**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 22 02:59:56 2009 Oct 22 03:01:46 heh, I try to load a pdf from a html and pre seemd halt before something appeard in the card and then told me memory critical and close some card (but only one card) Oct 22 03:02:03 lol Oct 22 03:02:12 they need to get rid of all the shitty java services Oct 22 03:02:16 java uses so much damn memory Oct 22 03:02:30 yeah , get rid of all java shit Oct 22 03:02:44 the system do not responsive Oct 22 03:03:33 LunaSysMgr takes ~33% Oct 22 03:03:39 but i know thats not java Oct 22 03:03:52 java for me right now is 14% Oct 22 03:04:06 but its not doing anything that special right this second Oct 22 03:04:13 if i start using the mail app then that will spike up Oct 22 03:04:40 the mail app seems so flakey to me, i just get the feeling i'm never updated Oct 22 03:05:49 PuffTheMagic_: I replace with a small size .pdf , the browser load it but works wrong, it show the raw bytes of the file , Oct 22 03:05:55 punzada: its a piece of shit Oct 22 03:06:00 punzada: it loads max 1000 messages Oct 22 03:06:07 after that u get no more mail Oct 22 03:06:20 wtf is with palm and the arbitrary limits Oct 22 03:06:23 they need an ass kicking for that Oct 22 03:06:32 seriously Oct 22 03:06:45 palm... remove heads from asses please Oct 22 03:07:09 lol Oct 22 03:07:23 or just open up everything this for us so we can do it properly ;) Oct 22 03:07:36 that I wouldn't mind. Oct 22 03:08:45 arise chicken, arise Oct 22 03:08:51 /athf reference Oct 22 03:09:13 PuffTheMagic_: I agree Oct 22 03:09:16 punzada, don't even start with me. the cam driver is full of arbitrary garbage :< Oct 22 03:09:20 I am jumping ship this weekend Oct 22 03:09:35 Eguy, coincidence, me as well Oct 22 03:09:36 So I've read Oct 22 03:10:07 btw xmini-max portable speakers are fantastic for the pre. Oct 22 03:10:43 Palm just keeps shooting their feet, I am waiting for them to shoot themselves in the head... Pixi is for that I suppose..probably make it too expensive Oct 22 03:11:00 I think the pixi is ugly as sin. Oct 22 03:11:00 jumping ship?? really? to what? Oct 22 03:11:20 Back to my Centro...It's the only Sprint phone I have Oct 22 03:11:28 I'll have the pre until my contract is up, we'll have to see the state of webos at that point if I continue with the platform Oct 22 03:11:32 And it works unlike webOS Oct 22 03:11:47 Eguy: what are you missing that is critical? Oct 22 03:11:54 speed Oct 22 03:12:29 is the calendar still driving you nuts? Oct 22 03:12:41 Yes Oct 22 03:12:44 I only have maybe 3/4 things a week in there so it's not bad for me Oct 22 03:13:03 calandar app is java too i beleive Oct 22 03:13:06 you know... Oct 22 03:13:14 all these java apps are decomplied to plain text Oct 22 03:13:23 Everything not just the calendar app Oct 22 03:13:23 they should be fairly easy to port to C Oct 22 03:13:42 Eguy: camera has no lag.... which the iphone does Oct 22 03:13:51 that would be hilarious, a c rewrite of palm's services Oct 22 03:13:54 Oh yeah....woopdie doo Oct 22 03:13:55 :P Oct 22 03:13:58 lol Oct 22 03:14:00 PuffTheMagic_: now seems you need to convert all pdfs to htmls , hah Oct 22 03:14:25 Camera, Web, Screen. Only things better than my Centro Oct 22 03:14:29 Eguy: i guess i havent really tried being that "productive" on the pre yet Oct 22 03:14:35 im coming from a non-smart phone Oct 22 03:14:42 and only been using it as a toy Oct 22 03:14:48 besides from phone calls and text messages Oct 22 03:14:51 toy...you mean iPhone? :D Oct 22 03:14:53 and the camera Oct 22 03:15:07 i havent bothered using the calendar much yet Oct 22 03:15:18 Don't bother Oct 22 03:15:21 mine has been keeping me organized, as well as wasting time on facebook and twitter which I never used to do Oct 22 03:15:29 damn social networking crack on my portable Oct 22 03:15:43 Eguy: have you tried just using mobile google calendard Oct 22 03:15:46 The Pre 2 will be out by the time your calendar loads Oct 22 03:15:50 i like the google mail mobile interface Oct 22 03:16:01 I have used it but I shouldn't have to when I paid $300 Oct 22 03:16:07 i keep calendar open, and it loads my events just fine Oct 22 03:16:22 hmmm Oct 22 03:16:26 i wonder if palm does that too Oct 22 03:16:31 Right now I am getting about $10 worth Oct 22 03:17:42 Eguy: im getting a lot out of it cause its a linux device in my palm, something that i have been dying for for a long time Oct 22 03:17:58 is andriod as laggy as it appears on all the videos I see? it just looks like that would drive me nuts Oct 22 03:18:07 You would think it would be GREAT right? Oct 22 03:18:08 android even Oct 22 03:18:22 * zsoc shrugs Oct 22 03:18:24 I love my pre Oct 22 03:18:25 I have used a mytouch 3G...it is as miserable as the Pre Oct 22 03:18:31 punzada: all android devices seem to use last-gen hardware Oct 22 03:18:40 Not the Hero and Droid Oct 22 03:18:41 ah Oct 22 03:18:45 5MP camera Oct 22 03:18:50 all the radios Oct 22 03:18:58 crappy os Oct 22 03:18:59 :P Oct 22 03:19:00 hero is not my hero Oct 22 03:19:01 MP doesn't mean anything cept for larger crappy pictures Oct 22 03:19:08 none of these cells have decent lenses Oct 22 03:19:09 lol Oct 22 03:19:09 haha Oct 22 03:19:24 sensors you mean Oct 22 03:19:24 i think the photo quality on the pre is pretty damn good Oct 22 03:19:31 extended depth of field ftw Oct 22 03:19:36 Yeah for what it is, the Pre takes great pics Oct 22 03:19:39 * oil hacks lense into backcover Oct 22 03:19:51 does cortex-a9 will solve the performance issue? Oct 22 03:20:08 performance issue of what? Oct 22 03:20:18 software Oct 22 03:20:21 im pretty sure all "issues" on the pre are memory related Oct 22 03:20:24 and not cpu related Oct 22 03:20:35 Pre needs to be less dependent on data IMO Oct 22 03:20:47 Yeah with luna using 200mb of ram it is hogging it all Oct 22 03:21:05 Eguy: +1 on the data Oct 22 03:21:06 * oil wonders if eguy bought that $50 app Oct 22 03:21:16 hahaha oil Oct 22 03:21:18 lol Oct 22 03:21:19 which app is 50? Oct 22 03:21:25 a fucking dictionary Oct 22 03:21:28 lol Oct 22 03:21:28 o.O Oct 22 03:21:30 wow Oct 22 03:21:31 lol Oct 22 03:21:33 And it is only like 90kb Oct 22 03:21:36 a french-english medical thing Oct 22 03:21:36 yeah Oct 22 03:21:38 So all data needed Oct 22 03:21:39 so it uses the internets Oct 22 03:21:44 isn't that just exploiting the stupid? lol Oct 22 03:21:46 rediculous Oct 22 03:21:48 its crazy Oct 22 03:21:48 lame Oct 22 03:21:52 that was one of hte new apps today Oct 22 03:22:05 that and like 10 other $20 translators Oct 22 03:22:07 from the same company Oct 22 03:22:12 If someone buys they they deserve a mental hospital cell Oct 22 03:22:35 s/they/that/ Oct 22 03:22:36 Eguy meant: If someone buys that they deserve a mental hospital cell Oct 22 03:22:54 atleast it didn't change it to that that Oct 22 03:23:06 haha Oct 22 03:29:09 Eguy: you give me a week or so to try porting the calendar and mail service to C Oct 22 03:29:13 before u ditch your pre Oct 22 03:29:33 Eguy: but if you are really gonna ditch it, send it this way Oct 22 03:32:06 now a week of porting to c? Oct 22 03:32:18 oil: no way Oct 22 03:32:23 lol Oct 22 03:32:25 it shouldnt thake long at all Oct 22 03:32:29 i dont have to create a service Oct 22 03:32:34 its already written Oct 22 03:32:41 just have to replicate function in C Oct 22 03:32:46 things just keep getting in the way Oct 22 03:32:50 haha I am not ditching it Oct 22 03:32:59 I am just not going to use it until it is usable Oct 22 03:33:04 Probably 2.0 Oct 22 03:33:19 oil: i didnt say i was gonna do that before wIRCd Oct 22 03:33:26 lol Oct 22 03:33:47 oil: you need to add a feature to prevent the phone from going to sleep while the gui is open Oct 22 03:33:58 cause it would really suck to get disconnected every 1 min Oct 22 03:34:02 or 30s Oct 22 03:34:04 Definitely should not have been released at this state. It is buggier than a windows alpha Oct 22 03:34:21 The app catalog isn't the only beta product in webOS Oct 22 03:34:33 The launcher should say beta on it too Oct 22 03:34:40 the only way is com.palm Oct 22 03:34:40 Eguy: Palm ME Oct 22 03:34:40 oil: nope Oct 22 03:34:40 C services and be on public and private bus at the same time Oct 22 03:34:41 :D Oct 22 03:34:44 oil: i can make a relay call Oct 22 03:34:51 hehe Palm ME Oct 22 03:35:01 so u can call my service and the service can make the call to keep it awake Oct 22 03:35:05 well then, you need to add a feature to prevent the phone from going to sleep Oct 22 03:35:08 and ill call it Oct 22 03:35:19 will do Oct 22 03:35:20 * zsoc finds the majority of webos users like their device Oct 22 03:35:27 add the feature in menu or something Oct 22 03:35:31 turned that one around quickly Oct 22 03:35:31 10/22 in some places....lets see how well 7 sells, I would imagine quite well Oct 22 03:35:32 or Oct 22 03:35:36 never mind Oct 22 03:35:40 it probably would never be toggled Oct 22 03:35:56 zsoc: 100% of iPhone users are obsessed ;) Oct 22 03:36:00 well there is a difference between having it up and not wanting the screen to go to sleep while you're typing Oct 22 03:36:09 Eguy: all windows productes sell well regardless of suckyness Oct 22 03:36:23 i can stop the phone from going to sleep for 15 mins at a time Oct 22 03:36:26 and all have a high level of suckyness Oct 22 03:36:26 Although that is attributed to the chemicals on the shell which brainwash you Oct 22 03:36:45 Eguy, yes, people are obsessed, but they hate their devices :P Oct 22 03:36:50 Win 7 certainly has a hell of a lot less suckyness than before Oct 22 03:36:56 lol Oct 22 03:37:01 Eguy: i thought it was from brain damage cause by iphone users sniffing each others farts Oct 22 03:37:13 * oil finds it funny they made their way back to version numbers Oct 22 03:37:15 "Have you seen the crazy stuff my iphone does?",... "uh, so that means you like it?, "No I hate this phone.. BUT HAVE YOU SEEN THIS?!?!" Oct 22 03:37:21 Eguy: windows 7 is kde4 in a microsoft box Oct 22 03:37:23 Nah it is from their heads shoved up Jobs' ass Oct 22 03:37:30 PuffTheMagic_: that's pushing it. Oct 22 03:37:32 lol. Oct 22 03:37:43 I'm a FOSS whore and I even think that's pushing it. Oct 22 03:37:44 zsoc: yes! Oct 22 03:37:49 i dont think linux will ever have the ease of use that windows has Oct 22 03:37:55 punzada: right... kde4 w/ activeX and viruses Oct 22 03:37:58 never Oct 22 03:37:58 lol Oct 22 03:38:00 because if it does, it won't be as nice and powerful as linux Oct 22 03:38:09 Linux will always be too complicated for n00bies Oct 22 03:38:10 oil: yeah it will Oct 22 03:38:11 oil ease of use > windows Oct 22 03:38:14 see ubuntu Oct 22 03:38:15 already Oct 22 03:38:17 ive used it Oct 22 03:38:18 its done wonders Oct 22 03:38:21 its still not as easy Oct 22 03:38:23 it's just "different" Oct 22 03:38:41 different is scary Oct 22 03:38:42 if dell and other oems ship ubuntu now that proves linux has devent ease of use Oct 22 03:38:51 lol Oct 22 03:38:55 only on netbooks Oct 22 03:38:56 Eguy: i tried using a mac today Oct 22 03:38:58 I know many (even older) people who use ubuntu and are not computer geniuses Oct 22 03:38:59 stupid dell Oct 22 03:39:00 even though 50% of the orders get returned Oct 22 03:39:01 and wated to shoot my self Oct 22 03:39:06 i built gtk libs on dfbadapter, the gtk apps basically can run. the apps always have bigger window size the pre screen , so I want to add gesture support behaving just like the browser (scrolling and scaling), I find how to do get the gesture event for scale (2 finger to scale). any one know how to detect the "scroll" event from mojo? Oct 22 03:39:06 Eguy: no its on desktops too Oct 22 03:39:06 because the user didn't know they selected linux Oct 22 03:39:11 PuffTheMagic_: Macs are retarded Oct 22 03:39:11 and just liked the cheaper price Oct 22 03:39:11 but yes LOTs of netbooks Oct 22 03:39:14 My mother uses ubuntu, she loves it. Large icons for solitare, firefox, calculator and full HP printer support. It's the perfect OS for her. Oct 22 03:39:18 till they started it up and was like "this isn't windows!" Oct 22 03:39:23 "why wont my apps install" Oct 22 03:39:25 lol oil Oct 22 03:39:28 true Oct 22 03:39:28 ameng, i wish i knew the answer to that Oct 22 03:39:38 Dell is charging a premium for win 7 today Oct 22 03:39:46 like $30 more Oct 22 03:39:47 ameng, check with the terminal application? it can detect gestures Oct 22 03:39:58 ameng: that should be another hook in the plugin Oct 22 03:40:09 ameng: yeah what bpadalino said Oct 22 03:40:17 ameng: you need a scroller widget Oct 22 03:40:17 no Oct 22 03:40:19 PuffTheMagic_, you know anything about the file indexer? Oct 22 03:40:33 file indexer? Oct 22 03:40:35 of what? Oct 22 03:40:50 universal search does so little it doesn't need one XD Oct 22 03:40:50 you want to detect scroll from mojo use the dragStart, dragging and dragEnd events Oct 22 03:40:52 can it detect the scroll direction Oct 22 03:40:55 ? Oct 22 03:41:12 PuffTheMagic_, er.. the thing the mediaserver uses, or whatever the hook it that decides what files get loaded into music player / photo roll / video player Oct 22 03:41:14 egaudet: those events from the scroller widget though i beleive Oct 22 03:41:22 PuffTheMagic_, no Oct 22 03:41:29 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/190937-dot-game-9.html#post1990611 Oct 22 03:41:34 they are mojo events any target can listen to Oct 22 03:41:37 thats even taking the auntminnie analogy too far Oct 22 03:41:47 ameng: i still think we should just listen to /dev files directly Oct 22 03:41:52 /dev/touchscreen :D Oct 22 03:41:59 oil: that is amazing Oct 22 03:42:06 we need a new name Oct 22 03:42:07 like Oct 22 03:42:08 retard roger Oct 22 03:42:10 or something Oct 22 03:42:15 aunt minnie is too lite Oct 22 03:42:25 dumbass dolly Oct 22 03:42:27 more like it Oct 22 03:42:30 nice Oct 22 03:42:41 and yes the dragging event gives positions I believe Oct 22 03:42:45 "STFU" Oct 22 03:42:48 PuffTheMagic_: now the gesturestart , gesturechange and gestureend events we can only get from webkit Oct 22 03:42:55 STFU Steve? Oct 22 03:43:27 RTFM Randy? Oct 22 03:43:29 PuffTheMagic_: can not from /dev/*input* Oct 22 03:43:33 nice Oct 22 03:43:40 ROFFLE Robert Oct 22 03:43:50 LOL Loretta Oct 22 03:44:00 LMAO Larry Oct 22 03:44:04 event.move.x Oct 22 03:44:10 Eguy, crap, I ACTUALLY HAD THAT TYPED OUT Oct 22 03:44:17 Win! Oct 22 03:44:18 name and all :( Oct 22 03:44:27 ameng:the gestures from webkit are derrived from the /dev files Oct 22 03:44:49 which get parsed by hidd Oct 22 03:44:54 then transmitted to luna Oct 22 03:44:56 I feel rod telekenetically hurting me as he reads these backlogs Oct 22 03:45:07 so we "should" be able to bypass all of that stuff Oct 22 03:45:19 zsoc: haha Oct 22 03:45:20 zsoc: yes Oct 22 03:45:30 I just got 50k volts Oct 22 03:46:04 lol Oct 22 03:46:05 you mean multitouch handled first in hidd? Oct 22 03:46:13 rwhitby: you are now a jedia master i guess Oct 22 03:46:29 PuffTheMagic_, crap don't ping him, now he's actually going to read it :P Oct 22 03:46:42 He is facepalming right now Oct 22 03:46:53 zsoc: rwhitby is always reading the backlogs Oct 22 03:46:58 he does not exist in realtime Oct 22 03:47:04 lol Oct 22 03:47:20 ameng: yes i beleive hidd all input info comes from hidd Oct 22 03:47:26 he's a composite manifestation of our past conversation Oct 22 03:47:54 ameng: there is already a directfb library for hidd integration Oct 22 03:48:15 so if you can rebuild your libs for 1.1 instead of 1.2 we could probably use it Oct 22 03:48:29 but after looking the webcore code , I think it handled in webkit Oct 22 03:48:34 maybe strace the classic app to get some ideas how Oct 22 03:49:36 ameng: what else could /usr/lib/directfb-1.1-0/inputdrivers/libdirectfb_hidd_input.so be for? Oct 22 03:55:50 worth to try Oct 22 03:56:02 just wanted to hop in and say I successfully resized my /var partition and am loving Fairdinkum: thanks to all who helped with both :) Oct 22 03:56:50 flare576, it's actually all rod. even when someone elses name is on a tut or listed as a maintainer, it's just an alias of his, even i'm rod. Oct 22 03:56:57 flare576, in fact, you might be too Oct 22 03:57:03 shhh Oct 22 03:57:10 you break the illusion Oct 22 03:58:18 donno if "diomark" is his name in here or only on the forums, but without his guide I'd have probably destroyed my filesystem :) Oct 22 04:01:53 * freakout is rwhitby too Oct 22 04:02:06 * Eguy is eguy whitby Oct 22 04:03:07 hey freakout-away. Lookin' good there man Oct 22 04:03:30 multiple personality disorder you have Oct 22 04:04:33 ameng: webcore probably links to directfb i would imagine Oct 22 04:04:45 so websore probably gets all its input info from that hidd plugin Oct 22 04:05:09 * rwhitby sighs Oct 22 04:06:33 rwhitby: is that a realtime sigh? Oct 22 04:06:41 rwhitby: or are you reading backlogs? Oct 22 04:06:48 I'll tell you when I read this in the backlogs Oct 22 04:06:57 nice Oct 22 04:06:57 lol Oct 22 04:07:21 oil: remember that re-arrangement of stages I was going to do? I've done it, and I must say it looks good. Oct 22 04:07:25 lol Oct 22 04:07:36 re-arrangement of stages? Oct 22 04:07:41 * Eguy thinks rwhitby is going to make this a moderated room :P Oct 22 04:07:56 w-i is an epicenter smartasses Oct 22 04:08:40 rwhitby, i keep telling them not to ding you, no one listens to me. oh. wait. CRAP. Oct 22 04:09:54 * freakout thinks rwhitby likes the attention Oct 22 04:10:11 rwhitby. Hey rwhitby. Rwhitby? RWHITBY!!! Oct 22 04:10:12 well thats why he keeps posting pictures of himself in short shorts Oct 22 04:10:25 lolol Oct 22 04:10:32 such an attention whore Oct 22 04:10:34 you're lucky I can't access facebook at work oil Oct 22 04:10:39 l0ol Oct 22 04:10:46 oh, fat-fintered the 0 there Oct 22 04:10:49 oil: ipkservice now removes the package if the user cancels or the post-install fails Oct 22 04:10:52 then mesed up spelling finger Oct 22 04:10:57 yes, because you were so excited thinking about my pics oil Oct 22 04:10:58 and messed up spelling messed Oct 22 04:11:01 maybe ill stop tryping Oct 22 04:11:05 rwhitby: thats good Oct 22 04:11:05 lol Oct 22 04:11:52 oil, are you making fish puns on purpose? D: Oct 22 04:11:57 what's the best pastebin for images? Oct 22 04:12:17 egaudet: ping Oct 22 04:12:32 i just realized i spelt typing wrong Oct 22 04:12:38 no, it wasn't on purpose zsoc Oct 22 04:12:41 PuffTheMagic_, pong Oct 22 04:12:58 egaudet: i have a modification i need/want for you to make to automatch Oct 22 04:12:59 oil: which image pastebin do you use? Oct 22 04:13:08 tinypic usually? Oct 22 04:13:23 omploader ftw! Oct 22 04:13:52 you want me to go and create automatch first? Oct 22 04:14:15 :P what's the modification? Oct 22 04:14:18 s/match/patch/ Oct 22 04:14:27 oil: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2pzxt1x&s=4 Oct 22 04:14:49 that's the stage rearrangement Oct 22 04:15:43 are you just reordering it in preware? or did you change what the service is saying? Oct 22 04:15:51 egaudet: detect when patch thinks that a patch is already applied (like when it prompts you to -R it), and then do a dry run of -R, and if that succeeds, do a "fake" install to that ipkg/preware thinks it is installed Oct 22 04:16:00 egaudet: instead of failing Oct 22 04:16:13 oil: changed what the service is doing. no change to preware. Oct 22 04:16:36 PuffTheMagic_, for what case? Oct 22 04:16:42 http://tinypic.com/print.php?pic=2pzxt1x&s=4 Oct 22 04:16:43 lolol Oct 22 04:17:04 egaudet: for the case that a patch is already applied for some reason but ipkg does not realize Oct 22 04:17:29 egaudet: so ipkg can become aware that its installed Oct 22 04:17:33 and then removed via preware Oct 22 04:17:36 or updated Oct 22 04:18:54 It will hide situations of old feed patch installed, (thus 2 packages installed for same patch). Also this situation doesn't occur normally unless you do a partial erase or manually remove the ipkg Oct 22 04:19:37 oh and you can currently get the "fake" install by hitting cancel when confirmation pops up Oct 22 04:19:52 and then reload feeds restart preware Oct 22 04:20:13 rwhitby: give me a link of the FSO pre guys mail list Oct 22 04:20:15 Howabout the issue where Update doesn't work unless app is focused? Oct 22 04:20:18 fine dont add it Oct 22 04:21:20 I'm not saying it wouldn't be good to add it, just thinking Oct 22 04:21:49 and I thought you wanted me to stop messing with patches :P Oct 22 04:22:08 I need a new userland from you at some point btw Oct 22 04:23:16 egaudet: yeah i figured you would never stop with patches so i may as well feed your more shit to do Oct 22 04:23:37 egaudet: im gonna start working on a more unified userland based on openembedded Oct 22 04:23:44 lol I haven't touched patches in over a week! Oct 22 04:24:06 Although I haven't had time for any webos development at all lately :( Oct 22 04:24:07 you have been sick Oct 22 04:24:42 let's not bring up reasons :p Oct 22 04:25:21 alright well I gotta get some sleep Oct 22 04:26:31 im out for a little bit, be back in a few days Oct 22 04:26:45 can i watch tv on the pre yet? Oct 22 04:26:49 or is that not ready Oct 22 04:26:51 zsoc: later Oct 22 04:27:12 like more than 2min clips Oct 22 04:28:02 PuffTheMagic_: it is but only the Japanese Pre Oct 22 04:28:22 freakout: wtf Oct 22 04:28:45 i;ve been downloading NCIS for the past 2 hours on my pre Oct 22 04:28:54 its like 100 degress Oct 22 04:29:11 evdo data usage seems to turn up the heat Oct 22 04:30:01 lol Oct 22 04:30:08 Torrent PuffTheMagic_ ? Oct 22 04:30:16 PuffTheMagic_: which client? Oct 22 04:31:39 usenet/.hellanzb Oct 22 04:33:45 i almost got 2000 points on prejeweled on the plane ride down to tx Oct 22 04:33:59 on 8x8@8 Oct 22 04:36:52 you are a demon puff Oct 22 04:40:16 freakout: naa i just had 2 bad ass games in a row Oct 22 04:40:24 set my high score to ~1500 Oct 22 04:40:29 previous was like 800 Oct 22 04:40:35 then i almost hit 2000 Oct 22 04:41:04 guess thats what happens when u sit on a plane at the gate for 3 hours as they try to fix a fuel leak Oct 22 04:45:59 * freakout hates air travel Oct 22 04:47:28 ameng: freesmartphone.org, Oct 22 04:47:57 ameng: but for Pre-specific stuff, they are using our webos-internals google group mailing list Oct 22 04:48:29 * Eguy loves flying Oct 22 04:50:02 PuffTheMagic_: alphaone and mickey|zzZZzz are OE experts ... Oct 22 04:50:10 (in .eu timezones) Oct 22 05:11:28 If anyone has the webos-internals testing feed installed, there are new version of ipkgservice and preware ready for alpha testing. Oct 22 05:12:05 I wonder if it fixes my installing problems Oct 22 05:12:52 rwhitby: oh Oct 22 05:18:43 anyone make a patch for the number icon rows yet? Oct 22 05:19:28 Robi_: In the launcher? Oct 22 05:19:41 nod Oct 22 05:19:49 i used to have 5 icons across Oct 22 05:19:57 I believe there are 4 different patches for that right now. Oct 22 05:20:06 wait, at least 5 different versions. Oct 22 05:20:14 4x4 version 3 is fantastic