**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 15 02:59:56 2009 Oct 15 02:59:57 on both machines yes Oct 15 03:00:05 only n00bs use macs... Oct 15 03:01:01 Eguy: oh stop it :P Oct 15 03:01:14 Eguy: u use linux? Oct 15 03:01:43 what about dmesg? Oct 15 03:02:05 en0x: I use OSX/Linux/Windows ;) Oct 15 03:02:10 I have every platform Oct 15 03:02:36 i thought that u use linux Oct 15 03:02:50 because who uses linux is the one who cant get laid Oct 15 03:02:50 :p Oct 15 03:03:09 what are you saying against the people in here? :P Oct 15 03:03:24 hehehe Oct 15 03:03:29 i'm saying Oct 15 03:03:33 get life(); Oct 15 03:03:34 :P Oct 15 03:03:40 I use Win 7 on my main workstation Oct 15 03:03:41 osx: Oct 15 03:03:47 cut emo_hair(); Oct 15 03:03:50 or: Oct 15 03:03:54 stop being_gay(); Oct 15 03:04:01 ^ this Oct 15 03:04:04 lol Oct 15 03:04:38 if you don't have OS/2 Warp 4.0 runnin LAN server 5.0, I don't want to hear about your awesome systems :D Oct 15 03:04:55 twolaver: run it after plugging in Pre Oct 15 03:05:52 ok i dunno what i did...but FINALLY something worked, well at least recognized it was plugged in... Oct 15 03:06:13 so webosdoctor is workin... Oct 15 03:06:32 oh and on the windows machine btw...mac never did work Oct 15 03:06:56 I'm all about the BeOS :P Oct 15 03:07:03 f33r Oct 15 03:07:09 and don't make me whop out my qnx floppy Oct 15 03:08:23 i'm for *BSD Oct 15 03:08:24 oh memcached, how I love thee Oct 15 03:10:15 http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=5176 ha! Oct 15 03:10:39 worst part is that could easily be a man Oct 15 03:11:33 en0x, thats hot Oct 15 03:12:24 lol Oct 15 03:12:55 anyone in the NYC area or going to AdTech NY? Oct 15 03:21:40 So...did someone here create the v3 of the 4x4 Icons in launcher? Oct 15 03:23:19 sugardave, I'll see your OS/2 WARP 4, and raise you OS/2 2.1 on floppies with dial up :-) Oct 15 03:33:27 Ncommander I'll see your os/2 2.1 on floppies and raise you an Intel 8080 CPM on 8 1/2 inch hard sectored floppies. :-) Oct 15 03:33:46 note please that I have the machine to run it, and that it still boots. Oct 15 03:34:14 rick_home, I'll see your 8080 CPM floppies and I'll raise you an acoustic adapter powered by Google Voice and a dialup ISP :-) Oct 15 03:35:32 NCommander: hardcore Oct 15 03:35:45 sugardave, I think I still have all 29 floppies too Oct 15 03:36:05 somewhere I have the "red box" 3.0 on floppies...with another set of backups Oct 15 03:37:05 sugardave, I think my Palm IIIx is in the same draw Oct 15 03:37:09 * NCommander notes that was a great PDA Oct 15 03:37:56 reminiscing are we? Oct 15 03:38:58 Ron0001, just remembering how things have improved Oct 15 03:39:05 Ron0001, (or not. RIP Nextel) Oct 15 03:39:29 I'm pretty sure I have DOS 5.2 on floppies Oct 15 03:40:14 * NCommander had Windows 3.0 on 5 1/2s Oct 15 03:40:58 I remember upgrading my first pc from dual 5 1/4 inch floppies to a full height 2 MB hard drive. I was the coolest guy in the dorm Oct 15 03:45:29 seriously though, anyone know who wrote the v3 4x4 launcher patch. I found a small bug Oct 15 03:45:40 my first hard drive was a 14 inch 40 meg Oct 15 03:45:41 dbsooner did I think Oct 15 03:46:11 thanks, I'll look for him tomorrow Oct 15 03:46:17 well, that was the first one I -owned- anyway. Oct 15 03:46:19 :-) Oct 15 03:48:15 I "took" home a 14" hard drive with a pretty silver ring near the outside from a head crash Oct 15 04:11:07 NCommander: hard to do as google voice is no VoIP Oct 15 04:17:03 mmm kettle corn w/ crushed sea salt and cracked pepper :D Oct 15 04:17:20 what about beer ice cream? Oct 15 04:17:25 esp good after 4 beerds Oct 15 04:17:54 Eguy: that would have tbe the one of the nastiest things on earth Oct 15 04:18:06 beer cream Oct 15 04:23:30 tmzt, no, I call back on a landline attached to the adapter ;-) Oct 15 04:23:50 what adapter? Oct 15 04:24:14 tmzt, autistic adapter Oct 15 04:24:14 so what does google voice have to do with it? Oct 15 04:24:25 tmzt, it was a joke on how retro one could go :-P Oct 15 04:24:28 (or how old one is) Oct 15 04:25:26 right Oct 15 04:25:31 still makes no sense Oct 15 04:25:46 anything new on fso project I missed earlier? Oct 15 04:34:19 can anybody tell me the command to add a description to a quilt patch I'm creating? Oct 15 04:39:26 all these people logged in an nobody actually around. Kind of like congress.... Oct 15 05:05:59 Abyssul u still around? Oct 15 05:10:08 is anyone online? Oct 15 06:09:12 http://i38.tinypic.com/jrze5g.png Oct 15 06:09:13 :) Oct 15 06:10:35 nice Oct 15 06:24:53 sick oil Oct 15 06:25:22 its just the front end, im fleshing it out so puff has something to fill with a service Oct 15 06:25:46 nice Oct 15 06:28:07 it'll be a lot of wirc Oct 15 07:21:14 oil: sweet! Oct 15 07:21:29 oil: Palm-Dark option, please ;) Oct 15 07:22:11 * freakout is doing 8-minutes abs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWjTnBmCHTY Oct 15 07:23:38 * oil is booking a ticket to australia to slap freakout Oct 15 07:31:13 bwahaha Oct 15 07:32:10 you should join Mr. Brenkus' "gang", oil. you'll look as buff as me in no time! Oct 15 07:32:14 oil: http://tinyurl.com/yftn9ut Oct 15 07:32:17 xD Oct 15 07:32:58 lol Oct 15 07:33:07 who wears short shorts? Oct 15 07:33:11 freakout wears short shorts Oct 15 07:33:15 * freakout wears short shorts! Oct 15 07:33:20 lol Oct 15 07:33:43 oh no the precious cargo! you mean the hotpants sir? aye, the hotpants. Oct 15 07:33:45 my friends have never been so disgusted as the time when i broke out those things Oct 15 07:34:01 punzada: lol. oil won't get it, doesn't watch simpsons xD Oct 15 07:34:09 lol i'm just glad someone did :P Oct 15 07:36:26 simpsons has forever forged a mark on my brain, it's a good thing they stopped making episodes after season 10, was classy and bowed out from TV. *puts his ear plugs in and goes LA LA LA LA LA* Oct 15 07:37:09 they stopped after 10? Oct 15 07:37:12 i thought it was still on Oct 15 07:37:32 in my mind they did. Oct 15 07:37:40 lol Oct 15 07:37:44 so you're what, missing half? Oct 15 07:37:47 more then half Oct 15 07:37:53 they're up to 21 now :( Oct 15 07:38:01 it's been shit for many years sadly Oct 15 07:38:10 but seasons 2-10 in particular, ace Oct 15 07:38:14 one of the best might have been last year, the election one Oct 15 07:38:15 season 8 especially Oct 15 07:38:21 or I could be crazy Oct 15 07:38:30 every episode from season 8 = instant classic Oct 15 07:38:40 there have been a few gems in later seasons Oct 15 07:38:45 but, so few and far between Oct 15 07:39:21 I need something to do, I have no responsiblites tomorrow except to get drunk for my friends birthday later in the evening Oct 15 07:40:06 are you in us? Oct 15 07:40:12 I am Oct 15 07:40:30 hulu picks random simpsons usually you can watch Oct 15 07:40:46 that is an option