**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 26 02:59:58 2009
Oct 26 05:05:11 <lingfish> rwhitby: thanks for that info earlier.
Oct 26 05:13:53 <rick_home> hi all from beautiful Santa Clara.
Oct 26 05:13:53 <rick_home> Rick is -very- sad
Oct 26 05:15:39 <oil> rick_santaclara?
Oct 26 05:15:48 <oil> why are you sad?
Oct 26 05:16:26 <rick_home> I left the power supply for my laptop at home.
Oct 26 05:16:35 <lingfish> heh, ouch
Oct 26 05:16:38 <oil> ohh
Oct 26 05:16:38 <rick_home> this is "bad"
Oct 26 05:17:01 <rick_home> I can have someone from the office overnight it to me,  but until tuesday morning, it's a lump.
Oct 26 05:17:12 <rick_home> I feel like such an idiot.
Oct 26 05:17:21 <oil> lol
Oct 26 05:17:33 <rick_home> Here I am in the heart of silicon valley, and I have -no idea- how to get a replacement dell laptop power supply.
Oct 26 05:18:00 <oil> im sure there is some electronics supply place that would have something that works
Oct 26 05:18:02 <PreGame> computer stores are a good start
Oct 26 05:18:04 <destrudo> rick_home: central computers
Oct 26 05:18:13 <rick_home> destrudo:   ?????
Oct 26 05:18:27 <destrudo> Where in the supposed heart are you?
Oct 26 05:19:52 <destrudo> They do same-day pickups from CBK supposing the driver is going to the newark store that day
Oct 26 05:20:06 <destrudo> That assumes they for some reason don't have a compatible universal
Oct 26 05:20:55 <rick_home> Santa Clara Hyatt -- in front of the convention center, down the street from "great american"
Oct 26 05:21:06 <destrudo> kay
Oct 26 05:21:38 <rick_home> ok,  googling central computers,  I see that they look likely.
Oct 26 05:21:45 <destrudo> head your way to the intersection of saratoga and steven's creek
Oct 26 05:22:02 <destrudo> yeah.
Oct 26 05:22:27 <destrudo> Stay AWAY from the generic brand (Stiger, central) stuff
Oct 26 05:22:36 <rick_home> the problem being that they open at 9,  and the conference STARTS at 9.
Oct 26 05:22:49 <destrudo> good point.
Oct 26 05:23:06 <rick_home> destrudo:   I need 12 volts dc  and I need it to work until Saterday.  Hell,  RADIO SHACK has a power adaptor I could use if I could find one.
Oct 26 05:23:11 <rick_home> but
Oct 26 05:23:13 <rick_home> .....
Oct 26 05:23:22 <destrudo> not with enough wattage most likely
Oct 26 05:23:34 <destrudo> I'm looking in my box of goodies sir
Oct 26 05:23:44 <rick_home> destrudo:   it could charge the battery while the computer was off, just fine.   :-/
Oct 26 05:24:22 <destrudo> maybe
Oct 26 05:24:34 <rick_home> but I will call them in the AM and see if they have somthing
Oct 26 05:24:39 <destrudo> I've got a 2 amp 12/5, no dell adapters :P
Oct 26 05:24:41 <rick_home> If they do, I'll skip lunch.
Oct 26 05:25:03 <destrudo> ask for 'steve' if he's there and you go to that store
Oct 26 05:26:08 <rick_home> my roommate just walked in with a borrowed power supply.
Oct 26 05:26:18 <rick_home> I'll charge overnight and return it.  and go see them at lunch.
Oct 26 05:26:23 <rick_home> :-)
Oct 26 05:26:41 <rick_home> thanks for the tip tho destrudo
Oct 26 05:26:54 <destrudo> lol
Oct 26 05:26:57 <rick_home> and it turns out, reading the label on this thing that it's 19 v  at 4 amps.  Ouch.
Oct 26 05:26:58 * oil waits for video of ricks talk
Oct 26 05:27:23 <rick_home> rick waits for Dion and Ben's talk tommorow.
Oct 26 05:27:34 <rick_home> Rick wonders if they will be good enough to pull this off.
Oct 26 05:27:48 <oil> is the whole thing going to be taped and put on the internets?
Oct 26 05:31:03 <rick_home> sprint says yes
Oct 26 05:31:16 <rick_home> the whole thing will be "video'ed" and put on the internets.
Oct 26 05:31:26 <rick_home> I sincerely doubt if "tape" will play any part in that.
Oct 26 05:31:39 <oil> taped as in, recorded to video in some form
Oct 26 05:31:45 <rick_home> hehehehehe
Oct 26 05:31:49 <rick_home> ok
Oct 26 05:31:51 <rick_home> me bed.
Oct 26 05:31:54 <oil> and typing "vodeo'ed" sounded weird in my head
Oct 26 05:32:03 <rick_home> thanks destrudo
Oct 26 05:32:08 <oil> i guess it would be "recorded"
Oct 26 06:25:47 <eberon> ello ello
Oct 26 06:25:54 <rwhitby> g'day
Oct 26 06:26:59 <eberon> does anyone know if the problem of deleting conversations in the messaging app was ever tackled?
Oct 26 06:27:33 <eberon> that is: the bug whereby after you delete a thread in listview, a new thread is not created when a subsequent message comes from that person?
Oct 26 07:22:18 <PrestonJames> i made a .patch, but now i want to make a .ipk that installs the .patch and also replaces an image on the pre. anyone know how to do this?
Oct 26 07:27:58 <dBsooner> You can use the webOS-Patches feed that uses AutoPatch technology. There are ways to use postinst_extra to replace images.
Oct 26 07:30:14 <PrestonJames> not to sould like a total noob, but i am. can you be a little more specific about what i need to do with my patch to set that up?
Oct 26 08:03:05 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ping
Oct 26 08:15:46 <eberon> is there a faster way to unload the cached/running copy of native app code than to reboot the whole Pre?
Oct 26 08:16:12 <eberon> I'm trying to do some patching, but the 2 minute wait to see my changes is tedious
Oct 26 08:23:17 <dBsooner> just restart luna
Oct 26 08:23:19 <dBsooner> not the phone
Oct 26 08:23:32 <eberon> kk. thanks
Oct 26 08:26:42 <dBsooner> get luna manager in Preware
Oct 26 08:26:44 <dBsooner> it helps. :D
Oct 26 08:26:48 <oil> srsly
Oct 26 08:45:34 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ping again.
Oct 26 09:24:14 <dBsooner> where is rwhitby? :(
Oct 26 09:33:38 <lingfish> Peh... perhaps he got a life :/
Oct 26 09:34:34 <oil> maybe his firewall is blocking your pings xD
Oct 26 09:34:51 <lingfish> lol... yeah, his layer 7 app fiyahwall
Oct 26 09:38:58 <dBsooner> nah, I'm done now.
Oct 26 09:39:12 <dBsooner> I just wanted him to fire off the build script faster than 15 mins.. I am tired and want sleep
Oct 26 09:39:20 <dBsooner> but I finally fixed everything.
Oct 26 09:45:10 <oil> what new patches
Oct 26 09:45:11 <oil> ?
Oct 26 12:03:46 <freakout-away> okay, now it's my turn. rwhitby: ping-pong sing-along
Oct 26 12:14:34 <Marajin> freakout: .... do I dare ask what it's your turn to do? :p
Oct 26 12:14:56 <freakout> Marajin: to shower rwhitby with love and affection
Oct 26 12:15:03 <freakout> .....and requests for tech support. xD
Oct 26 12:15:13 <Marajin> freakout: ewww, get a room ;)
Oct 26 12:17:51 <freakout> Marajin: i have one booked. i'm lying naked on the bed, waiting for rwhitby 's love
Oct 26 12:36:19 <Marajin> freakout: enjoy!
Oct 26 13:04:08 <lingfish> man... Rod must be loving all this attention :P
Oct 26 13:06:14 <lingfish> man... Rod must be loving all this attention :P
Oct 26 13:16:51 <lingfish> gah, sorry for the repeat... still learning this bizarre thing that is OSX
Oct 26 13:22:57 <Marajin> lingfish: it is a little bit "special" isn't it? ;)
Oct 26 13:25:58 <dBsooner> rwhitby ping
Oct 26 13:26:49 <lingfish> Marajin: hehehee... and there we go again
Oct 26 13:26:56 <lingfish> It's a Hot Rod Lovefest
Oct 26 13:27:33 <dBsooner> lingfish: Rod is one of the most important people in here. Of course he gets a lot of attention.
Oct 26 13:29:17 <dBsooner> but it's now midnight exactly in Adelaide, so I doubt he's still here.
Oct 26 13:42:44 <lingfish> dBsooner-work: Just kidding mate.
Oct 26 13:43:17 <lingfish> And I'm in Melbourne, so I know how late it is... bed is looking good right about now
Oct 26 14:20:25 <egaudet> good day
Oct 26 14:29:17 <dBsooner-work> lo egaudet
Oct 26 14:29:56 <egaudet> what's new
Oct 26 14:32:58 <PuffTheMagic_> la la la la la la
Oct 26 14:35:06 <egaudet> laaaaaaaaaaa
Oct 26 14:37:14 * Templarian thinks hmm tone deaf typist.
Oct 26 14:37:23 <Marajin> heh
Oct 26 14:37:29 <Marajin> lingfish: bed is for pansies!
Oct 26 14:37:34 <Marajin> lingfish: caffeine, that's the stuff of gods
Oct 26 14:47:35 <Marajin> huh.. does the music app block incoming calls? O.o
Oct 26 14:47:57 <Marajin> someone's been trying to phone me and going straight to answer machine despite the phone having good signal
Oct 26 14:48:47 <PuffTheMagic_> is the lock on
Oct 26 14:48:49 <PuffTheMagic_> ?
Oct 26 14:48:57 <Marajin> well the screen is off so probably
Oct 26 14:49:45 <Marajin> wtf.. it does too.. if the device is locked/suspended then it blocks incoming calls
Oct 26 14:49:48 <Marajin> that's whack
Oct 26 14:52:39 <PuffTheMagic_> no i mean...
Oct 26 14:52:44 <PuffTheMagic_> the lock that the top of the phone
Oct 26 14:52:47 <Marajin> no
Oct 26 14:52:59 <PuffTheMagic_> that silences your ringers and directs evertyhing to voicemail
Oct 26 14:53:06 <Marajin> but if the phone is suspended/screen locked then it auto blocks incoming calls while music is playing
Oct 26 14:55:04 <Marajin> what you say is also true but eh.. having it block just because I'm playing music is dumb
Oct 26 14:55:44 * oil has never had it block incoming calls
Oct 26 14:55:47 <oil> the music will turn off
Oct 26 14:55:51 <oil> and ill look at the phone to see wtf
Oct 26 14:55:53 <oil> and itl start ringing
Oct 26 14:56:07 <Marajin> oil: only true if the screen isn't locked
Oct 26 14:56:21 <Marajin> oil: it blocks if in vibrate (top switch) or playing media + screen locked
Oct 26 14:56:30 <oil> not for me
Oct 26 14:56:47 <oil> i always use it in my car hooked up to stereo
Oct 26 14:56:56 <Marajin> oil: are you sure it's screen-locking?