IMO. Oct 22 05:20:21 and why can't we update all available updates with one click yet ? ;] Oct 22 05:21:04 lol. I suspect there are bigger fish to fry at the moment. Plus, patches can't update. They notify you of the update and then have to be removed and reinstalled Oct 22 05:21:16 Robi_: dunno - why? Oct 22 05:21:45 if you check weekly, there's 10 things to click/thumb/swipe/OK through.. insane Oct 22 05:22:07 no, I mean why haven't you written the code to do it yet? Oct 22 05:22:31 cuz i've been traveling Oct 22 05:22:40 and wondering why GPS sucked so bad on the pre Oct 22 05:23:02 there's your answer then. We can't update all the available updates with one click yet cause Robi has been travelling. Oct 22 05:23:37 that bastard Oct 22 05:23:53 How dare he travel when we're paying him nothing to write code! Oct 22 05:24:33 hah Oct 22 05:24:56 i'm not the one to do it Oct 22 05:25:13 plus i have a full time job of looking for work myself .. Oct 22 05:25:33 Oh, who is the one who does not have a full time job who is the one to do it? Oct 22 05:25:59 and my app is stuck in pre-development as i don't know how to do the logic in webos Oct 22 05:26:01 Nep Oct 22 05:26:14 s/Nep/Neo/ Oct 22 05:26:14 sugardave meant: Neo Oct 22 05:26:28 Looks like we'll never get single click updates with all those problems in our way ... Oct 22 05:29:51 there an uninstall all for upgrading webos ? Oct 22 05:35:53 looks like we need a favorites section and ability to load/unload all of em at once Oct 22 05:36:58 about the only thing i'm good for is a wiki entry about this Oct 22 05:39:18 Well EPR removes all patches Oct 22 05:39:25 Nothing to put back what you had Oct 22 05:43:20 man i just instaled 27 great patches Oct 22 05:43:30 lord help me with the next update Oct 22 05:43:52 lord in this case goes by the name EPR Oct 22 05:48:12 MR ROBBBBITTTTLLLLLLL Oct 22 05:48:25 I just saw your tweet to Palm, you sycophant Oct 22 05:48:31 Hi JayCanuck Oct 22 05:48:41 hi rwhitby Oct 22 05:48:41 It's called "tough love", JayCanuck. Don't apologise! :p Oct 22 05:48:48 lol Oct 22 05:48:50 ? Oct 22 05:50:03 rod, btw, I updated the unified diff creator for files that don't end in newlines, tried Abyssul's patch again and it's workin :) Oct 22 05:51:17 JayCanuck: cool Oct 22 05:51:38 JayCanuck: so, are you working on an APN changer for WOSQI? ;) Oct 22 05:51:47 APN? Oct 22 05:51:48 why people save files without newlines at the end I'll never know. such editors should be banned. Oct 22 05:51:54 lol Oct 22 05:51:58 JayCanuck: for the GSM SIMs that aren't working Oct 22 05:52:06 JayCanuck: rwhitby said you couldn't do it Oct 22 05:52:13 JayCanuck: something about a "talentless hack" Oct 22 05:52:24 JayCanuck: i really don't think you should stand for that Oct 22 05:52:27 heh, mr "tell no lies" freakout Oct 22 05:52:27 lol, then he's probably right, that man is sharp as a knife Oct 22 05:52:51 psst... I head that's how he kills the competition open source sites Oct 22 05:53:04 :p Oct 22 05:53:14 JayCanuck: no, just the second-rate blogger ;-) Oct 22 05:53:24 scorch Oct 22 05:53:33 you know, the Pre-Central wanna-bees .... Oct 22 05:53:35 btw, rod Oct 22 05:53:54 I found a possible java-based way to create ipks :D Oct 22 05:54:17 JayCanuck: that shouldn't be difficult - Java is a turing machine and all ... Oct 22 05:54:24 lol Oct 22 05:56:08 :O Oct 22 05:56:15 * freakout cries Oct 22 05:56:18 JayCanuck: so that means you can add Type: Patch to the ones you create from .patch files, so they don't end up in the Unknown type bucket ... ;-) Oct 22 05:56:32 I do add that btw ;) Oct 22 05:56:39 But it is 5pm, and thus time to leave work, so now I'm happy. see you later alligators Oct 22 06:08:19 hm seems we're missing the launcher bar number of icons across patch too Oct 22 06:08:36 time for my exam prep Oct 22 06:18:34 JayCanuck: do you have any idea why someone is asking me for a zip file containing a patch? Oct 22 06:19:02 Patches come in .patch files or .ipkg packages. Why is someone asking for a zip file? Oct 22 06:19:27 oh Oct 22 06:19:54 probably because I mentioned precentral doesn't support directly .patch uploads, so if patches are uploaded, they're in zips Oct 22 06:23:50 and zip is an easy method of transfer Oct 22 06:26:26 Sigh. Oct 22 06:29:19 * rwhitby emails Dieter to ask for .patch files to be allowed Oct 22 06:29:57 Next we'll have people referring to "tweak zips" ... Oct 22 06:30:33 :p Oct 22 06:32:49 can i install a launcher patch and edit launcher-assistant.js myself without conflict? Oct 22 06:34:32 anyone? Oct 22 06:36:04 preston: on IRC, you might want to wait more than 2 minutes for an answer :-) Oct 22 06:36:31 you're absolutely right. i apologize. Oct 22 06:37:12 O_o Oct 22 06:38:08 a better question would be: does anyone know if the 5x4 launcher patch affects line 11 of launcher-assistant.js? Oct 22 06:38:26 preston: any easy way to answer that is to look at the patch file itself Oct 22 06:39:00 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/trees/master/app-launcher Oct 22 06:40:43 thank you. does the order matter that i do it? i.e. should i do the patch first, or my own changes? Oct 22 06:43:19 hmm - dunno. egaudet would be able to advise you on that one, since it will matter for EPR Oct 22 06:44:49 thanks for your help. i finally figured out how to truly hide the quicklaunch bar without affecting the wave, and i don't want to interfere with anything else. Oct 22 06:45:45 preston: do you want to submit a patch for it Oct 22 06:45:50 * freakout-away has a Touchstone! Oct 22 06:46:01 * freakout-away doesn't have a Pre yet, but he has a Touchstone Oct 22 06:46:06 yes, but i don't know how Oct 22 06:46:07 freakout-away: nothing but a toothbrush to put on it? Oct 22 06:46:11 pointless? yes Oct 22 06:46:17 rwhitby: yep Oct 22 06:46:21 preston: post a new thread in the webos-patches forum Oct 22 06:46:32 rwhitby: dodgy freaking eBay seller in Hong Kong. Didn't even come in a box Oct 22 06:46:36 but it was cheap Oct 22 06:47:06 freakout: is it a real one? Oct 22 06:47:23 +rwitby: i started a thread in webos development. http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/210838-how-remove-quick-launcher.html Oct 22 06:47:34 rwhitby: feels hefty, has all the right logos. came with a replacement Pre cover Oct 22 06:47:39 rwhitby: looks legit Oct 22 06:47:43 $$$? Oct 22 06:47:52 $50 USD including shipping Oct 22 06:48:10 which is much better than the import price from the US (which woulda been about $70-90 AUD Oct 22 06:48:39 But I'm still leaving negative feedback Oct 22 06:48:46 freakout: why? Oct 22 06:48:56 No box! this was not mentioned on the seller's page anywhere Oct 22 06:49:04 maybe not negative. but neutral Oct 22 06:49:07 It's HK though Oct 22 06:49:09 * rwhitby considers getting a second touchstone and cover. Oct 22 06:49:10 what did you expect Oct 22 06:49:20 Eguy: lol Oct 22 06:49:22 freakout: URL? Oct 22 06:49:24 I've bought from HK before Oct 22 06:49:37 My TS was $39 :D Oct 22 06:50:05 $35 now :( Oct 22 06:50:42 rwhitby: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170382743602 Oct 22 06:51:14 Good price Oct 22 06:51:15 $54 USD actually. Oct 22 06:51:27 I can get it for $49 free shipping Oct 22 06:51:32 international? Oct 22 06:51:34 so not bad Oct 22 06:51:38 no US Oct 22 06:51:45 i wonder where they came from Oct 22 06:51:54 why no box? and there's no Pre avail in HK... Oct 22 06:52:10 stolen? Oct 22 06:55:09 * freakout shugs Oct 22 06:55:10 maybe Oct 22 06:55:16 freakout: how long did it take to ship? Oct 22 06:55:29 10 days Oct 22 06:55:35 * rwhitby bought one Oct 22 06:55:38 bought it oct 12, found it heere today Oct 22 06:56:06 Impressive Oct 22 06:56:53 * Eguy thinks rwhitby is made of money (Secretly has 5 Pres and 10 Pixis :P hehe just kidding Oct 22 06:57:02 Now, I need to work out how to test the update dependency of preware and ipkgservice, when the functionality is in the versions that I want to update too ... Oct 22 06:57:30 Eguy: I haven't bought a phone in over 5 years. Oct 22 06:57:53 I know, I am just messing with you ;) Oct 22 06:58:02 I loved my 650 Oct 22 06:58:58 Eguy, just look at that statement and reconfigure it to "I've had people donate me phones out the ass for the past 5 years" :) Oct 22 06:59:17 hah Oct 22 06:59:34 i dont think that $50 app guy thought his plan through Oct 22 06:59:43 What a retard Oct 22 06:59:55 that, and none of his $20 apps have any reviews yet Oct 22 06:59:58 $50 app guy? Oct 22 06:59:59 meaning, nobody has bought it Oct 22 07:00:06 I wish we could all 1 star him without buying it Oct 22 07:00:11 there is an app in the catalog for $50 Oct 22 07:00:20 psykoz: wake up Oct 22 07:00:25 maybe ill just buy it and review with "Yeah, I bought it! HAHA" Oct 22 07:00:34 lol Oct 22 07:00:42 Waste of $50 Oct 22 07:00:46 lol Oct 22 07:00:48 That is a tank of gas for me Oct 22 07:00:51 What is it supposed to do? Show off how you can spend $50? :) Oct 22 07:01:01 It's a online dictionary Oct 22 07:01:09 s/a/an/ Oct 22 07:01:10 Eguy meant: It's an online dictionary Oct 22 07:01:53 The French to English Medical Dictionary? Oct 22 07:02:10 yes Oct 22 07:02:19 wow Oct 22 07:02:19 which needs data to run xD Oct 22 07:02:33 he must really think Doctors are going to be all over the Pre ;) Oct 22 07:02:44 Well Oct 22 07:02:52 you can't use data in hospital Oct 22 07:02:57 It is useless Oct 22 07:02:59 lol Oct 22 07:03:15 unless its got like a 30 minute "wait while we download your money" screen Oct 22 07:03:21 to build a local db Oct 22 07:04:19 lol Oct 22 07:04:25 which then fills /var Oct 22 07:04:35 and that is the only app you can have Oct 22 07:04:41 rwhitby: do note that the TS doesn't come with a cable Oct 22 07:04:58 freakout87: I use my $1 cable with it Oct 22 07:05:13 * freakout87 's cables don't fit Oct 22 07:05:17 * freakout87 will need to file one down Oct 22 07:05:45 It only really works with the palm's charger though Oct 22 07:05:46 oh, and can someone please kick freakout so I can have my nick back? :) Oct 22 07:06:08 Eguy: your app can save its database to the usb drive Oct 22 07:06:28 oil: you really think this dev did/would do that? Oct 22 07:06:37 when they want $50 for an app? Oct 22 07:06:38 no Oct 22 07:06:39 i dont Oct 22 07:06:44 They obiouvly don't have brains Oct 22 07:07:15 s/obiovly/obviously Oct 22 07:07:23 miserable :( Oct 22 07:07:30 I like the $50 guy. Oct 22 07:07:39 He's doing his part to stop the race to the bottom. Oct 22 07:07:59 by showing that apps can't sell for $50? Oct 22 07:08:01 That's only because you want to charge $50 for wiki access :P Oct 22 07:08:13 Raise funds for GSM Pixi import Oct 22 07:08:31 * rwhitby 's secret plans are foiled! Oct 22 07:08:55 i agree that not all apps should be forced to $.99 to compete Oct 22 07:08:59 but $50 is overkill Oct 22 07:09:01 surely you see that Oct 22 07:09:06 psykoz: didn't you know that the sole reason for starting webos-internals.org was so I didn't have to pay for a Pre ... Oct 22 07:09:48 and i will be shocked if it doesn't come down in price Oct 22 07:09:49 ... and get other people to write software and patches for it ... Oct 22 07:10:00 $8 is overkill for a package traking program Oct 22 07:10:05 it is Oct 22 07:10:13 That guy is out of his mind Oct 22 07:10:14 $2 is overkill for some dot game thing ... Oct 22 07:10:19 LOL Oct 22 07:10:19 dot game is free Oct 22 07:10:25 so, i agree, it is Oct 22 07:10:28 exactly! Oct 22 07:10:28 for now... Oct 22 07:10:31 I don't mind high prices on stuff, because I'll do the same thing I've always done with my iPod touch Oct 22 07:10:39 Steal? Oct 22 07:10:41 lol Oct 22 07:10:43 there is enough free junk out there to entertain me, and if there isn't, then there is something wrong with me Oct 22 07:10:56 though i am putting blocked up for $1.99 Oct 22 07:11:06 if the reviewers ever stop having me add useless crap Oct 22 07:11:54 I think dot game is worth more than blocked ... Oct 22 07:11:56 at least your AI doesn't cheat like kesne Oct 22 07:12:10 really? Oct 22 07:12:15 i think blocked is way more fun then dot game Oct 22 07:12:30 It is Oct 22 07:12:43 It looks like crap but it is more fun Oct 22 07:12:50 well, im no artist Oct 22 07:12:52 * rwhitby has played neither Oct 22 07:12:58 well wtf Oct 22 07:13:02 AHAHAHAHAHHA Oct 22 07:13:08 way to make uninformed opinions Oct 22 07:13:46 oil: so what should we do if there is an update on a dependent package pending, and someone wants to install a new package which depends on it. I think we need to catch it. Oct 22 07:13:57 * rwhitby has no informed opinions Oct 22 07:14:11 idk Oct 22 07:14:18 it should probably be updated or something Oct 22 07:14:27 e.g. package manager update pending, and installing luna manager. Oct 22 07:14:38 I think we need to update package manager first in all cases. Oct 22 07:14:38 cause someone would totally do that Oct 22 07:14:39 lol Oct 22 07:14:46 I just did Oct 22 07:14:58 though, lunamanger doesn't require any new versions Oct 22 07:15:03 its fine with an earlier one Oct 22 07:15:20 oh, does it use the new names? Oct 22 07:15:30 idk Oct 22 07:16:38 My preware still doesn't install dependencies Oct 22 07:16:45 I have to use terminal Oct 22 07:16:47 Eguy: what version? Oct 22 07:16:57 094/093 Oct 22 07:17:21 that's not the latest. I suspect your feed configs are borked Oct 22 07:17:52 Eguy: check your feeds (Preferences pane, top right button) and make sure they all have URLs in them. Oct 22 07:18:01 If one says "feed", then it is borked. Oct 22 07:18:06 They are fine Oct 22 07:18:11 lol Oct 22 07:18:34 Eguy: is Preware telling you there is an update to ipkgservice? Oct 22 07:19:02 i must have accidentally left in that "if user==eguy fail();" Oct 22 07:19:22 Nope Oct 22 07:19:27 Oh my mistake Oct 22 07:19:40 094 preware Oct 22 07:19:51 whatever the new ipkg service is Oct 22 07:20:07 tell me a version number Oct 22 07:20:27 * freakout is annoyed that Touchstone back does not fit his Centro Oct 22 07:20:41 freakout: try it on the Treo 650 ... Oct 22 07:20:50 good idea! Oct 22 07:20:55 or use a bigger hammer. Oct 22 07:21:04 097 Oct 22 07:21:16 lol freakout Oct 22 07:21:19 Eguy: so, which dependency did it not install? Oct 22 07:21:32 test sample: http://i36.tinypic.com/977ji8.jpg Oct 22 07:21:52 and it would stay there and do nothing Oct 22 07:22:00 spinning circle Oct 22 07:22:34 and what makes you think that's a dependencies problem? Oct 22 07:22:43 meanwhile, i have received confirmation my contact (guy who runs nexave.de) has shipped my Pre yesterday, 30 EUR. rwhitby how much did shipping cost you? Oct 22 07:22:45 well not dependencies but postinst scripts Oct 22 07:22:57 freakout: dunno yet - hasn't been shipped Oct 22 07:22:58 wrong use of words Oct 22 07:23:24 Eguy: install an elephan Oct 22 07:23:26 t Oct 22 07:23:40 * oil thinks eguy should upgrade to filecoaster Oct 22 07:23:40 lol Oct 22 07:23:46 lol Oct 22 07:23:53 filecoaster Oct 22 07:23:58 more like a downgrade Oct 22 07:23:58 oh, I meant diffstat - wrong use of words Oct 22 07:24:10 I have diffstat on Oct 22 07:24:18 install a giraffe then Oct 22 07:24:28 Well tha isn't nice Rod Oct 22 07:24:31 that Oct 22 07:24:57 install gnu patch Oct 22 07:25:00 you could use preload Oct 22 07:25:03 itl install patches Oct 22 07:25:05 the offline root line is a red herring Oct 22 07:25:14 I have gnu patch installed Oct 22 07:25:19 Of course Oct 22 07:25:21 and quilt Oct 22 07:25:24 it has been expunged in preware 0.9.5 so people don't think it's a problem Oct 22 07:25:25 if you can get past that blueness Oct 22 07:25:29 quilt works Oct 22 07:26:05 Eguy: pastebin the output of "dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" from when the problem happens. Oct 22 07:26:19 pfft Oct 22 07:26:22 too much work Oct 22 07:26:32 eguy just likes to complain Oct 22 07:26:37 * Eguy nods Oct 22 07:26:39 its easier then actually attempting to fix it Oct 22 07:26:54 and if he did, he would have nothing to complain about Oct 22 07:27:15 yes Oct 22 07:27:23 he still wants the gpu unlocker patch though Oct 22 07:27:25 and me being the IT guy, I don't get to complain often Oct 22 07:27:25 * freakout plays violin Oct 22 07:27:26 to speed up his pre Oct 22 07:27:43 I get to hear complaints all day instead Oct 22 07:27:46 * oil thinks dealing with users is the worst part of his job Oct 22 07:28:49 "my blue bar is on the side of the screen!?!?!" Oct 22 07:28:53 "did you move it there?" Oct 22 07:28:56 "NO!" Oct 22 07:29:16 lol Oct 22 07:29:18 "the printer isn't working! come fix it!" Oct 22 07:29:19 i get there Oct 22 07:29:26 look at the little screen on the front next to the red light Oct 22 07:29:27 no paper? Oct 22 07:29:31 "load paper tray 1" Oct 22 07:29:37 lol Oct 22 07:29:43 What does it mean when it says cannot display page Oct 22 07:29:49 LOL Oct 22 07:29:51 hmm Oct 22 07:29:53 lol Oct 22 07:30:14 I got that today Oct 22 07:30:16 this is why I never got into IT Oct 22 07:30:20 and people always think things are magic Oct 22 07:30:22 when I was working on our interweb Oct 22 07:30:27 i get there, im like "what did you do?" Oct 22 07:30:30 "nothing!" Oct 22 07:30:31 People always say "oh Tim, you're so clever with computers, why don't you go into IT?" Oct 22 07:30:44 And I say "because it would drive me batshit-friggin'-crazy" Oct 22 07:30:44 Tim, be honest, people don't say that Oct 22 07:30:48 and i try to explain that im not trying to place blame, but if they tell me what they did, i will be able to fix it faster and easier Oct 22 07:30:58 but, nobody ever does anything Oct 22 07:31:08 Eguy: _|_ Oct 22 07:31:10 gremlins always be screwing things up Oct 22 07:31:12 LOL Oct 22 07:31:12 oil: it's the gnomes Oct 22 07:31:28 this one lady Oct 22 07:31:30 I never tell anyone what I did to fix it Oct 22 07:31:31 she is seriously blind Oct 22 07:31:34 22 inch monitor Oct 22 07:31:37 I always say it is magic Oct 22 07:31:37 800x600 Oct 22 07:31:44 GIGANTIC mouse cursor Oct 22 07:31:52 oh yes Oct 22 07:31:52 and she still leans in and squints Oct 22 07:31:56 ohhh yes Oct 22 07:32:01 hahahaa Oct 22 07:32:05 don't worry, you will get there one day Oct 22 07:32:06 * freakout knows the type Oct 22 07:32:11 pshg Oct 22 07:32:29 * Eguy thinks rwhitby has a huge magnifier on his screen... Oct 22 07:33:22 but yea, thats the worst part of my job Oct 22 07:33:32 people always call down with problems Oct 22 07:33:40 and my boss will be like "oh, we'll be right up" Oct 22 07:33:43 then looks at me Oct 22 07:33:47 owned Oct 22 07:33:49 and im like "by we, you mean me, dont you" Oct 22 07:33:58 * Eguy loves being the boss Oct 22 07:34:08 * oil likes not being hte boss Oct 22 07:34:14 lol Oct 22 07:34:17 i don't get calls at 4am when shit breaks Oct 22 07:34:25 Neither do I Oct 22 07:34:37 actually Oct 22 07:34:44 dealing with users isn't the worst part Oct 22 07:34:46 i take that back Oct 22 07:34:47 and if I do get them, I hit ignore until I get to the office ;) Oct 22 07:34:47 about two people who DON'T want to be the boss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K_BXCW8QbY Oct 22 07:34:49 atleast they work there Oct 22 07:35:03 being a family-owned company Oct 22 07:35:16 if you have that last name, you get free pc repair Oct 22 07:35:31 hah Oct 22 07:35:40 trying to teach a 90 year old guy to scan in his pictures Oct 22 07:35:41 wow Oct 22 07:35:49 family run business...eh Oct 22 07:36:00 I hate to mix business with family Oct 22 07:36:00 all their kids laptops Oct 22 07:36:06 they take crap care of Oct 22 07:36:16 then i get to spend hours cleaning all the spyware and viruses off it Oct 22 07:36:31 I charge more depending on ethnic background Oct 22 07:36:38 if they are more difficult Oct 22 07:36:44 don't tell anyone Oct 22 07:36:47 :P Oct 22 07:36:51 its no charge Oct 22 07:36:55 oil: all the version checking stuff for getDependencies is commented out :-) Oct 22 07:36:56 but i still have to do it Oct 22 07:37:01 i know Oct 22 07:37:04 its untested Oct 22 07:37:19 you can see its using eval() Oct 22 07:37:26 which, is not a good way to do it at all Oct 22 07:37:46 oil: I'm going to change it so that it returns the package if the package hasUpdate Oct 22 07:37:46 we need a version check function that does all the crazy shit you want it to do, and returns a -1, 0, 1 Oct 22 07:38:20 well, that's much later. for now, it'll call it a justNeeded dependency if it has an update pending Oct 22 07:38:35 We need to use eval() more in our codebase Oct 22 07:38:41 It's underappreciated Oct 22 07:38:42 ;> Oct 22 07:39:01 and you'll have to add dependency checks to the update function in package.js Oct 22 07:39:11 and add a multi-install functions for it to packages.js Oct 22 07:39:25 though the service still needs to support remove/install updates Oct 22 07:39:37 since some packages can't be updated Oct 22 07:41:02 well, updated in the sense of everything else Oct 22 07:41:06 which is just an install over-the-top Oct 22 07:41:53 oil: already done the multi-stuff and update dependency checks Oct 22 07:42:19 good point about dependencies that are replace-install updates Oct 22 07:42:19 and checking to make sure that packages package type can be updated? Oct 22 07:42:36 there is a can() function in packages.js (atleast, i think thats where it is) Oct 22 07:42:49 that uses that object defined at hte top of packages.js to determine what can be done to what type of package Oct 22 07:42:51 I'm going to punt that for the moment, cause nothing depends on patches or themes yet. Oct 22 07:42:59 right Oct 22 07:43:10 but, it should still not update something that isn't update=true Oct 22 07:43:19 i added a updateAsReplace or something for the other type of update Oct 22 07:43:22 which could be coded in later Oct 22 07:43:39 cause i think the idea of patch-packs is a good one Oct 22 07:43:48 like a "most used" patch Oct 22 07:43:49 let's see if this version updates ipkgservice before installing luna-manager. Oct 22 07:43:53 that depends on a list of patches Oct 22 07:44:56 yeah, I'll get the simple case working first, and then look at that. Oct 22 07:45:08 anyways, that "preware install doesn't 'stick'" but is a pita Oct 22 07:45:15 s/but/bug/ Oct 22 07:45:16 oil meant: anyways, that "preware install doesn't 'stick'" bug is a pita Oct 22 07:48:29 oil: have you seen any solid info on it yet? Oct 22 07:48:36 no Oct 22 07:48:53 i did however Oct 22 07:49:02 recently lose even more faith in the average pre user Oct 22 07:49:11 http://i33.tinypic.com/5xo1ev.png Oct 22 07:49:34 nor I, so every report from now gets "Please see http://forums.precentral.net/1990743-post2719.html" Oct 22 07:50:14 and that guy with the "oh, i work in redomnd, wa" crap Oct 22 07:50:15 lol Oct 22 07:50:39 like, you work for microsoft but can't type a coherent post? Oct 22 07:50:40 yeah, that was amusing Oct 22 07:51:55 bbl Oct 22 07:53:33 Wait...we all have lives aside from webos development? Oct 22 07:53:58 apparently we're not supposed to Oct 22 07:54:11 because he waited all of 2 hours before saying he was