**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 14 02:59:56 2009 Oct 14 03:02:04 Night everyone. Oct 14 03:02:48 nite Oct 14 03:04:27 rwhitby: ping Oct 14 03:04:43 dBsooner: what's up Oct 14 03:05:21 rwhitby: I was reading your tweet from last night (this morning?) where it said you found the limit is 60%, not a hard limit of 150MB? Oct 14 03:05:32 I'm playing with partitions sizes just for fun since I've managed to hit the secondary app limit even with fairdinkum, and because i'm bored tonight. Oct 14 03:05:36 dBsooner: it's a 100MiB free limit Oct 14 03:05:44 ohh Oct 14 03:05:50 so resizing to 2Gb would fix Oct 14 03:05:55 yep Oct 14 03:06:00 cool Oct 14 03:06:09 I think i am going to do that Oct 14 03:06:14 symlinking does too Oct 14 03:06:24 your recommendation? Oct 14 03:07:03 rwhitby: slightly OT, but I'm chuckling at the can of worms you've opened with Fair Dinkum. the precentral thread is double the size it was when i looked yesterday... Oct 14 03:07:07 dBsooner: while I note you didn't ask me -- I went for symlinking myself. It seemed less drastic Oct 14 03:07:32 lol.. thanks nt4cats. Oct 14 03:07:47 I don't mind drastic Oct 14 03:08:04 freakout-work: clipcarl sent improved code, and we worked together on IM to release 0.4.0 Oct 14 03:08:41 dBsooner: ... and why you'd trust the opinion of this 'rwhitby' guy I can't fathom. I'm not even sure if he's ever seen a Pre before Oct 14 03:08:54 he hasn't. Oct 14 03:08:56 But that's ok. Oct 14 03:09:12 he's definitely never made a phone call with one ... Oct 14 03:09:15 (or an emulated one) Oct 14 03:09:17 Tis true Oct 14 03:09:24 +rwhitby: lol Oct 14 03:09:26 and never actually sent/received a text with one Oct 14 03:09:26 (or a picture of one) Oct 14 03:09:53 makes it less drastic for him to have to meta-doctor Oct 14 03:09:55 * nt4cats can't even be obnoxious correctly Oct 14 03:10:10 since it's my main device, meta-doctoring is a little more important Oct 14 03:10:24 I re-doctor regularly Oct 14 03:10:30 lol Oct 14 03:10:31 nice Oct 14 03:10:45 FYI, I'm about 3/4 of the way done with a partition resize already, and it seems pretty painles if you're familiar with the linux terminal. Oct 14 03:11:09 VeeDubb65-steve: Knock on wood Oct 14 03:11:26 rwhitby: Can we decide that the need for a standardized binary patch method is not needed at this exact moment so I can push forward with my developing of the iphone useragent spoof patch? Oct 14 03:11:36 I want to find out what Palm is going to do before making a recommendation on symlinking vs resize Oct 14 03:11:40 no worries. The worst case scenario is 45 minutes to run the dr and get everything backt he way it was. Oct 14 03:11:45 rwhitby: me as well Oct 14 03:11:48 * thatdude is going away to spend quality time with his bed. Oct 14 03:11:55 rwhitby: which is why I am kind of reluctant to do either one at this moment. Oct 14 03:12:37 rwhitby: my thoughts are that symlinking is easier to undo versus a resize ... so the pain of picking the 'wrong' one is smaller with symlinking ... at least that's what I talked myself into believing Oct 14 03:12:38 alright. Just started the final reboot. We'll see if it loads up and all is well. Oct 14 03:13:12 VeeDubb65-steve: can you paste the log of what you did as raw code in a wiki page? Oct 14 03:13:27 I don't see why not. Oct 14 03:13:33 let me see if it boots up first. Oct 14 03:13:37 resizing an LVM can be dangerous Oct 14 03:13:47 heck resizing any partition without deleting/adding is scary Oct 14 03:14:05 +dBsooner: VeeDubb65-steve is just fucking bored, who cares :P Oct 14 03:14:14 hmm Oct 14 03:14:17 +dBsooner but I agree :) Oct 14 03:14:25 dBsooner: that's why I do it via the doctor, then you know everything is