**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 02 02:59:57 2009 Dec 02 03:01:36 hey everyone. getting excited about a foursquare app for the pre! Dec 02 03:02:11 I want an app that makes my keys and wallet obsolete Dec 02 03:02:31 sryan that would be nice too :) Dec 02 03:02:38 get rid of locks from your life - problem solved :0 Dec 02 03:02:39 :) Dec 02 03:04:04 azakus: you mind if i muck around in jstop? Dec 02 03:04:20 geist: buy a gun Dec 02 03:04:45 in my mouth Dec 02 03:05:00 There is a technology called "z-wave" that could do that. I could see a z-wave webos application for locking/unlocking doors Dec 02 03:05:26 geist: what is it you work on again? i always confuse you and chrisa's specialties Dec 02 03:05:32 le kernel Dec 02 03:05:40 did you meet the 3d guy yet, geist ? Dec 02 03:06:06 geist: oh, recompile it with proper cpu scaling support please :P Dec 02 03:06:18 nah, i dont work on omap stuffs Dec 02 03:06:32 anyhoo, gotta go. back in a few Dec 02 03:06:39 :> Dec 02 03:09:00 oil: feel free Dec 02 03:09:47 * oil has some ideas Dec 02 03:29:05 azakus: a quick and dirty mockup of what is in my head: http://i47.tinypic.com/148dcfs.png Dec 02 03:29:47 I need to remember to download the webosdoctor for the pixi tomorrow Dec 02 03:29:48 fonts/wordage not correct Dec 02 03:30:03 but the basic layout Dec 02 03:31:58 what does "force send message offline" patch do? Dec 02 03:32:23 Abyssul: I'm guessing it sends the message while offline Dec 02 03:32:29 probably the same function as send offline does on a pc client Dec 02 03:32:56 Abyssul: you wanna test a pipeline with an adjusted audio caps? Dec 02 03:33:17 oil: looks better than what I have at least :) Dec 02 03:33:29 Yes Dec 02 03:33:47 but if you are offline, you can't connect to send the message Dec 02 03:34:05 or does it hold the message til you are able to send it? Dec 02 03:34:40 nvm I found an explination Dec 02 03:34:45 zsoc: Shoot me up :) Dec 02 03:37:10 Abyssul: whats the explanation? Dec 02 03:37:44 When you are in the IM portion of the Messaging APP, you can send messages to offline contacts Dec 02 03:37:53 It will skip the dialog Dec 02 03:38:16 Ah, does it not effect SMS? Dec 02 03:38:24 Na Dec 02 03:38:30 I see.. thanks Dec 02 03:45:55 hey hey Dec 02 03:49:36 shit Dec 02 03:49:40 i lost 3tb of data Dec 02 03:49:46 find it! Dec 02 03:49:52 OUCH what happend? Dec 02 03:49:56 its gone :S Dec 02 03:50:03 2 disk failures Dec 02 03:50:07 raid5 didnt help Dec 02 03:50:08 :( Dec 02 03:50:12 en0x: ouch, my condolences. Dec 02 03:50:21 * rwhitby almost lost 1TB the other day Dec 02 03:50:35 now i will have a challange Dec 02 03:50:38 10tb of data Dec 02 03:50:44 and try not to lose it;D Dec 02 03:50:46 en0x: raid6 + hostspare :) Dec 02 03:50:47 * oil weeps for en0xs data Dec 02 03:51:07 en0x: was it all porn? Dec 02 03:51:08 or rather, raidz2 + hotspare Dec 02 03:51:12 when is the funeral? Dec 02 03:51:46 zsoc, most of it :P Dec 02 03:52:36 state: FAULTED Dec 02 03:52:36 status: One or more devices contains corrupted data. Dec 02 03:52:36 action: The pool cannot be imported due to damaged devices or data. Dec 02 03:52:38 :D Dec 02 03:52:40 zfs ftw! Dec 02 03:54:13 en0x: put them in the freezer :P Dec 02 03:54:39 hehehe Dec 02 03:54:40 * zsoc makes dd images of all of en0x's data and recovers the files one at a time by filetype and size markers Dec 02 03:54:45 i know what i will do Dec 02 03:54:57 i will go make a myself a drink and eat some shrimps Dec 02 03:55:02 en0x: excellent Dec 02 03:55:10 right Dec 02 03:55:10 :) Dec 02 03:55:11 bbl Dec 02 03:59:22 is universal search suppose to find results in contacts also? Dec 02 03:59:33 yes Dec 02 03:59:59 I rarely open my contacts app anymore Dec 02 04:00:14 ok i'm going now for the drink Dec 02 04:02:15 on0x: even in the emulator? Dec 02 04:03:32 ok, got it Dec 02 04:18:28 en0x: raid 1 FTW Dec 02 04:20:24 raid 0.... "0" is the amount of data you will be left with if your hard drive craps out Dec 02 04:21:02 lol Dec 02 04:21:35 oil: so after the C service is up and running, you're going to rework the mojo app right? Dec 02 04:22:59 lolol Dec 02 04:23:07 i really don't see anything wrong with it Dec 02 04:23:20 besides the two buttons thing sucks Dec 02 04:23:26 but idk about the "viewfinder" Dec 02 04:23:34 what other gui is there? Dec 02 04:28:26 put a naked picture as a background on precorder Dec 02 04:28:26 :D Dec 02 04:28:58 en0x: genius Dec 02 04:29:11 * zsoc wonders how many times a day rod shakes his head at comments in here Dec 02 04:29:26 [; Dec 02 04:29:37 im trying to cheer myself up Dec 02 05:11:04 I have too many nicks on freenode Dec 02 05:11:38 acydlord_pixi: ghost some of them Dec 02 05:12:07 I meant I have too many registered Dec 02 05:12:28 u shouldnt register multiple nicks Dec 02 05:12:32 u only need to register 1 Dec 02 05:12:45 then you "group" your alternates to the first/primary nick Dec 02 05:13:38 I know, force of habit from using 2+ devices concurrently Dec 02 05:14:00 i have like 20 nicks grouped to PuffTheMagic Dec 02 05:14:50 i dont have many grouped to this since it's the one i use for staff Dec 02 05:15:25 used to have 3 grouped to it at one point Dec 02 05:18:42 got my Pre today, it's fun! Dec 02 05:19:43 is there any low-hanging fruit in webos-internals land that I could hack on? Easy stuff that nobody has taken the time to work on? Dec 02 05:19:43 awesome sjanssen, welcome to the club Dec 02 05:21:48 dunno, we mostly tackle things we want done or find things along the way Dec 02 05:22:23 you could try checking the wiki for projects that have been abandoned or look on community forums for requests that might be easy to do Dec 02 05:27:41 sjanssen: what's your development background? Dec 02 05:29:17 rwhitby: the main thing I do is http://xmonad.org , a window manager written in Haskell -- not terribly relevant :) Dec 02 05:29:40 but I know Linux pretty well, can do some C when necessary Dec 02 05:30:28 sjanssen: do you want to work on low-level stuff or webos stuff? Dec 02 05:31:14 rwhitby: probably lower-level, I'm pretty deficient in all this web development stuff Dec 02 05:31:26 Haskell is _always_ relevant :D Dec 02 05:32:12 sjanssen: do you know about optware? Dec 02 05:33:16 rwhitby: not really Dec 02 05:33:35 looks like a bunch of packages built for embedded? Dec 02 05:38:06 sjanssen: pretty much, but it's a lot of them ;) Dec 02 05:38:19 although cross compiling is fun once you get a hang of it Dec 02 05:45:21 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/ipkgservice.git;a=blob;f=org/webosinternals/ipkgservice/IPKGService.java;h=da9998439496d664aa790e6137a88a83bca2809d;hb=HEAD is exactly 1337 lines at the moment Dec 02 05:45:50 sjanssen: this is why we need you Dec 02 05:46:46 pixi 1.3.2? weird Dec 02 05:52:50 anybody on here the author of the Multi Mod? Dec 02 05:52:57 sjanssen: awesome, I use Xmonad all the time! Dec 02 05:52:57 for the browser Dec 02 05:54:01 where is the internals patch repository located Dec 02 05:55:32 edektor: i think dBsooner hordes them all in lockdown on his server Dec 02 05:55:57 so I cant see them? Dec 02 05:56:39 oh i'm sure there's a way Dec 02 05:56:51 i was just making small talk till he piped up and said something, heh Dec 02 05:56:54 azakus: http://i45.tinypic.com/2po465g.png Dec 02 05:57:26 edektor: http://gitorious.org/~dbsooner/webos-internals/dbsooners-modifications/trees/master/browser <-- this looks like elements of it Dec 02 05:58:02 I just want to know if the browser stream/download mod uses the url to determine to popup the dialog or not.. Dec 02 05:58:23 or if it recognizes the fact that a url doesnt have to have an extension on it Dec 02 05:58:36 to stream from it... Dec 02 05:58:53 zsoc: Those look pretty old Dec 02 05:59:11 edektor: http://gitorious.org/~dbsooner/webos-internals/dbsooners-modifications/blobs/master/browser/enable-browser-downloads.patch Dec 02 05:59:22 maybe, but that's probably similar/identical to the current one Dec 02 05:59:23 or i'm wrong Dec 02 05:59:42 edektor: check the branches on the modfications repo - there is no master branch Dec 02 06:00:10 if that's the case, it seems im right? Dec 02 06:00:21 if the mod repo part of webos-internals branch Dec 02 06:00:22 is* Dec 02 06:00:48 edektor: it looks like it uses mimetypes (which is the only way that makes sense) Dec 02 06:01:01 which shouldn't be based solely on extensions (although I'm no webkit expert) Dec 02 06:01:16 well the browser can determine if the url is streamable without a mime Dec 02 06:01:20 or extension Dec 02 06:01:42 like this url: "http://www.mixriot.com/audio/play/5741" for example Dec 02 06:01:55 it doesnt have an extension but it is streamable Dec 02 06:02:17 the broswers sees that but it only downloads it Dec 02 06:02:27 it doesnt give me the option to stream it. Dec 02 06:04:21 well good thing i was gonna wait till tomorrow to download webosdoctor for my pre Dec 02 06:04:40 acydlord: because? Dec 02 06:04:55 they just pushed out 1.3.2 update Dec 02 06:05:53 at least according to precentral Dec 02 06:05:53 acydlord: for pixi only for right now.. Dec 02 06:06:04 err i meant pixi Dec 02 06:06:13 ah Dec 02 06:06:30 just got my pixi in the mail today, i have now collected all webOS pokemons Dec 02 06:07:54 they dont even have the change list updated on their website yet Dec 02 06:09:38 jason's hide quick-launcher patch is lovely on the pixi Dec 02 06:10:25 acydlord: jason's hide is lovely in general Dec 02 06:10:30 GET IT? Dec 02 06:10:32 DID YOU GET IT? Dec 02 06:10:35 hurr hurr Dec 02 06:10:42 SEE WHAT I DID THAR? Dec 02 06:10:49 thats what she said Dec 02 06:11:09 you could have pulled the Dec 02 06:11:16 jason's hide is lovely Dec 02 06:11:22 * acydlord puts on sunglasses Dec 02 06:11:28 LOL Dec 02 06:11:33 nice Dec 02 06:11:45 Good thing Jason doesn't read webos-internals logs Dec 02 06:11:51 haha Dec 02 06:11:57 s/doesn't/doesnt care enough to/ Dec 02 06:11:58 zsoc meant: Good thing Jason doesnt care enough to read webos-internals logs Dec 02 06:12:20 otherwise he would know about my secret crush Dec 02 06:14:33 * acydlord shakes fist at palm Dec 02 06:14:49 i literally just finished installing patches the moment the update was released Dec 02 06:31:26 bah Dec 02 06:31:32 what Dec 02 06:31:36 my phone was not on the sprint network for 6 hours Dec 02 06:31:49 and I coudln't get it to enable Dec 02 06:31:54 then magically it did Dec 02 06:35:22 oh fail, there isnt a repo for 1.3.2 patches yet so they are all failing to install Dec 02 06:39:21 and now the LCD screen has a sync flicker Dec 02 06:39:24 odd Dec 02 06:39:46 time to back this sucka up Dec 02 06:39:52 acydlord: go ping dBsooner :> Dec 02 06:40:08 is he the one that maintaints those? Dec 02 06:40:42 or rwhitby , he'll be more available for this time zome Dec 02 06:41:41 acydlord: try now Dec 02 06:41:47 k Dec 02 06:43:34 pity the pixi doesnt have wifi Dec 02 06:43:42 my data here isnt the fastest Dec 02 06:44:24 thanks rwhitby they're downloading and installing fine now Dec 02 06:45:11 does anyone know what pixi 132 does? Dec 02 06:45:51 not sure yet Dec 02 06:46:10 people were saying it's proc and data optimization Dec 02 06:47:57 bah, placebo ;) i'll believe that when i see it Dec 02 06:48:07 "oh an update. hmm.. everything _seems_ faster.." Dec 02 06:48:32 i'm waiting for palm to push the chagelist since i dont have the webosdoctor files to run a diff against Dec 02 06:55:01 lol, just updated them in the 1.3.2 thread on precentral, peope were about to cry cause they couldnt reinstall patches Dec 02 06:55:44 It's amazing how much Pre/Pixi owners rely on the webos developer community Dec 02 06:55:54 This could get a lot of peoples attention about opensource in general Dec 02 06:56:14 * zsoc wonders when Preware will hit 10% penetration Dec 02 06:57:11 indeed Dec 02 06:57:41 ohh, penetration Dec 02 06:59:46 oil: do it Dec 02 06:59:55 until another day Dec 02 07:12:41 We could cut the speed in half and there would posts about how fast the update was Dec 02 07:12:54 'lol Dec 02 07:16:23 lol Dec 02 07:19:44 anybody got access to ares yet? Dec 02 07:19:58 < Dec 02 07:23:59 i dont yet, emailed chuq today for access Dec 02 07:29:41 wow the sprint website is on crack, whenever i click "buy accessories" it redirects me to logout Dec 02 08:03:34 acydlord: ya dont buy yhere Dec 02 08:03:40 mr tweet Dec 02 08:04:22 i was just trying to see what they had, i get a discount through sprint, and i can get one at bestbuy which is much better Dec 02 08:05:23 i'm still looking for the touchstone for less than 50 Dec 02 08:06:13 that thing has some serious markup Dec 02 08:06:30 yea style bucks Dec 02 08:06:49 its those carbon nano tubes Dec 02 08:06:52 pity letstalk doesn't discount accessories as heavily as the phones Dec 02 08:07:01 seriously lol Dec 02 08:07:17 carbon none tubes is more like it Dec 02 08:07:22 man, when UPS finally showed up, it looked like a elephant stepped on my box Dec 02 08:07:39 the box was so mangled the paper invoice was all banged up Dec 02 08:08:15 i had the same issue, i watched the guy deliver a package today, shuffle it around to "fix" the box since it was ripped open, then get into the "run away" stande and ring the bell, then bolt Dec 02 08:08:44 it had security tape all over it and 3 forms saying, if this is broken, call this number. Dec 02 08:08:56 yeah, step-brother had a phone delivered the other day, they left it at the door and bailed