**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 06 02:59:58 2009 Dec 06 03:20:27 dBsooner: patch problem Dec 06 03:21:45 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=autopatch/top-bar-increase-font-size-17-aqua/Makefile;h=5794bdbab3f611d024ceabab726fb68711ddffa4;hb=HEAD Dec 06 03:21:53 extra ] in screenshots Dec 06 03:22:54 rwhitby: regarding the service, I would release it as AGPL most likely, but it depends on what licensing is permitted by WebOS Internals Dec 06 03:23:01 yehahhh BitchX on my Pre. Dec 06 03:23:56 ducking out to try it from the on-device Terminal app... Dec 06 03:24:10 oil: what? Dec 06 03:24:27 click link Dec 06 03:24:27 read comment after link Dec 06 03:24:36 ok Dec 06 03:24:39 i see it Dec 06 03:24:41 when was that pushed? Dec 06 03:24:43 it breaks the json parser Dec 06 03:24:45 idk Dec 06 03:24:48 grr Dec 06 03:24:48 rod Dec 06 03:24:54 the patch creator came in asking why it wasn't in patches Dec 06 03:25:01 ok.. fixing it Dec 06 03:25:02 cause preware couldn't parse that broken json Dec 06 03:25:14 ok Dec 06 03:25:16 give me just a min Dec 06 03:25:20 no hurry Dec 06 03:25:26 sslow was just asking about it earlier Dec 06 03:25:33 PREofR bitchX? Dec 06 03:25:35 why not wIRC? Dec 06 03:25:53 wirc ftw Dec 06 03:25:57 srsly Dec 06 03:27:06 oh im trying that next. i dislike that wirc requires a service. so does Terminal but at least the one terminal service services all curses apps Dec 06 03:27:40 terminal doesn't have a service Dec 06 03:27:40 did you really just say srsly? srsly? haha Dec 06 03:27:44 it has a browser plugin Dec 06 03:27:59 terminal has a service Dec 06 03:28:27 terminal has a browser plugin... Dec 06 03:28:33 and a plugin Dec 06 03:28:36 nm.. it was my push, not Rod Dec 06 03:28:36 PREofR: terminal is a browser plugin.. as you can see in Preware and on WebOS Internals' git repo Dec 06 03:28:38 it doesn't have a service Dec 06 03:28:47 it has a mojo app Dec 06 03:28:50 and the browser plugin Dec 06 03:28:52 thats it Dec 06 03:30:32 hm yer right. even more justification for a terminal irc client. Dec 06 03:30:47 dBsooner: i wasn't laying blame, just pointing out the problem so someone could fix it Dec 06 03:31:08 you have commit access. ;) Dec 06 03:31:12 why did i "know" i had a service backend? did it used to previously? Dec 06 03:31:14 i know, but im too lazy Dec 06 03:31:35 PREofR, if you think running a command line irc client in terminal is better then wIRC, you've got some problems Dec 06 03:31:38 lol Dec 06 03:31:42 fixed next build run. Dec 06 03:31:47 define better Dec 06 03:31:53 better Dec 06 03:32:02 ~dict better Dec 06 03:32:05 :D Dec 06 03:32:13 it has certain advantages, and surely certain disadvantages. Dec 06 03:32:20 HUH? Dec 06 03:32:23 Where is infobot!? Dec 06 03:32:28 which could be said oflinux in general. Dec 06 03:32:39 ~botsnack ? Dec 06 03:32:45 Poor fella. Dec 06 03:32:52 PREofR: wIRC is better then command line irc client in terminal Dec 06 03:32:53 lol Dec 06 03:33:12 and im not just saying that because i developed it Dec 06 03:33:26 wirc is a gui is all. gui does not define better Dec 06 03:33:38 its merely an element Dec 06 03:33:39 wIRC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line Dec 06 03:33:44 a GUI is how you interact with the software Dec 06 03:33:47 it makes ALL the difference Dec 06 03:34:03 This is just a silly conversation. You're trying to convince a room full of linux nerds that command line is better than gui in a case where clearly you're wrong. Dec 06 03:34:17 It's like the pot calling the kettle metaphysical. Dec 06 03:34:31 the biggest linux command line nerd in webos-internals worked on wirc/wircd Dec 06 03:34:31 Especially when you are using a terminal app .. Dec 06 03:34:40 and that person is PuffTheMagic Dec 06 03:34:43 * dBsooner pokes PuffTheMagic Dec 06 03:34:46 lol Dec 06 03:34:59 wirc is a curses app? i hadnt even run it yet. i should shut up about stuff untill _after_ i use it ! Dec 06 03:35:19 wirc is a mojo app Dec 06 03:35:21 I think you just said it all. Dec 06 03:35:27 made specifically for webos Dec 06 03:35:27 or were you saying greater than? Dec 06 03:36:09 If you're referring to my statement above, yes, that is MUCH greater than Dec 06 03:36:18 i did? uh and you have usedbitchx so that you arenot guilty of the same thing? Dec 06 03:36:32 i have used bitchx a lot before Dec 06 03:36:41 I only used bitchx on the pre BEFORE wirc was tehre Dec 06 03:36:48 i never used it on the pre Dec 06 03:36:52 Does anyone know what I am looking for here? Ok, so I am developing a Java service for YT2V for WebOS (to get the downloading to work) and I have a few questions. I couldn't find the answers elsewhere and was hoping to get help with it here. I need to know how to do (in Java) what PHP does for preg_match(), that is, how to do a regex match and get the returned results.. I read a few pages in the Java docs as recommended Dec 06 03:36:54 got it. noted Dec 06 03:36:56 i imagine that would make it even more painful Dec 06 03:37:26 ArthurThornton: did you try google? Dec 06 03:37:34 * oil knows nothing of java Dec 06 03:37:50 ducking out to try ... cgi::irc hahaha Dec 06 03:37:51 I researched it and found nothing relevant to java's implementation of returning the results, if there is anything Dec 06 03:37:57 i'll bbl.. where did egaudet go btw? Dec 06 03:38:13 dBsooner: COD addiction Dec 06 03:38:16 xD Dec 06 03:38:27 and oil, this is my first time using java, so we are in the same boat Dec 06 03:38:29 oil: ahhh.. I wanted to knwo when he wanted to meet to talk more about the APT changes Dec 06 03:38:37 if you see him, tell him I will be back in about an hour Dec 06 03:38:42 lol Dec 06 03:38:59 ArthurThornton: i think PuffTheMagic is the local java guru Dec 06 03:39:11 ok.. thanks Dec 06 03:39:12 but all these pings and he has yet to say anything, so he is probably AFK Dec 06 03:40:04 ArthurThornton: what exactly do you mean by "get returned results"? Dec 06 03:40:14 like just a true/false? Dec 06 03:40:29 php's preg_match returns more then that Dec 06 03:40:34 it returns what was matched Dec 06 03:40:41 if you look at preg_match in PHP, you enter the regex. You put (.*) in as a wildcard and it will return the matched result Dec 06 03:40:51 ah very nice. cards for windows/tabs Dec 06 03:42:52 ArthurThornton: i see, have you tried ##java? Dec 06 03:43:05 that would work.. thanks.. I will try that now. Dec 06 03:46:02 PREofR: wirc is win on webos Dec 06 03:46:13 even though its super early in its development Dec 06 03:46:45 ... the browser almost handles cgi::irc. text is all way too tiny and can't seem to actually talk. logs in and displays ok though. Dec 06 03:47:37 yeah yeah its nice I'm not denying that. my point was that sweeping statements are automatically wrong and retarded. Dec 06 03:48:25 whats good Dec 06 03:48:30 saying wirc is better then command line irc in the terminal app is not sweeping and wrong Dec 06 03:48:35 its truthful and accurate Dec 06 03:48:43 mundu.com Dec 06 03:48:57 if nothing else, bitchx's useulness is as a backup Dec 06 03:49:52 its sweeping and stupid. its like saying rockets are better than pickup trucks. Dec 06 03:50:01 no its not Dec 06 03:50:02 lol Dec 06 03:50:07 no its not Dec 06 03:50:23 rockets and pickup trucks are apples and oranges Dec 06 03:50:31 its like saying a corvette is better than a pinto Dec 06 03:50:36 pinto = good at being a car Dec 06 03:50:42 corvette = much faster Dec 06 03:50:48 and better Dec 06 03:50:50 ... Dec 06 03:50:52 lol Dec 06 03:50:52 yeah Dec 06 03:50:56 unless you don't want a carvettes repair bils. Dec 06 03:51:05 hi oil. Dec 06 03:51:11 EVERYONE SHUT UP Dec 06 03:51:15 lol Dec 06 03:51:17 or unless you don't want to be a target for tickets and theives Dec 06 03:51:21 oh crap, for a second i forgot i could minimize the window Dec 06 03:51:24 * zsoc drink his bourbon Dec 06 03:51:25 zsoc: you shut up and go bacxk to precorder. :) Dec 06 03:51:26 zsoc: hows the cam goin Dec 06 03:51:39 dBsooner: oc80: good and bad :) Dec 06 03:51:43 * oil wonders when precorder will get viewfinder so he can submit some art+codes Dec 06 03:52:04 giggity Dec 06 03:52:24 cause as it is now, there isn't much i can contribute, its got everything it needs Dec 06 03:52:51 hi edektor Dec 06 03:52:51 oil: when palm releases the GPU _or_ the source code of the render overlay plugin/wrapper display.. NPAPI.. thingy... then :P Dec 06 03:52:57 oil: do you use Komodo? Dec 06 03:53:10 lol Dec 06 03:53:16 dBsooner: i use eclipse Dec 06 03:53:41 zsoc: is it possible you could "stream" the camera feed into a video viewer and (possibly) embed that into the app? Dec 06 03:54:00 well, as nice as wirc is.. I'm kinda glad xchat is just about always going to be available instead... Dec 06 03:54:20 I think each person in this room has to give one suggestion on how to accomplish a video preview, as if I haven't thought about it at all. Dec 06 03:54:20 zsoc: i assume you've tried just slapping whats in teh camera app into precorder? Dec 06 03:54:36 oil: I might actually find you for the purpose of physical damage Dec 06 03:54:40 ever see jetbrains Dec 06 03:54:55 lol Dec 06 03:55:21 im pretty resilient to physical damage Dec 06 03:55:32 oil: it's mojo dragon territory. the APIs in the camera app do all sorts of things i want to avoid. and moving into the palmInitMedia framework, still calls I want to avoid. I just want the dfb surface made :P Dec 06 03:55:33 i had an older sister who was a blackbelt Dec 06 03:55:43 i might have to use ameng's directfb build, i was trying to avoid it Dec 06 03:56:06 lol Dec 06 03:56:17 oc80: you need me? Dec 06 03:57:49 welcome Dec 06 03:57:50 to hell. Dec 06 03:58:04 thank you? Dec 06 03:58:14 $5 cover charge. Dec 06 03:58:27 oc80: what are you up to these days? Dec 06 03:58:56 working on tv-out for wireless A/V system ... at momdukes house Dec 06 03:59:42 *shrug* Dec 06 03:59:44 is there a good version of the webos touch keyboard yet? Dec 06 03:59:46 http://priv.efnet.pe/~oc80/eztv Dec 06 04:00:16 would you say there is a way to require the installation of PHP for a JAVA service? Dec 06 04:00:49 lo Dec 06 04:00:50 l Dec 06 04:01:03 wot Dec 06 04:01:04 just so you can preg_match? Dec 06 04:01:11 pretty much Dec 06 04:01:18 * oil wouldn't install it Dec 06 04:01:36 the thing is, I saw a php