**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 04:48:49 2009 Nov 17 04:49:16 UrbanHillpg: ok, ping me again when you're ready tomorrow. Nov 17 04:49:25 ok thank you Nov 17 04:49:41 rwhitby, pm? :D Nov 17 04:50:00 ok Nov 17 04:50:06 preware in git = supercharged Nov 17 04:50:33 dare i say its faster then it was before the slowness was noticed? Nov 17 04:50:37 oil: sweet Nov 17 04:51:46 rwhitby: id say its good for an 099 alpha Nov 17 04:51:49 justaguy: kinda busy I'll het back to you later Nov 17 04:52:03 no problem Nov 17 04:52:03 ill tag it Nov 17 04:52:17 and you can give it a quick once-over before pushing it for general testing Nov 17 04:52:18 ~smack kesne Nov 17 04:52:20 * infobot smacks kesne upside the head. Nov 17 04:52:32 (there could very well be problems in the new way of doing things that i haven't seen) Nov 17 04:52:35 ~kick kesne Nov 17 04:52:37 * infobot kicks kesne Nov 17 04:53:13 ~botsnack Nov 17 04:53:14 gkatsev: thanks Nov 17 04:56:07 anyone sucessfully get palm profile stuff back (the people who lost it Nov 17 04:57:30 sryan: i did a full erase on a pixi and once signed back into the profile the contacts were there Nov 17 04:58:09 justaguy: you have a pixi? how is it? Nov 17 04:58:20 doing another now, i think the enable usbnet jammed things up Nov 17 04:58:29 oil: nod on the alpha Nov 17 04:58:40 gkatsev: my gf has one, its pretty neat so far Nov 17 04:59:43 rwhitby: this pixi went haywire sometime last night when i was sleeping, i woke up and it was asking me to pick a language again Nov 17 04:59:50 rick_home: logs are fixed, I'll look to see what I can put there for the intervening days - I think my limechat logs cover the period Nov 17 04:59:51 everything we did was reset Nov 17 05:00:03 justaguy: cool. if i was in the market for a phone right now and not had a pre, i definitely wouldve gotten the pixi from wirefly.com for $25 Nov 17 05:00:21 pixi doesnt do wifi Nov 17 05:00:30 rwhitby: aren't you glad we waited a little bit for me to fix it right? :) Nov 17 05:00:31 yeah, unfortunately Nov 17 05:01:07 oil: I'll tell you in a couple of minutes :-) Nov 17 05:01:21 i don't remember how fast it was before the problems Nov 17 05:01:21 its lightweight yet feels pretty sturdy Nov 17 05:01:24 but it certainly feels faster Nov 17 05:07:51 rwhitby: oh, noticed a problem xD Nov 17 05:08:01 Hmm.. Jameson is good, but it's really jaded going down after a 12 year Nov 17 05:08:22 i love how applications can have 'feels'. it's pretty much wonderful and nonsensical at the same time Nov 17 05:08:24 dont push alpha yet Nov 17 05:11:31 wow, I expected to find a lot of chatter here... must all be exhausted from a busy day! Nov 17 05:14:26 ACap, ? Nov 17 05:14:50 ok rwhitby: NOW its good for testing xD Nov 17 05:15:13 oil, oh my god, what icon was showing? :P Nov 17 05:15:25 they were all jumbled Nov 17 05:15:32 cause the reverse-lookup wasn't correct Nov 17 05:15:36 Templarian: ping Nov 17 05:15:51 pong rwhitby Nov 17 05:16:14 rwhitby, so when can we have the binary patching argument? Nov 17 05:16:46 Templarian: seems we need that video recorder icon sooner rather than later ... Nov 17 05:17:00 lol Nov 17 05:17:11 (was I even told about this icon?) Nov 17 05:17:12 rwhitby, oh, why didn't you tell me someone was making it? i wasted like... 48 seconds trying to make one Nov 17 05:17:25 So now? Nov 17 05:17:26 Sure. Nov 17 05:17:53 I think I heard an evil laugh after that sentence from rwhitby Nov 17 05:18:05 oil, how exactly does a reverse lookup fix speed things? Nov 17 05:18:08 Eguy, also where have you been? Nov 17 05:18:30 Templarian: gnu tar, gstreamer library, gstreamer service, video recorder application (name to be announced later), backup utility service, backup utility application Nov 17 05:19:15 You know how lucky you guys are that L4D2 for some reason isn't unlocking. Nov 17 05:19:24 zsoc: before, when a package wanted to know which item it was in the massive package array for use in the mojo lists Nov 17 05:19:30 rwhitby, er.. and the video recorder app icon might want to reflect the idea it can record audio only too... Nov 17 05:19:33 it was looping the entire package array looking for itself Nov 17 05:19:42 now i pre-build a reverse-lookup Nov 17 05:19:46 oil, oh.. so.. it goes backwards? And finds itself faster? Nov 17 05:19:48 so it only loops it once to build the list Nov 17 05:19:53 somewhat Nov 17 05:19:53 oh. Nov 17 05:19:53 lol Nov 17 05:19:57 it doesn't loop at all Nov 17 05:19:59 each package Nov 17 05:20:00 yeah i don't get it, that's ok :D good work Nov 17 05:20:05 like Nov 17 05:20:15 the array is 0->package 1->package 2->package Nov 17 05:20:19 the reverse loopup is Nov 17 05:20:26 package->0, package->1 Nov 17 05:20:27 etc Nov 17 05:20:39 interesting Nov 17 05:20:47 i like what i'm hearing about icons :)) Nov 17 05:20:50 lookup* Nov 17 05:21:03 Grabber5, you heard nothing Nov 17 05:21:06 and i changed the way it generates the list for group display Nov 17 05:21:09 oil: startup-assistant.js changelog for 0.9.9 ? Nov 17 05:21:11 zsoc: I have been around Nov 17 05:21:12 to only loop through the package list once Nov 17 05:21:12 :D Nov 17 05:21:20 oh, i forgot startup assistant xD Nov 17 05:21:28 Eguy, you haven't been talking much Nov 17 05:21:34 nah Nov 17 05:21:36 i know nuhsink Nov 17 05:21:38 sick of webOS Nov 17 05:21:44 ah, got it ;) Nov 17 05:21:58 too early in development to be public release Nov 17 05:21:58 * oil makes changelog "MASSIVE SPEED BOOST!" Nov 17 05:22:13 xD Nov 17 05:23:08 where can i download the gnu patch and the diffstat? Nov 17 05:23:10 ok rwhitby, tagged Nov 17 05:23:34 lol it's like a military op in here Nov 17 05:23:54 ? Nov 17 05:24:04 justaguy: preware Nov 17 05:24:11 wait Nov 17 05:24:12 dont push it Nov 17 05:24:18 randomly found another bug :/ Nov 17 05:24:23 LOL Nov 17 05:24:26 justaguy: webosqi downloaded them when i opened the tweaks menuitem Nov 17 05:24:33 sounds like palm testing Nov 17 05:24:40 rwhitby: im on the pixi remember Nov 17 05:24:42 wait don't release the pre ye.... Nov 17 05:24:43 since I can't use preware :( Nov 17 05:24:44 oh i miss that eguy commentary Nov 17 05:24:55 justaguy: yep, latest package manager service installs the correct ones Nov 17 05:24:55 crap! Nov 17 05:25:13 justaguy: did you miss the tweet and precentral front-page article about Pixi Patching Nov 17 05:25:31 it doesnt work Nov 17 05:25:49 justaguy: did you revert arch.conf changes? Nov 17 05:25:53 i still get the error that it cannot find Nov 17 05:26:12 rwhitby: the pixi has gone thru a full erase Nov 17 05:26:15 justaguy: pastebin your arch.conf and webos-internals.conf please Nov 17 05:26:48 justaguy: "full erase" (palm partial erase) or full erase (doctor) ? Nov 17 05:26:49 AWWWWW Nov 17 05:26:50 qemux86 user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: org.webosinternals.preware: Not allowed to load local resource: file:///var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/icon.png, :0 Nov 17 05:26:57 alright enough offtopic nonsense from me tonight Nov 17 05:27:15 * Eguy tips hat Nov 17 05:27:32 rwhitby: i no longer have the org.webosinternals.conf Nov 17 05:27:44 just the arch, and it has reverted to arm6 Nov 17 05:28:01 arch armv6 21 Nov 17 05:28:22 can i just manually download the files? Nov 17 05:28:42 and add them manually via woqi? Nov 17 05:29:20 the webos qi is wanting to use arm7 Nov 17 05:29:34 what happens if i use a meta'd-doctor without signing into my profile... use it like normally for a couple weeks.. and *then* add my palm profile later? Nov 17 05:29:46 justaguy: have you installed preware and package manager service? Nov 17 05:29:57 grndslm: dunno Nov 17 05:30:06 no Nov 17 05:30:13 one secphone call Nov 17 05:30:17 wonder if i should try to see if the info will merge or what Nov 17 05:30:17 justaguy: do that first, then you can install them via preware Nov 17 05:31:31 i just did a full restore then i enabled dev mode, used my cmd to novacom -t open tty:// Nov 17 05:31:39 i got an error Nov 17 05:31:58 can i check the pakage manager service from the terminal? Nov 17 05:32:15 Grabber5: yes, but it will be extremely painful for you Nov 17 05:32:19 this is the error /bin/sh: .: line 39: can't open /etc/profile.d/org.webosinternals.optware Nov 17 05:32:46 justaguy: is that directly after a webos doctor? Nov 17 05:32:47 so i installed org.webosinternals.optware with qi Nov 17 05:32:49 I know I'm late to the party but...what was the GNU-Patch/diffstat fix? Nov 17 05:32:52 <- gets teh feeling he is going to have to dr to get preware to work Nov 17 05:33:04 exited and did the novacom cmd again and the error did not appear Nov 17 05:33:22 contraradical: it's already fixed in preware. Just install Preware and use it for patches. Nov 17 05:33:38 i get an a missing dependencies error Nov 17 05:33:41 Grabber5: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/214451-how-get-homebrew-apps-tweaks-patches-working-less-than-5-minutes.html#post2034016 Nov 17 05:33:53 contraradical, install the dependencies? Nov 17 05:34:05 contraradical: from which tool? Nov 17 05:34:32 I can't in preware or quik install Nov 17 05:34:58 contraradical: which version of preware and package manager service. preware is the only tool that can install patches on the pixi. Nov 17 05:35:43 wosqi won't work on the pixi? Nov 17 05:35:44 0.9.8 and... Nov 17 05:36:10 it wont work because wosqi wants to use arm7 Nov 17 05:36:20 the pixi says arm6 Nov 17 05:36:26 .9.19 Nov 17 05:36:50 @justaguy: that's what I think but IDK Nov 17 05:37:28 wosqi does not support patching the pixi. preware is the only tool that can do it. Nov 17 05:37:31 rwhitby: and i went thru this last night , but it wasnt working exactly right Nov 17 05:37:42 justaguy: 0.9.19 fixes it. Nov 17 05:37:50 I'll try w/preware again. Nov 17 05:38:32 what patch should I try? Nov 17 05:38:36 @grndslm: Those are the steps I used Saturday morning. Preware was working great until I restarted my phone, now it complains package manager service is not running. Tried removing, restarting, reinstalling, still won't work Nov 17 05:38:56 rwhitby: where is 9.19 located? Nov 17 05:39:13 not here http://get.preware.org/ Nov 17 05:39:16 justaguy: in the public release feed Nov 17 05:39:38 justaguy: the stand-alone installer there will update itself to the lastest Nov 17 05:39:45 ok Nov 17 05:39:54 justaguy: are you following the installation instructions on the Preware documentation page? Nov 17 05:40:09 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons hehe my 2 second one I'm making a 3d one right now. Nov 17 05:40:55 im just using the exe file from that link Nov 17 05:41:21 it ran and said i should see the icon now , but i didnt , so im rebooting the pixi Nov 17 05:41:33 Error message when installing patches: An error ocurred, return value: 1. Nov 17 05:41:39 Collected erros: Nov 17 05:41:46 Grabber5: that sucks... =( Nov 17 05:42:03 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the followingdependencies... Nov 17 05:42:08 contraradical: what does the URL for the optware feed say in your Manage Feeds page? Nov 17 05:42:32 ar,v6 Nov 17 05:42:38 I mean armv6 Nov 17 05:43:00 contraradical: can you get a command line on the Pixi? Nov 17 05:43:12 oil: your changelog entry is accurate. Nov 17 05:43:13 I haven't tried. Nov 17 05:43:20 ok pixi rebooted preware icon present Nov 17 05:43:24 With quick install or rooting? Nov 17 05:43:27 contraradical: do you have webos quick install connecting to the Pixi? Nov 17 05:43:28 loading pkg info Nov 17 05:43:31 yep Nov 17 05:43:39 contraradical: use the Linux command line there. Nov 17 05:43:48 ok one sec Nov 17 05:44:09 root@castle: Nov 17 05:44:22 updating preware from 95 Nov 17 05:44:40 java restart Nov 17 05:45:47 restarted preware Nov 17 05:45:55 downloading feed info Nov 17 05:46:11 evening everybody Nov 17 05:46:31 hi Nov 17 05:46:31 I don't the linux commands and I'm not familiar enough with the terminal to navigate to the directory that has the file that needs editing. Nov 17 05:46:39 If you could walk me through it... Nov 17 05:46:47 ok prewave 0.9.8 Nov 17 05:46:56 can we disable the lock screen all together? Nov 17 05:47:25 hmm, my pre didnt want to follow instructions and updated itself before i could run EPR Nov 17 05:48:42 justaguy: and package manager service 0.9.19 ? Nov 17 05:49:05 acydlord_alt: if you've removed your theme, you can run EPR now Nov 17 05:49:25 contraradical: cat /var/etc/ipkg/webos-internals.conf Nov 17 05:49:32 surprisingly enough I'm not running into any issues Nov 17 05:49:56 quick question re: RESIZING the partitions per diomark's post back in September: Does it work? Nov 17 05:49:59 Iroot@castle: cat /var/etc/ipkg/webos-internals.conf src/gz webosinternals http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all src/gz webosinternals-armv6 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv6 root@castle: Nov 17 05:50:16 contraradical: ipkg -o /var update Nov 17 05:50:17 rwhitby, preware is prompting me to update the patches I had installed Nov 17 05:50:26 rwhitby: ok... NOW its good for alpha xD Nov 17 05:50:39 acydlord_alt: are you following the webos upgrade instructions ? Nov 17 05:50:58 which? Nov 17 05:51:14 updated.. back at root@castle: Nov 17 05:51:25 rwhitby, it installed the 1.3.1 upgrade on me and already rebooted Nov 17 05:51:41 ok gnu patch and diffstat installed via preware Nov 17 05:52:03 acydlord_alt: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions Nov 17 05:52:14 can we disable the lock screen all together? Nov 17 05:52:16 now the tweaks menu item in wosqi opens normally Nov 17 05:52:20 acydlord_alt: yep, EPR still works after Nov 17 05:52:20 man the pc gets cranky if you forget to disconnect your pre before you restart the phone Nov 17 05:52:34 justaguy: just use preware to install the patches now Nov 17 05:53:09 which patches Nov 17 05:53:13 rwhitby, i did that with the 1.2.1 upgrade. it looks like everything is cleanly uninstalling via preware, I'll run EPR once I remove the patches and theme just to make sure the file versions on device are correct for 1.3.1 Nov 17 05:53:20 justaguy: any of the 104+ patches in Preware Nov 17 05:53:26 lol ok Nov 17 05:53:36 i thought maybe you had a specific in mind Nov 17 05:53:45 acydlord_alt: remove the theme first, then just run EPR to remove the patches quickly Nov 17 05:54:14 rwhitby, theme removed and rebooted, loading into preware now for epr Nov 17 05:54:39 hey guys, I am having issue with emails. I am getting error icon in inbox and emails are not being pushed on any of gmail or yahoo account. Any help is appreciated Nov 17 05:55:02 i have 1.3.1 and did full reset twice now Nov 17 05:55:17 delete the accounts and readd them Nov 17 05:55:26 already did Nov 17 05:55:47 its weird. Nov 17 05:55:54 Ehsan: no idea, sorry. Nov 17 05:56:08 all of the accounts are showing that error icon on inboxes Nov 17 05:56:16 You getting that "caution" sign with exclaimation Nov 17 05:56:34 yes Nov 17 05:57:16 How is your network signal? Nov 17 05:57:46 rwhitby: Thank you so much. I can't believe all I had to do was update the feeds. How embarrassing. Your software is fantastic. Makes WebOS so much more fun. Nov 17 05:59:45 very good. And at the moment its on wifi. But all day today I didnt get any email notifications and kept on checking email manually. I thought Palm server is being hit due to traffic but its still same. Each time I add account, it sync contacts, IM and email but email is not robust like in 1.2.1. I dont get any emails. I have to check manually and on each inbox I get caution sign with ! Nov 17 05:59:52 rwhitby: what about installing quilt on the pixi? Nov 17 06:00:14 jr_: there is a bypassPINLock patch Nov 17 06:00:50 contraradical: glad you got it working - please update the forum thread. Nov 17 06:01:23 justaguy: should work, but I personally haven't used quilt on the device for months, cause all the patches are now in Preware Nov 17 06:01:24 rwhitby: i will be back in about 20 minutes hope youre here then Nov 17 06:01:36 justaguy: I'm here, what's the status? Nov 17 06:02:27 rwhitby: im going to go close my bar and ill be right back Nov 17 06:02:35 slow night im told Nov 17 06:06:17 quick question re: RESIZING the partitions per diomark's post back in September: Does it work? I'm wanting some more apps, but out of space Nov 17 06:07:16 GAK Nov 17 06:07:25 twitter's api is down for me =( Nov 17 06:12:51 Preware 0.9.9 alpha testing: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.9_all.ipk Nov 17 06:13:51 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons hehe traditional camera icon or the other one. Nov 17 06:14:17 bush camera? Nov 17 06:14:18 lol Nov 17 06:14:58 i like it Nov 17 06:15:10 wonder if I could offer google voice invites as bounty for patches I want to see =) Nov 17 06:15:35 Would be nice to get one the same quality as Palms just don't have time atm. Nov 17 06:16:20 jauderho: they don't work outside the US Nov 17 06:16:35 okay, wave invites then =) Nov 17 06:16:37 lol Nov 17 06:18:02 rwhitby: got a bitly? Nov 17 06:18:27 AMRCC: http://bit.ly/3JRWnP Nov 17 06:20:20 rwhitby: btw I'm stumbling through python again =) Nov 17 06:23:23 The sad thing about AM, is she is primarily made of teenagers who think they're cool, and adolescents who can't grow up. Nov 17 06:23:46 or maybe there are honest to god just a tonne of unintelligent people. I can't figure it out. Nov 17 06:24:04 sorry, reading