**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 31 02:59:57 2009 Oct 31 03:20:47 is wIRC out yet? Oct 31 03:20:55 lol Oct 31 03:21:20 what? Oct 31 03:21:35 Puff is a little sensitive on the subject, methinks. Oct 31 03:21:47 hes havin a ruff go? Oct 31 03:22:25 So I left a voicemail msg on kesne's support line. Oct 31 03:22:43 I said "this is f***ing queer*" Oct 31 03:22:49 google translated as "this is korea" Oct 31 03:23:12 hahahaaa Oct 31 03:28:01 freakout: the secret service are on their way Oct 31 03:28:15 * lingfish is dechipering o2.de Oct 31 03:28:37 what's to decipher? Oct 31 03:28:45 er, the German for a start :P Oct 31 03:28:48 German isn't that obscure of a language Oct 31 03:29:52 need a hand? I do speak german fwiw Oct 31 03:30:04 GOod god yes. Oct 31 03:30:17 whats out cool for the pre? Oct 31 03:33:47 entity-: oil is having "issues" Oct 31 03:34:20 with what dawg Oct 31 03:34:21 ? Oct 31 03:34:39 he cant get debug output on the pre Oct 31 03:34:47 nope Oct 31 03:35:00 and i (until 30s ago) didnt have a i686 service for him to use in the emulator Oct 31 03:35:40 * sugardave blames oil. Oct 31 03:35:48 ;( Oct 31 03:35:51 what kind of debug output? Oct 31 03:35:57 of any kind Oct 31 03:36:04 use stdout Oct 31 03:36:37 yeah, I couldn't ever get my Pre to output anything I told it, Mojo.Log.error, console.log, nothing Oct 31 03:36:45 Call us at 1-814-367-3466 to hear funny transcriptions! Oct 31 03:36:53 console.log needs LunaSysMgr in the foreground Oct 31 03:36:59 stdout Oct 31 03:36:59 do it Oct 31 03:40:30 firing up FF3.6b1. crossing fingers. Oct 31 03:41:46 can get the damn emulator for 1.3.1 to work on vist Oct 31 03:41:49 vista* Oct 31 03:55:47 hey everyone. havent been on in a bit. just heard palm is releasing updates to dev early? nice move. Oct 31 03:57:59 not really Oct 31 03:58:04 i can't even get it to work Oct 31 03:58:39 send it my way :P Oct 31 04:01:23 damn chromium is fast. Oct 31 04:01:39 just tested ff3.6b1 and it's nowhere close Oct 31 04:05:49 when are they gonna make a google latitude app Oct 31 04:08:28 entity-: probably not anytime soon. Oct 31 04:09:42 LAME Oct 31 04:09:44 why Oct 31 04:09:49 is it hard? Oct 31 04:12:04 Someone want to help me with some issue I'm having non webOS related? Oct 31 04:12:32 ? Oct 31 04:13:32 My Keen Studios Support number isnt working Oct 31 04:13:38 and I only have one phone with me Oct 31 04:13:43 So I need someone to call it Oct 31 04:15:53 lingfish, how goes pre? Oct 31 04:16:05 morning Oct 31 04:16:06 Lawson: I don't have one yet Oct 31 04:16:32 wading through warranty pages and translations Oct 31 04:16:33 So 1.3.1 still does ipkg list instead of ipkg list_installed in LunaSysMgr. Oct 31 04:16:51 Therefore, Fair Dinkum will be subsumed into ipkgservice. Oct 31 04:17:03 interesting Oct 31 04:17:06 * oil remembers saying that a while ago Oct 31 04:17:34 has anyone said if it fixes the app limit? Oct 31 04:17:40 You tested a telstra pre-paid sim in a pre no? Was it someone elses? Oct 31 04:17:46 oil: I was hoping they'd change it to list_installed as I recommended, but it looks like it hasn't happened. Oct 31 04:17:58 oil: I'm testing that now Oct 31 04:18:13 hard to tell on the emulator, cause no findapps app Oct 31 04:19:30 queryInstallCapacity still definitely does give a different "result" based on whether there is 100MiB free or not. Oct 31 04:21:50 Lingfish: How fast is Telstra's edge network? It's a fair bit slower than 3G right? Oct 31 04:23:22 looks like it's no longer calling 'du' though Oct 31 04:23:59 Lawson: nah that was someone else, thewhitetower from precentral forums Oct 31 04:24:31 lingfish: ah yeah, whoops Oct 31 04:24:38 :) Oct 31 04:24:58 anyone have the novacomd linky handy? Oct 31 04:25:22 nm Oct 31 04:29:53 Anyone here liking the look of the Droid? Oct 31 04:31:19 how liong does doctoring take? Oct 31 04:31:57 Lawson: droid looks interesting with the hal9000ish startup but I do not like that lip at the bottom of the phone Oct 31 04:31:59 entity-: 10 to 30 minutes Oct 31 04:32:24 so Palm has announced #webos ... Oct 31 04:32:28 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1828 Oct 31 04:32:48 here? Oct 31 04:33:54 jauderho: Yeah I know! Not to much of a big deal to me but doesn't seem neccessary. Oct 31 04:34:50 it's wasted space Oct 31 04:34:52 when i doc Oct 31 04:34:59 does it wipe everything Oct 31 04:36:13 Looks like its on freenode Oct 31 04:38:43 my msging app is messed Oct 31 04:39:00 i swiped away all my convos Oct 31 04:39:07 now they wont show up again Oct 31 04:40:15 maybe i should pull the battery Oct 31 04:41:59 Templarian: emergency ping! Oct 31 04:42:23 entity-: doc wipes everything Oct 31 04:46:11 PuffTheMagic: okay. Oct 31 04:46:16 lol Oct 31 04:46:28 Templarian: wIRC/wIRCd needs icons :D Oct 31 04:46:52 Hmm... an IRC icon... it has to be sexy yet simple. Oct 31 04:46:57 How about....Joan of Arc? Oct 31 04:47:20 Templarian: yes, do your magic, if you can spare some time Oct 31 04:48:43 Templarian: i can be lame like the mIRC icon ;) Oct 31 04:49:20 No, I'm going to make it something better lets hope. Oct 31 04:49:21 infact wIRC like the mIRC on an ice block == simple + sexy Oct 31 04:49:58 If you want ice. I could go either way since it's a large type app. Oct 31 04:50:22 http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4451/screengj.png << WIP on the WoW Armory character view. Oct 31 04:51:59 Templarian: i will trust you to make it sweet Oct 31 04:52:07 Templarian: is WoW why you have had no icon time? Oct 31 04:52:08 ;) Oct 31 04:52:12 lol Oct 31 04:52:48 no I don't actually play the game... mostly classes and work stuff. Oct 31 04:53:10 So is it almost done? Oct 31 04:53:33 I wanted to test out part of my framework to see if it was good at expanding. Turns out it's awesome. Oct 31 04:54:07 kesne: i finally got oil a wIRCd binary that works in the emu Oct 31 04:54:14 like an hour ago Oct 31 04:54:15 Templarian: http://developer.palm.com/images/palm/irc.png is palm's IRC icon ... Oct 31 04:54:26 kesne: what time is is for you Oct 31 04:55:13 is wIRC done Oct 31 04:55:18 9:54 Oct 31 04:55:21 rwhitby: I know, I was thinking something along those lines, but it's really close to messenger icon... Oct 31 04:55:26 kesne: ask me in 2 hours Oct 31 04:55:34 I wont be awake Oct 31 04:55:41 Templarian: mIRC icon clone on ice :D Oct 31 04:55:43 Im going to bed now Oct 31 04:55:49 no Oct 31 04:55:51 its only 10pm Oct 31 04:55:52 mIRC is ugly Oct 31 04:55:57 So? Oct 31 04:56:04 egaudet: the new mIRC icon is clean an nice Oct 31 04:56:04 10pm is a good time Oct 31 04:56:10 I'll get plenty of sleep Oct 31 04:56:13 Night everyone Oct 31 04:56:15 Good Luck! Oct 31 04:56:19 when i was 12 i went to bed at 10pm Oct 31 04:56:27 :D Oct 31 04:56:28 egaudet: I'm not doing mIRC... don't worry I don't acutally take puff's design things too seriously. Oct 31 04:56:28 nice Oct 31 04:56:29 mirc still around? Oct 31 04:56:45 mIRC is still one of the best irc clients ever Oct 31 04:56:49 yes its sitll around Oct 31 04:57:00 wtf do you windows fan boys use for irc? Oct 31 04:57:03 if not mIRC Oct 31 04:57:13 Yea, mIRC is still one of the best ones out there. I use pidgin for convience though. Oct 31 04:57:19 trillian Oct 31 04:57:28 x-Chat Oct 31 04:57:29 oh god Oct 31 04:57:30 mIRC is good for windows yea Oct 31 04:57:30 sawg Oct 31 04:57:33 but I don't use windows Oct 31 04:57:33 that is not a IRC client Oct 31 04:57:35 dawg Oct 31 04:57:36 PuffTheMagic: I'm using irssi in a cygwin shell Oct 31 04:57:40 I use crappy xchat on both windows n linux Oct 31 04:57:41 and I hate when I have to use mIRC at work Oct 31 04:57:41 I think X-chat is better than mIRC right? Oct 31 04:57:51 i like XChat Oct 31 04:57:51 X-Chat is good Oct 31 04:57:55 u windows people need to try quassel Oct 31 04:58:00 ircii Oct 31 04:58:00 enter the world of real IRC Oct 31 04:58:15 irssi or die. Oct 31 04:58:16 but mIRC is like a universal benchmark Oct 31 04:58:19 yea so PuffTheMagic I think I find some mem leaks Oct 31 04:58:21 irssi is crap Oct 31 04:58:26 unless your Xorg is broken Oct 31 04:58:33 egaudet: i KNOW there are mem leaks :D Oct 31 04:58:42 egaudet: push fixes if you can Oct 31 04:58:43 irssi is god in a pinch yes Oct 31 04:58:46 you should have access Oct 31 04:58:48 good even Oct 31 04:58:55 it's hard to find them because you use those damn lib functions that malloc behind the scenes Oct 31 04:58:56 PuffTheMagic: er, wtf? irssi has nothing to do with Xorg ya mang :P Oct 31 04:58:57 * Templarian thinks hehe as long as it has tab completion and name highlight it's good enough. Oct 31 04:59:05 It's the best text-based client out there, period. Oct 31 04:59:06 egaudet: sorry ? Oct 31 04:59:20 like json_get_string Oct 31 04:59:25 egaudet: i why reinvent the wheel and parse json manually? Oct 31 04:59:28 ooer.. digging through old documents is frightening Oct 31 04:59:31 Huzzah! Oct 31 04:59:39 oil: PUSH! Oct 31 04:59:45 * oil_wirc pushes Oct 31 04:59:51 * Marajin shoves. Oct 31 04:59:56 * PuffTheMagic pulls Oct 31 05:00:19 pushed! Oct 31 05:00:27 is that real wIRC oil_wirc Oct 31 05:00:27 legit Oct 31 05:00:30 like legit wIRC Oct 31 05:00:31 Srsly Oct 31 05:00:33 Pull it Oct 31 05:00:34 PuffTheMagic: you really expect us to believe that you can pull? Oct 31 05:00:43 already up to date Oct 31 05:00:48 did you move the repo Oct 31 05:00:59 Its on webosinternals Oct 31 05:01:07 tmp/wIRC.git Oct 31 05:01:14 egaudet: shhhhh Oct 31 05:01:17 errr Oct 31 05:01:20 oil_wirc: shhhhhhh Oct 31 05:01:24 Sry :/ Oct 31 05:01:29 ;) Oct 31 05:01:42 Its obviously kind of hackish right now Oct 31 05:01:47 Using the stuff I already wrote Oct 31 05:01:56 But, getting it to work is most of the battle Oct 31 05:02:06 it takes eclipse like a friggen year to send to the pre an launch Oct 31 05:02:12 Lol Oct 31 05:02:14 It does sometimes Oct 31 05:02:23 lol Oct 31 05:02:31 oil_wirc: how are you joining channels Oct 31 05:02:34 parsing commands? Oct 31 05:02:38 With /join Oct 31 05:02:44 Then it pops a new scene Oct 31 05:02:58 Sofar, /join /me and /quit work Oct 31 05:03:02 And, normal messages obv Oct 31 05:03:08 And, I need to turn off autocaps Oct 31 05:03:21 is mirc free? Oct 31 05:03:26 Maybe? Oct 31 05:03:26 Woot Oct 31 05:03:33 This is awesome Oct 31 05:03:35 not wIRC Oct 31 05:03:37 mIRC Oct 31 05:03:43 * oil_wirc doesn't know Oct 31 05:03:48 So much better than luna-send Oct 31 05:03:52 Lol Oct 31 05:03:54 That's a given Oct 31 05:04:08 And it has auto nick coloring Oct 31 05:04:25 But it still has auto cap Oct 31 05:04:30 Oil damn u Oct 31 05:04:34 Turn it off in the prefs Oct 31 05:04:42 is mIRC free? Oct 31 05:04:43 you have to quit and rejoin the channel though Oct 31 05:04:45 idk if that works Oct 31 05:04:48 * oil tests Oct 31 05:05:00 oil loves his auto cap ... Oct 31 05:05:13 naw Oct 31 05:05:15 I turned it off Oct 31 05:05:16 its cool Oct 31 05:05:20 it just defaults to on Oct 31 05:05:23 Oil when does it take effect? Oct 31 05:05:28 close the chat window Oct 31 05:05:30 and re/join Oct 31 05:05:34 I can't cahnge widgets on the fly Oct 31 05:05:35 Fail Oct 31 05:05:38 or it would already be automatic Oct 31 05:05:51 talk to palm about their not letting me change the attributes after its already setup fail Oct 31 05:05:51 oil_wirc: sure you can Oct 31 05:05:53 i closed the window Oct 31 05:06:01 now /join again Oct 31 05:06:05 why didnt it cause me to leave the channel? Oct 31 05:06:12 cause it doesn't yet? Oct 31 05:06:15 jeez Oct 31 05:06:19 I can only code it so fast Oct 31 05:06:22 and this is the majority of it Oct 31 05:06:29 well, majority anyone will use Oct 31 05:06:30 OK seriously Oct 31 05:06:36 I'm going to throw my computer out the window Oct 31 05:06:38 hey Oct 31 05:06:40 oh Oct 31 05:06:42 it works Oct 31 05:06:44 and Oct 31 05:06:53 its like a feature Oct 31 05:06:55 [2009/10/31 1:05:41] novacom_usb_rx_thread:326: error reading packet, shutting down, rc: -1 Oct 31 05:06:55 [2009/10/31 1:05:42] novacom_go_offline:690: going offline Oct 31 05:06:55 [2009/10/31 1:05:42] novacom_unregister_device:229: removing id 02ecdea4 Oct 31 05:06:58 oil, egaudet: what do you think about a ReloadStatus flag for packages that do ipkg commands in the postinst, so that Preware knows to reload the package status ? Oct 31 05:07:11 cause it still logs while closed Oct 31 05:07:15 lolc Oct 31 05:07:20 ause the channel isn't part'd Oct 31 05:07:27 rwhitby, I don't think packages should do ipkg commands Oct 31 05:07:29 in the postinst Oct 31 05:07:32 I didn't miss anything Oct 31 05:07:37 wait, reload status flag? Oct 31 05:07:56 oil you need to add tab complete for nicks NOW Oct 31 05:08:01 lol Oct 31 05:08:08 egaudet: ipkgservice is going to ipkg remove fairdinkum in the next version, since it's subsuming the functionality Oct 31 05:08:11 i've got to think about how to do it Oct 31 05:08:22 press tab duh Oct 31 05:08:37 rwhitby, shouldn't is use conflicts Oct 31 05:08:38 please point me to the tab key on the pres keyboard Oct 31 05:08:46 oh, that's right Oct 31 05:08:55 it seems that any ipkg commands in postinst are just workarounds Oct 31 05:09:00 Opera has a great IRC client Oct 31 05:09:07 psh Oct 31 05:09:08 egaudet: preware doesn't support conflicts, and this is time critical - has to happen before the 1.3.1 release Oct 31 05:09:26 kense you are wIRC banned now Oct 31 05:09:29 go to bed Oct 31 05:09:32 rwhitby, right but ipkgservice removing fair dinkum, why do you need to reload status? Oct 31 05:09:33 Hey Oct 31 05:09:34 it does Oct 31 05:09:38 It's nice Oct 31 05:09:42 egaudet: but you're right - for the long run we should do conflicts instead Oct 31 05:09:42 Integrated Oct 31 05:09:46 Opera is good Oct 31 05:09:48 Accept i Oct 31 05:09:49 t Oct 31 05:09:59 egaudet: so no point in putting a work-around in for the short term Oct 31 05:10:06 can i donwload wirc now Oct 31 05:10:10 * rwhitby retracts the suggestion Oct 31 05:10:12 opera is a binary I don't use it Oct 31 05:10:29 only stuff I can build from source Oct 31 05:10:35 fairdinkum 0.4.1 released, it will be the final version before ipkgservice 0.9.11 is released Oct 31 05:10:46 also Oct 31 05:10:51 entity-: yeah from git Oct 31 05:11:02 but u will need the service Oct 31 05:11:21 which you can get once i recieve a payment in paypal Oct 31 05:11:39 rwhitby, fairdinkum can be updated at the same time ipkgservice is Oct 31 05:11:49 into a dummy package Oct 31 05:11:58 oil_wirc: im so happy you have auto-nick-coloring Oct 31 05:12:32 Hmm Oct 31 05:12:39 egaudet: yeah, that's what I'm going to do - just need to make sure that it can be done in either order Oct 31 05:12:46 * rwhitby bbl Oct 31 05:12:46 oil_wirc: is there a way to make the text entry background darker Oct 31 05:13:12 with images... Oct 31 05:13:16 yes Oct 31 05:13:24 use dark theme... Oct 31 05:13:47 no the dark theme sucks Oct 31 05:13:54 i need a custom custom theme Oct 31 05:13:59 cause i hate dark Oct 31 05:13:59 yes it does Oct 31 05:14:01 its fugly Oct 31 05:14:15 hey,I'm no artist Oct 31 05:14:28 oil I need an ipk Oct 31 05:14:30 talt to an artist... Oct 31 05:14:40 egaudet: no u dont Oct 31 05:14:43 palm-install it Oct 31 05:14:46 or scp it Oct 31 05:14:55 of wirc? Oct 31 05:14:56 yea nm Oct 31 05:15:17 PuffTheMagic: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons Something like this? Oct 31 05:15:18 oil_wirc: colored nicks fails in dark theme! Oct 31 05:15:32 its random Oct 31 05:15:35 Templarian: i should say wIRC Oct 31 05:15:47 oil_pre: its NOT working Oct 31 05:16:01 lol Oct 31 05:16:03 my text is yellowish-green and everyone else is maroone Oct 31 05:16:03 I just realized that hehe. I had it saying wIRC but deleted it when moving stuff around. Oct 31 05:16:07 i cant spell Oct 31 05:16:35 Templarian: its sorta palmish and messenger ish Oct 31 05:16:38 but looks alright Oct 31 05:17:13 Is there any good git integration with Eclipse yet? Oct 31 05:17:16 Should I put the "w" in the gray buble? Oct 31 05:17:18 no Oct 31 05:17:32 ++ Oct 31 05:17:39 with the rest of the IRC :D Oct 31 05:18:23 its a mirrored version of the messenger icon :D Oct 31 05:18:45 reverse mirror Oct 31 05:18:45 Oh you figured out my lazyness, you win an icon. Oct 31 05:18:50 aha Oct 31 05:19:03 Templarian: i know... beggars cant be choosers Oct 31 05:19:11 * oil_wirc likes it to look like palms stuff Oct 31 05:19:14 makes it fit Oct 31 05:19:16 Plus I couldn't think of anything else. Oct 31 05:19:32 oil_wirc: i have to tell ya... im really loving this piss yellow color Oct 31 05:19:37 i think you should block it Oct 31 05:20:00 Templarian you are pink ;) Oct 31 05:20:01 lol Oct 31 05:20:06 its random dude Oct 31 05:20:14 why can't I get in here Oct 31 05:20:17 maybe we need psudo-random Oct 31 05:20:18 with wIRC Oct 31 05:20:23 egaudet: /join Oct 31 05:20:26 lol, just make sure to set thresholds. Oct 31 05:20:43 wooT Oct 31 05:20:45 thanks Templarian Oct 31 05:21:01 * oil saves icon to project folder Oct 31 05:21:02 i joined Oct 31 05:21:04 it spawned new card Oct 31 05:21:10 np, we can think of something else later on or polish it up, i'm sure it will have many updates to come. Oct 31 05:21:11 it says #webos-internals at top Oct 31 05:21:29 :/ Oct 31 05:21:51 oil: can you add the channel modes to the top of the channel window in the header? Oct 31 05:22:09 probably Oct 31 05:22:34 http://git.preyourmind.org/?p=application/wIRC.git;a=blob_plain;f=app/models/nick.js;hb=HEAD Oct 31 05:22:39 see random color Oct 31 05:22:42 egaudet you are missing out Oct 31 05:24:43 event error Oct 31 05:24:47 origin null Oct 31 05:24:51 closing link 127.0.0.1 Oct 31 05:24:56 returnValue 0 Oct 31 05:24:56 restart wircd Oct 31 05:25:44 well I met my dealine Oct 31 05:25:53 lol Oct 31 05:26:32 with time to spare Oct 31 05:26:50 you guys in terminal or in an app? Oct 31 05:26:59 Noobs Oct 31 05:27:02 huzzah Oct 31 05:27:26 hmagoo: app Oct 31 05:27:26 lol Oct 31 05:27:37 Eww puff in yellow Oct 31 05:27:38 12pt font ftw Oct 31 05:27:50 Fix the hideous color Oct 31 05:28:11 lol you are poop green Oct 31 05:28:29 btw oil enable landscape Oct 31 05:28:34 vkb Oct 31 05:28:36 lol Oct 31 05:28:41 haha now Oct 31 05:28:50 vkb is perma blocked Oct 31 05:29:22 http://i34.tinypic.com/npouc2.png Oct 31 05:29:33 it needs to parse urls and make them links, too Oct 31 05:29:37 wait Oct 31 05:29:48 lol Oct 31 05:29:53 oh Oct 31 05:29:57 that's good that didn't work Oct 31 05:30:58 actually 14px font is better Oct 31 05:31:14 atleast those changes are instant Oct 31 05:31:22 can we make the text entry area smaller Oct 31 05:31:39 is HUGE Oct 31 05:31:43 http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2443/wirc20093110012936.png Oct 31 05:31:43 kesne: that's this about changing attributes after the fact? Oct 31 05:32:11 aww, yellow burns the eyes Oct 31 05:32:50 lok Oct 31 05:32:55 lol Oct 31 05:33:09 lok should be in autofix dict Oct 31 05:33:45 get that autocorrecteditor app Oct 31 05:33:59 Wirc Oct 31 05:34:09 ftw Oct 31 05:34:18 Hey auto highlight text field Oct 31 05:34:26 huh? Oct 31 05:34:52 like when someome sends you a messahe Oct 31 05:34:58 when I come from prefs screen Oct 31 05:35:02 oil: wow, that yellow really does burn the eyes. Oct 31 05:35:03 auto highlight text field Oct 31 05:35:04 or when you nick is in a msg Oct 31 05:35:08 you mean focus Oct 31 05:35:13 yea Oct 31 05:35:16 focus Oct 31 05:35:17 sorry Oct 31 05:35:17 yeah Oct 31 05:36:38 but yeah, something to happen when someone says your name Oct 31 05:36:42 on the todo list Oct 31 05:37:08 oil: use this to turn them into links: /\b(https?):\/\/[-A-Z0-9+&@#\/%?=~_|$!:,.;]*[A-Z0-9+&@#\/%=~_|$]{3,}/im Oct 31 05:37:16 uh? Oct 31 05:37:31 meta tap can equal tab Oct 31 05:37:31 wow Oct 31 05:37:48 meta? Oct 31 05:37:49 (unless it already does links then nvm) Oct 31 05:37:57 no, it doesnt Oct 31 05:38:09 not yet Oct 31 05:38:12 i mean, i just made it work Oct 31 05:38:20 oil is slacking Oct 31 05:38:23 lol Oct 31 05:38:38 oh no rush just figured it was 1 simple replace hehe. Oct 31 05:39:33 Wohoo Oct 31 05:40:31 text.replace(/(\b(https?):\/\/[-A-Z0-9+&@#\/%?