going back to filecoaster Oct 22 07:54:17 after asking for help Oct 22 07:54:21 I thought rwhitby sits here helping n00bs all day... Oct 22 07:54:30 then i made a comment about how i should quit my job to hit f5 on the thread all day Oct 22 07:54:36 and took it that i was claiming he didn't have a job Oct 22 08:02:19 lol Oct 22 08:02:23 oil, link to that guy? Oct 22 08:02:31 its in the preware thread Oct 22 08:02:51 * rwhitby learns to use the -d switch on palm-install Oct 22 08:02:58 -d? Oct 22 08:03:03 -d tcp Oct 22 08:03:09 or -d usb Oct 22 08:03:16 oh Oct 22 08:03:16 yeah Oct 22 08:03:26 i usually do it the normal way Oct 22 08:03:32 and if my pre is plugged in, it switches to that on its own Oct 22 08:03:40 freakout: it starts http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/199090-preware-133.html#post1986147 Oct 22 08:03:48 and goes from there Oct 22 08:05:59 oil: (sigh) Oct 22 08:06:10 ? Oct 22 08:06:13 oil: I just got a case where palm-install didn't Oct 22 08:06:17 that was directed at that guy, oil Oct 22 08:06:22 oh Oct 22 08:06:27 Aunt Minnie is lucky you even bother to read the threads Oct 22 08:07:01 interesting ... Oct 22 08:07:21 rwhitby: i usually use the eclipse plugin though, and its got different settings for emu or pre Oct 22 08:07:54 * freakout wishes palm-install worked globally on win the way it does on linux Oct 22 08:08:53 lol that is a good post oil Oct 22 08:09:12 freaking writing too many mojo apps Oct 22 08:09:29 making me put +'s to concat strings in my php instead of .'s Oct 22 08:10:20 oil: it seems that palm-install suffers from the ipkg -o /var list instead of list_installed bug in LunaSysMgr Oct 22 08:10:42 lol Oct 22 08:10:59 * oil installs fairdinkum on emu Oct 22 08:11:05 lol Oct 22 08:11:05 if I have the testing feed enabled, which has Preware 0.9.5 in it, then palm-install refuses to install it Oct 22 08:11:14 oh, rwhitby: yeah Oct 22 08:11:16 i run into that alot Oct 22 08:11:17 lol Oct 22 08:11:18 * freakout finds it funny that yanks are now saying fairdinkum Oct 22 08:11:35 i have to increment hte version everytime a new release is in the feeds Oct 22 08:11:37 freakout: that's my cunning plan Oct 22 08:11:50 * oil wonders what the joke is Oct 22 08:12:06 and that's the point :p Oct 22 08:12:21 * Eguy finds it funny commies call us yanks Oct 22 08:12:31 lol Oct 22 08:12:35 fine, you're not yanks Oct 22 08:12:36 oil: it's like an australian saying aluminum instead of aluminium Oct 22 08:12:37 You're seppos Oct 22 08:12:49 and they're all criminals down there, too Oct 22 08:12:57 and their toilets flush the opposite direction Oct 22 08:13:02 fine, you're not commies you are peasants Oct 22 08:13:06 crazy Oct 22 08:13:23 no Oct 22 08:13:25 Actually, our toilets don't "spiral" at all like seppo toilets Oct 22 08:13:28 i have no problems with auzzies Oct 22 08:13:39 when i was in highschool Oct 22 08:13:40 damn kangaroos Oct 22 08:13:43 :P Oct 22 08:13:51 we had a teacher that like, switched places with a teacher from australia Oct 22 08:13:57 for a trimester Oct 22 08:14:05 and she was really hot Oct 22 08:14:08 LOL I love when James May calls frenchies land burning communists Oct 22 08:14:20 only class i think i ever payed attention in the whole time i was in highschool Oct 22 08:14:26 hah Oct 22 08:14:31 We breed the best, oil Oct 22 08:14:34 lol Oct 22 08:14:52 I thought the best came out of Alabama by a father and his sister Oct 22 08:14:58 here's a great piece of Oz history for you.... Oct 22 08:15:29 alian.news.com.au/jacktheinsider/index.php/theaustralian/comments/australia_day_why_not_have_two/ Oct 22 08:15:33 oh, bugger Oct 22 08:15:36 linkfail Oct 22 08:15:48 http://tinyurl.com/yfrgut2 Oct 22 08:16:01 * rwhitby checks whether WOSQI uses palm-install at all ... Oct 22 08:16:22 i know qi when set to emulator Oct 22 08:16:26 will install to my pre whenever i plug it in Oct 22 08:16:30 without me needing to change the setting Oct 22 08:16:34 just like palm-install Oct 22 08:16:49 spam dump in 3... 2... 1... Oct 22 08:16:50 "If Australians are to commemorate anything to do with the First Fleet landing, then surely it is the events of February 6, 1788. This date amounts to Australia’s first public, though unofficial, holiday. Oct 22 08:16:50 It was on this day that the womenfolk, 189 of the total of 732 convicts, first set foot on Australian soil. Many of the women had been dispatched to penal servitude in Australia for prostitution or minor thefts. Most had been transported on The Lady Penrhyn, the vessel on which Arthur Bowes-Smyth served as surgeon. Oct 22 08:16:50 Bowes-Smyth wrote of the feverish scenes as the ladies made landfall: Oct 22 08:16:51 “They were dressed in general very clean and some few amongst them might said to be well dressed. The men convicts got to them very soon after they landed, and it is beyond my abilities to give a just description of the scene of debauchery and riot that ensued that night." Oct 22 08:17:06 lol bugger Oct 22 08:17:33 lol Oct 22 08:17:50 so, all your ancestors are criminals AND prostitutes? Oct 22 08:17:51 xD Oct 22 08:18:00 like I said: the best xD Oct 22 08:18:06 lol Oct 22 08:18:13 and they all wear short shorts Oct 22 08:18:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sn9L94YrNk bugger Oct 22 08:18:31 * rwhitby notices that WOSQI still doesn't check the Status: line in /var/usr/lib/ipkg/status ... Oct 22 08:18:42 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2698159&l=bb6711603e&id=630823099 Oct 22 08:18:56 * rwhitby wonders if that is the cause of the preware not showing up problem ... Oct 22 08:19:26 * oil knows better then to click freakout links for facebook Oct 22 08:19:31 lol Oct 22 08:19:38 * Eguy agrees with oil Oct 22 08:19:39 rwhitby: they said they had the same problem with the standalone installer Oct 22 08:19:40 It's okay. Eguy will Oct 22 08:19:43 * rwhitby meant WOSQI checking Status:, not superman reg grundies Oct 22 08:19:55 lol Oct 22 08:20:02 they could still be responsible, rwhitby Oct 22 08:20:04 though, that could just be them saying that, and not actually trying it Oct 22 08:20:08 * Eguy knows better than to click freakout's porn links Oct 22 08:20:14 lol Oct 22 08:20:26 * freakout knows you both clicked it anyway Oct 22 08:20:31 * oil didn't Oct 22 08:20:36 * oil knows better Oct 22 08:20:38 * Eguy didn't Oct 22 08:20:45 oil and Eguy lie Oct 22 08:20:51 * Eguy definitely knows better Oct 22 08:20:52 eguy definately did though Oct 22 08:20:55 * rwhitby saved it for posting in next weeks PalmCast Live ... Oct 22 08:20:59 lmao Oct 22 08:21:01 haha Oct 22 08:21:04 so you should Oct 22 08:21:04 hahahha Oct 22 08:21:16 they answered two of your emails this week tim Oct 22 08:21:18 it'll teach those elitist snobs a lesson Oct 22 08:21:18 you realize now they're going to invite you expecting short shorts Oct 22 08:21:30 * freakout still hasn't heard the PalmCast, is waiting for the recording Oct 22 08:21:41 * oil missed it as well Oct 22 08:21:46 * rwhitby bets Dieter will edit that part out Oct 22 08:21:48 it starts at 5pm my time, right when i get off work Oct 22 08:21:54 so i have to drive a half hour home Oct 22 08:21:59 then get everything going Oct 22 08:22:02 and by that time ive missed most of it Oct 22 08:22:09 The scolded you for expecting to appear on it Oct 22 08:22:13 yeah, i'm out of time for it too - starts at 10am here Oct 22 08:22:20 Eguy: yes, rwhitby told me Oct 22 08:22:31 Eguy: I don't actually care, it's just a running gag for me now Oct 22 08:22:40 well, they did offer him a job Oct 22 08:22:46 if he had taken it he would have been invited Oct 22 08:22:47 lol Oct 22 08:22:49 lol Oct 22 08:22:56 yes, it's all just retaliation now Oct 22 08:22:57 but now you're blacklisted Oct 22 08:23:13 hahaha Oct 22 08:23:24 That's cool. I'm going to start my own PalmCast. With blackjack! And hookers! Actually, forget the PalmCast! Oct 22 08:23:27 freakout: how much did they offer? must have been less than the cost of a German Pre ;-) Oct 22 08:23:29 * oil tweets in a question for next week "why is freakout so gay in his short shorts?" Oct 22 08:23:47 that is, i would if i used twitter Oct 22 08:23:47 lol Oct 22 08:24:00 why are you so obsessed with his shorts? Oct 22 08:24:05 oil: like I said, short shorts lead to THIS: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2566023&l=9c13737f40&id=630823099 Oct 22 08:24:10 that link is safe. Oct 22 08:24:15 * oil still doesn't click Oct 22 08:24:23 I bet it is worse than any before Oct 22 08:24:25 it has girls! Oct 22 08:24:28 lol Oct 22 08:24:31 that sounds like a lie Oct 22 08:24:33 zyou don't know any girls! Oct 22 08:24:40 :( Oct 22 08:24:44 I know you two Oct 22 08:24:48 the only time i visit twitter Oct 22 08:24:51 lol Oct 22 08:24:55 is to check out http://twitter.com/#search?q=preware Oct 22 08:24:59 to see what people be sayin Oct 22 08:25:14 The only time I check twitter is...well never because it is stupid Oct 22 08:25:14 rwhitby: there was no pricing discussed, 'cause I turned 'em down when they said I'd have to pick between PreCentral and PIC Oct 22 08:25:32 you could have been makin all sorts of money Oct 22 08:25:35 $8.50/hr Oct 22 08:25:42 lol. I bet not Oct 22 08:25:55 ofcourse, you would only get to write one story a month Oct 22 08:25:55 seriously. I'd have to compete with Derek, Jason and that new Robert Welinger guy Oct 22 08:26:05 new guy huh? Oct 22 08:26:10 any hazing? Oct 22 08:26:15 you could have done front page posts for new awesome prewares Oct 22 08:26:25 look what you robbed us of? Oct 22 08:26:30 lol Oct 22 08:26:42 sorry, you'll just have to settle for PIC and its readership of bitter, disenfranchised Palm OS users Oct 22 08:26:43 * Eguy thinks Tim would just post pics of him in shorts on P|C's front page Oct 22 08:27:02 * rwhitby bbl Oct 22 08:27:13 ^ is going to throw up at the thought of that Oct 22 08:27:17 why are you so obsessed with his short shorts eguy? Oct 22 08:27:23 hahaha Oct 22 08:27:24 xD Oct 22 08:27:31 *high five* Oct 22 08:27:33 oil, Eguy, if you really want I can send you each a pre-worn pair Oct 22 08:27:49 Oh god, I just threw up a little in my mouth Oct 22 08:27:51 * oil passes Oct 22 08:28:04 you can send eguy my pair Oct 22 08:28:24 I'll have to pass on both pairs Oct 22 08:28:29 fine Oct 22 08:28:33 * freakout sends them to Dieter instead Oct 22 08:28:38 lol Oct 22 08:28:40 lol Oct 22 08:28:45 and pics of your new mankini Oct 22 08:28:57 hahaa, speaking of revealing clothing Oct 22 08:29:08 I got a Star Trek uniform off eBay for the Halloween party next week Oct 22 08:29:13 nice Oct 22 08:29:14 mankini? I would rather cut my eyes out Oct 22 08:29:18 it is spandex. horribly revealing Oct 22 08:29:23 not nice Oct 22 08:29:34 unless it's on my studly body :p Oct 22 08:29:41 no, its still not nice Oct 22 08:29:45 lol Oct 22 08:29:50 ahaha Oct 22 08:29:50 they'll think you're a gay starfleet officer Oct 22 08:30:02 all starfleet people are gay? Oct 22 08:30:09 no, they're not Oct 22 08:30:18 Eguy: Lt. Worf is *so* gonna kick your ass for that Oct 22 08:30:24 Certainly not getting any Oct 22 08:30:34 have you ever watched startrek? Oct 22 08:30:41 nope Oct 22 08:30:46 there is all sorts of alien non-gay lovemaking going on Oct 22 08:31:20 Not nice Oct 22 08:31:23 Eguy: watch and learn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytbkGPAopC4 Oct 22 08:31:35 ^I bet that is a movie of you, not thanks Oct 22 08:31:39 lol Oct 22 08:31:39 no* Oct 22 08:31:48 just a young william shatner and his conquests Oct 22 08:31:55 including one with blue skin Oct 22 08:32:06 one of the tweets links to a video showing how to install preware Oct 22 08:32:15 but he doesn't install the package manager Oct 22 08:32:18 lol Oct 22 08:32:19 because it is so hard Oct 22 08:32:19 directions fail Oct 22 08:32:55 I'm gonna be happy with agendus again Oct 22 08:33:09 Eguy: why not just use it on Classic? Oct 22 08:33:17 re Oct 22 08:33:28 There are a million reasons not to Oct 22 08:33:33 has anyone tried changing the IO scheduler for the pre? Oct 22 08:33:35 1 Classic Oct 22 08:33:42 2 Classic Oct 22 08:33:45 3 Classic Oct 22 08:33:47 lol. It's that bad? Oct 22 08:33:52 Yes Oct 22 08:34:10 and it is $30 Oct 22 08:34:25 Really? $30 that is almost as bad as the dictionary Oct 22 08:34:31 * freakout was planning on Classic being one of the first things he bought... Oct 22 08:34:35 i tried to use it Oct 22 08:34:37 but it was weird Oct 22 08:34:41 Classic should be bundled with every Pre purchase Oct 22 08:34:45 my first instinct was drag to scroll Oct 22 08:34:47 and launched something Oct 22 08:34:51 oil: lol Oct 22 08:34:55 ha Oct 22 08:34:58 oil: clearly not a Palm OS user Oct 22 08:35:07 the pre is my first smartphone Oct 22 08:35:19 I was dialing stuff and launching all sorts of stuff when I first got my Pre Oct 22 08:35:37 Palm OS was a fantastic smartphone OS. If it had had a decent browser and UMTS I might never leave it Oct 22 08:36:02 I am looking foward to getting back on it...never EVER thought I would say that Oct 22 08:36:05 It was simple, brutally functional and the PIM still kicks the ass of anything else Oct 22 08:36:06 i always wanted one Oct 22 08:36:09 but never got one Oct 22 08:36:43 Palm OS PIM was bar none Oct 22 08:36:57 oil: how come? no motivation? Oct 22 08:37:02 idk Oct 22 08:37:04 just never did Oct 22 08:37:14 * freakout DEMANDS ANSWERS Oct 22 08:37:29 i had the same lgvx6000 for like 6 years Oct 22 08:37:41 before the pre Oct 22 08:37:45 ooooooooooohhhh pain Oct 22 08:37:52 it made calls Oct 22 08:37:56 that was all i needed it for Oct 22 08:38:10 and i thought about getting an iphone alot when it came out Oct 22 08:38:25 but don';t like att Oct 22 08:38:27 I still can't believe how useless the webOS calendar is Oct 22 08:38:29 or apple Oct 22 08:38:39 i don't use the calendar Oct 22 08:38:43 so, its perfectly useful for me Oct 22 08:38:47 Keep it that way Oct 22 08:38:48 oil: when iPhone first came out, I wrote this Oct 22 08:38:49 http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9491/palm-treo-vs-the-iphone-10-rounds/ Oct 22 08:39:05 over 300 comments Oct 22 08:39:09 most of them telling me to die in a fire Oct 22 08:39:13 mostly apple fanboys? Oct 22 08:39:19 * freakout nods Oct 22 08:39:21 Personally, I love them Oct 22 08:39:27 They are so clueless it is funny Oct 22 08:39:56 and with those new iMacs and Macbooks announced yesterday, get ready for even more Mac sales Oct 22 08:39:57 lol Oct 22 08:40:03 yep, even Gruber had a go at me Oct 22 08:40:06 oooooo Magic Mouse Oct 22 08:40:13 it must be the best mouse ever made Oct 22 08:40:38 what is it with Apple and making shitty mice? Ever since the first iMac and that stupid hockey puck thing... Oct 22 08:40:42 if you dont like buttons Oct 22 08:40:47 personally, i like buttons on my mouse Oct 22 08:40:59 oh, and now apple doesn't sell anything you can change the battery in Oct 22 08:41:00 Apple is all about screwing the user with each revision Oct 22 08:41:14 its an exciting new upgrade! Oct 22 08:41:23 where we take features away! Oct 22 08:41:24 I love the internal battery Oct 22 08:41:25 Eguy: I believe they call it "delighting the customer" :p Oct 22 08:41:26 because you don't need them! Oct 22 08:41:31 because we told you you dont need them! Oct 22 08:41:37 we HAVE all seen that Onion video, right? Oct 22 08:41:37 It is going to break and it is $200 to replace! Oct 22 08:41:55 http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary Oct 22 08:42:10 i think the best one was the madtv sketch Oct 22 08:42:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgZKjJt-TkU Oct 22 08:42:17 were they made fun of bush and apple in one go Oct 22 08:42:18 ^ yup Oct 22 08:42:27 oh no that is the irack Oct 22 08:42:34 the one I just posted is better Oct 22 08:42:37 lol Oct 22 08:42:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dafUn4AP-Jg that is the bush one Oct 22 08:42:58 the iphone one is the best Oct 22 08:43:11 sssssshh Oct 22 08:43:14 * freakout is watching Oct 22 08:45:19 lmao Oct 22 08:45:39 the irack one is way better Oct 22 08:45:52 no way Oct 22 08:45:58 the black guy on the iphone one Oct 22 08:46:00 its pure genius Oct 22 08:46:07 making fun of bush and apple in one go Oct 22 08:46:12 "I'm so glad I didn't kill myself yesterday" Oct 22 08:46:14 it was too perfect Oct 22 08:46:20 that was really the only funny part in the other one Oct 22 08:46:32 no Oct 22 08:46:43 "iPhone...disappear me" Oct 22 08:47:25 lol Oct 22 08:47:25 * freakout has to agree with oil Oct 22 08:48:00 "You are going to fix it, right?" "Wrong. Mission accomplished." lol Oct 22 08:48:14 hahha yes Oct 22 08:48:35 "It looks like it does not want all the things in the irack" Oct 22 08:48:54 "I hear what you're saying, and the answer is no." Oct 22 08:49:18 And now I must disappear myself Oct 22 08:49:23 * freakout goes to do washing up Oct 22 08:49:34 I love the mac startup sound on everything Oct 22 08:50:02 and the new product at the end Oct 22 08:50:02 lol Oct 22 08:50:09 it was just too perfecet Oct 22 08:50:10 the irun Oct 22 08:50:11 hahah Oct 22 08:50:14 iran* Oct 22 08:50:19 yes Oct 22 08:50:20 iran Oct 22 08:50:25 "my bad" Oct 22 08:50:30 srsly Oct 22 08:50:31 wtf Oct 22 08:50:33 get it straight Oct 22 08:50:34 lol Oct 22 08:50:41 * oil goes to sleepo Oct 22 08:50:45 later Oct 22 08:50:47 me too Oct 22 09:22:54 morning Oct 22 10:12:01 rwhitby: ping Oct 22 10:15:08 rwhitby: http://www.dbtrunk.com/webospatchupload.php Oct 22 10:15:10 it's done. Oct 22 10:15:42 It accepts what the user puts in and then creates a tarball and emails it to me Oct 22 10:15:49 it creates the Makefile as well Oct 22 10:16:02 it only allows a user to submit the form 1 time per 15 minutes Oct 22 10:16:43 title, descript, patch file, category, at least one webos ver, maintainer are all required. Oct 22 10:16:52 patch file cannot be larger than 250KB Oct 22 10:17:33 im going to bed Oct 22 10:17:47 if you have any questions about it, email me: dbsooner@dbtrunk.com Oct 22 10:18:01 or just test it out Oct 22 10:18:15 the tarball is emailed to: webOS-Patches@dbtrunk.com Oct 22 10:18:29 which is a mailing group address that sends a copy to me and to egaudet Oct 22 10:19:05 that's all.. good night. (I am only going to get an hour and a half Oct 22 10:25:01 anyone here? Oct 22 10:58:07 Q: Is http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches still the current instructions for *creating* a patch? Oct 22 11:01:08 yes Oct 22 11:02:41 So I need openssh and quilt. Don't seem to have /opt/bin/openssh-ssh so it must not be installed. Hmm. Quick way to tell whether or not I need optware bootstrap? Oct 22 11:03:05 ipkg-opt list ? Oct 22 11:03:10 ipkg-opt list_installed ? Oct 22 11:04:23 Should it list "optware"? Or does the fact that it runs mean that I already have optware? Oct 22 11:08:08 Actually, I can do all this from the emulator without worrying about what's already on my phone. Thanks. Oct 22 11:12:52 lordbah: yes, emulator is best for creating patches Oct 22 12:00:49 New Package Manager Service released. See the Changelog for details. Oct 22 12:10:52 rwhitby: ping Oct 22 12:15:26 stefan_schmidt: all binary then? any relation to gobe? Oct 22 12:15:47 tmzt: looks really more like an implementation of rfc1662 Oct 22 12:15:52 stefan_schmidt: pong Oct 22 12:16:03 which is? Oct 22 12:16:26 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1662.txt Oct 22 12:16:29 rwhitby: just got your pre :) Oct 22 12:16:33 there's a gobe driver on codeaurora.org under projects Oct 22 12:16:40 tmzt: HDLC framing for encapsulated PPP Oct 22 12:16:45 stefan_schmidt: nice. all pixels good? Oct 22 12:16:45 ok Oct 22 12:16:53 tmzt: it really looks different but I will have another look Oct 22 12:16:58 for the commands too? Oct 22 12:17:09 rwhitby: yup, tested oin the shop. Mechanics are fine as well Oct 22 12:17:13 so some custom lcp or l1 protocolr on ppp? Oct 22 12:17:18 rwhitby: Like me to register it now? Oct 22 12:17:45 tmzt: we need to find out about this :) Oct 22 12:18:05 tmzt: could be that they use the same OP codes for commands just in another protocol Oct 22 12:18:24 possible Oct 22 12:18:40 and it's not qualcomm DM? Oct 22 12:18:57 that would be some hdlc but no channels Oct 22 12:21:22 tmzt: Does that have sync, config, empty config and ack packets? Oct 22 12:21:30 tmzt: That much we identified here already Oct 22 12:22:44 don't think so Oct 22 12:22:54 maybe I read your dump wrong Oct 22 12:23:07 or part of it was diag commands Oct 22 12:23:40 on a different port Oct 22 12:25:46 omg omg omg Oct 22 12:25:52 my Pre is already in Australia Oct 22 12:25:56 :) :) Oct 22 12:26:04 and now back to your normal programming. ahem Oct 22 12:28:04 I've got a problem. Everytime I start Preware, my Pre slows down to a crawl and then resets after some minutes. Should this be possible? Any idea what could be broken? Everything worked just fine yesterday... Oct 22 12:30:03 tmzt: the dump to the mail was all from the /dev/moemuart port Oct 22 12:30:17 ok Oct 22 12:30:18 used for telephony signaling and gps Oct 22 12:35:15 freakout: stefan_schmidt is testing my Pre right now Oct 22 12:35:36 rwhitby: Oz SIM? Oct 22 12:35:56 rwhitby: or just the hardware? Oct 22 12:36:10 freakout: just the hardware, with his sim, but my testing Palm profile Oct 22 12:37:12 rwhitby: cool bananas. If it gets delivered tomorrow i'll be testing Optus and Vodafone, will test Telstra and 3 on saturday Oct 22 12:37:50 stefan_schmidt: it's possible they encapsulate diag in that hdlc Oct 22 12:38:05 also possible they use pdapi for gps like on msm Oct 22 12:38:07 tmzt: could be, no idea Oct 22 12:38:14 freakout: I'm on vodafone here. Oct 22 12:38:33 well, if you have a framed version can you post it to the email? Oct 22 12:38:59 rwhitby: I think Vodafone might be the one that's going to work. Vodafone international seems to have worked in all other countries thus far Oct 22 12:39:03 tmzt: no fso yet. Just protocol research Oct 22 12:39:24 okay Oct 22 12:39:43 can wireshark read it? I guess not Oct 22 12:39:49 Interesting - looks like you can't be logged into your Palm profile on two phones at once. Oct 22 12:40:09 It's telling me the app catalog is unavailable, probably cause stefan_schmidt just used the same profile on my new phone. Oct 22 12:42:25 rwhitby: interesting. That would suck for somebody whose Pre got stolen... Oct 22 12:42:49 freakout: I haven't tried logging in to the profile again here. maybe it will ping pong Oct 22 12:52:11 an interesting bit is that the contacts with your profile offer linked while 1.1.2 which the phone runs does not offer this Oct 22 12:52:22 At least we don't have it yet in .de :) Oct 22 12:54:50 freakout: there is an "I Lost My Phone" button on the Palm web management page. It's currently showing two phones attached to my testing profle. Oct 22 12:55:41 "Profile Already Active" - it recognises you are changing phones. Oct 22 12:56:15 and advises you to do a backup on the old phone before