**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 30 02:59:58 2009 Nov 30 03:28:21 zsoc: haha I owe you a mail. Nov 30 03:28:26 zsoc: I didn't find all too much =( Nov 30 03:28:36 xaiki: come to #wirc Nov 30 03:35:19 I'm looking into getting sqldeveloper (oracle) in app form on the pre. is it possible to install jdk on webos? Nov 30 03:36:30 because typing queries with the pre keyboard is good? Nov 30 03:38:11 PuffTheMagic, ping Nov 30 03:38:23 Jack87: yo Nov 30 03:39:09 PuffTheMagic, sorry i was gone. if you start your bluetooth pan look at your EV on the phone it will disapear for amin and come back when tethering app is being used Nov 30 03:39:30 i didnt notice that Nov 30 03:39:41 but i was looking at ifconfig Nov 30 03:39:48 from a shell Nov 30 03:39:56 and ppp0 never when down or changed ip Nov 30 03:40:11 PuffTheMagic, ya it never actually goes down Nov 30 03:40:26 so what is the significance of EV disappearing? Nov 30 03:40:50 PuffTheMagic, its really odd.. but when the EV disapears your phone will not have connectivity and i believe your computer wont either Nov 30 03:41:44 thats not true Nov 30 03:42:02 EV disapearing means nothing Nov 30 03:42:47 PuffTheMagic, Ok good to know... in the past it did cause issues but i think its been slightly changed in 1.3.1 Nov 30 03:43:02 Jack87: idk what you are talking about Nov 30 03:43:04 PuffTheMagic, glad blueman worked for you Nov 30 03:43:13 it probably had more to do with the bullshit myTether does Nov 30 03:43:19 like stopping the connectionmanager Nov 30 03:43:21 oil: yes, it would be a good thing Nov 30 03:43:38 PuffTheMagic, it does not stop connection manager.. well atleast not anymore Nov 30 03:44:28 then how is it keeping ip_forwarding enabled? Nov 30 03:45:41 PuffTheMagic, i am not exactly sure. i can tell you for a fact it does not stop connection manager for the donor version.. the free version still stops connection manager Nov 30 03:46:09 you paid for that thing? Nov 30 03:46:10 netconfigmanager Nov 30 03:46:11 ewww Nov 30 03:46:26 lol Nov 30 03:46:37 PuffTheMagic, haha it was created at my request actually Nov 30 03:46:48 ? Nov 30 03:47:17 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/185206-possible-tether-work-around-7.html#post1707837 Nov 30 03:47:17 u think were the one that first wanted a "tethering" app? Nov 30 03:47:36 PuffTheMagic, haha thats not what i said Nov 30 03:47:38 PuffTheMagic: oh god, don't go off on him :> Nov 30 03:47:44 lol Nov 30 03:47:54 and wtf is netconfigmanager Nov 30 03:48:21 PmNetConfigManager Nov 30 03:48:23 u mean that? Nov 30 03:48:28 yup Nov 30 03:48:41 yeah that is not what used to "get killed" Nov 30 03:48:48 PmConnectionManager was Nov 30 03:48:51 i know Nov 30 03:49:03 pmconnectionmanager doesnt exist in 1.3.1 Nov 30 03:49:30 right Nov 30 03:49:34 it was replaced by pmnetconfigmanager which did exist in 1.2.1 but didnt do anything Nov 30 03:49:45 I couldn't figure out how to use freeTether. :* Nov 30 03:49:55 dBsooner, i tried to help Nov 30 03:50:03 dBsooner: it works on bt and usb Nov 30 03:50:04 ;) Nov 30 03:50:06 Jack87: not over BT.. Just over USB in general Nov 30 03:50:15 both work Nov 30 03:50:16 dBsooner, do you have driver installed Nov 30 03:50:22 I plugged in the USB, selected Just charge and nothing happened. Nov 30 03:50:29 I have novacom driver, yes. Nov 30 03:50:34 you need to enable usbnet Nov 30 03:50:41 did u start freeTether gui? Nov 30 03:50:43 the release that you have does not have option to enable usbnet Nov 30 03:50:46 did u enable nat+ip_forwarding? Nov 30 03:50:47 Puff, Yes. Nov 30 03:50:52 Yes. Nov 30 03:51:02 It had no ip addresses listed Nov 30 03:51:03 u prob didnt have usbnet working Nov 30 03:51:05 PuffTheMagic, he needs to enable usbnet and isntall usbnet drivers Nov 30 03:51:29 dBsooner, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_Setup Nov 30 03:51:32 what OS are you using Nov 30 03:51:48 Jack87: I know how to setup USBNet.. I had no internet connection at all, so I couldn't do anything. Nov 30 03:52:30 And since I reinstalled Win 7 on this new hard drive, I don't have novaterm or the python script downloaded. Nov 30 03:52:39 So I had no way into the pre from the desktop. Nov 30 03:53:11 dBsooner, terminal app? boot strap? Nov 30 03:53:25 I was at a birthday party, I really didn't care taht much. Nov 30 03:53:33 lol im going to let PuffTheMagic take over Nov 30 03:53:48 well its too late now to care Nov 30 03:53:50 :D Nov 30 03:53:56 I could have gotten it to work, I was just wishing it was easier. ;) Nov 30 03:53:59 new beta might be out tomorrow Nov 30 03:54:01 lol thanks for settling that PuffTheMagic Nov 30 03:54:02 bleh Nov 30 03:54:15 dBsooner, its really easy :) Nov 30 03:54:22 dBsooner: if u "had" usbnet working its like easy as pie Nov 30 03:54:49 PuffTheMagic, he doesnt even need usbnet if he wants to do bluetooth which is what he asked about originally that lead to me talking to you about it Nov 30 03:54:53 PuffTheMagic: You should make freeTether make usbnet work Nov 30 03:54:53 ;) Nov 30 03:55:06 dBsooner: soon enough Nov 30 03:55:16 where might this freetether app be available? Nov 30 03:55:27 PuffTheMagic: So you have to enable usbnet, reboot.. then when your done, disable usbnet, reboot? Nov 30 03:55:29 dBsooner, he didnt release that version of freetether you have.. rwhitby accidently put it in the test feed Nov 30 03:55:38 endersama: testing feed, and dont bother Nov 30 03:55:42 dBsooner, you do not need to disable it Nov 30 03:55:47 is 0.0.1/2 Nov 30 03:56:03 endersama: wait till my next version is out Nov 30 03:56:20 dBsooner, you also need to install driver! the instructions on the wiki are good for xp the others suck Nov 30 03:56:25 Jack87: i will probably release a "dumbed down version" with no options for all the AM's Nov 30 03:56:31 dBsooner: ^^ ;) Nov 30 03:56:35 use the instructions found on http://mytether.net/ Nov 30 03:56:41 I have mine tethered without any app, but it only works with usb Nov 30 03:56:53 LOL.. I don't need no dumbed down version Nov 30 03:57:10 i'd love to help/test if you need it Nov 30 03:57:18 endersama, it also works with bluetooth you just dont know it Nov 30 03:57:24 there will be a version in preware soon enough Nov 30 03:57:34 which means what you have wont be any different then PuffTheMagic app as of yet Nov 30 03:57:58 except using my app does not required haking any binaries Nov 30 03:58:49 I didn't hack anything for usb. just plugged in and installed drivers Nov 30 03:59:09 how do u keep ip_forwarding enabled? Nov 30 04:01:47 PuffTheMagic, i believe it has to do with an edit to dnsmasq.palm.conf Nov 30 04:02:15 acording to this http://discussion.treocentral.com/web-os-development/191082-tethered-pre-without-any-apps-ssh-scripts-5.html Nov 30 04:02:19 no that has nothing to do with ip_forwarding Nov 30 04:03:03 maybe he manually runs echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Nov 30 04:04:01 unless i am missing something, the link u just pointed me to talks about editing the binary Nov 30 04:04:01 the author to that app added the iptable rule to the start of dropbear Nov 30 04:04:26 big deal about the iptable rule Nov 30 04:04:38 i set it with a netlink call :D Nov 30 04:05:22 s/app/thread Nov 30 04:05:32 how do i make infobot fix my mistake Nov 30 04:05:50 u needed 1 more / Nov 30 04:05:56 s/app/thread/ Nov 30 04:06:05 it hates me Nov 30 04:06:07 but it has to be the last thing u said Nov 30 04:06:14 oh Nov 30 04:06:16 s/u/you/ Nov 30 04:06:16 PuffTheMagic meant: byout it has to be the last thing u said Nov 30 04:06:58 ya it hates me... i just tried no luck Nov 30 04:07:25 type s/ya/yaaaa/ Nov 30 04:07:30 it will work Nov 30 04:07:51 s/ya/yaa/ Nov 30 04:07:52 Jack87 meant: yaa it hates me... i just tried no luck Nov 30 04:07:56 hey there it goes Nov 30 04:08:46 dBsooner, where did you disapear to Nov 30 04:09:27 s/disapear/disappear/ Nov 30 04:09:29 Jack87 meant: dBsooner, where did you disappear to Nov 30 04:10:00 ? Nov 30 04:10:17 are you tethering Nov 30 04:10:22 not yet Nov 30 04:10:44 dBsooner: if u have usbnet enabled u dont need novaterm Nov 30 04:10:51 I know that Nov 30 04:10:54 dBsooner: but u need to set an ip statically Nov 30 04:11:07 No I don't.. because I have dnsmasq enabled on usb0 Nov 30 04:11:16 and usbnet is enabled Nov 30 04:11:31 dBsooner: u do if you have freeTether running Nov 30 04:11:33 my problem was usbnet driver not being downloaded to my laptop Nov 30 04:11:44 dBsooner: just use bt then Nov 30 04:11:48 dBsooner, its already on your desktop Nov 30 04:12:03 dBsooner, windows 7 has a driver built in Nov 30 04:12:17 negative Nov 30 04:12:26 dBsooner, negative to what? Nov 30 04:12:50 The drivers for this device are not installed. (Code 28) Nov 30 04:13:01 click update! Nov 30 04:13:03 RNDIS Ethernet Gadget Nov 30 04:13:06 I did! Nov 30 04:13:13 ok great now hit browse Nov 30 04:13:46 "browse my computer for driver software" Nov 30 04:13:59 then choose "let me pick from a list..." Nov 30 04:14:02 Dude, please don't talk on that small of a level Nov 30 04:14:08 tell me what one to install Nov 30 04:14:14 hahaha Nov 30 04:14:28 I am like 10 steps ahead of you Nov 30 04:14:29 Network Adapters>Microsoft Corp Nov 30 04:14:33 not Microsoft Nov 30 04:14:46 Remote NDIS based Internet Sharing Device Nov 30 04:14:53 Yeah, I know ther eis a difference Nov 30 04:14:54 and you should be set Nov 30 04:15:40 dBsooner, glad you know! :) Nov 30 04:16:00 install Remote NDIS based Internet Sharing Device and thats it Nov 30 04:17:11 PuffTheMagic, did you catch all that for future refrecne? same applies to windows vista Nov 30 04:18:50 Jack87: i "read it" Nov 30 04:18:55 i prob wont remember it Nov 30 04:18:57 i dont use window Nov 30 04:19:01 windows Nov 30 04:19:15 lol dBsooner can do the trouble shooting for windows users Nov 30 04:19:19 windows users shoulkd know how to use their machines Nov 30 04:19:42 * PuffTheMagic waits for a rwhitby comment Nov 30 04:21:00 PuffTheMagic, how do you like BlueMan Nov 30 04:21:19 its nice Nov 30 04:21:23 too bad its not qt based Nov 30 04:21:41 its sorta wonky though Nov 30 04:21:46 some of the shit dont display right Nov 30 04:21:53 but the network support worked fine Nov 30 04:21:54 ya i noticed that Nov 30 04:22:12 it was the only thing i could get working to do a PAN Nov 30 04:23:18 thats cause the pan daemons got depricated you can only do pan over dbus now Nov 30 04:23:27 and most of the tools clients dont