Oct 26 14:57:03 <oil> doesn't it always?
Oct 26 14:57:20 <oil> its not like i tap the screen every 30 seconds to keep it awake.........
Oct 26 14:57:23 <oil> im driving
Oct 26 14:57:45 <Marajin> oil: do you have it on charge ?
Oct 26 14:57:51 <oil> no
Oct 26 14:58:05 <Marajin> oil: can you possibly try dialing it while it's playing media + suspended just sat on the desk?
Oct 26 14:58:20 <oil> dialing?
Oct 26 14:58:22 <Marajin> oil: cause it definitely blocks incoming calls for me, I've tested multiple times using another phone
Oct 26 14:58:28 <Marajin> oil: as in try to phone yourself yeah
Oct 26 14:58:37 <oil> i dont have time
Oct 26 14:59:00 <oil> i had just enough time to tell you "works for me"
Oct 26 14:59:07 <Marajin> fair enough
Oct 26 14:59:13 <oil> :)
Oct 26 15:03:21 <Marajin> huh, weird as.. I wonder if there's a "patch for that!"
Oct 26 15:03:28 <Marajin> or if 1.2.x fixes it
Oct 26 15:05:21 <Marajin> PuffTheMagic_: you got time to test if it does it while not set to vibrate but just playing media + screenlocked/suspended?
Oct 26 15:06:22 <dBsooner-work> oil, nows your chance. xD destinal is here.
Oct 26 15:15:00 <destinal> dBsooner-work: yeah, mostly here.   :)   chance for what?
Oct 26 15:15:50 <destinal> oil: lol "taped" is so last century :P
Oct 26 15:16:15 <oil> http://i38.tinypic.com/rsc3uc.png
Oct 26 15:16:18 <oil> is what i added
Oct 26 15:16:33 <oil> and commented all the unnecessary logging
Oct 26 15:16:49 <destinal> oil: awesome
Oct 26 15:16:57 <oil> just wanted to show you and what not before committing it
Oct 26 15:17:11 <dBsooner-work> :D
Oct 26 15:17:48 <destinal> yeah, looks good.  and that termplugin detection thing is something it's needed for a while that I never got around to.
Oct 26 15:18:33 * destinal has now been prodded into paying attention to terminal again.  blame oil.  :)
Oct 26 15:18:33 <oil> ok
Oct 26 15:18:48 <oil> well, ill push it when i get time
Oct 26 15:18:57 <oil> right now, i really gotta start my way to work
Oct 26 15:20:07 <destinal> oil: cool.
Oct 26 15:27:39 <eberon_> does anyone know where I can find information on the MessagingMojoService?
Oct 26 15:34:15 <bhern> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1671
Oct 26 15:38:54 <eberon_> yeah. sucks. I was hoping for some information on some of the undocumented methods.
Oct 26 16:13:13 <A2NY> last seen destinal
Oct 26 16:14:04 <A2NY> seen destinal
Oct 26 16:16:13 <xalbo> destinal last said "oil: cool" almost an hour ago (10:20 my time).
Oct 26 16:16:21 <xalbo> (I guess there's no bot around)
Oct 26 16:17:53 <destinal> ~seen destinal
Oct 26 16:17:54 <infobot> destinal is currently on #webos-internals (1h 13m 40s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen destinal'.
Oct 26 16:19:19 <destinal> I really want to try recovering a pre with a totally blank flash disk (basically just writing a partition table and partition 1, and usb-booting bootie should be enough to do it)  but I don't have any spares and I don't want to risk anything going wrong with my primary mobile device
Oct 26 16:19:54 <destinal> A2NY: how's it going?
Oct 26 16:20:01 <A2NY> ah good sir
Oct 26 16:20:10 <A2NY> I hear you are terminal guy
Oct 26 16:20:37 <destinal> A2NY: one of them, yeah
Oct 26 16:21:21 <A2NY> I modified some formatting, more or less "padded" the app so the screen corners don't interfere with it
Oct 26 16:21:46 <destinal> A2NY: in the mojo side or the plugin code?
Oct 26 16:22:27 <A2NY> the stylesheet, html, & js
Oct 26 16:22:46 <destinal> Right, Terminal app rather than termplugin.  cool.
Oct 26 16:23:25 <A2NY> lol not hard, but for those interested, should I put the diffs somewhere, or even care ?
Oct 26 16:23:41 <destinal> A2NY: do you have commit access to the git repository?
Oct 26 16:23:50 <A2NY> yes
Oct 26 16:24:39 <destinal> I tend to favor the philosophy of:  if you've tested it, and it works, doesn't break anything, etc, go ahead and commit
Oct 26 16:24:59 <destinal> if there are any problems we can always back it out but rarely have we needed to even with that approach
Oct 26 16:24:59 <A2NY> my other question (I haven't looked yet) but it got me thinking, can the gesture area be used on press, instead of lock on ?
Oct 26 16:25:29 <destinal> The gesture area works just like a "key" right now
Oct 26 16:26:15 <destinal> so exactly how shift and orange and sym work.  hold it and press something, or click and it toggles, or double click and it locks
Oct 26 16:27:48 <A2NY> yeah that's what I am getting at, is it possible to change they key to stop the toggle, so when you are "press down" it is toggled on and "on release" off ?
Oct 26 16:28:42 <destinal> A2NY: I suppose setting up a preferences section for that would make sense, I think some people would want to keep the current behavior
Oct 26 16:29:53 <destinal> the same could be set to enable or disable key lock on any of the keys
Oct 26 16:30:04 <A2NY> well yes, its not at all bad, just a "preference" the idea only came while trying to navigate in VI and forgetting gesture was locked while trying to edit once I moved there
Oct 26 16:30:23 <destinal> there is a visual feedback on the screen of lock status too
Oct 26 16:31:25 <destinal> basically luna really does present gesture down as a key event, so it's just like shift, control, etc.  so it made sense to use the same logic at the time
Oct 26 16:31:35 <xalbo> I've had a similar problem, but I do like the gesture lock.  What might be useful to me, though, is if hitting a key that doesn't have a meaning in gesture lock caused a beep or something.
Oct 26 16:31:56 <destinal> s/control/sym/
Oct 26 16:31:57 <infobot> destinal meant: basically luna really does present gesture down as a key event, so it's just like shift, sym, etc.  so it made sense to use the same logic at the time
Oct 26 16:32:02 <xalbo> Makes it a little easier to remember that you're in the wrong mode.  Although as vi users, we should be pretty used to being in different modes anyway.
Oct 26 16:33:13 <A2NY> are ctrl-z & c setup, is this in the wiki ?
Oct 26 16:33:28 <destinal> A2NY: sym is control
Oct 26 16:33:42 <destinal> A2NY: so control-anything  is sym-anything
Oct 26 16:34:11 <A2NY> oh thanks, I was trying orange =\
Oct 26 16:35:07 <destinal> that's also why sym-I is tab, because tab is actually represented as "control-I" like carriage return is "control-M"
Oct 26 16:35:40 <destinal> in the tty itself
Oct 26 16:36:47 <A2NY> thanks for explaining that
Oct 26 16:37:32 <destinal> xalbo: yeah I think a configurable alert on striking an unbound key is a good feature to add.  visual and audible options would be good (some want to be quiet sometimes)
Oct 26 16:38:32 <xalbo> Point.  Definitely don't want it too loud or annoying, but a subtle beep (or screen flash or short vibrate) would probably be helpful.
Oct 26 16:38:59 <xalbo> (Hehe, sym-H is backspace, too bad sym-G isn't BEL)
Oct 26 16:39:12 <destinal> A2NY: oil just added keystroke help  as well (he'll be pushing it later)
Oct 26 16:39:30 <destinal> xalbo: it should be BEL, it may be that we're just not rendering BEL properly
Oct 26 16:39:41 <destinal> A2NY: http://i38.tinypic.com/rsc3uc.png
Oct 26 16:40:24 <destinal> xalbo: all of the binding on that is in stty of course, we just provide the control key to the tty
Oct 26 16:41:06 <xalbo> Oooh.  So the sym-I was automatic, not a really clever mnemonic?  I don't know if that makes me appreciate it more, or less, but I still approve.
Oct 26 16:41:49 <destinal> xalbo: yeah, automagic. we figured if we're going to use meta+some key and there already is one naturally, why not use it?  :)
Oct 26 16:42:00 <destinal> s/use it/document it/
Oct 26 16:42:01 <infobot> destinal meant: xalbo: yeah, automagic. we figured if we're going to use meta+some key and there already is one naturally, why not document it?  :)
Oct 26 16:42:56 <destinal> since we knew we didn't have a whole key available to dedicate to tab
Oct 26 16:44:01 <A2NY> touchpanel-measure froze the term app =\
Oct 26 16:46:37 <destinal> weird.  running 1.1.3-world-release on a sprint pre, touchpanel-measure is not at all happy
Oct 26 16:47:25 <destinal> s/release/ready/
Oct 26 16:47:26 <infobot> destinal meant: weird.  running 1.1.3-world-ready on a sprint pre, touchpanel-measure is not at all happy
Oct 26 16:47:49 <destinal> DATA ERROR!
Oct 26 16:47:50 <destinal> ...stopping touchpad data collection.
Oct 26 16:48:04 <A2NY> weird
Oct 26 16:48:09 <A2NY> different hardware ?
Oct 26 16:48:27 <destinal> nah, but the software I'm running may be intended for slightly different hardware
Oct 26 16:48:59 <destinal> world-ready was intended for O2 UK, O2 germany, etc
Oct 26 16:49:13 <destinal> basically the GSM international devices
Oct 26 16:49:41 <A2NY> ok, so webos doc + sprint carrier ?
Oct 26 16:50:13 <destinal> yeah, I just grabbed their doctor and doctored my sprint pre, works fine with CDMA
Oct 26 16:50:27 <A2NY> oh nice
Oct 26 16:50:39 <destinal> more to try it than anything else.
Oct 26 16:50:40 <A2NY> will update still function ?