forum comments again Nov 17 06:24:21 lol Nov 17 06:25:27 I apologize in advance for the people who are going to find their way in here after my project comes to fruition. Nov 17 06:25:39 rwhitby: im back Nov 17 06:26:14 zsoc: over half the population is below average intelligence Nov 17 06:26:32 justaguy: so is everything working now Nov 17 06:27:58 rwhitby, average mean maybe, but not the median ;) Nov 17 06:28:00 rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons I cleaned up the basic 2d camera icon till I go through and make a real one. Nov 17 06:28:18 (did Palm fix the video stuff so it works?) Nov 17 06:28:30 (or did someone write a service?) Nov 17 06:28:36 Templarian: check out our git repos Nov 17 06:28:40 Templarian, hey now, it worked without palm's help.... but after their help it works better ;) Nov 17 06:29:18 Will that icon work till a real one is made? Nov 17 06:29:28 plus now i don't have to distribute ffmpeg (well, at least not until i get ice's webos c++ service expertise) Nov 17 06:30:09 Templarian, it's fine. besides i have quite a bit of testing to do.. i feel it may be more than i thought Nov 17 06:30:09 Templarian: The WebOS Development Collective (the most collaborate conjunction of disparate development groups ever seen for the webOS platform), led by zsoc, is on the case. Nov 17 06:30:49 s/collaborate/collaborative/ Nov 17 06:30:51 rwhitby meant: Templarian: The WebOS Development Collective (the most collaborative conjunction of disparate development groups ever seen for the webOS platform), led by zsoc, is on the case. Nov 17 06:30:55 disparate development groups... you don't have to cover for me rod. I wrote specs and bribed people to make them happen, with cookies. Nov 17 06:31:05 Very nice and I'm going to sleep, turns out I won't be playing L4D2 tonight. :( Nov 17 06:31:19 rwhitby: everything seems ok thus far Nov 17 06:31:23 rwhitby, I should be able to install the Preware alpha using the latest webos qi correct? Nov 17 06:31:30 mrjcarter: yes Nov 17 06:31:51 * zsoc would install the alpha, but it always gets officially released 1 second after he does Nov 17 06:32:54 c'mon zsoc, take one for the team so it'll be officially released! ;) Nov 17 06:34:04 ACap, oil's bug fixing / reverting / feature finding / reverting / mis-feature fixing / reverting / fix scares me D: Nov 17 06:34:37 * ACapp 's gotta go to bed. Nov 17 06:34:44 rwhitby, I'm not running into any errors, but preware isn't showing up in my launcher Nov 17 06:35:08 zsoc: 099 is great Nov 17 06:35:26 however, installing the stable version installs normally Nov 17 06:36:49 mrjcarter: dunno. sounds like wosqi is flakey Nov 17 06:37:24 oil: so is the monkey on your back or my back for custom feed add/delete? Nov 17 06:37:36 * zsoc wants to add testing feed to his preware Nov 17 06:37:48 uh Nov 17 06:38:03 i think the gui is like 90% there Nov 17 06:38:39 OH GOODNESS A CHANGELOG Nov 17 06:38:53 what a novel idea Nov 17 06:38:59 oil: can we make typing in the main screen go directly to the list of everything? Nov 17 06:39:23 oil, heck, just make universal search link to list of everything ;) Nov 17 06:40:30 099 is snappy. you may want to consider some how suggesting explicit themes are marked from the feed Nov 17 06:43:51 themes need categories before that is even thought about Nov 17 06:44:05 and themes don't need to be duplicated in both feeds Nov 17 06:44:24 two of each is ridiculously unnecessary Nov 17 06:44:33 true, but webos-internals could start jockey-ing for that support now... considering you don't have much control over it Nov 17 06:44:43 rwhitby: command line for updatin with the bit.ly add? i'm missin somethin... Nov 17 06:44:44 it's just generally distasteful Nov 17 06:44:52 oil: ah, but if it wasn't for 790 themes, you never would have needed to improve the speed of everything else which benefits everyone who disabled feeds completely ;-) Nov 17 06:45:04 we should remove both theme feeds Nov 17 06:45:08 * zsoc disables all his feeds immediately Nov 17 06:45:11 and tell them the first to have categories gets back in Nov 17 06:45:19 lol Nov 17 06:45:22 not a bad idea :P Nov 17 06:46:09 themes seem silly, and 95% of them are so poorly made i feel bad for artists and designers that look through them Nov 17 06:46:33 the 'original blue theme' seems to be the only well thought out one... and there's 50 copies of it with various edits Nov 17 06:47:11 and the l4d theme deeply edits the phone... a lot. it's cool, but i mean, seriously. Nov 17 06:47:47 most of them are a gis for the subject Nov 17 06:47:58 then make the images fit different places Nov 17 06:48:01 with no thought to design Nov 17 06:48:14 but really, categories should be #1 Nov 17 06:51:56 oil: perhaps 0.9.9 changes the show available types back to Yes, and includes Show Other Types but excludes Show Themes ? ;-) Nov 17 06:53:11 thats how i roll it on my pre Nov 17 06:54:30 you got my vote Nov 17 06:54:58 do the line numbers in the patch files have to be exact? in lookin at exmpls it dosn't seem like they have to be exact... Nov 17 06:56:10 patch is smart - it can do fuzzy matches if the context is correct Nov 17 06:56:58 twas what i thought...workin on disable end call sound patch Nov 17 06:57:05 so I guess I should package wircd 0.0.4 for the Pixi too ... Nov 17 06:57:28 rwhitby: how should i add a user since the automated way isnt Nov 17 07:03:21 rwhitby: got the command line for updatin with the bit.ly addy again? i'm missin somethin... Nov 17 07:03:32 AMRCC: ipkg -o /var install ..... Nov 17 07:03:48 justaguy: what's the context of your question? Nov 17 07:03:54 ahhh... was missin the /var Nov 17 07:04:06 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Nov 17 07:04:28 installing users, i have not how should i go about doing that? Nov 17 07:04:57 justaguy: what's your end goal? Nov 17 07:05:11 to try and ssh into the pixi Nov 17 07:05:50 justaguy: do you know how to do ssh keys? Nov 17 07:06:06 real rusty Nov 17 07:07:43 am also getting double # Nov 17 07:07:55 like this Nov 17 07:07:56 # Nov 17 07:07:56 # Nov 17 07:08:32 holy crap...pw = shazam! Nov 17 07:10:24 justaguy: if you know how to set up ssh keys, you can just use the openssh package in preware (which I'm just building now for you) Nov 17 07:10:55 youre too kind Nov 17 07:11:06 thanks for your help you have been great Nov 17 07:11:48 rwhitby: anything specific you want me to test in 99? Nov 17 07:12:19 rwhitby: something like this? http://www.ece.uci.edu/~chou/ssh-key.html Nov 17 07:12:47 justaguy: yep Nov 17 07:14:03 ruh row... just tried installin an app (precell) and pw closed itself....app did install tho... Nov 17 07:15:08 pw did that to me when i installed the gnu patch, i just reopened pw and the patch was installed Nov 17 07:15:55 rwhitby: should i move forward and get the new openssh pkg? Nov 17 07:17:47 * oil just installed precell and preware didn't crash Nov 17 07:18:07 though im still on .17 of the service Nov 17 07:18:10 * oil updates Nov 17 07:18:13 justaguy: feeds are updated Nov 17 07:18:33 removing precell and reinstalling again to try and dup...brb Nov 17 07:18:35 justaguy: install openssh Nov 17 07:18:58 well thats good, anoutsider is ready to go Nov 17 07:19:08 hes first, he makes the category spec Nov 17 07:19:22 where is it located in preware i cant find it with search Nov 17 07:19:47 you tried just typing ssh in list of everything? Nov 17 07:19:54 yes Nov 17 07:20:21 justaguy: did you update feeds? Nov 17 07:20:42 i think? Nov 17 07:20:54 doesnt it do that when i open pw? Nov 17 07:20:59 did you wait on a Downloading spinner? Nov 17 07:21:04 sounds like lack of webos-internals feed Nov 17 07:21:07 depends on your prefs Nov 17 07:21:28 closed reopening , says downloading feeds Nov 17 07:21:55 You should find them in the Optware section Nov 17 07:22:44 ok i have it now Nov 17 07:23:04 shows 2 , openssh and openssh sftp server Nov 17 07:23:49 installing Nov 17 07:25:05 so I "lost" my phone tonight... left it for a few and it was gone. Nov 17 07:25:13 ouch Nov 17 07:25:30 theres an app for that! Nov 17 07:25:31 the bad thing is that I had the toggle data installed and had it off to save battery Nov 17 07:25:39 I hope they turned data on Nov 17 07:25:44 so it could erase Nov 17 07:25:48 hah... "there's an app for that!" Nov 17 07:25:50 does it erase media/internal? Nov 17 07:25:57 he's got jokes Nov 17 07:26:09 well there is Nov 17 07:26:20 i know... that's why it's funny Nov 17 07:26:32 idwk who has my phone so tracking apps wouldn't be much of a help Nov 17 07:26:39 pw didn't close itself again...must of been a first time glitch....installed MyQ too all is good.... Nov 17 07:26:52 hmagoo: gps tracking would be of no help? Nov 17 07:26:54 come on Nov 17 07:27:08 you want to know who picked up your phone and didn't return it? Nov 17 07:27:35 of course Nov 17 07:27:41 and then send them to jail for the night Nov 17 07:27:52 you going to search the general area?? ;) Nov 17 07:28:07 uhh... i'm gonna go where the gps tracker tells me to go Nov 17 07:28:44 I got it in early June so a new manufactured pre might do me some good anyways Nov 17 07:28:56 what is the deductible? Nov 17 07:29:05 $100 Nov 17 07:29:09 so sorry for your wife Nov 17 07:29:10 * rwhitby begins researching truecrypt kernel drivers for armv7 ... Nov 17 07:29:37 I wish I had installed some bricking mechanism other than the palm profile Nov 17 07:29:45 like a dead switch, heh Nov 17 07:30:12 you better hope theyre not calling jamaican sex lines Nov 17 07:31:07 you mean they hit redial? Nov 17 07:31:43 justaguy: openssh working? Nov 17 07:32:02 justaguy: oh, heh, by default it's wifi only Nov 17 07:32:26 justaguy: which is not much use on a Pixi .... Nov 17 07:33:51 The erase device command is sent via SMS and must be received by an activated phone within 24 hours. Erase does not deactivate your phone from your carrier's network. Contact your carrier to deactivate this phone from your carrier's network. Nov 17 07:33:58 so if anyone here uses firefox, the jsonview extension is useful for viewing json output... Nov 17 07:33:59 oh, so maybe data didn't need to be on? Nov 17 07:34:02 justaguy: edit /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh to enable evdo access Nov 17 07:35:37 rwhitby: shouldnt i be able to ssh to the sprint ip? Nov 17 07:35:43 port 222? Nov 17 07:35:53 im not getting a key request Nov 17 07:35:56 justaguy: nope, not with the preware version of openssh Nov 17 07:36:14 justaguy: did you read the description for openssh? Nov 17 07:36:58 lol just now Nov 17 07:37:05 says 22 tho Nov 17 07:37:11 yep Nov 17 07:37:16 it doesn't lie Nov 17 07:38:10 ok then hang a few so i can get the terminal installed Nov 17 07:38:33 justaguy: I gotta leave now - /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh tells you everything you need to know Nov 17 07:39:14 ok thanks ill see what i can do and catch you tomorrow Nov 17 07:39:39 I'll be back later Nov 17 07:41:56 * rwhitby bbl Nov 17 07:48:52 rwhitby: unless a tester finds a bug, 009 has my blessing for release Nov 17 07:48:55 099* Nov 17 07:50:14 hmm Nov 17 07:50:47 oil: are you able to help me in rwhitbys absence? Nov 17 07:51:10 to apoint atleast? Nov 17 07:51:12 * oil is about to pass out Nov 17 07:51:31 and i've never done ssh to my pre Nov 17 07:51:32 well how about i ask and see if it keeps you awake Nov 17 07:51:54 on the pre we have eth0 and ppp0 Nov 17 07:52:02 yeah dude, i dont know anything about that stuff Nov 17 07:52:02 but on the pixi there is no ppp or eth0 Nov 17 07:52:04 i just write the mojo Nov 17 07:52:05 ok Nov 17 07:52:32 later Nov 17 07:52:45 pixi has a rmnet0 Nov 17 07:52:54 thanks anyway Nov 17 07:52:57 eth0 would be wifi, the so process of elimination? Nov 17 07:52:57 sleep well Nov 17 07:53:44 hmagoo: but ppp0 is replaced with rmnet0 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 07:58:56 2009 Nov 17 07:58:57 nope **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 08:25:28 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 08:25:48 2009 Nov 17 09:16:18 :D i see a new icon for REC ... sounds good for video recording :D Nov 17 09:16:32 in preware? Nov 17 09:16:47 its on the wiki page Nov 17 09:16:50 hmm Nov 17 09:16:54 uploaded the 17th :> Nov 17 09:17:12 i know 1.3.1 packed a lot of video-much-easier junk Nov 17 09:17:16 so, could be neat soon :) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 09:31:49 2009 Nov 17 09:36:52 if i install a patch through webosqi will i be able to see it once i go into preware? Nov 17 09:39:14 yes Nov 17 09:39:17 for the most part Nov 17 09:39:36 a couple "tweaks" can't be removed thru preware Nov 17 09:42:38 has palm updated webosdoctor to 1.3.1? Nov 17 09:55:18 hi all Nov 17 10:06:20 rwhitby: you back yet? Nov 17 10:25:37 justaguy: yep Nov 17 10:27:13 cool Nov 17 10:27:27 ok i made those changes and its not working Nov 17 10:27:57 it was a pain in the ass to get it done because i had to do a bunch of installing in ubuntu so i could use vi in terminal Nov 17 10:28:00 WTF?? i just got like 30 windows to open up and request where to download "BOUNCEATTACK.TXT" to Nov 17 10:29:50 hah.. somebody in ##security got the same attack, apparently Nov 17 10:29:52 crazy Nov 17 10:30:36 rwhitby: the pres using optware-dropbear and it does not have the eth0 in the line Nov 17 10:35:41 rwhitby: i removed the -i eth0 from both lines and its not working Nov 17 10:36:23 what do you have installed? Nov 17 10:37:14 the pixi has the mobi. the pre has the dropbear Nov 17 10:38:34 rwhitby: putty just times out when i try to ssh to the rmnet ip Nov 17 10:39:36 justaguy: dunno. perhaps the port is blocked by your cellular provider. Nov 17 10:40:05 rwhitby: since you left last, i got novaterm working in ubuntu so i could use the terminal there to edit the file with vi Nov 17 10:40:26 rwhitby: so should i try a dif port? Nov 17 10:40:40 222 works on the pre Nov 17 10:40:47 i tried that and got the same thing Nov 17 10:40:50 justaguy: dunno. you're the first person in the world to try this, so we have no idea whether it will work or not. Nov 17 10:41:02 you will have to have good knowledge of dropbear or openssh to debug it. Nov 17 10:41:18 rwhitby: i know im the first , kind of exciting! Nov 17 10:41:49 so the best thing to do first is to read the manual page for the tool you are using, and fully understand it and any concepts contained in it. Nov 17 10:42:01 rwhitby: does it make a difference that the pixi uses rmnet and the pre uses a ppp? Nov 17 10:42:17 dunno - I have no idea what rmnet is Nov 17 10:43:05 * rwhitby bbiab Nov 17 10:43:41 justaguy: read up on some background material while I'm gone, and we can do some debugging in about an hour if you're still around. Nov 17 10:48:57 does anyone know if it's safe to just remove the email files from /var/luna/data/emails/bucket* Nov 17 11:18:29 Preware 0.9.9 is released, with massive speed improvements and a fix for the theme hanging problem. Nov 17 11:23:22 oohoo! Nov 17 11:24:39 MASSIVE LISTING SPEED BOOST! Nov 17 11:25:32 it does seem faster. not sure about massive tho Nov 17 11:26:46 every speed boost on webOS is massive, apparently :) Nov 17 11:27:36 I'm just super pumped to have saved a MASSIVE 48MB on /var on the pre Nov 17 11:27:58 need someone to cobble together a service/pkg together to turn this into an app. Nov 17 11:29:10 heh... it really does say MASSIVE LISTING SPEED BOOST! Nov 17 11:30:35 yea, that's quick Nov 17 11:30:43 themes load in about .82 seconds Nov 17 11:30:54 ok, a whole second Nov 17 11:33:19 I dont care about themes. have that all turned off Nov 17 11:34:13 I wish the app catalog had a way to filter for only free apps Nov 17 11:34:19 oh wait Nov 17 11:34:26 nevermind Nov 17 11:35:05 yea, whenever i start using this phone for real, i won't be using themes Nov 17 11:42:02 any specific reason that /media/internal/prethemer.txt needs to exist?? Nov 17 11:42:11 preware's spitting out an error about that file not being there Nov 17 11:47:54 * rwhitby bbt Nov 17 11:48:00 good night al Nov 17 11:48:01 l Nov 17 11:56:16 I like to try cpu scaling, anyone try it on 1.3.1?? Nov 17 12:05:19 hmm im getting issues with my pre Nov 17 12:05:43 i happened twice this week Nov 17 12:05:55 it's not charging and i;m losing evdo Nov 17 12:05:59 so i have to shut it down Nov 17 12:06:07 remove battery for a minute and pop it back in' Nov 17 12:25:35 anyone had some kind of issues like that? Nov 17 12:44:46 en0x: the onley isshue i am having is that i have slept though the alarm twice this week Nov 17 12:47:01 it always go on for me Nov 17 12:47:46 but i was hoping that somebody could tell me what to do. should i go to sprint and tell them about my problem? but the point is I don't want to get new pre because I will lose all my texts Nov 17 12:47:48 which is a bummer Nov 17 12:51:52 en0x: mine goes on but dosent wake me up enough Nov 17 12:54:11 change the tone :D Nov 17 12:55:19 yeh im going to try Nov 17 12:56:52 i use furry Nov 17 12:56:58 and it wakes me up right away Nov 17 12:57:14 i think its to short Nov 17 12:59:05 i dont have a deep sleep Nov 17 12:59:08 so its ok for me Nov 17 13:00:18 Can someone help? I ran EPR yesterday morning because of the problem with not being able to open emails. The swap reply2all with move patch did not completely remove and gives me an error if I try to reapply it. Is there a way to manually remove the patch and restore the original file(s)? Nov 17 