**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 23 02:59:57 2009 Oct 23 03:00:02 so if you patched & recompiled the drivers u still dont think it would work? Oct 23 03:00:13 you cant apply a patch to code that dont exist Oct 23 03:01:37 so the drivers from marvell wouldnt work? Oct 23 03:01:54 nope Oct 23 03:01:57 sdfsg: lbs? Oct 23 03:02:12 PuffTheMagic_: there is source for mvl8k drivers Oct 23 03:02:36 tmzt: they didnt work when i built and loaded any marvel drivers Oct 23 03:02:42 unless i didnt pass the right args when i loaded the modules Oct 23 03:03:02 sd8xxx didnt work from source Oct 23 03:03:08 and neither did libertas driver Oct 23 03:03:16 what firmware? Oct 23 03:03:22 So it seems we need a monitor private ioctl for the wireless chipset. Which i am assuming has to be modified somewhere in the driver. Oct 23 03:03:28 used the one on the pre and other ones i found online Oct 23 03:03:28 ^ from precentral thread Oct 23 03:03:29 :[ Oct 23 03:08:00 good night Oct 23 03:08:09 done taking all puffs money? Oct 23 03:09:22 :) I was done after the damn thing started messing up on me Oct 23 03:09:31 rwhitby- so if i type sudo apt-get install git-core that downloads the meta-doctor? Oct 23 03:09:56 jonaddis84: no, that installs the git program which you then use to download the meta-doctor Oct 23 03:10:13 now I sleep Oct 23 03:10:34 ok, so what do i type to download meta doctor? Oct 23 03:10:39 sweet dreams of freakouts short shorts Oct 23 03:11:10 jonaddis84: the git clone line Oct 23 03:11:18 ah ok Oct 23 03:11:37 * AnOutsider is done watching real houswives... Oct 23 03:11:43 sooo.. whatcha dooooin ;) Oct 23 03:12:18 jonaddis84: please add the git-core installation to the wiki Oct 23 03:12:33 AnOutsider: reviewing Installer: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1993409#post1993409 Oct 23 03:12:37 yep, im typing up the edit as i go along Oct 23 03:12:56 this is like learning a whole new language, i guess it pretty much is Oct 23 03:13:41 so if i already have the palm sdk installed on my computer do i need to do that step still? Oct 23 03:13:53 its installed on the windows os though Oct 23 03:15:16 AnOutsider: download holdem! Oct 23 03:15:20 jonaddis84: you need to copy the webOS Doctor .jar file over Oct 23 03:15:26 or just download a new one Oct 23 03:16:05 egaudet: lunasysmgr is using 90% cpu Oct 23 03:16:09 id rather copy it, how do i go about doing that? Oct 23 03:16:10 playing holdem Oct 23 03:16:34 rwhitby: interesting, another entry to the "smart installers"? Oct 23 03:16:54 oh, just a "branch" it seems. *reads thread* Oct 23 03:17:29 AnOutsider: cosmetic changes, but great plans to speed things up! Oct 23 03:18:27 "Rod, personally I'd love to see an option to disable theme feeds on preware.. They take too much time to load, and I generally don't use them." - amazing, people want new software, and dont even know what their current software is capable of Oct 23 03:20:00 AnOutsider: YOU CAN Oct 23 03:20:11 I know, shocking discovery aint it Oct 23 03:20:49 * oil adds "We Did It First." to random subtitles Oct 23 03:20:57 hahaha Oct 23 03:21:05 puff-so palm doesnt have to provide source to wifi drivers? Oct 23 03:21:06 rwhitby: you totally need to learn how to multiquote ;) Oct 23 03:21:14 lol, he does Oct 23 03:21:15 even tho the drivers themselves are open source from marvell? Oct 23 03:21:21 ive thought about bringing it up before, but didn't Oct 23 03:22:10 * AnOutsider is fearless. *superman pose* Oct 23 03:22:51 on page 3 and still no screens of this new app? Oct 23 03:22:59 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/installer Oct 23 03:23:04 not that a screen is really needed Oct 23 03:23:14 think preware with word changes Oct 23 03:23:17 tee hee. I always forget pc has other sections Oct 23 03:23:28 thats really all he's learned from it sofar Oct 23 03:23:29 haha "we did it again" Oct 23 03:23:39 now does my message above make more sense? Oct 23 03:23:57 it made sense to begin with, but it's even more appropriate now Oct 23 03:24:07 AnOutsider: if I multiquote, then my avatar doesn't appear as many times in the thread ... Oct 23 03:24:14 lol Oct 23 03:24:28 I'll echo the sentiments of the thread: he has every right to fork open source code, but this is a pointless project. if he wanted ot learn he coudl do so privately Oct 23 03:24:34 rwhitby; ah, marketing Oct 23 03:24:57 "How about a search feature?" *bangs head against wall* Oct 23 03:25:07 AnOutsider: never ascribe to marketing what can be accounted for by ineptitude Oct 23 03:25:23 this is why I hate interacting with end users. Bunch of I.D. 10 T-'s Oct 23 03:26:08 lol Oct 23 03:27:51 oh snap, rod got snippy. *grabs popcorn* Oct 23 03:27:53 milominderbinders post is nice Oct 23 03:29:02 o wait,t hat wasnt rod. see the dang avatar threw me off Oct 23 03:30:02 Someone stole preware? :O Oct 23 03:30:09 gay Oct 23 03:30:13 he forked it without asking Oct 23 03:30:15 it IS opensource Oct 23 03:30:23 aye Oct 23 03:30:53 under GPL he still has to publish his changes back to webos-internals since he's distributing it, right? Oct 23 03:31:30 as for milominder's post, it would be a lot easier of jason made the on-device theme app :) Oct 23 03:31:32 idk, i've never read the license Oct 23 03:31:35 or if you did it oil. chop chop Oct 23 03:31:53 really dude Oct 23 03:31:56 you should just fork preware Oct 23 03:32:01 psykoz: he has a public source repo Oct 23 03:32:11 and add all sorts of theme-specific stuff to it Oct 23 03:32:50 rwhitby, under GPL if you just fork + open a new public repository you're not required to push changes back to the original project? Oct 23 03:32:57 psykoz: nope Oct 23 03:33:09 he's not doing anything wrong. Oct 23 03:33:15 gotcha, I definitely make no claims to be a GPL expert, I'm a BSD guy myself ;> Oct 23 03:33:17 I should. but I'd rather fork preware and just make a THEMED version of preware. call it themeware Oct 23 03:33:17 rwhitby- what would be the easiest way to get the webosdoctor and palm sdk over to ubuntu from windows? Oct 23 03:33:29 AnOutsider: thats what i mean Oct 23 03:33:35 jonaddis84: shared folders in Virtualbox Oct 23 03:33:43 then you can still use all the package-installing-etc code from preware Oct 23 03:34:17 * rwhitby is waiting to see what Opal Coba will do with the Preware update I do later today .. Oct 23 03:34:41 no, see you were being logical, I was being bass ackwards and silly Oct 23 03:34:48 lingfish: where do i know you from? ;) Oct 23 03:34:51 and yes, we spoke about that before, and I may consider doing it Oct 23 03:35:12 really it'll just me minor changes to the current ode and more theme-specific handlings Oct 23 03:35:33 haha got to milom's second post. classic :) Oct 23 03:35:36 * rwhitby chuckles at http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/210967-installer-4.html#post1993420 Oct 23 03:35:55 yeah Oct 23 03:36:48 yeah that's the post I meant. his response is even better Oct 23 03:37:13 Guess he'll just have to spend a lot of time merging changes if he wants to keep up with the power of 10 Oct 23 03:37:19 Needless to say, I don't think WOI has anything to worry about from this guy (other than icnreased workload due to stupidity) Oct 23 03:37:38 why did precentral even post this app? I mean I know they want to be open and all, but really? Oct 23 03:38:01 same app, different settings. not even music remix-style changes, basically stuff a quick thread with how-to could do Oct 23 03:38:21 lol Oct 23 03:39:11 well his plans are to develop background-updating Oct 23 03:39:11 something we've obviously never thought of Oct 23 03:39:14 and to speed it up Oct 23 03:39:19 something we've never attempted to do Oct 23 03:39:29 yet, how he's going to do that, he doesn't know, he has to look at the code still Oct 23 03:39:43 this is basically a tool who wanted to rip off some code, make a few tweaks and call it his Oct 23 03:39:53 Is this the right time to say you guys just unfortunately were stuck with a ... http://i.imgur.com/oJ0Fx.jpg Oct 23 03:40:00 And he has the cure Oct 23 03:40:08 lol Oct 23 03:40:15 nevermind the "pre" pun ;) Oct 23 03:40:21 * psykoz would never make puns Oct 23 03:41:07 freakout-work: not sure? Do you know me? I note the winky but I'm not making the connection :$ Oct 23 03:41:38 lingfish: I just wondered why you were so excited. you in Oz too? Oct 23 03:41:58 (winky was 'cause i didn't want to come across as rude in any way) Oct 23 03:42:07 freakout-work: sure am. Literally waiting on your/Rod's hack testing, and I'll be importing one myself Oct 23 03:42:40 I'm the one that did all the investigative work on if it'll come to .au or not (story on precentral today) Oct 23 03:43:08 rwhitby: I think the most important question here, is what you plan to do now that the Aussie's have denied the uncensored version of L4D2? Oct 23 03:43:11 I would have majorly lol'd if Jon Rubinstein himself had actually replied to me Oct 23 03:43:13 inquiring minds want to know Oct 23 03:43:53 l4d is such a fun game Oct 23 03:44:45 lingfish: gah, you bastard! :p Oct 23 03:44:51 lingfish: did you tip off PreCentral? Oct 23 03:45:05 lingfish: I had a post for PalmInfocenter coming on it all tomorrow Oct 23 03:45:06 doesn't everyone? Oct 23 03:45:11 lingfish: you scooped me :p Oct 23 03:45:18 oil: I do it just to see freakout-work's reaction Oct 23 03:45:29 * freakout-work is freaking out Oct 23 03:45:56 I've been phoning Palm Singapore all day, lol Oct 23 03:46:27 lingfish: but i appreciate the investigation nonetheless Oct 23 03:46:33 freakout-work: lol... I started my investigations about 2 weeks ago Oct 23 03:48:05 freakout-work: http://geeklog.lucid.net.au/article.php?story=20091020115532433 Oct 23 03:48:24 Has your parcel tracker updated yet? :D Oct 23 03:48:33 lingfish: lol i'm looking right now Oct 23 03:49:08 last update was.... 22.10.09 11:17 Departure from outward Office of Exchange in Country of Origin Oct 23 03:49:20 damn! Oct 23 03:49:46 I've found that stuff to be entirely useless once it leaves an origin country anyway (when I've imported photography gear from the US, for eg) Oct 23 03:53:22 lingfish: yeah, typical eh? DHL tell me that it'll go from Deutsche Post straight to australia post, so i might actually phone them and harrass them a bit Oct 23 03:53:44 lingfish: tell them it's vital medical supplies or something... Oct 23 03:55:07 First call for Installer to be removed from app gallery: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1993510#post1993514 Oct 23 03:55:28 i really wish we could get someone with that not-appearing-after-install bug to get us more info Oct 23 03:55:37 after that last post i just tried removing preware Oct 23 03:55:48 and reinstalling it Oct 23 03:55:51 and its still there just fine Oct 23 03:55:55 hehehehe Oct 23 03:56:22 did that guy that said he was going to get into irc and help you debug ever show up rwhitby? Oct 23 03:56:23 +1 that post. although he doesn't seem clever enough to embed malware Oct 23 03:56:27 freakout-work: I'm hopeless when something was meant to turn up on a Fri... as then you have weekend play time Oct 23 03:56:33 AnOutsider, aussies OFCL unfortunately denies almost every game these days :( Oct 23 03:56:58 err OFLC Oct 23 03:57:13 oil: nope Oct 23 03:57:36 Denied Ghost Recon: Predator, Fallout 3, wants to put ratings on iPhone apps Oct 23 03:58:32 They're just as bad as Germany's ratings board Oct 23 03:59:36 fallout 3 is also an awesome game Oct 23 04:00:58 oil: got someone on the preware thread who has the problem and can run linux commands Oct 23 04:01:15 I'm checking the Status: not-installed theory Oct 23 04:01:34 I would have liked fallout3 more if it wasn't fallout oblivion :) Oct 23 04:02:42 speaking of which Oct 23 04:03:19 i downloaded that latest DLC, and need to play it still Oct 23 04:03:27 lingfish: what will enrage me is if I get home and find a "sorry we missed you" card in my letterbox xD Oct 23 04:03:38 * oil hates those notes Oct 23 04:04:31 * freakout-work hates them, especially 'cause the post office is never, ever, ever open late for collectin Oct 23 04:07:15 * freakout-work notices the PalmCast is up for download. will listen when he gets home, prepare appropriate flames Oct 23 04:08:06 So has anyone done the memory tweaks that guy posted on Luna and also balancing out /tmp and /swap ? Oct 23 04:09:13 psykoz: I used those tweaks, and I was the one that turned the fstab one into a patch originally. Oct 23 04:09:31 Oh, there's a patch for them now? Oct 23 04:09:39 yup. Oct 23 04:10:00 I made a patch for one, which jason cleaned up a little, and somebody else turned the other one into a patch. Oct 23 04:10:04 cool, do they offer what they say they do, ie: some level of performance that is better than before? Oct 23 04:10:35 The performance increase is significant in some situations, slightly reduced in a very few situations. Oct 23 04:10:48 for example, videos play better, but take slightly longe to load Oct 23 04:11:02 the main difference is that you can have FAR more open cards at the same time. Oct 23 04:11:29 Videos from the actual video app, right? Oct 23 04:11:36 yes. Oct 23 04:12:01 When I load up a 350MB feature film, it takes significantly longer to load, but plays more smoothly, and FF/RW more smoothly. Oct 23 04:13:21 The only catch is that they are not available in the feeds. Oct 23 04:13:35 queue dBsooners submission page Oct 23 04:13:45 They are deliberately not in the feeds. Oct 23 04:13:50 cue* Oct 23 04:14:32 Vee, nod sounds logical Oct 23 04:14:48 oil: There are still some unanswered questions about potential problems with other parts of WebOS. Nobody has run into any serious ones, but I don't have a good enough understanding of the underpinnings of the system to feel confident that putting it in the feeds would be safe. Oct 23 04:15:08 aunt minnie would totally install it Oct 23 04:15:12 lol Oct 23 04:15:28 well, I may put my fstab patch up in the feeds when I get home then. Oct 23 04:15:33 like this one Oct 23 04:15:33 http://i33.tinypic.com/5xo1ev.png Oct 23 04:15:35 semi-impossible to do here at work. Oct 23 04:15:51 I can't even get on the regular forum. I have to use the mobile site from my desktop. Oct 23 04:18:40 how hard would it be to patch launcher where the pages wrapped? for example swiping left from 1st page would goto last, swiping from last would go back to first? Oct 23 04:18:52 i was looking @ launcher but idk Oct 23 04:20:42 it could probably be done, idk how fancy it would look Oct 23 04:21:26 wouldnt have to be fancy ;o Oct 23 04:21:27 you could listen for a flick to the side with a certain amount of speed and flip to the last one Oct 23 04:21:40 atleast, im guessing you could Oct 23 04:21:43 there isnt any event or anything when u try to swipe from first or last Oct 23 04:21:45 i've never looked in the launcher code Oct 23 04:21:45 & it just bounces? Oct 23 04:22:13 yeah, idk Oct 23 04:22:23 im just guessing Oct 23 04:22:26 cause like if you add more pages Oct 23 04:22:29 there has to be somewhere Oct 23 04:22:32 i dont know how they're doing the pages Oct 23 04:22:33 where it checks if last page Oct 23 04:22:33 idk Oct 23 04:22:46 if its like a scroller, or more like a imageview widget Oct 23 04:22:52 it would be nice tho since i have like 5 pages :( Oct 23 04:23:16 seems like overkill Oct 23 04:23:23 im just fine with 3 Oct 23 04:23:40 3x3 icons? Oct 23 04:23:42 app-store/builtin apps, then homebrew/personal creations, then settings Oct 23 04:23:55 no, 4x4 v3 Oct 23 04:24:22 i tried all the 4x4s & i liked v3 the best, but i couldnt set it up where i liked it D; Oct 23 04:24:30 idk i didnt try to organize it for very long Oct 23 04:24:45 thats why i had trouble adding another page Oct 23 04:24:47 not sure wtf to use it for Oct 23 04:24:52 lol Oct 23 04:25:46 i made a single page for games :/ Oct 23 04:25:55 and one for homebrew/stuff im doing Oct 23 04:30:02 cat /var/usr/lib/ipkg/status Oct 23 04:32:08 rwhitby: ping Oct 23 04:32:12 Ari_: hi Oct 23 04:32:22 oh hello Oct 23 04:32:31 Ari_: you're ariroth from PreCentral? Oct 23 04:32:49 yes - didnt relize this is a chat window - tnx for ur time Oct 23 04:33:04 excellent - let's get this thing worked out here and now. Oct 23 04:33:29 finally, someone willing to help! Oct 23 04:33:31 ;) Oct 23 04:33:41 Great - tell me what i should do Oct 23 04:33:46 Ari_: firstly, some background questions. What host OS are you running, what version of webos quick install, what versions of webOS and what carrier? Oct 23 04:34:02 Ari_: and how much time do you have available to debug this? Oct 23 04:34:05 * freakout-work rolls out red carpet for Ari_ Oct 23 04:34:12 freakout-work: yeah, I hate that BIGTIME... its why I get all my stuff shipped to work Oct 23 04:34:38 window VISTA, latest of WEBOS and quickinstall Oct 23 04:34:42 freakout-work: but you should be able to ring them and they will tell you if a delivery guy has picked it up for delivery or not Oct 23 04:35:13 how much time is needed, whats the debugging process all about? Oct 23 04:35:18 Ari_: specifically, which version of quick install? Oct 23 04:35:27 Ari_: should be 15 - 30 mins max Oct 23 04:35:40 2.82 Oct 23 04:35:41 you'll just be typing commands and telling us the output. No harm to your Pre. Oct 23 04:35:55 go right ahead Oct 23 04:36:07 Ari_: ls -l /var/etc/ipkg Oct 23 04:36:32 Ari_: please use webos.pastebin.com to paste the results, and tell us the URL it gives you Oct 23 04:36:33 root@castle: ls -l /var/etc/ipkg lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Oct 22 23:31 arch.conf -> /etc/ipkg/arch.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 69 Oct 22 22:00 canuck-software.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 122 Oct 22 23:31 optware.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 57 Oct 22 22:00 pimpmypre.