**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 18 03:00:03 2009
Nov 18 03:01:16 <jack1987_> why is watercooler always so empty
Nov 18 03:01:26 <jack1987_> was the log ever fixed by the way
Nov 18 03:02:39 <jack1987_> i guess this one is dead to
Nov 18 03:09:43 <zsoc> dead in what way?
Nov 18 03:10:28 <jack1987_> no one is speaking to poor o me
Nov 18 03:10:59 <gkatsev> zsoc: zombie appocalypse
Nov 18 03:11:10 <zsoc> what would you like to converse about?
Nov 18 03:11:18 <zsoc> gkatsev, always a good death
Nov 18 03:11:18 <gkatsev> i recommend carrying an ak47, a deagle, a katana and a commando knife
Nov 18 03:11:23 <jack1987_> nothing now sheesh
Nov 18 03:11:42 <zsoc> ha
Nov 18 03:11:53 <jack1987_> can i have a grenade gkatsev
Nov 18 03:13:04 <gkatsev> sure. but, ive just saying that the ak47, deagle, katana and a commando knife are like a minimum necessities for survival.
Nov 18 03:13:14 <gkatsev> just read zombie survival guide
Nov 18 03:13:22 <gkatsev> great read
Nov 18 03:13:33 <gkatsev> also, max brooks is mel brooks's son.
Nov 18 03:14:24 <acydlord_alt> zombie apocalypse would be more like undead than dead
Nov 18 03:16:16 <gkatsev_zhunter> kills everyone again to make sure no one rises from the dead
Nov 18 03:19:55 <acydlord_alt> remove the heads
Nov 18 03:21:36 <gkatsev_zhunter> remove the heads and burn them.
Nov 18 03:22:20 <gkatsev_zhunter> burn the bodies as well. they are toxic
Nov 18 03:22:43 <thatdude> oO
Nov 18 03:24:00 <zsoc> ~seen ajames
Nov 18 03:24:03 <infobot> ajames <n=andrew@216.160.189.238> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 48d 1h 11m 9s ago, saying: 'but not just eliminating them'.
Nov 18 03:24:27 <zsoc> ouch
Nov 18 03:30:41 <Abyssul> Hmm I cant seem to be able to remove bluetooth from the device menu
Nov 18 03:32:40 <Manifest> Hi, I currently have Preware installed on my Pre running 1.2.1. I would like to upgrade to 1.3.1, are there any precautions I should take since Preware is on my Pre?
Nov 18 03:33:44 <zsoc> Manifest, uninstall theme, remove patches (EPR), rinse
Nov 18 03:33:46 <sdodson> Manifest: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions describes the steps one should take
Nov 18 03:33:59 <zsoc> oh, right, wiki. forgot people actually update those sometimes :P
Nov 18 03:34:07 <Manifest> Haha, thanks guys.
Nov 18 03:35:55 <Manifest> Does anyone know if the MyTether app works on 1.3.1?
Nov 18 03:37:13 <Abyssul> Not as far as I know Manifest, the paid version works, but the free version does not
Nov 18 03:37:46 <Manifest> Abyssul: Any clue where I can get the paid version for free? How much is it? If it's a reasonable price I'll buy it, but if it's more than like $10.00 then I'm not going to use it.
Nov 18 03:38:28 <Abyssul> Against IRC topic
Nov 18 03:38:48 <Manifest> Ah, thanks for the warning.
Nov 18 03:38:50 <LurkerXXX__> nice to come intoa channel with lots of developers and ask to steal...
Nov 18 03:39:23 <Manifest> It's also nice to be reasonable with prices, charging more than 10.00 for a simple app is outrageous.
Nov 18 03:39:31 <Abyssul> http://mytether.net/
Nov 18 03:39:31 <LurkerXXX__> then don't buy it
Nov 18 03:39:40 <LurkerXXX__> and don't steal it or use it
Nov 18 03:39:45 <zsoc> I agree with both the channel manifesto, and my personal dislike of the app
Nov 18 03:39:53 <gkatsev_zhunter> everyone: PuffTheMagic is working on freeTether!
Nov 18 03:39:54 <Abyssul> $15
Nov 18 03:40:21 <Abyssul> gkatsev_zhunter: Nice... :)
Nov 18 03:40:28 <Manifest> Abyssul: I know their site, but if the free version doesn't work on 1.3.1, then I'm up a river without a paddle.
Nov 18 03:40:41 <Abyssul> Then buy the paid
Nov 18 03:40:48 <Manifest> Abyssul: How much is it?
Nov 18 03:40:54 <Abyssul> $15
Nov 18 03:40:57 <Manifest> Ok.
Nov 18 03:40:59 <PuffTheMagic> why the hell would you waste the money on that
Nov 18 03:41:03 <PuffTheMagic> thats crazy
Nov 18 03:41:04 <Abyssul> Aonic doesn't support the free version as far as I know
Nov 18 03:41:07 <Manifest> PuffTheMagic: Not intending to it.
Nov 18 03:41:09 <gkatsev_zhunter> Abyssul: he raised the "suggested" donation?
Nov 18 03:41:15 <Abyssul> Yep
Nov 18 03:41:21 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Nov 18 03:41:26 <gkatsev_zhunter> really? wtf?
Nov 18 03:41:33 <Manifest> PuffTheMagic: I think 5 bucks, if that, would be more reasonable on that app, but 15 dollars is just unnecessary.
Nov 18 03:41:33 <Abyssul> I just went to the donate link and its $15 for "instructions"
Nov 18 03:41:34 <gkatsev_zhunter> i would never pay $15 for it...
Nov 18 03:41:49 <Manifest> To go off the conversation for a minute, how long does it take to download 1.3.1?
Nov 18 03:41:55 <PuffTheMagic> i think he is trying to squeeze in a few dollars before i obsolet his app
Nov 18 03:42:02 <PuffTheMagic> obsolete
Nov 18 03:42:07 <gkatsev_zhunter> Manifest: wifi, evdo or 1x?
Nov 18 03:42:07 <Abyssul> Wifi = 5 mins, EVDO = 10mins
Nov 18 03:42:13 <Manifest> gkatsev_zhunter: EVDO.
Nov 18 03:42:18 <Abyssul> 1x = 2 days
Nov 18 03:42:21 <gkatsev_zhunter> 1xRTT=36 hours
Nov 18 03:42:27 <Manifest> Abyssul: I'll switch to WiFi then :)
Nov 18 03:42:29 <gkatsev_zhunter> according to precentral
Nov 18 03:42:30 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, do it faster please.
Nov 18 03:42:35 <PuffTheMagic> wtf are you talking about?
Nov 18 03:42:35 <Abyssul> Wifi is nearly always faster
Nov 18 03:42:52 <gkatsev_zhunter> Manifest: especially if you enable the unthrottle download manager
Nov 18 03:42:57 <PuffTheMagic> what is this wifi/evdo/1x crap?
Nov 18 03:43:00 <Abyssul> aye^
Nov 18 03:43:00 <Manifest> gkatsev_zhunter: The what?
Nov 18 03:43:12 <Manifest> PuffTheMagic: Talking about how long it takes to download 1.3.1 on Evdo, WiFi, and 1x
Nov 18 03:43:21 <gkatsev_zhunter> Manifest: there's a patch.
Nov 18 03:43:26 <PuffTheMagic> oh
Nov 18 03:43:26 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Nov 18 03:43:37 <Abyssul> oh my... lol
Nov 18 03:44:10 <Abyssul> I can't remove bluetooth and airplane mode from the device menu. It keeps glitching. Anyone wanna lend a hand?
Nov 18 03:44:28 <Manifest> Abyssul: Would help if I knew how to, sorry :(
Nov 18 03:44:53 <Abyssul> You'd think deleting the entry in the html file would hide it
Nov 18 03:46:30 <Abyssul> Stupid code
Nov 18 03:46:34 <Abyssul> i give up lol
Nov 18 03:46:38 <gkatsev_zhunter> lol
Nov 18 03:47:00 <Manifest> Wow, WiFi DOES make the download for 1.3.1 go significantly faster...3/4 of the way done.
Nov 18 03:47:26 <Abyssul> common sense
Nov 18 03:47:37 <Manifest> Abyssul: I actually forgot about WiFi on the pre. Hahaha.
Nov 18 03:47:43 <gkatsev_zhunter> Manifest: of course wifi is faster.
Nov 18 03:47:45 <gkatsev_zhunter> Manifest: haha
Nov 18 03:47:45 <Abyssul> I use it all the time
Nov 18 03:47:49 * thatdude decides to close his session.... wow
Nov 18 03:48:11 <Manifest> Abyssul: I heard it drains the battery faster, actually, probably why I don't use it a lot.
Nov 18 03:48:19 <Abyssul> It consumes less battery...
Nov 18 03:48:24 <Abyssul> Proven
Nov 18 03:48:47 <gkatsev_zhunter> Manifest: it uses less as it turns the wifi off when you arent using it
Nov 18 03:48:49 <Manifest> Abyssul: Wow, I'll definitely start using it then, that was the first I've heard of that. What about leaving it on while not in range of any networks?
Nov 18 03:49:19 <Abyssul> I usually turn it off if I dont plan on using Wifi in the next hour
Nov 18 03:49:31 <gkatsev_zhunter> Manifest: leaving it when not connected will drain battery more because it will be searching for networks
Nov 18 03:49:33 <Abyssul> So it doesn't search for a network when I unlock my phone
Nov 18 03:49:38 <Manifest> gkatsev_zhunter: Ok thanks.
Nov 18 03:49:50 <Abyssul> It only searches for networks when you unlock the phone
Nov 18 03:50:05 <Manifest> Oh, so if your phone is off it should be fine then, correct?
Nov 18 03:50:07 <gkatsev_zhunter> Abyssul: does it?
Nov 18 03:50:27 <Abyssul> I'm pretty sure. The wifi icon is off when it's locked
Nov 18 03:50:34 <Manifest> I'm a student myself, and I keep my phone in my pocket while in classes...unfortunately, our school has some crappy reception, and my battery dies VERY quickly trying to search for a signal.
Nov 18 03:50:37 <Abyssul> and begins searching and activated once you unlock it
Nov 18 03:50:52 <Manifest> Ah.
Nov 18 03:51:02 <Abyssul> Manifest, try turning off data connection to save battery if you can't get a signal
Nov 18 03:51:18 <Abyssul> You may not have internet, but thats just circumstances.
Nov 18 03:51:19 <Manifest> Abyssul: I know, I just turn it on 'airplane mode' while I'm in class.
Nov 18 03:51:35 <Abyssul> well at least if you turn off data connection you still can call and get texts
Nov 18 03:51:49 <Abyssul> and uses like 0 battery
Nov 18 03:52:46 <Manifest> Abyssul: Oh, I didn't know that. Where do you turn that off at?
Nov 18 03:52:57 <gkatsev_zhunter> airplane mode!
Nov 18 03:53:09 <Abyssul> Well without a patch, you can go to the phone app preferences
Nov 18 03:53:30 <Abyssul> but there is a patch that creates a list entry in the device menu to change the setting
Nov 18 03:53:30 <gkatsev_zhunter> turn the data off.
Nov 18 03:54:20 <Abyssul> gkatsev_zhunter: learn something new? :)
Nov 18 03:54:37 <gkatsev_zhunter> Abyssul: no. i knew that
Nov 18 03:55:07 <Abyssul> About wifi not searching for networks while idle?
Nov 18 03:55:14 <Manifest> Abyssul: I saw that in preware, I'll have to install it when I'm finished with the upgrade to 1.3.1 tomorrow.
Nov 18 03:55:15 <gkatsev_zhunter> Abyssul: ah, yeah.
Nov 18 03:56:44 <zsoc> turning data off doesn't do much to save battery...
Nov 18 03:57:15 <LurkerXXX__> turning data off saves a LOT of battery
Nov 18 03:57:22 <Manifest> So once I'm running 1.3.1, what do I do? Will preware still work and stuff?
Nov 18 03:57:41 <gkatsev_zhunter> Manifest: yes. it will only show you stuff that work in 1.3.1
Nov 18 03:58:24 <markstagg> how can i make sure my pre is conected right in ubuntu...
Nov 18 03:58:29 <Abyssul> To give an example, I lost 65% of my battery in... 2 hours because my Pre was searching for a internet signal. After that, I turn data off and got 22% out of 5 hours of searching signal.
Nov 18 03:58:35 <Manifest> markstagg: It should appear on your desktop as a drive.
Nov 18 03:58:45 <Abyssul> Data is a big deal lol
Nov 18 03:58:50 <markstagg> manifest, and if it does not
Nov 18 03:58:52 <Manifest> gkatsev_zhunter: alright, awesome. What about WOQI? Will I be able to install stuff through the menu like before? Where you just checkmark LED for example, and have it installed?
Nov 18 03:58:54 * zsoc ponders
Nov 18 03:59:11 <Manifest> markstagg: Than it's probably not connected. Try switching USB ports and make SURE you select "USB Drive" when you plug in your pre to your computer.
Nov 18 03:59:26 <gkatsev_zhunter> Manifest: i think WQI was updated to support 1.3.1, though, not sure.
Nov 18 03:59:44 <markstagg> yes i did the volume up trick and the usb sign apears on my pre but my computer does not recornise
Nov 18 03:59:45 <Manifest> gkatsev_zhunter: Does it do it automatically? Or do I have to download a new version?
Nov 18 04:00:06 <Manifest> markstagg: Volume up trick?
Nov 18 04:00:30 <markstagg> yes, power up buton and volume up buton similair
Nov 18 04:00:42 <Manifest> markstagg: Sorry, not sure what you're talking about...listen...
Nov 18 04:00:46 <Abyssul> Hold volume up as you insert the usb cord
Nov 18 04:00:55 <Abyssul> you also have to take out the battery
Nov 18 04:00:56 <markstagg> Abyssul: dit that
Nov 18 04:01:09 <Manifest> markstagg: You should plug the USB end of the cable into your computer, then you should plug in the other end to your Pre. After that, your Pre should recognize that its been plugged in. Then select "USB Drive" and you should be fine.
Nov 18 04:01:34 <Manifest> markstagg: If that doesn't work, I can't help you. I'm running Jaunty myself, and it works fine when I plug it in. It's recognized and all.
Nov 18 04:01:58 <gkatsev_zhunter> Manifest: you might want to make sure that there isnt a new version to dl.
Nov 18 04:02:06 <Manifest> gkatsev_zhunter: Where would I check?
Nov 18 04:02:22 <zsoc> Oh, if markstagg is running ubuntu 9.10, he'll need a different package
Nov 18 04:02:39 <gkatsev_zhunter> Manifest: the thread on precentral
Nov 18 04:02:47 <zsoc> markstagg, i'm assuming you're trying to connect to metadoctor?
Nov 18 04:02:56 <Manifest> Ewwww 9.10.
Nov 18 04:03:08 <zsoc> Manifest, oh stop :P
Nov 18 04:03:51 <markstagg> zsoc yes
Nov 18 04:03:51 <gkatsev_zhunter> Manifest: whats wrong with karmic?
Nov 18 04:04:00 <Manifest> Seriously! I updated to Karmic a week after it came out...my gfx card spat on it, and I got screwed! Had to fresh install Jaunty...had a backup of everything.
Nov 18 04:04:04 <markstagg> zsoc, what kind of package_
Nov 18 04:04:09 <zsoc> gkatsev_zhunter, default novacom package doesn't install
Nov 18 04:04:15 <zsoc> markstagg, hold on, i'll get you the commands in a second
Nov 18 04:04:18 <gkatsev_zhunter> ah
Nov 18 04:04:25 <markstagg> great thanks zsoc
Nov 18 04:04:29 <Manifest> Karmic was still extremely buggy when I downloaded it, I'm going to wait for lynx to come out and THEN I'll consider upgrading again.
Nov 18 04:04:55 <zsoc> markstagg, wget http://www.codemonkies.net/linux/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/palm-novacom_0.3-svn177284-hud9_debian_i3861.deb
Nov 18 04:05:07 <rwhitby> FYI: Virtual Keyboard 1.3.1 is now available in the Patches/Mojo section of Preware
Nov 18 04:05:08 <zsoc> markstagg, dpkg -i palm-novacom_0.3-svn177284-hud9_debian_i3861.deb
Nov 18 04:05:14 <Manifest> I mean, I spent the whole day downloading & upgrading, and then when I finally boot up, compiz caused a hiccup where I couldn't move anything or my computer would lock up. So obviously, I couldn't open terminal to terminate it, so I basically got screwed
Nov 18 04:05:20 <gkatsev_zhunter> rwhitby: cool!
Nov 18 04:05:30 <Manifest> rwhitby: Excellent :)
Nov 18 04:05:48 <furball> Very cool
Nov 18 04:06:02 <zsoc> Manifest, you could just boot up in recovery mode and change your default window manager to metacity...
Nov 18 04:06:38 <Manifest> zsoc: Ehh, I REALLY liked compiz, and a lot of things I use on Jaunty require compiz, so I couldn't use Karmic without it. Hopefully when I download it in april it should be fine.
Nov 18 04:06:59 <Manifest> I learned never to install a new version of Ubuntu the week after it comes out, because it's still extremely buggy.
Nov 18 04:07:09 <zsoc> Manifest, well that would allow you to boot up, to fix compiz :P and honestly the problem was probably video card driver related
Nov 18 04:07:20 <Manifest> Yeah, it was.
Nov 18 04:07:35 <Manifest> My computer is very cheap, I'm getting a MacBook Pro 17" next month
Nov 18 04:07:52 <Manifest> Well, it's late in the eastern coast, gonna get some sleep while my pre is upgrading. Thanks for the help, guys :).
Nov 18 04:08:07 <zsoc> peace
Nov 18 04:08:09 <gkatsev_zhunter> bleh, apple. i like the design and the OS is not bad. but soooo expensive...
Nov 18 04:08:26 * zsoc mimics OSX with compiz and avant-window-navigator :P
Nov 18 04:09:06 <tom_> any clues why availble patches not showing up on preware... on my phone
Nov 18 04:09:33 <furball> Did you reload the patch "feed"?
Nov 18 04:09:44 <tom_> yea
Nov 18 04:10:26 <furball> Did the same for me, but I cant rememebr what got them to start listing gain
Nov 18 04:10:48 <tom_> had so many problems after updating to1.3.1
Nov 18 04:11:15 <furball> you do have "show patches" turned on in preferences?
Nov 18 04:11:20 <tom_> had to reset phone
Nov 18 04:11:26 <tom_> yes
Nov 18 04:11:51 <tom_> ran web os doctor
Nov 18 04:11:51 <furball> How much time does it take to make an app?
Nov 18 04:12:16 <tom_> not long
Nov 18 04:12:23 <hckyplayer024> PuffTheMagic I heard you were working on freetether? I was just wondering how that was working out
Nov 18 04:12:44 <furball> hundreds of hours, or tens of hours?
Nov 18 04:13:53 <PuffTheMagic> hckyplayer024: well its not complicated, i have a workaround for the ip_forward thing that palm cant get around and does not require killing any processes, i just need to peel my self way from working on wIRC to get a release of freeTether out
Nov 18 04:14:21 <hckyplayer024> I see, well your hard work is greatly appreciated, you guys are the best
Nov 18 04:14:49 <hckyplayer024> and if you ever need anyone to beta/alpha test for you I'd be more than happy to be of any help I can
Nov 18 04:14:50 <rwhitby> gkatsev_zhunter, Manifest, furball: the kudos go to egaudet
Nov 18 04:15:07 <gkatsev_zhunter> rwhitby: yeah, definitely.
Nov 18 04:15:12 <gkatsev_zhunter> egaudet: THANKS!
Nov 18 04:15:35 <Abyssul> I can't believe we don't have a longer vibrate option
Nov 18 04:15:46 <Abyssul> still stuck with the weak short default one
Nov 18 04:16:57 <zsoc> No dont' appreciate Puff's work. Seriously, he came up with this genius idea and refuses to implement it because he's stuck on his new toy :P
Nov 18 04:17:38 <Abyssul> Puff has a pixi? :p
Nov 18 04:21:58 <hckyplayer024> abyssul: I think he was referring to wIRC
Nov 18 04:22:34 <Abyssul> I figured, I was just creating convo
Nov 18 04:23:06 <hckyplayer024> lol
Nov 18 04:23:28 <HattCzech> so what happed to the virtual keyboard for it to become obsolete?
Nov 18 04:23:50 <Abyssul> VK is operational again
Nov 18 04:24:16 <HattCzech> ahhh, is it in one of the feeds?
Nov 18 04:24:26 <Abyssul> It was updated a hour or two ago
Nov 18 04:24:27 <MiX-MaN> orry?
Nov 18 04:24:32 <MiX-MaN> sweet
Nov 18 04:24:33 <sgalla04_> can anyone help with preware 0.9.9?
Nov 18 04:24:37 <MiX-MaN> 1.3.1 support?
Nov 18 04:24:41 <Abyssul> Yes
Nov 18 04:24:45 <MiX-MaN> =D
Nov 18 04:25:03 <rwhitby> HattCzech: Patches/Mojo - don't you follow @webosinternals on twitter to get the latest news?
Nov 18 04:25:15 <sgalla04_> yeah does not work after web os update
Nov 18 04:25:22 <rwhitby> sgalla04_: what doesn't work
Nov 18 04:25:41 <HattCzech> I've been out of it for a bit, trying to get back in the groove
Nov 18 04:25:53 <sgalla04_> it says I need the package manager service running
Nov 18 04:25:54 <HattCzech> haven't been watching twitter much
Nov 18 04:26:24 <sgalla04_> but I kno it is installed and I have re installed it with a reinstall of preware too
Nov 18 04:26:27 <Abyssul> twitter sucks :p
Nov 18 04:27:12 <gkatsev_zhunter> twitter is awesome
Nov 18 04:27:18 <sgalla04_> prw ware does not run after web os update
Nov 18 04:27:21 * gkatsev_zhunter slays Abyssul 
Nov 18 04:27:25 <HattCzech> luna restart, be back soon
Nov 18 04:27:55 <MiX-MaN> !twitter -control follow webosinternals
Nov 18 04:27:56 <MiX-MaN> oops
Nov 18 04:27:58 <MiX-MaN> wrong chan :D
Nov 18 04:28:09 <Abyssul> Im not going to get into how twitter will crumble :p
Nov 18 04:28:22 <sgalla04_> I would prefer not to have to webos doctor
Nov 18 04:28:26 <gkatsev_zhunter> Abyssul: you cant talk. you are dead
Nov 18 04:28:40 <Abyssul> Trying to find a way to have tweets from webos-internals be sent as a email. Kind've like a feed
Nov 18 04:29:07 <gkatsev_zhunter> Abyssul: twitter has rss feeds for users
Nov 18 04:29:08 <hckyplayer024> by the way rwhitby the speed improvement in the new preware is awesome
Nov 18 04:29:44 <sgalla04_> I wish I knew. It won't load!
Nov 18 04:29:57 <hckyplayer024> close and open again
Nov 18 04:30:26 <MiX-MaN> Abyssul: i could prob whip up something in tcl... not tonight though
Nov 18 04:30:26 <AnOutsider> rwhitby: just added the "Category" field to the Source JSON for feeds
Nov 18 04:30:41 <MiX-MaN> i think twitter has an option like that though
Nov 18 04:30:48 <MiX-MaN> i just SMS anything i deem important
Nov 18 04:31:16 <MiX-MaN> which is'nt much now'a'days... about to kick cnnbrk to the curb
Nov 18 04:31:32 <sgalla04_> I have restarted and preware is looking for the package manager service.  But I kno it is there.
Nov 18 04:31:37 <rwhitby> hckyplayer024: kudos to oil for the speed improvement
Nov 18 04:31:43 <MiX-MaN> def :)
Nov 18 04:31:56 <hckyplayer024> thanks oil!
Nov 18 04:32:06 <oil> uh?
Nov 18 04:32:10 <MiX-MaN> heh
Nov 18 04:32:19 * oil just woke up
Nov 18 04:32:20 <hckyplayer024> speed improvements in preware
Nov 18 04:32:22 <gkatsev_zhunter> Abyssul: http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/64349812.rss and http://www.feedmyinbox.com/
Nov 18 04:32:28 <oil> oh
Nov 18 04:32:33 <rwhitby> sgalla04_: can you get a command line?
Nov 18 04:33:16 <sgalla04_> through terminal?
