**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 11 02:59:56 2009
Nov 11 03:00:06 <St0rmD> efb is "edit, eff beaten"
Nov 11 03:00:15 <trim-pre> ok I'll try now
Nov 11 03:00:45 <St0rmD> nm
Nov 11 03:01:07 <hckyplayer024> k sweet. it works thanks guys!
Nov 11 03:01:16 <trim-pre> hahah auto /join works
Nov 11 03:01:20 <St0rmD> gonna watch V and try to not throw rocks at my tv
Nov 11 03:01:55 <trim-pre> has anyone tried leaving this channel idling on the pre all day? does it slow down the pre?
Nov 11 03:01:55 <oil> i always try not to throw rocks at things i payed for
Nov 11 03:03:04 <zsoc> trim-pre, minimum.. although i find that through long bouts of sleep it tends to timeout
Nov 11 03:03:16 <St0rmD> I'll leave it idling to see what battery drain is like
Nov 11 03:03:39 <St0rmD> I expect i'll time out
Nov 11 03:03:47 <trim-pre> hmm, the timeout issue..what do you think it could be?
Nov 11 03:04:05 <trim-pre> does the chatlog auto deletes itself after so many lines?
Nov 11 03:04:06 <St0rmD> btw this is a nice client, I like the colors
Nov 11 03:04:15 <rwhitby> hehe
Nov 11 03:04:29 <trim-pre> yah definitely. this is a sweet client
Nov 11 03:04:30 <dBsooner> Aren't they the standard Palm themes? ;)
Nov 11 03:05:00 <Craftsman1234> agreed this is great guys.
Nov 11 03:05:04 <Sketh> But the fact that it's cool makes them "better"
Nov 11 03:06:55 <St0rmD> hmmm palm dark theme uses black text on dark gray background?
Nov 11 03:07:06 <St0rmD> don't like that choice.
Nov 11 03:07:28 <oil> it shouldn't be black
Nov 11 03:07:32 <oil> change the text color
Nov 11 03:08:04 <RobiPre> gray works well btw
Nov 11 03:08:16 <zsoc> i think i use.. azure? can't remember :P
Nov 11 03:08:49 <St0rmD> test
Nov 11 03:09:33 <St0rmD> test
Nov 11 03:09:46 <St0rmD> white is best for me
Nov 11 03:10:15 <RobiPre> too bright 4 me
Nov 11 03:10:49 <St0rmD> using small text it's not too bright
Nov 11 03:11:35 <St0rmD> ok going to anger myself with this retarded remake now
Nov 11 03:35:05 <smartwatermelon> greetings
Nov 11 03:35:18 <smartwatermelon> just testing out wIRC
Nov 11 03:35:28 <smartwatermelon> really nice work, guys :)
Nov 11 04:13:16 <Merlin_> Hello..  Anyone get wIRC working.  How do you set you?
Nov 11 04:13:57 <shaunooh> I think I have it working yaa
Nov 11 04:15:12 <Merlin_> if that post was from it you do.  How set up?  Irc:// in server?
Nov 11 04:16:01 <Merlin_> Hey haeffb, you using wIRC from Pre?
Nov 11 04:16:09 <entity-> merlin
Nov 11 04:16:17 <entity-> are you having trouble adding se4rvers to?
Nov 11 04:16:57 <shaunooh> what kind of trouble?
Nov 11 04:17:08 <Merlin_> I get "connected...disconnected" from wIRC.  I figure my server config must be bad.
Nov 11 04:17:32 <entity-> the wheels jsut spins
Nov 11 04:17:35 <entity-> and it sits there
Nov 11 04:17:41 <Merlin_> can someone layout what they put in each field?
Nov 11 04:17:50 <Merlin_> I have tried:
Nov 11 04:18:06 <shaunooh> I did to, but I think I put in bogus server name
Nov 11 04:18:41 <entity-> i have tried like 4 or five
Nov 11 04:18:48 <entity-> irc.link-net.org
Nov 11 04:19:41 <MerlinMM> Never mind (this is Merlin).  I'm IN!
Nov 11 04:20:21 <Merlin_> Bye bye horrible web intergace!
Nov 11 04:21:32 <haeffb-wIRC> Test
Nov 11 04:23:08 <MerlinMM> Probably not on now but if anyone knows him..  Nice job Eric, Ryan and Brandon.
Nov 11 04:23:57 <MerlinMM> haeffb-wIRC: Test came through.
Nov 11 04:26:02 <MerlinMM> Bye all.
Nov 11 04:57:14 <Ari__>      /msg nickserv register <123456> <arimoshe@gmail.com>
Nov 11 04:58:31 <direwolf790> howdy
Nov 11 05:00:47 <direwolf790> so its been a long time since I last used irc... but this is a nice client so far
Nov 11 05:02:12 <oil> :)
Nov 11 05:23:31 <Sameeh> wow just downloaded irc for Pre. Thanks WebOS-Internals
Nov 11 05:24:28 <dwolf79> Seriously... So far so good.. Have hit a bug or two but otherwise its pretty darn good
Nov 11 05:24:30 <popinadam> Does anyone have a tutorial for bypassing the pre's profile/activation screen for an inactive pre? anything that can be done in windows only please.
Nov 11 05:25:22 <dwolf79> popinadam: I think there is something for that on the internals site
Nov 11 05:25:31 <Sameeh> @popinadam you talking abt gsm or cdma to be activated on Cricket?
Nov 11 05:26:10 <popinadam> its a cdma pre, i just am not activating it on any network currently but i want to still play around with the phone itself
Nov 11 05:26:47 <Sameeh> is it a brand new (never activated) Pre?
Nov 11 05:26:58 <popinadam> negative, used
Nov 11 05:27:28 <dwolf79> Yeah sorry.. Just looked at it myself
Nov 11 05:27:44 <Sameeh> it should be active. I have Pre that I had it activated but switched phone on another line. still use it with wifi
Nov 11 05:28:02 <Sameeh> no issues
Nov 11 05:28:25 <popinadam> right but the phone is asking for me to create a profile, which i cant do since it's not active
Nov 11 05:30:21 <Sameeh> hmm. that is tricky. it was reformatted and only can be activated while on the network. I would search WebOS-Internals site for help
Nov 11 05:31:48 <popinadam> so far from what i've seen i need a mac or linux machine
Nov 11 05:32:23 <sdodson> what about a vm within something like virtualbox with usb pass through?
Nov 11 05:32:57 <dwolf79> Well you might be able to cygwin your way past that or use a ..... Yup sdodson is reading my mind
Nov 11 05:33:34 <popinadam> *whoosh* whao, did you see that? way over my head right there. have no idea what you're talking about
Nov 11 05:33:52 <Sameeh> lolzzz
Nov 11 05:34:14 <Sameeh> all I see is smoke over my head.
Nov 11 05:34:16 <Sameeh> haha
Nov 11 05:35:05 <popinadam> is cygwin compatible with win 7?
Nov 11 05:35:18 <_droO> http://wubi-installer.org/
Nov 11 05:35:32 <_droO> Sameeh-this is probably your easiest answer if you're on windows, but NEED linux. http://wubi-installer.org/
Nov 11 05:35:47 <_droO> or just use a livecd?
Nov 11 05:35:47 <Sameeh> pop; to be honest anything on win7 will be difficult at the moment
Nov 11 05:36:14 <PuffTheMagic> you could learn Linux before win7 works
Nov 11 05:36:37 <dwolf79> Yeah live cd or vbox sounds like the plan
Nov 11 05:37:41 <popinadam> guess i'll have some reading up to do, dang
Nov 11 05:37:54 <popinadam> thanks for the couple options!
Nov 11 05:38:10 <PuffTheMagic> dwolf79: just go all out an install it for real
Nov 11 05:38:21 <PuffTheMagic> right over that win7 install
Nov 11 05:39:01 <dwolf79> All for it myself... I only run windows in vm's
Nov 11 05:39:16 <dwolf79> And new distro's
Nov 11 05:39:43 <Sameeh> hey guys is there a patch that can be used to activate menu options. i.e long pressing H in browser activate History option etc.
Nov 11 05:39:56 <dwolf79> And half of my servers :)
Nov 11 05:39:58 <Sameeh> just like in old Palm OS
Nov 11 05:40:40 <dwolf79> Don't think so.. Well not yet...
Nov 11 05:47:26 <direwolf790> Alright that was a hard crash
Nov 11 05:48:17 <direwolf790> Ugh and I need to remember to reg. A nick doh
Nov 11 05:57:10 <rwhitby> freakout: ping
Nov 11 05:57:24 <freakout> rwhitby, yo
Nov 11 05:57:31 <freakout> hmm
Nov 11 05:57:48 <freakout-work> stuck here till 6pm tonight, doh.
Nov 11 05:58:29 <rwhitby> freakout-work: don't accept Jason's returning of the donations.  I told him to buy a touchstone with yours and my donations, and put a "Donated by Australia" sticker on it to remind him every day of how great Australians are.
Nov 11 05:58:40 <freakout-work> lmao
Nov 11 05:58:46 <rwhitby> freakout-work: agreed?
Nov 11 05:58:48 <freakout-work> I've already told him I won't
Nov 11 05:59:01 <rwhitby> done deal then.
Nov 11 05:59:08 * oil takes donations from australia
Nov 11 05:59:14 <freakout-work> transcript of what I told him...
Nov 11 05:59:30 <freakout-work> Seriously man Change your post, say you've got a testing one but since you've got such a great response you're leaving it open and if you get a GSM phone out of it, all the better No harm, no foul. or use the extra money to buy some spare batteries 'cause you're gonna need 'em lol  Jason:  I'm just gonna leave as is and close the post saying I got it cheap not too many donations, thankfully or things would've gotte
Nov 11 05:59:57 <freakout-work> lol
Nov 11 06:00:01 <freakout-work> I look at the list
Nov 11 06:00:05 <freakout-work> JayCanuck is here right now
Nov 11 06:00:10 <freakout-work> You listening JayCanuck?
Nov 11 06:00:15 <JayCanuck> lol
Nov 11 06:00:21 <JayCanuck> I had the window minimuzed
Nov 11 06:00:29 <JayCanuck> forgot I was even in irc
Nov 11 06:00:30 <rwhitby> he's too busy making the little sticker ...
Nov 11 06:00:33 <JayCanuck> lol
Nov 11 06:00:54 <freakout-work> oil: You'll get my donation when I can buy your apps :p
Nov 11 06:01:09 <rwhitby> freakout-work: if he wants batteries he's gonna have to write the PreCentral front-page article when we release Preware 1.0 ;-)
Nov 11 06:02:06 <oil> lol
Nov 11 06:02:27 <direwolf790> Will 1.0 do my laundry... The current version seems to do everything but... :)
Nov 11 06:02:52 <oil> yes, its got a "call freakout" button on it
Nov 11 06:03:20 <_droO> does he have google voice? so it forwards to his cell & home & work & also emails/txts him with transcripts?
Nov 11 06:03:29 <direwolf790> Awesome!!!!
Nov 11 06:04:03 <freakout-work> I have a special answering service for those calls oil
Nov 11 06:04:09 <freakout-work> Call forwarding to my mother
Nov 11 06:04:22 <freakout-work> Any caller will soon regret having dialled :p
Nov 11 06:04:33 <_droO> can she fix my internets?
Nov 11 06:04:35 <oil> she only washes shorts that are shorter then a half foot rhough
Nov 11 06:04:45 <freakout-work> lol
Nov 11 06:04:50 <oil> lol
Nov 11 06:04:56 <freakout-work> my mother hasn't washed my clothes since i was old enough to reach the buttons on the machine
Nov 11 06:04:57 <rwhitby> oil: the trouble with getting freakout-work to do your laundry is your trousers all come back as shorts ...
Nov 11 06:05:45 <direwolf790> Reminder to self: do not use th call freakout-work button
Nov 11 06:05:47 <freakout-work> rwhitby: lol
Nov 11 06:06:02 <oil> lol
Nov 11 06:06:07 <freakout-work> direwolf790: but i am an entertaining conversationalist
Nov 11 06:06:13 <oil> hes got a room full of pant legs
Nov 11 06:06:19 <freakout-work> And I have a great voice
Nov 11 06:06:31 <freakout-work> I am alternatively told I should be on the radio or a bingo caller
Nov 11 06:06:48 <_droO> lol.. not tv tho? im sorry to hear that :(
Nov 11 06:06:49 <direwolf790> Hey pant legs are useful stuff
Nov 11 06:06:51 <Sketh> dream big
Nov 11 06:07:06 <freakout-work> _droO: I have a face for radio ;)
Nov 11 06:07:11 <_droO> lolol;p
Nov 11 06:07:14 <freakout-work> Sketh: yep. Bingo caller one day!
Nov 11 06:07:19 <freakout-work> a man can dream
Nov 11 06:07:44 <direwolf790> BINGO!!!
Nov 11 06:08:03 <freakout-work> You'll all be able to hear it in a week or two....
Nov 11 06:08:09 <freakout-work> I'm making lots of videos
Nov 11 06:08:18 <freakout-work> for webOS vs. Palm OS: THE ULTIMATE SMACKDOWN.
Nov 11 06:08:28 <Sketh> oh goodness
Nov 11 06:09:39 <_droO> is it really the ultimate smackdown tho?
Nov 11 06:09:51 <_droO> ;o
Nov 11 06:10:00 <direwolf790> I'm still waiting for "Dr. StrangePre: or how I got over my fears and learned to love the cloud"
Nov 11 06:10:56 <Sketh> uhohhotdog
Nov 11 06:11:48 <rwhitby> freakout-work: do you have that facebook photo that we want Jason to stick on the front of his new touchstone?
Nov 11 06:12:25 <freakout-work> ha!
Nov 11 06:12:32 <freakout-work> so many to choose from....
Nov 11 06:12:40 <freakout-work> One moment...
Nov 11 06:12:44 <rwhitby> well, which one have you chosen?
Nov 11 06:12:58 <freakout-work> i have to dig up the link on my Pre
Nov 11 06:13:03 <freakout-work> facebook is blocked at work!
Nov 11 06:13:16 <gkatsev> ugh, i hate when places do that
Nov 11 06:13:24 <direwolf790> Later all... Need some sleep before work....
Nov 11 06:13:27 <gkatsev> (ive heard about it a lot, but never happened to me...)
Nov 11 06:13:33 <freakout-work> yep. i actually intend to set up a proxy to my home connection
Nov 11 06:13:40 <freakout-work> then i can watch youtube too xD
Nov 11 06:13:57 <direwolf790> freakout-work: that is why my machine is considered a server @ work :)
Nov 11 06:14:14 <freakout-work> direwolf790: heh. good thinking... night
Nov 11 06:14:27 <direwolf790> Later all
Nov 11 06:14:47 <gkatsev> night
Nov 11 06:14:50 * gkatsev goes to sleep
Nov 11 06:16:43 <freakout-work> bah, Facebook lite doesn't have the sharing link
Nov 11 06:22:06 <rwhitby> So, do we have three happy Preware alpha testers?  Are we ready to release?
Nov 11 06:22:50 <rwhitby> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.6_all.ipk
Nov 11 06:28:39 <AMRCC> downloading...
Nov 11 06:30:34 <zsoc> hm
Nov 11 06:30:36 <freakout-work> rwhitby: got it!
Nov 11 06:30:38 <freakout-work> http://tinyurl.com/yftn9ut
Nov 11 06:30:49 <freakout-work> Hey JayCanuck
Nov 11 06:31:01 <freakout-work> You must put this on your Touchstone.
Nov 11 06:31:05 <JayCanuck> hi freakout
Nov 11 06:31:14 <freakout-work> http://tinyurl.com/yftn9ut
Nov 11 06:31:21 <AMRCC> @rwhitby, did the bypass pin lock patch come thru the submit form the other night?
Nov 11 06:31:22 <freakout-work> All donations are rescinded otherwise.
Nov 11 06:31:30 <JayCanuck> *whistle* lol
Nov 11 06:31:41 <AMRCC> my eyes hurt now....
Nov 11 06:31:42 <freakout-work> oil: see, JayCanuck likes my pictures
Nov 11 06:32:04 <freakout-work> AMRCC: you love it
Nov 11 06:33:32 <oil> lol
Nov 11 06:33:43 <oil> trying to be sneaky with the tinyurl links?
Nov 11 06:33:44 <rwhitby> AMRCC: dBsooner gets the submissions first
Nov 11 06:33:48 * oil doesn't fall for that trap!
Nov 11 06:34:02 <freakout-work> hahaa
Nov 11 06:34:07 <freakout-work> IT'S A TRAP!
