**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 28 02:59:56 2009
Nov 28 03:09:32 <rwhitby> SFRdr: it should return pretty much immediately (it's a tiny file) - if it's taking more than 10 seconds, and your network connection on the Pre is ok, then you need to report the WOSQI command line problem to JayCanuck
Nov 28 03:10:05 <rwhitby> SFRdr: Install the Terminal application using Preware, and do it there.
Nov 28 03:13:46 <SFRdr> thanks bro!
Nov 28 03:14:11 <SFRdr> i just installed the terminal app and i got it instantly, i dont know why it wasnt working on preware. thanks for the help i appreciate it
Nov 28 03:14:28 <SFRdr> i mean on wosqi*
Nov 28 03:42:30 <sslow> hello
Nov 28 04:36:02 <sslow> anybody here?
Nov 28 04:44:42 <sslow> really? is this channel working?
Nov 28 04:47:16 <a2ny|wirc> Yeah
Nov 28 04:52:33 <PinkFloyd> I just enabled Linux access but for some reason, I cannot SSH in
Nov 28 04:52:43 <PinkFloyd> Anyone available for help?
Nov 28 04:56:00 * PinkFloyd twiddles thumbs
Nov 28 04:58:04 <a2ny|wirc> Sure
Nov 28 04:58:29 <PinkFloyd> 4th time enabling linux for me, something went wrong this time :p
Nov 28 04:58:46 <a2ny|wirc> PinkFloyd: did you use the optware script file?
Nov 28 04:58:50 <PinkFloyd> Yeah
Nov 28 04:59:35 <a2ny|wirc> And when it prompted you to select an interface you selected one?
Nov 28 04:59:43 <a2ny|wirc> Or both
Nov 28 04:59:56 <PinkFloyd> wifi
Nov 28 05:00:10 <PinkFloyd> I pressed "1" and hit Enter for WiFi
Nov 28 05:00:15 <a2ny|wirc> Ok and you are using port 222?
Nov 28 05:00:17 <PinkFloyd> Yep
Nov 28 05:00:21 <PinkFloyd> IP is correct also
Nov 28 05:01:39 <a2ny|wirc> Can you verify dropbear has started?
Nov 28 05:01:55 <PinkFloyd> I checked top, didnt see it
Nov 28 05:02:05 <a2ny|wirc> start optware-dropbear
Nov 28 05:02:31 <PinkFloyd> Ive rebooted the phone twice, it should have started
Nov 28 05:02:31 <PinkFloyd> sec
Nov 28 05:03:27 <PinkFloyd> Job not changed: optware-dropbear
Nov 28 05:04:35 <a2ny|wirc> cat /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear
Nov 28 05:05:08 <PinkFloyd> It spit out a bunch of text
Nov 28 05:05:16 <a2ny|wirc> Can you webos.pastebin.com
Nov 28 05:05:27 <PinkFloyd> Im using novaterm, it wont c/p
Nov 28 05:05:45 <a2ny|wirc> Ahh yes
Nov 28 05:05:58 <PinkFloyd> :p
Nov 28 05:06:10 <a2ny|wirc> ifconfig eth0
Nov 28 05:06:24 <PinkFloyd> Up
Nov 28 05:06:27 <a2ny|wirc> That's the IP you are using correct?
Nov 28 05:06:31 <PinkFloyd> Yep
Nov 28 05:06:37 <PinkFloyd> 192.168.1.102
Nov 28 05:06:57 <PinkFloyd> It's transmitting
Nov 28 05:07:25 <lurkerx> wirc rocks
Nov 28 05:07:31 <a2ny|wirc> Just before you ssh. Use the pre and navigate to a web page
Nov 28 05:07:57 <PinkFloyd> wtf
Nov 28 05:07:59 <PinkFloyd> Went right in
Nov 28 05:08:29 <a2ny|wirc> You are using putty?
Nov 28 05:08:43 <PinkFloyd> Yeah
Nov 28 05:09:11 <PinkFloyd> He's an "eye for an eye" guy
Nov 28 05:09:21 <PinkFloyd> oops wrong window XD
Nov 28 05:09:47 <a2ny|wirc> Check out nodoze in the apps
Nov 28 05:10:00 <PinkFloyd> Im hooked up to USB
Nov 28 05:10:20 <PinkFloyd> It only lets me type on the command line when the wifi is actively working
Nov 28 05:10:49 <a2ny|wirc> Use nodoze
Nov 28 05:11:08 <PinkFloyd> Im hooked up to USB, it shouldnt be cutting out
Nov 28 05:11:11 <a2ny|wirc> It will keep the wifi up
Nov 28 05:11:13 <PinkFloyd> My last Pre didnt do that
Nov 28 05:12:02 <PinkFloyd> Yeah it only allows me to type when the wifi is actively transmitting
Nov 28 05:12:09 <PinkFloyd> Soon as the page is done loading, stops typing
Nov 28 05:12:29 <PinkFloyd> Network abort
Nov 28 05:12:47 <PinkFloyd> Something's wrong, I could SSH into my last Pre while it was on the Touchstone and the screen locked
Nov 28 05:13:40 <a2ny|wirc> Using 1.3.1?
Nov 28 05:13:46 <PinkFloyd> Yep
Nov 28 05:16:56 <a2ny> I just verified my device, wifi goes to 'sleep' when the phone screen is turned off
Nov 28 05:17:27 <PinkFloyd> When hooked up to USB?
Nov 28 05:19:48 <geist> hrm, i thought we changed it the other way
Nov 28 05:19:57 <geist> something changed with 1.3 with regards to wifi and sleep, i think
Nov 28 05:20:15 <PinkFloyd> Didnt on my last Pre
Nov 28 05:20:38 <acydlord> it should stay on wifi when charging even if the lcd sleeps
Nov 28 05:20:43 <acydlord> mine does at least
Nov 28 05:20:46 <PinkFloyd> Yep that's what Im saying
Nov 28 05:20:50 <PinkFloyd> Something is buggered
Nov 28 05:21:47 <PinkFloyd> I may Full Erase and see what happens
Nov 28 05:22:08 <acydlord> havent checked mine on USB to PC, but USB to wall-wart it keeps the wifi p
Nov 28 05:22:57 <PinkFloyd> Yeah Im going to erase and redo
Nov 28 05:27:02 <PinkFloyd> Uh are my apps supposed to still be installed after a Full Erase?
Nov 28 05:28:06 <a2ny> PinkFloyd: your apps from the Palm App Store, yes
Nov 28 05:28:06 <a2ny> those will reinstall with your profile
Nov 28 05:28:18 <PinkFloyd> It's acting like it just rebooted, nothing else
Nov 28 05:28:24 <PinkFloyd> I think Sprint sent me a defective replacement
Nov 28 05:28:30 <PinkFloyd> It's a rebfurb
Nov 28 05:28:35 <PinkFloyd> refurb*
Nov 28 05:30:12 <PinkFloyd> Time to doctor it!
Nov 28 05:30:31 <a2ny> meta-doctor :D
Nov 28 05:30:50 <PinkFloyd> This is my 4th Pre >_>
Nov 28 05:30:57 <a2ny> =\
Nov 28 05:31:16 <PinkFloyd> First one was DoA the day after I bought it
Nov 28 05:31:27 <PinkFloyd> Second had a ridiculous slider wobble
Nov 28 05:31:42 <PinkFloyd> Third tanked about 3 days ago, wouldnt boot past the Palm logo
Nov 28 05:34:16 <PinkFloyd> Had to use my old Instinct while they sent me a new one *shudders*
Nov 28 05:36:19 <PinkFloyd> Uh oh
Nov 28 05:36:23 <sslow> PinkFloyd: I feel your pain Instinct EWWW.