Dec 02 08:09:07 did the same today with mine, at 8pm Dec 02 08:09:24 i remember when UPS was good Dec 02 08:10:00 well the box didn't say fragile and it could have had a better box Dec 02 08:10:20 it came limp Dec 02 08:10:34 i swear if the box says fragile they play football with it in the store room Dec 02 08:11:06 ya that's 'italian' for throw'n'kick Dec 02 08:11:22 lol Dec 02 08:13:02 we need to be able to do this with the Pre: http://holykaw.alltop.com/incredible-timelapse-video-shot-with-canon-eo?utm_source=OM&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_term=Alltop&utm_campaign=Holy%20Kaw%20to%20Alltop&utm_content=Alltop Dec 02 08:13:18 ugh what a link Dec 02 08:16:03 timelapse are easy Dec 02 08:16:19 the problem is leaving your phone on one spot to take all the pictures for that long without getting a call Dec 02 08:16:20 lol Dec 02 08:36:04 oil: airplane mode Dec 02 08:36:16 but still, its a phone Dec 02 08:36:20 the picture isn't that great Dec 02 09:24:59 wee Dec 02 11:36:49 i just installed python and py25-dbus-python; but import dbus fails with "ImportError: /opt/lib/python2.5/site-packages/_dbus_bindings.so: undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS2_DecodeUTF8" Dec 02 11:56:52 stbuehler: on? Dec 02 12:10:25 tmzt: palm pre (if that was your question). right now i'm trying to compile it on my own Dec 02 12:11:38 I see Dec 02 12:11:46 which pyton is default? Dec 02 12:11:54 sorry, talk to rwhitby Dec 02 12:12:01 I think this was solved Dec 02 12:12:28 if it was solved, why do i have the problem now? :) Dec 02 12:13:56 stbuehler: check out the optware svn repo, try building with different configure arguments, and send me any resulting patch to the .mk files in optware. Dec 02 12:15:26 yep, i'm trying to build with the optware svn repo. looks like python25 misses a gdbm dependency Dec 02 12:38:11 is there a "standard" way of building browser plugins' ipks? Dec 02 12:38:48 I've downloaded the basicplugin source code and there are just makefile rules until the building of the .so file, but nothing after that (to make the .ipk) Dec 02 13:39:27 jvprat: look in preware/build.git/plugins/termplugin/Makefile Dec 02 13:39:40 jvprat: what sort of plugin are you building? Dec 02 13:42:12 rwhitby: I was thinking about porting scummvm Dec 02 13:42:15 jvprat: FreeSCI/ScummVM? Dec 02 13:42:31 cool, was just reading your project pages Dec 02 13:42:45 hehe, that's old :P Dec 02 13:43:19 true - that's the last commit that CIA reported for you Dec 02 13:59:19 hm.. ./configure fails for dbus-python (python2.5): optware/pre/host/staging/opt/include/python2.5/pyport.h:761:2: error: #error "LONG_BIT definition appears wrong for platform (bad gcc/glibc config?)." Dec 02 14:13:59 stbuehler: eno in #nslu2-linux might be able to help Dec 02 14:26:23 rwhitby: you still here? Dec 02 14:26:36 dBsooner: yep Dec 02 14:26:38 (would be a shock since its what, 2am?) Dec 02 14:26:41 WOW Dec 02 14:26:47 almost 1am Dec 02 14:26:57 I'm working on updating services and plugins for 1.3.5 Dec 02 14:27:00 * dBsooner gets confused with all this DST crap Dec 02 14:27:15 rwhitby, I am going to flash to 1.3.5 on my main device Dec 02 14:27:20 right now to be exact Dec 02 14:27:24 so let me know what you want me to test Dec 02 14:27:34 I am firing up the doctor as we speak Dec 02 14:27:52 there's an ipkgservice in the testing feed which should work for 1.3.5 Dec 02 14:28:07 where does it install to? Dec 02 14:28:15 . /media/cryptofs? Dec 02 14:28:21 you know I can't answer that in this channel Dec 02 14:28:30 oh yeah Dec 02 14:28:42 strike what I said from the record Dec 02 14:29:41 I apologize for speaking out of line. Dec 02 16:41:31 school wirc ftwww :) Dec 02 16:44:35 chuqui :o Dec 02 16:44:48 hey! Dec 02 16:45:19 what's goin on? Dec 02 16:47:42 Hey chuqui! Dec 02 16:47:47 How was hockey? Dec 02 16:48:42 fun game. Dec 02 16:49:28 the guy who wasw the business owner of my project back at Apple is from Ottawa and was there, so we got together and chatted a bit, and put a little bet on the outcome. he's buying lunch... Dec 02 16:49:47 Awesome! Gotta love it when Palm wins. ;) Dec 02 16:51:08 go palmm ;) Dec 02 16:52:19 Decimate: wirc from school... lol, i knew making that app would destroy productivity around the world Dec 02 17:00:38 zsoc|away: ping ? Dec 02 17:11:51 oilsworkn ain't workin Dec 02 17:12:53 gah! Dec 02 17:13:20 * dBsooner tries to figure out oilsworkn's boss's name and number.. Dec 02 17:13:45 hes on vacation Dec 02 17:14:15 Figures as much. Dec 02 17:14:37 where is that alarm patch?!?!?! Dec 02 17:29:58 oilsworkn: I fell asleep last night watching this show on Aids in South Africa. Dec 02 17:30:08 oilsworkn: And irght now I am uhh.. "doing something". Dec 02 17:30:17 I will get to that patch shortly. Dec 02 17:34:12 is javascript mainly single-threaded? Dec 02 17:35:14 when running dromaeo only one core is fully loaded Dec 02 17:44:59 sryan_wirc: yes Dec 02 17:53:39 until web workers are implemented Dec 02 17:53:56 damn web layabouts Dec 02 17:54:09 get a web job! Dec 02 17:54:24 currently it's a sweatshop in the pre .. only one worker Dec 02 17:54:27 we need more Dec 02 17:54:38 stimulus funds are being lobbied for Dec 02 17:54:48 workers of the world UNITE! Dec 02 17:54:53 lol Dec 02 17:55:10 we should get him a loom, so he can have more threads Dec 02 17:55:13 ^_^ Dec 02 17:55:35 is that what the sprint sweatshop ipkg is ? Dec 02 17:55:38 Mousey, do you have a n800 or an 810? Dec 02 17:55:49 had an n810 until it was eaten by the sea Dec 02 17:56:00 i'd get another one, the n900 is not impressing me Dec 02 17:56:02 a2ny, indeed - i hear in webos 1.5 it will switch to being unionized Dec 02 17:56:07 sprint sweatshop is what customizes the image for Sprint's settings. Dec 02 17:56:07 did you have a Burial @ sea? Dec 02 17:56:23 well we were on a boat, so there was a wake Dec 02 17:56:25 like it has the default launcher order, etc. Dec 02 17:56:35 Adds the sprint csutomer service # Dec 02 17:56:54 Mousey, bad Pun Dec 02 17:57:03 dBsooner: what is DM tree ? Dec 02 17:57:09 yah, i knew there was something fishy about that statement, sorry Dec 02 17:57:25 A2NY: i do not know.. let me look. Dec 02 17:58:34 * Mousey hopes webos grows up to be just as cool as maemo Dec 02 17:58:45 it already is. Dec 02 17:59:15 back to hacking on Karmic Koalas Dec 02 17:59:17 in a lot of ways, yah. but maemo has X, so pidgin and xchat and all that nonsense.. still wating for the X11 compatibility layer on webos ^_^ Dec 02 17:59:37 libpurple, so we're almost there ^_^ Dec 02 17:59:53 Worm would approve Dec 02 17:59:53 Can someone help me with the syntax of accessing an ipk file on a shared windows 7 folder from a putty terminal window? Dec 02 17:59:55 * Mousey still pines away for a jabber client Dec 02 18:00:22 Ron001: can you mount the phone as a usb drive then just copy it over? Dec 02 18:01:14 yes, but there are daily rebuilds on the YouView alpha app and I was hoping to find something quick and easy to do saily Dec 02 18:01:16 daily Dec 02 18:01:32 drag-n-drop seems pretty easy to me ^_^ Dec 02 18:01:40 hmm, do you have winscp? or pscp installed? Dec 02 18:02:39 you have putty, so pscp is available from the same source Dec 02 18:02:40 Perhaps I should just ask whats the easiest way to install an ipk from my desktop without putting the phone into dev mode every time Dec 02 18:02:57 there's a reason to take the phone out of dev mode? Dec 02 18:03:11 I never leave it in dev mode Dec 02 18:03:16 ah Dec 02 18:03:25 hmm.. Dec 02 18:03:43 considered setting up your own preware feed? Dec 02 18:03:53 I just thought there must be a way to navigate to a shared folder Dec 02 18:04:01 uh, requires samba Dec 02 18:04:06 and wifi Dec 02 18:04:07 if you really want to do it without dev mode... you can always put your package in /media/internals via USB and then "mv" the whole thing via terminal or ovaterm Dec 02 18:04:27 yah! usb drive, see? Dec 02 18:04:32 ahh Dec 02 18:04:47 or via putty Dec 02 18:04:48 so can I move it there from putty? Dec 02 18:04:51 yes Dec 02 18:04:54 mv Dec 02 18:04:55 so what's the security measure leaving dev mode on... Dec 02 18:04:56 how please Dec 02 18:05:36 no, I mean how to get it from my lap top to the internals folder without using a cable Dec 02 18:05:39 you would need to pin/lock your phone Dec 02 18:05:45 ah Dec 02 18:05:50 well, you'd use a cabl Dec 02 18:05:51 e Dec 02 18:05:57 how do you charge your phone without the cable? Dec 02 18:05:59 Ron001: winscp Dec 02 18:06:04 or pscp Dec 02 18:06:06 Mousey: touchstone Dec 02 18:06:08 touchstone Dec 02 18:06:08 yes Dec 02 18:06:11 bah Dec 02 18:06:13 the USB drive mode doesn't need the Developer mode Dec 02 18:06:32 is'nt the Touchstone able to sync??? Dec 02 18:06:32 yah, {win,p}scp Dec 02 18:06:36 as long as your have an scp/stft client Dec 02 18:06:46 on the phone? Dec 02 18:06:58 I have a ftp program on the pc Dec 02 18:07:01 server on the phone Dec 02 18:07:18 i don't get it. if you're in dev mode, but you have an sshd running, how is that safe? Dec 02 18:07:23 if its in the wiki I can do that Dec 02 18:07:43 s/'re in/'re not in/ Dec 02 18:07:43 Mousey meant: i don't get it. if you're not in dev mode, but you have an sshd running, how is that safe? Dec 02 18:07:49 Mousey: ssh is set up to only let non-root users connect Dec 02 18:07:55 ah Dec 02 18:07:59 RootLogins no Dec 02 18:08:03 or something Dec 02 18:08:04 yes Dec 02 18:08:09 wow, well, more hurdles then Dec 02 18:08:47 once Im in with ssh, sudo -i to root Dec 02 18:08:57 sudo su - Dec 02 18:08:58 but yeah Dec 02 18:09:14 yup Dec 02 18:09:19 and ask for pw again Dec 02 18:09:24 yes Dec 02 18:09:25 or you can set it up to nopasswd Dec 02 18:09:28 Ron001: so you can has ssh into your phone already then, eh Dec 02 18:09:46 yes Dec 02 18:09:50 in that case: Dec 02 18:09:55 from cmd.exe: Dec 02 18:10:03 putty Dec 02 18:10:10 nope Dec 02 18:10:14 from cmd.exe Dec 02 18:10:21 never tried Dec 02 18:10:22 windows isn't running sshd Dec 02 18:10:34 i know, i was giving instructions Dec 02 18:10:48 anyway, Dec 02 18:10:48 I see what you mean, no, that would have been easy Dec 02 18:11:16 from cmd.exe: pscp filename.ipk username@ip.address.of.phone:/media/internal/ Dec 02 18:11:40 password: ********** Dec 02 18:11:45 copied! Dec 02 18:11:48 then from putty: Dec 02 18:11:58 you can install it Dec 02 18:11:58 pcsp is not a recognized command Dec 02 18:12:01 i know Dec 02 18:12:12 its probably a) not in your path, or b) not installed at all Dec 02 18:12:16 but Dec 02 18:12:33 pscp.exe is available on the very same page putty.exe comes from Dec 02 18:12:43 ill look Dec 02 18:12:45 Ron001: use winscp Dec 02 18:12:58 Ron001: it doesn't matter which you use Dec 02 18:13:01 setup stft server in winscp Dec 02 18:13:14 login, drag and drop Dec 02 18:13:52 basically, here's a cat, here's a knife.. make me a sweater Dec 02 18:13:56 ^_^ Dec 02 18:14:07 hey, no hurting cats Dec 02 18:14:09 ~lart Mousey Dec 02 18:14:10 * infobot stuffs Mousey into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it Dec 02 18:14:13 hey~ Dec 02 18:14:16 ~lart himself Dec 02 18:14:16 I'm a vet and might be able to do that Dec 02 18:14:17 * infobot judo chops himself Dec 02 18:14:28 lol Dec 02 18:14:47 gkatsev: sorry, it's in my nature to wish ill on cats Dec 02 18:17:10 so I should do this? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setup_SFTP Dec 02 18:17:30 Mousey: there's a -g switch in the upstart script for dropbear that causes it to deny password-based root logins. It's the first thing i disable Dec 02 18:18:34 ah, im more familiar with openssh Dec 02 18:18:39 but i like dropbear, way less memory Dec 02 18:19:46 they both use almost the same start script Dec 02 18:21:35 I thought the automated setup script that I ran when I first accessed linux installed dropbear Dec 02 18:22:21 check for /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear Dec 02 18:23:02 yup Dec 02 18:23:57 when I run the optware bootstrap script, I then immediately set a root password, allow root logins with password, change the ssh port to 22, and delete the non-root user. Of course, I also use a complex password and don't allow inbound ssh over EVDO Dec 02 18:24:10 and by no means am I recommending others do the same :) Dec 02 18:26:43 destinal: i do that too Dec 02 18:26:52 well Dec 02 18:27:04 part of that Dec 02 18:27:21 change port to 22 and delete the non root user Dec 02 18:27:31 is ssh with root disabled by default? Dec 02 18:27:32 yikes Dec 02 18:27:34 [10:27] "In the last year alone, Sprint turned over users' GPS data to authorities 8 million times." Dec 02 18:28:05 hmm I change port to 2222 Dec 02 18:28:22 Mousey: are u worried about that? Dec 02 18:28:28 Mousey: planning on robbing a back soon? Dec 02 18:28:31 change the /etc/event.d/ script Dec 02 18:28:31 PuffTheMagic: so you use an ssh key to login as root? (you have to set a root password for that anyway IIRC but you don't have to allow password login) Dec 02 18:28:42 yeah i use ssh key Dec 02 18:28:50 but u still have to set a passwd to ssh at all Dec 02 18:29:00 even if u dont allow password logins Dec 02 18:29:06 sorta weird Dec 02 18:30:29 PuffTheMagic: yeah, I never understood the point of sudo on a phone. it's not a real shared environment and most people aren't going to log in to it for anything that wouldn't immediately have to gain root for Dec 02 18:30:34 i miss castle. Dec 02 