going to be deleted anyway Oct 14 03:14:31 thatdude: hey be nice. Oct 14 03:14:45 VeeDubb65-steve: I am nice Oct 14 03:15:00 VeeDubb65-steve: good luck on reboot Oct 14 03:15:04 rwhitby: should I have asked my question differently? Like: Have you pondered the binary patching any further? Oct 14 03:15:05 rwhitby: did you seem my comment today about modifying the doctor to allow of user definable partition sizes? Oct 14 03:15:16 hey, it took a while to come up, but it appears to be working. Oct 14 03:15:25 let met check it out and see if it's really working or not. Oct 14 03:19:56 dBsooner: I'm starting to think that all ipkgs with scripts should be signed, and ipkgservice should refuse to install anything not signed with a known key Oct 14 03:20:14 rwhitby: not sure where you'd want it posted, so I"m transfering you a txt file of my terminal session for resizing. Oct 14 03:20:20 looks like everything worked perfectly. Oct 14 03:20:30 rwhitby: agreed Oct 14 03:21:07 VeeDubb65-steve: just create a new page. ;) Oct 14 03:21:45 PuffTheMagic: no, I did not. It's clear a front-end to meta-doctor is required, but I'm personally not going to write it. I'll wait for Jason to do it. Oct 14 03:21:58 front end Oct 14 03:22:13 i was gonna modify the java files in the webos dr. jar Oct 14 03:22:18 no other gui needed Oct 14 03:22:22 one is already provided Oct 14 03:22:35 PuffTheMagic: ah, I see. yeah, I was thinking about that last night too. Oct 14 03:23:54 rwhitby: I assume you want me to hold off a couple more days on this iphone useragent patch? Oct 14 03:24:16 why is a iphone useragent patch needed? Oct 14 03:24:20 what is it gonna provide? Oct 14 03:24:27 isnt webkit enought for everything Oct 14 03:25:23 some pages render differently when you have iphone as your useragent Oct 14 03:25:37 different as in "better" Oct 14 03:26:08 should just get those sites to add the pre's user agent Oct 14 03:26:25 if the page works just by changing user agent then the browers itself is capable Oct 14 03:26:32 and the site should add support for it Oct 14 03:26:54 dBsooner: you should do it like konqueror Oct 14 03:27:05 add a option to the browser to change user agent on the fly Oct 14 03:27:14 PuffTheMagic: I am simply creating an ipkg from someone elses patch Oct 14 03:27:16 and have a list of known user agents Oct 14 03:27:34 and allow per domain user agents Oct 14 03:27:41 a static patch would be poop Oct 14 03:27:41 and user agent requires binary editing Oct 14 03:27:53 dBsooner: the correct response is "Patches welcome" ;-) Oct 14 03:28:11 rwhitby: elaborate? Oct 14 03:28:46 dBsooner: when someone says "you should ...." to an open source developer, that is the correct reponse. Oct 14 03:28:57 lol Oct 14 03:29:36 so its a binary patch? Oct 14 03:29:42 yes Oct 14 03:29:47 wonderful Oct 14 03:29:52 what do you think started this whole "binary patch" thing today? Oct 14 03:30:11 nfc... could have been 1 of a million thing Oct 14 03:30:13 things Oct 14 03:30:32 lol Oct 14 03:30:47 rod told me to hold off on creating a binary patch Oct 14 03:30:54 yes please do Oct 14 03:30:59 lol Oct 14 03:31:09 i need to find a way to blacklist them first Oct 14 03:31:14 ha Oct 14 03:31:17 a new "Type" should be used for them too Oct 14 03:42:29 I'm old, I'm tired, I'm going to bed. Talk to youze tomorrow. Oct 14 03:49:10 so, anyone know of a software way to reset the headset mode, when your ear piece gets stuck off? Oct 14 03:49:27 reboot? Oct 14 03:49:32 nadda Oct 14 03:49:59 opie_: ear piece... like a bt ear piece? Oct 14 03:50:05 there must be a setting somewhere, or maybe it's literally a hardware glitch Oct 14 03:50:20 nah, PuffTheMagic, just like the internal ear speaker Oct 14 03:50:29 I suspect