Nov 11 06:34:22 <oil> admiral ackbar knows things like that
Nov 11 06:34:24 <oil> i asked him
Nov 11 06:34:32 <freakout-work> heh
Nov 11 06:34:35 <freakout-work> You know, he's on Twitter
Nov 11 06:34:39 <rwhitby> JayCanuck: looks like no-one in the thread is accepting the returns
Nov 11 06:34:41 <zsoc> i took a girl home one night who turned out to be a trap
Nov 11 06:34:47 <JayCanuck> lol
Nov 11 06:35:17 <zsoc> we just ended up playing super smash bros
Nov 11 06:35:19 <zsoc> true story
Nov 11 06:36:38 * oil wonders what thread this is
Nov 11 06:36:50 <AMRCC> rwhitby: ko...just wondering if i pooched it or not... Its only a one line patch but wasn't sure if I had the syntax right...
Nov 11 06:40:03 <hmagoo> hmm.
Nov 11 06:40:31 <freakout-work> zsoc: super smash bros isn't a *terrible* way to end a night....
Nov 11 06:41:42 <zsoc> freakout-work, tru dat
Nov 11 06:42:08 <zsoc> I'm really super lazy. I have a patch to write, a binary to compile, and guilder to blame for it. I'm swamped.
Nov 11 06:43:47 <zsoc> princess bride reference? no?
Nov 11 06:43:48 * zsoc sighs
Nov 11 06:44:12 <hmagoo> youtube download patch is slick, as is wIRC :)
Nov 11 06:44:14 <sugardave> damn, I was too late
Nov 11 06:44:31 * sugardave blames the rodents of unusual size.
Nov 11 06:44:40 <zsoc> sugardave, sorry, should have given you a minute :<
Nov 11 06:44:57 <hmagoo> new ways to kill the batter
Nov 11 06:45:06 <hmagoo> y
Nov 11 06:48:30 <zsoc> Is there any functional difference between adding info to a patch or creating a second patch to apply after the first?
Nov 11 06:48:41 <zsoc> I guess it depends on what the first patch affects... that's a silly question
Nov 11 06:49:01 <zsoc> ask a silly question, you get a silly answer
Nov 11 06:49:48 <zsoc> I know I don't have to give anyone a minute... tom lehrer references aren't in style these days.
Nov 11 07:22:05 <edektor> i think wIRC needs a help section with all the supported irc commands it has
Nov 11 07:34:56 <rwhitby> Preware 0.9.6 is released.
Nov 11 07:37:27 <oil> nice
Nov 11 07:37:45 * oil waits for email notifying me rwhitby has changed the wiki xD
Nov 11 07:38:00 * Robi_ upgrades
Nov 11 07:38:29 <Niris777> good to know!
Nov 11 07:39:15 <Robi_> ooh tweet too
Nov 11 07:40:32 <oil> there is the email xD
Nov 11 07:40:43 <Robi_> it'd be cool if the updateer for feeds would use zsync, much faster than yanking it all down again
Nov 11 07:41:10 <rwhitby> build, release, tweet, forum, wiki - all done.
Nov 11 07:41:10 <oil> talk to the developers of ipkg
Nov 11 07:41:39 <Robi_> oh man reading that nothing was going on in the bg?
Nov 11 07:41:41 <rwhitby> Robi_: that would be cool - know anyone who's ready to implement it? ;-)
Nov 11 07:42:21 <Robi_> oil: it would be a middle layer for ipkg where you'd just point to local copy after zsync is done
Nov 11 07:43:12 <schredder> that's great. instead of hitting "update", i hit "remove". TIme to pull out the ol' webosquickinstall again...
Nov 11 07:43:27 <schredder> I feel like there should be a confirmation before removing the preware package
Nov 11 07:44:08 <rwhitby> schredder by name, schredder by nature ;-)
Nov 11 07:44:16 <schredder> hehe
Nov 11 07:45:05 <rwhitby> schredder: that's not a bad idea.  "Do you *really* want to remove Preware?   fileCoaster really isn't as good ..." ;-)
Nov 11 07:46:26 <Robi_> rwhitby: the noob msg gonna pop on every new update?
Nov 11 07:46:34 <schredder> true.
Nov 11 07:47:03 <rwhitby> Robi_: just the changelog on subsequent updates, and nothing between.
Nov 11 07:47:58 <Robi_> rwhitby: ok, can you get the feed update started then pop that so it's less time waiting
Nov 11 07:48:20 <Robi_> if configured of course
Nov 11 07:48:23 <rwhitby> Robi_: no, but oil might be able to ;-)
Nov 11 07:48:51 <Robi_> so yeah, you can. :>
Nov 11 07:49:07 <Robi_> hey u logged into wave right now?
Nov 11 07:49:16 <Robi_> its showing you as online
Nov 11 07:49:33 * oil has yet to play with wave
Nov 11 07:54:46 <Robi_> i still have a few invites
Nov 11 07:59:33 <Niris777> hey guys I am planning on developing for webOS in the future, as of now I have no coding ability. I'm planning of starting my bachelor's next year on Web Design & Development, will that give me the necessary skills to develop for webOS devices??
Nov 11 08:01:14 <oil> javascript, html, css
Nov 11 08:01:29 <Niris777> sorry if it's a bit off topic.... I'm just really interested in app development
Nov 11 08:03:07 <Niris777> well the courses included in degree do have those you mentioned oil
Nov 11 08:03:55 <oil> its web development type stuff
Nov 11 08:04:35 * rwhitby adds a Preware announcement to the Palm Pre Wave ...
Nov 11 08:05:03 <Niris777> I'm going to be taking an online degree from Full Sail University... does anybody know if its worth the money to learn from them??
Nov 11 08:06:21 <oil> there is a palm pre wave?
Nov 11 08:06:32 <oil> Niris777: i have no clue
Nov 11 08:06:37 <rwhitby> oil: yep
Nov 11 08:06:59 <rwhitby> hmm - how do you link to a wave ....
Nov 11 08:07:36 <freakout87> There's a Palm Pre wave?
Nov 11 08:07:53 <freakout> Anyone got a spare Wave invite?
Nov 11 08:07:58 <Niris777> that be awsome!
Nov 11 08:08:47 <oil> freakout: ask Robi_
Nov 11 08:10:00 <oil> rwhitby: add me to the palm pre wave
Nov 11 08:11:45 <rwhitby> oil: did that work?
Nov 11 08:11:52 <oil> yeah
Nov 11 08:14:22 <freakout> oil: ok
Nov 11 08:14:25 <freakout> Hey, Robi_ . Got any Wave invites?
Nov 11 08:15:17 <oil> that wave kind of sucks
Nov 11 08:15:17 <oil> lol
Nov 11 08:15:35 <oil> "Palm would do good by buying weobOS-internals. At the very least contract them out for certain projects. They'd have a much more polished OS right now if the did..."
Nov 11 08:15:36 <oil> lol
Nov 11 08:17:26 <rwhitby> oil: what shall we set the price at?
Nov 11 08:17:38 <oil> one billion dollars
Nov 11 08:17:46 * oil puts pinkie to corner of mouth
Nov 11 08:19:48 <hmagoo> maybe they could hook you guys up with huge webos "simulators" that you could actually sit in and be the internals.
Nov 11 08:22:46 <Niris777> lol
Nov 11 08:22:56 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 11 10:39:00 <trim-pre> hi
Nov 11 10:39:30 <trim-pre> what is the correct way to end wirc? I find that if I throw away the card, when I try to reconnect later, it hangs
Nov 11 10:43:00 <timboy> is there a way to change the voicemail password?
Nov 11 10:43:07 <timboy> I mean speed dial...
Nov 11 10:43:10 <Craftsman1234> I have the same problem and I have to wait and wait to get back on.
Nov 11 10:43:31 <timboy> I want to change the number that the speed dial for voicemail calls
Nov 11 10:44:01 <trim-pre> craftsman: please update when you find an answer
Nov 11 10:45:12 <Craftsman1234> I will just as lost as you.  Been years since I IRC'd
Nov 11 10:47:20 <trim-pre> haha same here
Nov 11 12:25:29 <sryan_wirc> does anyone know if the 3g radio in the pre has power management? does any other smartphone have it?
Nov 11 14:54:23 * nt4cats just tested prewares idiot-proofedness
Nov 11 14:54:36 <nt4cats> I am not sure what won, the software or my idiocy
Nov 11 14:54:37 <PuffTheMagic> my dad it talking to the jahova's witnesses
Nov 11 14:54:42 <PuffTheMagic> that came to our door
Nov 11 14:54:46 <PuffTheMagic> giving them a hard time
Nov 11 14:55:17 <nt4cats> I was running preware 095, I updated the package manager, and then went back in to update preware ...
Nov 11 14:55:37 <nt4cats> ... I started the preware update (to 096) and then closed preware.
Nov 11 14:56:08 <nt4cats> when I tried to re-open preware it was unhappy with me (screwed up graphical display) ... I rebooted and now preware 096 seems to be there
Nov 11 14:56:20 <nt4cats> Did I skip running the postinst script(s) in this case?
Nov 11 14:57:11 <nt4cats> with any other app I'd just uninstall it and reinstall it -- but it is not easy (although not impossible) to reinstall preware once you've removed preware
Nov 11 15:00:13 <nt4cats> oil ping
Nov 11 15:13:36 <ni|> yo
Nov 11 15:21:08 <dickweed> hey guys... nice work on wIRC!
Nov 11 15:21:20 <dickweed> and everything else for that matter
Nov 11 15:25:10 <ni|> PuffTheMagic: you up?
Nov 11 15:25:58 <Greed> I like the topic dropdown for wIRC
Nov 11 15:28:45 <nt4cats> I'd like to install wirc, but I'm afraid I may have hosed my preware install and i'm too lazy to get out the USB cable and reinstall it using WOQI
Nov 11 15:28:58 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 15:29:02 <atlanta> hate when that happens
Nov 11 15:31:18 * nt4cats knows that everyone's #1 favorite thing to do is field I've done something stuipd that you told me not to do and I broke my Pre -- can you fix it for me? sorts of questions
Nov 11 15:46:13 <nt4cats> okay, this is officially cool.
Nov 11 15:47:58 * nt4cats wonders if egaudet or puffy can take over my Pre now just by sending specially-coded irc chat messages ....
Nov 11 15:49:16 <nt4cats> veritas: nice Pre irc client you've got there
Nov 11 15:52:01 <mumbles> right im taking my palm pre back to factery setting
Nov 11 16:01:13 <xorg> yo all, anyone setup an rc2.d startup script?
Nov 11 16:02:02 <mumbles> theres a wirc ap ?
Nov 11 16:02:03 <mumbles> nice
Nov 11 16:02:04 <xorg> i'm trying to get 'crond' setup but it won't startup with script in /etc/rc2.d or rcS.d
Nov 11 16:07:53 <nt4cats> xorg: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Crond
Nov 11 16:08:06 <marajin_> allo allo allo
Nov 11 16:10:32 * nt4cats realizes that 90% of my activity on this channel is giving people URLs that solve their problem.  basically I'm a Google proxy for IRC.
Nov 11 16:11:16 <mumbles> hehe
Nov 11 16:11:23 <gkatsev> nt4cats: hehe, thats why on #vim we programmed the bot to know all the links, so, we do "vimgor: topic" which gives a small blurb and a link
Nov 11 16:11:27 <mumbles> im reinstalling c
Nov 11 16:11:38 <gkatsev> mumbles: on the pre?
Nov 11 16:11:42 <mumbles> yeh
Nov 11 16:11:48 <mumbles> one of the themes messed up
Nov 11 16:11:57 <gkatsev> oh, anyone had it happen to them that google suddently defaulted to japanese?
Nov 11 16:12:04 <egaudet_work> looking down at my phone
Nov 11 16:12:05 <nt4cats> (although I knew the cron one because I wanted to do that myself a few weeks ago)
Nov 11 16:12:06 <mumbles> i had it go to klingon
Nov 11 16:12:06 <egaudet_work> it's 11/11 11:11
Nov 11 16:12:33 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 11 16:13:04 <marajin_> egaudet_work: it happens :)
Nov 11 16:13:32 <marajin_> egaudet_work: just wait 2 years and you can get 11:11 11/11/11 :)
Nov 11 16:13:50 <egaudet_work> :D
Nov 11 16:14:49 <xorg> nt4, thanks... i got cron to work if i start it manually, but it won't startup autmatically.
Nov 11 16:17:14 <nt4cats> xorg: did you follow the "don't modify the existing crond startup-script" instruction at the top and instead edit /etc/event.d/mod-crond ?
Nov 11 16:17:44 <xorg> am trying it now
Nov 11 16:18:54 <gkatsev> mumbles: lol, but i didnt do anything that would do that. it just suddently decided to do it on its own...
Nov 11 16:19:39 <xorg> nt4: thanks, working now...
Nov 11 16:21:06 <xorg> guess i should search webosinternals site :)
Nov 11 16:21:23 <gkatsev> ok, resaving google prefs changed it back to english default...
Nov 11 16:23:33 <xorg> so i guess webos doesn't use sysv init's at all and now use ubuntu upstart?
Nov 11 16:24:03 <gkatsev> xorg: yes
Nov 11 16:24:12 <gkatsev> well, ubuntu now uses upstart as well
Nov 11 16:24:30 <gkatsev> everyone is switching to it
Nov 11 16:25:16 <mumbles> i have now got root the pre again
Nov 11 16:27:00 <xorg> thanks, i haven't tinker with startups in a while.. am an old sysv unix guy
Nov 11 16:27:01 <xorg> tinkered
Nov 11 16:27:34 <bsiegel> god damn guys this wIRC is slick
Nov 11 16:29:23 <mumbles> i need to install that
Nov 11 16:31:17 <mumbles> whats the link for that again ?
Nov 11 16:31:28 <bsiegel> Not just how well it works, but the ui is super polished. Most if not all of webos internals projects seem to have much more professional UIs than most of the app catalog stuff.
Nov 11 16:31:42 <bsiegel> I just installed it via preware
Nov 11 16:31:52 <atlanta> mumbles: PREWARE
Nov 11 16:32:10 <mumbles> k
Nov 11 16:32:13 <atlanta> thanks to oil
Nov 11 16:32:15 <atlanta> :-)
Nov 11 16:32:18 <atlanta> i believe
Nov 11 16:32:22 <atlanta> and PuffTheMagic
Nov 11 16:33:50 <PuffTheMagic> bsiegel: yeah oil would like to hear that
Nov 11 16:39:23 <egaudet_work> no love
Nov 11 16:40:24 <atlanta> aww i forgot about my man egaudet_work
Nov 11 16:43:13 <egaudet_work> :p
Nov 11 16:43:41 <atlanta> hopefully ill learn git and diff and help you guys out
Nov 11 16:51:18 <Rick-work> I used wirc for about 2 hours last night.
Nov 11 16:51:24 <Rick-work> It was -nice-
Nov 11 16:51:49 <mumbles> 4im just installing it now
Nov 11 16:51:52 <Rick-work> I wish I could cascade  cards in webos.   flipping between cards was annoying....
Nov 11 16:52:11 <Rick-work> and I've a thought about a multi-channel card.
Nov 11 16:52:31 <nt4cats> rick: how would cascading be better?
Nov 11 16:53:09 <Rick-work> I could see when other cards had new messages in them without dropping out to a minimized view and scrolling sideways
Nov 11 16:54:46 <egaudet_work> Rick-work yea that's in the plans (tab'd channel view or similar)
Nov 11 16:54:58 <egaudet_work> also do you used advanced gestures?
Nov 11 16:55:14 <egaudet_work> I find it awesome to switch between irc channel cards
Nov 11 16:55:31 <Rick-work> tabbed is ok, and then re-color the tab when messages show up.
Nov 11 16:55:41 <Rick-work> I have never used advanced gestures
Nov 11 16:55:51 <egaudet_work> I never did either until wIRC :P
Nov 11 16:56:26 <Rick-work> so how does it work?  What do you do?
Nov 11 16:57:19 <egaudet_work> sliding accross gesture will bring the next card into view
Nov 11 16:57:31 <egaudet_work> (accross being starting on one side of middle ball and ending on the other)
Nov 11 16:57:38 <Rick-work> the opposite of the back gesture?
Nov 11 16:57:50 <egaudet_work> a more extended back gesture
Nov 11 16:57:55 <nt4cats> wirc just pooped (maybe with Sprint's help)
Nov 11 16:57:55 <egaudet_work> and can go forward too
Nov 11 16:58:13 <Rick-work> does it loop around through open cards?
Nov 11 16:58:23 <egaudet_work> so you can switch between maximized cards easily.  No no looping though
Nov 11 16:58:45 <WillJitsu> does wIRC keep wifi active when the screen turns off if I'm connected to a server?
Nov 11 16:59:36 <Rick-work> I'm sorry then eric, how do I get back to the "first" card?  If I have 3 cards open and I use the extended back 4 times,  do I end up back where I started?
Nov 11 16:59:40 <allergic> hello - how long should it take to "fixing unknown packages" in the new Preware? it's been stuck at 1 of 20 for five minutes
Nov 11 16:59:57 <Rick-work> allergic, that's too long
Nov 11 17:00:34 <allergic> just close and re-open preware?