13:05:08 Anyone? Nov 17 13:07:50 guess not Nov 17 13:16:16 * mumbles whipes pre for the the 5th time Nov 17 13:28:08 anyone knows where I can get lunaservice.h? Nov 17 13:32:16 nvm Nov 17 13:39:56 hmm i need two headers and no idea where to get them from... Nov 17 13:40:02 json.h and glib.h Nov 17 14:08:00 hello does anyone see this text ? Nov 17 14:09:17 hi mobgod Nov 17 14:09:59 thanks cats Nov 17 14:10:11 btw hi :) Nov 17 14:13:20 so nt4cats I'm ok you can see text corrent ? Nov 17 14:13:37 yes I can see you Nov 17 14:14:02 ok thanks for the input Nov 17 14:28:47 bbl Nov 17 15:10:27 hm.. is webos 1.3.1 safe to get? doesn't break homebrew or anything? Nov 17 15:26:21 when I try to go into Themes on preware, it just hangs... ? Nov 17 15:30:31 Azalyn: Patches and homebrew applications are fine Nov 17 15:30:39 themes are a sketchy area but there are ways to get them working again Nov 17 15:30:46 hm Nov 17 15:30:48 ok Nov 17 15:30:51 just make sure you remove all patches before installing Nov 17 15:30:54 i only have apps installed Nov 17 15:30:56 and then repatch after Nov 17 15:31:50 coolmatty: um, I upgraded to 1.3.1 w/o uninstalling + reinstalling patches, am I okay? Nov 17 15:32:17 depends Nov 17 15:32:42 oftentimes upgrading with patches installed overwrites the patches, but to preware and the system, they look to be installed, so it errors out if you try to reinstall them Nov 17 15:32:48 which is why they recommend you remove them first Nov 17 15:33:01 it's not always going to happen, it's a precautionary measure Nov 17 15:38:56 synackfin: no Nov 17 15:38:59 synackfin: you're not ok Nov 17 15:39:06 synackfin: RUN EPR Nov 17 15:40:36 epr ? Nov 17 15:43:14 nt4cats: ipkg -o /var list_installed showed just the latest version of Package Manager Service and Preware installed Nov 17 15:43:38 lol Nov 17 15:43:44 yeah I meant that to go to Azalyn Nov 17 15:43:45 Azalyn: Emergency Patch Removal app Nov 17 15:44:23 s/Removal/Recovery/ Nov 17 15:44:41 thanks :p Nov 17 15:45:49 So preware still relentlessly tells me Package Manager Service is not running Nov 17 15:49:11 dBsooner-work: what is EPR? Nov 17 15:49:37 synackfin: Emergency Patch Recovery Nov 17 15:49:39 dBsooner: oh, I see CoolMatty's message Nov 17 15:49:52 Anyone know what this is about? got it when installing through ipkg with terminal : (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.messaging.postinst) Nov 17 15:50:03 I can almost guarantee you that webOS updates will almost always break most patches Nov 17 15:50:14 especially one that is 140MB's Nov 17 15:50:41 did palm fix the app install limit in 1.3.1 or is that future/never planned? Nov 17 15:50:42 whoDat_: Yeah.. it's not running the postinst Nov 17 15:50:47 you shouldn't try installing it on your own Nov 17 15:50:56 you should run my preware-bootstrap.sh Nov 17 15:51:07 mikewx: It's not fixed. Nov 17 15:51:11 kk tnx Nov 17 15:51:17 mikewx: I can't speak for if it will be fixed in the future, as no one knows. Nov 17 15:51:20 i'm antsy to get it and try it out Nov 17 15:51:28 I am trying to install an .ipk off the forums Nov 17 15:51:34 not preware Nov 17 15:51:54 what the heck is org.webosinternals.messaging? Nov 17 15:52:02 can you link me to the thread? Nov 17 15:52:09 smiley: good morning Nov 17 15:52:51 greg roll's messaging app Nov 17 15:52:52 Ah, good morning Nov 17 15:53:18 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq-53.html#post2041608 Nov 17 15:54:52 Still here, saw I had two windows of this open...closed the first Nov 17 15:55:01 whoDat_: He should make an installer Nov 17 15:55:04 whoDat_: but here: Nov 17 15:55:41 whoDat_: mount -o remount,rw / Nov 17 15:55:43 whoDat_: sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.messaging.postinst Nov 17 15:55:52 whoDat_: mount -r remount,ro / Nov 17 15:55:58 s/-r/-o/ Nov 17 15:55:59 dBsooner-work meant: whoDat_: mount -o remount,ro / Nov 17 15:56:34 dBsooner-work: doh.. it just needed to be rw. okay thanks my bad. Nov 17 15:56:46 whoDat_: no Nov 17 15:56:59 whoDat_: when you run ipkg -o /var it NEVER runs postinst scripts Nov 17 15:57:02 or prerm scripts Nov 17 15:57:08 -o = offline root mode Nov 17 15:58:04 dBsooner-work: ahh! maybe that step you just told me to do should be added to the tutorial here? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Installing_An_Ipk (under 3b) To install pre apps using putty Nov 17 16:01:41 btw, when is palm fixing the disk space issue with /var ? Nov 17 16:02:02 nt4cats: I tried all the items in your email and still the same issue...is there a way to find out if Package manager is running, and if it can be started? Nov 17 16:02:32 Smiley_: when you ran the postinst script did you get any output? Nov 17 16:05:27 I'm getting a 404 error on roam control prefs when installing it through Preware Nov 17 16:05:58 fearphage: ping Nov 17 16:06:34 nevermind, I needed to update my feeds Nov 17 16:07:42 http://forums.precentral.net/2042216-post3226.html xD Nov 17 16:08:34 nt4cats: ya, it did, let me re run it and tell you what I get Nov 17 16:09:27 synackfin: i'd guess palm will wait until webOS 2.0 to fixe the /var limitations Nov 17 16:10:11 they could easily move email/attachments over to media drive but the app limit will take a more significant architectural change. Nov 17 16:10:11 Smiley_: ... and after you do that, please type "tail -f /var/log/messages" {enter} in your novaterm window and then run preware. Let's see what log messages are coming out when you run preware Nov 17 16:10:23 * oil is still surprised people found enough apps to keep around that take up that much space Nov 17 16:10:53 heh :) Nov 17 16:11:16 yeah there aren't many 'worthwhile' apps yet Nov 17 16:11:24 but surely palm saw it coming? if anyone makes a large game or something... Nov 17 16:11:56 my apps are only taking up like 10mb Nov 17 16:12:02 what are you doing with the rest of that space? Nov 17 16:12:03 xD Nov 17 16:12:33 oil: eskimo porn Nov 17 16:12:38 ohh Nov 17 16:12:40 that explains it Nov 17 16:12:52 nt4cats:before or after I remount to ro? Nov 17 16:12:54 eskimo pr0n is the bomb Nov 17 16:12:58 lower the res or something Nov 17 16:13:07 nt4cats: after is fine Nov 17 16:13:22 Marajin: the most worthwhile app is Yule Log Nov 17 16:13:32 be on the lookout for Yule Log Pro Nov 17 16:13:45 lol Nov 17 16:14:04 who will d a screenshot for me? Nov 17 16:14:14 I have shown Yule Log to more people in the last 5 days when they say something like "Oooh, cool, a Pre. I've never seen one. What does it do?" Nov 17 16:14:24 nt4cats: haha, cool Nov 17 16:14:32 messages->app menu->preferences and accounts Nov 17 16:14:43 i wonder about the system alert Nov 17 16:14:52 sugardave: ... and if I have pandora running at the same time the Pre is quite warm. Nov 17 16:15:00 no doubt :) Nov 17 16:15:01 oh nvm Nov 17 16:15:54 sugardave: what's that do? log fuel consumption? Nov 17 16:18:08 lol Nov 17 16:18:41 * oil goes to work Nov 17 16:19:13 Marajin: haha, no, it's an ad-delivery vehicle designed as a holiday "gee, that's sappy" app Nov 17 16:19:26 feh Nov 17 16:19:53 g'day everyone Nov 17 16:20:06 sugardave: Speaking in general terms (orders of magnitude) -- ad delivery results in pennies/day, hundreds-of-dollars/second, or where inbetween? Nov 17 16:20:20 sugardave: I'm not asking for your account balances here ... Nov 17 16:22:22 nt4cats: most ad revenue is around $5-$100 per day Nov 17 16:22:26 does anyone know if it's possible to force webos to accept security certificates even if it believes they're invalid? Nov 17 16:22:37 synackfin: thanks Nov 17 16:23:18 * nt4cats is going to run yule log for a bit, send some pennies over sugardave's way Nov 17 16:23:23 nt4cats: I'm still trying to figure out how all of it works, myself...I'm using quattro wireless atm and getting about 85-90% fill rate, averaging about $0.28 per 1000 Nov 17 16:23:28 nt4cats: hehe Nov 17 16:23:30 oil: did you get my message yesterday? Nov 17 16:23:42 Okay, I did that, but since my winxp novaterm won't copy, I've pasted screen captures in an email... Nov 17 16:23:44 About the chances of Preware not updating feeds like it says its supposed to? Nov 17 16:23:47 my grand total is like $5 :D Nov 17 16:24:10 Not attacking you on it.. and I totally believe Preware does exactly what it says it does and its mostly AM's messing with things.. Nov 17 16:24:16 especially security certificates in the email app? Nov 17 16:24:28 but I have heard a lot of reports for people that have it set to "once a day" it not updating right. Nov 17 16:24:31 I'm sure I'll generate at least $0.07 for you today. Get yourself an extra ketchup packet at lunch. Nov 17 16:24:42 nt4cats: awww yeah Nov 17 16:24:59 nt4cats: I sent the logs in an email your way... Nov 17 16:25:04 heh Nov 17 16:25:09 my preware cookie got screwd Nov 17 16:25:44 btw, anybody planning on doing ad-supported stuff, I'm working on a management system that will be like: register your ad info, cut and paste some code, add a div to your scene, and be done Nov 17 16:25:47 en0x: not even the doctor can recover from that Nov 17 16:26:08 whoDat_: That page you linked me to on the Wiki is very old Nov 17 16:26:16 whoDat_: It definitely needs updated Nov 17 16:26:18 i will remove preware and install it again Nov 17 16:26:29 Smiley_: opening your mail message ... Nov 17 16:27:11 en0x: use my bootstrap Nov 17 16:27:45 PuffTheMagic: sup? Nov 17 16:27:54 fearphage: what was that link you sent me the other day Nov 17 16:28:03 dBsooner-work, what for? i just need to reinstall preware gui Nov 17 16:28:29 nt4cats: sorry its screen captures..I know that must be un-ideal for troubleshooting. Nov 17 16:28:35 en0x: So? Nov 17 16:28:46 en0x: It does that.. and I need it tested. Nov 17 16:29:04 so why should I use ur bootstrap when i can remove it and reinstall from terminal? :P Nov 17 16:29:04 Smiley_: okay, and when you downloaded the fixed preware-bootstrap.sh and re-ran it, what happened? Nov 17 16:29:17 that's what it does Nov 17 16:29:26 wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO Nov 17 16:29:29 sh dDEMO Nov 17 16:29:37 it does it for you Nov 17 16:29:53 in fact I am running it now to update to newest Preware. :D Nov 17 16:30:06 lol Nov 17 16:31:26 nt4cats: same as before...let me rerun it...maybe it didn't download and just installed the file that was already onboard. Nov 17 16:31:26 ipkgservice updated to 0.9.19 correctly Nov 17 16:31:55 Smiley: the one you already had was broken Nov 17 16:32:17 download the new version with (no quotes) "wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO" Nov 17 16:32:28 han gon for that Nov 17 16:32:32 nt4cats: Ya, I'm pretty certain I redownloaded it but let me make certain Nov 17 16:32:33 im looking at something Nov 17 16:32:47 SMiley: the author (dbsooner-work) just said "wait!!!!" Nov 17 16:33:23 Smiley: I tought him how to program yesterday and enabled him to fix his script ... ;) Nov 17 16:34:07 Ah...well, the dDemo short link returns HTTP/1.1 404 Not Fount...I shall wait as instructed Nov 17 16:35:12 0.07 cents CPM for untargeted mobile ads? seriously, you're banking. Nov 17 16:36:01 well, I would be if I was getting more views :D Nov 17 16:38:37 * nt4cats is running yule log and clicking on the ads Nov 17 16:39:27 nt4cats: I should still be in a holding pattern right? Nov 17 16:39:47 Smiley_: yep, let's wait until dbsooner is done looking Nov 17 16:39:57 okay Nov 17 16:47:05 ok Nov 17 16:47:12 bootstrap is fixed Nov 17 16:47:26 There was an error with it not detecting the current version of Preware Nov 17 16:47:41 because ipkgservice's postinst kills EVDO/1x data Nov 17 16:47:51 Smiley_: download away Nov 17 16:48:00 Smiley_: (no quotes) "wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO" Nov 17 16:48:11 Smiley_: delete the old one first Nov 17 16:48:20 wget won't overwrite Nov 17 16:48:21 ;) Nov 17 16:48:40 I moved the postinst run to after the preware install. Nov 17 16:48:43 dBsooner: can he do a grep on what he downloads to triple-check he has the new version? Can you offer something unique in the new file? Nov 17 16:49:17 nt4cats: grep Version dDEMO Nov 17 16:49:38 # version 0.6 Nov 17 16:49:49 ahh it's lowercase Nov 17 16:49:53 grep version dDEMO Nov 17 16:50:13 Smiley_: that was for you -- make sure you have version 0.6 before you run it. Nov 17 16:54:20 grep -i ftw Nov 17 16:55:18 lol Nov 17 16:55:20 ignore case Nov 17 16:55:29 that can be VERY dangerous if you add -R to it Nov 17 17:01:10 SMS Tone Per Contact was submitted last night Nov 17 17:01:10 let me try again, keep getting not found Nov 17 17:01:10 :D Nov 17 17:01:21 it's much smaller in here Nov 17 17:01:23 ;( Nov 17 17:01:37 smaler? Nov 17 17:01:42 so uh dev kit + programming skills = kaossilator? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LxWnHZESeg Nov 17 17:02:02 nt4cats: okay, now its going Nov 17 17:03:04 Twee = cool Nov 17 17:03:14 i prefer tweed Nov 17 17:03:47 en0x: Have you tried TweeFree? Nov 17 17:03:54 en0x: It's interface is awesome. Nov 17 17:04:53 i have twee too 0.95 Nov 17 17:04:56 from homebrew Nov 17 17:05:27 i am on 1.0.0 Nov 17 17:05:29 and it's awesome Nov 17 17:05:32 i dont like the interface and he even said that the interface wasnt thought before and he was just adding crap... new version should have new interface Nov 17 17:05:33 I loved Tweed till this Nov 17 17:06:30 but i'm not saying its bad Nov 17 17:06:37 everyone has their own preferences Nov 17 17:06:41 folks, I added some patches then uninstalled them, and now my phone just says "Searching..." and never seems to connect.. helP! Nov 17 17:06:54 searching what? Nov 17 17:07:12 i doubt a patch made your phone not connect to the network Nov 17 17:07:20 what patches? Nov 17 17:07:23 have you rebooted? Nov 17 17:07:24 not sure how I delete the old one.... Nov 17 17:07:41 dBsooner-work: I restarted luna. I installed and unstinalled the roam-only patch Nov 17 17:08:38 when I ran sh preware-bootstrap.sh it said okay to installing PMS...then it said: awk: /tmp/org.webosinternals.Packages: No such file or directory...then asks to install preware 0.9.8 Nov 17 17:08:41 I uninstalled them and ran EPR Nov 17 17:08:42 all the roam only patch does it adds the option Nov 17 17:08:56 did you change the option with it? Nov 17 17:09:06 dBsooner-work: yeah, and I changed it back before uninstalling Nov 17 17:09:13 nt4cats: shall I delete the old stuff with the files script you emailed me yesterday? Nov 17 17:09:19 Smiley_: did you grep version dDEMO? Nov 17 17:11:19 yes: it sayspkg_ver_current=$(awk 'BEGIN { RS = ""}; /^Package: '$PKG'\n/ [print}' /tmp/org.webosinternals.Pa) Nov 17 17:11:21 en0x: it says "Searching..." where "Sprint" would appear Nov 17 17:11:30 on line one Nov 17 17:11:39 huh? Nov 17 17:11:47 hmm. forgot to remove my theme before upgrading to 1.3.1 .. now when I tried to remove it, preware errored. now after i rebooted, it froze on the palm boot screen. is my only option to run doctor? Nov 17 17:12:03 Smiley_: rm dDEMO && wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO Nov 17 17:12:24 whoDat_: Maybe? Nov 17 17:12:34 whoDat_: If it won't boot, then I would say yes. Nov 17 17:12:44 unless you can get to it via SSH Nov 17 17:12:59 dBsooner-work: wouldn't know it's IP heh Nov 17 17:13:01 synackfin: I understood what you meant by Searching. Nov 17 17:13:12 whoDat_: wifi? Nov 17 17:13:20 dBsooner-work: I got it working now. I had to do a full poweroff and poweron. Apparently restarting luna isn't enough Nov 17 17:13:36 synackfin: that's why I asked if you had rebooted Nov 17 17:13:59 dBsooner-work: I thought restarting luna = reboot Nov 17 17:14:16 no Nov 17 17:14:19 restart luna = reboot luna Nov 17 17:14:40 it would be similar to restarting X-Windows Nov 17 17:14:47 Okay, let me try that and then I have to run off for a short bit for more work related meetings. Nov 17 17:14:47 with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace Nov 17 17:15:06 it doesn't reboot the computer. Nov 17 17:15:27 nt4cats: Still says PMS is not running. sorry guys. I'll reboot the phone and try signing back in when I get back. I appreciate it. Nov 17 17:15:31 Thanks for the help so far Nov 17 17:15:52 Smiley_: the command I gave you was just to be able to download the newest bootstrap Nov 17 17:15:55 then you have to run it Nov 17 17:16:19 so is that a yes?? Nov 17 17:17:17 dBsooner-work: what was that thing called that uses webos doctor but doesnt completely reset your phone...? Nov 17 17:17:24 is pressing the power-key, selecting Power, and selecting Restart the same as a full reboot, or does it just just restart luna? Nov 17 17:17:28 Ah shoot, everything started crashing...I'll try it again when I reboot everything. I'll see who's on when I get back from meetings. Thanks Nov 17 17:18:27 synackfin: I think that is a full restart Nov 17 17:18:37 synackfin: because It shuts the phone completly off Nov 17 17:19:06 whoDat_: what do you mean? Nov 17 17:19:27 whoDat_: I can't remember. Nov 17 17:19:40 oil and company: nice work with 9.9 works great, super fast, and themes back on, nice! Nov 17 17:19:44 dBsooner-work: I remember some kind of app that uses the files from web-os doctor to let you restore certain parts without having to reset the whole phone. Nov 17 17:19:57 maybe it's been abandoned Nov 17 17:22:25 WebOS Repair Utility Nov 17 17:22:27 by Jason Nov 17 17:22:33 but I doubt he has a 1.3.1 available Nov 17 17:23:24 hi guys Nov 17 17:23:40 anyone here think you can help a shipmate out Nov 17 17:23:48 hello_: hello Nov 17 17:24:56 i messed up by installing 1.3.1 without uninstalling the patches. now they wont work. Nov 17 17:25:13 hello_: Run EPR Nov 17 17:25:17 any suggestions to get this phone back on track? Nov 17 17:25:20 whats that? Nov 17 17:25:24 open Preware and search all pcakges for "Emergency" Nov 17 17:26:18 ok doing it now Nov 17 17:29:05 dBsooner-work: oh okay Nov 17 17:29:30 whoDat_: since it relies on webos doctor and there isn't one for 1.3.1 yet Nov 17 17:29:44 is there a search option in preware, i cant find it. Nov 17 17:30:25 v0.9.8 Nov 17 17:30:33 am i running the right one? Nov 17 17:31:55 open all packages Nov 17 17:32:22 "available packages" Nov 17 17:32:28 then Patches Nov 17 17:32:33 then all Nov 17 17:32:37 then just start typing Nov 17 17:32:52 "Emerg" and it should be there Nov 17 17:33:10 doh Nov 17 17:33:14 its not in patches.. Nov 17 17:33:38 go to "list of everything" Nov 17 17:33:58 then just start typing "Emergeny" Nov 17 17:33:59 you'll see it Nov 17 17:34:34 k k Nov 17 17:34:43 dbsooner-work: I put together a web page all by myself -- you can see it here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions ... the instructions you're grasping for are step 4 Nov 17 17:35:01 * nt4cats runs and hides before dbsooner squishes him like a bug Nov 17 17:35:10 hello_: you can just do 'All...' and then flick through until you get to the "E"s Nov 17 17:35:12 err step 3 Nov 17 17:35:18 * nt4cats goes back to hiding Nov 17 17:35:39 nt4cats: lol.. I made that page Nov 17 17:35:39 ;) Nov 17 17:35:46 dbsooner: I know ;) Nov 17 17:36:01 You fixed it Nov 17 17:36:08 dbsooner: but I did fix a few things ... Nov 17 17:36:11 I was JUSt searching for that page Nov 17 17:36:19 to make sure step 4 was right Nov 17 17:36:33 dbsooner: 99.4% your work ... 