**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 05 02:59:57 2009 Dec 05 03:02:01 rwhitby:com.popelli.reader.......applications Dec 05 03:02:25 jauderho: yep, what are you playing with ? Dec 05 03:02:37 up_threshold Dec 05 03:02:54 sampling_rate and possibly powersave_bias Dec 05 03:03:22 xaiki`: I'm particularly interested if you have the "stuttering" problem on the pre Dec 05 03:03:51 jauderho: sorry not a native english speaker... what is the 'stuttering' problem ? Dec 05 03:04:28 some people complain that video stutters/pauses when starting up when the patches are enabled Dec 05 03:04:39 particularly ondemand governor Dec 05 03:04:43 jauderho: yes I have that. Dec 05 03:04:54 jauderho: and some weird redraw glitches I didn't see before. Dec 05 03:05:02 try setting up_threshold to 20 Dec 05 03:05:04 instead of 30 Dec 05 03:05:16 and setting the sampling rate to 1000000 Dec 05 03:05:58 rwhitby: sorry precentral feed Dec 05 03:06:05 so I guess you're not talking about /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ Dec 05 03:06:49 oh wait Dec 05 03:07:14 found it, testing. Dec 05 03:07:46 jauderho: haven't got that email yet Dec 05 03:08:37 rwhitby: taht's odd Dec 05 03:08:59 it's sent from my side Dec 05 03:09:42 jauderho: I just tested on youtube app, but IIRC it didn't afect it directly. 20 or 30 there makes no noticeable difference. Dec 05 03:09:59 xaiki`: meaning, it was not better Dec 05 03:10:11 or you dont see a flickr Dec 05 03:11:40 jauderho: I saw a slight flicker (more incomplete draw in buffer swap kind of artifact) the first run with 20 . Dec 05 03:12:22 strange. I get no flickring at all with 20 and speed set to 600 Dec 05 03:13:18 jauderho: I have speed set at 500 Dec 05 03:13:39 jauderho: you have any more info on 'how dangerous' it is to set the pres at 600 ? Dec 05 03:14:17 haha, I had something funny, no flicker, but no image, just my zoomed background. Dec 05 03:14:17 it varies from pre to pre. Dec 05 03:14:22 if it works. Dec 05 03:14:27 weird. Dec 05 03:14:54 but as always, it's in the do-this-at-the-risk-of-pre-imploding category. Dec 05 03:15:49 jauderho: the 'best results' seem to be with 20 600 Dec 05 03:16:09 have you adjusted your sampling rate? Dec 05 03:16:18 nope. Dec 05 03:17:40 root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/xaiki# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq Dec 05 03:17:40 /ondemand/sampling_rate Dec 05 03:17:40 200000 Dec 05 03:17:40 Dec 05 03:18:26 Templarian: now, I have my forked app, but I can not open more than one file at a time, and find doesn't work. Dec 05 03:18:32 I think I hosed komodo somewhow Dec 05 03:19:18 xaiki`: try bumping that to 1000000 Dec 05 03:19:55 jauderho: so 20 500 1000000 Dec 05 03:20:03 wouldn't that drain more battery ? Dec 05 03:20:13 well I'm using 20 600 1000000 Dec 05 03:20:25 xaiki`: well possibly. Dec 05 03:20:45 it's sampling less so time in a particular state will increase Dec 05 03:20:54 depends on usage pattern Dec 05 03:21:12 that looks better Dec 05 03:21:23 setting it to 1000000 means sample per sec vs 5 times / sec Dec 05 03:22:16 20 500 1000000? Dec 05 03:22:31 20 600 1000000 Dec 05 03:22:47 * xaiki` wanders if we shouldn't use higher up_threshold and lower sampling rate. Dec 05 03:22:58 jauderho: ok, powertop 1.11 is built for cs08q1armel in optware now. next is to get the right version and apply the patch Dec 05 03:24:17 rwhitby: right version for what? powertop? not quite sure how richard got to 1.12 but as I said, I suspect it's from powertop svn Dec 05 03:24:56 xaiki`: well, we can always bump up up_threshold, once we establish a decent baseline Dec 05 03:25:13 jauderho: yeah, I'll try svn Dec 05 03:25:15 and it should be wonders not wanders =) Dec 05 03:25:24 I would love to hear your opinion about this: in order to scp files to /media/internal on the pre using an unprivileged user, one has to either mount /dev/mapper/store-media with that user's uid and gid OR mount store-media simultaneously with that user's uid and gid to his home directory for example. Anyone see any problems with that? Dec 05 03:25:49 rwhitby: just checked. svn sez 1.12 Dec 05 03:26:05 Space72: just use ssh keys and scp as root instead Dec 05 03:26:32 rick_home: hmm... odd. Dec 05 03:27:26 rwhitby: that's a possible solution, but then I would always have to carry the key with me if I were to copy files via other PCs. At work I constantly rotate machines, so I would have to copy the key to every one of them. Guess it's doable. Dec 05 03:30:01 Space72: or create a media-internal group Dec 05 03:30:05 and add that user to that group Dec 05 03:30:12 and chown /media/internal Dec 05 03:30:19 to be root:media-internal Dec 05 03:32:24 xaiki`: so upping the sampling_rate works for you? Dec 05 03:32:39 xaiki`: nice idea, thanks Dec 05 03:33:24 jauderho: hmm - patch doesn't apply cleanly to SVN head. Dec 05 03:33:43 probably some massaging needed. Dec 05 03:33:50 he did say the patch was old Dec 05 03:34:19 digging through the powertop code, it's not the prettiest code. =) not throwing stones, just saying. Dec 05 03:34:43 jauderho: well, I still see the glitches Dec 05 03:34:52 hmm Dec 05 03:34:57 jauderho: setting the sampling_rate will make users to stay at low speed for longer. Dec 05 03:35:09 I really think what you want is to keep it down. Dec 05 03:35:45 xaiki`: not as far as I understand it, the ondemand governor starts up by bumping all the way up to the top then throttling down Dec 05 03:36:12 so it should stay in the faster state if necessary and reduce the fast/slow blipping. Dec 05 03:36:53 i guess my question is if changing the up_threshold and sampling rate has at least improved things over not doing so Dec 05 03:42:24 jauderho: not noticeably for me. Dec 05 03:42:49 and you tried at 600mhz too right? Dec 05 03:44:00 jauderho: at 600mhz it seems to work better. but indep of the other factors. Dec 05 03:47:20 k Dec 05 03:48:01 ummm. I can't remember if I was the one that created the call-duration patch. =) Dec 05 03:48:04 doh. Dec 05 03:48:11 getting old is bad. Dec 05 03:49:50 rwhitby: phone/phone-show-call-duration.sh is missing in the 1.3.x (where x > 1) branch. is this deliberate? Dec 05 03:50:24 jauderho: if it didn't apply cleanly, it will not be there yet Dec 05 03:50:37 it's a shell script. Dec 05 03:50:50 I have not gone to 1.3.5 yet so have not tested it. Dec 05 03:51:11 it's supposed to go with the phone/phone-call-duration-in-call-log.patch patch Dec 05 03:51:45 but just got an email from someone complaining this was broken. so maybe palm changed the table format or something Dec 05 03:55:23 xaiki`: I guess you could also try bumping up_threshold to 11 but that probably wont make a difference. Dec 05 03:57:29 hello can someone help me with some linux issues? Dec 05 03:57:54 trying to install gnuboy, but cant seem to get any of the commands to work... Dec 05 04:01:28 hello can someone help me with some linux issues? Dec 05 04:01:53 having trouble getting through the gnuboy tutorial Dec 05 04:01:53 ... Dec 05 04:08:29 anyone alive in here, lol Dec 05 04:09:37 We are all here... hmm. Dec 05 04:09:49 * Templarian wanders back off. Dec 05 04:11:58 lol Dec 05 04:12:12 just noone wants to help a poor soul, lol Dec 05 04:19:17 xxtripxx: you haven't asked a specific question yet ... Dec 05 04:25:09 lol Dec 05 04:25:13 Your right Dec 05 04:27:06 well, I am trying to install gnuboy for the palm pre and i have dual booted unbunto on my windows 7 machine and am currently running it. I have downloaded the image file fore debian and put it on my desktop like the tut says to do. then it says to run some commands, so i open the terminal and run "sudo bunzip2 debsmall.img.bz2" and it says that there is no such file or directory Dec 05 04:28:46 rwhitby can I PM you? Dec 05 04:29:18 xxtripxx: only if it's a private question that should be addressed to myself and myself only. anything else should be in the channel for all to learn from Dec 05 04:29:59 makes sense... ok, so? Dec 05 04:30:15 xxtripxx: what is your level of linux experience Dec 05 04:34:12 Lacking, but I I'm good with understanding things very easily Dec 05 04:37:14 possibly no bunzip2 installed yet? Dec 05 04:39:48 ok so i need that specific program inorder to unzip the file or can i use whats already installed because i have already been able to unrar it and get the img file on the dekstop but then i try to run the resize2fs command and it wont work either... Dec 05 04:41:35 xxtripxx: for a