=~_|$!:,.;]*[A-Z0-9+&@#\/%=~_|$]{3,})/i, '$1'); //(is the JS so you don't have to type it) Oct 31 05:40:36 I see a tab in quassel Oct 31 05:40:47 but not in wIRC Oct 31 05:40:49 What Oct 31 05:41:18 what what what Oct 31 05:41:21 wIRC works now? Oct 31 05:41:21 your last message was indented Oct 31 05:41:28 yeah Oct 31 05:41:34 oil, where is your favourite blogger's copy? Oct 31 05:42:12 Hi Oct 31 05:42:20 nick doesn't work? Oct 31 05:42:29 yet Oct 31 05:42:42 freakout: http://i34.tinypic.com/npouc2.png Oct 31 05:42:53 Is there a applications:wIRC for this on the wiki? Oct 31 05:43:01 That's a lovely screenshot Oct 31 05:43:07 IPK! IPK! IPK! Oct 31 05:43:15 * freakout doesn't like begging Oct 31 05:43:29 but I can make an exception here. Want me to dance for you? Oct 31 05:43:31 Sing a song? Oct 31 05:43:35 no wiki page Oct 31 05:43:44 Perform... "special"..... favours? Oct 31 05:43:52 freakout: i could make you an ipk of wirc Oct 31 05:43:54 there will be no ipk yet Oct 31 05:43:55 freakout: write a wiki page for it Oct 31 05:44:02 I'll trade Oct 31 05:44:08 but puff would need to do something withthe service Oct 31 05:44:09 wIRC is in git repo Oct 31 05:44:10 wiki page for ipk that I can write wiki about :p Oct 31 05:44:25 and I can paste the service bin Oct 31 05:44:28 i also need to uninstall the 1.3 SDK, which has borked itself stupid Oct 31 05:44:32 i think right now all the wiki would be is a todo list Oct 31 05:46:52 Good, that'll make it easy Oct 31 05:48:13 hey PuffTheMagic when does irc_run return Oct 31 05:48:38 egaudet: ? Oct 31 05:49:33 Gnite guys. Can't wait to download and try it. Will wait till it's in Preware though. Oil I pasted the script to replace the links above (not sure how exactly you have the other stuff implemented, but you get the jist I'm sure, would be a nice feature to see on release). Oct 31 05:50:11 nvm, I'll just go read the doc Oct 31 05:50:21 egaudet: oh i get the question Oct 31 05:50:29 when it gets a disconnect signal i think Oct 31 05:50:37 client_cmd_disconnect Oct 31 05:50:45 which calls irc_cmd_disconnect Oct 31 05:51:06 K let me see Oct 31 05:51:18 root beer floats ftw Oct 31 05:52:02 is there any luna command to disconnect? Oct 31 05:52:55 use /quit Oct 31 05:53:11 too late Oct 31 05:53:13 i card swiped Oct 31 05:53:50 well, killing the service will disconnect too Oct 31 05:54:14 * Templarian wonders what rick is up to at 2am... hmm. Oct 31 05:54:26 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:WIRC Oct 31 05:54:30 for those that wish to list out features Oct 31 05:54:43 I want to disconnect with service running Oct 31 05:54:56 so I can make sure the frees go right Oct 31 05:55:01 egaudet, you can /quit, or you can click the same button you did to connect to disconnect Oct 31 05:55:07 i have no card Oct 31 05:55:10 i swiped it away Oct 31 05:55:20 oil Oct 31 05:55:23 ? Oct 31 05:55:30 can we discuss a preware problem I'm having? Oct 31 05:55:34 sure Oct 31 05:55:52 I can not install the app catalog count patch. It doesn't COMPLAIN but it doesn't "take." Oct 31 05:56:04 hm Oct 31 05:56:09 it doesn't change anythig and it doesn't think it's installed it's always available Oct 31 05:56:10 i don't know much about patches Oct 31 05:56:50 this is more of an egaudet question Oct 31 05:56:56 ok Oct 31 05:56:58 Eric? Oct 31 05:57:35 when you hit to install does it correctly prompt for postinst? Oct 31 05:57:42 yes Oct 31 05:57:54 and then it says patch installed Oct 31 05:57:59 and gives you a remove button correct? Oct 31 05:58:16 yes Oct 31 05:59:00 then if you go back and go to installed pacakges -> patch Oct 31 05:59:06 do you see "show download count" in there Oct 31 05:59:39 nnevermind. Oct 31 05:59:46 btw when you said "it's always available" did that mean it's installable Oct 31 05:59:49 on try number 123 or 124, it worked. Oct 31 06:00:01 restart luna to see the effect I believe Oct 31 06:00:08 I have gone back to the list and it was listed as available over and over Oct 31 06:00:09 you are persistent hehe Oct 31 06:00:16 THIS TIME I had it show me the script Oct 31 06:00:20 THEN I said ok Oct 31 06:00:26 and apparently THAT let it run. Oct 31 06:00:32 so, NEVERMIND... Oct 31 06:00:40 odd Oct 31 06:01:01 btw, Simple Big Book is now at approx 1000 downloads, with nothing but 5 star reviews (except for the idiot who loves it but forgot to touch a star.) Oct 31 06:01:01 you may have been in the rare remount bug, but I guess that would have given you error so nevermind Oct 31 06:01:14 lol Oct 31 06:01:41 or lowering your rating for not being able to download or pay for it Oct 31 06:01:47 cause, thats totally the apps fault Oct 31 06:01:49 19 5 star reviews in a row. Oct 31 06:01:51 Pretty cool Oct 31 06:02:13 how much is that appN Oct 31 06:02:21 0.00 Oct 31 06:02:42 oil the text entry area in the channels needs to keep focus Oct 31 06:02:53 add your stuff to the todo list on the wiki Oct 31 06:02:53 xD Oct 31 06:03:06 there is nothing else that could get focus Oct 31 06:03:12 linky? Oct 31 06:03:28 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:WIRC Oct 31 06:03:41 have you pushed latelt Oct 31 06:04:04 hey, if all of the blocked "downloads" are purchases, i'm up $600 xD Oct 31 06:05:44 nice oil, you can pay for all those pics I've been handing out. :p Oct 31 06:06:00 lol Oct 31 06:06:54 marco hs 1031 downloads of screamager. That's a nice xmas bonus for him. Oct 31 06:07:18 * freakout-- has 1.3 working. finally Oct 31 06:07:19 lol Oct 31 06:07:33 how much is that going for? Oct 31 06:07:41 screamager is 0.99 Oct 31 06:07:52 but 88 downloads of RPN Calculator at 10 bucks. Oct 31 06:07:55 * oil will brb Oct 31 06:08:00 which is substantially more money Oct 31 06:08:18 indeed Oct 31 06:09:18 me I got $48 for pegged so far. which is more that the pegmeister guy has got and I have 2x his stars... :-) Oct 31 06:09:35 but the idiot guys witht he engine = car peg game have FOUR HUNDRED downloads. Oct 31 06:09:43 This seems unfair for a POS game. Oct 31 06:09:49 lol Oct 31 06:09:50 a _bad_ POS game. Oct 31 06:10:19 * Puffy_wIRC is glad he don't progran Oct 31 06:10:24 for food Oct 31 06:10:47 ooh /me works I wirc Oct 31 06:11:00 I have an even dozen so far :D Oct 31 06:11:13 but /notice does not Oct 31 06:11:22 * freakout-- wonders what /notice does Oct 31 06:11:25 oil slacker Oct 31 06:11:50 lol Oct 31 06:12:00 you mean screws up my xchat column? Oct 31 06:12:10 Notices are the same as PRIVMSGs but don't allow auto replies... Oct 31 06:12:16 Hence they're used by bots, etc. Oct 31 06:13:24 14px should be default font size Oct 31 06:13:40 * Puffy_wIRC adds to todos Oct 31 06:14:42 fairdinkum 0.4.3 released, using readlink in the prerm to make sure it doesn't remove a link that ipkgservice put there ... Oct 31 06:16:08 I'm ashamed to admit I haven't played with Preware for a bit Oct 31 06:16:17 The new dependencies stuff is lovely. Oct 31 06:18:12 Is there a way to copy a contact that is say, sourced from FB to another account? Oct 31 06:20:02 i wonder if i can add disable palm power management in wircD and enable select shit manually Oct 31 06:20:15 like keep data connection open Oct 31 06:20:22 but power down other shit Oct 31 06:21:12 Who wants a task? I need someone to rewrite the close slider patch (since it's not open source) from scratch, and add a preference in the phone options screen to turn it on or off, and to license it as open source. Oct 31 06:21:40 close slider patches should be banned Oct 31 06:21:46 lol Oct 31 06:21:52 they are such a bad idea Oct 31 06:21:55 PuffTheMagic, ever-helpful :p Oct 31 06:21:58 lol Oct 31 06:21:58 they're an awesome idea! Oct 31 06:22:08 if you ride the short bus maybe Oct 31 06:22:11 lol Oct 31 06:22:16 It's like Seinfeld said.... Oct 31 06:22:34 I'm surprised Puff just didn't say "close slider patches suck" Oct 31 06:22:56 ah, the other thing the new patch should do is check the proximity sensor, and only hang up if the phone is away from your face. Oct 31 06:23:06 PuffTheMagic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caDNtCG1WsE Oct 31 06:23:11 lingfish: no people who write close slider patches suck Oct 31 06:23:28 PuffTheMagic, looking pretty clean memleak wise Oct 31 06:23:36 Nobody answered me... is there good support for GIT now in Eclpse? Is that what most are using for an IDE? Oct 31 06:25:00 lingfish: please dont do that Oct 31 06:25:06 just use git from cli Oct 31 06:25:09 its not hard Oct 31 06:25:18 ipkgservice 0.9.11 is ready for alpha testing in the testing feed. Oct 31 06:25:32 it subsumes the functionality of the fair dinkum package Oct 31 06:25:40 PuffTheMagic: I wasn't necessarily saying I'd use it on your repo's... Oct 31 06:25:56 lingfish: yeah, there's good enough git support on eclipse Oct 31 06:26:02 lingfish: dont use it anywhere Oct 31 06:26:04 I guess the more direct questoin is what IDEs are you guys using? Oct 31 06:26:24 And any style guides? Oct 31 06:26:32 rwhitby: thanks Oct 31 06:26:41 PuffTheMagic: why? Oct 31 06:26:45 lingfish: emacs and scp here. some eclipse for services Oct 31 06:26:54 You make statements and don't back them up ;) Oct 31 06:27:04 rwhitby: k Oct 31 06:27:08 lingfish: cause u dont learn git with a git gui Oct 31 06:27:17 lingfish: and it is super slow on huge repos Oct 31 06:27:18 lingfish: palm-package and palm-install on the command line too Oct 31 06:27:33 PuffTheMagic: oh, trust me, I dn't need to learn a versioning system ;) I've coded a while. Oct 31 06:27:34 lingfish: and no gui can come close to implementing all the git features Oct 31 06:27:40 PuffTheMagic: have you ever used git in Eclipse? Oct 31 06:27:58 rwhitby: i tried the git plugin a while back Oct 31 06:28:05 I just don't like wasting time with shit that I don't need to waste time with. Oct 31 06:28:24 lingfish: if you think using git is a waste of time then you have an issue Oct 31 06:28:34 oh god. Oct 31 06:28:38 That's not what I meant. Oct 31 06:28:49 lingfish: around here we usually just ignore PuffTheMagic's opinions stated as absolute truths. Oct 31 06:29:03 i can see how alt+tab git commit -a is time consuming Oct 31 06:29:09 lol Oct 31 06:29:17 * freakout 's sarcasm detector just exploded Oct 31 06:29:19 lingfish: and in return he ignores mine too ;-) Oct 31 06:29:19 thanks Puff Oct 31 06:29:23 lol Oct 31 06:29:48 PuffTheMagic: See.. that's your opinion. I like integration when coding. Please deal with the fact that I have a differing opinion :P Oct 31 06:29:52 PuffTheMagic, btw the memset on callbacks isn't necessary since it's global it gets initialized to 0 I believe,, someone correct me if I'm wrong Oct 31 06:30:12 egaudet: i was following an example there Oct 31 06:30:16 * rwhitby is looking for testers for http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.11_all.ipk Oct 31 06:30:19 you are probably right Oct 31 06:31:15 rwhitby, I'm happy to, but maybe not much point since i'm on emu? Oct 31 06:31:34 (the fairdinkum stuff is what we're aiming to test, right?) Oct 31 06:31:35 and PuffTheMagic I'll declare wIRCd mem leak free Oct 31 06:31:36 freakout: app limit exists on emu too Oct 31 06:31:40 looks clean to me Oct 31 06:31:43 tested clean Oct 31 06:32:03 * oil wants patch that closes all open apps when the slider is closed Oct 31 06:32:20 ~punch oil Oct 31 06:32:20 when in doubt, valgrind? =) Oct 31 06:32:21 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches oil right on the nose Oct 31 06:32:32 lol Oct 31 06:32:39 that thread makes me lol whenever i think about it Oct 31 06:33:49 rwhitby: installing now Oct 31 06:34:01 * freakout is wondering whether to install Ubuntu netbook on his Eee Oct 31 06:34:30 * oil_wirc takes break from wirc to watch sgu Oct 31 06:34:32 freakout: did you have fairdinkum installed first? part of the test is that it removes fairdinkum Oct 31 06:34:49 nope. want me to load that up first? Oct 31 06:35:25 oil: oo, must do that myself. Oct 31 06:35:41 i'm on the 1.3 SDK fresh, so i have nothing installed yet. Oct 31 06:38:13 rwhitby: okeydoke, fair dinkum's on. Oct 31 06:38:25 rwhitby: now installing ipkgservice Oct 31 06:38:38 * freakout HATES his keyboard right now. tab button is broken Oct 31 06:38:50 Use ^I ;) Oct 31 06:39:05 lingfish: que? Oct 31 06:39:17 control-I Oct 31 06:39:22 = TAB Oct 31 06:42:27 * rwhitby bbl (laptop battery almost flat) Oct 31 06:44:16 nice work on the IRC app guys. it's really taking shape. Oct 31 06:46:11 rwhitby, so have you heard back from sam? Oct 31 06:49:04 egaudet: i was just talking with him aboot that before. not yet Oct 31 06:49:13 where is the wirc git repo? Oct 31 06:49:50 alright well I gotta get some sleep Oct 31 06:50:05 I'm going to do something productive tomorrow I hope! Oct 31 06:50:51 make wirc better? ;) Oct 31 06:50:54 freakout: its somewhat hidden Oct 31 06:51:03 hidden schmidden Oct 31 06:51:10 the preyourmind repo is old Oct 31 06:51:28 and the temporary one on webosinternals is hidden Oct 31 06:51:32 and only accessable via command Oct 31 06:51:42 ill whip ya up an ipk Oct 31 06:51:53 heh Oct 31 06:51:56 I have a reward for you Oct 31 06:51:58 but the service Oct 31 06:52:11 will need some command line in the emu Oct 31 06:52:15 didn't PuffTheMagic say he would past the bin? Oct 31 06:52:16 it doesn't run in teh background yet Oct 31 06:52:26 did anyone here download the sdk from palm for 1.3.1 before some utter ass-hat deleted it from dropbox? Oct 31 06:52:26 you run it, and it jsut sits there Oct 31 06:52:29 till you ctrl+c it Oct 31 06:52:29 windows 32 bit. Oct 31 06:52:36 lol Oct 31 06:52:38 i did rick Oct 31 06:52:46 how nice. Oct 31 06:52:47 Rick_work: i have it Oct 31 06:52:58 i could upload it somewhere Oct 31 06:53:04 its not small Oct 31 06:53:05 200mb Oct 31 06:53:08 could you either (a) push it back up to dropbox, or b) push it up to my ftp server? Oct 31 06:53:17 pm me creds Oct 31 06:53:20 I didn't EXPECT it to be small.... Oct 31 06:53:30 creds forthcoming. Oct 31 06:54:30 Rick_work: I will send it by carrier pigeon on an SD card if you like Oct 31 06:54:39 may be faster xD Oct 31 06:56:13 if you weren't in aus-freaking-stralia I would probably take you up on that. Oct 31 06:56:26 but I'll let oil suck his out-going bandwidth for a while. :-) Oct 31 06:58:45 you can run it with & oil Oct 31 06:58:49 wIRCd & Oct 31 06:58:56 or ctrl-z then bg to suspend then background it Oct 31 06:58:58 yeah Oct 31 07:04:22 k good night Oct 31 07:18:58 huzzah Oct 31 07:19:05 Indeed! Oct 31 07:20:53 Font size 13 seems to be the sweet spot. Oct 31 07:21:15 everyone has their own opinion Oct 31 07:21:17 hence the option to change it Oct 31 07:21:35 Yeah, but my opinion is the one that is correct. Oct 31 07:21:54 * freakout_wIRC thinks oil should lock out all other font sizes. Oct 31 07:22:17 puff posted on the todo list to make 14 the default Oct 31 07:22:27 * freakout_wIRC edits wiki Oct 31 07:23:44 * oil just deletes that from todo list Oct 31 07:23:56 * freakout_wIRC deletes oil Oct 31 07:24:11 not possible Oct 31 07:24:13 After all, I have wIRC now. Do we really need you anymore? XD Oct 31 07:24:24 you have something that barely works Oct 31 07:24:24 lol Oct 31 07:24:45 Who told you about my junk??!! Oct 31 07:24:50 ....oh, the app. Oct 31 07:26:48 heh Oct 31 07:33:40 rwhitby: ipkgservice is all good Oct 31 07:47:30 Oh, hello there! Oct 31 07:47:43 Hi freakout-centro Oct 31 07:47:52 I wondered what that lovely smell was! Oct 31 07:48:09 Yeah, I just had some onions. Oct 31 07:48:21 Sounds tasty. Oct 31 07:48:34 Damn straight. I could go with some onions on a burger right now. Oct 31 07:49:02 Speaking of "tasty", you're looking pretty damn fine, freakout. Oct 31 07:49:21 freakout-centro, freakout works out. Oct 31 07:49:41 And how! I bet I could bounce a coin off that ass. Oct 31 07:50:02 * freakout-centro bounces coin off freakout 's ass Oct 31 07:50:19 My, my. You two should get a room. Oct 31 07:50:34 Good idea freakout_wIRC. Care to join us? Oct 31 07:50:48 Tempting, but I have a date with oil. Oct 31 07:50:57 He's taking me seal clubbing. Oct 31 07:51:27 Fair enough. Catch you on the flip-flop! Oct 31 07:51:52 * freakout and freakout-centro walk off hand in hand, as freakout_wIRC watches wistfully. Oct 31 08:03:57 hmm Oct 31 08:09:01 mleh. Oct 31 08:24:18 * oil_wirc hits the sack Oct 31 09:21:04 rwhitby Oct 31 10:19:04 anyone else tested http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.11_all.ipk yet? you should have fair dinkum installed first, and it should remove it automatically (since the functionality is in that new version of ipkgservice) Oct 31 10:27:10 ipkgservice 0.9.11 released, supercedes fairdinkum. Oct 31 10:55:39 hello there. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 31 11:39:06 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 31 11:39:30 2009 Oct 31 11:48:17 rwhitby: kudos Oct 31 11:48:31 rwhitby: will blog about it later, along with wIRC, if i find the time Oct 31 11:49:36 freakout: the reason is that 1.3.1 still does the "ipkg -o /var list" to see what applications are installed, and with ipkg feeds installed that lists all *available* applications rather than all *installed* applications. Oct 31 11:50:36 rwhity: still. You wouldn't think that would be a terrible difficult change to make would you. Oct 31 11:50:42 The ipkg command to list installed applications is "ipgk -o /var list_installed" Oct 31 11:50:57 rwhitby: in the same vein of "if i find the time", are Puff, eguadet and destinal (aside from yourself) the most cluey people to talk to about native services on webOS? Oct 31 11:51:26 Making the change is easy. I expect that convincing QA to accept the change is the hard bit, since the change is not required if you're not running homebrew. Oct 31 11:51:50 freakout: yes Oct 31 11:52:43 rwhitby: cool bananas. before i run away for a bit, a question for you on that Oct 31 11:53:10 How much would your own efforts at making native services webOS-friendly be helped by a proper native SDK? Oct 31 11:53:36 heaps Oct 31 11:53:59 just generally, could you name a couple of areas? Oct 31 11:58:42 Can someone help with this problem: I updated Package Manager and Fair Dinkum this morning, went to App Catalog and now get Not Enough Space error. I read up on MVAPP, installed it, ran mvapp bulkmv from Terminal. Move my larger apps. My store-var size is 162024, but I still get the error in the App Catalog. I did restart Luna and the phone Oct 31 11:59:03 Hi Ramer84015 Oct 31 11:59:15 Ramer84015: do you have a command line access on your Pre? Oct 31 11:59:35 (e.g. via ssh, or novaterm, or WebOS Quick Install, or Terminal ?) Oct 31 11:59:48 I have Terminal installed. Oct 31 12:00:30 Ramer84015: are you able to access via novaterm or the Linux commandline screen in WebOS Quick Install? Oct 31 12:00:44 (what I'm about to get you to do will be very painful using Terminal) Oct 31 12:01:11 you need something where you can cut and paste the output of commands to http://webos.pastebin.com Oct 31 12:02:23 I have quick install. I'll need to put the phone in dev mode. I'm a rookie with Linux, but I can follow instructions. I'm an old DOS hound :). I'm putting phone in dev mode now. Oct 31 12:04:11 Ramer84015: I need you to run "ls -l /usr/local/bin" Oct 31 12:04:51 I'm still waiting on phone to restart, do I enter that command in Terminal? Oct 31 12:05:07 Phone has restarted... Oct 31 12:06:02 Is that command ran from Terminal or in quick install? Oct 31 12:06:17 Ramer84015: Linux command line in quick install is probably easiest to cut and paste from Oct 31 12:07:25 Did it Oct 31 12:07:50 what was the output? Oct 31 12:08:31 There's 3 lines: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 68 Oct 31 04:53 ipkg -> /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/files/ipkg lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 57 Oct 31 05:27 mvapp -> /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.mvapp/mvapp -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 591232 Sep 29 18:41 wifi-mfg-labtool Oct 31 12:09:23 Ramer84015: ls -l /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/files/ipkg Oct 31 12:10:15 Entered Oct 31 12:10:24 what was the output? Oct 31 12:10:56 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 515 Oct 31 04:24 /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/files/ipkg Oct 31 12:11:19 Ramer84015: I will have an ipkgservice update for you to install in a couple of minutes. Can you wait? Oct 31 12:11:35 Thanks, sure can :) Oct 31 12:11:41 Ramer84015: update your feeds, and accept the Package Manager Service update to 0.9.12 Oct 31 12:12:24 In Preware or quick install? Oct 31 12:12:32 Ramer84015: always in Preware Oct 31 12:14:37 Done and restarting Luna, should I check the App Catalog next? Oct 31 12:14:41 yes Oct 31 12:15:17 it was restarting Java, not Luna, correct? Oct 31 12:16:28 Not sure, it didn't actually restart on it's own, I ran Luna Manager manually. Should I restart my phone? Oct 31 12:17:07 when you clicked update on Package Manager Service in Preware, it would have said it was going to restart Java and given you an OK button to press. Oct 31 12:17:11 Nothing else is required. Oct 31 12:17:32 you would have seen your cellular connection drop when Java was restated. Oct 31 12:17:35 restarted Oct 31 12:18:23 It did do that.. and YES, the App Catalog likes me again. Thanks. Would this have been a problem for a lot of people today that the last Package manager now fixes? Oct 31 12:22:00 Ramer84015: yes. thanks for reporting it and coming here to help debug it. Oct 31 12:22:30 Ramer84015: and please post that 0.9.12 has fixed the problem for you. Oct 31 12:23:00 Glad I was able to help. Last question: Will I have to do anything about the apps that I moved before the next webOS update? Oct 31 12:25:21 Done, and saw your posts as well. Oct 31 12:27:16 Ramer84015: a webOS update should not affect moved apps, since webOS updates don't update apps in /var Oct 31 12:28:22 Great, thanks again. Oct 31 13:44:52 hi, I installed the new package manager service this morning, and now the app catalog is complaining about the memory limit. If I remove the package manager service, the app catalog works again without problems. Oct 31 13:45:19 I'm using 0.9.12 Oct 31 13:45:31 dannns-guest: ok, can you get a command line so we can debug this? Oct 31 13:45:45 sure Oct 31 13:46:03 you'll need to be able to paste the output of commands that I get you to run Oct 31 13:46:17 I have putty ready Oct 31 13:46:24 please install the Package Manager Service again, and run the following: Oct 31 13:46:33 "ls -l /usr/local/bin/ipkg" Oct 31 13:47:00 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 68 Oct 31 09:35 /usr/local/bin/ipkg -> /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/files/ipkg Oct 31 13:47:35 good. Oct 31 13:47:42 "which ipkg" Oct 31 13:48:05 "/usr/local/bin/ipkg" Oct 31 13:48:09 good Oct 31 13:48:18 "ipkg -o /var list_installed | wc -l" Oct 31 13:48:40 43 Oct 31 13:49:02 can you pastebin the output of "ipkg -o /var list_installed" at webos.pastebin.com please? Oct 31 13:50:28 http://webos.pastebin.com/m36ee50a0 Oct 31 13:51:09 dannns-guest: first, uninstall autopatch feed Oct 31 13:51:17 (it's not related, but it's not obsolete) Oct 31 13:51:27 s/not obsolete/now obsolete/ Oct 31 13:51:27 rwhitby meant: (it's not related, but it's now obsolete) Oct 31 13:51:36 dannns-guest: "ls -l /var/etc/ipkg" Oct 31 13:51:40 I understood that :) Oct 31 13:52:31 (another pastebin, whenever the output is more than one line thanks) Oct 31 13:53:29 after removing autopatch feed. http://webos.pastebin.com/m3703118 Oct 31 13:53:38 dannns-guest: now, I need to you have "dbus-util --capture com.palm.appinstaller" running while you try and install something using the app catalog, and I'll need you to pastebin the output. Oct 31 13:53:55 cool Oct 31 13:54:04 dannns-guest: good to see you judiciously disabling feed ;-) Oct 31 13:56:11 dannns-guest: if dbus-util returns immediately, just run it again Oct 31 13:56:17 morning from wIRC Oct 31 13:56:18 the dbus-util command is not working Oct 31 13:57:05 ok, now it does, wasn't root Oct 31 13:57:46 * rwhitby is glad to have someone with this specific problem that knows what they are doing ... Oct 31 13:58:02 thanks :-) Oct 31 13:58:20 http://webos.pastebin.com/m74e7293e Oct 31 14:00:45 dannns-guest: ok, that "result":2 means that the app catalog thinks it is out of space. Oct 31 14:01:18 dannns-guest: "du -s /var/usr/palm/applications" and "df /var" please Oct 31 14:01:36 dannns-guest: have you ever used strace before? Oct 31 14:01:57 rhitby: no I have not Oct 31 14:02:20 dannns-guest: have you heard of strace before? Oct 31 14:02:29 just the name, nothing else Oct 31 14:02:36 dannns-guest: can you use vi ? Oct 31 14:02:48 nano