use the dbus interface yet Nov 30 04:23:31 same with obex Nov 30 04:26:27 PuffTheMagic, thats beyond my tiny little mind Nov 30 04:27:21 PuffTheMagic, but that doesnt mean its not useful info.. sorry thats how it came out.. when i dont understand stuff like that i research and learn so dont stop :) Nov 30 04:42:12 ghost town Nov 30 04:42:44 * Jack87 watches tumbling bush roll on by Nov 30 04:47:18 jack87 Nov 30 04:47:43 hi rick_home Nov 30 04:48:38 from what I'm looking at online it seems that its possible to install debian on webos. I've never used anything like it before, and I was wondering if there is a prewareesque install around? Nov 30 04:49:35 endersama: 'install' is a funny word. you're taking a prebuilt environment, putting it on your pre as a .img file, and chrooting into it Nov 30 04:49:48 i suppose someone could write a script to mount and chroot everything instead of following the guide, but it's easy Nov 30 04:51:49 zsoc, thanks for the response. I'm waaay out of my expertise here, but the way I learn everything is by diving in headfirst Nov 30 04:52:11 endersama: well if you're not familiar with linux, what do you want with a debian environment? Nov 30 04:53:03 I am trying to use oracle sql developer on the pre, and there is a debian package for it Nov 30 04:53:08 My gmail isn't working. Im not getting notifications in Trillian or my Pre, yet hte emails are appearing in my inbox... Nov 30 04:53:31 endersama: is it already in the optware repos? otherwise you'll have to cross compile it. a standard debian package would be made for x86/64 Nov 30 04:54:18 endersama is the oravle sql developer a command line app, or is it a gui app? Nov 30 04:54:46 gui app Nov 30 04:55:05 endersama you can't do that. Nov 30 04:55:09 is it an X app? Nov 30 04:56:04 Rick_work: now all we need is a wrapper for directfb that implements a surface that mimics X :D :D how's that for thinking big? Nov 30 04:56:33 the problem is x apps aren't designed for a mobile phone with a touch screen Nov 30 04:56:38 nodnodnod Nov 30 04:56:50 nor do they fit in 320x480 Nov 30 04:57:11 and scaling x is "hard" Nov 30 04:57:32 rick_work: eh.... http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sqldeveloper-package Nov 30 04:58:51 * oil thinks endersama should get to work Nov 30 04:58:58 I wonder what the learning curve would be to write an app if the debian path isn't possible Nov 30 04:59:38 endersama you have a 1 in 10^237 chance of getting this to work on a pre. Nov 30 05:00:11 rick_work: thanks for being honest Nov 30 05:00:13 Anyone have an idea why I can't remove my gmail account off my Pre? Nov 30 05:00:16 endersama ignore for a moment that the pre's screen is 1/4 the size of the MINIMUM screen res required to run the app. Nov 30 05:00:43 ignore for the moment that the app is not touch-screen friendly, and requires "right click" ability. Nov 30 05:00:58 ignore for a moment that it is dependent on graphics libraries you can't RUN on a pre Nov 30 05:01:06 ignore all that. Nov 30 05:01:19 * oil ignores everything Nov 30 05:02:33 * endersama ignores all that Nov 30 05:03:53 endersama you can't run this on your pre because it incorporates an editor that requires keys that the pre doesn't have. Nov 30 05:03:56 no function keys Nov 30 05:04:08 lol Nov 30 05:04:15 in other words. Give up, it's inappropriate. Nov 30 05:04:19 hehe Nov 30 05:04:19 Buy a netbook Nov 30 05:05:11 rick_work: hmm, I wonder if sqlplus (basic command developer) would work :P Nov 30 05:06:09 endersama if your oracle sql server will allow you to ssh into the server, you can run sql*plus in the palm terminal app Nov 30 05:06:37 it's a command line app that runs _on the server_ Nov 30 05:06:59 * endersama googles ssh to sqlplus Nov 30 05:08:15 that's not the way endersama Nov 30 05:08:38 to run sqlplus you execute the "sqlplus" command-line utility from the $ORACLE_HOME/bin directory. Nov 30 05:08:41 ON THE SERVER Nov 30 05:08:47 so you have to be "on the server" Nov 30 05:08:57 so, your server has to be configured to allow SSH login. Nov 30 05:09:19 if it is, you're golden. Nov 30 05:09:23 if not, you're screwed Nov 30 05:10:29 endersama you might look into iSqlplus which was Oracle's web-based manager, much like PhpMyAdmin for oracle databases Nov 30 05:10:38 it doesn't ship from 11g on, butyou can retro-fit it. Nov 30 05:11:20 rick_work: thanks for explaining :). I do phone tech support and don't even bother trying to explain things to most students Nov 30 05:11:52 Explaining this is what I do Nov 30 05:11:56 things Nov 30 05:12:31 my oracle server has a web manager which is online, tho I can't open it with my pre Nov 30 05:13:20 you can't open it with your pre why? Nov 30 05:13:23 what happens? Nov 30 05:13:46 * Rick_work off to be Nov 30 05:13:47 bed Nov 30 05:14:01 Is there ANY frikken point posting to the Pre dev forums when I never get a frikken answer?!?! Nov 30 05:14:54 Or an ack, or anything?!?! Nov 30 05:15:51 * oil posted something to palms forums once Nov 30 05:15:54 nobody ever responded Nov 30 05:17:10 and i don't even bother posting questions on precentral Nov 30 05:17:11 lolol Nov 30 05:17:16 rick_work: the http client sent a request that this server could not understand Nov 30 05:22:10 oil: its just annoying... as I've posted two real bugs that at least should be ACK'd Nov 30 05:22:30 I think this IMAP issue I've found is big. Nov 30 06:25:31 does the bourne shell require wifi connection? Nov 30 07:36:08 does messaging (besides sms) use wifi or evdo? Nov 30 07:36:37 i think it depends on if wifi is on Nov 30 07:37:16 now its working Nov 30 07:37:21 weird Nov 30 07:37:37 personally, i'm not a wifi fan Nov 30 07:37:48 maybe my wifi is acting up Nov 30 07:37:53 the few times ive used aim over wifi it disconnects whenever the phone goes dark Nov 30 07:41:00 i usually only connect up wifi if i'm downloading something large Nov 30 07:42:05 I have to use it at my house. Nov 30 07:42:15 evdo is garbage here Nov 30 07:42:24 yeah, its like that at work Nov 30 07:42:38 but everywhere else is great Nov 30 07:42:41 but i figure if my phone has shitty internet, im less likely to mess with it all day instead of working Nov 30 07:42:41 xD Nov 30 07:44:31 hey rwhitby, oil, and other Nov 30 07:44:40 yeah. I have that problem Nov 30 07:45:14 i would be annoyed by a lack of evdo at home though Nov 30 07:45:31 Anyone know how to change the voicemail speeddial? Nov 30 07:45:36 I think its picking it up from the SIM Nov 30 07:45:50 how might I change the code in openssh script Nov 30 07:46:02 I get calls and sms fine. I just have to go outside to talk. Nov 30 07:47:38 lol Nov 30 07:47:41 that sucks Nov 30 07:47:51 lingfish: idk about that Nov 30 07:48:07 ender: i don't know anything about openssh Nov 30 07:48:29 oil: hrm, yeah weird... trying to work out if its pulling it from the network or SIM Nov 30 07:48:41 oil: what about just editing a script through terminal Nov 30 07:48:43 well, cdma phones don't have sim cards xD Nov 30 07:48:45 I apparently have one SIM contact says my Pre... but it isn't easy to work out WHICH contact that is Nov 30 07:48:54 ender: you can use vi to edit scripts through terminal Nov 30 07:49:15 So I wonder if its coming from the network, the phone DB, or my SIM. Nov 30 07:49:30 Voda is odd... they have a full + intl access number, and a shortcode Nov 30 07:49:41 its trying to use the full, which doesn't just automagically take me into my vmail Nov 30 07:50:26 oil: thank you Nov 30 07:53:32 oil: hrm it looks like the file is read only right now -_- how would I save and exit from vi Nov 30 07:53:51 google for directions Nov 30 07:54:39 it knows all about vi Nov 30 07:58:39 * lingfish hearts vi Nov 30 07:58:49 We've had a long and wonderful relationship Nov 30 08:04:52 <3 nano Nov 30 08:05:25 * rwhitby often prefers sed -i Nov 30 08:06:09 * rwhitby celebrates the wrp400 tftp server actually accepting my customised flash image ... Nov 30 08:06:45 rwhitby, i am glad its working out Nov 30 08:07:27 ender, you need to mount the partition rewritable first Nov 30 08:07:33 then google about vi Nov 30 08:08:05 If you guys want to read about the other end of the how-hard-to-get-root spectrum from the Pre, have a read of http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/WRP400/HomePage - I've now had to reflash back to an earlier version of the firmware (a 20 minute wait in itself) just to get to the point where I can test my customised new firmware image ... Nov 30 08:08:20 Jack87: yep, got that done, now I'm trying to move the cursor in vi but I'm not able to do it Nov 30 08:08:48 oil: its in the phone prefs page Nov 30 08:08:51 rwhitby, i read that last night :) Nov 30 08:08:57 and I see it in the code... but it reverts it! Nov 30 08:09:09 ender use the arrow keys :) you will figure it out Nov 30 08:09:38 anyone think there is a way to physically rotate images on the photo app? Nov 30 08:10:05 and if not actually rotating file then atleast manually rotate for viewing purposes Nov 30 08:10:28 perhaps we need a patch for that Nov 30 08:10:36 Jack87: heh I'm in pre terminal so its gesture number navigation. and it was working in read only Nov 30 08:11:11 ender, shouldnt be any different hold down orange key Nov 30 08:11:24 personally oil i think wasd should be navigations with terminal app Nov 30 08:11:53 just like gaming :) Nov 30 08:13:13 Jack87: I probably hit something like sym or other that got it stuck Nov 30 08:14:22 ender, i am going to try and edit a file with terminal and vi..for kicks.. wish me luck Nov 30 08:15:13 ender, i lied to you Nov 30 08:15:22 ender, hold down gesture area and use number not orange Nov 30 08:16:15 Uncompressing Linux... Out of memory -- System halted Nov 30 08:16:25 hmm Nov 30 08:16:43 rwhitby, eh oh!! well atleast not bricked Nov 30 08:16:47 ouch Nov 30 08:17:49 any way to capture radio signals using the API? Nov 30 08:17:55 Jack87: ok, now in order to save and exit, I'm having trouble Nov 30 08:18:21 why is that Nov 30 08:18:51 :wq Nov 30 08:18:56 or something.. Nov 30 08:19:00 ird, yes Nov 30 08:19:08 What are the odds of seeing the squarify patch in Preware? Nov 30 08:20:21 ird: when I type that at end of file it just types it it Nov 30 08:20:24 ender, orange+space will let you type :wq Nov 30 08:20:31 ty Nov 30 08:22:01 ender, i just eddited my first file using terminal app and vi... yay fun stuff.. thanks for the learning experince Nov 30 08:23:24 Jack87: lol np. its one for me