Oct 26 16:51:26 <A2NY> are there any security issues with... "I Lost My Phone"
Oct 26 16:51:39 <destinal> good question.  probably update will function
Oct 26 16:51:57 <A2NY> "The erase device command is sent via SMS"
Oct 26 16:52:11 <destinal> I don't think it actually is
Oct 26 16:52:56 <destinal> I think it happens over HTTPS, but I have to confirm
Oct 26 16:53:44 <destinal> notably, erase isn't a full wipe
Oct 26 16:54:36 <destinal> it clears out the standard database location for mojo apps and the palm databases but with homebrew a lot of stuff may survive, so be aware
Oct 26 16:55:20 <A2NY> yeah, I was thinking more of long the lines of signing out of your profile
Oct 26 16:55:51 <A2NY> then it would loop
Oct 26 16:56:07 <A2NY> and the only way to fix is edit the db or doctor phone
Oct 26 16:56:49 <destinal> not sure I follow
Oct 26 16:57:13 <A2NY> http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=webossoftware&message.id=9506
Oct 26 17:00:01 <destinal> ah, interesting.  I'd never seen that case before
Oct 26 17:00:46 <destinal> It's pretty clear that with a proper reset, restarting it again would run first use and you'd be able to sign into your palm profile
Oct 26 17:00:57 <destinal> odd that it got stuck halfway for those folks
Oct 26 17:01:23 <A2NY> it happened to me is why I know about it
Oct 26 17:01:26 <A2NY> the weird part...
Oct 26 17:01:51 <A2NY> regardless of what option you chose, all it did was reboot the device, even if you prompted to erase
Oct 26 17:02:41 <destinal> how did it start, did you request an erase, or was it on upgrade?
Oct 26 17:03:02 <A2NY> I got this error the night after the update to 1.2.1
Oct 26 17:03:06 <destinal> ah,
Oct 26 17:03:32 <destinal> I wonder if the people that had this problem already had a database in an invalid state but some change in the latest code acted on it
Oct 26 17:03:56 <destinal> and the older code was more loose with the same condition
Oct 26 17:05:18 <destinal> total guess but it matches the circumstances better than the idea of some random change in a bunch of peoples firstuse databases
Oct 26 17:07:12 <A2NY> is there mojo code to read log messages ?
Oct 26 17:18:17 <A2NY> awesome
Oct 26 17:18:51 <A2NY> if you do a rback gesture in the term app it works as a "hold"
Oct 26 17:19:00 <A2NY> and upon release turns to normal state
Oct 26 17:26:51 <Marajin> how do you do > and < in the terminal app?
Oct 26 17:27:33 <gkatsev> Marajin: shift-, and shift-. see http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal
Oct 26 17:28:48 <Marajin> cool :)
Oct 26 17:30:27 <A2NY> what about {} ;)
Oct 26 17:31:38 <gkatsev> not supported. neither is alt/meta
Oct 26 17:32:03 * Marajin finally gets around to adding the 1.1.3 feed
Oct 26 17:32:32 <JenP> hi all
Oct 26 17:32:36 <JenP> rboatright wanted me to tell you: mitch allen and Ben G gave formal praise for webos internals
Oct 26 17:37:32 <Marajin> woo
Oct 26 17:37:48 <Marajin> JenP: I'm sure some people will be happy to hear that
Oct 26 17:37:56 <JenP> i'm sure
Oct 26 17:38:36 <Marajin> yay I broke preware
Oct 26 17:39:23 <gkatsev> Marajin: lol, what?
Oct 26 17:39:43 <Marajin> gkatsev: apparently I'm either downloading or running an update! (I'm not)
Oct 26 17:39:55 <Marajin> gkatsev: time to do that age old favourite... dance! reboot dance!
Oct 26 17:40:13 <gkatsev> lol
Oct 26 17:40:34 * Marajin ponders putting the kettle on while waiting.
Oct 26 17:41:18 <gkatsev> tea++
Oct 26 17:41:46 <Marajin> gkatsev: the british empire was built on cups of tea!
Oct 26 17:41:50 <Marajin> we all had very soggy feet.
Oct 26 18:46:45 * Mousey huggles you all
Oct 26 19:25:24 <mickeyl> anyone with terminal access to ttyACM0 and a CDMA device?
Oct 26 19:27:56 <oil> destinal: pushed that
Oct 26 19:40:05 <xalbo> Is there a standard place to make patch requests?
Oct 26 19:41:04 <oil> the webos-patches forum i believe
Oct 26 19:41:59 <xalbo> Thanks, I'll check it out.
Oct 26 19:42:08 <Abyssul> hey
Oct 26 19:42:57 <Abyssul> morning
Oct 26 19:43:02 <Abyssul> oops lol
Oct 26 19:47:06 <gkatsev> wow, fail
Oct 26 19:48:11 <oil> fail?
Oct 26 19:53:49 <Marajin> Abyssul: hungover much? :p
Oct 26 19:54:47 <A2NY> grand marnier, amerreto, raz vodka + coke
Oct 26 19:54:55 <Abyssul> na
Oct 26 19:55:08 <Marajin> A2NY: sounds like a guaranteed hangover in a single glass ;)
Oct 26 19:55:18 <A2NY> its like eating chocolate covered raspberries :D
Oct 26 19:55:35 <Marajin> A2NY: except more alcoholic?
Oct 26 19:56:06 <A2NY> exactly
Oct 26 19:56:23 <A2NY> and expensive =\
Oct 26 19:58:41 <Marajin> A2NY: what's money in the face of getting blind drunk? :p
Oct 26 20:01:43 <A2NY> or seeing your friends sisters boobs after a nice breast augmentation :D
Oct 26 20:02:02 <oil> lol
Oct 26 20:04:58 <Marajin> I prefer smaller breasts so.. :p
Oct 26 20:05:27 <gkatsev> isnt this more of a #webos-watercooler discussion?
Oct 26 20:05:46 <Marajin> gkatsev: haha :)
Oct 26 20:05:55 <Marajin> gkatsev: true, breasts are more externals than internals ;)
Oct 26 20:06:02 <gkatsev> lol
Oct 26 20:06:04 <oil> i think talking about boobs is acceptable everywhere
Oct 26 20:06:55 <gkatsev> haha, i guess
Oct 26 20:07:06 <A2NY> #webos-boobs
Oct 26 20:07:12 * oil joins
Oct 26 20:07:15 <Marajin> mmm bewbs
Oct 26 20:07:40 <A2NY> lol I :q!
Oct 26 20:07:53 <A2NY> anyways
Oct 26 20:07:56 <Marajin> heh, like half the channel just jumped in and out there :p
Oct 26 20:08:02 <gkatsev> lol
Oct 26 20:08:12 <A2NY> does anyone know about the "I lost my phone" feature
Oct 26 20:08:22 <A2NY> palm says it sends a SMS
Oct 26 20:08:37 <A2NY> which is kind of scary if that is the case
Oct 26 20:08:58 <gkatsev> any one tried the whereismypre app?
Oct 26 20:09:28 <A2NY> I have iknowwheremypreis app
Oct 26 20:09:37 <Abyssul> I signed up for that?^
Oct 26 20:13:09 <A2NY> anyone get aircrack-ng running on a pre ?
Oct 26 20:14:18 <gkatsev> does the app work?
Oct 26 20:14:31 <Abyssul> Yep
Oct 26 20:14:38 <Abyssul> I signed up for it and it works well
Oct 26 20:14:44 <Abyssul> cheap too
Oct 26 20:15:09 <gkatsev> isnt it free? or you the online service is paid?
Oct 26 20:15:54 <Abyssul> The service is paid
Oct 26 20:16:02 <gkatsev> ah, ok
Oct 26 20:16:03 <Abyssul> the app is free but you have to pay for it to upload
Oct 26 20:16:14 <gkatsev> how much is the service?
Oct 26 20:16:26 <Abyssul> a buck a month
Oct 26 20:16:29 <Abyssul> or two
Oct 26 20:16:33 <Abyssul> I think its two
Oct 26 20:16:49 <gkatsev> thats pretty good
Oct 26 20:16:58 <Abyssul> Yep
Oct 26 20:17:49 <Stugots> oil: ping
Oct 26 20:19:08 <gkatsev> yeah, its $1 or $2 a month.
Oct 26 20:19:44 <gkatsev> thats cool
Oct 26 20:19:48 * gkatsev considers getting it
Oct 26 20:36:14 <FreeTim3> I've been using it for a few weeks... it's pretty good.  Helped me when I lost my Pre (turned out, I left it at home.)
Oct 26 20:36:34 <gkatsev> haha
Oct 26 20:37:35 <loot-> ( 13:13       A2NY ) anyone get aircrack-ng running on a pre ?
Oct 26 20:37:42 <loot-> AZNY: its pointless
Oct 26 20:37:51 <loot-> the pre's wifi nic doesnt have monitor mode
Oct 26 20:38:04 <gkatsev> whats the aircrack-ng patch?
Oct 26 20:38:16 <loot-> aircrack-ng is a wifi hacking utility
Oct 26 20:40:34 <mickeyl> do we have master mode at leastß
Oct 26 20:40:34 <mickeyl> ?
Oct 26 20:42:13 <loot-> mickeyl: dont think so
Oct 26 20:42:18 <loot-> well
Oct 26 20:42:20 <loot-> after the next patch
Oct 26 20:42:31 <loot-> its reported that ad hoc will be entirely disabled
Oct 26 20:42:40 <loot-> so im asuming if its not already disabled it will be
Oct 26 20:42:43 <mickeyl> ah, that's sad. k
Oct 26 20:42:56 <loot-> you can still use a usb dongle to accomplish this stuff though
Oct 26 20:43:03 <FreeTim3> gkatsev: No really, at least I wasn't hunting all over my workplace and several friends houses, because WhereIsMyPre told me it was home
Oct 26 20:43:15 <FreeTim3> I just wish it had a 1-sec option instead of 1,5,10 and 1 -hour options
Oct 26 20:44:37 <gkatsev> FreeTim3: yeah, but do you really want to be pinging every 1 sec? not only is it a strain on the server (most likely) but it will probably KILL your battery life
Oct 26 20:49:30 <FreeTim3> gkatsev: When I'm racing on Saturdays, then yes I do during that ... one hour is fine the rest of the time for me.
Oct 26 20:51:06 <FreeTim3> What I'm doing now, is using FitTrack which logs each 5 seconds, but only uploads when commanded. This does the trick for me, i can email myself 20,000 data points and save it as a gpx file
Oct 26 20:51:16 <lane0> Can anyone tell me the directory of the quicklaunch icon?
Oct 26 20:53:10 <FreeTim3> Which is more of a manual process (email and creating gpx file) but it does the trick.
Oct 26 21:29:01 <FreeTim3> ...and since WhereIsMyPre doesn't have any option to log GPS location that quickly I'll probably not sign up for the paid service after trial.
Oct 26 21:29:43 <FreeTim3> Which is OK, as WhereIsMyPre wasn't likely designed for hiking or racing. :)
Oct 26 21:30:41 <FreeTim3> by the way FitTrack compatible map site is http://maps.innersource.com/ which can accept the GPX files it outputs
Oct 26 21:31:12 <FreeTim3> I can't figure out how to make the output email file from it,  work on google maps yet
Oct 26 21:32:55 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: ping
Oct 26 21:33:31 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, pong
Oct 26 21:34:04 <A2NY> ~seen dBsooner-work
Oct 26 21:34:09 <infobot> dbsooner-work is currently on #webos-internals (9m 1s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1m 14s, last said: 'egaudet: ping'.