Oct 15 07:41:17 i'm thinking something more geekly inclined though, like installing a new linux distro in a vm that I've never played with yet Oct 15 07:44:04 on your Pre? Oct 15 07:44:10 that would be impressive Oct 15 07:44:14 punzada: lol @ simpsons. I'm sad at the decline too. Oct 15 07:44:14 ha Oct 15 07:44:39 does qemu-x86 support flash 10? Oct 15 07:44:52 freakout: when i heard the rumor they were bowing out after 20 years, i considered that classy (although still a few years too late) - but here we are, season 21. >> Oct 15 07:45:01 they might have tried it on beagle Oct 15 07:45:11 they may have Oct 15 07:45:29 really, that one episode was good, season 20 Oct 15 07:45:31 punzada: yep. It's still occasionally hilarious, but they've lost all consistency. Oct 15 07:45:36 but you may be right Oct 15 07:45:48 The movie, however, I loved. Be happy for them to do another Oct 15 07:46:00 I enjoyed the movie as well, saw it opening weekend >> lol Oct 15 07:46:34 heh. me too Oct 15 07:46:40 * freakout is heading off the rock climbing Oct 15 07:46:56 o.O Oct 15 07:47:26 I'm trying to do something interesting with the pre, still early with it though Oct 15 07:47:45 I noticed the pre has pulseaudio on it, so i'm thinking streaming to it directly through that layer shouldn't be too hard Oct 15 07:47:46 and on that note - hey, oil Oct 15 07:47:52 here's another pic for you Oct 15 07:48:07 and also going the other direction Oct 15 07:48:14 streaming to better speakers on the local network Oct 15 07:48:17 http://tinyurl.com/yfckqyt Oct 15 07:48:31 but i know very little abotu pulse, reading now Oct 15 07:49:20 jeez Oct 15 07:49:20 whats with you and short shorts? Oct 15 07:49:20 do you own pants? Oct 15 07:49:46 hahaha Oct 15 07:49:47 * freakout is happiest in short shorts Oct 15 07:49:51 and sweatbands!! Oct 15 07:53:35 * punzada has recently discovered how awesome ncmpcpp + mpd is Oct 15 07:53:45 silly me using mplayer to play music from the command line all this time Oct 15 09:25:55 man, is no one talking? Oct 15 09:47:34 no more monkey business Oct 15 10:30:07 whats good Oct 15 11:23:16 I have one "conversation" that shows up when I click on the dude, but isn't otherwise listed in the conversations... Oct 15 11:23:22 any idea how to deal with that? Oct 15 11:23:32 er... tap on the dude Oct 15 11:46:10 hmm Oct 15 11:46:22 rwhitby, using cacti or just rrdtool straight up? Oct 15 11:46:22 Are you sure, i mean if you scroll down in conversations it's not there anywhere? Oct 15 11:46:31 hey tim Oct 15 11:46:46 gdmonning Neb00La Oct 15 11:48:30 uh? Oct 15 11:49:09 ah so that's why there were two of me :) Oct 15 11:49:20 * nebula kicks nebula1 Oct 15 11:49:33 load-module module-remap-sink sink_name=pmedia master=alsa_output.default channels=2 master_channel_map=front-left,front-right channel_map=front-left,front-right Oct 15 11:49:36 Cool stuff Oct 15 11:52:01 alphaone, figure out the bluetooth stuff and i'll buy you a beer Oct 15 11:52:09 an 8 rack Oct 15 11:52:12 errr Oct 15 11:52:23 24 rack Oct 15 11:52:24 nebula: What about the bluetooth stuff? Oct 15 11:52:33 the quality of the output is shit. Oct 15 11:52:39 ah Oct 15 11:52:42 they took out the code for a tweak Oct 15 11:52:49 when i pointed it out Oct 15 11:52:55 bastards! Oct 15 11:53:11 Hmm Oct 15 11:53:39 yeah it's called the bitpool value Oct 15 11:53:46 it's set somewhere around 30 Oct 15 11:53:50 needs to be more like 60 Oct 15 11:54:03 hence why a2dp headsets sound like ass Oct 15 11:54:24 to the average user it's acceptable, though... that's their stance Oct 15 11:54:33 Right now I'm happy streaming music from the Pre to my local pulseaudio server Oct 15 11:54:35 which is lame since it can be tweaked. Oct 15 11:54:41 yeah pulse is nice Oct 15 11:54:45 hmm Oct 15 11:54:59 okay, so why aren't they changing it? Oct 15 11:55:05 What are the drawbacks? Oct 15 11:55:25 i was thinking of recompiling pulse with hardcoded a2dp bitpool... but the PmBtEngine is what controls it and calls pulse Oct 15 11:55:36 they don't see it as an issue Oct 15 11:55:40 which is BS Oct 15 11:55:41 hmm Oct 15 11:55:59 it's obviously a low priority, if any at all, to them. Oct 15 11:56:06 recompiling pa might be a good idea anyway Oct 15 11:56:12 nebula, higher bitpool use more power/CPU? Oct 15 11:56:42 I want module-native-protocol-tcp as well Oct 15 11:56:52 So I can stream stuff to the Pre if I want Oct 15 11:57:08 At least, that's my experience with Softick Audio Gateway on Palm OS. On the highest settings it sounds great, but slows everything else down to a crawl Oct 15 11:58:22 freakout, nope Oct 15 11:58:36 just more bandwidth, so minimal cpu change Oct 15 11:58:38 imho Oct 15 11:58:56 i would think it taxes pulse more than anything Oct 15 11:59:13 which is already priority when youre streaming a2dp anyways Oct 15 11:59:30 if you notice running pandora while browsing Oct 15 11:59:49 hmmm. interesting Oct 15 12:00:05 * freakout will test for himself when he gets his German Pre imported :) Oct 15 12:00:20 i doubt s/30/60 would do much other than just cause random dropouts of signal, but it should be up to the enduser to select their stream rate Oct 15 12:00:40 1. Crap. 2. Not so crap. 3. Awesome. Oct 15 12:00:58 i enjoy music, so 3 is for me. Oct 15 12:08:44 jcrawford, slacker Oct 15 12:08:50 you're 8 minutes late Oct 15 12:09:33 alphaone, freakout: i sent a message to chuq just now RE: bitpool Oct 15 12:09:47 there Oct 15 12:09:50 is an open ticket with them in the dev forums Oct 15 12:10:22 nebula: cool. let us know how you go Oct 15 12:10:22 k Oct 15 12:21:32 hello Oct 15 12:22:45 anyone here Oct 15 12:22:46 ? Oct 15 12:31:27 yea Oct 15 12:35:53 I am having trouble getting WebOS Quick Install or the novaterm anyone know where to look as to why it wont connect or find the pre? Oct 15 12:36:43 turn dev mode on ? Oct 15 12:39:00 dev mode is on, Palm Novacom running in the net start listing Oct 15 12:39:25 strange Oct 15 12:39:41 I agree Oct 15 12:40:24 djk, i found cycling the service and running the app in eclipse debug mode helped me :) Oct 15 12:40:48 had that problem in windows 7 Oct 15 12:40:52 so stop start novacom Oct 15 12:40:55 beta :) Oct 15 12:41:07 on XP sp3 and Vista Oct 15 12:41:38 yeah, see what the app is doing in eclipse if all else fails Oct 15 12:41:54 i saw the calls for novacom in the debug window Oct 15 12:42:07 if they stopped, i just cycled the program Oct 15 12:42:26 my two pennies. Oct 15 12:43:00 what debug window? Oct 15 12:53:24 Does anyone of you know if it is possible to use generic jabber with the pre messaging app instead of google jabber? Oct 15 12:54:55 I don't think so, there is work on new plugins for it Oct 15 12:55:11 it might not even be xmpp for gogle talk Oct 15 12:55:17 google Oct 15 13:00:43 tmzt: you mean google talk also supports