too (tho to be honest I know I learned all this in a college course abit back... but who pays attention when he's teaching matlab Nov 30 08:23:59 ;p; Nov 30 08:24:01 lol Nov 30 08:24:36 * Jack87 has usbpassthrough app vissible Nov 30 08:25:15 can webos pick up FM signals? Nov 30 08:25:25 usbpassthrough app is telling me usbnet is disabled when its actually enaboled Nov 30 08:25:34 LoneStar34, webos can not pick up any signals Nov 30 08:26:01 * ender can now connect to oracle server using evdo and shell Nov 30 08:26:21 boo... Nov 30 08:26:23 ender, yay! Nov 30 08:26:39 ender, why didnt you just ssh in to do the editing rather then using terminal app Nov 30 08:27:22 LoneStar34, the os doesnt have physical ability to pick up signals.. the device needs to have some sort of radio/antena built in for an fm signal. and i do not think it does Nov 30 08:27:33 Jack87: :) its partly a lie. I am now not blocked from connecting through openssh. now to see if the rest goes smoothly Nov 30 08:28:18 Jack87: ok thanks, you are 100% sure? Nov 30 08:28:30 PuffTheMagic, have you played with the usb pass through app Nov 30 08:29:01 LoneStar34, no i am not 100% sure but pretty damn sure. Nov 30 08:30:02 Jack87: you know if a server can be setup to pick up FM/ AM signals? Nov 30 08:32:03 LoneStar34, i have no idea.. what i do know is that you can setup your computer at home with orb... and if your computer has a tv-tuner with a fm-tuner.. you can access your computer via orb on your phone and stream the audio into the video app of the pre Nov 30 08:32:16 now i am not saying this is what you should do.. but its just an idea Nov 30 08:33:08 maybe you can make your own server that can broadcast whatever fm station from your computer and have the phone access it through the internet this will allow you to get fm on your phone without actually having an fm tunner Nov 30 08:33:15 kind like that police scanner app for the iphone Nov 30 08:34:32 jack87: so a server without an fm-tuner, can obviously not pick up fm signals... i was thinking maybe there was a software solution that would replace fm-turner hardware Nov 30 08:35:16 ya... thats what i said :) Nov 30 08:35:29 but one does not exist currently Nov 30 08:35:49 probably wont consider fm signal is limited to cities Nov 30 08:36:21 but in theory you can definetly make your own software that can grab and stream the audio from your own server that needs a tuner Nov 30 08:36:23 Jack87: yeah, exactly Nov 30 08:37:00 LoneStar34, as where to start with any of that i have no clue. i cant program worth crap i just hang out here bugging the rest of the fine folk Nov 30 08:37:02 but the signals would be limited to the city the server is located.... Nov 30 08:37:11 LoneStar34, right Nov 30 08:37:31 LoneStar34, i would imagine you want to tune into fm stations for your own city? Nov 30 08:37:48 Jack87: random cities... Nov 30 08:37:57 LoneStar34, but be adviesed its easier buying a tiny portable fm radio from the dollar store Nov 30 08:38:02 haha Nov 30 08:38:26 lol Nov 30 08:38:29 yeap Nov 30 08:39:34 LoneStar34, http://tinyurl.com/yjhkxu5 Nov 30 08:41:13 haha so its almost not worth the effort at all.. unless you really want your pre to be the one reciving the audio stream Nov 30 08:42:04 LOL Nov 30 08:42:05 nice Nov 30 08:44:36 i want a bluetooth keyboard for my pre Nov 30 08:44:45 i think it would be bad ass Nov 30 08:45:01 i would so take class notes on it Nov 30 08:45:18 yeah, seems to complicated Nov 30 08:45:37 can't beat a 99 cent chinese made radio Nov 30 08:45:45 LoneStar34, exactly! Nov 30 08:45:56 but it would be a bad ass app :) Nov 30 08:46:12 agreed Nov 30 08:46:56 * rwhitby thanks Linksys for the recovery image in the wrp400 flash, but not for the arcane uboot commands needed to invoke it ... Nov 30 08:48:02 rwhitby, are you back in business now Nov 30 08:48:27 yeah once fm transmission is supported on the palm devices Nov 30 08:48:28 Jack87: back to the 1.00.04c firmware, yes, but no closer to my goal. Nov 30 08:48:47 rwhitby, you dont hang out in #openwrt anymore Nov 30 08:49:07 Jack87: never did. #openwrt-devel is where the real work happens Nov 30 08:49:30 rwhitby, i could of sworn i seen you there before haha Nov 30 08:50:04 Jack87: only by mistake ;-) Nov 30 08:50:18 Jack87: too many users in #openwrt Nov 30 08:50:24 rwhitby, indeed Nov 30 08:50:49 * Jack87 jumps into #openwrt-devel Nov 30 08:51:10 i want to watch the actoin Nov 30 08:51:32 s/actoin/action Nov 30 08:51:39 s/actoin/action/ Nov 30 08:51:41 Jack87 meant: s/action/action Nov 30 08:51:46 infobot hates me Nov 30 08:51:48 yes. Nov 30 08:52:01 see told you so Nov 30 08:53:54 * Jack87 is going snowboarding tomorrow Nov 30 09:07:20 oil: ping Nov 30 09:08:26 ? Nov 30 09:08:49 oil: Can I use doze novacom to get an interactive connect to a real Pre? Nov 30 09:09:00 lol Nov 30 09:09:06 idk Nov 30 09:09:15 k... Rod suggested asking you Nov 30 09:09:33 i've never connected to my pre in such a way Nov 30 09:09:45 Well guess what... he got it Nov 30 09:09:45 novacom open tty:// or something like that Nov 30 09:09:47 works :D Nov 30 09:09:52 that needs a wiki entry Nov 30 09:10:06 it has one Nov 30 09:10:10 lol Nov 30 09:10:20 IN ROD WE TRUST Nov 30 09:10:48 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novcom_on_Windows Nov 30 09:10:55 from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Nov 30 09:11:13 ... told you, lol Nov 30 09:11:14 damn you, revealing my laziness ;) Nov 30 09:11:33 i was looking for that last week and couldn't find it Nov 30 09:12:09 bloody stupid DOS box width, grr Nov 30 09:12:09 use the wiki google search, not the wiki search Nov 30 09:12:26 oil: wiki search for > 3 chars is fixed! :P Nov 30 09:12:29 ...I need USCL to have more functionality. I yearn for the inclusion of a .appointment or .event Nov 30 09:14:19 oil: does QDLogger always goto /var/log/messages? Nov 30 09:14:50 com.palm.app.phone is meant to be QDLogging but I ain't seeing it Nov 30 09:20:16 yipes, rmdir -p does recursive removable of directories like mkdir -p creates them. Good thing it wont delete directories that aren't empty Nov 30 09:20:21 qdlogger? Nov 30 09:20:22 lol Nov 30 09:20:34 oil: I'm guessing you're not the guy to speak to :P Nov 30 09:20:39 im not Nov 30 09:20:39 lol Nov 30 09:21:46 k Nov 30 09:31:17 on OSX you get a novaterm bash script that starts up a terminal session properly that shows up correctly Nov 30 09:32:04 I guess that doesn't exist in windows Nov 30 09:32:14 I might switch back to Linux.. I haven't used any Windows-only software for like 8 months. Nov 30 09:32:44 I'm kinda missing my old Gentoo build. Nov 30 09:33:08 heh the novaterm script is just "exec /opt/nova/bin/novacom $* -t open tty://" Nov 30 09:33:33 good morning Nov 30 09:33:39 that doesn't explain why it screws up on windows Nov 30 09:35:02 1.2gb to go! Nov 30 09:35:31 I should really get a new computer... Nov 30 09:35:45 2.3mb/s Nov 30 09:39:50 have you tried doing "c:/program files/palm/sdk/bin/novacom etcetc" Nov 30 09:42:00 cause on win 7 64 using just "novacom" fails Nov 30 09:42:13 even with the path info in environmental variables Nov 30 09:45:24 i was able to connect, its just when I use vi or top etc the terminal environment is all wrong Nov 30 09:45:47 does vi work fine when you start it like that? Nov 30 09:54:14 D-Link DIR-615 802.11n Wireless N Router $19.99 Free Shipping Nov 30 09:54:20 jr.com Nov 30 09:55:50 i think my sister bought that one Nov 30 12:40:32 Anyone here been alpha testing Precorder? Nov 30 12:41:28 ya Nov 30 12:41:43 en0x: Have you had any luck recording audio only? Nov 30 12:42:03 no i dont need just audio Nov 30 12:42:10 Hmm Nov 30 12:44:16 why would you want to get just audio? Nov 30 12:44:17 lol Nov 30 12:45:00 Various reasons Nov 30 12:45:19 audio recording is illegal in us... unless u say that everyone will be recorded Nov 30 12:45:27 before recording Nov 30 12:45:27 :) Nov 30 12:45:37 Thats ok Nov 30 12:45:50 im pretty sure you would want an audio recording app Nov 30 12:45:57 not a video recording app for that Nov 30 12:45:58 lol Nov 30 12:46:13 Why make a separate app when the video recorder has the functionality for it? Nov 30 12:47:04 why dilute the video recording app by making it do just audio? Nov 30 12:47:08 and not have a really good video app Nov 30 12:47:10 and really good audio app Nov 30 12:47:14 instead of one crappy app that does both Nov 30 12:47:55 Why does it have to be a crappy app together? All you would do is switch to audio only in the preferences. Nov 30 12:48:54 not that i care one way or the other Nov 30 12:49:03 it just makes more sense to me to have them seperate Nov 30 12:49:05 You never care Oil :p Nov 30 12:49:37 of course separate app Nov 30 12:50:03 en0x: varies by state so consult appropriate personnel Nov 30 12:50:28 i thought that it is the law in most of the states Nov 30 12:50:29 :P Nov 30 12:51:02 there is good page from student journalists association on that Nov 30 12:51:21 related to "one p Nov 30 12:51:38 "one party" Nov 30 12:51:43 i c **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 30 13:17:42 2009 Nov 30 16:08:41 was fceux ipkg (nes emu) taken down from repositories? now showing up anymore Nov 30 16:15:49 g'morn all Nov 30 16:20:18 morning Nov 30 16:20:25 it's 5:20 pm :) Nov 30 16:20:50 its 8:20AM :D Nov 30 16:21:51 ~UGT Nov 30 16:21:52 it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Nov 30 16:22:46 rude =\ Nov 30 16:23:20 whats rude? Nov 30 16:23:36 hehe Nov 30 16:23:37 oh nvm I am retarded Nov 30 16:23:39 :D Nov 30 16:23:45 too early Nov 30 16:23:49 lol Nov 30 16:24:07 yeah, i only got up this morning at 8:20 Nov 30 16:24:10 i'll be back l8er Nov 30 16:24:30 s/8/at/ Nov 30 16:24:31 gkatsev meant: yeah, i only got up this morning at at:20 Nov 30 16:24:39 lol Nov 30 16:24:46 haha Nov 30 16:25:01 hey don't taunt the 'bot... that thing can be lethal when angered :) Nov 30 16:25:02 infobot: i was correcting swisstomcat! Nov 30 16:25:03 You was correcting swisstomcat!? Nov 30 16:25:18 ~yes Nov 30 16:26:13 ~do a barrel roll Nov 30 16:26:15 * infobot does a barrel roll. Nov 30 16:26:33 ~lart a2ny|work Nov 30 16:26:33 * infobot drops a humongous exploding nuke on a2ny|work Nov 30 16:28:50 lol Nov 30 16:28:50 this is irritating Nov 30 16:29:00 anyone else know anything about smartreflex Nov 30 16:33:52 ~smartreflex Nov 30 16:43:05 morning chuq .. did you have a nice thanksgiving ? Nov 30 16:51:07 * Templarian thin's chuq has