that it is a hardware glitch. Probably some little relay switch. Oct 14 03:50:37 Mine has never gotten stuck. Oct 14 03:50:48 Where do I get a copy of the default theme that comes with the pre? Oct 14 03:50:49 seems like lots of people post about it on the forums but can't find a definative cause Oct 14 03:51:11 sounds like an issue with pulseaudio Oct 14 03:51:22 opie: it's likely a bum headset jack Oct 14 03:51:28 try reinserting your headphones a few times Oct 14 03:51:35 or blowing in it hard Oct 14 03:51:59 did he even mention uising the headphone jack? Oct 14 03:52:02 yeah, i got it working again using those techinques, just trying to figure out what's actually going on Oct 14 03:52:13 PuffTheMagic: it's a pretty common thing to go wrong Oct 14 03:52:24 this is the first i've heard of it Oct 14 03:52:29 PuffTheMagic: "headset mode" was my tip Oct 14 03:52:41 opie: I've had the same problem with my other Palm phones a nubmer of times Oct 14 03:52:43 odd, the palm support forums are littered with the issue Oct 14 03:53:07 you must have lint filled pockets ;) Oct 14 03:53:16 but no one specifically says, it's a hardware issue or it's a software issue from what i can find. But if it persists over reboot, i'm assuming it's a hardware issue Oct 14 03:53:20 opie: you'll find the same with any smartphone, really. Jacks are really crap hardware, very cheap parts generally Oct 14 03:53:22 PuffTheMagic: maybe Oct 14 03:53:24 opie: it's hardware Oct 14 03:53:41 opie: there's a mechanical switch in the jack most likely that's getting stuck Oct 14 03:53:50 there is a /dev/input/event* file for the headset jack switch Oct 14 03:53:51 Can anyone help? Oct 14 03:53:55 idk how to tell if its on or off Oct 14 03:54:01 PuffTheMagic: that's what i'm interested in Oct 14 03:54:07 but there is info about it Oct 14 03:54:10 right, that's be fun to tinker with Oct 14 03:54:15 you would have to look into the evdev spec Oct 14 03:54:23 to decode it probably Oct 14 03:55:49 Can anyone help me? Oct 14 03:56:03 Manifest: what is it you need help with? Oct 14 03:56:06 Manifest: webos dr Oct 14 03:56:17 VeeDubb65-steve: Where do I get a copy of the default theme that comes with the pre? I installed a theme and it literally integrated into my default theme. Oct 14 03:56:42 soembody posted the full theme on the forums. Oct 14 03:56:49 can't you just remove the theme, i'm assuming the themes just use patching Oct 14 03:56:51 just search for "default theme" Oct 14 03:57:10 opie: for some reason in the Treos palm used a mechanical switch rather than electrical in the jack Oct 14 03:57:11 opie_: a lot of folks have had trouble with certain themes and certain patches messing eachother up Oct 14 03:57:17 webos dr it Oct 14 03:57:20 opie: If they've done the same with the Pre, it would explain the issue Oct 14 03:57:38 freakout-work: good to know. thank you Oct 14 03:58:35 VeeDubb65-steve: Can you help? Oct 14 03:59:01 Manifest: you really only have 2 options Oct 14 03:59:10 PuffTheMagic: And those are? Oct 14 03:59:38 Manifest: extract the userland from the webos dr and restore the files any theme touched or run the webos dr completly Oct 14 04:00:11 Manifest: couldn't you do something like this. Find all the files that are patched by the theme you installed, you'd have to look at the theme install script and decipher this. Find those files in the webos image and copy them back over to the pre Oct 14 04:00:32 opie_: Yeah, not that good with my pre yet Oct 14 04:00:33 opie_: that was the 1st thing i just suggested Oct 14 04:00:35 Just put preware on today Oct 14 04:00:44 right, you type faster i guess puff Oct 14 04:00:54 PuffTheMagic: does the webos dr work on Ubuntu? Oct 14 04:01:00 yeah it