**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 01 02:59:56 2009 Nov 01 03:04:47 ~spell apostrophe Nov 01 03:04:49 'apostrophe' may be spelled correctly Nov 01 03:05:00 ~dict apostrophe Nov 01 03:05:04 Dictionary 'apostrophe' (2 of 4): address to an absent or imaginary person ;; {single quote}. Nov 01 03:05:14 ~dict apostrophe Nov 01 03:05:16 Dictionary 'apostrophe' (1 of 4): the mark (') used to indicate the omission of one or more letters from a printed word. Nov 01 03:07:13 hi Nov 01 03:07:52 Hi Nov 01 03:08:06 I'm on wirc too Nov 01 03:08:37 lol Nov 01 03:09:37 it's a wirc party Nov 01 03:09:57 wow still connected... Nov 01 03:10:24 I may have broke something Nov 01 03:11:53 ok no Nov 01 03:12:10 Niceeee Nov 01 03:14:58 hey oil Nov 01 03:15:06 yeah Nov 01 03:15:13 is there a reason to even use the 353 to populate the nick list? Nov 01 03:15:33 besides getting all the nicks in a channel? Nov 01 03:15:34 on connect Nov 01 03:15:47 to populate the list Nov 01 03:16:23 when we do nick autocomplete we will need some sort of list to go off of Nov 01 03:16:33 and doing that could be the very first thing you do when you join Nov 01 03:16:42 yea Nov 01 03:16:56 once we actually start needing to use the list (nick list, tab etc...) Nov 01 03:17:37 I'll let you make the regex parse for that 353 :P Nov 01 03:17:45 lol Nov 01 03:17:51 well you can't have spaces in names, right? Nov 01 03:17:55 right Nov 01 03:18:12 so once you chop off the other stuff, it's just a bunch of nicks separated by spaces Nov 01 03:18:24 so params[3].split(" ") Nov 01 03:18:32 it displays as blarg,blarg,blarg Nov 01 03:18:35 but its an array Nov 01 03:18:38 thats just how its printed Nov 01 03:18:43 oh Nov 01 03:18:44 in the debug stuff Nov 01 03:18:51 3rd element in teh array Nov 01 03:19:00 is a space-separated list Nov 01 03:19:03 rather Nov 01 03:19:03 4th Nov 01 03:19:09 0 is first Nov 01 03:19:21 well then nice Nov 01 03:19:25 but yeah, i can do that Nov 01 03:19:25 I'll start doing that Nov 01 03:19:26 xD Nov 01 03:19:31 and ill probably change what you added Nov 01 03:19:41 I just didn't want to make the regex :P Nov 01 03:19:49 to put addchannel/removechannel in the nick model Nov 01 03:19:55 then have one getnick function Nov 01 03:20:07 to get the nick, then do .addchannel() to it Nov 01 03:20:21 and then what to do remove channel? Nov 01 03:20:31 .removechannel() Nov 01 03:20:40 you only have one getnick Nov 01 03:21:01 you get the nick where they part or whatever Nov 01 03:21:04 server.getnick(nick, channel) is what you gonna do? Nov 01 03:21:05 then .removechannel Nov 01 03:21:23 server.getnick(nick).removechannel() Nov 01 03:21:46 removechannel(channel) Nov 01 03:22:26 and the removechannel function would remove that nick from the server if its the last channel Nov 01 03:22:42 yea Nov 01 03:22:47 that is how it should be Nov 01 03:22:52 you are right! Nov 01 03:23:01 both ways work Nov 01 03:23:09 it's not about working though Nov 01 03:23:13 i would just prefer to keep the nick stuff in its model Nov 01 03:23:16 OOP says you are right Nov 01 03:23:59 you want me to do that while you do... what did you say you were going to work on next Nov 01 03:24:42 doesnt matter to me Nov 01 03:24:54 i was going to add the nick list Nov 01 03:25:33 what was puff on about not liking the widgets? Nov 01 03:29:41 what widgets Nov 01 03:29:44 mojo widgets Nov 01 03:30:58 PuffTheMagic: oil_pre: idk where to put buttons Nov 01 03:30:58 PuffTheMagic: oil_pre: we need a redesign of some things Nov 01 03:30:58 PuffTheMagic: these stock palm widgests arent cutting it Nov 01 03:32:47 Puff just disappeared, he fell into the abyss of segfaults Nov 01 03:33:03 trying to fix the quote problem Nov 01 03:45:23 hi Nov 01 03:46:41 anyone here? Nov 01 03:46:45 no Nov 01 03:47:45 i want to ask about the meta doctor problem Nov 01 03:48:05 i dont know if rwhitby-treo is here Nov 01 03:48:11 he would be the one who knows about it Nov 01 03:49:08 thanks alot Nov 01 03:50:20 what should removeChannel() return? Nov 01 03:50:32 oil ^ Nov 01 03:51:16 nothing Nov 01 03:51:29 probably doesn't need to Nov 01 03:51:34 you could always do a true/false Nov 01 03:51:44 true it deleted it, false it didn't or wasn't there or something Nov 01 03:51:57 incase we find a reason to test it later Nov 01 03:53:03 array_ didn't hang around long ... Nov 01 03:53:33 that's common Nov 01 03:53:51 I don't think people understand that we don't live with the irc channel on the inside of our eyes. Nov 01 03:54:21 maybe he thought oil was being serious about nobody being here Nov 01 03:54:23 * rwhitby-treo is taking a break from the heat Nov 01 03:54:52 his "thanks alot" came off jerky, too Nov 01 03:54:58 like "thanks for nothing" Nov 01 03:56:54 im back Nov 01 03:57:03 yeah - hard to gauge tone electronically Nov 01 03:58:06 rick_home: i dont answer questions from new people till they have bin on min 5 min Nov 01 03:58:19 i hate the sign on for .5 seconds and bust out a question Nov 01 03:58:27 then sign off 1 min later Nov 01 03:59:44 oil: whats new Nov 01 03:59:58 oil: about those widgets Nov 01 04:00:11 i think they they are too big and dont suit a irc client well Nov 01 04:00:15 wastes too much space Nov 01 04:00:19 we have lots of shit to include Nov 01 04:00:34 im not saying i dont like what you have done so far Nov 01 04:00:42 i just think we are gonna need some custom shit Nov 01 04:00:55 what other shit are we going to include that wont fit in whats there? Nov 01 04:01:05 are there screenshots somewhere of what you guys are working on? Nov 01 04:01:42 we have no way of showing topic, buttons to join channels, button to show nick list, etc. Nov 01 04:01:51 ^^ just what i could think of in 10s Nov 01 04:02:09 we can make stuff fit Nov 01 04:02:34 by compromising what? Nov 01 04:02:46 idk Nov 01 04:02:46 cant fit anything in the channel header Nov 01 04:02:48 egaudet: PING! Nov 01 04:02:49 you could use a scroller - horizontally, having it snap between a chat view and nick list Nov 01 04:02:51 thats already filled Nov 01 04:02:55 its not filled Nov 01 04:02:57 dBsooner, pong Nov 01 04:03:01 egaudet: Update feeds.. Nov 01 04:03:03 oil: yes it is Nov 01 04:03:06 There is something pretty in there Nov 01 04:03:13 dBsooner: I'm going to start marking patches as 1.3.1 compatible as I test them Nov 01 04:03:28 dbeames@beames-laptop:~/PalmPre/git/build/autopatch$ ls */Makefile | wc -l Nov 01 04:03:28 104 Nov 01 04:03:39 There are 104 Makefiles in autopatch Nov 01 04:03:43 which means..... Nov 01 04:04:32 rwhitby-_ see pm Nov 01 04:04:37 nice! Nov 01 04:04:44 :D Nov 01 04:04:45 104 patches, milestone! Nov 01 04:04:48 Yup Nov 01 04:05:06 105 would be the No Quick Launcher Nov 01 04:05:40 rwhitby-_: That is an excellent idea. Nov 01 04:05:53 rwhitby-_: Have you fixed the build script yet? Nov 01 04:06:04 dBsooner: fixed what? Nov 01 04:06:27 special chars in feeds Nov 01 04:06:36 canuck software hasn't built in days Nov 01 04:06:45 xml.sax._exceptions.SAXParseException: ../../downloads/canuck-software-feed.xml:69:21: not well-formed (invalid token) Nov 01 04:06:46 make[1]: *** [build/.built] Error 1 Nov 01 04:07:04 same with precentral.net's xml Nov 01 04:07:06 dBsooner: that's an error message from his hosting provider Nov 01 04:07:24 * oil thinks more patches need to be prefixed with "keytoss" Nov 01 04:07:32 xD Nov 01 04:07:42 oil: how many are at the moment? Nov 01 04:07:43 oil, just wanna say Nov 01 04:07:48 lol Nov 01 04:07:52 i was pissed when i saw another blocked app in the app catalog Nov 01 04:07:54 rwhitby: look at the mason log Nov 01 04:07:58 lol Nov 01 04:07:59 yeah Nov 01 04:08:01 doesn't even look as good Nov 01 04:08:02 rwhitby-_: it's full of errors Nov 01 04:08:04 dBsooner: some themes have invalid xml Nov 01 04:08:08 a dollar more, half as many puzzles Nov 01 04:08:17 rwhitby-_: But its causing things not build right Nov 01 04:08:17 im shocked there isn't a review pointing that out yet Nov 01 04:08:33 dBsooner: I fixed the problems with titles, I can't do anything with authors who submit themes with invalid xml, and doesn't stop anything else being built. Nov 01 04:08:35 rwhitby-_: all of a sudden I get an "update" for a program that shows "Update available as of last week." Nov 01 04:08:49 dBsooner: which package? Nov 01 04:08:50 oil, do you have to buy to review? if so, then no wonder Nov 01 04:08:59 yeah, you do Nov 01 04:09:03 no one's gonna pay for that app knowing there is another, better one out there Nov 01 04:09:32 PuffTheMagic: http://i34.tinypic.com/212955d.png Nov 01 04:09:35 there is still tons of space Nov 01 04:09:36 rwhitby-_: org.pixelpipe.pre Nov 01 04:09:42 PreCentral is feed Nov 01 04:09:44 even with the user list button Nov 01 04:09:55 dBsooner: oh, you mean an app, not a theme. Nov 01 04:10:00 rwhitby-_: Yes Nov 01 04:10:04 oil: that channel name is tiny and the channel modes are missing Nov 01 04:10:08 "last updated 10/28" Nov 01 04:10:15 so some stuff gets cut Nov 01 04:10:20 such is life on a small ass screen Nov 01 04:10:21 but the update showed up yesterday, not the 28th Nov 01 04:10:29 this isn't a desktop app Nov 01 04:10:39 oil: or we could come up with better widgets Nov 01 04:10:55 but im not saying we have to do that now Nov 01 04:10:57 and just throw user familiarity out the window? Nov 01 04:10:58 just food for thought Nov 01 04:11:12 i mean, to be honest Nov 01 04:11:17 im perfectly fine with stuff getting cut off Nov 01 04:11:22 functionality > familiarity Nov 01 04:11:28 so they can't see the channel modes Nov 01 04:11:31 whoopde do Nov 01 04:11:36 i never look at them Nov 01 04:11:37 this app isnt for aunt minnie Nov 01 04:11:45 am i aunt minnie? Nov 01 04:11:50 rwhitby-_: so this from canuck is not a problem: File "/usr/lib/python2.5/xml/sax/handler.py", line 38, in fatalError raise exception Nov 01 04:12:16 here we go again Nov 01 04:12:19 dBsooner: canuck-software xml file is broken. nothing I can do. Nov 01 04:12:28 rwhitby-_: 10-4 Nov 01 04:12:28 dBsooner: try downloading the xml file manually to check it Nov 01 04:12:43 rwhitby-_: Not my problem, no? ;) Nov 01 04:12:55 dBsooner: nope Nov 01 04:13:05 oil: do you know what \u001f is Nov 01 04:13:14 no Nov 01 04:13:19 but i could google it Nov 01 04:14:05 rwhitby-_: Did you get my pm's to you about 3 hours ago to rwhitby-treo? Nov 01 04:14:43 oil: im not sure "quotes" is whats causing the issue Nov 01 04:15:25 dBsooner: yep Nov 01 04:15:29 why not? Nov 01 04:15:49 it breaks the json Nov 01 04:15:52 rwhitby-_: Ahh, you didn't reply, so I didn't know. Nov 01 04:15:54 it can't be parsed Nov 01 04:16:02 i dont see how that couldn't be it Nov 01 04:16:17 since as soon as a message has a quote in it it errors Nov 01 04:17:02 if i escape the \"quotes\" manually Nov 01 04:17:04 it works fine Nov 01 04:19:14 :/ Nov 01 04:19:19 egaudet: can you make the postinst_extra and prerm_extra for No Launcher really quick? Nov 01 04:19:24 I would like to push that. Nov 01 04:19:36 since we probably aren't going to decide on an update anytime soon. Nov 01 04:19:47 Preston did good work on it and it deserves to go out. Nov 01 04:20:24 oil: What was that comment about KeyToss? Nov 01 04:20:29 it's one line change and a transparent image Nov 01 04:20:31 a joke Nov 01 04:20:47 rather, an attempt at a joke Nov 01 04:20:47 egaudet: so what.. he put it together, took screenshots and uploaded it. Nov 01 04:21:03 cool Nov 01 04:21:07 Which is more than most of the other submits I got did. Nov 01 04:21:20 but it's the first of it's kind dBsooner and can't be taken lightly Nov 01 04:21:39 OK. Nov 01 04:22:03 but I'm in the middle of something Nov 01 04:22:14 wirc > patch Nov 01 04:22:15 xD Nov 01 04:22:17 if it's decided we want an exception for this i'll do it a little later Nov 01 04:22:29 though Nov 01 04:22:32 i do want to use that patch Nov 01 04:22:36 So do I. Nov 01 04:22:47 i thought you had it manually installed? Nov 01 04:22:52 I did Nov 01 04:23:04 but I tend to remove things so i can test all the new submissions Nov 01 04:23:10 ah Nov 01 04:23:15 untill I get my emu running better. Nov 01 04:24:17 My son turned out to be a good zombie - http://unsociable.org/photos/albums/Connor/zombie01.jpg Nov 01 04:24:30 And thankfully my pre was there to help catch a good shot of it Nov 01 04:24:40 playing with the pink car makes the picture perfect Nov 01 04:24:45 * psykoz grins Nov 01 04:24:49 it's not a patch it's a patch/theme hybrid Nov 01 04:24:55 :P Nov 01 04:25:53 egaudet: Still more of a patch Nov 01 04:26:03 I see a theme as changing lots more than just the launcher Nov 01 04:28:26 the only patch part of it is increasing the app launcher's height Nov 01 04:28:35 the patch is really a theme because it themes the quick launch image Nov 01 04:28:39 to be transparent Nov 01 04:28:55 and then it grows the app launcher to make it look better, but it's definitely not a patch Nov 01 04:29:08 ok fine Nov 01 04:29:41 it's just so simple that it doesn't deserve to be a theme Nov 01 04:30:00 but I'll make the strict scripts for the exception tomrrow the latest Nov 01 04:34:30 oil pushed Nov 01 04:34:50 addChannel, removeChannel, getNick, 353 NAMREPLY Nov 01 04:35:17 awesome Nov 01 04:35:20 * egaudet goes to help debug wIRCd Nov 01 04:39:59 yay! Nov 01 04:41:08 hi all Nov 01 04:43:48 .join #webos-watercooler Nov 01 04:45:26 oil ping Nov 01 04:46:04 this \"message\" from wIRC has quotes Nov 01 04:46:08 fuck Nov 01 04:46:20 well i escaped them Nov 01 04:46:59 but I see them in quassel Nov 01 04:47:06 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2009927&posted=1#post2009920 Nov 01 04:47:08 but i DONT see them in wIRC Nov 01 04:47:17 so i dont think this is right Nov 01 04:47:34 i wonder if my profanity scared dwhall and bhuey away **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 01 04:47:38 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 01 04:47:57 2009 Nov 01 04:47:58 nslu2-log has gone away! Nov 01 04:48:04 or not Nov 01 04:48:20 oil: escaping the quotes is NOT the right fix Nov 01 04:48:43 dBsooner, no newline at end of file is not the cause