0.6% mine Nov 17 17:37:42 a few more edits and I'll be up to 1% Nov 17 17:37:48 lol Nov 17 17:37:53 whatever.. it's a community thing. ;) Nov 17 17:38:34 only "move emergency call" and "limited emergency button" is showing. Nov 17 17:38:51 i dont see the epr Nov 17 17:39:22 hello_: Nov 17 17:39:25 I just said it Nov 17 17:39:26 hello_: did you go all the way back to the main PreWare page/scene and select "list of everything" from the bottom? Nov 17 17:39:28 go back to main menu Nov 17 17:39:31 and to "list of everything" Nov 17 17:40:36 i am in list of everything Nov 17 17:40:44 and i dont see it. Nov 17 17:40:50 haha am i spelling it right Nov 17 17:40:55 emergency Nov 17 17:42:22 its there Nov 17 17:42:35 ill bb Nov 17 17:43:48 ok ok i'm downloading it off web quick install. Nov 17 17:47:31 i'm wondering how rough it would be to code that... Nov 17 17:48:12 error: an error occured while attempting to run /tmp/ipkgscript.sh Nov 17 17:48:19 Note: no patches found Nov 17 17:49:00 that sounds like EPR to me Nov 17 17:49:46 ok this is odd, i reinstalled and now my phone crashes when i end a call Nov 17 17:49:48 so i'm good? Nov 17 17:49:55 whats next? Nov 17 17:54:38 hello_: update preware/pkgmanager, refresh the feeds , install some patches Nov 17 17:54:41 I think Nov 17 17:55:45 There does not appear to be an irc service built for pixie's arm Nov 17 17:56:06 say that in #wirc Nov 17 17:56:07 ;) Nov 17 17:56:16 PuffTheMagic: only pays attention in there Nov 17 17:56:19 I'm in enough irc channels Nov 17 17:56:30 no not true Nov 17 17:56:38 PuffTheMagic: yes, true. :D Nov 17 17:56:40 chrisa: next release there will be Nov 17 17:56:58 Just checking to see if I missed something. I had to massage preware a bit Nov 17 17:57:17 why was there a regression in processors from Pre to Pixi? Nov 17 17:57:19 chrisa: rwhitby its trying to get me on the pixi bandwagon Nov 17 17:57:41 chrisa: i know the pixi is armv6 but do you know what cortex it is Nov 17 17:57:47 if that makes any sense Nov 17 17:58:21 modem is arm9, apps is arm11 if that's what you mean Nov 17 17:58:56 dBsooner-work: I presume cost and size. I don't play a part in those decisions Nov 17 17:59:19 chrisa: i was just trying to set the tuned cflags for the final builds, for the Pre i use (-march=armv7-a -mtune=cortex-a8) Nov 17 18:00:46 chrisa: It's still a TI chipset and same line as the Pre's processor, no? Nov 17 18:00:58 er, not even remotely related Nov 17 18:01:09 oh wow Nov 17 18:01:14 Besides them both being arm Nov 17 18:01:40 pixi uses a qualcomm chipset Nov 17 18:01:46 what kind of latency am i looking at for this kaossilator palm app? Nov 17 18:02:42 ShadeS: pretty horrendous Nov 17 18:03:31 palm dev forum has a thread somewhere about a guy trying to make a drum machine app...works great in Safari, but fails miserably in webOS Nov 17 18:03:35 woo hoo thanks it works Nov 17 18:03:39 chrisa: can you paste me the output of 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' from your pixi please? Nov 17 18:03:53 i guess i'll stick around for anyone that needs some palm pre help lol Nov 17 18:04:44 You want v6 Nov 17 18:08:04 the iFale has lots of music apps Nov 17 18:08:07 why doesn't the palm pre Nov 17 18:08:13 doctoring my phone. going to take me all afternoon to get it back the way it was :( Nov 17 18:08:21 i'm sure if i could talk directly to the screen on a hardware level then the latencyh wouldn't be bad at all Nov 17 18:08:30 dBsooner-work: this is all your fault. Nov 17 18:08:35 ShadeS: combination of a 2 year head start and lack of the music api being fully exposed is my guess Nov 17 18:08:54 these apps are recwent! Nov 17 18:09:00 -w Nov 17 18:09:09 what code do i have to lay down to make this happen Nov 17 18:09:12 in a way that won't suck Nov 17 18:09:37 whoDat_: ? Nov 17 18:09:48 Everything people successfully do in js is foreign to me Nov 17 18:09:53 My languages need proper scope Nov 17 18:09:58 dBsooner-work: well, I needed *someone* to blame. ;) Nov 17 18:10:37 whoDat_: chrisa then.. hes the palm engineer Nov 17 18:11:06 lol Nov 17 18:11:19 I blame solar flares Nov 17 18:11:24 : Nov 17 18:11:24 ) Nov 17 18:11:56 sunspots Nov 17 18:13:04 in soviet russia sun spots you! Nov 17 18:13:10 finally getting two full days charge on the pre w/wifi always on Nov 17 18:13:16 yay for 1.3.1 Nov 17 18:13:46 i never got 24 hours before 1.3.1 Nov 17 18:15:50 pff Nov 17 18:15:58 i can almost see the battery meter drop Nov 17 18:16:05 pandora has been running 24/7 damn near Nov 17 18:16:10 except for when bill collectors manage to ring through Nov 17 18:16:12 damn them Nov 17 18:16:40 ShadeS: put the silent toggle on! nobody can ring you then Nov 17 18:18:00 * nt4cats streams radio on the train ride in (45 minutes) ... my battery goes from 100% to 65% in that time Nov 17 18:18:42 is nt4cats going in and out of tunnels with fluctuating service signal Nov 17 18:19:06 ShadeS: radio hurts the battery a lot, but I think gps is even more of a drain Nov 17 18:19:07 the music still stops playing Nov 17 18:19:15 egaudet_work: not tunnels, but a decent amount of the time is in 'low coverage' areas Nov 17 18:19:25 you thikn or you know? how much power does the gps sensor pull? Nov 17 18:19:44 yeah, i noticed seriosu drain when using navigator. Nov 17 18:19:55 * AtomicPlayboy comes back from the dead. Nov 17 18:19:59 a fedex truck and winnebago collided and closed down a highway Nov 17 18:20:04 i used it to find my way around Nov 17 18:20:10 went from 100% to 50% in about 1.5 hrs. Nov 17 18:20:21 You'd have to check the gas gauge, but I recall the gps chip being able to spike up to 200 mA or something silly Nov 17 18:20:26 it should have stayed at 100% Nov 17 18:20:35 because if your'e in a car it should be charing off your 12v battery ;p Nov 17 18:20:56 i don't charge it unless it's to 20% or below. Nov 17 18:20:58 The official car charger is something like $20 unless you buy the weird one sprint made Nov 17 18:21:05 I have whatever one is in our store Nov 17 18:21:05 doing that has been steadily increasing the battery life, i think. Nov 17 18:21:17 i have the official one, i bought it for the cable, really. Nov 17 18:21:25 i use a dc->ac converter Nov 17 18:21:28 and I have my touchstone in the car Nov 17 18:21:31 since i travel w/ my standard wall plug *everywhere* Nov 17 18:21:39 i also have a power inverter with usb out, just in case. Nov 17 18:21:51 i'm such a powe rleech Nov 17 18:21:59 i barnicale myself to any hull i can find Nov 17 18:22:06 same Nov 17 18:22:23 walk into a building it's a quick sacan for security cameras, fire exists, & power outlets Nov 17 18:22:59 It was very hard to find a power outlet in nanjing Nov 17 18:23:34 why? Nov 17 18:23:46 The airport just seemed to not have many Nov 17 18:23:58 beijing too Nov 17 18:24:09 you aren't looking hard enough Nov 17 18:24:10 in Beijing the power outlets find you? Nov 17 18:24:12 you have to keep in mind Nov 17 18:24:24 wherever it looks like it needs to be vacuumed frequently Nov 17 18:24:29 means there's a power outlet near by Nov 17 18:24:55 you need to think like a criminal Nov 17 18:25:01 and think of how you're going to steal the power you need to live Nov 17 18:25:33 I don't think they vacuum much in the beijing airport Nov 17 18:25:40 It's sort of enormous, and tile Nov 17 18:25:55 I love tiled airports Nov 17 18:26:00 carpeted airports suck so much Nov 17 18:26:31 tiled airports make me think i'm in some sort of skate park where planes touch down Nov 17 18:26:37 hmm can i change the email address my palm profile uses? Nov 17 18:28:08 whoDat_:check here https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface Nov 17 18:28:15 (do that from your PC browser) Nov 17 18:28:44 Yep, you can change your Name, e-mail, password, and security question there Nov 17 18:30:56 * nt4cats is the googliest googler of them all Nov 17 18:35:10 cool thanks nt4cats.. that page is pretty burried. Nov 17 18:35:53 whoDat_: they don't call me the "googliest Googler of them all" for nothing! (oh, okay, I just call myself that ...) Nov 17 18:36:48 * whoDat_ wishes there was a cloud backup for homebrew apps. Nov 17 18:37:05 is there a service call that can shutdown a stage? Nov 17 18:37:12 s/service/mojo/ Nov 17 18:37:12 PuffTheMagic meant: is there a mojo call that can shutdown a stage? Nov 17 18:37:53 whoDat_: Make one. :) Nov 17 18:38:57 PuffTheMagic service call? Nov 17 18:39:27 im trying to fix this stupid 1.3.1 bug where headless app dont close Nov 17 18:39:39 the eclipse plugin makes some call Nov 17 18:39:44 that closes stages Nov 17 18:39:49 before it installs Nov 17 18:39:55 well I think we need to find out WHY it isn't closing Nov 17 18:39:57 i figured we could signal the serivce to do this Nov 17 18:40:13 egaudet_work: sure... im not saying we shuldnt Nov 17 18:40:21 egaudet_work: but in the mean time, i want the app to close Nov 17 18:40:49 I think the palm-install/palm-launch from the SDK handles the closing the app to launch it Nov 17 18:41:06 yes i know, it makes a call to luna though Nov 17 18:42:11 ** Message: Sending stage deactivation to app: com.palm.launcher Nov 17 18:42:28 is there any way to force the email app to accept security certificates it thinks are invalid? Nov 17 18:44:57 looks like i did some damage control to my phone and some of the tweaks work, but some dont. Nov 17 18:47:02 capture photo with volume keys, phone app to call log, to name a few. Nov 17 18:48:07 PuffTheMagic: you'll have to be more specific Nov 17 18:48:22 fearphage: i thought you sent me a link about js optimizations Nov 17 18:48:27 preston: yes Nov 17 18:48:31 oh, too late Nov 17 18:49:31 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/running {} Nov 17 18:49:31 ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "running": [ { "id": "com.palm.launcher", "processid": "1006" }, { "id": "com.palm.systemui", "processid": "1007" }, { "id": "com.palm.app.camera", "processid": "1000" }, { "id": "com.palm.app.calendar", "processid": "1001" }, { "id": "com.palm.app.messaging", "processid": "1002" }, { "id": "com.palm.app.contacts", "processid": "1003" }, { "id": "com.palm.app.phone", "processid": "1004" } Nov 17 18:49:31 , { "id": "com.palm.app.email", "processid": "1005" }, { "id": "com.palm.systemui", "processid": "1008" }, { "id": "com.palm.app.phone", "processid": "1009" }, { "id": "com.palm.systemui", "processid": "1010" }, { "id": "ws.junk.wirc", "processid": "1017" }, { "id": "ws.junk.wirc", "processid": "1018" } ] } Nov 17 18:49:36 flood! Nov 17 18:49:38 PuffTheMagic: sounds right but i don't know what the link was Nov 17 18:49:42 sorry Nov 17 18:49:46 oops wrong window Nov 17 18:50:27 i'm returning my pre tomorrow. not much used to me without the calendar Nov 17 18:50:46 no calendar? Nov 17 18:50:56 "without the calendar"? Nov 17 18:51:05 exchange syncing Nov 17 18:51:09 iw Nov 17 18:51:10 * nt4cats looks at his Pre's calendar Nov 17 18:51:26 can't sync calendar with exchange? Nov 17 18:51:31 i can't sync it with eGroupware either Nov 17 18:51:32 i hate that Nov 17 18:51:38 where's my SyncML?! Nov 17 18:52:44 can't sync mail or calendars Nov 17 18:55:19 fearphage:the Pre supports ActiveSync, so why can't you get mail (at least)? Nov 17 18:55:51 i love updating preware Nov 17 18:56:03 application updat....... Nov 17 18:56:06 ^_^, reopen! Nov 17 18:57:23 nt4cats: it doesn;t support it over ssl or something Nov 17 18:57:54 it would require me to get my IT department to make changes to the exchange server Nov 17 18:58:23 okay, so the problem is your IT department does not support the EAS access methods required for the Pre Nov 17 18:58:48 nt4cats: no, the pre doesn't support EAS over SSL Nov 17 18:59:32 nt4cats: there's a support article for IT that tells them how to turn off security Nov 17 18:59:36 i can't find it now Nov 17 19:00:27 fearphage: there are ZERO phones that support all of Exchange's access methods (there are). Each phone has a set of access methods they support -- and each exchange server is configured to allow some subset of the access methods provided Nov 17 19:02:57 fearphage: the docs I see on Palm's support site specifically cover connecting the Pre to Exchange via SSL (e.g. the page I'm looking at now covers how to transfer IT-generated SSL certificates over to the Pre) Nov 17 19:03:24 fearphage: http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/40069_en.html Nov 17 19:03:41 fearphage: so the situation is not exactly "no EAS support over SSL" Nov 17 19:04:43 wow, the list speed has improved immensely, good job guys Nov 17 19:05:10 fearphage: I am certain that (like ALL phones) the Pre supports a subset of the available methods to connect (and authenticate) to Exchange. It is very possible that the Pre's supported option(s) are not currently configured by your IT department (and your IT department may have good reason for that decision). Nov 17 19:06:51 fearphage: ... but it is not fair/accurate to cast this as "the Pre can't sync e-mail with Exchange" Nov 17 19:08:19 dBsooner-work: The preware update fixed the issue with the non-removable/updatable patch issue i had :) Nov 17 19:08:20 btw, is the pre actually push mail able or is it just polling regularily on exchange? Nov 17 19:08:45 cause I notice my pre doesn't really respond to push mails anything like as fast as my ipod, outlook clients or my old WM phones Nov 17 19:08:56 it can sometimes take a minute or two to react Nov 17 19:08:58 Flashpass: Woohoo Nov 17 19:09:05 Flashpass: so it WASN'T my patches Nov 17 19:09:11 I freuqently get emails faster on the pre then my outlook client. Nov 17 19:09:19 diomark: odd Nov 17 19:09:36 (using 4smartphone.com hosted exchange) Nov 17 19:09:39 diomark: I can understand getting it faster on my laptop really because it's wifi -> switch -> exchange server on the local network at work Nov 17 19:09:58 but they do much faster at home too Nov 17 19:10:06 I often find my work Crackberry gets emails before Lotus Notes does, which is equally baffling Nov 17 19:10:12 where both have to bounce through the internet to get to the exchange server over http Nov 17 19:10:18 lotus notes is *slow* Nov 17 19:10:26 people still use lotus? Nov 17 19:10:30 I thought lotus stopped existing Nov 17 19:10:36 'fraid so :-) Nov 17 19:10:41 IBM own it now Nov 17 19:10:46 oh dear god Nov 17 19:10:48 My Pre feels "push-y" ... but both work and personal e-mail are "google apps for your domain" setups Nov 17 19:10:51 I'm *forwarding* email from lotus notes to a hosted exchange account (I have two hosted exch accounts. one for work, one for home) - the forwarded email beats the original email by minutes sometimes. Nov 17 19:11:08 I've seen websphere I don't want to know what they've done to lotus notes Nov 17 19:11:22 the latest versions are actually pretty decent. Nov 17 19:11:24 (resource hogs tho) Nov 17 19:11:29 If I forward someting using my laptop from one account to the other it is on my pre pretty instantly Nov 17 19:11:29 (disclaimer, I work for ibm) Nov 17 19:11:38 hah :P Nov 17 19:11:41 anyway Nov 17 19:11:42 i'm using pop3 to get to notes and often times my pre beeps before my desktop client Nov 17 19:11:53 exchange traditionally worked extremely fast for me over edge/3G on my WM phones Nov 17 19:11:54 pop3? that's polling Nov 17 19:12:01 yeah, scary that Nov 17 19:12:06 that's how slow notes is :) Nov 17 19:12:12 the notifications across my ipod/outlook/phone would be within a split second of each other Nov 17 19:12:19 the pre sometimes turns up a minute or two later Nov 17 19:13:33 Oh yeha.. Nov 17 19:13:35 actually, I just did a test; and outlook was faster then the pre. Nov 17 