works on linux Oct 14 04:01:10 Manifest: your other option is just to install this ipk http://bit.ly/1eSISH Oct 14 04:01:12 PuffTheMagic: Can you give me a download link to this? Oct 14 04:01:16 oil: i think you need to add themes and patches to the "secret hidden options menu" Oct 14 04:01:20 it contains the default theme for 1.2.x Oct 14 04:01:20 Manifest: you run ubuntu and you can't copy file sto the pre. Come on, it's just linux, setup a shell Oct 14 04:01:21 Manifest: its on palms site Oct 14 04:01:25 google webos dr Oct 14 04:01:35 no Oct 14 04:01:48 seriously, you can't be telling this guy to run webos dr because of a bad theme install Oct 14 04:01:51 that's really crazy Oct 14 04:01:57 http://bit.ly/1eSISH is the default theme in an ipk Oct 14 04:02:03 just install it with WebOSQuickInstall Oct 14 04:02:11 Where do I get that? Oct 14 04:02:18 click the link Oct 14 04:02:23 I just posted it twice Oct 14 04:02:25 http://bit.ly/1eSISH Oct 14 04:02:27 there, that's 3 times Oct 14 04:02:43 oh, where do you get webosquickinstall? Oct 14 04:02:50 Yes. Oct 14 04:03:04 just search the forum for webosquickinstall. It's not possible to miss it. Oct 14 04:03:08 VeeDubb65-steve: i definately can Oct 14 04:03:21 i never run woqi and never will Oct 14 04:03:34 VeeDubb65-steve: Looks like a windows only program... Oct 14 04:03:50 ^^ which is why i will never run it Oct 14 04:04:00 manifest, install the ipk by hand after you setup a user Oct 14 04:04:06 no. WebOSQuickInstall is a java app. It's 100% cross platform. Oct 14 04:04:12 and the ipk is a package. Oct 14 04:04:12 wosqi is java Oct 14 04:04:17 VeeDubb65-steve: WOSQI is java Oct 14 04:04:18 VeeDubb65-steve: Can you link me to the download for it? Oct 14 04:04:27 erm, i meant Manifest Oct 14 04:04:31 Manifest: webosinternals.org Oct 14 04:04:32 not that it was necessary in the echo chamber Oct 14 04:04:33 search Oct 14 04:05:19 no pages called webos quick install Oct 14 04:05:48 * rwhitby wonders why people have philosophical barriers to running useful tool, just cause they look like something that might be a windows tool. Oct 14 04:06:12 Manifest: preware wiki page has a link Oct 14 04:06:29 rwhitby: Thanks Oct 14 04:06:31 precentral.net has a number of front page articles on it Oct 14 04:06:43 when I want to search for it, I just ask google ... Oct 14 04:07:10 Manifest: While it completely unnecessary to reflash your Pre, you seem to be missing something. You can't have installed a theme without having first installed something from the command line, or previously used quick install. You need to slow down, and do more reading. As a guy I once worked told me, "If you keep running this fast you're gonna step on your dick." Oct 14 04:08:07 rwhitby: i made my mind about not using woqi before i knew it was or was not a java app Oct 14 04:08:37 out of curiosity, what is your issue with wosqi? Oct 14 04:09:08 VeeDubb65-steve: i does not do anything for me that i can do with the sdk and or ssh Oct 14 04:09:24 and its a non webosinternals.org app Oct 14 04:09:36 i dont promote non webosinternals apps Oct 14 04:09:41 Actaully, it does 2 things MUCH better. It can change boot screens and your avatar in a single step. Oct 14 04:09:47 of course, that's about it. Oct 14 04:09:57 i dont need woqi to do that Oct 14 04:09:59 I'm sure it's a God-send for most windows users though. Oct 14 04:10:10 No, but those two are easier with wosqi Oct 14 04:10:17 VeeDubb65-steve: I use a Mac, and I use it too Oct 14 04:10:58 I use Ubuntu Linux, and I use wosqi as well, because frequently it's just slightly faster and/or easier. Oct 14 04:11:47 I use wosqi, scp, palm-install, wget, ipkg, preware, all fairly interchangeable for installing apps based