**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 23 02:59:56 2009
Nov 23 03:11:18 <sampson> lol how bout that nfs "video"
Nov 23 03:11:51 <sk1tt1sh2> haha
Nov 23 03:12:13 <sk1tt1sh> How about some fkn mms on cricket. Weak..
Nov 23 03:13:36 <sampson> i could've made a better fake than that :\
Nov 23 03:16:16 <Abyssul> Ahh.. nothing like a fake rumor on the front page of PreCentral :)
Nov 23 03:17:10 <sampson> it's deliciously horribly pulled off
Nov 23 03:17:53 <sampson> and i'm reminded why i don't read precentral tonight
Nov 23 03:18:33 <Abyssul> The photoshopped app catalog has a missing list item divider
Nov 23 03:18:43 <Abyssul> and the number of apps font is wrong
Nov 23 03:18:48 <sampson> yup
Nov 23 03:19:04 <sampson> and the pic of the app should have 2 blank ones behind it
Nov 23 03:20:50 <Abyssul> Which is the reason he didn't touch the screen too. Its a video :p
Nov 23 03:23:23 <Abyssul> Wish we had GPU already
Nov 23 03:28:11 <Abyssul> The background is lighter too
Nov 23 03:31:13 <Abyssul> I can tell by the pixels, its a fake. :P Photoshop zoom ftw
Nov 23 03:31:21 <Abyssul> Sorry, I have nothing better to talk about lol
Nov 23 03:31:47 <sampson> lol
Nov 23 03:33:34 <ryran> hey peeeps! can anyone remind me: are tasks & notes included in the Pre's built-in backup util?
Nov 23 03:33:44 <Abyssul> Yes
Nov 23 03:34:03 <ryran> hmmmm. I seeeeee. thanks. I don't know what got me thinking they weren't.
Nov 23 03:34:10 <ryran> (well yeah I do, but still.)
Nov 23 03:58:36 <Decimate> :/
Nov 23 03:58:45 <Decimate> i cant use palm-install or palm-package or anything
Nov 23 03:58:50 <Decimate> my computer doesnt let me :(
Nov 23 04:07:49 <destinal> Rick_work: the iphone hacking being profit oriented is a more recent thing
Nov 23 04:09:51 <sampson> i dunno why anyone would pay for any app on a phone tbqh
Nov 23 04:10:02 <sampson> i've looked at the app store on my mac and i just scratch my head
Nov 23 04:10:21 <sampson> ads are fine for me
Nov 23 04:10:52 <sampson> i do need to donate to webos-internals tho for such a fine irc client tho!
Nov 23 04:12:29 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ping
Nov 23 04:13:40 <dBsooner> hmm
Nov 23 04:13:51 <dBsooner> Anyone heard of a so called "webOS 1.3.1 memory leak"?
Nov 23 04:17:53 <sampson> dBsooner: there is one with sound due to a change in how it functions
Nov 23 04:18:10 <dBsooner> oh, this wasn't about that.
Nov 23 04:18:16 <dBsooner> this is a patch diomark submitted
Nov 23 04:18:51 <dBsooner> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/216384-patch-cleanup-event-listeners-fix-webos-1-3-1-memory-leak.html
Nov 23 04:19:12 <dBsooner> I have a hard time packaging up a patch that "claims" an improvement
Nov 23 04:20:21 <sampson> easy way to check it is to load up the navigation app
Nov 23 04:20:33 <sampson> that thing just chokes and dies in 1.3.1
Nov 23 04:21:29 <sampson> do you have the fix enabled? because i think there was more change than that... there's an issue with smaller mp3s stopping halfway through the audio
Nov 23 04:58:13 <Abyssul> Yawn
Nov 23 05:03:23 <drupsd> hey guys, does anybody know anything about the apn changes in 1.3.1?
Nov 23 05:11:57 <bpadalino> apn ?
Nov 23 05:12:37 <drupsd> for data
Nov 23 05:12:46 <bpadalino> i don't know what an apn is
Nov 23 05:13:09 <drupsd> for 3g
Nov 23 05:13:22 <drupsd> domain, user + pass
Nov 23 05:13:59 <bpadalino> ah
Nov 23 05:14:00 <bpadalino> interesting
Nov 23 05:14:23 <drupsd> they made some changes and now changing the carrier db doesn't work anymore
Nov 23 05:35:11 <jlederman> where do I copy my ssh rsa key to?
Nov 23 05:35:23 <jlederman> (sorry if that is a silly question)
Nov 23 05:38:12 <Abyssul> How do you make the Sprint App hide?
Nov 23 05:38:18 <Abyssul> It doesn't have a appinfo.json file
Nov 23 05:58:06 <jauderho> dBsooner: ping
Nov 23 05:59:21 <dBsooner> jauderho:
Nov 23 05:59:23 <dBsooner> ?
Nov 23 05:59:46 <jauderho> dBsooner: saw you moved the patches to dangerous/ =) thanks for doing that.
Nov 23 05:59:52 <dBsooner> no problem
Nov 23 05:59:55 <dBsooner> did you see the description?
Nov 23 06:00:22 <jauderho> could you also edit the 600mhz patch descriptions to say that they might crash/corrupt or otherwise cause a singularity event ?
Nov 23 06:00:26 <Abyssul> OOHOHH the havoc that will come of those overclock patches... :p
Nov 23 06:00:31 <jauderho> my pre is downstairs.
Nov 23 06:00:38 <jauderho> have not seen the new desc yet
Nov 23 06:01:03 <dBsooner> look at the new descript and you might UNrequest me editing the 600Mhz ones
Nov 23 06:02:16 <dBsooner> !!!WARNING!!! This patch is EXPERIMENTAL and should only be installed if you know what you are doing! !!!WARNING!!!
Nov 23 06:02:25 <dBsooner> that's what it says at the beginning of all 4
Nov 23 06:02:32 <Abyssul> Really?
Nov 23 06:02:40 <dBsooner> exactly like that
Nov 23 06:03:01 <Abyssul> Idiots don't read warnings, actually... they can't read at al.
Nov 23 06:03:13 * dBsooner doesn't care.
Nov 23 06:03:19 <Abyssul> Neither do I lol
Nov 23 06:03:24 * dBsooner puts the warning to say, "I TOLD YOU!"
Nov 23 06:03:36 <jauderho> thanks
Nov 23 06:03:48 <jauderho> that should be sufficient
Nov 23 06:03:51 <dBsooner> jauderho: I OBSOLETED the Misc/* patches
Nov 23 06:04:01 <jauderho> okay.
Nov 23 06:04:22 <dBsooner> so if anyone has a Misc/* patch installed, they will be given an "Update" that basically tells them to remove it and install the new one in Dangerous:
Nov 23 06:04:39 <jauderho> yeah there's someone in the forum asking if the patches are dangerous. AFTER a post that just says they are dangerous.
Nov 23 06:04:45 <jauderho> I mean W. T. H.
Nov 23 06:05:18 <Abyssul> I would laugh, but I gave up on humanity years back
Nov 23 06:05:22 <dBsooner> No disrespect, but I won't be installing them.
Nov 23 06:05:35 <jauderho> it's been an interesting 24hrs watching all the I don't understand what I'm doing but I'm going to stick my finger in the socket anyways.
Nov 23 06:05:37 <Abyssul> I have smartreflex manually installed
Nov 23 06:05:43 <dBsooner> If I had been given a free Pre for dev'ing, I would.. but this Pre is my only one.
Nov 23 06:05:55 <dBsooner> and my personal all-time phone.
Nov 23 06:05:58 <Abyssul> Not even SmartReflex dBsooner?
Nov 23 06:06:05 <jauderho> dBsooner: *shrug* no worries. they work but each individual pre reacts differently.
Nov 23 06:06:17 <jauderho> you could always just manually exec the commands via command first.
Nov 23 06:06:25 <dBsooner> Abyssul: I am not brave enough. I'll wait till the GPU gets enabled.
Nov 23 06:06:31 <jauderho> if you crash, it just reboots the phone and you are back to where you were
Nov 23 06:06:38 <jauderho> no harm no foul
Nov 23 06:06:56 <dBsooner> Right, but what about the rest of the board?
Nov 23 06:06:59 <jauderho> dBsooner: I trust that *you* have the skillz to exec via command line =)
Nov 23 06:07:02 <dBsooner> Can it handle the different speeds?
Nov 23 06:07:23 <dBsooner> Can the other hardware involved tolerate the changes? especially the overclocking?
Nov 23 06:07:35 <Abyssul> I dont overclock
Nov 23 06:07:36 <dBsooner> will overclocking cause unwanted heat build up?
Nov 23 06:07:48 <Abyssul> I used to overclock
Nov 23 06:08:02 <jauderho> dBsooner: you could run cpu-scaling WITHOUT the overclocking
Nov 23 06:08:05 <Abyssul> I sound like a druggie lol
Nov 23 06:08:16 <jauderho> all that does is just underclock when not in use.
Nov 23 06:08:16 <Abyssul> cpu-scaling = glitchy
Nov 23 06:08:21 <jauderho> perfect use case for me.
Nov 23 06:08:26 <dBsooner> jauderho: right.. but how does the rest of the board handle underclocking?
Nov 23 06:08:40 <Abyssul> cpuscaling gave me gittery video playback and f'ed my camera
Nov 23 06:08:43 <jauderho> just fine. (for me). YMMV.
Nov 23 06:08:57 <dBsooner> Yeah, that's the kicker, "YMMV".
Nov 23 06:09:07 <jauderho> dBsooner: or try smartreflex. OR try clipcarl's script
Nov 23 06:09:10 <Abyssul> ymmv?
Nov 23 06:09:20 <dBsooner> ~dict ymmv
Nov 23 06:09:22 <jauderho> I have clipcarl's script installed. works perfectly
Nov 23 06:09:22 <infobot> Dictionary 'ymmv' (3): Your Mileage May Vary (slang) ;; {Your mileage may vary} ;; // cav. Abbreviation for {Your mileage may vary} common on Usenet..
Nov 23 06:09:31 <Abyssul> hmmph
Nov 23 06:09:38 <dBsooner> ~botsnack
Nov 23 06:09:38 <infobot> dBsooner: aw, gee
Nov 23 06:10:07 <jauderho> it runs at 500mhz when the screen is on and 250mhz when screen is off.
Nov 23 06:10:11 <dBsooner> I can't wait till the GPU is enabled.. That will fix everything.
Nov 23 06:10:18 <jauderho> no it will not
Nov 23 06:10:18 <Abyssul> yep^
Nov 23 06:10:25 <jauderho> absolutely not.
Nov 23 06:10:35 <jauderho> GPU enabling will not give you more batt life
Nov 23 06:10:38 <dBsooner> s/will/should/
Nov 23 06:10:38 <infobot> dBsooner meant: I can't wait till the GPU is enabled.. That should fix everything.
Nov 23 06:10:48 * dBsooner doesn't care about battery life.
Nov 23 06:10:57 * dBsooner cares about processing things faster TBH.
Nov 23 06:11:02 <jauderho> that's what I care about.
Nov 23 06:11:20 <jauderho> gpu enabled does not mean faster v8
Nov 23 06:11:30 <jauderho> gpu enabled does not mean native json.
Nov 23 06:11:46 <dBsooner> It should.. as it should speed/free up video processing
Nov 23 06:11:50 <jauderho> gpu enabled does not mean faster java ==> lunasysmgr
Nov 23 06:11:57 <sryan_wirc> does that patch actually save power? I thought lowering voltage in combination with lowering freq is the best way
Nov 23 06:12:13 <jauderho> faster v8 as in a more recent release of v8
Nov 23 06:12:44 <jauderho> gpu enabled could mean faster video but gpu enabled will not mean everything is fixed.
Nov 23 06:12:47 <jauderho> sorry.
Nov 23 06:12:55 <dBsooner> well I said that out of line.
Nov 23 06:13:14 <jauderho> sryan_wirc: well yes, in theory
Nov 23 06:13:20 <dBsooner> It SHOULD make things better for speed. However, I think it WILL decrease battery life.
Nov 23 06:13:22 <jauderho> DO NOT COMBINE THE PATCHES.
Nov 23 06:13:28 <Abyssul> Well.... now that we've managed to crush my dreams.
Nov 23 06:13:42 <jauderho> I could continue crushing your dreams =)
Nov 23 06:14:16 <Abyssul> No no no... it's alright. I'm just gonna go cry in my corner.
Nov 23 06:14:25 <sryan_wirc> why can you not combine the patches
Nov 23 06:14:33 <Abyssul> Your  Pre explodes
Nov 23 06:14:51 <Abyssul> I mean, no one is gonna stop you
Nov 23 06:14:57 <Abyssul> but I'd call 911 first.
Nov 23 06:15:03 <jauderho> =)
Nov 23 06:15:14 <Abyssul> Bomb on a airplane anyone?
Nov 23 06:15:18 <Abyssul> Excellent idea
Nov 23 06:15:28 <jauderho> not going there.
Nov 23 06:15:47 <Abyssul> If I don't come back tomorrow, then you know what happened to me then. :p
Nov 23 06:16:08 <sryan_wirc> what's the technical reason
Nov 23 06:16:16 <Abyssul> They arn't compatible
Nov 23 06:16:30 <Abyssul> Voltage and cpu scaling don't mix
Nov 23 06:16:40 <Abyssul> Causes WebOS to crash constantly
Nov 23 06:16:51 <Abyssul> or not even boot as far as I've heard
Nov 23 06:17:17 <sryan_wirc> could palm theoretically have both of the power saving features in an update
Nov 23 06:21:01 <sryan_wirc> all pixel math is done on the cpu now right... so wouldn't it save power if done on the gpu since its more efficient at that kind of work
Nov 23 06:29:56 * PuffTheMagic is using freeTether :D
Nov 23 06:30:07 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: hurry and finish it
Nov 23 06:30:19 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: so we can make oil make the ui
Nov 23 06:30:37 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: im gonna do the ui
Nov 23 06:30:46 <dBsooner> not what oil said the other day
Nov 23 06:30:47 <PuffTheMagic> its simple enough and oil seems to be busy enough
Nov 23 06:31:08 <dBsooner> so you're going to make the pre a router?
Nov 23 06:31:20 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: i've hardly talked to him or egaudet all week
Nov 23 06:31:28 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: no not a router
Nov 23 06:31:33 <PuffTheMagic> just a default gw
Nov 23 06:32:06 <dBsooner> so you can connect to it over wifi or usb?
Nov 23 06:32:12 <dBsooner> possibly bluetooth?
Nov 23 06:32:32 <PuffTheMagic> yeah usb is easy cheesy
Nov 23 06:32:32 <jauderho> and when you guys are done, maybe someone can help me with coding up the removing of extraneous cached files for emails and attachments.