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 73 Oct 22 22:00 precentral-themes.conf Oct 23 04:37:28 Ari_: if you use webos.pastebin.com, does that come out formatted better? Oct 23 04:37:39 and some files seem to be missing Oct 23 04:38:06 yes - just used that other site u gave me Oct 23 04:38:22 thats all the results i got, is my PRE messed up...? Oct 23 04:38:57 Ari_: webos.pastebin.com will give you a URL to paste here - can you paste it please? Oct 23 04:39:15 Like http://webos.pastebin.com/m415ee766 Oct 23 04:39:30 Ari_: that list on the pastebin looks fine. Oct 23 04:39:51 Ari: cat /var/etc/ipkg/webos-internals.conf Oct 23 04:40:01 please pastebin the output Oct 23 04:40:53 Rob. I know you are helping ariroth, but can you run two helps at once? Oct 23 04:40:58 Prepopsci: sure Oct 23 04:41:04 it's "Rod", BTW Oct 23 04:41:13 do i just paste it into the pastebin, under the prior paste? Oct 23 04:41:18 Sorry... :-) Oct 23 04:41:26 Ari_: click on "new post" first Oct 23 04:41:35 Prepopsci: no worries, mate. Oct 23 04:41:59 I just did an uninstall of both the PSM and Preware from quick install per your directions from the device manager. Oct 23 04:42:16 Prepopsci: ok Oct 23 04:42:23 I then reinstalled PSM via quick install per instructions from being of the thread. Oct 23 04:42:29 I rebooted phone. Oct 23 04:42:34 Prepopsci: correct Oct 23 04:42:50 Then I tried to install preware via quick install per instructions as beginning of thread. Oct 23 04:42:52 i clicked new post - pasted it in, it didnt change to give me anyhing like it did before Oct 23 04:43:09 Ari_: did you hit "Send" at the bottom? Oct 23 04:43:21 oops sorry for got http://webos.pastebin.com/m53256607 Oct 23 04:43:38 It goes through the connect to phone and install, but there is no icon in the launcher and it doesn't appear in the device manager. Oct 23 04:43:46 Ari_: ok, looks like the Package Manger Service is installed correctly. Oct 23 04:43:58 Ari_: ls -l /etc/event.d | grep webosinternals Oct 23 04:44:07 Ari_: please pastebin the output Oct 23 04:44:28 Prepopsci: excellent - you and Ari_ have the same problem Oct 23 04:44:47 http://webos.pastebin.com/m672c6e7b Oct 23 04:44:52 Prepopsci: can you get to a linux command line and do the same commands as I have given to Ari above and pastebin them too? Oct 23 04:45:07 Ari_: that all look good. Oct 23 04:45:25 Ari_: ipkg -o /var update Oct 23 04:45:42 Ari_: ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.preware Oct 23 04:45:52 I'm technically savvy, but I haven't been to a linux command line before. Oct 23 04:45:58 Ari_: please pastebin the output of those two commands Oct 23 04:46:13 Prepopsci: what host OS are you running? Oct 23 04:46:44 Sorry, your post tripped our spam/abuse filter - let us know if you think this could be improved Oct 23 04:46:49 Do you mean my PC OS? Oct 23 04:46:54 get this when i hit send Oct 23 04:48:00 Ari_: weird. Can you try http://pastebin.ca instead? Oct 23 04:48:14 Prepopsci: yes, your PC OS Oct 23 04:48:26 Vista Home Premium Oct 23 04:48:42 first - http://pastebin.ca/1639395 Oct 23 04:48:48 Prepopsci: ok, can you use the Command Line screen of WebOS Quick Install ? Oct 23 04:48:59 Ari_: good Oct 23 04:49:18 Probably. Where is it located in QI Oct 23 04:49:42 Tools -> Linux Commandline Oct 23 04:50:01 http://pastebin.ca/1639399 Oct 23 04:50:02 Then no..lol Oct 23 04:50:16 Prepopsci: you need the latest WebOS Quick Install Oct 23 04:50:38 Ari_: ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep webosinternals Oct 23 04:50:39 2,72 is not the latest? Oct 23 04:50:43 Prepopsci: nope Oct 23 04:50:58 Got it. BRB Oct 23 04:51:17 that's why I always ask for a specific version when people say they have the latest ;-) Oct 23 04:51:23 http://pastebin.ca/1639401 Oct 23 04:51:39 Ari_: it should be installed correctly now - please check the launcher Oct 23 04:52:24 hmm i wold love to tell that it is, but i dont see it.... Oct 23 04:54:00 Do I need to remove all my tweaks and patches before upgrading to 2.82? Oct 23 04:54:13 2.82? Oct 23 04:54:38 That was for someone else db Oct 23 04:54:48 rwhitby - any idea ? Oct 23 04:54:51 Prepopsci: no Oct 23 04:55:26 Anyone got the luna-send for rescan handy? Oct 23 04:55:30 rwhitby: when do I get my @webos-internals.org email? ;) Oct 23 04:55:43 dBsooner: no-one has such an address. Oct 23 04:55:53 blah, we need them. hehe Oct 23 04:56:30 rwhitby: i usually search the wiki for it whenever i need it Oct 23 04:56:33 btw: una-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Oct 23 04:56:36 Ari_: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Oct 23 04:56:45 s/una-send/luna-send/ Oct 23 04:56:45 dBsooner meant: btw: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Oct 23 04:56:49 Ari_: type that and the icon should appear Oct 23 04:57:15 oil: google knows "luna-send rescan" :-) Oct 23 04:57:22 hey NOW I GOT IT!!!!!!!! Oct 23 04:57:46 thanks !!!!!!!!!!! Now what was the problem? did i do anything wrong at install or? Oct 23 04:57:53 Ari_: don't go away yet Oct 23 04:58:00 im here Oct 23 04:58:05 Ari_: we need to reproduce the original problem now Oct 23 04:58:24 Ari_: Please use the device management page in WebOS Quick Install to remove just Preware. Oct 23 04:58:48 (don't worry, we'll get it back) Oct 23 04:58:55 why do we have to do this, if its there? Oct 23 04:59:09 Ari_: to further development Oct 23 04:59:11 Ari_: cause we need to solve the problem of why WebOS Quick Install is not installing it Oct 23 04:59:17 rod, by time I joined, the first linux command you asked Ari to do was Oct 23 04:59:18 Ari_: preventing it from happening in the future Oct 23 04:59:35 i got u - ok its removed - whats next? Oct 23 04:59:35 cat /var/etc/ipkg/webos-internals.conf Oct 23 04:59:41 Prepopsci: ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep webosinternals Oct 23 04:59:45 so u guys dont have to sit with someone else here...? Oct 23 04:59:50 Ari_: exactly Oct 23 05:00:06 Ari_: ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep webosinternals Oct 23 05:00:08 glad to do to this much in return of u helping me out ;-) lol Oct 23 05:00:37 http://pastebin.ca/1639412 Oct 23 05:01:02 rwhitby would just hunt you down at your place of residence and beat you with a stick if you would have left and not returned the favor. ;) Oct 23 05:01:03 Ari_: cat /var/usr/lib/ipkg/status Oct 23 05:01:24 lol - he would be right for that Oct 23 05:01:30 Would having somebody with Preware working correctly run any of these for camparison be helpful? Oct 23 05:01:39 Ok, ran it. How do I display the results in that pastebin and not kill this screen with a simple copy/paste? Oct 23 05:01:46 VeeDubb65-Steve: thanks, but no. Oct 23 05:01:50 http://pastebin.ca/1639414 Oct 23 05:01:59 rwhitby: I didn't think so, but figured I'd offer. Oct 23 05:02:12 Prepopsci: that's it? only one package entry? Oct 23 05:02:32 s/Prepopsci/Ari_/ Oct 23 05:02:33 rwhitby meant: Ari_: that's it? only one package entry? Oct 23 05:03:18 Prepopsci: paste it into http://pastebin.ca/ and tell us the URL it gives you back in return Oct 23 05:03:22 didnt get ur question Oct 23 05:03:37 Ari_: grep webosinternals /var/usr/lib/ipkg/status Oct 23 05:03:55 http://pastebin.ca/1639417 Oct 23 05:04:09 http://pastebin.ca/1639418 Oct 23 05:04:52 Ari_: grep preware /var/usr/lib/ipkg/status Oct 23 05:05:28 Prepopsci: that looks fine Oct 23 05:05:29 nothing came up Oct 23 05:05:49 Ari_: ok, now try and install Preware from the repository using WebOS Quick Install Oct 23 05:06:23 oil: any idea how we can trace what commands WOSQI is sending over novacomd ? Oct 23 05:06:23 just the Preware or also the manager pack.? Oct 23 05:06:26 except for the whole preware not showing up, it is... :-) Oct 23 05:06:28 Ari_: just Preware Oct 23 05:06:40 Prepopsci: how much time do you have available? Oct 23 05:07:07 I have to go to work in 7 hours. Short of that, I'm good. :-) Oct 23 05:07:10 i got it! Oct 23 05:07:17 so is this good now? Oct 23 05:08:19 am i good to go, u need still anything from me? Oct 23 05:09:05 Ari_: so WebOS Quick Install installed it fine? Oct 23 05:09:20 yep - its running perfect Oct 23 05:09:32 hmm - so the problem is transient Oct 23 05:09:39 great!!!!!!!!! Oct 23 05:09:46 can i make 2 suggestions? Oct 23 05:09:51 Ari_: yep Oct 23 05:10:33 everyday new apps are coming out - we got 15 apps to figure out the weather.... and 5 timers etc Oct 23 05:10:42 yep Oct 23 05:10:58 can i ask for 2 simple apps - a BASIC VOICE RECORDER Oct 23 05:11:10 every stupid phone out there has it Oct 23 05:11:26 i cant get it why no one is making it for the MIGHTY PRE Oct 23 05:11:33 mojo doesn't have microphone support Oct 23 05:11:46 a service or plugin or something like that would need to do it Oct 23 05:11:48 Yeah Ari: no Mic API access in the SDK yet Oct 23 05:11:56 Big shame Oct 23 05:12:09 so NO app can help for this? Oct 23 05:12:14 not right now Oct 23 05:12:16 nope Oct 23 05:12:21 will i need to wait for the next palm...? Oct 23 05:12:30 There's not an app for that. Oct 23 05:12:36 no Oct 23 05:12:38 No, just for Palm to release a proper SDK ;) Oct 23 05:12:49 or some hacker to make a service Oct 23 05:12:51 with full access to all API's Oct 23 05:12:56 this isnt something u guys can tweak? Oct 23 05:13:01 LOL Oct 23 05:13:05 its not something a patch can handle Oct 23 05:13:23 i wonder if there are any german sites similar to precentral ;o Oct 23 05:13:25 Prepopsci: can you humour me and test if QI can install Preware now? Oct 23 05:13:29 i wonder what they're up too ;o Oct 23 05:13:36 up to* Oct 23 05:13:36 even Oct 23 05:13:37 Sure. Oct 23 05:13:57 another idea - we also need a decent video player to play more file formats, like basic wmv. etc Oct 23 05:14:08 is that also something that cant be done? Oct 23 05:14:20 someone was playing with that Oct 23 05:14:21 Ari_: coreplayer are experiementing with the Pre. And there are folks here working on extra codecs, but Palm haven't made it easy Oct 23 05:14:23 idk if anything ever came of it Oct 23 05:14:36 Ari_: It's coming. but it could be a coupla months Oct 23 05:14:40 Ok, I ran the install. Do you want me to run a command? Oct 23 05:14:46 Ari_: in the meantime.... install classic and TCPMP :p Oct 23 05:15:16 freakout-work Oct 23 05:15:20 can classic handle more format types? Oct 23 05:15:30 Ari_: TCPMP plays *everything* Oct 23 05:15:37 Ari_: and it's free Oct 23 05:15:45 but classic is kind of... Oct 23 05:15:46 eww? Oct 23 05:15:53 where do i find that from within preware? Oct 23 05:15:58 ripoff oil? Oct 23 05:15:59 yay, video with the virtual buttons, etc below it Oct 23 05:16:07 Ari_: its in palms catalog Oct 23 05:16:13 it costs $30 for the full version Oct 23 05:16:22 and however much that palmos app costs Oct 23 05:16:23 idk Oct 23 05:16:49 $30 for a palm emulator...hmmm Oct 23 05:16:53 rwhitby: it doesn't show in the device manager. Oct 23 05:17:21 oil: TCPMP is free. Oct 23 05:17:30 Eguy, oil: $30 is nothing, you cheap whores Oct 23 05:17:34 * oil knows nothing of palmos apps Oct 23 05:17:34 again in the normal app catalog i searched for "TCPMP" nothing came up Oct 23 05:17:43 Ari_ Oct 23 05:17:45 classic is in the catalog Oct 23 05:17:48 Ari_: It's a PalmOS app. you'll need the Classic emulator to run it Oct 23 05:17:49 then when you have classic Oct 23 05:17:59 google for tcpmp Oct 23 05:18:03 and install the piff to classic Oct 23 05:18:04 freakout-away: you call us whores? ....posting obscene pictures of yourself in public chat rooms... Oct 23 05:18:08 Prepopsci: so QI said it installed it fine, but then it doesn't appear in the device manager screen of QI ? Oct 23 05:18:08 Ari: and it won't be full-screen Oct 23 05:18:11 pfft Oct 23 05:18:37 when freakout gets his pre, he BETTER buy that english-french medical dictionary Oct 23 05:18:37 Correct. It showed the icon connecting and installing, but then nothing shows in DM Oct 23 05:18:43 oil: lmao Oct 23 05:18:45 if he doesn't, im calling him a cheap whore Oct 23 05:18:50 me too Oct 23 05:18:56 i got confused here - lets start over where can i find the TCPMP Oct 23 05:19:20 Ari_: http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia-Graphics/Video-Players/TCPMP-Palm-OS-7895.shtml Oct 23 05:19:23 on the internets Oct 23 05:19:53 but before you can get that Oct 23 05:19:57 freakout-work better buy a GSM pixi as well otherwise I am going to call him a cheap whore Oct 23 05:19:58 you need to buy classic from the catalog Oct 23 05:20:03 buy? Oct 23 05:20:08 its $30 Oct 23 05:20:08 Prepopsci: can you open a cmd.exe window on the PC, and type: "telnet localhost 6970" ? Oct 23 05:20:14 Ari_: I would recommend downloading the trial first ;) Oct 23 05:20:51 * oil waits for freakouts review of his new $50 app Oct 23 05:20:52 this wont work if i dont buy classic? Oct 23 05:21:11 Ari_: no. Oct 23 05:21:25 well it will for 7 days won't it? Oct 23 05:21:26 Ari_: But Classic comes with a free trial. You can see if it's to your tastes or not Oct 23 05:21:45 Prepopsci: any luck with the telnet command? Oct 23 05:21:58 Eguy, oil: you little whiners. $30 for access to pretty much the entire catalog of PalmOS software, of which there is ass-loads of awesome Oct 23 05:22:05 oil: any idea how we can trace the commands that WOSQI is sending to the Pre? Oct 23 05:22:13 freakout-away: LAGGGGG Oct 23 05:22:13 It said "Telnet is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. Oct 23 05:22:18 Eguy, oil: yes it shoulda been built-in, but bitching ain't gonna make it free Oct 23 05:22:26 rwhitby: no clue Oct 23 05:22:29 Anyone know how to run telnet on Vista? Oct 23 05:22:31 no - not gona go that route - who made "Top Stocks"? Oct 23 05:22:38 im not bitching Oct 23 05:22:42 i really don't want it Oct 23 05:22:51 it could be a hundred million billion dollars for as much as i care about it Oct 23 05:23:10 anyone in here made the Top stocks? Oct 23 05:23:16 rwhitby-you may have to enable it in control panel Oct 23 05:23:17 ;o Oct 23 05:23:18 * oil brb Oct 23 05:23:47 rwhitby, are you experiencing the telnet was not installed by efault issue, or something else? Oct 23 05:24:02 default* Oct 23 05:24:07 psykoz: I suspect so, I know nothing about Vista Oct 23 05:24:20 check in control panel under add or remove windows features Oct 23 05:24:33 aye, Vista doesn't have telnet installed by default, control panel -> programs and features -> turn features on -> enable telnet client Oct 23 05:24:40 Prepopsci: you don't happen to have ssh running on the Pre, or be able to get a command line using novaterm do you? Oct 23 05:24:41 er "turn windows features on or off"* Oct 23 05:24:42 ya Oct 23 05:25:06 Yes, need to install telnet in Vista Oct 23 05:25:06 Prepopsci: see what psykoz said above Oct 23 05:25:12 I'm working on that. Oct 23 05:25:43 good night all! tnx again!!! Guys u can do anything if u want... get out a video player and a voice recoder is pos. Oct 23 05:26:32 And a fingerprint scanner, and voice dial. But we aren't asking for much. Oct 23 05:26:40 * Eguy quietly says the OS is a POS at the moment and then retreats to his nuclear bunker... Oct 23 05:26:47 Ari_: can you post your experience on the thread please? Oct 23 05:27:01 sure Oct 23 05:27:05 face recognition via camera would be nice ;o Oct 23 05:27:06 Ari_: the two ipkg commands (update then install) are all that people need to do so solve the problem you had Oct 23 05:27:38 im losing u Oct 23 05:27:41 Solar powered would be nicer still Oct 23 05:27:47 psykoz, do I just check the "telnet client" check box, or both that and "telnet server" Oct 23 05:27:53 or nokia's thing Oct 23 05:27:54 telnet client Oct 23 05:27:58 Thanks. Oct 23 05:28:02 where it absorbs power from random radio signals Oct 23 05:28:04 repost me the 2 commands Oct 23 05:28:05 floating in the air Oct 23 05:28:06 :D Oct 23 05:28:08 btw, someone should document this for both windows vista and 7, since it's the same behavior Oct 23 05:28:10 + kinetic Oct 23 05:28:14 Ari: rwhitby is talking about "ipkg -o /var update Oct 23 05:28:21 " Oct 23 05:28:40 and ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.preware Oct 23 05:28:48 yes Oct 23 05:29:00 Eguy, I'd also like for the Pre to make me a sandwhich after sex. Do you think you guys could make a tweak for that? Oct 23 05:29:00 im such anovice with these stuff... i followed him blindly... Oct 23 05:29:24 preferably not me since I am drunk right now ;> Oct 23 05:29:30 Prepopsci: I would first like the Pre to be nuclear powered so it did not have to be charged for 25 years Oct 23 05:29:33 Well, there are a lot of people that would be worse to follow blindly. Just be careful if he offers you koolaide Oct 23 05:29:44 rwhitby, it is telling me it will it will take a few minutes to enable. I'll let you know when it's done. Oct 23 05:29:45 ^ nice Oct 23 05:29:50 i think rather u post in in there, im afraid ill mess up the post, Oct 23 05:30:15 * Eguy thinks we all drank Palm's koolaide Oct 23 05:31:02 purple and red are the best koolaide flavors Oct 23 05:31:15 nah blue man :/ Oct 23 05:31:48 How do you guys get my name to show up when you type to me? Oct 23 05:31:56 tab Oct 23 05:32:12 I go "Pre" Oct 23 05:32:21 on my IRC client, it works best if I only type part of the name before hitting tab Oct 23 05:32:40 rwhitby: sweet. Ok, I ran that command on cmd.exe Oct 23 05:33:11 Prepopsci: ok, now try and install via WebOS Quick Install while watching what happens in that telnet window Oct 23 05:33:55 rwhitby: what am I looking for? Oct 23 05:34:06 any output at all. Oct 23 05:34:17 Prepopsci: oh, you're on windows, right? Oct 23 05:34:27 yes Oct 23 05:34:31 Can you try running the exe from http://get.preware.org/ instead? Oct 23 05:34:44 That telnet window is flying every time I click on something. Oct 23 05:35:49 Do I just click the exe, or do I save it and add it via QI? Oct 23 05:36:09 just run it Oct 23 05:36:18 No need for QI Oct 23 05:39:12 Well, you are a freaking genius. I don't care if you come from the land under... :-) Oct 23 05:39:41 It appears on my pre now. Oct 23 05:39:56 hm Oct 23 05:41:09 Well, so it is on my pre, but when I open it, it just gives me the busy icon and says "Updating" Oct 23 05:41:24 so its updating Oct 23 05:41:40 For 3 minutes? Oct 23 05:42:20 no, thats too long Oct 23 05:42:37 I can minimize the card. Should I close it? Oct 23 05:42:54 Prepopsci: close and restart Preware Oct 23 05:44:18 Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oye, Oye, Oye. We are good to go. Oct 23 05:45:25 Those are all my australian refernces I have. well, unless you count Ace Venture, and put another shrimp on the barbie. Oct 23 05:45:27 So we still don't know why QI is not installing it. Oct 23 05:46:21 Thanks for your help rod. Do you have any apps in the app store? I want to buy one and get you compensated for the amount of free time you spent with me and Ari. Oct 23 05:46:39 Prepopsci: my signature on PreCentral has a donate button ;-) Oct 23 05:47:06 You got it. Oct 23 05:47:13 it will feel weird