**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 07 02:59:57 2009
Dec 07 03:03:44 <dBsooner> I didn't know the rule on it
Dec 07 03:04:11 <dBsooner> I didn't know if it was after so many months of no status from original author, or if it was like copyright law and 50 years
Dec 07 03:06:07 <sslow> rwhitby: n that patch it gives the ability for user options to do what i did, dont know if that matters
Dec 07 03:15:31 <dBsooner> ohhh oil..... whereeee arrrrreee yyooouuu?
Dec 07 03:15:45 <dBsooner> sslow: I needed you
Dec 07 03:15:51 <sslow> here
Dec 07 03:15:55 <dBsooner> sslow: Your screenshots are WAY to small
Dec 07 03:16:12 <oil> ?
Dec 07 03:16:13 <sslow> what size do you need
Dec 07 03:16:36 <dBsooner> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Sprintnav-black-background-dark-blue-font-1.png
Dec 07 03:16:53 <dBsooner> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Sprintnav-black-background-dark-blue-font-2.png
Dec 07 03:16:59 <dBsooner> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Sprintnav-black-background-grey-font-1.png
Dec 07 03:17:01 <dBsooner> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Sprintnav-black-background-grey-font-2.png
Dec 07 03:17:06 <dBsooner> all those are too small
Dec 07 03:17:08 <oil> 320x480
Dec 07 03:17:14 <dBsooner> 320x480
Dec 07 03:17:17 <dBsooner> thanks oil
Dec 07 03:17:31 <dBsooner> oil: The reason I was looking for you is because.... drum roll..
Dec 07 03:17:37 <dBsooner> I created a ticket. :)
Dec 07 03:17:46 <sslow> dbsooner: give me 5
Dec 07 03:17:56 <sslow> minutes
Dec 07 03:20:32 <rwhitby> "Then came Preware and our world exploded." http://www.precentral.net/round-table-six-months-palm-pre-and-webos
Dec 07 03:20:48 <dBsooner> lol
Dec 07 03:20:51 <dBsooner> Gotta love this press
Dec 07 03:21:39 * oil really doesn't think its something preware should do
Dec 07 03:22:08 <dBsooner> can you think of another way to make it very simple for a user to send it off then?
Dec 07 03:22:22 <oil> easy
Dec 07 03:22:23 <oil> as in
Dec 07 03:22:25 <oil> easy for you?
Dec 07 03:22:33 <dBsooner> As in I can just tell a user "do this"
Dec 07 03:22:53 <oil> preware is just a repo browser
Dec 07 03:23:04 <dBsooner> isntead of.. "Log into your pre, find this file, copy it to /media/internal/, open an email, email it to me
Dec 07 03:23:13 <dBsooner> I know, we know that.. users don't see it that way
Dec 07 03:23:27 <dBsooner> users see it as "the program that installs/uninstalls/does all the "magic" to their webOS device"
Dec 07 03:23:29 * oil doesn't care what users think preware is
Dec 07 03:23:50 <dBsooner> Ok. Then just decline the suggestion and I'll go back to figuring something out.
Dec 07 03:25:45 <rwhitby> dBsooner: Internalz is the file finding app
Dec 07 03:25:52 <rwhitby> maybe it should have an email option ;)
Dec 07 03:25:56 <dBsooner> lol
Dec 07 03:26:12 <dBsooner> then I would have to tell users to isntall Internalz to send me a log of webos-patches.log
Dec 07 03:26:28 <dBsooner> I'll just make a shell script .. don't worry about it. Sorry to ask for it.
Dec 07 03:26:47 <rwhitby> it's a reasonable request, but doesn't fit the architecture yet
Dec 07 03:27:06 <rwhitby> it needs time to gel into something that is more generic
Dec 07 03:27:27 <rwhitby> now emailing the IPKG Log from Preware is another matter - nothing wrong with that.
Dec 07 03:27:36 <dBsooner> With the addition of the .log file, it would be very useful for us as the troubleshooters to have quick and easy access to that log.
Dec 07 03:27:42 <rwhitby> Wake On LAN 0.5.0 is released
Dec 07 03:27:50 <dBsooner> basically that .log file is the IPKG log
Dec 07 03:28:09 <dBsooner> well kinda.. its the postinst/prerm log
Dec 07 03:28:23 <rwhitby> dBsooner: then it should be something that ipkgservice does for all install then, not just patches
Dec 07 03:28:59 <rwhitby> or something like that.  we don't special case package types in preware as a general rule of thumb
Dec 07 03:29:12 <dBsooner> True, but it was easier to implement/test this change to patches specifically than the entire ipkgservice.
Dec 07 03:29:24 <rwhitby> (there are always exceptions, but only after exhausting other more general options)
Dec 07 03:29:46 <rwhitby> yep, that's how spaghetti architectures are created :-)
Dec 07 03:29:54 <dBsooner> I'll just create a shell script that will ftpput the .log file to my ftp server using a public un/pw.
Dec 07 03:29:58 <dBsooner> no big deal.
Dec 07 03:30:22 * rwhitby bbiab
Dec 07 03:30:29 <dBsooner> I wanted to eliminate that step.. the step of having the user gain shell access in one way or another.
Dec 07 03:30:45 <oil> if the output was in teh ipkglog, preware could do it
Dec 07 03:30:57 <oil> but being separate puts it outside prewares range
Dec 07 03:31:08 <dBsooner> ok
Dec 07 03:31:41 <dBsooner> I don't think it would be feasible to put all the postinst/prerm stuff into the ipkglog
Dec 07 03:34:28 <sslow> dbsooner:http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll263/2sslow/photos-temp-0jpg-15.jpg,http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll263/2sslow/photos-temp-0jpg-14.jpg,http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll263/2sslow/photos-temp-0jpg-13.jpg,http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll263/2sslow/photos-temp-0jpg-12.jpg
Dec 07 03:34:43 <oil> wow
Dec 07 03:35:05 <sslow> sorry
Dec 07 03:35:19 <sslow> http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll263/2sslow/photos-temp-0jpg-15.jpg
Dec 07 03:35:32 <sslow> http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll263/2sslow/photos-temp-0jpg-14.jpg
Dec 07 03:35:43 <sslow> http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll263/2sslow/photos-temp-0jpg-13.jpg
Dec 07 03:35:57 <sslow> http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll263/2sslow/photos-temp-0jpg-12.jpg
Dec 07 03:36:07 <gkatsev> heh, totally missed that there is a default apps option in the app launcher...
Dec 07 03:38:55 <dBsooner> rwhitby: check your twitter
Dec 07 03:39:05 <dBsooner> thanks sslow
Dec 07 03:39:48 <sslow> dbsooner:no problem, sorry about the pic size!
Dec 07 03:39:59 <dBsooner> I should specify that on the form.
Dec 07 04:08:16 <egaudet> I am anticipating that the webos-patches.log won't be needed a vast majority of the time
Dec 07 04:08:24 <egaudet> and by anticipating I mean really really hoping
Dec 07 04:10:31 <egaudet> if it makes more sense we can always move the log to /media/internal
Dec 07 04:10:44 <egaudet> or users could use QI's receive file to get it from /var
Dec 07 04:11:27 <egaudet> I'm also not sure how this will impact the compatibility with QI drag+drop patching system
Dec 07 04:12:04 <dBsooner> Well, I agree with "really really hoping"
Dec 07 04:12:12 <dBsooner> but you and I both know AM is involved.
Dec 07 04:12:27 <egaudet> yea well most of AM problems should be solved with new logic
Dec 07 04:12:40 <dBsooner> keyword: SHOULD
Dec 07 04:13:07 <dBsooner> but as you said a minute ago: WQI will still be there.. and it COULD still cause issues.
Dec 07 04:13:21 <dBsooner> and what about the directory being created not hiavng a backup?
Dec 07 04:13:32 <dBsooner> where EPR/PreRm doesn't remove properly?
Dec 07 04:14:32 <egaudet> i added mkdir -p
Dec 07 04:14:39 <egaudet> so backups will be there
Dec 07 04:14:51 <egaudet> prerm already removed those fine
Dec 07 04:14:57 <egaudet> prerm doesnt' use backup files
Dec 07 04:15:04 <egaudet> in general backup files should never be needed
Dec 07 04:15:10 <egaudet> that's why EPR is "emergency"
Dec 07 04:15:13 <rwhitby> webos-patches-testing feed is building ...
Dec 07 04:15:25 <egaudet> from major_upgrade branch?
Dec 07 04:15:28 <rwhitby> yep
Dec 07 04:15:42 <egaudet> is this a manual one time build?
Dec 07 04:15:48 <rwhitby> yep
Dec 07 04:16:14 <rwhitby> (or as many times as needed, but manual)
Dec 07 04:16:14 <egaudet> cool
Dec 07 04:17:02 <dBsooner> OWE
Dec 07 04:17:14 <dBsooner> anyone watching the Vikings/Cardinal's game?
Dec 07 04:17:19 <egaudet> so testing should start with 1.2.1
Dec 07 04:17:30 <egaudet> install as many patches as we can
Dec 07 04:17:47 <egaudet> OTA update, change the test feed to the 1.3.1 test feed and make sure all can update cleanly
Dec 07 04:18:01 <egaudet> I'll doctor to 1.2.1 tomorrow
Dec 07 04:18:13 <dBsooner> That hurts! That is soo sad. :(
Dec 07 04:19:19 <dBsooner> But that's cool, the guy that got injured has his brother there .. His brother is on Injured reserves for Arizona. So he got to ride on the cart with him off the field..
Dec 07 04:21:10 <Smubeht> dBsooner im watching it lol.  and losing in fantasy due to this game frikking boldin
Dec 07 04:21:26 <dBsooner> yeah.. it's an ugly game for Fantasy.
Dec 07 04:21:40 <dBsooner> But man.. I think that will be a career ending injury.
Dec 07 04:21:43 <Smubeht> guy im playing has beanie wells, boldin, sidney rice, and shaincoe
Dec 07 04:22:01 <Smubeht> 49 pts between the 4 of them..not so bad..but 28 from boldin
Dec 07 04:22:07 <Smubeht> so im screwed
Dec 07 04:22:08 <Smubeht> haha
Dec 07 04:22:19 <dBsooner> yeah.. Who you got?
Dec 07 04:22:23 <Smubeht> packers defense left for me,
Dec 07 04:22:29 <Smubeht> he has ray rice and ravens def after this
Dec 07 04:22:40 <dBsooner> ouch.. I think you're screwed.
Dec 07 04:22:46 <Smubeht> sims walker and dallas clark did horrible for me today
Dec 07 04:22:53 <Smubeht> and i have housh who is consistently terrible
Dec 07 04:23:07 <Smubeht> had to play him cuz turner is hurt
Dec 07 04:23:11 <Smubeht> next week should be better
Dec 07 04:23:26 <sdodson> Does anyone know if openvpn was compiled with down-root?
Dec 07 04:30:44 <Decimate> in west philidelphi born and raiseddd.
Dec 07 04:31:07 <Decimate> delphia*
Dec 07 04:34:02 <dBsooner> sslow: those screens didn't work either
Dec 07 04:34:33 <dBsooner> sslow: I mean, they "work".. but having all those other patches in the shot is misleading.
Dec 07 04:45:06 <egaudet> can I watch any sprint conference videos without having silverlight
Dec 07 04:45:19 <egaudet> since I don't think there is silverlight for linux
Dec 07 04:45:38 <dBsooner> I HATE how websites require Silverlight
Dec 07 04:45:42 <dBsooner> I hate microsoft!
Dec 07 04:45:54 <dBsooner> my wife's "Scentsy.com" crap requires that.
Dec 07 04:46:03 <dBsooner> you can't use their website period without Silverlight.
Dec 07 04:46:14 <egaudet> it's ridiculous
Dec 07 04:46:24 <egaudet> those types of things drive me far away from a certain company
Dec 07 04:46:44 <dBsooner> just pushed 11 new, 3 modified to build.git
Dec 07 04:46:46 <dBsooner> and mods
Dec 07 04:46:52 <dBsooner> for 1.3.1
Dec 07 04:51:31 <dBsooner> egaudet: so explain the common.mk.. does it create a DUMMY for everything first?
Dec 07 04:51:48 <egaudet> dBsooner, yea
Dec 07 04:51:51 <dBsooner> then if a package exists, it overwrites it in the next make?
Dec 07 04:51:59 <dBsooner> ok
Dec 07 04:52:13 <egaudet> which will be a one time thing, after they are built they will be seen as "nothing to be done"
Dec 07 04:52:19 <dBsooner> yeah
Dec 07 04:52:20 <egaudet> yup yup
Dec 07 04:53:08 <egaudet> so we start with all <webos_version>-0 version packages which are all "dummies", and then anything that really has a version will be made as a <webos_version>-<bigger_than_0>
Dec 07 04:54:02 <Decimate> anyone here willing to make a quick patch? im sure its easy, i just dont have access to the webos files.
Dec 07 04:54:10 <dBsooner> But all my 1.3.5's are 1.3.5-0
Dec 07 04:54:15 <dBsooner> I didn't say that outloud..
Dec 07 04:54:18 <egaudet> dBsooner, so we should probably start changing that
Dec 07 04:54:28 <egaudet> starting at -1 from now on
Dec 07 04:54:31 <dBsooner> ok
Dec 07 04:54:37 <dBsooner> I'll do a quick sed replace
Dec 07 04:54:39 <oil> Decimate: extract the doctor
Dec 07 04:54:43 <egaudet> it won't really matter, just makes it a quick "tell" based on version
Dec 07 04:54:48 <dBsooner> and push and tag 1.3.5-1
Dec 07 04:55:09 <Decimate> oil: k, hopefully i can make this
Dec 07 04:55:16 <Decimate> seems easy, but knowing me ill complicate it
Dec 07 04:55:21 <egaudet> there are some -0's for all versions (1.2.1, 1.3.1)
Dec 07 04:55:27 <dBsooner> yeah, true.
Dec 07 04:55:28 <dBsooner> hmm
Dec 07 04:55:30 <egaudet> but those will be fixed in the mass bump anyway
Dec 07 04:55:31 <Decimate> i want to make it so when you forward a text, it adds FWD: in front of it.
Dec 07 04:55:36 <egaudet> that we need to do
Dec 07 04:55:37 <dBsooner> yep
Dec 07 04:55:46 <dBsooner> when?
Dec 07 04:56:11 <egaudet> technically we could have left the -0's because they would overwrite the "dummies", but it seems better to have all -0's be "unavailable" patches
Dec 07 04:56:29 <dBsooner> yea, in the future it will be ok
Dec 07 04:56:32 <dBsooner> from 1.3.5 on
Dec 07 04:56:42 <egaudet> The only thing I'm worried about is if users will ask too many questions when they see this unavaible category with a bunch of stuff in it that they can't have
Dec 07 04:57:17 <dBsooner> *cough* oil *cough*
Dec 07 04:57:19 <egaudet> unless Preware wanted to have  "hidden" type of category somehow :P
Dec 07 04:57:28 <egaudet> with user preference option to "show hidden"
Dec 07 04:57:31 <dBsooner> Feel like trying to make "Unavailable" hidden?
Dec 07 04:57:45 <dBsooner> Ticket? :D
Dec 07 04:57:58 <egaudet> although that seems more like a metadata packing standards thing
Dec 07 04:58:22 <egaudet> or something I dunno, I'll let oil think about it
Dec 07 05:00:24 <Decimate> hmm, i cant find where the forward code is located :/
Dec 07 05:03:37 <dBsooner> So, I'm going to the Sun Bowl in El Paso, TX on Dec 31.. Oklahoma vs Stanford.
Dec 07 05:03:44 <dBsooner> It's a 910 mile drive from here.
Dec 07 05:04:04 <dBsooner> And I can't leave untill 4 or 5 in the afternoon on the 30th.
Dec 07 05:04:08 <dBsooner> Game is at noon on the 31st.
Dec 07 05:05:03 <dBsooner> What are these 500Mhz-600Mhz patches?
Dec 07 05:05:10 <dBsooner> I thought we ruled 600Mhz = Bad?
Dec 07 05:05:13 <egaudet> wtf
Dec 07 05:05:36 <egaudet> how do you jump from game is at noon to 500mhz patches.  I initially thought you it was 500mph :P
Dec 07 05:05:55 <egaudet> what 500-600 patches?
Dec 07 05:06:24 <dBsooner> jauderho!!!
Dec 07 05:06:38 <dBsooner> You're messin with my repo?? ;)
Dec 07 05:06:52 <dBsooner> lol.. Because I am going through my tabs in Firefox.
Dec 07 05:07:09 <egaudet> I'm so confused
Dec 07 05:07:11 <dBsooner> I had my tab left open from buying my tickets @ ticketmaster.com and then my hotel reservation
Dec 07 05:07:33 <dBsooner> then it was my gitorious.org tab with jauderho's push of the 500-600 mhz patches
Dec 07 05:07:38 <dBsooner> http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/commits/webos-1.3.1
Dec 07 05:08:15 <egaudet> so?
Dec 07 05:08:21 <egaudet> that's modifications repo
Dec 07 05:08:23 <dBsooner> nothing
Dec 07 05:08:48 <egaudet> just keeping them out of being packaged
Dec 07 05:09:07 <rwhitby> yep, they're in the modifications repo for the brave
Dec 07 05:09:08 <dBsooner> I understand.. I just have to figure those patches into my counting.. just how I do things.
Dec 07 05:09:30 <dBsooner> I do a find . -name *.patch | wc -l
Dec 07 05:09:43 <Decimate> is it possible to have to AIM accounts in the messaging app
Dec 07 05:09:48 <Decimate> or is it only 1? allowed?
Dec 07 05:10:01 <dBsooner> Decimate: You tell me.. :)
Dec 07 05:10:05 <dBsooner> Try it and find out
Dec 07 05:10:15 <Decimate> well, im trying to set up the second
Dec 07 05:10:18 <bhuey> I have a question. Does anybody have either the text the link modifying a binary via "vi" so that network forwarding is enabled ?
Dec 07 05:10:18 <egaudet> yea so if I log into my palm profile and all my contacts are gone, are they gone forever?
Dec 07 05:10:20 <dBsooner> rwhitby: check your twitter
Dec 07 05:10:23 <Decimate> and its sitting and signing in
Dec 07 05:10:28 <egaudet> because I'm kind of ticked that I have no contacts now
Dec 07 05:10:43 <Decimate> egaudet: yeah.
Dec 07 05:10:44 <dBsooner> egaudet: gmail?
Dec 07 05:10:49 <bhuey> I've done a search and all of those references are gone publicly now
Dec 07 05:10:55 <egaudet> gmail? no
Dec 07 05:10:58 <Decimate> happened to me once, i switched to google for my contact storage
Dec 07 05:10:59 <rick_home> egaudet:  did you doctor with a different version than your last backup?
Dec 07 05:11:03 <bhuey> being deliberately vague here
Dec 07 05:11:12 <dBsooner> egaudet: you relied on palm's cloud?
Dec 07 05:11:13 <egaudet> rick_home, my phone was replaced
Dec 07 05:11:15 <rwhitby> dBsooner: I did check twitter.  when it's released, I'll retweet.
Dec 07 05:11:20 * bhuey wished he'd save those instructions
Dec 07 05:11:21 <egaudet> yea i relied on palm's cloud :(
Dec 07 05:11:24 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I wanted to tease.
Dec 07 05:11:27 <Decimate> well, you cant have 2 of one account
Dec 07 05:11:32 <dBsooner> that's why I said, "soon"
Dec 07 05:11:34 <Decimate> but i found this line commented in the messaging app
Dec 07 05:11:36 <rwhitby> otherwise punters will be confused as to whether they should remove patches or not
Dec 07 05:11:47 <rick_home> egaudet:   when you phone was replaced was it on a different webOS version?
Dec 07 05:11:51 <Decimate> TODO: When we have multiple accounts of the same type, append the account username
Dec 07 05:11:52 <Decimate> TODO: When we have multiple accounts of the same type, append the account username
Dec 07 05:11:53 <Decimate> TODO: When we have multiple accounts of the same type, append the account username
Dec 07 05:11:56 <Decimate> 3 times? :/
Dec 07 05:11:59 <rick_home> if so, then there's a workaround, but it may be too late.
Dec 07 05:12:02 <egaudet> rick_home, yea it was 1.2.1 I had to OTA it
Dec 07 05:12:03 <Decimate> either way, they will eventually.
Dec 07 05:12:09 <rick_home> ahhhh
Dec 07 05:12:19 <egaudet> I assume it's too late then
Dec 07 05:12:20 <rick_home> then you should have first-used it with a fake palm-profile.
Dec 07 05:12:39 <rick_home> then doctored it with the CORRECT version
Dec 07 05:12:42 <rick_home> which would pick up your stuff.
Dec 07 05:13:05 <rick_home> you could TRY doctoriing it now with the correct version, if it's been less-than-a-day so that the 1.2.1  didn't backup yet
Dec 07 05:13:23 <rick_home> this is a thing in which palm is SERIOUSLY BROKEN
Dec 07 05:13:25 <egaudet> I've had it for 3 days, but I OTA to 1.3.1 the day I got it
Dec 07 05:13:37 <rwhitby> dBsooner: @webosinternals doesn't tease, it delivers.
Dec 07 05:13:39 <rick_home> yeah, can you check your last-backup date?
Dec 07 05:14:11 <egaudet> the refurb'd pre they gave me because mine broke has some seirous oreo issues, the usb cover sticks out a bit is hard to get in and the power button gives me no click feedback
Dec 07 05:14:20 <egaudet> how can i check the backup date?
Dec 07 05:15:56 <rick_home> launcher - backup shows last backup date
Dec 07 05:16:12 <egaudet> :( yesterday
Dec 07 05:16:29 <rick_home> so, you've backed up blankness.
Dec 07 05:16:46 * dBsooner gives a bottle of Jack Daniel's to egaudet.
Dec 07 05:16:47 <rick_home> again all the more reason to create a dummy gmail account to hold your contacts and set it as primary for contacts.
Dec 07 05:16:51 <egaudet> I assume they don't keep any history on their end
Dec 07 05:16:57 <rick_home> they do actually
Dec 07 05:17:04 <rick_home> contact support in the morning.
Dec 07 05:17:30 <egaudet> palm support?  do you know their email offhand
Dec 07 05:17:40 <dBsooner> they have an online chat
Dec 07 05:17:44 <dBsooner> = free
Dec 07 05:17:50 <dBsooner> calling = costs $15
Dec 07 05:18:07 <rick_home> javascript:viewEmbeddedObject('43473')
Dec 07 05:18:10 <rick_home> ooops
Dec 07 05:18:22 <rick_home> yeah,  http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/supportservices/page_en.html
Dec 07 05:18:25 <Decimate> okay guys, im clueless with javascript so i come to you with a quick question
Dec 07 05:18:26 <rick_home> chat them up now
Dec 07 05:18:41 <rick_home> Decimate:  probably the wrong channel but go ahead
Dec 07 05:18:44 <Decimate> if i wanted to add "FWD:" to the beginning of the text when i forward a message
Dec 07 05:18:46 <egaudet> ahh ok cool
Dec 07 05:18:49 <Decimate> would this be proper to change
Dec 07 05:18:49 <egaudet> I'll have to chat with them tomorrow
Dec 07 05:18:50 <Decimate> var composeParams = {
Dec 07 05:18:51 <Decimate> 				messageText: text,
Dec 07 05:18:52 <Decimate> 				focusWindow: true,
Dec 07 05:18:53 <Decimate> 				launchedAsForward: true
Dec 07 05:18:54 <Decimate> 			};
Dec 07 05:18:55 <Decimate> to
Dec 07 05:19:05 <gkatsev> webos.pastebin.com is your friend...