Nov 11 17:00:45 <jrsss> allergic mine took like 2 min
Nov 11 17:02:01 <allergic> ha... tried again and it took like 10 seconds to do all 20
Nov 11 17:02:57 <jrsss> lol
Nov 11 17:03:21 <egaudet_work> Rick-work, it's justlike changing between minimized cards
Nov 11 17:03:32 <egaudet_work> except you are using gesture area and maximized cards
Nov 11 17:03:40 <Rick-work> cool
Nov 11 17:03:46 <egaudet_work> so if last card is maximized you have to swipe all the way back to get to first card yea
Nov 11 17:04:00 <egaudet_work> but it's more convenient than minimizing the card, switching, maximizing
Nov 11 17:04:10 <egaudet_work> and it's pretty smooth gui wise too
Nov 11 17:04:39 <jrsss> is that a new patch?
Nov 11 17:05:08 <jrsss> I got the loop  for the launcher pages and its pretty cool
Nov 11 17:06:49 <allergic> it's not a patch, it's included as an option "advanced gestures"
Nov 11 17:07:34 <jrsss> is it on preware?
Nov 11 17:07:49 <allergic> no. it's stock
Nov 11 17:08:30 <jrsss> never seen that option
Nov 11 17:08:47 <marajin_> ooh, wirc turned up in preware now? nifty :)
Nov 11 17:08:49 * marajin_ installs
Nov 11 17:09:09 <egaudet_work> jrsss, screen&lock I think
Nov 11 17:09:26 <allergic> yeah screen and lock options
Nov 11 17:09:36 <egaudet_work> Advanced Gestures -> Switch applications  turn it on
Nov 11 17:09:59 <jrsss> thanks
Nov 11 17:11:09 <jrsss> anybody getting a pixi
Nov 11 17:11:12 <shaunooh> I think I'll try it, I've been holding back not sure why.
Nov 11 17:11:32 <jrsss> I just  hate the name lol
Nov 11 17:11:36 <nt4cats> for advanced gestures -- I use a full-width swipe to switch apps.  I use a swipe from the glowing ball-thingy to the left as a back gesture
Nov 11 17:12:16 <nt4cats> it took a bit of getting used to, but now I wouldn't want to be without it
Nov 11 17:13:17 * gkatsev ->  lunch
Nov 11 17:14:23 <shaunooh> Turning it on may add something new and exciting for me, might be glad I saved it for rainy day.
Nov 11 17:23:12 <emdete> hi, i have some problems using py from nslu2 on the pre. importing ctypes fails (the so is missing - wasnt that fixed decades ago?), importing dbus fails with unknown symbol. any hints?
Nov 11 17:36:03 <datafirm> anyone know how to activate the spinning state of the refresh menu icon?
Nov 11 17:39:37 <destinal> greetings chuq
Nov 11 17:42:15 <mumbles> PuffTheMagic: suggestion - Wirc should have some common irc networks predone
Nov 11 17:42:28 <PuffTheMagic> mumbles: #wirc
Nov 11 17:42:34 <PuffTheMagic> mumbles: but yeah thats on the todo list
Nov 11 17:42:44 <mumbles> nice
Nov 11 17:44:00 <direwolf790> Butt PuffTheMagic we need it nowwww ... (srry) couldn't help myself
Nov 11 17:45:56 <direwolf790> So.. Does anyone think its possible to work webgl into the emulator as a plugin like terminal?
Nov 11 17:48:51 * nt4cats wonders how many minutes (seconds?) his battery will last while on irc
Nov 11 17:49:17 <egaudet_work> approximately 8.78 minutes less than if you weren't
Nov 11 17:49:19 * nt4cats -> lunch
Nov 11 17:49:27 <direwolf790> nt4cats: only one way to find out
Nov 11 17:49:31 <egaudet_work> completely made up of course but
Nov 11 17:50:03 <nt4cats> egaudet: okay, so that's about 12 minutes, then ;)
Nov 11 17:50:48 <nt4cats> will do after lunch
Nov 11 17:50:51 <nt4cats> see ya
Nov 11 17:51:31 <direwolf790> Alright back to class for me later all
Nov 11 18:13:45 <dBsooner> destinal: ping
Nov 11 18:14:05 <destinal> dBsooner: hery
Nov 11 18:14:16 <dBsooner> destinal: you know anything about rsync?
Nov 11 18:14:29 <destinal> dBsooner: a bit.
Nov 11 18:14:59 <dBsooner> destinal: I am trying to find a way to basically monitor a directory tree for changes.. and rsync those changes automatically/instantly.
Nov 11 18:15:31 <dBsooner> I know I could cron job a shell script to rsync every 1 minute or so.. but that's a bit excessive when it could go a day without any changes.
Nov 11 18:17:14 <destinal> dBsooner: the linux kernel provides API's to detect filesystem changes
Nov 11 18:17:45 <destinal> you could have a daemon watch the directory and call rsync
Nov 11 18:17:55 <dBsooner> destinal: good call
Nov 11 18:18:21 * dBsooner wonders if that would a simple shell script daemon to hold a state.. :)
Nov 11 18:20:39 <destinal> I think you need a running program that can make a system call to register itself to receive notifications of the change, I don't think a shell script does it.  you could use a shell script instead that runs a find for modification times but it would be less efficient since you'd have to run something every so often instead of just receiving notification of the change from the kernel
Nov 11 18:21:45 <destinal> for that matter you could just have rsync check the mtimes itself if you wanted to do the latter
Nov 11 18:21:56 <dBsooner> hmm
Nov 11 18:22:40 <destinal> ah, check out  inotify-tools   http://inotify-tools.sourceforge.net/
Nov 11 18:23:03 <destinal> it can register itself and call your script or rsync
Nov 11 18:23:10 <destinal> http://superuser.com/questions/46441/rsync-as-a-background-process
Nov 11 18:30:58 <bpadalino|work> hey chuqui
Nov 11 18:31:00 <bpadalino|work> hows life ?
Nov 11 18:32:06 <dBsooner> see.. this is why I go to destinal
Nov 11 18:32:10 <dBsooner> he is my linux guru
Nov 11 18:33:01 <chuqui> hey! can't complain. you?
Nov 11 18:35:19 <bpadalino|work> going pretty well .. somewhat relaxed lately
Nov 11 18:35:37 <bpadalino|work> i am sure things are still very hectic at palm :)
Nov 11 18:35:47 <bpadalino|work> or is there a calm before the storm that is the pixi release ?
Nov 11 18:37:45 <sugardave> arg, my windows are all out of order now
Nov 11 18:38:54 <Rick-work> it's hecktic as all hell because monday was the deadline for devs getting pixi versions of updates for the app catalog in
Nov 11 18:38:56 <gkatsev> yeah, i hate when that happens
Nov 11 18:41:01 <bpadalino|work> rick, ah - did not know that!
Nov 11 18:41:12 <bpadalino|work> i wonder if/when the calm happens
Nov 11 18:44:29 <Anonimouse> Hi.
Nov 11 18:44:44 <Rick-work> hi
Nov 11 18:44:45 <bpadalino|work> hey, buffalo - just down the road
Nov 11 18:45:37 <Grizzly_Addams> oh yeah? Where abouts?
Nov 11 18:45:42 <timboy> I want to change the number that the speed dial for voicemail calls
Nov 11 18:45:42 <bpadalino|work> rochester here
Nov 11 18:45:47 <Grizzly_Addams> Oh cool.
Nov 11 18:46:27 <Grizzly_Addams> Just got my first pre.
Nov 11 18:46:33 <bpadalino|work> congrats - how do you like it ?
Nov 11 18:46:46 <Grizzly_Addams> I dont know yet. I dont plan on using sprint, and im having a bit of trouble.
Nov 11 18:46:55 <bpadalino|work> ah
Nov 11 18:47:23 <Grizzly_Addams> I see that the rules say to respect copyrights, can I talk about custom roms here?
Nov 11 18:47:58 <bpadalino|work> people have released custom doctor images ?
Nov 11 18:48:15 <bpadalino|work> as long as you don't violate copyright by distributing palms code .. you should be good
Nov 11 18:48:18 <Rick-work> you can talk about MODIFYING roms, and custom rom's  sure.
Nov 11 18:48:29 <chuqui> calm? hah.
Nov 11 18:48:38 <Rick-work> we do that all the time.
Nov 11 18:48:48 <Rick-work> chuqi  I did SAY it wasn't calm.....
Nov 11 18:48:55 <nt4cats> Griz: from the few things I've read about it ... not using Sprint with a IS-95 CDMA Pre is hard to do
Nov 11 18:49:09 <bpadalino|work> chuqui, so it's just hectic all the time? kinda feel bad during the holiday time with families and whatnot :(
Nov 11 18:49:30 <nt4cats> ..... let me see if I can find the article ...
Nov 11 18:49:38 <Grizzly_Addams> I've got full instructions, and all the software to do it right in front of me
Nov 11 18:49:46 <Grizzly_Addams> i read and researched for days before buying the pre
Nov 11 18:50:12 <nt4cats> Okay, the article I see says voice works but data doesn't
Nov 11 18:50:12 <Grizzly_Addams> and am ready to go except the rom I am using to bypass activation fails in webos dr at 84% saying "We were unable to reset your phone"
Nov 11 18:50:13 <bpadalino|work> Grizzly_Addams, to get it to work with vzw here in the states ?
Nov 11 18:50:24 <Grizzly_Addams> data works
Nov 11 18:50:25 <Grizzly_Addams> mms does not
Nov 11 18:50:28 <Grizzly_Addams> bc of the mms client
Nov 11 18:51:00 <bpadalino|work> hrmm .. bypassing activation fails, huh ?
Nov 11 18:51:20 <Grizzly_Addams> bypassing activation didnt neccesarily fail.
Nov 11 18:51:29 <Grizzly_Addams> webos wouldnt complete the rom update
Nov 11 18:51:41 <Grizzly_Addams> i already put a different rom back on to make sure the phone still worked
Nov 11 18:51:44 <Grizzly_Addams> which it does
Nov 11 18:52:17 <Grizzly_Addams> and i already found instructions to take the official 1.0.3 rom and remove pre-setup
Nov 11 18:52:24 <Grizzly_Addams> but i dont want to do all that.
Nov 11 18:52:40 <Grizzly_Addams> gonna try to re-dl the bypass rom i have and pray lol.
Nov 11 18:53:48 <bpadalino|work> good luck :)
Nov 11 19:49:21 <a2ny> hi
Nov 11 19:49:23 <bpadalino|work> madrobby: kind of weird that osx's tar doesn't understand --delete ...
Nov 11 19:49:24 <madrobby> here's the output i get http://webos.pastebin.com/m1e43dcdb
Nov 11 19:51:36 <bpadalino|work> oh, i wans't doubting you ... just wonder why it's not in there .. that's all
Nov 11 19:52:16 <madrobby> i think i can install gnu tar
Nov 11 19:52:21 <madrobby> (somehow)
Nov 11 19:52:21 <madrobby> :)
Nov 11 19:55:00 <madrobby> it seems that gnutar indeed does the job
Nov 11 19:55:31 <madrobby> i know have a patched webosdoctorp100eww-wr-1.1.3.jar file (at least i believe i do)
Nov 11 19:56:23 <bpadalino|work> ah, so gnutar didn't come with osx .. but that supports --delete .. ok
Nov 11 19:56:25 <bpadalino|work> cool
Nov 11 19:57:12 <madrobby> yeah, i installed it thru the darwin ports system
Nov 11 19:57:28 <madrobby> and changed tar = gnutar in the Makefile (and md5sum = md5 -r)
Nov 11 19:59:45 <chrisa> I didn't even know we had an official page about engineers on irc until I saw the precentral mention
Nov 11 19:59:50 <xorg> so i'm thinking of adding to 'mvapp' (needs to be renamed) a funciton to turn on cron and reboot the phone every night at 2 or 3am.
Nov 11 20:00:08 <xorg> does anyone think there is a value to rebooting the Pre every night?  Clean things up?
Nov 11 20:01:02 <Mousey> i'm on the phone sometimes at those times
Nov 11 20:01:04 <gkatsev> xorg: only if will relaunch the apps i keep open
Nov 11 20:01:06 <Mousey> and what about people on-call?
Nov 11 20:01:36 <xorg> gk: nope, wouldn't be for you then.
Nov 11 20:02:12 <bpadalino|work> chrisa, you have an official page about engineers on irc ?
Nov 11 20:02:47 <chrisa> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1828
Nov 11 20:02:59 <xorg> it would of course be an option that can be changed or turned off (cron to reboot)
Nov 11 20:03:17 <bpadalino|work> wow, neat
Nov 11 20:04:26 <gkatsev> yeah, cool
Nov 11 20:04:41 <gkatsev> the officially unofficial channel for #webos
Nov 11 20:06:32 <madrobby> now the doctor runs, but doesn't seem to pick up any usb connection to the pre -- i'll leave it running like this maybe it just needs time (it says something that on win XP it needs up to 15mins)
Nov 11 20:07:21 <bpadalino|work> madrobby, if you aren't familiar with novacom you should check that out .. you should be able to connect to the pre using that in OS X ..
Nov 11 20:07:29 <bpadalino|work> and a terminal program to get shell access
Nov 11 20:08:56 <xorg> preware 0.9.6... tries 'fixing unknown packages' on every startup... shouldn't it just do this once?
Nov 11 20:09:18 <bpadalino|work> chrisa, interesting about the irc page
Nov 11 20:10:57 <madrobby> bpadalino|work: doesn't that require i've developer mode turned on? (can't do that without first being able to use the thing at all...) :)
Nov 11 20:12:46 <bpadalino|work> madrobby, when you hold the volume up button and plug in the USB from an off state, you should see a big USB logo on the screen and be in bootie
Nov 11 20:12:50 <bpadalino|work> which allows you to connect as well
Nov 11 20:12:57 <bpadalino|work> and download kernels to memory and boot
Nov 11 20:13:07 <madrobby> ah, will try
Nov 11 20:13:17 <egaudet_work> xorg, then how would it pick up fixes?
Nov 11 20:13:30 <bpadalino|work> if you haven't, there is a package inside the jar that is a novacom install package for OS X ..
Nov 11 20:13:41 <bpadalino|work> and gives you novacom and novaterm binaries in /opt/novacom/bin i think
Nov 11 20:14:13 <madrobby> bpadalino|work: usb mode did the trick, thx
Nov 11 20:14:39 <madrobby> now i'm either making it work OR bricking the pre :)
Nov 11 20:14:41 <bpadalino|work> neato
Nov 11 20:14:45 <oil> chrisa: now you can use wIRC to get your IRC on the go :)
Nov 11 20:14:45 <bpadalino|work> ah, the nice thing about the pre
Nov 11 20:14:49 <bpadalino|work> you can't brick it too easily
Nov 11 20:14:59 <madrobby> that's what she said
Nov 11 20:15:03 <bpadalino|work> heyo
Nov 11 20:16:07 <bpadalino|work> madrobby, so were you happy that palm chose prototype ?
Nov 11 20:16:47 <madrobby> bpadalino|work: Prototype is awesome, so it's natural!
Nov 11 20:17:17 <bpadalino|work> :)
Nov 11 20:17:50 <oil> natural as a platypus xD
Nov 11 20:18:00 <madrobby> it's kind of fun to see stuff come around like this. i used to write apps for Palm Vx's in CodeWarrior
Nov 11 20:18:16 <madrobby> then i switched to web stuff/javascript and now Palm's run with the tech
Nov 11 20:18:52 <madrobby> iirc, codewarrior/c-coding was HORRIBLE
Nov 11 20:18:57 <bpadalino|work> heh
Nov 11 20:18:58 <madrobby> :)
Nov 11 20:20:31 <chrisa> oil: I would, except that preware doesn't work with builds we have in house generally
Nov 11 20:20:41 <chrisa> Since you guys have to sync patches up
Nov 11 20:22:51 <bpadalino|work> chrisa, that could easily be remedied ;)
Nov 11 20:23:27 <chrisa> I'm sure I could clean the patches up, but I have enough to do
Nov 11 20:23:54 <oil> you don't have to install any patches though
Nov 11 20:25:01 <rwhitby> morning
Nov 11 20:25:20 <bpadalino|work> chrisa, oh - i meant giving #webos-internals access to the internal builds so you could have preware be up to date as much as possible
Nov 11 20:25:21 <gkatsev> morning, rwhitby
Nov 11 20:25:39 <gkatsev> rwhitby: did you get a qwertz pre yet?
Nov 11 20:26:03 <rwhitby> oil: so, how widespread do you think this fixing unknown packages problem is?
Nov 11 20:26:07 <rwhitby> gkatsev: not yet
Nov 11 20:26:18 <madrobby> bpadalino|work: doctor is done, wondering if it worked, pre is rebooting right now
Nov 11 20:26:19 <oil> what fixing unknown packages problem?
