**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 04 02:59:57 2009
Nov 04 03:24:22 <Abyssul> yay, I get a internetz pt for screwing up the messaging app
Nov 04 03:24:44 <rick_home> congrats
Nov 04 03:24:55 <rick_home> I screwed up my next app for the app catalog
Nov 04 03:25:08 <rick_home> took me five hours to figure out how stupid I was.
Nov 04 03:25:42 <Abyssul> wheres Greg... he said he was coming back lol
Nov 04 03:26:14 <Dave__> is anyone on bell? i want to confirm whether all internet connections go through a proxy
Nov 04 03:33:39 <rick_home> Dave__:   what exactly do you want to know?>
Nov 04 03:35:14 <Dave__> well i haven't messed with it too much but i can't ping my phone
Nov 04 03:39:02 <Dave__> i also can't ssh to it
Nov 04 04:01:46 <rick_home> Dave__:   how did you enable SSH for evdo on the phone?
Nov 04 04:02:04 <Dave__> im starting to think maybe i didnt
Nov 04 04:02:17 <rick_home> Dave__:  did you run next-steps from the wiki?
Nov 04 04:02:20 <Dave__> i installed the bootstrap
Nov 04 04:02:33 <rick_home> how did you do that?
Nov 04 04:03:09 <Dave__> similar to the wiki, just reading the wiki right now one sec. i followed some other instructions on a blog
Nov 04 04:03:22 <rick_home> ok
Nov 04 04:03:31 <rick_home> in the wiki there is an OPTION to enable ssh via evdo
Nov 04 04:03:36 <rick_home> the DEFAULT is to not allow that
Nov 04 04:03:54 <Dave__> yeah it asked me during the setup
Nov 04 04:03:58 <Dave__> and i did select EVDO
Nov 04 04:04:07 <Dave__> i'm actually planning on trying to switch that to WIFI
Nov 04 04:04:58 <rick_home> just re-run the script
Nov 04 04:06:49 <zsoc> ok, i just tried to copy a mounted chroot img by accident... i might as well have just cp'd /proc/
Nov 04 04:06:50 <Dave__> so how does that work? during the install its config'ing sshd to only listen over evdo device?
Nov 04 04:08:25 <Dave__> hmm ok re-running the install script didn't prompt for configing ssh, it just says its already installed and moves on.
Nov 04 04:10:54 <Dave__> i need to find out how to reconfigure sshd
Nov 04 04:17:14 <rick_home> Dave__:   get the script to your desktop and read it.
Nov 04 04:17:31 <rick_home> then you can just type those few lines by hand or cut and paste
Nov 04 04:18:53 <_droO> http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/master/optware-bootstrap.sh
Nov 04 04:21:23 <Dave__> thx
Nov 04 04:28:25 <Dave__> vi fucks up, is there another editor that is installed?
Nov 04 04:29:26 <latta> so i got bash going, created some aliases, how do I get them to work for root as well? root is also setup for bash in /etc/passwd
Nov 04 04:29:34 <sugardave> vi needs upgrade to vii
Nov 04 04:30:09 <rick_home> Dave there is not another editor installed, but you can do  ipkg-opt install nano
Nov 04 04:30:15 <rick_home> and get nano which I far prefer
Nov 04 04:30:18 <VeeDubb65-Steve> hey guys.  Anybody know a reason why it would cause a problem to make a patch that created a file in /media/internal?
Nov 04 04:30:38 <rick_home> that is an allowed directory
Nov 04 04:31:08 <VeeDubb65-Steve> thanks.  I figured it was, but since it's a different partition, I wasn't sure.
Nov 04 04:32:25 <VeeDubb65-Steve> Here's a tougher one:  Is the text on the buttons you get when you plug the Pre into a computer editable text, or part of the image file, and if it's real text, where is the text?
Nov 04 04:32:41 <Templarian1> There had deiter enable my dev account thing good fun :)
Nov 04 04:32:45 <Dave__> damnit
Nov 04 04:33:02 <Dave__> i rm the dropbear config file so that the optware-boostrap would see it missing and ask to reinstall, but it isn't asking to reinstall
Nov 04 04:36:01 * Abyssul yawns
Nov 04 04:36:08 <Dave__> how do i quit nano i'm getting garbage
Nov 04 04:36:30 <Dave__> im connected with novacom in a command prompt from windows so its not reading things quite right
Nov 04 04:37:05 <Dave__> fuck
Nov 04 04:37:12 <latta> where do i go to create root aliases in bash on the pre? it says command not found, but it works when I use my underpriveledged account
Nov 04 04:41:08 <Dave__> ^X gah
Nov 04 04:42:19 <latta> nvm got it
Nov 04 04:44:15 <rick_home> Dave__:   download novaterm
Nov 04 04:47:05 <Dave__> rick_home i replaced the dropbear config with the default, which allows WIFI, wifi is working on my phone right now, and i can connect to localhost on the phone
Nov 04 04:47:12 <Dave__> but i can't putty ssh from my pc to the phone still...
Nov 04 04:47:49 <rick_home> port 222 not 22 right ?
Nov 04 04:47:53 <Dave__> yeah
Nov 04 04:48:01 <rick_home> and you got the wifi  ip address from the phone?
Nov 04 04:48:10 <Dave__> yeah
Nov 04 04:48:15 <rick_home> ok
Nov 04 04:48:23 <rick_home> now for a dumb pair of questins,  please forgive me
Nov 04 04:48:28 <rick_home> what is the ip of the phone?
Nov 04 04:48:40 <Dave__> 192.168.1.105
Nov 04 04:48:47 <rick_home> and what is the ip of the pc?
Nov 04 04:48:59 <Dave__> 192.168.1.100
Nov 04 04:49:03 <rick_home> ok
Nov 04 04:49:23 <rick_home> well,  you don't have one of those stupid routers that put the stupid wireless on a different netmask than the wired...
Nov 04 04:49:25 <rick_home> ok
Nov 04 04:49:58 <Dave__> yeah no its a WRT router
Nov 04 04:50:06 <rick_home> I had to ask
Nov 04 04:50:15 <rick_home> is dropbear running?
Nov 04 04:50:48 <Dave__> yeah i can ssh to localhost inside of novacom
Nov 04 04:50:57 <Dave__> although i'm not sure the difference between dropbear and sshd?
Nov 04 04:51:04 <rick_home> no
Nov 04 04:51:15 <rick_home> ssh'ing out does not mean that there is an ssh LISTENING
Nov 04 04:52:09 <Dave__> well i can login so doesn't that mean theres soemthing answering
Nov 04 04:52:30 <rick_home> you can't login with PUTTY tho
Nov 04 04:52:33 <rick_home> can you ?
Nov 04 04:52:41 <Dave__> no
Nov 04 04:52:48 <rick_home> that means that you have NOVACOM running
Nov 04 04:52:52 <rick_home> do a ps
Nov 04 04:53:33 <Dave__> novacomd accepts ssh connections?
Nov 04 04:53:38 <Dave__> on 222
Nov 04 04:53:40 <rick_home> ps -a | grep drop
Nov 04 04:54:00 <rick_home> un -A
Nov 04 04:54:10 <Dave__> ya i dont see it anymore
Nov 04 04:54:15 <rick_home> ok
Nov 04 04:54:18 <rick_home> just to be stupid
Nov 04 04:54:21 <Dave__> no wait there it is
Nov 04 04:54:28 <Dave__> it is running
Nov 04 04:54:31 <rick_home> so it is running
Nov 04 04:54:32 <rick_home> ok
Nov 04 04:55:25 <Dave__> i dont see sshd but like i said, i dont know how this dropbear works
Nov 04 04:58:02 <rick_home> cat  /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear
Nov 04 04:58:25 <Dave__> http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/event.d/optware-dropbear
Nov 04 04:58:27 <Dave__> thats what it looks like
Nov 04 05:00:00 <rick_home> so you really actually have
Nov 04 05:00:05 <rick_home>  /usr/sbin/iptables -D INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT || /bin/true
Nov 04 05:00:07 <rick_home>      /usr/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT
Nov 04 05:00:11 <rick_home> k
Nov 04 05:00:24 <Dave__> yup
Nov 04 05:00:43 <rick_home> pkill dropbear
Nov 04 05:01:05 <Dave__> ya
Nov 04 05:01:17 <Dave__> btw i can ping 192.168.1.105 fine
Nov 04 05:01:19 <rick_home> now  ps and make sure it auto-restarted (which it should have )
Nov 04 05:01:32 <Dave__> yup
Nov 04 05:01:57 <rick_home> now try to ssh to it using putty from the desktop
Nov 04 05:02:28 <Dave__> nope
Nov 04 05:02:32 <rick_home> weird
Nov 04 05:02:35 <Dave__> yah
Nov 04 05:03:16 <Dave__> i tried restarting it already so ya
Nov 04 05:03:25 <rick_home> wish  that rwhitby or destinal or PuffTheMagic  or  one of the other linux folks was here
Nov 04 05:03:31 <rick_home> I'm a windows guy
Nov 04 05:03:38 <PuffTheMagic> im here
Nov 04 05:03:44 <PuffTheMagic> what am i missing?
