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Nov 21 03:00:01 <rboatright> theleming -- it's like this.
Nov 21 03:00:08 <rboatright> Turn your pre off completely.
Nov 21 03:00:14 <rboatright> Unplug the USB cable.
Nov 21 03:00:20 <rboatright> Hold the volume button up
Nov 21 03:00:25 <rboatright> DO NOT RELEASE THE VOLUME BUTTON
Nov 21 03:00:32 <theleming> no i am doing that and i have it up there
Nov 21 03:00:40 <rboatright> ok
Nov 21 03:00:49 <rboatright> do you have a giant USB logo on the screen?
Nov 21 03:01:20 <theleming> but it will not connect to the computer, other pre's (i just tried) connect easily and yes i do have the giant usb icon
Nov 21 03:01:33 <rboatright> ok
Nov 21 03:01:51 <rboatright> and now you run the webosdoctor.jar and anseer the questions until it tells you to plug the pre in.
Nov 21 03:02:26 <rboatright> the webosdoctor uses a VERY DIFFERENT way of talking to the pre.
Nov 21 03:02:40 <rboatright> if you have the giant usb logo, you're good.  it -will- talk to the doctor
Nov 21 03:02:48 <rboatright> you may have to run the doctor file more than once....
Nov 21 03:02:58 <rboatright> sometimes it has trouble stopping the novacom service
Nov 21 03:04:48 <theleming> (sorry for my stupidity) but i started the docter, waited until it told me to connect my pre (the pre has the giant usb icon) but it wont recognize, i just plugged annother pre in (friends pre) and it instantly recognized it but not for my pre
Nov 21 03:04:51 <Abyssul> damn, where did the .jnlp file save the webos doctor .jar....
Nov 21 03:09:48 <jack87_> hi guys
Nov 21 03:09:48 <rboatright> theleming  ok, let's do this the hard way.
Nov 21 03:10:05 <rboatright> get the doctor to the point where it says to plug in your pre.
Nov 21 03:10:16 <rboatright> Make sure your pre is unplugged.
Nov 21 03:10:21 <rboatright> Pull the battery out of your pre.
Nov 21 03:10:58 <rboatright> Hold the volume key up, and while holding it up plug in the USB cable, and WITHOUT LETTING GO OF THE VOLUME UP put the battery back in, and then let go of the volume key
Nov 21 03:11:04 <rboatright> the doctor should see you now
Nov 21 03:12:13 <theleming> kk trying now
Nov 21 03:15:01 <theleming> came up with a bug ? inside of a battery symbol
Nov 21 03:16:15 <rboatright> tthat's what it does.
Nov 21 03:16:20 <rboatright> it's ok
Nov 21 03:20:44 <theleming> are you familiar with the app called internalz?
Nov 21 03:20:50 <theleming> (homebrew)
Nov 21 03:21:17 <theleming> allows you to go through the files of the phone from the phone
Nov 21 03:21:47 <theleming> would it be possible to remove a patch with something like that?
Nov 21 03:22:46 <hmagoo> no
Nov 21 03:23:02 <hmagoo> terminal app
Nov 21 03:23:44 <rboatright> internals is a super useful thing
Nov 21 03:23:53 <rboatright> but it's not going to help with this.
Nov 21 03:24:16 <theleming> k
Nov 21 03:26:25 <Ghost-77> hello
Nov 21 03:34:03 <rbredow> Hey guys...can you point me to EPR?  I need to remove a patch I (lamely) forgot to unpatch before I got the latest upgrade.  (show download counts)
Nov 21 03:35:12 <sugardave> rbredow: It's in PreWare....if you update your feeds, then "show all" or whatever it's called
Nov 21 03:35:18 <sugardave> Emergency Patch Removal
Nov 21 03:35:19 <sugardave> or similar
Nov 21 03:35:38 <rbredow> perfect.  I'll take a look for that now.  Thanks.
Nov 21 03:35:39 <sugardave> np
Nov 21 03:38:21 <rbredow> That worked perfectly.  Thanks again sd.
Nov 21 03:39:21 <Eguy> I'm playing it on max difficulty
Nov 21 03:49:46 <synackfin> is there any way to run X11 apps on the pre?