Nov 11 20:26:35 <bpadalino|work> madrobby, crossing my fingers for you
Nov 11 20:26:51 <rwhitby> oil: in the Preware thread - some reports of it hanging at 34 out of 35 or other points
Nov 11 20:27:23 <rwhitby> have we seen anyone in here with a reproducible case?
Nov 11 20:27:47 <chrisa> bpadalino|work: dev builds are usually 1-2 releases ahead of production releases due to QA cycles, so that's unlikely =/
Nov 11 20:27:51 <oil> i also ran into it, its sparatic though
Nov 11 20:27:55 <bpadalino|work> :(
Nov 11 20:28:05 <oil> i wasn't able to reproduce it with consistancy
Nov 11 20:28:25 <madrobby> WORKED!
Nov 11 20:28:41 <gkatsev> madrobby: cool
Nov 11 20:28:54 <bpadalino|work> madrobby, want to update the wiki with native OSX instructions and requirements/patches to the makefile ?
Nov 11 20:29:29 <bpadalino|work> and congrats, btw
Nov 11 20:31:25 <freakout> hooray: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9987/webos-13-in-europe-by-end-of-november/
Nov 11 20:31:40 <freakout> boo:  off to work.
Nov 11 20:34:31 <madrobby> bpadalino|work: i'm updating the wiki
Nov 11 20:36:08 <bpadalino|work> you're the man, madrobby
Nov 11 20:37:11 <bpadalino|work> glad it worked out for you - thank rwhitby for the program
Nov 11 20:38:20 <madrobby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Mac_OS_X_10.6
Nov 11 20:38:52 <rwhitby> madrobby: hi.  I wrote meta-doctor.  Did you get it to work?
Nov 11 20:39:09 <madrobby> rwhitby: heya, thanks for meta-doctor
Nov 11 20:39:15 <madrobby> yeah, it worked fine
Nov 11 20:39:47 <madrobby> look at the link i've just posted-- for OS X 10.6 only two tweaks for the Makefile are required (plus gnutar has to be installed
Nov 11 20:39:53 <bpadalino|work> rwhitby: he was able to get it to work in osx without requiring the vm
Nov 11 20:44:25 <madrobby> wow, the speed of the pre is much better than i thought it would be
Nov 11 20:44:43 <gkatsev> madrobby: isnt the pre awesome?
Nov 11 20:44:59 <madrobby> running some of my js anim demos at http://scripty2.com/demos/cards/
Nov 11 20:45:13 <madrobby> gkatsev: it is pretty neat! i don't like the keyboard, however
Nov 11 20:45:24 <madrobby> i got to play with a pixi last week, i kinda like it more
Nov 11 20:45:29 <gkatsev> madrobby: get egaudet_work;s onscreen keyboard. :)
Nov 11 20:46:03 <rwhitby> madrobby: excellent - I tried to use the gnutar that was already on snow leopard, but it failed in the --delete.  I didn't try and macports replacement.
Nov 11 20:46:19 <rwhitby> madrobby: I use osx myself, so thanks for finding that.
Nov 11 20:47:15 <rwhitby> madrobby: do you want to update the makefile with some conditionals to do that stuff automagically?
Nov 11 20:48:04 <madrobby> rwhitby: i'm not good with Makefiles :)
Nov 11 20:48:16 <rwhitby> madrobby: no worries - I'll do it.
Nov 11 20:48:36 <bpadalino|work> madrobby, neat demo
Nov 11 20:49:00 <gkatsev> the touch demos dont work...
Nov 11 20:49:20 <madrobby> gkatsev: that's one of the things i want to investigate on the pre
Nov 11 20:49:40 <madrobby> i think pre's webkit-based browser doesn't come with the support for iphone's touch events
Nov 11 20:49:44 <gkatsev> photofun and flickr touchshow dont work
Nov 11 20:50:13 <madrobby> i need to write some low-level tests for this
Nov 11 20:50:20 <bpadalino|work> neat
Nov 11 20:50:25 <madrobby> problem is, this is something i can't test with the emulator
Nov 11 20:50:38 <bpadalino|work> which is why they sent you a pre ?
Nov 11 20:51:04 <madrobby> yeah-- i met dion & ben at a conference last week
Nov 11 20:51:32 <bpadalino|work> first time meeting them ?
Nov 11 20:51:54 <madrobby> nah, met them first at the first ajax experience, waaaay back in 2006
Nov 11 20:52:23 <bpadalino|work> who's turn was it to buy the drinks ?
Nov 11 20:53:09 <madrobby> haha
Nov 11 20:53:54 <bpadalino|work> well, it's cool to know the prototype guys are interested in the webOS platform at least
Nov 11 20:54:29 <madrobby> oh, def
Nov 11 20:54:58 <gkatsev> madrobby: did palm contact the you guys before deciding on prototype?
Nov 11 20:55:21 <madrobby> not that i know of :)
Nov 11 20:55:26 <gkatsev> ok, just wondering
Nov 11 20:56:12 <madrobby> i think they've looked for something that extended both js the language and provided for some hooks for easier web dev, without going the widget route
Nov 11 20:56:37 <madrobby> also, prototype is very well tested
Nov 11 20:56:58 <madrobby> but i haven't looked into their changes yet :) i hope i can set aside a day or two to dig into it
Nov 11 20:57:44 <gkatsev> madrobby: cool, let us know if you find anything cool
Nov 11 20:58:04 <edektor> madrobby: is this prototypes madrobby?
Nov 11 20:59:37 <destinal> madrobby: if only the pixi had wifi, I might get one
Nov 11 21:00:49 <acydlord_pre> I'd probably prefer the pixi if it had wifi, and perhaps a slightly larger screen.
Nov 11 21:01:04 <madrobby> edektor: yeah, Prototype core
Nov 11 21:01:18 <edektor> awesome!
Nov 11 21:01:33 <StormD> I wish palm would go the widget route.
Nov 11 21:04:08 <bpadalino|work> someone just posted this to the textmate channel, for people using osx doing pre development using textmate: http://www.devilx.net/2009/11/11/textmate-palm-pre-development-bundle-0-2/
Nov 11 21:05:23 <ACap> I didn't think I'd like the slider, coming from the Centro
Nov 11 21:05:32 <acydlord_pre> stormd I don't, I enjoy the clean clutter free 'desktop' when I have nothing open
Nov 11 21:05:58 <ACap> but I've really grown accustomed to the slide
Nov 11 21:06:39 <acydlord_pre> the formfactor of the pre is a bit hard to hold on to though
Nov 11 21:06:40 <StormD> the obvious response to that would be "don't install any widgets, then"
Nov 11 21:07:06 <StormD> i'd like to have some, for me, though :)
Nov 11 21:07:40 <acydlord_pre> most phones that use a widget system don't give you the option, there is always something persistent on the display, eg. winmobile, android
Nov 11 21:08:25 <ACap> true, but with a TS back (matte) and an Invisishield (sp?), the slipperyness is much less
Nov 11 21:08:53 <StormD> I believe with vanilla android, all widgets are optional. my idea for webos widgets would certainly be optional
Nov 11 21:09:13 <bpadalino|work> the live update for the cards kind of makes them widgets in the card view ..
Nov 11 21:09:25 <ACap> wouldn't widgets get in the way of the cards?
Nov 11 21:10:05 <ACap> or vice-versa?
Nov 11 21:12:22 <acydlord_pre> I'm thinking about getting egrips for my backplate since I don't have the touchstone.
Nov 11 21:13:23 <ACap> I used egrips on my treo.  loved it.  just did little strips on the side, tho
Nov 11 21:13:46 <rwhitby> can I please get a show of hands of those who have upgraded to preware 0.9.6 with no problems?
Nov 11 21:13:52 <ACap> too much grip if you did the whole back.
Nov 11 21:14:16 <ACap> I upgraded to 0.9.6, no probs yet
Nov 11 21:15:16 <StormD> Acap, know how you can shrink cards to half size when you have a bunch of them?
Nov 11 21:15:45 <acydlord_pre> tap in the blank space beneath them
Nov 11 21:15:51 <StormD> my idea would be for them to default that size, to leave screen space for widgets
Nov 11 21:16:05 <dBsooner> any of you use Exchange with a pin code?
Nov 11 21:16:30 <_droO> acydlord-i thought about that too
Nov 11 21:16:46 <_droO> or just to be able to basically put the cards in any arrangement @ that size
Nov 11 21:17:07 <rwhitby> ACap: thx - anyone else upgrade to preware 0.9.6 ?
Nov 11 21:17:19 <acydlord_pre> would be nice to throw the cards in 2x2 format in the small size
Nov 11 21:17:24 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I did.
Nov 11 21:17:28 <xorg> yo rod, am on 0.9.6... is it suppose to be 'fixing unknown packages' on every startup?  it often hangs.
Nov 11 21:17:33 <rwhitby> I'm trying to get a feel for how pervasive this reported hanging when fixing apps is.
Nov 11 21:17:41 <dBsooner> rod, you use exchange?
Nov 11 21:17:43 <acydlord_pre> I upgraded last night when I saw the tweet
Nov 11 21:17:48 <rwhitby> xorg: yes, every startup.
Nov 11 21:18:00 <rwhitby> dBsooner: not if I can help it
Nov 11 21:18:12 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I am looking for someone who has exchange and PIN enabled
Nov 11 21:18:16 <StormD> acyd: I know how to do it :) just making an illustration
Nov 11 21:18:30 <rwhitby> xorg: can you get a dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice dump across a hang?
Nov 11 21:19:05 <ACap> dBsooner: I do
Nov 11 21:19:18 <dBsooner> ACap: cool.. Wnat to test a patch?
Nov 11 21:20:08 <xorg> rod: wouldn't ya know it, i can't get it to hang now
Nov 11 21:20:31 <ACap> dBsooner: depends.  what does it involve?
Nov 11 21:20:57 <dBsooner> it disables pin entry
Nov 11 21:20:58 <dBsooner> :)
Nov 11 21:21:14 <dBsooner> instead of giving you the pin entry screen, it just returns true (unlocks)
Nov 11 21:22:39 <xorg> rwhitby: ok, hanging now
Nov 11 21:23:05 <dBsooner> ~dict quid
Nov 11 21:23:07 <infobot> Dictionary 'quid' (2 of 7): a wad of something chewable as tobacco  ;; \Quid\ (kw[i^]d), n.; pl. {quid}. [Etym. uncertain.] An English coin, a sovereign. [Slang, Eng.] [Webster 1913 Suppl. +PJC] They invited him to come to-morrow, . . . and bring half a quid with him.                    --Charles Reade. [Webster 1913 Suppl.].
Nov 11 21:23:19 <xorg> (matching bus containing 'org.webosinternals.ipkgservice')
Nov 11 21:23:48 <xorg> is all dbus responds
Nov 11 21:23:58 <xorg> hanging on 7 of 76
Nov 11 21:24:41 <oil> 76 unknown packages?
Nov 11 21:24:43 <oil> jeez
Nov 11 21:25:05 <xorg> yup...
Nov 11 21:25:15 <xorg> 6935.240        PUB     call    1868            :1.28   org.webosinternals.ipkgservice  /com/palm/luna/private/cancel
Nov 11 21:25:32 <ACap> dBsooner:that'd be kinda cool, but I still want some form of security
Nov 11 21:25:39 <_droO> hn i got 33 ;/
Nov 11 21:25:47 <xorg> could it be that linked apps are unknown?
Nov 11 21:25:49 <dBsooner> ACap, you can remove it afterwards
Nov 11 21:25:56 <dBsooner> I just want to make sure it works for exchange pins too
Nov 11 21:26:01 <dBsooner> i know it works for the normal screen lock
Nov 11 21:26:25 <oil> you have a lot of "mvapp"d apps?
Nov 11 21:26:33 <xorg> scratch that, i have 93 linked apps
Nov 11 21:26:48 <xorg> testing ya know
Nov 11 21:26:56 <_droO> i think preware froze ;/ its been on fixing 1 of 33 for awhile
Nov 11 21:27:00 <oil> before this update did you have a bunch of "unknown" app types in the installed section?
Nov 11 21:27:12 <xorg> yes
Nov 11 21:27:13 <oil> _droO its not frozen, its waiting for the service to tell it something
Nov 11 21:27:13 <rwhitby> oil: can we quickly do a preference option to select checking packages or not
Nov 11 21:27:21 <xorg> +iol: yes
Nov 11 21:27:27 <oil> _droO: hit appmenu>update feeds again
Nov 11 21:27:39 <egaudet_work> what is this "fixing" stuff?
Nov 11 21:27:46 <xorg> running...
Nov 11 21:28:03 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: reading appinfo.json and control file to get extra info
Nov 11 21:28:06 <ACap> dBsooner: 1 sec.  at my real job...
Nov 11 21:28:10 <oil> it loads the control and appinfo files for packages with unknown types
Nov 11 21:28:14 <oil> meaning they're not in a feed
Nov 11 21:28:31 <oil> rwhitby did you test the control/appinfo methods on any mvapp'd apps?
Nov 11 21:28:36 <xorg> still spinning on download feed info
Nov 11 21:28:43 <rwhitby> oil: nope, but it should go through symlinks fine
Nov 11 21:28:47 <oil> yeah
Nov 11 21:29:05 <egaudet_work> the control/appinfo stuff is read first right?
Nov 11 21:29:30 <rwhitby> last
Nov 11 21:29:32 <egaudet_work> read control/appinfo -> overwrite with feed info
Nov 11 21:29:42 <egaudet_work> I thought that was the plan
Nov 11 21:29:44 <ACap> dBsooner: btw, I'm Andrew from last night's chatroom
Nov 11 21:29:54 <rwhitby> it's only read for packages that end up unknown from the feeds
Nov 11 21:29:57 <_droO> still trying to fix unknown ;/
Nov 11 21:30:19 <xorg> ok, update feed again, and it flew through the 'fixing unknowns' now in main screen
Nov 11 21:30:34 <rwhitby> xorg: did you capture dbus across both?
Nov 11 21:30:36 <xorg> launching again
Nov 11 21:31:18 <xorg> do i run the dbus when stuck or should i run it when launching preware?
Nov 11 21:31:31 <egaudet_work> I'd think you want all missing data not just type
Nov 11 21:31:36 <rwhitby> xorg: start the dbus capture first
Nov 11 21:31:42 <ACap> dBsooner: ok, how do I get a patch from you?  terminal access?
Nov 11 21:31:44 <xorg> it's running
Nov 11 21:32:11 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: if a package is in a feed, it has Type.  if not, it does not.  we read all missing info for packages that are not in a feed.
Nov 11 21:32:46 <xorg> trying to see if wil get stuck again.. running dbus
Nov 11 21:33:44 <egaudet_work> if the icon: or something was missing in the feed, but not locally you'd miss it
Nov 11 21:33:57 <xorg> ok, stuck again
Nov 11 21:34:03 <xorg> stuck on 1 of 76
Nov 11 21:34:13 <xorg> with dbus running... last line is...
Nov 11 21:34:44 <xorg>  7458.844    PUB     return  2970    0.732   org.webosinternals.ipkgservice  com.palm.luna           «string=â{"size":212,"returnValue":true,"contents":"Package: us.ryanhope.libsdl\nVersion: 1.2.13-1\nArchitecture: armv7\nMaintainer: Ryan Hope <rmh3093@gmail.com>\nDescription: Simple DirectMedia Layer\nSection: extras\nPriority: standard\nSource: http://www.libsdl.org/\n"}â
Nov 11 21:35:08 <dBsooner> ACap: Yeah, pull up terminal
Nov 11 21:35:15 <dBsooner> let me upload the patch
Nov 11 21:35:30 <xorg> still stuck on 1 of 76
Nov 11 21:36:09 <ACap> to a Preware feed?
Nov 11 21:36:18 <dBsooner> no
Nov 11 21:36:25 <dBsooner> you're going to wget it with terminal
Nov 11 21:36:27 <xorg> fixing unknown packages
Nov 11 21:36:33 <dBsooner> do it manually. :)
Nov 11 21:37:02 <ACap> k, got it
Nov 11 21:37:03 <rwhitby> oil: can we quickly do an option to enable/disable fixing unknown type packages?
Nov 11 21:37:09 <egaudet_work> dBsooner you're uploading ipk right?
Nov 11 21:37:22 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: after I test just the .patch
Nov 11 21:37:26 <dBsooner> its only one line of code
Nov 11 21:37:29 <egaudet_work> test with ipk
Nov 11 21:37:36 <dBsooner> sigh
Nov 11 21:37:41 <xorg>  7686.077       PUB     return  2972    0.005   org.webosinternals.ipkgservice com.palm.luna            «string=â{"errorCode":"ErrorGenericOperationNotPermitted", "errorText":"Permission Denied"}â
Nov 11 21:37:46 <egaudet_work> I would rather you have people test it with ipk rather than manually patching
Nov 11 21:37:56 <egaudet_work> just in case
Nov 11 21:37:58 <dBsooner> So much work to build it
Nov 11 21:38:00 <ACap> lol
Nov 11 21:38:00 <xorg> ^last line of dbus, still stuck on 1 of 76
Nov 11 21:38:09 <egaudet_work> dBsooner, not really
Nov 11 21:38:14 <dBsooner> then you do it.. ;)
Nov 11 21:38:18 <egaudet_work> run the MAKE_PATCH script
Nov 11 21:38:21 <egaudet_work> and then cd make
Nov 11 21:38:24 <egaudet_work> cd <dir> make
Nov 11 21:38:33 <egaudet_work> and you get ipkgs/the.ipk
Nov 11 21:38:44 <dBsooner> i guess you forget I am not in ubuntu ?