Nov 23 06:32:39 <PuffTheMagic> btalso
Nov 23 06:32:50 <PuffTheMagic> bt should be easy
Nov 23 06:33:06 <PuffTheMagic> and wifi will take "more" work
Nov 23 06:33:09 <PuffTheMagic> but its also easy
Nov 23 06:33:44 <dBsooner> awesome.. I look forward to the beta/alpha
Nov 23 06:37:19 <jauderho> argh
Nov 23 06:58:36 <Rick_work> jauderho,  fixing excessing caching will be conderful
Nov 23 07:00:07 <kesne> ~smack oil
Nov 23 07:00:08 * infobot smacks oil upside the head.
Nov 23 07:00:15 <kesne> ~owned
Nov 23 07:00:16 <infobot> No one gives a shit, kesne.
Nov 23 07:00:23 <kesne> heh
Nov 23 07:00:27 <kesne> ~facepalm
Nov 23 07:00:28 * infobot facepalms at the situation
Nov 23 07:07:01 <jauderho> ~facepalm
Nov 23 07:07:02 * infobot facepalms at the situation
Nov 23 07:08:20 <oil> i think ~facepalm is the best infobot command yet
Nov 23 07:09:43 <eMd> hello, i just want to say that i cant enalbe LED notifications with Preware and German 1.3.1 webOS
Nov 23 07:13:04 <Rick_work> No one has verified ANYTING in the patches against the european 131 yet
Nov 23 07:13:10 <Rick_work> Please give us a couple of days
Nov 23 07:13:41 <jauderho> Rick_work: sure it would but my javascript/java foo is not up to it =)
Nov 23 07:15:48 <jauderho> it would be nice to combine some of these services or have a safe way of running multiple shell commands together without incurring the cost (?) of multiple services running a single command.
Nov 23 07:33:49 <Marajin_> Rick_work: woot, they finally released 1.3.1 EU?
Nov 23 07:33:58 <Rick_work> yep
Nov 23 07:34:03 <Marajin_> Rick_work: nifty
Nov 23 07:34:10 <Marajin_> Took 'em long enough
Nov 23 07:34:44 * Marajin downloads the 1.3.1 EU doctor.. hopefully.
Nov 23 07:37:19 <jauderho> brb
Nov 23 07:37:56 <dBsooner> Rick_work: you awake?
Nov 23 07:41:57 <Rick_work> sort of
Nov 23 07:42:02 <Rick_work> dBsooner I wish I wasn't
Nov 23 07:42:04 <Rick_work> but I am
Nov 23 07:43:56 <dBsooner> lol
Nov 23 07:44:03 <dBsooner> I am about to head to the land of nod soon
Nov 23 07:44:28 <dBsooner> I was just searching for a way to view/edit an xls inside a mediawiki page
Nov 23 07:47:13 <dBsooner> Rick_work: I can't just "upload" it because XLS isn't in the list of allowed files.
Nov 23 07:47:39 <Rick_work> ok
Nov 23 07:47:49 <Rick_work> I can add that to the allowed file types.
Nov 23 07:47:51 <dBsooner> http://code-or-die.com/xls-in-mediawiki/
Nov 23 07:48:00 <Rick_work> Email me or remind me tommorow.
Nov 23 07:48:15 <Rick_work> because I'm not going to ssh in and screw with media wiki files when I am this tired.
Nov 23 07:48:22 <dBsooner> lol
Nov 23 07:48:28 <dBsooner> ok
Nov 23 07:48:30 <dBsooner> email?
Nov 23 07:50:08 <Rick_work> rboatright@gmail.com
Nov 23 07:52:12 <dBsooner> sent.. thanks
Nov 23 07:53:42 <WillJitsu> what does it mean when I try to download an app from the catalog and it goes through the download/install process and then says "Download again for free"? it does not show up in the launcher anywhere
Nov 23 08:00:52 <Rick_work> it means your download failed for some reason.  It might be app limit, might be a corrupt download
Nov 23 08:06:59 <WillJitsu> oh. does the app catalog not give you a warning when you have reached the app limit?
Nov 23 08:39:21 <Rick_work> used to.
Nov 23 08:56:18 <rwhitby> alpha version of the new backup utility should be up in the alpha testing feed within the next couple of hours
Nov 23 08:58:43 <joshua> this terminal app doesn't resize text properly and lets notifications overlap the terminal but it seems to work better than the last time i tried it
Nov 23 08:59:40 <devinkray> rwhitby, that sounds awesome!
Nov 23 09:00:48 <rwhitby> devinkray: Be aware that alpha means alpha.  There's a good chance that an alpha backup utility actually won't backup your data :-)
Nov 23 09:01:01 <joshua> has anyone ever tried rsyncing a root filesystem of a real pre and then rsyncing it back to the emulator? heh
Nov 23 09:02:02 <rwhitby> joshua: armv7 binaries don't work too well on an i686 emulator
Nov 23 09:03:02 <joshua> oh yeah, i forgot the emulator is a different chipset... thats kinda weird if you think about it
Nov 23 09:03:21 <joshua> but seeing as apps aren't compiled for the most part
Nov 23 09:04:17 <rwhitby> joshua: apps are fine.
Nov 23 09:04:37 <rwhitby> services and plugins and linux utilities are not
Nov 23 09:04:41 <joshua> i haven't been keeping up with this stuff
Nov 23 09:05:45 <joshua> did anyone ever try using the usb port to hook up a keyboard or usb drive
Nov 23 09:06:17 <joshua> if there are modules available for any of that
Nov 23 09:07:43 <joshua> don't think it gives power though
Nov 23 09:11:19 <joshua> need to try with a device that has its own power
Nov 23 09:25:38 <lingfish> I have my Pre, and I am in love :D
Nov 23 09:25:50 <lingfish> Just as I knew I would be
Nov 23 09:48:14 <joshua> booya
Nov 23 10:13:25 <rwhitby> lingfish: congrats
Nov 23 12:19:29 <lingfish> rwhitby: thanks :)  It is SO damned good :D
Nov 23 12:19:54 * rwhitby just found the package manager service startup bug
Nov 23 12:21:05 <crusti> hi all
Nov 23 12:22:16 <freakout> lingfish: yo!
Nov 23 12:22:25 <freakout> lingfish: does your App Catalog work?
Nov 23 12:22:47 <freakout> rwhitby: same question. I'm concerned Palm might have implemented new IP geo-restrictions
Nov 23 12:23:10 <crusti> is that possiblky why i cant find wirc in my preware
Nov 23 12:23:26 <freakout> crusti: you searching the "list of everything"?
Nov 23 12:23:42 <rwhitby> crusti: no
Nov 23 12:24:09 <rwhitby> crusti: what does it say in the webos-internals feed URL section in your Manage Feeds page in Preware?
Nov 23 12:24:50 <crusti> all i ever see is optware in webos internals feed
Nov 23 12:25:03 <rwhitby> crusti: read my question again
Nov 23 12:25:18 <crusti> ok
Nov 23 12:25:38 <rwhitby> does it list a preware.org URL, or does it say "Feed"
Nov 23 12:26:01 <rwhitby> freakout: app catalog works fine here on CDMA Sprint Pre in Australia
Nov 23 12:26:18 <crusti> ooops feeling silly now
Nov 23 12:26:25 <crusti> let me re-fresh
Nov 23 12:26:33 <freakout> rwhitby: cool. So it doesn't seem to be an IPaddress-based thing then
Nov 23 12:27:55 <freakout> rwhitby: I can download official updates to installed apps, but haven't been able to access the catalog since updating. Neither have other international importers on Twitter
Nov 23 12:29:07 <rwhitby> freakout: what did you update to?
Nov 23 12:29:11 <crusti> found it,
Nov 23 12:29:22 <freakout> rwhitby: OTA 1.3.1 for Europe
Nov 23 12:29:28 <crusti> i had webos feeds turned off :s
Nov 23 12:29:35 <freakout> crusti: lol
Nov 23 12:29:40 <crusti> been looking for days lol
Nov 23 12:30:12 <rwhitby> freakout: can you test an alpha ipkgservice for me please?
Nov 23 12:30:16 <crusti> i was convinced everything was updateing fine
Nov 23 12:30:22 <freakout> rwhitby: anything for you ;)
Nov 23 12:30:29 <rwhitby> freakout: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.21_all.ipk
Nov 23 12:30:38 <crusti> brb
Nov 23 12:30:44 <rwhitby> this one should fix the "Package Manager Service not running" but
Nov 23 12:30:46 <rwhitby> bug
Nov 23 12:33:50 <freakout> rwhitby: wasn't aware there was a bug, it's been running smooth as for me since updating
Nov 23 12:33:54 <crusti> whoohoo
Nov 23 12:34:28 <rwhitby> freakout: actually, before you update, can you test something?
Nov 23 12:34:36 <freakout> lol
Nov 23 12:34:39 <freakout> rwhitby: sure
Nov 23 12:34:42 <rwhitby> freakout: disable your webos-patches feed, then restart the pre
Nov 23 12:34:48 <rwhitby> I bet you'll get the bug.
Nov 23 12:35:00 <rwhitby> have a means to get a command line handy
Nov 23 12:35:13 <rwhitby> (or wosqi to upload the new ipkgservice version)
Nov 23 12:35:19 <freakout> rwhitby: gotcha
Nov 23 12:36:13 <rwhitby> freakout: turns out that if webos-patches was disabled, then the upstart script sed command which fixes the version in webos-patches failed (cause the file was called webos-patches.conf.disabled).  this failure caused the upstart script to exit, thereby never starting ipkgservice.
Nov 23 12:36:34 <rwhitby> this is why the problem only started occurring around 1.3.1
Nov 23 12:37:21 <freakout> rwhitby: feed disabled, pre rebooting now
Nov 23 12:37:47 <freakout> rwhitby: sheesh. Don'cha just love updates? ;)
Nov 23 12:38:18 <rwhitby> freakout: well, it was a bug that I introduced, not Palm.
Nov 23 12:38:31 <freakout> ~lart rwhitby
Nov 23 12:38:32 * infobot gives rwhitby an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending rwhitby to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple
Nov 23 12:38:41 <freakout> bad rwhitby!
Nov 23 12:39:14 <rwhitby> so it only happened to people who disabled the webos-patches feed.  everyone else was fine.
Nov 23 12:39:28 <freakout> why would anyone do that?
Nov 23 12:39:51 <freakout> lol
Nov 23 12:40:02 <freakout> rwhitby: yep, Package Manager Service is not running.
Nov 23 12:41:17 <rwhitby> freakout: ok, use WOSQI to apply the alpha version
Nov 23 12:41:34 <freakout> yep, doing so now. needed to reboot the Eee
Nov 23 12:41:53 <freakout> SD card slot has started dying in the stupid thing, which is where WOSQI is installed
Nov 23 12:44:15 <freakout> gah. technology is not my friend tonight
Nov 23 12:49:08 <freakout> rwhitby: okay, alpha ipkgservice is installed
Nov 23 12:49:13 <freakout> didn't work straight off. rebooting now
Nov 23 12:49:34 <rwhitby> freakout: yeah, it will need a reboot to get upstart to re-read the script
Nov 23 12:50:04 <freakout> rwhitby: you need a link to the German 1.3.1 doctor>
Nov 23 12:50:20 <freakout> i can dig one up if you have easy instructions
Nov 23 12:50:25 <rwhitby> freakout: they're already on the wiki page
Nov 23 12:50:29 <freakout> ah
Nov 23 12:50:30 <freakout> lol
Nov 23 12:50:33 <freakout> no wukkers ten
Nov 23 12:51:00 <rwhitby> and the code for the URLs has now been broken too.
Nov 23 12:51:20 <freakout> oh, that's nice.
Nov 23 12:51:37 <freakout> so my Java just DL'd the Doc - where has it been cached, if you know OTOH?
Nov 23 12:52:00 <rwhitby> dunno.  never used the official link
Nov 23 12:52:00 <freakout> rwhitby: alpha ipkg has done the trick
Nov 23 12:52:04 <freakout> lol
Nov 23 12:52:11 <freakout> typical hax0r :p
Nov 23 12:56:08 <rwhitby> freakout: you know the worst thing?
Nov 23 12:56:20 <freakout> mmm?
Nov 23 12:56:45 <rwhitby> there is actually code in the ipkgservice postinst script which retains the disabled status of any feeds.  So the postinst actively cause the bug to be retained across ipkgservice updates :-)
Nov 23 12:57:10 <freakout> lol
Nov 23 12:57:20 <freakout> That's what you get for trying to respect users' preferences
Nov 23 12:58:19 <freakout> rwhitby: incidentally, for future reference: the direct Doctor download link is contained within the .jnlp downloaded from the official link
Nov 23 12:58:51 <rwhitby> oh, yeah - first couple of lines or something, right?
Nov 23 12:59:28 <freakout> mmmhmmm. under "codebase", and then you paste the "jar href" onto the end of that
Nov 23 13:10:21 <rwhitby> Package Manager Service and Preware updates released.
Nov 23 13:29:33 <Marajin>  I need to reinstall preware now that I have a 1.3.1-eu firmware doctor'd onto my phone :p
Nov 23 13:32:22 <freakout> Marajin: your app catalog working?
Nov 23 13:32:30 <freakout> (which country are you in again?)
Nov 23 13:32:36 <Marajin> freakout: sure...
Nov 23 13:32:39 <Marajin> freakout: UK
Nov 23 13:33:01 <freakout> Marajin: bugger. Mine and other international users' isn't working after the update
Nov 23 13:33:28 <Marajin> freakout: define "isn't working" ?
Nov 23 13:33:45 <freakout> "App Catalog is unavailable. Try again later."
Nov 23 13:33:53 <freakout> I've had that message for the last six hours
Nov 23 13:33:59 <Marajin> Well it does take bloody ages to load for me so it's prolly just timing out
Nov 23 13:34:03 <Marajin> their server clearly sucks
Nov 23 13:34:10 <freakout> heh. hope so
Nov 23 13:34:14 <freakout> will try again when I get up tomorrow
Nov 23 13:34:19 <freakout> and on that note...
Nov 23 13:34:24 * freakout bbt. sleepy-time
Nov 23 13:35:02 <Marajin> freakout: enjoy :)
Nov 23 13:36:12 <Marajin> rwhitby: huh, the standalone installer doesn't appear to be working on my pre now
Nov 23 13:37:20 <Marajin> the installer claims success but the app is missing on the device.. curious, pretty sure it was fine the last coupla times
Nov 23 13:39:55 <Marajin> ...whoa, random, one second it's not there, next poof, it's arrived bizarre
Nov 23 13:41:31 <rwhitby> Marajin: a rescan is all that was required.