Nov 28 05:36:27 <PinkFloyd> Phone disconnected while doctoring
Nov 28 05:36:30 <PinkFloyd> O_o
Nov 28 05:36:41 <PinkFloyd> Dunno what to do now
Nov 28 05:36:59 <sslow> Run it again should be fine
Nov 28 05:37:06 <PinkFloyd> Says it's still disconnected
Nov 28 05:37:18 <PinkFloyd> Phone is still in USB mode
Nov 28 05:38:00 <PinkFloyd> I swear if this one breaks too, Im going to rage
Nov 28 05:39:06 <LurkerXXX_> palm must be getting slaughtered on profits based on all the refurbs they have to send out.
Nov 28 05:40:07 <sslow> PinkFloyd: Dont rage get comfortably numb
Nov 28 05:40:14 <PinkFloyd> Hard to do that
Nov 28 05:40:26 <PinkFloyd> I bet Ive called Sprint 5 times in the past 3 days
Nov 28 05:40:34 <PinkFloyd> All over stupid stuff they did
Nov 28 05:40:56 <PinkFloyd> They tried to send me a replacement Instinct instead of a Pre
Nov 28 05:41:14 <PinkFloyd> Because the idiot doing the replacement didnt check to see which phone was physically on the account at the time, even though I told him
Nov 28 05:41:49 <sslow> PinkFloyd: guess the song title thing was too subtle....PinkFloyd comfortably numb?
Nov 28 05:41:59 <PinkFloyd> I know...
Nov 28 05:42:13 <PinkFloyd> I get it ¬_¬
Nov 28 05:42:22 <sslow> sorry! couldnt help myself
Nov 28 05:42:28 <sslow> lol
Nov 28 05:47:06 <PinkFloyd> Ok it's doctoring now
Nov 28 07:09:27 <WillJitsu> if I install a .patch manually using webosquickinstall, will running EPR remove it?
Nov 28 07:20:02 <jauderho> dBsooner: ping?
Nov 28 07:20:06 <jauderho> rwhitby: ping?
Nov 28 07:25:04 <WillJitsu> if I installed a patch via webosquickinstall, is there a way to check on the Pre whether it was successful?
Nov 28 07:25:29 <oil> do you see the effects of said patch?
Nov 28 07:25:44 <oil> im guessing that would be a pretty good indication it was successful
Nov 28 07:26:05 <WillJitsu> oil: well I installed the 600 MHz smartreflex, and the command to show time_in_state isn't showing any activity on the 600 mhz level, so I guess it didn't work
Nov 28 07:26:19 <WillJitsu> oil: however I didn't encounter any errors during the install, so I don't know where I went wrong
Nov 28 07:26:20 * oil wouldn't install said patch
Nov 28 07:26:26 <WillJitsu> yes I know
Nov 28 07:26:41 <WillJitsu> it ran fine for me though and I notice a lot of sluggishness now
Nov 28 07:27:11 <jauderho> I'm going to get rod and dBsooner to pull all those patches.
Nov 28 07:27:44 <oil> didn't they already pull the 600 ones?
Nov 28 07:27:56 <jauderho> yes
Nov 28 07:28:01 <oil> due to the real probability itl mess up your pre
Nov 28 07:28:06 <jauderho> I want to pull the 500mhz ones too
Nov 28 07:29:15 <a2ny> pull all :)
Nov 28 07:29:28 <a2ny> that precentral article made a mess
Nov 28 07:31:09 <jauderho> i never asked for that article to be written =( bummer.
Nov 28 07:31:21 <jauderho> a2ny: did you put your doc together?
Nov 28 07:31:34 <jauderho> would be interesting to see the results of your research
Nov 28 07:31:40 <a2ny> meta-doc, yes
Nov 28 07:31:51 <jauderho> url?
Nov 28 07:32:06 <a2ny> not yet
Nov 28 07:32:12 <a2ny> I am actually editing the wiki
Nov 28 07:32:26 <jauderho> ok
Nov 28 07:33:44 <a2ny> a lot of what I have compiled is just for my reading
Nov 28 07:33:48 <a2ny> I need to add notes, etc
Nov 28 07:37:14 <rwhitby> jauderho: so do the 500MHz ones actually stop devices from booting?
Nov 28 07:37:30 <jauderho> not that I have seen
Nov 28 07:38:10 <WillJitsu> got it working. so much better now :)
Nov 28 07:38:18 <a2ny> if the scripts are ran after the devices is fully booted I don't think they should be a problem
Nov 28 07:38:40 <jauderho> but I'm thinking maybe we need to set the bar higher for people to play with stuff like this. apparently all the warnings liberally plastered everywhere is not sufficient
Nov 28 07:38:56 <jauderho> for people to hurt themselves.. =(
Nov 28 07:43:39 <sjanssen> perhaps regexp the titles of those patches for over/underclock and refuse to install them?
Nov 28 07:44:29 <PinkFloyd> I think that's what canned my last Pre
Nov 28 07:45:04 <PinkFloyd> I installed Smartreflex, uninstalled it, then installed CPU Scaling
Nov 28 07:45:09 <PinkFloyd> After that, it wouldnt boot
Nov 28 07:45:29 <PinkFloyd> If you cant uninstall one to install the other, there should be a warning for that as well
Nov 28 07:45:47 <jauderho> you should have been able to doctor it.
Nov 28 07:45:59 <a2ny> +1
Nov 28 07:46:27 <sjanssen> "cant uninstall one to install the other"?
Nov 28 07:47:06 <PinkFloyd> Nope
Nov 28 07:47:12 <PinkFloyd> Couldnt doctor
Nov 28 07:47:22 <PinkFloyd> sjanssen, I installed Smartreflex
Nov 28 07:47:42 <PinkFloyd> Then I saw a post about the differences between the two and decided on CPU Scaling instead
Nov 28 07:47:50 <PinkFloyd> I uninstalled Smartreflex and installed CPU Scaling
Nov 28 07:47:56 <PinkFloyd> That's when my Pre bricked
Nov 28 07:48:28 <a2ny> PinkFloyd: I have froze my pre several times during my testing, everytime I have been able to recover.
Nov 28 07:48:38 <PinkFloyd> I tried everything
Nov 28 07:48:50 <PinkFloyd> I was in here when it happened
Nov 28 07:49:36 <a2ny> jauderho: are there any arm cpufreq tools ?
Nov 28 07:50:16 <jauderho> a2ny: have not looked. there is clipcarl's cet-cpuspeed
Nov 28 07:53:07 <PinkFloyd> Today is a bad day for Pre problems
Nov 28 07:53:16 <jauderho> ?
Nov 28 07:53:17 <PinkFloyd> Especially ones requiring you to update
Nov 28 07:53:37 <PinkFloyd> Everyone who got a Pre during the Black Friday deals have been updating all day long
Nov 28 07:54:24 <PinkFloyd> When I took this replacement out of the box earlier, I had to retry 5 times to download 1.3.1 because of dropped connection on Palm's end
Nov 28 07:55:41 <sjanssen> speaking of Black Friday, can any of the national chains beat Best Buy's $79.99 for an upgrade right now?
Nov 28 07:56:03 <PinkFloyd> What's Walmart's price?
Nov 28 07:56:16 <PinkFloyd> Didnt they drop it to $30 or was that the Pixie?
Nov 28 07:56:53 <sjanssen> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=11084519 indicates $199
Nov 28 07:57:11 <rwhitby> jauderho: what hurt can the 500MHz patches do?