Nov 11 21:38:46 <egaudet_work> I'm just recommending
Nov 11 21:38:55 <dBsooner> this is one line of code
Nov 11 21:39:01 <rwhitby> xorg: can you restart and see if there is a pattern ?
Nov 11 21:39:03 <dBsooner> I feel safe with just this one exception
Nov 11 21:39:10 <egaudet_work> dBsooner, k
Nov 11 21:39:11 <dBsooner> I can easily fix it if it messes up
Nov 11 21:39:11 <dBsooner> ;)
Nov 11 21:39:36 <xorg> restarting with dbus running...
Nov 11 21:39:40 * ACap watching surgeons argue
Nov 11 21:39:42 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: is busybox's DIFF basically GNU Diff?
Nov 11 21:40:19 <oil> rwhitby: default to 'off'?
Nov 11 21:41:14 <egaudet_work> I dunno how limited busybox diff is
Nov 11 21:41:20 <rwhitby> oil: yeah, I guess so.
Nov 11 21:41:53 <egaudet_work> dBsooner, why use busybox diff?
Nov 11 21:42:05 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: cuz I typed "diff"
Nov 11 21:42:08 <dBsooner> and that's what it gave me
Nov 11 21:42:20 <egaudet_work> dBsooner, huh?
Nov 11 21:42:21 <dBsooner> I guess I should just install gnu diff from optware
Nov 11 21:42:28 <egaudet_work> I mean why are you using diff on your pre
Nov 11 21:42:29 <egaudet_work> basically
Nov 11 21:42:38 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: because I am in emulator
Nov 11 21:42:51 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: I don't have a 1.3.1 userland made yet
Nov 11 21:42:53 <egaudet_work> ......?
Nov 11 21:43:00 <egaudet_work> oh
Nov 11 21:43:02 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: So I made this one line change to the 1.3.1 .js file
Nov 11 21:43:11 <dBsooner> and saved it as .js.new
Nov 11 21:43:19 <dBsooner> and I want to diff the orig and the .js.new
Nov 11 21:43:33 <dBsooner> untill I get my new hard drive, I can't create the 1.3.1 userland
Nov 11 21:43:39 <dBsooner> ACap: wget http://www.dbtrunk.com/screen-lock-bypass-pin.patch
Nov 11 21:44:06 <dBsooner> ACap: patch -p1 --dry-run < screen-lock-bypass-pin.patch
Nov 11 21:44:07 <marajin_> eh?
Nov 11 21:44:12 <marajin_> 1.3.1 who what now?
Nov 11 21:44:20 <dBsooner> marajin_: Ignore that I said any of that
Nov 11 21:45:28 <ACap> does it matter what my current dir is?
Nov 11 21:45:34 <dBsooner> nah
Nov 11 21:45:41 <dBsooner> your /var/home/root would be fine
Nov 11 21:45:53 <egaudet_work> it matters if you are on ro dir
Nov 11 21:45:55 <egaudet_work> in
Nov 11 21:46:13 <dBsooner> I assumed since he just opened terminal, he woulnd't be in a ro dir
Nov 11 21:46:14 <egaudet_work> path -p1 -d / --dry-run too btw
Nov 11 21:46:16 <dBsooner> he would be in the root home dir
Nov 11 21:46:23 <dBsooner> oh yeah
Nov 11 21:46:25 <egaudet_work> patch*
Nov 11 21:46:35 <ACap> I'm actuall on the pre, btw
Nov 11 21:46:45 <dBsooner> patch -p1 -d / --dry-run < screen-lock-bypass-pin.patch
Nov 11 21:46:47 <egaudet_work> well  /var/usr/bin/patch*
Nov 11 21:47:05 <dBsooner> should be linked.. but if not, we can add thaqt
Nov 11 21:47:41 <ACap> is there a Paste in the Pre terminal?
Nov 11 21:47:45 <dBsooner> no
Nov 11 21:47:50 <ACap> crap
Nov 11 21:48:00 <dBsooner> i know.. take your time
Nov 11 21:48:06 <oil> rwhitby: pushed 097 w/option
Nov 11 21:48:12 <oil> for testing
Nov 11 21:48:16 <dBsooner> you can recall your last entry by tapping Gesture+2
Nov 11 21:51:37 <xorg> was on phone call..
Nov 11 21:51:48 <xorg> ok, so stuck on 'fixing' 11 of 76
Nov 11 21:52:03 <xorg> last dbus line...
Nov 11 21:52:05 <xorg> 8104.040        PUB     return  3340    0.005   org.webosinternals.ipkgservice  com.palm.luna           «string=â{"errorCode":"ErrorGenericOperationNotPermitted", "errorText":"Permission Denied"}â
Nov 11 21:54:53 <ACap> dBsooner: okay, it claimed to patch it
Nov 11 21:55:02 <dBsooner> no.. as long as you did --dry-run
Nov 11 21:55:03 <dBsooner> it didn't
Nov 11 21:55:12 <dBsooner> now do the same command, but take out --dry-run
Nov 11 21:55:20 <ACap> ah
Nov 11 21:55:24 <ACap> ok
Nov 11 21:55:31 <dBsooner> so patch -p1 -d / < screen-lock-bypass-pin.patch
Nov 11 21:55:59 <sugardave> can someone pm me who has the 1.3 emulator and has done some sounds stuff?
Nov 11 21:56:19 <ACap> duh.  RO filesystem
Nov 11 21:56:29 <dBsooner> lol
Nov 11 21:56:31 <dBsooner> woops I forgot
Nov 11 21:56:33 <xorg> is 0.9.7 posted?  i tried update, still 9.6
Nov 11 21:56:35 <dBsooner> mount -o remount,rw /
Nov 11 21:56:45 <oil> pushed to repo
Nov 11 21:56:53 <oil> you can clone and palm-package it
Nov 11 21:57:00 <oil> its just an option to not check unknown packages
Nov 11 21:58:52 <ACap> k, rw, patched and RO again
Nov 11 21:59:15 <ACap> restart luna?
Nov 11 21:59:26 <dBsooner> yeah
Nov 11 21:59:34 <rwhitby> oil: can you tag please?
Nov 11 21:59:36 <dBsooner> and then test your lock
Nov 11 21:59:47 <ACap> k
Nov 11 21:59:49 <rwhitby> oil: then I'll push to testing feed
Nov 11 22:00:08 <dBsooner> rwhitby: how do you make the emu "lock"?
Nov 11 22:00:09 <odm4286> hey is tethering still off topic...trying to setup usbnet on a linux box
Nov 11 22:00:26 <rwhitby> odm4286: unlocked GSM Pre exists - tethering talk is fine
Nov 11 22:00:46 <rwhitby> just don't talk about violating your specific carrier's TOS
Nov 11 22:00:49 <odm4286> good can anyone help me out?
Nov 11 22:00:58 <odm4286> I'm using slackware 13
Nov 11 22:01:09 <odm4286> 64 bit and mytether
Nov 11 22:01:24 <dBsooner> odm4286: who's your carrier?
Nov 11 22:01:43 <odm4286> carrier?
Nov 11 22:01:45 <dBsooner> oh wait
Nov 11 22:01:51 <dBsooner> We can't talk about it.. :(
Nov 11 22:01:52 <rwhitby> oil: I pushed a testing tag
Nov 11 22:02:10 <dBsooner> odm4286 (n=odm42862@68-245-106-207.pools.spcsdns.net) has Joined #webos-internals
Nov 11 22:02:14 <dBsooner> your Carrier is Sprint
Nov 11 22:02:19 <dBsooner> and tethering violates their TOS
Nov 11 22:02:31 <odm4286> I'm not tethering
Nov 11 22:02:36 <odm4286> I'm on my pre :)
Nov 11 22:02:54 <dBsooner> right, but you just asked how to setup tethering.
Nov 11 22:02:57 <rwhitby> xorg: please test http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.7_all.ipk
Nov 11 22:02:58 <odm4286> I'm just curious I'm trying to learn linux
Nov 11 22:03:20 <odm4286> and I have a usb modem
Nov 11 22:03:33 <odm4286> just figuring things out
Nov 11 22:03:47 <xorg> rod, gimme a minute
Nov 11 22:03:50 <dBsooner> ahh
Nov 11 22:03:55 * rwhitby bbl (commute)
Nov 11 22:04:37 <odm4286> anyone?
Nov 11 22:05:41 <xorg> ok, 0.9.7 running with dbus
Nov 11 22:06:44 <xorg> stuck on 63 of 76 unknowns
Nov 11 22:07:01 <xorg> 0.989   PUB     return  4562    0.738   org.webosinternals.ipkgservice  com.palm.luna           «string=â{"errorCode":"ErrorGenericOperationNotPermitted", "errorText":"Permission Denied"}â                              9440.994   PUB     return  4563    0.741   org.webosinternals.ipkgservice  com.palm.luna           «string=â{"errorCode":"ErrorGenericOperationNotPermitted", "errorText":"Permission Denied"}â
Nov 11 22:07:02 <oil> there was no change to it
Nov 11 22:07:04 <ACapp> dBsooner: back
Nov 11 22:07:12 <oil> only the option to turn off checking it
Nov 11 22:07:39 <xorg> it is shut off...
Nov 11 22:07:46 <xorg> trying again...
Nov 11 22:07:55 <odm4286> anyone here familar with linux?
Nov 11 22:07:59 <dBsooner> ACapp: does the pin bypass work?
Nov 11 22:08:15 <ACapp> dBsooner: YUP!
Nov 11 22:08:25 <dBsooner> ACapp: awesome!
Nov 11 22:08:29 <dBsooner> now to get it to undo
Nov 11 22:08:32 <dBsooner> go back to terminal
Nov 11 22:08:55 <dBsooner> and do: patch -p1 -R -d / < screen-lock-pin-bypass.patch
Nov 11 22:09:02 <CdRsKuLL> evening peeps :-)
Nov 11 22:09:07 <dBsooner> oh.. mount -o remount,rw / first
Nov 11 22:09:08 <JayCanuck> hi guys
Nov 11 22:09:11 <dBsooner> sup Jason
Nov 11 22:09:13 <xorg> 'fix unknown types' is set to no yet it scans anyway
Nov 11 22:09:14 <JayCanuck> any linux gurus on?
Nov 11 22:09:29 <dBsooner> ping PuffTheMagic .. he's linux
Nov 11 22:09:34 <egaudet_work> just ask
Nov 11 22:09:35 <egaudet_work> someone will know
Nov 11 22:09:36 <dBsooner> and destinal
Nov 11 22:09:38 <ACapp> -R to remove?
Nov 11 22:09:46 <dBsooner> ACapp: -Revers
Nov 11 22:09:49 <dBsooner> reverse*
Nov 11 22:09:52 <JayCanuck> is the wifi driver,  /lib/modules/2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430/kernel/net/wifi/sd8xxx.ko   only in that folder when wifi is in use?
Nov 11 22:10:12 <ACapp> Wahhh! but I want it!  ;)
Nov 11 22:10:15 <JayCanuck> cause thayt doesn't sound right to me, lol
Nov 11 22:10:22 <odm4286> anyone kno how to get usbnet working in linux?
Nov 11 22:10:24 <egaudet_work> that's a kernel module and I'm fairly certain they stay there
Nov 11 22:10:30 <egaudet_work> whether they are loaded or not
Nov 11 22:10:47 <JayCanuck> k, ty
Nov 11 22:10:55 <elryon> yeah... i've looked at it when not on wifi
Nov 11 22:11:06 <egaudet_work> alright, bbl
Nov 11 22:11:37 <PuffTheMagic> JayCanuck: it should always be there
Nov 11 22:12:12 <JayCanuck> PuffTheMagic: ty  :)
Nov 11 22:12:49 <CdRsKuLL> using wIRC.. its fantastic I've not been on irc in years !
Nov 11 22:14:52 <ACapp> dBsooner: k, I've reversed it.  any way to make it check a timestamp and only bypass if more than x minutes have passed?
Nov 11 22:15:23 <xorg> ran 0.9.7 three times in a row, stuck twice, ran through once... will scan wether turned on or off
Nov 11 22:15:41 <xorg> whether
Nov 11 22:15:42 <dBsooner> ACapp: Maybe. I didn't really look into it that much.
Nov 11 22:15:49 <dBsooner> ACapp: I just found a quick way to bypass it.
Nov 11 22:18:47 <ACapp> dBsooner: a simple settings file and time check command would do it.  (easy for me to say, right)
Nov 11 22:18:56 <dBsooner> lol
Nov 11 22:19:04 <dBsooner> yeah.. its more about how the lock gets called and stuff
Nov 11 22:20:15 <CdRsKuLL> see you all later.. keep up the goow work.. might have to break out my coding fingers...lol
Nov 11 22:20:46 <oil> xorg: ill see whats up with the pref cookie after lunch
Nov 11 22:20:58 <ACapp> yeah, I'm a vb dev, not a webOS dev.
Nov 11 22:21:04 <oil> see if orange+tap delete preware / reinstall still checks unknowns
Nov 11 22:21:16 <xorg> will try that then reinstall
Nov 11 22:23:58 <xorg> ok, have fresh prefs on reinstall
Nov 11 22:24:17 <xorg> 'fix unknowns' set to no
Nov 11 22:24:20 <xorg> and..
Nov 11 22:24:34 <Davenukem> hey everybody.
Nov 11 22:24:36 <xorg> it worked,
Nov 11 22:24:45 <xorg> it did not scan set to no
Nov 11 22:25:06 <ACapp> thx dBsooner.  gotta run.
Nov 11 22:25:14 <xorg> setting 'fix' to yes, relaunching
Nov 11 22:25:36 <sryan_wirc> does anyone know if there are power management features for the 3g radios in smartphones
Nov 11 22:25:39 <dBsooner> ACapp: .. no thank you
Nov 11 22:26:28 <xorg> 'fix' set to yes, scanning fixing unknowns... stuck on 1 of 76
Nov 11 22:26:38 <Davenukem> wow this interesting, now I need to find irc channels for general talk  :)
Nov 11 22:29:18 <xorg> pwd
Nov 11 22:29:24 <xorg> df
Nov 11 22:29:42 <bpadalino|work> some of my favorite commands
Nov 11 22:30:00 <xorg> oops, wrong windows
Nov 11 22:30:39 <sportman> is there a voice recorder app?
Nov 11 22:30:54 <elryon> still no microphone access...
Nov 11 22:31:00 <sportman> im about to attend a lecture thought it would be convienent
Nov 11 22:31:01 <sportman> ahhh
Nov 11 22:31:02 <sportman> dam
Nov 11 22:33:12 <mumbles> yeh taht woudl be nice
Nov 11 22:33:49 <sportman> ill just use my blackberry i guess
Nov 11 22:47:26 <rwhitby> xorg: regarding the dbus capture
Nov 11 22:47:38 <rwhitby> xorg: disregard the permission denied errors - that's a red herring
Nov 11 22:48:17 <rwhitby> xorg: when it hangs, what is the last call before those?
Nov 11 22:48:20 <xorg> did you catch that i had to complete remove preware and reinstall in order for 'no fix' to take?
Nov 11 22:48:27 <xorg> i'll try again...
Nov 11 22:48:30 <rwhitby> xorg: yes - oil will fix that
Nov 11 22:48:43 <rwhitby> xorg: I want to debug the problem while you can still reproduce it
Nov 11 22:49:16 <xorg> turned fx back on
Nov 11 22:49:42 <xorg> send dbus command again...
Nov 11 22:49:57 <xorg> forgot pkg name
Nov 11 22:57:08 <rwhitby> dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice
Nov 11 23:11:04 <rwhitby> Anyone else here with Preware hangs?
Nov 11 23:15:51 * Mousey loads preware
Nov 11 23:16:14 <Mousey> oh, you mean in general?
Nov 11 23:16:20 <Mousey> only on the download screen
Nov 11 23:17:30 <rwhitby> Mousey: in the fixing unknown packages screen
Nov 11 23:18:07 <Mousey> oh. never seen that screen
Nov 11 23:18:16 <Mousey> hey! a new version of preware!
Nov 11 23:18:18 * Mousey upgrades
Nov 11 23:19:35 <oil> lol
Nov 11 23:20:36 <dBsooner> mousey watch out
Nov 11 23:20:48 <dBsooner> mousey you're going to get the "first time user" experience.