different protocols? Oct 15 13:01:16 tmzt: but they habe libpurple installed, I don't understand why they don't just provide support for everything supported by libpurple Oct 15 13:01:41 I guess they just lack the manpower to implement and test stuff Oct 15 13:24:09 sepi: yeah, Google has their own protocol for google talk while also supporting xmpp Oct 15 13:33:15 mornin' Oct 15 13:33:34 I have this way cool app on my Pre now. It is really awesome. Oct 15 13:33:56 You run it -- and it displays this amazing spinning wheel. Oct 15 13:34:26 hey guys do you know if activating through wifi would work on the gsm pre Oct 15 13:34:27 ? Oct 15 13:34:33 underneath the spinny wheel it says "checking version" Oct 15 13:34:53 That's all it does though. Oct 15 13:35:30 After that, it used to go through, update some "feeds", and then present me a list of applications, themes, and patches that I could install and uninstall, etc. Oct 15 13:36:14 sarcasm is thick in the morning Oct 15 13:36:47 is this just me, or is Preware borked for everyone right now? Oct 15 13:36:57 This started for me yesterday afternoon, I think. Oct 15 13:38:06 oil: ping Oct 15 13:39:17 works fine for me Oct 15 13:39:17 reboot ur pre Oct 15 13:39:42 en0x: I was about to do that, but thought I'd pop in here to see if it was just me. rebooting ... Oct 15 13:39:49 one of my employees was reporting the same yesterday Oct 15 13:39:55 it was hit or miss for me, but it worked Oct 15 13:44:34 The edit of the novacom install msi fixed the connecting problem wonder if Palm will be fixing that Oct 15 13:45:26 has anoyone of you tried messing around with wpa_supplicant and custom configs yet? Oct 15 13:45:53 I need support for wpa-eap ttls Oct 15 13:46:55 nt4cats: is it working? Oct 15 13:47:20 en0x: that magic tonic of yours is amazing, you fixed it. Oct 15 13:48:04 lol Oct 15 13:48:12 it was probably a glitch of ipkgservice Oct 15 13:48:29 en0x: I was, admittedly, hoping that oil or one of his minions was here so that I/we could figure out why it was 'stuck' ... but I'm sure it'll hang again someday Oct 15 13:48:54 for sure its ipkgservice Oct 15 13:49:01 hunging Oct 15 13:49:09 en0x: hmmm, I didn't poke around the service, but that makes perfect sense Oct 15 14:17:37 guys do anyone do any work on the german or gsm pre? Oct 15 14:19:19 soul: "anyone", yes. I've seen tweets on the @webosinternals feed about it. I'm not sure whether or not any of those "anyones" are logged in here now ... Oct 15 14:23:46 soulofdeath: work? Oct 15 14:24:22 \yes i mean Oct 15 14:24:30 checked it for hack Oct 15 14:24:32 hacks Oct 15 14:24:33 and stuff Oct 15 14:24:41 \we just discovered that the german Oct 15 14:24:57 unlocked pre is actually unlocked but requires an o2 sim to activate Oct 15 14:25:25 and someone said that the "activation through wifi" that is on the internals wiki Oct 15 14:25:27 doesnt work Oct 15 14:25:50 probably because different radio = different api Oct 15 14:26:22 well the problem is with 1.1.2 version that shipped with the pre there Oct 15 14:26:40 the apn settings are only for the german carriers Oct 15 14:26:49 so we cant use it with other sims Oct 15 14:26:51 ah Oct 15 14:26:53 sgood? Oct 15 14:26:54 and probably you are right Oct 15 14:27:01 for the api Oct 15 14:27:24 should be unlockable but would take quite the hackjob Oct 15 14:27:25 but if we manage to go to the code and add the api for other carriers Oct 15 14:27:35 ocne the pre is activated does it allow itself to boot up without the sim inserted? Oct 15 14:27:50 yeah once it is activated Oct 15 14:27:53 any sim can work Oct 15 14:28:12 you just need the gprs connection to activate it and probably signup for the palm profile Oct 15 14:28:18 hrm Oct 15 14:28:32 i'd need an image of the pre to really see what's going on Oct 15 14:28:34 so this guy who was in swtizerland he went to germany bought himself an o2 sim Oct 15 14:28:37 activated it Oct 15 14:28:43 and then inserted his swiss sim Oct 15 14:28:58 the webos doctor is also released Oct 15 14:29:08 i should be getting my pre on the weekend Oct 15 14:29:11 the only crappy thing is whatever patch would be made will be overwritten in future releases of webos because i'm sure o2 wouldn't like that Oct 15 14:29:25 and i will do all sorts of testings for you guys Oct 15 14:29:34 i just need the jars to luna Oct 15 14:29:50 o2 actually said that they dont mind others using it Oct 15 14:29:54 only in germany that is Oct 15 14:30:07 because you can activate it with other carriers in germany Oct 15 14:30:32 the problem is palm didnt include the apn settings for other carriers in the firmware that shipped Oct 15 14:30:56 sucks Oct 15 14:31:09 yeah Oct 15 14:31:16 one guy he is not tech savvy at all though Oct 15 14:31:29 said that the vodafone sim didnt work to activate it Oct 15 14:31:29 Well, for a SIM that already has an APN configured it works Oct 15 14:31:34 (BASE here) Oct 15 14:31:34 and when he went to the o2 store Oct 15 14:32:04 and the o2 guy was wondering why and told him that it should work on any german carrier Oct 15 14:33:48 your help guys will be more than appreciated Oct 15 14:39:34 egaudet: ping Oct 15 14:42:38 good morning Oct 15 14:43:01 Good morning, Georgia Oct 15 14:43:48 wsup wsup Oct 15 16:15:36 Is there a trick to getting the Terminal app working? I installed and it only comes up as a black screen Oct 15 16:15:57 did you install the service first? Oct 15 16:15:59 huh, this is new for me -- Luna says I have too many cards open, and won't let me launch any apps -- but I don't have *any* cards open ;) Oct 15 16:16:06 djk1: remove the terminal app. Remove the terminal service. Install the terminal service. Install the terminal app. Oct 15 16:16:35 jbrett: you've "used up" your pre. I hope you enjoyed it. You'll have to throw it away and get a new one, Oct 15 16:16:46 jbrett: if you mail your "used up" pre to me, I'll recycle it for you Oct 15 16:17:03 lol Oct 15 16:17:05 jbrett: (or I'll use luna manager to reboot luna and then enjoy my cool new pre) Oct 15 16:17:21 nt4cats: well, except that I can't launch luna manager ;) Oct 15 16:17:33 {orange}-{sym}-{R} Oct 15 16:18:20 jbrett: if you want to get really geeky you can ssh into your pre (assuming you've set this up already) and see if you can find the hog ... or you can reset luna from the ssh prompt, too Oct 15 16:18:49 i had a memory leak with tweed Oct 15 16:19:05 took all the ram and was like "too many cards" with only tweed open ;) Oct 15 16:19:06 jb: ... but if you just want to be able to use your phone {orange}-{sym}-{R} and you should be good in about 30-45 seconds. Oct 15 16:19:06 I was just about to plug it in and use novaterm, but {orange}-{sym}-{R} works :) Oct 15 16:19:08 same as sprint nav app Oct 15 16:19:09 ;d Oct 15 16:19:33 * jbrett didn't know about {orange}-{sym}-{R} -- schweet :) Oct 15 16:19:37 I just started using tweed -- sound suspicious ;) Oct 15 16:19:51 next time I'll debug ;) Oct 15 16:19:58 it just happened to me once Oct 15 16:20:00 nt4cats: thx :) Oct 15 16:20:07 jb: np Oct 15 16:20:31 wow, that's freaky. My automatic backup on the Pre last ran on the 29th of last month Oct 15 16:20:33 oh, {orange}-{sym}-{R} is reboot, not stop/start LunaSysMgr? Oct 15 16:20:51 * jbrett didn't really want to reboot, but that's good to know anyway. Oct 15 16:21:01 jb: sorry I could/should have been more clear, that's a reboot. Oct 15 16:21:18 nt4cats: np, I found that out ;) Oct 15 16:22:16 so "you have to many cards open" is Luna-ese for "you're running out of memory, and I don't want to invoke the OOM-killer"? Oct 15 16:29:43 anyone else get a yoyo effect when setting your Pre on the touchstone while the battery is almost full? Oct 15 16:30:00 nt4cats: Thank you that worked Oct 15 16:39:33 alphaone: I've noticed that. The touchstone won't charge it to 100%. Best I've been able to get is ~96%, then it starts yo-yo-ing. Oct 15 16:40:05 I blamed it on my hacked-up power supply, but maybe that's not the problem. Oct 15 16:40:45 jbrett: It seems to work here if I let it charge from a lower capacity Oct 15 16:40:51 Then it goes to 100% Oct 15 16:41:02 But if it's close to 100% it will yoyo here Oct 15 16:41:39 huh. Oct 15 16:47:51 hmm Oct 15 16:48:00 someone say my name here? Oct 15 16:48:46 alphaone: I can't speak for the pre -- but at my former employer we had a custom hardware/software product that involved charging circuitry and associated code. Oct 15 16:48:50 odd i don't see anything yet mirc had the channel flashing haha Oct 15 16:48:56 * jcrawford goes back to work Oct 15 16:49:57 alphaone: that code had some of the craziest logic in it for guessing a %age -- and our hardware and system engineers once explained to me why it was effectively impossible to come up with a real "charge %age" Oct 15 16:51:34 nt4cats: Yeah, I know about general charging problems.. Oct 15 16:51:35 alphaone: I don't know if the battery type and charging technology in the pre is the same as what we were using or not ... but it has made me suspicious of battery charge %ages Oct 15 16:52:47 I suspect the problem here is the inductive charging method used and the detection of the touchstone - maye coupled with a small current being consumed. Oct 15 16:53:21 Since it seems when I'm using wifi (streaming music) the "charging" is more reliable Oct 15 16:53:54 Which probably only means the phone itself draws enough power for the whole thing to work reliable Oct 15 16:57:32 But I don't really know much about the specific technology the touchstone uses so I may be way off here Oct 15 16:59:34 I wish Palm would have made a simple dock/back for the Pre with physical contacts -- it would be so much more reliable than the touchstone. I'd have 4-5 of those. Oct 15 17:00:04 and it wouldn't get so hot while charging, and it wouldn't require a special wall wart, and... Oct 15 17:00:46 Well, it gets hot while charging through the charger as well Oct 15 17:02:33 of course, Palm wouldn't be able to charge ~$80 for one either. Oct 15 17:03:36 does anyone have the link to the page that explains how to edit that binary to enable ip forwarding Oct 15 17:03:38 some Chinese company is bound to come up with a new back/dock like that, and I'll buy a bunch of them as soon as they do ;) Oct 15 17:03:42 or to stop it from being disabled Oct 15 17:15:42 eek, my last automatic backup was on 9/27, glad for precentral's post Oct 15 17:16:54 there is no known fix for this yet right? I just have to backup manually from now on? Oct 15 17:23:12 hello all, I ran EPR but one patch is still showing up: I'm ok with the CLI, but need to know where to look to remove the "flag" file that tells preware it's installed: I've checked and the files it updates are back to default. Oct 15 17:24:44 * jbrett wonders what "backup" even does. I can't find any actual information about *what* it's backing up. Oct 15 17:26:18 jbrett: I don't remember where I saw it, but it backs up 1. What apps you have installed from the catalog (not the apps, but basically a list), 1.2.x now backs up "Linked" accounts, so you don't have to do that again Oct 15 17:26:34 does not back up anything under /media/internal I believe Oct 15 17:27:07 it should backup text messages too Oct 15 17:27:11 flare576: huh, ok. Not very useful then, as I suspected :) Oct 15 17:27:40 en0x: really? Is that new? When I swapped phones I lost all my txts and stuff Oct 15 17:27:43 the first time i doctored i assumed it backed up my new contacts and synched them as well. Oct 15 17:27:43 i.e. it's not backing up anything I couldn't easily recreate or care about losing. Oct 15 17:27:46 turns out it didnt ;x Oct 15 17:28:01 flare576: i mean that the backup app should have the feature to backup text messages :P Oct 15 17:28:21 * jbrett doesn't keep any contacts or calendar items in the "Palm" account. Oct 15 17:28:45 my life belongs to google -- I hope they don't become "evil" ;) Oct 15 17:28:50 i've set them to sync with google Oct 15 17:28:51 en0x: ah, ok. yeah, the backup app is a little lack luster right now. AFAIC, it should basically make an image of your phone except for the /media/internal/ partition. Oct 15 17:28:58 they already arr Oct 15 17:29:09 i like it because if i synch with google i get all my nice calendar events on my igoogle homepage Oct 15 17:29:42 can anyone tell me how PreWare tracks which patches you have installed? Oct 15 17:30:15 flare576: it *should*? Or it *does*? If it *does* just backup / except for /media/internal, that would be awesome. Oct 15 17:30:41 flare576: I thought it just used the ipkg database, but I don't really know. Oct 15 17:32:21 jbrett: "Should" I can guarentee it does not. Oct 15 17:35:11 ah, ok. no surprise then :) Oct 15 17:40:15 uh... /var/etc/ipkg list_installed (as root) yields "Permission denied" Oct 15 17:40:26 if... if root can't do it, who can?! Oct 15 17:42:14 ah... helps to type the right path. /usr/bin != /var/etc/ Oct 15 17:47:11 hrm... I can't find it under /var/usr/palm/applications, no version if ipkg list_installed shows it, the only file I can find that even relates to it is a .patch file I moved to a hidden spot... no idea why Prewre thinks it's still there. Oct 15 17:48:46 has anyone got ipforwarding/nat working over usbnet? Oct 15 17:48:53 with out using mytether? Oct 15 17:54:27 flare576: does preware use quilt to apply patches? Maybe quilt thinks you still have the patch installed? Oct 15 17:54:54 PuffTheMagic: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and some iptables magic? Oct 15 17:55:35 iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE Oct 15 17:55:47 i've done all that Oct 15 17:55:47 note that quilt