Nov 18 04:33:35 <MiX-MaN> oh in that case.. oil: thanks for your part in wirc =D
Nov 18 04:35:24 <sgalla04_> I have terminal open and ready for a command
Nov 18 04:36:46 <rwhitby> sgalla04_: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/status '{}'
Nov 18 04:36:51 <rwhitby> sgalla04_: then try Preware again
Nov 18 04:40:35 <markstagg> rwhitby: Thank u verry much for
Nov 18 04:40:43 <epv> can you even type {} in terminal?
Nov 18 04:41:00 <markstagg> rwhitby: Thank u verry much for the Metadoctor
Nov 18 04:41:26 <markstagg> is there any way i could delete all contacts at once...
Nov 18 04:42:01 <sgalla04_> I can't type the brackets
Nov 18 04:43:07 <rwhitby> sgalla04_: try without the brackets then, but it may not work
Nov 18 04:44:47 <sgalla04_> I got:      luna-send uri message
Nov 18 04:45:38 <atlanta> Hey all
Nov 18 04:45:56 <atlanta> Anybody had the problem with the downloadmanager not running?
Nov 18 04:46:20 <atlanta> Like when I'm in the app catalog and click to download it cancels and go to catalog unavailable
Nov 18 04:54:22 * rwhitby creates http://install.preware.org/ domain
Nov 18 04:56:31 <zsoc> rwhitby, what? 'get.' isn't good enough? or you want to do in-browser plugin installation?
Nov 18 04:58:20 <AnOutsider> it redirects to instructions
Nov 18 04:59:20 <zsoc> rwhitby, pm :) if you get a sec
Nov 18 04:59:48 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: and is easier to type in forum posts where they can't get fileCoaster to work ;-)
Nov 18 05:03:52 <oil> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=3244
Nov 18 05:06:36 <amdx> Hello
Nov 18 05:07:06 <oc80z> yup
Nov 18 05:07:11 <amdx> Has anyone here experienced decline in the pre's speed after they updated it?
Nov 18 05:07:21 <oc80z> opposite.
Nov 18 05:07:30 <zsoc> Someone walk me through using dbus-launch to scan output of .. stuff going on in my phone?
Nov 18 05:07:45 <oc80z> whats the problem amdx zsoc
Nov 18 05:07:59 <zsoc> .... what
Nov 18 05:08:11 <amdx> My phone got extremely slow after I updated it to 1.3
Nov 18 05:08:22 <amdx> How can I fix that?
Nov 18 05:08:32 <rwhitby> zsoc: dbus-util --capture org.foo.service
Nov 18 05:08:55 <oc80z> amdx what type of modifications have you done , if any?
Nov 18 05:09:15 <amdx> A bunch of patches that's all
Nov 18 05:09:19 <zsoc> rwhitby, does it only work on services?
Nov 18 05:09:25 <rwhitby> heh - "that's all" :-)
Nov 18 05:09:29 <oc80z> you removed them before you installed?
Nov 18 05:09:35 <oc80z> installed/updated?
Nov 18 05:09:38 <zsoc> rwhitby, i mean i can use it on any running utility?
Nov 18 05:09:38 <amdx> Yeah
Nov 18 05:09:48 <amdx> I did the emergency patch thing
Nov 18 05:09:51 <rwhitby> zsoc: on any service I think
Nov 18 05:09:54 <oc80z> where there any enabled in webosquickinstall.jar that you forgot to disable ?
Nov 18 05:10:02 <amdx> Then I restarted luna and updated
Nov 18 05:10:24 <oc80z> well can you get access via SSH/Nova and debug it real quick?
Nov 18 05:10:42 <oc80z> eg, check memory, swap, disk, cpu
Nov 18 05:10:46 <amdx> How can I do that?
Nov 18 05:10:52 <oc80z> see if anything is floored or thrashing
Nov 18 05:11:04 <oc80z> erra
Nov 18 05:11:28 <amdx> I am not really a code person I just know how to follow directions :D
Nov 18 05:11:44 <zsoc> rwhitby, is there any way of capturing stdout/err being displayed in a different tty but from the same user? like a trailing.. log.. or something.. or cloned tty
Nov 18 05:11:48 <oc80z> hmm
Nov 18 05:11:57 <preston> is this the right channel to ask about the workings of the email app?
Nov 18 05:12:03 <oc80z> well have you enabled developer mode
Nov 18 05:12:10 <oc80z> yeah shoot preston
Nov 18 05:12:22 <amdx> Yes
Nov 18 05:12:37 <rwhitby> zsoc: 2>stderr.log 1>stdout.log
Nov 18 05:12:47 <preston> is there a way to force it to accept security certificates it believes are invalid?
Nov 18 05:13:03 <oc80z> do you have novaterm set up?
Nov 18 05:13:09 <PuffTheMagic> &> both
Nov 18 05:13:28 <amdx> Is that the termanal
Nov 18 05:13:42 <amdx> *terminal
Nov 18 05:14:07 <oc80z> Sure yeah
Nov 18 05:14:15 <oc80z> erll
Nov 18 05:14:16 <oc80z> no
Nov 18 05:14:24 <zsoc> rwhitby, so if nothing appears in those log files after i call a command line utility.. then the call isn't getting there? is that a pretty good conclusion?
Nov 18 05:14:29 <amdx> ...?
Nov 18 05:14:34 <oc80z> amdx: ill throw you a website , let me know if this looks familiar , look onthe right, under Procedure: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux
Nov 18 05:14:52 <rwhitby> zsoc: depends if it's using dbus and you got the service id correct
Nov 18 05:14:58 <zsoc> i see now
Nov 18 05:15:21 <zsoc> rwhitby, and for 2> and 1> to do anything, it needs to be appended to the actual command, correct?
Nov 18 05:15:44 <rwhitby> zsoc: yep
Nov 18 05:15:46 <oc80z> wait wait
Nov 18 05:15:50 <oc80z> amdx: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/195043-setting-up-novacom-windows-7-easier-method.html
Nov 18 05:15:56 <rwhitby> zsoc: or just leave them off and watch it go by
Nov 18 05:16:11 <oc80z> i am trying to get you on the right path
Nov 18 05:16:15 <zsoc> rwhitby, right, unless that command is being called from a service, in which case you aren't watching anything ;)
Nov 18 05:16:24 <oc80z> infobot: root pre
Nov 18 05:16:25 * infobot uses a keylogger to pwnz all pre 's boxen.
Nov 18 05:16:25 <oc80z> :P
Nov 18 05:16:42 <oc80z> boot access is root access
Nov 18 05:16:52 <amdx> I c
Nov 18 05:17:09 <oc80z> arg, ill find the walk through
Nov 18 05:17:26 <zsoc> What's the best way to verify a service is running?
Nov 18 05:17:37 <PuffTheMagic> use it
Nov 18 05:17:38 <oc80z> which service
Nov 18 05:17:44 <zsoc> mine :P
Nov 18 05:17:46 <oc80z> heh thats true.
Nov 18 05:17:58 <preston> oc80z, can I force email app to accept invalid certificates?
Nov 18 05:17:59 <zsoc> Right of course. Ok, it's definitely running :P
Nov 18 05:18:04 <zsoc> Thanks puff, that actually helped.
Nov 18 05:18:16 <oc80z> preston i was trying to figure that out a month ago
Nov 18 05:18:31 <PuffTheMagic> u asked for the best
Nov 18 05:18:43 <oc80z> zsoc look up netstat and ps
Nov 18 05:18:46 <oc80z> heh
Nov 18 05:18:48 <zsoc> no no, i wasn't being sarcastic :p
Nov 18 05:18:59 <preston> oc80z, I take it you didn't have any success?
Nov 18 05:19:06 <zsoc> ps isn't showing the service.. and this doesn't involve.. er.. any net application
Nov 18 05:19:24 <oc80z> preston it fixed itself :/
Nov 18 05:19:33 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: with java services there is no easy way
Nov 18 05:19:40 <PuffTheMagic> they suck
Nov 18 05:19:47 <oc80z> http://tkgeisel.com/stuff/novaterm-1.zip
Nov 18 05:20:00 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, well i have a call in my app that tells me if the service _isn't_ running. i just now realized it wasn't coming up, so clearly it's running :P
Nov 18 05:20:15 <oc80z> amdx just died.
Nov 18 05:20:17 <oc80z> :/
Nov 18 05:20:45 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: or your call is fail
Nov 18 05:20:48 <preston> oc80z, I didn't have a problem, but now since 1.3.1 it refuses all self-signed certificates.
Nov 18 05:21:10 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, well it tells me it's not running if it's not running :P already got that much, heh
Nov 18 05:21:13 <oc80z> :-O
Nov 18 05:21:16 <oc80z> what the shit
Nov 18 05:21:35 <oc80z> well what about /etc/ssl/certs
Nov 18 05:21:50 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: it will also say that ifthere is a typeo
Nov 18 05:22:31 <zsoc> heh
Nov 18 05:22:57 <oc80z> can you append your self signed pubic a
Nov 18 05:22:59 <oc80z> ca*
Nov 18 05:24:46 <preston> I will do it later tonight. I'm on wirc and nowhere near my pc
Nov 18 05:24:50 <rwhitby> zsoc: for java services, call the status method.  if your java service doesn't have a status method, add one.
Nov 18 05:25:43 <oc80z> oh
Nov 18 05:25:49 <PuffTheMagic> a getVersion method is a little more usefull though
Nov 18 05:25:51 <oc80z> it should work
Nov 18 05:26:15 <zsoc> rwhitby, i got a response with dbus-util.. but the call looks fine. i'm going to have to add logging on the end of the command it's executing
Nov 18 05:28:42 <zsoc> oh god. should i assume 'string' matching is case sensitive in java and javascript?
Nov 18 05:33:22 <oc80z> preware open?
Nov 18 05:33:35 <oc80z> izon the git n/
Nov 18 05:35:07 <oc80z> rw, your just hammering away on the git man
Nov 18 06:06:57 <fantasynwa> Hi.  I have a couple of patches (Messaging/Timestampes-Fancy and Browser Multi-Mod) that show as not installed, but when I try to install them it doesn't succeed and the log says "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!"... it looks like the patch actually IS installed, I see timestamps in messaging... for the sake of being able to remove patches for the next webOS OTA update though, I'd like to get it showin
Nov 18 06:46:01 <Eguy> zsoc: ping
Nov 18 06:46:09 <zsoc> egaudet, hm?
Nov 18 06:46:13 <zsoc> OH GOD I DID IT
Nov 18 06:46:19 <zsoc> Eguy, yes :P
Nov 18 06:46:42 <Eguy> lol
Nov 18 06:46:48 <Eguy> was that you today?
Nov 18 06:47:30 <zsoc> who?
Nov 18 06:47:38 <Eguy> in the palmcast
Nov 18 06:47:48 <zsoc> no derek did the palm case, and that other weird guy with the hat
Nov 18 06:48:00 <Eguy> no in the chat
Nov 18 06:51:19 <zsoc> no i never chat, it always scrolls by so fast. i just watch for rod telling everyone how great preware is
Nov 18 06:51:33 <Eguy> hahahah
Nov 18 06:53:25 <zsoc> they are like subliminal messages
Nov 18 06:53:35 <zsoc> dieter: oh this new app does this and that
Nov 18 06:53:44 <zsoc> rod: new app is great, INSTALL IT WITH PREWARE!!!!
Nov 18 06:53:57 <zsoc> only you only see it for .3 seconds
Nov 18 06:58:18 <timmyb> Hey
Nov 18 06:58:57 <timmyb> I have webos 1.2 and when I goto the update app it says there are no updates
Nov 18 06:59:11 <timmyb> How do I dl 1.3.1?
Nov 18 06:59:56 <rwhitby> zsoc: heh - i did go a bit over the top today in the chatroll ...
Nov 18 07:00:21 <zsoc> rwhitby, oh no it's great, like i said, my favorite part :D
Nov 18 07:01:12 <rwhitby> at least we got them to restart the recording for mentioning patching the pixi
Nov 18 07:06:03 <timmyb> Anyone?
Nov 18 07:07:59 <zsoc> rwhitby, is there a way to subscribe to a live proccess? like i want the output of stdout... AS it's happening.. like lets say i got 1&2>file.log .. is there a command to, on another terminal, read the contents of file.log live?
Nov 18 07:08:37 <zsoc> i remember doing it once during a quiet install process, there was a command you could type on another terminal to get verbose.. maybe a function of 'tail'?
Nov 18 07:09:23 <Eguy> Rod is a great promoter
Nov 18 07:09:48 <rwhitby> zsoc: tail -f
Nov 18 07:11:02 <zsoc> ty
Nov 18 07:11:08 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 18 07:11:23 <rwhitby> zsoc: are you waiting on me for anything?
Nov 18 07:11:37 <rwhitby> zsoc: I'll look at packaging the service tonight
Nov 18 07:11:46 <antianalog> did anyone else get flooded with a prompt to dl a BOUNCEATTACK.TXT file either yesterday or today?
Nov 18 07:12:05 <Eguy> Nein
Nov 18 07:12:16 <zsoc> rwhitby, nope, we're good, i'm debugging service calls at the moment.. going pretty well actually
Nov 18 07:12:26 <rwhitby> ok, catch you later
Nov 18 07:12:50 <Eguy> I just fell out of my chair
Nov 18 07:15:18 <zsoc> Eguy, literally?
Nov 18 07:15:43 <Eguy> Yes
Nov 18 07:16:09 <epv> why?
Nov 18 07:16:27 <timmyb> Noone knows how I can update webos?
Nov 18 07:16:30 <Eguy> was moving and I fell off
Nov 18 07:16:42 <epv> haha
Nov 18 07:16:56 <Eguy> I probably injured myself
Nov 18 07:17:27 <epv> :(
Nov 18 07:30:12 <grndslm> antianalog: i did... came from the ##security channel, I believe
Nov 18 07:30:24 <grndslm> couple other users got the same "attack"
Nov 18 07:40:03 <trim-pre> virtual keyboars wrks now..cool\n
Nov 18 07:43:59 <jack1987_> goodnight all!
Nov 18 07:48:24 <jack1987_> for the record.... mytether free version is supported.
Nov 18 07:48:39 <jack1987_> http://themxweb.com/2009/11/17/free-my-tether-back-to-life-in-1-3-1/?preview=true&preview_id=521&preview_nonce=b27a453634
Nov 18 08:15:16 <fearphage> have you guys ever tried to put the wifi into promiscious mode?
Nov 18 08:15:37 <oil> my pre is not slutty
Nov 18 08:16:30 <fearphage> or so you think
Nov 18 08:16:41 <fearphage> you think it's charging on the nightstand
Nov 18 11:40:39 <rwhitby> Preware 0.9.10 is ready for alpha testing - new feature is theme category support.
Nov 18 11:48:34 <freakout> oho. really, rwhitby
Nov 18 11:49:08 <rwhitby> yep, PreThemer.com has themes already, and PreCentral is going to add them.
Nov 18 11:49:17 <rwhitby> s/themes/categories/
Nov 18 11:49:18 <infobot> rwhitby meant: yep, PreThemer.com has categories already, and PreCentral is going to add them.
Nov 18 11:49:37 * rwhitby is updating meta-doctor for pixi
Nov 18 11:49:54 * freakout is downloading from the testing feed
Nov 18 11:52:22 <freakout> The Pixi must be really annoying, with the having to maintain two seperate compilations
Nov 18 11:53:31 <rwhitby> It's the price you pay for being the inclusive development group that we are ;-)
Nov 18 11:54:00 <freakout> heh. WOSI are equal-opportunity, eh
Nov 18 11:54:13 <freakout> Man, I can't freaking wait for the GSM update
Nov 18 11:54:27 <freakout> The emulator mocks me, with the 5x4 icons patch installed
Nov 18 11:55:06 <freakout> I'd stay on the Sprint Doctor, but I can't make the App Cat work on it
Nov 18 11:55:40 <freakout> and I figure there's better news opportunities in covering the GSM version, since PreCentral are all over the CDMA one
Nov 18 11:57:00 <freakout> Also, wow. Since I got the Pre I haven't touched the emu in ages
Nov 18 11:57:05 <freakout> it really is amazingly faster
Nov 18 11:58:27 <freakout> rwhitby: how far do you think you are from Preware 1.0, anyways?
Nov 18 11:58:47 <rwhitby> freakout: less than 0.1.0 away ...
Nov 18 11:59:03 <freakout> heh. hence the question ;)
Nov 18 12:01:52 <rwhitby> meta-doctor now supports the pixi
Nov 18 12:02:14 <freakout> I really must get around to meta-doctoring my Pre to fix the QWERTZ
Nov 18 12:02:26 <rwhitby> freakout: did you blog that virtual keyboard for 1.3.1 is out?
Nov 18 12:02:40 <rwhitby> freakout: did you blog about http://install.preware.org ?
Nov 18 12:02:47 <freakout> lol
Nov 18 12:03:02 <freakout> I have a draft with both of those included (and the latest WOSQI update) waiting to go
Nov 18 12:03:11 <freakout> just going to test this latest that you've just pushed out
Nov 18 12:03:29 <freakout> and it seems to work quite nicely, by the by
Nov 18 12:04:28 <rwhitby> wosqi update - that's old news.  doesn't even patch the pixi ...
Nov 18 12:04:42 <freakout> yeah, but I haven't blogged about WOSQI in awhile
Nov 18 12:04:56 <freakout> It's the price I pay for being the inclusive blogger that I am ;)
Nov 18 12:06:57 <freakout> idle though: I wonder why Jason doesn't hang out here more often
Nov 18 12:14:24 <grndslm> why isn't this in preware?
Nov 18 12:14:27 <grndslm> http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/bud-buddy
Nov 18 12:14:37 <grndslm> :D
Nov 18 12:14:51 <rwhitby> "Not Available via Repository, available as private beta (see description)"
Nov 18 12:15:00 <freakout> Distribution:
Nov 18 12:15:00 <freakout> Not Available via Repository, available as private beta (see description)
Nov 18 12:15:11 <freakout> rwhitby: jinx!
Nov 18 12:15:16 <rwhitby> It seem's the choice of the author that it not be distributed by Preware.
Nov 18 12:15:17 <atlanta> hey guys anyone know how to get the downloadmanager running
Nov 18 12:15:31 <atlanta> my app errors tells me the downloadmanager isnt running
Nov 18 12:15:36 <atlanta> and my app store wont install anything
Nov 18 12:15:56 <grndslm> dur
Nov 18 12:15:56 <rwhitby> atlanta: dunno.
Nov 18 12:15:59 <atlanta> darn
Nov 18 12:16:13 <freakout> grndslm: lol. that app is pretty cool
Nov 18 12:16:16 <atlanta> when i go to donwload something it says download cancelled then catalog goes unavil
Nov 18 12:16:22 <freakout> grndslm: teenage freakout would have loved to have it
Nov 18 12:16:39 <grndslm> yea, somebody on sprintusers.com mentioned it and was wondering why it wasn't in preware
Nov 18 12:16:39 <atlanta> wonder what made it stop running
Nov 18 12:16:42 <rwhitby> but old man freakout wouldn't ?
Nov 18 12:16:50 <grndslm> heh
Nov 18 12:17:03 <freakout> rwhitby: heh. old man freakout is joining the Army, which has rather strict policies about such things
Nov 18 12:17:12 * grndslm busts u
Nov 18 12:17:20 * grndslm busts out the "water pipe"
Nov 18 12:18:05 <freakout> lol
Nov 18 12:18:48 <rwhitby> Time to do the "increase /var size only" meta-doctor
Nov 18 12:19:21 <grndslm> as opposed to the...
Nov 18 12:19:34 <grndslm> one that doesn't require palm profile activation?
Nov 18 12:23:38 <rwhitby> three options:
Nov 18 12:23:42 <grndslm> rwhitby:  what steps did you take with meta-doctor?  dev mode on?  2gb /var? no palm profile activation?
Nov 18 12:23:49 <rwhitby> bypass activation
Nov 18 12:23:52 <rwhitby> increase var space
Nov 18 12:23:56 <rwhitby> enable developer mode
Nov 18 12:24:01 <rwhitby> choose any of the above
Nov 18 12:24:04 <grndslm> bypass activation which means no profile?
Nov 18 12:24:26 <grndslm> anything else that you could add to that?  like removing nascar and such?
Nov 18 12:24:27 <rwhitby> you can run the First Use app to log into your profile
Nov 18 12:25:31 <grndslm> right... i'm just wondering how the profile works
Nov 18 12:25:37 <grndslm> i'm guessing you just have to be with certain carriers
Nov 18 12:28:00 <freakout> grndslm: the profile seem to works with any carrier
Nov 18 12:28:12 <freakout> I activated on Optus, and they're surely not an official Pre carrier
Nov 18 12:28:32 <grndslm> wow.  i didn't know that
Nov 18 12:28:47 <grndslm> i figured the activation was linked to your carrier's subnet or something
Nov 18 12:28:49 <Kyusaku> pretty sure Palm Profile is carrier independent
Nov 18 12:28:50 <freakout> the sticking point is whether or not the Pre reads your SIM correctly
Nov 18 12:28:58 <grndslm> crazy
Nov 18 12:29:11 <freakout> if it can't access your carrier's data connection, you can't activate, 'cause you can't do it over wi-fi
Nov 18 12:29:20 <grndslm> ahh
Nov 18 12:29:30 <grndslm> that sounds much simpler
Nov 18 12:29:31 <grndslm> :P
Nov 18 12:29:41 <freakout> rwhitby: that reminds me. Will the meta-doctor allow you to restore your Palm Profile backup over wifi after Doctoring?
Nov 18 12:30:02 <freakout> rwhitby: I hate to waste my precious 1GB data limit when I don't have to.
Nov 18 12:30:12 <Kyusaku> that would be nice.
Nov 18 12:30:32 <grndslm> i'm about to find out in a bit
Nov 18 12:30:36 <grndslm> i'm gonna add some stuff to my contacts & whatnot... and then sync my profile
Nov 18 12:30:45 <grndslm> or see if it really syncs or throws out the old stuff or what
Nov 18 12:31:10 <atlanta> awww this is driving me crazy
Nov 18 12:31:42 <rwhitby> freakout: once you log into the profile, the backup comes back.
Nov 18 12:32:29 <rwhitby> freakout: how else would I be downloading stuff from the app catalog on a CDMA device in Australia?
Nov 18 12:33:37 <rwhitby> ~emulate rwhitby
Nov 18 12:33:39 <infobot> Another Satisfied Customer!
Nov 18 12:33:45 <freakout> lol
Nov 18 12:33:46 <rwhitby> good night all
Nov 18 12:33:52 <freakout> night rod
Nov 18 12:33:54 * rwhitby bbt
Nov 18 12:33:58 <rwhitby> ~emulate rwhitby
Nov 18 12:34:00 <infobot> Another Satisfied Customer!
Nov 18 12:34:05 <rwhitby> ~botsmack
Nov 18 12:34:07 <infobot> OWW!
Nov 18 12:34:12 <rwhitby> ~emulate rwhitby
Nov 18 12:34:13 <infobot> Another Satisfied Customer!
Nov 18 12:34:15 <freakout> ~botsnack
Nov 18 12:34:15 <infobot> freakout: aw, gee
Nov 18 12:34:50 <rwhitby> infobot: you're like a broken record tonight
Nov 18 12:35:12 <grndslm> hah... i just noticed you can flip the "post it note" memos up to change the colors
Nov 18 12:35:16 <grndslm> how gay
Nov 18 12:36:13 <atlanta> ~emulate gay
Nov 18 12:36:13 <grndslm> i think the memo app was palm's biggest software screw up
Nov 18 12:36:15 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 12:36:56 <grndslm> you just can't fix the memo app without throwing it in the trash
Nov 18 12:37:04 <grndslm> everything else can at least be improved upon
Nov 18 12:39:15 <grndslm> too bad chuq wasn't here to hear that
Nov 18 12:40:26 <freakout> grndslm: ping Adora, she can report back to him ;)
Nov 18 12:40:49 <grndslm> i'm sure they know it sucks
Nov 18 12:40:58 <grndslm> i hope they do at least
Nov 18 12:43:19 <grndslm> rwhitby:  you had advanced gestures on too, right?
Nov 18 12:43:25 <grndslm> in the meta?
Nov 18 12:48:35 <grndslm> ... and wosqi can't pickup on things that are installed thru preware?  that sucks
Nov 18 12:52:04 <freakout> grndslm: it should do
Nov 18 12:52:25 <freakout> grndslm: far as I know, they're both using the same methods to do installations now
Nov 18 12:52:26 <grndslm> it wasn't for me earlier
Nov 18 12:52:28 <freakout> rwhitby: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9999/homebrew-installers-the-latest-from-preware-wosqi/
Nov 18 12:52:36 <freakout> and with that, i bid you all a good night
Nov 18 12:55:07 * nt4cats yawns
Nov 18 12:56:25 <quotemstr> An update nuked my user account.