only, sorry Oct 31 14:03:05 dannns-guest: nano is fine - do you have it loaded? Oct 31 14:03:22 http://webos.pastebin.com/m78029e1e Oct 31 14:03:26 yeah, I have it installed Oct 31 14:04:16 dannns-guest: I need you to edit /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/files/ipkg and remove the # comment characters from lines 8, 9, and 10. Save a copy of the file first, so you can reinstate it later. Oct 31 14:05:03 dannns-guest: ok, your free space on /var is less than 100MiB, which is why the app catalog is refusing to install. Oct 31 14:05:45 I see, kinda strange, I even removed Word Ace which is a memory hog Oct 31 14:05:50 dannns-guest: once you have edited the file, try the app catalog install again, and then paste the contents of /tmp/ipkg-called Oct 31 14:06:46 dannns-guest: so we know why app catalog will refuse to install with package manager service loaded, but we don't know why it allows the install when package manager service is not loaded. We'll determine that now ... Oct 31 14:07:03 but let's see /tmp/ipkg-called first ... Oct 31 14:07:28 well, maybe I'm borderline to the limit, and removing both preware and the service, made enough free space for it to work? Oct 31 14:08:03 dannns-guest: yeah, we'll be checking that :-) Oct 31 14:08:30 http://webos.pastebin.com/m7ffdc4cc Oct 31 14:09:47 dannns-guest: ok, now please uninstall the package manager service and preware, and show us the output of "df /var" please Oct 31 14:10:29 dannns-guest: uninstalling ipkgservice will remove the file you edited, so don't bother putting it back and you can remove the saved copy you made Oct 31 14:11:04 I see, now my command line says that I'm on a folder (unknown), haha Oct 31 14:11:34 avaliable space: 97408 62% used Oct 31 14:12:39 dannns-guest: ok, can you pastebin the output of the previous dbus-util command while trying to install again now? Oct 31 14:13:50 wait, my screen froze, ssh still works, but the screen doesn't come up, gona have to reboot Oct 31 14:14:48 dannns-guest: don't reboot Oct 31 14:15:04 ah, sorry :-/, too late Oct 31 14:15:18 dannns-guest: ok, no worries Oct 31 14:16:32 dannns-guest: the screen freeze is expected. what happens is that the queryInstallCapacity method you saw in the dbus-util output actually calls "ipkg -o /var list" instead of "ipkg -o /var list_installed" and then it tries to add up all the space from the list of applications that it gets. That's over 300 executions of "du". Oct 31 14:16:46 dannns-guest: the ipkg wrapper we put in place stops it from doing that. Oct 31 14:17:05 haha Oct 31 14:17:54 dannns-guest: but if you have removed the package manager service, then ipkg -o /var list shouldn't return all the packages from the feeds, so it shouldn't hang. hmm. Oct 31 14:18:10 let me try that myself while you're rebooting. Oct 31 14:18:26 dannns-guest: what did you use to remove the package manager service? Oct 31 14:19:17 WOSQI Oct 31 14:19:40 dannns-guest: which version of WOSQI ? Oct 31 14:20:08 2.82 Oct 31 14:21:24 http://webos.pastebin.com/m291573f3 Oct 31 14:23:34 dannns-guest: what's the output of "df /var" right now? Oct 31 14:24:04 97024 available 62% used Oct 31 14:24:21 dannns-guest: how much time do you have? Oct 31 14:24:43 it's almost 1am here ;-), but I want to solve this mystery. Oct 31 14:24:56 well, I should be fine for a couple of hours, haven't had breakfast yet Oct 31 14:25:09 dannns-guest: oh, I'm thinking 30 mins max Oct 31 14:25:22 do you want direct ssh access over evdo? Oct 31 14:25:51 dannns-guest: let's try a couple of things first. I've tried that before and it's painful from australia. Oct 31 14:26:12 dannns-guest: please reinstall ipkgservice and preware, and edit the ipkg file again Oct 31 14:27:03 dannns-guest: actually, before you do that ... Oct 31 14:27:22 ok, now you got me in time Oct 31 14:27:30 dannns-guest: what does "ipkg -o /var list | wc -l" and "ipkg -o /var list_installed | wc -l" say ? Oct 31 14:28:35 both say 41 Oct 31 14:28:38 good. Oct 31 14:28:44 dannns-guest: please reinstall ipkgservice and preware, and edit the ipkg file again Oct 31 14:29:56 dannns-guest: my theory is that if the combined size of the installed apps is less than 64MiB, then it doesn't bother with the free space check. Oct 31 14:30:33 ok, done Oct 31 14:30:37 your installed size is under 20MiB, but your free space is less than 100MiB Oct 31 14:30:42 correct? Oct 31 14:31:16 yes, I'm using about 11MiB Oct 31 14:32:02 dannns-guest: on line 14 of the ipkg wrapper script, remove the # which comments out the exec command Oct 31 14:32:13 that will cause the script to run ipk -o /var list_installed Oct 31 14:32:27 (usually, it returns an empty list to save time) Oct 31 14:32:49 ok, now should I uninstall that test app, and reinstall it? Oct 31 14:33:09 dannns-guest: yes, and capture the dbus-util output while you do it Oct 31 14:33:17 ok Oct 31 14:34:34 now it appears to be installing Oct 31 14:35:06 http://webos.pastebin.com/m7a8fd343 Oct 31 14:36:25 *very* interesting Oct 31 14:37:04 should I comment that exec command and try again? Oct 31 14:37:09 yes please Oct 31 14:37:18 back and forth twice to prove it Oct 31 14:38:29 yes, it did not install now Oct 31 14:38:56 same result:2 in dbus Oct 31 14:40:05 uncommented again, and it worked Oct 31 14:43:13 dannns-guest: can you try an experiment for me? Oct 31 14:43:24 yes Oct 31 14:43:26 dannns-guest: comment out the exec line, and add another line after it Oct 31 14:45:15 echo "org.webosinternals.ipkgservice - 1.0 - Dummy Package" Oct 31 14:45:31 put that after the commented-out exec, but before the exit Oct 31 14:45:46 then see if the package will install Oct 31 14:46:33 no, that did not do it Oct 31 14:47:53 so you had package manager service and preware installed, and that line in the ipkg wrapper script, and the package would not install? Oct 31 14:48:09 right Oct 31 14:48:15 can you pastebin the ipkg script for verification please? Oct 31 14:48:44 http://webos.pastebin.com/m6cd78a3d Oct 31 14:51:39 dannns-guest: do you have a dbus-util output of it failing in that case? Oct 31 14:52:51 let me get that. I was trying adding a new line after that echo command, but that did not do it either Oct 31 14:53:38 the dbus output is the same, should I pastebin it? Oct 31 14:53:58 please Oct 31 14:54:55 dannns-guest: do you know how to get a process id from ps -ef ? Oct 31 14:55:24 dannns-guest: and can you get two command line connections on the Pre for this next bit please ... Oct 31 14:55:42 http://webos.pastebin.com/m67dc2393 Oct 31 14:57:00 dannns-guest: let me know when you're ready for some strace'ing ... Oct 31 14:57:10 ready... Oct 31 14:58:22 you've got two command lines, cause you'll need to kill it from a second one ... Oct 31 14:58:34 yes, I've opened a second one Oct 31 14:59:21 dannns-guest: ok, the script still has the echo line in it? Oct 31 14:59:42 yes, checked again to make sure Oct 31 15:00:15 run "strace -p 1205 -F -f -s 1024 2>&1 | grep du" Oct 31 15:00:19 but Oct 31 15:00:31 replace 1205 with the process id of the LunaSysMgr process Oct 31 15:00:35 you can get that with "ps -ef" Oct 31 15:00:39 ok Oct 31 15:01:39 running... Oct 31 15:01:46 note that this is going to hang the UI of your phone, and you'll need to reboot afterwards. Oct 31 15:02:13 deep experimentation Oct 31 15:02:16 ok, now try and install the app, and capture the calls to "du" by LunaSysMgr - there should be just a couple Oct 31 15:03:11 http://webos.pastebin.com/m5452519b Oct 31 15:04:24 going to reboot phone now... Oct 31 15:04:27 dannns-guest: and it still refused to install? Oct 31 15:04:38 yes, it refused to install it Oct 31 15:04:59 ok, put the ipkg script back to the commented out exec line Oct 31 15:05:04 and then reboot Oct 31 15:05:37 so, comment echo and uncomment exec? Oct 31 15:06:24 remove echo and comment exec. should be commented out exec followed by an exit Oct 31 15:06:35 (I'm going to give you a package manager service upgrade in the feed soon) Oct 31 15:07:00 how about the first 3 echo lines, comment those? Oct 31 15:07:11 yes, they should be commented. Oct 31 15:07:32 the file should be replaced by the ipkgservice upgrade I'm going to give you, so it doesn't matter much Oct 31 15:08:50 dannns-guest: after the reboot, update your preware feeds and update package manager service to 0.9.13 please Oct 31 15:09:13 ok, I'll let you know Oct 31 15:09:50 dannns-guest: you don't happen to have a webOS 1.1.3 GSM Pre do you? Oct 31 15:10:03 no, its 1.2.1 CDMA Oct 31 15:10:17 ok, I would have had something else for you to test for me if you did ;-) Oct 31 15:12:48 dannns-guest: let me know how long it pauses between hitting the "download" button in the app catalog, and the progress bar actually starting to download ... Oct 31 15:13:17 yeah, it used to be really slow before Oct 31 15:14:42 it took about 3 seconds, and worked!!!! Oct 31 15:15:25 rwhitby: you are the second Australian genius that I know Oct 31 15:16:23 dannns-guest: the pause will be proportional to the amount of installed apps, but should be fairly short now. Oct 31 15:16:41 dannns-guest: so 0.9.13 should now work perfectly for you and many others who had this unexplained problem. Oct 31 15:16:46 yeah, not compared to the minute that it used to be Oct 31 15:16:53 dannns-guest: thank you for coming in here and helping us debug it. Oct 31 15:17:21 thank you for making those mods, they are great. Oct 31 15:18:51 rwhitby: have a good night, now time for breakfast... Oct 31 15:19:23 Can I have my IRC program now/ Oct 31 15:20:33 dannns-guest: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2009018 Oct 31 15:20:43 rwhitby: ?? Oct 31 15:20:53 its 2am Oct 31 15:21:11 cool, can you change my nickname to dannns though? Oct 31 15:21:11 dBsooner: it's always 2am somewhere in the world ;-) Oct 31 15:21:24 dannns-guest: no, but you probably can ... Oct 31 15:21:32 I mean on the post Oct 31 15:21:36 oh, ok. Oct 31 15:21:47 done Oct 31 15:21:51 I know, the thing is that I'm using the web irc, and didn't want to authenticate Oct 31 15:21:52 thanks Oct 31 15:21:56 Is wIRC in preware yet? Oct 31 15:22:12 oh, IRC on the pre??? !!! :-D Oct 31 15:22:18 rwhitby: I know it is. But it is 2am in Adelaide. Oct 31 15:22:26 PuffTheMagic: ! Where's my copy? Oct 31 15:22:48 * Templarian just woke up at a nice 11:22am :P Oct 31 15:22:56 it's 10:22 here Oct 31 15:23:00 dBsooner: close the wIRC repo and install it Oct 31 15:23:02 Templarian, dBsooner: it's open source - just build and install it. Oct 31 15:23:09 PuffTheMagic: consider it done Oct 31 15:23:19 PuffTheMagic: where is the repo? Oct 31 15:23:32 rwhitby: I'm far to lazy. Oct 31 15:23:36 dBsooner: here is the services "wget http://omploader.org/vMm53Ng -O wIRDd" Oct 31 15:23:36 s/where is the/which/ Oct 31 15:23:37 dBsooner meant: PuffTheMagic: which repo? Oct 31 15:23:49 And the front end? Oct 31 15:23:55 dBsooner: it's 2am here cause I've spent the last hour with dannns-guest fixing the app install limit bug Oct 31 15:24:18 dBsooner: ahh.. with FairDinkum? Oct 31 15:24:20 dBsooner: git://git.webos-internals.org/tmp/wIRC.git Oct 31 15:24:36 dBsooner: fairdinkum is now superceded by ipkgservice 0.9.13 Oct 31 15:24:53 rwhitby: very cool.. so I can uninstall fairdinkum? Oct 31 15:25:06 rwhitby: did you add an "A" option to mvapp? Oct 31 15:25:20 PuffTheMagic: should that be -O wIRCd ? Oct 31 15:25:33 yes Oct 31 15:25:37 well Oct 31 15:25:39 dont matter Oct 31 15:25:40 but yet Oct 31 15:25:50 call it what ever you want Oct 31 15:25:54 run it from where ever you want ;) Oct 31 15:26:01 lol Oct 31 15:26:08 wIRDd makes more sense Oct 31 15:26:08 ;) Oct 31 15:26:15 cuz it's werd Oct 31 15:27:12 where do I put wIRCd? Oct 31 15:28:32 where ever you want Oct 31 15:28:43 on the Pre Oct 31 15:28:56 yeah Oct 31 15:28:58 lol Oct 31 15:29:20 I know.. but where.. /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.wirc/?? Oct 31 15:30:30 sigh Oct 31 15:30:38 I have to download the SDK to build the package Oct 31 15:31:11 u were talking about the gui? Oct 31 15:31:17 u kept saying wIRCd Oct 31 15:31:43 dBsooner: dont you have ipkg-utils? Oct 31 15:31:48 hmm Oct 31 15:31:49 probably Oct 31 15:31:58 I am talking about both PuffTheMagic Oct 31 15:32:20 oil: nick/handle should allow '-' Oct 31 15:32:25 wIRCd can run from anywhere on the pre Oct 31 15:32:36 rwhitby: are you testing wIRC? Oct 31 15:32:41 yep Oct 31 15:32:50 on pre or emu? Oct 31 15:32:50 PuffTheMagic: so I have to fire off wIRCd from terminal? Oct 31 15:33:03 dBsooner: yeah till i make a ipk and event.d file Oct 31 15:33:12 PuffTheMagic: pre Oct 31 15:33:29 PuffTheMagic: ./wIRCd & Oct 31 15:33:32 ^^? Oct 31 15:33:43 if u want to background it sure Oct 31 15:33:47 shrug Oct 31 15:34:16 where is the link for SDK 1.3.1? Oct 31 15:34:24 on the left Oct 31 15:34:29 All I see is 1.2.0 on developer.palm.com Oct 31 15:34:36 oh idk Oct 31 15:34:40 does it matter? Oct 31 15:34:52 dBsooner: private beta Oct 31 15:35:08 guess its for special people only Oct 31 15:35:09 dBsooner: send chuq an email, as requested on the PDN blog Oct 31 15:35:32 rwhitby: thank you. Oct 31 15:35:37 PuffTheMagic: seems to be anyone who read the blog and sent chuq and email ... Oct 31 15:35:51 i dont do blogs ;) Oct 31 15:36:11 1.3.1 is including a lot of stuff from webOS-Internals Oct 31 15:36:16 PuffTheMagic: you don't do a lot of things, and then wonder why you don't get stuff ;-) Oct 31 15:36:34 dBsooner: is that a question or a statement? Oct 31 15:36:47 both Oct 31 15:36:54 At least our ideas. Oct 31 15:37:05 http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=webossoftware&thread.id=10852 Oct 31 15:37:07 rwhitby: no i wasnt wondering why.... i really dont care about using 1.3.1 since i really dony use the sdk/emu Oct 31 15:37:30 PuffTheMagic: your "guess its for special people only" said otherwise ... Oct 31 15:37:43 heh, I'm not the only one who missed it, then Oct 31 15:38:06 rwhitby: it must be early/late for you if your sarcasm/wise-ass detector isnt working Oct 31 15:39:52 PuffTheMagic: no, but my jealous-but-doesn't-want-to-show-it detector is working fine ... Oct 31 15:39:54 rwhitby: so you testing in emu or pre... cause i have a new version of the service Oct 31 15:40:00 LOL Oct 31 15:40:02 PuffTheMagic: pre Oct 31 15:40:17 rwhitby: you should download that link i pasted to dBsooner then Oct 31 15:40:22 PuffTheMagic: just did Oct 31 15:40:52 seems to work very nicely for the current state of development Oct 31 15:41:27 does adding /msg need to touch just the service or the app as well? Oct 31 15:41:28 * PuffTheMagic just got channel mode to show up in the channel header/title :D Oct 31 15:41:45 (to /msg nickserv and get op from the Pre ...) Oct 31 15:41:49 rwhitby: yes /msg is a dcc chat and i havent implemented that Oct 31 15:42:01 rwhitby: /query "might" work though Oct 31 15:42:31 /query is supported in service already Oct 31 15:42:52 so if its not added in the gui yet then it can be Oct 31 15:43:11 I'll try that tomorrow (well, later today) after sleep. Oct 31 15:43:15 dcc chat and file transfer will come after a 1.0.0 release Oct 31 15:43:31 do a luna-send if oil hasn't added it to the front-end by then Oct 31 15:43:51 rwhitby: im working on the gui also fyi Oct 31 15:44:00 rwhitby: add your todo's to the wiki Oct 31 15:44:08 PuffTheMagic: will do Oct 31 15:47:29 dBsooner: pull wIRC again if you want channel mode in header :D Oct 31 15:47:58 ok Oct 31 15:49:09 same link? Oct 31 15:49:19 gui not service Oct 31 15:49:20 git pull Oct 31 15:49:23 ohh Oct 31 15:49:32 pulled Oct 31 15:49:35 tanks Oct 31 15:49:39 brb.. getting donuts Oct 31 15:49:47 i guess i could push the service in the repo too Oct 31 15:49:56 service repo that is Oct 31 15:50:11 why can't you just push the service to the wIRC repo Oct 31 15:50:14 and just send it out in there for now Oct 31 15:50:30 i dont really like binaries in the git repos Oct 31 15:50:35 oh Oct 31 15:50:35 as a general rule of thumb Oct 31 15:50:41 well violate it for now Oct 31 15:50:45 but if it were anywhere it would be in the wIRCd repo Oct 31 15:51:37 dBsooner-Donuts: you're asking someone to violate the GPL ... PuffTheMagic will at least need to put up a written notice that he will supply the source to someone on a CD for postage and handling ... ;-) Oct 31 15:52:14 mvapp 0.3.0 is released Oct 31 15:52:15 rwhitby: everything in the binary is GPL Oct 31 15:52:19 so posting shouldnt be an issue Oct 31 15:52:31 liblunaservice.so is dynamic and NOT in the binary Oct 31 15:53:00 PuffTheMagic: because everything in the binary is GPL, then the source and build scripts have to all be there too Oct 31 15:53:13 ohhh i see what you are saying Oct 31 15:53:14 (or a written offer to supply) Oct 31 15:55:09 rwhitby: fyi, it appears querys are not yet supported in the gui Oct 31 15:56:53 * rwhitby bbl (at least 5 hrs) Oct 31 16:04:03 heya Oct 31 16:27:53 kesne: aww you missed all the fun last night :D Oct 31 16:28:19 last night? shoot it's still going.. Oct 31 16:28:25 lol Oct 31 16:28:29 * dBsooner-Donuts searches for ipkg-utils Oct 31 16:31:51 lol Oct 31 16:31:54 dBsooner: i will make you a damn ipkg Oct 31 16:31:57 it's in build/toolchain Oct 31 16:32:04 once i test this change Oct 31 16:32:07 mmk Oct 31 16:32:09 dBsooner: u can get it from other places Oct 31 16:32:15 besides the git repo Oct 31 16:32:19 ipkg-utils is on the web Oct 31 16:32:44 test the change Oct 31 16:34:07 got the MOTD to show up all pretty :D Oct 31 16:34:44 wget http://omploader.org/vMm53cQ -O ws.junk.wirc_0.0.1_all.ipk Oct 31 16:36:22 :D Oct 31 16:36:38 that have wIRCd in it? ;) Oct 31 16:36:42 j/k Oct 31 16:36:43 nope Oct 31 16:36:51 * dBsooner fires up ssh Oct 31 16:36:52 MOTD looks best at font size 10 :D Oct 31 16:39:39 PuffTheMagic: i have to figure out how to get one of these Oct 31 16:40:09 :D Oct 31 16:40:17 ni|: did you get the sdk up on macos? Oct 31 16:40:22 yep Oct 31 16:40:24 its nice Oct 31 16:40:30 i'm really excited they used open source tools Oct 31 16:40:40 granted i wish it was not vbox since i have vmware fusion 3.0 Oct 31 16:40:47 did you figure out how to get a terminal opened to it? Oct 31 16:41:02 not really Oct 31 16:41:04 i think someone got it working with qemu Oct 31 16:41:09 i was writing a library in c for the company i work for Oct 31 16:41:22 so i can just call everything i need outside Oct 31 16:41:25 ;) took my advice on that huh :D Oct 31 16:41:39 well it was going to happen for all the different versions we have Oct 31 16:41:47 i liked that idea :) Oct 31 16:41:55 yeah it makes sense Oct 31 16:42:18 800 bucks is steep Oct 31 16:42:25 its 1000euro right Oct 31 16:42:27 yeah sorta crazy Oct 31 16:42:41 just go with sprint Oct 31 16:42:45 nope Oct 31 16:42:47 call it a day Oct 31 16:43:00 gsm ftw Oct 31 16:43:23 plus i save 400 bucks in a year if i don't do the sprint Oct 31 16:43:27 so u can have a sim card... big deal Oct 31 16:43:37 no so i can have my current plan..._big_ deal Oct 31 16:43:56 can you explain how the phone works with 3g Oct 31 16:44:02 it is triband on 3g Oct 31 16:44:07 and quad on edge? Oct 31 16:44:11 how would u save, unlimited data/text plan on sprint is like 100x12 = 1200 + ~150 for phone Oct 31 16:44:22 that is way cheaper than 800 for a phone Oct 31 16:44:22 PuffTheMagic: not numbers of -'s? Oct 31 16:44:23 in username? Oct 31 16:44:27 plus your contract Oct 31 16:44:32 dBsooner: ? Oct 31 16:44:46 I can't put a "-" or a number in my username Oct 31 16:44:57 yeah... i hear Oct 31 16:45:02 dBsooner: oil did that Oct 31 16:45:07 i will get fixed Oct 31 16:45:12 i was looking at it now Oct 31 16:45:15 was thinking about fixing Oct 31 16:45:59 is there novacom for macos? Oct 31 16:46:22 PuffTheMagic: ? Oct 31 16:46:49 ni|: forget about that Oct 31 16:46:54 get webos quick install Oct 31 16:47:06 and install preware and ipkgservice Oct 31 16:47:08 Lookie here.. Oct 31 16:47:17 can that even be done on the mac too? Oct 31 16:47:30 dBsooner_Pre: :D Oct 31 16:47:39 PuffTheMagic: are you talking to me? Oct 31 16:47:49 sorta Oct 31 16:47:53 so u and the channel Oct 31 16:48:18 well i need to figure out how to get my hands on some monies Oct 31 16:48:38 strip club Oct 31 16:49:04 found a problem Oct 31 16:49:27 dBsooner_Pre: problem or missing feature? Oct 31 16:49:31 I'm not getting any messages. Oct 31 16:50:24 Screen went to sleep though. When I woke it up. I see no messages except what I put. Oct 31 16:50:36 ok i'm going to eat Oct 31 16:50:52 PuffTheMagic: i think i'm going to try to figure out how to write the dexrex app today Oct 31 16:51:01 and get some custom stuff ready Oct 31 16:51:09 Still no messages.. Oct 31 16:51:11 ni|: im here for service questions Oct 31 16:52:17 odd Oct 31 16:52:23 ni|: you need to get some other basics working first though Oct 31 16:52:23 Was it because I let the screen go to sleep? Oct 31 16:52:31 dBsooner: maybe Oct 31 16:52:37 dBsooner: im plugged in Oct 31 16:52:44 ahh Oct 31 16:53:17 So there needs to be a way for wIRC to still grab messages from wIRCd while screen is off Oct 31 16:53:56 ummm Oct 31 16:54:16 ok well i have to eat first Oct 31 16:54:21 when you say "screen is off" do you mean "device is sleeping" Oct 31 16:54:30 cause when it sleeps the data connection closes too i beleive Oct 31 16:54:37 no it doesn't. Oct 31 16:54:42 because I get emails Oct 31 16:54:48 which means data is always open Oct 31 16:54:55 otherwise push email wouldn't work. ;) Oct 31 16:54:56 dBsooner: wrong Oct 31 16:55:12 dBsooner: the mail service might use a timer to wake up and check for mail Oct 31 16:55:15 then go back to sleep Oct 31 16:55:19 oh Oct 31 16:55:25 well anyway.. you need to be able to control that Oct 31 16:55:32 yeah yeah Oct 31 16:55:34 that's how irc works on other devices Oct 31 16:55:38 close the channel card Oct 31 16:55:41 then join again Oct 31 16:55:42 phone can sleep Oct 31 16:55:44 it shuld be updated Oct 31 16:55:53 cause closing a card does not part you from channels yet Oct 31 16:56:24 if (String.fromCharCode(test).match(/^[\x41-\x7D][-\d\x41-\x7D]*$/)) Oct 31 16:56:29 that needs to change Oct 31 16:56:49 that's the this.validChars Oct 31 16:56:54 for username Oct 31 16:57:16 yeah... there is a function in the library that cleans up the long userhostmasks into pretty nicks Oct 31 16:57:21 which i havnt told oil about yet Oct 31 16:58:15 wtf Oct 31 16:58:20 why didnt the card spawn Oct 31 16:58:58 there we go Oct 31 17:01:50 PuffTheMagic: What did I miss? Oct 31 17:12:02 man I wish I would have learned preg matching more Oct 31 17:12:44 or should I say regular expressions Oct 31 17:13:24 kesne: can u ssh into your pre? Oct 31 17:13:29 or novaterm is? Oct 31 17:13:31 s/is/it/ Oct 31 17:13:31 PuffTheMagic meant: or novaterm it? Oct 31 17:13:40 PuffTheMagic: I guess Oct 31 17:13:43 Why? Oct 31 17:13:56 kesne: well i havent made a ipk for the service yet Oct 31 17:14:02 so if youw ant to try it Oct 31 17:14:07 Aye Oct 31 17:14:08 you need to run it manually Oct 31 17:14:15 If you tell me what I need to do I can Oct 31 17:14:37 PuffTheMagic: teach me reqular expressions Oct 31 17:16:05 dBsooner: i suck at them Oct 31 17:16:08 kesne: wget http://omploader.org/vMm53cQ -O ws.junk.wirc_0.0.1_all.ipk Oct 31 17:16:14 kesne: install that however you want Oct 31 17:16:28 kesne, you any good at regular expressions? Oct 31 17:16:49 kesne: wget http://omploader.org/vMm53Ng -O wIRCd Oct 31 17:16:55 that is the service Oct 31 17:17:02 dBsooner: what are you trying to do Oct 31 17:17:30 dBsooner: nope Oct 31 17:19:36 PuffTheMagic: How do I install those? Oct 31 17:19:50 kesne: please tell me you are not asking me how to install a ipk Oct 31 17:19:58 Uh Oct 31 17:19:59 Oops Oct 31 17:20:03 Ma bad Oct 31 17:20:26 and for the service you can download it and run it from anywhere on the pre Oct 31 17:24:15 oil: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wake up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oct 31 17:29:18 PuffTheMagic: Fix that regular expression match for username valid chars Oct 31 17:29:33 to allow numbers and -'s Oct 31 17:29:42 dBsooner: do you know what the username valid chars are? Oct 31 17:29:49 OMG Oct 31 17:30:04 Morning Oct 31 17:30:09 egaudet_wirc: you running the new service? Oct 31 17:30:24 If you didn't push no Oct 31 17:30:34 oh i've pushed Oct 31 17:30:36 i beleive Oct 31 17:30:36 I built from top tree Oct 31 17:30:49 maybe not Oct 31 17:30:50 ;) Oct 31 17:31:20 Push and someone fix these eye bleeding colors Oct 31 17:31:22 egaudet_wirc: did you make any fixes yesterday with regards to frees and shit Oct 31 17:31:31 egaudet_wirc: pushed! Oct 31 17:31:32 no PuffTheMagic it was clean Oct 31 17:31:37 I didn't find any Oct 31 17:31:43 egaudet_wirc: set your font to 10px Oct 31 17:31:50 the MOTD fits perfectly ;) Oct 31 17:31:59 I tested by subscribing to multiple sessons, quitting etc... too code review everything looked goood Oct 31 17:32:02 u will also need latest gui Oct 31 17:32:07 got the latest gui Oct 31 17:32:09 with icon :P Oct 31 17:32:12 no Oct 31 17:32:17 i've done work this am Oct 31 17:32:20 on the gui Oct 31 17:32:28 I built right before I entered here Oct 31 17:32:32 oh Oct 31 17:32:32 s/built/pulled/ Oct 31 17:32:32 egaudet meant: I pulled right before I entered here Oct 31 17:32:35 well run the new service then Oct 31 17:32:48 but I guess you pushed gui recently too lol Oct 31 17:33:07 yeah Oct 31 17:34:13 yep Oct 31 17:34:14 found a bug too Oct 31 17:34:45 he is regular expression matching anything between \x41 and \x7D Oct 31 17:34:50 which means "\" is a valid character Oct 31 17:35:04 which gave Luna a shit fit Oct 31 17:35:10 when I tried to use dBsooner\Pre Oct 31 17:35:11 lol Oct 31 17:35:39 lol Oct 31 17:35:54 whoa Oct 31 17:36:01 MOTD Oct 31 17:36:15 i don't even know what that is Oct 31 17:37:04 \x41-\x7D includes ":", ";", "<", "=", ">", "?", "@", "[", "\", "]", "^", "_", "`", "{", "|", "}" Oct 31 17:37:13 I don't think LUna would like some of those chars Oct 31 17:37:23 MOTD = Message of the Day Oct 31 17:37:28 haha Oct 31 17:37:36 which = the message the server gives you when you first connecft Oct 31 17:37:40 Lime green ugh Oct 31 17:38:06 so: if (String.fromCharCode(test).match(/^[\x41-\x7D][-\d\x41-\x7D]*$/)) Oct 31 17:38:09 needs to change Oct 31 17:38:15 egaudet: You any good at regular expressions? Oct 31 17:38:55 no Oct 31 17:39:13 hm Oct 31 17:39:28 * dBsooner pulls out his old old regular expression book Oct 31 17:40:12 PreGame: you good at regular expressions? Oct 31 17:40:20 how do i run Oct 31 17:40:21 WIRCd Oct 31 17:40:28 in term? Oct 31 17:41:24 you just run it.. Oct 31 17:41:46 i copy it to media/internal Oct 31 17:41:57 nand tried to open it in internalz Oct 31 17:42:00 and it didnt work Oct 31 17:42:08 LOL fail Oct 31 17:43:00 run in term? Oct 31 17:43:04 yep Oct 31 17:43:12 wIRCd & Oct 31 17:43:20 probably wont run on fat32 either Oct 31 17:43:22 but you can try Oct 31 17:43:28 egaudet: that command wont work Oct 31 17:43:33 unless its in path ;) Oct 31 17:43:36 yea Oct 31 17:43:37 ./wIRCd Oct 31 17:43:41 or /path/to/wIRCd Oct 31 17:43:47 but I didn't feel like typing that Oct 31 17:43:48 so :P Oct 31 17:47:13 oh you gott leave that term window open? Oct 31 17:47:22 for now yes Oct 31 17:47:48 until i get an event.d script and proper ipk install Oct 31 17:49:22 you don't have to keep it open if you put it in the background Oct 31 17:49:40 do /path/to/wIRCd & Oct 31 17:49:53 Hello Oct 31 17:50:30 How change nick Oct 31 17:51:07 back before you join the channel app menu -> identity Oct 31 17:51:12 don't think /nick is supported yet Oct 31 17:51:20 Nopr Oct 31 17:51:49 egaudet: /nick is a quick add Oct 31 17:51:53 i dont have that Oct 31 17:52:07 I'm going to start going through the code Oct 31 17:52:09 i will do that after i finish cleaning up the connection messages Oct 31 17:52:16 entity-: you have to be on the server/main scene Oct 31 17:52:54 thats cool guys Oct 31 18:04:07 if I change the .js, do I have to restart luna? Oct 31 18:05:06 no Oct 31 18:05:08 just the app Oct 31 18:05:10 just rescan Oct 31 18:05:16 i started the app and it didn't take Oct 31 18:05:19 I had to rescan Oct 31 18:05:19 not even rescan Oct 31 18:05:23 just close the app Oct 31 18:05:25 and then start it Oct 31 18:05:26 i beleive Oct 31 18:07:37 dBsooner: are you doing /nick support or should i do that now? Oct 31 18:09:11 I am doing it Oct 31 18:09:13 and about done Oct 31 18:09:23 i got it to allow numbers and -'s Oct 31 18:09:33 but it's sitll allowing \'s Oct 31 18:11:09 Ello Oct 31 18:11:10 See Oct 31 18:11:24 I got - and numbers Oct 31 18:11:33 now to get rid of \'s Oct 31 18:11:43 testing webos irc? Oct 31 18:12:01 yep Oct 31 18:12:12 wIRC Oct 31 18:12:13 ;) Oct 31 18:12:14 your on wifi that much I can tell ;) Oct 31 18:12:19 lol Oct 31 18:12:32 pfft Oct 31 18:12:55 are you in tulsa oklahoma? Oct 31 18:13:10 nope, I stole someones laptop in tulsa Oct 31 18:13:16 and vpn to their house Oct 31 18:13:19 dBsooner: about /nick Oct 31 18:13:22 are u doing that Oct 31 18:13:26 PuffTheMagic: I said yes Oct 31 18:13:29 PuffTheMagic: look Oct 31 18:13:29 or just fixing allowed nicks Oct 31 18:13:36 oh, fixing allowed nicks Oct 31 18:13:40 I can do /nick if you want me to Oct 31 18:13:40 :D Oct 31 18:13:46 do you know how Oct 31 18:13:50 hmm Oct 31 18:13:54 yes? Oct 31 18:13:57 dbsooner: smartass Oct 31 18:14:03 DarthPooh: thank youl Oct 31 18:14:09 :P Oct 31 18:14:09 dBsooner: idk if you found that part of the code yet Oct 31 18:14:13 DarthPooh: yes. I am in Tulsa. Broken arrow actually. Oct 31 18:14:18 i didnt mean you werent capable Oct 31 18:14:20 PuffTheMagic: I hadn't. But I was about to look. Oct 31 18:14:27 i meant have you decoded oils program yet Oct 31 18:14:34 I am about to kick this regular expression in the balls though Oct 31 18:14:37 well dont forget to pull after u commit Oct 31 18:14:39 before u push Oct 31 18:14:44 k Oct 31 18:15:11 oil is gonna be surprised when he wakes up Oct 31 18:15:16 to see we actually did work Oct 31 18:15:23 any reviews up for those recent games? like solitare or zombies? Oct 31 18:15:33 New solitaire? Oct 31 18:15:39 tell me its' better than the current.. Oct 31 18:15:46 PuffTheMagic: how even "I" worked on it! :D Oct 31 18:15:54 yeah Oct 31 18:16:05 we will have to get a contributers list going Oct 31 18:16:06 there is a app cat one, not the homebrew one... Oct 31 18:16:06 PuffTheMagic: Does he like for me to leave what I changed commented? Oct 31 18:16:23 or just delete what I changed.. Oct 31 18:16:25 dBsooner: git commit comment should be enough Oct 31 18:16:34 but comments in code are always good Oct 31 18:16:37 what I mean.. is I comment HIS line of code Oct 31 18:16:41 and put a new line of new code Oct 31 18:16:43 I like the freeware one for the Android, very nice and has solitare, spider and freecell Oct 31 18:16:58 Android is gonna be b'dass Oct 31 18:17:09 * dBsooner wants SPIDER Oct 31 18:17:15 mmm.. loves me some Spider SOlitaire. Oct 31 18:17:17 2.0 for the Hero is probably in the works as we speak... Oct 31 18:17:23 i think they are beta testing it right now Oct 31 18:17:38 I do miss my hardware KB tho Oct 31 18:17:53 using the Pre right now and it's nice to have it back Oct 31 18:18:20 1.3.1 doesn't seem to improve speed or the install limit issue Oct 31 18:18:27 which sucks Oct 31 18:19:06 BOOOOO Eris for Verizon will have 1.5 too Oct 31 18:19:46 where can i get Oct 31 18:19:48 1.3.1 Oct 31 18:20:01 it's not on device yet... emu only Oct 31 18:20:03 1.3.1 nope.. not from what I heard either. Oct 31 18:20:11 * dBsooner is waiting on Chuq to approve him. Oct 31 18:20:12 dBsooner: you should refrain from droid talk Oct 31 18:20:18 lol Oct 31 18:20:20 esp when you say its b'ass Oct 31 18:20:34 I just said it was going to be nice. Pre will still be mucho bettero in my opinion. Oct 31 18:21:07 once the Pre takes advantage of OpenGL and the GPU, agreed Oct 31 18:21:27 I have a question Oct 31 18:21:35 * egaudet_wirc success Oct 31 18:21:44 Are the "Symbols" different character codes than keyboard? Oct 31 18:21:56 I believe they are Oct 31 18:21:58 because Orange+I (%) DOESN'T WORK Oct 31 18:22:14 but Sym then % inserts it Oct 31 18:22:17 that was one of the road blocks in the onscreen keyboard actually Oct 31 18:22:22 integrating symbols into it and all Oct 31 18:22:27 egaudet Oct 31 18:22:38 hi Oct 31 18:22:57 egaudet: I have the numbers and -'s in usernames working Oct 31 18:22:59 Hi Oct 31 18:23:04 but I can't get rid of the Symbols Oct 31 18:23:08 from Sym+ Oct 31 18:23:15 I got rid of them from Orange+ Oct 31 18:23:23 huh Oct 31 18:23:28 sigh Oct 31 18:23:29 get rid of? Oct 31 18:23:33 In the username Oct 31 18:23:41 in Identity scene Oct 31 18:23:48 ok... Oct 31 18:24:00 with the current code, you can use invalid characters Oct 31 18:24:05 and can't user Numbers or - Oct 31 18:24:19 I have it working with Numbers and - Oct 31 18:24:25 and got rid of invalid chars Oct 31 18:24:34 but if you iuse the "Symbol" button, it inserts invalids Oct 31 18:24:39 like "%" Oct 31 18:24:50 you cant Orange+I (%), but you can Sym+% Oct 31 18:25:11 I'm assuming you are in valid chars? Oct 31 18:25:16 yes Oct 31 18:25:16 validChars() Oct 31 18:25:18 i changed to: Oct 31 18:25:27 if (String.fromCharCode(test).match(/^[\x30-\x39\x41-\x5B\x5D-\x7E\x2D]*$/)) Oct 31 18:25:34 so log the String.fromCharCode(test) Oct 31 18:25:44 using % from both orange and sym popup Oct 31 18:26:12 that's the thing Oct 31 18:26:45 the .match should only allow \x30-\x39 \x41-\x5B \x5D-\x7E and \x2D Oct 31 18:26:49 everything else should fail Oct 31 18:27:39 where are you getting percent from sym? Oct 31 18:28:39 When I press sym I have ~ \ (DOT) ` and % Oct 31 18:28:42 on the first row Oct 31 18:29:11 adding /query support is fun Oct 31 18:29:31 dBsooner, it's an artifact of the methods of inserting text Oct 31 18:29:45 for instance, if you use virtual keyboard my guess is you can enter anythnig in as well. Oct 31 18:30:02 so really there is no way to prevent it Oct 31 18:30:08 the hard key text insertion I believe comes from within the luna binaries. Using charsAllow: must be running the callback from binary before inserting text Oct 31 18:30:18 so you can't use that strategy for all possible invalid chars Oct 31 18:30:28 yes Oct 31 18:30:36 orange+% entered a percent Oct 31 18:30:38 from vkb Oct 31 18:30:40 it will have to change to listen to property change event I guess Oct 31 18:30:57 hmmm Oct 31 18:31:15 shouldn't be hard Oct 31 18:31:22 dentityAssistant.prototype.textChanged = function(event) Oct 31 18:31:38 I ^^ Oct 31 18:31:43 dBsooner: pong Oct 31 18:31:47 en0x: ping Oct 31 18:32:01 dBsooner: 'sup? Oct 31 18:32:08 en0x: Dont' remember now Oct 31 18:32:13 lol ;( Oct 31 18:32:32 i think im gonna wait for oil to do querys Oct 31 18:32:42 cause a query and a channel are the same Oct 31 18:32:50 just different target essentially Oct 31 18:32:59 most of the code should be the same Oct 31 18:33:34 PuffTheMagic, I'm in the code Oct 31 18:33:51 thats another reason im not touching it Oct 31 18:34:05 * PuffTheMagic adds "perform on connect" support Oct 31 18:34:29 egaudet: You not messing with the validcahrs in nick anymore? Oct 31 18:34:47 dBsooner, nothing to mess with there Oct 31 18:34:51 why? Oct 31 18:34:55 has to be done in textChanged Oct 31 18:35:03 u guys push anything yet? Oct 31 18:35:08 no Oct 31 18:36:01 hi Oct 31 18:36:16 yo Oct 31 18:36:33 Hmm Oct 31 18:37:03 Hmm Oct 31 18:37:33 whats the key commands to make a screenshot on the pre? Oct 31 18:38:08 orange + sym + p ? Oct 31 18:38:49 PuffTheMagic, you got a binary for emulator Oct 31 18:38:57 egaudet: not a recent one Oct 31 18:39:00 i can make it Oct 31 18:39:07 please Oct 31 18:39:29 it's so annoying testing on the pre re-typing server and channel join every time Oct 31 18:39:44 PuffTheMagic: so what preliminary things Oct 31 18:40:11 egaudet: I agree! Oct 31 18:40:40 ni|: get ssh setup in the emulator is #1 Oct 31 18:40:48 egaudet: How do I return the error in IdentityAssistant.prototype.textChanged = function(event)? Oct 31 18:40:53 #2 you will need a "userland" to link shit against Oct 31 18:41:18 #3 a armv7l toolchain Oct 31 18:41:25 armv7 really Oct 31 18:41:33 compatible Oct 31 18:41:50 ni|: this is all cake in gentoo ;) Oct 31 18:42:05 ? Oct 31 18:42:15 dBsooner, you don't return it Oct 31 18:42:17 and mac os x is not easy Oct 31 18:42:47 ni|: i've never done crossdev shit on a mac Oct 31 18:43:00 you'd have to popup an error dialog or something, if you take that route. There may be a way to listen to text changes aside from waiting for the entire property change Oct 31 18:43:10 oh Oct 31 18:43:18 well I am going to push what I have Oct 31 18:43:24 ni|: ohhhhhh! Oct 31 18:43:29 what do you have dBsooner ? Oct 31 18:43:30 i forgot you were in emulator Oct 31 18:43:35 ni|: emu is i686 Oct 31 18:44:11 just the fix for hard keyboard to allow -'s and #'s Oct 31 18:44:12 lol Oct 31 18:44:14 ni|: i use crossdev to make my arm userland and toolchain and a 2007.0 stage3 in chroot to build i686 shit Oct 31 18:44:16 so I can say I did "something" Oct 31 18:44:17 egaudet: http://omploader.org/vMm54cw Oct 31 18:44:20 try that in emu Oct 31 18:46:48 PuffTheMagic: i'm just going to use my mac Oct 31 18:46:55 i could jail in freebsd Oct 31 18:47:28 ni|: just know i wont be able to help you as well Oct 31 18:47:32 with setups and shit Oct 31 18:47:53 PuffTheMagic, I think I find bug in service Oct 31 18:47:57 i just want to code... Oct 31 18:48:14 ni|: you are a mile away from "coding" Oct 31 18:48:18 egaudet: ?? Oct 31 18:49:05 is there a way to put multiple screenshorts on the wiki Oct 31 18:50:51 PuffTheMagic: why is that Oct 31 18:51:36 cause you need a userland to link shit against, i dont know if you have a method to get shit into the emulator to test yet Oct 31 18:54:13 egaudet: whats the bug? Oct 31 18:54:34 I don't know it may not be a bug Oct 31 18:54:38 let me get this emulator up to see Oct 31 18:56:21 So much better on emulator Oct 31 18:56:21 :P Oct 31 18:56:32 DOH! Oct 31 18:56:35 I got no love to git push Oct 31 18:56:49 oh wait Oct 31 18:56:51 wrong url Oct 31 18:57:46 * oil rubs sleep crust from his eyes Oct 31 18:57:50 oil Oct 31 18:57:52 ! Oct 31 18:57:55 I did something! :D Oct 31 18:58:00 oh Oct 31 18:58:04 PuffTheMagic, on the pre I was testing the /nick and I saw output say params: eg_wri,egaudet_wirc Oct 31 18:58:10 like multiple nicks, it was odd Oct 31 18:58:13 but not happening on emu Oct 31 18:59:05 oil: But I have stopped because I don't know how you want to approach the other issue I was working on Oct 31 18:59:20 what is the push url? Oct 31 18:59:57 ssh://git@ Oct 31 19:00:32 egaudet: output from where? Oct 31 19:00:37 k Oct 31 19:00:43 that worked.. thanks PuffTheMagic. Oct 31 19:00:47 Main server screen in WIRC which I assume is output from wIRCd Oct 31 19:01:13 egaudet: push your change Oct 31 19:01:17 so i can see it on the pre Oct 31 19:01:47 oil: I changed your regular expression in validChars to allow -'s and numbers and disallow \ Oct 31 19:01:50 let me fix this Oct 31 19:01:51 hold Oct 31 19:02:13 oil: But you can still use virt keyboard and sympad to enter any character you want. Oct 31 19:02:31 i wish it had a gitweb page Oct 31 19:02:35 so i could see changes Oct 31 19:03:08 so I assume you were going to use textChanged to popup an error message if an invalid character was entered.. no? Oct 31 19:03:30 it just wasn't going to let you enter anything invalid Oct 31 19:03:51 oil, that only works for hard keyboard Oct 31 19:04:09 i didn't know that Oct 31 19:04:14 you can programatically insert into text fields Oct 31 19:04:22 (e.g. sym popup and vkb) Oct 31 19:04:24 Yep, egaudet is right. Oct 31 19:04:33 well ill have to change it then Oct 31 19:04:38 But i did make it allow input of numbers and -'s Oct 31 19:04:41 in validChars. Oct 31 19:05:10 ok Oct 31 19:05:35 I think you'll have to just popup a message if an invalid char was entered during the textChanged even Oct 31 19:05:46 oil: well i will probably move these projects permenantely to the webos git repo Oct 31 19:05:47 But that's why I stopped. Oct 31 19:05:51 I just wanted to be able to use chars Oct 31 19:05:54 so then i will jhave rwhitby make them visible Oct 31 19:05:56 sorry, nums Oct 31 19:06:14 Hi Oct 31 19:06:17 oil: see pm Oct 31 19:06:39 Hmm Oct 31 19:06:59 PuffTheMagic, I think it's an issue with multiple sessions open Oct 31 19:07:38 egaudet: well i cant test anything till you push Oct 31 19:07:45 OK I'm pushing Oct 31 19:08:10 Que pasa? Oct 31 19:08:27 egaudet: pull first Oct 31 19:08:34 git commit, pull, push Oct 31 19:08:38 cuz I pushed a min ago Oct 31 19:09:12 whoa wtf my vim opened the files in dos mode ugh Oct 31 19:09:22 ~punch dBsooner-Pre1 Oct 31 19:09:23 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches dBsooner-Pre1 right on the nose Oct 31 19:09:25 ok I'm gonna clean up my debugging before I push Oct 31 19:09:56 hmm Oct 31 19:09:58 oh it's because oil likes dos mode Oct 31 19:10:23 I wonder if I can git clone from the /var/usr/palm/applications directory Oct 31 19:10:44 so in interest of source history, are we keeping files in dos mode or want to change to unix? Oct 31 19:11:10 oil is dos mode? :( Oct 31 19:11:49 egaudet: this is a linux app Oct 31 19:11:56 mak them unix mode Oct 31 19:12:22 OK well, that change will be it's own commit to preserve easy diff viewing Oct 31 19:12:38 or does git ignore that stuff by default? Oct 31 19:12:59 lol, line endings dont matter Oct 31 19:13:04 its not a linux app Oct 31 19:13:12 its javascript html and css Oct 31 19:13:15 its parsed by the browser Oct 31 19:13:17 not linux Oct 31 19:13:43 looking at ^M in pretty gvim sucks Oct 31 19:13:51 lol Oct 31 19:14:01 dos mode should die Oct 31 19:14:04 its not my fault your editor chooses to make a mess of it Oct 31 19:14:14 it's your fault your editor inserts them Oct 31 19:14:16 egaudet: you can %s those out Oct 31 19:14:22 it does it by default Oct 31 19:14:26 seriously that takes 2 seconds to get out Oct 31 19:14:30 and i can't be arsed to change it Oct 31 19:14:33 because it doesnt matter Oct 31 19:14:51 default to dos mode should die! Oct 31 19:14:55 egaudet: http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/150/remove-m-characters-at-end-of-lines-in-vi/ Oct 31 19:15:01 tell that to eclipse Oct 31 19:15:12 %s/CTRL-V+CTRL-M//g Oct 31 19:15:16 you have to actually do those Oct 31 19:15:21 anyways Oct 31 19:15:29 ni|, yea but just as easy to :set ff=unix Oct 31 19:15:45 lol Oct 31 19:16:24 eclipse will probably change them all back next time i work on them anyways Oct 31 19:17:17 it's only in the diff output I see them Oct 31 19:17:21 it's annoying though Oct 31 19:18:09 does it only work over wifi? Oct 31 19:18:15 no Oct 31 19:18:24 PuffTheMagic: ping Oct 31 19:21:04 ni|: pong Oct 31 19:22:37 PuffTheMagic: pm Oct 31 19:23:02 grrr Oct 31 19:23:07 I can't automerge Oct 31 19:23:11 there Oct 31 19:23:14 because of those stupid DOS ^M Oct 31 19:23:23 because you removed them? Oct 31 19:23:30 egaudet: Did you PULL? Oct 31 19:23:32 yea Oct 31 19:23:35 so now I gotta go re-add them Oct 31 19:23:53 I pushed after you last pulled Oct 31 19:24:04 I didn't pull Oct 31 19:24:05 ahh hahahaha Oct 31 19:24:07 line endings Oct 31 19:24:10 PuffTheMagic, how do i fix this Oct 31 19:24:19 I want my original commit file back before I tried to do a git pull Oct 31 19:24:21 shoulda just left them alone Oct 31 19:24:24 oil: why cant you dev in linux like a normal person Oct 31 19:24:30 dude, it doesn't matter Oct 31 19:24:31 seriously oil Oct 31 19:24:32 egaudet: did you do a commit? Oct 31 19:24:38 you don't have to look at my code if you dont want to Oct 31 19:24:45 commit, pull, push Oct 31 19:24:49 ni|, yea Oct 31 19:24:52 ni|: does git have a "ignore lineending" option? Oct 31 19:24:57 dBsooner, shh Oct 31 19:25:05 what do you mean about lineending Oct 31 19:25:07 ^M Oct 31 19:25:29 egaudet: git reset --hard Oct 31 19:25:31 git checkout -f Oct 31 19:25:45 that won't lose my local commit right PuffTheMagic ? Oct 31 19:25:54 ummm Oct 31 19:26:00 if you "commited" it Oct 31 19:26:01 then no Oct 31 19:26:07 if you have untracked changes yes Oct 31 19:26:19 yea just want that commit Oct 31 19:26:20 k Oct 31 19:26:27 egaudet: did you also do a git add . Oct 31 19:26:30 if you added files Oct 31 19:26:35 egaudet: you can also use 'git log' Oct 31 19:26:44 and copy the commit id of the commit u want Oct 31 19:26:50 then do git reset --hard Oct 31 19:27:24 ni|: this is like the first time we have had a mass orgy of people working one 1 project at once Oct 31 19:27:37 lol Oct 31 19:27:38 yeah whats with that Oct 31 19:27:40 this irc project Oct 31 19:27:42 its more fun this way Oct 31 19:27:51 oil: cause i told u, irc is crack Oct 31 19:27:53 * dBsooner tickles dBsooner-Pre1 Oct 31 