Nov 21 04:11:55 <Manifest> Hi, can anyone here help me out with this tutorial: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/200656-how-make-all-mobile-websites-display-perfectly.html?
Nov 21 04:20:53 <Manifest> No one?
Nov 21 04:20:54 <Manifest> :\
Nov 21 04:21:45 <ird> WebOS Quick Install does it I think.
Nov 21 04:21:56 <ird> It used to anyways, I haven't used it in a few versions.
Nov 21 04:22:38 <Manifest> ird: It does do it, but I'm running WebOS 1.3.1, the version that is on WOQI does not work on 1.3.1
Nov 21 05:06:36 <Flashpass> wow this webos irc chat is pretty nice
Nov 21 05:08:54 <Flashpass> unless no one can hear me right now... haha
Nov 21 05:09:08 <grndslm> :P
Nov 21 05:09:16 <sugardave> I can't hear you
Nov 21 05:11:58 <Flashpass> that's it filing bug report
Nov 21 05:12:12 <Smubeht> hrmm
Nov 21 05:12:23 <Smubeht> so anything new in the grape vine?
Nov 21 05:12:57 <Flashpass> yeah pre news has been a little quiet
Nov 21 05:29:17 <PreGame> does my tether 1.5.0 work on 1.3.1?
Nov 21 05:29:43 <sslow_> +pr
Nov 21 05:29:50 <SirWill> Good question. ;)
Nov 21 05:30:24 <sslow_> +pregame as i understand it only the bt and usb not wifi
Nov 21 05:31:07 <SirWill> Jason sent me here to tell Rod and Puff that it was time to start working on wTether.
Nov 21 05:33:47 <sslow_> SirWill: wTether would be the great
Nov 21 05:33:58 <sslow_> est
Nov 21 05:53:40 <Abyssul> I curse Palm for not supporting animated gifs...
Nov 21 05:54:56 <kesne> why?
Nov 21 06:56:43 <WillJitsu> what does it mean when Preware is fixing unknown packages?
Nov 21 07:46:27 <ird> Not to throw things off topic or anything but...
Nov 21 07:46:29 <ird> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A0rwG39Jzk&feature=player_embedded
Nov 21 08:13:28 <hmagoo> the open to call log phone patch seems to not be working lately.
Nov 21 08:14:01 <hmagoo> unless its in the call log when you close it?
Nov 21 08:51:04 <Alan__> Hi
Nov 21 09:03:28 <oc80z> yea
Nov 21 09:43:20 <Alan__> Hey
Nov 21 10:10:10 * rwhitby bbt
Nov 21 10:17:11 <jauderho_> meh
Nov 21 13:06:57 <noriX> hi
Nov 21 13:07:46 <noriX> I'm trying to use WebOS QuickInstall with archlinux and palm pre, but it cant detect the device...
Nov 21 13:08:16 <noriX> i've install  [14:08] [noriX(+ei)] [3:freenode/#webos-internals(+cnt)] [Act: 1,2]
Nov 21 13:08:26 <noriX> sry..
Nov 21 13:08:40 <noriX> i've installed palm-mojo-sdk , which contains novaterm / novacom ...
Nov 21 13:08:50 <noriX> but i do still get the same error...
Nov 21 13:09:09 <noriX> my palm is connected via usb, and turned to "charge only"
Nov 21 13:12:14 <noriX> ok, it works now, i didnt started novacom service
Nov 21 13:48:21 <xorg-pc> +rwhitby: rod, you on?
Nov 21 13:48:41 <xorg-pc> +oil: ping
Nov 21 14:00:17 <ghost_7> /
Nov 21 14:48:40 <Ghost-77> ack
Nov 21 16:21:25 <drfunk> is it possible to compile a eggdrop on the Pre ?
Nov 21 16:22:53 <drfunk> anyone no ?