19:13:41 well MY PRE gets email BEFORE my exchange server gets them Nov 17 19:13:43 (I did a test back in 1.0x days and my pre was faster) Nov 17 19:13:46 Hell, before they are even sent! Nov 17 19:13:49 So THere! Nov 17 19:13:53 lol Nov 17 19:14:31 I have the new exchange server option of "psychicMTA" built in Nov 17 19:14:32 It PREdicts the messages.. badumpssh Nov 17 19:15:05 dBsooner-work: well it fixed 1/2 issues I was having haha Nov 17 19:15:32 dBsooner-work: I'm still havign the issue where I can't install the "unthrottle download manager" patch Nov 17 19:15:54 that only changews one line Nov 17 19:15:55 dbsooner - I had that installed alongside Gmail Autopilot ( http://mail.google.com/mail/help/autopilot/index.html ) Nov 17 19:16:00 i mean adds stuff to the beginning Nov 17 19:16:00 but it was holding too many conversations with itself. Nov 17 19:16:01 I got that on 1.3.1 with latest Preware just fine Nov 17 19:16:20 FlashPass - does the /etc/palm/download.conf file exist? Nov 17 19:16:30 If it does, the unthrottle downloads patch won't work. Nov 17 19:16:31 ahh.. diomark is here! Nov 17 19:16:34 View that file,what's in it? Nov 17 19:16:42 diomark, mine patches.. Nov 17 19:16:46 and I havfe that file Nov 17 19:16:56 and download.conf has a ton of stuff Nov 17 19:16:58 Well i believe thats exactly why its not working looking at the error log Nov 17 19:17:03 really? ok Nov 17 19:17:17 (I thought the patch was designed to fail if the file existed or had items in it) Nov 17 19:17:31 so...how can fix this issue? I'd like to use that patch haha Nov 17 19:17:32 what else is that file used for? Nov 17 19:17:46 nothing Nov 17 19:17:53 (so if it's totally replacing it it's fine) Nov 17 19:18:01 at least nothing that we've found.. the file doesn't exist on a stock pre Nov 17 19:18:31 I like how telling people not to vote on a wip applciation and they still vote. :P Nov 17 19:18:31 Erorr: "The next patch would create the file etc/palm/download.conf, which already exists! Assume -R?" Nov 17 19:18:37 Flashpass: mount -o remount,rw / Nov 17 19:18:43 Flashpass: rm /etc/palm/download.conf Nov 17 19:18:52 Flashpass: mount -o remount,ro / Nov 17 19:18:55 Flashpass: install patch Nov 17 19:19:01 does it have to do with the download count in catalog patch? Nov 17 19:19:08 k4p74 - no Nov 17 19:19:18 dBsooner-work: okay, so that will require rooting and such, yes? Nov 17 19:19:22 yeah, I just searched for it in all stockOS releases I have Nov 17 19:19:29 Flashpass: umm.. yes? Nov 17 19:19:40 just terminal access Nov 17 19:19:45 install terminal Nov 17 19:20:06 btw who's working on the recording app? Nov 17 19:20:35 dBsooner-work: okay, i'm totally new to this so bear with me Nov 17 19:20:38 * nt4cats giggles -- he said rooting Nov 17 19:20:45 shhh nt4cats Nov 17 19:20:46 he's new Nov 17 19:20:55 you can bash him after I fix him Nov 17 19:20:56 ;) Nov 17 19:21:19 btw: who is working on terminal? Nov 17 19:21:31 with the new hostname, it makes the prompt WAY_TO_LONG Nov 17 19:21:34 perhaps no one Nov 17 19:21:38 yay wirc update ^_^ Nov 17 19:21:42 terminal has one annoying bug too Nov 17 19:21:49 if you pull up the help keys, it restarts terminal after. Nov 17 19:21:52 diomark: more than 1 Nov 17 19:21:54 (makes it hard to use it to reference keys) Nov 17 19:21:58 root@palm-webos-device#/var/home/root: Nov 17 19:22:11 diomark: yaeh, I hate taht too Nov 17 19:22:25 yeah can we rename the hostname? Nov 17 19:22:46 hostname is an option, but I don't know if it would have ill effects or not Nov 17 19:23:24 just change the prompt. Nov 17 19:23:29 it's simple - we're using bash, right? Nov 17 19:24:01 how do you access a pre via command line on a pc (I'm on a mac)? my buddy needs help… He needs to run df -h/var to see if he has extra crap in there preventing him from installing apps Nov 17 19:24:05 should be able to put in PS1=$ Nov 17 19:24:09 (which would just give a $ prompt) Nov 17 19:24:20 (in the .bashrc or .bash_profile) Nov 17 19:24:54 just tested and it works Nov 17 19:25:09 (type 'PS1=$') - testing now to see if it can be automated. Nov 17 19:25:16 natenbr9: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Nov 17 19:26:01 natenrb9: I can almost guarauntee he does Nov 17 19:26:09 natenbr9: he'll need to run steps 1,2,3 and 5 Nov 17 19:26:12 OK - easy fix for the long command line - Nov 17 19:26:22 edit /etc/profile.d/optware Nov 17 19:26:23 natenrb9: you can't have more than 50MB installed or less than 100MB free Nov 17 19:26:24 nt4cats: "Limitations apply. Required Exchange ActiveSync and Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 SP2 or later not included. Within wireless coverage area only. Security measures implemented through IT administrator." http://www.palm.com/us/business/pre-index.html Nov 17 19:26:27 add the line PS1=$ at the end of that file. Nov 17 19:26:39 next time you login your prompt will just be a $ instead of the hostname/directory Nov 17 19:26:59 why doesn't the terminal App do that anyway? Nov 17 19:27:07 * dBsooner-work hints.. Nov 17 19:27:12 nt4cats: the iphone, s60, android and blackberry (all coworkers) all connect and sync to the same server just fine Nov 17 19:27:25 so how does he clear it out? or what is the best way to take care of this problem? Nov 17 19:27:37 uninstall some stuff? Nov 17 19:27:51 I think it would be awesome to work that into next terminal release Nov 17 19:27:51 * diomark wonders what Irc client people use. Trying IceChat and it's ok. could be better. Nov 17 19:27:53 that says it doesn't include an Exchange server when you buy the phone Nov 17 19:28:05 using wIRC :D Nov 17 19:28:11 fearphage: .. and that your IT department has to configure your Exchange server to allow connections from the Pre Nov 17 19:28:12 wIrc costs money tho right? Nov 17 19:28:19 Nope Nov 17 19:28:24 diomark: OS? Nov 17 19:28:32 terminal has a bunch of weirdnesses but i don't feel justified in complaining about any of them since i've contributed practically nothing to it. heh Nov 17 19:28:49 nt4cats: so the pre doesn't do what every other mobile os does. don't try to say the footing is equal. Nov 17 19:29:04 nt4cats: none of the other phones required changes from IT Nov 17 19:29:12 fearphage: it is probably tuned to require security settings that are not on by default on older exchange servers Nov 17 19:29:16 dbsooner-work: he's uninstalled everything, but still can't install... Nov 17 19:29:26 nt4cats: we have exchange 2k7 Nov 17 19:29:28 fearphage: As an Exchange Admin myself, I have had *ZERO* issues with my Pre (or any of my partner's Pre's). Nov 17 19:29:36 fearphage: So it is NOT the phone Nov 17 19:29:46 dbsooner: he's claiming that the pre doesn't support Exchange ... Nov 17 19:29:49 (anymore) - exchange was definately broken for me in 1.2.0 :) Nov 17 19:29:49 natenrb9: what's his error? Nov 17 19:30:00 (but working in every other version) Nov 17 19:30:07 diomark: I didn't even have issues then. Nov 17 19:30:17 The Pre IS Supported.. i see "EAS" as one of my options in mail. Nov 17 19:30:18 dBsooner-work: i think your assumption is incorrect. there are screenshots of the exchagne security you have to disable to get it to work with the pre Nov 17 19:30:23 Odd taht its there if its not supported. Nov 17 19:30:38 What security is that? Nov 17 19:30:40 dBsooner-work: it's on the pre site although i can't find it now Nov 17 19:30:50 when i come across it again, you'll be sure to know Nov 17 19:30:56 Thank you. Nov 17 19:30:57 dbsooner: I assume you disabled security on your Exchange server to get the Pre to work, right? Nov 17 19:31:03 nt4cats: negativve. Nov 17 19:31:11 nt4cats: I have a pretty strong security setup. Nov 17 19:31:20 nt4cats: and I run Exchange 2k7 Sp1 Nov 17 19:31:26 on my main cluster Nov 17 19:31:30 nt4cats: I'm back again (lots of meetings)...I realized something, I would wget the dDEMO but then sh preware-bootstrap.sh.... I rm dDEMO and rm preware-bootstrap.sh, then used quick install to remove preware and PMS, rebooted the phone, then used wget to get dDEMO and then sh dDEMO to install. The install ran with no errors for pms or preware. I rebooted and....no dice, it says PMS is still not running. Nov 17 19:31:30 dbsooner: I don't know you well (really at all), but you definitely strike me as a "running wide open, loose and free" sort of guy Nov 17 19:31:34 I have a E14 on another cluster Nov 17 19:31:43 dBsooner-work: okay, that fixed it :) Nov 17 19:31:48 dbsooner - pc (windows 7) Nov 17 19:32:01 LOL.. you really think thats' me nt4cats? Nov 17 19:32:15 * dBsooner-work rethinks his networking strategies. Nov 17 19:32:23 dbsooner: you may discover that 90% of what I say is sarcastic Nov 17 19:32:26 diomark: I use mIRC with NoNameScript. Nov 17 19:32:54 I bought a lifetime license of mIRC like years and years and years ago Nov 17 19:33:14 smiley: any chance you have a copy-and-paste or screenshot of the output from running preware-bootstrap.sh? Nov 17 19:33:16 u know what; you're reminding me I think I did too like 10 years ago Nov 17 19:33:32 dbsooner-work: he has the not enough memory to install more apps error Nov 17 19:33:40 dBsooner-work: 2 things I noticed - seems as though EPR did not remove that download.conf file which is what caused that issue, and terminal shouldn't write all the way to the edges of the screen lol Nov 17 19:33:54 * dBsooner-work loves the abbreviation "PMS" for IpkgS ervice Nov 17 19:33:55 lol Nov 17 19:34:08 flashpass - if the file is already there from the LAST time you ran the patch in 1.2.1, then you're already getting the desired effect. Nov 17 19:34:13 the file format hasn't chagned between 1.2.1 and 1.3.1 Nov 17 19:34:25 nt4cats: rebooting the phone killed novaterm...I can run preware-bootstrap.sh and capture what it gives Nov 17 19:34:39 oh...that is interesting - okay than preware is saying it's not installed when it is :) Nov 17 19:35:06 flashpass - right:) Nov 17 19:35:12 Smiley_: as nt4cats said.. get a screenshot of the end of the dDEMO install Nov 17 19:35:20 I don't mean anyone harm by the abbreviation, just PMS is quicker to type than Package Manager Service...plus its fitting right now for me because my phone seems to be having some odd issue. Nov 17 19:35:21 I want to see the postinst launch IPKG Service into ram Nov 17 19:35:23 to verify, grab that file from webos quick install and look at it. (or view it view terminal) Nov 17 19:35:32 dDEMO or preware-bootstrap? Nov 17 19:35:45 dDEMO IS preware-bootstrap.sh Nov 17 19:35:58 when you wget from the bit.ly address it saves as dDEMO Nov 17 19:36:14 ify ou wget from the long_as_hell address, it saves as preware-bootstrap.sh Nov 17 19:36:15 wait Nov 17 19:36:21 as long as you have MaxRecvSpeed=-1 in the file, then it's right. Nov 17 19:36:28 egaudet_work: hammer time? Nov 17 19:36:32 dbsooner: okay...will do Nov 17 19:36:40 diomark: btw appreciate your patches and posts at precentral, lotta good info Nov 17 19:36:40 download.conf should be removed after EPR assuming it didn't exist before the patch install Nov 17 19:37:00 egaudet_work: but its not Nov 17 19:37:00 egaudet_work: I ran EPR and tested it. Nov 17 19:37:02 tnx flashpass Nov 17 19:37:17 dBsooner-work, what is the state of the file Nov 17 19:37:31 * dBsooner-work lost his hard drive last night. Nov 17 19:37:42 * dBsooner-work no longer has those emulator images. Nov 17 19:37:58 She failed on me. Nov 17 19:38:00 :~( Nov 17 19:38:12 yikes Nov 17 19:38:21 yeah.. I have all my dev stuff Nov 17 19:38:30 in fact I could probably restore those images Nov 17 19:38:30 I need someone to test for me Nov 17 19:38:34 * nt4cats is running for lunch -- brb Nov 17 19:38:35 is download.conf left there empty Nov 17 19:38:36 or left in tact Nov 17 19:38:43 I bet its left empty Nov 17 19:38:55 you don't even have to EPR Nov 17 19:38:56 nt4cats & dBsooner: it was a reinstall, is that okay...it simply said "ok" to each item...I can do screen capture and send to nt4cats Nov 17 19:38:59 just -R the patch Nov 17 19:39:14 Smiley_: did you say "yes" to both? Nov 17 19:39:20 anyone knows whats new in new version of twee? Nov 17 19:39:31 en0x: nice layout? :D Nov 17 19:39:36 new one? Nov 17 19:39:38 IDK to be honest. Nov 17 19:39:39 y to both Nov 17 19:39:48 Smiley_: no other output than "OK"? Nov 17 19:40:04 well and "installing blah vx.x.x: OK" Nov 17 19:40:40 okay to ipkgservice, okay to preware, okay to rescanning luna, okay to ipkgservice.postinst....setup complete Nov 17 19:40:55 screen shot that Nov 17 19:40:55 send it Nov 17 19:40:57 also Nov 17 19:40:59 if you can Nov 17 19:41:11 open the /tmp/dDEMO.log file Nov 17 19:41:19 or send it Nov 17 19:41:31 if not, open it (vi, nano, etc) and screen shot the end of the file Nov 17 19:41:48 "tail /tmp/dDEMO.log" would work Nov 17 19:42:01 dBsooner: Okay, I'll try for that Nov 17 19:42:02 i gotta go back inside .. brb Nov 17 19:42:09 Does anyone know key combo for tab complete on terminal Nov 17 19:44:25 * Mousey thinks . o O ( that'd be nice ) Nov 17 19:44:27 nt4cats: I sent both the captures to your email. Nov 17 19:44:32 it's not under non-obvious keys in the menu? Nov 17 19:44:41 * Mousey restarts luna Nov 17 19:46:34 k4p741nkrunch: try sym-i Nov 17 19:46:46 Nice chatting guys, gotta go steal a car :P Be back later. Thanks Mousey Nov 17 19:46:55 check under the menu in terminal, under non-obvious keys Nov 17 19:47:18 can you check df -h/var from the terminal app? Nov 17 19:47:34 sure, go for it! =) Nov 17 19:48:02 mousey: was that an answer to me? Nov 17 19:48:22 i think so Nov 17 19:48:32 lol Nov 17 19:48:51 its not seeming to work…but maybe I'm doing it wrong Nov 17 19:49:07 I am just typing df -h/var in the terminal Nov 17 19:49:18 do I need to change directories? Nov 17 19:50:21 diomark: I remember on the forums there were 2 patches in a thread, one was to enable more apps to be open (swap?), and another was more memory to the apps (fstab?)...is the fstab one available in preware? I only seem to be able to find the luna.conf patch..or am I getting them all mixed up? Nov 17 19:51:26 anyone? can you check df -h/var from the terminal app? Nov 17 19:52:54 sec Nov 17 19:53:41 what do you want to know bout the output? Nov 17 19:54:33 mikewx: is that to me? Nov 17 19:54:40 anyone wanna help me fix messaging on a pre? Nov 17 19:54:52 yes Nov 17 19:54:55 natenrb9: yes Nov 17 19:55:08 mikewx: if so, just want to know the amount of info in var Nov 17 19:55:36 Smiley_: ... and after those two logs when you run Preware, exactly what does it say? Nov 17 19:55:37 used: 228.1 available: 19.9 Nov 17 19:56:11 mikewx: you just did that through terminal? Nov 17 19:56:30 yes Nov 17 19:56:47 1.2.1 Nov 17 19:56:57 did you just type df -h/var from the start? or did you change directories or anything? Nov 17 19:57:16 from opening terminal Nov 17 19:57:17 oh, I'm on 1.3.1, I wonder if that will make it not work…? Nov 17 19:57:56 i need to reinstall messaging Nov 17 19:58:00 is that possible? Nov 17 19:58:18 I'll write the whole thing.... Nov 17 19:59:15 it says df: invalid option on mine... Nov 17 19:59:20 The Package Manager Service is not running. Did you remember to install it? If you did, first try restarting Preware, then try rebooting your phone and not launching Preware until you have a stable network connection available. Nov 17 20:00:10 com.palm.app.messaging deleted Nov 17 20:00:11 I've tried all the things the message suggests, none worked. After hitting okay to the message, Preware opens with all the items greyed out. Nov 17 20:00:17 justaguy, lol Nov 17 20:00:30 ya i know right Nov 17 20:00:31 lol Nov 17 20:00:46 i was trying to get the forwarding working and i deleted the wrong thing Nov 17 20:00:52 Smiley_: let me recruit a heavyweight. Your setup should be working ... Nov 17 20:01:34 smiley_: ... actually one thing I did notice is you had a network error message in one of the first screenshots you sent me Nov 17 20:01:49 nt4cats: Thank you greatly...there must be something holding PackageManagerService from running Nov 17 20:01:52 smiley_: can you surf the web using your pre? Nov 17 20:02:14 nt4cats: Yes, surfs the web fine during this whole time. Nov 17 20:03:21 egaudet_work ping Nov 17 20:03:28 anyone know if or if not df -h/var will work through the terminal app on 1.3.1? Nov 17 20:03:59 natenrb9 yes, but you need a space between the 'h' and the '/' Nov 17 20:04:50 justaguy, u have to extract it from webos doctor :P Nov 17 20:05:02 does that preware installer ever work for anyone Nov 17 20:05:09 nt4cats: doh! there we go! nice…I'm not very good with linux commands… Nov 17 20:05:11 im looking for it now, do you know where it is exactly? Nov 17 20:05:52 sampson: I use it all the time (including today) Nov 17 20:06:23 i've actually had a bit of trouble with the installers Nov 17 20:06:35 nt4cats pong Nov 17 20:07:51 nt4cats: every time i run it from windows or osx it just says PREWARE INSTALLED IT SHOULD SHOW UP! and it doesn't :I Nov 17 20:07:56 so i have to use webosquickinstall Nov 17 20:08:15 sampson: you should use webosquickinstall to install preware Nov 17 20:08:24 Smiley_, command line access? Nov 17 20:08:35 yes, i do but the webos-internals wiki says to try the little preware installer and i'm saying it never works :P Nov 17 20:09:32 en0x: ok got it extracted, now the tricky part... Nov 17 20:10:25 egaudet: I have a novaterm on my comp and the terminal app on my Pre Nov 17 20:11:21 have you tried to uninstall PMS via QI Nov 17 20:11:26 reinstall