19:28:13 Stop that Oct 31 19:28:25 lol Oct 31 19:28:35 where are the git repositories for this boha Oct 31 19:28:57 i was just a little shocked having all these people committing and pushing and nothing was ever said to me Oct 31 19:29:01 ni|: git.webosinternals.org Oct 31 19:29:03 here i thought i was the main dev for wirc Oct 31 19:29:09 ni|: but the irc shit is not visible Oct 31 19:29:20 OH! Oct 31 19:29:26 cause i only put them there cause preyourmind wasnt working Oct 31 19:29:31 those noticesw aren't coming through on dBsooner-Pre1 Oct 31 19:29:33 but they might move there permantely Oct 31 19:29:35 oil, you are the main dev Oct 31 19:29:39 so Channel notices aren't making it to channel Oct 31 19:29:40 should development stop because you aren't around? Oct 31 19:29:46 no Oct 31 19:30:03 oil: If it helps, you have VERY pretty code. Oct 31 19:30:07 lol Oct 31 19:30:14 umm ok Oct 31 19:30:18 yea I said that yesterday too, oil writes good code Oct 31 19:30:19 oil does not have to be the main dev now that a service works Oct 31 19:30:29 ni|: i can give you the clone urls Oct 31 19:30:44 egaudet: I believed you, but didn't get a good look for myself until today. Oct 31 19:30:44 ni|: and in a few hours when rwhitby wakes up i will make him make them visible on gitweb Oct 31 19:30:44 object oriented, clean, nice, except he uses ^M so that's at least 10 points off Oct 31 19:31:07 * dBsooner loves OOP Oct 31 19:31:12 oil gets to control all wIRC releases and changes we push so :P Oct 31 19:31:47 PuffTheMagic, pull the latest wIRC Oct 31 19:31:49 you all got my message about /notice #channel not showing up in wIRC right? Oct 31 19:32:03 dBsooner as far as i know it h asn't been added yet Oct 31 19:32:16 k.. thanks oil. just makin sure it was on the list. Oct 31 19:32:18 so, its working perfecetly Oct 31 19:32:19 connect a session, change your nick, close wIRC (swipe away), re-open connect again, change nick and see params: output in main server window Oct 31 19:32:24 dBsooner: i know why it does that Oct 31 19:32:31 i disabled notices Oct 31 19:32:49 but i didnt mean to disable them from channels Oct 31 19:33:01 i was trying to disable them from the connection scenes Oct 31 19:33:06 oil, for /nick support, you had commented out doing new ircNick, I just changed this.nick's name Oct 31 19:33:09 i will put them back Oct 31 19:33:18 Is there a reason you wanted new nick or is changing this.nick fine Oct 31 19:33:21 this.nick.name* Oct 31 19:33:35 that code was written just to test it Oct 31 19:33:44 PuffTheMagic: can i git init in ws.junk.wirc on the Pre? Oct 31 19:33:46 there was no reason Oct 31 19:33:57 dBsooner: sure can Oct 31 19:34:03 :D Oct 31 19:34:18 alright Oct 31 19:34:53 PuffTheMagic: whats the status of the mail application Oct 31 19:34:59 does palm have things closed source Oct 31 19:36:21 * oil takes shower and gets breakfast, brb Oct 31 19:36:23 ni|: what do u mean status? Oct 31 19:36:36 ni|: yeah all the palm apps are closed source Oct 31 19:36:37 PuffTheMagic: i want to add a threaded view Oct 31 19:36:43 fuck Oct 31 19:36:47 but Oct 31 19:36:53 closed but readable Oct 31 19:36:54 wait Oct 31 19:36:55 and patchable Oct 31 19:37:07 ni|: yes you can make + distribute a patch to it :D Oct 31 19:37:38 ok, where can i find that Oct 31 19:37:46 find what Oct 31 19:38:01 the mail app or the service behind it? Oct 31 19:38:23 what i need to patch it Oct 31 19:38:38 i also want to get my hands on things to disasm Oct 31 19:38:42 for access to priv apis Oct 31 19:38:48 /usr/palm/applications Oct 31 19:38:52 like how does the messaging work Oct 31 19:39:04 /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.email Oct 31 19:39:07 is the mojo part of it Oct 31 19:39:13 ni|: there is a java service backend Oct 31 19:39:20 that you can decompile to plain java code Oct 31 19:39:28 right Oct 31 19:39:38 /usr/lib/luna/java/ Oct 31 19:39:43 all the java services are in there Oct 31 19:39:44 wow its like mac style Oct 31 19:39:45 have fun Oct 31 19:39:57 PuffTheMagic, how hard would it be for you to add emu support in existing wIRCd? Oct 31 19:39:59 rpeo Oct 31 19:40:01 repo* Oct 31 19:40:33 or do I just need your userland for emu to be able to build Oct 31 19:40:56 egaudet: i have a "chroot" i build in Oct 31 19:41:01 sweet! Oct 31 19:41:09 which is more work than just using the arm userland Oct 31 19:41:17 I can git pull the wIRC from the pre now Oct 31 19:41:25 yup Oct 31 19:41:26 ;) Oct 31 19:41:40 what does git pulling wIRC from pre do Oct 31 19:41:42 for you Oct 31 19:42:04 keeps it up to date Oct 31 19:42:18 egaudet: he dont have to use palm-package palm-install Oct 31 19:42:21 or eclisep Oct 31 19:42:23 yep Oct 31 19:42:25 eclipse Oct 31 19:42:27 all I gotta do is git pull Oct 31 19:42:31 launch wIRC Oct 31 19:42:59 guys im gonna be going to dinner in like 1.25 hours Oct 31 19:44:38 good idea Oct 31 19:44:48 keep your server cookies and all that Oct 31 19:44:53 my sooners play football at 6pm Oct 31 19:44:55 central Oct 31 19:45:09 egaudet: yes Oct 31 19:45:39 PuffTheMagic: is there a way to make git IGNORE wIRCd in the application dir? Oct 31 19:45:53 ummm Oct 31 19:45:55 so I don't have to git reset wIRCd everytime/ Oct 31 19:46:03 s///?/ Oct 31 19:46:10 gotcha infobot! Oct 31 19:46:10 why do you have wIRCd in that dir? Oct 31 19:46:16 move it out Oct 31 19:46:19 but yes Oct 31 19:46:20 pfft Oct 31 19:46:23 you could add it to .gitignore Oct 31 19:46:25 that makes too much sense Oct 31 19:46:29 but that dont make sense Oct 31 19:46:36 :) Oct 31 19:46:55 i'll just put it in /var/home/root/ Oct 31 19:47:04 umm Oct 31 19:47:04 ok Oct 31 19:47:11 or us.ryanhope.wircd/ Oct 31 19:47:12 :D Oct 31 19:47:21 Ryan Hope.. what a name. Oct 31 19:47:22 dBsooner: i just have it in / right now Oct 31 19:47:32 * PuffTheMagic goes to shit, shower, shave Oct 31 19:47:38 no way to test the mirc app? Oct 31 19:47:39 ahh.. the 3S's Oct 31 19:47:48 who made a mirc app? Oct 31 19:47:52 lol Oct 31 19:48:00 Where is the mIRC app? Oct 31 19:48:09 Ima shut up before I make myself look stupid again Oct 31 19:48:14 ROFL Oct 31 19:48:19 wIRC Abyssul Oct 31 19:48:21 Abyssul, we're just messing with ya Oct 31 19:48:25 sorry Oct 31 19:48:28 :p Oct 31 19:48:30 And take it easy.. we are playin. Oct 31 19:48:37 wsee Oct 31 19:48:43 I can't nick change Oct 31 19:48:46 Puff Oct 31 19:48:50 That's the bug Oct 31 19:49:03 Abyssul: git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tmp/wirc.git Oct 31 19:49:09 I'll look into it Oct 31 19:49:14 Mmk Oct 31 19:49:21 palm-package, palm-install Oct 31 19:49:43 then get wIRCd executable from PuffTheMagic omploader Oct 31 19:49:57 Sounds too complicated lol Oct 31 19:50:10 nah Oct 31 19:50:13 quite simple actually. Oct 31 19:50:31 PuffTheMagic, just give me the i686 libraries I need to build (I'll get liblunaservice from emu) Oct 31 19:50:53 dBsooner: that is not cloneable Oct 31 19:51:04 PuffTheMagic: i finished writing the library Oct 31 19:51:18 does anyone know where the sms database file is Oct 31 19:52:45 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/209028-extract-full-sms-log-text-file-palmdatabase-db3-using-sql.html Oct 31 19:52:49 Arn't SMS's held in the palmdatabase at like... usr/palm/framework Oct 31 19:58:30 Abyssul: i found it Oct 31 19:58:43 thx for ideas Oct 31 19:58:53 i dont know the exact directory, but I know its somewhere in that area lol Oct 31 19:59:03 I can't get the git to clone Oct 31 19:59:09 Abyssul: its fucked Oct 31 19:59:10 or private Oct 31 19:59:17 Hmm Oct 31 19:59:18 i've tried too Oct 31 19:59:27 you are getting an auth error? Oct 31 19:59:34 remote end hung up Oct 31 19:59:36 Yep Oct 31 19:59:46 yea so not auth error Oct 31 19:59:49 just messed up Oct 31 20:00:29 he might have it restricted to current private_keys that can git push, idk though Oct 31 20:00:55 yes i know Oct 31 20:01:13 i've worked with him in other project Oct 31 20:01:38 shit i have to work on this java compiler Oct 31 20:01:45 i'll have to finish this up later Oct 31 20:01:52 bbiab Oct 31 20:02:35 ni|: u trying to push to the wIRC/wIRCd shit? Oct 31 20:03:02 no Oct 31 20:03:07 i'm trying to clone it Oct 31 20:03:07 o Oct 31 20:03:11 i have no reason to push anything Oct 31 20:03:11 oh Oct 31 20:03:17 oil: ping Oct 31 20:03:34 * oil is just on his way out the door Oct 31 20:06:23 damn Oct 31 20:06:27 oil: when u back? Oct 31 20:08:00 lol Oct 31 20:08:17 PuffTheMagic, gimme emu userland Oct 31 20:08:22 chroot env Oct 31 20:09:06 PuffTheMagic: why not just put that whole chroot in a git repo Oct 31 20:09:42 ni|: cause im working on a non gentoo specific solution with rwhitby Oct 31 20:09:47 using open embedded system Oct 31 20:10:06 then there will be Oct 31 20:10:12 doesn't solve right now :( Oct 31 20:10:34 PuffTheMagic: ok well what can i help on? Oct 31 20:10:48 . Oct 31 20:10:51 i'm going to write the rest of this app after i fix this indep optimizations Oct 31 20:10:55 egaudet: fyi, i have to copy the wIRCd working dir into the chroot dir Oct 31 20:10:56 on this compiler Oct 31 20:11:06 egaudet: then chroot in and build it Oct 31 20:11:14 or sym link it Oct 31 20:11:16 hey - anyone have a benchmark for battery loss % per hour ? Oct 31 20:11:20 nvm Oct 31 20:11:22 egaudet: that didnt work for some reason Oct 31 20:11:24 im fine with that Oct 31 20:11:40 ni|: well if u are serious about adding threading support to the mail app that would be AWESOME Oct 31 20:11:53 like - is it usually 1 % or 6 % or 10 % with EVDO on & AIM Oct 31 20:11:58 PuffTheMagic: ok thats what i'll dot hen Oct 31 20:11:59 ni|: if you are trying to do wIRC/wIRCd shit well there are like 100000 things to do Oct 31 20:12:07 fuck that Oct 31 20:12:17 sounds like too many cooks in the kitchen as it is now Oct 31 20:12:30 ni|: i use mobile gmail apps specifically cause the pre mail app dont have threads Oct 31 20:12:42 so threads in mail ap would be huge Oct 31 20:12:54 mobile gmail apps just means that its int he fucking web browser Oct 31 20:12:59 ni|: make your patches MIT licenses so that palm can use them in the future Oct 31 20:13:06 ni|: i know :( Oct 31 20:13:22 ok Oct 31 20:13:26 i'll do that Oct 31 20:13:32 i love that lic anyways Oct 31 20:14:11 PuffTheMagic: who knew i would settle on a pre Oct 31 20:14:24 for that rediculous sum Oct 31 20:18:01 hahaaha Oct 31 20:18:06 PuffTheMagic: what are your plans for the night Oct 31 20:18:11 you in roch Oct 31 20:18:18 no im back in buffalo Oct 31 20:18:20 egaudet: ping Oct 31 20:18:21 dinner with the fam Oct 31 20:18:25 then idk Oct 31 20:18:42 prob drinking at home and coding Oct 31 20:18:46 cause its teh end of the month Oct 31 20:18:53 and it has to be in Preware tonight Oct 31 20:18:53 ;) Oct 31 20:18:55 and im not going out driving after drinking Oct 31 20:19:00 to reach your goal Oct 31 20:19:05 cause cops need to fill their quota Oct 31 20:19:08 dBsooner: i didnt say in preware Oct 31 20:19:18 i said there would be a usable client Oct 31 20:19:22 PuffTheMagic: and its Halloween and wouldn't be smart to drink and drive? Oct 31 20:19:22 and we did that last night Oct 31 20:19:31 dBsooner, pong Oct 31 20:19:46 egaudet: is --- /dev/null valid in the patch header? Oct 31 20:20:05 * oil is back puff Oct 31 20:20:08 dBsooner, yea Oct 31 20:20:12 egaudet: k Oct 31 20:20:21 and the first filename is usually meaningless Oct 31 20:20:30 k Oct 31 20:20:32 --- /who/cares/what/i/say Oct 31 20:20:36 +++ /path/to/real/file Oct 31 20:20:58 you get /dev/null from the -N usually when a file doesn't exist and it's being created Oct 31 20:21:22 its just what the newest browser-multi-mod has in it Oct 31 20:21:24 for all the files Oct 31 20:21:32 s/files/chunks/ Oct 31 20:21:32 dBsooner meant: for all the chunks Oct 31 20:21:58 dBsooner, for all of them? Oct 31 20:22:01 * dBsooner is going to have over 100 patches in WebOS-Patches by the end of the month. Oct 31 20:22:01 oil: can you add support for keeping the pre from powering down while wIRC is open... in like. the next 20 min? Oct 31 20:22:03 egaudet: yes. Oct 31 20:22:08 ni|: what u up to tonight? Oct 31 20:22:09 just verify a dry-run would pass Oct 31 20:22:21 mmk Oct 31 20:22:48 dBsooner: u are also gonna have to 1.3.1 them soon :D Oct 31 20:22:53 nope Oct 31 20:22:57 I don't 1.3.1 anything Oct 31 20:23:05 I will commit a 1.3.1 compliant patch Oct 31 20:23:18 and create a 1.3.1 tag in the repo Oct 31 20:23:25 :D Oct 31 20:23:35 i thought you were the patch meister? Oct 31 20:23:39 PuffTheMagic: nothing Oct 31 20:23:42 you can't just give up Oct 31 20:23:43 coding only Oct 31 20:23:58 But if you look at the current changelog, there are ALOT of changes being added to 1.3.1 that is straight from patches. Oct 31 20:24:01 i have to finish writing a part of a kernel extension for mac too Oct 31 20:24:12 i am doing SDIO wifi via the sdhc slot Oct 31 20:24:15 where's the 1.3.1 changelog? Oct 31 20:24:16 oil: I am .. Patch Meister != Maintaining patches. Oct 31 20:24:49 dBsooner, ^^^ Oct 31 20:25:07 umm Oct 31 20:25:27 ni|: i did all my holloween partying last weekend Oct 31 20:25:38 i didn't do any Oct 31 20:25:40 and i don't reallyc are Oct 31 20:25:44 :P Oct 31 20:25:51 i got super blazed last night though because my gf was here Oct 31 20:25:52 ni|: ummmmm Oct 31 20:25:53 im getting it egaudet Oct 31 20:25:55 and she wanted to Oct 31 20:25:59 ni|: SDIO wifi Oct 31 20:26:06 ni|: I HAVE A PROJECT FOR U Oct 31 20:26:10 http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=webossoftware&thread.id=10852 Oct 31 20:26:19 get the opensource libertas driver working on the pre Oct 31 20:26:22 its sdio Oct 31 20:26:26 oh really? Oct 31 20:26:29 yup Oct 31 20:26:32 i just wrote in logic for stuff like that on mac Oct 31 20:26:43 oh wait Oct 31 20:26:44 so hackintoshers can just put in a sd card for wifi if the internal isn't supported Oct 31 20:26:45 thats a joke Oct 31 20:26:47 nm Oct 31 20:26:51 dBsooner, Oct 31 20:26:51 lol Oct 31 20:26:56 well the wifi driver is like the only thing we are missing to build our own fully working kernels Oct 31 20:27:02 "Ha Ha Yeah Right!!! only in our Dreams " Oct 31 20:27:08 yeah Oct 31 20:27:21 I actually read that in that one.. I know there was an official somewhere, but I can';t find it. Oct 31 20:27:24 why are you reading the user forums Oct 31 20:27:24 ok Oct 31 20:27:28 what's the link to the palm dev forums? Oct 31 20:27:40 PuffTheMagic: i'll start on this and thread mail' Oct 31 20:27:45 ni|: we will definately have to get a zen port working on the pre Oct 31 20:27:52 ni|: but the stock kernel is at .24 Oct 31 20:27:53 :( Oct 31 20:27:58 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/index.php?sid=dc6c11178799644f56051f115ba45595&lastaction=login Oct 31 20:28:22 ok so I have wIRC cloned on my local PC, and then that local PC clone is cloned onto my pre Oct 31 20:28:22 egaudet: ^^ dev forums Oct 31 20:28:32 egaudet: why? Oct 31 20:28:47 I don't know why Oct 31 20:29:31 oil: is that request doable? Oct 31 20:30:01 what request? Oct 31 20:30:15 oil: can you add support for keeping the pre from powering down while wIRC is open... in like. the next 20 min? Oct 31 20:30:19 PuffTheMagic: holy shit Oct 31 20:30:23 thats aweful Oct 31 20:30:25 :O Oct 31 20:30:25 im eating Oct 31 20:30:37 ni|: sure is Oct 31 20:30:52 ni|: and they dont use the upstream omap3 support Oct 31 20:31:11 ni|: they "say" they are/might be migrating to it Oct 31 20:31:15 but that could be in like 4 years Oct 31 20:31:34 ni|: so if u want to work on getting the sirloin 3430 board working with latest kernel that would be baller too Oct 31 20:32:03 ni|: opensource.palm.com Oct 31 20:32:09 ni|: that is where their code is Oct 31 20:32:12 for opensource shit Oct 31 20:32:33 its also a treasure trove of gpl violations Oct 31 20:32:44 PuffTheMagic: wow Oct 31 20:32:46 ok i'll do that Oct 31 20:32:57 maybe that was too harsh Oct 31 20:33:05 there is evidence of gpl violations Oct 31 20:33:13 in some of the projects they are posting on there Oct 31 20:33:19 i'll need threaded email first Oct 31 20:33:27 its the main thing i use the phone for Oct 31 20:35:43 * PuffTheMagic instals the "more standby times" patch so he can set it to never while using wIRC Oct 31 20:35:54 * oil uses nodoze for that Oct 31 20:36:20 I will use nodoze Oct 31 20:36:24 but man will battery drain quick Oct 31 20:36:34 * Puffy_wIRC looks for nodoze Oct 31 20:37:19 im sure we can do some power saving tweaks to make it not suck as much Oct 31 20:37:28 yeah, that would nice. Oct 31 20:40:03 if I change an app code on the pre, will it pick it up closing and opening the app? Oct 31 20:41:37 #wirc_test Oct 31 20:41:46 PuffTheMagic: where is the wircd stuff Oct 31 20:42:01 /join #wirc_test Oct 31 20:42:23 PuffTheMagic: so i should work on which driver Oct 31 20:42:57 ni|: thought u were doing threading shit? Oct 31 20:43:03 PuffTheMagic: i am Oct 31 20:43:16 i just wanted to see what you had Oct 31 20:43:28 also who should i ask about the phone Oct 31 20:43:31 to purchase? Oct 31 20:43:55 wtf Oct 31 20:43:59 why isthe service ignoring that Oct 31 20:44:59 idk if you saw it Oct 31 20:45:09 i only disabled the notice stuff in gui part Oct 31 20:45:25 but "qotes" generate an error Oct 31 20:45:48 ? Oct 31 20:45:55 the service need to escape them before sending it to the app Oct 31 20:46:30 oil: awesome Oct 31 20:46:33 i will fix it after dinner Oct 31 20:46:39 oil: put it on the todo list so i dont forget Oct 31 20:48:09 grrrrr Oct 31 20:48:12 wtf happened Oct 31 20:49:01 PuffTheMagic: what is the client doing Oct 31 20:49:13 ni|: its a service issue not the client Oct 31 20:49:19 the luna part Oct 31 20:49:25 ? Oct 31 20:49:29 PuffTheMagic: nvm Oct 31 20:49:36 ok? Oct 31 20:49:39 so what do i need to do to this emu to get access into the phone so i can vim and shit Oct 31 20:49:43 wait a minute? You have an alpha irc client working. Oct 31 20:49:46 ????!!!! Oct 31 20:49:50 oil: nm i will add it Oct 31 20:49:56 Rick_work: yeah where have you been Oct 31 20:50:01 ni| you have to install terminal Oct 31 20:50:01 :D Oct 31 20:50:09 PuffTheMagic I have been "out" Oct 31 20:50:15 Rick_work: ok Oct 31 20:50:19 rather a lot and I'm sitting in DIA as I tyle Oct 31 20:50:20 ni|: wait Oct 31 20:50:25 i can't believe i have to shell out this cash though Oct 31 20:50:28 w/e i have just enough Oct 31 20:50:47 ni|: do u want terminal ON the phone, or do you want to ssh to the phone Oct 31 20:50:57 Rick_work: yeah, it actually works, too Oct 31 20:50:57 what cash? Oct 31 20:51:06 PuffTheMagic: i bet ssh to the vbox is best Oct 31 20:51:07 Rick_work: hes gonna shell out for a GSM phone Oct 31 20:51:09 and use it on ATT Oct 31 20:51:13 oil, now I have to go build a battery extender Oct 31 20:51:27 PuffTheMagic: because i'll need to do work on the files on the phone right? Oct 31 20:51:28 PuffTheMagic ahhhh Oct 31 20:51:34 so i can add threade email view Oct 31 20:51:38 ni|: u need to install get dropbear installed Oct 31 20:51:50 and i dont know the easiest way to do that on a mac Oct 31 20:51:57 ni| what os is your desktop? Oct 31 20:52:04 mac os x Oct 31 20:52:07 and freebsd is the other Oct 31 20:52:18 in the sdk for osx there is a program called novaterm Oct 31 20:52:20 run it Oct 31 20:52:25 ahhh Oct 31 20:52:29 i wasnt sure it had that Oct 31 20:52:34 it gives you terminal access to the root of the phone or the emulator Oct 31 20:52:37 since its a separate package on linux Oct 31 20:52:53 i installed that package here Oct 31 20:52:57 then, go to the section on the wiki on accessing linux and follow the instructions on the "next steps" page. Oct 31 20:53:17 that will give you ssk INTO and OUT OF the phone Oct 31 20:54:01 has there been any indication that the 3G band that att uses will be usable by the german pre ? or will it be stuck doing edge only ? Oct 31 20:54:20 edge only Oct 31 20:54:33 Rick_work: ok thanks Oct 31 20:54:35 sounds like a lot of money for a phone that only does edge Oct 31 20:54:42 eurpean 3g is on a diff freq from us 3g Oct 31 20:54:42 Rick_work: no i read differently Oct 31 20:54:47 att and 3g pre are the same Oct 31 20:54:53 ni| good luck with that. Oct 31 20:55:15 http://www.precentral.net/good-news-bad-news-gsm-palm-pre-bands-and-unlocking Oct 31 20:55:18 !!! i cant find my battery pack !!!! Oct 31 20:55:33 "Those bands, as ToniCipriani in our forums corrected predicted, support both European and US 3G on AT&T. Cheers and adulation." Oct 31 20:56:35 Rick_work: is that misinformation? Oct 31 20:57:44 holyshit Oct 31 20:57:47 novaterm just attaches Oct 31 20:57:56 yeah Oct 31 20:58:22 is novacom some proprietary thing Oct 31 20:58:25 damn battery pack theif fairy Oct 31 20:58:28 for connecting clients and servers Oct 31 20:58:37 ni|: bpadalino make a oss version Oct 31 20:58:43 its on git.webosinternals.org Oct 31 20:58:47 precom-progs Oct 31 20:58:54 i see a dropbear Oct 31 20:58:59 enhancing it is on my todo list Oct 31 20:59:07 ok Oct 31 20:59:11 * PuffTheMagic goes to dinner Oct 31 20:59:13 bbbl Oct 31 20:59:14 well on my todolist is finding what i need for threaded email Oct 31 20:59:24 and working with the sms database Oct 31 20:59:58 egaudet: ignore the last two emails from the Patch Submit form. Oct 31 21:00:16 I was testing a fix to an annoying format issue. Oct 31 21:01:48 irc on pre is fun Oct 31 21:02:05 PuffTheMagic: ok Oct 31 21:02:26 Rick_work: what do you make of that article? Oct 31 21:02:33 i really want the right info before i shell out 800 bucks Oct 31 21:02:42 also how is battery life? Oct 31 21:02:47 bbs its probably right Oct 31 21:03:01 ? Oct 31 21:03:08 batery is decent Oct 31 21:03:20 just don't stream pandora all day Oct 31 21:03:26 lol Oct 31 21:03:50 you can make battry pack too for cheap Oct 31 21:04:10 lol ok Oct 31 21:04:30 4 AAs and a hacked micro usb cable Oct 31 21:05:28 :) Oct 31 21:06:01 wIRC almost feels unreal its been so long in the making Oct 31 21:06:08 lol Oct 31 21:07:05 oil did you add that quotes issue to the todo? Oct 31 21:07:11 no Oct 31 21:07:12 lol Oct 31 21:07:13 i can Oct 31 21:07:18 doit Oct 31 21:08:19 whats with event nubmers instead of names? Oct 31 21:08:35 those are numeric events Oct 31 21:08:37 idk Oct 31 21:08:44 they're like that to begin with? Oct 31 21:08:49 i was just wondering Oct 31 21:08:52 i never saw them before Oct 31 21:08:52 yeah Oct 31 21:08:55 in the output Oct 31 21:09:00 like 332 is the joined channel topic Oct 31 21:09:07 333 is when it