**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 04 02:59:57 2009
Dec 04 03:10:13 <Abyssul> Its soo funny reading pastebin submissions lol
Dec 04 03:10:14 <Abyssul> http://pastebin.com/d144c5976
Dec 04 03:23:57 <jippolito> hello
Dec 04 03:24:23 <jippolito> ne one know how to get mytether free to work with wifi
Dec 04 03:25:10 <jippolito> hello
Dec 04 03:25:16 <jippolito> ?
Dec 04 03:25:26 <rwhitby> have you asked the author?
Dec 04 03:25:35 <jippolito> nope
Dec 04 03:26:05 <rwhitby> there's probably a thread on it at PreCentral ...
Dec 04 03:26:16 <jippolito> ok ill check
Dec 04 03:26:19 <jippolito> thx
Dec 04 03:27:53 <jippolito> is pre going to get a camcorder app that does adio and video?
Dec 04 03:27:54 <Abyssul> Is there a better pdf reader than the stock one for reading ebooks in pdf file?
Dec 04 03:28:04 <Abyssul> jippolito, Precorder
Dec 04 03:28:15 <jippolito> does it do adio?
Dec 04 03:28:21 <Abyssul> yea
Dec 04 03:28:34 <jippolito> lol where can i get it?
Dec 04 03:28:46 <Abyssul> webos-internals.org
Dec 04 03:29:08 <jippolito> ok thx aby
Dec 04 03:42:17 <jippolito> cant get precorder to save videos????
Dec 04 03:42:41 <rwhitby> have you read the wiki page?
Dec 04 03:42:47 <jippolito> link?
Dec 04 03:43:08 <rwhitby> which documentation are you reading now?
Dec 04 03:43:12 <rwhitby> (for the installation)
Dec 04 03:43:22 <dsevil> is dBsooner around?
Dec 04 03:43:43 <dsevil> Just sent a nice update of Universal Search Command Line your way.  :)
Dec 04 03:43:44 <jippolito> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Precorder
Dec 04 03:43:59 <rwhitby> jippolito: that's the page
Dec 04 03:44:06 <Abyssul> Haha
Dec 04 03:44:07 <jippolito> i got it but
Dec 04 03:44:24 <dBsooner> yeah, I am here
Dec 04 03:44:32 <jippolito> it says recording but when i go to videos nothing is saved
Dec 04 03:44:48 <dBsooner> rwhitby: is one supposed to install dropbear, openssh, openssh sftp server AND openssl?
Dec 04 03:44:55 <dBsooner> from Preware/Optware
Dec 04 03:45:22 <jippolito> ne idea
Dec 04 03:45:27 * xorg hello world
Dec 04 03:45:34 <rwhitby> jippolito: how many times did you try it?
Dec 04 03:45:41 <jippolito> like 20
Dec 04 03:45:41 <rwhitby> dBsooner: depends what you want to install
Dec 04 03:45:51 <dsevil> dBsooner: what time will you put it up on webos-patches tonight?
Dec 04 03:45:53 <dBsooner> SSH and SCP access
Dec 04 03:46:07 <dBsooner> dsevil: who said I would od it tonight? ;)
Dec 04 03:46:12 * dBsooner was up ALL NIGHT last night
Dec 04 03:46:16 <rwhitby> dBsooner: just install openssh-sftp-server and it will pull in what it needs
Dec 04 03:46:21 <dBsooner> probably in the nex thour
Dec 04 03:46:26 <dsevil> s/tonight/whenever/  :D
Dec 04 03:46:28 <dsevil> Thanks!
Dec 04 03:46:36 <dBsooner> I am fixing my ssh first
Dec 04 03:46:38 <dBsooner> then I will
Dec 04 03:46:57 <jippolito> ne one can help with precorder??????
Dec 04 03:47:14 <dsevil> dBsooner: fair enough.
Dec 04 03:48:05 <jippolito> ????
Dec 04 03:48:09 * rwhitby wonders if the next question will have 8 question marks ...
Dec 04 03:48:13 <rwhitby> doh, only 4.
Dec 04 03:48:42 <rwhitby> jippolito: it's alpha software.  unless you're ready to start getting into the command line and debugging it, then there's not much we can do.
Dec 04 03:48:46 <dsevil> I love being able to make the Pre my bitch.  That's all.  :)
Dec 04 03:49:06 <jippolito> im ready
Dec 04 03:49:47 <rwhitby> do you know how to use strace?
Dec 04 03:50:13 <jippolito> i can larn fast
Dec 04 03:50:19 <jippolito> lern*
Dec 04 03:50:23 <jippolito> ahh*
Dec 04 03:50:23 <dBsooner> oye.. that is such a loaded question
Dec 04 03:50:34 <dBsooner> "do you know how to use strace?"
Dec 04 03:50:38 <dBsooner> hehe
Dec 04 03:51:45 <rwhitby> jippolito: to debug it effectively, you will need to be able to change the gstservice .jar file to instrument the gstreamer pipeline calls with strace.
Dec 04 03:52:13 <jippolito> can  walk me through
Dec 04 03:54:08 <rwhitby> unfortunately, I don't have the time to do that.  Unless it's a systematic problem that's affecting a whole lot of people, one on one walk-through assistance for alpha software just isn't time-effective.  I've pointed you where to look, you'll need to do the rest yourself.
Dec 04 03:54:36 <rwhitby> (unless you can provide a repeatable test case that one of the authors can reproduce)
Dec 04 03:54:47 <jippolito> ok thx
Dec 04 03:55:38 <jippolito> im going to go shoot myself and record it with precorder so no one can watch it cause it doesnt save my videos
Dec 04 03:55:57 <bpadalino> awesome
Dec 04 03:55:59 <rwhitby> if a tree falls in the forest .... ;-)
Dec 04 03:56:52 <oil> it doesn't make any noise at all
Dec 04 03:57:41 <dBsooner> rwhitby: openssh's postinst script isn't creating the ssh keys
Dec 04 03:58:11 <rwhitby> dBsooner: you sure?  it only creates the host keys, not the user keys.
Dec 04 03:58:44 <dBsooner> root@palm-webos-device:/opt/etc/openssh# ls /opt/etc/openssh/
Dec 04 03:58:44 <dBsooner> root@palm-webos-device:/opt/etc/openssh#
Dec 04 03:58:58 <dBsooner> yep, pretty sure.
Dec 04 03:59:23 <rwhitby> what does /opt/bin/ssh-keygen -t rsa1 -f /opt/etc/openssh/ssh_host_key -C '' -N '' do?
Dec 04 03:59:32 <dBsooner> cd ..
Dec 04 03:59:32 <dBsooner> ls
Dec 04 03:59:34 <dBsooner> woops
Dec 04 03:59:36 <dBsooner> wrong window
Dec 04 03:59:36 <dBsooner> lol
Dec 04 03:59:53 <dBsooner> nothing
Dec 04 03:59:57 <dBsooner> because ther eis no /opt/bin
Dec 04 04:00:23 <rwhitby> dsevil: did you install these things using Preware or some other means?
Dec 04 04:00:36 <dBsooner> rwhit
Dec 04 04:00:38 <rwhitby> s/dsevil/dBsooner/
Dec 04 04:00:38 <infobot> rwhitby meant: dBsooner: did you install these things using Preware or some other means?
Dec 04 04:00:41 <dBsooner> found the problem
Dec 04 04:00:54 <dBsooner> but need you to fix it
Dec 04 04:02:13 <rwhitby> dBsooner: ok, thx,
Dec 04 04:02:30 <dBsooner> You know what I'm sayin?
Dec 04 04:02:36 <rwhitby> yep
Dec 04 04:02:45 <dBsooner> Which package will I need to reinstall to fix it?
Dec 04 04:12:22 <jippolito> ahh*got precorder to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 04 04:13:43 <jippolito> if record using audio mp3video mpeg 4 and container mp4 the pre will not see th video to play it
Dec 04 04:16:16 <jippolito> what r some cool good apps for pre???
Dec 04 04:17:26 <oil> yulelog!
Dec 04 04:21:16 <preston_wirc> I read over at precentral about audio recording with pulseaudio by command line. can the mic be accessed in real time in a similar manner?
Dec 04 04:56:10 <egaudet> my replacement pre comes with some ridiculous oreo twist :(
Dec 04 04:57:25 <dBsooner> egaudet: no way!
Dec 04 04:57:32 <dBsooner> egaudet: ##RTN#
Dec 04 04:57:35 <destrudo> Oreos?
Dec 04 04:57:36 <dBsooner> is it a refurb?
Dec 04 04:57:47 <egaudet> rebooting, i'll do that when it's up
Dec 04 04:59:28 <rick_home> gnight all
Dec 04 05:00:29 <egaudet> night
Dec 04 05:00:47 <Mark_M> nite
Dec 04 05:00:51 <egaudet> dBsooner,
Dec 04 05:00:53 <egaudet> what am I looking for
Dec 04 05:01:12 <egaudet> reconddate 11102009
Dec 04 05:01:15 <egaudet> recondstatus yes
Dec 04 05:01:19 <dBsooner> yep
Dec 04 05:01:23 <dBsooner> its a refurb
Dec 04 05:01:35 <egaudet> lifecalls 109949
Dec 04 05:01:47 <dBsooner> holy crap dude made a lot of calls
Dec 04 05:01:51 <egaudet> lol
Dec 04 05:02:08 <egaudet> the power button doesn't click either
Dec 04 05:02:18 <egaudet> no idea when it actually is pushed or not
Dec 04 05:02:59 <dBsooner> wow
Dec 04 05:03:02 <dBsooner> I would take that back
Dec 04 05:03:07 <dBsooner> I can't believe that is "quality"
Dec 04 05:03:23 <dBsooner> That can't pass the quality control as "factory certified refurbished"
Dec 04 05:03:45 <egaudet> it feels like a pile of junk and I've only touched it for 5 minutes
Dec 04 05:03:55 <egaudet> :( I want my solid no twist pre back!
Dec 04 05:04:59 <egaudet> i'll have to go back tomorrow and ask for a new one, hopefully they give me one
Dec 04 05:05:52 <egaudet> oh yea and the USB door sticks out a little
Dec 04 05:06:13 <dBsooner> Good lord man
Dec 04 05:06:24 <dBsooner> They actually gave it to you like that?
Dec 04 05:06:47 <dBsooner> I would thinkt hey would have said, "I am not going to give this to the guy.. I am going to go ahead and order another"
Dec 04 05:06:51 <egaudet> yea and with a dead battery
Dec 04 05:07:13 <egaudet> he took it out of the package, tried to turn it on, told me battery was dead and sent me on my way
Dec 04 05:07:27 <egaudet> None of the people in this place give me a good vibe
Dec 04 05:07:46 <egaudet> the other one I've gone to had people that gave me a better vibe, I might go back to that one
Dec 04 05:08:22 <dBsooner> That's why I LOVE my city.
Dec 04 05:08:23 <egaudet> Heck the last time the guy even just swapped out my Pre for a new one on the spot, when he was supposed to make me waith the 1.5 hours for tech to look at it because I was in a rush
Dec 04 05:08:36 <dBsooner> I went to a 3rd party Sprint store a couple years ago
Dec 04 05:08:54 <dBsooner> Because it was the closest Sprint Repair Center
Dec 04 05:09:08 <dBsooner> but since its 3rd party, they tend to take a little better care of you.
Dec 04 05:09:21 <dBsooner> And I got in good with the owner.. and became pretty good friends with him.
Dec 04 05:09:31 <dBsooner> So now I have an excellent source to go to with all my issues.
Dec 04 05:11:42 <egaudet> nice
Dec 04 05:11:54 <dBsooner> ok.. I need to get these 1.3.1 patches added
Dec 04 05:12:02 <dBsooner> before oil cries
Dec 04 05:12:09 <egaudet> lol
Dec 04 05:12:15 <dBsooner> and I was up all night last night, so I need to get sleep tonightl.