Nov 01 04:48:48 of any problems RE: thread on p Nov 01 04:48:48 pc* Nov 01 04:48:50 egaudet: it fixed it Nov 01 04:49:01 had to done something else Nov 01 04:49:13 it ran fine after I deleted thsoe lines Nov 01 04:49:17 probably CR's Nov 01 04:49:41 oil: RESPOND! Nov 01 04:49:43 :D Nov 01 04:49:46 why are you putting out packages without verifying patch applies first? Nov 01 04:49:56 ? Nov 01 04:49:59 lol Nov 01 04:50:09 * oil just got back Nov 01 04:50:11 oil: escaping quotes in the service is not right Nov 01 04:50:31 it fixes the issue for wIRC but breaks it for every other client Nov 01 04:50:32 so you added it and it still didn't work? Nov 01 04:50:42 egaudet: I verified all of them except that one Nov 01 04:50:43 see \"this\" Nov 01 04:50:45 not talking about breaking outgoing quotes Nov 01 04:50:48 im talking about incomming quotes Nov 01 04:50:55 whats in teh params field of the json Nov 01 04:50:58 dBsooner, the \no newline thing is part of context so the only way it would have caused problem is if the original file the patch was generated off was wrong (i.e. contained newline vs. not containing newline in stock doctor) Nov 01 04:51:00 needs to be escaped Nov 01 04:51:02 incomming in what sense Nov 01 04:51:11 i THINK Nov 01 04:51:19 so when the message gets to the service Nov 01 04:51:23 before its put into json Nov 01 04:51:25 oil: i escaped all quotes in params Nov 01 04:51:36 but anyway, stupid windoze creating patches for linux files :( Nov 01 04:51:42 oil: i am not following Nov 01 04:51:43 escaping them in outgoing doesn't make sense Nov 01 04:51:56 egaudet: I'm telling you, all I did was delete everything below the actual "code" of the patch. Nov 01 04:52:06 and saved it.. scp'd it to pre. rand dry-run, fixed. Nov 01 04:52:09 oil: incomming/outgoing is confusing idk what you are tlaking about Nov 01 04:52:24 incoming to service or incomming to wIRCd Nov 01 04:52:27 incoming to service or incomming to wIRC Nov 01 04:52:31 to wirc Nov 01 04:52:45 dBsooner, you probably saved it in unix mode Nov 01 04:52:52 oil: incomming ot wIRC is outgoing from wIRCd Nov 01 04:52:53 and it was in dos mode before ( containing) Nov 01 04:52:59 "test" Nov 01 04:53:09 {"sessionToken":"1.56.29","event":"PRIVMSG","origin":"oil!n=oil@66-189-216-38.dhcp.ykma.wa.charter.com","params":["#webos-internals",""test""]} Nov 01 04:53:13 and every param w/ "quotes" going out of wIRCD is escaped Nov 01 04:53:14 that is broken json Nov 01 04:53:35 {"sessionToken":"1.56.29","event":"PRIVMSG","origin":"oil!n=oil@66-189-216-38.dhcp.ykma.wa.charter.com","params":["#webos-internals","\"test\""]} is not broken Nov 01 04:53:43 oil: that looks like you need to add escapes in wIRC before sending out Nov 01 04:53:55 thats from wircd to wirc Nov 01 04:53:57 can you change the pass Nov 01 04:53:59 thats what wircd sends wirc Nov 01 04:54:10 like in PHP.. 'this "is ok" to do' Nov 01 04:54:20 i am so confused Nov 01 04:54:29 you don't have to escape parentheses inside of quotes Nov 01 04:54:41 err.. not parentheses.. Nov 01 04:54:45 double quotes Nov 01 04:55:11 {"sessionToken":"1.56.29","event":"PRIVMSG","origin":"oil!n=oil@66-189-216-38.dhcp.ykma.wa.charter.com","params":["#webos-internals",'"test"']} Nov 01 04:55:12 oil: i still dont get what you want me to do Nov 01 04:55:18 could you do that.. ^^ Nov 01 04:55:25 when wircd sends data to wirc Nov 01 04:55:32 the items in the params array Nov 01 04:55:41 need to have quotes escaped Nov 01 04:55:57 so "test" Nov 01 04:56:05 becomes \"test\" Nov 01 04:56:10 so when its in the json string Nov 01 04:56:15 dBsooner: 10 patches for 1.3.1 so far Nov 01 04:56:16 its "\"test\"" Nov 01 04:56:20 woah!!! Nov 01 04:56:24 rwhitby-_: pm.. Nov 01 04:56:49 oil: you mean when wIRC uses client_cmd_msg i need to escap quotes in text? Nov 01 04:56:59 no Nov 01 04:57:18 when wircd sends data to wirc through the client_connect subscription Nov 01 04:57:19 oil: w/ the service I have now, i escape all quotes in params[] Nov 01 04:57:33 and that is not the right fix Nov 01 04:57:44 are you in this channel on that service? Nov 01 04:57:49 PuffTheMagic: what about my idea? it works in PHP.. so I thought it might work in java.. Nov 01 04:57:57 php and java? Nov 01 04:57:59 yes right here Nov 01 04:58:00 this is c and javascript Nov 01 04:58:04 lol Nov 01 04:58:11 ok Nov 01 04:58:14 Alot of languages are the same Nov 01 04:58:21 do you see "this" message in your chat window? Nov 01 04:58:23 s/same/similar/ Nov 01 04:58:24 dBsooner meant: Alot of languages are the similar Nov 01 04:58:34 oil are you on a non wIRC client? Nov 01 04:58:41 this is just data to wirc Nov 01 04:58:45 where it starts doesn't matter Nov 01 04:58:51 there may very well be a problem the other direction Nov 01 04:58:56 the only one im talking about is one direction Nov 01 04:59:01 did you see that message? Nov 01 04:59:25 oil: your "fix" fixed shit in one direction then broke shit in another direction Nov 01 04:59:41 so you got the quoted message to wirc? Nov 01 04:59:54 i could very well need to quote shit i send to wircd Nov 01 04:59:55 this new IRC app seems to have dropped the level of social discourse in this channel ... Nov 01 05:00:08 yup Nov 01 05:00:20 this message is from \"wIRC\" through \"wIRCd\"... see how its broken Nov 01 05:00:20 no kidding. Nov 01 05:00:56 it certainly looks broken Nov 01 05:01:01 * rwhitby-_ points to http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.3.1/ as an initial batch ... Nov 01 05:01:07 oil: it looks right on wIRC though Nov 01 05:01:12 but it looks broken on quassel Nov 01 05:01:14 One wonders if our vocabular is going to descend from it's previous elysian heights into vile invective and vague comonality. Nov 01 05:01:33 rick_home++ Nov 01 05:01:34 i think you made too many changes Nov 01 05:01:41 ~karma rick_home Nov 01 05:01:41 rick_home has neutral karma Nov 01 05:01:42 i was only talking about the one problem Nov 01 05:01:55 that mesages with quotes werent getting to the app Nov 01 05:02:02 rick_home: this is 1 bottle of wine + 1 22oz beer + 1 shot of sambuca + 1 manhattan's fault Nov 01 05:02:04 i never tried quotes from wirc to the service Nov 01 05:02:05 not wIRC's fault Nov 01 05:02:17 ~karma rwhitby Nov 01 05:02:18 rwhitby has neutral karma Nov 01 05:02:22 ahhh Nov 01 05:02:29 ~karma oil Nov 01 05:02:29 oil has neutral karma Nov 01 05:02:36 lol Nov 01 05:03:18 PuffTheMagic: -- I am afraid I have little personal experiance. 8 oz of ethanol causes you to be able to function analytically but vulgarly? Wow, that's an odd thing. :-) Nov 01 05:03:48 "shit" is vulgar? Nov 01 05:04:01 vulgar by smell? Nov 01 05:04:21 lol Nov 01 05:05:09 rick_home: alcohol lowers your inhibitions not analytical skills Nov 01 05:05:11 just so I can learn something, how do I know if a file exists only in the v1.3.1-0 branch? Nov 01 05:05:23 so, did the change to params allow quoted messages to get to wirc? Nov 01 05:09:16 oil: i thought i explained that Nov 01 05:09:41 oil: it allows quoted messages to get to wIRC but then shows \ to all non wIRC clients Nov 01 05:09:59 so it looks like messages from wirc to wircd Nov 01 05:10:10 need ot be stripped of quoted slashes before being sent to the interwebs Nov 01 05:10:31 you need to do that in wIRC before sending them to wIRCd Nov 01 05:10:33 i beleive Nov 01 05:10:37 i never add quotes Nov 01 05:10:42 i mean slashes Nov 01 05:10:47 thats the problem Nov 01 05:11:02 you need to search for " in any message and replace it with \" Nov 01 05:11:03 the json that wirc sends to wircd should be slashed Nov 01 05:11:15 which it looks like it already is Nov 01 05:11:33 wircd needs to strip them before sending the string to the internet Nov 01 05:12:00 \"this\" Nov 01 05:12:09 was using this service Nov 01 05:12:14 the one i have Nov 01 05:12:21 so its already slashed when it gets to the service Nov 01 05:12:29 right Nov 01 05:12:42 so the service should strip the slashed quotes before sending it out Nov 01 05:12:45 to the internet Nov 01 05:12:47 i can remove slashes from client_cmd_msg Nov 01 05:12:55 oil: OR Nov 01 05:13:01 we could encode the message some how Nov 01 05:13:03 and probably anywhere else its sent out Nov 01 05:13:05 which might be easier Nov 01 05:13:30 how would we encode it? Nov 01 05:14:03 uuencode? Nov 01 05:14:04 idk Nov 01 05:14:35 i mean, stripping the slashes of anything the service gets from the app would do it Nov 01 05:14:35 searching for \" is gonna be a bitch Nov 01 05:15:19 egaudet: u reading this Nov 01 05:15:26 how the hell are we gonna do this Nov 01 05:15:57 no I'm not reading it Nov 01 05:16:05 what are you guys talking about? Nov 01 05:16:13 lol Nov 01 05:16:22 all will be fine Nov 01 05:16:26 egaudet: we have to find \" and replace it with \\" Nov 01 05:16:31 why Nov 01 05:16:32 err Nov 01 05:16:38 find \" and replace it with " Nov 01 05:16:46 for messages sent from wirc to wircd Nov 01 05:16:50 before wircd uses it Nov 01 05:18:03 what is wircd gonna use it for Nov 01 05:18:13 and why is wirc sending \ Nov 01 05:18:16 just to strip them out before sending it to the internet Nov 01 05:18:24 wirc does because they get escaped by the json functions Nov 01 05:20:18 it HAS to for the json to be valid Nov 01 05:21:08 so sending to the service you have to do "key":"value \"quotes\"" Nov 01 05:21:10 egaudet: so it sounds like we are looking for \\\" and replacing it with \" Nov 01 05:21:13 so really Nov 01 05:21:15 its more like Nov 01 05:21:19 remove \\'s Nov 01 05:21:32 \\\"? Nov 01 05:21:42 the escaped quote is escaped Nov 01 05:21:43 ? Nov 01 05:21:43 strstr to the rescue Nov 01 05:22:00 im lost Nov 01 05:22:06 i have no idea what the issue is any more Nov 01 05:22:09 lol Nov 01 05:22:17 i really don't know how else to explain it Nov 01 05:22:49 testes Nov 01 05:23:05 \"testes\" Nov 01 05:23:36 PuffTheMagic, Nov 01 05:23:45 do you see quotes in wIRC with your service? Nov 01 05:23:52 nope Nov 01 05:24:03 err Nov 01 05:24:04 yes Nov 01 05:24:07 i dont see the \ Nov 01 05:24:24 so you see "this" Nov 01 05:24:26 lalalala Nov 01 05:24:33 did you see that? Nov 01 05:24:35 egaudet: "no" Nov 01 05:24:56 so the service still isn't escaping quotes it sends to the app Nov 01 05:25:08 \"nope\" Nov 01 05:25:16 maybe we should just come back to this when puff hasn't been drinking Nov 01 05:25:23 lol Nov 01 05:25:33 egaudet: using a "clean" serice Nov 01 05:25:34 i really don't know any other way to explain it then i already have Nov 01 05:25:34 service Nov 01 05:25:38 there is 2 problems Nov 01 05:25:41 on that I havent added that loop to Nov 01 05:25:44 both fixable by the service Nov 01 05:25:57 when i send a message with quotes from wIRC you guys dont see it Nov 01 05:26:06 i mean Nov 01 05:26:19 when i send a message with quotes from wIRC you guys get \" Nov 01 05:26:28 when a message is sent from a non wIRC client with quotes Nov 01 05:26:32 wIRC does not get anything Nov 01 05:26:34 right Nov 01 05:26:42 yea I'm trying to fix the latter first Nov 01 05:26:52 messages from wircd to wirc need to be escaped Nov 01 05:27:10 messages from wirc to wircd need to have the slashes stripped Nov 01 05:29:00 If I could build for the emulator it would speed up debugging tenfold! Nov 01 05:29:15 egaudet: why are you so slow Nov 01 05:29:26 it should make no difference Nov 01 05:29:28 its the pre Nov 01 05:29:31 still need to scp it Nov 01 05:29:43 it's the pre Nov 01 05:29:44 still need to start the service in a term Nov 01 05:29:48 its the same damn thing Nov 01 05:29:51 launching the cards, loading typing join, blah Nov 01 05:30:17 emu > pre for testing Nov 01 05:30:17 i rather just keep everything on my fast computer :P Nov 01 05:30:20 well if oil had a perform on join support Nov 01 05:30:25 lol Nov 01 05:30:55 well ill stop working on the nick list and get right on it Nov 01 05:31:05 since every feature is more important then whatever feature is being worked on Nov 01 05:31:05 ;) Nov 01 05:31:10 lol Nov 01 05:31:21 lol Nov 01 05:31:39 egaudet: so which bug do you want to fix Nov 01 05:31:43 i will fix the other one Nov 01 05:31:55 you understand it now? Nov 01 05:32:17 oil: yes, just saying "escape quotes in params" was not the asnwer Nov 01 05:32:33 I'll take the " -> \" Nov 01 05:32:46 sure take the easy one Nov 01 05:32:47 i definitely explained it like 10 different ways after that Nov 01 05:33:01 well I was already doing that because I didn't know about the other one yet :P Nov 01 05:33:11 ok Nov 01 05:33:15 i know how to do tyhe other one Nov 01 05:33:16 sorta Nov 01 05:33:20 i know what needs to be done Nov 01 05:33:24 doing it not easy Nov 01 05:33:35 * PuffTheMagic makes another manhattan Nov 01 05:33:41 lol Nov 01 05:35:55 egaudet: i bet i beat you Nov 01 05:36:05 egaudet: i just thought of how to do this while going pee Nov 01 05:36:42 split the text by " then if last char == \ set that to \0 Nov 01 05:36:46 then put the string back together Nov 01 05:36:47 :D Nov 01 05:37:41 well I already thought of mine too Nov 01 05:37:54 iff' strchr then strtok Nov 01 05:37:56 :P Nov 01 05:38:13 too bad strtok doesn't work correctly in the first place! Nov 01 05:38:28 thats why i hate strtok Nov 01 05:38:33 i was told to always avoid it Nov 01 05:38:38 someone recently asked why Nov 01 05:38:40 idk who it was Nov 01 05:38:43 probably ni| Nov 01 05:38:48 or maybe it was you Nov 01 05:38:49 idk Nov 01 05:39:23 * PuffTheMagic goes and uses strtok Nov 01 05:39:35 :D Nov 01 05:39:47 it was me Nov 01 05:39:49 who asked why Nov 01 05:40:03 :P Nov 01 05:40:35 hmmm Nov 01 05:40:53 im afraid to search for " again Nov 01 05:41:01 maybe i can searchf or \ this time Nov 01 05:41:05 and if \+1 = " Nov 01 05:41:13 I can't wait till we have "join on connect" :P Nov 01 05:41:26 it's not " PuffTheMagic Nov 01 05:41:31 everytime someone asks about it, i move it down a notch in my mental todo list Nov 01 05:41:46 it's the fact that the pointer gets returned when there is no token, rather than NULL as documented Nov 01 05:41:48 oil: who asked you about somethingnow? Nov 01 05:42:00 I can't wait till we have "join on connect" :P Nov 01 05:42:01 I can't wait till we have "join on connect" :P Nov 01 05:42:01 I can't wait till we have "join on connect" :P Nov 01 05:42:07 lol Nov 01 05:42:13 oil: no prob Nov 01 05:42:14 i will do it Nov 01 05:42:22 lol Nov 01 05:42:39 its going to require everyone to delete wirc before doing it Nov 01 05:47:04 77 patches now available for webOS 1.3.1 Nov 01 05:47:17 right before 1.3.0 xD Nov 01 05:48:12 PuffTheMagic, forget about str functions Nov 01 05:48:22 ? Nov 01 05:48:28 are they broke on arm or something? Nov 01 05:48:29 for loop per char, copy every single char into buf except if it's \ and next is " Nov 01 05:48:34 so much easier Nov 01 05:48:46 lol Nov 01 05:48:59 I'm doing that, changes 15 lines to 5 Nov 01 05:49:00 egaudet oil Puff can I get a copy of this ???