continuing the sign-in Oct 22 13:01:00 once I've signed in, the other phone gets a notification that it is no longer in the profile and should restart Oct 22 13:01:11 I can get into the app catalog again once I've signed in. Oct 22 13:01:35 Now stefan_schmidt will try and ping-pong it back to the other phone. Oct 22 13:02:10 * freakout is watching with great interest Oct 22 13:07:01 freakout: has your Pre been activated in Germany? Oct 22 13:07:18 or is it direct from factory without being turned on yet? Oct 22 13:07:27 rwhitby: nope. straight from the store. I intend to meta-doctor if it doesn't work Oct 22 13:07:55 freakout: it would be interesting to use meta-doctor first, and see if it can be activated over wifi only Oct 22 13:08:23 lol Oct 22 13:08:38 which experiment is of greater value to the Palm community, do you think? Oct 22 13:08:48 Activation via Australian SIM, or activation via wi-fi only? Oct 22 13:09:08 genuine question. I'm happy to go either way Oct 22 13:09:27 If activation by wifi works, and then SIM voice and data work later, then everyone is happy. Oct 22 13:09:44 Good point. Okeydoke, meta-doctor it is Oct 22 13:10:15 rwhitby: I expect you to be on standby for troubleshooting if my commandline prowess is not up to scratch ;) Oct 22 13:10:15 Good thing I back-ported the doctor to 1.1.3 ... Oct 22 13:10:21 yes, indeed Oct 22 13:10:29 freakout: you can do the doctor in advance Oct 22 13:10:43 although I think I'm going to upgrade it straight to 1.2.1 once activated Oct 22 13:10:59 rwhitby: good point. I'm going to reboot into Ubuntu now Oct 22 13:11:44 freakout: make all will get you all three meta-doctor images, as long as you have all three original doctor images in the downloads directory Oct 22 13:17:43 okay, gitting now Oct 22 13:17:45 freakout: stefan_schmidt says he just needed to reboot and log in and then app catalog was working again Oct 22 13:18:18 simple as. excellent Oct 22 13:18:35 freakout: you need the files webosdoctorp100eww-wr-1.1.3.jar, webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo-1.2.1.jar and webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.2.1.jar in the downloads dir Oct 22 13:19:06 gotcha Oct 22 13:19:12 rwhitby: btw, shoragan and /me would like to get an account for git.webos-internals.org for the re tools Oct 22 13:19:13 hmm. has the meta-doctor repository changed? Oct 22 13:19:16 you can get them all from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Oct 22 13:19:19 I got a 403 error trying to clone Oct 22 13:19:42 stefan_schmidt: please send preferred virtual usernames and ssh keys for gitorious to me Oct 22 13:20:02 rwhitby: ok, will do later this day Oct 22 13:20:10 (it's all done as 'git', but I store the keys using the name. I'd like an email address for both too) Oct 22 13:20:45 freakout: git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git ? Oct 22 13:21:06 rwhitby: sure, using the same setup here on different projects as well Oct 22 13:21:06 yep, got it. i used the http link, stupid me Oct 22 13:21:18 stefan_schmidt: I mean gitosis, not gitorious. Oct 22 13:21:54 stefan_schmidt: and preferred repository name too. Oct 22 13:22:21 rwhitby: (gitosis) here as well :) Oct 22 13:22:36 stefan_schmidt: that is why I use it :-) Oct 22 13:28:17 heh. Trying to download 3 doctors simultaneously takes 20mins apparently Oct 22 13:34:06 * rwhitby bbt Oct 22 13:34:32 night rod Oct 22 13:34:35 freakout: "make all" should just work. you might need zip and unzip installed if they are not already. Oct 22 13:34:44 * freakout nods Oct 22 13:34:47 thanks! Oct 22 13:35:02 I'll be around tomorrow for the unboxing. Oct 22 13:35:21 so long as it arrives tomorrow, lol. and there might not be anyone home to sign for it... could be modnay Oct 22 13:35:25 * freakout hopes not Oct 22 13:37:08 I always get my stuff sent to work. Oct 22 13:37:39 night all. Oct 22 13:50:17 egaudet, rwhitby: ping Oct 22 13:52:27 dBsooner-work: rwhitby went to bed about twenty minutes ago man ;) Oct 22 13:52:55 1am here in the wonderful land of Oz Oct 22 13:52:55 * freakout is about to hit the hay himself Oct 22 13:52:55 sucks Oct 22 13:53:18 so you all are at midnight-thirty rightnow? Oct 22 13:53:34 or almost 1 Oct 22 13:54:01 actually rwhitby's in Adelaide so it'd be 12.23 for him... but yeah, it's late. Oct 22 13:54:36 me, i'm using the meta-doctor to make some customer meta-doctoring in prep for my Pre arriving soon :) Oct 22 13:54:37 yeah.. I thought he was 15.5 hours ahead of me Oct 22 13:55:07 lol Oct 22 13:55:09 bah. that sentence was so wrong Oct 22 13:55:17 I see what you meant Oct 22 13:55:43 * dBsooner-work is mad at rwhitby for not trying out dBsooner's script for patch submissions. Oct 22 13:56:01 lol Oct 22 13:56:18 It'll be the weekend in two days. he'll have no excuse ;) Oct 22 13:56:51 nah Oct 22 13:56:52 I'm launching it today Oct 22 13:57:31 I was up all night making sure it worked. Oct 22 13:57:51 dBsooner-work: Good to launch? Oct 22 13:57:53 http://www.dbtrunk.com/webospatchupload.php Oct 22 13:58:17 it's fully functional Oct 22 13:58:26 I am going to add a couple things to it, but it's good. Oct 22 13:58:44 excellent. good work! Oct 22 13:59:45 what you see there is basic Oct 22 13:59:54 what it does behind the scenes is amazing. ;) Oct 22 14:00:18 * freakout envisions a steampunk thinking engine Oct 22 14:01:05 lol Oct 22 14:02:37 It creates the actual Makefile for the build script. It will fill in the necessary parts of the Makefile based on user input. Like the ICON for example, if the user doesn't upload an ICON, the script will default to use the default ICON for the category. Oct 22 14:02:47 tars it all up Oct 22 14:02:51 emails it to me Oct 22 14:03:11 lol Oct 22 14:03:29 So you will become the Apple App Store reviewer equivalent for webOS patching? ;) Oct 22 14:03:30 plus it has security features Oct 22 14:03:43 like you can only submit the form once every 15 mins Oct 22 14:04:12 well, as secure as it needs to be... bases it on the IP address. Oct 22 14:04:46 that is extremely cool dBsooner-work. I would blog about it if it wasn't so freaking late here. I'm off to bed now... Oct 22 14:04:51 night all Oct 22 14:04:57 lol Oct 22 14:04:58 night Oct 22 14:19:08 got my hidden conversation to work by delteing everything from com_palm_messaging_data_ChatThread ... there were multiple entries for the contact that wouldn't show up. Oct 22 14:19:11 irritating problem Oct 22 14:19:18 I'd document it on the wiki, but it was so heavy handed... Oct 22 14:42:51 How can I make a screenshot on the pre or the emulator? Oct 22 14:44:42 if you press right-ctrl 2x while the emulator is in focus, it will release the keys and you can do a regular screen capture Oct 22 14:45:25 Ok, so it's not supported by webos Oct 22 14:45:49 isnt screenshots control sym p? Oct 22 14:46:04 probably, never taken a device screenshot :D Oct 22 14:46:11 heh Oct 22 14:52:52 "Unedited Left 4 Dead 2 refused Aussie classification for second time" Oct 22 14:53:03 aww, now rwhitby will have to kill zombies in an edited manner Oct 22 14:53:18 on pre it's Orange+Sym+P Oct 22 14:56:14 oh, holy shit Oct 22 14:56:18 what other secret keys are there? Oct 22 15:05:18 ahh, excellent. orange+sym+p Oct 22 15:05:26 thanks Oct 22 15:05:40 orange+sym+r reboots the phone Oct 22 15:06:01 I was waiting for soemone to say that in response to: Oct 22 15:06:04 [10:56] what other secret keys are there? Oct 22 15:09:07 sorry - i was doing work :( Oct 22 15:10:17 heh Oct 22 15:12:25 is it possible to write curly braces in the terminal? Oct 22 15:13:06 good question Oct 22 15:13:16 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal I dont see it listed there Oct 22 15:13:22 I think I'll have to write a patch Oct 22 15:13:45 what do you need curly braces for Oct 22 15:14:08 i think luna-send likes curly braces Oct 22 15:14:21 yeah :) Oct 22 15:14:43 what are you using luna-send for Oct 22 15:14:47 egaudet_work: and please don't ask me what I need them for. They are in ASCII Oct 22 15:14:55 and pretty common in technical stuff Oct 22 15:15:02 wow Oct 22 15:15:07 I was curious but nevermind now Oct 22 15:15:13 :) Oct 22 15:15:19 e: remember, hard to tell tone in text :) Oct 22 15:15:26 Just wanted to try the gps service Oct 22 15:15:31 yeah Oct 22 15:15:45 egaudet_work: I didn't mean to be too rude ;) Oct 22 15:15:50 so you assume harsh tone? Oct 22 15:15:51 just a little Oct 22 15:16:21 heh, when I first read it, it did kinda come across as the typical defensive "what the heck would you ever need that for anyway" Oct 22 15:16:32 but like I said, hard to tell tone as we know :) Oct 22 15:16:48 I know it's hard to tell tone, just interesting that a simple question comes off in a negative tone by default Oct 22 15:17:26 but anyway, just put some environment variables in your default shell so you can use them in terminal for a workaround Oct 22 15:22:12 Wann test my game? It's still in early development, but comments are welcome http://hcl-club.lu/~enigma/files/code/com.sepi.cave_1.0.0_all.ipk Oct 22 15:22:39 what kind of game it is? Oct 22 15:22:58 en0x: similar to the sfcave game for palmos Oct 22 15:23:02 arcade style Oct 22 15:23:04 i see Oct 22 15:29:36 egaudet_work: ping Oct 22 15:40:30 dBsooner-work syn/ack Oct 22 15:53:44 hi Oct 22 15:59:10 egaudet_work: re-ping Oct 22 16:04:03 dBsooner-work Oct 22 16:04:08 :) Oct 22 16:04:37 It's done.. except for "MAYBE" adding an optional "zip" file upload for those patches that need to replace images. Oct 22 16:04:54 egaudet_work, remind me to get you a correct description of the clean messenger patch as the one that is currently on it seems to be causing a bit of confusion with some people Oct 22 16:05:02 I also am going to tweak the tarball creation errors. Oct 22 16:05:29 if there are errors in the tarball creation, right now it just tells the user what completed and what didn't. Oct 22 16:06:09 I am going to make it go back to the form if it errors and just email me/us all the variables and what happened. Oct 22 16:06:37 no Oct 22 16:06:48 I don't want any errors Oct 22 16:06:51 emailed to me Oct 22 16:07:02 and what tarball creation? Oct 22 16:07:09 the user will just see "Error during submission. Please re-submit. If this is your second or third attempt, please contact " Oct 22 16:07:11 and the .zip for image replacement needs postinst_extra and prerm_extra Oct 22 16:07:16 lol Oct 22 16:07:28 acydlord, what's wrong with the descript Oct 22 16:08:14 lemme pull it up real quick Oct 22 16:09:32 also I don't understand this "delayed" message bug Oct 22 16:09:36 could you explain it to me? Oct 22 16:11:47 when an sms is sent from the phone, if the network is unable to send it the phone tries to resend the sms at a set interval Oct 22 16:12:15 on device it shows an exclamation point in the message, then when the message is sent completely it shows a timestamp for when it is sent Oct 22 16:12:32 stupid webchat Oct 22 16:12:39 what happened after: Oct 22 16:12:40 [11:07] and the .zip for image replacement needs postinst_extra and prerm_extra [11:07] <+dBsooner-work> lol [11:07] <+dBsooner-work> then i'll just email myself the errors. Oct 22 16:12:43 but with my patch installed the timestamp stays from when the phone origionally tried to send, not the actual sent time Oct 22 16:14:41 egaudet_work: Basically I create a tarball of all the stuff and email it to webOS-Patches@dbtrunk.com Oct 22 16:14:53 that email address is a mailing group to which you and I are a member. Oct 22 16:14:57 so it emails a copy to both of us. Oct 22 16:15:34 sepi: you don't need curly braces to use luna-send if you're sending a null set like {} -- in that case you can just replace the "{}" with "0" or something. if you actually need to send a formatted json object there, then yeah,.that's an issue. if you want to contribute a fix to add keys to terminal, it would be appreciated. I've been meaning to add a bunch of stuff to it but have been slacking :) Oct 22 16:17:01 I'll have a look at it later I guess Oct 22 16:17:30 infobot, pastebin? Oct 22 16:17:32 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Oct 22 16:18:19 acydlord, oh so it's timestamp on SENDING that is the bug? Oct 22 16:18:32 and on receiving Oct 22 16:18:42 well depending on the version of the patch Oct 22 16:18:57 the older version the incoming text is shown in local time when the phone received it Oct 22 16:19:13 the latest version shows incomming texts in source time Oct 22 16:19:25 I have the clean timestamps patch on mine, and I received a text 3 hours after my brother sent it, but the timestamp was correct Oct 22 16:19:46 http://pastebin.ca/1637610 Oct 22 16:19:55 dBsooner-work, yea keep errors away from me :P Oct 22 16:20:01 blah Oct 22 16:20:02 you suck Oct 22 16:20:19 want to give the script some test runs? Oct 22 16:20:31 just have them email you if they can't get it to work Oct 22 16:20:39 yeah egaudet_work you have the latest version, the bug only affects incomming messages now Oct 22 16:20:52 acydlord, that was an incoming message... Oct 22 16:20:53 sepi: to be honest I kind of figured we'd be on to the next generation terminal (something directfb-based, perhaps) by now but it looks like terminal may be the leading app for what it does for a while, so I guess I should start looking at some of the requests for enhancement. :) Oct 22 16:21:04 sorry, i meant outgoing Oct 22 16:21:13 k Oct 22 16:21:31 i'm using the function that uses carrier time for incoming messages Oct 22 16:21:46 well for outgoing, we want the timestamp of when it actually sent not the timestamp of when it tried to send right? Oct 22 16:22:20 correct Oct 22 16:22:35 dBsooner-work I'll do some test sends of it after work Oct 22 16:22:57 blah.. by then it will be in full production Oct 22 16:23:01 I am going to post about it at lunch Oct 22 16:23:01 the method i'm using to display timestamps is actually a hack of the error reporting system for the messenger Oct 22 16:23:39 Im still missing what the issue is with outgoing? Oct 22 16:23:55 outgoing shows attempted send time instead of actual send time Oct 22 16:23:59 i must say, i SHOCKED nobody bought the $50 or any of the $20 dictionaries Oct 22 16:24:03 acydlord, ahh ok Oct 22 16:24:16 so if the message gets delays or rejected you dont know if/when it was really sent Oct 22 16:24:29 I'm actually kind of surprised that terminal (the first homebrew plugin-based app) is still the only homebrew plugin-based app Oct 22 16:24:40 * oil is too Oct 22 16:25:36 internalz is plugin based as well is it not? Oct 22 16:25:48 service Oct 22 16:25:48 no Oct 22 16:26:35 hopefully the vkb will be plugin eventually Oct 22 16:28:08 egaudet_work: oh? I could see a hidd plugin there but wouldn't have thought browser plugin would help much for vkb Oct 22 16:29:35 I haven't done much work on hidd in the past few weeks, need to make some time for that too Oct 22 16:29:46 so little to do, so much time. wait. strike that -- reverse it. Oct 22 16:32:14 well I don't know I haven't actually put real thought into it, definitely hidd plugin to send key events would be optimal. But I thought maybe as a browser plugin it could get away from the frameworks version lock, maybe performance increase as well? Oct 22 16:33:07 yea we need longer days :P Oct 22 16:38:16 lunch, bbl Oct 22 16:41:43 take me to lunch Oct 22 17:00:39 +egaudet: i need to ask you something about the launcher patches, if you have a minute. Oct 22 17:18:17 what happens if two patches edit the same file? or if i manually edit a patched file? Oct 22 17:23:07 preston: as long as two patches don't touch the same lines, then it's fine. Oct 22 17:23:17 or as long as a patch doesn't touch a line you have edited. Oct 22 17:26:27 ok. i changed one line of launcher-assistant.js, but even though that line wasn't changed by the patch, i still got an error. Oct 22 17:27:09 what line did you change Oct 22 17:27:15 and what patch are you installing? Oct 22 17:28:20 i changed the line "kQuickLaunchHeight 67;" and tried to install the 4x4 icons patch. Oct 22 17:30:05 i think it was line 11 Oct 22 17:30:40 v1,2 or 3? Oct 22 17:31:04 v3 Oct 22 17:31:31 yep, that patch keys off that line Oct 22 17:31:33 so you'll have to change it back to be able to install the patch Oct 22 17:31:42 ok Oct 22 17:32:02 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/blobs/master/app-launcher/app-launcher-4x4-icons-v3.patch Oct 22 17:33:03 is there any way to make another patch to edit that line, but still be compatible with other patches? Oct 22 17:33:22 no Oct 22 17:33:51 you would have to make your 4x4 patch modify that line Oct 22 17:33:57 bummer. i made a sweet discovery and wanted to get it out there. i guess it will just have to be a manual thing Oct 22 17:34:28 even if you install the 4x4 patch THEN change the line, you won't be able to UNINSTALL the patch. Oct 22 17:34:42 because a patch uninstall does patch -p1 -R Oct 22 17:34:46 for -REVERSE it Oct 22 17:36:03 the only way i got it to work was installing patch, editing line. then reversing whole procedure to undo it. Oct 22 17:36:19 yrah Oct 22 17:36:24 that is how you would have to Oct 22 17:36:33 manually change that line back before uninstalling Oct 22 17:37:41 i was just hoping that i was missing something to make it compatible. I finally got rid of the quick launch bar and wanted it to be as accessible as the other patches. Oct 22 17:39:02 i mean accessible for other users. i don't really mind the extra effort. Oct 22 17:40:04 whatta nice guy Oct 22 17:44:45 The package mgr service has an update, can i simply updates it or do i need to do anything special like remove the previous version, etc? Oct 22 17:44:58 preston, you might be able to insert a new line elsewhere that changes the value of kQuickLaunchHeight after it's already created - so it doesn't conflict with the other patch Oct 22 17:45:28 perhaps in the initialize section Oct 22 17:50:15 anyone? is updating pkg mgr safe? Oct 22 17:50:28 sure Oct 22 17:50:40 ty Oct 22 17:52:08 preston, I like samk1's suggestion. Redefine the variable later in a spot that is not involved in the 4x4 patch's context Oct 22 17:52:49 ok. is there someplace i can go for a little guidance on creating this? i'm not exactly an expert. Oct 22 17:53:08 creating the .patch file? Oct 22 17:55:18 this. kQuickLaunchHeight=1; Oct 22 17:56:06 Flashpass: Just try things. We don't release stuff that hasn't been thought through. If it says "update", press it. ;) We wouldn't put the UPDATE button there if it didn't do anything. We at least tell you what you need to do if it doesn't do it automatically (i.e. patches). Oct 22 17:56:29 can a patch also replace quick_launch_bg.png? Oct 22 17:57:05 preston: yes. Oct 22 17:57:10 preston: you won't "rename" it persay.. Oct 22 17:57:40 preston: But with an ipk install, we can specify to have a given png file replaced using postinst_extra data Oct 22 17:57:58 * Mousey thinks . o O ( update all, otoh ) Oct 22 17:58:02 ^_^ Oct 22 17:58:13 s/this. kQuickLaunchHeight=1;/this.kQuickLaunchHeight=1;/ Oct 22 17:59:07 What am I hungry for? Oct 22 18:00:56 sushi Oct 22 18:01:32 yuck Oct 22 18:01:38 not when I work outside all day Oct 22 18:02:59 hehehe Oct 22 18:03:18 get windows 7 burger Oct 22 18:03:37 http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/burger-king-selling-a-windows-7-whopper-in-japan/ Oct 22 18:04:38 +dBsooner-work: Thanks for the info, however, got burned "just trying things" and installing 2 themes lol Oct 22 18:05:01 bazinga Oct 22 18:05:23 didn't even install the first theme actually, cancelled out of it :/ Oct 22 18:05:32 aye.. but we have said all along, themes are BAD. Oct 22 18:05:48 speaking of which, I wonder if oil has fixed my bug yet.. Oct 22 18:06:12 Right, I'm new to the pre, haven't exactly been here through those warnings :/ Oct 22 18:06:20 lol Oct 22 18:06:38 we should make that pop-up in preware when you press "themes"... "THEMES ARE BAD!" Oct 22 18:06:40 :D Oct 22 18:06:58 themes r gay Oct 22 18:06:58 :p Oct 22 18:07:06 haha, well at very least detect a theme already being installed with a warning or something would be nice Oct 22 18:07:07 might as well put the same warning on patches Oct 22 18:07:27 or yeah the warning alone Oct 22 18:07:36 as a warning I want a naked picture of megan fox Oct 22 18:07:36 :D Oct 22 18:07:41 haha Oct 22 18:07:58 oil: nah Oct 22 18:08:00 then probably i would forget about what patch i was about to install Oct 22 18:08:02 oil: patches are GOOD Oct 22 18:08:02 and gave up Oct 22 18:08:29 itl be a picture of PuffTheMagic_ beating down an old lady with a keyboard Oct 22 18:08:29 Flashpass: only problem with detecting if one is installed is that there is no "universal" way of knowing Oct 22 18:08:43 No! Not AM! Oct 22 18:08:54 detecting and failing should be a packages job Oct 22 18:08:57 not the installers Oct 22 18:09:00 preware shows the themes as installed though, right? Oct 22 18:10:02 oil: do you know if the ipkg service got fixed for if the user hits "cancel" at the script warning, it doesn't do ipkg -o /var remove? Oct 22 18:10:02 idk Oct 22 18:10:06 thats a service thing Oct 22 18:10:07 talk to rwhitby Oct 22 18:10:09 Flashpass: yes, because the package is installed Oct 22 18:10:19 * oil punts Oct 22 18:10:20 Flashpass: but not all themes are installed via packages. Oct 22 18:10:49 Flashpass: again, it goes back to no universal way of installing/detecting themes Oct 22 18:11:05 Ah, so some themes installed through preware would not show in the "installed" list? Oct 22 18:11:17 no, they do Oct 22 18:11:20 no Oct 22 18:11:24 all themes installed by preware show Oct 22 18:11:32 themes installed by other methods would not Oct 22 18:11:32 but preware isn't the only installer Oct 22 18:12:01 I mean, I just suggested a warning, either if one has been installed through preware, or just everytime - does that sound like a bad idea or something? Oct 22 18:12:01 And just in case you all cared.. I decided on A&W. Oct 22 18:12:28 im not a fan of adding anything per-package-type to preware Oct 22 18:12:35 Flashpass: great idea. But untill we get a universal way of installing themes (packaging them) it's not really feasible. Oct 22 18:12:39 as soon as i do one, every other package type will need something specific Oct 22 18:13:12 oh come on oil.., you need to develop more Oct 22 18:13:16 no Oct 22 18:13:17 no i dont Oct 22 18:13:31 my app got rejected by palm Oct 22 18:13:31 PuffTheMagic IRC service D: Oct 22 18:13:37 because i didn't include any useless crap Oct 22 18:13:43 what app did you develop? Oct 22 18:13:50 i had to add more useless crap for them to accept it Oct 22 18:14:23 tlp: i've developed all sorts of apps Oct 22 18:14:25 blocked? Oct 22 18:14:25 a devs work is never done. Oct 22 18:14:31 oil: the one that got rejected Oct 22 18:14:34 blocked Oct 22 18:14:53 yeah, what I thought. Oct 22 18:14:56 Did you tell palm to shove it? Oct 22 18:15:05 that what they were asking for is "useless"? Oct 22 18:15:05 but now the current