18:31:04 What does -z mean in shell script if's? Dec 02 18:32:29 gkatsev: just change /etc/hostname :) Dec 02 18:32:58 dBsooner: man test Dec 02 18:33:01 the only one the init scripts check for is qemu Dec 02 18:33:02 ^^ for all the details Dec 02 18:33:25 dBsooner: but -z returns true of the var is zero lengh Dec 02 18:33:39 ok Dec 02 18:33:45 destinal: true. Dec 02 18:33:46 thanks Dec 02 18:34:08 oh, and edit /etc/hosts to match I suppose Dec 02 18:34:25 destinal: ahh Dec 02 18:34:30 destinal: did u see my udev rule Dec 02 18:34:35 for usbnet :D Dec 02 18:34:56 destinal: KERNEL=="usb*", ATTRS{product}=="Pre", NAME="pre", RUN+="/sbin/ifconfig pre 192.168.0.200" Dec 02 18:35:22 in /etc/udev/rules.d/01-palmpre.rules Dec 02 18:35:23 heh, cool Dec 02 18:35:58 and i have a entry in /etc/hosts for pre-usb => 192.168.0.200 Dec 02 18:36:02 PuffTheMagic: it's rarely the criminals that should be worried about corporate attitudes towards privacy Dec 02 18:36:04 whats the default root password? Dec 02 18:36:06 makes sshing so much nicer Dec 02 18:36:26 wow, udev adventures Dec 02 18:36:57 PuffTheMagic: I ended up just editing the interface config for usb0 and adding the hosts file entry, same thing but not as cool an interface name :) Dec 02 18:37:45 if you have multiple USBnet devices though, your rule would be way better Dec 02 18:57:03 oilsworkn: just pulled from git with the new gui Dec 02 18:57:05 fantastic Dec 02 18:57:14 THAT REMINDS ME Dec 02 18:57:27 I'll go ahead a push it Dec 02 18:58:00 PuffTheMagic: you're the precorder guy right? minor suggestion? landscape your whole ui? videos look funny when you try to watch portrait on a computer or something ^_^ Dec 02 19:01:49 PuffTheMagic isn't the precorder guy Dec 02 19:01:51 that zsoc Dec 02 19:01:54 that's Dec 02 19:02:04 PuffTheMagic isn't tat good Dec 02 19:02:08 :D Dec 02 19:04:17 PuffTheMagic: interesting. in 1.3.1 directory on opensource.palm.com, they finally added cjson, mjson Dec 02 19:05:25 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Palm_Open_Source_Packages Dec 02 19:12:32 azakus: awesome Dec 02 19:13:42 azakus: push it good Dec 02 19:15:20 my phone is a brick :( Dec 02 19:15:48 destinal: oh yeah i didnt even notice Dec 02 19:15:59 egaudet_work: what did u do? Dec 02 19:16:12 Mousey: no im not the precorder guy Dec 02 19:16:23 oh Dec 02 19:16:26 Mousey: i've just been contracted out for free to rewrite the service in C Dec 02 19:16:27 wonder where i got that idea Dec 02 19:16:37 ah. nm then ^_^ Dec 02 19:16:50 dBsooner: thanks for the compliment Dec 02 19:16:55 You're welcome. Dec 02 19:17:03 :D Dec 02 19:17:08 azakus: I made the com.palm.* apps orange so people would know they're palms apps Dec 02 19:17:13 He's BETTER. ;) Dec 02 19:17:23 since I dropped the beginning of the appid on all of them Dec 02 19:17:27 destinal: ewwwwwwww! they are using boost now Dec 02 19:17:32 and i chose orange for lack of a better color idea Dec 02 19:17:32 that is so bad Dec 02 19:17:38 I didn't do anything Dec 02 19:17:45 egaudet_work: bs Dec 02 19:18:36 not bs Dec 02 19:18:38 PuffTheMagic: oh? the c++ libraries? Dec 02 19:18:52 the touchscreen has been flaky the last couple days, only working while plugged in Dec 02 19:18:58 now the screen won't even come on Dec 02 19:18:59 destinal: yeah all the good things in boost are in TR1 already Dec 02 19:19:37 egaudet_work: Hi Ho.. Hi Ho.. it's off to Sprint Store you go.. Dec 02 19:19:41 egaudet_work: won't even come on in recovery mode? Dec 02 19:20:02 and dBsooner is off to create that alarm patch!@! Dec 02 19:20:07 haven't tried recovery mode, woke up this morning to the brick :( Dec 02 19:20:14 going right to sprint store in an hour Dec 02 19:20:16 egaudet_work: u got the warranty? Dec 02 19:20:26 it's hardware so it should be under warranty Dec 02 19:20:38 this will be my 4th pre :( Dec 02 19:20:43 lol Dec 02 19:21:06 first one came with blown speaker, second one touchscreen died Dec 02 19:21:08 oilsworkn: he is? Dec 02 19:21:15 YES Dec 02 19:21:24 alarm patch? Dec 02 19:21:34 so the stupid clock app goes straight to the alarm scene Dec 02 19:21:41 instead of the pointless clock image Dec 02 19:21:53 is there any guess of when the next version of webos will be released? Dec 02 19:22:15 in a week or 2 probably Dec 02 19:22:18 my guess is before 2010 Dec 02 19:22:47 for sure before the end of the world which is in 2012 Dec 02 19:22:52 So I should probably get to fixing up APT this weekend then Dec 02 19:24:41 and make it remove themes xD Dec 02 19:24:49 since it takes 900 taps to remove one Dec 02 19:24:58 im glad you responded to that one, because i didn't want to Dec 02 19:25:02 lol Dec 02 19:25:43 i know he was trying to make a point Dec 02 19:25:45 the 9 million taps probably what broke my Pre! Dec 02 19:25:54 :p Dec 02 19:25:54 but the steps were very lol Dec 02 19:26:18 he doesn't understand that preware is a repo Dec 02 19:26:21 i mean Dec 02 19:26:26 repo viewer rather Dec 02 19:26:26 oilsworkn: that's a good idea Dec 02 19:26:27 and package installer Dec 02 19:26:30 didn't even notice Dec 02 19:26:31 and that nothing is special Dec 02 19:26:32 :) Dec 02 19:26:33 yea, a lot of people don't understand that Dec 02 19:26:54 the only things it does special for individual package types is if you can "launch" said package or not Dec 02 19:26:59 thats really it Dec 02 19:27:58 azakus: thats the orange in the screenshot i posted http://i45.tinypic.com/2po465g.png Dec 02 19:27:59 :) Dec 02 19:28:22 those would be "com.palm" apps Dec 02 19:28:26 what is that? Dec 02 19:28:28 resource monitor Dec 02 19:28:44 i did some gui stuff to azakus' jstop Dec 02 19:28:57 what are nodes and handles? Dec 02 19:28:59 what is jstop? Dec 02 19:29:03 nodes and handles Dec 02 19:29:05 egaudet_work: jstop is win Dec 02 19:29:13 egaudet_work: top for js Dec 02 19:29:28 it shows the apps running Dec 02 19:29:30 and lets you kill them Dec 02 19:29:34 via what? Dec 02 19:29:38 applicationManager? Dec 02 19:30:11 orange+sym+? Dec 02 19:30:19 anyone know any other combos Dec 02 19:30:27 besides r, p, I ? Dec 02 19:30:28 I didn't realize we had a working app manager, nice! :) Dec 02 19:30:33 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/jstop.git;a=blob;f=app/assistants/Top-assistant.js;h=88ffe106cc2a5a0c926345c2bc06cdb176e7a157;hb=HEAD Dec 02 19:30:39 egaudet_work: he released it yesterday Dec 02 19:30:52 =( Dec 02 19:31:16 cool, now all we need is a service manager to go with it Dec 02 19:31:27 lol Dec 02 19:31:42 and in the palmcast they were talking about memory/etc Dec 02 19:31:43 and i was like Dec 02 19:31:44 JSTOP! Dec 02 19:32:30 palmcast back to being about webos? Dec 02 19:32:50 the front of my pre is burning hot, wtf Dec 02 19:33:05 yeah Dec 02 19:33:15 i don't remember them talking about droid yesterday at all Dec 02 19:33:23 wow! Dec 02 19:33:27 though i could have tuned it out without realizing it Dec 02 19:33:49 azakus: you should create a thread for jstop on precentral Dec 02 19:34:15 in the homebrew forum, or webos-internals' sub-forum if you want to Dec 02 19:52:08 oilsworkn: they mentioned droid once I think Dec 02 19:52:16 I remember them saying the word Droid Dec 02 19:52:40 Something about how Droid's OS was open source and webOS isn't or something Dec 02 19:54:39 oilsworkn: preware doesn't like 1.3.5 Dec 02 19:58:26 preware suggestion: unapply all patches! Dec 02 19:58:42 or rather, unapply, update webos, reapply patches Dec 02 19:59:04 lol Dec 02 19:59:14 ~webos-update Dec 02 19:59:16 it has been said that webos-update is ATTENTION: For help with Patches not working after 1.3.1 update, PLEASE follow these instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions Dec 02 20:00:16 ah, didn't see that before Dec 02 20:01:24 1.3.5 is out?1 Dec 02 20:01:34 * Mousey chcesks Dec 02 20:01:36 dBsooner: perhaps it is better to change it with a in there so infobot doesnt add "it has been said that webos-update" Dec 02 20:01:39 no its not Dec 02 20:01:40 Mousey: no. early access Dec 02 20:01:46 ah Dec 02 20:01:49 * Mousey stops checking Dec 02 20:01:54 that's how infobot talks Dec 02 20:02:09 infobot: something is something Dec 02 20:02:11 ...but something is already something else... Dec 02 20:02:14 ~something Dec 02 20:02:15 >lart jbot Dec 02 20:02:19 lol Dec 02 20:02:20 lol Dec 02 20:02:28 infobot: somethingelse is somethingelse Dec 02 20:02:29 okay, gkatsev Dec 02 20:02:32 ~somethingelse Dec 02 20:02:33 well, somethingelse is somethingelse Dec 02 20:02:39 see "well," Dec 02 20:02:46 infobot adds a prefix Dec 02 20:02:47 infobot: no, somethingelse is somethingelse Dec 02 20:02:48 gkatsev: okay Dec 02 20:02:51 ~somethingelse Dec 02 20:02:53 somethingelse Dec 02 20:02:56 blah Dec 02 20:03:07 something something something darkside Dec 02 20:04:03 dBsooner: the is used so it doesnt add the "well," or "it has been said..." Dec 02 20:04:36 I do not know why, but for some reason I like wirc better on the pixi than on the pre. Dec 02 20:04:55 you get less distracted by the scrollback? Dec 02 20:05:12 infobot: webos-update is ATTENTION: For help with Patches not working after a webOS update, or for information on how to uppdate webOS when you have patches installed, please follow these instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions Dec 02 20:05:37 ...but webos-update is already something else... Dec 02 20:05:50 infobot: No, webos-update is ATTENTION: For help with Patches not working after a webOS update, or for information on how to uppdate webOS when you have patches installed, please follow these instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions Dec 02 20:05:51 okay, dBsooner Dec 02 20:05:57 possibly. I think it has to do with the screen being more square. Tall chat screens weird me out. Dec 02 20:06:00 ~webos-update Dec 02 20:06:01 ATTENTION: For help with Patches not working after a webOS update, or for information on how to uppdate webOS when you have patches installed, please follow these instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions Dec 02 20:06:05 ~botsnack Dec 02 20:06:05 dBsooner: thanks Dec 02 20:09:14 hmm, my pixi stays on 3g more than the pre Dec 02 20:10:07 what's the luna-send command to test if ipkgservice is runnign? Dec 02 20:12:20 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/running {} Dec 02 20:14:13 fail, neither the pixi or pre handle vcards correctly Dec 02 20:14:27 acydlord: actually Dec 02 20:14:54 acydlord: i hear vcards broke in 1.3.1 Dec 02 20:15:01 well thats sad Dec 02 20:15:23 acydlord: what even sadder was that vcards were not in 1.0.0 Dec 02 20:15:27 i was just gonna email myself all the vcards for contacts i want in the other phone Dec 02 20:15:32 PuffTheMagic, very true Dec 02 20:15:36 and the lack of obex vcard support Dec 02 20:15:45 even more sad is the lack of the obex stack Dec 02 20:15:58 i wonder if javascript on webos would handle this "canvas" stuff Dec 02 20:15:59 acydlord: just use palm desktop and the transfer assistant Dec 02 20:16:00 http://www.ajax.org/public/presentation/tae/presentation2.html#home Dec 02 20:16:17 acydlord: u can import vcards into the palm desktop then use the tranfer assisntant to get them to the pre Dec 02 20:16:40 puff, i'll just port them in my google contacts since they are on one of the accounts already Dec 02 20:16:53 ehhhhh Dec 02 20:16:56 Mousey: yes, webos has canvas Dec 02 20:16:59 google with mangle your vcards Dec 02 20:17:18 i wish more than anything the Pre had a jabber client. but only SLIGHTLY less, i wish the pre had a SyncML client, so i could sync my cal/tacts with eGroupware Dec 02 20:17:19 =( Dec 02 20:17:35 or caldav or something Dec 02 20:17:38 * Mousey whines Dec 02 20:17:46 Mousey: the contacts spec is open Dec 02 20:17:47 they arent in vcard at the moment, was gonna send them from the pre to pixi that way, all the contacts are in one of my google voice accounts correctly Dec 02 20:17:49 u can make a sync client Dec 02 20:18:00 acydlord: oh Dec 02 20:18:12 i'm a sysadmin! i do not code (very well at all) Dec 02 20:18:16 all i want is rsync in optware =x Dec 02 20:18:17 i just whine ^_^ Dec 02 20:18:43 Sometimes I have trouble sending contacts by bluetooth. Is the bluetooth profile...err...full featured? Dec 02 20:19:06 contacts can be sent via bluetooth but calendar events can't!? Dec 02 20:19:07 it only supports a2dp i believe Dec 02 20:19:10 * Mousey misses palmos Dec 02 20:19:24 would it change anything to install bluez? Dec 02 20:19:48 it would have to be compiled for the architechture Dec 02 20:19:52 hmmm. thanks. I see there is a page up on the wiki with bluez. What are the advantages? Dec 02 20:20:21 a more robust stack Dec 02 20:20:39 Mousey: you could install bluez, but you'd have to disable the default stack, which would basically mean losing bluetooth in webos, until you make webos understand how to talk to bluez Dec 02 20:20:52 acydlord: bluez is available in ipkg-opt (optware?) Dec 02 20:21:04 hmm Dec 02 20:21:26 is it? Dec 02 20:21:29 so what you're saying is, there's a chance Dec 02 20:21:48 flood! Dec 02 20:21:52 # ipkg-opt list | grep bluez Dec 02 20:21:52 bluez-hcidump - 1.42-1 - Bluetooth packet analyzer. Dec 02 20:21:52 bluez-libs - 3.36-1 - Bluetooth libraries. Dec 02 20:21:52 bluez-utils - 3.36-3 - Bluetooth utilities. Dec 02 20:21:52 bluez2-libs - 2.25-1 - Bluetooth libraries. Dec 02 20:21:53 bluez2-utils - 2.25-6 - Bluetooth utilities. Dec 02 20:21:55 py-bluez - 0.9.2-1 - Python wrappers around bluez. Dec 02 20:21:57 Mousey: yeah, a full-stack replacement has been a good idea for a while, just rather non-trivial Dec 02 20:21:57 py25-bluez - 0.9.2-1 - Python wrappers around bluez. Dec 02 20:21:59 bluez was in optware Dec 02 20:22:34 yah, i miss me some DUN profiles Dec 02 20:23:07 not really sure why palm hasn't gone with bluez themselves, and instead reinvented the wheel Dec 02 20:23:22 i could care less about a2db and audio profiles, i want the file stacks Dec 02 20:23:26 (with their own proprietary stack) Dec 02 20:23:45 yah, that's weird to me.. why go so super linuxy, but fall flat in weird places? Dec 02 20:24:02 acydlord: then things will be a lot easier for you since you don't have to worry about being compatible :) Dec 02 20:24:23 ~apple Dec 02 20:24:25 apple is a "different" computer company :). They are currently known for the iMac, eMac, PowerMac, XServe, iPod, iBook, and Titanium Powerbook. Their computers use (motorola) PowerPC processors, of the G3 (750) and G4 (74XX) nature. the G4 processor has vector processing known as "altivec". Apple can be found at http://www.apple.com, or apple recently adopted the G5 (ibm) processor which kicks butt Dec 02 20:24:50 thats old Dec 02 20:24:53 heh Dec 02 20:24:57 ~do you realize how out of date that is, infobot? Dec 02 20:24:59 yes, I realize how out of date that is, infobot. Dec 02 20:25:12 ~smack infobot Dec 02 20:25:14 * infobot smacks infobot upside the head. Dec 02 20:25:20 ~lart himself Dec 02 20:25:21 * infobot whacks himself with a giant beaver's tail Dec 02 20:25:44 Did people end up finding the pixi wallpaper used on the box? Dec 02 20:26:56 chrisa: I take it it's not in the pixi's rootfs image then? Dec 02 20:27:15 It's not one of the shipped ones Dec 02 20:27:15 i didnt even look at the box lol Dec 02 20:27:29 I suspect the marketing team got it somewhere, but people keep asking for it Dec 02 20:27:46 lol Dec 02 20:27:56 is it good? Dec 02 20:27:58 got it / made it Dec 02 20:28:07 i'm still trying to get used to the power and volume keys being swapped on the pixi from the pre Dec 02 20:28:45 That screws me up sometimes, but mainly just the power button Dec 02 20:31:56 yeah, i keep reaching for the power button on the right Dec 02 20:34:03 whats the wallpaper size for the pixi? Dec 02 20:35:32 nevermind, found it Dec 02 20:36:34 destinal: according to a certain palm employee lurking here, the reason bluez was not used was that bluez was not mature/usable at the time when decisions were being made. it would be nice if palm were to utilize bluez though. that would probably give more access to additional profiles in short order. Dec 02 20:37:19 jauderho: yeah, that makes sense. decisions were being made 2+ years ago, so that makes sense Dec 02 20:38:12 and at this point, replacing it is probably low on their priority list Dec 02 20:38:40 chrisa, this image? http://www.everythingpre.com/forum/attachments/palm-pixi/2057d1259216976-pixi-wallpapers-320-x-400-pixi2.jpg Dec 02 20:38:45 but that doesn't mean that we can't do it :) Dec 02 20:38:54 sure. have at it =) Dec 02 20:38:55 Is that it? It loks kinda crappy like that Dec 02 20:39:17 bt makes my head hurt so i wont be taking a stab at it. Dec 02 20:39:18 looks the same, but a little more blurry on that link Dec 02 20:47:31 wow good news on the 1.3.5 app space fix Dec 02 20:47:43 shhhh! Dec 02 20:48:05 * punzada looks around sheepisly Dec 02 20:48:08 dBsooner precentral has a big article about it Dec 02 20:48:14 yeah Dec 02 20:48:16 hence my comment Dec 02 20:48:23 What's the point of NDA's then? Dec 02 20:48:36 gotta love anonymous sources Dec 02 20:48:51 still doesn't mean we should talk about it, right? Dec 02 20:48:56 correct Dec 02 20:49:16 I'm talking as a reader of precentral being very happy, nothing more nothing less. Dec 02 20:49:19 :) Dec 02 20:49:20 ahem... (fakes cough) Dec 02 20:49:32 See, we awoke the sleeping giant. Dec 02 20:49:35 technically if palm wanted to waste money, they could force precentral to remove the information and also make them reveal the source of the elak Dec 02 20:49:38 lol Dec 02 20:49:53 elak = leak Dec 02 20:50:01 I love the image they used too Dec 02 20:50:10 an anvil falling on that annoying msg everyone has seen Dec 02 20:50:12 it's perfect ;x Dec 02 20:50:22 * oil has never seen that message Dec 02 20:50:43 that's sad. Dec 02 20:50:48 is it? Dec 02 20:50:49 It makes me sad. Dec 02 20:51:14 this thing suck... it will move all of my apps to /media/internal? Dec 02 20:51:25 so precentral spilled the beans on 1.3.5 addressing app storage limit Dec 02 20:51:27 that's what the article says Dec 02 20:51:33 yup Dec 02 20:51:46 i wonder if it will address email as well, which can be a huge /var hog Dec 02 20:51:47 rather, someone under NDA that shouldn't have said anything said something Dec 02 20:52:00 idk if pc is at fault, the source is Dec 02 20:52:06 so why the heck i made my /var to 2gb Dec 02 20:52:07 :S Dec 02 20:52:18 en0x, shrink it back down ? Dec 02 20:52:19 en0x: haha! Dec 02 20:52:37 i dont want to doctor it again Dec 02 20:52:56 at least you get 6GB ? Dec 02 20:53:17 ya Dec 02 20:53:23 well, time to bloat out that linux filesystem then Dec 02 20:53:24 correct and pc has info that could id the source Dec 02 20:53:36 they might not Dec 02 20:53:44 all depends how the info was recieved Dec 02 20:53:53 wow, tons of demotivational posters are in 320x400, i think i just found an unlimited source of wallpapers for switcharoo Dec 02 20:53:54 punzada: bluez was fine 2 years ago Dec 02 20:54:15 They get the info through a form on the site, all of the information regarding the submission is recoverable from the server Dec 02 20:54:19 but all in all, i don't think a news story pointing out that this update thats coming out fixes one of the larger problems with current webos is a bad thing Dec 02 20:54:21 regardless I don't see Palm going NDA crazy over good press, bad press sure but not 'lets fix the major annoyance' Dec 02 20:54:27 nope, its good news Dec 02 20:54:33 i doubt palm would do something "NO! don't give people good news!" Dec 02 20:54:36 yeah why waste the money Dec 02 20:54:45 the problem becomes "GIVE ME 1.3.5 NOW!!" Dec 02 20:54:55 * punzada nods Dec 02 20:54:58 though, a sad side effect may be less info to developers Dec 02 20:55:02 a new build is pushed under NDA Dec 02 20:55:05 now since it's out of the bag, wish i could get a few more details to prep 'mvapp' recovery Dec 02 20:55:08 and the next day its new features are all over the web Dec 02 20:55:13 doesn't make you want to share Dec 02 20:55:36 oil, indeed Dec 02 20:55:57 and it would be sad Dec 02 20:57:58 makes a tear roll down my cheek just thinking about it :( Dec 02 20:58:23 :`( if you will Dec 02 20:58:35 srsly Dec 02 20:59:54 grump grump. there goes my afternoon. Dec 02 21:00:05 sorry chuqui :( Dec 02 21:00:16 damage control now ? Dec 02 21:00:43 not my call. but it doesn't help my calling to share more info sooner, that's for sure. Dec 02 21:01:05 there are always side effects to leaks. just ones the leakers don't always want to see. Dec 02 21:01:31 * oil makes thread in developer forum pointing out how leaks hurt everyone Dec 02 21:02:00 I will... but it's preaching to the choir. the ones who listen don't need me to lecture. Dec 02 21:02:27 oh, i was just saying I would do it, but coming from you has more weight Dec 02 21:02:35 I hate insulting the intelligence of the good ones to try to get through to the others with banal lectures... Dec 02 21:03:02 yeah, and unfortunately its impossible to know when you hand out access who understands and who doesnt Dec 02 21:03:08 nah. let me. I need to talk to some folks here first to see what we want to say. Dec 02 21:04:15 oil: you might be surprised. there are various ways to manage stuff like this. I'd rather not, because it's a royal pain, but over time, you can catch pretty much anyone who leaks. just depends on how badly you want them. Dec 02 21:04:36 right Dec 02 21:04:47 yeah, plenty of images in webos for stenography Dec 02 21:06:02 it would be interesting to have screenshots embed the nduid using steganography Dec 02 21:06:47 here's a simple one folks never catch: over a few releases, you can simply rewrite the "interesting" parts of docs that you know are going to get leaked, so the wording is slightly changed in, say, four different copies. Dec 02 21:07:42 then seed so that over 3-4 releases, every developer is given different combinations of the modified seeds. It's amazing how quickly you can track down a habitual leaker down to a half dozen candidates. Dec 02 21:08:02 indeed Dec 02 21:08:08 hey, that was in a tom clancy novel Dec 02 21:08:17 the canary in the docs. Dec 02 21:08:27 simpsons did it Dec 02 21:08:48 updated JSTop's wiki page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:JsTop Dec 02 21:09:04 when i worked at logitech i had a constant ethical battle over leaking or not leaking docs since i always got info on new products way in advance Dec 02 21:09:27 in the long run not leaking things bennefitted me as I am now a beta tester for them though i no longer work there :) Dec 02 21:09:32 ooo jstop looks interesting. Dec 02 21:12:20 azakus: you may want to put notes that orange=com.palm and explain nodes and handles Dec 02 21:15:39 oil: why would he have to explain all that shit Dec 02 21:15:50 oil: AM has no reason to use that app Dec 02 21:15:51 so people dont ask Dec 02 21:16:12 who cares if they ask, they have no business/reason to use it Dec 02 21:16:37 guess u have a point there lol Dec 02 21:16:41 those who need to ask probably dont need jstop anyway Dec 02 21:16:49 true Dec 02 21:17:27 PuffTheMagic: one would almost suspect you don't really like AM :p Dec 02 21:18:24 azakus: are you the one behind JSTop? Dec 02 21:19:00 freakout: its not me not liking AM, it about people going out of their way to AM'ize apps that arent intended for AMs int he first place **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 03 04:00:14 2009 Dec 03 04:00:25 workss :) Dec 03 04:01:06 Decimate: thanks. I'll release it then. Dec 03 04:01:20 rwhitby: but why cant i add a new feed in preware :/ its all greyed out Dec 03 04:01:34 That should start some PreCentral threads: "Oooh - Package Manager Service updated for 1.3.5!! OMG!!!" Dec 03 04:02:00 Decimate: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/1 Dec 03 04:05:54 * rwhitby is glad to see azakus making jstop releases with no assistance needed Dec 03 04:07:26 /me hates his irc client shows /me lines in the same color as the lines when people join. Dec 03 04:09:01 Decimate: change it? Dec 03 04:09:14 idk how :/ Dec 03 04:09:49 prefs? Dec 03 04:09:58 jstop is the knees of the bee, as they say Dec 03 04:10:29 azakus: though, atm, its only showing me one item. pid 9999 -1 nodes and 0 handles... Dec 03 04:16:58 Decimate: I exclude all joins and parts from my IRC client anyway Dec 03 04:24:22 why are there two webos channels Dec 03 04:24:27 should be one. Dec 03 04:24:51 mp4 playback on the pre is sometimes choppy. why is that ? Dec 03 04:30:26 rasstar: what channels? Dec 03 04:30:37 there is webos and webos internals Dec 03 04:31:02 both have a lot in the channel. Dec 03 04:31:05 ah, thats because webos is about the SDK and api and stuff while webos-internals is about the inner workings and stuff that isnt in the api. Dec 03 04:31:32 you can have a lot of talk of webos here, but stuff from this channel doesnt really belong in #webos Dec 03 04:33:30 azakus: hm... restart luna and now it displays fine Dec 03 04:39:16 just wondering. I is it ok to post a package install error related question here or is there a more appropriate channel. Dec 03 04:40:20 windzilla: preware? Dec 03 04:41:06 yea it was an install via preware of the 3000 google autoreplace words patch. Dec 03 04:41:30 yeah, since is the place. you probably want to webos.pastebin.com the error. Dec 03 04:43:04 thanks i'll do that Dec 03 04:53:35 hmm Dec 03 04:53:55 can anyone give me a commandline script to add the testing feed to the list of feeds preware loads. Dec 03 04:55:14 Hey all, I recently updated one of my themes on PreCentral's feed. The .zip installs w/o a problem via WOSQI however, gives an error at line 1004 via Preware. Can anyone help trouble shoot it with me (Mizzou: Black n' Gold theme)? Dec 03 04:56:45 Anyoneknow the path to the catalog in the fs Dec 03 05:01:53 The exact error from the theme is: var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/net.precentral.themes.mizzou---black-n-gold.postinst: line 1004syntax error: "(" unexpected...... however I have no idea on how to fix it. Dec 03 05:09:09 where is terminal in preware?? Dec 03 05:10:55 search for it Dec 03 05:11:06 go to "list of everything" and type "terminal" Dec 03 05:11:41 o its a app sorry was in other Dec 03 05:23:02 Any Preware gurus around to help trouble shoot? Dec 03 05:26:30 gkatsev: hmm, odd Dec 03 05:31:27 usually there are, but neither oil nor rwhitby seem to be monitoring Dec 03 05:31:35 but if they're on, that will bring them.. Dec 03 05:32:05 Thx rick. Dec 03 05:34:06 what's the problem? Dec 03 05:34:54 I updated a theme via PreCentral's feed... which installs cleanly via WOSQI... however an error occurs via preware. Dec 03 05:36:00 http://webos.pastebin.com/d2fd438c1 Dec 03 05:41:09 rwhitby: any ideas? Dec 03 05:43:30 MLJ: yep, they have () in the filenames for the images Dec 03 05:43:36 