Nov 11 23:20:55 <Mousey> i totally did
Nov 11 23:20:58 <Mousey> i feel so n00bis
Nov 11 23:20:59 <Mousey> h
Nov 11 23:21:08 <gkatsev> same
Nov 11 23:21:12 <dBsooner> Love it huh?
Nov 11 23:21:21 <gkatsev> awesome
Nov 11 23:21:26 <dBsooner> it's oil's way at getting back at the man.
Nov 11 23:21:29 <Mousey> lol
Nov 11 23:21:36 <oil> it was puffs idea
Nov 11 23:21:45 * Mousey looks for neat new patches
Nov 11 23:21:49 <dBsooner> shh
Nov 11 23:21:54 <dBsooner> I have 5 committed so far
Nov 11 23:21:57 <dBsooner> they will be done soon
Nov 11 23:21:57 * Mousey yearns longingly for a jabber client
Nov 11 23:22:03 * dBsooner is working on a VERY crippled laptop.
Nov 11 23:22:22 * dBsooner is waiting on the RMA'd hard drive.. should be here tomorrow.
Nov 11 23:23:41 <gkatsev> how come "extract pdf viewer" is under linux apps?
Nov 11 23:23:49 <AZero> having trouble finding the IRC launcher app
Nov 11 23:23:56 <AZero> i've installed in via preware, but how do i start it?
Nov 11 23:23:59 <dBsooner> because it has to extract it
Nov 11 23:24:14 <dBsooner> that is just the extracter to be able to "patch" it
Nov 11 23:24:18 <dBsooner> no other reason to extract it
Nov 11 23:24:22 <gkatsev> i guess
Nov 11 23:24:31 <dBsooner> ask egaudet
Nov 11 23:24:35 <AZero> anyone who has actually gotten this to work?
Nov 11 23:24:48 <AZero> maybe you are in here right now on your pre
Nov 11 23:24:49 <gkatsev> AZero: gotten what?
Nov 11 23:24:56 <AZero> irc on pre
Nov 11 23:24:57 <gkatsev> wirc?
Nov 11 23:24:59 <dBsooner> AZero: we all have gotten it to work
Nov 11 23:25:03 <dBsooner> and its wIRC
Nov 11 23:25:04 <Rick-work> many of us have run wirc
Nov 11 23:25:06 <dBsooner> did you install both?
Nov 11 23:25:06 <AZero> "wIRC"
Nov 11 23:25:20 <AZero> there's an app with it?
Nov 11 23:25:23 <dBsooner> the wIRCd service and wIRC
Nov 11 23:25:33 <dBsooner> might be why you dont' see it in the list
Nov 11 23:25:34 <AZero> i got the service
Nov 11 23:25:38 <Rick-work> two parts, the service and the app ]
Nov 11 23:25:39 <AZero> ill check for the wIRC
Nov 11 23:25:42 <AZero> is it under apps?
Nov 11 23:25:42 <Rick-work> you must have both
Nov 11 23:26:04 <AZero> loading it up =)
Nov 11 23:26:18 * rwhitby thinks the wIRCd service needs a description like ipkgservice ...
Nov 11 23:26:45 * dBsooner does too
Nov 11 23:26:56 * dBsooner thinks it shouldn't have been called wIRCd
Nov 11 23:27:17 <oil> i think people should just install wirc and let it auto-install wircd
Nov 11 23:27:22 <dBsooner> that too
Nov 11 23:27:25 <dBsooner> hide wIRCd
Nov 11 23:28:20 <rwhitby> AZero: can you tell us how you saw the service before the app?
Nov 11 23:29:26 <AZero> i went into preware
Nov 11 23:29:35 <AZero> and looked under services
Nov 11 23:29:37 <AZero> category
Nov 11 23:29:50 <AZero> checked there first because it was new and only had 1 addition
Nov 11 23:31:55 * Mousey installs wircd
Nov 11 23:31:59 <Mousey> +wirc
Nov 11 23:34:21 <Mousey> BUT!
Nov 11 23:34:24 <Mousey> BUG! i mean
Nov 11 23:34:35 <Mousey> i filled out the server information form, hit back.. ALL GONE! D=
Nov 11 23:35:10 <Mousey> does "Password" refer to IRC Server password? or nickserv password?
Nov 11 23:35:10 <AZero> werid
Nov 11 23:35:12 <AZero> weird
Nov 11 23:35:16 <AZero> mine is having trouble connecting
Nov 11 23:35:21 <AZero> i think you have to restart luna
Nov 11 23:35:22 <dBsooner> do /join #wirc
Nov 11 23:35:23 <dBsooner> ;)
Nov 11 23:35:31 <dBsooner> #wirc is the support channel for wirc
Nov 11 23:35:37 <AZero> yea i added the command /join #webos-internals
Nov 11 23:35:39 <AZero> but its not working
Nov 11 23:35:59 <dBsooner> no, join that in the client you are using on yoru computer
Nov 11 23:36:00 <dBsooner> ;)
Nov 11 23:36:02 <Mousey> BUG!
Nov 11 23:36:08 <Mousey> i DID change my nick away from wIRCuser
Nov 11 23:36:18 <Mousey> wIRCer
Nov 11 23:36:20 <Mousey> i mean
Nov 11 23:36:27 <AZero> you have to do it in the upper left
Nov 11 23:36:31 <AZero> outside of those options
Nov 11 23:36:34 <dBsooner> go join #wirc
Nov 11 23:36:37 <AZero> it says how, its global identity
Nov 11 23:36:38 <JohnDoes1908> hi thanka for the irc client i use it right now, ist great
Nov 11 23:36:42 <AZero> i g2g to dinner bbl, ty zooner
Nov 11 23:36:44 <AZero> sooner
Nov 11 23:37:13 <Mousey> oh not a bug
Nov 11 23:37:14 <Mousey> i'm a dumbass
Nov 11 23:37:29 <Mousey> the first one i found is bug tho!
Nov 11 23:37:36 <Mousey> oh
Nov 11 23:37:37 <rwhitby> Mousey: #wirc, not here.
Nov 11 23:37:38 <Mousey> #wirc
Nov 11 23:37:38 <Mousey> nm
Nov 11 23:37:40 <Mousey> soory
Nov 11 23:37:48 <Mousey> w00t!
Nov 11 23:38:04 <JohnDoes1908> can u join euirc with the wirc client? doesnt work for me
Nov 11 23:39:19 <JohnDoes1908> the exact servername is irc.euirc.net
Nov 11 23:39:44 <rwhitby> JohnDoes1908: #wirc
Nov 11 23:39:59 <JohnDoes1908> oh thanks
Nov 11 23:40:12 <JohnDoes1908> sorry@ll
Nov 11 23:40:24 <dBsooner> rwhitby: add that to this channels topic
Nov 11 23:40:37 <dBsooner> "#wirc for wIRC/d support"
Nov 11 23:40:41 <Mousey> lol
Nov 11 23:40:49 <Mousey> c'mon jabber next! plz!!
Nov 11 23:40:51 <Mousey> i ship beer!
Nov 11 23:40:54 <dBsooner> that's what the channel is there for. ;)
Nov 11 23:40:56 <Mousey> over state lines if need be1
Nov 11 23:40:57 <oil> what do you need op for?
Nov 11 23:41:03 <Mousey> i'm joking
Nov 11 23:41:06 <oil> wrong channel
Nov 11 23:41:21 <rwhitby> infobot: wirc is "Please use the #wirc channel for all questions, queries, statements, appreciation, abuse, bugs, requests, and anything else to do with the wIRC application."
Nov 11 23:41:22 <infobot> rwhitby: okay
Nov 11 23:41:25 <rwhitby> ~wirc
Nov 11 23:41:27 <infobot> [wirc] "Please use the #wirc channel for all questions, queries, statements, appreciation, abuse, bugs, requests, and anything else to do with the wIRC application."
Nov 11 23:41:34 <dBsooner> that's better
Nov 11 23:41:38 <oil> lol
Nov 11 23:41:52 <dBsooner> edit that
Nov 11 23:42:00 <dBsooner> wIRC application AND its service."
Nov 11 23:42:17 <rwhitby> infobot: wirc is "Please use the #wirc channel for all questions, queries, statements, appreciation, abuse, bugs, requests, and anything else to do with the wIRC application and/or the wIRCd service."
Nov 11 23:42:19 <infobot> ...but wirc is already something else...
Nov 11 23:42:24 <rwhitby> infobot: no, wirc is "Please use the #wirc channel for all questions, queries, statements, appreciation, abuse, bugs, requests, and anything else to do with the wIRC application and/or the wIRCd service."
Nov 11 23:42:25 <infobot> rwhitby: okay
Nov 11 23:42:29 <dBsooner> lol
Nov 11 23:42:30 <rwhitby> ~botsnack
Nov 11 23:42:31 <infobot> aw, gee, rwhitby
Nov 11 23:42:32 <dBsooner> ~botsnack
Nov 11 23:42:49 <dBsooner> ~kick infobot
Nov 11 23:42:50 * infobot kicks infobot
Nov 11 23:42:52 <dBsooner> don't message me!
Nov 11 23:42:58 <rwhitby> infobot knows who his master is ...
Nov 11 23:42:59 <infobot> rwhitby: okay
Nov 11 23:48:08 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I have questions about git
Nov 11 23:51:15 <oil> like anyone reads the topic
Nov 11 23:51:17 <oil> lolol
Nov 11 23:51:40 <dBsooner> if they don't?
Nov 11 23:51:44 <dBsooner> oil I have this:
Nov 11 23:51:46 <dBsooner> ~wirc
Nov 11 23:51:48 <infobot> [wirc] "Please use the #wirc channel for all questions, queries, statements, appreciation, abuse, bugs, requests, and anything else to do with the wIRC application and/or the wIRCd service."
Nov 11 23:51:50 <dBsooner> :)
Nov 11 23:55:06 <dBsooner> rwhitby: my question is:
Nov 11 23:55:22 <dBsooner> I have made modifications to master, I have commited and pushed them.
Nov 11 23:55:32 <dBsooner> I then checked out webos-1.3.1
Nov 11 23:55:58 <dBsooner> and made a change to one of the files pushed in the master branch. I add it, commit it, and push it.
Nov 11 23:56:10 <dBsooner> do I add the tag for 1.3.1-8 Here?
Nov 11 23:56:27 <dBsooner> or do I checkout master add tag v1.3.1-8 and v1.2.1-25 and then push --tags?
Nov 12 00:00:10 <rwhitby> dBsooner: add the tag on the branch
Nov 12 00:00:22 <rwhitby> where the commit is
Nov 12 00:00:26 <dBsooner> ok
Nov 12 00:00:45 <dBsooner> so I'd have to push --tags from branch
Nov 12 00:00:50 <dBsooner> then move to master, tag it there too
Nov 12 00:00:56 <rwhitby> if the file is the same for 1.2 and 1.3, then you can tag on master. if it's different (and therefore you needed to commit it on the branch) then tag on the branch.
Nov 12 00:00:56 <dBsooner> or can I have two tags?
Nov 12 00:01:17 <rwhitby> a tag is just an alias for a commit id
Nov 12 00:01:20 <dBsooner> so technically, i would have two separate tag version #'s
Nov 12 00:01:21 <dBsooner> gotcha
Nov 12 00:01:35 <dBsooner> 1.3.1-8 would be on the master for all the ones i pushe dto master that are same for 1.3.1 and 1.2.1
Nov 12 00:01:47 <dBsooner> and 1.3.1-9 would be pushed on webos-1.3.1 for the ones that are DIFFERENT on 1.3.1
Nov 12 00:02:15 <rwhitby> yep.  I find that easier than trying to cherry-pick from one branch to the other just so all the 1.3 tags are on the 1.3 branch
Nov 12 00:02:24 <dBsooner> gotcha
Nov 12 00:02:39 <dBsooner> good thing I have only one 1.3.1 that is diff so far
Nov 12 00:02:49 <dBsooner> the other ones that aren't applying cleanly, I am going to leave for dev to do
Nov 12 00:02:59 <dBsooner> OR.. i'll get to it when I get my new hard drive tomorrow
Nov 12 00:03:14 <dBsooner> I ahve updated my spreadsheet btw.
Nov 12 00:03:18 <rwhitby> oil: I can't see anything wrong with cookie fixUnknowns stuff - any theory on why it didn't work out of the box for xorg?
Nov 12 00:04:28 <oil> idk, it worked after update for me :/
Nov 12 00:10:15 <doodums> http://i.imgur.com/OCLzJ.gif
Nov 12 00:10:16 <doodums> http://i.imgur.com/OCLzJ.gif
Nov 12 00:10:16 <doodums> http://i.imgur.com/OCLzJ.gif
Nov 12 00:10:24 <doodums> oh damnit. wrong channel.
Nov 12 00:15:03 <oil> what channel was that intended for?
Nov 12 00:15:31 <fearphage> is there a business card reader app?
Nov 12 00:15:39 <_droO> 4chan[nel]
Nov 12 00:15:56 <doodums> oil: an entirely different network, actually
Nov 12 00:15:57 <fearphage> i was thinking that would be useful and a good starter project
Nov 12 00:15:58 <doodums> ahah.
Nov 12 00:16:31 <_droO> fearphage over bt? or
Nov 12 00:19:10 <fearphage> _droO: from an image
Nov 12 00:19:49 <_droO> yes, but sent by bt?
Nov 12 00:20:18 <fearphage> by bluetooth?
Nov 12 00:20:26 <_droO> yea
Nov 12 00:20:28 <_droO> obex
Nov 12 00:20:31 <fearphage> no, take a picture of a business card
Nov 12 00:20:33 <fearphage> ocr
Nov 12 00:20:40 <fearphage> or text recognition
Nov 12 00:20:50 <fearphage> to make it a contact
Nov 12 00:21:06 <_droO> oh :)
Nov 12 00:25:01 <fearphage> _droO: seen that before?
Nov 12 00:25:11 <fearphage> i'm wondering how to go about it
Nov 12 00:25:28 <fearphage> getting the image is drop dead simple
Nov 12 00:33:21 <_droO> do you know of any js ocr scripts?
Nov 12 00:33:22 <_droO> ;o
Nov 12 00:33:33 <rboatright> fearphage:   on-pre ocr is going to be pretty processor intensive isn't it, even in C?
Nov 12 00:33:35 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: ping
Nov 12 00:33:48 <rboatright> as palm and sprint keep saying,  embrace the cloud.
Nov 12 00:34:04 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: ?
Nov 12 00:34:16 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: I have a slew of "new files" i added to my working dir in git
Nov 12 00:34:17 <rboatright> ~infobot slap Mousey
Nov 12 00:34:19 * infobot slaps Mousey, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
Nov 12 00:34:20 <dBsooner> but git status doesn't show some
Nov 12 00:34:23 <Mousey> ow
Nov 12 00:34:23 <Mousey> sorry
Nov 12 00:34:37 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: it wont
Nov 12 00:34:40 <dBsooner> and git add <file> doesn't do anything
Nov 12 00:34:44 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: till you "git add ."
Nov 12 00:34:47 <dBsooner> I did that
Nov 12 00:34:57 <PuffTheMagic> are they getting clobbered by a .gitignore?
Nov 12 00:35:00 <dBsooner> like it shows the .LICENSE
Nov 12 00:35:06 <dBsooner> but not .patch
Nov 12 00:35:11 <dBsooner> nope
Nov 12 00:35:16 <dBsooner> no .gitignores
Nov 12 00:35:28 <PuffTheMagic> i never use git status
Nov 12 00:35:30 <PuffTheMagic> so idk
Nov 12 00:35:32 <dBsooner> lol
Nov 12 00:35:39 <jauderho> rwhitby: ping
Nov 12 00:35:43 <dBsooner> it just worries me that they won't be sent in the push
Nov 12 00:35:46 <dBsooner> or the commit
Nov 12 00:35:51 <PuffTheMagic> well...
Nov 12 00:35:53 <dBsooner> how do I check the tracking status?
Nov 12 00:36:01 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Nov 12 00:36:04 <PuffTheMagic> what i do
Nov 12 00:36:04 <rwhitby> jauderho: syn|ack
Nov 12 00:36:05 <dBsooner> to see if those files are actually in the track?
Nov 12 00:36:06 <PuffTheMagic> when im not sure
Nov 12 00:36:09 <PuffTheMagic> it just commit them
Nov 12 00:36:13 <PuffTheMagic> then use git show
Nov 12 00:36:17 <PuffTheMagic> and look at the diff
Nov 12 00:36:22 <dBsooner> ok
Nov 12 00:36:23 <PuffTheMagic> to make sur eeverything was included that i wanted
Nov 12 00:36:34 <PuffTheMagic> then if there is extra cruft
Nov 12 00:36:43 <PuffTheMagic> i save the diff somewhere
Nov 12 00:36:47 <PuffTheMagic> and/or the files
Nov 12 00:36:50 <PuffTheMagic> in a temp dir
Nov 12 00:36:50 <jauderho> rwhitby: is there a bug with the installed version field on preware? it seems to reflect the version available for install (newer) than the currently installed ver.
