**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 02 02:59:56 2009 Nov 02 03:22:04 PuffTheMagic: you still up Nov 02 03:22:08 did you need me for something? Nov 02 03:22:10 yeah Nov 02 03:22:13 nope Nov 02 03:22:16 oh ok Nov 02 03:24:52 school is so annoying sometimes Nov 02 03:24:58 when we have to use these design patterns Nov 02 03:25:02 i mean in this case it actually applies Nov 02 03:27:36 ni|: actually yeah i have a question Nov 02 03:27:48 quick sed to insert something at the beginning of each line Nov 02 03:27:57 nm Nov 02 03:27:59 i know what i want to do Nov 02 03:33:49 Wirc is nicee Nov 02 03:40:09 egaudet: ping Nov 02 03:40:22 dBsooner, pong Nov 02 03:40:27 egaudet: fixed novacom Nov 02 03:40:52 egaudet: in ubuntu karmic Nov 02 03:41:04 you want? Nov 02 03:41:14 yea Nov 02 03:41:14 :D Nov 02 03:41:22 what was wrong with it Nov 02 03:41:27 upstart script Nov 02 03:41:34 yea what about it Nov 02 03:41:40 /etc/event.d/ isn't valid for karmic Nov 02 03:41:44 have to use an init.d script Nov 02 03:41:48 what Nov 02 03:41:50 so i installed an older svn package Nov 02 03:41:54 how is event.d not valid Nov 02 03:41:58 dunno Nov 02 03:42:06 if you ls /etc/event.d/ you'll notice its all you got Nov 02 03:42:16 and something they are doing in there is no good Nov 02 03:42:35 so I just installed a slightly older svn .deb package (modified to work with Karmic) and all is well Nov 02 03:42:40 I was getting this: stop: Unknown job: palm-novacomd Nov 02 03:42:49 http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910#/etc/event.d%20no%20longer%20used Nov 02 03:42:51 when I tried to start novacom with palm's version Nov 02 03:42:56 lol Nov 02 03:42:58 see Nov 02 03:43:03 event.d no longer used Nov 02 03:43:04 ;) Nov 02 03:43:23 wget http://www.codemonkies.net/linux/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/palm-novacom_0.3-svn177284-hud9_debian_i3861.deb Nov 02 03:43:35 that will work fer ya Nov 02 03:43:45 I promise Nov 02 03:43:50 as I am staring at my emulator now Nov 02 03:43:59 * dBsooner tries to install the service.. Nov 02 03:44:12 oye Nov 02 03:44:18 gotta gain shell first Nov 02 03:44:54 wIRC has nick highlighting now ;) Nov 02 03:45:14 PuffTheMagic: can you add "extra words" to key off? Nov 02 03:45:24 like I like to highlight "dBsooner" and "dBsooner-work" Nov 02 03:45:39 yeah probablyt Nov 02 03:45:42 just throwin that out there Nov 02 03:45:47 dBsooner: add it to the todo list on the wiki please Nov 02 03:46:00 pfft Nov 02 03:46:17 dBsooner, ok cool so i put it in /etc/init/ Nov 02 03:46:28 and fixed the start on runlevel to do [2345] on one line Nov 02 03:46:32 add stop on runlevel [!2345] Nov 02 03:46:34 and works Nov 02 03:46:34 thanks Nov 02 03:46:37 lol Nov 02 03:46:40 no problem Nov 02 03:46:59 PuffTheMagic: link? Nov 02 03:47:11 found it Nov 02 03:47:14 disregard Nov 02 03:47:15 its in #wirc topic Nov 02 04:42:15 rwhitby: You know which type of net adapter I add in VBox to be able to ssh into the emu? Nov 02 04:43:21 dBsooner: host-only vboxnet0 192.168.56.x Nov 02 04:46:10 * dBsooner is still tryin not to get emotional Nov 02 04:46:13 oil: I can't use preware anymore Nov 02 04:46:18 * kesne waves goodbye Nov 02 04:46:34 hey all, is there a known issue with the new package manager and the emulator with patches? Nov 02 04:47:04 oye.. I bet there is Nov 02 04:47:09 since I updated, I cannot install or uninstall patches, havent tried apps Nov 02 04:47:13 rwhitby: you didn't take the emulator into account Nov 02 04:47:19 emulator will report as 1.2.0 Nov 02 04:47:23 for which we have no feed Nov 02 04:47:32 ah... well that's why then Nov 02 04:47:46 elryon: I am not 100% there.. let rwhitby answer Nov 02 04:48:04 kesne: why can't you use preware? Nov 02 04:48:28 The Package Manger Service has that fair dankum crap in it Nov 02 04:48:37 Which makes ALL app installs stop working Nov 02 04:48:39 dinkum Nov 02 04:48:45 right Nov 02 04:48:49 does it really? Nov 02 04:48:53 For me, yes Nov 02 04:49:11 I'll just stick to WOQI Nov 02 04:49:41 kesne: output of "df /var" please Nov 02 04:49:50 uh Nov 02 04:49:54 no idea what you mean Nov 02 04:50:08 kesne: get a command line, and type "df /var" Nov 02 04:50:38 rwhitby: did you copy the other issue too? With the emulator probably reporting 1.2.0 for the version, breaking the patch feed.. Nov 02 04:50:46 What element of that do you want? Nov 02 04:50:55 kesne: the output Nov 02 04:51:04 elryon: "cat /var/etc/ipkg/webos-patches.conf" Nov 02 04:51:17 elryon: good catch, work-around is to edit /var/etc/ipkg/webos-patches.conf Nov 02 04:51:36 Well it outputs /dev/mapper/store-var 253920 166488 87432 66% /var Nov 02 04:51:54 see.. thats your problem kesne Nov 02 04:51:58 you have to have 100MB free Nov 02 04:52:07 kesne: your free space on /var is less than 100MiB. App catalog refuses to install when that is the case, irrespective of Package Manager Service Nov 02 04:52:32 irrespective = regardless Nov 02 04:52:32 Ugh Nov 02 04:52:34 :D Nov 02 04:52:39 Well it also didn't work anymore Nov 02 04:52:43 kesne: feel free to apologise at any time for the "crap" comment ... Nov 02 04:52:43 kesne: in othe rwords.. a Palm problem. Nov 02 04:52:48 So goodbye nevertheless Nov 02 04:52:52 :P Nov 02 04:53:13 It would always "never be running" Nov 02 04:53:13 kesne: um, how are you going to install App Catalog stuff using WOSQI? Nov 02 04:53:26 rwhitby: uh Nov 02 04:53:30 I don't? Nov 02 04:53:33 ... Nov 02 04:54:02 kesne: with less than 100MiB free in /var, app catalog won't install stuff irrespective of whether Preware and Package Manager Service are installed or not. Nov 02 04:54:12 Yeah Nov 02 04:54:18 so I won't install anything else? Nov 02 04:54:28 Or I'll delete some apps? Nov 02 04:54:33 So, please cut off your nose to spite your face ... Nov 02 04:54:47 :P Nov 02 04:54:55 PreWare never worked well on my pre Nov 02 04:54:55 any time is fine for that apology .... Nov 02 04:55:03 Your not getting one Nov 02 04:55:14 Preware always had glitches on my pre that noone else had Nov 02 04:55:25 kesne: that says something then, doesn't it ... Nov 02 04:55:30 s/noone/little amount of people Nov 02 04:55:38 hehe Nov 02 04:56:11 It's just that Nov 02 04:56:14 I don't know Nov 02 04:56:21 I prefer not using it Nov 02 04:56:25 kesne: anyway, you're right that the fair dinkum stuff is crap. but it's the only crap in town at the moment. Nov 02 04:56:46 I'll take Palm's crap until 1.3.2 Nov 02 04:56:54 what good is a mobile device that needs a PC :P Nov 02 04:57:11 When you always have a PC, what good is a mobile device? Nov 02 04:57:17 kesne: seriously, please remove preware and package manager service, reboot, and try the app catalog .. Nov 02 04:57:34 you have a PC everywhere you go? You lug around a laptop Nov 02 04:57:57 kesne: what's the output of "du -s /var/usr/palm/applications" ? Nov 02 04:57:59 rwhitby: okay, I will Nov 02 04:58:30 55352 Nov 02 04:58:43 egaudet: I actually do 80% of the time Nov 02 04:58:47 kesne: and what version of package manager service are you testing with? Nov 02 04:59:04 I just uninstalled it Nov 02 04:59:06 So Nov 02 04:59:08 None? Nov 02 04:59:38 kesne: between 0.9.12 and 0.9.14 you would have had a problem with 55M used and 88M free. With 0.9.15 you will not. Nov 02 04:59:59 let me go uninstall and reinstall both of those Nov 02 05:00:01 Reboot Nov 02 05:00:03 Reinstall Nov 02 05:00:11 and I'll tell you the results Nov 02 05:00:11 okay? Nov 02 05:00:43 kesne: if you have a problem with 0.9.15 and 55MiB used and 88MiB free, then I'd like to know about it, cause it will be a new undiscovered corner case ... Nov 02 05:01:06 Uninstalling... Nov 02 05:01:12 rwhitby: will do Nov 02 05:01:54 kesne: that will be the useful way to approach the situation, as opposed to where I thought you were going with your earlier comments. Nov 02 05:02:13 Ah Nov 02 05:02:31 all uninstalled Nov 02 05:02:34 rebooting now Nov 02 05:03:03 since you have less than 64MiB of apps installed, the second 100MiB free limit doesn't come into effect. Nov 02 05:03:25 dont want to but in here, but I edited the conf and all is well in the emulator world. Nov 02 05:03:42 kesne: so you should have no problem installing app catalog apps regardless of whether preware is installed or not. Nov 02 05:03:59 elryon: ok, the problem is that your edits will be overwritten on each boot. Nov 02 05:04:18 elryon: so the work-around for that is to rename that file to webos-patches-1.2.1.conf Nov 02 05:04:35 elryon: and remember to remove it when we fix the problem. Nov 02 05:05:52 rwhitby: finished rebooting Nov 02 05:06:15 kesne: what do you use to install Preware? Nov 02 05:06:23 WOQI Nov 02 05:06:30 2.82 ? Nov 02 05:06:50 yes Nov 02 05:07:08 Is that okay? Nov 02 05:07:18 yep Nov 02 05:08:53 so installing now Nov 02 05:09:10 0.9.16 of PMS Nov 02 05:09:19 0.9.5 of PW Nov 02 05:09:44 Okay all done now Nov 02 05:11:42 rwhitby: should I reboot? Nov 02 05:12:17 kesne: no need. just wait until your cellular connection is restored and the network is up Nov 02 05:12:24 Okay Nov 02 05:12:26 It is so Nov 02 05:13:29 ok, try installing from app catalog Nov 02 05:13:51 Any app in peticular? Nov 02 05:13:52 Heh Nov 02 05:14:27 we all know you're going to install your app Nov 02 05:14:28 I hear Blocked is the better than that Checkers game, so try Blocked ... ;-) Nov 02 05:14:31 AP Mobile says "Sorry, Not Enough memory" Nov 02 05:14:32 lol Nov 02 05:14:46 kesne: excellent. now we can debug it. Nov 02 05:15:00 kesne: can you open the WOSQI Linux commandline window please Nov 02 05:15:06 sure thing Nov 02 05:15:30 Bam Nov 