not very good for a linux machine. Dec 03 05:44:19 I see... so updating my theme's with images without () will fix the issue? Dec 03 05:44:28 MLJ: ask the author to only use valid characters for chat-balloon-right(dark1)-1.png Dec 03 05:44:41 oh, you're the author :-) Dec 03 05:44:53 yep, remove the ()'s and it should work. Dec 03 05:45:20 I will ask him very politely ;) Thanks for the quick feedback Dec 03 05:45:56 rwhitby: what about my question.. in pm.. Dec 03 06:27:55 dBsooner: ping Dec 03 06:28:01 ? Dec 03 06:28:19 heya.. do you know if anyone's had a crack at a temp workaround for the annoying Facebook timezone issue? Dec 03 06:28:38 I do not believe so. Dec 03 06:28:55 I reckon I might give it a go. Dec 03 06:29:31 Get'r done Dec 03 06:29:40 heh Dec 03 06:29:43 do you have a TS? Dec 03 06:31:54 I just got one and I've discovered nightstand mode... more importantly, that it seems to bloody beep every time a new mail comes in... Dec 03 06:32:14 there's a patch for that ... Dec 03 06:32:33 I thought I saw something, and am just loading Preware to check :) Dec 03 06:34:40 Just haven't found it thus far Dec 03 06:35:23 I think its the one by a2ny Dec 03 06:37:36 precorder installs: http://bit.ly/info/5DaEcy Dec 03 07:18:20 is there any patch that allows you to remove contacts or music by swiping Dec 03 08:08:51 hey im trying to use itunes remote and for some reason my router is blocking the connection. I have a dlink DIR-615 and if anyone here can help that would be great. thanks Dec 03 08:13:06 ok.. where are my shell script/sed guru's! Dec 03 08:24:26 that was like 45 minutes ago... Dec 03 08:29:19 anyone know if dalvik vm can run on webos? Dec 03 08:38:10 ive never heard of a dalvik vm Dec 03 08:39:12 it's a specialized java vm for embedded devices Dec 03 08:39:44 it's open source and the one shipped with the droid Dec 03 08:41:01 I figured since it's open source and both webos and android run on linux, someone might've made a dalvik ipkg Dec 03 09:11:27 i thought making custom rpms was easy till I had to start adding extra files and changing paths. heh Dec 03 09:17:19 rpms suck Dec 03 09:20:39 dBsooner: I added an extra check to the postinst and prerm files Dec 03 09:21:08 OK.. looking now Dec 03 09:22:35 dBsooner: are you going to add to the VERSIONS lines for the ported patches? Dec 03 09:23:41 yep Dec 03 09:23:45 already done Dec 03 09:23:52 all 112 Dec 03 09:23:57 I am building locally Dec 03 09:24:17 Go Go Gadget sed and awk Dec 03 09:24:21 made my life easy Dec 03 09:24:30 oh and my spreadsheet of all the packages Dec 03 09:24:31 ok, let me know when you push and I'll drop the 1.1.3 feed and build the 1.3.5 feed instead Dec 03 09:24:40 okie dokie Dec 03 09:25:27 I think I've got optware in preware to the point where it can replace the manual optware bootstrap script Dec 03 09:25:32 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2075984#post2075984 Dec 03 09:26:43 hmagoo: fully agree. get all the relevant maintainers together and get some consensus. Dec 03 09:29:24 rwhitby: whats the fastest way to just "make" mthe autopatch dir? Dec 03 09:29:50 I am tired of it going through all the other packages and giving me errors.. I have to fix each one for it to finally make it to the autopatch dir Dec 03 09:29:52 dBsooner: make SUBDIRS=autopatch ... Dec 03 09:30:01 ahh Dec 03 09:31:20 is curl slow, or codesourcery.com? Dec 03 09:31:54 curl is faster than your browser Dec 03 09:33:15 well this download from codesourcery.com is only going 117KB/s Dec 03 09:33:29 and I have a 25Mbit dl connection Dec 03 09:33:39 and its only going about 1Mbit Dec 03 09:34:56 hmm, does precorder not work on the pixi? Dec 03 09:36:57 acydlord, idk but try more than one recoring Dec 03 09:37:45 acydlord: not sure if I've seen a success report on the pixi yet - you can help zsoc debug why probably. Dec 03 09:38:22 i tried three with no luck, rwhitby you know what flags to run it with from terminal? Dec 03 09:38:41 flags? Dec 03 09:39:42 try the american flag Dec 03 10:28:02 i'll tackle it tomorrow if I have time, must sleep now Dec 03 15:25:23 Poll: Tweed vs Twee? Dec 03 15:32:45 Twee Dec 03 15:38:55 i like tweed Dec 03 15:39:56 thumbs up Tweed here to Dec 03 15:40:26 but I admit I only "post" via it, I don't read (it pushes into my facebook,) so I read it on that Dec 03 15:41:07 * DarkSpecter likes tweety O.o Dec 03 15:41:39 i want to test the new one Dec 03 15:41:42 bad kitty Dec 03 15:41:43 :D Dec 03 15:43:41 "I tawt I taw a putty tat!" Dec 03 15:49:08 yeah, I have heard about Bad Kitty too Dec 03 15:49:11 but haven't tried it. Dec 03 15:50:36 I wish nanplayer would come already :( Dec 03 15:50:55 i second that ird Dec 03 15:53:35 hello i need help with my pre Dec 03 15:53:42 would anyone be able to help me Dec 03 15:53:54 in the uk Dec 03 15:54:14 whats the problemo? Dec 03 15:54:52 i wanted to install preware on there but im on version 1..3.1 Dec 03 15:55:19 would i be able to install homebrew on there? instead on preware Dec 03 15:55:22 preware works on 1.3.1 Dec 03 15:55:47 okay with the webdocos it says sprint and bell or emulator what one do i click on Dec 03 15:56:11 why do u need webos doctor for? Dec 03 15:56:25 use webos quick install to install preware Dec 03 15:56:34 it says i need it to run the webos quick install Dec 03 15:57:11 im not sure am i using a old web os quick install is there a link tu a upgraded version? Dec 03 16:05:04 Nickz: get.preware.org Dec 03 16:05:37 u have to only put your phone in dev mode afaik before installing it Dec 03 16:07:28 its askin me for web doc os Dec 03 16:07:43 and to chose from sprint bell or emulator Dec 03 16:08:06 i chose emulator is that ok? Dec 03 16:09:26 i never installed preware this way so I dont know Dec 03 16:09:32 just wait maybe somebody elese will Dec 03 16:09:47 hw did u install it Dec 03 16:10:33 i put my pre in dev mode then i used novaterm to connect to it and installed it from shell Dec 03 16:17:27 can i install Dec 03 16:17:31 homebrew on my pre? Dec 03 16:45:37 yeah, i'll be covering that in next version of mvapp Dec 03 16:46:04 it will have a restore option _after_ the update as well Dec 03 16:51:11 Nickz: You don't need to run WebOS Doctor for WebOS quick install, just have it in the same folder. Dec 03 16:51:29 yeh i think i have sorted it out now Dec 03 16:51:39 wqhere can i download preware apps from? Dec 03 16:52:09 http://get.preware.org Dec 03 16:55:01 Any way to create a Palm Profile with only 3G access on a Pre? Dec 03 16:55:38 offroad99: what do you mean? Dec 03 16:55:56 I have a Pre with no cellular service Dec 03 16:56:03 but it has wifi Dec 03 16:56:03 first use will only happen over the WAN, not wifi Dec 03 16:56:15 You can use meta doctor.. Dec 03 16:56:20 when I try to creat a Palm Profile, I always get a "Profile Creation Failed" Dec 03 16:56:49 which prevents me from using the app store along with other services Dec 03 16:57:06 I yes, meta doctor was awesome, it got me passed activation Dec 03 16:57:44 I don't see a workaround to what happens if first use fails to create a palm profile Dec 03 16:58:41 offroad99: metadocts ir only way Dec 03 16:58:53 you can't run first use Dec 03 16:59:12 you can only run first use after you webosdoctor with a meta-doctored webosdoctor Dec 03 16:59:27 say that 5 times fast. Dec 03 16:59:37 that way you can skip first use on first boot and enable WiFi so you can run First use. Dec 03 16:59:51 yeah.. ird.. I tried.. but it's really what it is. Dec 03 16:59:52 ;) Dec 03 17:00:07 right, I skipped first use Dec 03 17:00:09 did all that Dec 03 17:00:18 then I run first use manually Dec 03 17:00:19 so what's the problem? Dec 03 17:00:32 the problem is I can't create a palm profile Dec 03 17:00:40 I can use the Pre fine Dec 03 17:00:45 except for the Palm Profile Dec 03 17:00:45 first use should work just fine if you run first use with WiFi enabled Dec 03 17:00:58 Just donm't use the Palm Profile. ;) Dec 03 17:02:05 is there anyone who's done this successfully (with no data plan)? Dec 03 17:02:24 meaning, creating a palm profile Dec 03 17:02:24 offroad99: several people have including rwhitby who made metadoctor Dec 03 17:02:51 again, I love metadoctor, it does exactly what I needed to make the device useful Dec 03 17:03:08 but I need someone to create a palm profile for me Dec 03 17:03:16 offroad99: you shouldn't need to, no Dec 03 17:03:22 offroad99: you can create it yourself Dec 03 17:03:43 Dumb question.. Dec 03 17:03:49 Is your wifi turned on? Dec 03 17:03:55 okay, I'm on o/s versions 1.3.1 using the latest metadoctor mods Dec 03 17:03:59 I can web browse Dec 03 17:04:04 use chat Dec 03 17:04:06 google maps Dec 03 17:04:30 offroad99: have the sdk and emulator? maybe you could run firstuse there to create your profile Dec 03 17:04:45 oooh, does that work? Dec 03 17:04:56 not sure why creating it would work any differently from logging in with it later, but yeah, firstuse works on emulator as well Dec 03 17:04:57 I can try that Dec 03 17:05:00 I do have it installed Dec 03 17:05:19 I just heard Palm may be doing some checking on the back end Dec 03 17:05:30 to ensure you have a provider account Dec 03 17:05:33 I have run metadoctor and successfully activated over Wifi. Dec 03 17:05:36 no cellular Dec 03 17:05:40 I'm going to launch the mulator right now Dec 03 17:06:36 btw.. if it can't "Create" one.. Dec 03 17:06:47 it PROBABLY won't be able to "sign into" one either. Dec 03 17:07:09 dBsooner-work: right, that's what I was thinking, but it may be worth a shot Dec 03 17:07:10 because not being able to create one usually means it can't communicate with palm Dec 03 17:07:26 does anyone have a test only one I can try to login to? Dec 03 17:07:34 that would prove it Dec 03 17:07:38 offroad99: have you tried just signing into a random email and pw? Dec 03 17:07:49 to see if it says, "No palm profile exists for that email." Dec 03 17:07:55 or "invalid password"? Dec 03 17:07:58 no, but I will Dec 03 17:08:20 dBsooner-work: ah, so you can tell whether someone has a palm profile by their email address? interesting issue.. :) Dec 03 17:08:28 "We couldn't find a profile associated with that email address." Dec 03 17:08:43 is there a full list of preware apps somewhere ? Dec 03 17:08:56 destinal: yep.. its a security flaw I believe. Dec 03 17:09:13 jerms: http://ipkg.preware.org/ Dec 03 17:09:48 thank you sir Dec 03 17:09:53 is there a msn patch Dec 03 17:09:56 for preware? Dec 03 17:10:01 ? Dec 03 17:10:07 to get msn chat? Dec 03 17:10:14 yh Dec 03 17:10:30 i think that is a binary patch and not available via Preware... I can't recall though. Dec 03 17:10:37 owww Dec 03 17:10:48 binary patches != safe IMO Dec 03 17:11:35 dBsooner-work: depends on what you mean by safe Dec 03 17:12:22 wat u mean? Dec 03 17:12:39 destinal: well as it stands, there is no way for me to verify a binary patch is safe/secure Dec 03 17:12:40 can i install it on my palm pre or not Dec 03 17:12:50 i can't view the source code of it Dec 03 17:13:23 I have to take the author's word that the chunk they are patching in is exactly what they say it is Dec 03 17:13:30 and not some malacious code. Dec 03 17:14:20 Until there is a way to sign the packages to qualify them, I won't install a binary patch. I don't just "trust" you. Dec 03 17:14:40 Nickz: Search precentral for "MSN Messenger patch" Dec 03 17:16:54 yeh i did im gettin this Dec 03 17:16:55 eroor Dec 03 17:17:00 error when tryin tu install it Dec 03 17:17:43 cannot find package Dec 03 17:18:04 destinal: okay, thank you for the suggestion Dec 03 17:18:14 I was able to create one via the emulator Dec 03 17:18:22 so the problem is my phone then? Dec 03 17:18:40 offroad99: can you try running first use on the phone and signing into the one you created on the emulator? Dec 03 17:18:43 how do I troubleshoot the phone not communicating with palm? Dec 03 17:19:00 it had the same error Dec 03 17:19:24 destinal:"We couldn't find a profile ..." Dec 03 17:19:39 but I was able to go back and login using it in the emulator Dec 03 17:20:52 is it possible something metadoctor did may have broken first use? Dec 03 17:21:27 offroad99: rwhitby or others who have worked on bypass stuff may be able to help you troubleshoot. I don't really know where to start Dec 03 17:22:22 is this the right channel though? or is there a different platform I should be using to find an answer? Dec 03 17:27:22 offroad99: this is the rate place.. but you'll probably want to talk to rwhitby. Dec 03 17:27:44 he is in Adelaide, AU, so it's.. umm.. 4am there? Dec 03 17:32:18 maybe he'll show up in a few hours? Dec 03 17:32:40 I'm excited about my pre and this forum Dec 03 17:33:01 great resources on webos-internals Dec 03 17:36:04 can someone help me install the msn live app Dec 03 17:36:12 or atleast give me a link to it as i cant find it Dec 03 17:37:34 can an usa palm pre be used with a foreigner sim? Dec 03 17:37:40 yawn Dec 03 17:39:03 US Pres don't have SIMs Dec 03 17:39:11 they are not GSM Dec 03 17:39:29 oops Dec 03 17:39:32 ok, thanks ;) Dec 03 17:39:43 because Sprint is a CDMA carrier Dec 03 17:39:53 and they're the only authorized Pre carrier Dec 03 17:40:20 ok Dec 03 17:40:27 heyy internals, anyone here have google voice and is willing to give an invite? i want to try out the new app :) Dec 03 17:40:41 that's not how google voice works Dec 03 17:40:45 you just request an account Dec 03 17:40:55 Wave on the other hand, requires an