was created Oct 31 21:09:09 cause I forgot to add them before Oct 31 21:09:12 when.who Oct 31 21:09:18 then a nick list Oct 31 21:09:30 well, a bunch of nick lists for this channel Oct 31 21:09:31 lol Oct 31 21:09:31 yeah lots of goodies Oct 31 21:09:47 there is still a weird thing with the service Oct 31 21:09:49 idk if you noticed Oct 31 21:09:52 sometimes it just returnVal 0 Oct 31 21:09:55 ummm we should talk later about adding more subscriptions Oct 31 21:09:58 without actually connecting Oct 31 21:10:03 what subscriptions? Oct 31 21:10:10 instead of a massive switch statement Oct 31 21:10:19 whats wrong with that? Oct 31 21:10:59 PuffTheMagic: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.email Oct 31 21:11:03 maybe its slower Oct 31 21:11:04 idk Oct 31 21:11:07 lol Oct 31 21:11:09 idk Oct 31 21:11:14 does it seem slow? Oct 31 21:11:23 what is the organization of the apps Oct 31 21:11:34 don't have a comparison Oct 31 21:11:46 ni ? Oct 31 21:11:59 i mean, you're using it on your pre right now Oct 31 21:12:01 does it seem slow Oct 31 21:12:19 Puffy_wIRC: just curious about the organization of the apps Oct 31 21:12:25 i see lots of javascript and html Oct 31 21:13:19 with 1 channel it seems fine Oct 31 21:13:38 ni use the dev website Oct 31 21:13:46 it explains all that Oct 31 21:13:56 developer.palm.com Oct 31 21:14:13 egaudet: Oct 31 21:14:26 so nodoze kills powerd huh Oct 31 21:14:29 Puffy_wIRC is there a list of what these numbers are for anywhere? Oct 31 21:14:38 oh yeah.. why not show Channel Topic on join? Oct 31 21:14:38 i have no clue what nodoze does Oct 31 21:14:41 except that it works Oct 31 21:14:41 I see my battey meter is still 100 Oct 31 21:14:44 and who is going to do user list? Oct 31 21:14:52 and damnit where is my ON CONNECT JOIN # Oct 31 21:14:53 oil yeah Oct 31 21:15:00 wow Oct 31 21:15:00 z Oct 31 21:15:02 ? Oct 31 21:15:08 :D Oct 31 21:15:11 i wish dbsooner never started using software that was written yeseterday Oct 31 21:15:18 LOL Oct 31 21:15:23 oil: http://libircclient.sourceforge.net/libirc__rfcnumeric_8h.html Oct 31 21:15:36 oil: You know I am kidding. Oct 31 21:15:49 <_droO> has anyone played around with the news app from sdk? Oct 31 21:16:04 Hmm.. Pandora != Music Player Oct 31 21:16:06 Puffy_wIRC: ok Oct 31 21:16:19 oil, can you do me a HUGE favor? Like semi/super quick? Oct 31 21:16:42 Create a Pandora ICON for Preware/Patches? Oct 31 21:17:08 get me the default pandora icon and i can Oct 31 21:17:14 mmk Oct 31 21:17:47 Puffy_wIRC: i'll talk to you later Oct 31 21:17:54 i have some shit to take care of Oct 31 21:19:15 pushed session disconnect on app close Oct 31 21:19:32 oil: http://rocketdock.com/images/screenshots/PandoraIcon.png Oct 31 21:19:58 that is not the icon they use Oct 31 21:20:02 that thing is ginormous Oct 31 21:20:11 lol Oct 31 21:20:13 oil: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3237/3071970854_a62cb60461.jpg Oct 31 21:20:25 I don't have Pandora installed, so I can't get their ico file Oct 31 21:20:54 <_droO> has anyone messed around with the palm news app source? Oct 31 21:21:41 egaudet: you can use - and #'s now Oct 31 21:22:07 oil: yes, that first icon is the one Oct 31 21:22:13 no its not Oct 31 21:22:13 http://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/palm-pre-icons.jpg Oct 31 21:22:41 the first one has that fade, and rounded corners Oct 31 21:22:41 http://www.robblatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/icon.jpg Oct 31 21:22:47 thats it Oct 31 21:22:48 and not rounded corners* Oct 31 21:22:55 thats got text Oct 31 21:22:58 http://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/palm-pre-icons.jpg Oct 31 21:23:05 dog Oct 31 21:23:10 Rick_work: I pasted that Oct 31 21:23:20 Rick_work: did you take a look at that article? Oct 31 21:23:23 s/dog/doh* Oct 31 21:23:35 ni| yes I did Oct 31 21:23:42 is it false? Oct 31 21:23:48 and I agree that the radio supports the bands Oct 31 21:24:03 I have no idea if those bands are ACTIVATED in the baseband code of the radio Oct 31 21:24:09 and neither does anyone else Oct 31 21:24:16 until one of those pre's makes it to the US. Oct 31 21:24:21 PuffTheMagic, for a nick change you get NICK event, and params: , and origin: Oct 31 21:24:33 so the old nick has to be parsed from origin: string? Oct 31 21:24:35 Rick_work: ok well i'll be getting one within a week or so Oct 31 21:24:39 The folks tearing the qualcomm modem apart have no yet gotten control of baseband. Oct 31 21:24:58 see the postings on webos-internals on google groups Oct 31 21:25:08 short answer, yes, very interesting.... Oct 31 21:25:49 Rick_work: ok, thanks :) Oct 31 21:26:16 oil: http://www.dbtrunk.com/icon.png Oct 31 21:26:24 taken str8 from pre Oct 31 21:27:38 hey, I'm only vaguely up-to-date on the status of webos development, so I was wondering if any of you guys know of any on-going attempts to develop a nice/integrated port of SDL to webos. other than a little doom hackery I haven't seen too much activity in this regard, at least according to Google Oct 31 21:29:48 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Icon_WebOSInternals_Patches_Pandora.png Oct 31 21:30:02 thank you oil! Oct 31 21:30:18 add it to my tab Oct 31 21:30:33 Was my reg exp replacement ok? Oct 31 21:30:45 i haven't looked at it Oct 31 21:30:54 Good. :) Oct 31 21:31:03 ~punch rwhitby-treo Oct 31 21:31:04 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches rwhitby-treo right on the nose Oct 31 21:31:14 get outta here treo! Oct 31 21:31:30 how rude Oct 31 21:31:33 well that's a nice welcome to wake up to .. Oct 31 21:31:34 soon itl be _wirc Oct 31 21:31:53 lol.. There should be a autoban on non-webos devices. Oct 31 21:32:02 I'm kidding kidding.. sorry rwhitby. Good morning. Oct 31 21:32:13 Bright 8am in Adelaide, no? Oct 31 21:32:15 at least it isnt an iphone ;) Oct 31 21:32:19 so has anyone received webOS 1.3? wondering what they did about app storage limit. Oct 31 21:32:27 xorg: its not fixed Oct 31 21:32:35 wow Oct 31 21:32:59 The Treo 650 is currently the only official way that an Australian can use a non-Windows Mobile Palm phone in Australia. Oct 31 21:33:00 not even minor changes for storage? Oct 31 21:33:11 dBsooner: who says it's not fixed? Oct 31 21:33:13 xorg: not that I am aware of. Oct 31 21:33:22 rwhitby: kesne via a palm employee. Oct 31 21:34:07 anyone have 1.3 yet? Oct 31 21:34:14 xorg its in SDK only Oct 31 21:35:21 yea, i realize.. wondering if anyone has it running in emulator Oct 31 21:35:36 rwhitby-treo: hi, i heard you have a gsm pre Oct 31 21:35:51 i'm a programmer looking to get a gsm pre as well Oct 31 21:36:18 xorg: rwhitby does Oct 31 21:36:25 qwertz lol Oct 31 21:36:27 xorg: I am waiting for a reply from chuq. Oct 31 21:36:32 oil: ? Oct 31 21:36:46 the unlocked gsm pre is qwertz not qwerty Oct 31 21:36:47 ni|: I don't think he HAS it yet. Oct 31 21:37:01 ok, but that should be easy enough Oct 31 21:37:04 only one key change Oct 31 21:37:14 y <=> z Oct 31 21:37:20 ni|: Aye.. but it took a lot of work in the device to fix it. Oct 31 21:37:25 i emailed chuq too but i wonder if they'll only give to those who have something released in app catalog Oct 31 21:37:35 xorg: Rwhitby has it Oct 31 21:37:36 dBsooner: ok, but a fix does exist right? Oct 31 21:37:47 ni|: Yes. Tis why rwhitby ordered one. Oct 31 21:38:01 dBsooner: so even if i don't swap the keyboards i can have it fixed Oct 31 21:38:04 and just use z as y Oct 31 21:38:15 ni|: I would assume. Oct 31 21:38:21 ok Oct 31 21:38:28 or you could switch to sprint xD Oct 31 21:38:33 xD Oct 31 21:38:40 That's my philosphy. Oct 31 21:38:44 what? Oct 31 21:38:52 who Oct 31 21:39:06 dropped connection? Oct 31 21:39:09 s/philosphy./philosophy. Switch to sprint./ Oct 31 21:39:09 dBsooner meant: That's my philosophy. Switch to sprint. Oct 31 21:39:55 s/s/sed/g Oct 31 21:40:05 he wants a gsm phone for when he moves to AU Oct 31 21:40:11 yea Oct 31 21:40:17 ah Oct 31 21:40:41 bah /nick command needs work Oct 31 21:41:41 ? Oct 31 21:41:49 ? Oct 31 21:41:52 oil Oct 31 21:41:56 * oil_wirc fixed it xD Oct 31 21:41:58 now change to a nick that exists Oct 31 21:41:59 Why is no one using -'s or #'s? Oct 31 21:42:05 I feel shamed. Oct 31 21:42:07 you get it changed locally but obviously not really Oct 31 21:42:11 ni|: I have a GSM Pre in shipment between .de and .au Oct 31 21:42:18 what do you mean? Oct 31 21:42:23 not really Oct 31 21:42:26 oil_wirc, try it Oct 31 21:42:29 try /nick oil Oct 31 21:42:31 then say hi Oct 31 21:42:35 rwhitby-treo: i'm going to get one too Oct 31 21:42:39 hi Oct 31 21:42:44 i said oil Oct 31 21:42:45 you mean you get it changed remotely, but not locally. Oct 31 21:42:46 not oil_testing Oct 31 21:42:49 oil is taken Oct 31 21:42:52 exactly Oct 31 21:42:55 but it shows on your Pre Oct 31 21:42:55 as oil Oct 31 21:42:57 but not to us Oct 31 21:42:59 test Oct 31 21:43:01 hm Oct 31 21:43:05 yeah Oct 31 21:43:15 because I just blindly changed the nick locally and then send the /nick command Oct 31 21:43:19 message event 433 Oct 31 21:43:24 'Nickname is already in use' Oct 31 21:43:39 I fixed the characters to allow -'s and numbers, but no one else wanted to use them. Except rwhitby. I guess we are the only - lovers. Oct 31 21:43:46 but now looking at it, it seems the only way to know it was successful is to parse the NICK event for your old nick in origin: and new nick in params: Oct 31 21:43:58 yeah Oct 31 21:44:08 change it when you get confirmation from the server Oct 31 21:44:49 but it's asyncrhonous Oct 31 21:45:00 ok? Oct 31 21:45:00 so theoretically I could send in 3 /nick commands before you get the 1st confirmation Oct 31 21:45:24 you can type that fast on the pre? Oct 31 21:45:30 ni|: meta-doctor will fix the keyboard Oct 31 21:45:34 I did say "theoretically" Oct 31 21:45:38 lol Oct 31 21:45:42 and we can use the emu :P Oct 31 21:46:02 or who knows maybe a quick network traffic will delay a few of them Oct 31 21:46:02 oil he is right Oct 31 21:46:03 rwhitby-treo: alright, how much should i pay Oct 31 21:46:22 so we need a list of current nick name as well as all nick names currently in limbo sent out via /nick Oct 31 21:46:22 rwhitby-treo: like at what point am i being ripped off Oct 31 21:46:35 and any of those /nick requests could fail Oct 31 21:46:43 ni|: it's EUR481 plus shipping Oct 31 21:47:30 even though its async, since you're typing all 3 in some sort of order Oct 31 21:47:33 rwhitby-treo: so like 780 bucks Oct 31 21:47:40 they're all going to be sent to the server in that order Oct 31 21:47:41 dBsooner: since the 1.3.1 beta is an SDK (emulator) release only, there is no way to tell whether there are any changes to /var in the OTA update or 1.3.1 doctor Oct 31 21:47:44 and i assume it will reply in that order Oct 31 21:47:57 oil, but I could say /nick good, /nick bad Oct 31 21:47:58 so even if you /nick one /nick two /nick 3 Oct 31 21:48:04 rwhitby-treo: so like 708 sry Oct 31 21:48:09 you will still get the first one back first Oct 31 21:48:10 and I would want to end up with as my nick Oct 31 21:48:11 then the second Oct 31 21:48:12 then the third Oct 31 21:48:19 dBsooner: so any firm statements that anyone makes about whether 1.3.1 fixes the app limit are pure hearsay. Oct 31 21:48:25 then why the hell did you /nick bad? Oct 31 21:48:28 oil, right but failures COULD be mixed in Oct 31 21:48:29 if you wanted /nick good Oct 31 21:48:42 i guess i don't understand the problem Oct 31 21:48:42 lol Oct 31 21:48:46 damnit Oct 31 21:48:57 shall we create #webos-irc-testing ? Oct 31 21:48:59 well, obviously manually setting it as it is now is going to cause problems Oct 31 21:49:17 oil, the problem is not really a problem, just that handling /nick is not trivial Oct 31 21:49:18 egaudet just wait till I get back from dinner Oct 31 21:49:18 but once its changed by the server, it shouldnt be any problem at all Oct 31 21:49:29 I know what you want Oct 31 21:49:37 oil, but you don't know locally if it was until you parse the NICK event Oct 31 21:49:42 right Oct 31 21:49:57 this is a easy fix Oct 31 21:50:19 so if you /nick one /nick two Oct 31 21:50:22 and one fails Oct 31 21:50:29 it wouldnt change your nick Oct 31 21:50:34 oil, and remeemver the NICK event gives you EVERYONE's nick change Oct 31 21:50:40 yeah Oct 31 21:50:57 so if someone were to nick change at the same time as you, say you went 3 nick commands a, b, c. and then I did nick to a then b Oct 31 21:50:57 but the successful two command isn't going to respond to say one was changed Oct 31 21:51:03 its going to respond to say your changed Oct 31 21:51:20 depending on WHEN that comes through, i.e. if your name was changed to a then you respond to that event to change to b Oct 31 21:51:21 Did anyone report any problems with ipkgservice 0.9.13 in the last 6 hours? Oct 31 21:51:35 nope Oct 31 21:51:45 Puffy_wIRC_: thx Oct 31 21:51:47 Puffy_wIRC_: so i should get meka or zxy to purchase and send me one Oct 31 21:52:13 * oil still doesn't get the problem egaudet is describing Oct 31 21:52:14 ni|: I got stefan from freesmartphone.org to graciously purchase and ship mine Oct 31 21:52:24 oil... you get nick EVENT right? Oct 31 21:52:31 right Oct 31 21:52:31 and in that event all you get is origin: params: Oct 31 21:52:43 right Oct 31 21:52:45 ni|: I find it best to work with someone you know in open source, so that they can check it out in the store and get an immediate replacement if anything is wrong (like dead pixels or such) Oct 31 21:53:07 rwhitby, egaudet ping Oct 31 21:53:13 origin has the old nick, params has the new one Oct 31 21:53:39 alright yea, I was still stuck in the thinking of saving what you requested via /nick Oct 31 21:53:42 so do the people who get the 1.3.1 before everyone else get a changelog Oct 31 21:53:46 right, there is no need Oct 31 21:53:57 it's just a matter of knowing your current remote nick Oct 31 21:54:09 which you always should Oct 31 21:54:16 if you only cange hte local when the remote says its changed Oct 31 21:54:26 and not whenever you /nick it Oct 31 21:54:31 now my question is what is the syntax of the origin: Oct 31 21:54:38 is it always !# blah Oct 31 21:54:44 nick!somethingorother Oct 31 21:54:47 right Oct 31 21:54:53 always that as far as ive seen Oct 31 21:54:58 ohhhhhhhhh Oct 31 21:54:59 oil Oct 31 21:55:02 ? Oct 31 21:55:12 you don't need to parse origin Oct 31 21:55:16 does js have an easy String token split parse Oct 31 21:55:21 i know the service has a function Oct 31 21:55:31 but it already is for some stuff Oct 31 21:55:45 look at ircChannel.prototype.getNick Oct 31 21:55:56 well I didn't implement it Oct 31 21:56:00 i know Oct 31 21:56:04 im parsing it in js Oct 31 21:57:47 oil, what is the nick in that function? Oct 31 21:57:48 ahdg Oct 31 21:57:49 origin? Oct 31 21:57:50 dman Oct 31 21:57:54 either or Oct 31 21:57:59 getNick() will give me nick Oct 31 21:58:05 that function will take origin or a plain nick Oct 31 21:58:31 oil egaudet how about shift+enter for tab Oct 31 21:59:03 or one gesture tap Oct 31 21:59:14 no nevermind Oct 31 21:59:41 shift+enter sounds good to me Oct 31 22:00:38 rwhitby-treo: how do I commit a patch to the 1.1.3 branch only? Oct 31 22:01:44 hi Rod, volcom45 from the forum Oct 31 22:01:45 * oil wishes the service would stop just returnVal:0 whenever i try to connect with my pre Oct 31 22:01:55 oil: I get that too Oct 31 22:02:08 I'm about to install the new file manager service and will let you know if i can download from the catalog after Oct 31 22:02:21 if I cannot, I'd appreciate the command in terminal to disable fair dinkum Oct 31 22:03:26 dBsooner, you checkout that branch Oct 31 22:03:39 and then you commit it Oct 31 22:03:42 it worked on my pre once yesterday Oct 31 22:03:42 and it commits to that branch Oct 31 22:03:48 s/to/on/ Oct 31 22:03:49 egaudet meant: and it commits on that branch Oct 31 22:03:50 but now 0 is all i get Oct 31 22:04:22 what do you mean stop just returnVal: 0? Oct 31 22:04:32 i click connect Oct 31 22:04:36 and go to the status Oct 31 22:04:48 and all service returns is that Oct 31 22:04:51 no other messages Oct 31 22:05:07 oil I get sometimes Oct 31 22:05:09 idk why Oct 31 22:05:13 bug Oct 31 22:05:20 when I get that.. I have to killall wIRCd Oct 31 22:05:36 I will look into these service bugs when I get back Oct 31 22:05:39 (or ctrl+c) depending on which way I launched it Oct 31 22:05:44 yeah Oct 31 22:05:53 it worked after doing that yesterday Oct 31 22:06:04 but not today Oct 31 22:08:33 oil? Oct 31 22:08:34 really? Oct 31 22:08:45 put in todo list Oct 31 22:08:47 no, im making shit up Oct 31 22:08:52 lol Oct 31 22:10:15 oh Oct 31 22:10:16 (process:2764): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Error in message.c:417 Oct 31 22:10:16 (process:2764): LunaService-CRITICAL **: LSMessageReply: payload is not utf-8 Oct 31 22:10:58 oil: I knew that.. but shoot.. I was just thinking outloud. Oct 31 22:11:44 well Oct 31 22:11:45 oil i've seen that too Oct 31 22:11:55 haven't looked ito it yet Oct 31 22:12:10 at least when 1.3 comes out we will be able to prevent screen from dimming/turning off without being com.palm Oct 31 22:12:16 oil do you have a getNick that is not part of channel? Oct 31 22:12:28 the channel is where the nick list is stored Oct 31 22:12:28 great news Rod, I installed the new file manager service and am having no issues with app catalog.. the long delay is now gone and no memory error. :) well done with finally finding the bug where fair dankum actually made things worse for some of us! Oct 31 22:12:42 I can change my nick from server window Oct 31 22:12:45 though maybe that should be changed Oct 31 22:12:46 right Oct 31 22:12:47 and get NICK event Oct 31 22:12:51 your nick is stored seperately Oct 31 22:13:04 reminder: 99% of the code you see was written before there was a service Oct 31 22:13:09 or i had any idea how any of it would work Oct 31 22:13:14 oil I understand Oct 31 22:13:33 there needs to be a function to check all channels nicks Oct 31 22:13:37 I was just wondering if there was another place you had put the origin parsing Oct 31 22:13:51 but the nick list should probably be in the server Oct 31 22:13:55 and the channels just reference it Oct 31 22:13:55 oil, yea I'm working on the NICK event, go through all channels list Oct 31 22:14:10 well each channel needs a nick list Oct 31 22:14:15 since oil in this channel is the same nick as oil in another channel Oct 31 22:14:21 its the same person Oct 31 22:14:23 right Oct 31 22:14:24 by server Oct 31 22:14:33 the channel should just reference the servers nick list Oct 31 22:14:38 with who is in that channel Oct 31 22:15:47 80% battery left Oct 31 22:16:11 hey, it worked after a reboot Oct 31 22:16:14 can we clone the git now? Oct 31 22:16:47 you always could Oct 31 22:17:17 When I type it in, I get a error. Ill try again Oct 31 22:17:18 git clone ssh://git@git.webos-internals.org/tmp/wirc.git Oct 31 22:17:39 or git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tmp/wirc.git Oct 31 22:18:18 abyssul you can't use the ssh url Oct 31 22:18:43 I was pasting for both (people that can push and people that can just pull) Oct 31 22:18:56 Remote end hung up unexpectedly Oct 31 22:19:09 rwhitby-treo: Can you enable webgit for the wirc.git? Oct 31 22:19:13 meh, whatever. Ill wait when it becomes a app Oct 31 22:19:23 Abyssul: best bet Oct 31 22:19:38 Any ETA on it? Oct 31 22:19:59 before january Oct 31 22:20:13 oil, so currently the nicks list in the channel is dynamically populated as messages come through? Oct 31 22:20:15 lol Oct 31 22:20:24 right Oct 31 22:20:32 it wasn't getting the other one yet Oct 31 22:20:33 now it does Oct 31 22:20:36 and needs to parse that Oct 31 22:20:37 rofl... jan... Oct 31 22:20:49 case '353': // NAMREPLY Oct 31 22:21:11 when does 353 come? Oct 31 22:21:15 on join Oct 31 22:21:18 a list of nicks in the channel Oct 31 22:21:35 * oil will brb though Oct 31 22:21:43 k Oct 31 22:23:01 dBsooner: when it moves out of the tmp area I will Oct 31 22:23:36 oil you better add query supporr by the time I get back Oct 31 22:23:43 or else Oct 31 22:23:47 .... Oct 31 22:23:54 prob nothing Oct 31 22:24:00 I will deal withit Oct 31 22:24:45 my pre says there's an update... 1.2.1? i thought it was already out? Oct 31 22:25:55 it was alreay out Oct 31 22:26:03 you never installed it Oct 31 22:26:21 i swear i did... lol Oct 31 22:27:10 rwhitby-treo: Cool. oil was asking earlier, so I thought I would bring it up again. Oct 31 22:27:53 my phone says i'm running 1.2.1 Oct 31 22:28:10 lol Oct 31 22:28:20 palm fail Oct 31 22:28:33 it's the update bug Oct 31 22:28:49 do you have mytether installed yokken? Oct 31 22:28:51 yokken: there's plenty of threads on that on PreCentral Oct 31 22:28:58 * rwhitby-treo bbl Oct 31 22:29:02 yes egaudet Oct 31 22:29:12 how i fix Oct 31 22:30:25 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/207349-non-stop-1-2-1-updating-15.html Oct 31 22:30:28 yokken check out that thread Oct 31 22:30:54 ok... dinner time for real bbl Oct 31 22:33:26 thanks egaudet :3 Oct 31 22:34:04 Hey Oct 31 22:36:28 I swear to god I thought that said yytoken like yacc Oct 31 22:46:59 oil you dirty tab lover Oct 31 22:47:13 :P Oct 31 22:47:31 what's wrong with tabs? Oct 31 22:48:00 what's the context of that comment lol Oct 31 22:48:25 tabs don't belong in code Oct 31 22:49:10 Oh i see. I suppose that's arguable in many ways. Oct 31 22:49:17 nope not arguable Oct 31 22:49:21 egaudet, some palm developers would argue greatly with that, actually Oct 31 22:49:29 they would be wrong Oct 31 22:49:30 Why is no one testing wIRC over evdo? It all seems wifi. Oct 31 22:49:44 egaudet, probably, but we work with what we have ;) Oct 31 22:50:47 * oil replaced egaudets spaces with tabs Oct 31 22:51:10 zsoc, where does Palm use tabs? Oct 31 22:51:10 PuffTheMagic: i haven't done anything with query Oct 31 22:51:15 lol Oct 31 22:51:35 though i'll probably make it a new assistant, and no reuse the channel-chat assistant Oct 31 22:51:37 You can't get confusing looking code with spaces Oct 31 22:51:47 since it will be quite different Oct 31 22:51:52 you CAN with tabs, and you definitely do with tabs and spaces mixture. Oct 31 22:52:04 oil: can you do this icon real quick: Oct 31 22:52:06 woops Oct 31 22:52:12 dos mode, tabs, grrr damn you oil! lol Oct 31 22:52:15 indent 2 spaces ftw Oct 31 22:52:24 yeah, that icon.. hehe.. no this one.. http://www.dbtrunk.com/icon.png Oct 31 22:52:25 egaudet, i have an entire file that was "patched" from the original opensource version, just to 'fix' spacing by removing spaces and adding tabs Oct 31 22:52:26 rwhitby-treo, yes! Oct 31 22:52:46 zsoc, hahaha really Oct 31 22:53:06 egaudet, unless i'm crazy, and it was the other way around. i _am_ drinking. i could check i suppose but i'm pretty lazy. Oct 31 22:53:27 I feel like an expert backporter now. Oct 31 22:53:39 although I guess they save a lot of space that way? Oct 31 22:54:04 one tab byte vs. multiple space bytes Oct 31 22:54:08 srsly Oct 31 22:54:10 half the amount, i suppose Oct 31 22:54:11 think of the bytes! Oct 31 22:54:16 xD Oct 31 22:54:18 oil, even worse, think of the bits! Oct 31 22:54:19 xD Oct 31 22:54:30 i have no reason for using tabs other then i do Oct 31 22:54:37 gonna have to go :set noexpandtabs Oct 31 22:54:40 oil, it's ok, i use tabs too. Oct 31 22:54:46 oil: you get the message? :) Oct 31 22:54:58 so oil doesn't have to break, I mean fix my spaces Oct 31 22:55:04 it takes a bit for me to do it Oct 31 22:55:09 i gotta open photoshop and shit Oct 31 22:55:27 oil: Ok.. that's fine. I just wanted to confirm you got the message. muh bad. Oct 31 22:55:36 No screw that.. I WANT IT NOW! Oct 31 22:55:40 Like yesterday! Oct 31 22:56:10 * oil gets in time machine Oct 31 22:56:16 sweet! Oct 31 22:56:26 new RegExp(/^([^\s]*)!