on the circumstance. Oct 14 04:12:17 i also dont know what its "really doing" and dont care to take the time to find out, and since i dont know what its doing dont trust it and dont use it Oct 14 04:12:23 I'm just saying that for windows users who have never seen a linux/unix terminal, I'm sure it's one of the most usefull pieces out there. Oct 14 04:12:30 I can't get the feel for scp. I really prefer hotSSH, but I don't know there's a mac version. Oct 14 04:12:55 PuffTheMagic: I missed it earlier. Am I correct that you are a linux user? Oct 14 04:13:54 VeeDubb65-steve: yeah i stopped using windows years ago, i got sick of serial numbers, paying for software, having to format on a monthly basis to get my box to run like it did on day one, viri and maleware Oct 14 04:14:23 I'm trying to guess here. Would you happen to be a gentoo user? Oct 14 04:15:07 Ubuntu user myself. Oct 14 04:15:08 sure am.... but that came after trying just about everything on the sun, even left gentoof or alittle bit then came back and then never left Oct 14 04:15:16 but im an ubuntu fan Oct 14 04:15:19 gentoo aint for anyone Oct 14 04:15:35 im just happy if u use linux Oct 14 04:16:08 rwhitby is a Mac? Oct 14 04:16:08 although i didnt really learn linux till i stuck it out with gentoo Oct 14 04:16:10 funny how easy it can be to tell what distro a person uses sometimes. As soon as you made your comment about not knowing what wosqi was doing, I immediately thought gentoo. Nothing wrong with gentoo btw, I just prefer debian based distros. Oct 14 04:16:19 * freakout-work is shattered. he held rwhitby in such esteem :p Oct 14 04:16:52 freakout-work: I have mac, linux and windows alll running at once. Oct 14 04:16:53 VeeDubb65-steve: i've been like this since I was a kid, took everything apart to find out how it works Oct 14 04:16:59 dont like using anything with out knowing how it works Oct 14 04:17:06 rwhitby: respect +1 Oct 14 04:17:43 * freakout-work would virtualize ubuntu rather than dual-boot between it and windows, but doesn't have the RAM for it Oct 14 04:17:45 PuffTheMagic: good. Then that means gentoo is probably the right one for you. Oct 14 04:17:47 im sure my dad didnt appreciate all the broken drills and VCR's, etc. Oct 14 04:17:53 lol Oct 14 04:18:13 freakout-work: just ditch windows Oct 14 04:18:19 or vbox windows instead Oct 14 04:18:30 the worst I ever did was remove all the doorknobs in the house when I was about 5. Oct 14 04:19:07 I'm not a big fan of using vbox unless you have to. It ends up being a crutch that slows people down when they're trying to learn linux. Oct 14 04:19:24 VeeDubb65-steve: agree for the most part Oct 14 04:19:32 the whole dual boot is even worse Oct 14 04:19:38 there is no motivation to learn Oct 14 04:19:43 when you have a fall back Oct 14 04:19:53 agreed completely. Oct 14 04:19:58 but i grew up with DOS Oct 14 04:20:04 so linux wasnt really a strech Oct 14 04:20:21 PuffTheMagic: so did I. <3 DOS. I still use the commandline on Win for a lotta stuff :) Oct 14 04:20:44 I used windows for about 6 months when XP came out, and another 6 months when vista came out (just to try them) and other than that, I've been single bootling linux since around 2000. Oct 14 04:20:44 PuffTheMagic: And I can't ditch Win completely until someone gives me a proper Winamp on 'nix Oct 14 04:20:49 freakout-work: onlythingi use cmdline for in windows (when i HAVE to use windows) is for ipconfig Oct 14 04:20:59 cause repair takes FOREVER thought he gui Oct 14 04:21:09 freakout-work: lol, wtf can winamp do that you can't find in a linux app? Oct 14 04:21:13 freakout-work: audacious? Oct 14 04:21:23 VeeDubb65-steve: Not SUCK :p Oct 14 04:21:25 banshee is the tops IMHO Oct 14 