bz2 compressed file, you'll need bunzip2. It's possible that something like winrar/winzip/[un-archiver of your choice] MIGHT handle it Dec 05 04:42:44 I'm not exactly sure what it is you are installing or where, but it sounds like you might need to install some additional optware packages on your device to get the correct de-archivers....can't remember what comes with the base package Dec 05 04:43:25 ok well I'm not sure how to install programs onto linux... I dont have yum and i tried to install the yum using the command line I got from a wiki page but it didnt work said something about package couldnt be found, i would like to note that im tethering from my pre to get internet Dec 05 04:50:02 ??? Dec 05 04:51:53 might i ask what the point of this irc is? Dec 05 04:54:31 See the /topic Dec 05 04:55:11 this channel is not a general Linux help channel. there are plenty of other channels that do that. Dec 05 05:09:01 i'm sorry this is off topic, but can a sprint customer verify that conditional call forwarding is free on sprint? they acted confused when i called. Dec 05 05:10:27 the rep insisted there was no *28. Dec 05 05:15:57 P100UNA is now in the wild, running webOS 1.2.5: http://discussion.treocentral.com/2078284-post2506.html Dec 05 05:16:50 que es? Dec 05 05:17:31 anybody know if unicdma is still the best way to figure out what the pre's SPC is (trying to get the phone over to Verizon) Dec 05 05:18:07 or does anyone know if there is another irc server/group that's better for questions on this topic? Dec 05 05:18:21 rwhitby:Hello. Thanks again for yesterday Dec 05 05:21:57 offroad99: mobile-files.com Dec 05 05:26:51 rwhitby:Struggling a little bit once again Dec 05 05:27:53 do you have experience with unicdma? Dec 05 05:35:16 nope Dec 05 05:35:26 I live in a country without CDMA .... Dec 05 06:01:10 jauderho: got powertop to build with the patches Dec 05 06:01:47 jauderho: just testing build for other platforms before pushing to optware feed Dec 05 06:44:34 rwhitby: did u ever make that repo with those camd headers? Dec 05 06:44:48 nope, but can now Dec 05 06:45:29 or just send me the 2 files Dec 05 06:46:04 * camd_msg.h Dec 05 06:46:04 * profile.h Dec 05 06:46:05 * simple_ipc.h Dec 05 06:46:07 * PalmOmxjpegEncExif.h Dec 05 06:46:09 those are the four files Dec 05 06:46:22 rwhitby: sweet. Dec 05 06:46:24 libraries/gstcamsrc.git will be there soon Dec 05 06:47:16 ummm Dec 05 06:47:29 those headers arent part of gstcamsrc Dec 05 06:47:33 just used by it Dec 05 06:47:37 those headers are for camd Dec 05 06:48:24 rwhitby: it should be camd-headers or something Dec 05 06:48:31 sorta like luna-headers Dec 05 06:48:55 I'm just preparing in advance for when you rename it to add the stub Dec 05 06:49:07 well its not a lib Dec 05 06:49:10 camd is a daemon Dec 05 06:49:22 "Thanks for your patience. We discussed it with Engineering and as a result we are sending you additional header files needed to complete a successful compile for libgstcamsrc . Thank you for bringing this to our attention." Dec 05 06:49:26 i wouldnt need a stub for that Dec 05 06:49:42 and libgstcamsrc.so Dec 05 06:49:45 has sources Dec 05 06:49:49 so that wont be a stub either Dec 05 06:50:07 we just need a basic headers directory Dec 05 06:51:45 rwhitby: I just pulled ipkg-opt but don't see powertop Dec 05 06:52:01 jauderho: not autobuilt yet Dec 05 06:53:03 ah okay Dec 05 06:56:17 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=libraries/camd-headers.git Dec 05 07:03:50 rwhitby: we need new versions of those headers Dec 05 07:03:55 they are out of date Dec 05 07:03:59 at least with 1.3.1 Dec 05 07:10:34 Youmail or GV for just voicemail purposes??? anyone like one better over the other?? Dec 05 07:22:03 does anyone in here know what the best route is for nes/gameboy emulation? Dec 05 07:24:23 is anyone active in here? Dec 05 07:24:58 it's all on the wiki page Dec 05 07:25:55 which wiki page? Dec 05 07:32:54 which page are you looking at? Dec 05 07:40:09 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Nintendo << Dec 05 07:40:57 * Templarian zzz 2:40 Dec 05 07:42:08 i've looked at that wiki page but it's confusing Dec 05 07:42:13 it says: Dec 05 07:42:15 "NOTE: As of 2009/9/17 Directfb 1.2, SDL 1.2 and FCEUX 2.1.1 have ipks that can be installed using Preware! PuffTheMagic 16:09, 17 September 2009 (UTC)" Dec 05 07:42:36 I can't find those ipks in Preware Dec 05 07:42:52 do you know where they are/how to get to them? Dec 05 07:45:03 Something tells me those were on one of the servers that isn't on. meh. Dec 05 07:46:43 sillydino: they used to be on http://www.preyourmind.org/services/feed/, but they have been removed and PuffTheMagic hasn't updated the wiki pages that refer to them Dec 05 07:47:13 do you know which feed they're available in now? Dec 05 07:47:31 sillydino: they are not available in any feed that I am aware of - you will need to ask PuffTheMagic for them Dec 05 07:47:51 please update the wiki page to reflect that fact, so the next person doesn't ask the same question Dec 05 07:48:15 ok thanks, is there a way to grab his attention? Dec 05 07:48:26 and/or leave a message? Dec 05 07:49:20 sillydino: he's on this thing all day long during normal business hours. Dec 05 07:49:35 sillydino: he owns the www.preyourmind.org site - I presume that has contact details somewhere Dec 05 07:49:57 ok thanks guys Dec 05 07:50:14 do you you all have nes on your pre's? Dec 05 08:40:26 nope Dec 05 09:41:05 I have a newbie question about installing optware Dec 05 09:41:30 anyone still around? Dec 05 10:03:39 yep Dec 05 10:03:52 first, what instructions are you following. URL please. Dec 05 10:36:33 hey +rwhitby, i think i installed optware properly, after some struggling Dec 05 10:37:00 i wasn't prompted with anything after i did "source /etc/profile.d/optware" Dec 05 10:37:32 so i am going with the "root" user with the default password... no sure if this is OK Dec 05 10:37:43 ... all this in my emulator Dec 05 10:37:51 emulator is fine Dec 05 10:38:06 yea, safer too :-) Dec 05 10:38:08 I'm working on making all the optware stuff installable through Preware Dec 05 10:38:23 oh, nice Dec 05 10:38:31 that'd be awesome Dec 05 10:39:39 some will have entries in Preware itself, and then there will be an entry to install ipkg-opt to get at the rest of optware from the Terminal or ssh command line Dec 05 10:41:56 hmm, interesting... good to have that flexibility Dec 05 10:43:45 I'm not going to be creating Preware entries for 1600+ packages :-) Dec 05 10:45:00 what!!? whats the point then? :-) Dec 05 10:46:16 the popular ones will have entries in preware, and one entry will install a command line tool to get the rest via the command line Dec 05 10:46:22 (like powertop, which I just installed) Dec 05 10:47:45 ok, figured that was the better option (... was kidding bout the 1600+ solution, ya know) Dec 05 10:48:24 i actually have question... should i be able to sftp into my emulator using the same root and password as i use to ssh ? Dec 05 10:48:51 im using winscp, with the default localhost:5522 url to the emulator Dec 05 10:51:27 ah, I don't think sftp works well over the 5522 NAT Dec 05 10:51:59 hmm Dec 05 10:52:06 I usually add another network interface to the VirtualBox machine, and connect it to a host-only vboxnet0 Dec 05 10:52:27 then it gets a 192.168.56.x DHCP address and you can ssh directly over that. Dec 05 10:53:38 ah, interesting... i'll try that Dec 05 10:54:39 joez: not sure if sftp-server works in the emulator, but you can certainly use scp mode instead Dec 05 10:55:16 really, lemme check Dec 05 10:55:55 (I have scp in the build.xml files for custom Java services to transfer the new .jar to the pre for testing) Dec 05 10:58:10 (and to the emulator as well using scp) Dec 05 10:59:00 looks like i'll have to play around a little... thx a lot... think im done for today Dec 05 11:00:38 joez: optware in preware will be working by the time you wake Dec 05 11:01:48 nice.. have a url ? Dec 05 11:34:58 joez: just start Preware and look in the Optware section Dec 05 16:41:00 Is it relatively safe to install the 500mhz scaling packages? I read this http://www.precentral.net/patches-enable-palm-pre-cpu-scaling-power-savings and it seems like it is, and I can get better battery life if I do that too. Is that true? Dec 05 16:42:02 Your mileage may vary Dec 05 16:42:14 It might cause glitches in your Pre too Dec 05 16:42:26 Its all on a case-by-case basis Dec 05 16:44:52 does anyone in here know if