Nov 18 12:56:33 <quotemstr> Is there a way of preventing future updates from erasing my custom users?
Nov 18 12:58:39 * nt4cats will brb
Nov 18 13:00:51 <grndslm> rwhitby:  ssooo.... how do i run the "first run" app??
Nov 18 13:00:55 <grndslm> i'm not seeing it
Nov 18 13:01:52 <grndslm> i don't think i already ran it.... otherwise i'd see all the stuff in my palm profile, right?
Nov 18 14:47:13 <frannie> hi I messed up and did not uninstall themes or patches prior to update. Now I can't find emergency patch recovery and preware won't let me uninstall patches. I can't use webos doctor or wuick install right now. What do I do?n
Nov 18 14:48:08 <en0x> u pray ;D
Nov 18 14:49:22 <zsoc_wirc> frannie: in theory you could use command like to revert .orig files one at a time
Nov 18 14:49:32 <zsoc_wirc> s/like/line/
Nov 18 14:49:34 <infobot> zsoc_wirc meant: frannie: in theory you could use command line to revert .orig files one at a time
Nov 18 14:49:55 <en0x> or use patch -R patch
Nov 18 14:49:57 <zsoc_wirc> its only a theory tho really
Nov 18 14:50:17 <zsoc_wirc> or do whatever that does :p
Nov 18 14:50:28 <frannie> ok I'm a noob though so I don't know how to do all that!
Nov 18 14:50:35 <en0x> zsoc_wirc, it reverses the patch
Nov 18 14:58:40 <en0x> http://www.hitthebitch.dk lol
Nov 18 15:03:47 <nt4cats> en0x: ummm I have a wide-ranging and awfully irreverent non-uptight sense of humor ... but I don't find smacking women anything other than disturbing
Nov 18 15:04:18 <en0x> [;
Nov 18 15:04:34 <en0x> its coz u r 100% pussy heheeh
Nov 18 15:04:39 <en0x> j/k
Nov 18 15:05:25 <nt4cats> en0x: I guess when someone you care about has been beaten by her husband, it takes all of the humor out of this sort of thing.  Maybe it's just me.
Nov 18 15:06:16 <en0x> maybe because i'm eruopean
Nov 18 15:06:24 <en0x> and americans have different sense of humor
Nov 18 15:06:24 <en0x> :S
Nov 18 15:16:10 <destrudo> if we look at it from a logical perspective, it's not the fact that it's a woman, it's the relationship that makes the partner weak and the abuse follows
Nov 18 15:16:37 <destrudo> it seems to me rather condescending to say men shouldn't hit women... very, chauvanist.
Nov 18 15:16:56 <destrudo> You're saying that if you hit them, they have no chance
Nov 18 15:17:12 <destrudo> Obviously not true
Nov 18 15:17:27 <mumbles> anyone have the problem of when a call ends your pre freazes ?
Nov 18 15:17:51 <nt4cats> mumbles: I saw you mention that problem yesterday.  I have not heard of a similar problem before.
Nov 18 15:18:50 <destrudo> I'm gonna return to idling now. *sips his drink*
Nov 18 15:18:54 <nt4cats> mumbles: If I were you I'd reset my Pre back to factory-only software, try a few calls.  If it still freezes bring it back to your phone company.  If it doesn't freeze, patch it slowly running tests after small groups of patches to find the offending one (or combination)
Nov 18 15:20:04 <Rick_work> mumbles  -- agreed
Nov 18 15:21:05 <Rick_work> Re european attitudes vs american attitudes.  One good place to start is by looking at this:  http://goeurope.about.com/od/europeanmaps/l/country-size-comparison-us.swf
Nov 18 15:52:31 <mumbles> nt4cats:  theres a problem with that - the webosdocter uk dosent work
Nov 18 15:54:25 <nt4cats> mumbles: Can you just remove all of your themes,  remove your patches via EPR, and then do the "full reset" built into the Pre?  I know that is not the same as the doctor, but that should make it so that your carrier can't tell you molested your phone ..
Nov 18 15:54:51 <mumbles> going to try that now
Nov 18 15:55:15 <Rick_work> mumbles, do you know how to get to the full reset?
Nov 18 15:55:21 <mumbles> just looked it up now
Nov 18 15:55:47 <mumbles> just have to wait till my pre reinstalls
Nov 18 15:58:38 <mumbles> right thats reinstalling now
Nov 18 16:00:31 <mumbles> forogt that it takes forages though :P
Nov 18 16:04:51 <AtomicPlayboy> What'd I miss?
Nov 18 16:09:07 <xorg> precentral forums down?
Nov 18 16:09:56 <en0x> who got european gsm version of pre?
Nov 18 16:18:06 <oil> http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Application_talk:Preware&diff=0&oldid=7024 wtf
Nov 18 16:18:50 <Marajin> en0x: me?
Nov 18 16:19:05 <en0x> Marajin, does the gsm pre have navigation?"
Nov 18 16:19:13 <en0x> except google maps
Nov 18 16:19:29 <nt4cats> oil: you better get working on it
Nov 18 16:19:32 <Marajin> en0x: no
Nov 18 16:19:41 <en0x> ok thanks
Nov 18 16:19:43 <Marajin> oil: sons of anarchy theme eh?
Nov 18 16:20:01 <Marajin> en0x: I wish it did :( I'd love to see something like tomtom or similar on the pre
Nov 18 16:20:26 <en0x> the one that sprint uses should be maken by default
Nov 18 16:20:30 <en0x> it uses telenav maps
Nov 18 16:20:37 <en0x> and telenav have maps of europe
Nov 18 16:20:49 <Marajin> en0x: telenav do but sprint obviously don't care about the EU market
Nov 18 16:21:01 <en0x> i wonder if the
Nov 18 16:21:11 <en0x> sprint rom on gsm pre
Nov 18 16:21:17 <en0x> has working sprint nav
Nov 18 16:21:20 <Marajin> en0x: nope
Nov 18 16:21:32 <en0x> thats a bummer
Nov 18 16:23:28 <mumbles> nope that dident owrk
Nov 18 16:23:50 <nt4cats> mumbles: didn't work == it still locks up?
Nov 18 16:24:24 <Marajin> nt4cats: I'll check
Nov 18 16:24:38 <nt4cats> mumbles: if so, then unless one of the gurus here has a better suggestion, you should shower, dress, and march your phone into the store where you bought it and politely request a replacement
Nov 18 16:25:20 <mumbles> nt4cats:  yeh im wonding if i have the time to do so
Nov 18 16:25:25 <mumbles> tonight
Nov 18 16:25:44 <nt4cats> mumbles: getting dressed is not optional, even in most European countries
Nov 18 16:26:04 <mumbles> i hve tomake food and get to my cisco corse
Nov 18 16:26:05 <Marajin> en0x: it's just sat at logging on currently.... for me
Nov 18 16:26:34 <mumbles> it will take me 20 mins to get into town, probably spend about 3/4 of an hour at 02 shop, then i ahve to find food
Nov 18 16:26:58 <nt4cats> mumbles: you  don't need a cisco course .. just remember "ena", "conf t" and know where to find the "?" key on your keyboard
Nov 18 16:27:27 <mumbles> nt4cats:  thats true
Nov 18 16:27:28 <Marajin> mumbles: heh :p I ordered from o2 over the phone so I didn't even get it from a store
Nov 18 16:28:20 <Marajin> en0x: interesting, it loads up but the map is blank currently
Nov 18 16:28:42 <en0x> maybe there is some code inside it to prevent from loading other maps
Nov 18 16:28:53 <en0x> or maybe european map is not made for sprint nav
Nov 18 16:28:58 <en0x> which may be
Nov 18 16:29:00 <mumbles> Marajin:  ouch
Nov 18 16:29:11 <Marajin> mumbles: what's ouch about it?
Nov 18 16:29:18 <Marajin> mumbles: you have UK or german o2?
Nov 18 16:29:33 <mumbles> uk
Nov 18 16:29:42 <Marajin> mumbles: their phone service is pretty good
Nov 18 16:30:23 <mumbles> onto customer care now
Nov 18 16:30:24 <Marajin> en0x: interesting, it loads the map at 500 mile scale zoom
Nov 18 16:30:42 <Marajin> en0x: and 200 mile..
Nov 18 16:30:57 <Marajin> and 100 mile..
Nov 18 16:30:59 <en0x> o_X
Nov 18 16:31:05 <en0x> take a screenshot
Nov 18 16:31:19 <Marajin> en0x: still loading at 50 mile..
Nov 18 16:31:45 <Marajin> working at 20 mile now.. seeing the major roads..
Nov 18 16:32:02 <en0x> nice
Nov 18 16:32:03 <Marajin> working at 10 now, still only major roads though...
Nov 18 16:32:04 <atlanta> hey all
Nov 18 16:32:18 <en0x> major roads is not enough
Nov 18 16:32:23 <en0x> but better that than nothing
Nov 18 16:32:47 <Marajin> still got something at 2 mile but blank at 0.5 (possibly no longer in range of "major" roads..
Nov 18 16:32:55 <en0x> might be
Nov 18 16:33:04 <atlanta> hey didnt we find it a problem with fully replacing a palmdatabase.db3 to another phone
Nov 18 16:33:05 <en0x> take a screen at 10 miles
Nov 18 16:33:15 <en0x> atlanta, yes
Nov 18 16:33:23 <atlanta> ok i thought so
Nov 18 16:33:36 <en0x> and thats what the backup utlity is doing
Nov 18 16:33:40 <en0x> copying palmdatabase.db3
Nov 18 16:33:41 <atlanta> yea
Nov 18 16:33:42 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 16:33:46 <atlanta> i just swift through it
Nov 18 16:33:48 <en0x> the one mentioned on precentral
Nov 18 16:33:50 <atlanta> not a good idea
Nov 18 16:33:52 <atlanta> yea
Nov 18 16:33:54 <atlanta> the front page
Nov 18 16:33:55 <en0x> not at all
Nov 18 16:34:16 <Marajin> en0x: bugger, it seems to have jumped to the middle of the ocean, all I get is blue..
Nov 18 16:34:19 <atlanta> rwhitby: you on
Nov 18 16:34:23 <en0x> it will say that you have to rerun first run app or partially erase
Nov 18 16:34:27 <en0x> Marajin, its a bug in webos
Nov 18 16:34:30 <en0x> afaik
Nov 18 16:34:35 <atlanta> yea and loop
Nov 18 16:34:48 <en0x> and it takes wrong gps coordinates in europe i'm not sure
Nov 18 16:34:54 <atlanta> we going to have to make a more direct way i posted up the exact sql to retrieve text messages
Nov 18 16:34:58 <en0x> or it was only for australia
Nov 18 16:35:17 <en0x> atlanta, i was working on copying txt messages from palmdatabase db3 too
Nov 18 16:35:21 <en0x> but i gave up
Nov 18 16:35:23 <Marajin> en0x: it's fixed my gps fine it's showing the dot about the right place in england
Nov 18 16:35:28 <atlanta> hold on let me find my post
Nov 18 16:35:37 <en0x> so i wonder why it jumped into ocean
Nov 18 16:35:38 <en0x> hmm
Nov 18 16:35:53 <en0x> atlanta, did you try to reinsert the tables to clean palmdatabase? :>
Nov 18 16:35:57 <Marajin> weird, the roads and water is showing up at 200 ft in areas but there's just random breaks in the road..
Nov 18 16:36:00 <en0x> i did and it got corrupted
Nov 18 16:36:01 <en0x> ;P
Nov 18 16:36:10 <Marajin> as if it can't load some data/tiles but it thinks it has
Nov 18 16:36:11 <atlanta> en0x: nope what when you reimported
Nov 18 16:36:13 <atlanta> them
Nov 18 16:36:13 <atlanta> ?
Nov 18 16:36:24 <en0x> Marajin, it may be that the map is not ready for europe
Nov 18 16:36:24 <WillJitsu> does the Pixi have a gpu in it similar to the Pre? I know it isn't being used in the Pre currently, but I'm curious whether the Pixi will receive the speed update that the Pre does whenever the code is written.
Nov 18 16:36:35 <en0x> atlanta, database gets corrupted and you will have to run first use app
Nov 18 16:36:59 <atlanta> i wonder what a import to db would od
Nov 18 16:37:03 <atlanta> do
Nov 18 16:37:03 <en0x> it will ask you for a reboot because palmdatabase.db3 is corrupted and it will recreate it again after first use app
Nov 18 16:37:09 <Marajin> en0x: I get nothing at all at 1000 ft scale even zooming directly over a visible road in 2000 ft
Nov 18 16:37:15 <en0x> atlanta, ^
Nov 18 16:37:22 <atlanta> oh
Nov 18 16:37:29 <atlanta> you did a full file replace ment
Nov 18 16:37:35 <en0x> nop
Nov 18 16:37:40 <atlanta> or just a insert sql commands
Nov 18 16:37:45 <atlanta> http://forums.precentral.net/1908509-post22.html
Nov 18 16:37:47 <en0x> atlanta, no, just sql insert
Nov 18 16:37:55 <atlanta> ahhh booo that sucks
Nov 18 16:38:10 <mumbles> Marajin:  odd i just had a call and it dident happen
Nov 18 16:38:23 <en0x> Marajin, will have to look more into it
Nov 18 16:38:29 <Marajin> en0x: so yeah, looks like it sorta works but the map data is missing
Nov 18 16:38:29 <en0x> atlanta, yap
Nov 18 16:38:37 <mikewx> so i went to do my morning webos dr check and was surprised to find the wiki updated. What is 1.2.9.1?
Nov 18 16:38:44 <en0x> Marajin, yeah looks like the map is not completed
Nov 18 16:38:44 <atlanta> en0x: maybe we can just export .csv the sql and make a program to read iot
Nov 18 16:38:47 <atlanta> it**
Nov 18 16:39:09 <en0x> atlanta, idk i have got into it anymore after i failed with sql insert
Nov 18 16:39:10 <mikewx> oh that's pixi
Nov 18 16:39:18 <atlanta> oh ok
Nov 18 16:39:23 <mikewx> still an odd version number though
Nov 18 16:39:27 <atlanta> then we'll just have to make restoring not a open
Nov 18 16:39:31 <atlanta> just backup and reading it
Nov 18 16:39:52 <en0x> atlanta, it may work
Nov 18 16:40:06 <en0x> if u kill LunaSysManager
Nov 18 16:40:12 <en0x> and then try to insert tables
Nov 18 16:40:17 <atlanta> ohh yea you have to stop access to the db first
Nov 18 16:40:23 <atlanta> you didnt kill Luna
Nov 18 16:40:23 <atlanta> ?
Nov 18 16:40:28 <en0x> i did
Nov 18 16:40:31 <en0x> and it worked
Nov 18 16:40:36 <atlanta> but
Nov 18 16:40:37 <atlanta> ?
Nov 18 16:40:39 <en0x> i got all my messages back in messaging app
Nov 18 16:40:43 <en0x> BUT
Nov 18 16:41:01 <en0x> when you sent txt to somebody the conversation wasnt updated
Nov 18 16:41:02 <en0x> :P
Nov 18 16:41:03 <mumbles> meh its cold and wet outside ill go oout tommow.
Nov 18 16:41:21 <atlanta> en0x: yea i figured that would be the problem
Nov 18 16:41:22 <en0x> and it looked like the txt wasnt even sent
Nov 18 16:41:38 <atlanta> i noticed the dbs have issue when you get them out of squential sync
Nov 18 16:41:45 <en0x> right
Nov 18 16:41:56 <atlanta> like i restored some pictures back into my DCIM foldre
Nov 18 16:41:59 <en0x> and i havent found a workaround for it
Nov 18 16:41:59 <mumbles> wow. my screen comes back now after a few seconds
Nov 18 16:42:02 <atlanta> and when i took pictures in the cam it spazed out
Nov 18 16:42:12 <en0x> atlanta, right
Nov 18 16:42:50 <en0x> because it keeps the track of picture names in database
Nov 18 16:43:20 <WillJitsu> hmm.. no one knows about the GPU?
Nov 18 16:43:35 <en0x> atlanta, i may know of a workaround but havent tried that
Nov 18 16:43:51 <en0x> every contact in PalmDatabase.db3 gets assigned its own ID
Nov 18 16:44:04 <en0x> thats how it keeps all the things to one contact like sms/im/etc
Nov 18 16:44:32 <en0x> so probably the contacts id didnt match the ids from previous palmdatabase.db3 texts
Nov 18 16:45:10 <en0x> and then luna got confused
Nov 18 16:45:16 <en0x> and didnt know what to do
Nov 18 16:45:32 <en0x> but it requires more debugging
Nov 18 16:45:48 <en0x> and i can't afford to lose my txt messages every few hours
Nov 18 16:45:49 <en0x> ;)
Nov 18 16:47:05 <atlanta> lol i feel you on that
Nov 18 16:47:06 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 16:47:24 <atlanta> like i said im not to worried about a restore long as i have it where i can read those text u know
Nov 18 16:47:36 <en0x> thats a bummer
Nov 18 16:48:07 <en0x> anyway
Nov 18 16:48:21 <en0x> i would prefer it to be in messaging app
Nov 18 16:48:21 <en0x> ;)
Nov 18 16:51:03 <en0x> so what we would have to do
Nov 18 16:51:25 <en0x> is to take contact id from messages and match them with ids from the current palmdatabase
Nov 18 16:53:05 <en0x> but like i said
Nov 18 16:53:15 <en0x> it needs more work and more debugging
Nov 18 16:55:02 <cryptk> is there anyone here I can chat with about an idea I have for preware?
Nov 18 16:55:29 <cryptk> and firstly is there a list somewhere of planned changes for preware so i can make sure my idea isn't already on the list?
Nov 18 16:55:33 <en0x> put it on the wiki on application talk preware
Nov 18 16:55:40 <en0x> easiest thing to do
Nov 18 16:55:41 <en0x> :p
Nov 18 16:55:43 <cryptk> cool
Nov 18 16:55:47 <en0x> if u want u can wait for oil
Nov 18 16:55:50 <en0x> or rwhitby
Nov 18 16:56:00 <atlanta> en0x: ok we'll get to it when we can let me contact this drew guy
Nov 18 16:56:11 <sampson> has anyone noticed a lot of bugs in 1.3.1?
Nov 18 16:56:19 <A2NY> I wish there was a doctor w/o usb :D
Nov 18 16:56:21 <sampson> my data drops almost hourly when i use 1.3.1 and ringtones are fucked
Nov 18 16:56:28 <en0x> atlanta, im just waiting for him to release it
Nov 18 16:56:29 <en0x> ;D
Nov 18 16:56:37 <en0x> and watch all the threads on the forum
Nov 18 16:56:41 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 16:56:43 <en0x> about corupted database
Nov 18 16:56:43 <en0x> :D
Nov 18 16:56:48 <atlanta> that would be funny
Nov 18 16:57:01 <atlanta> but then you lose more than what it was really worth to back it up
Nov 18 16:57:07 <atlanta> because luna gonna clean the db
Nov 18 16:57:07 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 16:57:09 <cryptk> enox: were you talking about on the discussion page for preware on the wiki?
Nov 18 16:57:16 <en0x> cryptk, yes
Nov 18 16:57:23 <en0x> atlanta, r0tfl that would be fun
Nov 18 16:57:27 <cryptk> enox, cool, thanks!
Nov 18 16:57:34 <en0x> i noticed that luna only erases PalmDatabase.db3
Nov 18 16:57:42 <atlanta> yup yup
Nov 18 16:57:53 <atlanta> the mojo app is posted the service isnt posted anywhere is it
Nov 18 16:57:53 <en0x> but still
Nov 18 16:57:54 <atlanta> ?
Nov 18 16:57:57 <en0x> there is a lot of info there
Nov 18 16:57:58 <en0x> :)
Nov 18 16:58:06 <en0x> atlanta, for the backup?
Nov 18 16:58:11 <atlanta> yea
Nov 18 16:58:19 <en0x> it uses bash scripts
Nov 18 16:58:20 <en0x> :p
Nov 18 16:58:29 <atlanta> i dont see them in this ipk
Nov 18 16:58:35 <en0x> o_X
Nov 18 16:58:42 <en0x> hmm
Nov 18 16:59:20 <atlanta> it uses a service he created
Nov 18 16:59:25 <atlanta>  i think they went away from the bash
Nov 18 16:59:31 <atlanta> because the mojo app has calls to services
Nov 18 16:59:38 <atlanta> i think rwhitby  helped him with it
Nov 18 17:02:23 <en0x> anyway it still sucks
Nov 18 17:02:43 <atlanta> oh man i think those threads are probably gonna come soon
Nov 18 17:02:43 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 17:03:10 <en0x> just wait
Nov 18 17:03:11 <en0x> ;)
Nov 18 17:03:14 <atlanta> yup yup
Nov 18 17:03:26 <en0x> i cant
Nov 18 17:03:40 <en0x> so probably i will start the first thread without trying the app
Nov 18 17:03:40 <atlanta> i just looked through that thread where i posted the sql i extracted and someone had did the full replacement
Nov 18 17:03:41 <en0x> hahahaha
Nov 18 17:03:43 <atlanta> and it messed up
Nov 18 17:03:50 <atlanta> LMFAOo en0x link me if u do
Nov 18 17:04:03 <en0x> atlanta, u see I told u :)
Nov 18 17:04:05 <atlanta> i warned people in the thread when the initial idea come up aobut replacing it
Nov 18 17:04:18 <en0x> we had few threads
Nov 18 17:04:21 <en0x> when ppl replaced it
Nov 18 17:04:33 <en0x> but u know what is funny?
Nov 18 17:04:40 <en0x> this app can backup but cant restore
Nov 18 17:04:40 <A2NY> webos 1.3.1 doctor out ?
Nov 18 17:04:41 <en0x> hahahaha
Nov 18 17:04:45 <en0x> atlanta, nope
Nov 18 17:04:55 <en0x> A2NY, ^
Nov 18 17:05:02 <atlanta> en0x: lmfaoo
Nov 18 17:05:07 <atlanta> true everyone is like YAYYYY
Nov 18 17:05:14 <atlanta> but wheres the restore option
Nov 18 17:05:27 <en0x> if u want to restore you have to use terminal or ssh
Nov 18 17:05:27 <en0x> :)
Nov 18 17:05:29 <atlanta> i guess that part is left to the brave individuals who are willing to fuck up there phone
Nov 18 17:05:31 <en0x> good job there!
Nov 18 17:06:01 <en0x> anyway
Nov 18 17:06:07 <atlanta> so whats new with you
Nov 18 17:06:07 <en0x> i';m waiting for them to replace the app
Nov 18 17:06:08 <en0x> ;]
Nov 18 17:06:15 <atlanta> yea they need to take it down
Nov 18 17:06:20 <en0x> s/replace/release
Nov 18 17:06:30 <en0x> nothing new with me man...
Nov 18 17:06:30 <atlanta> gonna cause more problems for the communities than there already is
Nov 18 17:06:35 <en0x> a lot of stress laterly
Nov 18 17:06:37 <en0x> lately
Nov 18 17:06:40 <atlanta> awww that sucks
Nov 18 17:06:45 <atlanta>  /j
Nov 18 17:07:01 <atlanta> i try not to let things get to me
Nov 18 17:07:59 <en0x> ya i dont care about my job and stuff but then it comes to family i;m boomed and lately i just found out that my sis is anemic... and yesterday i had to spend few ours in emergency room with her
Nov 18 17:08:18 <atlanta> awww man sorry to hear that bro
Nov 18 17:08:23 <en0x> anyway... why the f.. everybody is asking about the gpu support?! it will be there when it will be there
Nov 18 17:08:40 <en0x> if i had @ i would write a trigger
Nov 18 17:08:49 <en0x> if somebody asks about GPU it will kick ban him
Nov 18 17:08:50 <en0x> ;d
Nov 18 17:09:37 <diomark> so, any updates on the GPU support? <DUCK!>
Nov 18 17:09:57 <en0x> if i had @
Nov 18 17:09:58 <en0x> :)
Nov 18 17:10:02 <en0x> i dont so i cant ban :P
Nov 18 17:10:18 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 17:13:10 <en0x> anyone tried to replace flash memory on pre?
Nov 18 17:13:22 <en0x> so instead of 8gb we would have 16 or so?