file in one of palm's apps once, i just can't remember which one Dec 06 04:01:54 lol Dec 06 04:02:13 i can tell you php is NOT installed on the phone by deafult Dec 06 04:02:16 oh who wrote that blue tux theme Dec 06 04:02:17 root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# find /usr/palm/applications | grep php Dec 06 04:02:20 its #1 Dec 06 04:02:20 :D Dec 06 04:02:38 output: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.youtube/test/proxy.php Dec 06 04:02:39 i've actually had this conversation before when someone was all "oh, but ruby is there, look at this program that has it!" Dec 06 04:02:56 you can put anything in a package file Dec 06 04:03:03 it doesn't mean its being ran/is used Dec 06 04:03:08 yeah, I know php isn't there by default, but I find it fully that Palm included a PHP file in an app.. just kinda funny Dec 06 04:03:17 i could put a .exe in preware's package Dec 06 04:03:22 it doesn't mean its being used Dec 06 04:03:35 it was probably just in their source for reference Dec 06 04:03:41 and they never removed it before packaging it for installation Dec 06 04:04:51 can anyone help me with install gnuboy, I cant seem to get my linux terminal to recognize my desktop Dec 06 04:05:09 I have linux install side by side of windows 7, so i can dual boot Dec 06 04:05:42 xxtripxx: what I did was use my ubuntu vm (VirtualBox) to create it and then SFTP it to my pre Dec 06 04:05:58 (it being the debian img) Dec 06 04:06:14 Then I just ran all of the commands.. What do you mean you are having trouble with your linux terminal? Dec 06 04:08:28 I find it truly impossibly that java lacks the functionality you're looking for Dec 06 04:08:59 * oil too Dec 06 04:09:11 oil: please put an .exe in preware, it would cause great amusement over on the precentral forums Dec 06 04:09:22 lol Dec 06 04:09:43 i had an argument once about ruby being on the pre Dec 06 04:09:45 well you know how it says in the tut to run this command "bunzip2 debsmall.img.bz2" well i get this error "bunzip2: Can't open input file debsmall.img.bz2: No such file or directory." Dec 06 04:10:06 cause some app had ruby files in it Dec 06 04:10:16 and the img file is right their on my desktop Dec 06 04:10:38 xxtripxx_: again, this is a ##linux problem Dec 06 04:10:51 xxtripxx_: what is the output of 'pwd'? Dec 06 04:11:01 i know but arthurThorton was talking to me about it Dec 06 04:11:18 "pwd" sry very new to linux Dec 06 04:11:36 xxtripxx_: type those 3 letters in to the terminal and hit enter, and tell me what it says Dec 06 04:12:26 "/home/justin" Dec 06 04:12:50 i tried to run the cd command to change dir. but it wont recognize my desktop Dec 06 04:12:57 capital D Dec 06 04:12:59 cd Desktop Dec 06 04:13:06 I am continuing to look but I am not finding the functionality in a full way. I found Matcher.group() and will see about that, but from what I see, that returns the whole matched string when I am looking solely for a portion of it that is a wildcard identified by (.*) and not "t": "(string I want)" Dec 06 04:13:40 "bash: cd: desktop: No such file or directory" this is what i get back Dec 06 04:13:49 ArthurThornton: i would wait on PuffTheMagic before i do anything drastic. He _might_ know the answer.. and may even be willing to tell you about it Dec 06 04:14:01 xxtripxx_: that doesn't particularly make sense. what linux distro? Dec 06 04:14:14 unbuntu 9.04 Dec 06 04:14:20 and are you in gnome-terminal? Dec 06 04:14:21 and by drastic, he means install php just for preg_match Dec 06 04:14:24 LOL Dec 06 04:14:26 i believe so Dec 06 04:14:29 xxtripxx_ linux is CaSe SenSitIVE... ie... use capital D Dec 06 04:14:50 GNOME Terminal 2.26.0 Dec 06 04:14:55 oh. i assumed you capitalized the D, after I specifically said CAPITALIZE THE D Dec 06 04:14:56 twice. Dec 06 04:15:08 ArthurThorton ok i will try case sensitve Dec 06 04:15:15 * zsoc stabs himself Dec 06 04:15:25 lol very sry zsoc Dec 06 04:15:31 zsoc: roflol Dec 06 04:16:42 ok i think i was already on the desktop cuz it didnt change anything after i ran the command but i also didnt get any errors Dec 06 04:17:11 THAT MEANS IT WORKED Dec 06 04:17:13 HAVE YOU EVER USED DOS Dec 06 04:17:16 HOW OLD ARE YOU Dec 06 04:17:17 so i tried to run the "bunzip2 debsmall.img.bz2" command again and still the same error Dec 06 04:17:30 hi Dec 06 04:17:34 I'm 21 and my i only know a few commands.... Dec 06 04:17:41 dBsooner: pong Dec 06 04:17:52 egaudet_wirc: dBsooner was looking for you Dec 06 04:18:00 and said to tell you he would be back in an hour Dec 06 04:18:18 oil: you did a good job Dec 06 04:18:22 lol Dec 06 04:18:46 zsoc: it still isn't seeing my desktop... Dec 06 04:18:55 ??? very confusing Dec 06 04:19:15 * oil wants to know who it was who told everyone to install gnuboy and isn't providing support Dec 06 04:19:19 xxtripxx_: output of pwd again Dec 06 04:19:33 got it oil Dec 06 04:19:44 yeah, i dont remember how long ago it was he said that though Dec 06 04:19:47 noone told anyone it was in an article on precentral.net Dec 06 04:19:56 tell him to ping my wirc name when he gets back Dec 06 04:20:04 precentral is the bane of my existence Dec 06 04:20:15 lol Dec 06 04:20:23 xxtripxx_: ask for help on precentral xD Dec 06 04:20:48 lol Dec 06 04:20:48 xxtripxx send me a PM on the PC forums... same username as my nick here Dec 06 04:21:03 azakus: do you know where the .jar file is for lunaStats Dec 06 04:21:05 but it doesnt pretain to gnuboy tho its a linuz prob that even the guys in ##linux wont help me Dec 06 04:21:45 i can try to help you out since I do know linux and could be able to help you but it is not webos-internals related Dec 06 04:21:59 xxtripxx_: spend 10 minutes reading an article about most commonly used linux command lines Dec 06 04:22:12 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Gnuboy Dec 06 04:22:22 would you be so kind as to direct me to a good one and i will take the time Dec 06 04:22:29 giyf Dec 06 04:23:07 "google it you fuck" Dec 06 04:23:16 ??? Dec 06 04:23:16 lol Dec 06 04:24:01 google is your friend Dec 06 04:24:03 zsoc: assuming that's what that means? Dec 06 04:24:03 but your one was good too Dec 06 04:24:12 LMAO Dec 06 04:24:31 I was thinking more along the lines of what xxtripxx_ said Dec 06 04:24:51 roflmao Dec 06 04:25:03 anyways... Dec 06 04:25:16 AthurThorton: where did you want me to PM you? Dec 06 04:25:26 I PM'd you here in the IRC Dec 06 04:25:41 got it Dec 06 04:31:41 apparently, xxtripxx_ is now back in.. told him to 'cd ~/Desktop' and try his adventures again.. sure enough, it worked.. Dec 06 04:43:03 egaudet_wirc: ping Dec 06 04:43:05 oil: thanks Dec 06 04:45:38 hi Dec 06 04:46:05 what is up Dec 06 04:46:16 I was watching the UT vs Nebraska game Dec 06 04:46:19 the sky Dec 06 04:47:01 Yeah.. it usually is. Dec 06 04:49:17 egaudet_wirc: with all this logging, we should make a way to have Preware email it to us Dec 06 04:50:09 * oil says: add a ticket Dec 06 04:50:11 if someone needs more help with troubleshooting, they can choose upload Dec 06 04:50:21 or send log Dec 06 04:53:23 lol trip is a funny guy Dec 06 04:54:19 entity-: i think he trolled us all Dec 06 04:54:28 epic troll if that was the case Dec 06 04:59:00 yea emailing the log will be good Dec 06 05:01:35 so for activating debian on the palm pre do you have to run the command line on the pre or the pc Dec 06 05:05:45 egaudet_wirc: why do you do a "rm -rf $PATCH_CONTROL_DIR" right after a check for it? Dec 06 05:05:55 you did a ! -d and then do a rm -rf? Dec 06 05:06:00 isn't that a bit redundant? Dec 06 05:07:43 a bit but it could oddly exist and not be a dir Dec 06 05:08:00 that's not new tho Dec 06 05:08:43 i know Dec 06 05:08:52 I was just commenting on it because I am reading through everything Dec 06 05:09:45 does anyone know if you have to activate debiam from linux pc command line or from the palm pre??? Dec 06 05:09:56 debian* Dec 06 05:10:18 egaudet_wirc: will a postinst_extra ever need the IPKG_OFFLINE_DIR? Dec 06 05:10:29 s/DIR/ROOT/ Dec 06 05:11:29 l Dec 06 05:12:16 Where is IPKG_INFO_DIR getting set? Dec 06 05:15:18 can someone help me with activating debian on the palm pre Dec 06 05:16:11 I dunno wjat extra will ever need. extra will go away when we get themes involved Dec 06 05:16:23 info dir I forgot fixed locally Dec 06 05:20:07 egaudet? Dec 06 05:20:18 egaudet_wirc: what do you mean fixed locally? Dec 06 05:23:53 on my pc Dec 06 05:24:12 its /usr/lib/ipkg/info Dec 06 05:24:13 so don't you need to set that in prerm? Dec 06 05:24:25 I know.. but you declare $IPKG_INFO_DIR Dec 06 05:24:31 I did Dec 06 05:24:31 and don't set it in prerm Dec 06 05:24:35 on my pc Dec 06 05:24:41 oh.. not in the upload Dec 06 05:24:41 hence locally.... Dec 06 05:25:00 right Dec 06 05:25:02 so in YOUR copy of prerm, you have it set Dec 06 05:25:13 in MY copy from omploader, its not set. Dec 06 05:25:14 gotcha Dec 06 05:25:15 rod pointed it out to me Dec 06 05:25:19 ok Dec 06 05:25:36 i have a stupid question Dec 06 05:25:44 whats the deal with no pay apps in canada Dec 06 05:26:02 and where is the *md5sums file coming from? Dec 06 05:26:09 I don't see it being added in postinst or prerm.. Dec 06 05:26:20 and its non existing on my device Dec 06 05:27:19 its palms Dec 06 05:27:35 yeah, the build system generates it Dec 06 05:27:37 palm gives md5sum of all files in all stock packages Dec 06 05:27:45 oh.. /usr/lib Dec 06 05:27:46 nm Dec 06 05:27:57 I wasn't looking in root Dec 06 05:27:58 ugh... hi all Dec 06 05:28:01 muh bad Dec 06 05:28:03 my Backup isn't working :( Dec 06 05:28:22 Anyone else having issues? Dec 06 05:30:15 egaudet_wirc: so you run two for loops.. nice. Dec 06 05:30:43 sarcastic? Dec 06 05:30:46 first one to check for if the file is modified. Dec 06 05:30:51 no.. I like your approach Dec 06 05:31:25 then you applied the -R and checked again to see if the file was original at that point Dec 06 05:31:49 yea to throw away backp file Dec 06 05:32:35 yeah, if, and only if, it is original Dec 06 05:32:52 because another patch could have still been applied. Dec 06 05:32:53 good call Dec 06 05:33:07 thanks Dec 06 05:33:27 Why are you restarting luna? Dec 06 05:33:37 like to put it through its paces Dec 06 05:33:52 that's old Dec 06 05:34:48 if [ -z $IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT ] ; then /sbin/stop LunaSysMgr /sbin/start/LunaSysMgr fi Dec 06 05:35:07 IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT *should* always be set going forward Dec 06 05:35:13 so each prerm, Luna will restart Dec 06 05:35:17 can someone help me activate debian on my pre? Dec 06 05:35:18 that's old Dec 06 05:35:21 that's old Dec 06 05:35:26 meaning? Dec 06 05:35:27 removed locally Dec 06 05:35:31 there Dec 06 05:35:38 rest of it looks sound Dec 06 05:35:41 I like it Dec 06 05:35:45 its been there since day one Dec 06 05:36:01 I know, but we need to get rid of it now Dec 06 05:36:05 but now that var has to be set it can go away Dec 06 05:36:07 because IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT will be set Dec 06 05:36:11 ok Dec 06 05:36:17 I rm on my copy already Dec 06 05:36:28 you get to EPR yet? Dec 06 05:36:38 yea Dec 06 05:36:43 I like this Dec 06 05:36:46 epr is fine tho Dec 06 05:37:06 Next we need to get the new build.git setup Dec 06 05:37:16 so we can start the "not_ported" setup Dec 06 05:37:29 Tomorrow? Dec 06 05:40:24 yea we gotta branch Dec 06 05:40:49 for all this stuff Dec 06 05:44:09 egaudet_wirc: What do you mean? Oh.. branch build.git temporarily Dec 06 05:44:22 yea Dec 06 05:45:05 egaudet_wirc: good idea. We can branch it tomorrow and start it up. I would like to get this new APT upgrade into production by Monday am. Dec 06 05:45:35 I dunno about that Dec 06 05:45:35 egaudet_wirc: Because we are living on borrowed time before palm releases "an update". Dec 06 05:45:52 this is major change. I'd shoot for mid to late week Dec 06 05:46:06 egaudet_wirc: well then we need to get the new build.git branch to build into testing feed Dec 06 05:46:27 yep Dec 06 05:46:32 egaudet_wirc: I push for mid. Because we REALLY need to get this out before palm. Dec 06 05:46:36 test feed for sure Dec 06 05:46:51 I agree Dec 06 05:47:15 But nothing would be worse than pushing something broken Dec 06 05:48:07 exactly Dec 06 05:48:09 egaudet_wirc: What about adding some sort of log rotate to the webos-patches.log Dec 06 05:48:23 what do you mean Dec 06 05:48:39 Well, eventually it would be huge. Dec 06 05:48:55 Like I install 60+ patches Dec 06 05:49:09 so after 2 or 3 Palm update cycles, it could get huge Dec 06 05:49:14 infobot! Dec 06 05:49:15 meh that's fine Dec 06 05:49:21 my buddY! where the hell you been? Dec 06 05:49:25 ~botsnack Dec 06 05:49:26 aw, gee, dBsooner Dec 06 05:50:12 but yea we should somehow get fresh log for webos version Dec 06 05:50:30 maybe I'll change to webos-patches-version.log Dec 06 05:54:09 yeah, that should be simple Dec 06 06:02:38 hello again Dec 06 06:03:11 still need some help activating debian on my palm pre if someone would b so kind as to help Dec 06 06:06:46 I don't mean to b annoying, which I know I am but, I rly need some help activating debian on the pre Dec 06 06:07:02 * oil would help if he knew anything about it at all Dec 06 06:07:26 hahaha thanks for atleast ack. me Dec 06 06:07:30 * dBsooner doesn't even know what "activating debian on the pre" means Dec 06 06:07:48 dBsooner: running it instead of luna? Dec 06 06:07:52 Ohh Dec 06 06:08:08 * dBsooner likes Luna. She's pretty and works good @ 500MHz. Dec 06 06:08:23 lol Dec 06 06:09:08 that's great... Dec 06 06:09:54 well I just need some to read the tut at webos wiki internals and help me through the command lines if you would Dec 06 06:11:06 I know how to change the directory now but how do I change the directory to the palm pre when its connected Dec 06 06:11:33 "cd ~/Palm Pre" ??? Dec 06 06:11:45 I tried that and it didn't work... Dec 06 06:13:47 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Gnuboy Dec 06 06:14:01 plz someone... Dec 06 06:14:53 again, i don't know anything about any of that, i've never done anything cli on my pre Dec 06 06:15:24 but you understand basic linux commands??? Dec 06 06:15:53 if so, how do I change the directory to a device plugged into usb Dec 06 06:16:10 it comes up"dev/sdc" Dec 06 06:16:52 is it mounted? Dec 06 06:18:33 not at the moment but when I chose usb on the pre, then it mounts but only the device mounts and I need to mount the debsmall.img that's in /media/internals Dec 06 06:19:14 * oil has no clue Dec 06 06:19:50 you probably want to novaterm into the device... Dec 06 06:20:59 night Dec 06 06:21:12 ~night egaudet Dec 06 06:21:13 have a good night, egaudet Dec 06 06:26:51 gkatsev: how do I do that if you would b willing to tell me. Dec 06 06:27:30 install the SDK, enable dev mode on the pre, plug the pre in, select just charge then run novaterm Dec 06 06:27:41 or something like that. there are steps on the wiki Dec 06 06:29:32 that reminds me, i need to hack on the windows novaterm thing some more Dec 06 06:31:33 are you talking about windows or linux??? Dec 06 06:31:53 xxtrip420xx: works in either one. since geist wrote a novaterm for windows Dec 06 06:33:01 hello Dec 06 06:33:06 lol Dec 06 06:33:18 finally got xchat on linux pc Dec 06 06:33:23 talking to myself now Dec 06 06:33:37 how are you? Dec 06 06:33:43 not too bad and you? Dec 06 06:33:45 lol Dec 06 06:34:05 lol logging off of the pre laterz Dec 06 06:34:17 laterz Dec 06 06:34:46 ok now i dont have to use my girls pre Dec 06 06:34:46 lol Dec 06 06:35:22 so again back to needing to figure out how to activate debian on the palm pre Dec 06 06:35:48 all of this just to play old skool gameboy on the pre Dec 06 06:43:15 I'm having a hard time trying to get webosquickinstall to recognize my device, both in Windows 7 and in OS X, it doesn't recognize it. Dec 06 06:43:31 this is the first time I've tried to get it to work Dec 06 06:44:38 EdLin: the best thing is to install the Palm SDK, and follow Palm's intructions for those platforms to get novacom connecting first. Dec 06 06:45:22 I got novocom installed. Dec 06 06:46:40 I had the Palm SDK installed in OS X, but the program was complaining that it was too new a version of novocom, so I uninstalled it. On Windows 7, I never had the SDK installed, yet I'm having trouble here too. Dec 06 06:48:41 rwhitby, are you still there? Dec 06 06:49:50 * EdLin decides to try again when more people are awake in NA Dec 06 06:51:16 EdLin: rwhitby is all you need. :) Dec 06 06:51:36 lol Dec 06 06:51:45 im going to sleep now. Dec 06 06:51:46 rwhitby needs to help people with gnuboy xD Dec 06 06:51:46 night all Dec 06 06:51:51 later gkatsev Dec 06 06:51:53 ~night Dec 06 06:54:56 EdLin: yep, I'm still around. I use the SDK on Mac, and it always works perfectly. Dec 06 06:55:09 works from a linux virtualbox VM too Dec 06 06:56:10 oil: anyone who wants help with gnuboy needs to prove they've read some basic linux command line doco first. Dec 06 06:56:20 lol Dec 06 07:04:49 free pandora sounds like ass Dec 06 07:05:41 lol Dec 06 07:05:46 i didn't use it for a while Dec 06 07:05:55 and listened to it again the other day and noticed its lack of quality Dec 06 07:06:11 I say we make things brilliant Dec 06 07:07:06 eh? Dec 06 07:07:56 Google and Apple have the upper hand cuz they have cash flow. Dec 06 07:09:43 Palm started apps back in 1999 Dec 06 07:12:18 yeah, to me the same thing had it playing in the rental when I went back east and it was good, and now I think it is hideous can't listen to it Dec 06 07:12:54 I think that Palm is more brilliant than both java and object C Dec 06 07:12:58 supposed to be 128k but sounds worse Dec 06 07:13:29 I guess 128cbr is bad... Dec 06 07:14:41 it sounds "tinny" to me Dec 06 07:14:50 but i'm by no means an audiophine Dec 06 07:14:54 audiophile* Dec 06 07:15:16 ewwww Dec 06 07:16:43 literally product fail at this quality Dec 06 07:19:34 Palm is a company that was way ahead of its time, just like apple was in the 90s Dec 06 07:20:26 but Apple got an investment from Mircosoft Dec 06 07:22:32 http://uoid.me/microsoft5 Dec 06 08:38:50 Having problems issuing "mount -o loop /media/internal/debsmall.img /media/cf Dec 06 08:38:51 with my palm pre connected??? Dec 06 09:32:41 ugh.... calendar event stuff hurts my brain Dec 06 10:52:34 Anyone done anything with the debugger? Dec 06 11:09:04 i suppose you don't mean gdb? Dec 06 11:09:17 nah.. in webos itself Dec 06 11:09:37 It's a very strange beast. Dec 06 11:14:22 a js debugger? Dec 06 11:14:38 well, it emulates gdb Dec 06 11:14:47 you literally run "debug" from a novacom or ssh Dec 06 11:16:48 ah, it's v8's debugger Dec 06 11:24:14 lingfish: is it any good? Dec 06 12:22:47 webos-internals should have a theme song. Dec 06 12:22:50 like. Dec 06 12:23:08 * rwhitby listens ... Dec 06 12:23:46 oh. Dec 06 12:23:46 Now I've got stage fright. Dec 06 12:31:39 rwhitby: I've been meaning to ask you for a few days. Dec 06 12:32:26 I futzed up the ssh key somehow with the ssh packages for the Pre. And this is probably a simple question. But I have no idea how to fix it. "Permission denied (publickey). Dec 06 12:32:26 " Dec 06 12:33:15 When I try to ssh from terminal to the pre, I mean. Dec 06 12:33:15 ssh -p 22 ..... Dec 06 12:37:44 ird: did you set a root password on the Pre? Dec 06 12:38:24 ird: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH (recently updated) Dec 06 12:39:45 ah Dec 06 12:39:46 I see Dec 06 12:39:47 Thanks. Dec 06 12:40:08 I was going to ask about that as well. Dec 06 12:59:05 morning Dec 06 12:59:38 morning? Dec 06 12:59:43 * oil is just thinkin about goin to sleep Dec 06 13:00:25 oil: ipkgservice is now a signed package in the testing feed Dec 06 13:00:38 Anyone up for some alpha testing of a new ipkgservice version? Dec 06 13:01:26 You can be the second person in the world to have officially signed advanced homebrew on your Pre. Dec 06 13:03:28 * rwhitby bbt - goodnight all - http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.24_all.ipk Dec 06 13:03:42 idk what the service does lol Dec 06 13:04:02 Package Manager Service Dec 06 13:04:50 does it allow other signed packages to skip the confirmation? Dec 06 13:05:49 oil: nope, it's just a signed package itself. no additional functionality yet Dec 06 13:06:08 but http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_Signing has details on how you can verify it ... Dec 06 13:06:33 * rwhitby heads to bed Dec 06 15:05:37 could someone help me with what it means when it says get in debian chroot Dec 06 15:05:48 i have already ran the kill gui command Dec 06 15:25:56 sup all Dec 06 15:27:33 will we get a way to unzip