Nov 28 07:57:12 <PinkFloyd> Their "Let's Talk" thing has it for a lot cheaper, I know
Nov 28 07:58:08 <rwhitby> I'd just use a 1.3.1 doctor instead of waiting for an update ...
Nov 28 07:58:09 <sjanssen> pixi is $25, Pre is $100
Nov 28 07:58:46 <PinkFloyd> The doctor that Quickinstall downloaded is 1.2.1
Nov 28 07:58:52 <PinkFloyd> So I just said screw it and started the update
Nov 28 07:58:56 <PinkFloyd> Dont feel like messing with it anymore
Nov 28 07:59:59 <rwhitby> PinkFloyd: why get quickinstall to get the doctor - just download it directly
Nov 28 08:00:10 <oil> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions has the 131 link
Nov 28 08:00:12 <PinkFloyd> Im lazy
Nov 28 08:00:15 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Nov 28 08:00:20 <PinkFloyd> Thanks for that though
Nov 28 08:00:24 * PinkFloyd bookmarks
Nov 28 08:00:45 <oil> i always look there for the recent url
Nov 28 08:00:47 * rwhitby thinks people put too much reliance on wosqi, and then when it's not updated they have no idea what to do.
Nov 28 08:01:18 <PinkFloyd> I rarely use it
Nov 28 08:01:24 <oil> i never let wqi download hte doctor
Nov 28 08:01:30 <PinkFloyd> Only when Preware or the package manager doesnt work correctly
Nov 28 08:01:35 <jauderho> confession: I have never used wosqi. only ever used preware =)
Nov 28 08:02:19 <rwhitby> PinkFloyd: any outstanding problems with preware or ipkgservice at the moment?
Nov 28 08:02:44 <PinkFloyd> Not at the moment, Im installing the upgrade :p
Nov 28 08:03:16 <a2ny> rwhitby: I had to run ipkg -o /var update to get preware working the other day
Nov 28 08:03:36 <a2ny> I tried rebooting, etc... nothing worked except to run that, ever since it has been fine
Nov 28 08:07:14 <PinkFloyd> I had problems last week with it not wanting to update
Nov 28 08:07:27 <PinkFloyd> Closed it out and tried about 2 hours later, worked fine
Nov 28 08:29:42 <a2ny> umm whoa
Nov 28 08:29:59 <PinkFloyd> ?
Nov 28 08:30:07 <a2ny> the 3430 can run at 625MHz
Nov 28 08:36:46 <jauderho> ?
Nov 28 08:37:20 <jauderho> verified? I can't see how that is possible given that that is not an available state...
Nov 28 08:39:17 <a2ny> +config OMAP3ES2_VDD1_OPP5
Nov 28 08:39:18 <a2ny> +	bool "MPU-625Mhz/DSP-430Mhz(OPP5)"
Nov 28 08:39:18 <a2ny> +	depends on OMAP3_PM
Nov 28 08:39:18 <a2ny> +	help
Nov 28 08:39:18 <a2ny> +	  Select this option if you want to boot at OPP5.
Nov 28 08:40:17 <jauderho> hrm
Nov 28 08:40:47 <a2ny> what is also weird  is its saying default is OPP3 (500MHz)
Nov 28 08:40:53 <a2ny> which really the pre boots at 550
Nov 28 08:41:45 <a2ny> tada!
Nov 28 08:41:48 <a2ny> Voltage scaling using direct register writes to OMAP3 voltage processor
Nov 28 08:42:11 <a2ny> changing frequency = direct register write that can be seen in the pm_module
Nov 28 08:46:10 <a2ny> must be a error
Nov 28 08:46:15 <a2ny> for the 625
Nov 28 08:49:13 <rwhitby> a2ny: you know that OPP5 and OPP6 are considered overdrive voltages, and have specific limits on number of POHs at that operating point?
Nov 28 08:50:05 <a2ny> OPP4 (550MHz) OPP5 (600Mhz)
Nov 28 08:50:54 <rwhitby> e.g. section 3.3 of http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3530.pdf (only public document I could find at short notice)
Nov 28 08:51:50 <rwhitby> of course the hours specified are probably an order of magnitude larger than the average fickleness of a smartphone consumer ...
Nov 28 08:52:00 <jauderho> 3530 goes up to 720Mhz
Nov 28 08:52:10 <a2ny> OPP6 is for the 3530
Nov 28 08:52:50 <rwhitby> a2ny: right, I don't know of any public docs for 3430 to be able to discuss it outside of NDA
Nov 28 08:54:26 <jauderho> anyone else seen this b4? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Jazelle
Nov 28 08:56:26 <PinkFloyd> a2ny
Nov 28 08:56:37 <a2ny> PinkFloyd: yes ?
Nov 28 08:56:43 <PinkFloyd> i doctored my Pre and it's still timing out when logging in over SSH
Nov 28 08:56:54 <PinkFloyd> I have to load webpages to get it to do anything
Nov 28 08:57:29 <chrisa> I take it you're logging in over wireless?
Nov 28 08:57:42 <PinkFloyd> Yeah
Nov 28 08:58:25 <PinkFloyd> Soon as the page finishes loading, the SSH connection freezes again
Nov 28 08:58:36 <PinkFloyd> and it just timed out
Nov 28 08:58:56 <PinkFloyd> Any idea?
Nov 28 08:59:17 <PinkFloyd> Might be my router, sec
Nov 28 08:59:35 <cryptk> PinkFloyd, is the screen turning off when this happens?
Nov 28 08:59:40 <PinkFloyd> Nope
Nov 28 08:59:43 <PinkFloyd> Im on USB anyway
Nov 28 09:00:41 <a2ny> have you tried the wall ?
Nov 28 09:02:07 <PinkFloyd> Cleverly disguised joke? :p
Nov 28 09:03:20 <a2ny> haha
Nov 28 09:03:22 <a2ny> no seriously
Nov 28 09:03:27 <PinkFloyd> On Touchstone now
Nov 28 09:03:33 <a2ny> oh ok
Nov 28 09:03:37 <a2ny> still no ?
Nov 28 09:03:41 <PinkFloyd> Nope
Nov 28 09:03:58 <PinkFloyd> Imma go reboot my router, the interface fuggered on it a few days ago
Nov 28 12:53:19 <neobaka> hi
Nov 28 12:58:20 <Thomaschaaf> hey guys currently have a preware palm pre with the sprint firmware on my german o2 device now I would like to switch to the german firmware how would I go about doing that and knowing that everything is moved?
Nov 28 12:58:29 <Thomaschaaf> I don't want to reconnect everyone..
Nov 28 12:59:48 <Thomaschaaf> all I really want is having my contacs
Nov 28 12:59:51 <Thomaschaaf> safe
Nov 28 13:02:24 <neobaka> i don't know. I'm just here for another problem ;)
Nov 28 13:03:56 <neobaka> maybe the US guys are still sleeping?
Nov 28 13:05:17 <en0x> its 8am!
Nov 28 13:05:17 <en0x> :P
Nov 28 13:05:46 <neobaka> ...in NY, that is
Nov 28 13:05:48 <neobaka> ;)
Nov 28 13:05:55 <en0x> yeah i;m in boston
Nov 28 13:05:56 <en0x> :p
Nov 28 13:09:09 <neobaka> sooo... I fell for the update-timeout and didn't manage to uninstall my patches. luckily I use only one. How do I convince preware (or any other tool) to re-install the email-confirm-delete patch?
Nov 28 13:09:45 <en0x> u cant
Nov 28 13:09:59 <en0x> u have to copy original files over
Nov 28 13:10:02 <en0x> from webosdoctor
Nov 28 13:10:17 <en0x> use webos repair utility
Nov 28 13:10:49 <neobaka> hm, I thought they are unpatched, now that everything is updated with the 1.3.1 package?