Nov 21 16:53:45 <ghost_7> !help
Nov 21 17:12:23 <marcojr> hi everyone
Nov 21 17:14:52 <marcojr> i experienced a problem on WebOS Doctor 1.3.1, see anyone could give a hand to me
Nov 21 17:15:48 <marcojr> for my Pre, I dont have any update received from OTA, thus i would like to upgrade by using 1.3.1....which i dont have any problem when using 1.2.1......Windows 7 x64...with proper Java and Novacom installed
Nov 21 17:16:16 <marcojr> however, with the 1.3.1 webos dr....the status stopped on 10%....means the Pre not rebooting and flashing....
Nov 21 17:16:29 <marcojr> tried both PC and Mac..... no luck.... anyone can help?
Nov 21 18:07:56 <thebitguru> Hi, once I have copied a .jar service how do I get it to "refresh" after I make changes and upload a newer jar file?
Nov 21 18:45:33 <db_> hey all, I am attempting to use PreWare to install the command line patch, it fails at the post-install script
Nov 21 18:46:12 <db_> Preware says it is saving the rejected operations to a file, but when I SCP into the phone, the file is not there?
Nov 21 19:01:03 <thebitguru> anyone have any ideas on how to get luna to reload a service?
Nov 21 19:04:17 <db_> without a luna restart?
Nov 21 19:04:48 <thebitguru> no, any way :)
Nov 21 19:05:05 <thebitguru> stop LunaSysMgr; start... is that what you are suggesting?
Nov 21 19:05:29 <db_> yes
Nov 21 19:06:17 <thebitguru> let me try that.
Nov 21 19:06:37 <thebitguru> Is there an easy to find the root cause for when you get "Launch helper exited with unknown return code 0" from luna-send?
Nov 21 19:10:42 <thebitguru> db_: can you help me with this service over a remote desktop session (flash-based)?
Nov 21 19:16:25 <thebitguru> where does dbus log its errors?
Nov 21 19:21:52 <thebitguru> db_: restarting LunaSysMgr didn't refresh, but a restart of the vm did. any ideas on what other service it might be that actually does the refresh?
Nov 21 19:44:03 <thebitguru> never mind, I found it: stop java-serviceboot; start java-serviceboot
Nov 21 19:44:57 <db_> thebitguru: I'm afraid I have exhausted my knowledge in that area - although you can pipe the dbus messages to a file and retrieve the file
Nov 21 19:46:02 <thebitguru> db_: ok, thanks anyways. I think I am all set for this issue, now on to the next challenge :)
Nov 21 20:12:55 <swisstomcat> any sound specialists around?
Nov 21 20:13:45 <Marajin> swisstomcat: Depends what you want them to be a specialist in
Nov 21 20:13:54 <Marajin> oh
Nov 21 20:13:56 <Marajin> sorry, misread
Nov 21 20:13:57 <Marajin> sound
Nov 21 20:13:59 <Marajin> apologies
Nov 21 20:15:01 <swisstomcat> my app plays as sound on shaking the device
Nov 21 20:15:04 <swisstomcat> so far so good
Nov 21 20:15:38 <swisstomcat> but i need an event handler to detect when it has stopped playing
Nov 21 20:15:50 <swisstomcat> but that one doesn't work
Nov 21 20:18:36 <swisstomcat> doh
Nov 21 20:18:43 <swisstomcat> it does work
Nov 21 20:19:01 <swisstomcat> Mojo.log.error doesn't work , that's the problem
Nov 21 20:19:26 <swisstomcat> *slapsforehead*
Nov 21 21:32:57 <jlederman> can i view the contents of a directory such as /tmp/ through the terminal?
Nov 21 21:33:11 <oil> cd /temp
Nov 21 21:33:12 <oil> ls
Nov 21 21:33:17 <jlederman> thanks
Nov 21 21:33:45 <Jellica> Hello? I just have one quick question to ask in regard to some patches on my Pre...
Nov 21 21:34:18 <oil> dBsooner: ping
Nov 21 21:34:27 <dBsooner> oil: syn|ack
Nov 21 21:34:29 <oil> Jellica needs your help
Nov 21 21:34:32 <oil> :)
Nov 21 21:34:44 <dBsooner> Ask away
Nov 21 21:35:20 <Jellica> Okay, I just did the recent software update and now my patches aren't working
Nov 21 21:35:31 <dBsooner> ~webos-update
Nov 21 21:35:32 <infobot> from memory, webos-update is ATTENTION: For help with Patches not working after 1.3.1 update, PLEASE follow these instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions
Nov 21 21:35:48 <dBsooner> :D
Nov 21 21:36:15 <dBsooner> ~botsnack
Nov 21 21:36:15 <infobot> thanks, dBsooner
Nov 21 21:36:34 <Jellica> So I just need to follow the instructions listed on this page?