is cwd-dependent -- it'll give you different answers depending on the directory you run it from (which is great for managing source patches, but makes it a bit scary to use for managing patches to system files ;) Oct 15 17:55:49 Maybe you need to punch some more holes as well, dunno Oct 15 17:55:53 still cant ping google Oct 15 17:56:52 jbrett: no, I believe you were closer when you said it uses ipkg, I know it doesn't use quilt Oct 15 17:58:09 I don't believe it even uses git to pull it's list; dbSooner and egaudet go through hell to get the patches converted to PreWare Oct 15 17:58:29 PuffTheMagic: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p icmp -j ACCEPT Oct 15 17:59:09 flare576: note that if you have set up opware via the webos-internals wiki, you have two ipkg databases -- one managed by ipkg-opt. I dunno if preware is aware of/uses ipkg-opt or not. Oct 15 17:59:15 PuffTheMagic: INPUT is pretty locked down, you'll need to punch holes in there as well Oct 15 17:59:51 jbrett: I'm not 100% sure which ipkg command/db PreWare uses, but I've checked a few :/ Oct 15 17:59:54 im Oct 15 17:59:56 hi Oct 15 18:00:06 s/im/hi Oct 15 18:00:17 ohai egaudet, I was just saying how awesome you are. Oct 15 18:00:21 lol Oct 15 18:00:35 oh gee Oct 15 18:00:55 alphaone: eth0? Oct 15 18:01:04 PuffTheMagic: wifi is eth0 Oct 15 18:01:13 im doing this over usbnet Oct 15 18:01:14 so usb0 Oct 15 18:01:17 maybe you can answer this: PreWare thinks I have a patch installed that I actually do not: I had it installed, but I ran EPR and verified the functionality is no longer there and the code is back to "Normal." What do I have to do to make Preware forget about it? Oct 15 18:01:17 ah Oct 15 18:01:23 then change that accordingly Oct 15 18:01:38 flare576, ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches. Oct 15 18:01:48 did you install that patch with preware? Oct 15 18:01:56 yup Oct 15 18:02:03 interesting Oct 15 18:02:43 omg, so there are *three* ipkg databases to worry about? Oct 15 18:02:56 ? Oct 15 18:03:01 PuffTheMagic: How did you enable usbnet? Oct 15 18:03:43 jbrett: do you mean feeds? Oct 15 18:04:04 egaudet: that did it! You are my hero :D Oct 15 18:04:37 * jbrett needs to read up on what the "-o" option to ipkg does before opening his mouth ;) Oct 15 18:04:56 alphaone: edited usbctrl and force touch /var/gadget/usbnet Oct 15 18:04:58 or what ever the file was Oct 15 18:05:11 i have usb net working Oct 15 18:05:12 i know that Oct 15 18:05:14 i can ssh over it Oct 15 18:05:20 and i have dhcp working from the phone Oct 15 18:05:30 i just cant ping the ppp0 interface Oct 15 18:05:35 or anything on the net Oct 15 18:06:19 egaudet: and re-installing the patch works as well. Thank god, Web OS Doctor scares me for some reason. Oct 15 18:06:20 okay, so that works Oct 15 18:08:24 alphaone: i need to get this working before monday cause i need internet at this conference im going to.... then i need to work on a OSS version of a teather app so people dont have to pay for mytether ;_) Oct 15 18:09:27 PuffTheMagic: But you can ping outside from your pre? Oct 15 18:09:35 Just forwarding doesn't work? Oct 15 18:09:36 yeah of course Oct 15 18:09:46 PuffTheMagic: Tried the icmp rule? Oct 15 18:09:51 yeah i added that Oct 15 18:09:56 whats really good on the pre today? Oct 15 18:10:10 entity-: irc app is in the works :D Oct 15 18:10:20 Look at iptables -t nat -L -vn and iptables -L -vn and see what rule catches the packets Oct 15 18:10:21 yay Oct 15 18:10:29 are you making good progress? Oct 15 18:10:37 alphaone: i will be back in a few, have to pick up a shoe from the repair place Oct 15 18:10:42 okay Oct 15 18:10:59 * jbrett perks up his ears at mention of IRC app! Oct 15 18:11:00 who Oct 15 18:11:04 d'oh! Oct 15 18:11:18 who's working on it? Oct 15 18:11:21 :: sigh:: and now I "update" to 1.2.1... again. Oct 15 18:11:37 Now that I can use UMTS for less than 6EUR / MB I can rename pppd and try myself Oct 15 18:12:03 * jbrett has considered using irssi with the terminal, but not seriously enough to actually do it ;) Oct 15 18:12:25 i jump on there every once and while Oct 15 18:12:32 it works Oct 15 18:12:40 but not nicely Oct 15 18:13:13 i don't know all the key combos Oct 15 18:14:44 I have this bookmarked lol http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Oct 15 18:14:51 on the phone and PC Oct 15 18:15:06 thank god for Sym-I Oct 15 18:15:09 i don't understand it Oct 15 18:15:22 that table? Oct 15 18:15:42 what key to use when Oct 15 18:16:18 Ohhhh, you mean irssi or whatever? I've never used it :( Sadly, the Pre is my first Linux box. Oct 15 18:28:26 THERE'S A BUTTON ON THE HEADPHONES THAT STOPS THE MUSIC PLAYER!!!! Oct 15 18:28:28 woah Oct 15 18:28:32 i just found it, sorry Oct 15 18:28:33 :-) Oct 15 18:28:35 * Mousey lurks moar Oct 15 18:28:40 There's a mic as well Oct 15 18:28:45 yah, use that all the time Oct 15 18:28:48 lol Oct 15 18:28:55 it works with pandora too :) Oct 15 18:28:59 HOLY!!! Oct 15 18:29:06 unfortunately, accuradio ignores it ;) Oct 15 18:29:25 now i can't stop pressing it Oct 15 18:29:51 Mousey: It should work for accepting/hanging up calls as well Oct 15 18:30:01 so awesome headphones Oct 15 18:30:06 * Mousey huggles his pre Oct 15 18:30:47 are these the bluetooth ones from Motorola? I have them too Oct 15 18:31:07 no, the standard earbuds that come with the Pre. Oct 15 18:31:12 oh Oct 15 18:31:15 ^_^ Oct 15 18:31:23 most wired headsets have that Oct 15 18:31:32 I mostly use AccuRadio because it drops out the least, but I wish it would let me skip songs with the headphones and stuff. Oct 15 18:32:02 tlp: A morse command interface? :-) Oct 15 18:32:16 speaking of which, does anyone have a set of earbuds they really like? The Palm ones are very uncomfortable in my ears, and are severely lacking in the bass dept ;) Oct 15 18:32:34 the bluetooth headphones have like 6 buttons Oct 15 18:33:07 I bought a bunch of the $3 jobs from monoprice, and they're nice to leave around everywhere in case I forgot my palm buds, but they certainly don't sound any better ;) Oct 15 18:33:14 previous, next, stop, play (answer/ignore call), volume, power Oct 15 18:33:27 more cooler than the jabra BT8010? i think not Oct 15 18:33:31 tlp: what bluetooth headphones are those? And do all the buttons work with the Pre? Oct 15 18:33:44 jbrett: depends on the app, but yes, they all work Oct 15 18:33:52 whatever Motorola set PreCentral advertises, I forget the model Oct 15 18:33:57 they're like $40 Oct 15 18:34:19 * jbrett goes lookin'.. Oct 15 18:35:43 * jbrett sees http://store.precentral.net/lg-hbs-250-stereo-bluetooth-headset/9A115A5808.htm -- but nothing from Moto, and nothing for $40. Oct 15 18:36:32 ooh, I had to search.. Oct 15 18:36:41 I got mine on Amazon Oct 15 18:36:47 but I read about them via PreCentral