to filter through a thousand emails first hehe. Nov 30 16:52:42 sounds like a lot of emails Nov 30 16:55:07 chuqui: shoot lots of turkeys? Nov 30 16:55:56 hey, all. Nov 30 16:57:02 didn't shoot any turkeys. Did get some nice photography done out in Merced; ibis, sandhill cranes, snow geese. Still working through the photos, Nov 30 16:57:18 http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuqui/4143962077/ Nov 30 16:57:22 what do you shoot on? digital or .. ? Nov 30 16:57:31 canon eos 30d Nov 30 16:57:38 I kinda like this one: Nov 30 16:57:38 http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuqui/4143907887 Nov 30 16:57:57 was going out into Galt this weekend, but it looks like the weather may be turning. Have to watch. if I do, it'll likely be sunday Nov 30 16:58:30 very nice shots Nov 30 16:58:31 Digital. I use both a 30d and a Rebel Xt; looking forward to buying a 7d next year, I hope Nov 30 16:58:31 chuqui: you use lightroom? how do you like that? Nov 30 16:58:34 thanks Nov 30 16:59:05 i prefer otters. take more pictures of otters. Nov 30 16:59:06 lol Nov 30 16:59:55 haha - do photographers generally take requests? :P Nov 30 17:00:27 sometimes. Especially if someone's paying for the image... (grin) Nov 30 17:00:55 sup all Nov 30 17:01:59 chuqui: noodz ;) Nov 30 17:02:53 nude otters? Nov 30 17:03:05 oh, i know. naked mole-rats, right? Nov 30 17:04:15 naked mold rats: so brutally ugly they're almost cute. kinda like me. Nov 30 17:04:19 sup gkatsev Nov 30 17:04:34 mobgod: not much. you? Nov 30 17:05:18 same old Nov 30 17:05:29 relaxing Nov 30 17:05:33 no work today Nov 30 17:05:37 workin Nov 30 17:06:25 no i mean me Nov 30 17:06:27 :) Nov 30 17:06:44 im working Nov 30 17:07:04 hey gkatsev do u no if there is a patch to delete all calls from the log? Nov 30 17:07:18 i wil be working tom until sunday Nov 30 17:08:01 elif defined(CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR) || defined(CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR_BYPASS) Nov 30 17:08:56 what does the || do ? Nov 30 17:09:07 or Nov 30 17:09:52 * gkatsev -> lunch Nov 30 17:10:19 gkatsev, me too me too :D Nov 30 17:13:27 hey maybe u no a2ny|work is there a way to delete all calls from call list missed ect..... Nov 30 17:18:52 swipe left or right ? Nov 30 17:19:17 na Nov 30 17:19:22 to delete all Nov 30 17:19:47 tap top left Nov 30 17:19:56 Clear Call Hist Nov 30 17:20:15 or does that clear all calls ? Nov 30 17:20:29 all calls Nov 30 17:23:30 all calls Nov 30 17:24:15 so a2ny|work there would have to be a patch made correct ? Nov 30 17:25:19 yup Nov 30 17:25:35 ok thanks Nov 30 17:25:51 bbl lunch Nov 30 18:01:29 hmm split Nov 30 18:04:40 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_CPU_Frequency_or_Voltage_Scaling#More_Information Nov 30 18:08:08 "webos kern.info kernel: OMAP3: PM: Sirloin target registered successfully." Nov 30 18:08:11 makes me hungry Nov 30 18:09:08 medium please with A1 sauce :D Nov 30 18:09:20 ^ Nov 30 18:10:01 * oilsworkn would never put a1 sauce on a good steak Nov 30 18:11:30 i guess it depends on your definition of good Nov 30 18:11:36 ruth's chris? never Nov 30 18:11:38 would you not marinate steak ? Nov 30 18:11:40 omaha steaks? yes please Nov 30 18:12:25 a2ny|work: a good steak only needs salt and pepper. Nov 30 18:12:51 loot-: isnt omaha frozen? Nov 30 18:12:57 gkatsev: exactly Nov 30 18:13:07 ruth's chris i'd never use a1 on their steaks Nov 30 18:13:16 can you mail order ruth's chris ? Nov 30 18:13:17 ah, ok. i see what you mean Nov 30 18:13:22 omaha's are just slightly better than grocery store steaks Nov 30 18:13:36 a2ny|work: no.. you cant even eat there with a reservation Nov 30 18:13:44 lol Nov 30 18:14:13 just go to BJs or Costco and by the $40 whole tenderloin which is like $5/lbs. you then have like 20 tenderloin steaks Nov 30 18:14:15 whats the point of making a reservation if you're not going to be able to eat there Nov 30 18:14:29 err just reread that Nov 30 18:14:33 i meant without Nov 30 18:15:06 theres hundreds of ruth's chris all over the nation though Nov 30 18:15:59 is it a la carte ? Nov 30 18:16:09 "id like to make a reservation for 2 to not eat your food saturday night... thanks." Nov 30 18:16:21 also, best way to cook steak: in the oven for 15 mins on 275 then a quick sear on a hot pan for like 2 minutes. gives you a nice crust with the WHOLE inside being red, no grey in there Nov 30 18:17:04 * oilsworkn always cooks his steaks on the grill Nov 30 18:17:36 I am a grill'er too Nov 30 18:18:06 plenty of good ways to cook a good steak Nov 30 18:18:10 and if the cut of meat isnt the best: coat it in salt (so its white on all sides) let it site around 15 minutes for a 1.5 inch steak. then wash it thoroughly add pepper and cook it the way you like. Nov 30 18:18:55 oilsworkn: yep, you can finish that way on the grill. the oven is just to raise the steak's internal temp to around 140 degrees so there will be no grey ring between the crust and the delicious center. Nov 30 18:19:32 * gkatsev changes channel name to #steak-internals for today Nov 30 18:19:32 i'll have to try the 15m oven trick sometime .. Nov 30 18:20:10 bpadalino|work: if you combine it with the salting, the steak comes out so tender. its amazing. (make sure to wash it well otherwise it might end up being too salty) Nov 30 18:20:44 lol Nov 30 18:20:58 15m salting, 15m oven, finish on hot stovetop Nov 30 18:21:09 let sit for 5m Nov 30 18:21:15 yep. preferably in a cast iron skillet Nov 30 18:21:34 275F oven Nov 30 18:21:48 bpadalino|work: it will be the best damn steak youve ever eaten Nov 30 18:21:59 Or just put it on top of your Palm Pre, and enable the GPS function, the battery will heat up nicely and cook the steak Nov 30 18:22:16 the pre doesn't get that hot Nov 30 18:22:21 FreeTim3: haha, yeah, instead of putting it in the oven. lol Nov 30 18:22:31 but yeah, mine doesnt heat up too much either Nov 30 18:22:34 not like that video of the guy making scrambled eggs inside his 360 Nov 30 18:23:07 I was j/k... after the last two patches my battery heat up problem went away, they cured it Nov 30 18:23:08 http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/~htsu/humor/fry_egg.html Nov 30 19:07:02 gkatsev: your egg link killed the channel Nov 30 19:07:58 I think my pre is possessed. Nov 30 19:08:28 that's what you get for not disabling root over cdma~ :) Nov 30 19:10:02 oilsworkn: lol. sorry Nov 30 19:10:30 yeah, have you not seen the worm on the iphone Nov 30 19:11:02 palm told me where to stick it Nov 30 19:11:03 :D Nov 30 19:11:25 where to stick what? Nov 30 19:12:31 er. Nov 30 19:12:48 sounds very personal .. and intimate Nov 30 19:12:57 and painful Nov 30 19:13:52 i sent them a mail about the wifi driver source not being available Nov 30 19:14:29 haha Nov 30 19:14:47 what did they reply? Nov 30 19:14:59 today Nov 30 19:15:03 oh what Nov 30 19:16:19 palm says that they got the driver from marvell under a "commercial license" Nov 30 19:18:31 if u saw Nov 30 19:18:33 root@palm-webos-device /var/home/root # modinfo sd8xxx Nov 30 19:18:33 filename: /lib/modules/2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430/kernel/net/wifi/sd8xxx.ko Nov 30 19:18:33 license: GPL Nov 30 19:18:47 wouldnt u beleive that the file GPL? Nov 30 19:21:23 lol Nov 30 19:22:54 Judging by the source tree I'm looking at, that is likely the case. The fact that the module license says GPL is likely an oversight Nov 30 19:23:14 (going by a quick look in the tree only, I didn't touch that driver) Nov 30 19:25:29 so much for freetether? Nov 30 19:26:07 oilsworkn: well, it should still work over usbnet and bluetooth, no? Nov 30 19:26:09 oilsworkn: no, me and ni| will get the open drivers working Nov 30 19:26:14 gkatsev: yeah it does Nov 30 19:26:26 though, mifi funcionality would be awesome Nov 30 19:26:59 doesn't mytether do wifi tethering? Nov 30 19:27:12 didnt 1.3.1 broke that? Nov 30 19:27:17 * gkatsev doesnt know Nov 30 19:27:25 s/broke/break/ Nov 30 19:27:25 gkatsev meant: didnt 1.3.1 break that? Nov 30 19:27:28 and by "mytether" i mean "donationtether" Nov 30 19:27:33 lol Nov 30 19:27:46 dontether Nov 30 19:27:49 its hardly a donation when its required fee Nov 30 19:27:57 right Nov 30 19:27:59 it was a joke Nov 30 19:28:09 its not a dontaion Nov 30 19:28:10 its a purchase Nov 30 19:28:12 with less taxes Nov 30 19:28:25 dont tell the irs Nov 30 19:28:27 isnt it like $15 now? Nov 30 19:28:51 what it is... is completely ridiculous Nov 30 19:29:11 it was $10, but i think it was raised to $15 recently. not sure though Nov 30 19:30:03 oil, is there a very simple query to check to see if there is cloud? Nov 30 19:30:26 putty sucks. Nov 30 19:30:40 ./me looks up? Nov 30 19:31:09 a2ny|work: try portable ubuntu. Nov 30 19:31:24 Rick_work: there is the connection manager service Nov 30 19:31:34 thanks Nov 30 19:32:02 the docs for it on palms website for it aren't total crap either Nov 30 19:32:48 wow Nov 30 19:32:52 * oilsworkn is about to pass out at work Nov 30 19:32:57 thats what i get for not sleeping last night Nov 30 19:33:48 which is what i get for waking up at 5pm on sunday Nov 30 19:34:04 lol Nov 30 19:34:20 wait Nov 30 19:34:27 can you turn on ad-hoc by iwconfig ? Nov 30 19:34:56 iwconfig? Nov 30 19:36:02 http://webos.pastebin.com/m32221712 Nov 30 19:36:20 you know, i would use freetether, if i wasn't afraid of sprint finding out Nov 30 19:36:41 iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc Nov 30 19:36:58 set chan/name/wep Nov 30 19:37:02 oilsworkn: just start using up a lot of data from your pre, lol. then when you tether they wont be able to tell the difference Nov 30 19:37:21 you could even set ff's useragent to match the pre's if you wish Nov 30 19:37:33 i do use a lot of data on my pre Nov 30 19:38:18 i've used just over a gig since the 11th Nov 30 19:38:49 20% of my "unlimited" plan Nov 30 19:38:49 lol Nov 30 19:39:28 lol Nov 30 19:40:37 ive used about 600 megs since the 7th Nov 30 19:40:50 this month has been low usage Nov 30 19:40:55 last two months were both over 2gigs (40% of unlimited) Nov 30 19:41:01 lol Nov 30 19:41:09 what do you do? Nov 30 19:41:15 i usually dont go over 1 gig. Nov 30 19:41:16 i love pointing out that its a percentage of unlimited Nov 30 19:41:28 because unlimited isn't unlimited Nov 30 19:41:31 but its unlimited Nov 30 19:41:32 i think my average is around 850 megs Nov 30 19:41:39 drpodder Nov 30 19:41:40 wirc Nov 30 19:41:41 oilsworkn: lol, yeah, stupid marketing Nov 30 19:41:50 i never use wifi cause its garbage Nov 30 19:42:14 and when im testing preware bugs, i must download the feeds a gazillion times Nov 30 19:42:16 oilsworkn: but really, unlimited is unlimited since they only really cap you if you go over the "cap" multiple times Nov 30 19:42:30 if there is a cap its not unlimited Nov 30 19:42:34 its limited Nov 30 19:43:11 5gb right ? Nov 30 19:43:16 oilsworkn: i realize. just saying what has been reported by people. you dont get cut off unless you are abusing the "unlimited" limitedness Nov 30 19:43:18 right Nov 30 19:43:35 it should say "5gb plan" not unlimited Nov 30 19:43:48 I am sure if you called sprint and explained the situation they would be helpful, they have always understood me Nov 30 19:43:53 hell, people might not think thats enough any pay for extra gbs they dont need Nov 30 19:43:55 which would be most people Nov 30 19:45:14 but if i tethered i could see myself going over pretty easily Nov 30 19:46:09 download 6 dvds :D Nov 30 19:46:24 lol Nov 30 19:46:40 lets just say im glad my cable is unlimited Nov 30 19:46:42 as far as i know Nov 30 19:47:23 regularly download a gig or so a night Nov 30 19:47:40 oilsworkn: what ISP? Nov 30 19:47:49 charter Nov 30 19:48:07 they've never given me any troubles Nov 30 19:48:42 i dl like 5 gigs a week on a regular basis Nov 30 19:50:12 except once i got a email from them saying someone wanted to sue me Nov 30 19:50:17 but they weren't giving up my ip Nov 30 19:50:28 and it was funny Nov 30 19:50:30 lol Nov 30 19:50:37 cause i had a modded xbox1 at the time Nov 30 19:50:47 and was renting games and ripping them to the 250gb i stuck in it Nov 30 19:50:51 i use usenet with ssl. Nov 30 19:51:03 well the fight club game Nov 30 19:51:09 apparently needed to be patched to run from the hd Nov 30 19:51:17 so i downloaded the 2 meg patch off a torrent site Nov 30 19:51:22 and they thought i was downloading the movie Nov 30 19:51:28 lol Nov 30 19:51:37 the description of what they claimed i downloaded even had XBOX/PATCH/etc in the title of it Nov 30 19:51:57 that game was garbage anyways Nov 30 19:52:03 never got a letter Nov 30 19:52:16 been torrenting since 2000 Nov 30 19:52:21 i torrent all tv shows i watch Nov 30 19:52:32 yeah, thats how i get ~5 gigs a week Nov 30 19:52:48 hell, the digital switch made my tv completely obsolete, but it was obsolete long before that Nov 30 19:52:51 since i switched to 720p dls since my comp can actually decode that well now Nov 30 19:52:59 haha Nov 30 19:52:59 yeah Nov 30 19:53:09 i usually don't download the high-def versions Nov 30 19:53:34 core i7 nvidia gtx275. it better do it well Nov 30 19:53:47 * oilsworkn has core2quad Nov 30 19:53:52 it does it fine Nov 30 19:53:59 but i just prefer the smaller downloads Nov 30 19:54:08 the quality difference isn't all that much Nov 30 19:54:27 i had the core duo and a hd3650. in a laptop, so... Nov 30 19:54:38 but yeah, core 2 quad should do it fairly well Nov 30 19:54:44 lol Nov 30 19:54:49 my laptop isn't so hot Nov 30 19:54:51 but it was free Nov 30 19:54:58 10min battery life woo Nov 30 19:55:00 mine is 2.5 years old Nov 30 19:55:04 its like mobile p4 Nov 30 19:55:09 1.8i wanna say Nov 30 19:55:09 PuffTheMagic: what? Nov 30 19:55:30 core 2 quad lappy Nov 30 19:55:32 and by free i mean, someone at work broke the screen completely off Nov 30 19:55:36 and we were going to pitch it Nov 30 19:55:38 so i took it home Nov 30 19:55:46 and spent $30 on ebay for parts to make it brand new Nov 30 19:56:24 i got my pentium d desktop that way Nov 30 19:56:25 lol Nov 30 19:56:31 * oilsworkn goes to lunch before he passes out at his desk Nov 30 19:56:34 bbl Nov 30 19:56:37 school district i was working at was gonna throw it out Nov 30 19:58:31 Hey all Nov 30 20:54:23 * Mousey argh's ampachpre and ampache mobile Nov 30 20:54:35 * Mousey kicks keith Nov 30 20:57:56 hi all Nov 30 20:59:12 just a brand new palm pre, is this the right channel for asking about apps? Nov 30 20:59:49 noaXess_kubuntu: this and #webos Nov 30 20:59:56 ok Nov 30 21:01:31 searched trought preware appbase but can't find quick launch wave app/patch, where to get it? Nov 30 21:09:17 where can i find the wave like quick launcher? Nov 30 21:10:45 eh? Nov 30 21:11:03 drag your finger from the gesture area into the middle of the screen Nov 30 21:11:26 its part of the phone... Nov 30 21:11:29 its not an app Nov 30 21:13:45 ok Nov 30 21:14:15 but only if all apps are closed right? Nov 30 21:14:57 ok done :) thanks Nov 30 21:15:07 no it works over the top of apps Nov 30 21:15:26 saw it now Nov 30 21:26:10 how can i install accuweather app without access to the palm app catalog? Nov 30 21:28:24 you cant. Nov 30 21:31:21 ok... so wait until i can access app cat Nov 30 21:31:41 so.. need some sleep Nov 30 21:34:21 hey, has anyone gotten samba to work without losing audio ? Nov 30 21:34:22 what, really? Nov 30 21:36:28 like the wiki says you lose audio with the upstart scrip for samba Nov 30 21:40:26 cuz I'd like to be able to see a share of the pre on the wlan Nov 30 21:52:18 is this a lame question or something? Nov 30 21:53:21 ask it, and ill tell you Nov 30 21:54:26 latta: if your audio skips stream off the pre's samba try increasing your buffer sizes and tweaking the client and server settings Nov 30 21:54:28 oilsworkn: he said Nov 30 21:54:29 ( 13:36 latta ) like the wiki says you lose audio with the upstart scrip Nov 30 21:54:33 for samba Nov 30 21:54:35 ( 13:40 latta ) cuz I'd like to be able to see a share of the pre on the Nov 30 21:54:39 wlan Nov 30 21:55:10 samba on your phone? Nov 30 21:55:15 * loot- shrugs Nov 30 21:55:25 sounds like a good way to make your battery not last as long Nov 30 21:55:26 very poorly worded question so im just stabbing the darkness Nov 30 21:57:00 yeah Nov 30 21:57:28 while coolk Nov 30 21:57:30 cool* Nov 30 21:57:54 it doesn't seem very practical... Nov 30 21:57:56 it is a phone Nov 30 21:58:08 maybe thats just me Nov 30 21:58:51 so I can see a network share of the pre, and drag and drop files to and from Nov 30 21:59:36 i know what samba is, and what you can do with it, lol Nov 30 22:00:00 i don't know anything about running it on the pre Nov 30 22:00:07 and your loss of sound Nov 30 22:01:58 * oilsworkn didn't mean to make him leave :/ Nov 30 22:03:10 * ird slaps oilsworkn around with a large trout Nov 30 22:03:24 Oh wait.. Nov 30 22:03:30 What does xchat slap; you around with? :p Nov 30 22:04:41 * oilsworkn doesn't want to know? Nov 30 22:06:09 Help, my IRC client does not have a slap function! Nov 30 22:06:12 -.- Nov 30 22:07:06 when you close the precorder without pressing stop recording the led light stays on ... is this a known bug? Nov 30 22:07:52 sryan_wirc: probably Nov 30 22:08:20 zsoc would know Nov 30 22:18:23 anything exciting? Nov 30 22:20:25 everything is exciting Nov 30 22:20:44 Whatever you say Oil Nov 30 22:23:34 everything I say! Nov 30 22:24:03 * Mousey gets excited Nov 30 22:25:27 * oilsworkn dumps bucket of cold water on Mousey Nov 30 22:25:36 aaahhh Nov 30 22:25:42 first shower in weeks Nov 30 22:25:44 ^_^ Nov 30 22:25:57 ~do wash Mousey Nov 30 22:25:58 * infobot does wash Mousey. Nov 30 22:26:06 aah! that tickles Nov 30 22:26:43 lol Nov 30 22:27:27 * oilsworkn covers eyes Nov 30 22:27:40 * gkatsev -> kendo Nov 30 22:27:41 bye Nov 30 22:40:03 OMG! Nov 30 22:49:58 what's the WebOS equivalent of nslookup or dig or host command Nov 30 22:57:56 Mousey: tried ipkg-opt Nov 30 22:58:05 ? Nov 30 22:59:38 no existo Nov 30 22:59:41 must google Nov 30 23:00:23 Mousey: or are you looking for a app that does that Nov 30 23:00:32 CLI tool would be find Nov 30 23:01:06 dnsutils would be fine ^_^ Nov 30 23:03:16 optware-bootstrap is your friend ;) Nov 30 23:03:47 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Nov 30 23:03:56 and after that : http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Nov 30 23:04:16 now, i installed optware-bootstrap from preware Nov 30 23:04:19 is this a different one? Nov 30 23:05:29 never tried it, but i as long as you have ipkg-opt you should have what you need Nov 30 23:11:38 rt Nov 30 23:13:00 Mousey: yeah, optware bootstrap in Preware doesn't set up ipkg-opt - I guess I should add the ipkg-opt package to Preware Nov 30 23:13:12 * Mousey would be 10 gladly Nov 30 23:13:44 Mousey: just checked, adns is available as opt package Nov 30 23:13:48 then people would be able to access all the optware command line stuff using just Preware and Terminal. yeah, that would be cool. Nov 30 23:14:48 DarkSpecter: interesting, ipkg [-o /var] list |grep dns shows me no adns Nov 30 23:15:14 Mousey: ipkg != ipkg-opt Nov 30 23:15:42 yes, if you notice, a) i don't have ipkg-opt and b) i show both ipkg and "ipkg -o /var" Nov 30 23:15:50 Mousey: what should the "user friendly" name of the ipkg-opt package in Preware be? Nov 30 23:16:06 hmm, Nov 30 23:16:28 Advanced CLI package access Nov 30 23:16:30 or something Nov 30 23:16:52 * DarkSpecter votes for "essential cool stuff O.o" Nov 30 23:17:18 Optware Command Line linux app installer Nov 30 23:17:35 ipkg-opt is mainly for the OE linux command line stuff right? Nov 30 23:17:55 how about "Optware Package Installer" Nov 30 23:18:16 me votes for OPI Nov 30 23:19:05 azakus: let's discuss here Nov 30 23:19:18 Optware Package Installer is good.. but does it give the impression that it's another Preware program? people will certainly wonder when they go and install it, and there's no new icon Nov 30 23:19:40 ok, needs Linux and Command Line in it then Nov 30 23:19:57 ok, so I'm writing a resource monitor app Nov 30 23:20:01 rwhitby: maybe add nonGUI Nov 30 23:20:14 Opware CLI Package Installer Nov 30 23:20:23 s/Op/Opt/ Nov 30 23:20:24 Mousey meant: Optware CLI Package Installer Nov 30 23:20:35 Mousey: the people who are looking for an icon will not know what CLI means Nov 30 23:20:47 I've gotten com.palm.lunastats to spit out statistics like # of DOM nodes, openServiceHandles, pid and name Nov 30 23:20:55 kinda why i like "advanced" Nov 30 23:20:57 as well as javascript heap numbers Nov 30 23:21:11 now I'm trying to get cpu usage Nov 30 23:21:14 azakus: what about polling /proc for stats? Nov 30 23:21:46 more of running app stats Nov 30 23:21:58 would /proc hold that? Nov 30 23:22:08 oh, well kinda, ya, per PID Nov 30 23:22:40 so like, /proc/$PID/stat Nov 30 23:22:47 these are javascript app pids Nov 30 23:22:52 not really system translatable