Oct 26 21:34:48 <dBsooner-work> lol
Oct 26 21:34:51 <dBsooner-work> im here
Oct 26 21:36:14 <Marajin> dBsooner-work: Do not try to ~seen the dBsooner, merely realise there is no dBsooner!
Oct 26 21:36:45 <dBsooner-work> aww
Oct 26 21:36:47 <dBsooner-work> dBsooner is gone?
Oct 26 21:36:58 <dBsooner-work> where did he go?
Oct 26 21:37:18 <A2NY> go home, he will be there
Oct 26 21:38:09 <dBsooner-work> ~dBsooner
Oct 26 21:38:13 <dBsooner-work> ~seen dBsooner
Oct 26 21:38:14 <infobot> dbsooner <i=18f848ef@gateway/web/freenode/x-zhrnrmtlzwfqueyc> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 8h 8m 57s ago, saying: 'but it's now midnight exactly in Adelaide, so I doubt he's still here.'.
Oct 26 21:38:25 <dBsooner-work> oh, he was never on today
Oct 26 21:39:22 <A2NY> ~tell dBsooner-work about dBsooner
Oct 26 21:41:15 <dBsooner-work> ~botsnack
Oct 26 21:41:15 <infobot> aw, gee, dBsooner-work
Oct 26 21:41:21 <dBsooner-work> :)
Oct 26 21:44:03 <Flashpass> is anyone here at the sprint dev conference?
Oct 26 21:44:43 <Marajin> Flashpass: I'm gonna guess no?
Oct 26 21:45:21 <dBsooner-work> Yes.. rick is
Oct 26 21:45:24 <dBsooner-work> but he'ss not here
Oct 26 21:45:27 <dBsooner-work> Rick Boatright.
Oct 26 21:45:39 <Marajin> heh
Oct 26 21:45:39 <dBsooner-work> Rick_home, Rick_work, rboatright
Oct 26 21:45:52 <dBsooner-work> ~seen rwhitby
Oct 26 21:45:54 <infobot> rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (17h 20m 13s) #nslu2-linux (17h 20m 13s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 15h 19m 59s, last said: 'g'day'.
Oct 26 21:46:11 <dBsooner-work> wow.. he's gone.
Oct 26 21:46:20 <dBsooner-work> 15 hours with not a peel.
Oct 26 21:46:22 <lingfish> hi :)
Oct 26 21:46:25 <dBsooner-work> s/peel/peep/
Oct 26 21:46:25 <Marajin> It's worse than that, he's dead jim! dead jim! dead!
Oct 26 21:46:25 <infobot> dBsooner-work meant: 15 hours with not a peep.
Oct 26 21:46:39 <Marajin> quick, it's lingfish, hide!
Oct 26 21:46:48 * rwhitby is on his way to work
Oct 26 21:47:00 <lingfish> heh
Oct 26 21:47:02 <A2NY> lol
Oct 26 21:47:13 * A2NY thinks rwhitby is a stalker of himself
Oct 26 21:47:32 <lingfish> rwhitby: What?!?  You have a normal life?!??!?!
Oct 26 21:47:39 * rwhitby bbl
Oct 26 21:50:19 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: I sent you a very important email.
Oct 26 21:50:31 <dBsooner-work> As well as a forward of a very important PM.
Oct 26 21:52:09 <dBsooner-work> btw, the reason the title of my very important email says "FW:" is because I forgot to take that part out of the subject when I sent it to you. I wrote the entire email on my work laptop in Outlook so I could get better formatting.
Oct 26 21:53:22 <gkatsev> i write my emails in vim!
Oct 26 21:53:40 <egaudet> I cook breakfast in vim
Oct 26 21:53:54 <gkatsev> um... what?
Oct 26 21:54:29 <egaudet> ;)
Oct 26 21:55:03 <egaudet> I don't know
Oct 26 21:55:39 <egaudet> what's new in the world of webos that I missed over the weekend
Oct 26 21:56:13 <A2NY> ipkg-opt install moo
Oct 26 21:57:11 <egaudet> moo
Oct 26 22:14:14 <destinal> A2NY: it's not pointless to get aircrack working on a pre.  Not once we get USB-OTG working properly
Oct 26 22:14:52 <destinal> then you' just have to have a dongle that has monitor mode.
Oct 26 22:15:16 <tlp> OTG?
Oct 26 22:16:15 <destinal> tlp: on the go
Oct 26 22:16:43 <destinal> tlp: basically the chipset on the Pre can do device mode or host mode and can dynamically switch
Oct 26 22:16:47 <tlp> ah
Oct 26 22:17:25 <destinal> so we'll be able to plug about anything you can plug into a computer as long as it doesn't draw much current (or if it does that we use a powered hub)
Oct 26 22:18:01 <destinal> I've gotten it to power a hub or flash disk but not to enumerate yet
Oct 26 22:18:10 <A2NY> ok
Oct 26 22:18:16 <Stugots> destinal: powered hub and battery pack!
Oct 26 22:18:25 <A2NY> the depends for aircrack won't install
Oct 26 22:18:29 <destinal> Stugots: yeah but you don't need it for low power devices
Oct 26 22:18:36 <A2NY> =\
Oct 26 22:18:49 <A2NY> tried it earlier, with no avail
Oct 26 22:19:04 <Stugots> destinal: im PuffTheMagic fty
Oct 26 22:19:12 <destinal> A2NY: in debian or optware?
Oct 26 22:19:14 <Stugots> i go though nicks often
Oct 26 22:19:17 <A2NY> optware
Oct 26 22:19:24 <A2NY> its not in the list
Oct 26 22:19:36 <Stugots> A2NY: yes its not
Oct 26 22:19:40 <Stugots> u have to add it manyally
Oct 26 22:19:42 <destinal> Stugots: you ran out of the magic to puff?  :P
Oct 26 22:19:47 <A2NY> ipkg install
Oct 26 22:19:50 <A2NY> missing 4 depends
Oct 26 22:20:28 <Stugots> destinal: yeah something like that, should be starting a PhD program in January so i can be doing that too much any more
Oct 26 22:21:12 <destinal> Stugots: Wow, PhD program, nice.
Oct 26 22:21:56 <Stugots> yeah i just finnished my masters in august and since the job market sucks so bad i figure i should just keep with my edu
Oct 26 22:22:16 <destinal> yeah, probably wise.
Oct 26 22:30:06 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: it's all cool - will respond later
Oct 26 22:35:51 <Mousey> i wish /me worked in SMS's
Oct 26 22:35:55 <Mousey> arbitrary, i know.
Oct 26 22:38:36 <egaudet> all patches start with "i wish..."
Oct 26 22:41:37 <Mousey> lol
Oct 26 22:42:14 <Mousey> i wish my Pre made eggs benedict every morning
Oct 26 22:44:40 <Mousey> is there an interrobang character on the Pre i can type?
Oct 26 22:44:43 <Mousey> or get to display?
Oct 26 22:50:21 <AlisonW> optware isntall failure: "Downloading the latest ipkg-opt package from the Optware package feed:
Oct 26 22:51:31 <A2NY> ipkg-opt update ?
Oct 26 22:51:59 <AlisonW> initial install per instructions on wiki
Oct 26 22:52:11 <AlisonW> I'm wondering whether because UK edition of base WebOS?
Oct 26 22:53:33 <chrisa> UK isn't on 1.2.x, are you using the appropriate version?
Oct 26 22:54:28 <A2NY> ok so what happened?
Oct 26 22:54:39 <A2NY> did it halt ?
Oct 26 22:54:40 <AlisonW> I'm going by what is on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps ... no version option stated (though agree seems liekly cause)
Oct 26 22:55:06 <AlisonW> bounced out with 'failed to update' messages and to drop it onto IRC
Oct 26 22:56:14 <rwhitby> AlisonW: are you using GSM or wifi?
Oct 26 22:56:23 <AlisonW> GSM
Oct 26 22:56:30 <AlisonW> can easily switch to wifi though
Oct 26 22:56:34 <rwhitby> We are getting reports of downloads not working on GSM for some network reason
Oct 26 22:56:36 <rwhitby> try wifi
Oct 26 22:56:41 <AlisonW> ah ... willco
Oct 26 22:59:15 <AlisonW> yup ... seems to be working now.
Oct 26 23:00:06 <AlisonW> yay ... running fine ...
Oct 26 23:01:49 <AlisonW> wiki edited accordingly!
Oct 26 23:02:06 <oilsworkn> awesome
Oct 26 23:02:20 <Abyssul> where?
Oct 26 23:03:12 <AlisonW> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps (though might improve wording in a moment once I finish the whole install)
Oct 26 23:04:54 <oilsworkn> destinal: are we going to push my changes as terminal 0.2.3?
Oct 26 23:05:18 <oilsworkn> did that one guy who said he increased the padding so words aren't cut off by the rounded corners ever submit a patch or something?
Oct 26 23:05:19 <A2NY> oil what did you brok in term ?
Oct 26 23:05:26 <A2NY> no, I never did
Oct 26 23:05:40 <oilsworkn> i pushed a message if the plugin isn't seen
Oct 26 23:05:50 <oilsworkn> and a "non-obvious keys" scene
Oct 26 23:05:54 <A2NY> I am still working on perfection, I am fixing the rotation to change it different
Oct 26 23:06:40 <kmax12> does pre ware you the package manager service to find the list of installed applications?
Oct 26 23:06:44 <kmax12> or is there a palm api?
Oct 26 23:07:09 <oilsworkn> care to rephrase that first question?
Oct 26 23:08:56 <mokel> hi, anyone can help me? i have the touchstone charging problem. should i replace the touchstone, the backcover or both? what worked for you?
Oct 26 23:09:11 <Abyssul> what touchstone charging problem?
Oct 26 23:09:22 <oilsworkn> my touchstone just always works
Oct 26 23:09:27 <mokel> charges until 40-50% then connects and disconnects all the time
Oct 26 23:09:29 <droO> oil
Oct 26 23:09:35 <droO> i dont think that guy submitted patch to fix padding
Oct 26 23:09:36 <oilsworkn> droO: ?
Oct 26 23:09:38 <droO> but it would be nice :'
Oct 26 23:09:40 <droO> :[
Oct 26 23:09:49 <oilsworkn> yeah, i think that guy was A2NY
Oct 26 23:09:55 <Abyssul> Go to your service provider
Oct 26 23:10:00 <oilsworkn> says he's still messin' with it
Oct 26 23:10:01 <Abyssul> and tell them
Oct 26 23:10:02 <kmax12> sorry, how does preware create the list of installed applications?