/ Nov 01 05:49:05 strtok was the wrong way to think of it Nov 01 05:49:20 rick, the repo is tmp/wirc.git Nov 01 05:49:22 on webosinternals Nov 01 05:49:29 its not visible for whatever reason Nov 01 05:49:37 you should be able to clone it though Nov 01 05:49:45 and PuffTheMagic should have a link to a working wIRCd? Nov 01 05:49:52 then you'll need to manually install, and run via terminal, the service Nov 01 05:50:05 rick_home: yeah i dont have anice ipk and event.d for the service yet Nov 01 05:50:21 thats too much work for the amount of devel going on Nov 01 05:50:23 I don't need "nice" Nov 01 05:50:29 I need "working" Nov 01 05:50:37 well, aslong as you dont quote, it works Nov 01 05:50:37 xD Nov 01 05:50:42 Sitting in the freaking airports today I thought I was going to go nuts. Nov 01 05:50:47 lol Nov 01 05:50:49 rick_home: http://omploader.org/vMm8ycQ Nov 01 05:50:52 thats the service Nov 01 05:50:58 get that on your pre and run it Nov 01 05:51:10 rick_home: download it to anywhere, call it anything, just run it Nov 01 05:51:25 and clone the repo Nov 01 05:51:36 rick_home: if you put it in your home dir you can start it in terminal easily ;) Nov 01 05:51:37 just wget it in terminal... Nov 01 05:51:45 yup Nov 01 05:51:54 wget http://omploader.org/vMm8ycQ -O wIRCd Nov 01 05:51:56 ./wIRCd Nov 01 05:51:58 ;) Nov 01 06:02:10 egaudet: done yet? Nov 01 06:02:17 lol Nov 01 06:02:18 are you? Nov 01 06:03:06 i think so Nov 01 06:03:08 about ot test Nov 01 06:03:09 :D Nov 01 06:04:36 woot Nov 01 06:04:38 segfault Nov 01 06:06:14 doh Nov 01 06:06:16 that was stupid Nov 01 06:06:44 PuffTheMagic, fixed Nov 01 06:06:46 bam Nov 01 06:07:41 * rwhitby-_ posts http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2009978 Nov 01 06:08:40 awesome Nov 01 06:09:02 I "think" it works Nov 01 06:09:06 woot Nov 01 06:09:09 yup Nov 01 06:09:10 fixed too Nov 01 06:09:27 what was that thing on the end? Nov 01 06:10:22 end of what? Nov 01 06:10:24 I pushed Nov 01 06:10:29 your message Nov 01 06:10:30 egaudet: i pushed first Nov 01 06:10:31 i won Nov 01 06:10:41 oil: the "it works" part? Nov 01 06:10:55 no Nov 01 06:11:11 everything looks right on all my clients Nov 01 06:11:16 idk what you are talking about Nov 01 06:11:16 you still haven't pushed Nov 01 06:11:21 yes i did Nov 01 06:11:23 http://i34.tinypic.com/wjcnx0.png Nov 01 06:11:31 damn u Nov 01 06:11:35 lol Nov 01 06:11:37 egaudet: i did a test pull Nov 01 06:11:39 Unfortunately, I was unable to port the Close Slider to Hang Up patch, cause we have not been given permission to license it as open source, so I can't modify it ... Nov 01 06:11:46 and u managed to squeek in there Nov 01 06:11:53 between pull and push Nov 01 06:11:57 what a turd Nov 01 06:11:57 77 patches Rod, damn nice Nov 01 06:12:10 We'll need to get an open source closer slider soon Nov 01 06:12:12 egaudet: pushed Nov 01 06:12:20 egaudet: no we dont Nov 01 06:12:27 close slider patches must die Nov 01 06:12:30 let it say closed source Nov 01 06:12:32 leave it out of preware Nov 01 06:12:34 its useless Nov 01 06:12:35 lo Nov 01 06:12:36 l Nov 01 06:12:39 let the 1 user use it Nov 01 06:12:46 the one who made it and thinks its sweet Nov 01 06:12:53 you see my screenshot puff>? Nov 01 06:12:56 close slider patch, with preference, and proximity sensor, for the win. Nov 01 06:13:05 oil: which one? Nov 01 06:13:11 http://i34.tinypic.com/wjcnx0.png Nov 01 06:13:18 PuffTheMagic, what part of "open source close slider" did you not see? Nov 01 06:13:28 oh nevermind Nov 01 06:13:30 i misread Nov 01 06:13:36 oil: idk you must have a service from 1990 Nov 01 06:13:36 what's wrong with close slider patches Puff? Nov 01 06:13:44 egaudet: pointless Nov 01 06:13:47 i think it was made after that Nov 01 06:13:49 who talkes with the slider open Nov 01 06:13:52 but obviously there is something left over there Nov 01 06:14:00 oil: i dont get that Nov 01 06:14:10 PuffTheMagic: reports are that many people do. Nov 01 06:14:21 rwhitby: weird Nov 01 06:14:24 PuffTheMagic, you may not but a lot do Nov 01 06:14:31 i close my slider while talking Nov 01 06:14:32 because people slide it open, use universal search Nov 01 06:14:47 i close it after im done "universal searching" Nov 01 06:14:54 PuffTheMagic, I do too Nov 01 06:14:54 some even say that the extra keyboard area channels the voice better to the microphone ... Nov 01 06:14:54 so that patch would hang me up Nov 01 06:14:56 befor ei make a call Nov 01 06:15:06 * rwhitby-_ can't test that himself yet ... Nov 01 06:15:17 PuffTheMagic: not if it checked the proximity sensor Nov 01 06:15:20 rwhitby: i dont believe that Nov 01 06:15:28 the channeling the voice Nov 01 06:15:36 i think they are on lsd or somthing Nov 01 06:15:45 the mic is still in the same spot Nov 01 06:15:52 if they put the ear piece in their ear Nov 01 06:15:53 yeah, anyone who doesn't see things the same as you *must* be on drugs ;-) Nov 01 06:16:04 rwhitby: now you see it the right way Nov 01 06:16:12 oil: u push recently? Nov 01 06:16:20 to wirc? Nov 01 06:16:27 i just did a few mins ago Nov 01 06:16:34 k Nov 01 06:16:52 yea wIRC was broken temporarily by me Nov 01 06:17:28 rick_home: hows that working for you? Nov 01 06:18:41 testing "test"#@x Nov 01 06:18:46 eww Nov 01 06:18:52 i see "stuff" this time Nov 01 06:18:59 oil: u broke the service Nov 01 06:19:01 i mean Nov 01 06:19:02 the gui Nov 01 06:19:08 before i pulled it looked fine Nov 01 06:19:16 now with your latest pulls its good Nov 01 06:20:06 s/goog/broke/ Nov 01 06:20:28 ? Nov 01 06:20:47 before i pulled wIRC everything looked fine when i sent qyotes from wIRC Nov 01 06:20:57 but now with your latest changes i see garbage Nov 01 06:21:14 uh Nov 01 06:21:18 PuffTheMagic, did you end up using str functions? Nov 01 06:21:19 id what to tell you Nov 01 06:21:27 idk* Nov 01 06:21:27 does anyone have Derek Kessler's email address ? Nov 01 06:21:31 egaudet: nope, char by char loop Nov 01 06:21:37 :) Nov 01 06:21:38 rwhitby: idk who that is Nov 01 06:21:43 yea char by char wins here Nov 01 06:21:47 egaudet: look for your self Nov 01 06:21:54 maybe i messed up Nov 01 06:21:55 I wish I had gitweb Nov 01 06:21:56 PuffTheMagic: known as DarthPooh here and on PreCentral Nov 01 06:22:02 oh Nov 01 06:22:06 PuffTheMagic, easy git command to get commit history? Nov 01 06:22:10 err commit diff Nov 01 06:22:12 git log Nov 01 06:22:19 diff Nov 01 06:22:21 copy the commit id Nov 01 06:22:23 then do Nov 01 06:22:23 i thought darthpooh was kieth Nov 01 06:22:26 not derek Nov 01 06:22:31 git show commitid Nov 01 06:22:42 yea darthpooh is keith i thought too Nov 01 06:23:34 now i feel left out cause i dont blog Nov 01 06:23:44 * oil doesnt blog Nov 01 06:23:45 or tweet Nov 01 06:23:54 or have my face on a book Nov 01 06:23:57 or my own space Nov 01 06:23:58 or anything Nov 01 06:24:19 i have a face book but dont really use it Nov 01 06:24:33 ever since it went non college i dont use it Nov 01 06:24:38 char text[len]; Nov 01 06:24:39 lol Nov 01 06:24:43 how does that not error on compile Nov 01 06:24:54 except that extra character puff doesn't want to fix xD Nov 01 06:24:55 egaudet: what is wrong with it? Nov 01 06:25:11 you can't dynamically declare like that I didn't think Nov 01 06:25:34 its not dynamic Nov 01 06:25:38 sure is Nov 01 06:25:46 it has no idea how much space to create until it runs strlen Nov 01 06:25:59 its static/const, sit either 0 or the lenght of the origional string Nov 01 06:26:03 how is that dynamic Nov 01 06:26:15 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh Nov 01 06:26:16 because it's runtime Nov 01 06:26:26 egaudet: i prob need to add a trailing '\0' Nov 01 06:26:34 i bet thats the issue Nov 01 06:26:43 * PuffTheMagic tries Nov 01 06:29:27 "oil"#@ Nov 01 06:29:41 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Nov 01 06:29:50 "hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm" Nov 01 06:29:59 * oil sees no weird square this time Nov 01 06:30:06 i do Nov 01 06:30:27 oil "see this"#@x Nov 01 06:30:57 i see Nov 01 06:31:00 oil "see this"#@x Nov 01 06:31:05 i see that too Nov 01 06:31:10 oil: you'll enjoy this one: http://twitter.com/rigelbowen/statuses/5328731528 Nov 01 06:31:13 egaudet: think i could calloc it? Nov 01 06:31:32 lol Nov 01 06:31:47 rwhitby: if only his head was bigger Nov 01 06:31:53 i cant quite see it Nov 01 06:32:01 make your screen larger Nov 01 06:32:46 http://dpaste.com/114899/ Nov 01 06:33:03 PuffTheMagic, I guess the alloc like that works off the stack Nov 01 06:33:14 egaudet: if it works push it Nov 01 06:33:22 let me go test Nov 01 06:33:25 hehe Nov 01 06:34:38 egaudet: i cant see what you have above char text[strlen.... Nov 01 06:34:47 egaudet: but u need a if(txt) Nov 01 06:34:51 else it will segfault Nov 01 06:34:57 cause u cant strlen(0) Nov 01 06:35:41 oh yea Nov 01 06:36:13 * PuffTheMagic watches some "get smart" while egaudet fixes his fail Nov 01 06:36:58 oil: what happened to the "slogans" for wIRC Nov 01 06:37:21 oil: like "i like the smell of my pee after eating aspragras" and "i eat my buggers and candy off the floor" Nov 01 06:37:28 oh no Nov 01 06:37:32 I just got the dreaded, join twice Nov 01 06:37:39 i can add a multiline thing Nov 01 06:37:55 oil: thats a random "weighted" slogan Nov 01 06:37:59 like on preware ;) Nov 01 06:38:13 yeah, i know what you're saying Nov 01 06:38:34 puff "quote" me on that """" "yea" Nov 01 06:38:53 (process:8051): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Error in message.c:417 Nov 01 06:38:53 (process:8051): LunaService-CRITICAL **: LSMessageReply: payload is not utf-8 Nov 01 06:39:01 that's what I got when I first tried to join a channel BTW Nov 01 06:39:05 so yea quote works Nov 01 06:39:07 pushing Nov 01 06:39:20 * PuffTheMagic feels like crap that his C sucks so bad Nov 01 06:39:40 i cant parse strings to save my life Nov 01 06:40:25 egaudet: idk what happens when we get that payload error Nov 01 06:40:46 string parse isn't trivial in C Nov 01 06:42:16 "thanks for fixing MY fail" Nov 01 06:43:12 :D Nov 01 06:43:14 egaudet: now we need to figure up why notice dont work Nov 01 06:43:33 hmmm Nov 01 06:43:35 nm Nov 01 06:43:43 try from wIRC Nov 01 06:44:28 anyways Nov 01 06:44:31 it doesn't work from wirc Nov 01 06:44:37 because its not implemented yet Nov 01 06:44:42 it's just /notice #chan message right? Nov 01 06:44:47 yeah Nov 01 06:44:54 umm Nov 01 06:44:56 /notice isn't in there Nov 01 06:45:03 oil: thats not what i mean Nov 01 06:45:17 if you connect to wIRCd w/ luna-send Nov 01 06:45:22 and look at the raw messages Nov 01 06:45:30 you dont see any NOTICE events come in Nov 01 06:45:31 oh, notice doesn't make it to wirc Nov 01 06:45:33 from channels Nov 01 06:45:34 got ya Nov 01 06:45:41 well Nov 01 06:45:44 99% of them dont Nov 01 06:45:53 if u look at the early server connect stuff Nov 01 06:46:01 you will see 1 or 2 notice messages Nov 01 06:46:11 but noithing from "channels" Nov 01 06:46:36 there is a case for "NOTICE" Nov 01 06:46:56 * PuffTheMagic wonders why "nick icon/button" in the channel header dont do anything Nov 01 06:47:04 oil: i commented it out in the gui Nov 01 06:47:16 oil: but that does not explain why we dont see it in the service Nov 01 06:47:34 well... i didnt see it last time i checked Nov 01 06:47:56 oil: oh yeah Nov 01 06:47:59 because it doesn't do anything yet Nov 01 06:48:00 wth Nov 01 06:48:04 * oil stops pushing anything Nov 01 06:48:26 oil: so there are 2 functios in the library that have to do with nick/origin Nov 01 06:48:44 one of them is a global option to clean up the nicksautomatically Nov 01 06:48:50 which i sorta think is bad Nov 01 06:48:58 the other is a function Nov 01 06:49:10 where u pass origin and it oututs a clean nick Nov 01 06:49:25 i could run that in the service Nov 01 06:49:28 not really needed Nov 01 06:49:31 and add that as an extra param Nov 01 06:49:38 oil: might be faster in Nov 01 06:49:39 C Nov 01 06:49:54 but w/e Nov 01 06:49:57 im just saing Nov 01 06:50:01 we have options to explore Nov 01 06:50:11 i know you like to parse stuff in JS Nov 01 06:50:52 * PuffTheMagic wished he knew what causes the " LSMessageReply: payload is not utf-8" issue Nov 01 06:50:57 nothing like that Nov 01 06:51:21 im just saying, there is no need to change it right now Nov 01 06:51:39 http://dpaste.com/114903/ Nov 01 06:51:48 this keeps repeating in my /var/log/messages Nov 01 06:52:03 * PuffTheMagic things the 2nd manhattan is kicking in Nov 01 06:52:43 black velvet makes smooth manhattans (and i have CC and CR available) Nov 01 06:52:47 and JB Nov 01 06:52:52 BV >>> * Nov 01 06:54:05 can we forget about /notice? Nov 01 06:54:54 ummm forever no, for now fine Nov 01 06:55:42 forever Nov 01 06:55:52 nobody ever uses it Nov 01 06:55:58 lol Nov 01 06:56:55 oil: u dont Nov 01 06:57:08 lol Nov 01 06:57:08 oil: thats not an excuse to make it half assed and incomplete Nov 01 06:57:19 PuffTheMagic, join #wirc Nov 01 06:57:39 right, so fix your code so it actually works Nov 01 06:57:39 egaudet: im going to bed shortly Nov 01 06:57:46 join quickly Nov 01 06:57:47 oil: that was the goal Nov 01 06:57:52 lol Nov 01 06:57:56 just want to see "has joined" Nov 01 06:59:16 oil, you got a message function to use for "blah has changed his nick to blah" Nov 01 06:59:42 newStatusMessage? Nov 01 07:00:03 for the