invite Dec 03 17:41:06 voice requires an invite too Dec 03 17:42:11 how do i sort this msn out Dec 03 17:44:21 Nickz: ask less vague questions and maybe you'll get an answer. Dec 03 17:45:36 Another difference between voice and wave is that voice is actually useful Dec 03 17:45:58 lol, well the first difference was incorrect. Dec 03 17:46:38 offroad fail. anyone actually have a gVoice account? Dec 03 17:51:49 https://services.google.com/fb/forms/googlevoiceinvite/ Dec 03 17:52:08 voice.google.com Dec 03 17:52:39 on the bottom of that screen "Request an invite" Dec 03 17:52:44 I got my invite in a day or 2 after my request Dec 03 17:53:34 destinal/dbsooner-work:I got an email confirming my palm profile account Dec 03 17:53:58 but it doesn't let me login with my uname/pword Dec 03 17:54:01 so that just means you got it setup via the emulator Dec 03 17:54:34 then I go here https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/changepassword and it says my email address doesn't work Dec 03 17:54:36 doesn't exist Dec 03 17:54:49 weird Dec 03 17:57:10 offroad99: http://yfrog.com/j3screenshotywyp Dec 03 18:00:55 now if only my phone wasn't dead :P Dec 03 18:02:51 offroad99: do you have uncommon characters in your email address or something? Dec 03 18:03:11 nope, just palm@domain.com Dec 03 18:03:19 .com Dec 03 18:03:32 heh, maybe they have a bug when dealing with palm@ Dec 03 18:04:39 Endersama: okay, so I have invites and didn't know it Dec 03 18:04:47 but I did invite myself to it using the method I described Dec 03 18:04:55 I'm happy to invite anyone who wants one Dec 03 18:04:57 I have 3 of them Dec 03 18:05:10 offroad99, ird invited me 10 minutes ago Dec 03 18:05:22 offroad99, but thanks for the offer ^_^ Dec 03 18:07:58 I had to get in that way. Dec 03 18:08:05 When I joined nobody had invites, I believe. Dec 03 18:08:34 I need to start using GV Dec 03 18:08:53 i just don't like how text messages show up Dec 03 18:09:11 now i just have to find out how to get bt tethering back (not seeing it in git.webos) and ill be ecstatic Dec 03 18:09:20 offroad is it palm@.com? Dec 03 18:09:54 disregard Dec 03 18:09:56 right, but you replace the stuff in the <> with my last name Dec 03 18:11:07 is someone out there willing to create an account with the emulator Dec 03 18:11:23 and see if it actually works? Dec 03 18:14:16 I wonder if the developer accounts that get created through the emulator aren't "real" accounts Dec 03 18:25:31 no takers? Dec 03 18:28:47 ok, now JsTop will use a subscription to the lunavm service Dec 03 18:29:05 reduce the apps' memory usage and # of open service handles Dec 03 18:29:09 pushing in a few minutes Dec 03 18:33:02 offroad99: I think they're real Dec 03 18:34:46 if they weren't real, I don't think you would have gotten the confirmation email. Dec 03 18:35:18 done Dec 03 18:35:26 jstop v0.0.4 is pushed Dec 03 18:37:22 oh! oh! Dec 03 18:37:24 i have a question! Dec 03 18:37:39 why cannot i open more cards after ~36mb memory used? Dec 03 18:37:45 is it super easy to run a command-line script from inside an app? Dec 03 18:37:55 and THANK YOU for such AWESOME JS garbage collection option! Dec 03 18:38:13 * Mousey huggles azakus Dec 03 18:39:03 FreeTim3, no Dec 03 18:39:13 that would be a big security hole if it were Dec 03 18:39:25 s/big/AWESOME/ Dec 03 18:39:41 s/security hole/feature/ Dec 03 18:39:56 gasp! egaudet_work IS ALIVE! Dec 03 18:40:31 Well ok. I go home sad now. :( Dec 03 18:40:50 what did you need to do FreeTim3? Dec 03 18:41:10 i think he is trying to query a row from the palm db3 and display the contents Dec 03 18:41:12 wasn't any big urgency. I wanted to run a command line script without having to shell into it each time is all Dec 03 18:41:30 anyways I'm not into ruining existing security, so never mind... :) Dec 03 18:44:13 destinal: why doesn't the password recovery site acknowledge my email address then? Dec 03 18:44:42 did you ever "confirm" your profile? Dec 03 18:45:36 dbsooner: yes, it took me to a thank you/tools an dhelp site Dec 03 18:46:01 so can you login at profile.palm.com? Dec 03 18:47:11 dbsooner: what's the actual URL? Dec 03 18:47:29 I can't login here: http://www.palm.com/palmprofile Dec 03 18:47:39 but I can log in with the emulator Dec 03 18:48:00 interesting Dec 03 18:48:23 FreeTim3: it would be cool to set up a service to run defined scripts and then let you trigger them from an app. Dec 03 18:48:51 don't we do something like that in PreWare? we prompt the user 1st though Dec 03 18:50:09 yeah Dec 03 18:52:51 so they probably have two databases - one for developers and one for real users Dec 03 18:55:02 can dbus be used to trigger running a script? Dec 03 18:57:55 Mousey: there are no services listening on the bus out of the box that will do such a thing afaik Dec 03 18:58:02 security and all Dec 03 18:58:23 oh Dec 03 18:58:35 termnial-dbus service! ^_^ Dec 03 18:58:45 * Mousey just stfu's Dec 03 18:59:06 what did i just miss Dec 03 18:59:12 oh Dec 03 18:59:16 PuffTheMagic: not much Dec 03 19:02:50 Mousey: some folks put together a command line service as one of the first ones out there (before we made a terminal app) -- it was a pretty obvious security hole :) Dec 03 19:03:05 i remember that Dec 03 19:03:18 man people went high and to the right Dec 03 19:13:47 Mousy what we did was go to the only thing we knew how to do. Dec 03 19:14:00 We did not know how to do a terminal. THat took a lot of research by a lot of people. Dec 03 19:14:31 We -could- do a command line interpretor, so we did. cphelps and I had it in 48 hours after we started. and it was SUPER USEFUL because it let us experiement Dec 03 19:14:37 but it was a massive security hole. Dec 03 19:14:54 for all that, I still have it on my phone. Dec 03 19:19:48 Mousey: np :) Dec 03 19:20:23 * Mousey updates feeds over and over fanaticaly, waiting for upgrade to show up Dec 03 19:20:43 hmm, maybe i should write a script that mails me Dec 03 19:22:04 anyone know what set_robust_list(0xb7cff710, 0xc) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) means? Dec 03 19:22:21 what is it a part of that i'm missing, that's the question Dec 03 19:26:42 where is the option inside of pre to manually enable bluetooth tether (does this exist te same way usb tethering does) Dec 03 19:30:29 Endersama in general,if you have usb tethering enabled, bluetooth just automatically is, simply connect to the pre as a pan. Dec 03 19:31:31 rick_work: thanks, im not seeing freetether floating around where i was told to look (in git.web), am i looking in the wrong place? Dec 03 19:49:14 How could I find the path to an app's icon? Dec 03 19:50:29 go to the apps directory Dec 03 19:50:33 yeah Dec 03 19:50:37 I was looking for it.. Dec 03 19:51:00 can I do that with webos quick install? Dec 03 19:51:17 If you know the exact path to the icon, yes. Dec 03 19:51:48 crap, that's what I need to find Dec 03 20:00:12 * oil_pre looks at preware... Dec 03 20:00:54 * oil_pre looks at dBsooner-work disapprovingly Dec 03 20:01:23 heh Dec 03 20:01:41 usually /var/usr/palm/applications/appid Dec 03 20:01:43 oil_pre: as you could see by rwhitby tweet, I was a LITTLE busy yesterday/last night. Dec 03 20:01:49 usually /var/usr/palm/applications/ Dec 03 20:01:53 tonight, I PROMISE Dec 03 20:02:08 lol Dec 03 20:02:18 I don't look at twitter... Dec 03 20:02:30 oh.. hmm Dec 03 20:02:59 So does anyone have a problem with a new patch category, something like "invalid" or "not available" or "not ported" Dec 03 20:03:25 was busy doing "stuff" to the preware-bootstrap.sh AND APT AND the patches in general.... for an undisclosed reason. Dec 03 20:05:57 what did you do to APT? Dec 03 20:06:07 look at the git log Dec 03 20:06:10 or git web Dec 03 20:06:22 i can't talk about it :D Dec 03 20:06:57 ? Dec 03 20:07:35 so you didn't touch APT then Dec 03 20:07:54 brb Dec 03 20:09:36 ol Dec 03 20:09:41 lol* Dec 03 20:09:57 why can't you talk about it? Dec 03 20:10:04 I did touch APT Dec 03 20:10:17 oil_pre: omg are you actually using wirc? Dec 03 20:10:21 and it has to do with making it compliant with a new update that is being planned. Dec 03 20:10:21 its probably 0.0.3 though Dec 03 20:10:24 isn't this #webos-internals? Dec 03 20:10:35 lol, it is Dec 03 20:10:53 I need to update it xD Dec 03 20:12:02 ok, i'm confused Dec 03 20:12:14 jstop says 22MB used, but sorry too many cards open? Dec 03 20:12:38 I'm just looking at javascript heap size Dec 03 20:12:38 time to COLLECT THE GARBAGE Dec 03 20:12:47 problem solved! ^_^ Dec 03 20:12:48 lol Dec 03 20:12:52 hmm Dec 03 20:13:07 maybe I should break that out as a background service Dec 03 20:13:16 and have it run gc every X seconds Dec 03 20:13:29 a little jstop meter icon in the systray? Dec 03 20:13:30 epic Dec 03 20:13:43 that would be useful... Dec 03 20:14:15 would still be awesome to get a /proc/meminfo graph too, for comparison Dec 03 20:16:20 yay jstop update! Dec 03 20:16:24 * Mousey updates Dec 03 20:16:43 jstop no longer eats more memory and handles as it runs Dec 03 20:16:46 simple fix Dec 03 20:17:08 noticed that, handles dramatically reduced on jstop process when i garbage collected before Dec 03 20:17:25 still wish i knew how to decipher nodes and handles Dec 03 20:18:52 nodes = number of elements on page (DOM nodes), handles = number of service requests that the application is requesting Dec 03 20:28:47 ah Dec 03 20:29:40 * Mousey sorts by nodes Dec 03 20:29:53 Whats up mousey? Dec 03 20:30:06 * Mousey watches as Launcher and Messaging duke it out Dec 03 20:30:23 JMyaDaGod: mornin.. hows the gnuboy thing going? Dec 03 20:31:11 figured most of it out figured out how to mount and un mount and pretty much there gott figure where to put rom at about to give a crack at it now just got done my last class for the day Dec 03 20:34:56 good luck, keep it up, post results! Dec 03 20:34:57 ^_^ Dec 03 20:47:06 oil: I got shunned by rwhitby for talking about the "undisclosed" thing in here.. So I cannot talk. Dec 03 20:47:28 lol Dec 03 20:50:09 lol Dec 03 20:53:12 sh: syntax error near unexpected token ...any ides what that is? Dec 03 20:53:18 ooh, I'm close to whole phone cpu usage for JsTop Dec 03 21:11:51 gerr, anyone hava good way to use a shell script for dbus? Dec 03 21:12:06 have a novel way to get whole device cpu usage from top Dec 03 21:12:31 azakus, from a mojo app? Dec 03 21:12:42 you'll need a service Dec 03 21:12:49 egaudet_work: to Dec 03 21:12:51 yo Dec 03 21:13:01 egaudet_work: i just make the "fake" liblunaservice.so Dec 03 21:13:04 it works so nice :D Dec 03 21:13:40 oh yea you got it? Nice Dec 03 21:13:50 egaudet_work: no, I'm making a service Dec 03 21:14:02 okay, so say there's this patch, and I edited the .patch file, and now I want to patch my pre (testing on emulator first) with this edited .patch file, there any easy way to do this? Dec 03 21:14:03 I'd rather not have to do it in java or c though Dec 03 21:14:20 that's the only way Dec 03 21:15:08 morning Dec 03 21:15:25 egaudet_work: it can't be Dec 03 21:15:31 Preware has the .patch files so nicely packaged and whatnot and they just isntall so easily, is there an easy way to make my .patch file do that for my own pre? or is there just some way i can rig it just so i can patch my pre even if its not nice and easy? Dec 03 21:15:34 as long as I can query dbus from a shell script :0 Dec 03 21:16:09 azakus, I'm not following Dec 03 21:16:31 do you want an app to access a script? Dec 03 21:16:36 no Dec 03 21:16:45 I want to write a system-service that IS a script Dec 03 21:17:14 JS and C services are all we have, either can run a script Dec 03 21:17:22 err Java not JS Dec 03 21:17:23 sorry Dec 03 21:17:51 i was asking if anyone had been working on an implementation of a service using dbus-monitor Dec 03 21:18:08 all the services just use dbus Dec 03 21:18:08 azakus: wtf Dec 03 21:18:23 at least, as far as I can tell Dec 03 21:18:32 PuffTheMagic: ? Dec 03 21:18:35 nvm whatever i said, i quilt it Dec 03 21:18:58 I want to write a system-service that IS a script Dec 03 21:19:01 ^^^ that makes no sense Dec 03 21:19:05 why not? Dec 03 21:19:36 DBUS Exec=/usr/local/bin/service.sh Dec 03 21:19:42 LOL Dec 03 21:19:57 then service.sh somehow watches dbus in the right way Dec 03 21:20:02 LOL Dec 03 21:20:54 azakus: do you even know what those dbus .service files do? Dec 03 21:21:25 don't they just setup dbus client to listen on the bus? Dec 03 21:21:30 PreMan: regarding packaging your own patch - just submit it to dBsooner-work :-) Dec 03 21:21:40 azakus: nope Dec 03 21:21:42 not really Dec 03 21:21:49 what do they actually do then? Dec 03 21:22:12 they start a service that is not running Dec 03 21:22:17 yes Dec 03 21:22:37 but u still cant make a service out of a bash script Dec 03 21:22:51 azakus: I suspect you could do a service as a script - you'd just need to helper binaries to connect/decode/encode the right stuff for Luna messaging. Dec 03 21:22:57 yes Dec 03 21:23:09 I was wondering if anyone had done any of that Dec 03 21:23:14 I guess not :( Dec 03 21:23:15 why would they Dec 03 21:23:17 not yet Dec 03 21:23:29 PuffTheMagic: because you can? Dec 03 21:23:35 I mean, all I want to do is pipe stuff from top Dec 03 21:23:38 once Dec 03 21:24:13 azakus: i already told you i have a C service that can do that Dec 03 21:24:35 where is that? Dec 03 21:24:51 * azakus had forgotten this Dec 03 21:25:02 rwhitby: such "help binaries" would be more complex than writing