Nov 18 17:14:15 <atlanta> ahhh that sounds like a nice project
Nov 18 17:14:44 <en0x> yap
Nov 18 17:15:12 <atlanta> isnt there a document on what chip is in ther enow
Nov 18 17:15:23 <atlanta> see if i can find something bigger and identical onlin
Nov 18 17:15:24 <en0x> there should be
Nov 18 17:15:30 <gkatsev> someone get rwhitby a gsm pre so he could use the cdma one to try it
Nov 18 17:15:50 <atlanta> to try what
Nov 18 17:15:50 <atlanta> ?
Nov 18 17:15:53 <en0x> well u can always brick yours
Nov 18 17:16:02 <en0x> and then go to sprint store for replacement
Nov 18 17:16:04 <en0x> :p
Nov 18 17:16:34 <gkatsev> atlanta: try to replace the flash memory
Nov 18 17:16:42 <atlanta> oh gotcha
Nov 18 17:16:55 <atlanta> imma find out the chip model and look into it
Nov 18 17:16:57 <atlanta>  brb lunch time
Nov 18 17:18:23 <gkatsev> didnt ifixit do a pre teardown?
Nov 18 17:23:15 <en0x> atlanta_lunch, http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/JETypgW5syNWtFlg.large
Nov 18 17:23:51 <en0x> samsung kmcmg0000m
Nov 18 17:23:53 <en0x> hmm
Nov 18 17:26:05 <justaguy_> argh
Nov 18 17:26:40 <justaguy_> any ideas why sometimes xp will let you install the novacom driver and other times it says it cant find any info for the device
Nov 18 17:27:47 <en0x> yey ps3 got facebook integration in new software!
Nov 18 17:27:59 <justaguy_> i love my ps3
Nov 18 17:28:09 <justaguy_> but i dont think ill be doing any facebook on it
Nov 18 17:29:13 <justaguy_> i want to thro this fucking pixi
Nov 18 17:29:19 <A2NY> =\
Nov 18 17:29:49 <justaguy_> maybe ill smoke a bowl instead
Nov 18 17:32:15 <en0x> lol
Nov 18 17:35:11 <Mousey> ugh. whats wrong with my browser?
Nov 18 17:35:21 <Mousey> HAX!
Nov 18 17:37:59 <A2NY> ugh great, just lost all contacts
Nov 18 17:39:11 <AtomicPlayboy> I need to learn how to write a patch.
Nov 18 17:39:20 <AtomicPlayboy> This has to be fixable somehow.
Nov 18 17:39:28 <A2NY> AtomicPlayboy: what are you looking to do
Nov 18 17:39:52 <AtomicPlayboy> WPA2-PEAP-MSCHAP
Nov 18 17:40:05 <AtomicPlayboy> Wifi won't authenticate with my work network.
Nov 18 17:42:05 <AtomicPlayboy> There has to be a workaround for it, but I can't find any answers anywhere on the web.
Nov 18 17:42:13 <AtomicPlayboy> so I need to learn how to patch.
Nov 18 17:42:17 <Rick_work> ouch  wpa2-pe-mschap is pretty massively lockeddown.
Nov 18 17:42:59 <en0x> go and play with wpa_supplicant on command line
Nov 18 17:43:00 <AtomicPlayboy> Yeah, our network needs some fine-tuning. They've been wanting to upgrade it for months, but it won't be in the budget until January.
Nov 18 17:43:25 <AtomicPlayboy> en0x Is that built-in or do I need to download it?
Nov 18 17:43:38 <en0x> its built-in
Nov 18 17:43:54 <en0x> pre uses it to authenticate to a network
Nov 18 17:44:47 <en0x> AtomicPlayboy, http://wklej.org/id/209422/txt
Nov 18 17:45:22 <en0x> and u may want to be interested in wpa_supplicant.conf man page too
Nov 18 17:45:22 <en0x> ;)
Nov 18 17:45:27 <en0x> good luck
Nov 18 17:45:41 <AtomicPlayboy> I will do that.
Nov 18 17:45:42 <AtomicPlayboy> And I will need that.
Nov 18 17:46:13 <en0x> AtomicPlayboy, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/wlanconnection-wpa2-eappeapmschapv2-how-to-configure-633456/
Nov 18 17:46:16 <en0x> here
Nov 18 17:46:36 <en0x> there is a lot of info on the web
Nov 18 17:46:41 <en0x> how to set it up
Nov 18 17:46:41 <en0x> ;)
Nov 18 17:47:36 <AtomicPlayboy> Ah, thanks.
Nov 18 17:48:10 <AtomicPlayboy> You know, I've been looking into Pre-specific info, I neglected to look at LINUX CONFIGURATION info.
Nov 18 17:48:25 <AtomicPlayboy> Duh.
Nov 18 17:48:28 <justaguy_> debian right?
Nov 18 17:48:30 <AtomicPlayboy> I'll try this after lunch.
Nov 18 17:48:36 <AtomicPlayboy> More or less.
Nov 18 17:48:39 <en0x> justaguy_, debian what?
Nov 18 17:48:56 <AtomicPlayboy> I don't think NSL is "Debian," but I'm sure most of these configurations will work with any Linux system.
Nov 18 17:48:57 <Decimate> hey guyss.
Nov 18 17:49:07 <en0x> they will
Nov 18 17:49:10 <justaguy_> isnt that the base of the pre is?
Nov 18 17:49:28 <en0x> its different
Nov 18 17:49:48 <justaguy_> what would it be closest to?
Nov 18 17:49:55 <AtomicPlayboy> NSL
Nov 18 17:49:58 <en0x> openembedded
Nov 18 17:50:00 <AtomicPlayboy> NSLU2
Nov 18 17:50:08 <en0x> imho
Nov 18 17:50:16 <natenrb9> a few questions for the group: 1. where do themes get stored? /var? 2. what is in /var just apps/themes? 3. is it safe to just clear /var out?
Nov 18 17:50:56 <Decimate> do not clear /var
Nov 18 17:51:16 <AtomicPlayboy>  /var is where all of webOS' app info gets stored.
Nov 18 17:51:19 <Decimate> themes replace images
Nov 18 17:51:30 <Decimate> apps are stored /var/palm/applications...I think
Nov 18 17:52:00 <en0x> Decimate, /var/usr/palm/applications
Nov 18 17:53:17 <Decimate> oh yeah,thanks en0x :)
Nov 18 17:54:47 <Decimate> the wIRC palm dark theme just doesn't feel right
Nov 18 17:55:12 <en0x> i use the default one
Nov 18 17:55:46 <egaudet_work> natenrb9, no it is not safe to clean /var out
Nov 18 17:55:58 <natenrb9> so my buddy had the ole "not enough room to install app problem"…even when clearing out all his apps…his /var was reading at 137MB even with all apps (non-default) uninstalled.  What fills this up? Are there some apps known to leave a bunch of crap in /var?
Nov 18 17:56:10 <sugardave> email
Nov 18 17:56:32 <sugardave> ?
Nov 18 17:56:33 <natenrb9> sugardave: was that an answer to me?
Nov 18 17:56:43 <sugardave> a suggestion, yeah
Nov 18 17:56:46 <sugardave> might be email?
Nov 18 17:56:55 <natenrb9> emails are stored in /var too?
Nov 18 17:57:12 <sugardave> not sure...maybe attachments...have you had him install mvapp?
Nov 18 17:57:21 <natenrb9> not yet
Nov 18 17:57:28 <sugardave> I'd try that first
Nov 18 17:57:37 <natenrb9> he isn't super savvy so didn't want to go that route yet...
Nov 18 17:57:41 <Decimate> use that app limit patch...
Nov 18 17:57:55 <Decimate> fair dunkam or something
Nov 18 17:58:03 <natenrb9> yeah, he tried that
Nov 18 17:58:04 <Decimate> installable by preware
Nov 18 17:58:06 <en0x> newer preware replaces it
Nov 18 17:58:09 <sugardave> Decimate: that's supposed to be built in preware now
Nov 18 17:58:16 <egaudet_work> I'm pretty sure email IS stored in /var
Nov 18 17:58:20 <natenrb9> and he has the newest preware/package service manager
Nov 18 17:58:32 <natenrb9> email is in /var huh...interesting
Nov 18 17:59:10 <Decimate> sugardave: hah, I don't come here much for 2 weeks and I miss so much :p
Nov 18 17:59:42 <sugardave> Decimate: I know, I didn't know that either the other day...I skim this channel occasionally
Nov 18 18:00:43 <Templarian> Rick_work: so what caused your update to boink the game.
Nov 18 18:00:54 <trim-pre> hi guys
Nov 18 18:00:57 <Templarian> (I mean the update)
Nov 18 18:01:12 <trim-pre> just fyi: the overclock scaling patch works great on 1.3.1
Nov 18 18:01:13 <natenrb9> so what are the default limit rules on /var and /var/usr/palm/applications? anyone know?
Nov 18 18:01:18 <Decimate> high school and drumline get the best of time nowadays sugardave,oh well
Nov 18 18:01:21 <trim-pre> my pre is fast now
Nov 18 18:01:27 <trim-pre> 600mhz
Nov 18 18:01:36 <natenrb9> trim-pre: overclock scaling patch?
Nov 18 18:01:49 <trim-pre> yeah
Nov 18 18:01:50 <natenrb9> trim-pre: is it safe on the processor?
Nov 18 18:01:54 <sugardave> Decimate: ah, marching band....I used to play the sousaphone
Nov 18 18:01:56 <trim-pre> clip-carl's work
Nov 18 18:02:07 <trim-pre> I overclock home pc's all the time
Nov 18 18:02:14 <natenrb9> trim-pre: is it in preware?
Nov 18 18:02:17 <trim-pre> no
Nov 18 18:02:18 <Templarian> natenrb9: for a short time... although really doubt your phone will be in use for as long as that chip functions.
Nov 18 18:02:28 <trim-pre> look at precentral and then devlopment section
Nov 18 18:02:33 <Decimate> sugardave: I'm the first freshmen at the school to ever make quad drums,so I'm satisfied.
Nov 18 18:02:36 <trim-pre> its off the hook!
Nov 18 18:02:40 <en0x> trim-pre, will see how ur battery gonna be
Nov 18 18:02:44 <trim-pre> noticeably fastee
Nov 18 18:02:55 <Rick_work> Templarian  I have no idea why the game is boinked
Nov 18 18:02:55 <trim-pre> well, its a scaling patch
Nov 18 18:02:58 <Rick_work> it works on my phone
Nov 18 18:03:02 <Rick_work> it workson the emulator
Nov 18 18:03:07 <Rick_work> I have no idea at all
Nov 18 18:03:08 <trim-pre> there's 2 patches 1 for cpu scaling, other is overclock
Nov 18 18:03:18 <trim-pre> I have a 2600 battery so I chose overclock
Nov 18 18:03:21 <natenrb9> trim-pre: in the forum? do you have the link?
Nov 18 18:03:29 <trim-pre> I'm mobile. sorry
Nov 18 18:03:37 <trim-pre> search for 'scaling'
Nov 18 18:03:42 <trim-pre> should pop up
Nov 18 18:04:51 <Templarian> Rick_work: it works for me.
Nov 18 18:05:08 <Templarian> I was just randomly looking at the comments and couldn't figure it out.
Nov 18 18:06:25 <nt4cats|lunch> natenrb9: I'm not endorsing this (never heard of it before 30 seconds ago) -- but this may be the link trim-pre is talking about ... http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/192181-stable-cpu-frequency-scaling-app-here.html
Nov 18 18:06:56 <trim-pre> yup
Nov 18 18:07:25 <trim-pre> its seriosuly faster on my pre
Nov 18 18:07:29 <natenrb9> nt4cats: you do it to yours?
Nov 18 18:07:33 <nt4cats|lunch> trim-pre: are you trim81 in the forums
Nov 18 18:07:33 <trim-pre> enjoyable
Nov 18 18:07:38 <trim-pre> yes
Nov 18 18:08:19 <nt4cats|lunch> natenrb9: no, I wasn't kidding -- I've never heard of the app before 30 seconds ago.  I just saw your chat with trim-pre and searched the forums because he is mobile
Nov 18 18:09:30 <Marajin> heh :)
Nov 18 18:09:33 <Marajin> hmm food time!
Nov 18 18:09:40 <mara-eating> back in a bit
Nov 18 18:09:46 <mara-eating> enjoy your OC'd pre
Nov 18 18:10:24 <natenrb9> nt4cats: lol, didn't see the 30 sec part in your first message...
Nov 18 18:11:06 <hmagoo> my replacement will be delivered today.
Nov 18 18:11:35 <hmagoo> had first line of pre from early June... should be better I would hope
Nov 18 18:11:59 <natenrb9> anyone know about this: so what are the default size limit rules on /var and /var/usr/palm/applications?
Nov 18 18:12:56 <hmagoo> thought it was ~60MB on apps
Nov 18 18:18:03 <natenrb9> all interested in over-clocking, boosting cpu performance, and better battery life possibly - found this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_CPU_Frequency_or_Voltage_Scaling
Nov 18 18:20:04 <natenrb9> so /var/usr/palm/applications is limited to 64MB by default…?
Nov 18 18:20:33 <trim-pre> good job on mvapp guys, love it
Nov 18 18:22:06 <hmagoo> do we enable linux access by following the wiki steps these days or just install some preware packages?
Nov 18 18:23:21 <natenrb9> hmagoo: you can install the terminal app and terminal plugin through preware, or you can also get linux access through Quick Install
Nov 18 18:25:31 <hmagoo> natenrb9: I like http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/192181-stable-cpu-frequency-scaling-app-here.html better
Nov 18 18:26:22 <hmagoo> in these iterations of webos I just ended up using 250mhz when the screen is off and 500mhz when its on, a pretty simple scaling, if you want to call it that at all, but little complications and saves battery
Nov 18 18:26:29 <natenrb9> hmagoo: yeah, that link was given prior to mine, the other one just explains things more
Nov 18 18:26:30 <hmagoo> actually can do 550 when screen is on
Nov 18 18:28:18 <atlanta_lunch> thanks en0x
Nov 18 18:30:30 <atlanta> en0x:  you still there
Nov 18 18:30:46 <natenrb9> templarian: have you done the cpu scaling to your phone?
Nov 18 18:30:57 <natenrb9> you had made a comment earlier
Nov 18 18:31:02 <en0x> atlanta, yap just came back from lunch
Nov 18 18:31:07 <atlanta> me 2
Nov 18 18:31:10 <atlanta> had subway
Nov 18 18:31:12 <Templarian> natenrb9: nope, I'm fine declocked.
Nov 18 18:31:21 <atlanta> you know of any semiconductor companies to buy the chip from
Nov 18 18:31:22 <atlanta> ?
Nov 18 18:31:29 <en0x> hehe i had a steak bomb :P
Nov 18 18:31:34 <en0x> atlanta, nope
Nov 18 18:31:58 <atlanta> im really thinking about doing it
Nov 18 18:32:03 <Templarian> atlanta: isn't it in the beagle board?
Nov 18 18:32:09 <atlanta> Templarian: what
Nov 18 18:32:09 <atlanta> ?
Nov 18 18:32:23 <Templarian> oh nvm didn't see what you were talking about.
Nov 18 18:32:49 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 18:33:09 <atlanta> Templarian: thinking about swapping out the 8gb nand chip in the phone
Nov 18 18:33:13 <atlanta> bumping it to 16gb
Nov 18 18:33:35 <Templarian> i heard it's possible, wasn't there a thread about it on the forums.
Nov 18 18:33:45 <atlanta> not sure
Nov 18 18:33:48 <atlanta> time to look
Nov 18 18:36:04 <hmagoo> was some people that do it on another platform IIRC
Nov 18 18:36:10 <AtomicPlayboy> What wifi driver does the Pre use?
Nov 18 18:36:12 * mara-eating returns
Nov 18 18:36:12 <AtomicPlayboy> Anybody know?
Nov 18 18:37:39 * AtomicPlayboy be's Arby's.
Nov 18 18:38:12 <atlanta> can't find a semiconductor company with more than 8gb
Nov 18 18:39:16 <egaudet_work> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/208950-replacing-8gb-samsung-nand-16gb-nand.html
Nov 18 18:40:18 <atlanta> thank egaudet_work egaudet_work
Nov 18 18:42:55 <Marajin> heh
Nov 18 18:43:04 <Marajin> upgrading the pre with manually soldering a new chip on?
Nov 18 18:43:09 <Marajin> mmm, no ;)
Nov 18 18:43:14 <Marajin> only if you're a) an expert and b) have fancy gear
Nov 18 18:43:33 <Marajin> or c) so rich you don't care how many replacement pres you need to buy
Nov 18 18:43:46 <atlanta> seeing that i can fulfill a and b lets see how it goes
Nov 18 18:44:22 <Marajin> well if you have the kit and skill, by all means
Nov 18 18:44:34 <Marajin> I'd just never recommend it even get considered by anyone else then
Nov 18 18:51:09 <atlanta> couldnt be that hard
Nov 18 18:51:09 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 18:51:57 <Marajin> Iunno, lot of tiny solder points to do manually
Nov 18 18:52:16 <synackfin1> my phone ran out of batteries and shut itself off during the night -- I plugged it in this morning and it gave me a giant battery-charging picture, but I don't seem to be able to turn it on while it's in that made... anyone know how to turn it on now? (I just held the power button down.. no cigar)
Nov 18 18:52:30 * AtomicPlayboy be's back.
Nov 18 18:52:42 <Marajin> synackfin1: how long has it been charging? it should reach bootable level after a few minutes
Nov 18 18:52:58 <Marajin> I've run it down to that level myself before and it came to life on its own after a few minutes from memory
Nov 18 18:53:13 <synackfin1> Marajin: I don't understand why it doesn't boot right away since it's plugged into the wall
Nov 18 18:53:43 <atlanta> synackfin1: its not going to
Nov 18 18:53:44 <Marajin> synackfin1: well nor will many phones because the drain may exceed USB's output
Nov 18 18:53:47 <atlanta> its juicing up
Nov 18 18:53:48 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 18:53:59 <atlanta> and a few minutes some times is 10 mins
Nov 18 18:54:01 <natenrb9> synackfin1: takes a bit for the battery to get back to bootable level
Nov 18 18:54:03 <Marajin> iphones/ipod touches won't boot in those circumstances either
Nov 18 18:54:05 <Manifest> Anyone know if there's a free tethering app available? Or coming available soon? Running 1.3.1 and MyTether doesn't work on it.
Nov 18 18:55:18 <synackfin1> Marajin: hmm, I see.  But the wall socket should supply enough power to both charge and boot up
Nov 18 18:56:14 <synackfin1> natenrb9: it's just odd that it's not like a laptop that once "plugged in" it doesn't complain about battery issues
Nov 18 18:56:28 <Marajin> synackfin1: yeah it'll give a full amp, nearly double a USB socket but the pre can't be sure
Nov 18 18:56:53 <Marajin> I've tried it on my old WM phones before ya see
Nov 18 18:57:16 <Marajin> they'll boot running entirely on USB power but boot + charge cycle = too much and they'll generally shutdown part way through bootup even on a wall socket charger
Nov 18 18:58:11 <natenrb9> synackfin1: yeah, that's how most phones are, won't boot up unitl the juice is to a sustainable level
Nov 18 18:59:07 <AtomicPlayboy> http://webos.pastebin.com/d2e3d509a - wpa_supplicant.conf
Nov 18 18:59:07 <AtomicPlayboy> http://webos.pastebin.com/d78dd25d5 - wpa_supplicant.log
Nov 18 18:59:52 <Marajin> so yeah, give your pre a few minutes more and it should boot
Nov 18 19:00:31 <zsoc_wirc> synackfin1: the problem is, if you plug it in, battery completely dead, boot it, and then unplug it, you could corrupt files.
Nov 18 19:00:51 <zsoc_wirc> so it makes sure the battery is charged enough to complete the boot process
Nov 18 19:04:49 <Marajin> zsoc_wirc: and it's got an instrinsically higher power demand because it has to charge the dead battery at max flow AND power the system... yes
Nov 18 19:07:57 <zsoc_wirc> that's probably true. I can't claim to know how the power circuitry handles demands :) at that point it might be using the battery as a glorified capacitor, lol
Nov 18 19:08:40 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 19:09:36 <en0x> AtomicPlayboy, so its not connecting?
Nov 18 19:10:12 <AtomicPlayboy> Not yet.
Nov 18 19:10:15 <AtomicPlayboy> Still fiddling with it.
Nov 18 19:10:22 <en0x> wtf
Nov 18 19:10:30 <en0x> i reinstalled preware yesterday because of corrupted cookie
Nov 18 19:10:35 <en0x> and today i have corrupted cookie too
Nov 18 19:11:20 <atlanta> i would corrupt your cookie 2
Nov 18 19:11:54 <en0x> this sounded bad
Nov 18 19:13:07 <zsoc_wirc> I wish I wasn't an idiot and could write some mojo magic that actually handles service requests properly
Nov 18 19:13:24 <atlanta> zsoc_wirc: what u mean
Nov 18 19:13:24 <atlanta> ?
Nov 18 19:14:00 <en0x> he means that he don';t want to be an idiot anymore
Nov 18 19:14:01 <en0x> ;)
Nov 18 19:14:16 <zsoc_wirc> right
Nov 18 19:14:31 <en0x> whats ur IQ score?
Nov 18 19:14:31 <en0x> :P
Nov 18 19:14:40 <en0x> 70?
Nov 18 19:14:54 <zsoc_wirc> I'm having issues with a service request. the request is working according to dbus but I'm not getting the desired results
Nov 18 19:14:55 <en0x> if its below 60 then it's bad
Nov 18 19:15:06 <Rick_work> which service zsoc_wirc
Nov 18 19:15:33 <AtomicPlayboy> Sorry, back.
Nov 18 19:22:30 <Manifest> Does anyone know if the iPhone user agent spoof works on 1.3.1?
Nov 18 19:23:09 <zsoc_wirc> rick_home: gstservice
Nov 18 19:25:22 <Rick_work> ??????  gst service????
Nov 18 19:25:35 <Rick_work> zsoc_wirc
Nov 18 19:25:37 <Rick_work> ???
Nov 18 19:25:54 <en0x> woot woot
Nov 18 19:26:29 <zsoc_wirc> services/gstservice.git, its on the webos internsls git, for the video / audio recorder
Nov 18 19:27:24 <Rick_work> AHHHH   ---  your service.
Nov 18 19:27:26 <Rick_work> sorry.
Nov 18 19:27:57 <en0x> yey!
Nov 18 19:27:58 <en0x> :P
Nov 18 19:31:14 <AtomicPlayboy> Okay...think I get it now.
Nov 18 19:31:15 <AtomicPlayboy> CTRL-EVENT-EAP-METHOD EAP vendor 0 method 21 (TTLS) selected
Nov 18 19:31:30 <AtomicPlayboy> It's forcing Wifi to use TTLS, even though we use PEAP and NOT TTLS.
Nov 18 19:31:42 <AtomicPlayboy> So, where do I find the config files for the native Wifi client so I can change that?
Nov 18 19:31:52 <AtomicPlayboy> The GUI wifi client that is
Nov 18 19:33:25 <atlanta> pmsomethingmanager
Nov 18 19:33:33 <atlanta> you have to stop it
Nov 18 19:34:30 <en0x> yey
Nov 18 19:34:33 <en0x> new apps in catalog
Nov 18 19:41:48 <navinag> does anyone know where the pngs live for contacts?
Nov 18 19:42:55 <navinag> more specifically the thumbnail versions that we see in the contacts app
Nov 18 19:45:45 <chrisa> Hurray for someone doing a backup app for messages
Nov 18 19:45:56 <chrisa> I reflash my device constantly and always lose sms/aim/etc logs
Nov 18 19:46:22 <en0x> good look with restoring the backup
Nov 18 19:46:22 <en0x> ;]
Nov 18 19:46:27 <atlanta> en0x:  grrrr my app store not wokring
Nov 18 19:46:35 <en0x> chrisa, be the first one who will play with the backup app!
Nov 18 19:46:49 <atlanta> LMFAOo
Nov 18 19:46:53 <atlanta> go for it chrisa
Nov 18 19:46:56 <chrisa> Ah, hmm. No import?
Nov 18 19:47:00 <atlanta> LMFAO
Nov 18 19:47:06 <atlanta> en0x: point proven
Nov 18 19:47:07 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 19:47:11 <en0x> right
Nov 18 19:47:11 <chrisa> I flew too close to the sun
Nov 18 19:47:11 <en0x> :0
Nov 18 19:47:32 <en0x> was it released yet?