next time i submit code to the repo Oct 23 05:47:22 knowing dude will just download it and stick it in his installer Oct 23 05:47:30 Thanks again. I'll also post on the thread. Oct 23 05:48:33 so, who wants to test Preware 0.9.5 ? Oct 23 05:50:13 I'd be happy to if it can be done without physically connecting my Pre to a desktop. I'm at work so I'm limited to SSH and sftp over EVDO Oct 23 05:51:00 VeeDubb65-Steve: ipkg -o /var install http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.5_all.ipk Oct 23 05:51:33 working on it Oct 23 05:52:30 that was quicker than expected. let me see if it's working Oct 23 05:52:53 downloading feed information Oct 23 05:53:21 load time seems roughly the same, but I like the slightly expanded feedback Oct 23 05:54:25 VeeDubb65-Steve: can you try an install of an app which has a dependency? e.g. Terminal ? Oct 23 05:54:37 I treid to install the limited emergency dial patch, got the usual warning about running a script, it woked for a few, and then preware just closed itself. Oct 23 05:54:54 Let me try internalz. I've already got the terminal app Oct 23 05:55:22 VeeDubb65-Steve: I don't think Internalz sets the dependency information Oct 23 05:55:34 k, then I'll remove the terminal and reinstall it. Oct 23 05:57:00 just removed the service. luna is restarting and I'll reinstall when it come back. I assume you want me to try to install the terminal without installing the service first, correct? Oct 23 05:58:04 correct Oct 23 05:58:52 Application. Oct 23 05:58:53 This package depends on 1 other package...... Oct 23 05:58:56 Did you get it Rod? Oct 23 05:59:19 Prepopsci: yep, thanks. Oct 23 05:59:26 NP, thank you. Oct 23 05:59:28 dependencies appear to be working great. Be advized the description for the terminal package just say "Description for Terminal" Oct 23 05:59:52 Anyway have the Pre pouch they aren't using? I love mine, but lost it. Oct 23 06:00:00 Anyone, not anyway Oct 23 06:00:20 The little black and orange pouch? Oct 23 06:00:26 that's the one. Oct 23 06:01:03 sure. My email address is mail@stevecoonsphoto.com Send me your mailing addres and $2 paypal for cover postage and a trip to the post office. Oct 23 06:01:36 Are you in the US? Oct 23 06:01:47 rwhitby: I tested the newly installed terminal. Other than the description being mostly missing in Preware, the dependencies went perfectly and it's working great Oct 23 06:01:53 Prepopsci: yes I am. Oct 23 06:02:12 rwhitby: mind if i tweak your information changes? Oct 23 06:02:24 oil: not at all Oct 23 06:02:28 like bolding the status, and not centering the message below it Oct 23 06:02:35 oil: I would love it. Oct 23 06:02:47 rwhitby-how hard would it be to add a space as first line, since gets cut off by rounded edging Oct 23 06:02:48 ;o Oct 23 06:02:51 adding a space between the / thing Oct 23 06:03:09 oil: anything you think looks better, I'm on board. Oct 23 06:03:12 Prepopsci: if you're not in the US, $2 won't cover shipping. If you are in the US, you're perfectly welcome to mine. I think my Pre has spent a total of 5 minutes in that case the whole time I've had it. Oct 23 06:04:25 I'm in Dallas Georgia. We are all married to our cousins, so we are backworld, but it is still considered the US. Oct 23 06:04:34 LOL. Nice. Oct 23 06:04:49 Well, there you go. Nearly free case for you. Oct 23 06:05:22 That works. Is you paypal account the same email address? Oct 23 06:05:32 yup Oct 23 06:05:37 and I already got your first email. Oct 23 06:05:43 so I know you've got the address right. Oct 23 06:06:26 Oh, and as far as the guy in Texas getting your mail, I feel for you. Until 8 months ago, I was living in Dallas, Oregon. Oct 23 06:07:11 Maybe you are the bastard with my sports illustrated swimsuit issue from 2008.... :-) Oct 23 06:07:19 lol. Afraid not. Oct 23 06:07:40 dang. you really did send that out fast. Oct 23 06:07:47 I'll put it in the mail before work tomorrow. Oct 23 06:08:02 I was already in paypal from donating to Rwhitby Oct 23 06:08:23 VeeDubb65-Steve: your nick is too long :P Oct 23 06:08:24 I'm on a damn shopping spree at 2:00 am. Who else has something to sell. Oct 23 06:08:43 Prepopsci: I will take some free paypal money :D Oct 23 06:09:19 Get that sandwhich after sex app out and you can have it... :-) Oct 23 06:09:48 rwhitby: The problem with the patch I installed must have been a fluke. I just tried a couple others, and removed a couple of patches. No issues Oct 23 06:12:01 afk for a bit. Oct 23 06:12:08 Prepopsci: I'll send a maid :P Oct 23 06:13:32 lol. I just might take you up on that. The one asleep next to me right now is falling down on the job... :-) Oct 23 06:15:13 oil: I'll wait for your signal to release. Oct 23 06:15:30 Thanks to all for the help tonight. I'm out. Oct 23 06:15:40 Prepopsci: have a good one Oct 23 06:15:49 Wake her up! Oct 23 06:16:04 it also seems bottom-heavy with all that text Oct 23 06:16:06 Or him depending on preference Oct 23 06:16:13 i think we need some sort of graphic up top Oct 23 06:17:33 oil: "WebOS Internals presents ..." ... Oct 23 06:18:11 splash screen? Oct 23 06:18:26 oil: or maybe the webos-internals / preware avatar icon ? Oct 23 06:18:32 idk Oct 23 06:18:35 its not needed now Oct 23 06:18:39 i just think something should go up there Oct 23 06:18:58 "Preware is developed by WebOS Internals" Oct 23 06:19:37 Be careful Rod, oil might but an oil watermark all over this thing Oct 23 06:19:39 im thinking about adding "We Did It First." as a subtitle with a very low weight Oct 23 06:19:49 oil: do it :-) Oct 23 06:20:08 Maybe "The Original" Oct 23 06:20:13 lol Oct 23 06:22:05 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/194305-homebrew-app-store-devlepment.html#post1771399 Oct 23 06:22:15 yeah Oct 23 06:22:23 It took Opal Coba from 24th July to today to make those changes to Preware ;-) Oct 23 06:25:31 wasn't preware completely written within that time frame? Oct 23 06:25:51 i dont remember when i started on it Oct 23 06:26:31 What is the point of that Oct 23 06:26:56 the point of what? Oct 23 06:27:04 homebrew catalog Oct 23 06:27:09 Pre does the same thing? Oct 23 06:27:13 Preware Oct 23 06:27:18 I especially like http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/194305-homebrew-app-store-devlepment-2.html#post1780619 Oct 23 06:27:29 Eguy: check the date on the post Oct 23 06:27:45 I know, I remember Oct 23 06:28:00 someone should post Oct 23 06:28:14 "so, your team of good dev members was the preware devs?" Oct 23 06:28:55 rwhitby: just for you I will try a patch with the new package manager service Oct 23 06:29:08 Eguy: how will I ever repay you? Oct 23 06:29:37 Funny Oct 23 06:30:37 rwhitby: just a few little tweaks http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=commitdiff;h=83fc5eb08b1781a17b7573e589afd8c94dbfaf0b Oct 23 06:30:41 rwhitby: out of curiosity, what functionality would preware need, that it doesn't already have, for you to consider it 1.0? This one has descriptions, screenshots, support for prerem and postinst, and now dependency handling. What's left? Oct 23 06:30:46 id say its probably ok Oct 23 06:31:22 Ok, I got the postinst warning, hit ok, just stuck at installing with the spinning circle Oct 23 06:31:32 I will update if anything changes Oct 23 06:32:02 i may even change it later to throw a little timer in there Oct 23 06:32:13 so the "help" message appears after it should have hopefully finished Oct 23 06:32:27 so its still clean Oct 23 06:32:30 unless there seems to be a problem Oct 23 06:32:33 oil: ok, but I'll push 0.9.5 as it is? Oct 23 06:32:42 or wait? Oct 23 06:32:46 naw, its ok Oct 23 06:32:48 Now with more cowbell XD Oct 23 06:32:50 this might help a few people Oct 23 06:32:55 Eguy that one has been in there Oct 23 06:32:58 just very low weight Oct 23 06:33:05 oil: did you re-tag 0.9.5 ? Oct 23 06:33:06 so you would have to restart preware a bunch to see it Oct 23 06:33:09 i havent Oct 23 06:33:17 i can Oct 23 06:33:26 weight: 98 Oct 23 06:33:32 lol Oct 23 06:33:39 oil: please do, thanks. Oct 23 06:33:46 i didn't even look Oct 23 06:33:53 does he still have the weighting with just one message? Oct 23 06:34:26 oil: weight 30 Oct 23 06:34:33 lol Oct 23 06:34:37 {weight: 30, text: 'We did it again.'} Oct 23 06:34:41 You only weigh 30lbs? Oct 23 06:34:47 i love how its "we" Oct 23 06:34:51 i wonder who else is there Oct 23 06:35:29 patch failed rwhitby stuck at installing Oct 23 06:35:41 re-tagged Oct 23 06:37:10 doh! Oct 23 06:37:12 http://i35.tinypic.com/24pvuh4.jpg Oct 23 06:37:21 * freakout has good news Oct 23 06:37:26 * freakout has baaaad news Oct 23 06:37:31 What do you want first? Oct 23 06:37:35 Talk to me Goose Oct 23 06:38:05 You have to pick one. rwhitby, this will interest you as well Oct 23 06:38:16 both at the same time Oct 23 06:38:20 lol Oct 23 06:38:24 in 3 words Oct 23 06:38:31 lol Oct 23 06:38:39 Fine, good news first Oct 23 06:38:43 freakout: which news involves short shorts? Oct 23 06:38:44 I can't tell you the good news. Oct 23 06:38:56 Read PIC tomorrow. PreCentral can eat a dick Oct 23 06:38:59 you sir, are useless Oct 23 06:39:04 lol Oct 23 06:39:13 * oil tells precentral to check out pic tomorrow Oct 23 06:39:17 lol Oct 23 06:39:34 that's fine. I have super-secret information from the top! Oct 23 06:39:52 freakout: Jon returned your call? Oct 23 06:40:03 rwhitby: not that high up ;) Oct 23 06:40:05 lol Oct 23 06:40:06 anyhoo. Oct 23 06:40:09 you get his email address? Oct 23 06:40:14 really bad, irritating news Oct 23 06:40:28 no pre in au? Oct 23 06:40:29 Spoke with Australia post. There are two kinds of German air mail Oct 23 06:40:34 one is express Oct 23 06:40:41 one is "delayed" by 4 - 6 weeks Oct 23 06:40:42 one is by camel? Oct 23 06:40:47 LOL Oct 23 06:40:48 guess which one my Pre was sent by? Oct 23 06:40:51 ouch Oct 23 06:40:53 camelspeed Oct 23 06:41:15 lol Oct 23 06:41:26 * oil would sue Oct 23 06:41:30 lol Oct 23 06:41:39 * freakout has sent strongly-worded email to Deutsche Post Oct 23 06:41:39 suicide time Oct 23 06:41:47 im tellin ya Oct 23 06:41:52 and by "strongly-worded" i mean "full of pathetic begging" Oct 23 06:41:53 put the touchstone at the bottom of your monitor Oct 23 06:41:59 and drag the emulator right above it Oct 23 06:42:00 And i'm about to phone 'em... Oct 23 06:42:09 freakout: here's something that will cheer you up - have you been following the opal coba saga? Oct 23 06:42:26 i bet nobody there speaks english Oct 23 06:42:31 rwhitby: the Installer thing? Oct 23 06:42:35 freakout: yep Oct 23 06:42:53 * freakout is all ears Oct 23 06:42:58 JA ve lost your package ja Oct 23 06:43:01 well, eyes, since this is IRC. Oct 23 06:43:24 freakout: opal coba is either a hot babe, or a teenage guy: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dugleycom/96168158084?v=wall Oct 23 06:43:50 wow, that's a really bad plan. I hadn't read that thread. Why would he want to fok preware? Oct 23 06:43:52 lmao Oct 23 06:43:53 ^ did he really just say that? Oct 23 06:44:00 want to? Oct 23 06:44:02 he already did Oct 23 06:44:06 freakout: my guess is the latter Oct 23 06:44:21 LOL Oct 23 06:44:21 I agree Oct 23 06:44:22 typo Oct 23 06:44:24 fork Oct 23 06:44:36 Everyone wants to fok preware Oct 23 06:44:44 It's sexy Oct 23 06:44:47 * VeeDubb65-Steve fails Oct 23 06:44:49 especially in Luna Dark Oct 23 06:44:59 you mean "installer-default"? Oct 23 06:45:11 rwhitby: I would not bet against you Oct 23 06:45:34 rwhitby: any idea about me problem Oct 23 06:45:42 which one? Oct 23 06:45:55 there are so many... Oct 23 06:46:08 funny Oct 23 06:46:12 i know Oct 23 06:46:15 ill behere all night Oct 23 06:46:17 http://i35.tinypic.com/24pvuh4.jpg Oct 23 06:46:34 its like it never confirms Oct 23 06:46:48 Just stays there Oct 23 06:46:58 you click ok and what happens? Oct 23 06:47:03 does the confirmation go away? Oct 23 06:47:08 "installing" Oct 23 06:47:10 nothing else Oct 23 06:47:14 it does go away Oct 23 06:47:15 have you tried viewing it, then selecting ok Oct 23 06:47:20 yes Oct 23 06:47:31 almost seems like the service is still waiting for the confirmation Oct 23 06:47:38 Indeed Oct 23 06:47:40 like the hash is wrong or something Oct 23 06:47:48 specific package? Oct 23 06:47:50 or all of them? Oct 23 06:48:07 all packages with a postinst Oct 23 06:48:10 rwhitby, Facebook says: "If you know Opal, add HER as a friend on Facebook." Oct 23 06:48:11 or prerm Oct 23 06:48:13 hm Oct 23 06:48:25 Homebrew install fine Oct 23 06:48:37 oil: http://tinypic.com/r/2r70dg8/4 or http://tinypic.com/r/2w2k1nk/4, based on http://tinypic.com/r/zxyt4/4 Oct 23 06:49:03 where is the best place i can go to learn how to make an ipk for a patch? Oct 23 06:49:16 im really guessing the dude Oct 23 06:49:32 what does it matter? Oct 23 06:49:39 he/she failed Oct 23 06:50:52 2,537 downloads of Installer, rated 3 starts. http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/installer Oct 23 06:51:17 * freakout just rang a coffee shop Oct 23 06:51:27 The proprietor was most amused. Oct 23 06:51:32 * freakout forgot a '1' Oct 23 06:51:35 2537? Oct 23 06:51:45 * oil sees 911 Oct 23 06:51:46 oil: so http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps?order=created&sort=desc says Oct 23 06:51:46 The interface looks familiar Oct 23 06:51:51 ah Oct 23 06:51:52 yeah Oct 23 06:52:00 I see 911 Oct 23 06:52:02 its all the filecoasters Oct 23 06:52:28 rwhitby: might i suggest the addition of "icon": "icon.png", to ipkgservice's appinfo? Oct 23 06:52:38 I think rwhitby doesn't want to help me unless I contribute to webos-internals... Oct 23 06:52:41 then the confirmation app will use the packagemanager icon instead of the no-icon half-moon Oct 23 06:52:50 when people see it before they restart Oct 23 06:53:06 oil: ok Oct 23 06:53:08 for whenever the next release is put out Oct 23 06:53:34 what about a restart luna pop-up prompt after a patch install Oct 23 06:53:35 Eguy: I'm busy researching open source developers ;-) Oct 23 06:54:11 aka, he doesn't care Oct 23 06:54:12 xD Oct 23 06:54:17 yes Oct 23 06:54:26 to put it nicely ;) Oct 23 06:55:07 Eguy: I'm unable to reproduce your problem here - just installed a patch fine. Oct 23 06:55:29 I am puzzled by it Oct 23 06:55:31 oil: ok, I'm releasing. Oct 23 06:55:47 But don't mind since I can install through terminal or QI Oct 23 06:56:10 I do have "autopatch feed" installed Oct 23 06:56:23 Eguy: why? Oct 23 06:56:37 don't we need it Oct 23 06:56:48 oil: I'm adding "Do not be fooled by imitations." to the Preware description. Oct 23 06:57:00 s/fooled/misled/ Oct 23 06:57:00 rwhitby meant: oil: I'm adding "Do not be misled by imitations." to the Preware description. Oct 23 06:57:29 or maybe not Oct 23 06:57:30 the old url is not in my feeds pref pane though Oct 23 06:57:39 only the new one Oct 23 06:58:58 so Oct 23 06:59:03 is it really a "fork" Oct 23 06:59:07 if he didn't change anything Oct 23 06:59:13 beyond its branding Oct 23 06:59:27 just the title of the app Oct 23 06:59:29 rwhitby: I suggest "The original and the best." Oct 23 06:59:52 and "Freakout likes short shorts" Oct 23 06:59:56 lol Oct 23 06:59:59 i wonder if we'll see a new release of installer 0.0.2 tomorrow Oct 23 07:00:00 "likes"? Oct 23 07:00:03 * freakout loves Oct 23 07:00:10 with some helpful messages in the update assistant Oct 23 07:00:20 what kind of crappy name is installer Oct 23 07:00:22 An English-speaking agent will phone me back, apparently Oct 23 07:00:51 Dietrich can translate for you Oct 23 07:01:08 or you can use the english-german dictionary for webOS for $50 Oct 23 07:02:01 * oil seriously considers adding "freakout loves short shorts" as a random subtitle Oct 23 07:02:59 rwhiby removes it Oct 23 07:03:11 s/rwhiby/rwhitby/ Oct 23 07:03:11 Eguy meant: rwhitby removes it Oct 23 07:03:29 ~botsnack Oct 23 07:03:41 as long as the weight is really low it will rarely show up Oct 23 07:03:41 thanks, Eguy Oct 23 07:04:01 you have to be low weight to wear short shorts Oct 23 07:04:45 wow, I just finished reading the entire opal coba thread. I would love to start programming for the Pre, but I don't think I'd start there....... Oct 23 07:05:19 its probably just to show his friends Oct 23 07:05:22 "check out what i made!" Oct 23 07:05:30 oil: you're probably right. Oct 23 07:06:18 The only piece of software I've made was a patch to hide the music player app, and it was kind of a bummer. I couldn't show anybody. "Look, there's no music player app on my Pre!" kind of loses something... Oct 23 07:06:21 * samk1 wants to believe Opal is the hot chick Oct 23 07:06:39 If that is a hot chick you are going to jail buddy Oct 23 07:07:09 I hid the music player but by editing the json with terminal ;) Oct 23 07:07:27 eguy is ubernerd of the week Oct 23 07:07:41 lol Oct 23 07:08:09 Eguy: and all I did was entered 2 commands in the terminal before making the exact same edit you did, and then 2 commands after so it would make a .patch file I could share. Not much in terms of 'programming' Oct 23 07:08:56 VeeDubb65-Steve was ubernerd of last week Oct 23 07:09:08 lol. Oct 23 07:09:21 lol Oct 23 07:10:02 freakout is uberfabulous for his use of short shorts Oct 23 07:10:18 ^ read in Tim Gunn voice Oct 23 07:10:35 Nobody is fabulous for "HIS use of short shorts" Oct 23 07:10:48 VeeDubb65-Steve: clearly you haven't seen my pictures yet. :p Oct 23 07:10:54 oh god... Oct 23 07:10:55 Daisy Duke was fabulous for HER use of short shorts. Oct 23 07:11:10 not jessica simpson Oct 23 07:11:21 no, the original daisy duke. Oct 23 07:11:28 nod Oct 23 07:11:41 well, Jessica Simpson wasn't bad, but she had nothing on the original. Oct 23 07:11:49 and freakout is mad because his mankini is won't be there for a few more weeks cause of a shipping mixup Oct 23 07:11:52 She is dumb as a doorbell Oct 23 07:12:09 mankini? That like a bananas hammock? Oct 23 07:12:11 * Eguy thinks oil knows way too might of freakout's mankini Oct 23 07:12:22 might? Oct 23 07:12:26 s/might/much/ Oct 23 07:12:29 VeeDubb65-Steve: see borat Oct 23 07:12:30 * freakout thinks Eguy is jealous Oct 23 07:12:40 pfft Oct 23 07:13:20 I am watching an australian broadcast of the 2002 US Grand Prix...the commentators are getting the names wrong with their silly accent Oct 23 07:13:34 Eguy: no, you're hearing them right for the first time Oct 23 07:13:35 bbl Oct 23 07:13:52 oil: I tried to watch borat. I just couldn't sit through it. Oct 23 07:14:04 How? Oct 23 07:14:11 