Oct 15 18:37:11 tlp: are they the in-canal ones, or the earmuff ones? Oct 15 18:37:12 bt8010 has an LCD, and is also a2dp Oct 15 18:37:20 earmuff ones Oct 15 18:37:36 I don't like the kind that go in my ear. They won't stay in when I exercise anyway. Oct 15 18:37:40 ok, those are kinda cute Oct 15 18:37:41 * jbrett guesses "MOTOROKR S305", in that case. Oct 15 18:37:46 sounds like it Oct 15 18:37:53 link to it and I can confirm Oct 15 18:38:26 http://store.precentral.net/motorola-motorokr-s305-bluetooth-stereo-headphones/9A32A5659.htm Oct 15 18:38:37 tlp: where's the mic? Oct 15 18:39:08 Does anyone have good recommendations for getting bluetooth in my car? I have an AUX-IN cable but would prefer that it's wireless Oct 15 18:39:13 not sure, but it works well enough. I use it to talk all the time. Oct 15 18:39:20 and yes, that's them Oct 15 18:39:48 wow, only 6hr battery life? Oct 15 18:40:06 it charges really fast Oct 15 18:40:14 wwhat device is taht Oct 15 18:40:15 a? Oct 15 18:40:19 I use the Pre's USB charger to charge it Oct 15 18:40:43 tlp: and those stay on while you're exercising? They look like they'd fall off easily. Oct 15 18:41:04 bicycling, yep. I've done 2+ hour rides with them and use them on my commute Oct 15 18:41:47 earbuds always slip out due to sweat, and they hurt my ears Oct 15 18:41:47 have any of you tried the motorokr t505 for the car? or any fm transmitting ones? Oct 15 18:44:06 woohooo! Oct 15 18:44:18 Im trying to get the vnc mozilla plugin working and was wondering if someone can point me to where if anywhere the webkit browser logs to? Oct 15 18:44:39 * dBsooner FINALLY got his exchange cluster VPN setup right so Evolution can connect to the exchange 2007 cluster through MAPI. :D Oct 15 18:45:54 dBsooner Oct 15 18:46:11 sup dog? Oct 15 18:46:40 just got back from meeting with Sprint VP - review of content for Sprint ADC conf presentation. Oct 15 18:46:43 :-) Oct 15 18:46:52 did not screw up. Oct 15 18:50:51 congratulations Rick_work.. Now if only I can score time away.. ;) Oct 15 18:51:11 Rick_work: congrats Oct 15 18:51:17 what kind of conf is that Oct 15 18:51:24 excuse my noobness ont he matter Oct 15 18:52:33 http://sprintadp09.com/sprint_ADP.html Oct 15 18:53:10 grrr i wanna go Oct 15 18:53:17 alphaone: back Oct 15 18:53:37 All palm day 1 Oct 15 18:53:43 Sprint dev's and palm day 2 Oct 15 18:53:51 Webos-internals presention day 3 Oct 15 18:53:55 (that would be me) Oct 15 19:01:13 wow, that's really cool! Apple has an event that invites those that let people modify the core of their phone to have open discussions, right? Oct 15 19:01:36 ;) Oct 15 19:09:05 Congrats Rick - !! We know it will go well if you're speaking there Oct 15 19:21:10 flare576 of course they do Oct 15 19:22:18 and apple has hired well known open source community folks as their community relations managers as well. Oct 15 19:36:34 Rick_work - that link isn't working for me Oct 15 19:37:01 this damn ip_forwarding shit is making pull my hair out Oct 15 19:37:31 freakout try googling sprint open developer conference Oct 15 19:37:37 i lose track. what are you working on now PuffTheMagic? Oct 15 19:37:58 freakout: trying to get NAT/ip forwarding working over usbnet Oct 15 19:38:20 Rick_work: ah, there we go Oct 15 19:38:34 PuffTheMagic: cool Oct 15 19:43:34 PuffTheMagic: how goes this? http://i38.tinypic.com/jrze5g.png Oct 15 19:43:54 what about it Oct 15 19:44:33 letus play with it Oct 15 19:46:09 yes please Oct 15 19:46:11 pretty please Oct 15 19:46:22 with a cherry on top Oct 15 19:46:29 it's such an unbearable tease..... Oct 15 19:47:06 Puffy: Rick says nasty things about you when you're not here. I always stick up for you. You should let me try it first. Oct 15 19:47:07 i will go down on you if i can play with it Oct 15 19:47:08 ;d Oct 15 19:47:26 oooooooooo ick Oct 15 19:47:33 hahaha Oct 15 19:48:14 so this wIRC has never been released? Oct 15 19:48:56 niiiice Oct 15 19:49:02 * loot- boils his eye balls in hydrochloric acid Oct 15 19:49:16 loot-: duuude. ouch. Oct 15 19:49:56 damn work Oct 15 19:49:58 * loot- shakes fist Oct 15 19:50:06 my new cisco ASA 5505 is sitting here Oct 15 19:50:09 and i cant mess with it Oct 15 19:50:10 hey, you could be unemployed! wheee Oct 15 19:50:19 loot: send it here, I'll play with it Oct 15 19:50:31 ena Oct 15 19:50:34 conf t Oct 15 19:50:46 think im paranoid enough... this is my 3rd firewall Oct 15 19:50:50 for my house... Oct 15 19:51:39 linux box router/firewall -> ASA -> linux box router/firewall -> 16 port gigabit managed switch -> wall plates in my house Oct 15 19:51:42 lol Oct 15 19:54:30 hmmm this wIRC looks nice Oct 15 19:54:31 hmm Oct 15 19:55:29 probably better than terminal + irssi Oct 15 19:55:44 for sure Oct 15 19:55:48 thats why i would like to try it Oct 15 19:55:49 ;] Oct 15 19:55:58 3 firewalls for your house? Oct 15 19:59:15 friends, family and public. perfectly reasonable to me :) Oct 15 19:59:22 maybe a 4th for porn Oct 15 19:59:50 if you're into that sort of thing anyway Oct 15 20:00:49 mikewx: there is porn on the Internet ?!?! Oct 15 20:01:04 entity-: yea Oct 15 20:01:05 * gkatsev hums "the internet is for porn" Oct 15 20:01:11 perimeter firewall Oct 15 20:01:17 ASA is a DMZ firewall + vpn devvice Oct 15 20:01:23 nt4cats: you thought marge simpson was doing playboy to increase her image? Oct 15 20:01:27 3rd firewall protects my internal network from the rest of my network Oct 15 20:01:28 :P Oct 15 20:02:09 i have people ssh'ing to my DMZ boxes for development Oct 15 20:02:17 running git/svn out there too on a few boxes Oct 15 20:02:42 plus having site 2 site vpn is spiffy Oct 15 20:13:02 ciscoasa> show version Oct 15 20:13:02 Oct 15 20:13:02 Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance Software Version 7.2(4) Oct 15 20:13:03 Device Manager Version 5.2(4) Oct 15 20:13:04 woot Oct 15 20:13:11 Hardware: ASA5505, 256 MB RAM, CPU Geode 500 MHz Oct 15 20:13:11 Internal ATA Compact Flash, 128MB Oct 15 20:13:11 BIOS Flash M50FW080 @ 0xffe00000, 1024KB Oct 15 20:24:46 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/209357-reward-messaging-search-saving.html Oct 15 20:24:55 lol^ Oct 15 20:32:32 I swear, if I hear any more "Hero" talk in the PreCentral forums I will bust Oct 15 20:33:20 Abyssul: at least twice this week people have come here asking for iPhone help, I've assumed they're trolls ... Oct 15 20:33:22 can we install WebOS on the Hero? Oct 15 20:34:01 I doubt it Mousey lol Oct 15 20:34:12 oh Oct 15 20:34:17 Hardware issues as well as the fact there isn't a gesture area Oct 15 20:34:17 what about the iPhone? it's ARM right? Oct 15 20:34:36 it'd be more than just the CPU Oct 15 20:34:45 Are you serious nt4cats? lol Im sure they were trolls... Oct 15 20:34:55 Did they leave or did they get kicked Oct 15 20:35:04 ignored Oct 15 20:53:58 