Nov 18 19:47:56 <zsoc_wirc> chrisa: texts are all in 1 database... you can just copy it over
Nov 18 19:48:09 <en0x> yes
Nov 18 19:48:13 <en0x> in PalmDatabase.db3
Nov 18 19:48:13 <en0x> ;)
Nov 18 19:48:16 <chrisa> Yes, sort of
Nov 18 19:48:20 <chrisa> That db can change often
Nov 18 19:48:23 <chrisa> (internally)
Nov 18 19:48:34 <chrisa> So I don't trust just copying and restoring it
Nov 18 19:48:57 <en0x> atlanta, http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/212309-running-bash-sh-scripts-webos-app.html told ya its a script
Nov 18 19:49:19 <atlanta> did you read through the thread
Nov 18 19:49:20 <atlanta> ?
Nov 18 19:49:20 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 19:49:37 <chrisa> oh, I thought he was actually going through the tables and exporting or something
Nov 18 19:49:40 <chrisa> I am less jazzed now
Nov 18 19:49:59 <en0x> atlanta, no:P
Nov 18 19:50:25 <zsoc_wirc> that's not a bad idea tho
Nov 18 19:50:55 <en0x> anyway good luck in backing up text messages and importing them
Nov 18 19:50:56 <en0x> ;)
Nov 18 19:51:20 * chrisa cries
Nov 18 19:52:10 <atlanta> zsoc_wirc: what isnt
Nov 18 19:52:10 <atlanta> ?
Nov 18 19:52:12 <en0x> atlanta, http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/212309-running-bash-sh-scripts-webos-app-4.html#post2046350 interesting
Nov 18 19:53:05 <atlanta> en0x: wow this guy
Nov 18 19:53:10 <en0x> Yes, I am tarballing the databases. I may do table extraction at a later time...namely for contact migration to Gmail, but for right now that is the avenue I am taking for backups.
Nov 18 19:53:20 <en0x> ;]
Nov 18 19:54:54 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 19:54:58 <atlanta> interesting
Nov 18 19:55:07 <atlanta> yea it poses a issue point blank
Nov 18 19:56:12 <Mousey> where is the browser configuration stored?
Nov 18 19:56:26 <zsoc_wirc> atlanta: exporting tables
Nov 18 19:56:49 <en0x> zsoc_wirc, exporting is easy
Nov 18 19:56:49 <en0x> :)
Nov 18 19:57:02 <atlanta> zsoc_wirc: yea it isnt i created the queries to export text messages
Nov 18 19:57:04 <en0x> things get fuzzy when u try to import them :)
Nov 18 19:57:26 <en0x> anyway i'm not gonna repeat myself about this issue
Nov 18 19:57:36 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 19:57:37 <en0x> if u want to read what i said read the logs from toay
Nov 18 19:57:38 <en0x> today
Nov 18 19:57:39 <en0x> :p
Nov 18 19:57:41 <atlanta> :-)
Nov 18 19:58:58 <en0x> echo ".mode insert" > cookies; sqlite3 -init cookies /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3 'select * from com_palm_pim_Message' >/tmp/messages.sql;rm cookie
Nov 18 19:59:01 <en0x> :)
Nov 18 19:59:06 <AtomicPlayboy> pmnetconfigmanager
Nov 18 20:00:08 <AtomicPlayboy> /etc/event.d/PmNetConfigManager
Nov 18 20:00:20 <AtomicPlayboy> Found it, thank you atlanta.
Nov 18 20:00:34 <atlanta> no problem
Nov 18 20:00:53 <en0x> hmm
Nov 18 20:00:57 <atlanta> en0x: what is that for
Nov 18 20:00:58 <atlanta> >/?
Nov 18 20:01:56 <en0x> just testing my dump mode from bash
Nov 18 20:02:17 <grndslm> just testing it in irc?
Nov 18 20:02:31 <en0x> so you can just run a script ot dump tables instead of doing sqlite palmdatabase.db3 and then giving commands
Nov 18 20:03:14 <grndslm> if you say so
Nov 18 20:03:25 <grndslm> how do i start programming on webOS?
Nov 18 20:03:28 <grndslm> i've already got the sdk
Nov 18 20:03:37 <grndslm> where's the rest?
Nov 18 20:03:39 <en0x> if u dont know how to start
Nov 18 20:03:42 <grndslm> besides the emulator
Nov 18 20:03:49 <en0x> then u should probably not be doing it
Nov 18 20:03:50 <en0x> :D
Nov 18 20:03:52 * en0x hides
Nov 18 20:04:08 <atlanta> LMFAOO
Nov 18 20:04:12 <atlanta> what a dick wad
Nov 18 20:04:13 <atlanta> lol
Nov 18 20:04:23 <grndslm> i know to look at palm.com somewhere, but i want the dummy version
Nov 18 20:04:34 <grndslm> i'm super-dumb
Nov 18 20:04:38 <atlanta> lmfao
Nov 18 20:04:39 <en0x> i c
Nov 18 20:04:44 <atlanta>  damn i might have to agree with en0x then
Nov 18 20:04:57 <atlanta> http://webos.templarian.com/
Nov 18 20:05:08 <atlanta> you atleast have to have confidence guy
Nov 18 20:05:22 <en0x> well
Nov 18 20:05:24 <grndslm> yea, i'm just playin'... i just like my instructions straight to the point
Nov 18 20:05:29 <en0x> create a webpage in dreamwear
Nov 18 20:05:36 <en0x> and upload it to emulator and run it
Nov 18 20:05:36 <atlanta> komodo plus templerian plugin is the BOMB!
Nov 18 20:05:36 <en0x> ;d
Nov 18 20:05:37 <grndslm> plus i've never really done anything more than c & c++
Nov 18 20:05:39 <en0x> same thing
Nov 18 20:06:09 <en0x> do a "my homepage" app
Nov 18 20:06:11 <en0x> :D
Nov 18 20:06:16 <en0x> lol i better go
Nov 18 20:06:36 <grndslm> so, you just type in text files... with some images... and package it up somehow?
Nov 18 20:06:39 <grndslm> then toss it on the emulator?
Nov 18 20:06:44 <atlanta> lmfaoo
Nov 18 20:06:47 <atlanta> yup drag and drop
Nov 18 20:06:50 <atlanta> no lol
Nov 18 20:06:58 <atlanta> developer.palm.com
Nov 18 20:07:05 <atlanta> learn the structure and how apps work first
Nov 18 20:07:05 <grndslm> no
Nov 18 20:07:14 <grndslm> :(
Nov 18 20:07:19 <en0x> he wanted a dummy app
Nov 18 20:07:24 <grndslm> heh
Nov 18 20:07:26 <en0x> so i said to create a homepage
Nov 18 20:07:29 <en0x> :)
Nov 18 20:07:31 <grndslm> yea
Nov 18 20:07:35 <grndslm> that is a good start
Nov 18 20:07:45 <en0x> *g*
Nov 18 20:08:03 <grndslm> gangsta
Nov 18 20:11:40 * en0x can't stop laughing
Nov 18 20:13:20 <AtomicPlayboy> Okay, so now I need to figure out what uses pmnetconfig
Nov 18 20:13:38 <grndslm> heh... i love this:
Nov 18 20:13:40 <grndslm> * chuqui has quit (Success)
Nov 18 20:13:46 <grndslm> Success!
Nov 18 20:14:17 <AtomicPlayboy> Why were we trying to kick chuq out?
Nov 18 20:14:23 <zsoc_wirc> kesne-school: they will take your phone away. better hide it
Nov 18 20:14:59 <kesne-school> not phone
Nov 18 20:15:01 <kesne-school> laptop
Nov 18 20:15:11 <kesne-school> AND: I have two phones anyway
Nov 18 20:15:14 <kesne-school> Pre and Pixi
Nov 18 20:15:20 <kesne-school> two chances, y'see?
Nov 18 20:17:00 <en0x> atlanta, is the backup app out yet? :P
Nov 18 20:17:09 <atlanta> not yet
Nov 18 20:17:14 <en0x> :(
Nov 18 20:17:59 <atlanta> the mojo is
Nov 18 20:18:02 <atlanta> i cant find the services
Nov 18 20:18:21 <en0x> i think that its not written yet
Nov 18 20:19:06 <AtomicPlayboy> AHA
Nov 18 20:19:32 <AtomicPlayboy> You reek ah!
Nov 18 20:20:17 <en0x> :}
Nov 18 20:20:26 <en0x> kesne-school, and hows the pixi?
Nov 18 20:20:26 <en0x> :>
Nov 18 20:20:58 <kesne-school> I love ny pixi
Nov 18 20:21:13 <en0x> mhm
Nov 18 20:21:22 <gkatsev> kesne-school: so, both pixi and pre now?
Nov 18 20:21:31 <kesne-school> And a hero
Nov 18 20:21:43 <gkatsev> so many phones...
Nov 18 20:21:48 <en0x> so with which one u f.. more now?
Nov 18 20:22:26 <kesne-school> hah
Nov 18 20:22:32 <kesne-school> I like the pre
Nov 18 20:22:37 <kesne-school> It's my main phone
Nov 18 20:22:42 <kesne-school> hero == buisness
Nov 18 20:22:54 <mumbles> my pre works now
Nov 18 20:23:18 <kesne-school> ~smack mumbles
Nov 18 20:23:20 * infobot smacks mumbles upside the head.
Nov 18 20:23:28 <kesne-school> ~botsnack
Nov 18 20:23:30 <infobot> kesne-school: thanks
Nov 18 20:26:07 <kesne-school> infobot: damn straight
Nov 18 20:26:09 * infobot damns straight to the bowels of bloody hell forever.
Nov 18 20:26:28 <kesne-school> whoah
Nov 18 20:26:28 <kesne-school> thats a command?
Nov 18 20:26:33 <kesne-school> infobot: damn oil
Nov 18 20:26:35 * infobot damns oil to the bowels of bloody hell forever.
Nov 18 20:26:39 <kesne-school> YES!
Nov 18 20:27:00 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 18 20:27:05 <gkatsev> infobot: damn kesne-school
Nov 18 20:27:06 * infobot damns kesne-school to the bowels of bloody hell forever.
Nov 18 20:27:14 <kesne-school> ~smack infobot
Nov 18 20:27:16 * infobot smacks infobot upside the head.
Nov 18 20:27:20 <kesne-school> hah!
Nov 18 20:27:36 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 18 20:27:41 <gkatsev> ~whip kesne-school
Nov 18 20:27:42 * infobot takes kesne-school outside to be thoroughly whipped by gkatsev
Nov 18 20:27:45 <en0x> ~stab kesne-school
Nov 18 20:27:46 * infobot runs at kesne-school with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
Nov 18 20:27:52 <en0x> ;]
Nov 18 20:27:55 <gkatsev> haha
Nov 18 20:28:00 <gkatsev> !botsnack
Nov 18 20:28:03 <gkatsev> ~botsnack
Nov 18 20:28:03 <infobot> gkatsev: :)
Nov 18 20:28:03 <kesne-school> ~kick en0x
Nov 18 20:28:05 * infobot kicks en0x
Nov 18 20:28:08 <gkatsev> infobot++
Nov 18 20:28:25 <kesne-school> fail?
Nov 18 20:28:34 <en0x> ~slap kesne-school
Nov 18 20:28:35 * infobot slaps kesne-school, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
Nov 18 20:28:43 <gkatsev> ~about
Nov 18 20:28:44 <infobot> http://www.infobot.org/ - /msg infobot help for a list of commands - http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html for a guide
Nov 18 20:28:59 <kesne-school> infobot: damn en0x
Nov 18 20:29:01 * infobot damns en0x to the bowels of bloody hell forever.
Nov 18 20:29:05 <kesne-school> ~botsnack
Nov 18 20:29:06 <infobot> :), kesne-school
Nov 18 20:29:20 <gkatsev> i guess karma was disabled
Nov 18 20:29:30 <kesne-school> Yeah it was
Nov 18 20:29:32 <kesne-school> unfortunetly
Nov 18 20:29:52 <gkatsev> infobot: join #webos-watercooler
Nov 18 20:29:57 <gkatsev> aww
Nov 18 20:30:01 <gkatsev> he's not allowed there
Nov 18 20:30:09 <AtomicPlayboy> Okay that failed.
Nov 18 20:30:09 <gkatsev> s/he/she/
Nov 18 20:30:11 <infobot> gkatsev meant: she's not allowed there
Nov 18 20:30:22 <kesne-school> infobot: join #webos
Nov 18 20:30:38 <kesne-school> Not allowed in webos either?
Nov 18 20:30:41 <kesne-school> Why not! :O
Nov 18 20:30:49 <gkatsev> perhaps you have to be the owner of the bot
Nov 18 20:30:55 <kesne-school> hmm
Nov 18 20:33:00 <gkatsev> ~beeper
Nov 18 20:33:01 <infobot> Play simple music on your PC's built-in speaker.. URL: http://www.infa.abo.fi/~raine/pub/software/beeper/
Nov 18 20:33:09 <gkatsev> ~Big Ben
Nov 18 20:33:10 <infobot> Spiffy themed clock. URL: http://ethereal.net/~wampa/
Nov 18 20:33:41 <gkatsev> infobot: tell kesne-school Blackbox
Nov 18 20:33:51 <gkatsev> infobot: kesne-school Blackbox
Nov 18 20:34:22 <gkatsev> infobot: reply kesne-school Blackbox
Nov 18 20:34:23 <infobot> kesne-school Blackbox
Nov 18 20:34:31 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 18 20:35:14 <mumbles> kesne-school:  ouch
Nov 18 20:36:17 <gkatsev> infobot: Blackbox
Nov 18 20:36:18 <infobot> i heard blackbox is a very simple and light window manager: http://blackbox.alug.org
Nov 18 20:36:27 <gkatsev> infobot: ACUA
Nov 18 20:36:28 <infobot> . URL: http://acua.ebbs.com.au/
Nov 18 20:36:29 <Marajin> heh
Nov 18 20:37:11 <gkatsev> ~Boston
Nov 18 20:37:12 <infobot> More than a feeeeeeeeeeeeelinnnggggg
Nov 18 20:37:18 <gkatsev> infobot: Boston
Nov 18 20:37:37 <grndslm> infobot: Boston
Nov 18 20:37:38 <infobot> More than a feeeeeeeeeeeeelinnnggggg
Nov 18 20:37:38 <gkatsev> infobot: weather boston
Nov 18 20:37:41 <infobot> I can't find station code "BOSTON" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).
Nov 18 20:37:55 <gkatsev> http://www.infobot.org/factpacks/
Nov 18 20:38:37 <gkatsev> ~buad
Nov 18 20:38:46 <gkatsev> ~baud
Nov 18 20:38:47 <infobot> baud is probably The measure of how frequently sound changes on a phone line. Thisused to be the measure of speed of modems because they worked by bruteforce and actually made a sound for each bit of information. Now, modemswork on a more sophisticated level. A 14.4 Kbps modem actually uses 2400baud, but can transmit 14.4 Kbps.
Nov 18 20:39:14 <kesne-school> Tim is a source on the webos wikipedia!
Nov 18 20:39:22 <kesne-school> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebOS
Nov 18 20:44:37 <AtomicPlayboy> Okay, somehow I need to figure out how to make PmWiFiService or PmWiFiDriver to default to MSCHAP instead of TTLS
Nov 18 20:45:59 <evictme> jdjdj
Nov 18 20:48:24 <whoDat_> is mytether working on 1.3.1?
Nov 18 20:48:39 <gkatsev> i heard its not.
Nov 18 20:48:49 <gkatsev> also, PuffTheMagic is working on freeTether
Nov 18 20:48:55 <PreGame_Pre> I'm having issue with webos stopping functions that are taking longer than 10 seconds to parse data.
Nov 18 20:49:08 <WillJitsu> I was using bluetooth tethering last night. I don't believe wifi is working yet though.
Nov 18 20:49:39 <PreGame_Pre> anyone else noticing this?
Nov 18 20:50:33 <rwhitby> morning
Nov 18 20:51:43 <rwhitby> PreGame_Pre: that's probably why themes were hanging in Preware before oil revamped the list processing to make it an order of magnitude faster.
Nov 18 20:51:50 <cashen> top of the mornin'
Nov 18 20:52:09 <AnOutsider> afternoon
Nov 18 20:52:41 <AnOutsider> rwhitby: gotta set up the test feed in preware so I can test categories. Lost it after the old pre died
Nov 18 20:58:22 <kesne-school> i do meth
Nov 18 20:58:29 <kesne-school> ugh
Nov 18 20:58:38 <kesne-school> wrong channel (grins)
Nov 18 20:59:45 <PreGame_Pre> thanks rod.  any ideas how he accomplished this?
Nov 18 21:02:48 <gkatsev> ~smack kesne-school
Nov 18 21:02:49 * infobot smacks kesne-school upside the head.
Nov 18 21:02:56 <gkatsev> ~botsnack
Nov 18 21:02:56 <infobot> gkatsev: aw, gee
Nov 18 21:03:14 <Rick_work> Guys, can we play when there aren't real questions on the floor?
Nov 18 21:03:52 <Rick_work> PreGame_Pre not sure, we can ask him later or look at the preware code
Nov 18 21:04:54 <PreGame_Pre> k. I am really curious as it seems this 10 second time out issue is what is causing filecoaster to have issues.
Nov 18 21:10:07 <oil> preware was just doing a lot of unnecessary looping through the entire package list
Nov 18 21:10:42 <oil> i used a prototype hash to create an associative array for reverse-lookups
Nov 18 21:13:23 <oil> that and changed the code that builds the grouping lists
Nov 18 21:13:39 <PreGame_Pre> english please?  I have a data parsing function then a function to add it to a list but its stopping half way throug the list because it reaches 10 from when the initial function was called
Nov 18 21:14:00 <oil> idk if filecoaster has the problem
Nov 18 21:14:16 <oil> but preware uses the package's reverse-dns as the unique value
Nov 18 21:14:21 <PreGame_Pre> it does. the issue is the 10 timeout
Nov 18 21:14:37 <oil> but its stored in the packages array as 0->package 1->package
Nov 18 21:14:48 <oil> i was looping the array looking for a package withthe same id
Nov 18 21:14:52 <oil> on each package load
Nov 18 21:15:07 <oil> i created an associative array of package ids to tell me quickly if the package was already loaded
Nov 18 21:15:42 <oil> instead of looping through the array looking for it
Nov 18 21:15:48 <PreGame_Pre> so you have caching?
Nov 18 21:15:53 <oil> not really
Nov 18 21:16:15 <oil> and, i've got to get back to work, lunch is over
Nov 18 21:16:22 <oil> ill be back in like 4 hours or so
Nov 18 21:16:23 <whoDat_> fyi preware does not link the filemgr service to the internalz install
Nov 18 21:16:43 <oil> whoDat_: probably a feed problem
Nov 18 21:16:47 <rwhitby> whoDat_: yes, you need to get Jason to add the Depends: line to the Internals meta-data.
Nov 18 21:16:54 <oil> if internalz doesn't list hte filemgr service as a dependency
Nov 18 21:17:07 * oil will bbl
Nov 18 21:23:13 <epyon> for some reason mvapp wont move any of my apps due to an attribute setting
Nov 18 21:23:34 <epyon> what attribute should i be specifically looking for that shouldnt be there?
Nov 18 21:31:09 <nuglas> hihi
Nov 18 21:33:49 <xorg> epyon: does the mvapp doctor command say you have 'var used' below 100MB, if so you don't need to move more.
Nov 18 21:34:06 <epyon> it does and i havent been able to move any thing
Nov 18 21:34:11 <xorg> some apps are not able to move, mvapp properly deals with it
Nov 18 21:34:14 <epyon> every thing gives the attribute
Nov 18 21:34:18 <epyon> problem
Nov 18 21:35:09 <epyon> xorg: i ran through the whole thing and no app was able to move
Nov 18 21:35:09 <xorg> paste the mvapp doctor report here (or on the thread)...
Nov 18 21:35:09 <xorg> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/212349-solution-app-catalog-limit-symbolic-link-method-7.html
Nov 18 21:36:39 <rwhitby> xorg: I wonder if mvapp 'doctor' should be renamed mvapp 'wizard' so that people don't get scared thinking that it might run the webOS doctor or something like that ...
Nov 18 21:37:14 <epyon> xorg: pm'ed you didnt want to spam the channel
Nov 18 21:40:24 <epyon> xorg: ?
Nov 18 21:41:14 <rwhitby> http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/new-in-labs-green-robot-icon.html <- we need to work out how to get a green Tux in there ...
Nov 18 21:41:20 <xorg> rod, i have renamed it to 'diag', which will be in the next version
Nov 18 21:42:03 <epyon> rwhitby: awesome lol
Nov 18 21:42:36 <xorg> epyon:  I don't see the PM yet
Nov 18 21:43:27 <xorg> oh.. got it
Nov 18 21:43:36 <freakout> Morning.
Nov 18 21:43:42 <epyon> maybe it wont go through cause its too many lines
Nov 18 21:43:50 <freakout> rwhitby: Is that backup app that PC posted about in Preware?
Nov 18 21:50:37 <AtomicPlayboy> rwhitby: How much you know about hacking PmWiFiService?
Nov 18 21:50:42 <AtomicPlayboy> or PmWiFiDriver?
Nov 18 21:54:46 <Decimation> hey guys, was wondering if you could help me with an SDK problem?
Nov 18 21:55:21 <cashen> rwhitbey: +1 for the green tux!
Nov 18 21:55:58 <Decimation> everytime try to use any palm-... command, i get this
Nov 18 21:55:58 <Decimation> http://screensnapr.com/u/evo6gb.png
Nov 18 21:58:23 <gkatsev> Decimation: java is not in your PATH.
Nov 18 21:59:36 <rwhitby> freakout: we're packaging it and doing final security reviews.  it's in the git repos.
Nov 18 21:59:51 <rwhitby> AtomicPlayboy: nothing much
Nov 18 22:00:35 <hmagoo> epyon, is media/internal owned by root or did you change it?
Nov 18 22:02:32 <epyon> hmagoo how can i tell?
Nov 18 22:02:40 <cashen> why cant i add a feed in PW?
Nov 18 22:03:05 <gkatsev> cat /etc/fstab
Nov 18 22:04:18 <epyon> whats root 1000?
Nov 18 22:05:49 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 18 22:05:51 <epyon> its owned by uid 1001
Nov 18 22:06:45 <xorg> yup, that probably the issue.. root id should be 0
Nov 18 22:07:02 <epyon> how do i change that
Nov 18 22:07:42 <xorg> grep root /etc/passwd
Nov 18 22:07:49 <xorg> does it show 0:0
Nov 18 22:07:49 <xorg> ?
Nov 18 22:08:27 <epyon> yah its in the middle there
Nov 18 22:08:34 <xorg> cd /media
Nov 18 22:08:41 <xorg> ls -ld /media/internal
Nov 18 22:08:47 <xorg> if not root
Nov 18 22:08:56 <epyon> yeah not root
Nov 18 22:09:06 <xorg> chown root /media/internal
Nov 18 22:09:22 <hmagoo> you probably did this, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Make_USB_Partition_Writable_via_SFTP so undo it. ;)
Nov 18 22:09:35 <epyon> yeah
Nov 18 22:09:38 <epyon> that makes sense
Nov 18 22:10:09 <epyon> not permitted? as root?
Nov 18 22:11:06 <epyon> whats a normal fstab look like
Nov 18 22:11:11 <epyon> i need to edit that back
Nov 18 22:11:30 <hmagoo> I think I just made it look like the other entries
Nov 18 22:11:53 <xorg> epyon: /dev/mapper/store-media /media/internal vfat    utf8,shortname=mixed    0      0
Nov 18 22:12:13 <hmagoo> is there a website somewhere to lookup MEID numbers?
Nov 18 22:12:15 <epyon> ok so just remove uid and gid things
Nov 18 22:13:09 <epyon> dang its in r not rw
Nov 18 22:13:10 <epyon> lol
Nov 18 22:13:49 <hmagoo> no pouch with the replacement pre, so I had to insure that too?
Nov 18 22:15:14 <AtomicPlayboy> I love rebooting my Pre via SSH. I don't know why.
Nov 18 22:15:37 <epyon> sweet worked
Nov 18 22:15:40 <epyon> thx alot guys
Nov 18 22:15:51 <xorg> cool
Nov 18 22:16:05 <epyon> yeah so if somoen else has that happen
Nov 18 22:16:19 <hmagoo> xorg, thought you said you were going to note that problem somewhere...