Nov 30 23:22:53 oh Nov 30 23:23:01 sry, nm ^_^ Nov 30 23:23:04 like com.palm.systemui Nov 30 23:23:17 man, that'd be cool.. jstop Nov 30 23:23:18 that's a bad pid to kill btw :) Nov 30 23:23:34 yes Nov 30 23:23:46 unfortunately, I can't get per js thread cpu usage Nov 30 23:23:48 Advanced Linux Commands installer Nov 30 23:24:01 I tried ripping apart the oasis scheduler Nov 30 23:24:30 but I think the scheduler might be all in memory Nov 30 23:24:39 no? i'm sure there's a way to get thread stats from /proc, too.. Nov 30 23:24:39 and I don't feel like walking the java heap for a sql table Nov 30 23:25:00 the js threads are green threads inside the LunaSysMgr Nov 30 23:25:00 of course, they have to be discrete threads, and again system level Nov 30 23:25:11 yah, was afraid of that Nov 30 23:25:23 no jmx console eh Nov 30 23:25:24 ^_^ Nov 30 23:25:32 yeah Nov 30 23:25:45 * Mousey is useless above system level Nov 30 23:25:52 I ripped apart the WebOS resource monitor in the sdk and replicated it on the phone Nov 30 23:25:55 basically Nov 30 23:26:02 can has? Nov 30 23:26:03 =) Nov 30 23:26:16 I have a full java dump file somewhere Nov 30 23:26:29 all the classes decompiled with javap -c --private Nov 30 23:26:37 bah. i'm a luser. i need an ipk Nov 30 23:26:45 almost ready for that Nov 30 23:27:12 have a tap-to-kill model set up with a list interface Nov 30 23:27:22 it's really flaky though Nov 30 23:27:22 actually, Advanced Linux Commands Installer installer Nov 30 23:27:27 ^_^ Nov 30 23:27:29 have to use private dbus signals Nov 30 23:27:38 so the app has to be in the com.palm namespace Nov 30 23:27:38 aww, no d-feet again! Nov 30 23:27:45 azakus - me too if poss- ? that'd be useful to have since I want to monitor my gps app when out and about - it's the only way I'd be able to be sure about memory leaks is when I'm really outside with the thing Nov 30 23:27:57 none of this com.ryanhope. stuff eh Nov 30 23:28:11 I hope to put this in preware or something soon enough actually :) Nov 30 23:28:31 we hope to download it and shower you with accolades actually! Nov 30 23:28:43 I've given up on per app cpu usage Nov 30 23:28:45 just too hard Nov 30 23:28:58 however, I should be able to do whole system cpu usage Nov 30 23:29:17 cpu Usage = 100 - $(top -b -n 1 | head -n 3 | tail -n 1 | awk 'IFS="," {print $5}' | sed 's/%id,//') Nov 30 23:29:20 :) Nov 30 23:29:24 well when testing, i'm only using the one app, even e-mail is disabled, so that's fine Nov 30 23:29:42 start simple, that's what i say Nov 30 23:30:05 yeah, I've been working on this for a few weeks as my final project for class Nov 30 23:31:36 will release with NCSA/UofI license Nov 30 23:33:24 anyone know where the feed for fceux, direct frame buffer, and simple directmedia layer is? Can't seem to find it on Preware? Nov 30 23:40:41 My Pre is still having problems with gmail... Nov 30 23:41:44 that sounds abysmal, Abyssul Nov 30 23:42:49 HA Nov 30 23:46:16 anyone know where the feed for fceux, direct frame buffer, and simple directmedia layer is? Can't seem to find it on Preware? Nov 30 23:46:43 PuffTheMagic? Nov 30 23:46:50 afaik, that stuff is all gone Nov 30 23:47:17 Someone has to know where to get it? Nov 30 23:47:39 Other than me recompiling it... Nov 30 23:52:34 sryan is gone? :P i had a smart-ass answer to his question, heh Nov 30 23:53:04 oilsworkn: did you and PuffTheMagic ever do anything on the resource monitor app/service idea? azakus is writing one right now which will be up on webos-internals git shortly Nov 30 23:53:34 lol Nov 30 23:53:47 there is a partially started service and gui Nov 30 23:53:53 i've actually still got them on my phone Nov 30 23:53:53 haha Nov 30 23:54:38 rwhitby: whats that subdomain at preware.org that goes to milliometers directions? Nov 30 23:55:06 oilsworkn: http://install.preware.org Nov 30 23:55:48 oilsworkn: meet azakus, azakus meet oilsworkn Nov 30 23:56:02 hi oilsworkn Nov 30 23:56:10 hey Nov 30 23:56:33 so like rwhitby said, I've been writing a resource monitor Nov 30 23:57:14 it's basically top for the running javascript threads Nov 30 23:57:14 oilsworkn: what package id's did you use for your stuff? Nov 30 23:57:14 yeah Nov 30 23:57:15 i was doing the gui for puffs service Nov 30 23:57:18 there is screenshots somewhere Nov 30 23:58:27 us.ryanhope.ubermonsrv and ws.junk.ubermonitor Nov 30 23:58:36 the code was never put anywhere Nov 30 23:58:37 lol Nov 30 23:59:16 ah, we're in different modes I think Nov 30 23:59:27 I'm doing javascript app monitoring Nov 30 23:59:50 all infomation from the luna vm that I can grab Dec 01 00:00:00 lol Dec 01 00:00:04 ubermonitor wanted to do everything for everything Dec 01 00:00:21 rwhitby: hey you sticking around for a minute? i may need you to package 0.3.1 and the service Dec 01 00:00:21 if/when i push Dec 01 00:00:29 processor, storage, memory, network, battery, etc are on its main scene Dec 01 00:00:35 but only a couple actually showed anything Dec 01 00:00:37 zsoc: yetp Dec 01 00:00:42 it was ambitious, but other crap got in its way Dec 01 00:01:04 zsoc: tell me you're not making precorder an audio recorder Dec 01 00:01:18 * zsoc needs to make an app that subscribes to a service that polls dbus Dec 01 00:01:30 oilsworkn: not my top priority, but it would take about an hour of work, why? Dec 01 00:01:33 * keith kicks mousey Dec 01 00:01:38 Haha Dec 01 00:01:43 someone was saying it was a good idea Dec 01 00:01:50 and i told them to jump off a bridge Dec 01 00:01:58 oilsworkn: what is your problem with an audio recorder? :p Dec 01 00:02:02 Well oilsworkn should go play in traffic :p Dec 01 00:02:21 anyway, as it stand right now, VIDEO encodes better on the pre than Audio, because of a super, duper, GARBAGE DSP bridge (from what I can tell so far) Dec 01 00:02:50 or h.264 is just _that_ efficient Dec 01 00:07:21 zsoc: what does 0.3.1 fix? Dec 01 00:07:39 oil: does your ubermon service show cpu usage then? Dec 01 00:08:48 Abyssul: it stops people from being idiots (starting the video recording and then closing the card and wonder why their phone asplodes), and also it _might_ allow you to directly play the last video you took Dec 01 00:08:54 Abyssul: i will work on the sound fix tonight tho Dec 01 00:09:18 Sweetness Dec 01 00:09:22 lol, server restarted on its own Dec 01 00:09:37 "recording myself being awesome", hellz yeah :p Dec 01 00:09:47 Abyssul: lol=z Dec 01 00:09:53 I also called you Abby, which is just odd Dec 01 00:11:06 oilsworkn: does your ubermon service show cpu usage then? Dec 01 00:11:38 I used to be called Abby/Aby all the time on Runescape and WoW so I didn't even notice lol Dec 01 00:12:09 i think it did that Dec 01 00:12:19 PuffTheMagic? Dec 01 00:12:29 i know the gui did memory usage and battery Dec 01 00:12:43 what? Dec 01 00:12:58 azakus: is making a resource monitor Dec 01 00:13:11 who the hell is asking about ubermonitor? Dec 01 00:13:19 azakus: Dec 01 00:13:19 PuffTheMagic: azakus is writing a javascript top webos application, and wants to get CPU usage data from ubermon Dec 01 00:13:32 * oilsworkn looked at service test scene Dec 01 00:13:39 its got load Dec 01 00:13:45 but no straight use% Dec 01 00:13:53 * zsoc 's got load Dec 01 00:13:58 azakus: if u want to do that why not resurect ubermonitor Dec 01 00:14:22 zsocs got a load in his pants from how awesome ubermonitor is Dec 01 00:14:24 xD Dec 01 00:14:27 and implement top in that Dec 01 00:14:29 like i had planned Dec 01 00:14:31 esp if you are planning on using uberservice Dec 01 00:14:35 PuffTheMagic: sounds like a plan - can you put the latest you have on git.webos-internals.org ? Dec 01 00:14:35 plans plans plans Dec 01 00:14:36 hahaha Dec 01 00:14:38 oilsworkn: i haven't seen it yet :P Dec 01 00:14:53 * oilsworkn will find screenshots when he gets home Dec 01 00:15:01 i would snap some pics here, but have no camera Dec 01 00:15:03 rather Dec 01 00:15:04 rwhitby: yeah... i can... oil will need to push the gui part too Dec 01 00:15:10 have no usb cable to transfer the images via Dec 01 00:15:18 i will make repos for them later tonight Dec 01 00:15:19 yeah, that Dec 01 00:15:24 the gui was smexy Dec 01 00:15:25 oilsworkn: transfer over bt Dec 01 00:15:34 you can transfer files over bt? Dec 01 00:16:00 not that my work pc has bluetooth Dec 01 00:16:00 haha Dec 01 00:16:00 sure can Dec 01 00:16:02 i could bluetooth it to random shit in the office Dec 01 00:16:15 i dont think anything here has bluetooth Dec 01 00:16:38 screenshots have been posted Dec 01 00:16:44 someone grep the webos-internals logs Dec 01 00:16:48 like a month or so ago Dec 01 00:16:48 obex and bnep could do filetranfers Dec 01 00:16:57 oilsworkn: yeah i remember them Dec 01 00:17:01 PuffTheMagic: is the ubermonitor git repo on webos-internals?, or anywhere public I can view? Dec 01 00:17:19 the gui and service were on preyourmind.org Dec 01 00:17:19 there is no repo afaik Dec 01 00:17:25 i need to put them on webosinternals Dec 01 00:17:28 the gui was never on there though Dec 01 00:17:29 kk Dec 01 00:17:31 the gui was never pushed actually Dec 01 00:17:33 due to it being crap Dec 01 00:17:37 azakus: also... Dec 01 00:17:38 and not being my fault Dec 01 00:18:00 azakus: i was just about to implement per process stats in the sercice Dec 01 00:18:02 service Dec 01 00:18:11 then i started hacking on C ipkgservice Dec 01 00:18:12 like javascript stats? Dec 01 00:18:17 then i switched to wIRCd Dec 01 00:18:20 i've got those Dec 01 00:18:22 azakus: no like top Dec 01 00:18:25 real top Dec 01 00:18:25 ah Dec 01 00:18:31 i was using the source code from that Dec 01 00:18:33 my app is actually javascript op Dec 01 00:18:35 that would always show luna at the top Dec 01 00:18:37 to walk the proc tree Dec 01 00:18:37 top* Dec 01 00:18:44 lol Dec 01 00:19:06 azakus: i was basically showing all info available in /proc and /sys Dec 01 00:19:09 that was usefull Dec 01 00:19:13 in the service Dec 01 00:19:17 yeah, not to what I was doing though Dec 01 00:19:18 that was the plan at least Dec 01 00:19:31 the javascript threads are green threads in the Luna vm Dec 01 00:19:52 they don't show up in /proc Dec 01 00:20:03 at least, I don't think they do Dec 01 00:20:07 so u are subscribing to the the appmanager/running service? Dec 01 00:20:19 err Dec 01 00:20:22 u cant Dec 01 00:20:22 were you polling that? Dec 01 00:20:39 i was polling com.palm.lunastats Dec 01 00:20:44 the luna vm internals Dec 01 00:20:58 what method? Dec 01 