Dec 04 05:12:22 <egaudet> ok I'm going to bed
Dec 04 05:12:23 <dBsooner> midnight at the latest for me tonight.
Dec 04 05:12:46 <egaudet> sleep is good ;)   be back tomorrow
Dec 04 05:12:59 <dBsooner> c-ya
Dec 04 05:19:37 <Wahots> what is with all the updates due to "future WebOS compatability"?
Dec 04 05:34:33 <Templarian> For those of you guys awake. http://templarian.com/clients/preware/ *looks around suspiciously*
Dec 04 05:37:34 <sryan> has anyone tried that google public dns thing
Dec 04 05:38:34 <Templarian> Read about it. Obvious Skynet is obvious.
Dec 04 05:53:48 <dBsooner> oil
Dec 04 05:53:52 <oil> ?
Dec 04 05:54:03 <dBsooner> your stinkin patch will be there whenever autobuild runs
Dec 04 05:54:14 <dBsooner> made it with 6 mins to spare
Dec 04 05:54:15 <dBsooner> ;)
Dec 04 05:56:21 <oil> awesome
Dec 04 06:08:37 <edektor> rwhitby: does the latest preware work on 1.3.5
Dec 04 06:08:59 <dBsooner> oil: its there
Dec 04 06:09:13 <dBsooner> rwhitby: tweeted about 1.3.1 patches
Dec 04 06:10:19 <rwhitby> Wahots: join the dots ... ;-)
Dec 04 06:10:54 <rwhitby> Templarian: is preware meant to be on it's side?
Dec 04 06:12:02 * oil always uses preware on its side
Dec 04 06:12:28 <Templarian> rwhitby: I always use it on it's side.
Dec 04 06:12:54 <oil> however it is upside-down
Dec 04 06:13:04 <oil> when im in landscape, its usually with gesture in my right hand
Dec 04 06:13:06 <oil> not my left
Dec 04 06:13:35 <dBsooner> Templarian: Available Patches (1) ? :(
Dec 04 06:13:40 <Templarian> Meh, I prefer my way (in reality I'm just testing to make sure the tags work in both columns).
Dec 04 06:14:02 <dBsooner> I gesture with my right hand too
Dec 04 06:14:06 <Templarian> Old screenshots I found and rotated.
Dec 04 06:14:09 <oil> lol
Dec 04 06:14:20 <dBsooner> oil: install that patch
Dec 04 06:14:21 <oil> 9.0
Dec 04 06:14:21 <dBsooner> so i can sleep
Dec 04 06:14:33 <dBsooner> wow.. 9.0
Dec 04 06:14:34 <oil> i did
Dec 04 06:14:37 <dBsooner> when was that? like a week ago
Dec 04 06:14:42 <dBsooner> :D
Dec 04 06:14:45 <Templarian> 0.9.0*
Dec 04 06:14:57 <dBsooner> does it work?
Dec 04 06:15:01 * oil ignores initial 0
Dec 04 06:15:03 <oil> yeah, seems to
Dec 04 06:15:07 <dBsooner> good
Dec 04 06:15:10 <dBsooner> i will now sleep
Dec 04 06:15:11 <dBsooner> good night
Dec 04 06:15:18 <dBsooner> rwhitby: retweet
Dec 04 06:16:04 <dBsooner> rwhitby: you shouldn't have let infobot into #webos-watercooler
Dec 04 06:16:05 <Templarian> Either way was showing off how slick my JS Framework is with modules coded for the web and not WebOS.
Dec 04 06:16:12 <dBsooner> he/she is getting abused over there
Dec 04 06:16:39 <Templarian> We are not abusing as much as teaching it badly.
Dec 04 06:16:51 <Templarian> ~templarian
Dec 04 06:16:52 <infobot> you are probably doing the work of three men: Curly, Larry and Moe, or an avid pr0n watcher, or a com dumpster, or none of these things, or everything seen here today
Dec 04 06:17:13 <Templarian> Okay yea they are abusing it.
Dec 04 06:17:39 * oil is scared
Dec 04 06:17:43 <oil> ~oil
Dec 04 06:17:49 <oil> phew
Dec 04 06:17:53 <dBsooner> rofl
Dec 04 06:17:56 <dBsooner> ~dbsooner
Dec 04 06:18:01 <dBsooner> We are safe oil!
Dec 04 06:18:08 <oil> good
Dec 04 06:18:31 <Templarian> ~infobot, oil is the guy that wrote a lot of Preware and other webOS stuff
Dec 04 06:18:33 <infobot> Templarian: okay
Dec 04 06:18:55 <oil> damn
Dec 04 06:19:03 <oil> should have told it i do nothing
Dec 04 06:19:07 <Templarian> ~infobot, dBsooner is the guy that annoys Templarian for icons.
Dec 04 06:19:09 <infobot> Templarian: okay
Dec 04 06:19:14 <oil> lolol
Dec 04 06:19:48 <dBsooner> ~infobot, no dBsooner is the guy who annoys everyone for no particular reason.. oh and thinks Adora is hot...
Dec 04 06:19:49 <infobot> okay, dBsooner
Dec 04 06:19:52 * Templarian feels he has done his part now to code some more of this fancy site so we can start the marketing campaign to take over the world.
Dec 04 06:20:25 <dBsooner> hmm
Dec 04 06:20:32 <dBsooner> ~rwhitby
Dec 04 06:20:33 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, rwhitby is the owner of the nslu2-linux mailing list and IRC channel.  He tries to provide some order to the burgeoning development around the NSLU2.  You can find his website at http://www.rwhitby.net (where in particular, you will find information on Serial Port modifications for the Linksys WRT54G and NSLU2 devices).
Dec 04 06:20:43 <dBsooner> wow!
Dec 04 06:20:44 <dBsooner> OLD!
Dec 04 06:20:48 <dBsooner> :D
Dec 04 06:21:21 <dBsooner> ~seen rwhitby
Dec 04 06:21:22 <infobot> rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (6h 48m 43s) #nslu2-linux (6h 48m 43s). Has said a total of 50 messages. Is idling for 10m 28s, last said: 'Templarian: is preware meant to be on it's side?'.
Dec 04 06:21:29 <dBsooner> ~seen dbsooner
Dec 04 06:21:30 <infobot> dbsooner is currently on #webos-internals (18h 22m 52s) #webos-watercooler (18h 22m 52s). Has said a total of 86 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen dbsooner'.
Dec 04 06:22:03 * dBsooner yawns..
Dec 04 06:22:06 <dBsooner> Night ya'll
Dec 04 06:35:25 <rwhitby> dBsooner: I don't control infobot
Dec 04 06:35:49 <rwhitby> dBsooner: any channel owner needs to contact TimRiker to get infobot in their channel
Dec 04 06:38:37 <dBsooner> rwhitby: oh.. sorry for the misinformation then.
Dec 04 06:40:41 <dBsooner> g'night again
Dec 04 06:40:48 <dBsooner> ~botsnack
Dec 04 06:40:49 <infobot> :), dBsooner
Dec 04 07:06:49 <rwhitby> webOS 1.2.5 ? http://forums.precentral.net/2077394-post2504.html
Dec 04 07:07:52 <oil> lol
Dec 04 07:10:08 <rwhitby> it's a new device (Mexican GSM), so it's not out of the realms of possibilitu
Dec 04 07:10:52 <oil> maybe it will be brought to parity with 135
Dec 04 07:11:07 <oil> like eu gsm's not getting 121
Dec 04 07:11:58 <oil> that guy needs to be told to go through palms site and get the 125 doctor link
Dec 04 07:26:54 <rwhitby> oil: can we put an email button at the bottom of the IPKG Log screen?
Dec 04 07:27:25 <oil> yeah
Dec 04 07:27:40 <oil> i've done emailing before
Dec 04 07:27:50 <oil> though never figured out how to have newlines in the message
Dec 04 07:28:09 <rwhitby> <br>?
Dec 04 07:28:16 <PuffTheMagic> \n ?
Dec 04 07:28:18 <oil> i tried lots of shit
Dec 04 07:28:22 <oil> lol
Dec 04 07:28:27 <oil> and im sure both of those
Dec 04 07:28:41 <oil> it was like webos 1.1.4 or some shit though
Dec 04 07:28:59 <oil> maybe they've fixed it since then
Dec 04 07:29:38 * oil goes to sleep
Dec 04 07:29:52 * rwhitby bbl
Dec 04 07:34:08 <acydlord> speaking of the odd build numbers, my pixi had 1.2.9.4 when I first powered it on
Dec 04 08:41:12 <rwhitby> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/12/04/
Dec 04 08:53:32 <Robi_> yea nice, glosses over paid apps but hey
Dec 04 08:58:51 <acydlord> that blog makes my eyes bleed
Dec 04 09:09:07 <Robi_> From a new BillShrink email, the #Palm #Pre is the lowest cost smartphone in your stocking. $1780/2yr contract. Others are over $2000/2yrs.
Dec 04 14:03:26 <noaXess> is there a tool, like a safe for pictures? so i need to enter a passwort, if i want see the pics?
Dec 04 14:45:02 <JayCanuck> any opensource gurus online?
Dec 04 14:49:50 <xaiki> that's a wild question =)
Dec 04 14:50:09 <xaiki> JayCanuck: you're looking for a lawyer ?
Dec 04 14:50:28 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 04 14:50:33 <JayCanuck> nah
Dec 04 14:51:05 <JayCanuck> just need to ask an opensource guy about an article I'm writing
Dec 04 14:51:52 <xaiki> JayCanuck: someone from os.palm.com ? or just general FLOSS knowledge ? I've been working with OS for a few years now maybe I can help you, but it's still a bit unclear for me what you need =)
Dec 04 14:52:43 <JayCanuck> just a sec
Dec 04 14:57:45 <JayCanuck> k
Dec 04 14:58:10 <JayCanuck> so, I'm writing on a story about Palm reportedly violating GPL
Dec 04 14:58:49 <JayCanuck> however I'm not exactly certain what violating it would entail
Dec 04 14:59:00 <xaiki> yep, you got evidence ?
Dec 04 14:59:07 <JayCanuck> a lawsuit filed, lol
Dec 04 14:59:14 <xaiki> http://gpl-violations.org/
Dec 04 14:59:17 <xaiki> you know this right ?
Dec 04 14:59:57 <JayCanuck> k
Dec 04 15:00:37 <xaiki> well, you can at least ask for the source code (+patches) to be released.
Dec 04 15:00:45 <JayCanuck> they are
Dec 04 15:01:11 <xaiki> so where is your violation ?
Dec 04 15:01:12 <JayCanuck> I'm just trying to make sense what else Palm would need to do to comply
Dec 04 15:01:16 <JayCanuck> exactly
Dec 04 15:01:27 <JayCanuck> I'm just reporting the news, lol
Dec 04 15:01:41 <JayCanuck> mupdf is suing palm
Dec 04 15:01:51 <xaiki> well, what the gpl tells you, is that if you distribute binary gpl infected software, you need to provide the source to it.
Dec 04 15:02:33 <JayCanuck> yea, palm's opensource page provides mupdf's source and the changes palm's made
Dec 04 15:03:29 <JayCanuck> so I'm just wondering what Palm might not be doing, for mupdf's owners to say they aren't complying with gpl
Dec 04 15:03:31 <xaiki> so, I'd love to know under what terms they are suing them.
Dec 04 15:03:43 <JayCanuck> sec
Dec 04 15:03:51 <JayCanuck> http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20091203006412&newsLang=en
Dec 04 15:04:16 <JayCanuck> "Palm’s own documentation admits including Artifex’s muPDF in Palm’s Pre product as the PDF rendering engine in their PDF viewer application, but Palm neither obtained a commercial license from Artifex nor complied with the terms of the GPL. Palm’s intentional refusal to comply with the terms of the GPL means that Palm willfully copied and distributed muPDF without authorization, and...