files we dl? even a terminal command Dec 06 15:32:04 Abyssul_wIRC gzip Dec 06 15:34:21 /join #wirc\n Dec 06 15:35:32 Anyone here for a quick question about 1.3.1 and a strange issue? Dec 06 15:35:40 Abyssul_wIRC u got it? Dec 06 15:35:42 tar -xzf filename.tar.gz Dec 06 15:35:49 sk1tt1sh: prolly best to just ask and see who replies Dec 06 15:35:49 with gzip Dec 06 15:35:53 also, hey all Dec 06 15:35:56 hey Abyssul_wIRC Dec 06 15:36:00 sup Marajin Dec 06 15:36:09 not much mobgod, yourself? Dec 06 15:36:14 Haha Im googling first but apparently batter drain is normal for a 1.3.1 os on a pre lol Dec 06 15:36:15 same old pile Dec 06 15:36:29 heh Dec 06 15:36:46 mobgod: depressed that it's sunday again already? Dec 06 15:37:01 tell me about it atleast there is football Dec 06 15:37:21 * mobgod still cant believe texas won Dec 06 15:38:03 well I'm english so I don't follow american football Dec 06 15:38:10 but the US is playing england as the first match Dec 06 15:38:41 Marajin i believe the first time the US played them they won Dec 06 15:39:08 yeah they're not bad considering they're relative newcomers Dec 06 15:39:14 OH this severe drain is cuz yahoo? Dec 06 15:40:01 sk1tt1sh there can be a lot of reasons do u use email on the phone if so maybe have it not check so offten Dec 06 15:40:46 sk1tt1sh: yeah having persistent IM logins or "as it arrives" set on email will chew battery life pretty sharpish Dec 06 15:40:50 hold on i just updated it. the phone isn't on sprint so features like email are a little errm Dec 06 15:41:11 ah yeah my gmail is set to as it arrives. Dec 06 15:41:12 on 1.0.3 it didn't do this tho Dec 06 15:41:27 like 10% battery per 30min is ridiculous Dec 06 15:41:30 like 10% battery per 30min is ridiculous Dec 06 15:41:51 hmm that sounds extreme Dec 06 15:42:09 I have gmail set to every 15 minutes and 3 exchange accounts set to 'as it arrives' and my battery will generally last the day Dec 06 15:42:25 assuming I just leave the phone on the desk and don't use it otherwise :p Dec 06 15:42:44 darn my ride is here bbl Dec 06 15:42:57 catcha mobgod Dec 06 15:42:59 haha yeha after updating to 1.3.1 The phone died about 2hr later Dec 06 15:43:34 only 1 gmail set to as it arrives. Though I did notice a strange issue with the chat clients not logging in. Could it be that they were continually attempting to? Dec 06 15:44:48 is gzip a optware package? Dec 06 15:51:01 sk1tt1sh: either you're really really popular on emails or something is a bit wrong there Dec 06 15:51:06 palm need to fix this update Dec 06 15:51:11 no i rarely get emails Dec 06 15:51:25 you in a bad reception area? Dec 06 15:52:46 no Dec 06 15:52:59 Prior to this update phone would last multiple days with nominal usage Dec 06 15:53:46 im getting imap problems too Dec 06 15:57:51 how do you unzip files Dec 06 15:58:51 Unzip file Dec 06 16:00:32 in pre? Dec 06 16:03:21 could someone help me with activating debian on my palm pre Dec 06 16:03:33 i have the img file on the /media/internal dir already Dec 06 16:04:56 I'm trying to run "mount -o loop /media/internal/debsmall.img /media/cf" but i dont know what dir to run it in Dec 06 16:09:28 Help plz Dec 06 16:15:09 those are both full paths, shouldn't matter what directory you run it as Dec 06 16:15:12 in* Dec 06 16:30:45 right Dec 06 16:30:48 doesn't matter Dec 06 16:31:05 has anyone standardized the mount bind for media yet? Dec 06 16:45:36 Abyssul_wIRC did u get it working? Dec 06 17:04:32 wb Abyssul_wIRC Dec 06 17:06:04 Abyssul_wIRC, if you are looking for the unzip utility I believe it is in optware (ipkg-opt install unzip) Dec 06 17:06:12 tar, gzip and bzip2 are already on the pre Dec 06 17:07:57 egaudet i think he might need the command also Dec 06 17:08:14 unzip blah.zip Dec 06 17:08:51 tar -xzf filename.tar.gz Dec 06 17:08:57 i beliebe thats it Dec 06 17:09:04 believe * Dec 06 17:09:14 yea I usually do tar -xvzf for verbosity Dec 06 17:09:20 but that is it for gzip Dec 06 17:09:26 and for bzip2 it's tar -xvjf Dec 06 17:09:33 filename.tar.bz Dec 06 17:09:55 forgot the v Dec 06 17:09:57 lol Dec 06 17:09:59 but i got ya Dec 06 17:11:52 thanks Dec 06 17:14:36 egaudet: sup Dec 06 17:15:13 sup PuffTheMagic Dec 06 17:15:30 egaudet: im working on precorderD for zsoc Dec 06 17:16:04 I hate capitals :P Dec 06 17:16:08 that's the C service right Dec 06 17:16:11 good good Dec 06 17:17:50 yeah it is Dec 06 17:19:24 sweetness :) Dec 06 17:20:35 how far along is it puff Dec 06 17:20:40 Abyssul_wIRC guess u got it to work Dec 06 17:20:42 :) Dec 06 17:23:23 * mobgod bbl all Dec 06 17:25:10 does anyone know of a good silverlight video downloader? I would like to download the videos from the sprint conference to watch on the pre Dec 06 17:29:00 wireshark Dec 06 17:29:02 mimms Dec 06 17:29:08 egaudet: what have u been up to? Dec 06 17:32:55 I just held an entire phone conversation without Luna even open. Dec 06 17:34:00 zsoc: yo Dec 06 17:34:19 zsoc: where did you set the filename/output for the recording? Dec 06 17:35:07 "http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Gnuboy" Could someone help me with creating the scripts to be used on the palm pre to access gnuboy??? Dec 06 17:35:17 zsoc: awesome! how? Dec 06 17:35:31 mickey|away: this might be of interest Dec 06 17:37:25 PuffTheMagic: did you mean to ask where _do_ you set the filename/folder? Or where _did_ I set it? Dec 06 17:37:40 both Dec 06 17:37:49 i mean i didnt look hard Dec 06 17:37:55 i just couldnt find /media/internal Dec 06 17:37:59 in any of your patches Dec 06 17:38:22 PuffTheMagic: Oh, well the hacked muxer with the built in sink kinda of broke that. So it defaults to /media/internal, I grab it (by lastModified()) and move it to /media/internal/video Dec 06 17:38:32 PuffTheMagic: and that's also how/when i can rename it if necessary Dec 06 17:39:59 zsoc: using inotify might be better for that Dec 06 17:40:09 but ok Dec 06 17:40:17 i think it's a java.io.file method... honestly I have no idea what the C equivelent is Dec 06 17:40:21 but i'm sure it's easier and more efficient ;) Dec 06 17:40:31 stat? Dec 06 17:40:31 SDL DirectFB_SetVideoMode: 320x480@16, flags: 0x90000001 Dec 06 17:40:32 cannot open rom file: Legend of Zelda, The - Link's Awakening (G) [!].gb Dec 06 17:40:32 (!!!) *** WARNING [Application exited without deinitialization of DirectFB!] *** [../../../src/core/core.c:813 in dfb_core_deinit_check()] Dec 06 17:40:32 (!!!) *** WARNING [still objects in 'Layer Region Pool'] *** [../../../lib/fusion/object.c:231 in fusion_object_pool_destroy()] Dec 06 17:40:32 (!!!) *** WARNING [still objects in 'Layer Context Pool'] *** [../../../lib/fusion/object.c:231 in fusion_object_pool_destroy()] Dec 06 17:40:35 (!!!) *** WARNING [still objects in 'Surface Pool'] *** [../../../lib/fusion/object.c:231 in fusion_object_pool_destroy()] Dec 06 17:40:38 (!) [ 2560: 0.000] --> Caught signal 11 (at 0x8, invalid address) <-- Dec 06 17:40:40 Signal 6 Dec 06 17:40:42 can someone tell me why? Dec 06 17:40:50 pastebin? lol Dec 06 17:41:14 sry Dec 06 17:41:22 xxtripxx_: no one here has spent much time messing with emulators or anything outside of luna Dec 06 17:41:32 what's fusion? Dec 06 17:41:36 oh... Dec 06 17:41:44 it looked like gl for a second Dec 06 17:41:49 xxtripxx_: best bet is to look on the wiki Dec 06 17:42:02 right...:? Dec 06 17:42:14 it crashed or you exited? Dec 06 17:42:23 it crashed right away Dec 06 17:42:26 it llooks like it had already filed before that Dec 06 17:43:53 !pastebin Dec 06 17:44:02 i dont know how to use paste bin Dec 06 17:44:04 Not to mention the obvious legal gray area here... Dec 06 17:44:50 http://paste.ubuntu.com/336031/plain/ Dec 06 17:45:06 thats what i get when i run the command at the beginning Dec 06 17:45:40 does anyone know what the (G) stands for Dec 06 17:45:42 ??? Dec 06 17:46:03 yes but it doesn't matter here Dec 06 17:46:11 it's part of the name Dec 06 17:46:14 of the rom Dec 06 17:46:36 since it's the emulator that's crashing not the rom I have no idea Dec 06 17:46:44 what program is this? Dec 06 17:58:43 I'm having a hard time installing preware, webosquickinstall refuses to recognize my device even though its in develeopment mode. Dec 06 17:59:37 EdLin: have you tried following the instructions at install.preware.org ? Dec 06 18:00:44 yes, I get stuck when I press the button for repositories, it says it can't find my device. Dec 06 18:02:00 EdLin: if you re-enter webos20090606, and open the dev mode enabler, does it already show it's on? Dec 06 18:02:46 yes Dec 06 18:03:46 hey, it works now. I tried a different USB port... Dec 06 18:04:00 thanks. Dec 06 18:04:06 * EdLin wanders off Dec 06 18:04:18 There you go, some times the correct solution is the most ridiculous Dec 06 18:04:39 on windows? Dec 06 18:05:21 EdLin: on windows? Dec 06 18:05:37 tmzt: i think it was snow leopard Dec 06 18:05:58 odd Dec 06 18:06:04 windows has driver per port Dec 06 18:06:10 I had even more problems with Windows 7 Dec 06 18:06:19 zsoc: what's this about making calls? Dec 06 18:06:36 was luna on when the call started? Dec 06 18:06:57 tmzt: lol I'm pretty sure it was :) Dec 06 18:07:29 oh Dec 06 18:07:36 probably nothing special then Dec 06 18:07:53 no i don't think it was, I was just amused by it. Dec 06 18:08:03 most soc phones you can start a call and stall the os Dec 06 18:08:13 how did you end the call? Dec 06 18:08:20 zsoc: yo Dec 06 18:08:28 i didn't :P Dec 06 18:08:31 PuffTheMagic: Yes master? Dec 06 18:08:39 right Dec 06 18:08:41 egaudet: ping Dec 06 18:08:50 you know what might cause ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: no element "camsrc". Dec 06 18:08:57 the binary protocol makes doing this stuff without the plam daemon hard Dec 06 18:09:13 has anyone confirmed dbus is used to control the phone or not? Dec 06 18:09:14 PuffTheMagic: that's a bad thing Dec 06 18:09:16 PuffTheMagic: what did you break? Dec 06 18:09:26 registry? Dec 06 18:09:38 nah Dec 06 18:09:52 PuffTheMagic: can you verify the existence of /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcamsrc.so ? Dec 06 18:10:03 zsoc: yeh that still exists Dec 06 18:10:08 gst-launch binaryw orks Dec 06 18:10:19 i get this when i try using the code in the service Dec 06 18:10:21 built in Dec 06 18:10:37 * zsoc ponders Dec 06 18:10:42 PuffTheMagic: can you put it up on wave? Dec 06 