it Nov 17 20:11:30 via QI too Nov 17 20:12:48 can I force the email app to accept invalid certificates? Nov 17 20:13:05 justaguy, there is no tricky part Nov 17 20:13:06 ;P Nov 17 20:13:14 just copy the ipk to ur pre and install it Nov 17 20:13:14 :p Nov 17 20:14:24 egaudet: yes, I've tried QI for uninstalling PMS and Preware and then using it to reinstall it...and got the same error Nov 17 20:18:46 what error Nov 17 20:20:42 ok all my pre goes blank and i cant turn it on/off without pulling out the attery Nov 17 20:21:00 when i accept or call someone and we hang up the call. Nov 17 20:21:06 egaudet_work: his error message "The Package Manager Service is not running. Did you remember to install it? If you did, first try restarting Preware, then try rebooting your phone and not launching Preware until you have a stable network connection available." Nov 17 20:21:28 wondering if thats webOS isshue or the device? Nov 17 20:22:11 The Package Manager Service is not running. Did you remember to install it? If you did, first try restarting Preware, then try rebooting your phone and not launching Preware until you have a stable network connection available. Nov 17 20:24:16 BRB: got to do a delivery Nov 17 20:27:28 Smiley_: a baby? Nov 17 20:33:50 diomark: ping Nov 17 20:37:04 flasshpass: pong Nov 17 20:37:52 RE: the two memory patches - Nov 17 20:38:07 I don't know if they were ever helping. Need more testing.. I kept running into the memory issues even w/ the patches Nov 17 20:38:20 (so it might have been a placebo..) - I hadn't submitted the patches because of that. Nov 17 20:38:54 yo Nov 17 20:40:03 en0x: i fixed it Nov 17 20:40:08 good Nov 17 20:40:16 i'm happy for u Nov 17 20:40:17 :p Nov 17 20:40:19 en0x: used scp and just compied the files over Nov 17 20:40:25 copied* Nov 17 20:40:53 so now u have +10 to virual penis Nov 17 20:40:54 :D Nov 17 20:41:03 i deleted the com.pal.app.messaging directory, once replaced everything was still there Nov 17 20:41:35 justa: I dig your nickname ... I tried on a similar one, but it didn't fit Nov 17 20:41:50 had to reboot the pre to see the icon Nov 17 20:42:05 justaguy, u just could rescan using luna manager Nov 17 20:42:05 :D Nov 17 20:42:09 nt4cats: its not mine, im just squating Nov 17 20:42:22 en0x: i did a rescan but it seemed to take forever Nov 17 20:42:55 i see Nov 17 20:43:21 now if i could just get the rndis gadget to work on the pixi Nov 17 20:44:03 Smiley_, remove and reinstall preware as well Nov 17 20:45:13 diomark: ah okay, it definitely seemed to at least speedup certain areas Nov 17 20:47:01 I'm doing quite a bit of testing around memory tweaking w/ 1.3.1 - will definately submit patches once I have something usable.. (right now, my pre runs like crap... MUCH worst then 1.2.1 ever did) Nov 17 20:47:55 mine runs fine Nov 17 20:48:14 mine's fine for a day or so, but keeps hitting memory limits after that (basically needs daily reboots..) Nov 17 20:48:45 I actually think it *might* be becasue I added my yahoo account.. removed it yesterday to see if it made a difference. Nov 17 20:54:57 Hey all Nov 17 20:56:39 hey Nov 17 20:57:02 nt4cats: Yes, as a baby doctor, I do several deliverys a week...inbetween strokes of Pre troubleshooting.... actually I work at one of the wafer fabs at TI that makes several chips for the Pre...and had to walk a part to a vendor to install. Nov 17 20:57:37 egaudet, yes, I've removed preware and reinstalled several times...should I try it again? Nov 17 20:58:17 oh new updates Nov 17 20:58:19 Smiley_: do you get to wear the cool space suits Nov 17 21:00:40 I get to do both: I have a cubical, and get to wear a space suit...but its just white, not intel sparkling pink.... Nov 17 21:00:56 Smiley_: and the disco ball and dancing, etc.? Nov 17 21:01:05 do you ever wear the space suit while sitting in the cubical? Nov 17 21:02:48 Smiley_: you've attracted the attention of a few of the Preware heavyweights here, by the way (note: I am decidedly not in that group myself) Nov 17 21:03:18 Ah...no disco balls, just round safty mirrors...and some of the machines just beep when they error out, some play music to let you know they are upset. Nov 17 21:03:42 * oil goes back to work :/ Nov 17 21:04:15 oil: don't work, hang out on the irc. That's been my M.O. today ... Nov 17 21:04:20 I didn't mean to start a Preware ruckis...but happy to see there is this irc channel Nov 17 21:05:53 I found though that the Omap chip is not made at my fab, TI farms that out to a foundry....made me sad Nov 17 21:06:38 BRB Nov 17 21:07:28 TSMC? Nov 17 21:07:37 * Mousey throws names out Nov 17 21:08:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_5Hf2n3VFE <--- Smiley_ at work Nov 17 21:09:41 hola Nov 17 21:09:57
test Nov 17 21:10:01 sweet Nov 17 21:10:06 nice work guys Nov 17 21:10:59 hey! 1.3.1 is out? Nov 17 21:11:08 why am i always the last to find out?! Nov 17 21:11:10 Mousey: not yet. wait a few weeks Nov 17 21:11:22 srsly, it's showing "download now" Nov 17 21:11:37 it's been out since over the weekend. Nov 17 21:11:42 oh Nov 17 21:11:44 i ar slo Nov 17 21:12:01 so (and i'm sure i asked this a billion times before), i should run EPR before upgrading, eh Nov 17 21:12:59 yes you should Nov 17 21:13:08 hello Nov 17 21:13:13 Mousey: here are instructions for you: Nov 17 21:13:51 uninstall theme(s), run epr, upgrade phone? Nov 17 21:13:57 Mousey: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions Nov 17 21:14:04 thx Nov 17 21:14:13 Mousey: you've got it, basically -- but it is spelled out there Nov 17 21:14:37 k, ty Nov 17 21:16:02 rwhitby: ping Nov 17 21:17:37 EPR is scary Nov 17 21:17:46 how so? Nov 17 21:18:02 all those diffs and patches and reverts and oooh i hope it goes ok! >_< Nov 17 21:18:05 what??? Nov 17 21:18:22 epr is quite simple Nov 17 21:18:44 fine, it's simple. i'm still a scared little n00b Nov 17 21:19:12 does md5 of file in directory match md5 of stock file? if yes, blow out backup. If no, does backup md5 match stock os md5? if yes, restore. Nov 17 21:20:01 stiiiiiill going Nov 17 21:20:17 * Mousey had lots of patches Nov 17 21:20:24 done! Nov 17 21:20:26 *phew* Nov 17 21:20:29 * Mousey runs upgrade Nov 17 21:20:32 wait, Nov 17 21:20:35 noo Nov 17 21:20:35 wait Nov 17 21:20:36 wait Nov 17 21:20:38 wait Nov 17 21:20:43 are all patches gone? Nov 17 21:20:47 me refreshes, makes sure all pat.. yah Nov 17 21:20:50 +/ Nov 17 21:22:01 aCk! all my patches are gone1 Nov 17 21:22:17 lol Nov 17 21:22:20 so they are all gone? Nov 17 21:22:23 yeah, preware should make a list of patches and enable us to reapply them Nov 17 21:22:33 gkatsev: we are working on that Nov 17 21:22:41 =) Nov 17 21:22:51 dBsooner-work: cool. is there an ETA for that? Nov 17 21:22:53 actually what we are thinking about doing is changing the prerm to allow you to just update Nov 17 21:23:15 and then afterwards Preware will just see all the patches that have an upgarde and you can upgrade to them Nov 17 21:23:27 the "remove" wont' really do anything cuz the upgrade overwrote the patches Nov 17 21:23:34 dBsooner-work, no Nov 17 21:23:38 if the patch ISN"T avail in new webOS version Nov 17 21:23:41 EPR does not check if backup matches md5 Nov 17 21:23:41 oh Nov 17 21:23:54 epr restore basckup Nov 17 21:23:59 "This command will remove webosinternals.services" wtf? Nov 17 21:28:35 i think i had more patches installed than actual programs Nov 17 21:29:39 slide-closed-to-hang-up being my reigning favorite so far Nov 17 21:29:46 god what i wouldn't give for a jabber client tho =( Nov 17 21:31:53 mousey: i used jabber over irc with "bitlbee" Nov 17 21:32:31 its a haaaaaaaaaack! Nov 17 21:32:32 bitlbee is a irc-to-all-IM-protocols gateway.. you talk to it with an IRC client and it talks to all the IM services and makes it look like you're chatting to them over irc Nov 17 21:32:42 yeah it's a horrible hack but it's better than most of the IM clients :) Nov 17 21:33:31 except there -are no- im clients to compare it to on pre ;_; Nov 17 21:33:45 pre does AIM doesn't it? Nov 17 21:33:53 yah, but who uses that??? Nov 17 21:33:57 heh Nov 17 21:34:02 i dunno, i'm not much of an IM user Nov 17 21:35:13 Okay, Yes, that is actually how Chips are made...the dancing creates a harmonic energy pulse that helps implant the dopants....I'm in photolithography, we don't have dancing. Nov 17 21:35:55 Sorry to keep leaving...so are there any suggestions for the Preware that thinks PMS is not installed? Maybe PMS needs to be kickstarted? Nov 17 21:36:25 what does 1.3.1 do? Nov 17 21:36:32 * Mousey googles Nov 17 21:36:43 Smiley_: egaudet_work is one of the heavyweights I mentioned earlier. Nov 17 21:37:19 then I shall follow his advice Nov 17 21:39:42 Mousey: http://www.precentral.net/undocumented-webos-131-features Nov 17 21:39:53 ^_^ Nov 17 21:41:23 egaudet: I appreciate your interest in helping on this Preware PMS issue Nov 17 21:42:09 * nt4cats rotfl Preware PMS issue Nov 17 21:42:12 zsoc|away: message me when you get back :) Nov 17 21:43:02 Preware bites your head off when you walk in the room on the presumption that you were about to do something wrong? Nov 17 21:48:36 my friend at work just showed me how cool his Motorola Droid is. It was 4 straight minutes of apps not starting, network connection errors, and difficulty naviating the UI. Nov 17 21:48:51 haha Nov 17 21:48:54 The only thing that worked was his gmail client Nov 17 21:49:02 but apparently it has a pretty screen, or something Nov 17 21:49:09 the screen did look pretty Nov 17 21:49:16 the UI seemed pretty complex Nov 17 21:50:20 I'm sure with a bit of practice and a good network connection it would have been an impressive 'show and tell' ... it was kinda funny, though, that this one worked out that way Nov 17 21:50:56 apparently there's an alternative firmware for android phones called cyanogen Nov 17 21:51:07 which sounded sort of cool. like maybe it's android without all the spying on you? Nov 17 21:53:42 bbl Nov 17 22:00:12 nt4cats, dBsooner, egaudet, I'm wrapping it up here at work, so I'll sign on when I get home...let me know if you have things for me to try, or data I can get your way to help you dig to the root of the problem. I definitely appreciate the help and effort. Nov 17 22:17:16 I've resetted my palm pre, now i have to enter phone settings? anyone knows how to fix this? Nov 17 22:17:44 internet apn, username, password Nov 17 22:18:27 hi all Nov 17 22:18:53 markstag: I never found any UI way to even enter that data actually.. should you have to? Nov 17 22:19:20 after i did an full reset Nov 17 22:19:30 then the phone rebooted Nov 17 22:19:49 then i get a screen called Enter phone settings Nov 17 22:19:56 internet apn, username, password Nov 17 22:20:40 and there is no way to get passed that:s Nov 17 22:24:16 chuqui likes hanging out in webos-internals. :D Nov 17 22:25:20 yup. Nov 17 22:25:32 fun people. why not? Nov 17 22:25:46 LOL Nov 17 22:25:46 is there a remove all patches for preware ? Nov 17 22:26:13 Hey chuqui: How much would you sell me a dev Pixi for? I would like to get one in my hands pretty badly. :) Nov 17 22:26:32 * dBsooner-work loves my Pre though. Would only use the Pixi for dev. :) Nov 17 22:26:47 A2NY: Si. It's called "Emergency Patch Recovery" Nov 17 22:26:53 * nt4cats 's Pre could beat up dBsooner's Pre Nov 17 22:26:56 go to "list of everything" Nov 17 22:27:16 and search for emergency Nov 17 22:27:58 ... Nov 17 22:28:09 emergency call /emergency button Nov 17 22:28:10 But chuqui ignores the requests of the lonely developer. Hehe. Nov 17 22:28:20 a2ny not list of all patches Nov 17 22:28:27 go to the MAIN menu Nov 17 22:28:31 (eye roll) Nov 17 22:28:34 backswipe a ton of times Nov 17 22:28:37 many I really need to stay out of #webos Nov 17 22:28:52 I keep forgetting when someone asks if something is possible, they mean with an existing API :P Nov 17 22:29:00 LOL.. There is no eyerolling allowed in here. :) Nov 17 22:29:27 ~smack nt4cats Nov 17 22:29:28 * infobot smacks nt4cats upside the head. Nov 17 22:29:30 ow! Nov 17 22:29:46 dBsooner-work: nothing is in there Nov 17 22:29:47 I've resetted my palm pre, now i have to enter phone settings? anyone knows how to fix this? Nov 17 22:30:02 A2NY: update feed Nov 17 22:30:06 did Nov 17 22:30:15 update feeds, then go to "list of everything" Nov 17 22:30:22 which should be like over 1000 packages Nov 17 22:30:39 is it the theme feeds ? Nov 17 22:30:45 No Nov 17 22:30:54 its in the webos-internals feed Nov 17 22:31:13 a2ny: don't go into any feeds at all Nov 17 22:31:39 chuqui: It doesn't even have to have a radio in it. you can put a wifi radio in it instead. I'm not picky. Hehehe. Nov 17 22:31:50 you cannot find anything from other parts of preware that you cannot find in list of EVERYTHING Nov 17 22:31:57 a2ny: (like dbsooner said) from the main preware screen/scene/menu, select "list of everything". Once you're in that list just start typing (no quotes) "emergency" Nov 17 22:32:28 like I said, just patches show up =\ Nov 17 22:32:41 is your webos-internals feed disabled? Nov 17 22:32:49 nope Nov 17 22:32:52 it is on Nov 17 22:32:58 patches are off, I will turn them on Nov 17 22:33:05 :confused: Nov 17 22:33:09 a2ny: do you have network connectivity now? Nov 17 22:33:15 * dBsooner-work is flabber gasted. Nov 17 22:33:16 patches are off but list of everything shows patches? Nov 17 22:33:20 yup Nov 17 22:33:26 re downloading feeds Nov 17 22:33:27 That's even more confusing. Nov 17 22:35:08 ok i'm gone, bbl Nov 17 22:35:24 when I update feeds it seems to skip from prethemere to webos-patches Nov 17 22:35:45 prethemer has been offline for a while Nov 17 22:35:50 anoutsider has been upgrading Nov 17 22:36:04 the webos-internals server has been hosting his feed temporarily Nov 17 22:37:19 can I run package manager from the term ? Nov 17 22:37:26 it still is not showing up Nov 17 22:38:46 package manager? Nov 17 22:39:08 yes Nov 17 22:39:34 is there a complete ideal server system for synchronization? i would like to have my contacts with photos, calendars (incorporating google's and others) and todos ... and want to put my sensitive data rather on my own than some company's server ... any ideas? Nov 17 22:39:57 Vince42: start coding, you'll make yourself some money once you've released it. Nov 17 22:40:30 Vince42, i'm pretty sure rod is working with some.. drew(?) guy .. getting some sort of complete backup system... Nov 17 22:40:36 i noticed it in the webos-internals git Nov 17 22:40:51 kewl, so i guess i should stay tuned then ... :) Nov 17 22:41:31 unfortunately there's a shortcoming with every server system atm ... i wish there was some plain SyncML Syngergy Provider - that'll help a lot ... Nov 17 22:41:36 A2NY: do this: ipkg -o /var list | grep emergencyt Nov 17 22:41:38 woops Nov 17 22:41:47 ipkg -o /var list | grep emergency Nov 17 22:42:29 BTW chuqui: I think it is the coolest thing to see the head of developing for a major phone manufacturer to be inside a "non-official" chat channel. Nov 17 22:42:46 In all my years of developing for phones, and other areas, I have never seen that. Nov 17 22:43:01 nothing Nov 17 22:43:22 head of developing what? :P Nov 17 22:43:45 A2NY: ipkg -o /var update Nov 17 22:44:09 vince42.. i just rsync my phone's whole filesystem to a backup server every day. :) Nov 17 22:44:10 I like hearing what's being said. If I can find a problem when it's small, it's easier to fix than when it gets big and hungry. Nov 17 22:44:36 chuqui: Don't lie. You were here to see who all would violate the NDA on the early SDK. ;) Nov 17 22:44:49 You don't have to lie to kick it. HEhehe. J/k Nov 17 22:44:56 epv: that's an option to make some backups - but when it comes to changes in the data itself something unfortunately something more sophisticated is needed :) Nov 17 22:45:23 plus that's for the lawyers, not you. Hehe. Nov 17 22:45:39 yeah something is broke Nov 17 22:45:51 update returns nothing Nov 17 22:45:52 A2NY: reinstall ipkgservice Nov 17 22:45:54 i really wonder why they didn't integrate plain SyncML in Synergy ... Nov 17 22:46:00 ooh. here's my silly suggestion of the day, then - lock some apps like the dialer in ram so you don't sit around waiting for them to get paged in when you run them Nov 17 22:46:01 I don't have to go looking for violations. If omeone does, 15 other developers email me. Nov 17 22:46:10 ROFL. Nov 17 22:46:23 "Mr. Chuq.. So and So is not playing fair." Nov 17 22:46:51 oh my other silly suggestion of the day is disable packet forwarding rather than wifi adhoc mode to keep the carriers happy. :) Nov 17 22:46:52 A2NY: wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO Nov 17 22:47:05 that's my preware/ipkgservice bootstrap script Nov 17 22:47:09 it will reinstall both for you Nov 17 22:51:48 ok good Nov 17 22:52:15 rebooting phone, ipkg update worked, error at preware Nov 17 22:58:10 * mumbles is going ot have to go to 02 store tommow if i cant fix this pre problem Nov 17 22:58:20 Where would be the best place to make patch suggestions? Nov 17 22:58:24 * Mousey clicks "install now" Nov 17 22:58:53 * mumbles wishes he could click install now Nov 17 23:00:09 * Mousey watches progress bar eek along ever so slowly, as he is careful not to accidentally remove battery Nov 17 23:01:16 * mumbles cannot install web os docter 02 Nov 17 23:02:44 jello3d, probably the wiki... but you could throw a bone in here and see how it goes Nov 17 23:04:17 how do I launch package manager service Nov 17 23:04:48 