02 05:16:12 kesne: run "dbus-util --capture com.palm.appinstaller" and then try again to install something. after that, unplug the pre and the output of the command will appear in the window. Nov 02 05:17:00 uh Nov 02 05:17:08 I don't think anything happened Nov 02 05:17:22 Time Prot Type Serial Length Sender Destination Method Payload Nov 02 05:17:22 (matching bus containing 'com.palm.appinstaller') Nov 02 05:18:00 * kesne slaps self Nov 02 05:18:02 Hold on Nov 02 05:18:25 * kesne slaps self again Nov 02 05:19:05 kesne: you won't get the rest of the output until you try to install something, and then unplug the Pre Nov 02 05:19:08 (from USB) Nov 02 05:20:35 Time Prot Type Serial Length Sender Destination Method Payload Nov 02 05:20:35 (matching bus containing 'com.palm.appinstaller') Nov 02 05:20:35 1028.421 PRV call 477 com.palm.luna com.palm.appinstaller //queryInstallCapacity «string=“{"appId": "com.apnews.webos", "size": 391.958984375}”, string=“com.palm.app.findapps 1024”» Nov 02 05:20:35 1028.610 PRV return 477 0.188 com.palm.appinstaller com.palm.luna «string=“{ "returnValue":true , "result":2 }”» Nov 02 05:22:14 kesne: ok, that "2" means that the app catalog thinks there is not enough free space in /var Nov 02 05:22:36 kesne: what the output of "df /var" and "du -s /var/usr/palm/applications" now? Nov 02 05:23:11 Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on Nov 02 05:23:11 /dev/mapper/store-var Nov 02 05:23:11 253920 166688 87232 66% /var Nov 02 05:23:26 and 55536 Nov 02 05:24:50 kesne: what's the output of "grep ipkgservice /usr/local/bin/ipkg" ? Nov 02 05:25:25 one sec Nov 02 05:25:33 I need to fix my damn slider Nov 02 05:25:38 Just went into a reboot Nov 02 05:26:54 rwhitby: grep: /usr/local/bin/ipk: No such file or directory Nov 02 05:27:42 kesne: ipkg, not ipk Nov 02 05:27:58 oops! Nov 02 05:28:12 echo "org.webosinternals.ipkgservice - 1.0.0 - Package Manager Service" Nov 02 05:28:22 kesne: ok, good. Nov 02 05:28:30 1.0.0? Nov 02 05:28:33 kesne: what's the output of "which ipkg" ? Nov 02 05:28:39 dBsooner: dummy value Nov 02 05:28:46 ahh Nov 02 05:28:56 /usr/local/bin/ipkg Nov 02 05:29:00 I was like "Whoa nelly! Gimme!" Nov 02 05:29:16 dBsooner: the idea is to give app catalog a package that exists, so it can check the size and be less than 64MiB. Nov 02 05:29:38 rwhitby: ahhh.. Smart idear Nov 02 05:29:45 kesne: ok, now could you please uninstall preware and package manager service, reboot, and then re-run the dbus-util command and capture the output? Nov 02 05:31:08 kesne: I need to go to a 4pm meeting - will be back later and will catch you if you are still here. You seem to have found a new situation, and we'd like to debug it. Nov 02 05:31:30 rwhitby: when will you be back? Nov 02 05:32:35 kesne: in 30 mins for 15 mins, then 1 hour later. Nov 02 05:32:41 * rwhitby bbl Nov 02 05:33:02 okay Nov 02 05:40:06 rwhitby: Time Prot Type Serial Length Sender Destination Method Payload Nov 02 05:40:06 (matching bus containing 'com.palm.appinstaller') Nov 02 05:40:06 367.372 PRV call 232 com.palm.luna com.palm.appinstaller //queryInstallCapacity «string=“{"appId": "com.apnews.webos", "size": 391.958984375}”, string=“com.palm.app.findapps 1014”» Nov 02 05:40:06 372.991 PRV return 232 5.619 com.palm.appinstaller com.palm.luna «string=“{ "returnValue":true , "result":0 }”» Nov 02 05:40:09 382.668 PRV call 247 com.palm.luna com.palm.appinstaller //install «string=“{"target": "/media/internal/downloads/com.apnews.webos_0.9.21_all.ipk", "subscribe": true}”, string=“com.palm.app.findapps 1014”» Nov 02 05:40:15 382.685 PRV call 22 com.palm.appinstaller org.freedesktop.DBus /org/freedesktop/DBus/NameHasOwner «string=“:1.96”» Nov 02 05:40:18 382.685 PRV return 247 0.017 com.palm.appinstaller com.palm.luna «string=“{ "returnValue": true, "subscribed": true, "ticket": "1" }”» Nov 02 05:40:21 382.685 PRV return 247 com.palm.appinstaller com.palm.luna «string=“{ "ticket":1 , "status":"CREATE_TMP" }”» Nov 02 05:40:24 385.467 PRV call 262 com.palm.luna com.palm.appinstaller /com/palm/luna/private/cancel «string=“{"token":232}”» Nov 02 05:40:27 388.022 PRV return 247 com.palm.appinstaller com.palm.luna «string=“{ "ticket":1 , "status":"VERIFYING" }”» Nov 02 05:40:30 390.827 PRV return 247 com.palm.appinstaller com.palm.luna «string=“{ "ticket":1 , "status":"IPKG_INSTALL" }”» Nov 02 05:40:34 392.312 PRV return 247 com.palm.appinstaller com.palm.luna «string=“{ "ticket":1 , "status":"SUCCESS" }”» Nov 02 05:40:36 395.718 PRV return 13 com.palm.appinstaller com.palm.pubsubservice «string=“{ "appId":"com.apnews.webos" , "version":"0.9.21" , "statusChange":"INSTALLED" }”» Nov 02 05:40:40 395.723 PRV return 7 com.palm.appinstaller com.palm.accounts «string=“{ "appId":"com.apnews.webos" , "version":"0.9.21" , "statusChange":"INSTALLED" }”» Nov 02 05:40:42 395.744 PRV return 21 com.palm.appinstaller com.palm.accountservices «string=“{ "appId":"com.apnews.webos" , "version":"0.9.21" , "statusChan Nov 02 05:40:47 And it installed Nov 02 05:46:19 kesne: very interesting. was it the same app you tried to install in both cases? Nov 02 05:46:37 Yep Nov 02 05:46:55 kesne: ps -ef | grep LunaSysMgr Nov 02 05:47:26 kesne: oh, sorry, need you to reinstall Preware now. Nov 02 05:47:45 So reinstall preware and PMS then run that command? Nov 02 05:48:03 kesne: yes Nov 02 05:49:02 Installing Nov 02 05:49:17 done Nov 02 05:50:24 rwhitby: root 1244 1 10 21:31 ? 00:01:57 /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr Nov 02 05:50:24 root 3067 3060 0 21:50 ? 00:00:00 grep LunaSysMgr Nov 02 05:51:13 Oh Nov 02 05:51:19 And I can't install any apps Nov 02 05:51:23 kesne: strace -p 1244 -F -f -s 1024 2>&1 | grep du Nov 02 05:51:30 then try to install Nov 02 05:51:47 kesne: and use webos.pastebin.com to give the output back to us Nov 02 05:52:07 patstebin doesnt like me Nov 02 05:52:08 or rather Nov 02 05:52:15 my computer filter doesnt like pastebin Nov 02 05:52:24 kesne: use pastebin.ca then Nov 02 05:52:37 * lingfish gets to work on that patch.... Nov 02 05:53:35 rwhitby: do i need to unplug to get the output? Nov 02 05:53:45 kesne: probably Nov 02 05:54:44 http://pastebin.ca/1652623 Nov 02 05:55:47 kesne: try it again, but start the strace just before installing the app, after app catalog has already started - we missed the bit at the end of interest Nov 02 05:56:22 So Nov 02 05:56:28 Run it Nov 02 05:56:30 Tap download Nov 02 05:56:33 And then wait? Nov 02 05:58:29 Ugh Nov 02 05:58:37 now it isnt working Nov 02 05:58:38 at all Nov 02 06:03:04 kesne: you may need to reboot after each strace command Nov 02 06:03:11 :O Nov 02 06:03:20 * kesne grumbles Nov 02 06:03:50 I think my pre is fried Nov 02 06:04:44 I can't ping it over wifi.. well I can.. but it only responds about 5% of the time.. if that.. and its like a 2 second delay in the packet Nov 02 06:06:54 * egaudet goes to bed Nov 02 06:07:32 now that's wierd Nov 02 06:07:52 if I open a terminal and "ping 192.168.1.100" from the pre to another machine.. Nov 02 06:08:03 all of a sudden I can ping back Nov 02 06:08:06 to the pre Nov 02 06:09:06 but as soon as I "ctrl+c" it on the pre.. all of a sudden the pings from the desktop to the pre stop responding Nov 02 06:11:14 I'm going offline Nov 02 06:11:17 night everyone Nov 02 06:11:23 later Nov 02 06:12:30 * kesne_zzz sleeps Nov 02 06:14:48 rwhitby: any idea? Nov 02 06:21:01 disregard.. rebooted router Nov 02 06:22:06 lol Nov 02 06:22:11 good ol reboot Nov 02 06:23:11 but it was odd Nov 02 06:23:22 laptop to desktop/desktop to laptop pinged both ways just fine Nov 02 06:23:28 but either to pre, nope Nov 02 06:25:41 ARP? Nov 02 06:25:54 Usually is with that weirdness, heh. Nov 02 06:28:44 dBsooner: you have PRIMSGage. Nov 02 06:28:48 :) Nov 02 06:31:23 ? Nov 02 06:54:28 oil: ping Nov 02 06:54:57 freakout: hes busy ;) Nov 02 06:55:16 PuffTheMagic: what are you, his answering service? :p Nov 02 06:55:26 wIRC ain't workin'. I blame him. Nov 02 06:55:30 i just gave him an assignment Nov 02 06:55:40 wirc works fine Nov 02 06:55:44 lol Nov 02 06:55:49 freakout: put comments on wiki Nov 02 06:55:50 i knew that'd bring you out Nov 02 06:56:01 if its broken, its someone elses code Nov 02 06:56:02 xD Nov 02 06:56:09 we are not taking direct bug report atm Nov 02 06:56:24 ipks are only out as a priv Nov 02 06:57:21 PuffTheMagic: good, because I'm too lazy to give bug reports Nov 02 06:57:44 PuffTheMagic: and my ipk's aren't a privelige, I'm entitled to them Nov 02 06:57:51 PuffTheMagic: because I do... things.... for oil Nov 02 06:58:01 scary things Nov 02 06:58:05 that have no place on a family chan like this one Nov 02 06:59:14 And I don't need you anymore anyway PuffTheMagic. Nov 02 07:11:15 folks Nov 02 07:22:17 rwhitby: what was that preware bug you were working on with kesne? Nov 02 07:22:22 aww Nov 02 07:25:43 welcome back Nov 02 07:26:04 ty Nov 02 07:26:15 what was that problem you were working on with kesne? Nov 02 07:28:45 oil: seems that app catalog is refusing to install for him even though app size is less than 64MiB. I had previously thought (and confirmed with other users) that if you had less than 64MiB installed, then the free space check didn't happen. Nov 02 07:30:03 ah Nov 02 07:30:16 im kind of shocked they still haven't fixed it in that 1.3 emu Nov 02 07:35:51 rwhitby: are we sure the patch we were discussing even works? Nov 02 07:36:58 While we're all in \"bug rwhitby\" mode... Nov 02 07:37:12 ... or anyone for that matter Nov 02 07:37:20 rwhitby: has the tracking for your Pre come good yet? Nov 02 07:37:55 freakout_wIRC: dunno Nov 02 07:38:14 lol Nov 