Nov 04 05:03:53 <rick_home> PuffTheMagic:   Dave__   can't get ssh into his phone
Nov 04 05:04:01 <rick_home> he can ping it
Nov 04 05:04:09 <rick_home> he can telnet to it and novacom to it
Nov 04 05:04:13 <rick_home> dropbear is running
Nov 04 05:04:18 <rick_home> but he can't ssh to it with putty
Nov 04 05:04:28 <PuffTheMagic> oh putty :(
Nov 04 05:04:34 <rick_home> oh don't give me that
Nov 04 05:04:40 <rick_home> putty is NOT the problem
Nov 04 05:04:50 <rick_home> we're not talking certificate issues here
Nov 04 05:05:02 <PuffTheMagic> Dave__: can you novaterm into it?
Nov 04 05:05:02 <rick_home> he's getting no CONNECTION when he tried to ssh to the phone
Nov 04 05:05:33 <Dave__> btw turn on the hockey game rfight now if  you can
Nov 04 05:05:35 <Dave__> hilarious
Nov 04 05:06:01 <rick_home> Dave__:   got an expert,  I'll let him help you
Nov 04 05:06:14 <Dave__> i'm using novacom thru usb
Nov 04 05:06:22 <Dave__> thx
Nov 04 05:07:12 <PuffTheMagic> Dave__: type 'which dropbear' in novaterm with out the quotes
Nov 04 05:07:19 <rick_home> ahhhhh
Nov 04 05:07:53 <Dave__> `/opt/sbin/dropbear
Nov 04 05:08:56 <rick_home> Dave__:   PuffTheMagic  follows so many channels that it's a good idea to include his name each time
Nov 04 05:09:05 <Dave__> oh
Nov 04 05:09:09 <Dave__> bitchx ?
Nov 04 05:09:14 <Dave__> PuffTheMagic did you see my reply?
Nov 04 05:09:37 <PuffTheMagic> Dave__: sorry doing 5 things at once
Nov 04 05:09:40 <Dave__> i haven't ran linux in so many years
Nov 04 05:09:42 <Dave__> no worries
Nov 04 05:11:10 <Dave__> i'd rather use EVDO but i'm pretty sure bell routes all connectiosn through a proxy
Nov 04 05:11:13 <Dave__> openwave or something
Nov 04 05:11:14 <PuffTheMagic> Dave__: ls /etc/event.d/ | grep -c optware-dropbear
Nov 04 05:11:18 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ in novaterm
Nov 04 05:11:22 <PuffTheMagic> does that return 1
Nov 04 05:11:26 <Dave__> yes
Nov 04 05:11:39 <Dave__> or, PuffTheMagic yes
Nov 04 05:11:42 <Dave__> :)
Nov 04 05:12:13 <PuffTheMagic> stop optware-dropbear; start optware-dropbear
Nov 04 05:12:44 <Dave__> jeez
Nov 04 05:12:46 <Dave__> that worked
Nov 04 05:12:50 <Dave__> so just had to start it properly
Nov 04 05:13:07 <Dave__> awesome thanks man
Nov 04 05:13:23 <PuffTheMagic> no prob
Nov 04 05:13:34 <PuffTheMagic> yeah it prob jsut wasnt started
Nov 04 05:13:51 <Dave__> well i killed the process and started it again
Nov 04 05:13:57 <Dave__> just not like that
Nov 04 05:13:59 <preston> +egaudet, i'm hoping for an update on my patch. how's everything going?
Nov 04 05:14:15 <PuffTheMagic> preston: hes busy working on wIRC ;)
Nov 04 05:14:53 <preston> cool. it's good to know.
Nov 04 06:37:17 <oc80z> On ease of use, multitasking has been great; UI latency is still an issue even though the hardware is comparable to 3GS. The problem is the path to the GPU didn’t exist, but now with CSS transforms, that will be solved in the immediate future
Nov 04 06:37:28 <oc80z> we barebones.
Nov 04 06:37:47 <oc80z> palm going to take over the world.
Nov 04 06:38:07 <oc80z> (if only i could invite contacts on my calendar...)
Nov 04 06:38:15 <oc80z> (for the take over the world event)
Nov 04 06:40:00 <oc80z> --------------
Nov 04 06:40:00 <oc80z> http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/11/03/t-mobile-usa-down-all-over-the-place/
Nov 04 07:46:09 <Marajin> hmm
Nov 04 07:46:15 <Marajin> anyone else having issues with AIM on the pre lately?
Nov 04 07:46:43 <Marajin> I thought it was something that I'd broken or 1.1.3 missing some fix that it needs to get on aim but 1.2.1 does the same
Nov 04 07:46:49 <Marajin> gtalk is fine aim 'cannot connect to server'
Nov 04 07:47:20 <Marajin> but if I deliberately get the password wrong it will say something about login failure
Nov 04 07:47:34 <Marajin> implies it's connecting to the server but there's a protocol version mismatch or something?
Nov 04 07:52:05 <AlanCorp> hi
Nov 04 07:52:55 <AlanCorp> i'm from australia
Nov 04 07:57:45 <AlanCorp> i'm considering buying a pre from germany
Nov 04 10:45:55 <mumbles> someoe pull the plug on calvino
Nov 04 11:54:13 <greg_roll> /who *
Nov 04 12:06:55 <freakout> Paging Mr. rwhitby... Mr. rwhitby, your attention please...
Nov 04 12:13:34 <rwhitby> freakout: You Rang?
Nov 04 12:16:37 <freakout> rwhitby: indee
Nov 04 12:16:37 <freakout> d
Nov 04 12:17:01 <freakout> rwhitby: I still can't make my PC see the Pre over USB. But can I enter that Luna command you were interested in into the ondevice terminal?
Nov 04 12:17:39 <freakout> rwhitby: also, I'm putting up a brief post on the new Preware package manger right this instant. I know it incorporates fair dinkum now - anything else of interest you'd like to see in there?
Nov 04 12:18:05 <freakout> (my server access was *finally* fixed. hooray.)
Nov 04 12:18:18 <rwhitby> it selects the correct feed as per the running webOS version automatically
Nov 04 12:18:33 <rwhitby> (i.e. therefore working for 1.1.3 patches out of the box now)
Nov 04 12:18:40 <freakout> I noticed :)
Nov 04 12:18:40 <rwhitby> the correct webos-patches feed that is
Nov 04 12:18:52 * freakout has been using it happily
Nov 04 12:20:42 <freakout> rwhitby: I tried to type in that Luna-send telephony command into the Terminal, but I can't get the right symbols for the parentheses. is there a trick I'm missing...?
Nov 04 12:21:09 <rwhitby> dunno, I don't use Terminal much.
Nov 04 12:22:05 <freakout> Annoyingly, every time I plug the Pre into my desktop machine, it crashes the whole USB infrastructure. my wireless goes down, my SD card reader goes down, the external HDD goes down...
Nov 04 12:22:28 <freakout> so I have it plugged into my Eee (first-gen).