Dec 07 05:19:11 <Decimate> sorry :P
Dec 07 05:19:13 <egaudet> actually yea I'll try now
Dec 07 05:19:40 <rwhitby> dBsooner: in major upgrade branch, does make in a patch directory continually rebuild for you?
Dec 07 05:19:50 <dBsooner> let me try
Dec 07 05:20:10 <Decimate> http://webos.pastebin.com/m560cb531
Dec 07 05:20:11 <Decimate> okay
Dec 07 05:20:13 <rick_home> Decimate:   it might, you would need to look at the docs for the email app as service
Dec 07 05:20:18 <Decimate> wuld that be proper javascript.
Dec 07 05:20:23 <Decimate> would*
Dec 07 05:20:37 <Decimate> just the way i added forward to it, is that how its done
Dec 07 05:20:50 <gkatsev> that should work.
Dec 07 05:20:54 <gkatsev> why, you having problems?
Dec 07 05:21:03 <bhuey> hmmm, PmConnectionManager is missing now in the new 1.3.1 update
Dec 07 05:21:16 <Decimate> nope
Dec 07 05:21:18 <Decimate> havent tried yet :P
Dec 07 05:21:22 <rick_home> Decimate:   no
Dec 07 05:21:36 <Decimate> rick_home, how shall it be done then.
Dec 07 05:21:37 <dBsooner> rwhitby: no.. I went to app-catalog-show-download-count
Dec 07 05:21:45 <rick_home> Decimate:   http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1547
Dec 07 05:21:50 <dBsooner> rwhitby: is it during the DUMMY run?
Dec 07 05:22:05 <rick_home> there's an example down near the bottom.  But the summary parameter is the subject of the email
Dec 07 05:22:30 <dBsooner> wait
Dec 07 05:22:33 <dBsooner> yes it does rwhitby
Dec 07 05:22:39 <rick_home> and so if you have a subject "aboij [oi fjdoijdf '  and want to prepend FWD to it you do   "FWD: " +  "that other stuff)
Dec 07 05:22:44 <dBsooner> it doesn't do "already up to date"
Dec 07 05:22:47 <rwhitby> dBsooner: ok, that needs to be fixed
Dec 07 05:23:16 <dBsooner> hmm.. ok.. let me look.. one sec
Dec 07 05:23:31 <preston_wirc> rwitby, you're from australia, right?
Dec 07 05:24:03 <rwhitby> preston_wirc: yep
Dec 07 05:24:50 <preston_wirc> rwitby, if you had 14 days to spend your honeymoon there, where would you go?
Dec 07 05:25:19 <ird> preston_wirc: bed
Dec 07 05:25:28 <oil> lol
Dec 07 05:25:32 <preston_wirc> lol
Dec 07 05:25:44 <ird> Just sayin'
Dec 07 05:26:29 <Decimate> rick_home: hmm, okay, ill get back in a second to give the verdict of it working or not
Dec 07 05:26:39 * rick_home would not waste four days of his honeymoon traveling half-way around the world and more days recovering from half-day jet lag.
Dec 07 05:27:03 <dBsooner> rwhitby
Dec 07 05:27:17 <ird> rw<tab>
Dec 07 05:27:19 <egaudet> I can't chat with Palm unless I have windows??
Dec 07 05:27:19 <ird> :D
Dec 07 05:27:19 <rwhitby> preston_wirc: cairns
Dec 07 05:27:38 <rick_home> egaudet:   what happened?
Dec 07 05:27:48 <dBsooner> I think it has to do with all the packages that have <version>-0 version #'s..
Dec 07 05:27:48 <rwhitby> preston_wirc: a couple of days in sydney
Dec 07 05:27:49 <egaudet> dBsooner, rwhitby, rebuild problem fixed pushed
Dec 07 05:27:53 <preston_wirc> rick_home, but its the only (populated) continent neither  of us have been to yet.
Dec 07 05:27:56 <egaudet> rick_home, I select chat with palm and it tries to run some .exe
Dec 07 05:28:06 <preston_wirc> rwitby, good weather in june?
Dec 07 05:28:11 <rick_home> egaudet wait one.
Dec 07 05:28:30 <rwhitby> preston_wirc: june is winter
Dec 07 05:28:47 <Decimate> why does it take SO long to remove an IM account on the pre.
Dec 07 05:29:21 <dBsooner> very nice egaudet. thanks.
Dec 07 05:29:31 <dBsooner> rwhitby: major_upgrade builds right now.
Dec 07 05:29:47 <preston_wirc> "winter" means something pretty extreme where I'm from. how cold?
Dec 07 05:29:55 <rick_home> egaudet:   it's logmein  for window or osx
Dec 07 05:30:00 <rick_home> no linux client I know of
Dec 07 05:30:03 <dBsooner> egaudet: that's the alternate connection method. logmein
Dec 07 05:30:36 <rwhitby> preston_wirc: cairns is tropical, so not too cold.  but your wife won't be able to scuba dive in a bikini in winter
Dec 07 05:31:43 <Hbp> sorry , I cross compile kernel 1.3.1, but WiFi driver can't load..
Dec 07 05:32:03 <preston_wirc> rwitby, we prefer to spend our time on the surface. good sailing there?
Dec 07 05:32:26 <Hbp> who can help me ?
Dec 07 05:33:38 <rick_home> Hbp I don't see anyone on tonight who has done custom kernels for the Pre.
Dec 07 05:33:49 <egaudet> so a linux user has to use email?  no chat :(
Dec 07 05:34:11 <dBsooner> egaudet: VBox a windows install
Dec 07 05:34:13 <ajames> Hbp: what .config did you use?
Dec 07 05:34:14 <rick_home> egaudet:   I can hook you up with a gotomeeting session on a windows box right now if you want.
Dec 07 05:34:16 <ird> I thought custom kernels were pointless for the pre.
Dec 07 05:34:16 <dBsooner> you get 3 days to trial
Dec 07 05:34:36 <egaudet> I guess I can fire up VBox
Dec 07 05:34:37 <ajames> ird: why would they be?
Dec 07 05:34:39 <Hbp> 1.2.1 no problem
Dec 07 05:34:55 <ird> I mean for speed improvements.
Dec 07 05:35:00 <egaudet> see if my windows installs still are there
Dec 07 05:35:02 <ajames> oh
Dec 07 05:35:06 <rick_home> ird that wouldn't be the reason
Dec 07 05:35:06 <Hbp> in /boot on pre
Dec 07 05:38:01 <Hbp> anyboy can help me ?
Dec 07 05:40:07 <rwhitby> preston_wirc: for sailing, do the whitsundays
Dec 07 05:41:08 <Decimate> i think im an idiot.
Dec 07 05:41:37 <Decimate> i still cant figure out how to properly add "FWD" to the beginning of the messageText param in
Dec 07 05:41:38 <Decimate> var composeParams = {
Dec 07 05:41:38 <Decimate> 				messageText: text,
Dec 07 05:41:39 <Decimate> 				focusWindow: true,
Dec 07 05:41:40 <Decimate> 				launchedAsForward: true
Dec 07 05:41:41 <Decimate> 			};
Dec 07 05:42:00 <gkatsev> Decimate: what did i say about webos.pastebin.com being your friend? lol
Dec 07 05:42:19 <Decimate> gkatsev: lol, i know i know. at least it wasnt 100 lines of code? :)
Dec 07 05:42:26 <gkatsev> yeah, thats true
Dec 07 05:43:10 <Decimate> eitherway, im a javascript noob, and honestly cant figure this out
Dec 07 05:45:31 <rick_home> var composeParams = {
Dec 07 05:45:33 <rick_home> 	messageText: "FWD" +  text,
Dec 07 05:46:02 <rick_home> Decimate:   is that what you want?
Dec 07 05:46:35 <Decimate> yeah.. but it doesnt work when i do that :/
Dec 07 05:47:00 <rick_home> Decimate:   what are you _doing_ ?  what are those params being passed to?
Dec 07 05:47:20 <Decimate> this.controller.stageController.pushScene("compose", composeParams);
Dec 07 05:47:21 <Decimate> this.controller.stageController.pushScene("compose", composeParams);
Dec 07 05:47:22 <Decimate> this.controller.stageController.pushScene("compose", composeParams);
Dec 07 05:47:27 <Decimate> idk why it does it 3 times..
Dec 07 05:47:34 <Decimate> stupid computer
Dec 07 05:47:55 <rick_home> ok Decimate
Dec 07 05:48:22 <rick_home> Decimate:  is text a string variable that contains your message?
Dec 07 05:48:37 <rick_home> or is text a more complex object?
Dec 07 05:49:02 <Decimate> handleContextMenuSelectSmsIm: function(text, messageId, index, value)
Dec 07 05:49:14 <Decimate> its a variable which is put into the function when called
Dec 07 05:49:18 <Decimate> idk where its called.
Dec 07 05:49:42 <rick_home> Decimate:  ok, but is it a STRING variable?  Does it have something IN IT?
Dec 07 05:49:56 <rwhitby> egaudet: virtual-keyboard needs a 1.1.3-0 tag
Dec 07 05:50:03 <Decimate> rick_home: yes
Dec 07 05:50:07 <rwhitby> egaudet: (I think)
Dec 07 05:50:15 <rick_home> ahead of your push,  do this:   Mojo.Log.error("text is" + text)  so you can see what's in it.
Dec 07 05:50:25 <egaudet> ahh yes virtual-keyboard doesn't use common.mk I don't believe
Dec 07 05:50:34 <rick_home> Decimate:   ok, so assuming that text is a variable (and it's a STUPID NAME for a variable by the way.
Dec 07 05:50:37 <rick_home> then do this.
Dec 07 05:50:51 <rick_home> FWDText = "FWD"  + text ;
Dec 07 05:51:07 <rick_home> composeParams = {message: FWDText,   .....
Dec 07 05:51:09 <egaudet> actually it does
Dec 07 05:52:03 <egaudet> hmm virtual keyboard rebuilds for you too rwhitby ?
Dec 07 05:52:09 <rwhitby> webos-patches-testing feed is up with AUPT technology
Dec 07 05:52:22 <rwhitby> Auto-Update Patch Tecnology
Dec 07 05:52:45 <rwhitby> (not to be confused with the Debian apt tool)
Dec 07 05:54:04 <Decimate> rick_home
Dec 07 05:54:06 <Decimate> kk, trying it
Dec 07 05:54:27 <Decimate> if it doesnt work, ill get a clean copy of the file and try to make only those changes to assure i didnt accidentally change anything else
Dec 07 05:54:31 <Decimate> if it doesnt work after that
Dec 07 05:54:34 <Decimate> i quit
Dec 07 05:54:57 <rick_home> if it doesn't work after that, zip up the app and tell me which scene's we're looking at....
Dec 07 05:54:58 <Decimate> rick_home: works.
Dec 07 05:55:02 <rick_home> cool
Dec 07 05:55:17 <Decimate> thanks a lot
Dec 07 05:55:25 <rick_home> ask me why....
Dec 07 05:55:33 <Decimate> WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Dec 07 05:56:06 <rick_home> because the object on the other end didn't parse the calculation when we tried to embed it.
Dec 07 05:56:34 <Decimate> i hate javascript.
Dec 07 05:56:38 <rick_home> it's a bad idea to embed code in objects that are going to be passed as parameters.  This comes under the broad heading of evail is evil
Dec 07 05:56:45 <rick_home> I love javascript
Dec 07 05:56:55 <rick_home> there are 10,236 ways to do ANYTHING .
Dec 07 05:56:58 <rick_home> makes me happy
Dec 07 05:57:16 <Decimate> most people get mad when i tell them i love c++ :)
Dec 07 05:57:17 * rwhitby wonders what's so wrong with evail ...
Dec 07 05:57:43 * rick_home can't type -- a truth that's going to be unlikely to change in his dotage
Dec 07 05:58:00 <zomg> rwhitby: the fact that 95% of times you see it used it's used to emulate some behavior that can be done in a better, faster way? ;>
Dec 07 05:58:11 <Decimate> oh man
Dec 07 05:58:21 <Decimate> i messed with my messaging patches by doing this
Dec 07 05:58:23 <Decimate> this cant be good.
Dec 07 05:58:25 <rick_home> really   I so seldom see   E V A I L used.....
Dec 07 05:58:35 <zomg> haha :P
Dec 07 05:58:51 <rwhitby> I figured rick_home wrote his accounting stuff in it ...
Dec 07 05:58:58 <rick_home> although I am told that eval is also evil for the reasons you cite, and others such as "it's confusing" and "you can't optimize it."
Dec 07 05:58:58 <zomg> Best line of code ever: var evail = eval;
Dec 07 06:00:28 <rick_home> window.prototype.do = function (param) {return eval(param)};
Dec 07 06:00:40 <Decimate> okay guys. i come to you for help once more. i installed the Timestamps - Clean patch. then just modified one of the files that it modified, so now i cant uninstall the patch, although it doesnt work
Dec 07 06:00:44 <Decimate> what do i do.
Dec 07 06:00:55 <rick_home> put it back
Dec 07 06:01:08 <Decimate> i dont have the file
Dec 07 06:01:16 <rick_home> copy your backup of the unmodified file back
Dec 07 06:01:26 <zomg> rick_home: how about this window.eval = function(code) { var func = new Function(code); return func(); };
Dec 07 06:01:29 <zomg> ;>
Dec 07 06:01:48 <Decimate> rick_home: it doesnt allow me to remove the patch if i have the unmodified file either.
Dec 07 06:01:52 <rwhitby> Decimate: unmodify->EPR->WRU->DOCTOR - that's your repair tree
Dec 07 06:01:56 <rick_home> zomg:   I love circular reference code.
Dec 07 06:02:49 <Decimate> i need someones chatview-assistant file who has the Timestamps - Clean patch installed.
Dec 07 06:03:01 <zomg> JavaScript is funny tho
Dec 07 06:03:16 <rick_home> it certainly keeps ME laughing
Dec 07 06:03:18 <zomg> We have seasoned S60 C veterans at work, who get totally confused about how 'this' works in JS
Dec 07 06:03:27 <geist> hah
Dec 07 06:03:27 <rick_home> ahhhh  yes
Dec 07 06:03:50 <rick_home> well,   the whole question of scope in JS is --   uh,  errr  uh,   "complex"
Dec 07 06:04:21 <zomg> I on the other hand have no clue when they start talking about their S60 C stuff
Dec 07 06:04:24 <zomg> but we get along just fine otherwise
Dec 07 06:04:25 <zomg> ;>
Dec 07 06:04:32 <Decimate> so i guess ill just have to find someone willing to install the patch, and send me the file
Dec 07 06:04:34 <Decimate> GREAT
Dec 07 06:04:48 <rick_home> Decimate:   you could look at the patch file and see what it did?
Dec 07 06:04:53 <rick_home> and then reverse it by hand.
Dec 07 06:05:09 <rick_home> it's probably only a line or two
Dec 07 06:05:25 <Decimate> rick_home: i honestly dont know where to find the patch file for it.
Dec 07 06:05:29 <rick_home> or,  you could install it onto the emulator
Dec 07 06:05:33 <rick_home> and grab the file off there.
Dec 07 06:06:07 <rick_home> since you can always return an emulator to an unpatched state with --reset
Dec 07 06:06:16 <Decimate> the emulator would take longer
Dec 07 06:06:23 <Decimate> i dont have virtualbox.. the sdk.. etc.
Dec 07 06:06:41 <rick_home> Decimate:  what are you doing messing with Pre software without those things...?????/
Dec 07 06:06:42 <Decimate> so if i could find where the patch file is located for this patch, i could figure this out
Dec 07 06:07:02 <Decimate> rick_home: did a clean install of windows 7 a bit back, havent installed since
Dec 07 06:07:22 <Decimate> with the amazingness of WOSQI and preware, it isnt needed :)
Dec 07 06:07:25 <rick_home> Decimate:  ahhh -- rwhitby   where is the git repo for patches again?
Dec 07 06:08:35 <rwhitby> gitorious.org/webos-internals
Dec 07 06:09:23 <oil> why was it never moved?
Dec 07 06:09:44 <rick_home> there's your answer Decimate
Dec 07 06:10:10 * rick_home bed
Dec 07 06:10:12 <rick_home> gnight all
Dec 07 06:10:31 <Decimate> i got it :D thanks rick_home, rwhitby
Dec 07 06:11:23 <rwhitby> oil: too many wiki pages and posts referencing it
Dec 07 06:13:29 <Decimate> hmm
Dec 07 06:13:31 <Decimate> thats weird
Dec 07 06:13:38 <Decimate> EPR isnt showing up in preware
Dec 07 06:13:57 <egaudet> :sigh: Palm chat doesn't understand
Dec 07 06:23:47 <egaudet> rwhitby, dBsooner, fixed Virtual Keyboard dummy package builds
Dec 07 06:24:01 <rick_home> sorry egaudet   perhaps try during daytime hours
Dec 07 06:24:24 <egaudet> rick_home, yea I'll try tomorrow.  I explained the issue but he simply told me to partial erase and login to my profile
Dec 07 06:24:32 <egaudet> said to wait an hour
Dec 07 06:24:53 <egaudet> I kept trying to explain that I needed my 12/3 backed up data, not the current stuff but to no avail
Dec 07 06:31:17 <egaudet> Decimate, where are you looking for it
Dec 07 06:31:19 <egaudet> (EPR)
Dec 07 06:33:28 <dBsooner> egaudet: all 1.3.5 packages are now 1.3.5-1's
Dec 07 06:33:30 <dBsooner> no more -0's
Dec 07 06:34:00 <dBsooner> rwhitby: can you please delete all *_1.3.5-0_all.ipk's from the feed?
Dec 07 06:34:06 <egaudet> cool, and all other versions (1.1.3, 1.2.1 and 1.3.1) will be bumped with release
Dec 07 06:34:22 <egaudet> s/with/before/
Dec 07 06:34:32 <dBsooner> egaudet: none of the 1.3.5's have the new postinst/prerm though..
Dec 07 06:34:40 <dBsooner> we can just blow them out and rebuild them once we merge
Dec 07 06:35:02 <egaudet> then keep them at -0
Dec 07 06:35:07 <egaudet> and we'll up all 4 at the same time
Dec 07 06:35:14 <dBsooner> too late
Dec 07 06:35:25 <dBsooner> it's ok, we can just rebuild -1's
Dec 07 06:35:39 <egaudet> we can just bump up to -2's too
Dec 07 06:35:42 <dBsooner> because I am sure between now and then I will have -2's
Dec 07 06:35:45 * rwhitby bbl
Dec 07 06:36:00 <dBsooner> because I am testing all new submissions against 1.3.5 and adding there if they apply.
Dec 07 06:36:09 <egaudet> we'll just bump every single version when we release
Dec 07 06:36:13 <dBsooner> k
Dec 07 06:36:46 <egaudet> we'll have to whip up a nice little script to parse the different VERSIONS to bump them all
Dec 07 06:38:00 <dBsooner> yeah, easy
Dec 07 06:38:49 <dBsooner> i'll write that right now..
Dec 07 06:39:51 <egaudet> well I'm going to bed
Dec 07 06:40:02 <dBsooner> ok
Dec 07 06:40:15 <dBsooner> i'll write the .sh script and push it to the major_upgrade repo
Dec 07 06:40:15 <egaudet> do the 1.2.1 doctor and testing of updates tomorrow
Dec 07 06:40:27 <egaudet> k
Dec 07 06:41:14 <egaudet> night
Dec 07 06:48:46 <joshua> is there a preware log somewhere so I can see these 404 errors its getting or is it just broke for now
Dec 07 07:03:36 <dBsooner> how do you get awk to only return from the find forward?
Dec 07 07:04:04 <dBsooner> example:
Dec 07 07:04:22 <dBsooner> VERSIONS = 1.1.3-0 1.2.1-0 1.3.1-0
Dec 07 07:04:54 <dBsooner> if I do "awk '/1.3.1-0/ {print}'" , it returns the entire line
Dec 07 07:06:00 <dBsooner> err.. "awk '/1.3.1/ {print}'", it returns the entire line.. {print $1} woudl return VERSIONS.. I don't want that.
Dec 07 07:06:36 <dBsooner> I want print $1 to return 1.3.1- (what it swearched for) and {print $2} to return "0", the part after 1.3.1-
Dec 07 07:08:10 <dBsooner> nm, I have a different way
Dec 07 07:23:48 <rwhitby> joshua: what 404 errors are you referring to?
Dec 07 07:33:22 <joshua> i ran the update to preware and now it won't load the feeds
Dec 07 07:33:58 <joshua> "Failure during 'update' operation. Collected errors:,wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 404 not Found" etc
Dec 07 07:39:06 <joshua> i disabled all the feeds and it updated and shows the installed apps, gonna go through one by one to see which is the problem feed
Dec 07 07:39:20 <joshua> the error dialog really wasn't very useful to let me know
Dec 07 07:40:22 <joshua> its the preware feed itself. heh
Dec 07 07:41:17 <joshua> maybe the upgrade didn't go as planned
Dec 07 07:46:10 <joshua> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/
Dec 07 07:46:18 <joshua> its pointing to that, which is a 404
Dec 07 07:50:13 <rwhitby> joshua: there has not been a preware feed for months
Dec 07 07:50:26 <rwhitby> joshua: remove /var/etc/ipkg/preware.conf
Dec 07 07:51:06 <joshua> ok, so the preware app comes from the other feed now? i wasn't getting any  errors before the update. weird
Dec 07 07:51:17 <rwhitby> comes from webos-internals feed
Dec 07 07:51:24 <joshua> at least this new version lets you disable them, if only i could delete from the gui. heh
Dec 07 07:52:04 <joshua> is there a gesture or button to do a tab in the terminal? I have been wondering that for a while
Dec 07 07:52:17 <rwhitby> joshua: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/1
Dec 07 07:53:10 <rwhitby> joshua: there is a help menu in Terminal which shows the keys
Dec 07 07:53:33 <joshua> oh non obvious keys... i don't remember seeing that before. hah
Dec 07 07:53:46 <joshua> thanks
Dec 07 08:05:31 <dBsooner> rwhitby: you around?
Dec 07 08:12:48 <dBsooner> rwhitby, egaudet: pushed mass_ver_bump.sh to major_upgrade of build.git. It's currently set to only output a "test.log" file with no changes. The log shows you the Makefile name, the Old VERSION(S), the New VERSION(S) and the exact SED that is to run.
Dec 07 08:13:06 <dBsooner> rwhitby, egaudet: to actually run it, you just have to uncomment the sed replace line at the end.
Dec 07 08:13:07 <rwhitby> ok
Dec 07 08:13:54 <dBsooner> I know it could have been done a more "reasonable" way.. but I like to do things in a particular way.
Dec 07 08:14:31 <dBsooner> I have tested it several times locally. Both as just test.log output and actually sed replacing.
Dec 07 08:14:40 <dBsooner> Works as promised.