00:21:01 palm://com.palm.lunastats/getStats {} Dec 01 00:21:57 u know u can subscribe to that right? Dec 01 00:22:01 no need to poll Dec 01 00:22:17 * Abyssul bows Dec 01 00:22:33 ubermonitor was installed on my pre 9/20 Dec 01 00:22:33 ah, I've never actually subscribed to a service before Dec 01 00:22:37 haha Dec 01 00:22:46 luna-send -i palm://com.palm.lunastats/getStats {\"subscribe\":true} Dec 01 00:23:13 ah Dec 01 00:23:14 * rwhitby creates http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/jstop.git Dec 01 00:23:15 thanks Dec 01 00:23:24 thanks rwhitby Dec 01 00:23:43 azakus: u can take that one step farther Dec 01 00:23:43 yeah, I've just been using an interval to refresh the whole main card Dec 01 00:24:04 azakus: just subscribe and update when u in the handler for the subscription Dec 01 00:24:26 rwhitby: can you build 0.3.1 of gstservice and precorder please? Dec 01 00:25:08 http://i37.tinypic.com/xn96xi.png Dec 01 00:25:09 haha Dec 01 00:25:25 oilsworkn: epic Dec 01 00:25:26 looks better than mine :) Dec 01 00:25:30 zsoc: one line changelog? Dec 01 00:25:47 plucked that from the logs Dec 01 00:26:02 oilsworkn: u didnt even find the cool one Dec 01 00:26:16 that had hte graphs Dec 01 00:26:18 i know Dec 01 00:26:20 im still lookin Dec 01 00:26:34 rwhitby: precorder had 2 fixes since 0.3.0, and the service fix ended up being.. er.. easier than i expected (i just found out about the getName method) Dec 01 00:26:48 wow. sar is installed Dec 01 00:27:04 zsoc: u should send me the spec for that C service Dec 01 00:27:09 what I have so far: http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/~dfreedm2/jstop.png Dec 01 00:27:13 rwhitby: and it's two lines Dec 01 00:27:19 PuffTheMagic: you're busy with things :) Dec 01 00:27:35 azakus: yay! Dec 01 00:27:39 PuffTheMagic: besides.. .. i mean.. with exception to the whole "working well enough to go into beta" thing, i'm getting used to this java service :D Dec 01 00:27:42 i can starting thinking Dec 01 00:27:46 azakus: it looks good Dec 01 00:27:46 zsoc: for the tag comment, can you put the suggested changelog text there instead of "Version 0.3.1" please? Dec 01 00:27:52 pid # of DOM nodes, # of open service handles Dec 01 00:27:55 zsoc: the java service is pop Dec 01 00:27:58 rwhitby: i don't know can i? Dec 01 00:28:01 no need for scripts and system calls Dec 01 00:28:02 PuffTheMagic: you're pop :P Dec 01 00:28:10 that shit is ridiculous Dec 01 00:28:18 yeah but it totally works lol Dec 01 00:28:26 PuffTheMagic: it would take me a few hours to make a good spec. Dec 01 00:28:35 and i want to work on the backend fix for the audio buffering issue Dec 01 00:28:38 so yeah, i couldn't find the ss with the graphs Dec 01 00:29:00 zsoc: when you run git tag .... use -m "Changelog comment goes here" Dec 01 00:29:04 zsoc: yeah, forget have a good clean C service that works way better Dec 01 00:29:08 zsoc, is it known bug that when closing the app by flicking up the led stays on (when recording) Dec 01 00:29:29 sryan_wirc: how is that a bug? Dec 01 00:29:42 i remember trying to get pie charts to work Dec 01 00:29:53 then finding out just how crappy the canvas support really was Dec 01 00:30:15 sryan_wirc: the video is still recording, you never stopped it. Dec 01 00:30:45 it is supposed to still stay on after the application card is closed? Dec 01 00:30:45 sryan_wirc: 0.3.1 should fix that sort of idiocy tho Dec 01 00:31:00 ... Dec 01 00:31:14 in short Dec 01 00:31:16 its not a bug... Dec 01 00:31:17 zsoc: thats all half-assed service issues ;) Dec 01 00:31:18 its a feature! Dec 01 00:31:45 Yeah, it's so you can close the app and the "drop your phone accidentally" for a super upskirt Dec 01 00:31:47 I would assume if closing the app the recording would stop and led would turn off Dec 01 00:32:00 sryan_wirc: it's fixed in 0.3.1 :P Dec 01 00:32:12 oh Dec 01 00:32:14 sryan_wirc: so its a fixed bug Dec 01 00:32:17 drop the phone screen down? Dec 01 00:32:19 ouch Dec 01 00:32:41 rwhitby: that tag already exists, how do i retag the same tag number? Dec 01 00:32:48 -f Dec 01 00:33:11 zsoc: i promised you i would do service beginning of january, if u back out now a future request falls to the bottom of my queue Dec 01 00:33:22 ohh Dec 01 00:33:26 PuffTheMagic: wait, you said december? :P Dec 01 00:33:32 really, c service > java service Dec 01 00:33:33 yeah i mean december Dec 01 00:33:35 having worked with both Dec 01 00:33:36 zsoc: git pull (I updated appinfo.json), then git tag -f ... Dec 01 00:33:38 and coded neither Dec 01 00:33:39 PuffTheMagic: fine I got it Dec 01 00:34:03 c service > java service Dec 01 00:34:07 PuffTheMagic: you can count on me :P Dec 01 00:34:16 * zsoc now to trick oil into doing the app Dec 01 00:34:24 haha Dec 01 00:34:32 rwhitby: there's actually good news in the video preview side of things, it almost seems reasonable Dec 01 00:34:52 zsoc: now you've gone and said that in public ... Dec 01 00:34:57 zsoc: there is no reason it shouldnt be Dec 01 00:35:01 it seems pretty functional Dec 01 00:35:09 except for that lack of viewfinder stuff Dec 01 00:35:17 im not sure what i could add Dec 01 00:35:46 video editing ! Dec 01 00:35:50 lol Dec 01 00:35:55 rwhitby: tee works (actually palm already uses it as xaiki found out), now we just need to create a new surface with ameng's plugin, and get directfbvideosink to sink to it Dec 01 00:35:56 i think once there is a viewfinder Dec 01 00:35:59 it should have some nice overlays Dec 01 00:36:03 zsoc: so is there a reason u cant stream the v4l interface? Dec 01 00:36:04 and a red REC icon when its recording Dec 01 00:36:13 and force sideways holding the correct way so up is up Dec 01 00:36:17 unlike freakouts awesome video Dec 01 00:36:23 PuffTheMagic: i'm not explaining this again, lol Dec 01 00:36:40 link him to the logs Dec 01 00:36:52 link him to the wiki page where Rick_work took the time to write it up Dec 01 00:37:04 if i didnt get it the first time it was explained poorly Dec 01 00:37:06 rwhitby: i don't think puff would be content with the laymen explanation Dec 01 00:37:07 * oilsworkn claps for Rick_work Dec 01 00:37:10 lol Dec 01 00:37:20 lol Dec 01 00:37:36 classic PuffTheMagic line: "if i didnt get it the first time it was explained poorly" Dec 01 00:37:47 :D Dec 01 00:37:49 that should be put in the topic Dec 01 00:38:12 oilsworkn: put it as a random tag line in wIRC Dec 01 00:38:17 rwhitby: er.. says the tag is still there Dec 01 00:38:32 lol Dec 01 00:38:37 rwhitby: the random tagline header is going away with the new main scene Dec 01 00:38:41 zsoc are your eady for some skinning? Dec 01 00:38:42 i think its too long Dec 01 00:38:47 no its not Dec 01 00:38:51 its staying forever Dec 01 00:39:02 * rwhitby gets out the popcorn Dec 01 00:39:08 AnOutsider: RIGHT after we get this done, hopefully in a minute Dec 01 00:39:17 puff hates the header Dec 01 00:39:28 oilsworkn: egaudet hates it too Dec 01 00:39:31 the header he then adopted for freetether Dec 01 00:39:38 rwhitby: fatal: tag 'v0.3.1' already exists Dec 01 00:39:44 its a stylish header Dec 01 00:39:51 preware sports it Dec 01 00:39:55 yeah but the freeTheher icon dont say freeTether Dec 01 00:40:02 zsoc: did you use -f ? Dec 01 00:40:11 there are 3 wIRC's in the top left corner Dec 01 00:40:12 thats not my fault Dec 01 00:40:15 its Templarians Dec 01 00:40:17 its looks silly Dec 01 00:40:24 rwhitby: if i use -f it says it's "not a valid tag name" Dec 01 00:40:30 text doesn't belong in icons Dec 01 00:40:33 noooooooooooooooooo Dec 01 00:40:36 never use -f Dec 01 00:40:36 and you told Templarian to make it like that Dec 01 00:40:43 PuffTheMagic: -f u Dec 01 00:40:45 PuffTheMagic: tag -f Dec 01 00:40:57 not push -f Dec 01 00:40:59 there is "never" a reason to use -f Dec 01 00:41:01 for anything Dec 01 00:41:12 rm -f Dec 01 00:41:29 PuffTheMagic: ok, how to change the tag comment for v0.3.1 without using -f please? Dec 01 00:41:31 zsoc: cool Dec 01 00:41:46 * oilsworkn goes home Dec 01 00:42:08 rwhitby: delete the tag and create a new one with the proper message Dec 01 00:42:12 rwhitby: well i can't do it with it :P Dec 01 00:42:30 zsoc: ok, PuffTheMagic will show you how to delete the tag and recreate it Dec 01 00:42:36 i guess -f isnt that bad for tag's Dec 01 00:42:37 lol Dec 01 00:42:39 git push origin :tag Dec 01 00:42:46 delete a tag like a branch Dec 01 00:42:59 PuffTheMagic: i need syntax here :P Dec 01 00:43:09 i just gave it to you Dec 01 00:43:11 * rwhitby takes a copy of the repo, just in case ... Dec 01 00:43:13 o Dec 01 00:43:25 git push origin :v0.3.1 Dec 01 00:43:38 then git tag v0.3.1 -m "message" Dec 01 00:43:56 but -f would be easier Dec 01 00:43:58 zsoc: gstservice changelog; 0.3.1: Now supports determining the last video recorded. ? Dec 01 00:44:07 just a bad idea to start using -0f Dec 01 00:44:08 -f Dec 01 00:44:14 rwhitby: er, close enough Dec 01 00:44:26 zsoc: put a better one in the tag ;-) Dec 01 00:44:45 ok i give up Dec 01 00:44:47 rwhitby: just do it Dec 01 00:44:52 lol Dec 01 00:45:10 rwhitby: and precorder should be something about a kill switch on app close :P Dec 01 00:45:12 * zsoc hides Dec 01 00:45:16 I'm going to go write that spec Dec 01 00:45:21 so this service can stop sucking Dec 01 00:46:29 zsoc: precorder changelog: 0.3.1: Correctly terminate recording on app closure. ? Dec 01 00:46:45 quick question for anyone who wants to help: after running the precorder bootstrap in terminal, the phone seems to be off. how do i get it back? Dec 01 00:47:01 i mean the connection, not the pre. Dec 01 00:47:07 precorder needs a bootstrap? fun times Dec 01 00:47:49 PuffTheMagic: only until it gets released in Preware Dec 01 00:48:43 is it getting released in preware with 0.3.1 Dec 01 00:49:12 * FreeTim3 is dying for an audio recorder (video too - shoot for the moon) Dec 01 00:49:16 sryan_wirc: that's up to zsoc Dec 01 00:49:53 rwhitby: yeah that's fine Dec 01 00:50:07 sryan_wirc: no Dec 01 00:50:25 sryan_wirc: it's not getting released till there's enough information being passed inbetween gst/gstservice/and precorder for them to interact without leaks Dec 01 00:51:05 zsoc: 0.3.1 is in the feeds Dec 01 00:51:15 * Mousey still dying for generic jabber support Dec 01 00:51:18 dying! Dec 01 00:51:20 auuuggghh Dec 01 00:51:24 * Mousey falls over dramatically Dec 01 00:51:27 rwhitby: ty Dec 01 00:52:05 * AnOutsider downloads Dec 01 00:52:23 AnOutsider: oh god Dec 01 00:53:25 haha dont worry, wont