18:10:51 put what there? Dec 06 18:10:55 the error? Dec 06 18:10:56 hey add me :) Dec 06 18:10:59 the code?... Dec 06 18:11:10 zsoc: the code is in the git repo for the most part Dec 06 18:11:15 except this part that i just added Dec 06 18:11:19 "for the most part" is the part i'm worried about. Dec 06 18:11:32 zsoc: there is nothing for you to "worry" about Dec 06 18:11:38 just tell me what might cause that if u know Dec 06 18:12:28 PuffTheMagic: there are only a few things. the lack of existence of that element's plugin, a lack of proper environment where the code knows where to look, or a lack of registered elements, which is unlikely Dec 06 18:12:47 i think im gonna ditch gst-launch Dec 06 18:12:58 PuffTheMagic: your headache :) Dec 06 18:13:01 use python :) Dec 06 18:13:05 it might be easier _not_ to use it Dec 06 18:13:08 tmzt: never Dec 06 18:13:13 why? Dec 06 18:13:15 zsoc: yeah thats what im thinking Dec 06 18:13:19 it's so simple Dec 06 18:13:23 tmzt: i hate phython Dec 06 18:13:24 for this kind of thing Dec 06 18:13:30 i hate anything that does not compile to binaries Dec 06 18:13:30 like two lines Dec 06 18:13:35 besides java Dec 06 18:13:49 for testing I mean, not building a gui app Dec 06 18:13:59 tmzt: testing is not what im doing Dec 06 18:14:13 PuffTheMagic: between that developer guide and #gstreamer it shouldn't be too difficult... i can try to find an example of an existing application that does something similar if i can Dec 06 18:14:18 what are you doing with gst-launch? Dec 06 18:14:26 tmzt: nothing anymore Dec 06 18:14:28 tmzt: nothing dont worry about Dec 06 18:14:36 alright Dec 06 18:14:40 sorry guys Dec 06 18:14:46 zsoc: i figured it out Dec 06 18:14:48 i needed a gst_init (NULL, NULL); Dec 06 18:15:15 crap i actually knew that Dec 06 18:15:27 idk gst-launch didnt have that though Dec 06 18:15:32 PuffTheMagic: well, i guess asking me questions helps you figure things out :P Dec 06 18:15:39 well it wouldn't have that Dec 06 18:15:46 they do need it Dec 06 18:15:49 if it didnt need it Dec 06 18:16:22 but now it dies before recording Dec 06 18:16:24 omg, check your phones, 1.3.5 is out! Dec 06 18:16:47 PuffTheMagic: again with the vagueness :P "dies"? Dec 06 18:16:51 just kidddinggg. Dec 06 18:16:56 Decimate: no Dec 06 18:17:43 PuffTheMagic: gst-debug ftw Dec 06 18:17:50 ummm Dec 06 18:17:51 no Dec 06 18:17:55 wtf good is that Dec 06 18:17:58 ... Dec 06 18:18:03 * zsoc punches himself in the face Dec 06 18:18:03 we know how to use gst-launch Dec 06 18:18:10 lets go to #wirc in case i start cursing Dec 06 18:18:14 we know what needs to be done Dec 06 18:18:35 i will stop talking about this Dec 06 18:18:47 before someone tells me to use ruby or something Dec 06 18:19:25 dude I'm sorry. at no point do I think you should write your service in a scripting language Dec 06 18:20:22 i can't even quantify that with a response Dec 06 18:22:12 what do you all think of this patch: Make TERM=vt100 a default instead of a hard coded absolute in /etc/profile. This way when you ssh in with PuTTY, or from a linux console, or from an xterm-alike, your terminal will 'just work' without you having to manually type TERM=something-appropriate every time you log in. Dec 06 18:23:07 s/gst-launch/pythongst/ that's all, I've tried both but I suck at gst anyway so I don't know what I was thinking Dec 06 18:32:55 @dBsooner can't people just set the TERM variable in their local .profile? Dec 06 18:33:06 Yeah Dec 06 18:33:10 tor type TERM= Dec 06 18:33:15 each time they login Dec 06 18:34:01 I don't get it then, that patch seems a bit superfluous. Dec 06 18:34:07 yeah Dec 06 18:34:25 all it does is change TERM="vt100" to : ${TERM=vt100} Dec 06 18:34:48 in /etc/profile Dec 06 18:35:04 that only sets it if not set? Dec 06 18:35:27 and since it's sourced it doesn't need export? Dec 06 18:36:54 i'm just saying what the patch does Dec 06 18:37:17 Doesn't need export cos it's tsch not bash, no? Dec 06 18:37:32 Yeah, I didn't think it was your own patch. Dec 06 18:38:09 TERM get's exported at the end of /etc/profile anyway Dec 06 18:38:34 export PATH PS1 OPIEDIR QPEDIR QTDIR EDITOR TERM DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS DBUS_SYSTEM_BUS_ADDRESS Dec 06 18:38:55 my bad Dec 06 18:39:01 But I really don't know the "true" purpose of this patch Dec 06 18:40:24 I never had to set TERM .. Dec 06 18:42:46 Me neither, but I think I get it now: if you change /etc/profile as the patch suggests, then when you login it will respect what is in the 'terminal-type string' option in PuTTY. Dec 06 18:43:06 Oh.. good point Dec 06 18:43:18 But why does it really matter? Dec 06 18:43:39 I dunno. Maybe some people have weird terminal settings? Dec 06 18:43:57 vt100 ftw! Dec 06 18:44:33 oh well.. I guess I have to build it cuz they submitted it and it technically "works as described" Dec 06 18:44:43 :D Dec 06 18:49:59 Here's a general question, if anyone knows the answer: can you get the wave dock on the emulator? Dec 06 18:50:36 I saw a few forum poss saying you can, that it's activated by the very bottom row of pixels, but I'm wondering if that was an older version of the SDK, because I can't for the life of me get it to work. Dec 06 18:53:38 Is Templarian Komodo plugin for Komodo IDE or Komodo Edit? Dec 06 18:56:01 I've used it in Komodo Edit, dunno if that means it does or doesn't also work in Komodo IDE Dec 06 18:56:19 Well IDE is $300 Dec 06 18:56:21 Edit is free Dec 06 18:56:24 I like free. Dec 06 18:56:33 As I already use Eclipse.. Dec 06 18:57:06 Oh yeah. Tho I think you can get IDE for $99 if you're a student. Dec 06 19:00:59 @dBsooner P.S. If you haven't built my Reset Launcher Page patches yet, I have updated versions (sorry!)... should I re-submit them via the web page? Dec 06 19:05:45 IMGrant: yea Dec 06 19:12:34 dBsooner: it works in edit Dec 06 19:26:28 i have a question regarding the file org.webosinternals.optware found in /var/etc/profile.d . I had put some aliases in the optware file in the directory to make shortcuts for some longer commands I use frequently, , when i updated the optware bootstrap from Preware, it deleted the optware file I had and now my aliases will no longer work, is there a better place I should put my aliases so they are not overwritten? Dec 06 19:27:27 dBsooner, pong Dec 06 19:27:30 it's halftime Dec 06 19:38:13 be back after game Dec 06 19:45:26 lol Dec 06 19:45:32 I forgot the pats were playing Dec 06 19:46:36 mikepre .bashrc Dec 06 19:51:25 something that may be useful to people. sqlite optimization faq http://web.utk.edu/~jplyon/sqlite/SQLite_optimization_FAQ.html Dec 06 19:57:34 gak. lots of errors in PalmDatabase.db3 Dec 06 19:57:56 a) echo "VACUUM;" | sqlite3 PalmDatabase.db3 fails. Dec 06 19:58:23 dump db to file works Dec 06 19:58:37 but importing back in has issues. Dec 06 20:00:17 error log here http://webos.pastebin.com/m31326347 Dec 06 20:00:22 people might want to check their DBs... Dec 06 20:08:57 IMGrant: youthere? Dec 06 20:09:35 IMGrant: what happens to your "reset to middle" if someone has 4 or 6 launcher pages? Dec 06 20:16:11 i found the .bashrc file in /etc/skel , is the location that I need to add my aliases to? I tried updating them there, but they are not being loaded still....any one have any other ideas? Dec 06 20:17:00 you would add them to your .bashrc file in your ~ directory Dec 06 20:17:08 . /var/home/ Dec 06 20:17:12 you need to create a new .bashrc file, in the home dir of your user, which if it's root is /var/home/root Dec 06 20:17:18 jinx. Dec 06 20:17:21 lol Dec 06 20:17:27 oh, ok, thanks Dec 06 20:17:39 then you have to logout/login Dec 06 20:23:10 hmm Dec 06 20:23:16 whats good Dec 06 20:24:10 need to update Patch_webOS_CPU_Frequency_or_Voltage_Scaling Dec 06 20:24:21 just seems stale.. Dec 06 20:24:39 (eg: echo 500000 >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed ) Dec 06 20:33:55 * oc80 checkin out ushare Dec 06 20:41:47 kickass heh... Dec 06 20:42:29 ...surprised there is no transparency applications yet Dec 06 20:42:36 eg, Dec 06 20:43:03 On Charge+Wifi, run services/commands Dec 06 20:44:32 sheeeet, Dec 06 20:46:31 has anyone benchmarked , heh, FFMPEG in linux? Dec 06 20:47:10 On charge, run script to convert all *.avi into *.mp4 Dec 06 20:47:19 lul Dec 06 20:48:19 i would bang out some shit for us Dec 06 20:48:48 on charge, open squid-> openvpn Dec 06 20:49:04 oc80: huh? Dec 06 20:49:17 i piped up at the ffmpeg reference Dec 06 20:49:48 cronjobs ftw Dec 06 20:49:55 yep Dec 06 20:50:20 im saying, there is no gui/luna application to execute linux services/commands Dec 06 20:51:20 i know ur saying terminal Dec 06 20:51:41 but, Dec 06 20:51:58 with preware set up with the Linux category Dec 06 20:52:09 oc80: yeah, that's the idea i suppose Dec 06 20:52:14 Right Dec 06 20:52:14 go do it :> Dec 06 20:52:20 Heh, i have a dissertation Dec 06 20:53:14 Bagdikian, Chomsky and etc.... Dec 06 20:53:24 but yeah... Dec 06 20:53:35 Preware -> Samba Dec 06 20:54:34 fetches that junk, plus a preconfigured webos-internals configuraton file, editable within pre-ware Dec 06 20:55:20 ...seems like our editing software should already be released, what did palm say, mid-2010 Dec 06 20:58:40 what editing software from Palm? Dec 06 20:59:34 tmzt: I presume he's talking about Ares. Dec 06 21:00:20 ok? Dec 06 21:00:37 errrr Dec 06 21:00:45 editable pdfs, word docs, Dec 06 21:00:49 ah Dec 06 21:00:50 brought to us by palm Dec 06 21:00:52 yeah thats all. Dec 06 21:01:00 and Ares is? Dec 06 21:01:26 not somthing for the pre Dec 06 21:01:28 port abiword as aplugin Dec 06 21:01:39 Templarian: ? Dec 06 21:01:50 is that it? Dec 06 21:02:09 just talking about 'doc view' Dec 06 21:03:05 cant edit with that Dec 06 21:03:15 Oh you were talking about editing office docs not applications lol. Dec 06 21:03:19 w/ the carriage returns , and .doc only extention Dec 06 21:03:20 yeah Dec 06 21:04:27 ... Dec 06 21:04:43 Templarian: and still, what's Ares? Dec 06 21:04:54 Templarian: preware.org is looking good Dec 06 21:05:33 palmpre could even mimic Zune's mp3 sharing Dec 06 21:06:08 Okland just beat Pittsburg Dec 06 21:06:18 patriots beating them selves up Dec 06 21:06:45 tmzt: Something palm is working on. Dec 06 21:06:54 IN Pittsburg.. even worse. Dec 06 21:07:11 Can you guys go here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=preware&aq=f&oq=&aqi= and