Nov 28 13:11:43 <neobaka> webos repair utility stated it is not compatible with GSM 1.3.1 OS (?)
Nov 28 13:15:41 <en0x> ormaybe try to use
Nov 28 13:15:47 <en0x> emergency patch recovery
Nov 28 13:16:58 <neobaka> I didn't try that, because I think it just starts all "uninstall patch" things it can find. and uninstall fails if I try now
Nov 28 13:17:05 <neobaka> what do you think?
Nov 28 13:17:24 <en0x> its because you updated to new webos without removing patches first
Nov 28 13:17:35 <en0x> and some of the patched files got overwritten
Nov 28 13:17:46 <en0x> user epr
Nov 28 13:17:51 <en0x> use epr
Nov 28 13:18:44 <neobaka> mmh.. I'll try. but I think it won't work
Nov 28 13:23:41 <en0x> what patch u used?
Nov 28 13:24:00 <neobaka> email-confirm-delete
Nov 28 13:24:28 <zepnik> Hello
Nov 28 13:24:32 <neobaka> hi
Nov 28 13:24:45 <zepnik> I have a question regardin meta-doctor
Nov 28 13:25:16 <zepnik> I am going to get my german qwertz
Nov 28 13:25:27 <zepnik> device nwxt week
Nov 28 13:25:48 <zepnik> should I dl the german webdoctor?
Nov 28 13:25:58 <zepnik> or a sprint one
Nov 28 13:26:53 <zepnik> I started the procedure with this one: http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p131r0d11172009/wrep131rod/webosdoctorp100ueu-wr.jar
Nov 28 13:27:02 <DarkSpecter> german pre = gsm
Nov 28 13:27:10 <en0x> doesnt germany has webos 1.3.1 already?
Nov 28 13:27:24 <zepnik> yes
Nov 28 13:27:33 <en0x> so why do u need sprint webosdoctor?
Nov 28 13:27:35 <DarkSpecter> sprint webos wont work on a gsm pre
Nov 28 13:27:39 <neobaka> yes, thats where my prob originated ;)
Nov 28 13:27:41 <en0x> DarkSpecter, it will
Nov 28 13:27:46 <zepnik> but I want to use meta-doctor to bypass the activation screen
Nov 28 13:28:05 <neobaka> but I think it's solved, thank you en0x
Nov 28 13:28:20 <en0x> neobaka, did u use emergency patch recovery? :>
Nov 28 13:28:35 <en0x> zepnik, it will modify the german webosdoctor too
Nov 28 13:28:41 <zepnik> ok
Nov 28 13:28:59 <zepnik> but, make CARRIER =???
Nov 28 13:29:12 <en0x> hmm its in metadata source
Nov 28 13:29:15 <en0x> hmm lemme check
Nov 28 13:29:27 <zepnik> here it says
Nov 28 13:29:29 <zepnik> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
Nov 28 13:29:39 <zepnik> sprint, bellmo, wr
Nov 28 13:29:44 <zepnik> what is wr?
Nov 28 13:29:45 <en0x> CARRIER=wr
Nov 28 13:29:49 <en0x> world release
Nov 28 13:29:53 <en0x> or something like that
Nov 28 13:29:58 <zepnik> wr=world release!
Nov 28 13:30:04 <zepnik> great!!!
Nov 28 13:30:13 <zepnik> u guys are the best
Nov 28 13:30:33 <zepnik> do u all think I should ask the seller to pre-activate my palm?
Nov 28 13:30:50 <zepnik> i dont even know how to instruct him to that
Nov 28 13:31:36 <en0x> i heard that first u need to activate it with o2 sim card and later on u can use any other sim card
Nov 28 13:31:46 <en0x> i may be wrong so dont hold to my words 100%
Nov 28 13:32:55 <en0x> rwhitby, i think we should modify the meta-doctor to install preware by default :P
Nov 28 13:34:10 <sampson> that defeats the point of competition
Nov 28 13:34:15 <neobaka> en0x: yes, emergency patch recovery did the job - once the patch wasn't listed any more i could re-install it and it works (just checked)
Nov 28 13:34:33 <DarkSpecter> zepnik: when you bypass the activation you probably will have less problems with the app catalog
Nov 28 13:35:22 <en0x> neobaka, cool :)
Nov 28 13:36:18 <zepnik> oj
Nov 28 13:36:20 <zepnik> ok
Nov 28 13:36:27 <zepnik> just get error 1
Nov 28 13:36:30 <zepnik> got
Nov 28 13:36:38 <neobaka> I'm glad I only had one patch in use. stupid update-time-out thing. got me when I rebooted my PC and the charging was interrupted :(
Nov 28 13:37:45 <en0x> zepnik, that tells u a lot
Nov 28 13:38:48 <zepnik> pls download the correct version of  the webos doctor jar file
Nov 28 13:38:54 <zepnik> i thought i did
Nov 28 13:49:15 <zepnik> somehow it wanted another dir name
Nov 28 13:49:30 <zepnik> now working
Nov 28 13:49:32 <zepnik> !
Nov 28 13:59:16 <en0x> [;
Nov 28 15:29:23 <Rick_work> added viewfinder discussion to the video recorder page.
Nov 28 15:47:44 <Rick_work> zsoc, rwhitby I put an explanation of the video recorder viewfinder thing up on the precorder discussion page
Nov 28 15:48:47 <Rick_work> zsoc, rwhitby it's probably wrong, but it's a start.  Please take a look
Nov 28 16:27:58 <Abyssul_wIRC> morning
Nov 28 16:29:53 <Rick_work> morning
Nov 28 16:32:56 <DarkSpecter> Rick_work: just curious, is the viewfinder problem more a mojo/luna issue or a gstreamer issue ?
Nov 28 16:35:09 <Abyssul_wIRC> zsoc might know
Nov 28 16:39:21 <Mrjaba> Hi guys, I've run into the problem of palm-install: failed_not_enough_install_space and I don't know what to do about
Nov 28 16:39:26 <Mrjaba> pre is non modified
Nov 28 16:39:39 <Mrjaba> and i've installed 3 apps other than the one i'm working on
Nov 28 16:39:48 <Mrjaba> any help would be much appreciated
Nov 28 16:40:11 <Mrjaba> looked at various forum threads and dont' seem to be anywhere near any app limit or partition size limit
Nov 28 16:41:05 <MetaView> do you get an error msg from pal-install.bat ?
Nov 28 16:41:05 <MetaView> palm-install.bat
Nov 28 16:41:13 <Mrjaba> palm-install program yeah
Nov 28 16:41:24 <Mrjaba> i'm just using the sdk on ubuntu to install
Nov 28 16:41:37 <Mrjaba> no homebrew or anything ye
Nov 28 16:41:40 <Mrjaba> yet
Nov 28 16:41:53 <MetaView> I don't have a solution but I have the problem just now, that palm-install.bat doesn't display an error but nothing appears on the device
Nov 28 16:42:09 <Mrjaba> damn :(
Nov 28 16:49:47 <PuffTheMagic> Mrjaba: do u have the latest sdk?
Nov 28 16:51:15 <Mrjaba> how do i find out the sdk version?
Nov 28 16:51:30 <Mrjaba> i downloaded it abou a month ago
Nov 28 16:51:41 <Mrjaba> v 1.3.1 of webos
Nov 28 16:53:55 <Mrjaba> palm-install --version reports v 1.0
Nov 28 17:12:10 <Marajin> allo allo
Nov 28 17:14:41 <Mrjaba> hey
Nov 28 17:16:31 <Marajin> Hi Mrjaba
Nov 28 17:18:48 <Mrjaba> right, installing latest version of SDK, hope this works!