04:21:35 PuffTheMagic: nope. I've tried 'em all. None of them can touch my heart Oct 14 04:21:39 lol. Try banshee. Oct 14 04:21:39 Quick question: The recent updates wiped out my unprivileged user. What's the best way to get that user back? It seems to have wiped the opt directory. Oct 14 04:21:44 freakout-work: what are you looking for? Oct 14 04:22:21 freakout-work: all my mp3's are in folders by CD so i have no need for a media database Oct 14 04:22:23 PuffTheMagic: (1) an interface that doesn't ape iTunes, which sucks (2) proper support for embedded album art (3) tiny windowshade mode Oct 14 04:22:38 lol album art Oct 14 04:22:52 definately not staring at my media player when listening to music Oct 14 04:22:59 PuffTheMagic: heh. I'm anal about such things Oct 14 04:22:59 let me double check the windowshade mode real quick, otherwise banshee fits the bill. Oct 14 04:23:17 freakout-work: just about every player supports album art Oct 14 04:23:23 esp mpd and xmms2 guis Oct 14 04:23:54 even my car pc xmms2 touchscreen interface shows album art ;) Oct 14 04:24:34 well, they all support it, but they don't all support it 'properly' with embeded information. Banshee does. Oct 14 04:24:50 Anyone, anyone? Oct 14 04:24:59 alright, unless I"m missing something, it doesn't have a windowshade type mode, but it does run from the task tray. Oct 14 04:25:03 either of you try Mozilla Songbird yet? Oct 14 04:25:16 Pre101: That's actually really simple Oct 14 04:25:28 Unfortunately, I'm having a brain fart at the moment. Oct 14 04:25:33 Pre101: follow the directs you used to get the user in the first place Oct 14 04:25:39 directions Oct 14 04:25:45 PuffTheMagic: nah, that's not it. Oct 14 04:25:50 OK. Just reinstall all the ipkg-opt stuff? Oct 14 04:25:55 yeah Oct 14 04:25:56 if you install from the command line, the install scripts set the user up. Oct 14 04:26:05 well, you can certainly try it. Oct 14 04:26:22 I guess the problem I had before was that opt was reinstalled from preware and messed it uip. Oct 14 04:26:31 you can always add a user manually if that doesn't work. Oct 14 04:26:52 juse use root Oct 14 04:26:59 i dont get the whole add another use thing Oct 14 04:27:09 just so u can run sudo or 'su -' Oct 14 04:27:28 s/use/user/ Oct 14 04:27:31 PuffTheMagic: I tried songbird once when it was really early in development, but it was way too immature at that point, and I'm having trouble getting it installed on Ubuntu64bit now. And since banshee works so well, I just haven't bothered. Oct 14 04:27:37 because I can't seem to ssh in as root. Oct 14 04:27:52 You have to set a password for root to do that. Oct 14 04:28:12 PuffTheMagic: but they still suck, for reasons I can't detail right now (stupid work!!) Oct 14 04:28:18 Can I just plug in a public key? Oct 14 04:28:19 Pre101: use novaterm and edit optware-dropbear and disable the no root login crap Oct 14 04:28:30 PuffTheMagic: VeeDubb65-steve: but believe me I've tried 'em all. i can't love 'em Oct 14 04:28:33 VeeDubb65-steve: songbird is really nice, yes i used early on too and it did have issues buts its definatly nice Oct 14 04:28:37 good ipod support Oct 14 04:28:44 good internet radio suppor Oct 14 04:28:45 t Oct 14 04:29:01 The ipod support can't be better than banshee. the support in banshee is flawless. Oct 14 04:29:22 try the ipod support in songbird Oct 14 04:29:26 i've tried them all too Oct 14 04:29:34 i still use gtkpod Oct 14 04:30:03 cause songbird is overkill for what i need Oct 14 04:30:18 buts def good Oct 14 04:31:47 That's odd... Oct 14 04:32:03 When I went looking for /opt before it was missing.... now it's there... weeeeeeeird. Oct 14 04:35:00 * PuffTheMagic thinks Pre101 was dosed with lsd Oct 14 