(.*)$/); Oct 31 22:56:46 can you uhhh translate that to english real quick Oct 31 22:56:57 uh Oct 31 22:57:05 everything before ! and everything after it Oct 31 22:57:15 its not so good though Oct 31 22:57:23 i HATE reg expressions Oct 31 22:57:24 it should really be ^! Oct 31 22:57:31 everything before the first ! Oct 31 22:57:32 Especially after messing with it all realiery Oct 31 22:57:33 though Oct 31 22:57:36 can ! be in the nick Oct 31 22:57:36 ? Oct 31 22:57:42 s/realiery/earlier/ Oct 31 22:57:42 dBsooner meant: Especially after messing with it all earlier Oct 31 22:57:46 no Oct 31 22:57:49 thats good Oct 31 22:57:55 but whats there should work Oct 31 22:58:05 i can get a perfect one later Oct 31 22:58:13 what i have in the reg exp in validChars is all the valid characters for a nick Oct 31 22:58:15 I am 100% sure Oct 31 22:58:19 and I even commented them Oct 31 22:58:27 with hex codes Oct 31 22:58:29 it works, I was just looking into parsing the namreply list Oct 31 22:58:52 that namreply is nick,nick,nick, right? Oct 31 22:59:08 * oil exits time machine, asks why dbsooner would want him to make an icon he did yesterday Oct 31 22:59:23 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/f/ff/Icon_WebOSInternals_Patches_Videoplayer.png Oct 31 22:59:25 it's mynick,=,#channel, Oct 31 22:59:31 because its not on the icon list Oct 31 22:59:35 it is Oct 31 22:59:37 so I had no idea it was there Oct 31 22:59:38 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons#Patch_Icons Oct 31 22:59:49 and those nicks have to strip the + from some names too Oct 31 22:59:50 is not Oct 31 22:59:58 + and @ and whatever is there Oct 31 23:00:01 it is now Oct 31 23:00:05 it was yesterday! Oct 31 23:00:17 i know, cause i just used the timemachine to go add it Oct 31 23:00:22 I wouldn't have gone through the trouble of downloading it to my machine from pre and uplaoding it to you if it wer there Oct 31 23:00:23 ;) Oct 31 23:00:51 http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Icons&diff=6814&oldid=6809 Oct 31 23:00:55 mmhmm.. LIES! Oct 31 23:01:09 * dBsooner pets Wikimedia. Oct 31 23:01:30 * dBsooner pets MediaWiki too. Oct 31 23:01:48 wIRC icon is nice Oct 31 23:04:03 pfft Oct 31 23:04:09 that page lies Oct 31 23:04:39 and, the 31st was yesterday in australia Oct 31 23:04:41 so ha! Oct 31 23:05:16 egaudet: how are you doing the nics? Oct 31 23:05:27 i still think the server should hold all nicks Oct 31 23:05:38 and maybe we could add a "inChannels" variable to each nick Oct 31 23:05:42 to keep track of them that way Oct 31 23:06:05 that way we can store what their level is in each channel Oct 31 23:06:11 like op in this one, voice in this one Oct 31 23:06:18 I disagree Oct 31 23:06:21 but keep it to just one nick object Oct 31 23:07:56 oil, I agree with server holding the nicks Oct 31 23:08:25 I just tried to tab-complete in firefox address bar. Oct 31 23:08:40 each channel having a list of nicks that are just the objects in the overall server nicks array? Oct 31 23:09:09 or do you think the server should hold a list of all channels the nick is in? Oct 31 23:10:10 the server holds the list of nicks Oct 31 23:10:15 and the nicks hold which channel they're in Oct 31 23:10:21 yea that's what I meant Oct 31 23:10:28 the channel can say, server, give me a list of nicks in here Oct 31 23:11:47 that would require parsing every single nick the server knows about at the time? Oct 31 23:12:29 when you get a list of nicks for a channel, you either add it, or add the channel to the one that already exists Oct 31 23:13:07 oil: how many features till wirc shows up in preware? Oct 31 23:13:43 Templarian: idk Oct 31 23:13:45 (just looking that the feature list has increased) Oct 31 23:13:57 good to see 10px default size on there. Oct 31 23:14:13 what about when a nick joins a channel? Oct 31 23:14:26 same thing, adds it or adds the channel to the one that exists Oct 31 23:14:32 and when they leave Oct 31 23:14:39 remove channel and nick if last channel Oct 31 23:14:43 right Oct 31 23:14:46 and then only care about channels that you are currently part of Oct 31 23:14:51 obviously Oct 31 23:14:52 right Oct 31 23:15:32 * Templarian hopes you guys are out doing stuff for halloween and not sitting in here all night. Oct 31 23:15:54 haven't decided yet Oct 31 23:15:59 ill be turning off the porch light and eating the candy Oct 31 23:16:41 i'll be taking candy *from* the visiting children Oct 31 23:17:03 oil, I haven't done any nick code, just in my head thinking about it Oct 31 23:17:11 right Oct 31 23:17:13 I gave new Package Manager Service versions to people visiting the IRC channel ... Oct 31 23:17:45 but I added part on deactivate :P Oct 31 23:17:53 i saw that disconnect thing xD Oct 31 23:18:31 i mean, it doesn't really matter if the nick stays around Oct 31 23:18:33 ok brb. rwhitby-treo and...? Oct 31 23:18:43 oil: is current Preware in good shape if someone adds text to the splash screens? Oct 31 23:18:53 (for a release that is) Oct 31 23:18:55 the splash screen could be added to Oct 31 23:19:01 its not ready for release Oct 31 23:19:15 oil it matters if they re-joined with different ops or something? Oct 31 23:19:17 oil: what needs to be done? Oct 31 23:20:31 its still not loading the control files Oct 31 23:20:47 it was, but it was screwing stuff up Oct 31 23:20:47 oil: ok Oct 31 23:20:59 so i was thinking about how to do it after everything else Oct 31 23:21:23 i also re-did a bunch of the package loading code so the control loading would be easier Oct 31 23:21:28 relatively untested Oct 31 23:21:40 oil: I'm testing version-specific feeds for patches at the moment in ipkgservice 0.9.15 alpha Oct 31 23:21:54 its at .15 already? Oct 31 23:21:54 lol Oct 31 23:22:32 egaudet, i think tab spacing is the standard for gentoo ebuilds, maybe that's why some programmers hate gentoo so much ;) Oct 31 23:29:09 * oil goes to family thing for a few hours Oct 31 23:35:45 oil: 0.9.14 was version specific feeds on install, 0.9.15 will update them in the upstart script Oct 31 23:38:42 rwhitby, this is probably a #C question, but I figured I could pick your brain. I get a "error: lvalue required as left operand of assignment" for the line of code "GST_BUFFER_FREE_FUNC (*outbuf) = av_free;" ... I can't figure out why an lvalue would be required here, so I'm assuming it's a syntax issue. Oct 31 23:39:51 what is GST_BUFFER_FREE_FUNC Oct 31 23:40:16 left operand always has to lvalue Oct 31 23:41:36 egaudet, oh i see. I think GST_BUFFER_FREE_FUNC is supposed to be defined in gst.h Oct 31 23:41:56 funny you mentioned that, I was looking to the other variables as the issue :P makes sense now Oct 31 23:41:58 egaudet, thank you :) Oct 31 23:42:13 zsoc: you're missing a macro definition, and it's interpreting it as a function call. Oct 31 23:42:15 that macro must modify *outbuf Oct 31 23:42:19 * zsoc writes "left operand always has to lvalue" 100 times on a whiteboard Oct 31 23:42:39 This makes sense, being another backport and all Oct 31 23:42:52 * zsoc find said macro in newer versions of lib and patches old lib Oct 31 23:44:56 actually, that line may not be necessary. Oct 31 23:53:46 Looking for alpha testers for ipkgservice 0.9.15 - I need some on webOS 1.2.1, and some on webOS 1.1.3, ... Oct 31 23:54:23 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.15_all.ipk Oct 31 23:54:43 after you install it, check the webos-patches feed definition, and make sure it has set the version correctly. Oct 31 23:57:06 any takers? Oct 31 23:57:27 This is actually amazing. I can't believe 9400 lines of code would force dependency on a newer version of a library because of one macro change (which doesn't do anything but stop gcc from outputting a warning which doesn't stop compiling). Oct 31 23:57:27 <_droO> im game, 1.2.1 sprint Oct 31 23:57:47 rwhitby: i'll do it Oct 31 23:57:54 Sorry to distract from your message rod, just venting D: Nov 01 00:00:06 rwhitby-treo: I found an idea to get user imputable patches Nov 01 00:00:23 ~spell imputable Nov 01 00:00:25 'imputable' may be spelled correctly Nov 01 00:00:37 ~dict imputable Nov 01 00:00:40 Dictionary 'imputable' (1 of 3): (usually followed by `to') able to be assigned or credited to; "punctuation errors ascribable to careless proofreading"; "the cancellation of the concert was due to the rain"; "the oversight was not imputable to him"; "decide to which of these motives such extraordinary scenes are referable"- Charles Dickens . Nov 01 00:00:47 imputable is a new word Nov 01 00:00:49 :) Nov 01 00:01:13 um, Charles Dickens is not that new ... ;-) Nov 01 00:01:26 rwhitby, i've regular-ed here for what, 2 months? I did not know of the ~dict functionality D: Nov 01 00:01:31 it's used wrong in that definition Nov 01 00:02:28 dBsooner: what's the idea? Nov 01 00:02:39 what's the postinst? Nov 01 00:02:52 rwhitby-treo: going Trick or treating, I'll tell you when I get back. Nov 01 00:02:57 what's the postinst? Nov 01 00:03:16 ... Nov 01 00:04:01 where's that thread on PreCentral that was listing 1.1.3 compatible patches ... Nov 01 00:04:13 What is the postinst for the ipkg service? Nov 01 00:04:24 because i did ipkg -o /var install Nov 01 00:04:28 and I need to run the postinst Nov 01 00:04:34 rwhitby-treo, what's the purpose of feed versioning? for compatibility? Nov 01 00:04:41 lit's the same as everything else Nov 01 00:04:52 dBsooner, it's where all the other postinsts are hidden Nov 01 00:04:55 zsoc: different feeds for 1.1.3 patches vs 1.2.1 patches vs 1.3.1 patches ... Nov 01 00:04:57 er, sorry 'stored' ;) Nov 01 00:05:07 /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/.postinst Nov 01 00:05:08 /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/? Nov 01 00:05:12 ok Nov 01 00:05:21 sorry, my family is bitching at me to get out the door Nov 01 00:05:27 lol Nov 01 00:05:28 and I JUST walked in the door Nov 01 00:05:29 rwhitby, ah, and it checks against... er... not uname... how exactly do you pull webos version? Is there an API? Nov 01 00:06:42 /etc/palm-build-info Nov 01 00:07:24 rwhitby-treo: src/gz webos-patches http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.2.1 Nov 01 00:07:30 egaudet, genius, thank you mate Nov 01 00:07:31 going to trick or treat now Nov 01 00:07:33 be back later Nov 01 00:08:14 ~dict Holloween Nov 01 00:08:16 could not find definition for Holloween Nov 01 00:08:17 zsoc: VERSION=`grep PRODUCT_VERSION_STRING /etc/palm-build-info | sed -e 's/.*=Palm webOS \([0-9.]*\).*/\1/'` Nov 01 00:08:41 rwhitby, ha, I was wondering how you pulled that out. tricky sed. i like it. Nov 01 00:08:41 ~spell Holloween Nov 01 00:08:43 possible spellings for Holloween: Halloween Hollower Hollowing Halloweens Hollowed Holocene Halloween's Hallowing Holloway Nov 01 00:08:56 ~dict Halloween Nov 01 00:08:57 Dictionary 'Halloween' (1 of 3): \Hal`low*een"\ (h[a^]l`l[-o]*[=e]n"), n. The evening preceding Allhallows or All Saints' Day (November 1); also the entire day, October 31. It is often marked by parties or celebrations, and sometimes by pranks played by young people. [Scot.] --Burns. Syn: Hallowe'en, Allhallows Eve. [1913 Webster + WordNet 1.5]. Nov 01 00:10:12 if anyone comes in here looking to alpha test ipkgservice please give them http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.15_all.ipk but make sure they don't use fileCoaster to try and install it ;-) Nov 01 00:10:17 Ok, maybe that sed isn't too tricky, but I feel like a sed noob :( It's almost like a whole programming language of it's own Nov 01 00:10:37 * zsoc install ipkgservice 0.9.15 Nov 01 00:10:44 zsoc: the worst thing about busybox sed is the lack of + Nov 01 00:12:11 rwhitby-treo, one day i will understand the significance of that, and be sad on the inside. Nov 01 00:12:31 It must be hard for the busybox maintainer(s). He(they) have to constantly take into account size vs. functionality Nov 01 00:12:52 zsoc: yeah, they do a great job. Nov 01 00:13:14 I agree :) World would not be the same without busybox, and I don't think I'm even qualified to make that statement. Nov 01 00:13:18 Mornin Nov 01 00:13:22 hi lingfish Nov 01 00:13:37 sup ladies Nov 01 00:13:37 * rwhitby-treo bbiab (gardening) Nov 01 00:13:37 * zsoc licks Puffy_wIRC_ Nov 01 00:13:44 My god.. a rarity.. a sleepin Nov 01 00:13:59 * Puffy_wIRC_ feels violated Nov 01 00:14:09 * zsoc slaps Puffy_wIRC_ around with a large trout Nov 01 00:14:23 How's that for old school irc? you should throw that as an easter egg somewhere in wIRC Nov 01 00:14:46 /oldschool Nov 01 00:14:52 haha Nov 01 00:15:24 oil egaudet hows shit Nov 01 00:17:18 I've successfully documented, navigated, and patched, every incompatibility necessary to backport every current major library and plugin set for Gstreamer 0.10.21.... it's really sad that no one will ever, ever, ever find use out of it except for me. At least no one outside of the palm community. Nov 01 00:18:17 ol Nov 01 00:20:03 Oh, what a tease. Update All.... This does nothing yet! ;) Nov 01 00:22:38 SirWill, it doesn't? Nov 01 00:23:20 In preware in package updates, there is a button that says Update All, Hadn't noticed it before. you tap it, and it says this does nothing yet... Nov 01 00:28:45 lalalalalalala Nov 01 00:29:15 wine + beer ~ lalalalalala Nov 01 00:30:22 Puffy_wIRC, just wine = LaLaLa Nov 01 00:32:29 did anyone fix the nick issue? Nov 01 00:36:30 Puffy_wIRC, what exactly is the nick issue? Nov 01 00:37:20 Puffy_wIRC, "fix" no Nov 01 00:39:38 rwhitby-treo, I think i've asked you this before, is there a specific reason why webos-internal's postinst scripts don't mount remount,rw /? Is redundancy a bad thing here? Nov 01 00:39:54 zsoc: the install does it Nov 01 00:40:08 installer that is Nov 01 00:40:08 ipkgservice does it Nov 01 00:40:16 but Nov 01 00:40:28 the packags should sorta Nov 01 00:40:34 I guess the idea is that no one is running the postinst manually unless they are debugging? Nov 01 00:40:58 since we can't always assume ipkgservice is gonna be used Nov 01 00:41:55 oil channel modes don't always show up for some reason Nov 01 00:42:40 zsoc: anyone running the postinst manually should know what they are doing. That's not aunt minnie territory. Nov 01 00:44:30 * rwhitby-treo continues the gardening ... Nov 01 00:46:52 * zsoc thinks reading rwhitby's /action's is like reading a Terry Pratchett book, dry humor and all Nov 01 00:51:35 * zsoc wonders where to check the webos-patches feed definition Nov 01 00:52:02 zsoc: feeds management page - it is even documented now Nov 01 00:52:52 How long has that been there and I hadn't seen it? Nov 01 00:52:59 eons Nov 01 00:53:03 Ha. Nov 01 00:53:15 ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.2.1 Nov 01 00:53:46 looks good here :) Nov 01 00:54:11 zsoc: can you edit that back to /all on the end instead of /1.2.1, and then do a reboot and check that it updates it to 1.2.1 again please? Nov 01 00:54:21 indeed, uno momento Nov 01 00:55:07 g'day Nov 01 00:57:17 ipkgservice 0.9.15 released - selects correct patches feed for your running webOS version. Nov 01 00:58:02 rwhitby, seems good :) Nov 01 00:58:18 Hello Nov 01 00:58:40 rwhitby, so in the future, are you going to have a holding place for new updates that have no "approved" patches yet? So it doesn't error out... Nov 01 00:58:58 rwhity I joined this IRC at your request to trouble shoot an application limit problem Nov 01 00:59:32 pjjohn73: hi Nov 01 00:59:56 Hi Nov 01 01:00:19 pjjohn73: do you have a command line on the Pre from which you can cut and paste the output? Nov 01 01:00:34 pjjohn73: what is your level of experience with the Linux command line? Nov 01 01:00:50 I was trying to install that a few minutes a go and restarted but I see no app icon to run Nov 01 01:01:20 my experience it a bit old.... so basic Nov 01 01:01:21 pjjohn73: install "what" ? please be specific so we don't have any misunderstandings ... Nov 01 01:02:20 ok i installed the terminal service plugin Nov 01 01:02:23 pjjohn73: and to confirm your situation, you have an app catalog application that installs when the package manager service (ipkgservice) is not installed, but does not install when ipkgservice is installed. is that correct? Nov 01 01:02:40 pjjohn73: Terminal is not a good choice - you can't cut and paste the output. Nov 01 01:03:04 pjjohn73: either ssh access, or novaterm access, or WebOS Quick Install Linux command line window is needed Nov 01 01:03:26 I can use webos quick install Nov 01 01:03:36 pjjohn73: (BTW, you needed the Terminal app, not the plugin - the app depends on the plugin and will install it automatically in Preware) Nov 01 01:03:49 my situation is that when using the palm app store ... I get the memory full error Nov 01 01:03:50 pjjohn73: ok, let me know when you've got that set up and are at the command line on the Pre Nov 01 01:04:23 pjjohn73: do you know how to use webos.pastebin.com ? Nov 01 01:04:38 webos quickinstall is ready Nov 01 01:05:13 no i dont no what pastebin is Nov 01 01:05:38 pjjohn73: go to that URL - you paste stuff into the text box, hit submit, and then tell us the URL it gives you Nov 01 01:05:55 ok Nov 01 01:06:10 pjjohn73: please pastebin the output from "ipkg -o /var list_installed" Nov 01 01:06:15 what do you want me to paste in the text box Nov 01 01:06:20 what's the best way to remove an element from an array in JS? Nov 01 01:06:21 ok Nov 01 01:07:02 pjjohn73: (be patient if I don't respond immediately, it's sunday here so I'm doing other things too) Nov 01 01:07:12 pjjohn73: (but I do want to get this solved) Nov 01 01:08:18 ok.. I ran the -o /var list_installed in webos quickinstall but not sure how to use pastebin, so bear with me. I don;'t see a submit button Nov 01 01:09:07 pjjohn73, it's the send button Nov 01 01:10:06 pjjohn73: ipkg -o /var list_installed Nov 01 01:10:08 ok i pasted it into pastebin Nov 01 01:10:14 pjjohn73: you missed the "ipkg" at the start Nov 01 01:10:39 ok Nov 01 01:10:43 Is the fact that I constantly have to access the same deep folder, and that I refuse to set an local environmental variable to it, make me stubborn, or lazy? Nov 01 01:11:23 ok done... Nov 01 01:11:56 zsoc, neither Nov 01 01:12:00 makes you foolish Nov 01 01:12:04 :P Nov 01 01:12:08 egaudet, ah, thank you. Nov 01 01:12:18 * zsoc likes his tab button too much Nov 01 01:12:31 you want to be lazy (i.e. not typing out the same deep folder over and over again) Nov 01 01:12:35 :) Nov 01 01:12:56 yea tab completion is awesome Nov 01 01:13:13 except once you get to systems that don't have it and you hit tab about 100 times before giving up lol Nov 01 01:13:20 I have a zsh friend who SWEARS by zsh tab completion, I just don't get the advantages. Nov 01 01:13:27 pjjohn73: ok, I need the output of "dbus-util --capture com.palm.appinstaller" while you're trying to install the app. Nov 01 01:13:58 zsoc: I'd just do a symlink ;-) Nov 01 01:14:11 while trying to install an app from palm app catalog? Nov 01 01:14:15 pjjohn73: yes Nov 01 01:14:22 how do i do that? Nov 01 01:14:36 pjjohn73: after you pastebin each thing, paste the URL it gives you back in here so we know where to look. Nov 01 01:15:09 pjjohn73: oh, that's a good point - I wonder if quick install's command line thingo can do this. Nov 01 01:15:42 what should I install on the pre to do this? Nov 01 01:16:13 pjjohn73: novaterm access would be best - what host PC OS do you use ? Nov 01 01:16:37 I am running WinXP Pro Nov 01 01:17:29 pjjohn73: looks like it will work in webos quick install Nov 01 01:17:44 oh ok Nov 01 01:17:45 type "dbus-util --capture com.palm.appinstaller" into the linux command line window Nov 01 01:17:55 ok Nov 01 01:18:10 it won't return immediately, since it will be waiting to report stuff that happens when you use the app catalog to install something Nov 01 01:18:45 quick question (please let me know if I need to wait for pjjohn73's issue to be resolved before submitting additonal questions), if i am using more than 100MB of space on /var will fair dinkum work. i ask because i have package manager service 0.9.15 installed and fair dinkum unistalled and i still get the out of memory error Nov 01 01:18:46 pjjohn73: having the Terminal app open on the Pre will be useful too Nov 01 01:18:46 ok trying to install now Nov 01 01:19:07 webos: what's the output of "df /var" ? Nov 01 01:19:11 OH MY GOD IT WORKED Nov 01 01:19:14 sorry. Nov 01 01:19:33 rwhitby i assume youw ant me to run that in terminal, correct? Nov 01 01:19:54 it seems to just be hanging. nothing happening Nov 01 01:19:55 webos: yes, or webos quick install linux command line, or novaterm, or ssh. Nov 01 01:20:09 pjjohn73, it's suppose to hang, just leave it Nov 01 01:20:10 pjjohn73: nothing will happen until you try to install something with the app catalog Nov 01 01:20:28 yes I have tried to install something already Nov 01 01:20:42 one sec Nov 01 01:20:59 pjjohn73: one sec, I'll test that on my Pre Nov 01 01:21:10 the printout in terminal seems garbled. let me run it in webos quickinstall Nov 01 01:21:34 Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/store-var 