It is amazing Oct 23 07:14:27 anyways, he's got a mankini Oct 23 07:15:05 * rwhitby posts http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1993780 Oct 23 07:16:05 pwned Oct 23 07:16:37 wow. Oct 23 07:16:40 I love it. Oct 23 07:17:28 If he completes the code, he will have my respect. Oct 23 07:17:51 s/he/he or she/ Oct 23 07:17:51 rwhitby meant: If he or she completes the code, he will have my respect. Oct 23 07:17:53 you're pretty much setting him up to fail Oct 23 07:17:53 really Oct 23 07:18:18 pretty much? Oct 23 07:18:50 I call game over Oct 23 07:19:06 What is missing in the code? It seems functional to me. Oct 23 07:19:23 infobot, freakout in his short shorts? Oct 23 07:19:24 hmm... freakout in his short shorts is classified by Playgirl magazine as the "Hottest Shot On Earth, 2009". Oct 23 07:19:41 LOL Oct 23 07:19:44 freakout loves setting his own messages in infobot Oct 23 07:19:45 whore Oct 23 07:25:16 Hallo, Ich möchte fragen, ob Sie eine Lieferzeit für mein Paket haben? Oct 23 07:25:16 Die Sendung lautet: 214846475927 Oct 23 07:25:16 Der UPU ist: CL656853672DE Oct 23 07:25:16 Thanks very much, Oct 23 07:25:16 Tim Carroll Oct 23 07:25:16 P.S. Dies wurde mir von einem Online-Übersetzer übersetzt. Bitte entschuldigen Sie die schlechte Grammatik. Oct 23 07:26:57 lmao Oct 23 07:27:01 I like the PS Oct 23 07:27:17 Lots of errors Oct 23 07:27:19 infobot, freakout in his short shorts? Oct 23 07:27:21 freakout in his short shorts is, like, really gay Oct 23 07:27:30 LOL Oct 23 07:30:54 infobot, oil's crush on freakout? Oct 23 07:30:55 i heard oil's crush on freakout is actually pretty transparent. Oct 23 07:32:33 eh? Oct 23 07:33:00 VeeDubb65-Steve: it doesn't work for patches that depend on other patches, but we don't have any of those yet. Oct 23 07:33:48 oil: so Preware is back to no known limitations and no known bugs? Oct 23 07:33:59 sure? Oct 23 07:41:05 man LunaSysMgr really does not like me. second time its crashed on me Oct 23 07:43:20 did palm change the app install directory from /usr/palm/applications to /var/usr/palm/applications for apps from the app catalog? Oct 23 07:43:39 seeing some strangeness from the crash messages from lunasysmgr Oct 23 07:44:20 nevermind. figured it out Oct 23 07:44:24 it was always /var Oct 23 07:45:15 i accidently deleted the pdf view application and then installed the landscape rotation patch for pdf view and it seems the app is back... did it download the dependencies? But from where I dont see PDF view on app catalog or homebrew list Oct 23 07:45:52 why did you install a patch after accidentially deleting it? Oct 23 07:46:06 in case anyone cares to see the crash output from trying to stop lunasysmgr, here is the pastebin Oct 23 07:46:07 http://webos.pastebin.com/m29384674 Oct 23 07:47:12 Preware 0.9.5 released: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1993793 Oct 23 07:47:31 deleted PDF view app, then installed the patch for PDF view.. too see if it would throw an error with the path of PDF view Oct 23 07:47:50 so it wasn't an accidential deletion Oct 23 07:48:04 hmm. the pre does not have /etc/sysctl.conf Oct 23 07:48:16 no deleting it was an accident, but I didn't know how to restore it Oct 23 07:48:30 how did you accidentially delete it? Oct 23 07:48:49 when I was trying to delete another application Oct 23 07:49:05 isn't the pdf app not in /var? Oct 23 07:49:13 isn't it on a read-only partition? Oct 23 07:49:51 no I deleted it straight from the Pre... non rooted not in developer mode Oct 23 07:50:04 yeah, i don't think you can delete it is what im saying Oct 23 07:50:14 not in those circumstances anyways Oct 23 07:50:30 maybe it just removed the icon from the launcher Oct 23 07:50:36 and after installing the patch to what wasn't really deleted Oct 23 07:50:37 oh maybe Oct 23 07:50:39 preware rescanned Oct 23 07:50:43 and it was re-added to the launcher Oct 23 07:53:34 ipg could easily have installed the dependency in the backgroun Oct 23 07:53:35 d Oct 23 07:53:40 s/ipg/ipkg/ Oct 23 07:54:00 since I believe the pdf patch depends on the pdf extract app Oct 23 07:54:29 what im saying is he never really deleted it Oct 23 07:54:39 since the pdf viewer is in /usr Oct 23 07:54:46 right? Oct 23 07:54:49 rwhitby: just got this msg Oct 23 07:54:51 root@castle:/var/home/root# sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst Oct 23 07:54:51 sh: /var/etc/ipkg/canuck-software.conf: unknown operand Oct 23 07:54:59 this is for 0.9.5 Oct 23 07:55:15 you mean 099 Oct 23 07:55:26 jauderho: thanks. Oct 23 07:55:40 jauderho: can you sh -x it and pastebin? Oct 23 07:56:02 sure. no issues running the postinst multiple times? Oct 23 07:56:28 phew! false alarm Oct 23 07:56:40 Pre will be here within 6-8 days from date of shipping, which was yesterday. Oct 23 07:56:42 shorts not stolen? Oct 23 07:56:47 mankini is actually on schedule Oct 23 07:56:51 jauderho: no issues Oct 23 07:56:52 lol Oct 23 07:57:10 just updated preware fine Oct 23 07:57:21 errors with patches still exist Oct 23 07:57:23 Eguy: they get stolen all the time. damn groupies Oct 23 07:57:40 rwhitby: here is the pastebin http://webos.pastebin.com/d1349422 Oct 23 07:59:43 jauderho: doh! forgot the backticks Oct 23 08:00:06 jauderho: did you have any feeds disabled? Oct 23 08:00:14 no Oct 23 08:00:23 dont even know how to =) Oct 23 08:00:27 I *think* it actually works when there are feeds disabled, and fails safely when there are not. Oct 23 08:00:46 so I'll just roll the fix into the next release. Oct 23 08:00:57 no worries Oct 23 08:01:29 i'm more curious why lunasysmgr explodes when I try to stop it. Oct 23 08:01:41 its a terrorist Oct 23 08:01:50 and resource whore Oct 23 08:02:09 is there anyway to restore the icon link on the launcher Oct 23 08:03:19 Hmm. to save me some googling, what's the command to uninstall the 1.1 emulator in Ubuntu? I haven't upgraded it to 1.2 yet Oct 23 08:04:30 oil: what did I need to add to appinfo.json for ipkgservice? Oct 23 08:08:16 wow Oct 23 08:08:25 that rollerball game really wants me to toss my pre across the room Oct 23 08:08:29 oh Oct 23 08:08:33 lo Oct 23 08:08:42 look in the appinfo for prewae Oct 23 08:08:44 yeah, that one can get frustrating Oct 23 08:08:50 is icon: icon.png i believe Oct 23 08:09:04 oil: got it Oct 23 08:09:13 ipkgservice 0.9.10 is in the testing feed Oct 23 08:09:20 lol Oct 23 08:09:25 it doesn't need its own release Oct 23 08:09:36 I fixed the other bug too Oct 23 08:09:41 oh Oct 23 08:09:45 anyways Oct 23 08:09:47 im goin to sleep Oct 23 08:09:48 later Oct 23 08:09:59 i look forward to many more lols in the installer thread tomorrow :) Oct 23 08:10:20 oil: looks like version comparison for 0.9.9 vs 0.9.10 doesn't work Oct 23 08:10:52 i didn't write that function xD Oct 23 08:10:53 I'll take a look at that tonight. we'll need to do a Preware release before ipkgservice Oct 23 08:11:07 ok Oct 23 08:11:07 later Oct 23 08:11:23 ok Oct 23 08:23:19 Another day, another tease. Oct 23 08:29:17 oil: false alarm - version check is fine Oct 23 09:32:01 Morning peoples Oct 23 09:33:59 Marajin: Don't be fooled by the long list of signed in users. I don't think anyone is actaully here but you and me, and I'm only checking in every once in a while. Oct 23 09:42:12 I'm here ;) Oct 23 09:42:44 says lingfish 10 minutes later. Oct 23 09:53:14 heh. Oct 23 10:19:29 and I Oct 23 10:22:32 I think I need another glass of wine though. Oct 23 10:32:21 me, another cup o joe Oct 23 10:33:03 wine is also good. ... but too early here 6:oo am Oct 23 10:40:39 rwhitby: Did you see that you got another resonse from opal? Oct 23 11:00:39 yep Oct 23 11:28:10 * freakout is on his third beer, lingfish Oct 23 11:28:41 * freakout should be hiking for the next two days, but passed for a big extended family get-together.... which was just cancelled. Sigh. Oct 23 11:38:42 * rwhitby btt Oct 23 11:38:50 bbt even Oct 23 11:53:32 heh Oct 23 11:53:46 dual plan cancellation Oct 23 12:12:21 morining Oct 23 13:43:41 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1994063&posted=1#post1994063 Oct 23 13:44:01 people are so stingy with email addy's Oct 23 14:10:47 since gmail addresses are free, what's the big deal. Oct 23 14:11:03 We made up game-support@vocshop.com just for this purpose for our javascript games Oct 23 14:15:45 egaudet: ping Oct 23 14:15:52 Rick_work: I know.. That's why I put that in my post. Oct 23 14:16:09 allo allo Oct 23 14:16:24 morning Marajin Oct 23 14:17:40 afternoon Rick_work Oct 23 14:34:27 how are things in Europe today? Here it is cold and wet. Oct 23 14:34:45 oddly enough it's warming up and broken cloud/sun Oct 23 14:35:35 egaudet_work: ping Oct 23 14:35:37 i didn't notice anything overnight from the folks working on the modem/ sim card internals. Oct 23 14:35:54 hi Oct 23 14:36:07 dBsooner-work syn-ack Oct 23 14:36:10 egaudet_work: did you get a response from gdial guy Oct 23 14:36:34 nope Oct 23 14:36:36 because I am being asked why that patch isn't available yet. I pushed the .patch to gitorious, but didn't push the Makefile. Oct 23 14:37:00 What do I need to ask him? Oct 23 14:37:17 i know what requirement he needs.. Oct 23 14:37:34 package id for dependent package if possible? Figure out what to do if catalog and homebrew package ids differ Oct 23 14:37:56 or should the "dependency" just be description info? Oct 23 14:38:15 com.palm.natebiz.gdial-pro Oct 23 14:38:37 is that for both the catalog and homebrew? Oct 23 14:38:39 if you don't have that package installed, the patch will break Oct 23 14:38:39 are they the same? Oct 23 14:38:42 doesn't the catalog one cost? Oct 23 14:38:43 they are the same Oct 23 14:39:00 com.palm.natebiz.gdial-pro is the homebrew Oct 23 14:39:05 if it's a dependency it will auto-install the one in the feed Oct 23 14:39:11 ipkg -o /var list | grep natebiz Oct 23 14:39:48 where do I add the depend? Oct 23 14:40:13 DEPENDS = in the Makefile Oct 23 14:40:28 so DEPENDS = com.palm.natebiz.gdial-pro Oct 23 14:40:48 I guess the catalog one is free too. Yea (make sure the catalog id is the same and that the patch works when catalog version is installed) Oct 23 14:41:18 ipkg list | grep natebiz Oct 23 14:41:19 ;) Oct 23 14:42:24 ipkg list shows the feed Oct 23 14:42:26 not the catalog Oct 23 14:42:44 or... Oct 23 14:42:45 oh Oct 23 14:42:49 i thgouth it showed Oct 23 14:44:19 i dunno what it shows but | grep nate gives nothing Oct 23 14:44:30 just shows palm apps Oct 23 14:44:33 pretty sure it doesn't list the catalog Oct 23 14:44:43 can you insatll the one from the app cat then? Oct 23 14:44:47 I don't have enough room Oct 23 14:45:26 you didn't update the browser patch Oct 23 14:45:33 no Oct 23 14:45:34 not yet Oct 23 14:46:05 just need to put it in gitorious and bump the version in autobuilder Oct 23 14:46:09 wtf!? where is my home computer? Oct 23 14:46:15 i know Oct 23 14:46:43 might be a lunch time thing as I can't ping my home ip right now Oct 23 14:46:44 grrrr Oct 23 14:47:14 does anyone know how to stop a command with the pre terminal from running (like ping and traceroute) Oct 23 14:47:29 ctrl+c Oct 23 14:48:42 ctrl = sym key Oct 23 14:48:46 sym+c Oct 23 14:48:56 terminal needs a keycommand help scene in the app menu Oct 23 14:48:56 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Oct 23 14:48:58 seriously Oct 23 14:49:04 yeah, badly Oct 23 14:49:09 because that is 99% of the questions Oct 23 14:49:13 it would take all of 3 minutes to whip up Oct 23 14:49:18 go for it Oct 23 14:49:18 ;) Oct 23 14:49:26 bah Oct 23 14:49:28 i gotta go to work Oct 23 14:50:24 I should get around to putting stuff like that on my pre Oct 23 14:51:07 i've got the key-command list copy/pasted into the note app Oct 23 15:10:00 mornin' ladies Oct 23 15:13:20 egaudet_work: http://www.dbtrunk.com/webospatchupload.php Oct 23 15:15:08 Woohoo! Sprint just started advertising "4G coming this fall" in the Philadelphia area (that's where I live) Oct 23 15:15:32 egaudet_work: Oct 23 15:15:58 I just thought of something huge.. help me remember it for later discussion with rwhitby. Oct 23 15:18:11 If the developer has access to change the title and other meta-data information on their submitted packages on precentral's patches gallery, how will that effect those applications that rely on the name field in the meta data? Example: Jason's QI checks the name field. If a dev changes that name for a submitted package, it would change the entire ipkg package name, therefor it wouldn't be "updated". It would show u Oct 23 15:18:11 wtf rtfm Oct 23 15:18:18 rwhitby .... ^^ Oct 23 15:18:19 rwhitby .... ^^ Oct 23 15:21:21 I think the TITLE/NAME should be a field the dev is NOT ALLOWED to change after approval. Oct 23 15:21:27 rwhitby .... ^^ Oct 23 15:22:10 nt4cats ha -- poor pitiful you. there's good things about living next to sprint's corporate headquarters.... :-) Oct 23 15:22:40 yeah and bad Oct 23 15:22:44 your in kansas Oct 23 15:22:47 nuff saids Oct 23 15:23:12 btw, good luck saturday Oct 23 15:30:58 rick: the real question is whether or not I can trick my employer into buying me a 4g device Oct 23 15:31:21 * nt4cats might actually do some work for a few days/weeks to try and make that happen Oct 23 15:31:22 thanks Oct 23 15:35:53 Well yea, package id can't change on an "update" Oct 23 15:36:15 dBsooner-work I assumed that was already being taken account for Oct 23 15:37:13 there's a patch I'd like to see, but rather than just posting a new thread asking for it, I would like to make a learning experience out of it. Where should i go to start? Oct 23 15:37:15 I know, I don't think that's been considered yet. Oct 23 15:38:03 on creation user uploads patch, specifies title and chooses category. Submission (or not?) should convert patch to category-title.patch. Once created, Title can't be updated Oct 23 15:39:05 I still say we should have required a support email Oct 23 15:39:52 I think a support email should be required. How else to hold them accountable Oct 23 15:40:07 and I think that a confirmation reply FROM that support email should be required to prove it exists. Oct 23 15:40:37 rick_home, currently only their precentral username I guess. Oct 23 15:42:25 How did abyssul get "Patcher Meister" as his title on Precentral? Oct 23 15:43:27 http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium#5395358413061926434 Oct 23 15:43:28 and egaudet_work: i assisted your point in the thread. Oct 23 15:44:03 good I always need a translator :P Oct 23 15:45:06 you forget key details a lot Oct 23 15:45:06 ;) Oct 23 15:45:26 key details are obvious afterthoughts to me frequently Oct 23 15:52:27 Rick_work, regarding quick launch expansion to grid on home page (mentioned in #webos), what have you found regarding that? Oct 23 16:23:38 egaudet its doable. I forget the details. It was acouple of months ago I looked at it. Oct 23 16:25:46 hmm ya know the pre's backspeaker is surprisingly good Oct 23 16:50:49 so it's mytether that has been causing the multi 1.2.1 updates Oct 23 16:52:47 ok quick question: when manually working with the filesystem and you make the filesystem writable with "rooffs_open -w" how do you return it to it's origional state? reboot? Oct 23 16:53:53 mount -o ro,remount / Oct 23 16:54:11 sp: "rootfs_open -w" Oct 23 16:54:14 mount -o rw,remount / can be used instead of rootfs_open -w as well Oct 23 16:54:27 ok thanks... Oct 23 16:55:37 *fixing my passwd file from novacom... pita since vi doesn't work in novacom Oct 23 16:56:17 why doesn't vi work? Oct 23 16:57:48 dunno... it runs outputs the contents of the file and a bunch of random crap on the last line and cursor is at the bottom... I just do a :q just in case... since I'd rather not totally hose the passwd file.. Oct 23 16:58:44 cp passwd passwd.bak Oct 23 16:58:44 so I did a echo "filecontent" > passwd for the fix Oct 23 16:58:55 what? another palm system update? Oct 23 16:59:01 echo >> Oct 23 16:59:04 i just installed patches! Oct 23 16:59:10 Robi_, do you have my tether? Oct 23 16:59:12 I really hope that was a ">>" not a ">" Oct 23 16:59:20 yes Oct 23 16:59:21 no.. I don't want to append Oct 23 16:59:38 Robi_, my-tether may be causing infinite upgrades Oct 23 16:59:39 the prob was setting up bash Oct 23 17:00:11 egaudet_work: ooh. i just upgraded mytether since it wasn't working 4 days ago Oct 23 17:00:25 lemme check the forums Oct 23 17:00:32 I did "/bin/bash" instead of "/opt/bin/bash" Oct 23 17:00:55 Robi_, if you used the my.tether.install script it installs the service as ipk to / root partition Oct 23 17:01:15 which Chuq has posted installing to root is what is causing the 1.2.1 multi upgrades Oct 23 17:01:24 no i used the lil windows app Oct 23 17:01:46 I don't know what that is Oct 23 17:02:00 Robi_ do you have linux access? Oct 23 17:02:02 to your pre Oct 23 17:02:28 i can ssh in if that's what you mean Oct 23 17:04:34 egaudet_work: or do you mean novacomm usb link to a linux box Oct 23 17:05:35 ssh is fine Oct 23 17:05:53 ssh in and run the command: Oct 23 17:05:59 ipkg list net.aonic.tether Oct 23 17:06:43 it installs in /usr? Oct 23 17:06:54 dBsooner-work, yea it uses "ipkg install" Oct 23 17:06:59 yuck Oct 23 17:07:05 for the service which is packaged into ipk Oct 23 17:08:02 oh man my sshd is slow for some reason Oct 23 17:08:16 any my account isn't logging in, sonnuva Oct 23 17:08:36 how do i restart ssh (dropbear) command line? event.d? Oct 23 17:10:05 service dropbear restart Oct 23 17:10:08 or service sshd resart Oct 23 17:11:21 might have to prepend /sbin/ to service.. "/sbin/service" Oct 23 17:11:22 thanks... but "service not found" Oct 23 17:11:28 thanks Oct 23 17:11:59 nothing should have changed my user/pass during upgrade right? Oct 23 17:12:08 nope Oct 23 17:12:49 I've heard people report sometimes there user was wiped from an upgrade Oct 23 17:13:04 never followed any of those claims or anything but have heard rumblings here and there around pc.net Oct 23 17:14:42 hmm i had another acct.. screw that i have a terminal app to play with Oct 23 17:14:49 still no love... :( "find -name service" only finds the "...com.plam.app.notes..." one Oct 23 17:15:31 berk: reboot? Oct 23 17:15:40 shazbot! Oct 23 17:15:44 /etc/init.d/dropbear restart Oct 23 17:16:04 egaudet_work: my accounts are wiped, nothing in /etc/passwd heh unbelievable Oct 23 17:16:23 NOTHING is there? Oct 23 17:16:27 isn't that bad? Oct 23 17:16:38 oh wait.. look at /var/etc/passwd Oct 23 17:16:43 see if it's there