Dec 07 08:16:53 <dBsooner> What do you think of it?
Dec 07 08:33:51 <dBsooner> rwhitby: tweeted 11 new, 3 updated patches for 1.3.1. Please RT if you don't mind. :)
Dec 07 10:10:32 <xxbones21xx_> Does anyone know how to edit the sdlgnuboy file so that the input buttons for a and b aren't s and d
Dec 07 10:20:04 <joshua> theres a FAQ in the source that mentions either --varname=value flags when you start it or ~/.gnuboy dot file
Dec 07 10:22:07 <xxbones21xx_> joshua: Are you talking about the website for the webos internals gnuboy tutorial?
Dec 07 10:22:21 <joshua> im just talking about the gnuboy source release
Dec 07 10:22:34 <joshua> in the tar.gz theres a file called FAQ that mentions that
Dec 07 10:23:26 <xxbones21xx_> oh meaning for the linux version?
Dec 07 10:23:38 <xxbones21xx_> the one that is ran from the pc?
Dec 07 10:23:42 <joshua> its the source code
Dec 07 10:23:47 <joshua> uncompiled
Dec 07 10:23:47 <xxbones21xx_> where did you go to read this?
Dec 07 10:23:52 <joshua> http://brightrain.aerifal.cx/~laguna/src/gnuboy-1.0.3.tar.gz
Dec 07 10:24:06 <joshua> theres a docs directory
Dec 07 10:24:09 <xxbones21xx_> k brb
Dec 07 10:24:15 <xxbones21xx_> k
Dec 07 10:25:18 <joshua> theres some sample settings files in there too, I don't know how the pre version would load them
Dec 07 10:25:45 <joshua> bind d +a
Dec 07 10:25:46 <joshua> bind s +b
Dec 07 10:26:07 <joshua> sorry haven't really played with the program on the pre yet. heh
Dec 07 10:28:17 <xxbones21xx_> have you checked it out at all?
Dec 07 10:28:27 <xxbones21xx_> works really good
Dec 07 10:28:36 <xxbones21xx_> accept I have no control over the sound
Dec 07 10:28:49 <xxbones21xx_> so its very loud...
Dec 07 10:42:27 <xxbones21xx_> am i still connected to the channel?
Dec 07 10:43:18 <joshua> yeah, it renamed you and disconnected the other name
Dec 07 10:43:27 <joshua> too late
Dec 07 10:43:46 <xxbones21xx_> joshua: You still there?
Dec 07 10:47:48 <joshua> yeah
Dec 07 10:58:14 <joshua> sorta... my boss is doing network maintenence
Dec 07 10:59:58 <joshua> why are there so many stop watches but no simple kitchen timer app
Dec 07 11:01:58 <joshua> countdown timer, that sounds like what i want
Dec 07 11:07:10 <xxbones21xx_> lolo
Dec 07 11:07:24 <xxbones21xx_> joshua: Question for you...
Dec 07 11:07:58 <xxbones21xx_> joshua: Would you happen to know how to get rid of the sound in the game
Dec 07 11:08:29 <xxbones21xx_> joshua: Since i have no control over the sound i figured i would just get rid of it completely, would save on batter anyways
Dec 07 11:11:13 <joshua> don't see anything in the sample rc about it, just to enable stereo audio
Dec 07 11:12:00 <xxbones21xx_> joshua: then again your speaking from the source for the linux pc based emulator....
Dec 07 11:12:19 <joshua> it has a rom selection screen?
Dec 07 11:12:20 <xxbones21xx_> I dont know if the palm pre one is different or not...
Dec 07 11:12:33 <xxbones21xx_> right
Dec 07 11:12:52 <xxbones21xx_> the one for the palm does not... you have to right a script to execute the rom
Dec 07 11:13:00 <xxbones21xx_> like this...
Dec 07 11:13:28 <joshua> ahh ok, i see somebody ported it to gamepark2 and they have a rom selection that has options with volume
Dec 07 11:13:35 <xxbones21xx_> export SDL_VIDEODRIVER="directfb"
Dec 07 11:13:36 <xxbones21xx_> export SDL_NOMOUSE=1
Dec 07 11:13:36 <xxbones21xx_> sdlgnuboy --scale=2 --density=2 --bind q quit --bind u +up --bind h +left --bind k +right --bind j +down <gameboy file>
Dec 07 11:14:30 <joshua> I wonder how much code change would be required to get that version working on the pre
Dec 07 11:15:15 <xxbones21xx_> Not sure dudestatus is the one responsible for the version that is out.
Dec 07 11:15:37 <xxbones21xx_> maybe if what you have found was made aware to him maybe he could do something with it
Dec 07 11:18:36 <joshua> Its probably heavily modified for the hardware, I don't know what CPU the GP2 uses (it might be ARM as well)
Dec 07 11:18:39 <joshua> http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/GNUBoy
Dec 07 11:23:39 <xxbones21xx_> ah
Dec 07 11:24:11 <xxbones21xx_> If sound is not working for you, try installing the package 'libsdl1.2debian-all' in your debian chroot. To disable sound in the emu, add --sound=0 as a launch parameter
Dec 07 11:24:35 <xxbones21xx_> would i add that in the directfb file shown here...
Dec 07 11:24:46 <xxbones21xx_> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/DirectFB
Dec 07 11:31:04 <joshua> the line you showed me with the scale, density etc... you can add it there
Dec 07 11:31:29 <joshua> theres where all the options go if you want to turn off sound or change the buttons
Dec 07 11:34:57 <debilater> howdy
Dec 07 11:40:07 <debilater> rwhitby: here am i :)
Dec 07 11:40:14 <rwhitby> debilater: hi
Dec 07 11:40:40 <rwhitby> debilater: the git repos are ready for you to clone and upload
Dec 07 11:41:12 <rwhitby> debilater: please follow the layout of the services/ipkgservice and applications/preware repos if possible - that will make packaging easier
Dec 07 11:42:55 <debilater> ok i'll take a look at it (this evening, cause i'm at work at the moment, other timezone here y'know)
Dec 07 11:43:20 <debilater> rwhitby: however, thanks a lot
Dec 07 11:43:57 <rwhitby> debilater: no problem.  I hope we get a good collection of open source services and apps in the feed
Dec 07 11:44:34 <rwhitby> debilater: once the Makefiles have been set up, you will be able to control your own releases just by git tag and put a VERSION change in the preware/build.git Makefile
Dec 07 11:44:53 <rwhitby> the autobuilder doe the rest
Dec 07 11:44:57 <rwhitby> does
Dec 07 11:45:25 <xxbones21xx_> i dont know what the original code is for the "a" and "b" buttons tho
Dec 07 11:45:32 <xxbones21xx_> so i cant change the buttons for it
Dec 07 11:45:34 <rwhitby> debilater: I see you are comfortable with optware packages too.  If you want to add anything there we can organise commit access to that too.
Dec 07 11:46:38 <xxbones21xx_> I know that it uses "--bind u +up" to change the up feature but what would the a button be "--bind <button i want> +"a button""
Dec 07 11:47:34 <xxbones21xx_> see my dilemma
Dec 07 11:47:35 <joshua> --bind z +a
Dec 07 11:47:44 <xxbones21xx_> u think???
Dec 07 11:47:46 <xxbones21xx_> or know
Dec 07 11:47:50 <xxbones21xx_> ???
Dec 07 11:48:00 <joshua> well thats how it is in the rc file
Dec 07 11:48:14 <xxbones21xx_> ok what rc file are you viewing???
Dec 07 11:48:14 <joshua> the a and b buttons are just +a and +b
Dec 07 11:48:18 <xxbones21xx_> ok
Dec 07 11:48:24 <joshua> you grab the tar.gz i linked before?
Dec 07 11:48:35 <xxbones21xx_> i have that open source package u gave me
Dec 07 11:48:41 <xxbones21xx_> what file within?
Dec 07 11:48:48 <joshua> in etc
Dec 07 11:49:08 <joshua> theres sample.rc and classic.rc they are example config files, so you can see some of the options you can set
Dec 07 11:49:40 <joshua> classic one has all the button bindings
Dec 07 11:49:44 <xxbones21xx_> ok
Dec 07 11:52:47 <xxbones21xx_> joshua: thank you
Dec 07 11:53:07 <joshua> no prob
Dec 07 11:59:03 <xxbones21xx_> the package im downloading when i run "apt-get install -y gnuboy-sdl". How can I download the open source for this so i can look in it like we did for the pc version???
Dec 07 12:00:45 <joshua> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gnuboy-sdl
Dec 07 12:01:03 <joshua> i think its the same source, they just apply the debian patches to it
Dec 07 12:01:45 <joshua> if you used debian I guess that answers my sdl question
Dec 07 12:02:05 <xxbones21xx_> yes i loaded the debian img onto the pre
Dec 07 12:02:12 <xxbones21xx_> and chroot
Dec 07 12:02:25 <joshua> apt-get source gnuboy-sdl
Dec 07 12:02:40 <joshua> that may or may not get you the source code on debian
Dec 07 12:02:43 <xxbones21xx_> type that into the terminal on my pc
Dec 07 12:03:00 <xxbones21xx_> i dont need it on the pre i need it on my desktop so i can view the files
Dec 07 12:03:36 <joshua> its the same version on the debian page, they just apply the patch so it builds and installs the debian way
Dec 07 12:03:51 <joshua> gnuboy_1.0.3.orig.tar.gz is the same as what you downloaded before
Dec 07 12:05:50 <joshua> looks like it installs the docs and examples with it http://packages.debian.org/etch/arm/gnuboy-sdl/filelist
Dec 07 12:06:04 <joshua> and theres a man file
Dec 07 12:06:30 <joshua> if you did this on the pre, it might have documentation: 'man sdlgnuboy'
Dec 07 12:06:39 <xxbones21xx_> ya i noticed its the same thing its just compiled to be used on debian, correct?
Dec 07 12:09:27 <joshua> Yeah, debian has a lot of rules about where files have to go and how they should be named etc.
Dec 07 12:10:36 <joshua> one of these days I'll set that up on my phone
Dec 07 12:27:02 <xxbones21xx_> could i write a script that would execute multiple commands
Dec 07 13:28:01 <xxbones21xx_> are you able to run script commands from the "root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root#"
Dec 07 13:28:23 <xxbones21xx_> this is the dir that you start in when you start the terminal service
Dec 07 13:39:01 <istojic> i've asked on #webos, but this may better belong to -internals... i'm working on both an emulator and real device... i'm doing some shake stuff with the accelerometer. is there some way to send fake/generated data to the emulator? such as injecting a GPS fix or something along those lines?
Dec 07 13:46:08 <xxbones21xx_> kool
Dec 07 13:46:38 <xxbones21xx_> i got the emulator to run and now im creating wuick scripts so i dont have to do so much typing to get them running
Dec 07 14:39:41 <mobgod> anyone get or hear any info on dataviz?
Dec 07 14:43:35 <mobgod> seems like they have the droid version out already what is the hold up on webos ?
Dec 07 14:56:46 <bpadalino|work> i doubt they're writing it in javascript .. so it may take some time .. feel free to write your own, though
Dec 07 14:57:01 <en0x> holy shit
Dec 07 14:57:09 <bpadalino|work> ?
Dec 07 14:57:11 <en0x> have you seen the game engine written in java
Dec 07 14:57:11 <en0x> ?
Dec 07 14:57:21 <bpadalino|work> game engine ?
Dec 07 14:57:30 <bpadalino|work> (sorry, i think that means no to your question)
Dec 07 14:57:31 <en0x> http://www.effectgames.com/effect/
Dec 07 14:57:34 <en0x> javascript
Dec 07 14:58:02 <bpadalino|work> ah neat
Dec 07 14:58:52 <en0x> this thing is sick ;)
Dec 07 14:59:34 <bpadalino|work> not too shabby
Dec 07 15:06:36 <mobgod> sup en0x
Dec 07 15:35:38 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: just got your email. Replied.
Dec 07 15:37:46 <The_Noah> waz up!
Dec 07 15:37:52 <egaudet_work> k
Dec 07 15:38:54 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=autopatch/mass_ver_bump.sh;h=b00d20b6236829de1ff7a63e6cef02c363596edb;hb=2f1d9810998a4948f7b283ba3da17d35ab00fc78
Dec 07 15:41:28 <egaudet_work> to make it more dynamic you can get all the versions into a variable and do for in
Dec 07 15:42:20 <egaudet_work> awk -F= '{print $2}' the VERSIONS I think
Dec 07 15:42:57 <dBsooner> print $2 only printed =
Dec 07 15:43:05 <dBsooner> $1 was VERSIONS
Dec 07 15:43:10 <dBsooner> $2 was =
Dec 07 15:43:50 <dBsooner> $3 was first version, $4 was second and so on
Dec 07 15:44:15 <egaudet_work> with the -F= ?
Dec 07 15:44:57 <egaudet_work> works on my linux distro
Dec 07 15:44:59 <egaudet_work> can't try it on pre
Dec 07 15:45:00 <dBsooner> i thought so
Dec 07 15:45:06 <dBsooner> let me try it now
Dec 07 15:47:30 <dBsooner> this is bad a$$: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofFtBSsHeN4
Dec 07 15:56:45 <xxbones21xx_> dBsooner: Do you have any clue why this script is messing up??? "http://paste.ubuntu.com/336619/plain/" I'm trying to run this command and after it runs the "./debian.sh" command it doesnt do anything else ???
Dec 07 16:06:23 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: that worked. While I am in here, should I check if SUB_VERSION = 99 and not bump it?
Dec 07 16:10:54 <rkguy> I just thought I'd say that this wIRC program is very slick. nicely done.
Dec 07 16:11:29 <dBsooner> Thank you. I will pass it on to oil, PuffTheMagic, egaudet and rwhitby.
Dec 07 16:11:41 <dBsooner> And anyone else that was involved in the programming that I missed. :)
Dec 07 16:12:32 <egaudet_work> dBsooner, yea I guess 99 has to become special
Dec 07 16:13:06 <dBsooner> yeah, I'll do a if [ "$SUB_VERSION" -neq 99 ] ; then
Dec 07 16:23:44 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: pushed
Dec 07 16:49:40 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: Do you think "- Tweaks sections uses much-improved WebOS-Internals patching feed support" and "- Support for future webOS versions" mean WQI is using the new changes Rod made?
Dec 07 16:49:55 <dBsooner> I also wonder what "much-improved" means..
Dec 07 16:58:03 <egaudet_work> what new changes Rod made?
Dec 07 16:58:56 <egaudet_work> I 'think' much-improved is the feeds separated by webos versions?
Dec 07 17:05:50 <oilsworkn> which is quite the improvement xD
Dec 07 17:06:33 <oilsworkn> dBsooner: re email thing
Dec 07 17:06:42 <oilsworkn> whats wrong with having errors output to strerr/etc?
Dec 07 17:06:55 <oilsworkn> i have no problem adding an email link to the ipkglog scene
Dec 07 17:07:00 <oilsworkn> (where such errors would be seen)
Dec 07 17:07:34 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: ^^ what do you think?
Dec 07 17:08:41 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: I don't see anything wrong with it. Eric should make that call. It was his brainchild to make the log.
Dec 07 17:08:47 <oilsworkn> yeah
Dec 07 17:08:55 <oilsworkn> is there a reason it can't do both?
Dec 07 17:09:04 <oilsworkn> stderr for ipkgservice to pick up
Dec 07 17:09:16 <oilsworkn> and the log for advanced "what did you do outside of preware" cases
Dec 07 17:09:27 <oilsworkn> where the user is mucking with things and should be able to get you the file
Dec 07 17:09:44 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: hmm.. to prevent the logging lines from doubling (in postinst) can you >> an output to two places in one line?
Dec 07 17:10:18 * oilsworkn doesn't know a whole lot about bash scripts
Dec 07 17:10:30 <oilsworkn> im ok with them, but nowhere near the level the patch stuff / postinst/prerem stuff is
Dec 07 17:11:31 <dBsooner> I'll look into that. Otherwise maybe the >> (THIS) can bet set to a variable.. where if IPKGService calls the postinst (THIS) is set to stderr otherwise set (THIS) to /var/log/webos-patches.log
Dec 07 17:12:39 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: How hard would it be to make a category 'hidden' in preware.. With an option to 'show hidden categories'?
Dec 07 17:12:56 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 17:13:02 <oilsworkn> how is it supposed to know its hidden?
Dec 07 17:13:14 <dBsooner> you specify it to be hidden
Dec 07 17:13:21 <dBsooner> you being, the programmer.
Dec 07 17:13:27 <oilsworkn> right
Dec 07 17:13:30 <oilsworkn> whats its purpose?
Dec 07 17:13:39 <dBsooner> patches feed.
Dec 07 17:13:57 <oilsworkn> i mean, why do we want/need to hide packages?
Dec 07 17:14:18 <dBsooner> There will be a "Unavailable" category.
Dec 07 17:14:36 <oilsworkn> if they're unavailable, why are they in the feed?
Dec 07 17:14:42 <dBsooner> No, they are availab.e
Dec 07 17:14:46 <dBsooner> let me explain it:
Dec 07 17:15:52 <dBsooner> Each new webOS version Feed will have Dummy packages built for all patches. these will be placed in the Unavailable category as package name <webOS-Version>-0_all.ipk.
Dec 07 17:16:22 <dBsooner> Then all patches that are ready and successfully ported to the new webOS version will have <webOS-Version>-1_all.ipk built
Dec 07 17:16:49 <dBsooner> So when i user "updates webOS" to the new version, they can go into preware and hit "Update feeds"
Dec 07 17:17:00 <dBsooner> ALL their instasll patches will show an "Upgrade" available.
Dec 07 17:17:39 <oilsworkn> uh, i don't think preware is even allowing patch "updates"
Dec 07 17:17:43 <dBsooner> IF the patch is currenlty "Not ported for the new webOS version" they will see the Dummy <webOS-Version>-0_all.ipk which is in the "Unavailable" category (which they won't really see the category.. they just ee the package).
Dec 07 17:17:56 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: sure it is.
Dec 07 17:18:04 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: I see updates to my patches all the time.
Dec 07 17:18:37 <oilsworkn> right, but you can't update it
Dec 07 17:18:42 <oilsworkn> you can remove and reinstall
Dec 07 17:19:07 <dBsooner> Finishing my explanation: If the Patch is currentrly "ported and ready" they will see the <weboOS-Version-1(+)_all.ipk
Dec 07 17:19:18 <dBsooner> yeah, I know.
Dec 07 17:19:23 <oilsworkn> no, i understand
Dec 07 17:19:53 <dBsooner> trhe package description of dummy says, "This patch is currently not available for your webOS version. Please remove it and wait for it to be ported."
Dec 07 17:20:05 <dBsooner> so the user will just hit "remove" at the bottom
Dec 07 17:20:07 <oilsworkn> is there not some other standard method for something like this?
Dec 07 17:20:12 <oilsworkn> beyond hiding stuff from the user
Dec 07 17:21:36 <dBsooner> I really don't know what it would be.
Dec 07 17:22:01 <oilsworkn> so lets say 1.3.5 implements one of the patches and its no longer needed
Dec 07 17:22:10 <oilsworkn> you're going to have a version-0 patch from then on?
Dec 07 17:22:29 <dBsooner> yep, I made that argument to Eric already.
Dec 07 17:22:44 <dBsooner> And no, it wouldn't.
Dec 07 17:22:52 <dBsooner> wait, yes it would.
Dec 07 17:22:57 <oilsworkn> right
Dec 07 17:23:03 <oilsworkn> seems like a perpetual problem..
Dec 07 17:23:06 <dBsooner> I said it shouldn't, he disagreed.
Dec 07 17:23:37 <oilsworkn> is the whole point of it to make sure there are no "unknown" packages that are patches because they're no longer in the feed?
Dec 07 17:23:43 <oilsworkn> is that all this is solving?
Dec 07 17:24:19 <dBsooner> the whole point is to keep users from seeing the "Unknown" patches and saying, "Hey! I want these! Why can't I have these??! Why won't these install?"
Dec 07 17:24:38 <oilsworkn> but if they're unknown, they're already installed
Dec 07 17:24:43 <oilsworkn> or else they would be non-existant
Dec 07 17:24:43 <dBsooner> and only webosVers-0_all.ipk's will be unknowns
Dec 07 17:25:02 <dBsooner> anything greater than 0 will be a vailid package.. anything = to 0 will be unavailable
Dec 07 17:25:28 <dBsooner> s/Unknown/Unavailable/ in my statement 2 back.
Dec 07 17:27:06 <oilsworkn> isn't the "fix unknowns" code we already added to preware (which loads the control files) already solving this "problem" users have?
Dec 07 17:29:44 <egaudet_work> The thing is to allow users to install a patch in 1.3.1, OTA to 1.3.5, and see that their patch is outdated/unavailble and remove it
Dec 07 17:30:13 <egaudet_work> Thus the only way they will see this after an OTA update is if we have that package in the 1.3.5 feed
Dec 07 17:30:26 <egaudet_work> regaring the ipkg log, stderr
Dec 07 17:30:42 <egaudet_work> some stuff still is echo'd to stdout as well as the log
Dec 07 17:30:50 <oilsworkn> brb... real work, few mins
Dec 07 17:30:51 <egaudet_work> and the log also contains more information like debugging and dry-run info
Dec 07 17:31:02 <egaudet_work> not "errors" but information that could help us see why weird situations occur
Dec 07 17:31:07 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: I think you are confusing "Unknown" for "Unavailable"
Dec 07 17:31:11 <dBsooner> these are two different things.
Dec 07 17:31:11 <egaudet_work> far too much info for ipkg log
Dec 07 17:31:15 <dBsooner> well, kind of.
Dec 07 17:33:07 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: yeah, I guess you're right about too much for IPKG Log. I said that last night. I felt all the stuff going into the .log would clutter IPKG Log. I think we'll just stick to the way we have it and in the rare (please?!?!) circumstance we need the .log, we can have the user copy to internal.
Dec 07 17:33:57 <oilsworkn> "ohh, its not working after hte power went out"
Dec 07 17:34:05 * oilsworkn is highly paid power-button-pusher
Dec 07 17:34:32 <ivanst> oilsworkn: what happens if you don't push the button?
Dec 07 17:34:40 <oilsworkn> it stays turned off
Dec 07 17:34:44 <oilsworkn> pushing hte button turns it on
Dec 07 17:34:49 <ivanst> is that bad?
Dec 07 17:34:54 <ivanst> i mean... do we want it on?
Dec 07 17:34:56 <oilsworkn> idk
Dec 07 17:35:00 <oilsworkn> now they have to do their job
Dec 07 17:35:09 <oilsworkn> before they were just standing around waiting for me to come push it
Dec 07 17:35:19 <ivanst> and they couldn't push it because...
Dec 07 17:35:19 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 17:35:21 <oilsworkn> anyways
Dec 07 17:35:33 <oilsworkn> nobody ever looks at the ipkglog unless there is an error
Dec 07 17:35:42 <oilsworkn> i don't think there is a problem with putting whatever in there for email
Dec 07 17:35:52 <dBsooner> heh.. even if there IS an error, they still don't look.
Dec 07 17:35:54 <dBsooner> just sayin.