Dec 04 15:04:18 <JayCanuck> ...any and...
Dec 04 15:04:20 <JayCanuck> ...all such copies infringe Artifex’s exclusive copyright. "
Dec 04 15:04:39 <xaiki> yep, they need to release the source of anything linked against mupdf
Dec 04 15:05:17 <xaiki> then, depending of the exact licence of mupdf (can be GPL + closes), they might need to release the licence of anything using any application linking to mupdf.
Dec 04 15:06:48 <JayCanuck> Palm's opensource includes a mupdf mention and says it's "licensed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (“GPL”) v2.0"
Dec 04 15:07:11 <xaiki> well, it looks like the mupdf authors have a double licence.
Dec 04 15:07:13 <xaiki> that's not uncommon.
Dec 04 15:07:20 <xaiki> Qt used to be like that (and might still be)
Dec 04 15:07:53 <xaiki> they basically say: if you're going to do OpenSource ONLY, you can use the GPL version, if you plan to use parts of mupdf in conjunction with non-free software, you need to buy licences from us.
Dec 04 15:08:09 <JayCanuck> ah
Dec 04 15:08:37 <xaiki> (this is what I gather from some readings)
Dec 04 15:08:40 <xaiki> "Artifex requires that an entire application must be licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL) if muPDF is part of the application. If the software is not licensed under the GNU GPL, then Artifex requires a commercial license in order to use muPDF, according to the company's licensing terms.
Dec 04 15:08:40 <xaiki>  
Dec 04 15:08:40 <xaiki> "
Dec 04 15:09:48 <JayCanuck> and I assume, that means Palm would have to make the entire pdf app/service opensource to comply? or do you mean the entire webOS?
Dec 04 15:09:54 <xaiki> it's a bit of a grey zone though, but if I understand correctly, to make the pdf viewer of WebOS they link mupdf to some java service, that is then rendered to the card via the nonfree com.palm.pdfreader app.
Dec 04 15:10:12 <xaiki> if it's GPL, it could be all of Mojo.
Dec 04 15:10:19 <JayCanuck> yike
Dec 04 15:10:22 <JayCanuck> *yikes
Dec 04 15:10:30 <xaiki> i.e. if they make the pdf AppService GPL to comply.
Dec 04 15:10:36 <JayCanuck> oh
Dec 04 15:10:46 <JayCanuck> that makes sense
Dec 04 15:10:50 <xaiki> and then link to some non-free libs, they may be violating (not really sure about this case)
Dec 04 15:11:00 <xaiki> that would be good =)
Dec 04 15:11:23 <xaiki> and if they could free out all those custom GST elements they have, we'd have a real recording app long time ago.
Dec 04 15:12:11 <JayCanuck> lol
Dec 04 15:16:59 <xaiki> but I must admit I'm quite happy about that lawsuite =)
Dec 04 15:17:17 <xaiki> it'd be time Palm understood that OpenSource is something you should embrace fully or not at all...
Dec 04 15:25:41 <xxtripxx> anyone have experience running linux terminal
Dec 04 15:27:03 <en0x> on pre?
Dec 04 15:27:26 <xxtripxx> no on pc
Dec 04 15:27:54 <xxtripxx> I'm trying to get follow the tut to get GNUBOY on my pre
Dec 04 15:32:02 <xxtripxx> hello?
Dec 04 15:33:44 <xxtripxx> hello
Dec 04 15:52:02 <dBsooner-work> noaXess: Are you trying to pull a Tiger Woods?
Dec 04 15:57:14 <noaXess> ??
Dec 04 15:57:32 <dBsooner-work> Wanting to password protect pictues. :D
Dec 04 15:58:15 <noaXess> dBsooner-work: yes.. is there a tool?
Dec 04 15:58:28 <noaXess> not kust pictures,, a whole album..
Dec 04 16:00:01 <dBsooner-work> Not that I am aware of. But it sounds like a good idea. I wonder who would want to make a tool.
Dec 04 16:00:04 <dBsooner-work> OIL!
Dec 04 16:05:40 <noaXess> dBsooner-work: yes... in the moment my time is short, to get a webos developer.. i have a lot ohter web developing to doo. but.. if there is time.. webos, i'm coming ;).. so need a drink.. WEEEEKEND... bye
Dec 04 16:16:25 <Wahots> rwhitby: there is a new WebOS release coming very soon?
Dec 04 16:21:13 <PuffTheMagic> Wahots: there is always a new webOS release on the way
Dec 04 16:22:54 <Wahots> well yes but I haven't seen software releases to prepare for it before
Dec 04 16:23:58 <Wahots> I'm just wondering what is different
Dec 04 16:24:11 <WillJitsu> azakus: you around?
Dec 04 16:38:08 <azakus> WillJitsu: yep
Dec 04 16:39:48 <WillJitsu> azakus: in jstop, it lists the memory at the top, but what total is that out of?
Dec 04 16:41:04 <azakus> dunno
Dec 04 16:41:05 <FreeTim3> It's be cool to be able to filter it to see just one application too some how
Dec 04 16:41:11 <azakus> I didn't write that part
Dec 04 16:41:15 <azakus> oil wrote that
Dec 04 16:41:16 <FreeTim3> Or regExp to monitor two or a combo or something
Dec 04 16:41:33 <azakus> that number is just the javascript heap size
Dec 04 16:41:38 <FreeTim3> The new layout is nice though. Especialliy I like the columns
Dec 04 16:42:09 <azakus> so I'm guessing out of oh
Dec 04 16:42:27 <azakus> Math.round((jsHeapSize/jsHeapCapacity) * 100)
Dec 04 16:43:11 <WillJitsu> what does heap size mean in real world terms? is it at all related to ram on the phone?
Dec 04 16:44:04 <azakus> it's the size of the allocated heap for the javascript
Dec 04 16:44:09 <azakus> so, that number can grow
Dec 04 16:44:27 <azakus> it's just how much memory luna has allocated for all javascript processes to use
Dec 04 16:45:16 <WillJitsu> the reason I'm asking is I can open a bunch of apps and get the "too many cards open" message, but that memory usage isn't even at 30 MB. so that doesn't really help me at all in terms of what my apps are using
Dec 04 16:49:55 <WillJitsu> I'm hoping it's possible to display the cpu/memory usage so I can see exactly which apps are the hogs in terms of system resources. maybe that's not possible though.
Dec 04 16:51:16 <azakus> hmm
Dec 04 16:51:43 <azakus> there is another project doing whole system cpu and memory usage
Dec 04 16:51:49 <azakus> ping PuffTheMagic or oil about it
Dec 04 16:52:51 <PuffTheMagic> WillJitsu: sometime, maybe before 2010 it will get released
Dec 04 16:53:08 <PuffTheMagic> WillJitsu: problem there are more useful apps that need to get worked on
Dec 04 16:53:43 <WillJitsu> PuffTheMagic: I gotcha. glad to hear it will eventually be available though :-)
Dec 04 16:54:40 <PuffTheMagic> WillJitsu: the average layperson/AM who doesnt do dev work or contribute wont need a process monitor and those who need that info for productive reasons know how to run top from cli
Dec 04 16:56:06 <WillJitsu> PuffTheMagic: yeah I've been using top, but it'd be nice to have a clean monitor to view, either in a card I keep open or showing that info in the notification bar
Dec 04 16:56:55 <PuffTheMagic> WillJitsu: i know what you are saying, which is why i started the project, but in all reality, it a waste of time
Dec 04 16:57:12 <WillJitsu> PuffTheMagic: yeah
Dec 04 16:57:28 <PuffTheMagic> more of a novelty
Dec 04 16:57:49 <WillJitsu> true
Dec 04 17:16:40 <dBsooner-work> and a hush goes over the audiance becauswe chuqui entered the room..
Dec 04 17:17:04 <chuqui> he did? where?
Dec 04 17:17:18 <dBsooner-work> behind you..
Dec 04 17:17:31 <chuqui> ahhh! scary!
Dec 04 17:17:33 <chuqui> wait.... that's a mirror
Dec 04 17:17:36 <dBsooner-work> i know right?
Dec 04 17:23:12 <offroad99> does anyone have any guidance for me regarding moding my phone to work on Verizon's network?
Dec 04 17:23:28 <offroad99> I will be attempting to follow these steps: http://www.mobile-files.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114023
Dec 04 17:24:45 <offroad99> Which of these do you guys recommend? CDMA workshop 2.7 or QXDM and QPST?
Dec 04 17:35:17 <PuffTheMagic> offroad99: i dont think anyone here is gonna give you help using illegally obtained commercial software
Dec 04 17:44:52 <offroad99> puffthemagic:I don't have the software and was just reading instructions.  I didn't realize there is not a free option
Dec 04 17:45:17 <PuffTheMagic> im not saying there isnt a free way to do what u want to
Dec 04 17:45:26 <PuffTheMagic> im just know those progs are not free
Dec 04 17:45:42 <offroad99> PuffTheMagic: okay, can you point me in that direction?
Dec 04 17:45:57 <PuffTheMagic> in what direction?
Dec 04 17:46:06 <offroad99> a free way
Dec 04 17:46:22 <PuffTheMagic> i didnt say there was
Dec 04 17:48:10 <PuffTheMagic> you said " I didn't realize there is not a free option"
Dec 04 17:48:42 <offroad99> oh, sorry, I didn't realize there is a free way
Dec 04 17:48:48 <PuffTheMagic> i said that is not necessarily true
Dec 04 17:49:00 <PuffTheMagic> i dont know that there is
Dec 04 17:49:50 <PuffTheMagic> the only thing i said that was a definite was that the apps you mentioned were non-free
Dec 04 17:50:02 <PuffTheMagic> you jumped to the conclusion that meant there was no free method
Dec 04 17:50:08 <PuffTheMagic> i said thats not necessarily true
Dec 04 17:50:24 <PuffTheMagic> idk why that is confusing
Dec 04 17:51:21 <offroad99> Puffthemagic: sorry, I am not trying to be difficult.  I just made an assumption there is a known free way to do it
Dec 04 17:51:36 <PuffTheMagic> there might be
Dec 04 17:55:20 <thebitgu1u> Is there an equivalent of orange + sym + p for taking screenshots in the emulator?  I can take a screenshot of the screen, but there was a similar shortcut in the emulator.
Dec 04 18:00:53 <Mousey> do what?!
Dec 04 18:01:44 <offroad99> print screen
Dec 04 18:02:05 <Mousey> you can PRINT?!
Dec 04 18:02:14 * Mousey looks at his phone in a whole new light
Dec 04 18:02:43 <Mousey> waaaaaaaaait a minute.. i DID see CUPS in the ipkg-opt list... WHAT IFFFFFF
Dec 04 18:02:57 * Mousey hacks
Dec 04 18:04:50 <thebitgu1u> :)
Dec 04 18:06:19 <PuffTheMagic> Mousey: a CUPS service is on my todo list ;)
Dec 04 18:06:30 * Mousey blinks
Dec 04 18:06:47 <Mousey> but can't i, technically, just cat to lpr?
Dec 04 18:07:06 <PuffTheMagic> wtf would be the point of that?
Dec 04 18:07:12 <Mousey> PDFs!
Dec 04 18:07:15 <Mousey> ^_^
Dec 04 18:07:36 <Mousey> i don't need cat, exactly
Dec 04 18:07:47 <Mousey> but cups is installing! ^_^
Dec 04 18:07:51 <Mousey> i hope the web browser works
Dec 04 18:08:00 <Mousey> lol 127.0.0.1:631 on my PHONE!
Dec 04 18:08:01 <PuffTheMagic> cups is installing?
Dec 04 18:08:04 <Mousey> so far
Dec 04 18:08:10 <PuffTheMagic> what are u talking about
Dec 04 18:08:21 <Mousey> root@palm-webos-device:/# ipkg-opt install cups
Dec 04 18:08:21 <Mousey> Installing cups (1.3.11-1) to root...