Nov 23 13:41:38 <rwhitby> next version of installer will do it automatically
Nov 23 13:42:27 <Marajin> rwhitby: logically you'd think so, except I'd already tried rebooting and it was missing, and it should rescan on rebooting
Nov 23 13:42:28 <rwhitby> hopefully the current versions just released will be stable enough to make a new installer out of them
Nov 23 13:42:42 <rwhitby> Marajin: yep, a reboot should have made it visible.
Nov 23 13:42:43 <Marajin> I was wondering why we're still on 0.9.5 for the installe
Nov 23 13:43:05 <rwhitby> we only update it after the versions have been out for a while with no problems.
Nov 23 13:43:20 <Marajin> fair enough :)
Nov 23 13:43:23 <Marajin> sensible practice really
Nov 23 13:43:26 <rwhitby> we've had the package manager service not running problem for a while now (I've only just fixed it tonight), so haven't updated.
Nov 23 13:43:40 <Marajin> except of course as soon as you run 0.9.5 it's going to go 'update me to 0.9.21!'
Nov 23 13:44:01 <Marajin> ah I have fallen prey to that issue myself before yes
Nov 23 13:44:12 <rwhitby> yep, but you have that choice - preware does not force an update.
Nov 23 13:44:20 <Marajin> true true
Nov 23 13:44:40 <Marajin> although the package description doesn't warn you about stable/non stable versions :p
Nov 23 13:44:45 <bmyers_here> how dangerous is the power scaling mods?
Nov 23 13:44:45 <rwhitby> so if it breaks once, you can re-do it and not update until you see a fix
Nov 23 13:45:04 <Marajin> bmyers_here: depends which one and what direction you're scaling in
Nov 23 13:45:18 <bmyers_here> ok, least dangerous?
Nov 23 13:45:29 <rwhitby> bmyers_here: until there are at least 10,000 hours of burn-in, no-one will know how dangerous they are.
Nov 23 13:45:51 <bmyers_here> maybe "burn-in" is a bad choice of words.. :)
Nov 23 13:46:59 <rwhitby> anyway, they affect the hardware, so they are marked as dangerous.
Nov 23 13:47:10 <rwhitby> if they turn out not to be dangerous, no harm is done.
Nov 23 13:51:28 <bmyers_here> kind of amazing palm did include some sort of cpu scaling out of the box given the abismal battery life
Nov 23 13:52:35 <bmyers_here> kind of amazing palm didNT
Nov 23 13:54:05 * rwhitby bbt
Nov 23 13:55:30 <Marajin> bmyers_here: I think that it does have cpu scaling out of the box, but they could have scaled lower/higher based on the chip specs
Nov 23 13:55:51 <Marajin> bmyers_here: from what I can recall it bounces between 250 and 500mhz (min and max)
Nov 23 13:56:03 <Marajin> and the mods allow you to go down to like 125-600 ranges
Nov 23 13:57:10 <bmyers_here> i'm not looking to overclock. quite the opposite. i'm looking to use my phone for more than 4-5 hours without hitting the bottom of the battery..
Nov 23 14:06:29 <Marajin> bmyers_here: well that's the ticket then isn't it, to drag the clockspeed down
Nov 23 14:06:42 <Marajin> while idling it'll drop to 125 with some of the mods
Nov 23 14:06:52 <Marajin> but realistically you aren't likely to see THAT much more battery life
Nov 23 14:06:59 <Marajin> as you're evidentally using the phone quite a bit
Nov 23 14:07:20 <Marajin> Mine'll struggle its way through 24 hours at least
Nov 23 14:07:54 <Marajin> and that's with 3 push email accounts, a 15 minute interval gmail check and some usage of web/PIM apps/calls
Nov 23 14:09:09 <Marajin> certainly it lasts long enough that I can yank it off its touchstone at 7am and drop it back on at 11pm without it dropping to critical power levels
Nov 23 14:10:12 <Marajin> which is a 17 hour day so..
Nov 23 14:12:41 <bmyers_here> i dont really care how long the battery lasts if i dont use the phone.
Nov 23 14:12:52 <Marajin> heh, quite
Nov 23 14:12:55 <bmyers_here> right?
Nov 23 14:12:58 <bmyers_here> i mean....
Nov 23 14:12:59 <Marajin> in theory you could lock your max cpu scale lower
Nov 23 14:13:06 <Marajin> and that'd extend your working battery life
Nov 23 14:13:08 <Marajin> but meh
Nov 23 14:13:35 <Marajin> you'd just have a laggy phone then
Nov 23 14:17:32 <bmyers_here> Marajin: u have the stock batt?
Nov 23 14:23:23 <Shadow-360> @ rwhitby, any idea as to whats causing failed downloads through preware over 3G?
Nov 23 14:24:07 <Shadow-360> Posted log, i think the precentral feed is playing up somewhere?
Nov 23 15:00:19 <Marajin> bmyers_here: I do yeah
Nov 23 15:31:07 <rwadkins_> Something's wrong with my pre.  After disconnecting it from a Mac saturday evening, it rebooted and never moved beyond the "palm" splash screen.  I just tried to run webosdoctor and it seemed to go through the process.  But the device is in the same state.  Any thoughts?
Nov 23 15:38:49 <Marajin> rwadkins_: that's worrying yeah, are you positive it doctored correctly?
Nov 23 15:39:43 <rwadkins_> only positive to the extent that it did everything it was supposed to and reported success at the end.
Nov 23 15:41:45 <Marajin> hmm
Nov 23 15:42:05 <Marajin> so it did the usb logo, the palm logo, the memory chip logo and then rebooted back to the palm logo?
Nov 23 15:42:16 <Marajin> rwadkins_: if so, rma it
Nov 23 15:42:59 <rwadkins_> Marajin, yeah, it did all that.
Nov 23 15:43:13 <Marajin> rwadkins_: how long has it been stuck at the palm logo?
Nov 23 15:43:16 <rwadkins_> OK, I'll call sprint.  *sign*
Nov 23 15:43:28 <rwadkins_> for maybe an hour now.
Nov 23 15:43:46 <rwadkins_> the logo also isn't "throbbing".
Nov 23 15:43:47 <Marajin> yeah that's toasted =/ doctor it one more time just in case then RMA I'd say
Nov 23 15:44:02 <rwadkins_> OK, will do, thanks Marajin
Nov 23 15:44:32 <Marajin> never heard of a pre doing that to date without some kind of water/physical damage
Nov 23 15:48:14 <rwadkins_> was trying to get music off of it, then pulled the usb out of the mac.  No physical damage that I know of.  Might have been a power surge, I suppose
Nov 23 15:51:01 <Marajin> rwadkins_: might have been but it's odd that doing that would damage the pre, beyond possibly corrupting the fs which doctoring should fix
Nov 23 15:53:11 <rwadkins_> yeah, that's what I was figuring.
Nov 23 15:53:16 <rwadkins_> I'll try doctoring again.
Nov 23 15:54:34 <Marajin> worth a shot, possibly even download a fresh doctor just in case your doctor is bork too?
Nov 23 15:55:36 <rwadkins_> only just installed doctor today
Nov 23 15:56:00 <Marajin> rwadkins_: yaeh I'm thinking it could have been a bad download, heck of a coincidence but weirder things have happened
Nov 23 15:56:17 <Marajin> rwadkins_: I doctor'd my pre to 1.3.1-EU this morning without issue though
Nov 23 15:57:19 <rwadkins_> Marajin cool.  I'm clicking the download link, but it seems to be using a cached version (not taking as long as it did the first time to start doctor).  Is there something I should deleted to guarantee I'm getting a new one?
Nov 23 15:57:57 <Marajin> rwadkins_: dunno, which doctor version are you using? bell/sprint/o2 ?
Nov 23 15:58:13 <rwadkins_> sprint
Nov 23 15:58:23 <Marajin> hmm
Nov 23 15:58:30 <Marajin> is that a 1.3.1 doctor d'ya know?
Nov 23 15:58:40 <Marajin> I'd guess it should be by now considering that o2 got a 1.3.1 doctor now
Nov 23 15:58:42 <rwadkins_> I believe
Nov 23 16:03:40 <a2ny> good morning
Nov 23 16:06:20 <Marajin> morning a2ny
Nov 23 16:11:38 <rwadkins_> Marajin, thanks for hte help.  second doctor didn't change anything.  calling Sprint
Nov 23 16:13:30 <Marajin> rwadkins_: fair enough
Nov 23 16:18:30 <a2ny> what was the problem rwadkins_
Nov 23 16:19:59 <rwadkins_> a2ny, pre is stuck at the Palm screen (not throbbing).  Doctor process seemed to go through to completion, but no change.
Nov 23 16:25:16 <a2ny> remove battery, install load into bootie didn't help ?
Nov 23 16:25:37 <rwadkins_> I only understood a few of those words.
Nov 23 16:37:06 <a2ny> make sure the pre is off
Nov 23 16:37:19 <a2ny> hold volume up button and plug in usb
Nov 23 16:37:32 <a2ny> you should get a USB symbol on the screen
Nov 23 16:41:08 <rwadkins_> I did that.
Nov 23 16:45:51 <rwadkins_> that was a necessary step for webosdoctor, is it not?
Nov 23 16:51:00 <a2ny> it isn't necessary, but it helps get doctor to find the device
Nov 23 16:51:28 <rwadkins_> Oh, ok, well, I did that.
Nov 23 17:01:26 <AnOutsider> egaudet_work: ping
Nov 23 17:05:54 <sampson> hm i think i might work my own version of tethering for pre
Nov 23 17:06:06 <sampson> this mytether program is a pile of garbage and the fixes the dev suggest are horrible
Nov 23 17:06:45 <AnOutsider> I thought someone here was as well
Nov 23 17:08:51 <a2ny> ~seen egaudet_work
Nov 23 17:08:53 <infobot> egaudet_work is currently on #webos-internals (49m 51s), last said: 'bbl'.
Nov 23 17:09:00 <sampson> how do you extract an ipk on your pc
Nov 23 17:11:27 <a2ny> sampson: what are you looking to do? reverse coding ?
Nov 23 17:11:51 <sampson> i just don't want to install this bunk pos on my phone without fixing the ipk to not suck
Nov 23 17:13:35 <thebitguru> I can't get my phone to turnoff without SSH/reboot :) I must have messed up something. I am thinking of reloading it from the webos doctor. What all is the backup service going to restore?
Nov 23 17:15:12 <sampson> a2ny: the mytether program installs to /usr/palm/applications
Nov 23 17:15:18 <sampson> which causes the endless THERE IS AN UPDATE bug
Nov 23 17:15:41 <ElVox> sampson: you can use 7-zip (ipkg are just deb files)
Nov 23 17:19:36 <egaudet_work> AnOutsider pong
Nov 23 17:20:47 <egaudet_work> sampson, PuffTheMagic is working on freeTether
Nov 23 17:21:06 * PuffTheMagic is using freeTether ;)
Nov 23 17:21:11 <en0x> ;D
Nov 23 17:21:15 <Rick_work> PuffTheMagic
Nov 23 17:21:25 <PuffTheMagic> Rick_work
Nov 23 17:21:31 <Rick_work> PuffTheMagic  I have to drive Topeka Kansas to Chicago tommorow.
Nov 23 17:21:39 <Rick_work> 9 hours in the car....
Nov 23 17:21:51 <Rick_work> what are the chances that you have a version of freetether I could give a power-run.
Nov 23 17:22:04 <PuffTheMagic> Rick_work: if u are trying to use usbnet sure
Nov 23 17:22:18 <Rick_work> Not my favorite thing to do, but I will.
Nov 23 17:22:27 <PuffTheMagic> Rick_work: you rather use wifi?
Nov 23 17:22:28 <PuffTheMagic> or bt?
Nov 23 17:22:42 <Rick_work> BT requires me installing the USBNET drivers, right?
Nov 23 17:22:48 <PuffTheMagic> ummmm
Nov 23 17:22:52 <PuffTheMagic> i dont know
Nov 23 17:22:58 <PuffTheMagic> i havent used bt this way yet
Nov 23 17:23:06 <sampson> PuffTheMagic: please say you don't write mytether
Nov 23 17:23:07 <PuffTheMagic> and wifi requires a little gui work
Nov 23 17:23:10 <sampson> i might stab you with a spork
Nov 23 17:23:11 <Rick_work> let's just say that I'll use usbnet until you get wifi working.
Nov 23 17:23:11 <PuffTheMagic> usbnet just works really
Nov 23 17:23:20 <PuffTheMagic> sampson: no i didnt write mytether
Nov 23 17:23:26 <sampson> good
Nov 23 17:23:33 <PuffTheMagic> sampson: mytether is garbage :D
Nov 23 17:23:41 <PuffTheMagic> well 1.5 was
Nov 23 17:23:43 <Rick_work> sampson  the whole point is, he's writing something that works DIFFERENTLY that mytether.
Nov 23 17:23:45 <sampson> i haven't looked at it but from what i hear he ubfuscated his code?
Nov 23 17:23:46 <PuffTheMagic> i never saw future releases
Nov 23 17:24:01 <Rick_work> sampson, he did.  I de-obfuscated it.
Nov 23 17:24:03 <Rick_work> It wasn't good.
Nov 23 17:24:04 <PuffTheMagic> sampson: well he needs to cause its a payapp
Nov 23 17:24:09 <sampson> lol
Nov 23 17:24:12 <PuffTheMagic> sampson: this wontbe
Nov 23 17:24:25 <Rick_work> It depended on a "feature" of the wifi driver that palm included up till 1.2
Nov 23 17:24:28 <Rick_work> then they broke it
Nov 23 17:24:39 <Rick_work> His "fix"  was to install the old driver.  :-(
Nov 23 17:24:47 <Rick_work> that was _not_ a good decision.
Nov 23 17:24:49 <sampson> yeah i saw that
Nov 23 17:24:57 <sampson> then palm changed how it names things so the old driver wouldn't work at all
Nov 23 17:25:02 <sampson> and he bricked a bunch of people's wifi
Nov 23 17:25:07 <Rick_work> nodnod
Nov 23 17:25:11 <AnOutsider> http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10001/video-need-for-speed-on-pre-raises-interesting-questions/
Nov 23 17:25:19 <AnOutsider> dont know if tis been discussed, but im thinking video or flash
Nov 23 17:25:21 <sampson> that thing is so fake it isn't funny
Nov 23 17:25:22 <Rick_work> AnOutsider  it's fake
Nov 23 17:25:32 <Rick_work> the app catalog shots were photoshopped.
Nov 23 17:25:38 <Rick_work> see Max's analysis
Nov 23 17:25:58 <sampson> there's a lot wrong with the app catalog
Nov 23 17:26:21 <AnOutsider> didnt even look at those, but the video wasnt doctored, doesnt seem like it
Nov 23 17:26:29 <AnOutsider> that's why my first though was that it's a video on the screen
Nov 23 17:26:37 <AnOutsider> link to the analysis tho?