a normal C service Dec 03 21:25:02 * rwhitby has a credo that if it's not in a public repo, then it doesn't exist. Dec 03 21:25:12 ok w/e, it dont exist Dec 03 21:25:37 PuffTheMagic: yep, they would. Dec 03 21:26:06 PuffTheMagic: im getting this error trying to get Gnuboy emulator running any ideas?..........sh: syntax error near unexpected token Dec 03 21:26:36 JMyaDaGod: huh? Dec 03 21:28:10 lol ok im at the end steps of GNuboy typing this command .sdlgnuboy --scale=2 --density=2 --bind q quit --bind u +up --bind h +left --bind k +right --bind j +down $ROM Dec 03 21:28:16 And then i am getting that error Dec 03 21:28:43 why you asking me about this, i've never used GNUboy Dec 03 21:29:04 o sorry seems like no one around here has thanks anyway Dec 03 21:29:24 JMyaDaGod most of us aren't much in the way of gamers. Dec 03 21:29:41 ./ Dec 03 21:29:45 JMyaDaGod if you post on the talk page on the wiki for that app, or if you post on the talk page of the person who wrote it. Dec 03 21:29:51 you might have better luck Dec 03 21:29:56 ok thanks Dec 03 21:30:02 you can find the author of the page by loooking at the history for that page. Dec 03 21:30:47 but in general, those "we can't do this inside a luna window" apps, are things that for the most part the core team is not paying much attention to. Dec 03 21:31:36 atm Dec 03 21:36:08 is precentral forums down? Dec 03 21:37:09 optware-bootstrap.sh is supposed to still work on the emulator correct? Dec 03 21:37:16 PreMan: yep Dec 03 21:37:45 PreMan: and the optware support in Preware can do the equivalent now if you're interested in testing ut Dec 03 21:37:47 it Dec 03 21:38:04 hmmm Dec 03 21:38:13 * rwhitby thinks the optware bootstrap script will be obsolete after some end-use documentation is done Dec 03 21:38:13 /dev/hdb does not exist, but hba and hbc do, is it supposed to point to one of those or should i still have a hdb? Dec 03 21:38:37 PreMan: make sure you added the disk as first IDE slave Dec 03 21:39:03 xorg: it looks back up. Dec 03 21:39:05 rwhitby: good morning Dec 03 21:39:38 dBsooner-work: g'day - did you get some good retweets? Dec 03 21:39:57 about 4 right off the bat Dec 03 21:40:00 bpdamas: yes, i'm in now... slow for me though Dec 03 21:40:07 including a shun from Chuq. ;) Dec 03 21:40:40 http://www.zodttd.com/wp/2009/11/wiimote-demonstration-video-with-mame4iphone/ Dec 03 21:45:18 Rick_work: that's because we need to get it all into Luna. :) Dec 03 21:45:33 ~seen ameng Dec 03 21:45:37 ameng is currently on #webos-internals (9h 46m 58s), last said: 'rwhitby-pre_: do you know any progress on FSO Palm Pre Challenge since there is no update on http://groups.google.com/group/webos-internals recently'. Dec 03 21:46:03 ameng: good question! I'm curious about that myself :) Dec 03 21:48:53 http://www.precentral.net/webgl-nokia-n900-makes-us-hopeful Dec 03 21:49:26 for me not as much hopeful as depressed ;) Dec 03 21:50:25 gah, I hate shelling out in java Dec 03 21:50:39 I can't use pipes like wanted to Dec 03 21:50:48 but I *can* use a script that contains what I wanted Dec 03 21:50:54 * azakus shivers Dec 03 21:51:00 * rwhitby bbl Dec 03 21:53:20 azakus: me and oil have a app/service that basically does what you are doing and more, i wouldnt waste your time here Dec 03 21:55:35 * xorg_work heading home Dec 03 21:58:39 PuffTheMagic: releasing any time soon? Dec 03 21:59:15 no its sorta low priority Dec 03 22:02:24 whats the best way to get Palm pre back to Factory without losing ur contacts? Dec 03 22:02:49 doctor it Dec 03 22:03:11 doctor it and pray that your palm profile is working Dec 03 22:03:15 without losing your contacts, is hard. Dec 03 22:03:25 since factory default has no contacts in it Dec 03 22:03:36 lol Dec 03 22:03:56 that will erase anything did while rooting too? Dec 03 22:03:58 Jason R's webos repair utility will restore all files in the phone to factory default and remove any themes, patches, etc Dec 03 22:04:03 JMyaDaGod: try webOSRepairUtility and see if that works. Dec 03 22:04:11 nodnod that's the one Dec 03 22:04:14 just dr it Dec 03 22:04:31 Yep Dec 03 22:04:36 PuffTheMagic why not provide full info? Dec 03 22:04:48 ok so doctor it and anything i did when rooting would be erased? Dec 03 22:04:48 full info? Dec 03 22:05:09 JMyaDaGod: doctoring it returns it to out of the box state Dec 03 22:05:09 here's the thing, webosRepairUtility takes a LONG time.... but it goes through and checks file-by-file against the doctor image for programs and images Dec 03 22:05:19 but it doesn't mess with the databases. Dec 03 22:05:21 then u log into your profile and your contacts get restored Dec 03 22:05:32 and apps Dec 03 22:05:37 and memos Dec 03 22:05:45 and now bmarks Dec 03 22:05:51 PuffTheMagic true assuming that you doctor to the SAME VERSION of webOS that your last backup was in Dec 03 22:05:51 * DarkSpecter keeps all his contacts in his google account Dec 03 22:05:52 and cookies Dec 03 22:06:05 mmm cookies Dec 03 22:06:20 if you have installed 1.3.1 and doctor to 1.2, then you lose all that, due to database structure changes. Dec 03 22:06:21 Rick_work: if you have an issue call palm and they can fix your backup, they keep many of them Dec 03 22:06:41 if anyone is ever in boston. go to the prudential center mall food court and get a few paradise cookies from paradise cafe. best cookies ive ever had. Dec 03 22:06:56 yeah going backwards probably isnt good Dec 03 22:07:03 forward shouldnt be a problem though Dec 03 22:07:36 ok so basiclly just make sure the doctor file i have is newest from palm right? Dec 03 22:07:48 JMyaDaGod: it honestly depends on what you did when you rooted. Dec 03 22:08:54 yeah but it is a funny game with the contacts. I wouldn't doctor it unless I saved my contacts at least one more spot. Dec 03 22:09:25 I would at least save your .db3 file. Dec 03 22:09:42 if you still have your old phone with the contacts, you can just go to sprint to get them copied over to the pre again. and enter all new contacts to google contacts Dec 03 22:10:02 bpdamas: u mean if i messed something up while rooting....?everything on my phone works i am just getting errors while im trying to get this gnuboy emulator on so i want to start fresh now that i understand the guide more Dec 03 22:10:25 what is .db3 and where is it? Dec 03 22:10:26 JMyaDaGod: which webos are you on right now? Dec 03 22:10:39 newest umm 1.3.1 i think Dec 03 22:10:59 yea 1.3.1 Dec 03 22:11:05 ok. then as long as you doctor it back to 1.3.1 you should have no problems Dec 03 22:11:29 egaudet, are you here? Dec 03 22:11:45 no, he's in boston. Dec 03 22:11:47 http://www.instantrimshot.com Dec 03 22:11:53 now that i understand a little more about chroot i think i can get this going Dec 03 22:12:09 but i saw egaudet-work here a bit ago! Dec 03 22:12:31 PreMan: lol, yeah, seems like he isnt logged in at the moment. which is weird. Dec 03 22:12:56 would you happen to know his code in the .patch file for the onscreen-keyboard? Dec 03 22:13:04 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File Dec 03 22:13:25 What darkspecter said. Dec 03 22:13:52 there is a guide zo export your contacts to csv Dec 03 22:14:06 s/zo/to/ Dec 03 22:14:07 DarkSpecter meant: there is a guide to export your contacts to csv Dec 03 22:14:10 i hope i didnt fuck something up on my phone because i dont want to have to buy another 30$ screen protector Dec 03 22:14:43 that's why you get phantomskinz Dec 03 22:14:47 it came with two Dec 03 22:15:34 You will not mess up your Pre enough to have to get another phone. You can always doctor it again. Dec 03 22:15:35 you'd need to royaly fubar it for the doc to not be able to help you Dec 03 22:15:47 phantomskinz better than ZAGG? Dec 03 22:16:25 doctor = format c: + reinstall windows Dec 03 22:16:29 ;) Dec 03 22:16:30 anybody on here yet that may be able to let me know if I can create a Palm Profile without having service on my Pre? (I have already bypassed activation by using metadoctor) Dec 03 22:16:50 Wifi works - I can browse/use the Internet Dec 03 22:17:03 just can't successfully create a Palm Profile Dec 03 22:17:19 can u use palm profile twice? Dec 03 22:19:12 JMyaDaGod: Imo...they are better Dec 03 22:20:44 rwhitby: fixed Dec 03 22:21:35 u try both? Dec 03 22:22:43 rwhitby: damn irc lag... fixed lunaservice is pushed Dec 03 22:25:18 rwhitby: pushed Dec 03 22:25:33 Puffy_wIRC: how long doctor take about? Dec 03 22:26:07 PuffTheMagic:^ sorry wrong name Dec 03 22:26:14 i have to start using a qussel core that is in the US Dec 03 22:27:06 JMyaDaGod: not that long 20 min Dec 03 22:27:15 maybe Dec 03 22:27:16 I never timed it Dec 03 22:29:34 ...i wonder if i should un-preware-bootstrap my pre Dec 03 22:30:14 i mean un-optware-bootstrap O.o Dec 03 22:41:29 anywhere to get doctor file for 1.3.1 besides palm there servers slow Dec 03 22:51:35 JMyaDaGod: this is the only link I have found...http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p131r0d11172009/sr1ntp131rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Dec 03 22:52:28 thanks palm server picked up but thanks Dec 03 22:53:22 do i have to remove anything before doctoring ..ie theme ,specific patches? Dec 03 22:55:22 nope Dec 03 22:55:28 it removes everything for you Dec 03 22:55:56 jmyadagod:how do you create multiple profiles? I can't even create one Dec 03 22:56:00 PuffTheMagic: lunaservice visible Dec 03 22:57:11 i dont know i was just suggesting maybe u could use another profile on 2 different phones Dec 03 22:57:42 I only have one phone though Dec 03 22:57:47 and no profiles :( Dec 03 22:57:54 oh Dec 03 22:58:15 and what no service thru sprint i am assuming? Dec 03 22:58:16 can someone out here create a profile for me on their phone using my info and I'll login afterward and reset my password? Dec 03 22:59:17 right Dec 03 22:59:47 rwhitby: offroad99 here has an issue with his WiFi only CDMA pre that won't communicate with palm via First Use. Dec 03 23:00:17 dBsooner-work: yep, dunno about that. Dec 03 23:00:21 rwhitby: he can do everything else on it via WiFi. Dec 03 23:00:51 rwhitby: Cool.. Just didn't know if you knew if anything done during meta-doc would have cuased it. Dec 03 23:01:16 well, meta-doc patches first-use Dec 03 23:01:31 probably need to un-patch it and run it. Dec 03 23:01:57 dBsooner-work: maybe we can have a Activation Un-Bypass patch in Preware. Dec 03 23:02:29 rwhitby:I don't have data service on the device, just wifi Dec 03 23:02:55 yeah.. he has to have WiFi enabled for First Use to work Dec 03 23:03:21 offroad99: what does dbus-util --capture, or /var/log/messages say when you try to create the profile? Dec 03 23:04:41 rwhitby:I also haven't successfully consoled to the thing yet so I can't get to the cli Dec 03 23:05:02 offroad99: won't be able to debug anything until you do Dec 03 23:05:33 damnit whats battery level gotta be around for doctor to work? Dec 03 23:07:26 * DarkSpecter wonders what would be less work, manualy reversing optware bootstrap or doctor and reinstall/patch everything Dec 03 23:15:12 rwhitby:okay, I'm in Dec 03 23:21:17 rwhitby:LunaSysMgr...firstuse: Error:.Account Creation Error...Invalid language code Dec 03 23:22:13 anybody know how to use putty in place of novaterm for cli access? Dec 03 23:23:02 rwhitby:LunaSysMgr...firstuse: Error:.Account Creation Error...Invalid language code Dec 03 23:23:22 rwhitby:I got CLI access, and there's an excerpt of the message Dec 03 23:23:47 I can't copy and paste from novaterm for some reason, is there an easy way to use putty? Dec 03 23:25:37 DarkSector, doctoring is easier. Dec 03 23:27:16 anyone ever get the "We were unable to reset your phone." error? Dec 03 23:27:38 rwhitby:I hate to repeat myself, but you are bouncing...did you get my response to your request? Dec 03 23:35:11 rwhitby:I hate to repeat myself, but you are bouncing...did you get my response to your request? Dec 03 23:36:58 offroad99: didn't see it, sorry. network problems here. Dec 03 23:37:20 rwhitby:LunaSysMgr...firstuse: Error:.Account Creation Error...Invalid language code Dec 03 23:40:34 rwhitby: does that message help you, or should I retype it word for word? Dec 03 23:41:16 offroad99: I would say you need to unpatch first-use and try running it Dec 03 23:41:54 can I unpatch it while it's running? Dec 03 23:42:15 rwhitby:if I go back to the factory image, then I won't have wifi access Dec 03 23:42:21 rwhitby: chicken and egg Dec 03 23:42:36 offroad99: yes, you can unpatch while running Dec 03 23:42:52 offroad99: you'll need to be able to run a file editor on Linux on the Pre Dec 03 23:43:03 okay Dec 03 23:43:05 vi is there Dec 03 23:43:06 I can do that Dec 03 23:43:48 offroad99: you need to revert this patch: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=blob;f=patches/pre-p100eww-sprint-1.3.1/com.palm.app.firstuse.patch Dec 03 23:43:56 (just the first part) Dec 03 23:44:05 you can do that by deleting the lines that the patch added Dec 03 23:44:10 if you load a .patch manually through webosquickinstall, what's the proper way to remove it? Dec 03 23:44:36 WillJitsu: webosquickinstall I guess, unless it packages it properly on the fly for Preware removal Dec 03 23:45:28 rwhitby: well it's not a patch available in Preware. webosqi doesn't seem to have a removal option for a manually loaded patch that I can see Dec 03 23:45:58 WillJitsu: does it appear in Installed Packages in Preware? Dec 03 23:46:32 rwhitby: checking... Dec 03 23:47:55 rwhitby:just remove the three lines? Dec 03 23:48:50 offroad99: yep Dec 03 23:49:59 won't somebody please do a shake-for-another-fortunes-fortune Dec 03 23:50:05 rwhitby: yeah I guess it is listed. didn't realize that. it's the 600 MHz smartreflex patch. I just downloaded the raw .patch and installed via webosqi. it runs great, but I'm just wondering how I should remove it when 1.3.5 comes out. epr should take care of it since Preware is seeing it, right? Dec 03 23:50:20 rwhitby:"read-only file system" Dec 03 23:51:57 I can not get my phone to doctor....it keeps caying needs charge then it charges it then it says it lost connection with phone Dec 03 23:52:04 saying* Dec 03 23:53:13 anyone ever have this happen? Dec 03 23:54:14 rwhitby:I found the root file system answer Dec 03 23:59:44 WillJitsu: no idea - it's worth a test ahead of time Dec 04 00:01:02 rwhitby: cool. I will just do a manual removal with Preware if EPR doesn't grab it. Dec 04 00:08:06 Mousey: is that a serious request? Dec 04 00:09:11 well in 2 days there's one for fml and mlia, and some other, but no actual fortune shake? Dec 04 00:09:30 just an observation, my serious requests are still for a jabber client, uber alles Dec 04 00:09:38 hmm, and then a syncML method Dec 04 00:10:08 rwhitby: 2009-12-03T23:55:29.360412Z [2728] palm-webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.palm.app.firstuse: Error: warning, script load failed for Dec 04 00:10:19 rwhitby: file:///usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.firstuse/app/controllers/back-tutorial-override-assistant.js, either remove the script or fix the src path., Dec 04 00:10:29 rwhitby: file:///usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.firstuse/index.html:0 Dec 04 00:10:34 Better asked here... Dec 04 00:10:39 rwhitby: 2009-12-03T23:56:32.598266Z [2792] palm-webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.palm.app.firstuse: Error: Account creation error = # rwhitby: code.'