Dec 04 18:08:21 <Mousey> Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/cups_1.3.11-1_arm.ipk
Dec 04 18:08:23 <PuffTheMagic> oh u said ipkg-opt
Dec 04 18:08:27 <PuffTheMagic> i thought u said it was on the pre already
Dec 04 18:08:45 <Mousey> oooh, not already, that'd be way more foresight than i'd give palm credit for
Dec 04 18:08:49 <Mousey> ^_^
Dec 04 18:11:05 <Mousey> man, all i need now is avahi to autodiscover printers
Dec 04 18:11:23 <Mousey> suddenly... erection!
Dec 04 18:11:28 <Mousey> *ahem*
Dec 04 18:11:29 <Mousey> sorry
Dec 04 18:12:13 <azakus> cups on the pre is quite interesting
Dec 04 18:12:20 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 04 18:12:23 * Mousey is configurin'
Dec 04 18:12:32 <Mousey> i will print from my phone, TODAY
Dec 04 18:12:34 <Mousey> you watch
Dec 04 18:12:50 <oilsworkn> paperjam!
Dec 04 18:12:53 <Mousey> lol
Dec 04 18:13:08 <gkatsev> papercut
Dec 04 18:13:10 <oilsworkn> "PC LOAD LETTER"
Dec 04 18:13:16 * Mousey is a paper tiger!
Dec 04 18:15:58 <Mousey> oilsworkn: so it's a bunch of mice carrying tiny bats and hammers, dragging a pre out to into a field with hip hop music playing?
Dec 04 18:16:56 <oilsworkn> yes
Dec 04 18:17:11 <oilsworkn> im glad someone got the reference :)
Dec 04 18:17:58 <Mousey> that would make an awesome commercial tho
Dec 04 18:22:15 * Mousey starts CUPS
Dec 04 18:22:29 * Mousey checks in jstop
Dec 04 18:22:46 <Mousey> nothin! cups isn't written in javascript?!
Dec 04 18:23:47 <Mousey> lol, something is listening on 631!
Dec 04 18:23:54 * Mousey browsers over to it
Dec 04 18:26:09 <Mousey> hmm
Dec 04 18:26:38 <gkatsev> *browses
Dec 04 18:26:53 <Mousey> to excited for spelling1
Dec 04 18:27:37 <Mousey> ooh..
Dec 04 18:27:42 * Mousey installs ghostscript
Dec 04 18:27:53 <Mousey> i <3 ipkg-opt
Dec 04 18:28:56 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 04 18:29:30 <Mousey> hmm
Dec 04 18:29:45 * Mousey suggests filesystem graphs for jstop
Dec 04 18:30:13 <gkatsev> task manager for pre?
Dec 04 18:30:35 <Mousey> perfmon
Dec 04 18:30:37 <Mousey> but yah
Dec 04 18:31:00 <gkatsev> well, win's task manager has a performance monitor in it.
Dec 04 18:31:15 <Mousey> i haven't used windows for 10 years, who knows whats in it
Dec 04 18:31:36 * Mousey grabs coffee while ghostscript devours phone
Dec 04 18:32:06 <EdLin> gkatsev: maybe you can run top in a Linux terminal, who knows. :)
Dec 04 18:32:31 * EdLin is new to the Pre, haven't even got mine yet
Dec 04 18:32:40 <gkatsev> EdLin: thats what jstop is, basically.
Dec 04 18:34:23 <Mousey> EdLin: yah, totally cna
Dec 04 18:34:32 <Mousey> EdLin: but i forgot to run screen first, so now i have to wait
Dec 04 18:34:53 <Mousey> [2009/12/4 10:33:35] novacom_usb_rx_thread:336: received bad packet, shutting down
Dec 04 18:34:53 <Mousey> [2009/12/4 10:33:35] novacom_go_offline:669: going offline
Dec 04 18:34:54 <Mousey> ooops
Dec 04 18:34:59 <Mousey> guess i can run screen now ^_^
Dec 04 18:35:03 <oilsworkn> jstop != top from terminal
Dec 04 18:35:24 <Mousey> screen -S canyouhearmenow
Dec 04 18:37:18 <Mousey> oooh.. i'm a big dummy
Dec 04 18:37:23 * Mousey returns to cupsd.conf
Dec 04 18:38:47 <debilater> hello, someone alive?
Dec 04 18:40:55 <gkatsev> debilater: nope. all dead
Dec 04 18:41:33 <gkatsev> w00t, jstop 0.0.4
Dec 04 18:41:33 <debilater> I'd need some help
Dec 04 18:41:46 <gkatsev> ~ask
Dec 04 18:41:47 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Dec 04 18:42:52 <debilater> wanna post an app to the forum (precentral) and filled out the form, no response. I asked for help about subimitting an app, no response. I'm not sure what Im probably doing wrong
Dec 04 18:42:56 <gkatsev> who's here against their will? Mousey ?
Dec 04 18:43:20 <debilater> a bot, super
Dec 04 18:43:36 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 04 18:44:07 <gkatsev> debilater: how long did you wait for an answer?
Dec 04 18:44:34 <debilater> i filled the form yesterday
Dec 04 18:46:16 <Mousey> lol,
Dec 04 18:46:16 <Mousey> Configuring gconv-modules
Dec 04 18:46:16 <Mousey> ln: /lib/gconv: Read-only file system
Dec 04 18:46:16 <Mousey> postinst script returned status 1
Dec 04 18:46:16 <Mousey> ERROR: gconv-modules.postinst returned 1
Dec 04 18:46:16 <Mousey> hope ghostscript doesn't care that much
Dec 04 18:48:29 <oilsworkn> the form = homebrew app form, or contact for for access to homebrew stuff?
Dec 04 18:48:44 <gkatsev> azakus: i edited the discussion page for jstop with what happens to me when i update.
Dec 04 18:49:01 <Mousey> well poop, maybe my printing ambitions will never come to pass?
Dec 04 18:49:03 <Mousey> E [04/Dec/2009:10:48:32 -0800] Unable to open listen socket for address :::631 - Address family not supported by protocol.
Dec 04 18:49:03 <oilsworkn> i do know that deiter processes those things manually, so he may just have not gotten to it yet
Dec 04 18:49:21 <oilsworkn> you could always try sending him a PM on precentral asking if he saw your request
Dec 04 18:49:42 <azakus> gkatsev: what happens when you update?
Dec 04 18:50:18 * oilsworkn has a feeling he started with broken 0.0.1 and never did hte fix
Dec 04 18:50:18 <azakus> oh that
Dec 04 18:50:18 <azakus> ok
Dec 04 18:50:36 <azakus> have it doc'd on the wiki page for fix
Dec 04 18:51:19 <oilsworkn> oh, no, he's got the 9999 problem
Dec 04 18:51:29 <azakus> oh, yeah
Dec 04 18:51:31 <azakus> that would do it
Dec 04 18:58:11 <Mousey> ah ha, missing web pages
Dec 04 19:02:10 <debilater> so, could I get some help then please?
Dec 04 19:02:58 <oilsworkn> didn't you see what i said?
Dec 04 19:03:06 <oilsworkn> [10:48] <+oilsworkn> the form = homebrew app form, or contact for for access to homebrew stuff?
Dec 04 19:03:10 <oilsworkn> [10:49] <+oilsworkn> i do know that deiter processes those things manually, so he may just have not gotten to it yet
Dec 04 19:03:15 <oilsworkn> [10:49] <+oilsworkn> you could always try sending him a PM on precentral asking if he saw your request
Dec 04 19:04:51 <debilater> oilsworkn: sorry nope. I think I used tha last one because I couldn't find a "homebrew app form" anywhere
Dec 04 19:05:10 <debilater> but I can try the pn, ok
Dec 04 19:05:10 <oilsworkn> you think you used the last one?
Dec 04 19:05:19 <Rick_work> debilater  give them 48 hours then use the "contact us" form to ping them
Dec 04 19:05:29 <debilater> there was a form on precentral for access to the subforum
Dec 04 19:07:22 <debilater> ok i'll wait, maybe I', too unpatient ...
Dec 04 19:08:35 <oilsworkn> there used to be another site you could submit homebrew to that would be picked up in preware
Dec 04 19:08:44 <oilsworkn> but PuffTheMagic shut it down
Dec 04 19:12:51 <debilater> i've got a technical question too: i made a service (a daemon written in sh). if I install it to / the preinst script will be executed and start the daemon. if I install to /var (which is what I want), it ignores the preinst script
Dec 04 19:15:24 <oilsworkn> preinst?
Dec 04 19:15:26 <Mousey> SUCCESS!!!
Dec 04 19:15:32 <Mousey> i can so print now
Dec 04 19:15:47 <Mousey> hmm, how do i make a screenshot?
Dec 04 19:15:56 <oilsworkn> orange+sym+p
Dec 04 19:16:14 <debilater> preinst would be executed after installing a ipk package
Dec 04 19:16:36 <oilsworkn> "executed after installing"
Dec 04 19:16:39 <oilsworkn> postinst, not preinst
Dec 04 19:16:55 <debilater> ah
Dec 04 19:17:04 <debilater> damn I'm stupid :)
Dec 04 19:18:07 <Mousey> oops, missing images
Dec 04 19:18:50 <oilsworkn> debilater: what does your service do?
Dec 04 19:20:08 <debilater> it collects traffic stats and writes it to a sqlite db. i have to make it this way because the palm api doesn't provide traffic data and I cannot access the /proc filesystem from an ajax request (I get permission denied if I try). hence the service
Dec 04 19:26:33 <debilater> oilsworkn: ahm - correction, acually I'm using "postinst" and ipkg doesn't execute it
Dec 04 19:26:46 <oilsworkn> how are you installing it?
Dec 04 19:27:09 <debilater> ipkg install com.palm.app.com.debilater.netstat.service_1.0.0.ipk
Dec 04 19:27:24 <oilsworkn> that wont work
Dec 04 19:27:35 <debilater> oilsworkn: that's what I do now, normally I would add -o /var but this ignores the postinst script
Dec 04 19:27:36 <oilsworkn> that doesn't run the postinst
Dec 04 19:27:39 <oilsworkn> only installs the file
Dec 04 19:27:54 <oilsworkn> the postinst is manually ran by preware or quickinstall
Dec 04 19:28:00 <oilsworkn> when the package is formatted in the standard way
Dec 04 19:28:42 <debilater> if I install it this way to / it gets executed, because the daemon runs after installation
Dec 04 19:29:13 <debilater> however - to test it with preware I'd have to submit it :)
Dec 04 19:29:48 <oilsworkn> well submitting it to precentrals gallery isn't going to help you
Dec 04 19:29:49 <oilsworkn> well
Dec 04 19:29:56 <oilsworkn> it is but its going to cause a lot of problems
Dec 04 19:30:14 <oilsworkn> if you put it in precentrals gallery, it will be picked up by filecoaster
Dec 04 19:30:18 <oilsworkn> which can't install advanced homebrew
Dec 04 19:30:21 <oilsworkn> (eg: postinsts)
Dec 04 19:30:45 <oilsworkn> you want to talk to rwhitby about getting your package setup correctly
Dec 04 19:30:58 <oilsworkn> i wasn't able to find anything on the wiki about how the postinst/prerem should be setup
Dec 04 19:31:07 <debilater> ok
Dec 04 19:31:27 <debilater> I will ask him
Dec 04 19:32:09 <oilsworkn> i dont think he is around yet
Dec 04 19:32:16 <oilsworkn> due to being in australia
Dec 04 19:34:13 <Mousey> ok, almost there
Dec 04 19:34:43 <destinal> laforge sums up some issues with the catalog (and preware saves the day) nicely in:  http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/12/04/#20091204-palm_preware_catalog
Dec 04 19:39:36 <oilsworkn> destinal: yeah, preware saves the day all the time
Dec 04 19:43:31 <egaudet_work> ipkg install should never be used
Dec 04 19:44:01 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 04 19:44:13 <oilsworkn> debilater: egaudet_work knows about postinsts too
Dec 04 19:44:41 <egaudet_work> ipkg normally does run postinst so ipkg install will run it as you have seen, but ipkg -o /var is in "offline root" mode so doesn't run postinst.  The advanced installers (preware, quick install) manually run the postinst scripts.