Nov 23 17:26:41 <Rick_work> the video is an iphone video, carefully timed to work on the prre.
Nov 23 17:27:14 <sampson> lol this source is hot
Nov 23 17:27:18 <sampson> I CAN HAS 1 LINER?
Nov 23 17:28:19 <sampson> how the hell would you ever update this it's like when bash and javascript collide
Nov 23 17:30:35 <Rick_work> http://themxweb.com/2009/11/22/evidence-need-foor-speed-video-was-a-hoax/
Nov 23 17:31:00 <PuffTheMagic> Rick_work: what about the wifi driver?
Nov 23 17:31:35 <Rick_work> what about it?
Nov 23 17:31:55 <Rick_work> PuffTheMagic  if you have a wifi, that's my preference, but I'll do usbnet
Nov 23 17:31:58 <PuffTheMagic> <Rick_work> It depended on a "feature" of the wifi driver that palm included up till 1.2
Nov 23 17:31:58 <Rick_work> and be happy.
Nov 23 17:32:15 <sampson> dude this source RULES
Nov 23 17:32:19 <sampson> he put a function inside a variable
Nov 23 17:32:29 <bougyman> taht's common, isn't it?
Nov 23 17:32:34 <PuffTheMagic> Rick_work: what were you referring to there
Nov 23 17:32:40 <Rick_work> the current version of the wifi driver doesn't support ad hoc networking
Nov 23 17:32:49 <ElVox> that is called a "named" function :D
Nov 23 17:32:49 <Rick_work> sampson, that's very commmon.
Nov 23 17:32:54 <Rick_work> nodnod
Nov 23 17:32:56 <PuffTheMagic> Rick_work: i dont think they changed the driver
Nov 23 17:33:00 <sampson> never had a use for one
Nov 23 17:33:06 <Rick_work> unless you're taking about eval.
Nov 23 17:33:15 <PuffTheMagic> Rick_work: it looks like they removed adhoc support from the "wrapper script"
Nov 23 17:33:20 <a2ny> eval() will get you b&
Nov 23 17:33:48 <sampson> this sets all the services to false and then uses a function afterwards to see if they're enabled or disabled
Nov 23 17:33:51 <ElVox> i only eval input on forms and uri's
Nov 23 17:33:51 <Rick_work> sampson, you never did  jump = function(howHigh) {return howHigh;}
Nov 23 17:33:58 <PuffTheMagic> Rick_work: "wifidriver" is just a bashscript
Nov 23 17:34:10 <Rick_work> PuffTheMagic  fine
Nov 23 17:34:11 <PuffTheMagic> adhoc should still be doabling with normal cli commands
Nov 23 17:34:11 <sampson> no c has pointers for a reason
Nov 23 17:34:19 <sampson> but yes this isn't c so FEH
Nov 23 17:34:36 * ElVox chuckles at sampson
Nov 23 17:35:11 <Rick_work> sampson  in Javascript it's common to pass a function AS A PARAMETER.
Nov 23 17:36:22 <sampson> right, i guess it's a high level way of doing a pointer
Nov 23 17:36:30 <egaudet_work> yea it is similar
Nov 23 17:36:35 <egaudet_work> you can THINK of it as a function "pointer"
Nov 23 17:36:38 <bougyman> functions are first class objects in javascript.
Nov 23 17:36:45 <bougyman> so it lends itself well to FP
Nov 23 17:36:53 <bougyman> and FP lends itself well to frying C programmer's brains.
Nov 23 17:37:24 <egaudet_work> no
Nov 23 17:38:29 * ElVox likes to stick all of his functions into a giant global hash that uses their argument list as a key... gfunc["name, id, options"](scene_name, el_id, {});
Nov 23 17:38:31 <egaudet_work> pointers dont fry our brains :P
Nov 23 17:38:52 <sampson> i never got the confusion of a pointer
Nov 23 17:39:07 <egaudet_work> it's just an address
Nov 23 17:39:10 <sampson> it's pretty simple, it ties to a memory address so you can call the value as needed
Nov 23 17:41:36 <ElVox> i always found things like image filtering to be far more fun with pointers than without
Nov 23 17:42:17 <dBsooner-work> From what I understand, the Pixi and Pre have the same userland, no?
Nov 23 17:51:10 <Rick_work> mostly
Nov 23 17:51:24 <dBsooner-work> definte "mostly"
Nov 23 17:53:44 <a2ny> pretty bash colors work in application:terminal :D
Nov 23 17:54:10 <sampson> http://img.waffleimages.com/f818049d33e7d1952c25a9f97fce9baf1f31182a/jerkcity1323.gif
Nov 23 17:54:19 <sampson> laffo
Nov 23 17:59:45 <Rick_work> dBsooner-work  pixi not binary compatible with pre completely.  So things do differ.  But the "organization" of userland is identical.
Nov 23 18:05:12 <dBsooner-work> Rick_work: but the majority of the javascript/html/css is the same? so patches should be compatible with both version.
Nov 23 18:05:28 <Rick_work> should be identical
Nov 23 18:05:31 <dBsooner-work> It's just the compiled binaries that aren't the same (because of different processors)
Nov 23 18:10:17 <chrisa> Is the eu 1.3.1 doctor up yet somewhere?
Nov 23 18:10:44 <en0x> hmm
Nov 23 18:10:56 <en0x> 1.3.1 seems to have more memory leaks than 1.2.1
Nov 23 18:11:07 <en0x> after 2 days of uptime with no cards open i get not enough memory
Nov 23 18:13:37 <a2ny> =\
Nov 23 18:13:53 <a2ny> en0x: fresh install ?
Nov 23 18:14:03 <en0x> update from 1.2.1 to 1.3.1
Nov 23 18:35:40 <a2ny> how do you know what your working directory is in a terminal ?
Nov 23 18:36:05 <egaudet_work> pwd
Nov 23 18:39:07 <a2ny> and can cat be 'colored'
Nov 23 18:39:09 <a2ny> ?
Nov 23 18:40:23 <egaudet_work> a colored cat, not that I know of
Nov 23 19:42:53 <pYr0x> hi guys... is it still possible to get root on the pre with the WebOS 1.3.1 like the link http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux shows it?
Nov 23 19:43:55 <MetaView> the webos-internals is dead here
Nov 23 19:44:05 <MetaView> the server doesn't answer
Nov 23 19:44:33 <pYr0x> ?
Nov 23 19:44:41 <MetaView> hm, regarding patches, do you download the file locally to edit it?
Nov 23 19:45:06 <MetaView> www.webos-internals.org doesn't work here, atm
Nov 23 19:45:51 <pYr0x> for me, but already
Nov 23 19:46:47 <a2ny> MetaView: works for me
Nov 23 19:46:56 <a2ny> pYr0x:
Nov 23 19:47:01 <pYr0x> ?
Nov 23 19:47:06 <MetaView> ok, maybe one walfish sits on thecable :D
Nov 23 19:47:06 <a2ny> just use novaterm
Nov 23 19:47:14 <pYr0x> ;)
Nov 23 19:47:26 <pYr0x> a2ny: you have the webos 1.3.1
Nov 23 19:47:29 <a2ny> yes
Nov 23 19:47:41 <pYr0x> and rooted your pre with the instructions on the site?
Nov 23 19:48:41 <a2ny> just used novaterm, then ran the optware bootstrap
Nov 23 19:49:08 <a2ny> if you have not used nova* before, you will need to install the service
Nov 23 19:49:11 <pYr0x> ok :) i will test it
Nov 23 19:49:51 <pYr0x> i have installed the quickinstall and i think it installed the novaterm anyway
Nov 23 19:50:41 <MetaView> the best way to edit the .js/.html file on the Pre: using sftp and the desktop or better on-board?
Nov 23 19:51:35 <pYr0x> i used for the emu the winscp to download on the desktop
Nov 23 19:51:58 <MetaView> but needs to install sftp server on the emu, or?
Nov 23 19:52:05 <pYr0x> no
Nov 23 19:52:14 <pYr0x> winSCP works fine
Nov 23 19:52:23 <MetaView> ok, will try it
Nov 23 19:52:34 <a2ny> winscp, set up a rescan alias for easy luna-send rescans
Nov 23 19:53:20 <MetaView> rescan?
Nov 23 19:53:32 <MetaView> will it refresh the files?
Nov 23 19:53:39 <pYr0x> oO
Nov 23 19:55:33 <a2ny> rescans luna so the changes you made should be present
Nov 23 19:55:45 <a2ny> some things require you to restart luna though
Nov 23 19:56:20 <MetaView> ok, thx, found something on preware about it
Nov 23 19:56:20 <pYr0x> aha... never known
Nov 23 19:56:32 <MetaView> precentral it is
Nov 23 19:57:11 <MetaView> there is even a reboot, hm
Nov 23 20:03:49 <MetaView> pYr0x: it works, nice
Nov 23 20:03:58 <pYr0x> what?
Nov 23 20:04:31 <pYr0x> can someone post the link to the newest Quick Install ?
Nov 23 20:04:37 <pYr0x> i will not find it
Nov 23 20:04:39 <pYr0x> :(
Nov 23 20:04:59 <thebitguru> PuffTheMagic: are you planning on releasing the source somewhere? (will it be in webos git?)
Nov 23 20:05:49 <MetaView> pYr0x: SCP to the emu
Nov 23 20:05:57 <pYr0x> :)
Nov 23 20:06:00 <MetaView> is waht works here
Nov 23 20:07:29 <Azalyn> the screenshot of the terminal on the wiki has a border on it (the one that says "scary black screen") http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Application_Terminal.jpg
Nov 23 20:07:33 <Azalyn> is the terminal actually supposed to have that?
Nov 23 20:07:36 <Azalyn> because mine doesnt
Nov 23 20:07:54 <Azalyn> i'm wondering if mine is broken or something
Nov 23 20:08:54 <a2ny> Azalyn: does not
Nov 23 20:08:56 <a2ny> that's old
Nov 23 20:09:23 <Azalyn> ah
Nov 23 20:09:27 <Azalyn> ok.
Nov 23 20:09:53 <Azalyn> the pre's UI has rounded corners, which cuts off part of the text of the prompt, so i wasn't sure.
Nov 23 20:11:48 <MetaView> yes, the first line is hardly readable
Nov 23 20:13:13 <sratson> Hi all.. I have a patch that didn't install properly.. 'GPS on device menu' which hung up during the downloading/installing phase in preware.. now it shows as installed even though it isnt and I cant remove it since the script fails, because it never installed..
Nov 23 20:13:42 <sratson> is there a way to force it to be not there so I can try the install again?
Nov 23 20:17:03 <MetaView> hey coo, I've got the GPS toggle in the device menu for german OS
Nov 23 20:18:38 <MetaView> is there any work to make such patches localizated?
Nov 23 20:19:05 <MetaView> wel, isn't much, but without it will not show up in everything else except en_us
Nov 23 20:28:11 <sratson> Hello..
Nov 23 20:28:30 <sratson> Beuler.. Beuler..
Nov 23 20:40:40 <natenrb9> so how are the smartreflex or cpuscaling patches going with people phones? which is better?
Nov 23 20:46:11 <MetaView> pYr0x: how do i run the defined commands in WinSCP?
Nov 23 20:46:29 <pYr0x> i used putty
Nov 23 20:46:55 <MetaView> but I defined them inside WinSCP : rescan .-> luna-send....
Nov 23 20:47:16 <MetaView> now I thought I might just type rescan i nthe command line inside WinSCP
Nov 23 20:47:28 <MetaView> but it gives an error, he isn't recognizing this command
Nov 23 20:47:38 <MetaView> it's not expanded
Nov 23 20:48:38 <lingfish> Mornin
Nov 23 20:49:27 <noriX> Hi, can someone tell me what is luna for ? I tried to search for it, but nothing...
Nov 23 20:50:19 <Rick_work> Luna is the framework that webOS builds upon
Nov 23 20:50:35 <swisstomcat> hello everyone
Nov 23 20:50:39 <Rick_work> Luna is the linux native code that operates the WebOS system that the javascript operates in
Nov 23 20:50:40 <noriX> k, its part of the SDK ?
Nov 23 20:50:50 <Rick_work> noriX  not exactly.
Nov 23 20:51:02 <Rick_work> What development work have you done?  What language do you use?
Nov 23 20:51:28 <noriX> me?
Nov 23 20:51:53 <noriX> c, java ...
Nov 23 20:52:00 <Rick_work> noriX  Luna is the webos kernel.  It's the equivalent of the linux kernel.  It's the underpinnings,  it's not part of the sdk it is the most basic element of the PHONE itself
Nov 23 20:52:15 <en0x> now u killed me
Nov 23 20:52:19 <en0x> [luna is the kernel
Nov 23 20:52:24 <swisstomcat> can't update preware from 0.9.10 to 0.9.12 .. any ideas?
Nov 23 20:52:33 <MetaView> interesting: manually applied the GPS in device menu patch and added my own GSM/UMTS changes and now the device menu doesn't close on a click outside
Nov 23 20:52:43 <MetaView> is it something known?
Nov 23 20:52:47 <noriX> k, but it is possible to write programs for luna ?
Nov 23 20:52:48 <MetaView> what do I miss?
Nov 23 20:54:02 <MetaView> found it
Nov 23 20:54:02 <MetaView>           this.toggleDeviceMenu.bind(this).delay(0.2);
Nov 23 20:54:19 <natenrb9> so anyone on here that has applied the cpuscaling or smartreflex patch to their phone?
Nov 23 20:54:48 <noriX> lets say, i would like to change/extend parts of webos, afaik its not possible with the sdk....
Nov 23 20:55:53 <mikewx> speaking of extending things has anyone put out a patch to change the mail app behavior back to the way it was pre 1.3.1?
Nov 23 20:56:06 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: none without additional information from you ...
Nov 23 20:56:19 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: let me know what you need
Nov 23 20:56:36 <rwhitby> what are you doing, and what do you see.
Nov 23 20:57:16 <rwhitby> e.g. if you're updating it using fileCoaster it's not gonna work ;-)
Nov 23 20:57:27 <rwhitby> (but I doubt you're doing that)
Nov 23 20:57:30 * lingfish is about to install Preware :)
Nov 23 20:57:32 <sratson> can anyone help me with this failed patch install?
Nov 23 20:57:44 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: i go into preware, see that preware has an update, hit update
Nov 23 20:58:15 <MetaView> sratson: no clue, would try to edit the files by hand
Nov 23 20:58:15 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: it says it updated but doesn't close the program (as it used to do). if i restart preware, still at the same version
Nov 23 20:58:20 <MetaView> maybe it is installed?
Nov 23 20:58:21 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: yep, what happens then (and what version of the package manager service do you have installed)
Nov 23 20:58:23 <MetaView> which language?
Nov 23 20:58:37 <niteshad> I'm not sure if this is the proper channel for it, but is anyone else having problems with 1.3.1?