Nov 18 22:16:28 <gkatsev> AtomicPlayboy: hehe, yeah
Nov 18 22:16:47 <xorg> hmagoo: the root ownership issue?
Nov 18 22:16:52 <hmagoo> yeah
Nov 18 22:17:07 <xorg> hmagoo:  i'll be checking for it now, in next version
Nov 18 22:17:18 <hmagoo> awesome thanks
Nov 18 22:20:33 <epyon> hmm ipkg uses var too?
Nov 18 22:21:50 <Decimation> gkatsev: just got back, what do you mean its not in my path?
Nov 18 22:23:12 <gkatsev> Decimation: java isnt in the system path. so, palm-install or w/e cant run its stuff
Nov 18 22:24:18 <gkatsev> Decimation: "echo %PATH%"
Nov 18 22:27:27 <xorg> hmagoo:  i've added a check for root ownership on /media/internal in the diagnostics check
Nov 18 22:27:35 <xorg> will be posted in next version
Nov 18 22:28:18 <xorg> there is a new app limit issue though...
Nov 18 22:28:39 <xorg> some can't install apps even though 'var used' is below 100mb and fair dinkum is installed
Nov 18 22:28:42 <xorg> i'm not able to duplicate the issue
Nov 18 22:32:39 <epyon> do i need pearl5 for any thing?
Nov 18 22:34:03 <gkatsev> irssi?
Nov 18 22:34:18 <epyon> dont have that installed any more
Nov 18 22:36:39 <epyon> git need?
Nov 18 22:36:44 <epyon> *needed
Nov 18 22:39:50 <chrisa> It's perl by the way
Nov 18 22:40:03 <epyon> yeah noticed that
Nov 18 22:40:07 <epyon> only needed it for quilt
Nov 18 22:40:11 <epyon> but i didnt need that either
Nov 18 22:40:25 <epyon> im still chillin at like 95 megs though
Nov 18 22:40:34 <epyon> optware takes up alot of space
Nov 18 22:42:37 <zsoc> ... optware itself takes up very little space
Nov 18 22:42:39 <rwhitby> epyon: most people don't need anything from optware these days
Nov 18 22:43:33 <epyon> rwhitby lol i guess ive had my pre too long then i remember when optware was the only way to get things on it
Nov 18 22:43:59 <rwhitby> epyon: yep, we've come a long way since then :-)
Nov 18 22:45:50 <epyon> yeah preware is awesome
Nov 18 22:46:09 <preston> oc80z, can you still help me with my email problem?
Nov 18 22:46:35 <A2NY> is there any omap bootloader for windows ?
Nov 18 22:47:51 <AtomicPlayboy> EUREEKA or something.
Nov 18 22:48:01 <AtomicPlayboy> I got it to connect to my work wifi network by reloading wpa_supplicant.
Nov 18 22:50:51 <preston> does anyone in here know how to force pre's email app to accept invalid security certificates?
Nov 18 22:51:24 <chrisa> Email the cert to the device, or copy it to media/internel
Nov 18 22:51:31 <chrisa> Then go to device info's menu -> certs
Nov 18 22:51:33 <chrisa> and add it
Nov 18 22:51:41 <chrisa> *internal
Nov 18 22:51:55 <preston> i tried that, but i still get the same error.
Nov 18 22:52:20 <chrisa> Are you sure it's a valid cert? I've even used a generic dovecot generated one just fine
Nov 18 22:53:01 <preston> it's valid, but it's self-signed, which seems to be a problem for the phone.
Nov 18 22:53:11 <chrisa> no, I'm talking self signed
Nov 18 22:53:13 <epyon> yay app store stuff can be installed
Nov 18 22:53:29 <chrisa> I use a cert generated/signed on my own domain without issue
Nov 18 22:53:54 <Marajin> preston: I use self-signed at work, it's fine
Nov 18 22:54:05 <hmagoo> grr, is it normal to have to wait for a data connection when activating
Nov 18 22:54:48 <chrisa> hmagoo: usually pops up pretty quickly
Nov 18 22:55:12 <AtomicPlayboy> rwhitby: ping
Nov 18 22:55:23 <preston> before 1.3.1, the email app didn't have a problem, so it must be something with the update that made it start giving me errors.
Nov 18 22:56:08 <hmagoo> trying to sign into the palm profile and it keeps saying "need to be connected to network" blah blah
Nov 18 22:57:05 <epyon> reset the phone and try again
Nov 18 22:57:19 <epyon> that happened a bunch of times at the sprint store for me and my dad's pre
Nov 18 22:57:22 <chrisa> Are you in a bad signal area?
Nov 18 22:57:46 <hmagoo> usually get data at home
Nov 18 22:58:31 <silentchild> if you just got the phone you need to call sprint and have them activate it
Nov 18 22:58:43 <hmagoo> there is no data icon on the blue page
Nov 18 22:58:57 <hmagoo> yeah just went through activation, wouldn't get to this screen unless it was activated
Nov 18 22:59:30 <Marajin> doesn't activation use SMS? I thought it did
Nov 18 22:59:40 <egaudet_work> rwhitby, I noticed yesterday I got a problem installing the vkb via preware (I needed to update feeds), but Preware reported no issues.  Preware never prompted the confirmation dialog, it simly went from me hitting install to it popping up "need to restart luna ok/later" dialog.  I looked at ipkg log and saw the wget failure (if I remember correctly).  I quickly updated feeds and it fixed it, but it may cause confusion for users if Prewar
Nov 18 23:01:14 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: so a wget failure did not cause an IPKG Log error?
Nov 18 23:03:04 <AtomicPlayboy> brb
Nov 18 23:03:42 <egaudet_work> I wish I spent more time looking at the error, I briefly checked the log it was all in green, and I think I remember seeing the wget report some error, which prompted me to quickly update feeds (I chalked it up as some stale ipkg data or something since I was using same version test ipk manually installing before putting it in feed)
Nov 18 23:04:22 <egaudet_work> But since others I reporting similar issues I'm thinking that it may be the same thing.  Could it be a feed switch (1.2.1 to 1.3.1) type of issue?
Nov 18 23:04:47 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: ok, sounds like we need to regexp look for that error text if ipkg is not giving a fail status for it.
Nov 18 23:05:49 <egaudet_work> yea, hopefully we can get someone with the current issue to give us the ipkg log
Nov 18 23:06:06 <egaudet_work> I'll try to reproduce it when I get a chance as well
Nov 18 23:06:14 <spunks3> what are the settings for wIRC to connect?
Nov 18 23:06:21 <A2NY> does anyone have the omap windows software available ?
Nov 18 23:07:35 <spunks3> I can't seem to get it to connect
Nov 18 23:07:49 <spunks3> I'm usong webchat.freenode.net
Nov 18 23:08:21 <egaudet_work> irc.freenode.net
Nov 18 23:09:04 <spunks3> what about in advance?
Nov 18 23:10:20 <spunks3> I had it the other day but the settings didn't save
Nov 18 23:11:43 <egaudet_work> you don't 'need' anything else in advanced just to connect
Nov 18 23:12:16 <AtomicPlayboy> +/win 7
Nov 18 23:12:19 <AtomicPlayboy> Whoops
Nov 18 23:13:14 <Spunks3> hmmm so alias is freenode and address is irc.freenode.net, then I choose a nickname?
Nov 18 23:14:58 <Spunks3> won't connect
Nov 18 23:15:18 <egaudet_work> what does it say
Nov 18 23:15:42 <egaudet_work> join #wirc
Nov 18 23:16:21 <egaudet_work> I gotta head out, get some linner, run some errands, bbl
Nov 18 23:16:23 <Spunks3> it says connecting
Nov 18 23:16:29 <Spunks3> then disconected
Nov 18 23:17:16 <egaudet_work> make sure internet is connected (if you chose preferred interface, make sure that is available) and make sure service is running.
Nov 18 23:17:17 <egaudet_work> bbl
Nov 18 23:20:14 <justaguy_> rwhitby: i was finally able to ssh into the pixi over the evdo
Nov 18 23:20:43 <epyon> how is the pixi?
Nov 18 23:22:30 <justaguy_> other than no wifi its just like the pre
Nov 18 23:22:45 <justaguy_> operates pretty much the same
Nov 18 23:23:19 <epyon> not bad
Nov 18 23:23:31 <justaguy_> i like it, but its my gfs
Nov 18 23:23:38 <justaguy_> ive got the pre
Nov 18 23:23:46 <justaguy_> she had an iphone and she likes  the pixi better
Nov 18 23:24:02 <epyon> really thats interesting
Nov 18 23:24:42 <justaguy_> she doesnt like the kb on the iphone and likes the actual buttons on the pixi
Nov 18 23:24:57 <epyon> yeah thats what i hear from most ppl
Nov 18 23:25:22 <justaguy_> so easy to make typo on the iphone
Nov 18 23:25:41 <justaguy_> spend more time correcting than actually messaging
Nov 18 23:26:01 <justaguy_> i PREfer the kb too
Nov 18 23:26:35 <epyon> same
Nov 18 23:26:38 <justaguy_> my last phone was an ic902
Nov 18 23:27:52 <grndslm> i really should go check out my sprint store tomorrow
Nov 18 23:27:58 <grndslm> really need to play with the clicky kb
Nov 18 23:28:20 <chrisa> I like the pixi keyboard more than pre's by far
Nov 18 23:28:40 <chrisa> But I just use whatever has the more interesting build at work
Nov 18 23:28:42 <justaguy_> so far it seems more clicky
Nov 18 23:29:13 <justaguy_> i think after using it for a while it will be less clicky
Nov 18 23:29:44 <chrisa> It actually stays pretty clicky, but I like that
Nov 18 23:29:46 <konsoleX> has anyone ran all the framework .js files through google's closure compiler? any effect?
Nov 18 23:31:57 <rwhitby> justaguy_: glad you got it to work.
Nov 18 23:32:26 <justaguy_> rwhitby: the wosqi will not install the gnu patch and diffstat
Nov 18 23:32:38 <zsoc> What's the most effective way to compile a java file into a jar?
Nov 18 23:32:38 <justaguy_> when i hit the tweak menu
Nov 18 23:32:39 <rwhitby> justaguy_: correct.  Use Preware.
Nov 18 23:32:44 <justaguy_> ok
Nov 18 23:32:58 <rwhitby> wosqi has not been updated for Pixi patching
Nov 18 23:33:35 <justaguy_> before i removed everything it was working with it, i removed all apps and patches from the pixi with woqi
Nov 18 23:34:12 <justaguy_> then started over with the bootstrap leading me to ssh into it
Nov 18 23:34:41 <Klubhead> Hola fellas
Nov 18 23:36:02 <Klubhead> anyone here?
Nov 18 23:36:07 <mumbles> sql is hard
Nov 18 23:37:12 <Klubhead> can anyone here help me out w/ a preware installation problem?
Nov 18 23:38:04 <justaguy_> post it
Nov 18 23:39:06 <Mousey> anybody know where the browser settings are stored?
Nov 18 23:40:12 <Klubhead> k, i installed the package manager service through quick install, let it do its thang (restarting java/service and what not), then installed preware also through quick install.. when i go to open preware, i get this error: http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/webos-internals/37272d1258583098-preware-preware_2009-18-11_172133.png
Nov 18 23:40:21 <Mousey> thx
Nov 18 23:40:25 <Mousey> oh, nm
Nov 18 23:40:47 <sslow> been away (moving) for a few days, any word on 1.3.1.Dr.
Nov 18 23:41:18 <Mousey> yah, i still can't get into my ssl sites
Nov 18 23:41:26 <Mousey> nor can i login into slashdot
Nov 18 23:41:57 <rwhitby> Klubhead: hi
Nov 18 23:42:13 <rwhitby> Klubhead: do you have command line access to your Pre using WebOS Quick Install?
Nov 18 23:42:41 <Klubhead> hey, i never tried using command line at all
Nov 18 23:42:53 <Klubhead> if its something simple i can do it right now
Nov 18 23:43:06 <Azalyn> does preware have a search feature?
Nov 18 23:43:15 <AtomicPlayboy> Yes.
Nov 18 23:43:16 <justaguy_> Azalyn: yes list all
Nov 18 23:43:17 <AtomicPlayboy> "List of Everything"
Nov 18 23:43:21 <AtomicPlayboy> Type in what yo'ure looking for.
Nov 18 23:43:41 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, ping
Nov 18 23:43:56 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Nov 18 23:44:29 <rwhitby> Klubhead: are you able to connect to your Pre using WebOS Quick Install?
Nov 18 23:44:36 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, i need help compiling a 2 .java into a .jar used for this service. Should I invest learning in Eclipse or is there some other option here?
Nov 18 23:44:46 <Klubhead> yes it connects just fine
Nov 18 23:44:55 <rwhitby> Azalyn: Preware tells you how to search in the splash screen that comes up when you install Preware.
Nov 18 23:45:13 <rwhitby> Klubhead: can you use the Linux command line menu item in WebOS Quick Install ?
Nov 18 23:45:50 <Klubhead> i never have before, i've always been a little iffy on command line kind of stuff
Nov 18 23:45:52 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: look at the ant build scripts in ipkgservice
Nov 18 23:46:01 <sslow> so do I have to dr to 1.2.1 then update?
Nov 18 23:46:35 <rwhitby> zsoc: I can turn the gstservice repo into an Eclipse project just like ipkgservice if you like, including the build.xml files that PuffTheMagic is referring ot.
Nov 18 23:46:37 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, the build script is in the git somewhere i suppose?
Nov 18 23:46:38 <avengre> Hello all... Is there a way to put all the installed 'patches' to an uninstalled state so I can reapply them with the newest Palmpre update?
Nov 18 23:46:42 <justaguy_> Klubhead: just open it and follow rwhitbys instructions
Nov 18 23:46:53 <zsoc> rwhitby, yes but then wouldn't i have to commit each time i wanted to test a change? that would be silly
Nov 18 23:46:58 <Klubhead> will do ;)
Nov 18 23:47:11 <rwhitby> zsoc: no, you would not.  You just run Eclipse locally to compile the .jar
Nov 18 23:47:26 <rwhitby> zsoc: after you've finished testing, you commit.
Nov 18 23:47:29 <zsoc> rwhitby, oh... and eclipse.. interfaces... with the git repo.. some how?
Nov 18 23:47:51 <rwhitby> zsoc: eclipse can check out git repos containing projects directly
Nov 18 23:47:55 <zsoc> oh, but the compiling still takes place locally with eclipse. so it still involves learning something new :P
Nov 18 23:48:07 <rwhitby> yep, most things do :-)
Nov 18 23:48:19 <zsoc> is that why you know everything?
Nov 18 23:48:22 <rwhitby> zsoc: BTW, the autobuilder also uses the build.xml ant script
Nov 18 23:48:34 <rwhitby> zsoc: far from it
Nov 18 23:48:51 <avengre> Anyone run into problems with their patches having been disabled with the newest update?
Nov 18 23:49:06 <zsoc> rwhitby, i just think their should be some sort of command line way to compile... i don't need an .ipk or to install, i just need to replace the .jar generally speaking, for testing.
Nov 18 23:49:08 <rwhitby> avengre: update your feeds
Nov 18 23:49:18 <rwhitby> zsoc: there is, using ant
Nov 18 23:49:25 <A2NY> avengre: you should remove all patches before updating the system
Nov 18 23:49:33 <avengre> well, didn't know that beforehand :P
Nov 18 23:49:39 <rwhitby> Klubhead: so do you have the command line ready?
Nov 18 23:49:51 <rwhitby> avengre: run the EPR
Nov 18 23:49:58 <vicini> rwhitby, you told me to join irc to fix the problem, is this the right channel
Nov 18 23:50:01 <avengre> EPR?
Nov 18 23:50:06 <zsoc> so... in theory i could look at the ant build scripts.. and just use ant
Nov 18 23:50:26 <WillJitsu> avengre: emergency patch removal
Nov 18 23:50:29 <Klubhead> yes, i click 'tools', 'linux commandline'
Nov 18 23:50:47 <WillJitsu> avengre: it's listed in Preware
Nov 18 23:51:02 <rwhitby> vicini: yep
Nov 18 23:51:06 <konsoleX> well... i'm an idiot. i didn't back up mojo.js before overwriting it with the code output from closure (http://closure-compiler.appspot.com/home) thankfully the phone still functions. Now, to run the rest of the .js on this phone through it ;)
Nov 18 23:51:22 <rwhitby> vicini: can you use webOS Quick Install to access the linux command line?
Nov 18 23:51:25 <Klubhead> now all i see is "root@castle:" in an open box
Nov 18 23:51:39 <sslow> avengere: go to preware/list of everything/type emergency patch removal
Nov 18 23:51:55 <vicini> done
Nov 18 23:51:56 <avengre> ok i'm working on it
Nov 18 23:52:02 <rwhitby> Klubhead: great.  type (without the quotes) "ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.preware"
Nov 18 23:52:11 <rwhitby> vicini: same for you
Nov 18 23:52:38 <Klubhead> k, then hit enter?
Nov 18 23:52:42 <sslow> So no 1.3.1 Dr yet
Nov 18 23:52:42 <vicini> no such file or directory
Nov 18 23:52:57 <rwhitby> Klubhead, vicini: you both also need to go to webos.pastebin.com and be ready to cut and paste the command line you type and the output you get into that.
Nov 18 23:53:15 <rwhitby> Klubhead, vincini: now type (without the quotes) "ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice"
Nov 18 23:53:44 <rwhitby> Klubhead: yep, hit enter after each command to execute it
Nov 18 23:54:05 <Klubhead> ok, its saying " No such file or directory"
Nov 18 23:54:07 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: what was that measure or lag you mentions the other day squart root of RTT/
Nov 18 23:54:08 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Nov 18 23:54:16 <Klubhead> is that still whats suppose to be happening though?
Nov 18 23:54:22 <vicini> root@castle: ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice   -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1126 Nov 18 17:27 /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice root@castle:
Nov 18 23:55:11 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: I was joking at the time
Nov 18 23:55:21 <PuffTheMagic> oh
Nov 18 23:55:32 <PuffTheMagic> so there is no formula based on RTT that was all BS?
Nov 18 23:55:38 <rwhitby> Klubhead: yes - follow along as I tell vicini what to type.
Nov 18 23:55:43 <Klubhead> ok
Nov 18 23:55:44 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: yes.  sorry.
Nov 18 23:56:01 <rwhitby> vicini: do you know how to use webos.pastebin.com ?
Nov 18 23:56:14 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: no biggie
Nov 18 23:56:20 <vicini> no, i just brought it up, so a little coaching should teach me
Nov 18 23:56:41 <rwhitby> vicini: you paste into the text box, then hit send - it will change to a new URL which you then paste in the channel here
Nov 18 23:56:56 <rwhitby> I go and look at the URL and see what you pasted - saves clogging the channel here.
Nov 18 23:57:08 <justaguy_> Klubhead: make sure you dont use the "
Nov 18 23:57:20 <vicini> root@castle: ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice   -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1126 Nov 18 17:27 /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice root@castle:
Nov 18 23:57:27 <vicini> let me try again
Nov 18 23:57:35 <rwhitby> vicini: can you pastebin the output of "cat /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" please?
Nov 18 23:57:43 <Klubhead> im not, im trying to get a url from paste bin, im just getting a numbered sequence of the linux dialog box
Nov 18 23:58:21 <Klubhead> o yea.. looked like it worked, its on the left lol..
Nov 18 23:59:00 <Azalyn> justaguy_, AtomicPlayboy, rwhitby: thanks. i feel stupid. :|
Nov 18 23:59:02 <vicini> I click send and it creates a post, but it doesn't make a url
Nov 18 23:59:09 <atlanta> does the partial erase auto reinstall your apps after reboot
Nov 18 23:59:10 <atlanta> ?
Nov 18 23:59:11 <Azalyn> i could've sworn i tried that.. but i guess not.
Nov 18 23:59:13 <Azalyn> >.<
Nov 18 23:59:49 <Klubhead> a link to what you 'posted' goes to the top left of pastebin
Nov 18 23:59:52 <vicini> oh so is it posting to you rod?
Nov 19 00:00:24 <justaguy_> Klubhead: vicini  you need to just submit then take the url from your address bar and paste the link in here
Nov 19 00:00:41 <vicini> http://webos.pastebin.com/m3d8ad63f
Nov 19 00:00:43 <Klubhead> http://webos.pastebin.com/mf7081ff
Nov 19 00:01:00 <rwhitby> Nice article: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-installer-showdown-filecoaster-vs-preload-vs-preupdate-vs-preware-vs-webos-quick-install
Nov 19 00:01:15 <rwhitby> Klubhead, vicini: now we're cooking, thanks.
Nov 19 00:01:23 <vicini> thanks for your patience
Nov 19 00:01:54 <rwhitby> Klubhead: ok, your Package Manager Service is not installed properly.  How did you install it?
Nov 19 00:02:14 <rwhitby> vicini: it the file really only one line long?
Nov 19 00:02:31 <rwhitby> vicini: is the /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice file really only one line long?
Nov 19 00:02:48 <vicini> i will enter it again and repost
Nov 19 00:03:13 <rwhitby> vicini: the ls listing says it's 1126 characters, much more than the one line
Nov 19 00:03:18 <Klubhead> connected to quick installed, click the 3rd button down on the right, click the dropdown for web-os internals feed (all), then checked package manager service, download, install
Nov 19 00:03:20 <vicini> http://webos.pastebin.com/m74ff084c
Nov 19 00:03:23 <en0x> rwhitby, doesnt it go anymore to /var/etc/event.d?
Nov 19 00:03:32 <en0x> the org.webosinternals.ipkgservice
Nov 19 00:03:34 <en0x> mine is there
Nov 19 00:03:38 <rwhitby> en0x: upstart doesn't follow symlinks
Nov 19 00:03:46 <vicini> all i see is description "Package Manager Service"
Nov 19 00:04:04 <en0x> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1126 Nov 15 23:07 org.webosinternals.ipkgservice
Nov 19 00:04:04 <Klubhead> i dont have package manger installed right now, i have both preware and package uninstalled
Nov 19 00:04:07 <en0x> its not a symlink
Nov 19 00:04:11 <Klubhead> should in reinstall then run those commands again/
Nov 19 00:04:36 <rwhitby> vicini: pastebin the output from "grep ipkgservice /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice"
Nov 19 00:04:46 <rwhitby> Klubhead: yes
Nov 19 00:05:03 <Klubhead> k
Nov 19 00:05:12 <Bsims> I got some patches I can't update or remove
Nov 19 00:05:32 <vicini> http://webos.pastebin.com/m13042145
Nov 19 00:06:42 <Bsims> anyone have any ideas
Nov 19 00:08:02 <rwhitby> vicini: hmm - so it seems that WebOS Quick Install is not showing the right output.
Nov 19 00:08:11 <Bsims> I got some patches I can't update or remove, any ideas
Nov 19 00:08:16 <Klubhead> ok, this is what im getting now http://webos.pastebin.com/m4a640f71
Nov 19 00:08:31 <rwhitby> vicini: can you get a command line via novaterm or ssh ?
Nov 19 00:08:42 <LukeWalker> so i had a dl failure of the optware-dropbear script upstart script
Nov 19 00:09:21 <vicini> not sure, I have accessed linux with cmd in windows
Nov 19 00:09:47 <vicini> is that what you are talking about
Nov 19 00:09:51 <atlanta> this is wierd my now all my bookmarks are gone
Nov 19 00:09:57 <atlanta> and my app catalog dont work
Nov 19 00:09:59 <rwhitby> vicini: yep, that will do, as long as you can cut and paste from it
Nov 19 00:09:59 <atlanta> UGHHHHHH!
Nov 19 00:10:34 <rwhitby> Klubhead: and preware is still not working?
Nov 19 00:10:35 <atlanta> rwhitby: does partial erase remember the apps u have installed after it restarts
Nov 19 00:10:36 <atlanta> ?
Nov 19 00:10:44 <A2NY> LukeWalker: wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/event.d/optware-dropbear
Nov 19 00:10:45 <vicini> give me a sec, i don't have the stuff memorized anymore, i will look it up though
Nov 19 00:10:46 <rwhitby> atlanta: I have no idea what partial erase does.
Nov 19 00:10:50 <AtomicPlayboy> Bsims: have you tried Emergency Patch Recovery?