Nov 28 17:20:38 <PuffTheMagic> freeTether teaser => http://omploader.org/vMnZqOQ
Nov 28 17:20:39 <Marajin> Mrjaba: Good luck!
Nov 28 17:20:57 <Mrjaba> what does "rooting" the phone mean? I mean when i log into it via novaterm, thats as root isn't it?
Nov 28 17:21:26 <Marajin> Mrjaba: Kinda yeah, I've never needed to do anything special I just installed preware and use the on-device terminal app
Nov 28 17:21:46 <Mrjaba> what's preware?
Nov 28 17:21:56 <Mrjaba> i've not looked into any homebrew stuff yet
Nov 28 17:21:59 <Mrjaba> not had the phone long
Nov 28 17:22:51 <Smubeht> preware is an application that allows you to basically install homebrew apps, patches(some very nifty ones), themes for your pre, along with some other things
Nov 28 17:22:54 <jbjoerk> PuffTheMagic: sweet! Looks good!
Nov 28 17:23:32 <Smubeht> PuffTheMagic: eta? heh
Nov 28 17:23:34 <Mrjaba> is there any way of the carrier knowing it's tethered?
Nov 28 17:23:38 <Marajin> Mrjaba: it's an OTA freeware installer package, kinda like cydia on iphone if you know of that
Nov 28 17:23:52 <Smubeht> Mrjaba: well if they see an insane amt of data passing through your phone likely they know
Nov 28 17:24:02 <Mrjaba> hehe damn
Nov 28 17:24:04 <Mrjaba> :)
Nov 28 17:24:04 <Marajin> Mrjaba: app catalogue for homebrew
Nov 28 17:24:08 <Mrjaba> ah cool
Nov 28 17:24:08 <Smubeht> as mobile bandwidth use is different than pc bandwidth use
Nov 28 17:24:10 <Mrjaba> thanks
Nov 28 17:25:02 <Smubeht> not sure what the penalty of tethering on a carrier who is against it would be
Nov 28 17:25:12 <Marajin> Smubeht: they'll terminate your contract
Nov 28 17:25:18 <Mrjaba> they charge you for the data over here
Nov 28 17:25:22 <Smubeht> marajin: u think so?
Nov 28 17:25:28 <Mrjaba> whereas current;y mobile data is free
Nov 28 17:25:33 <Marajin> Smubeht: that's what they do
Nov 28 17:25:37 <Smubeht> marajin: sprint would want to lose customers for something that costs them nearly nothing?
Nov 28 17:25:38 <Mrjaba> harsh
Nov 28 17:25:47 <Smubeht> it would be a good way to get out o f a contract
Nov 28 17:25:48 <Marajin> they have no way of knowing till you overuse it, but it is disallowed
Nov 28 17:25:57 <Smubeht> sprint doesnt really disallow it
Nov 28 17:26:00 <Smubeht> they disallow the pre
Nov 28 17:26:01 <Smubeht> to do it
Nov 28 17:26:02 <Smubeht> lol
Nov 28 17:26:29 <Smubeht> so what im saying is the worst would basically be u get ur contract terminated..and since its termination from their end there would be no early term fees
Nov 28 17:26:40 <Marajin> Smubeht: I'm not sure you get out of the minimum term, you just get the service terminated
Nov 28 17:26:58 <Smubeht> marajin..if they terminate service they cant charge u
Nov 28 17:26:58 <Marajin> gotta read your small print carefully
Nov 28 17:27:01 <zonyl> I got a warning letter from Sprint when I was listening to shoutcast all the time at work from my Mogul.  Wasnt even tethering.  The letter told me there was a data limit that I had reached and if I did it again would lose my account.
Nov 28 17:27:18 <Smubeht> i am tempted to test it
Nov 28 17:27:22 <Smubeht> other than im on a family plan
Nov 28 17:27:23 <Smubeht> lol
Nov 28 17:27:26 <Mrjaba> hehe do it :)
Nov 28 17:27:26 <Marajin> zonyl: yeah they pull these 'fair usage clause' schitt
Nov 28 17:27:36 <Marajin> frankly o2 uk tend not to care much
Nov 28 17:27:43 <Smubeht> test maxing out bandwidth and see if they term my contract without the term fees etc
Nov 28 17:27:49 <Smubeht> if s o then that is the best way to get out of contract real fast
Nov 28 17:27:51 <Smubeht> without paying
Nov 28 17:27:55 <Smubeht> and i doubt they would want that
Nov 28 17:27:55 <Mrjaba> you'd hope not, i mean you are paying for the bandwidth
Nov 28 17:27:57 <Marajin> but I have a seperate PC HSDPA modem anyway
Nov 28 17:28:00 <Marajin> so I don't bother
Nov 28 17:28:11 <Mrjaba> so those fair use clauses are a bit crap
Nov 28 17:28:15 <zonyl> smubeht: I would have welcomed the termination, however, I have an employee discount ;)
Nov 28 17:28:25 <Mrjaba> bonus :D
Nov 28 17:28:50 <Smubeht> heh yeah same here
Nov 28 17:28:51 <Smubeht> lol
Nov 28 17:29:19 <Smubeht> im off..cya
Nov 28 17:29:24 <Mrjaba> cya
Nov 28 17:29:33 <zonyl> Smubeht: Besides, I call Retentions everytime a fee changes and get out of my 2-year contract anyway,
Nov 28 17:29:36 <zonyl> cya
Nov 28 17:30:48 <zonyl> Anyone still working on a DirectFB plugin ?
Nov 28 17:31:14 <Mrjaba> boom! yay so new SDK fixes no install space issue
Nov 28 17:31:18 <Mrjaba> how weird
Nov 28 17:31:26 <Mrjaba> i mean what a werid way of manifesting itself
Nov 28 17:35:14 <Mrjaba> does the pre 2d canvas support rotate?
Nov 28 17:36:14 <Mrjaba> ah, yes it does
Nov 28 18:04:23 <thebitguru> how can I add the testing repository in preware?
Nov 28 18:07:26 <ryan_> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware_Repository_Description -- That reminds me of WinAmp and WinAMP etc etc..
Nov 28 18:10:49 <ryan_> thebitguru: it was in the pastebin but I can't find it now.
Nov 28 18:13:00 <entity-> the space issue is fixed?
Nov 28 18:13:15 <ryan_> entity: eh?
Nov 28 19:35:19 <ryan_> Ripple in still water...
Nov 28 19:38:10 <Thomaschaaf> I'm trying to backup my device what programms would I use? I found Palm Pre Backup seems to be floating around but can't find it in my preware
Nov 28 20:01:49 <PuffTheMagic> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBNET_Udev_Rule
Nov 28 20:01:52 <PuffTheMagic> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  :D
Nov 28 20:19:57 <ryan_> PuffTheMagic: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Nintendo
Nov 28 20:20:08 <ryan_> Can you still get those ipks from the repos?
Nov 28 20:20:11 <ryan_> I don't see them..
Nov 28 20:20:29 <PuffTheMagic> no they are avail any more
Nov 28 20:20:47 <ryan_> why not?
Nov 28 20:20:50 <a2ny> PuffTheMagic: why assign udev when pre can give dhcp ?
Nov 28 20:21:47 <PuffTheMagic> a2ny: cause u have to manually setup dhcp support in dnsmasq and that is not persistent, it gets erased on reboot
Nov 28 20:22:03 <PuffTheMagic> a2ny: plus i set a hostname in /etc/hosts so whyw ould i want a dynamic address?