version meets all the requirements says christine Oct 22 18:15:27 but yet tthey accept a frickin $50 dictionary? Oct 22 18:15:27 they required "edit" items in all the app menus Oct 22 18:15:46 that is so dumb Oct 22 18:15:46 even though there isn't a single thing to copy, or a single text field to paste into in the entire app Oct 22 18:15:46 every frickin scene needed it Oct 22 18:15:47 i personally hate those edit menus being there Oct 22 18:15:48 oil: so you can cut and paste into the game? yay Oct 22 18:15:49 weird Oct 22 18:15:49 they take up too much damn room Oct 22 18:15:50 which is just disabled in every scene Oct 22 18:16:05 its completely pointless and confusing to the end user Oct 22 18:16:07 but, whatever Oct 22 18:16:10 oil: wtf Oct 22 18:16:17 it took all of 2 minutes for me to add them Oct 22 18:16:24 what app are you submitting? Oct 22 18:16:30 blocked Oct 22 18:16:34 blocked Oct 22 18:16:35 :D Oct 22 18:16:35 oil: there's a reason the SDK lets you disable the default menus Oct 22 18:16:37 aah Oct 22 18:16:44 yeah, so you can remove useless crap Oct 22 18:16:45 oil: that's just ridiculous Oct 22 18:16:48 but, palm likes that useless crap Oct 22 18:16:52 apparently Oct 22 18:16:54 he's trying to raise money to by the $50 dictionary in the App Catalog. Oct 22 18:16:55 right oil? Oct 22 18:16:59 right Oct 22 18:17:17 or the $15 tip calculator Oct 22 18:17:19 instead of race to the bottom we have useless shiny expensive things. Oct 22 18:17:44 oh, and my sub-help scenes needed to have the help menu enabled to potentially throw the user into a loop Oct 22 18:17:58 hahah! Oct 22 18:18:03 help for help of help for help Oct 22 18:18:05 :D Oct 22 18:18:06 right Oct 22 18:18:09 oil: right, because when I'm in a help scene, I want to launch another instance of it inside that Oct 22 18:18:14 right Oct 22 18:18:16 who doesnt Oct 22 18:18:24 Shoot, I need hepl for using help. Oct 22 18:18:34 and those were really the only things the reviewer had a problem with Oct 22 18:18:35 I mean.. come on.. it's elementary. Everyone needs to get help with help. Oct 22 18:18:44 not enough crap to make it suck more like the apps they've already got Oct 22 18:18:49 oil: then you go meet the reviewer.. Oct 22 18:18:49 oil: I think the reviewers have a checklist and don't understand what is on it Oct 22 18:18:56 idk Oct 22 18:19:00 and come to find out they are a kid who can';t even proram Oct 22 18:19:03 oh, and my app isn't good on the pici Oct 22 18:19:06 pixi(* Oct 22 18:19:08 they told me that too Oct 22 18:19:12 destinal: I completely agree. Oct 22 18:19:13 but that doesn't stop it from being accepted Oct 22 18:19:19 oil: did you try it on a 400px emulator? Oct 22 18:19:25 no Oct 22 18:19:33 i already knew my two games in teh catalog are fail at that height Oct 22 18:19:41 i have to sniff the height and change them to work Oct 22 18:20:02 very easy to edit the emulator vbox xml to change your screen height Oct 22 18:20:34 yeah Oct 22 18:20:40 they have directions on their site Oct 22 18:20:43 the following addons don't work: visible keyboard with double tap and percentage number by battery power Oct 22 18:20:46 ah, didn't know that Oct 22 18:20:48 but, it also depends on which reviewer you get Oct 22 18:20:54 can anyone help me get these to work? Oct 22 18:20:57 when i submitted dotgame Oct 22 18:21:03 there was no need for editmenu or looping help scene Oct 22 18:21:24 i bet thats why my update that fixes a bug has been sitting there for 12 days Oct 22 18:21:31 they're going to ask me to add edit menues Oct 22 18:21:58 that's like "review for vehicle safety" for a new vehicle to get on the road, and some checklist says, ensure that all four tires have proper safety features, and you try to get a motorcycle reviewed and they tell you that you fail because you don't have four tires Oct 22 18:22:12 right Oct 22 18:22:15 and: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744#Emulator-ChangingEmulatorResolution Oct 22 18:23:54 is it hard to create an ipk for a patch? Oct 22 18:24:11 destinal: there'a movie about that by mike judge Oct 22 18:24:13 oil: you know the new guys in charge of the developer relations stuff? one of them posted his phone number for jwz to call him. you should find the number and tell them about this Oct 22 18:26:43 Mike Judge rocks Oct 22 18:26:53 ttoo bad king of the hill is over now Oct 22 18:26:55 sad: http://jwz.livejournal.com/1108212.html Oct 22 18:28:48 I'm not going to go into fanboy mode and disagree, all the things he points out are legitimate criticisms Oct 22 18:28:48 destinal: thats dumb Oct 22 18:29:14 they are.. but then again.. it was never licensed as "mac friendly" Oct 22 18:29:18 so rule that one out Oct 22 18:29:18 destinal: meaning if we only have rules and proceedures we will destroy are selves Oct 22 18:29:28 I used to own an iphone and the speed is way better. Oct 22 18:29:36 destinal: i don't really care about it that much Oct 22 18:29:36 ourselves, (some rules are worth following) Oct 22 18:29:41 destinal: did you own a 3gs? Oct 22 18:29:50 nope, original/2g also, not being able to sync with pc's directly, sucks Oct 22 18:30:15 dictating that you have to join the cloud is a bad bad move Oct 22 18:30:58 oil: yeah those of us that are here, are mostly ok with the pre's drawbacks, but they can be really frustrating to others, and I totally get that Oct 22 18:31:57 I agree with the forcing to join the cloud Oct 22 18:32:04 I absolutely despise that. Oct 22 18:32:11 I have an exchange server for a reason. Oct 22 18:33:29 destinal: i was talking about actually calling someone to complain about the edit menu Oct 22 18:33:29 lol Oct 22 18:34:28 as far as jwz's post Oct 22 18:34:37 i don't use the calendar, or the camera, really Oct 22 18:34:46 oil: heh, timing issues :) Oct 22 18:34:49 and the phone works enough for me to make and recieve calls, so, thats fine Oct 22 18:34:49 camera aint so bad Oct 22 18:34:59 u can take photos all the time Oct 22 18:35:07 even if the screen didnt refresh Oct 22 18:35:21 he is complaining about the icon tap - to - picture taken time Oct 22 18:35:23 being too long Oct 22 18:35:29 what do you guys do to get photos off of the pre? Oct 22 18:35:33 oil: you know what? other than pandora, there's nothing on the palm app catalog that makes me want to load it up (that I can't get on preware) Oct 22 18:35:43 oil: u can use space Oct 22 18:35:49 and hold it all the time and it takes one picture after another Oct 22 18:35:52 within second Oct 22 18:35:53 en0x: again, you missed what i said Oct 22 18:35:59 oil: yes :p Oct 22 18:36:00 icon tap to launch the camera app Oct 22 18:36:07 to have taken a picture Oct 22 18:36:14 yes i know Oct 22 18:36:14 hes complaining it takes too long to load Oct 22 18:36:16 but still Oct 22 18:36:28 15 seconds maybe Oct 22 18:36:29 i know it takes pics in pretty rapid succession Oct 22 18:36:34 en0x: it's just a dog-slow UI compared to iphone, especially for some things Oct 22 18:36:36 or so for sure not 30seconds Oct 22 18:36:42 yeah, its not enough for me to throw away my pre Oct 22 18:36:46 You want a delay on camera app.. Go get a winmo phone Oct 22 18:36:47 destinal: some things?! all things Oct 22 18:36:47 calendar is the biggest problem Oct 22 18:36:47 :) Oct 22 18:36:59 on a related note, does a patch exist which allows me to say hold a button on the phone and launch the camera app? Oct 22 18:37:00 You want a fast fast reaction, get a real digital camera. Oct 22 18:37:04 we could write a community backed complaint letter to palm :) Oct 22 18:37:04 well, its not slower once you open it Oct 22 18:37:07 i played with iphone u tap an icon Oct 22 18:37:08 en0x: heh, slower for all things, but some worse than others Oct 22 18:37:09 and leave it running, you know, in the background Oct 22 18:37:12 and the program is already loaded Oct 22 18:37:41 destinal: re: pandora, the only thing that pisses me off about it Oct 22 18:37:45 is the dashboard icon Oct 22 18:37:55 seems to lock up the pre whenever its being displayed or hiding Oct 22 18:38:06 i dont know what they're doing that freezes the whole thing Oct 22 18:38:13 the normal music app has no problem with it Oct 22 18:39:23 and, you should load the app catalog to go buy that $50 dictionary Oct 22 18:39:24 xD Oct 22 18:39:26 en0x: the only big issues with iphone to my mind are multitasking and keyboard Oct 22 18:39:58 and it's not a linux box :) Oct 22 18:40:25 and you have to jailbreak it Oct 22 18:40:31 oh, yeah that too. Oct 22 18:40:33 instead of typing the konami code and hitting a toggle Oct 22 18:40:34 my issue is keyboard Oct 22 18:40:36 lol Oct 22 18:40:37 and att Oct 22 18:40:43 and i like rooting for the underdog Oct 22 18:40:51 apple+att = evil empire Oct 22 18:41:08 nerds Oct 22 18:41:15 wrong window :) Oct 22 18:41:17 lol Oct 22 18:41:30 i think thats pretty much true in any irc channel Oct 22 18:41:48 i think in 1.3 we will have a huge speed boost Oct 22 18:41:48 ;) Oct 22 18:41:48 yeah Oct 22 18:41:59 they have to Oct 22 18:42:02 en0x: they're going to turn on the gpu Oct 22 18:42:02 or else.... Oct 22 18:42:06 xD Oct 22 18:42:13 haha Oct 22 18:42:15 and run js on the gpu ;) Oct 22 18:42:16 en0x: why do you think that? Oct 22 18:42:31 or just hoping lol Oct 22 18:42:34 they will have chinese ppl running under luna for speed Oct 22 18:42:39 lol that was racis Oct 22 18:42:45 s/chinese/moice Oct 22 18:42:48 mice* Oct 22 18:42:58 haha Oct 22 18:43:12 i'm just hoping Oct 22 18:43:17 optimizing luna Oct 22 18:43:20 has anyone tried to run android or an openmoko build on the pre? Oct 22 18:43:24 and maybe finally write in c++ Oct 22 18:43:25 :p Oct 22 18:43:27 not java crap Oct 22 18:43:30 * oil likes webos Oct 22 18:43:38 en0x: Luna is written in C Oct 22 18:43:44 s/C/C++/ Oct 22 18:43:44 destinal meant: en0x: Luna is written in C++ Oct 22 18:43:52 * oil doesnt want android or openmoko on his pre Oct 22 18:43:52 hmm somehing else is in java Oct 22 18:44:02 i knew it Oct 22 18:44:06 en0x: some back end services, not the cause of any performance issues in the GUI Oct 22 18:44:09 PuffTheMagic_ says hes going to rewrite all the java services in c Oct 22 18:44:10 but forgot and luna first came to my mind Oct 22 18:44:19 has anyone tried either the download limit patch or the fstat/swap ones and seen a performance increase? Oct 22 18:44:31 Flashpass: i didn't notice a crap Oct 22 18:44:32 oil: why in the world would he do that? Oct 22 18:44:42 cause he wants all 9000 of his emails on his pre Oct 22 18:44:48 and the email java service cuts you off at 1000 Oct 22 18:44:50 hehe Oct 22 18:44:50 he'll be working on it for years to get *all* Oct 22 18:45:01 lol Oct 22 18:45:03 do you know how many services there are? Oct 22 18:45:08 no, i dont Oct 22 18:45:12 i dont know if he said all Oct 22 18:45:14 it's immense Oct 22 18:45:18 there is that page on the wiki Oct 22 18:45:18 thats just me exaggerating Oct 22 18:45:26 afaik Oct 22 18:45:32 Looks like I seriously broke my Preware install. The package manager service seems to deinstall and reinstall fine, but the Preware installation either hangs or crashes, whether I use WOQI or the get.preware.org .jar or .exe. I'd like to avoid using WebOS doctor for now and I've still got the working terminal app on my Pre. Any idea what I could try to repair this? Where are the Preware installation files located? (So that I can manually remove them) Oct 22 18:45:43 IMO, I'm really considering dropping luna and going maemo Oct 22 18:45:50 en0x: which of the patches did you try? Oct 22 18:45:56 s/IMO/as for me/ Oct 22 18:45:57 destinal meant: as for me, I'm really considering dropping luna and going maemo Oct 22 18:46:00 most of them Oct 22 18:46:01 :p Oct 22 18:46:24 Flashpass: but the one fstab/ram is not giving u huge performance Oct 22 18:46:29 i cant even notice any Oct 22 18:46:32 destinal: yeah, seems nice, but then again, the question is if it's more usable than the pre Oct 22 18:46:52 en0x: damn, and the download patch? Oct 22 18:47:07 i think the cards thing is just awesome Oct 22 18:47:07 the videos I've seen of the N900 look pretty nice, and it's very similar hardware Oct 22 18:47:07 it feels so natural for a mobile phone Oct 22 18:47:10 Flashpass: didnt try Oct 22 18:47:51 and i would be shocked if more mobile os don't fallow the pres cards setup Oct 22 18:48:28 maemo have nice multitasking too Oct 22 18:48:31 err cards Oct 22 18:48:49 good ideas should be copied Oct 22 18:48:54 yap Oct 22 18:49:06 anyway maemon runs openoffice Oct 22 18:49:06 :) Oct 22 18:49:19 the os that nokia is working on Oct 22 18:49:30 cause being able to edit word and excel is super important for for my phone Oct 22 18:49:39 id rather not have that ability, so i can tell people to gtfo till i get to a pc Oct 22 18:49:58 lol Oct 22 18:51:01 are patches installed through wqi seen in preware? or are they not able to be identified? Oct 22 18:51:01 Hi, I need help. I trying to change to keyboard layout to write hebrew character - any ideas? Oct 22 18:51:17 they are seen Oct 22 18:51:25 nice Oct 22 18:51:39 that's what she said Oct 22 18:51:39 ;] Oct 22 18:51:47 hehehe Oct 22 18:52:15 im so booooored Oct 22 18:52:40 try the download limit patch :D Oct 22 18:53:05 i;m good Oct 22 18:53:44 boo Oct 22 18:54:11 why dont u install it Oct 22 18:54:20 well maybe i will! Oct 22 18:54:40 tthen do it Oct 22 18:54:43 dont be a chicken Oct 22 18:54:57 that sounds like a challenge Oct 22 18:59:46 hi all Oct 22 19:01:03 ive been having a strange issue with preware for the last week or so Oct 22 19:01:11 it just hangs on checking version Oct 22 19:02:39 theonetruedevo: The common reason seems to be one of the feeds not answering or something. Try to turn some of them off in the preferences. Oct 22 19:04:08 OrtwinR: interesting, there currently arent any feeds installed Oct 22 19:05:52 And it's still taking a long time checking version? Oct 22 19:06:04 yea Oct 22 19:06:16 and im on wifi, so it should be faster then evdo Oct 22 19:06:35 Does it sometimes reset the phone and do you get the too many cards notice? Because that's what happened to me... Oct 22 19:06:55 so I updated ipkgservice while I had themes feed disabled Oct 22 19:07:11 doesnt reset without me telling it to Oct 22 19:07:22 and the only time i got to many cards was when i had the browser going for over an hour Oct 22 19:07:43 that gave me a new themes' conf files (along with .disabled ones) causing precentral-themes and prethemer feeds to show up twice in preferences->feeds Oct 22 19:07:46 oil ^^ Oct 22 19:08:00 rwhitby ^^ Oct 22 19:08:00 Well, then you've got a different problem than me. Consider yourself lucky. ;) Oct 22 19:08:46 im thinking its reboot time Oct 22 19:09:50 hmm, wonder if i missed updating package manager service Oct 22 19:12:48 rebooting seemed to do the trip Oct 22 19:12:50 trick Oct 22 19:13:54 I'm just doing ipkg update and it hangs and say too many cards... Anyone got an idea how to solve that? If not, I guess it's Doctor time. :( Oct 22 19:14:06 close some cards? Oct 22 19:14:32 The only open card is the terminal card I'm running ipkg update from. Oct 22 19:14:46 reboot Oct 22 19:15:20 Just did that shortly before and haven't really done anything noteworthy since that. Oct 22 19:16:19 Either this is taking way more memory than it should or I'm short on memory somwhere but I haven't got a clue how that could be... Oct 22 19:17:03 reboot again Oct 22 19:17:03 :p Oct 22 19:17:26 I've rebooted way too often already... :D Oct 22 19:17:50 I even suspect an untimely reboot might be the source of my problem... Oct 22 19:18:43 return it Oct 22 19:18:46 and get new one Oct 22 19:18:53 maybe ram is corrupted Oct 22 19:19:01 I think it needs the doctor Oct 22 19:19:13 i think it need my magic fingers ;p Oct 22 19:19:16 Unlikely. Guess it's doctor time. Oct 22 19:23:11 someone have any Idea how to change the keyboard layout? Oct 22 19:35:33 Wow, the doctor is diplaying a HUGE USB symbol... :D Oct 22 19:36:23 good Oct 22 19:45:04 egaudet_work: Oct 22 19:47:50 ateamtip egaudet is the guy for the keyboard Oct 22 19:48:02 but the basic answer is, there is a json file that contains the keybindings Oct 22 19:48:06 that you can edit. Oct 22 19:48:29 unless you mean the graphics, in which case see any of several posts and examples about theming the VK Oct 22 19:49:00 unless you mean the PHYSICAL keyboard, in which case see rwhitby's recent posts about patching the keymapping files in the webos linux Oct 22 19:54:08 what if I want to change the graphics on the physical keyboard? huh! Oct 22 19:54:34 * mdklein looks around for some whiteout and a sharpie Oct 22 20:02:46 mdklein I would suggest an molded poly overlay. Oct 22 20:03:40 make a mold of the pre keyboard in an easy release molding compound, create your graphics on a thin vinyl or poly sheet, and then vacuum form it int the mold and slip it ovver the existing keyboard Oct 22 20:06:30 rwhitby: that patch we were discussing last night still has the hunk failing lol. Oct 22 20:07:40 dBsooner-work, yes? Oct 22 20:08:36 egaudet, did you ever create that submital script? Oct 22 20:12:13 dBsooner-work is doing it, not me Oct 22 20:12:26 I swore it was you Oct 22 20:12:31 Mmk then Oct 22 20:13:06 I talked about it only :P dBsooner-work has it mostly working, I think he said he wanted to release it today Oct 22 20:13:31 awesome Oct 22 20:14:13 How do you add image files to a patch or .ipk? Probably to complicated for me, but any links or advice? Oct 22 20:15:24 or to create a file with a patch Oct 22 20:15:38 add them to the ipk (possible compressed), and then handle moving them in postinst/prerm scripts? Oct 22 20:16:00 with a patch package using autopath technology use postinst_extra and prerm_extra Oct 22 20:16:24 dBsooner-work mentioned adding support for emailing zip'd images in the submit script Oct 22 20:16:29 I was just trying to think of a way to convert the pager mod into a patch Oct 22 20:16:50 what's the pager mod Oct 22 20:16:50 but that require you to create the script and edit the cron file Oct 22 20:17:03 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Pager_Nagger Oct 22 20:17:42 that's a linux script not a patch Oct 22 20:17:54 I know Oct 22 20:18:04 but the script is just a custom file Oct 22 20:18:23 I only know patches lol, all the postinst crap is outta my field Oct 22 20:19:18 patches are for changing Palm copyrighted files Oct 22 20:19:18 I know Oct 22 20:19:18 the pager nagger doesn't touch any palm files Oct 22 20:19:29 so it would require a .ipk? Oct 22 20:19:32 so why would you want to change it into a patch? Oct 22 20:19:40 you can package it up to ipk quite easily yea Oct 22 20:19:58 Wanna step me through it? :D I need to learn it lol Oct 22 20:20:07 but then you have to think about starting it on reboot etc Oct 22 20:20:47 ipkg-utils Oct 22 20:21:54 I can't step you through ipkg-utils because I have only used them indirectly with the autobuilder on webos-internals Oct 22 20:22:10 hmm, but I have to use ipkg-utils? Oct 22 20:22:53 sorry guys Oct 22 20:22:57 was in an apartment doing a phone install Oct 22 20:23:09 Well at least you're still alive Oct 22 20:23:19 the submit script is done.. Minus the optional zip file for *_extra file replacementrs. Oct 22 20:23:27 I don't know that you have to, but it's I believe an easy way to package things into ipk. Someone with more intimate knowledge might be able to tell you more. .ipk are just archived files which include control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz tarballs Oct 22 20:25:53 I need you all to test the script ASAP Oct 22 20:26:16 I have the other mods/admins at PC.net begging to get the "low-hanging fruit" patches into ipk's Oct 22 20:26:37 gimme dBsooner :D Oct 22 20:27:03 http://www.dbtrunk.com/webospatchupload.php Oct 22 20:27:21 so egaudet_work you better get ready for some spam in your inbox. ;) Oct 22 20:27:31 it's not spam, just an influx of tarballs. ;) Oct 22 20:28:52 fine with me as long as no errors Oct 22 20:30:10 hehe Oct 22 20:30:22 You'll only get an email if everything went smooth Oct 22 20:30:47 if requirements aren't met, user get errors reported and dumped back on the form Oct 22 20:30:48 Patch Homepage? Oct 22 20:30:56 the wiki page or pc.net thread Oct 22 20:31:07 Hmm I dont have either Oct 22 20:31:14 it's not required Oct 22 20:31:14 ;) Oct 22 20:31:18 it's not RED Oct 22 20:31:23 Ok Oct 22 20:31:28 So not Icon either... Oct 22 20:31:31 RED = Required Oct 22 20:31:34 Alright Oct 22 20:31:36 right, only red is required Oct 22 20:31:46 ICON will default to the generic one we use for each category Oct 22 20:31:51 Mmk Oct 22 20:31:53 ugly red Oct 22 20:32:08 god, so what do you want egaudet_work? purple? Oct 22 20:32:13 purple = required? Oct 22 20:32:16 * = required (on top) and keep it black :P Oct 22 20:32:22 NO Oct 22 20:32:25 that's too easyt Oct 22 20:32:39 red on the messages for failed submit is good, I like yesterdays better Oct 22 20:32:40 please no more purple/pink on apps... Oct 22 20:32:47 ROFL Oct 22 20:33:21 * dBsooner-work hates changing petty sh!t Oct 22 20:33:46 Ok I sent my patch Oct 22 20:34:42 who just submitted a patch Oct 22 20:34:47 Me Oct 22 20:34:50 .... Oct 22 20:34:58 what does your patch do Abyssul? Oct 22 20:34:59 * egaudet_work hates that dBsooner-work has to change petty sh!t because he screwed it up from yesterday!! Oct 22 20:34:59 :P Oct 22 20:35:03 I would love to sync my other calendars within my google account :/ Oct 22 20:35:19 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1982599#post1982599 Oct 22 20:36:30 What are the turnout times for getting patches into Pre? Oct 22 20:36:33 I mean Preware Oct 22 20:36:35 dBsooner-work, "USER UPLOADED 1 SCREENSHOTS" ? Oct 22 20:36:44 basically tells us that we need to wiki it? Oct 22 20:36:45 lol Oct 22 20:40:23 w00t! ical Oct 22 20:44:18 there egaudet_work Oct 22 20:44:38 egaudet_work: What else am I to do with the screenshots? Oct 22 20:44:51 morning Oct 22 20:45:02 rwhitby: my script is done. Oct 22 20:45:11 saw that - nice work. Oct 22 20:45:16 anyone use it yet? Oct 22 20:45:18 it's been edited more Oct 22 20:45:25 Abyssul just did Oct 22 20:45:46 I wanted to get a couple tests submitted by people before I release the dogs. Oct 22 20:46:26 Release the hounds! Oct 22 20:46:49 lol Oct 22 20:46:50 not quite yet Oct 22 20:47:04 I forgot to do htmlspecialchars on a variable Oct 22 20:49:23 dBsooner-work: yes, the new service removes the package if the user hits cancel on the postinst question Oct 22 20:49:34 awesome. thanks. Oct 22 20:51:07 much better dBsooner-work :D Oct 22 20:51:41 ship it Oct 22 20:51:54 (waits for patch in Preware) Oct 22 20:52:24 egaudet_work: thanks for the report on ipkgservice and disabled themes. I'll fix the postinst. Oct 22 20:53:18 Abyssul: the problem with the patch was missing no newline at end of file - jason has fixed the tool. Oct 22 20:54:19 egaudet_work: I am fixing an html special char issue first Oct 22 20:55:20 Awesome rwhitby, ill