Nov 21 21:36:49 <dBsooner> Yep.. basically you need to run the EPR
Nov 21 21:36:56 <dBsooner> then make sure all patches are gone
Nov 21 21:36:59 <dBsooner> then start reinstalling
Nov 21 21:37:13 <Jellica> Okay will do! Thanks! You guys rock!
Nov 21 21:37:23 <dBsooner> Ask if you have any more questions though
Nov 21 21:37:40 <Jellica> No doubt!
Nov 21 21:38:07 <dBsooner> I am not blowing you off.. The patches not working after 1.3.1 update is like the #1 question lately
Nov 21 21:38:23 <dBsooner> so rwhitby let me make wirc-update an infobot command. :D
Nov 21 21:38:38 <oil> webos-*
Nov 21 21:38:58 <dBsooner> ?"
Nov 21 21:39:12 <oil> "so rwhitby let me make wirc-update an infobot command."
Nov 21 21:39:16 <dBsooner> oh yeah.. EVERYTIME you update webos these instructions apply
Nov 21 21:39:29 <dBsooner> oh yeah.. webos-update an infobot command
Nov 21 21:39:31 <dBsooner> muh bad
Nov 21 21:39:35 <dBsooner> I was chatting in wirc
Nov 21 21:39:42 <dBsooner> oil, did rwhitby send you my email?
Nov 21 21:39:46 <Jellica> I don't feel like you are blowing me off at all.  I wasn't expecting to get an answer so quickly.  Alright, again, thanks dbsooner! I'm out!
Nov 21 21:39:49 <dBsooner> or did you get my messages in here last night?
Nov 21 21:40:02 <dBsooner> Jellica: no problem.
Nov 21 21:40:23 <oil> email?
Nov 21 21:40:28 <dBsooner> i sent it to him
Nov 21 21:40:31 <oil> message here?
Nov 21 21:40:42 * oil goes to get lunch xD
Nov 21 21:40:52 <dBsooner> sigh
Nov 21 21:41:38 <dBsooner> I was stuck in the changelog displaying every launch
Nov 21 21:41:53 <dBsooner> luna restart fixed it
Nov 21 21:42:11 <oil> yeah, i know about that bug
Nov 21 21:42:17 <oil> imma check into it, since my phone is doing it
Nov 21 21:42:21 <oil> i can actually debug it
Nov 21 21:42:30 <oil> brb
Nov 21 21:42:37 <dBsooner> k
Nov 21 21:42:41 <dBsooner> I was just telling you wha tI had found
Nov 21 21:42:46 <dBsooner> and I'll post a bug about wirc in wirc
Nov 21 21:46:03 <PuffTheMagic> no it looks fine
Nov 21 21:46:15 <dBsooner> hmm
Nov 21 21:46:19 <dBsooner> mine was chopped
Nov 21 21:46:45 <dBsooner> like the last 20 chars
Nov 21 22:52:44 <jauderho_> ping dBsooner
Nov 21 22:53:01 <dBsooner> what up jauderho_?
Nov 21 22:53:09 <jauderho_> is there a reason why everything in the git repo was deleted?
Nov 21 22:53:15 <dBsooner> yep
Nov 21 22:53:22 <dBsooner> I am sick of everything and everyone
Nov 21 22:53:34 <dBsooner> so I am bringing down the hammer and screwing over webos-inernals
Nov 21 22:53:35 <dBsooner> :D
Nov 21 22:53:49 <dBsooner> everything was deleted in the master branch
Nov 21 22:53:58 <dBsooner> but not really
Nov 21 22:54:01 <dBsooner> it was moved to webos-1.2.1 branch
Nov 21 22:54:15 <dBsooner> "git branch webos-1.2.1 origin/webos-1.2.1"
Nov 21 22:54:29 <dBsooner> "git branch webos-1.3.1 origin/webos-1.3.1"
Nov 21 22:54:38 <dBsooner> git pull
Nov 21 22:54:39 <Marajin> allo allo allo
Nov 21 22:55:04 <jauderho_> ah
Nov 21 22:55:20 <dBsooner> git checkout webos-1.3.1
Nov 21 22:55:26 <dBsooner> make changes
Nov 21 22:55:29 <dBsooner> git add .