04:35:10 ;) Oct 14 04:35:11 PuffTheMagic: I'm sure I'm just blind, but I can't seem to find the config files for dropbear. Where are they? Oct 14 04:35:23 /etc/event.d Oct 14 04:35:33 thanks Oct 14 04:36:15 good evening all Oct 14 04:38:07 PuffTheMagic: alright, I'm really blind. Either that's not what I'm looking for, I need to go to bed. I'm looking for where to enable root login for ssh. Oct 14 04:38:23 remove -F Oct 14 04:38:25 or something like that Oct 14 04:38:30 optware-dropbear Oct 14 04:38:33 not dropbear Oct 14 04:38:42 lol Oct 14 04:39:13 I was trying to edit /etc/event.d/dropbear instead of /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear Oct 14 04:39:26 well....all I had to do was make the fs writeable then do an adduser again and I could log in again. Oct 14 04:40:40 and it's -g to disable root login. -F is for enabling respawns Oct 14 04:41:20 I don't suppose that there's a patch out there to add support for 3rd party apps and 3rd party MIME types to the ApplicationManager? Oct 14 04:42:42 what specifically are you trying to add? Oct 14 04:43:30 Well I'd like to be able to say send an e-mail including a URI using a custom scheme (i.e. myapp://localhost?query=here Oct 14 04:43:34 ) Oct 14 04:43:53 And use that to launch my application receiving the arguments at launch time Oct 14 04:44:16 AFAIK, that sort of thing would be handled by the ApplicationManager -- but it only handles predefined file extensions / MIME types. Oct 14 04:45:09 This would be a way to provide some lengthy parameters to an app without having to try to type them in on the tiny Palm Pre keyboard. Oct 14 04:45:37 interesting. Completely over my head, but interesting. Oct 14 04:46:22 I know that it's doable on the iPhone but then iPhone provides some lower level hooks. Oct 14 04:46:47 (and I'm abandoning my iPhone for a Pre so... ;-) ) Oct 14 04:47:49 Hrmmm... I wonder if I can just do palm://fully-scoped-app-name in the Application Manager... Oct 14 04:48:13 I guarantee you that it's possible, since there's already a terminal app, and that means total access to the linux terminal. It's just completely over my head. I'm a little surprised nobody else has chimed in. They must all be afk. Oct 14 04:50:51 right... Oct 14 04:51:11 ideally, patching the OS wouldn't be the ideal solution. I'm hoping that WebOS allows me to invoke an app via a URI... Oct 14 04:51:39 wow. two ideallys. redundantly redundant Oct 14 04:53:26 elight: i think the framwork for that exists within palm services already Oct 14 04:53:47 but i woul dbe willing to help look into that in the future Oct 14 04:53:53 i would be useful for lots of stuff Oct 14 04:54:00 Definitely. Oct 14 04:54:05 and if I need to write a new C service to do it i will Oct 14 04:55:35 I really need to start digging into programming for the Pre. I really want a particular program, and I doubt anybody else would be interesting in programming it. Oct 14 04:56:12 VeeDubb65-steve: It's fairly simple -- although the API is heavy on ceremony. Reminds me of Java Swing in some ways... Oct 14 04:56:42 ok, so the text "palm://fully-scoped-app-name" doesn't become clickable by itself... Oct 14 04:56:54 The extent of my programming experience is one java programming class in 2002, and some really extensive programs I wrote for the TI-83 calculator around 2000 Oct 14 04:56:56 And providing an href to same in a mail doesn't launch the app.... Oct 14 04:57:36 I'll be damned if I'm going to have users type in a 64-character string. ;-) Oct 14 05:37:04 elight: just try the url without tags Oct 14 05:37:11 ah Oct 14 05:37:31 tmzt: been there tried that Oct 14 05:38:41 VeeDubb65-steve: could you package them as ipk? Oct 14 05:38:52 add a custom feed or