channel? Nov 01 07:00:31 channel. Nov 01 07:00:32 yeah Nov 01 07:00:34 its there Nov 01 07:00:40 doesn't matter to me Nov 01 07:00:56 that stuff was pre-service Nov 01 07:01:30 newGenericMessage Nov 01 07:01:45 im gonna clean all that shit up tomorrow Nov 01 07:02:06 oil: i couldnt figure out how to chane the text color Nov 01 07:02:27 styles Nov 01 07:02:47 what the message object sets the style to Nov 01 07:02:51 relates to values in teh css Nov 01 07:02:54 which set the color Nov 01 07:15:27 why does omploader tell me I am a trad Nov 01 07:15:42 ? Nov 01 07:15:55 how do i upload a binary Nov 01 07:15:58 where* Nov 01 07:16:01 omploader? Nov 01 07:16:12 http://omploader.org/ Nov 01 07:16:12 ? Nov 01 07:16:15 thats what puff uses Nov 01 07:20:05 firefox and my / partitonn don't get along Nov 01 07:37:47 how do I turn my sound back on Nov 01 07:46:28 michael, just speak to your pre and your audio will return spontaneously Nov 01 07:59:40 hmm Nov 01 08:06:10 using google voice (voice)mail for sprint phone should be free 11/8 according to the web, that will be good because I find the sprint voicemail, sucky. Nov 01 08:06:57 press 1 to leave a message? Nov 01 08:07:34 I noticed GV is being politically correct and has the recording sped up quite a bit Nov 01 08:09:53 anyone need an invite? Nov 01 09:29:41 everybody is gone? Nov 01 09:36:42 * freakout just came back, oil.... Nov 01 09:36:49 is there a separate chat for linux on the pre tried the command for installing irrsi and get the -sh ipkg-opt: not found Nov 01 09:38:25 there is a separate one Nov 01 09:38:31 this one I'm using that is still in the works Nov 01 09:39:14 i just need irc on it lol Nov 01 09:40:34 what was you saying oil Nov 01 09:42:30 an app+service Nov 01 09:43:55 http://i33.tinypic.com/98vkus.png Nov 01 09:44:10 i installed terminal with the intentions of installing irssi but get that error Nov 01 09:45:12 where do you get that at ? Nov 01 09:45:24 its still in development Nov 01 09:45:26 not released yet Nov 01 09:45:32 soonish though Nov 01 09:46:07 okay cuz i want irc on pre lol im a irc whore anymore Nov 01 09:46:56 i use irssi on linux so its familiar just cant get it to install on pre from some reason Nov 01 09:47:20 yeah, i dont know anything about that yet Nov 01 09:56:18 oil http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Linux_Tutorial_Irssi Nov 01 09:59:00 no, i know about it Nov 01 09:59:02 im just no help Nov 01 09:59:05 i've never used it Nov 01 09:59:59 ok lol Nov 01 10:00:35 where is virtual keyboard ap at Nov 01 10:01:00 its a patch Nov 01 10:01:08 ah Nov 01 10:01:18 looking in wrong area Nov 01 10:32:13 Mornin'... Nov 01 10:32:33 is it? Nov 01 10:32:44 i guess 2:30 am is in fact morning Nov 01 10:32:47 xD Nov 01 10:33:10 huh Nov 01 10:33:20 * Marajin wonders what part of the world is still in gmt+8 Nov 01 10:33:24 er -8 even Nov 01 10:33:40 -8 Nov 01 10:33:45 eh, washington state Nov 01 10:33:52 shouldn't that be -7 now? Nov 01 10:34:07 I mean, I know california is Nov 01 10:34:12 idk Nov 01 10:34:19 i just ignore daylight savings Nov 01 10:34:32 till someone is like "don't forget to turn your clock forward/back" Nov 01 10:34:34 yeah I think we should abolish timezones, nevermind daylight savings Nov 01 10:34:53 once a year im always an hour early or an hour late Nov 01 10:34:53 everyone should just be on UTC Nov 01 10:35:06 it wouldn't be that complicated Nov 01 10:35:20 you'd just set your morning alarm for like 14:00 Nov 01 10:35:25 instead of 7:00 Nov 01 10:36:31 but there'd be no more timezone calculation fubars! Nov 01 10:36:40 'I'm home at 8' .. it's 8 everywhere in the world! Nov 01 10:36:41 easy :P Nov 01 10:37:34 lol Nov 01 10:37:42 i think timezones do make sense Nov 01 10:37:49 but daylight savings can gtfo Nov 01 10:38:32 they kinda do and kinda don't Nov 01 10:38:39 they make sense if you're not in global communication Nov 01 10:38:54 otherwise they plain don't hence why stuff like airtraffic control and whatnot are always given in 'zulu time' Nov 01 10:38:57 i.e. UTC Nov 01 10:41:08 right Nov 01 10:41:12 they make sense for global stuff Nov 01 10:41:27 i mean, not having them does Nov 01 10:41:30 but local, timezones are good Nov 01 10:41:39 maybe its just because of this 7 day thing Nov 01 10:41:44 we should really move to 6 day weeks Nov 01 10:41:46 xD Nov 01 10:41:47 getting increasingly less so though :P Nov 01 10:42:04 I mean consider it, we are now routinely talking across 7-8 timezones and 6000+ miles Nov 01 10:42:18 lol Nov 01 10:42:54 I mean your /country/ has 4 timezones in it, surely you can appreciate the complications :P Nov 01 10:44:46 yeah, but 4 are easy to keep track of Nov 01 10:45:05 globally its weird Nov 01 10:45:28 at work my boss talks to people in newzealand via videoconference Nov 01 10:45:31 trying to set that stuff up Nov 01 10:45:34 like Nov 01 10:45:41 "ok, its 8am tomorrow there, right?" Nov 01 10:49:14 heh Nov 01 10:49:18 yeah exactly Nov 01 10:49:28 it screws people up and we're in a global society now ;) Nov 01 10:49:41 Thus! it make more overall sense :p Nov 01 10:50:39 but initially it would screw up everyone not in UTC Nov 01 10:50:52 like when they tried to go metric here Nov 01 10:51:03 instead of selling things rounded to those measurements Nov 01 10:51:31 they tried to sell the same container Nov 01 10:53:18 it was screwed up Nov 01 10:55:17 YO! Nov 01 10:55:23 aye Nov 01 10:55:28 I am here. Praise me. Nov 01 10:57:48 * oil runs in fear Nov 01 11:04:55 awww. Nov 01 11:05:02 I'm a caring god, do not phear m3. Nov 01 13:01:01 #hi guys! can someone help me with the hash codes on a gsm o2 palm pre Nov 01 13:01:18 i want to open the usbpass options Nov 01 13:01:21 but cant Nov 01 14:31:41 morning Nov 01 14:31:53 morning Nov 01 14:39:49 Is there a possiblity that the latest updates to Package Manager fixed other issues? My date was off by a month the last few days, today it's fine and my phone changed off of DST as well. What's really strange is for the first time since webOS 1.2.1, my automatic backup worked today as well. Nov 01 14:47:04 egaudet: ping, u up yet? Nov 01 14:47:36 Ramer: today is the day that the clocks change, so it could be that? Nov 01 14:47:38 oh he left Nov 01 14:48:53 yeah 4 min was way to long to wait Nov 01 15:11:24 gah Nov 01 15:27:51 PuffTheMagic: you up? Nov 01 15:38:00 dBsooner: yeah Nov 01 15:39:03 PuffTheMagic: you figure your shit out Nov 01 15:39:06 with the quotes Nov 01 15:39:28 ni|: yeah Nov 01 15:39:30 ok Nov 01 15:39:35 what did you end up doing Nov 01 15:39:48 there were 2 places we needed to fix shit Nov 01 15:39:53 PuffTheMagic: what is the best way to work with branches? Nov 01 15:40:11 ni|: in one place we needed to remove \'s that come before " Nov 01 15:40:11 dBsooner: do work on them Nov 01 15:40:13 and merge Nov 01 15:40:14 have two separate clones of the repo? Nov 01 15:40:16 ni|: the other place we needed to add \ Nov 01 15:40:18 dBsooner: yes and no Nov 01 15:40:22 dBsooner: no Nov 01 15:40:37 dBsooner: you add code in a branch that is mutually exclusive from the rest categorically speaking Nov 01 15:40:44 so say for an app you have a service branch Nov 01 15:40:46 and a gui Nov 01 15:40:56 but how do I know if a file is exclusive to a branch? Nov 01 15:40:59 those are two branches and the master has the main.c and the proprietary stuff Nov 01 15:41:02 and not the trunk? Nov 01 15:41:09 dBsooner: this is not svn Nov 01 15:41:12 yea Nov 01 15:41:12 there is no truck Nov 01 15:41:32 PuffTheMagic: i gg get laid right now Nov 01 15:41:45 * dBsooner is confused. Nov 01 15:41:46 i'll be back in a bit to talk logistics concerning the pre stuff i've been doing Nov 01 15:42:09 dBsooner why are you confused Nov 01 15:42:11 PuffTheMagic: let's just talk about what i will be specifically dealing with Nov 01 15:42:55 I have a directory, "modifications", which is the clone of modifcations.git Nov 01 15:43:20 It has three branches, 1.1.3, 1.2.1, and 1.3.1 Nov 01 15:43:35 how do I know if something is commited to 1.3.1 and not 1.2.1? Nov 01 15:43:46 or how do I commit something to 1.3.1 and not 1.2.1? Nov 01 15:44:09 you can only commit to the branch you have checked out Nov 01 15:44:20 right Nov 01 15:44:28 git checkout -f Nov 01 15:44:32 no Nov 01 15:44:35 -b Nov 01 15:44:38 well Nov 01 15:44:43 no Nov 01 15:45:19 when you say "it has three branches" Nov 01 15:45:27 do you mean the remove repo Nov 01 15:45:31 or on your box Nov 01 15:45:36 remote Nov 01 15:46:11 Rod created separate branches for the different versions Nov 01 15:46:17 then in that case you need to get a remove branch on your local box Nov 01 15:46:23 so if you dont have a local version Nov 01 15:46:25 then you can do Nov 01 15:46:39 git checkout -b origin/ Nov 01 15:46:50 if you already had a local version of it Nov 01 15:46:53 you just need to check it out Nov 01 15:46:59 Ahh.. I gotcha Nov 01 15:47:03 git checkout Nov 01 15:47:06 so it WOULD be a separate directory Nov 01 15:47:11 no Nov 01 15:47:14 its not Nov 01 15:47:21 this is NOT svn Nov 01 15:47:39 when you checkout something.... it changes everything in your local working git dir Nov 01 15:47:45 so if uwere on "master" Nov 01 15:47:52 and u checkckout master-1.1.3 Nov 01 15:48:00 your working dir is not master-1.1.3 Nov 01 15:48:04 what is relevant to?: Nov 01 15:48:31 its what ever you want to call the local version of a remove branch Nov 01 15:48:40 you can name it the same as the remote branch Nov 01 15:48:52 I think it just confuses me because all the files are in each branch. Nov 01 15:49:09 dBsooner: why dont you make a new git repo Nov 01 15:49:14 and play around with branches and shit Nov 01 15:49:22 lol Nov 01 15:49:25 or go read a book on git Nov 01 15:49:39 thre are none Nov 01 15:49:58 no "help files" on the interwebs? Nov 01 15:50:06 yes Nov 01 15:50:08 just no book Nov 01 15:50:20 but u need to play Nov 01 15:50:21 not read Nov 01 15:50:31 play in a safe place Nov 01 15:50:33 that you can mess shit up Nov 01 15:55:57 i am just stuck in svn world Nov 01 16:05:11 done! Nov 01 16:05:25 PuffTheMagic: there is an oreilly on git Nov 01 16:05:39 that was quick Nov 01 16:05:52 i work fast Nov 01 16:06:05 20 mins is enough Nov 01 16:06:13 plus now i get waited on Nov 01 16:06:17 while i code Nov 01 16:07:14 i cant figure out this bug in the irc library i am using Nov 01 16:09:37 PuffTheMagic: zxy doesn't live in de Nov 01 16:15:37 ni|: wanna help me find a bug Nov 01 16:18:01 sure Nov 01 16:18:12 do you have wIRCd cloned? Nov 01 16:19:58 not on my bsd box Nov 01 16:19:59 on my mac Nov 01 16:20:01 url Nov 01 16:20:19 750 shipped i bet this is going to cost me Nov 01 16:20:27 42 bucks more than buying one in germany Nov 01 16:20:35 from where? Nov 01 16:20:39 git://webos-internals.org/tmp/wIRCd.git Nov 01 16:22:53 ok Nov 01 16:22:57 PuffTheMagic: ebay Nov 01 16:23:12 i just have to be careful and get the really german one Nov 01 16:23:14 not an O2 Nov 01 16:23:58 PuffTheMagic: so what do you want here? Nov 01 16:24:24 ok well... in the libircclient/src/libircclient.c file Nov 01 16:24:26 who the fuck wrote most of this Nov 01 16:24:43 i wrote the shit in the root of that dir Nov 01 16:24:47 not the libirccleint shit Nov 01 16:24:51 that i found on the web Nov 01 16:25:11 i wronte main.c/client.c/luna_service.c Nov 01 16:25:18 ok Nov 01 16:25:23 so anyway Nov 01 16:25:47 the irc lib is not sending a callback for NOTICES properly Nov 01 16:25:51 let me be more specific Nov 01 16:26:05 you can do "/notice [usernick] message" Nov 01 16:26:11 and i will see the callback Nov 01 16:26:14 but if u do Nov 01 16:26:20 you can do "/notice [#channel] message" Nov 01 16:26:25 i get no callback Nov 01 16:26:34 but the notice still gets processed and sent to the server Nov 01 16:26:39 cause it shows up in the channel Nov 01 16:26:53 hmm Nov 01 16:27:55 Ok PuffTheMagic I figured it out Nov 01 16:27:57 let me take a look at some of this code Nov 01 16:28:05 dBsooner: are you looking at the same problem i am? Nov 01 16:28:10 lol Nov 01 16:28:10 no Nov 01 16:28:14 that he asked? Nov 01 16:28:21 PuffTheMagic: how many people are looking for this bug? Nov 01 16:28:21 I was just figuring out git branches Nov 01 16:28:22 ;) Nov 01 16:28:24 oh Nov 01 16:28:27 ni|: just me Nov 01 16:28:28 and you Nov 01 16:28:29 ok Nov 01 16:28:29 I have read nothing in the channel Nov 01 16:28:38 i just don't want to duplicate work Nov 01 16:28:59 Yeah, I am staying out of wIRC Nov 01 16:29:45 PuffTheMagic: so there are two options Nov 01 16:29:57 1) its int he incoming data for events Nov 01 16:29:59 or 2 Nov 01 16:30:04 its in the irc_cmd_notice Nov 01 16:30:06 fn Nov 01 16:30:16 ni|: its not generating a call back Nov 01 16:30:22 but its still being processed correctly Nov 01 16:30:29 cause those notices show up in the channel Nov 01 16:30:43 so the "lib" part is getting it Nov 01 16:30:51 but the lib isnt relaying it to my service Nov 01 16:31:21 hmm Nov 01 16:31:21 ok Nov 01 16:31:27 {"sessionToken":"1.97.2","event":"NOTICE","origin":"wIRC_tester!n=nobody@cpe-76-180-121-199.buffalo.res.rr.com","params":["wIRC_tester","test notice"]} Nov 01 16:31:35 ni|: that is what i SHOULD get Nov 01 16:31:37 something like that Nov 01 16:31:38 then it has to be in this part of code Nov 01 16:31:48 thats what I get when i send a NOTICE to a user Nov 01 16:31:55 see the params part Nov 01 16:32:00 http://pastie.org/678955 Nov 01 16:32:03 param[0] is the user Nov 01 16:32:21 that pastie (along with the simple function) must be patched Nov 01 16:32:42 thats based on an RFC isn't it? Nov 01 16:32:46 yeah Nov 01 16:32:53 that part is definately messed up Nov 01 16:33:33 the strncasecmp possibly? Nov 01 16:34:05 whoever wrote this was trying to do way too much shit at once Nov 01 16:34:23 lol Nov 01 16:34:57 Good Morning Nov 01 16:35:21 ni|: actually Nov 01 16:35:21 PuffTheMagic: RFC 1459 Nov 01 16:35:31 i only get notices if they are sent to me directly Nov 01 16:35:32 I am so sick of the *iPhone killer* being attached to every new device that comes out. Don't these peopel realise that they will never outdo the