Nov 19 00:10:53 <atlanta> gessshh
Nov 19 00:10:54 <atlanta> ok
Nov 19 00:10:58 <Klubhead> yup still not working, i still get that same error about the package service not being installed
Nov 19 00:10:59 <Bsims> AtomicPlayboy: Nope whats that?
Nov 19 00:11:17 <AtomicPlayboy> Can you load Preware?
Nov 19 00:11:24 <Klubhead> it says "package manager service not running"
Nov 19 00:11:34 <rwhitby> Klubhead: type this: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/status '{}'
Nov 19 00:11:50 <nt4cats> I
Nov 19 00:11:56 <Bsims> yeah let me look for it
Nov 19 00:12:08 <rwhitby> Bsims: http://install.preware.org
Nov 19 00:12:15 <AtomicPlayboy> Go to "List of Everything" and search for "recover"
Nov 19 00:12:19 <Bsims> No I meant the package
Nov 19 00:12:22 <Klubhead> k, http://webos.pastebin.com/m5f384fa4
Nov 19 00:12:34 <rwhitby> Klubhead: try Preware now
Nov 19 00:12:34 <nt4cats> I'm sorry I'm walking in on the middle of things rwhitby ... but Klubhead's issue sounds a lot like the issue Smiley_ was here reporting Monday and yesterday
Nov 19 00:12:46 <rwhitby> nt4cats: yep, exactly the same
Nov 19 00:13:02 <rwhitby> for some reason, the service is not being started by upstart
Nov 19 00:13:13 <rwhitby> nt4cats: I predict Preware will work perfectly for him now
Nov 19 00:13:17 <Klubhead> ooooo man, i think its working!
Nov 19 00:13:18 <LukeWalker> and then i just re-run the script?
Nov 19 00:13:28 <Klubhead> downloading feeds, loading package info
Nov 19 00:13:32 <nt4cats> rwhitby: I'm glad you heard about Smiley_'s issue.  I felt quite badly that I was unable to help him
Nov 19 00:14:09 <rwhitby> nt4cats: we got to this same point with him.  Now we need someone who is able to get command line access which allows more than one line at a time to be returned.
Nov 19 00:14:14 <vicini> it is coming up as http://webos.pastebin.com/m6e0bd7c9 not root@castle for some reason
Nov 19 00:14:25 <rwhitby> vicini: webos 1.3.1
Nov 19 00:14:38 <nt4cats> rwhitby: I have Smiley's e-mail address -- let me see if I can get a hold of him
Nov 19 00:14:40 <Klubhead> yessss it worked!.. im seeing 4 catagories when it opens, is that how it is suppose to be?
Nov 19 00:14:40 <rwhitby> vicini: please cat the file again and pastebin it
Nov 19 00:15:06 <rwhitby> Klubhead: compare against http://install.preware.org and play with the preferences if it doesn't look the same
Nov 19 00:15:10 <LukeWalker> i was originally trying to run the optware-bootstrap script
Nov 19 00:15:23 * mumbles is begining to hate sql 
Nov 19 00:15:28 <rwhitby> Klubhead: note that is not a permanent fix, it will stop again after a reboot
Nov 19 00:15:37 <LukeWalker> so can i just run it again?
Nov 19 00:15:39 <rwhitby> Klubhead: we still need to diagnose why it's not working
Nov 19 00:15:46 <rwhitby> LukeWalker: yes
Nov 19 00:15:58 <rwhitby> LukeWalker: we design the scripts to be idempotent
Nov 19 00:15:58 <nt4cats> mumbles: sql is the best thing ever.
Nov 19 00:16:07 <zsoc> SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0
Nov 19 00:16:12 <LukeWalker> then when it asks me to create the non-privileged user, what do i do?
Nov 19 00:16:16 <destinal> vicini: palm-webos-device   is the new  hostname rather than  "castle"  or  "pixi"  .. unfortunately
Nov 19 00:16:24 <Klubhead> ahh ic.. but the very first screen has "package updates", available packages", installed packages" and "list of everything"
Nov 19 00:16:25 <nt4cats> mumbles: I'd be glad to help you with your sql
Nov 19 00:16:47 <rwhitby> Klubhead: yep, that's a preference setting - show available types
Nov 19 00:16:47 <LukeWalker> can i just skip that?
Nov 19 00:16:50 <mumbles> nt4cats:  not when you are doing sql oracle corse and have a mock midterm test tommow night
Nov 19 00:16:57 <Klubhead> ooo ok, got ya
Nov 19 00:17:04 <mumbles> and know your not going to be any good couse your notes are rubbish
Nov 19 00:17:39 <vicini> it is difficult to copy and paste and with my cmd, the file is too long, is there a different program i can download
Nov 19 00:18:31 <LukeWalker> ok, so i got the script to finish running
Nov 19 00:19:01 <rwhitby> vicini: how many lines can you paste?
Nov 19 00:19:03 <LukeWalker> the first time i ran it, i got the "password too weak", so i tried a different one, but then it said password doesnt match, so it said it didnt change the password
Nov 19 00:19:15 <LukeWalker> how can i change the password on that user?
Nov 19 00:19:40 <justaguy_> passwd
Nov 19 00:19:42 <A2NY> passwd youruser
Nov 19 00:19:55 <vicini> i can only select all, but it is not pasting all the lines
Nov 19 00:20:02 <vicini> will putty work?
Nov 19 00:20:03 <LukeWalker> thanks
Nov 19 00:20:26 <justaguy_> vicini: if you can use it
Nov 19 00:20:30 <LukeWalker> ok, so now the script says "failed to start the dropbear ssh daemon"
Nov 19 00:20:34 <rwhitby> vicini: yes, putty will be greate
Nov 19 00:21:26 <LukeWalker> but earlier it said dropbear is already installed and no upgrades are available
Nov 19 00:21:27 <vicini> putty just keeps timing out, the same issue i always had
Nov 19 00:22:16 <justaguy_> vicini: you need to get access to ssh first with novacom
Nov 19 00:22:50 <rwhitby> isn't there a way to use putty with novacomd ? and not need ssh?
Nov 19 00:23:07 <AtomicPlayboy> Use novacomd as the terminal type.
Nov 19 00:23:14 <AtomicPlayboy> AFAIK.
Nov 19 00:23:23 <zsoc> isn't that what novaterm does?
Nov 19 00:23:50 <AtomicPlayboy> Err, yeah, use novaterm as the terminal type.
Nov 19 00:24:04 <vicini> that doesn't mean much to me
Nov 19 00:24:06 <AtomicPlayboy> or running novaterm by itself connects directly to the device.
Nov 19 00:24:08 <nt4cats> novaterm seems to present copy-and-paste issues for at least some of the users
Nov 19 00:24:15 <zsoc> oh
Nov 19 00:24:47 <justaguy_> vicini: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novcom_on_Windows
Nov 19 00:25:21 <justaguy_> vicini: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps
Nov 19 00:25:39 <nt4cats> justaguy: when you run "novacom on windows" using those instructions how well does copy-and-paste work for you?
Nov 19 00:26:05 <AtomicPlayboy> I never had an issue with it, the two or three times I used it.
Nov 19 00:26:16 <LukeWalker> heres my log http://webos.pastebin.com/m7aa93206
Nov 19 00:26:16 <justaguy_> he can go that way and get himself ssh access
Nov 19 00:26:28 <vicini> i have done all that, i was quilting patches before preware let me, just following the instructions but I can't copy and paste from my cmd
Nov 19 00:26:50 <AtomicPlayboy> There's a Terminal app in Preware, btw.
Nov 19 00:27:01 <justaguy_> vicini: then are you able to ssh into the device?
Nov 19 00:27:02 <AtomicPlayboy> If you haven't thought of that yet.
Nov 19 00:27:06 <rwhitby> vicini: if you can set up ssh access and putty, we can wait for you to do that, no problems.
Nov 19 00:27:08 <Klubhead> is the Vkeyboard not working yet?
Nov 19 00:27:14 <rwhitby> AtomicPlayboy: too painful :-)
Nov 19 00:27:21 <rwhitby> Klubhead: yep, updated for 1.3.1 yesterday
Nov 19 00:27:25 <nt4cats> klubhead: I just downloaded it ...
Nov 19 00:27:39 <Klubhead> really, where would it be under on preware?
Nov 19 00:27:41 <vicini> i can't figure out how to use putty, i tried before and it still gives me the connection timed out, unless you can give me instruction there
Nov 19 00:27:41 <LukeWalker> it says: #
Nov 19 00:27:41 <LukeWalker> Starting the Dropbear SSH daemon:
Nov 19 00:27:41 <LukeWalker> #
Nov 19 00:27:41 <LukeWalker> initctl: (69273/186440274) Unknown job: optware-dropbear
Nov 19 00:28:03 <nt4cats> vicini: did you tell putty to connect to port 222?
Nov 19 00:28:12 <AtomicPlayboy> I happen to LIKE the tortur--err, terminal app.
Nov 19 00:28:18 <nt4cats> vicini: ... because by default putty will try to make a ssh connection to port 22
Nov 19 00:28:31 <vicini> let me try that
Nov 19 00:28:38 * zsoc creates #webos-internals-dev
Nov 19 00:28:48 <AtomicPlayboy> yeah, 22 is closed, defaults to 222.
Nov 19 00:29:26 * nt4cats thinks that there are a LOT of cooks in this kitchen right now ... and I just strolled in, too
Nov 19 00:30:10 <vicini> i enter my ip address? Does wifi have to be off
Nov 19 00:30:26 <Klubhead> where's the virt. keyboard located in preware?
Nov 19 00:30:48 <justaguy_> vicini: try taking your pre to whatismyip.com
Nov 19 00:31:10 <nt4cats> vicini: if you're connecting via EVDO then you should turn off wifi to avoid confusion.  If you're connecting over your internal network, leave wifi on
Nov 19 00:31:18 <justaguy_> of in the linux command line tool and type ifconfig
Nov 19 00:31:39 <nt4cats> Klubhead: it's a patch
Nov 19 00:32:25 <nt4cats> Klubhead: Available Packages -> patches
Nov 19 00:32:57 <vicini> network error: connection refused
Nov 19 00:33:05 <Klubhead> ahh i dont see that,, under Available packages i see: application, linus application, optware, plugin, service, theme
Nov 19 00:33:23 <justaguy_> Klubhead: swipe back
Nov 19 00:33:56 <Klubhead> k, in the beginning right when i open it, i see: package updates, available packages, installed packages, and list of everything
Nov 19 00:34:25 <LukeWalker> so any idea of why the dropbear daemon would fail to start?
Nov 19 00:34:35 <justaguy_> Klubhead: goto list everything
Nov 19 00:34:58 <justaguy_> Klubhead: then type key and it should be the first listing
Nov 19 00:35:11 <nt4cats> luke: I can help you in a bit -- I'm juggling a bunch of issues right now at the same time (including a 5 year-old and an 8 year-old)
Nov 19 00:35:48 <LukeWalker> ok, np. i appreciate it :)
Nov 19 00:35:57 <justaguy_> vicini: can you open the novacom in your cmd prompt?
Nov 19 00:36:04 <rwhitby> Klubhead: check the Manage Feeds menu item - webos-patches needs to be enabled
Nov 19 00:36:18 <vicini> done
Nov 19 00:36:24 <vicini> just can't copy and paste from it
Nov 19 00:36:35 <justaguy_> do ifconfig
Nov 19 00:36:49 <Klubhead> is it the obsolete keyboard one?
Nov 19 00:37:08 <vicini> finally copied http://webos.pastebin.com/m32e20218
Nov 19 00:38:14 <justaguy_> Klubhead: no
Nov 19 00:38:31 <Klubhead> ahh i see it! i had to restart w/ patches showing
Nov 19 00:38:43 <Klubhead> its 'virtual keyboard'? v1.3.1-1
Nov 19 00:38:58 <justaguy_> Klubhead: nod
Nov 19 00:39:06 <nt4cats> klub: if you see it, it is 1.3.1
Nov 19 00:39:30 <Klubhead> got ya.. awesome man, installing now!
Nov 19 00:39:34 <Klubhead> thanks everyone so far!
Nov 19 00:40:18 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: what instructions did you follow for installing dropbear?
Nov 19 00:41:11 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: ... and do you have shell access to your Pre right now so that we can look at things like your /var/log/messages?
Nov 19 00:41:34 <LukeWalker> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps
Nov 19 00:41:40 <LukeWalker> and yes
Nov 19 00:42:05 <rwhitby> vicini: thanks
Nov 19 00:42:06 <LukeWalker> so basically i made the tmp directory, wget the script, then ran it
Nov 19 00:42:37 <rwhitby> vicini: can you confirm that when you run the luna-send line, then Preware starts working for you, and then repeatably stops working again after a reboot?
Nov 19 00:42:42 <LukeWalker> im using win7x64
Nov 19 00:43:02 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: win7x64 is yucky, but I'll help you anyway
Nov 19 00:43:07 <LukeWalker> i just opened a command prompt using novacom -t open tty://
Nov 19 00:43:10 <LukeWalker> lol thanks :)
Nov 19 00:43:33 <vicini> i'm not sure i know what you are saying.  Preware opens and almost immediately says the package manager service is not installed
Nov 19 00:43:37 <Mousey> where can i find info on the message "error loading page [2051
Nov 19 00:43:40 <Mousey> ]"
Nov 19 00:43:52 <vicini> idk what luna-send line is
Nov 19 00:44:18 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: ... but if you admit that you're a Yankees fan I'll have to pass you off to someone else (so if you are one, keep your pride inside for a few minutes at least)
Nov 19 00:44:52 <LukeWalker> haha im from chicago, so im impartial to east-coast rivalries
Nov 19 00:45:34 <rwhitby> vicini: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/status '{}'
Nov 19 00:46:11 <rwhitby> if you run that, Preware will work until the next reboot. Can you confirm this twice please?
Nov 19 00:46:22 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: can you pastebin the output of (no quotes) "grep bear /var/log/messages"
Nov 19 00:48:10 <vicini> http://webos.pastebin.com/m1ba27c4c
Nov 19 00:48:22 <LukeWalker> http://webos.pastebin.com/m67bf6340
Nov 19 00:49:43 <mumbles> Rick_work:  nt4cats  - update about my problem - i have whiped the phone clean 3 times and it seams to be ok now, i also cleaned the at the top where the light sensour is
Nov 19 00:50:29 <mumbles> Rick_work:  nt4cats  and it seams to work again now , just havent got any way of testing calling in . apart from my old phone.
Nov 19 00:53:01 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: can you please pastebin the output of (no quotes) "cat /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear"
Nov 19 00:53:15 <vicini> i entered that in cmd and i still can't get preware to open
Nov 19 00:53:26 * AtomicPlayboy will be back. (So?)
Nov 19 00:53:30 <rwhitby> vicini: what response did you get from the command?
Nov 19 00:53:37 <vicini> http://webos.pastebin.com/m1ba27c4c
Nov 19 00:53:55 <rwhitby> vicini: you need the '{}' at the end
Nov 19 00:54:23 <mumbles> phone dosent freaze when i call it
Nov 19 00:54:27 <LukeWalker> no such file or directory
Nov 19 00:54:28 <mumbles> weee
Nov 19 00:54:31 <vicini> it worked
Nov 19 00:55:18 <rwhitby> vicini: please confirm a reboot stops it working, and then that command starts it working again.
Nov 19 00:55:29 <rwhitby> vicini: then we start to debug why it's not starting automatically
Nov 19 00:55:56 <vicini> gotcha
Nov 19 00:56:09 <vicini> give me 10 minutes for the reboot to finish :)
Nov 19 00:56:19 <mumbles> vicini:  yeh thats always a problem
Nov 19 00:57:28 <justaguy_> rwhitby: preware is not seeing that i already have some things already installed
Nov 19 00:57:38 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: that is your problem, then.
Nov 19 00:57:42 <LukeWalker> lol
Nov 19 00:57:56 <LukeWalker> any reason that wouldnt be there?
Nov 19 00:58:00 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: Did you notice any messages when you ran the optware bootstrap script?
Nov 19 00:58:18 <rwhitby> justaguy_: how so?
Nov 19 00:58:36 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: I'm reviewing that script right now -- making sure it is safe for you to run again (I think it is)
Nov 19 00:58:50 <LukeWalker> well, i re-ran it after that first link you gave me
Nov 19 00:59:07 <nt4cats> is there a file ending in .log in /tmp?
Nov 19 00:59:09 <LukeWalker> now if i run it it says dropbear already installed
Nov 19 00:59:11 <justaguy_> rwhitby: for instance the bootstrap installed in novacom so i could get ssh , then i installed preware after ssh was gained
Nov 19 00:59:19 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: do "ls -l /tmp/*.log"
Nov 19 00:59:26 <justaguy_> rwhitby: preware doesnt see the bootstrap installed
Nov 19 00:59:36 <rwhitby> justaguy_: two different things, unfortunately
Nov 19 00:59:41 <LukeWalker> optware-bootstrap.sh.log
Nov 19 00:59:50 <rwhitby> justaguy_: ipkg-opt and preware operate in parallel universes
Nov 19 00:59:54 <vicini> confirmed
Nov 19 01:00:11 <rwhitby> vicini: ok, do you know /var/log/messages ?
Nov 19 01:00:18 <vicini> no
Nov 19 01:00:48 <justaguy_> rwhitby: preware did install the other bootstrap
Nov 19 01:00:53 <rwhitby> vicini: "tail -f /var/log/messages" and watch it for a while to get familiar with what it contains
Nov 19 01:01:14 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: I'd like to see that log.
Nov 19 01:01:21 <rwhitby> justaguy_: yep, but they use different package databases
Nov 19 01:01:44 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: is it too big to pastebin?
Nov 19 01:02:07 <justaguy_> rwhitby:  same with open ssh , i have it installed already but preware isnt seeing that either
Nov 19 01:02:18 <rwhitby> justaguy_: different package databases.
Nov 19 01:02:24 <justaguy_> ssh on the pixi seems pretty slow too
Nov 19 01:02:45 <vicini> ok
Nov 19 01:03:11 <LukeWalker> it is pretty big...one sec
Nov 19 01:04:35 <LukeWalker> http://webos.pastebin.com/m46dfe912
Nov 19 01:04:53 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ping
Nov 19 01:06:08 <rwhitby> dBsooner: syn|ack
Nov 19 01:06:44 <dBsooner> rwhitby: What are your thoughts on me saqying I don't want to update/add any more patches to 1.2.1?
Nov 19 01:07:02 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: http://webos.pastebin.com/m3de23b41
Nov 19 01:07:04 <vicini> do i just keep letting this run?
Nov 19 01:07:14 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: see the 3 lines I highlighted (lines 93-95)?
Nov 19 01:07:50 <LukeWalker> yea, i saw that
Nov 19 01:07:55 <rwhitby> vicini: we're going to need to delete that file, then reboot, then try and start Preware, then transfer that file over to the host and email it to me
Nov 19 01:08:03 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: that's the problem
Nov 19 01:08:13 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: crafting a high-tech fix for you ...
Nov 19 01:08:19 <vicini> delete which file?
Nov 19 01:08:27 <rwhitby> vicini: /var/log/messages
Nov 19 01:08:30 <mumbles> right off to sleep
Nov 19 01:08:36 <vicini> how do i do that
Nov 19 01:08:40 <LukeWalker> didnt it just pull that address from the script?
Nov 19 01:08:47 <dBsooner> rwhitby: my thoughts rae Palm forces update anyway, and the only devices on 1.2.1 are CDMA devices, which 1.3.1 has been released on... so the need for 1.2.1 patches is not there.
Nov 19 01:08:59 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I only want to maintain current webOS versions.
Nov 19 01:09:02 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: yes, and there is clearly some problem with that server, your DNS, sunspots, etc.
Nov 19 01:09:32 <LukeWalker> gotcha
Nov 19 01:09:40 <rwhitby> dBsooner: have we hit the point where everyone has been forcibly updated to 1.3.1 ?
Nov 19 01:09:53 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I would assume?
Nov 19 01:09:57 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: please cd to /tmp on your Pre and then ...
Nov 19 01:10:07 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: (no quotes) "wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/event.d/optware-dropbear"
Nov 19 01:10:26 <dBsooner> rwhitby: what's the delay? How long between checkins for the Updater?
Nov 19 01:10:37 <rwhitby> dBsooner: dunno
Nov 19 01:10:47 <dBsooner> #webos i am a goin
Nov 19 01:11:15 <rwhitby> dBsooner: I agree that once Palm has updated everyone that still has the updated enabled, then we stop supporting 1.2.1
Nov 19 01:11:22 <LukeWalker> wget: can't open 'optware-dropbear': File exists
Nov 19 01:12:06 <vicini> how do i delete the /var/log/messages and how would i transfer the file over to you?
Nov 19 01:12:33 <rwhitby> vicini: to copy it: "cp /var/log/messages /media/internal/messages.txt"
Nov 19 01:12:44 <rwhitby> vicini: please do that now to test, before we delete it
Nov 19 01:12:50 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: so you have a file called /tmp/optware-dropbear right now?
Nov 19 01:12:51 <Abyssul> Howdy
Nov 19 01:12:58 <rwhitby> vicini: you should then be able to see it via usb drive access
Nov 19 01:13:08 <LukeWalker> yep
Nov 19 01:13:28 <vicini> i can't make it stop scrolling and bring up root
Nov 19 01:14:14 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: please pastebin that file for me
Nov 19 01:14:59 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: assuming it is the right one we'll manually drop it in place, tweak it for your desired interface[s], and then you should be good to go (or proceed with the script)
Nov 19 01:15:45 <LukeWalker> http://webos.pastebin.com/m97a3cce
Nov 19 01:16:03 <rick_home> vicini:   type ctrl-c
Nov 19 01:16:40 <nt4cats> Luke: that's the one.
Nov 19 01:17:04 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: okay, so we need to make the OS part of your disk writeable (it is read-only by default)
Nov 19 01:17:16 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: please type (no quotes) "mount -o remount,rw /" and press enter
Nov 19 01:17:47 <LukeWalker> k
Nov 19 01:17:51 <LukeWalker> done
Nov 19 01:18:09 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: then (no quotes) "cp /tmp/optware-dropbear /etc/event.d/" and press enter
Nov 19 01:19:02 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: once you've done that -- do you want ssh to work over 1) WiFi  2) EVDO  3) Both WiFi and EVDO ?
Nov 19 01:19:03 <LukeWalker> done
Nov 19 01:19:33 <LukeWalker> ideally both, if its not too complicated...
Nov 19 01:19:44 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: it's not complicated
Nov 19 01:19:51 <LukeWalker> are there any downsides to evdo, security wise?
Nov 19 01:20:14 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: type (no DOUBLE-quotes -- there are single quotes) "sed -i '/INPUT/ s/ -i eth0//' /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear"
Nov 19 01:20:39 <LukeWalker> done
Nov 19 01:20:50 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: I changed my listening port to something non-standard out of paranoia about people scanning Sprint IP addresses on port 222
Nov 19 01:21:36 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: if you send me an e-mail at {myfirstname}@{mylastname}.com I will document how I did this on the webos-internals.org wiki and send you a link.  My first name is Drew and my last name is DeNardo
Nov 19 01:22:03 <LukeWalker> hmm, that sounds like it would be good.
Nov 19 01:22:15 <nt4cats> LukeWalekr: I wouldn't be too paranoid about it, though.
Nov 19 01:22:19 <LukeWalker> so do i need to re-run the script or anything, or should i be good now tho?
Nov 19 01:22:52 <vicini> i have confirmed i have the messages file
Nov 19 01:23:39 <nt4cats> I think you should be good to go ... although it appears that you can re-run the script safely
Nov 19 01:23:49 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: we should set your drive back to read-only, too
Nov 19 01:24:03 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: please type (no quotes) "mount -o remount,ro /" and press enter
Nov 19 01:25:13 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: to start dropbear manually type (no quotes) "initctl start optware-dropbear"
Nov 19 01:25:34 <LukeWalker> so if i wanted to use winscp to get to the linux-side files on the pre, what do i need to do from here?
Nov 19 01:26:04 <LukeWalker> (i set the drive back to ro, btw -- thanks)
Nov 19 01:26:10 <vicini> where should i email it to and how do i delete the file?
Nov 19 01:26:14 <nt4cats> I don't have winderz, so I can't tell you winscp's exact configuration or syntax ...
Nov 19 01:26:53 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: but if this was linux I'd say scp -P 222 YourUserName@11.22.33.44:/path/to/file.name .
Nov 19 01:26:53 <LukeWalker> but i can connect with ftp, or sftp?