Dec 04 19:44:41 <debilater> egaudet_work: so what should I use instead?
Dec 04 19:45:04 <egaudet_work> if you install command line, you have to use ipkg -o /var install and then sh /path/to/postinst
Dec 04 19:45:11 <debilater> yes I saw the "offline root" message of it
Dec 04 19:45:23 <egaudet_work> path to postinst can be found, /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/<package_id>.postinst
Dec 04 19:45:47 <Mousey> FOR GREAT JUSTICE: http://tinyurl.com/yj2mbgr
Dec 04 19:45:55 <debilater> ok, then once the app made it into the preware catalog postinst would be executed then?
Dec 04 19:46:00 <Mousey> also: http://tinyurl.com/ygo6k5q
Dec 04 19:46:13 <egaudet_work> sorry Mousey I am unable to read sideways
Dec 04 19:46:19 <egaudet_work> :p
Dec 04 19:46:22 <Mousey> =P
Dec 04 19:46:41 <egaudet_work> debilater, only advanced installers are capable of executing the postinst
Dec 04 19:47:15 <egaudet_work> if you submit it to precentral you should click the "root required" option or whatever so filecoaster will not install it
Dec 04 19:48:16 <oilsworkn> Mousey: i was expecting a picture of the printer printing a screenshot from your phone
Dec 04 19:48:17 <egaudet_work> postinst/prerm make a package "advanced" homebrew.  There is no stock way to run a script via WebOS for security purposes
Dec 04 19:48:55 <debilater> yes i know that
Dec 04 19:49:19 <Mousey> sorry, fixed
Dec 04 19:49:40 <Mousey> oilsworkn: you know what i had to go thru to get the web page working!?
Dec 04 19:49:52 <Mousey> actual printing will have to wait til i can get on a wifi network
Dec 04 19:49:56 <oilsworkn> yeah Mousey, i was getting taco-neck looking at your screenshot
Dec 04 19:49:58 <Mousey> BUT SEE IF I DON'T!
Dec 04 19:50:00 <debilater> but is there  special link where to submit or di i have to wait unzil someone responds to my contact form post yesterday
Dec 04 19:50:31 <oilsworkn> wifi?
Dec 04 19:50:34 <oilsworkn> print over evdo
Dec 04 19:50:35 <oilsworkn> srsly
Dec 04 19:50:35 <egaudet_work> not sure I've never submitted anything to precentral
Dec 04 19:50:47 <oilsworkn> then you can print something while driving home to walk in and pick it up
Dec 04 19:51:04 <oilsworkn> yeah, debilater there is a special section in their CMS
Dec 04 19:51:26 <Mousey> oilsworkn: yah, that's my goal actually, but i have to configure it securely
Dec 04 19:51:27 <egaudet_work> You may also want to talk to rwhitby if you would like to host it on webos-internals repository
Dec 04 19:51:35 <Mousey> first i get it working, then i'll figure out that part
Dec 04 19:51:36 <oilsworkn> secure?!?
Dec 04 19:51:41 <oilsworkn> security is for the paranoid
Dec 04 19:51:50 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 04 19:51:58 <Mousey> just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after your toner
Dec 04 19:52:11 <Mousey> imagine 4chan finding an internet printer?
Dec 04 19:52:16 <Mousey> i think not!
Dec 04 19:52:17 <oilsworkn> i would actually be interrested to see what kind of awesome stuff random people would send through my printer
Dec 04 19:52:27 <oilsworkn> not like i can't just turn it off if it gets out of control
Dec 04 19:52:35 <Mousey> oilsworkn: if you're there ;)
Dec 04 19:52:40 <egaudet_work> I once got an errant fax to my cell phone
Dec 04 19:52:50 <oilsworkn> even so, it can only print so much
Dec 04 19:52:50 <Mousey> hmmmmmmm
Dec 04 19:52:55 <oilsworkn> the ink and paper already in it
Dec 04 19:52:55 <Mousey> Pre Halifax!
Dec 04 19:52:56 <debilater> oilsworkn: i cant find such a section
Dec 04 19:53:12 <oilsworkn> not like its going to kill me or anything
Dec 04 19:53:16 <egaudet_work> debilater, out of curiosity what are you submitting?
Dec 04 19:53:39 <oilsworkn> debilater: if you had it, you would have to log into the homepage (seperate from the forums)
Dec 04 19:53:47 <oilsworkn> and it would be a link on the right column
Dec 04 19:56:33 <debilater> egaudet_work: well it basicly displays network traffic you have on the phone
Dec 04 19:58:28 <hckyplayer024> can someone help me with GNUboy?
Dec 04 20:00:15 <Mousey> yah, some dude, jaDaGod or somehting
Dec 04 20:00:23 <Mousey> he's been messing with just that
Dec 04 20:01:07 <dBsooner-work> oil: you there?
Dec 04 20:03:36 <hckyplayer024> im trying to setup DirectFB in Debian and this is the error Im getting http://webos.pastebin.com/d4921bdd5
Dec 04 20:04:44 <Mousey> hckyplayer024:   404 Not Found
Dec 04 20:04:56 <Mousey> it looks like the packages your looking for (the specific versions probably) don't exist
Dec 04 20:04:59 <Mousey> try apt-get update first
Dec 04 20:06:19 <hckyplayer024> mousey thanks its updating right now
Dec 04 20:06:42 <Mousey> ^_^
Dec 04 20:06:53 * Mousey has a special place in his heart just for debian
Dec 04 20:07:48 <hckyplayer024> perfect!
Dec 04 20:08:47 <hckyplayer024> although it freezes after i do cat > /etc/directfbrc
Dec 04 20:08:47 <hckyplayer024> mode=320x480
Dec 04 20:08:48 <hckyplayer024> pixelformat=ARGB
Dec 04 20:08:48 <hckyplayer024> no-vt
Dec 04 20:08:48 <hckyplayer024> no-cursor
Dec 04 20:08:48 <hckyplayer024> bg-color=00000000
Dec 04 20:08:50 <hckyplayer024> hardware
Dec 04 20:09:09 <Mousey> well then don't do that! ^_^
Dec 04 20:09:21 <Mousey> wait
Dec 04 20:09:24 <Mousey> freezes?
Dec 04 20:09:27 <hckyplayer024> it says I have to
Dec 04 20:09:27 <Mousey> what about ctrl-d?
Dec 04 20:09:44 <hckyplayer024> oh ctrl-D works
Dec 04 20:09:52 <Mousey> ^_^
Dec 04 20:10:04 <Mousey> make sure that file doesn't have extra stuff
Dec 04 20:10:06 <Mousey> in fact
Dec 04 20:10:10 <Mousey> do the whole cat > thing again
Dec 04 20:10:13 <hckyplayer024> so I'm done with directfb now?
Dec 04 20:10:23 <Mousey> to the cat > /etc/dirwhatever thing again
Dec 04 20:10:32 <hckyplayer024> Yeah I did
Dec 04 20:10:35 <Mousey> and when it finishes pasting, on a new line, do ctrl-d
Dec 04 20:10:44 <Mousey> one more time!
Dec 04 20:10:47 <Mousey> wax on, wax off1
Dec 04 20:10:49 <Mousey> !!
Dec 04 20:10:51 <hckyplayer024> lol
Dec 04 20:11:26 <hckyplayer024> so I just have to do cat > /etc/directfbrc ?
Dec 04 20:11:32 <hckyplayer024> with the stuff below it
Dec 04 20:11:39 <hckyplayer024> but that stuff doesnt show up in terminal
Dec 04 20:13:15 <hckyplayer024> mousey: can I just VI into that file and type the stuff I need in there?
Dec 04 20:13:23 <Mousey> yep
Dec 04 20:13:33 <hckyplayer024> okay I think thats easier
Dec 04 20:14:01 <Mousey> Way #2456214362345145234614 To Skin A Cat
Dec 04 20:46:52 <noaXess_kubuntu> hi
Dec 04 20:47:03 <Mousey> ssh
Dec 04 20:47:06 <Mousey> shh!
Dec 04 20:47:11 <Mousey> we're lurking
Dec 04 20:47:33 <noaXess_kubuntu> is there a tool to switch themes if I have installed more then one?
Dec 04 20:47:36 <hckyplayer024> Mousey: quick question, so it seems I have everything working, I just want to be able to use those scripts, what directory do I want to put debian.sh and gameboy.sh in and where do I want to put my roms?
Dec 04 20:47:51 <Mousey> that one, i have no idea
Dec 04 20:48:38 <en0x> noaXess_kubuntu, u can have one theme at a time
Dec 04 20:49:40 <noaXess_kubuntu> yes I know, but how to switch to another or will the installed one removed if I install a new oneN
Dec 04 20:51:40 <DarkSpecter> uninstall old theme, install new, done
Dec 04 20:53:52 <noaXess_kubuntu> ok
Dec 04 20:54:30 <DarkSpecter> iirc installing moer than one theme can get messy
Dec 04 20:54:47 <DarkSpecter> might need to doctor to get back to a sane state
Dec 04 20:58:41 <Templarian> http://templarian.com/clients/preware/ Mind looking this over.
Dec 04 21:11:23 <hckyplayer024> success!!! got gameboy working!!!
Dec 04 21:11:45 <hckyplayer024> now I just need to figure out the scripts
Dec 04 21:15:48 <rwhitby> debilater: ping
Dec 04 21:17:23 <DarkSpecter> Templarian: looks great
Dec 04 21:17:31 <DarkSpecter> gz
Dec 04 21:18:15 <rwhitby> Mousey: how's the printing going?
Dec 04 21:24:41 <gkatsev> what happened to the flashlight app anyway?
Dec 04 21:24:44 <hckyplayer024> can someone help me with figuring out the scripts for gnuboy?
Dec 04 21:31:21 <rwhitby> gkatsev: PreGame is in the process of renaming the service and putting it in the webos-internals feed
Dec 04 21:31:58 <gkatsev> rwhitby: ah, cool
Dec 04 21:34:26 <hckyplayer024> rwhitby: can you help me with the script on webos-internals to get into debian?
Dec 04 21:34:44 <rwhitby> hckyplayer024: nope, never tried it.
Dec 04 21:34:57 <Templarian> rwhitby: Does the site look complete enough to replace what is currently there?
Dec 04 21:35:35 <rwhitby> Templarian: looking at it now - very impressed.
Dec 04 21:35:35 <hckyplayer024> to run a script all I need to do is chmod 755 script.sh right?
Dec 04 21:36:02 <rwhitby> Templarian: I think we can remove the disclaimer box altogether now, cause we know that Palm knows that we're doing the right thing.
Dec 04 21:36:13 <gkatsev> rwhitby: as i suggested to Templarian earlier, you should be able to register your phone with preware someone and then when browsing online be able to push installs to the phone. that would be awesome, especially, if it worked over evdo.
Dec 04 21:36:44 <Templarian> Yea that's what I was thinking. hehe. Done.
Dec 04 21:45:14 <destinal> rwhitby: is the preware installer fully standalone or does it need novacomd to be running?
Dec 04 21:45:36 <destinal> I've used it but always had novacomd anyway from sdk
Dec 04 21:46:11 <rwhitby> destinal: it needs novacomd for the .jar - I think it is stand-alone for the .exe
Dec 04 21:46:21 <rwhitby> but not sure - never run it.