there's a way to use resize2fs in windows? Dec 05 16:44:53 say through cygwin? Dec 05 16:53:21 Abyssul, If it causes instability, can I remove it and get my stability back? Do I risk a permanent brick, or no? Dec 05 17:01:50 not a lot of question answerin' goin on here today =) Dec 05 17:03:56 cba123: Removing the patch will regain stability, more than likely. Messing with hardware specs is different than software mods, but there hasn't been any reports of a bricked Pre yet. Dec 05 17:11:34 sillydino: you would probably be better asking google that question Dec 05 17:13:18 i assure you i have been Dec 05 17:16:07 PuffTheMagic: do you know where FCEUX ipkg lives now? Dec 05 17:16:26 I read your note on the wiki but it seems those servers have since been removed Dec 05 17:17:30 sillydino: they are gone, they didnt work well, im not giving them out Dec 05 17:42:54 If I have a bunch of patches that the preware package manager thinks are installed, but really they're not, or the 1.3.1 update killed 'em, or for whatever reason, they cannot be uninstalled. the ipkg log always shoews unreversed patch found skipping hunk. Where do I look to manually clear out the bogus entries so that preware CAN reinstall the patches? Dec 05 17:44:00 I have dropbear and midnight commander installed so I can get around and view and edit things easily and paste in long ungainly commands Dec 05 18:46:19 I'm apparently upgrading from webos 1.3.1 to 1.3.1 (1meg d/l) wtf? Dec 05 18:46:40 ouch, probably gonna have to doctor to get rid of that. Dec 05 18:47:00 I think it was 1.3.1.1 or something ... usually the downloads are a lot bigger Dec 05 18:47:38 mine is up to date with the same 1.3.1 from October or whenever Dec 05 18:47:45 just checked Dec 05 18:47:54 wierd Dec 05 18:48:00 yeah, pretty sure some homebrew thing is causing that jettero. Dec 05 18:48:03 maybe palm was updating with a fix for mytether Dec 05 18:48:17 if i remember, chuq had an explaination for it. Dec 05 18:57:51 dunno, only did it once and now I have a feature I don't recall... Dec 05 18:58:08 the updates card shows applications that have updates available. probably was there before, new to me Dec 05 19:00:24 always been there Dec 05 19:01:02 :) Dec 05 19:01:20 well it's new to me. Regardless, the 1.3.1 re-update only showed up the one time Dec 05 19:13:10 does anyone here know how to gain access to /media/internal after mounting the debian image? Dec 05 19:16:16 unmount it Dec 05 19:16:16 :p Dec 05 19:18:50 i mean with it mounted =D Dec 05 19:19:10 i need access to apt-get Dec 05 19:19:30 but i need to point apt-get to /media/internal (for space issues) Dec 05 19:26:14 I made a loopback mountpoint for that kind of thing Dec 05 19:26:36 it's a "huge" 1.5 gig partition that I mount in /etc/fstab and I put all my ipkg stuff in there Dec 05 19:28:06 the advantage of putting /opt in a plain old file in /media/internal is that you can make it huge and don't need to repartition anything Dec 05 19:29:36 so what do you do to create this file? Dec 05 19:30:09 and how do you get access to it once you have chrooted? Dec 05 19:31:14 dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/internal/opt.lb bs=1MB count=300 Dec 05 19:31:44 mke2fs -j /media/internal/opt.lb Dec 05 19:31:54 mount -o loopback /media/internal/opt.lb /opt Dec 05 19:32:39 in fstab you just put /media/internal/opt.lb /opt ext3 defaults 0 0 Dec 05 19:32:55 caveat: you have to use brains to get your optware stuff in /opt after you mount the empty space Dec 05 19:33:01 so use your brains Dec 05 19:33:17 you can also mount -o loopback somwehere temporary and copy everything over first... Dec 05 19:33:18 my brains Dec 05 19:34:17 anyway, play with the dd, mke2fs and mount commands before you fstab the thing... Dec 05 19:34:27 it's just not that tricky, but you can shoot yourself in the foot Dec 05 19:34:49 dBsooner, rwhitby, ping Dec 05 19:35:01 hmm Dec 05 19:35:08 well thank you for the pointers Dec 05 19:35:11 ? Dec 05 19:35:21 sillydino: np Dec 05 19:35:38 Want to look over some autopatch changes? Dec 05 19:35:49 do i WANT to? Dec 05 19:35:53 :D Dec 05 19:35:53 yea? Dec 05 19:35:57 LOL.. sure. Dec 05 19:36:14 I need another set of eyes to verify my logic and maybe some testing :P Dec 05 19:36:21 yu going to branch build.git and push them there? Dec 05 19:36:24 or email them to me? Dec 05 19:36:27 email Dec 05 19:36:31 k Dec 05 19:36:44 you changed your email to what again Dec 05 19:36:58 not@telliing.com? Dec 05 19:39:46 btw, I talked with my friend that owns 4 Sprint stores.. he said "that's not normal for them to give you that bad of a device." Dec 05 19:40:02 and "why didn't they give him his original battery back? unless there was a battery complaint." Dec 05 19:41:56 hmmm maybe they did give me my original battery back which was dead Dec 05 19:42:19 forgot I had my phone not showing a screen for 2 days, battery probably drained while touchscreen was dead Dec 05 19:42:35 but yeah, I gotta call them today hopefully get a better one Dec 05 19:42:47 gonna go grab some food, bbiab Dec 05 19:45:57 egaudet Dec 05 19:46:15 You forgot to attach the files Dec 05 19:53:44 Templarian: ping Dec 05 19:55:44 dbsooner: i submitted 4 patches for preware before thanksgiving..2 battery and 2 sprint nav, any progress? Dec 05 19:56:22 sslow: Thanksgiving was here.. then a special "something" happened that took more priority over adding patches.. I am just now getting back to adding 1.3.1 stuff Dec 05 19:56:36 I should have them shortly Dec 05 19:56:55 no problem I know you guys are busy Dec 05 19:57:24 dbsooner: yhanks Dec 05 19:57:35 yhanks=thanks Dec 05 19:57:35 No problem. Sorry I have been behind. Dec 05 19:59:02 By Adora Dec 05 19:59:06 hello Adora|Home Dec 05 19:59:14 dBsooner: what? Dec 05 19:59:33 Templarian: Easy there.. what? sounds mean. :( Dec 05 19:59:55 Hehe. "Pong" Dec 05 19:59:56 Templarian: I get a "you need JavaScript 1.8.x" Dec 05 20:00:10 dBsooner: I'm recoding the site atm it's broken for everyone. Dec 05 20:00:14 did I bounce again? Dec 05 20:00:14 dbsooner:i have been working on the smileys patch for messaging but I think its above my ability, I have it workong on my device by direct change to the .json, is anybody working on this that you know of ? Dec 05 20:00:21 dammit, I need real internet Dec 05 20:00:24 Adora: yep.. you bounced again Dec 05 20:00:31 dBsooner: you somehow clicked it right when I commited a file. Dec 05 20:00:40 stealing wifi from the neighbors is starting to get lame Dec 05 20:00:47 Templarian: lol.. I just saw it in build.git and hit preware.org to check it out Dec 05 20:01:07 Yea, I have a 5min wait between git being pushed to preware.org. Dec 05 20:01:31 sslow: no, not tha I am aware.. I don't likke that patch because of how it makes wierd issues with git thinking the file is constantly "changed" Dec 05 20:01:54 Adora: And illegal? Dec 05 20:02:03 Adora: I like girls that live on the wild side. :D Dec 05 20:02:18 hey, they're the ones letting THEIR signal get in MY house Dec 05 20:02:24 not my problem Dec 05 20:02:26 You should use one of your 5 demo devices and TETHER Dec 05 20:02:39 Adora: and unsecured at that huh? Their fault. Dec 05 20:03:09 thats not against the rules either...lol Dec 05 20:03:26 sslow: not if you have the $15 PaM plan Dec 05 20:03:30 with Sprint Dec 05 20:03:37 but then again, I bet Adora's devices are all on the Palm account.. Dec 05 20:03:43 true! Dec 05 20:03:56 I keep trying to convince her to send me one.. but she tends to ignore me. Dec 05 20:03:57 I've got a 4G card from sprint, but it only works on windows Dec 05 20:04:09 Adora: silly mac girl Dec 05 20:04:21 UPS it to me.. I'll test it out for you. Dec 05 20:04:23 easier to steal from neighbors than get up to reset the ad hoc network all the time Dec 05 20:04:49 and it got 4G for like, a day Dec 05 20:04:51 now it's evdo Dec 05 20:05:06 I just want friggin ATT to get their shit together and sell me uverse Dec 05 20:05:11 EVDO is sitll better thatn RTT Dec 05 20:05:14 is that too much to ask?? Dec 05 20:05:20 SHHH! Dec 05 20:05:25 Don't SAY those words! Dec 05 20:05:35 what, shit? Dec 05 20:05:42 * dBsooner works for their direct competitor.. and they are soo trying to kill us. Dec 05 20:05:50 oh, THOSE words Dec 05 20:05:55 that's like me screaming about Android to send me a new phone. Dec 05 20:05:56 got it =] Dec 05 20:06:09 I work for Cox Communications Dec 05 20:06:17 They want nothing more than to put us out of business. Dec 05 20:06:35 Even though