Dec 07 17:36:02 <oilsworkn> your comment about letting the user see it as outdated or unavailable
Dec 07 17:36:06 <oilsworkn> if you do that, and i "hide" it like you want
Dec 07 17:36:14 <oilsworkn> they WOULDN'T see that its unavailable
Dec 07 17:36:20 <oilsworkn> unless they turned it on to see them
Dec 07 17:36:23 <oilsworkn> which the user wont ever do
Dec 07 17:36:31 <dBsooner> no, just hide it from being browsed to
Dec 07 17:36:41 <dBsooner> but allow it to be seen as a valid "updates" category
Dec 07 17:36:43 <ivanst> i have a semi serious question... i got my Pre like four days ago and I've been developing for the last two... is anyone here using any (and if, which) Facebook applications on their Pre? And what would be your major issues with those apps?
Dec 07 17:37:30 * oilsworkn doesn't have a facebook account
Dec 07 17:37:38 * oilsworkn is in the 1% in the world that doesnt
Dec 07 17:38:25 <ivanst> i mean, most of them are... okay. sortof. but all are broken in subtle ways...
Dec 07 17:38:37 <ivanst> or not free / not intending to be free...
Dec 07 17:38:41 <oilsworkn> so you're making the facebook app of all facebook apps?
Dec 07 17:38:47 <oilsworkn> one app to rule them all?
Dec 07 17:38:50 <ivanst> i should hope so
Dec 07 17:38:54 <ivanst> i mean... i admit
Dec 07 17:38:59 <ivanst> i'm a FB addict
Dec 07 17:39:28 <oilsworkn> which makes you uniquely qualified to create a good fb app
Dec 07 17:40:24 <ivanst> well, that and about 13 years of commercial software development. and two days of digging through the Mojo API docs :-p
Dec 07 17:40:44 <oilsworkn> the docs are sometimes broken (as im sure you've found)
Dec 07 17:41:06 <ivanst> NEVER! that cannot be!
Dec 07 17:41:16 <Templarian> They are I never noticed.
Dec 07 17:41:27 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 17:41:32 <ivanst> for me it was quite simple. two days, two blog posts about pitfalls and stuff not mentioned in the docs... not so bad, really
Dec 07 17:41:57 <ivanst> (also, i'm a Mac-fag) what amazes me is how open the Pre environment is
Dec 07 17:42:17 <ivanst> it feels as if Palm stuck a glowing "developers, tinkerers and hackers - welcome home!"
Dec 07 17:42:27 <Templarian> They need to open a bug tracker badly to the public I can't understand their logic behind not having one.
Dec 07 17:42:54 <oilsworkn> well you can post bugs in their forums and never get a response
Dec 07 17:42:56 <oilsworkn> until you email them
Dec 07 17:42:57 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 17:43:11 <ivanst> honestly, webOS feels like a work in progress to me - but i just love the way it tastes right now. i'm positively hooked.
Dec 07 17:43:23 <tmzt> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/p68eIIbJe7Q/Palm-Sued-Over-Palm-Pre-GPL-Violation
Dec 07 17:43:27 <tmzt> maybe just the plugin part?
Dec 07 17:43:39 <oilsworkn> well welcome to the club ivanst
Dec 07 17:43:42 <tmzt> or are npplugins in closed browsers illegal now?
Dec 07 17:44:07 <oilsworkn> tmzt: i think its just because they didn't post the plugins source
Dec 07 17:44:08 <ivanst> anyway, if anyone ever feels that they can comment about existing FB apps, and their issues, i'm all ears. i'd like this to be as user friendly and feature-complete as possible!
Dec 07 17:44:31 <Marajin> Well!
Dec 07 17:44:32 <tmzt> oilsworkn: which is what I'm saying, the blurb says 'entire app' though
Dec 07 17:44:35 <egaudet_work> oil, the log is to see all the history of what has happened.  Not just the immediate presenting error ("oh look can't apply to this file" tells us nothing anyway)
Dec 07 17:44:39 <Marajin> friendflow is a pretty much waste of time IMO :p
Dec 07 17:44:56 <tmzt> what is that?
Dec 07 17:44:56 <oilsworkn> egaudet_work: no, i understand the reason for the log
Dec 07 17:44:57 <Marajin> it doesn't look good nor really offer you anything that wasn't achieveable by just using the webbrowser
Dec 07 17:45:13 <Marajin> tmzt: what, friendflow?
Dec 07 17:45:22 <Marajin> tmzt: facebook client for the pre/webOS
Dec 07 17:45:41 <dBsooner> tmzt: Jason was in here asking about it the other day.. before he wrote that.. It has something to do with the PDF Plugin's GPL.. The entire part of the system that uses the plugin must be open source, OR Palm would have had to of bought a commercial license from the PDF plugin.
Dec 07 17:46:06 <tmzt> public api? open?
Dec 07 17:46:07 <oilsworkn> right, im sure they'll just post hte source
Dec 07 17:46:11 <tmzt> if so I'd love to see it
Dec 07 17:46:14 <oilsworkn> its probably just an oversight
Dec 07 17:47:02 <dBsooner> I think to comply they just have to post the source to the PDF Viewer (Palm's source side) or buy a license.
Dec 07 17:47:25 <oilsworkn> and posting hte source for the mojo app and the browser plugin is the easiest
Dec 07 17:47:36 <oilsworkn> its not like we haven't already figured out browser plugins for the pre
Dec 07 17:47:47 <oilsworkn> and by we, i mean, other people in webos-internals xD
Dec 07 17:47:47 <ivanst> Marajin: friendflow is (as far as i noticed) less feature-complete than the mobile facebook web. but i like that it's sortof streamlined in an app way, plus it dings for notifications and so on...
Dec 07 17:48:02 <tmzt> dBsooner: please read what I said, this is central to the limits of the GPL, but there's a historical tradition of plugins in closed browsers with a very similar api to the Palm one and things like liveconnect and activex scripting
Dec 07 17:48:36 <tmzt> oilsworkn: also quite true
Dec 07 17:50:04 <raydivens> hello. is anyone home?
Dec 07 17:50:12 <oilsworkn> no
Dec 07 17:50:20 <ivanst> Marajin: my first two goals would be to make this thing that i'm writing feature complete. i particularly want to focus on integrating FB notification api with dashboard panels in webOS...
Dec 07 17:50:32 <raydivens> nobody is home huh?
Dec 07 17:50:55 <oilsworkn> raydivens: it was a joke
Dec 07 17:51:01 <oilsworkn> ask your question
Dec 07 17:51:06 <ivanst> i'm at the office... so i'm not home :-p
Dec 07 17:51:22 * oilsworkn is also at work, hence nick
Dec 07 17:51:51 <ivanst> oilsworkn: don't forget to push the button regularly
Dec 07 17:52:39 <raydivens> didn't really have a question...  more to the point I just wanted to say thanks.  most of the problems I run into, I just ask jason and he sorts out for me.  but wanted to say thanks to #webos-internals
Dec 07 17:52:50 <oilsworkn> brb, more real work
Dec 07 17:55:36 <raydivens> I am loving precorder
Dec 07 17:56:54 <Templarian> Did he add a preview yet?
Dec 07 17:56:56 <Mousey> it's win
Dec 07 17:58:38 <raydivens> it's still a tad difficult to use with no view finder, but it will suffice until palm gets off their collective butts.
Dec 07 17:59:19 <Kaerey> Anyone familiar with JSON (I have a non-webos related question).
Dec 07 17:59:51 <Templarian> No, no one here is familure with JSON. Sorry Kaerey.
Dec 07 18:00:35 <oilsworkn> Templarian = big meanie
Dec 07 18:00:41 <Templarian> :P
Dec 07 18:00:43 <Kaerey> LOL.
Dec 07 18:00:52 <oilsworkn> wait
Dec 07 18:01:04 <oilsworkn> {"Templarian":"big meanie"}
Dec 07 18:01:07 <oilsworkn> now its propper json
Dec 07 18:01:15 <Kaerey> Ok now a WebOS question, why haven't I gotten off my ass and upgraded My Notification to include ringtone downloading.
Dec 07 18:02:21 <oilsworkn> uh, i dont know?
Dec 07 18:02:30 <raydivens> so, are there any other developers who do not have a pre yet?
Dec 07 18:02:40 <Templarian> oilsworkn: I tend to think I have a bit more to me than a single value {"Templarian":{"status":"being a big meanie"}}
Dec 07 18:03:02 <oilsworkn> no, you're just a big meanie, and thats it
Dec 07 18:03:04 <Templarian> raydivens: nope, you are the only one left.
Dec 07 18:03:23 <Templarian> Guess you are right oilsworkn
Dec 07 18:03:38 <Kaerey> I'm just glad that I actually understand that string now. But I still can't do what I need done.
Dec 07 18:03:52 <oilsworkn> infobot, templarian is big meanie
Dec 07 18:04:10 <oilsworkn> ohh, infobot is MIA again
Dec 07 18:04:11 <Templarian> Kaerey: all json is is a JS object that you set to a variable when loaded in.
Dec 07 18:04:28 <raydivens>  I firstly, am not a developer.  I am on my pre right now.  but as sprint is being kind enough to grant me two pixi's, I will have a pre available.
Dec 07 18:04:34 <ivanst> something has been bugging me... how much memory should i see under device info "available" after a full wipe?
Dec 07 18:04:59 <raydivens> 7.2 GB
Dec 07 18:05:47 <ivanst> i'll have to wipe the fscking thing again...
Dec 07 18:06:03 <Templarian> ivanst: just out of curiousity how much do you see?
Dec 07 18:06:28 <raydivens> why do you need to wipe
Dec 07 18:06:36 <ivanst> i want to verify the memory thing...
Dec 07 18:06:58 <ivanst> well, i got it like four days ago, but i'm pretty sure that i saw around 6 when i first booted it. i've been fiddling with the device info and was shocked by the total 8gb vs 6gb available difference
Dec 07 18:07:12 <ivanst> i might wipe it for giggles just to see if i'm insane...
Dec 07 18:07:34 <ivanst> either that, or i'll just ssh over to see what's eating up most space
Dec 07 18:08:02 <raydivens>  I am on my 7th pre, have done countless wipes, always 7.2 GB
Dec 07 18:08:20 <ivanst> i don't even want to know why you are on your 7th pre...
Dec 07 18:08:50 <oilsworkn> ivanst: part of the 8gb is used by the os
Dec 07 18:08:55 <raydivens> shitty quality control.  all build defects
Dec 07 18:09:15 * oilsworkn thinks raydivens just has really bad luck
Dec 07 18:09:17 <ivanst> oilsworkn: i know that, but there's a marked difference between 6 and 7.2 which most people seem to be reporting
Dec 07 18:09:24 <oilsworkn> yeah
Dec 07 18:09:29 <oilsworkn> my pre from launch is perfect
Dec 07 18:09:33 <ivanst> hell, when i bought my 17" g4 powerbook i had 4 replacements :-(
Dec 07 18:09:35 <raydivens> early adopter, June 11
Dec 07 18:09:46 <oilsworkn> hell, i even accidentally dropped it down a flight of cement steps
Dec 07 18:09:56 <oilsworkn> only a few little nicks around the edges, still goin strong
Dec 07 18:10:13 <ivanst> i'd have jumped on the pre thing earlier, but i'm in backwoods of sortof-europe
Dec 07 18:10:19 <Templarian> I've dropped mine a few times but yea the replacement I got the day after launch is good.
Dec 07 18:11:09 <raydivens> 3 bad oreos, 2 stuck in headphone mode and 1 that powered off when I moved the slider
Dec 07 18:11:44 <Templarian> raydivens: the headphone thing is an easy fix.
Dec 07 18:11:45 <oilsworkn> headphone thing is easily fixable, plug and unplug your headphones, whala
Dec 07 18:11:50 <oilsworkn> so is the slider power
Dec 07 18:11:58 <Templarian> I was the first one to write a fix for it.
Dec 07 18:12:05 <oilsworkn> i suck a little slip of paper in there, mcgyver style
Dec 07 18:12:36 <raydivens> yeah, those fixes were tried
Dec 07 18:13:16 <raydivens> except the paper.  by that point I was disgusted
Dec 07 18:13:39 <raydivens> this ones been cherry since sept tho
Dec 07 18:13:43 <Templarian> Yea my frist one I returned because of the oreo thing.
Dec 07 18:15:05 <raydivens> I forgot, the very first one had something stuck behind the screen, dead center
Dec 07 18:15:27 <raydivens> about 1/4" x 1/4"
Dec 07 18:15:37 <Templarian> My friend dropped his pre the other day only got it like 2 weeks ago. Lost the capacitive screen's touch input.
Dec 07 18:16:02 <ivanst> hm... i love how lots of webOS apps love sashes in the top-right corner with "Beta" and stuff written on them...
Dec 07 18:16:11 <ivanst> mine has a sash that says "CRAP!"
Dec 07 18:19:12 <raydivens> is at the doctors again.  thanks everyone and jumps off a cliff....
Dec 07 18:23:36 <Kaerey> @ivanst I love the sash in My Notification with the Construction tape lol
Dec 07 18:26:26 <ivanst> okay... i have the GUI basically working. time to look into how actually hook this shit up with FB
Dec 07 18:27:30 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 18:28:47 <ivanst> meh. i need coffee, i'm starting to make typos. but i'll use the fact that i'm learning dvorak keyboard as an excuse...
Dec 07 18:29:09 <oilsworkn> why on earth would you want to do that
Dec 07 18:29:35 <gkatsev> oilsworkn: you can technically type faster on dvorak than on qwerty.
Dec 07 18:29:45 <oilsworkn> do you use dvorak?
Dec 07 18:30:02 <gkatsev> no. too much of a hassel, plus, itll mess up vim.
Dec 07 18:30:08 <oilsworkn> case in point
Dec 07 18:30:44 <oilsworkn> if i was going to learn a new keyboard layout
Dec 07 18:30:50 <oilsworkn> it would one of those funky one-handed jobs
Dec 07 18:30:51 <gkatsev> i think that qwerty limits the wpm to like 200 or w/e while dvorak theoretically has no wpm limit.
Dec 07 18:30:53 <oilsworkn> so i can use the mouse and the kb at hte same time
Dec 07 18:31:29 <gkatsev> oilsworkn: i believe there is this split keyboard where the right half is also a mouse
Dec 07 18:32:03 <oilsworkn> what layout do stenographers use?
Dec 07 18:32:33 <Kaerey> Best Keyboards ever! http://tinyurl.com/yl7tcsw
Dec 07 18:33:08 <oilsworkn> that looks super confusing
Dec 07 18:33:26 <ivanst> oilsworkn: are you on linux by any chance?
Dec 07 18:33:27 <gkatsev> the vertical keyboard is supposed to be most ergo
Dec 07 18:33:45 <oilsworkn> no
Dec 07 18:34:09 <ivanst> ah... for linux people, i have an implementation of the "famous" matias 508 keyboard as an userspace app...
Dec 07 18:34:24 <ivanst> it mirrors left/right halves of the keyboard over when you hold down space
Dec 07 18:34:41 <ivanst> i've been meaning to port it to OSX and winblows but just didn't find the time...
Dec 07 18:34:47 <oilsworkn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype just blew my mind
Dec 07 18:35:17 <ivanst> btw, i can get around 100WPM on qwerty, and i hope i'll get 120WPM with dvorak and some training...
Dec 07 18:35:42 <oilsworkn> those extra 20 wpm are all worth it?
Dec 07 18:36:06 <ivanst> plus the coolness factor of being able to out-type people on layouts that they've never even heard of.
Dec 07 18:36:09 <ivanst> seriously though...
Dec 07 18:36:43 <ivanst> i kind of like dvorak already, even though i'm not in any way fast with it yet. there's a great rhythm of left hand - right hand going on, it feels very comfy
Dec 07 18:37:01 <ivanst> and *definitely* less finger travel
Dec 07 18:37:16 <oilsworkn> i never look at my keyboard and think "why wont you let me type faster?"
Dec 07 18:37:28 <gkatsev> oilsworkn: as i said. dvorak theoreticlaly has no wpm limit. (limit by physical speed of the user) while qwerty has limits because of the letter placements
Dec 07 18:37:44 <oilsworkn> well, i never really learned how to type
Dec 07 18:37:51 <egaudet_work> just because you learned an inefficient method oilsworkn
Dec 07 18:37:52 <oilsworkn> its all muscle memory
Dec 07 18:37:55 <oilsworkn> no homerow crap
Dec 07 18:38:22 <ivanst> i'll excuse myself for a bit now... time for my evening coffee and some Halo...
Dec 07 18:38:25 <egaudet_work> "homerow crap"
Dec 07 18:38:48 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 18:38:50 <oilsworkn> ivanst: get shadowrun
Dec 07 18:39:15 <egaudet_work> shadowrun probably one of the greatest games ever made!  too bad no one plays it
Dec 07 18:39:22 <gkatsev> marathon?
Dec 07 18:39:27 <oilsworkn> not that i don't like halo, but shadowrun IS the best fps ever made
Dec 07 18:39:41 <oilsworkn> i mean, i ran/run a halo website for almost 6 years now
Dec 07 18:39:48 <oilsworkn> but i play shadowrun much much more
Dec 07 18:40:14 <egaudet_work> oil who do you play with
Dec 07 18:40:18 <egaudet_work> there's like 5 people on it
Dec 07 18:40:25 <egaudet_work> lol
Dec 07 18:40:29 <oilsworkn> there is a lot more then that
Dec 07 18:40:34 <oilsworkn> granted, you see a lot of the same people
Dec 07 18:41:01 <oilsworkn> but i never find myself waiting for people so we can create a game
Dec 07 18:41:35 <oilsworkn> egaudet_work: if you've got shadow, send me a FR @ "oi1"
Dec 07 18:41:40 <egaudet_work> its too bad that game never picked up on the competitive scene
Dec 07 18:41:43 <gkatsev> oilsworkn: this?
Dec 07 18:41:47 <gkatsev> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowrun_(2007_video_game)
Dec 07 18:42:07 <egaudet_work> I'll FR ya, I haven't played shadowrun in like 2 years though
Dec 07 18:42:16 <oilsworkn> yes, that
Dec 07 18:42:47 * gkatsev dls
Dec 07 18:42:54 <egaudet_work> i'll probably get out-rifled by everyone
Dec 07 18:43:00 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 18:43:18 <dBsooner> it would take me soo long to convert from qwerty to dvorak
Dec 07 18:43:23 <dBsooner> I have been typing for like 25 years
Dec 07 18:43:33 <dBsooner> using "home row"
Dec 07 18:43:37 <egaudet_work> you'd be suprised how fast the brain can adapt
Dec 07 18:44:19 <dBsooner> the only downside would be having to keep switching between the two
Dec 07 18:44:35 <dBsooner> because I am a computer tech... so I work on normal computers too
Dec 07 18:44:36 <gkatsev> dBsooner: no imagine a home row that contains the 10 most used letters in the alphabet
Dec 07 18:44:42 <dBsooner> s/normal/qwerty/
Dec 07 18:45:02 <dBsooner> infobot?
Dec 07 18:45:19 <gkatsev> infobot is dead. tim was having troubles with it or something
Dec 07 18:45:26 <gkatsev> he'll bring it up eventually.
Dec 07 18:45:37 <dBsooner> ye3ah, I could spell shit without having to leave the homerow. :D
Dec 07 18:46:45 <oilsworkn> are s h i and t in the "home row" of dvorak?
Dec 07 18:46:54 <dBsooner> yes
Dec 07 18:46:55 <oilsworkn> if so, im totally switching
Dec 07 18:47:02 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 18:47:16 <gkatsev> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg
Dec 07 18:47:32 <loot-> anyone gotten their hands on a pixi yet?
Dec 07 18:47:34 <dBsooner> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg
Dec 07 18:47:35 <gkatsev> aoeuidhtns-
Dec 07 18:47:53 <gkatsev> dBsooner: beat you to it :P
Dec 07 18:48:13 <dBsooner> aye.. but mine is directly to the svg, not the page
Dec 07 18:48:14 <dBsooner> ;)
Dec 07 18:48:23 <gkatsev> yeah, but the direct SVG is tiny
Dec 07 18:48:27 <dBsooner> < WINNER!
Dec 07 18:48:37 <dBsooner> not on my screen.. its HUGE
Dec 07 18:48:44 <dBsooner> i could type on the screen. :D
Dec 07 18:48:49 <gkatsev> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg/1000px-KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg.png
Dec 07 18:48:50 <oilsworkn> well, i clicked gkatsevs link
Dec 07 18:48:55 <oilsworkn> then dBsooners
Dec 07 18:49:02 <gkatsev> ha, i win!
Dec 07 18:49:13 <oilsworkn> and this webchat thing only uses one tag for all links clicked
Dec 07 18:49:17 <dBsooner> boo
Dec 07 18:49:25 <dBsooner> ha! I WIN
Dec 07 18:49:57 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 18:50:27 <gkatsev> where the damn infobot when you need ~lart? lol
Dec 07 18:50:33 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: i need to have a fully operational freeTether by Dec 30th.
Dec 07 18:50:45 * gkatsev keeps sending dBsooner free AOL CDs until he drownes
Dec 07 18:50:55 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: define "fully operational"
Dec 07 18:51:01 * oilsworkn <3s how tethering is always in demand
Dec 07 18:51:13 <oilsworkn> everyone usually needs it yesterday
Dec 07 18:51:21 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: Works all the time? Like it should?
Dec 07 18:51:26 <oilsworkn> and besides, aren't you on sprint dbsooner?
Dec 07 18:51:32 <oilsworkn> isn't tethering against your contract?
Dec 07 18:51:33 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: I never could get USB to work on my win7 64bit
Dec 07 18:51:40 <oilsworkn> should you be talking about it in here?
Dec 07 18:51:43 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: I pay the $15/mo for PAM
Dec 07 18:51:52 <oilsworkn> ok then, carry on
Dec 07 18:51:53 <dBsooner> I'll show you my bill if you want...
Dec 07 18:51:56 <dBsooner> :D
Dec 07 18:52:19 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: we can talk about it cause its not really Tethering
Dec 07 18:52:26 <dBsooner> They dropped it to $15/mo a while back.. used to be 45/mo
Dec 07 18:53:20 <oilsworkn> how fast do you use your "unlimited" 5gb?
Dec 07 18:53:34 <dBsooner> "off the record"?
Dec 07 18:53:51 <dBsooner> I don't do a lot of donwloading when I tether.. so I usually don't use it up.
Dec 07 18:54:09 <oilsworkn> what do you tether for?
Dec 07 18:54:17 <oilsworkn> browsing?
Dec 07 18:54:29 <dBsooner> It's just for when I travel.. Like on the 30th, I have a 12-14 hour drive to El Paso, TX for the Sun Bowl.
Dec 07 18:54:43 <dBsooner> Emergencies usually.. I have servers that I administer.
Dec 07 18:54:52 <oilsworkn> ah
Dec 07 18:54:55 <oilsworkn> ssh/etc
Dec 07 18:54:57 <dBsooner> I need to be able to RDP at all times.
Dec 07 18:55:01 <dBsooner> ssh I can do from the pre..
Dec 07 18:55:05 <dBsooner> slow, but it can be done.