egaudet: where you at? Oct 15 21:10:16 so, who knows where the Doctor keeps network settings? (ie MMS, Internet yada yada) Oct 15 21:10:49 Eh? Oct 15 21:11:21 Apparently, the German O2 Pre will make voice calls international Oct 15 21:11:27 but won't auto-configure network settings from the SIM Oct 15 21:11:47 So some light hacking will be needed... Oct 15 21:27:57 Too bad the 3g networks aren't compatible at all Oct 15 21:34:44 I have inserted the simcard of T-Mobile DE instead of O2 and it is running on 3G network fine Oct 15 21:36:10 where was the videocam .ipk I heard about a few days back Oct 15 21:36:17 Wasnt it on the canuck feed? Oct 15 21:53:28 German pre hackeers have already done a custom kernal and will be doing the rest pretty quick freakout Oct 15 21:53:30 chrisa: sure they are Oct 15 21:54:05 chrisa: I'm in Oz. Optus (my carrier) supports the same UMTS bands Oct 15 21:54:14 videocam ipk? Oct 15 21:54:15 * Mousey perks up Oct 15 21:54:18 Rick_work: I figured :) Oct 15 21:54:29 Rick_work: But I'd love to give it a go myself, for kicks Oct 15 21:54:35 is a really bad pre pre pre alpha video ipk mousey Oct 15 21:54:41 oh Oct 15 21:54:45 freakout-work: I'm referring to the US Oct 15 21:54:46 * Mousey waits til only pre aplha Oct 15 21:54:51 Rick_work: potentially nothing will be needed for oz anyways, since carrier details for singtel and telstra were found in the system Oct 15 21:54:53 s/apl/alp/ Oct 15 21:54:59 chrisa: yep, sucks to be yank :p Oct 15 21:55:00 I would start at /var/luna/data/ Oct 15 21:55:25 there are some files with carrier network settings Oct 15 21:55:57 nah, I have plenty of toys to play with and I'm a yank Oct 15 21:55:59 izidor: cheers :) Oct 15 21:58:08 We need to work on the video .ipk :p Oct 15 21:58:14 video recording* Oct 15 21:59:27 who has facebook? Oct 15 22:01:32 Aye Oct 15 22:02:21 en0x: do you not have facebook? Oct 15 22:02:43 i dont Oct 15 22:02:44 :) Oct 15 22:02:59 i dont even have a myspace or other crappy social site Oct 15 22:03:57 convince me that i should get a facebook account Oct 15 22:04:16 lol Oct 15 22:04:27 why would you not get one Oct 15 22:05:05 en0x: if you're single.... girls love Facebook ;) Oct 15 22:05:13 i agree on the video recordsing Oct 15 22:05:22 en0x: get a twitter. facebook is for meeting old friends, twitter is for meeting new ones. :) Oct 15 22:05:26 i dont need a facebook to hook up with a girl :) Oct 15 22:05:30 stay away from myspace Oct 15 22:05:35 i got twitter Oct 15 22:05:36 ;) Oct 15 22:05:58 en0x: hey, no one *needs* it. but it doesn't hurt :p Oct 15 22:06:06 plx vdieo records asap Oct 15 22:06:12 :> Oct 15 22:06:14 kk Oct 15 22:06:23 PuffTheMagic: so whats up with the irc app? :> Oct 15 22:06:30 what is up with it Oct 15 22:06:38 i saw a screen Oct 15 22:06:42 yeah Oct 15 22:06:43 is this build working? Oct 15 22:06:43 en0x: then you are fine Oct 15 22:06:54 its some screens Oct 15 22:06:55 thats it Oct 15 22:07:01 i havent started on the service part yet Oct 15 22:07:01 gkatsev: :) Oct 15 22:07:08 just feeding oil ideas for the gui Oct 15 22:07:11 oh i thought that it was working Oct 15 22:07:14 kk Oct 15 22:08:17 when its working you will see it in a feed Oct 15 22:08:48 PuffTheMagic: haven't started yet? well snap to it mate! Oct 15 22:08:52 * freakout-work cracks whip Oct 15 22:08:59 :p Oct 15 22:09:41 freakout-work: the irc lib im trying to use is fairly complex and hard to test with out a gui, so i've convinced oil to get the gui part going first so i can use it to test the service with Oct 15 22:10:54 PuffTheMagic: ahh Oct 15 22:11:07 PuffTheMagic: which lib are you working with? Oct 15 22:32:28 freakout-work: libircclient i want to use Oct 15 22:51:50 where is stored the configuration variable which language was selected during the setup? Oct 15 22:52:15 so if I have stup en_us or en_gb ? Oct 15 23:07:04 * Mousey blames you all Oct 15 23:07:05 http://www.cellular-news.com/story/40054.php Oct 15 23:35:04 Can anyone help me out with this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Keyboard? I installed this keyboard with preware, but in WOQI, it says it's not detected on my device, and I can't change the features on it. Oct 15 23:35:46 Anyone? Oct 15 23:40:13 Hello? Oct 15 23:42:14 Hello? Oct 15 23:42:32 Manifest: no answer means nobody knows, likely :p Oct 15 23:42:47 freakout-work: Heh, how unfortunate. Oct 15 23:42:53 Do you know? Oct 15 23:43:37 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Keyboard. I'm going to install it on the command line, do you think it could hurt anything? Oct 15 23:43:37 'fraid not pardner. Best to ask JayCanuck on the PreCentral forums about WOSQI issues. be gentle, the poor guy's working for free :p Oct 15 23:47:52 freakout-work: do you know where I could get a copy of the virtual keyboard ipk? Oct 15 23:48:27 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard_0.4.2_all.ipk Oct 15 23:48:31 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/ Oct 15 23:49:05 Which one? Oct 15 23:49:09 Oh Oct 15 23:49:12 Lol, nevermind Oct 15 23:50:21 g'day Oct 15 23:51:43 Hello Oct 15 23:53:58 Manifest: best to ask somebody else, although I'll help with what I know ;) Oct 15 23:54:02 Manifest: lol. i'm just a blogger with some minor geek inclinations who hangs out here to get the dirt off the real brains Oct 15 23:54:21 lol. looks like my home connectino is on the fritz Oct 16 00:00:51 you did'teve plug your blog Oct 16 00:04:59 wooooooooooooot Oct 16 00:05:21 i have a way of preventing ip_forward from being set to 0 Oct 16 00:05:39 with out hacking any binaries Oct 16 00:06:16 set a lock with fcntl() Oct 16 00:06:16 :D Oct 16 00:06:35 * freakout-work pats PuffTheMagic on the back Oct 16 00:06:59 freakout-work: im gonna make a new Router app and service for the pre Oct 16 00:07:21 no more myTeather shit Oct 16 00:07:21 s/myTeather/myTether Oct 16 00:07:44 Are you really? Oct 16 00:07:58 no, im lying Oct 16 00:08:02 just felt like saying it Oct 16 00:08:05 :P Oct 16 00:08:05 ;) Oct 16 00:08:12 * kesne hugs PuffTheMagic Oct 16 00:08:53 In a guy-hug way Oct 16 00:08:55 nothing more Oct 16 00:08:58 lol Oct 16 00:09:11 What will it do? Oct 16 00:10:17 well the service part will lock writes on /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and then set it to 1 Oct 16 00:10:27 and handle the setting of iptables rules Oct 16 00:10:42 and configuring ip addresses for the bt/wifi/usb Oct 16 00:10:54 what ever needed to get nat/ip_forwarding working Oct 16 00:11:02 and the gui part will be the gui part to all of that Oct 16 00:12:32 and if there are feature requests start telling me Oct 16 00:14:12 sounds dope Oct 16 00:14:32 whats eta on first wirc release Oct 16 00:15:55 PuffTheMagic: that's freaking great Oct 16 00:16:30 PuffTheMagic: feature request: traffic counter for Pre's