by chance Oct 23 17:17:02 +dBsooner-work thanks but also a dead end Oct 23 17:17:11 hang on berk Oct 23 17:17:14 let me log into my pre Oct 23 17:17:15 i meant none of my users are present Oct 23 17:17:39 oh ok Oct 23 17:17:43 thought you meant all were gone Oct 23 17:17:45 no such file in var Oct 23 17:18:42 lol Oct 23 17:19:16 installer thread still providing plenty of lols this morning Oct 23 17:20:14 doh Oct 23 17:20:17 im an idiot Oct 23 17:20:22 Berk: its initctl Oct 23 17:20:32 I am stuck in debian world with 'service" Oct 23 17:20:40 try: initctl dropbear restart Oct 23 17:20:47 or initctl sshd restart Oct 23 17:20:54 I forget which it installs as Oct 23 17:21:09 thanks will try it Oct 23 17:23:16 uh i forgot the command to make the partition writeable Oct 23 17:23:26 * Robi_ blanks Oct 23 17:24:58 robi: mount -o rw,remount / Oct 23 17:25:14 no th other one, shorter one Oct 23 17:25:31 robi: and then "mount -o ro,remount /" will undo Oct 23 17:25:38 robi: I always use those, sorry Oct 23 17:26:31 Robi_: the rootfs one? Oct 23 17:26:57 i use the "mount -o rw,remount /" because it is easy to remember since both the rw and ro commands are the same Oct 23 17:27:18 ok... I am looking at the optware automated install script... and there appears to be an issue with the firewall configuration (I could be wrong...) Oct 23 17:27:30 IF i had ssh access i woudlnt care, but this terminal app is causing issues Oct 23 17:27:49 rootfs -w ? Oct 23 17:27:53 rootfs doesn't exist Oct 23 17:28:26 rootfs_open or something like that, i think Oct 23 17:28:33 rootfs_open -w isn't much shorter than mount -o rw,remount / Oct 23 17:28:36 rootfs_open -w Oct 23 17:29:09 *right there with ya Robi_ Oct 23 17:30:02 must easier to type, thnks Oct 23 17:30:05 egaudet_work: it is shorter, but mount -o rw,remount / is easier to remember since to make it RO again its the same command except ro instead of rw and there is no rootfs_close or w/e Oct 23 17:31:04 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/210967-installer-6.html#post1994523 Oct 23 17:31:19 what does being a developer have to do with what I want to see/install? Oct 23 17:31:27 EVERYTHING Oct 23 17:31:32 finalyl logged in Oct 23 17:31:50 I'm forking installer, and putting "3rd time's a charm" Oct 23 17:32:07 i just don't understand who 'we' is, and what they did the first time Oct 23 17:32:38 i dont understand why there's a 5 sec delay in my ssh session Oct 23 17:35:35 over WiFi ssh is virtually instantaneous... EVDO... laggy Oct 23 17:35:48 i'm in over usb Oct 23 17:36:22 well no , wifi Oct 23 17:36:29 my only experience over usb is novacom and it is laggy too... Oct 23 17:42:31 there i am in netstat going tot he wifi ip, still laggy 5-10 secs Oct 23 17:43:04 wtf is it with all these port 80 connections Oct 23 17:45:00 I checked out the results of the optiware install script and everything appears fine... of note dropbear automatically respawns so a restart was a matter of kill -SIGTERM dropbearPID Oct 23 17:45:39 I couldn't ger initctl to even stop dropbear... Oct 23 17:51:07 So is it possible to get bash over ssh? Oct 23 17:51:23 Mem: 245036k total, 240892k used, 4144k free, 16448k buffers Oct 23 17:51:27 Swap: 131064k total, 71344k used, 59720k free, 44572k cached Oct 23 17:51:30 gah swapping Oct 23 17:55:23 egaudet_work: ya tether is tehre Oct 23 17:55:36 root@castle:/var/home/root# ipkg list *aonic* Oct 23 17:55:36 net.aonic.tether - 1.0.4 - Service to control various tethering options for My Tether Oct 23 17:56:07 uninstall ? Oct 23 17:56:27 root@castle:/var/home/root# ipkg -o /var list *aonic* Oct 23 17:56:27 net.aonic.my-tether - 2.0.2 - My Tether Oct 23 17:56:32 does anyone here know the creator of BatteryMonitor ? Oct 23 17:56:39 wow two versions Oct 23 17:59:06 quick question...do I need to run the patch recovery prior to updating Preware/Package Manager? Oct 23 17:59:09 A2NY: heh sez by palm Oct 23 17:59:14 Delete my them as well? Oct 23 17:59:32 that was theme* Oct 23 18:00:26 Robi_: I'm confused, what ? Oct 23 18:01:22 I was asking about updating my Preware... Oct 23 18:01:33 Robi_, uninstall the tether one Oct 23 18:01:37 the service Oct 23 18:01:48 if you want tether to work (i.e. the service) you'll have to manually install the service Oct 23 18:02:07 but installing it via ipk like that is believed to be causing the 1.2.1 upgrade syndrome Oct 23 18:02:09 egaudet_work: in /var? Oct 23 18:02:14 no not the one in var Oct 23 18:02:20 that is the mojo app portion Oct 23 18:02:24 that is fine Oct 23 18:02:31 A2NY: idid an orange+tap on the batterymonitor and it said ver 1.0.0 by palm Oct 23 18:02:45 ipkg remove net.aonic.tether Oct 23 18:02:51 Why do you ask AN2Y...? Oct 23 18:02:52 egaudet_work: no, the service must install in /var too ? Oct 23 18:03:01 Robi_, no Oct 23 18:03:14 well depends Oct 23 18:03:17 egaudet_work: by default the tether service installs to root Oct 23 18:03:26 the service can be packaged into advanced ipkg with postinst Oct 23 18:03:31 and installed with ipkg Oct 23 18:04:05 there's no "pretty" way to get the tether service installed as is Oct 23 18:04:21 you can extract the bits from the ipk and move them into place Oct 23 18:04:27 but then you have no easy uninstall Oct 23 18:04:39 you can create a postinst and repackage the ipkg and install using -o /var Oct 23 18:05:01 i still can't find any of this carp on the tether forum Oct 23 18:05:08 but as long as it's installed to / as it's current form, then you will get update issue Oct 23 18:05:16 because it's new info Robi_ Oct 23 18:05:30 you'd figure aonic would know abt it Oct 23 18:05:43 if he knew about it, I'd think he would change his script Oct 23 18:05:48 he may not know about it yet Oct 23 18:07:10 raja@aonic.net Oct 23 18:09:11 Robi_, don't know if I said this yet but I'm not positive this is a cause Oct 23 18:09:20 but based on what Chuq has said it seems likely Oct 23 18:09:46 where'd chuq say it? Oct 23 18:10:04 i'm trying to gather all bits to send him an email with Oct 23 18:10:30 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/207349-non-stop-1-2-1-updating-13.html#post1994318 Oct 23 18:11:13 k Oct 23 18:11:47 rick_home / Rick_work: blocked finally moved into the "published" category Oct 23 18:11:59 YIPPEEEE Oct 23 18:12:12 complete with edit menu Oct 23 18:12:15 xD Oct 23 18:12:37 thanks for the tip, we'll see if i get the issue again now that the service is gone from root Oct 23 18:12:43 ^ egaudet_work Oct 23 18:12:44 REVERSI UPDATE just moved to published. JUST NOW Oct 23 18:13:17 dotgame update which i uploaded BEFORE blocked is still being reviewed Oct 23 18:13:28 they will probably ask me to add the edit menus Oct 23 18:14:00 Quick question please: Do I need to uninstall my theme as well as run the Patch Recovery prior to updating Package Manager Service/Preware? Oct 23 18:14:06 they're probably putting out new apps/updates today Oct 23 18:14:08 so who else has access to the preware repo? Oct 23 18:14:25 cdadams1223 no Oct 23 18:15:15 I keep getting mixed responses on that Egaudet. So the patches I have can remain? Nothing bad will happen? LOL! Oct 23 18:15:37 wow Oct 23 18:15:42 and I quote: "If you are seeing repeated requests to update your phone to 1.2.1, it is probably because something has been installed into the root partition on the phone. Some versions of the homebrew installers did this, and it causes the update program to think the phone needs to be updated. Deleting the app or files won't solve the problem, you'll need to use webOS Doctor and reinitialize the phone to fix this p Oct 23 18:15:54 So "doctor"? LOL.. I think not. Oct 23 18:16:01 lol Oct 23 18:16:10 nod Oct 23 18:16:11 its a mytether problem? Oct 23 18:16:16 possibly Oct 23 18:16:18 its the only one that installs into /usr, right? Oct 23 18:16:22 not mytether Oct 23 18:16:24 tether* Oct 23 18:16:30 the original one that installed to /usr Oct 23 18:16:35 i'm just restarting luna after removing the .tether service from root Oct 23 18:17:08 * oilsworkn is not surprised its causing problems Oct 23 18:17:19 I'm not iether Oct 23 18:17:23 * oilsworkn sees reversi update in catalog Oct 23 18:17:48 it makes sense Oct 23 18:17:48 still thinks it needs an upgrade Oct 23 18:17:48 ;[ Oct 23 18:17:48 hey, blocked is there too Oct 23 18:17:48 along with bunches of other stuff Oct 23 18:17:49 BLOCKED??! Oct 23 18:17:49 REALLY? Oct 23 18:17:51 COOL!!! Oct 23 18:18:04 were you told it would be there? Oct 23 18:18:09 i just looked Oct 23 18:18:14 by opening the catalog, and going to recent Oct 23 18:18:22 oh great! another tip calculator! Oct 23 18:18:23 but they didn't tell you it was accepted? Oct 23 18:18:31 no, they never do Oct 23 18:18:32 yeah, i found that out yesterday Oct 23 18:18:43 i mean Oct 23 18:18:48 they never tell you for updates tho, they just push them. Oct 23 18:18:51 i only knew because i got a review, and it only had a suggested change Oct 23 18:19:02 you have to check the developer.palm.com app list Oct 23 18:19:07 so i was like "yeah, i know its nto great on the pixi screen size" Oct 23 18:19:10 "so its good to go?" Oct 23 18:19:47 so you going to keep two forks? Oct 23 18:19:59 aye? Oct 23 18:20:18 the app cat build and the homebrew build.. Oct 23 18:20:29 and are they diff appid's? Oct 23 18:20:38 yeah Oct 23 18:20:48 the app catalog version doesn't have the designer Oct 23 18:20:58 so im keeping hte homebrew version with it Oct 23 18:21:01 welp if anyone wants to poke around on an effected phone, let me know Oct 23 18:21:08 and to say thanks to everyone who submitted all 200 puzzles that its using Oct 23 18:21:36 awesome! Oct 23 18:21:42 We need we need more tip calculators Oct 23 18:21:46 Will you continue to update it? Oct 23 18:21:51 probably Oct 23 18:22:04 but if you like it, by all means drop $1.99 to get the app catalog version :) Oct 23 18:22:12 Who actually USES a tip calc? Oct 23 18:22:20 I multiply the tax * 2. Oct 23 18:22:35 and if they did good, add another 5 bucks Oct 23 18:22:47 you gotta start with the tip on the table Oct 23 18:22:57 and whenever they screw up, take a dollar away Oct 23 18:23:26 that's a good idea Oct 23 18:23:27 lol Oct 23 18:23:27 i love the cow can app Oct 23 18:23:29 ;D Oct 23 18:23:38 r0tfl Oct 23 18:24:12 you know. Oct 23 18:24:31 with the size of these apps coming out, I am surprised there hasn't been an uproar about size limits. Oct 23 18:24:47 esp when we're so low in partitioned space in /var Oct 23 18:24:56 exactly Oct 23 18:24:58 i;m not low Oct 23 18:25:01 my /var is 2gb Oct 23 18:25:02 :p Oct 23 18:25:16 I had to move like 20 apps yesterday just to get down to 100MB free in /var so I could install card ace. Oct 23 18:26:00 s/down/up/ Oct 23 18:26:00 dBsooner-work meant: I had to move like 20 apps yesterday just to get up to 100MB free in /var so I could install card ace. Oct 23 18:28:02 dBsooner-work, part of mytether's isntall is to install tether, which is the service portion Oct 23 18:28:25 rather than use advanced homebrew ipkg with postinst, the tether author uses ipkg install into root to achieve service installation Oct 23 18:28:32 oh Oct 23 18:28:57 i have my tether and i have no issue with looped update Oct 23 18:29:02 well I don't like that Oct 23 18:29:15 i have my tether as well and have never had an issue Oct 23 18:29:32 dBsooner-work, do ipkg list net.aonic.tether Oct 23 18:29:55 dBsooner-work: run the upadte app to see if there's any new ones Oct 23 18:29:58 isn't it com.palm.app.tether Oct 23 18:30:07 dBsooner-work: nope Oct 23 18:30:07 Robi_: I do it all the time. Oct 23 18:30:20 dBsooner-work, ipkg list net.aonic.tether does that show anything? Oct 23 18:30:25 then perhaps it's triggereg by the background checker Oct 23 18:30:28 im not at home yet Oct 23 18:30:31 be there in 3 mins Oct 23 18:30:32 terminal Oct 23 18:30:33 app Oct 23 18:30:51 im driving Oct 23 18:30:51 ;) Oct 23 18:31:06 there's gotta be a setting somewhere or flag in db that says new update=1 Oct 23 18:31:08 and textin?! Oct 23 18:31:10 gotta find it and reset it Oct 23 18:31:11 wif man Oct 23 18:31:22 not just texting Oct 23 18:31:24 typing on my laptop Oct 23 18:31:35 traffic that good eh Oct 23 18:31:55 en0x you have mytether? Oct 23 18:31:56 it alwayts is Oct 23 18:31:58 and no update issues? Oct 23 18:32:10 egaudet_work: yes I do and no issues Oct 23 18:32:13 can you do ipkg list net.aonic.tether on your pre Oct 23 18:32:15 maybe because I have the paid version Oct 23 18:32:15 :D Oct 23 18:32:33 i have the paid version too Oct 23 18:32:41 aparently the free one isn't affected Oct 23 18:32:55 ya Oct 23 18:32:56 ok well I have no idea what the difference is Oct 23 18:33:02 i have 1.0.4 version Oct 23 18:33:11 of the service Oct 23 18:33:17 the paid ver is for the app Oct 23 18:33:33 all I know is I'm looking at my.tether.install script that I got from the precentral thread (well got from aonic's site with wget) Oct 23 18:33:47 it moos when you change direction? Oct 23 18:33:58 that app is $.99? Oct 23 18:34:04 i should have charged a lot more for blocked... Oct 23 18:34:06 en0x, so ipkg list net.aonic.tether shows 1.0.4? Oct 23 18:34:23 ipkg -o /var/ remove net.aonic.my-tether Oct 23 18:34:29 no Oct 23 18:34:31 ipkg -o /var/ install net.aonic.my-tether_2.0.2_all.ipk Oct 23 18:34:32 no Oct 23 18:34:35 ? Oct 23 18:34:36 egaudet_work: yes 1.0.4 Oct 23 18:34:44 and this ipkg -o is Oct 23 18:34:49 I did not ask for ipkg -o Oct 23 18:34:51 from mytheter forum Oct 23 18:35:04 i know but i'm showing that it is from mytether.com forum Oct 23 18:35:26 I'm lost Oct 23 18:35:35 did you run ipkg -o list or ipkg list? Oct 23 18:35:36 im drunk Oct 23 18:36:33 Robi_, do you have fair dinkum installed? Oct 23 18:36:50 root@castle:/var/home/root# ipkg list net.aonic.tether Oct 23 18:36:50 net.aonic.tether - 1.0.4 - Service to control various tethering options for My Tether Oct 23 18:36:56 i dont know what that is Oct 23 18:37:14 en0x do you have fair dinkum installed? Oct 23 18:37:20 egaudet_work: yes Oct 23 18:37:30 root@castle:/var/home/root# ipkg list *fair* Oct 23 18:37:30 root@castle:/var/home/root# ipkg list *dinkum* Oct 23 18:37:33 nada Oct 23 18:37:45 so it's possible fair dinkum may hide the update problem Oct 23 18:37:56 IF it is due to installing to / as Chuq said Oct 23 18:38:07 Robi_, install fair dinkum via preware Oct 23 18:38:23 k Oct 23 18:38:27 and see if update problem doesn't go away Oct 23 18:38:32 or still occurs Oct 23 18:38:46 but even before fair dinkum i did not had an issue Oct 23 18:39:14 ipkg -o /var list *dinkum* Oct 23 18:39:14 org.webosinternals.fairdinkum - 0.4.0 - Fair Dinkum App Limit Oct 23 18:39:17 i have never had an issue Oct 23 18:39:24 so i do have it Oct 23 18:39:31 egaudet_work: ;-/ Oct 23 18:40:39 woop preware servuce update, so restarting java.. Oct 23 18:40:52 it'd be nice if it warned you before Oct 23 18:41:02 ok well it doesn't look like it's tether Oct 23 18:41:24 you mean like the warning its going to restart it that preware gives you? Oct 23 18:42:28 yea, like in the description, updating this service will likely require a java service restart Oct 23 18:42:44 ow you're stuck with hitting ok Oct 23 18:42:56 no you aren't Oct 23 18:43:18 ahh.. forgive me.. for I do NOT have mytether installed anymore Oct 23 18:43:28 I remember removing it back when that big security hole was found Oct 23 18:43:35 well, you aren't if you know what you're doing ;) Oct 23 18:44:31 what is the 'types' button supposed to do? Oct 23 18:44:40 does nothing now Oct 23 18:44:48 aye? Oct 23 18:46:16 oh wow Oct 23 18:46:18 ok weird Oct 23 18:46:27 same day blocked is put in the catalog, so is "blocks" Oct 23 18:46:29 preware didn't know fair dinkum was installed Oct 23 18:46:35 which is basically the same thing Oct 23 18:46:44 with for $1 more, with 100 less puzzles Oct 23 18:48:14 system update poped up again Oct 23 18:50:01 after 3mo insurance finally got me a new PRE Oct 23 18:50:02 !!! Oct 23 18:51:33 got a q about.... Oct 23 18:51:34 im tempted to pay the $3 to download his app just to look at its source Oct 23 18:51:36 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/running {} Oct 23 18:51:56 Oil, I would Oct 23 18:51:59 is there a way to supply a specific app like "com.palmapp.email" and get the process id for just that app. Oct 23 18:52:05 because if they did, yoiu could issue a formal take down Oct 23 18:52:21 xorg there isn't a process id Oct 23 18:52:29 the apps are all running inside luna Oct 23 18:52:30 unfortunately his was added later, and is at the top of the list Oct 23 18:52:34 while mine is far down Oct 23 18:52:35 luna process id that is Oct 23 18:52:42 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/running {} Oct 23 18:52:47 does return a luna id Oct 23 18:52:48 oil -- it's 3 bux. do it. Oct 23 18:52:51 and then I can stop it Oct 23 18:53:08 but the command show ALL running apps, i only want it to show one app Oct 23 18:53:11 do i really want to send him 3 bucks though? Oct 23 18:53:22 if it results in a take down? Yes. Oct 23 18:53:59 what's your license? Oct 23 18:54:15 not open? Oct 23 18:54:30 kk anything that isn't explicitly open is closed. Oct 23 18:54:31 Do it. Oct 23 18:55:09 I tried... luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/running {\"id\":\"com.palm.app.email\"} Oct 23 18:55:21 but it still shows ALL apps, not just the emai process id Oct 23 18:57:11 his icon even looks like my icon used to before i made it 3dish Oct 23 18:57:12 xD Oct 23 18:57:49 anyways, time for lunch Oct 23 18:59:15 or is there a way to close an app by name rather than process id... Oct 23 18:59:24 luna-send -n 1 "palm://com.palm.applicationManager/close Oct 23 18:59:50 from what i can tell, 'close' only works with proc id, not app name Oct 23 19:01:10 Rick_work: i can't buy it, PMT03010 error Oct 23 19:01:13 * oilsworkn goes to lunch Oct 23 19:04:35 what exactly does the "wrap location field" patch do? Oct 23 19:05:11 oil I can't buy ANYTING Oct 23 19:05:15 same error Oct 23 19:05:18 for the past week. Oct 23 19:05:31 its an error on palm site Oct 23 19:05:33 not urs Oct 23 19:05:36 call palm Oct 23 19:16:34 sigh Oct 23 19:16:37 so I've noticed this slowdown after running pandora.. My suspicion is that it's fragmenting memory or something that causes everything to be SLOW afterwards Oct 23 19:16:38 I am going to beat abyssul Oct 23 19:16:53 taking screenshots with a theme installed Oct 23 19:17:17 like so bad that