Dec 07 18:55:07 <oilsworkn> right
Dec 07 18:55:09 <loot-> before the pre came out
Dec 07 18:55:15 <loot-> i bought a dell laptop with a sprint CDMA built in
Dec 07 18:55:16 <dBsooner> I had a WinMo phone
Dec 07 18:55:18 <oilsworkn> and typing commands on the pre is less then great
Dec 07 18:55:22 <gkatsev> a wifi tether mostly working for the 22nd would be great for me :)
Dec 07 18:55:29 <DrFunk> is there a way to rename pics ?
Dec 07 18:55:39 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: Doing much of anything in terminal on Pre is less than great.
Dec 07 18:55:43 * oilsworkn NEEDS tethering by the 20th
Dec 07 18:55:45 <dBsooner> but it is great for those needs.
Dec 07 18:55:46 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 18:55:49 * oilsworkn is joking
Dec 07 18:55:56 <oilsworkn> know what hte pre is great for?
Dec 07 18:55:58 <oilsworkn> wIRC
Dec 07 18:55:59 <oilsworkn> xD
Dec 07 18:56:02 <dBsooner> tht it is
Dec 07 18:56:13 <jauderho> dBsooner: you called earlier?
Dec 07 18:56:16 * oilsworkn still needs to install new version so he can test it for PuffTheMagic
Dec 07 18:56:34 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: of wIRC?
Dec 07 18:56:35 * oilsworkn WILL do it during lunch / or this evening
Dec 07 18:56:40 <dBsooner> jauderho: I was b!tchin at you for pushing those "harmful" patches to the mods repo. ;)
Dec 07 18:56:40 <gkatsev> DrFunk: 1) there is a patch that changes the name to something better when it saves. 2) you can probably use internalz for that (not sure) 3) you can use the cli in terminal app to do it.
Dec 07 18:56:48 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: no rush... its only been like 3 weeks
Dec 07 18:56:50 <jauderho> heh.
Dec 07 18:56:54 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 18:57:10 <oilsworkn> well we should really push the update
Dec 07 18:57:16 <jauderho> actually, I spoke to the chap responsible for linux omap at TI and he has some interesting comments
Dec 07 18:57:22 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: well actually
Dec 07 18:57:30 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: i need to do soemthing about the lag meter
Dec 07 18:57:31 <dBsooner> gkatsev, DrFunk: 4) You can plug it into your computer and choose "USB DRIVE" and rename from computer.
Dec 07 18:57:36 <PuffTheMagic> cause its a waste
Dec 07 18:57:46 <PuffTheMagic> make the phone hot
Dec 07 18:57:48 <jauderho> stability is somewhat of an issue but more importantly it was the people that did not know what they were getting into.
Dec 07 18:57:52 <PuffTheMagic> and seems to drain mo power
Dec 07 18:57:55 <oilsworkn> yeah
Dec 07 18:58:01 <oilsworkn> how about an option to just turn it off?
Dec 07 18:58:08 <PuffTheMagic> i mean a periodic ping is needed
Dec 07 18:58:10 <oilsworkn> with default to off
Dec 07 18:58:12 <dBsooner> jauderho: really? That's interesting... What else?
Dec 07 18:58:15 <PuffTheMagic> but not as often as it is doing
Dec 07 18:58:29 <jauderho> dBsooner: his statement is that 600mhz will not harm the pre
Dec 07 18:58:34 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: well there are a lot of things on my todo list before a release
Dec 07 18:58:39 <DrFunk> so dBsooner usb is my best option ?
Dec 07 18:58:47 <oilsworkn> well, if i don't pass out when i get home
Dec 07 18:58:52 <gkatsev> DrFunk: theoretically, easiest.
Dec 07 18:58:53 <oilsworkn> (due to only 2 hours of sleep)
Dec 07 18:58:57 <dBsooner> jauderho: Even on the early-release Pre's with the different (older) chip in them?
Dec 07 18:59:01 <oilsworkn> ill do hte multi-page prefs
Dec 07 18:59:06 <jauderho> the problems plaguing the beagle boards (which was the source of the FUD on 6 months lifespan) do not necessarily apply to the pre
Dec 07 18:59:12 <jauderho> dBsooner: yes
Dec 07 18:59:15 <DrFunk> thanks gkatsev
Dec 07 18:59:25 <gkatsev> DrFunk: np.
Dec 07 18:59:31 <jauderho> there are variations in quality of the chip on the pre.
Dec 07 18:59:41 <dBsooner> DrFunk:  gkatsev has steered you correcftly. thank you.
Dec 07 18:59:44 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: different older chip?
Dec 07 19:00:04 <jauderho> but the lifespan thing should not affect the pre as long as you use the pre like a phone and not for running distributed.net 24x7
Dec 07 19:00:09 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: ^^ (12:59:31 PM) jauderho: there are variations in quality of the chip on the pre.
Dec 07 19:00:12 <gkatsev> dBsooner: thanks for your approval, lol
Dec 07 19:00:31 <dBsooner> gkatsev: well he asked me and I didn't reply. Id idn't want "ignore" the chap.
Dec 07 19:00:34 <jauderho> dBsooner: but the variations statement apply to pretty much all chips
Dec 07 19:00:40 <DrFunk> thanks also dBsooner
Dec 07 19:00:56 <dBsooner> jauderho: I thought the first run of production had a chip that didn't handle 600MHz
Dec 07 19:01:14 <dBsooner> which is why palm throttled it down to 500
Dec 07 19:01:17 <gkatsev> dBsooner: lol.
Dec 07 19:01:32 <jauderho> the same chap over at TI also states that he has patches that have cpu-scaling and smartreflex playing nice together.
Dec 07 19:02:04 <dBsooner> jauderho: Is it still a YMMV scenario?
Dec 07 19:02:17 <jauderho> those are held off for a later release (maybe) but that will have to be up to palm. there's a lot of work that goes into QA'ing a kernel for mass market release
Dec 07 19:02:22 <jauderho> so I understand.
Dec 07 19:02:57 <jauderho> dBsooner: for now yes, in part because the cpu-scaling/smartreflex support currently in the kernel is not 100% correct.
Dec 07 19:03:24 <jauderho> that said, since 1.3.1 I've been getting lots of random reboots running at plain ole 500mhz
Dec 07 19:03:38 <egaudet_work> hey PuffTheMagic, how about instead of the ping used forlag meter we use it for "hand warmer" mode :P
Dec 07 19:03:44 <jauderho> i've been wondering if the OOM killer is somehow kicking in and reboot things...
Dec 07 19:03:50 <jauderho> s/reboot/rebooting/
Dec 07 19:04:36 <dBsooner> i bet there is going to be some garbage collecting enhancements to 1.3.5.. at least I hope there will be.
Dec 07 19:05:03 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: I could really use that mode today.. damn cold here.
Dec 07 19:06:04 * jauderho looks around for a palm employee. I have a question.
Dec 07 19:06:32 <jauderho> I'm curious as to why there is a sysctl binary included on the pre but no sysctl.conf
Dec 07 19:06:58 <oilsworkn> just to confuse you?
Dec 07 19:07:32 <jauderho> oilsworkn: thanks =P
Dec 07 19:07:49 <jauderho> guess I could create a patch to make one to read during startup.
Dec 07 19:07:54 <natenrb9> +1 to get this patch to work with 1.3.1!! - http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Messaging_Jump_Forward%2C_Backward_One_Word_at_a_Time
Dec 07 19:07:58 <natenrb9> love this patch
Dec 07 19:08:26 <jauderho> natenrb9: I don't take +1s but I take $$$ =)
Dec 07 19:08:33 <natenrb9> lol
Dec 07 19:08:38 <natenrb9> is that your patch?
Dec 07 19:08:57 <jauderho> no
Dec 07 19:09:14 <jauderho> but $$$ makes me look at patches I dont care about. lol
Dec 07 19:09:53 <natenrb9> lol
Dec 07 19:10:14 <natenrb9> Everyone should care about that patch, its very useful
Dec 07 19:10:36 * oilsworkn sends a text maybe once or twice a week?
Dec 07 19:10:52 <jauderho> dBsooner: just so you know, I did add a couple more patches to the dangerous/ category but obviously those should not be available on the feed.
Dec 07 19:10:54 <oilsworkn> usually if someone texts me, i call them back
Dec 07 19:11:12 <jauderho> i'm old, i hardly get any texts
Dec 07 19:11:40 <natenrb9> oilsworkn: lol, well…maybe that patch isn't too useful for you then…but I believe the patch had worked in other text areas as well
Dec 07 19:11:58 <jauderho> so not a big deal to me. now if oil or someone else wants to work on a patch to take timelapse pictures. *I* would be interested
Dec 07 19:12:07 <oilsworkn> LOL
Dec 07 19:12:31 <jauderho> oil is the js ninja. me, not so much.
Dec 07 19:12:36 <oilsworkn> a patch to do that wouldn't take long at all
Dec 07 19:12:49 <oilsworkn> though, i've yet to actually create a patch for anything...
Dec 07 19:13:07 <jauderho> oilsworkn: +1 for you ! =)
Dec 07 19:13:33 <jauderho> I talked palm into adding autoDelay and autoCount functions so it probably wont take you too long
Dec 07 19:13:34 <oilsworkn> i really wanted to create a patch to make the clock app go right to alarms scene
Dec 07 19:14:23 <natenrb9> autoDelay function that can be used with any function? or is it just in the camera api?
Dec 07 19:14:29 <oilsworkn> but someone did it before my procrastination / need equation balanced out
Dec 07 19:15:18 <gkatsev> i dont like talking ont he phone.
Dec 07 19:15:37 <jauderho> natenrb9: just for the camera
Dec 07 19:15:49 <natenrb9> oh...
Dec 07 19:16:00 <jauderho> natenrb9: I just looked in the git repo and the patch you wanted is there.
Dec 07 19:16:18 <jauderho> however there is no license file and you then need to beg dBsooner to package it up for 1.3.1
Dec 07 19:16:30 <oilsworkn> jauderho: i know, someone made it
Dec 07 19:16:36 <oilsworkn> its in 1.3.1
Dec 07 19:16:38 <oilsworkn> im using it right now
Dec 07 19:18:04 <egaudet_work> palm support chat is really getting on my nerves now
Dec 07 19:19:22 <oilsworkn> support chat?
Dec 07 19:20:21 <oilsworkn> so they finally turned on the heater here at work
Dec 07 19:20:27 <oilsworkn> and it smells like its on fire
Dec 07 19:20:28 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 19:21:22 <egaudet_work> yea support chat
Dec 07 19:21:29 <egaudet_work> to get my old cloud backups
Dec 07 19:21:47 <egaudet_work> I need to get higher from this level 1 basic questions that I answer 1000 times
Dec 07 19:22:09 <egaudet_work> is it so hard to just revert my data back to 12/3?
Dec 07 19:22:10 <oilsworkn> i think you need to make a phone call, and not use the robochat
Dec 07 19:22:16 <egaudet_work> $15 phone call no thanks
Dec 07 19:22:22 <oilsworkn> really?
Dec 07 19:22:23 <oilsworkn> thats a rip
Dec 07 19:22:23 <egaudet_work> yea
Dec 07 19:22:26 <egaudet_work> i know
Dec 07 19:22:34 <oilsworkn> what about sprint store
Dec 07 19:22:39 <oilsworkn> have THEM call
Dec 07 19:22:47 <egaudet_work> this support chat guy asks me to try universal search for a "known contact" when I tell him i have NO contacts
Dec 07 19:22:56 <egaudet_work> and then I do it just for giggles and he tells me to search for a different known contact
Dec 07 19:23:02 <egaudet_work> I'm going to chuck my Pre accross the rooM!
Dec 07 19:23:31 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 19:23:37 <oilsworkn> ask him if hes a robot
Dec 07 19:23:52 <mobgod> oilsworkn i think u will like this
Dec 07 19:23:54 <mobgod> http://tinyurl.com/ydu6jxt
Dec 07 19:24:15 <oilsworkn> it has audio?
Dec 07 19:24:19 * oilsworkn has no speakers at work
Dec 07 19:24:27 * oilsworkn doesn't watch it
Dec 07 19:24:42 <mobgod> yes it does
Dec 07 19:24:44 <mobgod> owell
Dec 07 19:25:02 <mobgod> my boss sent it to me
Dec 07 19:35:06 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: they are in india.. it's all scripted.
Dec 07 19:35:31 <oilsworkn> ROBOTS
Dec 07 19:36:09 <egaudet_work> i know
Dec 07 19:36:11 <dBsooner> "the screen is blank, no light at all to it".. "OK, I want you to search for a contact".. "I CAN"T SEE ANYTHING.."
Dec 07 19:36:22 <gkatsev> ~botsnack
Dec 07 19:36:23 <infobot> gkatsev: thanks
Dec 07 19:36:23 <egaudet_work> lol
Dec 07 19:37:10 <oilsworkn> welcome back infobot
Dec 07 19:37:34 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: How many times have they "Checked with their supervisor"?
Dec 07 19:39:24 <egaudet_work> none yet
Dec 07 19:39:41 <egaudet_work> they just keep teasing with "maybe we'll get you to work with a specialist" or something
Dec 07 19:41:38 <egaudet_work> grrr, I have told them at least 15 times that 12/3 was the last time my old Pre backed up... and now the guy finally asks me when the last date the data of the old pre was backed up
Dec 07 19:53:57 <gkatsev> just had the quickest luna restart ever. ~10 seconds
Dec 07 19:54:56 <jauderho> how?
Dec 07 19:55:22 <gkatsev> idk.
Dec 07 19:57:36 <Mousey> gkatsev: i'd like to buy some of that
Dec 07 19:59:16 <jauderho> grr.
Dec 07 19:59:25 <gkatsev> this time it got to 12 mississipis
Dec 07 19:59:34 <gkatsev> s/p/pp/
Dec 07 19:59:35 <jauderho> why do vendors not carry the macbook pro with matte screen in stock?
Dec 07 19:59:36 <infobot> gkatsev meant: this time it got to 12 mississippis
Dec 07 20:00:34 <Mousey> i got 39 mississippis
Dec 07 20:00:53 <Mousey> f apple
Dec 07 20:02:23 <gkatsev> Mousey: iphone?
Dec 07 20:03:46 <Mousey> gkatsev: iphone = garbage
Dec 07 20:04:22 <Mousey> you should check out the Palm Pre tho.. makes the iphone look silly
Dec 07 20:04:41 <Mousey> ^_^
Dec 07 20:05:38 <rkguy> As egaudet_work sits on the phone with Palm support (I'm just saying) *waits for flame
Dec 07 20:05:48 <rkguy> :P
Dec 07 20:05:55 <egaudet_work> it's not phone :P  it's online chat
Dec 07 20:05:59 <egaudet_work> phone call costs $15
Dec 07 20:06:01 <egaudet_work> !
Dec 07 20:06:04 <rkguy> ahh, i stand corrected.
Dec 07 20:09:24 <gkatsev> Mousey: im confused. you have a pre right? but you said 39 mississippis? was that for luna restart? was the f apple for the matte screen?
Dec 07 20:09:39 <Mousey> yes, bah mac book
Dec 07 20:09:47 <gkatsev> ok. lol
Dec 07 20:09:55 <gkatsev> i got confused there for a sec
Dec 07 20:10:27 <Mousey> ^_^
Dec 07 20:11:01 <Mousey> sorry, i context switch without warning. ooo, puppies1
Dec 07 20:11:03 <Mousey> 1=!
Dec 07 20:11:24 <gkatsev> Mousey: use, s///, then infobot will replace it for me
Dec 07 20:11:26 <gkatsev> s/me/you/
Dec 07 20:11:27 <infobot> gkatsev meant: Mousey: use, s///, then infobot will replace it for you
Dec 07 20:11:30 <gkatsev> see?
Dec 07 20:12:43 <Mousey> oooooh i know
Dec 07 20:12:48 <Mousey> i abuse it often
Dec 07 20:12:54 <Mousey> but sometimes it's about style
Dec 07 20:12:56 <Mousey> ^_^
Dec 07 20:13:30 * dBsooner gasps! egaudet_work is on twitter?
Dec 07 20:13:37 <dBsooner> all we have left os PuffTheMagic and oil..
Dec 07 20:13:37 <rkguy> egaudet_work: I left a quick note to Palm on twitter for you. I've heard it can help move things along. Anybody have positive experience with communicating w/ palm via twitter
Dec 07 20:13:39 <rkguy> ?
Dec 07 20:13:39 <gkatsev> he is? where?
Dec 07 20:13:46 * gkatsev looks around
Dec 07 20:13:51 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: huh?
Dec 07 20:14:13 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: to join in on the twitter/fb craze.
Dec 07 20:14:19 <gkatsev> dBsooner: you mean twitter.com/egaudet?
Dec 07 20:14:32 <PuffTheMagic> fb?
Dec 07 20:14:38 <gkatsev> facebook
Dec 07 20:14:45 <PuffTheMagic> yeah i know that
Dec 07 20:14:46 <PuffTheMagic> there is a webos-internals group on that?
Dec 07 20:15:03 <gkatsev> but twitter is better. twitter is for meeting new friends, facebook is for meeting old friends
Dec 07 20:15:50 <dBsooner> twitter is for listening to random bird rants from chuqui..
Dec 07 20:16:09 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 07 20:16:48 <chuqui> phhht. just for that I'm going to lunch. that, and I can feel my blood sugar dropping...
Dec 07 20:17:04 <chuqui> damn. It's 12:30. no wonder. how time flies when you're having fun.
Dec 07 20:17:13 <egaudet_work> twitter.com/egaudet is not me
Dec 07 20:17:29 <gkatsev> egaudet_work: lol, i realize. what is you?
Dec 07 20:17:32 <egaudet_work> but if someone could convince him to give it to me :P
Dec 07 20:17:34 * dBsooner imagines the Palm Circus in the App Dev officfe..
Dec 07 20:17:40 <egaudet_work> twitter.com/silentLaughter
Dec 07 20:17:41 <rkguy> whew, that's why i didn't put @egaudet when i posted to palm
Dec 07 20:17:54 <egaudet_work> i don't know anything about twitter
Dec 07 20:18:06 <gkatsev> hm... i thought i was following you already...
Dec 07 20:18:52 <egaudet_work> I think my tweet rate is up to like 1 a month, maybe
Dec 07 20:18:55 <egaudet_work> lol
Dec 07 20:21:09 <egaudet_work> soooo since I can't trust the cloud anymore, what is everyone's favorite contact save/sync methods
Dec 07 20:22:51 <egaudet_work> thanks btw rkguy, for the support :P
Dec 07 20:29:38 <rkguy> two quick off topic questions: (1) does anybody know when Ares is available and if I can use it do to something like interface with a WIFI device? (2) is there any documentation on using the Pre Wifi to communicate with various devices rather than  "infrasturcture
Dec 07 20:32:17 <egaudet_work> :sigh: they cant recover my phone numbers
Dec 07 20:32:33 <egaudet_work> :(
Dec 07 20:33:18 * rkguy thinks his post makes no sense
Dec 07 20:34:03 <gkatsev> rkguy: thinks there was a mention of some beta or other for ares before the end of the year (but i could be totally off).
Dec 07 20:35:10 <rkguy> gkatsev: Thanks. I am hoping to do some simple data polling from that stupid ODBII wifi transmitter :/
Dec 07 20:38:50 <egaudet_work> Wow, I didn't know it would be such a hassle to revert my data on their servers.  I have to wait to talk to a "specialists" team to get my phone numbers back :(
Dec 07 20:39:18 <en0x> and tjhey will tell u
Dec 07 20:39:23 <en0x> that they are not able to revert it
Dec 07 20:39:26 <en0x> and all is lost
Dec 07 20:39:26 <en0x> ;d
Dec 07 20:39:27 <gkatsev> chuqui: come back and make egaudet_work's life all better
Dec 07 20:40:03 <egaudet_work> it's 3:36, i started chatting today at 1:55
Dec 07 20:40:14 <gkatsev> wow
Dec 07 20:40:16 <gkatsev> that sucks
Dec 07 20:40:19 <egaudet_work> I spent probably 30mins to an hour yesterday as well chatting
Dec 07 20:40:38 <gkatsev> ~do hug egaudet_work
Dec 07 20:40:39 * infobot does hug egaudet_work.
Dec 07 20:40:41 <en0x> u should throw a spell at them
Dec 07 20:40:42 <en0x> :)
Dec 07 20:40:46 <egaudet_work> lol
Dec 07 20:42:03 <ird> god the pre takes so long to boot.
Dec 07 20:42:14 <egaudet_work> Luna does
Dec 07 20:42:20 <ird> does the pixi take like 5 minutes then?
Dec 07 20:42:20 <ird> :p
Dec 07 20:42:30 <egaudet_work> she takes her sweet a** time
Dec 07 20:42:39 <ird> why does luna take so long?
Dec 07 20:43:29 <gkatsev> as i said earlier, miraculously, earlier, a luna restart lasted ~12 seconds!
Dec 07 20:43:39 <egaudet_work> don't know
Dec 07 20:44:00 <ird> great..
Dec 07 20:44:15 <ird> now my phone froze :(
Dec 07 20:44:15 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 07 20:44:40 <ird> and I have to take the battery off :(
Dec 07 20:46:05 <ird> I need to order a touchstone already.
Dec 07 20:46:13 <ird> The crack on the back plate of mine is getting worse.
Dec 07 20:46:21 <ird> I let a stupid girl at work use my phone and she dropped it.
Dec 07 20:46:23 <gkatsev> ird: order from amazon, much cheaper.
Dec 07 20:46:30 <ird> yeah, PC store sucks.
Dec 07 20:46:42 <gkatsev> ird: you let someone else use your precious phone?
Dec 07 20:46:45 <gkatsev> ird: was she hot?
Dec 07 20:46:48 <ird> yes
Dec 07 20:46:54 <ird> why I called her stupid.
Dec 07 20:46:59 <ird> everyone knows all hot chicks are idiots.
Dec 07 20:47:00 <ird> :p
Dec 07 20:47:07 <gkatsev> lol, ok, just making sure.
Dec 07 20:47:26 <ird> and if there are any women out there, I was joking..
Dec 07 20:47:28 <ird> seriously.
Dec 07 20:47:37 <ird> don't get all right to life on me.
Dec 07 20:49:59 <Adora> ird:  don't worry, you're safe
Dec 07 20:50:00 <ird> precorder only records things I don't want to record :(
Dec 07 20:50:05 <Adora> there aren't any chicks on irc
Dec 07 20:50:12 <ird> Lies.
Dec 07 20:50:16 <ird> I know a chick on tehflap.
Dec 07 20:50:36 <ird> although, I think she's the only one.
Dec 07 20:50:45 <Adora> bet a dollar she's faking
Dec 07 20:50:54 <ird> I've seen her fb
Dec 07 20:50:59 <ird> and I know the guy nailing her so..
Dec 07 20:55:00 <gkatsev> does fb count as the internet?
Dec 07 20:55:11 <egaudet_work> grrrr now I lost my text history again which had a couple numbers I needed
Dec 07 20:56:07 <egaudet_work> hopefully the sprint store will replace my replacement with a quality Pre when I go back there today
Dec 07 20:56:48 <gkatsev> egaudet_work: just back everything up to google contacts
Dec 07 20:57:01 <Decimate> google FOR, THE, WIN
Dec 07 20:57:11 <Decimate> palm lost my contacts a while back, i havent looked back
Dec 07 20:57:45 <egaudet_work> yea I'm going to use google contacts and also back stuff up to my desktop
Dec 07 20:57:48 <egaudet_work> from now on
Dec 07 20:59:07 <rwhitby> morning
Dec 07 20:59:53 <egaudet_work> mornin
Dec 07 21:00:03 <gkatsev> ~morning rwhitby
Dec 07 21:00:04 * infobot bends space and time, trapping rwhitby in a universe of eternal monday mornings
Dec 07 21:00:29 <egaudet_work> that's pretty evil infobot
Dec 07 21:00:43 <rwhitby> ~botslap
Dec 07 21:00:44 <infobot> OUCH! That hurt, rwhitby!