Nov 04 12:22:38 <freakout> Which doesn't have enough space left on the HDD for the SDK
Nov 04 12:25:44 <freakout> rwhitby: one last question. What's the new ceiling with Fair Dinkum now? was it 100mb or 90%... ?
Nov 04 12:26:26 <rwhitby> 100MiB free space
Nov 04 12:26:37 <freakout> gotcha.
Nov 04 12:28:53 <freakout> http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9979/latest-preware-service-is-fair-dinkum-mate/
Nov 04 12:32:18 <freakout> rwhitby: one last thing. You got a link to the stand-alone installer? my own appears to be wrong....
Nov 04 12:33:48 <rwhitby> http://get.preware.org/
Nov 04 12:34:32 <rwhitby> freakout: 100MiB *free*, not 100MiB used.
Nov 04 12:35:27 <en0x> hmm
Nov 04 12:35:39 <freakout> nodnod
Nov 04 12:35:40 <en0x> i don't even know why i have installed that fair dinkum
Nov 04 12:36:06 <rwhitby> I wouldn't.
Nov 04 12:36:44 <en0x> i gotta remove it but it speeds up the installation of apps from app catalog
Nov 04 12:37:02 <en0x> becauyse when you want to download some apps from app catalog it hangs the pre for a minute or so
Nov 04 12:37:12 <freakout> done.
Nov 04 12:58:56 <rwhitby> en0x: package manager service now fixes the hang
Nov 04 13:00:11 <en0x> oh so i can safely remove fair dinkum
Nov 04 13:01:11 <rwhitby> latest package manager service should have done that automatically
Nov 04 13:02:07 <en0x> i havent even checked i just updated it
Nov 04 13:10:25 <freakout_wIRC> Hello. Anyone here right now?
Nov 04 13:11:02 <freakout_wIRC> I'm about to take a wIRC screenshot for a blog post. It'd be nice if it wasn't all my own messages...
Nov 04 13:11:28 <en0x> yey
Nov 04 13:11:33 <rwhitby> freakout_wIRC: It's great that Jason has been able to find the time to write wIRC ;-)
Nov 04 13:11:45 <en0x> true
Nov 04 13:11:54 <freakout_wIRC> rwhitby: lol. The man is unstoppable.
Nov 04 13:12:16 <freakout_wIRC> rwhitby: the real question is when you're going to give him credit as the brains behind Preware. :p
Nov 04 13:12:44 <rwhitby> freakout_wIRC: have you ever seen us both in the same room ?
Nov 04 13:12:58 * freakout_wIRC 's mind boggles
Nov 04 13:15:40 <rwhitby> freakout_wIRC: BTW, did you hear about the latest features of Preware and the Package Manager Service?  They automatically select the correct webos-patches feed for your webOS version now, meaning that GSM Pre owners can see the webOS 1.1.3 patches ...
Nov 04 13:15:59 <rwhitby> Some guy wrote an article about it at http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9979/latest-preware-service-is-fair-dinkum-mate/
Nov 04 13:16:58 <freakout_wIRC> rwhitby: I saw that. But I don't trust that guy. He seems like a bit of an idiot, frankly.
Nov 04 13:17:17 <rwhitby> freakout_wIRC: what do you expect, with those shorts he wears ...
Nov 04 13:17:29 <freakout_wIRC> Lol
Nov 04 13:18:17 <freakout> Don't show oil this one... http://pic.gd/df1444
Nov 04 13:19:21 * rwhitby bbt
Nov 04 13:20:47 <freakout> night
Nov 04 13:26:26 <oc80z> whats good
Nov 04 13:26:53 <oc80z> lawl
Nov 04 13:27:01 <oc80z> not gunna openit
Nov 04 13:42:25 <uint32> Hey can someone help me with getting my app in the preware repo?
Nov 04 13:49:21 <freakout> uint32: someone here probably can, but i don't think anyone's around right now
Nov 04 13:50:43 <freakout> fyi, all: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9978/homebrew-app-preview-wirc/
Nov 04 14:06:54 <Roy-Pre101> freakout: Nice, but seriously:  its'   That's not even close to a right spelling of its
Nov 04 14:21:24 <sugardave> it's a LITTLE close, just one extra entity
Nov 04 15:04:55 <v4lyfe2> my lunasysmgr keeps crashing witha  bus error
Nov 04 15:05:13 <v4lyfe2> i can catch it in gdb but the phone reboots, is there anyway to change how long before a reboot?
Nov 04 15:05:56 <egaudet> freakout, you are gonna get it!
Nov 04 15:06:04 * egaudet off to work
Nov 04 15:49:46 <ni|> hey all
Nov 04 15:52:59 <Templarian> hello.
Nov 04 15:55:32 <ni|> rwhitby: got a pre
Nov 04 15:55:37 <ni|> not gsm
Nov 04 16:01:38 <Templarian> ni|: he has both.
Nov 04 16:01:59 <Templarian> Oh you mean you got a Pre... hehe.
Nov 04 16:02:02 <ni|> :)
Nov 04 16:15:25 <jettero> Just dropped my pree and scratched the shit out of the touch screen area. :)
Nov 04 16:15:43 <jettero> is there anything can be done about that besides replacing the phone?  iirc, the digitizer is attached to the cover...
Nov 04 16:17:34 <AnOutsider> ive doen the same, often
Nov 04 16:17:43 <AnOutsider> theys eem to wear down after a while and become less noticable
Nov 04 16:17:50 <PuffTheMagic> jettero: yup there
Nov 04 16:17:51 <AnOutsider> as for solution, when you know, let me know haha
Nov 04 16:17:52 <PuffTheMagic> is
Nov 04 16:17:56 <PuffTheMagic> its plastic
Nov 04 16:18:08 <PuffTheMagic> there are many solvents that will etc away plastic
Nov 04 16:18:23 <PuffTheMagic> just get one and rub it on there still the scratches disolve away
Nov 04 16:18:24 <jettero> oh, so rub it out with a solvent?
Nov 04 16:18:30 <jettero> that's not bad thinking
Nov 04 16:18:39 <sugardave> just don't get the ones that will var it away
Nov 04 16:18:41 <jettero> I'm going to go with AnOutsider plan for now
Nov 04 16:19:15 <jettero> it's actually kindof a relief
Nov 04 16:19:32 <jettero> now I don't have to feel guilty for not using those stupid screen covers I hate so much -- it's already scratched.  Nothing to protect
Nov 04 16:20:39 <PuffTheMagic> removing scratches from plastic is easy
Nov 04 16:20:49 <PuffTheMagic> be glad u dont have a glass screen like the ipHone
Nov 04 16:20:54 <jettero> :)
Nov 04 16:21:02 <PuffTheMagic> onlything that etches glass is HF acid
Nov 04 16:21:04 <jettero> how thick is the plastic?
Nov 04 16:21:16 <jettero> won't a solvent just eat right through it?
Nov 04 16:27:50 <ni|> PuffTheMagic: so what projects need doing
Nov 04 16:56:14 <flpalm> does anyone in here also hack around on Android internals?
Nov 04 19:12:15 <bpadalino|work> oh neat, chuqui .. amusing
Nov 04 19:21:43 <Jack87> rwhitby: are you around... or any other meta doctor users?
Nov 04 19:22:21 <Jack87> wow where is everyone
Nov 04 19:22:47 <Jack87> knock knock anyone home?
Nov 04 19:22:48 <gkatsev> Jack87: dead
Nov 04 19:23:35 <Jack87> so sad!
Nov 04 19:23:50 <gkatsev> RIP everyone
Nov 04 19:23:52 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 04 19:25:02 <Jack87> gkatsev: are you pretty familiar with linux and running it in VM
Nov 04 19:25:24 <gkatsev> Jack87: sure
Nov 04 19:25:50 <Jack87> tell me if this statement is true or false...
Nov 04 19:25:53 * Robi_ wakes up
Nov 04 19:26:14 <Jack87> If you are running Ubuntu in a VM, you will need to copy the new jar out of the VM into your live desktop to run the jar in your native OS.