Nov 21 22:55:32 <dBsooner> git push
Nov 21 22:55:35 <dBsooner> err
Nov 21 22:55:39 <dBsooner> git commit -m "blah"
Nov 21 22:55:41 <dBsooner> git push
Nov 21 22:58:48 <jauderho_> dBsooner: btw, the misc-powersave patches still arent showing up in preware
Nov 21 23:00:03 <dBsooner> jauderho_: I know .. I am trying to fix that too
Nov 21 23:00:24 <dBsooner> can you send me an email @ webos-patches@dbsooner.com to remind of the patches you have added that aren't in the feed?
Nov 21 23:00:59 <jauderho_> oh okay. only reason I mention it is because the cpu scaling thread has seen some action recently and I wanted the precentrallers to have that as an option. will email
Nov 21 23:01:22 <dBsooner> mmk
Nov 21 23:01:29 <dBsooner> yeah, if its in my email inbox it reminds me
Nov 21 23:03:22 <jauderho_> email sent
Nov 21 23:03:56 <dBsooner> thanks
Nov 21 23:03:57 <dBsooner> got it
Nov 21 23:09:42 <MetaView> hi
Nov 21 23:10:24 <zsoc> yo
Nov 21 23:11:20 <MetaView> if I want to compile a service on a windows box, what do I need?
Nov 21 23:11:23 <MetaView> codesourcery ?
Nov 21 23:11:24 <MetaView> is it correct?
Nov 21 23:11:57 <MetaView> it let me download it, but is it free? there is a buy link
Nov 21 23:15:01 <zsoc> MetaView, please define 'compile a service'
Nov 21 23:16:27 <MetaView> I would like to use wirc-service and write my own stuff
Nov 21 23:16:48 <MetaView> at the end I will control Audio
Nov 21 23:17:30 <zsoc> Oh. I believe that's a native C service. I honestly don't know the answer to that. I'd imagine it has to be cross compile for arm... but I'm not sure if it's even an executable. Your best bet is to ask the guys that wrote it (#wirc) or wait here for another answer
Nov 21 23:17:58 <MetaView> ok
Nov 21 23:18:20 <MetaView> yes, it is C, and I'm not sure if i go the right way to setup the compiler and stuff
Nov 21 23:18:37 <MetaView> I might ask in wirc too, right
Nov 21 23:18:58 <MetaView> I s there another way to write a service? Except using C?
Nov 21 23:19:02 <MetaView> probably not, or?
Nov 21 23:19:40 <zsoc> MetaView, most services are written in Java
Nov 21 23:19:51 <zsoc> Service writing in general is a hack, and not supported by palm.
Nov 21 23:20:09 <zsoc> Services were only able to be recently written in C, based on some headers that Palm released not too long ago, a month or so.
Nov 21 23:20:11 <MetaView> ok, but can Java access stuff like pulseaudio?
Nov 21 23:20:24 <zsoc> Access is a funny word. I don't claim to be a java guru.
Nov 21 23:20:55 <MetaView> Java is another sandbox, right?
Nov 21 23:21:17 <MetaView> anyway, I like C more than Java (let alone JS) :D
Nov 21 23:22:06 <rwhitby> morning
Nov 21 23:22:21 <MetaView> morning
Nov 21 23:23:02 <zsoc> rwhitby, morning
Nov 21 23:23:14 <zsoc> MetaView,  define "another sandbox" please?
Nov 21 23:23:41 <MetaView> do you have access to the underlying fielsystem?
Nov 21 23:23:44 <MetaView> file...
Nov 21 23:24:12 <MetaView> can you call lib-functions from linux?