Nov 23 20:58:39 <sratson> not installed..
Nov 23 20:58:47 <pYr0x> does anyone know why the pdf landscape tweak on the quickinstall v2.9 was removed?
Nov 23 20:58:48 <MetaView> how do you know?
Nov 23 20:59:06 <niteshad> My phone is way more sluggish in it's response time, and the touchscreen just stopped working.
Nov 23 20:59:07 <sratson> it never ran the script and isnt on the menu..
Nov 23 20:59:12 <egaudet_work> when it says updatd, hit the app menu and check the ipkg log
Nov 23 20:59:17 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: now it even says 'checking package manager  version' and just sits at the spinner
Nov 23 20:59:21 <egaudet_work> (might see something like wget failure for example)
Nov 23 20:59:38 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: should be the lastest version, updated it today
Nov 23 20:59:56 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: ok, anything in IPKG log after the install?
Nov 23 21:00:30 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: now it just sits at the "checking package manager version" prompt
Nov 23 21:00:34 <MetaView> sratson: it isn't on the menu on my german pre either
Nov 23 21:00:46 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: reboot the pre
Nov 23 21:00:50 <swisstomcat> k
Nov 23 21:00:52 <MetaView> because the translated file wasn't updated
Nov 23 21:01:34 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: had some problems with the service earlier today because i disabled the patch feed .. but got that one solved with the command-line
Nov 23 21:01:53 <sratson> isnt that the point.. to put the gps on the device menu.. if its not there. it isnt installed..
Nov 23 21:02:00 <MetaView> no
Nov 23 21:02:09 <MetaView> the menu is filled by an html file
Nov 23 21:02:12 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: yeah, that problem is solved with ipkgservice 0.9.21
Nov 23 21:02:21 <MetaView> the html file exist in for each language
Nov 23 21:02:33 * swisstomcat is rebooting
Nov 23 21:02:36 <MetaView> if you use somethign different from en_us it iwll not be in the menu
Nov 23 21:02:56 <lingfish> Er, am I going crazy... or does the Pre not sync Facebook calender/events?
Nov 23 21:03:01 <sratson> so how can you tell if it is installed?
Nov 23 21:03:22 <MetaView> if the files are altered
Nov 23 21:03:34 <MetaView> lok into the patch and search the file on your pre
Nov 23 21:03:45 <MetaView>  /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/views/devicemenu/devicemenu-scene.html
Nov 23 21:03:51 <MetaView> look for gps
Nov 23 21:05:00 <swisstomcat> rhwitby: package org.webosinternals.preware md5sum mismatch
Nov 23 21:05:27 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: from the ipkg log
Nov 23 21:06:34 <swisstomcat> metaview: hello by the way .. i'm still working on my app and making progress
Nov 23 21:06:57 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: did you update your feeds recently?
Nov 23 21:07:05 <MetaView> swisstomcat: cool
Nov 23 21:07:14 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: earlier today, yes
Nov 23 21:07:54 <sratson> not there
Nov 23 21:08:33 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: did it actually download new data for the feeds, or just load them?
Nov 23 21:09:00 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: oh, i updated the feeds and now it looks at preware installed correctly
Nov 23 21:09:31 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: yup .. at 0.9.12 now .. weird
Nov 23 21:09:59 <MetaView> I thought the TelephonyService is somehitng global?
Nov 23 21:10:11 <MetaView> but I get: Uncaught TypeError: Object function anonymous() { { this.initialize.apply(this, arguments);} } has no method 'ratSet',
Nov 23 21:10:36 <MetaView> which comes from TelephonyService.ratSet()
Nov 23 21:10:50 <sratson> MetaView: no GPS in that file..
Nov 23 21:11:41 <MetaView> sratson: oh
Nov 23 21:11:56 <sratson> I thnk it got hung up during the download of the files and never executed the patch.. but it still thinks it did..
Nov 23 21:12:07 <MetaView> you might add the patch manually?
Nov 23 21:12:15 <MetaView> then you can deinstall it :)
Nov 23 21:12:29 <MetaView> I have no clue how they know which patch is installed
Nov 23 21:12:41 <MetaView> about the telservice: never mind, I found it
Nov 23 21:12:42 <sratson> cant deinstall it because the script fails..
Nov 23 21:13:24 <MetaView> the script might try to depatch or to copy the org files
Nov 23 21:13:40 <MetaView> I don't know, but you could look into the script and arrange it
Nov 23 21:13:46 <egaudet_work> run EPR
Nov 23 21:13:50 <sratson> which arent there since it never installed..
Nov 23 21:14:03 <egaudet_work> oh
Nov 23 21:14:08 <egaudet_work> sratson you cancel the install?
Nov 23 21:14:37 <sratson> it got hung up during the download/install screen and i have to close the preware app to get out of it..
Nov 23 21:15:14 <rwhitby> any very brave souls who want to be the first people in the world to possibly delete all their data by using an early alpha version of the Backup Utility ?
Nov 23 21:15:25 <MetaView> hm
Nov 23 21:15:45 <MetaView> rwhitby: wouldn't mind
Nov 23 21:15:58 <MetaView> hehe
Nov 23 21:15:59 <rwhitby> MetaView: do you have ipkg-opt already installed?
Nov 23 21:16:09 <MetaView> ipkg-opt?
Nov 23 21:16:09 <sratson> I would think I need to somehow tell preware it isnt installed..
Nov 23 21:16:10 <egaudet_work> sratson, you can try to manually remove the package data (assuming the patch script never got run)
Nov 23 21:16:16 <MetaView> I don't think so
Nov 23 21:16:19 <egaudet_work> command line access?
Nov 23 21:16:26 <sratson> the script never ran..
Nov 23 21:16:27 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: What did you do in Preware for the "partial app limit fix"?
Nov 23 21:16:33 <sratson> i am in the terminal app
Nov 23 21:16:42 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: ipkg wrapper, the fair dinkum stuff
Nov 23 21:16:46 <egaudet_work> ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.<insert_patch_name_here>
Nov 23 21:16:59 <egaudet_work> ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep patches    if you want to see the package ids
Nov 23 21:17:07 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: so if I have a 2GB var, I can leave it disabled?
Nov 23 21:17:29 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: no, cause if you disable it you'll hit the 64MiB installed limit
Nov 23 21:17:41 <dBsooner-work> sratson: you the one I said to come in here to troubleshoot?
Nov 23 21:17:51 <sratson> db: yes
Nov 23 21:17:56 <MetaView> ok, if I patched some files successfully on the emu, how to get a patchfile for trying it on the device?
Nov 23 21:18:03 <sratson> how do you get the | on pre?
Nov 23 21:18:27 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: you sure?
Nov 23 21:18:29 <rwhitby> help menu has bindings
Nov 23 21:18:33 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: I am at 192MB's
Nov 23 21:18:36 <dBsooner-work> and don't have it enabled
Nov 23 21:18:54 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: does /usr/local/bin/ipkg exist?
Nov 23 21:19:33 <egaudet_work> sratson, orange+.
Nov 23 21:19:37 <egaudet_work> brb
Nov 23 21:19:38 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: it does now.. but it didn'[t till i updated to .12 about 5 minutes ago.
Nov 23 21:20:08 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: it was in all ipkgservices since 0.9.17 or so I think
Nov 23 21:20:36 <dBsooner-work> it says it was last touched at 15:09 today
Nov 23 21:20:41 <dBsooner-work> which was 11 minutes ago
Nov 23 21:20:58 <dBsooner-work> at least that is the file date
Nov 23 21:21:02 <rwhitby> yep, and update will update it
Nov 23 21:21:27 <dBsooner-work> i thought it you were overwriting a file with the same checksum, it kept the original date
Nov 23 21:21:36 <rwhitby> nope
Nov 23 21:21:51 <dBsooner-work> so the test is to go into preware and disable and try to install?
Nov 23 21:21:58 <rwhitby> yep
Nov 23 21:22:00 <dBsooner-work> s/install/install from AC/
Nov 23 21:22:00 <infobot> dBsooner-work meant: so the test is to go into preware and disable and try to install from AC?
Nov 23 21:23:15 <PuffTheMagic> thebitguru: yes it will be
Nov 23 21:24:12 <sratson> got: (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.patch.top-bar-gps-in-device-menu.prerm)
Nov 23 21:24:14 <MetaView> ok, how do I make a patch file?
Nov 23 21:24:26 <MetaView> I have 3 altered files
Nov 23 21:24:29 <MetaView> on the emu
Nov 23 21:24:47 <MetaView> would havea fresh emu image too, if necessary
Nov 23 21:25:04 <dBsooner-work> doh!
Nov 23 21:25:17 <dBsooner-work> thank's for fixing something without telling me you fixed it rwhitby..
Nov 23 21:25:33 <dBsooner-work> in other words.. thanks for enabling the fair-dinkum in the background of the ipkg service
Nov 23 21:26:14 <dBsooner-work> On another subject.. TBH I don't notice any difference in load time in Preware.
Nov 23 21:26:23 <dBsooner-work> Oh.. AND I still have the changelog bug
Nov 23 21:27:03 <dBsooner-work> sratson: that's ok..
Nov 23 21:27:12 <dBsooner-work> sratson: the patch should be gone now in Preware
Nov 23 21:27:14 <dBsooner-work> try to install it
Nov 23 21:29:43 <sratson> it let me install it.. rebooting..
Nov 23 21:32:56 <sratson> It worked! Thank you!
Nov 23 21:34:18 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: You good with how I did the descripts/categories of the Dangerous patches?
Nov 23 21:34:46 <Rick_work> it appears to be working dBsooner-work
Nov 23 21:35:07 <dBsooner-work> How so?
Nov 23 21:35:34 <dBsooner-work> Is it causing the issue to be brought ot the attention of the AM's trying to isntall them?
Nov 23 21:36:39 <dBsooner-work> Also, diomark submitted another patch to change a value in browser.conf from false to true.. something about clearing
Nov 23 21:36:59 <dBsooner-work> He said it makes it to where you can have more cards open and not have to reboot as much
Nov 23 21:37:06 <dBsooner-work> would that be considered Experimental?
Nov 23 21:37:16 <dBsooner-work> I don't want to call it Dangerous..
Nov 23 21:38:20 <egaudet_work> I would call that needs testing
Nov 23 21:38:33 <egaudet_work> that sounds like something that can crop up in very weird ways
Nov 23 21:38:36 <sratson> Thanks all. you rock!
Nov 23 21:38:39 <dBsooner-work> thread is here: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/216384-patch-cleanup-event-listeners-fix-webos-1-3-1-memory-leak.html
Nov 23 21:39:07 <egaudet_work> It might mask applications memory leaks, but then it could clean up a listener that wasn't intended to be cleaned up
Nov 23 21:39:25 <dBsooner-work> Yeah
Nov 23 21:39:33 <dBsooner-work> there is a reason palm set it to false..
Nov 23 21:39:55 <dBsooner-work> I told him I don't feel comfortable putting a patch in that still "needs testing"
Nov 23 21:40:12 <egaudet_work> could always make an experimental category
Nov 23 21:40:16 <dBsooner-work> he put right in the description: "this patch still needs testing, but seems to function properly. For 2 days now"
Nov 23 21:40:25 <dBsooner-work> That was my idea above
Nov 23 21:40:34 <dBsooner-work> "Would that be considered Experimental?"
Nov 23 21:43:11 <MetaView> how to apply a patch file? patch isn't installed
Nov 23 21:44:35 <dBsooner-work> MetaView: You need to install org.webosinternals.patch
Nov 23 21:44:50 <MetaView> using preware?
Nov 23 21:44:58 <dBsooner-work> it will install GNU patch to /var/usr/bin/patch
Nov 23 21:45:23 <dBsooner-work> yes
Nov 23 21:45:38 <dBsooner-work> look for GNU Patch
Nov 23 21:45:50 <dBsooner-work> in Linux Apps i believe
Nov 23 21:48:13 <MetaView> is it coming from webos-internals.org?
Nov 23 21:48:34 <MetaView> this server isn't responding from here (Berlin, Germany, Europe)
Nov 23 21:49:20 <MetaView> someone with a GSM-Pre want's to check my GSM/UMTS toggle?
Nov 23 21:52:46 <dBsooner-work> MetaView: There was something about GSM Pre's and using IPKG to install.. I just don't remember what it was.
Nov 23 21:52:55 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby would remember.
Nov 23 21:53:31 <dBsooner-work> Rick_work: You didn't lose my email in your inbox did you? :D
Nov 23 22:03:02 <PuffTheMagic> mmm mmm freeTether :D
Nov 23 22:04:20 <whoDat_> PuffTheMagic: heh that compound word is actually kind of a paradox.
Nov 23 22:05:35 <MetaView> would bspatch work with a sdt patch file?
Nov 23 22:05:48 <MetaView> like they used with preware?
Nov 23 22:06:23 <a2ny> freetether in git ? ;)
Nov 23 22:12:26 <PuffTheMagic> a2ny: notyet
Nov 23 22:16:33 <egaudet_work> MetaView, what do you mean?
Nov 23 22:16:37 <egaudet_work> bspatch is not used by preware
Nov 23 22:17:07 <egaudet_work> bspatch is a binary patch tool
Nov 23 22:17:51 <MetaView> ok, didn't know, where searching for patch, but it was already there
Nov 23 22:17:53 <whoDat_> so the pre can run need for speed. interesting.
Nov 23 22:18:08 <MetaView> just /var/usr/bin isn't part of the path
Nov 23 22:18:09 <egaudet_work> MetaView, what were you searching for and where?  What was already there?
Nov 23 22:18:14 <egaudet_work> right
Nov 23 22:18:32 <egaudet_work> yep /var/usr/bin/patch is used by APT patches in the webos-patches feed
Nov 23 22:18:45 <MetaView>  /var/usr/bin/patch
Nov 23 22:19:03 <MetaView> I have created a patch file and want to test it on my Pre
Nov 23 22:19:42 <MetaView> is it possible to use WinSCP to connect to the device?
Nov 23 22:19:46 <MetaView> over USB?
Nov 23 22:20:02 <MetaView> (sry, for all my silly questions)
Nov 23 22:21:43 <egaudet_work> you can novaterm into pre via USB, or you can use something like putty to ssh into it if you have run the optware boostrap or otherwise setup openssh/dropbear
Nov 23 22:22:11 <egaudet_work> you can also use Quick Install to use command line interface over USB
Nov 23 22:22:46 <MetaView> but no open ssh on the actual device without openssh/dropbear?
Nov 23 22:23:02 <MetaView> I was surprised it worked on the emu
Nov 23 22:23:56 <dBsooner-work> All this info is available on the wiki, is it not?