253920 150264 103656 59% /var root@castle: Nov 01 01:21:54 ok. no prob Nov 01 01:21:57 pjjohn73: are you sure you typed it correctly (without the quotes) ? Nov 01 01:22:11 i'll try it again Nov 01 01:22:32 df space/var no quotes. correct? Nov 01 01:22:33 webos: you're on the borderline of the 100MiB free (60%) Nov 01 01:22:38 i will double check. I copy and pasted. It does not have quotes Nov 01 01:22:50 oops hat wasnt at me Nov 01 01:23:03 ok. so does that me i need to use mvapp Nov 01 01:23:25 webos: if you have less than 102400 blocks available on /var, the app catalog will refuse to install, and you need to use mvapp (easy) or meta-doctor (more drastic) Nov 01 01:23:45 pjjohn73: and you tried to install something after you had pasted it into wosqi ? Nov 01 01:23:51 PuffTheMagic: you arount Nov 01 01:24:11 rwhitby: ok. just checking. i'll try mvapp. doesnt look too complciated Nov 01 01:24:11 this is what i have in webos quickinstall ..... dbus-util --capture com.palm.appinstaller Nov 01 01:24:33 yes i tried, i will do everything again... Nov 01 01:26:04 just copied this in command line.. (dbus-util --capture com.palm.appinstaller) and then tried to install an app. Nothing happens Nov 01 01:26:04 pjjohn73: ok, looks like it does not show the output unless you unplug the Pre Nov 01 01:26:23 pjjohn73: if you unplug the Pre after trying the install, you'll get the output. Nov 01 01:27:09 rwhitby: is it better to move homebrew apps so that the next webos update doesn't mess up app catalog apps? Nov 01 01:27:30 ok done and pasted Nov 01 01:27:45 pjjohn73: what is the URL the pastebin gave you back? Nov 01 01:28:31 I dont see a url?? Nov 01 01:28:46 pjjohn73: the URL in the web browser should have changed Nov 01 01:28:50 http://webos.pastebin.com/m37773d4a Nov 01 01:29:09 pjjohn73: what is the output of "df /var" right now? Nov 01 01:29:14 http://webos.pastebin.com/m37773d4a Nov 01 01:29:37 pjjohn73: the "result":2 is app catalog saying there is no space. now we find out why ... Nov 01 01:29:47 i c Nov 01 01:30:04 pjjohn73: what is the output of "df /var" right now? Nov 01 01:30:51 http://webos.pastebin.com/m2b4f178a Nov 01 01:31:01 27% Nov 01 01:32:07 is all you need is the URL? Nov 01 01:33:22 pjjohn73: yep Nov 01 01:33:35 ok, you have plenty of space left. Nov 01 01:33:53 k Nov 01 01:34:16 pjjohn73: please run "mv /usr/local/bin/ipkg /usr/local/bin/ipkg.save" - make sure you have no typing mistakes Nov 01 01:34:19 does the classic app put apps and books etc in this same space? Nov 01 01:34:24 ok Nov 01 01:34:48 done Nov 01 01:34:53 pjjohn73: it does, but you have 180+MiB free - you should only need 100MiB free. Nov 01 01:35:18 pjjohn73: can you run the dbus-util command again, try to install an app, and capture the output again? Nov 01 01:35:30 ok Nov 01 01:38:08 http://webos.pastebin.com/m10e9c7f1 Nov 01 01:39:07 pjjohn73: did the app install? Nov 01 01:39:23 nope. memory limit error Nov 01 01:39:54 pjjohn73: ok, that means that the ipkg wrapper in ipkgservice (which used to be in fair dinkum) is not the cause of the problem Nov 01 01:40:01 ni|: pong Nov 01 01:40:05 pjjohn73: to be sure, what is the output of "which ipkg" ? Nov 01 01:40:39 http://webos.pastebin.com/m3912b8da Nov 01 01:41:02 pjjohn73: ok, I know what's happening now. Nov 01 01:41:28 ok. cool... do i need to delete this?...............mv /usr/local/bin/ipkg /usr/local/bin/ipkg.save Nov 01 01:41:39 the saved one? Nov 01 01:41:47 pjjohn73: when fixing the ipkg wrapper for people who had less than 64MiB of applications installed, it's now not working for those with more than 64MiB installed (i.e. you). Nov 01 01:42:11 pjjohn73: move it back again "mv /usr/local/bin/ipkg.save /usr/local/bin/ipkg" Nov 01 01:42:36 ok will do................ so this is an unexpected side affect? Nov 01 01:43:01 pjjohn73: yes. we'll need to make the ipkg wrapper script smarter. Nov 01 01:43:40 rwhitby: i moved a bunch of apps using mvapp but still no luck. here's my output from df /var root@castle: df /var Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/store-var 253920 126608 127312 50% /var. Do I need to move more? Nov 01 01:43:41 so is that the package service manager? Nov 01 01:44:03 webos: you're hitting the same problem as pjjohn73 Nov 01 01:44:07 so is that the package service manager? the ipkg wrapper i mean' Nov 01 01:44:24 pjjohn73: no, that's the functionality from fair dinkum which has been added Nov 01 01:44:42 ic it is added in the preware app now? Nov 01 01:44:53 pjjohn73: it is added in the package manager service package Nov 01 01:45:03 are either of you able to edit a file on the Pre? Nov 01 01:45:17 i could try Nov 01 01:45:47 rwhitby: i've never edited a file before on the pre Nov 01 01:45:57 i had putty and some other apps on here once to edit files but no longer on here Nov 01 01:46:18 i could copy it using webos quickinstall edit it and put back Nov 01 01:46:29 correct Nov 01 01:46:33 pjjohn73: correct Nov 01 01:46:42 ill give it a shot then Nov 01 01:47:09 pjjohn73: ok, you need to get that ipkg file, and comment out (put a # at the start of the line) the line that has list_installed in it. Nov 01 01:47:24 hey guys. anyone able to get battery percentage patch working on 1.2.1? Nov 01 01:47:46 ok. what ipkg file am i getting and what is the path Nov 01 01:48:00 pjjohn73: make sure your editing program does not change it to DOS line endings. then put it back, run ls -l /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 01 01:48:11 pjjohn73: oh, hang on. Nov 01 01:48:30 ok hanging..... Nov 01 01:48:35 pjjohn73: I have a different idea. Nov 01 01:48:38 ok Nov 01 01:48:51 pjjohn73: mv /usr/local/bin/ipkg /usr/local/bin/ipkg.save Nov 01 01:49:21 done Nov 01 01:49:53 pjjohn73: echo 'echo "org.webosinternals.ipkgservice - 0.9.13 - Package Manager Service"' > /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 01 01:50:04 pjjohn73: make sure you cut and paste that to get the quotes right Nov 01 01:50:15 pjjohn73: chmod ugo+x /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 01 01:50:18 ok... starting with first echo? Nov 01 01:50:23 pjjohn73: yes Nov 01 01:50:42 done Nov 01 01:51:07 pjjohn73: type "/usr/local/bin/ipkg" to run it and it should output something Nov 01 01:51:34 permision denied Nov 01 01:51:47 did everyone go trick or treating? Nov 01 01:51:48 oil: ping Nov 01 01:51:49 egaudet: ping Nov 01 01:52:08 pjjohn73: did you run the chmod command? Nov 01 01:52:10 PuffTheMagic, pong Nov 01 01:52:19 nick stuff almost done Nov 01 01:52:23 egaudet: so u guys didnt come to a resolution about the nick sht? Nov 01 01:52:28 no. what exactly do i type? Nov 01 01:52:34 we did Nov 01 01:53:17 this work? mount -o remount,rw / Nov 01 01:53:50 hey PuffTheMagic, join #wirc_test with from wirc to test stuff so we don't have to flood this channel when we test various things Nov 01 01:54:05 I'm going to broadcast my trick-or-treating live Nov 01 01:54:19 rwhitby: will you take a break from gardening and make the 2 tmp repos visible untill i either fix pym or move them to proper dirs on webos Nov 01 01:54:30 pjjohn73: chmod ugo+x /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 01 01:54:50 ok, will i need to undo this command later? Nov 01 01:55:02 PuffTheMagic: no, cause people will blog and give the wrong web URLs Nov 01 01:55:35 http://webos.pastebin.com/m4167676b Nov 01 01:56:02 pjjohn73: try installing the app now Nov 01 01:56:18 rwhitby-treo: and that will affect you how? Nov 01 01:56:40 working now rwhitby Nov 01 01:56:58 the number of incorrect blog postings that people follow, and then come here or on threads when they no longer work, will increase. Nov 01 01:57:18 egaudet: you arent even in #webos_test Nov 01 01:57:23 wtf Nov 01 01:57:25 rwhitby: can i do what pjjohn73 did in wosqi? Nov 01 01:57:48 pjjohn73: ok, it's strange that that works for you now, but didn't work for dannns-guest last night. Nov 01 01:58:32 webos: yes, you can. Nov 01 01:58:32 hmm. what did you do excactly take me to the previous version? Nov 01 01:58:57 PuffTheMagic, I said #wirc_test Nov 01 01:59:05 oh Nov 01 01:59:07 :P Nov 01 01:59:18 rwhitby: i simply type each line (in the order that you provided) in the inuxcommand line box? Nov 01 01:59:34 do I need to undo this command?? ....................... chmod ugo+x /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 01 01:59:44 pjjohn73, webos: you can use this work-around for the moment. when the next version of ipkgservice is released, you will want to remove the new file you created and move the old one back into place before updating the Package Manager Service Nov 01 02:00:24 * rwhitby-treo ponders how to fix it correctly ... Nov 01 02:01:01 can you give me the command line to do that so I could copy it for later? Nov 01 02:01:19 oil: there is a new wIRC bug Nov 01 02:01:32 pjjohn73: rm /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 01 02:01:35 oil: i have to join a channel twice to spawn a new channel card! Nov 01 02:01:53 thats it? Nov 01 02:01:54 pjjohn73: mv /usr/local/bin/ipkg.save /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 01 02:02:02 pjjohn73: two commands Nov 01 02:02:39 PuffTheMagic, how do you get that bug? Nov 01 02:02:57 rwhitby: am i running these commands in linuxcommand line in webosqi? Nov 01 02:03:04 egaudet: i installed latest wIRC Nov 01 02:03:05 webos: yep Nov 01 02:03:08 and tried joining a channel Nov 01 02:03:11 I'm running latest wIRC Nov 01 02:03:12 and nothing happens Nov 01 02:03:13 without that issue Nov 01 02:03:15 then i join again Nov 01 02:03:18 webos: but don't do those two commands before you've done all the others Nov 01 02:03:19 and it get a new card Nov 01 02:03:21 ok simple enough....... do i need to undo this command? (chmod ugo+x /usr/local/bin/ipkg) Nov 01 02:03:21 maybe gotta way for MOTD to finish Nov 01 02:03:30 i do Nov 01 02:03:33 thats not the issue Nov 01 02:03:52 rwhitby: i got to the place where i was supposed to get an output but no output came up Nov 01 02:04:38 pjjohn73: the remove fixes that Nov 01 02:05:11 ok... Thanks rwhitby! Nov 01 02:05:46 PuffTheMagic, doesn't happen on my end hmm Nov 01 02:06:28 rwhitby: i guess i did this right because i can now install apps. i fell ass backwards into your solution. Nov 01 02:07:59 +rwhitby-treo: Thanks Nov 01 02:08:31 pjjohn73: hang around - I'm going to release a work-around test ipkg. Are you able to download and install an ipkg with wosqi? Nov 01 02:08:35 webos: you too Nov 01 02:09:23 bye all. have a good evening Nov 01 02:09:25 rwhity: thanks much for your help and patience. i want to verify that before i update the package manegr service i need to run the two followng commands: rm /usr/local/bin/ipkg and mv /usr/local/bin/ipkg.save /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 01 02:09:51 webos: yes - double check that you have a /usr/local/bin/ipkg.save file first Nov 01 02:10:01 pjjohn73: hang around Nov 01 02:10:09 rwhitby: how do i do that. Nov 01 02:10:10 ok Nov 01 02:10:19 pjjohn73: do you still have the work-around in place? Nov 01 02:10:34 webos: ls -l /usr/local/bin/ipkg.save Nov 01 02:11:12 hi anyone working on a irc client yet or is term and irssi still the work around just picked up a pre 3 weeks ago and installed sdk now Nov 01 02:11:35 yes I do Nov 01 02:11:57 rwhitby: i assume this output means i do: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 68 Oct 31 21:02 /usr/local/bin/ipkg.save -> /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/files/ipkg Nov 01 02:11:59 pjjohn73: echo 'echo "org.webosinternals.ipkgservice - 1.0.0 - Package Manager Service"' > /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 01 02:12:03 webos: that's correct Nov 01 02:12:27 oil, Nov 01 02:12:28 ping Nov 01 02:12:32 pjjohn73: run that, then try to install another app Nov 01 02:12:44 oil_pre ping Nov 01 02:13:06 eh? Nov 01 02:13:20 * oil_pre is still at family thing... Nov 01 02:13:24 escaping these quotes is gonna suck Nov 01 02:13:33 "" Nov 01 02:13:40 its gotta be done though Nov 01 02:13:50 I am getting "nick" === "nick" to be false Nov 01 02:13:53 still works.... what did this do? Nov 01 02:13:56 * egaudet hats js Nov 01 02:13:56 or else the app never gets it Nov 01 02:13:59 hates* Nov 01 02:14:29 actually i see a problem Nov 01 02:14:58 that last two apps I downloaded seemed to work... but I have no app icons in the launcher Nov 01 02:15:13 rescan Nov 01 02:15:48 oil_pre, answer me this. how do i log some object nick and get "etmp" but length that object is 1? That mean it's a String? or Nov 01 02:15:50 im going to restart Luna Nov 01 02:15:58 i haev the same problem as pjjohn73. Nov 01 02:15:59 egaudet.. did you have a q? Nov 01 02:16:00 pjjohn73: yes, the crude single line you have there will have that bad side-effect Nov 01 02:16:06 ^^ Nov 01 02:16:14 pjjohn73: that's why you need to wait for the update I'm going to push soon Nov 01 02:16:24 how do i get the type of an object Nov 01 02:16:34 blah.typeOf() ? Nov 01 02:16:53 *waiting* watches world series Nov 01 02:16:57 ok so should i undo the changes so for and wait? Nov 01 02:17:10 * oil_pre looks in log, sees you're typing quotes... Nov 01 02:18:04 you can't see quotes oil? Nov 01 02:18:08 hehe sorry Nov 01 02:18:21 the apps i downloaded seem as if they are not on the pre now.. are they on it not showing and taking up room? or really not on the pre? Nov 01 02:18:25 for logging an object I usually for x in obj alert obj[x Nov 01 02:18:56 that has nothing to do with my question :( Nov 01 02:19:04 any line with a quote in it fails in wirc Nov 01 02:19:23 I thought I saw you ask how to log Nov 01 02:19:45 pjjohn73, webos: yes, undo and wait Nov 01 02:19:52 I think I found my answer though Nov 01 02:20:02 rwhitby: got it. undoing. Nov 01 02:20:09 pjjohn73: when you revert the work-around the apps will reappear on a rescan Nov 01 02:20:09 ok Nov 01 02:20:09 I'm trying to compare an object vs. a string and it's obviously failing, so I gotta figure out why one of them is an object not a string Nov 01 02:20:23 oh Nov 01 02:20:25 and then nick stuff will be done soon Nov 01 02:20:34 nice Nov 01 02:20:54 has anyone started the nick view scene? Nov 01 02:21:05 oil: no Nov 01 02:21:07 pjjohn73: please confirm that the apps come back before I release this update Nov 01 02:21:10 * oil_pre will make it when he gets home Nov 01 02:21:11 oil_pre: idk where to put buttons Nov 01 02:21:26 oil_pre: we need a redesign of some things Nov 01 02:21:36 these stock palm widgests arent cutting it Nov 01 02:21:45 oh? Nov 01 02:21:53 egaudet: i have no idea hwo to escaped this quotes sanely Nov 01 02:22:06 from where from the wIRC Nov 01 02:22:09 the app i am trying to download from the app catalog or the preware/package service manager apps? Nov 01 02:22:11 or the daemon Nov 01 02:22:12 how so? Nov 01 02:22:23 oil_pre: we can talk when u get back Nov 01 02:22:27 im bug fixing now Nov 01 02:22:32 ok Nov 01 02:23:24 egaudet: if have a char **params Nov 01 02:23:29 and i want to get the number of elements Nov 01 02:23:31 can i do Nov 01 02:23:42 sizeof(params)/sizeof(char*) Nov 01 02:24:09 +rwhitby-treo: the app i am trying to download from the app catalog or the preware/package service manager apps? Nov 01 02:24:33 pjjohn73: the icons in your launcher Nov 01 02:24:33 PuffTheMagic, no Nov 01 02:24:38 sizeof(char*) = 4 Nov 01 02:24:54 so? Nov 01 02:25:02 egaudet: should we only allow AlphaNumeric and -'s in patch names? Nov 01 02:25:17 if params has 3 elements wont it be 12? Nov 01 02:25:26 ok, i will try .... just use the two commands to revert back correct? Nov 01 02:25:34 rm /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 01 02:25:45 mv /usr/local/bin/ipkg.save /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 01 02:25:49 correct Nov 01 02:26:37 egaudet: how do i get the number of elements then? Nov 01 02:26:39 err wait yea Nov 01 02:26:46 I think it depends on how you alloc'd it Nov 01 02:26:50 pjjohn73: yes Nov 01 02:27:00 egaudet: Was that "err wait yeah" to me or PuffTheMagic? Nov 01 02:27:13 if your params was alloc'd for the entire array of strings, I don't think it will work Nov 01 02:27:21 dBsooner, to PuffTheMagic and yea to you Nov 01 02:27:29 dBsooner, same restrictions as package id i guess Nov 01 02:27:40 which is no special chars Nov 01 02:27:46 i think Nov 01 02:27:47 except - Nov 01 02:27:50 yea Nov 01 02:27:55 k Nov 01 02:28:11 oh i dont need to calc this i forgot Nov 01 02:28:22 i already knoiw the number of params Nov 01 02:28:28 unsigned int count Nov 01 02:28:29 :D Nov 01 02:28:41 :) Nov 01 02:29:16 is there a ram mem req for running vm keep getting a low memory error Nov 01 02:29:23 the icons do not reappear... The apps appear as if they never downloaded. I go in the app catalog and I have the option to redownload.. but I can't do to the memory issue. Nov 01 02:29:35 so no way to comfirm if the icons will reappear Nov 01 02:30:56 pjjohn73: did you do a rescan? Nov 01 02:31:11 what do you mean by rescan? reload? Nov 01 02:31:23 install the Luna Manager application, and do a rescan Nov 01 02:31:41 ok. i have that installed.. will do Nov 01 02:32:30 so oil the this.nick is no longer special just an object reference into the server nicks[] Nov 01 02:32:37 ni|: ping Nov 01 02:32:50 nick webosNesta Nov 01 02:32:51 did a rescan and the downloaded apps did not show up as icons in the laucher.. is this what you expect to happen? Or should they be there? Nov 01 02:33:07 pjjohn73: are all your other icons back? Nov 01 02:33:08 i did a rescan as well. no apps Nov 01 02:33:37 pjjohn73: pastebin "cat /usr/local/bin/ipkg" please Nov 01 02:33:37 all of my original icons before talking to you are as should be Nov 01 02:33:46 ok Nov 01 02:34:46 http://webos.pastebin.com/m32ba0b8a Nov 01 02:35:08 pjjohn73: only 4 lines? Nov 01 02:35:19 yes Nov 01 02:35:32 pjjohn73: you've corrupted the file somewhere. Nov 01 02:35:42 pjjohn73: rm /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 01 02:35:59 ok done.. Nov 01 02:36:01 pjjohn73: then go into preware, update your feeds, and upgrade to package manager service 0.9.16 Nov 01 02:36:09 webos: same for you Nov 01 02:36:20 ok Nov 01 02:36:48 rwhitby: pastebin or rm /usr/local/bin/ipkg? Nov 01 02:37:09 updates feeds as preware loads correct? Nov 01 02:37:17 webos: rm Nov 01 02:37:41 pjjohn73: depends on your preferences. I have mine set to update manually, not on each launch Nov 01 02:37:57 ok. mine at load then Nov 01 02:38:07 installing now Nov 01 02:38:54 rwhitby: installing now Nov 01 02:39:24 please pastebin "cat /usr/local/bin/ipkg" and "ls -l /usr/local/bin/ipkg" after you have updated Nov 01 02:39:36 pjjohn73, webos: both of you please Nov 01 02:39:58 rwhitby: how do i generate a link to paste here? Nov 01 02:40:08 luna restarting will run in minute Nov 01 02:40:50 anyone get an hostmemory error after they installed the sdk Nov 01 02:41:11 webos: go to webos.pastebin.com Nov 01 02:41:18 thx Nov 01 02:41:45 http://webos.pastebin.com/m4c3deed2 Nov 01 02:41:59 still only 4 lines Nov 01 02:42:45 http://webos.pastebin.com/m7e0e9805 Nov 01 02:43:22 PuffTheMagic, pushed nick support to wIRC Nov 01 02:43:28 oil ^^ Nov 01 02:43:30 http://webos.pastebin.com/m7203c4ab Nov 01 02:43:33 can you both do "grep echo /usr/local/bin/ipkg" and pastebin the result? Nov 01 02:43:38 egaudet: ok now help me escape these quotes Nov 01 02:43:42 ok Nov 01 02:43:57 direct to me the code in question Nov 01 02:44:07 egaudet-ubuntu> git pull Nov 01 02:44:08 Already up-to-date. Nov 01 02:44:18 http://webos.pastebin.com/mde3529f Nov 01 02:44:23 http://webos.pastebin.com/m4339e9d9 Nov 01 02:44:47 can you both do "grep list_installed /usr/local/bin/ipkg" and pastebin the result? Nov 01 02:45:31 pjjohn73: reinstall the apps using the app catalog and tell me if they now appear Nov 01 02:45:31 http://webos.pastebin.com/m328a6f69 Nov 01 02:45:36 http://webos.pastebin.com/m67585c1c Nov 01 02:46:13 ok, you have both updated successfully - looks like webos quick install doesn't provide the full output of the command very well. Nov 01 02:46:28 rwhitby: the app appeared Nov 01 02:46:37 I have downloaded and the icon appears Nov 01 02:46:37 pjjohn73, webos: can you confirm whether app catalog is working now, and all icons are accounted for? Nov 01 02:46:50 yes Nov 01 02:46:59 seems to be working fine Nov 01 02:47:15 dannns-guest: can you please update to package manager service 0.9.16 and confirm that you can still install to? Nov 01 02:47:21 rhwitby: i jsut installed two apps and they both appeared. old apps were not affected Nov 01 02:47:23 pjjohn73: ok, you're done then :-) Nov 01 02:47:46 pjjohn73, webos: please pastebin "ls -l /usr/local/bin" output Nov 01 02:47:54 ok Nov 01 02:48:04 PuffTheMagic, ?? Nov 01 02:48:20 http://webos.pastebin.com/m7333d109 Nov 01 02:48:37 http://webos.pastebin.com/m4b31af87 Nov 01 02:48:38 webos: you're good to go. Nov 01 02:48:50 pjjohn73: you too. Nov 01 02:48:56 thanks for your help, both of you. Nov 01 02:48:59 egaudet: 1 sec i think i have a solution Nov 01 02:49:03 egaudet: actually see PM Nov 01 02:49:04 Great. Thank you for YOUR help Nov 01 02:49:09 egaudet: and look in client.c Nov 01 02:49:10 many thanks. hpe our little hiccup has contributed to some advancment Nov 01 02:49:13 egaudet: in dump_event Nov 01 02:49:26 thank YOU Nov 01 02:49:36 I have no PM Nov 01 02:49:44 webos: if we get people in here to debug, instead of just posting to threads, we can usually solve the problem. Nov 01 02:49:56 +rwhitby: Thank you so much.. Thanks for the work you put into this. Nov 01 02:50:04 understood. fyi ,y precentral handle is Nesta but i forget the irc commands Nov 01 02:50:14 my precentral tag.... Nov 01 02:50:38 glad to be of assistance Nov 01 02:50:40 I would imagine this makes debuging much faster Nov 01 02:52:26 pjjohn73: indeed it does. Nov 01 02:52:33 * rwhitby-treo goes back to the gardening ... Nov 01 02:52:53 +rwhitby-treo: Once again Thanks... Is there anything else you might need before I log off. Nov 01 02:53:09 pjjohn73: nope, we're all done thanks. Nov 01 02:53:19 Have a good night then.. Nov 01 02:53:23 pjjohn73: perhaps post in the thread your success. Nov 01 02:53:44 I will and already update my last post Nov 01 02:54:09 I will make a new post with my success and this link Nov 01 02:58:23 Supppppppp Nov 01 02:58:44 I'm wircin away **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 01 02:59:56 2009