Dec 04 21:48:36 <destinal> Templarian: the install instructions should probably mention installing novacomd  to cover the linux platform  (since doctor doesn't automatically do that for linux afaik)
Dec 04 21:49:21 <Templarian> destinal: the content is still being decided on was just showing it overall mostly.
Dec 04 21:49:22 <destinal> in fact, it would be nice if there was a novacomd standalone installer for windows to avoid needing the massive download
Dec 04 21:49:32 <destinal> Templarian: ah, ok
Dec 04 21:49:37 <rwhitby> gkatsev: my mind boggles at the security implications of your application push suggestion ;-)
Dec 04 21:50:02 <rwhitby> destinal: I've been asking Palm for separate novacomd install packages.
Dec 04 21:50:28 <rwhitby> destinal: but I can see that they would have to get the support organisation to agree to that ..
Dec 04 21:50:32 <Rick_work> application push.  Lovely idea.  i will write a spam engine and them app push it to every pre running preware...  :-)
Dec 04 21:50:41 <gkatsev> rwhitby: hehe, yeah, but you must admit that it would be cool. but yeah, probably hard to do with little to no security holes.
Dec 04 21:50:53 <destinal> gkatsev: why not just allow downloads from the web?
Dec 04 21:51:46 <gkatsev> destinal: as in, i want to be able to browse the catalog online, say preware.org and then hit install and have it be installing on my phone without connection to the computer
Dec 04 21:52:00 <destinal> gkatsev: ah
Dec 04 21:52:22 <gkatsev> cuz otherwise i can just use WQI
Dec 04 21:52:34 <destinal> gkatsev: we could do that, actually, if there were the ability to log in to preware.org
Dec 04 21:53:16 <destinal> and then use the pub/sub web services stuff in preware
Dec 04 21:54:23 <destinal> I could see doing it securely, it would just take some server side code
Dec 04 21:54:36 <destinal> (and client / preware of course)
Dec 04 21:55:09 <destinal> I don't know if the number of people who want it would necessarily be worth the effort
Dec 04 21:55:31 <gkatsev> yeah, i guess not.
Dec 04 21:58:20 <destinal> it WOULD however, allow one killer feature wirelessly without WQI, which would be the ability to click an IPK online, have a browser plugin that told the preware site to tell preware to install said IPK.   Then again, that would discourage the central repository thing which I think is rather nice to have
Dec 04 22:00:39 <Mousey> rwhitby: well the web frontend works, gotta printer installed. can't test til i get home tho
Dec 04 22:00:58 <Mousey> a postinst script in gconv-modules is haunting me
Dec 04 22:01:02 <Mousey> but it's a ln to /lib
Dec 04 22:01:10 <gkatsev> ive been using preware only except for installing it, cuz i dont want to plug my device in. (used WQI to install)
Dec 04 22:01:41 <Mousey> the real trick i think will be actually getting something into the print queue
Dec 04 22:02:05 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: I pimped out Preware to a Sprint Repair Center today
Dec 04 22:02:15 <dBsooner-work> my buddy that owns 4 Sprint stores in town
Dec 04 22:02:22 <dBsooner-work> 2 of them are Authorized Repair Center's
Dec 04 22:02:34 <dBsooner-work> He immediately sent an email to all his co-workers
Dec 04 22:02:45 <dBsooner-work> s/co-workers/employees/
Dec 04 22:02:45 <infobot> dBsooner-work meant: He immediately sent an email to all his employees
Dec 04 22:03:11 <dBsooner-work> install.preware.org
Dec 04 22:03:21 <rwhitby> "Dear employees, if you see someone called dBsooner enter the store again, please have him escorted from the premises immediately" ;-)
Dec 04 22:04:12 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: now we just need to work on getting them to pre-install it on refurbished phones :-)
Dec 04 22:04:44 <dBsooner-work> lol
Dec 04 22:05:07 <dBsooner-work> I was basically trying to convince him to install it during the "setup" process
Dec 04 22:05:31 <dBsooner-work> Since they aren't a Corporate store, they get away with a little more.. They also like to go a little further when you buy a phone from them.
Dec 04 22:05:36 <dBsooner-work> Or even when they repair it for you.
Dec 04 22:06:00 <dBsooner-work> If we can get the install process a quick one or two step process, he would do it no problem.
Dec 04 22:06:37 <gkatsev> does the .exe file require dev mode?
Dec 04 22:06:41 <gkatsev> i guess it would
Dec 04 22:06:55 <dBsooner-work> requires the SDK too, right?
Dec 04 22:07:02 <dBsooner-work> bc of the novacom driver
Dec 04 22:08:01 <dBsooner-work> dang @palm and not releasing the novacom driver under GPL or something.
Dec 04 22:08:23 <gkatsev> hm... says just java and webOSdr
Dec 04 22:08:39 <dBsooner-work> webosdr is where it gets the driver then
Dec 04 22:08:46 <gkatsev> yeah
Dec 04 22:08:52 <gkatsev> it has the drivers
Dec 04 22:09:11 <gkatsev> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_Preware_Installer
Dec 04 22:10:10 <dBsooner-work> maybe we can get chuqui to accidentally on purpose slip a preware ipk into one of the webos core devels mod box one night when no one is looking..
Dec 04 22:10:23 <dBsooner-work> then one fine day a magical OTA installs it to everyone's pre
Dec 04 22:10:23 <gkatsev> haha, that would be great.
Dec 04 22:10:44 <gkatsev> webos 1.3.3?
Dec 04 22:10:51 <dBsooner-work> chuqui: you down?
Dec 04 22:11:00 <gkatsev> list of fixes: installed preware
Dec 04 22:11:00 * Mousey puts on seatbealt
Dec 04 22:11:02 <Mousey> belt, even
Dec 04 22:11:23 <Mousey> can preware be added to the main app catalog instead? ^_^
Dec 04 22:11:33 <dBsooner-work> One could only wish
Dec 04 22:11:35 <chuqui> maybe....
Dec 04 22:11:42 <dBsooner-work> if it didn't require IPKGService..
Dec 04 22:11:47 <Mousey> gah! maybe to WHICH?!
Dec 04 22:11:57 <Mousey> i see
Dec 04 22:13:05 <Mousey> i wonder how hard it would be to repackage cups for pre.. (re)packaging it seems harder than actually getting it working.. but then, i'm a big wimp, so who knows
Dec 04 22:13:32 <jauderho> well if palm were to ship ipkgservice, then preware could be added to the app catalog
Dec 04 22:13:33 <Mousey> so many deps, too tho. =/
Dec 04 22:14:15 <Mousey> so preware and ipkgservice can't feasably be bundled together somehow? some elaborate install(+payload) script perhaps?
Dec 04 22:19:17 <dBsooner-work> mousey, its not that.. palm won't accept soemthing that uses stuff outside the official API's
Dec 04 22:19:27 <Mousey> i see
Dec 04 22:19:43 <dBsooner-work> or they would deny it just to spite rwhitby.
Dec 04 22:19:48 <dBsooner-work> :z
Dec 04 22:21:38 <jauderho> heh
Dec 04 22:22:36 <rwhitby> Mousey: there is a bright line of security and liability that Palm needs to maintain for the App Catalog.  Preware allows that line to be crossed in a way that Palm cannot reasonable control.  So getting Preware into the App Catalog is an undertaking where the biggest hurdles are not the technical ones.
Dec 04 22:23:03 <jauderho> is anyone on the channel running a) cpu-scaling patches and b) comfortable enough with the command to try some changes? I'm testing some changes and want more people to test this.
Dec 04 22:23:04 <Mousey> yah. that's suddenly apparent
Dec 04 22:23:15 <jauderho> s/command/cmd line/
Dec 04 22:23:15 <infobot> jauderho meant: is anyone on the channel running a) cpu-scaling patches and b) comfortable enough with the cmd line to try some changes? I'm testing some changes and want more people to test this.
Dec 04 22:24:26 <chuqui> I would also note that there are advantages to having multiple groups deciding what is available. If you put preware in the app catalog, it then becomes beholden to the catalog rules, which then means ultimately there's only one deciding voice on what you can see.
Dec 04 22:25:17 * Mousey prefers preware keep its street cred
Dec 04 22:25:19 <Mousey> ^_^
Dec 04 22:26:15 <egaudet_work> Mousey, way back when you said you had error with gconv postinst something or other... did you remount / as rw?
Dec 04 22:28:09 <Mousey> no, that's my fix for it, just haven't tried it.. stupid day job
Dec 04 22:35:53 <jauderho> rwhitby: ping. check your msg.
Dec 04 22:51:13 <jauderho> FYI. If you do not have a new 1.3.x (where x is more than 1) branch in your local git repo and wondering how to pull it down from git
Dec 04 22:51:16 <jauderho> do the following.
Dec 04 22:51:28 <jauderho> git fetch origin webos-1.3.x:webos-1.3.x    (replace x as appropriate)
Dec 04 22:51:38 <jauderho> took me a while to figure that out.
Dec 04 23:12:09 <jauderho> has anyone tried cross compiling for the pre yet?
Dec 04 23:12:53 <jauderho> trying to compile a bin and not sure how best to include missing libs/headers.
Dec 04 23:21:03 <ird> jauderho: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Cross_Compiling
Dec 04 23:21:29 <rwhitby> oil: http://www.top10.co.uk/mobilephones/blog/2009/12/top_10_homebrew_apps_for_the_palm_pre/
Dec 04 23:22:26 <rwhitby> jauderho: preware/build.git does the cross-compiling for preware linux apps and plugins
Dec 04 23:23:10 <jauderho> rwhitby: I have most of a cross compile env setup already. but am missing ncurses libs.
Dec 04 23:23:41 <jauderho> rwhitby: was going to try to get powertop to compile for arm.
Dec 04 23:23:56 <rwhitby> jauderho: have you looked at the optware setup?
Dec 04 23:24:09 <jauderho> no
Dec 04 23:24:09 <rwhitby> or OpenEmbedded?
Dec 04 23:24:32 <rwhitby> jauderho: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware
Dec 04 23:24:36 <jauderho> have not followed that at all.
Dec 04 23:24:55 <rwhitby> cs08q1armel is the target for the Pre
Dec 04 23:25:09 <rwhitby> s/target/platform/
Dec 04 23:25:09 <infobot> rwhitby meant: cs08q1armel is the platform for the Pre
Dec 04 23:25:34 <rwhitby> there is also a 'pre' platform for kernel modules, and an i686g25 platform for the emulator
Dec 04 23:26:38 <rwhitby> jauderho: then you could contribute powertop to http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/
Dec 04 23:27:04 <jauderho> looking at it now..
Dec 04 23:27:17 <jauderho> need a big can of coke to read through this =)
Dec 04 23:28:22 <jauderho> let me take a look at it.
Dec 04 23:30:36 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: you got #1 and #7: http://www.top10.co.uk/mobilephones/blog/2009/12/top_10_homebrew_apps_for_the_palm_pre/
Dec 04 23:31:27 <oilsworkn> yeah, i saw that
Dec 04 23:31:33 * oilsworkn has a google alert set on preware
Dec 04 23:32:28 * Mousey fixes gconv-modules post-inst with remount,rw
Dec 04 23:32:45 * oilsworkn wonders if Mousey has printed anything yet
Dec 04 23:32:53 <Mousey> no! gotta go home first!
Dec 04 23:33:02 * Mousey waves fist at stupid corporate network with no wifi
Dec 04 23:33:22 <oilsworkn> Templarian: no awesome side-slide animation on screenshot viewer?
Dec 04 23:35:03 <oilsworkn> Templarian: and a bit of a personal pet peeve about screenshots, don't have crap in the notificaion area when you go to take them unless the notification area is where the app is you want to show off
Dec 04 23:35:17 <oilsworkn> i don't need to know you've got email
Dec 04 23:35:56 <Templarian> oilsworkn: the screenshots are from the precentral feed.