Nov 23 22:23:57 <MetaView> aynway, I use USB-drive to copy the patch file and terminal to run it
Nov 23 22:24:26 <MetaView> webos-internals.org is not accessable fro mhere right now
Nov 23 22:24:37 <MetaView> at leats it wasn't 10 mins ago
Nov 23 22:50:45 <rwhitby> MetaView: emulator enables dropbear by default.  Not on the real device.
Nov 23 22:51:30 <rwhitby> MetaView: there should be no problems with webos-internals.org - must be at your end
Nov 23 22:52:53 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: I was trying to tell him about that issue we came across not too long ago with GSM pre's
Nov 23 22:54:04 <MetaView> which one?
Nov 23 22:55:46 <rwhitby> MetaView: some 3G connections are having problems with wget for some reason.
Nov 23 22:56:16 <MetaView> ok, but this should infect me, or?
Nov 23 22:56:30 <MetaView> I have my patch locally in the internal folder
Nov 23 22:56:40 <MetaView> but I'm too stupid to use patch
Nov 23 22:57:37 <sslow> hey guys...a couple of questions.  No alert during call patch brings up the volume notification on open and close of a call.   and does the open to call log work in 1.3.1 yet?
Nov 23 22:58:25 <MetaView>  /var/usr/bin/patch -i mypatch.patch should do it?
Nov 23 22:58:42 <sslow> also no alert during call does alert during call
Nov 23 23:00:28 <sslow> huh?
Nov 23 23:00:34 <dBsooner-work> sslow: I have been informed by the patch developer that the "no alert during call" does not work properly.
Nov 23 23:00:56 <dBsooner-work> He is working on a fix.
Nov 23 23:01:01 <sslow> dbsooner: thanks
Nov 23 23:01:03 <dBsooner-work> He "Thought" he had it so he submitted it.
Nov 23 23:01:31 <dBsooner-work> open to call log still doesn't work. I don't know how to fix that one and the original patch developer is not responding to my messages.
Nov 23 23:01:46 <sslow> dbsooner: any idea if open to call log is 1.3.1 compatible yet?
Nov 23 23:02:15 <sslow> or i guess i could just install it a find out myself huh. lol
Nov 23 23:02:20 <dBsooner-work> i mean, I have a "somewhat" fix.. but it has a lag goin gto call log.. there is about a 500msec period where you see the dialpad before you see the call log
Nov 23 23:02:32 <dBsooner-work> I am not that great with javascript to decipher the entire phone app.
Nov 23 23:02:49 <dBsooner-work> I just said, 'Open to call log still doesn't work.'
Nov 23 23:03:24 <sslow> dbsooner: your "somewhat fix" would work for me
Nov 23 23:05:03 <sslow> dbsooner:sorry i was typing and didnt notice you responded
Nov 23 23:05:06 <dBsooner-work> Well, I really don't want to give it out. I only want to release stuff through APT (Auto Patch Technology/webOS-Patches). I don't want to hand a .patch file over for you to manually patch.. And I don';t want o package up a "somewhat" patch.
Nov 23 23:05:44 <sslow> i understand, thanks for the quick response
Nov 23 23:06:21 <dBsooner-work> If I can get someone that knows more about the phone app already, it would be easy to fix I am sure. But I don't know that app well enough.
Nov 23 23:10:05 <MetaView> if patch asks me about the file to patch, it means it doesn't find the file from the patch in the patch-file?
Nov 23 23:10:29 <rwhitby> correct - have you read the patch utility documentation?
Nov 23 23:10:56 <MetaView> I'll do read the linux man page
Nov 23 23:11:15 <rwhitby> -p option is what you want, with an appropriate argumnet.
Nov 23 23:12:00 <MetaView> ah
Nov 23 23:12:02 <MetaView> ok
Nov 23 23:12:35 <MetaView> it's an advantage to read the error msg in full
Nov 23 23:12:43 <MetaView> sry
Nov 23 23:15:46 <themirthfulswami> hi all.. could someone give me a quick hand with preware?
Nov 23 23:18:54 * a2ny lends hand
Nov 23 23:22:14 <PuffTheMagic> freeTether teaser => http://omploader.org/vMnVlaA
Nov 23 23:24:14 * kmax15 likes the look of freeTether
Nov 23 23:27:45 <jauderho> kmax15: is there a screenshot somewhere?
Nov 23 23:28:56 <mobgod> <+PuffTheMagic> freeTether teaser => http://omploader.org/vMnVlaA
Nov 23 23:29:23 <en0x> hmm
Nov 23 23:29:30 <en0x> its only usb for now?
Nov 23 23:29:41 <sslow> puffTheMagic: that great!     ETA?
Nov 23 23:30:20 <PuffTheMagic> en0x: depends on how much i get done tonight
Nov 23 23:30:23 <PuffTheMagic> usb for sure
Nov 23 23:30:32 <en0x> i see
Nov 23 23:30:38 <en0x> keep me informed ;)
Nov 23 23:30:45 <en0x> btw got new wircd build?
Nov 23 23:38:10 <jauderho> argh. someone edited the preware wiki page
Nov 23 23:38:17 <jauderho> rwhitby: ping
Nov 23 23:44:27 <chuqui> not me!
Nov 23 23:44:58 <jauderho> omg it's chuqui
Nov 23 23:45:38 <chuqui> where?
Nov 23 23:45:40 <jauderho> welp. precentral.net seems to have gone down.
Nov 23 23:46:28 <jauderho> okay. everyone, chuqui is NOT actually here.
Nov 23 23:48:55 <a2ny> does anyone have any arm stress test/ burn in app ?
Nov 23 23:49:51 <rwhitby> jauderho: busy at the moment, but ask away anyway.
Nov 23 23:50:56 <jauderho> rwhitby: nevermind, I figured it out. someone had apparently edited out the sequence of cmds to run when installing/updating preware via cmd line. I could not remember the exact command to exec the postinst script
Nov 23 23:52:27 <dBsooner-work> jauderho: that's why I made the bootstrap
Nov 23 23:52:52 <jauderho> dBsooner-work: the bootstrap works for the first time only, no?
Nov 23 23:52:56 <dBsooner-work> cd /tmp ; wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO ; sh dDEMO
Nov 23 23:53:06 <jauderho> or does it work for updating too?
Nov 23 23:53:10 <dBsooner-work> Nope, works to UPGRADE/REINSTALL/INSTALL
Nov 23 23:53:12 <sui> hi
Nov 23 23:53:21 <dBsooner-work> both IPKG Service AND Preware
Nov 23 23:53:22 <jauderho> ah nice
Nov 23 23:53:49 <sui> i try to install homebrew apps for my pre on a opensuse 11.2, but i have have problems installing novacom. it is only available as .deb. i tried to install alien, but tht does not work becauso of broken dependencies.
Nov 23 23:54:13 <sui> where can i find a rpm for opensuse 11.2?
Nov 23 23:58:11 <jamesog> sui: What dependencies are missing?
Nov 23 23:59:21 <sui> Problem: alien-8.78-1.2.noarch requires perl = 5.10.0, but this requirement cannot be provided
Nov 23 23:59:35 <sui>   deleted providers: perl-5.10.0-71.12.x86_64
Nov 24 00:02:14 <Vince42> i installed two patches (enable add/delete page, unhide dev mode). after upgrading to webos 1.3.1 i cannot update them, ie removing already fails with "unreversed patch detected" ... how can i "clear" those patches?
Nov 24 00:04:01 <jamesog> sui: Unpack the .deb and change the dependency to whatever's installed in your system
Nov 24 00:04:04 <rwhitby> Vince42: update feeds
Nov 24 00:06:57 <sui> jamesog: which file do I have to edit?
Nov 24 00:07:18 <jamesog> The control file
Nov 24 00:07:43 <jamesog> You might want to read the Debian developer's guide
Nov 24 00:08:09 <sui> theres a "control" file, but it contains only Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.12) as dependencies
Nov 24 00:08:53 <jamesog> Perhaps alien removed perl then. One of the lines you pasted did say "deleted provider"
Nov 24 00:09:00 <Vince42> rwhitby: i updated the feeds but he still offers me the updates
Nov 24 00:12:45 <Vince42> oh, and is there some package which allows to toggle themes, after i installed some?
Nov 24 00:13:13 <dBsooner-work> Vince42:
Nov 24 00:13:20 <dBsooner-work> ~webos-update
Nov 24 00:13:22 <infobot> webos-update is, like, ATTENTION: For help with Patches not working after 1.3.1 update, PLEASE follow these instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions
Nov 24 00:13:28 <dBsooner-work> thats for you Vince42.. ^^
Nov 24 00:13:46 <dBsooner-work> And for themes, Preware will only allow you to install One theme at a time.
Nov 24 00:13:51 <Vince42> dBsooner-work: *kiss*
Nov 24 00:13:57 <Vince42> thx a lot
Nov 24 00:14:12 <zsoc> Does the omap3430 include a c54x compatible DSP?
Nov 24 00:14:16 <dBsooner-work> ~botsnack
Nov 24 00:14:16 <infobot> aw, gee, dBsooner-work
Nov 24 00:14:28 <dBsooner-work> ~dBsooner-rocks
Nov 24 00:14:29 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, dbsooner-rocks is I love dBsooner!
Nov 24 00:14:30 <sui> jamesog: I'll try to fix that problem. thanks for your help
Nov 24 00:14:46 <dBsooner-work> ~botsnack
Nov 24 00:14:46 <infobot> dBsooner-work: aw, gee
Nov 24 00:14:49 <acydlord_alt> woot, just managed to score a pixi for free
Nov 24 00:14:58 <dBsooner-work> acydlord_alt: Heh.
Nov 24 00:15:12 <zsoc> nevermind, i think it's c64x. can anyone confirm the architecture of the dsp in the pre?
Nov 24 00:15:18 <jauderho> acydlord_alt: nice.
Nov 24 00:15:39 <acydlord_alt> was needing a second live handset to test some bugs on :)
Nov 24 00:16:02 <jauderho> zsoc: see http://www.phonewreck.com/2009/06/07/palm-pre-teardown-and-analysis-review-coming-soon/ that might help
Nov 24 00:16:24 <zsoc> well that confirms it, thanks
Nov 24 00:17:06 <zsoc> TI released a compiler for their c54x compat DSPs.. now I need to bug them about the 64x ones :P
Nov 24 00:17:38 * zsoc needs to make a JTAG table
Nov 24 00:17:42 * zsoc wonders if rod already has 100
Nov 24 00:18:05 <dBsooner-work> acydlord_alt: How did you pull that off?
Nov 24 00:18:31 <a2ny> does anyone have a sh file that will stress the arm ?
Nov 24 00:18:49 <acydlord_alt> well, i was planning to open a second line anyway for business, snagged the walmart price of $25 and scored a referral coupon for $27
Nov 24 00:19:20 <dBsooner-work> acydlord_alt: very nice.. I am still working my connections for one. WIthout contract.
Nov 24 00:19:58 <zsoc> a2ny, forkbomb? i make once accidentally yesterday :P
Nov 24 00:20:03 <zsoc> s/make/made/
Nov 24 00:20:04 <infobot> zsoc meant: a2ny, forkbomb? i made once accidentally yesterday :P
Nov 24 00:20:05 <jauderho> acydlord_alt: do you have ssh access to your pixi yet? can you look at something for me pls?
Nov 24 00:20:05 <acydlord_alt> I tried that but they were sheisting me
Nov 24 00:20:23 <acydlord_alt> i dont have the pixi yet, it comes next tues, i do have ssh access to my pre though
Nov 24 00:21:27 <jauderho> acydlord_alt: nevermind then. I need someone with a pixi to check something out for me.
Nov 24 00:21:30 <jauderho> acydlord_alt: no worries
Nov 24 00:21:46 <acydlord_alt> jauderho, well if you dont find someone before next tues let me know lol
Nov 24 00:22:26 <jauderho> acydlord_alt: okay. thanks
Nov 24 00:22:49 <a2ny> lol yeah
Nov 24 00:22:57 <a2ny> well I need something to KILL the battery
Nov 24 00:23:37 <dBsooner-work> a2ny: wget a DVD of linux over EVDO
Nov 24 00:23:47 <acydlord_alt> a2ny, force the radio to constantly refresh
Nov 24 00:23:59 <acydlord_alt> or get a java thread to fork
Nov 24 00:24:43 <a2ny> lol
Nov 24 00:24:49 <a2ny> :(){ :|:& };:
Nov 24 00:25:05 <acydlord_alt> my battery died in about 30 mins when the sprint nav app bugged out on my pre
Nov 24 00:25:33 <zsoc> Hey, TI's EVM for the Pre's GPU is only $1,500. What a bargain.l
Nov 24 00:25:34 <a2ny> I think I will stick to the dvd over evdo
Nov 24 00:25:40 <a2ny> that froze my pre
Nov 24 00:29:13 <zsoc> ~seen ajames
Nov 24 00:29:15 <infobot> ajames <n=andrew@216.160.189.238> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1d 7h 1m 3s ago, saying: 'the 6 month thing'.
Nov 24 00:32:37 <en0x> wow
Nov 24 00:32:41 <en0x> rwhitby, on pre101.com
Nov 24 00:32:42 <en0x> :)
Nov 24 00:33:00 <en0x> http://pre101.com/blog/2009/11/23/interview-with-webos-internals-rod-whitby/ :)
Nov 24 00:36:16 <zsoc> woo, plugs for roy everywhere ;)
Nov 24 00:40:19 <Flashpass-work> so what are people's thoughts on the cpu scaling patches? are they too unstable at this point?
Nov 24 00:43:24 <zsoc> From a stock webos device, is /usr/bin/ supported as a default executable directory? Or do you have to /usr/bin/foo to launch it?
Nov 24 00:43:40 <zsoc> My pre isn't stock, obviously, and I can't remember if I had to adjust this manually or not.
Nov 24 00:43:47 <a2ny> Flashpass-work: most of it isn't even enabled by the kernel
Nov 24 00:45:55 <Flashpass-work> a2ny: how so? what does that mean to the patches?
Nov 24 00:46:34 <a2ny> I've looked into way back in july sometime
Nov 24 00:46:35 <sui> nite
Nov 24 00:46:43 <a2ny> that led me to some info on the battery
Nov 24 00:47:42 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: good show.
Nov 24 00:48:04 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: Yoiu should be in marketting/public relations.
Nov 24 00:48:06 <a2ny> most of the results are placebo IMO
Nov 24 00:48:15 <a2ny> no one has any firm data
Nov 24 00:48:36 <zsoc> dBsooner-work, i thought that's all he does?
Nov 24 00:48:43 <a2ny> which led to the finding of battery_ui
Nov 24 00:48:48 <dBsooner-work> zsoc: Ahh.. good point.