02 07:38:30 * freakout_wIRC forgets rwhitby already has one and is probably not quite as anxious as himself. Nov 02 07:38:46 You're not alone Tim! Nov 02 07:39:02 * freakout_wIRC hugs lingfish in solidarity Nov 02 07:39:14 Mmm, dinnertime. Nov 02 07:39:15 freakout have you gotten your pre yet? Nov 02 07:39:23 Nope. Nov 02 07:39:28 wow Nov 02 07:39:34 Mmm hmm. Nov 02 07:39:41 I'm beyond mad now. Just sad and lonely Nov 02 07:40:03 Been 12 days, dammit. Oh Pre, where art thou? Nov 02 07:40:45 that sucks Nov 02 07:40:48 Gonna get DHL to start an investigation. Make them tell me *exactly* where it's at. Nov 02 07:40:50 Yep. Nov 02 07:40:57 Seriously man, I'd be getting shitass angry at DHL or Auspost Nov 02 07:41:14 ehhh, it's *somewhere* out there. Nov 02 07:41:23 lol Nov 02 07:43:44 oil: have you tried the closing slider to end calls patch? Nov 02 07:43:50 no Nov 02 07:43:52 i dont want it Nov 02 07:43:53 xD Nov 02 07:44:00 hrm. k Nov 02 07:45:46 It's really quite hard to test when you don't have a physical f'ing slider. Nov 02 07:45:58 Someone, buy me a GSM Pre right now! Nov 02 07:46:01 STAT! Nov 02 07:46:52 lol Nov 02 07:47:38 get in line, mate Nov 02 07:49:29 Damnit, I thought that'd work :( Nov 02 07:58:46 didn't realize how often you disconnect and reconnect without your relay thing Nov 02 07:59:22 oil: just configuring it. should be done now. Nov 02 07:59:46 it should go to rwhitby-away when I disconnect now Nov 02 08:00:00 lol Nov 02 08:15:59 ok, that should be stable now. Nov 02 08:18:07 lol Nov 02 08:18:08 joy Nov 02 08:18:13 That was getting annoying ;) Nov 02 08:18:26 atleast people testing wirc moved on Nov 02 08:18:30 or there would have been a lot more of it Nov 02 08:18:30 lol Nov 02 08:18:38 hahahaa Nov 02 08:18:43 OIL ITS NOT WORKING Nov 02 08:18:55 oil mah interwebz is down Nov 02 08:20:22 someone clogged the tube? Nov 02 08:20:50 WIRC TOOK IT DOWNZ Nov 02 08:21:05 well, that happens Nov 02 08:21:10 oil: I had to set up a backup bouncer, and then turn it off (can't have two connected at the same time) Nov 02 08:21:19 lol Nov 02 08:21:36 (well, you can, but then you get two users in the channel) Nov 02 10:43:28 hello Nov 02 10:43:48 any information regarding gsm pre in Israel? Nov 02 10:56:35 I'm trying to install music remix via preware on an o2 pre but i get an error Nov 02 10:57:19 "wget: content 393 is garbage" Nov 02 10:57:32 does this mean music remix is incompatible? Nov 02 10:58:39 good morning. Does it work with the other one, the FileCoaster - ? Nov 02 10:59:52 haven't tried, will do so now Nov 02 11:01:29 i get the same error trying to install filecoaster thru preware, will try through webosQI Nov 02 11:04:24 imarock: use wifi instead of gsm Nov 02 11:04:43 gsm network downloads are broken for some reason Nov 02 11:05:12 well the only wifi around here are at the lecture theatres - suppose i'll have to go to lectures today then :p Nov 02 11:06:15 * rwhitby finds luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.crotest/Proximity '{"command":"on"}' and luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.crotest/Proximity '{"command":"getdata"}' Nov 02 11:06:58 we can use that in the next generation goodbye slider patch Nov 02 11:16:23 rod: cool... is the data only binary or do you think some estimate of distance Nov 02 11:18:09 FreeTim3: "Un-Detection" or "Detection" Nov 02 11:22:22 ah... then my visions of creating a musical instrument out of it, based on how far above my hand is hovering, reverts back to science fiction for now :) Nov 02 11:28:53 * rwhitby finds luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.hidd/HidProximity/State '{"mode":"get"}' and luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.hidd/HidProximity/State '{"mode":"set","value":"on"}' too Nov 02 11:39:13 doing luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.hidd/HidProximity/State '{"mode":"set","value":"on"}' allows you to get events from /dev/input/proximity0 (seems to be timestamp and state) Nov 02 11:40:47 and when the proximity sensor is on, it can wake the screen Nov 02 11:41:17 "wave your hand over the Pre when on the charger at night-time to snooze the alarm ..." Nov 02 11:49:09 heh. That'd be cool Nov 02 11:55:21 1.2.1 source code is up at opensource.palm.com Nov 02 12:04:45 * rwhitby just realised that since push to talk is not in Australia, he might have a spare button on the phone for other nefarious purposes ... Nov 02 12:05:22 push to talk seems like a feature that's kinda useless and kinda expensive.. Nov 02 12:08:21 # CONFIG_GPIO_KEYS_CONSOLE_TRIGGER is not set Nov 02 12:13:43 usbmux=uart3 on the linux command line does something ... Nov 02 12:14:53 printk("USBMUX: Using UART3 over USB for serial console.\n"); Nov 02 12:18:05 looks like if CONFIG_GPIO_KEYS_CONSOLE_TRIGGER is set, then pressing the home key does something Nov 02 12:18:16 probably sets usbmux=uart3 Nov 02 12:24:07 that's enough kernel patch spelunking for tonight Nov 02 12:24:09 * rwhitby bbt Nov 02 12:53:55 . Nov 02 13:25:28 preware broke my pre! :p Nov 02 13:30:47 good Nov 02 13:30:48 ;] Nov 02 13:31:31 en0x: nah it really has, it updated the package manager service and pffties Nov 02 13:31:45 a bunch of things appear to have gone awry Nov 02 13:32:17 alerts have become vibrate only, though it's set to loud.. web browsing plain won't work, it never loads the pages Nov 02 13:32:47 did u try to reboot? :P Nov 02 13:33:00 several times Nov 02 13:35:33 en0x: pretty sure I can fix it on the CLI anyway Nov 02 13:37:15 probably yes Nov 02 13:37:22 i havent woke up yet Nov 02 13:37:28 so i'm not advising Nov 02 13:37:29 ;) Nov 02 13:50:56 en0x: neither have I, and I've been at work for 6 hours Nov 02 13:56:04 i just started Nov 02 13:56:14 at 7am which is 2 hrs ago Nov 02 14:34:44 en0x: how odd, the package manager service and preware show as installed and up to date from the CLI Nov 02 14:35:03 en0x: a coupla apps complain that the package manager service is missing though Nov 02 14:39:14 Good morning ladies Nov 02 14:44:01 nt4cats: it's not that kind of chatroom! Nov 02 14:46:04 Marajin: you apparently haven't talked to rick our egaudet after they've had a few drinks ... Nov 02 14:46:45 nt4cats: heh :) Nov 02 14:47:48 nt4cats: I'm currently too tired and too annoyed that a preware update has apparently thoroughly borked Nov 02 14:48:04 nt4cats: and stupid accounts departments phoning me up at work complaining about not having been paid when they have Nov 02 14:48:15 nt4cats: + to care Nov 02 14:48:22 see, I'm too tired to speak coherently too :( Nov 02 14:49:05 what happened with preware? Nov 02 14:51:59 * nt4cats wishes he were cool enough to have an irc client on his phone Nov 02 15:24:16 PuffTheMagic: yo Nov 02 15:24:23 sup Nov 02 15:25:28 relaxing Nov 02 15:25:37 i have a music test today Nov 02 15:26:10 gl Nov 02 15:28:22 just sucks lol Nov 02 15:36:07 hmmm Nov 02 15:45:52 Quick question: Going to webOS doctor my phone. I backed up everything with rsync but I only want to restore the data (and the apps). What's the best way? Nov 02 15:46:11 I've got the dreaded continual update problem Nov 02 15:52:49 Roy, do you have ANY FILES in your root... Nov 02 15:54:08 I'm still trying to fix preware/package manager service on my pre Nov 02 15:54:17 it's well and truly stuffed itself Nov 02 15:54:52 delete it Nov 02 15:54:56 and re-install Nov 02 15:55:09 Yeah I was going to try that but got very busy at work, just got home so Nov 02 15:56:16 Rick_work: There are no extra files in root that I can tell. Nov 02 15:57:05 weird Nov 02 15:58:08 I will restore everything in var/data and the var/usr/palm/applications directory. Nov 02 15:58:16 Hopefully that will work OK Nov 02 15:58:38 good luck Nov 02 15:59:59 Don't know if it will confuse things having the apps just appear without being installed. Nov 02 16:00:23 not in my experiance Nov 02 16:02:24 wish the pre had a midi player Nov 02 16:02:40 mid files are SO MUCH SMALLER than mp3 Nov 02 16:02:45 oh well. :-( Nov 02 16:04:47 Rick_work: hmm.. to do a good one, you'd need to set up a wavetable of some kind (unless there's somehow one in hardware on the pre) Nov 02 16:05:22 A midi synthesizer could be anything Nov 02 16:05:30 destinal_work I know. I just wish they had included a little fm sound chip. :-( Nov 02 16:05:44 Hmm, that's odd. When I type novaterm in terminal it just hangs there.... weeeeeeird. Nov 02 16:05:46 you could aswell do virtual analog stuff Nov 02 16:05:47 nid files are so tiny, Sound files are so hugiferous. Nov 02 16:06:07 Roy-Pre101 did you turn dev mode on after doctoring? Nov 02 16:06:14 Haven't doctored yet. Nov 02 16:06:22 is dev mode on? Nov 02 16:06:28 yep. Nov 02 16:06:31 Could be rsync. Nov 02 16:15:17 Rick_work: hmm seems like the thing to do would be to port timidity++ or similar softsynth, then you could do one of two things. either a) have a service or plugin convert midi to pcm and use the webos API's to play the pcm file, then delete it, (which could use the webos API's) or b) have a service /plugin that takes the midi input and plays / renders it to the sound system Nov 02 16:17:00 the former would be easier to code but have a bit more overhead (preloading time and temp space) Nov 02 16:25:24 destinal_work I think I'm going to just stream the damned things. Nov 02 16:25:29 as mp3's. Nov 02 16:25:31 :-( Nov 02 16:25:48 no connectivity, game plays without music. Nov 02 16:26:07 does the pre play pcm files? Nov 02 16:26:23 nevermind that was a stupid question Nov 02 16:26:26 don't answer it Nov 02 16:33:35 It's Monday. :) Nov 02 16:35:20 * sugardave ignores