Nov 21 23:24:18 <zsoc> MetaView, oh, I see what you mean now. Java supports many api's such as "Process" to access/run environmental elements.. but it's certainly not going to be as function as a C service
Nov 21 23:24:27 <zsoc> And if you don't know Java, that's a long road.
Nov 21 23:24:39 <zsoc> Someone needs to write some good documentation on getting a C service working in webos.
Nov 21 23:24:47 <MetaView> I know it, but don't use it often
Nov 21 23:24:49 <zsoc> For now you can try to mimic wirc and ask around.
Nov 21 23:24:57 <MetaView> I will, thx
Nov 21 23:31:23 <jauderho_> is there any rule of thumb how much mem each service takes?
Nov 21 23:32:15 <zsoc> my service takes all of the memory
Nov 21 23:32:18 <zsoc> and then some
Nov 21 23:32:24 <jauderho_> all your mem are belong to us
Nov 21 23:32:29 <MetaView> which one is yours?
Nov 21 23:32:57 <zsoc> MetaView, the memory-leaky media oriented one :P
Nov 21 23:33:50 <MetaView> is it java? there is no memory leak in java, just a missing gc step :)
Nov 21 23:34:31 <Laxidasical> Anyone from the webOS-internals crew here?
Nov 21 23:34:54 <rwhitby> Laxidasical: yes
Nov 21 23:34:55 <zsoc> MetaView, there _is_ memory leak when you're using Java.io.* :P
Nov 21 23:35:42 <MetaView> zsoc: now you destroy my universe
Nov 21 23:36:45 <Laxidasical> I started developing for webOS about a month ago.  To date, the best tutorial / code example I've found on using SQLite has been at your site.  I'd like to request a tutorial of how to do multi-stage apps with a background stage.  I can't find a sold example of this anywhere online.
Nov 21 23:37:06 <jauderho_> I was going to suggest a service to remove old files from /var/luna/data/emails but maybe it's not worth it
Nov 21 23:37:51 <Laxidasical> rwhitby: By the way, you guys do fantastic work!  Palm should contract work out to you...
Nov 21 23:39:37 <zsoc> Laxidasical, I don't think they could afford him
Nov 21 23:39:57 <rwhitby> zsoc: nor, the other developers, such as yourself.
Nov 21 23:40:14 <zsoc> No, no, they could probably afford me ;)
Nov 21 23:40:53 <rwhitby> Laxidasical: as far as requesting tutorials for webOS goes, I'd point you to pre101.com for stuff like that.
Nov 21 23:41:23 <rwhitby> It's unlikely that webos-internals developers would create such a tutorial, but not unlikely that webos developers might.
Nov 21 23:41:57 <Marajin> heh :)
Nov 21 23:42:03 <Marajin> my htc kovsky lives again!
Nov 21 23:42:06 * Marajin gave it a bath.
Nov 21 23:43:52 <Laxidasical> Ah, I see.  It must have been a dev that posted this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mojo_Storage_Database
Nov 21 23:46:02 <Laxidasical> Once I've developed a few more apps I plan to start a site with actual code examples of how to do what.  I miss having a resource like PHP.net's site where you can fine information on any available function along with a solid code example.
Nov 21 23:46:21 <Laxidasical> Anyway, thanks for the info!
Nov 21 23:47:31 <jauderho_> Laxidasical: just post it to webos-internals site. easier to have one site. thx
Nov 21 23:48:10 <zsoc> webOS is at an interesting cross-ways with documentation. things seem to be widely known before they are documented at all
Nov 21 23:50:11 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 22 00:26:36 <Decimate> i just had 200 cards open :|
Nov 22 00:26:36 <fritos1406> hello :)
Nov 22 00:26:53 <zsoc> Decimate, i just had 200 processes open
Nov 22 00:26:56 <zsoc> forkbomb ftw
Nov 22 00:27:11 <fritos1406> can anyone help me out in making a button work.?