find Preware.org and click the Promote button. Dec 06 21:07:20 no Dec 06 21:07:25 so that's all that's known about it? can'te even give me a hint Dec 06 21:07:43 that promotes it for yourself mostly Dec 06 21:07:57 Templarian: what the hell is a promote button? Dec 06 21:08:16 where is the preware.org? Dec 06 21:08:20 i see ipkg, get, etc Dec 06 21:08:23 but not just preware.org Dec 06 21:08:26 Second page I think. Dec 06 21:08:52 Templarian: nice site. not compatible with noscript ;) Dec 06 21:08:57 im on page 3 Dec 06 21:09:01 and still dont' see it Dec 06 21:09:24 page 2 is get.preware.org Dec 06 21:09:59 mm Dec 06 21:10:00 Odd, shows up for me... must be a gooel thing. Dec 06 21:10:03 eye lyyyke Dec 06 21:10:18 lol.. I am on page 5 now Dec 06 21:10:22 with a "pre-ware.com" Dec 06 21:10:28 but still no "preware.org" Dec 06 21:10:44 he db Dec 06 21:10:51 can u actually add rss to it? :P Dec 06 21:10:58 if they are in /feeds/ Dec 06 21:11:08 And there is a "WikiAnswers: How do you update Preware?" Dec 06 21:11:14 i could add it to my rss bot Dec 06 21:13:25 oh man.. egaudet is going to be mad Dec 06 21:13:37 ea? Dec 06 21:14:11 I never did put a noscript in there did I... hmm should probably do that later. Dec 06 21:14:22 what why Dec 06 21:14:33 Pats lost Dec 06 21:14:38 Brady sucks Dec 06 21:14:42 3 rings Dec 06 21:14:48 dime wife Dec 06 21:14:57 hall of fame Dec 06 21:15:27 egaudet: you bout ready to work on build.git? Dec 06 21:15:33 other sites linking www.preware.org is the best way to increase google rankings Dec 06 21:15:41 why am I going to be mad Dec 06 21:15:48 egaudet: because the pats are your team? Dec 06 21:16:15 oh yeah I'm not thinking about that Dec 06 21:16:19 that didn't just happen Dec 06 21:16:20 moving on Dec 06 21:16:31 giants are about to lose again Dec 06 21:17:23 egaudet: Noted. No more Brady throwing a pick to end the game atalk. Dec 06 21:17:59 ahhahhaaha Dec 06 21:18:05 :| Dec 06 21:18:37 ACL is a 2 year injury so Brady has a free year in my mind Dec 06 21:18:52 the defense is too young and inexperienced and obviously can't win on the road Dec 06 21:19:00 but hey once you get in the tournament anything can happen. Dec 06 21:19:20 True. Dec 06 21:19:36 egaudet: I am adding like 8 more patches real quick Dec 06 21:19:40 then can we start? Dec 06 21:19:54 whacha 2 workin on? Dec 06 21:20:27 if u dnt mind me askin Dec 06 21:22:14 making APT completely update safe Dec 06 21:22:29 Meaning, you will update to new versions of webOS WITH patches installed Dec 06 21:22:40 then launch preware and "update" your patches. Dec 06 21:22:46 solid Dec 06 21:22:59 ...can i add 2 cents if ur coding right now, Dec 06 21:23:21 I'm just adding patches right now, so speak. I am not doing any technology changes yet. Dec 06 21:24:29 can you print 'installed patch,theme,apps' into /media/internal/whatever.import.me.later Dec 06 21:26:54 Hey guys, I have a question real quick. I finally got my app to run completely in the background, with no card or dashboard open, but I'm pretty sure that its working by taking advantage of some of the memory leak problems in 1.3.1. I'm having a couple people do tests on the forums right now to make sure it works for them, but once I confirm it works... should I just leave it on the forum for people who want it, or can I upload it to the feed? I just Dec 06 21:28:11 its not a memory leak Dec 06 21:28:40 Ok. Dec 06 21:29:53 I haven't really been following along.. but whatever it is seems to have cropped up since installing 1.3.1, and I can keep my app running after all cards/dashboards are closed. Dec 06 21:30:59 Just making sure it was kosher to put up something that in other cases would be an example of incorrect code, since I'm basically not cleaning up my app properly when it closes. Dec 06 21:31:18 dBsooner, I got a branch Dec 06 21:31:20 I want to push Dec 06 21:31:23 grrr Dec 06 21:31:29 you should have waited Dec 06 21:31:37 because I don't want to have to push to two branches Dec 06 21:31:37 zinge dunno boss. Dec 06 21:31:50 I have like 20 changes I am going to make to master Dec 06 21:31:59 but go ahead. Dec 06 21:32:18 you'll just have to import my changes Dec 06 21:32:28 dBsooner, you don't have to push to 2 branches Dec 06 21:32:30 I told you to wait till I finished adding these patches Dec 06 21:32:48 oc80 okay, thanks anyway. I just figured I'd ask to see if there were any objections. Dec 06 21:32:50 this branch will just be merged when ready for primetime Dec 06 21:33:13 yeah, are u posting anything interesting? Dec 06 21:33:42 Zinge, it would be best if you did cleanup properly so your app won't break going forward Dec 06 21:34:36 egaudet, for now I'm doing it "improperly" because it allows the app to continue running in the background, which has been the goal of the app since I first wrote it. Dec 06 21:35:05 Isn't there an official way to make a background app Dec 06 21:35:09 Nope Dec 06 21:35:21 I thought there were background apps supported for a while in the API Dec 06 21:35:21 Only with a dashboard icon. Dec 06 21:35:36 right, but when you merge it, it won't have all the new Makefiles I am making Dec 06 21:35:38 Thats what they mean by "background apps" Dec 06 21:35:41 but ok, we'll figure it out Dec 06 21:35:50 dBsooner, it doesnt' need any new makefiles Dec 06 21:36:31 yep Dec 06 21:36:57 I thought they had the whole concept of "headless" apps Dec 06 21:37:09 which strictly was background and didn't have the dash icon Dec 06 21:37:09 lots of rules with apps, to even be considered, eg: need topleft-> edit Dec 06 21:37:37 think of preware as a pre-palmware :P Dec 06 21:38:01 egaudet like phone? Dec 06 21:38:04 egaudet- They do, to a point. But headless apps are not actually apps running in the background. Dec 06 21:38:05 egaudet and pack'n'track Dec 06 21:38:35 You have to call the alarm to launch your app every x min/hours/etc Dec 06 21:38:38 yeah true Dec 06 21:38:40 You cant actually keep your app running. Dec 06 21:39:10 Except that as of 1.3.1, I now can. Dec 06 21:39:28 interesting and may I ask what you need to do in the background? At the same time I can understand the desire for that, how will the user know it's running or be able to stop it from taking up resources Dec 06 21:39:33 whatever the event may be, it will be patched , is what we're saying Dec 06 21:39:51 oc80, I know. Dec 06 21:39:54 dBsooner, how do I push a new branch Dec 06 21:40:05 egaudet - brightness unlinked Dec 06 21:40:11 I'm not too worried about it following palm convention because unfortunately it will never be added in to the app store. Dec 06 21:40:18 i see in the forum there is a: browser.conf:AutomaticallyCleanupEventListeners=true Dec 06 21:40:29 I'm using power api's that they never documented, and eventually it should be a feature added by palm Dec 06 21:40:32 I just git branch'd to make the branch Dec 06 21:40:36 then I check it out Dec 06 21:40:37 make changes Dec 06 21:40:43 edit .git/config Dec 06 21:40:44 i did checkout -b major_upgrade Dec 06 21:40:47 made changes and commit'd Dec 06 21:40:48 add the [branch] Dec 06 21:40:57 then just check it out and git push Dec 06 21:40:57 Its just a substitute until it is fixed, and the keyboard brightness can be adjusted seperately from the screen brightness Dec 06 21:41:09 manually editting .git/config? Dec 06 21:41:19 I need it to continue running to monitor events that change the keyboard brightness and respond to them. Dec 06 21:41:26 Yeah, make sure [branch] doesn't push to origin/master Dec 06 21:41:35 it should be origin/branch Dec 06 21:41:51 then when you git push from that branch it will create the branch on the trunk Dec 06 21:41:55 yeah Dec 06 21:41:58 I don't mind it breaking with the next update, because it will most likely break with every update. The whole app is really just a workaround for things that can be better implemented by palm. Dec 06 21:42:08 you did brightness app? Dec 06 21:42:13 Ya. Dec 06 21:42:15 i think i threw you $10 Dec 06 21:42:22 thanks :-) Dec 06 21:42:24 thanks , btw. Dec 06 21:42:49 no problem. if you're using it though... mind going to the forum thread and trying the lastest test version? Dec 06 21:42:56 you don't push to origin/branch, you push to refs/heads/branch Dec 06 21:43:00 sure Dec 06 21:43:03 ...'cause it runs in the background now. Dec 06 21:43:30 rwhitby: ping Dec 06 21:43:38 so how do I push without edit'ing .git/config Dec 06 21:43:46 git push origin/ Dec 06 21:43:48 ? Dec 06 21:43:59 yes Dec 06 21:44:09 Okay, so there doesn't seem to be any major opposition to me uploading it to the precentral feed. I just wanted to make sure before I got to that point. Dec 06 21:44:20 well I'll wait for rwhitby to be around in case I mess up something Dec 06 21:44:32 lol Dec 06 21:44:40 That won't mess anything up Dec 06 21:44:49 k.. Dec 06 21:44:51 I don't want the autobuilder to accidentally pick this stuff up right now Dec 06 21:45:16 it shouldn't Dec 06 21:45:20 because it's set to checkout master Dec 06 21:45:30 nice, preware --> update-all Dec 06 21:45:31 k Dec 06 21:46:00 at least, it SHOULD be. :D Dec 06 21:46:21 because Rod has always told me to branch build.git to push any changes I don't want built Dec 06 21:46:25 dBsooner, egaudet: i think the command should be "git push origin localbranchname" or "git push origin localbranchname:refs/heads/remotebranchname" Dec 06 21:46:25 if you want to remove a branch just "git push origin :remotebranch" Dec 06 21:47:43 so git push origin branchname Dec 06 21:47:53 i'll do that now Dec 06 21:48:26 yeah, that's it.. git push origin localbranchname:refs/heads/removebranchname Dec 06 21:48:35 because taht's how you setup your config Dec 06 21:48:48 merge = refs/heads/branch Dec 06 21:49:00 and remote = origin Dec 06 21:49:10 ...installin, thanks zinge Dec 06 21:49:13 well it pushed Dec 06 21:49:21 but my .git/config doesn't have that branch listed in it Dec 06 21:50:22 you created a new head 20 mins ago Dec 06 21:50:25 dBsooner, can you try to pull the branch Dec 06 21:50:31 major_update? Dec 06 21:51:04 major_upgrade Dec 06 21:51:10 ok Dec 06 21:51:31 then touch foo commit and push see if I can get those changes Dec 06 21:53:27 dbeames@ubuntu:/storage/PalmPre/git/build$ git checkout major_upgrade Dec 06 21:53:27 M toolchain/ipkg-utils/ipkg-unbuild Dec 06 21:53:27 