Nov 28 20:22:22 <PuffTheMagic> a2ny: u could use that rule to run dhcpcd if wanted too
Nov 28 20:22:27 <PuffTheMagic> u dont "HAVE" to use static
Nov 28 20:22:33 <PuffTheMagic> but dhcp is pretty useless here
Nov 28 20:42:31 <a2ny> gotcha\
Nov 28 21:45:13 <PuffTheMagic> a2ny: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBNET_Udev_Rule
Nov 28 21:45:17 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ improved!
Nov 28 21:45:28 <PuffTheMagic> no matching mac addy since that changes
Nov 28 21:45:31 <PuffTheMagic> match Product id
Nov 28 21:45:32 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Nov 28 22:15:12 <rwhitby> morning
Nov 28 22:25:12 <gotanewpre> hello,  i just got a new pre and it has webos 1.1.0 i would like to update it only to 1.2.1  is this possible?
Nov 28 22:26:36 <rwhitby> gotanewpre: why only 1.2.1?
Nov 28 22:26:42 <gotanewpre> or is it possible to update to 1.3.1 and then go back to 1.2.1?
Nov 28 22:26:47 <rwhitby> gotanewpre: you'll need to use the 1.2.1 doctor
Nov 28 22:26:49 <Marajin> um
Nov 28 22:26:52 <Marajin> if you have the right doctor yes
Nov 28 22:27:09 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Nov 28 22:27:11 <gotanewpre> rwhitby: because i dont like the complications involved in tethering with the 1.3.1
Nov 28 22:27:20 <Marajin> I went from 1.1.2 -> 1.1.3 -> 1.2.1US -> 1.3.1US -> 1.1.3 -> 1.3.1
Nov 28 22:27:36 <rwhitby> gotanewpre: don't worry, there's a better tether tool in development
Nov 28 22:28:11 <rwhitby> http://omploader.org/vMnZqag
Nov 28 22:28:14 <gotanewpre> i ran the webos doctor tool on the phone, a version from july i believe.  the phone ran thru the doctor process and rebooted
Nov 28 22:28:23 <gotanewpre> i checked the version and it was still 1.1.0
Nov 28 22:28:43 <Marajin> Honestly I don't really 'get' tethering.. handy in an emergency but if you're likely to use it at all often it just seems to make more sense to actually get a 3G modem for your laptop/netbook with a suitable service
Nov 28 22:28:46 <rwhitby> check the doctor version using the md5sums on the page I pasted
Nov 28 22:28:59 <Marajin> because your carrier will hit the roof if you use more than a coupla hundred megs a month of data otherwise
Nov 28 22:29:44 <gotanewpre> its a phone a girl i know just got.  she doesnt have internet at work and just wants to do some surfing on her laptop when work is slow.
Nov 28 22:30:05 <gotanewpre> i tether my pre, i dl gigs and i have for 2 years, with my last phone
Nov 28 22:30:13 <Marajin> a month?
Nov 28 22:30:39 <gotanewpre> before i got my pre i used my last phone to tether for the last 2 years
Nov 28 22:30:59 <Marajin> no, I meant you download gigs a month via tethering ?
Nov 28 22:31:09 <gotanewpre> yes each month
Nov 28 22:31:25 <Marajin> Well bully to you then I suppose
Nov 28 22:31:26 <gotanewpre> i have for the last 2 .5 years
Nov 28 22:31:34 <Marajin> me, I use wifi o.o;
Nov 28 22:31:51 <gotanewpre> i dont have any close to me
Nov 28 22:32:07 <gotanewpre> the cable was on here when i moved in, so i also dont pay for cable
Nov 28 22:32:13 <gotanewpre> i dont need a land line phone
Nov 28 22:32:18 <Marajin> I'm kinda surprised you have high speed towers and no wifi nearby
Nov 28 22:32:27 <gotanewpre> i dont need internet when im not at the computer
Nov 28 22:32:37 <Marajin> huh... logically you're probably using a dead guy's service then :p
Nov 28 22:32:44 <gotanewpre> lol
Nov 28 22:32:59 <Marajin> well if they were living one assumes they'd notice they're still paying for cable
Nov 28 22:33:17 <gotanewpre> the people who lived here prior have a daughter that is married to a cable guy.
Nov 28 22:33:38 <gotanewpre> i think he just failed to disconnect it
Nov 28 22:34:06 <Marajin> huh, that sounds borderline mythical for today's world because as far as I'm aware their service hierachy doesn't really work like that but hey, it could be a quirk of how they do it in your part
Nov 28 22:34:08 <gotanewpre> and until the beginnning of nov,  the police station is right outside of my front door
Nov 28 22:34:10 <Marajin> +s
Nov 28 22:34:15 <gotanewpre> i shared a parking lot with them
Nov 28 22:34:52 <gotanewpre> the police station moved into a new building with the city hall
Nov 28 22:35:34 <gotanewpre> my sister tethers her phone too
Nov 28 22:35:38 <gotanewpre> a samsung
Nov 28 22:35:46 <gotanewpre> for the last year
Nov 28 22:35:57 <gotanewpre> she downloads a lot of music
Nov 28 22:36:04 <gotanewpre> never heard a peep from sprint
Nov 28 22:36:08 <Marajin> In principle getting free cable is obscenely easy, the problem is not having the cable company go 'hey, wait a minute...'
Nov 28 22:36:48 <gotanewpre> well considering the location being next to a police station they might find it highly unlikely that it would happen
Nov 28 22:37:00 <Marajin> they don't need to
Nov 28 22:37:07 <Marajin> they'd see the connection in the wrong area
Nov 28 22:37:17 <Marajin> at least they would on the UK's cable system
Nov 28 22:37:33 <gotanewpre> there is no box, im not getting digital service just the analog
Nov 28 22:37:43 <Marajin> aaah, that explains it
Nov 28 22:37:57 <Marajin> yeah you could get free analog cable with almost impunity
Nov 28 22:38:40 <Marajin> I'd forgotten about the stuff people used to get up to with analog :p
Nov 28 22:38:55 <gotanewpre> i dont need the movie channels when i can dl the movies lol
Nov 28 22:39:10 <Marajin> yeah but with analog cable it's trivial to get the movie channels too :p
Nov 28 22:39:27 <gotanewpre> there is digital service available
Nov 28 22:39:38 <gotanewpre> but then id get a bill and all that crap
Nov 28 22:39:45 <gotanewpre> i dont watch much tv anyway
Nov 28 22:39:51 <Marajin> me either
Nov 28 22:39:58 <Marajin> tbh I don't own any tv service
Nov 28 22:40:02 <Marajin> beyond free-to-air TV
Nov 28 22:40:25 <gotanewpre> do you have the hdtv available there over the air?
Nov 28 22:40:30 <Marajin> with a combination of free on-demand net streaming services in this country and download sources..
Nov 28 22:40:42 <Marajin> depends if you're using sat or DVB-T
Nov 28 22:40:45 <gotanewpre> i live in a country area
Nov 28 22:41:02 <Marajin> sat, yes, DVB-T, not yet but they intend to add it as soon as they've freed up the old analog airspace
Nov 28 22:41:07 <gotanewpre> all our tv stations here that broadcast that way are all digital now
Nov 28 22:41:14 <Marajin> heh
Nov 28 22:41:25 <rwhitby> FYI for Pixi owners - I just fixed the precorder-bootstrap script to work correctly on the Pixi and am looking for someone to test it ...
Nov 28 22:41:28 <Marajin> ours should have been years ago but they kept delaying it when people went 'nooooooo sirree bob'
Nov 28 22:41:48 <rwhitby> (I'll just squeeze that in between the free cable tv discusssion)
Nov 28 22:41:51 <Marajin> but now so many people have dvb-t tuners..