Nov 22 00:27:20 <fritos1406> im working on a patch
Nov 22 00:27:48 <Decimate> what does this patch do fritos1406? :)
Nov 22 00:28:31 <fritos1406> well its just allows u to resend a message in the messaging app
Nov 22 00:28:48 <fritos1406> it gives an option to resend in the sub menus
Nov 22 00:29:00 <Decimate> but theres copy text
Nov 22 00:29:04 <Decimate> why not just copy and paste ? :;/
Nov 22 00:29:42 <fritos1406> i dont wanna have to deal with it all times...im lazy and it bothers me
Nov 22 00:30:01 <Decimate> fair enough, just curious
Nov 22 00:30:07 <fritos1406> im halfway done but cant seem to get the button to work
Nov 22 00:34:47 <fritos1406> anyone.?at least just a bit of help...
Nov 22 01:12:41 <mandaman2k> Hi
Nov 22 01:16:35 <mandaman2k> one question, I uses de Webos-Internals Meta-Doctor on the 1.3.1 WebOS Doctor only to bypass the activation screen, I've already managed to get my network settings on and now I have EVDO and everything. Next I ran the FirstUse App to login to my palm profile, everything went well, except that the FirstUse app is still in the launcher, how can I remove it?
Nov 22 01:19:50 <mandaman2k> anyone can help?
Nov 22 01:22:09 <mandaman2k> Hi All, one question, I uses de Webos-Internals Meta-Doctor on the 1.3.1 WebOS Doctor only to bypass the activation screen, I've already managed to get my network settings on and now I have EVDO and everything. Next I ran the FirstUse App to login to my palm profile, everything went well, except that the FirstUse app is still in the launcher, how can I remove it?
Nov 22 01:27:04 <mandaman2k> anyone?
Nov 22 01:27:34 <Abyssul__> Wait for rwhitby to answer that
Nov 22 01:28:14 <mandaman2k> ohh, ok, thanks
Nov 22 01:29:46 <fritos1406>  hey so can anyone help me out in a patch.?
Nov 22 01:30:03 <sk1tt1sh2> whats up fritos
Nov 22 01:30:34 <fritos1406> can u help me out.?
Nov 22 01:31:54 <fritos1406> its a patch for the messaging app...just adding another button in the sub menus
Nov 22 01:33:21 <fritos1406>  hello?
Nov 22 01:34:25 <zsoc> hi
Nov 22 01:35:09 <Eguy> heya zsoc
Nov 22 01:35:16 <fritos1406> so is anyone available in helping me out with the patch..
Nov 22 01:36:29 <dBsooner> jauderho_: ping
Nov 22 01:37:12 <fritos1406> u can help.?
Nov 22 01:38:14 <zsoc> Eguy, yo
Nov 22 01:41:13 <sk1tt1sh2> sorry
Nov 22 01:41:22 <sk1tt1sh2> not sure on that fritos
Nov 22 01:41:52 <fritos1406> mmm :(
Nov 22 01:42:03 <jauderho_> dBsooner: yes
Nov 22 01:42:19 <dBsooner> jauderho_: I need a description for powersave-cpu-scaling
Nov 22 01:42:27 <fritos1406> im like nearly done but justcant seem to get the button to work
Nov 22 01:42:38 <jauderho_> dBsooner: I'll email you
Nov 22 01:42:44 <dBsooner> and for powersave-smartreflex
Nov 22 01:42:51 <jauderho_> and one for powersave-smartreflex.
Nov 22 01:42:56 <dBsooner> :D
Nov 22 01:43:02 <dBsooner> thanks
Nov 22 01:43:48 <dBsooner> jauderho_: aand homeapge
Nov 22 01:43:59 <dBsooner> s/aand homeapge/and homepage/
Nov 22 01:43:59 <infobot> dBsooner meant: jauderho_: and homepage
Nov 22 01:44:14 <jauderho_> hmm.
Nov 22 01:44:18 <jauderho_> no homepage okay?
Nov 22 01:44:31 <jauderho_> dont really have one for it.
Nov 22 01:44:40 <jauderho_> or I guess we can point it to the cpu scaling thread
Nov 22 01:51:58 <Decimate> powersave-cpu-scaling up yet?
Nov 22 01:52:45 <jauderho_> no not yet
Nov 22 01:52:50 <jauderho_> I'm writing the desc up.
Nov 22 01:54:25 <droO> !!!