what is the best way to get passed the first use app? Nov 17 23:05:05 markstag, you mean the carrier activation? Nov 17 23:05:10 yes Nov 17 23:05:18 A2NY, you don't really... launch it.. it should be running Nov 17 23:05:37 Well, given the Pixi is much darker than the Pre, when the Pixi goes to low light mode it gets too dark... It would be nice to have a patch to set the minimum illumination setting. For the Pixi, this would be higher. Nov 17 23:05:41 markstag, Rod made a revision to webos doctor called 'meta doctor' which allows you to bypass activation Nov 17 23:06:06 that's the one i need linux for? Nov 17 23:06:18 jello3d, that would be possible., the real limitation at this point is the lack of developers with pixis Nov 17 23:06:28 markstag, probably, ... not sure. maybe not. why do you need to bypass activation? Nov 17 23:06:50 becouse i can't activate i gues... i'm in holland Nov 17 23:07:11 i've got an shipped palm pre from o2 uk Nov 17 23:07:47 markstag, oh... yeah.. meta doctor, and yes you need linux access... instructions -> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Nov 17 23:08:03 dammmn this sucks big time:s Nov 17 23:08:19 Well, if anyone wants to test patches, there are willing sheep out there :) For example, but the GPS toggles have the unfortunate side effect of disabling the Pixi's radio entirely Nov 17 23:08:39 but=both Nov 17 23:08:50 interesting. Nov 17 23:09:58 * mumbles wants to know if theres a problem with palm webOS 1.1.3 uk 02 and the phone frazing when a call is ended Nov 17 23:11:57 markstag, if you problem is linux, you could install ubuntu with Wubi (it installs ubuntu as a windows application, and you can remove it afterwares).. or you could install ubuntu inside of a VirtualBox in windows.. i'm pretty sure both options are free Nov 17 23:12:57 yes i wil try the wubi, hope this works out becouse i have no experiance with linux so far Nov 17 23:13:17 markstag, the amount of documentation is astounding :) it should be painless Nov 17 23:13:33 i have no choise:D Nov 17 23:13:48 who knows, maybe you'll decide you like it :) i hear opensource is very popular in the netherlands Nov 17 23:14:16 zsoc indeed it is Nov 17 23:14:44 dutch open source community is one of the biggest globaly Nov 17 23:16:54 dutch as a culture you mean? Because everyone I know who speaks the language dutch, also speaks at least 3 other languages, and claims to never speak dutch lol. Nov 17 23:17:07 * Mousey screen goes blank Nov 17 23:17:08 uh ok Nov 17 23:17:16 ooo, fancy new logo! Nov 17 23:17:53 ha, yes Nov 17 23:19:14 zsoc Dutch is our languadge, but our people can also be called dutch Nov 17 23:20:54 markstag, i see. interesting. well you can get minor linux support in here, otherwise check out ##linux. anything directly involving metadoctor help is probably best pointed toward rwhitby when he wakes up :) Nov 17 23:21:19 thanks zsoc Nov 17 23:21:25 or ##ubuntu for wubi help :) Nov 17 23:23:48 well F-this Nov 17 23:24:01 A2NY, what issue are you having exactly? Nov 17 23:24:01 is the webdoctor up to the latest ? Nov 17 23:24:24 package manager service will not start Nov 17 23:24:35 rescan, reboot, etc... Nov 17 23:24:45 A2NY, .. did you try removing it entirely and reinstalling it with the preware installer? Nov 17 23:24:50 yup Nov 17 23:25:03 I have installed the emergency tool Nov 17 23:25:09 via cli Nov 17 23:26:11 chrisa: wircd for pixi is in the testing feed Nov 17 23:26:53 metadoctor is easy Nov 17 23:26:54 ;) Nov 17 23:27:45 I think wirc would make the pixi the smallest irc client every :) Nov 17 23:27:49 s/every/ever Nov 17 23:27:57 wai! Nov 17 23:28:01 can't install vK?! Nov 17 23:30:23 w00t Nov 17 23:31:56 JUST CHARGE BY DEFAULT! Nov 17 23:31:59 * Mousey glees Nov 17 23:32:44 Say, offhand, has anyone here gotten OpenAFS client installed on their Pre? Nov 17 23:32:46 u r so lame :S Nov 17 23:36:19 a-patchin' we will go.. a-patchin' we will go! Nov 17 23:37:56 egaudet: what's the status on VKB for 1.3.1? Nov 17 23:38:19 * Mousey feels naked without it Nov 17 23:39:02 Installing a theme then doing an internal OTA is not a recommended course of action Nov 17 23:40:12 would it be strange if i can use ifconfig in the pre terminal, but not on the same pre with putty? Nov 17 23:40:34 yes Nov 17 23:40:36 unless Nov 17 23:40:42 you're getting "command not found" Nov 17 23:40:47 then it wouldn't be strange Nov 17 23:40:58 sh: ifconfig: not found Nov 17 23:41:01 k Nov 17 23:41:03 not strange then Nov 17 23:41:05 Bad path variable Nov 17 23:41:09 /sbin/ifconfig Nov 17 23:41:31 wonder how that happened Nov 17 23:41:49 the status is I need a nap Nov 17 23:41:52 your shell rc file or _profile isn't doing the thing Nov 17 23:42:04 * Mousey puts egaudet in sleep mode Nov 17 23:42:26 The autocorrect I added doesn't work anymore because 1.3.1 now blocks access to /etc Nov 17 23:42:29 chrisa: I just packaged the Pre wircd service for Pixi, so let us know if it works :-) Nov 17 23:42:32 it was working fine, then i left for 30 mins and upon returning that happened Nov 17 23:42:46 chrisa: I believe that it's armv5 compiled Nov 17 23:42:47 something changed Nov 17 23:43:03 5? Nov 17 23:43:04 so I'm going to take out autocorrect :( to get a relase out Nov 17 23:44:58 After running it the first time preware will no longer operate properly on this build, hm Nov 17 23:45:28 Seems like the package manager service isn't getting along Nov 17 23:45:40 does your jvm keep crashing ? Nov 17 23:46:33 Looks that way Nov 17 23:46:36 EAS exceptions Nov 17 23:46:51 oh strange - i saw heap OOM exceptions when mine would crash Nov 17 23:46:54 i just tried to install wircd got error cannot satisfy the following dependencies for ws.junk.wirc: us.ryanhope.wircd Nov 17 23:47:00 ~botsnack Nov 17 23:47:01 kesne: aw, gee Nov 17 23:47:26 I've come to accept that I can't use preware so long as I keep using dev builds Nov 17 23:47:37 chrisa: I'll be interested in any feedback as to why. Nov 17 23:47:43 * mumbles thumps his phone Nov 17 23:47:57 rwhitby: i tried on the pixi Nov 17 23:48:18 justaguy: what's the latest status there? Nov 17 23:48:29 i just tried the wircd Nov 17 23:48:34 i just tried to install wircd got error cannot satisfy the following dependencies for ws.junk.wirc: us.ryanhope.wircd Nov 17 23:48:52 justaguy: you need to get wircd from the testing feed for the pixi Nov 17 23:48:57 ok Nov 17 23:48:58 PuffTheMagic: won't let me release it yet Nov 17 23:49:06 (we need people to test it first) Nov 17 23:49:12 i will test it Nov 17 23:49:23 * mumbles has got wircd working on the pre Nov 17 23:49:23 justaguy: u got sdk? Nov 17 23:49:25 or i had Nov 17 23:49:28 yes Nov 17 23:49:33 1.3.1 Nov 17 23:50:02 justaguy: do you know how to use git? Nov 17 23:50:22 PuffTheMagic: he can just test 0.0.4 from the testing feed, can't he? Nov 17 23:50:31 there's an ipkg there Nov 17 23:50:46 rwhitby: i want him to test the binary i made to day that has armv6 specific cflags Nov 17 23:50:47 as in git git:// ? Nov 17 23:51:07 odd, I hadn't looked at the packageservice upstart script before Nov 17 23:51:37 justaguy: yeah you could use the 0.0.4 ipks from the testing feed, Nov 17 23:51:46 justaguy: but i have a binary i specifcally needed tested Nov 17 23:51:46 PuffTheMagic: ok, you don't want him to test that armv5 0.0.4 works first to get a baseline on installation correctness before introducing binary arch specificity? Nov 17 23:51:49 that is not in the freed Nov 17 23:51:51 feed Nov 17 23:52:05 the armv5 "should" work Nov 17 23:52:09 im not really worried about it Nov 17 23:52:22 i didnt add any special flags Nov 17 23:52:30 but later releases will be tuned a little more Nov 17 23:52:37 even though it probably dont make any difference Nov 17 23:52:47 and i just need confirmation it runs Nov 17 23:52:52 well just tell me what you would like me to do Nov 17 23:53:05 justaguy: if i have you a url can you wget it from novaterm and run it? Nov 17 23:53:12 * rwhitby wonders why you'd do that, causing you to then have to support two different binaries and having to ask them question "are you running the Pre or the Pixi binary" when getting support requests ... Nov 17 23:53:12 ok Nov 17 23:53:26 i have ubuntu running in vb too Nov 17 23:53:55 PuffTheMagic: you're seriously going to do different cflags for Pre and Pixi builds? Nov 17 23:54:22 rwhitby: yeah i was planning on it... at some point Nov 17 23:54:25 is there a way to stop the Preware changelog from coming up everytime I launch it? Nov 17 23:54:27 well Nov 17 23:54:38 rwhitby: i planned on using armv7 specifc flags for the pre Nov 17 23:54:40 rwhitby, can we have the binary patch argument yet? Nov 17 23:54:44 i never inteded on a pixi build Nov 17 23:54:46 till you brough it up Nov 17 23:55:08 i think alot of people are going to like this pixi Nov 17 23:55:30 pixi is a pretty sexy device Nov 17 23:55:38 you don't have speed issues as the reviews say ? Nov 17 23:55:57 not really anything much dif that on my pre Nov 17 23:56:06 it seems to depend on what youre doing Nov 17 23:56:14 how much you got open Nov 17 23:57:38 justaguy: http://omploader.org/vMnNucA Nov 17 23:57:50 justaguy: novaterm into that and wget it into /tmp Nov 17 23:57:53 then run it Nov 17 23:58:28 you can do 'wget http://omploader.org/vMnNucA -O wIRCd' Nov 17 23:58:31 then wIRCd -V Nov 17 23:59:32 hang ona sec, novaterm cant find the dev now Nov 17 23:59:53 The ipkgservice script doesn't really do much Nov 18 00:01:35 has 1.3.1 webos doctor been released? Nov 18 00:01:35 should it do more ? Nov 18 00:02:40 chrisa: we cant really use the dbus .service file trick Nov 18 00:02:50 chrisa: since preware is not a com.palm app Nov 18 00:03:58 unless i was using the service call (the one taht can start a service) wrong Nov 18 00:06:10 hi Nov 18 00:06:13 i'm running the precomd novacom here and trying to use the PreWare installer.... the installer keeps claiming, novacom wasn't running... isn't this working yet? Nov 18 00:06:25 hrmm - what is the preware installer ? Nov 18 00:07:09 http://get.preware.org/ the one available here... Nov 18 00:07:25 ah - precomd shouldn't be used with that most likely .. Nov 18 00:07:45 ok, so i should better use the "manual" installation routine for PreWare.... Nov 18 00:07:46 any reason you don't want to run the normal novacomd ? Nov 18 00:08:31 bpadalino: there's no "normal" novacomd for me... couldn't find sources for novacomd anywhere and there's only a binary for debian available... i'm on Gentoo ... Nov 18 00:08:43 bpadalino: i still want to make precomd be able to work like novacomd Nov 18 00:08:46 bpadalino: that would be nice Nov 18 00:08:51 ok, i could try to extract the deb and check, whether it is linked statically... it could probably work Nov 18 00:08:54 PuffTheMagic: sounds formidable Nov 18 00:09:05 eliasp: try it out and let us know how it works out Nov 18 00:09:15 i'll do... gimme a minute ;-) Nov 18 00:09:30 take your time :) Nov 18 00:09:33 eliasp, there's a buildable version of novacom out there... may include the daemon Nov 18 00:09:39 Anybody messed with AFS on webOS? Nov 18 00:09:48 zsoc: oh really? it is? any idea where to find it? Nov 18 00:10:02 PuffTheMagic: im unable to find the device now. i might need to just reboot the computer ill do that and return. sorry for the delay Nov 18 00:10:33 AtomicPlayboy, you talking about the network migrated file system thingy? Nov 18 00:12:16 lol @ preware thread Nov 18 00:12:27 eliasp, can't find it at the moment... just extract the .deb and move novacomd to /opt/Palm/ .. or something like that Nov 18 00:12:29 everyone noticing speed increase Nov 18 00:12:35 not really Nov 18 00:12:36 ;) Nov 18 00:12:48 I noticed my battery drains faster with 1.3.1 though. Nov 18 00:12:58 i noticed my phone doesn't charge with 1.3.1 ::P Nov 18 00:13:02 zsoc: yes, just found the deb again ( https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/1.1/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_0.3-svn177284-hud9_i386.deb ) ... trying it now... Nov 18 00:13:13 What's the deal with all the people having issues with Preware reporting the IPKG Service isn't running? Nov 18 00:13:24 * eliasp doesn't even have 1.3.1 yet... still on 1.1 ... it sucks to be an EU palm customer ;( Nov 18 00:13:44 * oil_pre doesn't know Nov 18 00:14:20 oil_pre: I have one that even sent me screenshots of the .postinst of .19 launching it into process Nov 18 00:14:35 but still shows "IPKG Service not installed/running" Nov 18 00:15:40 some ssl sites don't work with the upgrade? Nov 18 00:15:40 yeah, I don't know much about the service Nov 18 00:17:10 I just write the javascript :/ Nov 18 00:17:47 PuffTheMagic: ok im connected now but i need that link again Nov 18 00:18:11 zsoc: copying novacom over to /opt and starting novacomd manually actually worked.... the PreWare installer claimed everything's done, but i don't see PreWare appearing in my applications... let's see.... Nov 18 00:18:34 eliasp, should be the bottom of your first launcher page Nov 18 00:18:42 justaguy: you can do 'wget http://omploader.org/vMnNucA -O wIRCd' Nov 18 00:18:53 so yah, i can't seem to get into certain web pages anymore after the upgrade Nov 18 00:18:57 (nor a reboot) Nov 18 00:19:00 hey guys, don't know if anyone is around but I'm sitting at the airport and discovered a scenario that can break theming and require repair Nov 18 00:19:07 Mousey, the webbrowser has become more 'compliant' Nov 18 00:19:10 zsoc: nothing there... retrying the installation procedure... Nov 18 00:19:21 zsoc: saw that in changelog Nov 18 00:19:27 zsoc: but i mean, it's boke Nov 18 00:19:29 AnOutsider, install 2 themes? breaks things every time Nov 18 00:19:42 AnOutsider: categories :) Nov 18 00:19:45 no something simpler Nov 18 00:19:47 PuffTheMagic: /bin/sh: wIRCd: Permission denied Nov 18 00:19:54 lol Nov 18 00:19:58 chmod +x wIRCd Nov 18 00:19:59 :P Nov 18 00:20:06 justaguy: chmod 777 it Nov 18 00:20:07 or +x Nov 18 00:20:09 aah... "You may need to restart the phone for Preware to show up." ... Nov 18 00:20:20 can someone with 1.3.1 hit the following page successfully? https://merlin.ross154.net:8079 Nov 18 00:20:36 PuffTheMagic: wIRCd - WebOS IRC Daemon (0.0.5) Nov 18 00:20:41 eliasp: that's if you manually install without rescanning luna Nov 18 00:20:46 justaguy: good Nov 18 00:20:48 thanks Nov 18 00:21:03 justaguy: pixi builds tonight probably in preware Nov 18 00:21:09 should be an eyeOS login screen Nov 18 00:21:10 if preware installer says it's installed, it should be installed Nov 18 00:21:23 zsoc what was that page again Nov 18 00:21:33 im in ubuntu now Nov 18 00:21:43 Is there any patches or mods that expanding the universal search for contacts? I have someone listed as girlfriend and I cant search that lol. Nov 18 00:21:50 Markstagg, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Nov 18 00:21:52 dBsooner-work: still waiting for someone to come in here at the right time to debug the ipkgservice not running. Nov 18 00:21:54 Under ummm.. company name :p Nov 18 00:22:03 thanks Nov 18 00:22:04 can someone with 1.3.1 hit the following page successfully? https://merlin.ross154.net:8079 Nov 18 00:22:06 rwhitby: 10-4.. Nov 18 00:22:07 should be an eyeOS login screen Nov 18 00:22:22 i found a few problems on my pre when trying to update some things Nov 18 00:22:44 egaudet...sorry for the long break, but I'm at home now with some time to dedicate to getting Preware and Package manager service to run again. Nov 18 00:22:47 loads for me Mousey Nov 18 00:22:54 everytime someone shows up, rwhitby is gone Nov 18 00:22:54 oh, just my phone then huh Nov 18 00:22:55 thanks Nov 18 00:23:02 the gdial wanted to update but it fails Nov 18 00:23:05 smiley: over here, mate. Nov 18 00:23:05 * Mousey runs EPR again Nov 18 00:23:06 there you go rwhitby Nov 18 00:23:08 Smiley is here Nov 18 00:23:14 Hooray! Nov 18 00:23:18 mousey:me yoo Nov 18 00:23:18 weee.... i see the PreWare icon...! Nov 18 00:23:19 Hooray Nov 18 00:23:20 Mousey, works fine Nov 18 00:23:22 too Nov 18 00:23:37 Btw rwhitby.. Smiley ran the preware-bootstrap and sent me screenshots Nov 18 00:23:45 Hi there all, Rod, dBsooner, egaudet Nov 18 00:23:48 eliasp: 0.9.9? Nov 18 00:23:51 cool, thanks people Nov 18 00:24:00 it shows it installing cleanly and spawning the ipkg service into processes Nov 18 00:24:02 smiley: you have a command line access you can cut and paste to webos.pastebin.com ? Nov 18 00:24:18 rwhitby: sure do Nov 18 00:24:24 oil_pre: I'm on my phone at the airport. I can get cats tonight or tomorrow Nov 18 00:24:29 oil_pre: no, 0.9.5 ... is 0.9.9 already stable? Nov 18 00:24:42 eliasp: yep, upgrade immediately Nov 18 00:24:48 099 > 095 Nov 18 00:24:56 oh...not cut and paste though...sorry, winxp novaterm seems to not let me cut and paste Nov 18 00:25:00 ok, just running the update... thx! Nov 18 00:25:02 Sorry, spoke too soon Nov 18 00:25:09 AnOutsider: email me the scenario please Nov 18 00:25:10 speed improvements are great Nov 18 00:25:17 smiley download putty Nov 18 00:25:28 sure... Nov 18 00:25:31 cats for themes = ftw Nov 18 00:26:33 http://www.twitpic.com/px7f2 lol Nov 18 00:27:13 downloaded, first thing putty wants is configuration...any help on the "host name"? Nov 18 00:27:27 localhsot Nov 18 00:27:29 localhost* Nov 18 00:27:37 select RAW Nov 18 00:28:04 aww gravy, my mom called because her phone died Nov 18 00:29:03 hu? preware died after removing a package... ;-/ Nov 18 00:32:05 so I want localhost