Rick's request. "Yes, it plays pcm files :D" Nov 02 16:38:31 Grf. webOS Doctor won't recognize the pre as being plugged in. Nov 02 16:39:16 battery thing Nov 02 16:39:35 I plugged it in while in vmware and I think it grabbed the USB Nov 02 16:39:41 ahhh Nov 02 16:42:08 hmm, going to reboot just to be sure. Nov 02 17:42:25 is there a "please annoy me by beeping/buzzing if I have an unread SMS"? option or patch somewhere? Nov 02 17:43:05 I set my phone down, walked away, got an 'urgent' SMS (that I didn't hear), and then didn't notice it for a few hours. Nov 02 17:43:08 no patch yet, but there is a linux script that hacks that in functionality in right now I believe Nov 02 17:43:11 pager nagger Nov 02 17:43:53 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Pager_Nagger Nov 02 17:44:46 thanks egaudet Nov 02 17:48:11 can you check the state of the ringer switch (the thingie on the top of the phone that toggles ringing/vibrate) from the command-line? Nov 02 18:04:15 sgood Nov 02 18:05:41 * nt4cats just learned that poking around in the /proc/ filesystem can make you thankful that the Pre has a removable battery ... Nov 02 18:07:37 I think I'll write a book called "How to brick your Pre in 10 steps or less!" Nov 02 18:08:52 nt4cats: smash it with a hammer? Nov 02 18:08:55 one step Nov 02 18:09:14 or immerse in water Nov 02 18:09:15 that's almost as good as drowning it ... Nov 02 18:10:02 nt4cats: you can usually also reboot by holding down the top button and flicking the silence/ringer switch three or four times Nov 02 18:10:32 full toggle, on and off, three or four times Nov 02 18:11:08 that's good to know -- I'll try that next time I break my phone Nov 02 18:15:44 * nt4cats is still looking for something in /sys/devices or /proc/ that will tell me if the ringer switch is on ringer or vibrate ... also checking the source of existing patches/scripts Nov 02 18:21:51 Can any of the preware guys confirm that "ipkg -o /var remove " is the same remove method that preware uses. I just want to make sure all my originals are restored in case I run into any problems. Nov 02 18:23:23 navinag, it also runs prerm first Nov 02 18:23:29 if it exists Nov 02 18:23:47 Whar does..preware Nov 02 18:23:49 ? Nov 02 18:23:49 navinag: I am *not* a preware guy -- but I've seen them talk about this sort of thing here reasonably often, and I have seen them confirm that it uses ipkg remove Nov 02 18:24:33 the package manager service actually does Nov 02 18:24:58 I believe preware just calls the service's remove method, which runs prerm and does ipkg -o /var remove Nov 02 18:25:14 I have used the two interchangably...but I just want to make sure that if "EPR" does not work that I can use this method and all my originals will be resotred correctly Nov 02 18:25:17 navinag: (no surprise) egaudet is correct. The package manager service does all of the 'real' work for this stuff, preware is a just a nice UI for it Nov 02 18:25:17 where prerm is located /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/.prerm Nov 02 18:25:37 no Nov 02 18:25:42 Thanks Nov 02 18:25:47 EPR is the failsafe, the prerm does LESS than EPR Nov 02 18:26:29 I would just run EPR when the new update comes...and Nov 02 18:26:40 the only time EPR would not work but manually running prerm and removing would is if you manually deleted the patch control area or backup files Nov 02 18:26:48 navinag and then you are fine Nov 02 18:27:01 uninstall theme, run EPR immediately before or after update Nov 02 18:27:13 Sounds goo Nov 02 18:27:15 good Nov 02 18:27:18 Thanks Nov 02 18:27:23 note that EPR only works within autopatch technology Nov 02 18:27:30 really? Nov 02 18:27:47 and patches applied outside of autopatch technology will not be seen by EPR Nov 02 18:27:50 I thought autopatch was migrated to webos patches Nov 02 18:28:00 only the packages in webos-patches feed are "guaranteed" to use autopatch technology Nov 02 18:28:02 meaing...I dont have auto patch feed installed any more Nov 02 18:28:10 autopatch technology is the stuff ebhind the scenes Nov 02 18:28:10 ahhhhhh Nov 02 18:28:11 ok Nov 02 18:28:15 understood Nov 02 18:28:45 So any that I manually installed via WOQI should be removed manually... Nov 02 18:29:10 via WOQI or "ipkg -o /var remove" Nov 02 18:33:15 WOQI -should- be using autopatch technology Nov 02 18:34:01 It's closed source and thus I can't actually verify things, but it is my understanding that it does try to use apt Nov 02 18:34:03 APT Nov 02 18:34:06 autopatch technology Nov 02 18:34:32 I have installed a few patches that are not in any feed...>Does that mean that applying it with WOQI uses APT Nov 02 18:34:41 I am just confirming Nov 02 18:35:37 I dont have a problem removing VIA root...I just want to have my fact straight in case something goes awry...It is always bettter to know that to jack someting up because you werent sure. Nov 02 18:35:47 it SHOULD, you should be able to see them in preware (installed pacakges -> unknown) and EPR should remove them. I just can't say for sure because I haven't done any searching into the QI results Nov 02 18:35:58 but it is Jason's intentions as far as I know Nov 02 18:36:09 ok Nov 02 18:36:52 I have seen them in "unknown" under preware Nov 02 18:38:01 remember to uninstall those after they make it to webos-patches feed and use the ones from the feed if you want to be able to see updates easily for them Nov 02 18:39:25 I will mostly likely run EPR, remove my tether, then run ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep patches tp in preparation for the next update.... Nov 02 18:39:56 This way I have my basis covered... Nov 02 18:41:22 ddd Nov 02 18:41:34 How to run the .jar under Mac? Nov 02 18:43:29 diotav: what .jar? Nov 02 18:44:00 webosdoctorp100eww-wr-1.1.3.jar Nov 02 18:44:34 diotav: you want to reset your phone to its factory state?> Nov 02 18:44:57 No, I want to run the webos-doctor .jar Nov 02 18:45:11 diotav: java -jar Nov 02 18:45:22 or double click on it Nov 02 18:45:28 diotav but doing that resets the phone to it's initial state. That's what the webos-doctor does. Nov 02 18:45:28 For Mac OS X, once you've installed Java 1.6, run /Application/Utilities/Java/Java Preferences. Then click and drag Jave SE 6 to top of both list, and exit the program. This will set Java 1.6 as the default version to use. Nov 02 18:45:38 that will let you double-click on it Nov 02 18:47:08 I wasn't aware that there is a whole lot you could do with the doctor other than lay down a factory-default image on your phone (unless you're using it as a library for WOQI or the meta doctor) Nov 02 18:48:57 diotav: ... so now you know how to do what you asked -- but unless both Rick and I are incorrect the only thing you'll accomplish by running the doctor is resetting your phone to its factory state (which you just said you didn't want to do) Nov 02 18:49:49 exactly. If you run the jar, it will look for the phone, and if it is connected and ready, it will overwrite the ENTIRE CONTENTS of the phone with the factory image. Nov 02 18:49:56 If that isn't what you want, then don't do that. Nov 02 18:51:29 I followed this guide .. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Nov 02 18:51:40 ahhhhh Nov 02 18:51:49 so you're running a meta-ed doctor image. Nov 02 18:51:49 I finished step 8 .. now what? Nov 02 18:51:56 correct .. :) Nov 02 18:52:26 ok Nov 02 18:52:37 so now you want to put your meta'ed doctor image onto a phoe. Nov 02 18:52:41 phone Nov 02 18:52:44 correct Nov 02 18:52:54 and you have a pre, and it is hooked up to the USB cable? Nov 02 18:53:01 yes sir Nov 02 18:53:03 ok Nov 02 18:53:09 at the Palm Profile part Nov 02 18:53:15 turn it off -- power off the pre. Nov 02 18:53:16 I need to bypass the activation Nov 02 18:53:20 right Nov 02 18:53:22 turn it off. Nov 02 18:53:40 then, hold the VOLUME UP button in. and power the phone on. Nov 02 18:53:52 This should result in a giant USB symbol filling your screen. Nov 02 18:56:18 Then, run the jar as descibed above. Nov 02 18:56:33 and it will proceed to overwrite the phone with your modified image. Nov 02 18:58:35 The phone freezed .. took out the battery Nov 02 18:58:53 ok Nov 02 18:58:59 usb cord out Nov 02 18:59:02 battery out Nov 02 18:59:27 now, hold volume button up in Nov 02 18:59:36 Plug in USB cord WHILE HOLDING BUTTON UP Nov 02 18:59:47 Put battery back in WHILE HODING BUTTON UP Nov 02 18:59:53 let go of button Nov 02 18:59:59 giant USB symbol should appear Nov 02 19:00:45 note - doctor should be running, you should have selected language, agreed to license, and be waiting for the NEXT button to become availabe. Nov 02 19:00:45 ok .. reached the symbol Nov 02 19:00:49 ok Nov 02 19:00:55 if the doctor isn't running run it Nov 02 19:01:02 pick language Nov 02 19:01:07 ok license Nov 02 19:01:10 hit next Nov 02 19:01:11 Now my VM says Stop the Palm synchronization and start it again. Nov 02 19:01:28 What os are you on? Nov 02 19:01:35 on your desktop. Nov 02 19:01:41 10.6 Snow Leopard Nov 02 19:01:48 running Parallels with Ubuntu 9.04 Nov 02 19:01:59 why are you running the doctor in a VM? Nov 02 19:02:06 you do _not_ want to do that. Nov 02 19:02:18 you want to run the doctor java jar directly in osX Nov 02 19:02:40 ok .. then I need to copy the firmware to OSX first. Nov 02 19:15:06 WTF is happening .. it's impossible to zip the file put it on a USB-drive and unpack it under OSX. :S Nov 02 19:15:49 you should be able to directly copy the jar out to the host machine from the vm. Nov 02 19:16:33 I've been editing those instructions. Nov 02 19:16:43 See the line just above "Once the doctor