Oct 26 23:10:03 <destinal> oilsworkn: turns out I can't check it out until I get home but yeah I figure a 023 this evening
Oct 26 23:10:11 <A2NY> yeah
Oct 26 23:10:20 <A2NY> go ahead and push, I have all my changes saved
Oct 26 23:10:20 <oilsworkn> destinal: we may want to wait for dudes padding patch
Oct 26 23:10:33 <oilsworkn> since i do find that to be in the way sometimes
Oct 26 23:10:41 <A2NY> nah, go for it
Oct 26 23:10:48 <droO> has anyone started working on a proper text editor? :(
Oct 26 23:11:03 <oilsworkn> open terminal, vi filename
Oct 26 23:11:05 <oilsworkn> xD
Oct 26 23:11:09 <droO> :/
Oct 26 23:11:10 <Mousey> o_0
Oct 26 23:11:15 <droO> i dont like using vi from terminal tho :/
Oct 26 23:11:25 <droO> its fine if im using ssh
Oct 26 23:11:27 <dBsooner-work> man what did WindoZe users do without ComboFix?
Oct 26 23:11:27 <Mousey> i like using vi from the PLANE!
Oct 26 23:11:28 <destinal> A2NY: actually I'd like to see the padding fix too
Oct 26 23:11:47 <rwhitby> kmax12: it uses the package manager service - check the source code for more information
Oct 26 23:11:51 <oilsworkn> dBsooner-work: they get stuck with lots of crap, thats what
Oct 26 23:12:16 <dBsooner-work> oilsworkn: I am having to download it to my "write-protected jump drive" now to go in here and get this dudes old computer working again
Oct 26 23:12:23 <kmax12> rwhitby: thank you for the response. is there a palm documented way of doing it?
Oct 26 23:12:24 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 26 23:12:37 <oilsworkn> that and hjt are priceless
Oct 26 23:12:47 <A2NY> explained, all I did was give a 7px header, 7px footer
Oct 26 23:12:54 <rwhitby> kmax12: there is, but it cannot install advanced homebrew like patches or themes or services or plugins or optware.
Oct 26 23:12:59 <A2NY> padding css 7px on the left
Oct 26 23:13:23 <rwhitby> kmax12: and it also suffers from some arbitrary limits on package installation at the moment
Oct 26 23:13:25 <A2NY> and made window width less 7px
Oct 26 23:13:27 <kmax12> rwhitby: is it documented somewhere? I can seem to find it
Oct 26 23:13:35 <kmax12> I can't seem to find it**
Oct 26 23:13:39 <oilsworkn> i dont think its documented
Oct 26 23:13:52 <oilsworkn> look in findapps
Oct 26 23:13:52 <rwhitby> kmax12: I doubt that it is documented.  Why would Palm document a way to create an alternative to their App Catalog/
Oct 26 23:14:13 <rwhitby> kmax12: what's your end goal?
Oct 26 23:14:47 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: you know the preference for the second line in the package list?
Oct 26 23:14:53 <destinal> rwhitby: the same thing we do every night.  try and take over the world.
Oct 26 23:15:01 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 26 23:15:03 <Mousey> hey
Oct 26 23:15:04 <oilsworkn> rwhitby: yeah
Oct 26 23:15:10 <Mousey> my people
Oct 26 23:15:13 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: I think we need to default that to something that makes more sense to the end user - the package id is not the best default.
Oct 26 23:15:27 <oilsworkn> what are people using?
Oct 26 23:15:28 <kmax12> rwhitby: I am trying to make an app that when you open it the app will open many other applications. for example I clikc the icon and web, email, tweed, preware, and messaging all open.
Oct 26 23:15:33 <oilsworkn> i set mine to version + package id
Oct 26 23:15:38 <oilsworkn> maybe version + maintainer is best?
Oct 26 23:15:39 <oilsworkn> idk
Oct 26 23:15:51 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: I'm thinking version + maintainer too
Oct 26 23:15:52 <kmax12> so I need away of grabbing installed apps and ther appIDs
Oct 26 23:15:53 <oilsworkn> which reminds me, i need to fix maintainer there for the mult-maintainer packages
Oct 26 23:16:00 <oilsworkn> like i did to the view scene
Oct 26 23:16:20 <oilsworkn> or else itl be vx.x.x - [Object]
Oct 26 23:16:21 <oilsworkn> xD
Oct 26 23:16:40 <rwhitby> kmax12: how does that goal require package installation?  Sounds like you just need to use launch arguments.
Oct 26 23:17:08 <kmax12> it doesn't require package installation
Oct 26 23:17:10 <dBsooner-work> kmax12: why don't you use launch arguments? You can get the package id of installed apps rather easily.
Oct 26 23:17:27 <oilsworkn> opening many apps at once sounds like a good way to hit that "not enough memory, close some cards" message
Oct 26 23:17:28 <kmax12> dBsooner-work: how?
Oct 26 23:17:32 <dBsooner-work> LOL.. Frickin lag from downloadign ComboFix. rwhitby sure beat me to it.
Oct 26 23:18:00 <dBsooner-work> terminal. xD
Oct 26 23:18:05 <dBsooner-work> ipkg -o /var list
Oct 26 23:18:08 <dBsooner-work> ipkg list
Oct 26 23:18:10 <dBsooner-work> xD
Oct 26 23:18:19 <oilsworkn> he is talking about from his app
Oct 26 23:18:23 <dBsooner-work> oh
Oct 26 23:18:25 <dBsooner-work> muh bad
Oct 26 23:18:36 * dBsooner-work slithers back to the shadows.
Oct 26 23:18:45 <oilsworkn> if they have ipkgservice installed, you could get the installed packages with it
Oct 26 23:18:48 <oilsworkn> idk how palm does it
Oct 26 23:18:52 <kmax12> ya, and ideally it would be kosher, so it could get in the catalog
Oct 26 23:18:54 <oilsworkn> you'd have to look at their code
Oct 26 23:19:21 <oilsworkn> but that stuff is most likely on the private bus
Oct 26 23:19:25 <oilsworkn> aka, com.palm.appname
Oct 26 23:19:30 <oilsworkn> aka, not going to get into the catalog
Oct 26 23:19:35 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: there are some dbus services which return package lists - you see them with "dbus-util --capture" as the Pre starts up
Oct 26 23:19:50 <rwhitby> and also on each rescan I think
Oct 26 23:19:57 <oilsworkn> rwhitby: i would be shocked if palm put that stuff on the public bus
Oct 26 23:20:10 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: Have you ever been told you know too much?
Oct 26 23:21:16 <Abyssul> lol
Oct 26 23:21:25 <A2NY> dBsooner-work: have you ever been told you don't know too much ?
Oct 26 23:21:27 <Abyssul> Go back into your hola dBsooner :p
Oct 26 23:21:29 <Mousey> dbus is win
Oct 26 23:21:31 <Abyssul> hole*
Oct 26 23:21:39 <kmax12> oilsworkn: I just realized activecard does it
Oct 26 23:21:40 <Mousey> udev is win too, but it's a different kinda win
Oct 26 23:21:48 <oilsworkn> activecard?
Oct 26 23:21:58 <Mousey> if you like dbus, you should check out dfeet
Oct 26 23:22:04 <Mousey> the live dbus debugger
Oct 26 23:22:33 <kmax12> active card is a homescreen type app. it is in the app catalog, but there is a trial on p|c
Oct 26 23:23:45 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: shall we change the default to version + maintainer then?
Oct 26 23:24:00 <oilsworkn> not before i fix the multi-maintainer bug xD
Oct 26 23:24:08 <oilsworkn> but yeah, im fine with that
Oct 26 23:24:29 <oilsworkn> im also thinking about allowing package title to take 2 lines
Oct 26 23:24:41 <Abyssul> Haha, it seems like the Hero is having some text receiving problems :p
Oct 26 23:25:11 <oilsworkn> kmax12: the activecard in the precentral catalog is com.palm.activecardtwo
Oct 26 23:25:14 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: I'd prefer to keep package titles short and sweet.  There's plenty of room in the description ...
Oct 26 23:25:26 <oilsworkn> which means its accessing the private bus
Oct 26 23:25:35 <egaudet> no to 2 lines
Oct 26 23:25:38 <oilsworkn> maybe palm doesn't care, and let it into the catalog using it
Oct 26 23:25:47 <oilsworkn> no to 2 lines?
Oct 26 23:25:54 <egaudet> I don't think title should take 2 lines
Oct 26 23:26:07 <oilsworkn> look at the recent patches
Oct 26 23:26:35 <Mousey> there goes my No Knowthing Bozo, the Non-Wonder App
Oct 26 23:26:35 <oilsworkn> "Personal Avatar Left Side"
Oct 26 23:26:35 <oilsworkn> and "Personal Avatar Left Side..."
Oct 26 23:26:35 <oilsworkn> i can't tell what the two do differently
Oct 26 23:26:35 <egaudet> We can fix that, and avatar v2 should not have been made
Oct 26 23:26:54 <kmax12> oilsworkn: oh, do you know what it is in the catalog?
Oct 26 23:27:03 <oilsworkn> kmax12: i dont
Oct 26 23:27:11 <egaudet> I am awaiting word from elryon and will fix the avatar patch to work whether landscape messaging is installed or not
Oct 26 23:27:17 <egaudet> and remvoe v2
Oct 26 23:27:21 <egaudet> remove*
Oct 26 23:27:27 <oilsworkn> egaudet: or maybe we should change the package view scene to allow multi-line titles
Oct 26 23:28:06 <egaudet> The two issues I have is first if you have some with 1 line, some with 2 lines, it doesn't look as nice
Oct 26 23:28:23 <oilsworkn> right
Oct 26 23:28:26 <egaudet> then if you have all with 2 lines it decreases the ability to scroll through the packages quickly
Oct 26 23:28:48 <egaudet> especially when you do things like list of everything and want to skim through
Oct 26 23:28:48 <oilsworkn> im not saying i thought it was the best plan
Oct 26 23:28:50 <oilsworkn> i just saw that problem
Oct 26 23:28:54 <oilsworkn> and was thinking of fixes
Oct 26 23:29:06 <egaudet> right and I'm not saying it isn't the better plan either, just talking it out
Oct 26 23:29:11 <destinal> wow, they let in a com.palm app from someone other than themselves and motion apps?
Oct 26 23:29:19 <destinal> and well maybe pandora was too
Oct 26 23:29:19 <egaudet> who when?
Oct 26 23:29:25 <droO> has anyone resized partitions & had problems?
Oct 26 23:29:34 <oilsworkn> destinal: i dont know what the activecard in the catalog's id is
Oct 26 23:29:47 <oilsworkn> the one in the homebrew catalog is com.palm though
Oct 26 23:30:20 <oilsworkn> id assume the catalog is the same
Oct 26 23:30:29 <oilsworkn> if those methods are private
Oct 26 23:30:40 <egaudet> what is activecard?