Nov 19 01:27:08 <nt4cats> where 11.22.33.44 is the IP address (either wifi or EVDO)
Nov 19 01:28:40 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: these logs look to me like you have a sftp server installed
Nov 19 01:29:01 <LukeWalker> is it possible to just connect with the usb?
Nov 19 01:29:21 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: if you just want to connect via USB you don't need ssh/dropbear :)
Nov 19 01:29:26 <LukeWalker> lol
Nov 19 01:30:00 * zsoc prefers novacom get/put... doesn't know why. probably the autoforce overwrite, makes him feel powerful
Nov 19 01:30:01 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: the easiest way to xfer files off of your pre is to copy them to /media/internal (create any folders you'd like there) and then connect your Pre via USB and tell it to act like a disk
Nov 19 01:30:26 <zsoc> brb
Nov 19 01:30:32 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: the previous statement is assuming the target audience is not comfortable with scp ...
Nov 19 01:30:53 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: I use scp, myself.
Nov 19 01:31:21 <LukeWalker> ok
Nov 19 01:31:23 <lingfish_> hi.
Nov 19 01:31:24 * nt4cats will be back in 5 minutes -- I need to put the boy to bed
Nov 19 01:31:46 <LukeWalker> so i have some homebrew apps installed on my pre that are no longer available
Nov 19 01:31:58 <LukeWalker> so i was hoping to be able to back them up in case i need to doctor my phone
Nov 19 01:32:01 <rwhitby> vicini: "rm /var/log/messages" to delete it
Nov 19 01:32:15 <LukeWalker> i was thinking i could just copy the ipk files
Nov 19 01:32:20 <rwhitby> vicini: then reboot, then copy it again and email it to me
Nov 19 01:32:20 <LukeWalker> is that even possible?
Nov 19 01:32:35 <lingfish_> Apparently my Pre ships today or tomorrow
Nov 19 01:32:49 <vicini> i made a copy before rebooting, do you want a copy after i reboot as well
Nov 19 01:33:05 <rwhitby> vicini: both are good
Nov 19 01:33:16 <rwhitby> I'm most interested in the one after reboot
Nov 19 01:33:26 <lingfish> rwhitby: still nada for you?
Nov 19 01:33:47 <rwhitby> lingfish: nope, I think my GSM Pre is lost.  lucky it's insured for 500 Euro
Nov 19 01:33:57 <lingfish> Unbelievable.
Nov 19 01:34:04 <lingfish> Glad i went with $50 worth of UPS shipping.
Nov 19 01:34:59 <rwhitby> lingfish: this was DHL from Germany I believe.
Nov 19 01:35:18 <lingfish> rwhitby: yeah and heard mixed things... I think Tim even works for them.
Nov 19 01:35:32 <rwhitby> the sender has used it to ship many packages across the world, and never had a problem before.
Nov 19 01:35:41 <lingfish> weird
Nov 19 01:37:11 <whoDat_> will the SDK still run okay after upgrading from ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10?
Nov 19 01:37:49 <antianalog> whoDat_, yes
Nov 19 01:38:06 <antianalog> sudo /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd
Nov 19 01:38:15 <antianalog> to enable novacom, then type novaterm
Nov 19 01:39:03 <whoDat_> I just expected things to break because some of the install was a manual process, not using apt-get or package installer gui.
Nov 19 01:39:15 <antianalog> oh i see
Nov 19 01:39:32 <antianalog> actually i did a fresh install to ubuntu 9.10
Nov 19 01:39:47 <whoDat_> yeah I am doing an upgrade.
Nov 19 01:39:57 <antianalog> if it doesn't work correctly just remove the sdk and start over
Nov 19 01:39:58 <zsoc> whoDat_, what do you expect to break?
Nov 19 01:40:32 <whoDat_> zsoc: knowing that, is half the battle. lol.
Nov 19 01:41:05 <zsoc> whoDat_, shouldn't be anything major
Nov 19 01:41:10 <zsoc> troubleshooting is half the fun ;)
Nov 19 01:41:34 <oil> so
Nov 19 01:41:42 <whoDat_> i expect *something* to not be right. right now sdk works, eclipse works, emulator works.
Nov 19 01:41:54 <whoDat_> upgrading now. will see if I am right ;)
Nov 19 01:41:57 <antianalog> learning-new-things++ ftw!
Nov 19 01:42:31 * zsoc wishes the emulator had camera functionality
Nov 19 01:42:44 <LukeWalker> *test
Nov 19 01:42:47 <whoDat_> using your webcam? lol
Nov 19 01:42:47 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: I don't know enough about that to give you a reliable "yes" or "know" (copying .ipk files) -- but someone here does
Nov 19 01:42:52 * nt4cats is back
Nov 19 01:42:55 * oil wishes his camera had emulator functionality
Nov 19 01:43:15 <LukeWalker> ok, np.
Nov 19 01:43:24 <nt4cats> oil: what is a camera emulator -- a pen+paper?
Nov 19 01:43:25 <zsoc> LukeWalker, what was the question?
Nov 19 01:43:29 <LukeWalker> thanks so much for your help with getting my ssh going tho
Nov 19 01:43:35 <oil> idk
Nov 19 01:43:43 <LukeWalker> so i have some homebrew apps installed on my pre that are no longer available
Nov 19 01:43:47 <zsoc> oil, puff was freaking out looking for you. then he went to get beer.
Nov 19 01:43:49 <LukeWalker> so i was hoping to be able to back them up in case i need to doctor my phone
Nov 19 01:43:52 <LukeWalker> i was thinking i could just copy the ipk files
Nov 19 01:43:55 <LukeWalker> is that even possible?
Nov 19 01:43:56 * Mousey emulates his camera's wish functionality
Nov 19 01:44:29 <zsoc> LukeWalker, it is possible if the original archive file still exists. they might get deleted in tmp or even right after they are installed.. probably depends on how they were installed originally
Nov 19 01:44:33 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: glad to help
Nov 19 01:44:53 <LukeWalker> filecoaster
Nov 19 01:45:03 * nt4cats has a big slice of pumpkin pie (if you can call 1/3 of a pie a 'slice')
Nov 19 01:45:20 <chrisa> I'm amused pixi is down to $25, wonder when it'll hit 0
Nov 19 01:45:24 <zsoc> isn't filecoaster closed source? :P
Nov 19 01:46:00 <zsoc> chrisa, it's a very attractive device
Nov 19 01:46:04 <jmaldonado> having a problem with preware, says package manager is not installed.  Uninstalled both pm and preware several times using instructions on site.
Nov 19 01:46:22 <nt4cats> jmaldonado: it says it is not installed ... or not running?
Nov 19 01:46:27 <LukeWalker> well, i mean i installed the apps using filecoaster
Nov 19 01:46:33 <oil> imo, lower cost of entry is a good thing
Nov 19 01:46:39 <rwhitby> jmaldonado: can you get a command line on the Pre?
Nov 19 01:46:42 <oil> i mean, the telcos are still paying palm the full price, right?
Nov 19 01:46:49 <rwhitby> oil: did you see the installer shootout?
Nov 19 01:46:59 <zsoc> LukeWalker, right, which is why i don't know how filecoaster handles downloads/installs. you can try globally search your filesystem with gnu find
Nov 19 01:47:05 <LukeWalker> ahh, i see
Nov 19 01:47:08 <jmaldonado> it says the package manager is not running
Nov 19 01:47:11 <oil> and lold @ quick install accessing more feeds xD
Nov 19 01:47:16 <rwhitby> jmaldonado: can you get a command line on the Pre?
Nov 19 01:47:26 <rwhitby> oil: look again, Derek fixed it.
Nov 19 01:47:39 <oil> 4 and 4+
Nov 19 01:47:43 <jmaldonado> I am sorry... I have no idea how to do that....
Nov 19 01:47:44 <chrisa> zsoc: unless you ask gizmodo
Nov 19 01:47:44 <oil> he didn't fix the description below it
Nov 19 01:47:50 <LukeWalker> and just search for an ipk file?
Nov 19 01:47:59 <zsoc> chrisa, who's that?
Nov 19 01:48:06 <rwhitby> oil: true.  we don't have adding repos done yet, whereas Jason does.
Nov 19 01:48:09 <chrisa> One of the tech blogs
Nov 19 01:48:11 <nt4cats> zsoc: that's a website
Nov 19 01:48:22 <oil> the gui is waiting for the service to get it in gear xD
Nov 19 01:48:24 <rwhitby> jmaldonado: can you connect to the Pre with WebOS Quick Install ?
Nov 19 01:48:28 <chrisa> Their review of pixi was pretty scathing
Nov 19 01:48:29 <zsoc> nt4cats, i was showing some sarcasm..
Nov 19 01:48:34 <jmaldonado> I can do that...
Nov 19 01:48:47 <nt4cats> zsoc: sarcasm?  what's that?
Nov 19 01:48:49 <rwhitby> oil: I thought the service is working, but the ipkgservice GUI is not popping up the window
Nov 19 01:48:55 <LukeWalker> k, i'll try it.  thanks for the help!
Nov 19 01:48:58 <zsoc> LukeWalker, er... it would require a little more syntax than that. dBsooner would know
Nov 19 01:48:58 <oil> chrisa: was that the "con: its slow, con: its really sloooooooow" one?
Nov 19 01:49:02 <rwhitby> jmaldonado: then open the linux command line window
Nov 19 01:49:13 <chrisa> oil: yeah
Nov 19 01:49:32 <nt4cats> zsoc: sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between someone being cleverly sarcastic and being an idiot -- especially if, like me, you are a sarcastic idiot
Nov 19 01:49:35 <jmaldonado> done....
Nov 19 01:49:35 <LukeWalker> np, i've got to run anyways -- maybe i'll check back in tomorrow to see if i can get it going
Nov 19 01:49:37 <chrisa> Whereas other reviews just mentioned it could get bogged down with multiple apps, I believe they said it was infuriatingly frustratingly awful
Nov 19 01:49:41 <LukeWalker> thanks!
Nov 19 01:49:42 <dBsooner> I was pinged?
Nov 19 01:49:48 <zsoc> nt4cats, understood
Nov 19 01:50:04 <nt4cats> dBsooner: we were just making fun of you
Nov 19 01:50:19 <oil> rwhitby: idk if the service actually adds and removes or not
Nov 19 01:50:19 <dBsooner> ok.. back to these 50,000 patches that are gettinga dded
Nov 19 01:50:22 <dBsooner> page again if needed
Nov 19 01:50:30 <oil> 50k?
Nov 19 01:50:36 <rwhitby> oil: I can get it to do all the right things via luna-send
Nov 19 01:50:46 <dBsooner> oil: Yeah.. its been a busy day.
Nov 19 01:50:54 <dBsooner> Like 10 per second
Nov 19 01:50:58 <oil> lol
Nov 19 01:51:07 <oil> any good?
Nov 19 01:51:13 <dBsooner> oil
Nov 19 01:51:14 <rwhitby> jmaldonado: run: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/status '{}'
Nov 19 01:51:22 <dBsooner> SMS Tone Per Contact
Nov 19 01:51:24 <dBsooner> Browser in Low Mem
Nov 19 01:51:28 <nt4cats> "find / -name \*.ipk" will search your whole drive for files that end in .ipk
Nov 19 01:51:36 <rwhitby> jmaldonado: Preware should then start working
Nov 19 01:52:05 <dBsooner> Hide Launcher
Nov 19 01:53:02 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: actually .. I wouldn't do that find command ...
Nov 19 01:53:22 * oil might try out the hide launcher one
Nov 19 01:53:24 <jmaldonado> Nice...thanks for your help.
Nov 19 01:53:40 <oil> rwhitby, dBsooner: what you guys think of that pm?
Nov 19 01:53:51 <nt4cats> LukeWalker: try "find {dirname} -name \*.ipk", replacing {dirname} with (no quotes) "/tmp" "/opt" "/var" "/media/internal"
Nov 19 01:53:55 <zsoc> oil, why is it a secret? ;)
Nov 19 01:54:07 <jmaldonado> Do I have to do anything else?
Nov 19 01:54:08 <d0lph1nK1ng> anyone in here have trouble upgrading to 1.3.1?
Nov 19 01:54:13 <oil> it was from that miliometerminder guy on precentral
Nov 19 01:54:14 <d0lph1nK1ng> failure for update to validate
Nov 19 01:54:20 <oil> i didn't send it
Nov 19 01:54:31 <nt4cats> zsoc: <sarcasm> it isn't a secret, it is an application icon he doesn't want to appear on his Pre</sarcasm>
Nov 19 01:54:41 <dBsooner> oil, I haven't read it yet
Nov 19 01:54:42 * zsoc blinks
Nov 19 01:54:42 <zsoc> ok back to work
Nov 19 01:54:45 <oil> basically hes got a bunch of ideas to make everything we do more AM friendly
Nov 19 01:54:48 <dBsooner> WEll, I have read his pm, but not the post
Nov 19 01:54:58 <oil> "don't call luna manager luna manager" etc etc
Nov 19 01:55:14 <dBsooner> Lol.. wow.. that message
Nov 19 01:55:21 <dBsooner> I get like 20 pm's a day
Nov 19 01:55:36 <oil> well aren't you mr popular
Nov 19 01:55:56 <dBsooner> oil: unfortunately
Nov 19 01:57:22 <nt4cats> dbSooner: the 'ping' you thought you heard wasn't actually us making fun of you (we should have been, but we weren't).  Someone needed unix syntax advice and someone else mentioned that you were the local "walking man page" (my words).  I helped the syntax-needer
Nov 19 01:57:43 <dBsooner> lol
Nov 19 01:57:50 <zsoc> dBsooner, you're a sysadmin? :P
Nov 19 01:57:58 <Mousey> boo, that's what *I* do
Nov 19 01:58:00 <zsoc> BAFH D:
Nov 19 01:58:04 <dBsooner> zsoc: shh
Nov 19 01:58:19 <dBsooner> I'm a jack of all trades.
Nov 19 01:58:20 <nt4cats> zsoc: dbsooner isn't a person, he's just a clever shell script.  Now you've hurt his feelings.
Nov 19 01:58:32 <Mousey> shell scripts don't haaaave feelings
Nov 19 01:58:40 <dBsooner> sure they do
Nov 19 01:58:41 <nt4cats> Mousey: clever ones do
Nov 19 01:58:45 <dBsooner> piss one off..
Nov 19 01:58:46 <dBsooner> I dare you.
Nov 19 01:58:47 <zsoc> ~dBsooner snack
Nov 19 01:58:49 <Mousey> lol
Nov 19 01:58:58 <justaguy_> i dont get to really do much with computers at work
Nov 19 01:59:09 <Mousey> well, you're justaguy_
Nov 19 01:59:15 <justaguy_> unless the dj screws it up
Nov 19 01:59:27 <dBsooner> radio station?
Nov 19 01:59:32 <nt4cats> stripper?
Nov 19 01:59:33 <justaguy_> i own a strip club
Nov 19 01:59:35 <Mousey> nightclub?
Nov 19 01:59:39 <justaguy_> topless
Nov 19 01:59:40 <oil> lol
Nov 19 01:59:40 <dBsooner> strip club?
Nov 19 01:59:41 * nt4cats nailed it
Nov 19 01:59:42 <dBsooner> PICTURES!
Nov 19 01:59:46 * dBsooner waits..
Nov 19 01:59:47 <Mousey> pix or gtfo!
Nov 19 02:00:11 <Mousey> prEguy?
Nov 19 02:00:11 <dBsooner> Still no pictures..
Nov 19 02:00:11 <oil> eguy <3 wirc?
Nov 19 02:00:11 <Mousey> still waiting
Nov 19 02:00:13 <justaguy_> i do have some but only local. i dont really put them out there like that
Nov 19 02:00:20 <Mousey> F5 F5 F5 F5
Nov 19 02:00:22 <Mousey> still no pix
Nov 19 02:00:34 <Mousey> lol
Nov 19 02:00:36 <zsoc> F5 actually made me laugh, that's sad
Nov 19 02:00:36 <nt4cats> dbsooner: there is this thing called "the internets" ... and if you know how to go there you can sometimes find boobie pictures
Nov 19 02:00:39 <Mousey> Trillian for Pre?1
Nov 19 02:00:41 <dBsooner> boo.. that means its a "abnormal" strip club
Nov 19 02:00:51 <Mousey> male strippers
Nov 19 02:00:58 <justaguy_> were at the lake of the ozarks
Nov 19 02:01:01 <dBsooner> nt4cats: shell scripts do do interwebs well
Nov 19 02:01:07 <rwhitby> #webos-watercooler please
Nov 19 02:01:11 <dBsooner> justaguy_: I go there all the time
Nov 19 02:01:19 <ACap_wIRC> allmobilep***
Nov 19 02:01:28 <justaguy_> dBsooner: really?
Nov 19 02:03:17 <dBsooner> justaguy_: Yep.. Osage beach is da shiz.
Nov 19 02:03:30 <justaguy_> well i own GQ
Nov 19 02:03:35 <dBsooner> Not very good cell service getting around there though
Nov 19 02:03:36 <ACap_wIRC> so, how can I get past my supposedly full app partition?
Nov 19 02:03:37 <justaguy_> near HH
Nov 19 02:03:42 * dBsooner lives in Tulsa.. It's only a 3 hour drive.
Nov 19 02:03:47 <oil> ACap_wIRC: delete crap apps
Nov 19 02:04:07 <justaguy_> well next time youre in the area stop in and ask for sean ill buy you a drink
Nov 19 02:04:14 <ACap_wIRC> oil, I'm down to the nubbins
Nov 19 02:04:17 <dBsooner> Consider it done.
Nov 19 02:04:24 <d0lph1nK1ng> anyone encounter this? http://bit.ly/2TKIzJ
Nov 19 02:04:40 * dBsooner back to the caves to work on patches.
Nov 19 02:04:42 <oil> rick tried to download it like a zillion times
Nov 19 02:04:53 <oil> idk if he ever got it to work
Nov 19 02:04:58 <dBsooner> Rick_work: how is your pre?
Nov 19 02:05:36 <d0lph1nK1ng> i wanted to test out apps that i've made using the new APIs in 1.3.1 but can't get the device to pull it down properly
Nov 19 02:05:58 <d0lph1nK1ng> sprint store said to wipe and re-try, but don't really trust them
Nov 19 02:06:28 <zsoc> d0lph1nK1ng, define 'pull it down properly' please?
Nov 19 02:06:33 <d0lph1nK1ng> download and pass validation
Nov 19 02:07:00 <zsoc> someone else, rick i think, had to do it 30 times
Nov 19 02:07:33 <d0lph1nK1ng> i must be pretty close to 30... even deleted preware, patches, exitted dev mode n everything
Nov 19 02:07:45 <zsoc> d0lph1nK1ng, none of that affects validation
Nov 19 02:07:53 <zsoc> d0lph1nK1ng, have you tried evdo AND wifi?
Nov 19 02:07:57 <zsoc> *effects
Nov 19 02:08:28 <d0lph1nK1ng> sprint store blamed it on homebrew, of course... i kinda figured cuz it sounded like a checksum was off or the like
Nov 19 02:08:39 <zsoc> brb, fixing usb drivers (again)
Nov 19 02:08:42 <hmagoo> ahh finally got the replacement to download palm profile
Nov 19 02:08:48 <zsoc> d0lph1nK1ng, protip: you know 10 times more than anyone at a sprint store
Nov 19 02:08:59 <d0lph1nK1ng> lol
Nov 19 02:09:20 <d0lph1nK1ng> guy tried to tell me a 1350mah battery actually lasted less time than a 1150mah
Nov 19 02:09:55 <nt4cats> d0lph1nk1ng: it takes extra power to carry around all those extra mah's -- that makes sense
Nov 19 02:10:37 <d0lph1nK1ng> hmmm, well thats why i do software and not physics
Nov 19 02:11:05 <d0lph1nK1ng> well i'll just keep trying to pull it down over n over.  thanks guys
Nov 19 02:11:40 <nt4cats> Good luck fishy (that's much easier to type than "d0lph1nK1ng")
Nov 19 02:12:03 <d0lph1nK1ng> haha, thanks.. cya
Nov 19 02:17:27 <ACap_wIRC> ok, according to df -k, I have 69920 kb free, but I can't install a 1850kb program from the app catalog
Nov 19 02:18:23 <ACap_wIRC> I can install all day from Preware, but I can't get anything from the app catalog! grr
Nov 19 02:18:43 <ACap_wIRC> I want to support some
Nov 19 02:18:49 <ACap_wIRC> devs
Nov 19 02:20:55 <ACap_wIRC> should I Dr it, or attempt to stretch the partitions?
Nov 19 02:23:09 <nt4cats> ACap_wIRC: I prefer mvapp to the metadoctor, personally
Nov 19 02:23:19 <nt4cats> ACap_wIRC: mostly because mvapp seems less drastic
Nov 19 02:25:13 <ACap_wIRC> ok, but I fear my app catalog will continue to claim it is full, because even if I had to have 64M free, I'm well over that already
Nov 19 02:25:15 <nt4cats> ACap_wIRC: The meta doctor is an awesome tool -- don't get me wrong ... but when straying off of the Palm-sanctioned reservation I tend to favor "easy to back out" over "awesome"
Nov 19 02:25:50 <ACap_wIRC> very true, and I tend that way as well
Nov 19 02:26:03 <nt4cats> Acap_wIRC: you can also reduce the amount of e-mail you keep local on your pre
Nov 19 02:26:23 <ACap_wIRC> really?
Nov 19 02:26:30 <ACap_wIRC> I haven't seen that
Nov 19 02:26:37 <ACap_wIRC> I'll go look
Nov 19 02:26:47 <nt4cats> Acap_wirc: I keep 3 days on my pre and I've connected to my e-mail web interface to get a message older than that twice since I got my pre (and I got it in June)
Nov 19 02:27:10 <rwhitby> nt4cats: agreed. mvapp is the solution to the app problem.  meta-doctor is the solution to the activation problem, but happens to create a 2GB /var for my convenience ;-)
Nov 19 02:27:37 <nt4cats> rwhitby: well said
Nov 19 02:29:36 <ACap_wIRC> thx, nt4cats, I dropped my work email to 7 days from a month
Nov 19 02:29:59 <ACap_wIRC> why would they put data there??
Nov 19 02:30:38 <nt4cats> acap_wirc: that's sorta where they put pretty much all of the application-related data for your pre
Nov 19 02:31:49 * nt4cats just read what I typed and is sorta ashamed for kinda putting too many hedging-words pretty much everywhere
Nov 19 02:32:26 <ACap_wIRC> lol
Nov 19 02:33:28 <zsoc> nt4cats, citation needed
Nov 19 02:35:05 <nt4cats> ibid.
Nov 19 02:35:40 <zsoc> How do you make a sevice request with luna-send?
Nov 19 02:38:30 * nt4cats is going to go pay attention to his wife
Nov 19 02:53:31 <nonlocal> o.o
Nov 19 02:53:43 <nonlocal> I love wIRC.
Nov 19 02:54:10 <zsoc> nonlocal, don't we all, and we love to talk about it in #wirc
Nov 19 02:54:29 <ACap_wIRC> no~
Nov 19 02:54:38 <nonlocal> Oo;
Nov 19 02:54:51 <oil> wirc love is accepted everywhere
Nov 19 02:54:59 <Smubeht> oil: i love wirc
Nov 19 02:55:14 <zsoc> oil, i'll stop annoying your users when you help me with my app ;)
Nov 19 02:55:22 <nonlocal> I'll talk about it here, or in #jesus for that matter. wIRC is delicious, spread the word. TT
Nov 19 02:55:29 <Smubeht> haha
Nov 19 02:55:39 <ACap_wIRC> didn't mean no to nonlocal
Nov 19 02:55:55 <oil> your app?
Nov 19 02:56:05 <ACap_wIRC> was trying to autocomplete his/her name in wIRC
Nov 19 02:56:26 * oil already has like 7 webos projects he upkeeps
Nov 19 02:57:44 <kesne> ~smack oil
Nov 19 02:57:47 * infobot smacks oil upside the head.
Nov 19 02:57:49 <kesne> oil: you are weak
Nov 19 02:57:56 <ACap_wIRC> how does that work?
Nov 19 02:58:28 <Smubeht> kesne is back
Nov 19 02:58:32 <Smubeht> hows ur app store going?
Nov 19 02:59:22 <justaguy_> ok so i have managed to install mytether on the pixi and i have ssh to the pre and pre to pixi but i cannot surf
Nov 19 02:59:51 <justaguy_> anyone got an ftp i can try out?
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