whatever? Oct 14 05:39:09 right Oct 14 05:39:20 didn't realize you meant palm:// Oct 14 05:40:03 Hello Oct 14 05:52:28 Does anyone know how bluetooth networking is configured on the pre? Specifically, where 10.1.1.10 comes from? Oct 14 05:53:59 ghjm: they use a custom stack Oct 14 05:54:09 you can try ifconfig though Oct 14 05:54:50 tmzt: Yes, ifconfig works, but I mean at bootup. I'm starting to suspect this ip address is hardcoded in the custom stack binaries. Oct 14 05:56:12 The problem is, if you connect wifi to a network using 10.1.1.0/24, it doesn't work unless you ifconfig bsl0 down, which is annoying. I've been looking for a way to change the ip assigned to bsl0, or failing that, stop it from being configured at bootup since I never expect to use bluetooth networking anyway. Oct 14 05:56:22 I've been able to find where all the other interfaces are configured. Oct 14 05:58:14 can you use bluez instead? Oct 14 05:58:21 just don't replace hidd Oct 14 05:58:41 or bridge them, they are both enet I think Oct 14 05:58:47 well Oct 14 05:58:56 wifi isn't with built in driver Oct 14 05:59:32 so you don't want bluetooth? Oct 14 06:00:03 I wouldn't mind if a headset still worked, but am willing to live without it. Oct 14 06:00:28 Installing bluez would presumably mean none of the gui config tools would work? Oct 14 06:01:20 It's hard to imagine they hardcoded 10.1.1.0/24 and it can't be changed from any config file, but so far that appears to be the case. Oct 14 06:02:37 I'm not trying to bridge to bluetooth, I'm trying to get a wifi network to work at all on 10.1.1.0/24. If you connect to such a network, it appears to connect ok but doesn't actually route through it, it continues using the cellular network, since it already has a kernel route to 10.1.1.0/24 on bsl0. Oct 14 06:04:22 right Oct 14 06:04:41 what does Palm use to manage network connections? Oct 14 06:05:09 right, thir would need to be new utilities written Oct 14 06:05:36 can you configure bsl in /etc/network/interfaces ? Oct 14 06:06:01 No, it's not in there Oct 14 06:06:32 Running /sbin/ifdown and /sbin/ifup, or stop networking and start networking, only seems to affect eth0 and ppp0 Oct 14 06:07:02 add it? Oct 14 06:07:04 ifdown bsl0 works and then I can talk to 10.1.1.0/24 via eth0 Oct 14 06:07:10 ifdown -a if up -a ? Oct 14 06:07:15 hmm, add it is an interesting idea Oct 14 06:07:24 but can you change the bsl ip? Oct 14 06:07:27 that's what I mean, ifdown -a doesn't take it down Oct 14 06:07:30 yes, using ifconfig Oct 14 06:07:32 right Oct 14 06:07:39 becase it's not in eni Oct 14 06:07:50 and ifup -a ifdown -a only act on auto Oct 14 06:07:52 I guess I could hack in a script so it configures it however, and then later on I change the config, but it seems inelegant Oct 14 06:08:05 at least ifup -a Oct 14 06:08:14 so try adding it to eni Oct 14 06:08:19 hmm ok Oct 14 06:09:19 but what's really got me curious is how does it get the address 10.1.1.10 in the first place? I did find . -type f -exec grep -il 10\.1\.1 {} \; and found nothing in /etc /usr /sbin /lib. Oct 14 06:09:39 So where does it come from? Is it hardcoded in their bt stack? Oct 14 06:10:32 Actually I found a couple config files, for local dhcp server and subnet config, but nothing with the full ip. Oct 14 06:10:33 Bluez will not help, period Oct 14 06:10:44 ok Oct 14 06:10:58 Bluez requires the use of the inkernel bluetooth stack which the pre does not use Oct 14 06:11:06 PuffTheMagic: tried it? Oct 14 06:11:13 wasn't really looking to replace the bluetooth stack anyway, I've just got a bad case of wanting to know how it works Oct 14 06:11:14 PuffTheMagic: right, of course Oct 14 06:11:27 sorry, misunderstood the question Oct 14 06:11:32