iPhone until they forget the damn thing exists. Nov 01 16:35:52 rant over :D Nov 01 16:36:00 hardly a rant Nov 01 16:36:03 Stik: thats not the point of this phone Nov 01 16:36:08 ni|: compared to Astorm rants Nov 01 16:36:12 PuffTheMagic: lol Nov 01 16:36:18 you mean the ones where everyone walks away Nov 01 16:36:26 the ones that last 2 hours Nov 01 16:36:31 I'm talking in general.. not pointed at any one device... Nov 01 16:36:39 Stik: i get what you mean Nov 01 16:36:44 every new phone Nov 01 16:36:53 people think its gonna be an iphone killer Nov 01 16:37:06 but what is an iphone killer? Nov 01 16:37:39 Something revolutionary that doesn't mimic the iPhone lol Nov 01 16:37:52 ni|: why did you post the RFC, the library is sending the event to the server properly.... its just messing up those callbacks Nov 01 16:38:00 like I think it dials :D Nov 01 16:38:01 PuffTheMagic: i know i'm just curious Nov 01 16:38:02 the things my service listens to Nov 01 16:38:11 PuffTheMagic: i don't just start randomly changing shit Nov 01 16:38:27 but u know what else is messed up Nov 01 16:38:27 there is something simple fucked up so we should understand it completely so we don't introduce other weirder shit Nov 01 16:38:35 PuffTheMagic: ? Nov 01 16:38:36 no Nov 01 16:38:36 i wasnt listening to event_channel_notice before Nov 01 16:38:41 LOL Nov 01 16:38:43 and when i wasnt listening to them Nov 01 16:38:52 i didnt get NOTICE's that were addressed to me Nov 01 16:38:57 in the service Nov 01 16:39:01 when i added event_channel_notice Nov 01 16:39:04 i get them Nov 01 16:39:11 but event_channel_notice is supposed to be for all OTHER notices Nov 01 16:39:30 so something about that strncasecmp is not right Nov 01 16:41:37 yes we can ignore CTCP for now Nov 01 16:41:57 i want to know what those cases stand for though Nov 01 16:42:19 so explain notices to me Nov 01 16:42:23 you can notify a nick or a channel right Nov 01 16:42:28 and the first else if is for the channel Nov 01 16:42:34 s/channel/nick/g Nov 01 16:42:34 ni| meant: and the first else if is for the nick Nov 01 16:43:07 and the else part is for a channel notice Nov 01 16:43:11 PuffTheMagic: see? Nov 01 16:43:47 right you can notice a channel or nick Nov 01 16:44:05 ni|: but nick notices are getting sent to the channel notice callback Nov 01 16:44:11 and nick notices are getting ignored Nov 01 16:44:14 err Nov 01 16:44:24 all other notices are getting ignored Nov 01 16:44:33 wait so which one is working Nov 01 16:44:38 nick based notices are working? Nov 01 16:44:50 yes Nov 01 16:44:55 but they are going to the wrong callback Nov 01 16:44:57 but i get them at least Nov 01 16:45:14 what callback are they going to? Nov 01 16:45:31 i'm not convinced that he should be using the third parameter of the cmp Nov 01 16:45:43 yeahi just removed that Nov 01 16:45:46 and am about to test it Nov 01 16:46:14 damn Nov 01 16:46:18 get nothing Nov 01 16:46:27 * PuffTheMagic tried removing the cmp all together Nov 01 16:46:39 your not even getting the {sessionToken:...}? Nov 01 16:47:01 PuffTheMagic: my friends parents are here Nov 01 16:47:01 (sorry if I am way behind, I was just looking at the code. Nov 01 16:47:03 i need a few mins Nov 01 16:47:05 ni|: wait a sec Nov 01 16:47:09 ni|: shouldnt that be == 0 Nov 01 16:47:10 not ! Nov 01 16:47:15 ni|: k Nov 01 16:47:37 dBsooner: this has nothign to do with sessionToken Nov 01 16:47:54 I know, I was jut asking if you were getting that line printed. Nov 01 16:49:39 PuffTheMagic: so its also doing nick notices wrong as well Nov 01 16:49:55 this whole chunk is broken Nov 01 16:50:04 ni|: this is a svn pulled version Nov 01 16:50:06 non release Nov 01 16:50:06 PuffTheMagic: yea i know Nov 01 16:50:12 else if ( !strncasecmp (params[0], session->nick, strlen(session->nick) ) ) Nov 01 16:50:20 cause they last release'd version had broken nonworking query's Nov 01 16:51:01 thats saying if params[0] is NOT lexicographically greater than session->nick Nov 01 16:51:41 LOL this code sucks then Nov 01 16:51:45 w/e we'll fix it Nov 01 16:51:45 lol Nov 01 16:52:12 so we need to know what params[0] is supposed to have in it at this point Nov 01 16:54:35 yeah Nov 01 16:54:48 the CTCP stuff above it this all is probably the culprit Nov 01 16:55:20 was there ever a 1.2.1 SDK? Nov 01 16:55:34 thats whats out now isnt it? Nov 01 16:55:44 1.2.1 Nov 01 16:55:51 s/.1/.0/ Nov 01 16:55:51 dBsooner meant: 1.2.0 Nov 01 16:57:22 ni|: it dont even enter this part of the code above it "else if ( !strncmp (command, "NOTICE", buf_end - command) )" Nov 01 16:57:34 i put in a "puts(THIS IS A NOTICE)" Nov 01 16:57:39 and i dont get anything Nov 01 16:57:46 on channel notices Nov 01 16:58:06 yea i'm looking at that Nov 01 16:58:42 PuffTheMagic: can you print out params[0] please Nov 01 16:58:47 in your env Nov 01 16:58:59 yeah Nov 01 16:59:26 PuffTheMagic: also just print everything Nov 01 16:59:30 including the strlen Nov 01 16:59:50 then we can ensure the sanity of the else if clause and then just block comment the ctcp to see if thats it Nov 01 17:00:42 ni|: that part of the code never gets reached though Nov 01 17:00:57 i have to print params[0] at the begging Nov 01 17:01:00 way abeginning Nov 01 17:02:33 then comment the ctcp code Nov 01 17:02:56 we should fork this and start maintaining our own Nov 01 17:03:02 this is rediculous some of it Nov 01 17:03:08 lol Nov 01 17:03:11 we could Nov 01 17:03:14 hes like trying to code java in c Nov 01 17:03:23 ni|: ok so.... Nov 01 17:03:28 ? Nov 01 17:03:32 ni|: i put a Nov 01 17:03:41 printf("params[0]=%s\n",params[0]); Nov 01 17:03:43 above the Nov 01 17:03:48 if ( code ) Nov 01 17:03:54 way at the beginning Nov 01 17:04:02 and wheni send a channel notice Nov 01 17:04:05 // and dump Nov 01 17:04:05 if ( code ) Nov 01 17:04:07 that line? Nov 01 17:04:07 that does not even print anything Nov 01 17:04:10 yeah that one Nov 01 17:04:18 and i got nothing Nov 01 17:04:43 for just about every other command i get params[0]=wirc_tester Nov 01 17:04:45 or Nov 01 17:04:46 why would you put it there it _is_ nothing Nov 01 17:04:50 params[0]=#wirc Nov 01 17:04:54 when i joined that channel Nov 01 17:05:03 ni|: there should be something Nov 01 17:05:16 hmm ok Nov 01 17:05:21 i got output from it Nov 01 17:05:23 lots of output Nov 01 17:05:32 so param[0] on a notice should be a {nick, channel} Nov 01 17:05:33 just nothing from /notice #wirc test Nov 01 17:05:48 and params[1] should be msg Nov 01 17:05:52 let me print param 1 too Nov 01 17:06:49 its going to be nothing for a join Nov 01 17:07:22 ni|: send me a notice Nov 01 17:07:23 i mean Nov 01 17:07:26 wIRC_tester Nov 01 17:07:55 ? Nov 01 17:08:22 do /notice wIRC_tester test Nov 01 17:08:37 !!!! Nov 01 17:08:41 params[0]=wIRC_tester params[1]=test Nov 01 17:08:44 i got that Nov 01 17:08:55 * tlp buys Puff some magic. :p Nov 01 17:09:06 ok that makes sense Nov 01 17:09:12 because params[1] is the msg like i said Nov 01 17:09:18 right Nov 01 17:09:29 so that looks right Nov 01 17:09:42 ^^ i dont get that though Nov 01 17:09:53 on the phone? Nov 01 17:09:59 its not showing up because of the callback Nov 01 17:10:00 right Nov 01 17:10:00 can you do testing in some other channel? Nov 01 17:10:06 roxfan: right Nov 01 17:10:17 roxfan: ? Nov 01 17:10:18 roxfan: i havent heard you talk about anything in here Nov 01 17:10:28 only other one talking is dBsooner Nov 01 17:10:43 roxfan: we are doing something here and having a conversation? he did one test msg notice to the channel Nov 01 17:10:45 that doesn't mean you should send channel notices Nov 01 17:11:00 i didnt know they bothered you Nov 01 17:11:13 someone irc client must make noises when that happens ;) Nov 01 17:11:32 mine is quiet :) Nov 01 17:11:48 PuffTheMagic: lets do the thing in wirc or sth Nov 01 17:11:58 yeah dont want any hissyfits over this Nov 01 17:17:34 morning Nov 01 17:19:22 :O whats all this wirc talk Nov 01 17:50:00 hm does someone know what's wrong with the avahi howto? Nov 01 17:50:27 avahi is running on my pre but the phone itself can't even resolve it's own hostname.local Nov 01 18:01:29 einalex: with nss lib in /etc/nsswitch? Nov 01 18:02:02 hey everybody, my preware has been hanging at "checking package manager version" for the past couple days. Nov 01 18:02:11 tmzt: i didn't get that Nov 01 18:02:24 lol youtube = fail Nov 01 18:02:25 ;] Nov 01 18:03:34 did you add anything to /etc/nsswitch.conf? Nov 01 18:03:43 tmzt: no http://pastebin.com/d483f1163 Nov 01 18:03:49 this is how it looks like Nov 01 18:10:07 but i can't ping it from outside either.. Nov 01 18:22:08 another thing: can someone tell me how to use hashcodes on the gsm pre Nov 01 18:22:19 since ##number# doesn't work Nov 01 18:22:26 and ##number dial doesn#t work either Nov 01 18:23:56 is there perhaps some Nov 01 18:24:06 other way to launch the dialog? Nov 01 18:25:40 How do you edit the wiki Main_Page? Nov 01 18:33:53 ok, preware loaded after rebooting my phone, but now ipkg -o /var update gives me a 404 error when it hits preware.conf Nov 01 18:34:51 woo Nov 01 18:34:58 it works Nov 01 18:35:03 preware.conf contains src/gz all http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/all and the same for armv7 Nov 01 18:36:24 delete preware.conf Nov 01 18:36:35 wIRC looks better than this one, heh Nov 01 18:36:45 you have a Hero? Nov 01 18:36:47 is preware.conf deprecated now, then? Nov 01 18:36:54 pullingj: yes Nov 01 18:37:06 ok, thanks Nov 01 18:37:15 it should be in webos-internals Nov 01 18:37:22 what are the "default" feeds, then? Nov 01 18:37:41 example: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.5_all.ipk Nov 01 18:37:55 umm Nov 01 18:38:28 canuck-software, optware, pimpmypre, precentral, webos-internals, webos-patches Nov 01 18:38:37 maybe a precentral-themes Nov 01 18:39:14 autopatch.conf should be gone Nov 01 18:39:35 this app sucks Nov 01 18:39:44 ? Nov 01 18:39:44 good review Nov 01 18:39:53 how many damn phones you got? Nov 01 18:40:01 or are you on wifi now? Nov 01 18:40:02 /msg kesne test Nov 01 18:40:19 I have a lot of phones Nov 01 18:40:35 ok, i have something called arch.conf and also all of those and prethemer and preyourmind Nov 01 18:40:45 oh and something called arch.conf which doesn't look like a feed Nov 01 18:40:48 I'm starting to develop for Android Nov 01 18:41:07 hmm Nov 01 18:41:11 let me look Nov 01 18:41:23 and iPhone eventually Nov 01 18:41:46 ah all you guys! any idea on how to do the hash-code thingy on a gsm pre? Nov 01 18:41:59 arch.conf is fine Nov 01 18:41:59 ##somenumber# Nov 01 18:42:09 i missed a month of development when i was out to see in september, and I'm just trying to clean up from catching up Nov 01 18:42:10 prethemer and preyourmind are find Nov 01 18:42:13 ok Nov 01 18:42:14 s/fine/find/ Nov 01 18:42:40 I hate the landscape keyboard Nov 01 18:42:41 dumping preware.conf and all should be good. and i'm being blind, but can't you access a list of feeds inside preware? Nov 01 18:43:01 though I love the sounds and vibrate Nov 01 18:43:17 pullingj: yes Nov 01 18:43:42 where in the ui is it then? Nov 01 18:43:47 kesne: Kieth swears by his Hero Nov 01 18:44:06 pullingj: yes.. its in the drop down menu Nov 01 18:44:10 then drop down menu again Nov 01 18:44:12 Keith loves his hero Nov 01 18:44:17 and with reason Nov 01 18:44:21 but just pull up terminal Nov 01 18:44:29 and rm /var/etc/ipkg/preware.conf Nov 01 18:44:31 *sigh* Nov 01 18:44:45 But we try to refrain from droid talk in here. Nov 01 18:44:48 no idea? Nov 01 18:44:50 oh, there, i saw the "feeds" button now, thanks Nov 01 18:44:51 einalex, the numbers don't work with a gsm pre ? Nov 01 18:45:00 bpadalino|work: right Nov 01 18:45:03 einalex: hash code thingy? Nov 01 18:45:15 check out the phone app ..they are listed there in the clear .. Nov 01 18:45:19 maybe you have different hashes Nov 01 18:45:29 hash codes : http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Pre_Specific_Hash_Codes Nov 01 18:46:02 bpadalino|work: what was that path again? Nov 01 18:46:06 to the apps Nov 01 18:46:14 /usr/palm/apps or something ? Nov 01 18:46:39 dBsooner: yeah, i dumped it from terminal. the feeds ui was something i was trying to find seperately Nov 01 18:46:43 thanks for the help Nov 01 18:46:44 right Nov 01 18:46:57 pullingj: ok... cool. No problem. Nov 01 18:51:16 hm could i do this: "TelephonyCommands.launchExternalProgram('usbpassthrough');" from the commandline somehow? Nov 01 18:51:59 einalex, is there no hash code to do that from the phone dialer ? Nov 01 18:52:01 really ? Nov 01 18:52:41 i found the function that launches the programm but still no hashcode.. Nov 01 18:52:58 have to dig deeper but if i can do it directly, why bother with the hash codes Nov 01 18:53:39 well, you found a problem that the CDMA and GSM hash codes don't mirror each other .. it would be helpful to know what the GSM hash codes really are Nov 01 18:53:49 so i'd urge you to figure out the hash codes and share it with everyone Nov 01 18:54:42 i'm on that right now. but knowing how to launch the respective apps manually could be interesting as well Nov 01 18:58:16 you'll need to see where launchExternalProgram ends up going, and see if it just passes that to the service in the background .. Nov 01 18:58:29 the Telephony Service is in Java and you can use a java decompiler to see what it does Nov 01 19:02:37 preyourmind.org/files/us.ryanhope.wircd_0.0.1_armv7.ipk Nov 01 19:02:43 ^^^ for testers Nov 01 19:05:19 got it Nov 01 19:05:30 its #*number# dial Nov 01 19:05:35 PuffTheMagic: can I just 'git pull && make' Nov 01 19:05:55 can someone put this on the wiki, i don't have an account there Nov 01 19:06:02 oh you actually have to dial the number on the GSM phone ? Nov 01 19:06:04 einalex: so make one. ;) Nov 01 19:06:07 not just type it in ? Nov 01 19:06:09 dBsooner: that has the event.d and proper postinst/prerm Nov 01 19:06:14 bpadalino|work: no Nov 01 19:06:27 you have to hit dial Nov 01 19:06:29 PuffTheMagic: oh.. so it will actually run as a service Nov 01 19:06:33 yeah Nov 01 19:06:35 just tried it once more Nov 01 19:06:50 interesting Nov 01 19:06:55 and it obviously doesn't work with all the cdma codes.. Nov 01 19:07:05 PuffTheMagic: so wget then run postinst? Nov 01 19:07:10 thank you! :) Nov 01 19:07:18 dBsooner: wget/install then postinst Nov 01 19:07:19 let's see if i can increase that gps accuracy Nov 01 19:07:26 PuffTheMagic: or that Nov 01 19:10:00 PuffTheMagic: is that only the service? Nov 01 19:10:15 yeah since most people have issues running it manually ;) Nov 01 19:10:26 gui is in a repo that u can clone and install from easily Nov 01 19:10:42 kk Nov 01 19:11:33 running C service manually = easier than ipk install Nov 01 19:12:09 oil, you awake Nov 01 19:12:13 egaudet: yeah you would think ;) Nov 01 19:12:18 egaudet: I agree. Nov 01 19:12:24 I have left mine manual Nov 01 19:12:32 so i can git pull && make Nov 01 19:12:59 If PuffTheMagic would give me his emu chroot! Nov 01 19:13:12 oh yeah Nov 01 19:13:52 egaudet: I am seriously debating implementing our rename procedure.. Nov 01 19:14:01 huh? Nov 01 19:14:15 dummy package thing? Nov 01 19:14:17 yes Nov 01 19:14:34 anyword on flash for pre Nov 01 19:14:36 but I want to know if oil is planning on transitioning to 2 lined titles first Nov 01 19:15:02 my idea was to create like an obsolete/ directory that you could just git mv obs. package to in the build.git/autopatch and the Makefile would just auto bump version, make only postinst with return 1 and build Nov 01 19:15:09 so it would be easy to automatically obsolete a package Nov 01 19:18:20 not a bad idea at all Nov 01 19:18:50 so would postinst return 1 make it uninstall? Nov 01 19:19:08 wait, it woulnd't be installed already if they were "installing" Nov 01 19:19:08 nm Nov 01 19:22:47 egaudet: did they ever release a 1.2.1 sdk? ALl I see on the developer.palm.com page is 1.2.0 Nov 01 19:24:12 um I don't know Nov 01 19:24:18 I don't think so Nov 01 19:27:12 how would I make the postinst return 1? just have the build/CONTROL/posinst 'echo return 1 >> postinst'? Nov 01 19:27:39 touch postinst Nov 01 19:27:45 echo "#!