Dec 04 23:36:34 <oilsworkn> i didn't mean to blame you for them
Dec 04 23:36:40 <oilsworkn> i mean, don't use shots that have them
Dec 04 23:37:10 * Mousey keeps getting foiled by cgi
Dec 04 23:37:13 <Templarian> Oh yea I know, I wasn't really caring about them since I'll be pulling it from the feed once we get it working.
Dec 04 23:37:27 <Templarian> Also I already have the transitions coded.
Dec 04 23:37:34 <Templarian> Just didn't implement it yet.
Dec 04 23:37:47 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: zsoc is gonna be so happy
Dec 04 23:37:58 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: i am creating doxygen docs for precorderD :D
Dec 04 23:38:00 * oilsworkn has precorder bug to report!
Dec 04 23:38:08 <oilsworkn> but it doesn't have trac!
Dec 04 23:38:14 <oilsworkn> xD
Dec 04 23:38:44 <oilsworkn> if you go to appmenu>prefs
Dec 04 23:38:48 <oilsworkn> frmo the prefs scene you can appmenu>prefs
Dec 04 23:38:50 <oilsworkn> then appmenu>prefs
Dec 04 23:38:52 <oilsworkn> then appmenu>prefs
Dec 04 23:38:53 <oilsworkn> forever
Dec 04 23:38:55 <Templarian> oilsworkn: we are hopefully planning to make the install guidelines on the site the official ones when they are written up. Do you think I should seperate them into OS?
Dec 04 23:39:15 <oilsworkn> os?
Dec 04 23:39:22 <oilsworkn> oh
Dec 04 23:39:25 <oilsworkn> idk
Dec 04 23:41:09 <Templarian> (I'm redoing the site atm, rwhitby thought it would be best to keep the main page as a feature marketing purpose screen)
Dec 04 23:41:33 <oilsworkn> and have install on a seperate page
Dec 04 23:41:35 * oilsworkn agrees
Dec 04 23:41:53 <Templarian> Yep. I agreed also it's the best way.
Dec 05 00:09:58 <jauderho> ARGH.
Dec 05 00:11:09 <egaudet> where are all my contacts?  I thought Palm backed those up
Dec 05 00:13:59 <jauderho> okay. after jumping through a whole bunch of hoops. powertop does not run on the pre out -the-box.
Dec 05 00:14:10 <jauderho> looks like the kernel needs to be recompiled to show stats.
Dec 05 00:19:32 <destinal> jauderho: can you just compile and install a module for it?
Dec 05 00:20:04 <jauderho> not sure right now. looking at it.
Dec 05 00:20:07 <jauderho> see http://wiki.davincidsp.com/index.php/Running_PowerTOP_on_OMAP35x_platform
Dec 05 00:20:31 <jauderho> I also just got an email back from the chap over TI that made the patch for it.
Dec 05 00:20:41 <jauderho> interestingly, he uses a Pre =)
Dec 05 00:22:53 <tlp> This is totally unscientific, but I think I'm getting better battery life with the stock battery since I switched to the touchstone
Dec 05 00:23:52 <tlp> I left wifi/bluetooth on and had an ~82% charge after 9 hours
Dec 05 00:26:14 <jauderho> oh wait
Dec 05 00:26:15 <jauderho> it works.
Dec 05 00:26:30 <jauderho> I was not running it as root =)
Dec 05 00:28:09 <jauderho> for anyone interested in the output.
Dec 05 00:28:10 <jauderho> http://webos.pastebin.com/m39a44cd8
Dec 05 00:28:59 <jauderho> no idea what gp timer is.
Dec 05 00:32:40 <destinal> jauderho: awesome
Dec 05 00:32:44 <xaiki`> jauderho: it's a timer for userland apps that want to wake up.
Dec 05 00:33:33 <jauderho> xaiki`: k. looks like powertop threw out some recommendations too..
Dec 05 00:33:51 <xaiki`> jauderho: this basically accounts for all the apps that yielded waiting on a fd or just scheduled a wakeup.
Dec 05 00:34:22 <xaiki`> noatime could help.
Dec 05 00:34:34 <xaiki`> the first one shouldn't matter.
Dec 05 00:34:36 <jauderho> well, i think that's an error
Dec 05 00:34:44 <xaiki`> I'm not sure HPET is available for that arch =)
Dec 05 00:34:54 <jauderho>  /etc/fstab claims to mount root as noatime
Dec 05 00:35:22 <xaiki`> and I'm sure that ACPI_BATTERY doesn't exist for that arch =)
Dec 05 00:35:27 <jauderho> although mount is saying otherwise.
Dec 05 00:35:33 <xaiki`> trust mount.
Dec 05 00:35:44 <xaiki`> maybe something -o remount ed
Dec 05 00:36:05 <destinal> ~seen ameng
Dec 05 00:36:06 <infobot> ameng is currently on #maemo (21h 17m 4s) #webos-internals (21h 17m 4s). Has said a total of 11 messages. Is idling for 20h 59m 45s, last said: 'jebba: thanks'.
Dec 05 00:37:22 <jauderho> xaiki`:  what does mount say on your pre?
Dec 05 00:37:35 <jauderho> just so that it's not just my pre acting crazy
Dec 05 00:37:38 <xaiki`> jauderho: I need a gps app called 'find your pre in your room'
Dec 05 00:37:59 <jauderho> it's called, use someone else's phone to call your pre
Dec 05 00:38:25 <xaiki`> I doubt my housemates would appreciate that at 1h30 am =) but I'll say you've sent me.
Dec 05 00:38:47 <jauderho> hahaha
Dec 05 00:38:51 <xaiki`> jauderho: (rw) here
Dec 05 00:41:09 <jauderho> strange
Dec 05 00:41:21 <xaiki`> powerd seems to be remounting it on wakeup
Dec 05 00:41:31 <jauderho> mount -o remount,rw,noatime /   seems to have no effect
Dec 05 00:41:47 <jauderho> time to file a bug?
Dec 05 00:41:55 <xaiki`> /dev/mapper/store-root on / type ext3 (ro,noatime,data=ordered)
Dec 05 00:41:55 <xaiki`>  
Dec 05 00:43:09 <jauderho> could be LVM mapping strangeness.
Dec 05 00:43:20 <xaiki`> that said, it shouldn't change all too much.
Dec 05 00:43:26 <xaiki`> we're writting on flash, it's cheap energy wise.
Dec 05 00:49:33 <xaiki`> jauderho: so I guess you have a xcompile environment right ?
Dec 05 00:49:39 <xaiki`> jauderho: any tricks to get there ?
Dec 05 00:50:12 <jauderho> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Cross_Compiling
Dec 05 00:51:09 <jauderho> also see this http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels
Dec 05 00:51:24 <jauderho> I set my env up based on Custom Kernels.
Dec 05 00:51:44 <jauderho> getting powertop to compile was kind of painful but it does work
Dec 05 01:05:15 <Decimate> anyone think a video recorder from palm will come before 2.0?
Dec 05 01:12:01 <gkatsev> Decimate: how many versions of webos do you think there will be before 2.0?
Dec 05 01:12:14 <oil> 1 million
Dec 05 01:12:22 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 05 01:12:26 <oil> the real question is
Dec 05 01:12:38 <oil> does anyone think people will ever stop asking about a video recorder
Dec 05 01:13:09 <destinal> ok, this is bizarre.  my regular phone handset speaker seems to have stopped working, and so has audio playback through the back speaker, but headphone out works and speaker mode works.  odd.   maybe my phone thinks that headphones are constantly plugged in even when they're not?
Dec 05 01:13:31 <oil> destinal: mine does that all the time
Dec 05 01:13:35 <destinal> s/speaker mode/speakerphone mode/
Dec 05 01:13:35 <infobot> destinal meant: ok, this is bizarre.  my regular phone handset speaker seems to have stopped working, and so has audio playback through the back speaker, but headphone out works and speakerphone mode works.  odd.   maybe my phone thinks that headphones are constantly plu...
Dec 05 01:14:03 <oil> the fix i've found, is to play some music, then plug and unplug the headset till the music stops
Dec 05 01:14:11 <oil> and pressing play makes it come out through the speaker in the back
Dec 05 01:14:39 <destinal> ah, so, the sensor is sometimes less than brilliant.
Dec 05 01:14:52 <oil> it happens to me every few days
Dec 05 01:15:11 * DarkSpecter wonders if paln will start using the gpu before 2.0/pre2 ;)
Dec 05 01:15:35 <mobgod> what is paln
Dec 05 01:15:39 <destinal> sigh, build quality issues again.   "pre" was well named?  ;)
Dec 05 01:15:39 <mobgod> :)
Dec 05 01:15:50 <oil> destinal: lol
Dec 05 01:16:00 <mobgod> sup oil
Dec 05 01:16:06 <oil> nm
Dec 05 01:16:11 <mobgod> i hear ya
Dec 05 01:16:17 <DarkSpecter> paln = palm when i'm drunk :P
Dec 05 01:16:21 <oil> you hear me?
Dec 05 01:16:25 <mobgod> lol @ DarkSpecter
Dec 05 01:16:27 <oil> is my typing that loud
Dec 05 01:16:36 <mobgod> kinda
Dec 05 01:16:57 * mobgod turns speakers down
Dec 05 01:17:55 <destinal> oil: no dice. music will stop every few removes but never play on the back speaker after
Dec 05 01:18:05 <oil> huh
Dec 05 01:18:05 <destinal> may be a visit to sprint store
Dec 05 01:18:09 <oil> that always fixes it for me
Dec 05 01:18:10 <mobgod> well i'm off have a good one all
Dec 05 01:18:19 <oil> the first time it happened i took it to the sprint store
Dec 05 01:18:23 <oil> and dude was messin with it
Dec 05 01:18:30 <oil> then as soon as he got through to palm it started working
Dec 05 01:19:15 <destinal> oil: ah, cool.  fixed it but it took more like a dozen removes and reinserts
Dec 05 01:19:25 <oil> yeah
Dec 05 01:19:40 <dBsooner> rwhitby: don't take this the wrong way, but, how was your shower?
Dec 05 01:19:41 <oil> for me sometimes its only a few other times it seems like forever
Dec 05 01:19:47 <oil> ohh
Dec 05 01:20:01 <jauderho> dBsooner: there is no good way to take that.
Dec 05 01:20:05 <oil> lol
Dec 05 01:20:08 <dBsooner> :D
Dec 05 01:20:20 <dBsooner> Sure there is.. He, like most people, does most of his good thinking in the shower.
Dec 05 01:20:33 <dBsooner> And he was supposed to come up with a solution to a problem we have.
Dec 05 01:20:36 <jauderho> but I dont want to know about it.
Dec 05 01:20:43 <destinal> lol, like, how was your walk, or how was your coffee...
Dec 05 01:20:50 <dBsooner> jauderho: GUTTER! NO!
Dec 05 01:20:51 <destinal> how was your brain surgery?
Dec 05 01:21:24 <oil> lol
Dec 05 01:21:32 <dBsooner> So, a man can ask a female, say Adora, how her shower was, but cannot ask another man how his shower was?
Dec 05 01:21:47 <oil> correct
Dec 05 01:21:53 <dBsooner> Interesting.
Dec 05 01:21:58 <JMyaDaGod> finally got GNUboy working!!!!
Dec 05 01:22:01 * dBsooner goes back to uses his wIRC on the toilet.
Dec 05 01:22:17 <oil> gnuboy: meh
Dec 05 01:22:20 <dBsooner> wIRC it gets sh!t down.
Dec 05 01:22:24 <dBsooner> s/down/done/
Dec 05 01:22:26 <infobot> dBsooner meant: wIRC it gets sh!t done.
Dec 05 01:22:42 <oil> someone needs to make a handhield emulator that runs in-card via plugin
Dec 05 01:22:45 <destinal> oil: hmm, rock solid audio output stuff now
Dec 05 01:23:00 <destinal> handhield?