is running."" Nov 02 19:16:46 refresh the wiki page. Nov 02 19:23:31 OMG .. this is getting annoying. I thought that the Terminal part was difficult. Transferring files seems more difficult ... -_- Nov 02 19:33:00 scp Nov 02 19:33:04 or usb Nov 02 19:33:49 Looks like its working now .. Nov 02 19:33:59 arrow with chip on the phone. Nov 02 19:37:09 36% Nov 02 19:45:15 The phone is restarting .. fingers crossed. Nov 02 19:49:08 so have we gotten any word on how 1.3 is shaping up? or are the devs pretty quiet about it? Nov 02 19:50:09 Woohoo .. it works! Nov 02 20:47:13 Hi all Nov 02 20:47:29 Is there easy way to bypas the activation of Pre? Nov 02 20:47:37 of course Nov 02 20:47:38 :P Nov 02 20:48:15 without proper sim :) Nov 02 20:50:14 what is the way? Nov 02 20:50:26 sand0: Meta-doctor is the easiest way Nov 02 20:50:36 meta doctor?? Nov 02 20:50:41 shit Nov 02 20:50:44 if you have a linux / unix type box to run it on Nov 02 20:50:46 I afarid so :) Nov 02 20:51:02 ok. any way I'm dooing it right now :) Nov 02 20:51:06 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Nov 02 20:51:37 why ubunto? is'n it possible in OSX? Nov 02 20:51:44 Rick_work: any more news on that 1.3 sdk? Nov 02 20:52:02 oil, I was apparently wrong. Nov 02 20:52:12 My contact had not been properly informed. Nov 02 20:52:15 He was pissed. Nov 02 20:52:17 lol Nov 02 20:52:54 sand0: it will work in osx Nov 02 20:53:16 sand0: i know it has been modified to work on any distro not only ubuntu Nov 02 20:53:19 well, im glad it was official Nov 02 20:53:21 i was using it on freebsd Nov 02 20:53:29 damn :( I allready started the ubunto Nov 02 20:53:58 sand0: with some of my modifications etc I was able to run it and afaik rwhitby added my modifications to his Makefile Nov 02 20:54:01 so you should be good Nov 02 20:54:22 en0x would you please take a look at the wiki article, Nov 02 20:54:28 I just edited the HELL out of it. Nov 02 20:54:33 what about it Rick_work? Nov 02 20:54:37 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Nov 02 20:54:44 check to see that I didn't lie. Nov 02 20:55:14 Rick_work: did you MetaDoctor? Nov 02 20:55:21 this whole thing should be shrinked to 10 lines Nov 02 20:55:22 ;) Nov 02 20:55:26 Rick_work: ^ Nov 02 20:55:27 Rick_work: or write off the top of yer head? Nov 02 20:55:29 dBsooner: i did long time ago Nov 02 20:55:35 and no i have 2gb for /var ;D Nov 02 20:55:38 I asked Rick_work, I know you did. Nov 02 20:55:38 so this will make me custom ROM? Nov 02 20:55:47 dBsooner I re-arranged what was there into a logical flow Nov 02 20:55:49 sand0: right Nov 02 20:55:54 sand0: get out of WinMo world Nov 02 20:55:54 ;) Nov 02 20:56:04 I just need custom rom without activation and with custom APN settings Nov 02 20:56:11 Rick_work: so have you MetaDoctored? Nov 02 20:56:23 Rick_work: looks good to me Nov 02 20:58:10 comand not found (OSX) apt-get Nov 02 20:58:38 sand0 you don't need to get patch Nov 02 20:58:40 you have patch Nov 02 20:58:46 I'll edit that step again Nov 02 20:59:05 I'm in OSX Nov 02 20:59:06 Rick_work: he needs git though Nov 02 20:59:26 what is git? archivator? Nov 02 21:00:11 Git is a version control system Nov 02 21:00:28 of waht? Nov 02 21:00:33 what ? Nov 02 21:00:34 you can just download a snapshot of metadoctor from the web interface at http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=snapshot;h=HEAD;sf=tgz instead though Nov 02 21:01:01 rather than installing git just to get it Nov 02 21:01:06 Rick can You make script to built-in my custom APN settings db3 file Nov 02 21:01:49 sand0 I can not. You might be able to. Nov 02 21:02:06 Well I doubt but will try Nov 02 21:06:30 Stugots is back? aw. Nov 02 21:06:45 i cant make anyone happy Nov 02 21:22:55 litle help Nov 02 21:22:56 sand0@sand0-desktop:~/meta-doctor$ make CARRIER=bellmo unpack patch pack mkdir -p downloads Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file and then move it to downloads/webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo-1.2.1.jar make: *** [downloads/webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo-1.2.1.jar] Error 1 Nov 02 21:24:13 what Nov 02 21:24:21 's wrong here? Nov 02 21:24:31 you got an error ? Nov 02 21:24:45 I downloaded the right file and rename it as in the instructions Nov 02 21:24:53 sand0: are you GSM or CDMA? Nov 02 21:25:03 O2 germany GSM Nov 02 21:25:17 sand0: you need the "wr" (world ready) doctor then Nov 02 21:25:31 Do I have to have conecte Pre till I do all this Nov 02 21:25:39 no Nov 02 21:25:58 You sure?? many ppl report using 1.2.1 in Pre GSM Nov 02 21:26:27 really? Nov 02 21:26:30 yes Nov 02 21:26:32 destinal_work: yep Nov 02 21:26:46 destinal_work: upgrading to 1.2.1 is one of teh first thigns i'm gonna do :0 Nov 02 21:26:50 so why on earth did they bother with 1.1.3? Nov 02 21:27:08 aslo if i'm not conected :) then the script don't mind what version i have. so what is wroong then? Nov 02 21:28:26 sand0: well, check that the file is where it said Nov 02 21:28:36 destinal_work: No idea. 1.1.3 has German language in it, but there are very few other differences AFAIK. Nov 02 21:29:17 it is in boh download and meta folder Nov 02 21:29:34 and it's named webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo-1.2.1.jar ? Nov 02 21:29:43 yes Nov 02 21:31:14 weird. rwhitby would be able to help in more detail when he's on. It could be some issue with OSX maybe Nov 02 21:31:35 I'm in ubunto Nov 02 21:31:42 virtual machine Nov 02 21:32:08 wow. then I'm at a total loss. Nov 02 21:32:18 Anyone else? Nov 02 21:32:23 Morgen Nov 02 21:32:26 and why should i rename the file? Nov 02 21:32:33 sand0 it's 0800 in adelaide I expect rwhitby any time Nov 02 21:32:48 Australia? Nov 02 21:32:50 sand0: it looks for the file with a specific name Nov 02 21:32:51 yep Nov 02 21:32:52 Also, morning :) Nov 02 21:32:55 good morning Nov 02 21:33:17 then can someone pass me the baked file ? Nov 02 21:33:18 lingfish: morning :) Nov 02 21:33:35 sand0: copyright makes doing that illegal :( Nov 02 21:33:41 Joy for public holidays :) Nov 02 21:33:47 :) ahh big deal Nov 02 21:34:10 sand0 it is a big deal to US Nov 02 21:34:16 Where is my copy right to operate the Pre?? That I bought unlocked? Nov 02 21:34:20 Palm tolerates us because we play nice. Nov 02 21:34:24 I'm not in US Nov 02 21:34:35 sand0 you do not NEED to be in the US Nov 02 21:34:50 the copyright is Bern convention. Valid everywhere. Nov 02 21:34:52 Good but I'm stuck with a 600$ brick cause o palm :) Nov 02 21:34:55 Rick_work: the english word "us" not united states Nov 02 21:35:02 like "we" Nov 02 21:35:14 right Nov 02 21:35:21 ohh ok Nov 02 21:35:27 sand0 we agree you should be able to do it Nov 02 21:35:32 that's why the meta doctor exists. Nov 02 21:36:00 dBsooner-work: u try wIRC yet? Nov 02 21:36:15 all I want is the right APN settings Nov 02 21:36:54 sand0 understood Nov 02 21:37:03 Navigate to the meta-doctor directory in the terminal by opening terminal and typing "cd meta-doctor" Nov 02 21:37:18 Do i have to novigate to this or all the way to the pach? Nov 02 21:37:49 sand0: what download link did you use to get the doctor? Nov 02 21:38:12 Bell Mobility: http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/p121r0d10092009/b11ep121rod/webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo.jar Nov 02 21:41:13 so? Nov 02 21:44:24 I downloaded sprint.. same... Nov 02 21:44:29 wrong version Nov 02 21:46:09 debian on Pre! Nov 02 21:46:13 ^_^ Nov 02 21:46:17 http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/palm_pre/ Nov 02 21:46:26 ok, debian chroot Nov 02 21:46:28 still, wowo Nov 02 21:46:34 old news :) Nov 02 21:47:20 sand0: it looks to me like you need to: mv webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo.jar webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo-1.2.1.jar Nov 02 21:47:25 bah Nov 02 21:47:28 * Mousey is slow Nov 02 21:47:32 but if you already did rename it that way... dunno Nov 02 21:48:29 You think rename is not working? Nov 02 21:49:48 I just downloaded metadoctor and ran it on my ubuntu, once I put the bellmo jar in there and renamed it that way, it worked fine. (only after renaming it with the mv command above though) Nov 02 21:50:41 ok Nov 02 21:52:03 cd downloads; wget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/p121r0d10092009/b11ep121rod/webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo.jar; mv webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo.jar webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo-1.2.1.jar Nov 02 21:52:21 then: cd ..; make Nov 02 21:53:25 cd downloads no such file/directory Nov 02 21:53:31 what is the full path? Nov 02 21:54:07 oh. hmm. if you run just "make" it tries to make all three. Nov 02 21:54:36 so it'll succeed at the one you actually have and tell you you need to download the others, which you can ignore Nov 02 21:54:53 no.. I mean how to enter the downloads folder from terminal Nov 02 21:55:15 are you sure it didn't work before it gave the error? Nov 02 21:55:29 this is my firs trial Nov 02 21:55:34 did it do a bunch of stuff that took a while and then fail? Nov 02 21:55:44 will try to rename it with MV Nov 02 21:56:00 no it just give me error Nov 02 21:56:04 right away Nov 02 21:57:52 because what I should have run was: make CARRIER=bellmo unpack patch pack Nov 02 21:58:47 Yes I did it. same . not working Nov 02 21:59:08 someone needs to make an easy metadoctor GUI for those who aren't familiar with linux Nov 02 21:59:28 destinal_work yes, but I'm trying to edit the instructions into something better. Nov 02 21:59:38 I think I'm getting there, would