what is the orange button in the emulator Oct 12 01:18:41 I tried getting padsp to work, but am missing a few too many libs it needs. Oct 12 01:28:05 tharris- left alt works for me Oct 12 01:44:53 ty Oct 12 02:06:44 how does EPR work? Oct 12 02:06:55 i installed it but nothing happened Oct 12 02:06:59 should i reboot phone? Oct 12 02:10:17 :O whatwhatwhat! preware...in the...dare i say it...precentral app catalog! Oct 12 02:16:28 ls -laF Oct 12 02:18:35 very nice. I got SIP working Oct 12 02:18:50 22:18:15.063 pjsua_media.c Opening sound device PCM@16000/1/20ms Oct 12 02:20:06 zonyl: I expect you're the first one to play with it in here. Oct 12 02:20:12 zonyl: planning to make a VOIP app? Oct 12 02:21:13 Ill just write up instructions and leave it to the mojo pro's :) Oct 12 02:21:33 theres always someone who makes something great Oct 12 02:21:37 and no one ever makes the gui :P Oct 12 02:21:52 amazing what a bit of alcohol and some mucking around with libs on the pre can do ;) Oct 12 02:22:39 Ill have to do some more testing to make sure what I am seeing is accurate. Oct 12 02:22:51 zonyl: you're not dropping the Pre in a beer are you? :p Oct 12 02:23:42 freakout-work: hehe. Damn near stepped on it though. Was considering paying a friend of mine to drop his old iPhone in beer so I could vid record / post it from the Pre ;) Oct 12 02:24:22 lol Oct 12 02:24:54 zonyl: i'm sure the fanboys of the internet would appreciate the retaliation :) Oct 12 02:26:43 * zonyl off to read the man page of pjsua to see how to get this thing configured to my asterisk box. Oct 12 02:28:07 how do you restart luna from terminal? Oct 12 02:29:53 use luna-send Oct 12 02:30:07 k Oct 12 02:30:34 * rwhitby bbl Oct 12 02:52:10 i cant restart it from terminal Oct 12 02:52:26 sure you can Oct 12 02:52:27 Morning guys :) Oct 12 02:52:38 luna-send reboot? Oct 12 02:52:42 i cant figure it out Oct 12 02:53:06 do you want luna to rescan for new stuff, or actually restart luna itself ? Oct 12 02:53:30 i installed a patch with preware, dont want to turn the device off and back on. Oct 12 02:53:51 probably rescan Oct 12 02:53:59 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Oct 12 02:54:05 damnnnn Oct 12 02:54:06 luna commands from here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send Oct 12 02:54:15 long command **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 12 02:59:56 2009