Dec 07 21:00:45 <gkatsev> i wonder what itll say tomorrow
Dec 07 21:03:08 <rkguy> anybody see the N64 on iphone. Fake?? - I'd love to have it on the pre with the keyboard http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/07/iphone-3gs-emulates-n64-blows-minds-in-the-process/
Dec 07 21:06:06 <egaudet_work> only thing I can think of now is goldeneye!
Dec 07 21:07:45 <ird> I don't get why some videos work and some don't..
Dec 07 21:10:06 <ird> guess I'll play a game of mw2 while my phone reboots.
Dec 07 21:10:11 <egaudet_work> some are supported type some aren't?
Dec 07 21:10:23 <ird> I mean precorder videos
Dec 07 21:10:25 <egaudet_work> mw2 the camper's paradies!
Dec 07 21:10:28 <egaudet_work> paradise*
Dec 07 21:10:34 <ird> I hate campers.
Dec 07 21:10:45 <ird> I have a class especially for when there's a game full of campers.
Dec 07 21:10:58 <egaudet_work> the javelin glitch class ;)
Dec 07 21:12:31 <ird> I didn't even know about that :(\
Dec 07 21:18:09 <egaudet_work> you don't know about the javelin glitch?
Dec 07 21:18:24 <egaudet_work> ps3 or 360?
Dec 07 21:21:49 <rwhitby> Adora: no chicks on IRC - classic.
Dec 07 21:22:08 <Adora> wut
Dec 07 21:22:11 <Adora> he believed me, didn't he?
Dec 07 21:22:21 <Adora> stereotypes exist for a reason!
Dec 07 21:24:28 <ird> egaudet_work: : 360
Dec 07 21:24:34 <dBsooner> Adora = the HOTTEST chick on IRC...
Dec 07 21:24:54 <ird> egaudet_work: my title is "joint ops" for a reason.
Dec 07 21:25:13 <dBsooner> @webosinternals: thanks for not re-tweeting my tweet about new patches for 1.3.1..
Dec 07 21:27:13 <Abyssul> howdy
Dec 07 21:27:32 <rwhitby> dBsooner: that was retweeted 13 hours ago
Dec 07 21:27:36 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: You get your contacts back yet?
Dec 07 21:27:45 <dBsooner> rwhitby: Nuh Uh.. I dont' see it in @dBsooner
Dec 07 21:27:48 <rwhitby> dBsooner: http://twitter.com/webosinternals
Dec 07 21:28:18 <dBsooner> statement withdrawn. Please stricken it from teh record.
Dec 07 21:28:30 <egaudet_work> dBsooner, NO I don't think I'll ever get my numbers back
Dec 07 21:28:35 * dBsooner slaps twitter.com for not showing crap in @dBsooner feed!
Dec 07 21:28:41 <egaudet_work> 24-48 hours before a specialists team contacts me
Dec 07 21:28:54 <egaudet_work> I chatted from 1:55 to 3:36
Dec 07 21:28:57 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: Serious?? That's poor.
Dec 07 21:29:00 <egaudet_work> to get nowhere
Dec 07 21:29:06 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: your best bet is getting chuqui on IRC
Dec 07 21:29:15 <dBsooner> ask chuqui what his bosses name is
Dec 07 21:29:22 <dBsooner> and say.. HEY! Get my shiznet. :D
Dec 07 21:29:29 <dBsooner> But only nicely.
Dec 07 21:30:00 <Abyssul> egaudet_work: Did you lose you Palm Profile info?
Dec 07 21:30:06 <dBsooner> of course those "specialists" are the same people that told me, "No, there absolutely no way to delete your profile. Once it is in our servers, it is there forever."
Dec 07 21:30:31 <Abyssul> Meh, I lost my contacts via Palm, and I never went back. Im with Google now
Dec 07 21:30:51 <dBsooner> to which the Palm Execs loved and are in the process of "edumucating (educating)" the sepcialists.
Dec 07 21:30:53 <Kyusaku> should be able to restore an old backup if they actually know how to run a server.
Dec 07 21:31:06 <dBsooner> I have never trusted my contacts outside my own control.
Dec 07 21:31:14 <dBsooner> They are on my personally owned Exchange server.
Dec 07 21:31:53 <dBsooner> to which I have offered rwhitby to let us create @webos-internals.org accounts to use to EAS to..
Dec 07 21:31:57 <egaudet_work> I wish I knew even 50% of the phone numbers :(
Dec 07 21:32:04 <Abyssul> Hmmm Droid got the 2.0.1 update now
Dec 07 21:32:12 <egaudet_work> damn technology saving my brain from remembering things like phone numbers, now see what you have done!
Dec 07 21:32:20 <dBsooner> ~kick Abyssul
Dec 07 21:32:21 * infobot kicks Abyssul
Dec 07 21:32:23 <dBsooner> no Droid talk.
Dec 07 21:32:37 <Abyssul> Lol gotta keep an eye on the competition
Dec 07 21:33:48 <dBsooner> egaudet: found a problem with your APT change
Dec 07 21:33:53 <egaudet_work> finally
Dec 07 21:33:55 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: ^^
Dec 07 21:34:06 <dBsooner> "theoretically" found a problem that is
Dec 07 21:34:33 <egaudet_work> cmon qwerty lover type!
Dec 07 21:34:36 <Kyusaku> I saw a recent Droid commercial showing off unobtrusive notifications.
Dec 07 21:34:45 <egaudet_work> :p
Dec 07 21:34:46 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: no. I want you to beg.
Dec 07 21:34:46 <bougyman> yeah, me too
Dec 07 21:34:50 <bougyman> i laughed at that.
Dec 07 21:35:19 <egaudet_work> lol dBsooner, I rather just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist. back to lala land
Dec 07 21:35:54 <dBsooner> I am going to use two version #'s here in hypotheical world
Dec 07 21:35:57 <dBsooner> 1.3.1 is current
Dec 07 21:35:59 <dBsooner> 1.3.2 is new
Dec 07 21:37:08 <dBsooner> if we have a 1.3.1-99 package.. I feel we SHOULD NOT have it rebuilt for 1.3.2.. If we do.. it will build a 1.3.2-0, making it "unavailable" as in "not ported". We don't want that. -99 Gives a strict statement of "This patch/packageid is no longer available. It was removed and obsoleted for a reason. Please remove it and don't try to isntall it again."
Dec 07 21:37:23 <dBsooner> if we build that same packageid as 1.3.2-0, it would have "This hasn't been ported yet. Please check back later"
Dec 07 21:38:16 <rwhitby> dBsooner: a 1.3.1-99 patch will not have any 1.3.2 tags
Dec 07 21:38:56 <Abyssul> Wow its been slow news in the Pre world
Dec 07 21:38:57 <dBsooner> rwhitby: Right.. so since it doesn't have a 1.3.2 tag, the new APT will default to make a 1.3.2-0
Dec 07 21:39:18 <dBsooner> rwhitby: _ALL_ packages (read dirs in build.git/autopath) are made with a 1.3.2-0
Dec 07 21:39:19 <rwhitby> I guess you need some way of identifying the difference between no tag for not ported yet vs no tag for obsolete
Dec 07 21:39:20 <pre_owner_va> hey all. i updated ipkg-opt through Preware today. It failed to complete (stuck at Downloading/Updating) so after waiting for a while i threw out the card and restarted preware. ipkg-opt showed as installed but to be sure i uninstalled and reinstalled it. I noticed afterwards that the "native" feed in /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf was no longer there (only the other two). Is this a bug or just because i uninstalled and
Dec 07 21:40:07 <rwhitby> pre_owner_va: there is no native feed.  where's the instructions which created the native feed entry so I can remove it?
Dec 07 21:40:17 <egaudet_work> "obsolete" -99 stuff is the problem
Dec 07 21:40:29 <egaudet_work> they should be removed from build.git
Dec 07 21:40:30 <pre_owner_va> ill pull it up... and paste the link
Dec 07 21:40:37 <egaudet_work> at least from autopatch/
Dec 07 21:40:46 <egaudet_work> build once, leave it in the feed and remove it from the repo
Dec 07 21:40:52 <egaudet_work> at least from autopatch/ part of repo
Dec 07 21:41:11 <egaudet_work> The "unavailable" category is not strictly "unported"
Dec 07 21:41:11 <dBsooner> rwhitby: the new APT build scripts (common.mk) goes through and makes _ALL_ packages a 1.3.1-0 package.. which would make all of them "Unavailable/NotPorted"
Dec 07 21:41:17 <pre_owner_va> its under step 7 here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setting_up_optware_feed
Dec 07 21:41:20 <rwhitby> well, I think that at a webOS version bump, you just delete obsolete patches from all feeds.
Dec 07 21:41:23 <dBsooner> then it goes into the second build loop and makes all the VERSIONS
Dec 07 21:41:25 <egaudet_work> unavailable for an undefined reason which COULD be not ported yet
Dec 07 21:41:30 <pre_owner_va> i didnt want to use the scripts so i did the manual method
Dec 07 21:41:48 <pre_owner_va> should i go back in through vi and delete the native feed?
Dec 07 21:41:53 <egaudet_work> rwhitby, you risk a user not updating until an update
Dec 07 21:41:59 <egaudet_work> and then NEVER seeing their patch as "obsoleted"
Dec 07 21:42:02 <pre_owner_va> ipkg-opt update doesn't evoke any errors
Dec 07 21:42:10 <pre_owner_va> evenm with "native" included
Dec 07 21:42:11 <dBsooner> I GOT IT
Dec 07 21:42:44 <Treyx> where can i donwload the ipk for the precorder program?
Dec 07 21:42:59 <rwhitby> pre_owner_va: actually, you're right - it's a bug in ipkg-opt in Preware.  I'll update it.
Dec 07 21:43:01 <dBsooner> create a "OBSOLETE" dir in build.git/autopatch. Then once the -99 package has been made, move the build.git/autopatch/<package> dir to build.git/autopatch/obsolete/<package>
Dec 07 21:43:09 <dBsooner> because teh build script only goes one dir deep
Dec 07 21:43:20 <dBsooner> so it won't see any Makefiles in the subdir's for obsolete
Dec 07 21:43:22 <dBsooner> so it won't build them
Dec 07 21:43:36 <dBsooner> which lets us keep the Makefiles, but not have them built anymore.
Dec 07 21:43:48 <egaudet_work> i thought we already had an obsolete dir?
Dec 07 21:43:53 <egaudet_work> didn't you or weren't you making that
Dec 07 21:44:01 <pre_owner_va> so wait, you mean optware.conf needs to include the native feed as the "manual" method stipulated? meaning i need not rever my edit
Dec 07 21:44:21 <pre_owner_va> *revert
Dec 07 21:44:35 <pre_owner_va> in other words optware.conf should look like :
Dec 07 21:44:49 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: Nope.. we decided not to do obsolete that way
Dec 07 21:44:57 <dBsooner> because we should "very rareley" need it
Dec 07 21:44:58 <rwhitby> pre_owner_va: pushed the fix, the autobuilder will have an updated ipkg-opt in the feed within 15 minutes.
Dec 07 21:45:05 <pre_owner_va> echo "src/gz cross http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable" > /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf echo "src/gz native http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/native/unstable" >> /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf echo "src/gz kernel http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable" >> /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf
Dec 07 21:45:22 <pre_owner_va> er oops
Dec 07 21:45:39 <dBsooner> PASTEBIN
Dec 07 21:45:48 <dBsooner> Did I yell that? my bad.
Dec 07 21:45:58 <rwhitby> dBsooner: if the patch is not in autopatch, it will be removed from the Packages file for the old feed
Dec 07 21:46:06 <egaudet_work> ok well then I believe the obsolete package .ipk should be commit'd to repo, and not something built
Dec 07 21:46:09 <egaudet_work> it's a one time forever deal
Dec 07 21:46:18 <egaudet_work> those should be removed from autopatch/ dir IMO
Dec 07 21:46:32 <pre_owner_va> i guess my question is: do i need that line: "src/gz native http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/native/unstable" (in addition to the two others), or not? or should i wait for a new package to show up in preware and update agagin?
Dec 07 21:46:37 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I see what your saying..
Dec 07 21:47:01 <dBsooner> rwhitby, egaudet: I agree with egaudet's statement of commited to repo, and not relied upon a build script.
Dec 07 21:47:08 <pre_owner_va> (sorry for being such a novice here, i do unix but still learning the intricacies of ipkg and webos)
Dec 07 21:47:44 <rwhitby> pre_owner_va: wait for the new package and update again
Dec 07 21:48:04 <dBsooner> but, in the mean time..
Dec 07 21:48:04 <egaudet_work> maybe make an obsolete feed
Dec 07 21:48:14 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: you can't have something that is not built, but still exists in Packages
Dec 07 21:48:41 <rwhitby> (well, you can, but then you would need to manually remove things from it0
Dec 07 21:49:02 <dBsooner> I vote for you breaking down the VERSION into a SUB_VERSION and checking ifneq [ "$SUBVERSION", "99" ] ; then \ $make 1.3.2-0"
Dec 07 21:49:04 <egaudet_work> the Packages file is built based on ipkgs/
Dec 07 21:49:16 <dBsooner> that way it won't make 1.3.2-0 of -99's
Dec 07 21:49:21 <pre_owner_va> ok thanks! and thanks for all your terrific work Rod!
Dec 07 21:49:29 <egaudet_work> we could add a rule to a makefile to also add in ipk's saved in a dedicated obsolete/ipkgs/ dir
Dec 07 21:49:46 <dBsooner> yeah, that too.
Dec 07 21:49:59 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: yes, but then a rebuild of the autobuilder from scratch would give a different output.
Dec 07 21:49:59 <dBsooner> Or we could just get SUPERCEDE working too
Dec 07 21:50:19 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: must be able to rebuild the feed on a new machine for disaster recovery reasons.
Dec 07 21:50:21 <egaudet_work> rwhitby, if the .ipk was in the rebo a rebuild from scratch wouldn't give a different output
Dec 07 21:50:30 <egaudet_work> it would be part of the build process
Dec 07 21:50:47 <dBsooner> the .ipk would exists in the obsolete/ipk's folder
Dec 07 21:50:51 <dBsooner> and build process would just copy
Dec 07 21:50:57 <dBsooner> no :"build"ing it
Dec 07 21:51:05 <egaudet_work> the repo would include the .ipk already built so all the build process after building the .ipk's that are currently done is still valid for it
Dec 07 21:51:27 * dBsooner DID find something wrong in APT.. WOohoo!
Dec 07 21:52:53 <egaudet_work> so the Packages file will still be generated from scratch, but rather than source building up an .ipk, we start with an .ipk that's already built
Dec 07 21:53:05 <egaudet_work> (for the obsolete -99 packages)
Dec 07 21:54:00 <rwhitby> pre_owner_va: grab -12 now
Dec 07 21:54:17 * rwhitby bbl
Dec 07 21:55:29 <dBsooner> dang rwhitby and his work obligations.
Dec 07 22:12:24 <dBsooner> ~dict insanity
Dec 07 22:12:28 <infobot> Dictionary 'insanity' (1 of 4): aberration, absurdity, alienation, amentia, arrested development, asininity, backwardness, battiness, blithering idiocy, brain disease, brainlessness, buffoonery, clownishness, crack-up, crackpottedness, crankiness, craziness, cretinism, daffiness, delirium, delusion, dementia praecox, derangement, desipience, distraction, dotage, dottiness, eccentricity, emotional disorder, emotional instability, fatuity, ...
Dec 07 22:12:41 <dBsooner> ~dict insanity
Dec 07 22:12:43 <infobot> Dictionary 'insanity' (1 of 4): relatively permanent disorder of the mind .
Dec 07 22:12:50 <dBsooner> ~dict insanity
Dec 07 22:12:51 <egaudet_work> nice dictionary
Dec 07 22:13:02 <dBsooner> COME ON!
Dec 07 22:13:18 <egaudet_work> trying the same thing over and over with the same results expecting different results
Dec 07 22:13:23 <oilsworkn> haha
Dec 07 22:13:24 <dBsooner> LOL.. doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
Dec 07 22:13:26 <oilsworkn> how funny is that
Dec 07 22:13:37 <oilsworkn> that you were doing the same thing over and over again
Dec 07 22:13:45 <egaudet_work> lol
Dec 07 22:13:46 <dBsooner> Expecting a different result..
Dec 07 22:13:59 <dBsooner> i was proving a point to egaudet_work
Dec 07 22:14:01 <egaudet_work> that is quite HILARIOUS
Dec 07 22:14:10 * oilsworkn calls luneybin
Dec 07 22:14:17 <dBsooner> That chatting up Palm support won't do him much good..
Dec 07 22:14:20 <egaudet_work> so you prove your own insanity :P
Dec 07 22:14:35 <dBsooner> Tu she..
Dec 07 22:14:40 <dBsooner> ~spellcheck
Dec 07 22:14:42 <egaudet_work> well the supervisor guy might have got me back to 12/3 but I need 12/2
Dec 07 22:14:48 <egaudet_work> so I gotta get the supervisor guy back
Dec 07 22:14:54 <egaudet_work> to do the same thing he did but to 12/2
Dec 07 22:14:57 <dBsooner> G'luck there turbo
Dec 07 22:15:04 <egaudet_work> because he did fix the facebook sync'ing whatever
Dec 07 22:15:10 <dBsooner> ahh
Dec 07 22:15:13 <dBsooner> they CAN do something
Dec 07 22:15:19 <egaudet_work> anyway, now to try my luck at sprint store getting a QUALITY replacement
Dec 07 22:15:19 <dBsooner> j/k
Dec 07 22:15:21 <dBsooner> real work time
Dec 07 22:15:29 <egaudet_work> I have a feeling they will send me home less than happy
Dec 07 22:25:13 <sslow> dbsooner: it seems there alot themes that include patches, does PreWare handle those patches the same way?
Dec 07 22:26:47 * Templarian thinks "Preware"
Dec 07 22:27:23 <sslow>  I ask because so many posts pertaining to "i cant uninstall theme"
Dec 07 22:28:00 <sslow> it seems like the problem lies with the themes containing patches.
Dec 07 22:28:59 <sslow> i personally have never had this problem..Mainly because Ive never used somebody elses theme.
Dec 07 22:41:35 <pre_owner_va> ok ipkg-opt installed fine this time. for the record i am showing all THREE lines (for cross, native, and kernel feeds) in /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf after installing the updated ipkg-opt package in preware. is this as intended? should there in fact be those three feeds?
Dec 07 22:44:11 <rwhitby> pre_owner_va: yes, there should
Dec 07 22:44:57 <pre_owner_va> excellent! thanks again!
Dec 07 22:45:24 <ird> Is there a quick way to get my contacts in my palm profile into my google account?
Dec 07 22:45:46 <pre_owner_va> i have to say (not using SSH) that using vi in the pres terminal using the hardware keyboard is quite a feat
Dec 07 22:45:53 <pre_owner_va> (i know theres nano, but...)
Dec 07 22:46:01 <pre_owner_va> fun stuff!
Dec 07 22:46:06 <ird> I can never get nano to save.
Dec 07 22:46:10 <ird> I just get a beep.
Dec 07 22:46:10 <pre_owner_va> yeah
Dec 07 22:46:14 <pre_owner_va> i had issues with nano
Dec 07 22:46:24 <pre_owner_va> i dunno i know vi so i figured id use it
Dec 07 22:46:30 <ird> So I had to learn how to use vi after years of avoiding it.
Dec 07 22:46:47 <pre_owner_va> i had to consult the man pages hahahah
Dec 07 22:46:55 <pre_owner_va> well not literally, i looked them up on my pc
Dec 07 22:47:09 <dBsooner> sslow: the problem lies withint there not being a strandardized Theme system.
Dec 07 22:47:51 <dBsooner> sslow: It has nothing to do with patches/non patches, this that.. it has to do with People using WQI to install one theme, then trying to install another.. then maybe trying Preware to install one.. or remove one..
Dec 07 22:48:04 <dBsooner> sslow: It has everything to do with people "mucking" it.
Dec 07 22:48:23 <ird> I don't see the point of themes anyways.
Dec 07 22:48:26 <dBsooner> sslow: There needs to be a standard for Theme's. Which I have proposed a solution several times, but it seems a bit out of scope.
Dec 07 22:48:42 <ird> dBsooner: what's your solution?
Dec 07 22:48:54 * oilsworkn typed out a reply to milominderbinder then reread it and realized he was being an ass
Dec 07 22:49:12 <oilsworkn> so I'm not going to reply, because I can't do it without being a jerk to him
Dec 07 22:49:16 <dBsooner> create a "theme API".. where you have a list of allowed image replacements/code modifications (patches)
Dec 07 22:49:38 <ird> Would palm have to do that?
Dec 07 22:49:43 <dBsooner> ird: No
Dec 07 22:50:11 <dBsooner> ird: I am saying you would have a list of images that are allowed to be "replaced".. then a theme builder makes their theme the same they always have with the XML and everything.
Dec 07 22:50:26 <ird> ah ok
Dec 07 22:50:28 <ird> I get it.
Dec 07 22:50:46 <dBsooner> then the installer installs the them like it always has and puts an "installed" state file in a certain place that ALL INSTALL METHODS should check.
Dec 07 22:51:01 <dBsooner> and ALL INSTALL METHODS should install/uininstall in the exact same method.
Dec 07 22:51:11 * oilsworkn bids dbsooner good luck at that
Dec 07 22:51:13 <lingfish> meh... wtf is the point of the developer.palm.com forums when devs don't reply?!?!
Dec 07 22:51:31 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: Tis why I am NOT going to take on that challenge. I was merely giving the idea.
Dec 07 22:51:47 * dBsooner doesn't use themes.
Dec 07 22:51:50 * dBsooner WON"T use themes.
Dec 07 22:51:52 <sslow> dbsooner: Ive posted that there needs to be some sort of governing entity or something to test themes before allowing other people to use them
Dec 07 22:51:57 <oilsworkn> you dont want "patch&theme meister"?
Dec 07 22:52:02 * dBsooner thinks themes make my Pre look like a crayon.
Dec 07 22:52:08 <dBsooner> s/crayon/crayon box/
Dec 07 22:52:09 <ird> dBsooner: good call.
Dec 07 22:52:13 <sslow> I dont have the ability to do that either
Dec 07 22:52:24 <ird> I did like one theme but all it did was make the default theme gray scale
Dec 07 22:52:25 <ird> :p
Dec 07 22:52:38 <ird> That madolen guy makes me sick though.
Dec 07 22:52:43 <dBsooner> im good with a brackground
Dec 07 22:52:48 <dBsooner> and "no app launcher"
Dec 07 22:52:53 <dBsooner> that's all the theming I need.