you review them again please? Nov 02 21:59:38 ok Nov 02 22:01:41 Rick_work: the issue is that there's no downloads directory until someone runs make first, yet they need to move the doctor into there. Nov 02 22:01:43 Ok I did it with MV and same error Nov 02 22:02:07 Rick_work: so, maybe: mkdir downloads; cd downloads; wget ... ; mv . .. Nov 02 22:02:33 ? there is downloads directory the deafult one Nov 02 22:02:46 sand0: there is since you have run make at least once Nov 02 22:03:18 ? don't we talk about the ubunto default download directory? Nov 02 22:03:37 the one where ubunto downloads (i mena firefox) Nov 02 22:04:00 whats ubunto? Nov 02 22:05:25 Ubuntu... its a Linux distro Nov 02 22:05:37 Also, hi dBsooner-work :) Nov 02 22:05:47 sand0: no Nov 02 22:06:01 sand0: we're talking about the downloads directory underneath the meta-doctor directory Nov 02 22:06:12 sand0: that's probably the source of your problem Nov 02 22:07:08 :) Nov 02 22:07:35 if you move the file to the downloads dir under the meta-doctor dir you'll probably be just fine :) Nov 02 22:08:44 will try Nov 02 22:10:06 works. yep this was lame :) Nov 02 22:10:48 lingfish: I figured it was ubuntU, I just wanted to clarify. Nov 02 22:11:04 :) Nov 02 22:11:43 * dBsooner-work runs Ubuntu Karmic Desktop on his laptop, Ubuntu Karmic server on his desktop (Vmware'd autoboot inside windows) and CentOS 5 on one of my many server clusters in my datacenters. Nov 02 22:11:55 dBsooner-work: wow, that was fast. Nov 02 22:12:03 Karmic has been out, what, a couple of days? Nov 02 22:12:08 ugh to RHEL Nov 02 22:12:10 destinal_work: I have been running beta for a while Nov 02 22:12:36 destinal_work: heh, i might do something like that. since apparently the ati radeon hd 5770 isny "fully" supported on linux yet, which is fucking annoying Nov 02 22:12:38 lingfish: Shrug.. CentOS is a very strong server OS. Nov 02 22:13:08 i dont want the stupid "unssuported hardware" watermark on the bottom right corner of the screen when the drivers work just fine Nov 02 22:13:11 dBsooner-work: is it exciting enough (as compared to jaunty) to upgrade right away? Nov 02 22:13:11 I just won a quarterly prize from my employer. Got an Asus EEE Netbook. Nov 02 22:13:15 With many many years of Unix under my belt, I'm still not convinced that Linux is at all. Nov 02 22:13:20 can I just replace my country carriers over other carriers? Nov 02 22:13:23 I am giving it to my wife, gonan try to to convince her to go with Ubuntu herself. ;) Nov 02 22:13:30 destinal_work: ive been using karmic since the RC Nov 02 22:13:54 in 1.2.1 here is one of our carriers :) however it is not working. atleast is not working for the activation procces Nov 02 22:13:56 destinal_work: The new kernel is good enough. Plus they have dropped a lot of useless features. I think it's worth it. At least in the first month or os Nov 02 22:13:59 s/os/so/ Nov 02 22:14:01 dBsooner-work meant: destinal_work: The new kernel is good enough. Plus they have dropped a lot of useless features. I think it's worth it. At least in the first month or so Nov 02 22:14:26 lingfish: My absolute fav server OS is BSDi. Nov 02 22:14:42 But I must settle for FreeBSD in the real world.. As I have no money. ;) Nov 02 22:15:27 sand0: http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/210030-carrier-apn-settings-1-13-german-1-21-us.html Nov 02 22:15:31 dBsooner-work: man, that's taking me back a bit! My pref is always Solaris... and NetBSD for firewalls. Recently started playing with Nexenta and I'm very impressed. Will be replacing my aging RH 9 home server with it soon. Nov 02 22:16:04 NetBSD was some tough stuff Nov 02 22:16:23 PuffTheMagic: wtf do you want Nov 02 22:16:23 Solaris SUN os was as expesive as it got Nov 02 22:16:24 nope I need to edit it :) Nov 02 22:16:27 dBsooner: wow, I know Rob Kolstad and Jeff Polk from BSDI, I helped them pack and ship 2.0 when I was a kid :) Nov 02 22:16:35 dBsooner-work: netbsd is tough? Nov 02 22:16:39 to what install? Nov 02 22:16:46 ni|: No.. as a firewall. Nov 02 22:16:50 like "good" Nov 02 22:17:01 Yep.... ipfilter is the shit. Darren is a good friend of mine. Nov 02 22:17:05 My first Linux os.. Nov 02 22:17:08 And it's also in Solaris :D Nov 02 22:17:15 Slackware 1.1 Nov 02 22:17:23 No crap.. I still have the "Floppies" Nov 02 22:17:30 I'll take a picture of them one day Nov 02 22:18:03 "please insert the floppy disk labeled "Slackware install disk 2 of 18"" or something like that Nov 02 22:18:11 dBsooner: yup, I did the same thing Nov 02 22:18:42 lol Nov 02 22:18:50 man, I go back before that :/ Nov 02 22:18:52 back when you had like 3 flavor's of free *nix Nov 02 22:19:15 And AS400 from IBM was like "THE MAINFRAME" Nov 02 22:19:39 which oddly, is still in use today in a lot of smaller school networks for record keeping. Nov 02 22:20:09 dBsooner-work: Kolstad donated unlimited licenses of BSDi to my high school in like 1993, which is how we got on the internet, so I have fond memories of the operating system. I wouldn't bother with it now, personally, but back then Linux wasn't ready for prime time. Nov 02 22:24:38 of course a palm pre would run circles around that old 486 server now. funny to think of that. Nov 02 22:25:32 PuffTheMagic: ? Nov 02 22:26:28 Rick_work: yeah, the instructions look pretty bulletproof, now Nov 02 22:27:53 yep they are better now Nov 02 22:33:44 sand0: so did you doctor your pre and get it running? Nov 02 22:34:04 charging :) Nov 02 22:34:17 this pre is one hungy basta Nov 02 22:34:31 Has anyone besides en0x actually MetaDoctored? Nov 02 22:34:41 me Nov 02 22:35:11 I metadoctored but didn't run the new doctor it made Nov 02 22:35:25 so you didn't actually install it? Nov 02 22:35:37 yeah, I have no need to bypass activation Nov 02 22:35:58 I just wish Palm would hurry up and at least announce when/how they are going to fix the install limit Nov 02 22:36:05 so I can decide whether or not to go ahead and doctor Nov 02 22:36:06 ;) Nov 02 22:36:27 :) don't count on pre Nov 02 22:36:31 on palm Nov 02 22:36:48 they'll get there eventually, but yeah, you can fix it yourself for now Nov 02 22:37:46 destinal_work: I am happy for the moment with mvapp and fairdinkum(ipkg service) Nov 02 22:42:21 I hate stupid people Nov 02 22:43:04 Abyssul: yeah, they taste all gamey Nov 02 22:43:20 lol Nov 02 22:43:24 no amount of seasoning makes up for it Nov 02 22:45:54 Abyssul: is anything exciting going on in webos hacking any more? Nov 02 22:46:12 wIRC? Nov 02 22:46:16 New patches Nov 02 22:46:29 but other than that, nothing ground breaking Nov 02 22:47:51 im still waiting for someone to expand the lock screen capabilities Nov 02 22:49:30 Abyssul: how so? Nov 02 22:50:05 im annoyed by having to input my PIN everytime I answer a text Nov 02 22:50:09 which is like 60 times a hour Nov 02 22:50:20 oh, but you don't want to totally unlock it Nov 02 22:50:24 Yep Nov 02 22:50:33 Either a timer, or the ability to manually lock the phone Nov 02 22:50:37 or both Nov 02 22:50:52 Like hte phones screen turns off after a min, but it doesnt lock until 5 mins Nov 02 22:51:06 Thats my only gripe atm Nov 02 22:51:28 we had someone in here earlier who meta-doctored and it worked and he sckedaddled. Nov 02 22:52:48 Abyssul: Palm OS had that option. Buy a Centro ;) Nov 02 22:52:59 No thanks, I love my Pre Nov 02 22:53:32 I wish performance was better Nov 02 22:54:58 regarding the "devs get early access to updates" -- is it anyone with an app in the catalog, or just the special ones? Nov 02 22:55:10 ok it is working. I did the bypass Nov 02 22:55:55 for those who have metadoctored, you still want to run the first use app to set up your palm profile, after turning on wifi, right? Nov 02 22:56:59 or do you do it some other way? Nov 02 22:59:33 wow Nov 02 22:59:51 im looking at the early release palm back in March and its orientatioon switches are decently fast Nov 02 23:00:01 Palm Pre* Nov 02 23:00:33 Abyssul: early release pre? Nov 02 23:00:53 Back when they were showing the phone off on talk shows and stuff Nov 02 23:01:09 When it was still like unfinished Nov 02 23:06:28 Abyssul: my pre orient switches pretty fast.. Nov 02 23:06:45 Abyssul: a lot of reviewers noted that it's one of the fastest orientation switches they've seen .. Nov 02 23:07:25 sweetness :p Nov 02 23:08:05 besides, it is still unfinished hence the pre patches :P Nov 02 23:08:19 ..anyway, I still need to fix preware/package management service on my pre :( Nov 02 23:08:22 There is too many android phones lol Nov 02 23:08:47 it's been broken since I ran an update and ..yeah it insists it's installed and up to date but several luna apps say it's defunct including preware Nov 02 23:08:53 I can use ipkg freely from CLI though Nov 02 23:13:42 Just used the java preware installer for the first time (had been too stuck in my ways with copy / paste into ssh) Nov 02 23:13:51 the installer is pretty nice Nov 02 23:16:08 destinal_work: ya mean WebOS Quick Install? or the dedicated preware installer? Nov 02 23:16:22 the latter Nov 02 23:16:32 I've actually never used quick install Nov 02 23:21:48 yeah Nov 02 23:21:51 hh Nov 02 23:21:59 quickinstall needs to realise that EU pres exist :P Nov 02 23:22:08 'which webos doctor? sprint or bell?' Nov 02 23:22:11 eyah.. neither? :P Nov 02 23:24:05 hrm, I need luna-send fu Nov 02 23:30:54 Marajin: from what I'm told, you can just flash sprint or bell to an EU pre and it works just fine (and is 1.2.1 instead of 1.1.3) .. of course, you'd lose the German language, maybe others Nov 02 23:32:46 hello Nov 02 23:35:25 got a question for you