/bin/sh" >> postinst Nov 01 19:27:48 then yea Nov 01 19:28:01 ok Nov 01 19:31:43 egaudet: build.git/autopatch is seperated into - folders Nov 01 19:31:57 how can I have more than one package in an build.git/autopatch/obsolete? Nov 01 19:35:45 dBsooner, it's all Makefiles Nov 01 19:35:59 the process currently is just to make -C for each dir in autopatch/ Nov 01 19:36:20 so in obsolete/ if you had a Makefile that made packages for all subdirs in there or something would be one way Nov 01 19:37:50 $ git pull - Already up-to-date. Nov 01 19:37:52 wha? Nov 01 19:39:52 oil no one worked Nov 01 19:39:52 ;) Nov 01 19:44:39 I guess someone gots them a IRCop account Nov 01 19:44:40 ;) Nov 01 19:44:51 someone abusin their IRCop account at that Nov 01 19:45:18 you all got slow hosts Nov 01 19:45:29 what is going on here? Nov 01 19:45:39 magics Nov 01 19:45:41 Someone hacked an IRCop account looks like Nov 01 19:45:49 and then banned everyone from that server Nov 01 19:47:13 Did freenode just have a hic cup? Nov 01 19:47:36 i just got a weird msg from freenode, myself Nov 01 19:47:58 ok Nov 01 20:28:19 egaudet: Can you help me with this Makefile thing real quick? Nov 01 20:29:13 yea where you at Nov 01 20:29:15 is all i need in the osbolete/Makefile: Nov 01 20:29:27 i'll pm it Nov 01 20:33:35 hi Nov 01 20:34:10 hi Nov 01 20:36:36 oil ping Nov 01 20:38:58 oil: WAKE UP Nov 01 20:40:10 wb rwhitby .. Freenode decided to mass kill everyone. :D Nov 01 20:40:32 Or should I say, a rogue service bot did. Nov 01 20:45:08 * sugardave blames oil. Nov 01 20:51:31 hmm Nov 01 20:51:54 heh: /crown -R us ./base Nov 01 20:56:13 hey wIRC devs.. Nov 01 20:56:19 ? Nov 01 20:56:24 did those Global notices make it into wIRC? Nov 01 20:56:32 eh? Nov 01 20:56:33 It was a good chance for a test. Nov 01 20:56:34 ;) Nov 01 20:56:41 -Notice- {from christel} [Global Notice] Hi all, We have now worked out the cause of the recent killings, and for those interested, information can be found at http://announce.freenode.net -- We apologise for the balls-up and the inconvenience caused. Thank you for using freenode and have a nice evening. Nov 01 20:56:54 yeah, i got it Nov 01 20:56:57 cool Nov 01 20:57:02 anyway, oil you got a sec? Nov 01 20:57:06 I'll pay you.. Nov 01 20:57:11 im about to start eating Nov 01 20:57:17 after that Nov 01 20:58:03 I was just wondering if you would "really consider" making title 2 lines in Preware. Nov 01 20:58:31 Translate "really consider" as "really do it" Nov 01 21:00:32 oil: eat faster Nov 01 21:00:53 dBsooner: you have push access to preware i beleive Nov 01 21:01:08 which doesn't mean go making unapproved changes Nov 01 21:01:18 which doesn't mean I am going to abuse it PuffTheMagic Nov 01 21:01:28 I was given strict instructions to only mess with autopatch Nov 01 21:01:33 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Nov 01 21:01:48 PuffTheMagic: If I was to abuse it, I would ahve done it already. Nov 01 21:01:58 "Its easier to ask for forgiveness than permission" Nov 01 21:02:08 i dont see how you contributing is an abuse Nov 01 21:02:26 oil: The reason I ask for 2 lines is I am getting a lot of AM pm's saying they don't understand why patches don't have better titles Nov 01 21:02:32 I try to explain the limited space Nov 01 21:02:43 the #1 request is to be : Nov 01 21:02:47 Which I would like to do Nov 01 21:02:54 but it would require more room in the title field in Preware. Nov 01 21:03:17 As you have said in the past, App Cat does it and it looks good. I would like to try it in Preware too. Nov 01 21:04:43 It seems a lot of people don't pay attention to the ICON.. And they don't browse by category, rather "Show All" Nov 01 21:05:24 hi Nov 01 21:08:39 even if i make it 2 lines Nov 01 21:08:46 i still dont think you should do category: name Nov 01 21:09:59 I cant wait for the irc app :D Nov 01 21:11:15 hm Nov 01 21:11:19 Abyssul: u can use it already Nov 01 21:11:26 just dont bug us with bugs Nov 01 21:11:46 oil: Well two lines would give me more room at least Nov 01 21:11:53 i can't get my windows to ask for the diagnostic usb driver... Nov 01 21:11:57 ideas? Nov 01 21:12:11 einalex: 90% of the people in here don't use windows Nov 01 21:12:21 ^^ opinion Nov 01 21:12:23 Its not packaged into an app though, so ima wait until it is. (unless im missing it) Nov 01 21:12:28 dBsooner: i don't do it either Nov 01 21:12:30 Abyssul: it is now Nov 01 21:12:34 had to borrow dads pc Nov 01 21:12:37 PuffTheMagic: link him Nov 01 21:12:38 Had to ask :) Nov 01 21:13:00 dBsooner: I'd bet that >70% of the people in here *do* use windows Nov 01 21:13:00 I try to do the gps accuracy hack: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/206982-palm-pre-gps-additional-gps-modes-autonomous-assisted-cached.html Nov 01 21:13:14 <-- Win7 Nov 01 21:13:23 <-- Ubuntu Karmic & Win 7 Nov 01 21:13:29 now that I found out how to access the usbpass dialog on a gsm pre Nov 01 21:13:38 rwhitby: as the primary os? Nov 01 21:13:40 and switched a usb port to diag mode Nov 01 21:13:43 rwhitby: OH! G'morning sir! Nov 01 21:13:49 dBsooner: yep, I'd expect so. Nov 01 21:14:07 rwhitby: hmm.. ok.. of those that are active more than 4 hours a day in here.. Nov 01 21:14:13 dBsooner: (note that I'm not suggesting anyone do that, but I expect that would be the percentage in a group of 124 people) Nov 01 21:14:18 i still can't get the pre to talk to the qpst tool because i can't install the diagnostic driver that's needed to communicate.. Nov 01 21:14:33 http://preyourmind.org/files/us.ryanhope.wircd_0.0.1_armv7.ipk Nov 01 21:14:36 einalex: did you use mpt ? Nov 01 21:14:40 Abyssul: ^^ link Nov 01 21:14:45 http://preyourmind.org/files/ws.junk.wirc_0.0.1_all.ipk Nov 01 21:14:54 rwhitby: i tried both methods. mpt d0 as well as the gui Nov 01 21:15:01 Abyssul: ^^ link for gui Nov 01 21:15:11 remember to run the postinst of both Nov 01 21:15:30 einalex: it worked fine in a windows XP guest running in VirtualBox on a MacOSX host ... Nov 01 21:15:50 i have it running on a windows xp here Nov 01 21:16:15 got my dads laptop to do it... Nov 01 21:16:15 rwhitby: What do you think of my proposal/question to oil about the two line titles and/or : for patches. Nov 01 21:16:36 i think there might be more differences between the gsm and the cdma pre.. Nov 01 21:17:41 einalex: my GSM pre should arrive this week or next, so I'll be able to verify that. Nov 01 21:18:03 dBsooner: perhaps the All list can automatically display the category ... Nov 01 21:18:17 rwhitby: that was my idea to Eric. Nov 01 21:18:23 He said, "no, never, ever, ever, never" Nov 01 21:18:37 ^^ plagarized quote Nov 01 21:18:50 The ALL list can display the category, but not changing the title Nov 01 21:19:04 egaudet: yep, that's what I was proposing Nov 01 21:19:04 egaudet: I never said change the title Nov 01 21:19:16 egaudet: I said to display : Nov 01 21:19:26 and in the Category view it would just be Nov 01 21:19:30 is exactly what i said. :D Nov 01 21:19:30 i.e. it can't display : in one view and then <title> in another view Nov 01 21:19:46 <dBsooner> why not? Nov 01 21:19:48 <egaudet> and by can't I mean I don't think it should Nov 01 21:19:53 <egaudet> because users get confused EASILY Nov 01 21:20:05 <dBsooner> well.. Nov 01 21:20:14 <egaudet> if you change "Use this patch" to "Use This patch", users will be like "so is there anything different between the two Nov 01 21:20:17 <dBsooner> Calculator: Enable Vibration Nov 01 21:20:22 <dBsooner> vs Enable Vibration Nov 01 21:20:43 <einalex> rwhitby: any idea what could be the cause? you sure know a great bit more about it than me Nov 01 21:20:44 <dBsooner> I think the first is better. Nov 01 21:21:02 <rwhitby> einalex: actually, I know very little about it. Nov 01 21:21:17 <rwhitby> einalex: it jut happened to work for me ;-) Nov 01 21:22:17 <einalex> ok thanks anyway. keep me posted pls Nov 01 21:23:16 <dBsooner> egaudet, rwhitby, oil: I think having it on the same line would be better than making the "Show All" list be incredibly long with 4+ lines per package Nov 01 21:23:31 <Abyssul> i dont even use the categories lol Nov 01 21:23:35 <Abyssul> I just go to Show ALl Nov 01 21:23:41 <dBsooner> See, I think MOST people do that. Nov 01 21:23:48 <dBsooner> At least most of the feedback I am getting is because of that. Nov 01 21:24:13 <Abyssul> I fail to see a problem with the current way its set up Nov 01 21:24:15 <rwhitby> I use "ipkg -o /var list | grep ..." Nov 01 21:24:32 <egaudet> If you are listing all, it's not our job to try and organize things. You offer organization by alphabetical, date etc... Nov 01 21:24:51 <egaudet> there's a reason for categorization etc... Nov 01 21:24:59 <dBsooner> egaudet: But I can see the AM concern of it not being super organized Nov 01 21:25:06 <dBsooner> with 3 "Enable vibration" packages Nov 01 21:25:12 <egaudet> AM A and AM B want different things Nov 01 21:25:15 <egaudet> you can't please the world Nov 01 21:25:23 <Abyssul> wtf is AM Nov 01 21:25:27 <dBsooner> Aunt Minnie Nov 01 21:25:46 <rwhitby> Hmm: "ipkg -o /var list" doesn't show categories ... Nov 01 21:25:51 <dBsooner> Well I like the way it is myself, but would want 2 lines at least. Nov 01 21:26:02 <dBsooner> HOWEVER, I can see the AM argument and don't think its "that bad" of an idea. Nov 01 21:26:18 <dBsooner> rwhitby: sure it does Nov 01 21:26:35 <dBsooner> <category>-<name>_<Version>_all.ipkg Nov 01 21:27:07 <rwhitby> dBsooner: ah, you're right - it's in the pakage id. Nov 01 21:27:13 <dBsooner> xD Nov 01 21:27:17 <dBsooner> WE did that on purpose Nov 01 21:27:48 <rwhitby> egaudet: a thought about patches and themes - 'unionfs' Nov 01 21:28:05 * rwhitby bbl Nov 01 21:28:11 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I have one more request from you Nov 01 21:28:13 <dBsooner> when you get time. Nov 01 21:28:59 * egaudet going to google unionfs Nov 01 21:29:04 <dBsooner> me too Nov 01 21:29:05 <dBsooner> lol Nov 01 21:29:32 <dBsooner> rwhitby: when you get time, I want to know if you can look into making a buildscript for/with me. Nov 01 21:34:55 * dBsooner likes the idea of unionfs Nov 01 21:40:16 <einalex> huh Nov 01 21:40:27 <einalex> the avahi is still not working... Nov 01 21:47:57 <einalex> woohooo working! :) Nov 01 22:01:12 <lenux3> is the wirc working in wifi only or in evdo too Nov 01 22:01:20 <dBsooner> both Nov 01 22:01:36 <dBsooner> you can't connect via one then switch to the other though Nov 01 22:01:38 <dBsooner> I found that out Nov 01 22:01:50 <oil> lol Nov 01 22:01:57 <dBsooner> which is kinda obvious really Nov 01 22:02:01 <oil> it will need some sort of auto-reconnect-on-fail Nov 01 22:02:08 <dBsooner> yeah, that's what it needs Nov 01 22:02:16 <oil> its not bad for sitting somewhere not moving though Nov 01 22:02:16 <dBsooner> oil, so how about that 2 lines? :D Nov 01 22:02:22 <einalex> huh, is there somelinke lspci for the pre? Nov 01 22:02:25 <dBsooner> oil, love it.. absolutely love it. Nov 01 22:02:26 <oil> as i bet switching towers would cause problems, too Nov 01 22:02:30 <einalex> where i could look at the hardware... Nov 01 22:02:37 <einalex> like the gps chipset.. Nov 01 22:02:38 <dBsooner> oil: Maybe not.. because you keep the same ip Nov 01 22:02:56 <dBsooner> oil: your data sessions stays constant Nov 01 22:03:11 <oil> huh Nov 01 22:03:15 <dBsooner> like my aircard.. when I am driving around town, I keep my Putty windows open the whole time Nov 01 22:03:18 <dBsooner> and it never dc's Nov 01 22:03:24 <dBsooner> same with my RDP connection Nov 01 22:03:26 <oil> thats good Nov 01 22:03:34 <dBsooner> its the same as a cell call Nov 01 22:03:41 <lenux3> is it ok if i dl the ipk above and play with it ? Nov 01 22:03:42 <dBsooner> the tower is just a relay to the PTSN Nov 01 22:03:49 <dBsooner> all the magic happens at the local switching Nov 01 22:04:21 <Abyssul_wIRC> Success! :) Nov 01 22:04:40 <dBsooner> Dang windows XP and ASUS mother boardx!! I hate having to find all these drivers.. Nov 01 22:05:38 <Abyssul_wIRC> Why are the names pink and purple lol