Dec 07 22:53:08 <dBsooner> all this Messaging/Email UI tweaking crap is "yuck"
Dec 07 22:53:21 <dBsooner> too "busy" looking
Dec 07 22:53:28 <oilsworkn> rwhitby: your reply was much better then the one I typed out
Dec 07 22:53:48 <dBsooner> then the top-bar multi colors/bold, or changing your "Sprint" (Carrier) to "MyKickAssPre" is gai.
Dec 07 22:54:08 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: was I in the CC on it?
Dec 07 22:54:08 <dBsooner> :D
Dec 07 22:54:36 <oilsworkn> dBsooner: you're to require any and all patch submittors register at precentral and create a thread
Dec 07 22:54:40 * dBsooner tends to take everything craig has with a grain of salt.
Dec 07 22:54:45 <oilsworkn> cause, that is apparently more open then what we have now
Dec 07 22:54:48 <dBsooner> NEGATIVE
Dec 07 22:54:54 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 22:54:57 <dBsooner> no no no
Dec 07 22:54:57 <sslow> dbsooner: but... there are alot of people that like and request it
Dec 07 22:55:25 <oilsworkn> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2083114#post2083114
Dec 07 22:55:28 <dBsooner> sslow: Then I recommend those people join the team and try to come up with/implement a universal standard.
Dec 07 22:56:04 <dBsooner> But theming an OS that has no internal theming support is a nightmare
Dec 07 22:56:08 <sslow> i dont mean themes.. Im talking about the patches
Dec 07 22:56:14 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 22:56:17 <dBsooner> not one I would be willing to take on
Dec 07 22:56:39 <dBsooner> what themes use patches
Dec 07 22:56:41 <dBsooner> ?
Dec 07 22:56:48 <dBsooner> none should..
Dec 07 22:57:00 <dBsooner> AnOutsider's (PreThemer.com) use sed replacements..
Dec 07 22:57:07 <dBsooner> or did..
Dec 07 22:57:09 <dBsooner> but not patches.
Dec 07 22:58:07 <sslow> some change the carrier string or did anyway I havent checked lately
Dec 07 22:58:36 <ird> rwhitby: do you know if the testing feed info is still in the pastebin? I can't find it.
Dec 07 22:58:49 <rwhitby> ird: prop expired
Dec 07 22:58:49 <sslow> jasons themebuilder allows for the implementation of patches
Dec 07 22:59:16 <oilsworkn> what patches and preware need, is a way to send variables to the postinst
Dec 07 22:59:18 <ird> rwhitby: thought so.
Dec 07 22:59:51 <sslow> bbib
Dec 07 22:59:58 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: amen!
Dec 07 23:00:19 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: have preware rewrite the postinst/prerm with the variable
Dec 07 23:00:37 <dBsooner> s/variable/variable with input from user/
Dec 07 23:00:38 <infobot> dBsooner meant: oilsworkn: have preware rewrite the postinst/prerm with the variable with input from user
Dec 07 23:00:40 <ird> rwhitby: where is the file you have to edit for the sources? I have now forgotten.
Dec 07 23:01:06 <dBsooner> sslow: The Carrier string was a "sed" replacement AnOutsider did.
Dec 07 23:01:40 <dBsooner> AnOutsider was the first to start the whole, "It needs to be standardized".. He wouldn't allow any themes to be submitted that wanted to sed replace outside what he had specified could be done.
Dec 07 23:01:43 <oilsworkn> dBsooner: my initial thought was to put the data in the feed
Dec 07 23:02:02 <oilsworkn> like, this variable is this type
Dec 07 23:02:09 <oilsworkn> text, %, number, whatever
Dec 07 23:02:11 <dBsooner> oilsworkn: example?
Dec 07 23:02:14 <dBsooner> ahh
Dec 07 23:02:17 <oilsworkn> like
Dec 07 23:02:23 <oilsworkn> launcher transparency
Dec 07 23:02:27 <oilsworkn> 0-100%
Dec 07 23:02:28 <dBsooner> right..
Dec 07 23:02:37 <oilsworkn> preware would popup with a slider when they tap install
Dec 07 23:02:44 <oilsworkn> and pass that variable to ipkgservice
Dec 07 23:02:46 <dBsooner> But the only downside to this......
Dec 07 23:02:56 <dBsooner> It would make the ipk's no-longer "ipk standard"
Dec 07 23:03:02 <dBsooner> they would be IPKGService isntallable only
Dec 07 23:03:03 <oilsworkn> and ipkgservice would slap the variables at the end of the postinst
Dec 07 23:03:05 <dBsooner> or Preware even
Dec 07 23:03:16 <oilsworkn> or command line
Dec 07 23:03:24 <dBsooner> because I had suggested that as well
Dec 07 23:03:25 <oilsworkn> after you install you run the postinst with your variables
Dec 07 23:03:31 <ird> oilsworkn: I was thinking of the same kind of thing for the carrier string.
Dec 07 23:04:07 <dBsooner> and even do one as a "drop down" selection.. where you select a specific option from a drop down and it applies.. like "COlor of Top Bar"
Dec 07 23:04:12 <ird> rwhitby: I found it, nevermind. /var/etc/ipkg
Dec 07 23:04:17 <dBsooner> you choose from a list of 24 colors or whatever.
Dec 07 23:04:25 <ird> or a hex color :p
Dec 07 23:04:33 <oilsworkn> becuase the feed would tell it that this variable is a color
Dec 07 23:04:36 <oilsworkn> so preware would use the color form
Dec 07 23:04:38 <dBsooner> ird: KISS
Dec 07 23:04:53 <ird> I was just saying.
Dec 07 23:04:58 <dBsooner> so was I. :D
Dec 07 23:05:13 <oilsworkn> it would use egaudets color widget that he is eventually going to get to
Dec 07 23:05:15 <oilsworkn> :)
Dec 07 23:05:18 <dBsooner> remember, the majority of people that are doing this don't know what Linux is..
Dec 07 23:05:22 <dBsooner> or don't know what the Pre is.
Dec 07 23:05:45 <dBsooner> The ones that do use all this, and know what they are doing, we never hear from.
Dec 07 23:05:47 <ird> A color selector would be ideal.
Dec 07 23:05:55 <ird> You heard from me :p
Dec 07 23:05:59 <dBsooner> So those aren't the ones you worry about.. its the one that can't figure out where the any button is..
Dec 07 23:06:19 <ird> My grandparents got a laptop last year, that was the first question they asked me..
Dec 07 23:06:50 <dBsooner> OIL! My computer went off after the last power outage...!
Dec 07 23:06:59 <dBsooner> I can't touch it... come fix it!
Dec 07 23:07:04 * oilsworkn gets in car
Dec 07 23:07:21 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 07 23:07:24 <oilsworkn> it wasn't all that simple
Dec 07 23:07:29 <oilsworkn> they know how to turn the pcs on
Dec 07 23:07:33 <oilsworkn> they just don't know how to troubleshoot
Dec 07 23:07:41 <dBsooner> heh
Dec 07 23:07:41 <oilsworkn> after you try the pc power button
Dec 07 23:07:48 <oilsworkn> you try the reset button on the powerstrip
Dec 07 23:07:51 <oilsworkn> then if that doesn't work
Dec 07 23:07:57 <oilsworkn> you find your way to the battery backup
Dec 07 23:08:02 <oilsworkn> then you turn that on
Dec 07 23:08:05 <oilsworkn> and then it all works
Dec 07 23:08:07 <dBsooner> Now THAT's asking a lot
Dec 07 23:08:10 <ird> My pc's power button stops working and I have to bang on it.
Dec 07 23:08:25 <dBsooner> My PC doesn't have a power button
Dec 07 23:08:30 <dBsooner> WOL only..
Dec 07 23:08:47 <oilsworkn> my pc has one, i just never touch it, because i never turn it off
Dec 07 23:08:50 <dBsooner> BIOS is set to "Always on"
Dec 07 23:09:03 <dBsooner> mine never turns off either.. the server at home that is
Dec 07 23:09:19 <ird> arg
Dec 07 23:09:20 <ird> I hate nano
Dec 07 23:09:24 <dBsooner> and if it does lose power (after UPS dies), then I can WoL it
Dec 07 23:09:25 <ird> why won't it save? :(
Dec 07 23:09:35 <dBsooner> ird: read only?
Dec 07 23:09:41 <ird> Hmm..
Dec 07 23:09:45 <ird> That could be the problem :p
Dec 07 23:09:54 <dBsooner> mount -o remount,rw /
Dec 07 23:09:58 <dBsooner> Tis your friend.
Dec 07 23:10:00 <ird> I know that :p
Dec 07 23:10:03 <ird> What's the other one?
Dec 07 23:10:06 <ird> the fs_open or whatever.
Dec 07 23:10:18 <dBsooner> Dunno.. it's longer
Dec 07 23:10:43 <rwhitby> rootfs_open -w
Dec 07 23:10:50 <ird> yeah
Dec 07 23:10:51 <ird> that's it
Dec 07 23:10:56 <ird> What's the difference?
Dec 07 23:11:03 <dBsooner> ok, so it's shorter.. but old habits die hard
Dec 07 23:11:10 <dBsooner> like "shutdown -r now"
Dec 07 23:11:16 <rwhitby> nothing. one is a shell script that calls the other
Dec 07 23:11:20 <ird> ah
Dec 07 23:13:21 <dBsooner> rwhitby: what's your thoughts on Jason/palm/Adora's latest tweet?
Dec 07 23:16:48 * oilsworkn bets its a desktop app written in java
Dec 07 23:18:03 <Abyssul> haha
Dec 07 23:18:44 <ird> I hate you nano.
Dec 07 23:18:51 <ird> <enter> != <Ctrl> + U
Dec 07 23:19:41 <rwhitby> dBsooner: he's been planning that for a while.  it should be good.
Dec 07 23:19:42 <jettero> where is the tweet?
Dec 07 23:19:50 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: it will be
Dec 07 23:20:07 <Templarian> Did you guys see palm's last twitter?
Dec 07 23:20:11 <rwhitby> dBsooner: what other thoughts should I have ;)
Dec 07 23:20:15 <Templarian> http://twitter.com/palm/status/6444688766
Dec 07 23:20:44 <AnOutsider> guess they dont feel liek doing their own
Dec 07 23:20:47 <AnOutsider> it's definitely welcome
Dec 07 23:21:54 <oilsworkn> Templarian: a minute or so slow
Dec 07 23:22:11 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: have you seen egaudet and dBsooner's plans for AUPT ?  Auto-Update Patch Technology - it should be useful for Themes too
Dec 07 23:22:42 <Templarian> Dang, was eating dinner.
Dec 07 23:23:13 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I welcome the program.. I just hate that it will overshadow our 'open-source' version..
Dec 07 23:23:35 <rwhitby> dBsooner: what indication do you have that it will not be open source?
Dec 07 23:23:39 <AnOutsider> rwhitby: did see a few tweets about it, but no details
Dec 07 23:23:52 <dBsooner> rwhitby: All of his software he has released to this point is closed?
Dec 07 23:23:59 <dBsooner> with the exception of the stuff invovling APT
Dec 07 23:23:59 <rwhitby> dBsooner: very much not the case
Dec 07 23:24:07 <rwhitby> dBsooner: absolutely false
Dec 07 23:24:08 <dBsooner> his patches are open
Dec 07 23:24:25 <rwhitby> dBsooner: he has 1 closed source program.  all the others are open source.
Dec 07 23:24:30 <egaudet> dBsooner, actually one of the problems I think IS the patches inside themes
Dec 07 23:24:50 <dBsooner> egaudet: where are these themes that have patches?
Dec 07 23:24:57 <dBsooner> i didn't know there were any
Dec 07 23:25:12 <Templarian> They did a long time ago I don't think they do anymore.
Dec 07 23:25:41 <ird> Hmm...
Dec 07 23:26:47 <dBsooner> rwhitby: well then I stand corrected. I apologize for stating my opinion without justification. I will refrain from the subject. Again, I welcome the app. Can't wait to see it.
Dec 07 23:27:06 <AnOutsider> dBsooner: a large portion fo themes have patches
Dec 07 23:27:16 <rwhitby> dBsooner: it may or may not be open source.  I don't think Jason has said yet.
Dec 07 23:27:22 <dBsooner> AnOutsider: i thought you did sed replace?
Dec 07 23:27:48 <rwhitby> he is not anti-open source.  he knows exactly when and why he released closed and open source.
Dec 07 23:28:01 * rwhitby bbl
Dec 07 23:28:46 <AnOutsider> dBsooner: haven't done that for ages. Well the patches are generated using sed on my end, but themes that are installed use patches for file changes
Dec 07 23:29:07 <AnOutsider> and prethemer also allows the uploading of individual patch files with a theme. not sure when it was, but ti was a while ago that it changed
Dec 07 23:29:29 <dBsooner> ah. Well ok then.
Dec 07 23:29:47 <egaudet> AnOutsider, I was not aware you had changed that.  Are you using the postinst from autopatch for patching?
Dec 07 23:30:32 <dBsooner> But it all goes back to my original statement (which AnOutsider had suggested ages ago): There needs to be a so-called "Theme API" to which every patch creator will conform to and all Installers/Uninstalls will adbide by.
Dec 07 23:31:01 <egaudet> It can just be incorporated into APT :P
Dec 07 23:31:27 <dBsooner> there you go again.. wanting to mix Themes into APT
Dec 07 23:31:46 <oilsworkn> and by themes, you mean patches with images
Dec 07 23:32:06 <dBsooner> you mean image replacement and patches in one package
Dec 07 23:32:07 <dBsooner> ;)
Dec 07 23:32:30 <oilsworkn> so patches
Dec 07 23:32:34 <AnOutsider> haha it's true, themes basically are patches with images
Dec 07 23:32:51 <AnOutsider> egaudet: really? remember we had a loooong drawn out convo over it?
Dec 07 23:32:57 <AnOutsider> and I was like, alright, I'll bang that out tonight
Dec 07 23:33:22 <AnOutsider> http://www.prethemer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215 - 10/20/2009 ;)
Dec 07 23:34:14 <egaudet> AnOutsider, yea I remember the convo just didn't know if you had done it and then I guess it just slipped my mind
Dec 07 23:35:02 <egaudet> AnOutsider, what postinst do you use for the patch application?
Dec 07 23:35:03 <AnOutsider> heh
Dec 07 23:35:28 <AnOutsider> seriously? I cant remember what code I wrote this morning let along 1.5 months ago ;)
Dec 07 23:35:40 <dBsooner> so you use your own postinst?
Dec 07 23:35:42 <AnOutsider> I remember you giving me a link to one on github or w/e the repository was
Dec 07 23:35:47 <AnOutsider> and I included it
Dec 07 23:35:49 <Abyssul> Wow the preware.org site is wonderful
Dec 07 23:36:01 <AnOutsider> of course, it's a patch... with images remember :)
Dec 07 23:36:03 * dBsooner agrees with Abyssul.. Go Templarian!
Dec 07 23:36:08 <AnOutsider> and I agree, the preware site looks good
Dec 07 23:36:43 <Abyssul> We need a more detailed orentation blocker than the current slider one.
Dec 07 23:36:52 <Abyssul> Like a combination to keep it from switching
Dec 07 23:36:53 <egaudet> ok so all themes SHOULD be somewhat APT compatible today.
Dec 07 23:37:27 <Abyssul> It looks silly to have the keyboard open while reading the pre landscape
Dec 07 23:37:30 <egaudet> of course with this new AUPT upgrade I'm not sure yet how exactly it will effect other things using older APT technology like the themes and QI drag&drop
Dec 07 23:38:34 <dBsooner> I think it "might" create an issue with anything hard linked to /var/usr/lib/ipkg/
Dec 07 23:38:35 <egaudet> Abyssul, I think it could be a patch to the framework or top bar
Dec 07 23:38:35 <egaudet> put a toggle in device or app menu to freeze that app's orientation
Dec 07 23:38:43 <egaudet> but someone would have to want to do that
Dec 07 23:40:57 <Abyssul> Egaudet similar, Id prefer a key combination though, but a top bar entry is suitable
Dec 07 23:41:35 <Templarian> thanks Abyssul (really wish I wasn't so busy with final projects or it would be better).
Dec 07 23:41:45 <egaudet> heck maybe even a shake event or something
Dec 07 23:41:53 <egaudet> shake the pre to lock orientation, shake to unlock :P
Dec 07 23:42:08 <Abyssul> Na, I hate the shake feature. Even in the TFLN app
Dec 07 23:42:14 <Abyssul> Ill read a funny app and go to show my friend
Dec 07 23:42:18 <Abyssul> and it will load the nextone
Dec 07 23:42:24 <Abyssul> Pisses me off
Dec 07 23:42:26 <AnOutsider> egaudet: if they're not, then we'll get em compatible. I know firsthand what it's like effing up things with an upgrade with theme in place
Dec 07 23:43:58 <ird> Er..
Dec 07 23:44:08 <ird> Can someone help me with importing the ssh key to my pc?
Dec 07 23:44:11 <Abyssul> Wow really...? A Swipe to Delete in Contacts patch, hmmm
Dec 07 23:44:29 <egaudet> AnOutsider, well if you used the postinst directly, you can probably just grab the new one once it's tested
Dec 07 23:44:50 <dBsooner> AnOutsider: The whole reason for AUPT is to allow Upgrading with patches in place. :D
Dec 07 23:45:09 <zsoc> aupt..
Dec 07 23:45:37 <dBsooner> Auto-Update Patch Technology
Dec 07 23:45:38 <dBsooner> :D
Dec 07 23:46:20 <zsoc> silly
Dec 07 23:46:20 <zsoc> sounds like a support protocol
Dec 07 23:46:21 <zsoc> "Oh, it's ok, my theme supports Auto-Update Patch Technology"
Dec 07 23:46:45 <zsoc> but hell, if it works, you can call it susan for all i care
Dec 07 23:46:47 <zsoc> It's good stuff
Dec 07 23:48:09 <dBsooner> Oh lord
Dec 07 23:48:21 <dBsooner> "Palm and Sprint Sued in Backup Class Action Lawsuit"
Dec 07 23:48:45 <dBsooner> Attorneys these days.... lawsuit happy greedy bastards.
Dec 07 23:49:39 <oilsworkn> egaudet is going to get in on that
Dec 07 23:49:46 <Mousey> these days?
Dec 07 23:49:48 <Mousey> they changed?
Dec 07 23:50:05 <oilsworkn> days? they change daily
Dec 07 23:50:18 <zsoc> OH LAWDY
Dec 07 23:50:21 <zsoc> IS DAT SOME LAWSUIT?
Dec 07 23:50:24 <Abyssul> Link?
Dec 07 23:51:06 <dBsooner> http://www.precentral.net/palm-and-sprint-sued-backup-class-action-lawsuit?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Precentralnet+%28PreCentral.net%29&utm_content=Twitter
Dec 07 23:51:20 <dBsooner> http://www.prnewschannel.com/pdf/Palm_webOS_Complaint.pdf
Dec 07 23:52:31 <Mousey> because CLOUD is doubleplusgoodspeak for "your data doesn't matter to us, as much as you'd like it to"
Dec 07 23:52:57 <Mousey> at least it's not as bad as the sidekick
Dec 07 23:53:00 <Mousey> ...i think
Dec 07 23:53:02 <dBsooner> I really doubt any monetary compensation will be awarded.
Dec 07 23:53:19 <oilsworkn> i think we should sue Jason Standiford for being a whiny punk
Dec 07 23:53:27 <Mousey> i wonder. it's not like you have the -option- to save all your data locally to your own server
Dec 07 23:53:37 <Mousey> its one of my biggest complaints
Dec 07 23:53:56 <Mousey> i hope we can collectively grow out of the "palm profile" madness, so i can have my phone to myself for a change
Dec 07 23:54:13 <Mousey> $0.02++
Dec 07 23:55:17 <Mousey> officially it's my second biggest complaint (no syncml backup option), first being lack of jabber support. ^_^
Dec 07 23:55:17 <dBsooner> Mousey: I don't use Palm's profile
Dec 07 23:55:25 <dBsooner> all my information is stored on my personal server.
Dec 07 23:55:36 <Mousey> dBsooner: that's some kinda trick isn't it. like you're in austraila or something
Dec 07 23:55:44 <dBsooner> Nope.. Sprint pre.
Dec 07 23:56:03 <dBsooner> I use EAS and set my EAS account as my primary for Contacts, Calendar, Email, etc.
Dec 07 23:56:14 <dBsooner> and I even turn off contact/etc syncing
Dec 07 23:56:18 <dudestatus> any way to config the palm pre to mount the fs as read-write?
Dec 07 23:56:19 <Mousey> oh. how's that work, cuz i wanna be able to exchange contacts/calendar events/(homebrew) apps again like i could on good ol' PalmOS
Dec 07 23:56:21 <dBsooner> s/syncing/syncing to Palm/
Dec 07 23:56:22 <infobot> dBsooner meant: and I even turn off contact/etc syncing to Palm
Dec 07 23:56:32 <ird> rwhitby: I followed the instructions on the wiki... And I got the key onto the machine I'm trying to connect from. But I still get the publickey error.
Dec 07 23:56:51 <dBsooner> dudestatus: mount -o remount,rw /
Dec 07 23:56:55 <oilsworkn> "<Mousey> dBsooner: that's some kinda trick isn't it." should be put in the channel topic
Dec 07 23:56:55 <Abyssul> I learned my lesson when 1.0.3 was released, and now I use Google
Dec 07 23:57:00 <Mousey> eww google
Dec 07 23:57:07 <Mousey> from one cloud i have no control over to another!
Dec 07 23:57:10 <zsoc> Hey let's give google all of our information
Dec 07 23:57:23 <Mousey> and while we're at it, lets point our DNS requests at them!
Dec 07 23:57:24 <oilsworkn> they're motto is "don't be evil"
Dec 07 23:57:25 <oilsworkn> i trust them
Dec 07 23:57:26 <dBsooner> And NOW google has their own DNS service
Dec 07 23:57:27 * zsoc wonders why everytime you call goog-411 is saves your voice recording for all eternity
Dec 07 23:57:33 <dBsooner> trying to beat down OpenDNS
Dec 07 23:57:46 <Mousey> what's next? Google Cert Authority?
Dec 07 23:57:54 <dBsooner> LOL.. proabably
Dec 07 23:58:02 <zsoc> Mousey: it wouldn't be better than what we have now for cert verification :P
Dec 07 23:58:06 * zsoc MITM's everyone
Dec 07 23:58:07 * oilsworkn welcomes google overlords
Dec 07 23:58:13 <dBsooner> I love the "Facts" stated in the actual lawsuit
Dec 07 23:58:26 <zsoc> Fact: We don't know wtf is going on
Dec 07 23:58:29 <Mousey> zsoc: cacert.org?
Dec 07 23:58:36 <oilsworkn> "Our client is a total douchenozzle"
Dec 07 23:58:45 <oilsworkn> ?
Dec 07 23:59:03 <zsoc> oilsworkn: they have nozzles?
Dec 07 23:59:13 <Mousey> what an awesome collection of syllables
Dec 07 23:59:16 <oilsworkn> idk, it sounded like a good name for him
Dec 07 23:59:26 <zsoc> Well I'll be a cakeeater.