check it out Oct 22 20:55:40 Abyssul: what patch are we waiting for exactly? Oct 22 20:56:37 The one I made? Oct 22 20:56:51 As in, what does it do? :) Oct 22 20:57:23 I gave a link, but "This will force a user to press the Emergency button, then type out 911 (or corresponding number for your locale) to access your emergency services. " Oct 22 20:57:39 Removes the pre-populated number Oct 22 20:57:43 from submission to preware will take anywhere from 30 minutes to 12 hours Oct 22 20:57:50 Mmk egaudet Oct 22 20:58:04 depending on the time you submit it of course Oct 22 20:58:20 Of course Oct 22 20:58:30 Abyssul: that's cool. I dialed 911 twice accidentally Oct 22 20:58:37 Yep :) Oct 22 20:58:54 how do you dial 911 accidentally? Oct 22 20:58:57 Can't accidently call 911 unless you just happen to hit the emergency button, and then 911 :p Oct 22 20:59:18 egaudet_work: the old button used to fill it in for you Oct 22 20:59:25 egaudet_work: err the stock webos does Oct 22 20:59:53 It was easy to press the emergency service button then the dial button Oct 22 20:59:54 egaudet_work: so if your screen is locked and you hit emergency call by accident in your pocket, you can dial 911 Oct 22 21:00:09 sorry there's a button? Oct 22 21:00:18 Its on the PIN screen Oct 22 21:00:19 egaudet_work: yes when you use pinlock Oct 22 21:00:38 Also, the emergency service dials 911 twice. Oct 22 21:00:57 If you call 911 then hang up, it will redial automatically again Oct 22 21:01:22 oh I don't use pinlock that's why I've never seen it Oct 22 21:01:32 yikes Oct 22 21:01:35 Its a common complaint :p Oct 22 21:01:40 Abyssul: Oct 22 21:01:45 ? Oct 22 21:01:51 can you do me flavor? Oct 22 21:01:56 PRETTY PLEASE Oct 22 21:01:58 What flavor :p Oct 22 21:02:05 can you resubmit your patch Oct 22 21:02:09 Sure Oct 22 21:02:40 * egaudet_work starts thinking about going from emailed patch submission received on pre to git submit Oct 22 21:03:01 lol^ Oct 22 21:03:47 hmm a completely automated, one tap button Oct 22 21:03:48 egaudet_work: I have already thought that Oct 22 21:03:54 but that is really iffy Oct 22 21:04:01 for many reasons Oct 22 21:04:03 1) security Oct 22 21:04:07 2) security Oct 22 21:04:15 3) meh Oct 22 21:04:16 3) yep.. you guessed it Oct 22 21:04:26 oh then 4) security Oct 22 21:04:54 giving users the option of being able to write a script that replaces whatever they want on a phone then allowing them to submit it and have it autobuilt and distributed Oct 22 21:05:03 there has to be some sort of check Oct 22 21:05:11 dBsooner-work no Oct 22 21:05:15 not them submitting it Oct 22 21:05:21 oh Oct 22 21:05:23 us Oct 22 21:05:24 lol Oct 22 21:05:25 me or you being able to do it from our Pres Oct 22 21:05:26 egaudet, what did I put for a description so I can Cp? Oct 22 21:05:26 "Approve" Oct 22 21:05:35 you put: Oct 22 21:05:45 Reduces the accident of calling 911. Removes the prepopulated number that appears in the dialpad once you select the Emergency Call button on PIN screen, forcing the user to manually input the emergency number. Oct 22 21:05:48 Thanks Oct 22 21:05:50 you forget it's really me doing it. ;) Oct 22 21:05:58 egaudet isn't the patch meister. ;) Oct 22 21:06:06 Sorry I get confused :p I thought he was importing hte patches though Oct 22 21:06:16 nah, just emailing Oct 22 21:06:22 yea I'm upper management... I do nothing Oct 22 21:06:25 then we upload the files Oct 22 21:06:30 I just talk a lot Oct 22 21:06:33 :P Oct 22 21:06:47 so rwhitby, you want this on webos-internals? ;) Oct 22 21:07:06 There you go Oct 22 21:07:10 Aww crap the Title is wrong Oct 22 21:07:14 dBsooner-work: you should keep it there, and put some adsense on it ;-) Oct 22 21:07:15 Abyssul, dBsooner-work is the official "patch meister". He handles most of the patch importing Oct 22 21:07:38 The source code is only like 1000 lineas Oct 22 21:07:38 and I have to wait to resubmit again Oct 22 21:07:51 lol Oct 22 21:07:54 no it submitted Oct 22 21:08:01 i got the email Oct 22 21:08:03 but the title is wrong Oct 22 21:08:07 shrug Oct 22 21:08:08 I'll fix it Oct 22 21:08:10 K Oct 22 21:08:19 I just wanted to see if the HOMEPAGE was fixed Oct 22 21:08:25 i had it set to max 50 chars Oct 22 21:08:33 woopsie Oct 22 21:08:38 tis 128 now Oct 22 21:08:54 128 Oct 22 21:08:58 pfft Oct 22 21:08:59 why Oct 22 21:09:06 ahh much better Oct 22 21:09:10 512 Oct 22 21:09:11 1024 Oct 22 21:09:24 because I don't want to see a 512 byte url Oct 22 21:09:27 rwhitby: the patch works now Oct 22 21:09:27 that's retarded Oct 22 21:09:27 256 at least Oct 22 21:09:33 fine Oct 22 21:09:34 256 Oct 22 21:09:39 but not 512 Oct 22 21:09:44 fine Oct 22 21:09:47 thats stupid long Oct 22 21:10:06 thats like 3 text messages FULL Oct 22 21:10:08 How do you get patch maker status on PreCentral? :p Oct 22 21:10:14 links can get long :P Oct 22 21:10:30 rwhitby, how do I get developer under my name on precentral? Oct 22 21:10:40 I don't want to be a "member" anymore Oct 22 21:10:42 Bombard Dieter! Oct 22 21:10:57 LOL Oct 22 21:11:02 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/210977-patch-attachments-enabled-forums.html Oct 22 21:11:04 I gots "Patch meister" Oct 22 21:11:12 ... Oct 22 21:11:38 egaudet_work: Dieter says to just email him. Oct 22 21:11:56 Whats his email lol Oct 22 21:12:27 dBsooner, do you want me to send another patch? Oct 22 21:16:02 wow that download limit remover patch really does make a difference Oct 22 21:16:08 :p Oct 22 21:17:26 download limit? Oct 22 21:17:41 it's quiet.. too quiet Oct 22 21:17:48 rwhitby Oct 22 21:17:49 ah.. Oct 22 21:17:55 no I'm just stuck in backlog again Oct 22 21:17:55 whoops Oct 22 21:17:56 Read: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/210774-patch-unthrottle-download-manager.html Oct 22 21:18:10 Further to today's PreCentral Oz story... i just rang Palm's AU Country Manager. Oct 22 21:18:12 Or tried to. Oct 22 21:18:14 yep thats the one, I actually speed tested it Oct 22 21:18:28 rwhitby: Now redirects to Palm Singapore... Oct 22 21:18:39 freakout: yep, closed a while back I think. Oct 22 21:18:52 rwhitby: I spoke with him in June... Oct 22 21:19:30 Can anyone look into this? Seems like a viable idea. http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/210399-idea-scrolling-allert-message.html Oct 22 21:19:33 freakout: at least GSM is GSM and importing phones is easy Oct 22 21:19:52 destinal: heh. yeah, i'll wait till Australian SIM cards are confirmed working before I pop the champagne ;) Oct 22 21:20:20 destinal: btw, where the heck you been mate? lol. we have things to discuss! :) Oct 22 21:20:32 freakout: life has been insane lately Oct 22 21:20:42 I think I gave you some of the high points a while back Oct 22 21:20:48 destinal: you did Oct 22 21:20:50 starting to calm now at least Oct 22 21:20:56 destinal: I want *more* ;) Oct 22 21:21:05 destinal: but you're off the hook for now 'cause I have to go to work Oct 22 21:21:20 freakout: demanding ain'tcha? :P Oct 22 21:21:22 well I need to get back to hacking hidd full out again Oct 22 21:21:32 and terminal I think, the natives are getting restless :) Oct 22 21:22:05 heh Oct 22 21:26:36 bbl Oct 22 21:33:31 greetings Oct 22 21:34:11 DarthPooh: hi Oct 22 21:34:52 rwhitby: get your gsm pre yet? Oct 22 21:34:55 DarthPooh: I have no honey, great yellow lord of the sith. Please do not kill me with the force. Oct 22 21:35:48 destinal: you will be spared... peon. Oct 22 21:35:52 destinal: ;) Oct 22 21:35:58 :P Oct 22 21:37:30 damnit, i need to find a mini usb cord... ARGH, damn you NON-universal ports! Oct 22 21:38:18 DarthPooh: always good to keep mini and micro cables around. I was annoyed that they changed to micro for the pre after collecting several mini cables for my Android Dev Phone 1 Oct 22 21:39:28 DarthPooh: at least monoprice has good deals on them Oct 22 21:39:29 I kind of want to get a touchstone for work and home Oct 22 21:39:33 Did you guys see the Installer app just upload to PreCentral? Oct 22 21:39:38 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/installer Oct 22 21:39:39 yeah, I've been using the microusb for 2 years now Oct 22 21:40:04 now it's mini again, gotta keep two chargers set up Oct 22 21:40:11 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/210987-webos-patches-feed-submission-form-now-online.html Oct 22 21:41:01 nice work dB Oct 22 21:41:01 :D Oct 22 21:41:24 Hows my patch submisssion going? :p Oct 22 21:41:48 I am confused with the Installer app, but whatever. Oct 22 21:41:59 not shocked by it either. Oct 22 21:42:13 slow but sure Abyssul Oct 22 21:42:17 submit it one last time Oct 22 21:42:18 ;) Oct 22 21:42:19 JW :) Oct 22 21:42:22 Aww crap... lol Oct 22 21:42:22 with ALL THE CORRECT INFO Oct 22 21:42:34 Abyssul: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1992837 Oct 22 21:42:46 Shut up flavor Oct 22 21:42:46 just cuz I'm lazy Oct 22 21:42:47 Fine, I'll put it up with the info it currently has then. ;) Oct 22 21:43:08 destinal: what are must have android apps? Oct 22 21:43:11 DarthPooh: open source in action. If they do anything good, we can incorporate it back into Preware. Oct 22 21:43:44 DarthPooh: gsm pre is bought and tested, should be shipped today. Oct 22 21:44:00 rwhitby: no no, I get the idea of open source... but this community is relativly small, wouldnt it make sense to just work it out with you guys in the first place? Oct 22 21:44:15 YW dBsooner :) Oct 22 21:44:19 DarthPooh: yep, that's what I've said. But I will defend their right to fork :-) Oct 22 21:44:39 thanks Abyssul Oct 22 21:44:41 putting it up now Oct 22 21:44:43 .c/relativly/relatively Oct 22 21:44:45 Spiffy Oct 22 21:44:54 They haven't even contacted us as of yet - which is the first thing you usually do when you want to work on an open source project ... Oct 22 21:44:55 grrrrr Oct 22 21:44:55 DarthPooh: I liked ConnectBot a lot Oct 22 21:45:10 for GUI based ssh Oct 22 21:45:23 got it already ;) Oct 22 21:45:29 first thing I looked for Oct 22 21:46:09 its very swanky Oct 22 21:50:23 dangit Oct 22 21:50:35 Abyssul: I can't get to it till I get home in 2 hours Oct 22 21:50:41 I don't have my private keyfile on me Oct 22 21:50:46 Haha Oct 22 21:50:49 and my laptop is shutdown at home Oct 22 21:50:53 VPC? Oct 22 21:51:05 unless egaudet does it Oct 22 21:51:05 Aww Oct 22 21:51:05 That sucks :p Oct 22 21:51:15 or I can convince rwhitby to commit it Oct 22 21:51:15 ;) Oct 22 21:51:42 * rwhitby bbl (work time) Oct 22 21:51:55 lol Oct 22 21:51:59 so rwhitby's out Oct 22 21:52:10 i'll try to get egaudet to do it when he gets home Oct 22 21:52:20 which should be anytime Oct 22 21:52:38 I guess Dieter doesnt want to change my member name :p Oct 22 21:52:53 you're not special. Oct 22 21:52:58 I like to think I am :( Oct 22 21:53:12 or is it that you are special and I am not? Oct 22 21:53:27 Depends on your perspective Oct 22 21:53:59 I'll change your name Oct 22 21:55:02 hehe, "Sith Lord of the Honey Pot" Oct 22 21:55:11 <----- ;) Oct 22 21:55:17 Yea, I saw that Oct 22 21:56:11 DarthPooh: http://www.precentral.net/rumor-australia-miss-out-all-palm-fun#comment-36396 Oct 22 21:56:59 DarthPooh: can you change freakout's name to 'ShortShorts' ? ;-) Oct 22 21:57:05 rofl Oct 22 21:57:06 lol Oct 22 21:57:21 and change his avatar to match? Oct 22 21:58:17 some of those comments are assine Oct 22 21:59:42 And I do have to say, with all due respect, it's customers like yourself that make it hard for Palm -- being so flippant and just following the latest fad doesn't help. Oct 22 22:00:01 I thought you were actually saying that Oct 22 22:00:05 no ;) Oct 22 22:00:16 Who said that? Oct 22 22:00:45 <---- owes a Hero now, so I'm flippant and a fad follower! OHHHH, new TWEET status! Oct 22 22:00:59 but do you still have your PRE? Oct 22 22:01:07 yerp Oct 22 22:02:18 Darth, is that offer to change my status still available? :) Oct 22 22:02:51 once I am no longer mobile, sure! PM me the details Oct 22 22:03:16 What details is there? lol I didn't know it came with a survey :( Oct 22 22:03:39 (sarcasm) Oct 22 22:04:01 what the new name you want it to be... dickears ;) Oct 22 22:04:02 Haha Oct 22 22:04:31 but sure, np... IRC + hero = good times Oct 22 22:04:37 :( Oct 22 22:04:57 I think webOS will get there eventually Oct 22 22:05:06 Max- next month Oct 22 22:05:13 IRC is on the to-do list Oct 22 22:05:33 i mean, "there's an app for that" status ;) Oct 22 22:05:41 Oh Oct 22 22:05:49 Right now its a "theres a patch for that" status Oct 22 22:05:54 Droid, iphone, ppc and symbian are there Oct 22 22:06:26 i gotta admit the barcode scanner apps are pretty sweet Oct 22 22:07:16 Camera needs upgraded (software wise) before we reach that Oct 22 22:09:32 * Abyssul thinks it's quiet. Oct 22 22:18:53 they are avoiding us because we need them to do a git commit for your patch Oct 22 22:19:00 True! Oct 22 22:19:10 Idc, no rush :p Oct 22 22:19:42 what patch would that be? Oct 22 22:19:55 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1982599#post1982599 Oct 22 22:21:36 meh Oct 22 22:21:39 its never affected me Oct 22 22:21:47 Its all preference Oct 22 22:24:55 Getting my Win 7 tomorrow :) Oct 22 22:27:04 Abyssul: why not today? :D Oct 22 22:27:17 I bought the upgrade like 3 months ago Oct 22 22:27:21 when it was 50 bucks Oct 22 22:27:37 newegg.com, and it was shipped yesterday with 3 day shipping Oct 22 22:28:11 hi Oct 22 22:28:24 i got my win7 ultimate free Oct 22 22:28:33 a long while back Oct 22 22:28:37 Thats nice Oct 22 22:28:55 but someone in the dev community talked me into going linux again Oct 22 22:29:02 I could just torrent it use the Release Canidate, but I want to support Microsoft for the update Oct 22 22:29:08 * dBsooner-work grumbles at egaudet and PuffTheMagic_ Oct 22 22:29:36 Abyssul: I support them very much... TechNet account. Oct 22 22:29:48 And I am a beta tester on a lot of stuff. Oct 22 22:29:55 I support via money then :) Oct 22 22:30:04 so do I... TechNet. Oct 22 22:30:09 It's not cheap. Oct 22 22:30:11 Im using the RC currently Oct 22 22:30:19 dBsooner-work, we did you a favor ;) Oct 22 22:30:29 anyway, who submitted browser multilmod Oct 22 22:30:32 I have a license for every piece of software produced my MS. Oct 22 22:30:38 egaudet: no clue Oct 22 22:30:49 egaudet: haven't even looked. Oct 22 22:31:08 * dBsooner-work forgot his private keyfile on his laptop at home, which is powered off. Oct 22 22:33:32 which is the good limited emergency patch? Oct 22 22:33:34 the last one? Oct 22 22:37:04 peace out, Ill be back in like 3-4 hours :) Oct 22 22:37:41 egaudet (and others): will this do the right thing? http://webos.pastebin.com/d394326d4 Oct 22 22:37:50 (in the postinst of ipgkservice) Oct 22 22:38:11 (untested) Oct 22 22:38:53 oops - updated: http://webos.pastebin.com/d5cc58c27 Oct 22 22:43:00 rwhitby, do that after installing the confs? Oct 22 22:43:25 looks fine Oct 22 22:46:48 egaudet: yes. thanks. Oct 22 22:47:04 it updates any disabled feeds with the new contents, but leaves it disabled. Oct 22 22:47:12 * rwhitby bbiab Oct 22 22:47:42 yup yup Oct 22 23:02:40 abyssul ping Oct 22 23:08:47 egaudet: he said like 25 mins ago he would be back in 3-4 hours Oct 22 23:10:11 his screenshot is red theme with a cancel button? what does this patch do, there is only one line modification "+dialParams.number = this.emergencyNumbers;" Oct 22 23:10:35 i have no idea Oct 22 23:10:49 it prevents accidental dialing of emergen cy? Oct 22 23:12:57 egaudet: dieter said to email him if you want "developer" Oct 22 23:16:23 egaudet: new ipkgservice 0.9.9 in the testing feed with the feed status retention fix Oct 22 23:17:56 So close to 1.0 Oct 22 23:18:39 how many numbers exist between 0.9 and 1.0 ? Oct 22 23:18:43 0.9.10 Oct 22 23:20:57 bpadalin_, inifinite Oct 22 23:21:31 oh look, i am not me :( Oct 22 23:21:38 but right - so close, yet so far away Oct 22 23:23:42 Hello, Im looking for help on performing the meta doctor? Oct 22 23:25:25 Guest76055: hi - can you log back in using your nick from PreCentral? Oct 22 23:25:41 yes Oct 22 23:25:46 or say "/nick " Oct 22 23:26:05 I am looking for help on changing the keyboard layout - can someone help me? Oct 22 23:26:08 rwhitby: Can we discuss this letting precentral have their own patches feed in more detail before commiting to allowing it? I am having reservations. Oct 22 23:27:31 jonaddis84: please ask in the channel so others can learn too Oct 22 23:27:39 dBsooner-work: sure Oct 22 23:27:58 K, give me a couple mins to finish up this install I am at and I will let you know what is on my mind. Oct 22 23:28:21 ok, im looking for help with meta doctor...sorry this is my first time in here, still figuring it out Oct 22 23:28:38 jonaddis84: you're in the right place. Firstly, see http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor - agreed? Oct 22 23:29:00 yes Oct 22 23:29:15 ok, you've got Ubuntu running in Virtualbox ? Oct 22 23:29:28 Is this on a windows, mac or linux host? Oct 22 23:29:44 Not yet, Ive downloaded Ubuntu desktop 8.04, burned it to a cd...windows vista Oct 22 23:29:53 and I have instaled virtualbox Oct 22 23:30:27 I have not yet installed ubuntu though, I didnt know if the procedure was any different since its going to be running virtual or whatever Oct 22 23:31:34 jonaddis84: There should be some good guides on the net about installing ubuntu in virtual box - just follow one of those first, there is nothing special about the ubuntu install that you need to do. Oct 22 23:32:11 ok, Ill look for one of those, it appears I messed up something with the cd burn too Oct 22 23:32:22 http://helpdeskgeek.com/linux-tips/how-to-install-ubuntu-in-virtualbox/ seems ok Oct 22 23:32:37 you can tell virtualbox to install directly from the .iso, no need for a burnt CD Oct 22 23:33:44 http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/virtualbox seems to be a better guide Oct 22 23:34:18 Setting up my emulator - is wget quilt-bootstrap.sh still the way to get it? Oct 22 23:34:38 lordbah: yep Oct 22 23:38:12 ateamtip: regarding the physical key layout (please ask questions in the channel, not in private): Oct 22 23:38:36 ateamtip: I have only found qwerty, qwertz and azerty options in the firmware. Oct 22 23:38:54 It's in libLunaKeymaps.so - a binary proprietary Palm file. Oct 22 23:39:49 I installed optware bootstrap via Preware. Did it 'create a regular user and enable sudo access'? Doesn't look like it. Oct 22 23:41:51 Thanks rwhitby Oct 22 23:42:13 Ok, Ive got Ubuntu installing now, Ill let you know when it finishes Oct 22 23:43:15 lordbah: nope, it does not. See the documentation for the Dropbear and OpenSSH packages in Preware Oct 22 23:43:27 We just use root and ssh keys. Oct 22 23:43:55 jonaddis84: I put some initial content in the wiki page from ConfusedVorlon - perhaps you can format that while waiting ;-0 Oct 22 23:44:06 s/;-0/;-)/ Oct 22 23:45:07 Im not sure if you know or not, but will it give me any indication that it is installing? I arrowed down to "Install Ubuntu" and pressed Enter, but it doesnt "appear" to be doing anything, although I cannot move the selection anymore Oct 22 23:47:07 yes, you'll get lots of indication Oct 22 23:49:17 hmm, I dont know what its doing then Oct 22 23:49:38 I asked about the regular user because quilt-bootstrap.sh complained about that and wouldn't run. Looking at the script, it prints that when it can't find /opt/bin/ipkg-opt, which is missing. What step did I miss? Oct 22 23:53:45 lordbah: oh, ok. yeah to use the quilt bootstrap you need to run the optware bootstrap script, not the package from Preware. Oct 22 23:54:49 I see. If I remove the optware bootstrap via Preware, it will remove dependents, then I can do it via the old shell script? Oct 22 23:54:57 Im stuck here. Ive restarted the virtual machine a few times, restarted Ubuntu, but when I select "Install Ubuntu" it locks up and doesnt do anything...any suggestions? Oct 22 23:57:14 Sorry, I have to step away for a few minutes, Ill return shortly Oct 22 23:59:06 rwhitby: here is my list of issues: Oct 23 00:01:54 Who's going to support compat issues? Who is going to make sure they are all safe patches before they are built and put into their precentral-patches feed? what about dups? Whjo's going to support, "I can't get this to install"? Will they e 100% EPR compliant? What about naming conventions? Categorization restrictions? Will this be an entirely seperate feed, because these aren't technically "webOS-Patches" branded. Oct 23 00:02:09 What about depends? right now with manual intervention on a small scale we can verify all that. Oct 23 00:03:17 I agree with the idea of making it 100% automated in theory, but I think we rushed into this. You basically mentioned it like 3 hours ago, and Dieter already has the form up and wants to push it through as soon as possible. Oct 23 00:03:59 I think that when it comes to patches, manual intervention is somewhat necessary. Oct 23 00:04:39 Of the 3 patches submitted via my form, we have already had to contact the maintainer to ask abougt dependency's because it will require them. Oct 23 00:05:39 It's a little upsetting to see my exact form that I spent all night on (especailly building all the security checks and backend functions) get thrown to the side and "remade"... Oct 23 00:06:17 having the user "manually enter the webos version number" is not a very good idea. I think it should be a drop down at the least. Mine is a checkbox so you can select multiples. Oct 23 00:06:25 and it builds it properly for multiples. Oct 23 00:06:38 rwhitby: optware-bootstrap.sh only calls adduser if EMULATOR=0 :-/ I'll try to puzzle it out, seems you have a large conversation going on at the moment. Oct 23 00:07:15 IMHO: Having so many places to download/install themes is part of what has caused so many issues with them. There is no universal standard for packaging/maintenance. Oct 23 00:07:19 dBsooner-work: compat issues are up to the author. safety is checked by the reviewers (of which I expect you will be one) - nothing gets into the feed without manual approval. dups are disallowed by the submission page. installation problems are same as today - they go back to the maintainer (who will have a PreCentral account now). EPR compliance is assured by our packaging steps. naming conventions are on the submission page (res Oct 23 00:07:22 tricted set of categories, and character set limits on title). they will be webos-patches, since they will use autopatch technology and be compatible with EPR. Oct 23 00:07:52 egaudet - Can I modify the sym key to work in "stuck"mode (like the shift/alt - with the black dot) becuase I can change the sym character but I need to push the sym button every time. (I am talking about the physical keyboard) Oct 23 00:08:42 When I say duplicates, what about the ones already in our feed? Oct 23 00:08:47 will our feed just disappear? Oct 23 00:08:48 ateamtip, sym key should pop up a scroll box Oct 23 00:08:52 jonaddis84: no idea - installing ubuntu should be the easy step :-) Oct 23 00:09:28 