Nov 04 19:26:14 <Jack87>     Using terminal in the VM copy the following command:
Nov 04 19:26:20 <Jack87> cp /meta-doctor/build/pre-p100eww-sprint-1.2.1/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.2.1.jar /host/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.2.1.jar
Nov 04 19:26:54 <Jack87> i really do not think that would work running in VM (VMware/VBOX)
Nov 04 19:26:55 <Robi_> unless you have set up usb passthrough
Nov 04 19:27:25 <Jack87> It seems like it should be directed to WUBI users
Nov 04 19:27:28 <Robi_> a vm can't access a host by default
Nov 04 19:27:37 <Jack87> which is what i had originally instructed but someone has edited it
Nov 04 19:28:16 <Jack87> so setting up usb pass through allows access to /host in VM? without network sharing the directories?
Nov 04 19:29:12 <Robi_> no
Nov 04 19:29:17 <Jack87> ok i didnt think so
Nov 04 19:29:33 <Robi_> no need to run the jar on the host if usb passthrough works, then the vm can "see" the Pre
Nov 04 19:29:41 <Jack87> ya i think i am going to change the instructions back to Wubi Users rather then VM users
Nov 04 19:29:57 <Jack87> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Prepare_to_run_the_new_Meta.27ed_Doctor
Nov 04 19:30:08 <Robi_> ow you need to figure out how to get the jar to where it's usefl
Nov 04 19:30:11 <gkatsev> non-OSS virtualbox has usb support
Nov 04 19:30:51 <Jack87> by default i had trouble running jar in ubuntu it kept opening in archiver app
Nov 04 19:31:22 <Robi_> probably didnt have java installed
Nov 04 19:31:34 <Jack87> I did install it
Nov 04 19:31:37 <destinal> I'd run "java -jar whatever.jar"
Nov 04 19:31:49 <Jack87> but default applicatoin to open was archiver itt didnt change to java
Nov 04 19:31:59 <Jack87> but none the less
Nov 04 19:32:08 <Jack87> so for simple users using wubi i think it be easier to copy the jar to a host OS and run it there
Nov 04 19:32:42 <Jack87> that way they will have access to it in the future without the need to boot into ubuntu
Nov 04 19:33:02 <Jack87> anyway so it shouldnt read VM users but rather WUBI like i had originally put
Nov 04 19:33:03 <Jack87> ?
Nov 04 19:33:08 <gkatsev> Jack87: default app for jar is archiver, you can change it in rightclick->properties->open with
Nov 04 19:33:56 <Jack87> right gkatsev. but like i said for simple first time users
Nov 04 19:34:35 <gkatsev> easy enough to change it...
Nov 04 19:34:56 <gkatsev> also, most people running linux will be able to handle going to file properties and changing that
Nov 04 19:35:06 <Jack87> haha none the less many ways to run the jar. the thing is getting the jar on the host OS simplest and lest painful way and avoiding confusion seems to be to copy and paste command to copy it to the host
Nov 04 19:35:43 <Robi_> why downloading it there in the first place?
Nov 04 19:35:59 <Jack87> the point i guess is the instructions if they were true or false.. as it stands its false since it says VM users
Nov 04 19:37:56 <Jack87> There needs to be new instructions for copying the jar to host os for vm users.
Nov 04 19:38:55 <gkatsev> easiest way, i believe, is from the host OS
Nov 04 19:46:44 <Jack87> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Prepare_to_run_the_new_Meta.27ed_Doctor
Nov 04 19:46:54 <Jack87> that should make better sense now
Nov 04 19:54:58 <Jack87> ok cleaned it up a little mentioned the need of having java installed
Nov 04 20:09:11 <preston> how do i get some wirc action on my pre?
Nov 04 20:11:41 <ni|> s/happy/sad/g
Nov 04 20:12:05 <ni|> s/'s/happy/sad/g'/'s/sad/happy/g'/g
Nov 04 20:12:14 <ni|> where are you bot
Nov 04 20:12:19 <ni|> i'm trying to have you recurse
Nov 04 20:13:14 <gkatsev> ni|: the bot only corrects your last statement
Nov 04 20:13:43 <oil> ~botsnack
Nov 04 20:13:43 <infobot> oil: :)
Nov 04 20:14:04 <gkatsev> s/your/my/
Nov 04 20:14:04 <infobot> gkatsev meant: ni|: the bot only corrects my last statement
Nov 04 20:14:27 <gkatsev> :)
Nov 04 20:14:59 <ni|> gkatsev: s/happy/sad/g was my last statement there...
Nov 04 20:15:01 <ni|> hence recursion
Nov 04 20:15:12 <ni|> :P
Nov 04 20:15:34 <gkatsev> ah, lol. i guess the bot isnt smart enough
Nov 04 20:17:14 <oil> s/snack/smack/
Nov 04 20:17:14 <infobot> oil meant: ~botsmack
Nov 04 20:17:18 <oil> aww
Nov 04 20:17:32 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 04 20:18:48 <preston> +oil, is it possible for me to get wirc on my pre, or is it too soon?
Nov 04 20:19:09 <oil> its probably possible
Nov 04 20:19:19 <oil> there is no release yet though
Nov 04 20:19:55 <preston> then i'll wait. i would likely just end up needing support and i'm pretty sure you guys have more important things to do.
Nov 04 20:20:34 <oil> like actually write it :)
Nov 04 20:20:55 <destinal> gkatsev: it's still possible to do fun things with regular expressions with the bot though :)
Nov 04 20:21:04 <preston> right
Nov 04 20:21:09 <destinal> s/./x/g
Nov 04 20:21:25 <destinal> s/g/G/g
Nov 04 20:21:25 <infobot> destinal meant: Gkatsev: it's still possible to do fun thinGs with reGular expressions with the bot thouGh :)
Nov 04 20:29:59 <drnull> so I saw 2 more people are complaining about another 1.2.1 update being forced. I'm still without update after removing DmTree.xml and resetting state to 0.  Is there anybody in here who is having another update forced today and wants to try something different?
Nov 04 20:31:58 <Jack87> drnull: what version are you currently running that you do not want 1.2.1
Nov 04 20:33:01 <balrog-k1n> just say NO to automatic updates
Nov 04 20:33:02 <drnull> Jack87: I have 1.2.1 - I was referring to the continual updates that some people are getting
Nov 04 20:33:31 <Jack87> drnull: oh :)
Nov 04 20:33:35 <drnull> And that I used to get, I was just hoping somebody else still had the problem and was willing to try a solution (since I can't recreate the problem anymore)
Nov 04 21:04:07 <lingfish> Mornin
Nov 04 21:08:35 <freakout> rwhitby: Preware standalone installer doesn't work on Win7?
Nov 04 21:14:44 <lingfish> Tim!
Nov 04 21:28:48 <Khalil> I updated to 0.9.5 and now gets stuck at updating feeds
Nov 04 21:31:49 <sugardave> drive-by complaint?
Nov 04 21:32:01 <lingfish> heh
Nov 04 21:41:16 <destinal> I think some of the feeds aren't responding -- we really need to give the service more control of the update process
Nov 04 21:41:47 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: your c service would probably be the best answer for that
Nov 04 21:43:49 <freakout> lingfish!
Nov 04 21:44:35 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: yeah, someday we will transition to it
Nov 04 21:45:48 <lingfish> :)
Nov 04 21:52:05 <lingfish> freakout: privmsg ;)
Nov 04 22:01:08 <balrog-k1n> is anyone working on an Xserver for webOS?
Nov 04 22:08:45 <Rick_work> balrog-k1n  not that we have heard of
Nov 04 22:11:52 <egaudet_work> on freakout's post, a guy commented:  "Native C" enough said
Nov 04 22:12:06 <freakout> eguadet_work: lol, yep
Nov 04 22:12:12 <egaudet_work> I don't get it
Nov 04 22:12:29 <freakout> egaudet_work: isn't the service in C?
Nov 04 22:12:35 <egaudet_work> is that enough said in a "OH no not native code" tone, or an enough said in a "OH yes C wahoo!" tone
Nov 04 22:12:38 * freakout has a heck of a correction to make otherwise...
Nov 04 22:12:46 <freakout> ohhh
Nov 04 22:13:02 <freakout> that's a "Palm, release the native SDK already" tone ;)
Nov 04 22:13:08 <freakout> skeezix is an old-timey PalmOS dev
Nov 04 22:13:21 <freakout> made a few useful little apps back in the day...