Dec 07 23:59:26 <oilsworkn> it flows off hte tongue
Dec 07 23:59:49 <dBsooner> No.. "Industry estimates show between 50 and 100 thousand Pre units sold in teh first week alone, with several hundreds of thousands more sold to date"
Dec 07 23:59:50 * zsoc invents the douchenozzle
Dec 07 23:59:55 <dBsooner> how is that a "Fact"
Dec 07 23:59:55 <oilsworkn> go ahead, say it out loud
Dec 07 23:59:58 <oilsworkn> i did, and im at work
Dec 08 00:00:03 <Abyssul> I welcome our Google overlords
Dec 08 00:00:26 <Mousey> bah, newscasters
Dec 08 00:00:27 * zsoc waits for the day when we can't declare our own variables without google's permission
Dec 08 00:00:53 <dBsooner> Mousey: That's not newscaster.. thats the lawsuit.. that is a lawyer saying that under their "FACTS" section.
Dec 08 00:00:56 <AnOutsider> [18:45] <zsoc> "Oh, it's ok, my theme supports Auto-Update Patch Technology"
Dec 08 00:01:00 <AnOutsider> it's like intel-inside haha
Dec 08 00:01:14 <oilsworkn> it needs a little seal
Dec 08 00:03:44 <dBsooner> Ohh.. the lawyer also states "...and it's sister device-the webOS-based Palm Pixi-..."
Dec 08 00:03:47 <dBsooner> so that's FACT too?
Dec 08 00:04:08 <PreGame> Since when did palm backup start backing up emails?
Dec 08 00:04:16 <PreGame> and text messages
Dec 08 00:04:21 <dBsooner> yeah
Dec 08 00:04:22 <dBsooner> I just read that too
Dec 08 00:04:31 <dBsooner> I want my text messages back
Dec 08 00:04:37 <dBsooner> from the last 5 times I webosdoctored
Dec 08 00:04:43 <dBsooner> This lawsuit is full of holes..
Dec 08 00:04:45 <PreGame> emails are stored on the email server not on palms
Dec 08 00:04:50 <dBsooner> it's going to get thrown out.
Dec 08 00:04:50 <PreGame> this guy is a dumbass
Dec 08 00:05:03 <PreGame> ohhhhh yea
Dec 08 00:05:07 <PreGame> palms lawyers are laughing at it
Dec 08 00:05:23 <dBsooner> Yeah.. Palm lawyers are still in hawaii livin it up.. No worries.
Dec 08 00:05:31 <dBsooner> ^^ opinion ^^
Dec 08 00:05:35 <PreGame> 50 bucks says jason is part of precentral and uses all the homebrew apps
Dec 08 00:05:45 <PreGame> he could of backed up with many of the FREE backup alternatives
Dec 08 00:05:59 <dBsooner> I lost my contacts too
Dec 08 00:06:00 <dBsooner> !!
Dec 08 00:06:03 <dBsooner> Where do I sign up?
Dec 08 00:06:08 <dBsooner> Oh wait.
Dec 08 00:06:22 <PreGame> i have double contacts... maybe i should sue palm
Dec 08 00:07:15 <dBsooner> lol
Dec 08 00:07:24 <dBsooner> PreGame, look at Item 32
Dec 08 00:07:27 <dBsooner> err 23
Dec 08 00:07:30 <Mousey> dammit
Dec 08 00:07:36 <Mousey> i was hoping to be free of palm profile
Dec 08 00:07:41 <Mousey> i know, it makes me a bad person
Dec 08 00:07:49 <Mousey> i hope i still get christmas presents
Dec 08 00:07:58 <Mousey> bbl ^_^
Dec 08 00:07:59 <oilsworkn> presents in teh form of coal
Dec 08 00:08:08 <Mousey> =P
Dec 08 00:08:12 <PreGame> 30 was making me laugh
Dec 08 00:08:21 <PreGame> half of 30 has never been done
Dec 08 00:08:23 <rwhitby> ird: did you set a root password?
Dec 08 00:08:42 <dBsooner> i like how23 just assumed "there have been a lot of returns/defects" even though the bounce rate/return rate of the Pre has NEVER been discoled.
Dec 08 00:08:46 <dBsooner> disclosed.
Dec 08 00:08:55 <ird> rwhitby: yes
Dec 08 00:09:58 <ird> rwhitby:  I followed the instructions you gave me the other day from the wiki.
Dec 08 00:10:14 <dBsooner> PreGame: HA! So the user can't re-download their App's from the AC?
Dec 08 00:10:21 <rwhitby> ird: openssh wiki page has been updated since
Dec 08 00:10:30 <dBsooner> because losing their "backup" causes the app to get deleted from the AC too?
Dec 08 00:10:49 <PreGame> i know!
Dec 08 00:11:27 <PreGame> the backup system NEVER backed up app catalog downloads, it merely stored in your profile what applications you downloaded and "REDOWNLOADS" them upon a backup
Dec 08 00:11:34 <ird> rwhitby: since a few days ago?
Dec 08 00:11:40 <ird> You said it was update then :p
Dec 08 00:11:54 <ird> updated*
Dec 08 00:11:56 <Abyssul> Does the gameboy rom play GBA games?
Dec 08 00:12:01 <PreGame> i need to figure this damn git thing out
Dec 08 00:12:22 <ird> PreGame: I miss my flashlight.
Dec 08 00:12:30 <dBsooner> PreGame: Why did the guy wait a WHOLE DAY to go back to the sprint store?
Dec 08 00:12:32 <rwhitby> PreGame: on windows?
Dec 08 00:12:43 <rwhitby> PreGame: http://gitcasts.com/posts/git-on-windows
Dec 08 00:13:07 <dBsooner> PreGame:  I think if I opened my pre and sync'd my profile on my way home and my stuff was gone, iw ould turn right back around and go back in
Dec 08 00:13:39 <PreGame> yep, and sprint IS able to move data to a pre
Dec 08 00:13:54 <PreGame> they have to convert to blackberry first then from the blackberry convert to palm pre
Dec 08 00:14:21 <ird> They moved the contacts from my LG Rumor just fine :p
Dec 08 00:14:32 <dBsooner> Yeah, I do it every day.
Dec 08 00:14:48 <PreGame> they moved data from my treo to pre just fine
Dec 08 00:14:53 <dBsooner> seems like the suit should be filed against that sprint store
Dec 08 00:15:10 <PreGame> he should sue himself for being a douche
Dec 08 00:15:13 <mobgod> dBsooner quick ? for u or whoever to add a user do we use adduser or useradd or does the os support both?
Dec 08 00:15:17 <dBsooner> rofl
Dec 08 00:15:17 <zsoc> PreGame: no a douchenozzle
Dec 08 00:15:26 <PreGame> sorry
Dec 08 00:15:37 <PreGame> zsoc, thought you were leaving?
Dec 08 00:15:38 <dBsooner> mobgod: just do adduser
Dec 08 00:16:24 <mobgod> dBsooner adduser user pass or do i set the permissions
Dec 08 00:16:29 <mobgod> also
Dec 08 00:16:31 <zsoc> PreGame: i was leaving the trolls in #webos :P
Dec 08 00:16:33 <ird> I give up on ssh today.
Dec 08 00:16:52 <ird> only 5 more hours until the fun begins...
Dec 08 00:18:30 <mobgod> dBsooner just want to no if its basic
Dec 08 00:18:48 <dBsooner>  what do you mean basic?
Dec 08 00:19:05 <dBsooner> just do 'adduser <username>'
Dec 08 00:19:22 <dBsooner> and if it doesn't ask for a password.. do 'passwd <username>'
Dec 08 00:19:47 <mobgod> adduser blah -d /home/blah -p blah?
Dec 08 00:19:59 <dBsooner> that would work too
Dec 08 00:20:10 <rwhitby> ird: any messages in /var/log/messages when you try and connect?  what does ssh -v say?
Dec 08 00:21:00 <mobgod> ok thanks
Dec 08 00:21:05 <dBsooner> np
Dec 08 00:21:13 <mobgod> deluser still work
Dec 08 00:21:26 <dBsooner> should, but haven't tried
Dec 08 00:21:27 <mobgod> or is it userdel?
Dec 08 00:21:39 <mobgod> ok i will look into it
Dec 08 00:21:44 <mobgod> thanks bbl
Dec 08 00:21:55 <dBsooner> i webosdoctor too much to try it
Dec 08 00:22:09 <dBsooner> speaking of which.. egaudet: how was the Sprint store?
Dec 08 00:22:09 <mobgod> dBsooner i have 5 pres
Dec 08 00:22:33 <mobgod> do u want one
Dec 08 00:22:41 <mobgod> i fried the chip lol
Dec 08 00:22:53 <mobgod> on one
Dec 08 00:22:59 <dBsooner> Just what I want! A paperweight pre!
Dec 08 00:23:00 <dBsooner> :D
Dec 08 00:23:07 <mobgod> lmfao
Dec 08 00:23:09 <egaudet> dBsooner, "it will take at least 1 hour to repair"
Dec 08 00:23:17 <egaudet> me: "I hate you all, bye"
Dec 08 00:23:24 <dBsooner> they really said that?
Dec 08 00:23:32 <egaudet> they wanted to give to technician yea
Dec 08 00:23:38 <dBsooner> Did you say, "You can't REPAIR pre's.. you're not allowed to open it"
Dec 08 00:23:40 <mobgod> for what?
Dec 08 00:23:49 <mobgod> repair what
Dec 08 00:23:55 <dBsooner> Sprint Repair centers CANNOT repair a pre.
Dec 08 00:24:00 <egaudet> they said they had to repair it with a technician 3 times before sending for a replacement
Dec 08 00:24:01 <dBsooner> all they can do is Replace it.
Dec 08 00:24:17 <mobgod> repair what i'm curious
Dec 08 00:24:20 <dBsooner> egaudet: You really need to find a new store.
Dec 08 00:24:27 <egaudet> yea I'll never go to that one again
Dec 08 00:24:30 <dBsooner> mobgod: his pre is stupified
Dec 08 00:24:39 <mobgod> dBsooner really
Dec 08 00:24:42 <rwhitby> mobgod: do you have a dead Pre?
Dec 08 00:24:46 <mobgod> yes
Dec 08 00:24:48 <mobgod> u want it
Dec 08 00:24:52 <rwhitby> qwerty keyboard?
Dec 08 00:24:54 <dBsooner> rwhitby: wants to take it apart I bet
Dec 08 00:25:00 <dBsooner> he wants the keyboard
Dec 08 00:25:00 <dBsooner> lol
Dec 08 00:25:13 <mobgod> rwhitby na
Dec 08 00:25:13 <rwhitby> mobgod: I want it
Dec 08 00:25:19 <mobgod> think i fried the chip
Dec 08 00:25:37 <mobgod> i've tried everything wont even power on anymore
Dec 08 00:25:40 <rwhitby> mobgod: "na" = "nah, not qwerty" or "na" = "north america" ?
Dec 08 00:25:53 <dBsooner> 1 billion dollar shipment to AU
Dec 08 00:26:24 <mobgod> na means the keyboard is fine
Dec 08 00:26:40 <dBsooner> no, he wants to know if it is a QWERTY keyboard
Dec 08 00:26:49 <rwhitby> mobgod: US or EU Pre ?
Dec 08 00:26:51 <dBsooner> to replace his QWERTZ keyboard
Dec 08 00:26:52 <mobgod> US
Dec 08 00:26:56 <mobgod> sorry
Dec 08 00:34:01 * mobgod bbl all
Dec 08 00:35:37 <rwhitby> mobgod: thx
Dec 08 00:35:51 * rwhitby is going to do some keyboard swapping experiments
Dec 08 00:36:23 <dBsooner> lol.. should be interesting
Dec 08 00:36:35 <dBsooner> fire up the good old solder
Dec 08 00:36:45 <dBsooner> egaudet: you back to 1.2.1 yet?
Dec 08 00:36:55 <egaudet> no
Dec 08 00:37:01 <egaudet> I'm trying one last time to chat palm
Dec 08 00:37:03 <egaudet> insanity I know
Dec 08 00:37:11 <dBsooner> egaudet: Grrr.. after that?
Dec 08 00:37:19 <egaudet> yea
Dec 08 00:39:57 <dBsooner> Ndamukong Suh for Heisman!! He's da shiznet! That would be soo cool to see a Defensive Tackle win the Heisman. He's one fo the 5 finalists headed to New York
Dec 08 00:46:19 <egaudet> sooners are bad
Dec 08 00:47:39 <sugardave> egaudet: yay!
Dec 08 00:51:56 <dBsooner> huh?
Dec 08 00:51:59 <dBsooner> He's not a Sooner..
Dec 08 00:52:06 <dBsooner> He's a Nebraska Cornhusker..
Dec 08 00:56:41 <egaudet> I just wanted to let you know that
Dec 08 00:56:44 <egaudet> sooners are bad
Dec 08 00:58:11 <egaudet> hey when did 1.3.1 update come out?
Dec 08 00:58:15 <egaudet> anyone remember date
Dec 08 00:59:19 <rwhitby> webos versions wiki page should have it
Dec 08 01:01:17 <egaudet> ahh yes nice
Dec 08 01:09:46 <lingfish> oh god.... some dipshit is suing Palm and Sprint over the data loss crap
Dec 08 01:10:01 <lingfish> Yeah, great idea idiot, hammer an already-barely-floating company...
Dec 08 01:11:15 <lingfish> The suit charges Palm and Sprint, as well as 50 unnamed individuals, with breach of contract, negligence and violation of three California business laws.
Dec 08 01:11:20 <lingfish> What a bonehead
Dec 08 01:11:24 <lingfish> 50?!?!?
Dec 08 01:14:46 <oc80> whats good.
Dec 08 01:15:07 <rwhitby> oc80: AUPT
Dec 08 01:15:26 <oc80> sweet.
Dec 08 01:16:22 <oc80> what a challenge
Dec 08 01:16:48 <oc80> how is that done??
Dec 08 01:17:26 <ird> magic
Dec 08 01:22:23 <egaudet> what's the recovery bootie method?  battery out, up volume key, plug in usb?
Dec 08 01:22:33 <egaudet> (damn doctor never can pick up my phone)
Dec 08 01:24:15 <rwhitby> egaudet: on the recovery wiki page :-)
Dec 08 01:25:07 <egaudet> got it
Dec 08 01:25:25 <egaudet> keep forgetting wiki search working good now
Dec 08 01:33:26 <Abyssul> How the heck do you get out of the NES gameplay lol
Dec 08 01:34:58 <zsoc> close it? Luna should start automagically
Dec 08 01:35:05 <Abyssul> how do you close it lol
Dec 08 01:35:33 <Abyssul> hmmm sym worked
Dec 08 01:35:37 <Abyssul> I mean orange key
Dec 08 01:35:55 <Abyssul> screen isnt proportional though :\ but playable
Dec 08 01:36:13 <oc80> *sigh* was on harvard universitys wifi access friend gave the l/p now having issues
Dec 08 01:38:58 <oil> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2083431#post2083431
Dec 08 01:39:01 <oil> dBsooner does!
Dec 08 01:39:24 <Abyssul> Rofl
Dec 08 01:49:07 <zsoc> Mark Coleran is my sworn enemy
Dec 08 01:50:38 <Eguy> I thought I was?
Dec 08 01:51:09 <rwhitby> Eguy: you're too friendly to be anyone's enemy
Dec 08 01:51:15 <Eguy> LOL
Dec 08 01:51:23 <zsoc> Eguy: besides, are you mark Coleran?
Dec 08 01:51:34 <Eguy> Well of course I am
Dec 08 01:51:40 <zsoc> crap
Dec 08 01:51:41 <zsoc> I hate you
Dec 08 01:51:47 <Eguy> I was kidding :P
Dec 08 01:51:50 <zsoc> oh
Dec 08 01:51:57 <zsoc> unfortunate
Dec 08 02:01:21 <egaudet> dBsooner, 1.2.1 restarting
Dec 08 02:02:21 <dBsooner> egaudet: awesome.. want me to do it too?
Dec 08 02:02:40 <dBsooner> egaudet: but I still have other "things" i need to do for "something that is coming"
Dec 08 02:02:57 <dBsooner> and I really need my phone in its current "state" to do that.
Dec 08 02:03:06 <dBsooner> wow.. how "vaguely specific" can I be?
Dec 08 02:03:07 <egaudet> it would be good to have another do it as well, but up to you
Dec 08 02:04:33 <egaudet> if you want to finish the futuristic stuff first that's cool
Dec 08 02:05:08 <dBsooner> well, if I do 1.2.1 now and isntall a bunch of patches, OTA update.. and everything goes 'to plan'.. do you think we can mass_ver_bump?
Dec 08 02:05:35 <dBsooner> if me doing it as well as you and neither of us see problems, would it be ready?
Dec 08 02:05:52 <egaudet> no
Dec 08 02:05:52 <egaudet> well in the upgrade branch
Dec 08 02:05:52 <Abyssul> Is there a way to extend the amount of time the pre's screen turns on when you receive a text msg?
Dec 08 02:05:55 <dBsooner> oil: Aye.. I set that. :D
Dec 08 02:06:25 <dBsooner> egaudet: huh?
Dec 08 02:06:42 <egaudet> huh huh
Dec 08 02:06:58 <dBsooner> egaudet: What I am getting to: which is more important?
Dec 08 02:07:17 <dBsooner> egaudet: Me doctoring and doing what your doing..
Dec 08 02:07:30 <dBsooner> egaudet: Will that speed up the release of the AUPT?
Dec 08 02:07:42 <egaudet> probably
Dec 08 02:07:45 <dBsooner> egaudet: If it doesn't, then I will continue my futuristic stuff.
Dec 08 02:07:59 <dBsooner> egaudet: Then I am firing up doctor now
Dec 08 02:08:05 <rwhitby> egaudet: I'll probably do an AUPT test doctoring too
Dec 08 02:08:06 <dBsooner> where the hck did I put 1.2.1 doctor..
Dec 08 02:08:20 <dBsooner> What?
Dec 08 02:08:37 <dBsooner> AUPT test doctoring = ?
Dec 08 02:08:53 <rwhitby> going back to 1.2.1 and OTA forward
Dec 08 02:09:02 <dBsooner> I was going to do that
Dec 08 02:09:12 <rwhitby> good, the more the merrier
Dec 08 02:09:14 <dBsooner> so we could have 2 do it
Dec 08 02:09:31 <dBsooner> rwhitby: My question was: Is it more important for me to do THAT tonight.. or to continue my "updates"
Dec 08 02:09:46 <rwhitby> I won't get to it for 8 hours
Dec 08 02:10:00 <dBsooner> I'll go ahead and do the doctor then
Dec 08 02:10:10 <rwhitby> need to add another 4GB to my MBP this arvo
Dec 08 02:10:11 <dBsooner> as I currently have 125 "updates" done
Dec 08 02:10:24 <dBsooner> ~dict arvo
Dec 08 02:10:27 <infobot> could not find definition for arvo
Dec 08 02:10:33 <dBsooner> silly aussies
Dec 08 02:11:00 <dBsooner> infbot: You from Australlia?
Dec 08 02:11:14 <egaudet> awesome rwhitby I agree the more the merrier :D
Dec 08 02:12:01 <egaudet> dBsooner, IMO the porting is secondary to this
Dec 08 02:12:22 <dBsooner> Good.. cuz porting is boring
Dec 08 02:12:22 <egaudet> if we had to decide today to have one done and leave the other for the next update, I think we'd all choose AUPT
Dec 08 02:12:40 <rwhitby> yep
Dec 08 02:24:05 <Abyssul> Anyone have a answer to my question for where to look?
Dec 08 02:25:20 <rwhitby> hmm - the lawsuit guy has a company: http://www.beendo.com/beendo/index.jsp
Dec 08 02:25:54 * zsoc ddos's the domain
Dec 08 02:26:12 <zsoc> I suppose since this logged I should follow that up with the comment that it was a joke and I'm not actually doing or going to do that.
Dec 08 02:26:27 <egaudet> rwhitby, non-zero return value from postinst indicates failure ? or negative only?
Dec 08 02:26:40 <rwhitby> egaudet: non-zero
Dec 08 02:31:01 <dBsooner> rwhitby
Dec 08 02:31:34 <dBsooner> that lawsuit guys website somewhat indicates the lawsuit guy MIGHT know a enough about cloud storage to not trust them?
Dec 08 02:32:20 <ivanst> anyone know off the top of their head where the browser stores it's bookmarks?
Dec 08 02:34:08 <dBsooner> egaudet: 1.2.1 is currently flashing..
Dec 08 02:44:13 <Smubeht> dBsooner think packers can shutout ravens?
Dec 08 02:44:24 <dBsooner> no
Dec 08 02:44:28 <dBsooner> you have no chance
Dec 08 02:44:30 <Smubeht> =)
Dec 08 02:44:33 <Smubeht> im tied up 113-113
Dec 08 02:44:38 <Smubeht> cuz of the fumble and the int
Dec 08 02:44:45 <dBsooner> N Suh for Heisman!
Dec 08 02:44:51 <Smubeht> and if pakcers score his score drops for ravens def
Dec 08 02:44:54 <Smubeht> he has ray rice and ravens
Dec 08 02:44:57 <Smubeht> i have packers def
Dec 08 02:45:03 <Smubeht> i think i can do it if they have a good game
Dec 08 02:45:04 <Smubeht> lol
Dec 08 02:45:08 <Smubeht> fumble td would rock
Dec 08 02:45:29 <Smubeht> if packers can score like 35 pts im happy
Dec 08 02:45:35 <Smubeht> 35-0
Dec 08 02:45:38 <Smubeht> ideal situation for me
Dec 08 02:45:41 <Smubeht> =)
Dec 08 02:45:52 <dBsooner> brb
Dec 08 02:50:04 <dBsooner> egaudet: where you at in the procesS?
Dec 08 02:50:08 <oc80> hmm
Dec 08 02:50:43 <oc80> i dont like gb, or their fans.
Dec 08 02:50:59 <oc80> and i dont like maryland, or their laws.
Dec 08 02:51:29 <Smubeht> oh dont get me wrong i could care less for either team
Dec 08 02:51:32 <Smubeht> but fantasy is fantasy
Dec 08 02:51:32 <Smubeht> =P
Dec 08 02:51:35 <oc80> :D
Dec 08 02:51:39 <oc80> points is points
Dec 08 02:51:42 <Smubeht> =)
Dec 08 02:51:52 <Smubeht> and now im winning 113-110
Dec 08 02:51:54 <Smubeht> =)
Dec 08 02:52:03 <Smubeht> time for packers defense to step it up and get more more pts
Dec 08 02:52:41 <Smubeht> need ray rice to be useless ravens to be useless and packers to rape on defense
Dec 08 02:53:05 <Smubeht> btw guys i cant install the wrap pagers patch it comes up with an error..is there something going on with it?
Dec 08 02:54:45 <egaudet> dBsooner, i'm installing patches from testing feed
Dec 08 02:55:15 <dBsooner> egaudet: did you happen to use my preware-bootstrap.sh to install preware/ipkgservice?
Dec 08 02:55:29 <egaudet> no
Dec 08 02:55:36 <dBsooner> ang
Dec 08 02:55:40 <dBsooner> s/ang/dang/
Dec 08 02:55:41 <infobot> dBsooner meant: dang
Dec 08 02:56:08 <egaudet> sowwy
Dec 08 02:57:08 <egaudet> i'm only going to install like 20-40 random patches
Dec 08 02:57:13 <egaudet> maybe only 20
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