Like I said.. I literally spent 14 hours straight on that form and making it perfect for users to submit stuff to us and all I have to do us untar, commit and build. Oct 23 00:09:31 dBsooner-work: duplicates can be excluded by the reviewers Oct 23 00:09:46 Seems like there is still the same amount of work as would be using my form. Oct 23 00:09:52 I know - but can I to give up the popup box? Oct 23 00:11:27 dBsooner-work: the submission form can still work in parallel. This was going to happen anyway, this way we get to make it happen correctly. Oct 23 00:12:21 you can't even talk someone into emailing me a patch in an email. Do you really expect to talk them into sending a patch via 2 different forms? Oct 23 00:12:39 no, they will choose one. Oct 23 00:13:02 This is fine. We'll do it this way. I just don't like how you preach to "think this threw before making decisions" then go and make one like this without consulting anyone else. Oct 23 00:13:37 Forgive me if I am overstepping my boundaries, but it's not like anyone "slept on the decision to find the right way." Oct 23 00:15:40 dBsooner-work: identifying the means for patch submission which will have be best reach to patch authors is the issue here. Oct 23 00:15:54 Agreed. Oct 23 00:16:09 Which is why I spent so long on the form I created. Oct 23 00:16:32 But it's getting overshadowed by a method that is all-inclusive and "autoamted. Oct 23 00:16:32 the patch authors will be submitting things in PreCentral forums anyway to get the exposure. They won't go to a separate site to also submit. Oct 23 00:17:04 lmao Oct 23 00:17:07 rwhitby: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/installer Oct 23 00:17:19 Decimate: old news Oct 23 00:17:28 Decimate: there's a thread on it. I think it's good news. Oct 23 00:17:47 dBsooner-work: *cough*buzzkillll*cough* :P Oct 23 00:17:53 rwhitby: hmm, let me check it out Oct 23 00:17:59 Decimate: i'm not in the best of moods anyway. Oct 23 00:18:21 dBsooner-work: why is that. Oct 23 00:18:30 the thing with precentral submission is that we can't control it Oct 23 00:18:37 Exactly. Oct 23 00:18:49 And I think patches need to be controlled more than just a theme. Oct 23 00:18:51 now that creates more work for us to "review", whereas db's script creates less work for us to review, and forces patch creators to submit the right info Oct 23 00:19:04 exactly egaudet Oct 23 00:19:09 my script is very strict Oct 23 00:20:16 I mean do you want me to pastebin the source code so you can see how much it actually does? Oct 23 00:20:24 it's not like it just takes those fields and emails it to us Oct 23 00:20:36 it actually does A LOT of formatting and preperation and file creation. Oct 23 00:20:37 but there is nothing we can do about it now Oct 23 00:20:49 er Oct 23 00:20:56 we'll see where the patch creators go with this Oct 23 00:21:09 I can tell you where they are goin gto go Oct 23 00:21:10 i like the idea of disabling themes from even loading Oct 23 00:21:14 the easy/fast way Oct 23 00:21:22 take way too much time and i wont ever use one Oct 23 00:21:23 My other problem: Oct 23 00:21:23 dBsooner-work: all the info will be in the xml feed, and can be scripted from there Oct 23 00:21:29 your script is easier and faster way :P Oct 23 00:21:38 oh, nvm Oct 23 00:21:48 Sigh Oct 23 00:21:59 rwhitby: what is preventing them from submitting false info to the xml? Oct 23 00:22:06 we can't control the xml and delete stuff from it Oct 23 00:22:12 well we can.. we can just ignore bad info Oct 23 00:22:13 rwhitby, he means that we now can't control what precentral will require for info, and we can't dictate to them what they have to put in the xml Oct 23 00:22:18 but it will gorw and grow Oct 23 00:22:22 dBsooner-work: sure you can - you will be a moderator of that site Oct 23 00:22:37 rwhitby: I HAVE NO CONTOL over that form! Oct 23 00:22:40 And I never will Oct 23 00:22:44 Dieter had said this Oct 23 00:22:49 He can't give me access to that stuff. Oct 23 00:22:59 because itw ould require me to have access to the entire site. Oct 23 00:23:00 dBsooner-work: well I've just got many changes implemented in real time Oct 23 00:23:03 Only he will be the approver. Oct 23 00:23:22 He's the only one that approves themes as it is. Oct 23 00:23:48 dBsooner-work: that's not the case. the intention is to have community approvers Oct 23 00:23:55 That's my other beef.. He doesn't know the intrecate workings of the patch codes.. he won't bbe ab le to verify it all. Oct 23 00:24:01 rwhitby: in timne. Oct 23 00:24:12 rwhitby: not right now its not. He can't give that access because of how his site is set up. Oct 23 00:24:17 i have already asked that. Oct 23 00:24:27 btw duplications will be the biggest issue Oct 23 00:24:30 dBsooner-work: so have I. he needs to add another role. Oct 23 00:24:38 which he can't Oct 23 00:24:53 because the stuff in the gallary's is a main CMS thing Oct 23 00:24:57 which is ALL or none Oct 23 00:25:01 rwhitby: heya, Jason here, we've been exchanging mails recently... nice to meet you live :) Oct 23 00:25:03 for instance we just got an emailed submission of the browser multi mod patch, which is a nice upgrade to the current one (fixes the hardcoded key issues, cleans up the repetitive code for launching phone, email apps etc...) Oct 23 00:26:11 Complete automation is not a good idea for this Oct 23 00:26:32 people will submit updated patches as their own submission, and I don't know how we can handle that Oct 23 00:26:32 Just giving an "approver" the right to "approve or deny" something is not what Patching needs. Oct 23 00:26:38 dBsooner-work: the moderator role is scheduled to be created tomorrow Oct 23 00:26:46 sigh. Oct 23 00:27:07 egaudet: This is how it is going to be. Our points are not valid in rwhitby's eyes. Oct 23 00:27:16 Dieter will be making it all work right. Oct 23 00:27:16 dBsooner-work: that is not the case Oct 23 00:27:25 well it seems to be that way so far. Oct 23 00:27:29 it's a discussion here. Oct 23 00:27:53 so what about dups, or requirements, or incompats? Oct 23 00:28:02 I take it Tim Carroll hasn't received his toy yet? Oct 23 00:28:06 or multiple webOS versionsper patch file? Oct 23 00:28:21 lingfish: not yet Oct 23 00:28:25 rhwhitby- Well, I cant figure it out, maybe I got a bad ISO, Im downloading version 9.04 now, will probably take the rest of the night, Ill stop back tomorrow and go through the rest of the meta doctor and edit the Wiki for dummies Oct 23 00:28:27 k Oct 23 00:28:29 ALL of which are automatically handles by my script. Oct 23 00:28:37 jonaddis84: ok Oct 23 00:28:40 s/handles/handled/ Oct 23 00:28:41 dBsooner-work meant: ALL of which are automatically handled by my script. Oct 23 00:28:50 dBsooner-work, don't forget also that precentral is going to do this regardless of our input Oct 23 00:29:06 egaudet: that's not the case Oct 23 00:29:08 as long as we work with them, everything will be fine Oct 23 00:29:33 I have already offered my help.. I have a complete working patch upload script that is "not neeed" Oct 23 00:29:35 rwhitby, I didn't mean they don't care about our input, I meant that they would have done some patch hosting regardless of whether we ever talked to them about it at some point in time Oct 23 00:29:39 s/neeed/needed/ Oct 23 00:29:39 dBsooner-work meant: I have already offered my help.. I have a complete working patch upload script that is "not needed" Oct 23 00:29:40 any roll-out will not happen until we sort all these issues out to everyone's satisfaction, and you guys are moderators. Oct 23 00:30:02 He is basically re-writing what I have already written Oct 23 00:30:07 and is 100% working Oct 23 00:30:22 egaudet: right - that's my point exactly - it would have happened anyway, so best to get in at the start and drive the requirements instead of needing to react later like we had to with apps and themes Oct 23 00:30:27 which is what I have an issue with. I like having control over the actual script functioning. Oct 23 00:30:41 dBsooner-work: the packaging scripts will be in our repo Oct 23 00:31:13 we have complete control over the ipkgs producted Oct 23 00:31:30 the patches are already in the forums with *no* additional information in any format Oct 23 00:31:45 this way, the patches at least are on PreCentral in a format that we have specified. Oct 23 00:31:45 and are all being installed with QI Oct 23 00:31:53 my point is.. He is creating the XML, which is basically a "Makefile" Oct 23 00:31:59 dBsooner-work: no it's not Oct 23 00:32:01 my script makes a Flawless Makefile as it is. Oct 23 00:32:03 and then appear as Unknown in preware, and no one seems to find things in "unknown Oct 23 00:32:13 dBsooner-work: the XML is simply the variable values. Oct 23 00:32:15 it gives you all th einfo you need for the package creation. Oct 23 00:32:18 RIGHT Oct 23 00:32:22 the build script will create the ipkgs Oct 23 00:32:23 which is all you need Oct 23 00:32:30 You're not understanding. Oct 23 00:32:34 rwhitby, he means the Makefile his script creates, not a general makefile with targets Oct 23 00:32:44 egaudet: I know. Oct 23 00:33:42 dBsooner-work: here's my rationale Oct 23 00:34:08 1) patches are already being posted out of conrol on PreCentral, and far more than will ever be submitted to any site we put up, no matter how official it is Oct 23 00:34:30 2) We get to specify the mandatory meta-data that must accompany a patch to be in the gallery Oct 23 00:34:40 don't know if this has been discussed, but after the package manage rupdate, preware no longer ignores the feeds i tell it to. It loads all feeds. Oct 23 00:35:09 3) we get to moderate and deny patches that don't meet the standards - the onus is on the submitter to get the patch fixed - note that nothing is displayed to the public until it is approved by you. Oct 23 00:35:13 AnOutsider, known issue, rwhitby has fixed in test repo Oct 23 00:35:15 AnOutsider: was just going to report that :P Oct 23 00:35:24 well then. as you were :) Oct 23 00:35:30 go re-ignore the feeds Oct 23 00:35:31 AnOutsider: please test so I can publish it Oct 23 00:35:36 it will fix it Oct 23 00:35:57 4) we get to write the scripts which take the patch meta-data and package it for Preware. We get to automate that. Oct 23 00:36:53 writing create the package is kind of a moot point. Oct 23 00:37:12 really there is nothing you need to change.. all the goods are in the meta-data from the xml/Makefile. Oct 23 00:37:20 I'm not too opposed to automation dB. let the community verify stuff Oct 23 00:37:30 Im not either. Oct 23 00:37:45 egaudet: so enable, then disable again? was going to try that, but wanted to leave it broken in cased it helped anyone debug ;) Oct 23 00:37:47 I just want to see it done in a more open-source say. Oct 23 00:37:50 way* Oct 23 00:38:02 AnOutsider, just disable the duplicate one Oct 23 00:38:13 when you go to prefs->feeds you will see 2 of them one off and one on right? Oct 23 00:38:15 giving one person and one person only the access to the actual form creation is wher emy problem is Oct 23 00:38:22 AnOutsider: disable again, then test the new ipkgservice alpha for me :-) Oct 23 00:38:42 o snap, didnt realize there was actually a dupe Oct 23 00:38:44 dBsooner-work, well we can get that part of it settled before they release Oct 23 00:38:46 and sure rod, where can I grab it Oct 23 00:38:46 dBsooner-work: once the specification for the meta-data is required, why is that a problem? Oct 23 00:39:06 AnOutsider: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/ Oct 23 00:39:16 because changes need to be made occassionally? Oct 23 00:39:38 what is this other discussion? preware making a patches gallery? Oct 23 00:39:48 rod, do i just go to command line and ipkg install? Oct 23 00:39:52 after a wget Oct 23 00:40:04 AnOutsider: PreCentral patch gallery, done to Preware specifications instead of us finding out about it after the fact. Oct 23 00:40:13 good idea Oct 23 00:40:19 we dont need another themes fiasco ;) Oct 23 00:40:48 AnOutsider: unfortunately, dBsooner-work did a whole lot of great work on a submission form. Oct 23 00:40:59 which makes me bitter. Oct 23 00:41:00 :D Oct 23 00:41:11 I think if that wasn't the case, I wouldn't be mad at all. LOL. Oct 23 00:41:22 Jeff Dunham show premiers tonight :D Oct 23 00:41:25 I mean its honesty.. what do developers crave? attention and gratification. Oct 23 00:41:34 dBsooner-work: at least you didnt make a WHOLE site :) Oct 23 00:41:38 which has been great as the executable specification for what the submission process needs, and should be able to be reused as the executable specification for the packaging scripts Oct 23 00:42:02 dBsooner-work: being the patch meister for the *whole* of PreCentral is not enough attention? Oct 23 00:42:10 lol Oct 23 00:42:11 Hi....can someone answer a question about the Luna Manager? Oct 23 00:42:14 haah Oct 23 00:42:16 that's too much. ;) Oct 23 00:42:22 i defer to egaudet. Oct 23 00:42:40 dBsooner-work: in this way, that role can also be distributed to a number of people. Oct 23 00:43:09 rwhitby: Which can be a double edged sword. Oct 23 00:43:25 NiteTrek: ask away Oct 23 00:43:34 dBsooner-work: agreed, but better to be part of the process than to be an outsider (unless you're AnOutsider) Oct 23 00:43:50 heck that's his fault for making prethemer.com Oct 23 00:43:51 sheesh Oct 23 00:44:06 BTW: those are the only themes I install. Oct 23 00:44:08 Ok...I see it has 3 options...Rescan, Restart Luna and Restart Java.....I usually just use the Restart Luna option. Can you give me examples of when I would use the other 2 options? Oct 23 00:44:52 well, I think 1 thing that is going to be major is DUPS. Oct 23 00:44:58 We need to have a central location I think. Oct 23 00:45:17 I always end up the butt of the jokes :( haha Oct 23 00:45:22 NiteTrek: rescan is for reloading the applauncher with the list of apps Oct 23 00:45:31 what's DUPS db? Oct 23 00:45:32 though all the installers do this automatically when you install something Oct 23 00:45:42 dBsooner-work: there will always be dupes, no matter what happens. You would have got dupes to the submission page Oct 23 00:45:43 so its only needed if you're copying the files for hte app in on your own Oct 23 00:45:50 DUPS = Duplicates. Oct 23 00:46:03 restart java is needed after a new java service is installed Oct 23 00:46:11 im not sure if restarting it other then for that has much use Oct 23 00:46:18 yeah, but at least with the submission page I only have 1 place to check. Oct 23 00:46:26 rwhitby: with manual submissions though, they can be filtered. Is precentral going for automation? Oct 23 00:46:30 The gitorious.org/modifications repo Oct 23 00:46:39 checking differences in dupes sucks Oct 23 00:46:57 if so, maybe on upload, the patch is checked to see what files they touch or do a search for simila rpatches in the DB like they do during thread creation Oct 23 00:47:03 kinda prompt the user to make sure it's unique Oct 23 00:47:12 Ok...thanks for the explanation oil... Oct 23 00:47:12 np Oct 23 00:47:12 with having two places to submit and store patches is going to create a headache Oct 23 00:47:12 gotta apply patch 1, generate patch 1, unapply patch 1... repeat for patch 2, then diff em Oct 23 00:47:12 having to check both places foir dupes and diffs of those dupes. Oct 23 00:47:18 AnOutsider: automated submission, but moderator approval (e.g. egaudet, dBsooner-work, anyone else who knows what's going on) before publish and automated packaging by our autobuilder. Oct 23 00:47:32 rwhitby, how does that work? Oct 23 00:47:32 gotcha Oct 23 00:47:38 (approval) Oct 23 00:47:40 rwhitby: That's fine for approval.. BUt I would have to Check TWO places for dups. Oct 23 00:47:51 instead of just ONE with the current method. Oct 23 00:48:03 dBsooner-work, what 2 places? Oct 23 00:48:07 dBsooner-work: the current method is not ONE - there are patches uncontrolled on PreCentral Oct 23 00:48:15 gitorious.org and precentral's patches Oct 23 00:48:31 rwhitby: those aren't even in the equation Oct 23 00:48:43 rwhitby: as I am simply referring to those patches currently submitted Oct 23 00:48:49 dBsooner-work: sure they are. if you don't include those, you are marginalised. Oct 23 00:48:57 sigh Oct 23 00:49:01 follow me: Oct 23 00:49:25 #webos Oct 23 00:49:30 hey rwhiby you got your german pre yet? Oct 23 00:49:33 As of right now: a user submits a patch via my form. I get it, I check in gitorious for any dupes. None. Is it good? Yep, apoprove. push. Oct 23 00:49:41 rwhitby: ipkg -o /var filename.ipk right? Oct 23 00:49:57 AnOutsider: you can set up a testing feed .conf Oct 23 00:50:08 In will be: User submits patch via precentral. I have to check precentral AND gitorious for dupes. Oct 23 00:50:10 sounds easier, point me to directions? Oct 23 00:50:16 well you don't approve precentral patches that are in gitorious Oct 23 00:50:23 right Oct 23 00:50:24 AnOutsider: copy webos-internals.conf to testing.conf, and then modify the names and urls Oct 23 00:50:26 but I would have to check both places Oct 23 00:50:30 am I making sense? Oct 23 00:50:50 Would this be a bad time to ask about getting write access to gitorious to push my trivial patch? Oct 23 00:51:00 lordbah: I would wait Oct 23 00:51:07 or use my form and I can get it in Oct 23 00:51:18 http://www.dbtrunk.com/webospatchupload.php Oct 23 00:51:40 But if this goes the way it should and goes well, there will be one universal way to submit patches in the future. Through precentral.net. Oct 23 00:51:56 which will be easier to handle, as long as we dictate most of it. Oct 23 00:52:50 so let's start thinking about what we can ask precentral to force Oct 23 00:53:13 A) allow anyone to update an existing patch in the gallery???? Oct 23 00:53:29 egaudet, dBsooner-work: they have put the ability to better restrict form input on the site development todo list Oct 23 00:53:32 B) remove version from user control, add checkboxes for multiple webos versions Oct 23 00:53:50 barneyboy22: not yet - bought and tested yesterday, shipping from German today. Oct 23 00:54:03 barneyboy22: but freakout-away gets his today probably or Monday latest. Oct 23 00:55:03 rwhitby: see that's my problem with it.. I am more about the "get it done now" Oct 23 00:55:12 not "defer to future" Oct 23 00:55:24 that's what my form is all about.. "restrictions" Oct 23 00:55:42 just go hit submit on my form Oct 23 00:55:45 leaving it all blank Oct 23 00:55:51 you'll see the kind of restrictions Oct 23 00:55:51 egaudet: B) is going to happen now Oct 23 00:56:17 I propose making the form look just like mine Oct 23 00:56:20 then I would be happy Oct 23 00:56:39 and forgive me for being snippy. Because I only got 2 hours of sleep. Oct 23 00:57:17 dBsooner-work, what restrictions is PC missing aside from B ^^ above that Rod just said is happening now Oct 23 00:57:23 dBsooner-work: you have every right to be pissed off, you put a lot of work into the form Oct 23 00:57:42 No I don't. I was being selfish, which wasn't right. Oct 23 00:57:46 egaudet, dBsooner-work: can you both see the current draft of the submission page? Oct 23 00:57:55 let me refresh it Oct 23 00:58:24 get rid of "body" Oct 23 00:58:31 that big box is ugly and annoying Oct 23 00:58:42 I have a question. Will the webos patches feed remain? Oct 23 00:59:01 don't require appicon Oct 23 00:59:04 AnOutsider: this will feed the webos-patches feed Oct 23 00:59:13 not everyone wants to create an app icon Oct 23 00:59:37 my form will either A) Use the user submitted ICON or B) use the default one based on Category Oct 23 01:00:03 dBsooner-work: ok, we can do that simply by making the icon not required Oct 23 01:00:04 meh Oct 23 01:00:13 I auto-disable precentral feeds haha Oct 23 01:00:41 AnOutsider: we can make it a separate feed easily if that's what everyone prefers Oct 23 01:01:36 well, if eric and db are going to be monitoring things, I guess it's cool Oct 23 01:01:47 I just alwasy prefered to use webos stuff than what the masses whip up Oct 23 01:02:23 AnOutsider: it's a good question to ponder Oct 23 01:02:45 do we want two classes of patches, or do we want to put the effort in to make all patches first class Oct 23 01:02:54 IMHO, all patches should move out of gitorious Oct 23 01:03:03 to be able to give more users access to them Oct 23 01:03:17 that's not something I can chime in on. When it comes to patches, I'm just an appreciative end-user Oct 23 01:03:20 I don't put my name on 2nd class stuff. Oct 23 01:03:48 let me get on my home laptop Oct 23 01:04:30 @dBsooner-work: sent in my trivial patch via your form. Thanks. Oct 23 01:08:31 jonaddis84: thanks for updating the wiki page - you go straight to the head of queue for help from me now as a result :-) Oct 23 01:09:43 no problem, I will keep it updated as I get further, my download is at 40% right now, dont have a whole lot of bandwidth here at home :( Oct 23 01:12:54 lordbah: how was the submission process? Oct 23 01:12:54 confusing? Oct 23 01:15:11 dBsooner, you got that one? Oct 23 01:15:17 yeah Oct 23 01:15:21 punks Oct 23 01:15:50 lol Oct 23 01:15:50 * egaudet running Oct 23 01:15:57 dBsooner-work: I wouldn't say "confusing". I couldn't find any way to get a screenshot in the emulator, but that wasn't a required field, and not useful for this particular patch. I didn't know what you wanted for "maintainer" - real name, username, email, URL. And I would have liked some assurance the Email field won't be exposed to the public. Oct 23 01:16:24 email is exposed Oct 23 01:16:33 that's why it's not required Oct 23 01:16:43 maintainer = username usually Oct 23 01:17:05 maintainer = display name Oct 23 01:17:12 maintainer + email = support Oct 23 01:17:14 anyone see the icky new mac/pc commercial by apple? Oct 23 01:17:59 dBsooner-work: maintainer = precentral username? Oct 23 01:18:15 dBsooner: that's one positive about the PreCentral submission - we don't need to handle accounts, but authors are still contactable Oct 23 01:18:33 lordbah: yes, or webos-internals wiki Oct 23 01:18:44 rwhitby: aye.. Like I said, This is a positive. Oct 23 01:18:52 I was just being selfish and pissed my form wasn't being used. Oct 23 01:19:02 so the holdem app is nice :D Oct 23 01:19:13 But let me give you a run down of what I want to see in the XML: Oct 23 01:19:22 dBsooner: ok, I'll stop trying to convince you now :-) Oct 23 01:19:45 rwhitby: you were going to have it your way regardless.. ADMIT it and we'll be fine. xD Oct 23 01:19:49 the holdem app is almost as nice as that installer app Oct 23 01:19:50 xD Oct 23 01:19:50 dBsooner: if you can write up an XML specification, based on what we currently get for apps and themes, that would be great! Oct 23 01:20:04 dBsooner: you've called me on it, and I submit. Oct 23 01:20:12 See! Oct 23 01:20:14 lol Oct 23 01:20:34 what's the xml url? Oct 23 01:21:25 egaudet: ping Oct 23 01:21:25 oil: ping Oct 23 01:21:28 ? Oct 23 01:21:32 dBsooner: http://www.precentral.net/precentral-ipkg-feed.xml and