my internet with Cox is 50Mbit down, 5Mbit up Dec 05 20:06:43 ATT=EVIL Dec 05 20:06:47 :) Dec 05 20:06:47 I had cox business in sd Dec 05 20:07:07 Yep.. I wanted to start working for our Orange County system. Dec 05 20:07:13 It's good stuff out there. Dec 05 20:07:16 you guys still owe me $100 for service billed after I canceled Dec 05 20:07:18 =] Dec 05 20:07:31 Shouldn't have moved. Dec 05 20:07:36 hmm Dec 05 20:07:44 Palm didn't need you that badly. Dec 05 20:07:45 keep cox, or work for palm? Dec 05 20:07:47 hahaha Dec 05 20:08:01 So.. Is it safe to say that you like Cox? Dec 05 20:08:07 I would have transferred if cox was available up here Dec 05 20:08:12 haha Dec 05 20:08:13 dbsooner: 50mbit OMG! I have comcast and get 23 up 5 down....Id pay extra for that for sure Dec 05 20:08:16 See.. So you do like Cox. Dec 05 20:08:21 I mean Dec 05 20:08:22 wait Dec 05 20:08:23 crap Dec 05 20:08:23 no Dec 05 20:08:29 HEhehehe Dec 05 20:08:33 I had HORRIBLE Cox service! Dec 05 20:08:33 he likes the cocks Dec 05 20:08:34 I love working for a company named Cox.. Dec 05 20:08:35 never again! Dec 05 20:09:02 * Templarian saw this degrading fast. Dec 05 20:09:09 It's hilarious going into homes and businesses where people say, "I just LOVE Cox! They are always soo good to me!" Dec 05 20:09:19 Especially the little old ladies. Dec 05 20:09:42 dbsooner: I cant believe you went there Dec 05 20:10:03 dBsooner always goes there Dec 05 20:10:15 Our Las Vegas system is top notch.. They actually are a main backbone (Tier 1) providor for a couple data centers there. And they give service to all the hotels. Dec 05 20:10:53 * Templarian is 9 hours away from winning a contest for 200 dollars... :) Dec 05 20:12:00 Iihi Dec 05 20:12:09 So, Adora, How are you taking the major weather difference between SoCal and "up north"? Dec 05 20:12:21 I would like to create a patch and submit it Dec 05 20:12:27 any info how to do this Dec 05 20:12:47 I wouldn't call it major Dec 05 20:12:51 (yet) Dec 05 20:12:56 Adora: Wiat till winter. Dec 05 20:13:16 No more 75 degree days everyday and no rain. Dec 05 20:13:16 but I am investing in more jackets Dec 05 20:13:17 I removed the airplane mode :d Dec 05 20:13:18 it's winter now... been snowing like hell all day Dec 05 20:13:43 and I got a big wool coat, but it's crazy itchy Dec 05 20:13:53 wool = itchy Dec 05 20:13:57 Go furrrr Dec 05 20:14:05 You work for Palm now, remember? Dec 05 20:14:07 crazy money Dec 05 20:14:15 yelti: http://www.dbsooner.com/webospatchupload.php Dec 05 20:14:57 I just have one question Dec 05 20:15:06 what's that? Dec 05 20:15:19 I will clarify my change Dec 05 20:15:34 thats not a ? Dec 05 20:15:38 lol Dec 05 20:15:52 Out of all of the web-application frameworks which has the best performance: ASP.NET, PHP, SL, Flash, AJAX, Java, etc? Dec 05 20:15:58 I have a wool coat net itchy... must be a quality thing. Dec 05 20:16:06 fur + SF = not such a great idea Dec 05 20:16:09 sryan: ASP.net Dec 05 20:16:17 i removed the airplane mode from the /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/views/devicemenu/devicemenu-scene.html Dec 05 20:16:23 howdy Dec 05 20:16:28 asp? Dec 05 20:16:29 srsly? Dec 05 20:16:30 sryan: but it's only when you build it HUGE that will notice this. Dec 05 20:16:30 D; Dec 05 20:16:31 Adora: why, they all about "save the enviroment/animals"? Dec 05 20:16:39 ASP = Junk\ Dec 05 20:16:52 yeah, the vegans will kill me Dec 05 20:16:53 but as it is the last item , i needed to change the class of the item above Dec 05 20:16:53 even tho the server is most likely wasting so much resources running iis? Dec 05 20:16:54 ;o Dec 05 20:16:54 dBsooner: agreed ASP is junk. ASP.NET is nice. Dec 05 20:17:04 Yes, ASP.Net is ok Dec 05 20:17:07 which sounds counter productive, but to them is a perfectly logical solution Dec 05 20:17:19 Lol.. to kill a human? Dec 05 20:17:19 :D Dec 05 20:17:38 I can't stand Vegans. But hey, to each their own. Dec 05 20:17:39 but other patches add items before the last item (like gps patch i have) Dec 05 20:18:08 yelti: so you're patch wouldn't be compatible with those Dec 05 20:18:53 well i don't now how to change the css class of the last item Dec 05 20:19:10 as you cannot know with one the last item is Dec 05 20:19:38 i'm unsure how it works if you have multiple devicemenu patches Dec 05 20:19:48 What I am trying to say is, you make your patch apply to a stock userland. Dec 05 20:19:54 that's how all patches are/should be made. Dec 05 20:20:13 And if someone installs the gps/data mode/etc patch BEFORE yours.. yours would just fail to install. Dec 05 20:20:16 and vice versa. Dec 05 20:20:20 It just means they are incompatible. Dec 05 20:20:36 Just like you can't install two different 4x4 launcher patches Dec 05 20:20:36 Ok Dec 05 20:20:55 Or just get Adora to sprinkle magic pixi dust on it. Dec 05 20:21:38 hmm there hasn't been any new patches lately Dec 05 20:22:02 Abyssul_wIRC: I was busy Dec 05 20:22:17 Abyssul_wIRC: something is going on in the patch world that was a little more important Dec 05 20:22:41 no, I mean from the community Dec 05 20:22:49 Abyssul_wIRC: a couple Dec 05 20:22:50 been kind of a slow week for patches, apps and news Dec 05 20:22:51 like there hasn't been many made lately Dec 05 20:22:53 dBsooner: see what you did? Dec 05 20:22:55 psh Dec 05 20:23:13 Adora|Home: Not me.. I left your house long ago. Dec 05 20:23:13 sslow: more like a slow month other than the last update Dec 05 20:23:24 yeah I know Dec 05 20:23:39 i search everyday Dec 05 20:23:48 yeah i know im lame Dec 05 20:23:54 what do yall think about the new break video app? Dec 05 20:23:56 doesn anyone here have some good suggestions on how to make more space available to apt-get? Dec 05 20:24:19 sillydino: no one is going to need it soon from what I have heard. So I wouldn't ask. Dec 05 20:24:21 break video app? Dec 05 20:24:34 wait. apt-get? Dec 05 20:24:43 For break.com Dec 05 20:24:49 yes apt-get Dec 05 20:24:55 Adora|Home: you got my Twee or Topple Ball back for me yet Dec 05 20:24:59 ? :*( Dec 05 20:25:07 its like the youtube app for break.com Dec 05 20:25:18 dBsooner: I've been working late every night to make it happen Dec 05 20:25:22 but alas, I'm afraid you'll have to wait Dec 05 20:25:23 havnt tried it yet...is it any good? Dec 05 20:25:32 Dbsooner why wouldn't people need space for apt-get? Dec 05 20:25:35 sslow: the videos are pretty funny, imo Dec 05 20:25:37 chuq lied to me Dec 05 20:25:52 its decent, it crashed my phone though when I tried to back gesture out of a video though Dec 05 20:25:52 with some amount of hit or miss Dec 05 20:25:56 you need 260ish meg to install fceux Dec 05 20:25:57 ill try anything once Dec 05 20:26:02 well Dec 05 20:26:05 chuq said "adora is the best.. she can do anything and everything. she will do whatever you need/want." Dec 05 20:26:10 Abyssul_wIRC: was there an error message? Dec 05 20:26:10 almost anything Dec 05 20:26:16 but youtube has done that once to me as well Dec 05 20:26:33 no, just a freeze and luna restart Dec 05 20:26:35 and did the video go all flashy and weird first? Dec 05 20:26:36 huh Dec 05 20:26:56 * Adora|Home makes a mental note Dec 05 20:27:07 I wanted to pull up th scrub bar and it wouldn't so I back gestured when it froze Dec 05 20:27:31 Adora|Home: are you the developer of the break video app? Dec 05 20:29:06 lol.. Adora|Home is no developer.. Shes a relations specialist. Dec 05 20:29:16 Or maybe she does develop in secret.. Dec 05 20:29:31 I was a developer in a past life Dec 05 20:29:53 relations specialist for who or what? Dec 05 20:29:58 do you guys know how to get access to /media/internal from a debian root? Dec 05 20:30:08 Abyssul_wIRC: I work for palm on the app review team Dec 05 20:30:19 ahh I see Dec 05 20:30:29 Adora|Home: I thought your title was "Developer relations"? Dec 05 20:30:37 pretty sweet :p Dec 05 20:30:43 developer relations administrator, yah Dec 05 20:30:53 Yeah.. I would love to have every app for free. Dec 05 20:31:02 And just pay for the ones I want to keep. :) Dec 05 20:31:46 Wow! Dec 05 20:31:46 meh I havnt found an app I wanted to buy Dec 05 20:31:53 Anyone watching this Cinci/Pitt game? Dec 05 20:31:59 Hole schnikes! Dec 05 20:32:08 s/Hole/Holy Dec 05 20:32:28 dBsooner: there fixed the Preware.org site. Dec 05 20:32:39 yup, I see that Templarian. Looks good! Dec 05 20:33:05 you need a newer screenshot.. 