Switched to branch 'major_upgrade' Dec 06 21:53:27 zinge u run the scale? Dec 06 21:54:39 pushed egaudet Dec 06 21:54:48 build.git/foo Dec 06 21:54:57 on branch major_upgrade Dec 06 21:56:40 ok good Dec 06 21:57:51 now, I have a question Dec 06 21:58:11 you are going to be moving the autopatch//Makefile's right? Dec 06 21:58:26 what about all the NEW autopatch/'s I am adding right now.. Dec 06 21:58:50 they will exist in their current position to be built, but won't exist at all on the major_upgrade branch Dec 06 21:59:08 and when you git merge, it will ERASE my files if they don't exist Dec 06 21:59:14 I won't be touching the Makefile's i don't think Dec 06 21:59:23 i doubt git merge deletes files from one branch Dec 06 21:59:34 what I mean is , theyu won't exist Dec 06 21:59:37 but egaudet could just do a git fetch; git rebase origin/master Dec 06 22:00:01 oc80 sorry, I was in the other room. What scale? Dec 06 22:00:07 "rebase" modifies the history, so just be careful with it (don't rebase master branches) Dec 06 22:00:09 * Templarian just added no script to the site. If you view the source it's kind of funny. Dec 06 22:00:54 lulz @ megafail Dec 06 22:01:26 Templarian nice. Although I think you spelled "compatibility" wrong... :-) Dec 06 22:01:42 erra , that cpu scale dramma Dec 06 22:02:16 Templarian: if only the internet was xml compliant Dec 06 22:02:41 i like the app, thanks. Dec 06 22:03:12 oc80, talking to me? Dec 06 22:03:22 zsoc: it is it just takes a bit to write. Dec 06 22:03:22 yeah was askin if u scale the cpu to 600mhz Dec 06 22:03:38 Zinge: lol good catch. Just pushed an update should change in < 5min. Dec 06 22:03:39 Nope, haven't touched any of the scaling stuff Dec 06 22:03:57 Templarian, heh, no problem. Just trying to be helpful. Dec 06 22:04:05 u mentioned powerstation? on the forum... Dec 06 22:04:18 would be neat if u could put that in there Dec 06 22:04:24 including the brightness section Dec 06 22:04:25 Scaling was discontinued due to stability problems with these cheaper chips. Dec 06 22:04:45 oc80, I'm confused. What are we talking about now? Dec 06 22:05:15 Templarian lies Dec 06 22:06:30 Zinge: yea we set it up in XML with the view source at the bottom so people could rewrite it and simple pastebin the changes (seemed like the best alternative without giveing complete access to the main site). Dec 06 22:06:44 oc80: hehe. I do? Dec 06 22:06:54 Templarian: ah, nice. Dec 06 22:08:05 Templarian ...serious? Dec 06 22:08:58 That was a while ago. The Palm Pre uses cheaper chips and very few of the devices can actually run at a full 600mhz without acting very odd. So it was factored not wroth it to continue the project. Dec 06 22:09:08 Alright, I'm out. Back to writing papers for finals. oc80, if you get a chance to try the newest BU from the forum, can you post your results on the thread so I can see how they compare to everyone else? Thanks. Dec 06 22:09:19 Zinge: I'm doing the same thing, what's yours on? Dec 06 22:10:02 Templarian: The paper? Its actually the first 30pages of a feature film for my screenwriting class. I'm at page 20 right now Dec 06 22:10:27 Oh nice. Sounds more interesting than "Departemental Unification: The online Ecosystem" Dec 06 22:10:29 are palm applications (email, messenging) open source? Dec 06 22:10:45 sryan: no closed technically. Dec 06 22:10:48 hrm Dec 06 22:10:56 * oc80 on like 11 of the propaganda model Dec 06 22:11:02 and the media monopoly Dec 06 22:11:09 Templarian: heh, true. Mine's called "A Mime Is A Terrible Thing To Waste" Dec 06 22:11:22 zinge, will do, btw. Dec 06 22:11:30 oc80: Thanks. Dec 06 22:11:57 Templarian noo way, on video right Dec 06 22:13:16 ..thought it wouldnt -wake- w/ pandora Dec 06 22:13:31 and would geekout on youtube Dec 06 22:13:44 a simple on-off would suffice *shrug* Dec 06 22:13:54 with zinge's new powerstation/central app he was talkin about Dec 06 22:15:18 I'm still laughing though, my professor gave us a paper listing all the normal APA stuff for the paper, but every page number is for MLA in the book. I know someone's going to mess this up. Dec 06 22:17:54 yikes man, http://www.easybib.com/cite/view Dec 06 22:18:18 been using that for ever... with ms onenote too Dec 06 22:18:53 I grab all my sources from the online library which gives them preformatted so I don't have to mess with that stuff. Dec 06 22:19:29 yeah lexisnexis? Dec 06 22:19:31 I'm talking about general formatting not the citations. Dec 06 22:19:57 Plus I let word manage my citations. Dec 06 22:20:08 (and table of contents and formatting) Dec 06 22:20:28 * Templarian <3 Word and cannot wait for Word 10. Dec 06 22:21:01 do you use the live extentions? Dec 06 22:21:17 No. I just click the add citations button and insert citation button. Dec 06 22:21:30 yea yea Dec 06 22:22:08 im thinking MS is going to mesh sharepoint services into windows live services Dec 06 22:23:30 ...competition in the cloud Dec 06 22:24:51 If they continue making everything this easy I will welcome it. I love how quick I can format these large documents and change parts and have it update automatically throughout. Dec 06 22:26:28 yeah this is so true, even starting things from the barebones, they throw you a hundred templates. Dec 06 22:26:41 fax? heres 300 covers. Dec 06 22:27:09 ...speaking of convienence, have you any architech friends using autocad/desk 2k10? Dec 06 22:27:46 autodesk.com has an insane ammount of resources for the boards. Dec 06 22:31:40 saying... did you get teh 2010 beta? Dec 06 22:33:28 i use the hp tx252 tablet.. one note is god. Dec 06 22:34:59 No I didn't get the beta too busy with other things to check it out. I'm getting a tablet next year so yea can't wait. Dec 06 22:37:50 portability , toughness, and downtime wise, hp TX is the way to go, its used/craigslist price is outstanding.. HP #1 for durability this year too Dec 06 22:39:31 No I'm planning to get a Courier if it comes out next year. Dec 06 22:42:02 hmm palm has a news application in their SDK but no real app..? Dec 06 22:47:53 what happen to the fair dunkum patch Dec 06 22:49:33 mikepre: put your aliases in another different file in the same directory, or in the .profile file in root's home directory Dec 06 22:52:04 dBsooner: gu Dec 06 22:53:11 atlanta: subsumed into ipkservice - there's a preference for it in preware now Dec 06 22:53:28 oh ok gotcha i found it Dec 06 22:53:39 palm-install telling me not enough space Dec 06 22:54:29 dBsooner, ping Dec 06 22:54:48 rwhitby, pushed dummy/unavaible patch building to major_upgrade branch in build.git along with postinst/prerm changes Dec 06 22:54:54 if you want to review Dec 06 22:58:55 egaudet: I am here Dec 06 22:59:09 egaudet: I am looking for a flight+hotel+car for my TRip to El Paso on Dec 31 Dec 06 23:00:02 hehe, I got to see the "El Paso 857 miles" sign on our way into Texas last night....that always cracks me up Dec 06 23:00:09 so I accomplished what we want by adding it in common.mk only Dec 06 23:01:01 I put a list of WEBOS_VERSIONS and built dummy packages for all those first as -0 Dec 06 23:01:09 So all valid packages should start at -1 Dec 06 23:01:14 egaudet: thx, I'll take a look at it Dec 06 23:01:17 read: dash not negative Dec 06 23:02:08 description says it's nto available for this webos version, category is Unavailable, and all the ipk contains is a postinst that does return -1 Dec 06 23:02:15 egaudet: I'm going to be adding signing to our services, plugins and patches today. Dec 06 23:02:35 nice Dec 06 23:02:53 next version of preware/ipkgservice will be handling signed packages? Dec 06 23:02:55 Where do I sign? Dec 06 23:02:58 ahaha Dec 06 23:03:03 ahem Dec 06 23:03:05 sorry. Dec 06 23:03:24 egaudet: not yet, just getting the rest of the infrastructure prepared Dec 06 23:04:49 cool cool Dec 06 23:06:06 egaudet: see http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_Signing Dec 06 23:07:34 I saw you added signing Dec 06 23:07:38 That was nice Dec 06 23:07:42 oil: ping Dec 06 23:08:47 oh nice Dec 06 23:09:10 i'll be bbiab Dec 06 23:42:59 You know, if one of us took a picture of our webos device in terminal doing something fancy, and spammed it around other freenode dev channels, we could double our numbers in a month Dec 06 23:55:17 is that something we want? Dec 06 23:55:58 No, I was just thinking outloud. I tend to do that a lot here. Dec 06 23:58:04 rwhitby: you rang? Dec 06 23:58:53 oil: hmm - I forget what about :-) Dec 06 23:59:04 oh, yeah Dec 06 23:59:52 oil: I was thinking, if ipkgservice is in the update list, then perhaps as well as preware being last, that processing the list maybe could stop after ipkgservice is updated Dec 07 00:00:45 why? Dec 07 00:02:22 oh, is the list still ordered by dependency or not? Dec 07 00:02:41 everywhere but the "Update All" button Dec 07 00:03:01 I'm just wondering about other things that depend on ipkgservice, like luna manager and preload and anything else in the future Dec 07 00:03:22 well its in the update list Dec 07 00:03:29 it means they've already got it installed Dec 07 00:03:35 by fallowing the correct path Dec 07 00:05:31 but i can make it do them all in the correct order and deps Dec 07 00:05:54 for the oft chance an update depends on something new that must be installed Dec 07 00:06:20 if it's possible, that will make things more predictable for postinst scripts and stuff, especially when ganged updates are needed. Dec 07 00:07:28 i sitll don't understand what happend with the update last night Dec 07 00:07:32 where preware didn't crash Dec 07 00:07:36 and it still ran the javarestart Dec 07 00:07:44 later, i installed an update, and preware crashed when it was over Dec 07 00:07:52 an update to another random app Dec 07 00:07:53 lol Dec 07 00:08:41 * oil goes to get breakfast Dec 07 00:10:44 * Templarian eats dinner. Dec 07 00:11:02 * zsoc goes to the bathroom Dec 07 00:19:18 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Press_Room - 7 Dec 2009 entry. Dec 07 00:22:55 The future is amazing. Also awesome. Dec 07 00:22:59 Got my Pre all scratched up .... Dec 07 00:26:05 Abyssul: keys left pocket, phone right pocket. Dec 07 00:26:36 Na it got dragged by a bench press Dec 07 00:27:00 I set it down as I lifted weights, and forgot about it. The trainer moved the seat and dragged the pre under it Dec 07 00:27:20 Not