http://www.precentral.net/webos-themes/precentral-theme-repo.xml - they are in the Makefiles in the subdirectories of the feeds area in preware/build.git Oct 23 01:21:48 Yeah, I realized that after I asked. Oct 23 01:21:48 ;) Oct 23 01:21:52 dBsooner: we can expect to be able to get the same for patches Oct 23 01:22:10 precentral is making a patch thing? Oct 23 01:22:19 oil: GOD Where have you been? Oct 23 01:22:27 you didn't see my temper-tantrum earflier? Oct 23 01:22:32 no Oct 23 01:22:38 and, i was at work Oct 23 01:22:42 oil: dont shoot me for this comment (and keep in my profession is human factors which usability is a part of) but i really hate how how in the preferences menu in the top right... that area Oct 23 01:22:44 sup PuffTheMagic_ Oct 23 01:22:48 i needs to be a down arrow Oct 23 01:22:59 feeds is confusing Oct 23 01:23:06 a down arrow? Oct 23 01:23:07 it makes it seem like you are on the feeds menu Oct 23 01:23:15 that should be a drop down list Oct 23 01:23:26 * rwhitby wanted Manage Feeds in the main App-Menu ... ;-) Oct 23 01:23:27 and when you are on the main prefs it should say main not feeds Oct 23 01:23:35 and when you are on feeds it should say feeds Oct 23 01:23:38 * egaudet agrees with Puff Oct 23 01:23:38 it says preferences to the left Oct 23 01:23:47 oil: i dont care about that Oct 23 01:23:51 im talking about that button Oct 23 01:23:54 its backwards Oct 23 01:23:58 it's a little confusing Oct 23 01:24:00 the button that takes you to feeds Oct 23 01:24:16 but its confusing Oct 23 01:24:24 it should be a drop down Oct 23 01:24:32 and it should have a down array Oct 23 01:24:34 arrow Oct 23 01:24:35 with one item? Oct 23 01:24:42 a dropdown with one item is a button Oct 23 01:24:45 what are you gonna do when we want to add another menu page Oct 23 01:24:50 oil: no it would have to Oct 23 01:25:00 i dont know, what other page are we going to add? Oct 23 01:25:01 the current "main" page and the "feeds" page Oct 23 01:25:08 oil: idk yet Oct 23 01:25:16 but the way you have it now makes it impossible Oct 23 01:25:21 you gonna have lots of buttons at the top Oct 23 01:25:24 for each new menu? Oct 23 01:25:28 idk Oct 23 01:25:33 there was only one, so i made a button Oct 23 01:25:56 it should be like the drop down in the calendar app Oct 23 01:25:58 there wasn't much thought into it beyond getting it out of hte appmenu Oct 23 01:26:27 but the calendar has more then one thing to display, no? Oct 23 01:26:33 Why does my muscle memory want to go to the 2nd item for preferences? Oct 23 01:26:39 i keep hitting update feeds thinking I'm going to preferences Oct 23 01:26:44 oil: our menu would have more than one thing also Oct 23 01:26:45 lol Oct 23 01:26:46 there are 2 pages Oct 23 01:26:49 both would be in it Oct 23 01:26:52 and when we add more Oct 23 01:26:55 its easily expandable Oct 23 01:27:17 the "feeds" button doesn't look like a button Oct 23 01:27:19 right, a dropdown does make more sense when there is more then only one other page then what you're looking at Oct 23 01:27:29 it doesn't on the dark theme because i hacked that up Oct 23 01:27:32 im no artist Oct 23 01:27:36 it looks like a button on the default theme Oct 23 01:27:50 neither looks like a button to me Oct 23 01:27:57 oil: it looks more like a label than a button Oct 23 01:28:01 yea Oct 23 01:28:06 lol Oct 23 01:28:29 egaudet: remember that autopatch request i made yesterday.... i sorta had it backwards Oct 23 01:28:36 lol Oct 23 01:28:53 egaudet: we need a way to remove "applied" patches from ipkg after a webos update Oct 23 01:28:58 so that they can be installed again Oct 23 01:29:25 PuffTheMagic_, yea EPR Oct 23 01:29:33 no no Oct 23 01:29:51 that is way over kill Oct 23 01:30:06 explain... Oct 23 01:30:26 just a way to tell preware/ipkg that a patch-package is not really installed any more Oct 23 01:30:29 even though it is Oct 23 01:30:38 like a force remove Oct 23 01:30:40 whoa Oct 23 01:30:46 a bypass prerm remove? Oct 23 01:30:50 use the app catalog Oct 23 01:30:51 :P Oct 23 01:30:53 yeah sorta Oct 23 01:31:03 preware needs that support Oct 23 01:31:28 I don't think preware should have that Oct 23 01:31:28 why would we EVER say used the app catalog instead Oct 23 01:31:28 maybe in a iknowwhatimdoing sorta way Oct 23 01:31:28 egaudet: using erp is way overkill Oct 23 01:31:29 it's not overkill Oct 23 01:31:41 yeah it dont have to be a aunt minnie feature Oct 23 01:31:45 you shouldn't assume any of your patches work after an update right? Oct 23 01:31:58 such an assumption is bad Oct 23 01:32:32 And leaving stuff around after update and without running EPR could cause future "bad" recovery issues Oct 23 01:32:34 some do Oct 23 01:32:45 and some still say applied Oct 23 01:32:57 for things that clearly are overwritten Oct 23 01:33:07 and i dont want to use erp to remove it so i can reapply it Oct 23 01:33:21 so you want a "smart" EPR Oct 23 01:33:22 is rwhitby here? Oct 23 01:33:39 that removes only things that have been overwritten Oct 23 01:33:47 but that's hard to find out Oct 23 01:33:49 epr should be an app that allows you to set restore points, along with a remove all patches option. Oct 23 01:33:50 no i dont want smart Oct 23 01:33:53 i want something manual Oct 23 01:34:00 a force remove with no prerm Oct 23 01:34:19 that's a preware thing Oct 23 01:34:30 wouldn't be terrible to be added as an "expert use" feature Oct 23 01:34:35 never exposed to minnie Oct 23 01:34:52 I still don't see what you are getting from it puff Oct 23 01:34:58 you SHOULD run EPR after an update... always Oct 23 01:35:12 naaa Oct 23 01:35:14 the backup file will remain Oct 23 01:35:24 and that backup file needs to be removed Oct 23 01:35:29 im afraid of erp more than i was of patches Oct 23 01:35:31 because it's a back up of an OLD version Oct 23 01:35:35 hahah Oct 23 01:35:39 EPR is your friend, believe me Oct 23 01:36:01 EPR is the only protection for updating Oct 23 01:38:48 any of you have the holdem app Oct 23 01:38:56 we should get a webos table going Oct 23 01:39:22 is there a texas holdem app? Oct 23 01:39:29 PuffTheMagic_, if you update and don't run EPR... NEVER run EPR again in the future Oct 23 01:39:30 yeah free too Oct 23 01:39:36 its in the palm catalog Oct 23 01:39:39 app catalog? Oct 23 01:39:42 cool Oct 23 01:39:49 crap holdem app? brb Oct 23 01:40:08 there is craps too Oct 23 01:40:13 but its crappy Oct 23 01:40:17 im PuffTheMagic on the holdem app Oct 23 01:40:24 in cause you wanna add me as a friend Oct 23 01:45:49 rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/mc448c44 Oct 23 01:47:06 dBsooner: for versions, I figured just 1.1.3 and 1.2.1 to start, and then add from there. Oct 23 01:47:14 ok Oct 23 01:47:16 that's fine Oct 23 01:47:21 makes it easier. ;) Oct 23 01:47:36 maintainer will happen automatically, cause they need a precentral account to submit Oct 23 01:47:52 rightg Oct 23 01:47:54 i put that there Oct 23 01:48:06 **SHOULD be username from precentral** Oct 23 01:48:07 ;) Oct 23 01:49:11 in the title Oct 23 01:49:38 I am changing that from "NO usernames" to "No personalizations (usernames, company names, website name, etc) Oct 23 01:49:52 bclancy doesn't hold back: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1993266#post1993266 Oct 23 01:50:43 lol, its a good post Oct 23 01:52:02 I feel like thanking him Oct 23 01:52:08 Hi again....I noticed a strange problem with the feeds in Preware after I updated the package manager today... Oct 23 01:52:21 If I go into feeds, I'm getting duplicates for some of them Oct 23 01:52:25 duplicated ones you disabled? Oct 23 01:52:27 re-disable them Oct 23 01:52:29 yeah, someone had that problem earlier Oct 23 01:52:44 yeah i was gonna mention that too Oct 23 01:52:51 2 instances of Precentral-themes, and 2 instances of Prethemer Oct 23 01:52:58 Rod fixed it already Oct 23 01:52:59 ++ Oct 23 01:53:09 it will be in next release, need some people to test it from test feed Oct 23 01:53:13 rwhitby: updated: http://webos.pastebin.com/d71ec1501 Oct 23 01:53:20 Ok...I'll wait for the fix. Oct 23 01:53:32 NiteTrek, if you re-disable the duplicates, they will go away Oct 23 01:54:21 egaudet: I think I'll push that now Oct 23 01:54:51 Ok...that was easy enough...disabled and updated...should've tried that before asking. :) Oct 23 01:55:03 k Oct 23 01:55:21 Thanks for the help. Oct 23 01:55:29 egaudet: do you see anything that needs changed in my link i just posted to rwhitby? Oct 23 01:56:02 Path_version? Oct 23 01:56:04 get rid of it Oct 23 01:56:28 have precentral start at 1 and increment each time someone updates the item in the gallery Oct 23 01:56:32 do they allow gallery updates? Oct 23 01:57:07 how are they going to handle metadata updates without forcing users to update? Can they? will they? Oct 23 01:58:09 egaudet: that is the XML i want to see built Oct 23 01:58:37 Patch_Version won't be a field a user can input if we dont' want it to be.. bu tI wnat to see it passed in the xml Oct 23 01:59:04 i don't think maintainer SHOULD be precentral username, but can default to that if they don't want to supply name Oct 23 01:59:12 wooot Oct 23 01:59:16 i just flopped a straight Oct 23 01:59:33 that doesn't sound like wircd development... :) Oct 23 01:59:35 * PuffTheMagic_ will go all in after the turn Oct 23 02:00:05 why puff Oct 23 02:00:19 unless there's a draw on the board Oct 23 02:00:20 why what? Oct 23 02:00:34 the pot is pretty big Oct 23 02:00:48 and someone called Oct 23 02:01:11 * PuffTheMagic_ wins the hand Oct 23 02:01:31 i added puffthemagic as friend Oct 23 02:01:33 accept it now Oct 23 02:01:47 i dont see anything Oct 23 02:01:49 whats your name Oct 23 02:01:52 i can add u to the game Oct 23 02:02:16 guess u have to be a friend first Oct 23 02:02:23 emoney_33 Oct 23 02:04:23 I want to play Oct 23 02:04:27 nope it's emoney33 Oct 23 02:04:29 nevermind Oct 23 02:04:32 no _ allowed Oct 23 02:05:00 dBsooner: then download it Oct 23 02:05:06 it likes like 25min to install though Oct 23 02:05:27 unless u have fair dinkum Oct 23 02:05:32 to fix the du issue Oct 23 02:05:46 I have to spend REAL money to buy FAKE chips? Oct 23 02:05:57 no Oct 23 02:06:01 u start off with a bunch Oct 23 02:06:06 and get 1000 free every day Oct 23 02:06:19 dBsooner, what's this about no company names? Oct 23 02:06:24 u have to got he chip section to get your free 1000 Oct 23 02:06:25 invite me to table Oct 23 02:06:30 egaudet: i cant yet Oct 23 02:06:33 you are not a friend Oct 23 02:06:37 u have to be a friend first Oct 23 02:06:38 to add Oct 23 02:06:44 oh my friend CODE Oct 23 02:06:44 and idk if i can add with out leaving the table Oct 23 02:06:47 what is this, card ace? Oct 23 02:06:48 is 150718 Oct 23 02:06:52 what is your friend CODE? Oct 23 02:07:02 yea oil Oct 23 02:07:08 PuffTheMagic_: BTW, the latest fairdinkum doesn't change 'du' any more, but just fakes the ipkg return list when LunaSysMgr calls it. Oct 23 02:07:28 samk1: none in the title, but fine in the description. Oct 23 02:08:30 rwhitby, ok, that sounds better. was already planning to withdraw my patches from the feed... Oct 23 02:08:36 i have fair dinkum installed Oct 23 02:08:39 and I still have error Oct 23 02:08:59 not enough memory Oct 23 02:09:03 dBsooner: if you have less than 100MiB free in /var, you need MvApp too. Oct 23 02:09:27 sigh Oct 23 02:09:49 why can't there be a "REQUIRED" on App catalog? Oct 23 02:09:52 sheesh.. I mean come on! Oct 23 02:11:01 mvapp hasn't been made a package yet? Oct 23 02:11:11 dBsooner, yea it has Oct 23 02:11:13 list of everything Oct 23 02:11:13 * oil is 150752 Oct 23 02:11:15 or available other Oct 23 02:11:16 i did Oct 23 02:11:22 and oil can we do available misc instead of other Oct 23 02:11:26 and have it default view? Oct 23 02:11:43 aunt minnie can't find things like EPR Oct 23 02:12:31 yeah, i could change it Oct 23 02:12:36 i have no "other" Oct 23 02:13:49 there Oct 23 02:15:05 egaudet: ok i will leave the table after this hand Oct 23 02:15:08 we can start a new table Oct 23 02:15:14 who else is gonna play? Oct 23 02:15:23 * oil is down Oct 23 02:15:26 im working on it Oct 23 02:15:38 * dBsooner is actually going to use his phone. Oct 23 02:15:44 dBsooner: let's continue the submission restrictions discussion on email Oct 23 02:16:00 rwhitby: ok Oct 23 02:16:11 my code is 149422 Oct 23 02:16:22 rwhitby: Can you post my most recent pastebin into the email thread? ;) Oct 23 02:16:43 dBsooner: I'd say just post the deltas from the current page Oct 23 02:17:02 i see 2 offline friends Oct 23 02:17:04 where are you all Oct 23 02:17:14 dBsooner: got account yet? Oct 23 02:17:33 working on mvapp first Oct 23 02:17:52 god dam Oct 23 02:18:00 delete some of that bs u have installed Oct 23 02:18:01 i joined your table Oct 23 02:18:05 and it said everyone has left this table Oct 23 02:18:06 i just left it Oct 23 02:18:07 lol Oct 23 02:18:13 cause i was waitint for db Oct 23 02:18:31 we got any more players coming? Oct 23 02:18:32 * oil sees two friends offline Oct 23 02:18:50 you both are offline Oct 23 02:18:54 someone open a table Oct 23 02:19:08 i will after db is ready Oct 23 02:19:14 so i can invite you all at once Oct 23 02:19:34 im trying to have a bm here Oct 23 02:19:34 sheesh Oct 23 02:19:42 mvapp bm ;) Oct 23 02:19:55 * oil is getting tired of waiting, thinks about going for food Oct 23 02:19:56 open the table Oct 23 02:20:01 and i'll join of my friend list Oct 23 02:20:04 dooo it Oct 23 02:20:24 open Oct 23 02:21:36 man I need to webos-nurse Oct 23 02:21:39 meta-nurse Oct 23 02:23:12 Howdy Oct 23 02:23:54 gimme those blinds Oct 23 02:24:02 Abyssul: download holdem NOW! Oct 23 02:24:33 If I had $10,000 I'd be a millionaire Oct 23 02:24:41 Hold'em? Oct 23 02:24:47 palm catalog Oct 23 02:24:49 now! Oct 23 02:24:51 Why... Oct 23 02:24:58 join the webos game :D Oct 23 02:25:07 because it's a webos-internals hold em break Oct 23 02:25:07 hmm i dont know how to play holdem :p Oct 23 02:25:20 Ill dl it Oct 23 02:25:26 oil: shall I release the current git as preware 0.9.5 ? Oct 23 02:25:38 ooo, 0.9.5 is ready? Oct 23 02:26:30 dBsooner, you here? Oct 23 02:26:44 Yeah.. give me a min Oct 23 02:26:45 freakout-work: it's been in the testing feed for almost 24 hours ;-) Oct 23 02:26:48 tryting to join webos game Oct 23 02:26:48 ;) Oct 23 02:27:01 freakout-work: can you test it? Oct 23 02:27:02 dBsooner, scroll up and add our CODES as friends Oct 23 02:27:04 do your profile first Oct 23 02:27:18 No luck with the patch then? Oct 23 02:27:19 fucker Oct 23 02:27:20 Puff lol what are you calling with Oct 23 02:27:40 do we need #webos-poker ? Oct 23 02:27:42 rwhitby: not for another four hours Oct 23 02:27:45 rwhitby: freaking work! Oct 23 02:27:50 lol Oct 23 02:27:53 freakout-work: did you Pre arrive? Oct 23 02:27:59 fold Oct 23 02:28:20 bpadalino: you gonna join Oct 23 02:28:27 rwhitby: nope Oct 23 02:28:32 we gotta get dBsooner in here Oct 23 02:28:32 puff where'd ya go Oct 23 02:28:45 i busted oil too :P Oct 23 02:28:45 im gonna wait for dBsooner Oct 23 02:28:49 lol Oct 23 02:28:55 no thanks .. i'm good for now Oct 23 02:28:57 rwhitby: Torsten told me it was on Oz already, but I checked the tracking page today and it says it's left Germany but no confirmation it's hear yet Oct 23 02:28:57 egaudet is a bully Oct 23 02:28:57 freakout-work: so not today? Oct 23 02:29:08 freakout-work: doh! Oct 23 02:29:08 dBsooner: hurry up Oct 23 02:29:13 im trying! Oct 23 02:29:18 rwhitby: idk, think whats been added is worthy of a .1 increase? Oct 23 02:29:19 its taking like 45 mins to install Oct 23 02:29:21 rwhitby: lol. doh is correct Oct 23 02:29:27 did you get upgrade-dependencies working? Oct 23 02:29:32 plus I had to mvapp bm like 30 apps Oct 23 02:29:35 I might have to go back to fulltilt Oct 23 02:29:40 freakout-work: damn :/ Oct 23 02:29:40 and earn some money Oct 23 02:30:01 who is mvapp dev? Oct 23 02:30:01 oil: working enough for a first release Oct 23 02:30:07 can we make an option for "mvapp ALL" Oct 23 02:30:14 fine with me then rwhitby Oct 23 02:30:25 dBsooner: bulkmv Oct 23 02:30:31 that's what I am doing Oct 23 02:30:36 dBsooner, you add any of those patches yet? Oct 23 02:30:37 "mvapp bulkmv" Oct 23 02:30:42 Wow, this app is really developed Oct 23 02:30:47 dBsooner: right - we need an 'A' option Oct 23 02:30:55 yep. Oct 23 02:31:00 egaudet: i need to add a pic to my profile :D Oct 23 02:31:14 y/N/q/A Oct 23 02:31:36 actually [n]/y/A/q Oct 23 02:31:41 yea you like my dog :P Oct 23 02:31:47 * oil takes picture of his ass for the 'unhappy' one Oct 23 02:31:55 lol Oct 23 02:32:15 dBsooner: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oct 23 02:32:26 that one go made my pre so hot Oct 23 02:32:26 jeez Oct 23 02:32:29 what is this game doing Oct 23 02:32:31 lingfish: yep, But I'm happy to wat now that i know it's on the way Oct 23 02:32:44 oil: now i want to join this game :/ Oct 23 02:33:00 need friends Oct 23 02:33:07 we already know your pic would just be of you in shortshorts Oct 23 02:33:10 oil: its 5mb Oct 23 02:33:19 and drains matteyr quick Oct 23 02:33:22 oil: that is freakout-work Oct 23 02:33:24 srsly Oct 23 02:33:31 and i was already in the red before that game started Oct 23 02:33:38 now it wants to die till i charge it Oct 23 02:33:57 how did u guys join the table Oct 23 02:33:58 cause when i made it Oct 23 02:34:02 i checked private Oct 23 02:34:08 was it the invite? Oct 23 02:34:11 NEED FRIENDS Oct 23 02:34:17 i went to friends list, clicked your name, tapped join Oct 23 02:34:29 oh Oct 23 02:34:54 my friend code: 150835 Oct 23 02:34:54 I need friends! Oct 23 02:34:54 my friends code was posted aboec Oct 23 02:35:03 wooot Oct 23 02:35:03 but im sitting out due to no battery Oct 23 02:35:04 and need for food Oct 23 02:35:28 nooooooo Oct 23 02:35:32 we just got 4players Oct 23 02:35:36 plug in and play Oct 23 02:35:39 PuffTheMagic_: what's your friend? Oct 23 02:35:44 oil? Oct 23 02:35:48 egaudet? Oct 23 02:36:04 i added you Oct 23 02:36:09 hmm Oct 23 02:36:11 * oil is 150752 Oct 23 02:36:38 150718 Oct 23 02:36:40 * PuffTheMagic_ is 149422 Oct 23 02:37:07 oil: u are not leaving yet Oct 23 02:37:08 cool Oct 23 02:37:10 u are playing! Oct 23 02:37:12 oh, i am Oct 23 02:37:13 you're all offline? Oct 23 02:37:14 leaving that is Oct 23 02:37:36 as soon as i have enough battery for tunes while i go to the drive-thru Oct 23 02:38:49 but ill join in a lil bit Oct 23 02:39:03 guess we play 40$ game till then Oct 23 02:39:37 egaudet: u gonna come back? Oct 23 02:39:47 ofcourse he is Oct 23 02:39:51 he took all our money last time Oct 23 02:39:59 haha Oct 23 02:40:01 my best hand the whole time was a pair of 5s Oct 23 02:40:20 i dont even know how to play fully Oct 23 02:40:43 oil don't feel bad, even Phil Ivey is afraid of me Oct 23 02:40:51 yuck Oct 23 02:40:55 * oil doesnt know who that is Oct 23 02:40:59 * oil will brb Oct 23 02:41:00 app needs to enable the screen timeout Oct 23 02:41:06 ivey = best poker player alive Oct 23 02:41:17 freakout is 14/f/aus Oct 23 02:41:27 egaudet: see my avatar... my cat is like "what up hommie" Oct 23 02:42:10 Is he "puffing the magic" ? Oct 23 02:42:22 i dont see your avatar... Oct 23 02:43:28 freakout-work: keep us updated... I'm like a kid at christmas over this delivery, as no doubt you are! Oct 23 02:43:35 egaudet: i see u changing yours all the time Oct 23 02:43:38 freakout-work: perhaps it'll still be today Oct 23 02:44:04 yours is just that default block guy Oct 23 02:44:15 it shouldnt be Oct 23 02:44:49 it is Oct 23 02:45:38 xD Oct 23 02:45:41 what if you click on on my avitar Oct 23 02:45:43 avitar Oct 23 02:45:54 still block guy Oct 23 02:46:04 wtf Oct 23 02:46:36 rwhitby- Ive got ubuntu installed and running, im on step two now getting meta-doctor Oct 23 02:46:51 jonaddis84: excellent! Oct 23 02:47:21 so im following those instructions from the precentral thread Oct 23 02:47:24 I gotta step out ofr a min Oct 23 02:47:29 I need to get these patches into the feed Oct 23 02:47:36 nooooo Oct 23 02:47:39 i have to Oct 23 02:47:41 give me a min Oct 23 02:47:46 im at typing git clone....i assume i need to do this from root? Oct 23 02:47:49 you get everyone else in there and I'll pause Oct 23 02:47:59 jonaddis84: actually, no root required. Oct 23 02:48:05 rwhitby: you back to 2gb /var? Oct 23 02:48:29 dBsooner: I forget. I took everything off anyway for the tests of my GSM Pre last night. Oct 23 02:49:08 damnit puff Oct 23 02:49:33 did you do the keyboard transplant yet ? Oct 23 02:49:39 ? Oct 23 02:50:21 ok, its telling me git is not found Oct 23 02:50:25 bpadalino: don't have the unit yet. The testing was done in Germany. Oct 23 02:50:34 jonaddis84: sudo apt-get install git Oct 23 02:50:38 ah, sorry - i didn't realize Oct 23 02:50:53 bpadalino: I got stefan to test all the hardware before shipping. Oct 23 02:51:05 no dead pixels? :) Oct 23 02:51:13 no dead pixels :-) :-) Oct 23 02:51:18 very nice Oct 23 02:51:26 * rwhitby hates dead pixels with a passion Oct 23 02:51:41 my chat window on cardace ismessed up Oct 23 02:52:22 i got like 5 dead pixels Oct 23 02:52:25 in random spots Oct 23 02:52:58 the top left of my phone got some random weird light shining through internal crackage Oct 23 02:53:10 My Pre is pretty good so far. A little slider loose but thats ok Oct 23 02:53:33 Mine's a launch day Oct 23 02:53:35 dBsooner: my brother got his replaced cause of dead pixels Oct 23 02:53:54 PuffTheMagic_: but that's my only issue. Oct 23 02:54:02 was his only issue Oct 23 02:54:02 I don't want to chance it for a few silly pixels Oct 23 02:54:05 this cardace game is free for a reason Oct 23 02:54:08 it's awful Oct 23 02:54:14 it's slow as dirt Oct 23 02:54:15 What? Oct 23 02:54:16 wtf Oct 23 02:54:21 i think its good Oct 23 02:54:24 the chat got stuck, the leave table got stuck, the back gesture makes the screen dim slightly each back gesture Oct 23 02:54:26 I think its smooth and presents it well Oct 23 02:54:54 egaudet: its better when there are more people Oct 23 02:54:59 cause then u got get fucked with lag Oct 23 02:55:25 Im waiting for online checkers :) Oct 23 02:57:50 would anyone be willing to try to patch the libertas wifi drivers using the olpc patch & then try compiling to arm? Oct 23 02:58:04 dont work Oct 23 02:58:07 for monitor mode :( i compiled it, but it doesnt work right Oct 23 02:58:11 doesnt? fawk Oct 23 02:58:12 olpc is usb driver Oct 23 02:58:13 :[ Oct 23 02:58:19 pre is sdio or mmc Oct 23 02:58:24 the first one i think Oct 23 02:58:35 :( Oct 23 02:58:42 it seems possible tho Oct 23 02:58:50 im pretty sure the chip supports it Oct 23 02:58:58 but i didnt realize olpc was usb :( Oct 23 02:59:07 the chip supports what? Oct 23 02:59:13 monitor mode Oct 23 02:59:17 i wanna get kismet working ;o Oct 23 02:59:23 yeah but no drivers for the pre do Oct 23 02:59:29 the code for the pre wifi isnt public Oct 23 02:59:30 i know :( Oct 23 02:59:35 erm Oct 23 02:59:38 i didnt know that :\ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 23 02:59:57 2009