Dec 05 01:23:06 <oil> or whatever
Dec 05 01:23:15 <oil> videogame emulator
Dec 05 01:23:19 <destinal> ah
Dec 05 01:23:19 <DarkSpecter> crap, my sound system just died
Dec 05 01:24:19 <dBsooner> DarkSpecter: use wIRC.. it gets crap done.
Dec 05 01:24:25 <JMyaDaGod> oil: what u mean videogame emulator like what system?
Dec 05 01:24:33 <oil> like any
Dec 05 01:24:45 <JMyaDaGod> like gameboy?
Dec 05 01:25:04 <oil> whatever
Dec 05 01:25:06 <DarkSpecter> dBsooner: this is probably the only thing wIRC cant help me with ;)
Dec 05 01:25:21 <dBsooner> dang.. I thought wIRC was the answer to everything.
Dec 05 01:25:29 <oil> dBsooner dont let him lie to you
Dec 05 01:25:30 <oil> it is
Dec 05 01:25:46 <DarkSpecter> no thats 42, but wIRC cones in a close 2nd ;)
Dec 05 01:26:02 <DarkSpecter> s/cones/comes/
Dec 05 01:26:02 <infobot> DarkSpecter meant: no thats 42, but wIRC comes in a close 2nd ;)
Dec 05 01:27:27 <rick_home> so, hoe for the weekend.   Lots of work tho
Dec 05 01:27:43 <xaiki`> hum, what bus is the GPU on ?
Dec 05 01:28:11 <rick_home> got this great idea for a wirc enhancement.  Voice Wirc.  No reading required.
Dec 05 01:28:31 <oil> lolol
Dec 05 01:28:44 <DarkSpecter> s/voice/telepathy/
Dec 05 01:28:51 <DarkSpecter> no hearing required ;)
Dec 05 01:29:01 <oil> just what i want
Dec 05 01:29:10 <oil> what dbsooner says spoken aloud in a robot voice
Dec 05 01:29:20 <oil> "hey rwhitby: how was your shower"
Dec 05 01:29:22 <dBsooner> That would awesome!
Dec 05 01:29:35 <oil> why is stephen hawking asking how rwhitbys shower was?
Dec 05 01:30:02 <oil> and reading is faster then having something read to you
Dec 05 01:30:12 <oil> you would eventually be lines and lines behind the conversation
Dec 05 01:35:24 <oc80> whats good
Dec 05 01:45:45 <rick_home> So, do we think that artifex is being idiotic or did palm mis-read the license for the pdf renderer?
Dec 05 01:54:38 <oil> rick_home: idk
Dec 05 01:57:35 <rick_home> Looking at the artifex site, I'm unsure,  I -think- palm certainly TRIED to comply, but this is the same story that they tried with us with the code that destinal needed.  They tried to put a firebreak between the app and the service, the service is open source, the app isn't
Dec 05 01:57:43 <rick_home> which is weird since the whole damn thing is readable.
Dec 05 01:57:47 <rick_home> they can just post it
Dec 05 01:58:11 <oil> yeah, they seem to be ok with opensourcing stuff that other companies wouldnt
Dec 05 01:58:28 <oil> i wouldn't be surprised if they just opened up all the pdf stuff
Dec 05 01:58:31 <rick_home> nodnod
Dec 05 01:58:35 <oil> seems like the path of least resistance
Dec 05 01:58:55 <oil> and its not like we don't already know how to make browser plugins for webos
Dec 05 01:59:04 <oil> see: terminal
Dec 05 01:59:31 <rick_home> point
Dec 05 02:01:40 <destinal> aha, GPLv3
Dec 05 02:01:57 <destinal> wouldn't be the first GPL lapse we've seen from Palm
Dec 05 02:02:48 <destinal> honestly, I'm not sure why they don't open up a lot more of the code, accept patches, etc... it seems to be working for maemo
Dec 05 02:03:35 <destinal> then again there's the perception that people only buy a pre for webos and if someone can make another webos device then they won't buy palm's.. not sure about that, but there it is
Dec 05 02:20:02 <rick_home> what worries me about webOS is chromeOS honestly
Dec 05 02:20:18 <AnOutsider> why so
Dec 05 02:20:32 <Templarian> how?
Dec 05 02:20:58 <rick_home> palm spent a gazillion dollars writing webos.  If google comes in and chromeOS takes over the low end tablet and smartphone market, palm has no licensing fees from webOS.  not good
Dec 05 02:21:11 <destinal> I've used chromeOS and was severely underwhelmed.  It seemed like just a web browser.
Dec 05 02:21:20 <Templarian> rick_home: that's not their market.
Dec 05 02:21:26 <rick_home> kk
Dec 05 02:21:46 <Templarian> Yea, everyone i've talked to that used it said it is going to fail.
Dec 05 02:21:46 <destinal> android is more the competitor (IMO in tablet and smartphone)
Dec 05 02:22:00 <Templarian> Android is the largest competitior.
Dec 05 02:22:11 <Templarian> They are pulling people away from everything.
Dec 05 02:22:13 <rick_home> you would have said that about webOS back last January if they had let you play with it.  Early days.
Dec 05 02:22:13 <destinal> AND android is open source
Dec 05 02:22:31 <Templarian> (I met another person with a Palm Pre in my geography class)
Dec 05 02:22:57 <rick_home> When we went up to Chicago, all my daughter's in-laws family had pre's.  perhaps 20 of them.
Dec 05 02:23:08 <rick_home> We did a huge preware install session.
Dec 05 02:23:12 <rick_home> That's a HAPPY family now
Dec 05 02:23:39 * Templarian secretly wants WinMo to come back and take back its market share
Dec 05 02:24:03 <AnOutsider> WinMo 7 would likely be their best shot at that
Dec 05 02:24:36 * Templarian feels he says it to often but it's still the clear winner development wise.
Dec 05 02:25:17 <destinal> rick_home: what did they like most on the feeds?
Dec 05 02:25:39 <JMyaDaGod> gotta be virtual keyboard.....
Dec 05 02:26:00 <rick_home> vk was good.
Dec 05 02:26:09 <rick_home> but they liked different things.
Dec 05 02:26:14 <rick_home> 4x4 icons
Dec 05 02:26:18 <rick_home> date on the top bar
Dec 05 02:26:21 <rick_home> battery percentage
Dec 05 02:26:26 <JMyaDaGod> i cant get mine to reinstall damnit that just reminded me i gotta try it again
Dec 05 02:26:31 <rick_home> preader
Dec 05 02:26:49 <rick_home> music remix
Dec 05 02:26:51 <Templarian> I have a feeling palm is going to add the battery percentage as an option.
Dec 05 02:27:01 <Templarian> Or some toggle.
Dec 05 02:27:13 <destinal> rick_home: do you like preader btw? I know you've got some standards already in mind that a book reading app has to have
Dec 05 02:27:44 <jauderho> any webos e-reader should be able to read the old ereader drm pdb files.
Dec 05 02:28:12 <jauderho> that's one of the reasons why I'm still hanging on to my 700p
Dec 05 02:28:14 <destinal> I should check out how they do that directly, I was surprised that it could
Dec 05 02:28:21 <destinal> jauderho: preader can do it apparently
Dec 05 02:28:36 <rick_home> preader can read palm ereader drm, and straight text pdb's.  He's working on mobipocket drm
Dec 05 02:28:51 <jauderho> really? last I checked, there was no drm support and he was doubtful of adding it.
Dec 05 02:28:56 <rick_home> preader has a javascript decompressor in it.
Dec 05 02:29:01 <destinal> rick_home: wow
Dec 05 02:29:10 <rick_home> jauderho:   he got it for palm ereader, and is working on mobi
Dec 05 02:29:16 <destinal> clever, but oh the pain
Dec 05 02:29:22 <rick_home> yep
Dec 05 02:29:36 <jauderho> should make that a service...
Dec 05 02:29:42 <rick_home> but basically, he found a straight C decompressor that was written in such strict C that porting it was trivial
Dec 05 02:29:49 <rick_home> he wants to app cat it.
Dec 05 02:30:18 <rick_home> and honestly, it's plenty fast,  For that kind of stuff, if you are careful, v8 compiles to very very fast code
Dec 05 02:30:29 <destinal> cool, open source so we can always extend it
Dec 05 02:30:51 <rwhitby> destinal: yeah, we're seeing a number of open source homebrew apps now
Dec 05 02:31:11 <PREA> does anyone know the path to the icons for a bookmark that has been added to the launcher?
Dec 05 02:31:16 <jauderho> typo in the preader desc
Dec 05 02:32:24 <rick_home> oh?
Dec 05 02:32:33 <jauderho> ist
Dec 05 02:33:05 <rick_home> I think that's a leak,  I think he's german
Dec 05 02:36:37 <Templarian> Are there a lot of german application devs?
Dec 05 02:38:11 <JMyaDaGod> i am having a problem reinstalling virtual keyboard after running EPR any suggestions?
Dec 05 02:41:02 <rick_home> Templarian:   If I copy a komodo project directlry, and rename the kpf file
Dec 05 02:41:13 <rick_home> when I open it, it shows the OLD NAME inside the tree.
Dec 05 02:41:18 <rick_home> how do I change THAT name?
Dec 05 02:43:04 <rick_home> ok, open kpf in text editor, edit xml, save and reopen in komodo
Dec 05 02:43:10 <rick_home> but that's sure a PITA
Dec 05 02:45:57 <sslow> can someone log on to preware that has the popelli reader
Dec 05 02:46:04 <sslow> , I have logged in 5 times and everytime i get an update for this app.
Dec 05 02:48:30 <xxtripxx> hello
Dec 05 02:49:01 <xxtripxx> need some help with running linux terminal on pc if anyone has knowledge of this.
Dec 05 02:49:07 <rwhitby> jauderho: optware has ncurses 5.7, so that should be fine.
Dec 05 02:49:50 <Templarian> rick_home: yea that method is kind of sketchy... since each project file has  unique ID associated with it.
Dec 05 02:49:54 <Mercury> rick_home: I'd love to see an open source one that does epub, the main challenge being handling of zip files.
Dec 05 02:50:21 <xxtripxx> trying to install gnuboy but can't get past setting up debian
Dec 05 02:50:26 <rick_home> Templarian:   is there an APPROVEDE method,  I want to fork a project.
Dec 05 02:50:38 <Templarian> Create a new blank project file.
Dec 05 02:50:39 <rick_home> I know I know, create a new project in a new empty dir and then copy everything in.
Dec 05 02:50:40 <rick_home> ok
Dec 05 02:50:42 <rick_home> I can do that
Dec 05 02:50:48 <rick_home> but it seems just silly
Dec 05 02:51:13 <Templarian> Yea, I could never figure out exactly why they do it that way, I think it might just be for future stuff.
Dec 05 02:51:26 <rick_home> they need a 'rename this project" function
Dec 05 02:51:42 <Templarian> I wrote that in at one time you may remember.
Dec 05 02:52:07 <jauderho> rwhitby: email sent.
Dec 05 02:52:11 <Templarian> It has some unpredictable characteristics. It made it into a release of the addon but i quickly re-released the next day.
Dec 05 02:52:33 <jauderho> I followed the steps outlined on the wiki.
Dec 05 02:52:45 <sslow> anybody?
Dec 05 02:52:58 <jauderho> you have to pass -DOMAP3 to the CFLAGS for it work.
Dec 05 02:54:50 <jauderho> repeating my question earlier: anyone on the channel currently running the cpu-scaling patches and comfortable with the cmd line, get in touch. I'm testing out some changes and want additional testing.
Dec 05 02:55:28 <sslow> even if i just update the feed it still comes up with an update
Dec 05 02:59:48 <rwhitby> sslow: what's the package id, and what feed is it in?
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