guys anyone here? Nov 02 23:35:32 Yea Nov 02 23:36:48 saw Rod's post to come here for help Nov 02 23:37:11 got an issue with the unlocked O2 pre in canda Nov 02 23:37:16 canada Nov 02 23:37:48 destinal_work: I'm english, I don't want the german languages :p Nov 02 23:38:14 Is there a way to restart luna from the cmdline? Nov 02 23:38:53 lingfish: pkill LunaSysMgr Nov 02 23:39:10 ta, was wondering if it'd auto restart Nov 02 23:39:16 (on daemon kill) Nov 02 23:39:19 lingfish: yup upstart will start it back up for you Nov 02 23:39:44 nice, ta Nov 02 23:39:58 got a problem with git-core - used the link supplied by Rod's wiki but it can't find it Nov 02 23:40:28 tony_: which article? Nov 02 23:41:08 the one where you install unbuntu and then install git core, patch etc Nov 02 23:43:29 destinal_work: I'm wondering if the latest package manager service is broken on 1.1.3 Nov 02 23:43:47 I've just reinstalled using WebOS Quick Install (uninstalled and reinstalled) but same issue currently Nov 02 23:48:22 perhaps its something to do with auto-switching patch feeds Nov 02 23:48:40 hello all Nov 02 23:49:00 is the issue with the patch feeds and the emulator worked out yet? Nov 02 23:49:02 when's 1.3 :( I want 1.3! Nov 02 23:49:20 where is webos 2.0? Nov 02 23:49:41 i hear it can make you fly Nov 02 23:50:46 Marajin: you might consider flashing 1.2.1 (sprint or bellmo) Nov 02 23:51:34 i'm having issues finding novacom driver for vista64bit an anyone help Nov 02 23:52:03 destinal_work: gonna flash 1.2.1 sprint yes Nov 02 23:52:12 this may be regretted when my phone goes boom but sod it Nov 02 23:52:35 you can always flash back to 1.1.3 Nov 02 23:54:31 so any info on 1.3 yet? Nov 02 23:55:55 Marajin: all the pre doctors seem to be safe to run on any pre Nov 02 23:56:38 Marajin: and of course nobody's been able to brick a pre yet with software, you don't even need bootie to be on the flash disk Nov 02 23:59:38 BoBoYsDaDDa: I think you can use the same method as with windows 7 64-bit Nov 02 23:59:42 BoBoYsDaDDa: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novacom_with_Windows_7 Nov 03 00:00:18 the page says it's deprecated but I've found there are people who still need it and the accessing linux method didn't work for them Nov 03 00:01:56 destinal_work: it worked fine on win7 for me btw Nov 03 00:02:02 destinal_work: and currently flashing 1.2.1 sprint Nov 03 00:07:35 destinal_work: booted and found edge network ok (I rarely get 3g signal at home.. dodgy reception).. restoring palm profile now Nov 03 00:15:56 destinal_work: i think im going to change the keyhelper scene to open in a new card Nov 03 00:16:11 i realized when using it today that looking at it and going back to the terminal window resets it Nov 03 00:16:13 yeah, I was just thinking about that actually Nov 03 00:16:15 also Nov 03 00:16:16 lol Nov 03 00:16:28 or maybe make it so the terminal window doesn't reset on each activate() Nov 03 00:16:30 one or the other Nov 03 00:16:44 can we set up something in preware where we don't restart luna when the plugin is first installed, only on updating it? Nov 03 00:17:35 destinal_work: ok, palm profile restored, rebooting :P fingers crossed eh? Nov 03 00:17:46 we'll have to add an updateFlags to the already existing installFlags and removeFlags Nov 03 00:17:59 once its in the feed, i can add it to the app Nov 03 00:18:34 Marajin: yup, crossed them for you :) Nov 03 00:18:57 so once rwhitby adds it to the feeds, adding it to the app will be simple Nov 03 00:19:09 ~seen dbsooner Nov 03 00:19:12 dbsooner is currently on #webos-internals (17h 47m 33s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 3h 23m 1s, last said: 'Rick_work: so have you MetaDoctored?'. Nov 03 00:19:25 ~seen dbsooner-work Nov 03 00:19:26 dbsooner-work is currently on #webos-internals (2h 16m 24s). Has said a total of 28 messages. Is idling for 1h 41m 40s, last said: 'destinal_work: I am happy for the moment with mvapp and fairdinkum(ipkg service)'. Nov 03 00:20:39 ~seen infobot Nov 03 00:20:40 destinal_work: i haven't seen 'infobot' Nov 03 00:20:48 ~botsnack Nov 03 00:20:48 destinal_work: aw, gee Nov 03 00:21:01 lol Nov 03 00:21:20 anyone have his email, I need to forward Nov 03 00:23:21 destinal_work: looks like it worked, just enabling dev mode so I can install preware :) Nov 03 00:25:06 ~do a barrelroll Nov 03 00:25:07 * infobot does a barrelroll. Nov 03 00:25:10 heh Nov 03 00:25:18 it seems to boot quicker now Nov 03 00:27:06 If I'm using dd to transfer an entire chroot to an .img file, should I use the nofollow switch to avoid errors with symlinked libs? Nov 03 00:29:12 ~call dBsooner Nov 03 00:29:14 * infobot looks around and then screams out dBsooner as loudly as possible Nov 03 00:35:40 destinal_work: yep :) all working now :) Nov 03 00:36:09 Marajin: nice Nov 03 00:56:01 folks- hoping you can help Nov 03 00:56:47 i'm no help to anyone Nov 03 00:57:02 got as far as running webosdoctor in java but i can't get webosdoctor to recognize the pre via usb - i've even tried holding up on volume while turning it on - no luck - what am I doing wrong? Nov 03 00:57:56 <_droO> does your computer recognize it?:\ Nov 03 00:58:22 no nothing - when i plug in the cable nothing happens...running ubuntu Nov 03 01:02:21 tonytony, your phone in dev mode? Nov 03 01:02:52 if you mean that big ass USB symbol - then yes...if not, then please tell me how to do that Nov 03 01:03:33 * zsoc sighs Nov 03 01:04:03 Although, technically i suppose you don't need devmode on for webosdoctor to work. it's just the first thing i think of when i hear usb issues Nov 03 01:04:35 zsoc - is that that konami thing? Nov 03 01:05:07 ya Nov 03 01:05:24 ok - let me try - one sec Nov 03 01:05:32 Is your phone recognized by your linux box when it's running normally? I guess that's what I'm trying to get at Nov 03 01:07:11 just tried the konami code - nothing happened - phone wasn't recognized when i first plugged it in...it starts to get recognized on an XP machine though Nov 03 01:08:45 tonytony, with the phone on, and working (i'm assuming your phone works?) when you plug it into your computer running linux, your computer doesn't recognize it, and your phone doesn't give you "sync / usb mode / just charge" options? Nov 03 01:09:48 correct - i just got it today and can't get past the loing screen - got an O2 unlocked from Expansys and I'm in Canada on Fido (part of Rogers).... Nov 03 01:09:58 i meant login screen Nov 03 01:10:21 oh. talk to rod Nov 03 01:10:30 is he here? Nov 03 01:10:40 he's always here, but in a .. future state Nov 03 01:10:47 or a past state of the future Nov 03 01:12:29 ok thx Nov 03 01:13:04 tonytony, what exactly are you trying to do? are you trying to get an unlocked pre to work on a canadian GSM network? Nov 03 01:14:15 yep Nov 03 01:14:33 tonytony, has this been done before for your carrier? Nov 03 01:15:03 haven't heard of it - but rogers wireless is in the carrier database - however Fido isn't Nov 03 01:16:06 Bell Mobility (CDMA) has the exclusive in Canada (terrible carrier), but I have an unlimited voice and unlimited data plan so I always go unlocked GSM route Nov 03 01:17:03 rwhitby, sorry to ping you, this fellow tonytony is trying to get an unlocked pre working on a gsm canadian carrier, may be the first to try it, figured you might know more/how/be interested. Nov 03 01:18:40 thx zsoc - also just sent him a PM on Treocentral Nov 03 01:18:59 evening folks Nov 03 01:19:15 tonytony, i know he wrote a script which Nov 03 01:19:28 "prepares" an unactivated pre for uh... unactivated use Nov 03 01:19:33 not sure if you will need that in your case, but maybe Nov 03 01:19:35 AnOutsider_, yellow Nov 03 01:20:52 tonytony: if I were you, I'd metadoctor a bell mobility or sprint doctor image, flash that, and proceed as normal Nov 03 01:21:36 as others here can attest, they work fine on CDMA and are a later version of the OS Nov 03 01:21:49 s/CDMA/GSM as well as CDMA/ Nov 03 01:21:49 destinal_work meant: as others here can attest, they work fine on GSM as well as CDMA and are a later version of the OS Nov 03 01:22:10 zsoc, and by 'metadoctor' he's refering to the piece of software i had just mentioned of rod's :) Nov 03 01:22:13 that would be great if ubuntu and meta doctor would recognize my pre but they dont Nov 03 01:22:38 tonytony, webOS Doctor != metadoctor Nov 03 01:22:40 sorry - i confused meta doctor with webos doctor Nov 03 01:22:44 :> Nov 03 01:23:14 tonytony: regarding the doctor not working, have you tried the recovery mode? Nov 03 01:23:17 destinal_work, good idea actually :) Assuming what you mentioned about gsm compatibility is accurate :D Nov 03 01:23:39 zsoc: Marajin is my witness, he just did it Nov 03 01:23:51 would the later version give me access to apn's or would it contain a more complete carrier database? Nov 03 01:24:02 how do I try recovery mode? Nov 03 01:24:09 tonytony: you may have to edit your carrier database later Nov 03 01:24:33 destinal_work, great to know, good news too Nov 03 01:24:46 tonytony: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Nov 03 01:24:58 go to: If your PC does not recognize your Pre and you cannot go past step 3 above, try the following steps: Nov 03 01:25:55 basically when you turn off pre, hold down the up key and plug in USB, you get a big USB logo on the screen. this is recovery mode Nov 03 01:26:05 the doctor should definitely work then Nov 03 01:26:24 i already tried that - didn't work Nov 03 01:26:24 I recommend that you don't use a standard doctor but mod your own using metadoctor to bypass activation Nov 03 01:26:52 tonytony: have you tried taking out the battery, then putting the battery back in, then hold down up and plug in USB? Nov 03 01:27:37 s/and plug/while plugging/ Nov 03 01:27:38 destinal_work meant: tonytony: have you tried taking out the battery, then putting the battery back in, then hold down up while plugging in USB? Nov 03 01:28:36 and we're talking about volume up on the left hand side of the pre (the uppermost of the two buttons nearer the headphone jack) Nov 03 01:28:57 just tried that - got the usb logo - but ubuntu doesn't recognize it Nov 03 01:29:07 ok, the USB logo is good Nov 03 01:29:27 that's recovery mode definitely, so usually any problem is on the PC side not the pre Nov 03 01:29:58 have you installed the novacom package? Nov 03 01:30:03 on the ubuntu box? Nov 03 01:30:45 how does video recording work? I tried using the command at the top of this page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/VideoRecording but the file I get isn't playable by mplayer Nov 03 01:31:59 you mean the palm sdk? yes but I think i did it AFTER i ran the make CARRIER command Nov 03 01:32:40 tonytony: order doesn't matter Nov 03 01:32:50 tonytony: but you need the SDK *and* novacom Nov 03 01:33:01 where do i get novacom? Nov 03 01:33:04 https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/1.2.0.33/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_0.3-svn196852-hud21_i386.deb Nov 03 01:33:25 ice-11, that's pretty normal. the file you get is poorly built, even more poorly encoded, and completely unmuxed / lacking a container Nov 03 01:33:43 tonytony, apt-get install palm-novacom i believe Nov 03 01:34:07 destinal - just installed via your link - let me try connecting again Nov 03 01:34:49 tonytony: you may try "sudo start palm-novacomd" to make sure it's running Nov 03 01:35:15 it'll start on boot, not sure if it does on install Nov 03 01:35:21 zsoc: ah, you're right. I didn't think to hexdump the head of the file... Nov 03 01:35:38 it just said unknown job Nov 03 01:35:43 zsoc: any ideas? Nov 03 01:36:17 ello Nov 03 01:36:22 rwhitby: ping Nov 03 01:36:41 ice-11, i am ashamed to admit i've been working on it for too long. if you're talking about just trying to playback that file, yeah, there's a ton of ways to do it Nov 03 01:37:19 destinal_work, i have novacom installed and working, but i have no palm-novacomd or any novacom service Nov 03 01:37:24 tonytony: sudo dpkg -r palm-novacom; wget https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/1.2.0.33/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_0.3-svn196852-hud21_i386.deb; sudo dpkg -i palm-novacom_0.3-svn196852-hud21_i386.deb Nov 03 01:37:36 that's a good idea too :> Nov 03 01:37:37 I just did it myself and it installs and starts / stops Nov 03 01:37:42 zsoc: I'd be glad to help. I was going to be ambitious and make a video recorder myself as it hasn't been done. you can imagine how relieved I am to know there's already a videorecorder available. Nov 03 01:38:09 zsoc: do you have the lame version of novacom without novaterm? Nov 03 01:38:47 tonytony: it should end with something like: palm-novacomd (start) running, process 16524 Nov 03 01:38:48 destinal_work, prolly... i use tty:// to access terminal Nov 03 01:39:54 zsoc: for a while palm was giving out a later version of novacom that sucked and lacked a lot of things, some people found a URL that was used in early access developer program that had novaterm and other stuff and is overall way better. since we started using it, so has palm officially on their page too Nov 03 01:40:40 cool, good to know Nov 03 01:40:40 stop: Unknown job: palm-novacomd start: Unknown job: palm-novacomd Nov 03 01:40:42 it's the 0.3-svn196852 and is definitely the one you want Nov 03 01:41:12 it unpacked it and set it up - but ended like that when I ran the last command Nov 03 01:41:21 wtf Nov 03 01:42:21 tonytony: you can probably run the daemon by hand but it sucks if you will always have to Nov 03 01:43:07 should I reboot? Nov 03 01:43:17 tonytony: try this Nov 03 01:43:23 tonytony: dpkg -L palm-novacom|grep \/novacomd$ Nov 03 01:43:41 ok Nov 03 01:43:56 if that shows a path to novacomd, you can type that to run it Nov 03 01:44:23 it should show Nov 03 01:44:23 /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd Nov 03 01:44:39 it shows /opt/PALM/novacom/novacomd with novacomd in red Nov 03 01:45:12 k, try running that Nov 03 01:45:23 just: /opt/PALM/novacom/novacomd Nov 03 01:45:57 bash: /opt/PALM/novacom/novacomd: No such file or directory Nov 03 01:46:05 hmm Nov 03 01:47:08 try: md5sum palm-novacom_0.3-svn196852-hud21_i386.deb Nov 03 01:47:36 11b78cd45aaffcd17d071f691dfb6407 palm-novacom_0.3-svn196852-hud21_i386.deb Nov 03 01:47:50 ok that's the one I have too Nov 03 01:48:47 sec Nov 03 01:52:06 sudo rm -rf /opt/PALM; mkdir /tmp/novacom; cd /tmp/novacom; wget https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/1.2.0.33/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_0.3-svn196852-hud21_i386.deb; ar -x palm-novacom_0.3-svn196852-hud21_i386.deb; cd /; sudo tar xvzf /tmp/novacom/data.tar.gz Nov 03 01:52:21 try that Nov 03 01:52:37 that should manually re-extract the files from the novacom package Nov 03 01:53:50 then try: sudo start palm-novacomd Nov 03 01:54:52 start: Unknown job: palm-novacomd Nov 03 01:55:16 sigh. try: /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd Nov 03 01:55:17 followed your instructions - cut and paste everything - 1 command at a time Nov 03 01:55:22 notice not all caps Nov 03 01:55:29 /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd Nov 03 01:55:45 now we're getting somewhere Nov 03 01:55:55 [2009/11/2 20:55:32] novacomd version novacomd-62 starting... [2009/11/2 20:55:32] novacomctl socket ready to accept [2009/11/2 20:55:32] need to run as super user to access usb Nov 03 01:56:28 ah, pkill -9 novacomd and then sudo /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd Nov 03 01:56:33 it needs to be roto Nov 03 01:56:36 s/roto/root/ Nov 03 01:56:37 destinal_work meant: it needs to be root Nov 03 01:56:49 what needs to be root? Nov 03 01:56:59 novacomd needs to be run with sudo to become root Nov 03 01:57:26 i don't have a command line...just a bunch of blank lines Nov 03 01:57:48 ah, control-C Nov 03 01:58:25 then sudo /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd & Nov 03 01:58:33 [2009/11/2 20:58:13] novacomctl socket ready to accept Nov 03 01:58:38 cool Nov 03 01:59:08 now you should be able to doctor, put the pre in recovery mode and run doctor normally. but you'll want to metadoctor to make one that has activation bypassed Nov 03 02:00:26 before you do Nov 03 02:00:35 i'm running meta doctor (ie webos doctor which asks me the language etc) I assume that's what you're talking about? Nov 03 02:00:41 no Nov 03 02:00:43 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Nov 03 02:00:52 metadoctor makes customized webos doctors Nov 03 02:01:16 the webos doctor is what you're running but the stock one will give you a pre that won't activate without data service Nov 03 02:01:21 I've already gone through all those instructions and built a new file Nov 03 02:01:26 aha Nov 03 02:01:26 ok Nov 03 02:01:32 then you should be good to go Nov 03 02:02:03 I missed that you said you had run "make CARRIER " etc Nov 03 02:02:59 what's the exact process now? do i make it go to usb mode on pre THEN plug it in and THEN rune the webosdoctor file I created? Is there a certain order to follow? Nov 03 02:03:16 order doesn't really matter Nov 03 02:03:48 you step through the doctor screens and eventually you get to one that won't allow you to continue unless your pre is in recovery mode or dev mode and plugged in Nov 03 02:04:02 and then you can go recovery mode and plug it in, or if it already is, it's fine Nov 03 02:04:38 it's pretty easygoing :) Nov 03 02:06:39 destinal - it connected - you are AWESOME..... Nov 03 02:07:01 excellent Nov 03 02:07:22 now the next challenge is editing the carrier database to change rogers settings to fido Nov 03 02:08:01 that's something I've never done, but the links in the metadoctor article have some steps on how to change the database settings Nov 03 02:08:24 sadly palm didn't make them editable in the UI, we in webos-internals should make an app for that :) Nov 03 02:08:46 when is palm or O2 coming out with an updated os with the ability to edit apn's? can sprint or bell mobility users edit? Nov 03 02:08:56 nobody can Nov 03 02:09:17 nobody can edit them? Nov 03 02:09:17 but we should be able to make a third party app for that Nov 03 02:09:32 tonytony: right now people are manually editing the database files Nov 03 02:09:43 there's no UI on the device itself designed for editing Nov 03 02:09:49 them Nov 03 02:10:07 that's ridiculous as my Centro, 680 and 650 all had that functionality Nov 03 02:10:19 damn palm Nov 03 02:10:22 tonytony: we agree.. and I think palm does, they're talking about future releases fixing that Nov 03 02:10:31 but no reason we can't make an app to do that first :) Nov 03 02:10:49 and for now editing by hand is possible Nov 03 02:11:08 just takes sqlite commands or a sqlite-based GUI db tool Nov 03 02:12:38 in the meantime, I have to drive, but check out the articles linked from the metadoctor wiki page and if you're still stumped, rwhitby may be on soon -- he made metadoctor and is going to be doing the same thing as you soon when his GSM pre gets to austrailia, so he's got a vested interest ;) Nov 03 02:13:36 good luck Nov 03 02:14:29 thx for your help destinal **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 03 02:59:57 2009