Nov 24 00:49:14 <rwhitby> zsoc: ;-)
Nov 24 00:49:17 <a2ny> so you unplug your phone @ 100%ui which is really 95% and you lose 5% without even knowing
Nov 24 00:49:23 <zsoc> a2ny, in theory, raising the maximum cpu speed and lowering the minimum, while enhancing scaling more effective, would both speed up the device and lower battery drain
Nov 24 00:49:25 <zsoc> in theory
Nov 24 00:49:35 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: You did sound like grandpa in there though.
Nov 24 00:49:54 <dBsooner-work> Not "founder" of webos-Internals.. but Father. :)
Nov 24 00:49:55 <a2ny> theory, take a look at the config file for the kernel
Nov 24 00:50:11 <a2ny> things for the cpu scaling are not set
Nov 24 00:50:17 <a2ny> for it to be used CORRECTLY
Nov 24 00:50:31 <a2ny> you would need to recompile the kernel
Nov 24 00:50:35 <zsoc> dBsooner-work, Matt. 23:9 ;)
Nov 24 00:50:50 <zsoc> a2ny, so what you're saying is, it's impossible to use OnDemand?
Nov 24 00:51:41 <a2ny> based on the info I have read from texas about the omap
Nov 24 00:51:49 <a2ny> the VSS isn't set right
Nov 24 00:52:00 <zsoc> interesting
Nov 24 00:52:05 <zsoc> sounds reasonable to me, having not looked into it much
Nov 24 00:52:33 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, go finish FreeTether plz
Nov 24 00:52:49 <Flashpass-work> a2ny: very interesting, should post some info on the forums
Nov 24 00:53:12 <a2ny> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Show_Actual_Battery_Percentage
Nov 24 00:53:24 <a2ny> that's the data I gathered before I lost my phone, 4mo ago
Nov 24 00:53:41 <a2ny> I finally have one back, I am going to regather all of my info
Nov 24 00:54:18 <a2ny> 1.3.1 changed some battery log 'terms' for the messages, so I am going to put the new ones up
Nov 24 00:54:32 <a2ny> hence why I want something to quickly drain my battery
Nov 24 00:55:25 <zsoc> interesting
Nov 24 00:55:51 <jauderho> you could run distributed.net on the phone. that should run things down quickly.
Nov 24 00:55:56 * zsoc wonders if short circuiting it is not the best idea
Nov 24 00:56:25 <jauderho> http://tumblelog.jauderho.com/post/150262786/distributed-computing-on-your-palm-pre
Nov 24 00:56:51 <jauderho> it does work, to my surprise =)
Nov 24 00:57:59 <zsoc> not too surprising :)
Nov 24 00:58:07 <zsoc> actually, i'm more surprised a precompiled arm variant exists
Nov 24 00:58:39 <jauderho> dnet has clients for just about anything under the sun, i've found
Nov 24 00:58:54 <zsoc> good for their cause i suppose
Nov 24 00:59:06 <a2ny> good info
Nov 24 01:00:18 <Mousey> hi
Nov 24 01:00:20 <Mousey> how do i do a ~ in terminal?
Nov 24 01:00:39 <a2ny> lol
Nov 24 01:00:51 <jauderho> how do i type the a key?
Nov 24 01:00:56 <jauderho> =)
Nov 24 01:01:43 <Mousey> perterbations of a are: aA&ctrl-a
Nov 24 01:01:46 <Mousey> but i can't seem to do ~
Nov 24 01:02:44 <zsoc> I don't think you can
Nov 24 01:02:56 <zsoc> er.. maybe with the bytecode (misnomer?)
Nov 24 01:03:07 <acydlord_alt> i copypasted it before lol
Nov 24 01:03:33 <acydlord_alt> i dont think it's coded, you can try the utf value
Nov 24 01:03:44 <Mousey> copypasta
Nov 24 01:03:46 <Mousey> good idea!
Nov 24 01:04:13 <a2ny> would an alias work ?
Nov 24 01:04:58 <a2ny> alias tilde='~'
Nov 24 01:04:59 <a2ny> lol
Nov 24 01:05:16 <acydlord_alt> utf code is 007e
Nov 24 01:05:32 <thatdude> Quick question... where is ssh-bootstrap.sh? Not sure if that was the proper name.
Nov 24 01:09:55 <thatdude> nevermind.
Nov 24 01:13:17 <Mousey> weird
Nov 24 01:13:26 <Mousey> why would /etc/resolv.conf point to localhost
Nov 24 01:13:28 <Mousey> is that dnsmasq?
Nov 24 01:13:35 <Mousey> and if so, does it have a cache? cuz mine's stale
Nov 24 01:13:36 <rwhitby> yep
Nov 24 01:13:42 <Mousey> how do i clear the dns cache?
Nov 24 01:13:48 <rwhitby> I don't believe it caches
Nov 24 01:13:51 <Mousey> oh
Nov 24 01:13:58 <Mousey> then why would it mess up my site requests?
Nov 24 01:14:18 <Mousey> if i got to a certain site (regardless of what application i use) it fails, but if i hit it by IP it works
Nov 24 01:14:25 <Mousey> that screams of stale or boken dns
Nov 24 01:14:38 <Mousey> it's only TWO sites, they happen to be my personal ones..
Nov 24 01:14:40 <Mousey> that screams dns cache
Nov 24 01:14:56 <Mousey> but if its not caching, whats it/am i doing wrong?
Nov 24 01:15:04 <rwhitby> yep, most likely the provider's DNS server that your Pre is using
Nov 24 01:15:16 <Mousey> weird
Nov 24 01:15:21 <Mousey> so the forwarder
Nov 24 01:15:50 <Mousey> two arbitrary subdomains on my domain, which work fine on every other box, or pre
Nov 24 01:15:59 <Mousey> seems like the problems local to my phone
Nov 24 01:16:20 <Mousey> seems, i say
Nov 24 01:17:36 <rwhitby> does it still happen after a reboot?
Nov 24 01:17:40 <Mousey> yep
Nov 24 01:18:01 <rwhitby> then it's not a DNS cache on the phone issue.
Nov 24 01:18:16 <rwhitby> are both test phones going through the same tower, and not going through wifi?
Nov 24 01:19:19 <Mousey> only one phone has a problem
Nov 24 01:19:26 <Mousey> oh, doesn't work via wifi either
Nov 24 01:20:52 <rwhitby> dunno.  dnsmasq has a log-queries debugging option
Nov 24 01:21:47 <keith> Mousey: hey you missed a good slug dude
Nov 24 01:22:15 <Mousey> so i hear
Nov 24 01:22:19 <Mousey> i will NOT miss the next one
Nov 24 01:22:25 <Mousey> will even bring one more
Nov 24 01:22:27 <keith> i did like an hr talk on voip
Nov 24 01:22:34 <keith> haha
Nov 24 01:22:34 <Mousey> thats what  i heard
Nov 24 01:22:37 <Mousey> and people loved it
Nov 24 01:22:43 <keith> ya really good response
Nov 24 01:22:51 <Mousey> i saw some attendees at a meetup that monday
Nov 24 01:23:00 <keith> nice what meetup?
Nov 24 01:23:00 <Mousey> good work!
Nov 24 01:23:11 <Mousey> oss meetup
Nov 24 01:23:16 <Mousey> i have the link somwhere
Nov 24 01:23:21 <keith> sweet i should goto that
Nov 24 01:23:23 <keith> Mousey: http://www.seattleshowgal.com/an-interview-with-macklemore-ryan-lewis/
Nov 24 01:23:26 <keith> check out that song
Nov 24 01:23:33 <keith> my buddy and his new production partner
Nov 24 01:23:46 <keith> theres a song link on there
Nov 24 01:23:52 <keith> er flash song player
Nov 24 01:23:53 <Mousey> tinyurl, my computer hast no speekers
Nov 24 01:23:56 <Mousey> oh
Nov 24 01:24:01 <Mousey> fLasH
Nov 24 01:24:07 <Mousey> you get the beta for pre yet?
Nov 24 01:24:33 <Mousey> waitaminute
Nov 24 01:24:35 <keith> beta for pre?
Nov 24 01:24:37 <Mousey> this isn't #gslug
Nov 24 01:24:37 <keith> naw.
Nov 24 01:24:46 <keith> haha no its not
Nov 24 01:24:53 <keith> i never see you talk there :P
Nov 24 01:24:59 <Mousey> total channel-vu there
Nov 24 01:25:01 <Mousey> i do! you never listen
Nov 24 01:25:05 <Mousey> =P
Nov 24 01:25:17 <keith> ok maybe.
Nov 24 01:25:22 <Mousey> lol
Nov 24 01:27:06 <zsoc> Oh hey, I fixed the Video Light. That was easy than I thought.
Nov 24 01:27:25 * zsoc waits for ird to post that line of irc log on the PC boards
Nov 24 01:27:33 <zsoc> s/easy/easier/
Nov 24 01:27:34 <infobot> zsoc meant: Oh hey, I fixed the Video Light. That was easier than I thought.
Nov 24 01:29:47 <ird> For people who are all about open source...
Nov 24 01:30:10 <Mousey> ?
Nov 24 01:30:16 <zsoc> There's a difference between open source and full disclosure :)
Nov 24 01:30:28 <zsoc> Besides, I know the channel is logged, it's no big deal
Nov 24 01:30:36 <zsoc> ird, i'm just pulling your chain :>
Nov 24 01:30:48 <ird> I know.
Nov 24 01:31:00 <zsoc> ird, who are you, anyway?
Nov 24 01:31:23 <ird> I lurk.
Nov 24 01:31:31 <ird> Just a user really.
Nov 24 01:31:36 <zsoc> oh god, do you troll too?
Nov 24 01:31:41 <ird> No.
Nov 24 01:31:45 <ird> At least I try now to.
Nov 24 01:31:45 <zsoc> oh ok.
Nov 24 01:31:49 <zsoc> How about mudkips?
Nov 24 01:31:51 <ird> But some people deserve it.
Nov 24 01:31:56 * Mousey perks up
Nov 24 01:31:57 <ird> mudkips?
Nov 24 01:32:00 * zsoc definitely deserves it
Nov 24 01:32:06 <Mousey> i herd
Nov 24 01:32:20 <zsoc> Mousey, u herd about mudkips?
Nov 24 01:32:30 <Mousey> LOVE THEM!
Nov 24 01:32:34 <zsoc> me too
Nov 24 01:32:42 <Mousey> >^_^<
Nov 24 01:32:49 <ird> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mudkips
Nov 24 01:32:49 <ird> that?
Nov 24 01:32:59 <droO> rofl
Nov 24 01:33:06 <zsoc> google ftw
Nov 24 01:33:11 <droO> u guys
Nov 24 01:33:16 <zsoc> OH U GUISZ
Nov 24 01:33:24 <Mousey> no, more like
Nov 24 01:33:24 <Mousey> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Mudkips
Nov 24 01:33:37 <zsoc> Mousey, oh god, no ED links here... or anywhere for that matter :P
Nov 24 01:34:32 <ird> I guess I should have checked there first.
Nov 24 01:35:11 <zsoc> I'm being distracted, stop it.
Nov 24 01:35:27 * zsoc guesses he should commit
Nov 24 01:35:29 <Mousey> my work here is done
Nov 24 01:36:13 * Mousey goes back to tryna figure out his DNS weirdness
Nov 24 01:38:16 <zsoc> One more quick test and I'll push a working version
Nov 24 01:40:44 <ird> of the camera?
Nov 24 01:41:13 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: usb is workingnice :D
Nov 24 01:41:41 <sslow> :D
Nov 24 01:42:04 <sslow> gimme!
Nov 24 01:42:10 <sslow> lol
Nov 24 01:42:48 <kesne> oil: in here plz?
Nov 24 01:42:58 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, did you write the service? Or you mean working nice as in "my hack works nice on my phone"? :P
Nov 24 01:43:23 <Jack87> sampson, are you here
Nov 24 01:43:25 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: part of the service is done
Nov 24 01:43:28 <PuffTheMagic> andso ispart of the gui
Nov 24 01:43:53 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, oil? or are you learned in the ways of mojo too?
Nov 24 01:44:05 <zsoc> any how do you have time to know everything? :P
Nov 24 01:44:20 <Jack87> sampson, to clear things up mytether never installed old wifi driver in place of the new one and bricked phones... that there was done by people hacking the mytether application
Nov 24 01:44:21 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: i've been learning from wIRC
Nov 24 01:44:38 <Kamots> rwhitby: hi there, you awake?
Nov 24 01:44:54 <zsoc> Jack87, but mytether does like to spawn processes over and over and over again. dbus capture ftw
Nov 24 01:45:03 <Jack87> samkim, so in other words jason's hacked installer for mytether was the culprate that bricked wifi on people's pre's although everyone was warned that was not a supported method
Nov 24 01:45:16 <zsoc> Kamots, I hope he's away, it's almost 11am there :P
Nov 24 01:45:20 <zsoc> s/away/awake
Nov 24 01:45:30 <Kamots> bah this nickname is taken
Nov 24 01:45:38 <zsoc> Kamots1? ;)
Nov 24 01:45:51 <Wahots> nah, I hate numbers in a nickname
Nov 24 01:46:19 <zsoc> Wahots, in the meaning, I can try to field your question
Nov 24 01:46:23 <zsoc> s/meaning/meantime
Nov 24 01:46:28 <zsoc> my tenses are all off tonight
Nov 24 01:47:11 <kesne> oil: ping?
Nov 24 01:47:36 <ird> zsoc: so you liek mudkips?
Nov 24 01:47:45 <Wahots> well I used to work with him a while ago, so I was going to say hi. but ya in the meantime.... I have a Pre :D currently dealing with the battery suckness
Nov 24 01:48:34 <Jack87> samkim, also it does not install in /usr/palm/applications it is located in var/usr/palm/applications
Nov 24 01:49:22 <Wahots> is 91mA normal draw when relatively idle with the screen on (very low brightness), wifi on, and PCS radio running idle?
Nov 24 01:49:25 <zsoc> ird, they are cute. i have a stuffed one.
Nov 24 01:49:50 <zsoc> Wahots, try dbus-util --capture to see what's going on.. might be a leftover service exploding itself in the background
Nov 24 01:50:40 <ird> zsoc: sicko.
Nov 24 01:50:42 <ird> :p
Nov 24 01:50:45 <zsoc> Wahots, also, any friend of rod is a friend of this channel :) I'm sure all would agree with me.
Nov 24 01:50:48 <zsoc> ird, why is that sick?
Nov 24 01:51:19 <Wahots> zsoc: nothing odd with that, I think it was the whole yahoo thing
Nov 24 01:51:19 <ird> you stuffed a mudkip.
Nov 24 01:51:24 <ird> :p
Nov 24 01:51:44 <Wahots> zsoc: well I consider him a friend, not sure what he considers me ;)
Nov 24 01:51:46 * ird hides
Nov 24 01:52:15 <rwhitby> Wahots: hi
Nov 24 01:52:47 <Wahots> rwhitby: hi! I sent you two forum messages, remember me? :)
Nov 24 01:53:08 <rwhitby> Wahots: oh, from sveasoft days?