if I hit a dialpad key it takes several seconds to hear the beep Oct 23 19:25:06 twee finally in the app catalog. wonder if full version if worth $3 Oct 23 19:36:09 Rick_work: i can buy other stuff, just not that Oct 23 19:41:39 this is -internals? Oct 23 19:41:42 sigh Oct 23 19:45:04 oil: what's the difference from blocked and blocks? Oct 23 19:45:15 his is more expensive with less puzzles? Oct 23 19:45:47 oil: is that it? Oct 23 19:46:38 i dont know Oct 23 19:46:51 i was going to buy his to check out the source to make sure he wasn't doing anything nefarious Oct 23 19:46:55 but was unable to download it Oct 23 19:48:11 nefarious :) Oct 23 19:49:27 Hi All Oct 23 19:49:58 yay Oct 23 19:50:05 my flight is late Oct 23 19:50:13 and i will miss my connection Oct 23 19:50:19 so now i am getting bumped to first class on another airline Oct 23 19:50:26 awesome Oct 23 19:50:30 rad Oct 23 19:50:45 Puff: I thought you were going to say "... so now I have to stay in Vegas for another day with nothing to do" Oct 23 19:50:55 Does anybody know where the application database/data is stored in webos? specifically I'd like to try setting the draggable attribute for the launcher icon to true (to be able to remove it from quick-launch) Oct 23 19:51:29 nt4cats: that would have been nice Oct 23 19:51:42 but now i get to get drunk on the ride home in a big comfy seat Oct 23 19:52:12 i sure have been banking some hours using my phone as a internet provider on my lappy :D Oct 23 19:52:19 free "tether" ftw! Oct 23 19:52:32 rwhitby: i think i will just call it freeTether Oct 23 19:53:26 heh, freeMoreReliableTether? Oct 23 19:53:49 Anyone? Oct 23 19:57:08 Templarian: ping Oct 23 20:00:20 U4ea: you might try looking at the source for several of the similar patches Oct 23 20:00:31 PuffTheMagic_: pong Oct 23 20:00:57 Templarian: do you have any graphics spare time? Oct 23 20:01:14 Templarian: i have a request that isnt exactly webos related but still opensource Oct 23 20:01:55 Puff: No, templarian will not draw you a picture of boobies Oct 23 20:02:18 Nah, kind of busy on my project atm, trying to get it coded up and stuff. Oct 23 20:02:25 Sorry :( Oct 23 20:02:51 nt4cats: I've looked and they only change the js code, I'm assuming the draggable attribute for an app will be in a db3 database somewhere - but can't find which 1 =/ Oct 23 20:03:39 egaudet_work: Oct 23 20:03:48 egaudet_work: ping ... or rwhitby ping Oct 23 20:04:31 I can find the connect line, but don't know enough about the depot at this point to know where it points to: Oct 23 20:04:33 this._depot = new Mojo.Depot(this.kDepotOptions, this.r efresh.bind(this), this._onDepotInitFailure.bind(this)); Oct 23 20:04:43 dBsooner-work syn-ack Oct 23 20:05:02 egaudet_work: how do I commit a tag to the 1.3.1 branch? Oct 23 20:05:03 Puff: Here are some boobies for you, though http://tinyurl.com/yj8cltu Oct 23 20:05:14 what is a 1.3.1 branch? Oct 23 20:05:20 sigh Oct 23 20:05:31 rwhitby made a 1.3.1 branch of modifications.git Oct 23 20:05:44 1.1.3? Oct 23 20:06:09 checkout the branch, make your changes, commit, tag etc.. same as usual Oct 23 20:06:10 nm Oct 23 20:06:12 i did it wrong Oct 23 20:06:13 my bad Oct 23 20:06:13 lol Oct 23 20:10:22 hwow do you force a delete of a tag? Oct 23 20:10:26 PuffTheMagic_: ping Oct 23 20:10:30 ? Oct 23 20:10:36 why do you want to delete a tag? Oct 23 20:10:36 I have tried git -d TAG Oct 23 20:10:44 right Oct 23 20:10:47 git tag -d... Oct 23 20:10:50 I did Oct 23 20:10:52 that deletes it from your box Oct 23 20:11:00 how do you commit that? Oct 23 20:11:02 git push --tags (now puff yells about --tags) Oct 23 20:11:02 u want to delete it from the server? Oct 23 20:11:13 git push --tags doesn't do it Oct 23 20:11:13 ^^^^ NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oct 23 20:11:17 hehe Oct 23 20:11:22 you delete a tag like you delete a branch Oct 23 20:11:39 so if I delete a tag, would it whipe anything out? Oct 23 20:11:42 * PuffTheMagic_ waits to see if anyone can connect the dots Oct 23 20:11:57 dBsooner-work: no a tag is just like a symlink Oct 23 20:11:59 so basically don't delete tags? Oct 23 20:12:07 so how the hell do I delete it? Oct 23 20:12:07 u can delete tags Oct 23 20:12:15 i deleted a tag once Oct 23 20:12:16 git push origin :tag Oct 23 20:12:36 its like pushing a tag Oct 23 20:12:39 with a colon in front Oct 23 20:12:47 same with creating/deleting branches Oct 23 20:12:56 ahhh Oct 23 20:12:58 thank you! Oct 23 20:13:15 * PuffTheMagic_ digislaps egaudet_work for joking about --tags Oct 23 20:13:36 lol Oct 23 20:13:51 git push origin tag is safer than --tags Oct 23 20:14:05 they dont even do remotely the same thing Oct 23 20:14:19 :P Oct 23 20:14:22 but since you guys never use more than one remote at a time you will never understand Oct 23 20:14:26 egaudet_work says --tags is much faster to type Oct 23 20:14:27 ;) Oct 23 20:14:51 I say I know I won't have tags locally that I don't want to push Oct 23 20:14:59 but I understand there are many cases where you would Oct 23 20:15:08 egaudet_work: dBsooner-work: lets pretend we each have our own git/patch repo Oct 23 20:15:21 that tracks the webos-internals ones Oct 23 20:15:30 and we each have our own tags Oct 23 20:15:35 for our individual use Oct 23 20:15:54 maybe you want to add my repo to as a remote in your working dir Oct 23 20:15:57 when you fetch my repo Oct 23 20:16:01 it pulls in all my tags Oct 23 20:16:11 so then lets say you try to push to webos Oct 23 20:16:15 and u use git push --tags Oct 23 20:16:23 it pushes every tag your working dir knows about Oct 23 20:16:33 that would be bad Oct 23 20:17:01 pfft multiple remote repos Oct 23 20:17:05 pfffffffffffft Oct 23 20:17:31 yes you guys use 1% of git's features Oct 23 20:17:37 i know I'm just messing Oct 23 20:17:53 git push or git push : Oct 23 20:18:18 or git push master Oct 23 20:18:18 ? Oct 23 20:18:18 s/master/origin/ Oct 23 20:18:18 where origin is the name of the "remote" Oct 23 20:19:35 remote = Oct 23 20:19:38 git push Oct 23 20:19:45 where remote = is in .git/config Oct 23 20:19:46 right? Oct 23 20:20:01 or is it [remote ""] that matters? Oct 23 20:20:13 yea nm Oct 23 20:20:30 delete last 6 comments Oct 23 20:22:42 lol Oct 23 20:22:46 git remote Oct 23 20:22:50 those are your remotes Oct 23 20:22:53 git remote -A Oct 23 20:27:55 Anyone aware of how to delete emails locally rather than having it delete on the server as well? Oct 23 20:28:39 no, i use imap Oct 23 20:28:41 i hate pop Oct 23 20:29:26 PuffTheMagic_: oh, I forgot. No more tether discussion restrictions now that there's a SIM-unlocked GSM pre out there Oct 23 20:29:52 +PuffTheMagic_: well i agree and use the same, but, i have my settings to "7 days" and it seems to keep messages from over a month ago Oct 23 20:30:08 destinal: i never worried about tether discussions to begin with.... since what i was doing/asking about was not ever really tethering Oct 23 20:30:19 Flashpass: The mail app is a pos Oct 23 20:30:22 Flashpass: period Oct 23 20:30:58 +PuffTheMagic_: okay well that aside, how can I essentially clear my local cache and resync to only get the last week's worth Oct 23 20:31:00 Flashpass: heaping pile of... Oct 23 20:31:12 Flashpass: delete your account and remake it? Oct 23 20:32:53 hmm..I guess that's the best solution until they fix that bug, annoying since i have 4 accounts and need to do it periodically to keep the box clean Oct 23 20:34:37 hi Oct 23 20:44:21 tether tether tether tether Oct 23 20:44:31 ^^ me feels liberated now that gsm pre's are out Oct 23 20:46:09 morning Oct 23 20:46:19 hi Oct 23 20:46:44 does anyone know who created the BatteryMonitor app ? Oct 23 20:50:36 neville, according to this: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/batterymonitor Oct 23 20:50:36 anyone know the package ID or path of pdf view so I can restore it with webOS repair utility Oct 23 20:51:13 fs___ what needs to be restored about it? Oct 23 20:51:31 it's tar'd up, did you remove or change the tarball? Oct 23 20:52:21 i think it just removed the launcher Oct 23 20:52:40 when you remove it from the "List Apps..." menu Oct 23 20:53:06 ? Oct 23 20:53:39 I think the package for PDF view is still there but I can't see it in the launcher... how can I check Oct 23 20:53:59 someone said it was in a read-only partition Oct 23 20:54:22 it would be next to impossible to delete the app Oct 23 20:54:22 how are patches maintained in preware ? Oct 23 20:54:33 are they just in the git repo ? Oct 23 20:54:51 preware is just a gui frontend for an installation manager (ipkg service) Oct 23 20:55:38 but yes, all the patches are in a git repo Oct 23 20:55:41 dBsooner-work, so people are going to be making patches with the diff utility. Which allows you to separately put a "location on device", so that last patch we received has a broken header, and there's no way to know what it should have been without asking the submitter, but we don't know how to contact the submitter Oct 23 20:55:46 then we have an auto build script that downloads that Oct 23 20:55:55 and builds the packages Oct 23 20:56:17 egaudet_work: lovely Oct 23 20:56:22 get jason here Oct 23 20:56:31 he is always about breaking our stuff Oct 23 20:56:51 so how can i restore the link (launcher) to the app if the package is impossible to delete Oct 23 20:58:01 ok, I haven't been here in 3mo, i remember when I submitted like the 7th patch to the git xD Oct 23 20:58:21 now there are a lot more Oct 23 20:58:27 ;) Oct 23 20:58:44 LONG insurance claim was long Oct 23 20:58:59 or is there a way to check if the package is still there (through terminal maybe) Oct 23 20:59:34 egaudet_work knows the location of the tar A2NY Oct 23 20:59:40 sorry, fs___ ^^ Oct 23 20:59:44 lol ;) Oct 23 21:00:02 man, why doesnt Komodo have a "close all" tabs option Oct 23 21:00:21 egaudet_work: did you post in that thread of the diff maker that patches made with it wont be compatible with the webOS-Patches? Oct 23 21:00:32 no Oct 23 21:00:36 because they COULD be compatible Oct 23 21:00:46 as long as they do it right? Oct 23 21:00:50 yea basically Oct 23 21:01:07 so the progrfam needs to be edited Oct 23 21:01:16 to force a root folder Oct 23 21:01:27 so the diff header will show proper dir Oct 23 21:02:41 ? Oct 23 21:05:11 howdy partners :D Oct 23 21:05:39 wow. AIM really does suck battery. I turned it off and I'm still at 70% after ~7+hrs or so Oct 23 21:06:02 tlp: just standby only ? Oct 23 21:06:57 dBsooner-work, no the tool needs to be modified to NOT let the user give an arbitrary original file Oct 23 21:07:01 tlp: dang, that's a strong argument for me to stop leaving it on. Oct 23 21:10:12 A2NY: pretty light usage, but it's still usually lower than this. Oct 23 21:13:23 AIM sends data pretty constantly Oct 23 21:13:29 Buddy status updates, log in / out, etc Oct 23 21:13:32 It really kills standby Oct 23 21:14:00 I had the same problem on my old nokia phone too Oct 23 21:14:21 :( Oct 23 21:14:38 I haven't noticed a huge issue. killing wifi made my battery last a day now Oct 23 21:14:40 It would be nice if there was a way to tell the server to not send that much crap Oct 23 21:14:41 off to halo Oct 23 21:16:11 which file contains the apn information for the different providers? i need to change it from web.vodafone.de to wap.vodafone.de ... Oct 23 21:16:49 I feel dumb, I can't figure out how to bring up the virtual keyboard using the "tap with two fingers apart" method Oct 23 21:17:25 2 taps within 600ms is how it comes up Oct 23 21:17:35 2-3 seconds to render Oct 23 21:17:54 3rd tap will close it (also stop rendering if it is in the process) Oct 23 21:19:27 dBsooner-work, forgot to put daventx as one of the multi-mod maintainers :P Oct 23 21:22:46 Hey guys am trying to watch some rapidshare avi's how do I get it to stream them? Oct 23 21:23:35 does vi work in terminal ? Oct 23 21:23:51 sigh Oct 23 21:24:03 yes Oct 23 21:24:13 ^^-- A2NY Oct 23 21:24:20 which file contains the apn information for the different providers? i need to change it from web.vodafone.de to wap.vodafone.de ... Oct 23 21:24:23 sigh <---- egaudet_work Oct 23 21:24:49 do I have to use w3m to download the file from rapidshare onto the device or can it just not play avis'? Oct 23 21:26:19 or is there a real 'grep' somewhere installable? the current grep seems to be some terminal thingy - or is there a better way to search through the config files? Oct 23 21:26:30 ? Oct 23 21:27:04 What do you mean 'real' grep? And what do you mean "terminal thingy"? Oct 23 21:27:15 about maintainers Oct 23 21:27:42 I assume he means busybox Oct 23 21:27:48 for "terminal thingy" Oct 23 21:27:53 egaudet_work: i usually use grep for scanning files for my desired content - yes, busybox grep thingy :) Oct 23 21:28:04 what does the busybox grep lack? Oct 23 21:28:36 i usually do grep -Rv -B1 -A1 search * - and that doesn't work Oct 23 21:28:59 instead i am getting some terminal information which i don't need :P Oct 23 21:29:24 is there an optware grep? Oct 23 21:29:41 sure Oct 23 21:29:45 ipkg-opt list? Oct 23 21:29:52 ipkg-opt install grep Oct 23 21:29:54 rwhitby is here! Oct 23 21:30:02 thx - will do so :) Oct 23 21:30:43 isn't grep already installed ? Oct 23 21:30:45 rwhitby: are you storing anything extra in the 1.1.3 branch? Oct 23 21:31:00 i thought grep was a busybox internal command Oct 23 21:31:13 A2NY: doesn't seem so - at least on my pre :) Oct 23 21:31:22 grep is part of busybox but as with all busybox commands it is limited Oct 23 21:31:30 I just ran it on the pre terminal Oct 23 21:31:54 i run it all the time Oct 23 21:32:11 besides that: anyone having an idea where to find / change the apns? Oct 23 21:32:43 did you guys not read that Vince wants MORE functionality than the busybox grep has to offer? We know busybox offers grep Oct 23 21:32:59 * Vince42 blushes Oct 23 21:33:51 but sorry Vince got no idea about the apns Oct 23 21:34:09 np - it's not a usual task :) Oct 23 21:34:41 i hoped that the pre would have some settings where you could change those - but unfortunately it's said to be "hardcoded into the system" from what i read ... Oct 23 21:35:13 dBsooner-work: 1.1.3 branch is where 1.1.3 tags are created. it's a convenience only. you could use any new branch name to do the same thing. Oct 23 21:35:16 i just hope i don't brick my pre ... whenever i am installing something like libstd... i start to sweat a little ... Oct 23 21:35:43 Vince42: try the sqlite3 CarrierDatabase Oct 23 21:35:43 rwhitby: All i did earlier was "git tag v1.1.3-1" Oct 23 21:35:54 then "git push origin v1.1.3-1" Oct 23 21:36:13 rwhitby: ah - that indexes all the files? Oct 23 21:36:16 dBsooner-work: if you need a different patch file contents for 1.1.3 and 1.2.1, then you need to do then 1.1.3 one on a branch. Oct 23 21:36:20 Vince42 our experiance is that bricking a pre is impossible. Oct 23 21:36:36 Rick_work: impossible for an end-user Oct 23 21:36:44 rwhitby: huh? Oct 23 21:36:46 We admit that if you start messing with the modem coding, there is SOME chance, but really actually difficult to do Oct 23 21:36:57 Rick_work: ... but not when you are doing dirty little things ... Oct 23 21:37:02 yhou mean commit a different patch file to the 1.1.3 branch Oct 23 21:37:13 if it needs changes from 1.2.1 Oct 23 21:37:13 dBsooner-work, if 1.1.3 patch and 1.2.1 patches are different Oct 23 21:37:18 Gotcha Oct 23 21:37:32 Vince42 right. But _just_ messing with the Linux file system, I don't think so. If you start messing with Bootie, well then, I withdraw the comment. Oct 23 21:37:34 he's still downloading the libstdc++ - hope my network connection doesn't fail again ... Oct 23 21:37:35 dBsooner-work: if the patch for 1.1.3 is different from the patch for 1.2.1, then you don't want the 1.1.3 patch on trunk, you want it on a branch. Oct 23 21:38:19 is there a recovery bootie that you can't destroy? Oct 23 21:38:24 the 1.1.3 branch is a maintenance branch (in software configuration management terminology) Oct 23 21:38:30 * Vince42 waits for a download timeout or some failure now ... Oct 23 21:38:30 You can still doctor after wiping out bootie right? Oct 23 21:38:43 with webos doctor, right? Oct 23 21:38:43 i gotcha Oct 23 21:38:46 egaudet_work: that hasn't been tested, and I personally don't know how to do that Oct 23 21:39:15 ok I thought destinal or PuffTheMagic_ mentioned something about it before Oct 23 21:39:19 egaudet_work: my understanding is that the normal webOS Doctor requires the normal bootie, but there is another tool (which I do not have) which can do a lower-level restore Oct 23 21:39:40 That's what Geist said one evening. But he wouldn't go into any details Oct 23 21:39:41 ahh ok Oct 23 21:39:41 k - will let you know when i finally ruined my pre - npnp Oct 23 21:40:02 Vince42: as long as you stay away from /dev/mmc*, you'll be fine. Oct 23 21:40:16 k, will do so ... the download takes to long ... :( Oct 23 21:40:24 but basically, he said that the process used by the Doctor was closely related to the process used at the factory where they were putting an image onto a bare-just built piece of hardware. Oct 23 21:40:39 We don't have that program tho. Oct 23 21:40:50 Vince42: and no webos-internals instructions or optware or homebrew takes you near the danger area Oct 23 21:41:01 goodie Oct 23 21:41:07 how do I get {} in terminal ? Oct 23 21:41:38 A2NY, luna-send? Oct 23 21:41:49 i think you can use "0" in place of {} Oct 23 21:42:03 there's no bracket support in terminal app yet Oct 23 21:42:24 eek, so I can't awk Oct 23 21:43:15 well that makes I think 9 patches submitted today so far via db's script Oct 23 21:43:32 damn ... i think he's stuck ... is it safe to kill the install and to re-run it? Oct 23 21:44:32 rwhitby- Hey Rod, I think I have all the prepwork done for the meta doctor, ready to actually do the procedure Oct 23 21:44:50 jonaddis84: excellent. Oct 23 21:45:07 jonaddis84: just type "make" ;-) Oct 23 21:45:11 two questions though. It says to copy the webosdoctor file into metadoctor/downloads Oct 23 21:45:25 i do not have a downloads directory in the meta doctor folder Oct 23 21:45:33 right - you need to copy in the doctor files for the carriers you want to modify Oct 23 21:45:43 oh and i have a very simple question: whenever the pre switches the display off, my wlan is cut - is there any way to let him stay "on"? the preferences simply allow 1 minute, 3 minutes etc - which doesn't help ... Oct 