Nov 28 22:41:57 <Marajin> rwhitby: heh :p
Nov 28 22:41:58 <gotanewpre> the gov was giving vouchers toward the purchase of a convertor box
Nov 28 22:42:02 <rwhitby> guys - #webos-watercooler ;)
Nov 28 22:42:30 <gotanewpre> rwhitby: im sorry, i do have things to do and thank you for motivating me
Nov 28 22:42:34 * Marajin sticks his tongue out at rwhitby. Meanie! :p
Nov 28 22:42:43 <Marajin> but yeah fair enough
Nov 28 22:42:49 <rwhitby> Marajin: just thinking of those reading the logs later
Nov 28 22:43:02 <Marajin> grep baby, grep
Nov 28 22:43:19 <rwhitby> you mean grep -v Marajin ;-)
Nov 28 22:43:26 <Marajin> heh
Nov 28 22:43:40 <Marajin> No reason not to :)
Nov 28 22:44:51 <gotanewpre> rwhitby: so i can go ahead and let the phone update to 1.3.1 and then use the doctor from your link to go back to 1.2.1?
Nov 28 22:45:15 <Marajin> gotanewpre: that's precisely correct :)
Nov 28 22:46:41 <gotanewpre> i bricked a pixi yesterday
Nov 28 22:46:52 <Marajin> How exactly?
Nov 28 22:46:56 <gotanewpre> told sprint it happened during the update
Nov 28 22:47:45 <gotanewpre> http://webos.pastebin.com/d75845b71
Nov 28 22:48:53 <kmax13> http://themxweb.com/2009/11/28/a-big-thanks-to-webos-internals/
Nov 28 22:49:13 <gotanewpre> i had installed mytether on another pixi with no problems, before the patch was made.
Nov 28 22:49:22 <gotanewpre> and used BT
Nov 28 22:49:53 <gotanewpre> and during that install i chose to do both wifi and usb tether and it went with no problem
Nov 28 22:50:27 <gotanewpre> so i think it was because it was trying to patch for h/w that was not present and locked up
Nov 28 22:52:57 <Marajin> hmm, how severe actually are the pixi's speed issues?
Nov 28 22:54:48 <Marajin> kmax13: nice :)
Nov 28 22:55:18 <kmax13> Marajin: it was awesome when it happen. made my day
Nov 28 22:55:39 <Marajin> kmax13: yeah it's always great to meet someone who shares your interest ;)
Nov 28 22:56:39 <Marajin> but seriously, it's good to see preware and homebrew is selling the pre
Nov 28 23:02:28 <rwhitby> kmax13: thx - I tweeted it.
Nov 28 23:02:50 <Marajin> kmax13: btw, the pre exists ;)
Nov 28 23:02:59 <kmax13> Marajin
Nov 28 23:03:04 <kmax13> not in the netherlands
Nov 28 23:05:43 <Marajin> hop across the moat to the UK, we've got loads ;)
Nov 28 23:06:22 <kmax13> lol
Nov 28 23:10:21 <Marajin> kmax13: whoa, from the look of that video, the pixi /really/ suffers for its hardware specs with lag/speed issues?
Nov 28 23:11:19 <kmax13> Marajin: which video?
Nov 28 23:11:54 <Marajin> kmax13: the cards test
Nov 28 23:13:03 <Marajin> makes me very glad I went for the fullbore pre
Nov 28 23:14:06 <kmax13> Marajin: oh. yeah. if you look at the other videos the guy posted, some of them the pixi actually beats the pre tho
Nov 28 23:14:38 <Marajin> I think in general only where it has very simple tasks to perform and he's possibly asked the pixi to do it before the pre
Nov 28 23:15:12 <Marajin> 'lo freakout
Nov 28 23:15:22 <freakout> howdy Marajin
Nov 28 23:26:15 <rwhitby> freakout: I've sent Max's story to Chuq, Ben and Dion ...
Nov 28 23:28:22 <freakout> rwhitby: heh. Encourage them to incorporate some of the patches for the next update maybe.... :)
Nov 28 23:28:53 <rwhitby> freakout: I'm too busy trying to get wIRCd into the next firmware OTA update ...
Nov 28 23:30:19 <freakout> hahaha
Nov 28 23:30:49 <freakout> A worthy cause indeed
Nov 29 00:21:35 <PinkFloyd> a2ny
Nov 29 00:28:00 <zsoc> yo
Nov 29 00:28:13 <cryptk> sup
Nov 29 00:29:15 <zsoc> Preware is a big selling point with customers, seriously, to add to the conversation
Nov 29 00:29:32 <PinkFloyd> I just installed Preware
Nov 29 00:29:34 <PinkFloyd> Again
Nov 29 00:29:37 <PinkFloyd> For the 5th time
Nov 29 00:29:47 <PinkFloyd> Well, more like 7, including doctors
Nov 29 00:35:12 <lingfish> hrm. card.freenode has died.
Nov 29 00:36:58 <zsoc> I have 10:1 ratio of thanks to posts on precentral, do i win something? :P
Nov 29 00:39:03 <en0x> u win
Nov 29 00:39:06 <en0x> a blow up doll
Nov 29 00:40:48 <zsoc> en0x: excerent :P
Nov 29 00:41:07 <zsoc> ARE YOU KIDDING ME
Nov 29 00:41:09 <zsoc> RICK
Nov 29 00:41:13 <zsoc> GAVE A PRESENTATION
Nov 29 00:41:20 <zsoc> ABOUT WEBOS-INTERNALS
Nov 29 00:41:22 <lingfish> en0x: ah but can he control it remotely from the Pre?
Nov 29 00:41:25 <zsoc> AT A SPRINT CONFERENCE
Nov 29 00:41:28 <zsoc> AND THE REPLAY
Nov 29 00:41:31 <zsoc> IS IN SILVERLIGHT
Nov 29 00:41:53 * zsoc facepalms
Nov 29 00:41:53 <zsoc> irony to the max
Nov 29 00:42:39 <zsoc> ugh, i was trying to avoid installing moonlight
Nov 29 00:48:17 <lingfish> Anyone here use IMAP and multiple namespaces?
Nov 29 00:53:31 <lingfish> *sigh* didn't think so
Nov 29 00:55:16 <rwhitby> zsoc: yeah, we have no control over it - we didn't record it
Nov 29 00:56:14 * rwhitby just dumped the wiki, and loaded it into MediaWiki running on Debian Lenny on a QNAP TS409 NAS box.
Nov 29 00:56:16 <zsoc> rwhitby: are you familiar with moonlight? I don't want to start fussing with it.
Nov 29 00:56:29 <zsoc> or rip it for me? :D
Nov 29 00:56:33 <rwhitby> zsoc: no idea.  all I know is that it installed automagically on the Mac.
Nov 29 00:56:43 <zsoc> of course :P you and your mac...
Nov 29 00:57:11 <rwhitby> yep, the right tool for the job in this instance ;-)
Nov 29 01:00:29 <zsoc> rwhitby: well 1.0 doesn't work, and 2.0 works but crashes. thank you moonlight :D
Nov 29 01:01:38 <zsoc> of course 1.0 is 1mb and 2.0 is 9mb... not sure what's going on there, heh
Nov 29 01:12:48 <zsoc> rwhitby: when was this conference? how did i miss this?