0.9.12 Dec 05 20:33:11 with 131 patches avail Dec 05 20:33:24 and 800 themes Dec 05 20:33:46 Templarian: lol, windows install guide opens up faq and faq does nothing. Dec 05 20:34:06 gkatsev: what OS. Dec 05 20:34:11 anyone think adobe will have the public beta for flash mobile out by the end of the year? :p Dec 05 20:34:12 I mean browser* Dec 05 20:34:29 Templarian: ff3.5 Dec 05 20:34:34 refresh the page. Dec 05 20:34:52 lol Dec 05 20:35:15 mine works Dec 05 20:35:35 I need to make that random ID more random you have a 1 out 200 chance of that happening. Dec 05 20:35:36 Abyssul_wIRC: well, they said they will have a beta by the end of the year. Dec 05 20:35:56 gkatsev: you should play the lottery. Dec 05 20:36:17 Templarian: nope. Dec 05 20:36:28 brb Dec 05 20:36:47 gkatsev: nope as in? Dec 05 20:36:49 that's what they say, but meh idk. wouldn't the pre need gpu for the flash support or could we bear the minimal specs without it? Dec 05 20:52:30 debian chroot? Dec 05 20:52:46 sillydino: mount -o bind /media/internal /chroot/media/internal Dec 05 20:52:52 mkdir first if needed Dec 05 20:52:54 then chroot Dec 05 20:53:10 (no idea how long ago that was, sorry) Dec 05 20:53:29 oh i've been trying to figure this out all day =p Dec 05 20:53:38 thank you i'm trying your way now... Dec 05 20:55:52 actually it doesn't let me create a folder at the root there Dec 05 20:59:59 sillydino: remount it rw Dec 05 21:01:40 i ended up doing this: Dec 05 21:01:42 mount -o bind /media/internal /media/cf/media/internal Dec 05 21:02:19 if this works then maybe i'll add this to the fceux wiki page here Dec 05 21:02:20 ok Dec 05 21:02:24 what? Dec 05 21:02:29 where is debian chroot? Dec 05 21:02:43 mine? Dec 05 21:02:57 i followed these instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian Dec 05 21:03:20 Templarian: im not going to play the lottery Dec 05 21:05:09 Hehe. I changed the random number from 1 to 999 to 1 to 999999 so yea that should make it harder to happen. Dec 05 21:08:21 eh? Dec 05 21:09:22 hmm geostrings will probably have to be used with a higher capacity battery Dec 05 21:09:32 hello oil. Sites online and working if you didn't see. Dec 05 21:21:16 Templarian: if there's nothing in "Frequently Asked Questions" then don't show that line Dec 05 21:21:16 lol Dec 05 21:21:39 howabout infrequently asked questions? Dec 05 21:21:56 that removes quite a limitation on prerequisites. Dec 05 21:27:31 And a quick read through the guide for quick install Dec 05 21:27:33 i mean Dec 05 21:27:36 for updating Dec 05 21:27:41 "When you update the Package Manager Service, you will be asked to do a Luna Restart" Dec 05 21:27:43 no you wont Dec 05 21:28:29 it does java restart for service updates Dec 05 21:29:48 oil: updated the screenshots and I figured whitby would fill that in since he has answered so many questions. Dec 05 21:30:33 (he already edited an okay amount of the text in the site) Dec 05 21:30:52 also, just a usability thing Dec 05 21:31:07 wouldnt it make more sense in a browser with a mouse to have the entire line click to expand? Dec 05 21:31:13 and not just hte button on the right? Dec 05 21:31:39 Yea probably. Dec 05 21:32:04 er.. Dec 05 21:32:14 you did the whole site in xml? Dec 05 21:32:50 I posted my no airplaine patch Dec 05 21:32:57 hope others like it :d Dec 05 21:33:13 ird: Yea, it uses a very similar engine that I use for writing applications for the Palm Pre. Dec 05 21:33:18 er Dec 05 21:33:20 nevermind. Dec 05 21:34:02 *engine = framework Dec 05 21:35:08 I just checked and funny enough the site looks pretty good on the Palm Pre also. Dec 05 21:38:30 alrighty. thanks to rwhitby, powertop is now available on the ipkg-opt feed Dec 05 21:39:10 Templarian: what's the difference between using xml and xhtml? Dec 05 21:40:59 ird: it loads the XML in with javascript. It is not an XML site. Dec 05 21:41:13 An XML site would use XSL. Dec 05 21:42:10 Could you uh.. briefly explain what's going on there then? Dec 05 21:42:32 yay... video player has a memory bug... Dec 05 21:43:04 Abyssul_wIRC: how do you figure that? Dec 05 21:43:04 note to self: don't play video when you have 5 cards open. Dec 05 21:43:10 oic Dec 05 21:43:11 Oh yea simple. My framework parses the XML when it finds certain tags instead of inserting elements it inserts a lot more. http://www.preware.org/javascript/dd.preware.tags.js defines the tags. Dec 05 21:43:45 everytime I play a youtube or break video with like 5 cards open, it will freeze midway and crash luna Dec 05 21:43:56 Templarian: Ah, I see. Very interesting. Dec 05 21:44:10 I used to be so into web development... the last few years I've done nothing though. Dec 05 21:44:37 It's what makes that WoW armory application run so much faster than a normal mojo application. Dec 05 21:44:38 That's something I haven't seen yet. Dec 05 21:45:32 Go download it with preware really quick and you will notice it's look and feel is just a tiny bit more customised. Dec 05 21:47:25 hi, I'm trying to run this command "bunzip2 debsmall.img.bz2" I have the file In question on my desktop, I have tried running the "sudo" command as well and I get "no such file or directory" error Dec 05 21:47:48 Templarian: Slick app. Dec 05 21:48:48 this is for the gnuboy installation... Dec 05 21:49:27 try... cd ~/desktop Dec 05 21:49:28 :p Dec 05 21:49:31 er Dec 05 21:49:34 try... cd ~/Desktop Dec 05 21:49:35 xxtripxx: your question is more geared towards ##linux, but what ird said is accurate. Dec 05 21:51:06 do I need to include this line in the same line as as the one stated in my last messege Dec 05 21:51:17 no Dec 05 21:51:48 just do.. Dec 05 21:52:00 cd ~/Desktop Dec 05 21:52:05 bunzip2.... Dec 05 21:52:22 then run the other line? Dec 05 21:52:43 correct, sir Dec 05 21:53:45 thank you kindly, I'll try this and if doesn't work I'll try this other irc Dec 05 21:54:41 no problem.\ Dec 05 21:55:17 thanks ird, wish I wasn't writing a huge paper so I could work on it more. Dec 05 21:58:08 has the app-catalog download patch been ported to 1.3.5? Dec 05 21:59:08 Isn't it supposed to be fixed in 1.3.5? Dec 05 21:59:24 ird: what do you mean? Dec 05 21:59:43 I thought you were talking about the app catalog space issue. Dec 05 21:59:54 no the patch that shows you how many times any given app has been downloaded Dec 05 21:59:58 ah ok Dec 05 22:00:02 not the app-limit patch Dec 05 22:00:50 (most of the large patches have already been ported and are ready for 1.3.5) Dec 05 22:02:29 I looking at the 1.3.5 branch on gitnorious and I cant see it Dec 05 22:04:26 anybody with the download count patch on their 1.3.1 wanna go look at something for me? Dec 05 22:07:41 edektor: tell us the application name. Dec 05 22:07:51 Dropee Dec 05 22:09:13 what?? Dec 05 22:09:42 you can't view some youtube videos because I'm mobile? this is blasphemy Dec 05 22:10:11 166 edektor Dec 05 22:10:21 thanks Dec 05 22:13:21 does preware work on 1.3.5 Dec 05 22:13:38 why wouldnt it? Dec 05 22:13:39 lol Dec 05 22:13:59 its about as generic of a app as they come Dec 05 22:14:58 I dont know.. Maybe because the apps are stored in a different place now and the preware installer hasnt been updated to support that yet Dec 05 22:15:19 preware knows nothing about where apps are installed Dec 05 22:15:24 thats the package manager service Dec 05 22:15:35 and afaik rwhitby already updated it for 135 Dec 05 22:16:46 has he updated the installer Dec 05 22:16:52 (or so says twitter) Dec 05 22:17:50 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/ipkgservice.git;a=summary Dec 05 22:17:50 I cant get to get.preware.org or install.preware.org Dec 05 22:18:08 edektor: what is can't get to? what happens when it doesn't work? Dec 05 22:18:26 dbsooner: i dont know if youre aware but the patch, increase font 17 aqua shows up under available other/unknown instead of patches. Dec 05 22:18:29 404 Dec 05 22:19:13 both are working here Dec 05 22:19:30 rwhitby: I just go it Dec 05 22:19:31 sslow: was it removed from the feed/do you have hte patches feed turned off? Dec 05 22:19:41 that only happens when preware isn't told what type of package it is Dec 05 22:19:57 rwhitby: so do the installers support the latest version Dec 05 22:20:11 rwhitby, any problems with patches logging information to /var/log/webos-patches.log ? Dec 05 22:20:38 edektor: yes, preware fully supports the latest version (which is 1.3.1 at the moment, isn't it?) Dec 05 22:20:48 that on are on get.preware.org Dec 05 22:20:57 oil: no all of the other patches show up fine, that one just shows up under other/unknown Dec 05 22:21:17 you know what I mean Dec 05 22:22:26 