following... "dragged by a bench press"? Dec 07 00:27:31 Read^ Dec 07 00:27:36 no^ Dec 07 00:27:52 ;/ whats good rwhitby Dec 07 00:28:15 whatever doesn't matter how lol, theres just a long white scratch down the side of my pre lol. I had to fill it in with a permanant marker Dec 07 00:28:34 oh it was on the side. meh. Dec 07 00:28:57 oc80: advanced homebrew package signing Dec 07 00:29:01 yea I got lucky lol Dec 07 00:29:17 Figured the first time I forgot to bring the sleeping bag for my Pre, it gets scratched up Dec 07 00:29:52 yeah, years of carrying out phones with large front facing screens has got me pretty good about not scratching them Dec 07 00:29:52 My Pre's still pretty good, just keep following the keys left pre right rule and it works out. Dec 07 00:30:10 i also kind of instrinctly face the screen inwards to my leg Dec 07 00:30:16 oh yeah rw? Dec 07 00:30:18 Yea, I know what you mean about the keys Dec 07 00:30:18 in theory that helps with antenna reception too Dec 07 00:30:45 I also keep the screen faced inwards incase I hit my thigh on something it hits the back instead of the screen. Dec 07 00:30:46 geist: Also the Pre gest warm if you don't. Dec 07 00:30:55 right Dec 07 00:31:19 the antenna is not so directional on the pre, but it was holdover behavior from first gen Sidekicks, which had a terribly directional antenna Dec 07 00:31:20 haha I missed your comment geist :p Dec 07 00:31:22 ...i was just in a debate over cross-cultural psychology sampling and bias/generalization methods :( Dec 07 00:31:47 oc80: Did you win? Dec 07 00:32:04 otoh, since all my pres and pixis are free, meh. who cares! Dec 07 00:32:24 they havnt posted back :) Dec 07 00:33:21 http://www.theweek.com/article/index/103738/Droid_Does__porn Dec 07 00:33:25 TOLD YA!!!!!!!!!! Dec 07 00:33:28 geist: "I need 10 Palm Pre's, we need to test something." "Okay?" [later at the pond] "Oh I guess it can skip more than 3 times." Dec 07 00:33:43 hah, that's a good idea Dec 07 00:33:47 their side, being, steretyping, biasness, blah blah, in cross-cultural experiments.. Dec 07 00:33:50 i have about 5 completely dead ones in my desk Dec 07 00:33:56 i wrote back, But isn't one purpose of research to "generalize"? If we can only make statements about specific individuals then how can we come to a general, abstract understanding of anything? Dec 07 00:34:52 porn wins the battle Dec 07 00:34:54 ALWAYS Dec 07 00:35:13 what ? Dec 07 00:35:20 Where is the Pre's porn app? lol Dec 07 00:35:53 i know!! Dec 07 00:36:03 Can you use an android device with one hand? Dec 07 00:36:06 i been saying that in here for months!!!!!!!!!! Dec 07 00:36:13 I know the Palm Pre was built for one hand). Dec 07 00:36:36 idk, mobile.spankwire.com is pretty nifty Dec 07 00:36:36 hey Dec 07 00:36:47 my boy wrote a nice application called mediasnake Dec 07 00:36:49 Sometimes the videos dont load though Dec 07 00:37:11 i bet he could rip some of the secrets out for us Dec 07 00:37:13 or, for me. Dec 07 00:37:24 but the naming cant be, preporn Dec 07 00:37:26 :( Dec 07 00:37:49 Palm Pre on MSNBC Dec 07 00:38:06 really? What are they saying? Dec 07 00:40:59 ugk not funny. Dec 07 00:42:14 http://www.nsfw.com/preview/mediasnake/ Dec 07 00:42:54 that sounds nsfw Dec 07 00:43:18 * Templarian really thinks the marketing could play to Palm's advantage if they allowed adult content. Dec 07 00:44:09 ...flash will change the game Dec 07 00:44:25 grar, i hate having to download 100MB of crap over a public wifi Dec 07 00:45:20 Porn app in catalog? "Not enough size" Dec 07 00:45:44 * oc80 is home now. bbl... modern2 time :P Dec 07 00:47:55 no app catalog apps in 2 days Dec 07 00:47:57 MY GOODNESS Dec 07 01:00:01 even porn on preware Dec 07 01:02:54 when is flash coming?? Dec 07 01:03:23 Never Dec 07 01:03:38 so, can someone alpha testing the new ipkgservice so I can release it? Dec 07 01:03:49 it was a developers' joke Dec 07 01:03:57 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.24_all.ipk Dec 07 01:04:07 AZero: flash is coming early next year Dec 07 01:04:38 geist I hate having to download 100 meg of /crap/ over anything Dec 07 01:05:14 rick_home: just watched the sprint videos from Palm - love your questions and interjections :-) Dec 07 01:05:25 thanks rod Dec 07 01:06:18 It's good to see third party recognition...especially a modifications group Dec 07 01:15:51 rwhitby: tested earlier today (i check the feed daily) Dec 07 01:15:55 works fine Dec 07 01:15:59 update all finally enabled :P Dec 07 01:16:10 Decimate: thx Dec 07 01:19:30 except update all is a pain in the ass Dec 07 01:19:37 and now i have to go write more code for it Dec 07 01:20:12 Oooh, update all? :) Dec 07 01:20:31 oil: whys that? :P Dec 07 01:20:52 oil: and add a "send webos-patches log" Dec 07 01:21:35 all it has to do is grab the .log (compress it would be cool) and send it off to an email "group" Dec 07 01:21:52 dBsooner: if it's that easy, patches welcome ;-0 Dec 07 01:22:03 I didn't say it was "easy" Dec 07 01:22:07 lol Dec 07 01:22:14 * oil doesn't see a ticket for it Dec 07 01:22:17 I said, "All it has to do" Dec 07 01:22:32 Bah. I have been busy with adding patches. Dec 07 01:22:39 and testing new APT Dec 07 01:22:40 and, idk if thats something preware would do Dec 07 01:22:51 just as a menu option? Dec 07 01:22:52 :( Dec 07 01:23:02 I just figured they pretty much had to have Preware to install patches. Dec 07 01:23:11 dBsooner: should we rebuild 1.3.1 patches to sign them, or leave that for the next version? Dec 07 01:23:24 preware doesn't care what type of package it is Dec 07 01:23:32 rwhitby: i say let's wait till we release the new APT Dec 07 01:23:40 because new APT will require a rebuild of all packages Dec 07 01:23:44 ok Dec 07 01:23:47 and we are shooting for mid-week Dec 07 01:23:52 because we want that out before....... Dec 07 01:24:34 We really need to see if we can get the new APT in the major_upgrade branch of build.git to build into the testing feed Dec 07 01:24:44 so we can get some people to test it out Dec 07 01:24:48 (note to bloggers, we have no information about what or when the next webOS release will be - we're guessing on timeframes based on public information just like anyone else) Dec 07 01:25:06 Yes. Agreed with rwhitby. Dec 07 01:25:08 dBsooner: I can do that Dec 07 01:26:07 I said, "shooting for middle of the week" because I have no idea when Palm will release an update. It could be any day. So the longer we delay a release of the new APT, the greater the chance the palm update will come first. Which is not at all what we want. We need this APT out before then. But on the other hand, we really need to test it good before release. Dec 07 01:28:09 rwhitby: Please. If you could set that testing feed up, that would be grand. Dec 07 01:42:03 lol Dec 07 01:52:24 THEY KNOW THE RELEASE, THEY ARE LYING. HANG EM! Dec 07 01:56:13 lots of ass covering there Dec 07 01:57:05 It's necessary oil. Dec 07 02:03:52 oil: Can you make an icon for me real quick please? http://www.dbsooner.com/SprintNav-icon.png Dec 07 02:04:12 maybe Dec 07 02:04:28 But I said "please"? Dec 07 02:04:36 and i said maybe Dec 07 02:04:47 * oil is right in the middle of writing code Dec 07 02:04:48 I know, but "please" should trump "maybe"... Dec 07 02:05:13 OK. I'll stand by. Dec 07 02:10:16 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Icon_WebOSInternals_Patches_SprintNav.png Dec 07 02:13:26 Thanks oil! You're the best. Dec 07 02:21:39 sslow: ping Dec 07 02:27:20 thebitguru: ready for a release? Dec 07 02:27:38 rwhitby: actually, that's why I am here. I was going to ask a quesiton in #git :) Dec 07 02:27:54 I have the Makefiles updated and committed to the local repo, how do I push those to the remote one? Dec 07 02:29:18 thebitguru: git push Dec 07 02:29:37 thebitguru: but you will want to git pull first Dec 07 02:29:47 (to get everyone else's updates) Dec 07 02:29:56 and make sure you've only changed stuff in the unreleased dir Dec 07 02:30:37 yup, I only changed the unreleased/wol{ui,service}/Makefile Dec 07 02:30:42 OK, just committed Dec 07 02:30:48 I mean pushed :) Dec 07 02:36:26 thebitguru: got them - looks good. Dec 07 02:37:06 thebitguru: so ready for public release/ Dec 07 02:37:07 ? Dec 07 02:37:24 yup Dec 07 02:37:57 oh, one thing, is this appropriate in System Utilities category? Dec 07 02:38:27 this is the backup util? Dec 07 02:38:44 hey if I do ##data on a PRE how come if I go into multimedia I cannot change the mcd url? Dec 07 02:39:23 oil: no, wake on lan client: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5ItERgZnE Dec 07 02:39:47 thebitguru: yep, that category is good Dec 07 02:40:15 ok Dec 07 02:40:23 thebitguru: nice Dec 07 02:40:36 thanks :) Dec 07 02:40:43 nice... x41? Dec 07 02:41:11 x60 Dec 07 02:41:20 that was my next guess Dec 07 02:41:30 I have this for three years and thinking of upgrading. I love the size Dec 07 02:41:33 thebitguru: updated packages are in the testing feed if you want to do a last final test before release? Dec 07 02:41:47 yeah, we've got a couple x41s at work, and one x60 Dec 07 02:41:54 rwhitby: OK, let me check them out Dec 07 02:43:14 rwhitby: retagged last push .13 Dec 07 02:43:27 now update all pulls deps and does everything in the correct order Dec 07 02:43:50 oil: awesome! Dec 07 02:44:04 well, according to my one test xD Dec 07 02:45:11 oil: updated 0.9.13 in testing feed Dec 07 02:47:17 oil: does it include my "not-yet submitted" ticket? Dec 07 02:47:28 no ticket = no code :) Dec 07 02:47:35 where is the ticket page? Dec 07 02:47:42 on the internets Dec 07 02:47:46 grr Dec 07 02:47:53 though, the reverse isn't true either Dec 07 02:47:56 ticket != code Dec 07 02:48:15 lol Dec 07 02:48:20 so what's the point? Dec 07 02:48:26 idk Dec 07 02:48:33 dBsooner: it's a great way to keep users off your back ;-) Dec 07 02:48:45 hehe Dec 07 02:52:28 rwhitby: did you ever get a reply from original author for the battery As percent/battery AND percent patches? Dec 07 02:56:40 I wish the "Update All" button was hidden.. Dec 07 02:56:43 I keep wanting to tap it. Dec 07 02:57:09 dBsooner: nope Dec 07 02:57:19 rwhitby: Can we consider it public domain now? Dec 07 02:58:39 nope, not for 50 years or something Dec 07 02:59:23 I'll be like... 71 years old then. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 07 02:59:57 2009