Nov 01 22:05:54 <dBsooner> that's oil's way of coming out of the closet. Nov 01 22:06:07 <Abyssul_wIRC> Haha Nov 01 22:06:08 <tlp> Abyssul_wIRC: are you just playing with the service, or does wIRC sort of work now? Nov 01 22:06:16 <lingfish> mornin all :) Nov 01 22:06:35 <Abyssul_wIRC> This is the gui and service Nov 01 22:06:45 <oil> the nick colors are random Nov 01 22:06:55 <dBsooner> oil: don't lie! Nov 01 22:07:04 <Abyssul_wIRC> Works pretty well although there are some things that need fixed :p Nov 01 22:07:05 <tlp> neat Nov 01 22:07:07 <oil> ircNick.prototype.getRandomColor Nov 01 22:07:12 <tlp> how do you install it? Nov 01 22:07:15 <tlp> git? Nov 01 22:07:16 <oil> return '#'+('00000'+(Math.random()*0xFFFFFF+1<<0).toString(16)).substr(-6); Nov 01 22:07:18 <dBsooner> Abyssul: say NOTHING about what needs to be fixed. Nov 01 22:07:25 <Abyssul_wIRC> I know Nov 01 22:07:38 <oil> Abyssul_wIRC is on latest release? Nov 01 22:07:44 <oil> that means /queries to him default open new card Nov 01 22:07:45 <oil> lol Nov 01 22:07:52 <dBsooner> oil: he is on the release that PuffTheMagic last packaged up Nov 01 22:07:57 <dBsooner> oil: so I don't know Nov 01 22:07:58 <Abyssul_wIRC> Whatever puff gave me Nov 01 22:08:02 <dBsooner> I LOVE the release you put out last night Nov 01 22:08:08 <dBsooner> I "git pull" on my Pre. Nov 01 22:08:08 <dBsooner> :D Nov 01 22:08:20 <tlp> oil: you guys going to put somethign in Preware soon? Nov 01 22:08:33 <dBsooner> tlp: Probably not.. It still has a lot of work. Nov 01 22:08:36 <PuffTheMagic> tlp: prob not "soon" Nov 01 22:08:40 <tlp> ah Nov 01 22:08:46 <oil> "eventually" Nov 01 22:08:57 <tlp> maybe I should go pull it down from PreYourMind Nov 01 22:08:59 <dBsooner> I would say "sooner than later" Nov 01 22:09:08 <ni|> PuffTheMagic: yo Nov 01 22:09:09 <Abyssul> So Im not allowed to make a single suggestion? Nov 01 22:09:11 <oil> that code is old sauce Nov 01 22:09:15 <PuffTheMagic> ni|: im about to eat dinner Nov 01 22:09:17 <tlp> where's the new spicy sauce? Nov 01 22:09:18 <ni|> PuffTheMagic: ok Nov 01 22:09:22 <oil> its on webos-internals repo Nov 01 22:09:25 <oil> not visible Nov 01 22:09:29 <oil> tmp/wirc.git Nov 01 22:09:29 <tlp> ah Nov 01 22:10:44 <oil> Abyssul: you can add your thoughts to the wiki page Nov 01 22:10:49 <PuffTheMagic> oil: reaname works :D Nov 01 22:10:50 <oil> so we can ignore them till we feel like dealing with them Nov 01 22:10:55 <Abyssul> nvm, my concern is already there :) Nov 01 22:11:04 <oil> PuffTheMagic thats good Nov 01 22:11:33 <oil> oh, now i gotta do merge crap ;( Nov 01 22:11:37 <PuffTheMagic> lol Nov 01 22:11:49 <PuffTheMagic> oil: just pull before push Nov 01 22:11:52 <PuffTheMagic> it should work fine Nov 01 22:11:59 <PuffTheMagic> i doubt i touched the areas u were working on Nov 01 22:12:04 <ni|> PuffTheMagic: this dev env is great Nov 01 22:12:06 <oil> server.js Nov 01 22:12:30 <PuffTheMagic> ni|: the SDK you mean? Nov 01 22:12:59 <PuffTheMagic> ni|: you probably dont use eclipse but plam has a pretty nice plugin for it Nov 01 22:13:10 <PuffTheMagic> ni|: and Templarian made a plugin for Komodo edit Nov 01 22:13:16 <PuffTheMagic> if u are into that Nov 01 22:13:21 * PuffTheMagic goes to eat dinner Nov 01 22:17:02 <entity-> what the newest wirc version?> Nov 01 22:17:11 <oil> 0.0.1 Nov 01 22:19:37 <tlp> oil: so non-visible meaning I can't get to it unless I have access or something? Nov 01 22:19:47 <oil> meaning, there is no gitweb Nov 01 22:20:54 <tlp> ah Nov 01 22:26:24 <dBsooner> oil, you never responded to my 2 line questions.. I would like to start working on these titles if you are willing to do the 2 line thing. Nov 01 22:26:59 <oil> sure, lets see what ya got Nov 01 22:27:00 <oil> brb Nov 01 22:27:12 <dBsooner> ? Nov 01 22:35:29 <egaudet> rename what? Nov 01 22:37:42 <dBsooner> huh? Nov 01 22:39:25 <egaudet> <PuffTheMagic> oil: reaname works :D Nov 01 22:39:40 <dBsooner> oh Nov 01 22:45:54 <Puffy_wIRC> when a problem comes along Nov 01 22:46:58 <egaudet> hey Puffy_wIRC Nov 01 22:47:21 <Puffy_wIRC> you are piss green Nov 01 22:47:29 <egaudet> lol Nov 01 22:47:48 <egaudet> we gotta set some standards on those random colors :P Nov 01 22:47:57 <Puffy_wIRC> we gotta make blacklist Nov 01 22:47:59 <egaudet> now let's decide a good combination for tab completion Nov 01 22:48:08 <egaudet> I got it working somewhat Nov 01 22:48:16 <Puffy_wIRC> shift+entet Nov 01 22:48:20 <Puffy_wIRC> enter Nov 01 22:48:27 <egaudet> can't Nov 01 22:48:32 <Puffy_wIRC> why Nov 01 22:48:40 <egaudet> while holding shift we don't get the enter event Nov 01 22:48:50 <egaudet> TRACKBALL MODE OFF due to keypress: 13 Nov 01 22:48:52 <egaudet> damn luna steals it Nov 01 22:49:33 <Puffy_wIRC> what about shift+backspace Nov 01 22:49:45 <Puffy_wIRC> nope Nov 01 22:49:51 <egaudet> deltes word Nov 01 22:50:04 <Puffy_wIRC> orangr Nov 01 22:50:11 <egaudet> I mean actually we could hackishly do that shift backspace Nov 01 22:50:15 <egaudet> I might be able to make that work Nov 01 22:50:16 <Puffy_wIRC> orange+backspace Nov 01 22:50:53 <egaudet> orange+backspace or shift+backspace makes no difference Nov 01 22:50:59 <egaudet> actually shift+backspace might be best Nov 01 22:51:11 <egaudet> because it already deletes the tabbing text for us Nov 01 22:51:16 <egaudet> good idea, time to try Nov 01 22:52:05 <egaudet> well Nov 01 22:52:18 <egaudet> do we want to get rid of people's ability to del word ? Nov 01 22:52:48 <Puffy_wIRC> whay about Nov 01 22:52:57 <Puffy_wIRC> gesture+orange Nov 01 22:53:09 <Puffy_wIRC> jdhfhdh Nov 01 22:54:22 <egaudet> i like gesture orange Nov 01 22:56:43 <Puffy_wIRC> oil is there a way we can make the channel header clickable Nov 01 22:57:00 <Puffy_wIRC> like to show topic Nov 01 22:57:40 <egaudet> just listen to tap event for on that target Nov 01 22:58:42 <ni|> wtf Nov 01 22:59:06 <Puffy_wIRC> can we make it spawn a mini dropdown scrim? Nov 01 22:59:20 <Puffy_wIRC> ni| what Nov 01 22:59:35 <ni|> stupid computer Nov 01 22:59:45 <ni|> my thread view has a serious problem Nov 01 22:59:48 <ni|> its mixing threads Nov 01 22:59:54 <ni|> its like... shuffle view Nov 01 23:00:03 <ni|> but i think i know where the problem is Nov 01 23:00:06 <Puffy_wIRC> sounds like progress though Nov 01 23:00:12 <ni|> its all in emu Nov 01 23:00:14 <ni|> with novaterm Nov 01 23:00:20 <ni|> i haven't done anything special because i'm lazy Nov 01 23:00:25 <ni|> i'm just working in vi Nov 01 23:00:25 <Puffy_wIRC> you are modifying the stock mail app right? Nov 01 23:00:28 <ni|> yes Nov 01 23:00:42 <ni|> what we need to do it get git on the phones Nov 01 23:00:48 <oil> clickable header with dropdown was my plan for topic Nov 01 23:00:51 <ni|> so ican just work with git in the novaterm Nov 01 23:00:53 <Puffy_wIRC> ni| optware Nov 01 23:00:59 <ni|> Puffy_wIRC: ? Nov 01 23:01:03 <Puffy_wIRC> its on the wiki Nov 01 23:01:06 <ni|> w/e Nov 01 23:01:09 <ni|> i'll figure that out later Nov 01 23:01:23 <Puffy_wIRC> you can install like 1000000 apps with optware Nov 01 23:01:28 <ni|> lol Nov 01 23:01:30 <ni|> thats a lot Nov 01 23:01:35 <Puffy_wIRC> it takes like 2 seconds Nov 01 23:01:45 <ni|> i have to work on the compiler Nov 01 23:01:53 <ni|> Puffy_wIRC: ok well i'll do that later Nov 01 23:01:57 <ni|> because that will be invaluable Nov 01 23:02:02 <Puffy_wIRC> fine do that Nov 01 23:02:08 <ni|> i can write whatever i want w/o even having a pre Nov 01 23:02:37 <Puffy_wIRC> that's what I was telling u Nov 01 23:10:12 <kesne_> what does optware do? Nov 01 23:11:05 <Puffy_wIRC> you shoild know Nov 01 23:11:12 <Puffy_wIRC> you are not a noob Nov 01 23:11:26 <oil> lol Nov 01 23:11:41 <kesne_hero> I'm a noob with Linux crap Nov 01 23:11:53 <dBsooner> oil: what was your comment of "let's see what you got" about earlier? Nov 01 23:12:23 <oil> you said you were going to try to do it Nov 01 23:12:27 <oil> i said, lets see what you got Nov 01 23:12:28 <dBsooner> Nuh uh.. Nov 01 23:12:30 <dBsooner> I asked you to do it. Nov 01 23:12:31 <dBsooner> :) Nov 01 23:12:38 * dBsooner doesn't want to break anything.l Nov 01 23:12:42 <oil> ah Nov 01 23:13:20 <dBsooner> oil: but sure, I'll take a look at it in a cloned repo Nov 01 23:13:23 <dBsooner> and build locally Nov 01 23:13:50 <dBsooner> actually, I'll probably just do everything from inside the phone/ssh in Nov 01 23:14:03 <Decimation> hello Nov 01 23:14:15 <dBsooner> rwhitby: welcome back. Did you get my message earlier about asking you to help me out with a buildscript? Nov 01 23:14:46 * rwhitby had a disk crash on his IRC bouncer machine. Responses will be delayed during repairs. Nov 01 23:14:54 <dBsooner> wowsers. Nov 01 23:15:29 <Decimation> ouch. Nov 01 23:18:03 <kesne> Puffy_wIRC: is the service in IPK form yet? Nov 01 23:18:09 <dBsooner> kesne: yes Nov 01 23:18:18 <kesne> link? Nov 01 23:18:19 <dBsooner> search the log for us.ryanhope Nov 01 23:18:24 <ni|> rwhitby: can you put me in touch with the person you talked to? Nov 01 23:18:31 <ni|> i don't want to impose Nov 01 23:18:55 <ni|> i have a way to get one from ebay but i have no way of knowning since he won't respond though he is a power seller Nov 01 23:19:05 <dBsooner> http://preyourmind.org/files/us.ryanhope.wircd_0.0.1_armv7.ipk Nov 01 23:19:10 <rwhitby> ni|: you mean for a german Pre purchase? Nov 01 23:19:16 <ni|> rwhitby: yes sir Nov 01 23:19:24 <ni|> PuffTheMagic: i have quazi thread view now Nov 01 23:19:26 <dBsooner> kesne: ^^ make sure you run postinst Nov 01 23:19:34 <ni|> its kind of fucked though still Nov 01 23:19:54 <kesne> Right, because I know what that means... Nov 01 23:20:01 <oil> you dont? Nov 01 23:20:10 <dBsooner> kesne: seriously? Nov 01 23:20:15 <Puffy_wIRC> lol Nov 01 23:20:22 * dBsooner is floored. Nov 01 23:20:33 <dBsooner> kense: get to terminal Nov 01 23:20:41 <dBsooner> kesne: wget http://preyourmind.org/files/us.ryanhope.wircd_0.0.1_armv7.ipk Nov 01 23:20:58 <kesne> When will people relalize that I have no linux know-how Nov 01 23:21:05 <oil> this is pre knowhow Nov 01 23:21:06 <ni|> Puffy_wIRC: you laughing at me Nov 01 23:21:12 <dBsooner> kesne: ipkg -o /var install us.ryanhope.wircd_0.0.1_armv7.ipk Nov 01 23:21:30 * oil thinks kesne should change his nick to aunti_kesne Nov 01 23:21:40 <dBsooner> kesne: sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/us.ryanhope.wircd.postinst Nov 01 23:22:15 <dBsooner> kesne: wget http://preyourmind.org/files/ws.junk.wirc_0.0.1_all.ipk Nov 01 23:22:29 <dBsooner> kesne: ipkg -o /var install ws.junk.wirc_0.0.1_all.ipk Nov 01 23:22:50 <dBsooner> kesne: initctl LunaSysMgr stop && initctl LunaSysMgr start Nov 01 23:23:05 <dBsooner> kesne: Open launcher, scroll to bottom, select wIRC Nov 01 23:23:06 <dBsooner> ;) Nov 01 23:23:37 <Decimation> i cant find the terminal application in preware? :/ Nov 01 23:23:48 <oil> list of everything > type term Nov 01 23:24:03 <Decimation> first thing i tried Nov 01 23:24:04 <Decimation> nothing. Nov 01 23:24:06 * dBsooner thinks wIRC might be better off not being published so nicely. ;) Nov 01 23:24:19 <rwhitby> Decimation: can you get a command line? Nov 01 23:24:27 <Puffy_wIRC> who is helping kenese I can't tell cause his nick is pink Nov 01 23:24:30 <rwhitby> Decimation: ipkg -o /var list | grep terminal Nov 01 23:24:37 <oil> Puffy_wIRC: dbsooner Nov 01 23:24:39 <dBsooner> Puffy_wIRC: dBsooner Nov 01 23:24:44 <Puffy_wIRC> lol Nov 01 23:24:51 <dBsooner> why am I pink? Nov 01 23:25:00 <Decimation> rwhitby: meh, i didnt want to do ANYTHING on my computer. Nov 01 23:25:06 <Puffy_wIRC> wirc auto nick color fail Nov 01 23:25:38 <dBsooner> Hmm.. we should make it easier and add it as a separate repo picked up by the autobuilder. Nov 01 23:25:58 <kesne> Nick already in use? Nov 01 23:26:00 <dBsooner> so someone can just echo BLAH >> wirc.temp.conf Nov 01 23:26:08 <Decimation> yeah, this is weird, terminal just doesnt seem to show up in my preware Nov 01 23:26:32 <Puffy_wIRC> kesne change your nick Nov 01 23:26:33 <dBsooner> or i'll write a shellscript Nov 01 23:26:42 <Decimation> only feeds i have disabled are the theme ones Nov 01 23:27:14 <rwhitby> Decimation: well, if you want to debug why, type the command I said. if not, "meh" to helping you ;-) Nov 01 23:27:29 <Decimation> okay, give me one second :) Nov 01 23:27:30 <kesne> oh I see Nov 01 23:27:42 <dBsooner> rwhitby: can you help me with that autobuild script later? Nov 01 23:27:53 <rwhitby> dBsooner: which autobuild script is that? Nov 01 23:28:02 <kesne_pre> Heya Nov 01 23:28:11 <dBsooner> rwhitby: build.git/obsolete/Makefile Nov 01 23:28:17 <kesne_pre> It works! Nov 01 23:28:21 <kesne_pre> Yay! Nov 01 23:28:24 <rwhitby> dBsooner: what's it going to do? Nov 01 23:28:24 <Decimation> rwhitby: org.webosinternals.terminal - 0.2.2 - Terminal Nov 01 23:28:31 <kesne_pre> I feel so happy! Nov 01 23:28:44 <kesne_pre> Is this a battery killer though? Nov 01 23:28:46 <rwhitby> Decimation: good - the problem is in oil's court now ;-) Nov 01 23:28:55 <kesne> kesne_pre: I bet it is Nov 01 23:29:28 <dBsooner> rwhitby: we want to be able to git mv build.git/autopatch/<packageid>/ to build/git/autopatch/obsolete/ Nov 01 23:29:33 <kesne> Whats the point of the username list? Nov 01 23:29:51 <dBsooner> rwhitby: and the Makefile in obsolete will search all subdirs for a Makefile and build a "dummy package" that will just return 1 in the postinst Nov 01 23:29:56 * Decimation turns to oil. Nov 01 23:30:03 <ni|> Puffy_wIRC: my mother goes to germany on the 13th of nov Nov 01 23:30:05 <ni|> problme solved Nov 01 23:30:37 <dBsooner> rwhitby: it would need to increase the version #/build # as well so Preware will pick it up as "Updated" Nov 01 23:30:53 <dBsooner> rwhitby: We thought about making the Version 2.0.0 or 99.99.99 or something.. Nov 01 23:31:04 <rwhitby> dBsooner: it could just use 1:9.9.9 as the version. Nov 01 23:31:17 <dBsooner> rwhitby: that would be fine Nov 01 23:31:29 <dBsooner> rwhitby: something that would never be used, but yet always show up as update Nov 01 23:32:07 <kesne> Can I close the wIRC app and the connection stays? Nov 01 23:32:19 <dBsooner> rwhitby: Basically this is