sslow: its obviously not being told what type of package it is Dec 05 22:23:17 edektor: the stand-alone installers have not been updated for some time Dec 05 22:23:25 oil: i was just checking to see if it was just mine or if it was entered wrong, Thanks Dec 05 22:23:47 so just do it manually? Dec 05 22:23:59 is dbsonner around? Dec 05 22:24:55 edektor: do what manually? a reminder that discussion about future webOS version details is still under NDA. Dec 05 22:25:16 sslow it shows there for me as well Dec 05 22:25:23 possibly something in the metadata is messed up Dec 05 22:25:39 nevermind Dec 05 22:26:14 oil: thanks Dec 05 22:26:18 sslow: yeah, the metadata is messed up Dec 05 22:26:24 "Screenshots":["http://www.webos-internals.org/images/e/ee/Top-bar-increase-font-size-17-aqua-1.png"]] Dec 05 22:26:25 Hey is it possible to make some kind of service to sync tasks on webos with google tasks or will palm have to do this Dec 05 22:26:36 thats unbalanced, has an extra ] Dec 05 22:26:40 egaudet: syn|ack Dec 05 22:26:44 will cause the json parser to puke on that package Dec 05 22:27:11 rwhitby, see PM. I have some changes to autopatch to make it smarter Dec 05 22:27:31 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=autopatch/top-bar-increase-font-size-17-aqua/Makefile;h=5794bdbab3f611d024ceabab726fb68711ddffa4;hb=HEAD Dec 05 22:27:32 also want to start logging everything to /var/log/webos-patches.log or another name/place if we need Dec 05 22:27:34 dBsooner's fault xD Dec 05 22:29:47 someone needs to fix hte make file Dec 05 22:29:54 and, idk, bump the version? to get it to rebuild Dec 05 22:30:08 * oil doesn't know about patches Dec 05 22:30:33 Is adding a person's gmail account to their contact information sufficient in having google talk associate with that contact on webos? Dec 05 22:30:44 anybody know where i might be able to change dns settings on the pre? (google dns) Dec 05 22:31:45 You'll most likely have to edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf on the device. Dec 05 22:31:56 Quick question, I accidently started an update without removing my patches. I removed the battery before the update actually started. Is there any way I can stop the update now? Dec 05 22:32:16 thanks ! Dec 05 22:32:52 Keep in mind that your change *might* not work with some wifi APs that do that click-to-agree splash screen thing. Dec 05 22:33:21 tj___, just install EPR after update if you can't stop it and you should be fine Dec 05 22:33:52 does EPR remove the ipkg info files that cause preware to think you still have the package installed? Dec 05 22:34:12 s/have the package/have the patches/ Dec 05 22:34:12 dsevil meant: does EPR remove the ipkg info files that cause preware to think you still have the patches installed? Dec 05 22:36:39 * rwhitby bbl Dec 05 22:37:04 yes Dec 05 22:39:33 ah so I already was on 1.3.1 and the update was updating to 1.3.1 so I don't think it did any damage even though I didn't remove my patches. Dec 05 22:39:51 except now my sprint icon is back but a ipkg remove should take care of that Dec 05 22:55:49 hi guys is it possible to add google task and bookmark syncing with patches on webos? Dec 05 23:08:41 rwhitby: when you get back retweet what I said. Dec 05 23:12:21 lol Dec 05 23:13:10 hahah, twitter really took retweets to the next level this week Dec 05 23:13:43 They added that feature like 2 weeks ago. Dec 05 23:14:12 well, retreats have been around for years Dec 05 23:14:18 I rarely stop by the site... I was kidding anyway Dec 05 23:14:58 (I thought you were talking about how it shows retweets from others, which changed two weeks ago). Dec 05 23:15:53 is the guy behind JSTop on here? Dec 05 23:17:18 azakus is the guy Dec 05 23:22:09 edektor: what's up? Dec 05 23:22:48 Is there a way I can get more detailed info on the service handles my application has or is creating? Dec 05 23:22:58 not that I'm aware of Dec 05 23:23:05 all the service I'm using returns is # of service handles Dec 05 23:23:24 k thanks anyways Dec 05 23:23:28 np Dec 05 23:23:40 what service are you using for JSTop Dec 05 23:25:53 com.palm.lunastats Dec 05 23:26:19 you can see what I see with 'luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.lunastats/getStats {}' Dec 05 23:31:37 i can tell you if you grant me ssh access to your device :) Dec 05 23:47:53 rwhitby: ping Dec 05 23:52:18 jauderho: can one of the others of us help you? Dec 05 23:53:01 rick_home: no worries. I was going to point out another possible pkg for rwhitby to add to optware. since he was able to add powertop yesterday. Dec 05 23:53:16 ah Dec 05 23:53:37 just do it, tagged with his name, he reads the backloggs looking for his tag Dec 05 23:54:11 it's usually better to just say what you want to say with a name-tag in it, and most of us will get around to it. Far more useful than ping pong Dec 05 23:56:22 already msg'ed him. so no biggie. Dec 06 00:03:36 just a little comprehension question: i installed the optware bootstrap via my pre (as wel as ssh, ftp etc) - so far, so good. As i was not prompted to enter the unprivileged user's name, I guess i will have to follow the instructions on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps ie i will have to "reinstall" the bootstrap - is that correct? Dec 06 00:05:01 or do i simply have to find the shell script and to follow the instructions? what is the default location (it's not /tmp) when installed via the pre? Dec 06 00:05:51 Vince42: read the Homepage link for dropbear or opensh Dec 06 00:06:10 k, thx Dec 06 00:06:13 if you installed the stuff via preware, you don't need the bootstrap script any more Dec 06 00:06:21 you just need to create ssh keys and put them in the right place Dec 06 00:07:22 can i still create an unprivileged user then? Dec 06 00:08:06 you can, but we're suggesting that you use ssh keys and use root instead Dec 06 00:08:19 since that way you can sftp and scp into the phone and get and put anything Dec 06 00:08:54 ah, nice! learned something new today :) Dec 06 00:12:23 rick_home: I think the stuff in preware is now ready for some documentation and roll-out Dec 06 00:13:37 rwhitby: I agree. Dec 06 00:17:21 okay, key generated - but when i try to ssh to the pre it prompts for user (root) and then moans about "no supported authentication methods available" - what did i miss? Dec 06 00:18:28 Vince42: which documentation URL did you read? Dec 06 00:18:57 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Dec 06 00:19:43 grr. not having any luck with invoking the camera via cmd. Dec 06 00:19:45 line Dec 06 00:19:46 Vince42: and what are you doing with the private key? Dec 06 00:20:19 jauderho: define invoking :) Dec 06 00:20:29 well, I can get it to launch =) Dec 06 00:20:32 Vince42: Copy the id_rsa to /media/internal and then if you use PuTTY (Windows), use Puttygen to convert it to PPK format and use that with PuTTY Dec 06 00:20:33 they both are still on the pre ... guess i should get it to my workstation Dec 06 00:20:37 I want to trigger the capture =) Dec 06 00:20:43 via cmd-line Dec 06 00:20:45 jauderho: picture or video or audio? Dec 06 00:20:48 picture. Dec 06 00:20:56 Ok, so I am developing a Java service for YT2V for WebOS (to get the downloading to work) and I have a few questions. I couldn't find the answers elsewhere and was hoping to get help with it here. I need to know how to do (in Java) what PHP does for preg_match(), that is, how to do a regex match and get the returned results.. Dec 06 00:20:58 jauderho: oh, just use uh.. what's that element called... palmjpegenc? Dec 06 00:20:59 rwhitby ArthurThornton ye - i was too excited Dec 06 00:21:21 you can launch the app via luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch {\"id\":\"com.palm.app.camera\"} Dec 06 00:21:45 jauderho: oh... you're using the mojo app? That's #webos stuff. This is #webos-internals ;) Dec 06 00:21:56 guess i should put that on the wiki page - for other newbies :) Dec 06 00:21:56 heh Dec 06 00:22:09 You can take a picture with the gst debugger included in webos, no mojo necessary Dec 06 00:22:29 never tried it, dont know how to =) Dec 06 00:22:41 jauderho: if it would work for you, I can build you a command in a sec Dec 06 00:22:48 Vince42: please do, thanks. Dec 06 00:22:53 thing is with the mojo app, the filenaming and all the other crap is handled. Dec 06 00:23:01 zsoc, sure i'll play around with it. Dec 06 00:23:13 now if you could figure out how to dump a raw image.. =) Dec 06 00:23:45 @rwhitby Ok, so I am