23 21:45:55 jonaddis84: "mkdir downloads" - I'll update the Makefile to do that automatically Oct 23 21:46:21 only patch and scripts...so just create that directory in there then? Oct 23 21:46:37 Vince42: I've been looking to see how to do that based on whether a network connection is active or not, but haven't found a good way yet. Oct 23 21:46:40 jonaddis84: correct Oct 23 21:47:18 and second, it says to rename it with the 1.2.0 on the end, should it still be that or 1.2.1 now? Oct 23 21:47:37 Vince42, also there is a patch to give more options (as well as never) to the turn off after preference Oct 23 21:48:12 ah, nice ... Oct 23 21:48:39 so can i kill the download and start over now? it should not take minutes to download libstd++, right? Oct 23 21:49:46 sure, don't see how it would hurt restarting a download Oct 23 21:50:32 rwhitby- sorry keep forgetting to put your name in, so should i rename the doctor file webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.2.0.jar or webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.2.1.jar Oct 23 21:50:58 chrisa: or a different protocol for phones that only sends necessary info or something Oct 23 21:51:04 like text messages I guess Oct 23 21:51:07 (SMS) Oct 23 21:51:55 you actually can do AIM over SMS, but it's not as nice as having it built into the phone Oct 23 21:53:56 jonaddis84: 1.2.1, but check the md5sum on the webos doctor versions page first Oct 23 21:55:16 rwhitby - md5sum? I re-downloaded the latest version yesterday, is that what you mean? Oct 23 21:56:00 it should be 1.2.1 then Oct 23 21:58:20 where is the CarrierDatabase located? i guess i should install mlocate too in order to find my files easier ... Oct 23 21:58:56 rwhitby- ok, i should be good to go now...go into terminal now and type "make"? Oct 23 21:59:19 jonaddis84: which doctor images did you put in downloads? Oct 23 21:59:42 just the sprint one? Oct 23 22:00:01 yeah just the sprint one Oct 23 22:00:20 i didnt have to run it or anything did I? Just copy the whole file in there Oct 23 22:00:34 jonaddis84: make CARRIER=sprint unpack patch pack Oct 23 22:00:44 (otherwise it will try and do all three) Oct 23 22:01:06 how do i navigate to that directory in terminal? Oct 23 22:02:11 cd Oct 23 22:03:14 did i mention already that i love the pre? :P Oct 23 22:03:53 alright it is time to fight through Friday traffic Oct 23 22:04:25 rwhitby - man Im sorry, I must sound like an idiot, but I cant get it to go to that directory Oct 23 22:04:33 rwhitby: i found four carrier related files: Oct 23 22:04:35 /usr/lib/luna/CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 Oct 23 22:04:35 /usr/lib/luna/java/CarrierNetworkSettings.jar Oct 23 22:04:35 /var/lib/palmos/datamgr/PALM_DM/CarrierProfiles2_81000000 Oct 23 22:04:35 /var/luna/data/CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 Oct 23 22:04:46 which would you try first? Oct 23 22:04:50 Vince42: I don't know which is best. Oct 23 22:04:56 kk Oct 23 22:05:18 jonaddis84: do you remember which directory you were in when you ran the "git clone" command? Oct 23 22:06:17 my command line says jonaddis84@jonaddis84-laptop:~$ Oct 23 22:06:24 thats what ive been doing everything from Oct 23 22:06:42 jonaddis84: and there is a meta-doctor directory in there? Oct 23 22:07:31 yes, if i go to the file browser, the meta-doctor directory is in "jonaddis84" Oct 23 22:07:59 should i move it to the file system or something? Oct 23 22:09:00 egaudet: you can boot bootie over USBNet and doctor, that's essentially how they first load them Oct 23 22:09:20 s/USBNet/OMAP USB boot/ Oct 23 22:09:22 destinal meant: egaudet: you can boot bootie over OMAP USB boot and doctor, that's essentially how they first load them Oct 23 22:09:40 brain no workie Oct 23 22:10:27 I <3 your brain Oct 23 22:11:40 "What a terrible thing to have lost one's mind. Or not to have a mind at all. How true that is." -- Dan Quayle Oct 23 22:11:52 anyone else cannot connect to the app cat ? Oct 23 22:12:57 jonaddis84: does "ls" show the meta-doctor directory? Oct 23 22:13:32 destinal: do we have the tools and instructions for OMAP USB boot somewhere? Oct 23 22:13:37 rwhitby - yes it does Oct 23 22:13:45 jonaddis84: "cd meta-doctor" Oct 23 22:14:06 aha got it Oct 23 22:16:32 rwhitby - ok its doing its job now. One thing before I do this, should I make a list of all the homebrew apps I have installed to re-install them after the doctor? Oct 23 22:17:49 jonaddis84: yes, this will create a customised webOS Doctor which will completely wipe your phone just like the normal webOS Doctor. Oct 23 22:19:11 :/ Oct 23 22:22:27 rwhitby - about how long should it take? Oct 23 22:22:42 rwhitby: I haven't confirmed a booted bootie via this method, but it should work. get and build omap3_usbload by Martin Mueller (http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#USB_boot) Oct 23 22:22:58 jonaddis84: you should see it doing various commands. It shouldn't take more than 10 minutes overall. Oct 23 22:22:58 rwhitby: then ./omap3_usbload boot.bin Oct 23 22:23:39 destinal: thx. I might try this on the half-dead Pre that Technobabble is sending to me. Oct 23 22:23:43 anything else new on the fork? Oct 23 22:23:53 rwhitby- ok that is done, how long should the doctor take? Oct 23 22:24:13 I've booted some code via this mechanism and I may have booted bootie this way but I couldn't be sure that it booted to bootie from usb or just rebooted and booted bootie on the flash Oct 23 22:24:18 since my flash bootie is fine. Oct 23 22:24:39 jonaddis84: do you want to pastebin the log of the meta-doctor run so I can check it for you Oct 23 22:24:44 jonaddis84: webos.pastebin.com Oct 23 22:25:06 rwhitby: I booted u-boot also but it just sits there since I haven't wired up the onboard serial port Oct 23 22:25:24 oilsworkn: nothing other than a private message on PreCentral where opal coba asks me where we keep the background colour variable ... Oct 23 22:25:30 so I assume it boots but it's just a black screen Oct 23 22:25:39 we dont Oct 23 22:25:39 lol Oct 23 22:26:24 software like preware really isn't something for learning Oct 23 22:27:54 rwhitby: actually I think I just confirmed booting bootie over usb Oct 23 22:28:28 rwhitby - ok i pasted it Oct 23 22:28:56 rwhitby: with the battery out just plugging in usb gives me a battery with a question mark, but while running "sudo ./omap3_usbload boot.bin" and plugging in USB I get the bootie USB logo Oct 23 22:29:18 so I should be totally brickproof Oct 23 22:31:27 rwhitby: you can get boot.bin in /boot directory of nova-cust-image-castle-rootfs.tar in doctor image Oct 23 22:32:41 rwhitby - go ahead and let me know if it looks good, ill be right back to run the doctor if you think it looks good...thanks again Oct 23 22:33:40 jonaddis84: what's the pastebin url? Oct 23 22:35:03 jonaddis84: found it Oct 23 22:35:31 jonaddis84: yep, that's good to go. Use the doctor from the build/pre-p100eww-sprint-1.2.1 directory Oct 23 22:35:36 destinal: I may add a quick keyboard-shortcuts help scene to the terminal app Oct 23 22:35:48 oilsworkn: cool Oct 23 22:35:57 since thats like 99% of what people ever ask about it Oct 23 22:36:11 besides getting just a black screen cause they forgot the plugin Oct 23 22:36:55 oilsworkn: can we do an error message for forgetting the plugin like we do in Preware? Oct 23 22:37:02 idk Oct 23 22:37:28 we could probably put it in, and just make sure its zindex is lower then the tag Oct 23 22:37:35 oilsworkn: you can catch a call to an unknown js method name, right? Oct 23 22:37:39 so if nothing is in the object, it would be visible Oct 23 22:37:54 you can try/catch Oct 23 22:37:58 where its called Oct 23 22:38:06 and parse the exception or something Oct 23 22:38:11 to see what it was looking for Oct 23 22:38:32 that might work Oct 23 22:39:23 rwhitby: I'll write up the usb-boot bootie thing, not sure what to call the article "Bootloader recovery?" Oct 23 22:39:38 s/cle/cle. -- / Oct 23 22:39:39 destinal meant: rwhitby: I'll write up the usb-boot bootie thing, not sure what to call the article. -- "Bootloader recovery?" Oct 23 22:41:20 destinal: "Last Resort Emergency BootLoader Recovery" :-) Oct 23 22:42:15 lmao I accidentally flubbed my password and recaptcha presented me with "goads wiener" Oct 23 22:42:26 nice Oct 23 22:43:08 oilsworkn: so looks like no new Preware problems overnight, and some people reporting new success. Oct 23 22:43:23 thats good Oct 23 22:43:32 oilsworkn: I released 0.9.10 of ipkgservice too Oct 23 22:43:45 (with the fixed postinst for jauderho and the correct icon) Oct 23 22:44:04 yeah Oct 23 22:44:18 oilsworkn: and the version thing was a false alarm Oct 23 22:44:43 thats good Oct 23 22:48:36 and I'll be in and out sporadically today Oct 23 22:49:09 hey guys, if i embed a css file diretly in a scene, should it be stylesheets/moo.css or ../stylesheets/moo.css? Oct 23 22:49:22 moo? Oct 23 22:49:29 moo Oct 23 22:49:41 aka, the name doesnt matter, just trying to figure out the setup :) Oct 23 22:49:57 ive personally never tried it Oct 23 22:50:06 AnOutsider do NOT try to embed a css directly in a scene. Oct 23 22:50:09 It's not going to work. Oct 23 22:50:20 Scene html doesn't ever get parsed. Oct 23 22:50:21 Rick_ any suggestions? Oct 23 22:50:22 doesn't palm have some sort of loadstylesheet function or something? Oct 23 22:50:32 I thought it went in sources.json, but obviously not Oct 23 22:50:33 it's INSERTED using "innerHTML into the index.html Oct 23 22:50:52 Put it in index.html where it tells you to. Oct 23 22:50:56 after the mojo call Oct 23 22:50:56 AnOutsider: the css is normally in index Oct 23 22:50:57 yeah Oct 23 22:51:06 should I just load the stylesheet in index.html and make sure the styles are specific enough not to interfere with any other scene? Oct 23 22:51:11 yep Oct 23 22:51:16 and there is Oct 23 22:51:17 http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Controller.StageController.html#.loadStylesheet Oct 23 22:51:18 scenename_divclass Oct 23 22:51:25 there is that Oct 23 22:51:32 but I prefer scenename_divclass Oct 23 22:51:34 though all my apps only have 1 css file Oct 23 22:51:35 but it's up to you Oct 23 22:51:44 booya. would prefer that, thanks oil Oct 23 22:51:45 and i wrap my scenes in a div Oct 23 22:52:05 and do .scenename .classforscene Oct 23 22:52:16 thatworks too Oct 23 22:52:32 it also allows me to make a .form one Oct 23 22:52:37 indeed it does, I just had some crazy css I wanted to isolate Oct 23 22:52:43 and simply add that class to the container to load any form-specific classes i have Oct 23 22:54:10 im no css pro, but being able to reuse your css as much as possible is always the best way to go Oct 23 22:54:26 i dont take it so far as to add .leftAligned classes or anything xD Oct 23 22:56:05 no, you're right, it's pretty much the whole poinst being that it's "cascading" and all Oct 23 22:56:22 but this css was never going to be reused and it was quite bulky. Stuff like that, I try to isolate from the main CSS Oct 23 23:01:30 destinal: fso.org are going to use http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/msm-tools.git;a=summary Oct 23 23:04:27 how do I go about adding scripts to WebOS's cron equilivant Oct 23 23:04:44 rwhitby: cool Oct 23 23:05:49 destinal... are you the maker of Terminal? Oct 23 23:07:13 hello, I'm looking for help re-installing preware Oct 23 23:07:54 http://get.preware.org/ - grab the .exe if on windows Oct 23 23:08:12 it's 0.9.4, I believe the latest is 0.9.5 so you'll have to update once installed Oct 23 23:08:35 Berk: I'm one of the team members on the terminal project and I guess you could say the primary maintainer now Oct 23 23:08:50 get.preware.org really needs a better looking page Oct 23 23:09:03 xonxurred Oct 23 23:09:06 we need to fix the padding for the app, the corners make it hard to see on terminal Oct 23 23:09:12 s/xonxurred/concurred/ Oct 23 23:09:12 AnOutsider meant: concurred Oct 23 23:10:01 the sh for the optware installs both dropbear and openssh ? Oct 23 23:11:01 Berk: as far as "makers" there have been a lot of contributions from various team members on the webos-internals project, especially mrvc and zuchmir2 Oct 23 23:11:28 ~seen mrvc Oct 23 23:11:31 mrvc was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 67d 20h 49s ago, saying: 'Zuchmir2: hmm... don't know'. Oct 23 23:11:42 lol Oct 23 23:11:58 ok... cool just finished reinstalling it... like how this time it prompted me for the sevice install first... anyway I am looking to fire off a script that shutsdown alot of the extra developer services after a set period of time of inactivity (dropbear, etc...) and am looking for the service webOS uses for firing off timed events Oct 23 23:12:07 i think some other plugin project needs to be started Oct 23 23:12:22 like an nes emulator or something Oct 23 23:12:54 oilsworkn: I think we're all rooting for ameng to get his directfb plugin solid. has anyone heard anything about his progress? Oct 23 23:13:02 ~seen ameng Oct 23 23:13:03 ameng is currently on #webos-internals (9d 14h 28m 58s). Has said a total of 41 messages. Is idling for 1d 18h 10s, last said: 'rwhitby: oh'. Oct 23 23:13:47 i haven't heard anything Oct 23 23:15:09 Berk: hmmm, for timed events there's stuff in the official API's (documented in the SDK) Oct 23 23:15:37 Berk: they're not designed to interact with processes / command line scripts, though Oct 23 23:16:21 rwhitby: morning... a little confused... is the wiki search somewhat broken? Oct 23 23:16:39 ive always had a heck of a time finding anything with the wiki search Oct 23 23:16:54 I rememebr searching for terminal and never getting the app Oct 23 23:17:00 had to go to apps, then all, then terminal Oct 23 23:17:04 I just read an article containing the word SMS ... then did a search and it returns nada Oct 23 23:17:22 AnOutsider: yeah, that sucks Oct 23 23:18:09 destinal: ah... no script execution.... so what do you recommend? I suppose I could modify the initial startup script to hang around looking for activitiy... Oct 23 23:20:12 the idea is on phone restart all the developer apps and services are inplace, however if there is no activity just go back to being a phone without the overhead... Oct 23 23:20:46 Berk: how do you detect "activity"? Oct 23 23:21:32 plan on querying, grep, iptables for packets on my ssh port Oct 23 23:21:42 Berk: upstart in /etc/event.d Oct 23 23:22:03 * oilsworkn heads home Oct 23 23:22:18 hey hey. Oct 23 23:22:30 Seems we have lift-off with editing the GSM Carrier database Oct 23 23:22:42 http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/209819-o2-pre-international-networks.html#post1994861 Oct 23 23:22:53 oooo Oct 23 23:22:56 there is probably a more elegant way... but I figured it would get the job done... Oct 23 23:23:27 rwhitby: upstart... will check it out Oct 23 23:24:26 rwhitby- is there a trick to how I need to connect the pre via usb? When its connected it shows up in the devices menu in virtualbox, but the doctor doesnt appear to be recognizing it Oct 23 23:26:06 I am installing optware via terminal, I don't not have access to nova or wifi Oct 23 23:26:22 can someone host optware-openssh without the interface eth0 ? Oct 23 23:29:52 so... is upstart is not installed by default... Oct 23 23:31:59 rwhitby - can i just copy the new doctor file to my windows OS and run it there? Oct 23 23:32:34 jonaddis84: yes Oct 23 23:32:53 Berk: it's in webOS Oct 23 23:33:19 upstart is to webos what init is to most-other-distros Oct 23 23:33:21 ...it seems Oct 23 23:34:04 Mousey: webos actually uses normal init *and* upstart. Oct 23 23:34:09 rwhitby: ls -al|grep upstart = bubkis... Oct 23 23:34:22 in the /etc/event.d folder Oct 23 23:34:32 Berk: /etc/event.d are the upstart control scripts Oct 23 23:34:34 rwhitby: ow, my brain Oct 23 23:34:37 upstart is an executable Oct 23 23:34:51 init is just a state of being Oct 23 23:34:54 ^_^ Oct 23 23:35:01 bleh, little plastic piece/door on my Pre just broke after being extra careful not to snag it since I bought it. Oct 23 23:35:10 (for the USB port) Oct 23 23:35:16 egh I just took that off Oct 23 23:35:17 ooh Oct 23 23:35:19 it sucks Oct 23 23:35:44 it's in the way, makes using the pre inconvenient which is probably their selling poitn for the touchstone Oct 23 23:35:49 worthless door Oct 23 23:36:19 yeah, but the plastic next to it also broke Oct 23 23:36:25 the little thin strip Oct 23 23:36:31 which is what caused the door to fall out Oct 23 23:36:42 rwhiby: ah... ok so the planned feather of "Events generated at timed intervals or scheduled times" not implemented yet? Oct 23 23:37:27 rwhitby: I just confirmed this works, perhaps you can confirm it works on a system with an injured bootie :) Oct 23 23:37:29 tlp, like this? http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/198814-crack-my-fault-you-decide.html Oct 23 23:37:29 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery Oct 23 23:38:01 psykoz: nope. The tiny little strip below the door that you can sometimes snag trying to get it open Oct 23 23:38:07 rwhitby: oops the material is there but needs a bit of formatting to be a bit more readable :) Oct 23 23:39:49 I hope the Pre 2.0 is seriously beefed up compared to the quality of the first one. Oct 23 23:40:58 rwhitby: are the scripts in event.d ash only? Oct 23 23:41:54 Berk: they are upstart control files, not scripts Oct 23 23:42:13 destinal: someone else will do that for you :-) Oct 23 23:42:31 destinal: that's what wikis are for. dump the raw info, and someone else will clean it up ;-) Oct 23 23:43:19 rwhitby: hmmm... they read alot like scripts.... nice boolians, if, fi, some mkdir's lots of fun stuff..... Oct 23 23:44:01 rwhitby - Ummmm...I think I may have a serious problem. The doctor started running in Windows and then it said "phone disconnected, press ok to try again" Oct 23 23:44:09 I did not disconnect the phone Oct 23 23:44:52 now it wont recognize the phone, so i unplugged and replugged it, well the big USB symbol is stuck on the screen Oct 23 23:46:38 jonaddis84: first, relax, cause it's not a serious problem Oct 23 23:47:09 jonaddis84: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Oct 23 23:47:41 Berk: yeah, some do contain sh scripts Oct 23 23:48:06 jonaddis84: if you're concerned just reflash a normal doctor to give yourself warm fuzzy feelings. Oct 23 23:48:23 jonaddis84: otherwise, just try again. Oct 23 