the "dummy package" users will see for their Installed package as an "update to <package_id>".. but all it will do is tell them "THIS PACKAGE IS OBSOLETE, PLEASE REMOVE IT AND INSTALL <NEW_PACKAGE>" Nov 01 23:32:36 <dBsooner> rwhitby: then IF they try to "install" said DUMMY PACKAGE, postinst just returns 1 so it doesn't do anything. Nov 01 23:33:16 <dBsooner> rwhitby: and ultimately, we would want the "dummy package" (obsolete package) not LISTED in the "list" of Preware.. but still show up as an "updated package". Nov 01 23:33:28 <Puffy_wIRC> kense ask about it till 1.0.0 Nov 01 23:34:07 <Puffy_wIRC> ni| awesome Nov 01 23:34:11 <dBsooner> kesne: First rule of using wIRC at this point in time, Do not ask questions. Nov 01 23:34:20 <kesne> hehe Nov 01 23:34:21 <kesne> alright Nov 01 23:34:32 <dBsooner> or was it, "Don't bug us about bugsA" Nov 01 23:34:43 <egw> D Nov 01 23:35:04 <Deci_pre> Woot :) Nov 01 23:35:34 <Puffy_wIRC> don't anything till 1.0.0 Nov 01 23:35:56 <Deci_pre> Don't anything? Nov 01 23:35:56 <oil> actually Nov 01 23:35:57 <oil> do Nov 01 23:36:01 <oil> just do it to the wiki page Nov 01 23:36:04 <oil> so we can get to it later Nov 01 23:36:04 <dBsooner> lol Nov 01 23:37:21 * rwhitby watches the aunt minnie adoption of wIRC with interest ... Nov 01 23:37:31 <Puffy_wIRC> lol Nov 01 23:37:36 <dBsooner> rwhitby: lol Nov 01 23:37:44 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I gotta stop helpin' these folks Nov 01 23:37:54 <Deci_pre> Wow, I finally have a nice convienent way to lurk webos-internals via my Pre :) nice work so far guys Nov 01 23:37:57 <ni|> Puffy_wIRC: we'll see if i still like the platform after i've deved on it for 2 weeks Nov 01 23:38:08 <ni|> works better for me than an impulse buy Nov 01 23:38:23 <dBsooner> rwhitby: What do you think of the idea I stated above? It's whats egaudet and I had come up with. I just wanted to come to you with your GNU Make wizardry. Nov 01 23:38:30 <Puffy_wIRC> I think/hope you will Nov 01 23:38:34 <oil> with no impulse buy you have no buyers regret? Nov 01 23:38:35 <rwhitby> ni|: I've deved on it since before day 1, and still haven't made a phone call on it. Nov 01 23:38:36 <oil> where is the fun in that Nov 01 23:38:47 <ni|> rwhitby: ? Nov 01 23:38:50 <ni|> why Nov 01 23:38:56 <ni|> rwhitby: you using a treo? Nov 01 23:39:30 <rwhitby> dBsooner: seems fine. we need to talk to oil about the best way to have packages that show as updates but don't show in lists. He can just use Decimation's hiding terminal example as the way to do it ;-) Nov 01 23:39:45 <rwhitby> ni|: CDMA Pre doesn't work as a phone in Australia. GSM Pre is in transit. Nov 01 23:39:45 <dBsooner> rwhitby: GOod call! Nov 01 23:39:53 <ni|> rwhitby: oh thats right Nov 01 23:39:57 <dBsooner> oil: any ideas? Nov 01 23:40:00 <ni|> rwhitby: i'm going to au soon enough too Nov 01 23:40:03 <ni|> thats why i'm gettin gthis Nov 01 23:40:05 <rwhitby> ni|: I use a Treo 650 at the moment. Nov 01 23:40:17 <ni|> rwhitby: cool i use an iphone and a blackberry bold Nov 01 23:40:34 <ni|> and maybe if i'm psyched about the whole thing by the 13th i'll get the pre Nov 01 23:40:49 <tlp> rwhitby: so did you end up liking the physical device? Nov 01 23:41:02 <tlp> I remember you expressing some uncertainty prior to getting one Nov 01 23:41:11 <rwhitby> tlp: physical is good. dunno about call quality yet. GPS doesn't work in southern hemisphere. Nov 01 23:41:29 <Puffy_wIRC> haha Nov 01 23:41:43 <tlp> yeah, I just mean the non-phone stuff Nov 01 23:41:48 <Puffy_wIRC> rwhitby software issue? Nov 01 23:42:33 <rwhitby> Puffy_wIRC: seems to be a combination of a seed location near Niagara falls, and a too-short timeout which assumes you're either near Niagara Falls, or have operator assisted location data. Nov 01 23:42:54 <rwhitby> Plus misc software issues that cause a lattitude of 394 degrees. Nov 01 23:43:21 <Puffy_wIRC> I live min from niagara falls Nov 01 23:43:36 <rwhitby> Puffy_wIRC: I'll blame you then. Or Canda. Nov 01 23:43:36 <dBsooner> Puffy_wIRC: but rwhitby does not. ;) Nov 01 23:43:47 <rwhitby> s/Canda/Canada/ Nov 01 23:43:47 <infobot> rwhitby meant: Puffy_wIRC: I'll blame you then. Or Canada. Nov 01 23:44:12 <Puffy_wIRC> guess we can make our own gps service Nov 01 23:44:30 <Puffy_wIRC> since we can port the existing java one Nov 01 23:44:44 <dBsooner> rwhitby: does AGPS work? Nov 01 23:44:46 <rwhitby> Puffy_wIRC: the problem is not in the java bit. Nov 01 23:45:13 <rwhitby> dBsooner: no cellular connection, no AGPS. Nov 01 23:45:27 <dBsooner> rwhitby: that makes perfect sense, no? Nov 01 23:46:06 <dBsooner> pfft.. just geocode your IP Nov 01 23:46:17 <Puffy_wIRC> what other software gps code is there? Nov 01 23:48:01 * dBsooner thought it was almost 1900 or 1930 Nov 01 23:48:09 <dBsooner> isntead its only 1745 Nov 01 23:48:19 <Decimation> jason is making some amazing patches.. Nov 01 23:49:05 <rwhitby> Decimation: indeed he is, and he's onboard with MIT licensing too, which it great. He has a good sense of when to open source for the community and when to closed source for his business. Nov 01 23:49:33 <Puffy_wIRC> ni| will have a threaded mail patch soon Nov 01 23:49:33 <dBsooner> Decimation: feel free to take screen shots of hits patches Nov 01 23:49:47 <dBsooner> Because he doesn't do that when he uploads with the form. He just attaches the patch. ;) Nov 01 23:50:03 <Decimation> hes most recent one Nov 01 23:50:21 <Decimation> the adding the option to modify your brightness from the top bar. Nov 01 23:50:23 <Decimation> amazing. Nov 01 23:52:06 * rwhitby bbl Nov 01 23:52:56 <Puffy_wIRC> decimation he's most or his most? Nov 01 23:53:45 <entity-> when you install a patch Nov 01 23:53:53 <entity-> do you have to unistall before upgrading webos Nov 01 23:54:10 <dBsooner> entity-: run EPR immediately before or after updating Nov 01 23:55:48 <dBsooner> egaudet: you wrote that *_extra for no quick launcher yet? Nov 01 23:55:53 <dBsooner> you said no later than today.. :D Nov 01 23:56:12 <dBsooner> and then I check my email Nov 01 23:56:53 * egaudet runs Nov 01 23:57:13 <dBsooner> that is what the email was, no? Nov 01 23:57:13 <egaudet> dBsooner, I'll do it as soon as I'm finished with this promise Nov 01 23:57:20 <egaudet> what email? Nov 01 23:57:21 <dBsooner> so what was the email? Nov 01 23:57:27 <dBsooner> "postinst,preinst" Nov 01 23:57:31 <dBsooner> or were those old? Nov 01 23:57:37 <egaudet> ? Nov 01 23:57:41 <egaudet> I didn't send you any emails recently Nov 01 23:57:49 <dBsooner> disregard Nov 01 23:57:53 <dBsooner> those were way old Nov 01 23:58:06 <dBsooner> OK.. so .. "Finished with this" could mean a lot of things. Nov 02 00:10:09 <ni|> threaded mail is my primary concern Nov 02 00:10:12 <ni|> and then libertas Nov 02 00:10:52 <kesne_pre> Is wIRC supposed to be able to send /msg things? Nov 02 00:11:04 <ni|> kesne_pre: yes Nov 02 00:11:16 <oil> the most recent version Nov 02 00:11:18 <ni|> its just a library call Nov 02 00:11:22 <oil> already does Nov 02 00:12:56 <barneyboy> hey guys? Nov 02 00:13:30 <barneyboy> any news on german pre and Aus carriers yet? Nov 02 00:15:51 <kesne_pre> Well my version doesnt Nov 02 00:19:05 <dBsooner> kesne_pre: that build you have is from like yesterday Nov 02 00:19:11 <dBsooner> oil added a ton last night Nov 02 00:19:28 <dBsooner> why don't you clone the repo and do build-package Nov 02 00:19:33 <dBsooner> ;) Nov 02 00:21:39 <entity-> ya dawg Nov 02 00:29:26 <ni|> wow you can do some tricks to get nice behaviour Nov 02 00:29:33 <ni|> in mail app Nov 02 00:29:33 <dBsooner> oil: did you copy that conversation between rwhitby and I that indirectly included you? Nov 02 00:29:43 <ni|> it would be so damned handy to have this phone and be able to change the app on the fly Nov 02 00:29:54 <ni|> via vim and a terminal Nov 02 00:37:40 <PuffTheMagic> :D Nov 02 00:37:45 <PuffTheMagic> ni|: hows threading comming? Nov 02 00:39:35 <lenux> having any isuues seeing what ppl write if you have 2 servers going at once ? i can see what i write but not others in the 2nd server / room Nov 02 00:40:47 <lenux> 1 server and room works fine tho..:) Nov 02 00:41:41 <PuffTheMagic> lenux: wiRC? Nov 02 00:41:54 <lenux> yea Nov 02 00:43:20 <PuffTheMagic> lenux: put it on the wiki... Nov 02 00:43:56 <lenux> connected to 2 servers 2 rooms and post to both but other room could only see what i wrote Nov 02 00:44:00 <lenux> link? Nov 02 00:44:20 <lenux> in one room Nov 02 00:45:23 <PuffTheMagic> lenux: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:WIRC Nov 02 00:45:23 <lenux> wiki link? Nov 02 00:45:28 <lenux> thanks Nov 02 00:45:30 <PuffTheMagic> lenux: we also have #wirc Nov 02 00:45:54 <lenux> ok i dl the link you posted earlier Nov 02 00:46:02 <lenux> it works Nov 02 00:46:04 <lenux> :) Nov 02 00:47:46 <PuffTheMagic> what link? Nov 02 00:47:46 <ni|> PuffTheMagic: fine Nov 02 00:47:52 <ni|> PuffTheMagic: i'm working on a compiler right now Nov 02 00:48:11 <PuffTheMagic> u need that for threaded mail or are you just taking a break Nov 02 00:48:37 <ni|> lol Nov 02 00:48:47 <ni|> writing the compiler is for school Nov 02 00:49:00 <ni|> holy god if i had to write a compiler to do the threading Nov 02 00:55:40 <lenux> the preyourmind link Nov 02 01:00:40 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ping Nov 02 01:19:14 <rwhitby> dBsooner: important? Nov 02 01:20:10 <Deci-pre> Heyooooo Nov 02 01:20:56 <Decimation> Deci-pre: why hello :D Nov 02 01:21:02 <Decimation> howdy :P Nov 02 01:21:44 <dBsooner> rwhitby: Not really. Just wanting to know if you would be available for a 9pm central (1230pm your time?) meeting one day with Jason, AnAoutsider, Eric and myself. Nov 02 01:23:15 <rwhitby> dBsooner: sure, any day except monday any week or tuesday this week. Nov 02 01:31:36 <dBsooner> rwhitby: cool deal. Nov 02 01:31:43 <dBsooner> rwhitby: it is monday already for you. ;) Nov 02 01:32:12 <rwhitby> it's monday PM here Nov 02 01:33:24 <dBsooner> already? Nov 02 01:33:38 <dBsooner> 12:03pm? Nov 02 01:34:02 <xorg> 7:33pm in KC Nov 02 01:34:27 <xorg> 66F with a nearly empty bottle of wine Nov 02 01:34:33 <rick_home> it's very annoying when a program you're trying to debug stops working and you go back to a restore point and it doesn't help. Nov 02 01:34:35 <rick_home> I hate that . Nov 02 01:37:10 <xorg> i am the summation of the interpretation of my experiences Nov 02 01:37:38 <rwhitby> and the expression of your genetics Nov 02 01:38:54 <xorg> i took a gene test... it nailed me slovak descent back to africa. Nov 02 01:39:12 <oil> at least you didn't fail the test Nov 02 01:39:28 <xorg> well, the test didn't fail me anyroad Nov 02 01:40:43 <xorg> Home is not where you live, but where they understand you. Nov 02 01:42:42 <xorg> bogus explanations often come from those who are insecure of being uncertain Nov 02 01:43:05 <xorg> vino = +1 Nov 02 01:43:21 <xorg> vino++ Nov 02 01:44:06 <egaudet-wirc> I am uncertain of being insecure Nov 02 01:46:18 <Deci-pre> :o, just now figured out wirc lets you view a list of people in the channel Nov 02 01:52:13 <egaudet> rwhitby, ping Nov 02 01:55:48 <rwhitby> egaudet: syn|ack Nov 02 01:56:44 <egaudet> regarding ipkgservice putting correct patch feed in Nov 02 01:56:54 <lingfish> IPv4 phail :P Nov 02 01:57:19 <egaudet> am I correct that the ipkgservice install is what checks the webos version? Nov 02 01:57:20 <dBsooner> oil: is 2 line titles just editing a couple css entries and then the code for how much of the title to truncate? Nov 02 01:57:50 <egaudet> so after a webos OTA update will the wrong feed be installed Nov 02 01:57:59 <egaudet> and require a reinstall of package service? Or Nov 02 02:00:56 <rwhitby> egaudet: both install and upstart control script fix the webos version Nov 02 02:01:13 <rwhitby> so it fixes it on install and each boot and each java service restart. Nov 02 02:02:16 <egaudet> ahh ok cool Nov 02 02:05:05 <dBsooner> rwhitby: was there ever a 1.2.1 SDK released? Nov 02 02:05:26 <rwhitby> dBsooner: there were a couple of versions of 1.2.0 Nov 02 02:05:43 <dBsooner> is the latest avail from the developer.palm.com site considered 1.2.1? Nov 02 02:05:53 <dBsooner> even though its labelled as 1.2.0? Nov 02 02:06:04 <rwhitby> it's as close as anyone has, and no-one has reported any differences Nov 02 02:06:12 <dBsooner> mmk Nov 02 02:06:22 <dBsooner> Now to get it working in 64 bit.. :( Nov 02 02:06:27 <rwhitby> I treat it as 1.2.1 personally. Nov 02 02:07:03 <dBsooner> I still haven't gotten a reply from Chuq. But I honestly don't expect one untill at least end of the week. Nov 02 02:12:26 <dBsooner> My bro leaves for Afghanistan in 36 hours.. :( Nov 02 02:13:12 <Decimate> :O Nov 02 02:13:30 <Decimate> WiSh HiM LuCk DeCiBeL Nov 02 02:13:32 <Decimate> ;) Nov 02 02:14:07 <dBsooner> ThAnKs DeCiMaTe.. I sUrE wIlL Nov 02 02:26:30 <dBsooner> oil? Nov 02 02:28:27 <oil> ? Nov 02 02:29:43 <dBsooner> you get my message a bit ago? Nov 02 02:30:01 <dBsooner> is the multiline title as simple as changing a couple css settings and then the function to truncate the title to a certain lenght/ Nov 02 02:30:41 <oil> i didnt Nov 02 02:30:44 * oil is working on wirc Nov 02 02:30:50 <dBsooner> ahh Nov 02 02:31:00 <oil> ill get back to preware at some point Nov 02 02:31:04 <dBsooner> lol Nov 02 02:31:05 <dBsooner> k Nov 02 02:31:07 <oil> to finish it up for th enext release Nov 02 02:31:27 <dBsooner> Can that be one of the "to-do"'s? Nov 02 02:31:42 <oil> i dont see why not Nov 02 02:31:50 <oil> though you shouldn't no category:name Nov 02 02:32:11 <dBsooner> I'm not Nov 02 02:32:16 <oil> good Nov 02 02:32:20 <dBsooner> Just going to make titles more descriptive Nov 02 02:32:30 <oil> title is not description Nov 02 02:32:32 <dBsooner> 23 characters is a little hard to get Nov 02 02:32:34 <dBsooner> I know Nov 02 02:32:46 <dBsooner> but Enable Dialpad Haptic Feedback Nov 02 02:32:51 <dBsooner> that's too long Nov 02 02:33:13 <dBsooner> Swap Reply-to-All with Move-To-Folder Nov 02 02:33:24 <dBsooner> Try getting those to fit **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 02 02:59:56 2009