Nov 04 22:13:37 <egaudet_work> ahh ok cool
Nov 04 22:13:40 <egaudet_work> you are still gonna get it
Nov 04 22:13:47 <egaudet_work> :p
Nov 04 22:13:49 <freakout> lol
Nov 04 22:14:19 * freakout passes eguadet_work PuffTheMagic 's knife
Nov 04 22:15:00 <freakout> Y'know, egaudet_work, if I posted that at Precentral there'd be a flood of positive comments
Nov 04 22:15:08 <freakout> I can see page counts. I know people are reading it
Nov 04 22:15:19 <freakout> but it's a much more bitter / negative crowd at Infocenter.
Nov 04 22:15:45 <egaudet_work> hehe, as long as people don't come asking for support yet :P
Nov 04 22:16:00 <freakout> I can't decide which I like better: unrelenting sycophants who praise everything Palm, or the never-ending bitterness of the haters...
Nov 04 22:16:25 <freakout> egaudet_work: heh, that's why I didn't post any download / channel links
Nov 04 22:16:28 <freakout> you guys are busy enough
Nov 04 22:22:21 <PuffTheMagic> freakout: linky?
Nov 04 22:22:34 <destinal> freakout: I'll second him and say: "Palm, release the source to the operating system already".  I think that the free enhancements they'd get would far outweigh any theoretical loss of some other company making a compatible handset
Nov 04 22:24:51 <destinal> egaudet_wirc: your client doesn't reply to ctcp version
Nov 04 22:25:00 <freakout> PuffTheMagic: to the article? http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9978/homebrew-app-preview-wirc/
Nov 04 22:25:19 <freakout> destinal: yep.
Nov 04 22:25:20 <destinal> egaudet_wirc: you lose a lot of intrinsic bragging rights that way :)
Nov 04 22:25:39 <freakout> destinal: I've made a few attempts at a draft on the LGPL issues, but I don't like how I sound.
Nov 04 22:25:57 <freakout> I've taken today off work to play with the Pre, so I'm gonna have the time to rework it to my liking I think.
Nov 04 22:26:09 <freakout> (that draft, that is)
Nov 04 22:26:36 <destinal> it's hard to both ensure your tone is positive towards palm while also bitching them out for not complying with open source licenses :P
Nov 04 22:26:47 <destinal> I had to walk that line in my email correspondence with them as well
Nov 04 22:27:13 <freakout> lol. yep. but also I was thinking of pinging some well known OSS peeps for their opinions too
Nov 04 22:27:20 <freakout> and Palm themselves for official comment
Nov 04 22:28:07 <destinal> herald welte is LaF0rge here and runs gpl-violations.org.  I think you'd find he has valuable insight.
Nov 04 22:28:26 <destinal> s/hera/hara/
Nov 04 22:28:26 <infobot> destinal meant: harald welte is LaF0rge here and runs gpl-violations.org.  I think you'd find he has valuable insight.
Nov 04 22:29:06 <PuffTheMagic> yeah i fail to stay positive ;)
Nov 04 22:29:07 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: Precentral Round Table ;)
Nov 04 22:34:29 <destinal> my biggest questions revolve around webkit / webcore.   I think Palm has a requirement to distribute complete corresponding code for that along with the libraries it is built on.  (any code which just uses those libs doesn't need to be distributed, but everything needed to make it build the same thing that palm distributes is)  Unfortunately, there are some things such as libpiranha (graphics lib) that palm is holding back, and it doesn't compil
Nov 04 22:35:56 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: at some point we should go through all the open source packages palm provides and note which ones are complete / corresponding (they build and run) and which ones aren't
Nov 04 22:37:55 <destinal> ~test
Nov 04 22:37:56 <infobot> Failed!
Nov 04 22:40:29 <Rick_work> destinal  re webkit webcore
Nov 04 22:40:33 <Rick_work> don't beat on them yet.
Nov 04 22:40:54 <Rick_work> because according to Dion and Ben and Chuq and Nathan and Steve, they're working on upgrading to webkit trunk
Nov 04 22:41:03 <Rick_work> and we don't want to do anything to slow that just now.
Nov 04 22:41:06 <Rick_work> THEN beat on them
Nov 04 22:41:57 <destinal> Rick_work: sounds reasonable
Nov 04 22:42:33 <destinal> there's plenty of security issues in the old versions for one, and lots of new features in the new
Nov 04 22:42:48 <destinal> beatings can wait :P
Nov 04 22:44:15 <freakout> Rick_work did they mention any timeframes? vague or otherwise?
Nov 04 22:44:57 <freakout> rwhitby: that luna-send command you wanted me to check? froze up the WOSQI command-line. is it meant to take ages to get a result?
Nov 04 22:45:57 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: what's the thing about wirc and EVDO strangeness?
Nov 04 22:51:41 <freakout> destinal: is there a way to get the { } parentheses in the webOS Terminal?
Nov 04 22:57:07 <freakout> actually, I'll throw that question open to everyone, since everyone suddenly seems to have run away....
Nov 04 23:02:10 <zsoc> yarrrgh
Nov 04 23:02:43 <zsoc> apparently /dev/null is actually very useful
Nov 04 23:03:54 <lingfish> What does everyone think about this Rebel SIM card option?
Nov 04 23:06:16 <Puffy_wIRC> destinal: the issue with evdo/1x is related to a select() timeout
Nov 04 23:07:17 <freakout> zsoc: O RLY?
Nov 04 23:07:30 <Puffy_wIRC> its a balance of low latency in the gui with working on slow connections
Nov 04 23:10:56 <zsoc> freakout, yea rly
Nov 04 23:11:11 <Puffy_wIRC> destinal: lower select timeout = lower latency respomding to commands but on initial connect it causes a failure to connect on slow connections
Nov 04 23:21:30 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ping
Nov 04 23:22:38 <rwhitby> dBsooner: syn|ack
Nov 04 23:24:42 <dBsooner> rwhitby it will have to be in pc
Nov 04 23:24:43 <dBsooner> pm*
Nov 04 23:44:14 <aYellowBanana> whoah. Lot more people since I've last been here.
Nov 04 23:44:54 <Abyssul> Am I the only person excited for webos 1.3.1?
Nov 04 23:45:05 <jauderho> well no
Nov 04 23:45:12 <sugardave> I doubt it
Nov 04 23:45:30 <Abyssul> Seems promising, although its like that everytime they offer a update lol
Nov 04 23:45:58 <Abyssul> though the first two .1 increments were not much improvements for my usability.
Nov 04 23:46:08 <Abyssul> I dont use EAS and stuff lol
Nov 04 23:48:03 <aYellowBanana> anyone here know where to get Blackberry unlock code generators? I have difficultly comprehending how faggot services like "unlockyourphone" and shit exist, and are paid to unlock. Where do they get the codes?
Nov 04 23:48:22 <Abyssul> Google
Nov 04 23:49:05 * aYellowBanana spits on Abyssul
Nov 04 23:49:17 <aYellowBanana> I found that extremely insulting. Do you think I haven't tried that?
Nov 04 23:49:28 <aYellowBanana> if you can google up blackberry unlock codes, you are a God.
Nov 05 00:06:58 <destinal> ~seen chuqui
Nov 05 00:07:00 <infobot> i haven't seen 'chuqui', destinal
Nov 05 00:27:22 <freakout> destinal: try Adora if you're looking for a Palm person...
Nov 05 00:27:27 * freakout waves
Nov 05 00:29:37 <Eguy> freakout
Nov 05 00:29:47 <freakout> Eguy
Nov 05 00:31:56 <roon> Is there a way to package c/c++ modules in a released (Palm App Catalog) app?
Nov 05 00:32:29 <destinal> roon: no
Nov 05 00:33:46 <destinal> roon: there's no official binary SDK, and palm's catalog doesn't provide any mechanism for installing anything but mojo apps.   you can release such apps as homebrew but not on the palm catalog as of yet
Nov 05 00:34:35 <roon> That confirms my suspicion.