Nov 22 01:54:27 <droO> is it stable?
Nov 22 01:54:29 <Decimate> the KeyToss patch doesnt seem to want to install for me :/
Nov 22 01:57:42 <jauderho_> droO: not always. YMMV.
Nov 22 01:57:56 <jauderho_> I use the cet-cpuspeed myself
Nov 22 01:58:02 <jauderho_> dBsooner: emailed to you
Nov 22 01:58:05 <sk1tt1sh> there a way to get rid of sprint apps?
Nov 22 01:58:18 <dBsooner> jauderho_: thank you
Nov 22 01:58:52 <jauderho_> the desc is a little wordy. but the warning def needs to be there. smartreflex and cpu-scaling cannot be combined together
Nov 22 02:00:26 <droO> ymmv?
Nov 22 02:00:28 <droO> ;o
Nov 22 02:01:33 <jauderho_> dBsooner: : could you modify the patch real quick or create a second patch that only does smartreflex and not overclock
Nov 22 02:01:35 <jauderho_> http://github.com/jauderho/webos-hacks/blob/webos-1.2.1/misc/misc-powersave-smartreflex.patch
Nov 22 02:01:53 <jauderho_> remove lines 28-31
Nov 22 02:02:03 <jauderho_> this is at the request of jshoff80 in the forums
Nov 22 02:05:42 <sk1tt1sh> does the +100mhz improve the phone speed alot?
Nov 22 02:06:03 <jauderho_> it's noticeably faster
Nov 22 02:06:09 <jauderho_> on earlier versions of webos
Nov 22 02:06:10 <jauderho_> BUT
Nov 22 02:06:16 <sdodson> One would assume 20% increase.
Nov 22 02:06:23 <jauderho_> your phone is also noticeably hotter
Nov 22 02:06:23 <jauderho_> so YMMV
Nov 22 02:06:41 <sk1tt1sh> haha hhotter = no thanks :p
Nov 22 02:06:45 <jauderho_> I have not tried either patch since moving to 1.3.1 and getting an extended battery
Nov 22 02:06:47 <sk1tt1sh> that why they under clocked it?
Nov 22 02:07:27 <jauderho_> the underclocking happened because on earlier revs of the 3430 chip, they would fail at 600mhz
Nov 22 02:08:43 <jauderho_> start reading here http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/192181-stable-cpu-frequency-scaling-app-here-27.html#post2045250
Nov 22 02:13:53 <sk1tt1sh> will a webos update make it so I can't install an app from the app store "There isn't enough available memory" error?
Nov 22 02:14:49 <sdodson> How would we know what's going to happen with future webos updates?
Nov 22 02:19:27 <jauderho_> sk1tt1sh: not that I know of
Nov 22 02:19:36 <jauderho_> sdodson: wait for it to be released.
Nov 22 02:19:46 <sk1tt1sh> dang wonder why it's saying that it's not got enough memory?
Nov 22 02:19:57 <sk1tt1sh> 6+gb free on the storage side
Nov 22 02:20:02 <sk1tt1sh> is it saying ram?
Nov 22 02:20:31 <sk1tt1sh> could it be dev mod being on?
Nov 22 02:29:05 <sslow> Anybody try screenshots in 1.3.1? mines no longer working!!!
Nov 22 02:29:05 <sdodson> jauderho_: Yes, I was trying to suggest that it was silly to speculate as to what a future update of WebOS would fix.
Nov 22 02:29:55 <sslow> somebody try this and let me know please
Nov 22 02:30:26 <Decimate> hmm, let me try
Nov 22 02:30:32 <Decimate> what are the keys to take the ss again?
Nov 22 02:30:42 <sslow> decimate: thanks
Nov 22 02:31:03 <sslow> orange +sym + p
Nov 22 02:31:11 <Decimate> works fine
Nov 22 02:31:13 <Decimate> took one
Nov 22 02:31:16 <Decimate> showed up in my pictures.
Nov 22 02:31:47 <sslow> ok ill try a restart and see if that fixes it
Nov 22 02:37:42 <sslow> Still not working for me...Thats weird
Nov 22 02:41:56 <fritos1406> screenshot is working for me
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