23:48:42 Does anyone know where the doctors prints the log messages on windows? Oct 23 23:48:51 ok, well it must not have gotten far, because the phone seems to be booting up normally right now with it disconnected, ill follow those steps on that wiki page Oct 23 23:49:02 rwhitby: Incidentally I just flashed 1.1.3 "world ready" on my Sprint Pre and it activated just fine Oct 23 23:49:02 it will be wherever Java programs log stuff to. Oct 23 23:49:34 destinal: yeah, the doctor images seem to be interchangeable and flash the correct modem firmware Oct 23 23:49:55 jonaddis84: do you know how to use md5sum? Oct 23 23:50:01 rwhitby: with the usb boot method :) Oct 23 23:50:11 rwhitby: I'd run the jar with "java -jar doctor-whatever.jar" to see the output on stdout Oct 23 23:50:16 in Windows Oct 23 23:50:47 rwhitby- no i dont Oct 23 23:50:56 destinal: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/msm-tools.git;a=summary has been updated Oct 23 23:51:10 jonaddis84: do what destinal just said to run the .jar Oct 23 23:54:07 does anyone know of an optware package for wireless info Oct 23 23:55:38 rwhitby- I think i need to reboot, ill brb Oct 23 23:57:10 rwhitby: ok I just found crond within upstart.... what am i missing as to what is controlling upstart to not start crond Oct 23 23:58:26 rwhitby: so you think you may be receiving a Pre with an injured bootie to try http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery on? Oct 24 00:00:08 destinal: I'm receiving a Pre which was in water for 10 minutes Oct 24 00:00:27 dunno what state it will be in. Oct 24 00:00:29 rwhitby: ouch. Oct 24 00:00:34 i think that means a Pre with an injured *everything* ;) Oct 24 00:00:35 but at least it will be safe to try things on ;-) Oct 24 00:00:42 A2NY: you mean like kismet? Oct 24 00:00:53 Welcome to rwhitby 's Laboratory Of HORROR Oct 24 00:01:05 crippled devices, cower in FEAR Oct 24 00:01:07 rwhitby: well at least you can see whether you get anything on the screen with bootie even if flash is entirely fried Oct 24 00:01:28 but it's probably more likely that the screen is dead than flash Oct 24 00:01:52 may be a good chance to find and solder wires to the serial pads Oct 24 00:02:03 freakout: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/420848340/in/set-72157594574977123/ Oct 24 00:02:21 destinal: yep, all that is in my plans for this Pre Oct 24 00:02:29 only cost me $25 plus shipping :-) Oct 24 00:03:03 rwhitby: ooh, horrific Oct 24 00:03:24 rwhitby: if you're lucky you may have just scored a very cheap dev board :) at very least, that's cheap even just to do exploratory surgery on one Oct 24 00:03:50 destinal: it's cheap for a test unit for practising disassembly and reassembly, even if it doesn't work at all Oct 24 00:04:35 rwhitby: interestingly switching releases seems to prevent restoring your data Oct 24 00:04:57 No wonder all thsoe dictionary apps do online lookups. Seems like pulling down any significant amount of data locks up the device Oct 24 00:05:00 rwhitby: now that I'm on world ready restore didn't find my data backed up from Sprint Oct 24 00:06:35 destinal: you're using GSM hardware or just the Doctor? Oct 24 00:06:39 if anyone has a moment, I've a question about the preware dropbear install; I've rooted with the method from the wiki in the past, but I've just restored the pre, and thought I'd try dropbear via preware Oct 24 00:06:53 It is installed, but I haven't added any superusers and connecting one port 22 gives me "Permission denied (publickey)" Oct 24 00:06:58 freakout: just the doctor, world ready runs fine on a Sprint device, even activates "out of the box" Oct 24 00:07:40 destinal: for any reason, or just for the experimental factor? Oct 24 00:07:45 freakout: experimental mainly, I had to use something to test my doctor from usb boot (ie bare metal) technique Oct 24 00:07:58 rwhitby: is there a config file that controls what is run in the /etc/event.d? or is everything run? Oct 24 00:10:13 destinal: ah. so you're planning on trying something that might totally screw your bootie? Oct 24 00:10:24 hahaah Oct 24 00:10:34 freakout: not planning on, but no one expects the spanish inquisition. Oct 24 00:10:37 :) Oct 24 00:11:17 heh Oct 24 00:11:26 I feel better just knowing I *can*. although now, it's tempting to try swapping out my 8 gig flash for a similar 16 gig chip Oct 24 00:11:38 destinal: someone at PreCentral is trying that Oct 24 00:11:53 freakout: well, they'll want my technique, then :) Oct 24 00:12:37 I'm more than willing to let someone else take the risk first if they're already planning on it :) Oct 24 00:12:44 destinal: here it is http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/208950-replacing-8gb-samsung-nand-16gb-nand.html Oct 24 00:13:54 ugh BGA Oct 24 00:14:17 ok, I'm *not* upgrading mine :) Oct 24 00:14:20 lol Oct 24 00:14:27 yeah, the guy has a proper rig Oct 24 00:14:45 Still, could be a lucrative business for him if he perfects the technique Oct 24 00:15:33 he should really just dump NAND over USB Oct 24 00:16:22 but honestly I don't think I'd bother Oct 24 00:16:40 Just swap the chip and boot over USB and re-doctor Oct 24 00:16:59 Berk: the statements in the control files specify the order of upstart scripts Oct 24 00:17:41 corq: preware dropbear requires root and ssh keys, no passwords. Oct 24 00:17:53 corq: don't know if it matters... but the optiware script (not preware) installes dropbear on port 222... also make sure your phone is awake... mine keeps sleeping Oct 24 00:18:01 Templarian: ping Oct 24 00:18:17 doh Oct 24 00:18:18 ok this one answers on 22 but wants that key Oct 24 00:18:25 * freakout is going power-supply shopping. Oct 24 00:18:33 corq: see the homepage link in the package description for details Oct 24 00:19:12 ah okay, I was trying to do stuff from the wiki to get the preware version to work and they're not the same deal. Got it. :) Oct 24 00:20:37 * rwhitby bbl Oct 24 00:20:45 optware script I used came from here:http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Oct 24 00:20:48 thx guys Oct 24 00:23:36 rwhitby: so where is the control file that calls dropbear to start? Oct 24 00:23:53 think he just went /away Oct 24 00:24:17 oh... Oct 24 00:28:24 so, there is multiple maintainers in packages? Oct 24 00:28:54 yea Oct 24 00:29:28 i think installer was taken down Oct 24 00:29:31 i don't see it anymore Oct 24 00:29:40 PreGame: it was Oct 24 00:29:40 it was Oct 24 00:29:45 he posted it in his thread Oct 24 00:29:55 rwhitby- ok, well the doctor is finished, now how on earth do I restore my palm profile haha? Oct 24 00:30:05 honestly i think he is just trying to take others work and claim fame for it Oct 24 00:30:20 * AnOutsider concurs Oct 24 00:30:22 he never even looked over the source code and made promises on changes he would make Oct 24 00:32:01 well he is definitely not going to speed it up Oct 24 00:32:03 rwhitby- nevermind found it Oct 24 00:32:10 unless he is going to release a new package manager that does it somehow Oct 24 00:32:20 or store the package info in a database Oct 24 00:32:30 but i feel both are outside his range Oct 24 00:32:42 when he is asking rwhitby how we set the background color in preware... Oct 24 00:35:50 i'm really interested in making some sort of application launcher for java apps and c/c++ apps Oct 24 00:35:55 this javascript crap sucks Oct 24 00:36:25 plugin? Oct 24 00:36:54 something Oct 24 00:37:05 i am wanting to get j2me apps to run on the pre Oct 24 00:37:07 obviously you would want it in a card Oct 24 00:37:38 i guess i should say more like an emulator Oct 24 00:37:40 not launcher Oct 24 00:40:28 im thinking you're going to want to look at using a plugin Oct 24 00:40:44 like classic, terminal plugin, etc Oct 24 00:41:02 :) Oct 24 00:41:14 but i don't know too much about them Oct 24 00:41:20 so i could totally be wrong Oct 24 00:42:28 you could always check out what ameng has been doing with the dfb plugin Oct 24 00:45:48 yo Oct 24 00:45:56 what happened this week in pre land Oct 24 00:46:18 has wirc been released? Oct 24 00:46:56 still no service :,( Oct 24 00:49:25 any other cool apps? Oct 24 00:49:34 installer Oct 24 00:49:49 lol Oct 24 00:50:56 he said "cool" apps Oct 24 00:51:01 not "copy" apps Oct 24 00:51:06 lol Oct 24 00:51:14 lol ya Oct 24 01:00:30 does anyone know why woqi wont recognize my pre after performing the meta-doctor? Oct 24 01:03:47 Did you make sure dev more was enabled? Other than that, not a clue. Oct 24 01:04:22 yeah, i thought that metadoctor was supposed to enable it automatically, but i checked anyway and it was Oct 24 01:15:17 rwhitby- rod, are you still around? Oct 24 01:15:29 maybe anyone can help me here... Oct 24 01:15:57 when i open devmode with upupdown...., right now the switch says "ON" and is blue Oct 24 01:16:30 but the text below it says "turn devmode on to turn on dev services on the device" Oct 24 01:17:03 now, I just turned it off and back on a minute ago, and when i turned it off the text said something like "your device is in devmode, you can use...etc..." Oct 24 01:17:43 something sounds screwed up with this, but WOQI will not recognize my phone with the switch in either position Oct 24 01:18:54 Try connecting with novaterm. Oct 24 01:19:13 If you can't get a root terminal, then you know the issue has nothing to do with WOSQI Oct 24 01:19:39 If you can get one, then it's either a problem with WOSQI, or a problem with your metadr image. Oct 24 01:21:21 do you think that http://www.openprotium.org/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=67 would suffice on webos to install and run webmin? Oct 24 01:22:24 ok, novaterm will not connect either. I just noticed that nothing is showing up in my safely remove hardware except palm novacom, and when i unplug the phone that stays in there anyway Oct 24 01:23:11 jonaddis84: reboot the host pc - problem with novacom drivers Oct 24 01:23:44 Berk: /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear or /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.dropbear Oct 24 01:23:52 tharris- has just informed me i'm a bit of a dill and got something wrong. Oct 24 01:24:04 freakout: again? Oct 24 01:24:06 who here discovered the "install without confirmation" email hole? Oct 24 01:24:25 * freakout ignores rwhitby :p Oct 24 01:31:09 lol Oct 24 01:31:23 was just providing the facts Oct 24 01:32:20 * freakout is a journalist, he doesn't need no stinkin' facts ;) Oct 24 01:33:12 samk1: got your message - we're all good. Oct 24 01:33:52 rwhitby: Cool. Thanks. :) Oct 24 01:34:02 * freakout wants to know what the message was Oct 24 01:43:30 http://i35.tinypic.com/fjjd37.png ? Oct 24 01:44:21 btw: termplugin doesn't need a luna restart Oct 24 01:44:34 atleast, it just started working for me without restarting luna Oct 24 02:02:10 oil: it does when you upgrade the plugin .so Oct 24 02:02:18 (need a luna restart) Oct 24 02:02:26 * rwhitby bbl Oct 24 02:04:13 ah Oct 24 02:18:44 rwhitby ping Oct 24 02:29:19 was afk Oct 24 02:34:41 morning Oct 24 02:36:01 morning? Oct 24 02:36:03 where are you at? Oct 24 02:36:26 isn't morning the global "hello" for irc channels? Oct 24 02:37:22 idk Oct 24 02:37:42 its 10:37 here, but its just standard to say it Oct 24 02:37:46 (pm) Oct 24 02:37:58 i usually don't say anything until i have something to say, or i'm responding to someone pinging me Oct 24 02:38:09 Why does that do btw? Oct 24 02:38:16 like "oil: ping" Oct 24 02:38:25 gets attention? Oct 24 02:38:31 i have sounds disabled Oct 24 02:38:43 but in most clients saying someones name makes a noise to alert them someone wants to talk to them Oct 24 02:38:49 my client doesn't do anything Oct 24 02:38:50 I guess Trillian doesnt have that feature Oct 24 02:38:55 nope Oct 24 02:38:59 you sure? Oct 24 02:39:00 bummer Oct 24 02:39:02 Yep Oct 24 02:39:04 i seem to remember it making noise, and turning it off Oct 24 02:39:05 yeah Oct 24 02:39:09 though, i have all sounds turned off Oct 24 02:39:15 i kept getting annoying ims while trying to sleep Oct 24 02:39:16 Let me go grab the Trillian 4.1 Oct 24 02:39:24 well, im using 3.something or other Oct 24 02:39:31 blarg! Oct 24 02:39:40 You can turn sounds off but typing someones name doesn't make noise Oct 24 02:39:49 4.1 is great Oct 24 02:40:56 the theme i have on the old one fits Oct 24 02:41:00 and im scared of change Oct 24 02:41:17 the Astra skin is good Oct 24 02:41:26 i dont like fancy stuff Oct 24 02:41:31 Astra skin is too flash Oct 24 02:41:41 I like the basic skin of it though Oct 24 02:41:42 you can go back to cobalt Oct 24 02:42:00 http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/downloads/detail.php?item=318 is what im using Oct 24 02:42:05 Abyssul: Oct 24 02:42:09 but with some minor personal changes Oct 24 02:42:21 Oh god that is plain Oct 24 02:42:30 Abyssul: I need a new screenshot from you. ;) but without the theme installed. :D And maybe of the actual LOCK page? Oct 24 02:42:35 I like the flash Oct 24 02:42:38 ? Oct 24 02:42:38 I would shoot myself Oct 24 02:42:48 i dont like it when every app looks different Oct 24 02:42:51 i like consistancy Oct 24 02:42:58 Umm, thats too much work lol. Oct 24 02:42:58 and thats the closest to consistant i could get Oct 24 02:43:16 I like when upgrades redo the whole interface Oct 24 02:43:20 why isnt this channel on efnet Oct 24 02:43:27 why would I want the lock page? The patch affects the emergency dialer Oct 24 02:43:38 unless it is for the worse (ie Office 07) Oct 24 02:43:56 True that Eguy Oct 24 02:43:57 well, my changes to terminal are set to go Oct 24 02:44:02 I can't stand Office 07 Oct 24 02:44:02 theres #webos on efnet ;o Oct 24 02:44:11 once destanial is back and approves them Oct 24 02:44:16 http://i38.tinypic.com/rsc3uc.png Oct 24 02:44:30 that should cut down on the two things people ask about Oct 24 02:44:30 I can't stand docx, xlsx, pptx etc Oct 24 02:44:34 brb updating Astra Oct 24 02:44:42 Make us IT admins install the converter pack Oct 24 02:44:58 we set all the 07s in the office to default to notx Oct 24 02:45:09 oil, is there any way to disable the rounded edge imgs Oct 24 02:45:17 so it doesnt cut off the first line?;o Oct 24 02:45:19 I run 03 on my entire domain still Oct 24 02:45:23 i think there is a patch somewhere Oct 24 02:45:33 oh, we're not that fancy Oct 24 02:45:33 I wish astra worked better in Linux (Wine) Oct 24 02:45:52 droO: use webos quick install Oct 24 02:45:59 It is under tweaks Oct 24 02:46:27 i also turned off all the unnecessary debug logging in terminal Oct 24 02:46:34 is there a patch? ive never used webos quick install ;o Oct 24 02:46:43 there is a patch Oct 24 02:46:49 so tail -f /var/log/messages from within it won't flood it Oct 24 02:46:54 but quick install is so easy Oct 24 02:49:08 " The Symbian Foundation has opened the source code of Symbian's EKA2 kernel and is making it available under the Eclipse Public License" Anyone see that? Oct 24 02:49:52 hm, i dont see patch :[ Oct 24 02:49:58 What one? Oct 24 02:50:02 Abyssul: how do you like 4.1? Oct 24 02:50:10 Not much of a difference Oct 24 02:50:15 Just a few icon changes Oct 24 02:50:21 but other than that I dont see anything new Oct 24 02:50:27 Ima have to look at the change log I guess Oct 24 02:51:05 Do you have Win 7? Oct 24 02:51:11 Yep Oct 24 02:51:16 Im going to upgrade tomorrow too Oct 24 02:51:22 I just opened my upgrade box a hour ago Oct 24 02:51:26 Oh you aren't running it now Oct 24 02:51:30 No I am Oct 24 02:51:35 Im going to do a fresh install Oct 24 02:51:38 ah Oct 24 02:51:52 right click the icon in the taskbar Oct 24 02:51:53 Create a dual boot with linux and win 7 Oct 24 02:51:58 you will notice options there Oct 24 02:52:06 eguy-do u have any idea where that terminal patch would be? ;[ i cant find it Oct 24 02:52:23 its not a terminal patch Oct 24 02:52:32 its one that removes all the rounded corners everywhere Oct 24 02:52:38 oh Oct 24 02:52:39 personally, im not a fan of it Oct 24 02:52:45 fark ;[ i only want it in terminal Oct 24 02:52:53 thats part of the framework Oct 24 02:52:57 it can't be disabled per-app Oct 24 02:52:58 Thats not a big deal Eguy lol Oct 24 02:53:07 Was that not there before 4.1? Oct 24 02:53:12 oil, would it be possible to insert a blank line Oct 24 02:53:17 & have it start on 2nd line? Oct 24 02:53:17 ;o Oct 24 02:53:25 so it starts under the rounded edge? Oct 24 02:53:31 idk Oct 24 02:53:37 i dont know much about the plugin Oct 24 02:53:45 Nope it was not there Oct 24 02:54:03 Meh, I dont plan on using it lol Oct 24 02:54:08 I never do haha Oct 24 02:54:38 But you will see most programs with upgrades for win 7 will have those jump lists soon Oct 24 02:54:39 What Linux distro should I install? Oct 24 02:54:58 I know thats a broad question :p Oct 24 02:55:09 I use ubuntu out of simplicity Oct 24 02:55:25 But I have used various other distros Oct 24 02:55:25 Mmk Oct 24 02:56:00 I think 9.10 just came out Oct 24 02:56:05 Why are there like 10+ tip calc apps? Oct 24 02:56:11 You all see the new MAC commercial? About how you "have to lose all your stuff" if you upgrade to Win 7? Oct 24 02:56:13 lamo Oct 24 02:56:24 Fail... Oct 24 02:56:25 karmic is still in beta Oct 24 02:56:27 Yeah Oct 24 02:56:31 which is 9.10 Oct 24 02:56:39 Apple is becoming children Oct 24 02:56:52 I hope the Mac trend dies off soon Oct 24 02:56:55 Neither side is fair though Oct 24 02:57:04 it's really getting annoying Oct 24 02:57:05 Both have their false accusinations in advertising Oct 24 02:57:13 much less on the pc side Oct 24 02:57:15 They really are shitty hardware Oct 24 02:57:21 and even shittier software Oct 24 02:57:29 it's craptastic intel Oct 24 02:57:40 6 days left till 9.10 dBsooner Oct 24 02:57:49 yep Oct 24 02:57:52 I am on beta Oct 24 02:58:00 abyssul what do you want to do with linux? Oct 24 02:58:15 I have 9.04 installed Oct 24 02:58:23 Experiment and learn how it works Oct 24 02:58:39 my laptop doesn't like 9.04's kernel branch Oct 24 02:58:40 personally i recommend debian (ubuntu is based off it) Oct 24 02:58:58 Simplicity? Oct 24 02:59:00 though ubuntu makes a great new livecd Oct 24 02:59:16 knoppix is good for live cd's Oct 24 02:59:17 get the net install, very easy to use Oct 24 02:59:43 i have worked with knoppix more than i ever care to talk about in regards to making my own livecds..... Oct 24 02:59:55 go gentoo. ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 24 02:59:56 2009