touch it til you say so Dec 01 00:59:41 Templarian: can we get an icon for a Javascript Resource Monitor please? http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/jstop.git Dec 01 01:00:07 rwhitby: i have to make a small fix to the mojo app, can i repackage under the same versioning or is that against some sort of unwritten FOSS code? Dec 01 01:00:23 I'm having a slight problem with preware in that if I load it up and immediately switch to another application preware never loads the feeds Dec 01 01:00:40 maybe its a network issue... Dec 01 01:00:46 that's a long standing issue Dec 01 01:00:47 zsoc: just bump to 0.3.2 Dec 01 01:01:00 once it actually starts loading feeds (as in you see the progress bar), THEN you can multitask Dec 01 01:01:02 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:JsTop created Dec 01 01:01:24 but if you do so beforehand, then it won't update the feeds unless you tell it to from the menu Dec 01 01:01:42 ok Dec 01 01:01:47 rwhitby: are you the only one with access to the auto builder? Dec 01 01:02:13 zsoc: for released stuff, anyone can bump the versions and make it build. Dec 01 01:02:21 rwhitby: kk, ty Dec 01 01:02:29 zsoc: for unreleased testing feed, at the moment only I can do it, but I'm intending to automate that too Dec 01 01:02:57 rwhitby: no, exams and stuff if you could add it to the list on the icons page i can do it tomorrow. Dec 01 01:03:12 Templarian: thanks. Dec 01 01:03:14 anoutsider, is it technically possible for the issue to be fixed in the future Dec 01 01:03:29 That's not something I can answer Dec 01 01:03:29 azakus: please add a request on webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons Dec 01 01:03:34 rwhitby or oil would be better suited Dec 01 01:03:57 zsoc: if you clone preware/build.git, and update the Makefiles in the unreleased area, then it's all ready for me to just run a single command to push it to the testing feeds Dec 01 01:04:20 rwhitby: will do Dec 01 01:05:11 done Dec 01 01:06:31 azakus: what license is JsTop? do you have a URL for the license text? Dec 01 01:07:52 it's the NCSA/UofI BSD license Dec 01 01:08:45 yay jsTop! Dec 01 01:08:49 (i was so kidding) Dec 01 01:09:08 rwhitby: build 0.3.2 plz Dec 01 01:09:22 rwhitby: need a url to filled in license? Dec 01 01:09:26 http://i35.tinypic.com/e96bo0.png Dec 01 01:09:33 is the one that showed the graphs Dec 01 01:09:51 oil: ooh shiny! Dec 01 01:09:59 sexaaay Dec 01 01:10:18 * Mousey rubs against it Dec 01 01:10:57 * oil hides his screenshots from mousey Dec 01 01:11:12 <_< Dec 01 01:11:16 AnOutsider: grab 0.3.2, that should be set for your skin update (assuming we even need to update it?) it just changes the verbage on the play/launch button after you record a video Dec 01 01:11:31 verbrage Dec 01 01:13:15 rwhitby: we should add a method to ipkgservice to tell preware howmany mb are left for apps Dec 01 01:13:40 * Mousey wonders if it'll extend somehow to ipkg-opt Dec 01 01:13:50 zsoc: did you push the v0.3.2 tags? Dec 01 01:14:12 oil: can you add a ticket for that please? Dec 01 01:14:35 rwhitby: it's a precorder fix, yes Dec 01 01:14:37 not gstservice Dec 01 01:18:24 zsoc: 0.3.2 is in the feeds Dec 01 01:18:45 Mousey: mobi.optware.ipkg-opt is in the testing feeds - please alpha test - I have not tested it myself. Dec 01 01:19:38 * Mousey looks up how to add the testing feed Dec 01 01:24:46 oooook,,, AAANNDD it worked before and not now Dec 01 01:24:49 oil: give me a hand :P Dec 01 01:34:12 Mousey: I still need to add a postinst to set up the feeds for ipkg-opt Dec 01 01:35:44 that's cool.. but i can't find the testing feed with ipkg-opt, at least not on preware.org, any pointers? Dec 01 01:37:15 Mousey: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/ Dec 01 01:37:30 in an arch-specific subdir Dec 01 01:37:32 swear i looked there.. Dec 01 01:37:37 * Mousey fiddles with preware Dec 01 01:37:38 (since it's a binary) Dec 01 01:37:50 you probably only look in .../all Dec 01 01:38:04 i was looking in optware Dec 01 01:38:58 Mousey: oh, right - yeah I guess I put it in the wrong place Dec 01 01:39:50 hehe. should i wait? ^_^ Dec 01 01:39:58 also, pre is arm7, ne? Dec 01 01:40:58 yes Dec 01 01:41:00 omap3 based Dec 01 01:41:06 is there a way to install applications from the official store on the emulator? Dec 01 01:43:37 ok, last one, really.. why is my "new feed" fields, under Manage Feeds, uneditable? Dec 01 01:45:24 it's cortex-a8, which is armv7, not arm7 Dec 01 01:45:42 ah ha, the all important v Dec 01 01:45:43 important difference :) Dec 01 01:45:50 armv7-a even Dec 01 01:47:45 ah ha, sussed it Dec 01 01:48:54 good ol' /var/etc Dec 01 01:49:01 who thinks of this stuff Dec 01 01:52:03 rwhitby: sorry i'm a huge idiot, build 0.3.3 please (and if this doesn't work, i'm just deleting it lol) Dec 01 01:53:33 Failed attempt number 1 Dec 01 01:54:08 zsoc: did you bump both? Dec 01 01:54:15 rwhitby: crap no Dec 01 01:55:08 woot!! it shows up!! Dec 01 01:55:15 yay, it looks like palm saved me the need to hunt down a bug in one of my patches in a timely manner, text messages now stay greyed out until sent Dec 01 01:55:16 * Mousey installs Dec 01 01:55:37 root@palm-webos-device:/var/etc/ipkg# ipkg-opt list Dec 01 01:55:37 Successfully terminated. Dec 01 01:55:37 root@palm-webos-device:/var/etc/ipkg# ipkg-opt update Dec 01 01:55:37 Successfully terminated. Dec 01 01:55:37 root@palm-webos-device:/var/etc/ipkg# Dec 01 01:55:39 wee! Dec 01 01:55:50 no feeds, but hey! it runs! Dec 01 01:56:08 Mousey: put a feed in /var/etc/ipkg/optware.conf and you should be rocking Dec 01 01:56:30 (make sure you put both lines in the feed conf file) Dec 01 01:56:49 rwhitby: are you doing it already or am i? Dec 01 01:56:51 that's odd. there's already a /var/etc/ipkg/optware.conf Dec 01 01:57:01 zsoc: leaving the tagging up to you Dec 01 01:57:05 rwhitby: kk Dec 01 01:57:10 so rwhitby, I've been thinking. Dec 01 01:57:13 Mousey: /var/etc is for preware Dec 01 01:57:23 Mousey: /opt/etc/ipkg is for optware Dec 01 01:57:24 [17:56] Mousey: put a feed in /var/etc/ipkg/optware.conf and you should be rocking Dec 01 01:57:24 :p Dec 01 01:57:30 ooooh Dec 01 01:57:39 Mousey: put a feed in /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf and you should be rocking Dec 01 01:57:41 sorry Dec 01 01:57:58 * dBsooner has an idea.. Dec 01 01:58:00 Mousey: the feed will need the cs8q1armel stuff in it Dec 01 01:58:22 An idea that AnOutsider will want to hear as well. Dec 01 01:58:49 rats Dec 01 01:58:55 well i'm out of time for the moment Dec 01 01:59:05 but i have a placeholder, will check it asap Dec 01 01:59:11 THANKS! Dec 01 02:00:52 rwhitby, AnOutsider: What about forming a "theme team" Dec 01 02:01:04 I get the error "unable to play file" when pressing view last video in precorder Dec 01 02:01:16 0.3.2 Dec 01 02:01:49 sryan_wirc: .... how did you even know that was built? :P Dec 01 02:01:58 sryan_wirc: 0.3.3 will be out in 1 minute Dec 01 02:02:05 One that would create an RFC of 'acceptible theme modifications'... Where we could create a directory in /media/internal/ and store Mutliple Themes inside there.. Dec 01 02:02:35 rwhitby: ok, service version bumped Dec 01 02:02:44 Then you could symlink the stock file to the /media/internal/Themes//file.ext Dec 01 02:02:46 I was in this channel :P Dec 01 02:03:01 and when you uninstall, you destroy the symlink and restore the original file Dec 01 02:03:14 zsoc: 0.3.3 is in the feeds Dec 01 02:03:15 if a theme doesn't include a file, it doesn't create the symlink Dec 01 02:03:17 it just uses the stock Dec 01 02:03:35 when switching themes, it would return to stock, then symlink all the new theme images Dec 01 02:04:00 sryan_wirc: update :P Dec 01 02:04:30 Similar to how other themes work.. like the skins of the VKB Dec 01 02:04:36 AnOutsider: ping Dec 01 02:04:46 rwhitby, AnOutsider? Dec 01 02:05:15 oil: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/com.palm.biz.sketchyplace.jstop_0.0.1_all.ipk Dec 01 02:06:28 dBsooner: perhaps start a thread on it in the themes section - I can't spare the brain cells right now to think deeply about it (multi-tasking) Dec 01 02:06:48 It's not something I wanted to thread on. Dec 01 02:07:02 It was more something I wanted to see if webos-Internals wanted to sponsor. Dec 01 02:16:11 dBsooner: ok, email to myself and AnOutsider then please Dec 01 02:16:17 * rwhitby bbl Dec 01 02:28:11 JsTop is now in Preware Dec 01 02:28:30 ~dict JsTop Dec 01 02:28:34 could not find definition for JsTop Dec 01 02:29:49 I'm guessing a javascript call to Top. Dec 01 02:30:23 or a webos call that lists the top cpu/mem hogs on your pre Dec 01 02:30:29 but that's a guess. Dec 01 02:30:41 rick_home: Javascript resource monitor Dec 01 02:30:48 so I was right Dec 01 02:30:52 a js version of top Dec 01 02:30:54 cool Dec 01 02:30:54 rick_home: courtesy of azakus Dec 01 02:31:11 Listening to azakus this pm I was very impressed Dec 01 02:32:17 :) Dec 01 02:33:00 Hello internals Dec 01 02:38:59 yo Dec 01 02:43:27 does anyone have any idea if a patch to leave wifi connected when the screen is off would use less battery or more than the pre reconnecting every time the pre wakes up? Dec 01 02:47:45 zsoc, new update or still compiling the package? Dec 01 02:51:28 Abyssul: for what? Dec 01 02:51:37 Abyssul: oh, 0.3.3 works Dec 01 02:51:46 Abyssul: still working on your issue Dec 01 02:51:53 Nice Dec 01 02:52:01 Just checking in :p I havn't been reading Dec 01 02:52:04 but the failsafe works Dec 01 02:52:10 and now it will play the video you just took Dec 01 02:52:20 like the launch video player button switches to "launch last video recorded" Dec 01 02:52:22 or something similar Dec 01 02:52:31 i'm bad with remember verbage, that's roy's job :P Dec 01 02:52:43 s/verbage/verbiage Dec 01 02:52:47 Lol Dec 01 02:53:10 but it's cool you can take a video and immediately play it back Dec 01 02:53:23 although i think i'd like to split that button into two halves, because sometimes you still want to launch the player Dec 01 02:53:30 Yep Dec 01 02:53:46 Play Last, Open Player Dec 01 02:54:58 I want to incorporate AnOutsider's theme but he's idle :P Dec 01 02:55:05 * zsoc pokes AnOutsider with a pointy trout Dec 01 02:55:16 What theme? Dec 01 02:56:08 Abyssul: a super sexy one i don't remember the link to Dec 01 02:56:17 like a dark grey gradient and a big red record button **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 01 02:59:58 2009