cellular radio, in general Oct 16 00:17:09 lkike bandiwdth monitor? Oct 16 00:19:49 sure Oct 16 00:20:01 that can be done Oct 16 00:20:03 alrhough Oct 16 00:20:24 that functionality was gonna go into ubermonitor Oct 16 00:20:37 but Oct 16 00:20:46 i guess 2 guis could use the uberservice Oct 16 00:20:50 to get that info :D Oct 16 00:22:12 when is ubermonitor hitting? Oct 16 00:23:27 well now that oil has a big chunk of the initial wIRC gui done i need to get him wIRCd asap Oct 16 00:23:57 and i might try to get a release of this router app/service thing out this weekend Oct 16 00:24:09 nice Oct 16 00:24:15 when will wirc hit Oct 16 00:24:16 so after a release of wIRCd is out i will probably get back to the ubermonitor Oct 16 00:24:19 nfc Oct 16 00:24:27 im going to a conference next week Oct 16 00:24:38 so i prob wont do any work on it for 5 days Oct 16 00:24:48 rwhitby, ping Oct 16 00:24:55 i'd say you will have an IRC client before the end of the month though Oct 16 00:28:38 * freakout-work changes nick to rwhitby Oct 16 00:28:46 how can i help you with my awesome brain zsoc Oct 16 00:29:12 lol\ Oct 16 00:30:18 freakout-work, tell me about how i can use ipkg to download a library and _not_ install it, but unpackage it into a targeted directly for later mving Oct 16 00:32:08 * freakout-work facepalms Oct 16 00:32:45 freakout-work: a library? Oct 16 00:32:53 PuffTheMagic, perl Oct 16 00:33:01 from optware feed? Oct 16 00:33:05 yes Oct 16 00:33:21 ipkg download Oct 16 00:33:24 ;) Oct 16 00:33:39 ... are you serious? Oct 16 00:34:09 ipkg --help Oct 16 00:34:13 if u dont believe me Oct 16 00:34:13 lol i hate you Oct 16 00:34:28 PuffTheMagic, what's the best way to extract an ipk on x86? Oct 16 00:34:34 ar x Oct 16 00:34:37 ar x Oct 16 00:34:45 then u need to do Oct 16 00:34:50 tar xvf data.tar.gz Oct 16 00:35:24 ty Oct 16 00:35:33 PuffTheMagic, and the question i know i'm going to have Oct 16 00:35:48 mv to move files Oct 16 00:35:50 ;) Oct 16 00:35:55 what makes portage thing you already have a dependency? Oct 16 00:36:05 s/thing/think Oct 16 00:36:06 think? Oct 16 00:36:10 yah Oct 16 00:36:29 will it recognize it just by search the libs? Oct 16 00:36:38 s/search/searching Oct 16 00:36:55 /etc/portage/profile/package.provided Oct 16 00:36:58 man portage Oct 16 00:37:05 ty Oct 16 00:38:41 is there a way to extract rars and zips in term? Oct 16 00:39:14 oh frak, i'm going to have to drop my alias Oct 16 00:39:23 * PuffTheMagic goes to drink beer and play pool Oct 16 00:39:40 enjoy PuffTheMagic, wish i was there Oct 16 00:39:44 entity-, uh... man rar? Oct 16 00:39:54 * zsoc just drinks beer Oct 16 00:40:01 * zsoc and plays vidya games Oct 16 00:40:11 is it already there? Oct 16 00:40:21 or do i need to get it from optrwarter Oct 16 00:40:24 entity-, define 'there', because i don't know you're environment Oct 16 00:40:27 oh, on the pre? Oct 16 00:40:53 yes dawg Oct 16 00:41:06 yeah unrar is in the optware repo Oct 16 00:41:24 and so is unzip Oct 16 00:43:23 sick dawg thnx Oct 16 00:48:00 rwhitby, is it possible a lib extracts to /opt simply because it's in the optware repos, or does it probably belong there? I understand ld is going to figure out where it is anyway, sort of, i'm just worried about where to put it Oct 16 01:05:42 zsoc: all optware stuff installs under /opt by design Oct 16 01:06:42 where the opt in optware comes from? Oct 16 01:09:08 rwhitby, so... /opt/bin belongs in /usr/bin and /opt/lib belongs in /usr/lib? Oct 16 01:16:19 no, the things stay in /opt Oct 16 01:18:44 hi. i'm trying to use palm-install under windows for a while, but I can't get it running. i activated devmode and installed novacom for 64 bit and i tried some restarts, too, but novacom -l doesn't show me the connected phone Oct 16 01:18:58 so /opt/bin and /opt/sbin are added to the path, and executables in those areas link against libraries in /opt/lib using -rpath at compile time Oct 16 01:19:00 oil: the opt comes from /opt which was an early decision in the nslu2-linux.org project as a top-level directory that vendors do not usually use (mainly cause the linux reference designs that the vendors use don't use /opt) Oct 16 01:20:35 rwhitby, i'm just confused.. how does ld know to check in /opt for.. anything? Oct 16 01:20:40 rwhitby: yeah, i figured Oct 16 01:25:47 my driver is running: the moment i plug the phone, a "Palm Novacom Module" do appear. But why isn't it listet in the novacom device list? Oct 16 01:26:54 zsoc: at compile time, a library path is compiled into the executable Oct 16 01:28:14 rwhitby, i feel i'm missing fundimental knowledge. I'm not quite sure how a script (whether it be autotools or a package's configure) knows to check /opt/ for available libraries Oct 16 01:28:57 zsoc: it doesn't unless you tell it to Oct 16 01:29:12 rwhitby, gotcha Oct 16 01:29:25 I suppose that's a research job for me? Or is it simpler than that? Oct 16 01:39:01 hello everoyne. Oct 16 01:39:18 sup Dec Oct 16 01:39:29 egaudet: ping Oct 16 01:39:46 AnOutsider: whats uppp? Oct 16 01:40:13 nothin much man, whats up over there Oct 16 01:40:39 nothing, just downloaded a buncha movies totally legally to put on my my zune, gonna go to bed soon. Oct 16 01:40:53 our last marching band show is tomorrow, im happy thats done with. Oct 16 01:41:13 totally legally Oct 16 01:41:22 for sure. Oct 16 01:52:10 msg PuffTheMagic and i even went as far as to symlink /opt/lib to /usr/arm.../usr/lib and /opt/bin to /usr/arm.../usr/bin Oct 16 01:52:16 That worked well, clearly. Oct 16 01:52:28 * zsoc drinks less Oct 16 01:53:07 I'm glad I didn't mess up the first one. That would have been embarrassing. Oct 16 01:54:16 * oil wonders what hte first /msg was now Oct 16 01:54:31 You'll never know. Would have been _super_ embarrassing tho. no joke Oct 16 01:54:43 Also, it helps if I put files in _their correct locations_ for them to work Oct 16 01:56:57 rwhitby: you still gone? Oct 16 02:39:53 hmm Oct 16 02:40:15 irssi looks crap in terminal Oct 16 02:40:33 lol Oct 16 02:40:35 oh well Oct 16 02:42:06 you haven't seen the non-functional-gui-teaser? Oct 16 02:42:37 http://i38.tinypic.com/jrze5g.png Oct 16 02:46:21 Woo! Web Services! http://developer.keen-studios.net/?p=20 Oct 16 02:46:44 oil: looks good Oct 16 02:47:22 +oil: sexy~ Oct 16 02:47:47 wirk oO sounds like work Oct 16 02:47:52 lol Oct 16 02:48:40 I guess the w is for webos Oct 16 02:49:21 right Oct 16 02:49:53 send me the ipk to so I can beta test ^^ Oct 16 02:50:38 its just the mojo Oct 16 02:50:45 there is no service yet Oct 16 02:52:36 alright then, looks great Oct 16 02:52:43 lol Oct 16 02:52:49 when its out, people will know :) Oct 16 02:53:24 I figure Oct 16 02:53:32 off to bed Oct 16 02:53:39 later everyone Oct 16 02:53:46 later **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 16 02:59:57 2009