Nov 29 01:15:03 <bpadalino> first page says october 26
Nov 29 01:16:28 <zsoc> hmph
Nov 29 01:16:32 <zsoc> i am out of the loop D:
Nov 29 01:16:51 <zsoc> this slideshow-tied-to-video-timing is pretty much awesome, i have to admit
Nov 29 01:17:17 <bpadalino> yeah, that is nice
Nov 29 01:17:38 <bpadalino> i haven't listened to anything .. but i am wondering how the "12 days to get to the underlying linux system" came about
Nov 29 01:19:01 <zsoc> bpadalino: no it couldn't have been, he's talking about the video recorder
Nov 29 01:19:10 <bpadalino> ah
Nov 29 01:19:11 <zsoc> must be very recent
Nov 29 01:19:38 <bpadalino> the precentral article quotes that 12 days thing
Nov 29 01:19:47 <bpadalino> "it took the webOS community 12 days to access the underlying Linux operating system"
Nov 29 01:20:12 <zsoc> oh, well he's not "talking about the video recorder" so much as talking about a possibility of a video recorder
Nov 29 01:20:17 <zsoc> so i guess this is from october
Nov 29 01:24:02 <zsoc> interesting
Nov 29 01:26:00 <zsoc> rwhitby: why are people convinced that the video files produced from Precorder have separate audio files that do not get deleted when you delete those videos? I'm super confused.
Nov 29 01:26:04 <zsoc> Why do people just make things up.
Nov 29 01:26:43 <zsoc> The only thing thats going to show up in the music player are the video files which weren't muxed properly to be picked up by the video player
Nov 29 01:26:52 <zsoc> I mean, not that the fileindexer is actually decent or anything, but it works.
Nov 29 01:27:15 <rwhitby> dunno - in cases like that I just give them some Linux commands to run to debug it, and that weeds out the people who can actually help in alpha testing
Nov 29 01:28:03 <rwhitby> if it's a widespread problem, someone with Linux skills (or who can read and follow instructions) will reply.  If no-one replies, then it was user error.
Nov 29 01:28:05 <zsoc> rwhitby: roy is working on a kill switch which should fix any issues involving serious "user error"
Nov 29 01:28:55 <rwhitby> For Preware, my approach is this:  I am not responsible for making it work for everyone, I'm only responsible for fixing widespread problems.
Nov 29 01:29:28 <rwhitby> There will be people who will never be able to install Preware.  C'est la vie.
Nov 29 01:29:53 <zsoc> I'd rather ignore user-reported problems and fix things that I know cause issues ;)
Nov 29 01:30:07 <zsoc> Then again, my app is so simple on the front end side it's pretty easy just to test myself
Nov 29 01:33:03 <zsoc> Eguy: hello joe
Nov 29 02:08:53 <zsoc> ~seen AnOutsider
Nov 29 02:08:54 <infobot> anoutsider <n=AnOutsid@c-174-57-96-84.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 3d 1h 20m 7s ago, saying: '@Technobabble: http://www.precentral.net/how-back-your-palm-profile-information'.
Nov 29 02:08:59 <zsoc> bah
Nov 29 02:16:50 <devinkray> hey all
Nov 29 02:16:56 <devinkray> Prenosicator you in here?
Nov 29 02:17:16 <zsoc> devinkray: generally
Nov 29 02:18:14 <zsoc> devinkray: if that wasn't clear enough, I am he
Nov 29 02:19:01 <devinkray> did you get someone to debug this problem? http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/216701-introducing-precorder-alpha-testing-form-26.html#post2067703
Nov 29 02:19:15 <devinkray> If not I can help
Nov 29 02:20:23 <zsoc> devinkray: you get no output, ever?
Nov 29 02:20:25 <zsoc> AnOutsider: i need you
Nov 29 02:20:36 <AnOutsider> *dtrips clothing*
Nov 29 02:20:38 <devinkray> nah, they are all zero length mp4 files
Nov 29 02:22:04 <zsoc> AnOutsider: i need you to take your interface and modify it with 1 or 2 extra buttons.
Nov 29 02:22:14 <AnOutsider> sure
Nov 29 02:24:31 <AnOutsider> i have .3
Nov 29 02:24:42 <AnOutsider> is that the version you mean? record, and launch video player?
Nov 29 02:26:10 <zsoc> AnOutsider: oh. awesome. Yeah, and I may need a 3rd button to 'play last video recorded'. Not sure what that's going to be called. The button I mean.
Nov 29 02:26:28 <AnOutsider> right
Nov 29 02:26:42 <AnOutsider> well why don't you end me the src when it's ready to go, and I'll modify and send back?
Nov 29 02:29:47 <zsoc> AnOutsider: yes :) just touching base with you. Perfect. Thanks. I swear we're going to implement your skin :)
Nov 29 02:35:16 <AnOutsider> Meant to hit you up earlier about some issues. Seems recording is hit or miss
Nov 29 02:35:39 <AnOutsider> sometimes only records on the second time I hit record. soemtimes never at all, and other times it records on the first time and everytime after that
Nov 29 02:36:00 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: how about we just get you git access?
Nov 29 02:36:38 <AnOutsider> haven't tried doing commits with it yet, just pulls
Nov 29 02:36:45 <AnOutsider> what client does everyone use? (windows based)
Nov 29 02:37:09 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: http://gitcasts.com/posts/git-on-windows
Nov 29 02:37:34 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: email me the openssh public key and we'll get you set up
Nov 29 02:39:28 <rwhitby> infobot: gitcast is http://gitcasts.com/posts/git-on-windows
Nov 29 02:39:30 <infobot> okay, rwhitby
Nov 29 02:39:35 <rwhitby> ~botsnack
Nov 29 02:39:36 <infobot> aw, gee, rwhitby
Nov 29 02:39:57 <zsoc> AnOutsider: I don't think there is a 100 percent fool proof method of securing output without stdout/err... i believe the answer to that is a C service :) It might happen soon
Nov 29 02:40:34 <zsoc> AnOutsider: the problem 99% of the time is the AAC encoder is pretty inefficient. The second it starts dropping frames the muxer gives up. It would be fixed with DSP access
Nov 29 02:40:48 <zsoc> otherwise, having less apps open/running / no bluetooth/wifi gives a better chance of success
Nov 29 02:42:23 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 29 02:43:39 <xorg> yo all
Nov 29 02:43:54 <xorg> i was able to get NES emu (fceux) to run from Terminal app
Nov 29 02:44:02 <zsoc> xorg: please explain how
Nov 29 02:44:11 <zsoc> xorg: how did you get luna to let go of any of the fb? :P
Nov 29 02:44:14 <xorg> but i couldn't get the key mappings
Nov 29 02:44:46 <xorg> i created a script to do a nohup (kill luna, run fceux, start luna)
Nov 29 02:45:03 <AnOutsider> and I suppose changing the audio output type wouldn't matter?
Nov 29 02:45:12 <AnOutsider> and will watch momentarily rwhitby
Nov 29 02:45:18 <xorg> but you can't setup key mappings through terminal app..
Nov 29 02:45:37 <xorg> is there a way to use a config file with permanent key mappings?
Nov 29 02:45:43 <zsoc> xorg: oh, so luna is killed then?
Nov 29 02:46:02 <xorg> yes, luna is killed (nohup keeps the process going when Terminal app dies)
Nov 29 02:46:14 <xorg> when you quit the game, the process restarts luna
Nov 29 02:46:15 <zsoc> i'm familiar with nohup :)
Nov 29 02:46:31 <zsoc> There should be a way to do it without killing luna. There has to be
Nov 29 02:46:44 <zsoc> The camera app calls an api for the video preview, that sinks via directfb
Nov 29 02:46:47 <xorg> well it works well, but no key mappings
Nov 29 02:46:59 <zsoc> xorg: sorry, i'm not your guy for mappings :)
Nov 29 02:48:23 <xorg> have posted to see if anyone knows about mappings... i suppose it could be hardwired in fceux for Pre
Nov 29 02:48:28 <xorg> er, webos
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