Nov 05 00:35:04 <bpadalino> suspicion ?
Nov 05 00:35:30 <roon> suspition ?
Nov 05 00:35:50 <bpadalino> no i mean't .. what were you suspicious about ?
Nov 05 00:36:04 <_droO> pre
Nov 05 00:36:06 <_droO> its a sham!
Nov 05 00:36:10 <_droO> ;o
Nov 05 00:36:11 <roon> I suspected that this was the case.  You confirmed it.
Nov 05 00:36:19 <bpadalino> ah - ok
Nov 05 00:37:31 <bpadalino> you could try talking to chuq and see if you can make a deal with them
Nov 05 00:37:51 <bpadalino> obviously PDF viewer and classic .. and other such plugins have C++ backends
Nov 05 00:38:00 <roon> chuq is a Palm guy?
Nov 05 00:38:34 <bpadalino> http://twitter.com/chuq
Nov 05 00:45:26 <dBsooner> Chuq is awesome
Nov 05 00:50:58 <_droO> except he denied my early sdk request ::shakes fist!::
Nov 05 00:51:18 <bpadalino> why did he reject you ?
Nov 05 00:51:42 <_droO> because none of my apps are currently in the app store, which i understand since they want people who are actually selling apps to get it first
Nov 05 00:51:54 <_droO> but at the same time i dont think it would hurt to give it to other people still developing too :/
Nov 05 00:51:55 <bpadalino> ah
Nov 05 00:52:07 <dBsooner> Limited room.
Nov 05 00:52:23 <_droO> ya, but palm sets how limited that room is ;p
Nov 05 00:54:13 <_droO> oh well, maybe ill submit an app soon :o or someone will add my email to their dev list :D ;o
Nov 05 01:02:44 <roon> Did anyone here attend the Sprint Conference last week?
Nov 05 01:04:15 <roon> Anything new discussed there? scuttlebutt?
Nov 05 01:04:19 <dBsooner> Rick_work did roon
Nov 05 01:10:57 <Flashpass> I was there
Nov 05 01:11:53 <egaudet> What's a good threshold limit for how long to wait for a client to establish a socket connection with a host?
Nov 05 01:11:58 <egaudet> 1 second? 3 seconds?
Nov 05 01:12:44 <_droO> hm
Nov 05 01:12:52 <_droO> most things seem a bit longer
Nov 05 01:13:17 <egaudet> not the overall "stop trying" timeout
Nov 05 01:13:33 <_droO> oh;o
Nov 05 01:15:36 <destinal> egaudet: in most apps / tcp stacks,  the "how long to wait" is the timeout
Nov 05 01:16:44 <destinal> 120 seconds.  but if you mean you're doing something async and want to poll a separate process that will have connected,you could try polling it every few seconds I guess
Nov 05 01:16:47 <egaudet> well I mean for instance most irc clients will try to reconnect for a while, maybe forever after you disconnect right?
Nov 05 01:17:57 <destinal> for the socket, usually just the socket timeout.  if it can't connect by then, there's a network issue or the remote host isn't responding
Nov 05 01:17:58 <_droO> mirc tries forever i believe, i dunno about xchat/bitchx/irssi
Nov 05 01:18:13 <egaudet> the socket is being connected non-blocking, and then select used to see when the connection is active.  On a per session/server basis.  Should select timeout after a few seconds and then retry the process or should select not timeout until like 120 seconds
Nov 05 01:19:04 <destinal> I'd do the latter, you should never assume that a network connection will behave in its ideal way.  someone could have a dial on demand wifi router, for instance
Nov 05 01:19:40 <_droO> or shitty evdo ;o
Nov 05 01:19:42 <destinal> a long timeout like most tcp stacks work would tend to make the most sense to me
Nov 05 01:20:37 <jauderho> the pre has a fairly standard tcp setup.
Nov 05 01:20:57 <jauderho> sysctl -a should show you the current settings.
Nov 05 01:20:58 <jauderho> i
Nov 05 01:21:00 <jauderho> 
Nov 05 01:21:01 <jauderho> 
Nov 05 01:21:03 <jauderho> if
Nov 05 01:21:04 <jauderho> a
Nov 05 01:21:05 <jauderho> ny
Nov 05 01:21:13 <jauderho> doh. stupid client
Nov 05 01:22:03 <jauderho> if anything, it tends to hold on to the connections for a fairly long time. i.e. long time_wait/fin_wait2
Nov 05 01:22:45 <egaudet> destinal, will being in select() for a long period of time effect anything else negatively
Nov 05 01:23:06 <egaudet> I assume not and the separate sessions are threaded
Nov 05 01:27:50 <destinal> ah, well a select() timeout can be a LOT shorter, since the socket can buffer your input until you're ready for it
Nov 05 01:30:13 <destinal> i haven't really looked at the C code you guys are using yet though.  I've done a little bit of C socket programming but not that much  (usually in higher level languages)
Nov 05 01:32:04 <egaudet> it's in libircclient, basically they use 250ms for select timeout, and they use it to determine successful connection, but never retry the sockets while connecting, only while connected
Nov 05 01:34:38 <egaudet> so the 250ms timer goes off, then the code sees nothing was in the buffers and it is in connecting state so it's an error.  Obviously I want to change this so I just want to make sure we come up with the best solution for it
Nov 05 01:35:20 <destinal> ah.  yeah, you could increase the timeout without much issue I think, but I believe it would delay successful connections from returning as well
Nov 05 01:36:05 <destinal> depending on what the select parameters were
Nov 05 01:36:52 <egaudet> I think it's only setting the writefd for that socket, so it should return once connected regardless of timeout value
Nov 05 01:37:55 <egaudet> but the select code is in a loop that is processing the connected data too, so it'd have to change to use 2 different timeouts based on status is connecting or connected
Nov 05 01:43:38 <jauderho> gak. converting a mp4 for playback on the pre is proving to be more of a pain than I expected.
Nov 05 01:51:39 <jettero> jauderho: I figured it out ...
Nov 05 01:52:00 <jauderho> yeah? how
Nov 05 01:52:03 <jettero> hrm, can't find my settings, ...
Nov 05 01:52:14 <jauderho> I just tried using quicktime x to convert to m4v
Nov 05 01:52:24 <jauderho> and it loses the video. audio is retained.
Nov 05 01:52:49 <jauderho> hell I can't even play it (the m4v file) back on the mac itself
Nov 05 01:52:59 <jettero> oh, I used ffmpeg
Nov 05 01:53:07 <jettero> handbreak would work
Nov 05 01:53:19 <jauderho> handbrake just flat out crashes.
Nov 05 01:53:24 <jauderho> wth.
Nov 05 01:54:03 <jettero> well, that doesn't happen for me, dunno what you did to it ... ffmpeg -i dune.avi -vcodec libx264 -b 400k -aspect 1.5 -acodec libfaac -ab 128 -ar 48000 -ac -y -pass 1 dune-400.mp4
Nov 05 01:54:09 <jettero> then -pass 2
Nov 05 01:54:12 <jettero> then awesome
Nov 05 01:54:48 <jauderho> hmm
Nov 05 01:59:14 <dBsooner-Pre> rwhitby: ping
Nov 05 02:01:07 <dBsooner-Pre> did this go through?
Nov 05 02:18:57 <BoBoYsDaDDa> hello all
Nov 05 02:19:22 <BoBoYsDaDDa> so my phone updated and now all my plugins are gone but i get an error when trying to remove them so i can reinstall them
Nov 05 02:19:33 <oil> plugins?
Nov 05 02:19:39 <BoBoYsDaDDa> i'm sorry patches
Nov 05 02:19:45 <oil> epr?
Nov 05 02:19:55 <BoBoYsDaDDa> epr
Nov 05 02:20:01 <BoBoYsDaDDa> ??
Nov 05 02:20:08 <oil> emergency patch recovery
Nov 05 02:20:17 <oil> you can install it with preware and itl remove everything
Nov 05 02:21:08 <BoBoYsDaDDa> great thanks
Nov 05 02:21:26 <oil> good luck
Nov 05 02:21:46 <BoBoYsDaDDa> does it not work all the time?