}>, file:///usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.firstuse/index.html:0 Dec 04 00:11:29 rwhitby: (or anybody else who can answer this) Is anybody working on an actual patch for generic XMPP (non-GTalk) in the messenger service? The only workaround I found was Harald's binary patch. Dec 04 00:12:01 Mousey: there's already SyncML built into webos Dec 04 00:12:09 offroad99: no idea, sorry. Dec 04 00:13:18 AtomicPlayboy: not that I know of. Dec 04 00:15:43 I wonder if there will be a patch to remove ads from future apps... Dec 04 00:15:51 or would that violate some rules lol Dec 04 00:16:22 destinal1: that's a start, but no interface to connect to webcals or backup to an arbitrary page, nothin' Dec 04 00:16:39 i wish i could program =( Dec 04 00:16:52 i love this phone, but i'm tied up by my own ignorance Dec 04 00:18:55 yeah, webos includes/utilizes, java, c++, webkit, html, js, css, json, xml, dbus, syncml and tons more technologies Dec 04 00:18:57 Drat. Dec 04 00:19:09 Alright, guess I know what to work on. Dec 04 00:19:12 can be a lot to learn sometimes to get deep into the internals Dec 04 00:19:13 * AtomicPlayboy goes back into hiding. Dec 04 00:19:37 * Mousey watches as phone randomly reboots, no warning, nothin' Dec 04 00:20:20 wow, wtf. just straight reboot Dec 04 00:20:25 not even luna, whole phone Dec 04 00:20:57 2009-12-04T00:18:26.133453Z [128324] palm-webos-device kern.info kernel: minicore_launch: CRASH! LunaSysMgr(8808) receive Dec 04 00:20:57 d 11. Waiting up to 5s for minicore to attach. Dec 04 00:26:14 Mousey: u got the battery issue ? Dec 04 00:26:40 donno. i've never seen it do that before, and it's plugged into usb. i'm still poking in the logs Dec 04 00:30:35 Dec 3 16:20 RDXD13_LunaSysMgr.8808.minicore.gz Dec 04 00:31:42 maybe it was just luna Dec 04 00:35:12 I have luna crash semifrequently especially in the web browser when the device is already busy doing something else Dec 04 00:37:48 rwhitby:I got it to work! Dec 04 00:38:05 offroad99: how? Dec 04 00:38:44 hmm - I wonder if Meta-Doctor could pre-install a firstuse patch, which you then just uninstall to put it back to normal ... Dec 04 00:39:12 rwhitby:I inserted a pushScene("language"); Dec 04 00:39:16 in the code Dec 04 00:41:29 rwhitby: Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene("language"); Dec 04 00:41:49 in the setUpFirstUse() function Dec 04 00:42:10 offroad99: so I should add that to the patch in meta-doctor? Dec 04 00:43:18 I would Dec 04 00:43:41 I don't think it matters too much where you add it in that function, but I put it right after sessionStatus = 'none'; Dec 04 00:45:11 rwhitby:thanks for pointing me in the right direction Dec 04 00:53:20 We need a patch that continues to send a text message until its sent Dec 04 00:54:36 I'm curious, is any of this community endorsed by Palm? Dec 04 00:55:13 No Dec 04 00:55:22 cool Dec 04 00:55:42 Although we have connections to Palm, we are pretty independent Dec 04 00:56:01 They (slightly) embrace our contributions Dec 04 00:56:14 offroad99: a company such as Palm is not able to endorse or not endorse a collection of individuals. Dec 04 00:57:01 (officially) Dec 04 00:57:29 rwhitby:are you going to include the change in that change then? I have to run Dec 04 00:57:37 do any of you guys use classic? Dec 04 00:58:04 offroad99: did you put the line in *after* taking the other lines out, or just in addition to the other lines? Dec 04 00:58:13 Na, Pre is my first smartphone so Classic is a waste of money for me Dec 04 00:58:57 i'd pay the money for classic, but all the palmos apps i wanna run on it are free Dec 04 00:59:05 and garnetvm runs better anyway Dec 04 00:59:16 (just not on pre) Dec 04 01:00:09 rwhitby: after taking the others out...I bet you could do the same thing by adding it in setupSimulator Dec 04 01:00:57 rwhitby: I can test that tomorrow ... probably Dec 04 01:00:59 :) Dec 04 01:08:32 howdy. i'm trying to see if, from com.palm.launcher, i can determine if com.palm.app.notes is running and in the grid scene. Dec 04 01:08:57 random FYI, changing your hostname doesn't seem to cause any problems in practice (for a device that is, don't do it to an emulator), just tested. Dec 04 01:09:42 root@castle# again for nostalgia's sake and to save screen real estate :) Dec 04 01:10:46 * rwhitby wonders whether Terminal should force just root#, since you know what device you're typing on ... Dec 04 01:11:25 yeah, maybe a section to set environment variable and include PS1 Dec 04 01:11:31 just oldschool it: PS1='# ' Dec 04 01:12:23 yeah, and a default PS1 of '#' is not a bad idea Dec 04 01:12:49 s/#/# / Dec 04 01:12:49 destinal1 meant: yeah, and a default PS1 of '# ' is not a bad idea Dec 04 01:17:12 everybody go here http://is.gd/56qn7 and nominate the Palm Pre for the best new gadget Crunchie Dec 04 01:17:41 Uh, no. Dec 04 01:17:49 why Dec 04 01:17:54 Palm Pre != Best New Gadget Dec 04 01:17:59 what is? Dec 04 01:18:16 The zune :) Dec 04 01:18:25 A matter of opinion, I'm sure but I can think of a few. Dec 04 01:18:31 did /media/internal always survive webos doctor, or is that a new feature? Dec 04 01:18:39 It's new Dec 04 01:18:50 thought so, glad I'm not losing my mind :) Dec 04 01:18:51 Now, I'd vote the Pre for best new concept or most potential for success. Dec 04 01:18:57 Did you just perform a wipe destinal1? Dec 04 01:19:07 Shiggity: earlier today, yeah. Dec 04 01:19:10 Yea zune is still the most impressive till others get a Tegra. Dec 04 01:19:24 Tegra is the hot sex. Dec 04 01:19:26 How long did it take? I've been worried since my MM/DD patch failed to uninstall properly last version. Dec 04 01:19:39 I need snapdragon tegra phone. Dec 04 01:19:43 just trying to get more hype to webOS Dec 04 01:20:06 Shiggity: hmm, 20 minutes? Dec 04 01:20:12 Fair enough, I'll go vote it. ;) Dec 04 01:20:14 The fact that this channel even exists is incontrovertible evidence enough that you should vote for the Pre. :) Dec 04 01:20:22 nonlocal: you don't dual up a snapdragon and tegra... that would be dumb. Dec 04 01:21:21 Uh? Save battery issues Dec 04 01:21:29 I fail to see how it'd be dumb. Dec 04 01:21:34 Enlighten me. Dec 04 01:22:24 Tegra by its self can run the device, it doesn't need to dual up. Dec 04 01:23:24 Um... I was under the understanding that Tegra is a GPU. Dec 04 01:23:40 a Dec 04 01:25:07 Is Tegra the GPU-on-CPU deal NVidia was planning? Dec 04 01:25:15 It is, nvm. Forgive me ignorance. Dec 04 01:26:32 Yeah, when are they going to enable that? Dec 04 01:27:16 what kind of GPU does the Pre even have? Dec 04 01:29:07 Omap Dec 04 01:30:14 600 MHz (underclocked to 500 MHz) Texas Instruments OMAP 3430 (ARM Cortex A8 + PowerVR SGX) Dec 04 01:30:24 Particularly, via Wikipedia. Dec 04 01:31:01 Isn't that the CPU? Dec 04 01:33:19 Yes, and the GPU (PowerVR SGX) is built into it... pretty much. Dec 04 01:37:31 Actually, before I wipe this thing, does anyone know of a way to properly fix the MM/DD patch that was broken a while back? Dec 04 01:37:56 I didn't ever see anyting pop up in the precentral forums except for the "manually delete files and restore the one edited one" Dec 04 01:59:10 MM/DD works for me on 1.3.1 fine. Dec 04 02:07:17 * rwhitby buys one of these: https://shop.fon.com/FonShop/shop/US/ShopController?view=product&product=PRD-022 - runs openwrt under the hood Dec 04 02:08:33 that's pretty cool rwhitby Dec 04 02:09:23 rick_home: I got the 2.0g as a developer device back when they were designing it, but the USB on the 2.0g is not that great. This one works much better apparently. Dec 04 02:09:29 so in theory I could put one of our sprint 3g dongles into that thing and get a wifi hotspot? Dec 04 02:09:36 yep Dec 04 02:09:49 that's MUCH cheaper than sprint's linksys thing Dec 04 02:09:49 in practice, not in theory. Dec 04 02:10:04 and more useful Dec 04 02:10:20 and you can run optware on it :-) Dec 04 02:11:23 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/openwrt-atheros/cross/unstable/ Dec 04 02:21:38 Has anyone tried working on a longer vibrate patch? Dec 04 02:27:10 Oh yeah? What are you trying to make Abyssul? ;) Dec 04 02:28:26 Just want the ability to feel the vibrate in my pocket Dec 04 02:28:40 When I have the sleeping bag on my Pre, I cant even feel it Dec 04 02:30:58 anyone else have Palm DTS as an account in their contacts? It's not on my Pre, but it is on my Pixi Dec 04 02:32:15 sleeping bag? Dec 04 02:32:32 the suede bag? Dec 04 02:32:54 The cover that came with the Pre Dec 04 02:32:57 I call it a sleeping bag Dec 04 02:36:31 Anyone have a Google Voice invite? I got a Wave invite in return Dec 04 02:36:51 lol Dec 04 02:37:03 Have to ask :p Dec 04 02:37:50 voice invites are free Dec 04 02:38:05 err Dec 04 02:38:11 its not even on a "invite" basis Dec 04 02:38:11 I thought I had to be invited by another person? Dec 04 02:38:19 yes it is. Dec 04 02:38:23 no its not Dec 04 02:38:23 i asked for invites yesterday and got one. Dec 04 02:38:25 you sign up Dec 04 02:38:32 and they give you access in batches Dec 04 02:38:39 s/you/out/ Dec 04 02:38:39 PuffTheMagic meant: and they give out access in batches Dec 04 02:39:29 or you can be invited by a friend for instant access Dec 04 02:39:55 any zfs gurus here? Dec 04 02:40:43 http://www.google.com/support/voice/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=115143 Dec 04 02:41:31 PuffTheMagic: that link's for you Dec 04 02:41:55 Palm mentions Preware for the very first time on twitter: https://twitter.com/palm/status/6319966931 Dec 04 02:42:07 oil: ping Dec 04 02:42:07 Nonsense! Dec 04 02:42:18 n900 has the same hw platform as pre, nokia is doing so much amazing stuff on it utilizing PowerVR, where is palm? Dec 04 02:42:27 rwhitby: lol Dec 04 02:42:53 Hey, its there.. Dec 04 02:42:56 ameng: trying to catch up Dec 04 02:42:59 they could have "tagged" it Dec 04 02:43:03 #Preware Dec 04 02:43:35 rwhitby: They mentioned "Mr. Homebrew" earlier with a link to an older PreCentral article that mentioned FileCoaster: http://twitter.com/palm/status/6309311747 Dec 04 02:43:37 ameng: that AMD developer they stole did nice things for the opensource radeon drivers Dec 04 02:43:42 s/They/@palm/ Dec 04 02:43:42 dsevil meant: rwhitby: @palm mentioned "Mr. Homebrew" earlier with a link to an older PreCentral article that mentioned FileCoaster: http://twitter.com/palm/status/6309311747 Dec 04 02:44:16 ameng: im sure palm is putting him straight to work Dec 04 02:44:55 Haha Dec 04 02:45:05 Comcast promises not to crush Hulu... Dec 04 02:46:17 PuffTheMagic: nokia has developed qt4.6 which has a new qws window system using all the 3d acceleration of powervr for its coming maemo6. Dec 04 02:46:42 Nokia also has a huge development and research budget compared to Palm Dec 04 02:48:21 ameng: palm's libpiranha graphics lib can use just about any backend, it uses gtk right now but they could easily switch to qt and use nokia's work Dec 04 02:50:57 PuffTheMagic: no , libpiranha does not uses gtk Dec 04 02:51:10 s/gtk/glib Dec 04 02:51:50 libpiranha is definately not "standalone" Dec 04 02:54:35 PuffTheMagic: you know it's difficulut to intergate 3d (opengl) into a windowing system. e.g. X did it using DRI2 and a lot of kernel stuff like DRM etc. Dec 04 02:56:07 libpiranha is just based on fb Dec 04 02:56:52 libpiranha is useless with out an existing backend Dec 04 02:57:35 what qt has done is really awosome **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 04 02:59:57 2009