for the host name Nov 18 00:32:15 eliasp: what's the last 100 lines in /var/log/messages ? Nov 18 00:33:08 rwhitby: don't know, device isn't running in dev mode anymore ;-/ Nov 18 00:33:52 rwhitby: will do. I actually want to reproduce it. I'll sign back on when I land Nov 18 00:33:58 dBsooner-work: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2043790#post2043790 for sms contact 1.3.1 if you don't have it already Nov 18 00:33:59 later guys! Nov 18 00:34:09 AnOutsider: thx for cats too Nov 18 00:34:11 i have it in m yinbox Nov 18 00:34:15 I have 19 in my inbox Nov 18 00:34:19 from the form Nov 18 00:34:30 i got my hard drive today and formatted it during lunch Nov 18 00:34:36 will be installing win 7 when I get home Nov 18 00:35:19 make that 21 Nov 18 00:35:31 with samkim's KeyToss KEyword Search Nov 18 00:37:08 Okay, she's taken care of....so, for putty, I take it I want to switch it to serial and just try com1 and up till I find the phone? Nov 18 00:37:25 no Nov 18 00:37:27 do RAAW Nov 18 00:37:59 dBsooner, okay, I selected Raw Nov 18 00:38:37 en0x, sslow: and your on 1.3.1 right? Nov 18 00:39:01 dBsooner: Correct me where I'm wrong, I'm new to this set up: Host name = localhost, port=22? Nov 18 00:39:46 dBsooner: guess I was wrong, it didn't work Nov 18 00:40:12 smiley: you have novaproxy running? Nov 18 00:40:36 eeeeh...didn't know to do that...Guess I need to download something else...where do I fetch that? Nov 18 00:40:59 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_From_Windows Nov 18 00:41:59 dBsooner: okay, thanks, I'll do all those steps and then get back once they're done Nov 18 00:43:20 is it technically possible controlling the brightness of screen/keyboard seperately? or do they share the same LED controller? it annoys me, that the keyboard is completely dark when being in a dark environment where i usually switch the screen brightness to low.... it should be the other way round... dark screen, bright keyboard <-> bright screen, dark keyboard... Nov 18 00:44:07 * mumbles shutsdown his palm pre and chrages up his xda Nov 18 00:45:09 eliasp, app already exists that separates them Nov 18 00:45:37 oh, great... someone must have read my mind ;-) Nov 18 00:45:45 going to look for it in PreWare Nov 18 00:45:49 Downloading Python per website from dBsooner Nov 18 00:46:36 rwhitby: hmm, updated to 0.9.9 preware, getting hangs downloading feed information over wifi (which just worked on 098) Nov 18 00:46:59 destinal: can you ipkg -o /var update and see which feeds? Nov 18 00:47:56 zsoc: do you know the name of the app for separating screen/keyboard brightness? it seems it isn't listed in PreWare Nov 18 00:48:23 im off to sleep Nov 18 00:48:33 zsoc: nvm... found it ;-) Nov 18 00:48:35 hmm.. returned immediately from command line, no error. and then started preware and it's fine too. maybe one of the feeds had a momentary issue or the wifi connection did I suppose Nov 18 00:51:35 dBsooner, rwhitby....got putty up and running now with a root@palm-webos-device:/# prompt Nov 18 00:52:02 wee Nov 18 00:52:12 palm-webos-device?? Nov 18 00:52:13 * dBsooner-work got him with copy/paste capabilities rwhitby Nov 18 00:52:24 destinal: yeah they renamed ti from castle Nov 18 00:52:31 lame. castle was cool Nov 18 00:52:34 which reminds me Nov 18 00:52:43 Terminal APp should change the Command Prompt Nov 18 00:53:19 you can change your PS1 variable in your profile.d dir Nov 18 00:53:22 wtf, i liked castle Nov 18 00:53:25 root@palm-webos-device#/var/home/root$ or wthever is long: Nov 18 00:53:36 i know Nov 18 00:53:41 terminal app should do that Nov 18 00:53:47 automatically Nov 18 00:53:54 reminded me of sean conneryfor some reason Nov 18 00:54:03 yeah, we could add a preferences item of "shorten prompt" or something that sets PS1 for you Nov 18 00:54:50 :) Nov 18 00:55:11 also I'm probably going to change my hostname assuming that doesn't break anything :) Nov 18 00:55:28 that and make it not reload back to /var/home/root/ when closing the "uncommon characters" scene Nov 18 00:55:38 I know the emulator cares what its hostname is but I don't think it cares on a real device Nov 18 00:56:10 destinal: that was my idea earlier.. but I didn't know if the device would get moody over a hostname change Nov 18 00:56:41 zsoc: Yes, OpenAFS client. Nov 18 00:56:44 dBsooner-work: I checked it out once, there are some event.d scripts that check hostname, but only to look for qemu names to detect being on an emulator Nov 18 00:57:10 crap Nov 18 00:57:12 dBsooner-work: it could be they've done more since then in 1.3.x but I'd be surprised Nov 18 00:57:16 can't log into these pages no patter what Nov 18 00:57:22 wtf did they do to my browser! Nov 18 00:57:44 even clearing cache/cookies/history won't let me in Nov 18 00:59:02 what's error [2051]? Nov 18 00:59:44 time for the PalmCast .... Nov 18 00:59:52 Ah Nov 18 00:59:59 smiley: ok, what does "ps -efww | grep webosinternals" say ? Nov 18 01:00:05 r u serious rwhitby? Nov 18 01:00:14 you're going to watch those two houligans? Nov 18 01:00:19 Dieter is gone this week. Nov 18 01:00:28 * dBsooner-work doesn't want to see another Droid Cast Nov 18 01:01:23 rwhitby: do you want that whole huge thing? Nov 18 01:01:46 smiley: webos.pastebin.com Nov 18 01:02:01 paste the output ther and give us link to the page it creates Nov 18 01:02:06 Mousey, right Nov 18 01:02:25 FYI: just highlighting in Putty copies Nov 18 01:03:14 smiley: then what does this say: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/status '{}' Nov 18 01:03:40 http://webos.pastebin.com/m6b902d4 Nov 18 01:03:41 wtf, why doesn't it work on mine Nov 18 01:04:36 wow, the music player remix is awesome.... now the only thing still missing is OggVorbis/FLAC support ;-) Nov 18 01:05:20 smiley: ok, so java has loaded the ipkgservice .jar file - the luna-send tests whether we can talk to it from the command line Nov 18 01:05:54 Mousey: sorry yes I'm on 1.3.1 Nov 18 01:05:57 eliasp: yeah, not much one can do there in mojo, services / plugins are needed to support those formats Nov 18 01:06:03 thanks Nov 18 01:06:10 why does it not work on my friggin phone then? Nov 18 01:06:33 sslow: can you go to http://ross154.net and tell me if you can get to the jukebox login? (link along top) Nov 18 01:06:52 rwhitby: okay...so far so good I take it Nov 18 01:07:09 smiley: got the output of the luna-send? Nov 18 01:07:20 i can twit? wtf Nov 18 01:08:44 Mousey: I can! Nov 18 01:08:57 it works Nov 18 01:09:39 weird Nov 18 01:09:48 ...from your phone rt? Nov 18 01:09:54 smiley: write the new URL here, prefixed by my nick when you pastebin something new, so it get's my attention. Nov 18 01:09:57 http://webos.pastebin.com/m7dcfbef5 Nov 18 01:10:08 rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/m7dcfbef5 Nov 18 01:10:16 sslow: are you on EVDO or WIFI? Nov 18 01:10:25 wifi Nov 18 01:10:31 i can't watch anymore... Nov 18 01:10:34 smiley: check your typing Nov 18 01:10:39 sslow: can you try from evdo? Nov 18 01:10:41 smiley: you should get a JSON response Nov 18 01:11:47 crap, you can Nov 18 01:11:55 okay, let me try again Nov 18 01:14:05 rwhitby: luna-send -n 1 responded with the same small list of -x items Nov 18 01:14:44 Mousey: sorry can't get ev here only 1x and its no go Nov 18 01:14:52 do you get an error? Nov 18 01:15:03 error 2051 by chance? Nov 18 01:15:18 [2051] Nov 18 01:15:33 anyone else in here need a google wave invite? Nov 18 01:15:49 when i can run a google wave service instance locally, sure Nov 18 01:16:12 oooh Nov 18 01:16:23 rwhitby: should I put my phone into airplane mode, people keep trying to call it Nov 18 01:16:24 1.3 supports screen widths besides 320 (mostly) Nov 18 01:16:45 Hello! I had to switch out my device, and upon "Restoring" the "backup" from Palm - it brought back nothing (except the Dot Game from the App Store). Lucky for me, I'm not a total idiot, and I DO have the PalmDatabase.db3 ... Nov 18 01:16:55 Can I just restore this file? Nov 18 01:17:33 i dont think you can restore it to a different device Nov 18 01:18:28 rposa: did your kids pixi sign out of the profile and reboot? Nov 18 01:18:35 this should make bare metal installs and/or running webos in vmware much more practical. I wonder if it's just a bugfix or if palm is planning on wider screened devices Nov 18 01:18:38 like doa full erase? Nov 18 01:18:50 justaguy - made a different profile email address for the Pixi Nov 18 01:19:00 sorry, I missed a big peic, let me try again Nov 18 01:19:29 smiley: can you pastebin the command you type as well as the output? Nov 18 01:19:32 justaguy: Oh. Wait, are the Pixi's losing their contacts? Nov 18 01:19:49 (shudder) .. think I'm gunna back up the kid's pixi palmdatabase. :) Nov 18 01:20:34 rposa: i thought you were talking about you kids pixi Nov 18 01:20:51 but i guess youre talking about a pre Nov 18 01:20:56 No, my Pre, unfortunately. I had to replace it .. but I DID have a backup of the PalmDatabase.db3 Nov 18 01:21:06 The "backup" that Palm does .. didn't.. Nov 18 01:21:18 rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/m74220334 Nov 18 01:21:38 * oil really hopes they don't make a device with a wider screen Nov 18 01:21:43 smiley: ok, good - that's correct. Nov 18 01:22:20 rposa: how did you pull the db3 file? Nov 18 01:22:22 smiley: next: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/getConfigs '{}' Nov 18 01:22:41 justaguy: Copied it to the USB partition and then pulled it off via USB Nov 18 01:23:06 you could get to where you can use putty then use scp Nov 18 01:23:46 I'm going to work on something like that, but right now (and more pressing) would be importing the contacts again.. Nov 18 01:24:32 might aswell do it now arnt they in the db3 file? Nov 18 01:25:55 justaguy: Well, yes. But there have been people who have said "Don't just copy in the DB3 file" ... Nov 18 01:26:04 Probably because of schema changes? Nov 18 01:26:06 Unsure.. Nov 18 01:26:16 I think what I'm going to do is this: Nov 18 01:26:29 been a while since i read about it Nov 18 01:26:57 copying db3 file will fail - you should dump data and reload into possible-changed schema on new device Nov 18 01:26:58 Backup existing file. Copy old file in. Backup the phone. Reboot. Copy new file in. Partial erase, reboot, restore. Nov 18 01:27:25 do you have any contacts in the new one? Nov 18 01:27:31 Nope Nov 18 01:27:43 RWhitby (hello, btw!) Is there a command for dumping that stuff out, then importing back in? Nov 18 01:27:53 rposa: sqlite3 Nov 18 01:27:54 get a backup of one with a contact in it too Nov 18 01:28:12 rwhitby :) Nov 18 01:28:15 rposa: standard linux app - plenty of info on the web about it. Nov 18 01:28:33 I've spent a little time copying tables between db3's without much success Nov 18 01:28:45 Both times I've ended up copying the whole old db3 over and using that Nov 18 01:28:56 There can be some glitches, but it's worked for the most part Nov 18 01:29:33 well, ok then. I think I'm going to do that, then document how, and put it on the wiki. Is that a good thing? Nov 18 01:29:36 can you copy them over and do a backup then replace with the prior? Nov 18 01:29:57 rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/m1b1c7f9b Nov 18 01:30:27 Problem is, if you copy the texts over from the Foldentry table, there's other tables tied in such as a table that holds the preview of the texts, so the texts might be there but you don't see them in the sms app, etc Nov 18 01:30:52 smiley: ok, that says that ipkgservice is installed and running. Nov 18 01:30:53 someone would either need to figure out exactly what stuff to copy, or get enough copied and then trigger some sort of database rebuild. Nov 18 01:31:02 not THAT concerned ... about the SMS part yet .. Nov 18 01:31:09 smiley: now, what happens when you run preware right now? Nov 18 01:31:10 but I might try to figure that out, as well. We'll see... Nov 18 01:33:31 let me try...sorry my GF is lost and having me google map her remotely Nov 18 01:33:57 How would you do that? Nov 18 01:35:56 rwhitby: Holy cow, it started downloading the feeds!!! Nov 18 01:36:17 Preware is working...!! Nov 18 01:36:46 smiley: ok, reboot, wait for the signal bars to appear, and try again without doing any of that command line stuff. Nov 18 01:39:56 rwhitby: rebooting Nov 18 01:42:06 Are you freaking kidding me ? Nov 18 01:42:14 Why in the hell ... are they padding the timestamps Nov 18 01:42:18 with 0000 Nov 18 01:42:29 My parents went from preware 9.2 -> 9.9 and then it wouldnt work because the ipkgservice also needed to be updated. Nov 18 01:42:33 rwhitby: well, after rebooting it doesn't work, says PMS is not running. Nov 18 01:43:01 would be nice if it installed the ipkgservice first then preware or both at the same time Nov 18 01:43:31 My Girlfriend apparently commited me to dinner somewhere so I have to go...I'll copy what you ahd me do here to get it working, I'll sign on again to see who's on...thanks for all your help Nov 18 01:44:07 smiley: try the luna-send status command, and then try again Nov 18 01:44:27 what issue is he having? Nov 18 01:48:23 what version of Preware should I put on my device ? Nov 18 01:48:37 rposa: 0.9.9 Nov 18 01:48:39 rwhitby: it simply said service response Handling: 2, "{returnValue":true Nov 18 01:48:50 rposa: but 0.9.5 installer can upgrade to that no problem Nov 18 01:48:53 smiley: now try Preware app Nov 18 01:49:04 rwhitby: and now Preware works again Nov 18 01:49:20 zsoc: if your video recorder was done i could be recording my the cat battle going on on my bed rightnow Nov 18 01:49:56 PuffTheMagic, and if you agreed to do the service framework it would be done already :P Nov 18 01:49:58 smiley: ok, so it's a java service startup problem. Nov 18 01:50:02 * rposa wonders why his main computer cannot see the Pre almost ever, but his laptop .... never any problems.. Nov 18 01:50:22 smiley: ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Nov 18 01:50:37 zsoc: i said i would, i just dint say whe ;) Nov 18 01:50:46 zsoc: im addicted to wIRC at the moment Nov 18 01:50:56 PuffTheMagic, well wirc is pretty cool :P Nov 18 01:51:09 PuffTheMagic, you're still going to help converting to native c service :P Nov 18 01:51:41 yeah i will Nov 18 01:52:09 rwhitby: if you have other things you need for me to do: you can email me, or I'll stop by and see what you type here, but for now, I have to go make the GF happy. Email = my name @ gmail.com Nov 18 01:52:15 my name is markjsmiley Nov 18 01:52:20 Sorry, have to go Nov 18 01:52:25 Thanks for all your help Nov 18 01:54:47 smiley: thanks Nov 18 01:58:58 PuffTheMagic: was there any thing else you wanted me to try out on the pixi? Nov 18 01:59:13 justaguy: no that was enough thanks Nov 18 02:02:38 justaguy: you'll probably want to kill the process, delete the file you downloaded with wget, and install the ipkg from the alpha test feed so that it updates properly when 0.0.5 is released. Nov 18 02:03:13 rwhitby: will do, im still unable to ssh to the pixi Nov 18 02:05:18 hi I installed mvapp Nov 18 02:05:28 I moved pandora over...now I like to move it back Nov 18 02:05:33 how do I do this Nov 18 02:06:03 trim-pre: same program Nov 18 02:06:18 rod can you provide the command? Nov 18 02:06:30 I don't want to move ALL files...just the pandora Nov 18 02:07:30 ?? Nov 18 02:10:39 Rod in the house??? Nov 18 02:11:50 I LOVE my pizi Nov 18 02:11:52 *pixi Nov 18 02:13:16 ok i dont want to be mean in the chat.. but i really dont like this palm cast Nov 18 02:13:26 sorry had to rent Nov 18 02:14:02 ok mvapp com.palm.pandora Nov 18 02:14:06 that did the trick Nov 18 02:14:11 brb, restarting Nov 18 02:14:16 for the record, there is only one minor flaw in my replacement Pre... Nov 18 02:14:25 The battery door doesn't close ... cleanly. Nov 18 02:14:31 It sticks out < 1 mm Nov 18 02:14:47 but I'm not anal about it .. IDC to be honest, it's not causing me any problems.. Nov 18 02:14:59 no, probably 1mm Nov 18 02:15:19 but the slider is nice, screen is nice.. Nov 18 02:15:20 rposa: is that the stock back? Nov 18 02:15:43 i have a touchstone back Nov 18 02:15:52 I'm sorry Nov 18 02:15:55 I meant the USB door Nov 18 02:15:59 justaguy: Touchstone. The usb door .. doesn't push in all the way .. Nov 18 02:16:02 ah Nov 18 02:16:16 I'd imagine, since this is a refurb, Nov 18 02:16:27 that the previous owner, ripped off the door, got the rubber thingy stuck inside Nov 18 02:16:32 and when they put on a new door........ Nov 18 02:16:39 didn't get the rubber thingy out.. Nov 18 02:16:48 i'm not worried .. I use the sprint "slider" case.. Nov 18 02:16:54 the one with the built in slide.. Nov 18 02:22:14 is there anyone who applied the metadoctor_ Nov 18 02:22:29 Err ... Ok .. I just installed Preware with the Quick Installer.. Nov 18 02:22:34 It ... didn't ... work. Nov 18 02:22:56 rposa: try a reboo Nov 18 02:22:57 t Nov 18 02:23:09 rwhitby: Yeah, doing that now. Nov 18 02:23:44 It was weird, I selected Package Manager and Preware and it installed. I got an icon for both in the launcher. Preware ran .. but only would show installed applications. Everything else was greyed out. Nov 18 02:26:13 ok .. works now Nov 18 02:46:44 * rwhitby finishes doing plugs for Preware on the PalmCast ... Nov 18 02:51:16 how do i install novacomd in windows 7? Nov 18 02:53:01 * rwhitby bbl Nov 18 02:53:58 google Nov 18 02:58:09 bad Pre! send my text! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 18 03:00:03 2009