Nov 05 02:22:07 <oil> idk if anyone has ever had problems with
Nov 05 02:22:10 <oil> with it*
Nov 05 02:22:16 <oil> i've never used it, and i didn't write it
Nov 05 02:22:23 <zsoc> it generally works
Nov 05 02:22:53 <jauderho> okay. handbrake svn now converts video but craps out on audio. i never knew video conversion would be this frustrating.
Nov 05 02:23:31 <BoBoYsDaDDa> why would u want to convert video and audio on the pre?
Nov 05 02:23:51 <jauderho> converting from full sized mp4 for playback on the pre
Nov 05 02:24:08 <BoBoYsDaDDa> but u want the converter to run on the pre and not the computer?
Nov 05 02:24:12 <jauderho> no
Nov 05 02:24:28 <jauderho> I am doing the conversion on the computer.
Nov 05 02:24:32 <_droO> is it going to be running on a server?
Nov 05 02:24:42 <jauderho> just having issues with the conversion.
Nov 05 02:24:43 <_droO> cause i think windows probably has a lot better video conversion software
Nov 05 02:24:45 <_droO> :/
Nov 05 02:25:05 <dBsooner> egaudet: ping
Nov 05 02:25:10 <egaudet> hi
Nov 05 02:25:22 <BoBoYsDaDDa> why not just use nero
Nov 05 02:25:35 <jauderho> _droO: what software? got a windows machine upstairs. I'm willing to use windows (ugh) =)
Nov 05 02:25:49 <dBsooner> egaudet: So Umm.. how are we going to handle two versions of 1.3.1?
Nov 05 02:25:56 <dBsooner> in APT
Nov 05 02:26:13 <egaudet> two versions
Nov 05 02:26:14 <egaudet> ?
Nov 05 02:26:19 <dBsooner> GSM and CDMA
Nov 05 02:26:22 * zsoc doesn't have video conversion issues
Nov 05 02:26:27 <egaudet> 1.3.1 is 1.3.1
Nov 05 02:26:31 <zsoc> maybe i'm just more picky about the formats i start out with ;)
Nov 05 02:26:35 <BoBoYsDaDDa> nero is a good video converter and the full version has a converter for taking mp4 to smaller size for playing on pda's ipods zune or psp
Nov 05 02:26:37 <jauderho> zsoc: THANKS =P
Nov 05 02:26:37 <rwhitby> dBsooner: same files as far as webOS is concerned
Nov 05 02:26:40 <_droO> what are you converting too
Nov 05 02:26:44 <_droO> .3gp?
Nov 05 02:26:47 <dBsooner> rwhitby: what about pixi?
Nov 05 02:26:47 <_droO> to*
Nov 05 02:26:51 <jauderho> from mp4 to mp4
Nov 05 02:26:55 <dBsooner> with the resulution differences
Nov 05 02:26:56 <rwhitby> dBsooner: same too
Nov 05 02:26:59 <_droO> oh
Nov 05 02:27:04 <jauderho> just need to reduce the resolution and bitrate
Nov 05 02:27:09 <dBsooner> so the actual DIFFERENCES are in prefs/databases
Nov 05 02:27:35 <egaudet> linux kernel
Nov 05 02:27:51 <jauderho> just noticed that the source mp4 appears to have 6 channels according to quicktime player x inspector
Nov 05 02:27:57 <egaudet> wrong window
Nov 05 02:27:58 * dBsooner loves rsync.
Nov 05 02:28:32 <dBsooner> rwhitby, egaudet: Either of you get any messages from Dieter?
Nov 05 02:28:50 <BoBoYsDaDDa> how do i use emergency patch recovery after i install it cause i can't find it
Nov 05 02:29:08 <oil> simply installing it is all it is
Nov 05 02:29:19 <egaudet> description
Nov 05 02:29:22 <dBsooner> BoBoYsDaDDa: You don't. It removes itself after it 'installs'
Nov 05 02:29:25 <rwhitby> BoBoYsDaDDa: did you read the description before you installed it?
Nov 05 02:29:38 <BoBoYsDaDDa> no thats why i'm looking it up again
Nov 05 02:29:39 <dBsooner> rwhitby: there's a description?
Nov 05 02:29:46 <dBsooner> xD
Nov 05 02:29:55 <BoBoYsDaDDa> ah ok all patches are gone cool
Nov 05 02:30:14 <rwhitby> BoBoYsDaDDa: next time, please at least read the immediate documentation that is right above the "install" button before asking here ...
Nov 05 02:30:33 <BoBoYsDaDDa> i will i normally do
Nov 05 02:31:14 * rwhitby considers releasing an app that removes all data, with that clearly stated in the description ;-)
Nov 05 02:31:36 <dBsooner> That would be awesome!
Nov 05 02:31:50 <dBsooner> ANd have it email us first
Nov 05 02:31:58 <dBsooner> or just hit a webpage
Nov 05 02:32:02 <dBsooner> so we can have a hit counter. ;)
Nov 05 02:32:23 <rwhitby> dBsooner: well, it will be running as root, so it could email the whole PalmDatabase file ...
Nov 05 02:32:32 <BoBoYsDaDDa> actually an app that reverts phone back to factory state would be nice
Nov 05 02:32:32 <dBsooner> HEHEHE
Nov 05 02:32:45 <dBsooner> BoBoYsDaDDa: there is one
Nov 05 02:32:50 <dBsooner> BoBoYsDaDDa: webOS Doctor
Nov 05 02:32:55 <BoBoYsDaDDa> oh well nvm then
Nov 05 02:33:04 <BoBoYsDaDDa> i'm new to this scene btw if u haven't noticed
Nov 05 02:33:07 <dBsooner> or just do the "Reset options"
Nov 05 02:33:12 <dBsooner> in Device Info
Nov 05 02:34:48 <rwhitby> dBsooner: reset stuff doesn't do much
Nov 05 02:35:12 <dBsooner> Just wipes /media/internal? ;)
Nov 05 02:36:22 <zsoc> "SUPER CRAZY AWESOME APP, BY JASON RODITAILLE", "Warning, this app will brick your phone. Never install it under any circumstances. Seriously, it breaks your stuff. You may lose the ability to have children. Just don't do it"
Nov 05 02:36:41 <BoBoYsDaDDa> rofl
Nov 05 02:36:44 <zsoc> (4 seconds later) Hey guys why doesn't my phone work?
Nov 05 02:36:59 <zsoc> OH MY GOD! WHAT HAPPENED TO MY STUFF?!
Nov 05 02:37:03 <dBsooner> zsoc: I would put my paycheck on the line that more than a handful of people would install that.
Nov 05 02:37:13 <dBsooner> 2 reasons.. 1, It's By Jason.
Nov 05 02:37:27 <dBsooner> 2) That description can't be serious.
Nov 05 02:38:22 <zsoc> I couldn't think of a better way to portmanteau Jason and Rod. I'm disappointed in myself.
Nov 05 02:39:10 <zsoc> ~dict portmanteau
Nov 05 02:39:13 <infobot> Dictionary 'portmanteau' (1 of 3): a new word formed by joining two others and combining their meanings; "`smog' is a blend of `smoke' and `fog'"; "`motel' is a portmanteau word made by combining `motor' and `hotel'"; "`brunch' is a well-known portmanteau" .
Nov 05 02:39:21 <dBsooner> thank you
Nov 05 02:39:26 <dBsooner> I had NO IDEA what tha tmeant
Nov 05 02:39:29 <dBsooner> ~botsnack
Nov 05 02:39:30 <infobot> dBsooner: thanks
Nov 05 02:40:05 <BoBoYsDaDDa> ~ud toiletwhore
Nov 05 02:40:32 <BoBoYsDaDDa> no urban dictionary? its so much more fun
Nov 05 02:40:48 <zsoc> BoBoYsDaDDa, we're at least mildly family friendly
Nov 05 02:40:57 <dBsooner> BoBoYsDaDDa: This is generally a family friendly establishment.
Nov 05 02:41:09 <BoBoYsDaDDa> i'll behave
Nov 05 02:41:10 <dBsooner> SOME of us get a little lazy with that.. *cough* PuffTheMagic *cough*
Nov 05 02:41:39 <zsoc> Nah, he just drinks too much.