Nov 12 00:36:56 <PuffTheMagic> then i git reset --hard <commitid>
Nov 12 00:37:05 <PuffTheMagic> where commit id is the commit before my messed up commit
Nov 12 00:37:06 <dBsooner> ok
Nov 12 00:37:10 <PuffTheMagic> then i copy back the good files
Nov 12 00:37:14 <PuffTheMagic> and re commit
Nov 12 00:37:20 <jauderho> for example, when I was updating preware yesterday. it showed 0.9.6 in both fields even though I was still on 0.9.5
Nov 12 00:37:31 <dBsooner> ok
Nov 12 00:37:43 <rwhitby> jauderho: quite possibly.  oil and I have been trying to track that one down for a long time.
Nov 12 00:38:02 <jauderho> okay. just wanted to make sure I wasnt seeing things
Nov 12 00:38:02 <rwhitby> jauderho: you don't have any testing feed enabled, and have not manually installed any alpha versions?
Nov 12 00:38:12 <jauderho> no testing feed enabled
Nov 12 00:38:18 <jauderho> no alpha versions installed
Nov 12 00:38:27 <jauderho> I have occasionally installed via cmdline
Nov 12 00:38:38 <jauderho> but do the whole bit as listed on the wiki
Nov 12 00:39:09 <rwhitby> jauderho: sounds like a real bug.  Can you do a dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice for us that covers Preware startup?
Nov 12 00:39:28 <jauderho> strange though I thought 0.9.6 was supposed to remove the app space limit? I still get no space to install errs
Nov 12 00:39:54 <rwhitby> jauderho: how much free space do you have in /var ?
Nov 12 00:40:29 <jauderho> hold on. I'm doing the capture
Nov 12 00:40:30 <rwhitby> if less than 100MiB, you've hit the safety limit and need to either increase /var size or use MvApp to move stuff to /media/internal
Nov 12 00:41:21 <AMRCC> is runnin dbus-util too... already disabled all feeds and gets hung at fixin 1 of 78
Nov 12 00:41:54 <rwhitby> oil: I'm wondering whether we need a more user-friendly phrase than "Fixing Unknown Packages" - maybe "Importing Additional Package Data" or something?
Nov 12 00:42:25 <rwhitby> AMRCC: excellent - we'll be interested in the trace.
Nov 12 00:43:04 <jauderho> rwhitby: here is the pastebin, it's sizable http://webos.pastebin.com/d29b16e0f
Nov 12 00:43:24 <jauderho> "Fixing Unknown Packages"  sounds omnious
Nov 12 00:43:49 <rwhitby> jauderho: ah, can you do a capture with only the webos-internals feed enabled?
Nov 12 00:44:29 <AMRCC> k this time it did fixin 1...78 of 79 and is stuck there - should i swipe away preware first or get the cap while it is stuck
Nov 12 00:44:40 <jauderho> rwhitby: ok
Nov 12 00:44:47 <jauderho> btw I have  54.8M free in /var
Nov 12 00:44:54 <rwhitby> oil: http://webos.pastebin.com/d29b16e0f - see the end of that - are we pipelining the calls too deeply or something?
Nov 12 00:45:16 <rwhitby> AMRCC: you need to start the capture before starting Preware
Nov 12 00:45:25 <AMRCC> I did
Nov 12 00:46:05 <AMRCC> preware is sittin at fixin...78 of 79  ...do you want to to close PW before getting the cap?
Nov 12 00:46:57 <jauderho> gak. someone needs to write up a best practices doc for webos dev. seeing apps include their own copies of prototype.js, etc.
Nov 12 00:47:25 <rwhitby> AMRCC: what's in the capture right now is fine, thanks.
Nov 12 00:48:30 <rwhitby> AMRCC: webos.pastebin.com please
Nov 12 00:48:39 <AMRCC> workin
Nov 12 00:48:49 <rwhitby> AMRCC: thx - appreciated
Nov 12 00:49:30 <rboatright> jauderho:   that's in process actually
Nov 12 00:50:38 <jauderho> rboatright: url?
Nov 12 00:51:04 <rboatright> jauderho:   off line for the time being
Nov 12 00:51:11 <jauderho> the evernote app includes a translate.engine directory that does not seem to be used. (7.2M!)
Nov 12 00:51:24 <jauderho> rboatright: okay
Nov 12 00:52:19 <jauderho> whoa gdial pro now using the closure compiler. excellent.
Nov 12 00:52:31 <gkatsev> yeah
Nov 12 00:55:04 <dBsooner> rwhitby ping
Nov 12 00:55:37 <rwhitby> dBsooner: yes
Nov 12 00:55:43 <AMRCC> rwhitby: do I have to rw the vol first?  ran it from /var/home/root
Nov 12 00:55:59 <dBsooner> rwhitby: can you by chance pastebin me your modifications/.git/config file?
Nov 12 00:56:11 <dBsooner> I have an a wierd warning that might be why I am having issue tagging 1.3.1
Nov 12 00:56:15 <rwhitby> AMRCC: nope - all dbus-util does is output text - it doesn't write to the filesystem
Nov 12 00:56:53 <AMRCC> ooo I ran from term...can I pipe it to a file?
Nov 12 00:57:21 <rwhitby> AMRCC: best to use novaterm or WOSQI so you can cut and paste
Nov 12 00:57:28 <AMRCC> k one sec
Nov 12 00:58:56 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ?
Nov 12 00:59:23 <AMRCC> typical...qi pooched on me...brb
Nov 12 01:03:12 <rwhitby> dBsooner: emailed
Nov 12 01:03:30 <dBsooner> rwhitby: thank you
Nov 12 01:04:57 <AMRCC> almost there...
Nov 12 01:05:41 <dBsooner> rwhitby: exactly what mine says
Nov 12 01:05:41 <dBsooner> hmm
Nov 12 01:05:48 <dBsooner> wonder why I keep getting this message:
Nov 12 01:07:03 <dBsooner> rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/d214246de
Nov 12 01:07:28 <dBsooner> i should probably do "git push master"
Nov 12 01:07:37 <dBsooner> instead of "git push"
Nov 12 01:08:04 <dBsooner> or set the global config 'push.default' to "current"
Nov 12 01:09:29 <destinal> jauderho: hmm, does closure end up obfuscating in effect as well as optimizing?
Nov 12 01:09:51 <jauderho> destinal: that's always a side effect in any js compressor
Nov 12 01:10:24 <dBsooner> rwhitby: odd.. all the stuff I just pushed to master isn't there when I "git checkout webos-1.3.1"
Nov 12 01:10:35 <jauderho> what I am curious about is the effect of javascript memory usage before and after using a compressor
Nov 12 01:11:02 <AMRCC> while im waitin...the fixin message would get thru a different number for me different times...before i disabled all feeds it got stuck at 1 of 23...then 22 of 23 and I think I remember a 2 of 23...after disabled feeds it would get thru random nums between 1 and 79
Nov 12 01:11:11 <destinal> I bet you can tell a lot with d8
Nov 12 01:11:20 <destinal> (v8 engine debugger)
Nov 12 01:11:45 <jauderho> destinal: possible to use inside the pre?
Nov 12 01:11:53 <destinal> jauderho: yeah, it ships on the pre
Nov 12 01:12:05 <jauderho> oh really. cool. will have to check it out
Nov 12 01:12:34 <jauderho> oops.
Nov 12 01:12:40 <jauderho> typing just d8
Nov 12 01:12:51 <jauderho> gives me a fatal error =)
Nov 12 01:13:05 <destinal> hmm, you can try "debug" which is a shell script wrapper
Nov 12 01:13:24 <rwhitby> AMRCC: yeah, that's what's leading me to believe it's some sort of limit or bug in luna messaging that we're unwittingly tickling
Nov 12 01:13:38 <destinal> I've never used d8 with or without the wrapper so I don't know if it does what you want or not, but it would seem to make sense
Nov 12 01:14:43 <AMRCC> k doctor finished downloading (i forgot I havnt run qi on this vm yet)...so qi command line and paste dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice correct?
Nov 12 01:14:59 <AMRCC> then start pw
Nov 12 01:15:52 <AMRCC> ?
Nov 12 01:19:53 <AMRCC> rw...u there?
Nov 12 01:20:30 <AMRCC> db how bout u
Nov 12 01:20:46 <rwhitby> AMRCC: yep
Nov 12 01:21:05 <rwhitby> AMRCC: to get my attention, use 'rwhitby' rather than a contraction
Nov 12 01:21:32 <AMRCC> ko forgot bout the beeps
Nov 12 01:21:57 <rwhitby> no beeps here, but a flag on an icon
Nov 12 01:22:04 <AMRCC> so qi command line and paste dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice then start pw... correct?
Nov 12 01:22:09 <rwhitby> yes
Nov 12 01:22:32 <rwhitby> with qi command line, sometime the whole output is not shown until you disconnect the Pre for some reason.
Nov 12 01:22:43 <AMRCC> the qi button says please wai.....k
Nov 12 01:22:50 <AMRCC> disconnectin
Nov 12 01:22:56 <rwhitby> so when it hangs, disconnect the USB on the pre and see if it outputs more
Nov 12 01:23:15 <AMRCC> yep pastinbin now
Nov 12 01:24:42 <AMRCC> crap now qi froze...ill try again...
Nov 12 01:25:38 <AMRCC> http://webos.pastebin.com/d47a4c21e
Nov 12 01:26:04 <bpadalino> wow! lots of output
Nov 12 01:26:50 <AMRCC> so on a side note...hows come it is so hard to find preware on precentral all of a sudden?
Nov 12 01:27:14 <AMRCC> the thread i mean
Nov 12 01:27:19 <rwhitby> AMRCC: looked in the webos-internals sub-forum?
Nov 12 01:28:32 <jauderho> rwhitby: you only want the output of the webos-internals feed right?
Nov 12 01:29:27 <rwhitby> jauderho: yep
Nov 12 01:29:54 <AMRCC> bpadalino> gots lots of stuff on my pre :)
Nov 12 01:29:56 <jauderho> okay
Nov 12 01:29:59 <rwhitby> AMRCC: thanks - that's the info we need, there's not anything else you can provide now until we work out a hypothesis that needs testing.  thanks for your help.
Nov 12 01:30:06 <jauderho> hold on, gotta turn off a bunch of feeds
Nov 12 01:30:08 <bpadalino> AMRCC, yeah it seems like it!
Nov 12 01:30:27 <AMRCC> ko any time...likes helpin smart ppl
Nov 12 01:31:09 <rwhitby> oil: http://webos.pastebin.com/d47a4c21e <- any idea about the permission denied errors?
Nov 12 01:31:56 <jauderho> rwhitby: here you go http://webos.pastebin.com/d4cd012a3
Nov 12 01:31:59 <rwhitby> AMRCC: did you swipe to kill Preware before cutting and pasteing, or is that the exact state when Preware was still sitting there hanging?
Nov 12 01:32:23 <AMRCC> not to pile on...but...the Calendar default to month patch is still broke too
Nov 12 01:32:32 <bpadalino> looks like "cancel" is when it starts popping up the error
Nov 12 01:33:09 <bpadalino> what exactly is /com/palm/luna/private/cancel
Nov 12 01:33:34 <AMRCC> crap i did it three times and didn't keep it straight in my mem...I think I swiped it when I had to disconnect it.
Nov 12 01:33:44 <AMRCC> want me to do it again?
Nov 12 01:33:46 <quotemstr> Is it possible to configure the mail client to present a client SSL certificate?
Nov 12 01:33:59 <quotemstr> And by configure, I mean hack up. :-)
Nov 12 01:34:14 <linuxnewb> hey guys
Nov 12 01:34:15 <rwhitby> AMRCC: yes please - I'm interested in the last line while it is still hung
Nov 12 01:34:39 <jauderho> oops. left by mistake
Nov 12 01:34:44 <linuxnewb> can someone please help me get my pre working with my linux box
Nov 12 01:34:49 <rwhitby> AMRCC: all the lines from 234 onwards I think are after you swiped.
Nov 12 01:34:56 <AMRCC> ko ... 1 sec.  PS is there anything in all that dump that I should worry about postin there?
Nov 12 01:35:16 <rwhitby> AMRCC: it only has the names of the apps you have installed.  no other personal infomation
Nov 12 01:35:24 <AMRCC> kewl
Nov 12 01:35:44 <AMRCC> crap now someone is callin hang on
Nov 12 01:35:54 <rwhitby> (and it has all the metadata associated with each of those apps, but assuming they are all publicly available apps then it's all public info)
Nov 12 01:36:03 <linuxnewb> anyone here good with linux?
Nov 12 01:36:18 <linuxnewb> been googling all day can't get anywhere
Nov 12 01:36:46 <AMRCC> just wanted to make sure no cookies/usernames/pwds or phone nums are in there....
Nov 12 01:37:18 <AMRCC> i only set it to one day so it will automatically get deletd right?
Nov 12 01:37:25 <linuxnewb> anyone?
Nov 12 01:38:08 <bpadalino> linuxnewb, what is your question ?
Nov 12 01:38:29 <AMRCC> so you want me to swipe or not?
Nov 12 01:38:35 <dBsooner> did you all notice the size of the package lists?
Nov 12 01:38:41 <dBsooner> I think the other day it was over 1000
Nov 12 01:38:43 <dBsooner> in Preware
Nov 12 01:40:08 <rwhitby> AMRCC: nothing of that sort is in there.  it's all messages to and from the Package Manager Service
Nov 12 01:40:34 <rwhitby> AMRCC: don't swipe.  capture, start preware, hang, disconnect, copy and pastebin
Nov 12 01:40:56 <rwhitby> dBsooner: 1070+, but that's including 700+ themes
Nov 12 01:41:01 <AMRCC> http://webos.pastebin.com/d609aa170
Nov 12 01:41:05 <dBsooner> yeah, I was including themes
Nov 12 01:41:06 <dBsooner> lol
Nov 12 01:41:22 * dBsooner is punching himself for not "making" more often.
Nov 12 01:41:38 <dBsooner> It's take for dang ever to download all these ipk's from prethemer.
Nov 12 01:41:40 <rwhitby> AMRCC: that's perfect, thanks.
Nov 12 01:42:06 <dBsooner> AMRCC: We clashed today.. and you didn't even know it
Nov 12 01:42:11 <AMRCC> ps I have a few of the patches you mentioned in your post "packages that are installed but are not in any preware feed"
Nov 12 01:42:54 <AMRCC> clashed?
Nov 12 01:42:55 <dBsooner> I wasn't paying attention to the patches that had been submitted through the form ... I was thinking last night of a way to bypass the pin screen.
Nov 12 01:43:06 <dBsooner> and I was in there and did the EXACT same thing you did
Nov 12 01:43:46 <dBsooner> just did a 'this.unlock(); return;' in the setup the pin pad function
Nov 12 01:43:53 <AMRCC> did I do the patch right?  It was my first one...
Nov 12 01:43:58 <dBsooner> AMRCC yep
Nov 12 01:44:05 <dBsooner> The exact way I would ahve done it too
Nov 12 01:44:12 <dBsooner> I went ahead and did it for 1.3.1 as well
Nov 12 01:44:21 <dBsooner> because 1.3.1 has different code base in that area
Nov 12 01:44:27 <dBsooner> so it took a little bit of tweaking
Nov 12 01:44:29 <AMRCC> kewl...many are waitin for it...possible to get it in the feed list promptly? :)
Nov 12 01:44:43 <dBsooner> it will be there in about 15 mins
Nov 12 01:44:52 <AMRCC> gawd i love this shit
Nov 12 01:45:13 <dBsooner> (I am waiting on MY build to finish to verify that the 1.2.1 and 1.3.1 are in deed DIFFERENT before I push my autobuild changes to the main server)
Nov 12 01:45:31 * dBsooner doesn't want rwhitby eating him tonight.
Nov 12 01:45:42 <AMRCC> tmi...
Nov 12 01:45:48 <dBsooner> lol
Nov 12 01:45:50 <dBsooner> not in that form
Nov 12 01:45:52 * rwhitby hasn't had lunch yet ...
Nov 12 01:46:05 <dBsooner> Plus he's across the big bond
Nov 12 01:46:07 <AMRCC> AMRCC had a carrot for lunch
Nov 12 01:46:42 <AMRCC> going to get some food now...thanks for reminding me im hungry
Nov 12 01:46:46 <dBsooner> lol
Nov 12 01:46:47 <dBsooner> ok
Nov 12 01:47:27 <linuxnewb> anyone know is slackware supports usb networking
Nov 12 01:47:36 <dBsooner> rwhitby: this prethemer scraper doesn't download EVERY package each time does it?
Nov 12 01:47:41 <dBsooner> it only gets NEW packages, correct?