Oct 26 23:30:46 <oilsworkn> not very good
Oct 26 23:30:46 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 26 23:31:06 <oilsworkn> its like an app-launcher today-screen type app
Oct 26 23:31:47 <egaudet> so the app catalog does multi-line titles
Oct 26 23:31:54 <egaudet> and it actually doesn't look as bad as I thought it would
Oct 26 23:31:58 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 26 23:32:05 <oilsworkn> yeah
Oct 26 23:32:11 <oilsworkn> they do it in the app view, too
Oct 26 23:32:29 <oilsworkn> instead of the fixed header, they have it just at hte top
Oct 26 23:32:55 <oilsworkn> i like the fixed header, but its not multi-line frendly
Oct 26 23:33:25 <oilsworkn> s/frendly/friendly/
Oct 26 23:33:26 <infobot> oilsworkn meant: i like the fixed header, but its not multi-line friendly
Oct 26 23:34:35 <DaBoss> Anyone here want to beta test some stuff?
Oct 26 23:34:36 <oilsworkn> DaBoss huh?
Oct 26 23:34:50 <DaBoss> oilsworkn huh?
Oct 26 23:35:25 <oilsworkn> what needs testing?
Oct 26 23:35:28 <A2NY> lol depends what it is
Oct 26 23:35:36 <Mousey> test what?
Oct 26 23:36:42 <DaBoss> A new app
Oct 26 23:36:45 <DaBoss> Perfect Bounce
Oct 26 23:36:48 <DaBoss> Two people
Oct 26 23:37:04 <droO> i will ;o
Oct 26 23:37:23 * oilsworkn has no access to palm-install at work
Oct 26 23:37:24 <oilsworkn> no usb cable
Oct 26 23:38:18 <oilsworkn> so DaBoss, every time i check out the reviews the checkers apps get, a lot of them seem to be "flip the board"
Oct 26 23:38:24 <AlisonW> tbw, anyone know if the hostname *has* to stay as 'castle'? (and why it got that name in the first place)?
Oct 26 23:39:06 <DaBoss> oilsworkn yeah I know, 1.1 will add that shit
Oct 26 23:39:20 <destinal> AlisonW: castle is the pre's codename
Oct 26 23:39:22 <oilsworkn> and the ai won't move back and forth forever?
Oct 26 23:39:25 <DaBoss> At least that's what Keen Studios says
Oct 26 23:39:32 <DaBoss> I wouldnt know, ask Kesne
Oct 26 23:39:49 <oilsworkn> I did
Oct 26 23:40:00 <oilsworkn> "[16:34] == kesne has changed nick to DaBoss"
Oct 26 23:40:07 <DaBoss> Yeah
Oct 26 23:40:09 <destinal> AlisonW: just like pixi's codename was "pixi" and some earlier development treo was known as "zepfloyd"
Oct 26 23:40:15 <DaBoss> What's your point punk?
Oct 26 23:40:21 <destinal> s/"pixi"/"pixie"/
Oct 26 23:40:21 <infobot> destinal meant: AlisonW: just like pixi's codename was "pixie" and some earlier development treo was known as "zepfloyd"
Oct 26 23:40:31 <Abyssul> Checkers 1.1 will include flipped board
Oct 26 23:40:38 <Abyssul> Im not sure about improved AI though
Oct 26 23:40:45 <Abyssul> He has it on his to-do list though
Oct 26 23:40:56 <AlisonW> I was wodnering whether Palm's code checked it was still called 'castle' or that it could be changed to personal taste
Oct 26 23:40:58 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 26 23:41:31 <destinal> AlisonW: I don't *think* it checks for a hostname of castle.  I know it DOES check for a hostname of qemux86
Oct 26 23:41:45 <AlisonW> ah .. interesting
Oct 26 23:41:48 <destinal> in some of the startup scripts
Oct 26 23:42:24 <kesne> xD
Oct 26 23:43:48 <kesne> lol
Oct 26 23:44:06 <kesne> that oil guy is so awesome
Oct 26 23:44:52 <kesne> you don't have your nick registered?
Oct 26 23:46:26 <BetterThanOil> kesne: I'm hella lazy
Oct 26 23:46:39 <BetterThanOil> kesne: and supa niave on IRC crap
Oct 26 23:46:49 <kesne> you need to register it
Oct 26 23:46:54 <oil_> I should
Oct 26 23:47:01 <kesne> then you could kick me off
Oct 26 23:47:03 <oil_> I see you registered oil
Oct 26 23:47:15 <kesne> my home pc is also logged into it right now
Oct 26 23:47:21 <oil_> Yeah
Oct 26 23:47:26 <oil_> but I know you registered anyway
Oct 26 23:47:29 * kesne registers this name so he can kick kesne off whenever he wants xD
Oct 26 23:47:37 <kesne> lol
Oct 26 23:47:47 <oilSucks> kesne: how the hell do I register it anyways
Oct 26 23:48:02 <oilsgoinhome> uh
Oct 26 23:48:08 <A2NY> '/msg nickserv help'
Oct 26 23:48:09 <oilsgoinhome> with /ns register email password?
Oct 26 23:48:12 <oilsgoinhome> i dont remember
Oct 26 23:48:23 <oilsgoinhome> then when you log in you /ns identify password
Oct 26 23:48:43 <oilsgoinhome> or if someone else (or a previous you from internet problems) is still on it, you can /ns ghost nick password
Oct 26 23:48:47 <oilsgoinhome> then it will let you /nick to it
Oct 26 23:49:18 * oilsgoinhome goes
Oct 26 23:49:19 <oilsgoinhome> brb
Oct 26 23:53:20 <lingfish> bah... the German Pre doesn't do 3G :(
Oct 26 23:53:52 <kesne> All registered up
Oct 26 23:53:54 <freakout> lol
Oct 26 23:54:00 <freakout> who the hell is BetterThanOil
Oct 26 23:54:01 <freakout> ?
Oct 26 23:54:04 <kesne> me?
Oct 26 23:54:06 <freakout> lingfish: what?
Oct 26 23:54:11 <freakout> he just pm'd me
Oct 26 23:54:15 <kesne> That's me
Oct 26 23:54:16 <lingfish> freakout: so an article just told me...
Oct 26 23:54:21 <lingfish> You know diff?
Oct 26 23:54:42 <freakout> lingfish: load of crap, it has a UMTS/HSDPA radio in it. might not support particular carriers
Oct 26 23:55:33 <lingfish> ah... I think the article specifically said "doesn't support US 3G"... I'm totally clueless on UMTS and all that crap
Oct 26 23:55:40 <lingfish> In short -- will it do 3G on Voda here?
Oct 26 23:58:07 <freakout> lingfish
Oct 26 23:58:09 <freakout> bah
Oct 26 23:58:13 <freakout> lingfish: should do
Oct 26 23:58:23 <lingfish> k
Oct 27 00:07:50 <rwhitby> freakout-work: haven't you got your Pre yet?  It's Tuesday!
Oct 27 00:08:56 <rwhitby> lingfish: 3G bands are all screwy in the US, just like the side of the road they drive on, the measurement units, the way they write dates, the way they say aluminium, the power voltage, etc, etc ... ;-)
Oct 27 00:09:51 <Abyssul> Damn, i broke my rock band drumset
Oct 27 00:14:01 <dBsooner-work> Rod, you get my email and pm?
Oct 27 00:14:54 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: yep
Oct 27 00:15:12 <kmax12> can anyone here extract an application for me?
Oct 27 00:15:19 <kmax12> I need /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/
Oct 27 00:16:11 <rwhitby> kmax12: they can, but if they were to send any files from it to you it would not be cool.
Oct 27 00:16:33 <rwhitby> kmax12: you can get any file that is on a Pre by extracting the webOS Doctor
Oct 27 00:16:51 <dBsooner-work> kmax12: why don't you download the webos doctor?
Oct 27 00:16:51 <kmax12> oh, how can I do it myself from the command line in webos quick install? or using hte recieve file feature
Oct 27 00:17:57 <kmax12> I don't know how to extract it
Oct 27 00:18:08 <dBsooner-work> kmax12: doesn't WOSQI download the webos doctor and save it to your computer automatically?
Oct 27 00:18:17 <kmax12> ya
Oct 27 00:18:21 <dBsooner-work> it's a .jar file, you use an archive tool
Oct 27 00:18:56 <kmax12> k, ill give it a try
Oct 27 00:19:41 <dBsooner-work> hint: keep looking in the .tar files inside the .jar
Oct 27 00:22:34 <oil> did pregame submit his catalog download count patch?
Oct 27 00:22:43 <kmax12> so where should I be looking for it?
Oct 27 00:23:55 <dBsooner-work> oil: yes
Oct 27 00:24:03 <dBsooner-work> I havce to figure out why it's not showing in preware
Oct 27 00:24:07 * oil waits for it to show in the feed
Oct 27 00:24:07 <dBsooner-work> its in the feed though
Oct 27 00:25:23 <oil> whats its id?
Oct 27 00:26:25 <kmax12> com.palm.findapps
Oct 27 00:26:32 <dBsooner-work> oil: umm
Oct 27 00:26:41 <oil> dBsooner-work: "in the "Palm App Catalog"."
Oct 27 00:26:55 <oil> unescaped quotes again
Oct 27 00:27:00 <dBsooner-work> Good lord
Oct 27 00:27:09 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: !
Oct 27 00:27:16 <dBsooner-work> fix it!
Oct 27 00:27:50 <dBsooner-work> now I did: grep '"' * -R last night
Oct 27 00:28:05 <dBsooner-work> actually.. grep '"' * -R |
Oct 27 00:28:29 <dBsooner-work> s/|/| grep "DESCRIPTION"/
Oct 27 00:28:29 <infobot> dBsooner-work meant: actually.. grep '"' * -R | grep "DESCRIPTION"
Oct 27 00:28:37 <dBsooner-work> and it didn't show that being there
Oct 27 00:29:38 <oil> its not ""
Oct 27 00:29:53 <dBsooner-work> I didn't put ""
Oct 27 00:29:55 <oil> rather, two quotes aren't right next to each other
Oct 27 00:29:58 <dBsooner-work> I put '"'
Oct 27 00:30:03 <dBsooner-work> ' " '
Oct 27 00:30:08 <oil> ah
Oct 27 00:30:57 <egaudet> what's happening
Oct 27 00:31:07 <dBsooner-work> unescaped quotes
Oct 27 00:31:10 <dBsooner-work> in description
Oct 27 00:31:27 <dBsooner-work> DESCRIPTION = This will "not work" right.
Oct 27 00:31:42 <egaudet> yea i know
Oct 27 00:31:44 <dBsooner-work> DESCRIPTION = This will \"not work" right either.
Oct 27 00:31:54 <egaudet> DESCRIPTION = where
Oct 27 00:32:03 <dBsooner-work> s/k"/k\"/
Oct 27 00:32:03 <infobot> dBsooner-work meant: DESCRIPTION = This will \"not work\" right either.