developing a Java service for YT2V for WebOS (to get the downloading to work) and I have a few questions. I couldn't find the answers elsewhere and was hoping to get help with it here. I need to know how to do (in Java) what PHP does for preg_match(), that is, how to do a regex match and get the returned results.. Dec 06 00:25:34 jauderho: gst-launch camsrc num-buffers=1 ! palmjpegenc ! filesink location=test.jpg Dec 06 00:25:42 jauderho: it should be something like that, i never actually tried it Dec 06 00:25:49 jauderho: if that doesn't work i can get my cable and figure it out Dec 06 00:26:21 zsoc: WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "palmjpegenc" Dec 06 00:26:38 bah, obviously that's not what it's called lol, 1 sec Dec 06 00:27:41 oh thats actually interesting Dec 06 00:29:08 try just gst-launch camsrc num-buffers=1 ! palmjpegencfilesink Dec 06 00:29:19 they added some undocumented 'frame burst' api in 1.3.1 i never looked into Dec 06 00:29:37 now you've gotten me interested in this, heh. too many projects Dec 06 00:30:40 ArthurThornton: what license is the java service going to be released under? Dec 06 00:31:23 rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH - is it okay like this? Dec 06 00:32:03 zsoc: there are some new undocumented features Dec 06 00:32:14 jauderho: was that a question or a statement? Dec 06 00:32:15 there's autocount and autodelay. Dec 06 00:32:19 statement Dec 06 00:32:28 you mean specifically with the camera? Dec 06 00:32:33 see app/controller/capture-assistant.js Dec 06 00:32:41 ah Dec 06 00:32:44 so you can take a sequence of pictures. Dec 06 00:32:51 Vince42: looks good Dec 06 00:32:52 right, that must use the burst shot property Dec 06 00:33:26 now if someone wants to chip in to help modify the camera app to have a time-lapse button (hint hint) that would be cool Dec 06 00:34:24 zsoc: getting an error Dec 06 00:34:33 letme generate a pastebin Dec 06 00:34:49 er... that would require altering the existing pipeline, xaiki could do it. Dec 06 00:34:49 jauderho: naw Dec 06 00:34:49 jauderho: i got it now, give me 2 seconds Dec 06 00:35:05 ArthurThornton: ping Dec 06 00:37:18 jauderho: are you familiar with the capture-assistant? Dec 06 00:37:34 read through it. why? Dec 06 00:38:02 i'm curious how it interacts with MediaServer (assuming that's the service it uses) Dec 06 00:38:27 you probably want to read javascripts/camera-control.js then Dec 06 00:38:54 jauderho: did you get a device full error? Dec 06 00:39:54 nope. internal data flow error Dec 06 00:39:54 http://webos.pastebin.com/d52bde73e Dec 06 00:40:08 ArthurThornton: try http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/essential/regex/ for java regex stuff Dec 06 00:42:22 trying to install preware, got novacom running, ran the prewareinstaller.jar file, says "Package installation complete, program should now appear on your Pre." Dec 06 00:42:26 where might it be ? Dec 06 00:45:42 yea im pretty sure its lying Dec 06 00:47:42 jerms: restart the pre, and it will be there Dec 06 00:48:02 jerms: the preware wiki page says that - what instructions were you following? Dec 06 00:52:50 nm got it Dec 06 00:53:11 following instructions where i speedread the guides, then go with my gut instinct? Dec 06 00:53:14 this time i didnt get burned :) Dec 06 00:53:36 lol nothing wrong with that, but you should always fully read it before running for help Dec 06 00:54:15 anchorman soundboard -- YOU GUYS READ MY MIND Dec 06 00:54:28 jerms: that wasn't in here Dec 06 00:54:53 im sorry, what wasnt in here ? Dec 06 00:55:12 i took "YOU GUYS" as in someone in here developed the soundboard Dec 06 00:55:48 predev community, whatever :) Dec 06 00:55:54 god yes, afternoon delight Dec 06 00:57:32 little progress ... but now ssh fails with "server refused our key" ... any idea what could be the reason for this? Dec 06 00:58:48 "/// TODO: should we sanitize the filename so it's not '/etc/passwd'" Dec 06 00:59:09 That might be the best comment I've read today Dec 06 00:59:59 Vince42: ssh -v will tell you Dec 06 01:00:06 good idea ... Dec 06 01:02:56 a right Dec 06 01:03:02 though he was using putty or something Dec 06 01:03:13 rwhitby: i only have putty and the log file delivers nothing useful :( Dec 06 01:04:21 i already checked the public keys - they're identical ... i read something about putty using the "commercial version of ssh" for its keys - but no difference can be seen ... Dec 06 01:08:58 Vince42: make sure you're using openssh keys Dec 06 01:09:05 not the commercial ssh2 keys Dec 06 01:09:49 wIRC here, wIRC there, wIRC EVERYWHERE Dec 06 01:10:12 i will check the putty options again - but from what i saw there is no choice ... well, we'll see ... Dec 06 01:14:25 Vince do you have ppk files for your putty? Dec 06 01:14:50 * rick_home thinks he needs to write that putty-how-to in his ample spare time Dec 06 01:15:18 on the openvpn install howto page, it mentioned a file palmpre.zip -- where do i get that ? Dec 06 01:15:42 jamesog: cpufrequtils built Dec 06 01:16:42 oops Dec 06 01:16:53 s/jamesog/jauderho/ Dec 06 01:17:00 rwhitby: hey you pulled a me Dec 06 01:30:57 jauderho: optware autobuilder will build cpufrequtils in the next run - should be in the feeds soon Dec 06 01:34:47 i tried to connect on the pre itself with ssh -v localhost - what do i learn from the output http://paste2.org/p/549179 ? Dec 06 01:38:12 Vince42: check /var/log/messages on the Pre Dec 06 01:38:26 looks like the authorized_keys file is not correct Dec 06 01:39:17 Hi could someone help me with installing gnuboy please? Dec 06 01:39:17 oh, you may need to set a root password too - it could be that sshd might barf if there is no root password (even though we're not using passwords for access) Dec 06 01:40:05 just read that :)) Dec 06 01:40:15 user 'root' has blank password, Dec 06 01:40:18 ouch Dec 06 01:41:32 passwd: cannot update password file /etc/passwd - how do i circumvent this? is a remount necessary? Dec 06 01:45:49 rootfs_open -w Dec 06 01:45:57 Vince42: please add all this to the wiki :-) Dec 06 01:46:01 I'm trying to follow the tutorial on how to install the gnu boy to the palm pre but i cant get passed the debian install... Dec 06 01:46:12 i hope i will be able to remember all that stuff :P Dec 06 01:46:14 and another silly question: how do i get ipkg-opt? i had it when i ran the bootstrap shell script, but i don't have it after i installed it via the pre ... Dec 06 01:46:23 powertop and cpufrequtils have been added to the optware advanced linux command line feed Dec 06 01:46:33 Vince42: you need to install it from Preware Dec 06 01:46:49 i think i did it ... odd again ... Dec 06 01:47:23 not the bootstrap, ipkg-opt is a separate optional package Dec 06 01:50:05 I try to run the "bunzip2 debsmall.img.bz2" command and it gives me this error message on the next line "bunzip2: Can't open input file debsmall.img.bz2: No such file or directory." Dec 06 01:50:12 will check that right after openssh is working Dec 06 01:51:25 rwhitby: shall i remount it ro again afterwards? i don't want to reboot my pre ... :) Dec 06 01:52:19 Someone want to grep their entire filesystem for "RENDER" for me? :p Dec 06 01:52:39 * zsoc vigorously greps /dev/null Dec 06 01:53:02 Vince42: don't need to Dec 06 01:55:00 yw: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH :) Dec 06 01:55:17 now i will check the ipkg-opt stuff :) Dec 06 01:55:17 Vince42: you might want to clarify on the wiki page that the password cannot be used for the connection - it just needs to be there for the ssh server to allow the keys Dec 06 01:55:28 good one Dec 06 01:56:28 good morning Dec 06 01:56:56 rwhitby: like this? Dec 06 01:57:02 good mourning Dec 06 01:57:14 cute mowing Dec 06 01:57:39 Vince42: you won't be using a password for the ssh connection, just an ssh key Dec 06 01:58:00 and in order to authenticate yourself you will use a password again, won't you? Dec 06 01:58:08 JackleRipper: could you help me with something? Dec 06 01:58:38 well, please feel free to adjust it according to your likings :) Dec 06 01:58:41 Vince42: no, the ssh key Dec 06 01:59:27 my terminal asks me for the password associated with the key. ofc it is possible to generate a key without a password - but who would do that? or am i misunderstanding you completely now? Dec 06 01:59:28 hi all Dec 06 01:59:49 hello Dec 06 02:00:16 Does anyone have any knowledge of how to install gnuboy on the palm pre Dec 06 02:00:16 Vince42: you mean passphase? Dec 06 