Nov 05 02:41:43 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Nov 05 02:41:46 <PuffTheMagic> lazy with what?
Nov 05 02:41:59 <BoBoYsDaDDa> he said u have a potty mouth
Nov 05 02:42:09 <PuffTheMagic> yup
Nov 05 02:42:14 <rwhitby> dBsooner: it's ok, all the inappropriate language has moved to #wirc ...
Nov 05 02:42:26 <dBsooner> Hehehe.
Nov 05 02:42:32 <dBsooner> Good point rwhitby.
Nov 05 02:42:58 <Abyssul> where are the postinst placed in the Pre for patches?
Nov 05 02:43:13 <dBsooner> rwhitby: The odd thing is, he doesn't swear nearly as much in there.
Nov 05 02:43:29 <dBsooner> Abyssul: /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/
Nov 05 02:43:45 <dBsooner> org.webosinternals.<appid>.postinst
Nov 05 02:44:19 <Abyssul> I can't get this damn patch to install
Nov 05 02:44:26 <Abyssul> I even replaced the files to stock
Nov 05 02:44:40 <Abyssul> The patch isnt listed in Preware as installed either
Nov 05 02:45:16 <dBsooner> what patch?
Nov 05 02:45:23 <zsoc> what error?
Nov 05 02:45:30 <dBsooner> and that too
Nov 05 02:46:06 <Abyssul> One sec
Nov 05 02:46:08 <Abyssul> Let me copy it
Nov 05 02:46:22 <Abyssul> (Enter key for new line)
Nov 05 02:46:30 <Abyssul> It says its alread installed?
Nov 05 02:46:40 <Abyssul> and all the hunks suceed as well
Nov 05 02:46:44 <dBsooner> no, that just means the backup file is already there
Nov 05 02:46:52 <dBsooner> just a sec
Nov 05 02:48:12 <BoBoYsDaDDa> is there a patch that will make the little circle button wake up the phone instead of using the power button? if not i would really like that patch
Nov 05 02:48:44 <dBsooner> Abyssul: you got command line up?
Nov 05 02:48:51 <_droO> shake to power on would be cool too but not really since in ur pocket usually ;[
Nov 05 02:49:01 <Abyssul> yep
Nov 05 02:49:26 <dBsooner> Abyssul: ipkg -o /var list | grep new-line
Nov 05 02:49:40 <zsoc> How about a patch to not have my battery DRAIN while being plugged in.
Nov 05 02:49:40 <BoBoYsDaDDa> an excessive shake. but having the accellerometor on while the phone is asleep would really increase how short the battery life is and its short enough already
Nov 05 02:49:44 <Abyssul> org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-enter-key-for-new-line - 1.2.1-0 - Enter Key for New Line
Nov 05 02:50:08 <dBsooner> Abyssul: ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-enter-key-for-new-line
Nov 05 02:50:31 <Abyssul> Seems like it installed
Nov 05 02:50:31 <dBsooner> Abyssul: sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-enter-key-for-new-line.prerm
Nov 05 02:50:57 <Abyssul> Unreversed patch detected!
Nov 05 02:51:08 <dBsooner> Abyssul: no it didn't.. because postinst wasn't run
Nov 05 02:51:09 <dBsooner> Abyssul: good.. just press enter
Nov 05 02:51:16 <dBsooner> should be [N]
Nov 05 02:51:31 <Abyssul> Skipping the patch
Nov 05 02:51:33 * rwhitby loves tellbootie recover ...
Nov 05 02:51:44 <dBsooner> rwhitby: what did you do?
Nov 05 02:51:47 <dBsooner> Abyssul: good
Nov 05 02:51:57 <dBsooner> Abyssul: just keep pressing enter till it gets done
Nov 05 02:52:04 <dBsooner> let me know when that's over
Nov 05 02:52:04 <Abyssul> ok
Nov 05 02:52:07 <Abyssul> done
Nov 05 02:52:08 <rwhitby> dBsooner: puts it in recovery mode, ready for doctoring.
Nov 05 02:52:15 <dBsooner> rwhitby: you going to do it?
Nov 05 02:52:21 <dBsooner> rwhitby: let me know if its "worth it"
Nov 05 02:52:37 <dBsooner> Abyssul: ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-enter-key-for-new-line
Nov 05 02:52:59 <Abyssul> Done
Nov 05 02:53:05 <dBsooner> Abyssul: try to install from preware
Nov 05 02:53:31 <Abyssul> Should I pkill LunaSysMgr or restart Preware?
Nov 05 02:53:47 * rwhitby looses his Blocked high scores yet again ...
Nov 05 02:54:14 <dBsooner> rwhitby: Man you love those Games on your NonCellSite Pre.
Nov 05 02:54:17 <dBsooner> Abyssul: Nah.
Nov 05 02:54:27 <ird> http://uazu.net/sbagen/#dl_arm
Nov 05 02:54:36 <ird> Would that be possible to get working on the Pre?
Nov 05 02:54:43 <rwhitby> dBsooner: Blocked is about the only app that doesn't need a phone connection ...
Nov 05 02:54:51 <dBsooner> lol
Nov 05 02:54:54 <dBsooner> Yep
Nov 05 02:55:15 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ssh: connect to host 192.168.56.101 port 5522: Connection refused
Nov 05 02:55:18 <rwhitby> ird: no, it's arm, not armel, so wrong ABI
Nov 05 02:55:28 <ird> oh :(
Nov 05 02:55:33 <rwhitby> dBsooner: try localhost
Nov 05 02:55:52 <dBsooner> rwhitby: you sir.. are a genious.
Nov 05 02:56:03 <dBsooner> s/genious/genius/
Nov 05 02:56:04 <infobot> dBsooner meant: rwhitby: you sir.. are a genius.
Nov 05 02:56:05 <rwhitby> dBsooner: no, I just read the doco ...
Nov 05 02:56:13 <dBsooner> rwhitby: You have TIME to read it.
Nov 05 02:56:14 <zsoc> ird, besides, you could slip into psychosis
Nov 05 02:56:19 <dBsooner> I have AM to help nonstop. ;)
Nov 05 02:56:35 <ird> zsoc: are you serious?
Nov 05 02:56:43 * rwhitby chuckles about dBsooner thinking he has time for anything ...
Nov 05 02:56:59 <dBsooner> what's root's default pw?
Nov 05 02:57:01 <BoBoYsDaDDa> virtual keyboard keeps failing install
Nov 05 02:57:14 <zsoc> ird, i was just reading the warnings
Nov 05 02:57:15 <rwhitby> dBsooner: empty
Nov 05 02:57:31 <dBsooner> rwhitby: you know.. that makes sense
Nov 05 02:57:47 * dBsooner wget's Preware and ipkgserver
Nov 05 02:57:51 <zsoc> rwhitby, er... that package wouldn't work, but couldn't he just cross-compile the x86 source package?
Nov 05 02:57:53 <dBsooner> ipkgservice*
Nov 05 02:57:57 <dBsooner> Abyssul: you good?
Nov 05 02:58:02 <Abyssul> nope
Nov 05 02:58:04 <dBsooner> BoBoYsDaDDa: What's the error?
Nov 05 02:58:07 <Abyssul> Same error
Nov 05 02:58:15 <dBsooner> it's not removing the dir then
Nov 05 02:58:24 <rwhitby> zsoc: depends if it's an x86 source package, or just a source package ;-)
Nov 05 02:58:26 <Abyssul> I have WinSCP if that helps
Nov 05 02:58:40 <BoBoYsDaDDa> one sec i restarted luna to make sure other patches that installed and hadn't cleared through luna reset weren't causing a problem
Nov 05 02:59:17 <BoBoYsDaDDa> that made no sense. just a sec
Nov 05 02:59:20 <zsoc> rwhitby, heh, i see.
Nov 05 02:59:25 <dBsooner> Abyssul: go to: /usr/lib/ipkg/info
Nov 05 02:59:38 <Abyssul> k
Nov 05 02:59:48 <dBsooner> woops
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