Oct 27 00:32:19 <dBsooner-work> DESCRIPTION = "This will \"work right\" though"
Oct 27 00:32:25 <egaudet> FYI it's ''
Oct 27 00:32:38 <egaudet> DESCRIPTION = This will 'not work' either?
Oct 27 00:32:46 <dBsooner-work> no
Oct 27 00:32:47 <egaudet> I got an idea... fix your script!
Oct 27 00:32:47 <dBsooner-work> that works
Oct 27 00:32:55 <dBsooner-work> Nope... not my script
Oct 27 00:32:57 <dBsooner-work> its the build scvript
Oct 27 00:33:25 <dBsooner-work> if you dont enclose escaped quotes inside quotes the echo of the META-DATA doesn't work.
Oct 27 00:33:27 <oil> lol
Oct 27 00:33:36 <egaudet> what
Oct 27 00:33:36 <dBsooner-work> look at the mason build log
Oct 27 00:33:50 <dBsooner-work> oil, do you get what I'm saying?
Oct 27 00:34:24 <oil> somewhat
Oct 27 00:34:40 <oil> but, it doesn't really matter if i understand it
Oct 27 00:34:42 <lingfish> rwhitby: heh, completely agree... plus how they do this stupid exclusivity on phone launches.
Oct 27 00:34:43 <oil> im not adding patches to the feed
Oct 27 00:37:43 <dBsooner-work> oil, no I was wanting you to help me explain it
Oct 27 00:38:18 <oil> if unescaped quotes make it into the source json object, it doesn't work
Oct 27 00:38:20 <oil> lol
Oct 27 00:38:40 <egaudet> dB it's not a problem in build scripts
Oct 27 00:38:43 <egaudet> i think it's in ipkg-utils
Oct 27 00:38:55 <dBsooner-work> wherever it is
Oct 27 00:39:25 <dBsooner-work> IF you don't enclose your entire string in quotes (if it includes escapes) then the escapes get stripped
Oct 27 00:39:42 <dBsooner-work> I looked at a mason build log the other day
Oct 27 00:40:00 <egaudet> have your script change
Oct 27 00:40:08 <dBsooner-work> and DESCRIPTION = This was \"supposed to\" work.
Oct 27 00:40:55 <dBsooner-work> became "echo blah blah DESCRIPTION = This was "supposed to" work. >> build/build.built
Oct 27 00:40:58 <dBsooner-work> or something like that
Oct 27 00:41:05 <dBsooner-work> but I know it stripped out the escapes
Oct 27 00:41:26 <dBsooner-work> But the next build I put DESCRIPTION = "This was "\"supposed to \" work"
Oct 27 00:41:53 <dBsooner-work> and the log said, "echo blah blah DESCRIPTION = "" This was \"supposed to\" work."" >> build/build.built
Oct 27 00:42:22 <dBsooner-work> s/, "/: /
Oct 27 00:42:24 <infobot> dBsooner-work meant: and the log said: echo blah blah DESCRIPTION = "" This was \"supposed to\" work."" >> build/build.built
Oct 27 00:42:39 <ihasn> im just starting out with the palm webos book and im having an issue with the News code can someone help me out?
Oct 27 00:43:09 <rwhitby> ihasn: #webos is your best bet
Oct 27 00:43:09 <ihasn> thanks
Oct 27 00:44:16 <dBsooner-work> so for some reason if you don't enclose the entire string that has escaped quotes inside quotes, it will strip the escapes.
Oct 27 00:44:34 <dBsooner-work> but when you do enclose the entire string in quotes, it addes a second second set of quotes before and after.
Oct 27 00:45:17 <dBsooner-work> So i went in and just changed all " to ' to eliminate having to " before and after the entire string and add the escapes ack.
Oct 27 00:45:38 <drnull_> anybody in here having the repeating 1.2.1 updates issue?  I think I fixed mine, and would like somebody who is having the issue to check a few things, and we can see if we can narrow it down.
Oct 27 00:45:51 <dBsooner-work> drnull_: what did you do?
Oct 27 00:45:54 <rwhitby> drnull_: what things do you think fixed it?
Oct 27 00:45:54 <egaudet> you can't have ' not withint ""
Oct 27 00:46:12 <drnull_> well, for starters: ipkg remove net.aonic.tether (*rolls eyes*)
Oct 27 00:46:21 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: yes you can. Cuz I do
Oct 27 00:46:35 <rwhitby> drnull_: anything else?
Oct 27 00:46:35 <dBsooner-work> And they built and are in the feed just fine.
Oct 27 00:47:02 <drnull_> but the update state is cached in /var/lib/software/state (it was set to 4 which I take to mean "I need an update").
Oct 27 00:47:17 <drnull_> so to fix that: echo -n 0 > /var/lib/software/state
Oct 27 00:47:31 <dBsooner-work> drnull_: SO reverse it
Oct 27 00:47:40 <dBsooner-work> echo -n 4 > /var/lib/software/state
Oct 27 00:47:48 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, then did you not bump the met aversion?
Oct 27 00:48:05 <drnull_> then just for kicks, I made a backup of the /var/lib/software/DmTree.xml file so that it would get redownloaded.
Oct 27 00:48:20 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: on the ones that have the ' in ther enow, yes. They are there.. I haven 't fixed the app-catalog-show-count yet
Oct 27 00:48:28 * rwhitby does a grep for /var/lib/software/state, and finds it in UpdateDaemon only
Oct 27 00:48:39 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, it is ' for app catalog in the Makefile
Oct 27 00:48:57 <dBsooner-work> what's the meta version?
Oct 27 00:49:01 <drnull_> dBsooner-work: the state file is what controls what the UpdateDeamon decides to do, so setting it back to 4 would definitely cause it to try to update again, that's not what I'm wondering about.
Oct 27 00:49:17 <drnull_> rwhitby: right, UpdateDaemon is the guy who maintains that state file.
Oct 27 00:49:22 <egaudet> 1
Oct 27 00:49:35 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: hmm
Oct 27 00:49:41 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: let me look at my original commit for that patch
Oct 27 00:50:18 <rwhitby> drnull_: have you been able to verify that putting net.aonic.tether back on and running UpdateDaemon sets the state back to 4 ?
Oct 27 00:51:09 <drnull_> rwhitby: no, not yet.  Does anybody happen to have the original source URL for net.aonic.tether so that I can ipkg install it?
Oct 27 00:51:17 <drnull_> I'll check his thread.
Oct 27 00:51:35 <dBsooner-work> drnull_: why not try just setting state back to 4 first?
Oct 27 00:51:47 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, i'm updating meta version to 2
Oct 27 00:51:56 <drnull_> because I know what happens when it's set to 4?
Oct 27 00:52:08 <rwhitby> drnull_: http://vz.aonic.net/pre/net.aonic.tether_0.5.0_all.ipk
Oct 27 00:52:13 <drnull_> thx rwhitby
Oct 27 00:52:15 <dBsooner-work> drnull_: Right, but what if just setting that to 0 is all you need to do
Oct 27 00:52:25 <dBsooner> ok im on here now
Oct 27 00:52:38 <rwhitby> drnull_: from http://vz.aonic.net/pre/my.tether.install
Oct 27 00:52:53 <drnull_> dBsooner: ah, I see what you're saying.  I'll try that as one of the alternatives if I can reproduce it.
Oct 27 00:53:15 <dBsooner> drnull: precisely. It would be neet if we can just set that back to 0
Oct 27 00:53:45 <dBsooner> I mean regardless, having things in the /usr userspace is not cool in my book. But that's what's needed on some thing.
Oct 27 00:54:07 <egaudet> dBsooner, only 1 of the 4 changes you made made it into the feed, weird
Oct 27 00:54:22 <egaudet> I'll bump meta version on all 4 patches you submitted for unescaped quotes?
Oct 27 00:54:22 <dBsooner> egaudet: what do you mean?
Oct 27 00:54:25 <rwhitby> dBsooner: it is *never* required to mess with Palm's ipkg database on the rootfs.
Oct 27 00:54:34 <egaudet> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=commit;h=084e58c72fd4e3706176c7235a565754d4239200
Oct 27 00:54:38 <dBsooner> rwhitby: Oh. Ok
Oct 27 00:54:46 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I thought when mytether was first released it was.
Oct 27 00:54:48 <egaudet> dBsooner, only one of those is in the feed correctly (i.e. the other three still have ")
Oct 27 00:55:15 <egaudet> to be clear, the service needs to go in the /usr space
Oct 27 00:55:19 <egaudet> at least sym link'd
Oct 27 00:55:19 <rwhitby> dBsooner: it has never been required.  some authors just choose to take the easy risky way of doing things, instead of thinking things through before acting.
Oct 27 00:55:23 <egaudet> but ipkg install is never needed
Oct 27 00:55:59 <dBsooner> See, as egaudet said. service needs to go in /usr space. At least a symlink back to /var/usr space
Oct 27 00:56:15 <dBsooner> That's what I was under the impression of.
Oct 27 00:56:27 <rwhitby> dBsooner: read what I said.  "it is *never* required to mess with Palm's ipkg database on the rootfs."
Oct 27 00:56:42 <dBsooner> I stand corrected. Thank you for clarification.
Oct 27 00:56:51 <dBsooner>  /usr = Bad. = Never.
Oct 27 00:57:00 <dBsooner> Burned into memory.
Oct 27 00:57:02 <rwhitby> dBsooner: /usr has nothing to do with it.
Oct 27 00:57:14 <rwhitby> running "ipgk" without the "-o /var" is the issue
Oct 27 00:57:21 <rwhitby> s/ipgk/ipkg/
Oct 27 00:57:21 <infobot> rwhitby meant: running "ipkg" without the "-o /var" is the issue
Oct 27 00:57:30 <xaiki`> hum, just a random question, I see hacks to turn European pre's keyboard layout that seem overly complicated... I just had a little testing with udev's keymap tool (not included in the emulator) to swap keys... and it works in the emulator, has any one tried this on the actual device ? (can't get one in this part of the world)
Oct 27 00:57:47 <dBsooner> Right, so offline root mode to make sure it's installed into the var userspace
Oct 27 00:58:14 <dBsooner> and then adding a symlink only in /usr won't mess with the rootfs ipkg database.
Oct 27 00:58:17 <xaiki`> anyway, I looked at the code and it's just a couple of ioctl()s to mess up with the input layer, it should do the trick, has anyone a xcompile setting that would do a bit of testing for me ? =D
Oct 27 00:58:27 <egaudet> dBsooner, you have to separate the idea into ipkg database and other userspace files
Oct 27 00:58:41 <dBsooner> Yeah, that's where I got confused. I was lumping the two together.