Nov 12 01:48:10 <dBsooner> linuxnewb: LOL.. name changed.. nice.. I don't know if slackware does or not. I know the debian flavors do
Nov 12 01:48:17 <dBsooner> as well as gentoo
Nov 12 01:48:59 <dBsooner> destinal, rwhitby, PuffTheMagic, egaudet, would probably be the ones to ask about that linuxnewb.
Nov 12 01:49:22 <linuxnewb> thanks man
Nov 12 01:49:31 <PuffTheMagic> linuxnewb: all linux distros do
Nov 12 01:49:43 <dBsooner> see
Nov 12 01:49:47 <dBsooner> you just gotta ping them
Nov 12 01:49:58 <linuxnewb> well I'm going to usb tether my pre but using a wifi signal
Nov 12 01:50:04 <dBsooner> (put their name in the message .. makes their irc go ding.. and a flash alert)
Nov 12 01:50:19 <PuffTheMagic> linuxnewb: ummmm that dont make any sense, but good luck
Nov 12 01:50:29 <rwhitby> AMRCC: so http://webos.pastebin.com/d609aa170 is the capture without a swipe?
Nov 12 01:51:35 <rwhitby> AMRCC: is the output any shorter if you cut and paste before disconnecting?
Nov 12 01:51:41 <linuxnewb> make sense?
Nov 12 01:52:07 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: I think he meant he is going to use his Pre as a Wifi Card?
Nov 12 01:52:11 <bpadalino> it looks like there's maybe a backlog of calls ?
Nov 12 01:52:27 <bpadalino> the call stack may be getting too large and triggering luna to cancel the calls ?
Nov 12 01:52:32 <linuxnewb> yes
Nov 12 01:52:36 <linuxnewb> exactly
Nov 12 01:52:52 <linuxnewb> I have comcast at home running into a wifi router
Nov 12 01:53:00 <AMRCC> rwhiby yep
Nov 12 01:53:25 <linuxnewb> now on this box I'm trying to use my pre as a usb wifi receiver basicly
Nov 12 01:53:33 <AMRCC> cant cutnpaste b4 disconnectin
Nov 12 01:53:35 <linuxnewb> make sense?
Nov 12 01:53:39 <fearphage> do you know the wifi chipset of the pre?
Nov 12 01:54:07 <linuxnewb> no I can prolly look it up though
Nov 12 01:54:19 <linuxnewb> I'm using  slackware 13 by the way
Nov 12 01:54:25 <dBsooner> rwhitby: did you get my question on if the prethemer scraper just got new files, or if it pulled all?
Nov 12 01:54:42 <PuffTheMagic> linuxnewb: there is a wiki posting that lists the exact modules/kernel config u need to do usbnet with the pre\
Nov 12 01:54:53 <rwhitby> dBsooner: new
Nov 12 01:55:07 <dBsooner> rwhitby: sheesh.. how many does he add a day?
Nov 12 01:55:11 <rwhitby> bpadalino: that's my working theory at the moment too
Nov 12 01:55:23 <linuxnewb> guess not lol
Nov 12 01:55:31 <rwhitby> dBsooner: none - he has an automated system where users submit
Nov 12 01:56:05 <dBsooner> nice
Nov 12 01:56:15 <rwhitby> AMRCC: ah, so you have to disconnect before qi will show any output?
Nov 12 01:57:08 <AMRCC> yep...if I turn a feed back on it fixin message only was xof 20something...want me to do that?
Nov 12 01:57:08 <rwhitby> bpadalino: my idea is to try and serialise the calls and responses, so only one outstanding call at a time, along with a preference to turn it off cause it will be slow.
Nov 12 01:57:34 <bpadalino> good idea
Nov 12 01:57:39 <rwhitby> AMRCC: is there any pattern to the X of Y?  is X always Y-1 ?
Nov 12 01:59:35 <AMRCC> mostly 1of or y-1 but I also saw  2of and 17of just after the "loadin packag...complete" message
Nov 12 01:59:53 <AMRCC> have done it about 25 times now
Nov 12 02:00:26 <AMRCC> ps how can this be workin for max?
Nov 12 02:04:29 <rwhitby> AMRCC: it's working for lots of people - we haven't found the pattern for those it's not working for.
Nov 12 02:04:43 <rwhitby> My guess it that it gets more likely the more app catalog apps installed.
Nov 12 02:05:24 <rwhitby> AMRCC: can you start a poll of the people in the Preware thread who are having problems to see how many app catalog apps they have installed, and try and find a pattern?
Nov 12 02:05:29 <AMRCC> lets see .... background....been usin qi since 1st ver...ran a coulpe emoney scripts to fix vk when it was broke...patched a few files manually....
Nov 12 02:05:46 <AMRCC> sure.
Nov 12 02:06:31 <rwhitby> AMRCC: since it varies so much and only gets some people, I have to assume it's some limit that is being pushed rather than a broken file somewhere
Nov 12 02:07:51 <AMRCC> is there an easy way to count app store apps?
Nov 12 02:08:40 <rwhitby> AMRCC: the Y in X of Y is a good indicator, if all Preware feeds are enabled.
Nov 12 02:09:11 <rwhitby> AMRCC: does that match reality for you?
Nov 12 02:09:28 <AMRCC> so why was mine 23 when they were enabled but when i disabled the feeds it is 79
Nov 12 02:10:47 <the-gator> mine is 76 when i disable the feeds
Nov 12 02:11:33 <AMRCC> just got stuck on 65 of 79
Nov 12 02:12:28 <AMRCC> canuck was only feed enabled for that one...now i am tryin only webos-int and webos-pat
Nov 12 02:12:46 <rwhitby> AMRCC: I'm after Y when *all* feeds are enabled.
Nov 12 02:12:54 <rwhitby> as you disable feeds, Y will increase
Nov 12 02:13:10 <rwhitby> we're looking for the smallest Y, which will be app catalog apps
Nov 12 02:13:26 <AMRCC> ok.  do you want update feeds to manual or every launch?
Nov 12 02:13:38 <AMRCC> mine was manual
Nov 12 02:13:38 <rwhitby> as you disable feeds, any apps already installed add to Y
Nov 12 02:14:01 <rwhitby> At the moment, my working theory is that update is not relevant to this problem.
Nov 12 02:14:25 <rwhitby> AMRCC: have you ever had a successfull run through?
Nov 12 02:15:06 <AMRCC> nope always stuck since 9.6
Nov 12 02:15:30 <AMRCC> just for info - with webos feeds Y is 48
Nov 12 02:15:41 <rwhitby> AMRCC: hmm - another theory is that it might be a certain package that is causing the hang.
Nov 12 02:15:51 <the-gator> is there a place i can dowload 9.5 so i can at least remove some themes and patches?
Nov 12 02:16:05 <AMRCC> more background...I never have installed a theme
Nov 12 02:16:08 <rwhitby> the-gator: you can do that anyway in 0.9.6 - just access the app menu preferences
Nov 12 02:16:39 <rwhitby> the-gator: oh, sorry, you mean actually remove packages, not feeds.
Nov 12 02:16:53 <rwhitby> the-gator: you can use wosqi for that in the interim.
Nov 12 02:17:26 <the-gator> i mean remove preware completly and install the earlier version before the update
Nov 12 02:18:01 <AMRCC> all feeds on = a long wait at downloadin info + fixin Y = 24  this time stuck at 23
Nov 12 02:18:16 <AMRCC> my launcher is goin WTF?
Nov 12 02:18:33 <AMRCC> penguins eyes are gettin bloodshot too
Nov 12 02:19:53 <AMRCC> again will all on ... X is stuck at 1
Nov 12 02:20:05 <rwhitby> the-gator: you can do that with wosqi too.  ipkgs for all previous versions are in http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/
Nov 12 02:20:42 <rwhitby> AMRCC: so with the same feeds enabled, you got both X=1 and X=23 for Y=24 ?
Nov 12 02:21:10 <AMRCC> yep .. and sometimes (not as often) something in between
Nov 12 02:21:24 <AMRCC> 23 of 24 this time
Nov 12 02:21:52 <AMRCC> oh ya and I hard rebooted a few times too
Nov 12 02:22:46 <AMRCC> was checkin to see if it was goin back and forth between x=1 and x=23 and nope... 23 two times in a row
Nov 12 02:22:50 <rwhitby> AMRCC: ok, this is a big ask, but can you try immediately after a reboot for a few times and see if it's repeatable?  that would indicate whether X is related to memory usage or not
Nov 12 02:23:04 <AMRCC> yep
Nov 12 02:23:33 <rwhitby> I'll be offline for a number of hours now.
Nov 12 02:23:35 <AMRCC> rebootin....and waitin....
Nov 12 02:24:05 <AMRCC> ko ill start the poll and post results of what happens after reboots
Nov 12 02:24:28 <rwhitby> AMRCC: thanks for your help - it's very much appreciated.
Nov 12 02:25:02 <AMRCC> whatever you guys need.  my pre has an open door policy
Nov 12 02:26:00 <rwhitby> AMRCC: one last thing - can you do the capture in Terminal, and see whether the cancel and permission denied errors in the capture happen after the hang but before the disconnect, or whether they are caused by the disconnect?
Nov 12 02:26:34 <rwhitby> AMRCC: I don't need the output, just need to know whether there are any cancel and denied lines before the disconnect happens
Nov 12 02:26:44 <AMRCC> ko
Nov 12 02:27:06 <the-gator> rwhitby: thanks! that did the trick............i'll wait and let you smart guys correct the update problem!
Nov 12 02:27:34 <db___> hey...I'm running the dbus-util command via putty so I can cut and paste if need be
Nov 12 02:28:18 <db___>  PUB     return  1620    0.759   org.webosinternals.ipkgservice  com.palm.luna           «string=â{"errorCode":"ErrorGenericOperationNotPermitted", "errorText":"Permission Denied"}â
Nov 12 02:28:38 <AMRCC> just for kicks i just tried to install an app from the palm appcat and it gave the sorry not enug mem error
Nov 12 02:29:05 <grndslm> sooo... there's an adblock patch for the browser??
Nov 12 02:29:06 <AMRCC> i hav not did the mem patch or the move patch
Nov 12 02:29:10 <db___> that is the last message from dbus-utils
Nov 12 02:29:33 <grndslm> that's what the "tweak guide" said in the WOQI thread... there's an ad blocker, but i can't find it
Nov 12 02:29:43 <db___> the preware app is hung at fixing unknown packages 77 of 78
Nov 12 02:30:20 <grandebob> I get "package manager service is not running"
Nov 12 02:30:28 <rwhitby> db___: thanks - are there 'cancel' calls before that?
Nov 12 02:30:50 <AMRCC> rwhitby, if I run from term ... I don't have to have it connected...so is that valid?
Nov 12 02:30:56 <grndslm> grandebob: you installed it?  and restarted your pre?
Nov 12 02:31:00 <rwhitby> AMRCC: yep, it's valid
Nov 12 02:31:11 <db___> rwhitby - looking
Nov 12 02:31:32 <AMRCC> ko...typin very little linux commands....
Nov 12 02:32:07 <rwhitby> db___: are you able to look through the list of controlFile responses in the capture, and correlate them against apps you have installed, and see if any particular app is always causing the problem?
Nov 12 02:32:38 <rwhitby> AMRCC: I think db___ has just confirmed that the denied errors at least occur, which means I'm expecting he will confirm the cancels occur too
Nov 12 02:32:39 <grandebob> grndslm yah, i've rebooted, uninstalled, rebooted reinstalled, rebooted
Nov 12 02:33:02 <db___> well, would the numbers correspond to some installed apps?
Nov 12 02:33:02 <grndslm> then i dunno
Nov 12 02:33:28 <db___> because it is the same message over and over with a different number in front
Nov 12 02:33:33 <grndslm> soo... is there an adblock-ish patch for the browser or not?
Nov 12 02:33:37 <grndslm> 'cause i want it!!
Nov 12 02:33:38 <grandebob> locks up my usb on the PC too, webos quickinstall doesn't see my pre unless i reboot
Nov 12 02:33:46 <db___> I don't see and "cancels" unless they scrolled off
Nov 12 02:33:54 <rwhitby> db___: the number is a transaction number which correlates with an earlier request
Nov 12 02:34:16 <rwhitby> db___: increase putty scrollback to 99999 :-)
Nov 12 02:35:37 <db___> rwhitby looking for where I do that in my putty config
Nov 12 02:35:51 <jauderho> rwithby: does preware use compression when fetching the feeds?
Nov 12 02:35:52 <db___> see it
Nov 12 02:36:19 <AMRCC> rwhitby, how do i get terminal to show the output?
Nov 12 02:36:34 <rwhitby> jauderho: gzip
Nov 12 02:36:45 <jauderho> ah okay. just curious.
Nov 12 02:36:55 <AMRCC> alls I get is the matching bus line
Nov 12 02:36:57 <jauderho> did you see the second pastebin I posted?
Nov 12 02:37:20 <db___> 9981.577   PUB      return  1793    1.779   org.webosinternals.ipkgservice  com.palm.luna  «string=â{"size":587,"returnValue":true,"contents":"Package: ws.junk.wirc\nVersion: 0.0.3\nArchitecture: all\nMaintainer: oil <>\nDescription: wIRC\nSection: System Utilities\nPriority: optional\nDepends: us.ryanhope.wircd\nSource: { \"Source\":\"git://git.webos-internals.org/applications/wIRC.git\", \"Feed\":\"WebOS Internals\",
Nov 12 02:37:24 <rwhitby> AMRCC: typo in the last argument?
Nov 12 02:38:02 <AMRCC> checking...
Nov 12 02:38:03 <rwhitby> jauderho: yeah, but no time to deal with that now sorry.
Nov 12 02:38:24 <jauderho> rwhitby: no worries. just wanted to make sure you saw it
Nov 12 02:38:29 <rwhitby> jauderho: thx
Nov 12 02:38:32 <AMRCC> i'm willing to remove packages if you can find a suspect.  The only one i don't want to loose is drpodder
Nov 12 02:39:02 <jauderho> argh. preware is now stuck "fixing unknown packages"
Nov 12 02:39:08 <jauderho> wth
Nov 12 02:39:32 <AMRCC> u r correct..missed the n ... doover
Nov 12 02:40:42 <db___> rwhitby, the cancel messages start right after the stuff I just posted
Nov 12 02:41:16 <jauderho> this is really strange.  preware keeps getting stuck at different X of 43 packages...
Nov 12 02:41:19 <rwhitby> AMRCC: I really don't think it's a specific package at the moment.
Nov 12 02:41:36 <rwhitby> jauderho: welcome to my world :-)
Nov 12 02:41:59 <jauderho> now it goes through just fine after I quit and restart preware
Nov 12 02:42:02 <jauderho> ?!?
Nov 12 02:42:19 <rwhitby> oil has given me pointers on how to serialise the calls so there is only one outstanding.  I'll do that in 7 to 10 hours from now.
Nov 12 02:42:23 <db___> this is the first message AFTER the hang
Nov 12 02:42:24 <db___>  10030.593  PUB     call   1796             com.palm.luna   org.webosinternals.ipkgservice  /com/palm/luna/private/cancel   «string=â{"token":1793}â
Nov 12 02:42:41 <jauderho> okay. time for din-din.
Nov 12 02:42:48 <AMRCC> wholly crap....data pourin in term...
Nov 12 02:43:05 <AMRCC> fun to watch in mini card mode
Nov 12 02:43:12 <db___> don't think I could deal with term in the pre for this
Nov 12 02:43:26 <AMRCC> i have good eyes
Nov 12 02:43:43 <db___> you need a sixth sense
Nov 12 02:43:57 <AMRCC> i should have turned off the prethemer feed tho...it is crankin on that one...
Nov 12 02:44:06 <rwhitby> ok guys, I'm out.  thanks for all your help.  AMRCC please feel free to convey any of these theories on the forum thread and gather any other info you think might be relevant.
Nov 12 02:44:10 <db___> I have all the feeds turned off
Nov 12 02:44:24 <rwhitby> for this bug, turning off feeds will make it worse.
Nov 12 02:44:32 <rwhitby> you want Y to be as small as possible
Nov 12 02:44:40 <db___> rwhitby, any method for removing patched prior to this weekend?
Nov 12 02:44:43 <rwhitby> (that's my theory, anyway)
Nov 12 02:44:46 <rwhitby> db___: EPR
Nov 12 02:44:55 * rwhitby is gone
Nov 12 02:45:09 <AMRCC> rwhitby is a trooper :)
Nov 12 02:45:38 <dBsooner> awesome!
Nov 12 02:45:41 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ping
Nov 12 02:45:44 <dBsooner> dont' leave me yet
Nov 12 02:45:56 <db___> I guess I can load that with webOS quick install...
Nov 12 02:48:59 <AMRCC> oooo got somthing different when capturein from term...it hangs just after the first complete and b4 it gets to fixin phase.  screen caps goin in forum now...
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