Nov 24 01:53:12 <Wahots> yep
Nov 24 01:53:23 <rwhitby> heh, long time.
Nov 24 01:53:29 <Wahots> I use OpenWRT now hehe
Nov 24 01:54:10 <rwhitby> Wahots: yep, me too.
Nov 24 01:54:11 <zsoc> Woo, pipeline shutdown works well
Nov 24 01:54:19 <zsoc> rwhitby, I have a question about defunct processes
Nov 24 01:54:19 <Wahots> rwhitby: how are ya? it was good to see your name pop up with my new toy :)
Nov 24 01:54:53 <hckyplayer024> has anyone installed the palm pre backup app with service?
Nov 24 01:55:05 * rwhitby notes that the work with Wahots even predates the stuff in the interview that pre101.com did ...
Nov 24 01:55:24 <rwhitby> hckyplayer024: I have
Nov 24 01:55:47 <elryon> greetings all....
Nov 24 01:55:49 <hckyplayer024> to install the service, am I just supposed to put the files in the respective directory on my pr?
Nov 24 01:55:53 <Wahots> ya, I was young back then, wrote pretty crappy code haha
Nov 24 01:56:12 <zsoc> Wahots, oh didn't we all :>
Nov 24 01:56:29 <elryon> question:  any idea how to access the telephony callstate from the messaging app?
Nov 24 01:56:31 <rwhitby> Wahots: that must be 15 years ago almost ...
Nov 24 01:56:47 <Wahots> god not that long!
Nov 24 01:56:53 <rwhitby> Wahots: you were "Wolf" or something then, right?
Nov 24 01:56:58 <Wahots> yes
Nov 24 01:57:04 <sampson> man classic owns
Nov 24 01:57:11 <sampson> i tried to install the free apps it comes with
Nov 24 01:57:13 <sampson> and it crashed
Nov 24 01:57:30 <hckyplayer024> rwhitby: to install the service, am I just supposed to put the files in the respective directory on my pre?
Nov 24 01:57:53 <rwhitby> hckyplayer024: the preware testing feed has proper ipkgs
Nov 24 01:58:05 <rwhitby> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/com.tntservices.ppbkuservice_0.1.1116_all.ipk and http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/com.tntservices.palmprebackup_1.0.1121_all.ipk
Nov 24 01:58:09 <dBsooner> Templarian, oil: ping
Nov 24 01:58:17 <Wahots> rwhitby: I think it was maybe 10-11 years
Nov 24 01:58:37 <rwhitby> hckyplayer024: note that you could loose data at any time with early alphas like that, so be prepared.
Nov 24 01:59:15 <hckyplayer024> rwhitby: okay thanks, any way to enable testing feed on preware? or do I need to install with WOSQI
Nov 24 01:59:33 <rwhitby> hckyplayer024: oil and I are going to work on the add feed stuff next.
Nov 24 01:59:51 <rwhitby> in the meantime, you can create a webos-internals-testing.conf file in /var/etc/ipkg/...
Nov 24 01:59:58 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I still have the changelog bug
Nov 24 02:00:13 <rwhitby> dBsooner: yeah, a fix is in the works.
Nov 24 02:00:28 <hckyplayer024> okay thanks for your help rwhitby
Nov 24 02:00:34 <dBsooner> rwhitby: oh.. I thought that was was the latest release was for.. At least that's what the release notes stated. :D
Nov 24 02:01:02 <rwhitby> dBsooner: that fixed the other changelog bug
Nov 24 02:01:07 <dBsooner> ohhh
Nov 24 02:01:12 * dBsooner didn't know there were two
Nov 24 02:02:12 <elryon> I take it no one knows?
Nov 24 02:02:45 <rwhitby> hckyplayer024: http://webos.pastebin.com/d7159705a
Nov 24 02:03:31 <dBsooner> elryon: you trying to fix that patch? :D
Nov 24 02:03:36 <Wahots> I really need to find some time and dig in to the SDK, this is such a cool platform
Nov 24 02:03:49 <elryon> dBsooner: yes
Nov 24 02:03:53 <dBsooner> elryon: sweet
Nov 24 02:03:59 <Templarian> dBsooner: why the ping?
Nov 24 02:04:26 <dBsooner> Templarian: wanted to see if you could manage a "Dangerous" icon for the webOS-Patches feed.
Nov 24 02:04:41 <elryon> dBsooner: I just need to find a way to access the call state from the messaging app or the messaging app prefs from the phone app....
Nov 24 02:04:57 <dBsooner> Templarian: Maybe like the default two bandaids in an X with an exclamation point over it?
Nov 24 02:05:45 <dBsooner> elryon: WHile your digging into the phone app, you might look at the phone-open-to-call-log
Nov 24 02:05:54 <rwhitby> nuclear sign ;-)
Nov 24 02:06:05 <dBsooner> Oye! Good idea ol chap!
Nov 24 02:06:09 <dBsooner> nuclear sign!
Nov 24 02:06:30 <droO> or biohazard symbol looks cool :o
Nov 24 02:07:12 <elryon> dBsooner: that a patch not working?
Nov 24 02:07:17 <dBsooner> yep
Nov 24 02:07:30 <dBsooner> I found a way to make it "somewhat work"
Nov 24 02:07:42 <dBsooner> It will open to the dialpad for about 500ms then show the calllog
Nov 24 02:07:45 <dBsooner> I can't figure out why the delay
Nov 24 02:07:58 <dBsooner> the one in the feed flat out doesn't work.
Nov 24 02:08:09 <dBsooner> it applies, but does nothing.
Nov 24 02:08:23 <Wahots> I just installed the Powersave Smartreflex 500Mhz patch about an hour ago :D
Nov 24 02:08:32 <elryon> I think there is a built-in delay somewhere while building the call... check the formatcall.js
Nov 24 02:10:02 <elryon> anyone know how to go about making a service call to get the telephony call state?
Nov 24 02:12:03 <dBsooner> ask in #webos
Nov 24 02:12:15 <hckyplayer024> rwhitby: it says to only use on emulator
Nov 24 02:12:16 <Wahots> I'm curious, the delays when opening a long "conversation" in the IM app, is that due to waiting on the select call to the database?
Nov 24 02:12:58 <rwhitby> hckyplayer024: yep, if you're not prepared to loose all your phone and palm profile data on your phone, then you should test on the emulator.  it's *alpha* software.
Nov 24 02:14:59 <hckyplayer024> rwhitby: I'm not too worried about losing my data, its all backed up. Do you have it installed on your pre?
Nov 24 02:15:32 <rwhitby> hckyplayer024: I have only tested it (and backup only) on the emulator
Nov 24 02:16:24 <Wahots> rwhitby: remember the backup/restore I wrote for the WRT? :D
Nov 24 02:16:55 <rwhitby> Wahots: vaguely
Nov 24 02:18:00 <Wahots> I really need to start looking in to WebOS so I can write/fix things
Nov 24 02:18:26 <Templarian> dBsooner: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons
Nov 24 02:18:35 <zsoc> Wahots, please do, we could use the hands
Nov 24 02:19:14 <hckyplayer024> rwhitby: it seems to be working, how long does it take to finish on the emulator?
Nov 24 02:19:30 <Wahots> zsoc: I really want to, I wanted a Pre since long before it came out, its an amazing platform
Nov 24 02:20:11 <zsoc> Wahots, and this is just with the arm cpu :) Right now the DSP is Palm only and the GPU is unused
Nov 24 02:21:50 <Wahots> zsoc: ya I know, its crazy what this thing is going to do in the future, I just hope that Palm doesn't shift gears but things are looking up with the sales numbers so hopefully a lot more of these things will be floating around
Nov 24 02:23:19 <Abyssul> SmartReflex sucks
Nov 24 02:23:21 <dBsooner> Thanks Templarian!
Nov 24 02:23:53 <Templarian> no problem.
Nov 24 02:23:55 <dBsooner> rwhitby: LOOKY: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Icon_Patch_Dangerous.png
Nov 24 02:23:58 <dBsooner> :D
Nov 24 02:24:01 <jauderho> dBsooner: I want a skull on the Dangerous icon !!! =P
Nov 24 02:24:02 <Wahots> Abyssul: why?
Nov 24 02:24:38 <dBsooner> jauderho: Nuclear was the suggestion of the bossman.
Nov 24 02:24:42 <zsoc> Can someone give me the md5 of /usr/bin/gst-launch ?
Nov 24 02:24:51 <Wahots> You know you have used WebOS too long when: You touch the URL in the chat window on your Netbook....
Nov 24 02:24:56 <jauderho> how about skull on nuclear =)
Nov 24 02:25:01 <Abyssul> There is like no battery increase at all and I think it's affecting my texts.
Nov 24 02:25:04 <jauderho> dBsooner: my patches, my input =)
Nov 24 02:25:06 <Wahots> (that lacks a touch screen)
Nov 24 02:25:08 <dBsooner> lol
Nov 24 02:25:18 <Abyssul> You know you have used WebOS too long when you ask where the gesture buttons are on a Droid.
Nov 24 02:25:19 <jauderho> IN RED
Nov 24 02:25:20 <sugardave> ~seen chuqui
Nov 24 02:25:24 <infobot> chuqui <n=chuqui@64.28.152.131> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 2h 39m 46s ago, saying: 'where?'.
Nov 24 02:25:25 <rwhitby> skull and crossbones is a good idea
Nov 24 02:25:26 <dBsooner> good point.. jauderho, you convince Templarian to recreate the icon he just made then. ;)
Nov 24 02:25:40 <Wahots> haha
Nov 24 02:25:41 <jauderho> Templarian: pretty pls. with extra sugar?
Nov 24 02:25:44 <en0x> zsoc, 005737fdfa59bbb96c5dd01d4d58a76d  /usr/bin/gst-launch
Nov 24 02:25:51 <zsoc> en0x, ty
Nov 24 02:25:54 <en0x> np
Nov 24 02:25:55 <dBsooner> Templarian should wear a sign: Insert money here.. will spit out icon there....
Nov 24 02:25:58 <jauderho> just throw a red skull on top of the nuclear sign =)
Nov 24 02:26:10 <jauderho> insert ...... sounds wrong.
Nov 24 02:26:22 <Abyssul> Nuclear sign needs to be more transparent
Nov 24 02:26:29 <dBsooner> you can substitute "money" with "request"
Nov 24 02:26:29 <Wahots> Abyssul: from my understanding, it won't help if your phone doesn't idle enough to make the power adjustment useful
Nov 24 02:26:43 <Abyssul> My phone is idle like 18 hours out of the day
Nov 24 02:27:08 <Wahots> so you turn off e-mail and IM ? :)
Nov 24 02:27:27 <jauderho> Abyssul: that's why I've been saying YMMV.
Nov 24 02:27:30 <jauderho> it's not a magic bullet
Nov 24 02:29:02 <Wahots> IMHO, the hardware will use the power saving as best it can, but depending whats running it will hardly ever, if ever, scale the voltage back so yes it would seem "useless" but its just how the phone is being used
Nov 24 02:29:39 <Wahots> its like people that don't do any patching for power saving, but somehow get 2 days out of their phones - I only get 9 hours or so if I'm lucky :P
Nov 24 02:30:33 <egaudet> j #webos-internals-ops
Nov 24 02:31:33 <tlp> IM was a major contributor to battery drain for me.
Nov 24 02:31:42 <Wahots> I use the hell out of my Pre, its ever communication and information tool converged on to one small device for me, I love it
Nov 24 02:31:50 <Wahots> yep me too
Nov 24 02:32:08 <Wahots> but its worth it!
Nov 24 02:32:36 <Wahots> s/ever/every/
Nov 24 02:32:38 <tlp> with the 2600 mAh battery you can pretty much do everything you want in a day on the thing
Nov 24 02:32:54 <tlp> but no touchstone and a chunky device
Nov 24 02:33:04 <Abyssul> I can kill my whole Pre battery with 40 minutes of YouTube
Nov 24 02:33:09 <tlp> haha
Nov 24 02:33:33 <Wahots> ya but with all the lithium battery issues over the last year or two (overheating, etc) I'm sticking with the stock battery for a while
Nov 24 02:34:16 <tlp> I use it as an mp3 player on my 20 minute bike commute and for moderate texting throughout the day. With all of the battery saving tips employed, I usually have like 75% on the stock battery after ~8.5hrs
Nov 24 02:34:38 <Wahots> wow....
Nov 24 02:35:07 <Wahots> maybe I just use the hell out of mine
Nov 24 02:35:08 <tlp> but that wasn't the case when I was using it a lot more, had IM enabled, etc
Nov 24 02:35:37 <Wahots> ya, I always have IM enabled, 24/7 - it would be logged in to Yahoo but we all know about that
Nov 24 02:35:46 <tlp> yep, that'll kill your battery
Nov 24 02:35:59 <Abyssul> I never IM on my Pre
Nov 24 02:36:03 <Wahots> I upgraded to 1.3.1 yesterday, this morning my battery was almost dead after 3 hours
Nov 24 02:36:41 <Wahots> before 1.3.1 I had no problems, 5 different IM services logged in 24/7
Nov 24 02:37:09 <Wahots> oh that reminds me! for some reason Jabber doesn't work at all with the new IM patch
Nov 24 02:40:31 <Wahots> and when wIRC is out (yes I see the topic) I'll have that running often too :D
Nov 24 02:41:02 <rwhitby> Wahots: wIRC is in Preware now
Nov 24 02:41:19 <Wahots> ohh, I haven't checked on it lately
Nov 24 02:41:21 <rwhitby> (git has latest version though)
Nov 24 02:41:32 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 24 02:41:47 <Wahots> rwhitby: nice to see ya again, have fun!
Nov 24 02:43:06 <Wahots> well I'll install wIRC and be back in a few minutes....
Nov 24 02:49:25 <Wahots> nice....
Nov 24 02:49:50 <Wahots> I love this phone :D
Nov 24 02:49:58 <Abyssul> I love you too
Nov 24 02:50:08 <Wahots> haha
Nov 24 02:50:57 <Wahots> ab: have you tried wIRC yet?
Nov 24 02:53:53 <Abyssul> Ever since it was submitted to the git
Nov 24 02:53:57 <Wahots> for 0.0.4 this is very nice work
Nov 24 02:57:03 <Templarian> jauderho: dBsooner: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons
Nov 24 02:57:38 <dBsooner> Templarian: you are awesome.. ...! jauderho: you owe Templarian lunch.
Nov 24 02:57:42 <zsoc> funny, i almost asked you where the icons were D:
Nov 24 02:58:12 <Wahots> Abyssul: and I just figured out nick completion :P
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