Oct 27 00:58:48 <rwhitby> ... to make sure that ipkg operates on the ipkg database in /var/usr/lib/ipkg (which is the same one used by palm-install) rather than the one in /usr/lib/ipkg (which is the one used by OTA webOS updates)
Oct 27 00:59:22 <dBsooner> Right
Oct 27 00:59:26 <rwhitby> xaiki`: changing the software token is persistent across webOS updates and webOS Doctor reflashing
Oct 27 00:59:30 <dBsooner> I have it separated in my head now.
Oct 27 00:59:49 <drnull_> brb... don't ya hate it when your computer won't talk to the pre anymore?  argh.
Oct 27 00:59:54 <dBsooner> It's ok to play with files in the userspace, just not install packages to the ipkg database of the /usr userspace.
Oct 27 01:00:18 <xaiki`> rwhitby: I haven't looked in details, so it set up some kind of bios/nvram space ?
Oct 27 01:00:50 <egaudet> so I have also noticed that the md5sums file is off
Oct 27 01:01:07 <rwhitby> xaiki`: there are a set of software tokens that are installed at manufacturing time, and *can* be modified by using the webOS Doctor.  Usually, they are not touched.  The meta-doctor allows them to be changed.
Oct 27 01:01:12 <egaudet> I'm at an updated 1.2.1 on my Pre and neither the existing md5sums file nor the 1.2.1 doctor md5sums has correct md5sums for all pacakges on my Pre
Oct 27 01:02:48 <egaudet> or maybe they are all different from patches, I didn't go through all the files just noticed a lot of FAILED on an md5sum -c run
Oct 27 01:09:44 <xaiki`> rwhitby: oh, and that meta-doctor only works with the doctor that you can only get if you actually own a device right..?
Oct 27 01:11:04 <rwhitby> xaiki`: see the webos doctor versions page on the wiki for direct dowload links
Oct 27 01:12:27 <xaiki`> rwhitby: oh cool, you guys rock =)
Oct 27 01:35:36 <dBsooner> Can one of you do me a favor?
Oct 27 01:35:53 <dBsooner> can someone search how to reset firefox from command line in linux"?
Oct 27 01:36:13 <dBsooner> it won't open right for me and I can't get an output of command-line switches.
Oct 27 01:36:32 <Doc_exe> rename the .mozilla directory
Oct 27 01:36:56 <dBsooner> ick
Oct 27 01:37:06 <dBsooner> I want to keep my stuff though. I guess I could do it temporarily
Oct 27 01:37:11 <dBsooner> just to get it to open
Oct 27 01:37:16 <Doc_exe> u won't loose anything
Oct 27 01:37:20 <Doc_exe> it will just create a new one
Oct 27 01:37:25 <dBsooner> I know
Oct 27 01:37:29 <Doc_exe> then u can search yourself on how to fix it :)
Oct 27 01:37:32 <dBsooner> lol
Oct 27 01:37:44 <dBsooner> But that defeats the purpose of me being lazy.
Oct 27 01:38:11 <Doc_exe> it just proves my laziness is teh winner :)
Oct 27 01:41:49 <egaudet> dBsooner, what do you mean reset?
Oct 27 01:42:07 <dBsooner> Im just gonan reboot
Oct 27 01:42:08 <dBsooner> ;)
Oct 27 01:42:13 <egaudet> pkill firefox
Oct 27 01:43:13 <tlp> took a spill today on my bike. Glad I had a screen protector on my Pre. Put a few good scuffs on it, but I peeled it off and the screen was fine
Oct 27 01:47:51 <dBsooner> brb
Oct 27 01:48:06 <dBsooner> egaudet: i can't even start terminal
Oct 27 01:48:12 <egaudet> we have 99 patches
Oct 27 01:48:23 <egaudet> I got 99 patches but a binary aint one
Oct 27 01:49:00 <egaudet> well we should have 98 (avatar v2 should be removed once that is fixed)
Oct 27 01:49:02 <oil> download count patch = win
Oct 27 01:49:13 <oil> thanks PreGame
Oct 27 01:49:47 <dBsooner> what's run in gnome?
Oct 27 01:49:51 <dBsooner> alt+?
Oct 27 01:50:08 <egaudet> f2?
Oct 27 01:50:15 <dBsooner> yeah, that's it
Oct 27 01:50:15 <dBsooner> thanks
Oct 27 01:50:16 <xaiki`> rwhitby: so, if I got that correctly, the webosdoctor runs on the host, and talks to the pre via the 2 novacomd. has anyone traced them a bit ?
Oct 27 01:50:29 <egaudet> or just open a terminal
Oct 27 01:50:49 <bpadalino> traced what now ?
Oct 27 01:50:53 <rwhitby> xaiki`: yep, and ther is precomd-progs git repo on git.webos-internals.org
Oct 27 01:51:30 <dBsooner> egaudet: <+dBsooner> egaudet: i can't even start terminal
Oct 27 01:52:03 <dBsooner> brb reboot
Oct 27 01:52:05 <dBsooner> stupid gnome
Oct 27 01:52:12 <egaudet> how can you not start terminal?
Oct 27 01:52:20 <Stugots> precomd-progs is sorta "ordd"
Oct 27 01:52:25 <Stugots> "odd"
Oct 27 01:52:26 <dBsooner> egaudet: it starts
Oct 27 01:52:31 <bpadalino> odd ?
Oct 27 01:52:32 <dBsooner> but is just a blank grey screen
Oct 27 01:52:38 <Stugots> if u run it with out commands it acts like novaterm ;)
Oct 27 01:52:57 <rwhitby> Stugots: yes, a freely redistributable open source version of it ...
Oct 27 01:53:00 <bpadalino> sounds like an improvement to me!
Oct 27 01:53:09 <bpadalino> :)
Oct 27 01:53:10 <Stugots> yeah.... but is origional repo name was precomd
Oct 27 01:53:21 <Stugots> which makes it sound like novacomd
Oct 27 01:53:43 <Stugots> and that makes it "odd"
Oct 27 01:54:11 <bpadalino> think of it as a single connection daemon
Oct 27 01:54:30 <Stugots> bpadalino: yeah get what is "is"
Oct 27 01:54:35 <kesne> 421 downloads
Oct 27 01:54:45 <Stugots> but it would still be nice to use... for example, the ecplise dev plugins
Oct 27 01:54:48 <bpadalino> feel free to improve upon it
Oct 27 01:54:49 <Stugots> with out novacomd
Oct 27 01:55:01 <Stugots> bpadalino: i want  to play with it when i get some time
Oct 27 01:55:22 <dBsooner> lol
Oct 27 01:55:25 <bpadalino> you should be able to do at least a little bit of it ... i am not sure how many connections to the pre it opens up
Oct 27 01:55:28 <bpadalino> the palm stuff
Oct 27 01:55:32 <dBsooner> egaudet: even "restart" is just a grey blank box
Oct 27 01:55:56 <egaudet> I don't know what that means
Oct 27 01:56:05 <egaudet> ???
Oct 27 01:56:07 <Stugots> bpadalino: just been busy, been at a conference for a week, now i have to present my thesis paper at another conference plus i owe oil wircd
Oct 27 01:57:06 * rwhitby wonders if Stugots == PuffTheMagic ...
Oct 27 01:57:07 <dBsooner> egaudet: Eveythign I try to open just gives me a blank grey window with the titlebar
Oct 27 01:57:31 <bpadalino> ah right
Oct 27 01:57:36 <bpadalino> should have whois'd
Oct 27 01:57:42 <Stugots> rwhitby would be correct, esp since he hasnt op'd anyone new :D
Oct 27 02:00:13 * oil checks git.pym for wircd
Oct 27 02:00:24 <tlp> :o!
Oct 27 02:00:27 * oil closes tab disappointed 
Oct 27 02:00:30 <tlp> D:
Oct 27 02:00:38 <droO> wircd?:o
Oct 27 02:00:54 <rwhitby> oil: should I test preware git current state?
Oct 27 02:01:02 <oil> uh
Oct 27 02:01:04 <oil> it needs work
Oct 27 02:03:05 * rwhitby bbl
Oct 27 02:04:31 <drnull_> so reinstalling the tether service didn't seem to have any impact (i.e., I couldn't get the Pre back into a state of wanting to update)
Oct 27 02:04:52 <drnull_> setting /var/lib/software/state to 4 did, as expected, make things want to update
Oct 27 02:05:06 <drnull_> but so did puttting the old /var/lib/software/DmTree.xml file back in place
Oct 27 02:05:56 <drnull_> So I think, if you run two commands: 'rm /var/lib/software/DmTree.xml' then 'echo -n 0 > /var/lib/software/state' and then reboot, the update problems should go away. I'd rather not post that till it was confirmed by somebody else though.
Oct 27 02:09:34 <egaudet> drnull_, is it still possible that a once-a-day or otherwise infrequent run will check the file structure status and set state to 4, while a more frequent poll is checking the state file?
Oct 27 02:11:23 <drnull_> egaudet: so the state moves to 4 on a user initiated update check, but only with the "bad" DmTree.xml file in place.  Now, it's possible that the "bad" DmTree.xml file is generated once-a-day or something like that.  Tragically, instead of copying the "bad" DmTree.xml file back, I mv'ed it.  Then when I rm'ed it... well, yeah, I can't test it again.
Oct 27 02:12:08 <drnull_> maybe I'll get "lucky" and I'll be scheduled for updates tomorrow... then I can retest things.
Oct 27 02:12:22 <egaudet> OK well it's very good progress, we need to find a willing person with the update bug if yours never comes back
Oct 27 02:12:54 <drnull_> egaudet: shoot, I'm just happy that I can turn wifi back on now.  :)
Oct 27 02:12:55 <egaudet> did you happen to notice anything in the xml that looked off before removing it?
Oct 27 02:13:26 <egaudet> that's definitely a good thing
Oct 27 02:14:06 <drnull_> Tons and tons of package names.  Tragically, I didn't grep for "tether" or something obvious like that.  :(
Oct 27 02:27:21 <egaudet> rwhitby, ping
Oct 27 02:30:50 <rick-work> hi all
Oct 27 02:31:13 <rick-work> at srintdev who has qestions for palm engineers
Oct 27 02:31:14 <rick-work> ??
Oct 27 02:31:16 * Abyssul runs furiously.
Oct 27 02:31:56 <Abyssul> yay! a glitch in the Pre
Oct 27 02:32:17 <droO> question: when are they going to take advantage of smartreflex ;/
Oct 27 02:32:28 <Abyssul> "<3" isn't translated into a heart when it is a incoming text.
Oct 27 02:33:14 <rick-work> can not ask that.  No "future plans" people here.
Oct 27 02:34:21 <droO> ask what i need to do to enable monitor mode in wifi driver
Oct 27 02:34:22 <droO> D;
Oct 27 02:34:33 <rick-work> droO  hahahaha
Oct 27 02:34:54 <droO> the drivers are oss, they might as well rls their changes ;\
Oct 27 02:39:38 <rick-work> dro, again, limits
Oct 27 02:40:21 <droO> offer him money ;o
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