02:01:16 Vince42: oh, your private key may be protected by a passphrase (and should be), but that has no relation to the root password on the Pre. Dec 06 02:01:25 JackieRipper: yes Dec 06 02:01:31 it's always called a passphrase to differentiate it from a password Dec 06 02:01:41 ah, k Dec 06 02:02:01 should i adjust the wiki page or will you do it? Dec 06 02:02:23 xxtripxx: your earlier question is part of the basic linux usage you will need to master independently to use gnuboy at this stage Dec 06 02:02:35 Vince42: you do it please Dec 06 02:03:39 Vince42: BTW, there is also a pwgen program in optware in preware which can be used to generate strong passwords for this purpose Dec 06 02:03:53 I'm sorry, very new but only need to know enough to do this and I'm good if you would be willing to take the time to do just that I would be happy... Dec 06 02:04:01 k, done Dec 06 02:04:44 rwhitby: i cannot find ipkg-opt or apache or the command line tools in my preware on my pre - i guess i am missing some feeds then? Dec 06 02:05:15 Vince42: ah, what's the URL in the Optware section in Manage Feeds in Preware? Dec 06 02:05:46 Vince42: you won't see apache there - it hasn't been packaged for preware - it's command line only Dec 06 02:06:13 rwhitby: sweet. thanks for putting that in Dec 06 02:06:58 well, once i have ipkg-opt, i can install my favourites via cli - npnp ... my urls are ipkg.preware.org/feeds/optware/all and .../armv7 Dec 06 02:07:53 Vince42: ok, so you should see the Optware Advanced Linux Command Line Installer package in Preware Dec 06 02:08:04 will look ... Dec 06 02:08:21 in the Optware feed Dec 06 02:08:52 the only optware package is "Optware Bootstrap" ... Dec 06 02:09:14 Looking for someone with some patients and a moments time to help me along my adventure of installing gnuboy on my pre Dec 06 02:09:20 Vince42: updated feeds? Dec 06 02:09:22 i just typed "opt" in the A-Z listing of all packages Dec 06 02:09:35 did it two days ago, but will do it now again Dec 06 02:09:55 two days is a *long* time in webos-internals world ... Dec 06 02:10:14 you're right - gosh ... Dec 06 02:11:30 did i mention already that you guys do an awesome job with all this stuff? i mean: which smartphone out there has such an excited and vivid community? and did i mention that i love my pre? :) Dec 06 02:13:18 are there many useful feeds besides the preset ones in "manage feeds" or does it suffice to stick with those? Dec 06 02:13:53 anyone know who makes JsTop? Dec 06 02:14:11 bshedwick: did you install it with Preware? Dec 06 02:14:41 i did Dec 06 02:14:41 Vince42: the preset ones are pretty much all at the moment Dec 06 02:14:41 bshedwick: the package entry in Preware will have a Maintainer link Dec 06 02:14:50 azakus did Dec 06 02:14:56 ok Dec 06 02:15:11 and it says that right in preware (which is what rwhitby was getting at) Dec 06 02:15:23 yeah Dec 06 02:15:47 i'm currently seperated from my pre so i figured i'd ask while i'm here Dec 06 02:16:25 bshedwick: yeah, we'll have that info on preware.org at some stage Dec 06 02:17:45 thats good Dec 06 02:17:53 anyone else here used JsTop? Dec 06 02:19:33 if i don't want to play with themes, i can safely set precentral-themes and prethemer to "off", right? Is there a description what all the feeds intend to deliver? Dec 06 02:20:51 PuffTheMagic: you about? Dec 06 02:28:03 next task will be to setup sftp ... but not tonight, i guess :) Dec 06 02:28:55 is it possible to overclock the pre past 600 mhz? Dec 06 02:29:53 i tried setting it to 700 and it instead clocked at 600 Dec 06 02:30:22 i think this apparent cap is defined in the file /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq Dec 06 02:30:42 but all attempts to modify it have failed, even after chmod 644 as root Dec 06 02:30:55 any solutions? Dec 06 02:31:05 dudestatus: uh... that's just how fast the chip goes dude Dec 06 02:31:20 no dude you can overclock anything past specs Dec 06 02:31:30 you just risk damage Dec 06 02:31:37 not by writing to that file Dec 06 02:32:09 my point exactly Dec 06 02:32:10 you would have to make some crazy hardware change Dec 06 02:32:16 normally you would Dec 06 02:32:19 * zsoc wonders how the bios works on webos devices Dec 06 02:32:24 but since this cpu has smart reflex Dec 06 02:32:30 I suppose it's some custom bios you'd have to reflash, or something... Dec 06 02:32:31 it can change via software Dec 06 02:32:35 hence the software cap in this file Dec 06 02:32:38 ajames: where the heck did you come from? :P Dec 06 02:32:40 cpufreq can only change to the frequencies the hardware presents to it Dec 06 02:32:47 zsoc: chillin Dec 06 02:34:08 so all attempts to oc past 600 have failed then.. Dec 06 02:34:15 dudestatus: instead of breaking the cpu, work on accessing the gpu ;) Dec 06 02:34:38 i'm only asking cause the overclock to 600 massively increased the nes emulator Dec 06 02:34:59 so at 700 i would be chillin Dec 06 02:35:36 you'd be fry'n the cpu though Dec 06 02:35:56 don't care. phone's already broken and i'm returning it as soon as i have time Dec 06 02:36:07 mic broke so it's warrenty covered Dec 06 02:36:30 Templarian: greg_roll is having problems with preware.org rendering Dec 06 02:37:05 Templarian: I get "JavaScript 1.8.x is required to view this page. Dec 06 02:37:05 " on IE8 in normal and compat mode Dec 06 02:37:18 dudestatus: that seems irresponsible, palm can replace a mic easily. Dec 06 02:37:24 Yea, that's normal. IE8 doesn't support 1.8.x Dec 06 02:37:52 ouch! so this page wont work with any IE browser? Dec 06 02:38:00 IE9. Dec 06 02:38:42 But no IE8's javascript is so old I didn't even try to make my framework work. It lacks a simple "get" and "set" Dec 06 02:38:42 thats not even beta yet is it? I haven't got an invite Dec 06 02:39:03 It's in closed beta. Dec 06 02:39:21 is IE9 webkit based? Dec 06 02:39:22 Templarian: hmm - that's problematic if you can't view preware.org on windows. Dec 06 02:39:31 ok i must be far behind here... YAMS is... ? Dec 06 02:39:39 the.. something Active Media Service? Dec 06 02:39:52 yeah I mean IE still hold 65% market share, yes it may not be the best but its still widely used Dec 06 02:39:54 rwhitby: Just IE8, FF, Safari, Chrome, Opera, etc... all work. Dec 06 02:40:09 what about the Pre's browser? Dec 06 02:40:14 works on the Pre fine Dec 06 02:40:21 Views perfectly in the webkit browser. Dec 06 02:40:55 has anyone besides zoddttd gotten psx emulation working on the pre? Dec 06 02:40:55 It's built on the framework I use to write webOS applications. Dec 06 02:40:55 ie is only used because it comes pre-installed and people don't know how to install another browser... Dec 06 02:41:09 so we need the error page for non-javascript to at least have info for those people who are using ie8 Dec 06 02:41:14 I will work on designing that error page. Dec 06 02:41:29 some static boring page Dec 06 02:41:37 (for a 3 day turn around basically it wasn't bad) Dec 06 02:41:43 "Warning: Your Browser is too lame to support this page." Dec 06 02:41:44 :) Dec 06 02:42:08 Templarian: it's awesome. that's why we want everyone to be able to see it :-) Dec 06 02:42:21 in the canuck feed are mytetherinstallers - why do they not show up in the preware app? Dec 06 02:42:47 Vince42: canuck feed is broken upstream. I can't fix it - Jason needs to. Dec 06 02:42:48 rwhitby: wait, you think someone's awesome? link me :> Dec 06 02:42:48 I'm not going to support IE8, the best they will get is a supplementary page with a brief overview. Dec 06 02:42:56 ah, k Dec 06 02:43:26 * Templarian has a party to go to so talk to you guys later. Dec 06 02:43:59 greg_roll: my plan wasn't to kill off IE8 at first I thought it had JS 1.8.x when I made the site I didn't realise till after I had written half of it. Dec 06 02:45:32 Templarian: no worries at least I know whats goign on now. Ill check it out on my Pre shortly :) Glad to see there is a page now Dec 06 02:45:42 rwhitby: btw: i think we should start twofolded wiki pages in some way - one explaining the shell setup, the other what to do after you installed something via preware - some ppl maybe won't see the point where to jump into the manual ... Dec 06 02:46:02 Vince42: agreed - can you start that ;-) Dec 06 02:48:49 i wish i could - but i am still a damn newb - i won't dare to ... :) Dec 06 02:49:08 starts already that i don't know how to make nice pre screenshots etc Dec 06 02:49:23 * rwhitby bbl **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 06 02:59:58 2009